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Denon MCx8000 First Impressions after 3 hrs of use

Chino 12:34 AM - 2 April, 2016
My Denon MCx8000 finally arrived yesterday. As soon as I got it home, I unboxed it and set it up. Previously, I downloaded Engine 1.5 and set up a couple of playlists to test the unit out. There is a lot to talk about so I will break it down into two categories… build quality and performance.
Build Quality:
The unit is SOLID with an all metal construction. The 4.3 inch screens are detailed and bright. Brightness levels can also be adjusted. I do wish the screens where larger and touch sensitive but overall they serve their purpose well. All music tag info like name, artist, bpm, key and the music wave forms can be easily seen. Denon's stock cross fader on the MCx8000 is smooth and has a really good sharp cut. I was pleasantly surprised! The fader can also be replaced with a mini innofader. I'm usually not a fan of most platters on controllers. I prefer the feel of vinyl or direct drive platters like those found in the Denon sc3900s. To say that Denon exceeded my expectations is an under statement!! The MCx8000's platters are solid and responsive. The brake and touch sensitivity can be adjusted. The led light around the platter can also be turned off. Well done Denon! Another plus are the pads. This controller sports 8 pads per side that are multicolored, velocity sensitive and they feel great!. The Keymode feature is extremely fun to use as well. Lastly, the four channel mixer is well laid out. I like that it doesn't feel cramped. As you might already have guessed… Denon's build quality is excellent!
Performance:
I don't care how good a controller looks or how well built it is unless it performs extremely well. That means I need to be able to depend on the unit with no freezes or crashes. I also expect little to no lag. Happily, the Denon MCx8000 ran smoothly for the entire 3 hours of testing. I purposely switched between Engine 1.5 and SDJ 1.8.2 constantly to see if I would experience any issues. I also ran the Pitch N Time plug in and Mix Emergency 2.7.1 at the same time. Everything worked as it should. The only issue I found was that the hardware master volume knob does not affect the SDJ master volume. I wasn't sure if this is by design or not so I put in a help ticket to Serato Support just in case. Another thing to point out is that I'm using a maxed out Mac Book Pro (mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD). I even tested the MCx8000 using an older laptop (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD). It performed very well especially considering that SDJ 1.8.2 doesn't support core duo processors!
I do plan on further testing the unit before I use it at a live gig. It will be interesting to see if Engine 1.5 can be an alternative to having to use a laptop. So far, the Denon MCx8000 is a winner and I HIGHLY recommend it!

Special shout out to Ross Goodwin and his team over at Denon! GREAT JOB!… I hope to see a MCx9000 in the near future with larger touch screens and direct drive platters (hint, hint..)
Tommyoz 2:00 AM - 2 April, 2016
Nice to hear your thoughts. I like the controller as well. However, I didn't get much playing time with it. Mine is on the way back for a replacement. Line in 3 with Serato DVS was defective. I too am a direct drive platter fan. I currently have the Numark NS7 III but after playing with the MCX8000 I may decide to sell it in favor of the Denon. I still have a Pair of SC3900's so I'll still have that feature with those.
FredrikA 9:08 AM - 2 April, 2016
That's excellent news! I'm trying to do a serious comparison between the MCX8000 and XDJ-RX to help me decide which one to buy. Yesterday I got the chance to try the XDJ-RX at a local DJ-store. My experience was even better than my expectations. So I'm really interested in hearing from someone who has tried both of them.
Have you tried the RX as well?
Chino 1:47 PM - 2 April, 2016
I haven't had the chance to try out the RX.
RIDDIMNBLUES 3:16 PM - 2 April, 2016
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My Denon MCx8000 finally arrived yesterday. As soon as I got it home, I unboxed it and set it up. Previously, I downloaded Engine 1.5 and set up a couple of playlists to test the unit out. There is a lot to talk about so I will break it down into two categories… build quality and performance.
Build Quality:
The unit is SOLID with an all metal construction. The 4.3 inch screens are detailed and bright. Brightness levels can also be adjusted. I do wish the screens where larger and touch sensitive but overall they serve their purpose well. All music tag info like name, artist, bpm, key and the music wave forms can be easily seen. Denon's stock cross fader on the MCx8000 is smooth and has a really good sharp cut. I was pleasantly surprised! The fader can also be replaced with a mini innofader. I'm usually not a fan of most platters on controllers. I prefer the feel of vinyl or direct drive platters like those found in the Denon sc3900s. To say that Denon exceeded my expectations is an under statement!! The MCx8000's platters are solid and responsive. The brake and touch sensitivity can be adjusted. The led light around the platter can also be turned off. Well done Denon! Another plus are the pads. This controller sports 8 pads per side that are multicolored, velocity sensitive and they feel great!. The Keymode feature is extremely fun to use as well. Lastly, the four channel mixer is well laid out. I like that it doesn't feel cramped. As you might already have guessed… Denon's build quality is excellent!
Performance:
I don't care how good a controller looks or how well built it is unless it performs extremely well. That means I need to be able to depend on the unit with no freezes or crashes. I also expect little to no lag. Happily, the Denon MCx8000 ran smoothly for the entire 3 hours of testing. I purposely switched between Engine 1.5 and SDJ 1.8.2 constantly to see if I would experience any issues. I also ran the Pitch N Time plug in and Mix Emergency 2.7.1 at the same time. Everything worked as it should. The only issue I found was that the hardware master volume knob does not affect the SDJ master volume. I wasn't sure if this is by design or not so I put in a help ticket to Serato Support just in case. Another thing to point out is that I'm using a maxed out Mac Book Pro (mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD). I even tested the MCx8000 using an older laptop (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD). It performed very well especially considering that SDJ 1.8.2 doesn't support core duo processors!
I do plan on further testing the unit before I use it at a live gig. It will be interesting to see if Engine 1.5 can be an alternative to having to use a laptop. So far, the Denon MCx8000 is a winner and I HIGHLY recommend it!

Special shout out to Ross Goodwin and his team over at Denon! GREAT JOB!… I hope to see a MCx9000 in the near future with larger touch screens and direct drive platters (hint, hint..)


How is the sound quality? thats gonna be very imortant to me because my ddj sx sound quality is poor..
RIDDIMNBLUES 3:18 PM - 2 April, 2016
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My Denon MCx8000 finally arrived yesterday. As soon as I got it home, I unboxed it and set it up. Previously, I downloaded Engine 1.5 and set up a couple of playlists to test the unit out. There is a lot to talk about so I will break it down into two categories… build quality and performance.
Build Quality:
The unit is SOLID with an all metal construction. The 4.3 inch screens are detailed and bright. Brightness levels can also be adjusted. I do wish the screens where larger and touch sensitive but overall they serve their purpose well. All music tag info like name, artist, bpm, key and the music wave forms can be easily seen. Denon's stock cross fader on the MCx8000 is smooth and has a really good sharp cut. I was pleasantly surprised! The fader can also be replaced with a mini innofader. I'm usually not a fan of most platters on controllers. I prefer the feel of vinyl or direct drive platters like those found in the Denon sc3900s. To say that Denon exceeded my expectations is an under statement!! The MCx8000's platters are solid and responsive. The brake and touch sensitivity can be adjusted. The led light around the platter can also be turned off. Well done Denon! Another plus are the pads. This controller sports 8 pads per side that are multicolored, velocity sensitive and they feel great!. The Keymode feature is extremely fun to use as well. Lastly, the four channel mixer is well laid out. I like that it doesn't feel cramped. As you might already have guessed… Denon's build quality is excellent!
Performance:
I don't care how good a controller looks or how well built it is unless it performs extremely well. That means I need to be able to depend on the unit with no freezes or crashes. I also expect little to no lag. Happily, the Denon MCx8000 ran smoothly for the entire 3 hours of testing. I purposely switched between Engine 1.5 and SDJ 1.8.2 constantly to see if I would experience any issues. I also ran the Pitch N Time plug in and Mix Emergency 2.7.1 at the same time. Everything worked as it should. The only issue I found was that the hardware master volume knob does not affect the SDJ master volume. I wasn't sure if this is by design or not so I put in a help ticket to Serato Support just in case. Another thing to point out is that I'm using a maxed out Mac Book Pro (mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD). I even tested the MCx8000 using an older laptop (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD). It performed very well especially considering that SDJ 1.8.2 doesn't support core duo processors!
I do plan on further testing the unit before I use it at a live gig. It will be interesting to see if Engine 1.5 can be an alternative to having to use a laptop. So far, the Denon MCx8000 is a winner and I HIGHLY recommend it!

Special shout out to Ross Goodwin and his team over at Denon! GREAT JOB!… I hope to see a MCx9000 in the near future with larger touch screens and direct drive platters (hint, hint..)


How is the sound quality? thats gonna be very imortant to me because my ddj sx sound quality is poor..


oh and nice review ithink you covered evrything i wanted to know except the sound quality
Chino 3:58 PM - 2 April, 2016
Sound quality is great. I tested the controller using the XLR master and booth outs. The overall sound is loud and very clean.
RIDDIMNBLUES 4:08 PM - 2 April, 2016
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Sound quality is great. I tested the controller using the XLR master and booth outs. The overall sound is loud and very clean.


have you ever used a ddj sx or sx2? can you compare the sound quality to the denon?
Tommyoz 6:34 PM - 2 April, 2016
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Sound quality is great. I tested the controller using the XLR master and booth outs. The overall sound is loud and very clean.


have you ever used a ddj sx or sx2? can you compare the sound quality to the denon?


I have used the SX2 and I can say that I preferred the sound quality from the Denon and better built too.
RIDDIMNBLUES 7:05 PM - 2 April, 2016
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Sound quality is great. I tested the controller using the XLR master and booth outs. The overall sound is loud and very clean.


have you ever used a ddj sx or sx2? can you compare the sound quality to the denon?


I have used the SX2 and I can say that I preferred the sound quality from the Denon and better built too.


thanks
Chino 7:06 PM - 3 April, 2016
I forgot to mention another cool feature of the MCx8000. There is an extra usb port on the back. I plugged in my 1 TB G-drive into it and it read it with no issues at all. This feature is VERY handy especially for Mac users.
Tommyoz 7:31 PM - 3 April, 2016
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I forgot to mention another cool feature of the MCx8000. There is an extra usb port on the back. I plugged in my 1 TB G-drive into it and it read it with no issues at all. This feature is VERY handy especially for Mac users.

The Numark NS7 III has that feature as well.
Chino 7:54 PM - 3 April, 2016
I was VERY tempted to buy a NS7 III. I definitely like the direct drive platters on it. The overall size and weight of the unit is what stopped me. I needed a unit that was more portable because I am a mobile DJ. Another reason I did't buy the NS7 III is because I had ALOT of issues with a previous Numark product. I use to own a pair of Numark CDXs. Those units were known for having faulty cd drives. I spent more time (and money) sending the units in for repairs and replacing the CD drives then I did playing with the units!
DJ gsr 9:08 PM - 3 April, 2016
Thanks guys for all the review.
I'm impressed to all this features , I don't know if I'm going to wait for bigger plater like pioneer sz .
It's been 7 My djm800 and cdj800 mk2.
Tommyoz 11:17 PM - 3 April, 2016
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I was VERY tempted to buy a NS7 III. I definitely like the direct drive platters on it. The overall size and weight of the unit is what stopped me. I needed a unit that was more portable because I am a mobile DJ. Another reason I did't buy the NS7 III is because I had ALOT of issues with a previous Numark product. I use to own a pair of Numark CDXs. Those units were known for having faulty cd drives. I spent more time (and money) sending the units in for repairs and replacing the CD drives then I did playing with the units!


I hear ya Chino. It's a much heavier piece than the rest. But it's a pretty solid controller. You know it's well built if it's that heavy. Like you mentioned before, would love to see the MCX8000 with direct drive platters. I'm waiting for my unit to come back so I can really test it.
DJ gsr 12:22 AM - 4 April, 2016
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Thanks guys for all the review.
I'm impressed to all this features , I don't know if I'm going to wait for bigger plater like pioneer sz .
It's been 7yrs My djm800 and cdj800 mk2.
Chino 12:42 AM - 4 April, 2016
Support just emailed me and verified that in the Denon MCx8000…

"The hardware and software masters are controlled independent of each other as the MCX8000 is also a stand alone mixer"...

so what I identified is NOT a bug. It's designed to function that way.
Marv Incredible 1:28 AM - 4 April, 2016
^With SDJ's new re-mapping abilities, you might be able to link them up yourself.
Chino 1:10 PM - 4 April, 2016
Thanks for that suggestions! I completely forgot about that new feature in SDJ. I'll have to try it out.
Rebelguy 1:10 AM - 5 April, 2016
How is the platter size compared to the SZ? Nobody seems to have them available in my area yet to check out.
RIDDIMNBLUES 12:11 PM - 5 April, 2016
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How is the platter size compared to the SZ? Nobody seems to have them available in my area yet to check out.


its much smaller...word is it feels good and very responsive..
akakak 12:16 PM - 5 April, 2016
The platter size is the biggest win for the SZ, but the unit itself is too big IMO. I miss my SX. This looks like a great alternative.

I'm assuming you can't adjust the tension on the platters?

I know it has three effects built-in - does anyone know if these would ever be firmware upgradeable? I believe they're software, not hardware?

What are the negatives?
Chino 4:52 PM - 5 April, 2016
^^^ You can adjust the touch sensitivity and the brake but not the overall platter tension. Not sure if the effects are upgradeable via firmware. That would be a nice if it could be upgraded.

I have discovered a major issue in round two of my Denon MCx8000 controller testing. After about 2 1/2 hours of running SDJ 1.9.0, the master output begins to distort badly. It's to the point that the music stops playing. This also happens if I run SDJ 1.8.2. I've optimized my MBP, replaced the USB cable and the XLR cables but the distortion still occurs. I've tried using another USB port and did a clean install of SDJ but that does't correct the issue. It's also been tested on another MBP I own (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD) the distortion still happens. The weird thing is that it only happenss when I have the controller connected to my computer using SDJ. I've tested the MCx8000 in standalone mode for 3+ hours and it works fine with no issues. I opened a ticket with Serato Support and Denon DJ. They were both sent multiple videos of the master output distortion. Denon indicated that I will be receiving a phone call today with a possible fix. I'm hoping the controller just needs a firmware update but I didn't see any news of a new firmware update on their website. I will provide an update once I hear back from Denon and Serato Support.

The plan was to use the MCx8000 for an event I have this weekend. Looks like I will be using what works….. Scratch Live. I'm really trying to give SDJ a chance but all the issues I've experienced so far make me question that decision.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
akakak 5:05 PM - 5 April, 2016
That's a shame. Sucks for you. :( Can you fix it by restarting?

Please update this thread with what you find.
Chino 5:30 PM - 5 April, 2016
^ I tried restarting the computer and the controller multiple times but the distortion is still there.

I did receive a call back from Denon. The rep was very helpful. It's nice to experience good customer service! Denon's rep is checking with development to see if there is a possible firmware updated that will correct this issue. I received a controller from the first release batch so it's definitely possible that there is another firmware update. As soon as he finds out he will let me know.(fingers crossed!)
DJKayce 6:43 PM - 5 April, 2016
Hey guys, what of the Mic section of the controller? Dose it have full kill? Am using Denon mc6000 mk2 while waiting on this might controller mxc8000. On my 6000mk2, when the Mic vol is at 0, you can still talk over the microphone which i don't like and Denon rep said thats the way it was built.
Pls can someone confirm this for me? Dose the mxc8000 HAS full kill on the mic section.
Chino 7:12 PM - 5 April, 2016
I just tested it out for you. It has FULL kill on both Mic 1 and Mic 2. You can NOT hear anything with the Mic volume turned to 0. The Mic volume is loud and clear too. I use an EV R300 Mic and a shure SM58 wireless mic.

I literally have my MCx8000 setup on my kitchen table so if you need me to check on anything else just let me know. I've been testing the MCX8000 out for the last couple days to make sure it can be used at a live gig.
DJKayce 7:20 PM - 5 April, 2016
Wow thats good news. Thats my only concern about denon. Am using MC6000mk2 and I like it a lot but d mic section sucks without full kill on their gain control.
Thanks again for checking that out for me.
skinnyguy 7:22 PM - 5 April, 2016
i haven't had a chance to test my mic yet. is it a mic sensitivity knob or a mic volume knob? i believe the 6000s had a mic sensitivity....which is why the mic was still able to be heard with the knob turned down, depending if the person speaking was a naturally loud speaker. i felt this was annoying as hell too.
FredrikA 8:10 PM - 5 April, 2016
How is the feel of the performance pads and the play/cue buttons, and are they rubber or plastic?
J.J. 10:36 PM - 5 April, 2016
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After about 2 1/2 hours of running SDJ 1.9.0, the master output begins to distort badly. It's to the point that the music stops playing.


Sounds very familiar to the bug on the NS7ii. Very upsetting because it took 8 months for Numark and Serato to fix it. Stuff like this NEVER happened on Scratch Live with Rane hardware.
Chino 1:26 AM - 6 April, 2016
@FredrikA...the pads are made of a a silicon rubber. Similar to what the new Rane 57mkII pads feel like only much larger. They are really responsive and have a nice overall feel to them.

*UPDATE* Round 3 of the Denon MCx8000 testing has begun. Let me start of by THANKING Denon in particular Rich Muggle who is part of inBrand's Support team. Rich went above and beyond today to correct the distortion issue I was experiencing. Yes, it is frustrating when an expensive piece of DJ equipment does not work right. What is even more frustrating is that most companies neglect the customer support that is needed after a purchase has already been made.

Today Denon showed me what type of company they are. Their representative, Rich, personally called me to fix the issue. He listened, was knowledgeable and truly demonstrated that Denon cares about their customers. As it turns out, all I needed to do was update the controller's firmware. The new firmware is MCU 2061. I have not experienced any more distortion in the two additional hours of testing that I have done since updating the firmware.

This experience has taught me to appreciate good customer service. I will continue to buy products from companies like Denon, Rane and Serato. It also made me realize that sometimes I may be too critical of Serato. I was quick to blame SDJ when in fact all I needed was a firmware update. I agree that SDJ has some BIG shoes to fill. Scratch Live was and STILL IS an EXCELLENT DJ program. Is there room for improvement in SDJ? Yes, but I do see SDJ maturing into a stable, reliable DJ software program.
skinnyguy 2:09 AM - 6 April, 2016
new firmware?
dj Krazey leo 5:24 AM - 6 April, 2016
@ Chino is the new firmware posted on denons website? Thanks in advance
DJ Tecniq 10:42 AM - 6 April, 2016
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Sounds very familiar to the bug on the NS7ii. Very upsetting because it took 8 months for Numark and Serato to fix it. Stuff like this NEVER happened on Scratch Live with Rane hardware.
PREACH!!
Chino 12:57 PM - 6 April, 2016
@skinnyguy & dj Krazey Leo… My MCx8000 was part of the first batch of controllers sent out with an earlier firmware. You may already have the firmware version that I updated to. To check to see which version is on your controller:

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until your in the UTILITY menu
2. Scroll down until you see SYSTEM INFORMATION
3. Under SYSTEM INFORMATION you will see Engine Version & MCU Version
4. The latest Engine Version is 0143. The latest MCU Version is 2061.
dj Krazey leo 4:57 PM - 6 April, 2016
Thank you I'll check and see.
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 8:38 PM - 6 April, 2016
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@skinnyguy & dj Krazey Leo… My MCx8000 was part of the first batch of controllers sent out with an earlier firmware. You may already have the firmware version that I updated to. To check to see which version is on your controller:

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until your in the UTILITY menu
2. Scroll down until you see SYSTEM INFORMATION
3. Under SYSTEM INFORMATION you will see Engine Version & MCU Version
4. The latest Engine Version is 0143. The latest MCU Version is 2061.


Hello Everyone,

This is Chris from Denon DJ. Thanks Chino for posting your directions! Everyone, please follow it as it will help you navigate and view your firmware version on the controller.

If your MCX8000 has a firmware version that is below MCU version of 2057, which we find to be highly unlikely, then please contact Denon DJ technical support right away to rectify this - denondj.com.

Any distortion, latency, wave form or platter sensitivity issues can be rectified by reverting your MCX8000 controller back to its Factory Default settings.

To perform this..

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until you're in the UTILITY menu.
2. Scroll down until you see MAINTENANCE SETTINGS.
3. Under FACTORY DEFAULT, push in the SELECT/LOAD knob.
4. Turn the SELECT/LOAD knob until you see OK displayed.
5. Push in the SELECT/LOAD knob to revert your settings back to Factory Default.
6. Push in the VIEW button one time to exit these settings.

For any additional MCX8000 questions and help, review the following guides
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Video Tutorial - Watchwww.youtube.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Frequently Asked Questions - denondj.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com

To contact Denon DJ Support, log onto denondj.com.
skinnyguy 9:39 PM - 6 April, 2016
I got 2058. Should I update to 2061?
skinnyguy 9:40 PM - 6 April, 2016
Engine 0138
DJLMS 12:04 AM - 7 April, 2016
Same here...2058 / engine 0138.
Chino 3:36 AM - 7 April, 2016
Now that my output distortion issue is solved I've decided to tackle the problem of SDJ's random audio drop outs. I've found an excellent article on Troubleshooting USB Audio Artifacts/Latency by Numark. The link is below:

www.numark.com
QUOTE:
"It is absolutely not necessary to set the Buffer Size as low as possible to achieve minimum latency, especially considering latency times less than 10ms are getting into the realm of being indistinguishable by humans. It may not be a problem when you first configure it, but once you add tracks, instruments, and effects, you will quickly encounter audio issues."

After reading the Trouble Shooting Guide, I decided to do some experimenting. In Scratch Live I usually keep my USB Audio latency at 2ms or 3ms. This works because SSL runs efficient. In SDJ I keep my USB audio latency at 5ms to compensate for all the extra effects, plug-ins, etc. I now need to consider that the screens on my MCx8000 depend on midi info sent from the USB port as well. That being said, I bumped up the USB latency to 10ms on SDJ. I also adjusted the Midi Trans Interval setting on my MCX8000 controller to 10ms to match SDJ.
This made a HUGE difference in the overall performance of my controller with SDJ! It gives my CPU some breathing room and DRASTICALLY IMPROVES the responsiveness of the controller!!
Hopefully this will help some of you eliminate audio drop out issues and improve controller responsiveness.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 12:46 PM - 7 April, 2016
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I got 2058. Should I update to 2061?

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Same here...2058 / engine 0138.


As I said everyone, if your MCU version is BELOW 2057, ex: 2052, then contact Denon DJ support. 2058 is the correct version so you don't worry about anything.
Chino 3:13 PM - 7 April, 2016
The initial firmware on my MCx8000 was MCU 2052. That's why I needed to update the firmware to fix the output distortion issue I was having. Most if not all the future controllers being sent out are already shipping with the correct firmware. It's still a good idea to double check, though.
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 4:17 PM - 7 April, 2016
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The initial firmware on my MCx8000 was MCU 2052. That's why I needed to update the firmware to fix the output distortion issue I was having. Most if not all the future controllers being sent out are already shipping with the correct firmware. It's still a good idea to double check, though.


Thanks for clearing that up Chino!
Chino 9:21 PM - 7 April, 2016
Just installed a mini innofader into the MCx8000 today. Real easy to do and the fader feels great!
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 12:47 PM - 8 April, 2016
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Just installed a mini innofader into the MCx8000 today. Real easy to do and the fader feels great!


That's great to hear Chino! Thanks for posting back that. Should've posted back some pics! ;)

Everyone else, this step-by-step guide walks through on how to replace the MCX8000 crossfader - denondj.com.

The Denon DJ MCX8000 can be used with the mini Innofader PNP P - www.innofader.com.
FredrikA 2:43 PM - 8 April, 2016
I would really like to see a review soon since a lot of people already seems to have it. For me it's either this one or XDJ-RX. I just can't decide which one to buy.
akakak 3:11 PM - 8 April, 2016
Yes, waiting for a proper review too.
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 3:23 PM - 8 April, 2016
Hey Guys,

Here are three reviews that I saw online of the MCX8000 that you guys can check out:

• Denon DJ MCX8000 - DJ TechTools Review - djtechtools.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - Digital DJ Tips Review - www.digitaldjtips.com
• Denon DJ MCX8000 - DJWORX Review - djworx.com
akakak 3:31 PM - 8 April, 2016
Hi NumarkChris. All of these are from January, and seem to be more of a list of features and first impressions from NAMM rather than someone who has spent a while working with them… Anything more recent?
Chino 4:39 PM - 8 April, 2016
I will show people what the MCx8000 is capable of once it's PROVEN to be reliable for gig use. That means I plan on taking it out on a couple of gigs to see how it handles a 4-5 hour event. There are numerous vids on YouTube describing all the features and build quailty but none of them really demonstrate all the features in live use.

I will say that cutting and scratching on the MCx8000 (especially with a mini innofader installed) is really good. The adjustable touch sensitive platters feel great. The screens make it easy to do turntablist tricks like beat juggling and body tricks. Using the pads to play with the new Keymode feature is super fun! I also appreciate that the MCx8000 has the ability to be used in USB standalone mode in case something goes wrong with SDJ. The MCx8000 is functional, well laid out and just plain FUN to use!
DJ gsr 9:06 PM - 8 April, 2016
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Yes, waiting for a proper review too.


+1
skinnyguy 1:19 AM - 9 April, 2016
man, i noticed it's making my 2012 mbp run cpu a lot higher. i guess it's for the denon displays. any chance we can get an option to turn those off in a future update? software or firmware?

but it seems to still run kinda okay. was running 2 hd videos with mixemergency. and only testing out to see if i had to re-map stuff....which i didn't! =) maybe because the mapping is similar to the 4000? everything seems the same for the most part so far.
Chino 3:43 AM - 9 April, 2016
@skinnyguy… The screens DO put a strain on the CPU. I've spent the last couple of days trying to optimize my MBP. I'm running a mid 2012 MBP myself. This is what I've done…

1. Raised the USB audio latency to 10ms
2. Lowered the Max Screen Refresh per second to 20sec
3. Lowered the Auto gain to 90db(and I keep the SDJ master volume at halfway)
4. Set the MIDI Trans Interval in the MCx8000 to 3ms(it's located in the UTILITY menu)
5. UNCHECK the Enable Output Lighting in the MIDI Presets menu in SDJ…. I was having additional distortion issues that the firmware did NOT fix. Doing this COMPLETELY fixed the distortion issue. I also reported the issue to Serato Support.

After doing all this my CPU never goes above 10%. I can run SDJ with Pitch N Time and Mix Emergency 2.7.1 all at the same time. It would be nice to have the option to turn the screens off. Actually, it would be nice if Serato included some additional CPU and GUI optimizations in the next SDJ roll out. Maybe Serato will fix the wave form lag issue in SDJ 2.0.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
skinnyguy 11:43 AM - 9 April, 2016
we got same spec lappys, incl os.

also, i was looking at the wrong thing. i was looking at my temperature via smcfancontrol, not the cpu meter.

however, it did run hotter than usual so i'm sure there is more cpu use somewhere.

i also don't normally run PnT so that's another factor too. but it's oh-so-sweet with the 8000.
Chino 11:36 PM - 10 April, 2016
QUOTE:
"Michael R 4:38 AM - 30 June, 2015
Hi Yona,

Thanks for the information. I'm afraid that there is an issue with the TTM57MKII on 10.8.X where audio distortion can occur after some time. We are working with Rane on this issue, our recommendation for a work around is to upgrade to either 10.9 or 10.10.

Cheers,
Michael."

@ Serato Support, Chris from Numark/Denon DJ or anyone who can help with this issue. I've experienced a similar distortion issue while using the Denon MCx8000 and OSX 10.8.5. I have opened a ticket but I have yet to receive an answer from Serato. I've tried a different computer, replaced the USB cable, replaced XLR cables, followed Serato's optimization guide yet I STILL have this distortion issue. It just happened to me today within 15 minutes of playing music. I also tried using a different USB port. This distortion makes the MCx8000 unusable for live gigs. Is there a work a round? Do I need to upgrade to Mavericks to prevent the distortion from occurring?

Below is what I sent to Serato Support:
Apr 9, 12:09

I previously reported an issue with master output distortion (Ticket# 174841) coming from the Denon MCx8000. Initially, I thought this was corrected with a firmware update provided by Denon. Unfortunately, the distortion has returned with a vengeance! The distortion happens randomly anywhere from 20 minutes into a set up to 2 1/2 hours into a set. The distortion becomes so bad that the music just stops. My master level in SDJ is halfway. My library is fully analyzed in SDJ. I can reproduce this using SDJ 1.8.2 and SDJ 1.9.0. I have tried replacing the USB cable and XLR cables. I also tried using the RCA unbalanced master out connection. The issue is still there. I have tried using another USB port and also another computer (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500GB SSD). To clear the distortion I disconnect the USB cable and plug it back into the computer. This is a very temporary fix because the distortion returns within a few minutes. The distortion does NOT occur when I use the MCx8000 in standalone mode without a computer connected. I have tested running 3+ hours straight without any distortion in standalone mode. My computer is fully optimized after having followed Serato's Optimization Guide. The PRAM has been reset. There are no corrupt files on my 1 TB external G-drive. I can reproduce this issue with Pitch N Time on or off.

My computer specifications are:
mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD

MCx8000 Firmware:
Engine Version 0143
Display Version 8661
MCU Version 2061

Steps taken to correct distortion issue:
1. Lower Auto Gain to 90db
2. Raise USB Buffer Size to 10ms (from 5ms)
3. Put Maximum Screen Updates per second at 20sec MAX (initially at 40sec)

After 3 days of exhaustive testing, the distortion has improved but was STILL there. I initially thought unchecking the Enable Output Lighting in the SDJ MIDI Preset window would help. It did not fix the issue. I need to find a solution to this distortion issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!
Tommyoz 12:54 AM - 11 April, 2016
I didn't have a chance to check back. My initial problem with the line 3 DVS not working turned out to be a firmware issue as well. The same deal, unit shipped out with older firmware. I'm still waiting for the unit to get back to me but they did call me to let me know. Hopefully I can get this thing back so I can test it some more.
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 12:42 PM - 11 April, 2016
Hello Chino,

Great post! Very detailed. That was very much appreciated! Its obvious that this is an issue with your computer responding to the controller. This is not a hardware issue. I recommend upgrading your computers operating system to Mac OS X 10.9 or 10.10. Running 10.8 is the bare minimum and I never recommend DJ's to run their gear off bare minimum specs. I always recommend exceeding minimum system requirements for an optimal DJ performance. Also, use Serato DJ 1.9 at this point.

Quote:
QUOTE:
"Michael R 4:38 AM - 30 June, 2015
Hi Yona,

Thanks for the information. I'm afraid that there is an issue with the TTM57MKII on 10.8.X where audio distortion can occur after some time. We are working with Rane on this issue, our recommendation for a work around is to upgrade to either 10.9 or 10.10.

Cheers,
Michael."

@ Serato Support, Chris from Numark/Denon DJ or anyone who can help with this issue. I've experienced a similar distortion issue while using the Denon MCx8000 and OSX 10.8.5. I have opened a ticket but I have yet to receive an answer from Serato. I've tried a different computer, replaced the USB cable, replaced XLR cables, followed Serato's optimization guide yet I STILL have this distortion issue. It just happened to me today within 15 minutes of playing music. I also tried using a different USB port. This distortion makes the MCx8000 unusable for live gigs. Is there a work a round? Do I need to upgrade to Mavericks to prevent the distortion from occurring?

Below is what I sent to Serato Support:
Apr 9, 12:09

I previously reported an issue with master output distortion (Ticket# 174841) coming from the Denon MCx8000. Initially, I thought this was corrected with a firmware update provided by Denon. Unfortunately, the distortion has returned with a vengeance! The distortion happens randomly anywhere from 20 minutes into a set up to 2 1/2 hours into a set. The distortion becomes so bad that the music just stops. My master level in SDJ is halfway. My library is fully analyzed in SDJ. I can reproduce this using SDJ 1.8.2 and SDJ 1.9.0. I have tried replacing the USB cable and XLR cables. I also tried using the RCA unbalanced master out connection. The issue is still there. I have tried using another USB port and also another computer (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500GB SSD). To clear the distortion I disconnect the USB cable and plug it back into the computer. This is a very temporary fix because the distortion returns within a few minutes. The distortion does NOT occur when I use the MCx8000 in standalone mode without a computer connected. I have tested running 3+ hours straight without any distortion in standalone mode. My computer is fully optimized after having followed Serato's Optimization Guide. The PRAM has been reset. There are no corrupt files on my 1 TB external G-drive. I can reproduce this issue with Pitch N Time on or off.

My computer specifications are:
mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD

MCx8000 Firmware:
Engine Version 0143
Display Version 8661
MCU Version 2061

Steps taken to correct distortion issue:
1. Lower Auto Gain to 90db
2. Raise USB Buffer Size to 10ms (from 5ms)
3. Put Maximum Screen Updates per second at 20sec MAX (initially at 40sec)

After 3 days of exhaustive testing, the distortion has improved but was STILL there. I initially thought unchecking the Enable Output Lighting in the SDJ MIDI Preset window would help. It did not fix the issue. I need to find a solution to this distortion issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!
Chino 1:33 PM - 11 April, 2016
Is there anyone using 10.9x (Mavericks) with SSL AND SDJ? I need to verify that SSL will run smoothly on Mavericks BEFORE upgrading my operating system.
RIDDIMNBLUES 1:40 PM - 11 April, 2016
Quote:
Is there anyone using 10.9x (Mavericks) with SSL AND SDJ? I need to verify that SSL will run smoothly on Mavericks BEFORE upgrading my operating system.


Im running ssl and sdj on Mavericks 10.9.5...ssl runs flawlessly for me on Mavericks as well as sdj....As long as there is ssl i will NEVER UPDADE MY MAC
Chino 1:52 PM - 11 April, 2016
Thanks for your response! Are your running SSL 2.4.4 or 2.5 with Mavericks? I have to upgrade my operating system to Mavericks to get SDJ to work right with my Denon MCx8000 controller. I'm still getting bad output distortion on OSX 10.8.5. I need to TRIPLE check to verify that upgrading my OS won't mess with SSL. I use and TRUST SSL for my gigs every weekend!
RIDDIMNBLUES 3:22 PM - 11 April, 2016
Quote:
Thanks for your response! Are your running SSL 2.4.4 or 2.5 with Mavericks? I have to upgrade my operating system to Mavericks to get SDJ to work right with my Denon MCx8000 controller. I'm still getting bad output distortion on OSX 10.8.5. I need to TRIPLE check to verify that upgrading my OS won't mess with SSL. I use and TRUST SSL for my gigs every weekend!


I using ssl 2.5 so you'll be fine
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:27 PM - 11 April, 2016
SSL 2.5.0 and OSX 10.9.5 work fine and is the last supported OSX for SSL. You should be fine.
skinnyguy 6:16 PM - 11 April, 2016
Damn. I gotta update my lappy too? I gotta do another test run...
Chino 6:34 PM - 11 April, 2016
@ skinnyguy… I STRONGLY recommend that you do a long test run of 3 or more hours straight BEFORE using it out on a gig. I know we have the same laptop and OS. You may need to upgrade to 10.9x or 10.10x. I still use SSL so I'm sticking with Mavericks for now until SDJ proves itself to be reliable.
skinnyguy 7:10 AM - 12 April, 2016
Sdj 182 and 190 are supported for mountain lion.

support.serato.com
Chino 8:24 PM - 12 April, 2016
I shipped my Denon MCx8000 back to Denon today. As it turns out, I may have a defective controller so Denon is sending me a new replacement. Kudos to Denon for the GREAT customer service. On a side note, I did partition my hard drive in order to run another OSX. I tested EL Capitan (10.11.4) on SDJ 1.9.0 and 1.8.2 for couple a hours. It seems to work well.
pdidy 11:16 PM - 12 April, 2016
Quote:
@ skinnyguy… I STRONGLY recommend that you do a long test run of 3 or more WEEKS straight BEFORE using it out on a gig.

fixed.....lol
Tommyoz 8:25 PM - 14 April, 2016
Quote:
I shipped my Denon MCx8000 back to Denon today. As it turns out, I may have a defective controller so Denon is sending me a new replacement. Kudos to Denon for the GREAT customer service. On a side note, I did partition my hard drive in order to run another OSX. I tested EL Capitan (10.11.4) on SDJ 1.9.0 and 1.8.2 for couple a hours. It seems to work well.


Mine is going back for the second time. I received it yesterday and it was still having the same Channel 3 DVS problem after they told that it had been fixed with a firmware update. I know for sure that this is a controller problem as channel 4 works perfectly. When the inputs are swapped, channel 3 remains not to work. I have used both a Mac (Yosemite) & Windows (Win10) computers along with different version of Serato and the problem remains.

They told me the first time that they would send me a new unit but then told me they were out of stock on new ones and that the problem was fixed with firmware update. This time again they are promising to send me a new unit so let's see what happens this time. They have been very nice on the phone but I was not happy this second time around having to re ship it. I know these things happen so I will hold off on any comments and or reviews of Denon.

Does anybody else here use DVS with CD decks and or Turntables with this MCX8000 controller?
Chino 8:42 PM - 14 April, 2016
Sorry to hear that. Denon received my defective controller today. I also received a phone call today saying I will receive a NEW replacement controller with a FedEX tracking#. I bought my controller brand new so I expect the replacement to be the same. I already had the latest firmware and it did nothing to fix the distortion issues I was experiencing.

This has been a learning experience for me. I usually do not buy the first run of anything especially DJ equipment! Now I am reminded as to the reason why. Oh well, you live and learn. I do know that I will be doing some EXTENSIVE testing BEFORE the MCx8000 gets used at a live gig!!
Tommyoz 8:54 PM - 14 April, 2016
Mine is scheduled to be received by Denon tomorrow. Let's see what happens. I purchased brand new as well so I expect the same. They have been very good as far as communication. I received phone calls from them as well. It's just that they did not test this properly or didn't understand the problem. And now I had to resend it when I should have had a new unit already.
Chino 9:05 PM - 14 April, 2016
Once you get it back and have the chance to test it, please post how you make out. I'm interested to see if what we are experiencing are just isolated issues or does the first run of the MCx8000 have quality control issues?
dj Krazey leo 9:44 PM - 14 April, 2016
I tried the DVS with my cdj,s it works well on both lines 3 and 4 but I didn't do any extensive trial, I will definitely look into it
the problem i,m having is i,m hearing some kind of hissing from the mic lines i tried 2 different types of mics both a cordless and a regular cord from and I still get that hissing sound sort of like when a compressor open and close.
Tommyoz 9:57 PM - 14 April, 2016
Quote:
Once you get it back and have the chance to test it, please post how you make out. I'm interested to see if what we are experiencing are just isolated issues or does the first run of the MCx8000 have quality control issues?


