Solidsnake thanks for the scoop on the 380! I knew Vestax had to be coming out with a new Itch controller and I am ecstatic! I doubted the VCI 300 when it came out but I'll be getting the 380 EARLY!!

It looks epic:

www.digitaldjtips.com

Best controller yet. Sampler, Roll, Loop, SLICER pads. FX on... built like a 400 (at least we assume)

LED sticker!

Compact.

... and ITCH so it's plug an play.

My VCI-300mk2 has now found worthy replacement.

and they didn't jump on the worthless 4ch bandwagon.

Looks amazing, RGB (velocity sensitive?) pads....
hardware mixer....
Vestax quality...
and a heck of lot more compact than an S1.

I think we have a winner here....

can anyone see a hamster switch?.. back to my midi hack for that if not.

I think you can set that in ITCH prefs, not 100% sure though.

I just hope those pitch faders are nice and accurate...

other than that, can't wait....

Doh!!! My apologies to phatbob... He didn't necessarily foresee this, but he definitely argued the point of the VCi-400 not supporting ITCH...

AND..........

.......BOOTH OUT!!!!!!

That thing looks very well put together!

www.vestax.com. More info and eye candy at vestax

Though vestax needs spell check. LoL

CONTOLLERIST

Shutup and take my money!

^This

I honestly can't think of anything I'd add to it...

I was never a fan of Vestax, however the pads on this controller caught my eye and I'm a big fan of slice mode (novation twitch) which makes an appearance on this vestax controller.

I hope the NSP6 (google it) comes out sooner than later....

@thebeatworx

Big hugs! LOL

However, I did get it kinda wrong in the past, I predicted that Vestax would bring out an Itch/400 equivalent at NAMM, instead we've got this now.

It does look dope. Personally, having used the Twitch for a few months and got used to the power of smart sync, my next controller needs to have 4 decks in order to go 'next level'.

But as a replacement for the 300, this thing looks like a BEAST.

Actually I'm most excited by the Pad FX, as that hints that we'll finally get the FX being worked on properly in a forthcoming version of Itch, which is good for everybody.

i think this might have just been a musicmesse surprise that someone at vestax let out the bag to early lol

looks awsome tho and if its the right price i think i will move over to itch as i have been looking to do so for a while

Almost makes me wanna go back to itch...

It has pad fx... maybe ean golden was involved somehow? maybe that will push serato to fix ITCH fx?

sending my vci-300 mkii back right now

Yep, it looks the mutts nuts!

Maybe it's time to eBay the DDJ S1 before it looses more money.

Amen! So so glad that I didn't buy the VCI-400 because it didn't feel right knowing Vestax and Serato in the past had partnered up for a dedicated Itch controller. The puzzle was really missing, until now.....

Kudos to Vestax for reading the comments and taking those into considering when making the VCI-380. Thank you for ditching the TS 1/4" master out and opting for the XLRs. Bigger thank you dedicated booth out (disappointment with RCAs choice over TS 1/4" though). And the biggest kudos to you Vestax for making it a stand-alone audio mixer with external inputs!!!!

More news in over at DJWORX....

djworx.com

Looks awesome!!! Can't wait to try it.

Suggested retail at $999 so street maybe $799? Same price VCI-300 launched at if I remember correctly.

I'll get that and the new MacBook pro Ivy bridge. Sweeeeet.

i was about to post the opposite i would love this controller even more with 4 decks.

making plans to sell my pimped out 300mkII but kinda curious if the wheels are going to be as nice

Seems they covered all the "to be improved" things of the VCI 300.
Mmmmm, I think I'm interested in checking this controller out :-D

Controller looks absolutely sick but I will switch back to Itch when Itch includes a "MIDI clock OUT" :-/

want

If someone asked me for the perfect controller I would've said:
A mix of Twitch & VCI-300MKII.
Now I say VCI-380 - thanks Vestax :)

Vestax started the controller movement with the VCI-100 and now are taking the lead once again with this controller. Thoroughly impressed. Also with the way sample decks can be used in ITCH, no need for 4 channels at all.

^ truth

can you guys imagine what a clever DJ may do with 8 cue points on a specially prepared videoclip?

Yeah I would like to know ;) when will you make a youtube vid? LOL

check out what Joaquim Garraud does with his keytar and VSL, and you'll have an hint ;)

I disagree with this assessment. I use 2-Decks myself, but I can see numerous benefits to 4 channels.

Either way, I don't mind this new unit, though I swear it looks like someone compressed the VCI-300 and Novation Twitch onto the same device. That said...



"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit" :P

just my last words for now about 2 or 4 decks, I think it really should be up to the user a way to pick 2 or 4 decks, why update itch to have 4 decks then make a new HOT controller which i know 100% am gonna get one BUT now i have to go back to 2 decks WTF just add a use 2 or 4 deck option and start pleasing all users.

ITCH devices and features are starting to become as [if-not-more] fragmented as [/than] Android OS; and it seems that this is the status quo. I hope this is not the situation.

same here, this is the only all in one i guess that covers itch completely

Next up on deck....... Numark

Next up? How about Denon or Allen & Heath? At least the Xone DX deserves an offspring. Denon would need to go HAM.

I would bet my money that allen&heat are preparing something sweet too so i'l wait a little and see the new itch controler they release , Prehaps at the musicmese??? Lets see🐷

I bet the DX has sold so few units that Allen & Heath will never make an Itch controller again.

Not a comment on the product, just based on my impressions of how their Itch project has gone.

DX is a great product just the introductory price point killed it IMO.

Should I keeping homes up for Denon maybe support 6000 or new version of SSL denon controller or jump off the Demon Ship?. All I own is denon and fear brand change for some reason. I give the younger generation of DJs props for being so open minded abouts brands and information changes in todays market. I2012 has seen so many changes but I'm still rocking a great set on 1200's TTs & mobile on denon cdjs. That being said I'm also not a live producer when spinning either and love letting a track speak for itself with how it was originally remixed. There so many markets out there for DJs its really great to see how investments of gear pays off in the skills of all formats DJs mix these days. I'm even more excited to watch Serato software products merging together to help make it so much easier for us to have all options in one stable process.

The NS6 is damn near perfect; (4 decks, sp6 sample triggering) the only thing it doesn't have is pads which is ok as I use the hot cue buttons; I can mimic slicing with the sp6 loading a track in each slot with different 6 cue points and looping or starting from cue points and using the sync in the sp6, if they just add a slicing feature in the sp6 i'll be fine using the cue butons to trigger and manipulate the slices.

I just sold my recently brought vci300 on ebay I know its a bit early but the VCI380 is the controller of my dreams . its is everything I ever wanted in a 300 and more

I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.

#1) Thank God it has booth outputs. Why some manufacturers refuse accept the vital importance of this basic feature for so many DJs is beyond me.

#2) Kudos on XLR main outputs. This will make many DJs' lives a whole lot easier since XLR is the norm in the field making adapters a whole lot less frequently needed.

#3) It appears the at the control surface is now a nice, professional, non-glare matte texture rather than that horrific, shiny, glossy, fingerprint magnet, cheesy, crap plastic many other manufacturers and models (e.g. VCI-300) used. Please tell me the VCI-380's control surface is black anodized aluminum. For $1K it better be.

#4) The SYNC, CUE, and PLAY/PAUSE buttons look awfully cheap for a unit at this price point. So do the fader caps. Finish this detail and you've got a real winner.

#5) This better not have the poor audio output level problems that Novation's Twitch does. What a debacle that was.

The pitch resolution is fine with me; i'm used to riding nice long blends too, I'm used to pitching with the ns6; sometimes I use the led's in the top center by the efx section to pitch it up real quick and lightly touch the outside of the platter to keep it in time and lately I've been beatgridding and syncing; I can pitch with my eyes closed so I don't consider it cheating.

As far as keeping it real for those that are against sync and using controllers and not turntables; I say keep it real and record your mixes on magnetic tape reel to reel or casette; why use a hard drive to record your mixes; lol; keep it real!

Also, will someone please explain to me why so many manufactures put two red clip indicators on the level meters? I mean red means clip, right? So what is double reds, double clipping?

I think each color bars on the meter indicates a 3 decibel difference. even tho the first red bar is a clipping you can still need to know where your at as far as gain stages. for example if digital clipping happens over 0db then the first red bar is 3db over 0db, and the second red bar is 6 db over 0

How are vestax pitch faders generally? ( e.g. On the VCI300)
Are they as good as those on the S1?

another anoyying point is that the mic volume and booth volume controlls are on the back of the unit. apart from that a wicked unit.

this thing will be a killer if it get supported by scratch Live or someone here figure out how to map the jogwheels similar to the dn6000

nice

i'm not familiar with this, what is this pitch resolution you speak of?

I take my NS7 or I use a V7, and I can move the pitch in .01 percentile increments. Anytime I've demoed the NS6, I get increments of ~.13%.

I'm not making this up regarding the NS6. This has been discussed before: serato.com

got to hope for better fx here for the software, otherwise those pads wont get much use

serato.com

It is now on the front page of this forum :)

I have a feeling the faders will be the same Faders found on the VCI-300 but hopefully they allow the CF-X2 in this controller also. The fact that I have the CF-X2 in my VCI-300 means I can't sell due to not being able to reverse the drivers on it.

It says the CF-X2 is compatible
vestax.com

I'm on the same boat. I also have the CF-X2 installed on my VCI-300MK2. I paid a little more for the CF-X2 when it just came out. If only there was a firmware to reverse the process, so I can keep the CF-X2, when I sell the VCI-300MK2.

damn. just bought NS-6 after NAMM show. thought there will be no other new things.. But that loooks soo great!

There are always new things. It's a matter of buying what suits you at the time.

looking forward to an in depth review of this piece of equipment.

was gonna sell my 300 but now i'm gonna unload my mixer, EFX, and SL1 because you can hook techs right into this thing and leave the 300 for backup and cheap gigs :)

this might be itch controller i've been waiting for!

You can hook up tech's but I don't think you will be able to use them to control the virtual decks tho

looking at the pics ---- how do you assign the FX to each deck? Can you only assign one FX per deck?? (one for each side?)

I think it looks great. I had a VCI-300 and loved. Only thing with controllers is that I'm not a fan of "performance modes" and having one button do multiple things or having to press shift for secondary functions. After a long night this gets confusing.

+1. In that perspective: less is more...

vestax does it again. i loved the vci-300... this guy well this guy is even cooler

Exactly!

Mark, time to ask the admin to change skratchworx to djworx :)

If I read the specs correctly, you also can't use the EQs with the line/phono inputs - but you can use the filter? Seems a little counter-intuitive. Otherwise this thing looks like a monster!

Curious why ANY new Itch controllers are coming out without buttons or knobs for video control though. If they opened up video mapping via an iPad/iPhone app, this thing would be damn near perfect as far as backpack-sized controllers go!

If I read the specs correctly, you also can't use the EQs with the line/phono inputs - but you can use the filter? Seems a little counter-intuitive. Otherwise this thing looks like a monster!


I read incorrectly - looks like you CAN use the EQs, plus the FX knob works as a filter when running analog sources through. VERY interesting indeed!

^^^^self-quote mega-fail. Oh well, it's Monday. :)

Here's a question about the 380, if anyone from Serato or Vestax is reading this...

When running in analog mixer mode, will the faders/crossfader be MIDI-assignable and still perform their analog functions?

