As far as I am concerned, anything related to music/dj/production.... an Apple product is a MUST have!

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Funny shit johnny

LMAO,

but hey.... I still stand by my opinon. Been using Apples since Apple II with the big funny noise and 5.something inch floppy disk drive that was so floppy it felt like paper!

Yeah, I was like THIS ----> www.djjohnnym.com when I read that post.....

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I want a Pulp Fiction Gif with Samual Jackson cursing

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Now I want a Dave Chapelle one!!!

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Boooo at that last one.....

Let me see something from the 70s/80s. Robocop or Startrek.... Something!

***sigh***

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**applause**

Fresh Prince was my favorite show!

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Dude, can we get back on TOPIC?

This changes the scope of things in the DJ world...

fixed

I can honestly tell you this. Since 2004, I have used Mac. The few times I have used any kind of PC was a guest spot. Those times have to be the worst experience with SL in 8 years.

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I will agree that Macs are good for audio/video programs because they are proprietory. Hardware conflicts happen in PCs because different parts are made by so many different manufacturers. That said, I still stick with PC... You just have to know which brands to get. Research is key.

Ok ok ok....

Yea I still stand on my opinion about Macbooks. As a long time Apple user, I am talking about before the "Clone" days if any of you guys remember those (1994-1998 I think around)

They have always been a more stable plateform to use. And when performing, you need something STABLE!

Now I'll be it that sometimes software is the problem to blame and ITCH not Scratch Live has crashed on me several times during a live gig even with a MacBook, the MacBook Itself never froze.

I once owned an Alienware laptop. This was supposedly there TOP OF THE LINE gaming laptop. One of their "desktop" replacements. I mean most advanced graphics card you can throw into a laptop, processor, etc etc.

Ran good for first 6 months. Latency turned all the way down, everything to the max. After that and a couple of Microsoft Updates later, this thing started crashing..... Viruses, I would get a random virus notice in the middle of a gig and it would crash Scratch Live.....

After about 3 months of random freeze and crashes I stopped using it and sold it shortly after.

Summer 2009, I buy one of the new first generations of the "UNIBODY" Macbook Pros.
Prior to the Macbook I've used mainly Apple Desktops.

Compared to the Alienware, this thing had less memory, less graphics processing power, less everything as far as specs.......

But I still use that same laptop up to this day. Total Computer Crash when using Itch (The Computer had to be restarted) and three software Crashes with Itch (Glitchy during the 2.0 Update)

No crashes with Scratch Live to date.

Upgraded Hardrive, Upgraded Ram and replaced internal battery.

With the Alienware, it was always rolling the dice when playing out.

I play out at least twice a weekend. And Twice during the week on average. Thats 4 x 52 x 3 = 624 Gigs so far not including certain weeks where I did some serious overtime.

624 gigs with 1 systems failure is a failure rate of 0.1% vs my Alienware was around 1.5%

bottom line.. if you take care of your computer you'll be ok. Not many viruses for macs right now because the majority of the population uses PC but the numbers are shifting so be prepared for more viruses coming to a mac near you

Thats what people telling me.

Did you know that back in the day, like 1995 to 1998, when Microsoft was going to take over Apple, Apple uses starting making viruses specifically targeting Microsoft OS Software?

But I guess there is always Linuex if you really want a stable Operating System

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no you weren't like that, because that guy is closing a mac and we all know you still have a PC.

Plus, this is old news, I swear you already started a thread like this several years ago. Because Serato has recommended Macs over PCs for a long time, this is nothing new.

"Serato has recommended Macs over PCs for a long time, this is nothing new. "

This

Really?

WHERE IN PRINT?

That was the whole idea from my last thread....

Show me specifically where Serato has "In Writing" recommended Macs Over PC's.

Well, considering that what you're reading is WRITING, then all you have to do is look at lots of threads in the help section from past years.

well apple recomends it lol

store.apple.com

i gotta call BS on one thing serato put on that page

"Evidence indicates that there is little difference in price between Macs and Windows PCs with similar specifications,"


LIES! lol

hahaha

Where do they officially say -



Show me something that someone from Serato definitively made mention in the same fashion as above...

allow me, via the chad

serato.com

Theyve said stuff indicating this for a loooong time johnny, maybe not as official as this one,
but still. Especially when it comes to video. As said before, dig into the help threads, and you shall find...

But honestly, whats the big deal? You wanted solid reasons for using macs on that other thread some time ago, and we all shared our knowledge. If you wanna stay PC, thats fine, no big deal.

Dude, I and we ALL KNOW for vid, you can't be a MAC....

I was talking about for straight DJ'ing....no video plans....

But I get it.

*beat a MAC

lets see what the chad has to say about that

serato.com

No man, it's like this...

If someone knows how to work a Windows machine, Serato would run fine...and you don't come out of pocket as much.

If someone gets a MAC, it's plug and play, but very little control of the innards....but Serato runs fine....

So you've got 2 platforms that "Run Fine" depending on who the user is and how much they know about, or care to know about how to make their PC/MAC run the best on Serato....

Enter a PREFERENCE, (say MAC), you might think that they would spend more QA and stuff for that platform vs. Windows....not saying they WOULD, but it's possible....

I mean, they CLEARLY endorsed Shure as the needle to work with Serato for QUITE some time, so why not an official word on the OS?

Is it to not shake up the part of the team that is dedicatd to the Windows side of the company?

Would saying MACs are better for Serato scare off those who don't have the money to BUY a MAC into getting something like Traktor or VDJ, and possibly loose that marketshare?

I mean, y'all are already all over Serato about keeping up with the joneses and addressing numerous bugs that seem to crop up with each new release and not fixing ALL of the previous ones....

There could be a LOT of POLITICAL and BUSINESS reasons why to not make that endorsement, but of course, we as the END USER don't care, we just need to know what works best, and let us decide from there....

That's my point...

Again, you're taking it out of CONTEXT, that discussion is about VIDEO.

please show me where in that link video is even mentioned?

It's VERY possible that Serato works "Fine" on BOTH platforms "Equally", if both are tweaked correctly...

So one may say, "Well, I have so many problems with my WINDOWS PC, just get a MAC"....

And the TECHNICAL joke behind it MAY be that the person just doesn't know what they're doing as far as making their Windows machine optimal...so they spend 3X's more for a MAC, just because they don't know how to work a WINDOWS PC.

That's what COULD be said....

And why not?

Clearly that's not the case here -

lol now reread what you just quoted, the thread was about what to use with an SL1, the video comment came after that discussion

But CHAD responded AFTER BOTH POSTS, so how do you know he's not referring to the video reference....

Like I'm sayin, it's some simple *ish, they OFFICIALLY endorsed Shure with NO problem, why not a MAC (up until now) if it's so much better?

your honor hes badgering the witness

where is that in writing BTW

LOL it says 23 new posts, but it's just Johnny & Bezzle arguing in a corner...

LMAO!

YO! They changed the Manual for SL3 - Now it says -

What are the best cartridges to use with Scratch Live ?

We recommend the Ortofon|Serato S-120
cartridges for use with Scratch Live. These
employ revolutionary new cantilever suspension,
which delivers high output volume, unrivaled
tracking ability and low record wear.

Page 36.

LMAO!

That right there says it all folks...

You get in where you fit in...

Now how many of YOU are using that Ortofon/Serato S-120?

lmaooooo..,.

It used to be in the naual^^^


Johnny. Get a clue, macs are better for music apps. Get one and get over it.

Dude, fall back....

Let's see, from a purely support perspective:

I can 'suggest' that the user might like to buy into the platform with minimum variables in hardware and software to deal with, and where the OS vendor has fixed the problem with USB 1.1 devices.

Or I can suggest Windows.

Which is gonna make the life of a support staffer easier?

Which is AGAIN that whole thing of - Are they putting as much resources into support for Windows as they are for MAC?

Like insider trading...

If we KNEW a lil' sum sum...

We'd react a certain way....no?

why tell people to buy shovels when they can get a bulldozer for a few dollars more? That's a lot less blisters to fix...

we DO know something! The vast majority of music professionals including DJs use mac. That is not not an accident, especially since the vast majority of us are more or less "starving artists." However, I'd imagine that serato is probably putting MORE resources into windows support as more non-pros buy products like itch & intro that get used on computers not dedicated to music.

At the same time, it's not like there is some grand wizard of serato support who decides to hire 2 windows support guys & and 15 mac support guys. If you're looking to hire customer support, I'm guessing that you'd hire people who could do the job, regardless of the platform. Even if there is an inequality, the fact is that, as they freely admit above, macs work better with serato than PCs, therefore more support is required for PCs. It's not a conspiracy, just reality.
And no, that does not mean that you or anyone else on this board should switch or that you are a worse dj because of the computer you use, it just means that one has less issues with serato & other music apps.
Serato is a company founded to not only make a good product but to MAKE MONEY... as long as PCs dominate the market, they will support PCs (even though pcs are not dominant in creative professional fields).

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oh man he is breaking that ish down

Ok so again, there was NO OFFICIAL - "This is better than that" statement by Serato ....

I don't go by inferences...

I don't go by Help Requests..

