Nice to hear your thoughts. I like the controller as well. However, I didn't get much playing time with it. Mine is on the way back for a replacement. Line in 3 with Serato DVS was defective. I too am a direct drive platter fan. I currently have the Numark NS7 III but after playing with the MCX8000 I may decide to sell it in favor of the Denon. I still have a Pair of SC3900's so I'll still have that feature with those.

That's excellent news! I'm trying to do a serious comparison between the MCX8000 and XDJ-RX to help me decide which one to buy. Yesterday I got the chance to try the XDJ-RX at a local DJ-store. My experience was even better than my expectations. So I'm really interested in hearing from someone who has tried both of them.
Have you tried the RX as well?

I haven't had the chance to try out the RX.

How is the sound quality? thats gonna be very imortant to me because my ddj sx sound quality is poor..

oh and nice review ithink you covered evrything i wanted to know except the sound quality

Sound quality is great. I tested the controller using the XLR master and booth outs. The overall sound is loud and very clean.

have you ever used a ddj sx or sx2? can you compare the sound quality to the denon?

I have used the SX2 and I can say that I preferred the sound quality from the Denon and better built too.

thanks

I forgot to mention another cool feature of the MCx8000. There is an extra usb port on the back. I plugged in my 1 TB G-drive into it and it read it with no issues at all. This feature is VERY handy especially for Mac users.

The Numark NS7 III has that feature as well.

I was VERY tempted to buy a NS7 III. I definitely like the direct drive platters on it. The overall size and weight of the unit is what stopped me. I needed a unit that was more portable because I am a mobile DJ. Another reason I did't buy the NS7 III is because I had ALOT of issues with a previous Numark product. I use to own a pair of Numark CDXs. Those units were known for having faulty cd drives. I spent more time (and money) sending the units in for repairs and replacing the CD drives then I did playing with the units!

Thanks guys for all the review.
I'm impressed to all this features , I don't know if I'm going to wait for bigger plater like pioneer sz .
It's been 7 My djm800 and cdj800 mk2.

I hear ya Chino. It's a much heavier piece than the rest. But it's a pretty solid controller. You know it's well built if it's that heavy. Like you mentioned before, would love to see the MCX8000 with direct drive platters. I'm waiting for my unit to come back so I can really test it.

Support just emailed me and verified that in the Denon MCx8000…

"The hardware and software masters are controlled independent of each other as the MCX8000 is also a stand alone mixer"...

so what I identified is NOT a bug. It's designed to function that way.

^With SDJ's new re-mapping abilities, you might be able to link them up yourself.

Thanks for that suggestions! I completely forgot about that new feature in SDJ. I'll have to try it out.

How is the platter size compared to the SZ? Nobody seems to have them available in my area yet to check out.

its much smaller...word is it feels good and very responsive..

The platter size is the biggest win for the SZ, but the unit itself is too big IMO. I miss my SX. This looks like a great alternative.

I'm assuming you can't adjust the tension on the platters?

I know it has three effects built-in - does anyone know if these would ever be firmware upgradeable? I believe they're software, not hardware?

What are the negatives?

^^^ You can adjust the touch sensitivity and the brake but not the overall platter tension. Not sure if the effects are upgradeable via firmware. That would be a nice if it could be upgraded.

I have discovered a major issue in round two of my Denon MCx8000 controller testing. After about 2 1/2 hours of running SDJ 1.9.0, the master output begins to distort badly. It's to the point that the music stops playing. This also happens if I run SDJ 1.8.2. I've optimized my MBP, replaced the USB cable and the XLR cables but the distortion still occurs. I've tried using another USB port and did a clean install of SDJ but that does't correct the issue. It's also been tested on another MBP I own (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD) the distortion still happens. The weird thing is that it only happenss when I have the controller connected to my computer using SDJ. I've tested the MCx8000 in standalone mode for 3+ hours and it works fine with no issues. I opened a ticket with Serato Support and Denon DJ. They were both sent multiple videos of the master output distortion. Denon indicated that I will be receiving a phone call today with a possible fix. I'm hoping the controller just needs a firmware update but I didn't see any news of a new firmware update on their website. I will provide an update once I hear back from Denon and Serato Support.

The plan was to use the MCx8000 for an event I have this weekend. Looks like I will be using what works….. Scratch Live. I'm really trying to give SDJ a chance but all the issues I've experienced so far make me question that decision.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD

That's a shame. Sucks for you. :( Can you fix it by restarting?

Please update this thread with what you find.

^ I tried restarting the computer and the controller multiple times but the distortion is still there.

I did receive a call back from Denon. The rep was very helpful. It's nice to experience good customer service! Denon's rep is checking with development to see if there is a possible firmware updated that will correct this issue. I received a controller from the first release batch so it's definitely possible that there is another firmware update. As soon as he finds out he will let me know.(fingers crossed!)

Hey guys, what of the Mic section of the controller? Dose it have full kill? Am using Denon mc6000 mk2 while waiting on this might controller mxc8000. On my 6000mk2, when the Mic vol is at 0, you can still talk over the microphone which i don't like and Denon rep said thats the way it was built.
Pls can someone confirm this for me? Dose the mxc8000 HAS full kill on the mic section.

I just tested it out for you. It has FULL kill on both Mic 1 and Mic 2. You can NOT hear anything with the Mic volume turned to 0. The Mic volume is loud and clear too. I use an EV R300 Mic and a shure SM58 wireless mic.

I literally have my MCx8000 setup on my kitchen table so if you need me to check on anything else just let me know. I've been testing the MCX8000 out for the last couple days to make sure it can be used at a live gig.

Wow thats good news. Thats my only concern about denon. Am using MC6000mk2 and I like it a lot but d mic section sucks without full kill on their gain control.
Thanks again for checking that out for me.

i haven't had a chance to test my mic yet. is it a mic sensitivity knob or a mic volume knob? i believe the 6000s had a mic sensitivity....which is why the mic was still able to be heard with the knob turned down, depending if the person speaking was a naturally loud speaker. i felt this was annoying as hell too.

How is the feel of the performance pads and the play/cue buttons, and are they rubber or plastic?

Sounds very familiar to the bug on the NS7ii. Very upsetting because it took 8 months for Numark and Serato to fix it. Stuff like this NEVER happened on Scratch Live with Rane hardware.

@FredrikA...the pads are made of a a silicon rubber. Similar to what the new Rane 57mkII pads feel like only much larger. They are really responsive and have a nice overall feel to them.

*UPDATE* Round 3 of the Denon MCx8000 testing has begun. Let me start of by THANKING Denon in particular Rich Muggle who is part of inBrand's Support team. Rich went above and beyond today to correct the distortion issue I was experiencing. Yes, it is frustrating when an expensive piece of DJ equipment does not work right. What is even more frustrating is that most companies neglect the customer support that is needed after a purchase has already been made.

Today Denon showed me what type of company they are. Their representative, Rich, personally called me to fix the issue. He listened, was knowledgeable and truly demonstrated that Denon cares about their customers. As it turns out, all I needed to do was update the controller's firmware. The new firmware is MCU 2061. I have not experienced any more distortion in the two additional hours of testing that I have done since updating the firmware.

This experience has taught me to appreciate good customer service. I will continue to buy products from companies like Denon, Rane and Serato. It also made me realize that sometimes I may be too critical of Serato. I was quick to blame SDJ when in fact all I needed was a firmware update. I agree that SDJ has some BIG shoes to fill. Scratch Live was and STILL IS an EXCELLENT DJ program. Is there room for improvement in SDJ? Yes, but I do see SDJ maturing into a stable, reliable DJ software program.

new firmware?

@ Chino is the new firmware posted on denons website? Thanks in advance

PREACH!!

@skinnyguy & dj Krazey Leo… My MCx8000 was part of the first batch of controllers sent out with an earlier firmware. You may already have the firmware version that I updated to. To check to see which version is on your controller:

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until your in the UTILITY menu
2. Scroll down until you see SYSTEM INFORMATION
3. Under SYSTEM INFORMATION you will see Engine Version & MCU Version
4. The latest Engine Version is 0143. The latest MCU Version is 2061.

Thank you I'll check and see.

Hello Everyone,

This is Chris from Denon DJ. Thanks Chino for posting your directions! Everyone, please follow it as it will help you navigate and view your firmware version on the controller.

If your MCX8000 has a firmware version that is below MCU version of 2057, which we find to be highly unlikely, then please contact Denon DJ technical support right away to rectify this - denondj.com.

Any distortion, latency, wave form or platter sensitivity issues can be rectified by reverting your MCX8000 controller back to its Factory Default settings.

To perform this..

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until you're in the UTILITY menu.
2. Scroll down until you see MAINTENANCE SETTINGS.
3. Under FACTORY DEFAULT, push in the SELECT/LOAD knob.
4. Turn the SELECT/LOAD knob until you see OK displayed.
5. Push in the SELECT/LOAD knob to revert your settings back to Factory Default.
6. Push in the VIEW button one time to exit these settings.

For any additional MCX8000 questions and help, review the following guides
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - Video Tutorial - Watchwww.youtube.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - Frequently Asked Questions - denondj.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com

To contact Denon DJ Support, log onto denondj.com.

I got 2058. Should I update to 2061?

Engine 0138

Same here...2058 / engine 0138.

Now that my output distortion issue is solved I've decided to tackle the problem of SDJ's random audio drop outs. I've found an excellent article on Troubleshooting USB Audio Artifacts/Latency by Numark. The link is below:

www.numark.com
QUOTE:
"It is absolutely not necessary to set the Buffer Size as low as possible to achieve minimum latency, especially considering latency times less than 10ms are getting into the realm of being indistinguishable by humans. It may not be a problem when you first configure it, but once you add tracks, instruments, and effects, you will quickly encounter audio issues."

After reading the Trouble Shooting Guide, I decided to do some experimenting. In Scratch Live I usually keep my USB Audio latency at 2ms or 3ms. This works because SSL runs efficient. In SDJ I keep my USB audio latency at 5ms to compensate for all the extra effects, plug-ins, etc. I now need to consider that the screens on my MCx8000 depend on midi info sent from the USB port as well. That being said, I bumped up the USB latency to 10ms on SDJ. I also adjusted the Midi Trans Interval setting on my MCX8000 controller to 10ms to match SDJ.
This made a HUGE difference in the overall performance of my controller with SDJ! It gives my CPU some breathing room and DRASTICALLY IMPROVES the responsiveness of the controller!!
Hopefully this will help some of you eliminate audio drop out issues and improve controller responsiveness.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD

As I said everyone, if your MCU version is BELOW 2057, ex: 2052, then contact Denon DJ support. 2058 is the correct version so you don't worry about anything.

The initial firmware on my MCx8000 was MCU 2052. That's why I needed to update the firmware to fix the output distortion issue I was having. Most if not all the future controllers being sent out are already shipping with the correct firmware. It's still a good idea to double check, though.

Thanks for clearing that up Chino!

Just installed a mini innofader into the MCx8000 today. Real easy to do and the fader feels great!

That's great to hear Chino! Thanks for posting back that. Should've posted back some pics! ;)

Everyone else, this step-by-step guide walks through on how to replace the MCX8000 crossfader - denondj.com.

The Denon DJ MCX8000 can be used with the mini Innofader PNP P - www.innofader.com.

I would really like to see a review soon since a lot of people already seems to have it. For me it's either this one or XDJ-RX. I just can't decide which one to buy.

Yes, waiting for a proper review too.

Hey Guys,

Here are three reviews that I saw online of the MCX8000 that you guys can check out:

• Denon DJ MCX8000 - DJ TechTools Review - djtechtools.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - Digital DJ Tips Review - www.digitaldjtips.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - DJWORX Review - djworx.com

Hi NumarkChris. All of these are from January, and seem to be more of a list of features and first impressions from NAMM rather than someone who has spent a while working with them… Anything more recent?

I will show people what the MCx8000 is capable of once it's PROVEN to be reliable for gig use. That means I plan on taking it out on a couple of gigs to see how it handles a 4-5 hour event. There are numerous vids on YouTube describing all the features and build quailty but none of them really demonstrate all the features in live use.

I will say that cutting and scratching on the MCx8000 (especially with a mini innofader installed) is really good. The adjustable touch sensitive platters feel great. The screens make it easy to do turntablist tricks like beat juggling and body tricks. Using the pads to play with the new Keymode feature is super fun! I also appreciate that the MCx8000 has the ability to be used in USB standalone mode in case something goes wrong with SDJ. The MCx8000 is functional, well laid out and just plain FUN to use!

+1

man, i noticed it's making my 2012 mbp run cpu a lot higher. i guess it's for the denon displays. any chance we can get an option to turn those off in a future update? software or firmware?

but it seems to still run kinda okay. was running 2 hd videos with mixemergency. and only testing out to see if i had to re-map stuff....which i didn't! =) maybe because the mapping is similar to the 4000? everything seems the same for the most part so far.

@skinnyguy… The screens DO put a strain on the CPU. I've spent the last couple of days trying to optimize my MBP. I'm running a mid 2012 MBP myself. This is what I've done…

1. Raised the USB audio latency to 10ms
2. Lowered the Max Screen Refresh per second to 20sec
3. Lowered the Auto gain to 90db(and I keep the SDJ master volume at halfway)
4. Set the MIDI Trans Interval in the MCx8000 to 3ms(it's located in the UTILITY menu)
5. UNCHECK the Enable Output Lighting in the MIDI Presets menu in SDJ…. I was having additional distortion issues that the firmware did NOT fix. Doing this COMPLETELY fixed the distortion issue. I also reported the issue to Serato Support.

After doing all this my CPU never goes above 10%. I can run SDJ with Pitch N Time and Mix Emergency 2.7.1 all at the same time. It would be nice to have the option to turn the screens off. Actually, it would be nice if Serato included some additional CPU and GUI optimizations in the next SDJ roll out. Maybe Serato will fix the wave form lag issue in SDJ 2.0.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD

we got same spec lappys, incl os.

also, i was looking at the wrong thing. i was looking at my temperature via smcfancontrol, not the cpu meter.

however, it did run hotter than usual so i'm sure there is more cpu use somewhere.

i also don't normally run PnT so that's another factor too. but it's oh-so-sweet with the 8000.

QUOTE:
"Michael R 4:38 AM - 30 June, 2015
Hi Yona,

Thanks for the information. I'm afraid that there is an issue with the TTM57MKII on 10.8.X where audio distortion can occur after some time. We are working with Rane on this issue, our recommendation for a work around is to upgrade to either 10.9 or 10.10.

Cheers,
Michael."

@ Serato Support, Chris from Numark/Denon DJ or anyone who can help with this issue. I've experienced a similar distortion issue while using the Denon MCx8000 and OSX 10.8.5. I have opened a ticket but I have yet to receive an answer from Serato. I've tried a different computer, replaced the USB cable, replaced XLR cables, followed Serato's optimization guide yet I STILL have this distortion issue. It just happened to me today within 15 minutes of playing music. I also tried using a different USB port. This distortion makes the MCx8000 unusable for live gigs. Is there a work a round? Do I need to upgrade to Mavericks to prevent the distortion from occurring?