Will do.
Tommyoz 10:00 PM - 14 April, 2016
Quote:
I tried the DVS with my cdj,s it works well on both lines 3 and 4 but I didn't do any extensive trial, I will definitely look into it
the problem i,m having is i,m hearing some kind of hissing from the mic lines i tried 2 different types of mics both a cordless and a regular cord from and I still get that hissing sound sort of like when a compressor open and close.


Thanks for letting me know. My problem with line 3 is I'm getting just some static white noise on playback. You can see the red bar struggling to read the time code. I haven't tried any Mic's yet but I will when I get a new unit back.
Chino 12:52 AM - 16 April, 2016
QUOTE:
Official Response

EMPLOYEE

Chris D (Employee) 6 months ago
Hello Everyone,

"Thanks for posting this and the detailed information along with it. As with any USB audio interface, there are many potential causes of symptoms like distortion, artifacts (clicks/pops/crackling), and latency. The following guide provides some helpful tips to troubleshoot this - click here.

We have currently confirmed this symptom for Mac models 2014 and up. With newer Mac models, the USB ports of Apple Macbook Pro models 2014 and up may cause specific issues with USB audio devices. This issue has been confirmed by not just our hardware but by multiple third party hardware companies. We are currently looking into resolving this. The current and quick fix has been the Apple Store - Kanex Thunderbolt to eSATA + USB 3.0 Adapter."

It seems that the distortion I was experiencing has also affected users of the Numark NS7II & NS7III controllers. Multiple users on the Numark forum have also confirmed that this distortion issue is NOT limited to 2014 Macs and above. They have reported older Macs with the same distortion issues. I know Numark is a sister company of Denon. I certainly hope that my MCx8000's distortion issue is just an isolated case. I should NOT need a $79 adapter work a round to get my $1300 MCx8000 controller to work properly. I will be testing my replacement MCx8000 controller before the thirty day store return policy is up!
Tommyoz 3:41 AM - 16 April, 2016
Quote:
QUOTE:
Official Response

EMPLOYEE

Chris D (Employee) 6 months ago
Hello Everyone,

"Thanks for posting this and the detailed information along with it. As with any USB audio interface, there are many potential causes of symptoms like distortion, artifacts (clicks/pops/crackling), and latency. The following guide provides some helpful tips to troubleshoot this - click here.

We have currently confirmed this symptom for Mac models 2014 and up. With newer Mac models, the USB ports of Apple Macbook Pro models 2014 and up may cause specific issues with USB audio devices. This issue has been confirmed by not just our hardware but by multiple third party hardware companies. We are currently looking into resolving this. The current and quick fix has been the Apple Store - Kanex Thunderbolt to eSATA + USB 3.0 Adapter."

It seems that the distortion I was experiencing has also affected users of the Numark NS7II & NS7III controllers. Multiple users on the Numark forum have also confirmed that this distortion issue is NOT limited to 2014 Macs and above. They have reported older Macs with the same distortion issues. I know Numark is a sister company of Denon. I certainly hope that my MCx8000's distortion issue is just an isolated case. I should NOT need a $79 adapter work a round to get my $1300 MCx8000 controller to work properly. I will be testing my replacement MCx8000 controller before the thirty day store return policy is up!


I have heard about that issue but totally forgot about it and didn't think it applied to you. I have the Numark NS7III controller but never used it with my macbook which is an older pre 2014 model. I haven't heard anything from Denon today. They did receive my return today. I guess I will hear from them next week.
Chino 2:20 PM - 16 April, 2016
I'm really trying not to jump to conclusions. I want to give Denon the benefit of the doubt. I will hold off on any additional reviews of the MCx8000 until I have adequately tested the new replacement unit.
Tommyoz 9:23 PM - 20 April, 2016
Quote:
I'm really trying not to jump to conclusions. I want to give Denon the benefit of the doubt. I will hold off on any additional reviews of the MCx8000 until I have adequately tested the new replacement unit.


Chino, have you received your new controller yet? Mine is due tomorrow. It turns out it did ship on the day I shipped my defective one back but they never told me.
Chino 9:30 PM - 20 April, 2016
My replacement is due to be delivered tomorrow too. It's coming from Nevada. I plan on testing the controller out as soon as I receive it. Let ROUND 3 of the MCx8000 testing begin...
Chino 9:36 PM - 20 April, 2016
Actually it's more like ROUND 5 of the MCx8000 testing. I just hope that I will finally be able to use it at a gig instead of just playing with it at home in my studio!
Tommyoz 7:30 PM - 21 April, 2016
I just received my controller. However, I can't set it up right now because my music inspiration has just passed away. R.I.P. Prince you will be missed. As soon as I can set up the controller I will open up with your music. Sorry for getting off topic.
Chino 8:29 PM - 21 April, 2016
Today I played for 3 1/2 hours straight. I included a lot of Prince's songs in the mix. He had some great classics like "When Doves Cry". So far the controller is distortion free. Im re-installing the mini innofader then I will continue testing. I plan on doing a 4-5 hour straight test run tomorrow during the day.

One thing I did notice is that the MCx8000 has a high overall volume output. I had to lower SDJ's Auto gain to 89db in order for the sound to not distort. I have the master volume in SDJ at slightly less than halfway. I can run the auto gain in SSL at the recommended 92db and it sounds great. There is just something not right with the Auto gain in SDJ.

Pitch N' Time also seems to raise each individual song volume. It's slight (only 2-4 volume bars) but I can hear and see the volume difference. BTW, I'm testing 10.11.4 (El Captian) on SDJ 1.8.2. It feels more stable (and less bloated) to me compared to SDJ 1.9.0. I also don't plan on using the pulse locker feature.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)
dj Krazey leo 11:11 PM - 21 April, 2016
@ Chino I think you're right 1.9 just doesn't feel as comfortable with the mcx 8000 as 1.8.2 so I,ll stick with it for now
Tommyoz 1:01 AM - 22 April, 2016
I finally got around to hooking up the controller. Not really into mixing tonight. I played Prince for about an hour and a half. No issues with DVS. Chino, I did notice the master high volume. I love the sound from this Denon more than the Numark NS7 III. I had SDJ 1.9 already installed so that's what I'm using. I haven't encountered any issues with it. Hopefully I'll get to play with it more this weekend.
Mr. Goodkat 1:12 AM - 22 April, 2016
Quote:
OSX 10.9.5 work fine and is the last supported OSX for SSL


but ssl works with el capitan.
Chino 1:25 AM - 22 April, 2016
^^^ @ Mr. Goodkat... have you used SSL with OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)? I have my HD partitioned with OSX 10.11.4 but I haven't tried to use it with SSL yet. Honestly, I'm a bit nervous to do so. I use OSX 10.8.5 with SSL and then run SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan). Have you experienced any issues running SSL with El Capitan?

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)
Mr. Goodkat 1:39 AM - 22 April, 2016
11.11.3 is what im using. it works with a 62 and sl3. surpisingly, it doesnt work with SDJ, but there is a work around where you have to delete something in SSL and it works.

ive only opened the offline player since switching and havent tried to open SDJ on the 62 yet. too scared it will mess something up in SSL.
Chino 1:56 AM - 22 April, 2016
I also have a Rane 62 and a SL3 box. I think I will keep them completely off of EL Capitan for the time being. I just don't trust El Capitan to work right with Rane gear. I haven't experienced any issues running my Rane equipment on any previous OSX so I want to keep it that way.

So far, SDJ 1.8.2 works with OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)
Mr. Goodkat 4:06 PM - 22 April, 2016
Quote:
I also have a Rane 62 and a SL3 box. I think I will keep them completely off of EL Capitan for the time being. I just don't trust El Capitan to work right with Rane gear. I haven't experienced any issues running my Rane equipment on any previous OSX so I want to keep it that way.

So far, SDJ 1.8.2 works with OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)


definitely the best idea
Chino 4:02 PM - 24 April, 2016
*UPDATE*
I received my NEW replacement MCx8000 from Denon. I was able to run 5 hours straight with NO distortion. It would seem that initially I received a faulty controller but the new replacement MCx8000 has corrected the issue!

It took ALOT of computer/hardware tweaking to optimization the MCx8000. I now feel comfortable enough to play out a live gig with it. I will be using it on two gigs this coming week. If anyone needs help adjusting their computer/hardware settings just let me know. I will be happy to help.

THANKS AGAIN to Rich Muggle over at Denon DJ!!
akakak 4:03 PM - 24 April, 2016
Chino, is there a model number we can compare to other units? This device should be available in the uk tomorrow!
Chino 4:45 PM - 24 April, 2016
The FIRST MCx8000 controller I received was #135 I believe. My new replacement MCx8000 is #608. You should be perfectly fine with the new controllers that Denon are shipping out now. I would recommend checking the firmware of your controller over at denondj.com. The latest firmware update was on:

MCX8000 Firmware Release Notes v1.2 ­ Issued on 04/­15­/16
This update is recommended for all users.
Contains component firmware versions:
Engine: 0147
MCU: 2061
Display: 8661
Mr Wilks 8:32 PM - 24 April, 2016
Quote:
Chino, is there a model number we can compare to other units? This device should be available in the uk tomorrow!


I pick mine up tomorrow from Bop DJ in Leeds.
Mr Wilks 2:01 AM - 26 April, 2016
Okay... after the first two hours of playing I'll give my bit of input.

ENGINE MODE:

1. The 'CUE' lights are too bright (as stated above)... in fact, most lights are too bright. They should be 10% dim when off and 100% bright when on. Those things must be 50% when off! Maybe have an option in the setup to choose how bright we want the dim state?

2. I managed to get the screen to freeze while playing with Engine somehow. I uploaded the latest firmware as soon as I opened the box which has many fixes for these freezing issues but I'd managed to get the screen to freeze so there's still a bug somewhere. I'll try and reproduce but think it was with the slicer and/or loops.

3. Without quantise on the unit the slicer is beyond rubbish... actually, unusable. Nice it's included on the unit but it's sadly too poor to use. Beatgrids would have helped here and also with loops and FX following the grid.

4. Sync turns off if you adjust any pitch fader to locking them together for transitions is a no-go. I lock them in Serato and do a 125 to 100 bpm transition and it sounds great but that can't happen on the MCX8000. Shame.

5. Turning down the gain input on a deck then putting a white noise effect over an empty track I can hear a few glitches in the effect just as the effect comes in and just as it tails off.

6. The echo effect has a glitch if turned on while the encoder is at 100% which causes half a second of silence.

7. The 'mirrored' look will take some getting used to as I'm coming from a Pioneer SX so I do keep going for the wrong buttons (that's my fault though but would have preferred the standard layout).

8. A 8 beat loop on the intro can be jumped out of if I press a cue point. I like to restart the cue point on the beat and this disengages the loop... not cool! Keep the loop active! I didn't turn the loop off so it should stay engaged until I manually press the 'loop off' button.

9. Setting a temporary cue point is like the Pioneer CDJ way by starting a track then stopping it before winding back and pressing the CUE button. I'm not used to that as it's years since I had my CDJ 1000's. I'll need to adjust.
Also, by setting a temporary cue point, the CUE button stops flashing... this is good as the cue point is now set, however, any hot cue juggling or loop on'off action causes the CUE button to flash again, even though the CUE is set!

10. The blue loop indicator on the waveform is a little too bright when it's not activated. It almost looks like it's on! Tone down the blue a little here.

11. Engine software wouldn't allow dragging of any files from Serato DJ. I'm using 1.8.2 as 1.9 gives me crashes while live. I'll do some testing with 1.9 at home but dragging crates and tracks on Windows 10 is a killer!

SERATO MODE:

1. No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER. This was used all the time for me on the Pio SX for transitions and moving the ranges around. I will miss that lots as it was a killer feature for me. Gutted! Hopefully it can be added.

2. Loving the fact that the loop range changes when you select a loop roll. The SX would reflect the last loop length so if I was looping a 16 beat into (as I often do) loop rolls would be reflected like this. Happy it changes now, although it doesn't change the range back to what I was on before so I'll have to remember not to drop a 4 beat loop live if I've been loop rolling or we'd have the 'machine gun stutter' sound!

3. 100% pitch range in Serato is amazing to have back (also in Engine!). I can now do the 'Fatboy Slim' Rockafella Skank style timestretching effect I used to do before with wide pitch. Win!

4. No panel select button... but that's just being picky! Haha!


So... I love it. It's great but not perfect. In Serato DJ it's just as good as I'd want, Engine however misses a few tricks like LED brightness and quantise for the slicer and loops. With a few firmware updates it will be amazing. Keep it up Denon!
Chino 12:06 PM - 26 April, 2016
Nice to hear that your enjoying the MCx8000! I sent Denon an email with a feature request to change the brightness of the CUE buttons. Hopefully it will get passed on to development and included in a future firmware update.

Quote:
11. Engine software wouldn't allow dragging of any files from Serato DJ. I'm using 1.8.2 as 1.9 gives me crashes while live. I'll do some testing with 1.9 at home but dragging crates and tracks on Windows 10 is a killer!


I was able to drag and drop from SDJ 1.8.2 & SDJ 1.9.2 to Engine 1.5 BUT I'm using a Mac OSX 10.8.5. Please send that info to Denon so they can fix that Windows 10 issue. Did you have an external HD plugged in at the same time via USB? I noticed that when I had my external HD plugged in via USB, Engine would crash on me. Instead I plugged in my external HD via firewire 800 and it solved the crash issue. Maybe try posting the issue on the Denon's forum too. They may have a resolution.
Chino 12:08 PM - 26 April, 2016
^^^ *correction SDJ 1.9.0*
Mr Wilks 4:18 PM - 26 April, 2016
Quote:
Nice to hear that your enjoying the MCx8000! I sent Denon an email with a feature request to change the brightness of the CUE buttons. Hopefully it will get passed on to development and included in a future firmware update.

Quote:
11. Engine software wouldn't allow dragging of any files from Serato DJ. I'm using 1.8.2 as 1.9 gives me crashes while live. I'll do some testing with 1.9 at home but dragging crates and tracks on Windows 10 is a killer!


I was able to drag and drop from SDJ 1.8.2 & SDJ 1.9.2 to Engine 1.5 BUT I'm using a Mac OSX 10.8.5. Please send that info to Denon so they can fix that Windows 10 issue. Did you have an external HD plugged in at the same time via USB? I noticed that when I had my external HD plugged in via USB, Engine would crash on me. Instead I plugged in my external HD via firewire 800 and it solved the crash issue. Maybe try posting the issue on the Denon's forum too. They may have a resolution.


I think it's an issue with drag and drop on windows with SDJ 1.8.2 so I'll try again later. I don't want to play live with 1.9.0 due to three crashes live and they totally killed the club so I'm sticking with 1.8.2 for now but I'll continental you test. There was no external HDD but thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for it.

I'll definitely pass on any feedback to them. Was it just the standard support email you used? I'd like to pass on my initial thoughts and find out what can or can't be fixed using updates.
Numark, Support
NumarkChris 4:23 PM - 26 April, 2016
Hello Chino and Wilks,

I'd like to chime in here. You can't drag and drop the crate into Engine, this is why you're having this issue. You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software. We made a guide showing you how to correctly perform this. Thanks!

Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com
Chino 6:01 PM - 26 April, 2016
@ Chris. You are right. I meant to say that dragging the songs (NOT crates) over from SDJ to Engine 1.5 made Engine 1.5 crash when I had an external HD plugged in via USB. I corrected this issue by plugging in my external HD via firewire 800.

@ Wilks I sent my suggestions directly to a Denon support rep that I have been in contact with due to the distortion issue I was experiencing. He indicated my suggestions would be forwarded to development. I believe you can use the standard support email and/or post suggestions and feedback on the Denon DJ forum.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16 GB RAM 750 internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Capitan)
Chino 6:51 PM - 26 April, 2016
Just a heads up that the Denon DJ forum is down. The link is below for more info:

www.bbc.com

"Unfortunately, the server on which the 'DenonDJ Forums' run were the result of this issue from yesterday. We're working with the Forum Admin(s) to get the resource back online as soon as possible."

Hopefully the Denon DJ forum will be back up and running soon. In the mean time, feel free to post suggestions and feedback for Engine 1.5 and the MCx8000 here.
Mr Wilks 12:00 AM - 27 April, 2016
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You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software


Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).
acemc 9:51 AM - 27 April, 2016
Big thanks to everyone for all the valuable input here.
I actually just sold my SX2 yesterday to purchase a 8000.
It's only available in my country mid next week. So I really appreciate all the info.
I have some questions, I hope perhaps someone can clarify.
"No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER"
I thought this was a Serato function & therefore would be a 'mapping' thing, rather than a hardware limitation? Mr Wilks: have you tried using SHIFT+PITCH SLIDER with sync on?
"Loving the fact that the loop range changes when you select a loop roll." Isn't that how it's always been? With my SX2, if I did a 1/8 roll & pressed auto loop it would make a 1/8 loop.
Judging from what's been mentioned it seems like most of the issues are software / firmware related (apart from mirror layout). Are you guys happy with your purchase, any regrets?
Numark
NumarkCorey 1:16 PM - 27 April, 2016
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You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software


Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).


Hi Mr. Wilks,

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the MCX so far, though I'm sorry you're still having trouble with the Engine software.

As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine, but do not drag the crate itself. Only the songs inside.

Also, please note and make sure you are only dragging supported music files into Engine:

Supported Media

WAV: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
AIFF: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
MP3: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 32kbps – 320 kbps
AAC: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 64kbps – 320 kbps

If anyone requires further technical support with the MCX8000 or the Engine software, please feel free to reach out to our support team through the Denon website - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:21 PM - 27 April, 2016
Wilks can you drag in/out of sdj at all? if not it is a bug there is a registry hack to fix it. think there might be a link in support for it.
Chino 1:48 PM - 27 April, 2016
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Are you guys happy with your purchase, any regrets?


@acemc... I'm definitely glad I purchased the MCx8000. This controller is solidly built, controls SDJ, can be used in standalone mode AND is affordable. It's a no brainer purchase. The improvements needed are mainly on the software side of things, both in Engine 1.5 and SDJ. My only gripe is the overall brightness of the CUE buttons. Hopefully that can be fixed with a firmware update. For the first time I'm considering transitioning off of SDJ and moving to an all USB flash drive format.
akakak 6:58 PM - 27 April, 2016
Got it! I have MCU 2057 - I want a bigger number. Where do I download a bigger number? :)
acemc 7:02 PM - 27 April, 2016
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I'm definitely glad I purchased the MCx8000

Glad to hear that. Thanks Chino.
To Old To Bold 8:53 PM - 27 April, 2016
Help me out please, just purchased the MCX800 but im having a problem with the drivers Serato will not hook up to the controller, Im still on windows7 but have had no issues with my Numark NS6 are the windows drivers for windows8 and above HELP. It works perfectly in stand alone I just carnt hook it to SERATO HELP ME !!
DJ gsr 9:09 PM - 27 April, 2016
Thanks to all the review , I picked one today. I'll update on the weekend.
Chino 10:29 PM - 27 April, 2016
@ to old to bold… If you haven' t done so already, you may need to download the latest Window drivers from Denon's websites… denondj.com
Mr Wilks 10:37 PM - 27 April, 2016
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Help me out please, just purchased the MCX800 but im having a problem with the drivers Serato will not hook up to the controller, Im still on windows7 but have had no issues with my Numark NS6 are the windows drivers for windows8 and above HELP. It works perfectly in stand alone I just carnt hook it to SERATO HELP ME !!

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@ to old to bold… If you haven' t done so already, you may need to download the latest Window drivers from Denon's websites… denondj.com


Yeah, as Chino says, scroll down to "downloads" and get the latest driver from here www.denondj.com

I'd get the new firmware too from the same page if you haven't already.
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:56 PM - 27 April, 2016
found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.
Chino 11:05 PM - 27 April, 2016
If you need to purchase good connector cables at really cheap prices go to monoprice.com. I buy most of my cables and adapters from them. They are located in Cali.
pdidy 11:07 PM - 27 April, 2016
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found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.

Booth 1/4in outputs are ancient and should have been updated to the XLR standard ten years ago when powered speakers were becoming the new standard.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:09 PM - 27 April, 2016
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found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.

Booth 1/4in outputs are ancient and should have been updated to the XLR standard ten years ago when powered speakers were becoming the new standard.


not seen them like that and no mixer has xlr booth all trs ie 1/4in jack.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:10 PM - 27 April, 2016
obviously on a powered booth monitor i have seen them, i ment on the dj gear.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:12 PM - 27 April, 2016
Should have been at least the XLR sockets with a TRS in the middle...
pdidy 11:13 PM - 27 April, 2016
Correction they should all be Combo Connector that allow xlr & 1/4 in. www.amazon.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:14 PM - 27 April, 2016
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Correction they should all be Combo Connector that allow xlr & 1/4 in. www.amazon.com

Thats the one would have been perfect!!! damn!
pdidy 11:15 PM - 27 April, 2016
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Should have been at least the XLR sockets with a TRS in the middle...

BINGO, we agree...lol
Ragman 11:16 PM - 27 April, 2016
Guys thanks for all your posts and updates on this controller. I'm 80% leaning towards getting it but have 2 Question that hopefully an MCX8000 owner can answer:

1) How is the resolution on the platters for scratching?
2) How does the crossfader perform (any noticeable latency / can you set it for a sharp cut)?

Thanks,
Mr Wilks 11:27 PM - 27 April, 2016
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found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.


A combo would be good on the booth but it's also a second output with tone controls that can be unaffected by the mic so great for zone 2 to a second room. It's much easier to find XLR's in a club than TRS I find.

XLR are far more common on gear. The only time I'd have an issue is if I was using home monitor speakers. This thing is plugged in at work into two 15" powered Mackie cabs and sounds good.

If I had a choice I'd roll with XLR any day. All amps and pro gear have XLR inputs so I'm not looking for conversion cables when gear is TRS. XLR to XLR makes the most sense in a pro enviroment... Male to female all the way.

TRS should die... haha!
akakak 11:32 PM - 27 April, 2016
I have to agree. I need to go get new cables tomorrow. :(
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:36 PM - 27 April, 2016
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found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.


A combo would be good on the booth but it's also a second output with tone controls that can be unaffected by the mic so great for zone 2 to a second room. It's much easier to find XLR's in a club than TRS I find.

XLR are far more common on gear. The only time I'd have an issue is if I was using home monitor speakers. This thing is plugged in at work into two 15" powered Mackie cabs and sounds good.

If I had a choice I'd roll with XLR any day. All amps and pro gear have XLR inputs so I'm not looking for conversion cables when gear is TRS. XLR to XLR makes the most sense in a pro enviroment... Male to female all the way.

TRS should die... haha!


where the fuck do you dj every mixer sold in last 10years has TRS Booth output. show me an xlr? NEVER seen a xlr booth in a venue EVER. yes the main output is xlr. so now every venue you have trs and now need an adaptor. maybe trs should die but every new mixer this last year has trs booth output.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:39 PM - 27 April, 2016
Also does anyone know how to delete the ENGINE database or where it is stored? can't find this info no where and need to start it again from fresh. looked in the obvious places and read the manual but see nothing about database reset.
Chino 11:54 PM - 27 April, 2016
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Guys thanks for all your posts and updates on this controller. I'm 80% leaning towards getting it but have 2 Question that hopefully an MCX8000 owner can answer:

1) How is the resolution on the platters for scratching?
2) How does the crossfader perform (any noticeable latency / can you set it for a sharp cut)?

The platters are surprisingly good for scratching. If your heavy handed then you can adjust the touch sensitivity to 0 or -1 to compensate. If you have a lite touch then you can adjust the platters to 2 or 3. Of course I PREFER direct drive platters like those found on my Denon sc3900s. Hopefully Denon will include direct drive platters in a future version.

Denon's stock crossfader DOES have a really good shape cut! I still upgraded to a mini innofader which is MUCH better IMO. The innofader feels more like a Rane fader which is what I'm use to.
Mr Wilks 11:56 PM - 27 April, 2016
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found one thing i HATE about the denon thats the Booth output is XLR fuck sake 99.9% Booth is TRS!!! It fucks me off when people put RCA on but XLR that's a damn XLR to TRS needed for every venue now.


A combo would be good on the booth but it's also a second output with tone controls that can be unaffected by the mic so great for zone 2 to a second room. It's much easier to find XLR's in a club than TRS I find.

XLR are far more common on gear. The only time I'd have an issue is if I was using home monitor speakers. This thing is plugged in at work into two 15" powered Mackie cabs and sounds good.

If I had a choice I'd roll with XLR any day. All amps and pro gear have XLR inputs so I'm not looking for conversion cables when gear is TRS. XLR to XLR makes the most sense in a pro enviroment... Male to female all the way.

TRS should die... haha!


where the fuck do you dj every mixer sold in last 10years has TRS Booth output. show me an xlr? NEVER seen a xlr booth in a venue EVER. yes the main output is xlr. so now every venue you have trs and now need an adaptor. maybe trs should die but every new mixer this last year has trs booth output.


TRS to XLR adaptors are a few quid each www.amazon.co.uk so would just grab a few.

We need to move away slowly from them so a combo would be good. They was great when space on the back of a mixer was scarce but there's no need in this day and age to have one type of connector on one end and a totally different type on the other end. If a cable breaks I'd bet it's a replacement XLR you'd find first in a booth (even sacrificing the mic cable). The Allen & Heath 43c is on XLR too so they've seen the light too!
pdidy 12:05 AM - 28 April, 2016
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where the fuck do you dj every mixer sold in last 10years has TRS Booth output.

Yup you're 100% right and there's no disputing that, I think we're all just saying it should have died a long time ago and used the xlr as standard. No more adapters and connected required.
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:07 AM - 28 April, 2016
Yep defo a combo. As its just the standard fine if all mixers sold from say 2015 had xlr booth in a few years it wouldn't be a problem. Yep adaptors it is but damn annoying.

Now to find how to reset engine database hmmm.
For the play about with engine i just had the waveforms are very mickey mouse and they have worse issues than sdjs new gui tech. Wobble wobble shack shack. The cue points and beat markers are jumping. Looking good for a backup but its no competition to Rekordbox that's for sure. But yes i am liking what i am seeing just few things that i guess i will get used to.
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:09 AM - 28 April, 2016
I would make lead adaptors because it will stickoit to much with adaptors. So make like 6'' lead from xlr to trs socket.
Mr Wilks 12:12 AM - 28 April, 2016
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You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software


Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).


Hi Mr. Wilks,

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the MCX so far, though I'm sorry you're still having trouble with the Engine software.

As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine, but do not drag the crate itself. Only the songs inside.

Also, please note and make sure you are only dragging supported music files into Engine:

Supported Media

WAV: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
AIFF: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
MP3: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 32kbps – 320 kbps
AAC: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 64kbps – 320 kbps

If anyone requires further technical support with the MCX8000 or the Engine software, please feel free to reach out to our support team through the Denon website - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!


Looks like I'll have to get in touch with support as posted originally, I can't drag anything into Engine from Serato's crates. I can drag from Serato to the desktop and it will allow me to drop there indicating exporting from Serato seems fine however picking up tracks from within a crate in Serato and attempting to drop into the new playlist I've created in Engine results in a cross on the mouse pointer as if I'm performing a 'not allowed' action. I can't pick up and drop to any point within the Engine window from Serato 1.8.2 or 1.9.0 directly from a crate.

I'll get in touch with support and see if there's a bug somewhere.

This is all on my test machine of Windows 10 and Serato 1.8.2 and 1.9.0
Chino 12:21 AM - 28 April, 2016
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Also does anyone know how to delete the ENGINE database or where it is stored? can't find this info no where and need to start it again from fresh. looked in the obvious places and read the manual but see nothing about database reset.


Try this. While Engine is open go to Library then Engine Library and from there go to Delete Playlist. After that uninstall Engine then reinstall .
Numark
NumarkCorey 2:15 PM - 28 April, 2016
Hi everyone!

We appreciate all of your feedback on the booth output. XLR is the professional standard for DJ equipment. As Mr. Wilks mentioned, adapters are available if necessary and are really a good idea to have in your toolkit anyway, just in case.


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Also does anyone know how to delete the ENGINE database or where it is stored? can't find this info no where and need to start it again from fresh. looked in the obvious places and read the manual but see nothing about database reset.


To delete the Enigne database, make sure Engine is completely closed, navigate to the following location and delete the DenonDJ2 folder:

Windows: Local Disk C:\ > DenonDJ2

Mac: Mac HD > Users > Shared > DenonDJ2

Now when you re-open Engine it will ask you if you want to create a new library and scan your computer to create a new database.

I hope this helps!
acemc 2:19 PM - 28 April, 2016
@NumarkCorey - are there any plans to allow manual grid adjustments in engine?
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:19 PM - 28 April, 2016
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Hi everyone!

We appreciate all of your feedback on the booth output. XLR is the professional standard for DJ equipment. As Mr. Wilks mentioned, adapters are available if necessary and are really a good idea to have in your toolkit anyway, just in case.


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Also does anyone know how to delete the ENGINE database or where it is stored? can't find this info no where and need to start it again from fresh. looked in the obvious places and read the manual but see nothing about database reset.


To delete the Enigne database, make sure Engine is completely closed, navigate to the following location and delete the DenonDJ2 folder:

Windows: Local Disk C:\ > DenonDJ2

Mac: Mac HD > Users > Shared > DenonDJ2

Now when you re-open Engine it will ask you if you want to create a new library and scan your computer to create a new database.

I hope this helps!


Spot on thanks! And ya an adaptor isnt to bad just dual xlr/trs would been amazing until all manufacturers started using xlr. Even Denon mixers are TRS lol
RIDDIMNBLUES 3:47 PM - 28 April, 2016
so far many reports coming in is that the MCX800 sounds way better than the pioneer sx series...the sound quality is exellent from what im hearing...might need to take a closer look at this unit
dj Krazey leo 4:29 PM - 28 April, 2016
Wayyyyyyy better than the pioneer sx series I think this is the controller to get so far so good.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:15 PM - 28 April, 2016
I'm at 85% on getting it.

My list of things I don't like.

XLR booth outputs.

Mirrored layout.

No jog display (the blue outer leds are tacky)

Weight (lighter better for when on the move carrying through venues)

No jog tension (but the sx2 also lacks this)

There some more but forgot at the moment.

So basically just need to have a good play with this and a sx2 then decide.
Mr. Goodkat 6:55 PM - 28 April, 2016
how can you be mad at 2 pr of xlr outs??
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:34 PM - 28 April, 2016
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how can you be mad at 2 pr of xlr outs??


Because EVERY dj box has 1/4 jack. Like EVERY mixer does apart from allen and heath 43 and this controller. Thats why lol.
Mr Wilks 8:29 PM - 28 April, 2016
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Wayyyyyyy better than the pioneer sx series I think this is the controller to get so far so good.


I second this.

I had the SX MK1 and know the MK2 was a little better on sound. I can only compare to the SX 1 but it beats it hands down.

The headphone has to be run at 1 o'clock compared to the SX at 11 o'clock but that's no issue really as there's still plenty of headroom on it for me.

The mirroring is a bit of an issue if you come from Pioneer gear but after a few days you're used to it. I am already (although I'd have voted for non-mirrored given the choice just for consistency).

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No jog display (the blue outer leds are tacky)


This can be switched to a single LED that scans around if you aren't a fan of the full blue ring. Would be good to control the brightness on this too so a few more options in firmware please!

Still no luck with dropping anything into Engine yet. It's like dragging and dropping isn't enabled.

@Numark Is there a previous build I can try? I see there was one drop recently and think this could have an issue.
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:44 PM - 28 April, 2016
Ya I haven't bothered listing any good points making me buy it as they are not the issue guess just trying to talk my self into it. I bought a ns7ii and its the biggest white elephant i have ever bought so don't wana make that mistake again.
Mr Wilks 9:05 PM - 28 April, 2016
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Ya I haven't bothered listing any good points making me buy it as they are not the issue guess just trying to talk my self into it. I bought a ns7ii and its the biggest white elephant i have ever bought so don't wana make that mistake again.


Okay... Well... Anytime after the 5th you're gonna test mine.

Imagine a mirrored SX with a better construction and screens with the added bonus of playing from stick if Serato decides to leave ya hanging with dead air to a crowd of 500 lol.

For me, the stick is really a backup but works fine. Having no beat grids though makes the slicer not follow anything so imagine you're playing off an older CDJ with no grid snapping. This makes loop rolls fun for the people who liked SSL where the loop rolls didn't snap to a grid haha!
Mr. Goodkat 9:14 PM - 28 April, 2016
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I bought a ns7ii and its the biggest white elephant i have ever bought so don't wana make that mistake again.


seems like any denon gear ends up being this outside of maybe the cdj's(or whatever the generic term is)
acemc 9:28 PM - 28 April, 2016
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Having no beat grids though makes the slicer not follow anything so imagine you're playing off an older CDJ with no grid snapping.

Is this just for music that hasn't been analysed with engine or is it the same even after being analysed?
Mr Wilks 9:41 PM - 28 April, 2016
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Having no beat grids though makes the slicer not follow anything so imagine you're playing off an older CDJ with no grid snapping.

Is this just for music that hasn't been analysed with engine or is it the same even after being analysed?


I found it was after analysis although I've been having a few issues with engine anyway so need to investigate.

Can anyone confirm? The looping doesn't seem to snap to a beat too. I noticed it in the promo video with D. Ramirez a while back and once I'd bought it I found it worked exactly the same as I saw... no beat transient snapping.

If you don't press BANG on the slicer then it will be quantized but a millisecond before or after so will hear a glitch while playing.

Unless I've missed something?
acemc 9:44 PM - 28 April, 2016
If it loops anything like it does in engine at the moment, then its a big issue!!
I thought it was just coz I can't adjust the beat grid in engine.
Damn, that's bad news.
Mr Wilks 9:56 PM - 28 April, 2016
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If it loops anything like it does in engine at the moment, then its a big issue!!
I thought it was just coz I can't adjust the beat grid in engine.
Damn, that's bad news.


I think so.

I just use it as I would do a CDJ really and forget the slicer in Engine. Auto loops aren't too bad as there's (nearly) always a beat before and after the loop but could still be problematic.

I noticed Denon have really put a lot of work recently into the Engine software update and I think of this V1.5 as a version 1 really as it's the start of Engine in new products.
There was many bug fixes from the latest update according to the release notes so really think it's going to get more love at some point soon as inMusic are going to be using Denon as their premium brand in the war with Pioneer so it will have to get better progressively and you can see a turn around. I expect this to slowly turn into a Rekordbox style software (not DJ).

I just hope our feedback on ideas and feature requests can be incorporated into the current crop of gear and not "do a Pioneer" by adding it to a MKII model in 18 months time, even though they could add it to firmware!
Chino 11:31 PM - 28 April, 2016
I used the MCx8000 at an afternoon gig today. I definitely like how loud and clear sounding it is. It is MUCH louder than my Vestax VCI 400.
matte1972 11:38 PM - 28 April, 2016
How's the track search on the mcx in engine mode? Turn rotary along a alphabet? Or is it more rudimentary?

It already seems like a pretty dope controller, just curious if the engine standalone is competent for long open format gigs.

If it is, its got everything I want, Serato and USB standalone!
Mr Wilks 11:44 PM - 28 April, 2016
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How's the track search on the mcx in engine mode? Turn rotary along a alphabet? Or is it more rudimentary?

It already seems like a pretty dope controller, just curious if the engine standalone is competent for long open format gigs.

If it is, its got everything I want, Serato and USB standalone!


If you hold 'shift' when twisting the browse knob you can choose a letter to jump to. It works well.
I'd like to see the possibility of connecting a small keyboard to search or an iPad/Android tablet to get the track we want.

It's competent on USB for a few hours just like you can play a few hours on CDJ 900s but the experience isn't as full as it is with Serato. I've not had any issues as such with the tests I've done.

I'd use it and get mixing done but it's not as good as computer based just yet.
matte1972 11:51 PM - 28 April, 2016
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If you hold 'shift' when twisting the browse knob you can choose a letter to jump to. It works well.
I'd like to see the possibility of connecting a small keyboard to search or an iPad/Android tablet to get the track we want.

It's competent on USB for a few hours just like you can play a few hours on CDJ 900s but the experience isn't as full as it is with Serato. I've not had any issues as such with the tests I've done.

I'd use it and get mixing done but it's not as good as computer based just yet.


Thanks for the reply, that seems functional but basic.
Mr Wilks 12:20 AM - 29 April, 2016
Yeah, it's pretty basic but from a USB where there's enough tracks for a few hours of music it's not too bad. Searching for tracks on a HDD with be a headache though!
Ariel M 1:07 AM - 29 April, 2016
Hi all,

I'm keeping an eye on Denon MCX8000, I have ddj-sx and the mcx8000 might be my next upgrade. I'll just wait until all the kinks, bugs, etc., gets fixed (if any) before I put my $ on it.

As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!

Cheers!

Ariel
Mr Wilks 1:23 AM - 29 April, 2016
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As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!


Hey Ariel

Spinning the platters backwards was one of the first things I did on the MCX8000 :)

It feels almost exactly like the SX when it spins. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if I was blindfolded haha!
djrobmac1 1:49 AM - 29 April, 2016
NUMARK!! As mentioned by Mr Wilks "No way to disengage the pitch by using SHIFT + PITCH SLIDER. This was used all the time for me on the Pio SX for transitions and moving the ranges around. I will miss that lots as it was a killer feature for me. Gutted! Hopefully it can be added."

Please Numark, can this be added??? I couldnt agree more that it was used all the time on the SX. Why is this useful? Lets say you pitched the last track up to the top of the pitch slider, you load a new track with sync enabled, its matched the bpm so you good to go for the mix, but after the mix you want to speed the track up, you can't because the pitch slider was at the top end from the last track. Basically holding down shift disengaged the pitch slider so you could move it down to the zero position and then you have the range of the slider back again.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add this, its the only thing i miss.
acemc 1:57 AM - 29 April, 2016
Why NUMARK?
If you use shift + pitch fader with 'sync' enabled does it not work?
Chino 4:33 PM - 29 April, 2016
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As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!


@ arielfm22 I agree with Mr. Wilks. Back spinning feels similar on both controllers. Whether you like the platters on a controller or not is extremely subjective. Your probably not going to find a huge difference until Denon adds direct drive moving platters on a future version of the MCx8000.

There IS a day and night difference between platters that are on controllers like the Denon MCx8000, Pioneer SX/SX2 and those that are on the Denon sc3900s, Numark NS7II NS7III. The ability to do turntablist like tricks on direct drive platters is part of the reason why I advocate for them to be on controllers. IMHO moving platters just feel better than static controller platters. I feel that way because I started DJing from vinyl. You may feel differently.
Ragman 5:23 PM - 29 April, 2016
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@ arielfm22 I agree with Mr. Wilks. Back spinning feels similar on both controllers. Whether you like the platters on a controller or not is extremely subjective. Your probably not going to find a huge difference until Denon adds direct drive moving platters on a future version of the MCx8000.