Considering selling my 300mk2 and getting one of these for the home studio - then running it with an SL1 and turntables. Would be awesome if I could MIDI-map all of my SSL audio and video FX, transitions etc. to buttons on the 380 and use it with 1200s when I want a "full" setup, but then take JUST the controller when I need a compact and easy setup solution...

^ good question and that's makes tons of sense.

Is there a soft case for the 380 out there or if it will ship with a soft case? Now that would be a bonus! :)

great looking machine!
i all most want one...
except its only 2deck and not 4???????????????????????

I for one am glad they made it 2 decks only. If I wanna play more decks, I want physical control over all of them at all times. ie 4 physical decks.

And having 6 sample slots synced to the main bpm really allows for 8 decks in total.
The only thing missing would be hardware gain, eq, lpf/hpf & fx for the sample slots.
Then again, I might be wrong about the fx, been a long time since I messed with itch...

This is a great idea, but I think a cleaner way of doing this would be if Serato offered a paid-for timecode plugin for Itch. The plugin could be branded as Rane - like the pitch n time plugins.

The vci-380 would be the perfect controller to launch this new plugin.

Personally, I would love this setup.

rane doesn't make pnt. serato does. and supposedly, they're still "working on it". keep wishing tho..

serato.com

Uhhh you linked back to this thread? Just curious as to what you meant to link to.

sorry..... i meant to link this thread to the vci 400 one

Now you put that thought in my head... With a CF-X2 in there it would make for a dope mixer with a lot of midi assignable buttons for Scratch Live.

My thoughts exactly. In fact (I know this is blasphemy to some), I would even consider getting the 380 INSTEAD of a 61 or 62 if it works like this. I am pretty happy with my 57 and my 300mk2 overall, and would only be jumping to the 62 to get added functionality/bells and whistles. IF I could make the 380 "my bitch" and set up the knobs and buttons how I wanted when using SSL, it might actually be a more useful (and versatile) unit to spend money on... for me anyway.

Yeah man, I just picked up the 61 too, wish that thought wouldn't have crossed my mind.

The slightly raised/angled pad sections on the VCI-380 is a nice touch.

are VCI dj smarter then NS dj users???
1st got the VCI-300 and loved the Platter scroll then i seen the NS6 which like the superman of controllers but i hate that there is no platter scroll so i started a thread serato.com and here is what a a member of team serato said...



now here comes the new VCI380 which by the photos clearly has platter scroll so Mr Logan what happened do all NS djs have 2 left hands why you guy always like "I personally dont think xyz" give us the option in the setting to pick for our self.

I haven't been here for a couple of days a New controller pops out.......My VCI300 finally had a worthy replacement......Time to save and Get this Bad Boy......lol

1st.... This unit will be purchased the 1st day or pre ordered. My Vci400 just went back. Seemed like a complete waste to release the 400 w/ Serato Intro software 1st. Serato seems to have a huge controller base for itch & knew this was going to happen. Our time, some's tax returns or earned $ has been wasted.
Now , after saying that... I can't wait to get mine!!! Eff Dat!!! Lol....

AGI is taking pre orders . Starts shipping mid April......

Question to Vestax/Serato:
Will the VCI-380 have manual loop control (in/out buttons) ?

Ive never been a fan of the Vestax controllers because of the size.
Ns6, Ns7, 4 track, ddjs1, are the perfect size for me, anything smaller looks and has the feel of a toy. All this is about to change as I just ordered Twitch, it will be here tomorrow. However, it will be used to compliment the ns6, not standalone. I'll try it for 30 days to see if it suits me well.

For most people, they are fans of controllers such as the VCI series and Twitch and the DX because of the size. Most of us have a full blown DVS system so we are looking for something that is small and compact not something that is just as big as a DVS system. 2 CDJ 350/400's and a DJM-350 is just as big as the ddj-s1, ns6, smaller than ns7 (and lighter too).

It's all relative, a lot of controllerists have always wanted that full blown system, so the ns6 and ddj-s1 represent the NDX line and CDJ-400 line as far as controllers go, so people tend to look at those bigger controllers. Whereas DVS users tend to look at smaller controllers as to have something compact that can perform very well, and Vestax delivers. I'm not saying that DVS users don't look at the bigger controllers too, just that they look to suit their needs, and having a smaller compact controller is the way to go for gigs you just can't bring the turntables out.

Also to say Vestax controllers look and feel like toys is pretty arrogant. If you want to look at it that way all the controllers you listed are toys because it isn't a DVS, CDJ setup, or Vinyl setup. In fact if you took a poll I'd bet that the VCI-300 wins for best non-moving jog wheels and it already has the best faders especially with the CF-X2 crossfader.

Bingo. So many people make the mistake of viewing DVS vs. Big Controllers vs. Compact Controllers as an either/or choice and it's not. Comparing these is ridiculous. Having different tools for different situations is a much smarter approach.

^ Good points.

My home set up are two 1200's + DJM 800 + SSL. At my club gigs I play on CDJ's. I had a VCI-300 for small mobile parties and recently upgraded to a DDJ-S1. This past Saturday I played at a lounge that had some crappy gear and figured I'd take my DDJ-S1. I haven't had a good excuse to use it yet. It worked great btw.

But...I was talking to my friend and I said that although the layout was great, the size was very close to a standard set up, it just didn't "feel" the same as real gear. That I could've played the exact same set on a VCI-300 with no worries. I was hoping the DDJ-S1 would mimick that same feel of real gear that I find very enjoyable. It was great, I'll probably still hang on to it --- but the VCI-380 now intrigues me because of the size I could probably take it more places than the DDJ-S1.

Selling my DVS equipment in Canada if anybody wants so I can plug Technics into the 380 :D

toronto.kijiji.ca

As snake says, Already have tech 1210s with the 68 for full size setup, CDJ1000 for medium,
so a 380 can be real useful as a miniature setup, but still more "pro" than others out there...

Yeah, my #1 choice is always a two or three Technics SL-1200s, a REAL mixer (eg: Rane Rotary Empath, E&S DJR400, Urei, Bozak, et al), and a Rane SL4 . We all know the first part of that equation (1200s) is quickly becoming extinct in the field so bouncing to CDJs is the current #2 choice only because that's what's usually available. I've got a NS6, which aside from the horrible metering section I love for banging around at home on the fly or for smaller/medium sized gigs that I can bring gear and has space for it (and of course not using vinyl either), but the NS6 won't fit in the majority of booths I encounter.... so I had gotten a Twitch unit to fill the ultra-compact solution, but could never get used to rotary pitch controls and the poor output volume always required me to bring a level-boosting device to gig, which defeated the whole point of having an "all-in-one" portable solution that I could throw in a bag and fit in booths. This VCI-380 looks to be the first true pro caliber unit to fill the ultrs-compact need I have. Bravo Vestax if it's constructed, feels, performs, sounds like I hope it will. :fingerscrossed:

^^^ That being said, my ultimate hope is that Rane will eventually wake up and produce a proper controller like we all know Rane could do if they did. Everything else always feels like a compromise.

A midi controller for Scratch Live by RANE will top them all

Ya except they have never built a media player to my knowledge.

When I read that... Lord of the Rings came to mind...

"Nine MIDI controllers for mortal men (DX, V7, NS6, NS7, DDJ-S1, Twitch, HC5000, VCI-300, VCI-380)
One MIDI controller from RANE on their throne.
One MIDI controller to rule them all, One MIDI controller to find them,
One MIDI controller to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of New Zealand(Where Mordor was filmed) where the Serato software(s) lie."

Anddddddd... I'm a nerd (NH, NM)

what makes anyone think that the rane midi controller will top them all... even the midi buttons on the rane mixers are not the best out there

+10. LoL

On the 68 I agree, but the 61/62 much improved. Also didn't say that I thought it would be #1 just when the comment appeared, made me think of Lord of the Rings lol...

Personally I've always used Vestax products(mixers, controllers, tables for a little bit), I think the VCI-380 will be the one to top them all.

What kraal said. No so sure that Rane is the right company for building midi controllers, whether its motorized platters or not. Maybe leave Rane to what they do best.
And I love my 68 btw.
I also have faith in this 380 controller. So again:

Interesting points; I didn't realize I came off arrogant and my apologies for that. I tend to come off strong when I don't like something. I shouldn't have said that they look like toys; I didn't like the feel or handling of the vestax and the size is just not suitable for me; I stopped using 1200's long ago as well as vinyl; just as I no longer use reel to reel or cassette to record music like most of you but that doesn't make me less real than anyone else neither.

I'm in love with the Dicers from novation but have no place for them as one they do not work with itch and two they won't fit anywhere on the NS6, I do envy the turntablists for having such a nifty tool. I'm really impressed with those things as I am with Twitch and the slicer feature; I'm hoping that the NSP6 comes out of vaporware and that I can get them in a pair to sit on each side of the ns6.

Anyway, Good Luck with the Vestax VCI 380, I'm sure many will enjoy it as much as the 300.
I think there are way too many controllers on the market; it's good and it's bad; I cant believe I'm shelling out for Novation Twitch because Serato decided to shelf the nsp6 and have not made the slicer a native twitch feature like the sp6.

The VCI 380 looks like a real winner already because of the pads and slice feature.

I think the real surprise is going to be the MPCDJ now that pads and slice control are becoming an integral part of every new controller coming out.

and with the pads being added to itch seems to be moving more in the direct competition against traktor

Way too many controllers; I bought th apc40 in anticipation of the bridge for itch and now twitch is coming. Itch needs full midi capabikity already. Its been a long time since i used Traktor, I'm so comfortable with Serato but I'm tired of buying companion pieces to get the job done. apc 40 was a big mistake. there's no bridge for itch. and I'm sure I'll enjoy twitch but my ns6 is more than capable of doing the same things.

I say it's time to protest. Serato is starting to make niche controllers for itch.
Oyr controllers are just like turntables they are not disposable. As nice as the VCi 380 is and all these other controllers we need to stop supporting Serato until they give us

Sorry to end this on a sour note but enough is enough.
I'm sure the vestax 300 users would love if they were able to work with live or if itch had the same features as live and full midi mapping/midi learn for any midi controller (dj, keyboard, drum pad)

in fact I'm putting te pressure on Serato right now,

check this video out Watchvimeo.com

This is all we really need! 2 V7's linked with the output going to the IO2. APC in the middle as the dj mixer, macro's, eq's and fileters mapped. All MIDI. short, simple, & sweet.
And he's using ableton live!

Wake up everyone! If ableton makes live a full blown dj application I'm out!
Give us midi in itch!

Serato does not make the controllers ;)
Serato makes the software. Pioneer, Vestax, Novation, Rane etc etc makes the controllers/mixers Its up to the controller manufacturer to chose what software to use with their product. This is how I perceive the whole deal.

^^^
Serato does have a slice function in itch but it only works with twitch, that's not right.
Serato also made features specific to novations dicer for live.

C'mon man. Serato is just as responsible as anyone else for the too many to count controllers for itch. Again 500 -1300 for these niche itch controllers are crazy.
All the features and midi mapping should be opened up in itch and live and itch should be the mirror image of live for dj midi controllers!

all true but the main issue is you get features based on the controller you choose. so at some point you either may og got the wrong controller. or the feature you want just isnt in the controller that is right for you

I'm with Kraal on this.
Sorry, this is gonna be a looong post, but worth the read...
(Probably gonna add this in the proper feature request thread too...)

