I don't think I'd go 50/50 on any dj gear w anybody. Especially a dubstep dj. Everybody knows dubstep dudes ain't got no job. But to your question about sync. Nothing wrong with it when playing edm. Why wouldn't you use it. Doesn't take a genius to match two 70 bpm tracks.

honestly, im HIS situation, i cant even hate on him, if hes playing tracks HE PRODUCED then to hell with it he could even be using ableton because the key is hes presenting his work, mixing isnt the show its his product that he wants to put on display

Yep feel you 100% except since we got the decks he aint produced a tune. And hasn't mastered his work to be played live. He's syncing sets of all other peoples tunes. Funny part is he was hateing on a coupple guys who used ableton at a dubset show last week....I was like dude its pretty much what your doing!

LOL its like i said in another thread, its funney how in the dj culture if you cant do something its unnecessary and what your doing is way better lol

the sad thing is ...you cant blame him its the times

With the rebate I ended up getting my V7 and a flightcase for 300. If we ever have a fallout I can sell my half for a profit! lol at dubstep dj's not having a job...last week on facebook i seen a dubstep dj looking for a ride TO HIS GIG!

there's a couple "DJ's" in my area who play entire pre-planned sets on ableton.
I don't really care, but it is pretty boring to watch/listen to... but it's funny to watch them get flustered when someone makes a request :)

LMFAO, never thought about that but i wander how you explain that

customer : Excuse me can you play ghosts n stuff
DJ: Oh no, im sorry your a bit confused see im not acutually doing anything back here....youll need to ask the program about that

eggs-actly!

You wanna see flustered we were all at my boy's gig (hes on a 57 and techs) and he started dropping some dubstep tunes and he said to my roommate "yo heard you've starded djing dubstep you wanna throw a coupple tracks down?" (no sync on a tech) Roommate started mumbling some jibberish then ran out the door! I did feel bad for him (I kept his secret safe)

Does dj in question wear black frame glasses? Just seems to be a trend.

Lol! If he wore glasses they would be this^^^^
Its like Im watching my rommate turn into the hipster dj we all despise!
Do you own any vinyl? NO
Do you know how to beatmach? NO
Can you read a crowd? NO
Has he asked to copy my harddrive? YES!
And to top it off...
Is he getting gigs? YES!
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAW!

LOL...i had to quote that omfg..Most dubstep dj's I know are all pilled out so he's 100%

I just laughed our loud because this dude I know who has been telling me he is a dj for years now (hes always lied his ass off i asked what kind of equipment he used and his answer was "oh you know just the uhh..standard stuff") has gotten into producing and spinning dubstep and now he dresses and acts COMPLETLEY differently like he wears a pair of those black framed 3D glasses from the movie theatre and always wears bright ass colored hoodies and shit

oh and hes invested large amounts of money into hair gel

not every dubstep dj is THAT dude. I just saw a pretty slick dubstep set by Craze the other day and he was dressed in his normal Craze attire.

sync is it in the EDM world.

Recently saw a pic of Sasha playing and both his sync buttons on his X1's were lit up. He used them, and Sasha is as big as it gets in the EDM world.

Dubstep....mmmm, I think Skirllex uses ableton.

I think the whole sync thing is more acceptable depending on the genre.

the odd thing about it is i came into the wonderful world of DJing as an edm dj and the reason i expanded out into hiphop top 40 ect is because i got really bored mixing tracks that are made to be mixed and all pretty much the same BPM....i couldnt imagine how bored i would be if i had a button that took away the little bit of work i was acutually doing.

My thoughts on Autosync are the same as Qbert. If all you're doing is STRICTLY mixing from the end of one track to the end of the next track then you're going to look like a poser. BUT if you're making live remixes/mashups, utilizing loops, scratching, and doing wordplay transitions then using autosync frees up your mind for more creative aspects of your sets.

sounds about right

Yet another flame war starts about the sync feature. Here's my outlook on it, way back in the day the only way you could do an HTML document was to fire up of basic text editor and enter in your commands i.e. <body></body> texts and move on. Now these days almost no one does it like that. Now, webpages and become so complicated and interactive that it would almost be impossible to design webpages like that. Enter in Dreamweaver, coffee cup, etc. and yes the people who started using those applications caught flak from the hard-core coders and the like, And to some extent still do and always will. So if you want to design a webpage and concentrate more on the overall design and functionality instead of “nuts and bolts” you end up using one of these applications.

I liken this to the progression of DJ technology. I personally do use sync. I personally do know how to beat match and most the time sync doesn't get it 100% right 100% of the time. And I have to adjust on-the-fly. The reason I use it is because I'm more concentrated on the overall composition of the mix that I'm doing. I use a lot of loops, samples, effects, and scratching.

And what it boils down to is I really don't care if you think I'm a poser, if you think I'm being lazy, or any of that. And neither should anyone else. I've said it before and I'll say it again. “There has yet to be a button installed on any piece of hardware, that says make me a hit mix”

I mean hell Pink Floyd used to catch shit for using delay pedals!

Will somebody PLEASE give me some feedback on MY latest DUBSTEP recording mixed with NO autosync, just two turntables, like a REAL DJ? Feedback please. : )

soundcloud.com

where are you seeing a flame war, what im guessing from this comment



is your suffering from the self conscience state that comes with using it....sigh

I'll quote myself here

And here

LMFAO...see where did anyone call you lazy OR a poser?? Its all in your head dude

I'm done reading this thread say what you will

www.djjohnnym.com

lmao. you beat me to it...

Yea he's not utilizing any loops or cue points. Purely getting from track A to track B via sync. I've suggested to him that he learns to fully utilize the software I.e. loops cue points instant doubles. But it goes in 1 ear and out the other. And I kinda think he's hesitant to try anything using loops or cues (or any tips I give him) because none of his dubstep brethren use them so he won't either. (He's obviously very impressionable being new at everything) Which is why I wanna see him going in the right direction. Difficult even bringing it up cuz he gets salty so quick and I'm not trying to offend him.
Maybe Bezzle is right autosync creates insecurity!

never get tired of hearing that......it needs to be a shirt

That's a big Maybe!


So what's the verdict? Dj intervention? Or just let him keep following the heard of thick black glasses, bookbags, crooked hats, and neon threaded hoodie brigade? (Q. Why do they ALL gotta have their neon hoods up like its raining inside? Jk).



I'm leaning towards staying silent as hard as it is to do. Don't wanna knock him off his neon nikes. He's soooooooo about it! Reminds me of one of the dubstep 4 life kids from the parody video.

I wish this dubstep trend will stop! I like dubstep, but I'm more of a DnB fan myself.

So I'm working w/ these promoters on this pool party tomorrow, and one of them hit me on facebook w/ these links to this guys youtube channel (like he's putting me on something new) and I kindly explain to him that not only have I had a DnB radio show for 2 years, but dubstep isn't THAT new and I have plenty of dubstep tracks already.

it's just that central Texas is just now kinda getting on it (late), and you know how it is when the masses finally get exposed to something.

my advice is take him to see proper dubstep artists,

nothing was more inspiring than seeing Caspa do an all vinyl set and lugging it all away after, it wasnt a thousand effects on as many tracks, it took longer to mix in and out, but seeing him manually beatmatch on vinyl is something u dont see much of anymore..

often pressing sync means you arent listening to the music as much as you could be, not always, but quite often.. i had to teach my mate to get of the sync button, as we would gig together and he would be mixing the songs out before the crowd had time to react to the song he had just mixed in..

+1 for Caspa

i say leave it alone, there are 2 options that may happen, A) he finally gets bored doin what hes doin and desides to step up to the next level and learn some skills or B) hell get bored get a chick and leave it alone

I would let it go. The natural consequences of his decisions will eventually catch up to him and he'll probably realize that he should have taken the advice of a more experienced Dj and invested his time into learning the skill set...if or when he decides that the Djing aspect is more than just a passing interest.

I fucking loved seeing Caspa + Rusko rock an all vinyl set. The only effect they used was Rusko on his bass guitar and using a wah wah peddle!

