I hear what your saying. I started on TT's back in the day and now I am all about MIDI controllers.For the exact reason you stated (Nobody cares what you are using to DJ). So why not use something light, and that can be setup in 30 seconds versus braking your back, climbing steps and messing with wires and SL box etc..
People don't care about how good you are. It's who is cheaper (sad but true) When a bride and groom call you the 1st or 2nd question is always how much. They don't ask what do you offer that the competition doesn't. That' is the state of the DJ game today especially in NY.
I think it's great that you love the TT's that much to carry them around. To me it isn't worth the effort or time to do it.

I love the sentiment and I agree to an extent, but you know as well as I that this thread is going to attract nothing but the controller using DJ trying to defend their controllerism. I partially disagree because I already use the Denon HC1000S along with my turntables and it is a MIDI controller. I think what separates me from a controllerist is the fact that I incorporate it into my set along with my turntables. I also have to disagree because I would be willing to use a controller like the NS6 or NS7 for weddings and other similar events. I wouldn't use them at the club or a big party and definitely not in the studio, but I do believe that there is a time and a place for a good controller.

I am a bit confused about your standing here..

Are you using ssl ? if so then you're already bowing down to technology, if you're not and just using vinyl, then more power to you :)

We just can't get all the songs we require these day's purely on vinyl though, for all our requirements.

I have done "old school" House gigs with music from the early 90's and took my turtables, mixer and 2 boxes of records and I tell you what, I feel like a kid at Christmas when I am doing those gigs but they rarely come up.

@ djcruz99, that is exactly why I care, because no one else cares. They don't care, because they don't know. The DJ and his gear is usually hidden behind some half wall and no ones see what he is doing. When people are able to see, they actually do care and they love to watch. But we've let clubs dictate the way a DJ booth should be set up and have accepted it. Especially in NY, where every club tries to built the smallest booth possible and everyone is cool with it and is usually chomping at someones nuts trying to gig there. I believe in the art and will take time and effort. Good luck to you.

@ Logistcalstyle, I also use an HC1000s to control transitions and such, but my main tool/equipment is the turntable.

@ Maboza Ritchie, Yes I use SSL, actually 100% of my gigs are video Gigs. I'm not against technology, I'm all for it. But, I'm also for preserving the art of DJing with a Turntable and SSL allows me to do that.

I applaud your passion for the turntable then :)

I'm all for turntables. Am I capable of using anything else besides a turntable? Yes. But, I prefer not to. Setting up two turntables to a mixer isn't really that much of a hassle. SSL already got rid of the biggest obstacle which was carrying tons of heavy vinyl. If there isn't much room to work with or I just don't feel like bringing two turntables to my gig, I just bring one and use instant doubles.

As a matter of fact, there are many cats in here who have two turntables and a mixer all connected already and ready to go inside a coffin. I think that's way to heavy to carry and transport, but it can be done. I also know of someone who just had a custom made "coffin" for a 57 and a turntable. Very easy to set up as well. I think for a lot of people it comes down to convenience more than anything. For me, there is no better "controller" than a turntable.... yet.

nm

Turntables forever!

turntables for life!

I have a reoccurring nightmare where I show up to a gig, and all they have are cdjs or some sort of controller.... I'd be truly fucked, as I have never played on anything else but TTs

Niro - well said. i agree.

however, i think djs can play a great sets on any control surface and there is no doubt skill in all of it. but to me, the art of djing always involves Tech1200s.

I use both type's of setups and I just feel better when I use my 1200's.I know alot of people dont care but I do.

+1

I think I have been using 1200's for at least 25 years. I have a VCI-300 and Itch - hasn't left the House yet. Just starting using SSL & ME to spin video.



I actually need to learn how to spin on CDJs so I can STEP BACKWARDS and do more guest spots with burned CDs and play House Music with other DJs in my town.

I still SMH at Vinyl purists who look down on DJs who use computers. They will run up to a CDJ with the quickness and play a burned CD but frown on using a Mac and control vinyl. I just don't understand.

Technics M5Gggggggggggggg's!!

Because of the flutter of the TT's i feel like there is 'life' in my mixes. It's just like producing, you make a nice drumroll, and you add 'swing' to it, so there's more life in the music, it swings. With a midi controller you can match the beats exactly, i think the mixes sound too static then.

Another pro for turntables, is that i can 'touch' the music on the record. I can 'grab' a word and scratch that back 'n forward. I have much love for the Technics. If you threat them with respect, you can become one with them. If you're being rude to them, they will punish you with a needle skip or trainwreck your mix.

Eff it, i even talk to them. MK2 are my prefered decks.

M3D's here,
TT's for life especially if you actually cut/scratch/juggle! (still working on the 3rd one lol)

Also, i feel more DJ behind turntables. CDJ's look like toys to me, with all their flashy lights and plastic parts.

To me, this is a CDJ user:
t2.ftcdn.net

And this is a turntable user:
www.dcept.com

Its the hands on feeling that you get, nothing comes close. I only recently got a pair of cdjs, learning them was like a nice new toy, then I lost interest, then back to the 1200's. I even got another pair of 12's that I don't use but I'll never sell them!!!

Im 100% turntables, i dont care how heavy or inconvienient they are, there is LIFE in putting your hand ont he acutual music and controlling it, its more fun having to keep up with all the ins and outs of the setup and having to be concerned about wow and flutter because those develop SKILL. Not to mention the mathamatical certinty that a larger circle = greater control.

For anyone saying the crowd dosent care, THEY SHOULDNT, they also dont care if you get paid at tthe end of the night or make it home safely, it dosent mean that shouldnt be important to YOU. Ive said it before and ill say it again, its not the job of people outside the culture to worry about preserving that cultures values and its not the job of customers to make sure busniessess people are successful. Less equipment, cheaper equipment, less barrier of entry = less demand, more supply and less pay. A cultrue cannot stand if its letting the people with the least time in it dictate its direction.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU JUST DONT RELY ON THAT AS A CRUTCH. It dosent hurt to learn how to use new gear and it ISNT a bad thing to utilize new tech to ADVANCE the art. People get my stance confused on here, im not against controllers, im against people who rely on them because they dont want to learn to really be a DJ and im against people who rely on this tech to be lazy. Use whatever you feel gives you the tools you need to take your craft to the NEXT level. Use whatever you want but be sure to put in the work to master it and by master it i dont mean learn how to load 1 song let it play then load another song and let it sync it for you, i mean learn your tool in and out and find a way to blow people minds with it. FInd a way to show people that being a REAL DJ ISNT SOMETHING ANYONE CAN JUST DO and show people THERES A REASON TO PAY US IN LIGITAMATE CURRENCY because we put in real work to do amasing things.

2 Turntables Every Gig... Keep hope alive... Using the left hand is becoming a forgotten art.. Learn to use both.. It is part of the craft.. otherwise you are selling yourself short.

Love this thread, i use tt's and a mixer in a coffin case, all wired and set to go, i can set it up in 30 seconds, yeah its kinda heavy but i got a real lightweight fold up trolley for it. On mobile gigs i make sure they are visable and i get nothing but great comments.

I hate using CD'js. Too plastic and cheap feeling.

1210mk5's and that wont change. i added the denon 1000s which is nice and always drool over the shiny toys but never go much farther than that cause i really dont need or can justify the expense.

my kind of thread!

I have said this many times to people who ask. The turntable keeps me grounded to the roots of DJing. For me they are an anchor point. One where I can feel comfortable taking technology to limits that I never imagined.

I spin videos, use midi, FX, etc...but unless there is Technics 1200 under my hand it doesn't feel right.

I made a living bringing crates to the club. I adapted to CDJs and made a living bringing books of CDs and a single coffin. That allowed me to do things that I couldn't with vinyl and I embraced it. Once I was turned on to a DVS I adapted once again. However it seemed like more of an obstacle until I came across the 1200/57/SSL combo. Then everything clicked. The best of all worlds.

Now....for my Technics diehards.

Nothing beats the feeling of spinning on tables that I customized or restored myself. That is the ultimate. It's like forging my own sword. One of the decks I use on a nightly basis I bought for parts and brought back to life.

as a bonus, in the last month I've had Z-Trip and RJD2 use those same exact decks and they both made a comment about "Nice Technics" as I was packing them up after the show. These guys see different 1200s every night all over the world, and they both took the effort to notice the details and make a comment.

Incidentally, both of those guys blew my mind with what they can do with the tables. I'm no slouch but it's nice to watch someone use the same tools as you and just totally amaze you with skill. It was like watching Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen shred on the guitar I built in my garage.

Sk8er for life, you saw the ramps in my garage. Turntables is my personal choice and I will choose them everytime.

I wonder if it's when you started though. I started dj'ing before cdj's. So to me dj's just use turntables, thats what you do. You ever see a DMC battle with cdj's?

I never thought of it this way but you have a point. Coming from skateboarding we could always call out BS products. I believe your analogy applies to DJing to an extent...

Unlike skateboarding, there are now several ways to DJ, and we are at a time where we get to decide what works for us instead of having a standard way of DJing. Whatever works for you is your standard and your opinion is only your opinion.

Personally, I will always use turntables. I love the craft and could care less what DJTraktertools.com says is the hottest new controller around. I push buttons when I play PS3 :D

lol - good analogy... i had to quit skateboarding to keep pursuing music instead (afraid of breaking an arm/wrist) but i'll still drop in and slash a little coping every now and then :)

So true. Ever since I customised my Technics I have a whole new love for them. I now use them every day regardless of if I have a gig or not. I think it's like when a Jedi builds his own lightsaber.

Amen to all that have posted.

I use the skateboarding analogy because that is what I do and yes I think it will depend on when you started DJing and what you commonly saw used. This is why it is up to us as DJ's that want continue the art of DJing with a Turntable. Instead of people seeing controllers when someone is DJing, they see turntables and a mixer. The 1200 is a standard for a reason, it's iconic and a majority of the controllers coming out are based on it, Round platter, sliding pitch control, start stop...etc.

Like I said, I don't hate on CDJ's, I've seen some people play on them like an instrument.

I fell in love with DJing during the Turntablism period. It wasn't because of Hip Hop, House or any certain genre, but what was being done on the Turntables. I would rather see someone manually echo with a turntable and mixer any day, than see some push an echo button.

Sorry for the long reply, but I've been realizing some things about life and culture. We strive for convenience, but sometimes we loose some of our soul in exchange. It's really hard for one person to push down a wall, but if we did it as a collective.

Similar to any other instrument, the guitar, drum, trumpet... The turntable shouldn't be an instrument of the past, but of the present and future and honestly will be up to us to make keep it that way. Support new technology to help it, not ones that make it irrelevant, because that's what will happen to the art of DJing also. I'm not a vinyl purist, I'm a Turntable purist.