Why? Because sometimes those who need help just DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING...

Not all, but some...

You do have some valid points - as far as the support is concerned....and how new DJ's coming into the market generate needed support for ITCH and whatnot...good point.

But again, there was NO OFFICIAL blessing by anyone from Serato until now...

That's big...

Johnny .... Get your black ass out the fucking gutter and get a MacBook pro! Quit acting like you do t wanna!


P.s. get some lotion for them ashy ass hands

ROTFL!!!!!!!!

Let me address this real quick...

I ain't no n00b. Get it? Good...

I don't buy stuff because people say "Just get it"...that's STOOPID...

I asked the question before, of "Why" I needed to get a MAC and most answers were "Just because"....

That's NOT an educated answer....

Nobody was offering any specs of why it was better (just for DJ'ing no vids), no graphs, pretty pictures, NOTHING, except "Look, just get one, you won't regret it"...

Only until someone who KNOWS what they're talking about (Deez), who was not a Fanboy of any sort, and I know KNOWS his *ish from a technological perspective broke it down that just the AMOUNT OF TIME you don't have to spend fixing stuff is well worth the cost...

NOT that it would perform any better, but more of a convenience sake for support...

Those who are technically knowledgeable and aren't fanboys know what I'm talking about...

YES, I was following Microsoft religiously, but I'm a fan of TECHNOLOGY, not corporate worship...so I needed solid "Technical" reasons why I needed to get a MAC.

Someone coming thru saying - "Get one and get over it" can keep it movin...nah mean?

And it's not like I haven't heard it before, but check it....

Most SMART PEOPLE fully investigate what purchases they make...right?

How many of you jump on n00bs who buy Serato, but don't read the manual, but will
post a question of how do I mount a headshell?

Stop playin....

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lol @ Johnny homes its obvious to the serato fam that you want or at least have a big enough interest in a mac so you should buy one. The great thing about it if you dont like it they have an amazing resale value. People will pay damn near full price for a used mac or anything apple related for that matter

Y'all must can't read or sumphin....

I SAID, I'll start slow and get an iPhone...

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man obama had an easier time getting obamacare in place than we do talkin johnny into 2006

Johnny the Mac pc debate is never going to end we all know it. but it has been tried and true as a premium stable tool for worldwide production and djing for years, not to mention the ease of workflow, and resale value if you care to sell at later point (my powerbook g4 sold for 400 dollars 3 times that i know of) its cool if you dont want one its just a tool ...

See, here's the thing...

I'm sold...BEEN SOLD...

Do I have 3K at the moment?

Hells no...

I was just making a point that let's say that Serato had put in some manual somewhere that MACS are suggested for Serato, I wouldn't have needed to have done the research of picking your brains on the board of why...

BUT...

Now that I see they "Endorse" the Ortofon S-120 (lmao) over the Shure, and based on the PURE PERCENTAGE of DJ's on here that swear by this recommendation....it's OBVIOUS what drives ( or may drive) their "Recommendations".....Corporate Politics...

Or

The fact that they're a company in the business of making money.

So with THAT said, a recommendation MAY have multiple reasons behind it...I always thought the Shure one was a blanket one for those who couldn't quite keep up with "The Panks"....

What if we all pitch in and buy johnny a test mac?

ill pitch in lets go to the graph

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Lmao well use ur paypal account

Again, where was the SERATO endorsement?

Why isn't that in a Manual somewhere?

I'm NOT against MAC, but as any new technology, just wanted to know what made it "Better" for Serato.

Here's the thing...

MOST cats that "KNOW" what they're doing on a Windows based PC are laffin' their azzez off at those who buy MACS just because they can't "handle" a Windows based PC....

They're either considered "Dumb", "Lazy", "Not interested in learning Windows innards", or something along that line...

They weren't actually considered "Smart" for paying 3X's the price for something that if they took the time to learn the PC, would save them money...

Time is money...so those who are on MACS have a valid case, no matter the reason for being on the MAC....

However, someone who knows their way around a PC can't help but laugh at the additional money spent.....but I ain't mad...

Sheeet....I'll take it...

So Its about money vs stability and ease of use? As far as an endorsment by serato, does it matter?....you said it if you know your way aund a pc you should be fine...so no need for mac...this is your point? If so cant argue that, the thing is and its true pcs do stary getting funky after a while...cant deny that

What kind of drink?

me personally ill gladly pay the extra $$$, not because of the machine but of the piece of mind it gives me. There are an insanley low amount of viruses and malware for a mac compared to windows, with all the blogs and emailed tracks and sketchy sites i go to for music i dont want to worry about something fishy getting installed in the background of my computer that will give me a prob at a gig. Id much rather spend my computer time looking for, listening to, and creatiing music rather than endlessly tweaking the computer, runnin virus scans and all the other day to day maitnence that windows computers need.

Correct as a dj tool a mac gives you very few flaws, plug and play with serato for years, no tweaking except for caffeine to stop screen saver

Think of it like turntables, you CAN buy a numark TTX, you CAN learn the feel of it, you can know the ins and outs of it make hella adjustments and hope the motor dosent burn out at a gig or you dont crack the plastic. Or you can just buy a tech that YOU KNOW is a tank and is tried and true and pretty much universally accepted.

OMG, here we go again..

I'm NOT questioning the stability of a MAC.

Again, I was SOLD...

This thread isn't about MAC vs. PC.

It's asking WHY MAC wasn't endorsed in the first place?

Does (or did) it MATTER if Serato endorsed it or not?

HELL YES...

If a company is going to openly ENDORSE something that is NOT manufactured by them, but helps their product work at it's BEST....that means the FEEDBACK would be more favorable, more DJ's will hear about Serato running "Smooth" on said "OS" and would follow suit and buy the same hardware...

Now, you get cats that are having problems (on Windows machines), and a buzz starts up about how the software isn't stable...etc..etc...

Nevermind that you're probably not using an optimized machine, but still negative feedback...

Enter Traktor and VDJ, see where I'm going?

And you're probably representative of MOST of the DJ community.

Y'all have to remember, this Digital DJ thing made EVERYONE (that's a DJ that wants to stay relevant) a computer/laptop user of some sort.

You know that cat who's been DJ'ing for years, and could RIP IT, but couldn't spell or type?

They've got PC's now...Are they gonna know the difference between an NTFS partition and FAT 32?

Hellz no...MAC's are for them.

Plug in and play....and PAY...the extra cheese...

Done deal.

i would assume its because it isnt necessarily a universal truth, you said it yourself if you are a PC wizard and keep on your toes than there really isnt much of a difference. Besides from seratos standpoint im sure theyd rather have you buy a $500 PC and put the rest of the $3000 into midi accessorys and rane gear. Plus if they did endorse apple thered be tons of lil wavys bitchin about it, it could possibly scare off customers without alot of cash AND youd have PC users who dont know how to use a mac bitching and calling cust service. The computer used to run the software isnt their busniess unless theres a prob

This is not an argument FOR or AGAINST a MAC, it's why hasn't it been 'Official"...until now?

Good example, but it fails...why?

Because if you ask someone what TT you should buy, they SHOULD say a Tech....off top.

And they can give you specs of why you need to get it....not that "It just works"...

Or even IF they said "It Just Works", you can still find someone who can show you "WHY" it "Just works"...Gimbal Suspension, digital pitch, upgrades, implementation in the market place, EVERYBODY has one, and ...

just like you guys are saying with the MAC - Resale value...

See the difference here?

Educated answers.

It also depends on the users needs, if your a bedroom, friends party dj, you really DONT need a mack. you gotta remember this software isnt JUST for pro djs, in fact their current FOCUS is the non dj

ill say your wrong here. On paper the numark IS A BETTER TURNTABLE, its customisable it has higher torq digital readouts.....but the techs relaible

But apparently SO if they're saying -

also the resale of a tech is highter than a numark

You're going on tangents...

Stay focused...

This is about WHY it's not "Official" until now....

Big deal, ON PAPER a MAC is better, but what is the marketplace flooded with?

And Reliability is better than Features...

Ask Nik when it comes to Serato releasing software versions....

not everyone would agree with you here. Like i said its up the the users needs, PROFESSIONALS need stability above all else.....but thats a relatively small part of the market. Id say their largest demographic are bedroom djs wholl NEVER be able to afford a mac

also macs dont necessarily look better on paper either

So DON'T pick a side, so you can make more money is what you're saying...

And wouldn't you know it -

Here's the guy talking about his computer "experience" -



So, they recommended a MAC to this guy...

Now what?

Wait a minute. Did you say 3K? I bought a quad core mbp i7 for less than $1,800.

Noted...

Seriously??It always comes down to the users knowledge or your lack of knowledge for keeping your Virus protection running on your Alienware PC.Everyone knows you shut if off while running SL.Otherwise you wouldn't have virus pop ups during gigs.I've used PC & Mac and there's nothing better than anything else,use what works for you or don't.

I run an Acer Aspire,duo core 2.13ghz processor,4gb ram,500gb HD,Windows 7 home premium,

It runs SL rock solid as any Macbook Pro.It also runs Traktor rock solid,so anyone's Mac is better than Windows debate doesn't hold water.If you know what your doing,then you won't have any stability issues.In fact I've had a Macbook Pro crash on me during a gig but never my PC doing the same gig under the same conditions.