And the beat goes on..... Update.
It happened again. My roommate got called out to throw some dubstep tunes down at my boy brians gig on a set of techs and a 57. Brian asked my roomie to come up to the booth, opened up a folder of all dubstep bangers and asked if my roomie knew any of the tunes which he said he did. But when brian said lets see it roomie freaked and ran outside. Another friend of mine brandon went out to check on him and he was "overheating and hyperventillating." Complanning that it was too hot in there and its not the same gear and that hes about to rock a 1,000 person gig in a couple weeks bla bla bla..... I've remained completely silent.
Moral of the story dont promote yourself on facebook as a "DJ" and dont start a "DJ______" fanpage unless your ready to swim with the sharks!
Im still not saying anything about it to him or anyone else. When hes ready to humble himself and ask for some lessons im all about it!

only problem with your analogy is whats "more complicated" about mixing now?
of course no one is going to type out html nowaday, but mix two records is 'too complicated'?

Ableton is a pretty powerful tool, and super creative. The drawback is that learning curve is extremely steep and most people will not put effort into learning the program. That's why most "DJs" that rely on Ableton are terrible.

I'm a big fan of producers using Ableton to broadcast their stuff, because it makes a lot more sense from a producer perspective on delivering your product to a crowd. That said, there is a very small window on when using Ableton is really a good idea. "DJing" with Ableton is suited for a music festival/concert because you've already set up your original stuff, planned your set, and know how you want to deliver it in layers to the crowd. If you want to plug and play different layers of a multi track recording into another multi track recording, DJing traditionally is simply not a logical nor efficient way to do this. You can also easily adjust what elements of your tracks you want to add in/remove by judging the crowd. This scenario makes perfect sense for Ableton. Unfortunately users that do this well are in a extreme minority.

The run of the mill Ableton DJ doesn't understand the program outside the basic tutorials and youtube tutorials. They can't design sets, and panic when realizing that Ableton doesn't belong in a club environment due to its limitations of being designed for delivering pre-planned sets to a specific crowd. Deadmau5 uses Ableton and uses it well because he's playing his original music to a crowd that's there to see him. This isn't the case with the average user.

pushing play on a pre-planned set in Ableton is not really "DJing"...

Thats why I put it as "DJing"

thats not exactly how it goes down,

if u ever watch interviews with these guys, they usually have hundreds of samples, loops and tracks that they have produced, that they layer live, and effect over live, so rather than a pre planned set, they have all these elements to create a performance on the fly..

that is still "djing" and it makes for a pretty damn good set as well..

People have been telling me "I wish this dubstep fad/trend goes away soon" since 2007! Hahahahaha!

that is definatley without a dout NOT djing, yes that is performing, and in essence it may be playing an instrument, but that is by no means DJing

quote fail^

whatever mate, am not even gonna start on that whole discussion

im mean seriously though lets look at it. If you sit at home and go through hundreds of loops and samples and combine them to create a musical product your producing. If you sit at home and spin records its called DJing, why would that change when you are in a club or in front of a crowd.

[edit] English[edit] Noundisk jockey (plural disk jockeys)

A person who selects and plays recorded music at an entertainment event or nightclub. Abbreviated DJ or deejay.


en.wiktionary.org

someone performing on ableton is selecting and playing recorded music at a nightclub, so by your definition they are a dj. your wiki link said nothing about records or "technic 1200's" or any particular method of delivery for said recorded music. dude with one ipod hooked up to the house system fits that definition. I don't disagree with you, I just think you proved call_dom's point instead of your own with that one

quote fail

a sample is not "recorded music" is a sound, a loop isnt "recorded music" its the building block of music, if your putting these pieces together live to make a song live your not "playing recorded music" your performing music

now if your using ableton to mix together tracks that are already done then fine you can be a dj but if your firing off loops and samples to create a product live then that by no means is "a recorded piece of music"

If your take bread, lettuce, tomato, and bacon out of the fridge, open them all up cut up the veggies and assemple a samdwich your cooking, if you go to the fridge and just pick up a sandwich that was left over from lunch time your not cooking your selecting

to put it in further context, deadmou5 dosent consider himself a dj

a solo instrumentalist is playing music. a recording of that solo instrumentalist is recorded music. a programmed midi file of a single instrument melody/beat/chord progression or a sample of a section of a song are sonically indistinguishable from such a recording. therefore if i have individual tracks of say, a beat, strings, bass lines, vocals, etc... they would be recorded music. If i then layer those together in front of an audience at a club, I am "playing recorded music" regardless of the platform I use for such a performance.

so a dmc style dj isn't a dj? all they're doing is "firing off loops and samples to create a product live"

no they are defiantley DJs, but they are not "DJing" they are performing a battle routine



acutually i would say you are arranging a series of sounds to create music not playing recorded music

then aren't dudes using ableton "defiantley[sic] DJs, but they are not "DJing" they are performing a controller routine"?

and besides, they are more than just the full loops full songs ways of using ableton, i know some dudes that use ableton just like a two deck setup with sample decks and mix from song A -> B, while throwing other loops on top of that. is that not djing?

sure, thats what i said earlierm, they are performing, you could even say they are playing an instrament

yes that definatley as ive said 2 timees already im referring to this

you could have stopped here lol... I already said I agreed with you, just playing devil's advocate

LMFAO ya im bored

I can tell, you're in about 3 arguments in 3 different threads already today

I just can't help but laugh at the image of dude running out of the club all hyperventilating when he gets asked to spin on records with no sync though lol

LMFAO!! Ya fighting a war on 3 fronts is alays fun....i cant help it that there has been next to no legitimate conversations on here in about 3 days, forums been mad slow recently

fixed

and blow...

Actually yeah samples and loops are recorded music. Recorded music that you can manipulate, but then again so is what we Dj with.

I'm not debating your stance, just correcting that, I tend to agree with the point that Dj Awyze is trying to get across..

i agree with him 100% as well

are we talking dubstep or brostep ? coz brostepper can just die already sheeesh

I'm old school and fully dedicated to my wheels of steel. But as far as this thread goes, if you can rock the crowd with an effing kazoo then just do the damn thing!

if you rock the crowd with a kazoo your not djing.....your playing the kazoo

+1 haha

True story x2


Even if you just bought that kazoo 4 months ago and you cant even play it unless the kazoo's software does the work for you? And your currently taking bookings to play your auto-kazoo? Still ok?

Oh boy, I'm gonna start trouble with this one.

From the perspective of a bunch of dj's somebody who can't spin on a real pair of 1200's is a chump. From the perspective of a bunch of people watching dj's, somebody who can't spin on a real pair of 1200's is a chump. From the perspective of a bunch of drunken hooligans dry humping in a bar or club where they can't even see the dj's equipment, the dj could be playing 8 tracks but if they like the songs being played its all good.

I'm not saying its okay. I'm saying it's a competitive market and if you're a real dj and you've been in it for a minute then you know 90% of the point is rocking the crowd, not showing off your turntables. Just real talk. I hate chumps that can't spin too, but it is what it is.

....i had surgery on my ACL, i didnt see the equipment or the staff but I still slept easy knowing that they knew what they were doing



Acutually i wish they didnt my homeboy just got surgey on his shoulder and the DRs FUCKED HIM UP and now hes getting a $650,000 settlment

im sorry but if all you know how to do is load a song and let the computer do everything else odds are you aint rockin the crowd

Thank god for that or we'd all be out of work : )

what's funny is how dub-step dude keeps making excuses, and seems to have no real desire to actually learn the basics...

you can see why he fits in so well

maybe the OP can use this to convince his friend to learn. "hey dude, if you're going to be playing out, not all systems are going to have auto-sync. why don't you learn the basics?"

Yea he ran into this very dilemma 2 weeks ago when he opened for Matty G @ Club Europe in STL. There wasn't any room for him to set up and Matty G was gonna make him set one V7 on the far left and one on the far right of his setup which consisted of 2xcdj's and 2xtechs. lol I did tell him its a good thing he does sync or else it would've been impossible. Apparently they found him a table and set him up right in front of a main speaker stack. Ouch! Still hasn't deterred him he's opening for Brandon S. In Peoria Illinois next week at a party called Spankalicious.
He's my roomate and 1/2 the rent I'm not trying to start a sync flame war in my own home I'm staying out of it!

don't bust out the flame-thrower on him, but try to get it through his short attention span exactly what mikeP just said...

see this is another great reason to learn the original way, if you want to sync up so be it but lear the basics so that when your the opener (aka the guy noones there to see) you dont require half the staff giving your setup all the extra attn the headliner should be getting, i would be embarrassed having to have them go out of the way to set up the kids table for me rather than play on the same thing someoen who obviously knows what hes doin plays on

Wait a minute, This guy can't even beat match and he's booking shows in different states? Really? WTF?

