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Information about the Rane Sixty-One, Sixty-Two and Scratch Live 2.4.

Brigid 11:02 PM - 9 February, 2012
Hey guys,

We're really excited about the upcoming release of the new Rane Sixty-One and Sixty-Two for Scratch Live, and we wanted to answer a few questions that we saw floating around.

MIDI Mapping
DJs can only re-map controls on the Rane Sixty-One & Sixty-Two that don't have a dedicated Scratch Live function.

Serato Video
Scratch Live 2.4 will only support Serato Video, not Video-SL. Serato Video is a free upgrade for existing Video-SL customers.

We've rewritten the architecture that Video works on, and as a result, Serato's Video-SL and unsupported third party applications like Inklen's Mix Emergency are no longer compatible.

Live Feed
There is no Live Feed feature for the Rane Sixty-One & Sixty-Two, but it is still available for all previously supported Rane hardware.

Mixtape
The Mixtape feature of The Bridge (.als recording) is unsupported across all hardware in Scratch Live 2.4. We can't really say too much more about it, but we're working on it. We'll have an update on this for you soon.

The last version of Scratch Live to support the features mentioned above is 2.3.3.

Hopefully this clears up a few things up for you. Feel free to ask questions in this thread, and we will answer them the best that we can.
the_black_one 11:13 PM - 9 February, 2012
Well first i wanna thank you for putting things out on the table and cleaning the air.
Eric N 11:43 PM - 9 February, 2012
UGH. :(

We can only hope that Serato Video is SO awesome that it makes Mix Emergency obsolete. Otherwise, this development will alienate a LARGE chunk of Video DJs using Serato. :(
VideoDJQ 11:46 PM - 9 February, 2012
Does this mean the new Rane sixty-one and sixty-two mixers will only work on 2.4 and above?
the_black_one 11:47 PM - 9 February, 2012
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Does this mean the new Rane sixty-one and sixty-two mixers will only work on 2.4 and above?



yep
BERTO 11:48 PM - 9 February, 2012
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Does this mean the new Rane sixty-one and sixty-two mixers will only work on 2.4 and above?

What if the release is buggy?
KiddKutt 11:52 PM - 9 February, 2012
Not being able to record in als is a HUGE problem! I mix for 2 radio stations and record in als. all the time. This is gonna make a negative impact on my workflow. I don't understand this change. This is the only reason I haven't made the move to Traktor. Can you maybe explain the reasoning of this a little more in depth.
KiddKutt 11:56 PM - 9 February, 2012
The sad thing is I own a 57 and an sl3 and I have already made a deposit on the 62. Looks like I better go get my money back!
410music 11:57 PM - 9 February, 2012
Will Video be able to record?
VideoDJQ 11:58 PM - 9 February, 2012
The reasoning seems simple. For every sale that Inklen makes with MixEmergency, that's one less sale that that Serato makes with Video-SL or now Serato Video. I'm actually surprised Serato let this go on as long as they did and didn't close that door sooner.
Res-Q 11:59 PM - 9 February, 2012
Damn I love Serato for audio, love ME for the video, and love Rane for the hardware, and now I'm like a kid witnessing his parents divorce, and I'm torn in the middle.
Joshua Carl 12:01 AM - 10 February, 2012
I will but Serato video 5 times if Im allowed to use Mix emergency.

and that NOT an exaggeration in one iota.
BattleFunk 12:01 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Can you maybe explain the reasoning of this a little more in depth.


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We can't really say too much more about it, but we're working on it. We'll have an update on this for you soon


Reading between the lines it looks like Ableton are removing as much baggage as they can before the release of 9. It would be a wise move after the trainwreck of bugs that Live 8 was.

Maybe mixtape will come back once they've released Live 9 and are done with the debugging? Less to go wrong during the launch? Or maybe the release of Live 9 takes care of the Mixtape feature in a newer, better way?

Its fun to speculate, but not fun knowing you're trapped with an older version of Scratch Live for... ever.
KiddKutt 12:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
@videodjq I could care less about the video aspect. Im only talking about the mixtape feature.
the_black_one 12:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
so dont update and continue to use ME
DJAK_SA 12:04 AM - 10 February, 2012
Wow,I don't know why you guys would do that to so many loyal djs. Now I guess I can wait for Mix Emergency to be compatible with Traktor. Hopefully serato video will finally be on the level as M.E. if so I will stay...I just have to wait & see I guess.
KiddKutt 12:05 AM - 10 February, 2012
Im sure mix emergency will find a way around this in the next release.
BattleFunk 12:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
... Maybe the removal of Mixtape was due to it being a colab feature between Serato and Ableton

Maybe Serato have worked out a way to do it without Ableton - so Mixtape will no longer be around, but something new in its place that works with other DAW's is about to arrive?
the_black_one 12:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
i feel a break up between abelton coming
BERTO 12:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hate to say it but Serato is going to lose a lot of loyal users due to the ME thing and piss alot of Ableton license owners that paid how much for mixtape function. #SOPA (Serato Against People with Ableton)
Joshua Carl 12:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
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#SOPA (Serato Against People with Ableton)


now thats clever right there...lmfao!
the_black_one 12:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
BTW.... this is gonna be the hotted discussion for a minute
the_black_one 12:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
hotted =hottest
BERTO 12:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
Lol i mean opposes not against
BERTO 12:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
Wheres dj eloy ?
Paging Eloy
........Eloy.......Eloy
Brigid 12:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
I'll tell you one thing, there is no break up going on between us and Ableton.
devastator 12:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
there goes the sales for the mixer
BattleFunk 12:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
I smell a Live 9 conspiracy...
the_black_one 12:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'll tell you one thing, there is no break up going on between us and Ableton.

NICE!!!!!
BERTO 12:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'll tell you one thing, there is no break up going on between us and Ableton.

Good, Brigid, respect for coming on here and clearing things up as they develop. :) i always have faith in you guys.
CFLO 12:15 AM - 10 February, 2012
dropping support for, i mean BLOCKING support to, MixEmergency is a big issue here. every single top tier Video DJ in the game uses and endorses MixEmergency as a superior product to VSL / Serato Video. by alienating your professional customer base as a trade off to allow some itch users to now be able to spin video is going to cause major uproar in the community... Serato had 2 years of no updates to VSL to come out with a kick-ass new program when they launched Serato Video. with no major developments over time, and MixEmergency STILL leagues ahead of Serato Video, Serato has effectively spit in the face of professional video DJs.

the only major video DJ competition in the world, the WMC VJ Battle, is proof of the professional users that support mix emergency. EVERY SINGLE DJ who placed did their set using MixEmergency.

trying to force a top-down, apple like ecosystem for your product make sense, IF your product is launched in an enclosed ecosystem and works better than the competition... but you can't just convert a shit product into a closed ecosystem after it's been launched for several years.

this is my first rant, and will not be my last.

expect to be hearing from the rest of the guys soon enough.
Eloy Garcia 12:17 AM - 10 February, 2012
#SOPA (Serato Against People with Ableton) <---- Thats mad funny!

AND FUCK SERATO FOR KILLING ME SUPPORT!
VideoDJQ 12:17 AM - 10 February, 2012
I'm fine using an older version of Scratch just to continue using ME. It just sucks that I pre-ordered a sixty already and was so looking forward to playing on it :-(
CFLO 12:18 AM - 10 February, 2012
to quote some video dudes you might have heard of.

"Mix Emergency has changed the way I video DJ. With easy to use amazing effects and also the random transition mode, it has helped me take less time out of thinking about what effects to use, and use more of that time into concentrating on my mixes." - DJ Phlipz

"Mix Emergency has taken my live sets to the next level. From effects to transitions to customizability, Mix Emergency really has it all. It's also extremely stable... I'm glad I made the switch!" - Brett B

"Mix Emergency allows me to focus primarily on the audio of my sets without the use of repetitive transitions." - DJ Yona

"The ability to record my sets in Mix Emergency has been a blessing..." - DJ Ice

"The latest feature I can't live without is Syphon support. Mix Emergency's ability to utilize programs like Mad Mapper and Resolume Avenue has opened so many creative possibilities for me." - g-force

"Mix Emergency is the PREMIER software for Video DJs. I am constantly recommending it to other Video DJs who haven't made the switch." - DJ SteveR

"Hands down, Mix Emergency is the most stable software, as well as more consumer focused - from customization of transitions and effects to midi functions and mapping." - DJ DEFT

"Mix Emergency's flexibility and options make it the best piece of software available to Video DJs. It allows complete customization and my video sets have changed dramatically since I started using it. Nick, the software developer, continually adds features and plugins to keep things fresh, and has really listened to what the Video DJ community wants from a video program." - C.FLO
the_black_one 12:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
Lets keep it real for a minute. Serato knew that ME had them beat ages ago. The studied thr competition and came out with the new video plug in. lets see if they did their homework and beat ME and made a better product
tauhid 12:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
All I want to know before purchase of the new hardware is does it support time code for software other than serato as it has been advertised with a multi channel soundcard...would love to use this Mixer with several different types of DVS timecodes that would solve my mixer juggling problems between the 57sl and Pioneer DJM T1
CFLO 12:20 AM - 10 February, 2012
fuck it, i'm on 1.9.2 anyway, it's not like i would have upgraded to 2.4 even if it DID Have ME support...........

come out with a good, stable piece of software, that doesn't crash or rewrite tags during a live set, and doesn't DROP features it used to have. maybe then i'd consider buying a new piece of rane hardware. (pioneer 800 + SL1 still kicks ass)
DJ Prinvale` 12:20 AM - 10 February, 2012
doesn't impact me, but thanks!

now release 2.4!!!
CFLO 12:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
fuck it, i'm on 1.9.2 anyway, it's not like i would have upgraded to 2.4 even if it DID Have ME support...........

come out with a good, stable piece of software, that doesn't crash or rewrite tags during a live set, and doesn't DROP features it used to have. maybe then i'd consider buying a new piece of rane hardware. (pioneer 800 + SL1 still kicks ass)
Joshua Carl 12:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
this will mark the first time since the TTM52i and mp24z that I did not buy,or Recommend for my Install jobs, the latest and greatest Rane mixer....
Ive owned every one, installed every one... demanded everyone in riders...

not making it backwards compatible, and nixing ME support.

I love you to death Rane, I will always refer to your products as the best sounding, best presented, most user efficient product with unrivaled tech support to the DJ community.

but your partner is throwing you under the bus here.... get em in check please.
Your loyal customers and devout following are begging.
BattleFunk 12:28 AM - 10 February, 2012
I see a lot of you QUEENS are bitching about how bad Serato Video is...

When was it released again?
Trinicapone 12:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'll tell you one thing, there is no break up going on between us and Ableton.

See from that makes me feel something big is coming! You guys was at NAMM 2012 not saying nothing about Bridge or any Serato features for that matter. I think Ableton is gonna release the backward spin for the Bridge and fyi to those of you who don't know Ableton can edit video sooooo ME may not be supported for something just like it or better! As for mix tape that may get a new name and feature!
VJ Justin Allen 12:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
lol I love the "outrageous" demands and threats that people are making.

Bottom line is that ME is a third party company that was costing Serato money. I would have killed them years ago if it were me. And not picking on ME, cause I think it is a terrific product...but that is just the way business is done. Serato has every right to block them, change their code, whatever they want to do.

I noticed that Nick has just said that ME 2.0 is out around March 1st...why don't we all see what happens over the next 45 days before threatening the internet wrath of death on everyone.


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AND FUCK SERATO FOR KILLING ME SUPPORT!

Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy.
Joshua Carl 12:32 AM - 10 February, 2012
serato.com

nuff said.

unless their the first company in the history of existence to not highlight the hot new features of a release....
your looking at it.
VideoDJQ 12:32 AM - 10 February, 2012
hahaha wait.. I gotta go make some popcorn real quick. After the "queens" and "classy" comments this shit is about to get good LOL
BERTO 12:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
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serato.com

nuff said.

unless their the first company in the history of existence to not highlight the hot new features of a release....
your looking at it.

Explain plz
djpuma_gemini 12:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
I'm glad I didn't get a 62 and Serato has every right to restrict any 3rd party apps.
Do I endorse it, hell fuck no.
I'm keeping my 57 and 2.2 until something else comes along.

Hopefully Inklen is hard at work to get ME to work with 2.4, but it doesn't matter to me as 2.2 and my 57 are all I need.
devastator 12:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm glad I didn't get a 62 and Serato has every right to restrict any 3rd party apps.
Do I endorse it, hell fuck no.
I'm keeping my 57 and 2.2 until something else comes along.

Hopefully Inklen is hard at work to get ME to work with 2.4, but it doesn't matter to me as 2.2 and my 57 are all I need.



weerd
BERTO 12:38 AM - 10 February, 2012
But when it comes to bootleg Control records Serato only releases limited prints and the bootlegers thrive....ps i dont own any bootleg control records just a point
djpuma_gemini 12:38 AM - 10 February, 2012
I knew this was coming for a while (not knew from sources, but felt it) and confirmed it today.

Anyone who pre-ordered a 62 and is a video dj better send them back.
aireyc 12:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I knew this was coming for a while (not knew from sources, but felt it) and confirmed it today.

Anyone who pre-ordered a 62 and is a video dj better send them back.


Because everybody uses ME...
vybe 12:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
damn glad i didn't dive right into the 62...for once being broke paid off! :-D
djpuma_gemini 12:44 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I knew this was coming for a while (not knew from sources, but felt it) and confirmed it today.

Anyone who pre-ordered a 62 and is a video dj better send them back.


Because everybody uses ME...


Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.
Wasnt sure if this was a statement or question.
Dj JesC 12:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
@ Brigid will we still be able to run SSL 2.3.3 along with 2.4 and share the same _Serato_ folder?

Im asking for those that use the Mixtape feat, to keep 2.3.3 for recording & 2.4 for gig use.
BattleFunk 12:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
I think there might be a few people on this forum jumping the gun a bit

Nobody knows if Serato Video is bad or good yet, it could be that they've bought the ME code and rebadged it for all we know

Also, I think some of you forget that this is Serato - the company that put a video game inside the software and hides new features from us to find in the form of Easter Eggs every now and then. Surely they wouldnt be so harsh as to remove these features without having something to replace them up their sleeves? ...Right?
BERTO 12:47 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I think there might be a few people on this forum jumping the gun a bit

Nobody knows if Serato Video is bad or good yet, it could be that they've bought the ME code and rebadged it for all we know

Also, I think some of you forget that this is Serato - the company that put a video game inside the software and hides new features from us to find in the form of Easter Eggs every now and then. Surely they wouldnt be so harsh as to remove these features without having something to replace them up their sleeves? ...Right?


I agree on jumping the gun comment, but they need to clarify what they are doing so people dont begin jumping ship....
BERTO 12:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
And not buying the 62 mixers which hurt Rane....
Eloy Garcia 12:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
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AND FUCK SERATO FOR KILLING ME SUPPORT!

Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy.


Stop making this so personal "VJ Justin Allen"

I am not going to waste my time with you man!
ttRomeo 12:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm glad I didn't get a 62 and Serato has every right to restrict any 3rd party apps.
Do I endorse it, hell fuck no.
I'm keeping my 57 and 2.2 until something else comes along.

Hopefully Inklen is hard at work to get ME to work with 2.4, but it doesn't matter to me as 2.2 and my 57 are all I need.



Damm right Puma..I KEEPING MY 2.2 ALSO AND MY 57
VJ Justin Allen 12:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.


How arrogant are you??

I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do. Oh, and I have been doing video for the last 8 years and listening to everyone say that ME is the only way you can video rock your crowd is truly pathetic. If that's the case just quit your residency now...

I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.
DJ Prinvale` 12:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
We live in an entitlement society.

All these people thinking they are entitled to everything their hearts desire with no regards to anything else.

Wish people would take a step back and look at how ridiculous they sound before they post a rant on the internet.

go team Serato (and Rane of course)
WillStyles 12:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
Blocking ME support would be acceptable if Serato Video was up to par with it or more advanced, however it isn't. I'll have to agree with C.Flo, this is a huge step back for video DJs.
Joshua Carl 12:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
come on guys...

we arent talking about speculation here.

this was an OFFICIAL PRODUCT RELEASE from serato.
we've seen all the videos from namm for weeks now.

what company in their right might would let a program with 2 years of hibernation
have a press release that DIDNT have the newest features?
what company would goto a show like namm and now show off their new hotness.

easter eggs are one thing, little bells and whistles are another.
but if you look at the last 1/2 decade of press release for every product people have specualted up UNTIL the press release...
so the press release is done, NAMM is done....
history has shown that this company has been relatively straight to the point with
its press releases.

I would love to believe that somehow theres a rabbit in the hat. but history dictates otherwise... and those who dont learn from history; are damned to repeat it.
djpuma_gemini 12:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.


How arrogant are you??

I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do. Oh, and I have been doing video for the last 8 years and listening to everyone say that ME is the only way you can video rock your crowd is truly pathetic. If that's the case just quit your residency now...

I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.


Well seeing as how most video dj's I know or that are high up in the game use ME. I don't hear smashvidz saying use VSL.
Not arrogant if it's correct.
BERTO 12:55 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.


So as a loyal serato customer, put yourself in the spot of Serato and losing all the Serato/ME customers.....its not a good thing, and yea Serato Video may be amazing and better, but they have to clarify whats really going on so people dont jump ship prematurely.
Res-Q 12:55 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do.

curious about what u can do with VSL that ME cant do?????
djdannyd 12:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
The more I thought about the mix tape feature not being there on 2.4 the more I can to realize that it won't bother me that much. I can always keep 2.3.3 and use the mix tape feature there and use 2.6 with my sixty two. I'm really excited about video as well , I never used ME at all so I can't comment of how I feel about not being supported on 2.4 but what I will say is that it is about time Serato did something about it.

As far as I know the bridge will still work with 2.4 just not mix tape, like I mentioned before, this is something that I can live with until the issues get resolved. I never did care much for Live feed...

Go Serato, Rane & Ableton.
BattleFunk 12:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Blocking ME support would be acceptable if Serato Video was up to par with it or more advanced, however it isn't. I'll have to agree with C.Flo, this is a huge step back for video DJs.


Its out in March? How stupid do you feel now?
Trinicapone 12:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.


How arrogant are you??

I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do. Oh, and I have been doing video for the last 8 years and listening to everyone say that ME is the only way you can video rock your crowd is truly pathetic. If that's the case just quit your residency now...

I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.



For REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dj Nyce 12:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
Damn. I use ME and I just pre-ordered a 62. If what you say is true, i will be sending that shit back. I'll keep using my TTM 57, SSL 2.3.3 and ME until i have arthritis.
BattleFunk 12:58 AM - 10 February, 2012
Joshua Carl - Heard of Musik Messe?

There is more to life than NAMM.
MADLOGIC the Selectah 1:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
Wow!
Joshua Carl 1:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
Nope... i always goto the WMC that week...
BattleFunk 1:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Nope... i always goto the WMC that week...


Regardless, my point was, there is more than one trade show to release new gear each year - a couple of NAMM's, a BPM, PLASA, MusikMesse...

Maybe they thought releasing 2 new mixers was enough for the press in January and have saved the next phase of promo for the next big conference (MusikMesse)
djpuma_gemini 1:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
Nope. Serato video is vsl with a new name and new code.
SSDD
same serato different day
Res-Q 1:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
and there's the MixMove early march too
BERTO 1:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Nope. Serato video is vsl with a new name and new code.
SSDD
same serato different day

Im sure this isnt entirely true
DJBIGWIZ 1:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
hahaha... it's so funny how quick ME users are to let you know that ME is a stand alone program and doesn't need Scratch Live whenever you point out that ME needs SL but as soon as ME gets blocked form working with SL they lose their fuc*ing minds. hahaha
VideoDJQ 1:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do.


DAT SHYT CRAY (kanye voice)
djdannyd 1:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
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hahaha... it's so funny how quick ME users are to let you know that ME is a stand alone program and doesn't need Scratch Live whenever you point out that ME needs SL but as soon as ME gets blocked form working with SL they lose their fuc*ing minds. hahaha

+10000000.99
djdannyd 1:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Joshua Carl - Heard of Musik Messe?

There is more to life than NAMM.

and serato will be there!
musik.messefrankfurt.com
DJBIGWIZ 1:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do.

curious about what u can do with VSL that ME cant do?????

work with new versions of scratch live hahahaha j/k
=)
I couldn't resist.
BERTO 1:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do.

curious about what u can do with VSL that ME cant do?????

work with new versions of scratch live hahahaha j/k
=)
I couldn't resist.

That was funny lmao
djdannyd 1:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
^^^Lol
Res-Q 1:15 AM - 10 February, 2012
not funny; but very true indeed; thats the only thing it can do Wiz
DJBIGWIZ 1:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
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not funny; but very true indeed; thats the only thing it can do Wiz

c'mon Res... you know that shit was funny! =)

You'll be able to look back on it one day and laugh.
BERTO 1:24 AM - 10 February, 2012
Just for arguments sake lets bring in dicetools....now thats free so its ok? Right?
VJ Justin Allen 1:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
My system is different because when I purchased Serato and VSL it was not the first time I had ever done video. I use Modul8, Edirol V4's and distribution amps to handle VSL output, lower thirds and flying graphics, customized logos, live twitter feeds, 3 camera feeds, and just about anything else I can think of.

Yes, it is more equipment and costs more that ME does...but I already had it...and I just kept using it. I love the transitions and some of the other features that ME has over VSL....but it will not "get me fired" or "embarrass me" nor will the customers ever notice if I don't have any of the extra stuff.

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. The bottom line however, for me, is that the AUDIO position of ScratchLive is more important than the video part. And even if I had nothing but Serato Video, and even if Serato Video was exactly like VSL...I wouldn't care.

Serato has taken a plug-in (VSL) that they have ignored for far too long, and re-wrote it from the ground up. SO sure, maybe it will be the same as VSL when it comes out...maybe it will be better...maybe it will be the second coming of video software...I don;t care. Serato is FINALLY showing some love to their video plug-in and I honestly believe that no matter how it looks when it is released...with 6 months it will be vastly improved!
Res-Q 1:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
yes it was funny you're right, but my comment saying "thats the only thing it can do" is even funnier :-)
Brigid 1:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
Ok I'll try and tackle this the best I can.

Mix Emergency is not our product. We understand that our customers are also Mix Emergency customers, which is why this is a tough situation for us. Inklen are the best people to talk to about this, and they're aware of the situation.

Video-SL/Serato Video is our product. We understand that some of our customers are frustrated with the lack of new features and updates for Video-SL and we're going to be working hard this year to turn that around.

The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this.

Serato Video includes a big rewrite of the architecture behind it, which gives us the best possible foundation this year for development.

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See from that makes me feel something big is coming!

Come on guys, please don't read between the lines! :)

I'm trying to be as transparent as possible - I'm not trying to write a riddle for you to solve haha.
Brigid 1:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
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@ Brigid will we still be able to run SSL 2.3.3 along with 2.4 and share the same _Serato_ folder?

Im asking for those that use the Mixtape feat, to keep 2.3.3 for recording & 2.4 for gig use.

Yep, you can do this for sure - there are no library changes from 2.3.3 to 2.4, so you'll be sweet. Although 2.3.3 won't work with the new mixers, and we advise against running two versions of SSL or ITCH at the same time.

For example, you can play on 2.3.3 one night, and then DJ on 2.4 the next day, and not worry about any library compatibility issues.
FunkyRob 1:47 AM - 10 February, 2012
I'm going back to VHS tapes
VideoDJQ 1:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid, just to be clear the new rane mixers will only be compatible with 2.4 and above?
Brigid 1:49 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Will Video be able to record?

Not in Serato Video 1.0.
Brigid 1:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Brigid, just to be clear the new rane mixers will only be compatible with 2.4 and above?

Yes this is correct. This is the way it's worked for every new piece of hardware we've brought out.
VJ Justin Allen 1:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
Thanks Brigid for all of the updates.
Joshua Carl 1:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Brigid, just to be clear the new rane mixers will only be compatible with 2.4 and above?

thats already been confirmed here in the forums... forget where exactly.

"The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this." -quote

so, by that rational if Inklen can fix the "disconnect" problem on their end,
there should be no reason why it will no longer be supported right?

provided no effort, or resources are contributed to re-establishing the connect are
paid out of serato's pocket.

hey, if thats all it takes , Im happy with that.... i know Inklen will get it done.
nik39 2:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
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My system is different because when I purchased Serato and VSL it was not the first time I had ever done video. I use Modul8, Edirol V4's and distribution amps to handle VSL output, lower thirds and flying graphics, customized logos, live twitter feeds, 3 camera feeds, and just about anything else I can think of.

Yes, it is more equipment and costs more that ME does...but I already had it...and I just kept using it. I love the transitions and some of the other features that ME has over VSL....but it will not "get me fired" or "embarrass me" nor will the customers ever notice if I don't have any of the extra stuff.

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. The bottom line however, for me, is that the AUDIO position of ScratchLive is more important than the video part. And even if I had nothing but Serato Video, and even if Serato Video was exactly like VSL...I wouldn't care.

Serato has taken a plug-in (VSL) that they have ignored for far too long, and re-wrote it from the ground up. SO sure, maybe it will be the same as VSL when it comes out...maybe it will be better...maybe it will be the second coming of video software...I don;t care. Serato is FINALLY showing some love to their video plug-in and I honestly believe that no matter how it looks when it is released...with 6 months it will be vastly improved!

Please spare us your nut swigging. Please spare us a pissing match contest. Please don't start the "I am such a good VJ". You have shown your (not only technical) incompetence multiple times on this forum, ESPECIALLY when it comes to VJING. I could start quoting all the technical nonsense you wrote on the forum and you still claim that you were right. PLEASE, don't.

There are a lot of competent VJs in here. They should be able to compare the pros and cons of VSL/SV and ME.

I trust the professional VJ's opinion like Eloy, Joshua Carl, Millz, Jay E, Jordan Laws, 2nd Nature, Puma, Joachim Garraud, DJ Cheeba... ;)
VJ Justin Allen 2:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
Nik, let me say this nice and clear as every time I post something you seem to take it as a personal attack on you....even when you have nothing to do with the discussion.

Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that.
Res-Q 2:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Nik, let me say this nice and clear as every time I post something you seem to take it as a personal attack on you....even when you have nothing to do with the discussion.

Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that.


way to stay classy
Michael R 2:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
nik39, VJ Justin Allen:

Chill out you two. You're both adults, behave appropriately. I don't want to hear anymore from you two going on about each other in this thread.
VJ Justin Allen 2:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
My apologies to everyone else on this forum...however Nik is a complete dick and this is the end of his continued bullshit and misrepresentation of the facts.
Res-Q 2:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
funny how you blame one person for saying something (Eloy) and now you do the exact same thing to another one. very profesional imo
DJBRIANM 2:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
So if you have a 68 and 62 can you run the soon to be released 2.4
Brigid 2:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So if you have a 68 and 62 can you run the soon to be released 2.4

Yep, that's right.
Dj JesC 2:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Yep, you can do this for sure - there are no library changes from 2.3.3 to 2.4, so you'll be sweet. Although 2.3.3 won't work with the new mixers, and we advise against running two versions of SSL or ITCH at the same time.

For example, you can play on 2.3.3 one night, and then DJ on 2.4 the next day, and not worry about any library compatibility issues.


Thanks for the info Brigid, I'll try to ask a harder question next time.
BERTO 2:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So if you have a 68 and 62 can you run the soon to be released 2.4

correct
Joshua Carl 2:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
BERTO 2:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
sl1 still works with 2.4 correct?
Joshua Carl 2:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:


"The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this." -quote

so, by that rational if Inklen can fix the "disconnect" problem on their end,
there should be no reason why it will no longer be supported right?

provided no effort, or resources are contributed to re-establishing the connect are
paid out of serato's pocket.

hey, if thats all it takes , Im happy with that.... i know Inklen will get it done.


BEFORE THIS TURNED INTO THE DOUBLE DOUCE FROM ROADHOUSE,
Dj JesC 2:12 AM - 10 February, 2012


+1
Brigid 2:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
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sl1 still works with 2.4 correct?

Correct!
BERTO 2:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Quote:
sl1 still works with 2.4 correct?

Correct!

just checking im still rockin the 56 and sl1
Brigid 2:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
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so, by that rational if Inklen can fix the "disconnect" problem on their end,
there should be no reason why it will no longer be supported right?

You'll have to talk to Inklen about this one. Remember, ME was never supported by Serato.
DjWoody 2:15 AM - 10 February, 2012
This reminds me of when people hijack their iPhones and then BAM! Apple bricks them. lol
VideoDJQ 2:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
hahahahahaha Josh I love the popcorn clip! Me and KJ are cracking up at this shit!
DjWoody 2:18 AM - 10 February, 2012
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lol I love the "outrageous" demands and threats that people are making.

Bottom line is that ME is a third party company that was costing Serato money. I would have killed them years ago if it were me. And not picking on ME, cause I think it is a terrific product...but that is just the way business is done. Serato has every right to block them, change their code, whatever they want to do.


Imagine if Adobe blocks Photoshop so that no one else can make Plugins for it. Than again, Apple did blocked Flash from their precious iPhone.
the_black_one 2:18 AM - 10 February, 2012
so lets take a break and group it all up. New mixers only work with 2.4 (NOT OUT YET). The new video plug in from serato will not be able to record your video mix. The _Serato_ folder is compatible with 2.3.3 and the up and coming 2.4 . ME is aware of the incompatibly with 2.4 .
Read between the lines to get the Easter eggs.
DJ Tapout 2:20 AM - 10 February, 2012
Well it looks like i will be cancelling my order for the new rane 62z also, i pre ordered on Feb 2nd
I will stick with my 57, 2.2, and ME and my dicers............
DJ'Que 2:22 AM - 10 February, 2012
So Why is everybody complaining about there decision to cann ME. he stole money from them point blank. Inklen Worked for them and betrayed there trust if you ask me. What if a new dj was stealing your gigs every time you try and stay above water but he would go down on his price's to continue to beat your price. what would you do. Serato & Rane Did the right thing by doing what they did. Im sure pioneer or Traktor would of been shut down inklen if he was doing that to there video if they had one. If 500 people brought ME and never vsl that's 500 that could of went to R&D work. Your crying over there decision like it was never go happen. One reason Vsl hasn't had a updrade. Good Job Serato & Rane
benictrs 2:22 AM - 10 February, 2012
guys this is pretty simple theoreticaly they have made the new serato video somehow to be similar with the serato intro from the busines point of view . if inklen agrees too pay an amount for every new me user / upgrader (from the last vesionto the new one) , then me will work with ssl 2.4 . my 2 cent .
VideoDJQ 2:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
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so lets take a break and group it all up. New mixers only work with 2.4 (NOT OUT YET). The new video plug in from serato will not be able to record your video mix. The _Serato_ folder is compatible with 2.3.3 and the up and coming 2.4 . ME is aware of the incompatibly with 2.4 .
Read between the lines to get the Easter eggs.


yeah I don't even think this is an issue anymore as long as Serato is still willing to play nice with Inklen. (even though I really can't understand why they would)
Why doesn't Serato just partner up with Inklen and/or offer Nick a great opportunity with the company and call it a day?
DjWoody 2:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So Why is everybody complaining about there decision to cann ME. he stole money from them point blank. Inklen Worked for them and betrayed there trust if you ask me. What if a new dj was stealing your gigs every time you try and stay above water but he would go down on his price's to continue to beat your price. what would you do. Serato & Rane Did the right thing by doing what they did. Im sure pioneer or Traktor would of been shut down inklen if he was doing that to there video if they had one. If 500 people brought ME and never vsl that's 500 that could of went to R&D work. Your crying over there decision like it was never go happen. One reason Vsl hasn't had a updrade. Good Job Serato & Rane


Again, I don't see Adobe blocking developers from creating plugins that improve on their own. You know how many Photoshop plugins are there that improve on Adobe's own? A LOT!
Culprit 2:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid, thanks for the update.

Honestly.. i can live with my 57SL and SSL2.3.3. I have my vsl licence so I will upgrade once you guys have caught up with mix emergency.

My only fear is that you guys have so many projects your working on currently. I dont know how big your dev team is, but where one project gets love, the other gets put on the back burner.. sometimes for long periods of time..

I think having that dedicated project team (ie inken yes i know unofficial) does relieve stress , unless you guys are going to have a dedicated team for vsl.

For one, no recording in serato video.. but its a feature already implemented in mix emergency. That being said, can we get a time frame for this? With this being the first release, can you tell us when were going to get another release?

Does this also coincide with the rebuild process for the new ssl which was mentioned before?

That does not even include projects like dj intro or itch which also need love too.