The whole Mac vs PC debate is "status" driven in my honest opinion.Like your somehow looked down upon cause you don't have a Mac like all the followers and lemmings.Ridiculous.

I've found most,"not all" Mac Book Pro users to be Elitists to an extreme.

In closing it all comes down to USER Error when stability issues are concerned & a lack of research,cause some PC laptops are better at running Music software.

Educate yourselves people and save some money for a Rane Sixty two.

Sales, in order to not put windows users off from buying.

I believe develop and support teams are multi platform, not divided into "platform camps".

It would to some extend, but so will premium pricing of Rane hardware. If caring enough about your djing to invest in a Rane box/mixer you'll probably want a stable, easy maintained computer to go with it, even at a premium price.

I hear you, a few bugs Id like to see fixed too.


In general, DJ's and regular computer users are NOT computer savy. Yourself, being a tech head, you will be fine with your windows system.

Also, remember OFFICIAL recommendations from a company will change over time. If the ortofon/serato collab didnt happen, I bet they would still recommend the 447 needles.

Oh, and I run both macs and pcs... but for SSL, I been using a mbp for about 4 years now. i came from xp back then. My win 7 machine (highend $5.5k mobile workstation) will not run SSL as smoothly as my 4 year old mbp....

Mac users love to gush about "that's why I love my Mac", and when I read that I think "yeah it's because you're happy being ignorant". But your statement is exactly what I don't like about Mac at times, we're just supposed to sit there and trust that Mac is going to take care of it, fuck that, I wanna do it when I wanna do it.

In your other thread someone brought up some big analogy about guys who buy Hondas and spend all their time and money juicing it up and modifying it when they could've just bought high end in the first place, the point is obviously lost on this person and the analogy doesn't work because those Fast and Furious guys LIKE spending their time working on those cars and personalizing it. (I started building PCs for fun a few years back and I have a great time doing it )

Generally speaking Mac is proprietary vs. PC in which I can mix and match and put whatever I want in that sucker depending on what I want the computer for.





1) Where is this big difference in "ease of use"? He's using it for Serato, so basically instead of using CMMD + he uses CTRL +.

2) Johnny is an IT, I don't think "difficulty of use" is in his vocabulary when it comes to PC.








LOL @ Bezzle the "professional", I guess that makes me Shamann the bedroom DJ.



I know exactly where Johnny is coming from, if he sees things with a technical mind "just get it, you'll thank me later", "hey, I guess I'm just that serious about my craft" and other condescending horse shit won't cut it. To the user who isn't so intimidated by PC it just comes across as propaganda from people trying to justify their own ignorance. If the user were able to break it down technically then it might be more persuasive, but then again these are Mac users who say shit like "that's why I love my Mac" so I guess that's asking too much.

I personally don't see any difference between the two when it comes to "ease of workflow" or any of that, it's a piece of gear, that's all, you use one or the other and adapt accordingly.

Now THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT....^^^^^

Again, this is not really supposed to be a MAC vs. PC debate, remember "I'M SOLD", but fine...

If MAC was so incredibly better than PC, why hadn't Serato put the "Official" stamp on it?

That's ONLY what this thread was supposed to drum up questions about....

There are some that would INSTANTLY skip over the question, and again blindly say - "Look just get one...you'll see"...

That's saying (to me), "Look, just (blindly) throw away 3K and you'll see"....

Man look.....

Say that *ish again!!!!

And I GET that not everyone can be a technician, but let's call a spade a spade....

Those who KNOW Windows, can rock Serato with NO PROBLEM...period....

Those who'd like to PAY for the convenience of NOT HAVING TO CARE about a lot of the technicial glitches, can and will get a MAC....

Nobody has proven that MAC is that much more better in performance versus a similarly decked out PC, but they HAVE proven that the TIME invested in the PC is more and could conceiveably make you get a MAC.

Peace of Mind is RELATIVE to how knowledgeable you are about your tools. Period.

DJ Shamann is killin it -

And to tell you the truth, the PROBLEM here is that I'm asking "MAC Lovers" about the reasons why, and the reasons weren't "Technical"...

Now, I didn't want to say, - "Ok, so you're just not savvy enough to maintain Windows", as that is condescending in itself, even though I'm thinking it....

Plus SOME of the people that gave answers, I didn't want to "Offend" because they contributed to the thread in the 1st place, and I also take into consideration how comfortable they are with the MAC, so why throw dirt on them because they're not really Technical, and I get it.

However, if you CLEARLY see me asking for TECHNICAL REASONS of why the switch should be made, and you still want to stick with "Just get one", then expect to get shut down...

I know what I'm asking....If you don't know how to INTERPRET what I'm asking, then keep it movin....

Like I said, I'm SOLD, my dudes have secretly moved to MAC OS without even telling me...lol

K - Smizz - Last time I checked, he had the SAME LAPTOP that I had stolen from me a few years back - Dell E1505, or something similar, then next thing I know, he's rockin a MAC.

Deez - I knew he had a MAC, but didn't know he STOPPED using his Windows PC for Serato all together...lol

Dazz - I think he's still on Windows...

CMOS - I think he's still on Windows...

So 50% of the dudes I kick it with on here took the plunge, and I didn't know until I started asking questions....

As a matter of fact I do believe KAGEN took the MAC plunge too, and ALL of these cats were rockin' WINDOWS LAPTOPS PREVIOUSLY....

They just didn't invite me to the Jump Ship partay!

MAC vs PC
PC vs MAC
Toyota vs Honda
Lamborghini vs Ferrari
Kia vs Hyundai
Condo vs Townhouse

Bottom line, it's all about preference. Just get what you want. They all do the same thing, one just costs more than the other

Lol @ johnny talkn in circles, u get tech answers then say this isnt about mac vs pc u wanna know why its not offically seratos choice, so people give u busniess reasons and u bitch about not getting a techncal answer. Look bottom line its 2012 and its software that plays 2 mp3s at once so performance wise IT DOSENT MATTER WHICH U USE SO THERES NO REASON TO HAVE AN OFFICAL RECOMMEND. From a pesonal busniess standpoint macs experience less problems than pcs period

Rockers VS Mods ;)
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And there you have it folks...

Bezzle the "Professional"...

However, I have NO PROBLEM telling you that you don't have the skill set to peel a banana....

People are mixing up *ish..

This thread was EXCLUSIVELY for why Serato didn't do an Official endorsement, (actually, it's just in writing...), that they recommend MAC.

The OTHER thread was for WHY MAC is supposidly better, and those came out to be BUSINESS and TIME Management reasons, vs. TECHNICAL reasons...

There it is...Read it slowly...

Im just gonna watch johnny chase his tail....which way did he go george which way did he go

Johnny, have you ever seen a serato empolyee or endorsed dj use a PC in a promotional video?
The only one come to mind is Shortee.

Again, they have been given advice towards macs in the help sections for years. Only difference is they are more "official" about it these days, as it lessens the support workload. As said, most Serato users are NOT tech heads. So there is your "why" right there, I guess....

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I'm at work. Don't judge me, lol.

See, I don't go by "Endorsed DJ' because again, we're talking about how comfortable they are with technology.

DJ'ing is one thing...

Optimizing a PC/MAC is something else...

Just because someone's a GREAT DJ, doesn't mean they know how to set a VCR.

Exactly, and why would they need to ?

Lol @ vcr, your showin ur age again johnny boy! Finally got rid of the betamax i see

But the point of the "Endorsement" by the DJ is to convince someone to buy the product...based on them saying it's great.

That MAY work for some, but not for others...

When Serato first came out, and I saw Jazzy Jeff on it, it was MAD SLOW, and Relative Mode wasn't out then, so he looked like a turtle...

I stayed with vinyl.

Once Relative Mode came out, and he was the "New Improved" Jazzy Jeff, and he could use it the way he's was supposed to use it, I was sold...

NONE of that indicates how well he knows how to work his LAPTOP....or why he bought it.

Actually, he probably bought it because he was familiar with MACs because of his whole production thing, but from a PURELY DJing stance, no preference was relayed as to MAC vs. PC.

And yes, one day you'll learn the technique of how to peel that banana...

Listen Johnny, the reason there is always macs in official serato videos, is because they PREFER macs, thats my point. Only difference is that they now are more direct about the whole thing...

My point was that I wanted to know WHY they preferred MACS...from a TECHNICAL perspective, however, there's no wide TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE, it's a TIME MANAGEMENT and End User level of expertise issue...

It's NOT a time mangement issue for me, because my PC's are always running at an Optimum level, vs. the average user who doesn't know to not click on a suspect email...

That is speculation.... as per this quote -

Wait let me get caught up, was the chicken first or was it the egg

So to tell you the truth the REAL answer to my question lies in this statement -

Round of applause for johnny for being the first internet user to succesfully troll himself

So to tell you the truth the REAL answer to my question lies in this statement




WHY NOT?

No, I'm sitting at the car dealer, laptop plugged into the conviently located AC Plug, on vacation, and have NOTHING better to do!

