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VCI-380!!

Solidsnake 3:38 AM - 17 March, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com

Wow, amazing bit of gear here. Can't wait to see more on it!
DJ 3RDDEGREE 3:53 AM - 17 March, 2012
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Watchwww.youtube.com

Wow, amazing bit of gear here. Can't wait to see more on it!

Solidsnake thanks for the scoop on the 380! I knew Vestax had to be coming out with a new Itch controller and I am ecstatic! I doubted the VCI 300 when it came out but I'll be getting the 380 EARLY!!
KD1011 3:56 AM - 17 March, 2012
It looks epic:

www.digitaldjtips.com
thebulge 4:39 AM - 17 March, 2012
Best controller yet. Sampler, Roll, Loop, SLICER pads. FX on... built like a 400 (at least we assume)

LED sticker!

Compact.

... and ITCH so it's plug an play.

My VCI-300mk2 has now found worthy replacement.
thebulge 4:40 AM - 17 March, 2012
and they didn't jump on the worthless 4ch bandwagon.
KD1011 4:43 AM - 17 March, 2012
Looks amazing, RGB (velocity sensitive?) pads....
hardware mixer....
Vestax quality...
and a heck of lot more compact than an S1.

I think we have a winner here....
thebulge 4:46 AM - 17 March, 2012
can anyone see a hamster switch?.. back to my midi hack for that if not.
KD1011 4:48 AM - 17 March, 2012
I think you can set that in ITCH prefs, not 100% sure though.

I just hope those pitch faders are nice and accurate...

other than that, can't wait....
thebeatworx 4:56 AM - 17 March, 2012
Doh!!! My apologies to phatbob... He didn't necessarily foresee this, but he definitely argued the point of the VCi-400 not supporting ITCH...
haze324 5:00 AM - 17 March, 2012
AND..........

.......BOOTH OUT!!!!!!

That thing looks very well put together!
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:00 AM - 17 March, 2012
www.vestax.com. More info and eye candy at vestax
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:05 AM - 17 March, 2012
Though vestax needs spell check. LoL

CONTOLLERIST
Solidsnake 6:44 AM - 17 March, 2012
Shutup and take my money!
KD1011 7:57 AM - 17 March, 2012
^This

I honestly can't think of anything I'd add to it...
Dave The One 8:02 AM - 17 March, 2012
I was never a fan of Vestax, however the pads on this controller caught my eye and I'm a big fan of slice mode (novation twitch) which makes an appearance on this vestax controller.

I hope the NSP6 (google it) comes out sooner than later....
phatbob 10:18 AM - 17 March, 2012
@thebeatworx

Big hugs! LOL

However, I did get it kinda wrong in the past, I predicted that Vestax would bring out an Itch/400 equivalent at NAMM, instead we've got this now.

It does look dope. Personally, having used the Twitch for a few months and got used to the power of smart sync, my next controller needs to have 4 decks in order to go 'next level'.

But as a replacement for the 300, this thing looks like a BEAST.
phatbob 10:21 AM - 17 March, 2012
Actually I'm most excited by the Pad FX, as that hints that we'll finally get the FX being worked on properly in a forthcoming version of Itch, which is good for everybody.
DJDeluchi 11:26 AM - 17 March, 2012
i think this might have just been a musicmesse surprise that someone at vestax let out the bag to early lol

looks awsome tho and if its the right price i think i will move over to itch as i have been looking to do so for a while
skinnyguy 11:44 AM - 17 March, 2012
Almost makes me wanna go back to itch...
selkie 1:41 PM - 17 March, 2012
It has pad fx... maybe ean golden was involved somehow? maybe that will push serato to fix ITCH fx?
Dj Nyce 3:11 PM - 17 March, 2012
sending my vci-300 mkii back right now
Underground 4:29 PM - 17 March, 2012
Yep, it looks the mutts nuts!

Maybe it's time to eBay the DDJ S1 before it looses more money.
DJ dVO 5:01 PM - 17 March, 2012
Amen! So so glad that I didn't buy the VCI-400 because it didn't feel right knowing Vestax and Serato in the past had partnered up for a dedicated Itch controller. The puzzle was really missing, until now.....

Kudos to Vestax for reading the comments and taking those into considering when making the VCI-380. Thank you for ditching the TS 1/4" master out and opting for the XLRs. Bigger thank you dedicated booth out (disappointment with RCAs choice over TS 1/4" though). And the biggest kudos to you Vestax for making it a stand-alone audio mixer with external inputs!!!!

More news in over at DJWORX....

djworx.com
DJ Oasys 5:15 PM - 17 March, 2012
Looks awesome!!! Can't wait to try it.
Solidsnake 5:18 PM - 17 March, 2012
Suggested retail at $999 so street maybe $799? Same price VCI-300 launched at if I remember correctly.
DJ Oasys 5:30 PM - 17 March, 2012
I'll get that and the new MacBook pro Ivy bridge. Sweeeeet.
dj lashes 5:33 PM - 17 March, 2012
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and they didn't jump on the worthless 4ch bandwagon.


i was about to post the opposite i would love this controller even more with 4 decks.
DJ CAPRO 6:02 PM - 17 March, 2012
making plans to sell my pimped out 300mkII but kinda curious if the wheels are going to be as nice
Kmxorbit 6:23 PM - 17 March, 2012
Seems they covered all the "to be improved" things of the VCI 300.
Mmmmm, I think I'm interested in checking this controller out :-D
GI Trackt 6:32 PM - 17 March, 2012
Controller looks absolutely sick but I will switch back to Itch when Itch includes a "MIDI clock OUT" :-/
djcerla 6:45 PM - 17 March, 2012
want
serkan 8:15 PM - 17 March, 2012
If someone asked me for the perfect controller I would've said:
A mix of Twitch & VCI-300MKII.
Now I say VCI-380 - thanks Vestax :)
Solidsnake 8:27 PM - 17 March, 2012
Vestax started the controller movement with the VCI-100 and now are taking the lead once again with this controller. Thoroughly impressed. Also with the way sample decks can be used in ITCH, no need for 4 channels at all.
DJ CAPRO 8:41 PM - 17 March, 2012
^ truth
djcerla 9:00 PM - 17 March, 2012
can you guys imagine what a clever DJ may do with 8 cue points on a specially prepared videoclip?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:30 PM - 17 March, 2012
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can you guys imagine what a clever DJ may do with 8 cue points on a specially prepared videoclip?


Yeah I would like to know ;) when will you make a youtube vid? LOL
djcerla 9:35 PM - 17 March, 2012
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can you guys imagine what a clever DJ may do with 8 cue points on a specially prepared videoclip?


Yeah I would like to know ;) when will you make a youtube vid? LOL


check out what Joaquim Garraud does with his keytar and VSL, and you'll have an hint ;)
Papa Midnight 12:59 AM - 18 March, 2012
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and they didn't jump on the worthless 4ch bandwagon.

I disagree with this assessment. I use 2-Decks myself, but I can see numerous benefits to 4 channels.

Either way, I don't mind this new unit, though I swear it looks like someone compressed the VCI-300 and Novation Twitch onto the same device. That said...

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can you guys imagine what a clever DJ may do with 8 cue points on a specially prepared videoclip?


"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit" :P
dj lashes 5:52 AM - 18 March, 2012
just my last words for now about 2 or 4 decks, I think it really should be up to the user a way to pick 2 or 4 decks, why update itch to have 4 decks then make a new HOT controller which i know 100% am gonna get one BUT now i have to go back to 2 decks WTF just add a use 2 or 4 deck option and start pleasing all users.
Papa Midnight 6:36 AM - 18 March, 2012
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just my last words for now about 2 or 4 decks, I think it really should be up to the user a way to pick 2 or 4 decks, why update itch to have 4 decks then make a new HOT controller which i know 100% am gonna get one BUT now i have to go back to 2 decks WTF just add a use 2 or 4 deck option and start pleasing all users.