In my opinion, Serato needs to adapt their approach from Scratch Live. By this I mean:

#1. Use certified controller/audio interface to get get audio out of the application and move from offline player to full decks. Just like Itch and SSL work currently.

#2. Ability to remap any function in Itch, except for maybe platters, linefaders/crossfaders. This would mean MIDI learn function, and save midi presets like SSL. eg XML files.

#3. Ability to restore selected controller to factory settings. This will unload any active XML midi file.

#4. Ability to add any additional MIDI sub-controller (native Itch of non-native), but leave platter functionality, mixer and output for the main controller/sound interface. A great example is how this works in SSL. I can run the 57 or 68 with lots of native control over SSL, and still add both native sub-controllers like Dicers or HC1000s, or I can add any non-native controllers like triggerfinger or mpd etc. And still the Rane mixer will do what its supposed to.

#5. Ability to connect more than one ITCH main controller. (Eg both ns6 and VCI 300 at the same time). Then in setup select what would be the primary controller. The other one then turns into a map-able sub-controller or even secondary decs. (ie like the SL4 or Sixty Eight works)

- About the native controller argument:
"just plug and play, everything work just like expected, out of the box"
This is still possible with the factory settings restore (#3).
The very first time user plugs in the hardware it will be factory settings anyway...
For those who remember when SSL first got MIDI, it was a godsend!
No one was complaining about having more options, as far as I can remember?

- About "the need for selling controllers" to sustain Serato's business model:
Sure, I get that too. However, there is limit to how often users will can their main controller, especially when they can turn to the competitor who has already adopted a modular sub-controller system. So the answer is simple: have vendors build native modular controllers for ITCH. I mean, both Numark and Vestax have fx modules on the market already. Why not some dedicated PadFX, Serato Video, Sampler controllers. Something to compete with native X1 and F1? This way the customer can choose the easy plug & play controller or they can dabble into own customization.

So to round off, I believe ITCH needs to be steered in such a direction, both to keep clients long term and to support features down the road. Especially Serato Video and the Slicer/PadFX are current examples of these issues.

Or just get Traktor, if you want Traktor.

Much simpler than redesigning from the ground up a product with an opposite philosophy ;)

should read; native Itch or non-native

Cerla, was that aimed at me?
If so, actually had a long look at Traktor, spent about 3 weeks on it.
But I have to say, I really love the ScratchLive GUI, I love my CV collection, I love my Rane 68, my SL4, even my old SL1. But most of all, rebuilding or even running parallel library databases is a pain in the neck. Traktor also messes up my year tags...

I'm not suggesting ITCH go with the same philosophy as Traktor.
(ie very complicated extensive midi mapping setups, above most users comprehension)

What I am suggesting is the Serato trial and tested SSL solution. Remember SSL was not designed for MIDI either, and they found it easier to write it in, than to redesign from the ground up.

a simple midi learn mode and keyboard mapping would go a long way,

Not sure if I would need keyboard mapping though...

I think only some ITCH controls need MIDI mapping, namely for functions not mapped in ITCH hardware.

For specific needs, there's SSL and Traktor.

You might be right about that Cerla. Looking for a good lighthweight alternative to my SSL setup to bring on a plane. > www.flickr.com
I don't really need more than 2 decks most of the time either.
The VCI 380 looks like the best thing (on the paper) for my needs.

it's indeed a beast... anyone knows if it's bigger or big as the 300?

*small as ;)

Gizmo wrote that the new platters are 5 1/3 ie 135mm, and the old ones are 115mm right?
So I'm "photoshop-guessing" something along these lines:
www.flickr.com (overlay) www.flickr.com (side by side)

According the the specs on the Vestax site, its bigger & slightly heavier

vci-300mk2
Size: 410(W)x43(H)x275(D) Knobs not included
Weight : 3.2kg

vci-380
Size: 427(W)x304(D)x60(H)mm (knobs included)
Weight:3.5kg

nice, thanx

this lookin nice

i love it already

so whats the release date so i can replace this 2 year old right platter/channel chipping out issue having vci 300 mk1 i have now?

cause i'm not sure how much longer i can go with a fucked up right channel..especially after i've already replaced the crossfader and the usb port.

vestax need to drop a date so i can properly budget.

will the crossfader be better then the vci 300

probably the same being you have the option to upgrade to a CFX digital crossfader

mid april they are saying

can the VFX-1 be used alongside with the VCI-380?

Probably you can but you won't need it since it's built in.

^ What would be cool is if they sort out Itch video to work with it.

Possibly have the 380 running audio FX and VFX-1 on video. I will probably never mix video out but at least I will be able to tell my bank account a bedtime story.

well it seems like the VCI 380 has only ch fx so if I'm not mistaken a VFX can still apply effects to a mic and master and maybe(wishful thinking) as a 3rd channel effect. I was luckier enough to sale my 300 and not throw in my VFX so I hope it can still be put to use but if not I'll sell the VFX as well. (100$ starting bid on ebay lol)

Is it just me....or did anyone else realize that the vci380 doesn't say itch. all other itch controllers say itch on them! the vci-380 just says serato! is there a possibility of upgrading itch to scratch live or another serato program??

good point I'm so hoping they do. esp with stand alone mixer mode already included. I heard there's gonna be a firmware update that allows the VCi to be used as a stane alone mixer so who knows what Serato has plan.. I think they need to integrate Scratch live and Itch into one program and do away with serato intro but thats desnt seem to be the direction they want to go

I wouldn't count on it ;)

New vci-380 video from musikmesse. It looks the business! I'm a bit disappointed its behind a glass screen though.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks for the reply. I'm just hoping so too because on VCI there is no dedicated efx selector ,nor fx channel selector, so it could be a much easier and creative using effects on vfx-1 ;)

Love my VFX-1 use it in both my itch and SL setups, would never sell it ! Haha, except maybe for a VFX-2 or something.

VFX2 (hint? lol).... first they said April 17 but now Agiprodj Ships May 15,2012. I hope some one has it before that. this is the first time in the history of anything I will buy something at release

Got VCI-400 on release ,and now I'm selling it. ...Alongside with my TSP2 and my 2 Denon DN-SC2000. I'll be getting one of 380 beauties too. *SWITCHER HERE* Coming on the dark side of Serato :) .
I'm looking always and the DDJ-S1 option cause it is much bigger and it got REAL SIZE pitch faders. I'm used to beat match with years,pich fader ,and jog in my 15 years of djing and I like the resolution and accuracy of the long faders. Don't want to start using the damn SYNC thing ,although it useful sometimes and it frees your hands to do crazy effect combination without minding of track drift...
I want to see also how the loop function will work cause there are no IN -OUT buttons which are useful. Sometimes you have to loop something out of 2-4-8-16-32 auto loop options and/or there are moment that you need to fine-tune the Loop (in-out adjust). It would be cool to be able to adjust/trim the loop with the touchstrip like Twitch or manualy adjust the in-out point holding down the corresponding button and turning the jog like the S1 or with the touchstrip.
Generally it looks a promising controller with great new features and a compact/portable size. Let's see if the price will get any better and how loud the output will be. Also the led "sticker" on jogs. Very useful for scratchers and very sexy looking to all ;)

The only big minus for for me as I look at it right now is the "cheap" effect section (but that's upgradable with VFX-1...)

Not so sure, I think they have something up their sleeves when it comes to pad-fx.
There is a dial in the corners for this > www.digitaldjtips.com

just from looking at the 380 and I could probably feel different once I have a 380 in my paws lol, but one thing I think I like better on the 300 is the scroll button. you could scroll up down lef tright, there was a button for crates, and files, I need to see what going on with the 380 in that regard, I'm sure once I get the 380 I will have gotten use to the way songs and crates & files sections are scrolled and toggled

Looks pretty much like the browsing system on the Denon HC1000S to me?
Best serato browsing system by far IMO. Will know when we try :D

At least this video shows the matte/non-relective black metal control surface better than anything else I've seen so far for the 380. Much more professional than that horrific, glossy, glaring, fingerprint magnet, el cheapo plastic crap other controllers unfortunately use (eg: VCI-300, Kontrol S4/S2. Kudos Vestax!

More porn (Better HD video)

Watchwww.youtube.com

www.digitaldjtips.com

Anyone happen to know if the 380's platters can skip through track ON BEAT like the NS6 can?

Also, where are the beatgrid controls? (set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)

lets see what pioneer will offer because there ddj s1 had very nice functions but i didn't like the feel of the jog wheels and the knobs I sold it knowing something was coming to work with sp6 player for itch 2.1 seamlessly . love the route itch is going

i have my eyes locked on digital dj tips.com every2 days to see if any new itch controllers was released its like the endgadget for dj's

i honestly don't think pioneer is coming up with anything new anytime soon for itch

pioneer always did milk the consumer for at least 4-5yrs before they drop something to replace aging equipment

I'm hoping for a pioneer controller with the layout like the dJM T1 and some nice jogs from pioneer similar to the cdj 900-2000 imwilling to pay $2500 for that

Yes there IS a beat skip feature. Just like Pio. Shift + Jog. Grid controls probably via mouse only as it seems...

I was referring to the lack of channel selector and the 2nd parameter is the same dial as for effect select? Not handy... Otherwise ,sure they added much more stuff to the pads ,including effects...
SO.. The VFX-1 is always your best friend...
xD

Fresh from Musikmesse - djworx.com

And some hi res pics: www.flickr.com

Nice work Gizmo!
Would be even nicer if you had lightbox style popups of the highres images,
directly on your new & fancy web site :D

Yes it would. On the upgrade list.

:D

The new 61 and 62 mixers also don't say Scratch Live on them - just Serato. Looks like unified branding but that's probably just marketing... although I would love for Itch and SSL to merge, I don't see it happening.

does it still have the sensitivity on the rear and the platter torque on the sides?

it's in the front left corner, zoom in on the pic, i think the plater is still on the side

www.vestax.com

Actually, the platter torque is now in the center of the platters. Zoom in and look closely at this hi-rez pic: www.digitaldjtips.com

^^^ Torque was wrong word since there's no motor. Should have said resistance.

Just saw that. Nyce. My gripe with the old method was that there wasn't a visual indicator of how tight or loose you had it set to. Also when taking it in/out of a bag it always had a tendency to move.

This new design fixes both of those issues.

I'm on my way to pre order!!!! Dammit!! "Sexual Chocolate, Sexual Chocolate"
This has become a must have for me. I really hope there are some decent sofware upgrades otw... Bridge for Itch primarily. This is like an Akai mpc mixed w/a vci 300... If Itch offered sequencing or let you use it as a Vst???? FLAWLESS....

More like a vci fused with a twitch controller...

had a look at it yesterday. Looks great. wasn't able to touch it. But Looks really great!

That's what's up! I can't wait to get mine... I wish they would give an actual release date.

We all are getting excited about the the release date.

I know this question is a bit premature but..

Does anyone think for the sampler/slicer to work I'll need to Beatgrid my tracks?

Yes

Ah bugger!

Thanks, you've just saved me £700

lol.. beatgridding takes 2 secs... You are not warping in live!!!

If you are just firing unsynced samples, then you don't need any beatgrid.

Is it me... or is the Master Tempo missing? looking at the photos on www.flickr.com that ScratchWorxx posted, I don't see it....

It's called "KEY LOCK" - shift+RANGE ;)

Since I still don't see any beatgrid controls (eg: set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off), I certainly hope that is still yet to be explained. That would royally suck having to perform those tasks on the computer and not form the controller.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Beatgrid this, then tell me how it took you only 2 seconds :P

I play a lot of old skool funk which isn't always easy. Also as strange as it sound I like to tweak the jog wheels as I feel more involved in the mix.