There IS a day and night difference between platters that are on controllers like the Denon MCx8000, Pioneer SX/SX2 and those that are on the Denon sc3900s, Numark NS7II NS7III. The ability to do turntablist like tricks on direct drive platters is part of the reason why I advocate for them to be on controllers. IMHO moving platters just feel better than static controller platters. I feel that way because I started DJing from vinyl. You may feel differently.

A lot of people don't realize how many DJs out there have this mindset. This is why no matter what I own or project to purchase controller wise, I will always have a set of SC3900s and an NS7. Currently, everyone with the exception Numark is focused on static platters. But I simply crave for the tactile feel of spinning platters. And as you say, it's not a debate type thing, just subjective and what is your comfort level as a DJ.
Mr. Goodkat 8:23 PM - 29 April, 2016
are backspins this crucial to your dj'ing? (if you are a dnb or ukg dj i totally understand)
akakak 8:33 PM - 29 April, 2016
The backspins feel fine to me (for dnb) - not as customizable as the sz, but not as stiff as the sz.
djrobmac1 8:34 PM - 29 April, 2016
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As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!

Cheers!

Ariel


I disagree with Mr Wilks, I think the backspin is better on the 8000 compared to the SX
akakak 9:04 PM - 29 April, 2016
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The backspins feel fine to me (for dnb) - not as customizable as the sz, but not as stiff as the sz.


"As the sx" I meant.
dj Krazey leo 10:33 PM - 29 April, 2016
You can definitely get good backspin out of the mcx 8000 without braking your wrist this this is probably the best controller out right now for all the features and plus Denon quality it's a win win, the sx series is definitely out classed right now.
Mr Wilks 11:53 PM - 29 April, 2016
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As for the ddj-sx, we all know that when you spin back on the jogwheel it's not good due to "tight" platter tension. Mr Wilks or Chino, can you guys try to spin back on the 8000 platter and see if it is better than the sx, please? Thank you!

Cheers!

Ariel


I disagree with Mr Wilks, I think the backspin is better on the 8000 compared to the SX


Could be just the unit I have then but I have both an SX1 and the MCX8000 and both are very similar in tension when backspinning.

It's negligible between them so it's possibly mine are a litter firmer than yours but find they are very similar. The MCX8000 probably has a little edge but it's similar in so many ways I'd say it's almost the same on my two units.
dj Krazey leo 1:10 AM - 30 April, 2016
Sound quality on the mcx 8000 is way better than the sx .better mic section it's just better i had both sx 1 and sx2 I can agree the Denon have similar lay outs as the pioneer but Denon just made it better
Chino 2:30 AM - 30 April, 2016
I'm putting together a list of improvements that I would like to see on the MCx8000. The below list is not in any particular order. Please add anything else I may have missed.

1. Change CUE button brightness to either OFF(no lights) or ON(CUE buttons lit)…I also like the 10% brightness when off and 100% brightness when pressed on.

2 Record directly to USB flash drive in standalone mode. This would be great for recording live mixes.

3. Add additional efx for Engine 1.5 standalone mode via a firmware update.

4. Engine 1.5 needs to be able to read more than just 44.1.

5. Sampler needs to work in Engine 1.5 standalone mode.

6. Improve beat grids and BPM analyzing in Engine.

I also have some hardware suggestions for a version 2 …the MCx9000

1. Larger high resolution touch screens.

2. Larger direct drive moving platters.

3. I also like the idea for combo 1/4/ XLR jacks for the Master and Booth outputs.
skinnyguy 3:05 AM - 30 April, 2016
option to turn off screens?
3 band mic eq
separate on/off switches for mics
non-mirrored layout

that is all. i think.

do they make combo 1/4 and xlr outputs? inputs, i've seen...
djrobmac1 3:11 AM - 30 April, 2016
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Why NUMARK?
If you use shift + pitch fader with 'sync' enabled does it not work?


Unmark are part of the same company hence why they are replying to this thread afaik. The Shift + pitch fader with 'sync' enabled does not work and its really annoying lol
djrobmac1 3:12 AM - 30 April, 2016
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Unmark
Make that Numark haha
djrobmac1 3:20 AM - 30 April, 2016
I tell you something that is annoying, I DJ using video through Serato DJ and mixemergency which works flawlessly. There is now quite an annoying limitation with the MCX8000. The obviously setup would be to have channels 3 & 4 as Serato and channels 1 & 2 as engine (you can only use engine on channels 1 & 2) BUT, and this is a big BUT, Serato's video output only works on channels 1&2 so if you want to use a combination of engine and serato with video it becomes tricky.

I wish Engine was on 3&4 or across all four decks.
Mr Wilks 4:22 AM - 30 April, 2016
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do they make combo 1/4 and xlr outputs? inputs, i've seen...


I've never seen them. I think they are impossible.

I connect to powered speakers (Mackie) that have XLR inputs so I'm happy with a straight common XLR M to F but jack would be a good addition as well.

The list of improvements above seems pretty solid. Most of them can be done in firmware so it's all down to Denon/Numark to take on board our constructive criticism. They are reading this and will be gathering our thoughts on what we think.

We are being positive and adding things we would like to see and I'm happy the guys are hanging out here to answer our questions and listen to what we have to say.

Personally I love the MCX8000, but could just do with a few tweaks to make it that little bit better. It beats the SX I used for two years and nothing else comes close to this yet... just a few minor changes to how it currently works is all it needs.

LED brightness needs toning down throughout. Everything should be lower and the cue when off should be the same as the mic off.

Shift + pitch slider needs to disengage when in sync.

Beatgrids need to be on the unit for the slicer and autoloops.

For a MK2 model:

Tone down the orange and blue randomly scattered lights. Go with different colours to make it look classy (blue or red).
The CUE and PLAY/PAUSE button should be different colours too. The 0% green LED needs to be red... just a uniform set of colours. Cue buttons all the same colour too.

It's like someone randomly ordered too many mixed coloured LEDs and they needed to use them up! Stick with a minimal variation and it will look much classier. Red and blue seem the best.
Mr Wilks 4:33 AM - 30 April, 2016
Anyway... things I like (as it's all too easy to complain).

I love how you can set a default beat count in engine.

I set to 8 beats so if you're doing loop rolls it will always spring back to your default and not end up as a 1/4 beat machine gun stutter when you try and loop! Nice touch.

I like the fact the waveforms appear even if the tracks aren't scanned. Just whack some tracks on a stick and you get a good experience.

The mixer sounds great. It's loud and punchy.

Good to see echo on the mic (not that I'd use it often but for impromptu karaoke it's a nice touch).

Post on the mic so the booth output doesn't get the mic. Great for a second room.

Link will be interesting. I'm looking forward to this coming and to see what we can do with it.

The metal feel is super solid but not in the same way an NS7 series from Numark is. It has a different feel altogether, especially with materials used.

Any more?
acemc 11:50 AM - 30 April, 2016
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not in the same way an NS7 series from Numark is. It has a different feel altogether

In your opinion, is it a better or worse feel?
acemc 12:21 PM - 30 April, 2016
Also, I'm not sure whether it's actually a hardware or Serato function,
but can anyone tell me if the resolution of the pitch fader is any better than the SX.
I always seemed to struggle to make very small/fine adjustments (lowest pitch range) with SX.
Regarding the 'SHIFT + PITCH' issue, I'm convinced this is a Serato mapping issue rather than a hardware limitation.
akakak 12:24 PM - 30 April, 2016
The pitch fader feels the same as the sx to me, but I never had a problem with that.

And +1 to the shift and pitch fader movement. I'm really missing that.
djrobmac1 11:01 AM - 1 May, 2016
Could agree more regarding the below comment!!

1. Change CUE button brightness to either OFF(no lights) or ON(CUE buttons lit)…I also like the 10% brightness when off and 100% brightness when pressed on.

It's too hard to distinguish when the cue is engaged. As someone else said it should be similar to the mic engage button which has a much more distinct on/off look.
akakak 11:04 AM - 1 May, 2016
*couldn't
djrobmac1 11:06 AM - 1 May, 2016
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Hate the way you can't edit posts on this forum lmao
akakak 11:15 AM - 1 May, 2016
:)
thorissr 12:16 PM - 1 May, 2016
I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:31 PM - 1 May, 2016
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I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks


Sdj diesnt save the key tag as 1A, 2A it just views them. So thats why it wont show in engine
Ragman 3:42 PM - 1 May, 2016
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I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks


Engine doesn't save the imported SDJ Camelot key (i.e. 1A, 2A) it converts it to standard musical notation keys (i.e. Bb, G#m). Keys are showing in Engine, just not Camelot Keys.

CORRECTED...
thorissr 3:46 PM - 1 May, 2016
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I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks


Engine doesn't save the imported SDJ Camelot key (i.e. 1A, 2A) it converts it to standard musical notation keys (i.e. Bb, G#m). Keys are showing in Engine, just not Camelot Keys.

CORRECTED...


Ok make sense....thanks
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:08 PM - 1 May, 2016
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I picked the MCX8000 up yesterday and it's a nice kit with great build and a feature set that will come in handy for mobile DJs. However, when I move files over from Serato to Engine 1.5 and after they are analyzed in Engine they don't show the Camelot key, i.e. 1A, 2A.

What am I doing wrong, or better yet, not doing?

Thanks


Engine doesn't save the imported SDJ Camelot key (i.e. 1A, 2A) it converts it to standard musical notation keys (i.e. Bb, G#m). Keys are showing in Engine, just not Camelot Keys.

CORRECTED...


NO! Sdj ""DOES NOT"" save the camelot key to the key tag it only VIEWS it as Cemelot!
Ragman 4:41 PM - 1 May, 2016
I was giving him the answer he seeked. I don't think he cares about what SDJ is doing.
LJ_WOOLSEY 5:10 PM - 1 May, 2016
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I was giving him the answer he seeked. I don't think he cares about what SDJ is doing.


ow i see, gotcha
LJ_WOOLSEY 5:36 PM - 1 May, 2016
I just opened Engine Dragged a track from SDJ (Been analyzed in MIK Camelot key) and in Engine (The software Don't have a MCX8000) and it shows the Key as Camelot 9A

So we saying the MCX8000 Can not display Camelot Keys???

Cheers
Chino 6:29 PM - 1 May, 2016
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So we saying the MCX8000 Can not display Camelot Keys???


The MCx8000 will display Key info but NOT Camelot Key info when in Engine standalone mode. Camelot Key info is displayed while using the MCx8000 with SDJ.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:39 PM - 1 May, 2016
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So we saying the MCX8000 Can not display Camelot Keys???


The MCx8000 will display Key info but NOT Camelot Key info when in Engine standalone mode. Camelot Key info is displayed while using the MCx8000 with SDJ.


Thats does seem odd then if the Engine software displays camelot but the embedded software on the mcx8000 doesn't! Very strange.
Chino 8:29 PM - 1 May, 2016
^^^ It's definitely strange. I just tested it out again to be certain and Camelot Key is NOT displaying when I use the MCx8000 in standlalone Engine mode. I'm not sure if it's by design or not. When I use SDJ it displays correctly. Maybe someone from Denon can comment on this?
thorissr 8:44 PM - 1 May, 2016
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So we saying the MCX8000 Can not display Camelot Keys???


The MCx8000 will display Key info but NOT Camelot Key info when in Engine standalone mode. Camelot Key info is displayed while using the MCx8000 with SDJ.


Thats does seem odd then if the Engine software displays camelot but the embedded software on the mcx8000 doesn't! Very strange.



Exactly...that's why I posed the question is because all the screenshots advertising Engine 1.5 shows keys in 1A etc, however, when I imported my SDJ library over and after Engine analyzed those tracks this wasn't the case. I thought maybe I didn't check off on one of the settings in Engine to show the Camelot format.
Ragman 12:28 AM - 2 May, 2016
Same here guys. When I imported tracks from my Serato library over to Engine, after analyzing it does not show Camelot key but rather standard music notation. I haven't tried it while connected to the MCX8000 as I don't own it yet.
thorissr 12:45 AM - 2 May, 2016
When using my Engine analyzed tracks(thumb drive) from SDJ tags in MCX8000 standalone mode, it shows the same standard key format when selecting tracks by key. Don't see no way as of now to view Camelot keys while using the MCX8000 in standalone mode.

Hope I'm missing something. Anyway good thing I don't rely on key mixing....was just curious as I thought everything imported over from tracks analyzed in Serato would be identical in Engine.

For those who rely on this type of mixing I hope this will soon change.
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:19 AM - 2 May, 2016
Wish i had a mcz8000 simply because if you scanned your keys in sdj it wont show the camelot key. Can you confirm that the camelot key is show in engine software on tour laptop before you export it to usb????
thorissr 3:28 AM - 2 May, 2016
When in Engine it displays standard format opposed to Camelot.
Mr Wilks 3:44 AM - 2 May, 2016
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Wish i had a mcz8000 simply because if you scanned your keys in sdj it wont show the camelot key. Can you confirm that the camelot key is show in engine software on tour laptop before you export it to usb????


I'm here to help!

Yup. Camelot is displayed in your tags on the unit if they are written that way.

Whatever your format is, it's displayed.

As LJ said, if your using Serato to write your tags then they are writing them in the traditional notation and NOT Camelot... but Serato will display them in Camelot if you set it too.

On the unit now I'm looking at them in Camelot. It would have to convert if so... which it doesn't do. Just reads what you have in ya tags.
Mr Wilks 3:46 AM - 2 May, 2016
I think know there is a little confusion here as to what people are referring to as "Engine".

The companion software for your computer that scans is Engine and the player is an excellent gone player. Kinda like Rekordbox.
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:52 AM - 2 May, 2016
Thanks Wilks i thought this must been the case!
Mr Wilks 3:58 AM - 2 May, 2016
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Thanks Wilks i thought this must been the case!


Yeah, it's kinda how you'd expect if you go into the key option then there's a list of all your keys... click a key and all the tracks in that key are in that crate.
Mr Wilks 4:52 AM - 2 May, 2016
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I think know there is a little confusion here as to what people are referring to as "Engine".

The companion software for your computer that scans is Engine and the player is an excellent gone player. Kinda like Rekordbox.


An "excellent gone player"?

I need to proofread first but I blame being in a DJ box and trying to post at the same time.

I don't even know what it was meant to be. I think it was "Engine player" or something like that.
Mr Wilks 6:33 AM - 2 May, 2016
Okay... so I had the left hand side of the controller, including screen, lock up tonight on me while using Serato DJ.

I'd just done a 4 hour gig in a bar and shut down everything to move next door to the club. I clean booted the laptop and opened SDJ only for it to lock up after a few minutes... fine I thought... I'll just switch to USB. Well only one side was playing ball (the right hand side) so had to use that. I restarted SDJ which gave me back the left side of the controller but the MCX screen still stayed frozen on the track that was playing at the time of the freeze. Windows also warned me that "A USB device plugged into this computer has malfunctioned"... however I still had audio.

USB mode was only useful on one side as the screen meant it was impossible to see what was going off on the left.

Looks like there's a rare problem with SDJ screen freezing on the MCX and not being able to recover without a power cycle.
Chino 1:43 PM - 2 May, 2016
^^^ Are you using SDJ 1.8.2 or 1.9.0? Have you updated to the latest firmware for the MCx8000? There may be an update for the Windows drivers as well.
Mr Wilks 3:07 PM - 2 May, 2016
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^^^ Are you using SDJ 1.8.2 or 1.9.0? Have you updated to the latest firmware for the MCx8000? There may be an update for the Windows drivers as well.


I'm running the latest firmware and drivers (the latest firmware contained a fix for some freezing screens too if I remember) but not the latest Serato due to a few issues with 1.9.

I'll monitor it and see how it goes. I've done three gigs of 7 hours each with it and not seen it before so I'll let it slide but I'll be weary of it.

I did get one freeze with the engine side of it with my first ever play but I managed to load another song and that fixed it.

I'll just monitor it for now as it wasn't a showstopper but an inconvenience.
Chino 4:04 PM - 2 May, 2016
I am also using SDJ 1.8.2 instead of 1.9.0. I'm hoping for a SDJ 1.9x maintenance release that will include some improvements to the GUI, stability and some CPU optimizations.
Mr Wilks 5:55 PM - 2 May, 2016
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I am also using SDJ 1.8.2 instead of 1.9.0. I'm hoping for a SDJ 1.9x maintenance release that will include some improvements to the GUI, stability and some CPU optimizations.


I liked 1.9 as there was improvements to search but I had the odd issue so thought it was best for now to be on 1.8.

I'll keep checking with Denon's page to see if there's any updates.
Chino 3:37 AM - 3 May, 2016
On a side note… Since the Denon DJ forum is down maybe Denon should take this time to revamp the forum. I would like to see an official Denon DJ forum linked directly to their web site. It would be good to have a centralized place to seek help, make suggestions and discuss all things related to Denon DJ products.
Ragman 4:52 AM - 3 May, 2016
Taking a logical guess, I think the Denon forum might be gone for good. It's never been down this long and I've been a member over 10 years now. What makes me say this is how Numark is the official support site now for both companies. Thoughts anyone???
djbigz 5:24 AM - 3 May, 2016
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Taking a logical guess, I think the Denon forum might be gone for good. It's never been down this long and I've been a member over 10 years now. What makes me say this is how Numark is the official support site now for both companies. Thoughts anyone???



forum.djtechtools.com
akakak 6:53 AM - 3 May, 2016
Can anyone confirm that the shift and pitch fader control thing can be fixed as a mapping?
Mr Wilks 11:18 AM - 3 May, 2016
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On a side note… Since the Denon DJ forum is down maybe Denon should take this time to revamp the forum. I would like to see an official Denon DJ forum linked directly to their web site. It would be good to have a centralized place to seek help, make suggestions and discuss all things related to Denon DJ products.


I'd much see an official one open. It was a 'fansite' originally with a unofficial blessing from Denon but had some shady practices of the admins changing posts or deleting them to make themselves look better under negativity.

I had a thread deleted regarding the buttons on the X900 all breaking ans I showed an iFixit style photo of what was breaking and how to repair and also how to avoid Charles Hyde for official parts as the switch was £0.75 but they charged £4.99 postage for something that was light as a feather.

I am never rude or use language but the thread for deleted after it had a few views, to which they denied it existed! I had screen caps of it!

Also, I had a bug with the software in the HD2500 and the thread title was "Possible HD2500 bug?" Only for it to magically change to "Possible HD2500 issue?".

The change only happened to the thread title and evey post underneath contained the original thread title with the word "bug" in it. I've seen that happen again since with another thread so they are cleansing negativity which I didn't like.

I lost faith in their products after that and vowed to never buy Denon again... however I have, and was only because of their new inMusic association.

Doctoring forum posts to give a positive spin is a low move.
Ragman 1:49 PM - 3 May, 2016
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Taking a logical guess, I think the Denon forum might be gone for good. It's never been down this long and I've been a member over 10 years now. What makes me say this is how Numark is the official support site now for both companies. Thoughts anyone???



forum.djtechtools.com

Thanks for this link Bigz. There is a lot of good content and history on that site, so good to know it's a problem they're trying to resolve. The last major outage they had forced them to reset all user accounts. That was ugly as a lot of content was lost. Hopefully they will fully recover this go round.
Ragman 1:54 PM - 3 May, 2016
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On a side note… Since the Denon DJ forum is down maybe Denon should take this time to revamp the forum. I would like to see an official Denon DJ forum linked directly to their web site. It would be good to have a centralized place to seek help, make suggestions and discuss all things related to Denon DJ products.


I'd much see an official one open. It was a 'fansite' originally with a unofficial blessing from Denon but had some shady practices of the admins changing posts or deleting them to make themselves look better under negativity.

I had a thread deleted regarding the buttons on the X900 all breaking ans I showed an iFixit style photo of what was breaking and how to repair and also how to avoid Charles Hyde for official parts as the switch was £0.75 but they charged £4.99 postage for something that was light as a feather.

I am never rude or use language but the thread for deleted after it had a few views, to which they denied it existed! I had screen caps of it!

Also, I had a bug with the software in the HD2500 and the thread title was "Possible HD2500 bug?" Only for it to magically change to "Possible HD2500 issue?".

The change only happened to the thread title and evey post underneath contained the original thread title with the word "bug" in it. I've seen that happen again since with another thread so they are cleansing negativity which I didn't like.

I lost faith in their products after that and vowed to never buy Denon again... however I have, and was only because of their new inMusic association.

Doctoring forum posts to give a positive spin is a low move.

As I said before I've been a member on the Denon forum for awhile and I can pretty much guess who was responsible for doing that to your thread. I must admit that is one of the ugly things I didn't like about that site as well. But there are some awesome DJs on that site sharing good info as well. That's why I've remained active. However the site has lost much of it's popularity over the last couple of years.
Numark
NumarkCorey 3:32 PM - 3 May, 2016
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I'm running the latest firmware and drivers (the latest firmware contained a fix for some freezing screens too if I remember) but not the latest Serato due to a few issues with 1.9.

I'll monitor it and see how it goes. I've done three gigs of 7 hours each with it and not seen it before so I'll let it slide but I'll be weary of it.

I did get one freeze with the engine side of it with my first ever play but I managed to load another song and that fixed it.

I'll just monitor it for now as it wasn't a showstopper but an inconvenience.


Hi Mr. Wilks

Sorry to hear that you were having trouble with that. if you continue to see the freezing pop up, please make sure to reach out to our Tech Support team directly for assistance. You can submit and inquiry or call your nearest support team through our contact page - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!
Mr Wilks 3:54 PM - 3 May, 2016
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I'm running the latest firmware and drivers (the latest firmware contained a fix for some freezing screens too if I remember) but not the latest Serato due to a few issues with 1.9.

I'll monitor it and see how it goes. I've done three gigs of 7 hours each with it and not seen it before so I'll let it slide but I'll be weary of it.

I did get one freeze with the engine side of it with my first ever play but I managed to load another song and that fixed it.

I'll just monitor it for now as it wasn't a showstopper but an inconvenience.


Hi Mr. Wilks

Sorry to hear that you were having trouble with that. if you continue to see the freezing pop up, please make sure to reach out to our Tech Support team directly for assistance. You can submit and inquiry or call your nearest support team through our contact page - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!


Definitely. Thanks for the heads up and still good to see you guys around.

I've yet to hear back regarding no dragging or dropping into the Engine software on Windows 10 from Serato DJs crates. I was in contact last week so we'll see if I hear back.

I've still not been able to import yet and I've had it a week.
Chino 3:07 PM - 4 May, 2016
Is anyone running their USB latency at 2ms or 5ms with the MCx8000?

I have noticed that I need to keep my setting at 10ms or I start to get USB drop outs and the red peak dot appears. I have a high spec MBP so I didn't think I would need to run the latency so high. The only thing I run with SDJ 1.8.2 is Mix Emergency 2.7.1. I also use Pitch N' Time. WiFi and Bluetooth are always off. Serato's Optimization Guide hasn't helped. I can run 10ms BUT I prefer the tightness of 5ms.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan)
Mr Wilks 3:36 PM - 4 May, 2016
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Is anyone running their USB latency at 2ms or 5ms with the MCx8000?

I have noticed that I need to keep my setting at 10ms or I start to get USB drop outs and the red peak dot appears. I have a high spec MBP so I didn't think I would need to run the latency so high. The only thing I run with SDJ 1.8.2 is Mix Emergency 2.7.1. I also use Pitch N' Time. WiFi and Bluetooth are always off. Serato's Optimization Guide hasn't helped. I can run 10ms BUT I prefer the tightness of 5ms.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan)


From what I've read, the screens add to the latency as I've seen NS7III and NV people say the same. Not sure about the dashboard but will assume so as it's a similar set up.

I think there's a lot of data coming down that USB port and a little increase in the latency bar is needed to keep things running smooth. I'm at 10ms and not tried anything less but will test later.
Chino 4:02 PM - 4 May, 2016
^^^ Good to know. Thanks for the reply! I figured that is the case. Maybe some optimizing improvements to SDJ's GUI and CPU use will help with this? It would be nice to run a lower, tighter USB latency.
Mr Wilks 4:22 PM - 4 May, 2016
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^^^ Good to know. Thanks for the reply! I figured that is the case. Maybe some optimizing improvements to SDJ's GUI and CPU use will help with this? It would be nice to run a lower, tighter USB latency.


Yeah, it would be nice but think as all devices are USB 2.0 then we could be on the verge of what's possible? I'm not sure and it's only speculation but you never know. Maybe newer devices will be USB 3.0 at some point? USB-C is a bit far away I think.

I'll have to have a snoop around and see if it could be the screens that's causing it as it could be unrelated but it's something I picked up on from around the forums.
Chino 5:18 PM - 4 May, 2016
I sent Denon a suggestion to run Midi over ethernet. Ethernet can carry much more data faster over longer distances then USB. Since the MCx8000 already has an Ethernet port than this could be done via a firmware update. It would improve the overall latency. I know Denon has plans for the Ethernet port to control it's new StageLinc protocol but we'll see what happens.

For those of you attempting to remap the hardware…Today I attempted to remap the hardware master volume of the MCx8000 to control SDJ's software master volume. Unfortunately, it did NOT work.
Chino 5:33 PM - 4 May, 2016
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"Embedded Systems Engineer

Tue, March 29, 2016

Summary

InMusic Brands, the parent company to such brands as M-Audio, Akai Professional, Alesis, and Denon DJ, is looking for a talented Embedded Systems Engineer to join our engineering team in Cumberland, RI. The ideal candidate is as comfortable designing electrical schematics as they are writing lines of firmware. If you’re a hot-shot in only one of these areas though, please apply - we want to hear from you too.

Engineers at InMusic get the rare opportunity to do new product design daily. With short design cycles and a constant stream of new products, we spend all day doing what we love to do best - designing electronics. We do the hands-on development work some engineers never get to do in their entire career."

I have a feeling we are going to see ALOT more embedded hardware controllers in the near future from Denon DJ! We might FINALLY see a completely standalone MPC Renaissance II.

Hopefully Serato will get into the embedded technology game and develop a standalone version of SDJ...
acemc 6:33 PM - 4 May, 2016
Just got my MCX8000 today :) I've been like a kid on xmas day today. Super stoked!!
I'm sad to say though that I've already had one screen freeze while using usb sticks.
I wasn't able to get it corrected by switching to SDJ, I had to power it off & on again :(
Just as other's have mentioned, the slicer, loops & rolls are terrible in usb mode!!
I can also confirm that bumping the left deck's pitch fader when pushing / pulling a track into beat happens a lot easier than I thought. I've decided to remove the pitch fader knob. It actually helps big time!! Something that I've found very irritating is not having a sec or so before the actual start of a track. This makes scratching the first beat almost impossible. Surely any track should have at least a 1sec lead in??
My biggest concern for now though is the freezing display that require a power cycle to fix.
Overall though I'm quite happy with the unit.
The sound quality is without a doubt, drastically better than the SX2.
I really like the screens & will definitely be staring at my laptop a whole lot less.
I hope & pray that Denon will sort out the engine software & 8000 firmware so that we can actually make a decent loop, adjust beat grids & of course.... no screen freeze!
Mr Wilks 8:08 PM - 4 May, 2016
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Just got my MCX8000 today :) I've been like a kid on xmas day today. Super stoked!!
I'm sad to say though that I've already had one screen freeze while using usb sticks.
I wasn't able to get it corrected by switching to SDJ, I had to power it off & on again :(
Just as other's have mentioned, the slicer, loops & rolls are terrible in usb mode!!
I can also confirm that bumping the left deck's pitch fader when pushing / pulling a track into beat happens a lot easier than I thought. I've decided to remove the pitch fader knob. It actually helps big time!! Something that I've found very irritating is not having a sec or so before the actual start of a track. This makes scratching the first beat almost impossible. Surely any track should have at least a 1sec lead in??
My biggest concern for now though is the freezing display that require a power cycle to fix.
Overall though I'm quite happy with the unit.
The sound quality is without a doubt, drastically better than the SX2.
I really like the screens & will definitely be staring at my laptop a whole lot less.
I hope & pray that Denon will sort out the engine software & 8000 firmware so that we can actually make a decent loop, adjust beat grids & of course.... no screen freeze!


Glad to see you're happy.

The slicer is useless without beat grids (and loop snapping too). If they ever get implemented they will be usable. Nice they've included them but only useable for the brave!

I had a screen freeze once in Engine and that was just after updating to the latest firmware. I managed to break out of it though by pressing random buttons around the display but I'm not sure which.

The other time a screen froze was in Serato mode but the whole left side could be used but without the screen made it too difficult. Once these issues are sorted it's a winner.

Have you tried turning off the auto cue function in the set up menu? There's a sensitivity but can also be turned off. I have it on but it always loads a track a millisecond from the start. Load from first cue point would be best for me. If you're listening Denon... Yes please! The MCX8000 creates a temporary cue in a good spot but it's a fraction off my cue point. Let's hope they can add a load from first cue option!

The sound is amazing. Glad you're liking it!
acemc 9:08 PM - 4 May, 2016
Thanks Mr Wilks, I'll try turning off the auto cue & see if that helps.
2 Other things that I've just noticed...
1) The fader start implementation SUCKS BIG TIME.
You have to press then release & press shift again each time you want the track to start over.
It should basically work as follows: Fader moves up = Start. Fader reaches bottom = Cue.
2) Post fader effects don't work with x-fader <-- I'm really disappointed with this!!!
I hardly ever use my line faders, I almost exclusively use x-fader.
DENON...........Why do it like this??
dj Krazey leo 10:19 PM - 4 May, 2016
I'm actually running at 1ms with absolutely no problem my computer specs are early 2k11 Mbp just recently upgraded to El Capitan 4gb of ram quad core 2.0 i7 processor running Pnt never wifi or Bluetooth when running Sdj and I Also did Serato optimizing and so far so good been testing at home for about 4 hours everyday but will give it the ultimate test this weekend at a couple of gigs I will report back.
Chino 10:51 PM - 4 May, 2016
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Wow. That's great to hear. I can run SSL at 2ms but I haven't been able to run SDJ 1.8.2 or 1.9.0 at less than 5ms latency without getting audio drop outs. Please post your results after your gig this weekend. I'm interested to see how it goes. I'm also using the MCx8000 for an upcoming gig this weekend. I have a 5 hour event. I have used it at a previous afternoon gig but that was only 2 hours long.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:01 PM - 4 May, 2016
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I'm actually running at 1ms with absolutely no problem my computer specs are early 2k11 Mbp just recently upgraded to El Capitan 4gb of ram quad core 2.0 i7 processor running Pnt never wifi or Bluetooth when running Sdj and I Also did Serato optimizing and so far so good been testing at home for about 4 hours everyday but will give it the ultimate test this weekend at a couple of gigs I will report back.


That is good! my mid 2012 2.7ghz quadcore i7, 16gb ram can not go below 5ms with any sdj hardware. I use PnT. Strange how users get such different results.
thorissr 1:07 AM - 5 May, 2016
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I'm actually running at 1ms with absolutely no problem my computer specs are early 2k11 Mbp just recently upgraded to El Capitan 4gb of ram quad core 2.0 i7 processor running Pnt never wifi or Bluetooth when running Sdj and I Also did Serato optimizing and so far so good been testing at home for about 4 hours everyday but will give it the ultimate test this weekend at a couple of gigs I will report back.


Same experience here running mavericks 10.9.5 mbp late 2k13 15 inch, and a hp elitebook i7 quad (backup)
DJ gsr 2:14 AM - 5 May, 2016
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Same experience here running mavericks 10.9.5 mbp late 2k13 15 inch, and a hp elitebook i7 quad (backup)


I have same mbp I'll try 1ms , never upgrade to El Capitan not compatible to sl2 for my back up.
akakak 7:19 PM - 5 May, 2016
The crossfader behaviour is strange to me. If I have the crossfader curve knob all the anti-clockwise, and then put the crossfader in the centre, deck 1 gets quieter. I don't expect it to get quieter until I move past the centre point to the right.

I remember having the same issue with Serato ages ago, when the crossfader would be set to Power instead of Linear.

If I put the crossfader curve in the middle, it seems okay.

Is this expected behaviour?
Chino 8:46 PM - 5 May, 2016
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I don't expect it to get quieter until I move past the centre point to the right.


If that is the behavior your looking for then make sure the cross fader setting in SDJ is set to linear. Also put the hardware x fader contour curve knob on the MCx8000 in the middle. This should give you the desired result.
acemc 8:47 PM - 5 May, 2016
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Is this expected behaviour?

Im pretty sure that's normal.
If the curve is totally right, the cut is sharp - fully open millimetres after moving the fader.
If the curve is in the centre, each deck will be full volume until it reaches centre, then it fades.
If the curve is totally left, each decks starts it fade as soon as you start moving it away.
The idea behind it is that when you have 2 tracks playing together, you have twice the level, so that specific curve reduces both to give a more balanced mix / fade.
akakak 9:02 PM - 5 May, 2016
I feel dumb now! :) thanks!

Where does everyone typically have their curve?
ernie 12:00 AM - 6 May, 2016
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^^^ You can adjust the touch sensitivity and the brake but not the overall platter tension. Not sure if the effects are upgradeable via firmware. That would be a nice if it could be upgraded.

I have discovered a major issue in round two of my Denon MCx8000 controller testing. After about 2 1/2 hours of running SDJ 1.9.0, the master output begins to distort badly. It's to the point that the music stops playing. This also happens if I run SDJ 1.8.2. I've optimized my MBP, replaced the USB cable and the XLR cables but the distortion still occurs. I've tried using another USB port and did a clean install of SDJ but that does't correct the issue. It's also been tested on another MBP I own (mid 2009 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.8 Core Duo 8GB RAM 500 GB SSD) the distortion still happens. The weird thing is that it only happenss when I have the controller connected to my computer using SDJ. I've tested the MCx8000 in standalone
mode for 3+ hours and it works fine with no issues. I opened a ticket with Serato Support and Denon DJ. They were both sent multiple videos of the master output distortion. Denon indicated that I will be receiving a phone call today with a possible fix. I'm hoping the controller just needs a firmware update but I didn't see any news of a new firmware update on their website. I will provide an update once I hear back from Denon and Serato Support.

The plan was to use the MCx8000 for an event I have this weekend. Looks like I will be using what works….. Scratch Live. I'm really trying to give SDJ a chance but all the issues I've experienced so far make me question that decision.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD



I experienced the same thing after playing for 2 hours the distortion begins from low to high level what i did is i adjust the buffer size and its gone.. i will check back again later to see if it's permanently resolve .. how's your mcx 8000? did they fix the problem?
Chino 1:14 AM - 6 May, 2016
^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?
ernie 1:30 AM - 6 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


befor im on buffer 2 now i'm on 5.. i'm in the process of observing and testing.. and i also follow your setting recommendation so far no distortion.. i'll keep you posted i bought my
mcx last week
FredrikA 7:28 AM - 6 May, 2016
I'm having major problems with Engine 1.5.1 for Windows 10.
When importing a large number of tracks the program crashes after a while. I can get rid of it by importing smaller chunks of tracks, so that's fine. My biggest concern though is the analyzing of tracks. At first I could analyse some 200 tracks before the program crashed, but now it's only about 3 tracks. I tried a reboot, uninstallation and also auto analyze set to off, but still the same problem.
Another thing that maybe has been mentioned before is the incorrect BPM analysis. Almost every two songs I play differs in tempo although I've set the pitch to the same BPM on the MCX8000 in standalone mode (not using Sync mode). It can differ up to 0.5 beats. Luckily I only beatmatch by ear, but it's something that should be corrected in future updates.

Overall I think Engine 1.5/1.5.1 just doesn't feel like a stable release yet.
Anyone else experiencing these problems?
Mr Wilks 11:42 AM - 6 May, 2016
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Anyone else experiencing these problems?


On Win 10 I can't import anything into Engine from Serato's crates at all... 10 days after buying it!

I can import via the options in Engine but the Engine video shows dragging and dropping from crates and for some reason I can't drop anything into Engine. Can you?

Have you tried dropping anything into the Engine window? I just get a cross appear on the pointer.

And yeah... The BPM is out by .1 on almost everything. 120.0 becomes 120.1

I just didn't scan BPM on import and that helps for me.
Chino 4:15 PM - 6 May, 2016
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befor im on buffer 2 now i'm on 5.. i'm in the process of observing and testing.. and i also follow your setting recommendation so far no distortion.. i'll keep you posted i bought my
mcx last week


I would recommend doing a test run of at least 3+ hours straight before playing out a gig with it. Sometimes the distortion has a way of creeping in after a couple of hours. Make sure your on the latest firmware and drivers. I bumped up the USB latency to 10ms. I keep the Max Screen Refresh Rate at 20sec MAX. The screens are dependent on the MIDI info that is provided by the USB port. It's a lot of info so your computer may need the added "breathing" room that 10ms latency provides. Check the MIDI Trans Interval on your controller too. It's under the UTILITY Menu. Set that to 3ms. I know it seems like ALOT of optimizing but it's well worth the trouble. You will notice a huge difference in performance after you reconfigure a couple of settings.
Chino 4:44 PM - 6 May, 2016
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And yeah... The BPM is out by .1 on almost everything. 120.0 becomes 120.1

I just didn't scan BPM on import and that helps for me.


@ Mr Wilks I usually mix the next song in at a slightly faster speed to compensate for any delay (so 120BPM would be 120.1 BPM on the next mixed song). The way your describing is how I mix since I started DJing. It's an old trick from my vinyl days. It helps the song that your mixing reach the speed of the song already being played.

if your saying that the overall BPM analyzing is off by .1 then maybe try changing your overall PITCH to -+8%. See if that helps.
acemc 2:24 PM - 7 May, 2016
The analysed bpm affects loops & any other quantised functions,
so even if you have a work around to mix with it's still a big problem.
Another BIG BUG, is plugging anything into the usb hub at the back of the unit.
It causes a momentary stop of audio in SDJ & 8000's screen freeze!!
Basically the hub is useless.
acemc 2:41 PM - 7 May, 2016
I think that the screen freeze is actually a SDJ issue.
Loading tracks from a usb give a waveform & screen functions as normal in any other mode.
I also find that I'm unable to load tracks from history using the 8000.
I expect the screens on the 8000 to follow wherever I am in library, but this doesn't happen.
The more I look at it, it seems to all point to SDJ's limited functionality with the 8000.
It's all about what SDJ sends to the screen.
They could even give us a beat matching waveform option IF they wanted to.
SDJ already sends that info to the NS7iii & dashboard screens, so why not give it to us too?
Mr Wilks 5:38 PM - 7 May, 2016
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They could even give us a beat matching waveform option IF they wanted to.
SDJ already sends that info to the NS7iii & dashboard screens, so why not give it to us too?