ITCH devices and features are starting to become as [if-not-more] fragmented as [/than] Android OS; and it seems that this is the status quo. I hope this is not the situation.
marcA 8:54 AM - 18 March, 2012
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Seems they covered all the "to be improved" things of the VCI 300.

Mmmmm, I think I'm interested in checking this controller out :-D

same here, this is the only all in one i guess that covers itch completely
damehype 12:13 PM - 18 March, 2012
Next up on deck....... Numark
DJ 3RDDEGREE 5:00 PM - 18 March, 2012
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Next up on deck....... Numark

Next up? How about Denon or Allen & Heath? At least the Xone DX deserves an offspring. Denon would need to go HAM.
benictrs 5:12 PM - 18 March, 2012
I would bet my money that allen&heat are preparing something sweet too so i'l wait a little and see the new itch controler they release , Prehaps at the musicmese??? Lets see🐷
phatbob 5:19 PM - 18 March, 2012
I bet the DX has sold so few units that Allen & Heath will never make an Itch controller again.

Not a comment on the product, just based on my impressions of how their Itch project has gone.
Solidsnake 5:39 PM - 18 March, 2012
DX is a great product just the introductory price point killed it IMO.
Mattatya 8:41 PM - 18 March, 2012
Should I keeping homes up for Denon maybe support 6000 or new version of SSL denon controller or jump off the Demon Ship?. All I own is denon and fear brand change for some reason. I give the younger generation of DJs props for being so open minded abouts brands and information changes in todays market. I2012 has seen so many changes but I'm still rocking a great set on 1200's TTs & mobile on denon cdjs. That being said I'm also not a live producer when spinning either and love letting a track speak for itself with how it was originally remixed. There so many markets out there for DJs its really great to see how investments of gear pays off in the skills of all formats DJs mix these days. I'm even more excited to watch Serato software products merging together to help make it so much easier for us to have all options in one stable process.
Dave The One 8:43 PM - 18 March, 2012
The NS6 is damn near perfect; (4 decks, sp6 sample triggering) the only thing it doesn't have is pads which is ok as I use the hot cue buttons; I can mimic slicing with the sp6 loading a track in each slot with different 6 cue points and looping or starting from cue points and using the sync in the sp6, if they just add a slicing feature in the sp6 i'll be fine using the cue butons to trigger and manipulate the slices.
DJ I.O 9:14 PM - 18 March, 2012
I just sold my recently brought vci300 on ebay I know its a bit early but the VCI380 is the controller of my dreams . its is everything I ever wanted in a 300 and more
Papa Midnight 9:15 PM - 18 March, 2012
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The NS6 is damn near perfect; (4 decks, sp6 sample triggering) the only thing it doesn't have is pads which is ok as I use the hot cue buttons

I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.
[O/][iii][O/] 9:28 PM - 18 March, 2012
#1) Thank God it has booth outputs. Why some manufacturers refuse accept the vital importance of this basic feature for so many DJs is beyond me.

#2) Kudos on XLR main outputs. This will make many DJs' lives a whole lot easier since XLR is the norm in the field making adapters a whole lot less frequently needed.

#3) It appears the at the control surface is now a nice, professional, non-glare matte texture rather than that horrific, shiny, glossy, fingerprint magnet, cheesy, crap plastic many other manufacturers and models (e.g. VCI-300) used. Please tell me the VCI-380's control surface is black anodized aluminum. For $1K it better be.

#4) The SYNC, CUE, and PLAY/PAUSE buttons look awfully cheap for a unit at this price point. So do the fader caps. Finish this detail and you've got a real winner.

#5) This better not have the poor audio output level problems that Novation's Twitch does. What a debacle that was.
Dave The One 9:30 PM - 18 March, 2012
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I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.


The pitch resolution is fine with me; i'm used to riding nice long blends too, I'm used to pitching with the ns6; sometimes I use the led's in the top center by the efx section to pitch it up real quick and lightly touch the outside of the platter to keep it in time and lately I've been beatgridding and syncing; I can pitch with my eyes closed so I don't consider it cheating.

As far as keeping it real for those that are against sync and using controllers and not turntables; I say keep it real and record your mixes on magnetic tape reel to reel or casette; why use a hard drive to record your mixes; lol; keep it real!
[O/][iii][O/] 9:33 PM - 18 March, 2012
Also, will someone please explain to me why so many manufactures put two red clip indicators on the level meters? I mean red means clip, right? So what is double reds, double clipping?
DJ I.O 9:40 PM - 18 March, 2012
I think each color bars on the meter indicates a 3 decibel difference. even tho the first red bar is a clipping you can still need to know where your at as far as gain stages. for example if digital clipping happens over 0db then the first red bar is 3db over 0db, and the second red bar is 6 db over 0
KD1011 10:15 PM - 18 March, 2012
How are vestax pitch faders generally? ( e.g. On the VCI300)
Are they as good as those on the S1?
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:18 PM - 18 March, 2012
another anoyying point is that the mic volume and booth volume controlls are on the back of the unit. apart from that a wicked unit.
wadup 11:38 PM - 18 March, 2012
this thing will be a killer if it get supported by scratch Live or someone here figure out how to map the jogwheels similar to the dn6000
Joee 11:48 PM - 18 March, 2012
nice
StevenWayne 12:22 AM - 19 March, 2012
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The NS6 is damn near perfect; (4 decks, sp6 sample triggering) the only thing it doesn't have is pads which is ok as I use the hot cue buttons

I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.


i'm not familiar with this, what is this pitch resolution you speak of?
Papa Midnight 12:47 AM - 19 March, 2012
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I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.


The pitch resolution is fine with me; i'm used to riding nice long blends too, I'm used to pitching with the ns6; sometimes I use the led's in the top center by the efx section to pitch it up real quick and lightly touch the outside of the platter to keep it in time and lately I've been beatgridding and syncing; I can pitch with my eyes closed so I don't consider it cheating.

As far as keeping it real for those that are against sync and using controllers and not turntables; I say keep it real and record your mixes on magnetic tape reel to reel or casette; why use a hard drive to record your mixes; lol; keep it real!

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The NS6 is damn near perfect; (4 decks, sp6 sample triggering) the only thing it doesn't have is pads which is ok as I use the hot cue buttons

I would agree if it wasn't for the damned pitch resolution.


i'm not familiar with this, what is this pitch resolution you speak of?


I take my NS7 or I use a V7, and I can move the pitch in .01 percentile increments. Anytime I've demoed the NS6, I get increments of ~.13%.

I'm not making this up regarding the NS6. This has been discussed before: serato.com
DJ Fez 2:50 AM - 19 March, 2012
got to hope for better fx here for the software, otherwise those pads wont get much use
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:03 AM - 19 March, 2012
serato.com

It is now on the front page of this forum :)
Solidsnake 4:56 AM - 19 March, 2012
I have a feeling the faders will be the same Faders found on the VCI-300 but hopefully they allow the CF-X2 in this controller also. The fact that I have the CF-X2 in my VCI-300 means I can't sell due to not being able to reverse the drivers on it.
Kepik 6:09 AM - 19 March, 2012
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I have a feeling the faders will be the same Faders found on the VCI-300 but hopefully they allow the CF-X2 in this controller also. The fact that I have the CF-X2 in my VCI-300 means I can't sell due to not being able to reverse the drivers on it.