Below is what I sent to Serato Support:
Apr 9, 12:09

I previously reported an issue with master output distortion (Ticket# 174841) coming from the Denon MCx8000. Initially, I thought this was corrected with a firmware update provided by Denon. Unfortunately, the distortion has returned with a vengeance! The distortion happens randomly anywhere from 20 minutes into a set up to 2 1/2 hours into a set. The distortion becomes so bad that the music just stops. My master level in SDJ is halfway. My library is fully analyzed in SDJ. I can reproduce this using SDJ 1.8.2 and SDJ 1.9.0. I have tried replacing the USB cable and XLR cables. I also tried using the RCA unbalanced master out connection. The issue is still there. I have tried using another USB port and also another computer (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500GB SSD). To clear the distortion I disconnect the USB cable and plug it back into the computer. This is a very temporary fix because the distortion returns within a few minutes. The distortion does NOT occur when I use the MCx8000 in standalone mode without a computer connected. I have tested running 3+ hours straight without any distortion in standalone mode. My computer is fully optimized after having followed Serato's Optimization Guide. The PRAM has been reset. There are no corrupt files on my 1 TB external G-drive. I can reproduce this issue with Pitch N Time on or off.

My computer specifications are:
mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD

MCx8000 Firmware:
Engine Version 0143
Display Version 8661
MCU Version 2061

Steps taken to correct distortion issue:
1. Lower Auto Gain to 90db
2. Raise USB Buffer Size to 10ms (from 5ms)
3. Put Maximum Screen Updates per second at 20sec MAX (initially at 40sec)

After 3 days of exhaustive testing, the distortion has improved but was STILL there. I initially thought unchecking the Enable Output Lighting in the SDJ MIDI Preset window would help. It did not fix the issue. I need to find a solution to this distortion issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

I didn't have a chance to check back. My initial problem with the line 3 DVS not working turned out to be a firmware issue as well. The same deal, unit shipped out with older firmware. I'm still waiting for the unit to get back to me but they did call me to let me know. Hopefully I can get this thing back so I can test it some more.

Hello Chino,

Great post! Very detailed. That was very much appreciated! Its obvious that this is an issue with your computer responding to the controller. This is not a hardware issue. I recommend upgrading your computers operating system to Mac OS X 10.9 or 10.10. Running 10.8 is the bare minimum and I never recommend DJ's to run their gear off bare minimum specs. I always recommend exceeding minimum system requirements for an optimal DJ performance. Also, use Serato DJ 1.9 at this point.

Is there anyone using 10.9x (Mavericks) with SSL AND SDJ? I need to verify that SSL will run smoothly on Mavericks BEFORE upgrading my operating system.

Im running ssl and sdj on Mavericks 10.9.5...ssl runs flawlessly for me on Mavericks as well as sdj....As long as there is ssl i will NEVER UPDADE MY MAC

Thanks for your response! Are your running SSL 2.4.4 or 2.5 with Mavericks? I have to upgrade my operating system to Mavericks to get SDJ to work right with my Denon MCx8000 controller. I'm still getting bad output distortion on OSX 10.8.5. I need to TRIPLE check to verify that upgrading my OS won't mess with SSL. I use and TRUST SSL for my gigs every weekend!

I using ssl 2.5 so you'll be fine

SSL 2.5.0 and OSX 10.9.5 work fine and is the last supported OSX for SSL. You should be fine.

Damn. I gotta update my lappy too? I gotta do another test run...

@ skinnyguy… I STRONGLY recommend that you do a long test run of 3 or more hours straight BEFORE using it out on a gig. I know we have the same laptop and OS. You may need to upgrade to 10.9x or 10.10x. I still use SSL so I'm sticking with Mavericks for now until SDJ proves itself to be reliable.

Sdj 182 and 190 are supported for mountain lion.

support.serato.com

I shipped my Denon MCx8000 back to Denon today. As it turns out, I may have a defective controller so Denon is sending me a new replacement. Kudos to Denon for the GREAT customer service. On a side note, I did partition my hard drive in order to run another OSX. I tested EL Capitan (10.11.4) on SDJ 1.9.0 and 1.8.2 for couple a hours. It seems to work well.

fixed.....lol

Mine is going back for the second time. I received it yesterday and it was still having the same Channel 3 DVS problem after they told that it had been fixed with a firmware update. I know for sure that this is a controller problem as channel 4 works perfectly. When the inputs are swapped, channel 3 remains not to work. I have used both a Mac (Yosemite) & Windows (Win10) computers along with different version of Serato and the problem remains.

They told me the first time that they would send me a new unit but then told me they were out of stock on new ones and that the problem was fixed with firmware update. This time again they are promising to send me a new unit so let's see what happens this time. They have been very nice on the phone but I was not happy this second time around having to re ship it. I know these things happen so I will hold off on any comments and or reviews of Denon.

Does anybody else here use DVS with CD decks and or Turntables with this MCX8000 controller?

Sorry to hear that. Denon received my defective controller today. I also received a phone call today saying I will receive a NEW replacement controller with a FedEX tracking#. I bought my controller brand new so I expect the replacement to be the same. I already had the latest firmware and it did nothing to fix the distortion issues I was experiencing.

This has been a learning experience for me. I usually do not buy the first run of anything especially DJ equipment! Now I am reminded as to the reason why. Oh well, you live and learn. I do know that I will be doing some EXTENSIVE testing BEFORE the MCx8000 gets used at a live gig!!

Mine is scheduled to be received by Denon tomorrow. Let's see what happens. I purchased brand new as well so I expect the same. They have been very good as far as communication. I received phone calls from them as well. It's just that they did not test this properly or didn't understand the problem. And now I had to resend it when I should have had a new unit already.

Once you get it back and have the chance to test it, please post how you make out. I'm interested to see if what we are experiencing are just isolated issues or does the first run of the MCx8000 have quality control issues?

I tried the DVS with my cdj,s it works well on both lines 3 and 4 but I didn't do any extensive trial, I will definitely look into it
the problem i,m having is i,m hearing some kind of hissing from the mic lines i tried 2 different types of mics both a cordless and a regular cord from and I still get that hissing sound sort of like when a compressor open and close.

Will do.

Thanks for letting me know. My problem with line 3 is I'm getting just some static white noise on playback. You can see the red bar struggling to read the time code. I haven't tried any Mic's yet but I will when I get a new unit back.

QUOTE:
Official Response

EMPLOYEE

Chris D (Employee) 6 months ago
Hello Everyone,

"Thanks for posting this and the detailed information along with it. As with any USB audio interface, there are many potential causes of symptoms like distortion, artifacts (clicks/pops/crackling), and latency. The following guide provides some helpful tips to troubleshoot this - click here.

We have currently confirmed this symptom for Mac models 2014 and up. With newer Mac models, the USB ports of Apple Macbook Pro models 2014 and up may cause specific issues with USB audio devices. This issue has been confirmed by not just our hardware but by multiple third party hardware companies. We are currently looking into resolving this. The current and quick fix has been the Apple Store - Kanex Thunderbolt to eSATA + USB 3.0 Adapter."

It seems that the distortion I was experiencing has also affected users of the Numark NS7II & NS7III controllers. Multiple users on the Numark forum have also confirmed that this distortion issue is NOT limited to 2014 Macs and above. They have reported older Macs with the same distortion issues. I know Numark is a sister company of Denon. I certainly hope that my MCx8000's distortion issue is just an isolated case. I should NOT need a $79 adapter work a round to get my $1300 MCx8000 controller to work properly. I will be testing my replacement MCx8000 controller before the thirty day store return policy is up!

I have heard about that issue but totally forgot about it and didn't think it applied to you. I have the Numark NS7III controller but never used it with my macbook which is an older pre 2014 model. I haven't heard anything from Denon today. They did receive my return today. I guess I will hear from them next week.

I'm really trying not to jump to conclusions. I want to give Denon the benefit of the doubt. I will hold off on any additional reviews of the MCx8000 until I have adequately tested the new replacement unit.

Chino, have you received your new controller yet? Mine is due tomorrow. It turns out it did ship on the day I shipped my defective one back but they never told me.

My replacement is due to be delivered tomorrow too. It's coming from Nevada. I plan on testing the controller out as soon as I receive it. Let ROUND 3 of the MCx8000 testing begin...

Actually it's more like ROUND 5 of the MCx8000 testing. I just hope that I will finally be able to use it at a gig instead of just playing with it at home in my studio!

I just received my controller. However, I can't set it up right now because my music inspiration has just passed away. R.I.P. Prince you will be missed. As soon as I can set up the controller I will open up with your music. Sorry for getting off topic.

Today I played for 3 1/2 hours straight. I included a lot of Prince's songs in the mix. He had some great classics like "When Doves Cry". So far the controller is distortion free. Im re-installing the mini innofader then I will continue testing. I plan on doing a 4-5 hour straight test run tomorrow during the day.

One thing I did notice is that the MCx8000 has a high overall volume output. I had to lower SDJ's Auto gain to 89db in order for the sound to not distort. I have the master volume in SDJ at slightly less than halfway. I can run the auto gain in SSL at the recommended 92db and it sounds great. There is just something not right with the Auto gain in SDJ.

Pitch N' Time also seems to raise each individual song volume. It's slight (only 2-4 volume bars) but I can hear and see the volume difference. BTW, I'm testing 10.11.4 (El Captian) on SDJ 1.8.2. It feels more stable (and less bloated) to me compared to SDJ 1.9.0. I also don't plan on using the pulse locker feature.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)

@ Chino I think you're right 1.9 just doesn't feel as comfortable with the mcx 8000 as 1.8.2 so I,ll stick with it for now

I finally got around to hooking up the controller. Not really into mixing tonight. I played Prince for about an hour and a half. No issues with DVS. Chino, I did notice the master high volume. I love the sound from this Denon more than the Numark NS7 III. I had SDJ 1.9 already installed so that's what I'm using. I haven't encountered any issues with it. Hopefully I'll get to play with it more this weekend.

but ssl works with el capitan.

^^^ @ Mr. Goodkat... have you used SSL with OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)? I have my HD partitioned with OSX 10.11.4 but I haven't tried to use it with SSL yet. Honestly, I'm a bit nervous to do so. I use OSX 10.8.5 with SSL and then run SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan). Have you experienced any issues running SSL with El Capitan?

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)

11.11.3 is what im using. it works with a 62 and sl3. surpisingly, it doesnt work with SDJ, but there is a work around where you have to delete something in SSL and it works.

ive only opened the offline player since switching and havent tried to open SDJ on the 62 yet. too scared it will mess something up in SSL.

I also have a Rane 62 and a SL3 box. I think I will keep them completely off of EL Capitan for the time being. I just don't trust El Capitan to work right with Rane gear. I haven't experienced any issues running my Rane equipment on any previous OSX so I want to keep it that way.

So far, SDJ 1.8.2 works with OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)

definitely the best idea

*UPDATE*
I received my NEW replacement MCx8000 from Denon. I was able to run 5 hours straight with NO distortion. It would seem that initially I received a faulty controller but the new replacement MCx8000 has corrected the issue!

It took ALOT of computer/hardware tweaking to optimization the MCx8000. I now feel comfortable enough to play out a live gig with it. I will be using it on two gigs this coming week. If anyone needs help adjusting their computer/hardware settings just let me know. I will be happy to help.

THANKS AGAIN to Rich Muggle over at Denon DJ!!

Chino, is there a model number we can compare to other units? This device should be available in the uk tomorrow!

The FIRST MCx8000 controller I received was #135 I believe. My new replacement MCx8000 is #608. You should be perfectly fine with the new controllers that Denon are shipping out now. I would recommend checking the firmware of your controller over at denondj.com. The latest firmware update was on:

MCX8000 Firmware Release Notes v1.2 ­ Issued on 04/­15­/16
This update is recommended for all users.
Contains component firmware versions:
Engine: 0147
MCU: 2061
Display: 8661

I pick mine up tomorrow from Bop DJ in Leeds.

Okay... after the first two hours of playing I'll give my bit of input.

ENGINE MODE:

1. The 'CUE' lights are too bright (as stated above)... in fact, most lights are too bright. They should be 10% dim when off and 100% bright when on. Those things must be 50% when off! Maybe have an option in the setup to choose how bright we want the dim state?

2. I managed to get the screen to freeze while playing with Engine somehow. I uploaded the latest firmware as soon as I opened the box which has many fixes for these freezing issues but I'd managed to get the screen to freeze so there's still a bug somewhere. I'll try and reproduce but think it was with the slicer and/or loops.

3. Without quantise on the unit the slicer is beyond rubbish... actually, unusable. Nice it's included on the unit but it's sadly too poor to use. Beatgrids would have helped here and also with loops and FX following the grid.

4. Sync turns off if you adjust any pitch fader to locking them together for transitions is a no-go. I lock them in Serato and do a 125 to 100 bpm transition and it sounds great but that can't happen on the MCX8000. Shame.

5. Turning down the gain input on a deck then putting a white noise effect over an empty track I can hear a few glitches in the effect just as the effect comes in and just as it tails off.

6. The echo effect has a glitch if turned on while the encoder is at 100% which causes half a second of silence.

7. The 'mirrored' look will take some getting used to as I'm coming from a Pioneer SX so I do keep going for the wrong buttons (that's my fault though but would have preferred the standard layout).

8. A 8 beat loop on the intro can be jumped out of if I press a cue point. I like to restart the cue point on the beat and this disengages the loop... not cool! Keep the loop active! I didn't turn the loop off so it should stay engaged until I manually press the 'loop off' button.

9. Setting a temporary cue point is like the Pioneer CDJ way by starting a track then stopping it before winding back and pressing the CUE button. I'm not used to that as it's years since I had my CDJ 1000's. I'll need to adjust.
Also, by setting a temporary cue point, the CUE button stops flashing... this is good as the cue point is now set, however, any hot cue juggling or loop on'off action causes the CUE button to flash again, even though the CUE is set!

10. The blue loop indicator on the waveform is a little too bright when it's not activated. It almost looks like it's on! Tone down the blue a little here.

11. Engine software wouldn't allow dragging of any files from Serato DJ. I'm using 1.8.2 as 1.9 gives me crashes while live. I'll do some testing with 1.9 at home but dragging crates and tracks on Windows 10 is a killer!

SERATO MODE:

1. No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER. This was used all the time for me on the Pio SX for transitions and moving the ranges around. I will miss that lots as it was a killer feature for me. Gutted! Hopefully it can be added.

2. Loving the fact that the loop range changes when you select a loop roll. The SX would reflect the last loop length so if I was looping a 16 beat into (as I often do) loop rolls would be reflected like this. Happy it changes now, although it doesn't change the range back to what I was on before so I'll have to remember not to drop a 4 beat loop live if I've been loop rolling or we'd have the 'machine gun stutter' sound!

3. 100% pitch range in Serato is amazing to have back (also in Engine!). I can now do the 'Fatboy Slim' Rockafella Skank style timestretching effect I used to do before with wide pitch. Win!

4. No panel select button... but that's just being picky! Haha!


So... I love it. It's great but not perfect. In Serato DJ it's just as good as I'd want, Engine however misses a few tricks like LED brightness and quantise for the slicer and loops. With a few firmware updates it will be amazing. Keep it up Denon!