THIS!!!!!!!
s4yjaipau 3:11 AM - 8 May, 2016
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I'm having major problems with Engine 1.5.1 for Windows 10.
When importing a large number of tracks the program crashes after a while. I can get rid of it by importing smaller chunks of tracks, so that's fine. My biggest concern though is the analyzing of tracks. At first I could analyse some 200 tracks before the program crashed, but now it's only about 3 tracks. I tried a reboot, uninstallation and also auto analyze set to off, but still the same problem.
Another thing that maybe has been mentioned before is the incorrect BPM analysis. Almost every two songs I play differs in tempo although I've set the pitch to the same BPM on the MCX8000 in standalone mode (not using Sync mode). It can differ up to 0.5 beats. Luckily I only beatmatch by ear, but it's something that should be corrected in future updates.

Overall I think Engine 1.5/1.5.1 just doesn't feel like a stable release yet.
Anyone else experiencing these problems?



I found that Engine 1.5 will not let you import purchased tracks from iTunes (because they contain copyrighted tags/data). In standalone mode, it also says "file not supported" when trying to play these songs.

Essentially, I can't even use my library with Engine 1.5. The interface is so bad as well. It looks like Denon was mimicking a MacOS window, and gives Windows users not "drag and snap" functionality.
s4yjaipau 3:13 AM - 8 May, 2016
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I'm having major problems with Engine 1.5.1 for Windows 10.
When importing a large number of tracks the program crashes after a while. I can get rid of it by importing smaller chunks of tracks, so that's fine. My biggest concern though is the analyzing of tracks. At first I could analyse some 200 tracks before the program crashed, but now it's only about 3 tracks. I tried a reboot, uninstallation and also auto analyze set to off, but still the same problem.
Another thing that maybe has been mentioned before is the incorrect BPM analysis. Almost every two songs I play differs in tempo although I've set the pitch to the same BPM on the MCX8000 in standalone mode (not using Sync mode). It can differ up to 0.5 beats. Luckily I only beatmatch by ear, but it's something that should be corrected in future updates.

Overall I think Engine 1.5/1.5.1 just doesn't feel like a stable release yet.
Anyone else experiencing these problems?


Also, the two part analyzing process is so frikken slow. It needs to first read your iTunes library, AND THEN update the data base? I don't understand why the Engine 1.5 library can't just import the entire iTunes autmatically, just as Rekordbox or Serato or Traktor can do.
Ragman 4:16 AM - 8 May, 2016
Unlike Serato, Engine does not take advantage of multi-core processor when analyzing. It just analyze one track at a time. It's slow as hell for analyzing large libraries.
s4yjaipau 4:19 AM - 8 May, 2016
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Unlike Serato, Engine does not take advantage of multi-core processor when analyzing. It just analyze one track at a time. It's slow as hell for analyzing large libraries.


Denon made such a hype controller, but after more usage, I see so many flaws in it.
Mr Wilks 5:32 AM - 8 May, 2016
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Unlike Serato, Engine does not take advantage of multi-core processor when analyzing. It just analyze one track at a time. It's slow as hell for analyzing large libraries.


Denon made such a hype controller, but after more usage, I see so many flaws in it.


The funny thing is I'm the opposite.

I came into it noticing every little flaw and things that bugged me after using the SX but now after six long gigs with it I'm really enjoying it. I've forgotten what the SX was like!

I've took it for the controller it is. I think after everything, the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Other than that it's brilliant.
ernie 5:46 AM - 8 May, 2016
Here's my video the distortion starts when lowering the bufer size it starts on bufffer 5 but increase on #1 i already updated my firmware…. it happen only on #5 #2 and #1

Watchwww.youtube.com
ernie 6:03 AM - 8 May, 2016
It starts to distort after 1 to 2 hours of mixing
acemc 12:58 PM - 8 May, 2016
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the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.
Mr Wilks 2:35 PM - 8 May, 2016
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the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.


Good tip acemc. I never thought of that.

I'm actually getting used to it slowly now... But... Denon, if you're listening... Can we have a "traditional" layout on a future product please?

Mirrored makes sense for a small controller but when something is the size of two small CDJs and a mixer... It should really operate like one!

It's so big I move my body and position myself in front of each deck... Only to have a different way of working depending if it's left or right. Shifting the sync and auto loop buttons depending on which deck your on is a crime against logical thought. I use sync on a 'per track' basis and I also loop the start of each intro. It's a nightmare when these two are swapped!

However... It's an awesome controller and I'm getting the feel for it after a few weeks. It's a shame it's took this long for me to start to be comfortable as it should just be natural as other DJ gear adopts a pro feel and layout. Imagine if CDJs and DJMs varied from venue to venue but hey-ho.
Mr Wilks 3:16 PM - 8 May, 2016
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the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.


Good tip acemc. I never thought of that.

I'm actually getting used to it slowly now... But... Denon, if you're listening... Can we have a "traditional" layout on a future product please?

Mirrored makes sense for a small controller but when something is the size of two small CDJs and a mixer... It should really operate like one!

It's so big I move my body and position myself in front of each deck... Only to have a different way of working depending if it's left or right. Shifting the sync and auto loop buttons depending on which deck your on is a crime against logical thought. I use sync on a 'per track' basis and I also loop the start of each intro. It's a nightmare when these two are swapped!

However... It's an awesome controller and I'm getting the feel for it after a few weeks. It's a shame it's took this long for me to start to be comfortable as it should just be natural as other DJ gear adopts a pro feel and layout. Imagine if CDJs and DJMs varied from venue to venue but hey-ho.


Basically... The 1% of the worlds population that are ambidextrous will love it!

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Tommyoz 4:09 AM - 9 May, 2016
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the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.


Good tip acemc. I never thought of that.

I'm actually getting used to it slowly now... But... Denon, if you're listening... Can we have a "traditional" layout on a future product please?


Mirrored makes sense for a small controller but when something is the size of two small CDJs and a mixer... It should really operate like one!

It's so big I move my body and position myself in front of each deck... Only to have a different way of working depending if it's left or right. Shifting the sync and auto loop buttons depending on which deck your on is a crime against logical thought. I use sync on a 'per track' basis and I also loop the start of each intro. It's a nightmare when these two are swapped!

However... It's an awesome controller and I'm getting the feel for it after a few weeks. It's a shame it's took this long for me to start to be comfortable as it should just be natural as other DJ gear adopts a pro feel and layout. Imagine if CDJs and DJMs varied from venue to venue but hey-ho.


I agree. When I saw your first response of this unit I thought to myself, "I think he needs a little more time to play with it and maybe he can forgive. However, I totally agree with you about the mirrored comments. I'm constantly still hitting that pitch slider. I'm trying my best to maneuver around it. I love this thing though. Enough to consider selling my NS7III.
Mr Wilks 2:53 PM - 9 May, 2016
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the only thing that bothers me is that it's mirrored. On such a big device I find myself standing in front of the section I'm using and you have to use it differently depending on which deck is playing. Shift is on opposite sides but the screens aren't mirrored so shift + a button on the screen is clumsy.

Exactly what I'm struggling with too. Try to forget about one of the shift buttons.
I now just use the left shift button for everything. It's made it easier... for me at least.


Good tip acemc. I never thought of that.

I'm actually getting used to it slowly now... But... Denon, if you're listening... Can we have a "traditional" layout on a future product please?


Mirrored makes sense for a small controller but when something is the size of two small CDJs and a mixer... It should really operate like one!

It's so big I move my body and position myself in front of each deck... Only to have a different way of working depending if it's left or right. Shifting the sync and auto loop buttons depending on which deck your on is a crime against logical thought. I use sync on a 'per track' basis and I also loop the start of each intro. It's a nightmare when these two are swapped!

However... It's an awesome controller and I'm getting the feel for it after a few weeks. It's a shame it's took this long for me to start to be comfortable as it should just be natural as other DJ gear adopts a pro feel and layout. Imagine if CDJs and DJMs varied from venue to venue but hey-ho.


I agree. When I saw your first response of this unit I thought to myself, "I think he needs a little more time to play with it and maybe he can forgive. However, I totally agree with you about the mirrored comments. I'm constantly still hitting that pitch slider. I'm trying my best to maneuver around it. I love this thing though. Enough to consider selling my NS7III.


It's took me a little longer than I'd have liked but I'm getting there. Mirroring the pitch slider isn't an issue but messing with the location of the play, cue, sync & autoloop button is inexcusable.

Looking here serato.com all Serato DJ controllers are mirrored apart from the SR, SX, SZ and S1... However... The Pioneer controllers don't switch the play and cue buttons when they are mirrored, if I remember correctly.

Still... I love it! I just hope there's feedback being taken and noted for the MK2 model!
Tommyoz 5:37 PM - 9 May, 2016
It's took me a little longer than I'd have liked but I'm getting there. Mirroring the pitch slider isn't an issue but messing with the location of the play, cue, sync & autoloop button is inexcusable.

Looking here serato.com all Serato DJ controllers are mirrored apart from the SR, SX, SZ and S1... However... The Pioneer controllers don't switch the play and cue buttons when they are mirrored, if I remember correctly.

Still... I love it! I just hope there's feedback being taken and noted for the MK2 model!

I've only owned one Pioneer controller, the DDJ-SX2. Which as you mentioned was not mirrored. I've been able to get use to most of the the changes going with the NS7III & now the MCX8000. However, my little pinky keeps moving that pitch control on the Denon but not on the Numark NS7III.

The pitch on the Numark NS7III is lower than the platter from where I like to hold the platter. On the Denon it's dead even. I'll get use to it though. And yes I'm sure they are definitely looking through feedback for the next model.
acemc 5:39 PM - 9 May, 2016
I took my left pitch fader cap off - problem solved.
Tommyoz 5:40 PM - 9 May, 2016
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I took my left pitch fader cap off - problem solved.


Way to go! Lol
acemc 5:41 PM - 9 May, 2016
Sounds crazy, I know. But it honestly worked.
Try it.
Chino 7:27 PM - 10 May, 2016
Is anyone using SDJ 1.9.1 with the MCx8000 yet? I'm still using SDJ 1.8.2 but I will consider using 1.9.1 if Serato has fixed the bugs and optimized.
s4yjaipau 7:29 PM - 10 May, 2016
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Is anyone using SDJ 1.9.1 with the MCx8000 yet? I'm still using SDJ 1.8.2 but I will consider using 1.9.1 if Serato has fixed the bugs and optimized.


I'm on 1.9.1 and im not having any problems so far
Mr Wilks 7:41 PM - 10 May, 2016
Still on 1.8.1 here but will give it a lil' test this week.
djbigz 7:54 PM - 10 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?
s4yjaipau 8:03 PM - 10 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?



Speaking of distortion, I am only finding this issue when using effects such as echo out. When just playing music, i dont hear any distortion but only when i use echo or echo out.
djbigz 8:22 PM - 10 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?



Speaking of distortion, I am only finding this issue when using effects such as echo out. When just playing music, i dont hear any distortion but only when i use echo or echo out.



I only experienced distortion while using SDJ, never in standalone
Mr Wilks 10:01 PM - 10 May, 2016
The echo out has distortion built in but it's a little too much.

There's a thread somewhere to remove it.
ernie 2:56 PM - 11 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?



Speaking of distortion, I am only finding this issue when using effects such as echo out. When just playing music, i dont hear any distortion but only when i use echo or echo out.



I only experienced distortion while using SDJ, never in standalone


I also experienced but when i adjust the buffer to 5 or 10 the distortion pronlem is gone here's my video
Watchwww.youtube.com
ernie 2:59 PM - 11 May, 2016
I'm on 1.9.1 and been testing it for 5 hours and no distortion or drop out so far
Chino 3:35 PM - 11 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?


@djbigz …The explanation that I received is that the distortion is USB related. There is a limit to the amount of MIDI info("bandwidth") that can be transmitted efficiently via a USB port. The MCx8000 has screens that are dependent on MIDI info provided by the USB port. The screens put additional strain on your computer. That's where the distortion comes from. To combat the distortion the USB latency in SDJ needs to be at 5ms or even 10ms.

I sent Denon a couple of ideas to fix the distortion problem:

1. run MIDI over Ethernet. Ethernet can transmit much more data at faster speeds over longer distances. The MCx8000 already has an Ethernet port so this upgrade could possibly be done via a firmware update.

2. A hardware solution would be to have a future version of MCx8000 have a USB 3.0 port instead. USB 3.0 can carry much more info faster than USB 2.0 ports. There are issues of USB 3.0 stability and reliability but hopefully that will be sorted out in the near future.

3. SDJ and Denon can work together to optimize and streamline the software. SDJ provides CPU/GUI optimizations and Denon could release a firmware update that will help clear the distortion.

There are solutions to fix the distortion problem. It is up to Serato and Denon to do it. Raising the USB latency to 10ms is a temporary fix.
djbigz 5:25 PM - 11 May, 2016
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^^^ I was sent a new replacement controller from Denon. So far, I haven't experienced any distortion with the new controller. What USB buffer size are you using?


I have a new one on the way as well, crazy thing is I only started to have the distortion problem AFTER I updated to the new firmware. Pre-ordered on day one, and never had a problem. Were they able to tell you what the diagnosis was?


@djbigz …The explanation that I received is that the distortion is USB related. There is a limit to the amount of MIDI info("bandwidth") that can be transmitted efficiently via a USB port. The MCx8000 has screens that are dependent on MIDI info provided by the USB port. The screens put additional strain on your computer. That's where the distortion comes from. To combat the distortion the USB latency in SDJ needs to be at 5ms or even 10ms.

I sent Denon a couple of ideas to fix the distortion problem:

1. run MIDI over Ethernet. Ethernet can transmit much more data at faster speeds over longer distances. The MCx8000 already has an Ethernet port so this upgrade could possibly be done via a firmware update.

2. A hardware solution would be to have a future version of MCx8000 have a USB 3.0 port instead. USB 3.0 can carry much more info faster than USB 2.0 ports. There are issues of USB 3.0 stability and reliability but hopefully that will be sorted out in the near future.

3. SDJ and Denon can work together to optimize and streamline the software. SDJ provides CPU/GUI optimizations and Denon could release a firmware update that will help clear the distortion.

There are solutions to fix the distortion problem. It is up to Serato and Denon to do it. Raising the USB latency to 10ms is a temporary fix.


Thx Chino, my replacement just arrived so we'll see.
acemc 8:03 PM - 11 May, 2016
SDJ crashes whenever I plug in a usb or hard drive into the hub on the back on the 8000.
Even if I plug my iPhone - SDJ crashes. My mac see's the iPhone, but it doesn't charge.
Anyone else experiencing this?
Mr Wilks 8:12 PM - 11 May, 2016
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SDJ crashes whenever I plug in a usb or hard drive into the hub on the back on the 8000.
Even if I plug my iPhone - SDJ crashes. My mac see's the iPhone, but it doesn't charge.
Anyone else experiencing this?


It worked for me with a 1TB HDD on Windows but I've not checked on Mac yet.

I'll try it later.
Chino 9:24 PM - 11 May, 2016
I connect a 1TB G-drive into the rear USB port of the MCx8000 without issues. I run SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan).

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (EL Capitan)
Tommyoz 11:18 PM - 11 May, 2016
My replacement unit has been running like a champ. And I've been using it 4 to 5 hours a day for the past 3 weeks. I never had any distortion problems even with the defective one. I haven't had to touch the USB latency settings either. No problems either with the USB hub. I've attached up to 3tb HD drive without issues.

Switching back and forth from PC to standalone mode has been pretty solid. I have noticed that the stop time has to be readjusted every time you switch back and forth though. If you need or want to use it. I started using SDJ 1.9.0 and have recently updated to 1.9.1 still without any issues from what I've been able to test. My Numark NS7III is being sold.

Running on Dual boot Windows 10/Mac - Yosemite, i5 8gb Ram.
acemc 11:44 PM - 11 May, 2016
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I definitely have a problem with the usb hub then.
If I connect an external before I start SDJ, then the 8000 will work but without anything on the screens. It just keeps showing the blue mcx8000 screen.
If connect / disconnect anything while SDJ is running, Serato will either crash or freeze.
If it freezes, the 8000 disconnects & then reconnects to SDJ. 8000 works without screens.
Look like I'm gonna be taking mine back too :(
acemc 11:46 PM - 11 May, 2016
@Tommyoz - Did you update the firmware after u got the replacement?
Tommyoz 12:07 AM - 12 May, 2016
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@Tommyoz - Did you update the firmware after u got the replacement?


Yes I did.
Chino 2:44 AM - 13 May, 2016
I used the MCx8000 at another gig today. It was an afternoon block party. I was worried about how the MCx8000 would react to a couple of hours of direct sunlight. No issues at all!

I do have two suggestions…. the MCx8000 desperately needs the brightness of the CUE buttons to be fixed. It was really hard to see if the CUE buttons were on especially in the daytime. SDJ also needs day mode.
Tommyoz 4:05 AM - 13 May, 2016
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I used the MCx8000 at another gig today. It was an afternoon block party. I was worried about how the MCx8000 would react to a couple of hours of direct sunlight. No issues at all!

I do have two suggestions…. the MCx8000 desperately needs the brightness of the CUE buttons to be fixed. It was really hard to see if the CUE buttons were on especially in the daytime. SDJ also needs day mode.


Agreed on the cue buttons. That must have been brutal in daylight.
Chino 11:10 PM - 16 May, 2016
In case anyone is interested….Denon MCX8000 Custom Skins are now available at
styleflip.com. I'm ordering mine real soon.
djbigz 2:19 AM - 17 May, 2016
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I used the MCx8000 at another gig today. It was an afternoon block party. I was worried about how the MCx8000 would react to a couple of hours of direct sunlight. No issues at all!

I do have two suggestions…. the MCx8000 desperately needs the brightness of the CUE buttons to be fixed. It was really hard to see if the CUE buttons were on especially in the daytime. SDJ also needs day mode.


Played on my replacement 5hrs last Friday night with no problem whatsoever, maybe some of the first batch of controllers were just bad.. Ran my buffer at 2ms and screen refresh at 60 just to test, and no distortion.
Chino 1:47 PM - 17 May, 2016
^^^ Good to hear! I was able to run the MCx8000 at 5ms this past Saturday with no distortion. The future looks bright for Denon. Hopefully Denon will continue support for the Engine software and add direct drive moving platters to a future version of the MCx8000.
acemc 9:56 PM - 17 May, 2016
Those cue led's are driving me crazy!
I can't tell which is on & which is off - I absolutely hate it.
I'm continuously pushing buttons & switching on instead of off & vice-versa.
It's amazing how something so small can be such a huge irritation.
Mr Wilks 10:11 PM - 17 May, 2016
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Those cue led's are driving me crazy!
I can't tell which is on & which is off - I absolutely hate it.
I'm continuously pushing buttons & switching on instead of off & vice-versa.
It's amazing how something so small can be such a huge irritation.


Yup. Agreed.

Even though I've had the unit four weeks now, I still can't work out which one is off and which one is on sometimes.

We need a firmware fix for this as it's really irritating. Oh and the MK2 should stick with one colour across all four cue buttons.
Chino 1:24 AM - 18 May, 2016
^^^ +1 on a firmware fix of the CUE button brightness!! The CUE buttons being one color is a good idea as well.

It's the attention to the small details that will dramatically improve the overall user experience. Denon please fix the CUE button brightness ASAP!!
skinnyguy 6:57 AM - 18 May, 2016
I like the colored cue buttons
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:38 AM - 18 May, 2016
So here is where i stand.

The layout is the biggest complaint and also what is putting me off (had ns7ii and hated the layout)

The fact it seems there is a dodgy batch and in tru in brand music style no recall (see this where Pioneer wins they own up fix units and all is good SX/SZ)

Screen and midi freezing - seen alot more reports of this coming out now.

The dimmness of the leds states of inactive buttons more and more peopel are chiming in to moan about this, which also will annoy me.

Size is also a concern mainly the depth.

Xlr booth - this is an issue because the industry is years away from catching up with this. Yes i can bring an adaptor so not too bad amd one the smallest bad points i have.

But for all these reasons i am going togo with the SX2 i think. Maybe in couple years when Denon make another one they will get it bang on.
Mr Wilks 1:19 PM - 18 May, 2016
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The layout is the biggest complaint and also what is putting me off (had ns7ii and hated the layout)


It's totally subjective and know where you're coming from. Having used Pio gear and going to this it was hard... but... every controller is mirrored out there apart from high end Pioneer (even their budget controllers are mirrored). Vestax, Numark etc are all mirrored. However, I do like a imitation CDJ layout and prefer it.

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The fact it seems there is a dodgy batch and in tru in brand music style no recall (see this where Pioneer wins they own up fix units and all is good SX/SZ)


I think this is just an isolated set of units as I have a low batch number on mine and its' rock solid. Pioneer has had issues with the mic on the SX (only partially fixed with firmware) and the SZ had to have new chips in so any unit is susceptible to error. Out of all the units sold there's been three or four on here with issues of distortion. With the UK policy of returns we'd have a replacement ASAP.

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Screen and midi freezing - seen alot more reports of this coming out now.


Since moving to Mac I've not had one issue. I think it's driver issue on Windows (these are class compliant).

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The dimmness of the leds states of inactive buttons more and more peopel are chiming in to moan about this, which also will annoy me.


This is a little frustrating as the brightness really needs dropping a few notches. I'm sure it could be done in firmware but we'll just have to wait and see when the next revision comes out.

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Size is also a concern mainly the depth.


Depth is within the CDJ/DJM league. If a booth can fir those... you're good to go.

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Xlr booth - this is an issue because the industry is years away from catching up with this. Yes i can bring an adaptor so not too bad amd one the smallest bad points i have.


It's a £3 adaptor per channel. I hate TRS jack when every PA speaker or amp you'll find an XLR on the back. The booths where I am has an XLR cable so it's all good for me but if it's an issue just grab the adaptors for a few quid.

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But for all these reasons i am going togo with the SX2 i think. Maybe in couple years when Denon make another one they will get it bang on.


Definitely go with what you''re comfortable with so the SX makes sense. Even with it's few faults (all subjective really). The SX2 is great but for the extra, I wanted the backup of USB and the screens make a difference. I'll guess Pioneer's next thing will have screens and stand-alone USB functions (like the RX). Even after having this for just under a month now, I still love it more than the Pio unit. It will get better with firmware and the StageLinq will be interesting.

If you wanna stay with the devil you know... Pioneer SX all the way. If you wanna play on one I'm 45 minutes away!
LJ_WOOLSEY 2:42 PM - 18 May, 2016
Ya the SX was fixed by sending it away. After that batch new units had the fix. Which also needed new firmware. But they sorted it.

Yep they may all be mirrored to some degree but I'm just used to cdjs, so this layout suits me better. The screens are a bonus but not needed. USB part not interested in and would never use anyway. If i did use usb id want Rekordbox so wouldn't choose the Denon for that.

Yes mate when i get some time i will come up and bring SX2 and we could maybe do like a review of them both. The rgb and improved mic channel and jog display has made SX better. Just needs the DJM/SZ knobs on as all black and hard see in dark.
Chino 2:07 PM - 19 May, 2016
I noticed an issue with the way Engine 1.5.1 analyzes BPM info. Let's say I have a song that is 75 BPM in SDJ 1.8.2. When I drag the song over, Engine 1.5.1 doubles the BPM. I try to manually input the correct BPM but Engine won't save it. The song reverts back to the doubled BPM. Is there something I need to do to correct this?

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4(EL Capitan)
Chino 3:00 PM - 19 May, 2016
*Update*
Originally I was attempting to manually change the BPM in Engine by highlighting the song with the wrong BPM then typing in the correct BPM in the BPM field. This did NOT work. In order to manually correct a BPM…

1. In Engine 1.5.1 Select and open the USB drive (on left hand side of screen.)
2. Select and open playlist
3. Highlight specific song with incorrect BPM
4. Right click and select File Information
5. Input correct BPM and click on the save icon (on the bottom right of screen).

It's frustrating that I need to go in and manually correct the wrong BPMs but at least it can be fixed and saved. The BPM analyzing in Engine 1.5.1 needs to be improved.
ernie 9:20 PM - 19 May, 2016
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*Update*
Originally I was attempting to manually change the BPM in Engine by highlighting the song with the wrong BPM then typing in the correct BPM in the BPM field. This did NOT work. In order to manually correct a BPM…

1. In Engine 1.5.1 Select and open the USB drive (on left hand side of screen.)
2. Select and open playlist
3. Highlight specific song with incorrect BPM
4. Right click and select File Information
5. Input correct BPM and click on the save icon (on the bottom right of screen).

It's frustrating that I need to go in and manually correct the wrong BPMs but at least it can be fixed and saved. The BPM analyzing in Engine 1.5.1 needs to be improved.


Dissable the auto bpm detection… it will save your bpm from your seratodj crates
ernie 9:21 PM - 19 May, 2016
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*Update*
Originally I was attempting to manually change the BPM in Engine by highlighting the song with the wrong BPM then typing in the correct BPM in the BPM field. This did NOT work. In order to manually correct a BPM…

1. In Engine 1.5.1 Select and open the USB drive (on left hand side of screen.)
2. Select and open playlist
3. Highlight specific song with incorrect BPM
4. Right click and select File Information
5. Input correct BPM and click on the save icon (on the bottom right of screen).

It's frustrating that I need to go in and manually correct the wrong BPMs but at least it can be fixed and saved. The BPM analyzing in Engine 1.5.1 needs to be improved.


Dissable the auto bpm detection… it will save your bpm from your seratodj crates



Analyze BPM OFF on set up menu
Chino 11:36 PM - 19 May, 2016
^^^ Thanks DJ Ernie. I went in and turned off the Auto BPM Analyze function in Engine.
Chino 1:52 PM - 23 May, 2016
I'm testing SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.5 . So far, its running well. SDJ now closes faster than before.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
Mr Wilks 3:30 PM - 28 May, 2016
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@FredrikA...the pads are made of a a silicon rubber. Similar to what the new Rane 57mkII pads feel like only much larger. They are really responsive and have a nice overall feel to them.

*UPDATE* Round 3 of the Denon MCx8000 testing has begun. Let me start of by THANKING Denon in particular Rich Muggle who is part of inBrand's Support team. Rich went above and beyond today to correct the distortion issue I was experiencing. Yes, it is frustrating when an expensive piece of DJ equipment does not work right. What is even more frustrating is that most companies neglect the customer support that is needed after a purchase has already been made.

Today Denon showed me what type of company they are. Their representative, Rich, personally called me to fix the issue. He listened, was knowledgeable and truly demonstrated that Denon cares about their customers. As it turns out, all I needed to do was update the controller's firmware. The new firmware is MCU 2061. I have not experienced any more distortion in the two additional hours of testing that I have done since updating the firmware.

This experience has taught me to appreciate good customer service. I will continue to buy products from companies like Denon, Rane and Serato. It also made me realize that sometimes I may be too critical of Serato. I was quick to blame SDJ when in fact all I needed was a firmware update. I agree that SDJ has some BIG shoes to fill. Scratch Live was and STILL IS an EXCELLENT DJ program. Is there room for improvement in SDJ? Yes, but I do see SDJ maturing into a stable, reliable DJ software program.


Okay... So i've experienced this today for the first time.

I did a gig for 4 hours and all went well. I then packed up and went to a second gig a few miles away and after an hour got distortion at 2ms. I increased to 5ms but after an hour it came back. I increased again to 10ms and it came back again. I had to go to 20ms and at the end of a 5 hour gig it was starting to go again.

I restarted the MCX8000 at the end of the night (as I couldn't while playing) and I could use it again at 2ms. I've been on the latest firmware since I bought it a month ago and this came from nowhere.

I'll try a factory reset and see if this helps as I have two more 7 hour gigs this weekend with it. I'm on 10.11.4 El Cap and nothing has changed in the month I've used it (apart from the install of Live 9 and a Push).

I'm dropping the link to the convo further up for reference serato.com
Cuervo 3:29 AM - 29 May, 2016
Ok, i been waiting for help, i sent an email to Denon DJ like 2 weeks ago and im still waiting. The first cue pad on the right deck is not solid, its like blinking the other 7 pads are ok i notice that only happens with a few colors like red or blue. Anyway i can live with that.
What i dont like and i do not know why is happening when i turn the headphones knob level or the split cue knob they change the channel level volume, or the channel EQ level. This happens every time that i turn the headphones know and even when i use the channel filters knob. I have the 2061 firmware im using a 15" macbook pro with Mavericks.
206 T.Roy 3:44 AM - 29 May, 2016
Can anyone speak to the quality of the Mic Preamps on this unit? One of my biggest complaints with the DDJ-SX is that I have to run it with an additional mixing board in order to have quality microphone sound for speeches, toasts, etc. The mic inputs on the SX would work sometimes, then other times start to distort or fade. This has been really frustrating when I require my mics to sound crisp and clean at all times. Thanks in advance!
acemc 8:17 AM - 30 May, 2016
The sound quality of the mic's on the 8000 is superb.
Far better than the SX/SX2 mic input's which are on the channel faders.
RIDDIMNBLUES 10:18 AM - 30 May, 2016
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The sound quality of the mic's on the 8000 is superb.
Far better than the SX/SX2 mic input's which are on the channel faders.


What about the overall sound quality of the sound card compared to the SX/SX2? ive been told the 8000 have excellent sound quality
acemc 10:22 AM - 30 May, 2016
Drastic improvement over the pio SX/SX2 in sound quality. I could hear a difference at the club between when I played on the cdj2000's and the sx2. Now I can't hear any difference changing between the 2000's & mcx8000
206 T.Roy 10:26 AM - 30 May, 2016
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The sound quality of the mic's on the 8000 is superb.
Far better than the SX/SX2 mic input's which are on the channel faders.


Thank you!
RIDDIMNBLUES 12:00 PM - 30 May, 2016
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Drastic improvement over the pio SX/SX2 in sound quality. I could hear a difference at the club between when I played on the cdj2000's and the sx2. Now I can't hear any difference changing between the 2000's & mcx8000


thanks...to me if this is the case the 8000 is the winner here...always wanted a controller that could sound just as good as my rane 62
RIDDIMNBLUES 12:01 PM - 30 May, 2016
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Drastic improvement over the pio SX/SX2 in sound quality. I could hear a difference at the club between when I played on the cdj2000's and the sx2. Now I can't hear any difference changing between the 2000's & mcx8000


what about the SZ?
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:03 PM - 30 May, 2016
The SX mic is shocking i just got SX2 massive improvement but i will say my NS7ii mic sounded the best out any hardware iv ever used apart from Allen and Heath. So I'm guessing the Denon will be good. And from what i have heard sound quality is better on the denon and the output is louder (more head room)
Chino 5:40 PM - 30 May, 2016
The master and booth outs on the MCx8000 are loud and very clear sounding. The MICs also sound loud and clear

I had a weird issue with the MCx8000 at a gig yesterday. The jog wheels would not allow me to scratch when I hit the PLAY button. The needle drop function only worked occasionally too. I initially thought that I didn't have the VINYL button on but I did. It felt like the unit was stuck in SLIP mode. I tried powering off the controller but that didn't help. I also completely shutdown my computer and restarted. That did't work either. I tried using the controller in standalone mode and the issues where still there. Today I setup the MCx8000 at home and it works again. The only difference is that at home I don't have the MCx8000 hooked up to my DBX powered speaker optimizer. I'm running SDJ 1.8.2 on OSX 10.11.5. I also tried SDJ 1.9.0 at the gig but that didn't correct the issue. Thankfully, I always carry a backup system. Once again Scratch Live saves the day! I will continue testing this week.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
206 T.Roy 6:23 PM - 30 May, 2016
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The jog wheels would not allow me to scratch when I hit the PLAY button. The needle drop function only worked occasionally too


I had an experience like that once with my SX, and tried everything I could to fix the problem. In the end, the location I was playing at was directly situated under power lines with heavy radio tower activity as well. Turns out all of the electromagnetic waves in the air disabled all of the "touch" sensitive elements of my controller. Took it home and it worked perfectly. Just a thought.
Mr Wilks 10:13 PM - 30 May, 2016
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The jog wheels would not allow me to scratch when I hit the PLAY button. The needle drop function only worked occasionally too


I had an experience like that once with my SX, and tried everything I could to fix the problem. In the end, the location I was playing at was directly situated under power lines with heavy radio tower activity as well. Turns out all of the electromagnetic waves in the air disabled all of the "touch" sensitive elements of my controller. Took it home and it worked perfectly. Just a thought.


I'm also used to get this with my SX. Issues like grounding and electromagnetic interference often caused jog wheel glitches. I used to have it stuck in search mode when moving the jiog wheel even those it wasn't selected.

It definitely sounds like the same issue and is a side effect of the capacitive jog wheels. I had it often in various venues with the SX but never at home.
Chino 10:46 PM - 30 May, 2016
^^^@ 206 T.Roy & Mr Wilks…Thanks for the responses. I spoke to a DJ friend of mine and he had the same thing happen with his Pioneer SX controller. He said it was due to a faulty ground in the venue he was at. My gig was inside a park's pavilion. It was an older building so the wiring was probably not grounded well.
DJ gsr 10:56 PM - 30 May, 2016
I have same issue faulty ground according to my monster power conditioner so I have fine a good outlet.
Thanks to my power conditioner.
Mr Wilks 11:50 PM - 30 May, 2016
Yeah. I used to complain in one venue about the grounding as my controller went a bit crazy.

Funny how these things show up when you're not expecting them.
skinnyguy 11:43 AM - 31 May, 2016
chino - i think i had the same issue at a gig recently. was working fine then suddenly wouldn't let me scratch. rebooted computer and controller. nada. adjusted the sensitivity all the way and that helped...i think. unless the situation fixed itself when i did that. when i went into the settings the sensitivity was at -3, i think? so i went max in the other direction....and worked fine. i thought maybe the ac in the room at the time was so cold that it may have affected the wheels.

unless it was a glitch of some sort.
Chino 3:05 PM - 31 May, 2016
I'm doing more outdoor events this summer. Hopefully, I won't experience any more platter issues related to faulty grounds.

Btw, I'm now testing SDJ 1.9.1 on OSX 10.11.5. I keep the pulse locker feature off.



mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
Mr Wilks 4:19 PM - 31 May, 2016
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Btw, I'm now testing SDJ 1.9.1 on OSX 10.11.5. I keep the pulse locker feature off.



mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)


How's the testing going? I'm on 1.9.1 but not tried 10.11.5 yet.
Chino 5:29 PM - 31 May, 2016
^^^ So far so good (fingers crossed). SDJ is closing faster although I still get the occasionally beach ball when I close the program. I had some freezes with SDJ 1.8.2 and OSX 10.11.4 where I couldn't load a track. It happened after I left SDJ 1.8.2 on without any tracks playing for half an hour. The majority of the bugs have been addressed in OSX 10.11.5. I still keep my RANE gear completely off of El Capitan though. I run my RANE equipment on OSX 10.8.5. Controllers seem to work fine with OSX 10.11.5.
Mr Wilks 5:43 PM - 31 May, 2016
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^^^ So far so good (fingers crossed). SDJ is closing faster although I still get the occasionally beach ball when I close the program. I had some freezes with SDJ 1.8.2 and OSX 10.11.4 where I couldn't load a track. It happened after I left SDJ 1.8.2 on without any tracks playing for half an hour. The majority of the bugs have been addressed in OSX 10.11.5. I still keep my RANE gear completely off of El Capitan though. I run my RANE equipment on OSX 10.8.5. Controllers seem to work fine with OSX 10.11.5.


Sounds good. I also get the beachball when closing but it's not too bad it's it's just saving the database etc.

I've been installing an SSD into the SuperDrive bay today so that will make a difference for me.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:38 PM - 31 May, 2016
The beachball hang on exit is a bug since 1.8.0 really fecking annoying for sure. Clicking the screen seems to speed it up.
Chino 7:01 PM - 31 May, 2016
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I've been installing an SSD into the SuperDrive bay today so that will make a difference for me.


That will definitely make a BIG difference. I installed a Samsung 512gb 850 EVO Pro in my 2009 MBP. Overall, programs open and close much faster and run better. I haven't had the chance to update my 2012 MBP yet. I plan on putting a Samsung 1TB 850 EVO Pro in it soon.
Cuervo 7:03 PM - 31 May, 2016
So nobody else is having that issue with the headphones Level knob? I cant touch it because it changes the channel Level, it goes to half the volume or even lower. Everything is up to date except Mavericks, im still with Mavericks because i works perfect with Serato SL.
It is a good idea to update to El Capitan?
DJ JuVi 8:09 PM - 31 May, 2016
@Chino I was already leaning heavily towards the mcx8000, but your thread definitely closed the deal for me. Now I just have to wait for a batch to finally arrive at my country... Thanks for everything, really.
Chino 8:58 PM - 31 May, 2016
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So nobody else is having that issue with the headphones Level knob? I cant touch it because it changes the channel Level, it goes to half the volume or even lower. Everything is up to date except Mavericks, im still with Mavericks because i works perfect with Serato SL.
It is a good idea to update to El Capitan?


Cuervo, I have tested the MCx8000 on OSX 10.8.5, 10.9.5 and I now run 10.11.5 (EL Capitan). I have not experienced the issue your describing. If your planning on using both SDJ and Scratch Live then I would recommend partitioning your hard drive. Try calling Denon support instead of emailing. You may receive a faster response from them that way. If you upgrade to El Capitan and the issue is still there then it may be hardware related.

@ DJ JuVi… glad I was able to help you. If you have any additional questions please post them. There is a really positive group of DJs here that will be happy to help you.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
Cuervo 9:28 PM - 31 May, 2016
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So nobody else is having that issue with the headphones Level knob? I cant touch it because it changes the channel Level, it goes to half the volume or even lower. Everything is up to date except Mavericks, im still with Mavericks because i works perfect with Serato SL.
It is a good idea to update to El Capitan?


Cuervo, I have tested the MCx8000 on OSX 10.8.5, 10.9.5 and I now run 10.11.5 (EL Capitan). I have not experienced the issue your describing. If your planning on using both SDJ and Scratch Live then I would recommend partitioning your hard drive. Try calling Denon support instead of emailing. You may receive a faster response from them that way. If you upgrade to El Capitan and the issue is still there then it may be hardware related.

Thank you Chino, i am going to upgrade to El Capitan, i sold the TTM57SL and i am not using Serato SL anymore, if the update dont fix the problem then i'll call Denon customer service. I hope wont be a hardware problem... oh well!

@ DJ JuVi… glad I was able to help you. If you have any additional questions please post them. There is a really positive group of DJs here that will be happy to help you.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
Cuervo 12:51 AM - 1 June, 2016
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@skinnyguy & dj Krazey Leo… My MCx8000 was part of the first batch of controllers sent out with an earlier firmware. You may already have the firmware version that I updated to. To check to see which version is on your controller:

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until your in the UTILITY menu
2. Scroll down until you see SYSTEM INFORMATION
3. Under SYSTEM INFORMATION you will see Engine Version & MCU Version
4. The latest Engine Version is 0143. The latest MCU Version is 2061.