It says the CF-X2 is compatible
vestax.com

I'm on the same boat. I also have the CF-X2 installed on my VCI-300MK2. I paid a little more for the CF-X2 when it just came out. If only there was a firmware to reverse the process, so I can keep the CF-X2, when I sell the VCI-300MK2.
signs 9:11 AM - 19 March, 2012
damn. just bought NS-6 after NAMM show. thought there will be no other new things.. But that loooks soo great!
skratchworx 10:13 AM - 19 March, 2012
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damn. just bought NS-6 after NAMM show. thought there will be no other new things.. But that loooks soo great!

There are always new things. It's a matter of buying what suits you at the time.
Kmxorbit 1:52 PM - 19 March, 2012
looking forward to an in depth review of this piece of equipment.
DJ CAPRO 2:33 PM - 19 March, 2012
was gonna sell my 300 but now i'm gonna unload my mixer, EFX, and SL1 because you can hook techs right into this thing and leave the 300 for backup and cheap gigs :)
ral 2:43 PM - 19 March, 2012
this might be itch controller i've been waiting for!
Dj Ace 2:44 PM - 19 March, 2012
You can hook up tech's but I don't think you will be able to use them to control the virtual decks tho
haze324 3:16 PM - 19 March, 2012
looking at the pics ---- how do you assign the FX to each deck? Can you only assign one FX per deck?? (one for each side?)

I think it looks great. I had a VCI-300 and loved. Only thing with controllers is that I'm not a fan of "performance modes" and having one button do multiple things or having to press shift for secondary functions. After a long night this gets confusing.
Kmxorbit 3:30 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Only thing with controllers is that I'm not a fan of "performance modes" and having one button do multiple things or having to press shift for secondary functions. After a long night this gets confusing.

+1. In that perspective: less is more...
kraal 4:14 PM - 19 March, 2012
vestax does it again. i loved the vci-300... this guy well this guy is even cooler
DJ dVO 4:20 PM - 19 March, 2012
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damn. just bought NS-6 after NAMM show. thought there will be no other new things.. But that loooks soo great!

There are always new things. It's a matter of buying what suits you at the time.


Exactly!

Mark, time to ask the admin to change skratchworx to djworx :)
Eric N 4:33 PM - 19 March, 2012
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You can hook up tech's but I don't think you will be able to use them to control the virtual decks tho


If I read the specs correctly, you also can't use the EQs with the line/phono inputs - but you can use the filter? Seems a little counter-intuitive. Otherwise this thing looks like a monster!

Curious why ANY new Itch controllers are coming out without buttons or knobs for video control though. If they opened up video mapping via an iPad/iPhone app, this thing would be damn near perfect as far as backpack-sized controllers go!
Eric N 4:44 PM - 19 March, 2012
If I read the specs correctly, you also can't use the EQs with the line/phono inputs - but you can use the filter? Seems a little counter-intuitive. Otherwise this thing looks like a monster!


I read incorrectly - looks like you CAN use the EQs, plus the FX knob works as a filter when running analog sources through. VERY interesting indeed!
Eric N 4:44 PM - 19 March, 2012
^^^^self-quote mega-fail. Oh well, it's Monday. :)
Eric N 6:17 PM - 19 March, 2012
Here's a question about the 380, if anyone from Serato or Vestax is reading this...

When running in analog mixer mode, will the faders/crossfader be MIDI-assignable and still perform their analog functions?

Considering selling my 300mk2 and getting one of these for the home studio - then running it with an SL1 and turntables. Would be awesome if I could MIDI-map all of my SSL audio and video FX, transitions etc. to buttons on the 380 and use it with 1200s when I want a "full" setup, but then take JUST the controller when I need a compact and easy setup solution...
haze324 6:21 PM - 19 March, 2012
^ good question and that's makes tons of sense.
DJ dVO 7:04 PM - 19 March, 2012
Is there a soft case for the 380 out there or if it will ship with a soft case? Now that would be a bonus! :)
Rrocksteady 7:20 PM - 19 March, 2012
great looking machine!
i all most want one...
except its only 2deck and not 4???????????????????????
WarpNote 8:29 PM - 19 March, 2012
I for one am glad they made it 2 decks only. If I wanna play more decks, I want physical control over all of them at all times. ie 4 physical decks.

And having 6 sample slots synced to the main bpm really allows for 8 decks in total.
The only thing missing would be hardware gain, eq, lpf/hpf & fx for the sample slots.
Then again, I might be wrong about the fx, been a long time since I messed with itch...
sheeno 8:57 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Here's a question about the 380, if anyone from Serato or Vestax is reading this...

When running in analog mixer mode, will the faders/crossfader be MIDI-assignable and still perform their analog functions?.


This is a great idea, but I think a cleaner way of doing this would be if Serato offered a paid-for timecode plugin for Itch. The plugin could be branded as Rane - like the pitch n time plugins.

The vci-380 would be the perfect controller to launch this new plugin.

Personally, I would love this setup.
skinnyguy 9:20 PM - 19 March, 2012
rane doesn't make pnt. serato does. and supposedly, they're still "working on it". keep wishing tho..
Joee 9:21 PM - 19 March, 2012
Solidsnake 9:25 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Uhhh you linked back to this thread? Just curious as to what you meant to link to.
Joee 9:26 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Uhhh you linked back to this thread? Just curious as to what you meant to link to.

sorry..... i meant to link this thread to the vci 400 one
Solidsnake 9:29 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Here's a question about the 380, if anyone from Serato or Vestax is reading this...

When running in analog mixer mode, will the faders/crossfader be MIDI-assignable and still perform their analog functions?

Considering selling my 300mk2 and getting one of these for the home studio - then running it with an SL1 and turntables. Would be awesome if I could MIDI-map all of my SSL audio and video FX, transitions etc. to buttons on the 380 and use it with 1200s when I want a "full" setup, but then take JUST the controller when I need a compact and easy setup solution...


Now you put that thought in my head... With a CF-X2 in there it would make for a dope mixer with a lot of midi assignable buttons for Scratch Live.
Eric N 9:47 PM - 19 March, 2012
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Now you put that thought in my head... With a CF-X2 in there it would make for a dope mixer with a lot of midi assignable buttons for Scratch Live.


My thoughts exactly. In fact (I know this is blasphemy to some), I would even consider getting the 380 INSTEAD of a 61 or 62 if it works like this. I am pretty happy with my 57 and my 300mk2 overall, and would only be jumping to the 62 to get added functionality/bells and whistles. IF I could make the 380 "my bitch" and set up the knobs and buttons how I wanted when using SSL, it might actually be a more useful (and versatile) unit to spend money on... for me anyway.
Solidsnake 10:47 PM - 19 March, 2012
Yeah man, I just picked up the 61 too, wish that thought wouldn't have crossed my mind.
[O/][iii][O/] 12:52 AM - 20 March, 2012
The slightly raised/angled pad sections on the VCI-380 is a nice touch.
dj lashes 1:39 AM - 20 March, 2012
are VCI dj smarter then NS dj users???
1st got the VCI-300 and loved the Platter scroll then i seen the NS6 which like the superman of controllers but i hate that there is no platter scroll so i started a thread serato.com and here is what a a member of team serato said...

