Well first i wanna thank you for putting things out on the table and cleaning the air.

UGH. :(

We can only hope that Serato Video is SO awesome that it makes Mix Emergency obsolete. Otherwise, this development will alienate a LARGE chunk of Video DJs using Serato. :(

Does this mean the new Rane sixty-one and sixty-two mixers will only work on 2.4 and above?

yep

What if the release is buggy?

Not being able to record in als is a HUGE problem! I mix for 2 radio stations and record in als. all the time. This is gonna make a negative impact on my workflow. I don't understand this change. This is the only reason I haven't made the move to Traktor. Can you maybe explain the reasoning of this a little more in depth.

The sad thing is I own a 57 and an sl3 and I have already made a deposit on the 62. Looks like I better go get my money back!

Will Video be able to record?

The reasoning seems simple. For every sale that Inklen makes with MixEmergency, that's one less sale that that Serato makes with Video-SL or now Serato Video. I'm actually surprised Serato let this go on as long as they did and didn't close that door sooner.

Damn I love Serato for audio, love ME for the video, and love Rane for the hardware, and now I'm like a kid witnessing his parents divorce, and I'm torn in the middle.

I will but Serato video 5 times if Im allowed to use Mix emergency.

and that NOT an exaggeration in one iota.

Reading between the lines it looks like Ableton are removing as much baggage as they can before the release of 9. It would be a wise move after the trainwreck of bugs that Live 8 was.

Maybe mixtape will come back once they've released Live 9 and are done with the debugging? Less to go wrong during the launch? Or maybe the release of Live 9 takes care of the Mixtape feature in a newer, better way?

Its fun to speculate, but not fun knowing you're trapped with an older version of Scratch Live for... ever.

@videodjq I could care less about the video aspect. Im only talking about the mixtape feature.

so dont update and continue to use ME

Wow,I don't know why you guys would do that to so many loyal djs. Now I guess I can wait for Mix Emergency to be compatible with Traktor. Hopefully serato video will finally be on the level as M.E. if so I will stay...I just have to wait & see I guess.

Im sure mix emergency will find a way around this in the next release.

... Maybe the removal of Mixtape was due to it being a colab feature between Serato and Ableton

Maybe Serato have worked out a way to do it without Ableton - so Mixtape will no longer be around, but something new in its place that works with other DAW's is about to arrive?

i feel a break up between abelton coming

Hate to say it but Serato is going to lose a lot of loyal users due to the ME thing and piss alot of Ableton license owners that paid how much for mixtape function. #SOPA (Serato Against People with Ableton)

now thats clever right there...lmfao!

BTW.... this is gonna be the hotted discussion for a minute

hotted =hottest

Lol i mean opposes not against

Wheres dj eloy ?
Paging Eloy
........Eloy.......Eloy

I'll tell you one thing, there is no break up going on between us and Ableton.

there goes the sales for the mixer

I smell a Live 9 conspiracy...

NICE!!!!!

Good, Brigid, respect for coming on here and clearing things up as they develop. :) i always have faith in you guys.

dropping support for, i mean BLOCKING support to, MixEmergency is a big issue here. every single top tier Video DJ in the game uses and endorses MixEmergency as a superior product to VSL / Serato Video. by alienating your professional customer base as a trade off to allow some itch users to now be able to spin video is going to cause major uproar in the community... Serato had 2 years of no updates to VSL to come out with a kick-ass new program when they launched Serato Video. with no major developments over time, and MixEmergency STILL leagues ahead of Serato Video, Serato has effectively spit in the face of professional video DJs.

the only major video DJ competition in the world, the WMC VJ Battle, is proof of the professional users that support mix emergency. EVERY SINGLE DJ who placed did their set using MixEmergency.

trying to force a top-down, apple like ecosystem for your product make sense, IF your product is launched in an enclosed ecosystem and works better than the competition... but you can't just convert a shit product into a closed ecosystem after it's been launched for several years.

this is my first rant, and will not be my last.

expect to be hearing from the rest of the guys soon enough.

#SOPA (Serato Against People with Ableton) <---- Thats mad funny!

AND FUCK SERATO FOR KILLING ME SUPPORT!

I'm fine using an older version of Scratch just to continue using ME. It just sucks that I pre-ordered a sixty already and was so looking forward to playing on it :-(

to quote some video dudes you might have heard of.

"Mix Emergency has changed the way I video DJ. With easy to use amazing effects and also the random transition mode, it has helped me take less time out of thinking about what effects to use, and use more of that time into concentrating on my mixes." - DJ Phlipz

"Mix Emergency has taken my live sets to the next level. From effects to transitions to customizability, Mix Emergency really has it all. It's also extremely stable... I'm glad I made the switch!" - Brett B

"Mix Emergency allows me to focus primarily on the audio of my sets without the use of repetitive transitions." - DJ Yona

"The ability to record my sets in Mix Emergency has been a blessing..." - DJ Ice

"The latest feature I can't live without is Syphon support. Mix Emergency's ability to utilize programs like Mad Mapper and Resolume Avenue has opened so many creative possibilities for me." - g-force

"Mix Emergency is the PREMIER software for Video DJs. I am constantly recommending it to other Video DJs who haven't made the switch." - DJ SteveR

"Hands down, Mix Emergency is the most stable software, as well as more consumer focused - from customization of transitions and effects to midi functions and mapping." - DJ DEFT

"Mix Emergency's flexibility and options make it the best piece of software available to Video DJs. It allows complete customization and my video sets have changed dramatically since I started using it. Nick, the software developer, continually adds features and plugins to keep things fresh, and has really listened to what the Video DJ community wants from a video program." - C.FLO

Lets keep it real for a minute. Serato knew that ME had them beat ages ago. The studied thr competition and came out with the new video plug in. lets see if they did their homework and beat ME and made a better product

All I want to know before purchase of the new hardware is does it support time code for software other than serato as it has been advertised with a multi channel soundcard...would love to use this Mixer with several different types of DVS timecodes that would solve my mixer juggling problems between the 57sl and Pioneer DJM T1

fuck it, i'm on 1.9.2 anyway, it's not like i would have upgraded to 2.4 even if it DID Have ME support...........

come out with a good, stable piece of software, that doesn't crash or rewrite tags during a live set, and doesn't DROP features it used to have. maybe then i'd consider buying a new piece of rane hardware. (pioneer 800 + SL1 still kicks ass)

doesn't impact me, but thanks!

now release 2.4!!!

fuck it, i'm on 1.9.2 anyway, it's not like i would have upgraded to 2.4 even if it DID Have ME support...........

come out with a good, stable piece of software, that doesn't crash or rewrite tags during a live set, and doesn't DROP features it used to have. maybe then i'd consider buying a new piece of rane hardware. (pioneer 800 + SL1 still kicks ass)

this will mark the first time since the TTM52i and mp24z that I did not buy,or Recommend for my Install jobs, the latest and greatest Rane mixer....
Ive owned every one, installed every one... demanded everyone in riders...

not making it backwards compatible, and nixing ME support.

I love you to death Rane, I will always refer to your products as the best sounding, best presented, most user efficient product with unrivaled tech support to the DJ community.

but your partner is throwing you under the bus here.... get em in check please.
Your loyal customers and devout following are begging.

I see a lot of you QUEENS are bitching about how bad Serato Video is...

When was it released again?

See from that makes me feel something big is coming! You guys was at NAMM 2012 not saying nothing about Bridge or any Serato features for that matter. I think Ableton is gonna release the backward spin for the Bridge and fyi to those of you who don't know Ableton can edit video sooooo ME may not be supported for something just like it or better! As for mix tape that may get a new name and feature!

lol I love the "outrageous" demands and threats that people are making.

Bottom line is that ME is a third party company that was costing Serato money. I would have killed them years ago if it were me. And not picking on ME, cause I think it is a terrific product...but that is just the way business is done. Serato has every right to block them, change their code, whatever they want to do.

I noticed that Nick has just said that ME 2.0 is out around March 1st...why don't we all see what happens over the next 45 days before threatening the internet wrath of death on everyone.



Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy.

serato.com

nuff said.

unless their the first company in the history of existence to not highlight the hot new features of a release....
your looking at it.

hahaha wait.. I gotta go make some popcorn real quick. After the "queens" and "classy" comments this shit is about to get good LOL

Explain plz

I'm glad I didn't get a 62 and Serato has every right to restrict any 3rd party apps.
Do I endorse it, hell fuck no.
I'm keeping my 57 and 2.2 until something else comes along.

Hopefully Inklen is hard at work to get ME to work with 2.4, but it doesn't matter to me as 2.2 and my 57 are all I need.

weerd

But when it comes to bootleg Control records Serato only releases limited prints and the bootlegers thrive....ps i dont own any bootleg control records just a point

I knew this was coming for a while (not knew from sources, but felt it) and confirmed it today.

Anyone who pre-ordered a 62 and is a video dj better send them back.

Because everybody uses ME...

damn glad i didn't dive right into the 62...for once being broke paid off! :-D

Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.
Wasnt sure if this was a statement or question.

@ Brigid will we still be able to run SSL 2.3.3 along with 2.4 and share the same _Serato_ folder?

Im asking for those that use the Mixtape feat, to keep 2.3.3 for recording & 2.4 for gig use.

I think there might be a few people on this forum jumping the gun a bit

Nobody knows if Serato Video is bad or good yet, it could be that they've bought the ME code and rebadged it for all we know

Also, I think some of you forget that this is Serato - the company that put a video game inside the software and hides new features from us to find in the form of Easter Eggs every now and then. Surely they wouldnt be so harsh as to remove these features without having something to replace them up their sleeves? ...Right?

I agree on jumping the gun comment, but they need to clarify what they are doing so people dont begin jumping ship....

And not buying the 62 mixers which hurt Rane....

Stop making this so personal "VJ Justin Allen"

I am not going to waste my time with you man!

Damm right Puma..I KEEPING MY 2.2 ALSO AND MY 57

How arrogant are you??

I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do. Oh, and I have been doing video for the last 8 years and listening to everyone say that ME is the only way you can video rock your crowd is truly pathetic. If that's the case just quit your residency now...

I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.

We live in an entitlement society.

All these people thinking they are entitled to everything their hearts desire with no regards to anything else.

Wish people would take a step back and look at how ridiculous they sound before they post a rant on the internet.

go team Serato (and Rane of course)

Blocking ME support would be acceptable if Serato Video was up to par with it or more advanced, however it isn't. I'll have to agree with C.Flo, this is a huge step back for video DJs.

come on guys...

we arent talking about speculation here.

this was an OFFICIAL PRODUCT RELEASE from serato.
we've seen all the videos from namm for weeks now.

what company in their right might would let a program with 2 years of hibernation
have a press release that DIDNT have the newest features?
what company would goto a show like namm and now show off their new hotness.

easter eggs are one thing, little bells and whistles are another.
but if you look at the last 1/2 decade of press release for every product people have specualted up UNTIL the press release...
so the press release is done, NAMM is done....
history has shown that this company has been relatively straight to the point with
its press releases.

I would love to believe that somehow theres a rabbit in the hat. but history dictates otherwise... and those who dont learn from history; are damned to repeat it.

Well seeing as how most video dj's I know or that are high up in the game use ME. I don't hear smashvidz saying use VSL.
Not arrogant if it's correct.

So as a loyal serato customer, put yourself in the spot of Serato and losing all the Serato/ME customers.....its not a good thing, and yea Serato Video may be amazing and better, but they have to clarify whats really going on so people dont jump ship prematurely.

curious about what u can do with VSL that ME cant do?????