Hello Everyone,

This is Chris from Denon DJ. Thanks Chino for posting your directions! Everyone, please follow it as it will help you navigate and view your firmware version on the controller.

If your MCX8000 has a firmware version that is below MCU version of 2057, which we find to be highly unlikely, then please contact Denon DJ technical support right away to rectify this - denondj.com.

Any distortion, latency, wave form or platter sensitivity issues can be rectified by reverting your MCX8000 controller back to its Factory Default settings.

To perform this..

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until you're in the UTILITY menu.
2. Scroll down until you see MAINTENANCE SETTINGS.
3. Under FACTORY DEFAULT, push in the SELECT/LOAD knob.
4. Turn the SELECT/LOAD knob until you see OK displayed.
5. Push in the SELECT/LOAD knob to revert your settings back to Factory Default.
6. Push in the VIEW button one time to exit these settings.

For any additional MCX8000 questions and help, review the following guides
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Video Tutorial - Watchwww.youtube.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Frequently Asked Questions - denondj.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com

To contact Denon DJ Support, log onto denondj.com.


Hey Chris, what do you think about this?

Watchwww.youtube.com

Every single time when i turn the headphones level knob, it changes the channel level volume, as you can see in the video i have the latest Denon firmware. The first cue pad on the right hand deck does not light up, i can live with that but the channel level issue is not good, not good. I was using Mavericks with a mid 2013 15" mackbook pro with a 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 with 16 GB memory RAM, today i upgraded to El Capitan 10.11.5 and i got the same issue.
Is this a hardware defect? I know some guys had to send the controller back to the shop... I hope i wont have to do that... Man i miss my old set up, thats for sure.
Chino 2:15 AM - 1 June, 2016
^^^ @ Cuervo…I just watched your video. That definitely should not be happening. Make sure your on the latest firmware. If the problem persists then you may need a hardware replacement. If your in the States then you have a three year warranty as long as you bought the controller from an authorized Denon DJ dealer. You need to register your MCx8000 on the Denon website (denondj.com). Try calling Denon support and have them watch your YouTube video. I had an issue myself so I called Denon support directly. The Denon reps are knowledgeable and very helpful. My faulty controller was replaced under warranty. Good luck!
Chino 2:21 AM - 1 June, 2016
Btw, the # for Denon DJ support in the U.S. is 401 658 5766.
Cuervo 7:33 AM - 1 June, 2016
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Btw, the # for Denon DJ support in the U.S. is 401 658 5766.

Thank you Chino, I'm going to call today I live in Michigan, everything is update so I need to call Denon right away.
Mr Wilks 11:04 AM - 1 June, 2016
If you've not tried it already, government it a factory reset too. I tried that recently after it glitched out and it fixed it.

Then again, you'll need it replaced due to that cue point light anyway!
Cuervo 12:03 PM - 1 June, 2016
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If you've not tried it already, government it a factory reset too. I tried that recently after it glitched out and it fixed it.

Then again, you'll need it replaced due to that cue point light anyway!

I tried that already but thanks anyway.
ill call Denon when I get out from work.
Mr Wilks 7:36 PM - 1 June, 2016
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If you've not tried it already, government it a factory reset too. I tried that recently after it glitched out and it fixed it.

Then again, you'll need it replaced due to that cue point light anyway!

I tried that already but thanks anyway.
ill call Denon when I get out from work.


Hahaha!

Government? I need to check my auto correct lol
Cuervo 12:50 AM - 4 June, 2016
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^^^ @ Cuervo…I just watched your video. That definitely should not be happening. Make sure your on the latest firmware. If the problem persists then you may need a hardware replacement. If your in the States then you have a three year warranty as long as you bought the controller from an authorized Denon DJ dealer. You need to register your MCx8000 on the Denon website (denondj.com). Try calling Denon support and have them watch your YouTube video. I had an issue myself so I called Denon support directly. The Denon reps are knowledgeable and very helpful. My faulty controller was replaced under warranty. Good luck!


Chino i cant call Denon because i am getting out late from work, tbh i need to take a day off to talk with the Denon people. Do you think if i take the controller back to guitar center they send it back to Denon or do i need to talk with Denon first?
Tomorrow if i have free time i'll go to guitar center or sunday to see what can i do.
I had to borrow a Rane 62 for a gig tonight and i have some events coming so i need a reliable controller or a mixer.
Ragman 1:20 AM - 4 June, 2016
Cuervo try GC first this weekend and see if they will swap you out for another MCX8000. They have a 30 day warranty in store. So hopefully you haven't exceeded that.
Ragman 1:23 AM - 4 June, 2016
If you're still within the 30 day warranty for GC, you might should think about getting the Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Just always remember with GC if you don't like the hardware, you can return within the 30 day period.
Cuervo 1:33 AM - 4 June, 2016
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If you're still within the 30 day warranty for GC, you might should think about getting the Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Just always remember with GC if you don't like the hardware, you can return within the 30 day period.

Thanks Chino, i don't like the SX but the S9 is awesome, I used the TTM57 and two Technics 1210M5G and tbh there's a big difference using a controller, you have all in one place but you loose the feeling, the traction. I sold my set up but I still have half of my vinyl collection.
Ragman 5:24 AM - 4 June, 2016
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If you're still within the 30 day warranty for GC, you might should think about getting the Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Just always remember with GC if you don't like the hardware, you can return within the 30 day period.

Thanks Chino, i don't like the SX but the S9 is awesome, I used the TTM57 and two Technics 1210M5G and tbh there's a big difference using a controller, you have all in one place but you loose the feeling, the traction. I sold my set up but I still have half of my vinyl collection.

Yes I understand. I come from t/t's as well so I feel the same as you. The only thing I've found that comes close to that feeling is the NS7 series. I have the NS7 & the NS7III for that reason. Those controllers are the closest to giving you that tactile feel of moving platters with torque. But you lose some of the portability of smaller and/or lighter weight controllers.
Chino 2:42 PM - 4 June, 2016
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hino i cant call Denon because i am getting out late from work, tbh i need to take a day off to talk with the Denon people. Do you think if i take the controller back to guitar center they send it back to Denon or do i need to talk with Denon first?
Tomorrow if i have free time i'll go to guitar center or sunday to see what can i do.
I had to borrow a Rane 62 for a gig tonight and i have some events coming so i need a reliable controller or a mixer.


Cuervo, If your within the 30 day return policy for GC then definitely return it and get a new replacement controller. It will be faster that way. If not then call Denon support when you have a chance. I used my MCx8000 at a gig yesterday and it worked really well. It is definitely a very versatile controller. I ran in standalone mode the last hour of the gig.

I started DJing from vinyl too. There is definitely a difference in the feel of a controller Vs Technics 1200s(vinyl). That's why I hope Denon will make a MCx8000 MKII with direct drive moving platters. I like using controllers for mobile events like weddings, mitzvahs etc. BUT I still keep a pair of 1200s and Denon 3900s in my studio.
Chino 7:33 PM - 6 June, 2016
Has anyone tried connecting an iPAD directly into the USB 1 or USB 2 ports of the MCx8000? I may buy an iPad Pro to use specifically with the MCx8000. For multi-format gigs (like weddings, quinceaneras, mitzvahs, etc.) it would be easier to search for music on an iPad.
Mr Wilks 8:17 PM - 6 June, 2016
I haven't. I have one but have no music on it.

It would be great if the engine software for iPad was updated so it worked with the MCX.

If only (I know you're reading this Denon!).
HETTO 6:55 AM - 7 June, 2016
Hi everybody,
I'm new to this forum and new to Serato, because of the MCX purchase. So - Hello.
Thanks for this extensive thread, I've been scanning this regularly. Lot's of good info. And concerns too, but I must say I've been really lucky with my MCX.
First:
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Has anyone tried connecting an iPAD directly into the USB 1 or USB 2 ports of the MCx8000? I may buy an iPad Pro to use specifically with the MCx8000. For multi-format gigs (like weddings, quinceaneras, mitzvahs, etc.) it would be easier to search for music on an iPad.

Hi Chino. Believe it or not but this was a must for me. And the MCX finally was/is the piece of equipment that allows me to go whatever way I want (TT/CDJ, Serato, USB, IPad) and the experience and feel of operating it is just 'real'. (I tried à couple of smaller, cheaper controllers, but coming from TT and CDJ's that never cut it for me).

Anyway. Yes. I have the iPad hooked to the USB port of the MCX and I even have a small add-on controller hooked to the other USB port as well, which is seen by the iPad (app).
I have the feeling I shouldn't be shouting the name of the app on here? I don't want to cause trouble, I'm not against anything either.. This week I'm coming out with a seriously cool midi map for this app. (If you search for hetto vennik on YouTube you can see my DVS and hybrid setups I've had until now with the MCX).

RE: all the trouble and stuff going on with the MCX:
- I have had no distortions. I purchased mine 24th of April and immediately went to 2061 and Engine 1.5.1. Both were just out..
Not any 'real' trouble, to be honest. Practically everything from my list could be fixed:
- I agree on the cue (not pressed) brightness
- Using the prep list (engine) is buggy
- Engine needs to be updated and/or better bpm/sync interaction with the MCX. Really..
- I had massive trouble with analyzing and setting cue points in Serato and importing that in Engine. Many useless attempts. Stumbled on the 'how to' and thought "oh man, I've been doing it wrong!" But still no luck.
After contacting Denon support (contacted more than once andI did report my whole list)
I figured it out myself, it was something I suspected;
I can't import the analyzed+cue points files if they are aiff !! 99% of my collection is aiff.
Yesterday I tried an MP3 and an aiff and only the MP3 was successfully imported.
So, I told support..

Anyway. Thnx for this long and informative thread, and now (as usual) I've given a long answer. Lol.
Just starting to get to know Serato too.
HETTO 8:26 AM - 7 June, 2016
Oh, and about the cue Led's:
it's not easy to convince the support tech of the importance of changing it.
Plus i was told it's not easy to to fix/change, unfortunately. I don't know how close to 'impossible' that is, though.
He mentioned ppl were complaining about the Led's on an older Denon mixer in the past, saying the Led's were way to dimmed in the (not pressed) state (come to think of it now.. maybe there's a misunderstanding about "on vs off" there - right?)
So, at the least it's very important that everyone who want it changed reports it to support.

I also had 2 gigs in (half) sunlight and it was terrible - takes a lot of time and distraction for something normally simple and auto-pilot. And without sun, its bad enough already.
HETTO 10:45 AM - 7 June, 2016
Oh, and Chino one more thing RE:

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Has anyone tried connecting an iPAD directly into the USB 1 or USB 2 ports of the MCx8000? I may buy an iPad Pro to use specifically with the MCx8000. For multi-format gigs (like weddings, quinceaneras, mitzvahs, etc.) it would be easier to search for music on an iPad.


While using the DJPP app, you have (of coarse) full control over levels and everything imaginable.
But 2 weeks ago, for the first time i tried hooking up the ipad to the MCX without it - to play chill-out music from the web, two hours before the party started.
In this way the only control you have over the ipad/music = the master fader.
Didn't like that!
Mr Wilks 10:51 AM - 7 June, 2016
So it's does streaming audio? Hmmm. Interesting!
HETTO 11:02 AM - 7 June, 2016
Sorry, what does? In this case i was just on Safari.
Normally i play offline/dwnlded tracks only from the ipad.
But the app i use does allow streaming from Deezer (premium account) and can make use of dropbox and itunes match.
But again, i've only really used offline tracks that are on the ipad..
(don't know if you've read all my posts above, you could also check 'hetto vennik' on youtube,
i have 2 (crappy) vids of the MCX setup if you like to know more)
Grtz
acemc 11:53 AM - 7 June, 2016
Hetto, just to confirm.
Are u connecting the iPad to the TOP USB 1 & 2 ports??
I think this is what Chino is referring to, however it sounds to me like ur talking about controlling software on an iPad using the 8000 as a controller.
acemc 11:58 AM - 7 June, 2016
Actually, come to think of it. If the 8000 was capable of playing music from the iPad in that way, it'd probably only see the iPad as a usb stick anyway. So track searching. Would still be done on the 8000.
HETTO 11:59 AM - 7 June, 2016
Oh damn - you are right! I never even thought about trying THAT.
Quite sure this won't work though.
Yes i use the MCX as sound card/controller with or without 2 ch USB.
Funny.. Absolutely never thought about the top USB slots.
Sorry for any confusion guys!
HETTO 12:14 PM - 7 June, 2016
Ok, so i just tested that - ipad lightning-USB in USB slot 1 (top panel).
Nothing.
Audio comes from the ipad speakers, USB 1 red dot doesn't light up.
I did get a message on the ipad: "allow this device to access photos and videos?"
Nothing else.
(of coarse you can do this scenario with a HP out - cinch cable, but i have absolutely no doubt you guys know this ;-) )

So, no. And i must say it felt a bit 'wrong' plugging it ion this way - wouldn't want to fry either side of the lightning-USB cable. No idea if that's even possible btw..
HETTO 12:41 PM - 7 June, 2016
Can we not 'edit' posts on this forum?
i wanted to edit my first post saying at the top that i got on the question wrong;
i now read 'USB 1 and 2' as what they are - the top ones. I first read it thinking Chino was just calling the backside usb ports 1 and 2.
So again, sorry for the confusion and thanks for chiming in Acemc before this has gone (more) downhill...
Grtz
acemc 12:56 PM - 7 June, 2016
No problem Hetto.
Like I said, if it was capable of reading the idevice, browsing & selection would still probably have to be done on the 8000 anyway. So no real benefit doing that way
HETTO 1:59 PM - 7 June, 2016
Yeah, would be the same as a normal stick/drive that way.
Regarding USB 1&2 - i was already happy to find i can plug in one of my external HD's,
a 640GB one. I suppose the difference with the ones that don't work is that this one is Flash?
So for the 2 latest gigs i had my (Deep and Tech) House on a stick in USB1, and lot's of 80's 90's music from the HD in USB2. Good!
Chino 4:27 PM - 7 June, 2016
^^^ Thanks Hetto & AceMC for checking that out. It was just a thought. I was hoping that I could put a bunch of music on a iPad and search songs using the internal touch keyboard. I have a Sandisk 128GB Ultrafit 3.0 flash drive in the USB 1 port now. It works well. I DJ a lot of open format events that require me to play multiple music genres. A wireless keyboard or an IPad would be very helpful for music searches in general. Maybe a future version of the MCx8000 can include a keyboard on the screens or the ability to plug in a keyboard.
HETTO 6:09 PM - 7 June, 2016
Cool.
Yeah, I get that.
And you would think that wouldn't be so hard to implement with the hub and the Ethernet port etc..
Another thought springs to mind - I downloaded the Engine app on my iPad but haven't used it yet.
could the app not be made useful for this? Although I don't see how the app should see your stick without wifi/Bluetooth on the MCX?
I know the app hasn't been updated for a long time.
I see the 'connect ID' screen, and close the app. Lol. Don't know what to do with it yet.
Mr Wilks 7:10 PM - 7 June, 2016
I think the iPad Engine app was designed for the 3900 CD players but really want to see this updated so it works with the MCX.

It would be great if they did! Come on Denon... I know you're all reading this!
HETTO 7:19 PM - 7 June, 2016
..makes sense after the MCX and Engine 1.5 releases!
Chino 7:31 PM - 7 June, 2016
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I think the iPad Engine app was designed for the 3900 CD players but really want to see this updated so it works with the MCX.


I would also like the iPad Engine App improved so it can be used with the MCx8000. Any additional improvements to the music search function would be great. The standalone USB mode is excellent for small 2-3 hour events that don't require searching through a large music library.
Chino 7:41 PM - 7 June, 2016
Btw, bluetooth on a MKII version of the MCx8000 would be cool too. I could connect an IPad that way or even a wireless bluetooth PA system. That would make set up easier for outdoor events like block parties and wedding ceremonies.
Cuervo 8:05 PM - 7 June, 2016
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hino i cant call Denon because i am getting out late from work, tbh i need to take a day off to talk with the Denon people. Do you think if i take the controller back to guitar center they send it back to Denon or do i need to talk with Denon first?
Tomorrow if i have free time i'll go to guitar center or sunday to see what can i do.
I had to borrow a Rane 62 for a gig tonight and i have some events coming so i need a reliable controller or a mixer.


Cuervo, If your within the 30 day return policy for GC then definitely return it and get a new replacement controller. It will be faster that way. If not then call Denon support when you have a chance. I used my MCx8000 at a gig yesterday and it worked really well. It is definitely a very versatile controller. I ran in standalone mode the last hour of the gig.


I started DJing from vinyl too. There is definitely a difference in the feel of a controller Vs Technics 1200s(vinyl). That's why I hope Denon will make a MCx8000 MKII with direct drive moving platters. I like using controllers for mobile events like weddings, mitzvahs etc. BUT I still keep a pair of 1200s and Denon 3900s in my studio.


Chino Denon sent me this yesterdad:


Thank you for contacting us.

We are currently experiencing an unusually high number of inquiries volume, and would like to apologize for the delayed response.

It is important to us to help you get up and running with your new product.

If your inquiry has not yet been resolved, please reply to this email with to let us know. You can also contact our support line directly at 401-658-3131, 8:30am to 6:30pm Mo-Fr (not including weekends or holidays).

It seems i am not the only one with the volume issue, the guy at Guitar Center told me that the TTM57 MK II has a similar issue for over a year, i hope Denon fix this soon.
Chino 8:15 PM - 7 June, 2016
^^^ I would just call Denon support directly. Denon support was able to resolve my issue by sending me a new replacement controller. IMHO Denon support works best when a customer calls instead of emailing.
Cuervo 8:21 PM - 7 June, 2016
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^^^ I would just call Denon support directly. Denon support was able to resolve my issue by sending me a new replacement controller. IMHO Denon support works best when a customer calls instead of emailing.


Ok, i am going to do that, i cant wait to use this monster in a gig.
GusGomez 1:51 PM - 13 June, 2016
I just got mine and it's pretty nice definitely a great unit my complaints a on/off Led's are confusing the other issue I don't like is that if I activate and effect (echo out) I can still hear the music on the headphones that leaves a lot of room for error if you forget to turn the effect off. It's surprising because the the NS7ii and NS7iii do not work that way.
Mr Wilks 2:17 PM - 13 June, 2016
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I just got mine and it's pretty nice definitely a great unit my complaints a on/off Led's are confusing the other issue I don't like is that if I activate and effect (echo out) I can still hear the music on the headphones that leaves a lot of room for error if you forget to turn the effect off. It's surprising because the the NS7ii and NS7iii do not work that way.


Interstitial as the SX does this with FX. I think it's the way the audio is routed in Serato.

The LEDs on the cue buttons are a killer. It's just crazy this passed QC.
Mr Wilks 2:22 PM - 13 June, 2016
**interesting
GusGomez 2:37 PM - 13 June, 2016
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I just got mine and it's pretty nice definitely a great unit my complaints a on/off Led's are confusing the other issue I don't like is that if I activate and effect (echo out) I can still hear the music on the headphones that leaves a lot of room for error if you forget to turn the effect off. It's surprising because the the NS7ii and NS7iii do not work that way.


Interstitial as the SX does this with FX. I think it's the way the audio is routed in Serato.

The LEDs on the cue buttons are a killer. It's just crazy this passed QC.

It's frustrating that companies don't think of how big of a difference those little things make.
Mr Wilks 2:50 PM - 13 June, 2016
Yeah. I just hope LED brightness can be changed or they really shot themselves in the foot with that.

I've had it two months now and still don't know if they are on or off.
akakak 2:51 PM - 13 June, 2016
+1 for the ridiculously bright LEDs
acemc 2:54 PM - 13 June, 2016
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if I activate and effect (echo out) I can still hear the music on the headphones that leaves a lot of room for error if you forget to turn the effect off

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
And......... in Engine mode the effect is completely killed when using x-fader!!
Chino 3:07 PM - 13 June, 2016
Hopefully, the CUE buttons brightness will be able to be changed in the next firmware version. We can also petition Denon directly to make the necessary changes.
akakak 3:11 PM - 13 June, 2016
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Hopefully, the CUE buttons brightness will be able to be changed in the next firmware version.


No one has confirmed that that is even possible.
acemc 3:22 PM - 13 June, 2016
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No one has confirmed that that is even possible.

This is true, It could actually be a manufacture fault, where the wrong led's were used.
Normally the hardware has 2 separate led's that differ in brightness (lumens).
So even though it seems like it's only one led going brighter & dimmer,
it's actually two, 1 switching off (brighter) & another switching on (dimmer) & vice-versa.
That's why you only have 2 midi states for most led's on controller's (0=off, 127=on).
Let's hold thumbs that this isn't the case here!!!
Mr Wilks 3:22 PM - 13 June, 2016
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Hopefully, the CUE buttons brightness will be able to be changed in the next firmware version.


No one has confirmed that that is even possible.


True, but I've not really heard anything from them at all since the initial batches got released.

LED brightness can be changed on a lot of controllers via MIDI and/or firmware but they've not said anything about whether or not the MXC8000 cue buttons are included in this. They could just be a fixed state.

There has to be some control in firmware as something has to tell the state to be 'dim' or they would just turn off like a standard switched light.

I'm going to guess the dim state is set to 50% where is should be no higher than 10%. They should have a soft glow in the dark so there has to be something telling it to be at the dim state it's at.

Unless there's something other than firmware keeping them at 50%? If there's a resistor involved then we're screwed.
akakak 3:24 PM - 13 June, 2016
As acemc says, you don't know if they're dimming the LED or there's two LEDs. We won't know until someone from Denon pipes up.
Mr Wilks 3:32 PM - 13 June, 2016
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As acemc says, you don't know if they're dimming the LED or there's two LEDs. We won't know until someone from Denon pipes up.


Exactly. But they've been rather quiet recently so let's just hope there's a few things being worked on in firmware as we speak.

I'm going to guess there will be one coming soon as the StageLinq port will be getting its software to run video and lights so let's hope there's tweaks to the existing setup in the form of improvements.
Mr Wilks 3:34 PM - 13 June, 2016
I just realised we posted at the same time... Similar things!
Mr Wilks 3:50 PM - 13 June, 2016
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No one has confirmed that that is even possible.

This is true, It could actually be a manufacture fault, where the wrong led's were used.
Normally the hardware has 2 separate led's that differ in brightness (lumens).
So even though it seems like it's only one led going brighter & dimmer,
it's actually two, 1 switching off (brighter) & another switching on (dimmer) & vice-versa.
That's why you only have 2 midi states for most led's on controller's (0=off, 127=on).
Let's hold thumbs that this isn't the case here!!!


I don't know if they'd admit if it was a manufacturing fault as there's no showstopping performance issues as such. I think they'd go with a "It's meant to be like that to see if the sunshine" positive spin.
The only controller I can remember being recalled from memory was the SZ but that was the performance on the jog wheels. The SX really got away with a modified firmware to get around the mic issue but that was still faulty hardware. Pio kinda fudged it and managed to cover the mic resistance issues but it was a close one and only improved it, not cured it.

When the final prototypes went to Denon so they can check they are happy with them, did anyone say "these lights are a bit bright seeing as they are meant to be off". Did anyone test them for a few weeks in a club environment? I think if they had they'd have come across a few design quirks that don't lend themselves to muscle memory very well.

Having a play, sync and loop and shift buttons on different sides while keeping the screen and pad modes the same sends me crazy.

Pressing shift then going to a secondary option around the screens is different per side. Also the sync and loop buttons are swapped. I keep exiting the loop on one deck instead syncing.
Commonly used buttons really should be the same both sides. I suppose many may like that the buttons are moved about depending if tour playing a song on deck A or deck B but I like uniformity. I like to not have to concentrate on what I'm pressing and put that energy into a performance rather than be aware of buttons locations as they've changed since I've started up the last song.
Chino 4:07 PM - 13 June, 2016
Since SDJ now has the ability to be MIDI mapped, I decided to try to remap the CUE buttons to be completely OFF when not pressed and completely ON when pressed on. It didn't work. I also called Denon support today to see if they knew a way to MIDI map the controller so the CUE buttons could function that way. The Denon rep I spoke to didn't know if it could be done or not. Apparently, Denon is aware of the situation with the CUE buttons BUT there is no ETA as to when a firmware fix will be available. From what I gathered from the Denon Rep, a firmware fix is possible but "he doesn't know when or if a firmware fix will become available". The Denon Rep stressed the need for patience.

MY recommendation is that if enough Denon customers make A LOT of noise to urge Denon to make the necessary changes then perhaps Denon will do so.
acemc 4:40 PM - 13 June, 2016
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From what I gathered from the Denon Rep, a firmware fix is possible

Great news!!
Thanks Chino.
HETTO 9:08 PM - 13 June, 2016
Yeah, about the CUE Leds - i mentioned in a post above support told me it would be hard to change, exact words are:
"Unfortunately the brightness of the LED’s are not something which can be easily adjusted and I think is a matter of preference."
And then a part about users of an older Denon mixer that asked for a brighter-dimmed state..

So that does not sound as impossible! I hope everyone requests this, as i only see people agreeing on this online.
acemc 9:09 PM - 13 June, 2016
Where to request it though?
HETTO 9:15 PM - 13 June, 2016
I opened a ticked and mailed Denon support - Not the way to go, you think?
(i had about 5 things in the ticked and eventually 6)

Maybe Chino's idea to petition is a good one? I'd want to put my vote, but how do we achieve this?
acemc 9:23 PM - 13 June, 2016
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I decided to try to remap the CUE buttons to be completely OFF when not pressed and completely ON when pressed on. It didn't work

This just proves that there is two different led's for the on & off state.
Serato is only switching one led on & off. The other (dimmer led) is constantly staying on!!
We need to find out the midi value for those secondary led's, then we could modify the XML to switch off those led's.
HETTO 9:36 PM - 13 June, 2016
^ makes sense.
It's not in the midi legend, I'm quite sure.
I suppose you guys know there's a downloadable midi legend for a while?
I asked for one when there wasn't one around yet,
It's put on the 'my products' page now as well.

(Btw: At first, I was thinking this part of the MCX might not be mappable at all - like quite some other parts as que/mix ratio, headphone volume and of coarse the mic. stuff etc
Which makes sense for those buttons/knobs to me, because it's a standalone mixer as well).
acemc 9:46 PM - 13 June, 2016
If u look at the midi list Denon provided, you'll notice there are quite a few number jumps between certain buttons on the same channels. Eg decks & mixer are ch's 1,2,3,4. Pfl button number is 27 which obviously controls the bright pfl led. There is no number 26,28 or 29. Any one of those could possibly control the dimmer pfl led. I'm gonna try play with midi ox & see what I can figure out.
Mr Wilks 9:47 PM - 13 June, 2016
I has a look at the MIDI legend when they put it up to see this exact reason. Shame but it's just for the basic controls.
HETTO 9:52 PM - 13 June, 2016
Yeah, many unused numbers on a silly amount of midi channels! ;-)
Chino 11:03 PM - 13 June, 2016
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Yeah, many unused numbers on a silly amount of midi channels! ;-)


I think Denon is reserving some of the MIDI channels for the upcoming Stagelinc protocol. I was able to MIDI map SDJ to have the CUE button turn brighter(as if it is pressed on) but I could not completely turn the CUE lights off. I do believe there are two separate LED lights for the CUE buttons. No matter what I tried, the CUE buttons remained lit.
HETTO 12:19 PM - 14 June, 2016
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I think Denon is reserving some of the MIDI channels for the upcoming Stagelinc protocol. I was able to MIDI map SDJ to have the CUE button turn brighter(as if it is pressed on) but I could not completely turn the CUE lights off. I do believe there are two separate LED lights for the CUE buttons. No matter what I tried, the CUE buttons remained lit.


Yeah, Stagelinq makes sense there. Yes, must be two leds (i mapped the cue led's as well and get the same results)
the next question is if we can access it. Maybe not, and maybe that's the reason why it isn't an easy fix for Denon!?
skinnyguy 4:45 PM - 14 June, 2016
What I'd really like, and is most likely impossible, is to change the echo buttons into mic on/off switches, and the on/off switch into an echo button that affects both mics simultaneously.
acemc 4:49 PM - 14 June, 2016
I'm unable to map any of the 'mode' buttons of the 8000.
I checked and the mode buttons do actually send midi data, so this could be a Serato bug / limitation. Another interesting thing is that there are other buttons that dim in the default mapping, but only switch on & off if I manually map them. This seems to suggest that there are actually some led's that have a fully on, off & dim state too.
A combination of limited midi functionality from Serato and incomplete midi data supplied to us from Denon leaves us in a situation where we can't even solve problems for ourselves.
After the dropping large cash on this controller, we're still at the mercy of Serato & Denon!!
DJ JuVi 5:39 PM - 14 June, 2016
It just amazes me that they still do that "never-perfect trick". We finally get (what i believe to be) the controller we've all been waiting for, just to find this little thing that no dj would have over-looked if been consulted with.
Instead of giving us that perfect unit, they'll release a better one, called mcx10000 (..) next year.
Me as a customer, maybe I should stick to my 3900 (the perfect unit in its category, no doubt) and wait the usual 3 mcx generations like i should've done in the past (dns-4500, and so on).
Not adding anything to the discussion lol, just really don't like denon's silence so far. Hope they'll fix it tho.
HETTO 6:15 PM - 14 June, 2016
First I want to say 2 things:
- I still love my MCX and I'm not leaving it, even with the Christmas tree dimmed cue led's. ;-)
- this exact thread here is the most informative one about the MCX on the whole interwebz,
Afaik. Really good.


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I'm unable to map any of the 'mode' buttons of the 8000.
I checked and the mode buttons do actually send midi data, so this could be a Serato bug / limitation. Another interesting thing is that there are other buttons that dim in the default mapping, but only switch on & off if I manually map them. This seems to suggest that there are actually some led's that have a fully on, off & dim state too.
A combination of limited midi functionality from Serato and incomplete midi data supplied to us from Denon leaves us in a situation where we can't even solve problems for ourselves.
After the dropping large cash on this controller, we're still at the mercy of Serato & Denon!!


- about the modes: this seems to be a specific trick and could be hard to do, depending on the software support/implementation. I didn't map in Serato, but I know from MIXXX that you'd have to it in a java script because the pads send the same midi messages in all modes.
I mapped the modes in my iOS app, but it was easy for me since the developer listened and implemented pad modes.
Of course since it all works in Serato already, you should be able to replicate or map it yourself, unless they kept it 'under the hood', maybe with a difficult Java kind of approach?

- about the led's - true. And it's remarkable too that in 'no mapping' state, all those led's are really dimmed - exept for the que ones, these are brighter already!
Once you map the others, then they become on or off, instead of dimmed, I noticed.
HETTO 6:19 PM - 14 June, 2016
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What I'd really like, and is most likely impossible, is to change the echo buttons into mic on/off switches, and the on/off switch into an echo button that affects both mics simultaneously.


Would make more sense, but these buttons for sure aren't midi mappable and that would likely be because of the (fixed) internal hardware routing.
Chino 6:28 PM - 14 June, 2016
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about the led's - true. And it's remarkable too that in 'no mapping' state, all those led's are really dimmed - exept for the que ones, these are brighter already!
Once you map the others, then they become on or off, instead of dimmed, I noticed.


I was hoping that we could just change the MIDI mapping for the CUE button brightness ourselves but apparently it's not possible.

Denon (if your listening) we NEED a firmware fix for the CUE button brightness ASAP!!! Since we are on the topic of improvements… Engine needs some love too!
acemc 6:40 PM - 14 June, 2016
I also still love the 8000. If only serato & denon would play open cards with us, we could very possibly sort our own problems, instead of us wishing on a star that maybe someday they'll assist.
DenonNewbie 7:08 AM - 16 June, 2016
Hi everyone , 2 weeks ago I got this amazing Denon controller, but when I opened, I found out 1 huge and deep scratch in the back of the controller, plus it looked like it was packaged in a rush, so I went back to GC! And they did exchanged for another one. So the second unit I did updated to latest firmware, and seems like it's working fine, I did got a couple of screen freezes while using SDJ, but it went away after changing the USB port in my pc, a W10. Now after following this discussion, I'm wondering if a got the first batch, that can maybe give me issues in the future ? I'm still 2 weeks away from the 30 days deadline, I just been really busy, to tested for long enough. So my question to you gentlemens, is: is there anything that I should be looking out in the unit before I meet the deadline at GC? I'm just worry that I gonna get stuck with a unit that maybe will be defectous from the beginning . (Since I'm asuming it's the first batch) the guy at GC told me that he wasn't sure if this was part of the first order that they got, he just knew that they have been sitting there for over a month . I bought it on June 30th. And have a Lenovo y50 Windows 10 , SDJ. Thank you all and sorry if is a silly question. But wanted to be informed before time goes by. Thank you in advance.
akakak 7:15 AM - 16 June, 2016
If it's faulty it will be covered under warranty for at least a year so I wouldn't worry.
Mr Wilks 8:00 AM - 16 June, 2016
In the UK they come out 4 weeks later than other places like the states and Australia yet my batch number was lower than some of the first ones shipped.

Other than some free screen freezes on Windows 10 when I first got it it's been issue free. I've never had a problem under Mac in the month I've used it with it. Not so much as a stutter.

I did get the distortion over time issue but a factory reset cured that and it never came back.

Don't worry. It's a great controller with a few design quirks but you'll see past it. It's great fun to use and is the best controller out there.
bru la fu 11:04 AM - 16 June, 2016
Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce
Mr Wilks 5:38 PM - 16 June, 2016
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Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce


I've only ever has that once and it was with Serato. Give it a factory reset and see how it goes.

Strangely it happened weeks after getting it too. Glad to see you're enjoying it. I love it still.
ernie 7:18 PM - 16 June, 2016
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Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce


I've only ever has that once and it was with Serato. Give it a factory reset and see how it goes.

Strangely it happened weeks after getting it too. Glad to see you're enjoying it. I love it still.


Try to adjust the Audio latency to 10
Mr Wilks 7:21 PM - 16 June, 2016
It could work for him but in my issue it crept back in again after half an hour. I raised it again and after half an hour it came back so again I went up until it was at maximum and it was just creeping in towards the end of the 5 hour gig.
bru la fu 7:59 PM - 16 June, 2016
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Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce


I've only ever has that once and it was with Serato. Give it a factory reset and see how it goes.

Strangely it happened weeks after getting it too. Glad to see you're enjoying it. I love it still.


Cheers, I'll try that tonight.

I also see that some Macs have usb issues, so I'll have a play with it.

I'll report back my findings. Thanks again :)
Mr Wilks 8:31 PM - 16 June, 2016
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Hey everyone, I'm just catching up with this thread as I received my mcx8000 a couple of weeks ago and used it at a wedding in Saturday night.

I love the machine, I just had one issue at the got and that was after 5 hours where the music started to get choppy and then grind to a halt.

I'm presuming this is the similar issue that some other guys had. I initially thought it was the speakers but I was able to use the mic no problem and could hear the distortion coming through the headphones when cueing the track.

I'll do a factory reset and see what happens. Is there anything else I should be doing (im in the UK too)

Cheers

Bruce


I've only ever has that once and it was with Serato. Give it a factory reset and see how it goes.

Strangely it happened weeks after getting it too. Glad to see you're enjoying it. I love it still.


Cheers, I'll try that tonight.

I also see that some Macs have usb issues, so I'll have a play with it.

I'll report back my findings. Thanks again :)


I've not had any issues with a 2012 Mac but Windows I has issues. I think it's driver related.
djrobmac1 10:09 PM - 16 June, 2016
Was so excited to buy this controller at launch and put my trust back into Denon after all these years. All started off so well but to be honest the lack in any firmware update to address the issues that have been mentioned in this thread time and time again is quite frankly disappointing.

Denon?
Mr Wilks 10:20 PM - 16 June, 2016
Honestly, it's still a great controller.

Looking at previous firmware releases they come every two months so there will be another one.

The cue lighting may not be fixed with firmware so who know? It's still a great controller though.
bru la fu 11:35 PM - 16 June, 2016
Yeah, Played with it for over 90 minutes tonight and recorded it all...No issues at all.

Im used to the mirroring, Im getting used to the cue lights (lol), its a real solid piece of kit.

Kinda wish they would open up channels 3&4 for VSL (currently on 1&2 work) so I could use 1 & 2 for engine, not a major hassle though.
Mr Wilks 12:21 AM - 17 June, 2016
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Kinda wish they would open up channels 3&4 for VSL (currently on 1&2 work) so I could use 1 & 2 for engine, not a major hassle though.


This would be great. We just need to nag Serato on that.

The rest is just learning really and you seem to be getting on just fine. I've got the Magma flight case comino in the morning as they are all in stock now. They are very expensive at £144 but suppose I need one. I've been taking it in its cardboard box to gigs.
Mr Wilks 12:22 AM - 17 June, 2016
*coming in the morning
d:raf 6:17 AM - 17 June, 2016
I've been checking out this unit for a little bit; it's like a Numark NV and a Pioneer SZ got in a Brundle telepod together. Nice to know what to look for if I end up getting one.


Very helpful thread :)
ernie 7:08 AM - 17 June, 2016
I use my mine every weekend on my mobile gigs and i'm very happy it performs well no issue... i use serato and engine
dj Krazey leo 9:26 AM - 17 June, 2016
+100 great controller so far no issues with Serato and engine all I wish for is that we will be able at some point to use an iPad for search and give us the sync bars like Serato I've gotten been spoiled not using any headphones
Chino 2:11 PM - 17 June, 2016
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Was so excited to buy this controller at launch and put my trust back into Denon after all these years. All started off so well but to be honest the lack in any firmware update to address the issues that have been mentioned in this thread time and time again is quite frankly disappointing.


Actually Denon has been coming out with firmware updates regularly (1.1, 1.2, etc.) within a couple of months of eachother. They have been steadily addressing issues and making overall improvements to the MCx8000. I would definitely like the brightness of the CUE buttons changed BUT the MCx8000 is still a GREAT controller as is. I use it weekly at mobile gigs. Denon just needs to continue improving Engine. I'm also interested to see how Stagelinq works.
Chino 2:18 PM - 17 June, 2016
Btw, summer NAMM is around the corner so maybe Denon is waiting to roll out a new firmware update then. I hope they finally release their Stagelinq product too.
Mr Wilks 2:54 PM - 17 June, 2016
Hey Denon...

Both of these buttons are turned "off". Please fix it.

drive.google.com
HETTO 4:13 PM - 17 June, 2016
Guys, I thought I had figured out a possible workaround for the time being, for the CUE led's.
I think it will fail though and it might not be possible. But still - here's a thought:
Some led's 'blink' on occasions/buttons, right?