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Logan D 3:49 AM 27 January 2012
I personally don't like the idea of giving the platter the ability to scroll through the library. For me this is putting the functionality that you probably use the most (library navigation) together with the most high-risk thing on the whole controller. It would be way too easy to think you are in library scroll mode when you aren't and that would have probably the most disastrous consequences for a DJ - Don't you think?


now here comes the new VCI380 which by the photos clearly has platter scroll so Mr Logan what happened do all NS djs have 2 left hands why you guy always like "I personally dont think xyz" give us the option in the setting to pick for our self.
Maskrider 3:19 AM - 20 March, 2012
I haven't been here for a couple of days a New controller pops out.......My VCI300 finally had a worthy replacement......Time to save and Get this Bad Boy......lol
djallstyle 4:40 AM - 20 March, 2012
1st.... This unit will be purchased the 1st day or pre ordered. My Vci400 just went back. Seemed like a complete waste to release the 400 w/ Serato Intro software 1st. Serato seems to have a huge controller base for itch & knew this was going to happen. Our time, some's tax returns or earned $ has been wasted.
Now , after saying that... I can't wait to get mine!!! Eff Dat!!! Lol....
Jiggy Flipp L.O.T 5:11 AM - 20 March, 2012
AGI is taking pre orders . Starts shipping mid April......
WarpNote 7:11 AM - 20 March, 2012
Question to Vestax/Serato:
Will the VCI-380 have manual loop control (in/out buttons) ?
Dave The One 12:45 PM - 20 March, 2012
Ive never been a fan of the Vestax controllers because of the size.
Ns6, Ns7, 4 track, ddjs1, are the perfect size for me, anything smaller looks and has the feel of a toy. All this is about to change as I just ordered Twitch, it will be here tomorrow. However, it will be used to compliment the ns6, not standalone. I'll try it for 30 days to see if it suits me well.
Solidsnake 2:13 PM - 20 March, 2012
For most people, they are fans of controllers such as the VCI series and Twitch and the DX because of the size. Most of us have a full blown DVS system so we are looking for something that is small and compact not something that is just as big as a DVS system. 2 CDJ 350/400's and a DJM-350 is just as big as the ddj-s1, ns6, smaller than ns7 (and lighter too).

It's all relative, a lot of controllerists have always wanted that full blown system, so the ns6 and ddj-s1 represent the NDX line and CDJ-400 line as far as controllers go, so people tend to look at those bigger controllers. Whereas DVS users tend to look at smaller controllers as to have something compact that can perform very well, and Vestax delivers. I'm not saying that DVS users don't look at the bigger controllers too, just that they look to suit their needs, and having a smaller compact controller is the way to go for gigs you just can't bring the turntables out.

Also to say Vestax controllers look and feel like toys is pretty arrogant. If you want to look at it that way all the controllers you listed are toys because it isn't a DVS, CDJ setup, or Vinyl setup. In fact if you took a poll I'd bet that the VCI-300 wins for best non-moving jog wheels and it already has the best faders especially with the CF-X2 crossfader.
[O/][iii][O/] 2:38 PM - 20 March, 2012
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I'm not saying that DVS users don't look at the bigger controllers too, just that they look to suit their needs, and having a smaller compact controller is the way to go for gigs you just can't bring the turntables out.


Bingo. So many people make the mistake of viewing DVS vs. Big Controllers vs. Compact Controllers as an either/or choice and it's not. Comparing these is ridiculous. Having different tools for different situations is a much smarter approach.
haze324 2:39 PM - 20 March, 2012
^ Good points.

My home set up are two 1200's + DJM 800 + SSL. At my club gigs I play on CDJ's. I had a VCI-300 for small mobile parties and recently upgraded to a DDJ-S1. This past Saturday I played at a lounge that had some crappy gear and figured I'd take my DDJ-S1. I haven't had a good excuse to use it yet. It worked great btw.

But...I was talking to my friend and I said that although the layout was great, the size was very close to a standard set up, it just didn't "feel" the same as real gear. That I could've played the exact same set on a VCI-300 with no worries. I was hoping the DDJ-S1 would mimick that same feel of real gear that I find very enjoyable. It was great, I'll probably still hang on to it --- but the VCI-380 now intrigues me because of the size I could probably take it more places than the DDJ-S1.
DJ CAPRO 3:12 PM - 20 March, 2012
Selling my DVS equipment in Canada if anybody wants so I can plug Technics into the 380 :D

toronto.kijiji.ca
WarpNote 3:44 PM - 20 March, 2012
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Most of us have a full blown DVS system so we are looking for something that is small and compact not something that is just as big

As snake says, Already have tech 1210s with the 68 for full size setup, CDJ1000 for medium,
so a 380 can be real useful as a miniature setup, but still more "pro" than others out there...
[O/][iii][O/] 4:37 PM - 20 March, 2012
Yeah, my #1 choice is always a two or three Technics SL-1200s, a REAL mixer (eg: Rane Rotary Empath, E&S DJR400, Urei, Bozak, et al), and a Rane SL4 . We all know the first part of that equation (1200s) is quickly becoming extinct in the field so bouncing to CDJs is the current #2 choice only because that's what's usually available. I've got a NS6, which aside from the horrible metering section I love for banging around at home on the fly or for smaller/medium sized gigs that I can bring gear and has space for it (and of course not using vinyl either), but the NS6 won't fit in the majority of booths I encounter.... so I had gotten a Twitch unit to fill the ultra-compact solution, but could never get used to rotary pitch controls and the poor output volume always required me to bring a level-boosting device to gig, which defeated the whole point of having an "all-in-one" portable solution that I could throw in a bag and fit in booths. This VCI-380 looks to be the first true pro caliber unit to fill the ultrs-compact need I have. Bravo Vestax if it's constructed, feels, performs, sounds like I hope it will. :fingerscrossed:
[O/][iii][O/] 4:41 PM - 20 March, 2012
^^^ That being said, my ultimate hope is that Rane will eventually wake up and produce a proper controller like we all know Rane could do if they did. Everything else always feels like a compromise.
Maskrider 10:21 PM - 20 March, 2012
A midi controller for Scratch Live by RANE will top them all
DJ CAPRO 10:32 PM - 20 March, 2012
Ya except they have never built a media player to my knowledge.
Solidsnake 10:40 PM - 20 March, 2012
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A midi controller for Scratch Live by RANE will top them all


When I read that... Lord of the Rings came to mind...

"Nine MIDI controllers for mortal men (DX, V7, NS6, NS7, DDJ-S1, Twitch, HC5000, VCI-300, VCI-380)
One MIDI controller from RANE on their throne.
One MIDI controller to rule them all, One MIDI controller to find them,
One MIDI controller to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of New Zealand(Where Mordor was filmed) where the Serato software(s) lie."

Anddddddd... I'm a nerd (NH, NM)
kraal 10:43 PM - 20 March, 2012
what makes anyone think that the rane midi controller will top them all... even the midi buttons on the rane mixers are not the best out there
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:43 PM - 20 March, 2012
Quote:

Anddddddd... I'm a nerd (NH, NM)

+10. LoL
Solidsnake 10:46 PM - 20 March, 2012
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what makes anyone think that the rane midi controller will top them all... even the midi buttons on the rane mixers are not the best out there


On the 68 I agree, but the 61/62 much improved. Also didn't say that I thought it would be #1 just when the comment appeared, made me think of Lord of the Rings lol...

Personally I've always used Vestax products(mixers, controllers, tables for a little bit), I think the VCI-380 will be the one to top them all.
WarpNote 10:59 PM - 20 March, 2012
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what makes anyone think that the rane midi controller will top them all... even the midi buttons on the rane mixers are not the best out there
What kraal said. No so sure that Rane is the right company for building midi controllers, whether its motorized platters or not. Maybe leave Rane to what they do best.
And I love my 68 btw.
I also have faith in this 380 controller. So again:
Quote:
Will the VCI-380 have manual loop control (in/out buttons) ?
Dave The One 11:59 PM - 20 March, 2012
Interesting points; I didn't realize I came off arrogant and my apologies for that. I tend to come off strong when I don't like something. I shouldn't have said that they look like toys; I didn't like the feel or handling of the vestax and the size is just not suitable for me; I stopped using 1200's long ago as well as vinyl; just as I no longer use reel to reel or cassette to record music like most of you but that doesn't make me less real than anyone else neither.