West end Dj store in the UK is now quoting a price of £599 for this not to bad really would have loved to have seen it at £499 to be honest or £549

Like all itch stuff it will go down in few months time. But still not bad price really. Think i will be getting this for defo.

Fixed ;)

Does anyone know if there is a case (soft or hard) made for it and is available at release date as well?

I just hope the platter design is different all around. My first one had platter issues, I sent it in, got another that was totally DOA, then finally got them to send me a MK2. This one had been working fine since I got it, now the left platter is sometimes unresponsive or doesn't pick up unless you push down way too hard. :( I should also mention that I have maybe used it 5 times in the year that I've had it - and it's been safe in my room all of the rest of the time. Way too few hours on it for this to be happening again.

Yes, I know there are home-fix solutions for this, but I'm not about to buy a 380 if it's gonna have the same issues.

it's the same size as the vci 300mk2 no?

It's bigger. It looks the same in pics, but it's actually taller, wider, and deeper.

It's a little bit smaller than the VCI-400

If you are correct that just may fit in a Xone:DX slider flight case :?:

www.vestax.com
Size: 427(W)x304(D)x60(H)mm (knobs included)
Weight:3.5kg

Nah, its still bigger:

VCI-380: Size: 427(W) x 304(D) x60 (H)mm (knobs included
Xone:DX; Size: 401.32(W)x 325.12(D) X 50.8 (H)

I did a quick conversion on DX - so please check my math - actual dimmension in inches:
15.8"(W) x 2.0"(H) x 12.8"(D) (add 1.5 inches to depth for the rear plugs and knobs on the front, so closer to 14.3")

Can anyone tell me if the effects on this unit are post fader (like pioneer mixers) or pre fader? I'm used to use the echo a lot and do some fills witch they can't be done with pre faders.

there are no effects built into the unit. the effect controls you see are to control what's available in itch. itch effects are post fader.

I was meaning those effects... Anyway that's what I wanted to hear :) I tried Serato Intro for my VCI-400 and the effects there are pre fader?

I'm sure Decksaver will make one.

I believe they will too.

On the Vestax VCI-380, how do you Loop In, Loop Out, Loop On/Off, Reloop, Next/Previous Loop?

I will sale my VCI-400SE, NS6, Kontrol S4 if you can control the loops. At least activate On/Off a previous saved loop.

The 2 x 8 banks of FSR trigger pads on the VCI-380 are jam packed with creative Performance Modes such as the Slicer, Roll, Sampler, Loop, Hot Cue and Pad FX. With the given features you can trigger cue points, samples, loops, slice up beats, and shoot off Pad FX together.

What do you mean? Saved loops can be activated with the NS6, surely.

Look at the picture. I realize you can trigger instant loops and rolls, but how do you turn a loop On/Off? How do you go to the next loop? How do you do a manual Loop In/Out?

By the way, how is prodjforums.com doing? I haven't been there in a while.


They can on the NS6. I will sale the NS6 if the VCI-380 offers this.

I would imagine in that particular performance mode that pads would change for certain parts to corresponde to those actions - afterall, there are 8 of them. The parameter knobs could also act as next/previuos/skip. Shift should also come into play for some features as well as the back/forward buttons in the middle.

This is an assumption but a logical one to me ;-)

www.prodjforums.com is doing good - thanks for asking!

You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH

nobody knows the answer to how....... its not out yet.

Don't assume too much ;)

Would be a shame if they don't include something to control that. It's not like Scratch Live where you can scroll through the saved loops with the mouse (unless I'm missing something here).

isn't there a loop mode... I'm assuming 8 pads so that four in/out controls for loops

i think it safe to say that the loops will be there with some way to use them from the vci380 serato are not that crazy there be an arising from all sides dj frenzy million dj march.

I'm not talking about Auto Loops I'm talking about saved loops. Do a lot of funk/hip-hop mashups and I need to be able to turn the loops on and off during the breaks and whatnot.

what I'm guessing is (see the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the pads) 5 saved cue/'loop in' spots and another pad to trigger the loop out on or off

yeah that could be

Message me if you would like to sell your VCI 300 :)

U can pick up mk2 all day long used. To bad they still want $450 used when new only $500.

Seriously the xlr out alone is worth the wait. I thoroughly love my Vci, but audio out was way low with out signal boost.

Will patiently wait for this one .. Even then I will wait for the reviews, and hands on approach to how to plays

+1

The green numbers are for SP6 triggers...but as you mean I hope it will possible to handle saved loops by clicking on SHIFT+AUTO LOOP to enter LOOP mode (saved loops) then clicking pad number to trigger the according saved loop number

...Or double clik on LOOP LOOP like for Novation Twich...

It would be cool though ,to have pads 5 & 6 for manual loop in & out. Manual looping is very handy (without the use of the keyboard)...

i believe for some the lack of manual looping would be a deal breaker myself included :( , i love that the ns6 has them both (auto/manual looping) leaving the user to decide witch one to use .

+1

If I was Vestax, this is how I would do it.

Shift + Auto Loop would go into Manual Loop Mode. I would prefer a Double Push on Auto Loop to go into manual mode with the pads changing a different color for feedback. If you look closely, you can see the 7 pad has PREV (in green) and the 8 pad has NEXT. Is this for the 4 banks in SAMPLER like SSL? www.digitaldjtips.com

___SAMPLER_______________MANUAL_____________
|__HOT CUE__| |__SLICER_| |_AUTO LOOP_| |__ROLL___|
.______________________________________________.
(_________________PARAMETER___________________)

|__LOOP IN__| |_LOOP OUT_| |__RELOOP__| |__SELECT__|

|__ON/OFF__| |_AUTO LOOP_| |___1/2 X___| |____2 X____|

Like the NS6, SELECT will select the next LOOP. While looping, pushing LOOP OUT would allow you to adjust the LOOPS OUT POINT with the PARAMETER. SHIFT + PAD 1 would play the first loop and turn it ON. SHIFT + PAD 2 would play the second loop and turn it ON etc.

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can someone translate? lol

Now if they could somehow marry this to my NS7 with Motorized Platters -- Heaven.

my french isn't the best but from what i understand there is nothing you don't know from other reviews , i believe that the people who do this hands on reviews are prohibited to do a review wich would put the controler in a bad light, they only mention the good side of the story and say nothing about the bad side , like for example the booth, mic gain , . . . . beeing on the back side of the machine ,the manual loop option?? and so on. I have not seen one reviewer noticing this :((

It's because nobody outside of Vestax has even seen it running yet. That guy and DJWorx have only got a 'hands-on' with a unit which isn't connected.

I would imagine that's because with 2.2 and SV coming out in recent weeks, Serato didn't have a version of Itch built for it by Musikmesse.

I ment in general also like an example when Ean Golden made the hands on review of the vci400 didn't mention anything about the mic gains being on the back of the unit , just saying it's al about selling the unit and highlighting the good and saying nothing about the bad

If that's the case that's not a Review.

actually i have seen ean golden point out flaws on other controllers... i think it has more to do with what the reviewer uses. if he doesn't use the mic he may never see why it being on the back or front matters

Still a conflict of interest when a retailer test their own products IMO.

GIVE THIS MAN A BEER! +1000000000

Nothing else needs to be said... All that Serato needs to do is right here in this post...

GIVE THIS MAN A BEER! +1000000000

Nothing else needs to be said... All that Serato needs to do is right here in this post...

I just put my NS6 on Craigslist and am going to use my VCI-300 until The 380 comes out. NS6 has been really glitchy and not nearly as stable as the Vestax for me. Even though the 380 is a 2-channel unit, I can still run my turntables into it, which is all I wanted with the NS6 anyway.

Question: Does anyone know where to find some good replacement fader knobs for the VCI-300? I think the grey plastic ones on the VCI-300 and the VCI-380 make the unit look cheap.

Has anyone heard anything other than "Spring 2012" for release date? Are there any stores taking pre-orders? I can't friggin' wait!

Try going to Djtechtools they are selling knobs for controllers at that site.

According to Vestax France, the units are coming in May! Some pre released packages have aldready been sent, there is also a video in youtube about that ;)

Watchwww.youtube.com

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Holy shhhhh... Now I have to buy one!

at 2min:40secs is he says about it working with scratch live and near the start with a few other software so with this vci-380 the bridge will work or???

He means you can use it as an analogue mixer and then plug in whatever DVS you'd like to it.

Vinyl control in ITCH would be great as an option on this unit. Plug into decks where available, but use platters when on mobile gigs.

But don't get your hopes up... ever.

on the second video he says sample decks? is there something we dont know yet? i think its was just a sp6 from scratch live not a sample deck like traktor

It's just words. He says sample deck doesn't mean he means sample decks.
I think he meant the SP6.

The sp6 is a sample deck 6 of them with 4 banks what you on about???

You know what... The more I read about the 380 the more I get excited! Finally a controller to rule them all! I just wish it was bus powered. Anyway.. Features aside, I think serato&partners are starting to milk the cows a little too much! How long before they release the bridge or a controller that works with serato video? The bottom line that, like somebody said before, we will always have to buy a new controller in order to use new features. Sad but true:-(

C'mon serato! Bring midi to itch!

I dont mind the power via AC adapter, just coming from the mindset of having to plug in two turntables and a mixer now so one power plug is better than three

Is it just me or the Traktor S4 now looks like a dusty old boot from 1978?

Watchwww.youtube.com

love the scumbag steve hat haha

wish they used interesting music in any of these videos tbh

It is just you because it looked like that before ;)

Watchwww.youtube.com

june 20th release according to one of the biggest gear sites in europe

7/5/12 according to Musicstore ;)

why the hell they keep pushing the release date.

prehaps it's buggy ?? or the software isn't ready ? or . . . ? or . . . ?

hopefully agiprodj is right, showing shipping may 15th

I just talked with the owners of my local DJ store (in Northern California) and they said that although the VCI-380 will be released in mid-late May, we won't actually be able to buy them in stores in the US until late September. Apparently the release date is for Europe, not the States.

Can anyone confirm if this is true?

same as VCI-400...

From Vestax France:

Watchwww.youtube.com

www.thomann.de

thats where i got the release date from im guessing as soon as they arrive they can sell them

i hope it is sooner as i want to dump the decks and jump on the controllerist movement

your gonna be a happy man when you make the change what you gonna use pc or mac?

i see already mac cool

I already have a buyer for my VCI-300 I told my friend to wait until I get a replacement now he has to wait too......lol

There's no Loop IN/OUT (manual loop) as of now, the VCI-380 only triggers AUTO LOOP in lengths of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. In addition, you can save 8 auto loops in one track, which work as loop on/off. -Vestax

2nd

3rd

Realy ? why ? it is kind of dum i play allot of old school and serato itch gets the wrong bpm after scaning , alsoo the beadgrid is never corect so i use mostly the manual loop function on my ns6 , i was tempted to purchase the vci 380 but this is just frustratingly dum on vestax/serato part you espect that the user who payed 800euro for a 2ch midi controler to use his/her keyboart for manual looping ???