Niros

Saying carrying turntables is way too heavy is such a cop out. You're getting paid loads of money to play songs. Is it really that hard to carry 100 pounds worth of stuff in and out of a building once? Sheesh you controller guys are such babies. An ipod is lighter than a controller why dont you just download a dj program and use that so you dont have to carry your heavy controller all the way in and out of the clubs.

Some of my buddies do landscape and they carry shit way heavier than turntables, not once or twice but all day in the hot sun..and make less than 1/4 of what we make hourly. For how much we get paid you really can't be bothered to carry heavy equipment for all of 10 minutes. Give me a break. Guess this is where our dj culture is going.

Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night


Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on that sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Not just the culture but the busniess, its funney to see someone in one thread say, technology is great i dont have to carry crates, i dont have to carry my coffin, i setup in 1 minute, i pay a quarter of what i used to pay for records for mp3 subscriptions, my equipment keeps the tempo for me, i dont have to mark bpms on records anymore


Then in the very next thread go, i have no idea why wages are dropping its hard to compete i wont leave my house for under $500 and noone will pay me that they all want to offer me $50 and 5 cherries or olives from the bar (my choice of which either or).

I remember carrying not only 2 12s and a mixer but actual crates of records, now that shit is heavy. I'd never what to go back to that but with Scratch Live I can still keep it REAL with turntables. New jacks don't realize how lucky we are to be able to carry an entire music collection on a laptop. At least show some pride in what you do. Djing is an art, pushing buttons is just lazy.

+1, honeslty its the subtle nuances of doing it by hand that create the soul to your music, if 2 people are just pushing buttons theyll both sound identical

+1!

Tru instant doubles fucked my left hand up. I'm using it again tho and it feels amazing

Oh yea so here is my turntable story. I started with a controller and program called torq in 2005. I come from a production background so the controller fit with everything else in my studio. I got it no expecting to be a Dj just a new toy to play around with in the studio.

Fast forward a few yrs and I'm rocking all vinyl I feel In love with spinning music so turntables just felt like the right choice haven't used a controller since. TTs for life I can't go back to a controller for gig use I just can't see me going out like that

Just like no one cares what you are using, the same way i don't care what people think'of me rollin with my turntables. I will rock the party just as good as someone using a controller and maybe even better. And trust me, no one cares what you use but they do hear the difference. I have had people come up to me after and during the gig wanting to see my turntables and they are so amazed and fascinated. I use controllers, dual cd players and CDJ and the best experience I have is playing on my turntables. I feel more in control with turntable.

This is the best statement so far:

has anyone noticed in pretty much every commerical, television show or motion picture when they show a dj usually they are rocking a set of turntables...not until recently in a few music videos (mainly miami rappers) i saw djs with cdjs....my point is...even ritz felt the turntable was still relevant to put in a commerical in 2010...pretty much when ppl think dj they envision a person standing over some turntables...and now with a laptop in front of them...they dont know what it does, or why but its there and it usually has this glowing apple on it lol

djvtyme85 is correct. I was going to mentioned that earlier and got sidetracked. So, essentially, people do notice what you're on because when they see a DJ in commercials, he ain't using a MIDI controller. lol

nm

and having turntables after a gig i never end up going home alone, i take my technics turntables with me (wink wink*) ok that was stupid............

Niros, I like the old school one-sided tail skateboards like the old Hosoi, Powell-Peralta & Magnusson boards. Not really down with the new school 2-sided tail skateboards.

And OJ's or Sims Rockets for wheels.

SK8 or Die!

when you see a DJ in commercials, he's typically a paid actor.

Music is music is music. Any way you get from point A (no music) to point B (music) is acceptable.

Turntables forever..?

I think there is a place for technology and controllers though.
What kinda pisses me off is people who think, you're not a real dj if you don't have decks..wtf ?

I have done my time and payed my dues with regards to using decks, jeez I was using them before
CD players came out. So if I go into a club and play on CDJ's or use a controller, i'm not a "real dj" ?
fuck that.

If some kid goes out and get's himself a set of 1210's and does a gig, suddenly he's a "real dj"
as he shows off his decks like some kind of "badge of honour" that gives him this "god given right"
to shoot down people who don't have them.

Most of these "dj's" ( I use the term loosely) will think, yeah I'm not a great mixer and can't scratch
...but hey, I have a set of decks, so that makes up for it..yeah, you keep telling yourself that,
"dj delusional".

I can just see some people going into a gig with 2 decks a laptop and think they're cool, then a guy goes in with just the laptop, only difference between them both is, he doesn't have 2 decks to controll the laptop with and suddenly he's a dick and killing the scene.
You must be pretty insecure as a dj if you feel threatened by someone with a laptop lol.

So then if I go into a gig one night with just a laptop (not that I would personaly) I lose 25 years of time put in on decks overnight ? well screw that narrow mindedness.

I have got the V7's now and my decks but it's "my choice" to move forward, I still love the technics
and always will but the V7's are working well for me, I dj with them like they are turntables
and that is why I got them,so I can still go out to work with what "I believe" to be the next best thing to a deck.

I also don't need to worry about needles jumping when someone bumps them, or people jumping on a floor..
bonus :)

Your not a real DJ if can't use turntables end of story anything else is some variant but don't call it DJing. I will never change my opinion no matter how dope someone is on a controller I banged on drum pads for years making dope tunes that doesn't make me a drummer

LOL so I was a DMC mixing champion 2 years running, so I guess i'm not a real dj in your eye's for using V7's..no that is funny lol

Using turntables ? that needs to be defined cause just about anyone after a few hours can do a basic mix on turntables, does that make them a real dj ?

A real dj to me (if there even is such a thing as a "real dj")
is someone who can manipulate a turntable to it's full potential AND read his crowd in a club and keep people entertained.

This term "real dj" is a croc of shit, it's thrown about by people who think, because they have a set of decks, they're part of some elite group lol.

What your missing here is if someone shows up and is using 2 decks you can tell his skill level so you can judge if hes a real DJ or not, if he cant beatmatach and is trainwrecking every mix you know he sucks and hes new, with controllers pretty much everythings automated so you wont know if dudes been spinning for a week or a decade because bother are gonna sound the same.




You are killing hte scene because if your just using a laptop then pretty much anyone in the crowd can do what your doing, it adds to the everyones a DJ mentality going on today





So your admitting the guy with the laptop dosent possess the same skills a turntable guy has right??




Yes this is true you wasted 25 years of developing a skill your no longer using






that dosent even make sense, he clearly said "IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO USE TURNTABLES YOUR NOT A DJ"..if your a 2 year running DMC mixing champ you know how to use turntables




I now very few if any people who can be handed 2 pieces of vinal and accomplish a basic mix with 2 hours to learn.



very true, and typically people who whine about it are the ones wishin they were in that group lol

and your point is caller ?



With regards to this one, is this a personal dig at me or just a general assumption ?
cause if it is a personal dig, i'd like to see your CV :)

This pretty much covers aspects of your previous comment.

If I go into a gig after someone who has been using SSL and I have V7's or NS7, it seems I may
almost get this, 'look down their noses at me' because i'm using a controller lol, it's this pretentious attitude I can't stand lol.

You don't see guy's like Jeff or any of the other big names running about on forums preaching this
"turntable ideology" that some people seem to have, they just get on with it.

The only real difference with a TT now And the NS7 or V7 or any other controller that uses a platter is that the TT has a tone arm and that is it..it still controls music from an external source (CD internally),
so all you're basing this argument on, is really from a visual aspect and that is what makes you pretentious lol.

I think I have covered my view well enough so the bottom line is,

I am confident in my ability as a dj to go into any envioroment and to not feel threatened by technology or "lame dj's", so if you or anyone else is, then that is your problem that you will have to deal with i'm affraid. The fact lots of people here are moaning about it, just shows how insecure you really are lol.

Fuck you very much :).

Theres definatley a stench of insecutirty in here

lol you keep telling yourself that. I am not the one jumping about on different threads bitching about autosync and laptops. Anyone with half a brain can make up their own minds :)

BTW..

Maybe you should organize a worldwide mass cull of laptop dj's and controller dj's here,
just head out with ski masks and shoot them all after their gigs, so they don't threaten your jobs lol

no your the one in the I love turntables thread explaining why its ok to use controllers lol

I can embrace both, it really doesn't bother me :)
your points are futile..so on that happy note, I shall bid you fairwell in this thread :)

jay AND jane huh, well whatever floats your boat

I was close enough. I should have left out the "nothing but" part since there are a lot of Turntable lover's in this thread as well.

Cant afford to keep it real. Techs are expensive these days!

I <3 TT's

Tru Love

LOL
Dude, I'm in a slight disagreement to you here but just for personal reasons. I do respect your opinion however as you've achieved much more than me (and the majority here), I also know you better and I know how helpful you can be.

You know the game though, most of them are full of shyt lol :)

And your point is? lmao!!!!!!

Of course he may be an actor... but the point is they're using turntables in commercials vs midi controllers. Btw, this is accounts for commercials where they ONLY show the turntable and or needle on the record with no actual DJ in sight.

ive seen plenty of movies where they use cdjs....especially in kids movies ive noticed (tween)

This is true.... I said MIDI controllers though. lol

i have started on midi and i said for myself: what is this crap??? make it right or quit!
then i bought my first 3 technics turntables and i still like them.
after buying serato i have no single reason to go for midi in the future

is tt heavy? is it sensitive for vibration? at least i know my work is also heavy and precious and i will try to make the best of me instead of pushing automix buttons or any substitutes

The thread is getting sidetracked a little. This thread is for supporting the Art of DJing with a Turntable. The term DJ, being a real DJ is an opinion. Because a DJ is someone who plays music and doesn't have to be good or bad, mix or not mix. I'm talking about preserving and keeping current a current art form that is important to our DJ culture.

Yes Jazzy Jeff and other famous DJ's aren't on here preaching about Turntables, but look at what they use. Like someone pointed out above, the turntable is a standard and won't hide the fact if you have skills or not, but a controller will. Neither one will make you a DJ, but I would prefer to watch the DJ using Turntables. Similar to watching someone paint with a brush or use photoshop, drum pad to a real drum.

This thread is about DJing with Turntables and all the people who believe in it and want to keep it going.

1210s here -

and wants to upgrade to m5g - craigslist sellers, post em up!

Well said n00b, stick at it :)

Drumming has been around wayyyy longer than djing. It's much harder to carry a full drum setup to a gig than a couple turntables and a mixer. What would you think if the drummer at the show you went to was sitting in a chair with a midi in front of them drumming away on plastic pads.