Nice to hear that your enjoying the MCx8000! I sent Denon an email with a feature request to change the brightness of the CUE buttons. Hopefully it will get passed on to development and included in a future firmware update.



I was able to drag and drop from SDJ 1.8.2 & SDJ 1.9.2 to Engine 1.5 BUT I'm using a Mac OSX 10.8.5. Please send that info to Denon so they can fix that Windows 10 issue. Did you have an external HD plugged in at the same time via USB? I noticed that when I had my external HD plugged in via USB, Engine would crash on me. Instead I plugged in my external HD via firewire 800 and it solved the crash issue. Maybe try posting the issue on the Denon's forum too. They may have a resolution.

^^^ *correction SDJ 1.9.0*

I think it's an issue with drag and drop on windows with SDJ 1.8.2 so I'll try again later. I don't want to play live with 1.9.0 due to three crashes live and they totally killed the club so I'm sticking with 1.8.2 for now but I'll continental you test. There was no external HDD but thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for it.

I'll definitely pass on any feedback to them. Was it just the standard support email you used? I'd like to pass on my initial thoughts and find out what can or can't be fixed using updates.

Hello Chino and Wilks,

I'd like to chime in here. You can't drag and drop the crate into Engine, this is why you're having this issue. You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software. We made a guide showing you how to correctly perform this. Thanks!

• Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com

@ Chris. You are right. I meant to say that dragging the songs (NOT crates) over from SDJ to Engine 1.5 made Engine 1.5 crash when I had an external HD plugged in via USB. I corrected this issue by plugging in my external HD via firewire 800.

@ Wilks I sent my suggestions directly to a Denon support rep that I have been in contact with due to the distortion issue I was experiencing. He indicated my suggestions would be forwarded to development. I believe you can use the standard support email and/or post suggestions and feedback on the Denon DJ forum.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)

Just a heads up that the Denon DJ forum is down. The link is below for more info:

www.bbc.com

"Unfortunately, the server on which the 'DenonDJ Forums' run were the result of this issue from yesterday. We're working with the Forum Admin(s) to get the resource back online as soon as possible."

Hopefully the Denon DJ forum will be back up and running soon. In the mean time, feel free to post suggestions and feedback for Engine 1.5 and the MCx8000 here.

Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).

Big thanks to everyone for all the valuable input here.
I actually just sold my SX2 yesterday to purchase a 8000.
It's only available in my country mid next week. So I really appreciate all the info.
I have some questions, I hope perhaps someone can clarify.
"No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER"
I thought this was a Serato function & therefore would be a 'mapping' thing, rather than a hardware limitation? Mr Wilks: have you tried using SHIFT+PITCH SLIDER with sync on?
"Loving the fact that the loop range changes when you select a loop roll." Isn't that how it's always been? With my SX2, if I did a 1/8 roll & pressed auto loop it would make a 1/8 loop.
Judging from what's been mentioned it seems like most of the issues are software / firmware related (apart from mirror layout). Are you guys happy with your purchase, any regrets?

Hi Mr. Wilks,

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the MCX so far, though I'm sorry you're still having trouble with the Engine software.

As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine, but do not drag the crate itself. Only the songs inside.

Also, please note and make sure you are only dragging supported music files into Engine:

Supported Media

WAV: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
AIFF: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
MP3: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 32kbps – 320 kbps
AAC: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 64kbps – 320 kbps

If anyone requires further technical support with the MCX8000 or the Engine software, please feel free to reach out to our support team through the Denon website - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!

Wilks can you drag in/out of sdj at all? if not it is a bug there is a registry hack to fix it. think there might be a link in support for it.

@acemc... I'm definitely glad I purchased the MCx8000. This controller is solidly built, controls SDJ, can be used in standalone mode AND is affordable. It's a no brainer purchase. The improvements needed are mainly on the software side of things, both in Engine 1.5 and SDJ. My only gripe is the overall brightness of the CUE buttons. Hopefully that can be fixed with a firmware update. For the first time I'm considering transitioning off of SDJ and moving to an all USB flash drive format.

Got it! I have MCU 2057 - I want a bigger number. Where do I download a bigger number? :)

Glad to hear that. Thanks Chino.

Help me out please, just purchased the MCX800 but im having a problem with the drivers Serato will not hook up to the controller, Im still on windows7 but have had no issues with my Numark NS6 are the windows drivers for windows8 and above HELP. It works perfectly in stand alone I just carnt hook it to SERATO HELP ME !!

Thanks to all the review , I picked one today. I'll update on the weekend.

@ to old to bold… If you haven' t done so already, you may need to download the latest Window drivers from Denon's websites… denondj.com

Yeah, as Chino says, scroll down to "downloads" and get the latest driver from here www.denondj.com

I'd get the new firmware too from the same page if you haven't already.

found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.

If you need to purchase good connector cables at really cheap prices go to monoprice.com. I buy most of my cables and adapters from them. They are located in Cali.

Booth 1/4in outputs are ancient and should have been updated to the XLR standard ten years ago when powered speakers were becoming the new standard.

not seen them like that and no mixer has xlr booth all trs ie 1/4in jack.

obviously on a powered booth monitor i have seen them, i ment on the dj gear.

Should have been at least the XLR sockets with a TRS in the middle...

Correction they should all be Combo Connector that allow xlr & 1/4 in. www.amazon.com

Thats the one would have been perfect!!! damn!

BINGO, we agree...lol

Guys thanks for all your posts and updates on this controller. I'm 80% leaning towards getting it but have 2 Question that hopefully an MCX8000 owner can answer:

1) How is the resolution on the platters for scratching?
2) How does the crossfader perform (any noticeable latency / can you set it for a sharp cut)?

Thanks,

A combo would be good on the booth but it's also a second output with tone controls that can be unaffected by the mic so great for zone 2 to a second room. It's much easier to find XLR's in a club than TRS I find.

XLR are far more common on gear. The only time I'd have an issue is if I was using home monitor speakers. This thing is plugged in at work into two 15" powered Mackie cabs and sounds good.

If I had a choice I'd roll with XLR any day. All amps and pro gear have XLR inputs so I'm not looking for conversion cables when gear is TRS. XLR to XLR makes the most sense in a pro enviroment... Male to female all the way.

TRS should die... haha!

I have to agree. I need to go get new cables tomorrow. :(

where the fuck do you dj every mixer sold in last 10years has TRS Booth output. show me an xlr? NEVER seen a xlr booth in a venue EVER. yes the main output is xlr. so now every venue you have trs and now need an adaptor. maybe trs should die but every new mixer this last year has trs booth output.

Also does anyone know how to delete the ENGINE database or where it is stored? can't find this info no where and need to start it again from fresh. looked in the obvious places and read the manual but see nothing about database reset.

TRS to XLR adaptors are a few quid each www.amazon.co.uk so would just grab a few.

We need to move away slowly from them so a combo would be good. They was great when space on the back of a mixer was scarce but there's no need in this day and age to have one type of connector on one end and a totally different type on the other end. If a cable breaks I'd bet it's a replacement XLR you'd find first in a booth (even sacrificing the mic cable). The Allen & Heath 43c is on XLR too so they've seen the light too!

Yup you're 100% right and there's no disputing that, I think we're all just saying it should have died a long time ago and used the xlr as standard. No more adapters and connected required.

Yep defo a combo. As its just the standard fine if all mixers sold from say 2015 had xlr booth in a few years it wouldn't be a problem. Yep adaptors it is but damn annoying.

Now to find how to reset engine database hmmm.
For the play about with engine i just had the waveforms are very mickey mouse and they have worse issues than sdjs new gui tech. Wobble wobble shack shack. The cue points and beat markers are jumping. Looking good for a backup but its no competition to Rekordbox that's for sure. But yes i am liking what i am seeing just few things that i guess i will get used to.

I would make lead adaptors because it will stickoit to much with adaptors. So make like 6'' lead from xlr to trs socket.

Looks like I'll have to get in touch with support as posted originally, I can't drag anything into Engine from Serato's crates. I can drag from Serato to the desktop and it will allow me to drop there indicating exporting from Serato seems fine however picking up tracks from within a crate in Serato and attempting to drop into the new playlist I've created in Engine results in a cross on the mouse pointer as if I'm performing a 'not allowed' action. I can't pick up and drop to any point within the Engine window from Serato 1.8.2 or 1.9.0 directly from a crate.

I'll get in touch with support and see if there's a bug somewhere.

This is all on my test machine of Windows 10 and Serato 1.8.2 and 1.9.0

Try this. While Engine is open go to Library then Engine Library and from there go to Delete Playlist. After that uninstall Engine then reinstall .

Hi everyone!

We appreciate all of your feedback on the booth output. XLR is the professional standard for DJ equipment. As Mr. Wilks mentioned, adapters are available if necessary and are really a good idea to have in your toolkit anyway, just in case.




To delete the Enigne database, make sure Engine is completely closed, navigate to the following location and delete the DenonDJ2 folder:

Windows: Local Disk C:\ > DenonDJ2

Mac: Mac HD > Users > Shared > DenonDJ2

Now when you re-open Engine it will ask you if you want to create a new library and scan your computer to create a new database.

I hope this helps!

@NumarkCorey - are there any plans to allow manual grid adjustments in engine?

Spot on thanks! And ya an adaptor isnt to bad just dual xlr/trs would been amazing until all manufacturers started using xlr. Even Denon mixers are TRS lol

so far many reports coming in is that the MCX800 sounds way better than the pioneer sx series...the sound quality is exellent from what im hearing...might need to take a closer look at this unit

Wayyyyyyy better than the pioneer sx series I think this is the controller to get so far so good.

I'm at 85% on getting it.

My list of things I don't like.

XLR booth outputs.

Mirrored layout.

No jog display (the blue outer leds are tacky)

Weight (lighter better for when on the move carrying through venues)

No jog tension (but the sx2 also lacks this)

There some more but forgot at the moment.

So basically just need to have a good play with this and a sx2 then decide.

how can you be mad at 2 pr of xlr outs??

Because EVERY dj box has 1/4 jack. Like EVERY mixer does apart from allen and heath 43 and this controller. Thats why lol.

I second this.

I had the SX MK1 and know the MK2 was a little better on sound. I can only compare to the SX 1 but it beats it hands down.

The headphone has to be run at 1 o'clock compared to the SX at 11 o'clock but that's no issue really as there's still plenty of headroom on it for me.

The mirroring is a bit of an issue if you come from Pioneer gear but after a few days you're used to it. I am already (although I'd have voted for non-mirrored given the choice just for consistency).



This can be switched to a single LED that scans around if you aren't a fan of the full blue ring. Would be good to control the brightness on this too so a few more options in firmware please!

Still no luck with dropping anything into Engine yet. It's like dragging and dropping isn't enabled.

@Numark Is there a previous build I can try? I see there was one drop recently and think this could have an issue.

Ya I haven't bothered listing any good points making me buy it as they are not the issue guess just trying to talk my self into it. I bought a ns7ii and its the biggest white elephant i have ever bought so don't wana make that mistake again.

Okay... Well... Anytime after the 5th you're gonna test mine.

Imagine a mirrored SX with a better construction and screens with the added bonus of playing from stick if Serato decides to leave ya hanging with dead air to a crowd of 500 lol.

For me, the stick is really a backup but works fine. Having no beat grids though makes the slicer not follow anything so imagine you're playing off an older CDJ with no grid snapping. This makes loop rolls fun for the people who liked SSL where the loop rolls didn't snap to a grid haha!

seems like any denon gear ends up being this outside of maybe the cdj's(or whatever the generic term is)

Is this just for music that hasn't been analysed with engine or is it the same even after being analysed?

I found it was after analysis although I've been having a few issues with engine anyway so need to investigate.

Can anyone confirm? The looping doesn't seem to snap to a beat too. I noticed it in the promo video with D. Ramirez a while back and once I'd bought it I found it worked exactly the same as I saw... no beat transient snapping.

If you don't press BANG on the slicer then it will be quantized but a millisecond before or after so will hear a glitch while playing.

Unless I've missed something?

If it loops anything like it does in engine at the moment, then its a big issue!!
I thought it was just coz I can't adjust the beat grid in engine.
Damn, that's bad news.

I think so.

I just use it as I would do a CDJ really and forget the slicer in Engine. Auto loops aren't too bad as there's (nearly) always a beat before and after the loop but could still be problematic.

I noticed Denon have really put a lot of work recently into the Engine software update and I think of this V1.5 as a version 1 really as it's the start of Engine in new products.
There was many bug fixes from the latest update according to the release notes so really think it's going to get more love at some point soon as inMusic are going to be using Denon as their premium brand in the war with Pioneer so it will have to get better progressively and you can see a turn around. I expect this to slowly turn into a Rekordbox style software (not DJ).

I just hope our feedback on ideas and feature requests can be incorporated into the current crop of gear and not "do a Pioneer" by adding it to a MKII model in 18 months time, even though they could add it to firmware!

I used the MCx8000 at an afternoon gig today. I definitely like how loud and clear sounding it is. It is MUCH louder than my Vestax VCI 400.

How's the track search on the mcx in engine mode? Turn rotary along a alphabet? Or is it more rudimentary?

It already seems like a pretty dope controller, just curious if the engine standalone is competent for long open format gigs.

If it is, its got everything I want, Serato and USB standalone!

If you hold 'shift' when twisting the browse knob you can choose a letter to jump to. It works well.
I'd like to see the possibility of connecting a small keyboard to search or an iPad/Android tablet to get the track we want.

It's competent on USB for a few hours just like you can play a few hours on CDJ 900s but the experience isn't as full as it is with Serato. I've not had any issues as such with the tests I've done.

I'd use it and get mixing done but it's not as good as computer based just yet.

Thanks for the reply, that seems functional but basic.

Yeah, it's pretty basic but from a USB where there's enough tracks for a few hours of music it's not too bad. Searching for tracks on a HDD with be a headache though!

Hi all,

I'm keeping an eye on Denon MCX8000, I have ddj-sx and the mcx8000 might be my next upgrade. I'll just wait until all the kinks, bugs, etc., gets fixed (if any) before I put my $ on it.

As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!

Cheers!

Ariel

Hey Ariel

Spinning the platters backwards was one of the first things I did on the MCX8000 :)

It feels almost exactly like the SX when it spins. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if I was blindfolded haha!

NUMARK!! As mentioned by Mr Wilks "No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER. This was used all the time for me on the Pio SX for transitions and moving the ranges around. I will miss that lots as it was a killer feature for me. Gutted! Hopefully it can be added."

Please Numark, can this be added??? I couldnt agree more that it was used all the time on the SX. Why is this useful? Lets say you pitched the last track up to the top of the pitch slider, you load a new track with sync enabled, its matched the bpm so you good to go for the mix, but after the mix you want to speed the track up, you can't because the pitch slider was at the top end from the last track. Basically holding down shift disengaged the pitch slider so you could move it down to the zero position and then you have the range of the slider back again.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add this, its the only thing i miss.

Why NUMARK?
If you use shift + pitch fader with 'sync' enabled does it not work?

@ arielfm22 I agree with Mr. Wilks. Back spinning feels similar on both controllers. Whether you like the platters on a controller or not is extremely subjective. Your probably not going to find a huge difference until Denon adds direct drive moving platters on a future version of the MCx8000.