Who does he know? That just sounds crazy.

How much does he charge

wow thats funney so what your saying is everything i said about autosync for the last 3 years that people said would NEVER happen...IS HAPPENING, wheres all that "the creme always rises to a top and people will never rock a crowd without knowing the basics" talk now

Don't underestimate the ego of a 4 month fresh microwave dj he's gonna ride this to the top if it will take him there (which he's convinced of). He's definitely convinced me that at least in the dubstep arena you can get up and play out without knowing how to beatmach without the aid of sync. Now weather he's getting paid anything is another story.
I do think ima say to him " hey its cool your playing out but wouldn't u like to kno how to use other setups?"

I wouldnt say anything... he'll either get into other stuff eventually or give up because he is tired of doing nothing...

My bro-in-law considers himself a DJ because he likes music. A few months back he bought some gemini TT's and a mixer that costed less than the RedBull on my desk. i've never seen it with the power on. But he's a DJ now too... FML

This has given me a great idea, dubsteps starting to catch on around here, i think im gonna go buy an NS7 then find like 5 clubs duechebags and ask them if they wanna get mad pussy and free drinks, im gonna show em how to use the sync button then go to some bars in my area and tell them im with a crew of bad ass dubsteppers and for us to do a show ill have em all come for $75 a peice rather than the $200 they usually charge individually, then ima let these D-Bags spin and let em feel all cool with their free drinks and ill just stop by a the end of the night and collect my $375, those guys will be so hopped up on look at me im a DJ juice theyll never even THINK their supposed to be getting paid to do this especisally since they put ZERO money or time into startup

Still don't think beatmatching using pitch bends is a skill worth preserving, it's on it's way out, all the kids will be looking at us and wondering, why?

Does it add to a performance? More often than not, screwing up just takes away, but perform it flawlessly and even DJs will think you're using autosync.

I wonder, what's the ****ing point of babysitting these mixes when I could just get the PC to do it, it it just to show that I can? Honestly, I'm far more interested in screwing around with loops, or maybe seeing if I could drop another track on there, but I'm always going back to nudge the decks. Any other profession, automating the stuff that's simple to automate is a step forward. It's the tradionalists who'll get sidelined.

Saying that, autosync guys don't seem to realise it's possible to change the BPM during a set.

I want to personally thank you for pointing out there the faults in your own point so that i didnt have to, thank you sir

Yep thats what ive been thinking too. Its actually happening! And I've got a front row seat.
This will work! I guarantee it! The GM of the main dubstep club here in STl is Red 7. I play here now and then for their mainstream crowds. The GM is my soon to be bro in-law. He says they love the dubstep nights cuz all the free dj's it brings out. They split $150 between like 6 of em!
At the end of the day I look at what I get paid to do 2-4 nights a week and no sync button can read a crowd like I can. Cant pick the perfect time to drop the bangers to set people off. And cant be creative enough to incoporate requests into my fast pace high energy sets. Dude would shit his pants if he tried to handle one of my gigs. Thats why I get the bucks and he gets dirty hippy dubstep friends with no car or jobs. I kno i said i was gonna speak up to him but i kinda wanna watch this pan out its interesting to watch happen after all the speculation of what sync would do to the game!

Yeah and these kids are also looking at systems that aren't there's and |wondering" how the fuck to use them if it ain't their own bedroom crutch set up. Who gives a fuck what these kids think when we're in a thread discussing one that hyperventilates when asked if he wants to throw a couple of records around.








Is it? So what you're saying is guitarists on stage all automate their playing yo sync with the drummer so they can focus on the more creative stuff like paying with their pedals? I didn't know player piano's were still in fashion, where do they hide those giant rolls that make them run?

If you're going to try and use other professions as analogies at least try and make them relevant.

And LOL @ babysitting a mix, is it really that hard for you, so hard that you can't play loops without sync? It makes me laugh when people say stuff like "well if you're using creative stuff like loops and cue points"... hey creative geniuses, we're using them now just fine without all that mess! When did loops and cue points become such an advanced technique?

If you want to look for excuses fine, but don't talk about other professions using automation when it has little relevance, and if you think it's babysitting the mix so much that cue points and loops have now become a difficult task, maybe you need to work on this thing of ours a little more.

*aren't theirs and *wondering"

And on topic, LOL @ dubstep Dj's needing autosync when 9 out of 10 tunes are 70 BPM.

LMAO


had a chat with a friend from the states he says dubstep is getting big there , when i ask what kind of dubstep there , he send me a skrillex track ......... crapness , crap crap crap crapness thats a frikkin brostep T_T the scum of dubstep , thats a cat gettin its throat slit and sampled

All well and good, but one person can make albums from their own bedrooms, automating every single aspect of it. It's not like there aren't that many bands who have drum machines as well as or instead of drummers.



Didn't say I wasn't managing it, just wondering what's so bloody important about beatmatching if it's not really adding anything, I'm not looking to play notes on it, I'm not carefully crafting subtle off beats. All I'm doing is matching a bpm then nudging it, it's hardly playing the guitar or the piano.

But when they are on stage, they have to know how to play on time, drum machines or not, the players still have to know how to sync with each other without the aid of a button.




It's not adding anything? So to you if somebody beatmatches or trainwrecks there's no difference in sound to your ear?



If it's not as hard as playing an instrument, why the need for a button to do it for you? That's the main fault in the "it's so easy" argument.

You're the one that talked about other professions, I used one that is relevant to music. It's about being able to play along with another member of the band who is doing something different ie. beatmatching without needing a sync button.

NOT ALL DUBSTEP IS 70!!!......some of its 140 LOL


Auto-sync guys find someone older and ask them why that jokes funney

lol........ok getting ready to use one finger to hit the botton to load\mark the loop......OHH NO THE BEATS OFF......must......use.....other hand to....knudge..........AHAHA ,....damn im good




Really because i can point out several threads from tbis board where people purchased things online and the automated system fucked it up, even if it was the users fault try getting someone on the phone to fix the issue. Most people perfer to shop at places with life customer service. How about food, places like mcdonalds pretty much automate everything, conveyor line meat put in an oven thats automated to a certin time and temp, but its the restraunts with the live cooks that can charge $15 dollars for a hamburger and get 5 star ratings while welfare moms are supersizing their frys.

also if you dont see the problem with having autosync allow anyone and their mom become an instant DJ please referr to post #1

Well that's the thing, when you do it perfectly, it's sounds just like autosync, so what's the point, is it just the challenge?



Yeah, but's not like the other guys are figthting to stay at different beats, it'd be nice if the other record would try to keep up once ya know?

yeah, maybe I'm lazy, don't reckon it's the most important thing and it seems such an easy thing to do, you work hard to achieve something a machine could do perfectly.

It's called practice.

*cues Allen Iverson*

Its called skill, the idea is if your good you can make it sound automated...if you cant you sound like shit, this way we dont have people like Exizibit S up in post # 1 opening for skrillex because he bought an NS7 the week before



in ONE sentence you say its the easiest thing to do then say you have to work hard to do it?? Do you people read this stuff before you post?

And just fyi on his fb page he lists himself as a dj...








...and he has an artist fan page of himself as well. This is SERIOUS!

www.lebasketbawl.com

LOL, i THINK I may have you beat. I met this guy when i moved to mobile from NOLA, well about a year after i met him he got a construction job where he had to travel alot, so i would see him in the club like once every 2 months and id ask how he was doin and what he was doin and he would tell me that he was on tour traveling as a dj (LIE!!!), so one day im drunk at the after hours spot so i start playing along, i said i heard you good....what kinda equipment do you perfer, he says "oh man....you know.....just the normal stuff.....nothin fancy"..lol then i asked him oh so like turntables or cds...".....YA"...ya what which is it, turntables? ..."Oh ya i usually use turntables" ...cool shit bro thats what real djs use, which model??..."uhhh it dosent matter whatevers there". Then he tried to impress me saying "I dont even get fucked up anymore cause you know you gotta be on point when your spinning" lol so i told him, really mabye you need more practice ebcause im TORE DOWN when i spin. He then changes his story and says he gets pretty shitfaced before he spins now.