The more I thought about the mix tape feature not being there on 2.4 the more I can to realize that it won't bother me that much. I can always keep 2.3.3 and use the mix tape feature there and use 2.6 with my sixty two. I'm really excited about video as well , I never used ME at all so I can't comment of how I feel about not being supported on 2.4 but what I will say is that it is about time Serato did something about it.

As far as I know the bridge will still work with 2.4 just not mix tape, like I mentioned before, this is something that I can live with until the issues get resolved. I never did care much for Live feed...

Go Serato, Rane & Ableton.

Its out in March? How stupid do you feel now?

For REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn. I use ME and I just pre-ordered a 62. If what you say is true, i will be sending that shit back. I'll keep using my TTM 57, SSL 2.3.3 and ME until i have arthritis.

Joshua Carl - Heard of Musik Messe?

There is more to life than NAMM.

Wow!

Nope... i always goto the WMC that week...

Regardless, my point was, there is more than one trade show to release new gear each year - a couple of NAMM's, a BPM, PLASA, MusikMesse...

Maybe they thought releasing 2 new mixers was enough for the press in January and have saved the next phase of promo for the next big conference (MusikMesse)

Nope. Serato video is vsl with a new name and new code.
SSDD
same serato different day

and there's the MixMove early march too

Im sure this isnt entirely true

hahaha... it's so funny how quick ME users are to let you know that ME is a stand alone program and doesn't need Scratch Live whenever you point out that ME needs SL but as soon as ME gets blocked form working with SL they lose their fuc*ing minds. hahaha

DAT SHYT CRAY (kanye voice)

+10000000.99

and serato will be there!
musik.messefrankfurt.com

work with new versions of scratch live hahahaha j/k
=)
I couldn't resist.

That was funny lmao

^^^Lol

not funny; but very true indeed; thats the only thing it can do Wiz

c'mon Res... you know that shit was funny! =)

You'll be able to look back on it one day and laugh.

Just for arguments sake lets bring in dicetools....now thats free so its ok? Right?

My system is different because when I purchased Serato and VSL it was not the first time I had ever done video. I use Modul8, Edirol V4's and distribution amps to handle VSL output, lower thirds and flying graphics, customized logos, live twitter feeds, 3 camera feeds, and just about anything else I can think of.

Yes, it is more equipment and costs more that ME does...but I already had it...and I just kept using it. I love the transitions and some of the other features that ME has over VSL....but it will not "get me fired" or "embarrass me" nor will the customers ever notice if I don't have any of the extra stuff.

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. The bottom line however, for me, is that the AUDIO position of ScratchLive is more important than the video part. And even if I had nothing but Serato Video, and even if Serato Video was exactly like VSL...I wouldn't care.

Serato has taken a plug-in (VSL) that they have ignored for far too long, and re-wrote it from the ground up. SO sure, maybe it will be the same as VSL when it comes out...maybe it will be better...maybe it will be the second coming of video software...I don;t care. Serato is FINALLY showing some love to their video plug-in and I honestly believe that no matter how it looks when it is released...with 6 months it will be vastly improved!

yes it was funny you're right, but my comment saying "thats the only thing it can do" is even funnier :-)

Ok I'll try and tackle this the best I can.

Mix Emergency is not our product. We understand that our customers are also Mix Emergency customers, which is why this is a tough situation for us. Inklen are the best people to talk to about this, and they're aware of the situation.

Video-SL/Serato Video is our product. We understand that some of our customers are frustrated with the lack of new features and updates for Video-SL and we're going to be working hard this year to turn that around.

The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this.

Serato Video includes a big rewrite of the architecture behind it, which gives us the best possible foundation this year for development.


Come on guys, please don't read between the lines! :)

I'm trying to be as transparent as possible - I'm not trying to write a riddle for you to solve haha.

Yep, you can do this for sure - there are no library changes from 2.3.3 to 2.4, so you'll be sweet. Although 2.3.3 won't work with the new mixers, and we advise against running two versions of SSL or ITCH at the same time.

For example, you can play on 2.3.3 one night, and then DJ on 2.4 the next day, and not worry about any library compatibility issues.

I'm going back to VHS tapes

Brigid, just to be clear the new rane mixers will only be compatible with 2.4 and above?

Not in Serato Video 1.0.

Yes this is correct. This is the way it's worked for every new piece of hardware we've brought out.

Thanks Brigid for all of the updates.

thats already been confirmed here in the forums... forget where exactly.

"The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this." -quote

so, by that rational if Inklen can fix the "disconnect" problem on their end,
there should be no reason why it will no longer be supported right?

provided no effort, or resources are contributed to re-establishing the connect are
paid out of serato's pocket.

hey, if thats all it takes , Im happy with that.... i know Inklen will get it done.

Please spare us your nut swigging. Please spare us a pissing match contest. Please don't start the "I am such a good VJ". You have shown your (not only technical) incompetence multiple times on this forum, ESPECIALLY when it comes to VJING. I could start quoting all the technical nonsense you wrote on the forum and you still claim that you were right. PLEASE, don't.

There are a lot of competent VJs in here. They should be able to compare the pros and cons of VSL/SV and ME.

I trust the professional VJ's opinion like Eloy, Joshua Carl, Millz, Jay E, Jordan Laws, 2nd Nature, Puma, Joachim Garraud, DJ Cheeba... ;)

Nik, let me say this nice and clear as every time I post something you seem to take it as a personal attack on you....even when you have nothing to do with the discussion.

Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that.

way to stay classy

nik39, VJ Justin Allen:

Chill out you two. You're both adults, behave appropriately. I don't want to hear anymore from you two going on about each other in this thread.

My apologies to everyone else on this forum...however Nik is a complete dick and this is the end of his continued bullshit and misrepresentation of the facts.

funny how you blame one person for saying something (Eloy) and now you do the exact same thing to another one. very profesional imo

So if you have a 68 and 62 can you run the soon to be released 2.4

Yep, that's right.

Thanks for the info Brigid, I'll try to ask a harder question next time.

correct

cache.blippitt.com

sl1 still works with 2.4 correct?

BEFORE THIS TURNED INTO THE DOUBLE DOUCE FROM ROADHOUSE,

+1

Correct!

just checking im still rockin the 56 and sl1

You'll have to talk to Inklen about this one. Remember, ME was never supported by Serato.

This reminds me of when people hijack their iPhones and then BAM! Apple bricks them. lol

hahahahahaha Josh I love the popcorn clip! Me and KJ are cracking up at this shit!

Imagine if Adobe blocks Photoshop so that no one else can make Plugins for it. Than again, Apple did blocked Flash from their precious iPhone.

so lets take a break and group it all up. New mixers only work with 2.4 (NOT OUT YET). The new video plug in from serato will not be able to record your video mix. The _Serato_ folder is compatible with 2.3.3 and the up and coming 2.4 . ME is aware of the incompatibly with 2.4 .
Read between the lines to get the Easter eggs.

Well it looks like i will be cancelling my order for the new rane 62z also, i pre ordered on Feb 2nd
I will stick with my 57, 2.2, and ME and my dicers............

So Why is everybody complaining about there decision to cann ME. he stole money from them point blank. Inklen Worked for them and betrayed there trust if you ask me. What if a new dj was stealing your gigs every time you try and stay above water but he would go down on his price's to continue to beat your price. what would you do. Serato & Rane Did the right thing by doing what they did. Im sure pioneer or Traktor would of been shut down inklen if he was doing that to there video if they had one. If 500 people brought ME and never vsl that's 500 that could of went to R&D work. Your crying over there decision like it was never go happen. One reason Vsl hasn't had a updrade. Good Job Serato & Rane

guys this is pretty simple theoreticaly they have made the new serato video somehow to be similar with the serato intro from the busines point of view . if inklen agrees too pay an amount for every new me user / upgrader (from the last vesionto the new one) , then me will work with ssl 2.4 . my 2 cent .

yeah I don't even think this is an issue anymore as long as Serato is still willing to play nice with Inklen. (even though I really can't understand why they would)
Why doesn't Serato just partner up with Inklen and/or offer Nick a great opportunity with the company and call it a day?

Again, I don't see Adobe blocking developers from creating plugins that improve on their own. You know how many Photoshop plugins are there that improve on Adobe's own? A LOT!

Brigid, thanks for the update.

Honestly.. i can live with my 57SL and SSL2.3.3. I have my vsl licence so I will upgrade once you guys have caught up with mix emergency.

My only fear is that you guys have so many projects your working on currently. I dont know how big your dev team is, but where one project gets love, the other gets put on the back burner.. sometimes for long periods of time..

I think having that dedicated project team (ie inken yes i know unofficial) does relieve stress , unless you guys are going to have a dedicated team for vsl.

For one, no recording in serato video.. but its a feature already implemented in mix emergency. That being said, can we get a time frame for this? With this being the first release, can you tell us when were going to get another release?

Does this also coincide with the rebuild process for the new ssl which was mentioned before?

That does not even include projects like dj intro or itch which also need love too.

Also does not include members of your dev team who might drop for other jobs which could also delay projects..

cutting support for mix emergency, is like telling your customers "use this or go somewhere else", to which the response might be to go somewhere else..

im about to cancel my order for the 62Z and pick up a 900 nexus.. im not saying serato is bad but this whole new change is very strange, i truly hope it means that something better is coming out...

also, while typing this as i pressed post this plays on my pandora

"I'm listening to "Neither One Of Us (Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye)" by Gladys Knight & The Pips on Pandora"

weird signs huh...

The problem however is...where else are you going to go? Traktor does not do video and while there are a few other programs, most of them are either too new to have a good reputation...or they have a bad reputation.

This is just a change that had to be made.

just uncalled for!

for now, il stick to using me w/ ssl 2.3.3 until serato video can step its game up, or wait for someone else to come out with something.

Kind of obvious no?

Sorry, for sounding hard.... I was tearing down my equipment when I wrote this.

What I wanted to say:

You said that you can all this extra stuff on your setup which you can't do in ME. I haven't seen any video from you demonstrating this, whereas I have seen dope videos from the mentioned names backing up what they were able to do (in ME as well as in VSL, Joachim and Cheebar are VSL users). I'd like to see an example.

but you have to buy adobe for any plugin to work. if you dont have adobe what good is a plugin???? so with ME it went from needing vsl demo to work to nothing at all to get ME to work. So Serato rewrote the codes and check this. inklen dont work for them no more so he dont have the codes to start with now. unless serato give it to him.

"had" to made?
Was the state of the free world in jeopardy?

Nope. People's future walletts.

Please disregards my last post.

Sorry, I didn't see your post Michael. I won't interact with VJ Justin Allen in this thread.

You know whats FUCK UP! If you had to pay for these updates these forums would be so quiet. Most of you are complaining about shit thats free. IMHO let Serato do their thing! Brigid made it all clear. I will still order my 62 when its mass produced until then I'm dun cause all of you that are complaining are gonna be the same ones supporting Serato in the end!

Yup, Same here..I just told the club to order me a 62 and they agreed... guess i will be canceling that order too

Stick'n with what works with ME

or why doesn't Inklen and/or Nick try to partner up with Serato?

ummm.... they can't really "cut" support for ME when they never offered support for ME.. ME is NOT a Serato product nor is it endorsed, supported, approved, etc... from or by Serato

Hey Brigid, just to make sure... when you said:


... does this really mean that mixtape can't be used even on the 68 and 57 from SL 2.4 (and later) anymore?

No worries. You can interact, just keep the personal insults out of it. This thread is important and we don't want it locked as people need to have their say regarding all of this.

@djbigwiz

whaddup wiz, i worded it wrong obviously.. but you understood what i meant.. right?