There IS a day and night difference between platters that are on controllers like the Denon MCx8000, Pioneer SX/SX2 and those that are on the Denon sc3900s, Numark NS7II NS7III. The ability to do turntablist like tricks on direct drive platters is part of the reason why I advocate for them to be on controllers. IMHO moving platters just feel better than static controller platters. I feel that way because I started DJing from vinyl. You may feel differently.

A lot of people don't realize how many DJs out there have this mindset. This is why no matter what I own or project to purchase controller wise, I will always have a set of SC3900s and an NS7. Currently, everyone with the exception Numark is focused on static platters. But I simply crave for the tactile feel of spinning platters. And as you say, it's not a debate type thing, just subjective and what is your comfort level as a DJ.

are backspins this crucial to your dj'ing? (if you are a dnb or ukg dj i totally understand)

The backspins feel fine to me (for dnb) - not as customizable as the sz, but not as stiff as the sz.

I disagree with Mr Wilks, I think the backspin is better on the 8000 compared to the SX

"As the sx" I meant.

You can definitely get good backspin out of the mcx 8000 without braking your wrist this this is probably the best controller out right now for all the features and plus Denon quality it's a win win, the sx series is definitely out classed right now.

Could be just the unit I have then but I have both an SX1 and the MCX8000 and both are very similar in tension when backspinning.

It's negligible between them so it's possibly mine are a litter firmer than yours but find they are very similar. The MCX8000 probably has a little edge but it's similar in so many ways I'd say it's almost the same on my two units.

Sound quality on the mcx 8000 is way better than the sx .better mic section it's just better i had both sx 1 and sx2 I can agree the Denon have similar lay outs as the pioneer but Denon just made it better

I'm putting together a list of improvements that I would like to see on the MCx8000. The below list is not in any particular order. Please add anything else I may have missed.

1. Change CUE button brightness to either OFF(no lights) or ON(CUE buttons lit)…I also like the 10% brightness when off and 100% brightness when pressed on.

2 Record directly to USB flash drive in standalone mode. This would be great for recording live mixes.

3. Add additional efx for Engine 1.5 standalone mode via a firmware update.

4. Engine 1.5 needs to be able to read more than just 44.1.

5. Sampler needs to work in Engine 1.5 standalone mode.

6. Improve beat grids and BPM analyzing in Engine.

I also have some hardware suggestions for a version 2 …the MCx9000

1. Larger high resolution touch screens.

2. Larger direct drive moving platters.

3. I also like the idea for combo 1/4/ XLR jacks for the Master and Booth outputs.

option to turn off screens?
3 band mic eq
separate on/off switches for mics
non-mirrored layout

that is all. i think.

do they make combo 1/4 and xlr outputs? inputs, i've seen...

Unmark are part of the same company hence why they are replying to this thread afaik. The Shift + pitch fader with 'sync' enabled does not work and its really annoying lol

Make that Numark haha

I tell you something that is annoying, I DJ using video through Serato DJ and mixemergency which works flawlessly. There is now quite an annoying limitation with the MCX8000. The obviously setup would be to have channels 3 & 4 as Serato and channels 1 & 2 as engine (you can only use engine on channels 1 & 2) BUT, and this is a big BUT, Serato's video output only works on channels 1&2 so if you want to use a combination of engine and serato with video it becomes tricky.

I wish Engine was on 3&4 or across all four decks.

I've never seen them. I think they are impossible.

I connect to powered speakers (Mackie) that have XLR inputs so I'm happy with a straight common XLR M to F but jack would be a good addition as well.

The list of improvements above seems pretty solid. Most of them can be done in firmware so it's all down to Denon/Numark to take on board our constructive criticism. They are reading this and will be gathering our thoughts on what we think.

We are being positive and adding things we would like to see and I'm happy the guys are hanging out here to answer our questions and listen to what we have to say.

Personally I love the MCX8000, but could just do with a few tweaks to make it that little bit better. It beats the SX I used for two years and nothing else comes close to this yet... just a few minor changes to how it currently works is all it needs.

LED brightness needs toning down throughout. Everything should be lower and the cue when off should be the same as the mic off.

Shift + pitch slider needs to disengage when in sync.

Beatgrids need to be on the unit for the slicer and autoloops.

For a MK2 model:

Tone down the orange and blue randomly scattered lights. Go with different colours to make it look classy (blue or red).
The CUE and PLAY/PAUSE button should be different colours too. The 0% green LED needs to be red... just a uniform set of colours. Cue buttons all the same colour too.

It's like someone randomly ordered too many mixed coloured LEDs and they needed to use them up! Stick with a minimal variation and it will look much classier. Red and blue seem the best.

Anyway... things I like (as it's all too easy to complain).

I love how you can set a default beat count in engine.

I set to 8 beats so if you're doing loop rolls it will always spring back to your default and not end up as a 1/4 beat machine gun stutter when you try and loop! Nice touch.

I like the fact the waveforms appear even if the tracks aren't scanned. Just whack some tracks on a stick and you get a good experience.

The mixer sounds great. It's loud and punchy.

Good to see echo on the mic (not that I'd use it often but for impromptu karaoke it's a nice touch).

Post on the mic so the booth output doesn't get the mic. Great for a second room.

Link will be interesting. I'm looking forward to this coming and to see what we can do with it.

The metal feel is super solid but not in the same way an NS7 series from Numark is. It has a different feel altogether, especially with materials used.

Any more?

In your opinion, is it a better or worse feel?

Also, I'm not sure whether it's actually a hardware or Serato function,
but can anyone tell me if the resolution of the pitch fader is any better than the SX.
I always seemed to struggle to make very small/fine adjustments (lowest pitch range) with SX.
Regarding the 'SHIFT + PITCH' issue, I'm convinced this is a Serato mapping issue rather than a hardware limitation.

The pitch fader feels the same as the sx to me, but I never had a problem with that.

And +1 to the shift and pitch fader movement. I'm really missing that.

Could agree more regarding the below comment!!

1. Change CUE button brightness to either OFF(no lights) or ON(CUE buttons lit)…I also like the 10% brightness when off and 100% brightness when pressed on.

It's too hard to distinguish when the cue is engaged. As someone else said it should be similar to the mic engage button which has a much more distinct on/off look.

*couldn't

Hate the way you can't edit posts on this forum lmao

:)

I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks

Sdj diesnt save the key tag as 1A, 2A it just views them. So thats why it wont show in engine

CORRECTED...

Ok make sense....thanks

NO! Sdj ""DOES NOT"" save the camelot key to the key tag it only VIEWS it as Cemelot!

I was giving him the answer he seeked. I don't think he cares about what SDJ is doing.

ow i see, gotcha

I just opened Engine Dragged a track from SDJ (Been analyzed in MIK Camelot key) and in Engine (The software Don't have a MCX8000) and it shows the Key as Camelot 9A

So we saying the MCX8000 Can not display Camelot Keys???

Cheers

The MCx8000 will display Key info but NOT Camelot Key info when in Engine standalone mode. Camelot Key info is displayed while using the MCx8000 with SDJ.

Thats does seem odd then if the Engine software displays camelot but the embedded software on the mcx8000 doesn't! Very strange.

^^^ It's definitely strange. I just tested it out again to be certain and Camelot Key is NOT displaying when I use the MCx8000 in standlalone Engine mode. I'm not sure if it's by design or not. When I use SDJ it displays correctly. Maybe someone from Denon can comment on this?

Exactly...that's why I posed the question is because all the screenshots advertising Engine 1.5 shows keys in 1A etc, however, when I imported my SDJ library over and after Engine analyzed those tracks this wasn't the case. I thought maybe I didn't check off on one of the settings in Engine to show the Camelot format.

Same here guys. When I imported tracks from my Serato library over to Engine, after analyzing it does not show Camelot key but rather standard music notation. I haven't tried it while connected to the MCX8000 as I don't own it yet.

When using my Engine analyzed tracks(thumb drive) from SDJ tags in MCX8000 standalone mode, it shows the same standard key format when selecting tracks by key. Don't see no way as of now to view Camelot keys while using the MCX8000 in standalone mode.

Hope I'm missing something. Anyway good thing I don't rely on key mixing....was just curious as I thought everything imported over from tracks analyzed in Serato would be identical in Engine.

For those who rely on this type of mixing I hope this will soon change.

Wish i had a mcz8000 simply because if you scanned your keys in sdj it wont show the camelot key. Can you confirm that the camelot key is show in engine software on tour laptop before you export it to usb????

When in Engine it displays standard format opposed to Camelot.

I'm here to help!

Yup. Camelot is displayed in your tags on the unit if they are written that way.

Whatever your format is, it's displayed.

As LJ said, if your using Serato to write your tags then they are writing them in the traditional notation and NOT Camelot... but Serato will display them in Camelot if you set it too.

On the unit now I'm looking at them in Camelot. It would have to convert if so... which it doesn't do. Just reads what you have in ya tags.

I think know there is a little confusion here as to what people are referring to as "Engine".

The companion software for your computer that scans is Engine and the player is an excellent gone player. Kinda like Rekordbox.

Thanks Wilks i thought this must been the case!

Yeah, it's kinda how you'd expect if you go into the key option then there's a list of all your keys... click a key and all the tracks in that key are in that crate.

An "excellent gone player"?

I need to proofread first but I blame being in a DJ box and trying to post at the same time.

I don't even know what it was meant to be. I think it was "Engine player" or something like that.

Okay... so I had the left hand side of the controller, including screen, lock up tonight on me while using Serato DJ.

I'd just done a 4 hour gig in a bar and shut down everything to move next door to the club. I clean booted the laptop and opened SDJ only for it to lock up after a few minutes... fine I thought... I'll just switch to USB. Well only one side was playing ball (the right hand side) so had to use that. I restarted SDJ which gave me back the left side of the controller but the MCX screen still stayed frozen on the track that was playing at the time of the freeze. Windows also warned me that "A USB device plugged into this computer has malfunctioned"... however I still had audio.

USB mode was only useful on one side as the screen meant it was impossible to see what was going off on the left.

Looks like there's a rare problem with SDJ screen freezing on the MCX and not being able to recover without a power cycle.

^^^ Are you using SDJ 1.8.2 or 1.9.0? Have you updated to the latest firmware for the MCx8000? There may be an update for the Windows drivers as well.

I'm running the latest firmware and drivers (the latest firmware contained a fix for some freezing screens too if I remember) but not the latest Serato due to a few issues with 1.9.

I'll monitor it and see how it goes. I've done three gigs of 7 hours each with it and not seen it before so I'll let it slide but I'll be weary of it.

I did get one freeze with the engine side of it with my first ever play but I managed to load another song and that fixed it.

I'll just monitor it for now as it wasn't a showstopper but an inconvenience.

I am also using SDJ 1.8.2 instead of 1.9.0. I'm hoping for a SDJ 1.9x maintenance release that will include some improvements to the GUI, stability and some CPU optimizations.

I liked 1.9 as there was improvements to search but I had the odd issue so thought it was best for now to be on 1.8.

I'll keep checking with Denon's page to see if there's any updates.

On a side note… Since the Denon DJ forum is down maybe Denon should take this time to revamp the forum. I would like to see an official Denon DJ forum linked directly to their web site. It would be good to have a centralized place to seek help, make suggestions and discuss all things related to Denon DJ products.

Taking a logical guess, I think the Denon forum might be gone for good. It's never been down this long and I've been a member over 10 years now. What makes me say this is how Numark is the official support site now for both companies. Thoughts anyone???

forum.djtechtools.com

Can anyone confirm that the shift and pitch fader control thing can be fixed as a mapping?

I'd much see an official one open. It was a 'fansite' originally with a unofficial blessing from Denon but had some shady practices of the admins changing posts or deleting them to make themselves look better under negativity.

I had a thread deleted regarding the buttons on the X900 all breaking ans I showed an iFixit style photo of what was breaking and how to repair and also how to avoid Charles Hyde for official parts as the switch was £0.75 but they charged £4.99 postage for something that was light as a feather.

I am never rude or use language but the thread for deleted after it had a few views, to which they denied it existed! I had screen caps of it!

Also, I had a bug with the software in the HD2500 and the thread title was "Possible HD2500 bug?" Only for it to magically change to "Possible HD2500 issue?".

The change only happened to the thread title and evey post underneath contained the original thread title with the word "bug" in it. I've seen that happen again since with another thread so they are cleansing negativity which I didn't like.

I lost faith in their products after that and vowed to never buy Denon again... however I have, and was only because of their new inMusic association.

Doctoring forum posts to give a positive spin is a low move.

Thanks for this link Bigz. There is a lot of good content and history on that site, so good to know it's a problem they're trying to resolve. The last major outage they had forced them to reset all user accounts. That was ugly as a lot of content was lost. Hopefully they will fully recover this go round.

As I said before I've been a member on the Denon forum for awhile and I can pretty much guess who was responsible for doing that to your thread. I must admit that is one of the ugly things I didn't like about that site as well. But there are some awesome DJs on that site sharing good info as well. That's why I've remained active. However the site has lost much of it's popularity over the last couple of years.

Hi Mr. Wilks

Sorry to hear that you were having trouble with that. if you continue to see the freezing pop up, please make sure to reach out to our Tech Support team directly for assistance. You can submit and inquiry or call your nearest support team through our contact page - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!

Definitely. Thanks for the heads up and still good to see you guys around.

I've yet to hear back regarding no dragging or dropping into the Engine software on Windows 10 from Serato DJs crates. I was in contact last week so we'll see if I hear back.

I've still not been able to import yet and I've had it a week.

Is anyone running their USB latency at 2ms or 5ms with the MCx8000?

I have noticed that I need to keep my setting at 10ms or I start to get USB drop outs and the red peak dot appears. I have a high spec MBP so I didn't think I would need to run the latency so high. The only thing I run with SDJ 1.8.2 is Mix Emergency 2.7.1. I also use Pitch N' Time. WiFi and Bluetooth are always off. Serato's Optimization Guide hasn't helped. I can run 10ms BUT I prefer the tightness of 5ms.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan)

From what I've read, the screens add to the latency as I've seen NS7III and NV people say the same. Not sure about the dashboard but will assume so as it's a similar set up.

I think there's a lot of data coming down that USB port and a little increase in the latency bar is needed to keep things running smooth. I'm at 10ms and not tried anything less but will test later.

^^^ Good to know. Thanks for the reply! I figured that is the case. Maybe some optimizing improvements to SDJ's GUI and CPU use will help with this? It would be nice to run a lower, tighter USB latency.

Yeah, it would be nice but think as all devices are USB 2.0 then we could be on the verge of what's possible? I'm not sure and it's only speculation but you never know. Maybe newer devices will be USB 3.0 at some point? USB-C is a bit far away I think.

I'll have to have a snoop around and see if it could be the screens that's causing it as it could be unrelated but it's something I picked up on from around the forums.

I sent Denon a suggestion to run Midi over ethernet. Ethernet can carry much more data faster over longer distances then USB. Since the MCx8000 already has an Ethernet port than this could be done via a firmware update. It would improve the overall latency. I know Denon has plans for the Ethernet port to control it's new StageLinc protocol but we'll see what happens.