Also does not include members of your dev team who might drop for other jobs which could also delay projects..

cutting support for mix emergency, is like telling your customers "use this or go somewhere else", to which the response might be to go somewhere else..
jevo9 2:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
im about to cancel my order for the 62Z and pick up a 900 nexus.. im not saying serato is bad but this whole new change is very strange, i truly hope it means that something better is coming out...
Culprit 2:28 AM - 10 February, 2012
also, while typing this as i pressed post this plays on my pandora

"I'm listening to "Neither One Of Us (Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye)" by Gladys Knight & The Pips on Pandora"

weird signs huh...
VJ Justin Allen 2:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
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cutting support for mix emergency, is like telling your customers "use this or go somewhere else", to which the response might be to go somewhere else..


The problem however is...where else are you going to go? Traktor does not do video and while there are a few other programs, most of them are either too new to have a good reputation...or they have a bad reputation.

This is just a change that had to be made.
Trinicapone 2:30 AM - 10 February, 2012
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lol I love the "outrageous" demands and threats that people are making.

Bottom line is that ME is a third party company that was costing Serato money. I would have killed them years ago if it were me. And not picking on ME, cause I think it is a terrific product...but that is just the way business is done. Serato has every right to block them, change their code, whatever they want to do.


Imagine if Adobe blocks Photoshop so that no one else can make Plugins for it. Than again, Apple did blocked Flash from their precious iPhone.





just uncalled for!
Culprit 2:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Quote:
cutting support for mix emergency, is like telling your customers "use this or go somewhere else", to which the response might be to go somewhere else..


The problem however is...where else are you going to go? Traktor does not do video and while there are a few other programs, most of them are either too new to have a good reputation...or they have a bad reputation.

This is just a change that had to be made.


for now, il stick to using me w/ ssl 2.3.3 until serato video can step its game up, or wait for someone else to come out with something.

Kind of obvious no?
nik39 2:32 AM - 10 February, 2012
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My system is different because when I purchased Serato and VSL it was not the first time I had ever done video. I use Modul8, Edirol V4's and distribution amps to handle VSL output, lower thirds and flying graphics, customized logos, live twitter feeds, 3 camera feeds, and just about anything else I can think of.

Yes, it is more equipment and costs more that ME does...but I already had it...and I just kept using it. I love the transitions and some of the other features that ME has over VSL....but it will not "get me fired" or "embarrass me" nor will the customers ever notice if I don't have any of the extra stuff.

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. The bottom line however, for me, is that the AUDIO position of ScratchLive is more important than the video part. And even if I had nothing but Serato Video, and even if Serato Video was exactly like VSL...I wouldn't care.

Serato has taken a plug-in (VSL) that they have ignored for far too long, and re-wrote it from the ground up. SO sure, maybe it will be the same as VSL when it comes out...maybe it will be better...maybe it will be the second coming of video software...I don;t care. Serato is FINALLY showing some love to their video plug-in and I honestly believe that no matter how it looks when it is released...with 6 months it will be vastly improved!

Please spare us your nut swigging. Please spare us a pissing match contest. Please don't start the "I am such a good VJ". You have shown your (not only technical) incompetence multiple times on this forum, ESPECIALLY when it comes to VJING. I could start quoting all the technical nonsense you wrote on the forum and you still claim that you were right. PLEASE, don't.

There are a lot of competent VJs in here. They should be able to compare the pros and cons of VSL/SV and ME.

I trust the professional VJ's opinion like Eloy, Joshua Carl, Millz, Jay E, Jordan Laws, 2nd Nature, Puma, Joachim Garraud, DJ Cheeba... ;)

Sorry, for sounding hard.... I was tearing down my equipment when I wrote this.

What I wanted to say:

You said that you can all this extra stuff on your setup which you can't do in ME. I haven't seen any video from you demonstrating this, whereas I have seen dope videos from the mentioned names backing up what they were able to do (in ME as well as in VSL, Joachim and Cheebar are VSL users). I'd like to see an example.
DJ'Que 2:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So Why is everybody complaining about there decision to cann ME. he stole money from them point blank. Inklen Worked for them and betrayed there trust if you ask me. What if a new dj was stealing your gigs every time you try and stay above water but he would go down on his price's to continue to beat your price. what would you do. Serato & Rane Did the right thing by doing what they did. Im sure pioneer or Traktor would of been shut down inklen if he was doing that to there video if they had one. If 500 people brought ME and never vsl that's 500 that could of went to R&D work. Your crying over there decision like it was never go happen. One reason Vsl hasn't had a updrade. Good Job Serato & Rane


Again, I don't see Adobe blocking developers from creating plugins that improve on their own. You know how many Photoshop plugins are there that improve on Adobe's own? A LOT!
but you have to buy adobe for any plugin to work. if you dont have adobe what good is a plugin???? so with ME it went from needing vsl demo to work to nothing at all to get ME to work. So Serato rewrote the codes and check this. inklen dont work for them no more so he dont have the codes to start with now. unless serato give it to him.
Joshua Carl 2:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
"had" to made?
Was the state of the free world in jeopardy?

Nope. People's future walletts.
nik39 2:34 AM - 10 February, 2012
Please disregards my last post.

Sorry, I didn't see your post Michael. I won't interact with VJ Justin Allen in this thread.
Trinicapone 2:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
You know whats FUCK UP! If you had to pay for these updates these forums would be so quiet. Most of you are complaining about shit thats free. IMHO let Serato do their thing! Brigid made it all clear. I will still order my 62 when its mass produced until then I'm dun cause all of you that are complaining are gonna be the same ones supporting Serato in the end!
dpetree 2:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
Yup, Same here..I just told the club to order me a 62 and they agreed... guess i will be canceling that order too

Stick'n with what works with ME
DJBIGWIZ 2:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Why doesn't Serato just partner up with Inklen and/or offer Nick a great opportunity with the company and call it a day?

or why doesn't Inklen and/or Nick try to partner up with Serato?
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cutting support for mix emergency, is like telling your customers "use this or go somewhere else",

ummm.... they can't really "cut" support for ME when they never offered support for ME.. ME is NOT a Serato product nor is it endorsed, supported, approved, etc... from or by Serato
nik39 2:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hey Brigid, just to make sure... when you said:

Quote:
Mixtape
The Mixtape feature of The Bridge (.als recording) is unsupported across all hardware in Scratch Live 2.4. We can't really say too much more about it, but we're working on it. We'll have an update on this for you soon.

... does this really mean that mixtape can't be used even on the 68 and 57 from SL 2.4 (and later) anymore?
Michael R 2:37 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Sorry, I didn't see your post Michael. I won't interact with VJ Justin Allen in this thread.

No worries. You can interact, just keep the personal insults out of it. This thread is important and we don't want it locked as people need to have their say regarding all of this.
Culprit 2:38 AM - 10 February, 2012
@djbigwiz

whaddup wiz, i worded it wrong obviously.. but you understood what i meant.. right?
DJ'Que 2:39 AM - 10 February, 2012
Good luck trying to get the store to return your preorder money. I bet that will be a nightmare
Djphenominal 2:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
This is more entertaining than american idols hollywood week.
Glad i never upgraded from 1.9.2
Culprit 2:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Good luck trying to get the store to return your preorder money. I bet that will be a nightmare


reminds me of ughh fiasco lol.. i use to order stuff all the time from them until.. yah and i never ordered from them again
the_black_one 2:41 AM - 10 February, 2012
Listen guys..... Software is VERY flexible. Inklen is gonna have an answer because THEY too are reading this ans see the demand for it. Be cool
DjWoody 2:42 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Quote:
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So Why is everybody complaining about there decision to cann ME. he stole money from them point blank. Inklen Worked for them and betrayed there trust if you ask me. What if a new dj was stealing your gigs every time you try and stay above water but he would go down on his price's to continue to beat your price. what would you do. Serato & Rane Did the right thing by doing what they did. Im sure pioneer or Traktor would of been shut down inklen if he was doing that to there video if they had one. If 500 people brought ME and never vsl that's 500 that could of went to R&D work. Your crying over there decision like it was never go happen. One reason Vsl hasn't had a updrade. Good Job Serato & Rane


Again, I don't see Adobe blocking developers from creating plugins that improve on their own. You know how many Photoshop plugins are there that improve on Adobe's own? A LOT!
but you have to buy adobe for any plugin to work. if you dont have adobe what good is a plugin???? so with ME it went from needing vsl demo to work to nothing at all to get ME to work. So Serato rewrote the codes and check this. inklen dont work for them no more so he dont have the codes to start with now. unless serato give it to him.


This point is mute. Serato's ScratchLIVE isn't FREE, you paid for it when you bought the hardware.
the_black_one 2:43 AM - 10 February, 2012
Serato has admitted they neglected VSL and are committed to making a change. They have to know that not updating a product for that long open the door for a competitor
DJBIGWIZ 2:44 AM - 10 February, 2012
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"had" to made?
Was the state of the free world in jeopardy?

I think what he meant was Serato "had" or needed to make changes to their software/code to make it better, more stable, get rid of some bugs and issues and give it a better foundation for the future of the product which makes perfect sense.

They did not set out with a plan to make ME stop working... they had to re-wirte things to make them better for what Serato is doing for Serato and in that process, ME suffered but that is not the responsibility of Serato to a 3rd party product that is not officially supported or endorsed by them... that's just plain logic... to blame Serato for this is something only an idiot could do and I know you are smarter than that Josh. It's funny how everybody want's complain when there are bugs and issues and talk about jumping ship if they don't do something to fix it and when they do something to fix it, a lot of those same people want to bitch and complain about jumping ship because ME doesn't work any more and they shouldn't have tried to change it? Just plain as back asswards logic.
DJ'Que 2:44 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Listen guys..... Software is VERY flexible. Inklen is gonna have an answer because THEY too are reading this ans see the demand for it. Be cool
So inklen Has there new 2.4 and serato video code already. and dont work there. lmao this inklen is magical
Trinicapone 2:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
This point is mute. Serato's ScratchLIVE isn't FREE, you paid for it when you bought the hardware.

Ok software that come with NI is bundled with the hardware as well! Try getting the newest Traktor FOR FREE!!!!!
the_black_one 2:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
so serato new found commitment to VSL and inklen fighting to stay relevant can only be good for us consumers!
Joshua Carl 2:49 AM - 10 February, 2012
"had" to made?
Was the state of the free world in jeopardy?

Nope. People's future walletts.
Culprit 2:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
Change is good, indeed. I just hope it does not take another 2 or 3 years to come up with a Serato video 1.1 or 1.2. to only have features that are currently available in mix emergency.
DJBIGWIZ 2:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
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@djbigwiz

whaddup wiz, i worded it wrong obviously.. but you understood what i meant.. right?

what's up. Honestly, I thought you were thinking )or rather.. NOT thinking) like a lot of people around here that eem to think Serato owes something to ME which is utterly ridiculous to anyone with intelligence and common sense and can still apply those to issues that may not benefit them.
I see what you mean now but STILL... it doesn't really matter and is not the duty or responsibility of Setrato. You understand that right?
All Serato is doing here is trying to make THEIR product(s) better... what's wrong with that? Isn't that what people have been crying about so much lately?
Culprit 2:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
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so serato new found commitment to VSL and inklen fighting to stay relevant can only be good for us consumers!


Well mix emergency will not work with 2.4. So we are at the mercy of Serato for updates for video.

Now to look more on a positive aspect of this venture, video is going to support itch now (duuuh culprit!!) but that also means more attention will be put upon video, so maybe it will catch up rather quickly, which is good for the consumer.
DjWoody 2:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
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This point is mute. Serato's ScratchLIVE isn't FREE, you paid for it when you bought the hardware.

Ok software that come with NI is bundled with the hardware as well! Try getting the newest Traktor FOR FREE!!!!!


That's pretty much how it works with MOST software companies. That's how they make money.

If they're minor updates, NI will give you the updates for free. If they're major, they will charge you a small fee for it. I've only had to pay a Traktor upgrade fee of $79 ONCE! And that was when I upgraded from Traktor 1 to Traktor 2. Upgrade fees have been NI's policy all along. Even Inklen is the same way. They posted on their board that ME 1.0 users will get 2.0 Free of charge, but, they will pay an upgrade fee for 2.1.

In all honesty, I think Serato should do the same. Maybe that will generate some more funds so they can hire more developers and we can get new & better toys. I wouldn't mind paying an upgrade fee.
tomatoslice 2:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
i will ONLY care about this if Serato Video is better than Mix Emergency.
until then this hoopla and the new hardware is worth nothing to me.
DJ'Que 2:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
So everybody complaining about ME But No one Know's what's in the serato video yet. remember Namm Is Not open to the public. I know if anyone of you guys were in serato shoe's and inklen was doing that to your business you would of shut him down to. Don't Lie. prime example look at technics 1200. was not a big revenue to keep it going so technic's been set out a goal to discontinue making it. I knew about this some 10 years ago cause my moms worked for panasonic/jvc/ now kenwood. the cdj's were killing them. and even with serato,vdj,Traktor, torq out its still was not enought to keep making them.
BERTO 2:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up thats 18 grand at dealer cost (1500 per unit) is Rane cool with this small loss?
Culprit 2:58 AM - 10 February, 2012
@djbigwiz

i knew from the beginning that Serato owed nothing to inklen, thats for sure! Since mix emergency supported the sl1 before vsl could, which was a low blow in the beginning.

And no, there is nothing wrong with Serato supporting their products. It was never an open project for other people to add their own plugins to which is obviously a move for stability purposes.

We will just have to see what happens.
Brigid 2:59 AM - 10 February, 2012
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... does this really mean that mixtape can't be used even on the 68 and 57 from SL 2.4 (and later) anymore?

Yes, this is true for 2.4. I don't have any other information at the moment about this, but as soon as I do, I'll let you guys know.
Culprit 3:01 AM - 10 February, 2012
For the small gigs, i went ahead and made the decision to get this

numarkns6.com

Since video will now support itch. I actually like this controller alot and cannot wait for video to support it!

But for SSL i will stick with mix emergency and my 57SL
DJ'Que 3:06 AM - 10 February, 2012
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wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up thats 18 grand at dealer cost (1500 per unit) is Rane cool with this small loss?
I can tell you about 12 that's not even on the site that cant wait for the 62 to drop cause of the dual usb feature and thats there only concern. they could careless about it not supporting ME. and even the one's doing video dont even know about ME. think im playing go To the Game Sports Bar In Inglewood Ca on Tues, Wed, Thur, Friday & Sat and ask the dj what video plugin they run. Vsl They make it work. use yelp and search it and see the Replys of the customers there and see what they say about Video.
Eloy Garcia 3:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
This was funny! Thank you to nik39 for clowning "Justin" and thank you to Res-Q for reminding "Justin" to "stay classy". Oh ya and thank you to Res-Q again to remind "Justin" that he clowned him self for saying:
Quote:

Nik, let me say this nice and clear as every time I post something you seem to take it as a personal attack on you....even when you have nothing to do with the discussion.

Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that.


LMFAO @ "Justin"
BERTO 3:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up thats 18 grand at dealer cost (1500 per unit) is Rane cool with this small loss?
I can tell you about 12 that's not even on the site that cant wait for the 62 to drop cause of the dual usb feature and thats there only concern. they could careless about it not supporting ME. and even the one's doing video dont even know about ME. think im playing go To the Game Sports Bar In Inglewood Ca on Tues, Wed, Thur, Friday & Sat and ask the dj what video plugin they run. Vsl They make it work. use yelp and search it and see the Replys of the customers there and see what they say about Video.


good I would hate Rane to get hurt die to Software snafus
BERTO 3:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
due* not die
officialcrush 3:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
Ok so here is a rant about this topic. I use ME. Reason for this is I love the support and the cutting edge software. It is (IMHO) worlds apart from any other software solution i have tried. I know for a fact the BEST in the business as far a video dj'n use it as well. It's the features and support that keeps me here. It is surpassed by none once again (IMO). It's not a RANE issue here but more of the software that is not gonna support ME. Serato has dropped the ball with the video community as far as support and updates. I don't think they cre enough (IMO) about the video community. To say that they're releasing Serato Video now, c'mon man... Where have you been the last 4 years. I love serato audio and loved VSL. As a pro DJ/VJ we tend to use the best available. THE BEST USE THE BEST. PERIOD. If Serato wants to lock out ME so be it. I think they should have come to some sort of agreement to evolve together. It is what it is. I just won't move on. I'm fine where I'm at. Asfar as Serato Video being better than ME? I doubt it. But that's just me. I own both and prefer ME. Don't knock it unless you've tried both. I have done just that. And if you're serious about Video Dj'n you would choose what the BEST choose because it's simple the BEST.
sixxx 3:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
I love comments like

"Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy. "

Then, the same CLASSY person says...

"No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

"Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that. "

Ha!!!!

WAY TO STAY CLASSY!!!!

lmao!!!!!
officialcrush 3:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
and remember guys it's not the hardware that doesn't support this it's the software
sixxx 3:17 AM - 10 February, 2012
"My apologies to everyone else on this forum..."

Apology not accepted.

nm
Eloy Garcia 3:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I love comments like

"Oh, and Eloy Garcia...way to stay classy. "

Then, the same CLASSY person says...

"No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

"Go Fuck Yourself.

Hopefully you understood that. "

Ha!!!!

WAY TO STAY CLASSY!!!!

lmao!!!!!



lolololololololol...... LMFAO!!!
Eloy Garcia 3:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
I did not make this but this is funny to me!

yfrog.com
sixxx 3:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
... and back on topic...


I thought about buying a Sixty-Two but I was also thinking I should wait... which now I'm glad I went with that decision. I personally used VSL until a couple months ago because it did what I need it to do. I'm a simple man who mixes videos as if they were just audio and nothing more.

Having said that, I'm VERY HAPPY with 2.3 (whatever latest version I have) and ME and even VSL as my new MBP is not crashing or having any issues with any of the three mentioned above.

So, I will upgrade to the Sixty-Two when the dust settles. I still LOVE Rane products and Serato for that matter. So, keep on doing a good job... even if a little late at times. But, don't rush, I rather have reliability than all kinds of extra stuff with lots of issues.

Thanks guys.
sixxx 3:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
and girls...
Brigid 3:22 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
... and back on topic...

Yeah, let's keep it there please.
tomatoslice 3:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
...
I use ME. Reason for this is I love the support and the cutting edge software. It is (IMHO) worlds apart from any other software solution i have tried. I know for a fact the BEST in the business as far a video dj'n use it as well. ... THE BEST USE THE BEST. PERIOD. ... And if you're serious about Video Dj'n you would choose what the BEST choose because it's simple the BEST.


damn straight. if you don't know it's the best you "don't know."
officialcrush 3:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
hey tomato slice loooong time. where is nik at
tomatoslice 3:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
hey tomato slice loooong time. where is nik at



where the party's at!!
phatbob 3:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
This is all just a bit sad.

I've always had this image of Serato as a cool, slightly counter-culture company.

But cutting off ME straight is a real 'corporate' move.

Any other company, I would expect it. Business-wise it is logical. But I really felt that with Serato, the users came first.

I simply don't believe that is beyond the wherewithal of Serato to come up with a way to licence ME as a plugin. I just don't.

So this is a deliberate move which will piss off a lot of customers. Myself included.

A shame, I think.
officialcrush 3:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
so back on topic... the hardware will support whatever the software will allow.
Joshua Carl 3:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
which at this point bro, is only 2.4 and after for the new mixers (61/62)


ya know, maybe Ill get a 68.
I love Rane mixers. #defendtothedeath
DJ Callen 3:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
Very disappointed in Serato & feel they are getting greedy. Mix Emergency was Serato's - Shelby for Ford. Inklen's plugin supercharged video for Serato. Serato hasn't done ANYTHING on the video side for TWO YEARS. All Serato is doing with this new Video plug is flipping a switch in the code, so it works with Itch. They wrote the code so that it should of been pretty easy. Giving it a new name was a good marketing scheme to think everyone is getting something new. For the Video DJ's that have been doing it for YEARS they want MORE FEATURES! Video DJ's don't want to be treated like it is a HOBBY for Serato. Many Video DJ's are using older versions of Scratch Live because it crashed running video. Please focus on Scratch Live and get it running stable. I would of loved to be at the Serato meeting when they decided to pull MIXTAPE out...

Inklen has worked with Video DJ's community to continually improve the product. Mix Emergency has so many advantage over Serato Video that it would take too much room to post them! I will follow what ever direction Inklen heads now.

This is why I didn't pre order a 62 until Serato confirmed that ME wouldn't work. I was on the fence anyways because 2 USB & glowing buttons doesn't justify the price increase. $100 for a Z-Trip label? They could of added one feature. I predict we will have to start using new vinyl with the update too!

I have been mixing music video before software made it possible...
Joshua Carl 3:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
we will certainly be covering each and every twist and turn on Video Report :)








cha-ching. (na...I dont see jack for the show)
dpetree 3:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
yea, you said that 10 mins ago in your last post
dpetree 3:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
sorry ,little lag there on the post

guess the forums are updating like VSL use to
DjWoody 3:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
Will Serato Video work with SL versions prior to 2.4?
Brigid 3:39 AM - 10 February, 2012
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All Serato is doing with this new Video plug is flipping a switch in the code, so it works with Itch. They wrote the code so that it should of been pretty easy.

I hate to disappoint you, but developing Video for ITCH was by no means "pretty easy".

Also, I WIIIISH there were switches in code ;)
Joshua Carl 3:44 AM - 10 February, 2012
"flipping a switch"
that's non-programmer talk for :

Nerd goes in room, bangs on keyboard comes back with results for user.
repeat, until users stops bitching.


on the other side of the coin people have eluded to the prolonged existence of a 3rd party
plugin like Mix Emergency could have been snuffed out with the" flick of a switch"
so, SSL users are inclined to things on the programming side are in fact; this easy.
djperry 3:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
Shout out to the PROFESSIONALS on here who know what they are talking about. We have some top notch video jocks and editors posting today (eloy, josh carl, c.flo, crush, puma, callen to name a few). Those who feel the need to bash and trash need to stop and drop the non-sense...chances are you spin their vidz and don't even know it. RESPECT the art and the artist...that includes you, SERATO.#Disappointed
Eloy Garcia 3:46 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
... and back on topic...

Yeah, let's keep it there please.


OK so "Brigid" from Serato, if Inklen can make ME work with SSL 2.4 will you guys just change the code again?
aireyc 3:46 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hot damn you guys can complain. Let me spell this out for those of you who don't understand why ME was cut off, because some of you are completely unreasonable with your expectations.

When you write custom software as complex as Scratch Live, the concept of a plugin isn't pre-built into the code base. In other words, just because the software exists doesn't mean it natively supports "plugins." Serato created Video-SL and had to develop a mechanism that would enable "plugins" to attach extra features to the core program. That mechanism has since become outdated and had to be re-programmed. Why? No idea, but I'm a software developer and poorly programmed software can add to your development time ten-fold.

Given that Mix Emergency relies on the old way of attaching plugins, ME will be incompatible with 2.4 which only supports the new way. There's absolutely no logical reason (other than to appease the complainers) to include support for the old plugin system as Serato has nothing to gain financially, they have a competing product with Serato Video, and it would be way too complicated to support both methods just so ME users could be happy.

More than likely ME will either come up with a licensing deal or they will find a way (or be told the way) to attach to the new system. If not, sucks for them.

And pure speculation on my part, but if Serato plans on combining Itch and Scratch Live in the future, it would only make logical sense to have one plugin that would automatically work with the combined software instead of maintaining two plugins now that would have to be re-written a third time for the new software.
Brigid 3:47 AM - 10 February, 2012
DJ Callen - I'm sorry you feel this way. We didn't do this intentionally, it's just something that happened as we rebuilt the architecture.
Brigid 3:57 AM - 10 February, 2012
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if Inklen can make ME work with SSL 2.4 will you guys just change the code again?

As I've said before, we don't support ME and if Inklen made it work with 2.4, I can't guarantee any future changes would not affect it. We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!

Quote:
OK so "Brigid" from Serato

My name is real and so am I! No need for the "" :)
Joshua Carl 3:59 AM - 10 February, 2012
yeah... I think we are all in agreement that the re-writting of code for the newer versions of serato video had nothing in them allowing mix emergency to work as it had in prior versions.

and why should, I dont think anyone will contest that Serato SHOULD develop their products with 3rd party software in mind.

I think what people want to REALLY know, if in fact the Inklen folks can make Mix emergency
work without infringing one iota on the Serato developmental resources in 2.4+ will Serato allow things to continue as they have thus far with the happy camp of devout users you have wrangled to date
Joshua Carl 3:59 AM - 10 February, 2012
Sorry Brigid, your response popped right as i hit enter.
Eloy Garcia 4:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
I just wanted you to know the question was to you Brigid and not a general statement for some one to answer.

Next Question:

I mean lets get real here this is about money Brigid "I was a programer and still are" then why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!
Brigid 4:04 AM - 10 February, 2012
Eloy Garcia just pm'ed me this:

Quote:
If you guys are doing this cause of money then why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

I can honestly say to all of you right now, this is not about money. If it was a money issue, it would've come up a long time ago.

We simply need to allocate all our resources to developing on our own products.
BERTO 4:04 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I just wanted you to know the question was to you Brigid and not a general statement for some one to answer.

Next Question:

I mean lets get real here this is about money Brigid "I was a programer and still are" then why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!


Joshua Carl is willing to pay for 5 Serato Video Keys for ME to work
Joshua Carl 4:06 AM - 10 February, 2012
truth. ^^^^^
Eloy Garcia 4:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
Ok Brigid, so dose that mean if is Inklen was to make a version of ME to with SSL 2.4+ and Itch you guys would not care about that?

If you guys do care then I would say:

why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Than every one makes money.....
DJBIGWIZ 4:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up

what makes you think once VS gets up to speed, they wont get the 62 then?
Or if ME finds a way to work with SL?
Since when has has deciding to purchase a mixer been a one shot deal?
It's not like.... ok, if you change your mind, you can never order one again... this is it, one chance.
Plus.. do you really think all these people called in and cancelled their purchase since this thread started? I doubt they ALL did that
tomatoslice 4:09 AM - 10 February, 2012
Callen, Eloy, Joshua, Puma...
not sure about you guys but "I just don't care."

sure it sucks but it ain't the end. we will keep playing just fine.
in fact this makes things easier. now i don't have to worry about new hardware and updates. are the new mixers that dope? do i need the newest serato? i have a solid basic setup to build on. i am good to go.




and whether it was on purpose that serato blacked them out? we will never really know. there will always be the conspiracy types. and maybe after 2.4 breaks inklen will have a fix and maybe serato will intentionally or unintentionally block it...bah, i will be fine.
and when has serato ever really given a straight answer to hypotheticals?
Brigid 4:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Than every one makes money.....

Quote:
I can honestly say to all of you right now, this is not about money.
Joshua Carl 4:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!


You are 100% correct
yeah... apparently that memo never made it to the VSL 1.2 meeting in February of 2010.
case that code hasnt changed Since then... and look at all this crap now. trouble

this coming from a DIE hard VSL user.
I used to put out videos just to shut the MixEmergency fanboys up!
now look what Ive become.
tomatoslice 4:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
btw i did call my guitar center rep and left a vm telling him to not worry about ordering a 62 for me.
DJ Callen 4:11 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid I thank you for your response! I am sorry if my words come out strong or mean & in situations like this I think it's better to sleep on it and make a comment after some thought. I am very passionate about this topic since it's my lively hood. I hate to use the word professional, but the people that Video DJ for a living will be hit hard with this Serato's announcement. This is very similar with what Apple decided to do with Final Cut and alienate the pro consumers. By offering Video plugin for Itch & not adding the features that the pro consumers have grown to love in Mix Emergency. If pro consumer went with the Serato only route they would be going back two years with features. Apple has received serious back lash & coverage. I feel this is the exact same situation. Why didn't we see a demo at NAMM with a "Video DJ" showing off the new plugin? Professional Video DJ's feel like we are being taken for grant. I don't think I am the only one on the forums that feels that way. I am not making a threat, but if Mix Emergency would move to Traktor I would follow. Full time Video DJ's want innovation & support for there trade.
tomatoslice 4:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!


You are 100% correct
yeah... apparently that memo never made it to the VSL 1.2 meeting in February of 2010.
...



hahahaaa!! was thinking almost the same thing.
Joshua Carl 4:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
I do Honestly appreciate you stepping in Brigid and taking it on the chin from us queens.
tomatoslice 4:14 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
... I am not making a threat, but if Mix Emergency would move to Traktor I would follow. ..


damn straight. i'd do it too. not a threat, a promise.
tomatoslice 4:15 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I do Honestly appreciate you stepping in Brigid and taking it on the chin from us queens.



yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."
Eloy Garcia 4:17 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!
DJBIGWIZ 4:18 AM - 10 February, 2012
just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?
tomatoslice 4:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I do Honestly appreciate you stepping in Brigid and taking it on the chin from us queens.



yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."


and for warn, Chad Simer, Zach Stone, Rafael Moya as well.
not going to let it get to me too much. what sucks most is that in the past i told many clubs i played at to buy a rane 57.
now what?!?
Brigid 4:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."

Please don't involve Anthony in this, he's a busy member of our support team. If you really want to tell someone it sucks, ask for me!
DJBIGWIZ 4:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!


You are 100% correct
yeah... apparently that memo never made it to the VSL 1.2 meeting in February of 2010.
...



hahahaaa!! was thinking almost the same thing.

I'm pretty sure she was referring to Scratch Live.... that's the code that was changed in order to improve the product.... not VSL
Brigid 4:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Quote:
I can honestly say to all of you right now, this is not about money.
tomatoslice 4:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."

Please don't involve Anthony in this, he's a busy member of our support team. If you really want to tell someone it sucks, ask for me!



right-o.

if he is support, what is your position?
djpuma_gemini 4:21 AM - 10 February, 2012
Will the 62 work with 2.3?
djpuma_gemini 4:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?


Because there's more people on this forum.
If ME was a standalone program then it would be over there.

This is called video djing discussions. (well, maybe not this one, but the video one is)
Brigid 4:24 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Will the 62 work with 2.3?

No, the Sixty-Two will work with 2.4 and up. We always have to bring out a new version of SSL when new hardware comes out.
tomatoslice 4:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."

Please don't involve Anthony in this, he's a busy member of our support team. If you really want to tell someone it sucks, ask for me!



and who IS the official head at serato?
you must have a boss. who is it?
tomatoslice 4:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
will the 57 work with 2.4?
Eloy Garcia 4:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
Puma the 62 will not work with 2.3 only 2.4 and high unless Serato make's a version of 2.3 that will.
Brigid 4:27 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
will the 57 work with 2.4?

Yes, the 57 will work with 2.4.
DJ Callen 4:28 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid I thank you for your response! I am sorry if my words come out strong or mean & in situations like this I think it's better to sleep on it and make a comment after some thought. I am very passionate about this topic since it's my lively hood. I hate to use the word professional, but the people that Video DJ for a living will be hit hard with this Serato's announcement. This is very similar with what Apple decided to do with Final Cut and alienate the pro consumers. By offering Video plugin for Itch & not adding the features that the pro consumers have grown to love in Mix Emergency. If pro consumer went with the Serato only route they would be going back two years with features. Apple has received serious back lash & coverage. I feel this is the exact same situation. Why didn't we see a demo at NAMM with a "Video DJ" showing off the new plugin? Professional Video DJ's feel like we are being taken for grant. I don't think I am the only one on the forums that feels that way. I am not making a threat, but if Mix Emergency would move to Traktor I would follow. Full time Video DJ's want innovation & support for there trade.
djpuma_gemini 4:28 AM - 10 February, 2012
Can I have 2.4 and 2.2 installed using my 57 or do I need a firmware upgrade for the 57 that prevents me from dropping back down to 2.2?

(please answer that one)
tomatoslice 4:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid,
and the answer to this question please...

who is the official head at serato?
you must have a boss. who is it?
Eloy Garcia 4:30 AM - 10 February, 2012
Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com
DJBIGWIZ 4:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?


Because there's more people on this forum.
If ME was a standalone program then it would be over there.

This is called video djing discussions. (well, maybe not this one, but the video one is)

Again... making MW work with SL falls on the shoulders of Inklen... all your (not YOU but you know what I mean) complaining to Serato about it is silly. Talk to the guy responsible to developing ME... offer him all the money you want to pay Serato to do his job for him.
Brigid 4:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Why didn't we see a demo at NAMM with a "Video DJ" showing off the new plugin?

We had a few setups with the new video plugin on it, but the focus for NAMM on the Rane booth was the new mixers. Serato didn't have a booth this year.
Quote:
Full time Video DJ's want innovation & support for there trade.