I'm in love with the Dicers from novation but have no place for them as one they do not work with itch and two they won't fit anywhere on the NS6, I do envy the turntablists for having such a nifty tool. I'm really impressed with those things as I am with Twitch and the slicer feature; I'm hoping that the NSP6 comes out of vaporware and that I can get them in a pair to sit on each side of the ns6.

Anyway, Good Luck with the Vestax VCI 380, I'm sure many will enjoy it as much as the 300.
I think there are way too many controllers on the market; it's good and it's bad; I cant believe I'm shelling out for Novation Twitch because Serato decided to shelf the nsp6 and have not made the slicer a native twitch feature like the sp6.

The VCI 380 looks like a real winner already because of the pads and slice feature.

I think the real surprise is going to be the MPCDJ now that pads and slice control are becoming an integral part of every new controller coming out.
kraal 12:33 AM - 21 March, 2012
and with the pads being added to itch seems to be moving more in the direct competition against traktor
Dave The One 1:05 AM - 21 March, 2012
Way too many controllers; I bought th apc40 in anticipation of the bridge for itch and now twitch is coming. Itch needs full midi capabikity already. Its been a long time since i used Traktor, I'm so comfortable with Serato but I'm tired of buying companion pieces to get the job done. apc 40 was a big mistake. there's no bridge for itch. and I'm sure I'll enjoy twitch but my ns6 is more than capable of doing the same things.

I say it's time to protest. Serato is starting to make niche controllers for itch.
Oyr controllers are just like turntables they are not disposable. As nice as the VCi 380 is and all these other controllers we need to stop supporting Serato until they give us

Sorry to end this on a sour note but enough is enough.
I'm sure the vestax 300 users would love if they were able to work with live or if itch had the same features as live and full midi mapping/midi learn for any midi controller (dj, keyboard, drum pad)
Dave The One 1:13 AM - 21 March, 2012
in fact I'm putting te pressure on Serato right now,

check this video out Watchvimeo.com

This is all we really need! 2 V7's linked with the output going to the IO2. APC in the middle as the dj mixer, macro's, eq's and fileters mapped. All MIDI. short, simple, & sweet.
And he's using ableton live!

Wake up everyone! If ableton makes live a full blown dj application I'm out!
Give us midi in itch!
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:15 AM - 21 March, 2012
Serato does not make the controllers ;)
Serato makes the software. Pioneer, Vestax, Novation, Rane etc etc makes the controllers/mixers Its up to the controller manufacturer to chose what software to use with their product. This is how I perceive the whole deal.
Dave The One 1:53 AM - 21 March, 2012
^^^
Serato does have a slice function in itch but it only works with twitch, that's not right.
Serato also made features specific to novations dicer for live.

C'mon man. Serato is just as responsible as anyone else for the too many to count controllers for itch. Again 500 -1300 for these niche itch controllers are crazy.
All the features and midi mapping should be opened up in itch and live and itch should be the mirror image of live for dj midi controllers!
kraal 2:31 AM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
Serato does not make the controllers ;)
Serato makes the software. Pioneer, Vestax, Novation, Rane etc etc makes the controllers/mixers Its up to the controller manufacturer to chose what software to use with their product. This is how I perceive the whole deal.

all true but the main issue is you get features based on the controller you choose. so at some point you either may og got the wrong controller. or the feature you want just isnt in the controller that is right for you
WarpNote 8:44 AM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
all true but the main issue is you get features based on the controller you choose. so at some point you either may og got the wrong controller. or the feature you want just isnt in the controller that is right for you

I'm with Kraal on this.
Sorry, this is gonna be a looong post, but worth the read...
(Probably gonna add this in the proper feature request thread too...)

In my opinion, Serato needs to adapt their approach from Scratch Live. By this I mean:

#1. Use certified controller/audio interface to get get audio out of the application and move from offline player to full decks. Just like Itch and SSL work currently.

#2. Ability to remap any function in Itch, except for maybe platters, linefaders/crossfaders. This would mean MIDI learn function, and save midi presets like SSL. eg XML files.

#3. Ability to restore selected controller to factory settings. This will unload any active XML midi file.

#4. Ability to add any additional MIDI sub-controller (native Itch of non-native), but leave platter functionality, mixer and output for the main controller/sound interface. A great example is how this works in SSL. I can run the 57 or 68 with lots of native control over SSL, and still add both native sub-controllers like Dicers or HC1000s, or I can add any non-native controllers like triggerfinger or mpd etc. And still the Rane mixer will do what its supposed to.

#5. Ability to connect more than one ITCH main controller. (Eg both ns6 and VCI 300 at the same time). Then in setup select what would be the primary controller. The other one then turns into a map-able sub-controller or even secondary decs. (ie like the SL4 or Sixty Eight works)

- About the native controller argument:
"just plug and play, everything work just like expected, out of the box"
This is still possible with the factory settings restore (#3).
The very first time user plugs in the hardware it will be factory settings anyway...
For those who remember when SSL first got MIDI, it was a godsend!
No one was complaining about having more options, as far as I can remember?

- About "the need for selling controllers" to sustain Serato's business model:
Sure, I get that too. However, there is limit to how often users will can their main controller, especially when they can turn to the competitor who has already adopted a modular sub-controller system. So the answer is simple: have vendors build native modular controllers for ITCH. I mean, both Numark and Vestax have fx modules on the market already. Why not some dedicated PadFX, Serato Video, Sampler controllers. Something to compete with native X1 and F1? This way the customer can choose the easy plug & play controller or they can dabble into own customization.

So to round off, I believe ITCH needs to be steered in such a direction, both to keep clients long term and to support features down the road. Especially Serato Video and the Slicer/PadFX are current examples of these issues.
djcerla 8:52 AM - 21 March, 2012
Or just get Traktor, if you want Traktor.

Much simpler than redesigning from the ground up a product with an opposite philosophy ;)
WarpNote 9:16 AM - 21 March, 2012
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(native Itch of non-native)
should read; native Itch or non-native
WarpNote 9:59 AM - 21 March, 2012
Cerla, was that aimed at me?
If so, actually had a long look at Traktor, spent about 3 weeks on it.
But I have to say, I really love the ScratchLive GUI, I love my CV collection, I love my Rane 68, my SL4, even my old SL1. But most of all, rebuilding or even running parallel library databases is a pain in the neck. Traktor also messes up my year tags...

Quote:
Much simpler than redesigning from the ground up a product with an opposite philosophy
I'm not suggesting ITCH go with the same philosophy as Traktor.
(ie very complicated extensive midi mapping setups, above most users comprehension)

What I am suggesting is the Serato trial and tested SSL solution. Remember SSL was not designed for MIDI either, and they found it easier to write it in, than to redesign from the ground up.
DJ I.O 10:09 AM - 21 March, 2012
a simple midi learn mode and keyboard mapping would go a long way,
WarpNote 10:15 AM - 21 March, 2012
Not sure if I would need keyboard mapping though...
djcerla 10:42 AM - 21 March, 2012
I think only some ITCH controls need MIDI mapping, namely for functions not mapped in ITCH hardware.