Fast forward about 6 months hes finally BSed enough people to get on a flier, the dj before hims finishin up, dude walks up puts the headphones on starts actin like hes cuin up a song (cds) and i SEE HIM WITH MY OWN EYES kick the surge protector and kill power to the whole place (speakers tables, mixer), then he looks pissed, looks at me throws his headphnes down and says MAN YOUR EQUIPMENTS FUCKIN UP IM NOT DEALIN WITH THIS and storms out. He does TWO MORE SHOWS where something "comes up" and hes got to leave before he spins.

Heres where it gets funney.....hes latched onto dubstep HARDCORE and he changed his whole image, he used to be like button down shirt clean cut, now we walks around EVERYWHERE in neon hoodies, the 3d glasses from the movie theatres, tons of hairgel, neon cheap headphones on, skinny jeans and hipster shoes. I havent seen him spin live but i think hes playin premade mixes because he brought one of HIS tracks up to my spot for me to play and it was a bassnector track.

It's called fun. Remember the first time you mixed two records together perfectly? The thrill? The rush?... oh you don't? you had autosync instead? Let me tell you my friend, you missed out - BIG TIME

+1 plus its one of the many aspects that seperates good djs from bad, im uber competitive and like to know that i can do X Y and Z better than the guy next to me and if i cant it encourages me to practice and get better, what fun is it if everyone sounds the same

tell your friend the early mover of dubstep like benga, Digital Myztik,Skream,steve gurley,zed bias and almost all true dubstep DJ's are turntable rockers


unl;ess your friend is in to brostep , in that case he can just die already

how about this, why are you screwing around with and samples and tracks for live, you do realise you can automate this by being creative at your house on your own time, just record all that into one track, do you realise how much more time your have to be creative if you automated like this

@disgrace, Just to make it clear, I've never even used autosync. I've always been using tts, why do you think i'm on this forum?

Seriously, when it comes to good dubstep mixed straight up on technics and a Sixty Eight, look no further than the link below
soundcloud.com

you obviously never met my old drummer lol... dude would speed up/slow down... all over the place. I wish I had an autosync button for him back in the day

Maybe an intervention for him...?

Not just an old drummer but any drummer with a band that does anything more than a 4/4 constant for an entire track.

I hope everybody that's too cool for sync is driving a stick shift car.

acutually i am

Ha! Dude needs to network with my roomie! They could be bro-step-bros!

yup, 5 speed, vtec fa sho, no auto sync on my decks, no auto sync on my car, no auto sync when I'm up in your girl... sometimes its slow motion sometimes its harder better faster stronger sometimes it nice and slow

now why you had to go and bring my girl into this, I told ya mama that I would keep our dealings on the low, but now I gotta put her on blast haha

It has nothing to do with being "too cool for sync" and everything to do with knowing that someone with NO dj experience can pass as a dj, get booked, and lower the standard for EVERY other dj that has actual skills. If you havent seen the degradation then your not apart of any music scenes. It has run rampant the last couple years and is only getting worse.

exactly, BTW good job on the car example because in a race between 2 cars with the same engine the manual has the edge

yeah yeah yeah, all valid points. But all the disliking in the world isn't going to put the genie back in the bottle on sync. Why even waste time complaining?

because being complacent solves even less than complaining does

true, but I don't think there's anything to "solve" here

all problems have solutions

Yeah, the fb pages are easy to setup, and yeah, I DJ, not often, but if you found my face book page you prob found my bookings too. It's not huge, but I play what I want, people stay and drink and dance, it's fine for me, but I still practice and want to get more bookings.

I can beatmatch ok, and I've got to admit, it all adds to the set, there's a lot of showmanship that adds to it all.

I'm pretty much set on getting the SL4 as I reckon I could do 4 decks, but I'm terribly tempted by the new version of traktor too. Honestly, I'm not having a go at all you SSL fans, just been wondering myself.

you guys realize it doesn't take sync to fuck shit up in a scene.

Shit is absolutely brutal in my city in terms of pay and most people here are still using serato.

Undercutters are undercutters regardless of the medium - sure sync makes it easier to get started, but ultimately, what made it the easiest is the ease of getting music nowadays - no one bother to actually learn the craft when they immediately have access to tens of thousands of songs at their fingertips - all for free.

you are correct but sync just takes it a step further, an undercutter used to be able to get all the tracks he wanted free but sounded obviously new because he fucked up every transition, sync just gives them a tool to take that a step further and seem THAT much better and get away with it that much longer.

and there we have it, the same person who said this




also says this





lol, that explains it...its like i said earlier....i think scratching is on the way out its a worthless waste of time and no one even wants to hear it anyway....that being said i cant scratch a lick even though i have practiced every day for hours for over a year i just cant wrap y head around it

Well I don't scratch, and most of the time, I really don't see where it would fit in my set, it can also be downright irritating when overdone. Also I would say scratching is completely different kettle of fish to beatmatching, it is expressive, I just don't see beatmatching as expressive. Before anyone jumps on me, yeah, there's some really cool turntablists, it's just never something I've seen myself doing. Still give it a go every so often, but I'm still shit at it.

As for the showmanship aspect, well, twiddling knobs adds to the show too, lot's of DJs do that, sometimes without even doing anything, and I know it won't get me no love here, but screwing around with the pitch sliders could be seen as doing exactly the same, it's just doing it for the sake of doing it, it's not required. It's just showing off.

Even if I had autosync, it's not suitable for all tracks, but really, if you've got to tracks of quantized music you want to match perfectly, yes you can do it fine by hand, but you'll never match the speed an accuracy of the machine, you're not doing anything creative with beatmatching, it allows you to do creative stuff, but it's not creative in itself. It's pretty much just mechanics.

thanks again for proving my point, never thought someone would do me the favor of quoting the point im trying to make then providing me with a persoanl example of why im right lol.






You do realise that there IS alot of work going into "knob twiddling" it serves a purpose in mixing its not just for show??



STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF THE CREATIVE STUFF THESE FEW SECONDS ARE ALLOWING YOU TO ACOMPLISH



Knowing how your cars engine works and how to maintain it can save you alot of time and money and keep you from lookin like an idiot when some mechanic tells you your car only runs on super special oil and you need to pay $200 for an oil change and windshield wiper replacments lol




....are you being seriosu right here?? You think moving the pitch sliders ARENT required and are just for show??




isnt that the same as saying pushing the EFX button allows you to do creative stuff but isnt creative in itself lol??? LMFAO at "pushing sliders isnt creative so cutting out that step leaves me to be creative enough to push a button" also LOL at moving the pitch sliders to "show off"





If you have 2 DJs mixing by hand there will be subtle nuances on what they sound like because of the different minute points and speeds of the beat match, autosyncing them will make them sound IDENTICAL, which one is adding to the final product and which one is taking it away by making everyone sound the same. Its like saying making a noise with your voice is just mechanics and showing off why not use software to make everyone sound like an alien

You may be a good DJ but the more and more i read what your writing the more it tastes liek pure bitterness and not having skills others posess, im seeing alot of "im ok at it" and "i cant do that" followed by how they are not necessary or not needed. I feel that its not so much you feel they are not necessary so you dont do them, i think the reality is your not as good at them as youd like to be so you write them off.

You kinda sound like the parent of the kid on the basketball team whos kid sucks ass and sits the bench whos protesting that all kids should get equal playing time

I'm not sure of the point, are you having a go at me for not scratching?


Of course, i do my own twiddling too, but you got to admit, some djs do it just soo they're seeing to be doing something.



Personaly, it's those extra seconds I want, to mix it in a bar or 2 earlier, I could probably get a 3rd deck to do want also.



Maybe not being clear, if you can use the autosync it then it's not necessary, it's something you effectively do the same way everytime that you could just automate easily and not suffer any differnce.



In a way, yes, pushing the button sets off all sorts of automated effects, beatmatched to your music. For the sliders your over simplyfying it, theres plenty I might want to change with faders from each track to the next, making them impossible to automate in the same way you can with beatmatching, which is the same thing every single time, I hardly ever want to deliberatly want to put a track out of time.


Why would they even both be playing the same set? In terms of importance, so long as both djs get the beatmatching right, it's right down on the list of how I would differentiate DJs.

WTF, screwed up that post, give me a sec, I'll clean it up.

I'm not sure of the point, are you having a go at me for not scratching?


Of course, i do my own twiddling too, but you got to admit, some djs do it just so as they're seen to be doing something.