And every drummer I've seen play with a DJ, is playing on real drums.

cough cue the drum machine\MPC live performance comments cough cough

this was entertaining...gave me a great read after a hard day at work. my honest opinion is if you feel the need to defend what you use...*cough, cough* self-conscience lol

nah but really i feel this subject will always be split discussion...we are like democrats and the gop when it comes to turntables vs cdjs (or midi controllers)

i wanna say tt users are Dems and cdj users are Republicans

or maybe that should be the other way around...either way i like my turntables, notice i reframe from saying 'technics' although i own 4 pair...why? b/c then we are talking about whole other debate...about "your not a real dj if you dont use techs" or then we can break into serato vs tracktor...and so on and so on

djs are like grummy old republicans when i think about it...if it aint the "DJ standard" we aren't for it your "Not a DJ" or "Not an American" your a "DJ terrorist" with Midi Weapons of mass destruction"

But if this is the case and the argument is Turntable pride I guess I am like the Bill O'Riley of it all b/c i'll put a bad spin on anything that doesn't live up to my standards...sorry Turntables & Mixer that's me all day everyday....lol "FLASHING MY BADGES OF APPROVAL" aint they shiny ;-)

Not sure if I'm reading your post wrong, but I'm not sure I understand what you are saying

And here was me thinking all this time that it meant, Disc Jockey :)
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Does that tape under the tone arm say -"1 record at a time"?????

I'm jus saying that you need to know how to use tables. You need to know your roots in spinning records. It is very important that everyone develop skills on tables then you can incorporate other controllers and more technology with your routines. I don't care what genre of music you spin you should learn how cut you should learn how juggle you should learn proper transitioning and phrasing and you should learn it on tables. Then you can take your skills and incorporate it with all the technology

my opinion: disk jockey use vinyls and can mix. mixing is the place where everybody is different, somebody just backspinning or cutting or scratching to mix between songs, personally i make long blends like 2-3minutes as i'm an edm dj and sometimes i'm also spinning from three

in my eyes guys spinning on turntables has bigger respect than the usual microwaves

SPINNING DOTS ONE THE TABLES ARE COOLER THAN CHRISTMAS TREE IN BEFORE YOU

anyway a proper modern dj should be able to spin from any gear available on the market
i can! but what about the selfish metropol guys whose are neglecting vilage people, but still using a "ground breaking"(mean TRAKTOR) machine to make them cool ---thats the biggest shit ever i think

Ill always use turntables. I was having a conversation with a DJ last night. We both agreed, nothing beats the high of using vinyl/turntables.



I've done decent with whatever I've gotten my hands on so far... Except that damn denon CDJ at guitar center. I couldn't even figure out how to change the Effing track!

i will drag my tables across glass with bare feet if i have to turntables for life!!!

lls +1

What does this mean??

saw a dj last night using turntables and serato, and all he did was slam songs in all night. Couldn't slam on beat (he tried a few times) with the left deck so he instant doubled and only used right deck whole time.

what a fail..... I hate stuff like that man!

+1 turntables 4 life

Yeah. That's no different than having a sports car and never going over 55. lmao

agreed

Anyone interested in a pair of custom technics sl-1200. Replaced thick ground, quality RCAs, removed quartz lock, LED lights, etc. Message me

where is the "LIKE" button for this discussion?

lmao just saw his facebook and this is his main picture lmfao www.facebook.com

I totally understand Niro's point here. I have tried CDJs, and even bought a VCI-300, but I still end up bringing out the 1200s and the 57 every time. There is just a "wow" factor with real turntables that isn't the same with other setups. Yes, on a VCI you will get a few girls who are like "oooh, pretty lights", and with an NS7 or V7 you will get somebody thinking you are playing 45s, but there is just a level of instant respect that I get from people as I am setting up the big, bulky, oldskool turntables, and also when they come up later to BS or make requests.

Sure, you CAN make it work with other configurations, I have done it, and I have seen it done by others. There are definitely cats out there who can pull off some super ill sets on CDs and/or controllers. I suppose if you are in a rockstar booth elevated above the crowd and they can't SEE your setup anyway, it matters less. But any time that you are within view of the crowd, it's a MUCH more entertaining experience for the general public to watch DJs on vinyl/SSL than it is to watch DJs on CDs or controllers. In my opinion anyway, FWIW.

I tried the ns7, and failed... I consider myself to be a proper dj. If I can't get a platter w/ the little dots to push/pull it's not gonna work for me

THIS ^

I look totally awesome with some 1200's in front of me. Suddenly it doesn't matter if i wear my underpants over my jeans, i will still be the coolest person in the room.

<----these still count as turntables right??

I love my turntables, that's why I have a studio set and a road set.

My NS7 is for portable setups/bad setup conditions and to record mixes on the road when I don't have turntables with me.

+1

When I was first starting out, I was reading online, and i came across an article that said something along the lines of "theres nothing like performing on turntables, Something about them increases the overall energy of the crowd" which I highly agree with.

This statement is only tru if you kno what your doing. Controllers just don't have the presence in this generation. It's tru tho nothing beats a Energetic DJ behind the decks especially if that DJ is staying busy working the mic perfecting the mix and cutting it up. Not to be DJ AM dick rider that guy just had so much energy behind the decks and I just don't think you can achieve that same energy on anything else

its that that hard to carry around some turntables.. do some pushups if your "breaking your back"

maybe because my day job involves handling heavy boxes all day i'm biased but turntables aren't that damn heavy...get a cart, some single cases & lightweight powered speakers (eons or something) and compared to the old days this stuff is a cake walk

Scottish champion & DMC champion r two completely different things. But Still winning scotland is a huge accomplishment. Been a huge fan of the dmc since way back in the early 90's

my largest gripe about controllers comes down to basic mathamatics, when using a surface area as a control surface a larger circumferance = more percise control.

Ya a 4 inch jog wheel is fine if your just playing songs back to back but if your doing anything that involves acutual record control the larger wheel is the key....theres a reason cars steering wheels are the size they are

Really? Which math formula is this?

Circumference equals Pi times Diameter

I would agree with that statement. I think it's pretty pointless for someone to play out with only a controller. I just will not ever be able to connect with that dj while I'm dancing & watching them play. It's like they are the wizard behind the curtain, and when you pull back the curtain, there's just some little guy pulling levers.

The force distance trade off. When a machine changes the size of the force, the distance through which the force is exerted must also change. Force or distance can increase, but not together. When one increases, the other must decrease.

www.musictrends.com

So what happens when an immovable object is impacted by an unstoppable force?

The penis will still penetrate the vagina. lol

wow, so disappointing

LOLLERCOPTER!!!

LOL

C'mon son.

What? I just don't see the point of midi controllers by themselves. I do understand that they have a place along side other equipment, i.e. decks, drum machines, etc.

Been on vacation for a bit, but as Josh and a few others have already posted. This is where we are going if we DJ's don't take control of our situation and let the companies/clubs decide what we should DJ on.

welcome mr turntablist! they are the same dots as serato logo
its technics turntable speed calibration light built into every technics

Pretty cool huh... what is it called though? I remember when i was a kid, i use to turn my mom's turntable on just to see that.

stobe

ooops, strobe

haha yeah it's a cool optical illusion how the different rows appear to be traveling in opposite directions...

Turntables 4 Life!!

I could careless if it takes me 7min to setup and my TT's weigh a lot more than my Big Bird portable turntable.
A midi controller does not give me full control like a turntable does. I tried out midi controllers and it always feels like i'm using a microwave; I could only push buttons to warm up the food and if I want to add something while is warming i can't. So I feel limited to what I can do. On the other hand when I used Turntables I feel like a Chef cooking over an open flame I have full control of what I can do with the food.

If your one of the midi dudes that say "you need to embrace technology" then 2 Turntables and SL57 or (SL box and 800) is where is at.

*just arranged to pick up another technic from a homie who's headed to grad school. $150..... and they say college makes you smart ;)

(high five)!

You raped him!

score!

I hate going to a club and see 2 1200's with the dust cover over them and not being used. The DJ is uding CDJ's or just a laptop.

Live and die by turntables!!!!

Keep on spinnin

DJRemix

industry will never dictate what i use. i'll use turntables til i get arthritis in my fingers and can't spin anymore. 1200's for life!!!

they both surrender

lmao!

Reminds me of the $500 macbook I got from a college student. :) hahaha

nm

Some of us actually have to be productive at work...And some of us really have a job...

if you had a GOOD job being productive wouldnt be as big as an issue, a software programmer can work at his leisure but when that dude orders that big mac i understand you gotta get it out to em hot so get back to work the lunch hour rush is about to hit lol

Oh yeah software programmer...How could I forget - your technical knowledge is so astounding..

Write me a simple function in c/c++ that loops and prints Bezzle 10 times; then create a character array with your name and print one character per line :)


I'll check back in an hour..

Exactly !!!

#include<iostream>
using namespace std;

int main()
{
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 10; i++)
{
cout << "bezzle" << "\n";
}
return 0;
}






#include <iostream>
using std::cout;
using std::endl;

void f( const char * );

int main()
{
const char phrase[] = "bezzle";

f( phrase );
return 0;
}

void f( const char *sPtr )
{
for ( ; *sPtr != '\0'; sPtr++ )
cout << *sPtr;
}

Fail! You missed the deadline by 4 minutes.

Lol - Ok - I'll be fair.. You understand the basics..

I'm glad I took programming and can understand the code. :)

..if it werent for serato i wouldve quit djing..hell my 1200s wouldve collected dust because i sure hell wasnt gonna buy cdjs!..lol totally glad serato was created because i already had 1200s..using 1200s with serato was a no brainer(saved $1500) .. LONG LIVE the 1200s!..

hahaha pwned

DOH!!

smh..

The sad thing this is you're always dick-riding Bezzle in every other thread... Not even the most impressionable minds on the board(the 15 year olds) - in all off bezzle's innumerable posts have become a Bezzle stooge... But YOU, you're the only F00L on here to become Bezzle's lackey..

That makes you the the LOWEST of the LOW!

Now walk your PUNK-ASS to the back of the class and SIT YOUR DUNDERHEADED ASS DOWN!!

Do we have to quote the whole page every time we quote?

Bastards!

;p

do we even have to go there....

Turntables Forever!

Damn son tell em why you really mad, Ill not have you speaking to my fans in such a manner.












And for the record ninos is totally my lackey.

To the purist only a turntable counts and ONLY then does someone bringing the milkcrates with 12's suffice as someone who can legitimately lay claim to "I am a DJ". Most every DJ cheats now with a program to avoid carrying that much vinyl (nobody wants to step out of the club only to find that someone assclown just walked off with their impossible to find only copy of a 12' in that crate).

For me so long as its not a program beatmatching for you (not a complete trainwreck everytime either) and you can keep a dancefloor I will reward you with the title of being a DJ. Regardless of the medium being used.

*forgot to add this to my previous post.

There is nothing like being able to touch and audibly transmit exactly what your hands are doing though the speakers like a true set of turntables. I have always been a CDJ person but I am more than willing to learn the other side with wax.