:-D

Well I had PMs from mods saying the opposite..
Trust me, they prefer macs.... They always have.
You prefer PCs, no big deal.

The fact is that in general, a low spec mac will run SSL better than a mid specced PC.

Also Johnny didnt you post around in the forums for quite a while before eventually getting and SL3 (version 1.7.4) ? Version 1.3 had relative....

Johnny, you're wasting your time debating with the Mac fanboys. It's like a cult and they all try to get everyone else to join and drink the Apple kool aid. Use what works for you and let them keep overpaying to use what is easy for them to use

Why a PM? Why not make it a Universal endorsement?

Doesn't matter what I PREFER, I want what works BEST from a TECHNOLOGICAL standpoint...



^^^Ok, EVERYBODY says that - where's the proof?

You're trying to tell me that after ALL of this time, nobody at Serato did a side by side comparison of MAC vs. PC to finally kill the speculation?


Also Johnny didnt you post around in the forums for quite a while before eventually getting and SL3 (version 1.7.4) ? Version 1.3 had relative....

So, I don't get your point.... I know I didn't get Scratchlive until after Jazzy Jeff was able to rock on it without it holding him back...

I said it earlier ill say it again FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOUINT YOUR PLAYING TWO MP3S AT ONCE ONE DOES NOT PLAY MP3S BETTER THAN ANOTHER. The real issue us reliability and to gauge that just hop over to the help section

lol, but I'm trying to cut through the FANBOYISM, (still wasn't the topic of this thread), and get to the MEAT...

Still, at this point, I'm STILL SOLD on MAC, but was wondering why Serato hadn't "OFFICIALLY" endorsed it until now?

Why keep it all in PM's?

What's funny is in the "Laptop Buying Guide" it says



That to the "Uninformed or unknowledgeable user " is a scare tactic....

As for this -

Again the whole VIRUS scare tactic...

NOTHING about how MAC performs TECHNICALLY better than PC. (for strictly DJ'ing)...

I'm still waiting for PROOF of this -

Show me da money!

"That's saying (to me), "Look, just (blindly) throw away 3K and you'll see"...."

I'm going to point this out again.. .3K? hahaha

"Peace of Mind is RELATIVE to how knowledgeable you are about your tools. Period. "

True. But, you can't deny that it's a bitch (SOMETIMES) to find drivers for something to work the way it's supposed to on Windows. It's just the way it is with so many variances in hardware where as with a mac, you end up pluggin' and playing with ease.

"However, I have NO PROBLEM telling you that you don't have the skill set to peel a banana.... "

hahahaha

"Again, they have been given advice towards macs in the help sections for years. Only difference is they are more "official" about it these days, as it lessens the support workload. As said, most Serato users are NOT tech heads. So there is your "why" right there, I guess.... "

This

"The fact is that in general, a low spec mac will run SSL better than a mid specced PC."

This

How much is a MACBook Pro?

Right, but again, it depends on the tech savvyness of the user.

The question is how much is someone willing to PAY for that convenience of TRUE plug and play...

"The question is how much is someone willing to PAY for that convenience of TRUE plug and play... "

Well, the answer depends on the person spending the money. Remember, people are willing to pay an extra $1000 for the convenience of driving an automatic car.

That is actually speculation....or better yet, saying "Buy a MAC, so there will be less problems Serato will have to address"...

<Blank Stare>


The truth is that I'm shocked at the wording in the "Laptop Buying Guide" in reference to the viruses and things..

That's basically saying "Buy a MAC, so you won't have to worry about viruses", vs. it being TECHNOLOGICALLY better....

C'mon son....not a corporation saying that...can't be...

www.djjohnnym.com

The best example I can give you (and have given you) is when Deez went to the NAMM convention and he bought a new mac and was playing with it without issues within minutes. KaGeN is a witness to that.

Ok, I'm willing to look at this....

Please show me a vid, link, specs, pretty pictures.....SOMETHING.....

I think I answered this already. Obviously Serato want as much sales as possible, and will support a platform that is used by a large customer base. They firing up the platform war and fanboys would make a bad business move, especially in the past, when macs werent so common for the average users. Even though they prefer another platform.


Im talking from personal experince, my exgirfriends old ibook g4 would blow my then top specced PC (a dell m90 mobile workstation) out of the water.... Im not making it up, and I still prefer PCs for 3d graphics work, but with SSL its a different story. As far I know, SSL was developed for MACOS then ported to windows, IE native on the mac first...

They probably did lots of side by side tests, but again, its about sales...

I might remember wrong, but I thought you got SSL a couple of years after Jazzy showed off his REL routines? My impression was you bought into it after a lot of forum posts?

From a technical point, historically Macs would handle large libraries better, have less usb conflicts (as even lower end machines had firewire for externals.) In general I could run lower latency, and waveform/screen refresh has always been way better.

And NO NEED to spend 3k, 1,2k will last you a looong time for regular djing.

Ive had my share of windows viruses, and EVERY windows user I know has experienced them at least once. None of the mac users I know has ever, so I wouldnt really call it scare tactics, its real life experience, thats all...

Again, that's user INTERACTION...not specs...

You usually gather SPECS before buying something....

I can tell you from experience. (won't be able to show you though). The other illegal alien uses a PC. He was using a PC he spent over 2K for while I was rockin' that $500 macbook I bought off craigslist. He was having issues with SSL. Then, having issues with VSL. It was ALWAYS a driver issue. Not to mention how many times he had to reformat that sucker to get it to perform the way it should. He would always give me excuses (oh yeah, the new "thing" I just installed, is conflicting with such and such".

I NEVER once reinstalled anything on my $500 macbook and I sold it almost 4 years later for $350. hahaha

"And NO NEED to spend 3k, 1,2k will last you a looong time for regular djing."

Say it again.. he didn't hear you.

But that's the thing. Buy the cheapest, lowest spec macbook. Now, buy the cheapest, lowest spec PC. You'd be lucky if it meets the requirements to run SSL.

Do you ever go into the SSL and Itch help sections? Im not speculating, just look at the posts.

I think Im done kicking this dead horse, theyve said macs "might" give you less trouble.
Thats just diplomatic language for: "if you dont know your way around computers, get a mac".
Good thing is, you DO know your way around them so no need to buy another computer, just because its new pretty and shiny, right?

Who cares stop crying over this.......

Mac it is :-)

This

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

some of the most ignorant stuff i've read on here in a while!! ha!

The problem with Serato and Windows isn't the user it's that the Serato team has to write code that will work on a billion different hardware platforms/drivers etc etc.

And saying that you have "very little controls of the innards" on a Mac is just a flat out lie. OSX is UNIX based and you can very easily drop down to the command line and start changing the innards as much as you'd like. Unfortunately Windows is based on legacy code that was fucked up even 10 years ago.

and if you were referring to changing the hardware innards you can swap out hard drives, ram, add a 2nd SSD in place of the DVD DRIVE on all macbooks except the retina's

Aye
Yup

"The problem with Serato and Windows isn't the user it's that the Serato team has to write code that will work on a billion different hardware platforms/drivers etc etc."

Say it again... I don't think they heard you the first 200 times this has been posted.

This

Yeah. They fucked up on the new line of MBP's.... big time! nm

The new MBP's are fine.. the new RETINA's have the non upgradability. Should just call them Macbook Air Retina's and not pro's

you can buy a brand new 15" MBP and upgrade the drives and shit

Yeah. That's what I meant... Shit. You can't even replace the battery. Right?

laptop

:P

Calm down u 2 lol nm

I always get a kick out of DJ's who use cheap shitty PC laptops to DJ with yet will use Technics.

You have the Mercedez of Turntables and using them with the Geo Metro's of Laptops wtf?

+100000

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Those who KNOW Windows, can rock Serato with NO PROBLEM...period....


Not if they have a fancy new iSeries machine and an SL1.

Ive used both. Im a windows guy through and through, ill never run serato on windows again.

Im the opposite of most people, i have a mac that only gets used for serato because i dont like the OS for daily use.

Quote fail!

haha

and he said.. Geo Metro. lmao!!!!

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why is this thread doing numbers like the first week album sales of Dr. Dre - Detox album? Thread is finna go RIAA gold.
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The funny thing is my new shiny laptop rips through any software i throw at it Ableton, Adobe Audition, Photoshop, Visual Studio, FL Studio.

I run a USB 1.1 External Audio card for recording + producing and have no issues on this laptop with anything other than Serato.

I find it hard to believe both versions of the software are getting the same programmer love if all those programs can run fine on a PC but Serato cannot.

Like i said ive used both, on comparable machines, the MAC version is better. I dont personally believe the machine itself is better, but the software definitely runs better on the apple side.

"Like i said ive used both, on comparable machines, the MAC version is better. I dont personally believe the machine itself is better, but the software definitely runs better on the apple side. "

That's a good point.

We all understand why the narrow spectrum of Mac models makes it easier to develop and support for compared to the massive variety in the PC world right? That's the underlying issue here and the main reason why the Mac version is generally accepted to be more reliable.