Personally, it's those extra seconds I want, to mix it in a bar or 2 earlier, I could probably get a 3rd deck to do what I want also.



Maybe not being clear, if you can use the autosync, then it's not necessary, it's something you effectively do the same way everytime, you could just automate easily and not suffer any differnce.



In a way, yes, pushing the button sets off all sorts of automated effects, beatmatched to your music. For the sliders your over simplyfying it, there's plenty I might want to change with faders from each track to the next, making them impossible to automate in the same way you can with beatmatching, which is the same thing every single time. I hardly ever want to deliberately want to put a track out of time.



Why would they even both be playing the same set? In terms of importance, so long as both djs get the beatmatching right, it's right down on the list of how I would differentiate DJs.

Well I don't mean to come off as bitter, I'm quite happy with my beatmatching skills, but I also see that autosync is just a simple DJ tool, it was inevitable, it's not going to end DJs, and more people are going to use it.

Now that I see Traktor can do it, and yet still have control with the turntables got me quite tempted, that is all.

easy because a popular DJ who knows what hes doing does a set and a guy who bought an NS7 who has no clue wants to sound like him and with autosync with 0 practice he can duplicate his entire set (if DJ A is using autosync)




Comon now son your stretching here if beatmatching is keeping you from mixing in a new track yuo got problems, also those 2 secs shouldnt matter the 1 beat is the 1 beat at the same time every go around, are you just throwing in tracks anywhere you can or are you mixing on beat?



The point is i gaurentee that if you had scratching DOWN to a science your entire opinion would change, ive noticed with DJing its the skills that people lack that thy usually downplay



if both DJs are playing the same set and both are beatmatched how would you differentiate??

thats the problem, you really cant look down the line can you

Sorry mate, I just don't see the point, maybe that's the thing, i normally differentiate by the music they play. If you want to have a beatmatching competition that's fine, there's nothing stopping people from not using auto. DJs using autosync have to differentiate in ways other than beatmatching.

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kill yourself

I really don't think you can either, it's all doom and gloom round from you. Autosync is not replacing the creative aspect of djing.

I pointed out "the point" you as a great experienced DJ does a set using auto sync, some guy who bought an NS& THAT MORNING whos not a DJ desides its a good set and he wants to be as amasing as you and gets the exact same tracks in the exact same order and goes to another aclub and plays your set.....since the computers matching everything up for you isnt he now as a 1 day old DJ as good as you?? What distinguishes yuor set from his??

Ok why in the last week have we had 2 threads abotu people who dont even know how to DJ getting gigs left and right and a kid whos been djing for 1 month asking what equipment he should buy from the 6 top tier club gigs hes played??

Mixing on beat, but there are still point where I just can't do it fast enough. I think the argument here is, it's more difficult, therefore you must do it, just to show you can.




I do have other tricks, beatmatching isn't my only thing. But still, what you going to do? form a union? stop them playing? You're the one who sounds bitter here.

Makes me wonder if I could do it too. Then the clubs will have 2 autosync djs to choose from, I'd have to show off some other way to get the job.

Still,it's nothing new to get some people getting all the fancy stuff and calling themselves whatever they want, some people are just born bullshitters.

yes it is more difficult and yes that's why we do it. same reasons steroids arent allowed in sports, stock car racing has set standards that cars cannot exceed, real singers don't use auto-tune. you're looking at it as a job (hey if i can make my job easier why not). we are looking at it as a skill and passion. you should think about getting into accounting. i here there are programs that do all the work for you nowadays.

*hear

I see beatmatching as the accounting of the DJ world, my main passion is the final result, but I have to crunch the numbers to get it done.

Ok if your only worried about the final result wouldnt it be easier to record the entire thing at home get it PERFECT then just play the mix at the club.....since it dosent matter how you get there right?? I mean that would make for a final better product with 0 chance of errors and it would make you job at the club easier cause youd just have to stand there right?

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Ami bitter that people are bt

^ i gotta figue out why that happens

Am i bitter that people who have no passion or respect are getting a free pas

^ WTF DAMN AUTOPOST

last time

Am i bitter that people who have no passion or respect are getting a free pass into the thing i love more than anything else in the world? YES I AM! Am I bitter that sucker DJs who dont know any better are lowering MY wage for a craft ive worked for years to get good on? YES I AM! Am i bitter that other people in the craft dont seem to give a shit that its going down the toliet quick? YES I AM! Am I bitter that by the time im traveling the country as a headliner im prob gonna have some highschool kid whos been spinning for a week bitching because my equipment is taking up all the room on the table and he has to find a new one? YES I AM!

Should we form a union, of course not thats ridiculous but we can stand up as carriers of the art and stop babing these people, stop catering to the whining on the boards, stop catering to their equipment demands, if you have a residency and some kid wants to hook up his NS7 tell him to fuck off announce him on the mic and let him have a crack at it on yuor equipment, call em out in public make em prove they know SOMETHING, lets bring back battles, lets shart showing people who the REAL DJS are. can we change it...YES WE CAN



This has been a message from Barrack O'Bezzle, a change we can all believe in

Oh come on, this is just stupid. I can't believe you think manual betamatching is so important to a DJ set, is that all you see in a dj? As soon as they don't beatmatch by hand, whatever they do isn't worth listening too?

damn near every DJ on legendary status has said, on record, that the foundation for ALL types of DJing is beatmatching and mixing. YES IT IS THAT IMPORTANT!!!

don't you see that beatmatching and mixing are the very core, heart, fundamental foundation of DJing. without that you're NOT DJing.

how can you build a house without a foundation? soon that house will come tumbling down.

Uhmmmm, look, sorry, really, really, sorry, but a computer can do it for you now and no one can tell the difference except when the human screws up. Keeping the beat is important, how that's done is changing, now it's a lot easier and we're doing it the hard way.

then why are you using turntables at all, youve said you dont scratch, and you dont want to manually control the pitch....so why do you have them at all, just run in internal more, it would be easier and more effective

Sorry im not manually beatmatching because its cool or in style ect ect....i do it cause i really really enjoy it, its 25% of the fun of djing and id much rather do that than stand there smiling at everyone. It dosent matter how far tech comes ill be doing that if for nothing else than to keep myslef busy

i wonder if film photographers were crying this bad when digital cameras got big?

and i go back to my original response to you...
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kill yourself

acutually they were and are because now everyone things they can go out and buy a digital camera and call themseves a pro, look on craigslist and see how many adds there are for "pro photographers" who charge next to noithing and no nothing about lighting, scenes, angles ect ect ect

Its acutually one of the senarios closest to what the DJ game is goin through

exactly,

now there's autofocus and auto balance correct etc, and there are a ton of people calling themselves photographers, and still I know a lot of people that ARE pros and that ARE getting the money they're worth. this is life! we all just have to step our hustle up and differentiate.

I still use them for audio scrubbing, it's what I'm used to, tried jog wheels long time ago and didn't like them, might give them another go though, actually considering a controller.



It's not like I took up DJing yesterday, beatmatching isn't so much of a novelty anymore, and I'm not saying I hate it, though it prob sounds like I do. I don't want to stand there smiling at everyone, i want to see what else I can do if I free up the beatmatching. The exact ins and outs of whatever it is I'd do, I don't know, but that's the point isn't it? to find out?

last night, I was mixing, using loops, on turntables, no auto-sync, reading the forum, editing images in photoshop, and updating the club's and my own websites. I can only imagine how much more I could accomplish if I had autosync!

www.djjohnnym.com



you know you can mouse click right...wouldnt that be easier lol, i mean in esssence are you really saying you have a 50 pound $1000 technics mouse?

You mention mixing loops, you'd need three tables to do that at least if the software didn't loop if for you, should I bitch at you for that?

looped intros and accapellas, if you really need me to clarify SMH... and yes I used to rock 3 decks in the vinyl days

and now you are seriously reeeaaaching... I was just making a funny, a joke, an amusing comment, geez. take it personal

Not found a better way of going through a sound file than the deck, but jumping is easier with the mouse. But yes, I realise I'm pretty much going to make them obsolete. They've had a good life, but it's not like I'll ever be getting rid of them, they've travelled with me so far, and I still need something to play my vinyl.

Don't take it too personal either.

is this what we've come to? really?

Watchwww.youtube.com

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put em on front street! lol

And that's what it boils down too, because you're not as good at it, you want a button.