For specific needs, there's SSL and Traktor.
WarpNote 10:57 AM - 21 March, 2012
You might be right about that Cerla. Looking for a good lighthweight alternative to my SSL setup to bring on a plane. > www.flickr.com
I don't really need more than 2 decks most of the time either.
The VCI 380 looks like the best thing (on the paper) for my needs.
djcerla 11:03 AM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
The VCI 380 looks like the best thing (on the paper) for my needs.


it's indeed a beast... anyone knows if it's bigger or big as the 300?
djcerla 11:03 AM - 21 March, 2012
*small as ;)
WarpNote 11:49 AM - 21 March, 2012
Gizmo wrote that the new platters are 5 1/3 ie 135mm, and the old ones are 115mm right?
So I'm "photoshop-guessing" something along these lines:
www.flickr.com (overlay) www.flickr.com (side by side)
sheeno 11:57 AM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
The VCI 380 looks like the best thing (on the paper) for my needs.


it's indeed a beast... anyone knows if it's bigger or big as the 300?


According the the specs on the Vestax site, its bigger & slightly heavier

vci-300mk2
Size: 410(W)x43(H)x275(D) Knobs not included
Weight : 3.2kg

vci-380
Size: 427(W)x304(D)x60(H)mm (knobs included)
Weight:3.5kg
djcerla 12:34 PM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
Gizmo wrote that the new platters are 5 1/3 ie 135mm, and the old ones are 115mm right?
So I'm "photoshop-guessing" something along these lines:
www.flickr.com (overlay) www.flickr.com (side by side)


nice, thanx
DJ LIL M 10:50 PM - 21 March, 2012
this lookin nice
MELLOHYPE 11:03 PM - 21 March, 2012
i love it already

so whats the release date so i can replace this 2 year old right platter/channel chipping out issue having vci 300 mk1 i have now?

cause i'm not sure how much longer i can go with a fucked up right channel..especially after i've already replaced the crossfader and the usb port.

vestax need to drop a date so i can properly budget.
DJ LIL M 11:22 PM - 21 March, 2012
will the crossfader be better then the vci 300
DJ I.O 11:31 PM - 21 March, 2012
Quote:
will the crossfader be better then the vci 300

probably the same being you have the option to upgrade to a CFX digital crossfader
Joee 12:07 AM - 22 March, 2012
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i love it already

so whats the release date so i can replace this 2 year old right platter/channel chipping out issue having vci 300 mk1 i have now?

cause i'm not sure how much longer i can go with a fucked up right channel..especially after i've already replaced the crossfader and the usb port.

vestax need to drop a date so i can properly budget.


mid april they are saying
dj_eddie_gr 12:35 AM - 22 March, 2012
can the VFX-1 be used alongside with the VCI-380?
Maskrider 1:17 AM - 22 March, 2012
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can the VFX-1 be used alongside with the VCI-380?


Probably you can but you won't need it since it's built in.
DJ CAPRO 2:50 AM - 22 March, 2012
^ What would be cool is if they sort out Itch video to work with it.

Possibly have the 380 running audio FX and VFX-1 on video. I will probably never mix video out but at least I will be able to tell my bank account a bedtime story.
DJ I.O 6:40 AM - 22 March, 2012
well it seems like the VCI 380 has only ch fx so if I'm not mistaken a VFX can still apply effects to a mic and master and maybe(wishful thinking) as a 3rd channel effect. I was luckier enough to sale my 300 and not throw in my VFX so I hope it can still be put to use but if not I'll sell the VFX as well. (100$ starting bid on ebay lol)
DJRICCIRICH 6:49 AM - 22 March, 2012
Is it just me....or did anyone else realize that the vci380 doesn't say itch. all other itch controllers say itch on them! the vci-380 just says serato! is there a possibility of upgrading itch to scratch live or another serato program??
DJ I.O 6:56 AM - 22 March, 2012
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Is it just me....or did anyone else realize that the vci380 doesn't say itch. all other itch controllers say itch on them! the vci-380 just says serato! is there a possibility of upgrading itch to scratch live or another serato program??

good point I'm so hoping they do. esp with stand alone mixer mode already included. I heard there's gonna be a firmware update that allows the VCi to be used as a stane alone mixer so who knows what Serato has plan.. I think they need to integrate Scratch live and Itch into one program and do away with serato intro but thats desnt seem to be the direction they want to go
WarpNote 7:09 AM - 22 March, 2012
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is there a possibility of upgrading itch to scratch live

I wouldn't count on it ;)
sheeno 7:32 AM - 22 March, 2012
New vci-380 video from musikmesse. It looks the business! I'm a bit disappointed its behind a glass screen though.

Watchwww.youtube.com
dj_eddie_gr 7:33 AM - 22 March, 2012
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Quote:
can the VFX-1 be used alongside with the VCI-380?


Probably you can but you won't need it since it's built in.

Thanks for the reply. I'm just hoping so too because on VCI there is no dedicated efx selector ,nor fx channel selector, so it could be a much easier and creative using effects on vfx-1 ;)
Solidsnake 8:24 AM - 22 March, 2012
Love my VFX-1 use it in both my itch and SL setups, would never sell it ! Haha, except maybe for a VFX-2 or something.
DJ I.O 8:33 AM - 22 March, 2012
VFX2 (hint? lol).... first they said April 17 but now Agiprodj Ships May 15,2012. I hope some one has it before that. this is the first time in the history of anything I will buy something at release
dj_eddie_gr 8:57 AM - 22 March, 2012
Got VCI-400 on release ,and now I'm selling it. ...Alongside with my TSP2 and my 2 Denon DN-SC2000. I'll be getting one of 380 beauties too. *SWITCHER HERE* Coming on the dark side of Serato :) .
I'm looking always and the DDJ-S1 option cause it is much bigger and it got REAL SIZE pitch faders. I'm used to beat match with years,pich fader ,and jog in my 15 years of djing and I like the resolution and accuracy of the long faders. Don't want to start using the damn SYNC thing ,although it useful sometimes and it frees your hands to do crazy effect combination without minding of track drift...
I want to see also how the loop function will work cause there are no IN -OUT buttons which are useful. Sometimes you have to loop something out of 2-4-8-16-32 auto loop options and/or there are moment that you need to fine-tune the Loop (in-out adjust). It would be cool to be able to adjust/trim the loop with the touchstrip like Twitch or manualy adjust the in-out point holding down the corresponding button and turning the jog like the S1 or with the touchstrip.
Generally it looks a promising controller with great new features and a compact/portable size. Let's see if the price will get any better and how loud the output will be. Also the led "sticker" on jogs. Very useful for scratchers and very sexy looking to all ;)
dj_eddie_gr 8:59 AM - 22 March, 2012
The only big minus for for me as I look at it right now is the "cheap" effect section (but that's upgradable with VFX-1...)
WarpNote 9:15 AM - 22 March, 2012
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minus for for me as I look at it right now is the "cheap" effect section

Not so sure, I think they have something up their sleeves when it comes to pad-fx.
There is a dial in the corners for this > www.digitaldjtips.com
DJ I.O 9:50 AM - 22 March, 2012
just from looking at the 380 and I could probably feel different once I have a 380 in my paws lol, but one thing I think I like better on the 300 is the scroll button. you could scroll up down lef tright, there was a button for crates, and files, I need to see what going on with the 380 in that regard, I'm sure once I get the 380 I will have gotten use to the way songs and crates & files sections are scrolled and toggled
WarpNote 10:08 AM - 22 March, 2012
Quote:
I need to see what going on with the 380 in that regard

Looks pretty much like the browsing system on the Denon HC1000S to me?
Best serato browsing system by far IMO. Will know when we try :D
[O/][iii][O/] 1:39 PM - 22 March, 2012
Quote:
New vci-380 video from musikmesse. It looks the business! I'm a bit disappointed its behind a glass screen though.