I can fully appreciate this. Serato Video 1.0 is an improved framework from which we can build. We'll be working hard this year to support you guys.
DJBIGWIZ 4:34 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com

For complaints of ME not working with SL and wanting that to change, or wanting Inklen to try and partner with Serato, you can contact here:
www.inklen.com
Brigid 4:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Can I have 2.4 and 2.2 installed using my 57 or do I need a firmware upgrade for the 57 that prevents me from dropping back down to 2.2?

Yes, you can have two different versions installed (2.2 and 2.4) - see this article here: sera.to
djcrap 4:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
Bridig since the 62 has on board sampler player buttons can we get sync buttons for the sampler players in 2.4

since mix tape is being canned...:)
Brigid 4:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Brigid,
and the answer to this question please...

who is the official head at serato?
you must have a boss. who is it?

Sam is the C.E.O. of Serato, but if you have anything you want to ask, you can do so here with me.
sixxx 4:38 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:

Sam is the C.E.O. of Serato, but if you have anything you want to ask, you can do so here with me.


Are you single? Thanks.

nm
tomatoslice 4:39 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com

For complaints of ME not working with SL and wanting that to change, or wanting Inklen to try and partner with Serato, you can contact here:
www.inklen.com


aw bite me. naw jking.

naw, jking.

you make a dang good point there.
i just realized "so what would i be calling them to complain about?! why do they even care??! why do i even care?! i am wrapped up in ridiculousness."

the only thing that sucks is that i don't care for any version above 192. it's new hardware. they can't fix that. they have to have new versions.
BERTO 4:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com

For complaints of ME not working with SL and wanting that to change, or wanting Inklen to try and partner with Serato, you can contact here:
www.inklen.com

Im sure they are going to be working on a workaround and will get lots of emails
Brigid 4:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Are you single? Thanks.

nm

i906.photobucket.com
sixxx 4:42 AM - 10 February, 2012
lmao :)
DJ Callen 4:43 AM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid I am sorry to be so harsh, but catching up to Mix Emergency is not innovation. I think you could of worked out a deal with Rane at NAMM to show off the Serato Plugin. NAMM is a week long event & I am sure Rane would of loved to have more selling points for the new mixer...
DjWoody 4:46 AM - 10 February, 2012
Will Video SL work with older versions of Scratch Live, other than 2.4?
Brigid 4:47 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Will Video SL work with older versions of Scratch Live, other than 2.4?

Yes, we don't make changes to old versions.
Eloy Garcia 4:49 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!
DjWoody 4:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Will Video SL work with older versions of Scratch Live, other than 2.4?

Yes, we don't make changes to old versions.


Thanks!
Eloy Garcia 4:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
can you guys do that? Brigid
the_black_one 4:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
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DjWoody 4:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
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if you have anything you want to ask, you can do so here with me.


Is that a Cool Ranch Dorito in your head?
the_black_one 4:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
dude...... GET IT IN YOUR THICK HEAD...... NO
Eloy Garcia 4:52 AM - 10 February, 2012
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i906.photobucket.com


I am just asking for answer.....
Brigid 4:52 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Eloy - why don't you ask Inklen that?
the_black_one 4:53 AM - 10 February, 2012
she answered it a fucking million times
Eloy Garcia 4:53 AM - 10 February, 2012
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dude...... GET IT IN YOUR THICK HEAD...... NO


Not talk to you man I am asking, Brigid.
DJBIGWIZ 4:53 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Her boss is Sam! you can contact him here:

serato.com

For complaints of ME not working with SL and wanting that to change, or wanting Inklen to try and partner with Serato, you can contact here:
www.inklen.com


aw bite me. naw jking.

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the only thing that sucks is that i don't care for any version above 192. it's new hardware. they can't fix that. they have to have new versions.
Right... so then it's a good thing Serato is re-building their code to be better and not have the issues it's been having right?
But people want to complain about this because the re-build caused ME to no longer work. These same people want to complain about these software issues and tell them they need to do something about it... it makes no damn sense.
the_black_one 4:54 AM - 10 February, 2012
some of you guys need to take the headphones off and go back to school
Eloy Garcia 5:06 AM - 10 February, 2012
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she answered it a fucking million times


Now she answered it for the first time.
Eloy Garcia 5:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Hey Brigid can you answer my last question?

Can you guys work with Inklen to have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

Eloy - why don't you ask Inklen that?


So I asked Nick from "Inklen" Brigid and this is what he said:

I'm not sure why that would be something to ask us. In saying that, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to implement something like this.

here is a link to what he said: www.inklen.com

So from Inklen saying that can you guys work with them so we don't lose Support of ME or get in back in the next version of SSL.
the_black_one 5:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
dj/ lawyer

******PLEASE****
dpetree 5:19 AM - 10 February, 2012
I would move to Tractor too
Brigid 5:20 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm not sure why that would be something to ask us. In saying that, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to implement something like this.

That's interesting. Definitely one for management to follow up on. Forwarding now.
dpetree 5:22 AM - 10 February, 2012
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just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?


Because there's more people on this forum.
If ME was a standalone program then it would be over there.

This is called video djing discussions. (well, maybe not this one, but the video one is)

Again... making MW work with SL falls on the shoulders of Inklen... all your (not YOU but you know what I mean) complaining to Serato about it is silly. Talk to the guy responsible to developing ME... offer him all the money you want to pay Serato to do his job for him.



Wrong..this isn't ME issue at all. SSL is forbidden ME to work with it. Since Serato changed the code, what can ME do about it? Nothing. Its all on the shoulders of Serato
BERTO 5:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm not sure why that would be something to ask us. In saying that, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to implement something like this.

That's interesting. Definitely one for management to follow up on. Forwarding now.

So Serato is not against maybe implementing this? Or is it above you? (Not meant to sound offensive)
Brigid 5:24 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So Serato is not against maybe implementing this? Or is it above you? (Not meant to sound offensive)

This definitely above me. This is mad Elders council stuff.
BERTO 5:24 AM - 10 February, 2012
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just out of curiosity, how come there are there are no where near as many posts, threads and people bitching and complaining about ME working or not working with SL on the Inklen (ME) forums? Everyone want's to come here to a forum by a company that doesn't make or support ME to complain about it not working when they never had anything to do with it EVER.
Also, all the money people are willing to spend buying several copies of SV or in their willingness to pay for upgrades.... why don't y'all send all that money to Inklen to develop a way that it can truly be a stand alone program?


Because there's more people on this forum.
If ME was a standalone program then it would be over there.

This is called video djing discussions. (well, maybe not this one, but the video one is)

Again... making MW work with SL falls on the shoulders of Inklen... all your (not YOU but you know what I mean) complaining to Serato about it is silly. Talk to the guy responsible to developing ME... offer him all the money you want to pay Serato to do his job for him.



Wrong..this isn't ME issue at all. SSL is forbidden ME to work with it. Since Serato changed the code, what can ME do about it? Nothing. Its all on the shoulders of Serato



Serato just said they didnt do this on purpose, basically saying its in inklens hands now if ME works in the future
BERTO 5:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So Serato is not against maybe implementing this? Or is it above you? (Not meant to sound offensive)

This definitely above me. This is mad Elders council stuff.



Gotta light the candles in a circle at the round table type shit
dpetree 5:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
Thats not true.

I know for a 100% fact of the details of the behind the door meetings
phatbob 5:25 AM - 10 February, 2012
So Serato haven't actually entered into a dialogue with Inklen yet?

Do you guys not look at your own forum? Thought it would be pretty obvious that a lot of your users have moved to ME in the 2 years you guys have completely ignored VSL...

Sorry, this doesn't smell right at all.

If your announcement said, "hey, we tried to sort it, but couldn't", fair enough.

If your announcement said, "we don't want you to use ME, that's our right as software developers"... That would be fair enough too, actually.

But all this 'ooh we didn't think of that' is, frankly, bullshit.

Fix up.
dpetree 5:26 AM - 10 February, 2012
I don't know all the details, but i know some. and i know that Nick would be willing to do anything to make it work. I know for a fact that nick would of just about done anything besides sell the company to them
BERTO 5:27 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Thats not true.

I know for a 100% fact of the details of the behind the door meetings


Whats not true ? bridgid is being very helpful and clear with the ME situation
Brigid 5:27 AM - 10 February, 2012
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So Serato haven't actually entered into a dialogue with Inklen yet?

Come on now, we have been talking to Nick for a while. I'm not privy to our conversations with him.
phatbob 5:27 AM - 10 February, 2012
Clear my ass.

Nothing personal, Brigid.
BERTO 5:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Clear my ass.

Nothing personal, Brigid.

She said its not about money, they wrote the code for new hardware not to block ME, and she said that The ball is in ME's court to make it work for 2.4 +
Brigid 5:29 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Clear my ass.

Nothing personal, Brigid.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as clear as possible without getting fired, so I do take this a little personally.
DJNitro12 5:30 AM - 10 February, 2012
How's it going guys? I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth about, not the products, but the arguing. My name is Tim, I'm from Ohio and I'm 36 yrs old. I've DJed every day of my life from the time I was 14. The only time I stopped was when I joined the service from 93-97 then again from 2001-2005. I only tell you this b/c I'm a disabled Vet. I lost both legs from the knee down, broke my collar bone, broke 5 ribs and still have a bullet under my left lung. I was in a hummer that hit an IED then ambushed. I lost three very good friends and the whole time I was in the hospital, all I wanted to do was spin. All this arguing and name calling doesn't solve anything. We use what we use b/c it's what we can afford or what we like. Denon or Pio , DVS or "real" vinyl? Ford or Chevy? I use VSL never used ME but I understand it's a great product. The thing that deters me at this point is that they don't make it PC compatible, only for Mac. Mac's are great computers, but not in my price range. I do have a computer science degree and an MCSE so when I say the only difference between a Mac and PC now-a-days is the OS, it's true. Intel processors, ram, video cards, etc are all the same. I'm sure ME is gonna fix the problem. It would stupid of them not to. You guys think you have it bad? In 2009 I pre-order a 2010 Camaro SS right before my 4th deployment. Silver w/ Black stripes, leather, six speed...... I say again, six speed...... I have nothing below the knee. Vern Troyer has a better shot of driving this car before me.... All joking aside guys, Do it because you love it and because the crowd loves it no matter what you use.

Thanks for listeing.......
dpetree 5:30 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Whats not true ? bridgid is being very helpful and clear with the ME situation


No one ever said he was not being helpful, he has been great.

I just said that its a fact that meetings have been going on for a while now and if Serato wanted ME to work with the program, then Serato would of let it work. For Big Wiz to try to make people go and complain on the ME forums is bullshit because thats not the problem. The problem is Serato and not ME. Thats my point
Brigid 5:31 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Thats not true.

I know for a 100% fact of the details of the behind the door meetings

Please don't mislead people. Either you know it, and you'll tell all the details, or you don't know it.

I don't know the full details, so I can't comment.
Brigid 5:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hey guys, I'm heading home for the weekend. I'll jump online when I can throughout the weekend and try and answer more questions.
dpetree 5:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
sorry, i should of worded that better.

I know for a fact that there have been meetings for a while.

When Big Wiz (well, read my last post)

sorry if my wording was off but i know that Nick would work within any guidelines to make ME work with SSL, just sera to isn't letting him
phatbob 5:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
In this thread you ARE Serato, Brigid... I'm confident in saying that nobody is having a pop a you personally, myself included.

If you are not privvy to all the meetings and such then it is wrong for management to put you out here alone to deal with this shitstorm.
dpetree 5:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
Have a good weekend Brigid..

Thank you for at least answering questions


Facts are better then rumors and now at least people know.

Its not the end of the world and all will be OK
BERTO 5:36 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Hey guys, I'm heading home for the weekend. I'll jump online when I can throughout the weekend and try and answer more questions.

Thanks for quick responses
Code:E 5:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
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UGH. :(

We can only hope that Serato Video is SO awesome that it makes Mix Emergency obsolete. Otherwise, this development will alienate a LARGE chunk of Video DJs using Serato. :(


Im very VERY upset the ME2.0 wont be supported in serato 2.4. i am a big believe in using up to date software, but i will not be using 2.4 anytime soon.

Now if serato really doesn't mind ME playing in its back yard, they someone (maybe authorized or not) at the serato video development lab will send nick the un-compiled code for serato 2.4 so he can write his code into this new serato video offering.

I among other's are very disappointed in this development, And really hope serato does some sort of back room deal. I understand Serato cant support ME in any way. but its not going to cost them anything to send ME a no disclosure contract and a copy of the serato 2.4 code. If nick can find a way to make it work than great, if not its not really serato fault at that point.

I have been hinted to that Serato video will not any any features that ME has over VSL at its release. So for the short term serato video is no better than VSL. But i do know serato has talked to user's of both programs and asked what features are most important to video DJ's. I would like to hope that Serato video will some day be the program we all want it to be but that's not happening anytime this year. It would be nice if serato added back in VSL support to serato 2.4 until they get Serato video up to par with ME but again that not happening. I really hope to see serato video updates out ASAP but my biggest issue with VSL and Serato video i dont see ever being changed. I DONT want serato video to be stuck inside serato i want it on windows that can be moved to a second monitor. it's a key part of my setup and i dont want to loose it.

Also one other point i would like to make. I would assume that serato is also doing this to stop the spread of hacked VSL's and key code sharing. I would assume with a new program no one who has not registered there VSL will get the download for serato video and i would be you need an internet connection to authorize your copy of serato video. Im fine with that i own VSL also. but that will put a big stop to all the people who dont legitimately own VSL or serato video. and hopefully put some money in serato bank account so that they can upgrade serato video to be a real competitor in the video game.\

I feel really bad for Nick, he has been so good about feature request and repairs and tweaks to ME, and hi bet there's been alot of time put into ME 2.0 and now that it wont work its just gonna suck.
AVENUE 5:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Are you single? Thanks.

nm

i906.photobucket.com



Guys if you have not gotta a minute to meet Brigid she is a great young lady.. She is very cute too.. :-)
djpuma_gemini 5:47 AM - 10 February, 2012
2.0 will still work with 2.2 and 2.3 so I'm cool with that.
phatbob 5:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
It's too big to quote but +1 on everything Code:E just said.
Code:E 5:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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It's too big to quote but +1 on everything Code:E just said.

thanks Phatbob i really enjoy reading you post because i feel you are among the few on here who make sense.
djkswagg 5:55 AM - 10 February, 2012
WHat is a MIX emergency????????????
the_black_one 6:00 AM - 10 February, 2012
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WHat is a MIX emergency????????????

if you have to ask you dont need to know
BUM SQUAD DJZ 6:01 AM - 10 February, 2012
As you guys know Serato has been a curse and a blessing, but im extremely upset that they have decided not to support Mix Emergency with their new mixers, well I guess IM going to stick to my TT57 or maybe even sell it. To me this is a load of crap..#SERATO = FAIL
BUM SQUAD DJZ 6:04 AM - 10 February, 2012
& also 2.4 not supporting Mix Emergency is for the BIRDS.
djkswagg 6:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
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if you have to ask you dont need to know


stinky black not talking to you
the_black_one 6:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
sorry i have no SWAGG
djkswagg 6:10 AM - 10 February, 2012
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sorry i have no SWAGG


you are forgiven for not having swagg foo
devastator 6:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
You know right now as it stands Serato will be giving a free upgrade for vsl registered users and nobody is making $$$ .. most of us video djz bought vsl and threw it to the dogz and switched to M.E a far superior product ... But we paid for both .

I dont see why Serato and M.E doesnt capitalize on this oppurtunity and make some $$ while at it ... I would pay to get access to use M.E with my 62... $50 for Serato and $50 for M.E both parties make money and and they keep thier customers ... Sales go up again for Rane and everyone is peachie ...

Pretty damm stupid with such an easy fix if u ask me ...

Id be willing to pay for the the M.E SERATO PATCH ...
Code:E 6:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
Maybe we should all start messaging all of the video suppliers (crooklyn clan, smash vidz, xtenda mix) and have them send off nasty emails to serato saying how its gonna hurt there business if nobody new will be getting into the video game because there no good VJ program thats current. (well except for the rumored VDJ 8, which im very excited to see, cause video on VDJ7 works amazingly well)
sixxx 6:23 AM - 10 February, 2012
People. Before you talk about "support", look up the definition.

Whatthefuckbarbecuesauce
DJ BALO 6:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
SERIOUSLY!! THIS CAN BE!! Why don;t both M.E. and Serato sit at the table and make this work? I AM SUPER PISSED!!
Audio1 6:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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yep, and where is Anthony S?!?

Brigid, tell him i will be calling to say "this sucks."

Please don't involve Anthony in this, he's a busy member of our support team. If you really want to tell someone it sucks, ask for me!

FYI, Auckland, New Zealand is +13 hours from Pacific Standard Time. I never knew they could patch you straight from the Northwest on the phone. I will try on Monday. (Tuesday for Brigid).

I love Serato. It made me fall in love with DJing (again) at a time where I was falling out of love with it. That being said, There are still many issues that loyal customers has been bringing up for years on both the audio and video side of SSL (that I've noticed since 2008) that have either not been resolved, addressed or just simply ignored. (Let's not get started with the OUTCRY for better keylock algorhythm, This thread would go crazy).

While the product is easy to use and has sort of become the industry standard for DVS, It almost seems that SERATO as a company clearly likes to ignore the concerns of their loyal customer base. I can play devil's advocate and see why not allowing ME to work on post 2.4 versions of SSL can be beneficial for your company. In the end, You just lost half your loyal fan base on corporate decisions. Nuff said.

I sure hope the Serato Video product that you plan on releasing in March far exceeds what ME has been offering to its video users for years now. Otherwise, This may be a big fail on your part.

-Alex Mendez (DJ AUDIO1)
Avid Serato guy
djkswagg 6:51 AM - 10 February, 2012
got it
Sevan Kambel 7:15 AM - 10 February, 2012
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... The 1st rule about MixEmergency.. is you dont talk about MixEmergency..

A secret society...
the_black_one 7:20 AM - 10 February, 2012
fight club!
Millz 7:28 AM - 10 February, 2012
In a perfect world, I would like to see some type of agreement between the 2.

Although I cant go into too much details, I will say that I demo'ed Serato Video the past 3 days here in Vegas, along side the 62z mixer. Great plugin, alot of growing and expanding features and effects will be going on here in the next few weeks Im sure. Because of my relation with both companies, I wont really be all political. I will say this...Nick has years of coding and added features, etc. Serato Video is in an infant stage. It will take some time to implement all the features needed to even get close to catching up with ME. My only hope is that Serato doesnt abandon Serato Video like they did with VSL, and ship a broken and incomplete product.

Also, there is nothing worse than someone being a butt pirate fan boy of anything. Quit kissing ass, your breath smells like poo poo.

In the end, I really truly hope that the higher ups read this and understand that they are taking away massive amounts of creativity to the elite group of video DJs who have always supported SSL. The top video DJs in this game all use SSL and ME (with a few exceptions of cats running Virtual DJ.

Anyone can say anything on a public forum. Its up to you wether or not you believe the hype.
WarpNote 8:08 AM - 10 February, 2012
I started to look into video last year for doing my own visuals alongside music.
I still do only audio at gigs though. I bought ME as it was the obvious choice, recording being the most important feature for myself. Also like the curve based triggers alot.
I rock the 68, and will probably stay with that mixer for a long time.
Might get a 62 later, but for now, I'm good.

If this is the end of ME, well, its kind of sad. But, I'm not gonna go out and cry just yet.
I could still use 2.3.3 with for a while, I also run The Bridge at times, and I like the mixtape feature.

When Serato Video is released, I'll probably pick it up, if I like it.
Probably should have jumped on the VSL sale before NAMM, but seriously,
$149 is not the end of the world. Gonna let this play out, then make my own opinions & conclusions.
Code:E 8:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
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(with a few exceptions of cats running Virtual DJ.

Finally some who doesn't hate VDJ. I found it to be (when use on a PC) great video DJ program with many benefits of VSL.
Anyway i really hope i dont have to try and get my CDJ2000s to run on VDJ again, they work so much better on serato, plus that nice and new SL4 box is just gonna sit on a shelf at that point. :(

Please Serato listen to the people. give them what they want! and if you really cant do that, give them what they need.

Floating Video Preview Windows
Random Transitions and Effects - More Transitions and Effects
Recording Audio Visual Mix
Customizable Transition and Effect Lists
Quartz Composition Overlay
Syphon Support
Text,SMS to Screen Support
Multiple MIDI functions to One Button
More file Type Support
Live Camera Feed
Henry GQ 8:59 AM - 10 February, 2012
its to my understanding that nick wrote the code for VSL, and well... he is no longer a part of the Serato Team(creative differences). Therefore, who would know his code better than him?

so why wouldnt Serato make a new code for Serato Video from scratch, and move on? no wonder they havent worked on VSL in 2 years, the guy that wrote it left...


or am i wrong? haha


we all love ME for what it has become! i was one of the first ones to brag about it to everyone! plus we all loved the fact that ONLY mac users can use it. at least i did!


anyways life sucks, and this move is gonna set the Video DJ community back once again

now its up to Nick to make a new code for 2.4, and i hope he does it!


simple right?
DJBIGWIZ 9:00 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I know for a 100% fact of the details of the behind the door meetings

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I don't know all the details,

hmmm. that's an interesting contradiction. I guess we can stop listening to what you have to say now. But... just 'cause you wanna put my name in it.
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For Big Wiz to try to make people go and complain on the ME forums is bullshit because thats not the problem. The problem is Serato and not ME. Thats my point

Serato AGAIN FOR THE SLOW OF COMPREHENSION... has nothing to do with ME.
It is not there responsibility to make a plugin that is not official or even supported by them work or not. Scratch Live can work with out ME... so can Itch and The Bridge and DJ Intro and every single Serato product. They do not NEED ME for anything. ME on the other hand needs SL to work. It is TOTALLY Inklens burden and responsibility here to make it work or not. Therefore (nothing personal towards you but) it's you're point that's bullshit here.
Your point is point blank stupid for anyone with an ounce of common sense. It's better to remain quiet and be perceived an idiot then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
DJBIGWIZ 9:00 AM - 10 February, 2012
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WHat is a MIX emergency????????????

it's when you go to spin at the club and your video plug in doesn't work.
hahaha J/K =) oh this is fun.
djkswagg 9:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
lol i know what it is now
DJBIGWIZ 9:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
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its to my understanding that nick wrote the code for VSL, and well... he is no longer a part of the Serato Team(creative differences). Therefore, who would know his code better than him?

so why wouldnt Serato make a new code for Serato Video from scratch, and move on? no wonder they havent worked on VSL in 2 years, the guy that wrote it left...


or am i wrong? haha
wow, that actually made good sense Henry. I am actually glad to say No, you are not wrong.
=)

we all love ME for what it has become! i was one of the first ones to brag about it to everyone! plus we all loved the fact that ONLY mac users can use it. at least i did!


anyways life sucks, and this move is gonna set the Video DJ community back once again

now its up to Nick to make a new code for 2.4, and i hope he does it!


simple right?
Henry GQ 9:04 AM - 10 February, 2012
in the mean time... i look forward to seeing the finished product for 2.4 and serato video!
DJ Unique 9:05 AM - 10 February, 2012
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WHat is a MIX emergency????????????

It's when you can't find the beat and need "auto-sync" ASAP.
DJBIGWIZ 9:05 AM - 10 February, 2012
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WHat is a MIX emergency????????????

It's when you can't find the beat and need "auto-sync" ASAP.

hahaha
Henry GQ 9:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Floating Video Preview Windows
Random Transitions and Effects - More Transitions and Effects
Recording Audio Visual Mix
Customizable Transition and Effect Lists
Quartz Composition Overlay
Syphon Support
Text,SMS to Screen Support
Multiple MIDI functions to One Button
More file Type Support
Live Camera Feed


and i too hope to see all of this implemented into Serato Video!


i would really liek to see the record audio and visual being worked on first, along with the text, sms support
Henry GQ 9:07 AM - 10 February, 2012
quote fail^^^^
SiRocket 9:13 AM - 10 February, 2012
I was really emotional about the lack of mixtape the other day, and its hard when I try to keep professional in the public eye...

I am an ME user myself, but i understand what Wiz is saying... how its Inklen's problem... because in reality IT IS! If they are a talented and dedicated company, then crack SSL and VS again so your new bells and whistles version can work... People are offering BIG amounts of money to use ME so up the price to pay for the extra work!

Back to mixtape..... This was a BIG BIG BIG game changer, and a feature that was legit unlike the ME issue(s)... I really don't know what to say here, this was a HUGE step forward, and with the shaky grounds where serato has no official announcement or even a bone that they can throw out there to keep their professionals happy and all the people that actually bought legit Live copies to use it... thats just unstableness to me and the REAL slap in the face of this threads facts, not ME....

I have worked with Chris Kilmore from Incubus for years, rocked sets with him at times, had practice sessions here and there, and studio time too... LiveFeed and Mixtape being mia and uncertain about its future, is a big deal to these cats that are touring and doing BIG things using Rane Hardware and Serato Software.... You just sold us onto mixtape and live feed 2 years ago... now you want to tell the real professionals that you are sorry?

Now do you think these people are going to want to continue using a product/tool that has its "cool" features die off in 2 years, features that you perform to 20+ thousand people each sold out show (livefeed)???.....
SiRocket 9:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
Ill say one more thing... if the Mixtape/Bridge Relation with Ableton can't be resolved, stabilized, and made to be kickass... then there is your example for the people that want inklen and serato to collab.... they couldn't even make the legit partnership work.....

Something to think about...
radikarl 9:16 AM - 10 February, 2012
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its to my understanding that nick wrote the code for VSL, and well... he is no longer a part of the Serato Team(creative differences). Therefore, who would know his code better than him?

so why wouldnt Serato make a new code for Serato Video from scratch, and move on? no wonder they havent worked on VSL in 2 years, the guy that wrote it left...

or am i wrong?

wrong.
It was Nathan H who wrote Video SL, not Nick from inklen

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Just to give credit where credit is due, it was Nathan H who made Video-SL. Nick F (who makes ME), left Serato in 2005 - long before we started work on Video-SL.
Brigid 9:40 AM - 10 February, 2012
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if the Mixtape/Bridge Relation with Ableton can't be resolved

Hold on now, I said right at the beginning that we'll have an update on Mixtape for you soon, and we will. There's lots of internal discussion going on right now.
nik39 9:42 AM - 10 February, 2012
Hey Brigid,

Eloy asked this question which has not been answered yet:

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Ok Brigid, so dose that mean if is Inklen was to make a version of ME to with SSL 2.4+ and Itch you guys would not care about that?

Can you answer this one?
Henry GQ 9:50 AM - 10 February, 2012
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its to my understanding that nick wrote the code for VSL, and well... he is no longer a part of the Serato Team(creative differences). Therefore, who would know his code better than him?

so why wouldnt Serato make a new code for Serato Video from scratch, and move on? no wonder they havent worked on VSL in 2 years, the guy that wrote it left...

or am i wrong?

wrong.


i heard differently. but im not here to say this or that..

i just hope serato video gets this handled quickly

and i also hope that inklen makes their own audio software and gears its towards the video community.
It was Nathan H who wrote Video SL, not Nick from inklen

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Just to give credit where credit is due, it was Nathan H who made Video-SL. Nick F (who makes ME), left Serato in 2005 - long before we started work on Video-SL.
DJMark 9:52 AM - 10 February, 2012
I offer this as a solution, though I don't take credit for the concept:

(and yes, Bridget I've read your comments that it's not about the money, but I'm well aware that software development/testing does require resources...)

Somehow give ME the new "hooks" to do its thing with SL 2.4...

...but only allow them to work with a registered (not demo) copy of Serato Video.

There may be some DJ's who would be unhappy about "paying twice"...

...but those of us who have come to depend on ME for certain functionality would be facing a much less stark situation than what we have now.

And it might well save your company some negative PR, and Rane some lost (or at least deferred) sales.
Brigid 9:58 AM - 10 February, 2012
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Ok Brigid, so dose that mean if is Inklen was to make a version of ME to with SSL 2.4+ and Itch you guys would not care about that?

The situation with Inklen is complicated (as you've probably gathered by now). We'd be happy to discuss it if it happened.
nik39 10:01 AM - 10 February, 2012
You mean discuss this with us, users or with Inklen?
jevo9 10:03 AM - 10 February, 2012
Some of you guys defend serato like its your Damn wife... Seriously stop kissing ass.
jevo9 10:06 AM - 10 February, 2012
BTW I have pre ordered the 62z .... I will use it with the new serato video... The world is not gonna end.... Me is and will be a great product.
Brigid 10:12 AM - 10 February, 2012
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You mean discuss this with us, users or with Inklen?

It would be a discussion between Serato and Inklen.
IAMVJBLAZE 10:24 AM - 10 February, 2012
As someone who knows WHY ME is called Mix Emergency (don't ask me), I can tell you that I will be using it and NOT Video-SL, PERIOD. I have been more than disappointed with Video SL for about 3 years now. I was an early adopter and bought a 57SL and VSL. Moving to Mix Emergency was a GOD-SEND, and I will not go backwards.

A lot of people on here don't really know what they are talking about and should probably be quiet and see how things play out. Blindly taking sides is silly.

Serato, you have let us down in many ways, and that will not be forgotten by people who LOVE their profession as much as we do !! I still dig SSL mostly, but Video-SL is dead to me.

I UNDERSTAND your position from a business stand-point, and I also know that making these tools available to more novice DJ/VJ's thru the use of Itch, etc, WILL NOT harm QUALITY Video-DJ's like myself. It MIGHT make more people interested in the ART of VIDEO-DJing....

and that's a good thing.

Because those guys can come see us play with the REAL TOOLS (ME).... and go, HOW DID YOU DO THAT ????
the_black_one 10:33 AM - 10 February, 2012
Apple likes a technology. The buy it and implement it to
Their products. Me created something special and serato clearly can see that.
Aaron The Era 10:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
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It's when you can't find the beat and need "auto-sync" ASAP.


if u need auto sync just download the latest shitty product from serato: DJ Intro.
the_black_one 10:35 AM - 10 February, 2012
Inklen created ME...... Just correcting my post above
Brigid 10:37 AM - 10 February, 2012
I have to sign off for the night guys (it's Friday!), but I'll pop in over the weekend as well.
dvjflash 10:45 AM - 10 February, 2012
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I will but Serato video 5 times if Im allowed to use Mix emergency.

and that NOT an exaggeration in one iota.

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We change our code all the time - if we didn't, we'd be in trouble!


You are 100% correct
yeah... apparently that memo never made it to the VSL 1.2 meeting in February of 2010.
case that code hasnt changed Since then... and look at all this crap now. trouble

this coming from a DIE hard VSL user.
I used to put out videos just to shut the MixEmergency fanboys up!
now look what Ive become.


@JC- I find this to be hilarious (since the first time I met you; me and you were the ONLY two at the table still repping VSL and now we both moved so far to the "darkside"


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I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do.

curious about what u can do with VSL that ME cant do?????

work with new versions of scratch live hahahaha j/k
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I couldn't resist.


This would be hilarious……… except for the fact thats such a stab into the back of video djs it's really not funny at all.

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Ok I'll try and tackle this the best I can.

Mix Emergency is not our product. We understand that our customers are also Mix Emergency customers, which is why this is a tough situation for us. Inklen are the best people to talk to about this, and they're aware of the situation.

Video-SL/Serato Video is our product. We understand that some of our customers are frustrated with the lack of new features and updates for Video-SL and we're going to be working hard this year to turn that around.

The short version is that we can't work on products that aren't ours. ME was never officially supported, and we can't take development time away from our products to do this.

Serato Video includes a big rewrite of the architecture behind it, which gives us the best possible foundation this year for development.

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See from that makes me feel something big is coming!

Come on guys, please don't read between the lines! :)

I'm trying to be as transparent as possible - I'm not trying to write a riddle for you to solve haha.

I have to say, its honorable to stand up and take the abuse here when these decisions are over your head.

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wheres Rane in all of this? Are they cool with loosing preorders theres been 12 at least cancelled since this thread popped up thats 18 grand at dealer cost (1500 per unit) is Rane cool with this small loss?