Good luck trying to get the store to return your preorder money. I bet that will be a nightmare

This is more entertaining than american idols hollywood week.
Glad i never upgraded from 1.9.2

reminds me of ughh fiasco lol.. i use to order stuff all the time from them until.. yah and i never ordered from them again

Listen guys..... Software is VERY flexible. Inklen is gonna have an answer because THEY too are reading this ans see the demand for it. Be cool

This point is mute. Serato's ScratchLIVE isn't FREE, you paid for it when you bought the hardware.

Serato has admitted they neglected VSL and are committed to making a change. They have to know that not updating a product for that long open the door for a competitor

I think what he meant was Serato "had" or needed to make changes to their software/code to make it better, more stable, get rid of some bugs and issues and give it a better foundation for the future of the product which makes perfect sense.

They did not set out with a plan to make ME stop working... they had to re-wirte things to make them better for what Serato is doing for Serato and in that process, ME suffered but that is not the responsibility of Serato to a 3rd party product that is not officially supported or endorsed by them... that's just plain logic... to blame Serato for this is something only an idiot could do and I know you are smarter than that Josh. It's funny how everybody want's complain when there are bugs and issues and talk about jumping ship if they don't do something to fix it and when they do something to fix it, a lot of those same people want to bitch and complain about jumping ship because ME doesn't work any more and they shouldn't have tried to change it? Just plain as back asswards logic.

So inklen Has there new 2.4 and serato video code already. and dont work there. lmao this inklen is magical

This point is mute. Serato's ScratchLIVE isn't FREE, you paid for it when you bought the hardware.

Ok software that come with NI is bundled with the hardware as well! Try getting the newest Traktor FOR FREE!!!!!

so serato new found commitment to VSL and inklen fighting to stay relevant can only be good for us consumers!

"had" to made?
Was the state of the free world in jeopardy?

Nope. People's future walletts.

Change is good, indeed. I just hope it does not take another 2 or 3 years to come up with a Serato video 1.1 or 1.2. to only have features that are currently available in mix emergency.

what's up. Honestly, I thought you were thinking )or rather.. NOT thinking) like a lot of people around here that eem to think Serato owes something to ME which is utterly ridiculous to anyone with intelligence and common sense and can still apply those to issues that may not benefit them.
I see what you mean now but STILL... it doesn't really matter and is not the duty or responsibility of Setrato. You understand that right?
All Serato is doing here is trying to make THEIR product(s) better... what's wrong with that? Isn't that what people have been crying about so much lately?

Well mix emergency will not work with 2.4. So we are at the mercy of Serato for updates for video.

Now to look more on a positive aspect of this venture, video is going to support itch now (duuuh culprit!!) but that also means more attention will be put upon video, so maybe it will catch up rather quickly, which is good for the consumer.

That's pretty much how it works with MOST software companies. That's how they make money.

If they're minor updates, NI will give you the updates for free. If they're major, they will charge you a small fee for it. I've only had to pay a Traktor upgrade fee of $79 ONCE! And that was when I upgraded from Traktor 1 to Traktor 2. Upgrade fees have been NI's policy all along. Even Inklen is the same way. They posted on their board that ME 1.0 users will get 2.0 Free of charge, but, they will pay an upgrade fee for 2.1.

In all honesty, I think Serato should do the same. Maybe that will generate some more funds so they can hire more developers and we can get new & better toys. I wouldn't mind paying an upgrade fee.

i will ONLY care about this if Serato Video is better than Mix Emergency.
until then this hoopla and the new hardware is worth nothing to me.

So everybody complaining about ME But No one Know's what's in the serato video yet. remember Namm Is Not open to the public. I know if anyone of you guys were in serato shoe's and inklen was doing that to your business you would of shut him down to. Don't Lie. prime example look at technics 1200. was not a big revenue to keep it going so technic's been set out a goal to discontinue making it. I knew about this some 10 years ago cause my moms worked for panasonic/jvc/ now kenwood. the cdj's were killing them. and even with serato,vdj,Traktor, torq out its still was not enought to keep making them.

wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up thats 18 grand at dealer cost (1500 per unit) is Rane cool with this small loss?

@djbigwiz

i knew from the beginning that Serato owed nothing to inklen, thats for sure! Since mix emergency supported the sl1 before vsl could, which was a low blow in the beginning.

And no, there is nothing wrong with Serato supporting their products. It was never an open project for other people to add their own plugins to which is obviously a move for stability purposes.

We will just have to see what happens.

Yes, this is true for 2.4. I don't have any other information at the moment about this, but as soon as I do, I'll let you guys know.

For the small gigs, i went ahead and made the decision to get this

numarkns6.com

Since video will now support itch. I actually like this controller alot and cannot wait for video to support it!

But for SSL i will stick with mix emergency and my 57SL

I can tell you about 12 that's not even on the site that cant wait for the 62 to drop cause of the dual usb feature and thats there only concern. they could careless about it not supporting ME. and even the one's doing video dont even know about ME. think im playing go To the Game Sports Bar In Inglewood Ca on Tues, Wed, Thur, Friday & Sat and ask the dj what video plugin they run. Vsl They make it work. use yelp and search it and see the Replys of the customers there and see what they say about Video.

This was funny! Thank you to nik39 for clowning "Justin" and thank you to Res-Q for reminding "Justin" to "stay classy". Oh ya and thank you to Res-Q again to remind "Justin" that he clowned him self for saying:


LMFAO @ "Justin"

good I would hate Rane to get hurt die to Software snafus

due* not die

Ok so here is a rant about this topic. I use ME. Reason for this is I love the support and the cutting edge software. It is (IMHO) worlds apart from any other software solution i have tried. I know for a fact the BEST in the business as far a video dj'n use it as well. It's the features and support that keeps me here. It is surpassed by none once again (IMO). It's not a RANE issue here but more of the software that is not gonna support ME. Serato has dropped the ball with the video community as far as support and updates. I don't think they cre enough (IMO) about the video community. To say that they're releasing Serato Video now, c'mon man... Where have you been the last 4 years. I love serato audio and loved VSL. As a pro DJ/VJ we tend to use the best available. THE BEST USE THE BEST. PERIOD. If Serato wants to lock out ME so be it. I think they should have come to some sort of agreement to evolve together. It is what it is. I just won't move on. I'm fine where I'm at. Asfar as Serato Video being better than ME? I doubt it. But that's just me. I own both and prefer ME. Don't knock it unless you've tried both. I have done just that. And if you're serious about Video Dj'n you would choose what the BEST choose because it's simple the BEST.

I love comments like

"Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy. "

Then, the same CLASSY person says...

"No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

"Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that. "

Ha!!!!

WAY TO STAY CLASSY!!!!

lmao!!!!!

and remember guys it's not the hardware that doesn't support this it's the software

"My apologies to everyone else on this forum..."

Apology not accepted.

nm

lolololololololol...... LMFAO!!!

I did not make this but this is funny to me!

yfrog.com

... and back on topic...


I thought about buying a Sixty-Two but I was also thinking I should wait... which now I'm glad I went with that decision. I personally used VSL until a couple months ago because it did what I need it to do. I'm a simple man who mixes videos as if they were just audio and nothing more.

Having said that, I'm VERY HAPPY with 2.3 (whatever latest version I have) and ME and even VSL as my new MBP is not crashing or having any issues with any of the three mentioned above.

So, I will upgrade to the Sixty-Two when the dust settles. I still LOVE Rane products and Serato for that matter. So, keep on doing a good job... even if a little late at times. But, don't rush, I rather have reliability than all kinds of extra stuff with lots of issues.

Thanks guys.

and girls...

Yeah, let's keep it there please.

damn straight. if you don't know it's the best you "don't know."

hey tomato slice loooong time. where is nik at

where the party's at!!

This is all just a bit sad.

I've always had this image of Serato as a cool, slightly counter-culture company.

But cutting off ME straight is a real 'corporate' move.

Any other company, I would expect it. Business-wise it is logical. But I really felt that with Serato, the users came first.

I simply don't believe that is beyond the wherewithal of Serato to come up with a way to licence ME as a plugin. I just don't.

So this is a deliberate move which will piss off a lot of customers. Myself included.

A shame, I think.

so back on topic... the hardware will support whatever the software will allow.

which at this point bro, is only 2.4 and after for the new mixers (61/62)


ya know, maybe Ill get a 68.
I love Rane mixers. #defendtothedeath

Very disappointed in Serato & feel they are getting greedy. Mix Emergency was Serato's - Shelby for Ford. Inklen's plugin supercharged video for Serato. Serato hasn't done ANYTHING on the video side for TWO YEARS. All Serato is doing with this new Video plug is flipping a switch in the code, so it works with Itch. They wrote the code so that it should of been pretty easy. Giving it a new name was a good marketing scheme to think everyone is getting something new. For the Video DJ's that have been doing it for YEARS they want MORE FEATURES! Video DJ's don't want to be treated like it is a HOBBY for Serato. Many Video DJ's are using older versions of Scratch Live because it crashed running video. Please focus on Scratch Live and get it running stable. I would of loved to be at the Serato meeting when they decided to pull MIXTAPE out...

Inklen has worked with Video DJ's community to continually improve the product. Mix Emergency has so many advantage over Serato Video that it would take too much room to post them! I will follow what ever direction Inklen heads now.

This is why I didn't pre order a 62 until Serato confirmed that ME wouldn't work. I was on the fence anyways because 2 USB & glowing buttons doesn't justify the price increase. $100 for a Z-Trip label? They could of added one feature. I predict we will have to start using new vinyl with the update too!

I have been mixing music video before software made it possible...

we will certainly be covering each and every twist and turn on Video Report :)








cha-ching. (na...I dont see jack for the show)

yea, you said that 10 mins ago in your last post

sorry ,little lag there on the post

guess the forums are updating like VSL use to

Will Serato Video work with SL versions prior to 2.4?

I hate to disappoint you, but developing Video for ITCH was by no means "pretty easy".

Also, I WIIIISH there were switches in code ;)

"flipping a switch"
that's non-programmer talk for :

Nerd goes in room, bangs on keyboard comes back with results for user.
repeat, until users stops bitching.


on the other side of the coin people have eluded to the prolonged existence of a 3rd party
plugin like Mix Emergency could have been snuffed out with the" flick of a switch"
so, SSL users are inclined to things on the programming side are in fact; this easy.

Shout out to the PROFESSIONALS on here who know what they are talking about. We have some top notch video jocks and editors posting today (eloy, josh carl, c.flo, crush, puma, callen to name a few). Those who feel the need to bash and trash need to stop and drop the non-sense...chances are you spin their vidz and don't even know it. RESPECT the art and the artist...that includes you, SERATO.#Disappointed

OK so "Brigid" from Serato, if Inklen can make ME work with SSL 2.4 will you guys just change the code again?

Hot damn you guys can complain. Let me spell this out for those of you who don't understand why ME was cut off, because some of you are completely unreasonable with your expectations.

When you write custom software as complex as Scratch Live, the concept of a plugin isn't pre-built into the code base. In other words, just because the software exists doesn't mean it natively supports "plugins." Serato created Video-SL and had to develop a mechanism that would enable "plugins" to attach extra features to the core program. That mechanism has since become outdated and had to be re-programmed. Why? No idea, but I'm a software developer and poorly programmed software can add to your development time ten-fold.

Given that Mix Emergency relies on the old way of attaching plugins, ME will be incompatible with 2.4 which only supports the new way. There's absolutely no logical reason (other than to appease the complainers) to include support for the old plugin system as Serato has nothing to gain financially, they have a competing product with Serato Video, and it would be way too complicated to support both methods just so ME users could be happy.

More than likely ME will either come up with a licensing deal or they will find a way (or be told the way) to attach to the new system. If not, sucks for them.

And pure speculation on my part, but if Serato plans on combining Itch and Scratch Live in the future, it would only make logical sense to have one plugin that would automatically work with the combined software instead of maintaining two plugins now that would have to be re-written a third time for the new software.