For those of you attempting to remap the hardware…Today I attempted to remap the hardware master volume of the MCx8000 to control SDJ's software master volume. Unfortunately, it did NOT work.

QUOTE:
"Embedded Systems Engineer

Tue, March 29, 2016

Summary

InMusic Brands, the parent company to such brands as M-Audio, Akai Professional, Alesis, and Denon DJ, is looking for a talented Embedded Systems Engineer to join our engineering team in Cumberland, RI. The ideal candidate is as comfortable designing electrical schematics as they are writing lines of firmware. If you’re a hot-shot in only one of these areas though, please apply - we want to hear from you too.

Engineers at InMusic get the rare opportunity to do new product design daily. With short design cycles and a constant stream of new products, we spend all day doing what we love to do best - designing electronics. We do the hands-on development work some engineers never get to do in their entire career."

I have a feeling we are going to see ALOT more embedded hardware controllers in the near future from Denon DJ! We might FINALLY see a completely standalone MPC Renaissance II.

Hopefully Serato will get into the embedded technology game and develop a standalone version of SDJ...

Just got my MCX8000 today :) I've been like a kid on xmas day today. Super stoked!!
I'm sad to say though that I've already had one screen freeze while using usb sticks.
I wasn't able to get it corrected by switching to SDJ, I had to power it off & on again :(
Just as other's have mentioned, the slicer, loops & rolls are terrible in usb mode!!
I can also confirm that bumping the left deck's pitch fader when pushing / pulling a track into beat happens a lot easier than I thought. I've decided to remove the pitch fader knob. It actually helps big time!! Something that I've found very irritating is not having a sec or so before the actual start of a track. This makes scratching the first beat almost impossible. Surely any track should have at least a 1sec lead in??
My biggest concern for now though is the freezing display that require a power cycle to fix.
Overall though I'm quite happy with the unit.
The sound quality is without a doubt, drastically better than the SX2.
I really like the screens & will definitely be staring at my laptop a whole lot less.
I hope & pray that Denon will sort out the engine software & 8000 firmware so that we can actually make a decent loop, adjust beat grids & of course.... no screen freeze!

Glad to see you're happy.

The slicer is useless without beat grids (and loop snapping too). If they ever get implemented they will be usable. Nice they've included them but only useable for the brave!

I had a screen freeze once in Engine and that was just after updating to the latest firmware. I managed to break out of it though by pressing random buttons around the display but I'm not sure which.

The other time a screen froze was in Serato mode but the whole left side could be used but without the screen made it too difficult. Once these issues are sorted it's a winner.

Have you tried turning off the auto cue function in the set up menu? There's a sensitivity but can also be turned off. I have it on but it always loads a track a millisecond from the start. Load from first cue point would be best for me. If you're listening Denon... Yes please! The MCX8000 creates a temporary cue in a good spot but it's a fraction off my cue point. Let's hope they can add a load from first cue option!

The sound is amazing. Glad you're liking it!

Thanks Mr Wilks, I'll try turning off the auto cue & see if that helps.
2 Other things that I've just noticed...
1) The fader start implementation SUCKS BIG TIME.
You have to press then release & press shift again each time you want the track to start over.
It should basically work as follows: Fader moves up = Start. Fader reaches bottom = Cue.
2) Post fader effects don't work with x-fader <-- I'm really disappointed with this!!!
I hardly ever use my line faders, I almost exclusively use x-fader.
DENON...........Why do it like this??

I'm actually running at 1ms with absolutely no problem my computer specs are early 2k11 Mbp just recently upgraded to El Capitan 4gb of ram quad core 2.0 i7 processor running Pnt never wifi or Bluetooth when running Sdj and I Also did Serato optimizing and so far so good been testing at home for about 4 hours everyday but will give it the ultimate test this weekend at a couple of gigs I will report back.

Wow. That's great to hear. I can run SSL at 2ms but I haven't been able to run SDJ 1.8.2 or 1.9.0 at less than 5ms latency without getting audio drop outs. Please post your results after your gig this weekend. I'm interested to see how it goes. I'm also using the MCx8000 for an upcoming gig this weekend. I have a 5 hour event. I have used it at a previous afternoon gig but that was only 2 hours long.

That is good! my mid 2012 2.7ghz quadcore i7, 16gb ram can not go below 5ms with any sdj hardware. I use PnT. Strange how users get such different results.

Same experience here running mavericks 10.9.5 mbp late 2k13 15 inch, and a hp elitebook i7 quad (backup)

I have same mbp I'll try 1ms , never upgrade to El Capitan not compatible to sl2 for my back up.

The crossfader behaviour is strange to me. If I have the crossfader curve knob all the anti-clockwise, and then put the crossfader in the centre, deck 1 gets quieter. I don't expect it to get quieter until I move past the centre point to the right.

I remember having the same issue with Serato ages ago, when the crossfader would be set to Power instead of Linear.

If I put the crossfader curve in the middle, it seems okay.

Is this expected behaviour?

If that is the behavior your looking for then make sure the cross fader setting in SDJ is set to linear. Also put the hardware x fader contour curve knob on the MCx8000 in the middle. This should give you the desired result.

Im pretty sure that's normal.
If the curve is totally right, the cut is sharp - fully open millimetres after moving the fader.
If the curve is in the centre, each deck will be full volume until it reaches centre, then it fades.
If the curve is totally left, each decks starts it fade as soon as you start moving it away.
The idea behind it is that when you have 2 tracks playing together, you have twice the level, so that specific curve reduces both to give a more balanced mix / fade.

I feel dumb now! :) thanks!

Where does everyone typically have their curve?

I experienced the same thing after playing for 2 hours the distortion begins from low to high level what i did is i adjust the buffer size and its gone.. i will check back again later to see if it's permanently resolve .. how's your mcx 8000? did they fix the problem?

^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?

befor im on buffer 2 now i'm on 5.. i'm in the process of observing and testing.. and i also follow your setting recommendation so far no distortion.. i'll keep you posted i bought my
mcx last week

I'm having major problems with Engine 1.5.1 for Windows 10.
When importing a large number of tracks the program crashes after a while. I can get rid of it by importing smaller chunks of tracks, so that's fine. My biggest concern though is the analyzing of tracks. At first I could analyse some 200 tracks before the program crashed, but now it's only about 3 tracks. I tried a reboot, uninstallation and also auto analyze set to off, but still the same problem.
Another thing that maybe has been mentioned before is the incorrect BPM analysis. Almost every two songs I play differs in tempo although I've set the pitch to the same BPM on the MCX8000 in standalone mode (not using Sync mode). It can differ up to 0.5 beats. Luckily I only beatmatch by ear, but it's something that should be corrected in future updates.

Overall I think Engine 1.5/1.5.1 just doesn't feel like a stable release yet.
Anyone else experiencing these problems?

On Win 10 I can't import anything into Engine from Serato's crates at all... 10 days after buying it!

I can import via the options in Engine but the Engine video shows dragging and dropping from crates and for some reason I can't drop anything into Engine. Can you?

Have you tried dropping anything into the Engine window? I just get a cross appear on the pointer.

And yeah... The BPM is out by .1 on almost everything. 120.0 becomes 120.1

I just didn't scan BPM on import and that helps for me.

I would recommend doing a test run of at least 3+ hours straight before playing out a gig with it. Sometimes the distortion has a way of creeping in after a couple of hours. Make sure your on the latest firmware and drivers. I bumped up the USB latency to 10ms. I keep the Max Screen Refresh Rate at 20sec MAX. The screens are dependent on the MIDI info that is provided by the USB port. It's a lot of info so your computer may need the added "breathing" room that 10ms latency provides. Check the MIDI Trans Interval on your controller too. It's under the UTILITY Menu. Set that to 3ms. I know it seems like ALOT of optimizing but it's well worth the trouble. You will notice a huge difference in performance after you reconfigure a couple of settings.

@ Mr Wilks I usually mix the next song in at a slightly faster speed to compensate for any delay (so 120BPM would be 120.1 BPM on the next mixed song). The way your describing is how I mix since I started DJing. It's an old trick from my vinyl days. It helps the song that your mixing reach the speed of the song already being played.

if your saying that the overall BPM analyzing is off by .1 then maybe try changing your overall PITCH to -+8%. See if that helps.

The analysed bpm affects loops & any other quantised functions,
so even if you have a work around to mix with it's still a big problem.
Another BIG BUG, is plugging anything into the usb hub at the back of the unit.
It causes a momentary stop of audio in SDJ & 8000's screen freeze!!
Basically the hub is useless.

I think that the screen freeze is actually a SDJ issue.
Loading tracks from a usb give a waveform & screen functions as normal in any other mode.
I also find that I'm unable to load tracks from history using the 8000.
I expect the screens on the 8000 to follow wherever I am in library, but this doesn't happen.
The more I look at it, it seems to all point to SDJ's limited functionality with the 8000.
It's all about what SDJ sends to the screen.
They could even give us a beat matching waveform option IF they wanted to.
SDJ already sends that info to the NS7iii & dashboard screens, so why not give it to us too?

THIS!!!!!!!

I found that Engine 1.5 will not let you import purchased tracks from iTunes (because they contain copyrighted tags/data). In standalone mode, it also says "file not supported" when trying to play these songs.

Essentially, I can't even use my library with Engine 1.5. The interface is so bad as well. It looks like Denon was mimicking a MacOS window, and gives Windows users not "drag and snap" functionality.

Also, the two part analyzing process is so frikken slow. It needs to first read your iTunes library, AND THEN update the data base? I don't understand why the Engine 1.5 library can't just import the entire iTunes autmatically, just as Rekordbox or Serato or Traktor can do.

Unlike Serato, Engine does not take advantage of multi-core processor when analyzing. It just analyze one track at a time. It's slow as hell for analyzing large libraries.

Denon made such a hype controller, but after more usage, I see so many flaws in it.

The funny thing is I'm the opposite.

I came into it noticing every little flaw and things that bugged me after using the SX but now after six long gigs with it I'm really enjoying it. I've forgotten what the SX was like!

I've took it for the controller it is. I think after everything, the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Other than that it's brilliant.

Here's my video the distortion starts when lowering the bufer size it starts on bufffer 5 but increase on #1 i already updated my firmware…. it happen only on #5 #2 and #1

Watchwww.youtube.com

It starts to distort after 1 to 2 hours of mixing

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.

Good tip acemc. I never thought of that.

I'm actually getting used to it slowly now... But... Denon, if you're listening... Can we have a "traditional" layout on a future product please?

Mirrored makes sense for a small controller but when something is the size of two small CDJs and a mixer... It should really operate like one!

It's so big I move my body and position myself in front of each deck... Only to have a different way of working depending if it's left or right. Shifting the sync and auto loop buttons depending on which deck your on is a crime against logical thought. I use sync on a 'per track' basis and I also loop the start of each intro. It's a nightmare when these two are swapped!

However... It's an awesome controller and I'm getting the feel for it after a few weeks. It's a shame it's took this long for me to start to be comfortable as it should just be natural as other DJ gear adopts a pro feel and layout. Imagine if CDJs and DJMs varied from venue to venue but hey-ho.

Basically... The 1% of the worlds population that are ambidextrous will love it!

en.m.wikipedia.org

I agree. When I saw your first response of this unit I thought to myself, "I think he needs a little more time to play with it and maybe he can forgive. However, I totally agree with you about the mirrored comments. I'm constantly still hitting that pitch slider. I'm trying my best to maneuver around it. I love this thing though. Enough to consider selling my NS7III.

It's took me a little longer than I'd have liked but I'm getting there. Mirroring the pitch slider isn't an issue but messing with the location of the play, cue, sync & autoloop button is inexcusable.

Looking here serato.com all Serato DJ controllers are mirrored apart from the SR, SX, SZ and S1... However... The Pioneer controllers don't switch the play and cue buttons when they are mirrored, if I remember correctly.

Still... I love it! I just hope there's feedback being taken and noted for the MK2 model!

It's took me a little longer than I'd have liked but I'm getting there. Mirroring the pitch slider isn't an issue but messing with the location of the play, cue, sync & autoloop button is inexcusable.

Looking here serato.com all Serato DJ controllers are mirrored apart from the SR, SX, SZ and S1... However... The Pioneer controllers don't switch the play and cue buttons when they are mirrored, if I remember correctly.

Still... I love it! I just hope there's feedback being taken and noted for the MK2 model!

I've only owned one Pioneer controller, the DDJ-SX2. Which as you mentioned was not mirrored. I've been able to get use to most of the the changes going with the NS7III & now the MCX8000. However, my little pinky keeps moving that pitch control on the Denon but not on the Numark NS7III.

The pitch on the Numark NS7III is lower than the platter from where I like to hold the platter. On the Denon it's dead even. I'll get use to it though. And yes I'm sure they are definitely looking through feedback for the next model.

I took my left pitch fader cap off - problem solved.

Way to go! Lol

Sounds crazy, I know. But it honestly worked.
Try it.

Is anyone using SDJ 1.9.1 with the MCx8000 yet? I'm still using SDJ 1.8.2 but I will consider using 1.9.1 if Serato has fixed the bugs and optimized.

I'm on 1.9.1 and im not having any problems so far

Still on 1.8.1 here but will give it a lil' test this week.

I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?

Speaking of distortion, I am only finding this issue when using effects such as echo out. When just playing music, i dont hear any distortion but only when i use echo or echo out.

I only experienced distortion while using SDJ, never in standalone

The echo out has distortion built in but it's a little too much.

There's a thread somewhere to remove it.

I also experienced but when i adjust the buffer to 5 or 10 the distortion pronlem is gone here's my video
Watchwww.youtube.com

I'm on 1.9.1 and been testing it for 5 hours and no distortion or drop out so far

@djbigz …The explanation that I received is that the distortion is USB related. There is a limit to the amount of MIDI info("bandwidth") that can be transmitted efficiently via a USB port. The MCx8000 has screens that are dependent on MIDI info provided by the USB port. The screens put additional strain on your computer. That's where the distortion comes from. To combat the distortion the USB latency in SDJ needs to be at 5ms or even 10ms.

I sent Denon a couple of ideas to fix the distortion problem:

1. run MIDI over Ethernet. Ethernet can transmit much more data at faster speeds over longer distances. The MCx8000 already has an Ethernet port so this upgrade could possibly be done via a firmware update.

2. A hardware solution would be to have a future version of MCx8000 have a USB 3.0 port instead. USB 3.0 can carry much more info faster than USB 2.0 ports. There are issues of USB 3.0 stability and reliability but hopefully that will be sorted out in the near future.

3. SDJ and Denon can work together to optimize and streamline the software. SDJ provides CPU/GUI optimizations and Denon could release a firmware update that will help clear the distortion.

There are solutions to fix the distortion problem. It is up to Serato and Denon to do it. Raising the USB latency to 10ms is a temporary fix.

Thx Chino, my replacement just arrived so we'll see.

SDJ crashes whenever I plug in a usb or hard drive into the hub on the back on the 8000.
Even if I plug my iPhone - SDJ crashes. My mac see's the iPhone, but it doesn't charge.
Anyone else experiencing this?