I think this would be an outstanding topic for an interview with a Rane representative on the next episode of Remix Report

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ct the BEST in the business as far a video dj'n use it as well. It's the features and support t

Tell ya what, I had some issues when I first got on ME, Nick all but held my hand through the process. We emailed back and forth and when the issue couldn't be fixed he called me, and it got handled then. That is customer support worth paying for… In here we are lucky to get a response for days (if not weeks) at a time. If you email Nick from Inklen with a problem, you can generally expect a response in 24 hours (or less)

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Very disappointed in Serato & feel they are getting greedy. Mix Emergency was Serato's - Shelby for Ford. Inklen's plugin supercharged video for Serato. Serato hasn't done ANYTHING on the video side for TWO YEARS. All Serato is doing with this new Video plug is flipping a switch in the code, so it works with Itch. They wrote the code so that it should of been pretty easy. Giving it a new name was a good marketing scheme to think everyone is getting something new. For the Video DJ's that have been doing it for YEARS they want MORE FEATURES! Video DJ's don't want to be treated like it is a HOBBY for Serato. Many Video DJ's are using older versions of Scratch Live because it crashed running video. Please focus on Scratch Live and get it running stable. I would of loved to be at the Serato meeting when they decided to pull MIXTAPE out...

Inklen has worked with Video DJ's community to continually improve the product. Mix Emergency has so many advantage over Serato Video that it would take too much room to post them! I will follow what ever direction Inklen heads now.

This is why I didn't pre order a 62 until Serato confirmed that ME wouldn't work. I was on the fence anyways because 2 USB & glowing buttons doesn't justify the price increase. $100 for a Z-Trip label? They could of added one feature. I predict we will have to start using new vinyl with the update too!

I have been mixing music video before software made it possible...

I personally run prior versions of Scratch Live and have since I got converted from true vinyl to SSL. I dunno what the heck it is, but I have a crap ton of issues every time I get a new SSL update, so much of an issue with the last time I "updated", that I now have an "unnamed source" who has all the updates and I asked him to call me when one comes out that he finds to be truly stable and worth upgrading to. (he hasn't told me to upgrade in quite some time)


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Eloy Garcia just pm'ed me this:

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If you guys are doing this cause of money then why don't you just have Inklen have a system were, when you setup ME for the first time you have to have 2 valid SN#'s one form Serato and one from Inklen then every one makes money!

I can honestly say to all of you right now, this is not about money. If it was a money issue, it would've come up a long time ago.

We simply need to allocate all our resources to developing on our own products.


I have both, and I can honestly say I spoke with SEVERAL Dj's before I got on ME and EVERY single one of them told me I had to have VSL installed and running before installing ME. I can tell you from experience that you can NOT install Serato Scratch Live, and Mix Emergency on a fresh computer and expect it to work, you must also have VSL installed. I am in FULL agreement that you need to allocate resources to developing your own products, HOWEVER the issue that video deejays have with VSL is that your product was thrown out to corner a market, and not "developed" beyond its conception. Now in the past two years that we haven't seen updates to a product we paid for, Serato has launched ITCH, The Bridge, Dj Intro, and now Serato Video - so that you can pick up more customers without benefiting the ones you have already signed up. The part that is truly horrible, is programs like Itch actually hurt the dj community by flooding the market with people use the program to do EVERYTHING for them. So lets ReCap here - 1. your new software is written in a way to negate Mix Emergency 2. the new software will further enable the djs using lower grade software / equipment to undercut and poach, because now they can offer video 3. the new software wont have the features for a LONG time that we already have in ME 4. Serato is still developing new software and updating stuff for controller jockeys, but there is no idea when solid long term video jocks will have updates - yeah…. uh…. sucks for us doesn't it : / Serato Scratch Live and VSL have tons of loyal customers how bout catering to us, instead of trying to add to your customer base while saying its not about the money.


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So Serato is not against maybe implementing this? Or is it above you? (Not meant to sound offensive)

This definitely above me. This is mad Elders council stuff.

(totally awesome response)

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You know right now as it stands Serato will be giving a free upgrade for vsl registered users and nobody is making $$$ .. most of us video djz bought vsl and threw it to the dogz and switched to M.E a far superior product ... But we paid for both .

I dont see why Serato and M.E doesnt capitalize on this oppurtunity and make some $$ while at it ... I would pay to get access to use M.E with my 62... $50 for Serato and $50 for M.E both parties make money and and they keep thier customers ... Sales go up again for Rane and everyone is peachie ...

Pretty damm stupid with such an easy fix if u ask me ...

Id be willing to pay for the the M.E SERATO PATCH ...


$50 bucks each?!?! wow. yea thats a hell of an undercut. I will totally stand by Serato saying hey look, you wanna upgrade to ME, fine, but you have to buy VSL (or whatever its badged as) first… no more end run around buying it. I honestly don't have a problem paying the $200 EACH for the programs (obviously since I bought em both)- hey Serato VSL obviously NEEDS the money so they can put it into development for products for people to poach (or at least attempt to) our jobs (or they can say its going into development for a better VSL whatever) and I certainly don't have a problem paying for Mix Emergency, cause if you do you see where your money goes by the regular updates to transitions etc.


- Oh and hello DjFam - been hibernating for the winter - Nice to see everyones feathers are still easily ruffled

@Blaze - hey bro long time - my issue with the novice guys is- in my area we have small venues held by cheap owners, you tell one of them "your paying your vj $400 a night, I'll do it for a $20 bar tab" and as long as he doesn't send the crowd out screaming and pulling their hair out then he is a threat. They sit there and trainspot with a notepad, they read the lower thirds and see where we get our videos (most of mine are from crooklyn) they download the content and play essentially the same set. They have scratch sound effect packs out now so that element of the set is nearly obsolete, novice mixing eh... its a college town, I bet 90% of my crowd wouldnt know the difference from an A-list line up (like the one from Biloxi last year) or you standing there pressing play on itunes.. Those other 10% well... their opinions don't count for a whole lot. I retain jobs because Im one of 3 guys in the city with over a decade of experience (so we can also fix everything).
(yea I know your argument I could always move, but ya know this is kinda my home went to school here, family lives here, have a house here... I'll drive an hour or two to a gig or fly, but I'm not moving)
DJ Stoyvo 10:48 AM - 10 February, 2012
It's Serato's own fault that ME event exists. Here's how it works:
Serato Video and SSL 2.3.3 use QuickTime's video feed to process videos... We all know QuickTime, it's free software... ME taps into that data and manipulates the video feed and sends it back out... Let me explain this in an easy way.

Serato will make it's own video feed that'll be super heavy on everyone's computer, it won't work, it'll crash on your busiest night, and chances are the quality will be complete crap... Best part about this is that Serato can't deny it. Why? Because their current product is exactly how I described it and it does mainly audio. HiFi resampler - shit. KeyLock - Shit. Library and crate management - Shit. Loading times - Shit. Crash handling - We know the answer to this. Midi Mapping - Shit. Layouts that DJs want - Non existent.

Lets just sit back and watch what use to be the best DVS destroy itself.

Overall though, we all have to thank Serato. They're great at angering their customers. Honestly, how many companies have the ability to disappoint thousands of people every time?
dvjflash 10:56 AM - 10 February, 2012
Oh and one more thing..... if anyone from Inklen is looking, you build a solid audio (Scratch Live type) program and stick with just that one, keep it solid, and link Mix Emergency to it - and you got at least one customer that will be loyal to you (until you pull the crap Serato did) in me.

(I bet theres a few dozen other guys around here that would go for it too)

Hope to see everyone at the Video Dj Conference this year -

(cant wait to see if Serato VSL / Mix Emergency will be there representing their products)


- Much love guys !!
DJ Stoyvo 11:05 AM - 10 February, 2012
Honestly, Video feeds have to exit via the minidisplay, vga, or DVI ports... All display ports can be hacked into for video feeds as it's controlled by the operating system (Windows or OSx). It won't be as easy as tapping into QuickTime, but it's do-able... Sorry Serato. Unless you release audio boxes with video output, we will always have our 3rd party video programs ;)
DJ DFunk 1:20 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Ok so here is a rant about this topic. I use ME. Reason for this is I love the support and the cutting edge software. It is (IMHO) worlds apart from any other software solution i have tried. I know for a fact the BEST in the business as far a video dj'n use it as well. It's the features and support that keeps me here. It is surpassed by none once again (IMO). It's not a RANE issue here but more of the software that is not gonna support ME. Serato has dropped the ball with the video community as far as support and updates. I don't think they cre enough (IMO) about the video community. To say that they're releasing Serato Video now, c'mon man... Where have you been the last 4 years. I love serato audio and loved VSL. As a pro DJ/VJ we tend to use the best available. THE BEST USE THE BEST. PERIOD. If Serato wants to lock out ME so be it. I think they should have come to some sort of agreement to evolve together. It is what it is. I just won't move on. I'm fine where I'm at. Asfar as Serato Video being better than ME? I doubt it. But that's just me. I own both and prefer ME. Don't knock it unless you've tried both. I have done just that. And if you're serious about Video Dj'n you would choose what the BEST choose because it's simple the BEST.



I agree 100% Crush! I also have both ME and VSL, and use only ME, and will continue to do so. I am totally happy with a Rane 57, or SL-3 box, 2.2 and ME (can't wait for ME 2.0 to release). Serato had plenty of opportunity to do something with VSL......2 or 3 years and not even a single transition or effect was released, but chose to let it go. ME jumped in and put out a superior product bottom line! Just imagine if Nick/Inklen decided to make an entire new DJ software...........If it would be as good as ME, I wonder how many people would switch?


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Hope to see everyone at the Video Dj Conference this year -

(cant wait to see if Serato VSL / Mix Emergency will be there representing their products)



Reps from Rane AND Nick from ME was there last year.........not a peep from a Serato Rep though. THAT showed me how much Serato cares about video DJ'n
dpetree 1:41 PM - 10 February, 2012
So true
sixxx 3:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
Apple makes iPads. All kinds of manufacturers make cases that are "compatible" with iPads following the design specifications that Apple has came up with.

When new iPads come to the market, is Apple supposed to contact every case manufacturer of the changes to make sure they're on board? Or, is every manufacturer out there (not licensed by Apple) supposed to just measure they new iPad when it comes out and design and release new compatible cases as soon as possible?

Think about that for a minute.
AVENUE 3:55 PM - 10 February, 2012
Last I recall Serato is a private company and they can do what they feel is best for them. I am with serato. As much as I like ME, I feel that in time Serato video will be great. Maybe not out the gate but in time. We have no clue what is in store for serato video. So let's all chill out and if you are a true dj its not about the videos its always about the audio. How much fun is it watching a movie on mute. Word
Dj Nyce 3:55 PM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid thanks for posting this thread and answering questions. consumers who invest time and money into a product like and need to have feedback from the company that they are supporting.

that said i completely understand why (either intentionally or unintentionally) SSL 2.4 won't work with ME. It would have been the right thing to do to make this announcement at the beginning of the year or make the 2.4 beta public so consumers can see what will and will not work with 2.4 (bridge, ME, etc). Not after customers fork over dough for a new $2,000 2-channel mixer that won't work with the best video plug-in on the market.

The only reason why so many customers have shifted to ME is because you guys abandoned VSL. Not a peep from developers in the VSL section for years, not an update in years, no new features in years.

Now if Serato Video has a roadmap that includes every single feature that ME has and take it a step further and innovate on top of that alot, of video DJ's would feel a little safer upgrading to a 61/62 and SSL 2.4.

So far, the only new feature of Serato Video is it's ability to work with Itch and a new name. And if that's not the case let's hear what the new features are.

I'm not sure what has happened in the last few years but your communication skills has dwindled and all of this backlash and potential loss of sales could have been avoided.

p.s. if you haven't been to inklen forums, Nick has confirmed that ME 2.0 will not work 2.4.
phatbob 4:04 PM - 10 February, 2012
Sixxx:

That's hardware, not software. In software terms Apple release developer previews of their OS updates so software partners can make their products compatible.

Inklen are not currently a software partner with Serato, of course.

But my argument is that they SHOULD be.
djcrap 4:05 PM - 10 February, 2012
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WHat is a MIX emergency????????????


It's when paramedics take your to the E.R for treatment because bottles where thrown at you for train wrecking mixes at the club.
sixxx 4:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Sixxx:

That's hardware, not software. In software terms Apple release developer previews of their OS updates so software partners can make their products compatible.

Inklen are not currently a software partner with Serato, of course.

But my argument is that they SHOULD be.


Perhaps, but Serato has a PRODUCT that ME IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH. You don't shoot yourself in your own foot. nm
djcrap 4:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
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ll say one more thing... if the Mixtape/Bridge Relation with Ableton can't be resolved, stabilized, and made to be kickass... then there is your example for the people that want inklen and serato to collab.... they couldn't even make the legit partnership work.....



hahahahhahha damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! you nailed it...lol
djcrap 4:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
^^^^^ end of thread rich here cause it sums up every thing ranted here.
djcrap 4:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
rich= thread
sixxx 4:12 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So, end of thread thread? lmao
DJ Tapout 4:16 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Brigid thanks for posting this thread and answering questions. consumers who invest time and money into a product like and need to have feedback from the company that they are supporting.

that said i completely understand why (either intentionally or unintentionally) SSL 2.4 won't work with ME. It would have been the right thing to do to make this announcement at the beginning of the year or make the 2.4 beta public so consumers can see what will and will not work with 2.4 (bridge, ME, etc). Not after customers fork over dough for a new $2,000 2-channel mixer that won't work with the best video plug-in on the market.

The only reason why so many customers have shifted to ME is because you guys abandoned VSL. Not a peep from developers in the VSL section for years, not an update in years, no new features in years.

Now if Serato Video has a roadmap that includes every single feature that ME has and take it a step further and innovate on top of that alot, of video DJ's would feel a little safer upgrading to a 61/62 and SSL 2.4.

So far, the only new feature of Serato Video is it's ability to work with Itch and a new name. And if that's not the case let's hear what the new features are.

I'm not sure what has happened in the last few years but your communication skills has dwindled and all of this backlash and potential loss of sales could have been avoided.

p.s. if you haven't been to inklen forums, Nick has confirmed that ME 2.0 will not work 2.4.


This is a great post. We all would love to know what the new features in VSL are.....

That said i completely understand why (either intentionally or unintentionally) SSL 2.4 won't work with ME. It would have been the right thing to do to make this announcement at the beginning of the year or make the 2.4 beta public so consumers can see what will and will not work with 2.4 (bridge, ME, etc). Not after customers fork over dough for a new $2,000 2-channel mixer that won't work with the best video plug-in on the market.


And would love to know a answer for this also. Why not tell us when we all found out about the new mixers.....(That is only works with 2.4)

And would love to know the release date for the new 2.4 so we can all see for our self what it has and dont have.

Also i thought the 62 was midi mappable for other software ( Is this true? )

serato.com

thanks
DJ Munkie C 4:23 PM - 10 February, 2012
Oh man, this is some crazy stuff. So much input from so many sides. Now its time for my side. I get so much good advice from all of the top video dj's and they all use ME. I think its a great product. But there is one thing. I dont have it. I've used it on other video dj's set ups. The reason is i'm just old school and every time a product is released, the competitor would release a better product. I was playing on dvjs for a long time before switching to Serato vsl. It was a big cost for me, but I liked it in the end. I'm able to use my old turntables and carry less gear. No more dvds! Then I saw ME. I thought to my self "Wow! thats awesome. I wonder what serato is going to come up with to beat that." and every year I wait and nothing. Like every other vj, I have to pay bills. ME is an added expense. Sure its not much, but pile it on a bunch of monthly bills. So this year I'm just going to get ME. But, they have new release! and wait! Serato has a new release! So this is the problem that I have every year. I'm not endorsed by either company(but if they want to, they can) So im not picking sides. I like Serato, but I wished they would have stayed on track with updates and added features. Oh Serato I have my fingers crossed for you. If you dont have a superior product or make some kind of agreement between Serato/ME software, it will be rough. Listen to your customers. Theres no guessing here,they are telling you what they want from your product! Research and Development! This is a world of supply and demand. All it takes is someone to listen, develop a product like yours, enhance it with ME features, collaborate with a great mixer, and you'll be out of business. If people demand it enough, someone will supply it. I'll wait for both parties to release the new stuff and bug repair, and the I will decide.
djcrap 4:24 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So, end of thread thread? lmao


hahahahahahhaha yea
phatbob 4:26 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Perhaps, but Serato has a PRODUCT that ME IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH. You don't shoot yourself in your own foot. nm


What, like Apple iWork and Microsoft Office?

Like FCP and Adobe Premier?

Like Logic and Ableton Live?

Yeah, totally see your point.
sixxx 4:30 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Perhaps, but Serato has a PRODUCT that ME IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH. You don't shoot yourself in your own foot. nm


What, like Apple iWork and Microsoft Office?

Like FCP and Adobe Premier?

Like Logic and Ableton Live?

Yeah, totally see your point.


Of course you don't, you're telling me Microsoft gave apple all the codes for Apple to create iWork?

Or, did FCP give Adobe their codes so the competition would come up with something similar?

Or, did ... nevermind.

I guess, you DON'T SEE my point.
sixxx 4:32 PM - 10 February, 2012
Btw, Apple should have given Droid all the codes to make everything the iPhone has work with a Droid. Oh wait, no they didn't. Droid came up with all their own thing (while copying some stuff and getting sued in the process). Does that sound familiar?
BERTO 4:32 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Perhaps, but Serato has a PRODUCT that ME IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH. You don't shoot yourself in your own foot. nm


What, like Apple iWork and Microsoft Office?

Like FCP and Adobe Premier?

Like Logic and Ableton Live?

Yeah, totally see your point.


Of course you don't, you're telling me Microsoft gave apple all the codes for Apple to create iWork?

Or, did FCP give Adobe their codes so the competition would come up with something similar?

Or, did ... nevermind.

I guess, you DON'T SEE my point.


Even better point microsoft made office work for apple ....
phatbob 4:36 PM - 10 February, 2012
Nope. But they gave them developer previews of Lion.

MS Office is even coming to IOS this year.

If Serato has a problem with ME they should have shut it down DAY 1.

To cut it off now is just removing features from the Scratch Live ecosystem which Serato have so far been unwilling or unable to provide.
sixxx 4:40 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Nope. But they gave them developer previews of Lion.


This is for Apple's OWN GOOD. Because, the software that is available for a computer IS WHAT MAKES A COMPUTER more likeable by consumers.

Unlike that, Serato doesn't have to do that if they provide their own software. They could BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

Who is to say that Serato and Inklen were already in talks and Inklen said, hell no? Maybe Serato wanted Inklen to be Serato ME but that didn't work. Well, here we are.

I do agree with this though...
"If Serato has a problem with ME they should have shut it down DAY 1."

The next best thing is what they're doing now. Building a new video from the ground up that could eventually be the best thing. Unless you can see the future, you can' tell me this couldn't be possible.

"To cut it off now is just removing features from the Scratch Live ecosystem which Serato have so far been unwilling or unable to provide. "

So be it... it needed to "stop" at some point. nm
phatbob 4:43 PM - 10 February, 2012
Eventually. So I am precluded from using any new Rane hardware and any new Serato software until Serato Video reaches feature-parity with ME. Which could take years, if it ever happens.

On what level is that good customer service?
VJ Justin Allen 4:43 PM - 10 February, 2012
I am sure that 2 years ago there were no plans to take Itch and make it more like ScratchLive...that determination came from the users. In order to do that Serato believed that it would take an entire re-write of the Serato code, the Itch code, and yes, the VSL code.

And if the VSL plug-in was the focal point of their business you can bet that it would have been rewritten first. SInce it's one of the last pieces of code to be worked on I can only assume that held out as long as they could of before starting down this path.

I would imagine that from Serato's point of view, having all of their code on a single core base is a good thing. And it certainly seems like it's going to be a better thing moving forward in terms of more controllers for Itch, and more improvements for ScratchLive and Serato Video.
djcrap 4:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Nope. But they gave them developer previews of Lion.

MS Office is even coming to IOS this year.

If Serato has a problem with ME they should have shut it down DAY 1.

To cut it off now is just removing features from the Scratch Live ecosystem which Serato have so far been unwilling or unable to provide.


Even a better point
why doesn't ME out of good faith give the codes to serato so they can make it work with 2.4?
what is ME scared that their codes will be borrowed or stolen and be used in serato video. well if that is the case i don't see any reason why serato should be the first to give out it's sl code to ME out of good faith.
sixxx 4:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Eventually. So I am precluded from using any new Rane hardware and any new Serato software until Serato Video reaches feature-parity with ME. Which could take years, if it ever happens.

On what level is that good customer service?


Good customer service is this.

They came up with new hardware. They came up with a new plug in that will also work with the software that their new hardware needs. Period. That's the end.
That's good customer service. You take care of YOUR OWN.

Now, you BUILD on Video and make it what it should've been from the beginning. There.
nm
sixxx 4:46 PM - 10 February, 2012
"Even a better point
why doesn't ME out of good faith give the codes to serato so they can make it work with 2.4?
what is ME scared that their codes will be borrowed or stolen and be used in serato video. well if that is the case i don't see any reason why serato should be the first to give out it's sl code to ME out of good faith. "

Exactly!!!! nm
sixxx 4:46 PM - 10 February, 2012
Like I said, you don't shoot yourself on the foot.
nm
sixxx 4:48 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I am sure that 2 years ago there were no plans to take Itch and make it more like ScratchLive...that determination came from the users. In order to do that Serato believed that it would take an entire re-write of the Serato code, the Itch code, and yes, the VSL code.

And if the VSL plug-in was the focal point of their business you can bet that it would have been rewritten first. SInce it's one of the last pieces of code to be worked on I can only assume that held out as long as they could of before starting down this path.

I would imagine that from Serato's point of view, having all of their code on a single core base is a good thing. And it certainly seems like it's going to be a better thing moving forward in terms of more controllers for Itch, and more improvements for ScratchLive and Serato Video.


This...
phatbob 4:51 PM - 10 February, 2012
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That's good customer service. You take care of YOUR CUSTOMERS


There, fixed that for you.
sixxx 4:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
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That's good customer service. You take care of YOUR CUSTOMERS


There, fixed that for you.


You know what ME should do? They should design their own softare like SSL... problem solved.


:)

nm
Joshua Carl 4:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
Actually, it's more like apple changed the code so angry birds won't work. Does angry birds need the iPhone and iPad to survive?
I think that's a fair statement.
Sure it's available on other platforms.

So the angry birds people one day wake up and go:
" oui mate, u see our program don't work in the apple products new OS? "

So they go back and tweak it so it DOES work with the new OS.

But for some reason, it still won't work.
And when people complain their angry birds don't work anymore;
Apple tells them for the good of the OS, they changed it up; and a casualty
Of thT change was angry birds ... But you are free to download
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d .


I'm the worst when it comes to analogies.
But Brigid made it clear that that there's still dialogue between inklen and ME ; let's hope they come to a mutually beneficial solution.
sixxx 4:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
software even... lol
phatbob 4:58 PM - 10 February, 2012
I'm curious, sixxx, are you a MixEmergency user?

It's just, if you aren't, I'd like to know how having Inklen licence (with money) the ability to provide compatibility with SL would effect your life in a negative way? Or indeed any way at all?
VJ Justin Allen 5:02 PM - 10 February, 2012
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But Brigid made it clear that that there's still dialogue between inklen and ME ; let's hope they come to a mutually beneficial solution.


Nick's most recent quote over on the Mix Emergency forums

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Unfortunately this comes as a bit of a surprise - previously we have been in talks, and had at least agreed that if this (to end support for MixEmergency) was the case then we would work out how and when to deliver this message in a co-ordinated fashion (so that we could be prepared, and be clear as to not confuse our users).

I'll let you know when I know more - but the general message from Serato seems to be clear that there will be no compatibility with MixEmergency in Scratch Live 2.4.



It still seems like they are quite far apart.
sixxx 5:04 PM - 10 February, 2012
Yup. I'm a MixEmergency user. I LOVE ME better than VSL...

I'm also open to the idea of Serato Video being a great add-on to SSL (EVENTUALLY). I believe they should have never abandoned VSL the way they did.

I bought the 57 because of VSL. I wanted to mix videos and I did. Eventually, VSL wasn't improved upon but I still used VSL because IT WORKED. Then, ME came up with some cool features that VSL should have and I switched. But, I may switch back to Serato Video when and if I ever need to and it meets my needs. Right now, I have a 57 that works great with ME, VSL and SSL. I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE NEWEST HARDWARE WHEN IT'S RELEASED.

The 57 works for me for now. I'm sure things will get resolved eventually. nm
phatbob 5:05 PM - 10 February, 2012
Mixtape support gets dropped and users find out via a throwaway post in the Bridge forum.

And now this.

Winner of the corporate communications award 2012 goes to... Well not Serato, obviously.
sixxx 5:07 PM - 10 February, 2012
If they do get resolved, I will get new Rane hardware. At that point, maybe things are resolved between Serato and Inklen and we have a new ME that works with whatever version of SSL is out. Or, perhaps at that time Serato Video is awesome and that's the end of it.

I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE... and neither can you.

nm
phatbob 5:08 PM - 10 February, 2012
Fair enough sixxx.

I've said all along I'll switch to SV in a heartbeat when it is as good as ME.

But that time is not now.

And I just genuinely, honestly, cannot understand why a licensing deal would not be beneficial to both companies. Nobody thinks Inklen should get a free ride.
VJ Justin Allen 5:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
It was also announced in this thread as well...at the top. I wouldn't call that a throwaway posting.
sixxx 5:12 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Fair enough sixxx.

I've said all along I'll switch to SV in a heartbeat when it is as good as ME.

But that time is not now.

Oh, believe me, I agree with you 100%.

Quote:


And I just genuinely, honestly, cannot understand why a licensing deal would not be beneficial to both companies. Nobody thinks Inklen should get a free ride.


Yup.
DJ Prinvale` 5:22 PM - 10 February, 2012
I'm on Serato side here.

All ya'll sound like 12 year old who don't get everything they want. *waaaa* *waaaa*

I'll be quick to backhand my kid if he acts even remotely like some of you complainers.
phatbob 5:28 PM - 10 February, 2012
Did you even bother to read the whole thread?

I'd backhand my kid if he had such a reductionist attitude as you.
phatbob 5:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
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It was also announced in this thread as well...at the top. I wouldn't call that a throwaway posting.


It was mentioned by a Serato staffer in the Bridge forums a few days ago. Like it was old news.
Dj Nyce 5:31 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm on Serato side here.

All ya'll sound like 12 year old who don't get everything they want. *waaaa* *waaaa*

I'll be quick to backhand my kid if he acts even remotely like some of you complainers.


such a useless post. why are you in this thread?
DJ Prinvale` 5:33 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Did you even bother to read the whole thread?

I'd backhand my kid if he had such a reductionist attitude as you.


Every last word...IMO most of the people in here have the "participation" trophy syndrom. Everybody thinks they should get something :)
DJ Prinvale` 5:33 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I'm on Serato side here.

All ya'll sound like 12 year old who don't get everything they want. *waaaa* *waaaa*

I'll be quick to backhand my kid if he acts even remotely like some of you complainers.


such a useless post. why are you in this thread?


Because if people who bitch get a say, why can't the people who agree with Serato get one?
Joshua Carl 5:36 PM - 10 February, 2012
You clearly completely misunderstood Adam Corolla's point.
phatbob 5:36 PM - 10 February, 2012
So which do you use, ME or VSL?
DJ Prinvale` 5:37 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So which do you use, ME or VSL?


Do you drive a Chevy or a Ford?
djpuma_gemini 5:38 PM - 10 February, 2012
What about seeing it this way.



What if it were worded this way.

Make ME pay a fee to have ME work with 2.4?
phatbob 5:39 PM - 10 February, 2012
Neither, but I don't talk about them on forums, as I wouldn't claim to have sufficient knowledge to do so.
DJ Prinvale` 5:41 PM - 10 February, 2012
Knowledge of a particular product is your argument? haha oh man

if that's the case NOBODY except Serato team should be saying anything.
phatbob 5:41 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Every last word...IMO most of the people in here have the "participation" trophy syndrom. Everybody thinks they should get something :)


You may have read the thread but you appear to have misunderstood it.

As professional users of video DJ software, we ask for the ability to PAY to use the best software available. No sense of entitlement here.
DJ Prinvale` 5:42 PM - 10 February, 2012
I drive a Honda, I'm an expert in all things HONDA!
BERTO 5:44 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I drive a Honda, I'm an expert in all things HONDA!

Hondas are pretty easy bro.... A screwdriver and a carwash bay and you can fix most honda problems without a shop...lol
DJ Prinvale` 5:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Quote:
I drive a Honda, I'm an expert in all things HONDA!

Hondas are pretty easy bro.... A screwdriver and a carwash bay and you can fix most honda problems without a shop...lol


haha bad analogy! How about a German car?
phatbob 5:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
Maybe. Maybe not.

But as a Honda driver you have a reasonable stake in the fortunes of Honda, so should feel entitled to comment.

That certainly wouldn't make you an expert in Fords. So I wouldn't listen to much you had to say about Fords.
BERTO 5:46 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Quote:
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I drive a Honda, I'm an expert in all things HONDA!

Hondas are pretty easy bro.... A screwdriver and a carwash bay and you can fix most honda problems without a shop...lol


haha bad analogy! How about a German car?

Exactly like upgrading transmission software.....yea good luck lol
Eric N 5:46 PM - 10 February, 2012
Brigid, I have a question that I'm hoping you can answer...

If I download and install Serato Video to run with ITCH, will it disable/overwrite the current VideoSL?

Meaning, can I keep using 2.3.3 and ME (utilizing VSL) when I play with SSL, but use Serato Video when I play with ITCH?

If this works, it will hold me over until Serato Video catches up with ME. Otherwise I'm afraid to download Serato Video for my VCI-300 and lose my ability to record sets with ME. I use SSL for 99% of my shows, but it would be nice to be able to practice video blends on the VCI at home. :(

Thanks!
phatbob 5:47 PM - 10 February, 2012
Loads of people bitch and moan about the 68.

I don't comment on that, because I don't own a 68. What do I have to offer their conversation apart from sweeping judgemental statements about 12 year olds?
DJ Prinvale` 5:48 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Loads of people bitch and moan about the 68.

I don't comment on that, because I don't own a 68. What do I have to offer their conversation apart from sweeping judgemental statements about 12 year olds?


By that logic, 2.4 /61/62 isn't out yet...can you fill in the rest or do I need to spell it out for you?
phatbob 5:49 PM - 10 February, 2012
I think you do need to spell it out because that post makes no sense at all.
DJ Prinvale` 5:50 PM - 10 February, 2012
Rebelguy 5:52 PM - 10 February, 2012
So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone.

Solution #1: DON"T UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF SCRATCHLIVE PAST 2.3.3. You will still get to use Mixtape and ME.

I don't see this as much of a problem because there are a lot of guys still stuck on 1.9.2. What is 2.4 bringing to the table...support for two new mixers. Yay...now see solution #2.

Solution #2: DON'T BUY A RANE SIXTY ONE, SIXTY TWO or SIXTYTWO Z.

If you want mixtape then get a 57 or 68.

If you want to use ME then there are a lot of great midi capable mixers that will work with the program.
Rebelguy 5:52 PM - 10 February, 2012
Meant to say "So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get BACK reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone."
DJ Prinvale` 5:53 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone.

Solution #1: DON"T UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF SCRATCHLIVE PAST 2.3.3. You will still get to use Mixtape and ME.

I don't see this as much of a problem because there are a lot of guys still stuck on 1.9.2. What is 2.4 bringing to the table...support for two new mixers. Yay...now see solution #2.

Solution #2: DON'T BUY A RANE SIXTY ONE, SIXTY TWO or SIXTYTWO Z.

If you want mixtape then get a 57 or 68.

If you want to use ME then there are a lot of great midi capable mixers that will work with the program.


Get that sense & logic out of this thread!!! No place for it in here ;)
damehype 5:53 PM - 10 February, 2012
If a company decides to update and improve their own competing product, why don't they have that right? It is not Serato's responsibility to ensure another company's superior competing product's compatibility. You guys brought up totally wrong analogies as far as Apple. A better analogy is what happened with Apple and Power Computing when Steve Jobs took back the reins. Apple killed the PowerPc clones so that it can regain control of it's own roadmap and overall perception of the company. It killed the OpenOS project a couple of years ago... why?.... because those systems used unlicensed versions of their proprietary OS X. Has that hurt Apple? Not one bit. If you wanna bitch and whine and complain, petition Inklen to make a truly standalone version of ME. Or use VDJ. Or STFU and at least give change a try. My 2 cents.....
Rebelguy 5:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Get that sense & logic out of this thread!!! No place for it in here ;)


Haha...exactly.
BERTO 5:57 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So I just spent 20 minutes of my life that I will never get reading all this insanity and I have two easy solutions for everyone.

Solution #1: DON"T UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF SCRATCHLIVE PAST 2.3.3. You will still get to use Mixtape and ME.

I don't see this as much of a problem because there are a lot of guys still stuck on 1.9.2. What is 2.4 bringing to the table...support for two new mixers. Yay...now see solution #2.