If my recent unscientific poll with over 1000 respondents is anything to go by, the majority of DJs now use Macs anyway. djworx.com. In fact, the majority of creative industries prefer Macs too, because for mission critical tasks, Macs have the reliability that goes with the price paid for them.

As for Serato recommending Macs - I have no doubt that if they could, they'd develop just for Macs and have a lot less support issues, and development times for new versions would be slashed. But that would be commercial suicide. So a soft recommendation rather than a full-on hard endorsement is a better approach.

It's not black and white of course. Some Macs suck, and some PCs work better than Macs. But painting the picture with broad strokes, Macs are more reliable overall and that's why Serato would prefer that you use them.

Fixed.

In the context of this thread, probably more accurate.

Good, thought i was gonna have to drop you for djtechtools hahah i kid i kid.

I say with that post by DJWORX, we can end this thread. :)

Fat chance. Nothing like a circular Mac vs PC spiral of flame death to keep any forum busy.

"spiral of flame death" hahaha

Im puttin this thread on bittorrent to stick it to tha man nm nh

I want to use windows for one reason.

Cuz everytime someone sees me with a MAC i have to go into a 20 min explanation of why im using it lol.

www.dropbox.com

hahahahaha

Heres the deal my boy Johnny M is playing yall like a piano. He has no problem with dropping1k 2k or even 3k on a MAC. He's just a tech geek that likes to get everyone talking technology while he passes time at work. A person as "TECH SAVVY" as he is already knows that for SSL a MAC wins. He knows enuff about marketing, PR and promo to know why serato wouldn't come out in public and basically say buy a MAC. Consider yourselves played

Watchwww.youtube.com

I can roll with that....BUSINESS DECISION.



If that is the TRUTH, then this discussion is almost over! THIS is what type of technical relevence I'm talking about....



I can roll with that.



That's what I said, and cats like Thudercat and Deez were making me walk the plank if I didn't get it....



Where were you when I first was posting about this? lol



Macbook price again?



But savvy Windows users know a certain regimine has to be followed when dealing with the Internet....

If you follow it, you'll be MUCH LESS LIKELY to get a virus....

My thing was take the virus "variable" out of the picture, how do 2 equally "matched" MAC vs. PC devices fare with Scratchlive?

I'm talking side by side benchmark tests, and translate that into "Ok, is an extra Grand or so worth it to go for a MAC if there aren't any glaring differences in PERFORMANCE.

Noted...

But again, the point of this thread was why hadn't it been OFFICIALLY ENDORSED by Serato, up until now?

dude, you are really bored today huh? No worries, I'm lol'ing. I applaude your commitment to nonsense. I also wonder if you and m-bezzle are the same account owner. Wouldn't that be weird. hehehe, your nonsense is effecting my brain.

lol...

Man look, I DO have a problem dropping 1K, 2K, and especially 3K on something that might only be MARGINALLY BETTER than what I have now, but in this day and age, TIME IS MONEY, and Deez made a point that stuck with me as far as ANY TIME spent on a Windows Machine to tweek is valuable vs. just running with a MAC RIGHT OUT the box, and having it last for 3 or 4 years with NO problems...

I can't front on 3 or 4 years without a problem, as I would usually have to rebuild a Windows machine about every 2.5 years or so, or at least upgrade...

Chad are you SERIOUS?

What NONSENSE?

The truth is that IF you guys really feel that way about MACS, why not say it?

Oh, and you know DAMN WELL I ain't Beezle, cuz my diction, spelling and grammer (lol) are on point...

So, here we are...


You can confirm that MACS are better with Serato (from a technological standpoint than PC's for STRAIGHT DJ'ing?

That would end all the speculation....

I wouldn't buy the "CHEAPEST" of anything, as this is a business, and we should be using "Professional" products...

I'd at least say a Mid-Grade of both, and how they would fare against each other...

lol, I'm not even getting pulled into this one although you quoted me out of context previously...... which is why I keep checking the thread.

That answer is NO, because I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM running Scratchlive on my HP laptop....FOR YEARS..,

Nada, nothing, nip.

The ONLY time I had an issue was when I got a FASTER LENOVO laptop, installed XP on it, and it performed like ABSOLUTE CRAP when ScratchLive was loaded on there...

That didn't make sense to me, bigger, better, faster laptop, and the software USB'd like a mo-fo.

Found out it was the Video drivers, so then I started asking MAC questions....and here we are...

Well, that's the thing. You can either buy the cheapest Macbook for under $1200 or buy a mid-grade PC that will work just like that macbook for around the same price. I believe that's where they get the whole "comparable price" thing from.

I hope that made sense. Too lazy to find the actual quote.

What?

If I did please show me, and I DO apologize, but show me where....

Sounds about right.

Get out of my thread....You have plenty of OTHER threads to troll in...

Scram.

haha, my brain is mush. You're right, it was m-bezzle quoting old threads out of context.

You do know that I'm jokingly playing along with the game right? I ain't mad ;)

I agree with this...



I don't understand what the age of the code has to do with anything, it's the ability to dig deep and make the MAC (or Windows) do what you want...

My understanding is that there many more options to make WINDOWS do what you want versus making the MAC do what you want.

Man, YOU CAN'T be confusing me with Beezle after all these years.....

*****reaches in drawer for AKIEM'S lawful weapon, points at self, pulls trigger.....*****

Nah, you Mods are DEF on point this time around....but you know me....

Inquiring minds want to know....

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I think your understanding is wrong. You don't know much about a mac and it shows with that sentence above.

Now why is that a problem? Doesn't that show that Scratchlive will work on a low spec'd Windows machine, which would make it more attractive to the new "DJ on a Budget"?

I know what you mean, but everybody claims it's "The end result that counts", blah..blah..blah..

For example, I used to catch HELL on here because I kept talking about using the Realistic mixer, but then when I started posting Stickam, it turned into - "Well, it's NOT the equipment you use, but how well you use it...etc..etc.."

cuz I could make that Realistic sound like the best mixer on earth...

That may be so...you're right I don't but that was my understanding...

Who was disputing that?

Man, you need to UPGRADE! LOL...

SL1?

C'mon son, even I have the SL3...

Say THAT *ish again...lol



THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR...wtf?

Speaking of SL3... I need to get rid of my 57. If only the 62 worked with ME without any workarounds. Hell, even the 61 looks perfect to me.

nm

NOBODY has said this until now....

NOBODY.

WHERE THE HELL WAS THIS SURVEY WHEN I NEEDED IT?

Oh, NOW y'all wanna come out of the woodworks with stats, surveys, comments, and whatnot...

Now we're talking....,

Apparantly so do you. Mac time! Lolz

LMAO!

No, the fact is, that this WASN'T supposed to be a MAC vs. PC thread, ( I thought I made that clear), but moreso - OK I get it - Get a MAC - but wanted to know the reason as to WHY it hadn't been "Hard" endorsed by Serato....until now....

JM take it from me, its runs better on a mac. As much as i hate to say this it does.



Still find it funny how my usb 1.1 sound card has no issues with latency or dropouts while recording but the sl1 does. I really find that hard to swallow.

Ok, so MACBOOKS are say 1200 which is not a crazy price for laptop.

Now I understand that you would get more out of that 1200 if you went for a Windows laptop, but I'm not concerned about that...

I want to know if the HARDWARE specs on that MAC, if teamed up with a WINDOWS laptop of the SAME HARDWARE SPECS, would yield better performance, or not.

All I'm gonna say is this. It doesn't matter what you use as long as you take care of it. I use a windows PC and have only had an issue 1 time many years ago and it was due to user error. On the other hand I've played alongside a few DJs that were using MACs and their laptops froze up and they got the spinning beach ball of death. Take care of your computer. It's a tool. If you don't properly maintain it, regardless of whether it's Mac or PC, it will eventually fail on you.

As for the ongoing Mac vs PC debate that will never end. Do your research and decide what works better for you. Don't just get something because someone else says "just get it"

Then you guys have helped me today...lol.

I found out why Serato doesn't just SAY IT, and if Serato just performs better on the MAC if there were 2 equally matched laptops side by side...

PS...

I'm still mad that you didn't fix your pitch yet...

I recently purchased a new Windows laptop for $630 and it was actually better than an $1800 Mac with the similar specs.. go figure

Scram!

The 61 is in my sights..

My thoughts exactly...

I would EXPECT this....feel me?

BUT in relation to how ScratchLive runs on it, could be a whole different ballgame...

LIke I said, I haven't had any issues. But then again, I'm not the average user. I actually have computer knowledge

Exactly....

Remember... companies love to throw specs out there... but when it comes to performance, it's all about how it actually works when you run it.

Kinda like how speakers are now all 1000 watts... lol

Yeah, they leave out that little specification "RMS"...

Man, once I started asking what the wattage was IN RMS terms....cats would start shufflin...

you can buy a used macbook for $500 that will run serato flawlessly

you can also buy a *NEW* macbook for $1000 that will do the same..

or you can spend $5k and buy a macbook that runs serato flawleslly..

but again I repeat.. if you are using the BEST gear and trying to present yourself as a PROFESSIONAL DJ.. i.e. rocking TECHNICS, quality headphones, mixer, etc why the fuck would you cheap out on your computer (with either a cheap pc OR mac)

see my mercedes to geo metro refernce

or it'd be like using a RANE 62 with some belt driven numark turntables

Just because something costs more doesn't mean it's better. Research is key young Jedi

To which I say UNIX based OS (Mac) > Windows :D

and software written for a billion different hardware platforms (PC) < a dedicated propietary set (Mac)



:D

On point.