I can see how that might be frustrating, but if you take the time to correct the beatgrids manually it pays off not only for autolooping, but also for beat linked effects. I think it's worth doing.

im mac my friend i love my ttm 57 and my 1210's but its time to reduce the load and have a all in one that i can throw in a back pack and just do my thing

got mine ordered from www.lookat.com. Bought monday, should be there by friday according to Fedex. Shipped from Spain to France.
i didn't heard of Lookat before but checked customer feedback. there were positive.
One more thing : Lokkat got it at cheapest europe price...

i already know i will miss the manual loop with the great ability to pre-trigger the loop... Anyway, the needle LED is such a great thing, i may forget manual loops fast (hope so !)

do you have a link to the product page on lookat.com, i cant find it

uk.lookat.com

seems that it's now out of stock !
i may had one of the first available.
Sorry for the bad news.

If that turns up any time before anyone else's I will eat my shoes.

Bet they charged your card already too.

i hope to get genuine vci-380 and no fake stuff :-)
answer on friday

charged and shipped. Fedex confirmed.

LMAO - Sounds like a YouTube clip ;-)

will send picts or vids as soon as possible...

This is ridiculous..

lookat head office is about 10 minutes from where im heading this weekend for a quick weekend get away in spain i will head to there office's and see if there legit

Looking into them heavily as im picking the vci up from them if this guy gets his early then i will just pray the new itch drops soon lol

they seem legit enough so far

www.ekomi.co.uk

they also have small but notible presence on facebook and twitter but only time will tell

lol......We really need a word from Vestax to get the real Story.

I'm not suggesting that company are scammers, they look legit.

But I also don't believe they have a worldwide exclusive on the 380 a month before everyone else.

Lookat shipped the vci for real. here is fedex tracking state :
"Service type INTL Economy
Weight 4.0 kg/8.8 lbs"
---
"Apr 26, 2012 2:24 AM
At local FedEx facility
PARIS FR"
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"Apr 25, 2012 5:51 PM
In transit
BARCELONA ES"

at least we can say Lookat is shipping products... i hope they won't ship me a brick or something that weight ! i guess they had very few item since it's now out of stock; maybe i got the only one. I hope not to get a pre-release or demo one.

Wait and see. Should hit my dorr by friday. i'll keep you guys posted !

Be funny if it comes and no itch software lol. Where i have mine on pre order still says june they say was ment tobe may but serato were late on the software.
Which sounds about rite lol.

Hi everyone,
The release date of the VCI-380 is around the corner, as Vestax and Serato are under beta testing Itch.
Although The VCI-380 is not released yet, our local distributors are now shipped with units, in order to make the global release to happen everywhere on the same date.

It seems that one of our distributors crossed the line and shipped to that store. From our sources only one single unit was shipped to a end user, with which I already contacted personnaly (hi Nicobox!).
We are now managing to stop this unfortunate situation by contacting this spanish dealer, whitch was not supposed to recieve any unit from the spannish distributor.
We are sorry for the bit of confusion it brought on the forum...
The release date for the VCI-380 and Itch is still planned by early June.

Cheers,

Phew... For a minute there I was eyeing up my sneakers trying to work out which pair would be tastiest... ;-)

I was waiting for this response....lmao, but a good sport about it....

if the controllers are ready why dont you just ship them out and let us decided what we do with them i wouldnt mind seeing if the controller works elsewhere before itch comes out anyway i will use itch but its always nice to have options

That would be crazy.

Not everyone reads this forum, and so without Itch usable on the 380 a large majority of initial buyers would have a terrible 'out-of-the-box' experience. Not exactly the kind of buzz you would want around your flagship new product.

every product i have every brought has had masses of literature saying do this and do that it would'nt be so hard to slip a piece of paper in the box saying visit serato.com to download you version of itch when available

^^ look what happened with people that purchased the vci400.

They were not very happy with intro

I'm Glad somebody From VESTAX chimed on this one......Can we get free stickers as well while we wait.

I spoke to someone at Sweetwater and they told me the VCI380 is gonna debut at$999.99(American dollars) was the retail street price and that its list $1,399.99 on the 1st week of june. oh boy I hope its cheaper and earlier. a June date gives me time to save up but I want to have this before the summer bcuz I know they will be a lot of parties. I think sweetwater is off but we'll see.

Ahem... sorta like the VCI-400... lol

I pre-ordered one at Sweetwater. I was also told early June. Man, I hope it ships a little earlier. I can't wait. I currently have a Rane MP25 mixer and a Denon DN-HC5000 as my ITCH controller. Together, they weigh around 20 pounds. To be able to replace both units with a VCI 380 (at around 8 pounds) will be wonderful for my back! I've never used a Vestax product before, but everyone seems to love the 300 and this looks to be a nice step up from that unit. I am "old school" in that I use a 19" DJ cabinet, so the optional rackmount kit was the icing on the cake in me deciding I want one of these. If anyone at Vestax reads this: Where and when can I purchase the rackmount kit and how much will that cost?

i'm in the same team with "mike sinclair"my back hurts from the ns6 i hope vci 380 launches like now, i have my ns6 for the private events where i need the mic inputs and the 4 chanels but i personaly can't wait for the vci380, the only problem i see is the manual loop isue

Until somebody can post some display of skills comparable to this video with a VCI-300 that's where I'm staying put... All the stupid 380 videos with brainless beats I've seen so far don't impress. Somebody touch the jogwheel. Just sayin.

Watchwww.youtube.com

I've heard that the VCI 300 has Mic issues. Do you guys think the 380 mic inputs will be better since it's a standalone mixer too? I need my Mics to sound good.

djworx.com

Sincerely i believe that the Mic's on the vci380 will sound good or bad depending on the microphone youre using. You don't have any eq's on the mic channels only the trim's so it's up to the mic's and the tone of your voice .

^ it's a latency delay problem on the 300

a workaround for those interested is to go in the THRU RCA on the back with a mic and a 1/4" or XLR to RCA adaptor

That problem was fixed with the mkii model

ive been a vestax user for years...and now that I live in Japan I usually get to see new gear from vestax and pioneer and the reps are usually cool...

I just sold my vci 300 which was very very good to me...and I just put in my order for the vci 380..glad I held off from the vci 400...

interesting enough the vci 380 here in japan is 69800 yen which is equivalent to about 850 Canadian dollars...

when the vci 300 got released I ordered the custom white which was about the same 70000 yen..

once I get the unit Ill post pics!!!hope an innofader fits..
I installed one in my vci 300 and the cutting was extremely sharp...

I wonder how the CFX feel? anyone had the pleasure to try a CFX and innofader on the vci 300..which is better?

I have the MKII and about an 30 mins to an hour into your set your mic starts building latency... Luckily I've only needed my mic for one gig for a friends wedding, but it was very difficult to use.

One hopeful thing I hope Vestax does is put a little touch on the power adapter. Make it plug in real nice, not sloppy like most of the "L" shaped plugs. Those move around and fuck with shit more IMO. If it plug was straight and had protection around it, this would add a nice touch, and a profesional polish.

alsoo the usb plug to be one of good quality not wabbly like on the ns6

Sooo...NicoboxFR.... did you get your VCI???? :)

It's too bad the 380 doesn't provide EQ for the Mic inputs. Is there a little microphone equalizer I could buy? I can't do a 19" as my cabinet is full... I would need a small box style unit that I could just throw in the bottom of my cabinet.

im sure ther

something like this?
www.audubonstrings.com
Kinda pricey but im sure there are other compatible ones.

my buddy uses something simliar to this

www.zzounds.com

Is it just me, or does it look like the VCI-380 is incapable of adding multiple effects to one channel? It seems you only have one effect scroller per channel and no way to combine them.

I'd be bummed if this is true. The VFX-1, DD-S1, NS6 all allow you this level of channel control with your effects, I can't see why the VCI-180 wouldn't. The Novation Twitch even allows you to combine 3 layers of effects on one channel.

Am I missing something?

more vids

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Is this what you are looking for? seems like you can layer 2 effects at one time? Watch around 47 sec
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more vids

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Does anyone happen to know if stored loops can be engaged on the VCI-380 WITHOUT automatically jumping to them like a stored cue point? For some bizarre reason the Twitch controller behaved this way and there was no way around it (other than getting rid of Twitch of course which is what we did).

AFAIK that's currently the behaviour across the whole range of Itch controllers.

I don't honestly recall anyone on the forum ever saying they like that behaviour. It's a pain in the ass, and another of those little annoying differences to Scratch Live.

Hope they change it sometime.

I will not buy the VCI-380 if you cannot activate a previous saved loop. How silly can Vestax and Serato really be. I know they are trying to simplify things but WOW. Do manufactures think we don't need this? Do they think that all DJ's will do is activate a Loop on the fly. If that's the case, then why offer stored Cue points if all we'll do is create them on the fly. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

It's not across the whole range of Itch controllers.

On the NS6, you can of course engage a cue with a loop tied to it. However, you can also scroll through and active each of the 9 loops that scratch live provides. It also provides a jump to loop button to instantly start playing from the beginning.

numarkns6.com

1/2-----2X-----On/Off-----<Loop Shift----->Loop Shift

Manual Loop
Mode-----In-----Out-----Select-----Reloop

Auto Loop
Mode-----1-----2-----4-----8

Shift + any of the 4 Autoloops = Loop Roll


Select = Next Loop
Reloop = Jump to start of Current Loop
On/Off = Turns active Loop On/Off

Check out this article: djworx.com

More stuff from DjWorx

Just ordered mine from MusicStore !!! :)

alright guys..I thought the vci 380 would be coming out this week because The place I pre-ordered mine said it should be coming right after golden week(japanese holiday week)

I live in osaka and I ordered but got an email just now

*お世話になっております。

当店にてご注文いただいておりましたVestax VCI-380ですが
本日メーカーよりVestax VCI-380に対応するserato ITCHの
バージョンアップが遅れており、発売日を延期する旨の連絡がございました。

現在のところVestax VCI-380対応のserato ITCHのバージョンアップは
5月末～6月上旬となっておりますが、恐れ入りますが確定した情報では
なく上記予定よりもやや遅れる可能性がございます。

ご迷惑をおかけ致しまして誠に申し訳ございませんが
入荷次第早急に発送させていただきますので、発売まで今しばらくお待ちいただきます様
お願い申し上げます。

なお今回の発売延期に伴いまして、ご注文のキャンセルをご希望の場合は
キャンセルを承りますので、お手数をおかけ致しますが
ご返信いただきます様宜しくお願い致します。"


basically it just states that they are sorry that the release date for the product will be delayed because the product cannot be released without the new update from ITCH. so basically once the new Itch update comes out, the vci-380 will be released.
And in the email it said it may be towards the end of May or early June.

Sucks because I sold my vci 300 in anticipation of the 380...Guess I gotta be patient

Jerome from Vestax said worldwearly June above.

Jerome from Vestax said worldwide release in early June above.

Okay. I think I just found another major shortfall of the VCI-380. Has anyone else noticed that it no longer has the "Pitch Shift" buttons that the VCI-300 has? Personally I loved that feature and had many mixes end with the previous track slowing down int tempo while keeping the pitched locked.

For example, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to do these tricks anymore with the 380:

Watchwww.youtube.com

What do you guys think? Am I missing some hidden feature?

^^^ Yeah, I noticed that too. Based on studying high-resolution images of the VCI-380's control surface, I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling that Vestax has missed a few key thing such as this (no pitch shift +/- buttons) as well as no clear way to...

• assign effects to master
• engage stored loops without auto jumping to them
• access beatgrid controls (set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)

I realize this concern is premature since I obviously haven't used one yet, but like I said, visually it's not looking good. Sure hope I'm wrong.