Watchwww.youtube.com


At least this video shows the matte/non-relective black metal control surface better than anything else I've seen so far for the 380. Much more professional than that horrific, glossy, glaring, fingerprint magnet, el cheapo plastic crap other controllers unfortunately use (eg: VCI-300, Kontrol S4/S2. Kudos Vestax!
sheeno 3:29 PM - 22 March, 2012
More porn (Better HD video)

Watchwww.youtube.com
[O/][iii][O/] 3:30 PM - 22 March, 2012
www.digitaldjtips.com

Anyone happen to know if the 380's platters can skip through track ON BEAT like the NS6 can?

Also, where are the beatgrid controls? (set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)
DJGator 3:40 PM - 22 March, 2012
lets see what pioneer will offer because there ddj s1 had very nice functions but i didn't like the feel of the jog wheels and the knobs I sold it knowing something was coming to work with sp6 player for itch 2.1 seamlessly . love the route itch is going
DJGator 3:43 PM - 22 March, 2012
i have my eyes locked on digital dj tips.com every2 days to see if any new itch controllers was released its like the endgadget for dj's
kraal 3:45 PM - 22 March, 2012
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lets see what pioneer will offer because there ddj s1

i honestly don't think pioneer is coming up with anything new anytime soon for itch
DJGator 3:47 PM - 22 March, 2012
pioneer always did milk the consumer for at least 4-5yrs before they drop something to replace aging equipment
DJGator 3:50 PM - 22 March, 2012
I'm hoping for a pioneer controller with the layout like the dJM T1 and some nice jogs from pioneer similar to the cdj 900-2000 imwilling to pay $2500 for that
dj_eddie_gr 4:26 PM - 22 March, 2012
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www.digitaldjtips.com

Anyone happen to know if the 380's platters can skip through track ON BEAT like the NS6 can?

Also, where are the beatgrid controls? (set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)

Yes there IS a beat skip feature. Just like Pio. Shift + Jog. Grid controls probably via mouse only as it seems...
dj_eddie_gr 4:31 PM - 22 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
minus for for me as I look at it right now is the "cheap" effect section

Not so sure, I think they have something up their sleeves when it comes to pad-fx.
There is a dial in the corners for this > www.digitaldjtips.com

I was referring to the lack of channel selector and the 2nd parameter is the same dial as for effect select? Not handy... Otherwise ,sure they added much more stuff to the pads ,including effects...
SO.. The VFX-1 is always your best friend...
xD
MELLOHYPE 10:23 PM - 22 March, 2012
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i love it already

so whats the release date so i can replace this 2 year old right platter/channel chipping out issue having vci 300 mk1 i have now?

cause i'm not sure how much longer i can go with a fucked up right channel..especially after i've already replaced the crossfader and the usb port.

vestax need to drop a date so i can properly budget.


thanks

mid april they are saying
skratchworx 3:03 PM - 23 March, 2012
Fresh from Musikmesse - djworx.com

And some hi res pics: www.flickr.com
WarpNote 3:10 PM - 23 March, 2012
Nice work Gizmo!
Would be even nicer if you had lightbox style popups of the highres images,
directly on your new & fancy web site :D
skratchworx 3:19 PM - 23 March, 2012
Yes it would. On the upgrade list.
WarpNote 3:26 PM - 23 March, 2012
:D
Eric N 3:28 PM - 23 March, 2012
Quote:
Is it just me....or did anyone else realize that the vci380 doesn't say itch. all other itch controllers say itch on them! the vci-380 just says serato! is there a possibility of upgrading itch to scratch live or another serato program??


The new 61 and 62 mixers also don't say Scratch Live on them - just Serato. Looks like unified branding but that's probably just marketing... although I would love for Itch and SSL to merge, I don't see it happening.
Dj Nyce 3:31 PM - 23 March, 2012
does it still have the sensitivity on the rear and the platter torque on the sides?
Joee 3:48 PM - 23 March, 2012
Quote:
does it still have the sensitivity on the rear and the platter torque on the sides?

it's in the front left corner, zoom in on the pic, i think the plater is still on the side

www.vestax.com
[O/][iii][O/] 3:55 PM - 23 March, 2012
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Quote:
does it still have the sensitivity on the rear and the platter torque on the sides?

it's in the front left corner, zoom in on the pic, i think the plater is still on the side

www.vestax.com


Actually, the platter torque is now in the center of the platters. Zoom in and look closely at this hi-rez pic: www.digitaldjtips.com
[O/][iii][O/] 3:56 PM - 23 March, 2012
^^^ Torque was wrong word since there's no motor. Should have said resistance.
Dj Nyce 4:48 PM - 23 March, 2012
Just saw that. Nyce. My gripe with the old method was that there wasn't a visual indicator of how tight or loose you had it set to. Also when taking it in/out of a bag it always had a tendency to move.

This new design fixes both of those issues.
djallstyle 7:03 PM - 23 March, 2012
I'm on my way to pre order!!!! Dammit!! "Sexual Chocolate, Sexual Chocolate"
This has become a must have for me. I really hope there are some decent sofware upgrades otw... Bridge for Itch primarily. This is like an Akai mpc mixed w/a vci 300... If Itch offered sequencing or let you use it as a Vst???? FLAWLESS....
Dj Ace 6:24 AM - 25 March, 2012
More like a vci fused with a twitch controller...
signs 10:51 AM - 25 March, 2012
had a look at it yesterday. Looks great. wasn't able to touch it. But Looks really great!
djallstyle 2:27 PM - 25 March, 2012
Quote:
had a look at it yesterday. Looks great. wasn't able to touch it. But Looks really great!


That's what's up! I can't wait to get mine... I wish they would give an actual release date.
Maskrider 12:47 AM - 26 March, 2012
We all are getting excited about the the release date.
Underground 5:49 AM - 26 March, 2012
I know this question is a bit premature but..

Does anyone think for the sampler/slicer to work I'll need to Beatgrid my tracks?
Dj Ace 6:28 AM - 26 March, 2012
Yes
Underground 12:28 PM - 26 March, 2012
Ah bugger!

Thanks, you've just saved me £700
DJ Xio 6:51 PM - 26 March, 2012
lol.. beatgridding takes 2 secs... You are not warping in live!!!
nik39 6:58 PM - 26 March, 2012
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Yes

If you are just firing unsynced samples, then you don't need any beatgrid.
DeeJay Image 7:10 PM - 26 March, 2012
Is it me... or is the Master Tempo missing? looking at the photos on www.flickr.com that ScratchWorxx posted, I don't see it....
dj_eddie_gr 7:13 PM - 26 March, 2012
It's called "KEY LOCK" - shift+RANGE ;)
[O/][iii][O/] 7:24 PM - 26 March, 2012
Since I still don't see any beatgrid controls (eg: set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off), I certainly hope that is still yet to be explained. That would royally suck having to perform those tasks on the computer and not form the controller.
Papa Midnight 2:12 AM - 27 March, 2012
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lol.. beatgridding takes 2 secs... You are not warping in live!!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Beatgrid this, then tell me how it took you only 2 seconds :P
Underground 10:03 AM - 27 March, 2012
Quote:
lol.. beatgridding takes 2 secs... You are not warping in live!!!