I was thinking a blinking CUE on state, might be better than an 'on' on state - you might notice the blinking better than just (127/full) on.
However, since this CUE handling is all about being really quick, without thinking, waiting to notice the blinking might take too long - fail.
And there's another thing; I asked someone from Denon on the Denon FB page about the control nr for blinking and he said it doesn't exist. (It's unfindable in the midi legend too).
But of coarse it can be done cause it happens with Serato for sure and also with Engine (?), right?
I told that the Behringer CMD series use note nr 2 for blinking. But he said he didn't know of this and that it doesn't work like this on the MCX.

I thought I'd just share this anyway, maybe some of you see something in this and maybe it is a doable workaround?
Mr Wilks 4:40 PM - 17 June, 2016
If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.
HETTO 4:44 PM - 17 June, 2016
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If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.


Haha, yeah thought about that too for a sec.
Let's see who's the first with a YouTube tutorial for that procedure ;-)
HETTO 4:45 PM - 17 June, 2016
... Or an actual service..
Mr Wilks 4:50 PM - 17 June, 2016
an iFixit style breakdown of it!

Saying that, I did that on the Denon forums (with pics) after I replaced some buttons that broken on the X900 mixer and they removed it as I had my say about the design of the buttons and how weak they was.

They denied the thread existed and I had screen caps of it! I lost faith then so this is my first Denon unit since. I hope they can fix it but if not I'll mod it myself.
HETTO 4:57 PM - 17 June, 2016
Needs to go underground then! ;-)

... Back on topic ➡️
Chino 5:03 PM - 17 June, 2016
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If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.[/quote

I had a similar idea. I already tried removing the top metal panel. There is a secondary plastic panel that has to be removed to get to the LED lights inside the CUE buttons. I was not brave enough to remove the secondary panel just yet.
Mr Wilks 5:04 PM - 17 June, 2016
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If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.[/quote

I had a similar idea. I already tried removing the top metal panel. There is a secondary plastic panel that has to be removed to get to the LED lights inside the CUE buttons. I was not brave enough to remove the secondary panel just yet.


Interesting.

10/10 for research!!!
HETTO 5:10 PM - 17 June, 2016
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If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Massive design fail happened here... Grrr.[/quote

I had a similar idea. I already tried removing the top metal panel. There is a secondary plastic panel that has to be removed to get to the LED lights inside the CUE buttons. I was not brave enough to remove the secondary panel just yet.


How brave! I did this once on a secondhand €180.- controller, but I just don't have the guts to do this with the MCX. (At least not now).
Hope the real fix will be there sooner.
HETTO 7:08 PM - 18 June, 2016
Btw: the echo on the mic is just on/off isn't it? Or am I missing something?
It would be useful to tap to bpm or set the ms's or something.
I suppose we can forget that happening, if it can't be done now? Or maybe thru the utility menu - echo - bpm/ms ?

I don't use a mic myself, but I hooked one up at a gig on the MCX already once,
And I could see this happening here and there with an MCX whose lines should be in tempo with echo.
The only way I can see this made possible now is hooking up the MCX on another mixer and connect the mic there.
HETTO 7:36 PM - 18 June, 2016
Edit - an MC whose words (lines) should have an echo/delay, but the echo should definitely be matched to the tempo.
acemc 3:35 AM - 19 June, 2016
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If there's two LEDs inside these I'm just going to rip one out or cover one.

Well, if you're gonna go to that extreme & open it up, you might as well just change it out for a slightly dimmer led. At least that way you still have a fully functional controller.
To be honest, that's exactly what I'm gonna do if Denon don't sort this issue out.
bru la fu 9:58 PM - 20 June, 2016
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Kinda wish they would open up channels 3&4 for VSL (currently on 1&2 work) so I could use 1 & 2 for engine, not a major hassle though.


This would be great. We just need to nag Serato on that.

The rest is just learning really and you seem to be getting on just fine. I've got the Magma flight case comino in the morning as they are all in stock now. They are very expensive at £144 but suppose I need one. I've been taking it in its cardboard box to gigs.


Thats exactly how I've been carrying mine. Im looking into making a decent carry bag for it....It'll be a WIP as Im fairly handy with a sewing machine. I'll see how I get on.
Mr Wilks 10:45 PM - 20 June, 2016
My Magma flighcase came today. it's bigger than it should be.

Nice though. The one I had fist had to go back as it was damaged.

The Magma CTRL case looks good. I had one for the SX.
GusGomez 11:41 PM - 20 June, 2016
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My Magma flighcase came today. it's bigger than it should be.

Nice though. The one I had fist had to go back as it was damaged.

The Magma CTRL case looks good. I had one for the SX.

I using the Magma CTRL Case for DDJ-Sz

www.zzounds.com
Mr Wilks 11:53 PM - 20 June, 2016
www.juno.co.uk

They are out now for the MCX
GusGomez 11:59 PM - 20 June, 2016
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www.juno.co.uk

They are out now for the MCX


Dope! But if you have one for the SZ don't waste your money just use that one Ive had no issues with mine
Mr Wilks 12:06 AM - 21 June, 2016
Definitely. This Magma one is too big. It could have been made a little smaller.
bru la fu 4:34 PM - 21 June, 2016
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www.juno.co.uk

They are out now for the MCX


Oh that looks decent and a decent price too.
Chino 5:18 PM - 21 June, 2016
*UPDATE*

I'm noticing some BIG improvements to how the Denon MCx8000 runs with Public Beta SDJ 1.9.2. in MY setup. The wave forms are MUCH smoother now. Music searches happen faster and smoother as well. The music scroll bar cursor color has changed too. It's easier to see now. There was a specific pitch bug in the MCx8000 that was fixed. Overall, there are lots of improvements included with this maintenance update. It's definitely worth checking out!


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) Nvidia Ge Force GT 650M 1024MB
Ragman 3:56 AM - 22 June, 2016
Good to know. Thanks for the update Chino.
ernie 7:11 PM - 22 June, 2016
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*UPDATE*

I'm noticing some BIG improvements to how the Denon MCx8000 runs with Public Beta SDJ 1.9.2. in MY setup. The wave forms are MUCH smoother now. Music searches happen faster and smoother as well. The music scroll bar cursor color has changed too. It's easier to see now. There was a specific pitch bug in the MCx8000 that was fixed. Overall, there are lots of improvements included with this maintenance update. It's definitely worth checking out!


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) Nvidia Ge Force GT 650M 1024MB

Thanks for the update looking forward to the final version
acemc 5:18 PM - 23 June, 2016
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That's stange, it's still blue on mine. What colour is yours?
The pitch+shift has been sorted out - I'm really happy about that!!!
KdjLeon 5:51 PM - 23 June, 2016
Out of interest ...
Can you assign fx to the mic channels ??
I can see the echo (how is this?)
I have a denon mc6000mk2 and radio mics are way to hot .. Fx is only the echo built it ..
I just wondered if you can route a fx with serato to the mic channel .. Ps pionner won't do this on a Ddj-sx :(
acemc 5:58 PM - 23 June, 2016
Can't apply SDJ fx to the mic sadly.
Also no inbuilt fx except echo on mic.
Mr Wilks 6:44 PM - 23 June, 2016
The FX are built inside Serato but the mic output comes from the hardware. It's the same with the DDJ-SX so the mic can't be routed.

Would be good to see one day though.
Chino 8:57 PM - 23 June, 2016
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That's stange, it's still blue on mine. What colour is yours?
The pitch+shift has been sorted out - I'm really happy about that!!!


Previously the scroll cursor(all the way to the right of the SDJ screen) was a dark gray. In SDJ Public Beta 1.9.2 it is now a lighter gray with more contrast. It is now easier to see especially when your scrolling through a large music library.
KdjLeon 10:30 AM - 24 June, 2016
RE: Mic FX routing

thats a shame, but not unexpected... would be a fantastic feature !! not just karaoke but for beat boxing, vocal looping cleaver chaps
Mr Wilks 1:29 PM - 24 June, 2016
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thats a shame, but not unexpected... would be a fantastic feature !! not just karaoke but for beat boxing, vocal looping cleaver chaps


It would be great. If Serato could have a routing option for the mic channel that runs through it it would be great.
acemc 3:52 AM - 25 June, 2016
Also allow us to route our vinyl / cds through the software, to allow the use of effects on our external media. I know this can be done because the timecode signal goes to the software. So there's no real reason why we can't route our vinyl thru
Chino 12:15 AM - 27 June, 2016
Happy to report that the MCx8000 performed flawlessly at my two outdoor events this weekend. I was able to run the USB latency in SDJ at 5ms. I DJed completely standalone for the last hour of today's event too.

The only annoyance…. wait for it…...was the brightness of the CUE buttons of course! It's extremely hard to tell whether they are on or not in daylight. I'm eagerly checking the Denon website weekly in hopes of a firmware fix!!
Cardiac 3:57 AM - 28 June, 2016
Hey Guys I haven't found out an answer to one question I have been trying to research. I understand the MCX8000 only comes with three effects is limited to Serato as well or if using Serato DJ you have access to all the effects it comes with. So far I am feeling the MCX8000.
akakak 7:09 AM - 28 June, 2016
I don't understand the question. When using Serato you have access to all the FX.
HETTO 7:57 AM - 28 June, 2016
I think this is what you want to know:

- in Engine USB mode you only have 3 dedicated Denon FX (and 2 channels USB max)
- With Serato you have all Serato FX available (and 4 channel max)
Or you can use the unit with, for example, 2 ch USB and 2 ch Serato
- No, the MCX is not limited to Serato at all, but it is made for it/with Serato, so the intergration is fantastic
HETTO 3:07 PM - 28 June, 2016
Forgot to mention trying to make clear Serato is the best and obvious choice of software;

- the onboard screens only work with Serato (a.t.m. At least)
- cool Serato stuff like the new Pitch & time is tailor made as well as Flip etc is all there
djbrulafu 9:55 PM - 28 June, 2016
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Happy to report that the MCx8000 performed flawlessly at my two outdoor events this weekend. I was able to run the USB latency in SDJ at 5ms. I DJed completely standalone for the last hour of today's event too.

The only annoyance…. wait for it…...was the brightness of the CUE buttons of course! It's extremely hard to tell whether they are on or not in daylight. I'm eagerly checking the Denon website weekly in hopes of a firmware fix!!


This is great news. Are you still managing to log into the Denon Dj website.

Ive registered my MCX8000 and got in once, but cant get into the forums!
Ragman 10:06 PM - 28 June, 2016
Ever since Denon started using Numark support, the Denon forums are gone.
djbrulafu 10:49 PM - 28 June, 2016
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Ever since Denon started using Numark support, the Denon forums are gone.


Aaah ok, that makes sense! I registered the unit, but I cant even log into my account. Don't suppose there is any need to then!
djbigz 11:18 PM - 28 June, 2016
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Happy to report that the MCx8000 performed flawlessly at my two outdoor events this weekend. I was able to run the USB latency in SDJ at 5ms. I DJed completely standalone for the last hour of today's event too.

The only annoyance…. wait for it…...was the brightness of the CUE buttons of course! It's extremely hard to tell whether they are on or not in daylight. I'm eagerly checking the Denon website weekly in hopes of a firmware fix!!


This is great news. Are you still managing to log into the Denon Dj website.

Ive registered my MCX8000 and got in once, but cant get into the forums!



Site was deleted by accident back in April by their hosting company..

www.bbc.com
Mr Wilks 1:28 PM - 29 June, 2016
I had an issue last week where I couldn't log into the Denon site with my username and password to check for firmware updates. It seems to be okay now but it wasn't recognising it for some reason.
djbrulafu 1:35 PM - 29 June, 2016
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I had an issue last week where I couldn't log into the Denon site with my username and password to check for firmware updates. It seems to be okay now but it wasn't recognising it for some reason.


Thats exactly whats happening with me. I even requested a new password, they keep saying its been emailed, but nothing has arrived.

I'll persevere...
djbrulafu 1:41 PM - 29 June, 2016
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I had an issue last week where I couldn't log into the Denon site with my username and password to check for firmware updates. It seems to be okay now but it wasn't recognising it for some reason.


Soooo....any updates then? Lol
Mr Wilks 2:10 PM - 29 June, 2016
There wasn't as of Sunday but I'd expect something in the near future if they're listening to our gripes!
HETTO 4:47 PM - 29 June, 2016
The Denon Facebook group (the public one) is a way to connect too. I'm sure I've heard
Paul Dakeyne or someone else from Denon say they are busy with setting up a new Denon forum, how to do it and such, because of the lost data.
HETTO 5:24 PM - 29 June, 2016
NEWS FLASH!
Don't know how many of you have heard it already, but there's finally some info about the Ethernet port on the MCX; Serato DJ Soundswitch

www.digitaldjtips.com

There's a video too, if you scroll down in the link. I'm not totally getting it right now, they don't explain the software, hardware or MCX8000 connection or interaction. But it's clear MCX8000's are used in the video.. :-)
HETTO 5:26 PM - 29 June, 2016
... There's a hardware box involved apparently.
Cuervo 9:26 PM - 29 June, 2016
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@skinnyguy & dj Krazey Leo… My MCx8000 was part of the first batch of controllers sent out with an earlier firmware. You may already have the firmware version that I updated to. To check to see which version is on your controller:

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until your in the UTILITY menu
2. Scroll down until you see SYSTEM INFORMATION
3. Under SYSTEM INFORMATION you will see Engine Version & MCU Version
4. The latest Engine Version is 0143. The latest MCU Version is 2061.


Hello Everyone,

This is Chris from Denon DJ. Thanks Chino for posting your directions! Everyone, please follow it as it will help you navigate and view your firmware version on the controller.

If your MCX8000 has a firmware version that is below MCU version of 2057, which we find to be highly unlikely, then please contact Denon DJ technical support right away to rectify this - denondj.com.

Any distortion, latency, wave form or platter sensitivity issues can be rectified by reverting your MCX8000 controller back to its Factory Default settings.

To perform this..

1. Press and hold the VIEW button until you're in the UTILITY menu.
2. Scroll down until you see MAINTENANCE SETTINGS.
3. Under FACTORY DEFAULT, push in the SELECT/LOAD knob.
4. Turn the SELECT/LOAD knob until you see OK displayed.
5. Push in the SELECT/LOAD knob to revert your settings back to Factory Default.
6. Push in the VIEW button one time to exit these settings.

For any additional MCX8000 questions and help, review the following guides
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Video Tutorial - Watchwww.youtube.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - Frequently Asked Questions - denondj.com
Denon DJ MCX8000 - How to Import and Analyze a Serato Crate for Engine - denondj.com

To contact Denon DJ Support, log onto denondj.com.


Hey Chris, what do you think about this?

Watchwww.youtube.com

Every single time when i turn the headphones level knob, it changes the channel level volume, as you can see in the video i have the latest Denon firmware. The first cue pad on the right hand deck does not light up, i can live with that but the channel level issue is not good, not good. I was using Mavericks with a mid 2013 15" mackbook pro with a 2.3GHz Intel Core i7 with 16 GB memory RAM, today i upgraded to El Capitan 10.11.5 and i got the same issue.
Is this a hardware defect? I know some guys had to send the controller back to the shop... I hope i wont have to do that... Man i miss my old set up, thats for sure.


"UPDATE"

My controller has a hardware issue. Denon sent me a brand new Denon MCX 8000, yesterday i used it for 4 hours with Serato DJ and Engine and it works perfect.

Im still using Mavericks with my DJ mbp... Are you guys using El Capitan?
Chino 9:40 PM - 29 June, 2016
@ Hetto... Looks like the SoundSwitch interface box/software is separate from what Denon is offering with Stagelinq. Both seem very interesting! The SoundSwitch hardware/software works directly with SDJ. I'm still not sure how the Denon Stagelinq is going to work other than it plugs directly into the Ethernet port of the MCx8000. I do hope Denon's Stagelinq will also work directly with SDJ AND Engine.

@ Cuervo… I run SDJ 1.9.1 on OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan). It runs smooth. I am also testing the SDJ Public Beta 1.9.2 on EL Capitan. So far SDJ 1.9.2 has LOTS of improvements to stability, and GUI enhancements!!


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) Nvidia Ge Force GT 650M 1024MB
Mr Wilks 12:46 AM - 30 June, 2016
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@ Hetto... Looks like the SoundSwitch interface box/software is separate from what Denon is offering with Stagelinq. Both seem very interesting! The SoundSwitch hardware/software works directly with SDJ. I'm still not sure how the Denon Stagelinq is going to work other than it plugs directly into the Ethernet port of the MCx8000. I do hope Denon's Stagelinq will also work directly with SDJ AND Engine.


Yeah, soundswitch is different to StageLinq but both seem very similar in their approaches.

It will be interesting on both fronts and hope Denon has included SDJ as well as Engine compatibility.
HETTO 5:15 AM - 30 June, 2016
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@ Hetto... Looks like the SoundSwitch interface box/software is separate from what Denon is offering with Stagelinq. Both seem very interesting! The SoundSwitch hardware/software works directly with SDJ. I'm still not sure how the Denon Stagelinq is going to work other than it plugs directly into the Ethernet port of the MCx8000. I do hope Denon's Stagelinq will also work directly with SDJ AND Engine.


Yeah, soundswitch is different to StageLinq but both seem very similar in their approaches.

It will be interesting on both fronts and hope Denon has included SDJ as well as Engine compatibility.


Yes, indeed. We actually still don't know anything about Stagelinq now. Lol. Although It were all MCX8000's in that video.
Certainly interesting stuff, this. In the line of what you are saying - let's hope both will be compatible then, in the way Engine can now read Serato analyzed tracks too..
Versipellis 8:15 AM - 30 June, 2016
Does the MCX8000's screens have any sort of phase metering like on CDJs?
acemc 10:59 AM - 30 June, 2016
Im really exited about SoundSwitch.
Although the 8000 hasn't been specifically mentioned, you can clearly see it being used in the promo video.I doubt that's just coincidence. Sadly the whole Stagelinq thing has been kept way too hush. No-one really seems to be giving any specifics or timeframes. At least with SoundSwitch we know what to expect & they're giving us a date. Big ups to Serato for incorporating this into their software!!
acemc 11:00 AM - 30 June, 2016
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Does the MCX8000's screens have any sort of phase metering like on CDJs?

Sadly not.
Mr Wilks 1:25 PM - 30 June, 2016
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Im really exited about SoundSwitch.
Although the 8000 hasn't been specifically mentioned, you can clearly see it being used in the promo video.I doubt that's just coincidence. Sadly the whole Stagelinq thing has been kept way too hush. No-one really seems to be giving any specifics or timeframes. At least with SoundSwitch we know what to expect & they're giving us a date. Big ups to Serato for incorporating this into their software!!


They did say that StageLinq is coming in the summer but kow that by giving any actual dates is risky in case trees hold-ups. It's better to have a time frame like Q2 etc as it's less hassle when delays hit.

SoundSwitch is a product that's almost ready so it more advanced in it development than StageLinq. They will both be out during the summer so will be an interesting time, we wait for ages for a product like this and two arrive at the same time!

I can understand how Denon are keeping their cards close to their chest, just as this company did until last week!

SoundSwitch will probably launch first... unless StageLinq is imminent.
Mr Wilks 1:28 PM - 30 June, 2016
Also I'm patiently waiting for Mojaxx to drop his MCX8000 review on DJ City's YouTube channel. It was due last week so any day now we'll see it.

It's due any day now and just know he'll pick it apart with his positive vs negative points. If he spots the LED issue he'll report it. This will get clarification from Denon on where they are with it.
acemc 1:29 PM - 30 June, 2016
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They did say that StageLinq is coming in the summer but kow that by giving any actual dates is risky in case trees hold-ups. It's better to have a time frame like Q2 etc as it's less hassle when delays hit.

Makes sense, never really thought about that.
A bit more detail would be welcome though.
Mr Wilks 1:30 PM - 30 June, 2016
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Also I'm patiently waiting for Mojaxx to drop his MCX8000 review on DJ City's YouTube channel. It was due last week so any day now we'll see it.

It's due any day now and just know he'll pick it apart with his positive vs negative points. If he spots the LED issue he'll report it. This will get clarification from Denon on where they are with it.


Maybe this is why there's a delay? Maybe StageLinq is going to be shown off?

Or maybe there's new firmware addressing something he's noticed?

Just a thought haha!
acemc 1:33 PM - 30 June, 2016
Agreed - Mojaxx does thorough product reviews.
HETTO 1:55 PM - 30 June, 2016
Nice looking forward to that review.

In the meantime Digital DJ Tips have released the second (video) review on the 8000 out of the serie of four. This one is about the MCX / Serato interaction.
Mr Wilks 3:34 PM - 30 June, 2016
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Nice looking forward to that review.

In the meantime Digital DJ Tips have released the second (video) review on the 8000 out of the serie of four. This one is about the MCX / Serato interaction.


...and Mark dropped his recently on DJ Worx (but his original review got trashed so he summerised).

djworx.com
HETTO 3:55 PM - 30 June, 2016
Thnx, will have a look
d:raf 2:30 AM - 1 July, 2016
A couple of questions I haven't seen asked yet:

1. Can you record from the external sources that you plug into this?

2. If so, in the case of vinyl how good are the phono preamps? If I can rip vinyl with this, I can finally retire my Xone DX for good...
acemc 3:38 AM - 3 July, 2016
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Yes you can. Just setup the 8000 as your record input in your recording software.
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2. If so, in the case of vinyl how good are the phono preamps?

I've ripped a couple of my records & i think it sounds great!!
Dj lafont 11:56 AM - 3 July, 2016
anyone knows when there going have microphone with echo on the serato dj software
Ragman 12:09 PM - 3 July, 2016
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anyone knows when there going have microphone with echo on the serato dj software

I would think that's more of a hardware feature right? I could be wrong though but I thought the hardware manufacturers would need to build in an internal echo that's not software based.
acemc 12:13 PM - 3 July, 2016
The 8000 does have an echo for the mic,
I'm not sure why you'd want Serato to do this?
Mr Wilks 5:36 PM - 3 July, 2016
Exactly.

Denon got around the fact there's no software FX on the mic by adding one themselves. They saw a limitation in the way Serato routes the audio and came up with a solution.

It would be good if the echo was adjustable so the timing could be reduced but it's shows they was thinking about the MCs and mobile jocks that do karaoke.

It may not be perfect but they showed ingenuity by expanding further than Serato allowed and also let's the echo work on Engine.

Now if Serato allowed FX on their mic. Wow!
Mr Wilks 6:18 PM - 3 July, 2016
Did anyone catch Mojaxx's MCX8000 review?

youtu.be

I guess he's seen a few of out comments on the LEDs etc :)
HETTO 9:00 PM - 3 July, 2016
Haha, yeah I saw it.
Good review, but I was pretty tired and he is quick! - putting as much info as possible into the least amount of time. Lol.
d:raf 8:37 PM - 4 July, 2016
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1. Can you record from the external sources that you plug into this?

Yes you can. Just setup the 8000 as your record input in your recording software.
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2. If so, in the case of vinyl how good are the phono preamps?

I've ripped a couple of my records & i think it sounds great!!


Thanks :). Two more in the "+" column.

Does it give you the option to record from the mic input as well, either during mixing or separately?
djbrulafu 8:52 PM - 4 July, 2016
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1. Can you record from the external sources that you plug into this?

Yes you can. Just setup the 8000 as your record input in your recording software.
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2. If so, in the case of vinyl how good are the phono preamps?

I've ripped a couple of my records & i think it sounds great!!


Thanks :). Two more in the "+" column.

Does it give you the option to record from the mic input as well, either during mixing or separately?


It definitely records the mic as it recorded my mic usage a few weeks ago. Whether or not you can switch it off. I don't know.
acemc 9:35 PM - 5 July, 2016
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It definitely records the mic as it recorded my mic usage a few weeks ago.

Interesting - So there is a way to route the mic through the sound card to the computer.
I haven't tried to record the mic yet, thanks for the info.
mattdub 11:37 PM - 6 July, 2016
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You must select the songs from inside your crate to drag and drop into the Engine software


Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).


Hi Mr. Wilks,

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the MCX so far, though I'm sorry you're still having trouble with the Engine software.

As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine, but do not drag the crate itself. Only the songs inside.

Also, please note and make sure you are only dragging supported music files into Engine:

Supported Media

WAV: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
AIFF: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
MP3: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 32kbps – 320 kbps
AAC: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 64kbps – 320 kbps

If anyone requires further technical support with the MCX8000 or the Engine software, please feel free to reach out to our support team through the Denon website - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!


NUMARKCHRIS
NUMARKCOREY
MR WILKS

I am also experiencing the same issue. Is there a known fix yet?

Windows 10
SDJ 1.9
Mr Wilks 6:29 AM - 7 July, 2016
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Hi Numark Chris.

Happy you guys are hanging out here and collecting feedback and giving advice. It's greatly appreciated.

I tried this but I can't drag anything into the engine software from Serato's crates. I get a cross. I can only drag from outside Serato. I'm not sure if there's an issue with dragging and dropping them on Windows 10 but I get nothing on 1.8.2 or 1.9.

There an issue somewhere. I'll tray again later. I'm currently gigging with it for the first time at the moment.

This thing going is loud! It sounds amazing and much better than the SX it's replaced.

The cue buttons really need toning down in the firmware as the orange "off" state of the outer two is as bright as the blue "on" state of the inner two! They should have a subtle glow rather than the brightness they have.

Other than that, I'm finding the odd thing I'd like to request as a feature update but I'll mention that later.

I'm enjoying it (but the mirrored layout is playing havoc as it looks like the SX but only on one side!).


Hi Mr. Wilks,

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the MCX so far, though I'm sorry you're still having trouble with the Engine software.

As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine, but do not drag the crate itself. Only the songs inside.

Also, please note and make sure you are only dragging supported music files into Engine:

Supported Media

WAV: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
AIFF: 44.1kHz, 16bit/24bit Stereo
MP3: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 32kbps – 320 kbps
AAC: CBR/VBR 44.1kHz, Stereo 64kbps – 320 kbps

If anyone requires further technical support with the MCX8000 or the Engine software, please feel free to reach out to our support team through the Denon website - www.denondj.com

I hope this helps!


NUMARKCHRIS
NUMARKCOREY
MR WILKS

I am also experiencing the same issue. Is there a known fix yet?

Windows 10
SDJ 1.9


As you can see, I reported a fault with it and the response was As NumarkChris stated earlier, you certainly can drag and drop music from your Serato crates into Engine so there's instant denial there that there's an issue with Windows 10 after I've reported it.

So...

I got on to support in teh UK and they confirmed it after they followed my steps that there was an issue. They said they would send the details for ward to help with bug squishing.

Two months I've had this unit now and still no fix.

Maybe worth sending an email to support and copy in this thread and the post above by sorting the link address using the "permalink".

UK support confirmed there was a problem as they could reproduce it.
HETTO 7:36 AM - 7 July, 2016
Guys, On the Denon FB page someone addressed this as well on the 29th of June.
(Scroll to that date to find it).
Paul (from Denon) replied he'd spoken to the Product Team in the US. The fix is there in the next version of Engine. He than says the new update should be there in a couple of days, but that apparently got delayed - otherwise it would be here now.
Should be very soon though!
HETTO 7:38 AM - 7 July, 2016
.. I'm talking about the Win 10 / import issue btw...
Mr Wilks 10:19 AM - 7 July, 2016
29th June? Whoooah!

I reported this back in early May! Glad it's getting looked at and hopefully there's a few other fixes in there too.

I'm looking forward to it.
HETTO 12:01 PM - 7 July, 2016
Yeah, I also reported the Serato to Engine analyzed tracks transfer bug WAY earlier.
I have this bug with my aiff files on OS X.
Hope the update will soon be there.
Chino 12:19 PM - 7 July, 2016
I know this is off topic but I wanted to take the time to wish the RANE employees all the best!! I just got back from my vacation in Miami to the news of Rane being sold. I'm still in shock!!!
mattdub 1:44 PM - 7 July, 2016
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29th June? Whoooah!

I reported this back in early May! Glad it's getting looked at and hopefully there's a few other fixes in there too.

I'm looking forward to it.


So... oddly enough, I can confirm that you can drop and drag out of Rekordbox on Win 10. I mean it should be difficult, all that is being transferred is the file location on the hard drive. The files themselves are not being moved. You can also drag to Serato from Rekordbox. What I have been doing is keeping my RB tight and mirroring my SDJ and E1.5 from there.
mattdub 1:45 PM - 7 July, 2016
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29th June? Whoooah!

I reported this back in early May! Glad it's getting looked at and hopefully there's a few other fixes in there too.

I'm looking forward to it.


So... oddly enough, I can confirm that you can drop and drag out of Rekordbox on Win 10. I mean it should be difficult, all that is being transferred is the file location on the hard drive. The files themselves are not being moved. You can also drag to Serato from Rekordbox. What I have been doing is keeping my RB tight and mirroring my SDJ and E1.5 from there.


***Shouldn't
Mr Wilks 2:44 PM - 7 July, 2016
Serato to Engine works on Mac now but it's broken on Win 10. It's there already but there's a bug which they said they'll fix.

I've not seen any issues with any other app.
DJ JuVi 1:39 PM - 8 July, 2016
Aiight, so I finally got the MCX8000!!!!!!!
Done with being jealous of all ya'll lol

Now, seriously - what do you guys think about the cases out there?
I mean, UDG got the bags, non of them is really made for the MCX, you gotta make adjustments (yes, I bought the Urbanite FlightBag, the more expensive one, thinking of returning it). Magma got the CTRL bag, but there's no Magma retailer in my area. Then you got the option to buy a case, a thing I have mixed feelings for.

What do you think?
mattdub 1:57 PM - 8 July, 2016
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Aiight, so I finally got the MCX8000!!!!!!!
Done with being jealous of all ya'll lol

Now, seriously - what do you guys think about the cases out there?
I mean, UDG got the bags, non of them is really made for the MCX, you gotta make adjustments (yes, I bought the Urbanite FlightBag, the more expensive one, thinking of returning it). Magma got the CTRL bag, but there's no Magma retailer in my area. Then you got the option to buy a case, a thing I have mixed feelings for.

What do you think?


The Magma cases look great, especially the low profile one. I like the idea using the backpack style bag they have for the SX and SZ. There are plenty of online retailers that will ship.
Mr Wilks 2:00 PM - 8 July, 2016
Congrats!

It's a brilliant bit of kit and you won't be disappointed.

As for a case... I bought the Magma flight case but it's a bit big. They could easily have made it 3 or 4 inches smaller but hey-ho.

Oddessy is the case I wanted. They did the FZ8000 (I think) it it looked perfect as it was a slimline case bit wasn't available in the UK.
mattdub 5:51 PM - 9 July, 2016
After doing a radio show last night with this unit for the first time, a couple things stand out. The biggest thing that Is the unsupported mp3s, seems that I have a large bit of them that will not run in engine and standalone was the biggest seller for me. I hope they can push an update asap for that. Also, it ate my headphone 1/4 adapter lol. When I pulled out my headphones, the tip of the quarter-inch adapter was lodged in the controller. Luckily, it has the 3.5 jack that I could use. Already called Guitar Center and they will swap the unit out. Anyone else have that issue? One of the best features however, was that we had three DJs going B2B, one using SDJ and the other two running on 2 usbs. Seamless transitions, everyone can mix into the other no problem. Drum pads are great. This is a great unit and will be better for my uses if the can get this mp3 thing sorted,
djbrulafu 6:29 PM - 9 July, 2016
It looks like this has turned into the unofficial MCX8000 thread! Sorry Chino...lol

Just wanted to post this issue here, just incase anyone else has had it or seen it.

I have a 128gb USB 3.0 stick and when I load a long mix up on the left deck, play it, it plays fine...until....I load a track into deck 2.

Anyone else able to recreate this?

youtu.be
Mr Wilks 6:32 PM - 9 July, 2016
I've not had they issue with the jack plug but it's heppened before on a different mixer a few years back.

I think it's just a loose tip on the adapter that wasn't noticed.

I've got all my mp3s supported in my engine so could be worth checking they are mp3s as there's a file that's that's not supported. I'll have to have a look.
Chino 8:16 PM - 9 July, 2016
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It looks like this has turned into the unofficial MCX8000 thread! Sorry Chino...lol

Just wanted to post this issue here, just incase anyone else has had it or seen it.

I have a 128gb USB 3.0 stick and when I load a long mix up on the left deck, play it, it plays fine...until....I load a track into deck 2.

Anyone else able to recreate this?


@ dj brulafu…. I'm just glad we have a place to discuss the MCx8000 and all things Denon.

I use a Sandisk 128GB 3.0 Ultrafit flash drive with the MCx8000. I have a 17min and a 15min mix loaded unto the drive. I tried to recreate your issue but I am able to load a track and play it on either deck. How long is your mix? Maybe there is a size limitation in standalone mode?
djbrulafu 8:38 PM - 9 July, 2016
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@ dj brulafu…. I'm just glad we have a place to discuss the MCx8000 and all things Denon.

I use a Sandisk 128GB 3.0 Ultrafit flash drive with the MCx8000. I have a 17min and a 15min mix loaded unto the drive. I tried to recreate your issue but I am able to load a track and play it on either deck. How long is your mix? Maybe there is a size limitation in standalone mode?


@Chino Yeah, Im glad too.

This is the usb flash drive I have.

goo.gl

The file I loaded up was a 70 minute mix and it plays without any issue on its own (in all honesty I wouldnt be playing or mixing from a large mix into another track), but when I took loaded up another track say 7m long, it caused an issue. I might just do a factory reset and see how that runs.

What was strange is that when you reload the same long mix in again, it doesnt play it properly. Only when you switch the machine off and on again.

Does your load times etc look similar to mine or are mine quite slow in comparison to you
Chino 8:51 PM - 9 July, 2016
^^^ That looks exactly like the drive I have. My load times vary depending on the length of the track. Overall a 3.0 flash drive will read faster than a 2.0 flash drive even if your still using a 2.0 usb slot (like the one on the MCx8000). A 70 minute track is really long. In the future it may help to keep mixes under 30minutes. A factory reset will probably be a temp fix.
djbrulafu 9:10 PM - 9 July, 2016
I've just loaded up a couple of REALLY long tracks - a 5 hour mix I was given by a dj at Mambo in Ibiza and a 100 minute mix that I did and both tracks are running along nicely.

I wonder if its maybe just that specific track that the 8000 isnt playing well. Looking back, the time it ran fine on its own, it was via serato and this is the first time I've played it off the USB drive.

goo.gl
Chino 9:29 PM - 9 July, 2016
^^^ Did you analyze the mix in Engine before playing it off of the USB? I have found that playing off of the USB drives works best if the mix/tracks are analyzed in Engine first.
djbrulafu 9:34 PM - 9 July, 2016
^^^ Yeah, I've been struggling to analyse them off my mac, as it kept crashing, but its worked off my Win10 PC which is weird. I might give it a try and see how it goes.

Other than that Im loving it.

I do have a pair of Technics SL1210's away being serviced just now and I was wondering, for the odd occasion that I wheel them out, I could just route them through my SL1 box and run SSL (which I still have on this machine) and use them with the MCX8000.
Chino 8:01 PM - 10 July, 2016
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I do have a pair of Technics SL1210's away being serviced just now and I was wondering, for the odd occasion that I wheel them out, I could just route them through my SL1 box and run SSL (which I still have on this machine) and use them with the MCX8000.


You can run it like that BUT it may be easier just to purchase the DVS upgrade. That way you can run the 1200s directly into the MCx8000. Personally, I prefer SSL for DVS. I completely understand why you would want to run it via a Rane SL1 box.
dj Krazey leo 1:09 AM - 11 July, 2016
I've had my mcx 8000 since the first batch came out and I love it, so far i took it to a couple of gigs and it worked flawlessly but today i was home decided to power it up for a practice run when i noticed a blue line on the left screen of the unit does anyone have any idea what this is ? I did a factory reset and it still didn't go away I tried to update the firmware again but it says my firmware is updated can someone help me out with this? Thanks in advance.
Ragman 2:11 AM - 11 July, 2016
You need to contact customer support. Sounds like a pixel problem on your screen.
dj Krazey leo 5:31 AM - 11 July, 2016
Ok thanks I appreciate it
acemc 7:10 AM - 11 July, 2016
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This is a great unit and will be better for my uses if the can get this mp3 thing sorted,

I think the mp3 issue is with tracks that don't have a sample rate of 44100.
No problem if you're using Engine, as it will notify you of the tracks that aren't supported.
It's a big problem if you have guest dj's that just bring their usb sticks.
In essence it ruins the whole 'stand alone' feature of the unit,
coz obviously no dj's that don't own a 8000 will be using Engine.
mattdub 1:28 PM - 11 July, 2016
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This is a great unit and will be better for my uses if the can get this mp3 thing sorted,

I think the mp3 issue is with tracks that don't have a sample rate of 44100.
No problem if you're using Engine, as it will notify you of the tracks that aren't supported.
It's a big problem if you have guest dj's that just bring their usb sticks.
In essence it ruins the whole 'stand alone' feature of the unit,
coz obviously no dj's that don't own a 8000 will be using Engine.


Exactly my issue. I run a radio show and other parties where we bring in guest. Most of the time, venues have standard pio gear and this is not an issue. However, this unit is extremely convenient for my show in standalone vs. lugging 1200's and most just bring their sticks. Also what was odd is engine loaded and hand full of track and when I brought them up on the unit, it came up as file type not supported. Anyone with that?
acemc 6:31 PM - 11 July, 2016
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engine loaded and hand full of track and when I brought them up on the unit, it came up as file type not supported

I have had this happen to me too.
Sometimes it doesn't even say 'not supported' it just won't load the track.
Seems like both Engine software & 8000 firmware are in need of an update.
DJ E 4:56 PM - 12 July, 2016
what up guys I'm a new DJ and i tying to find somewhere to upload my videos do you guys know some where i can store my audio content?
akakak 6:11 PM - 12 July, 2016
SoundCloud?
bru la fu 6:20 PM - 12 July, 2016
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what up guys I'm a new DJ and i tying to find somewhere to upload my videos do you guys know some where i can store my audio content?


What akakak says but you'll get a better response of you start a new thread and not in this one which is mainly about the denon mcx8000. 👍
Cuervo 7:28 PM - 12 July, 2016
Is DVS available on channel 1 and 2? I have a Technics SL-DZ1200 and i would like to use it, i use mixemergency thats why i want to use channel 1 or 2.
Chino 7:54 PM - 12 July, 2016
^^^ @ Cuervo... Yes, DVS is available on Channel 1 and 2. You will need to purchase the DVS upgrade from Serato if you haven't done so already. I also use Mix Emergency. Mix Emergency is ONLY available on channel 1 and 2.
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:54 PM - 12 July, 2016
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what up guys I'm a new DJ and i tying to find somewhere to upload my videos do you guys know some where i can store my audio content?

Do you really need to post this in every thread 🖕🏻
Cuervo 8:03 PM - 12 July, 2016
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^^^ @ Cuervo... Yes, DVS is available on Channel 1 and 2. You will need to purchase the DVS upgrade from Serato if you haven't done so already. I also use Mix Emergency. Mix Emergency is ONLY available on channel 1 and 2.