I'm feeling the same uneasiness as you. It seems that some of the great new features weren't without some serious sacrifices. Lame!

...or manual in/out loop... doesn't seem to bee there either....

I have no idea what Vestax is smoking. This is what they need to do: (I posted this earlier)

Shift + Auto Loop would go into Manual Loop Mode. I would prefer a Double Push on Auto Loop to go into manual mode with the pads changing a different color for feedback. If you look closely, you can see the 7 pad has PREV (in green) and the 8 pad has NEXT. Is this for the 4 banks in SAMPLER like SSL? www.digitaldjtips.com

___SAMPLER_______________MANUAL_____________
|__HOT CUE__| |__SLICER_| |_AUTO LOOP_| |__ROLL___|
.______________________________________________.
(_________________PARAMETER___________________)

|__LOOP IN__| |_LOOP OUT_| |__RELOOP__| |__SELECT__|

|__ON/OFF__| |_AUTO LOOP_| |___1/2 X___| |____2 X____|

Like the NS6, SELECT will select the next LOOP. While looping, pushing LOOP OUT would allow you to adjust the LOOPS OUT POINT with the PARAMETER. SHIFT + PAD 1 would play the first loop and turn it ON. SHIFT + PAD 2 would play the second loop and turn it ON etc.

i have had about enough of waiting the whole software taken ages is really getting on my last nerve they should have featured this as long ago as they did they should have just done a press release when it was ready to ship

+1million

It is pretty stupid but smart at the same time...Coz of the hype they are building....lol

There's hype and then there's stupidity I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a sore back if this controller ain't out in the next 2 weeks I might have to look elsewhere if you know what I mean

theres a range button by each jogwheel, is that what you mean?

For anyone diving right in for the first batch hardware with new software to boot, have a backup plan if you need to gig in the near future. Expect some ironing out, that's all I'm saying.

^^ amen

+1

i gig 3 times a week in the same venue my ttm57sl will be there ready to go any any time

i just wanna spend some money i hate having money laying around waiting to purchase shit

i2.kym-cdn.com

:p

www.quickmeme.com

funny stuff lol

Acknowledging your frustration, I would still try to be patient. Nothing is worse than a bricked piece of hardware due to insufficient testing. A lot of 300mkI users went through that.

At least there are corporate obligations to have 2.3 ready ASAP. It's more comforting than if it was just customer pressure IMO.

i have picked up a new toy till the vci 380 is out and stable went over to the dark side lol

well dark side, what did you buy?! ;)

Got a s4 for a stupidly good price will use that for a few months till the vci comes out then sell it and buy a vci 380

Hey, at least you got some good effects :)

you might get frustrated putting everything into the traktor library and analyzing like i did! couldnt figure out how to get it to analyze more than 1 track at a time..no multi core support i guess??

itch interface makes me happy. maybe i'll just route it through traktor for the chained filter/delay/reverb effect... oy vey

only got it to bridge the gap and got it for an amazing price also got a udg trolly bag thrown in with it once the vci is out i will sell the s4 for £450 - £500 which i have already been offered for it and keep the trolley bag for the vci :-) its a win win

yeah. im just kind of wishing i had saved my $400 for the s2 towards the new pio effects unit...or my upcoming vegas trip! mine might go on sale pretty soon

Hmm, there is nothing wrong with having a competitors equipment - it keeps you ready for anything the game throws at you - at least that's my philosphy. I run SSL, ITCH, and TP2 and use them according to my needs.

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380 when it hits - Yuh!

LOL MDX. You remind me of myself.

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380 if it offers Loop Controls (Next Loop, Loop On/Off, Exit Loop, Loop In/Out)

Hi guys,
We recieved a lot of requests through various channels regarding the manual loop function.
The VCI-380 has only Auto Loop although you can store and play 8 different loops in the Memory Loop mode.

We understand that manual loop is sometimes needed for seamless matching, espacially when the groove (or mood) has a strong swing!
We take your requests very seriously and we will study the design of the manual loop mode, for future Itch update.

Thank you for all your constructive comments on the VCI-380.

thanks jerome for chiming in...I really just want to get my hands on the unit already..
I`ve had to go back to using cdjs for my gigs the past few times since I`ve sold the 300..can`t wait..

When is this thing going to drop any official word?

Thank you for the info, BUT will the VCI-380 automatically JUMP to stored loops when engaging them (like Twitch unfortunately does) so they behave like a hot cue OR will the stored loops simply turn on so loops begins when the playhead reaches them? This information is VITAL for many users and potentially a deal-breaker if stored loops behave like hot cues.

+ 1000000 for manual loop mode.
But I also like the idea of "hot loop". it's more creatively than just turning the preset loop on...

This is a deal-breaker for me! Can you turn On/Off a stored loop? I don't need it to start playing a loop like a hot cue.

One other thing I would like to see is an optional +/- 4% pitch range. It would be more accurate with this size pitch fader. I don't mix songs beyond that pitch range difference anyway...

+1

Hi J.J

i think you are, on any hardware always able to use

O P [ for deck one LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF
and
L ; ' for deck two LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF

both in ITCH and SCRATCH LIVE

Yup I believe you can do that on the keyboard strokes...I know Ive used it countless times when I gig in scratch live...

Sure you can ,but wouldn't be great if you could do that from your controller without having to search in the dark for those keys/?? I mean ,this is a VERY POWERFUL controller that lacks a VERY BASIC function (manual loop in/out).

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Is it released????

wow..getting excited by each day...

not too sure if its released. No word here in Japan yet. I`ve pre-ordered mine and still no word.

French release date = May 29th !!!

www.nuloop.com

software, i'm sure that all there waiting on

i was just thinking same.. but with the time so short do you think a beta will drop or a final release?

good question, not to answer a ? with a ?.....but was there a beta of 2.4.0 before the 61 & 62 hit the market? i don't think there was, could be the same with the new itch for vci 380

There might be or there has to be if they waited this long for it to be released.

Usually Serato drops a fully functional release of ITCH for new products (if its just to enable support for a new controller). If its a new package with new features etc they release it as beta for testing.

Yeah.
Current ITCH version is 2.2.0 so we might expect a 2.2.1 VCI-380-only release.
With the Novation TWITCH the new ITCH version came with the controller before it was available for download on the Serato website.

But "Joee" is right regarding the Sixty-One/Two and Scratch Live.
There at least is a possibility that we see the new VCI hit the market before we see a new version of ITCH.

But hey, it's all nothing but speculation. The VCI-380 isn't not released yet nor is a new version of ITCH. And since we can't even guess what will happen we just need to have some patience... in the meanwhile I'll get some popcorn :)

Should've been...
"The VCI-380 isn't released yet"
...of course :)

VCI-380 will release with Itch 2.4...

Source?

New vid

Vestax VCi380 DJ Midi Controller with Serato Itch Software @ djkit.tv
youtu.be

i like the look of the vci 380 but now i love it the pad ft are so cool and midi mapping for the pads lol niceeeeeeeee

Westenddj in the uk has got on there facebook the vci-380 will be dispatched tomorrow for wed release.

Not sure if you guys noticed, but in the promo video, the pads appear to be RGB (colored), but in the other shots, it's disappeared...

djworx.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

strange....

www.digitaldjtips.com

That were promotional graphics to show the possible colours.
It's like McDonald's. The pictures are supposed to show the ingredients but not how the burger will look like :)

new vid
Watchwww.youtube.com

Looking forward to upgrading to this mos def.

serato.com

so it finally here but ITCH 2.2.1 nice to know for everyone who was waiting on 2.3 can now know serato never gave a sh1t about you only on getting the 380 out, i bet all the bugs found in 2.2 are fixed in 2.2.1 but if you dont have a 380 you can use 2.2.1 lol

Wow dj lashes that's pretty harsh don't you think ? ...

Check out this new vid from Vestax. This video explains how to activate the saved loop function which has been a hot topic on here.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks, but this video still doesn't answer the burning question of "does the VCI-380 automatically JUMP to stored loops when engaging them (like Twitch unfortunately does) so they behave like a hot cue OR will the stored loops simply turn on so loops begins when the playhead reaches them? This information is VITAL for many users and potentially a deal-breaker if stored loops behave like hot cues."

This video appears to show stored loops behaving like hot cues :-(

It is obviously "hot looping".... The thing is how you exit loop the stored loop? I would be better pressing SHIFT+Stored loop rather than just pressing once ore the stored loop pad. Like this you could stutter the saved loops... Cool effect....

If it's "hot looping" only, I'm afraid it's deal breaker :-(

I think if we create a new request on saved loop activation (SHIFT+Stored loop) it will be implemented because it's not really a big deal to do that.
This is how I imagine this feature:
- stored loop mode by double click on loop mode
- all stored loops button are "low lighted"
- SHIFT + stored loop -> "full blinking lighted" button until the play reaches the stored loop, then "full lighted"
- SHIFT + same stored loop -> "low lighted" button

By the way, as most of users use stored loops in SSL mode (loop activation) I would even recommend that stored loop mode acts by default as I just described without SHIFT button (SHIFT button should be hot looping.)

ITCH 2.3 is not done yet so if many people complains about that I think Serato will listen to us and that will be a sale booster for VCI 380.

^^ if history is any indicator they will put that on the MKII

I'm just stoked you can use it with ScratchLive's infinitely superior effects

no i dont look on it like this yeah that great vci380 am even about to order one but what about the dj who are ripping there hair out to get past 1 night with out drop outs, restarts, freezin, missing crates/songs, bad sound, head phones cutting out, really be real its about time serato stop of a min and pull them self together, I check on here every day to see whats new and if i can help anyone in the forum and most of the time people seem to post about things which have been dragging on for months sometime years, so tell me is the vci380 gonna help dj Joe blogs from itch crashing with he ns6 hell no.. sorry to anyone who thinks am being harsh i 100% do not want any to think am evil or bad minded but that is just how i feel.
I can use my itch and vci or ns6 ok but still always some back door deal to keep itch in check, it was the same when video came out great for some but not for the people cant even run itch without video and they still never got there problems fix anyway it is what it is....

I throw in the discusion a random thought :) , if they would do a mapping for the platers too and we would be able to control scratch live without the timecode (like a hid controler)i would definetly buy this unit to use with my sl4 just like midi controler for SSL :))) What do you guys think ???

It's crazy how close they get to letting you control SL with it, all the way down to including pad fx mappings for SL.

They can see how it makes sense to just go ahead & do it, but they still won't.

It's so frustrating and sad to see that many people, including myself, were looking forward to an actual change in itch when this 380 dropped, but now we are only finding out that the next release will only be an itch version to make the 380 compatible. I just wish Serato would have been at least some what responsible enough to chime in on all these threads that were talking about an itch 2.3 release, and let their consumers/customers know that when the 380 drops, the itch that will be released would be a 2.2.x that makes the 380 and itch compatible.or they could've made it a sticky post in the itch discussion..i, like dj lashes, come onto the forums daily to see if any major announcements have been made, but nope none.I was forward to 2.3 drop in June mainly for effects and the possibility of 2 deck view for 4 channel controllers.oh and I can't forget to add, MIDI capability for that sp6 player.I don't have a mac nor will I ever so I'm not able to use Mitch.so exactly how long will we have to wait for a change to come?november?that's ridiculous!if ns6's platters were a little better with traktor, I'd probably make that transition.I hate that GUI but atleast there, I could hide 2 decks, full control of MIDI and and have better effects.I should just buy a traktor box and a turntable, connect to my ns6 and use it with traktor! That way I could scratch!