It worked for me with a 1TB HDD on Windows but I've not checked on Mac yet.

I'll try it later.

I connect a 1TB G-drive into the rear USB port of the MCx8000 without issues. I run SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan).

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan)

My replacement unit has been running like a champ. And I've been using it 4 to 5 hours a day for the past 3 weeks. I never had any distortion problems even with the defective one. I haven't had to touch the USB latency settings either. No problems either with the USB hub. I've attached up to 3tb HD drive without issues.

Switching back and forth from PC to standalone mode has been pretty solid. I have noticed that the stop time has to be readjusted every time you switch back and forth though. If you need or want to use it. I started using SDJ 1.9.0 and have recently updated to 1.9.1 still without any issues from what I've been able to test. My Numark NS7III is being sold.

Running on Dual boot Windows 10/Mac - Yosemite, i5 8gb Ram.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
I definitely have a problem with the usb hub then.
If I connect an external before I start SDJ, then the 8000 will work but without anything on the screens. It just keeps showing the blue mcx8000 screen.
If connect / disconnect anything while SDJ is running, Serato will either crash or freeze.
If it freezes, the 8000 disconnects & then reconnects to SDJ. 8000 works without screens.
Look like I'm gonna be taking mine back too :(

@Tommyoz - Did you update the firmware after u got the replacement?

Yes I did.

I used the MCx8000 at another gig today. It was an afternoon block party. I was worried about how the MCx8000 would react to a couple of hours of direct sunlight. No issues at all!

I do have two suggestions…. the MCx8000 desperately needs the brightness of the CUE buttons to be fixed. It was really hard to see if the CUE buttons were on especially in the daytime. SDJ also needs day mode.

Agreed on the cue buttons. That must have been brutal in daylight.

In case anyone is interested….Denon MCX8000 Custom Skins are now available at
styleflip.com. I'm ordering mine real soon.

Played on my replacement 5hrs last Friday night with no problem whatsoever, maybe some of the first batch of controllers were just bad.. Ran my buffer at 2ms and screen refresh at 60 just to test, and no distortion.

^^^ Good to hear! I was able to run the MCx8000 at 5ms this past Saturday with no distortion. The future looks bright for Denon. Hopefully Denon will continue support for the Engine software and add direct drive moving platters to a future version of the MCx8000.

Those cue led's are driving me crazy!
I can't tell which is on & which is off - I absolutely hate it.
I'm continuously pushing buttons & switching on instead of off & vice-versa.
It's amazing how something so small can be such a huge irritation.

Yup. Agreed.

Even though I've had the unit four weeks now, I still can't work out which one is off and which one is on sometimes.

We need a firmware fix for this as it's really irritating. Oh and the MK2 should stick with one colour across all four cue buttons.

^^^ +1 on a firmware fix of the CUE button brightness!! The CUE buttons being one color is a good idea as well.

It's the attention to the small details that will dramatically improve the overall user experience. Denon please fix the CUE button brightness ASAP!!

I like the colored cue buttons

So here is where i stand.

The layout is the biggest complaint and also what is putting me off (had ns7ii and hated the layout)

The fact it seems there is a dodgy batch and in tru in brand music style no recall (see this where Pioneer wins they own up fix units and all is good SX/SZ)

Screen and midi freezing - seen alot more reports of this coming out now.

The dimmness of the leds states of inactive buttons more and more peopel are chiming in to moan about this, which also will annoy me.

Size is also a concern mainly the depth.

Xlr booth - this is an issue because the industry is years away from catching up with this. Yes i can bring an adaptor so not too bad amd one the smallest bad points i have.

But for all these reasons i am going togo with the SX2 i think. Maybe in couple years when Denon make another one they will get it bang on.

It's totally subjective and know where you're coming from. Having used Pio gear and going to this it was hard... but... every controller is mirrored out there apart from high end Pioneer (even their budget controllers are mirrored). Vestax, Numark etc are all mirrored. However, I do like a imitation CDJ layout and prefer it.



I think this is just an isolated set of units as I have a low batch number on mine and its' rock solid. Pioneer has had issues with the mic on the SX (only partially fixed with firmware) and the SZ had to have new chips in so any unit is susceptible to error. Out of all the units sold there's been three or four on here with issues of distortion. With the UK policy of returns we'd have a replacement ASAP.



Since moving to Mac I've not had one issue. I think it's driver issue on Windows (these are class compliant).



This is a little frustrating as the brightness really needs dropping a few notches. I'm sure it could be done in firmware but we'll just have to wait and see when the next revision comes out.



Depth is within the CDJ/DJM league. If a booth can fir those... you're good to go.



It's a £3 adaptor per channel. I hate TRS jack when every PA speaker or amp you'll find an XLR on the back. The booths where I am has an XLR cable so it's all good for me but if it's an issue just grab the adaptors for a few quid.



Definitely go with what you''re comfortable with so the SX makes sense. Even with it's few faults (all subjective really). The SX2 is great but for the extra, I wanted the backup of USB and the screens make a difference. I'll guess Pioneer's next thing will have screens and stand-alone USB functions (like the RX). Even after having this for just under a month now, I still love it more than the Pio unit. It will get better with firmware and the StageLinq will be interesting.

If you wanna stay with the devil you know... Pioneer SX all the way. If you wanna play on one I'm 45 minutes away!

Ya the SX was fixed by sending it away. After that batch new units had the fix. Which also needed new firmware. But they sorted it.

Yep they may all be mirrored to some degree but I'm just used to cdjs, so this layout suits me better. The screens are a bonus but not needed. USB part not interested in and would never use anyway. If i did use usb id want Rekordbox so wouldn't choose the Denon for that.

Yes mate when i get some time i will come up and bring SX2 and we could maybe do like a review of them both. The rgb and improved mic channel and jog display has made SX better. Just needs the DJM/SZ knobs on as all black and hard see in dark.

I noticed an issue with the way Engine 1.5.1 analyzes BPM info. Let's say I have a song that is 75 BPM in SDJ 1.8.2. When I drag the song over, Engine 1.5.1 doubles the BPM. I try to manually input the correct BPM but Engine won't save it. The song reverts back to the doubled BPM. Is there something I need to do to correct this?

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partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4(EL Capitan)

*Update*
Originally I was attempting to manually change the BPM in Engine by highlighting the song with the wrong BPM then typing in the correct BPM in the BPM field. This did NOT work. In order to manually correct a BPM…

1. In Engine 1.5.1 Select and open the USB drive (on left hand side of screen.)
2. Select and open playlist
3. Highlight specific song with incorrect BPM
4. Right click and select File Information
5. Input correct BPM and click on the save icon (on the bottom right of screen).

It's frustrating that I need to go in and manually correct the wrong BPMs but at least it can be fixed and saved. The BPM analyzing in Engine 1.5.1 needs to be improved.

Dissable the auto bpm detection… it will save your bpm from your seratodj crates

Analyze BPM OFF on set up menu

^^^ Thanks DJ Ernie. I went in and turned off the Auto BPM Analyze function in Engine.

I'm testing SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.5 . So far, its running well. SDJ now closes faster than before.


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partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)

Okay... So i've experienced this today for the first time.

I did a gig for 4 hours and all went well. I then packed up and went to a second gig a few miles away and after an hour got distortion at 2ms. I increased to 5ms but after an hour it came back. I increased again to 10ms and it came back again. I had to go to 20ms and at the end of a 5 hour gig it was starting to go again.

I restarted the MCX8000 at the end of the night (as I couldn't while playing) and I could use it again at 2ms. I've been on the latest firmware since I bought it a month ago and this came from nowhere.

I'll try a factory reset and see if this helps as I have two more 7 hour gigs this weekend with it. I'm on 10.11.4 El Cap and nothing has changed in the month I've used it (apart from the install of Live 9 and a Push).

I'm dropping the link to the convo further up for reference serato.com

Ok, i been waiting for help, i sent an email to Denon DJ like 2 weeks ago and im still waiting. The first cue pad on the right deck is not solid, its like blinking the other 7 pads are ok i notice that only happens with a few colors like red or blue. Anyway i can live with that.
What i dont like and i do not know why is happening when i turn the headphones knob level or the split cue knob they change the channel level volume, or the channel EQ level. This happens every time that i turn the headphones know and even when i use the channel filters knob. I have the 2061 firmware im using a 15" macbook pro with Mavericks.

Can anyone speak to the quality of the Mic Preamps on this unit? One of my biggest complaints with the DDJ-SX is that I have to run it with an additional mixing board in order to have quality microphone sound for speeches, toasts, etc. The mic inputs on the SX would work sometimes, then other times start to distort or fade. This has been really frustrating when I require my mics to sound crisp and clean at all times. Thanks in advance!

The sound quality of the mic's on the 8000 is superb.
Far better than the SX/SX2 mic input's which are on the channel faders.

What about the overall sound quality of the sound card compared to the SX/SX2? ive been told the 8000 have excellent sound quality

Drastic improvement over the pio SX/SX2 in sound quality. I could hear a difference at the club between when I played on the cdj2000's and the sx2. Now I can't hear any difference changing between the 2000's & mcx8000

Thank you!

thanks...to me if this is the case the 8000 is the winner here...always wanted a controller that could sound just as good as my rane 62

what about the SZ?

The SX mic is shocking i just got SX2 massive improvement but i will say my NS7ii mic sounded the best out any hardware iv ever used apart from Allen and Heath. So I'm guessing the Denon will be good. And from what i have heard sound quality is better on the denon and the output is louder (more head room)

The master and booth outs on the MCx8000 are loud and very clear sounding. The MICs also sound loud and clear

I had a weird issue with the MCx8000 at a gig yesterday. The jog wheels would not allow me to scratch when I hit the PLAY button. The needle drop function only worked occasionally too. I initially thought that I didn't have the VINYL button on but I did. It felt like the unit was stuck in SLIP mode. I tried powering off the controller but that didn't help. I also completely shutdown my computer and restarted. That did't work either. I tried using the controller in standalone mode and the issues where still there. Today I setup the MCx8000 at home and it works again. The only difference is that at home I don't have the MCx8000 hooked up to my DBX powered speaker optimizer. I'm running SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.5. I also tried SDJ 1.9.0 at the gig but that didn't correct the issue. Thankfully, I always carry a backup system. Once again Scratch Live saves the day! I will continue testing this week.


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I had an experience like that once with my SX, and tried everything I could to fix the problem. In the end, the location I was playing at was directly situated under power lines with heavy radio tower activity as well. Turns out all of the electromagnetic waves in the air disabled all of the "touch" sensitive elements of my controller. Took it home and it worked perfectly. Just a thought.

I'm also used to get this with my SX. Issues like grounding and electromagnetic interference often caused jog wheel glitches. I used to have it stuck in search mode when moving the jiog wheel even those it wasn't selected.

It definitely sounds like the same issue and is a side effect of the capacitive jog wheels. I had it often in various venues with the SX but never at home.

^^^@ 206 T.Roy & Mr Wilks…Thanks for the responses. I spoke to a DJ friend of mine and he had the same thing happen with his Pioneer SX controller. He said it was due to a faulty ground in the venue he was at. My gig was inside a park's pavilion. It was an older building so the wiring was probably not grounded well.

I have same issue faulty ground according to my monster power conditioner so I have fine a good outlet.
Thanks to my power conditioner.

Yeah. I used to complain in one venue about the grounding as my controller went a bit crazy.

Funny how these things show up when you're not expecting them.

chino - i think i had the same issue at a gig recently. was working fine then suddenly wouldn't let me scratch. rebooted computer and controller. nada. adjusted the sensitivity all the way and that helped...i think. unless the situation fixed itself when i did that. when i went into the settings the sensitivity was at -3, i think? so i went max in the other direction....and worked fine. i thought maybe the ac in the room at the time was so cold that it may have affected the wheels.

unless it was a glitch of some sort.

I'm doing more outdoor events this summer. Hopefully, I won't experience any more platter issues related to faulty grounds.

Btw, I'm now testing SDJ 1.9.1 on OSX 10.11.5. I keep the pulse locker feature off.



mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)

How's the testing going? I'm on 1.9.1 but not tried 10.11.5 yet.

^^^ So far so good (fingers crossed). SDJ is closing faster although I still get the occasionally beach ball when I close the program. I had some freezes with SDJ 1.8.2 and OSX 10.11.4 where I couldn't load a track. It happened after I left SDJ 1.8.2 on without any tracks playing for half an hour. The majority of the bugs have been addressed in OSX 10.11.5. I still keep my RANE gear completely off of El Capitan though. I run my RANE equipment on OSX 10.8.5. Controllers seem to work fine with OSX 10.11.5.

Sounds good. I also get the beachball when closing but it's not too bad it's it's just saving the database etc.

I've been installing an SSD into the SuperDrive bay today so that will make a difference for me.

The beachball hang on exit is a bug since 1.8.0 really fecking annoying for sure. Clicking the screen seems to speed it up.

That will definitely make a BIG difference. I installed a Samsung 512gb 850 EVO Pro in my 2009 MBP. Overall, programs open and close much faster and run better. I haven't had the chance to update my 2012 MBP yet. I plan on putting a Samsung 1TB 850 EVO Pro in it soon.

So nobody else is having that issue with the headphones Level knob? I cant touch it because it changes the channel Level, it goes to half the volume or even lower. Everything is up to date except Mavericks, im still with Mavericks because i works perfect with Serato SL.
It is a good idea to update to El Capitan?

@Chino I was already leaning heavily towards the mcx8000, but your thread definitely closed the deal for me. Now I just have to wait for a batch to finally arrive at my country... Thanks for everything, really.

Cuervo, I have tested the MCx8000 on OSX 10.8.5, 10.9.5 and I now run 10.11.5 (EL Capitan). I have not experienced the issue your describing. If your planning on using both SDJ and Scratch Live then I would recommend partitioning your hard drive. Try calling Denon support instead of emailing. You may receive a faster response from them that way. If you upgrade to El Capitan and the issue is still there then it may be hardware related.

@ DJ JuVi… glad I was able to help you. If you have any additional questions please post them. There is a really positive group of DJs here that will be happy to help you.


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partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)

Hey Chris, what do you think about this?

Watchwww.youtube.com

Every single time when i turn the headphones level knob, it changes the channel level volume, as you can see in the video i have the latest Denon firmware. The first cue pad on the right hand deck does not light up, i can live with that but the channel level issue is not good, not good. I was using Mavericks with a mid 2013 15" mackbook pro with a 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 with 16 GB memory RAM, today i upgraded to El Capitan 10.11.5 and i got the same issue.
Is this a hardware defect? I know some guys had to send the controller back to the shop... I hope i wont have to do that... Man i miss my old set up, thats for sure.

^^^ @ Cuervo…I just watched your video. That definitely should not be happening. Make sure your on the latest firmware. If the problem persists then you may need a hardware replacement. If your in the States then you have a three year warranty as long as you bought the controller from an authorized Denon DJ dealer. You need to register your MCx8000 on the Denon website (denondj.com). Try calling Denon support and have them watch your YouTube video. I had an issue myself so I called Denon support directly. The Denon reps are knowledgeable and very helpful. My faulty controller was replaced under warranty. Good luck!

Btw, the # for Denon DJ support in the U.S. is 401 658 5766.