How do you activate the DVS on channel 2? I already have the DVS but i can only use it on channel 3 and 4.
Chino 8:43 PM - 12 July, 2016
^^^ @ Cuervo…Sorry but I need to correct myself. On the MCx8000, DVS is upgrade ready for Channel 3 and 4 ONLY. I just double checked the denon website too. Once again Mix Emergency is ONLY available on Channel 1 and 2.
Cuervo 8:50 PM - 12 July, 2016
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^^^ @ Cuervo…Sorry but I need to correct myself. On the MCx8000, DVS is upgrade ready for Channel 3 and 4 ONLY. I just double checked the denon website too. Once again Mix Emergency is ONLY available on Channel 1 and 2.


Would be great to have DVS on channel 1 and 2 to use video, not a waste of money but if i use video DVS is useless on channel 3 and 4... I was planning to buy a turntable, to use my Serato CV but i'll save my money...
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:13 PM - 12 July, 2016
Make sure you guys 1+ the feature request to have the option for video channels tobe on 3&4 we need Serato to add this and then give Inklin the code change to work with ME aswel as SV.
Chino 1:09 AM - 13 July, 2016
^^^ @LJ Woolsey… I can't find the feature thread to +1 it. Can you post the link?
Chino 1:19 AM - 13 July, 2016
Btw, there is a new version of SDJ Public Beta 1.9.2. It's SDJ 1.9.2(6090). SDJ 1.9.2 is for me the most stable version to date!

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) Nvidia Ge Force GT 650M 1024MB
Mr Wilks 10:25 AM - 13 July, 2016
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Make sure you guys 1+ the feature request to have the option for video channels tobe on 3&4 we need Serato to add this and then give Inklin the code change to work with ME aswel as SV.


I'm really wanting this too. When Serato add this I'll be a happy chappy.
djbrulafu 1:33 PM - 13 July, 2016
I'll +1 it too.
skinnyguy 5:07 PM - 13 July, 2016
No DVS on 1&2? That's weird. Wonder what the reasoning behind that is.
Cuervo 11:32 PM - 13 July, 2016
Ok, guys i contacted Serato and the told me that it is a hardware issue, so Denon has to take care of that. Serato has DVS on 4 channels. I also contacted Inklen and they say the same, it is a hardware issue, i didnt know that but is clear, on the back of the Denon MCX 8000 you can see that only channel 3 and 4 are DVS compatible.

The guy from Serato told me to get in touch with the Serato sales service, he said that maybe i can get my money back.

As i said, mostly i used videos so DVS is useless for me, at least with the Denon MCX 8000.
Mr Wilks 11:45 PM - 13 July, 2016
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No DVS on 1&2? That's weird. Wonder what the reasoning behind that is.


1 & 2 are for the USB drives and 3 & 4 are for DVS.

They could have solved this by having the matrix switches they always used to fit so the audio can be rerouted.
Ragman 4:14 AM - 14 July, 2016
^^^This. Must be a reason for not going this route as it use to be a standard for Denon.
Mr Wilks 9:55 AM - 14 July, 2016
I do think they should consider bringing back the matrix. Companies seem to be moving this way and Denon away from it.

Unless there was a technical reason why they couldn't, I can't see why they ditched it. I'll send a feedback list for a MK2 model with things like this on it.
Chino 2:39 PM - 14 July, 2016
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Unless there was a technical reason why they couldn't, I can't see why they ditched it. I'll send a feedback list for a MK2 model with things like this on it.[/quote

+1. I would like to see a MK2 model include this as well. Along with …..
1. NON mirrored layout
2. Direct drive moving platters
3. Larger touch screens(with built in keyboard display for fast music searches)
4. Ability to turn off screens
5. USB 3.0 and/or Thunderbolt ports
6. CUE button brightness fixed
7. Engine improvements including sampler/beatgrid use in standalone mode & Engine needs to read more than just 44.1
8. Able to record mixes directly to USB flash drive
9. Improved Engine support for iPads
10. Bluetooth connection capabilities.

This is my Christmas list for a MK2 model. Feel free to add anything I may have missed.
DJ Marv the Maverick 10:15 PM - 14 July, 2016
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Unless there was a technical reason why they couldn't, I can't see why they ditched it. I'll send a feedback list for a MK2 model with things like this on it.[/quote

+1. I would like to see a MK2 model include this as well. Along with …..
1. NON mirrored layout
2. Direct drive moving platters
3. Larger touch screens(with built in keyboard display for fast music searches)
6. CUE button brightness fixed
7. Engine improvements including sampler/beatgrid use in standalone mode & Engine needs to read more than just 44.1


This is my Christmas list for a MK2 model. Feel free to add anything I may have missed.


Number 1 alone in MK2 and I will pre-order it.
acemc 11:49 PM - 14 July, 2016
As an easy work around for the DVS on 3&4, Serato should just give us a routing option (like Traktor).
HETTO 1:33 PM - 17 July, 2016
^^ Yeah, that doesn't sound like a complicated software fix to solve it, does it?
Ragman 1:38 PM - 17 July, 2016
That's not a software related fix. It's on the hardware side.
acemc 1:46 PM - 17 July, 2016
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That's not a software related fix. It's on the hardware side.

the hardware config stays the same, the software routes the DVS signal to decks 1 & 2 instead of 3&4 the way it is currently. So.....yes it is possible via software.
Cuervo 1:55 PM - 17 July, 2016
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That's not a software related fix. It's on the hardware side.

the hardware config stays the same, the software routes the DVS signal to decks 1 & 2 instead of 3&4 the way it is currently. So.....yes it is possible via software.


The Serato team said that they have DVS on four channels, but Denon only allows DVS on channels 3 and 4 and so Mixemergency only works on channels 1 and 3.

I am going to ask Serato if i can transfer the DVS, i can get video packs in exchange of that.
Ragman 1:57 PM - 17 July, 2016
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That's not a software related fix. It's on the hardware side.

the hardware config stays the same, the software routes the DVS signal to decks 1 & 2 instead of 3&4 the way it is currently. So.....yes it is possible via software.

Denon has limited this on their equipment, so yes it's a hardware limitation.
acemc 2:01 PM - 17 July, 2016
I promise u, it's not. You will always have to plug ur decks into ch3 & 4 on the denon, but if I can route it to decks 1 & 2 in Traktor, then serato can do the same.
Ragman 2:04 PM - 17 July, 2016
Sorry but until Serato says otherwise, I'll think I'll take their word over yours about their own software. ;-)
acemc 2:07 PM - 17 July, 2016
Just the same as serato claim we can't route audio through the software because of hardware limitations, but we can do it in all other software.
Cuervo 2:08 PM - 17 July, 2016
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I promise u, it's not. You will always have to plug ur decks into ch3 & 4 on the denon, but if I can route it to decks 1 & 2 in Traktor, then serato can do the same.


I think the solution is having channels 3 and 4 as a primary decks. Serato DJ and Mixemergency think about this... Well maybe that does not happen.

Serato video works on channels 3 and 4?
Ragman 2:15 PM - 17 July, 2016
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I promise u, it's not. You will always have to plug ur decks into ch3 & 4 on the denon, but if I can route it to decks 1 & 2 in Traktor, then serato can do the same.

If that's the case then it's probably limited via firmware which again is on the hardware. Remember first and foremost this is an SDJ controller. The firmware would not be Traktor related which is why the route is not denied.
acemc 2:18 PM - 17 July, 2016
Like I said, it's possible to route it to decks 1 & 2 in Traktor, so that rules out the bull excuses Serato gives us.
Ragman 2:31 PM - 17 July, 2016
Ahhh I see. You're letting your emotions cloud your common sense. There is no need for Serato to do this in their software as it would have ramifications on other 4 or more channel mixers. If MixEmergency also only works on chnl 3&4 that's that's further evidence that Serato is not denying this in their software. MixEmergency uses the same timecode signal as SDJ. That signal is embedded on ch 3&4 in the hardware. I'm willing to bet you can do this on chnl 1&2 if you were to use an external Serato SL2/3/4 device.
Cuervo 2:39 PM - 17 July, 2016
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Ahhh I see. You're letting your emotions cloud your common sense. There is no need for Serato to do this in their software as it would have ramifications on other 4 or more channel mixers. If MixEmergency also only works on chnl 3&4 that's that's further evidence that Serato is not denying this in their software. MixEmergency uses the same timecode signal as SDJ. That signal is embedded on ch 3&4 in the hardware. I'm willing to bet you can do this on chnl 1&2 if you were to use an external Serato SL2/3/4 device.

Mixemergency only works on channels 1 and 2 not 3 and 4.
acemc 2:45 PM - 17 July, 2016
Lol. I'm a very emotional guy.
Especially when people tell me I can't do something when I know I can. Serato are using the hardware as an excuse. Please explain how it's a hardware issue if I'm able to do it in other software?
Ragman 2:58 PM - 17 July, 2016
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[...] Please explain how it's a hardware issue if I'm able to do it in other software?

I just did ...

Here...
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I'm willing to bet you can do this on chnl 1&2 if you were to use an external Serato SL2/3/4 device.


The Traktor timecode is not embedded in a Serato controller. So using Traktor with it's audio interface is gonna work on ch 1&2 just like any DVS solution with an external soundcard would.
Ragman 3:02 PM - 17 July, 2016
Again this was done by Denon by design so that they could single out ch 1&2 as standalone only. They probably didn't anticipate this hardware decision as being a big issue.
Ragman 3:04 PM - 17 July, 2016
As mentioned above, they went away from their standard matrix design which they were popular for on their mixers.
acemc 3:29 PM - 17 July, 2016
I'm using the 8000 as a soundcard in Traktor. Not using any Traktor interfaces. I route the DVS signal from the 8000 to decks 1&2 in Traktor. If I'm not mistaken u can do this in vdj too.
Mr Wilks 4:19 PM - 17 July, 2016
I don't think the MCX8000 has hardware phono preamps as opposed to the slightly inferior software phono preamps so it can only run on the designated channels and with no routing switches it's kinda how it is I think unless they bring software RIAA preamps to the line channels?

This is the same as the Pioneer DJM 900 Nexus that only had two preamps so club kit users had two channels of DVS but the DJM 900 SRT had four channels ae they was fitted with four phono preamps.

Had Denon fitted the rotary matrix switches they used to fit a few years ago then the sound input could have been routed to any output, and while not increasing the number of phono channels, it would have allowed a more adaptable setup.

I'm going to guess there was a reason why they moved to the standard switch. Maybe the switches wasn't suitable to be doing switchovers with this unit, having USB etc? The switch in the MCX8000 is a MIDI software switch if I remember so it keeps a supply to the USB and switches to 'THRU' in Serato. Maybe a physical switch could possibly "cut" the power to the other modes was was decided against? Sortable, definitely but at what cost? Would 5% of users be happy? I know I wouldn't play a song in a club 95% of people wouldn't enjoy... but that's just theoretical and rather a silly analogy. Haha! Either way, it's all about appealing to the majority so spending on an extra feature a small percentage would use would probably get scrapped at the development stage.
Personally I'd have loved to have seen matrix switches on the unit. Maybe they'll make a reappearance on a new model? Let's hope so as we know they'll be reading this.

Maybe it just boils down to cost. These things still have to hit a price point and there has to be a cut off at some point, even if it looks trivial. In the wild, most of these controllers are more than likely never going to see a turntable and to be honest, USB is really a backseat to Serato. It's a Serato controller through and though that 'could' be used without a laptop in USB mode or with turntables so I do think by compromising with two USB and two phono inputs seems like a fair price point compromise (as some have criticised it for not having four deck USB in reviews). As DJ Worx has said time and time again... four deck mixing is not as common as the people who do it lead us to believe. They are very vocal in the comments as they are the only ones championing it but in reality four deck mixing is still a much lower percentage than traditional two deck. Just see the comments when it came out... "No four deck mixing. No go!" and "when it's got four decks on USB then I'll buy one". Really? That's stopping them? If you do four decks on a currently available controller then it will still work this way in Serato so the beef with USB only having two with USB seems silly for the few times it would be used standalone but that's my view and there's no right or wrong, just an observation. It's relatively new tech still so it's an 'extra' to have USB on these things as if it didn't even have USB on it... it would still be worth its money for the screens and construction!!!

I see these devices as a trojan horse for Engine in a way Pioneer did with Rekordbox. It currently looks (and feels) underwhelming but it's still just the start. It will slowly be pushed to the front of the stage once they've fitted to every future InMusic NS7 series controller or Mixtrack Pro. Denon Engine will be the tool to wean us off Serato in 5+ years so InMusic can cut out the Sersto licencing but currently we are looking at its first baby steps under new ownership. I've no doubt Engine will get stronger and stronger (but don't expect to see Pioneer's phenomenal growth rate as that is just a juggernaut!).

Bang for buck there's nothing else like this for the money and to get what we have for well under £1000 is great compared to the equivalent Pioneer option. There's a list of things I'd add but mine are 90% software so is more realistically achievable when hassling Denon.

This was just a post as I was bored after waking up so thought I'd write something to wake me up. It's not for or against any paticular view... just a random post from me :)
Mr Wilks 4:21 PM - 17 July, 2016
Okay that was a fail...

I think the MCX8000 has hardware phono preamps.
acemc 5:05 PM - 17 July, 2016
Sorry to carry on about this, but i have to try explain....
Why the hardware (8000) isn't preventing us from using DVS on decks 1&2.
First & foremost, remember that when using SDJ, the 8000 is purely a midi controller.
The 8000 sound card only has 4-ch in & 4-ch out. Apart from the mic's, master & booth,
The mixer is just a midi controller when used with SDJ.

The DVS signal comes from the turntable/cd player into ch's 3&4 on the 8000.
This is using the 4-ch input part of the sound card (2 channels for each deck)
Signal goes from ch's 3&4 (inputs 1,2,3,4 on sound card) into pc via usb cable.
Software gets the signal & routes it to the respective Decks.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--THIS--^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
is where the software decides which decks to route the DVS signal to, in this case 3&4.
The audio is then sent back out to the 8000 on the outputs 1,2,3,4 of the sound card.
Channel 1&2 are for the master output. Channel 3&4 are for the headphones.
There are absolutely no hardware limitations as to which decks receive the DVS signal.
The software is responsible for this. Traktor gives you routing options.
You can even use one turntable for both decks if you want.
Serato used the same excuse (hardware limitations)
for not allowing us to route vinyl through the software & use software fx on it.
If the software can get a dvs signal, it can get other (musical) audio too.
Mr Wilks 6:49 PM - 17 July, 2016
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The DVS signal comes from the turntable/cd player into ch's 3&4 on the 8000.
This is using the 4-ch input part of the sound card (2 channels for each deck)
Signal goes from ch's 3&4 (inputs 1,2,3,4 on sound card) into pc via usb cable.
Software gets the signal & routes it to the respective Decks.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--THIS--^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
is where the software decides which decks to route the DVS signal to, in this case 3&4.


Two words that are basic and of total paramount importance when using turntables. "Phono" and "Preamp".

I don't want this to sound like I'm teaching something you probably know as this is the basics of any DJ setup with turntables and has been since time began but are you aware of the way Technics work compared to a line input like CD players etc? There is a huge difference and requires hardware. That's why phono connections are clearly marked. If you ever plug in a CD player into a phono socket be prepared to hear the biggest noise ever... and I mean SPEAKER BLOWING.
They are different circuits and turntables require amplification. Without it you just wouldn't get any sound from a Technics.

So see that little switch on the back of the MCX8000 that switches between phono and line? It is controlling an amplifier inside the unit as (nearly) all turntables need a device called a "phono preamp" to bring up the level to match other sources (I mentioned this directly above). It needs special circuitry on a turntable input that Denon have included on two channels (as most mixers do!). Even high end mixers can only have just two phono channels. The Denon is no exception.

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There is. The preamps.

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Traktor gives you routing options.


It does, and so does Serato when there's 4 DVS inputs (but the MCX8000 only has 2). I have the Allen & Heath Xone 43c with 4 DVS input channels... It has FOUR DVS inputs as it can have four decks plugged in (and can route audio to different channels in the Serato setup screen).

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There's a limit of which channels can have a turntable plugged in... and that's two. No excuse. Fact.

There's a way around this and this requires a SOFTWARE PREAMP. This is the software doing the job of hardware. Is it as good? Probably for DVS yeah. Do Serato have to build it in or does Denon via firmware? I have no idea who impliments it. I'm gonna guess Denon... but for what benefit? A few users who want to switch the channels used? The percentage is too small for any business to consider. To have added four phono preamps is overkill so can see what they chose two.

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The 8000 sound card only has 4-ch in & 4-ch out. Apart from the mic's, master & booth


It's also an analogue mixer. This is why you get the turntables play standard vinyl through them like one from 20 years ago... and that requires a phono preamp. Many devices mix the music INSIDE Serato and not the controller. It's software mixed so doesn't send 4 decks/channels to the mixer. It mixes 4 channels inside Serato and sends the result down to the master. It's mixed via MIDI.

Feel free for anyone to chip in and correct me though.
Mr Wilks 6:54 PM - 17 July, 2016
Actually thinking on... Serato could maybe already offer a software preamp unless the AMX uses a standard one. I'm not sure how that works.

Could be worth finding out as Serato could maybe have a solution via software. If they don't then I wouldn't hold out for them to code it as it's just not worth it.
Mr Wilks 7:22 PM - 17 July, 2016
So to solve all this...

Dear Denon

Please consider bringring back the matrix input switches.

Best regards
Chris
acemc 8:52 PM - 17 July, 2016
Mon-Fri, I work as a technician. I totally understand the difference between line & phono.
This has nothing to do with which channels the phono pre-amp is on.
You will ALWAYS have to plug your turntables into ch's 3&4 on the back of the 8000.
However, once the DVS signal is sent to the computer, the software can assign it to ANY deck.
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so does Serato when there's 4 DVS inputs

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can route audio to different channels in the Serato setup screen

I wasn't aware of this, but...... if within the setup screen it allows you to route for example:
TT1 to Deck 4 / TT 2 to Deck 1 etc... (without physically swopping RCA's on the interface)
Well then it proves my point completely!!
I can already do this in Traktor, without a Traktor interface.
Using just the 8000's sound card, I plug my turntables into ch's 3&4.
I assign them to control decks 1&2 (or 3&4 if I want) in Traktor's preferences.
And - no problem, it works!!! There's is nothing preventing me from doing this.
I'm shocked that everyone seems to believe it's not possible?
Mr Wilks 10:34 PM - 17 July, 2016
I think it all boils down to the way the audio 'pipes' are connected. The SX could never even do DVS even though that had phono preamps in it on two channels exactly the same as the MCX. It's the same thing... hardware stops the fun.

I wasn't sure on your background so didn't know how much you knew so asked but thought it's useful information to put for people reading. It's good to know how our gear works.

I have A Traktor S8 and that has phono inputs on it but I've only ever connected it to test and never really played. It's been years since I had the Audio 8 as that was Traktor 1.

Traktor only allows approved certified licenced devices to use DVS so how did you get this to work with the MCX as I'm super interested. It can be swapped on the S8 if I remember but need to check. I'll fire it up and look.

With the four channel swapping in Serato, the primary decks can be swapped for 1&2 or 3&4. This is hardware dependant. I need to check this out but this is on devices that are hardware mixed (like the Xone 43c etc). This sends a separate audio "feed" from each deck to each channel. This sends the four DVS in with the four audio outs so Serato can patch swap internally which streams it send out. With most controllers it's mixed in software (if I remember) and you're controlling a virtual mixer inside Serato. Two DVS inputs and ONE audio sent to the master (not the faders). The faders just MIDI control an invisible "mixer" in Serato DJ. This is also how the Traktor S8 works and annoyed the hell out of me when it crashed on me as I couldn't switch over to the inbuilt hardware mixer due to software line switches. DVS appears as a "live input". If the software crashed there was no signal being sent to switch it to standalone mixer. The decks are software switched and it's all mixed in the software but only when using Traktor software.

I'm sure someone from Serato can answer but if they've already said it can't be done then it's most probably down to internal routing of audio and the way it's mixed. If it can be done then the option would be there or they would say to open a feature request and see how many more would like to see it.

If they said it can be done then I'm up for it! I just think that if they say there's a hardware limitation then there most probably is... unless they got it wrong? I've never seen this in any if the other DVS controllers before.

Personally my belief (not fact but just a theory) is that if the mixer actually managed all four streams of audio from Serato like a hardware mixer then it would be possible but they don't and the way we perceive it to work isn't how it actually works. It'seems all MIDI and mixdown audio to just left and right sent to the master.

But... that's just theory (but supports the hardware limitation statement).
Mr Wilks 10:41 PM - 17 July, 2016
Sorry. I just read how you did the Traktor thing and get it now. I thought you did it with DVS!

Swapping channel streams is what you're after which will work for audio that's generated inside (like an MP3) but can you swap a DVS input? That's the real test.

Have you any Traktor DVS certified devices to test with? Or hack the device ID so Traktor can see the MCX? That would be a good test.
Ragman 10:57 PM - 17 July, 2016
^^^This is what I was speaking to as well. DVS even in Traktor would need the audio 8 on the 8000 right?
acemc 10:58 PM - 17 July, 2016
It's with DVS.
Device ID hack: djtechtools.com
I have a cracked version of Traktor Scratch Pro, that I tested with the 8000.
Mr Wilks 11:06 PM - 17 July, 2016
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It's with DVS.
Device ID hack: djtechtools.com
I have a cracked version of Traktor Scratch Pro, that I tested with the 8000.


Ah the good old hack! Ivery never had to use it before but was always going to if needed,

They know about this but let it slide. Good on 'em!
acemc 11:10 PM - 17 July, 2016
I used the hack when I bought the DN-X1700 which wasn't supported at the time.
However, the crack that I tested it with is on an old macbook that I gave to my daughter.
I think the Traktor version is 2.8 (or something like that) - its quite old.
Mr Wilks 11:24 PM - 17 July, 2016
Did they ever patch it? I'm on the latest 2.9 or something.
acemc 11:30 PM - 17 July, 2016
Not sure if they patched the newer versions.
I just checked the version on my old mac is 2.6.8 - not 2.8.
I'll try take a screenshot tomorrow,
then you'll be able to see better what I'm trying to explain.
Mr Wilks 12:23 AM - 18 July, 2016
Yeah definitely.

I checked the S8 and that has 4x phono inputs on it so can't test with two. Would be interesting to see what happens if you assign a DVS input to deck 3 and 4 and play audio though it. It may allow it to be selected... but will audio pass through?

Under Traktor I'm guessing as you can map the ins/outs you'll be using the full 4 in/4 out of the sound card as it's a third party controller but have a sneaky suspicion in Serato it will be using a software based mix. However, NI's own controllers use the Serato method of software mixing too,

As it's a hex hack then I wonder if a byproduct of that is that it just reports the device as a 4 input DVS device? Like a mixer would? Therefore it would be swappable. Would be interesting to see if audio comes down each channel. The hardware preamps won't report anything to the software so the software wouldn't know which channel they are on. This would mean you could switch them about but unsure if audio would come through. I wonder how Virtual DJ or Rekordbox would do it. No hack needed for DVS on these as they work like Traktor where you assign ins/outs.

I'm up for finding out. Grab a video as it will explain more.
HETTO 6:40 PM - 18 July, 2016
I can also confirm it can be done; on DJ Player Pro iOS I can use the 2 DVS inputs on any of the 4 decks of DJPP with the 8000. All decks can get TT1, TT2 or off, so you can also control multiple decks with one TT (even at the same time).
Cuervo 6:55 PM - 18 July, 2016
Serato
Hi there,

Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry, I should clarify, Denon does decide what hardware connections the device will have but unfortunately in this case as you mentioned Serato DJ does not allow you to designate primary decks for control in the software. This is a known issue and one that isn't hugely common amongst our hardware partners. I have relayed this issue to our development team so they can continue to work on a fix for this.
If you like, it's also worth dropping a comment in the forum for new feature suggestions as our developers do look there for user feedback on the most important bugs/features to work on. You can find that forum here

serato.com

Lets +1 this so we can get the option to choose what channels to use as a primary decks.
HETTO 7:03 PM - 18 July, 2016
But there's another inconsistency with SDJ/8000, if I'm not mistaken. Or is this fixed?
Video can be ch 1 and 2 only is SDJ, is that correct? So, I've read someone say quite a while ago it would have made sense to have the two Enigine USB channels on 3 and 4. Or, SDJ should allow video on 3 and 4 as well..

This is not a concern for me atm as I never used video when mixing. But, I'm quite sure I will be going to use Stagelinq/Soundswitch. Or at least have a go at it.

I see quite some people talk about the MK2 version of the 8000. But I don't want to buy a new unit - I Just did!! So, I'd love to see all possible (software) improvements of the integration happen for this MCX8000, please. ;-).

It's already close enough to perfection for me as I don't really need better/different platters, for example..
HETTO 7:34 PM - 18 July, 2016
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Lets +1 this so we can get the option to choose what channels to use as a primary decks.


Done!
acemc 9:00 PM - 18 July, 2016
I just made a quick video showing that the 8000 is capable of routing DVS to decks A&B.
This is really just to put a final nail in the coffin of Serato's 'hardware limitation' excuse.
I don't have the Traktor TC vinyl, so I just 'made do' with my Serato vinyl instead.
youtu.be
It's clear there's really nothing preventing Serato from giving us a routing option like this.
And although I forgot to do it in the video, by selecting the 'live input' on each deck, you can actually play your vinyl through the software and use fx on it too.
DJ Marv the Maverick 10:04 PM - 18 July, 2016
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I just made a quick video showing that the 8000 is capable of routing DVS to decks A&B.
This is really just to put a final nail in the coffin of Serato's 'hardware limitation' excuse.
I don't have the Traktor TC vinyl, so I just 'made do' with my Serato vinyl instead.
youtu.be
It's clear there's really nothing preventing Serato from giving us a routing option like this.
And although I forgot to do it in the video, by selecting the 'live input' on each deck, you can actually play your vinyl through the software and use fx on it too.


Thats how you bust a myth.

Good job.

I don't have the 8000 just tracked the thread for educational purposes 👍
djbrulafu 11:42 PM - 18 July, 2016
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I just made a quick video showing that the 8000 is capable of routing DVS to decks A&B.
This is really just to put a final nail in the coffin of Serato's 'hardware limitation' excuse.
I don't have the Traktor TC vinyl, so I just 'made do' with my Serato vinyl instead.
youtu.be
It's clear there's really nothing preventing Serato from giving us a routing option like this.
And although I forgot to do it in the video, by selecting the 'live input' on each deck, you can actually play your vinyl through the software and use fx on it too.


Very nice. Good work.

I have my turntables away being serviced, but was wondering, what is the total width of the set up, with both tts and the 8000 - Im trying to figure out what size of table I should get.

Cheers
acemc 11:52 PM - 18 July, 2016
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Thats how you bust a myth.

Good job.

Thanks, it really grinds me that Serato takes us for a bunch of fools.
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Very nice. Good work.

I have my turntables away being serviced, but was wondering, what is the total width of the set up, with both tts and the 8000 - Im trying to figure out what size of table I should get.

Cheers

Thanks.
My decks are in battle mode next to the 8000 to try reduce the size a bit.
From left to right it measures 1.5 metres.
Cuervo 12:12 AM - 19 July, 2016
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Thats how you bust a myth.

Good job.

Thanks, it really grinds me that Serato takes us for a bunch of fools.
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Very nice. Good work.

I have my turntables away being serviced, but was wondering, what is the total width of the set up, with both tts and the 8000 - Im trying to figure out what size of table I should get.

Cheers

Thanks.
My decks are in battle mode next to the 8000 to try reduce the size a bit.
From left to right it measures 1.5 metres.


The guy from Mixemergency told me that Serato can give us the option to choose what channels use as a primary decks, maybe they dont want to do that... Serato Video works on channels 3 and 4? If thats the case well...
Chino 1:03 AM - 19 July, 2016
Has anyone tried running their MCx8000 with SDJ 1.9.1 and the NEW version of El Capitan(10.11.6) yet? I need to make sure that it's safe to upgrade to the new El Capitan version.
Chino 10:26 PM - 22 July, 2016
Another build of Public beta SDJ 1.9.2(6551) is now available. Check it out! GREAT improvements to stability, audio distortion and audio dropouts!!
Ragman 11:14 PM - 22 July, 2016
Good deal ... I'll be checking it out this weekend.
Cuervo 1:24 PM - 23 July, 2016
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Another build of Public beta SDJ 1.9.2(6551) is now available. Check it out! GREAT improvements to stability, audio distortion and audio dropouts!!


Hey Chino, where can i find that beta version?
acemc 1:45 PM - 23 July, 2016
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Hey Chino, where can i find that beta version?

serato.com
Chino 3:03 PM - 26 July, 2016
It's been very quiet over at Denon DJ. I hope all the silence means that Denon is working on a new firmware update to fix the CUE button brightness and finally integrate Stagelinq. We definitely need more info on Stagelinq. I also hope Denon is hard at work building a new official Denon DJ forum. It's long over due!!
BombedAlley 2:35 PM - 28 July, 2016
Hi everyone, first thanks to all the guys that come here and share their experience with all of us. So now i got a question, am i able to use the usb pen in all the MCx8000 4 channels? Can i play 4 channels at once just running my tracks on a usb? I ask this because i can only see Engine in channels 2 and 3. Are we supposed to use Serato in the other 2 channels? Maybe its a stupid question since we are at a serato forum but theres few info i could get on internet bout this issue.
djbrulafu 3:05 PM - 28 July, 2016
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Hi everyone, first thanks to all the guys that come here and share their experience with all of us. So now i got a question, am i able to use the usb pen in all the MCx8000 4 channels? Can i play 4 channels at once just running my tracks on a usb? I ask this because i can only see Engine in channels 2 and 3. Are we supposed to use Serato in the other 2 channels? Maybe its a stupid question since we are at a serato forum but theres few info i could get on internet bout this issue.


The middle two channels are for the USB stick, the outside two will be for serato or other line inputs
Chino 3:07 PM - 28 July, 2016
^^^ @ BombedAlley… The standalone USB function works on channel 1 and 2 . SDJ & DVS works on channel 3 and 4. A feature request has been made to be able to use all 4 channels with the USB standalone mode. Hopefully a MK2 version will include this feature. For now you can use all 4 channels with SDJ or two channels with Engine (USB) and two channels with SDJ.
BombedAlley 3:40 PM - 28 July, 2016
Well, thanks for ur answer guys. I guess ill wait for that MK2 version then, if it ever comes out that way.
DJ BroMoney 7:27 PM - 30 July, 2016
Really interested in picking this up as my first Serato controller, but is everyone reporting issues with the Pitch fader? (first step increment is +/- .01, next step is +/- .15, repeating)
Chino 10:12 PM - 30 July, 2016
^^^@ DJ BroMoney... Public beta SDJ 1.9.2 has a specific bug fix that addresses the MCx8000 Pitch issue. Improvements to the jerky wave forms, stability and audio distortion have also been made. Check out the release notes. It's a rather long list of fixes and overall improvements.
Mr Wilks 11:17 AM - 31 July, 2016
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Really interested in picking this up as my first Serato controller, but is everyone reporting issues with the Pitch fader? (first step increment is +/- .01, next step is +/- .15, repeating)


This is an issue currently. De non are aware of it so let's hope for a fix.
DJ BroMoney 4:46 PM - 31 July, 2016
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^^^@ DJ BroMoney... Public beta SDJ 1.9.2 has a specific bug fix that addresses the MCx8000 Pitch issue. Improvements to the jerky wave forms, stability and audio distortion have also been made. Check out the release notes. It's a rather long list of fixes and overall improvements.


I haven't seen it quoted in the release notes, only mentions relative pitch using the shift button.
Mr Wilks 6:06 PM - 31 July, 2016
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^^^@ DJ BroMoney... Public beta SDJ 1.9.2 has a specific bug fix that addresses the MCx8000 Pitch issue. Improvements to the jerky wave forms, stability and audio distortion have also been made. Check out the release notes. It's a rather long list of fixes and overall improvements.


I haven't seen it quoted in the release notes, only mentions relative pitch using the shift button.


Yeah, disengagement of the pitch when holding shift is what's in 1.9.2 so I'm hoping for a fix with the coarse pitch resolution at some point.
DJ BroMoney 8:07 PM - 31 July, 2016
That is a pretty huge issue that Denon seems to be dodging for a flagship controller. $200 serato controllers can manage fine pitch increments but a $1300 one can't? I wonder if this same issue persists using Engine.
DJ JuVi 9:29 PM - 31 July, 2016
I find it pretty irritating that there's no response from denon reps although they're active on the board.
acemc 10:21 AM - 1 August, 2016
The pitch issue is really an eye sore more than anything else,
I find I can mix perfectly even though deck A is 128bpm & deck B is 127.92 etc...
It does bug me though, espescially because if I spend some time gently touching the pitch fader up & down, I can eventually get them to match. It's just a ball-ache I don't have time for.
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I wonder if this same issue persists using Engine.

Engine doesn't have a .01 pitch resolution so you can't really tell (via the screen anyway).
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I'm hoping for a fix with the coarse pitch resolution at some point.

I presume you mean 'fine' pitch resolution.
Mr Wilks 11:09 AM - 1 August, 2016
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I presume you mean 'fine' pitch resolution.


Oops. I meant I hoping for a fix with the current coarse pitch resolution.

I was tired Haha!

I get a lot of drift as I run looped parts of tracks over a long period of time so just use sync now but shouldn't have to. I can mix fine over shorter periods but feels like wow & flutter after a minute or two and the deck require a little nudge.

They've gone very quiet after the initial launch which is a shame. I guess the Stagelinq software will be dropping sometime in the next month or two as they said around summer. My guess is there will be a firmware update around that time so hoping there's some issues being worked on currently.
acemc 11:24 AM - 1 August, 2016
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I get a lot of drift as I run looped parts of tracks over a long period of time

I agree, if I do a long mix I do have to constantly nudge the deck.
I don't normally do long mixes, so for me in general, it seems ok.
But for guys like yourself & perhaps trance dj's etc, this is a really big issue.
It's a problem that needs to be sorted out.
I'm praying for:
MCX8000 Firmware update to sort out the cue led's.
Engine update to allow for manual grid editing.
SeratoDJ update to resolve fine pitch adjustment.
Serato Remote update to give stacked waveform's & library view.
Then I'll be in a happy place.
GusGomez 4:13 PM - 1 August, 2016
I have a question I can't seem to find the answer to, can I disable needle search on this unit I have touched it by mistake like 4 times when activating the FX's
skinnyguy 4:54 PM - 1 August, 2016
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I have a question I can't seem to find the answer to, can I disable needle search on this unit I have touched it by mistake like 4 times when activating the FX's


IKR!?!?!?
acemc 6:15 PM - 1 August, 2016
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I have a question I can't seem to find the answer to, can I disable needle search on this unit I have touched it by mistake like 4 times when activating the FX's

There is a setting in SDJ to disable it while the deck is playing or alternatively use it while the deck is playing with the use of the 'shift' button
GusGomez 6:16 PM - 1 August, 2016
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I have a question I can't seem to find the answer to, can I disable needle search on this unit I have touched it by mistake like 4 times when activating the FX's

There is a setting in SDJ to disable it while the deck is playing or alternatively use it while the deck is playing with the use of the 'shift' button

Hmmm I was looking for this and couldn't find it.
acemc 6:28 PM - 1 August, 2016
In the setup, under 'Dj Preferences'
Disable needle search.
GusGomez 6:31 PM - 1 August, 2016
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In the setup, under 'Dj Preferences'
Disable needle search.

Awesome thanks! I'll check it out when I get home
Atramental 2:39 PM - 4 August, 2016
Morning all. Anyone run into issue where the Screen on the MCX8000 lock up? THe knobs work and still scroll through seraot crates, load tracks etc on the laptop screen...but on the MCX the screens are frozen to a track and playlist. Also randomly sometimes a bunch of static comes through the soundcard...it starts low and increases, and a quick powercycle of the MCX fixes it...but it's rather odd. I'm running Serato 1.9.x and have the latest firmware on the MCX.

Thanks!
Mr Wilks 5:06 PM - 4 August, 2016
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Morning all. Anyone run into issue where the Screen on the MCX8000 lock up? THe knobs work and still scroll through seraot crates, load tracks etc on the laptop screen...but on the MCX the screens are frozen to a track and playlist. Also randomly sometimes a bunch of static comes through the soundcard...it starts low and increases, and a quick powercycle of the MCX fixes it...but it's rather odd. I'm running Serato 1.9.x and have the latest firmware on the MCX.

Thanks!


I've had the static. I just did a factory reset in the MCX menu and it never did it again.

I had the screens lock up (well one side) on a Windows PC when I first got it but never on the Mac (after three months).
acemc 9:01 AM - 5 August, 2016
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Anyone run into issue where the Screen on the MCX8000 lock up?

Are you by any chance using the usb hub on the back of the unit?
I had this issue whenever I plugged something into the usb hub on the back of the 8000.
I returned the unit as both Serato & Denon came to the conclusion the unit was faulty.
I hardly ever use external drives etc, so not a really big deal for me.
The new unit seemed to work fine, but about a week in I plugged in my external drive,
and... .....it started doing it again :( I've given up trying to resolve the issue.
No one on this forum seems to have experienced it, so I just don't plug anything into the hub.
Haven't experienced the static though - try adjusting SDJ latency (perhaps it's drop-out).
Mr Wilks 11:36 AM - 5 August, 2016
The statistics is a weird one. It sounds like the track is slowly distorting over time (six hours for me).

I had to knock the latency setting up once an hour to get around it until the end of my set I was at the maximum 20 ms. I could hear it creeping in and got worse around the hour point. Someone sent their unit back in this thread but I found a factory reset sorted it. It's only ever done it once but it was once too many as it was a big gig.

It was definitely a latency thing but not in a way where it was a fixed issue. It would be introduced over time and didn't stop, even when at maximum. It's like it was equivalent to a memory leak but in sound terms.

Thankfully the factory reset sorted it. There's only a few options to set back up once reset too.
Mr Wilks 11:36 AM - 5 August, 2016
*static
Chino 4:26 PM - 6 August, 2016
I had my first freeze up running SDJ 1.9.2 on OSX 10.11.5(El Capitan). The right deck of my MCx8000 would not allow me to load or play a song. I had to completely shut down SDJ. The freeze happened at about a half hour into a set. I did have Pitch N' Time engaged. Hopefully this is just a one time issue. It hasn't happened since.


mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (El Capitan)
DJ Gugge 5:58 PM - 6 August, 2016
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Morning all. Anyone run into issue where the Screen on the MCX8000 lock up? THe knobs work and still scroll through seraot crates, load tracks etc on the laptop screen...but on the MCX the screens are frozen to a track and playlist. Also randomly sometimes a bunch of static comes through the soundcard...it starts low and increases, and a quick powercycle of the MCX fixes it...but it's rather odd. I'm running Serato 1.9.x and have the latest firmware on the MCX.