One other thing about the controllers. I own a A&H xone:DX. The mixers at the clubs I spin at on base here in Okinawa are 9 yr old, bleeding over, beat on pieces of shit. So the DX becomes the mixer I use while using CDJs so in that way would a controller not become a viable option to have without discrediting yourself as a DJ for using one?

C'mon, everyone can do a little bit of copy and paste. Try to challenge him with a real task. Fail. I promise.

lol

It's all about convenience to me. I would much rather use a controller for most mobile gigs and leave my turntables at home. I've always hated bringing my turntables back and forth to gigs.

I guess you could have a prerecorded mix too. That would definitely be more convenient!

*chuckles*

maybe I could get the owner to mail me the money and I'll mail him a mix.

This has happened to a few people I know. Than after awhile they just started using pandora.

Convenience will always come at a price, some greater than others.

I have four Technics turntables, two at home and two in cases for the mobile gigs. When I first got my decks it was strictly to learn turntablism. Nothing can come close the control of the decks if your into scratching and juggles, nothing!!! For those of us who need that level of control its impossible to switch. A lot of us double up and cut and scratch all night during our sets. No qbert type stuff, think more jazzy jeff for example. Its hard to pull that kind of stuff on on CDJs. Now if your a house DJ or pretty much anything else, you dont need that level of control so for you its never going to be a big deal to use a controller. For us who use turntablism during our sets, its so necessary.

With that said I finally bit the bullet and got one Pioneer CDJ 850 for my mobile gigs. I use instant doubles. I never thought I would say this, but I love it! Its seven pounds of easy spinning. I will say for complex scratching it just sounds a bit off, like the sound isnt completely there when I try more complex stuff. Its hard to describe. It works well though for straight mixing. For my nightclubs gigs when I want to get busy though, I have to bring the techs.

I've done this for several people this summer that could not afford a DJ for thier house parties.

Im such pain from logging around my 1200 !! GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!! if you cant carry them then you dont deserve to have them!

I know, but when youve got two subwoofers, tops, amps, lights, etc, all the weight add ups. Not to mention if my 6'3 250 pound roomate helps. Im killing my ride's suspension! Going from 120 pounds for two techs to one 7 pound CDJ does help. This is for mobile gigs for the most part. If Im at a club Im bringing my techs no question!!!

I don't think 2 12's weight 120 even in cases. My girlfriend carries them and she's 5'2" and 120lbs. But do what you like, just remember when the club or mobile event wants to make it more convenient on their budget and one of the workers' kid has the same/similar controller as you and offers to DJ the gig for $50 and some hot dogs. He will eventually get weeded out by an automated ipod app.

It's up to us DJ's to set a standard and not just accept ones that are put in front of our faces.

too many djs driving the wahhhhmbulance on here on how heavy stuff is. Pick up a weight or pick a different profession.

drums > drum machines
piano > keyboard
strings, horns, cowbell, etc. > synths

turntables > CDJs> controllers

technology can emulate many things but people still like to play instruments

After you guys pick your controllers that replaced your turntables, make sure you also save some time to go pick up some tampons for your bleeding poontang!

you forgot live vocals > autotune

@the_black_one..Just curious, did you pick that name because you don't wash often or did it just stick after the kids at school called you it ? :D

I was watching BET and Im glad to see DJ Scratch was using Techs

lol

yeah I was trying for that

singing in key > T-Pain iPhone app

ha

If you're not using your turntable to play traditional vinyl records, then your turntable "IS" a controller. You are using it with a timecode piece of vinyl to "CONTROL" audio from an external source, therefore it is technicaly a "CONTROLLER".

Call it what you wanna it takes practice to work a pair of TTs. When I speak of controllers I'm speaking in terms of midi. A turntable is not midi although it would be nice to intergrate midi into tts

I have yet to use a CDJ. Part of the reason I don't play out alot of places. All I know are turntables. And I'm good with that.

the_black_one

Maboza Ritchie

DJ Remy USA


I did, the turntable is a controller hence my responce to "the_black_one" post. In your case though, you're using CDJ's.

DJ Remy USA


?
Please explain to me (in your opinion) the difficulties in using a 1200 turntable and SSL to that of a V7 and ITCH ?

needle calibration for a starter?

+1.



Not really.. for a basic mixing.. For scratch patterns, juggles -yeah.

DJ Remy USA

Maboza Ritchie

Nicky Blunt


ahh, you mean catridge alignment or there is anti skate and tracking pressure also (save you coming back with those). Hardly rocket scince or the kind of thing that makes you a better DJ and nothing a youtube video wouldn't solve.
Perhaps if you like reading, then the manual for the turntable will suffice.

Some people would see the tonearm as an inconvenience anyway along with needles jumping or the odd little "teddy bear" paying a visit to the needle causing it to slide right across the record when you're playing.

So with the things listed above, haven't U just answered ur own question?

No, you took my question the wrong way in which it was intended, my question was aimed at Remy's post.
DJ Remy USA

I assume by this statement that he believes using a turntable makes you a better DJ to one who uses another device and practice on a turntable makes you a better DJ. I don't believe his post had anything to do with tonearm set up, it was you who thought that.

You are right however on picking up on what I said as I wasn't being specific enough with my question.

yah sorry i mis-undertood, not tryin to be a dick.

No worries, my fault also :)

Like i said call it what you wanna call it. Rocking TTs takes skill point blank, a skill that cannot be easily acquired anyone can setup a pair of TTs and say that their better cause they are using them. You obviously dont realize that a VZ still uses midi to communicate and its not a TT, and no controller yet has been able to really emulate the subtle nuances of DJing on a turntable. Majority of DJs who rock midi controllers as there main rig cant use a TT with timecode or with regular vinyl. If you use a controller as your main rig that cool I still think its wack and corny cause it doesnt take much skill.

Also most midi dudes cant even pull off a simple transition from one song to another much less put together a set that flows on TTs. You wanna know how I know, cause most guys come up to me while Im playing and say "hey Ima DJ too" " Do you mind if I play for a bit" Me I really dont care so I let them try and they always fail miserably then I come to find out that they are rocking some controller most of them were on the NS7 using VDJ btw, and thats suppose to be the closest thing to rocking a pari of TTs and truth is. Its not even close to a TT

You can't think of everyone like that though. There are a lot of bad DJ's with TT's and controllers and yes I agree it "looks" better with TT's but as I said, 2v7s and Itch is not much different than turntables and SSL, the v7's don't do the work for you, you still have to mix by yourself and you can scratch and cut up from deck to deck but it just doesn't look as good, and that is it right there, it is just a visual thing with what looks better.

The Ass Hat strikes again . SMH...why am I not surprised? LOL

www.balloon-juice.com

Homie I beg to differ. Read the post i put up about my ex-roommate who after never djing a day in his life is now getting bookings and playing out on a pair of V7's and using 100% autostink. serato.com
Ive used techs for 12 yrs. Tried the v7's and i gotta agree.....controllers suck. And my honest opinion is a majority of the people defending controllers and saying we need to embrace technology cant really rock it on a pair of techs.

Oh and when you read that post about my roommate make sure you take note of the fact that he has been asked by real dj's playing on techs to throw down something live during their gigs since they've seen how he's claiming to be a dj and everytime dude has a panic attack and runs out the club!

yes and those people are the people fuckin the game up, the noobs who dont wanna develop skill and knowledge

encyclopediadramatica.ch

V7 and any program will allow autosync thats how these guys do their work, they also like to make stupid juggle patterns with buttons. Its so waive for me. TTs does not equal skills but skillz equal TTs, It still does not take much skill to transition on midi controllers. even with autosync most waives botch it up still.

So my statement is still tru. It takes skills to rock TTs, even the entry level stuff like simple transitions from one song to another on TTs take skill with timecode or without one thing is for sure you can fake skillz on TTs you either have em or your working to get them or your just posing with them cause they look cool which the statment in itself sounds waive

Im with you enuff

I own techs and have no problem with controllers. I actually plan on getting the ns6. I don't think there is anything wrong with people using controllers, it depends what type of dj you wanna be. I think it best to learn how to use all types of equipment not just turntables or not just controllers.

I could be wrong but I don't think the ns7 or v7 beatmatches for you. It just syncs up the tempo so when you movie the pitch on one the other one changes too.

The V7 doesn't have "autosync" it just has a sync button to match the BPM's, it doesn't keep them in time.

Maboza Ritchie

Shizzle Ma Nizzle

Now that the 1200's are discontinued, I guess when you turn up for a gig in 20 years with your Technics, you'll get as much respect as a guy turning up with this at a gig now.
i815.photobucket.com

You seem happy enough to post then.
Watchwww.youtube.com

V7=controller with ITCH
TT=controller with SSL

just because techcs MAY be discontinued dosent mean there are no companys making turntables.

Watchwww.youtube.com

even if you want to consider the 2 controllers, a TT is a BETTER controller

There is more that can go wrong with it, it is not designed to be a controller, it can jump and slide across the vinyl with dust build up as opposed to the V7 but both are similar in their performance function.

I promise you my noob ex-roomie plays hour long sets and NEVER touches the sliders.
^^^MABOZA you read that last part?
How then does my ex-roommate beatmach without EVER touching the sliders then?
Jedi mind tricks....




I think not......











sync button mashing? all day long!!!!!

pretty good stuff.

This thread is about the art of DJing with Turntables and it's up to us DJ's to keep it that way. I'm not against controllers, but I would prefer to DJ on turntables and see other DJ's playing on Turntables. This isn't a controller or no controller issue or which one is better, that shit can be left in the itch forum. I want to support and let other DJ's that believe in the art.

To me, DJing is physically and visually more appealing with Tables.

My friend has V7's and ITCH and they DO NOT keep in sync, they just match BPM's and you have to keep them in manually by knowing what one is running out, same as your SSL, so you're talking shit :)

Yes you can use the buttons but it is no different to using your finger on the vinyl or platter with SSL, you still have to manually keep them in, beit a finger on a button or on a platter.

lol
I really wish i was....
I really wish rookies with no skill couldnt cheat with itch.....
but alas your friend is oviously is as insecure and in as much denial as you are.
How you gonna say you know more about gear that i do WHEN I OWN ONE AND YOU GOTTA PLAY WITH YOUR BOYS THING!

LOL not quite the song you were singing a while ago.

yall leave him alone, he is crying in the corner... LOL

Maboza Ritchie Give it up, You've officially lost the argument when you said you didn't own one... It's over...

lol at ignoring the facts, if you press the button and it lines up then obviously if you KEEP pushing the button its gonna stay lined up

no with a button you dont need to have any knowledge on WHERE to put the slider, anyone can finger fuck a button to keep it lined up

Untracking .... Some of you just can't understand and or appreciate a good set of turntables. It's sad.