Solution #2: DON'T BUY A RANE SIXTY ONE, SIXTY TWO or SIXTYTWO Z.

If you want mixtape then get a 57 or 68.

If you want to use ME then there are a lot of great midi capable mixers that will work with the program.


So as a business Rane should be ok with less 62/1 sales? I agree people wanting me cannot upgrade but this is hurting Rane...i think
aireyc 6:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
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And I just genuinely, honestly, cannot understand why a licensing deal would not be beneficial to both companies. Nobody thinks Inklen should get a free ride.


A licensing deal would almost certainly heavily favor Inklen and not Serato. Consider the following:

1) How much money would Serato get from the licensing deal? If everyone were to switch to Serato Video, they're getting $150/license. How much are they going to get from ME? Certainly not $150/license. Plus since ME is a superior product, Serato could essentially lose potential Video customers who move to ME instead of purchasing Video.

2) The only thing a licensing deal means over the current situation is that Serato would have to keep the ME guys up-to-date on any changes to Serato software in exchange for a relatively small fee. In other words, the software would be "supported" by Serato and they'd have to defer development time on their own products to offer support for a product that is both a) a competitor and b) bringing in less money for them than their own product.

3) Inklen would prefer a licensing deal because there wouldn't be any guessing as to how to keep ME compatible, and whenever something changes on the Serato end, they'd be handed the changes on a shiny platter. In short, their lives become easier for relatively little cost.

4) Serato may not have anything against ME per se, but why would they want to help sustain a competitor? It's one thing if Serato Video/Video-SL didn't exist, then I could see where they'd benefit from licensing, but Serato Video does exist and Serato probably has some big plans for it over the coming years. Sign a licensing deal now, and you're just making it way harder to sell your own product in the future. Plus, Inklen would also have more time to develop features if they didn't have to keep thinking about coming up with workarounds. That would make ME an even stronger competitor to Video.

Of course if you're an ME user right now then you'd favor the deal, but such a deal could actually hurt you in the long run if Serato uses some of its resources to support ME instead of enhancing SSL and Video. For all we know, Serato Video may be the superior product within a year (do you have their development road map?), and a licensing deal would simply extend that road map, hurting both you and Serato Video users.
phatbob 6:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
Some logical and thoughtful points aireyc.

My response:

1. The licencing fee should be $150. Or the trade price of a boxed copy of SV if they plan to offer that. Or ME should only work with an SV licence. People will pay for ME. Because it is better.

2. There has been one significant change which has effected the link between them in 4 years. Not exactly a regular job to keep that updated.

3. Again, don't make it a 'little' cost. Make it substantial. Better value for Serato to get $150 for that, than to develop their own software.

4. Again, ME don't spend time coming up with 'workarounds'. They spend time working on the product. Which Serato have failed to do for 2 years.

The whole point is that ME has existed for years without Serato giving it resources. Licencing the ability to 'plugin' to 2.4 shouldn't require resources from Serato any more than in the past.
DjWoody 6:12 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Or, did FCP give Adobe their codes so the competition would come up with something similar?


Actually, it's the other way around and it's a very similar story to what's happening with Serato & Inklen. Adobe Premier came first and as a matter of fact, FCP is based on Premier. That's why if you compare the interfaces, they are very similar. Well, at least until before the current version.

Back in the 90's, the guy who wrote Premier left Adobe to go work at Macromedia, who at the time wanted to make a video editing software. FCP was born to Macromedia. Later on, Apple bought FCP from Macromedia.
DjWoody 6:13 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Btw, Apple should have given Droid all the codes to make everything the iPhone has work with a Droid. Oh wait, no they didn't. Droid came up with all their own thing (while copying some stuff and getting sued in the process). Does that sound familiar?


Droid is a phone, Android is the operating system.
DjWoody 6:17 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Even better point microsoft made office work for apple ....


Actually, Office has been available for the Mac before Office was even out for the PC. They're complete different programs that do similar functionality. Microsoft has the Mac Business Unit which writes programs specifically for Mac Os. They don't just translate buggy software. Microsoft made this point loud and clear when they renewed their commitment with Apple several years back.
DJBRIANM 6:24 PM - 10 February, 2012
I have a novel idea.....what if the new VSL works better than ME..just saying
Rebelguy 6:26 PM - 10 February, 2012
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So as a business Rane should be ok with less 62/1 sales? I agree people wanting me cannot upgrade but this is hurting Rane...i think


Rane is a whole different discussion. My points were simply that this latest upgrade is not the end of the world. 2.4 is not bringing anything new to the table except support for the new mixers. In fact it is taking away more by removing the mixtape feature (at this time) and ME compatibility. If you don't have to have one of the new mixers then everything works perfectly well.
Rebelguy 6:27 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I have a novel idea.....what if the new VSL works better than ME..just saying


But it won't.
Rebelguy 6:27 PM - 10 February, 2012
Just saying.
Rebelguy 6:27 PM - 10 February, 2012
Just saying.
Quote:
I have a novel idea.....what if the new VSL works better than ME..just saying
VJ Justin Allen 6:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
The Serato / Rane partnership may in fact lose some mixer sales because of the switch to Serato Video. However the Serato / Itch controller partnership will gain many more sales because of this switch.

From a sales increase based purely on hardware sales, I see Serato coming out ahead on this.
BERTO 6:34 PM - 10 February, 2012
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The Serato / Rane partnership may in fact lose some mixer sales because of the switch to Serato Video. However the Serato / Itch controller partnership will gain many more sales because of this switch.

From a sales increase based purely on hardware sales, I see Serato coming out ahead on this.

Im looking at all of this from Rane's standpoint, i coupd care less about video or the bridge but do not like that Rane will lose sales bc of Serato's moves
monchi 6:43 PM - 10 February, 2012
Will I still be able to rip my vinyl ? Or Should I keep my 57sl?
djpuma_gemini 6:48 PM - 10 February, 2012
This whole thing reminds me of how the Sonics got sold and they left Seattle for Oklahoma,
Just like Nick left Serato for Inklen.
Now the Sacramento Kings are about to get possibly sold and Seattle might pick them up, but Serato won't be able to pick up Inklen cause they aren't selling. Just like the Sacramento Mayor said he won't let the kings go.

Understand?
DJ Tapout 7:22 PM - 10 February, 2012
I have been thinking about this for a while now and all this is going to do (adding video to itch) is give bedroom DJ's a chance to go out and take gigs from DJ VJ that have been in the game a long time..... I still use my 1200's, 57, Scratch 2.2, ME 1.7, Dicers.

My point is now it seems like anyone (when itch has video) can go out and by a controller and itch with VSL and call them self a Video DJ.........

Don't get me wrong i am great at what i do and has 2 resident VJ spots but for the people that don't really have a resident spot and have been in the game for a long time this is going to kill them......

**** First we got FreeJ's (bedroom so called dj's that do gigs for free) now we going to have FreeVJ's ****

Has anyone thought about this?????
damehype 7:27 PM - 10 February, 2012
^ Video for Itch is probably gonna require a very powerful computer and video card, seeing that Itch is already very resource hungry. A lot of "freeVJs" won't be able to run it smoothly on their cheap PC lappys. So... not necessarily
DJ Tapout 7:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
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^ Video for Itch is probably gonna require a very powerful computer and video card, seeing that Itch is already very resource hungry. A lot of "freeVJs" won't be able to run it smoothly on their cheap PC lappys. So... not necessarily


LOL true
phatbob 7:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
VirtualDJ has had video for a long time. Noobs can already do video as easily as audio.

Of course, having a powerful pro tool like ME is a good way to help you set yourself apart, but Serato don't want us to have that anymore.
damehype 7:37 PM - 10 February, 2012
@ Phatbob... Have you written to Nick at Inklen or started a petition on their forum to make ME standalone. You say you and others would gladly pay. How about getting all of the ME users to donate to help Inklen's R&D develop a standalone version of ME?
Rebelguy 7:46 PM - 10 February, 2012
Are talking about a totally new DVS system? If not I am not sure how it would be possible to sync the video and audio without there being some sort of communication between the two programs.
phatbob 7:47 PM - 10 February, 2012
I've been in contact with Nick at Inklen.

They aren't going to make a DVS, because Inklen = Nick. One man is not going to make a DVS to compete with Scratch Live.

I think this is where a lot of people are getting it all wrong. Inklen aren't some evil company trying to rip off Serato. Inklen is one guy, making a boutique piece of software and building in features that Serato users can't get from Serato.
Rebelguy 7:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I think this is where a lot of people are getting it all wrong. Inklen aren't some evil company trying to rip off Serato. Inklen is one guy, making a boutique piece of software and building in features that Serato users can't get from Serato.


Pretty much.

I am not sure if we will see ME working with 2.4 and beyond. Since Nick previously worked at Serato I am sure he had some pretty in-depth knowledge of the source code behind the programs (Scratchlive and VSL). Since they did a complete rewrite of Serato Video I am pretty sure there are some major changes to the code that he wouldn't have access to.
Rebelguy 8:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
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I've been in contact with Nick at Inklen.

They aren't going to make a DVS, because Inklen = Nick. One man is not going to make a DVS to compete with Scratch Live.



If a new agreement is not reached with Serato then he should explore other options. He could approach NI (Traktor), Avid (Torq), MixVibes or even work with the guys starting that new DVS system called "The One."

Traktor getting video would definitely have an impact on the DVS market.
phatbob 8:08 PM - 10 February, 2012
I would agree that he'd be sensible to do that.

Ultimately, for me:

VideoSL > ME

Scratch Live = Traktor

I'd have no problem swapping to Traktor. But I couldn't go back to VSL.

SV might be better, of course, but that remains to be seen. Certainly the promotional material suggests no improvement.
SiRocket 8:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
undercutter vj's hopefully will boost the vj scene and offer competition and reasons to have skills on the DECKS not of your video edits and effects.... has anyone been to a video dj battle lately....?? lol
SiRocket 8:11 PM - 10 February, 2012
not how many video edits and effects you have*

I guess i don't have skills on the keys today... lol
Deejay Sessions 8:12 PM - 10 February, 2012
honestly give me two turntables two channels a fader and a beer F**K It
Karl W 8:12 PM - 10 February, 2012
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Because any video dj I know that is actually good at what they do use ME.


How arrogant are you??

I have use VSL and 1.9.2 for the last 2 years and I can do many things with my system that ME cannot do. Oh, and I have been doing video for the last 8 years and listening to everyone say that ME is the only way you can video rock your crowd is truly pathetic. If that's the case just quit your residency now...

+10000000

Every SERIOUS VJ out-there uses ME... VSL is a joke.....

I'll say it now...if you don't like the changes go to another program...leave. No one is going to miss you. Jump ship, scatter, whine and cry, whatever.

Listening to this crap for the next 3 months is going to drive people crazy.


Well seeing as how most video dj's I know or that are high up in the game use ME. I don't hear smashvidz saying use VSL.
Not arrogant if it's correct.
Karl W 8:15 PM - 10 February, 2012
+1000000 on above post!! ME is the only program for video... VSL is like playing youtube videos
Code:E 8:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
+1000000 on above post!! ME is the only program for video... VSL is like playing youtube videos

+1000000000000
sixxx 8:29 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I think this is where a lot of people are getting it all wrong. Inklen aren't some evil company trying to rip off Serato. Inklen is one guy, making a boutique piece of software and building in features that Serato users can't get from Serato... yet.


fixed
sixxx 8:31 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
+1000000 on above post!! ME is the only program for video... VSL is like playing youtube videos


Seriously? lmao....

Let me tell you straight up two features I like better in ME that I like in VSL. The text and graphics feature.

Now, I like how VSL is better when scratch mixing....

But, to say it's like playing youtube videos is MORONIC.... that means that YOU ARE PLAYING YOUTUBE videos. So, pay for a good service and play better videos.

nm
Joshua Carl 8:43 PM - 10 February, 2012
aside, not too get too "off topic" here...

Sixxx I dont know if your aware but there are very powerful fader adjustments in the
the Mix Emergency panels that allow you to tweak how the fader effects the video
(without changing the contour curve on your mixer)
this was implemented for us guys who like to cut, but want the video to react very rapidly (exactly like the physical fader movements)
or a little more subtle on the video so the screen isnt going bezerk when you ripping a boomerang cut...
or somwhere 1/2 way between

you might already know this... but incase you didnt.
when I made the switch I felt the same exact way... then they put that in.
Brigid 8:45 PM - 10 February, 2012
I'm in and out over the weekend, so excuse the intermittent communication, but here goes...

Quote:
Now if Serato Video has a roadmap that includes every single feature that ME has and take it a step further and innovate on top of that alot, of video DJ's would feel a little safer upgrading to a 61/62 and SSL 2.4.

I'm not sure what has happened in the last few years but your communication skills has dwindled and all of this backlash and potential loss of sales could have been avoided.

I can't share the roadmap with you unfortunately, and I think the best thing in a situation like this would be action, rather than words.

I'm sorry you feel like we don't communicate enough - we are on the forum all the time, but perhaps we aren't vocal enough. Thanks for the feedback.
Eric N 8:47 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
aside, not too get too "off topic" here...

Sixxx I dont know if your aware but there are very powerful fader adjustments in the
the Mix Emergency panels that allow you to tweak how the fader effects the video
(without changing the contour curve on your mixer)
this was implemented for us guys who like to cut, but want the video to react very rapidly (exactly like the physical fader movements)
or a little more subtle on the video so the screen isnt going bezerk when you ripping a boomerang cut...
or somwhere 1/2 way between

you might already know this... but incase you didnt.
when I made the switch I felt the same exact way... then they put that in.


Where in the options are these adjustments?

Also, slightly off topic also but since so many ME users are in the house (lol)...

If I have the same video loaded to both decks and the channel faders down on both, the video will show on one deck but not on the other (until I bring up the fader). Is this a setting in SSL/VSL that I need to adjust, or in ME? I want them BOTH to go black when lowered all the way with the volume faders...
Brigid 8:49 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
But Brigid made it clear that that there's still dialogue between inklen and ME ; let's hope they come to a mutually beneficial solution.

Quote:
It still seems like they are quite far apart.

There's still discussion happening between us and Inklen.
djpuma_gemini 8:50 PM - 10 February, 2012
How to I activate serato video?
Brigid 8:51 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Mixtape support gets dropped and users find out via a throwaway post in the Bridge forum.

I've said this a couple of times in this post, and at the beginning as well, there's still internal discussion going on about Mixtape in 2.4. We'll update you soon on this.
the_black_one 8:53 PM - 10 February, 2012
The reason i looked into ME was because one can record the video set. The updates for VLS took too long. When running VSL i have to run another program that uses more CPU from my computer to record my video mix than running ME. My computer is not the greatest but its also no slouch. This is not a complain from at all. Just letting serato know why someone like me looked for an alternative to a product that they provide to hopefully help serato see where the ball was dropped
sixxx 8:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
aside, not too get too "off topic" here...

Sixxx I dont know if your aware but there are very powerful fader adjustments in the
the Mix Emergency panels that allow you to tweak how the fader effects the video
(without changing the contour curve on your mixer)
this was implemented for us guys who like to cut, but want the video to react very rapidly (exactly like the physical fader movements)
or a little more subtle on the video so the screen isnt going bezerk when you ripping a boomerang cut...
or somwhere 1/2 way between

you might already know this... but incase you didnt.
when I made the switch I felt the same exact way... then they put that in.


Thanks. I need to look into this... cause right now I HATE THAT ABOUT ME. Glad there is a "fix" for it. Thanks
Karl W 8:55 PM - 10 February, 2012
@ sixxx...

If you cant see the difference in video quality on your output from ME buy some blueblockers:) they might help... lol
sixxx 8:56 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
The reason i looked into ME was because one can record the video set. The updates for VLS took too long. When running VSL i have to run another program that uses more CPU from my computer to record my video mix than running ME. My computer is not the greatest but its also no slouch. This is not a complain from at all. Just letting serato know why someone like me looked for an alternative to a product that they provide to hopefully help serato see where the ball was dropped


Oh yeah, being able to record video is awesome... though I haven't used it yet. lol

nm
sixxx 8:57 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
@ sixxx...

If you cant see the difference in video quality on your output from ME buy some blueblockers:) they might help... lol


My vision is 20/20.... thanks though. lol
Karl W 8:57 PM - 10 February, 2012
^^^ Get educated yo
Brigid 8:57 PM - 10 February, 2012
Eric N - I'll answer your question about running Serato Video and Video-SL at the same time soon, I just need to double check with the smart guys in the office (I, sadly, am only half nerd).
Joshua Carl 8:57 PM - 10 February, 2012
if you goto the options tab, then transitions.

inside there theres contours(Fot both up, and cross faders), then there is FADER CUT 0-25%

I messed with these...

one cool way to check to see how it flies is to use the IRIS SE transition.
and rip out some fast crabs...
asjust the parameters to your liking....

Theres a prett sweet "money spot" where u get the transitions to barely fire unless u move the fader more than a few CMs.
again... one of the cool things about ME is that it is TOTALLY custoizblle by the user.



again, thanks Brigd for coming and and commo'ing.
I think alot of people (myself included sometimes) exercise their voice as if they were stockholders and are vested in the company....
when in fact we are just users hoping our requests make it into the ears of the actual decision makers,
sixxx 8:59 PM - 10 February, 2012
Thanks Joshua Carl for that input. nm
Brigid 8:59 PM - 10 February, 2012
I'm happy to be here. It's a tough cookie for everyone - for the customers, for us and for Inklen. It's good to get conversation going about it so that we can see all sides of the situation.
the_black_one 9:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
Im sure sam is reading :-)
sixxx 9:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
^^^ Get educated yo


You mean like how ME needs to have a certain setting or it looks like shit as opposed to VSL that look okay without me having to do anything? I agree. Let's get educated YO!
Eric N 9:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
Thank you Brigid and JC!
VJ Justin Allen 9:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I think alot of people (myself included sometimes) exercise their voice as if they were stockholders and are vested in the company....
when in fact we are just users hoping our requests make it into the ears of the actual decision makers,


Awesome comment!
the_black_one 9:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
The NBA, NFL, now the dj lock out....... LOL
sixxx 9:01 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I think alot of people (myself included sometimes) exercise their voice as if they were stockholders and are vested in the company....
when in fact we are just users hoping our requests make it into the ears of the actual decision makers,


Awesome comment!


+666
sixxx 9:01 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
The NBA, NFL, now the dj lock out....... LOL


ha!
Eric N 9:01 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
^^^ Get educated yo


You mean like how ME needs to have a certain setting or it looks like shit as opposed to VSL that look okay without me having to do anything? I agree. Let's get educated YO!


I will say this...

When hooking up with composite or even VGA adapters, the picture quality on ME wasn't noticeably better to my eyes. HOWEVER, when I use HDMI, it looks SOOOOO clean.
sixxx 9:03 PM - 10 February, 2012
Well, I only use HDMI... so no wonder. I leave VGA for YOUTUBE noobs. lol

NM
Audio1 9:04 PM - 10 February, 2012
"Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes..."
sixxx 9:05 PM - 10 February, 2012
lol

nm
Joshua Carl 9:05 PM - 10 February, 2012
and while I cant provide any hard "evidence" at this time.
I can tell you (from 2 years on VSL and 1 Year on ME... all at the same club, same TVs)
that ME does put out a superior output quality image.
matter of fact... and it KILLS ME TO ADMIT THIS.
Virtual DJ actually put out a better image that VSL 1.2

but even more applicable to us, is that ME has a master Contrast,saturation,brightness feature... so every time u goto a club you can calibrate accordingly...
(of course with VSL you can go into the 2nd display options and fuss with the gamma and those setting too)

again, not too get too off topic here.
no one has ever really said the VSL in its current incarnation is a superior product.
VSL simply fell victim to some neglect, and ME really just started to get in the zone when that happend.

if anyone has any questions about ME setup and stuff hit me up with a PM, I dont want to derail this anymore than it has to be.
I might have only a year on the software, but my obsessive, compulsive nerdnyness doesnet allow me to NOT delve 100% into something when I get involved with it..lol
Eric N 9:05 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Well, I only use HDMI... so no wonder. I leave VGA for YOUTUBE noobs. lol

NM


LOL, unfortunately not all of the places I play are set up for HDMI to the DJ booth. MANY are either VGA, composite, or S-Video still. :(
sixxx 9:06 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Well, I only use HDMI... so no wonder. I leave VGA for YOUTUBE noobs. lol

NM


LOL, unfortunately not all of the places I play are set up for HDMI to the DJ booth. MANY are either VGA, composite, or S-Video still. :(


Oh damn... tell them to get with it and you'll send them some blueblockers for free. lol

nm
sixxx 9:06 PM - 10 February, 2012
I also like that ME isn't a processor hog. nm
sixxx 9:07 PM - 10 February, 2012
and I hope that Serato Video is NOT a processor hog. nm
the_black_one 9:07 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
I also like that ME isn't a processor hog. nm

amen!!!
the_black_one 9:08 PM - 10 February, 2012
i keep a close eye on my CPU (EXCESSIVE AT TIMES) NM,NH
sixxx 9:08 PM - 10 February, 2012
Though now I'm using a MBP Quad Core... :)

But man, when I was using my poor old Macbook that barely met the requirements... I was hurting! hahaha

nm
sixxx 9:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
CPU fetish? lol

nm
the_black_one 9:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
CPU fetish? lol

nm



CPU PORN
sixxx 9:11 PM - 10 February, 2012
lol
the_black_one 9:11 PM - 10 February, 2012
I really eager to test out the new video plug in from serato.
Mr Wilks 9:34 PM - 10 February, 2012
Maybe the mixtape function is being revamped with the (impending) Itch release? It has to work on a multitude of controllers so maybe it's being rewritten for compatability?

Just a random thought.
Brigid 9:43 PM - 10 February, 2012
Eric N

Quote:
If I download and install Serato Video to run with ITCH, will it disable/overwrite the current VideoSL?

Meaning, can I keep using 2.3.3 and ME (utilizing VSL) when I play with SSL, but use Serato Video when I play with ITCH?

Yes it is possible for you to do this. Karl Y just explained this to me (thanks Karl!):

They don't interfere, as long as you run one at a time.

But - there is a new ID Tag engine in both SSL and Itch from 2.3.3 / 2.1 upwards. So switching e.g. between 1.9.2 and 2.3.3/2.4++ might potentially cause issues with the library or ID tags.

So if you want to be on the safe side you should use:
SSL 2.3.3.
Itch 2.1++
and SSL 2.4++
DJ Tapout 9:54 PM - 10 February, 2012
@Brigid
Can you give us a release date for 2.4 or a beta link so we can check it out?

Don't hurt to ask :)
Brigid 9:56 PM - 10 February, 2012
Haha nice try! Sorry DJ Tapout, we're always tight lipped about release dates, and this is no exception.
Eloy Garcia 9:59 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d
< LMFAO!!!!
Code:E 10:00 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Virtual DJ actually put out a better image that VSL 1.2

Finally an unbiased comment towards VDJ.
If i was still on a PC i might still be using VDJ. The PC versions video feature i found where on par with ME and in some places far better. But ME over takes the cake i think. anyway. this thread is so FN long i dont think anyone is going to say anything new. I just really hope the serato take notice of all of the ME users and provides up with an expectable solution. And just so its clear, VSL in its current form / Serato Video with no major new features is not expectable
Brigid 10:02 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d

Am I the only one here who really loved Wolfenstein 3D when it came out?
Brigid 10:02 PM - 10 February, 2012
Hey Brigid - please stay on topic.
Dj Nyce 10:06 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d

Am I the only one here who really loved Wolfenstein 3D when it came out?


One of my favorite games ever. Definitely was the birth of first person shooters.
Eloy Garcia 10:06 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d

Am I the only one here who really loved Wolfenstein 3D when it came out?


I played it all the time on my old IBM 286 PS2..... That was fast back then!

Hey Brigid < Saty on topic! LOL
Eloy Garcia 10:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
Just kidding Brigid.... thank you for all your help! Now let Sam know there are some mad people out here that still want ME..... LOL
Joshua Carl 10:09 PM - 10 February, 2012
lot of people dont know this... but i was originally a MAC guy.

Apple 2e. Oregon trails and lemonade stand for life!
DJ JT Stevens 10:17 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
lot of people dont know this... but i was originally a MAC guy.

Apple 2e. Oregon trails and lemonade stand for life!

www.feistees.com
Joshua Carl 10:20 PM - 10 February, 2012
yeah son what chu know about this:
Watchwww.youtube.com
Eric N 10:22 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
lot of people dont know this... but i was originally a MAC guy.

Apple 2e. Oregon trails and lemonade stand for life!


OREGON TRAIL FTW!

Whatchu know about Carmen Sandiego? She was one sneaky bitch!
Dj JesC 10:24 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Apples newest version of wolfstein 3d

Am I the only one here who really loved Wolfenstein 3D when it came out?


Wolfenstein, Doom & Duke Nuken FTW!~
Brigid 10:27 PM - 10 February, 2012
Alright, I kind of derailed that with the wolfenstein talk. Back on topic everyone!

I have to bow out for a little bit, but I'll check in later on today.
Eloy Garcia 10:31 PM - 10 February, 2012
Come one guys let talk about Halo and MW3! What are your gamer tags on Xbox Live and for PS3?

We will battle it out online MW3 style Serato "VSL/Video" vs ME.... lol
Eloy Garcia 10:33 PM - 10 February, 2012
Team Serato - VSL/ Video

VS.

Team Inklen - ME

FIGHT!

LMFAO!
tomatoslice 10:41 PM - 10 February, 2012
i will stick with Battlefield 1942 - Team Inklen, thanks.
even Nick and Phat Al have that game.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 11:22 PM - 10 February, 2012
I think it's funny to see so many people up in arms about not being able to run ME with SSL 2.4. This happens with alot of software. Try running an older plugin on a newer version of Photoshop or Soundforge or even Ableton for that matter. New code for the software means whoever makes plugins for that software (whether supported or not) will have to update their code to be compatible. People need to stop jumping the gun and acting like it's the end of the world.

P.S. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade to the new hardware or software. If you have something that's working for you right now then stick with it and quit bitchin!!

"Be patient young grasshopper"
Henry GQ 11:23 PM - 10 February, 2012
the only feature that i liked better in VSL was the fact that u could hit the space bar and the library would minimize or maximize within SSL, that was the only thing lol


i really do hope that Serato Video will be as GOOD as ME within Serato Video 2.1 release

ahhhhh hahahaha we know that shit isnt gonna happen lol
tomatoslice 11:25 PM - 10 February, 2012
Quote:
...

P.S. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade to the new hardware or software. If you have something that's working for you right now then stick with it and quit bitchin!!

...


yep.
djpuma_gemini 11:58 PM - 10 February, 2012
I could see Brigid having a wall full of forum names printed out and darts thrown at all the bad ones.
Code:E 12:00 AM - 11 February, 2012
hahahahahahahaha^^^^^^
Mister P 12:51 AM - 11 February, 2012
Go team Nick!
Code:E 12:59 AM - 11 February, 2012
Team Nick Vs. Team Brigid

Hahahahahahaha,
I think im laughing at myself more than anything because im not sure how many people will get that pop culture reference.
Rane
TrevorW 1:04 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
Team Nick Vs. Team Brigid

Hahahahahahaha,
I think im laughing at myself more than anything because im not sure how many people will get that pop culture reference.


Ugh. Let's just hope there's no glitter involved.
BigDookie 1:11 AM - 11 February, 2012
like no one watches twighlight... *blinks*
djdannyd 1:18 AM - 11 February, 2012
I'm a Star Wars guy, so I'm out "Phantom Menace 3D" :)
Joshua Carl 2:01 AM - 11 February, 2012
we can officially lock it..... someone went twilight on us.

keep it nerdy.


bunch of filthy muggles.
Code:E 2:23 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
I'm a Star Wars guy, so I'm out "Phantom Menace 3D" :)

Too bad its like the worst one of the series, but that just means the rest are coming too. :)
sixxx 2:48 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
like no one watches twighlight... *blinks*


I'm proud to say I have NEVER and will NEVER see any of the twilight movies. :)

nm
djpuma_gemini 4:06 AM - 11 February, 2012
lmao at muggles.
Harry Potter over Twilight any day.

Gryffindor bitch

www.harrymedia.com
djdannyd 4:55 AM - 11 February, 2012
Titanic over twilight! The movie was dope 3d made it better not my fav but def better
the_black_one 5:29 AM - 11 February, 2012
wo the fuck connected ME to that bullshit sorry excuse for a movie
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:35 AM - 11 February, 2012
Some DJ cards are about to be REVOKED!
Henry GQ 7:50 AM - 11 February, 2012
i think it would be funny to have auto sync in 2.4 and then in no further versions after that, watch the forum really blow up then LOL

all the fuckin noobs will be going off! bahahahahaaaaaaaa cough cough aaaaaaa
DJ Unique 9:06 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
i think it would be funny to have auto sync in 2.4 and then in no further versions after that, watch the forum really blow up then LOL

all the fuckin noobs will be going off! bahahahahaaaaaaaa cough cough aaaaaaa

HaHaHa...
DJ Dynamite - NJ 9:20 AM - 11 February, 2012
They should add autosync but have it run oma timer so that after the first hour of using autosync the program locks up and the scream flashes bright red with a message saying " learn how to DJ"
DJ Dynamite - NJ 9:21 AM - 11 February, 2012
Screen not scream
DJ Barticus 9:54 AM - 11 February, 2012
with mixtape on hiatus i have a question about recording live sets with the 61/62

i see that you can record the Program 1 and Program 2 post crossfader on USB record 1 & 2, and you can also record the microphone feed on USB record 6 if you select it in the control panel.

is the Microphone recording pre or post the "on" button?

I would like it to be able to chose the "pre" option because it would be nice to mix in some live sound in my parts of my recorded DJ mixes without having to set up a room mic. if you can record pre than i wont really miss mixtape because i can do the same thing in any DAW.
djcrap 11:13 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
if you goto the options tab, then transitions.

inside there theres contours(Fot both up, and cross faders), then there is FADER CUT 0-25%

I messed with these...

one cool way to check to see how it flies is to use the IRIS SE transition.
and rip out some fast crabs...
asjust the parameters to your liking....


dan it what is the cross fader percentage of the sweet spot?
Theres a prett sweet "money spot" where u get the transitions to barely fire unless u move the fader more than a few CMs.
again... one of the cool things about ME is that it is TOTALLY custoizblle by the user.



again, thanks Brigd for coming and and commo'ing.
I think alot of people (myself included sometimes) exercise their voice as if they were stockholders and are vested in the company....
when in fact we are just users hoping our requests make it into the ears of the actual decision makers,
djcrap 11:24 AM - 11 February, 2012
quote fail .....fffffffff***** it i ain't even gonna bother fixing it
djcrap 11:27 AM - 11 February, 2012
This son of cub of lion mac osx keeps on messing up all my quotes on this forum.
gevola 11:50 AM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
... does this really mean that mixtape can't be used even on the 68 and 57 from SL 2.4 (and later) anymore?

Yes, this is true for 2.4. I don't have any other information at the moment about this, but as soon as I do, I'll let you guys know.

I completely do not agree
I purchased Ableton just for that feature
Millz 4:09 PM - 11 February, 2012
^^likewise
DJNitro12 4:11 PM - 11 February, 2012
Serato doesn't support ME, ME doesn't support Windows, ME users are complaining about Serato alienating them. But isn't ME alienating Windows users?
DJNitro12 4:19 PM - 11 February, 2012
As far as support, Serato covers multiple OS's, hardware, and software versions. ME covers Apple. That's all they have to worry about. I would love to buy ME to see what all the fuss is about but I can't justify spending $2,500 on a mac book pro when my HP cost's half that and has better hardware. (Before you Mac people go all crazy, both use I5, I7 processors, same hard drives companies, video card companies etc) If I was a beginner I would use Mac, but b/c I have a great understanding of how Win7 works, I can manipulate it to run better than a MAC. When you buy a Win7 PC it loads every freaking process known to man. It's just a matter of knowing which processes to let boot. Mac's (and I agree it's better) loads the minimum according to programs installed.
sixxx 6:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
Like Macs can't be tweeked to run better. Goes to show how much you really know about Macs. nm
Eloy Garcia 6:33 PM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
Serato doesn't support ME, ME doesn't support Windows, ME users are complaining about Serato alienating them. But isn't ME alienating Windows users?