Thanks!


Yes, I have the same issue with my macbook pro from 2011 (USB 2 ports), works better with one of the two USB port than the other. With my Macbook 2012 it work OK. After talk with Serato Support they mention a know issue with Macbook and some models regarding one of the two usb port work better than the other.

/Gugge
DJ Gugge 6:03 PM - 6 August, 2016
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Really interested in picking this up as my first Serato controller, but is everyone reporting issues with the Pitch fader? (first step increment is +/- .01, next step is +/- .15, repeating)


This topic was up on the public Beta 1.9.2, and the MIDI output log show a FW issue in Denon MCX8000 that does not send out correct MIDI value.

serato.com

I have open a ticket to Denon DJ also on this, but nothing good answer if they has been able to confirm. So all that have this topic also open ticket to Denon DJ so they fix this issue with a new FW.
DJ BroMoney 6:12 PM - 6 August, 2016
No guarantee that they'll put out a new firmware update fixing the issue, especially because they have yet to respond on their end. Huge red flag imo
DJ Gugge 6:22 PM - 6 August, 2016
The more people that complain and open ticket against Denon DJ support also will hopefully help them to understand that people have complains about the product.
d:raf 6:39 PM - 6 August, 2016
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Morning all. Anyone run into issue where the Screen on the MCX8000 lock up? THe knobs work and still scroll through seraot crates, load tracks etc on the laptop screen...but on the MCX the screens are frozen to a track and playlist. Also randomly sometimes a bunch of static comes through the soundcard...it starts low and increases, and a quick powercycle of the MCX fixes it...but it's rather odd. I'm running Serato 1.9.x and have the latest firmware on the MCX.

Thanks!


Yes, I have the same issue with my macbook pro from 2011 (USB 2 ports), works better with one of the two USB port than the other. With my Macbook 2012 it work OK. After talk with Serato Support they mention a know issue with Macbook and some models regarding one of the two usb port work better than the other.

/Gugge


Yeah, that's an old "quirk" I had to get used to on my 2010 & 2011 back in the Itch days too. You'll have to go into your system profile, look at the usb tab and plug the Denon into the port that does NOT have the camera and Trackpad on it too (on mine the safe port is the rear one).
markzg 8:34 AM - 7 August, 2016
i see that many of you have sound problems with this controller..static noise of mcx8000 is just unreal..Denon needs to fix this asap,cuz controller is unusable..i can live with many software problems (i hope they are software issue) this unit have (cue buttons brightness,dislay freez,pitch problem,engine problem) but with sound problem NO WAY..

2 and half freaking monts have passed since I bought mcx8000 and new firmware (1.3) is still not out..

I really like mcx,but if Denon doesn't release new firmware that will fix sound problem in the nex 2 weeks, I will demand my money back..

I am sick of that SHI*!!
DJ_Dad 2:16 PM - 7 August, 2016
I have had the issue where the displays get "stuck". I have seen both where they were locked on a previous song and sometimes even still showed the track in motion as well as just not moving at all. All the knobs still worked fine.

I had static on 2ms setting in serato, but moving it to 5ms cleared it up. I did a 5 hour gig without static.

Just to add some positives here. The sound quality of the outputs and the mic inputs is excellent. I had a SX2 before this and compared them side by side and noticed a difference. For me , sound quality is something I feel is a HUGE part of getting everyone involved with the music. This controller improved that part of the chain. The whole mixer section as a whole has the quality of a good stand-alone mixer. This was actually one of the main reasons I bought this controller and it doesn't seem to be getting as much attention as it should.

If Denon can clean up a couple of loose edges then I personally feel this is easily the best controller on the market today.
Chino 3:30 PM - 7 August, 2016
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The whole mixer section as a whole has the quality of a good stand-alone mixer. This was actually one of the main reasons I bought this controller and it doesn't seem to be getting as much attention as it should.


You made a good point about the mixer. It is one of the reasons I bought the MCx8000 too. The mixer is spacious and well laid out.
markzg 3:38 PM - 7 August, 2016
i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect
Mr Wilks 5:51 PM - 7 August, 2016
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If Denon can clean up a couple of loose edges then I personally feel this is easily the best controller on the market today.


THIS.

It's a brilliant controller and one that is't really rivalled for the money at the moment. I've no doubt there will be a firmware update soon to tie in with the impending StageLinq software so it's just a case in seeing what has been changed. Engine is part of a much bigger plan for Denon (think Rekordbox) so it will get better... it just depends on how fast. Yeah it's a slow road for development, but so was Rekordbox when it first arrived. It's really this last 12 months where Pioneer have just smashed it.

I'm not holding my breath for the cue button lights as I just don't know if they can be changed (could be hardware but who knows?) but the pitch resolution should definitely be a fixable thing.

This is a first proper controller for Engine, and can imagine most new units will have a USB port on them too, so it's just the start. We was first adopters with it so looking back in 5 years time and seeing the change will be the true challenge. They are behind with development as they just left Engine as it was. To be fair, for the players they had out it didn't need to do too much more. It was a library management tool and that's it. The controller world is in a different place now so let's just see where this goes. With Numark using it as their 'premium' brand to rival pioneer you can bet a pound/dollar/euro that they won't sit idle while Pioneer cleans up. they need to have competition and Denon really is the only brand to offer that currently, along with Allen & Heath.
Mr Wilks 5:52 PM - 7 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!
Ragman 2:28 AM - 8 August, 2016
Just to clear up something. Numark does not own Denon. Numark and Denon are owned by InMusic.
markzg 7:49 AM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present
Mr Wilks 11:54 AM - 8 August, 2016
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Just to clear up something. Numark does not own Denon. Numark and Denon are owned by InMusic.


I'm fully aware of this and all my previous posts have refered to InMusic as the parent. That was a one-off slip up as it was Numark who do all the back of house stuff regarding support and press releases. I was running on little sleep...
Mr Wilks 11:58 AM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present


Could be a faulty in it then. Mine was fixed with a reset but then again it only did it once so couldn't be sure if it was a one off or if the factory reset sorted it.

It's never come back and it get used four times a week since launch so assumed it was the reset that fixed it. It only seems to be when using Serato though... not standalone.

Definitely see what Denon say (or Numark if you're in the UK).
Scooter Jackson 6:41 PM - 8 August, 2016
I had an issue with Engine software crashing because of an external drive. It was exponentially quicker to call tech support than email.
markzg 8:16 PM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present


Could be a faulty in it then. Mine was fixed with a reset but then again it only did it once so couldn't be sure if it was a one off or if the factory reset sorted it.

It's never come back and it get used four times a week since launch so assumed it was the reset that fixed it. It only seems to be when using Serato though... not standalone.

Definitely see what Denon say (or Numark if you're in the UK).


this is what i have Watchvimeo.com
Mr Wilks 8:33 PM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present


Could be a faulty in it then. Mine was fixed with a reset but then again it only did it once so couldn't be sure if it was a one off or if the factory reset sorted it.

It's never come back and it get used four times a week since launch so assumed it was the reset that fixed it. It only seems to be when using Serato though... not standalone.

Definitely see what Denon say (or Numark if you're in the UK).


this is what i have Watchvimeo.com


After hearing the first week seconds of that I can confirm is exactly what I had.

I could hear mine over the system at 2ms so increased to 5ms. This was okay for an hour before I could hear it again so went up to 10ms. An hour later it had kept back in so went up to 20ms. I was on maximum by the end of the night.

I hit the factory reset button in the MCX utility once the night was over and I've never heard it again.

What version of firmware and Serato is it? The latest? Are you on El Cap? I am on it and keep them updated.

It's a latency issue by the sounds of it. Try increasing it in Serato until you can't hear it then keep playing and see if you can hear it slowly come back after an hour.
Mr Wilks 8:33 PM - 8 August, 2016
**first few seconds
djbrulafu 11:17 PM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present


Could be a faulty in it then. Mine was fixed with a reset but then again it only did it once so couldn't be sure if it was a one off or if the factory reset sorted it.

It's never come back and it get used four times a week since launch so assumed it was the reset that fixed it. It only seems to be when using Serato though... not standalone.

Definitely see what Denon say (or Numark if you're in the UK).


this is what i have Watchvimeo.com


After hearing the first week seconds of that I can confirm is exactly what I had.

I could hear mine over the system at 2ms so increased to 5ms. This was okay for an hour before I could hear it again so went up to 10ms. An hour later it had kept back in so went up to 20ms. I was on maximum by the end of the night.

I hit the factory reset button in the MCX utility once the night was over and I've never heard it again.

What version of firmware and Serato is it? The latest? Are you on El Cap? I am on it and keep them updated.

It's a latency issue by the sounds of it. Try increasing it in Serato until you can't hear it then keep playing and see if you can hear it slowly come back after an hour.


This is exactly what I had after about 6 hours of playing (to be fair the first few hours were just background tunes), its unfortunate as had I not played them or even switched the unit off before hand, I'd never have heard it. But yes, I had this and it was almost like the music was coming to a stop. I've done a factory reset, but I've not tried it again. Maybe I'll do it this weekend when Im in the house all weekend.
djbrulafu 11:27 PM - 8 August, 2016
Just out of curiosity - it wouldnt be related to this at all.

Im not sure if I had any browers open in the background to be honest.

serato.com
Mr Wilks 11:28 PM - 8 August, 2016
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i have static noise in range from 2-20ms.. only when i am playing in standalone mode everything is perfect


This sounds the Issue I had.

A factory reset on the controller (via menu) sorted it and it never came back. Give it a shot!



I did factory reset 50 times,and noise is still present


Could be a faulty in it then. Mine was fixed with a reset but then again it only did it once so couldn't be sure if it was a one off or if the factory reset sorted it.

It's never come back and it get used four times a week since launch so assumed it was the reset that fixed it. It only seems to be when using Serato though... not standalone.

Definitely see what Denon say (or Numark if you're in the UK).


this is what i have Watchvimeo.com


After hearing the first week seconds of that I can confirm is exactly what I had.

I could hear mine over the system at 2ms so increased to 5ms. This was okay for an hour before I could hear it again so went up to 10ms. An hour later it had kept back in so went up to 20ms. I was on maximum by the end of the night.

I hit the factory reset button in the MCX utility once the night was over and I've never heard it again.

What version of firmware and Serato is it? The latest? Are you on El Cap? I am on it and keep them updated.

It's a latency issue by the sounds of it. Try increasing it in Serato until you can't hear it then keep playing and see if you can hear it slowly come back after an hour.


This is exactly what I had after about 6 hours of playing (to be fair the first few hours were just background tunes), its unfortunate as had I not played them or even switched the unit off before hand, I'd never have heard it. But yes, I had this and it was almost like the music was coming to a stop. I've done a factory reset, but I've not tried it again. Maybe I'll do it this weekend when Im in the house all weekend.


Definitely. I never had it again after the reset but it worked for me.

Mine was a 6 hour gig in a club (a residency) and it was around once an hour where I had to increase the buffer.

At the end of my set I'd run out of buffer so glad it was the end of the night!
Mr Wilks 11:31 PM - 8 August, 2016
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Just out of curiosity - it wouldnt be related to this at all.

Im not sure if I had any browers open in the background to be honest.

serato.com


This is a slightly different situation, but with a similar result. This is where the track ends with PnT on it will introduce high CPU and distortion. It's a pretty similar symptoms though.
djbrulafu 11:54 PM - 8 August, 2016
Im wondering if it is still PnT thats affecting it as I would have had it on for the night.

It seemed to be happening at the start of a track, but thinking about it, I would have had the other track still playing out and finishing whilst mixing the new track in (Im quite bad for leaving the finished track still go round and round).

Hmmmm...something to keep in mind when I give it a test.
Mr Wilks 11:57 PM - 8 August, 2016
Definitely worth thinking as it could be. It's something that was introduced in 1.9.2 from what i can gather so if that's the version you're on then it maybe it.

A fix will be out soon.
markzg 6:54 AM - 9 August, 2016
i am sure that this sound problem is not coming out cuz of serato.. I have el cap m my mac,latest version..
the problem is in usb..when you connect denon throw mac/win notebook you will get static noise..

numark ns7 series had the same problem,and I think they fixed that out after 6 months. some other people say that problem with numark and sound distorsion was fixed via thunderbult-usb connector that u can find in some stores,and that connector is 80$.

so my Q is: does any of you have that connector and can you test it out??
djbrulafu 7:00 AM - 9 August, 2016
I heard about this too. Unfortunately I don't have a connector. I'll ask and see if some of the guys I know do. They might.

Isn't there a preferred usb to plug into (ie the one without the trackpad attached to it). I'm not sure which one that is. Is it the one next to the power or the one next to the hdmi port
Mr Wilks 7:24 AM - 9 August, 2016
Well when it does it next, switch it over to Engine mode and you'll notice there's no distortion.

As I've only had it once I'll guess it's not the issue with the newer Macs and USB ports as my Mac is a 2012.

That issue affects recent Macs IIRC?
djbrulafu 7:30 AM - 9 August, 2016
(make sure I bring usb sticks next time lol)

I'll let it run all day this weekend and see what happens

I'll report back
DJ Gugge 8:16 AM - 9 August, 2016
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so my Q is: does any of you have that connector and can you test it out??


I have, and on my Macbook Early 2011 (2.2 GHz I7) it get worse using that. But I guess also that it is an old thunderbolt port on this macbook.

I never had experience with sound distorsion before I tested with the Thunderbolt->USB3 converter. But I have the problem that the external Display stop working when I use USB and have the USB buffer under 10 ms.

Can the people that have problem list what Macbook Pro model they use to se if this is Model specific (older that have USB 2 ports as my early 2011 have) or if the problem also exist on Macbook Mid 2015 or Late 2014 with lots better chipset for the USB.
Also list what USB buffer settings they use.

/Gugge
DJ Gugge 8:27 AM - 9 August, 2016
I use Macbook pro 15" early 2011 with USB 2 ports, 2,2GHz I7 with 8GB Memory 1TB SSD.
Spare Macbook Pro is 13 late 2012 USB 3 ports 2.2GHz I7, 8GB memory and 1TB SSD. (that model work 100% as it should with MCX 8000).

USB buffer settings 10ms work if I use one of the USB ports (the trick mention above in this discussion to test what port that works best).

I have verify this settings over 5h that it works, both live gigs and at home let serato goes in autoplay).

I can reproduce the problem if I lower the USB buffer settings to 5ms of lower or using the other USB port.

I'm about to order a new Macbook pro, but I just now waiting for the 2016 or early 2017 model to be released (probably late this year or early 2017).

/Gugge
Chino 3:14 PM - 9 August, 2016
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Can the people that have problem list what Macbook Pro model they use to se if this is Model specific (older that have USB 2 ports as my early 2011 have) or if the problem also exist on Macbook Mid 2015 or Late 2014 with lots better chipset for the USB.
Also list what USB buffer settings they use.


The distortion issue is not model specific. The issues lies in the amount of midi info(bandwidth) that USB ports can support efficiently. The screens on the MCx8000 put additional strain on your computer's CPU. Raising the USB latency will help combat the distortion. As Wilks mentioned above, it's a good idea to start at 5ms latency and increase throughout the night if the distortion creeps back in. Lowering the Max Screen Refresh Rate in SDJ to 20 or 30ms will also help. Since receiving my replacement controller, I can run at 5ms during a 5 hour gig without distortion. I have a 2.6 i7quad core processor. Lower spec computers (i3 & i5) may struggle to process all the MIDI info.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan)
Chino 3:29 PM - 9 August, 2016
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numark ns7 series had the same problem,and I think they fixed that out after 6 months. some other people say that problem with numark and sound distorsion was fixed via thunderbult-usb connector that u can find in some stores,and that connector is 80$.


^^^ That is the reason why I did not buy a NS7II or NS7III. Numark is great at innovating BUT very poor at implementation!! There is no way that a customer should need to purchase an additional $80 adapter to get a $1500 controller to work as it is advertised. Denon is now owned by inMusic (the parent company of Numark, Denon DJ, Akai & now Rane). I hope inMusic adopts RANE & Denon's quality control and great customer service!!
djrobmac1 4:18 PM - 9 August, 2016
Apologies if this is simple but is there any way when running engine you can put the tracks in BPM order?
Chino 5:12 PM - 9 August, 2016
^^^ @djrobmac1…. In the Engine USB standalone mode, you can select a BPM range but it doesn't put the songs in BPM order like SDJ does. That is a great feature request for Engine though.
djrobmac1 5:16 PM - 9 August, 2016
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^^^ @djrobmac1…. In the Engine USB standalone mode, you can select a BPM range but it doesn't put the songs in BPM order like SDJ does. That is a great feature request for Engine though.


Wow, how dumb.
markzg 6:57 PM - 9 August, 2016
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numark ns7 series had the same problem,and I think they fixed that out after 6 months. some other people say that problem with numark and sound distorsion was fixed via thunderbult-usb connector that u can find in some stores,and that connector is 80$.


^^^ That is the reason why I did not buy a NS7II or NS7III. Numark is great at innovating BUT very poor at implementation!! There is no way that a customer should need to purchase an additional $80 adapter to get a $1500 controller to work as it is advertised. Denon is now owned by inMusic (the parent company of Numark, Denon DJ, Akai & now Rane). I hope inMusic adopts RANE & Denon's quality control and great customer service!!



@Chino maybe the sound problem is coming out cuz of el cap on my mac,maybe i need to instal 10.8.5 iOS

PS. tonight my friend is mixing with my denon,and it is working with his laptop (win10)

he told me he can hear sound poping throw the headphones,but sound coming out via speaker is fine.

so my Q is do you have poping sound problem in the headphones with your new denon unit??
Chino 7:15 PM - 9 August, 2016
^^^@ Markzg I don"t have any popping/distortion coming out of my headphones or master outputs on my new replacement MCx8000. The first MCX8000 I was sent did have distortion issues due to a faulty unit.

I have had 1 issues running OSX 10.11.5 (EL Capitan) where SDJ froze on the right side of my controller. I could not play or load a song up. I shut down and re-opened SDJ and that cleared it up. That being said, many people have reported issues with OSX 10.11x thru 10.11.3. I would recommend partitioning your hard drive and run Yosemite. I have my HD partitioned with OSX 10.8.5 because I still use SSL on a regular bases.
markzg 7:31 PM - 9 August, 2016
does anybody other have popping sound throw headphones?? i am using 1/4 jack m pioneer cdj c70
Mr Wilks 8:34 PM - 9 August, 2016
No popping on Win 10 or El Cap Mac.

There's so many variables though I wouldn't know where to start. Machine/OS/Settings.
Chino 1:06 AM - 10 August, 2016
Special Thanks to Serato for releasing a new 1.9.2 build (latest version should be 192(7280). This fixes a specific pitch/distortion issue.
DJ Gugge 4:48 AM - 10 August, 2016
Hmmm release an updated version of a public release without change the official release version?
The release note is still dated 2 of aug, so no official note what is different from the public build that was released 2 of aug and the one that is posted on the web 10 of aug?

Is this the normal way Serato hands out hotfixes? To just put out a new build with the same version number and no official note what the new build fix?
Chino 2:20 PM - 10 August, 2016
Explaination is in the below link:
serato.com

1.9.2(6851) was released first but an additional bug fix was included in SDJ 1.9.2(7280)
Chino 2:29 PM - 10 August, 2016
QUOTE "Hi Djleokar, we've discovered an issue with the 1.9.2 versions (in the official release as well) where if the the playhead passes the end of the track with Pitch 'n Time DJ enabled and then pauses (by stopping the deck, or by the deck auto-pause at 5 seconds after the track end), Pitch 'n Time DJ will continue to try and calculate audio even though the deck has stopped. This will cause a massive spike in CPU usage and most likely cause dropouts or bad audio quality."

^^^ SDJ 1.9.2(7280) fixes this bug.
acemc 3:34 PM - 10 August, 2016
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Explaination is in the below link:
serato.com

1.9.2(6851) was released first but an additional bug fix was included in SDJ 1.9.2(7280)

Thanks for the info & Link Chino.
I wasn't aware of this update at all.
You'd think Serato would "ANNOUNCE" it to make sure everyone knows what's going on.
I guess I shouldn't moan, at least they're taking care of things.
Thank you Team Serato.
skinnyguy 5:15 PM - 10 August, 2016
right? i wouldn't have known about this if i didn't visit this thread.
d:raf 4:28 PM - 11 August, 2016
I've had this unit for a few weeks, but I never have time to properly test it for any length of time, so I've opted to continue using my DDJ-SX at gigs instead (especially after reading some of the stories in this thread). Finally last night, I got an idea for an "automated stress test"; I selected a really long playlist (one with more than 24 hours worth of music in it), loaded up one of the decks, put it in continuous play mode and left it overnight while recording on another computer (so if it started acting up I could see how long it took). My mac is a 13" 2011 2.8ghz i7 with 8 gigs of RAM running Mtn Lion (10.8.5).

The first night, I set the USB buffer at 1. When I checked it the next morning, it sounded like the sound was "dropping in" as opposed to the USB "dropping out"... nothing but a syncopated series of pops and clicks (reviewing the recording revealed that it took it less than an hour to start doing that... yikes!). I upped the buffer to 5ms. and set it going that morning for another hour, and that appeared to fix the problem (at least for that hour).

Last night, I decided to go for broke and loaded all 4 decks up with tunes and put it in continuous play mode again (side note; I started with different songs on all four decks, but by the end of the test they were all the same and synced up, as if "auto instant doubles" had kicked in somewhere along the way; that was unexpected). I checked it in the morning (9 hours later) and everything sounded great! To further push it, I turned on the effects on all 4 channels and let it play for another 2 hours and turned on key lock for two of the decks. The CPU shot up to almost 50% and stayed there, but there were no dropouts or other undesirable audio effects. The pitch slider resolution still kinda sucks, and I know this isn't -exactly- like a full-on mixing test, but I think I'm finally comfortable enough to take it out into the wild.

So, the moral of this story... Mtn. Lion 4ever :).
dj shon g 1:21 PM - 14 August, 2016
Anyone having issues with activating the microphones I was unable to activate my microphones through the XLR slot
Chino 2:56 PM - 14 August, 2016
^^^ Try doing a factory reset under the UTILITY menu.
dj shon g 7:29 PM - 14 August, 2016
Where do I find the reset
Chino 10:38 PM - 14 August, 2016
1. Go to the UTILITY menu of your MCx8000.
2. Scroll down until you see Factory Default.
3. Select it and your MCx8000 will be restored to original factory settings
dj shon g 11:54 AM - 15 August, 2016
Thanks
Atramental 5:02 PM - 15 August, 2016
Thanks for the response Gentleman, I'm going to try a factory reset. I've been consistently using the SAME USB port, but i'll check that as well and make sure I use the one with the least connections. Hopefully both of these will address the issue. Other than that it's been pretty good so far, although as with most electronics, it does not like to perform in direct Texas sunlight for very long!
Cuervo 6:52 PM - 15 August, 2016
So there are tons of MCX8000 with hardware issues out there and Denon just release this

Denon DJ MC7000

Watchwww.youtube.com

Anyway i dont need dual usb or a key know.

So who cares!
Chino 8:16 PM - 15 August, 2016
I understand inMusic is a business and it's goal is to generate revenue BUT…….Please give us a new firmware update that improves the Engine standalone experience (Stagelinq where are you??!!). Denon needs to fix the CUE button brightness issue!!
panliv 9:45 AM - 16 August, 2016
Hi...I am waiting for my new mcx8000 by the end of the week...I just read that serato just released a new public beta 1.93 that fixes the problem with the cue button brightness!!!Can anyone try it and tell us...thank you :) !!!
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:24 AM - 16 August, 2016
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Hi...I am waiting for my new mcx8000 by the end of the week...I just read that serato just released a new public beta 1.93 that fixes the problem with the cue button brightness!!!Can anyone try it and tell us...thank you :) !!!

Where did you read that as its not in the release notes?
panliv 12:03 PM - 16 August, 2016
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Hi...I am waiting for my new mcx8000 by the end of the week...I just read that serato just released a new public beta 1.93 that fixes the problem with the cue button brightness!!!Can anyone try it and tell us...thank you :) !!!

Where did you read that as its not in the release notes?


In full release notes is has this :

Bug Fixes
• Tracks not being marked as played correctly with Pioneer DJM-850
• Potential kernel panic when toggling USB Insert FX on Rane TTM-57MkII
• Potential audible pop or click after playing from cue point or temp cue
• Pitch slider on master deck in sync controlling slave deck pitch when in sync and paused
• Playhead position incorrect starting the software in REL, then switching to INT mode before pressing Play using motorized platters
• Dragging iTunes files to the Serato DJ library takes a long time to import
• Incorrect output lighting on Denon DJ MCX8000 parameter buttons while in Pitch Play performance pad mode
• Potentially high CPU usage and audio distortion after track with Pitch ‘n Time DJ enabled passes the end of the track and pauses
• WAV files potentially being corrupted after writing tags
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:05 PM - 16 August, 2016
Nothing about CUE lights.
akakak 12:05 PM - 16 August, 2016
Nothing about cue button brightness in there.
panliv 12:12 PM - 16 August, 2016
What does it mean with this?!?

• Incorrect output lighting on Denon DJ MCX8000 parameter buttons while in Pitch Play performance pad mode
Chino 12:28 PM - 16 August, 2016
^^^ That bug fix has to do with the brightness of the pads/colors when your in the Key mode of the MCx8000. Unfortunately there is no "fix" for the CUE button brightness yet. That fix (if it is even possible) needs to come via a firmware update by Denon.
Chino 12:38 PM - 16 August, 2016
Btw, I encourage everyone to PLEASE TEST SDJ 1.9.3. The only way to improve SDJ's stability and overall reliability is by trying out the Public beta SDJ 1.9.3 in as many different scenarios with as many different computers as possible! I cannot stress this enough!!
DJ BroMoney 12:47 PM - 16 August, 2016
Denon did reply that cue button brightness and pitch resolution updates are coming in a firmware update via Facebook yesterday when I asked them about there MC7000. No ETA but finally they copped to the issue.
Chino 1:06 PM - 16 August, 2016
^^^ That is GREAT news!!
akakak 1:08 PM - 16 August, 2016
What about shift disengaging the pitch fader? Really missing that. :(
acemc 1:10 PM - 16 August, 2016
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What about shift disengaging the pitch fader? Really missing that. :(

That was sorted a while back.
Just remember, you have to have 'sync on' for it to work.
akakak 1:17 PM - 16 August, 2016
I thought I'd tested it… I'll try again. Thanks!
djbrulafu 10:06 PM - 16 August, 2016
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Denon did reply that cue button brightness and pitch resolution updates are coming in a firmware update via Facebook yesterday when I asked them about there MC7000. No ETA but finally they copped to the issue.


I just read that post now, I was about to post it on here but realised it was you that asked the question.

Just to post here too... This is what Bro asked

The outstanding questions:
1) Did the cue light issue from the MCX8000 get fixed?
2) Did the pitch resolution issue from the MCX8000 get fixed?
3) Is the the build quality and sound quality identical to the MCX8000?
4) is it a standalone mixer or does it need a laptop to run cd's?

And denons response was this..

Bro Moneey 1&2 have been improved in an upcoming firmware release and 3&4 are a yes!

So... Straight from the horses mouth. Great news.
Mr Wilks 10:44 PM - 16 August, 2016
Amen!!!
Mr Wilks 1:43 PM - 19 August, 2016
Okay guys... A new firmware just dropped for the MCX8000 (V1.3) but doesn't fix the issues of cue brightness or pitch resolution.

Log into your Denon account and it's at the top. Ignore the "Latest Version V1.2" near the bottom of your account welcome page.

Also a new Engine that sorts drag and drop Serato crates on Windows.

Engine Release Notes
v1.5.2 (Build 0007) - Issued on 06-24-16
This update is recommended for all users.
• Fixed issue on Widows OS which prevented direct drag and drop of Serato DJ crates into Engine.
• Fixed issue in which imported tracks with Auto Analyze “OFF” Display "0%" symbol next to track name.
• Fixed issue where creating Engine Library Database and Updating Engine Library Database ignored files on the
desktop.
• Fixed issue where the Engine Library and Engine target options did not properly refresh based on what is
selected in Collections pane.
• Fixed issue where dragging a folder of music to a target drive did not always auto analyze the tracks correctly.
• Fixed issue where tracks from USB Target were automatically added to Engine Library After "Create Engine
Target Database" Despite "Auto Backup to Engine Library" Set to “OFF”.

MCX8000 Firmware Release Notes v1.3 - Issued on 06-24-16
This update is recommended for all users.
Contains component firmware versions: Engine: 0161
MCU: 2061
Display: 8661
Changes/Improvements:
Engine
-Added Continuous Play mode support for non-Engine indexed USB drives
-Fixed issue where triggering hotcues with Slip mode active would cause two beat matched tracks to drift apart -Fixed issue where triggering slices would cause two beat matched tracks to drift apart
-Fixed issue where key information was not cleared after the USB Target drive was ejected
-Optimized memory resources while setting and deleting hotcues from the same playing track
-Fixed issue where some supported files types would prompt "unsupported File Type" pop up message
-Fixed issue where loading an instant double would sometimes display the incorrect waveform
MCU
No changes
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Mr Wilks 1:48 PM - 19 August, 2016
Hang on a minute...

I just realised this was an older build dated 24th June!!!

I think I missed it as the welcome page is still listing V1.2 as the latest in big letters!!!

Sorry... I blame Denon... Haha!
djbrulafu 1:52 PM - 19 August, 2016
Ha ha.

So are we waiting for something bigger than 1.3. Probably 1.4?

Got half excited there lol
Mr Wilks 1:58 PM - 19 August, 2016
Definitely.

I've been checking this the Denon MCX8000 site weekly not even noticing the newer V1.3 update in small letters at the top as I just logged in and scrolled down to where it said "Latest Version V1.2" so just backed out and cursed Denon.

They really need to update that bit or it will still say the latest is V1.2 when we are on V1.9
djbrulafu 2:03 PM - 19 August, 2016
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Definitely.

I've been checking this the Denon MCX8000 site weekly not even noticing the newer V1.3 update in small letters at the top as I just logged in and scrolled down to where it said "Latest Version V1.2" so just backed out and cursed Denon.

They really need to update that bit or it will still say the latest is V1.2 when we are on V1.9


Do you remember I had an issue with playing a long mix where it would cut out... I posted a video up here somewhere.

Well, good news. I made a new usb stick and its perfect. I just think it was the track had been corrupted somehow. (not that I play mechanics lol)

I can confirm that I can load two 60 minute + tracks from the same usb stick on either side and have no problems at all.
Mr Wilks 2:15 PM - 19 August, 2016
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Definitely.

I've been checking this the Denon MCX8000 site weekly not even noticing the newer V1.3 update in small letters at the top as I just logged in and scrolled down to where it said "Latest Version V1.2" so just backed out and cursed Denon.

They really need to update that bit or it will still say the latest is V1.2 when we are on V1.9


Do you remember I had an issue with playing a long mix where it would cut out... I posted a video up here somewhere.

Great to hear all is well with it now. having a few mixes handy that are long is needed on USB.
Well, good news. I made a new usb stick and its perfect. I just think it was the track had been corrupted somehow. (not that I play mechanics lol)

I can confirm that I can load two 60 minute + tracks from the same usb stick on either side and have no problems at all.
DJ BroMoney 2:18 PM - 19 August, 2016
The release of the MC7000 has left a serious void in the whole product range for me.

I was seriously thinking of picking up a mcx8000 once they fixed the issues, but then they went and released the MC7000, and now there's no clear flagship controller.

MCX8000 - Play from USBs in the event of a software crash, w/ lackluster USB stick managing software. Screens can cause audio issues and latency/stability issues with Serato.

MC7000 - Play from a backup computer in the event of a software crash + easier to play back to back sets with other Serato DJs. No screens to cause audio issues or latency/stability issues with Serato.

$300 price differential.... Seriously makes me wonder if we should expect to see a REAL flagship controller from Denon that combines the two.
djbrulafu 2:19 PM - 19 August, 2016
*megamixes not mechanics. Damn autocorrect
HETTO 6:56 PM - 19 August, 2016
Confusing times...
- Where's Stagelinq (like Chino said)
- the 7000 doesn't have Engine, so won't help pushing Engine further :-(
- I hope everything 'off' on the 8000 doesn't get delayed because of the 7000
- for my purposes the 8000 still suits me better than the 7000 would, so no frustrations there :-)

Btw; the 7000 doesn't have a Ethernet (Stagelinq) port, does it?
Mr Wilks 9:13 PM - 19 August, 2016
It doesn't have the StageLinq port so will be just for us guys for the time being.

I can bet there's been a delay that will push it back until the autumn. It's a shame there's no presence from InMusic at BPM this year. I just don't get why? It's been a strong year for them.

The 8000 is still a winner. The 7000 is more like an SX alternative with duel soundcards where as we have an RX alternative.

I was playing with the standalone earlier and actually think it's not bad at all. It's a long game for Denon so we'll see a Rekordbox style evolution over time.
Chino 3:47 AM - 20 August, 2016
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I've been checking this the Denon MCX8000 site weekly not even noticing the newer V1.3 update in small letters at the top as I just logged in and scrolled down to where it said "Latest Version V1.2" so just backed out and cursed Denon.


Im not seeing a v1.3 or Engine 1.5.2. Am I missing something? Is it located in a different area?
DJ_Dad 3:54 AM - 20 August, 2016
You need to log into their website with the mcx8000 registered. When viewing the mcx8000 in the registered products page, you will see the download for 1.3 in one of the links near the top of the page.
Chino 4:12 AM - 20 August, 2016
^^^ Thanks! I've been checking the site weekly like Wilks has been. I always just scrolled to the bottom where the big bold version info was located. Denon has it set up in a very confusing way! The latest build should be in BIG BOLD letters (at the top of the page)- very plain & easy for everyone to see not the tiny little link at the top!!! WOW…so we are in desperate need of version 1.4 then!!!
Chino 5:02 AM - 20 August, 2016
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The release of the MC7000 has left a serious void in the whole product range for me.

I was seriously thinking of picking up a mcx8000 once they fixed the issues, but then they went and released the MC7000, and now there's no clear flagship controller.

MCX8000 - Play from USBs in the event of a software crash, w/ lackluster USB stick managing software. Screens can cause audio issues and latency/stability issues with Serato.

MC7000 - Play from a backup computer in the event of a software crash + easier to play back to back sets with other Serato DJs. No screens to cause audio issues or latency/stability issues with Serato.

$300 price differential.... Seriously makes me wonder if we should expect to see a REAL flagship controller from Denon that combines the two.


The MCx8000 is available for under $1200 brand new from an authorized dealer on Ebay right now. The link is below:
www.ebay.com

There is a $200 price difference between the MCx8000 and the MCx7000. Personally, I prefer having the option of standalone USB functionality in case of computer/program failure(we all know SDJ sometimes has its stability issues!). I am also EXTREMELY tired of depending on laptops and all the issues associated with them.

I see the MCx7000 as more of an alternative to the Pioneer SX2. The dual USBs are great for switching DJs in a club setting. Buy the controller that suits your needs the best.

Hopefully, there will be a new Denon flagship controller (MCx9000) in a year or two.
dj shon g 6:52 AM - 20 August, 2016
Out djing and it keeps static ingredients out
dj shon g 7:15 AM - 20 August, 2016
Figured 1.9.2
DJ BroMoney 6:13 PM - 21 August, 2016
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The MCx8000 is available for under $1200 brand new from an authorized dealer on Ebay right now. The link is below:
www.ebay.com

There is a $200 price difference between the MCx8000 and the MCx7000. Personally, I prefer having the option of standalone USB functionality in case of computer/program failure(we all know SDJ sometimes has its stability issues!). I am also EXTREMELY tired of depending on laptops and all the issues associated with them.

I see the MCx7000 as more of an alternative to the Pioneer SX2. The dual USBs are great for switching DJs in a club setting. Buy the controller that suits your needs the best.

Hopefully, there will be a new Denon flagship controller (MCx9000) in a year or two.


Street price for the mcx8000 is around $1100, and I'm expecting the MC7000 to street around $800.

I feel you with the USB sticks. When I had the XDJ-R1 I had an absolute blast just turning it on and sticking a USB stick in and letting it go. That unit had abysmal screens, no waveform, and was missing half the features of this unit, but I had an absolute blast. How does the MCX8000 compare to the XDJ Aero/XDJ R1?
Chino 9:05 PM - 21 August, 2016
^^^ The screens on the MCx8000 are high resolution. The wave form is displayed and so is all the important song info (name, bpm, etc.) The 4 channel mixer on the MCx8000 is spacious and well laid out.

I DO like that the XDJ has WiFi & you can record your mix directly to USB. It really all depends on what your particular needs are. I DJ mostly mobile events so 2 mics, 4 channel mixer, and a standalone option is important to me. That's why I purchased the Denon MCx8000.
acemc 6:19 AM - 22 August, 2016
Thanks for the info Mr Wilx.
I wasn't aware of this update at all, but to be very honest, it really doesn't change anything.
The big issues most of us have are still there!!!
Denon have been saying (for some time now) that they have a fix for us in a new firmware.
But that just seems like a whole lot of bull to keep us quiet.
If they really had a solution, why would they keep so quiet about it?
Why prolong our agony & keep us waiting?
Denon's hardware is rock-solid build quality, sadly though.......
Their biggest downfall has always been on the software side of things.
I swore to never buy another Denon product after the 3700's left me in tears.
I'm starting to get that same feeling of regret in my stomach again!!!!!
DJ_Dad 11:45 AM - 22 August, 2016
Acemc,
This last firmware from Denon was actually released in June. This isn't the firmware update they have mentioned will fix the cue lights and pitch resolution for example. That code should drop soon.
acemc 4:24 PM - 22 August, 2016
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This last firmware from Denon was actually released in June.

I should've read a bit further - Lol!
I'm still quite surprised this update wasn't properly announced though.
Chino 8:30 PM - 22 August, 2016
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I'm still quite surprised this update wasn't properly announced though.


I agree. I will make sure it gets announced on this thread.
DJ Gugge 3:47 PM - 24 August, 2016
Form one unofficial Denon DJ Facebook group post:
"I know that MacOS Sierra is still beta, however it's set to hit RTM in less than 30 days. The MCX8000 doesn't get recognized in the MIDI panel, however other Denon controllers do.
What's the plan? Are we expecting a firmware update or a helper app?"

Is it a Serato or Denon DJ issue if that stop working in the next OSX?
d:raf 4:40 PM - 24 August, 2016
Maybe by the time they come out with whatever comes after Sierra I'll be able to use El Capitan :).