Thank you Chino, I'm going to call today I live in Michigan, everything is update so I need to call Denon right away.

If you've not tried it already, government it a factory reset too. I tried that recently after it glitched out and it fixed it.

Then again, you'll need it replaced due to that cue point light anyway!

I tried that already but thanks anyway.
ill call Denon when I get out from work.

Hahaha!

Government? I need to check my auto correct lol

Chino i cant call Denon because i am getting out late from work, tbh i need to take a day off to talk with the Denon people. Do you think if i take the controller back to guitar center they send it back to Denon or do i need to talk with Denon first?
Tomorrow if i have free time i'll go to guitar center or sunday to see what can i do.
I had to borrow a Rane 62 for a gig tonight and i have some events coming so i need a reliable controller or a mixer.

Cuervo try GC first this weekend and see if they will swap you out for another MCX8000. They have a 30 day warranty in store. So hopefully you haven't exceeded that.

If you're still within the 30 day warranty for GC, you might should think about getting the Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Just always remember with GC if you don't like the hardware, you can return within the 30 day period.

Thanks Chino, i don't like the SX but the S9 is awesome, I used the TTM57 and two Technics 1210M5G and tbh there's a big difference using a controller, you have all in one place but you loose the feeling, the traction. I sold my set up but I still have half of my vinyl collection.

Yes I understand. I come from t/t's as well so I feel the same as you. The only thing I've found that comes close to that feeling is the NS7 series. I have the NS7 & the NS7III for that reason. Those controllers are the closest to giving you that tactile feel of moving platters with torque. But you lose some of the portability of smaller and/or lighter weight controllers.

Cuervo, If your within the 30 day return policy for GC then definitely return it and get a new replacement controller. It will be faster that way. If not then call Denon support when you have a chance. I used my MCx8000 at a gig yesterday and it worked really well. It is definitely a very versatile controller. I ran in standalone mode the last hour of the gig.

I started DJing from vinyl too. There is definitely a difference in the feel of a controller Vs Technics 1200s(vinyl). That's why I hope Denon will make a MCx8000 MKII with direct drive moving platters. I like using controllers for mobile events like weddings, mitzvahs etc. BUT I still keep a pair of 1200s and Denon 3900s in my studio.

Has anyone tried connecting an iPAD directly into the USB 1 or USB 2 ports of the MCx8000? I may buy an iPad Pro to use specifically with the MCx8000. For multi-format gigs (like weddings, quinceaneras, mitzvahs, etc.) it would be easier to search for music on an iPad.

I haven't. I have one but have no music on it.

It would be great if the engine software for iPad was updated so it worked with the MCX.

If only (I know you're reading this Denon!).

Hi everybody,
I'm new to this forum and new to Serato, because of the MCX purchase. So - Hello.
Thanks for this extensive thread, I've been scanning this regularly. Lot's of good info. And concerns too, but I must say I've been really lucky with my MCX.
First:

Hi Chino. Believe it or not but this was a must for me. And the MCX finally was/is the piece of equipment that allows me to go whatever way I want (TT/CDJ, Serato, USB, IPad) and the experience and feel of operating it is just 'real'. (I tried à couple of smaller, cheaper controllers, but coming from TT and CDJ's that never cut it for me).

Anyway. Yes. I have the iPad hooked to the USB port of the MCX and I even have a small add-on controller hooked to the other USB port as well, which is seen by the iPad (app).
I have the feeling I shouldn't be shouting the name of the app on here? I don't want to cause trouble, I'm not against anything either.. This week I'm coming out with a seriously cool midi map for this app. (If you search for hetto vennik on YouTube you can see my DVS and hybrid setups I've had until now with the MCX).

RE: all the trouble and stuff going on with the MCX:
- I have had no distortions. I purchased mine 24th of April and immediately went to 2061 and Engine 1.5.1. Both were just out..
Not any 'real' trouble, to be honest. Practically everything from my list could be fixed:
- I agree on the cue (not pressed) brightness
- Using the prep list (engine) is buggy
- Engine needs to be updated and/or better bpm/sync interaction with the MCX. Really..
- I had massive trouble with analyzing and setting cue points in Serato and importing that in Engine. Many useless attempts. Stumbled on the 'how to' and thought "oh man, I've been doing it wrong!" But still no luck.
After contacting Denon support (contacted more than once andI did report my whole list)
I figured it out myself, it was something I suspected;
I can't import the analyzed+cue points files if they are aiff !! 99% of my collection is aiff.
Yesterday I tried an MP3 and an aiff and only the MP3 was successfully imported.
So, I told support..

Anyway. Thnx for this long and informative thread, and now (as usual) I've given a long answer. Lol.
Just starting to get to know Serato too.

Oh, and about the cue Led's:
it's not easy to convince the support tech of the importance of changing it.
Plus i was told it's not easy to to fix/change, unfortunately. I don't know how close to 'impossible' that is, though.
He mentioned ppl were complaining about the Led's on an older Denon mixer in the past, saying the Led's were way to dimmed in the (not pressed) state (come to think of it now.. maybe there's a misunderstanding about "on vs off" there - right?)
So, at the least it's very important that everyone who want it changed reports it to support.

I also had 2 gigs in (half) sunlight and it was terrible - takes a lot of time and distraction for something normally simple and auto-pilot. And without sun, its bad enough already.

Oh, and Chino one more thing RE:



While using the DJPP app, you have (of coarse) full control over levels and everything imaginable.
But 2 weeks ago, for the first time i tried hooking up the ipad to the MCX without it - to play chill-out music from the web, two hours before the party started.
In this way the only control you have over the ipad/music = the master fader.
Didn't like that!

So it's does streaming audio? Hmmm. Interesting!

Sorry, what does? In this case i was just on Safari.
Normally i play offline/dwnlded tracks only from the ipad.
But the app i use does allow streaming from Deezer (premium account) and can make use of dropbox and itunes match.
But again, i've only really used offline tracks that are on the ipad..
(don't know if you've read all my posts above, you could also check 'hetto vennik' on youtube,
i have 2 (crappy) vids of the MCX setup if you like to know more)
Grtz

Hetto, just to confirm.
Are u connecting the iPad to the TOP USB 1 & 2 ports??
I think this is what Chino is referring to, however it sounds to me like ur talking about controlling software on an iPad using the 8000 as a controller.

Actually, come to think of it. If the 8000 was capable of playing music from the iPad in that way, it'd probably only see the iPad as a usb stick anyway. So track searching. Would still be done on the 8000.

Oh damn - you are right! I never even thought about trying THAT.
Quite sure this won't work though.
Yes i use the MCX as sound card/controller with or without 2 ch USB.
Funny.. Absolutely never thought about the top USB slots.
Sorry for any confusion guys!

Ok, so i just tested that - ipad lightning-USB in USB slot 1 (top panel).
Nothing.
Audio comes from the ipad speakers, USB 1 red dot doesn't light up.
I did get a message on the ipad: "allow this device to access photos and videos?"
Nothing else.
(of coarse you can do this scenario with a HP out - cinch cable, but i have absolutely no doubt you guys know this ;-) )

So, no. And i must say it felt a bit 'wrong' plugging it ion this way - wouldn't want to fry either side of the lightning-USB cable. No idea if that's even possible btw..

Can we not 'edit' posts on this forum?
i wanted to edit my first post saying at the top that i got on the question wrong;
i now read 'USB 1 and 2' as what they are - the top ones. I first read it thinking Chino was just calling the backside usb ports 1 and 2.
So again, sorry for the confusion and thanks for chiming in Acemc before this has gone (more) downhill...
Grtz

No problem Hetto.
Like I said, if it was capable of reading the idevice, browsing & selection would still probably have to be done on the 8000 anyway. So no real benefit doing that way

Yeah, would be the same as a normal stick/drive that way.
Regarding USB 1&2 - i was already happy to find i can plug in one of my external HD's,
a 640GB one. I suppose the difference with the ones that don't work is that this one is Flash?
So for the 2 latest gigs i had my (Deep and Tech) House on a stick in USB1, and lot's of 80's 90's music from the HD in USB2. Good!

^^^ Thanks Hetto & AceMC for checking that out. It was just a thought. I was hoping that I could put a bunch of music on a iPad and search songs using the internal touch keyboard. I have a Sandisk 128GB Ultrafit 3.0 flash drive in the USB 1 port now. It works well. I DJ a lot of open format events that require me to play multiple music genres. A wireless keyboard or an IPad would be very helpful for music searches in general. Maybe a future version of the MCx8000 can include a keyboard on the screens or the ability to plug in a keyboard.

Cool.
Yeah, I get that.
And you would think that wouldn't be so hard to implement with the hub and the Ethernet port etc..
Another thought springs to mind - I downloaded the Engine app on my iPad but haven't used it yet.
could the app not be made useful for this? Although I don't see how the app should see your stick without wifi/Bluetooth on the MCX?
I know the app hasn't been updated for a long time.
I see the 'connect ID' screen, and close the app. Lol. Don't know what to do with it yet.

I think the iPad Engine app was designed for the 3900 CD players but really want to see this updated so it works with the MCX.

It would be great if they did! Come on Denon... I know you're all reading this!

..makes sense after the MCX and Engine 1.5 releases!

I would also like the iPad Engine App improved so it can be used with the MCx8000. Any additional improvements to the music search function would be great. The standalone USB mode is excellent for small 2-3 hour events that don't require searching through a large music library.

Btw, bluetooth on a MKII version of the MCx8000 would be cool too. I could connect an IPad that way or even a wireless bluetooth PA system. That would make set up easier for outdoor events like block parties and wedding ceremonies.

Chino Denon sent me this yesterdad:


Thank you for contacting us.

We are currently experiencing an unusually high number of inquiries volume, and would like to apologize for the delayed response.

It is important to us to help you get up and running with your new product.

If your inquiry has not yet been resolved, please reply to this email with to let us know. You can also contact our support line directly at 401-658-3131, 8:30am to 6:30pm Mo-Fr (not including weekends or holidays).

It seems i am not the only one with the volume issue, the guy at Guitar Center told me that the TTM57 MK II has a similar issue for over a year, i hope Denon fix this soon.

^^^ I would just call Denon support directly. Denon support was able to resolve my issue by sending me a new replacement controller. IMHO Denon support works best when a customer calls instead of emailing.

Ok, i am going to do that, i cant wait to use this monster in a gig.

I just got mine and it's pretty nice definitely a great unit my complaints a on/off Led's are confusing the other issue I don't like is that if I activate and effect (echo out) I can still hear the music on the headphones that leaves a lot of room for error if you forget to turn the effect off. It's surprising because the the NS7ii and NS7iii do not work that way.

Interstitial as the SX does this with FX. I think it's the way the audio is routed in Serato.

The LEDs on the cue buttons are a killer. It's just crazy this passed QC.

**interesting

It's frustrating that companies don't think of how big of a difference those little things make.

Yeah. I just hope LED brightness can be changed or they really shot themselves in the foot with that.

I've had it two months now and still don't know if they are on or off.

+1 for the ridiculously bright LEDs

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
And......... in Engine mode the effect is completely killed when using x-fader!!

Hopefully, the CUE buttons brightness will be able to be changed in the next firmware version. We can also petition Denon directly to make the necessary changes.

No one has confirmed that that is even possible.

This is true, It could actually be a manufacture fault, where the wrong led's were used.
Normally the hardware has 2 separate led's that differ in brightness (lumens).
So even though it seems like it's only one led going brighter & dimmer,
it's actually two, 1 switching off (brighter) & another switching on (dimmer) & vice-versa.
That's why you only have 2 midi states for most led's on controller's (0=off, 127=on).
Let's hold thumbs that this isn't the case here!!!

True, but I've not really heard anything from them at all since the initial batches got released.

LED brightness can be changed on a lot of controllers via MIDI and/or firmware but they've not said anything about whether or not the MXC8000 cue buttons are included in this. They could just be a fixed state.

There has to be some control in firmware as something has to tell the state to be 'dim' or they would just turn off like a standard switched light.

I'm going to guess the dim state is set to 50% where is should be no higher than 10%. They should have a soft glow in the dark so there has to be something telling it to be at the dim state it's at.

Unless there's something other than firmware keeping them at 50%? If there's a resistor involved then we're screwed.

As acemc says, you don't know if they're dimming the LED or there's two LEDs. We won't know until someone from Denon pipes up.

Exactly. But they've been rather quiet recently so let's just hope there's a few things being worked on in firmware as we speak.

I'm going to guess there will be one coming soon as the StageLinq port will be getting its software to run video and lights so let's hope there's tweaks to the existing setup in the form of improvements.

I just realised we posted at the same time... Similar things!

I don't know if they'd admit if it was a manufacturing fault as there's no showstopping performance issues as such. I think they'd go with a "It's meant to be like that to see if the sunshine" positive spin.
The only controller I can remember being recalled from memory was the SZ but that was the performance on the jog wheels. The SX really got away with a modified firmware to get around the mic issue but that was still faulty hardware. Pio kinda fudged it and managed to cover the mic resistance issues but it was a close one and only improved it, not cured it.

When the final prototypes went to Denon so they can check they are happy with them, did anyone say "these lights are a bit bright seeing as they are meant to be off". Did anyone test them for a few weeks in a club environment? I think if they had they'd have come across a few design quirks that don't lend themselves to muscle memory very well.

Having a play, sync and loop and shift buttons on different sides while keeping the screen and pad modes the same sends me crazy.

Pressing shift then going to a secondary option around the screens is different per side. Also the sync and loop buttons are swapped. I keep exiting the loop on one deck instead syncing.
Commonly used buttons really should be the same both sides. I suppose many may like that the buttons are moved about depending if tour playing a song on deck A or deck B but I like uniformity. I like to not have to concentrate on what I'm pressing and put that energy into a performance rather than be aware of buttons locations as they've changed since I've started up the last song.

Since SDJ now has the ability to be MIDI mapped, I decided to try to remap the CUE buttons to be completely OFF when not pressed and completely ON when pressed on. It didn't work. I also called Denon support today to see if they knew a way to MIDI map the controller so the CUE buttons could function that way. The Denon rep I spoke to didn't know if it could be done or not. Apparently, Denon is aware of the situation with the CUE buttons BUT there is no ETA as to when a firmware fix will be available. From what I gathered from the Denon Rep, a firmware fix is possible but "he doesn't know when or if a firmware fix will become available". The Denon Rep stressed the need for patience.

MY recommendation is that if enough Denon customers make A LOT of noise to urge Denon to make the necessary changes then perhaps Denon will do so.

Great news!!
Thanks Chino.

Yeah, about the CUE Leds - i mentioned in a post above support told me it would be hard to change, exact words are:
"Unfortunately the brightness of the LED’s are not something which can be easily adjusted and I think is a matter of preference."
And then a part about users of an older Denon mixer that asked for a brighter-dimmed state..

So that does not sound as impossible! I hope everyone requests this, as i only see people agreeing on this online.

Where to request it though?

I opened a ticked and mailed Denon support - Not the way to go, you think?
(i had about 5 things in the ticked and eventually 6)

Maybe Chino's idea to petition is a good one? I'd want to put my vote, but how do we achieve this?