ME is not made for windows for 1 very good reason. Apple's product line is not that big. You can only configure a Mac so many ways. If you was to sit down and make a list of all Intel CPU's & AMD/Nvidia/Intel GPU's" configurations from OSX 10.4 to OSX 10.7. That list is not that long and all of the code need to make that all work is out there from apple to help you. Were in the PC market there are so many more options. I don't know if this is 100% true but some people have told me that VSL has real problem's if you don't have the right CPU/GPU configuration on a PC/Windows computer. Think about all the CPU's there are duo core and higher core sets. Now think about all the video cards that are out there for Windows PC's. IT CRAZY!

Look at this www.newegg.com < Thats all video cards for PC's. There are more video cards on that page then there have been for macs in the last 5 years and the video card game change every 3 to 6 months for PC's.

Apple runs with the same line of cards for about 2 years then looks at what is next. I don't agree with there slow upgrade's of video cards but it helps for app writes to keep there code clean and short.

That is part of the reason that VSL/Serato Video and ME work so well on Mac's Vs. PC's. You can take any mac in the last 3 - 6 year old ranger and run VSL/ME with no problem*

*If you have a 3 to 6 years old mac I would say to stick to SD video and not HD. If you would like to run HD on a older mac's upgrade to a SSD. Max out all RAM. All Intel MacBook Pro's are fine to run SD video in 4:3 & 16:9. Do not use a Macbook with Intel GMA 950 video.

Macbook's with Intel GMA 950 Model numbers:
MA254*/A MA255*/A MA472*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!
MA699*/A MA700*/A MA701*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!
MB061*/A MB062*/A MB063*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!
Joshua Carl 7:08 PM - 11 February, 2012
1 disconnect in that theory

Mix emergency ran alongside SSL beautifully for years...
Now it's in danger of being stopped.
(ie, the thousands of me users are collectively hanging on these proceedings)

ME has never ran on PC.
So there's no users saying "now what"
They are all saying "what am I missing"
DJNitro12 8:05 PM - 11 February, 2012
Quote:
Like Macs can't be tweeked to run better. Goes to show how much you really know about Macs. nm

Did I once say that Mac's couldn't be tweaked? And BTW it's spelled "tweaked", not "tweeked" Next time you try to make someone look stupid, make sure you don't look stupid yourself.
sixxx 8:08 PM - 11 February, 2012
Next time you assume I don't know how to spell, think about where I'm typing from (phone).

No one was trying to make you look stupid. You already are.

nm
sixxx 8:10 PM - 11 February, 2012
"If I was a beginner I would use Mac, but b/c I have a great understanding of how Win7 works, I can manipulate it to run better than a MAC."

You see? First of all, you're assuming all Mac users are beginners. Second, you are assuming Mac users care about windows. Some do. Some don't. Don't generalize.

See? Told ya!

Oh yeah, and it's not spelled "ya".... right? lol
DJNitro12 8:12 PM - 11 February, 2012
Mac's make it easier to
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Serato doesn't support ME, ME doesn't support Windows, ME users are complaining about Serato alienating them. But isn't ME alienating Windows users?


ME is not made for windows for 1 very good reason. Apple's product line is not that big. You can only configure a Mac so many ways. If you was to sit down and make a list of all Intel CPU's & AMD/Nvidia/Intel GPU's" configurations from OSX 10.4 to OSX 10.7. That list is not that long and all of the code need to make that all work is out there from apple to help you. Were in the PC market there are so many more options. I don't know if this is 100% true but some people have told me that VSL has real problem's if you don't have the right CPU/GPU configuration on a PC/Windows computer. Think about all the CPU's there are duo core and higher core sets. Now think about all the video cards that are out there for Windows PC's. IT CRAZY!

Look at this www.newegg.com < Thats all video cards for PC's. There are more video cards on that page then there have been for macs in the last 5 years and the video card game change every 3 to 6 months for PC's.

Apple runs with the same line of cards for about 2 years then looks at what is next. I don't agree with there slow upgrade's of video cards but it helps for app writes to keep there code clean and short.

That is part of the reason that VSL/Serato Video and ME work so well on Mac's Vs. PC's. You can take any mac in the last 3 - 6 year old ranger and run VSL/ME with no problem*

*If you have a 3 to 6 years old mac I would say to stick to SD video and not HD. If you would like to run HD on a older mac's upgrade to a SSD. Max out all RAM. All Intel MacBook Pro's are fine to run SD video in 4:3 & 16:9. Do not use a Macbook with Intel GMA 950 video.

Macbook's with Intel GMA 950 Model numbers:
MA254*/A MA255*/A MA472*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!
MA699*/A MA700*/A MA701*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!
MB061*/A MB062*/A MB063*/A <stay away GMA 950!!!!!



The cards are all different, but the language to run the cards is the same per manufacturer. Macbook pro for instance used AMD graphics cards. I personally can NOT stand AMD cards. I would much rather have Nvidia
sixxx 8:13 PM - 11 February, 2012
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The cards are all different, but the language to run the cards is the same per manufacturer.


Kinda like the same language we are all using, yet you can't understand or grasp the concept?

Oh yeah, and kinda is not spelled that way either. Right? lol
DJNitro12 8:15 PM - 11 February, 2012
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"If I was a beginner I would use Mac, but b/c I have a great understanding of how Win7 works, I can manipulate it to run better than a MAC."

You see? First of all, you're assuming all Mac users are beginners. Second, you are assuming Mac users care about windows. Some do. Some don't. Don't generalize.

See? Told ya!

Oh yeah, and it's not spelled "ya".... right? lol



Man you get dumber every post. I said I, me, not everyone else can tweak a PC better than a MAC. If you actually read it correctly, you would see I was complimenting MAC on their simplicity instead of calling their users dumb. You, however,I'm calling dumb
sixxx 8:16 PM - 11 February, 2012
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The cards are all different, but the language to run the cards is the same per manufacturer. Macbook pro for instance used AMD graphics cards. I personally can NOT stand AMD cards. I would much rather have Nvidia


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2.53GHz Intel Core i5-based 17-inch MacBook Pro systems with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M


Yup. Let's talk about who the idiot is here...
DJNitro12 8:16 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Next time you assume I don't know how to spell, think about where I'm typing from (phone).

No one was trying to make you look stupid. You already are.

nm



Must be an IPhone
DJNitro12 8:22 PM - 11 February, 2012
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The cards are all different, but the language to run the cards is the same per manufacturer. Macbook pro for instance used AMD graphics cards. I personally can NOT stand AMD cards. I would much rather have Nvidia



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2.53GHz Intel Core i5-based 17-inch MacBook Pro systems with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M


Yup. Let's talk about who the idiot is here...



Very true, except they don't make those anymore, all Macbook pro's now come with AMD. Not to mention it used automated graphics switching. Are the words I'm using to big for you there Sixxx?
sixxx 8:23 PM - 11 February, 2012
It's "too big" not "to big".

Keep going. You're making me laugh. :)
sixxx 8:26 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Very true, except they don't make those anymore, all Macbook pro's now come with AMD


Where did I say they're MAKING those right now. You said, and I quote

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Macbook pro for instance used AMD graphics cards


and I proved to you that you were wrong...

but yeah, let's keep playing this game. Like I said, you're making me laugh. :)
DJNitro12 8:30 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Very true, except they don't make those anymore, all Macbook pro's now come with AMD


Where did I say they're MAKING those right now. You said, and I quote


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Macbook pro for instance used AMD graphics cards


and I proved to you that you were wrong...

but yeah, let's keep playing this game. Like I said, you're making me laugh. :)



lol like I said.... dumber ever post......
sixxx 8:31 PM - 11 February, 2012
"dumber ever post"?

Yes. I see that. Dumber EVERY post....

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJNitro12 8:32 PM - 11 February, 2012
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"dumber ever post"?

Yes. I see that. Dumber EVERY post....

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry I was using my IPhone......
sixxx 8:35 PM - 11 February, 2012
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"dumber ever post"?

Yes. I see that. Dumber EVERY post....

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry I was using my IPhone......


It's iPhone, not IPhone.

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sixxx 8:36 PM - 11 February, 2012
Btw, get a Droid... it's cheaper and better. nm


Full circle. Zing!

lol
DJBIGWIZ 8:37 PM - 11 February, 2012
OK, take a breath and relax.. this "rant" is not an attack on anyone and is trying to look at the shituation from a logical BUSINESS standpoint.... which is exactly what this is. Not from the view of which program is better or which one will benefit all of us (myself included) better or who dropped the ball in the past or who could have done things better.

Everyone is assuming that it's Seratos fault that these "talks" didn't (or haven't yet whatever the case may be) ended in ME support. There were 2 parties involved here... who's to say it wasn't Inklen that is responsible. Maybe neither company could come to terms.
In a negotiation, both parties usually have to make compromises. Usually, both parties want the most control, upper hand and what's best for them. In a BUSINESS situation like the one between Serato and Inklen, you have to look at the big picture. Serato does not NEED Inklen in any way, shape or form to run or fully benefit from using their products of features. Inklen on the other hand not only needs Scratch Live made by Serato but ALSO needs a copy of VSL made by Serato.... ME needs TWO programs made by Serato to run (and don't come back with some weak ass.. it's a stand alone program shit because if it is then why is everyone complaining about lack of support? If it was a true stand alone program, it wouldn't matter if Serato even existed) So... while I am not speaking from being in the meetings, I am speaking from a logical point of view that makes sense if you have ever done business and understand BUSINESS and negotiations in any way. Taking all this into account, both parties wanting the lions share of control, Serato not needing Inklen at all, Inklen needing two of Seratos programs, it is very easy to conclude a scenario where Inklen wanted more than they were being offered and turned down Serato. But, it is not Seratos job or responsibility to Inklen to cater to them... they do not need them and honestly from a business standpoint, they have their own NEW video plug in and team back on development so I think it's cool of them to even consider "talks" with Inklen when again, they don't need them but Inklen needs Serato. It's Inklens responsibility to make this work.. the plug in AND the "talks" They can accept the best deal they can negotiate and still be in the game which means you still have a chance to improve things as long as you are playing or you can just choose to not be a part of the game in which case, you can't make a difference at all. Going from 100% control of your own plug-in that requires 2 products from Serato to work to 80%, 70%, 60% ,50% , 49% hell, ANY % control of a plug-in you are inn charge of helping develop is better than going from 100% to 0% As long as he is involved in some way, he can make a difference which really seems to be what people want and some would argue need in terms of video. Also, who's to say he wouldn't have the opportunity to improve his "business" situation down the line. The worst thing he can do if it comes down to "working" with or for Serato OR not having his product work at all, is to NOT make the "talks" work out with them!
Again... this responsibility falls on Inklen and as mad as ME users are over just the thought of ME not working with SL imagine how mad they will be if ME goes away permanently. And that anger should not be misplaced and directed towards Serato as it has been because again.. They control a bigger piece of the puzzle and it's Inklen that's gonna have to give up more in the negotiations.... that's just how it is. It's BUSINESS!
DJNitro12 8:38 PM - 11 February, 2012
I never assumed any Macbook users were dumb but this is a quote from their configure page in the apple store.....

"Learn more
Memory
4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x2GB
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB [Add $200.00] "

Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

That's why I'm not a Mac fan and if you select the I7, there is no 12 or 16GB option
DJNitro12 8:40 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Btw, get a Droid... it's cheaper and better. nm


Full circle. Zing!

lol



I have a droid
DJBIGWIZ 8:41 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

you'd be surprised. It's better and cheaper to buy your own Ram and install it yourself though.
DJNitro12 8:43 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

you'd be surprised. It's better and cheaper to buy your own Ram and install it yourself though.



Exactly You can get 8GB for less than $50 now.
sixxx 8:44 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I never assumed any Macbook users were dumb but this is a quote from their configure page in the apple store.....

"Learn more
Memory
4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x2GB
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB [Add $200.00] "

Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

That's why I'm not a Mac fan and if you select the I7, there is no 12 or 16GB option


Again, I don't know many mac users who buy RAM from apple... most Mac users I know AND I KNOW TONS OF THEM, get RAM from Crucial.

So again, stop assuming shit. Just because they sell it there, doesn't mean ALL MAC USERS are buying from there. Again, you're generalizing.

nm
sixxx 8:45 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

you'd be surprised. It's better and cheaper to buy your own Ram and install it yourself though.


See what I mean?
sixxx 8:46 PM - 11 February, 2012
@ DJBIGWHIZ,

Your post totally makes sense and that's what I've been trying to tell people.... well, not in so many words. lol


nm
DJBIGWIZ 8:50 PM - 11 February, 2012
@DJNitro12,
I agree to some extent with your initial post BUT to argue weather it is better to use a MAC or PC in context of what this discussion is all about (SSL & ME/VSL/SV) is honestly nonsense. Yes, if you do enough home work and pend enough time, effort and money, you can have a great PC that is on par with pretty much any mac. (just see Shorty & Faust) BUT... across the board, MACs are better as they just WORK off the shelf with out having to do all the extra stuff. I was STRICTLY a PC guy until I bought a cheap used MAC from a friend and I will NEVER go back to PC now. If it is about money and you are a professional then a MAC is an investment in your business and your future. It's a business expense and one that will help you and your business and should pay for itself. If you are gonna try to argue with sixxx, you are gonna have to find a better topic... one where you have some kind of solid ground to stand on.
DJNitro12 8:51 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I never assumed any Macbook users were dumb but this is a quote from their configure page in the apple store.....

"Learn more
Memory
4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x2GB
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB [Add $200.00] "

Who would pay $200 for DDR3 SDRam?

That's why I'm not a Mac fan and if you select the I7, there is no 12 or 16GB option


Again, I don't know many mac users who buy RAM from apple... most Mac users I know AND I KNOW TONS OF THEM, get RAM from Crucial.

So again, stop assuming shit. Just because they sell it there, doesn't mean ALL MAC USERS are buying from there. Again, you're generalizing.

nm


Ok dumbass for the last time, can you show me where I am calling Mac users dumb or stupid, or idiotic? I mean except you of course,
DJNitro12 8:53 PM - 11 February, 2012
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@DJNitro12,
I agree to some extent with your initial post BUT to argue weather it is better to use a MAC or PC in context of what this discussion is all about (SSL & ME/VSL/SV) is honestly nonsense. Yes, if you do enough home work and pend enough time, effort and money, you can have a great PC that is on par with pretty much any mac. (just see Shorty & Faust) BUT... across the board, MACs are better as they just WORK off the shelf with out having to do all the extra stuff. I was STRICTLY a PC guy until I bought a cheap used MAC from a friend and I will NEVER go back to PC now. If it is about money and you are a professional then a MAC is an investment in your business and your future. It's a business expense and one that will help you and your business and should pay for itself. If you are gonna try to argue with sixxx, you are gonna have to find a better topic... one where you have some kind of solid ground to stand on.



and here's my point, if you know how to tweak a PC, and I know not everyone does, you can make a PC run just as good, if not better than a MAC for a third of the cost.
DJNitro12 8:54 PM - 11 February, 2012
When did this become a Mac vs PC instead of VSL vs ME?
DJ Dynamite - NJ 8:55 PM - 11 February, 2012
I should've known this was coming... Somebody had to turn this thread into a MAC vs PC debate. GET BACK ON TOPIC PEOPLE!!
sixxx 8:58 PM - 11 February, 2012
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When did this become a Mac vs PC instead of VSL vs ME?


When you jump on the discussion with your stupid comments.
DJBIGWIZ 9:00 PM - 11 February, 2012
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@DJNitro12,
I agree to some extent with your initial post BUT to argue weather it is better to use a MAC or PC in context of what this discussion is all about (SSL & ME/VSL/SV) is honestly nonsense. Yes, if you do enough home work and pend enough time, effort and money, you can have a great PC that is on par with pretty much any mac. (just see Shorty & Faust) BUT... across the board, MACs are better as they just WORK off the shelf with out having to do all the extra stuff. I was STRICTLY a PC guy until I bought a cheap used MAC from a friend and I will NEVER go back to PC now. If it is about money and you are a professional then a MAC is an investment in your business and your future. It's a business expense and one that will help you and your business and should pay for itself. If you are gonna try to argue with sixxx, you are gonna have to find a better topic... one where you have some kind of solid ground to stand on.



and here's my point, if you know how to tweak a PC, and I know not everyone does, you can make a PC run just as good, if not better than a MAC for a third of the cost.

I understand that as pointed out when I said
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Yes, if you do enough home work and pend enough time, effort and money, you can have a great PC that is on par with pretty much any mac. (just see Shorty & Faust)
but how many people do you know that do or can do that? That requires someone with a lot of initiative, who is pretty tech savvy and is more of an advanced power user with PC's... that's not a lot of users
sixxx 9:02 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok dumbass for the last time, can you show me where I am calling Mac users dumb or stupid, or idiotic?


Better yet, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE I'M SAYING THAT YOU'RE CALLING MAC USERS DUMB, STUPID OR IDIOTIC?

I've been saying TO STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. It's a simple concept. Really.

dumbass


nm
DJNitro12 9:02 PM - 11 February, 2012
ok so someone explain this to me, ME supporters are blasting Serato for not supporting them and say they are alienating them. But as a PC user, isn't ME alienating me for not supporting Windows? I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PC users out there that feel that way.
Culprit 9:04 PM - 11 February, 2012
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ok so someone explain this to me, ME supporters are blasting Serato for not supporting them and say they are alienating them. But as a PC user, isn't ME alienating me for not supporting Windows? I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PC users out there that feel that way.



yeah its the same thing, stop kicking a dead horse please or start a new thread
Joshua Carl 9:06 PM - 11 February, 2012
Mix Emergency 2.0 feature list and release date:

[link removed by administrator]
Joshua Carl 9:06 PM - 11 February, 2012
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ok so someone explain this to me, ME supporters are blasting Serato for not supporting them and say they are alienating them. But as a PC user, isn't ME alienating me for not supporting Windows? I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PC users out there that feel that way.


Mix emergency ran alongside SSL beautifully for years...
Now it's in danger of being stopped.
(ie, the thousands of me users are collectively hanging on these proceedings)

ME has never ran on PC.
So there's no users saying "now what"
They are all saying "what am I missing"
sixxx 9:07 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Mix Emergency 2.0 feature list and release date:

[link removed by administrator]


lol
DJBIGWIZ 9:08 PM - 11 February, 2012
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ok so someone explain this to me, ME supporters are blasting Serato for not supporting them and say they are alienating them. But as a PC user, isn't ME alienating me for not supporting Windows? I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PC users out there that feel that way.

there reasoning for saying that (not that I fully agree) is that ME worked with SL in the past (not officially, or "with" them in the sense of the 2 companies had a business agreement) and now it doesn't work... where ME NEVER worked with PC in the first place so nothing has changed for PC users where things have changed for MAC users. It's like saying you can't miss something you've never had... your experience with using ME is not being changed by any of this
Joshua Carl 9:10 PM - 11 February, 2012
but more to the point, like my friend Wiz has pointed out on several occasions, asking a question about Inklen's stand, strategy, OS preference is probably best answered on the Inklen Mix Emergency forum... for the most part this forum is SSL users, peppered with a healthy helping of ME users....

key term being users....users who love to speculate and speak on behalf of said compaines.
DJBIGWIZ 9:11 PM - 11 February, 2012
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ok so someone explain this to me, ME supporters are blasting Serato for not supporting them and say they are alienating them. But as a PC user, isn't ME alienating me for not supporting Windows? I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PC users out there that feel that way.

if you are looking for a better argument in all this, see my long ass rant about 20-30 posts above.
DJNitro12 9:11 PM - 11 February, 2012
Well maybe with the new Video, it will run closer to what ME user like. I'm more worried about the mixtape feature not working w/ 2.4. Hopefully the patch will come out soon after. Also the fact that I can't change the MIDI if it's pre-programed already for Scratch Live doesn't settle well, but I can work around that w/ my decks or even get some dicers.
sixxx 9:16 PM - 11 February, 2012
I personally feel that ME users should.

1. Stick with whatever Rane hardware you're using and the latest version of SSL (or whatever older version you still use) since, after all, the new hardware is not even out so ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS CHANGED as of this moment.

2. Wait until Serato Video becomes the standard (if ME dies and never becomes compatible again). With enough pressure from consumers, this might finally become possible unlike VSL.
sixxx 9:17 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Well maybe with the new Video, it will run closer to what ME user like.


It has been said that initially, it won't be like ME. But, I do believe it's laying the foundation to eventually become what ME is today.
sixxx 9:20 PM - 11 February, 2012
One of the biggest mistakes users make that I've seen is upgrade rapidly when something new comes out whether it's new hardware or a new version of the software. The old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" should be standard, especially since DJ's have a lot at stake if their system fails because of an upgrade that was not fully tested and free of bugs or issues.

As a matter of fact, I've seen quite a bit of users using BETA versions of SSL at important gigs!

nm
DJBIGWIZ 9:22 PM - 11 February, 2012
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One of the biggest mistakes users make that I've seen is upgrade rapidly when something new comes out whether it's new hardware or a new version of the software. The old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" should be standard, especially since DJ's have a lot at stake if their system fails because of an upgrade that was not fully tested and free of bugs or issues.

As a matter of fact, I've seen quite a bit of users using BETA versions of SSL at important gigs!

nm

what he said
Deejaysk 9:40 PM - 11 February, 2012
I don't have ME and I have V-SL. What version of Scratch Live is the most stable to use(my hardware spec meets the Scratch Live Minimum system requirement criteria) ?
DJWALDO 10:15 PM - 11 February, 2012
damn I read through all this and all I learned was more on how people in this forum bash and talk shit about something that they haven't even seen yet..... wow
DJBIGWIZ 10:27 PM - 11 February, 2012
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damn I read through all this and all I learned was more on how people in this forum bash and talk shit about something that they haven't even seen yet..... wow

damn, you read through all this... wow
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:30 PM - 11 February, 2012
I see your point Wiz about the businesses needing each other but I disagree with Serato not needing Inklen. They do. ME has the features that VSL users have been asking for since day 1 of launch, Jan 17 2008 (PS, Happy B-Day VSL) Most of the top-tier video DJs have moved over and adapted to these features. ME has been discussed extensively on these forums and threads went on for years where pro users recommended ME over VSL. VSL needs the knowledge that ME has. Even if no new features were added to VSL, ME still runs more stable and uses less processor power and VSL needs to be that two years ago. There are still known bugs in the latest 1.2 release. It still crashes when you perform certain functions and the layout of VSL has been hindered since the 2.0 release of Scratch Live.

The top video DJs in the world, who still rep Serato have moved on from where VSL is currently at. Serato has allowed their video DJs to taste the water by not blocking ME from the very beginning and it is too late to go back now. I understand the negotiation process and the liability issues and the business aspect of it all. But there is also the fact of customer views and feelings. I was drawn to Serato because of the way the company handles their customer relations. They make a good product and they are good people. Therefore they attract good people as users and we use the product to do good things.

My point is that Nick at Inklen took his product in the direction that Serato users wanted to go from the very beginning and for whatever reason Serato let it happen. It's worth keeping that relationship open or even improved just for the sake of keeping all these awesome DJs in the stable.

No one has mentioned this yet, but Rane is the one taking the shaft here with this issue. Their brand new flagship mixer has already lost potential sales because of the ME and Mixtape issue. Serato are putting out another free update if one person (or 100) don't download it and stay with an old version not really a big deal, in fact they save money on providing support. However if Rane loses 1 sale (or 100) then they take it on the bottom line. They have invested a lot of money in developing these new mixers and I'm sure they would rather have them flying off the shelves from day 1 than sitting in a warehouse waiting on two other companies to hammer out some deal.
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:30 PM - 11 February, 2012
Oh and on the PC issue, there is a reason why most of the video DJs are on macs. Scan the forums, the best PC builders and tweakers could not get VSL to run right on their machines. If they did, the cost of the laptop was close to a macs. Not to mention, time=$. So all that time you spend tweaking the PC should be factored into the cost of the laptop. When you factor that in, the PC is not cheaper than the mac and certainly does not work BETTER.
Henry GQ 10:47 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Oh and on the PC issue, there is a reason why most of the video DJs are on macs. Scan the forums, the best PC builders and tweakers could not get VSL to run right on their machines. If they did, the cost of the laptop was close to a macs. Not to mention, time=$. So all that time you spend tweaking the PC should be factored into the cost of the laptop. When you factor that in, the PC is not cheaper than the mac and certainly does not work BETTER.



AGREED.
DJBIGWIZ 10:47 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I see your point Wiz about the businesses needing each other but I disagree with Serato not needing Inklen. They do. ME has the features that VSL users have been asking for since day 1 of launch

Dub, you are making the mistake a lot of others are making here... separate your wants from the facts.
Delete ME from your computer... does Scratch Live still work? Does VSL still work? NOT work better or have more features.... does it work with out ME or does VSL need ME installed to work?
You don't have to answer that... we all know the answer.

NOW... delete Scratch Live and VSL from your computer... does ME still work?
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(and don't come back with some weak ass.. it's a stand alone program shit because if it is then why is everyone complaining about lack of support? If it was a true stand alone program, it wouldn't matter if Serato even existed)


So again... understand when I say Serato does not need ME. I'm not saying VSL or SV as it stands is better, more feature packed or even more stable. I'm saying... Serato does not rely on ME to run in any way shape or form... do you or anyone here not understand that? If so, please let me know so I don't wast any time responding to you since it would be pointless and talking to a tree would be a better use of my time since at least the tree could not retort back with a lack of simple understanding and ability to see logic and acknowledge it even if they don't like it. It's not about ME being better or having features or stability.... it's about ME needs programs... that's right, Plural not singular... programS from Serato in order to work... Serato does not NEED ME to work. People, please learn the difference between NEED and WANT and try to grasp that you do not have to like or want the current situation at all... but like it or not, want it or not, Serato has the upper hand in this and if they are willing to entertain talks with Inklen, it is on Inklen to find a compromise they are ok with.
DJBIGWIZ 10:50 PM - 11 February, 2012
what I am saying has nothing to do with taking sides or which I use... it is all fact and is all business... you can like it, hate it or be indifferent and it is still what it is.
DJNitro12 10:56 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Oh and on the PC issue, there is a reason why most of the video DJs are on macs. Scan the forums, the best PC builders and tweakers could not get VSL to run right on their machines. If they did, the cost of the laptop was close to a macs. Not to mention, time=$. So all that time you spend tweaking the PC should be factored into the cost of the laptop. When you factor that in, the PC is not cheaper than the mac and certainly does not work BETTER.



I agree anddisagree at the same time. What advice I would give to any user, PC or Mac, is that if you're buying something like a laptop for a specific use such as Serato, whatever the manufacturers minimun specs are... DOUBLE IT!! example VSL states using a 512mb graphics card. What it should say is it recommends a 1GB DEDICATED video card. Dedicated being the key word, not intergrated or shared RAM. I can take any laptop and optimized it for Serato or any software. It's a matter of boot processes. For example, most people shut off their WIFI while they are DJing but the processes are still running. If you have any questions about it, send me a message and I can tell you what you need and don't need running.
Henry GQ 10:58 PM - 11 February, 2012
yea we all know ME needs Serato. good point. and business is BUSINESS!

EVERYONE is soooo upset because one company was FINALLY able to give users what they REALLY want! they listened to the best video editors in the biz, the best video djs in the biz... and were able to go off WHAT THEY WANTED and Inklen DELIVERED! the best in the business know the future of video djing.. and were able to translate that to Inklen. Iknlen succeeded where serato failed. whoever is leading Serato right now... is well..... failing. i never seen so many complaints.

Serato made its name in the world by offering a computer based program that was stable and gave djs what they wanted! (at least at first) control of their turntables! and it grew from there.

everyone wants Serato Video to be better than ME, but how long will they have to wait? 2 years? thats like going 5 years back!
DJNitro12 11:00 PM - 11 February, 2012
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what I am saying has nothing to do with taking sides or which I use... it is all fact and is all business... you can like it, hate it or be indifferent and it is still what it is.


I agree, however I have yet to see Serato charge for any upgrades unlike most software companies, and I think we all thank Serato for that
sixxx 11:01 PM - 11 February, 2012
lol @ having to double the specs on a PC.

Here is a fact. I used SSL and VSL with a mac that BARELY MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.... FOR 4 YEARS!

oh and I paid $500 for it with 3 year applecare.

nm
DJBIGWIZ 11:02 PM - 11 February, 2012
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what I am saying has nothing to do with taking sides or which I use... it is all fact and is all business... you can like it, hate it or be indifferent and it is still what it is.


I agree, however I have yet to see Serato charge for any upgrades unlike most software companies, and I think we all thank Serato for that

I agree with you on that but here come the ones who will even debate that any minute now.....
Henry GQ 11:03 PM - 11 February, 2012
everyone is crying and whining because one company (Inklen) delivered a great program! just like serato has delievered a great program(ssl)

all these programs makes us a better dj/video dj!!

the complaints on this thread should be taken seriously! (Sam)

if Serato ends support of Inklen, i pray that Serato will quickly catch up to where Inklen has succeeded! (left off)
Henry GQ 11:04 PM - 11 February, 2012
can we get off the pc vs. mac bullshit. we all know whats up.
Henry GQ 11:11 PM - 11 February, 2012
I just hope that Serato sees what an impact Inklen has made! and they move quickly to adjust the Serato Video to what people really want! ME like features!

I will not buy the Rane 62 until they catch up to where Mix Emergency is currently at.

and this comes from someone that have owned or still owns an sl-1,sl-2,sl-3, ttm57sl, novations dicers, countless amounts of serato records, a rane 68 and im sure other stuff im forgetting
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:13 PM - 11 February, 2012
Wiz,

I already said I see your point and I agree on the technological stand point. You are correct in saying that ME needs SSL to run (and VSL). Serato does have the upper hand because their software extends far beyond video DJs. However in this circumstance, Serato also needs some of whatever Inklen has that has made so many DJs switch. Whether it is the programmer, the code, or the fact that Nick responded to so many requests. Serato needs that right now more than ever. If they want SV to be successful they have to bring more than a new name to the table and all these users are pointing that out.

I don't think anyone here is complaining without reason. I don't think any of these pro users would have invested 179 into ME if they knew it would stop working. Serato never officially supported ME but they did let it happen for 3+ years and that is enough for all this to transpire. Just judging on what ME users are saying, an extra $50-100 licensing fee to use ME officially with Serato is not out of line. Serato just knocked $50 off the price of SV so here is a way that they can make it back up.

Even if ME never works again with 2.4+ Serato have a long roadmap to get SV where ME is today and that makes a big difference to a lot of users.

All this being said. I have no problem getting my 62 and SV and using that for shows (as long as it works right lol). I own ME and I use it to record video sets. If I need to record I will just use the 57, 2.3.3 and ME. I'm actually excited to use SV so I can have video effects linked with the DJ-FX. That is one killer feature that ME doesn't have and probably won't.
DJBIGWIZ 11:14 PM - 11 February, 2012
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can we get off the pc vs. mac bullshit. we all know whats up.

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the complaints on this thread should be taken seriously! (Sam)

They are but the problem with that is.... everone complained about the bugs and stability issues with SL so they took it seriously and decided their code needed to be fixed, and given a major overhaul... in those changes, whatever was letting ME run off of them was changeg... not to shut off ME but make SL better which is waht people were complaing about and now, ME doesn't work so people are complaining about Serato trying to fix SL which is what everyone was complaining about before... do you see how fu*king ridiculous this all is? Serato can't catch a break here.... they are getting fussed and bitched at because they wont fix another companies program so that users can buy, use and support that other company instead of them.... they have apparently even tried to have talks with this other company when they don't have to and people are still mad at Serato. How fu*kin crazy do you have to be to yell at and blame one company because a program they have nothing to do with can't piggy back off of their product in order for the other company to take money away from Serato? WOW... a lot of people here are really on some delusional self entitlement baby throwing a tantrum shit because they can't have their way even though it makes no damn sense.
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:14 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I will not buy the Rane 62 until they catch up to where Mix Emergency is currently at.


see this sentiment is why I say Serato needs ME. or maybe I should say why Rane needs ME.
DJBIGWIZ 11:17 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Wiz,

I already said I see your point and I agree on the technological stand point. You are correct in saying that ME needs SSL to run (and VSL). Serato does have the upper hand because their software extends far beyond video DJs. However in this circumstance, Serato also needs some of whatever Inklen has that has made so many DJs switch.

Again Dub... NEEDS vs WANTS I spun alongside another DJ the other night and we ran SL and VSL all night with no problem and not one complaint.. actually we had a few compliments on the video aspect of it. I didn't NEED ME in order to do that.
DJNitro12 11:18 PM - 11 February, 2012
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lol @ having to double the specs on a PC.

Here is a fact. I used SSL and VSL with a mac that BARELY MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.... FOR 4 YEARS!

oh and I paid $500 for it with 3 year applecare.

nm


Why do I get the feeling that if I said the sky is blue, you're say it was red?
DJ Dynamite - NJ 11:19 PM - 11 February, 2012
Do people read first or do they just post randomly?