DJ Callen - I'm sorry you feel this way. We didn't do this intentionally, it's just something that happened as we rebuilt the architecture.

As I've said before, we don't support ME and if Inklen made it work with 2.4, I can't guarantee any future changes would not affect it. We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!


My name is real and so am I! No need for the "" :)

yeah... I think we are all in agreement that the re-writting of code for the newer versions of serato video had nothing in them allowing mix emergency to work as it had in prior versions.

and why should, I dont think anyone will contest that Serato SHOULD develop their products with 3rd party software in mind.

I think what people want to REALLY know, if in fact the Inklen folks can make Mix emergency
work without infringing one iota on the Serato developmental resources in 2.4+ will Serato allow things to continue as they have thus far with the happy camp of devout users you have wrangled to date

Sorry Brigid, your response popped right as i hit enter.

I just wanted you to know the question was to you Brigid and not a general statement for some one to answer.

Next Question:

I mean lets get real here this is about money Brigid "I was a programer and still are" then why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Eloy Garcia just pm'ed me this:


I can honestly say to all of you right now, this is not about money. If it was a money issue, it would've come up a long time ago.

We simply need to allocate all our resources to developing on our own products.

Joshua Carl is willing to pay for 5 Serato Video Keys for ME to work

truth. ^^^^^

Ok Brigid, so dose that mean if is Inklen was to make a version of ME to with SSL 2.4+ and Itch you guys would not care about that?

If you guys do care then I would say:

why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Than every one makes money.....

what makes you think once VS gets up to speed, they wont get the 62 then?
Or if ME finds a way to work with SL?
Since when has has deciding to purchase a mixer been a one shot deal?
It's not like.... ok, if you change your mind, you can never order one again... this is it, one chance.
Plus.. do you really think all these people called in and cancelled their purchase since this thread started? I doubt they ALL did that

Callen, Eloy, Joshua, Puma...
not sure about you guys but "I just don't care."

sure it sucks but it ain't the end. we will keep playing just fine.
in fact this makes things easier. now i don't have to worry about new hardware and updates. are the new mixers that dope? do i need the newest serato? i have a solid basic setup to build on. i am good to go.




and whether it was on purpose that serato blacked them out? we will never really know. there will always be the conspiracy types. and maybe after 2.4 breaks inklen will have a fix and maybe serato will intentionally or unintentionally block it...bah, i will be fine.
and when has serato ever really given a straight answer to hypotheticals?

You are 100% correct
yeah... apparently that memo never made it to the VSL 1.2 meeting in February of 2010.
case that code hasnt changed Since then... and look at all this crap now. trouble

this coming from a DIE hard VSL user.
I used to put out videos just to shut the MixEmergency fanboys up!
now look what Ive become.

btw i did call my guitar center rep and left a vm telling him to not worry about ordering a 62 for me.

Brigid I thank you for your response! I am sorry if my words come out strong or mean & in situations like this I think it's better to sleep on it and make a comment after some thought. I am very passionate about this topic since it's my lively hood. I hate to use the word professional, but the people that Video DJ for a living will be hit hard with this Serato's announcement. This is very similar with what Apple decided to do with Final Cut and alienate the pro consumers. By offering Video plugin for Itch & not adding the features that the pro consumers have grown to love in Mix Emergency. If pro consumer went with the Serato only route they would be going back two years with features. Apple has received serious back lash & coverage. I feel this is the exact same situation. Why didn't we see a demo at NAMM with a "Video DJ" showing off the new plugin? Professional Video DJ's feel like we are being taken for grant. I don't think I am the only one on the forums that feels that way. I am not making a threat, but if Mix Emergency would move to Traktor I would follow. Full time Video DJ's want innovation & support for there trade.

hahahaaa!! was thinking almost the same thing.

I do Honestly appreciate you stepping in Brigid and taking it on the chin from us queens.

damn straight. i'd do it too. not a threat, a promise.

yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."

Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?

and for warn, Chad Simer, Zach Stone, Rafael Moya as well.
not going to let it get to me too much. what sucks most is that in the past i told many clubs i played at to buy a rane 57.
now what?!?

Please don't involve Anthony in this, he's a busy member of our support team. If you really want to tell someone it sucks, ask for me!

I'm pretty sure she was referring to Scratch Live.... that's the code that was changed in order to improve the product.... not VSL

right-o.

if he is support, what is your position?

Will the 62 work with 2.3?

Because there's more people on this forum.
If ME was a standalone program then it would be over there.

This is called video djing discussions. (well, maybe not this one, but the video one is)

No, the Sixty-Two will work with 2.4 and up. We always have to bring out a new version of SSL when new hardware comes out.

and who IS the official head at serato?
you must have a boss. who is it?

will the 57 work with 2.4?

Puma the 62 will not work with 2.3 only 2.4 and high unless Serato make's a version of 2.3 that will.

Yes, the 57 will work with 2.4.

Brigid I thank you for your response! I am sorry if my words come out strong or mean & in situations like this I think it's better to sleep on it and make a comment after some thought. I am very passionate about this topic since it's my lively hood. I hate to use the word professional, but the people that Video DJ for a living will be hit hard with this Serato's announcement. This is very similar with what Apple decided to do with Final Cut and alienate the pro consumers. By offering Video plugin for Itch & not adding the features that the pro consumers have grown to love in Mix Emergency. If pro consumer went with the Serato only route they would be going back two years with features. Apple has received serious back lash & coverage. I feel this is the exact same situation. Why didn't we see a demo at NAMM with a "Video DJ" showing off the new plugin? Professional Video DJ's feel like we are being taken for grant. I don't think I am the only one on the forums that feels that way. I am not making a threat, but if Mix Emergency would move to Traktor I would follow. Full time Video DJ's want innovation & support for there trade.

Can I have 2.4 and 2.2 installed using my 57 or do I need a firmware upgrade for the 57 that prevents me from dropping back down to 2.2?

(please answer that one)

Brigid,
and the answer to this question please...

who is the official head at serato?
you must have a boss. who is it?

Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com

Again... making MW work with SL falls on the shoulders of Inklen... all your (not YOU but you know what I mean) complaining to Serato about it is silly. Talk to the guy responsible to developing ME... offer him all the money you want to pay Serato to do his job for him.

We had a few setups with the new video plugin on it, but the focus for NAMM on the Rane booth was the new mixers. Serato didn't have a booth this year.

I can fully appreciate this. Serato Video 1.0 is an improved framework from which we can build. We'll be working hard this year to support you guys.

For complaints of ME not working with SL and wanting that to change, or wanting Inklen to try and partner with Serato, you can contact here:
www.inklen.com

Yes, you can have two different versions installed (2.2 and 2.4) - see this article here: sera.to

Bridig since the 62 has on board sampler player buttons can we get sync buttons for the sampler players in 2.4

since mix tape is being canned...:)

Sam is the C.E.O. of Serato, but if you have anything you want to ask, you can do so here with me.

Are you single? Thanks.

nm

aw bite me. naw jking.

naw, jking.

you make a dang good point there.
i just realized "so what would i be calling them to complain about?! why do they even care??! why do i even care?! i am wrapped up in ridiculousness."

the only thing that sucks is that i don't care for any version above 192. it's new hardware. they can't fix that. they have to have new versions.

Im sure they are going to be working on a workaround and will get lots of emails

i906.photobucket.com

lmao :)

Brigid I am sorry to be so harsh, but catching up to Mix Emergency is not innovation. I think you could of worked out a deal with Rane at NAMM to show off the Serato Plugin. NAMM is a week long event & I am sure Rane would of loved to have more selling points for the new mixer...

Will Video SL work with older versions of Scratch Live, other than 2.4?

Yes, we don't make changes to old versions.

Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Thanks!

can you guys do that? Brigid

i906.photobucket.com

Is that a Cool Ranch Dorito in your head?

dude...... GET IT IN YOUR THICK HEAD...... NO

I am just asking for answer.....

Eloy - why don't you ask Inklen that?

she answered it a fucking million times

Not talk to you man I am asking, Brigid.

some of you guys need to take the headphones off and go back to school

Now she answered it for the first time.

So I asked Nick from "Inklen" Brigid and this is what he said:

I'm not sure why that would be something to ask us. In saying that, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to implement something like this.

here is a link to what he said: www.inklen.com

So from Inklen saying that can you guys work with them so we don't lose Support of ME or get in back in the next version of SSL.

dj/ lawyer

******PLEASE****

I would move to Tractor too

That's interesting. Definitely one for management to follow up on. Forwarding now.

Wrong..this isn't ME issue at all. SSL is forbidden ME to work with it. Since Serato changed the code, what can ME do about it? Nothing. Its all on the shoulders of Serato

So Serato is not against maybe implementing this? Or is it above you? (Not meant to sound offensive)

This definitely above me. This is mad Elders council stuff.

Serato just said they didnt do this on purpose, basically saying its in inklens hands now if ME works in the future

Gotta light the candles in a circle at the round table type shit

Thats not true.

I know for a 100% fact of the details of the behind the door meetings

So Serato haven't actually entered into a dialogue with Inklen yet?

Do you guys not look at your own forum? Thought it would be pretty obvious that a lot of your users have moved to ME in the 2 years you guys have completely ignored VSL...

Sorry, this doesn't smell right at all.

If your announcement said, "hey, we tried to sort it, but couldn't", fair enough.

If your announcement said, "we don't want you to use ME, that's our right as software developers"... That would be fair enough too, actually.

But all this 'ooh we didn't think of that' is, frankly, bullshit.

Fix up.

I don't know all the details, but i know some. and i know that Nick would be willing to do anything to make it work. I know for a fact that nick would of just about done anything besides sell the company to them

Whats not true ? bridgid is being very helpful and clear with the ME situation

Come on now, we have been talking to Nick for a while. I'm not privy to our conversations with him.

Clear my ass.

Nothing personal, Brigid.

She said its not about money, they wrote the code for new hardware not to block ME, and she said that The ball is in ME's court to make it work for 2.4 +

Honestly, I'm trying to be as clear as possible without getting fired, so I do take this a little personally.

How's it going guys? I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth about, not the products, but the arguing. My name is Tim, I'm from Ohio and I'm 36 yrs old. I've DJed every day of my life from the time I was 14. The only time I stopped was when I joined the service from 93-97 then again from 2001-2005. I only tell you this b/c I'm a disabled Vet. I lost both legs from the knee down, broke my collar bone, broke 5 ribs and still have a bullet under my left lung. I was in a hummer that hit an IED then ambushed. I lost three very good friends and the whole time I was in the hospital, all I wanted to do was spin. All this arguing and name calling doesn't solve anything. We use what we use b/c it's what we can afford or what we like. Denon or Pio , DVS or "real" vinyl? Ford or Chevy? I use VSL never used ME but I understand it's a great product. The thing that deters me at this point is that they don't make it PC compatible, only for Mac. Mac's are great computers, but not in my price range. I do have a computer science degree and an MCSE so when I say the only difference between a Mac and PC now-a-days is the OS, it's true. Intel processors, ram, video cards, etc are all the same. I'm sure ME is gonna fix the problem. It would stupid of them not to. You guys think you have it bad? In 2009 I pre-order a 2010 Camaro SS right before my 4th deployment. Silver w/ Black stripes, leather, six speed...... I say again, six speed...... I have nothing below the knee. Vern Troyer has a better shot of driving this car before me.... All joking aside guys, Do it because you love it and because the crowd loves it no matter what you use.

Thanks for listeing.......

No one ever said he was not being helpful, he has been great.