And this is what it always boils down to with a lot of posters on this forum who pull the "it's just beatmatching, i could be doing other things" because if they were good at it, they could beatmatch and do all those other things too.

I beatmatch, scratch, play with FX, cue points and loops and I don't need any button. hey give me something else to do even because I actually DO have a few extra seconds.

I used to run 4 decks in the vinyl days, and you're telling me nowadays you need a button for those "extra seconds"? No, what you need is to put in some effort. Something that nobody seems to care about anymore.

+1 i always hear people say you need it for 4 decks...the reason 4 decks is impressive is EVERYONE AINT SKILLED ENOUGH TO DO IT, its like beat juggling, it used to be the SHIT to juggle a beat down to nothign, no we can twist a knob and scut a loo and have DJs doing 3 times a song and its played out and borring

Shhh I'm listening to reason... Lol

Indeed, and the thing is, it's a skill that can be learned if people put in the effort, and that's when it becomes like "wow, do you see what that guy's doing" but once you add a button, who cares? If you really want that many decks and "extra creative time" why the fuck are you using Serato? Just cop Ableton and call it a day because now you're just going beyond what we're talking about, and way beyond what any crowd is going to understand. That's another funny one too, they like to use the "oh the crowd doesn't care" argument, do you really think they give a fuck if you have those extra seconds to run 7 decks, play with FX, sync a live clarinet, bake a cake... and so on? No, so just mix the records guy and stop your noise.

And I still want to know what this extra creative stuff is that they can't do it without sync? Because every explanation I've heard is something I can do without it, so until you present to me something that i can't do, or haven't seen someone else do physically... I'm just not buying it.

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Ableton is a much better choice if your main focus is on loos samples and efx ect ect. Even this i personally really dont get, like I can kinda see building tracks through ableton to make unique productions live in an EDM sense but for your normal nightclub senario i dont see any practical application, for example this was posted in my bridge thread Watchwww.youtube.com its kinda cool to see and i can kinda see it in a EDM specific performance but i dont see any appliction for 99% of crowds out there.

Ive read in several places over the last few days that THIS is whats gonna distinguish you because crowds are sick of whats on the radio.....i dont know if the people saying this ever go to clubs but in every clubn down here ALL THE CROWD WANTS is whats on the radio, they dont even really digg remixs anymore so theres no way they are digging this, so its not the crowds that are sick of these songs its YOU whos sick of them, its like me personally I love alot of songs AS IS, for example (random choice) I like backseat, so if i want to hear backseat and the dj says sure, let me take that accapella and break down into 6 sec samples and remix the words then play that mess on top of an ableton drum and synth pattern im gonna tap out real quick, there we go now ill add a phaser and a flanger and a sX echo and whala......IM GONNA BE PISSED because its no longer the song i want to hear and 9 out of ten times (and this INCLUDES the vid i posted...not dissin the vid i know it takes talent) but most of the time ITS a really ANNOYING final version.

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HAHAHAHA

See, the problem with ableton us that it actually takes effort to learn how to use.

That's time wasted when you could be doing something creative.

Double HAHAHAHAHA

even if ableton is "more suited" to whatever, that doesn't mean people have to use it. Maybe they like using serato/traktor. Maybe they are more comfortable with the workflow, and them being able to loop and sample and use fx in their program of choice is a plus

But Serato doesn't have all this extra shit that they complain about needing for their big creative sets either so they can like it or lump it.

Goes both ways.

Why not go with what's more suited instead of trying to force things on a program that probably isn't going to go there anytime soon?

I use serato, i like it and im comfortable with the workflow so i think ill use it to prepare my taxes next year....what it dosent do that?? THEY NEED TO ADD A TAX FEATURE, acounting is the future people i dont see how you cant see this

+1 sorry i dont go into the burger king near my house and throw hissy fits because they dont make dominos pizza, why should they because DOMINOS ALREADY MAKES DOMINOS PIZZA AND THEY MAKE BURGERS, which would be the better course of action, write letters and start a forum campaign on the BK site about how they should sell pizza or call dominos and have it at my house by the time i get home

I don't even know why StreetFighta took it there, this conversation isn't about ScratchLive, it's about autosync... so basically if they want all that shit, they need to use another program, if they want to use Serato instead of the program that is more suited to them, than they're S.O.L.

also if they spent HALF the time learning ableton that they do protesting for complex new feature in software that wasnt meant to do these things they ould be more than knowledgeable with the software AND the workflow

I said serato/traktor. itch and the bridge have some of those features right? and y'all are taking my words out of context.

besides, if people only did what they were "supposed" to do with the tools they have at hand, then the world would have far less art than it does

its fine to use a tool in ways it wasnt meant to be used, but if you cant find a way to make a tool do something quit trying to get the tool changed and find a tool that works

are we talking about getting sync added to Scratch Live in this thread or are we talking about the existence of sync in general?

no clue its hard to tell what people are talkin about from up here on my soapbox

Then use Itch, what's the problem here? We were talking about all this extra madness that these people claim they can do with the aid of autosync, if the program you use doesn't have what you need, use something else. These people are claiming they're going to be up there like Enferno but can't describe exactly what it is they need to do other than "I could use those few extra seconds"

And to that I say bullshit, because there are plenty of us that can do all that and then some without the use of autosync, so if they need something even more, time to pick up Ableton or some other program because what they're describing no longer resembles simple Djing (even though they claim "the top 40 crowds just want to hear their songs" so i don't know why they need all that anyway)

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You're the one that said "but some people like using Serato" and to that I said tough rocks.

I LOVE using Ableton at home, but it doesn't suit me (as you said) in the field so I don't use it.

If they want to use a large number of decks, and FX, and autosync and loops and so the fuck on and so forth, they're talking about a wwhole 'nother ballgame and need to use something more suited to that instead of making up all these stories about "the creative stuff" they could be doing.

Enraged? HAHAH what are you simple?

chill bra, it's only a funny jpeg.

I'm more than chill, just laughing at that being your first response to a valid argument.

and if you really wanted ableton to work in the field, you could make it is what im saying. sure it might not be as simple, but it can and does work.

you're probably saying "why would I go through the trouble of warping files etc when I can just mix it live. easy peasy"

and sync guys are probably saying "why would I go through the trouble of beatmatching, when i can just sync it? easy peasy"

side note, im playing devil's advocate on the sync issue since their aren't too many users on that side of the discussions here

A) But I don't want it to work in the field because what I'm using currently suits me better.

B) What these guys want from a program DOESN'T work regardless, so go use something else.

That's the argument.


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And this?

Nonsense.

Ableton will not work in a Dj set without having to warp and set markers first if you want to use external songs (not your originals)

But Djing you don't need autosync.

That only makes your points less valid because you don't actually believe them, you're just saying them for the sake of saying them. Why mock something that only help cheapens the culture?

throw some 4 to the floor into ableton and tell me how much adjusting you need to do. it's damn near automatic depending on the style of music.

because I learned to dj on straight vinyl, went to straight midi and sync, and now i'm on timecode vinyl, so I have both sides of the coin under my belt

You still need to set markers. It needs to be corrected, I don't care how tight your song is, with long samples it is almost never correct on the one.

So you should understand why the whole "I need sync" argument is lame.

yes, the "I NEED sync" is lame, but I don't see syncing itself as a problem.

agree

Then why argue against what i'm saying for the sake of arguing? My whole point this thread has been that I don't buy the "I can be more creative" argument more than I suspect it's coming from people who have a harder time holding a mix without breaking concentration. They need to admit that they can't walk and chew gum at the same time rather thaan trying to sell these bullshit "extra few seconds" stories to those who know better.

You're only fueling the fire of the lazy and effortless Dj's and distracting people from the valid points by playing Devil's advocate, especially if you're not effectively countering the argument.

But it is if you need it.

;)

I gotta git da funk outta here in a sec anyway.

Sync + Dubstep = Massive failure waiting to happen.

One thing I found in the past with any software that auto syncs, its crap at it if it can't see a definite 1, 2, 3, 4 beat.

He needs to learn how to count, sync is for beginners, and when being lazy on the sofa with no decks using traktor ;)!

Plus I thought dubstep was 140bpm...

nah alot of its 70 lol

I keep all my dubstep in the 140 range, that way it doesnt mix in with my hood shit.

I think im big meech!

LOL

www.yourremix.com

man, brostep is so terrible...