That would be pretty nice. I would trade all the Syncing and Slicer stuff for decent DJ effects.

I don't think it's the first time Serato drop a specific version of Itch for a specific controller. Look at the NS7, DX, VCI-300, and NS6 - each has its own version of Itch. And just like every controller released with a specific version of Itch, a general "updated" version follows suite. I just think you folks are being impatient.

Dude. The anticipation is killing me!!!

Agreed. Consistency in workflow/behavior is crucial for us users who are both SSL AND ITCH. Several of us SSL users who were hot on Twitch for ITCH ditched Twitch when we discovered that activating stored loops automatically jumped the playhead to them like a hot cue. NOT what we were expecting at all and just created problems. Oh, and the crappy output level of course.

Will someone from Serato and/or Vestax PLEASE provide a definitive answer here? Pretty please. Sugar on top.

I know Serato has it's own priorities but getting the VCI380 up in running is the main one right now...Once this thing get settled They might be adding features that we are asking for.

We really can't get what we want right away but always remember this It was once said by a Serato God "All in Due Time"

+1

SHIFT + stored loop deletes a stored loop

the way to turn a loop on without jumping there is by using the keyboard shortcut.

Hey guys, currently turning on a saved loop in 'Saved Loops' mode will jump to the start of the loop, much the same as is does with Twitch and some of our other ITCH controllers. Pressing the loop slot button again simply turns the loop off. Pressing Shift + Loop slot deletes a saved loop from the loop slot. That's how it works on the VCI-380. We understand some people prefer the loops to simply turn on and off andso we'll take that feedback on board.

Cheers :)

Thanks for listening our concerns...hope will be a way to use store loops like in SSL...(maybe with just a switch setting in setup pane or something like dat)...

Anyway, good job serato guys, I know you take care of users feedbacks !

how about a 6th performance mode aka SHIFT + Loop (mode button)

Well i just got mine, using on the PC at the mo, DJ-FX do not work looks like there is none must be something in the instulation thats messed up.

But the pad buttons are SHIT there not really a button just abit of rubber that you have to squish to make work very hard to fire cues on time and to fire them in beat its VERY hit and miss as you can not feel the button, Very hard to explain but so far HATE the pad buttons.

Apart from that so far looking good. (This is my first itch controller)

Have to have a read up on sync becasue in smartsync mode it did not stay in sync was a train wreck lol sure it's something i am doing wrong. But so far i dont see what the fuss is about sync seems easier to beatmatch lol

You made the stored loop to act like hot cue... At least let it be like that all the way :
Pressing the corresponding pad jumps-activates the saved loop. Press again re-triggers the loop. To exit press the loop out on keyboard... I'd prefer that cause you could stutter the loop ;)

Hey Woolsey, if you can't see any effects start a new help thread and the guys will sort you out. I believe the issue is related to the fact that you also have Scratch Live installed - and should be easy to resolve.

With the pads, either there is some issue with yours not working properly or we have very different taste :P. I personally think the pads are amazing to use. But if they don't seem very responsive please let the support guys know also. Cheers!

ya already done some reports in the help area, Erm well i like to feel a click when i press a button, the pads are not really buttons just squishy rubber where you have to put presure onto it to make it work. i can live with it but at the mo hating it LOL its new iv NEVER felt a button like this in my life. All the other buttons are buttons its just the pad squishy things. If i could plug my denon hc1000s in i would just use that for CUE's. but ya i like it so far, few things in itch bit strange like you can not sort cues cron order like ssl. and it does not show in itch if key lock is on or off. also 0% Pitch is not on line with the 0& line on the 380, it's about 3mm past.

Hi Woosley,
As you mentioned, the Pads don't feature any click or travel.
This type of FSR Pads are very typical, and was never seen before on a Dj controller; it can be easy to undurstand that you feel a bit surprised by feeling those Pads.
Pads are made to be hit, with same style as sampler pads or rythm machines. This was our target when designing the VCI-380.
I agree, it's a different approach than pushing a button. This is maybe what makes the VCI-380 so special, and also having FSR Pads is the only way to enable the unique Pad FX function.

Cheers,

Ya i'm sure i will get used to it (and then prob hate normal buttons lol)

But loving it so far just what i been waiting for a compact pro controller that i can do everything with, Mixing up the videos as we speak.

just got the vci 380...will post up pics and vids soon...

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where do u guys live that your getting them.... i havent even found it online for sale

im living here in osaka japan..I know a few peeps that got it from vestax directly..I got mine from a dealer..came with a package with monitors, stand, headphones...

some others got it with the vestax usb cable and other freebies

Lucky!

here are a few quick snaps I took

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nice!!! How tight is the needle led marker? What do you feel about the new pads?

the needle led marker is pretty handy with the scratching..there is a millisecond lag with the sound and the marker LED...but not too noticeable..

The pads feel nice...Ill upload a vid soon

size wise how does it compare to the vci 300

Its pretty much the same..I sold my vci 300 so I cant compare right now..but from memory and also just by checking my DJ bag I fit the 380 inside no problem so I believe its about the same size..could be wrong

just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com

Nice vid dude. Thanks. Overall opinion??? How about the pitch fader? Is it accurate? I don't mix using sync. Is it possible to beat match ,with ease ,with this tiny pitch fader? What are the pitch ranges and what increments? Thanx again...

!@#$%^&*()__+^%$^%@^$&

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!

Damn, WHY would the powers that be decide to do such a thing? CONSISTENCY in behavior is critical for many users, ESPECIALLY those bouncing back and forth between SSSL and ITCH.

Dealbreaker >:-(

Thanks DJ freestylefrenzy for vid... Thank you for making me fein even more for this device. No device will be perfect, but this will be my perfect travel unit and dope to play with in home without heavy liftin

Well starting to get used to the pad buttons now. a few things nag me that are not same in itch as scratchlive but nothing majour.

Think i might get the 19" adaptor for it but i have yet to see anyone in uk advertise it so guess vestax do not have this ready yet, interested to see how it fits into it.

Nice Vid and thanks for sharing - I know this is just messing around but one thing for all of us DJ's to keep in mind is, please be mindful of your audience, this can get really annoying and be counterproductive to clear a dance floor in a fast minute...lol

This is no way saying what you were doing was intended to do that, so please do not take any offense to it. Just simply stating that if I was on a dance floor listening to 6 minutes of the same slice & roll.....I'd have to slice & roll you....j/k...lol

BTW, Congrats on your purchuse looks like one really nice kit!

Can anyone who's gotten their hands on this unit yet explain how beatgrid controls are achieved since it's not apparent in pictures because grid controls aren't seen? (eg: set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)

keyboard... ;)

ya you gotta use the keyboard, i have not even started with the beatgrid thing but itch does not do a good job working them out.

Geez, dealbreaker #2.

The whole point of a flippin' controller is so you don't have to touch the damn keyboard.

Why can't any of these manufacturers ever get it right and hit a homerun? They always seem to get to third base and just quit right there. :-/

cost at a guess if it had everything it would cost loads and be BIIGG so i supose they see what s most important to cost/size.

best controller on the market (got mine today)... but still prefer 2 x CDJ's, a mixer and my Denon HC1000s to the extent im sending my vci 380 back

You do no that sounds totally crazy, right ?......lol

Hey, thanks for the video! What's the name of the Lucy Pearl remix you're playing?

Thanks...overall opinion is much better than the vci 300 and vfx combo...the feel of the jog wheels and pitch faders are great. I also beatmatch by pitch fader so its much more smoother riding it. I havent really noticed if its accurate or not..I was more fiddling around with the slicer..

Im at work now but once I get home Ill get to trying and take a video of all the features and similarities and differences between the vci 300 and 380...

thanks robbie..once you get the vci unit..hopefully we can help each other with getting the most out of the unit...

I started with SSL and moved to vci 300 so basically straight mixing hip hop and RnB with a few scratches...

but I can see the vci 380 really opens up the creativity in a DJ...

Thanks MDX for understanding it was just a demo of the features...trust me my fiancee said after 2 minutes into the video "is this all it does? repeat repeat repeat?" hahaaha

for one thing I can see myself getting carried away with just button smashing and slicing because the PADS are so inviting. Others and myself gotta be careful of not overdoing it cuz I find it just kills the song...
FX, slicing and loop rolls could be deadly if used correctly..if used incorrectly it could clear the dance floor...haha

other than that really happy with my purchase and glad I passed on the vci 400

nik....the song is Big Dancing by Bounce Camp. It sampled the Lucy Pearl joint Dance tonight

Lucky Bastard.....

here is another vid with some scratching

Watchwww.youtube.com

What are the five round dots that look to be about .25" diameter and are evenly spaced out around the perimeter of each platter?

Stickers to cover the screws...?

haha yeah..they are just normal stickers to cover the screws...
I put some over my vci 300s before...

Ahhh, gotchya.




PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES! Having loops behave consistently like they do in SSL is extremely important for many users. We stored loops to simply turn on when selected. We do NOT want the playhead to automatically jump to a stored loop like a hot cue when selected. Ideally these two different behaviors would be user selectable with ITCH's preferences so we can choose how stored loops behave.

PLEASE make this possible as quickly as you can. Thanks.

Yeah... That should be selectable...
And PLEASE make the stored "hot" loop act like stutter also. Not pressing once triggers, pressing twice loop exit. It should be press once trigger , press twice retriggers... To exit press keyboard shortcut or some other combination (shift+something)...
Thanx

+1

No, no, no, no, no! Don't mix loops and hot cues! Press once, loop starts, press again to get out.

Just put a hot cue at the start of your loop...

Is there a way to censor parts of a song with this unit? W/ the s1 I could use the slip mode, Numarks have a dedicated button to sensor, Is there a solution for the 380?

+1
True, that how I do them now

Even better:
An option in the settings for all ITCH controllers:

Jump to loop when engaging auto loop? Yes/No

How about...

When you near ~30seconds to the loop, the button for the loop will change color/flash, changing it from 'jump' to 'engage' mode, everyone's happy!


(btw: I hope Serato plan to add colored hot cues to the 380, seems like a shame not to use the awesome RGB aspect of the pads...)

+100000

^ that was one of the reasons I wanted it in the first place, is there some false advertising going on?

Yeah that one multi-colored pic is totally misleading. Now that NI has it in the F1 they need to get it figured out.

Multi colour is when u turn it on lol. Cues are yellow and loops green, slice red/white. Samples green/blue/purple.

This a tool guys, not a toy ;)

I don't get that. I'm talking about improving the interface, not making the thing look pretty.

Itch is short enough on features as it is, anything they can cram into this box can only help the situation.

+1

What's the point of paying extra for RGB pads if they aren't used to full effect?
The functionality is there, seems a shame to simply let it go to waste...

hey guys heres a vid of the RGB pad fx changing colours with each function activated from SP-6 to Cue points to loop roll etc..

the video maybe blocked in some countries

Watchwww.youtube.com

is it me or the marker on the left deck going counter clockwise?
And how is the marker holding up? any drift? or is it on point with the marker in itch?

The needle point marker of the jogwheels is synchronized with Itch marker on the screen.

Hey Jerome at Vestax when can we see the VCI-380 in our local dealers?

If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Best,

Hey xtraordinaire

Sorry my bad the video is actually reversed..do don't pay attention to the orientation of the video just the pad colors and FX...my bad for everyone that got confused.