I just said that its a fact that meetings have been going on for a while now and if Serato wanted ME to work with the program, then Serato would of let it work. For Big Wiz to try to make people go and complain on the ME forums is bullshit because thats not the problem. The problem is Serato and not ME. Thats my point

Please don't mislead people. Either you know it, and you'll tell all the details, or you don't know it.

I don't know the full details, so I can't comment.

Hey guys, I'm heading home for the weekend. I'll jump online when I can throughout the weekend and try and answer more questions.

sorry, i should of worded that better.

I know for a fact that there have been meetings for a while.

When Big Wiz (well, read my last post)

sorry if my wording was off but i know that Nick would work within any guidelines to make ME work with SSL, just sera to isn't letting him

In this thread you ARE Serato, Brigid... I'm confident in saying that nobody is having a pop a you personally, myself included.

If you are not privvy to all the meetings and such then it is wrong for management to put you out here alone to deal with this shitstorm.

Have a good weekend Brigid..

Thank you for at least answering questions


Facts are better then rumors and now at least people know.

Its not the end of the world and all will be OK

Thanks for quick responses

Im very VERY upset the ME2.0 wont be supported in serato 2.4. i am a big believe in using up to date software, but i will not be using 2.4 anytime soon.

Now if serato really doesn't mind ME playing in its back yard, they someone (maybe authorized or not) at the serato video development lab will send nick the un-compiled code for serato 2.4 so he can write his code into this new serato video offering.

I among other's are very disappointed in this development, And really hope serato does some sort of back room deal. I understand Serato cant support ME in any way. but its not going to cost them anything to send ME a no disclosure contract and a copy of the serato 2.4 code. If nick can find a way to make it work than great, if not its not really serato fault at that point.

I have been hinted to that Serato video will not any any features that ME has over VSL at its release. So for the short term serato video is no better than VSL. But i do know serato has talked to user's of both programs and asked what features are most important to video DJ's. I would like to hope that Serato video will some day be the program we all want it to be but that's not happening anytime this year. It would be nice if serato added back in VSL support to serato 2.4 until they get Serato video up to par with ME but again that not happening. I really hope to see serato video updates out ASAP but my biggest issue with VSL and Serato video i dont see ever being changed. I DONT want serato video to be stuck inside serato i want it on windows that can be moved to a second monitor. it's a key part of my setup and i dont want to loose it.

Also one other point i would like to make. I would assume that serato is also doing this to stop the spread of hacked VSL's and key code sharing. I would assume with a new program no one who has not registered there VSL will get the download for serato video and i would be you need an internet connection to authorize your copy of serato video. Im fine with that i own VSL also. but that will put a big stop to all the people who dont legitimately own VSL or serato video. and hopefully put some money in serato bank account so that they can upgrade serato video to be a real competitor in the video game.\

I feel really bad for Nick, he has been so good about feature request and repairs and tweaks to ME, and hi bet there's been alot of time put into ME 2.0 and now that it wont work its just gonna suck.

Guys if you have not gotta a minute to meet Brigid she is a great young lady.. She is very cute too.. :-)

2.0 will still work with 2.2 and 2.3 so I'm cool with that.

It's too big to quote but +1 on everything Code:E just said.

thanks Phatbob i really enjoy reading you post because i feel you are among the few on here who make sense.

WHat is a MIX emergency????????????

if you have to ask you dont need to know

As you guys know Serato has been a curse and a blessing, but im extremely upset that they have decided not to support Mix Emergency with their new mixers, well I guess IM going to stick to my TT57 or maybe even sell it. To me this is a load of crap..#SERATO = FAIL

& also 2.4 not supporting Mix Emergency is for the BIRDS.

stinky black not talking to you

sorry i have no SWAGG

you are forgiven for not having swagg foo

You know right now as it stands Serato will be giving a free upgrade for vsl registered users and nobody is making $$$ .. most of us video djz bought vsl and threw it to the dogz and switched to M.E a far superior product ... But we paid for both .

I dont see why Serato and M.E doesnt capitalize on this oppurtunity and make some $$ while at it ... I would pay to get access to use M.E with my 62... $50 for Serato and $50 for M.E both parties make money and and they keep thier customers ... Sales go up again for Rane and everyone is peachie ...

Pretty damm stupid with such an easy fix if u ask me ...

Id be willing to pay for the the M.E SERATO PATCH ...

Maybe we should all start messaging all of the video suppliers (crooklyn clan, smash vidz, xtenda mix) and have them send off nasty emails to serato saying how its gonna hurt there business if nobody new will be getting into the video game because there no good VJ program thats current. (well except for the rumored VDJ 8, which im very excited to see, cause video on VDJ7 works amazingly well)

People. Before you talk about "support", look up the definition.

Whatthefuckbarbecuesauce

SERIOUSLY!! THIS CAN BE!! Why don;t both M.E. and Serato sit at the table and make this work? I AM SUPER PISSED!!

FYI, Auckland, New Zealand is +13 hours from Pacific Standard Time. I never knew they could patch you straight from the Northwest on the phone. I will try on Monday. (Tuesday for Brigid).

I love Serato. It made me fall in love with DJing (again) at a time where I was falling out of love with it. That being said, There are still many issues that loyal customers has been bringing up for years on both the audio and video side of SSL (that I've noticed since 2008) that have either not been resolved, addressed or just simply ignored. (Let's not get started with the OUTCRY for better keylock algorhythm, This thread would go crazy).

While the product is easy to use and has sort of become the industry standard for DVS, It almost seems that SERATO as a company clearly likes to ignore the concerns of their loyal customer base. I can play devil's advocate and see why not allowing ME to work on post 2.4 versions of SSL can be beneficial for your company. In the end, You just lost half your loyal fan base on corporate decisions. Nuff said.

I sure hope the Serato Video product that you plan on releasing in March far exceeds what ME has been offering to its video users for years now. Otherwise, This may be a big fail on your part.

-Alex Mendez (DJ AUDIO1)
Avid Serato guy

got it

... The 1st rule about MixEmergency.. is you dont talk about MixEmergency..

A secret society...

fight club!

In a perfect world, I would like to see some type of agreement between the 2.

Although I cant go into too much details, I will say that I demo'ed Serato Video the past 3 days here in Vegas, along side the 62z mixer. Great plugin, alot of growing and expanding features and effects will be going on here in the next few weeks Im sure. Because of my relation with both companies, I wont really be all political. I will say this...Nick has years of coding and added features, etc. Serato Video is in an infant stage. It will take some time to implement all the features needed to even get close to catching up with ME. My only hope is that Serato doesnt abandon Serato Video like they did with VSL, and ship a broken and incomplete product.

Also, there is nothing worse than someone being a butt pirate fan boy of anything. Quit kissing ass, your breath smells like poo poo.

In the end, I really truly hope that the higher ups read this and understand that they are taking away massive amounts of creativity to the elite group of video DJs who have always supported SSL. The top video DJs in this game all use SSL and ME (with a few exceptions of cats running Virtual DJ.

Anyone can say anything on a public forum. Its up to you wether or not you believe the hype.

I started to look into video last year for doing my own visuals alongside music.
I still do only audio at gigs though. I bought ME as it was the obvious choice, recording being the most important feature for myself. Also like the curve based triggers alot.
I rock the 68, and will probably stay with that mixer for a long time.
Might get a 62 later, but for now, I'm good.

If this is the end of ME, well, its kind of sad. But, I'm not gonna go out and cry just yet.
I could still use 2.3.3 with for a while, I also run The Bridge at times, and I like the mixtape feature.

When Serato Video is released, I'll probably pick it up, if I like it.
Probably should have jumped on the VSL sale before NAMM, but seriously,
$149 is not the end of the world. Gonna let this play out, then make my own opinions & conclusions.

Finally some who doesn't hate VDJ. I found it to be (when use on a PC) great video DJ program with many benefits of VSL.
Anyway i really hope i dont have to try and get my CDJ2000s to run on VDJ again, they work so much better on serato, plus that nice and new SL4 box is just gonna sit on a shelf at that point. :(

Please Serato listen to the people. give them what they want! and if you really cant do that, give them what they need.

Floating Video Preview Windows
Random Transitions and Effects - More Transitions and Effects
Recording Audio Visual Mix
Customizable Transition and Effect Lists
Quartz Composition Overlay
Syphon Support
Text,SMS to Screen Support
Multiple MIDI functions to One Button
More file Type Support
Live Camera Feed

its to my understanding that nick wrote the code for VSL, and well... he is no longer a part of the Serato Team(creative differences). Therefore, who would know his code better than him?

so why wouldnt Serato make a new code for Serato Video from scratch, and move on? no wonder they havent worked on VSL in 2 years, the guy that wrote it left...


or am i wrong? haha


we all love ME for what it has become! i was one of the first ones to brag about it to everyone! plus we all loved the fact that ONLY mac users can use it. at least i did!


anyways life sucks, and this move is gonna set the Video DJ community back once again

now its up to Nick to make a new code for 2.4, and i hope he does it!


simple right?

FIRST:
THEN:
hmmm. that's an interesting contradiction. I guess we can stop listening to what you have to say now. But... just 'cause you wanna put my name in it.

Serato AGAIN FOR THE SLOW OF COMPREHENSION... has nothing to do with ME.
It is not there responsibility to make a plugin that is not official or even supported by them work or not. Scratch Live can work with out ME... so can Itch and The Bridge and DJ Intro and every single Serato product. They do not NEED ME for anything. ME on the other hand needs SL to work. It is TOTALLY Inklens burden and responsibility here to make it work or not. Therefore (nothing personal towards you but) it's you're point that's bullshit here.
Your point is point blank stupid for anyone with an ounce of common sense. It's better to remain quiet and be perceived an idiot then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

it's when you go to spin at the club and your video plug in doesn't work.
hahaha J/K =) oh this is fun.

lol i know what it is now

in the mean time... i look forward to seeing the finished product for 2.4 and serato video!

It's when you can't find the beat and need "auto-sync" ASAP.

hahaha

quote fail^^^^

I was really emotional about the lack of mixtape the other day, and its hard when I try to keep professional in the public eye...

I am an ME user myself, but i understand what Wiz is saying... how its Inklen's problem... because in reality IT IS! If they are a talented and dedicated company, then crack SSL and VS again so your new bells and whistles version can work... People are offering BIG amounts of money to use ME so up the price to pay for the extra work!

Back to mixtape..... This was a BIG BIG BIG game changer, and a feature that was legit unlike the ME issue(s)... I really don't know what to say here, this was a HUGE step forward, and with the shaky grounds where serato has no official announcement or even a bone that they can throw out there to keep their professionals happy and all the people that actually bought legit Live copies to use it... thats just unstableness to me and the REAL slap in the face of this threads facts, not ME....

I have worked with Chris Kilmore from Incubus for years, rocked sets with him at times, had practice sessions here and there, and studio time too... LiveFeed and Mixtape being mia and uncertain about its future, is a big deal to these cats that are touring and doing BIG things using Rane Hardware and Serato Software.... You just sold us onto mixtape and live feed 2 years ago... now you want to tell the real professionals that you are sorry?

Now do you think these people are going to want to continue using a product/tool that has its "cool" features die off in 2 years, features that you perform to 20+ thousand people each sold out show (livefeed)???.....

Ill say one more thing... if the Mixtape/Bridge Relation with Ableton can't be resolved, stabilized, and made to be kickass... then there is your example for the people that want inklen and serato to collab.... they couldn't even make the legit partnership work.....

Something to think about...

wrong.
It was Nathan H who wrote Video SL, not Nick from inklen

serato.com

Hold on now, I said right at the beginning that we'll have an update on Mixtape for you soon, and we will. There's lots of internal discussion going on right now.

Hey Brigid,

Eloy asked this question which has not been answered yet:


Can you answer this one?