Here's the other difference (and yes, I actually OWN both SSL and ITCH). With SSL, the deck has to be playing for it to recognize your pitch adjustments. Yes, if the record is spinning, you can adjust it visually to be close to/matched with the other track's BPM, I suppose, but doing that takes as much or more effort for me than just lining it up by ear... and seems kinda pointless.

With ITCH, even if you don't use the Auto BPM/Autosync/Automix/whatever, you can move the slider and see the fluctuation on screen BEFORE YOU EVEN START THE TRACK. And it goes down to the hundredth (2 decimal places). The couple times I've played out with my VCI, I noticed that it was WAY too easy, all you have to do is line up 125.76 to 125.76 and make sure your cues are set, and that shit WILL almost mix itself once you hit play.

People can argue all they want about NS7s, V7s etc being "just like decks" but in reality the ITCH software DOES make it easier to "cheat", even WITHOUT using the auto features. Itch controllers also just do not have that subtle fluctuation that keeps you on your toes. I found using the VCI to be boring, IMHO. Plus, aside from some dumb broads who dig the pretty lights, controllers will NEVER have the overall visual appeal/first impression factor that a set of 1200s does.

LOL not quite.

If you have no sense of timing you can easily keep pressing the wrong button.

DJ nightmare productions ? are they that bad ?

Now we are getting to your issue.. "boy's things" something no doubt you spend a lot of time thinking about :)

Hmm, a music producer who couldn't really give a shit about DJing anymore..I think not :)

Me however, I love coming here and fucking with you's and I can take anything you got to give :D but don't get the wrong idea about that..DJ shirt lifter.

The Orangutan got pwned on two threads simultaneously today.

He likes the punishment from multiple men. LMAO

Dude is a clown. His points are so off you cant tell you can't DJ worth sh*t. Making up stuff, back tracking, LMAO. Ignore this dude, he's probably the same in real life. Some real weak sucka shit he's talking.

Hey Orangutan

operatorchan.org

Lol looks like feeding time for trolls ended.






Ill fuchks wit cha...

i1179.photobucket.com

C'mon, I'll be in and out here as much as your ladyboy mags come out :)

U really have no clue do you?






McFly! Hello McFly!

For someone who doesn't have V7's I think I gave the corner a good fight. Talking about controllers is not my strong point.

That's a waive statement bruh....are you seriously still defending controllers. It's not like TTs plain and simple

Just for the dumbasses cause I know there are a few here...
I don't have a V7, don't use ITCH and even made a point of pointing out at one stage I never knew the difference between sync and autosync.

I jumped between threads posting like a mad man (just hoped more would have shown)and then when you had the taste of blood, I pissed off for my dinner while you sat there hitting your refresh buttons waiting on my reply LOL.

DJ Nightmare Productions


No my friend YOU missed your chance right there to see you had been fucked over :)

Your tt's are still technically controllers though :D

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! how does having a sense of timing corelate with what button your pushing, thats how easy this thing makes djing, apparently you have to have down syndrom and be crosseyed to fuck it up......sync button, sync button, sync button.....POWER BUTTON FUCK , i need more practice

LOL You keep feeling compelled to post don't you ? :)

You need to read the other thread, your'e one of the biggest puppets here by contradicting yourself :D

Your turntable is a controller :)

which has nothing to do with what i just posted

and also i will repeat what I posted earlier just in case you missed it.

If you want to consider a turntable a controller it is still a BETTER controller than the new ones comming to the market, it requires more talent to use, it is more versitle, and is more reliable

Maboza Ritchie





LMAO! man you got to love it :)


Ok here we go :D..
No it's not, cause the 1200 was never designed to be one, it is only being adapted to being one (it's an imposter lol ).
It's purpose was of a domestic hi-fi turntable. It's moved into the club market, then cases designed to make it portable, SSL to make it a controller in the modern digital environment.

A great turntable, no mistake but it only offers the basic features of a controller, so it is not better than today's controllers in that field.

Now let that be the end of it, no doubt you'll want the last word in LOL.

please show me where in the post you quoted i said anything about the 1200?

You didn't, I did in order to cover my point.
You'll see in some of my previous posts that I refer to "1200's" as well.

If you're defending the digital turntables, then it seems odd that you would shoot down people for using other digital hardware for DJing.
You can't base your defence on a "sync" or "autosync" feature, cause with a bad DJ he could lock the kick on the snare and mix, or vocals over each other and both would sound like shit. A bad DJ is a bad DJ and a sync button won't necessarily make him better, just bad mixing on the beat.
Dj.M-Bezzle

In your case and others here, NO. I see guy's on youtube with more talent on V7's, NS7's etc than you and others are on turntables. And yes, some may have acquired their skill on a turntable (maybe not), either way in one breath you could defend their skill by them learing on a turntable, then shoot them down with your next breath for using another device.

Anyway I'm out, catch you later :)

I thought this thread was for people who appreciated the turntable.

apparently trolls appreciate turntables....or at least threads about them lol

A troll accusing someone of being a troll. Quite novel.

You warn people they're posting in a troll thread,
you then carry on posting and in particular, responding to his post LOL.

Troll or not he makes a pretty good closing statement, part of it being.

that can be extended to 2nd on 3rd beat or so on and in a 4/4 track the changes would sound terrible, key difference also which would hurt anyones ears and a "bad" DJ would almost certainly have no idea of when to come in and out a track or not to put vocals over each other and i've heard DJ's with turntables do that stuff.

Never used one..

your speaking in hypotheticals, heres a real world example of this happening

Exizibit A

serato.com

dude got some V7s and without knowing how to beatmatch in any way is not only gigging out but opening for big name dubstep artists.

it would be the other way around, rep are conservative traditionalists(tt's), dems generally are liberal and progressive(open to new formats)

If you are using turntables with Serato then they are controllers.
Mixing music with Serato and turntables is alot easier than mixing vinyl 12's. Using Serato gives you queue points, waveforms, live BPM counters, etc... I bet a lot of people on here that use turntables with Serato (that have never spun real wax) would actually struggle a bit if they had to play a whole night with real vinyl.
Mixing with some controllers is made even easier than using the turntables. It is also easier to not be as emotionally attached to what you are doing because you are not putting as much effort into the cueing of songs, scratching, etc...
The controllers I use are as close to turntables as you can get - Denon HS5500s - I use them the exact same way I spin with turntables, just without the hassle of signal loss, needle issues, etc...
So I love turntables but am also OK with controllers, though I do not care for most of the controllers that are currently out there. Don't even care much for the Pioneer, as I just don't like the non-spinning platter...

I think this has turned into a CDJ/VS/NS7 vs turntables thread.. that's not what it was meant for, it was a SALUTE to the dj's that use turntables at every gig. To all the other dj's that don't use them, don't get offended it is what you chose to do...

All we can do is be a beast on whatever we dj with. I use Turntables because that is what I prefer. You should use what you prefer. Don't get offended because I PREFER WHAT I PREFER... You are belittling your self by acting like just because I prefer what I prefer, what you prefer is less than what I prefer.

USE WHAT YOU PREFER AND KILL THE SHOW WITH IT.... THat is what it is all about...

Peace..

^!

Firstly, I'll take this time to apologize to the posters here for coming in on this thread earlier on the wrong foot.




If the story is true (and it's to much to read through) but if he is doing that then where is the real problem ? it doesn't affect you or me.
There will also be some guy's that get gigs they don't deserve but a good dj will always prevail.

I wouldn't ask you to be a fan of other devices either cause there are some I don't like for my own reasons. I use my V7's just like my turntables and I don't have beatgrids or any automatic function that keeps the tracks in time.
It would however be nice if we didn't knock people just because of their preference. Surely we can respect other peoples choices and try to get on ?


I've never met you and you may well be a decent guy in real life but you don't give that vibe off to me here in the "DJ Discussion Board", there is a lot of hate in some of these topics from people, I myself have felt drawn in to give it back, which is why I almost left the forum cause it's not why I came here.

I'm not saying it should be all group hugs and shit, we can still have little pops at each other if we feel like it but just not with the venom :)

yeah strobe so

if you have technics you have got already lights(strobe) and music(you can hear the music if you are closer to the record) for your party, and even if the electricity fails you can still turn the platter by your hand and hear the music!!!!
which midi controller can do that???? then where is the revolution??? :))))

If you read through other posts in the "DJing Discussion" forum, you'll see that it is the turntable users who have this mentality and think that they are "real dj's" and others who don't use turntables are not.

Mate I've told you before, you'll never reason with the mentality a minority of turntable users here. They carry a huge chip on their shoulders and make up for their owninadequacies by coming on here and bashing others.
They probably don't get much work as DJ's or can't really be technically good, so they spend their time here trying to make others feel worse than them so they can feel better about themselves, it happens in all walks of life.

Here is a perfect example of the mentality you're dealing with.
riaci


Speaking of TROLLS..
serato.com
And pay attention to Bezzle's first post further down the page as well, true TROLL behaviour if ever I saw it.

I don't mind giving some of them a taste of their own medicine, cause It passes the time for me here while i'm watching tv or have nothing else to do with the laptop beside me :)

easy, more or less, uncreative - definitely, unless you're playing in front of a shitload of people and dropping massive, instantly recognizable tracks then it's totally OK (DJ Kris Styles, the Game's tour DJ, is AMAZING at this,I've seen him do it heaps of times and he pulls it off perfectly). anyway that's just my 2 cents

^^ oh shit wrong thread :S

MK4!

cgi.ebay.com

As much as I wanted the MK4 for the RCA connection, $800 is a bit steep for a 7 year old TT.

I rate this pro-TT/vinyl thread a 6.9 out of 10; moderately entertaining with some definite LOLworthy moments, but lacking in true distinction and rabid fanatical devotion from either side. Room for improvement...

like turntable tattoos?

sorry but this troll can mix from more than 2 pure vinyls seamlessly my newbie
if you can not understand this humor about the strobe etc then there is something seriously wrong with you

After meeting people with Tweety Bird tattoos who don't know who Sylvester Cat is, I can't automatically assume that a tattoo = fanatical devotion...

Bet my dad could beat yours in a fight.

Don't let there mentality shape Your Mentality.. Do YOU AND KILL IT...

Is all I am saying..

For the last 5 months I've been using CDJs, dual CD players and Internal mode quite a lot for the first time since i started using Scratchlive 6 years ago and trust me you might as well sell your scratchlive box if you aren't using TTs... Pioneer CDJ or Denon equivalent decks I think the furtherest i'll go. Numark NS7 is really nice but i just cant deal with the ITCH thing. I Hate it that i goto use ABS mode for most CD players because REL Mode is too glitchy with cuing and loading tracks. I love TTs til death do us part all i have added to make the experience a lil more fun is an Akai lpd8 which fills the gap nicely.

u must be doing it wrong, ive never had a problem with cdjs.

I agree with mr. goodkat. Putting the CDJ's in Vinyl mode, and playing Serato in REL is pretty nice. I've never had an issue once I figured out the settings.