^^ All good. I thought you found an "Easter Egg" ;)

Best news I've heard today - Finally - Thanks!

Me too!

This is what I'm talking about....Finally

I wonder if there is a flight case built for the VCI-380! Here's hoping for a good one...

^ i'm looking forward to decksaver making a hard top for it because it works great on my 300, i just throw it in the laptop bag

one thing i noticed is there is no longer a censor/backwards button... guess that means using the keyboard again (which sucks!) unless there's some other way of doing that

i also hope they sorted out the volume when doing backspins as when you do this on the 300 the volume multiplies... find out next week

Capro..just to give you a heads up the vci 380 is slightly bigger than the vci 300 width wise...After upgrading I found my VCI 380 couldnt fit in my DJ bag..

also is the decksaver really worth it??especially with the knobs etc?

Im looking for a new bag im debating if I should do shoulder strap or backpack style..

What make / model of bag did you have before?

Thanks for the reply man. Yeah I measured it out and the Ortofon Digibag I have just barely fits the 300 so the 380 won't fit... Luckily when I bought that they threw in an Akai APC bag which is gonna be perfect.

I'm still gonna get a decksaver even though they are expensive. It's like having a bulletproof shield on covering your faders, knobs, and platters instead of some stiff eggshell foam I don't trust. Plus at home my cats have been known to sit on mixers in the past. Good investment IMO

+1 on getting a Decksaver, haven't regretted getting one for the S1.


I'm guessing that because the 380 is fully encased in metal, it might be better to carry it in a roller bag, so hopefully it fits in my UDG bag...

Can anyone here who's used the VCI-380 please confirm whether or not the effects can be applied to the master output, and if if the two effects controls can be combined on either deck.

Judging by pics alone it appears that the two effects controls are only one per deck without any ability to apply them to the master output or combine them on one deck.

I do not Own one as of yet. However I spoke to someone on youtube who did a review and I was told that effects cannot be applied to the Master Out! So no mic Effects, also there is no support for the VFX1 so that means there is no work around! I am excited for this Product but even the ddjs1 can apply Effects to all Channels I feel that they really DROPPED The Ball on this aspect. Hopefully some firmware will be released to solve this If not VCI 380 MKII will fix it I Guess! COME ON VESTAX!!!!!

about manual loop...

in itch 2.2 is possible to set manual loops with keyboard shortcuts shift+o for loop in and shift+p for loop out.

is possible to do this with the 380's version of itch?

someone can try this??


thanks

Geez, the more I learn about the 380 the more disappointed I get.

Lets' see...

• No engaging stored loops without playhead automatically jumping to them like a hot cue
• No beatgrid controls
• No nudge controls
• No master effects
• No combining effects
• Very short pitch controls

Several of these points feel like basic, essential features that were either missed or flat out ignored.

Had so much hope for this unit in the beginning, but now I'm :facepalm:

lol......Then Don't buy it.....Problem solved.

Yeah for real...

Why would beatgrid controls on the mixer be essential?

And are you talking about pitch nudge like you do on the platter?

Sure would love to get my hands on one, but I can wait till next year maybe two. hell I still don't feel I have mastered the 300 yet with the effects unit. Lol. Also I can't imagine me getting wasted at a gig with all those features.

Unfortunately that's what it's looking like. Like I said, I had so much hope when I first learned of the 380 and since then it seems like every week I learn something else bad about it. :-(

It's essential if you want to "control" ITCH from the "controller" and not from the computer. If this isn't important to you then it's not essential.

Kinda, yes. Having +/– pitch nudge buttons though IMO isn't required. Nice to have, but not essential.

I am still very excited about Picking it up but I do Understand where your coming from. Its as if Vestax was like Yo lets leave out some essiential key functions on purpose so that we can have some ideas to Cram into a MKII version! But im just irritated that they added Things we have never seen before but left out many things that we are used to seeing! Deeep lol.

So instead of clicking and dragging grid points you would do this somehow with the controller but still look really close to the screen for accuracy... There are units out there that do this? Would you also like to rename tracks and drop them in folders?

Also, to some of your other points, you get two FX per side so how are you not able to combine FX? You could always use the same thing on each side too.

And the pitch controls look at least as long as on the VCI-300, I've never heard anyone complain about those and they have as tight a resolution as you're gonna get.

Numark NS6

I've always found it quicker and more accurate to edit grids with the keyboard shortcuts, even on my Twitch, which has onboard gridding controls. And obviously that was the only option in Scratch Live so I've already spent a couple of years doing it that way. I don't really miss that on the 380.

The only truly 'fine' pitch controls in Itch are the rotaries found on the Twitch and the DX. But I use smart sync with Itch, I find it suits the controllerist way of working much better anyway. If your grids are good then you don't really need pitch controls at all. I played for 5 hours last night with my 380 and only touched the pitch controls a couple of times when changing genre/bpm completely and I needed to reset to 0%.

I was planning on picking one up...

but without manual loops and that whole jumping to loop thing, its not what i need i think.

If you have to stick to automatic lengths for loops, you have to rely on the accuracy of the beat grid, no? And, in my experience, the beat grid is rarely accurate throughout the song, if at all.

I was really looking toward an expanded vci-300 with balanced xlr outputs pad effects and slicer... but i wouldn't mind sticking with my vci-300 if it had balanced audio.

c'mon you guys are really nitpicking. the vci-300 and now the vci-380 are the best itch controllers in it's class. that being small, portable and with platters.

a small portable controller isn't going to be able to do everything. but what it does do it does exceptionally well.

i have sixty-two, turntables and cdj's. i'm picking up a VCI-380 for use when i'm in the hotel, at venues with minimal space and venues that don't have tables/cdj's.

Yes.




Yes. NS6, Twitch, DDJ-S1 just to name a few that are known.



No. This type of function IMO is handled during file preparation (not to mention you need a full keyboard for characters or some sort of funky scroll-to-letter and enter one at a time nonsense). It could be argued that beatgrid setting is handled during file prep too, but I find there are times that you need to beatgrid a track on the fly when it's something that is introduced to the library during a mix, new tracks just acquired before a session, etc.

At $1K street price for a 2-channel controller I think we're entitled to nitpick. We're not talking about off-the-wall features that are missing here. The inconsistent loop control behavior IMO is the biggest flub with the 380. The other flubs are lesser and can be worked around, but again, at $1K work arounds for basic functionality shouldn't be part of the discussion. This reminds me of other manufacturers forgetting/choosing to not include separate booth outputs on "all-in-one" controllers. At least the 380 got that right. Oh, and the XLRs are proper too, as is the metal control surface.

I don't know, I'd rather have beatjump feature and an uncluttered interface than beatgrid controls.

I suppose it depends on whether you rely heavily on sync or not, because otherwise it's just a guide...

An uncluttered control surface is important to me too, but in reality we're talking about a couple of .25" buttons which there is plenty of out of the way real estate for.



Doesn't the use of such stumpy short pitch controls force the importance of having sync? If the pitch controls were longer and provider greater, more precise control, then yes, I agree that importance of sync and beatgrids diminishes.

Don't get me wrong, I found beatgrid controls useful on the S1, but the keyboards controls are quite good, for what is only an occasional use feature...



This is probably my biggest concern with the 380, but I'm hopeful that Vestax quality will be good. From what I can tell, there seem to be no complaints about those on the 300, unlike the (allegedly) inaccurate pitch faders on the NS6.
If they do prove to be a little imprecise, a software tweak to +/-4% should fix it.

All I know, is that the 380 has pretty much every feature I would want on a controller (compact, high quality, adjustable jogwheels, RGB FSR pads etc..)

I can probably live without beatgrid controls on the 380, but the crazy jumping loop behavior is unfortunately a deal breaker. I'm a very heavy SSL user and need consistent, predictable behavior across both programs. I would think any other SSL user would want/expect the same.



Agreed. Very curious to hear user experiences to start coming in on this topic. User selectable +/-4%, +/-8%, +/-16%... pitch ranges I would think would be ideal.

I'm with you on this, I use SSL as well, and while I can see why some might want jumping stored loops, I'd at least like the option to switch them to behave the SSL way.
Enabling stored loops is the kind of functionality I WOULD want on my controller, not my keyboard...

Despite that though, I do intend on picking one up, only because it does everything else superbly.

I use the pitch slider like I do with the turntables been in that habit since I started Djing.

Alright But here is the NUMBER 1 Concern!!! When will they begin Selling in THE U.S. I keep hearing round about dates. "The week of" or "around this time" What is the dayum date!! My local Guitar Center said this tuesday which would be 6-12 but that was after they said they would have it the previous Wed. Is it that hard just give us a Date.

^ me too. Vestax posted on here saying by end of next week...

the only good thing is every potential or minor issue is being outed ahead of buying it

Good point. Fingers crossed that they're addressing the wacky looping behavior. If that gets sorted out at launch I'll buy one pronto and just live with the other shortcomings.

Yeah, there's no reason they can't change the software or at least you'd think. But I won't go on another FX rant this week...

Kinda bummed they took off the censor button tho as I've been using that instead of the FX to mess with beats...

I wanted to used the VFX1 for Mic and Master effects with the 380. hopefully Vestax will allow this in the future. and hopefully just better quality FXs as well

Yeah the censor button has always been one of the best effects. Maybe they can sneak that back in as a shift function somewhere.

^ yeah like press shift and rotate the platter backwards or something...

if this was 2 years ago i would believe they could figure it out. by this point I'm sort of apathetic.

What I'm really hoping is to have the Efx of SSL ported to ITCH.

Aren't SL + Itch supposed to be running on the same or similar code now?

That would make you think it couldn't be that hard to do. Makes me wonder why they haven't already.

Jumping to Loops instead of turning them On/Off is a deal-breaker for me as well. I can live with the beat grids on the cpu.

I believe I can live with the other shortcomings as well.

If I express what I've been thinking about SSL and the possible reasons Itch's effects are being held back I'll probably get the ban hammer...

What is the deal with the effects in ITCH? You can go tweak city in SSL, or even combine 3 custom effects for 1 powerful effect. You have 1 Parameter in ITCH. That's IT! Just because there isn't 3 knobs on a controller doesn't mean you should limit the effects.

I'm not an effects guy, but I cannot even use a simple delay or echo because of the limitations. I'm very disappointed in Itch's effects. I guess I will have to start giving Itch Controllers bad reviews until Serato wakes up.

Nobody's looking.

Nah. I'll just keep my business theories to myself.

<3 Serato

Oh, now I see your point!

Well more like I know wha you are thinking

You can do it.........lol Letting it out can make a big difference.

lol no... I'm gonna choose to put faith in Itch for now.

Even though Vestax is my favorite, I just wish Rane decided to get on board with this controller stuff a few years ago. Albeit they don't build certain parts needed.

hey guys I know a few of you have asked me to see how SERATO video works with the vci 380..
I did a quick demo of it for you guys...

the video is again blocked in some countries so hopefully it works for you guys...

dont mind the serato video demo watermark..I dont own serato video because I never VDJ...just a demo for some serato members...

enjoy

Watchwww.youtube.com

also this is the zhane FX mix as well if you havent seen it yet

Watchwww.youtube.com

I was about to get twitch but when I saw this I was like wait up it has the same controls as twitch but has to jog wheels :D , totally getting this

Smart move because Twitch flubbed the output volume whereas the 380 didn't.

anxiously waiting... just to demo this piece of gear

What is the range for the pitch control? +/- 6% ?? Can it be toggled to increase the range?