This just proves that there is two different led's for the on & off state.
Serato is only switching one led on & off. The other (dimmer led) is constantly staying on!!
We need to find out the midi value for those secondary led's, then we could modify the XML to switch off those led's.

^ makes sense.
It's not in the midi legend, I'm quite sure.
I suppose you guys know there's a downloadable midi legend for a while?
I asked for one when there wasn't one around yet,
It's put on the 'my products' page now as well.

(Btw: At first, I was thinking this part of the MCX might not be mappable at all - like quite some other parts as que/mix ratio, headphone volume and of coarse the mic. stuff etc
Which makes sense for those buttons/knobs to me, because it's a standalone mixer as well).

If u look at the midi list Denon provided, you'll notice there are quite a few number jumps between certain buttons on the same channels. Eg decks & mixer are ch's 1,2,3,4. Pfl button number is 27 which obviously controls the bright pfl led. There is no number 26,28 or 29. Any one of those could possibly control the dimmer pfl led. I'm gonna try play with midi ox & see what I can figure out.

I has a look at the MIDI legend when they put it up to see this exact reason. Shame but it's just for the basic controls.

Yeah, many unused numbers on a silly amount of midi channels! ;-)

I think Denon is reserving some of the MIDI channels for the upcoming Stagelinc protocol. I was able to MIDI map SDJ to have the CUE button turn brighter(as if it is pressed on) but I could not completely turn the CUE lights off. I do believe there are two separate LED lights for the CUE buttons. No matter what I tried, the CUE buttons remained lit.

Yeah, Stagelinq makes sense there. Yes, must be two leds (i mapped the cue led's as well and get the same results)
the next question is if we can access it. Maybe not, and maybe that's the reason why it isn't an easy fix for Denon!?

What I'd really like, and is most likely impossible, is to change the echo buttons into mic on/off switches, and the on/off switch into an echo button that affects both mics simultaneously.

I'm unable to map any of the 'mode' buttons of the 8000.
I checked and the mode buttons do actually send midi data, so this could be a Serato bug / limitation. Another interesting thing is that there are other buttons that dim in the default mapping, but only switch on & off if I manually map them. This seems to suggest that there are actually some led's that have a fully on, off & dim state too.
A combination of limited midi functionality from Serato and incomplete midi data supplied to us from Denon leaves us in a situation where we can't even solve problems for ourselves.
After the dropping large cash on this controller, we're still at the mercy of Serato & Denon!!

It just amazes me that they still do that "never-perfect trick". We finally get (what i believe to be) the controller we've all been waiting for, just to find this little thing that no dj would have over-looked if been consulted with.
Instead of giving us that perfect unit, they'll release a better one, called mcx10000 (..) next year.
Me as a customer, maybe I should stick to my 3900 (the perfect unit in its category, no doubt) and wait the usual 3 mcx generations like i should've done in the past (dns-4500, and so on).
Not adding anything to the discussion lol, just really don't like denon's silence so far. Hope they'll fix it tho.

First I want to say 2 things:
- I still love my MCX and I'm not leaving it, even with the Christmas tree dimmed cue led's. ;-)
- this exact thread here is the most informative one about the MCX on the whole interwebz,
Afaik. Really good.




- about the modes: this seems to be a specific trick and could be hard to do, depending on the software support/implementation. I didn't map in Serato, but I know from MIXXX that you'd have to it in a java script because the pads send the same midi messages in all modes.
I mapped the modes in my iOS app, but it was easy for me since the developer listened and implemented pad modes.
Of course since it all works in Serato already, you should be able to replicate or map it yourself, unless they kept it 'under the hood', maybe with a difficult Java kind of approach?

- about the led's - true. And it's remarkable too that in 'no mapping' state, all those led's are really dimmed - exept for the que ones, these are brighter already!
Once you map the others, then they become on or off, instead of dimmed, I noticed.

Would make more sense, but these buttons for sure aren't midi mappable and that would likely be because of the (fixed) internal hardware routing.

I was hoping that we could just change the MIDI mapping for the CUE button brightness ourselves but apparently it's not possible.

Denon (if your listening) we NEED a firmware fix for the CUE button brightness ASAP!!! Since we are on the topic of improvements… Engine needs some love too!

I also still love the 8000. If only serato & denon would play open cards with us, we could very possibly sort our own problems, instead of us wishing on a star that maybe someday they'll assist.

Hi everyone , 2 weeks ago I got this amazing Denon controller, but when I opened, I found out 1 huge and deep scratch in the back of the controller, plus it looked like it was packaged in a rush, so I went back to GC! And they did exchanged for another one. So the second unit I did updated to latest firmware, and seems like it's working fine, I did got a couple of screen freezes while using SDJ, but it went away after changing the USB port in my pc, a W10. Now after following this discussion, I'm wondering if a got the first batch, that can maybe give me issues in the future ? I'm still 2 weeks away from the 30 days deadline, I just been really busy, to tested for long enough. So my question to you gentlemens, is: is there anything that I should be looking out in the unit before I meet the deadline at GC? I'm just worry that I gonna get stuck with a unit that maybe will be defectous from the beginning . (Since I'm asuming it's the first batch) the guy at GC told me that he wasn't sure if this was part of the first order that they got, he just knew that they have been sitting there for over a month . I bought it on June 30th. And have a Lenovo y50 Windows 10 , SDJ. Thank you all and sorry if is a silly question. But wanted to be informed before time goes by. Thank you in advance.

If it's faulty it will be covered under warranty for at least a year so I wouldn't worry.

In the UK they come out 4 weeks later than other places like the states and Australia yet my batch number was lower than some of the first ones shipped.

Other than some free screen freezes on Windows 10 when I first got it it's been issue free. I've never had a problem under Mac in the month I've used it with it. Not so much as a stutter.

I did get the distortion over time issue but a factory reset cured that and it never came back.

Don't worry. It's a great controller with a few design quirks but you'll see past it. It's great fun to use and is the best controller out there.

Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce

I've only ever has that once and it was with Serato. Give it a factory reset and see how it goes.

Strangely it happened weeks after getting it too. Glad to see you're enjoying it. I love it still.

Try to adjust the Audio latency to 10

It could work for him but in my issue it crept back in again after half an hour. I raised it again and after half an hour it came back so again I went up until it was at maximum and it was just creeping in towards the end of the 5 hour gig.

Cheers, I'll try that tonight.

I also see that some Macs have usb issues, so I'll have a play with it.

I'll report back my findings. Thanks again :)

I've not had any issues with a 2012 Mac but Windows I has issues. I think it's driver related.

Was so excited to buy this controller at launch and put my trust back into Denon after all these years. All started off so well but to be honest the lack in any firmware update to address the issues that have been mentioned in this thread time and time again is quite frankly disappointing.

Denon?

Honestly, it's still a great controller.

Looking at previous firmware releases they come every two months so there will be another one.

The cue lighting may not be fixed with firmware so who know? It's still a great controller though.

Yeah, Played with it for over 90 minutes tonight and recorded it all...No issues at all.

Im used to the mirroring, Im getting used to the cue lights (lol), its a real solid piece of kit.

Kinda wish they would open up channels 3&4 for VSL (currently on 1&2 work) so I could use 1 & 2 for engine, not a major hassle though.

This would be great. We just need to nag Serato on that.

The rest is just learning really and you seem to be getting on just fine. I've got the Magma flight case comino in the morning as they are all in stock now. They are very expensive at £144 but suppose I need one. I've been taking it in its cardboard box to gigs.

*coming in the morning

I've been checking out this unit for a little bit; it's like a Numark NV and a Pioneer SZ got in a Brundle telepod together. Nice to know what to look for if I end up getting one.


Very helpful thread :)

I use my mine every weekend on my mobile gigs and i'm very happy it performs well no issue... i use serato and engine

+100 great controller so far no issues with Serato and engine all I wish for is that we will be able at some point to use an iPad for search and give us the sync bars like Serato I've gotten been spoiled not using any headphones

Actually Denon has been coming out with firmware updates regularly (1.1, 1.2, etc.) within a couple of months of eachother. They have been steadily addressing issues and making overall improvements to the MCx8000. I would definitely like the brightness of the CUE buttons changed BUT the MCx8000 is still a GREAT controller as is. I use it weekly at mobile gigs. Denon just needs to continue improving Engine. I'm also interested to see how Stagelinq works.

Btw, summer NAMM is around the corner so maybe Denon is waiting to roll out a new firmware update then. I hope they finally release their Stagelinq product too.

Hey Denon...

Both of these buttons are turned "off". Please fix it.

drive.google.com

Guys, I thought I had figured out a possible workaround for the time being, for the CUE led's.
I think it will fail though and it might not be possible. But still - here's a thought:
Some led's 'blink' on occasions/buttons, right?

I was thinking a blinking CUE on state, might be better than an 'on' on state - you might notice the blinking better than just (127/full) on.
However, since this CUE handling is all about being really quick, without thinking, waiting to notice the blinking might take too long - fail.
And there's another thing; I asked someone from Denon on the Denon FB page about the control nr for blinking and he said it doesn't exist. (It's unfindable in the midi legend too).
But of coarse it can be done cause it happens with Serato for sure and also with Engine (?), right?
I told that the Behringer CMD series use note nr 2 for blinking. But he said he didn't know of this and that it doesn't work like this on the MCX.

I thought I'd just share this anyway, maybe some of you see something in this and maybe it is a doable workaround?

If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.

Haha, yeah thought about that too for a sec.
Let's see who's the first with a YouTube tutorial for that procedure ;-)

... Or an actual service..

an iFixit style breakdown of it!

Saying that, I did that on the Denon forums (with pics) after I replaced some buttons that broken on the X900 mixer and they removed it as I had my say about the design of the buttons and how weak they was.

They denied the thread existed and I had screen caps of it! I lost faith then so this is my first Denon unit since. I hope they can fix it but if not I'll mod it myself.

Needs to go underground then! ;-)

... Back on topic ➡️

Interesting.

10/10 for research!!!

How brave! I did this once on a secondhand €180.- controller, but I just don't have the guts to do this with the MCX. (At least not now).
Hope the real fix will be there sooner.

Btw: the echo on the mic is just on/off isn't it? Or am I missing something?
It would be useful to tap to bpm or set the ms's or something.
I suppose we can forget that happening, if it can't be done now? Or maybe thru the utility menu - echo - bpm/ms ?

I don't use a mic myself, but I hooked one up at a gig on the MCX already once,
And I could see this happening here and there with an MCX whose lines should be in tempo with echo.
The only way I can see this made possible now is hooking up the MCX on another mixer and connect the mic there.

Edit - an MC whose words (lines) should have an echo/delay, but the echo should definitely be matched to the tempo.

Well, if you're gonna go to that extreme & open it up, you might as well just change it out for a slightly dimmer led. At least that way you still have a fully functional controller.
To be honest, that's exactly what I'm gonna do if Denon don't sort this issue out.

Thats exactly how I've been carrying mine. Im looking into making a decent carry bag for it....It'll be a WIP as Im fairly handy with a sewing machine. I'll see how I get on.

My Magma flighcase came today. it's bigger than it should be.

Nice though. The one I had fist had to go back as it was damaged.

The Magma CTRL case looks good. I had one for the SX.

I using the Magma CTRL Case for DDJ-Sz

www.zzounds.com

www.juno.co.uk

They are out now for the MCX

Dope! But if you have one for the SZ don't waste your money just use that one Ive had no issues with mine

Definitely. This Magma one is too big. It could have been made a little smaller.

Oh that looks decent and a decent price too.

*UPDATE*

I'm noticing some BIG improvements to how the Denon MCx8000 runs with Public Beta SDJ 1.9.2. in MY setup. The wave forms are MUCH smoother now. Music searches happen faster and smoother as well. The music scroll bar cursor color has changed too. It's easier to see now. There was a specific pitch bug in the MCx8000 that was fixed. Overall, there are lots of improvements included with this maintenance update. It's definitely worth checking out!


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) Nvidia Ge Force GT 650M 1024MB

Good to know. Thanks for the update Chino.

Thanks for the update looking forward to the final version

That's stange, it's still blue on mine. What colour is yours?
The pitch+shift has been sorted out - I'm really happy about that!!!

Out of interest ...
Can you assign fx to the mic channels ??
I can see the echo (how is this?)
I have a denon mc6000mk2 and radio mics are way to hot .. Fx is only the echo built it ..
I just wondered if you can route a fx with serato to the mic channel .. Ps pionner won't do this on a Ddj-sx :(

Can't apply SDJ fx to the mic sadly.
Also no inbuilt fx except echo on mic.

The FX are built inside Serato but the mic output comes from the hardware. It's the same with the DDJ-SX so the mic can't be routed.

Would be good to see one day though.

Previously the scroll cursor(all the way to the right of the SDJ screen) was a dark gray. In SDJ Public Beta 1.9.2 it is now a lighter gray with more contrast. It is now easier to see especially when your scrolling through a large music library.

RE: Mic FX routing

thats a shame, but not unexpected... would be a fantastic feature !! not just karaoke but for beat boxing, vocal looping cleaver chaps

It would be great. If Serato could have a routing option for the mic channel that runs through it it would be great.

Also allow us to route our vinyl / cds through the software, to allow the use of effects on our external media. I know this can be done because the timecode signal goes to the software. So there's no real reason why we can't route our vinyl thru

Happy to report that the MCx8000 performed flawlessly at my two outdoor events this weekend. I was able to run the USB latency in SDJ at 5ms. I DJed completely standalone for the last hour of today's event too.

The only annoyance…. wait for it…...was the brightness of the CUE buttons of course! It's extremely hard to tell whether they are on or not in daylight. I'm eagerly checking the Denon website weekly in hopes of a firmware fix!!

Hey Guys I haven't found out an answer to one question I have been trying to research. I understand the MCX8000 only comes with three effects is limited to Serato as well or if using Serato DJ you have access to all the effects it comes with. So far I am feeling the MCX8000.

I don't understand the question. When using Serato you have access to all the FX.

I think this is what you want to know:

- in Engine USB mode you only have 3 dedicated Denon FX (and 2 channels USB max)
- With Serato you have all Serato FX available (and 4 channel max)
Or you can use the unit with, for example, 2 ch USB and 2 ch Serato
- No, the MCX is not limited to Serato at all, but it is made for it/with Serato, so the intergration is fantastic

Forgot to mention trying to make clear Serato is the best and obvious choice of software;

- the onboard screens only work with Serato (a.t.m. At least)
- cool Serato stuff like the new Pitch & time is tailor made as well as Flip etc is all there

This is great news. Are you still managing to log into the Denon Dj website.

Ive registered my MCX8000 and got in once, but cant get into the forums!

Ever since Denon started using Numark support, the Denon forums are gone.

Aaah ok, that makes sense! I registered the unit, but I cant even log into my account. Don't suppose there is any need to then!

Site was deleted by accident back in April by their hosting company..

www.bbc.com

I had an issue last week where I couldn't log into the Denon site with my username and password to check for firmware updates. It seems to be okay now but it wasn't recognising it for some reason.

Thats exactly whats happening with me. I even requested a new password, they keep saying its been emailed, but nothing has arrived.

I'll persevere...

Soooo....any updates then? Lol