Funny... I heard something a lot similar when I started using my NS7. Speaking of which, ScratchLive, I've found, can run on practically anything newer than a Core Duo. It's ITCH that's the real damn computer murderer.

that settles it























JOHNNY IS THE REAL PAULY D!!!

mind = blown!!! im now bezzle, que, pauly d, johnny m, brigid.........i cant wait to see sixxxs look on his face when he realises im the entire forum YOU BEEN PUNKED LOL


isit that veird

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stand your ground?!

I'd rather die...

i know you like hard facts, i can only speak from my own experience but i used the same mac for 4 years 0 probs, knock on wood, until that motherboard situation. I borrowed the owners lappy and for the 3 days i used i experienced about 8 instances where it would freeze and Id have to reboot....i finally found out through trial and error that if i unplugged a midi controller when it froze it unfroze and worked fine. Now could it be her laptop wasnt primed and in tip top condition, sure, though it was newer and had higher specs than my mac.

I understand your scenario, but my request was specific to 2 machines of equal hardware equivalence, both tweaked to optimum settings, and running the same version of ScratchLive side by side...

I mean, they did that mess with the Pioneer vs. Technics CDJ thing, you'd think a million people would have made this comparison by now.

fair enough

Stanton makes turntables with SUPERIOR specs to those of Technics that perform better and have newer technology. Why do you use TECHNICS instead of them?

Because they've been the BLUEPRINT that all other turntables after them were based on.

Used since 1984, and still going strong...

What they had a head to head Stanton vs. Technics comparison or something? Wouldn't even be fair as if what you're saying is true, then they BETTER BE BETTER than a 30+ year old turntable...

And you bring up a good point....

Is the PERFORMANCE of said Stanton Turntable THAT much better than a Technics I CURRENTLY OWN, to warrant a switch and spend the loot?

yes STANTON's have like 50% more torque, a LOT more sound deadening (blocks bass feedback) etc etc


and the same could be said of OSX from the get go.. Windows has always TRIED to be as stable and as simple/plug-n-play and never could quite get there. With the release of the first MACBOOK.. that was the BLUEPRINT that ALL other laptops after them were based on

Fixed...

I have tested my 2 Macs, both having win xp, win 7 and mac os installed on their own partition.
So in the last 4+ year and COUNTLESS hours, I've been unsuccessful at Tweaking/stripping the windows OS to preform as well as the Mac OS. Same specs, same hardware but the windows os will not delivery the same performance. I love the challenge but when I'm providing a service I MUST use the best tool at my disposal. I consider myself a windows guy until its time to dj, then im 100% MAC.

serato.com

Hmmm...the only problem is that you have you have Windows running on a MAC...

BUT this is an excellent post....

Thank you.

Best of both worlds hommy......

MBP 13" base model pricing, it will last you a looong time for regular SSL DJing,

+ 1
You can get as deep-and-dirty-under-the-hood of your mac as you want. Learn unix shell scripts...

put this thread to rest..

its the OS.. I had windows 7 and OSX 10.5.8 on my Alienware M9750 Machine.

When I ran OSX on the beast.. it played video flawless with no lag whatsoever, I mean better than what my current MBP runs (which really bothers me to this day). I laid it to rest tho because it was too much to setup.

when I ran windows7, it only performed flawless if a video (MP4) was encoded with CABAC disabled. As soon as I ran a video with CABAC, it would crash.

This was both OS on same machine.

The best solution is MBP all day, every day. Just install windows 7 on your MBP and you get best of both worlds.

again.. put this thread to rest

I love it when people come thru sayin "Put this thread to rest" and haven't even READ or "Interpreted" the initial post or title.....

What does ANY of what you posted have to do with why Serato hadn't "Offically" signed off on MAC as the best OS to rock their software?

because as soon as we give you those reasons you bitch about tech specs

"We"? I don't consider you a worthy source....

Don't you have a birth certificate you need to validate somewhere?

no i checked my birthday minus 9 months most definatley isnt 1802, which im fairly sure is when your last erection was (NH!!)

So you checkin' for erections now....hmmm...

As stated before, you better get with that banana...stat...

u mad bro?

No, just wondering what anything you said had to do with Serato giving the MAC the nod officially?

no my mom told me....err....i mean...SHIT

From ms-dos - window 7...
From crt monitor - to lcd..
From Basic - to C#
From the floppy disks - to flash drives
From serial ports - to usb 3.0
From lab monitors kick me out the computer labs - to working in a tech establishment

I love me some PC's, viruses, trojans, malware and all..

The mac fanboys complaining about windows are just a bunch of ____________!

Awww hell....lol.

download.ultradownloads.com.br

told you I needed it for something

Hey guys,

As it was said earlier in this thread, this is nothing new, we have recommended Apple computers over Windows computers, generally speaking, for a long time now.

You will find this same opinion is shared by many other Audio Software/Hardware developers.

Keep in mind, that Scott did say it was his opinion, and wasn't trying to put this out as an official company statement or anything like that. We here in the Support Team all use Macbook Pros, but have a couple of Windows computers we use for various tests.

If someone asks us for advice on what we think is a good computer, we do our best to provide an honest answer based on our experience. Ultimately it comes down to what the buyer can afford, what they are familiar with and what other things they might need the computer to do, which is why we would usually move those sorts of discussions to the general area.

Think it would really hard to compare Mac vs PC on an app like SSL.

I was trying to find comparisons between how the mac handles audio through Core Audio, vs how a PC does the same thing. Reading about it, if core audio is as easy to develop for as quartz, it would make the mac dev a lot easier, but I just don't know that much about it. Don't even know how relevant it is anyway, as SSL effectively uses an external sound card.

Timing the "analyse library" option might give some indication between 2 machines basic handling of audio processing, but you'd probably end up testing a bunch of differently configured PCs with different soundcards and wide varying results. What about different graphic card configurations and how they make a difference?

Graphics cards don't play much of a role in Scratch Live itself, but they are VERY important when it comes to Serato Video.

To compare the speed of the analyze files function, would depend on the number of cores and speed of the processor.

Thank you sir!

/END THREAD.

Thanks, but I have to call you on that....

Scott said -

His "opinion" was here -

So, if it's not an "Official" endorsement, it sure comes across like it... :-)

However, I've learned a lot here, so thanks again for responding...

I could see how it come across like that for sure, and I think in this instance when he said "we" he was probably referring to the Support Team, and not Serato as a whole.

I can second that too, "we" the Support Team would indeed recommend Apple Computers in most situations regarding Serato software. I couldn't however accurately comment on what all the developers would recommend, nor the rest of Serato Staff for that matter.

Cheers man :)

Shouts Out............................*LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!*

(Lets go see who knows which movies thats from)

Thank you sir.

Anchorman

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if this thread makes it to 300 replies then we need to re-evaluate life
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at least reconsider the ay, yep ;)

Hahaha

so.......did you get the answer you were looking for and if so, what was it ?

In short. Opinion and personal preference of the Serato Tech support team, not the entire company.

lol

Which is more or less the summary of all 1699 posts here lol

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the fact that this thread exist makes me wonder bout peeps sometimes..
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and i went there

They don't promote it because of "Business" reasons, and ostricizing the Windows world...

Frankly, the SUPPORT team is probably the group that would matter the most when it comes to ....

Support....

I'm still trying to figure out why cats can't read a sentence, and answer the question asked....

Just sayin...

Full circle.

We wouldn't need it to be the "Entire Company"...

I don't care what Rosemary the secretary's opinion is...

it's obvious that we're talking about the part of Serato that deals with support...

smh
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The ninjas that hadle real issues at serato are tell u that they have MacBook pros. They have them for a reason. Johnny is old and can get it into his ashy thick head of his. For all u other windows genius, sorry to break it to ya. Serato runs better on osx. Vsl or serato video shood be band on windows. Accept the tru.....

BAM!

Yo johnny......you do realise your pc related posts have done more to promote the use of Macs.....ironic or intentional.?

:-)

I'm seriously NOT ANTI-Mac, so ironic it is as I'm going to have to venture to the MAC side anyway...so..it is what it is...

You should accept a dictionary....

Eww nh nm

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the 300th replier to this thread steals mixes from other djs and plays them at the clubs
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What # are we on?

300.

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Just to clarify so nobody gets the wrong idea, we are all for freedom of choice. We want our users to use the best system that works for them, so we dont want to tell people what to do.

We provide support and support information on our website for BOTH Windows and Apple computers, however if someone were to ask our opinion, we the Support Team, would 99% of the time recommend Apple computers for use with our software.

Bamm... Is the any way you can re- write that for old men that can seem to understand logic.

Thanx

Can't *

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if this thread makes it to 400, I'll stop posting with ay yep
*fingers crossed behind back*
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As speculated earlier in this thread, would that be because the software just works "Better" on a MAC?