MIX EMERGENCY was NEVER SUPPORTED by Serato so stop bitching about not being able to use a program that was never supported to begin with. You're actually on the wrong forum complaining. You should be complaining to Inklen to upgrade their code to be compatible with SSL instead of bitching to Serato about not being able to use a program that they never supported in the first place.

It's like a customer coming to u on a hip-hop night and requesting a country song...and right now you're the customer requesting the country song!
DJBIGWIZ 11:21 PM - 11 February, 2012
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lol @ having to double the specs on a PC.

Here is a fact. I used SSL and VSL with a mac that BARELY MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.... FOR 4 YEARS!

oh and I paid $500 for it with 3 year applecare.

nm


Why do I get the feeling that if I said the sky is blue, you're say it was red?

Because A LOT of people here would.. and would go out of there way to come up with some really far reaching pseudo philosophical BS to fight you tooth and nail with to back it up.
(not directed at sixxx... just sayin they are here all around us)
Henry GQ 11:21 PM - 11 February, 2012
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can we get off the pc vs. mac bullshit. we all know whats up.

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the complaints on this thread should be taken seriously! (Sam)

They are but the problem with that is.... everone complained about the bugs and stability issues with SL so they took it seriously and decided their code needed to be fixed, and given a major overhaul... in those changes, whatever was letting ME run off of them was changeg... not to shut off ME but make SL better which is waht people were complaing about and now, ME doesn't work so people are complaining about Serato trying to fix SL which is what everyone was complaining about before... do you see how fu*king ridiculous this all is? Serato can't catch a break here.... they are getting fussed and bitched at because they wont fix another companies program so that users can buy, use and support that other company instead of them.... they have apparently even tried to have talks with this other company when they don't have to and people are still mad at Serato. How fu*kin crazy do you have to be to yell at and blame one company because a program they have nothing to do with can't piggy back off of their product in order for the other company to take money away from Serato? WOW... a lot of people here are really on some delusional self entitlement baby throwing a tantrum shit because they can't have their way even though it makes no damn sense.





i totally agree wiz
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:21 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Wiz,

I already said I see your point and I agree on the technological stand point. You are correct in saying that ME needs SSL to run (and VSL). Serato does have the upper hand because their software extends far beyond video DJs. However in this circumstance, Serato also needs some of whatever Inklen has that has made so many DJs switch.

Again Dub... NEEDS vs WANTS I spun alongside another DJ the other night and we ran SL and VSL all night with no problem and not one complaint.. actually we had a few compliments on the video aspect of it. I didn't NEED ME in order to do that.


I completely agree with you on this.


Needs are critical. Wants are important though. In fact, I doubt too many of us video DJs actually NEED to spin video. We WANT to push the art of the DJ so we do.
sixxx 11:22 PM - 11 February, 2012
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lol @ having to double the specs on a PC.

Here is a fact. I used SSL and VSL with a mac that BARELY MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.... FOR 4 YEARS!

oh and I paid $500 for it with 3 year applecare.

nm


Why do I get the feeling that if I said the sky is blue, you're say it was red?



Cause like all your arguments so far, nothing is 100%. I see rain in the forecast.

nm
DJBIGWIZ 11:23 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Do people read first or do they just post randomly?


is that a real question?

haha
They obviously just post... or read with poor reading comprehension skills and several seem to have trouble with context clues as well.
DJNitro12 11:23 PM - 11 February, 2012
Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?
Henry GQ 11:24 PM - 11 February, 2012
i agree VSL runs fine. but i cant record with it, i dont have multiple transitions that i can use. and so forth..

its like saying. i run ssl, it plays my mp3s just fine, but i dont need cue points, a library system, looping abilities... but im still able to play on it. :P bahaha. i like messin with ya homie
sixxx 11:24 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?



Exhibit A
Henry GQ 11:25 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?


its not. lol
Henry GQ 11:25 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?



Exhibit A



lol
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:25 PM - 11 February, 2012
I think Serato WANT happy customers. Which is why this is being discussed here.

however....

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It's like a customer coming to u on a hip-hop night and requesting a country song...and right now you're the customer requesting the country song!


I'll shut up now. because I hate that guy.
Henry GQ 11:25 PM - 11 February, 2012
this thread is fuckin entertaining! i love it!!!!
sixxx 11:26 PM - 11 February, 2012
I know one thing.... It doesn't matter. Rane will still sell a lot of new mixers. nm
Henry GQ 11:26 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I think Serato WANT happy customers. Which is why this is being discussed here.

however....

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It's like a customer coming to u on a hip-hop night and requesting a country song...and right now you're the customer requesting the country song!


I'll shut up now. because I hate that guy.
Henry GQ 11:26 PM - 11 February, 2012
... now thats funny!
DJBIGWIZ 11:27 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Wiz,

I already said I see your point and I agree on the technological stand point. You are correct in saying that ME needs SSL to run (and VSL). Serato does have the upper hand because their software extends far beyond video DJs. However in this circumstance, Serato also needs some of whatever Inklen has that has made so many DJs switch.

Again Dub... NEEDS vs WANTS I spun alongside another DJ the other night and we ran SL and VSL all night with no problem and not one complaint.. actually we had a few compliments on the video aspect of it. I didn't NEED ME in order to do that.


I completely agree with you on this.


Needs are critical. Wants are important though. In fact, I doubt too many of us video DJs actually NEED to spin video. We WANT to push the art of the DJ so we do.

Exactly, we don't NEED to spin video but if one chooses to spin video and use SL which we are all talking about here, you NEED SL (obviously if we are talking about using SL) and a video solution that works with it... ME or VSL/SV. We don't NEED ME.... we WANT ME or at least what it offers
DJBIGWIZ 11:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?



Exhibit A

hahahaha
Henry GQ 11:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
but we NEED MixEmergency to record. how else are we gonna showcase our skills to potential clients?
sixxx 11:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
Serato WANTS customers happy and Serato Video is a step in the right direction FOR ITS CUSTOMERS.
Henry GQ 11:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
RECORD SHOULD BE THE FIRST NEW FEATURE IN SERATO VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
DJBIGWIZ 11:28 PM - 11 February, 2012
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I think Serato WANT happy customers. Which is why this is being discussed here.

however....

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It's like a customer coming to u on a hip-hop night and requesting a country song...and right now you're the customer requesting the country song!


I'll shut up now. because I hate that guy.

hahahaha... I missed that... that's great. thank you!
DJNitro12 11:29 PM - 11 February, 2012
I'll take your word for it Henry. Like I said I have never used ME so I can't compare.
sixxx 11:30 PM - 11 February, 2012
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but we NEED MixEmergency to record. how else are we gonna showcase our skills to potential clients?


There are more ways to record than ME. Obviously ME is the easiest.
DJNitro12 11:31 PM - 11 February, 2012
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but we NEED MixEmergency to record. how else are we gonna showcase our skills to potential clients?


There are more ways to record than ME. Obviously ME is the easiest.


Again I was unaware you could record w/ ME as well. I always used a capture card
Henry GQ 11:32 PM - 11 February, 2012
Nitro, it is truely a great program for the video dj that wants to step their game up!


this is why the public out roar for what they THINK is bullshit. however i knew this was coming, i thought it was gonna happen a logn tiem ago. luckily i got my 179 dollars worth!

on anothe rnote.. if Inken and Serato do not come to terms, i only hope that Iknlen work on a self standing program. i would consider buying whats needed :)
Henry GQ 11:33 PM - 11 February, 2012
can Serato Video do this? nope...

Watchvimeo.com
DJBIGWIZ 11:34 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Ok one more question..... I haven't read the whole threadso it might have been addresses already, but what if the new Serato Video is just as good or better than ME?

SV is not out yet but the fact it is a new product, running off of new SL code that is nmot even out yet, I doubt it is going to be as good as a product that has been around for years for a couple of releases.... what we DO know is that it WILL work with SL =)
sixxx 11:36 PM - 11 February, 2012
Rumor is Inklen is working with Behringer for the best controller to ever hit the market. :P
Millz 11:37 PM - 11 February, 2012
Cant say much but I will say that I rocked Serato Video at Mobile Beat DJ Expo and it was solid. No hangs, no problems. So if you are speculating that its just vsl with a new name, you would be incorrect.
DJBIGWIZ 11:37 PM - 11 February, 2012
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its like saying. i run ssl, it plays my mp3s just fine, but i dont need cue points, a library system, looping abilities... but im still able to play on it. :P bahaha. i like messin with ya homie

haha, all good... I just can't believe we're on the same side here this time for the most part.... hmmmm.. maybe I am wrong here.
;)

j/k
DJBIGWIZ 11:37 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Rumor is Inklen is working with Behringer for the best controller to ever hit the market. :P

NOW THAT'S FUNNY
DJBIGWIZ 11:38 PM - 11 February, 2012
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but we NEED MixEmergency to record. how else are we gonna showcase our skills to potential clients?

screen ca
DJBIGWIZ 11:39 PM - 11 February, 2012
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but we NEED MixEmergency to record. how else are we gonna showcase our skills to potential clients?

Screen capture program, DVD recorder and other options out there.

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can Serato Video do this? nope...

Watchvimeo.com

apparently neither can ME in the new versions of SL
hahaha
Henry GQ 11:39 PM - 11 February, 2012
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Rumor is Inklen is working with Behringer for the best controller to ever hit the market. :P



fail.
Henry GQ 11:42 PM - 11 February, 2012
honestly... Inklen should work with pioneer. watch the heads roll then....
Henry GQ 11:42 PM - 11 February, 2012
i MISS my pioneer 800, but damn that was a heavy ass mixer lol
DJNitro12 11:43 PM - 11 February, 2012
My main reason for using the VSL and a TTM57 was I could crossfade both audio and video w/ the same crossfader. I know you can midi some mixers to do so like the Pioneer DJM900 ( I think, don't quote me on that), but I'm not a Pioneer fan. I like aspects of their stuff, but I would take part of one, mix it with another if I could.
DJNitro12 11:45 PM - 11 February, 2012
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can Serato Video do this? nope...

Watchvimeo.com



Very nice mix, but the problem is you can tell what you're doing with ME and how the video originally came to you outside of mixing the audio and lettting the previous video play. Excellent video though. Very nice job.
Henry GQ 11:46 PM - 11 February, 2012
thats was me just crossfading back n forth..
Henry GQ 11:47 PM - 11 February, 2012
the point is... the record function. its what i need to showcase what a video dj can do. thats hugely important to future clients
DJNitro12 11:50 PM - 11 February, 2012
are the buttons in ME MIDI assignable?
DJNitro12 11:50 PM - 11 February, 2012
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are the buttons in ME MIDI assignable?


and crossfader?
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:55 PM - 11 February, 2012
yes
DJBIGWIZ 11:57 PM - 11 February, 2012
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and crossfader?

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can you assign them in 2.4?

haha.. sorry. I couldn't pass that up
Millz 12:09 AM - 12 February, 2012
See I feel thats kinda wack Wiz. You are not keepin it professional ;)
Code:E 12:10 AM - 12 February, 2012
cache.blippitt.com


children. how about you all agree to disagree.

I think we all have come to the point where we know that the VSL fanboys think the ME users are free loading and the ME fanboys know just how much better they are than VSL user's. Serato will do something im sure of it, what the something is we dont know and serato wont give us any hints. and ME doesn't want to hurt them self either so there not commenting on speculation.

Bigwiz im not sure what your problem is, I doubt your on serato pay roll, so your child-like defense of them is perplexing.If Ableton or traktor decided to stop supporting 3rd party VST plugins people would be just as upset. just because serato never officially supported the use of 3rd party plugins doesn't mean people dont have the right to be upset about it when they discontinue that service.
Henry GQ 12:13 AM - 12 February, 2012
actually hes on Ranes payroll... so thats good enough.
Henry GQ 12:14 AM - 12 February, 2012
and Wiz is a champion for the Serato / Rane products, so i get what he says and what hes doing. respect.
lvmez 12:16 AM - 12 February, 2012
for all the vj's who ONLY want to use mix emergency and nothing else, rane/ serato will eventually get it when you guys don't purchase the new mixers. For those who have not used ME, you don't know what your missing, but with that being said, me personally, I'm going with the 62. Prior to using ME I had a lot of success with vsl.

* everyone should chill out. most dj's on this thread have very valid points. I do believe serato will listen.
sixxx 12:18 AM - 12 February, 2012
Child-like defense? lol


Sits and grabs some popcorn.

nm
BERTO 12:26 AM - 12 February, 2012
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actually hes on Ranes payroll... so thats good enough.

Like the inconvinient truth
DJBIGWIZ 12:31 AM - 12 February, 2012
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Bigwiz im not sure what your problem is, I doubt your on serato pay roll, so your child-like defense of them is perplexing.If Ableton or traktor decided to stop supporting 3rd party VST plugins people would be just as upset. just because serato never officially supported the use of 3rd party plugins doesn't mean people dont have the right to be upset about it when they discontinue that service.

first off my problem is
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a lot of people here are really on some delusional self entitlement baby throwing a tantrum shit because they can't have their way even though it makes no damn sense


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I doubt your on serato pay roll, so your child-like defense of them is perplexing.If Ableton or traktor decided to stop supporting 3rd party VST plugins people would be just as upset. just because serato never officially supported the use of 3rd party plugins doesn't mean people dont have the right to be upset about it when they discontinue that service.

no, I am not on Serato or Ranes payroll regardless of what Henry G may think... I do not work FOR either one of them. It's funny how I can point out obvious common sense and be called child like but you expecting one company to make sure a separate companies product can work even though they have nothing to do with it and it takes money away from them is not being child- like.
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how fu*kin crazy do you have to be to yell at and blame one company because a program they have nothing to do with can't piggy back off of their product in order for the other company to take money away from Serato?
you seem to be a perfect example of this "intelligent justified adult-like" mentality
DJBIGWIZ 12:32 AM - 12 February, 2012
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actually hes on Ranes payroll... so thats good enough.

Like the inconvinient truth

more like don't have your facts straight
BERTO 12:33 AM - 12 February, 2012
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actually hes on Ranes payroll... so thats good enough.

Like the inconvinient truth

more like don't have your facts straight

Fair enough, wheres Rane in this thread? I would like thwm to chime in
BERTO 12:33 AM - 12 February, 2012
Them *
DJBIGWIZ 12:33 AM - 12 February, 2012
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See I feel thats kinda wack Wiz. You are not keepin it professional ;)

hahaha... comedian is a profession and they makes jokes no?
so wouldn't that make a joke professional behavior?
just sayin....



don't blame me for tryin.
VJ Justin Allen 12:39 AM - 12 February, 2012
It's interesting...I don't think the argument has ever been VSL (or Serato Video) is better than ME...clearly it is not. And in a perfect world ME would be 100% integrated into ScratchLive and Itch. Hopefully we can all agree with this.

The issue is about how far Serato should go...or about how far ME should go, in order to keep things the way they have been. Some people believe that Serato should completely change their stated plans and do everything possible to keep ME working...and others believe that Serato has to look out for themselves first, just as any other company would do.

That being said there is not a single person who has posted in this thread who has a clue about the actual words between Serato and ME...or the challenges that has arisen between the two companies in trying to make this work.

That being said, I am sure that Serato knows how those who use ME feels. And at the end of the day will make the best decision not only for Serato...but for those exact same customers that currently use ME. No one really should be "for or against" one or the other...we should all be "for" the best solution...whatever that may be.

And we also have to realize that we are not in a position right now to even know what that "best" solution is.
Henry GQ 12:42 AM - 12 February, 2012
ahhh fuck my bad. i thought u were. insert foot into mouth. damn
Henry GQ 12:44 AM - 12 February, 2012
so please share the facts of ur dealings with Rane. i mean ur a somebody within the rane camp
DJ Dub Cowboy 1:04 AM - 12 February, 2012
Henry GQ 1:21 AM - 12 February, 2012
thnx dub, i do remember taking the time to read this.. this is why i said those comments
damehype 2:50 AM - 12 February, 2012
Out of the total number of Serato users, how many are video djs. Not casually, but serious video djs?
Code:E 3:41 AM - 12 February, 2012
I would guess 10% ^^^^^
damehype 4:53 AM - 12 February, 2012
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the point is... the record function. its what i need to showcase what a video dj can do. thats hugely important to future clients


Screenflow... Screenium... Camtasia... just to name a few
damehype 4:53 AM - 12 February, 2012
^ There is always an alternative solution
Djd'alex 5:14 AM - 12 February, 2012
Help please I have two pair of ev elx 115 p the sound for me are amazing and to be honest I went to all store and listen to qsc k12 but I decide to go with the ev 15 inch it has more volume ,now in the sub I realized sometimes I need one sub people told me that for those speaker I will need a good sub beacouse of the woofer is 15 inch and it's already produce good bass but nothing like a sub , so I went to g c and bougth a ev elx 118p sub and then I relished that that sub doesn't handle to much bass and link the limit a lot I'm not happy about that I look good but the sound for me is crap so I returned I only payed 600 for it so now im looking for sub around max 800 that can be a little powerful. But the main thing that doesn't blink like the ev sub what u guys recommende me please help I know qsc and jbl xlf are the top I love them but they are super expensive for me I don't know about mackie 1801 sub my three main thing are weight no more than 85 pound price no more than 800 to 850 max and power and not link like the ev please help thanks
DJ Unique 5:59 AM - 12 February, 2012
What???
Que???
DJBIGWIZ 10:14 AM - 12 February, 2012
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so please share the facts of ur dealings with Rane. i mean ur a somebody within the rane camp
I had a whole big thing typed out but read over it and deleted it because I speak on this forum as an end user and don't need to prove anything to anybody here. The bottom line is that I'm basically a 3rd party... an independent contractor. I work WITH Rane & Serato from time to time and have worked with other companies here and there as well. My work and input has proved itself over and over. I am not "employed" by anyone other than myself. I am hired on a per project basis. I work with and promote who and what I believe in. My opinion is not for sale nor has it never been. I can tell you from dealing with a lot of companies and having insight to even more equipment manufactures that Rane is a very rare company. They are an anomaly in this industry and have my full support until they deviate from what they stand for which I don't see happening. Everyone I know there is not only great and sincere at what they do but a good person in general. I don't get paid to say anything here... actually, it'd probably be better for me from a business standpoint if I didn't express my self as much as I do but I'm an end user first and foremost and should have as much right to speak my mind as anyone else here with out MY opinion being falsely attached to a paycheck. If that were the case, I'd be too busy spending my money to be bothered with half the bullshit on this forum in the first place. That's the short version of it.
slimmjimm 1:28 PM - 12 February, 2012
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It's interesting...I don't think the argument has ever been VSL (or Serato Video) is better than ME...clearly it is not. And in a perfect world ME would be 100% integrated into ScratchLive and Itch. Hopefully we can all agree with this.

The issue is about how far Serato should go...or about how far ME should go, in order to keep things the way they have been. Some people believe that Serato should completely change their stated plans and do everything possible to keep ME working...and others believe that Serato has to look out for themselves first, just as any other company would do.

That being said there is not a single person who has posted in this thread who has a clue about the actual words between Serato and ME...or the challenges that has arisen between the two companies in trying to make this work.

That being said, I am sure that Serato knows how those who use ME feels. And at the end of the day will make the best decision not only for Serato...but for those exact same customers that currently use ME. No one really should be "for or against" one or the other...we should all be "for" the best solution...whatever that may be.

And we also have to realize that we are not in a position right now to even know what that "best" solution is.



1 hunned.

< Patiently waiting for some more Rane/Serato input.
Rebelguy 3:37 PM - 12 February, 2012
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Screenflow... Screenium... Camtasia... just to name a few


^ There is always an alternative solution


Sure but the option is included in Mix Emergency and none of the solutions you mentioned offer the same quality of recording as ME.
Millz 3:40 PM - 12 February, 2012
I joke I joke I keeed I keed! :P
lvmez 4:00 PM - 12 February, 2012
I prefer to record with screenflow over ME. You can add your tags prior to exporting final product.
Archives 11:58 PM - 12 February, 2012
I'm another DJ who bought Ableton for the sole purpose of using Mixtape. This is really upsetting to see it go away so soon. Ableton wasn't cheap, and neither are these new mixers. I appreciate the fact that Serato wants to put out the best products they can, and I believe they're the best on the market, but I think the fair thing to do would be to make sure customers were informed that we're losing support before we buy new hardware. I know we don't HAVE to upgrade, but many of us will. This info could be a dealbreaker, it is for me. I'll be holding off on that new 62 because of this alone. If I hadn't run across this post, I wouldn't have known. At least make it known on the product pages that this is going away.
Archives 12:01 AM - 13 February, 2012
Not everyone comes into the forums. I just happened to notice that talk about supporting it disappeared from the product page. What other features will you decide to stop supporting?
DeezNotes 12:48 AM - 13 February, 2012
+1 vote for mixtape!!!! i just found an unopened maxell cassette tape and i intend to USE IT!
DJ Unique 1:04 AM - 13 February, 2012
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+1 vote for mixtape!!!! i just found an unopened maxell cassette tape and i intend to USE IT!

Score!!!
I think I might have a few Maxell tapes lying around as well.
skinnyguy 3:08 AM - 13 February, 2012
Djd'alex - check out the new active series from Yamaha. Dx series or something. Much better than those ev elx.
skinnyguy 3:25 AM - 13 February, 2012
The way I see things, serato is running at their own pace with blinders on. They felt VSL needed an entire overhaul for video. Fine. Did it. Not really their fault that non-officially supported progs would be locked out.

Now on inklen's side, it's up to nick to figure out how to patch in again. Did he have knowledge he wasn't supposed to or did he just hack into it? Either way, he figured it out or got in and ME worked. Now that there is a new structure for video, it will be up to him on his own again, to figure out how to patch into the new system. Will serato give him what is needed? Or can he hack in? I don't know. I have no idea how all this coding stuff works. Either way, it's all on him to figure it out.

How difficult or easy it is, again, I have no clue. Maybe it takes quite a bit of effort to do...or maybe he has to rewrite ME from ground up too because of it. That's definitely gonna be worth asking some money for. Maybe another reason why next version is 2.0.

And maybe that's why he can't release 2.0 just yet. He just hasn't "hacked" the new system yet. And I bet most ME users would want 2.0 to be compatible with older SSL versions too....like 192...

Or maybe 2.0 is ready for release but hacking takes extra time so maybe that's why we all have to pay by 2.1.
damehype 5:38 AM - 13 February, 2012
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Screenflow... Screenium... Camtasia... just to name a few


^ There is always an alternative solution


Sure but the option is included in Mix Emergency and none of the solutions you mentioned offer the same quality of recording as ME.


Are you serious? Screenium, for example, offers multiple codecs for recording and output. If you know what you're doing, you could surpass ME's "quality"
D-Twizzle 6:36 AM - 13 February, 2012
for what it's worth, 2 people posted on my facebook feed that inklen was able to get ME to work with 2.4. (very unofficial source) i guess we'll see what happens when ssl 2.4 and me 2.0 come out.
DJ Tanke 6:40 AM - 13 February, 2012
to all the djs complaining about the change, suck it up!!!

if you cannot accept the change, then you will be left behind like everyone else. accept the change and try something new!!!

serato knows what their doing, rane knows what their doing.

im buying my 61 and accepting the change serato/rane are bringing to the music industry.

P.S. - to all the people fighting, act your dam age, your adults not little kids
trnsprtr 6:50 AM - 13 February, 2012
Will we still be able to record regular audio with the 61/62? Not als files, just audio like the 57 does.
Nicky Blunt 8:27 AM - 13 February, 2012
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Ill say one more thing... if the Mixtape/Bridge Relation with Ableton can't be resolved, stabilized, and made to be kickass... then there is your example for the people that want inklen and serato to collab.... they couldn't even make the legit partnership work.....

Something to think about...


To be fair dude they have hinted at something being in the works, maybe a rebranded version or something. I'm guessing bith parties are staying tight lipped as 2.4 isnt out yet & neither is ableton 9. So Im guessing at around release time for the latter we will hear all about hatever it is thats been hinted at. I just hopoe its eiether as good as mixtape or better. I just think they should have made it clearer to those who were rushing out to buy the new mixer that some of the features your expectin WONT BE THERE!
phatbob 9:37 AM - 13 February, 2012
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if you cannot accept the change, then you will be left behind like everyone else. accept the change and try something new!!!


That statement could certainly apply to anyone still using VideoSL to DJ with video. They have been left far behind ME users years ago.

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im buying my 61 and accepting the change serato/rane are bringing to the music industry


What 'change to the music industry' is the 61 bringing, exactly? A better sound card and less features than the 57? Woah, paradigm shift right there!

Even the 62 is basically a 57 with less channels than an SL4 and some new buttons.

Both fine mixers, sure, but it's software that makes the difference and that remains to be seen.



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P.S. - to all the people fighting, act your dam age, your adults not little kids


Way to go with your first post. Tell you what, why don't you contribute a bit to this community yourself before you start insulting those of us who have done for a long time.

Troll.
DJ Tanke 9:57 AM - 13 February, 2012
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That statement could certainly apply to anyone still using VideoSL to DJ with video. They have been left far behind ME users years ago.


ive used both, but i just my preference i dont want another program open while im mixing, rather keep it simple and have everything in one program, but thats my choice, ill stick with Video-SL its not like during a gig you will go thru all the effects that Video-SL/ME have ;)...i have a 2011 pro 15" 2.0 quad-core running 16gb of memory so i know i can run more than one program easily but i rather have all the memory dedicated to one program a.k.a. scratchlive/video-sl then have it distributed ;)

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Both fine mixers, sure, but it's software that makes the difference and that remains to be seen.


software is always going to have its tweaks, everytime the software gets upgraded something improves and something doesnt, thats all coding, its doesnt always go 100%....

heres is a nice video about the mixers: www.youtube.com

enjoy :P

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Way to go with your first post. Tell you what, why don't you contribute a bit to this community yourself before you start insulting those of us who have done for a long time.
Troll.


thank you sir ;), this is my first post under this account....but i read alot of post and the nonsense some people right....long story short nobody will be happy, but people will have to either adapt or stay back in time, #KIS
DJ Tanke 10:13 AM - 13 February, 2012
here is another video :) : enjoy : www.youtube.com!
phatbob 11:01 AM - 13 February, 2012
I'm aware of what the new mixers do, thanks.

You are clearly unaware of what ME offers, or indeed how much demand is put on systems by VSL and ME.

Educate yourself before you try and patronise others.
BattleFunk 11:05 AM - 13 February, 2012
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if you cannot accept the change, then you will be left behind like everyone else. accept the change and try something new!!!


are you serious? muhfuggaz still using turntables out the 70's lol (no cd vs vinyl)
DeezNotes 11:50 AM - 13 February, 2012
Why does it seem like most people missed some key things Brigid said and respond more to others' comments? If you skip all the crap and read ONLY what she wrote, you'll get it.

She said herself, don't read between the lines in her statement about The Bridge. Right now, it's not supported and later it "might" be. I for one sure hope so. I'm not expecting something "new being in the works." I'm hoping what currently works will still work!!

She also said breaking ME functionality was a hard decision to make, but they had to make it in order to move forward. She also said it wasn't for money. It's obviously for progression of the software. The problem is they [Serato] don't have a comparable product (according to what I'm reading). It does make sense to drop ME functionality when they can guarantee that VSL can do most of what it does - but apparently it doesn't.

Sometimes you have to make decisions no one will like in order to make things better. It's almost like when a kid wants a toy and the parents say "no," only because the parents have to allocate money to something more important. Eventually, the kid may get the toy.... but after more important bills are paid.

Rather than complaining and talking about BS, why not start a poll or gather useful information on what features people want to see in VSL or start a petition to keep The Bridge working? All this speculation is annoying.
djbigredaz 12:22 PM - 13 February, 2012
So here's the deal with me. i am currently saving up for the 62, i currently run 2.3.1 and have both slvid and ME. Since I WILL NOT be selling my current mixer, i will probibly just change the name of my serato file and run both. non vid sets I will run the 62, but with video, i will still run my Pioneer 400 and SL1 with ME. Serato Video better be worth it.
Dj Nyce 1:36 PM - 13 February, 2012
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to all the djs complaining about the change, suck it up!!!

if you cannot accept the change, then you will be left behind like everyone else. accept the change and try something new!!!


this dude just pops in here with his bullshit post. go update your profile, post in the itch or intro sections, then come back over when you got some forum time under your belt.

you probably don't even have the dough to purchase a 61 or 62 in your bank account. start saving. i for instance just plopped down $1700 only to find via a post the following week that owning it will require an update which will break compatibility with one of the most important apps on my macbook. that gives me a right to speak, bitch, complain (call it whatever you want).

and i don't have to accept change. i can keep my 57 and never buy another piece of rane hardware again. i can buy a pioneer. i don't have to accept it.

and how can you be left behind if you don't accept it. having to use serato video will set you back 2-3 years.

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ive used both, but i just my preference i dont want another program open while im mixing, rather keep it simple and have everything in one program, but thats my choice, ill stick with Video-SL its not like during a gig you will go thru all the effects that Video-SL/ME have ;)...i have a 2011 pro 15" 2.0 quad-core running 16gb of memory so i know i can run more than one program easily but i rather have all the memory dedicated to one program a.k.a. scratchlive/video-sl then have it distributed ;)


you fanboys kill me. can never have an objective look at anything. when your favorite shit is lacking features you make up bullshit reasons why you don't need or will never use it.

i own VSL and ME. i've used both. yes you can do video mixing with VSL, but if you ever used ME are you seriously telling me that you would rather use VSL? that right there tells me everything i need to know about you.

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P.S. - to all the people fighting, act your dam age, your adults not little kids


oh and it's damn, not dam. a dam is a barrier that impounds water or underground streams. damn is to swear at often used to express annoyance, disgust, or surprise. Dam is the one you wanted. get your forum time in and you will quickly learn the difference.
Nicky Blunt 1:50 PM - 13 February, 2012
AmsterDAM?
Nicky Blunt 1:50 PM - 13 February, 2012
lulz
Millz 1:59 PM - 13 February, 2012
Amsterd0tz
Dj Nyce 3:42 PM - 13 February, 2012
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damn is the one you wanted.


fixed
djbigredaz 3:43 PM - 13 February, 2012
lol
DJ Tapout 5:14 PM - 13 February, 2012
No post from @Brigid today.... That's funny
I wish they would just go ahead and release 2.4 and the new VSL so we all can look at it for our self... I am just going to stick with my 57's ,2.2 and ME

I just want to know why Serato did not ask for our (as in top VJ that use ME) input on the new VSL when they started development of it....
Rebelguy 5:16 PM - 13 February, 2012
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I just want to know why Serato did not ask for our (as in top VJ that use ME) input on the new VSL when they started development of it....


How do you know they haven't?
HYDRO MATIC 5:48 PM - 13 February, 2012
the SSL family would have hated DIGIDESIGN and theyre plugin policy from 1990 -2008 or so...
DJMark 8:14 PM - 13 February, 2012
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ive used both, but i just my preference i dont want another program open while im mixing, rather keep it simple and have everything in one program, but thats my choice, ill stick with Video-SL its not like during a gig you will go thru all the effects that Video-SL/ME have ;)...i have a 2011 pro 15" 2.0 quad-core running 16gb of memory so i know i can run more than one program easily but i rather have all the memory dedicated to one program a.k.a. scratchlive/video-sl then have it distributed ;)


Newsflash for you:

1) Video-SL is just as much of a "separate program" as Mix Emergency. It just happens to have a launch link built into Scratch Live. Don't take my word for it...check what happens in Activity monitor when you start up Video-SL.

2) paying the substantial amount of money to put 16gb RAM into a MacBook Pro only to worry about "running one program at a time" is ridiculous. Nothing wrong with buying "more RAM than you need", but you'd have saved yourself several hundred dollars simply by checking Activity Monitor when running apps and observing memory usage (specifically, "page ins" and "page outs").
monchi 9:28 PM - 13 February, 2012
Well I am not a VDJ but how is this different from ME? It is SSL with Video -SL
Watchwww.youtube.com
This video is from a year ago but I really never saw or heard anything about this on here. Was is not even close to ME as far as features and use? Just curious Thanks.
AVENUE 9:46 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Djd'alex - check out the new active series from Yamaha. Dx series or something. Much better than those ev elx.


Come on Randy.. you are killing me..
Brigid 9:48 PM - 13 February, 2012
Sorry for the silence guys, I'm still here, lurking.
Code:E 10:00 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Well I am not a VDJ but how is this different from ME? It is SSL with Video -SL
Watchwww.youtube.com
This video is from a year ago but I really never saw or heard anything about this on here. Was is not even close to ME as far as features and use? Just curious Thanks.