I offer this as a solution, though I don't take credit for the concept:

(and yes, Bridget I've read your comments that it's not about the money, but I'm well aware that software development/testing does require resources...)

Somehow give ME the new "hooks" to do its thing with SL 2.4...

...but only allow them to work with a registered (not demo) copy of Serato Video.

There may be some DJ's who would be unhappy about "paying twice"...

...but those of us who have come to depend on ME for certain functionality would be facing a much less stark situation than what we have now.

And it might well save your company some negative PR, and Rane some lost (or at least deferred) sales.

The situation with Inklen is complicated (as you've probably gathered by now). We'd be happy to discuss it if it happened.

You mean discuss this with us, users or with Inklen?

Some of you guys defend serato like its your Damn wife... Seriously stop kissing ass.

BTW I have pre ordered the 62z .... I will use it with the new serato video... The world is not gonna end.... Me is and will be a great product.

It would be a discussion between Serato and Inklen.

As someone who knows WHY ME is called Mix Emergency (don't ask me), I can tell you that I will be using it and NOT Video-SL, PERIOD. I have been more than disappointed with Video SL for about 3 years now. I was an early adopter and bought a 57SL and VSL. Moving to Mix Emergency was a GOD-SEND, and I will not go backwards.

A lot of people on here don't really know what they are talking about and should probably be quiet and see how things play out. Blindly taking sides is silly.

Serato, you have let us down in many ways, and that will not be forgotten by people who LOVE their profession as much as we do !! I still dig SSL mostly, but Video-SL is dead to me.

I UNDERSTAND your position from a business stand-point, and I also know that making these tools available to more novice DJ/VJ's thru the use of Itch, etc, WILL NOT harm QUALITY Video-DJ's like myself. It MIGHT make more people interested in the ART of VIDEO-DJing....

and that's a good thing.

Because those guys can come see us play with the REAL TOOLS (ME).... and go, HOW DID YOU DO THAT ????

Apple likes a technology. The buy it and implement it to
Their products. Me created something special and serato clearly can see that.

if u need auto sync just download the latest shitty product from serato: DJ Intro.

Inklen created ME...... Just correcting my post above

I have to sign off for the night guys (it's Friday!), but I'll pop in over the weekend as well.

@JC- I find this to be hilarious (since the first time I met you; me and you were the ONLY two at the table still repping VSL and now we both moved so far to the "darkside"




This would be hilarious……… except for the fact thats such a stab into the back of video djs it's really not funny at all.


I have to say, its honorable to stand up and take the abuse here when these decisions are over your head.


I think this would be an outstanding topic for an interview with a Rane representative on the next episode of Remix Report


Tell ya what, I had some issues when I first got on ME, Nick all but held my hand through the process. We emailed back and forth and when the issue couldn't be fixed he called me, and it got handled then. That is customer support worth paying for… In here we are lucky to get a response for days (if not weeks) at a time. If you email Nick from Inklen with a problem, you can generally expect a response in 24 hours (or less)


I personally run prior versions of Scratch Live and have since I got converted from true vinyl to SSL. I dunno what the heck it is, but I have a crap ton of issues every time I get a new SSL update, so much of an issue with the last time I "updated", that I now have an "unnamed source" who has all the updates and I asked him to call me when one comes out that he finds to be truly stable and worth upgrading to. (he hasn't told me to upgrade in quite some time)




I have both, and I can honestly say I spoke with SEVERAL Dj's before I got on ME and EVERY single one of them told me I had to have VSL installed and running before installing ME. I can tell you from experience that you can NOT install Serato Scratch Live, and Mix Emergency on a fresh computer and expect it to work, you must also have VSL installed. I am in FULL agreement that you need to allocate resources to developing your own products, HOWEVER the issue that video deejays have with VSL is that your product was thrown out to corner a market, and not "developed" beyond its conception. Now in the past two years that we haven't seen updates to a product we paid for, Serato has launched ITCH, The Bridge, Dj Intro, and now Serato Video - so that you can pick up more customers without benefiting the ones you have already signed up. The part that is truly horrible, is programs like Itch actually hurt the dj community by flooding the market with people use the program to do EVERYTHING for them. So lets ReCap here - 1. your new software is written in a way to negate Mix Emergency 2. the new software will further enable the djs using lower grade software / equipment to undercut and poach, because now they can offer video 3. the new software wont have the features for a LONG time that we already have in ME 4. Serato is still developing new software and updating stuff for controller jockeys, but there is no idea when solid long term video jocks will have updates - yeah…. uh…. sucks for us doesn't it : / Serato Scratch Live and VSL have tons of loyal customers how bout catering to us, instead of trying to add to your customer base while saying its not about the money.



(totally awesome response)



$50 bucks each?!?! wow. yea thats a hell of an undercut. I will totally stand by Serato saying hey look, you wanna upgrade to ME, fine, but you have to buy VSL (or whatever its badged as) first… no more end run around buying it. I honestly don't have a problem paying the $200 EACH for the programs (obviously since I bought em both)- hey Serato VSL obviously NEEDS the money so they can put it into development for products for people to poach (or at least attempt to) our jobs (or they can say its going into development for a better VSL whatever) and I certainly don't have a problem paying for Mix Emergency, cause if you do you see where your money goes by the regular updates to transitions etc.


- Oh and hello DjFam - been hibernating for the winter - Nice to see everyones feathers are still easily ruffled

@Blaze - hey bro long time - my issue with the novice guys is- in my area we have small venues held by cheap owners, you tell one of them "your paying your vj $400 a night, I'll do it for a $20 bar tab" and as long as he doesn't send the crowd out screaming and pulling their hair out then he is a threat. They sit there and trainspot with a notepad, they read the lower thirds and see where we get our videos (most of mine are from crooklyn) they download the content and play essentially the same set. They have scratch sound effect packs out now so that element of the set is nearly obsolete, novice mixing eh... its a college town, I bet 90% of my crowd wouldnt know the difference from an A-list line up (like the one from Biloxi last year) or you standing there pressing play on itunes.. Those other 10% well... their opinions don't count for a whole lot. I retain jobs because Im one of 3 guys in the city with over a decade of experience (so we can also fix everything).
(yea I know your argument I could always move, but ya know this is kinda my home went to school here, family lives here, have a house here... I'll drive an hour or two to a gig or fly, but I'm not moving)

It's Serato's own fault that ME event exists. Here's how it works:
Serato Video and SSL 2.3.3 use QuickTime's video feed to process videos... We all know QuickTime, it's free software... ME taps into that data and manipulates the video feed and sends it back out... Let me explain this in an easy way.

Serato will make it's own video feed that'll be super heavy on everyone's computer, it won't work, it'll crash on your busiest night, and chances are the quality will be complete crap... Best part about this is that Serato can't deny it. Why? Because their current product is exactly how I described it and it does mainly audio. HiFi resampler - shit. KeyLock - Shit. Library and crate management - Shit. Loading times - Shit. Crash handling - We know the answer to this. Midi Mapping - Shit. Layouts that DJs want - Non existent.

Lets just sit back and watch what use to be the best DVS destroy itself.

Overall though, we all have to thank Serato. They're great at angering their customers. Honestly, how many companies have the ability to disappoint thousands of people every time?

Oh and one more thing..... if anyone from Inklen is looking, you build a solid audio (Scratch Live type) program and stick with just that one, keep it solid, and link Mix Emergency to it - and you got at least one customer that will be loyal to you (until you pull the crap Serato did) in me.

(I bet theres a few dozen other guys around here that would go for it too)

Hope to see everyone at the Video Dj Conference this year -

(cant wait to see if Serato VSL / Mix Emergency will be there representing their products)


- Much love guys !!

Honestly, Video feeds have to exit via the minidisplay, vga, or DVI ports... All display ports can be hacked into for video feeds as it's controlled by the operating system (Windows or OSx). It won't be as easy as tapping into QuickTime, but it's do-able... Sorry Serato. Unless you release audio boxes with video output, we will always have our 3rd party video programs ;)

I agree 100% Crush! I also have both ME and VSL, and use only ME, and will continue to do so. I am totally happy with a Rane 57, or SL-3 box, 2.2 and ME (can't wait for ME 2.0 to release). Serato had plenty of opportunity to do something with VSL......2 or 3 years and not even a single transition or effect was released, but chose to let it go. ME jumped in and put out a superior product bottom line! Just imagine if Nick/Inklen decided to make an entire new DJ software...........If it would be as good as ME, I wonder how many people would switch?




Reps from Rane AND Nick from ME was there last year.........not a peep from a Serato Rep though. THAT showed me how much Serato cares about video DJ'n

So true

Apple makes iPads. All kinds of manufacturers make cases that are "compatible" with iPads following the design specifications that Apple has came up with.

When new iPads come to the market, is Apple supposed to contact every case manufacturer of the changes to make sure they're on board? Or, is every manufacturer out there (not licensed by Apple) supposed to just measure they new iPad when it comes out and design and release new compatible cases as soon as possible?

Think about that for a minute.

Last I recall Serato is a private company and they can do what they feel is best for them. I am with serato. As much as I like ME, I feel that in time Serato video will be great. Maybe not out the gate but in time. We have no clue what is in store for serato video. So let's all chill out and if you are a true dj its not about the videos its always about the audio. How much fun is it watching a movie on mute. Word

Brigid thanks for posting this thread and answering questions. consumers who invest time and money into a product like and need to have feedback from the company that they are supporting.

that said i completely understand why (either intentionally or unintentionally) SSL 2.4 won't work with ME. It would have been the right thing to do to make this announcement at the beginning of the year or make the 2.4 beta public so consumers can see what will and will not work with 2.4 (bridge, ME, etc). Not after customers fork over dough for a new $2,000 2-channel mixer that won't work with the best video plug-in on the market.

The only reason why so many customers have shifted to ME is because you guys abandoned VSL. Not a peep from developers in the VSL section for years, not an update in years, no new features in years.

Now if Serato Video has a roadmap that includes every single feature that ME has and take it a step further and innovate on top of that alot, of video DJ's would feel a little safer upgrading to a 61/62 and SSL 2.4.

So far, the only new feature of Serato Video is it's ability to work with Itch and a new name. And if that's not the case let's hear what the new features are.

I'm not sure what has happened in the last few years but your communication skills has dwindled and all of this backlash and potential loss of sales could have been avoided.

p.s. if you haven't been to inklen forums, Nick has confirmed that ME 2.0 will not work 2.4.

Sixxx:

That's hardware, not software. In software terms Apple release developer previews of their OS updates so software partners can make their products compatible.

Inklen are not currently a software partner with Serato, of course.

But my argument is that they SHOULD be.

It's when paramedics take your to the E.R for treatment because bottles where thrown at you for train wrecking mixes at the club.

Perhaps, but Serato has a PRODUCT that ME IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH. You don't shoot yourself in your own foot. nm

hahahahhahha damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! you nailed it...lol

^^^^^ end of thread rich here cause it sums up every thing ranted here.

rich= thread

So, end of thread thread? lmao

And would love to know a answer for this also. Why not tell us when we all found out about the new mixers.....(That is only works with 2.4)

And would love to know the release date for the new 2.4 so we can all see for our self what it has and dont have.