Want to make a few things clear ( again)

i'm an ssl user, yeah, i used to dj with vinyl, then i got serato, and it opened a whole new world for me, now i got midi kit, and i'm hardly touching the decks anymore, except to keep them in time. I can still dj without autosync.

I'm getting to the point where i'm thinking of the sl4, because i'm running into points where my 2 decks aren't enough, but that sl4 ain't cheap, gonna have to get a new mixer to go with it too, i'm looking at options.

Now, i apreciate that some of you are incredibly good at this stuff and put a lot of hard work into it, but at the end of the day, there's stuff out there that makes what i want to do easier, but many here think i should be honour bound not to use it, that's all it seems to come down to. I do it this way, so must you. I haven't seen a single argument along the lines of "i add something to beatmatching a computer can't", it's just "i can do it, fu".

I've got ableton, tried djing with it, but i don't think it's got enough freedom to improvise. Considering itch, but i also feel it could be limiting.

It wouldn't matter how good i am at djing, how fast i can beatmatch, the beatmatching is only noticed when you screw up that one.

Well that's about all i got to say about it, prob pissed you all off, but just leave you with this, i'm still pretty much on the fence with it, i worry that if i do switch, that there will be something missing from the act, i also wonder if you can take it further.

to be honest, with all the microwaves and their auto-sync nowadays, i don't mind screwing up (slightly) every so often just to let people know I'm actually doing this shit live.

It's also why I'm trying to up my scratch game a bit more cause at least it shows i'm still doing this shit manually.



sure there is - you just have to create the right template and set with all your tunes available in a ordered fashion. It'll take a TON of work to set it up properly tho which is I guess where a lot of these auto-sync guys tend to balk at... you know, that actually working to improve their skills and all...

@soo on last paragraph, the key word was improvise, setting shit loads of templates for every direction i might want to take isn't really what i'm looking for.

umm.. wats dubstep?

Here we go...

Can someone explain the difference between 'DUB" STEP and "BRO" STEP. And if there's a "SIS" STEP or "CUZ" STEP throw those in there too.

is cuzstep like dubstep remixes of dirty south hip hop? you know, like "what up cuz?"

Don't forget rub-a-dub-dub-step!

And when they created the La-z-Boy everything went downhill from there, people these days want to be king in a matter of days w/o effort

Djs were using 2 turntables (sometimes 3) and a 4 track for mixtapes. When these abilists were performing live and needed a loop they would put a sticker on the vinyl so it would "skip" to loop the section of the record. There were no machine or program to do it for them. They counted and matched by ear with no waves or beat counter. Some even put in the effort of counting beats with a stopwatch and putting the bpm on the record itself in their spare time. Legends were born when they applied these basic steps and put passion and the will into this art.

Your roomie and some of the posters in this thread are just complaining about that age old rule of working hard.

All i know is brostep sucks!!!

theres one in every family

And the best words of advice i could give an aspiring dubstep dj..... Go check a rusko,caspa, benga,scream or digital mystics show....

you must be living under a rock... the scratch scene is alive and well. i usually agree with you.

bez... i'm not attacking you but, this is the dumbest shit i've ever heard you say dude.

read it in the entire context of the post. he was being sarcastic to prove a point. sheesh

Although im sure they would appriciate seeing the right way to get down....wouldnt faze em. The dark side of the auto-sync force is strong young luke!

+1 lol nothing better than someone calling someone else dumb when its them who isnt grasping the situation, nonplus please reread what you quoted the purpose of the statment was to illistrate that typically DJs will belittle and downplay things that they are incapable of doing

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If i were in your shoes i'd just let him do whatever he wants, just let him mix the way he finds it easier at the end of the day hes just sounds like the type of person thats just gonna make it easy on himself anyways.

sorry bez... i didn't have time to read the post all the way through... my bad homie. there are actually quite a few dj's from my area that can't scratch and hate so i thought it was more of the same.

all good

I don't think I've ever heard of someone putting a sticker on a record to have it skip to make a perfect loop....
Stickers on records to mark queue points for scratching maybe.. To make a loop you would just have to mix back & forth between two of the same record.

... has timed a lot of records with a stopwatch....

ive seen\done the sticker loop technique

yup, tape a penny to it if you don't want the needle to hit the sticker (the side of the headshell will hit instead). than and a "rock-n-play" and yer in business!

I rememebr at one point i was tradin vinyls with one of my boys and he had one in there that looked like it had a box of office supplies fall on it lol, all kinds of different color and shaped stickers EVERYWHERE he was usin to mark spots and make loops

All I know is in the midst of all this smack talking nobody can explain the difference between "step" genres? All I can get is "it sucks"? Can't one of you Bubba Gump Slingblade ass self-righteous $h!t talking experts stop b!tch!ng long enough to throw together a description?

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rob, brostep is the name for more popular of the subgenres with the focus on the midrange synths and heavy lfo changing:

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"real" dubstep is more mellow and focuses on the lower end mostly.

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thats a general difference between them

Man I dont even know where to start.... but there have been some astonishing revelations to this whole situation. To put it frank the brostep musta gotten to my ex-roommates head and yes I said ex-roommate. He got the boot. Dudes been getting on my last nerve for some time now and has been comming up short/late on bills all the while throwing $ around on b.s. (such as the $800 kimber .45 pistol he bought, more on that in a second)
It all started on wed the 18th when i was doing a moblie gig for a softball tourney for all the firefighters/ems in the St louis area. I took the 2 V7's (one's mine one's ex-roomie's[had 3 crashes in 7 hrs but thats off topic!]) In the middle of the gig dude text me all wondering why the V7's weren't at home cuz he had a gig/houseparty that night (I've been using the 1200 lately) and as we know dude HAS to have the sync feature for his "set." Well I said i ought to keep it till he gives me the $ he owes me for breaking my axiom keyboard and back bills (wasnt going to REALLY keep his deck just needed to call him out) and dude freaked out and went off so I told him to get the eff out. His name aint on anything so no legal attachment.(dubstep dude go figure)
Well I get home at 4pm and dude is sitting out front with most of his property in the front yard. I figure good dude got the point and is getting the eff out and i start to head inside. Turns out he wasnt expecting me home so early. He yells to me "hey so this is how its going down?" To which I replied "you moving out yea thats deff how its going down." He then inquires about his V7 and i ask about my $. He says "yep i figured thats how you'd be so i already jacked your shit!" I look over to his car and my flatscreen is in his back seat. Now this dude is like 3 yrs younger than me and i got about 30 lbs on him and he knows he does not wanna fuck w/ me. I say "you aint taking shit!" and start to turn twards his car and the fucker reaches down to his waistline and pulls that $800 Kimber .45 which he got 2 months earlier and has never even shot and points it at me.... WTF!
Im like 2 feet away from him so i instinctively lunge twards him grabbing bolth his arms tying him up while trying to keep the pistol pointed down. By this point theres like 5 different neighbors watching and yelling that the cops are comming. Hes starting to get free so i just shove him as hard as i can, he goes down to the ground and i quickly duck around the corner where my apartment is and proceed to grab my shotgun. Neighbors said he got up and ran to his trunk to try to hide the pistol. Cops were there and had him detained before i came back out. He got charged with 2nd degree assault and unlawful use of a firearm bolth are felonies. This occured 2 weeks ago and after talking to mutual friends and piecing it all together I think what dude was planning was to rob me and hold my ish ransome until i gave him his deck AND sold him my deck and case at the discounted numark rate of $399.00 (after all this b.s. went down dude still has been messaging me about buying my V7!) Dude was supposed to play a houseparty that night and had a big gig @ spankalicious opening for brandon s. that weekend so it was paramount to him that he got his autosync decks.
Even his old friends that i know have been going on about how he changed so much since he got into the dubstep and how this is so not like him. WTF?
Oh and btw heres his "artist" like page. www.facebook.com
Im amazed with how quick someone can change on you. Dude used to be all right. Just 5 months ago i was bringing my techs home n hooking em up in order to let dude learn the ropes and now all this....SMH!