That being said, I will always prefer the control that turntables offer. That, and I like watching the record go 'round.

This thread should have really been called: Turntables forever but I still want to have it easier with new technology.

The main argument on this thread has been how you are a DJ truest if you use TT’s’
If you use TT’s then you are a real DJ because you are keeping with old school tradition
How controllers help you mix by having aids like sync, loops, cues, effects, etc so you’re not a true DJ.

If you are still lugging around with your record crates to gigs, marking your vinyl with sticky dots or tape to mark your que points, if you still carry around a note pad with your playlist of sets, if you also bring along an effects processor or sampler for your drops then you are a true old school DJ God! Props to you for sticking with tradition. I applauded you! but………., once you changed any of that for the easier route like using serato, with crates, que points, bpm, loops, virtual playlist, visual markers, effects, etc, etc, you have lost all argument in the keeping it real of using turntables.

Let me let you in on a little secret………..You are not old school, or keeping it real or staying with tradition. You are just using the turntable to control the time coded vinyl. So guess what, your turntables have just become your controller, so much for tradition.

I still have TT’s and yes they are Techniques and love them to death, I have had them since I was 17, I am almost 40 so they have served me well and will continue to, I also have an NS7 and love it just as much. What I love is spinning platters. I don’t care if it’s an actual TT or a controller with spinning platters. If it doesn’t spin there is no excitement for me. Others may love pressing buttons, or a non spinning platter, which does that make them less of a DJ.

The general public gives rats as what equipment the DJ at the club is using. We as Dj’s are prob. the only ones that go over and try to see what they are using.

I recently went to a small club nothing big, before I even walked to the bar I walked over to the DJ booth to see what equipment the he was using, to my surprise he had pc laptop “ not even a Mac” that’s a whole other discussion. Lol, and a mixer. My first impression was how f#@ing lame, this is going to blow. We had a drink or two and slowly I started to get into it. This dude knew how to work the crowd, on the mic. and with the music he played for that particular crowd. No one at this place was sitting everyone was up dancing buying drinks having a great time. No one in that place cared that he played from his lap top and not from TT’s. This dude killed it.

Bottom line whatever media you use to DJ enjoy it. Have fun with it and don’t let the egos of other kill it for you. Bottom line is they let their equipment speak for them instead of letting their skill do the talking. You never see the people doing the bitching or complaining backing it up with videos of their talents for the world to admire and praise.

Spinning Platters for ever
Peace.

This is gold

It has absolutely nothing to do with tradition and keeping it real and everything to do with the fact that as a skilled dj I have yet to find a device that replaces the total and absolute control of a turntable and a 12'' record. And im a v7 owner. The day a controller actually allows me to preform better than i can on a 1200 i'll convert.
And that there is the truth to why we "old heads" stay with the 1200's. They are STILL better than a controller. Look at all the big name dj's. None of em have converted. Jazzy Jeff, Z-trip, Enferno, Dj vice, ect. all 1200's. and I dont think its cuz they need to have the "old school" cred. Its just still the prefered medium.

Hold up...... First off its a common theme for people to bash turntables around here when they dont really know how to use em and i got my doubts....
You say youve had techniques for 20+ years and you dont know how to spell technics?
hmmm.....




interesting.

i think that if you dont give a controller or cdjs the proper amount of time, how would you ever know what you can or cant do with them. if you dj with techs for 10-20 years, wouldnt you think that it would take a few years of practising and gigging to get to a similar level with tt alternatives?

LOL

I have mad techniques on my Technics lol

This thread is about keeping the art of DJing with Turntables alive. Controllers are great, just like rollerblading or razorscootering, but doing tricks on a skateboard is still held to a higher standard. Why because in a lot of aspects is harder and no substitute was accepted and has kept it's integrity. Yes, things have changed and helped in the skateboard world, just like serato in the DJ world, but tricks are still performed on a standard platform. This is what I am getting at with DJing, a standard has been set and we should support it, instead of trading it in for the most current gimmick/device. Because if we give up the identity of the turntable (and CDJ's to some of you) than you might as well go for the most gimmicky/convenient thing out.

Turntable forever!

No love for reel-to-reels?

Watchwww.youtube.com

no what...i'm going to buy a reel-to-reel, 8 track and all the 78rpm phonograph records i can find...lol

:)

Many are still in denial..

You speak the truth!!!

we are all digital djs...who cares...i carried heavy creates, spend plenty of time in vinyl shops and own a massive collections of vinyl and cds...i use none of it these days...

itunes, digital record pools and my macbook pro replaced all of that. made my life easier and took a lot of stress of my knees and back. yea i still use my turntables to manipulate the music but that is where it ends.

most ppl here dont care about folks switching up to other forms of controllers, i think they feel more so insulted by the guys who never touched a crate of records or turntable and have the nerve to pass themselves as a dj.

When did I bash TT's?
I love TT's so I don't know where you got that from.



Wow!, you really want to correct my spelling....... really dude. What an oxymoron.
That's your argument, lol.......... How sad.

I am not here to impress you so I really could care less what you believe.

But just for the record.....
I liked my turntables battle style when scratching or beat juggling otherwise I would keep them laid out traditional. I liked turning my needle slightly on the head shell so that they were parallel to the tone arm pivot which tends to skip less, I liked using masking tape on the record hole because it fills in the hole around the spindle better than clear tape, sometimes I liked to weigh down the head shell down with a dime when I beat juggle and scratch.

Don't know how to use a turntable, brother please, my 12 year old can use a turntable.


So your "skilled dj" talent won't let you use a controller as you can a TT'? In this case I will use your V7 for comparison.

Lets compare shall we.

Comparison..................................................Turntables
.............................V7Controller
Start and Stop.................................................Yes..............
............................Yes
Instant Start....................................................No...........
................................Yes
Platter Spins...................................................Yes...........
...............................Yes
Drag Start and Stop..........................................Yes.....................
.....................Yes
Needle skips...................................................Yes...........
................................No
Needle Drop..................................................Yes.............
.............................Yes
Loops.............................................................No..
.........................................Yes
Que markers .................................................No...................
........................Yes
Effects ..........................................................No..........
.................................Yes
Scratching.....................................................Yes....
.......................................Yes
Beat matching ...............................................Yes....................
.......................Yes
Pitch Slider .................................................Yes..................
.........................Yes
Nudge .........................................................Yes..........
.................................Yes


Remind me again what you can't do on a controller that you can do on a TT?



Ok understandable.


Wait, I'm confused. I thought you were and "Old head" why did you by a V7 if all was perfect?
hmmmm........

Interesting.

I have been trying to figure out how you came up with your DJ name and finally I figured it out. It's what you here before you get kick out of a gig, "DJ "ENOUGH"

"Nothing is constant except change"

DJ ENUF

You'll find it's the pompous attitude of some with TT's that the problem lies with, not TT users in general.
DJ ENUF

Does that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he doesn't have them ?.

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything DJ ENUF say's, this is the guy who never heard of David Guetta not long ago, then after being told, tries to come back with a damage limitation post LOL
DJ ENUF


Linedance anyone ? lol.

DJMIA

:)
RogerRabbit

+1

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything DJ ENUF say's, this is the guy who never heard of David Guetta not long ago, then after being told, tries to come back with a damage limitation post LOL
DJ ENUF



Linedance anyone ? lol.

disregard, I misread his post with his quote as I was in a rush.

SMH.....maboza you dont even know how to debate correctly......
fail!

You drop that paragraph in a thread titled TURNTABLES FOREVER. You were bashing users of turntables.

^^^quote fail!

100$ says if I challenge mia to a battle he folds. Any takers?

theres nothing more fustrating than debating with someone who a) dosent know how to debate and B) who is so beneath the intellectual level of the conversation they cant form a valid argument then think their winning because the arguments they form make no sense, for example people who use jokes as factual ammo or people who arent evolved enough to admit they lost. For future reference never argue with a monkey.




its a very safe bet

i can listen to skateboard and musical analogies all day. It's the two things I love most.

Got my new technic and am fully loaded now.

How is that bashing TT users? If you use Serato with your turntables, you are no longer a turntable traditionalist, you are using a form of controller now, I am just stating a fact.




They are both still skaters. Give the skateboarder the rollerblades and the rollerblader the skateboard and they will prob. both falls flat on their ass. Why because they are used to what they are comfortable with. It doesn't make one less than the other but you seem to want to make that distinction.



Battle....., I haven't heard that in so long. That brought me back to my break dancing days. lol.
I'm not professing to be better than you my brother or anybody else here for that matter. I'm not on here to show anybody up or talk a big game with just hot air. I'm not the one hyping myself up with all this MADSKILLS about how good of a DJ I am compared to anyone else on a controller. If I were to profess to be a GOD of TT's then surely I better have some proof of this. Where is your proof, you obviously must have a tons video's right? Endorsements? Tours? Residency? Web casts?.......Anything?

I'm not looking for a battle, lol. I neither have the time nor the effort. I'm not the one that has something to prove with all his talk.

I read back through your previous posts to get a feel an idea of where you were coming from and after reading I said to myself, DAMN! This cat must be famous he must be everywhere on the internet. I tried looking you up on YouTube, Google, and Face Book because I figured you must be in the same class as the world famous DJ's out there. But damn I searched and searched but to my surprise I could not find anything on you. I did find a DJ ENUFF but we all know that isn’t you.

Infact I will pay you the $100 you wanted to bet just so you can prove to us how good your skills are.

Bottom line you want to profess yourself to have mad skill on TT's. Belittle anyone that uses controllers and say they are not real DJ's because they cheat and they didn't learn the craft the old fashion way. Step up and back it up. Show us all proof. Put us all in our place, put me in my place and shut us all up once and for all. I will be the first to give you the prop you deserve.

I believe that DJ's that have this mindset that real DJ's use turntable are afraid because soon little Bobby and his Ipad will come along and take their gigs. If you have skill then you should not fear little Bobby. Guess what, if little Bobby did take your gig then you sucked to begin with. Skills are skills no matter what platform you use. Or is that you can't adapt?

People want to be entertained, they want new; they don't want the same things that they have listened to for years and years. This reminds me of my brother in law, he once told me why you play certain genre at certain gigs when you don't even like that genre. I said if I want to get paid I will learn to love it. When I go home with the cash in my pocket then I can play what I want, how I want, and on whatever platform I want. Now it's for me, for my enjoyment not anyone else’s.

Things change and whether we like it or not you either adapt to change or get left behind. It's true the turntable was how it all started because that's what was around but not anymore. It's funny how the pioneer CDJ's are the standard in almost every club you go and the famous technics are discontinued, soon the pioneers will be replaced by another industry standard, so on and so on. How many of you still jam out with their walkman cassette player?

It's called evolution.