Also i thought the 62 was midi mappable for other software ( Is this true? )

serato.com

thanks

Oh man, this is some crazy stuff. So much input from so many sides. Now its time for my side. I get so much good advice from all of the top video dj's and they all use ME. I think its a great product. But there is one thing. I dont have it. I've used it on other video dj's set ups. The reason is i'm just old school and every time a product is released, the competitor would release a better product. I was playing on dvjs for a long time before switching to Serato vsl. It was a big cost for me, but I liked it in the end. I'm able to use my old turntables and carry less gear. No more dvds! Then I saw ME. I thought to my self "Wow! thats awesome. I wonder what serato is going to come up with to beat that." and every year I wait and nothing. Like every other vj, I have to pay bills. ME is an added expense. Sure its not much, but pile it on a bunch of monthly bills. So this year I'm just going to get ME. But, they have new release! and wait! Serato has a new release! So this is the problem that I have every year. I'm not endorsed by either company(but if they want to, they can) So im not picking sides. I like Serato, but I wished they would have stayed on track with updates and added features. Oh Serato I have my fingers crossed for you. If you dont have a superior product or make some kind of agreement between Serato/ME software, it will be rough. Listen to your customers. Theres no guessing here,they are telling you what they want from your product! Research and Development! This is a world of supply and demand. All it takes is someone to listen, develop a product like yours, enhance it with ME features, collaborate with a great mixer, and you'll be out of business. If people demand it enough, someone will supply it. I'll wait for both parties to release the new stuff and bug repair, and the I will decide.

hahahahahahhaha yea

What, like Apple iWork and Microsoft Office?

Like FCP and Adobe Premier?

Like Logic and Ableton Live?

Yeah, totally see your point.

Of course you don't, you're telling me Microsoft gave apple all the codes for Apple to create iWork?

Or, did FCP give Adobe their codes so the competition would come up with something similar?

Or, did ... nevermind.

I guess, you DON'T SEE my point.

Btw, Apple should have given Droid all the codes to make everything the iPhone has work with a Droid. Oh wait, no they didn't. Droid came up with all their own thing (while copying some stuff and getting sued in the process). Does that sound familiar?

Even better point microsoft made office work for apple ....

Nope. But they gave them developer previews of Lion.

MS Office is even coming to IOS this year.

If Serato has a problem with ME they should have shut it down DAY 1.

To cut it off now is just removing features from the Scratch Live ecosystem which Serato have so far been unwilling or unable to provide.

This is for Apple's OWN GOOD. Because, the software that is available for a computer IS WHAT MAKES A COMPUTER more likeable by consumers.

Unlike that, Serato doesn't have to do that if they provide their own software. They could BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

Who is to say that Serato and Inklen were already in talks and Inklen said, hell no? Maybe Serato wanted Inklen to be Serato ME but that didn't work. Well, here we are.

I do agree with this though...
"If Serato has a problem with ME they should have shut it down DAY 1."

The next best thing is what they're doing now. Building a new video from the ground up that could eventually be the best thing. Unless you can see the future, you can' tell me this couldn't be possible.

"To cut it off now is just removing features from the Scratch Live ecosystem which Serato have so far been unwilling or unable to provide. "

So be it... it needed to "stop" at some point. nm

Eventually. So I am precluded from using any new Rane hardware and any new Serato software until Serato Video reaches feature-parity with ME. Which could take years, if it ever happens.

On what level is that good customer service?

I am sure that 2 years ago there were no plans to take Itch and make it more like ScratchLive...that determination came from the users. In order to do that Serato believed that it would take an entire re-write of the Serato code, the Itch code, and yes, the VSL code.

And if the VSL plug-in was the focal point of their business you can bet that it would have been rewritten first. SInce it's one of the last pieces of code to be worked on I can only assume that held out as long as they could of before starting down this path.

I would imagine that from Serato's point of view, having all of their code on a single core base is a good thing. And it certainly seems like it's going to be a better thing moving forward in terms of more controllers for Itch, and more improvements for ScratchLive and Serato Video.

Even a better point
why doesn't ME out of good faith give the codes to serato so they can make it work with 2.4?
what is ME scared that their codes will be borrowed or stolen and be used in serato video. well if that is the case i don't see any reason why serato should be the first to give out it's sl code to ME out of good faith.

Good customer service is this.

They came up with new hardware. They came up with a new plug in that will also work with the software that their new hardware needs. Period. That's the end.
That's good customer service. You take care of YOUR OWN.

Now, you BUILD on Video and make it what it should've been from the beginning. There.
nm

"Even a better point
why doesn't ME out of good faith give the codes to serato so they can make it work with 2.4?
what is ME scared that their codes will be borrowed or stolen and be used in serato video. well if that is the case i don't see any reason why serato should be the first to give out it's sl code to ME out of good faith. "

Exactly!!!! nm

Like I said, you don't shoot yourself on the foot.
nm

This...

There, fixed that for you.

You know what ME should do? They should design their own softare like SSL... problem solved.


:)

nm

Actually, it's more like apple changed the code so angry birds won't work. Does angry birds need the iPhone and iPad to survive?
I think that's a fair statement.
Sure it's available on other platforms.

So the angry birds people one day wake up and go:
" oui mate, u see our program don't work in the apple products new OS? "

So they go back and tweak it so it DOES work with the new OS.

But for some reason, it still won't work.
And when people complain their angry birds don't work anymore;
Apple tells them for the good of the OS, they changed it up; and a casualty
Of thT change was angry birds ... But you are free to download
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d .


I'm the worst when it comes to analogies.
But Brigid made it clear that that there's still dialogue between inklen and ME ; let's hope they come to a mutually beneficial solution.

software even... lol

I'm curious, sixxx, are you a MixEmergency user?

It's just, if you aren't, I'd like to know how having Inklen licence (with money) the ability to provide compatibility with SL would effect your life in a negative way? Or indeed any way at all?

Nick's most recent quote over on the Mix Emergency forums




It still seems like they are quite far apart.

Yup. I'm a MixEmergency user. I LOVE ME better than VSL...

I'm also open to the idea of Serato Video being a great add-on to SSL (EVENTUALLY). I believe they should have never abandoned VSL the way they did.

I bought the 57 because of VSL. I wanted to mix videos and I did. Eventually, VSL wasn't improved upon but I still used VSL because IT WORKED. Then, ME came up with some cool features that VSL should have and I switched. But, I may switch back to Serato Video when and if I ever need to and it meets my needs. Right now, I have a 57 that works great with ME, VSL and SSL. I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE NEWEST HARDWARE WHEN IT'S RELEASED.

The 57 works for me for now. I'm sure things will get resolved eventually. nm

Mixtape support gets dropped and users find out via a throwaway post in the Bridge forum.

And now this.

Winner of the corporate communications award 2012 goes to... Well not Serato, obviously.

If they do get resolved, I will get new Rane hardware. At that point, maybe things are resolved between Serato and Inklen and we have a new ME that works with whatever version of SSL is out. Or, perhaps at that time Serato Video is awesome and that's the end of it.

I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE... and neither can you.

nm

Fair enough sixxx.

I've said all along I'll switch to SV in a heartbeat when it is as good as ME.

But that time is not now.

And I just genuinely, honestly, cannot understand why a licensing deal would not be beneficial to both companies. Nobody thinks Inklen should get a free ride.

It was also announced in this thread as well...at the top. I wouldn't call that a throwaway posting.

Oh, believe me, I agree with you 100%.



Yup.

I'm on Serato side here.

All ya'll sound like 12 year old who don't get everything they want. *waaaa* *waaaa*

I'll be quick to backhand my kid if he acts even remotely like some of you complainers.

Did you even bother to read the whole thread?

I'd backhand my kid if he had such a reductionist attitude as you.

It was mentioned by a Serato staffer in the Bridge forums a few days ago. Like it was old news.

such a useless post. why are you in this thread?

Every last word...IMO most of the people in here have the "participation" trophy syndrom. Everybody thinks they should get something :)

Because if people who bitch get a say, why can't the people who agree with Serato get one?

You clearly completely misunderstood Adam Corolla's point.

So which do you use, ME or VSL?

Do you drive a Chevy or a Ford?

What about seeing it this way.



What if it were worded this way.

Make ME pay a fee to have ME work with 2.4?

Neither, but I don't talk about them on forums, as I wouldn't claim to have sufficient knowledge to do so.

Knowledge of a particular product is your argument? haha oh man

if that's the case NOBODY except Serato team should be saying anything.

You may have read the thread but you appear to have misunderstood it.

As professional users of video DJ software, we ask for the ability to PAY to use the best software available. No sense of entitlement here.

I drive a Honda, I'm an expert in all things HONDA!

Hondas are pretty easy bro.... A screwdriver and a carwash bay and you can fix most honda problems without a shop...lol

haha bad analogy! How about a German car?

Maybe. Maybe not.

But as a Honda driver you have a reasonable stake in the fortunes of Honda, so should feel entitled to comment.

That certainly wouldn't make you an expert in Fords. So I wouldn't listen to much you had to say about Fords.

Exactly like upgrading transmission software.....yea good luck lol

Brigid, I have a question that I'm hoping you can answer...

If I download and install Serato Video to run with ITCH, will it disable/overwrite the current VideoSL?

Meaning, can I keep using 2.3.3 and ME (utilizing VSL) when I play with SSL, but use Serato Video when I play with ITCH?

If this works, it will hold me over until Serato Video catches up with ME. Otherwise I'm afraid to download Serato Video for my VCI-300 and lose my ability to record sets with ME. I use SSL for 99% of my shows, but it would be nice to be able to practice video blends on the VCI at home. :(

Thanks!

Loads of people bitch and moan about the 68.

I don't comment on that, because I don't own a 68. What do I have to offer their conversation apart from sweeping judgemental statements about 12 year olds?

By that logic, 2.4 /61/62 isn't out yet...can you fill in the rest or do I need to spell it out for you?

I think you do need to spell it out because that post makes no sense at all.

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So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone.

Solution #1: DON"T UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF SCRATCHLIVE PAST 2.3.3. You will still get to use Mixtape and ME.

I don't see this as much of a problem because there are a lot of guys still stuck on 1.9.2. What is 2.4 bringing to the table...support for two new mixers. Yay...now see solution #2.

Solution #2: DON'T BUY A RANE SIXTY ONE, SIXTY TWO or SIXTYTWO Z.

If you want mixtape then get a 57 or 68.

If you want to use ME then there are a lot of great midi capable mixers that will work with the program.

Meant to say "So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get BACK reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone."

Get that sense & logic out of this thread!!! No place for it in here ;)

If a company decides to update and improve their own competing product, why don't they have that right? It is not Serato's responsibility to ensure another company's superior competing product's compatibility. You guys brought up totally wrong analogies as far as Apple. A better analogy is what happened with Apple and Power Computing when Steve Jobs took back the reins. Apple killed the PowerPc clones so that it can regain control of it's own roadmap and overall perception of the company. It killed the OpenOS project a couple of years ago... why?.... because those systems used unlicensed versions of their proprietary OS X. Has that hurt Apple? Not one bit. If you wanna bitch and whine and complain, petition Inklen to make a truly standalone version of ME. Or use VDJ. Or STFU and at least give change a try. My 2 cents.....

Haha...exactly.

So as a business Rane should be ok with less 62/1 sales? I agree people wanting me cannot upgrade but this is hurting Rane...i think

A licensing deal would almost certainly heavily favor Inklen and not Serato. Consider the following:

1) How much money would Serato get from the licensing deal? If everyone were to switch to Serato Video, they're getting $150/license. How much are they going to get from ME? Certainly not $150/license. Plus since ME is a superior product, Serato could essentially lose potential Video customers who move to ME instead of purchasing Video.

2) The only thing a licensing deal means over the current situation is that Serato would have to keep the ME guys up-to-date on any changes to Serato software in exchange for a relatively small fee. In other words, the software would be "supported" by Serato and they'd have to defer development time on their own products to offer support for a product that is both a) a competitor and b) bringing in less money for them than their own product.

3) Inklen would prefer a licensing deal because there wouldn't be any guessing as to how to keep ME compatible, and whenever something changes on the Serato end, they'd be handed the changes on a shiny platter. In short, their lives become easier for relatively little cost.