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LOL @ using ransom and numark in the same paragraph, leave it to a fake dubstep DJ to hole $3000 worth of shit as ransom for a $300 controller lol

Is he under the impression you guys have the last 2...have you explained to him that these things are mass produced and you can buy them in stores....online evvvven

LMFAO, after reading that last paragraph i felt like i had just watched an afterschool special and was expectin barbra walters to walk out.....parents, do you know if your kids are using auto sync..please be aware of the signs, are you hearning an obnoxious wobble bass vibrating your walls at obscene hours, is your child frantically pushing random buttons with his finger repeatidly, is he opening for big name artist but still cant figure out his ipod, there is time....you CAN help

good riddance...

lol good riddance to bad dubbish

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Thus why i don't go halves on anything with anybody, haha. Especially with dubstep djs!

You can always tell someone who uses autosync because theyll usually break a sweat when operating a doorbell or using an elevator.......its always a blast to see them subconsciencly trying to sync the beat of the elevators msuic with the door open and door close buttons, as annoying as this may be they come in handy if you ever spot a valuable item in one of those claw arcade games

Hey if you want to smooth things over with him send this beezoblog.com to 12inchskins and have it made into a laptop skin

Dude lobbied all of his friends to bail him out so he wouldnt miss his Spankalicious set. So next day on his fb page it was all big ups to him from his boys for getting out so he can "rock that shit!" Dude was stupid enuf to not defriend me so i seen all the posts. Dude lied to his boys and said there werent any charges filed. Well i got on there n posted links to the charges for everyone to see. BLAST! His boys all started in with telling me how it doesnt matter that i took his V7 cuz he bought another one already. LOL meanning that he lied n told everyone that i took HIS deck. Well i straightened that out as well. So dude did buy a new one and now wants to take it back anf buy mine. Had to cop one asap when he got out not like he coulda used any one elses gear!

Parents be warned! Autosync and brostep can be dangerous!

Nice!

lol good advice! That was a first and a last!

Someone please summarize what happened in this thread. Last time iI checked it, it had 20 messages....

Joke fail

My roomate and I went in 50/50 in a pair of numark v7's a couple months ago. Instead of learning how to mix he went 100% autosync, started to get bookings to open for headliners, bought an expensive pistol in an attempt to be more of a "DUBTHUGG" and decided to pull it on me when i caught him trying to rob me. REAL TALK!

You went in 50/50 to buy 2 things. Couldn't you have just gone 100% on one thing?

hahahahahaha great thread ......

I like both "Brostep" and what many consider "Real" Dubstep pretty much equally. Does this make me a bad person?

I posted the last comment after only reading the first half of the thread. Didn't realize the story got so heavy, and entertaining. Please continue.

I was at parties when Bad Boy Bill was still on B96. My best friend's wife graduated with Richard Humpty Vission. The EDM scene was built on positivity, peace, love, and designer drugs. This whole movement toward my house music is better than your house music and all this other nonsense is STUPID. Most of you have entirely missed the point that this genre and all of its sub-genres was built on.



Nobody should ever have to ask that question? It shouldn't even be a joke. The only question should be when and where is the next party and who is playing it because its all beautiful. You people are making it like some east coast west coast Bad Boy VS. Death Row bulls#!t. Get serious.

+1

I hate genre snobs.

fffft.

my genre could totally beat up your genre

Gold, pure gold!!! I love you guys!!!



So I guess pulling a pistol on your roomie and jacking his V7s is not up to your standards of PLUR, amirite?

^^^lmfao! My concern now is dudes street cred is gonna go through the roof! I mean hes kind of a scrony dude but now hell he got charges its official!
If you see a kid opening up for skrillex and hes syncing on a set of V7's thats my boy! Feel free to say whatsup but u dare not insult the DUBTHUGG cuz he might be packin'!

Not anymore if he is a felon lol

Man, you think I give a fuck about a montherfucking red light? Fa$$*% cops can't touch me. I'm out here smoking weed, speeding, all that, dawg. Fuck that. That's me. Untouchable.

Even the title of this thread had me smiling. It's so long I have to read parts as and when I get time, and I'm still only part way through, but man, there've been a few good laughs in here. Keep it up fellas.

#Cues up soul 2 soul- Back to Reality (how ever do you want me)
.........steady are you ready? whats going on!

lol quote...REEEMIXXXX

he should just record a mix on cassette, that way he can just bring a walkman and plug it in with an adapter to RCA... people would think he was awesome! How many people do you know who can rock a crowd with a walkman?


on another note... glad you didnt get shot...

nothin beats the warm crackle of analog tape

You know if you ran that walkman to a poineer effects 1000 you might be on to something! The set would still be automated and he'd have all the time in the world to jump around and get extra creative on the effects! Win!

Thanks!

Can someone please call MTV, I want the tv version of this thread please.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

When I was on the radio, we had a reel to reel... i use to record phone calls on it and i'd scratch it too.. lol worked great for a little while, but the tape would stretch and break

Cliffnotes for the newcommers




(bezzle starts an argument)




(autosyncer offended)




(bezzle continues to argue)



(bezzle crakcs jokes, tests new autosync comedey routine)

sounds less like dubstep did this as your ex roomie is a psycho that can't handle the attention he gets from djing.

dubsteps not to blame here.....



























AUTOSYNC IS!!!!!!!!!

Wow, read the whole thing, just wow. Thread of the year!! :D

Now thats what I call creativety !

+1 though....i myself have to wonder what direction the thread would have gone had the OP got shot, obviosuly still would be thread of the year but ya gotta wander if there would have been a tone change.

Enuf, can you do us a favor and send a link to this thread to a close friend, tell him to keep us up to date just in case your ex roomate ever gets a hit single and decides to buy a tank or a jet pack or something

Its all relative. From him knowing that i know hes syncing to the pressure of being an overnight dj opening for high profile dj's and to the change in dress and attitude to him buying an $800 .45 pistol. (which from the get go all i could think is wtf is that dude doing with a gun? all hes doing is trying to be hard, knows nothing about firearm safety and is going to end up getting in some serious shit!) But if you've been to a dubstep show n see how the younger generation acts it all makes sense.
The timing of all the events that have transpired is what has me cracking up. When I started this thread i never would've assumed i'd be explanning how dude pulled a pistol on me! Its like my spidey sense kicked in. I knew SOMETHING was gonna pop off....diddnt think it might have been my head!

Oh believe theirs outsiders monitoring this thread! Dude himself might be hip to it. Hell this thread could end up being state evidence!

Yeah, good thing there was a "happy" ending. Personallhy glad I live in a country where no one is allowed to buy handguns, but thats another story. (just a personal remark, not starting another debate in this thread.)

yea, i remember seeing the same thing happen with dnb - all these little suburban wannabe gangsta thugs who would get their asses kicked for trying to act hard at a real hip hop night started getting into dnb since ravers are generally harmless.

It's too bad dubstep - both in music and following - has gotten to this point - shit was pretty amazing not 5 years ago when guys like Skream or Caspa or Loefah were the top dogs. Now I have to deal with garbage like Skrillex and Exciscion...

Not that dude posts on here but he did have some stability issues with the v7's..... He IS a registered member here.

probably a good chance he's been doing a ton of drugs at these parties too...

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your honor the defense calls DJ MBEZZLE to the stand......hilarity ensues

what drugs do kids do at dubstep parties nowadays anyway? last I heard it was all about the ketamine, but that could just be a west coast thing...

Hey, 'm a dnb dj of 13 years ;P



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lol yea i've had discussions with some older heads about how this all reminds me of when the DnB scene here went thugg life too. I began my dj career playing dnb and wanna be thugg b.s. is why i got out! Still rinse the classic 12'' at home tho. Ganja kru, True players, Ram records, Metalheadz, Moving Shadow ftw!

i'm sure you know exactly the kind of element I'm talking about then :P

i got out when the music started heading too far in the direction of clownstep - too much pendulum, fresh, and the like and everyone else trying to copy that sound.

funny how the exact same thing is happening to dubstep...

Man they do shit nowdays that ive never heard of. Roxy? Dmt?

dmt? at parties? I thought that shit basically puts you in a coma for 20 minutes while you dream of crazy shit. sounds like the most boring club drug ever...

never heard of roxy before but it sounds like it's slang for oxycondon which is basically an opiate painkiller.

yeesh, kids these days...

lol dude your crazy parties are the best spot for shit liek this....i mean..not that i would know i mean i just you know it sounds like it

lol

at a club this weekend, hott chick offered me a drink.

1st question: is there a rufy in it?
no
2nd question: are you a dude
ha ha ha no

One of my all time favorite movies

DMX haha. speeding and all that