I refuse to believe the reason you'd recommend a MAC is because it's less likely to "get viruses" and whatnot...

yes, Johnny. Shit works better on a mac.

serato
web browsing
porn

all the important stuff.


PLEASE. FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF AND STFU. PLEASE!!!!

Dub,

Look, you may consider yourself Mr. 1200 and CV masterbater and whatnot on here, but let's be clear...

You would NOT say that to my face, so if YOU know like I know, you better stick to spray painting turntables and other cutesy things....

If you don't like what I post, GTFO...Point blank..

Nobody else is in here disrespectin' like I've got your girl all hemmed up or something, except your dumb azz, so again, keep it movin.

Nah mean?

Damn Jah Knee,

You got me all wrong, I would say it to your face.

But I would also show you everything you are asking about. I mean we are going on years here about you asking about Macs. We all know you are a PC badass, but the fact that you are mac-curious is no secret.

I only pressure you because, all the time you are wasting here getting the same answer over and over again could be spent putting new wicked vinyl only mixes, getting to know good new music, or fixing more PCs AKA making more $$$.

You are a grown man, you should not be spending this much time on a forum asking the opinion of others. Show some respect for yourself and be a wolf, not a sheep.

Obviously, I do like what you post because I keep reading. I just want some new material. nah mean?

I guess I should have put something cutesy in my original post, but that really isn't my thing.

;-)

I KNOW you ain't talkin' about a GROWN MAN spending time on a MESSAGE BOARD when you took an enormous chunk out of your life to create 2 of the longest threads on this boards history and then followed it up with a website dedicated to pretty records...

Don't WORRY about WTF I do with my time...

Do I get all misty eyed when you keep posting up the slightest blemish on that newly released RARE CV?

Stay with posting rainbow Records, and don't get in Grown Folks business, namely mine.

Like I said, You ain't my chick, so don't worry about what I'm concerned about...

I don't need YOUR pressure, you ain't my chick. Stick with cutesy LED's., that's your speed.

Oh, and if you want some new material, you know where I be...

I be in da club.

haha

u mad bro?

Nope, just concerned about -

You obviously have nothing better to do...

you think I didn't ask the same questions as you at some point.

I wasn't born with a silver mac in my mouth. I spent a good decade tweaking PCs too.

I don't give two tiddies what hardships you had growing up...

Really I don't care, but I'm sayin, don't be concerned about how I GO ABOUT asking questions...

And basically whatever you've done, I'm sure I spend double the amount of time doing it, so keep it movin, there ain't nuffin you can teach me.

Now, back on topic...again.

Johnny,

I not sure why your panties are in so much of a bunch with me. I've been nothing but helpful to you, and anyone else on this board for that matter. I guess you read a little too deep in my tone in that last post.

If you post your question on a public forum, you are going to get all kinds of answers including mine.

There is no back on topic, because it has been beat to death.

See that up there? ^^^^ That's you being bitchmade...

WHY?

I don't know...

If you don't like what I post, go pimp something....you don't HAVE to contribute...

But hey, if you want to come at me sideways, then keep it up.

Everybody else was rockin' with it...you wanna derail *ish...

I don't get it, nobody's been responding to your threads?

AND JUST NOW, I see you even felt it necessary to follow me here... serato.com

wtf is the matter with you?

You need some P*ssy...stat.

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I think he didn't like the way you spoke to him, telling him to shut the fuck up. But to play both sides, I enjoy the CV thread and website so...
can we all just get along? It's a thread about laptops. Let's not beef on something so small. Let's beef over politics and hygene.
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Damn "Homey" you were right (you know who you are), this cat IS ON some stalker *ish...

smh...

You smell me? Everyone gets ribbed on here...even YOU throw a stab or two, but you keep it movin...

THIS DUDE, however lacks social skills, p*ssy, a hug, something...

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I wish not to smell a male *shrugs*
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johnny's mad bro
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i agree with dub tho just stfu man

no social skills?

I said please twice!

Well you did talk about hygiene

he mad

Not mad, just trying to derail ainy ideas he has about us being "friends"...

A few went that route, and well...

Let's just say - his nickname should be Whodini with all them smoke and mirrors...

:-), and I smiled when I said it..

Ah, the guy who still can't 'INTERPRET" question correctly....

I figured you'd be here soon...

Have a seat.

Correct, we believe the architecture of an Apple computer is better for use with audio applications in general.

Cool! Thanks again for weeding through the BS to respond!

I sat back too long and watched this shit go from entertaining to straight up sad, then back again, thanks guys.... :D

Johnny...as stated again, again, again and again....when it comes to audio programs (SSL, Traktor, and any audio production or DVS) a MAC is RECOMMENDED, not because it's shinny and high priced, but because (yes...it just works better 99% of the time).

I don't know how much more convincing, proof,encouragement you need. The only thing I can offer is to try it out on your own (again, this has been said numerous times) and see for YOURSELF, what works best for YOU.

Facts:
You stated you don't intend to do video (I don't either)
You are VERY familiar with PC(windows) and love that shit
There is no exact wording on SERATO fully endorsing MACS (but they highly recommend them), so it's safe to say THAT part of the argument is over.

Check This:
Imagine showing up to a gig alongside other dj's, or maybe just 1, he has a SL Box different from what you have at home, and used before (You got SL3 right?), time for the switchover, he unplugs then you plug in..........then there it happens...........you gotta load drivers and risk the possibility that it don't work right and now there is a long silence...everyone is looking like WTF???

Now Check This:
Let's setup that same scenario, with a MAC, after buddy unplugs, you plug in....it don't matter wtf SL box he got (or mixer), give it a few SECONDS that shit will load up. (That right there, should be enough for the 'professional' to invest in the glowing fruit.


Personal Experience:
I've had 2 Windows machines running SSL (no video) these machines were fairly above minimum specs, fully optimized, all the shit turned off, and still gave me issues 60% of the times gigging, luckily I was always with fellow dj's who had other machines/backups or even went back to cds.
This happened several times, until I was like "F*&K this, If I'm going to go anywhere, or at least feel confident while using SSL out live, I gotta get a MAC" and just like you, I did my research, saved up the money, spent the money, used it for silly shit, saved it again, bought other gear, talked myself out of getting it, put it back on my to do list...it took me 2 years to finally get around to getting my MAC (Feb of this year I got the Oct 2011 MBP $1019 refurb from the Apple website) since then, I've had a few gigs, baby showers, and now a weekly thing going and not a single issue so far and I didn't tweak, or do anything special to my MAC.

Bottom Line:
The ultimate decision is yours to make, If you choose to go the route of MAC you won't regret it, you should be problem free (compatibility wise) for at least 3-4 years (because you won't need the higher specs for video) and coupled with Apple care, you can breathe easy in the event something does go wrong computer wise. Once again coming from windows myself and no fanboy shit, YOU WON'T REGRET IT. I would suggest getting familiar with the OSX platform as somethings don't work the same as on windows....YOUTUBE is great for this info, that's where I got 85% of my info from when I was considering the switch.



I leave with this:
To all who are saying "It doesn't matter what you have, as long as you can use it, or it's how you rock it"
My questions are:
Why do you have Technics/Pioneers? couldn't you be just as good on stanton or numark?
Why do you frown on the VDJ guy? does he not rock a crowd as good??

My guess is: "Cause those are industry standards" right? So why not push for the 'industry standard' when it comes to performing live dj sets, and that is and was proven and suggested to be MAC.

The debate will NEVER end..... but at least the senseless back and forth in this thread can end, with a lock because clearly by now, Johnny has gotten enough proof and facts about his initial questions.

Thanks for that INTELLIGENT response...lol.

Real quick...I don't know if it's a regional thing, but for whatever reason, I NEVER cross-gig with people....I understand what you're saying about installing Drivers all the time, or on the fly, but I've never been in a situation where I gig after somebody, or somebody jocks after me...not that I don't get your point, but I just wanted to throw that out there...

As for this -

60%????

I don't understand how you could gig with such frequency of error, or tolerate it...but I don't know your computer background, so I can't assume that the machine was TRULY optimized, not making excuses for Windows, but just sayin...

I run Serato on a Windows PC with Antivirus enabled, Wifi, and internet browsers going if I need too, and I can MAKE it hiccup if I wanted to, but like I said previously, NO problems...none, nil..

As for your PC, was it a CLEAN install of Windows? Not to re-ignite the debate (as I said I've BEEN sold on getting the MAC, but wanted to know why Serato had no "Official" stamp on it), but a CLEAN install, vs. trying to remove bloatware that's preinstalled makes a big difference in performance.

Lots of people THINK they've optimized their Windows box, but in reality haven't scratched the surface...

Thanks again for the post though....enlightening...

and johnny will still not get a mac because of the amount of money they cost.

Yes you may be right about the 'fully optimized' part, I'm no geek squad or IT by day professional, but I'm fairly knowledgeable about it.

60% may have been a lil too drastic but you get my point non the less, and as you stated, your machine does fine with all that other stuff enabled.