Funny how up to 2006 dudes used to frown on me for bringing turntables. Fast forward 2010-2011 the same dude are ditching CDJs for technics lol.

sums it up right here, really no point in arguing with someone who dosent give a damn about the culture or the art

Say's the guy who can't even spell or use proper grammar.

DJ ENUF

Have you formed that opinion by yourself ? Any chance of showing us your "skills" so we can make our own minds up ?
serato.com
Gouda say's you "lost" the battle, you say you won and that you actually spell your name "Enough" yet you spell it "ENUF" here, you then say "Enuf" was your graffiti handle and because everyone knew you as "Enuf" you just lengthened it to "Enough" to avoid confusion ? lol sorry but i'm confused.
You'll also find that you "changed" Enuf to Enough, not lengthened it.

DJ ENUF

Had this discussion before. If you're using them with SSL then they are a controller.
DJ ENUF

What relevance does their use of turtables have to you using them ? and they use them because there was no other choice when they started, they never chose TT's over another device. The reason they stay with them is probably for their own personal reasons and having learned their craft on them.

see what im saying #dontfeedthechimp

+1 banana

You use the word "intellectual". Do you know what that means ?

I think now that we know Bezzle that you use your TT as a controller and you have trolled the board many times, perhaps you should change your name to "DJ conTROLL", suits you better.

look at it swing from that tree.....oh look hes stuck in the tire

Try and reverse the situation all you will, doesn't hide the truth.

alright kids on to the elephants

Bezzle in action
www.youtube.com

LOL monkey you still mad at me cuz I got you to admit that you dont own any V7's and you play with your boys toys? That was last week. This week im trying to proove that mia doesnt have technics get with the program!

Djmia the reason why I jumped on your post is that it doesnt add up for 3 reasons. 1. You say you've ownet techniques since you were 17 so like 20 yrs and you cant spell technics? 2. After owning said techniques for 20+ yrs your not proficient enough to post a battle set? And 3. you are a loooooong time technics user who is an advocate of controllers? Thats a rare breed.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck its probably another guy who cant use real turntables too well so they advocate controllers.
If i appear bitter twords controller dj's lemme refresh those of you who dont know what i witnessed happen to my ex-roommate.
serato.com

So mia you want me to post a vid? Show my skills? Admit that this post isnt accurate

and I'll post a video of me live from either my fri or sat night residency.

Mad ? you have me mistaken for someone who cares lol.
I said by my own admission that I never had V7's (nothing to do with you). And you have a thing about "boy's things" which is probably why you have your name ENUF or Enough (changed not lengthened). Is that what you say to your ladyboy friend when he doesn't even have the decency to pull your shirt down after.

1. I don't take this place as serious as some of you guy's
2. I have a laugh at some peoples expense (who deserve it)
3 I make some valid points.

I couldn't care less if my posts are responded to, I make the points for others to see, so get with the program :).

And just so we are crystal clear on the V7 thing, I will quote it from the other thread for you and others to see.

DJ ENUF

Maboza Ritchie

Keep digging that hole monkey. There's gotta be something down there...

Perhaps you should take up writing fiction after reading that post on Dubstep lol.

You're doing the digging, I'm just watching how deep you go.

See what I'm saying Bezzle. You should pack up your stuff once a month and head to N.O., set up in the park or some outdoor event, pass out CD's and flyers to promo your site or whatever of your own events you got going on and build from there.

Your really gonna go there and call me a liar huh?
I guess I could post a pic of me djing the softball tourney with the 2V7's the day my roomie pulled the gun. I could post a pic of the 600$ check DePaul hospital wrote me for the gig. I could post a pic of the charges dude got along with his mug shot. But truth be told if within a debate u need to resort to insults then your not worth the effort.
Done with the monkeybusiness.

Nice escape.

So I've been using 1 turntable and instant doubles at my Friday gig because the DJ booth is kinda small. Well, last Friday I said, fuck it. I'm just going to take the turntables and mixer out of the cases and see if they fit. They BARELY fit. Now I'm back to 2 turntables. :)

nm

2 V7's ehh, wow.

I've seen this troll shit done on other forums with cars and motorcycles, fake documents all sorts. There are lots of gullible people out there but you got on my bad side :)

Actually this is more physics than mathematics...

Has this thread made it to the "Backfired" thread yet.....

Looks like ENUF's had Enough, trying to protect the hard work that he and the minions put into his Dubstep post.

Id say you will be hard pressed to find someone doing this with the controllers!!!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

#jussayin

It def belongs there now. The monkey guy and DJ Enuff are going back and forth like a married couple....lol

A very talented and innovative DJ, no doubt. He does however utilize controllers in his performance and yes, with a controller you can't put an elastic band on a tonearm and twang it but who really does as part of a convetional DJ set ?
This is more showman gimmickry cleverness, which I don't think is quite the same as conventional comparisons :).
There are lots of little things you can do with a controller that you can't with a TT as well.

Both times U have asked a question, Ive answered with two sets of reasonable answers you have had to excuse away.

You asked what cant i do with a controller that I can with a turntable. I presented something & U try to discredit it.

Fact is.

You CANNOT DO THAT WITH A CONTROLLER.

thats what u asked for

#jussayin

You're correct, I asked a specific question and you answered :)
Maboza Ritchie

All I did was open up the spectrum after not discredit your answer, it depends how you want to view the response.
To be fair, you're the only person who has not let anger cloud their vision on specific questions :)

Dj-M.Bezzle

Bezzle, remember something..I am not here to win any form of "debate", I will leave my "intellectual debating"(as you put it) for forums that I feel are worth the effort. This site does not offer much of that, I see here a more bullying narrow mindedness which I will respond to on that level.
You however must bare this in mind..Regardless of your forum or subject, your spelling and grammar will alway's be your achilles heel because it is impossible to have "intellectual debating" if you can't implement both these critical factors my friend :).

Loops.............................................................No..
.........................................Yes
Que markers .................................................No...................
........................Yes


i can not agree with this!!!!!
i take loops like something invented because of turntables because of needle skipping and beat juggling so if turntables inspired the thing........
and i have seen a lot of scratchers using plastic tape que markers on vinyl....

tinyurl.com

Are you seriously telling everyone you think looping was invented by turntable DJs?

Wiki does site grandmaster flash as an originator of the technique of looping.
en.wikipedia.org

For doing it on turntables perhaps! He didn't invent looping FFS.

However, you do show that looping on turntables is a traditional TT technique that most users here are quite happy to abandon.

Oh goodie, we're back there again.
Dj-M.Bezzle

Well I'll see your link..
www.youtube.com
and raise you.
Watchwww.youtube.com

I'm definitely working on using my left, but it's funny though because most tutorial vids I see have the instructors scratching with their left.

“When a monkey nibbles on a weenis, it’s funny in any language.”

is that really bezzle?

Mr. Goodkat


Yes it really is, don't forget all the clips down the right hand side.

Where's Waldo ? (Bezzle)
i1179.photobucket.com

Dj-M.Bezzle

Dj-M.Bezzle

Dj-M.Bezzle

Dj-M.Bezzle

i would have serious self esteem issues if posted those vids.

Wow at taking the time to do those vids just to get back at Bezzle.

tinyurl.com

the monkey man has a controller stuck up his poop shoot and likes it up there because it tickles his fancy!

for fans looking for more classic bezzle quotes please vist mbezzlewill.annoythedj.com for up to date quotes and news, feel free to contribute!

LMFAO!! i was just going through my quote mpage and found this this gem from a few years ago




i present to you this




you can call me bezzledamaus (or bezzledemau5 apparently)

Well well Bezzle, you seems to come to life when some of your little pack of hyenas decide to make an appearance, true to form.

the_black_one

"the_black_one" admit it, you were bullied at school because you never washed often and the kids gave you that name, didn't they ?
btw change your tactics, they're about as limp as your wrist.
I see a pattern forming with some of the hyenas and all this male sex talk, I bet you're pulling one off right now, you probably jack off to each other on webcam when you get going here.

DJ Shamann

1- it was "a" vid,
2- how long did it take ?
3- read through my posts from when I joined here and try and form a picture.
Since I joined here I was surprised you never made an appearance before, however with that post it's still not a gimme.

someone take a picutre of th emonkey eating the banana before he throws the peel!! SAY CHHEEEESSSEEE!!!!!!!!!1

tinyurl.com

NSFW but safe for folks that want to get rid of annoying monkey problems www.flickr.com

Why are you surprised?

I don't need to read through your history, all I needed to see was three posts in this thread to know that you don't know what you're talking about and up until now I couldn't be bothered, and after this I'm not sure I'll be that compelled to respond either.


And I don't care if it was "a" video or many, you actually took time out of your day away from these forums to put a funny soundtrack and captions to a video of a guy you don't know on a forum because he called you out on some posts. I don't see the point.

Dj-M.Bezzle

You may well be a "phenonimon" in your own mind one day, whatever that is.
Here's another from a few years ago. Nice how you made an appearance when you knew it was safe to do so.
serato.com

the_black_one

I'll help you all out here, it's an Orangutan, so you don't start wasting your time with references to monkeys lol.

Maboza Ritchie

DJ Shamman


He never called me out on anything, so before forming an opinion it's usually best to get the facts.

So what are the 3 posts that show that I don't know what I'm talking about ?

If he never called you out on anything, why go to the trouble of making a vid? he must've done something to get you to the point of downloading his vid, then putting music and inserted clips and captions to it.

Dj Shamann


I'll be honest with you Shamann, I had you down as a bit of a "Bezzle" here but I may well be very wrong about you.
It passed the time for me when I had nothing to do, I can knock that stuff up in an hour or so when I have the idea, I waste more time watching a damn shitty movie :).
Bezzle is one of these guy's who thinks it's great to get at people so I thought it would be only fair in returning the favour as it keeps him off other peoples backs (when I have time).

while you guys here keep on takin the TT vs Controller battle nonstop heres a kid from indonesia utilizating Turntable and controllerism on one routine : youtu.be

I get doing something when you're bored but it's like you've got something to prove about the guy with Bezzle exposed type vids. Like why go to that trouble to "get him off other peoples backs"? It's where it's coming from that's lame.

It's a forum, lots of Dj's around here talk shit, it's usually pretty funny and keeps me hanging around, but lots of those Dj's also have their own links up when they do it. Firing repetitive shots from anonymous safety is boring.

Thank you for paying attention from that other thread. Much love :)

Dj Shamann


I would tend to disagree and say, more frustrating than boring for some. If "you" find it boring then "you" have that option to stop reading or even posting about it.

Repetitive shots are purely for the benefit of others who didn't catch them previously.
I guess right now I'm more a thorn in his side, which is just how I want it "for now".

this was actually pretty cool. best of both worlds

this....