4) Serato may not have anything against ME per se, but why would they want to help sustain a competitor? It's one thing if Serato Video/Video-SL didn't exist, then I could see where they'd benefit from licensing, but Serato Video does exist and Serato probably has some big plans for it over the coming years. Sign a licensing deal now, and you're just making it way harder to sell your own product in the future. Plus, Inklen would also have more time to develop features if they didn't have to keep thinking about coming up with workarounds. That would make ME an even stronger competitor to Video.

Of course if you're an ME user right now then you'd favor the deal, but such a deal could actually hurt you in the long run if Serato uses some of its resources to support ME instead of enhancing SSL and Video. For all we know, Serato Video may be the superior product within a year (do you have their development road map?), and a licensing deal would simply extend that road map, hurting both you and Serato Video users.

Some logical and thoughtful points aireyc.

My response:

1. The licencing fee should be $150. Or the trade price of a boxed copy of SV if they plan to offer that. Or ME should only work with an SV licence. People will pay for ME. Because it is better.

2. There has been one significant change which has effected the link between them in 4 years. Not exactly a regular job to keep that updated.

3. Again, don't make it a 'little' cost. Make it substantial. Better value for Serato to get $150 for that, than to develop their own software.

4. Again, ME don't spend time coming up with 'workarounds'. They spend time working on the product. Which Serato have failed to do for 2 years.

The whole point is that ME has existed for years without Serato giving it resources. Licencing the ability to 'plugin' to 2.4 shouldn't require resources from Serato any more than in the past.

Actually, it's the other way around and it's a very similar story to what's happening with Serato & Inklen. Adobe Premier came first and as a matter of fact, FCP is based on Premier. That's why if you compare the interfaces, they are very similar. Well, at least until before the current version.

Back in the 90's, the guy who wrote Premier left Adobe to go work at Macromedia, who at the time wanted to make a video editing software. FCP was born to Macromedia. Later on, Apple bought FCP from Macromedia.

Droid is a phone, Android is the operating system.

Actually, Office has been available for the Mac before Office was even out for the PC. They're complete different programs that do similar functionality. Microsoft has the Mac Business Unit which writes programs specifically for Mac Os. They don't just translate buggy software. Microsoft made this point loud and clear when they renewed their commitment with Apple several years back.

I have a novel idea.....what if the new VSL works better than ME..just saying

Rane is a whole different discussion. My points were simply that this latest upgrade is not the end of the world. 2.4 is not bringing anything new to the table except support for the new mixers. In fact it is taking away more by removing the mixtape feature (at this time) and ME compatibility. If you don't have to have one of the new mixers then everything works perfectly well.

But it won't.

Just saying.

Just saying.

The Serato / Rane partnership may in fact lose some mixer sales because of the switch to Serato Video. However the Serato / Itch controller partnership will gain many more sales because of this switch.

From a sales increase based purely on hardware sales, I see Serato coming out ahead on this.

Im looking at all of this from Rane's standpoint, i coupd care less about video or the bridge but do not like that Rane will lose sales bc of Serato's moves

Will I still be able to rip my vinyl ? Or Should I keep my 57sl?

This whole thing reminds me of how the Sonics got sold and they left Seattle for Oklahoma,
Just like Nick left Serato for Inklen.
Now the Sacramento Kings are about to get possibly sold and Seattle might pick them up, but Serato won't be able to pick up Inklen cause they aren't selling. Just like the Sacramento Mayor said he won't let the kings go.

Understand?

I have been thinking about this for a while now and all this is going to do (adding video to itch) is give bedroom DJ's a chance to go out and take gigs from DJ VJ that have been in the game a long time..... I still use my 1200's, 57, Scratch 2.2, ME 1.7, Dicers.

My point is now it seems like anyone (when itch has video) can go out and by a controller and itch with VSL and call them self a Video DJ.........

Don't get me wrong i am great at what i do and has 2 resident VJ spots but for the people that don't really have a resident spot and have been in the game for a long time this is going to kill them......

**** First we got FreeJ's (bedroom so called dj's that do gigs for free) now we going to have FreeVJ's ****

Has anyone thought about this?????

^ Video for Itch is probably gonna require a very powerful computer and video card, seeing that Itch is already very resource hungry. A lot of "freeVJs" won't be able to run it smoothly on their cheap PC lappys. So... not necessarily

LOL true

VirtualDJ has had video for a long time. Noobs can already do video as easily as audio.

Of course, having a powerful pro tool like ME is a good way to help you set yourself apart, but Serato don't want us to have that anymore.

@ Phatbob... Have you written to Nick at Inklen or started a petition on their forum to make ME standalone. You say you and others would gladly pay. How about getting all of the ME users to donate to help Inklen's R&D develop a standalone version of ME?

Are talking about a totally new DVS system? If not I am not sure how it would be possible to sync the video and audio without there being some sort of communication between the two programs.

I've been in contact with Nick at Inklen.

They aren't going to make a DVS, because Inklen = Nick. One man is not going to make a DVS to compete with Scratch Live.

I think this is where a lot of people are getting it all wrong. Inklen aren't some evil company trying to rip off Serato. Inklen is one guy, making a boutique piece of software and building in features that Serato users can't get from Serato.

Pretty much.

I am not sure if we will see ME working with 2.4 and beyond. Since Nick previously worked at Serato I am sure he had some pretty in-depth knowledge of the source code behind the programs (Scratchlive and VSL). Since they did a complete rewrite of Serato Video I am pretty sure there are some major changes to the code that he wouldn't have access to.

If a new agreement is not reached with Serato then he should explore other options. He could approach NI (Traktor), Avid (Torq), MixVibes or even work with the guys starting that new DVS system called "The One."

Traktor getting video would definitely have an impact on the DVS market.

I would agree that he'd be sensible to do that.

Ultimately, for me:

VideoSL > ME

Scratch Live = Traktor

I'd have no problem swapping to Traktor. But I couldn't go back to VSL.

SV might be better, of course, but that remains to be seen. Certainly the promotional material suggests no improvement.

undercutter vj's hopefully will boost the vj scene and offer competition and reasons to have skills on the DECKS not of your video edits and effects.... has anyone been to a video dj battle lately....?? lol

not how many video edits and effects you have*

I guess i don't have skills on the keys today... lol

honestly give me two turntables two channels a fader and a beer F**K It

+1000000 on above post!! ME is the only program for video... VSL is like playing youtube videos

+1000000000000

fixed

Seriously? lmao....

Let me tell you straight up two features I like better in ME that I like in VSL. The text and graphics feature.

Now, I like how VSL is better when scratch mixing....

But, to say it's like playing youtube videos is MORONIC.... that means that YOU ARE PLAYING YOUTUBE videos. So, pay for a good service and play better videos.

nm

aside, not too get too "off topic" here...

Sixxx I dont know if your aware but there are very powerful fader adjustments in the
the Mix Emergency panels that allow you to tweak how the fader effects the video
(without changing the contour curve on your mixer)
this was implemented for us guys who like to cut, but want the video to react very rapidly (exactly like the physical fader movements)
or a little more subtle on the video so the screen isnt going bezerk when you ripping a boomerang cut...
or somwhere 1/2 way between

you might already know this... but incase you didnt.
when I made the switch I felt the same exact way... then they put that in.

I'm in and out over the weekend, so excuse the intermittent communication, but here goes...


I can't share the roadmap with you unfortunately, and I think the best thing in a situation like this would be action, rather than words.

I'm sorry you feel like we don't communicate enough - we are on the forum all the time, but perhaps we aren't vocal enough. Thanks for the feedback.

Where in the options are these adjustments?

Also, slightly off topic also but since so many ME users are in the house (lol)...

If I have the same video loaded to both decks and the channel faders down on both, the video will show on one deck but not on the other (until I bring up the fader). Is this a setting in SSL/VSL that I need to adjust, or in ME? I want them BOTH to go black when lowered all the way with the volume faders...

There's still discussion happening between us and Inklen.

How to I activate serato video?

I've said this a couple of times in this post, and at the beginning as well, there's still internal discussion going on about Mixtape in 2.4. We'll update you soon on this.

The reason i looked into ME was because one can record the video set. The updates for VLS took too long. When running VSL i have to run another program that uses more CPU from my computer to record my video mix than running ME. My computer is not the greatest but its also no slouch. This is not a complain from at all. Just letting serato know why someone like me looked for an alternative to a product that they provide to hopefully help serato see where the ball was dropped

Thanks. I need to look into this... cause right now I HATE THAT ABOUT ME. Glad there is a "fix" for it. Thanks

@ sixxx...

If you cant see the difference in video quality on your output from ME buy some blueblockers:) they might help... lol

Oh yeah, being able to record video is awesome... though I haven't used it yet. lol

nm

My vision is 20/20.... thanks though. lol

^^^ Get educated yo

Eric N - I'll answer your question about running Serato Video and Video-SL at the same time soon, I just need to double check with the smart guys in the office (I, sadly, am only half nerd).

if you goto the options tab, then transitions.

inside there theres contours(Fot both up, and cross faders), then there is FADER CUT 0-25%

I messed with these...

one cool way to check to see how it flies is to use the IRIS SE transition.
and rip out some fast crabs...
asjust the parameters to your liking....

Theres a prett sweet "money spot" where u get the transitions to barely fire unless u move the fader more than a few CMs.
again... one of the cool things about ME is that it is TOTALLY custoizblle by the user.



again, thanks Brigd for coming and and commo'ing.
I think alot of people (myself included sometimes) exercise their voice as if they were stockholders and are vested in the company....
when in fact we are just users hoping our requests make it into the ears of the actual decision makers,

Thanks Joshua Carl for that input. nm

I'm happy to be here. It's a tough cookie for everyone - for the customers, for us and for Inklen. It's good to get conversation going about it so that we can see all sides of the situation.

Im sure sam is reading :-)

You mean like how ME needs to have a certain setting or it looks like shit as opposed to VSL that look okay without me having to do anything? I agree. Let's get educated YO!

Thank you Brigid and JC!

Awesome comment!

The NBA, NFL, now the dj lock out....... LOL

+666

ha!

I will say this...

When hooking up with composite or even VGA adapters, the picture quality on ME wasn't noticeably better to my eyes. HOWEVER, when I use HDMI, it looks SOOOOO clean.

Well, I only use HDMI... so no wonder. I leave VGA for YOUTUBE noobs. lol

NM

"Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes..."

lol

nm

and while I cant provide any hard "evidence" at this time.
I can tell you (from 2 years on VSL and 1 Year on ME... all at the same club, same TVs)
that ME does put out a superior output quality image.
matter of fact... and it KILLS ME TO ADMIT THIS.
Virtual DJ actually put out a better image that VSL 1.2

but even more applicable to us, is that ME has a master Contrast,saturation,brightness feature... so every time u goto a club you can calibrate accordingly...
(of course with VSL you can go into the 2nd display options and fuss with the gamma and those setting too)

again, not too get too off topic here.
no one has ever really said the VSL in its current incarnation is a superior product.
VSL simply fell victim to some neglect, and ME really just started to get in the zone when that happend.

if anyone has any questions about ME setup and stuff hit me up with a PM, I dont want to derail this anymore than it has to be.
I might have only a year on the software, but my obsessive, compulsive nerdnyness doesnet allow me to NOT delve 100% into something when I get involved with it..lol

LOL, unfortunately not all of the places I play are set up for HDMI to the DJ booth. MANY are either VGA, composite, or S-Video still. :(

Oh damn... tell them to get with it and you'll send them some blueblockers for free. lol

nm

I also like that ME isn't a processor hog. nm

and I hope that Serato Video is NOT a processor hog. nm

amen!!!

i keep a close eye on my CPU (EXCESSIVE AT TIMES) NM,NH