1 machine was a clean install of windows and the other was removal of bloatware alongside the optimization guide that's found here on the website somewhere. As for internet activity, I used my desktop to download and do everything else computer wise so the laptops were 90% serato only.

I'm convinced you are already sold on the whole Mac thing, I'm just puzzled why are you so bent on getting an official endorsement from Serato? not that anything is wrong with that I'm just curious and I'm pretty sure a lot of others are also.

I THOUGHT so about the "optimization" thing. The truth is that even with an "Optimization Guide", you're not guaranteed to get everything that could be affecting performance. People don't understand this....or maybe don't have the time to understand it....but I get it.

The best way is (if possible), to do a CLEAN install, so you know exactly what's under the hood.

As for this -

Again, it's like EVERYBODY now has a MAC (that used to have a Windows machine), but couldn't tell me anything from a TECHNICAL standpoint of why it was so much better than a Windows machine.

The performance differences were MARGINAL, but not necessarily worth the upgrade (to a MAC) if you had a Windows machine (just for DJ'ing not video), that was working properly, which I had...

So in an effort to JUSTIFY such a move, I needed to know that Serato officially would endorse a MAC over a Windows PC, because it would actually RUN BETTER on a MAC, than just getting it for a "Time Saving" measure...(i.e. having to tweak Windows about every 2.5 years vs. a MAC which needed no work done on it for like 4 years.).

So I'm like there HAS to be somewhere on here where they officially give the OS the thumbs up - but it was NOWHERE, until I started asking the direct question....

And they graciously answered it...

I appreciate those who were giving their "experiences" but I wanted to know from the horses mouth...because some of that "Virus" talk when describing the differences between the MAC vs. PC are opinionated, as if you have an "Informed user" on a Windows machine, they'll be fine...

That's all.

"no work done for 4 years" is kind of relative... I've found that running a permissions repair while booting from a separate drive (CD or otherwise) every once in a while between backups helps a bit but I don't know if you would consider that "work".

Every 2.5 years you (well, I) usually need a new Windows "Install"...

Major overhaul...but by that time, I've usually wanted to install a new and better harddrive anyway...

i call bs you been on this forum 75 years and im yet to see a pic

thats why youu should get a mac lol

This sh-storm of a thread is the reason Serato is vary of going official about these recommendations.
People get all emotional about they're preferred equipment.

Honestly, that's your personal "experience", and I don't now any DJs (in real life, no forum cats) that would say the difference is MARGINAL, for them its HUGE.

Thanks, however it's not MY personal experience, but friends of mine who have made the switch.

See, I needed someone who was "Just As" Windows savvy (or even a Windows Fanboy) to tell me "Why" they switched, but from a technical standpoint....not "It's Just Better", etc..etc...

Better is relative.

Either that, OR something "Official", (or somebody "Official" from Serato) to say - "Yes - Serato runs better on a MAC", then that's the end of the story.

And also this here - - that ALSO is subjective, as how do we know that those guys actually knew how to get Windows running right in the first place?

Most don't.

I'm good though...

This thread is a no brainer... smh... from the beginning of time apple computers were the choice for music production etc. i have never owned a mac but i've had to use them and i have knowledge about the way their built structure is hardware and software so i support it 100%... I only use a pc because of the other apps i use. A pc can work for u with proper maintenance and once u know what u r doing. but the mac makes life easy.

ANY DAY WINDOWS STOP NEEDING DRIVERS WOULD BE THE DAY EVERYONE STARTS USING PCs BUT UNTIL THEN APPLE IS THE WAY OUT>>>

My desktop needed one about every 1.5 years. I would go thru and install each of the drivers for the motherboard, graphics card, network card, one by one (using XP until just last year). Then reinstall all my programs. Then do all the updates. It would take at least a day, maybe more... I'm no Windows wiz, but I know how and what needs to be done to get a fresh install done properly.

This summer I got a new (used) MacBook Air for the wife, and a new hardrive for my MBP. I had a bootable Lion dik on USB, and set aside a whole day to wipe each computer and do a fresh install of the OS, iLife, and then transfer all the documents, settings, and music/photo libraries over everything. I was done both by 11am...

It's very straightforward, no d*cking around looking for the right drivers for each individual component, no multiple restarts. Coming from a Time Machine backup, all my applications transferred seamlessly, all my settings, bookmarks and even my desktop background were there without having to do anything at all.

Maybe you shouldn't get a Mac Johnny - you will be bored!

LOL!

The scenario you described is pretty much dead on to what Deez was telling me.

Yes, I'd have to set aside an entire day if not more to do a Clean install of Windows.

Hearing that it takes a FRACTION of the setup time and that it would last for YEARS is what I keep saying has SOLD me on the MAC.

I GET it...lol....nobody has to "Sell" me on the MAC...I truly get it...

Realistically, you could say I was a Fanboy of Windows, as I knew how to make it do anything I needed...

Hearing that his "co-workers" have all migrated to MAC (New "company"), and nobody told me ..lol.!

So before you take the plunge, (quit your old job, or at least reduce the hours) you ask "Why", and expect "Intelligent" answers, but everybody says "Just do it"...

You finally get to someone who can put it in perspective of "Hey, its KIND OF LIKE our old job, but the climate is a lot more "Employee Friendly" or smooth...no crazy bosses, no working OT and not getting paid, etc..etc..Enough stuff to make a difference and with lower PAY (higher price of the MAC), BUT you're guranteed to work here for the rest of your life...vs. being a "contractor".

This is not for hard headed people. It has been stated by serato troubleshooting team that osx is the way to go for applications that run audio. They all have macs that run osx. The difference between the audio performance is more than marginal. They even say and that they do cost more but defenetly worth it. So to recap again. Get a Mac because the os is better built to Handel audio applications.

Well there's your problem, Win 7 takes about 1/2 hour to do a clean install. The new machines are all fitted with a hidden partition that allow you to do this with a mouse click.

Your using an 11 year old operating system as a measuring stick.

*You're

haha well I was trying to relate to Johnny's experience!

I just did a friend's laptop yesterday win Win7, only took about 45 mins for the main install. But I didn't get into specific drivers and updates and whatnot...

LOL

Any one else wears Fruit of the looms briefs?

Every user experience is personal and therefore subjective, and yes I was a major windows fanboy for about 10 years. I worked in a graphics department of a national TV broadcaster, 3 channel network. Most of my co-workers were mac users, I was a diehard Windows user, using highend workstations and laptops, no bloatware cheap stuff.

But after a some years, I had a serious go at the macs. And the bottom line is, macs are less maintenance. For most memory/cpu intensive programs I use: Adobe After Effects, Photoshop, Final Cut, Scratch Live & Ableton the stability is superior to all the windows machine I ever tried (IBM, Dell, Boxx, HP, SGI, Alienware).

When on a deadline for delivery, this is no marginal difference, its CRITICAL. In those situations, you won't have time troubleshoot the system, you just need to get the project out the door. The only exception In my work is Autodesk Maya, which runs smoother on a PC (or SGI IRIX back in the day).

I know you're sold on the mac by now Johnny, but DAYUM!! - that was a hard sell ;D

Really?

Are you serious?

That would kind of make my day

No really

you know I got love for ya ;)

Lmfao @ tha chad!

Thats seriously funney

Im STILL laughin

I just wanna know who is getting the commission
on selling Mac to Johnny. "that was a hard sale"

hahaha

The Closer was the lotion with the purchase of the lappy!!!

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what. the. fuck. chad?
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I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you could you please post again..... I mean repeat that again?

lol :)

Hope you got a new sig planned cause t1.gstatic.com

OK, I'm a MAC hater but if the support team says to use a mac then the next time I buy a new laptop for SSL I will get a mac... so in about 4 or 5 years... depending on the how fast technology advances

At least ya honest unlike some other dudes.....lol

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but I crossed my fingers though so it null and void so ha
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NOPE

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bull shit. Finger crossed means whatever comes out of my mouth is not to be taken seriously. I request for this thread to be locked so we can sweep this under the table, take it on a boat, and bury it at sea like Megatorn's body in Transformers 1, and never speak of this again
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for sale:

trademark and copyright to "ay, yep"
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IBTL

Man, y'all still got this goin?

This was sooooooo yesterday....


















:-D
***Get's post closer to 400****

EXACTLY!!!!

This is the effect I'm talking about...because I would NOT be seriously considering buying a MAC until something like this is said...

See how that insider trading stuff works?

MAC stocks just shot up some more...

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ok. To prevent this from getting to 400 replies, maybe I should post nude pics of #TittyTuesdays from Twitter. Or would Chad just swoop in likea Chicken Hawk and remove the link from my post?
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just came back from the apple store. Them new joints are fast. The way to to is non retina model. Upgrade the internal drive with a SSD. Max out the ram. Get the adapter from thunderbolt to usb,firewire so you can keep your externals (might want to get a USB 3.0 enclosure). My main concern was the new cooling system. Ran cooler than the older models. Ran some intense programs at the store... they stayed cool.

true....but this is a forum homie, it aint come out your mouth your fingers gave you up (NH NM)

if your lookin for the chad to get you outta this your outta luck lol

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I will return to this thread once it goes RIAA gold which is 500 replies. Which it will not.
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