Maboza Ritchie,
It seems like you've got an axe to grind with bezzle. He's a smartass, but an alternatingly amusing and annoying smartass. Plus, when he wants to be serious he usually raises some good points. His smartass comments are good for a laugh or easily skipped over if annoying. take his shots for what they are... but you must've posted that "bezzle exposed" video (that you obviously spent some time making) in dozens of threads...
Watchwww.youtube.com
You could've spent that time and effort to make your own video and post it here. Put your money where your mouth is and post a vid. It's easy to talk shit when your skills aren't on display. otherwise stop trolling and turning every thread on the forums into a bezzle/ritchie flame war....

Of course you would, since you're the one posting without any links to your own stuff.

So let me rephrase that,

It doesn't take much balls for a person to go on a forum with a name that can't be traced to any actual work of his own, to make videos of complete strangers just because they don't like the way said person posts. It's the hobby of a coward. You don't like the way someone posts, man up and tell them without the mask. You want to post vids making fun of someone at their gig, have one of your own to back it up. Otherwise you just look like a "troll" and trolling is so 2001.




Option yes, whether I decide to exercise that right now is up in the air. But as you noted, i hadn't said anything until now. Personally I just thought it was funny that Bezzle made THAT much of an impression on you. (this is the part where you say he didn't, and you don't take it seriously, but your own admissions of why you did it say otherwise)






LOL is that what you think? You've got a LOT to learn.

See I don't get it; you get upset because MABOZA calls you a liar but you see it fine when you do it.


Case in point.


I can't believe you made me go in the attic and pull them out.


s1182.photobucket.com
Your turn.

I'm done with this debate; it's not worth the effort or the time. There are more important things to fight about, like Mac's vs PC, lol. jk.

Turntable's and Controllers= DJ's Forever

Peace all

that shit was like a "proof of life" video lol

send those to me, I'll have them looking brand new in no time


because

I LOVE TURNTABLES

i rather do not say anything else than

I LOVE TURNTABLES TOO

Daktyl

And remind me, what has that to do with you ?


I've not made any of those along the way ? like telling people that TT's are controllers and explaining why. I'm sure that one will be used for a long time to come in the "turntablev controller debate"

Dozens of times eh ? please back that up by posting the "dozens of links to those threads please" ?


The only skill I have seen so far of Bezzle, is that of being a smart ass.

Now there is a word TROLL and again, show me all these posts in "EVERY" thread that I have posted. If "YOU'RE" going to say something then why don't "YOU" back it up with proof of that instead of pulling figures out your ass.

Dj Shamann

Yet here you are still posting.

Dj Shamnn

Seems to me like you do

Dj Shamann

Is that right ?



Dj Shamann

So I've made an impression on you enough to go looking, otherwise how would you know ?
Dj Shamann

Let's just call this a level playing field. I've seen how the lynch mob work.
Maboza Ritchie


Dj Shamann

Well why don't you get out the way and let me learn then.

I'm boring and don't know what i'm talking about (based on 3 posts you read) yet here you are.
Maybe you should go back to the ITCH board cause you're more respectable with decent people.

DJMIA


Sums it up right there, I don't see why the TT users feel more superior to others based on just having TT's. You're all using Serato products yet bashing those with other controllers or ITCH. I could see more of a point if it was other companies software.

Untracking Ive had enough of this troll.

BTW, any other questions you may have regarding behaviour I think I'll let Bezzle and Shamann answer for me.
Dj-M.Bezzle

True that!
Dj-M.Bezzle

Got it covered :)

And Dj Shamann
Dj Shamann

Right on brother.

And the_black_one
the_black_one


So remind...what is it exactly that I'm doing wrong ?

Nicky Blunt

Keep in touch with yourself :)

LMFAO, simple psych for dealing with any bit...errr...lady, ignore em and they wont be able to stop thinking about you lol. Its all about first principles, Shamman. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?

lol @ the fact that you think you've made some ground breaking argument that hasn't been stated on this board a long time ago. The truth is anything that is used to control the mp3 is a controller. We all get that point. You haven't added anything to the "turntable vs controller debate". All you're doing is arguing over semantics and talking in circles.




When you read that first line in this thread and proceeded to post the BS that you have been posting, you became a TROLL.
And, if you really took the time to read the sentence you would see that this thread is not about turntables vs 'controllers'. It's about using turntables over midi controlled devices. Turntables may be controllers, but they are not midi-controlled devices.

THIS!!! I love it when people use this as an argument because they always overlook the next post i post which says yes a turntable IS a controller anything you use to control music is a controller but the point is that the TT is a BETTER controller that takes MORE SKILL to use. Even given the "cheats" of a program telling you the BPM of a song you still have to have the physical skill to throw the song the right way so that when the record leaves your hand its on beat steady with the song, the skill to keep the song in beat with WOW and flutter acting against you, you have a greater surface area in which to manipulate the song, and a spinning disk representing the movment of the acutual music. PLUS you have the added ability to turn off SL all together and play a real vinyl record so you have multi format playback abilitys. So yes the TT IS a controller and it is the BEST controller on the market and a controller that provides a more accurate display of the users abilitys




Midi control devices can acutually increase a set...WHEN PAIRED WITH TTS lol dicers, X1, HC-1000, all great tools that can be used to INCREASE POTENTIAL and add to a mix but are in no way replacements for a good set of TTs

Allright you own a pair of Techniques. My whole point is that if you're proficent turntablest nothing yet compares or outperforms a technic turntable and 99.9% of the time someone is making an argument that turntables are obsolete and controllers are an even match its because they havent mastered the skills needed to manipulate a 1200. Which is why I again remind you that every great turntablest dj I've aspired to be like STILL uses a technic 1200.
I see that your a mobile dj and in that case i completely understand using a ns7 setup for portability and face it at a wedding there isnt a need for juggling, scratching, and all that jazz. I still feel that if you were a turntablest you'd understand where a lot of us are comming from. and it deff aint trying to be cool or get old school cred.
Once again i still own a V7. (for the moment) To answer to why you cant find me all over the web is because I dont need to be. Ive been djing well before youtube facebook or even myspace. Im established in my area and i turn down more gigs than i take. I've been playing out 2-4 nights a week for 5 yrs straight. And to keep my word I'll post a video.
(them decks survive a fire or something?)

DJ ENUF

DJ ENUF

Logisticalstyles

Care to point me in the direction of a previous post ?
If so. I'll accept your statement and admit I was wrong in that regard.

Dj Shamann

Funny, I was thinking the same about some people here with regards to my behaviour.


Fact is, Bezzle posts in nearly every other thread in the "DJing Discussion" board, I have not attacked him on all his posts. I don't even enter the vast majority.
I have had run in's on 4 threads, yes 4, hardly a mission to seek him out and attack him.
I have had run in's with others also, not just him. I even got the answer to a question he asked that no one else helped with.
serato.com

Bezzle has posted in about 5000 threads (that's threads not posts) and this being 1 of those 5000.
serato.com

That is 1 that he entered with nothing more than the intention but to attack someone, so how many more out of 5000 are there like that ?.
We've all trolled threads at one time or another, I am not in an all out mission to attack him, it's all fun and by his own admission he see's that...doesn't he ?

My posts don't even skim the surface of Bezzles.

TURNTABLES ROCK!!!!!!!!!

Turntables rule controllers drool!

Also...Any individual who can spend so much time on the internet "AND" on a forum making so many posts (5000 threads in one forum lol) must have deep internoia issues, which in time will no doubt lead to ilogizomechanophobia.
"YOU" as the individual have to give the "impression of control" but what is going on in your mind that others don't see is being hidden by the "illusion of control".
Inside "YOUR" head is on meltdown. Coercive persuasion is all that is required.

I LOVE TURNTABLES!!

It just dawned on me that I've seen this whole argument take place before except it was 10+ yrs ago and it was called turntables vs cdj's. All us old vinyl heads said it would fuck up the game (it did) by allowing hacks to steal music and just burn cd's. All the cdj heads called us dinosaurs and said we need to embrace technology. Well a lot of vinyl dj's (me included) refused to convert and the turntable survived. And now the same arguments ensue over tt's vs controllers. And instead of cdj dj's feeling put down by tt users its controller dj's feeling inadequate.
To a true turntablist/scratch dj nothing replaces the feel of a tt. Someone said it earlier look at how many dj's that converted to or started on cdj's are looking for techs to learn on.
10 yrs from now I'm sure they're will bee some pretty cool controllers to use but I'm just as sure that me and a lot of others will still be rockin out on 1200's.

this kind of shit still ruins the thread

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$279 shipping... ouch!

Damn, $279 shipping? almost up to a G..... but not close to 10G's :)

jinx

lolz

you can't post until I say jinx 3 more times.

jinx


jinx


.......... :)

cgi.ebay.com only $2g's but willing to take offers.

jinx

10 years ?!?! i see this argument take place every 10 minutes on this board lol

all im gonna say is its a DVS, digital VINYL simulation, so no matter what controller you use the goal is to SIMULATE VINYL, and since turntables use REAL VINYL then anything else is just attempting to SIMULATE what TT users are doing

just to clarify,
I meant the pissing contest ruins threads and posted the link just to get things back on track.

I'm on the hunt for GLDs or LTDs, I love Technics that much.

I had this moment last Saturday during my gig.... I had two songs blended on the decks and just stood back a second and marveled at the spinning discs and how I had this new sound coming out of the speakers and if those records were just slightly off it wouldn't work. No sync button....just two precision instruments that I tuned myself working in harmony. It was one of those turntable love moments.

Can you guys recommend some good cdjs to use with the seratos?

....any

SO not true, at least if you want to be able to scratch, have your cue points work right, etc. :)

You COULD do it with a Gemini dual CD player, but you wouldn't want to if you have any self respect and like to put on a good show.

Most of the CDJs that you would really WANT to use are going to cost almost as much as turntables (or more).

Pioneer 400, 800, 900, 1000 etc.

Denon 3700 (there are some older ones that work OK too, but I had issues with the 3000s)

Numark CDX (buy a spare if you get these, though, as they tend to crap out)

...there are some newer Stantons too that look OK, but I haven't used them.

Cheap, low model Numarks and American Audios that I have attempted to use at bars that had them installed have given me nothing but issues, and always made me decide to bring my decks for all future shows at that venue. :)

Maboza Ritchie - is KING KONG in this bitch..

Slaying dudes 1 by 1..

King kong? More like trollzilla.
Only a matter time b4 the banstick whips him upside his harry head. He aint had anything constructive or positive to say.

correct me if im wrong (which i very well may be) but isnt CDJ the name for a pioneer cd player? for example the Numark CDX is not a CDJ, or has the CDJ term turned into a "coke" or "xerox" term where the brand name has turned into the common name for the industry

nah that dude wont get banned he knows what hes doin, best bet we have is hell get bored

just in case i am wrong ill reconstruct what i meant, any pioneer CDJ will work great with serato, some have native support which is dope but generally they all work about the same