Joachim Garraud dose something very different with his Video SL setup. He useing only custom made quartz compositions that are effect by the beat, and all of his video's are made for him alone. also the videos he uses are cropped to be used on the video system that be brings with him to shows, and there is also a guy managing his video signal after he send it out of his computer. Theres alot going on in the background they are not showing you in that video. But FYI ME can do all that he does and more. Joachim Garraud is just really doing all of his videos with Quartz composer or custom video content so ita not really applicable to the issue people are having on here. ME has has far more features and customizability than VSL.
phatbob 10:05 PM - 13 February, 2012
Monchi:

Serato themselves have provided us with an ideal metaphor now.

ME = Scratch Live

VSL = DJ Intro

You can mix with either. But once you've used Sceatch Live, there is a lot you'd miss if you switched to Intro.

As for Joachim Garraud, he's got a huge team of people making that show happen. MixEmergency is the closest a single DJ can come to having that kind of power.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 10:14 PM - 13 February, 2012
Never heard of this Joachim guy, but I'm wondering... did he start out with a huge team behind him or did he use his creativity and imagination to get him to the point where he could have a huge team working him?
monchi 10:15 PM - 13 February, 2012
Code:E and phatbob thanks for taking the the to expain this to me, much appreciated. All this dj technology is mind blowing. Thanks again.
phatbob 10:19 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Never heard of this Joachim guy, but I'm wondering... did he start out with a huge team behind him or did he use his creativity and imagination to get him to the point where he could have a huge team working him?


Money.

He's been a successful producer for years and years, in EDM and other genres.

All of David Guetta's early production output was basically just Joachim Garraud records.

He's a very inventive guy, but the video shows are simply down to a LOT of money invested and a lot of talented motion graphics designers..
phatbob 10:21 PM - 13 February, 2012
Same with Fatboy Slim.

One of my all-time favourite producers. Great video show.

You think Norman Cook learnt After Effects? No.

Successful musicians get professionals to do this shit for them.

The rest of us use MixEmergency.
DJBIGWIZ 10:24 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Monchi:
Serato themselves have provided us with an ideal metaphor now.

ME = Scratch Live

VSL = DJ Intro

hahaha that was a cheap shot... but pretty funny.
fair enough.
phatbob 10:26 PM - 13 February, 2012
Hey look, Intro is perfectly functional DJ software. No diss.

But don't ask me to use it in the club.
DJBIGWIZ 10:31 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Joachim Garraud dose something very different with his Video SL setup.....

Joachim Garraud is just really doing all of his videos with Quartz composer or custom video content so ita not really applicable to the issue people are having on here. ME has has far more features and customizability than VSL.

True and good point but it does bring up something I think I brought up somewhere else.
People complain a lot about features, bells & whistles and such when they don't even use a portion of what's available in what they have to begin with. Someone like Joachim is doing far more with what you are able to do with VSL than most people I've seen using ME.
That's not to say ME isn't more powerful or better... we all know that (and what he's doing can be done in ME as well and more if you want to push beyond the basics) but the point is if you want to push the limits of what you can do, a lot of times, that's what's gonna make the difference, not which program you're using.
phatbob 10:38 PM - 13 February, 2012
What you say is true up to a point BigWiz.

But there is also a point at which any software will hold back your imagination. Even ME.

Of course, you'll probably hit a skills wall long before that!

Ultimately I'm a DJ first, a video content creator second, and so tools that make life easier are of great value to me.
DJBIGWIZ 10:49 PM - 13 February, 2012
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What you say is true up to a point BigWiz.

But there is also a point at which any software will hold back your imagination. Even ME.

Of course, you'll probably hit a skills wall long before that!

Ultimately I'm a DJ first, a video content creator second, and so tools that make life easier are of great value to me.

agree 100% my point wasn't in defense of favor of either plug in... just an observation in general weather it's applied to video plug-ins, DVS systems, mixers, samplers, drum machines, video editing programs etc... anything really. It's just relevant here because a lot of people (not all of them) complaining about all the changes are the ones who aren't even using doing anything in one that they couldn't do in the other.
Deejaysk 10:53 PM - 13 February, 2012
No one knew what it ME until now. Good advertisement paid by serato.
Deejaysk 10:53 PM - 13 February, 2012
*is
Code:E 11:32 PM - 13 February, 2012
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Never heard of this Joachim guy, but I'm wondering... did he start out with a huge team behind him or did he use his creativity and imagination to get him to the point where he could have a huge team working him?


Joachim is a log time famous dj in europe (someone correct me if im wrong on his past, i dont know him that well besides for a few remixes from 5 years ago). Like deadmau5 and daftpunk they added the video element to there stage shows once they had the money to pay a professional to create it WITH them. All of these artist has contribution to there video show, but it is not all created by them.
Millz 11:43 PM - 13 February, 2012
www.crooklynclan.net
We are the future :)
phatbob 11:46 PM - 13 February, 2012
OT, somewhat, but Joachim's branding has GOT to be admired.

The space invaders theme, with the visuals, the alien masks the crowd wear, the theme in his tracks... Masterful.

Anyway back to the topic... Licence ME compatibility please Serato.

Thanks.

;-)
DJBIGWIZ 12:09 AM - 14 February, 2012
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OT, somewhat, but Joachim's branding has GOT to be admired.

The space invaders theme, with the visuals, the alien masks the crowd wear, the theme in his tracks... Masterful.


+1000
HYDRO MATIC 12:17 AM - 14 February, 2012
sorry for the detour...but what style of music is Joachim considered to be playing? (other than edm)
phatbob 12:18 AM - 14 February, 2012
It's usually known as Electro House.
DJSenSei 3:39 AM - 14 February, 2012
This would be my first forum post
well if serato video is the same type thing and run as a separate program. there will have to be a way for the to communicate so when it comes out. nick need to run a program or two and then run 2.4 with out it open and then see what happens when he starts video to programs can communicate with out a line of some sort right now "ME" picks up on that communication that how it works now and since ssl dosnt have video in with the one program there will still be a hole some kind and i couldn't get encrypted cus then there would be way to much delay and a lot of cpu power needed. so we will have to see when the both get release cus nick can't get them early and i don't think that would happen.
that is all till i can get the 62 and 2.4 i can't run the same programs.
Eloy Garcia 4:06 AM - 14 February, 2012
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No one knew what it ME until now. Good advertisement paid by serato.


LOL
Eloy Garcia 4:06 AM - 14 February, 2012
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www.crooklynclan.net
We are the future :)


O NO!
VJDomArmano 4:42 AM - 14 February, 2012
"We've rewritten the architecture that Video works on, and as a result, Serato's Video-SL and unsupported third party applications like Inklen's Mix Emergency are no longer compatible."

This bothers me, as I make my living playing music, and I do so with proper tools only. Like JoshCarl mentions above, I will buy Serato 5times if it's compatible with ME.

I run banner displays for the locations I work at, nights and more.. I depend on Scratch AND ME to make the night STELLAR for my customers. This is a very risky move on your part Rane. I am hoping you do right by us faithful who have been with you for a long time.
djbigredaz 4:50 AM - 14 February, 2012
it's not rane it's serato. but im with ya dom
DJNitro12 5:02 AM - 14 February, 2012
Whitney Houston used ME and look where that got her.......
VJDomArmano 5:21 AM - 14 February, 2012
**CORRECTION.. "This is a very risky move on your part Rane." should read "This is a very risky move on your part Serato."
Rebelguy 6:27 AM - 14 February, 2012
So is everyone complaining really consistently running the latest version of Scratchlive and planning on upgrading to a Sixty Two or is everyone just looking for something to be upset about?
damehype 6:36 AM - 14 February, 2012
^ The latter RG
DJBIGWIZ 6:44 AM - 14 February, 2012
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Whitney Houston used ME and look where that got her.......

hahaha... and so it begins
phatbob 10:21 AM - 14 February, 2012
Speaking for myself, RG, I have 2.3.3 and Itch 2.1 on my main gig machine, and I'm very happy with them both. The problem arises for me next time there is a change to the file handling in future versions, like in the latest updates.

I'm then left in a situation where I have to stop updating Itch AND Scratch Live, meaning I lose out on new features and stability improvements with both programs. It is hard to imagine any incredible new features coming to SL, it's great now, but there is a lot still missing from Itch, like midi control, and I'd hate to miss out on that.

The alternative is to run 2 MacBook Pros, one for Itch and one for SL2.3.3 to use for video. Not ideal.

This is my job, I want the very best and latest software for my performances.

Without ME and Serato reaching some sort of licensing agreement, my ability to use the best software on one side or another is compromised moving forward.
phatbob 10:24 AM - 14 February, 2012
Also, it's not just Rane hardware affected by such things.

I stopped using 1.9.2 the day I bought Dicers. Can't imagine playing without those now. The thought of something equally cool coming out but only compatible with 2.5 or something is a big concern for me.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 1:33 PM - 14 February, 2012
BITCH, BITCH, BITCH, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN... NOBODY is forcing you cry babies to update to 2.4 right away. If what you're using right now is working for you then stick with it until a better solution arises. I've never seen so many grown men cry like little bitches before in my life. And you're crying and complaining about a product that Serato NEVER supported anyway.

Dear Serato, I see that on the new version of one of your programs I won't be able to use a competing product that you never supported. What a shame...LOL
VJDomArmano 1:43 PM - 14 February, 2012
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I've never seen so many grown men cry like little bitches before in my life.


I am certainly not crying. I am just stating my opinion with some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. If I developed a solution and alienated a large group of my existing customers in the process, I would not consider that good business. I am stating my opinion, and hoping that Serato accounts for it.
If I don't like it, I will walk, Won't be the first time. I just think it's important to state my case and let it be heard, or I would not be a reasonable customer.
phatbob 1:49 PM - 14 February, 2012
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BITCH, BITCH, BITCH, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN... I've never seen so many grown men cry like little bitches before in my life


It's quite amusing that every counter argument seems to basically consist of calling everyone, who is asking for compatibility to be provided, a 'cry baby'.

Personally I like to think my level of discourse went beyond that when I was, oh, about 8 years old.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 2:01 PM - 14 February, 2012
Not every counter argument is calling those people "cry babies", it just gets to a point where it seems like that's how most of you guys are acting. You're asking for compatibility from the wrong company. You should be asking Inklen to make their product compatible with the new version of SSL not the other way around. Like it was said before, ME was NEVER supported by Serato so why should they hinder the advancement of their product to satisfy the few people that use an unsupported program?

It's like this, right now you use whatever version of SSL with ME and whatever hardware you currently have. It's working for you, so why are you complaining about the newer version not being compatible with what you have now. You DON'T HAVE TO update anything. If ain't broke then you don't have to attempt to fix it. If you have a 2011 car you don't run out a get a 2012 if you don't have to. USE SOME COMMON SENSE PEOPLE
phatbob 2:28 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Not every counter argument is calling those people "cry babies"


Yours was.

Every other point you've made is reasonable, but has already been countered in this thread.

NOBODY is asking Serato to go back to their old system to let ME work.

NOBODY is asking for Inklen to get the 'keys to the kingdom' for free.

What we are asking for, is Serato & Inklen to TRY and come up with some mutually profitable agreement whereby ME users, who are ALL Serato customers, can be accommodated.

And that makes us cry babies in what way, exactly?
VJ Justin Allen 2:30 PM - 14 February, 2012
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What we are asking for, is Serato & Inklen to TRY and come up with some mutually profitable agreement whereby ME users, who are ALL Serato customers, can be accommodated.


It's been stated multiple times by Serato employees that they HAVE TRIED to get together. So far it has not worked out.

Now you are saying that it's not enough that they try...anything that doesn't result in ME being integrated MUST BE Serato's fault.

Sometimes you just have to say you tried and move on from there.
phatbob 2:42 PM - 14 February, 2012
Once again we find ourselves arguing across 2 different threads.

I re-iterate, I do not have the right to get what I want.

But it is also my right as a customer to let Serato know how I feel about the situation.

Brigid herself has said she is not fully aware of the nature of discussions with Inklen, and until Serato and Inklen announce that the door to further discussions is definitely closed, I will continue to voice my opinion.

I would have to state it less often if people didn't keep jumping on threads and belittling my opinion.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 2:57 PM - 14 February, 2012
@ Phatbob - My whole thing is this... 2.4 isn't even out yet and people are complaining. How about you guys wait and see what the new version has before complaining about what it's not compatible with?

I can understand more about people being upset because the "Mixtape" feature isn't supported because is was supported on previous versions and some people spent alot of money to purchase Ableton for this feature
phatbob 3:03 PM - 14 February, 2012
Serato have stated there is nothing new in Serato Video.

It's a rewrite with Itch compatibility.


serato.com
DJ Dynamite - NJ 3:04 PM - 14 February, 2012
I see a whole bunch of people complaining about ME compatibility in the Serato Forums but when I check the Inklen forum I only see 3 threads with about maybe 50 comments. Start directing your feelings over there...LOL

www.inklen.com
www.inklen.com
www.inklen.com
damehype 3:05 PM - 14 February, 2012
The problem is you guys are not asking. You are bitching, complaining, and demanding.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 3:07 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Serato have stated there is nothing new in Serato Video.

It's a rewrite with Itch compatibility.


serato.com

Yes, you're correct. But it's still not up to Serato to force their product to be compatible with program they never supported
damehype 3:08 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Hi guys,

There has been a large amount of architectural work done for Serato Video which has given us the base to expand on now. This is the main change as well as providing ITCH support. While it doesn't seem like much now, this will allow us to make even bigger and better features and improvements to video moving forward.

Sam.


Use what works for you now until either SV is up to speed on new features or ME provides compatibility. Easy enough?
DJ Dynamite - NJ 3:18 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Use what works for you now until either SV is up to speed on new features or ME provides compatibility. Easy enough?

Someone else that gets it... it's that easy
phatbob 3:27 PM - 14 February, 2012
Same old arguments, I can't be bothered to issue the same old rebuttals. It's as if you haven't actually read this whole thread. Or you have an issue with reading comprehension.

Let me know when you've got something new to add to the conversation.
DJ Super Mario 3:38 PM - 14 February, 2012
Why don't people on complaining about this understand that ME and Scratch Live/VSL are TWO SEPARATE PRODUCTS from TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES!!! Two separate competing products to boot! Why would they want to say, "Hey guys! We make a video product called VSL, but we'd prefer you guys use someone else's called ME! Oh, and we're going to completely rewrite our product's code and make it better, but our first priority is making sure that we rewrite it while making sure we stay compatible with our competitors product who we get zero revenue from!"

That's an idiotic expectation. In order for Serato to be able to stay viable and in a position to make those products we love, they need to stick to a real business model of profit for the sake of development. Anyone who disagrees with that mindset doesn't know the first thing about business or what has enabled Serato to be the industry standard when it comes to DVS.
phatbob 3:41 PM - 14 February, 2012
That's lovely. You agree with some points already made.

Anything NEW to add to the discussion though?
DJDaveOtt 3:47 PM - 14 February, 2012
It may be time for me to explore other software options..
DJ Dynamite - NJ 3:47 PM - 14 February, 2012
You haven't added anything new to the discussion either so lets all agree to disagree and put this matter to rest
DJ Super Mario 3:48 PM - 14 February, 2012
No I didn't read every single individual post... But from what you say, it looks like there are some very thick headed individuals in here who still don't get it then. So maybe if you repeat it over and over again, for the people who are this dense and refuse to accept logic, just maybe they'll finally get it!
popnwave 3:51 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It may be time for me to explore other software options..


I don't get that, you can use any version that currently works fine with any accompanying software you use with no issues.....

This is like watching Ru Paul's drag race with all the drama queens on here sometimes.

I of course HOPE I can progress at some time past 2.3.3 and still use ME. Otherwise I'll stick where I am and enjoy my setup.
DJDaveOtt 3:54 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It may be time for me to explore other software options..


I don't get that, you can use any version that currently works fine with any accompanying software you use with no issues.....

This is like watching Ru Paul's drag race with all the drama queens on here sometimes.

I of course HOPE I can progress at some time past 2.3.3 and still use ME. Otherwise I'll stick where I am and enjoy my setup.


Yeah, cause I'm a drama queen...wow. Get a life. Check urself before you start calling names on here
VJDomArmano 3:56 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Why don't people on complaining about this understand that ME and Scratch Live/VSL are TWO SEPARATE PRODUCTS from TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES!!! Two separate competing products to boot! Why would they want to say, "Hey guys! We make a video product called VSL, but we'd prefer you guys use someone else's called ME! Oh, and we're going to completely rewrite our product's code and make it better, but our first priority is making sure that we rewrite it while making sure we stay compatible with our competitors product who we get zero revenue from!".


I am also a web professional besides being a DJ. The success of the web comes from it being open. When something built works, everyone wants in. I think it's obvious from the thread, that the Serato and Inklen customers want a solution that allows both to coexist, and history of competition says the best one will survive it.

Serato's upside to keeping ME living is much greater than the potential downside of forcing ME to its death by putting a chokehold on it, and shoving VSL down its customers throat.

I don't mind trying both side by side, and then if VSL does the job I will choose to discontinue using ME in time. Why is it that my crowd should suffer from the incompatibilty? I don't have funds to run a development Macbook for experimental use at home and a production Macbook to take to the club.
It would be too dangerous for me to upgrade on Monday, and pray I can undo it by the time Thursday rolls along and I have to try it live with a dancefloor full of people.
That is the source of my concern and frustration, Serato could be good mechanic, beyond telling us it's not going to work if we choose to upgrade.
DJ Super Mario 4:10 PM - 14 February, 2012
You can't compare the Web with Serato. It's apples and oranges. And since you're a web developer, you'll understand this comparison... (I'm a network engineer by day.)

By your rationale, you're saying that asp or active x pages should work on any server platform, whether it's Apache, Tomcat, IIS, Mosaic, etc., or even on any browser, simply because the person on the side should be able to view it without any issues no matter what. That's asinine... Why aren't people bitching to the ME developers to make it a standalone product if it's so great instead of depending on Serato for a platform to run on top of???
DJ Dynamite - NJ 4:17 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Serato's upside to keeping ME living is much greater than the potential downside of forcing ME to its death by putting a chokehold on it, and shoving VSL down its customers throat.

How can you say they're "Shoving VSL down its customers throat"?
VSL is Serato's video product. It's the product that was designed to use with SSL. ME is NOT supported and NEVER has been. People that purchased ME should've payed attention to this from the start. If you purchase a product that isn't officially supported there's a chance this it won't work with future versions of the master software

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Why is it that my crowd should suffer from the incompatibilty?

You're crowd doesn't have to suffer. What you are using now works so there's no need for you to rush to upgrade
DJ Dynamite - NJ 4:18 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Why aren't people bitching to the ME developers to make it a standalone product if it's so great instead of depending on Serato for a platform to run on top of???

THIS
DJ Super Mario 4:19 PM - 14 February, 2012
^^^THIS! Proves my point as to how dense people are... Along with so many feeling entitlement...
phatbob 4:27 PM - 14 February, 2012
Read all the posts before you dare to call other people dense.
Millz 4:30 PM - 14 February, 2012
I would suggest some of you do some research before posting in a public DJ forum :)
DJ Super Mario 4:37 PM - 14 February, 2012
Don't need to read all the posts... You can't argue that some people on here are DENSE! if people are still complaining while knowing or being told repeatedly that Scratch Live and ME have no official affiliation, then those people are dense and that's irrefutable. That's like saying that Microsoft has to write every new version of Windows so that it's compatible with all of the software packages that are out at the time of code rewrite. If that kind of expectation doesn't come from the thick headed, then I don't know what does.
VJDomArmano 4:40 PM - 14 February, 2012
What up Jack? long time no see.. hope all is well!
VJDomArmano 4:45 PM - 14 February, 2012
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You can't compare the Web with Serato. It's apples and oranges. And since you're a web developer, you'll understand this comparison... (I'm a network engineer by day.)

Apologies for not being clear, I am not a web developer, I am a web strtegy professional. AnYWAY I understand and see your point.
I was thinking along the lines of people on the web crowding to what works. ie MySpace was fine everyone used it. Then facebook did it better, and eventually MySpace was pretty much obsoleted.
IE and Netscape... you could argue Microsoft PUSHED it out,
Anyway, my point is if VSL is going to be the answer, I will gladly switch when the time is right. Not when support for Serato 2.3.3 runs out. :)

PS I have had enough of this conversation. I feel all my points are valid, no one on this board is dense, and we all have, love and use those tools that make us who we are..
VJDomArmano 4:46 PM - 14 February, 2012
CORRCTION: PS I have had enough of this conversation. I feel all my points are valid, no one on this board is dense, and we all have, love for and use those tools that make us who we are..
DJBIGWIZ 4:54 PM - 14 February, 2012
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no one on this board is dense,

well, you obviously didn't read ALL the posts now did you?

haha

just a joke people. Now both sides back to arguing the same points repeatedly and calling the other a crying fan boy. GO!
DJ Dynamite - NJ 4:55 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Now both sides back to arguing the same points repeatedly and calling the other a crying fan boy. GO!

LOL
Millz 5:13 PM - 14 February, 2012
Dom! Good to hear from you man, remember this? Me you and Hazel from WMC years back


www.myspace.com

Good times
Millz 5:23 PM - 14 February, 2012
Yep I just shot out a myspace link! :P
Rebelguy 5:44 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Dom! Good to hear from you man, remember this? Me you and Hazel from WMC years back


www.myspace.com

Good times


That is OG. I remember WMC from the 90s. Good times.
Deejaysk 7:25 PM - 14 February, 2012
Guys... my neighbor has this power driller that he would rent me out, but if i wait few years I can make my own power driller that can be better than his.

I can now...
1. rent out from him and do my job great till I have make my own power driller
2. Use my less power full driller till I make a better power driller?

What should I do?
djdannyd 7:33 PM - 14 February, 2012
What can you do? Post it in the off topic forum! This is the Djing discussion. :p
DJ Unique 7:34 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Guys... my neighbor has this power driller that he would rent me out, but if i wait few years I can make my own power driller that can be better than his.

I can now...
1. rent out from him and do my job great till I have make my own power driller
2. Use my less power full driller till I make a better power driller?

What should I do?

Use both.
damehype 7:43 PM - 14 February, 2012
It boils down to this.... Keep SSL code the same so a small group of users can continue to use ME (not your product), or change things so a larger group of users, Itch users (your product), can finally access something they've been bitching and complaining about for 2+ years. Which do you think Serato would choose?
VJ Justin Allen 7:44 PM - 14 February, 2012
Hire a contractor and let him use his own drill?
Rebelguy 7:49 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It boils down to this.... Keep SSL code the same so a small group of users can continue to use ME (not your product), or change things so a larger group of users, Itch users (your product), can finally access something they've been bitching and complaining about for 2+ years. Which do you think Serato would choose?


Depends what you consider a small group? What is ME users are in the thousands? I know of at least 20 DJs on it.
Rebelguy 7:50 PM - 14 February, 2012
Should have been "What if"
phatbob 8:02 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It boils down to this.... Keep SSL code the same...


Who has asked for that?
VJ Justin Allen 8:02 PM - 14 February, 2012
You do understand that there is a huge difference between "at least 20" and "thousands"

Now compare all of the potential ME users against all of the Itch users. My bet is that Itch users come out on top.
DJ Unique 8:07 PM - 14 February, 2012
I wonder how many DJs that use ME are actually going to need to update to 2.4 as soon as it's available. Most DJs probably don't update their software until they absolutely have to.
DJBIGWIZ 8:15 PM - 14 February, 2012
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I can now...
1. rent out from him and do my job great till I have make my own power driller
2. Use my less power full driller till I make a better power driller?

What should I do?

sorry, we're too busy arguing about ME vs VSL/SV right now but good luck with your job.
oh, and remember... "measure twice, cut once"!
Deejaysk 8:15 PM - 14 February, 2012
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I wonder how many DJs that use ME are actually going to need to update to 2.4 as soon as it's available. Most DJs probably don't update their software until they absolutely have to.


They are just upset that 2.4 users will be missing out something good. Also they are the reason VSL will be better than ME, if serato cares. When it happens please thanks these guys who are perfectly fine with using what they currently have without doing any upgrade. Rane will just miss out these few VJ who may or may not buy new hardware until they are happy with it
the_black_one 8:19 PM - 14 February, 2012
Wiz.... not hatting but to you rane and serato cant do wrong. That is impossible nothing is perfect and i wish you would also share your negative points.
Deejaysk 8:22 PM - 14 February, 2012
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sorry, we're too busy arguing about ME vs VSL/SV right now but good luck with your job.
oh, and remember... "measure twice, cut once"!


I know you are busy arguing! Not sure how you get that tech mate logo with your professional attitude. Does he represent Serato or Rane? Is he a bouncer?
phatbob 8:25 PM - 14 February, 2012
To be fair I think BigWiz is actually doing us all a service by trying to keep the tone light and stopping this thread being a total slanging fest.

I still don't agree with his position, of course. ;-)
tomatoslice 8:32 PM - 14 February, 2012
not to get off subject but i see comments like this all the time.
there needs to be a Public Service Announcement.

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Also, it's not just Rane hardware affected by such things.

I stopped using 1.9.2 the day I bought Dicers. Can't imagine playing without those now. The thought of something equally cool coming out but only compatible with 2.5 or something is a big concern for me.



you do NOT need 2+ to use the dicers.
ANY version, especially 192, that has midi capability works with the dicers.
192 WORKS with dicers.
damehype 8:34 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It boils down to this.... Keep SSL code the same...


Who has asked for that?


Apparently, that's what it would've taken to keep ME compatibility at this time.
Deejaysk 8:35 PM - 14 February, 2012
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MIDI Mapping
DJs can only re-map controls on the Rane Sixty-One & Sixty-Two that don't have a dedicated Scratch Live function.
This appears to me I need upgrade my existing hardware if I would like to use latest version of SL. I wish there is a work around.

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Serato Video
Scratch Live 2.4 will only support Serato Video, not Video-SL. Serato Video is a free upgrade for existing Video-SL customers.

We've rewritten the architecture that Video works on, and as a result, Serato's Video-SL and unsupported third party applications like Inklen's Mix Emergency are no longer compatible.
I have bought VSL and I noticed ME has some features that I will not be able to use if I have to upgrade to new SL. How soon do you think VSL can up with better features?

Live Feed
There is no Live Feed feature for the Rane Sixty-One & Sixty-Two, but it is still available for all previously supported Rane hardware.

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Mixtape
The Mixtape feature of The Bridge (.als recording) is unsupported across all hardware in Scratch Live 2.4. We can't really say too much more about it, but we're working on it. We'll have an update on this for you soon.

I have spent $700 ableton and $300 on AKAI APC40 so I could use bridge and .als feature. What are my other options?
damehype 8:43 PM - 14 February, 2012
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We'll have an update on this for you soon.


Your option is to wait until they make an announcement with updates on this situation.
Rebelguy 8:51 PM - 14 February, 2012
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You do understand that there is a huge difference between "at least 20" and "thousands"

Now compare all of the potential ME users against all of the Itch users. My bet is that Itch users come out on top.


Justin, first off you can quit trying to get ass-kissing points from Serato with your comments. #1 they aren't that great and #2 you don't get to redeem them for anything.

Yes I understand there is a difference. I was making the point that I know of at least 20 myself. Now ask other ME users how many they know and we will see things in a bit better light. I would say a majority of the top Video DJs are on it. I would also say that a majority of the people at the VDJ conference use it as well.
damehype 9:18 PM - 14 February, 2012
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It boils down to this.... Keep SSL code the same so a small group of users can continue to use ME (not your product), or change things so a larger group of users, Itch users (your product), can finally access something they've been bitching and complaining about for 2+ years. Which do you think Serato would choose?


Depends what you consider a small group? What is ME users are in the thousands? I know of at least 20 DJs on it.


RG, by small group I mean... what is the percentage of ME users within the total SSL user base ?
damehype 9:20 PM - 14 February, 2012
I'm sure there are thousands of Serato users, but I doubt there are thousands of ME users considering the percentage of Video DJs are small. And by users, I'm not referring to the casual video user.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 9:25 PM - 14 February, 2012
This thread has gotten ridiculous...
From now on please direct your concerns about ME not working with SSL 2.4 here > www.inklen.com

because all that's happening now is pointless bickering and pretty much cdn.hometheaterforum.com
VJ Justin Allen 9:27 PM - 14 February, 2012
RebelGuy

I'm confused...how am I trying to get "ass-kissing points" By saying the the number of ME users is small, that VJ users are small, and that straight audio only users are much larger.

That's just a pretty simple statement of fact.

The bottom line is this if there was a financial incentive for Serato to deal with ME then it would have happened. Regardless of personal issues.
Brigid 9:30 PM - 14 February, 2012
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Please don't attack each other personally over it. You might disagree with the person, which is fine, but no need to pick fights.
Dj Nyce 9:51 PM - 14 February, 2012
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This thread has gotten ridiculous...
From now on please direct your concerns about ME not working with SSL 2.4 here > www.inklen.com

because all that's happening now is pointless bickering and pretty much cdn.hometheaterforum.com


no
phatbob 10:03 PM - 14 February, 2012
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This thread has gotten ridiculous...
From now on please direct your concerns about ME not working with SSL 2.4 here > www.inklen.com

because all that's happening now is pointless bickering and pretty much cdn.hometheaterforum.com


So speaks somebody who still has no actual grasp of the situation. All the pointless bickering of the last day has been mostly led by yourself, too. So you've got some cheek.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 10:16 PM - 14 February, 2012
Yup, and I'm done bickering. I'm removing myself from the situation and I'll just be a spectator from now on. This thread will now be use purely for my entertainment lol
Rebelguy 11:37 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Please don't attack each other personally over it. You might disagree with the person, which is fine, but no need to pick fights.


Very true. I will tune out the noise from now on when on the forums.
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:45 PM - 14 February, 2012
61 and 62 shipping now, so in a few days these issues will matter a lot more for some people
DJ Unique 11:46 PM - 14 February, 2012
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61 and 62 shipping now, so in a few days these issues will matter a lot more for some people

Yeah.
To the ME users that purchased one of these mixers.
I held on to my 57SL.
DJ Super Mario 11:52 PM - 14 February, 2012
Yeah, I'll be gladly selling my 57SL to someone who needs it for ME, so I can get my 62. Any takers? :)
phatbob 11:53 PM - 14 February, 2012
So we'll be seeing 2.4 in a few days then?

And, logically, Serato Video too? Has to be. It's one thing to cut off ME, but quite another thing to ship a mixer that VSL users can't play with at all...

This is about to get interesting, I think.
Deejaysk 11:55 PM - 14 February, 2012
Brigid
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Please don't attack each other personally over it. You might disagree with the person, which is fine, but no need to pick fights.

We were just kidding with you guys to see your reaction! Happy V-day!
trnsprtr 11:56 PM - 14 February, 2012
I'm seriously torn about this. I love the upgrades made with the 62. So much so that I went on styleflip and bought a skin for the one I was getting. But I also use Mixtape at least a few days every week. The part that hurts the most is I only bought Ableton four months ago, because I wasnt sure if I'd use it that much. I didn't want to waste $500.00. If I had known, I would have held off and used that money toward the 62. I do this as a hobby, I make very little money from it, so justifying these purchases is hard for me. That mixer was a no brainer, though. I was gonna spend that money no matter what. I'm just hoping that everyone that is planning on upgrading is informed well enough. I'd hate to be that person who gets a tax refund and spends it on a mixer and Ableton with Mittape in mind.
damehype 12:06 AM - 15 February, 2012
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I'm seriously torn about this. I love the upgrades made with the 62. So much so that I went on styleflip and bought a skin for the one I was getting. But I also use Mixtape at least a few days every week. The part that hurts the most is I only bought Ableton four months ago, because I wasnt sure if I'd use it that much. I didn't want to waste $500.00. If I had known, I would have held off and used that money toward the 62. I do this as a hobby, I make very little money from it, so justifying these purchases is hard for me. That mixer was a no brainer, though. I was gonna spend that money no matter what. I'm just hoping that everyone that is planning on upgrading is informed well enough. I'd hate to be that person who gets a tax refund and spends it on a mixer and Ableton with Mittape in mind.


This
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Mixtape
The Mixtape feature of The Bridge (.als recording) is unsupported across all hardware in Scratch Live 2.4. We can't really say too much more about it, but we're working on it. We'll have an update on this for you soon.
DJ Tapout 1:20 AM - 15 February, 2012
Just seen this

Rane Sixty-One and Sixty-Two shipping NOW.