I play a lot of old skool funk which isn't always easy. Also as strange as it sound I like to tweak the jog wheels as I feel more involved in the mix.
DJDeluchi 12:54 PM - 27 March, 2012
West end Dj store in the UK is now quoting a price of £599 for this not to bad really would have loved to have seen it at £499 to be honest or £549
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:21 PM - 27 March, 2012
Like all itch stuff it will go down in few months time. But still not bad price really. Think i will be getting this for defo.
djcerla 1:35 PM - 27 March, 2012
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Like all digital DJ stuff it will go down in few months time.


Fixed ;)
DJ dVO 5:38 PM - 27 March, 2012
Does anyone know if there is a case (soft or hard) made for it and is available at release date as well?
Eric N 5:44 PM - 27 March, 2012
I just hope the platter design is different all around. My first one had platter issues, I sent it in, got another that was totally DOA, then finally got them to send me a MK2. This one had been working fine since I got it, now the left platter is sometimes unresponsive or doesn't pick up unless you push down way too hard. :( I should also mention that I have maybe used it 5 times in the year that I've had it - and it's been safe in my room all of the rest of the time. Way too few hours on it for this to be happening again.

Yes, I know there are home-fix solutions for this, but I'm not about to buy a 380 if it's gonna have the same issues.
Joee 7:09 PM - 27 March, 2012
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Does anyone know if there is a case (soft or hard) made for it and is available at release date as well?

it's the same size as the vci 300mk2 no?
Eric N 7:12 PM - 27 March, 2012
It's bigger. It looks the same in pics, but it's actually taller, wider, and deeper.
dj_eddie_gr 7:36 PM - 27 March, 2012
It's a little bit smaller than the VCI-400
WarpNote 7:48 PM - 27 March, 2012
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Gizmo wrote that the new platters are 5 1/3 ie 135mm, and the old ones are 115mm right? So I'm "photoshop-guessing" something along these lines:
www.flickr.com (overlay) www.flickr.com (side by side)
DJ MDX 7:52 PM - 27 March, 2012
If you are correct that just may fit in a Xone:DX slider flight case :?:
WarpNote 7:54 PM - 27 March, 2012
www.vestax.com
Size: 427(W)x304(D)x60(H)mm (knobs included)
Weight:3.5kg
DJ MDX 8:08 PM - 27 March, 2012
Nah, its still bigger:

VCI-380: Size: 427(W) x 304(D) x60 (H)mm (knobs included
Xone:DX; Size: 401.32(W)x 325.12(D) X 50.8 (H)

I did a quick conversion on DX - so please check my math - actual dimmension in inches:
15.8"(W) x 2.0"(H) x 12.8"(D) (add 1.5 inches to depth for the rear plugs and knobs on the front, so closer to 14.3")
dj_eddie_gr 11:05 AM - 28 March, 2012
Can anyone tell me if the effects on this unit are post fader (like pioneer mixers) or pre fader? I'm used to use the echo a lot and do some fills witch they can't be done with pre faders.
Dj Nyce 2:58 PM - 28 March, 2012
there are no effects built into the unit. the effect controls you see are to control what's available in itch. itch effects are post fader.
dj_eddie_gr 9:37 PM - 28 March, 2012
I was meaning those effects... Anyway that's what I wanted to hear :) I tried Serato Intro for my VCI-400 and the effects there are pre fader?
djransom 3:30 AM - 29 March, 2012
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Does anyone know if there is a case (soft or hard) made for it and is available at release date as well?


I'm sure Decksaver will make one.
djallstyle 4:50 AM - 29 March, 2012
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Does anyone know if there is a case (soft or hard) made for it and is available at release date as well?


I'm sure Decksaver will make one.


I believe they will too.
J.J. 5:50 PM - 29 March, 2012
On the Vestax VCI-380, how do you Loop In, Loop Out, Loop On/Off, Reloop, Next/Previous Loop?

I will sale my VCI-400SE, NS6, Kontrol S4 if you can control the loops. At least activate On/Off a previous saved loop.
DJ MDX 6:09 PM - 29 March, 2012
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On the Vestax VCI-380, how do you Loop In, Loop Out, Loop On/Off, Reloop, Next/Previous Loop?...


The 2 x 8 banks of FSR trigger pads on the VCI-380 are jam packed with creative Performance Modes such as the Slicer, Roll, Sampler, Loop, Hot Cue and Pad FX. With the given features you can trigger cue points, samples, loops, slice up beats, and shoot off Pad FX together.
phatbob 6:13 PM - 29 March, 2012
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On the Vestax VCI-380, how do you Loop In, Loop Out, Loop On/Off, Reloop, Next/Previous Loop?

I will sale my VCI-400SE, NS6, Kontrol S4 if you can control the loops. At least activate On/Off a previous saved loop.


What do you mean? Saved loops can be activated with the NS6, surely.
J.J. 6:30 PM - 29 March, 2012
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The 2 x 8 banks of FSR trigger pads on the VCI-380 are jam packed with creative Performance Modes such as the Slicer, Roll, Sampler, Loop, Hot Cue and Pad FX. With the given features you can trigger cue points, samples, loops, slice up beats, and shoot off Pad FX together.

Look at the picture. I realize you can trigger instant loops and rolls, but how do you turn a loop On/Off? How do you go to the next loop? How do you do a manual Loop In/Out?

By the way, how is prodjforums.com doing? I haven't been there in a while.

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What do you mean? Saved loops can be activated with the NS6, surely.

They can on the NS6. I will sale the NS6 if the VCI-380 offers this.
DJ MDX 6:44 PM - 29 March, 2012
I would imagine in that particular performance mode that pads would change for certain parts to corresponde to those actions - afterall, there are 8 of them. The parameter knobs could also act as next/previuos/skip. Shift should also come into play for some features as well as the back/forward buttons in the middle.

This is an assumption but a logical one to me ;-)

www.prodjforums.com is doing good - thanks for asking!
Solidsnake 6:13 PM - 30 March, 2012
You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH
DJdaveZ 12:28 AM - 31 March, 2012
nobody knows the answer to how....... its not out yet.
djcerla 8:36 AM - 31 March, 2012
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You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH


Don't assume too much ;)
Solidsnake 7:06 PM - 31 March, 2012
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You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH


Don't assume too much ;)


Would be a shame if they don't include something to control that. It's not like Scratch Live where you can scroll through the saved loops with the mouse (unless I'm missing something here).
DJ I.O 7:18 PM - 31 March, 2012
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You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH


Don't assume too much ;)


Would be a shame if they don't include something to control that. It's not like Scratch Live where you can scroll through the saved loops with the mouse (unless I'm missing something here).

isn't there a loop mode... I'm assuming 8 pads so that four in/out controls for loops
dj lashes 7:31 PM - 31 March, 2012
i think it safe to say that the loops will be there with some way to use them from the vci380 serato are not that crazy there be an arising from all sides dj frenzy million dj march.
Solidsnake 7:38 PM - 31 March, 2012
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You can control up to 3 loops on the VCI-300 so I'd assume Vestax would keep this feature on the VCI-380 w/ ITCH


Don't assume too much ;)


Would be a shame if they don't include something to control that. It's not like Scratch Live where you can scroll through the saved loops with the mouse (unless I'm missing something here).

isn't there a loop mode... I'm assuming 8 pads so that four in/out controls for loops


I'm not talking about Auto Loops I'm talking about saved loops. Do a lot of funk/hip-hop mashups and I need to be able to turn the loops on and off during the breaks and whatnot.
DJdaveZ 7:57 PM - 31 March, 2012
what I'm guessing is (see the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the pads) 5 saved cue/'loop in' spots and another pad to trigger the loop out on or off
dj lashes 8:18 PM - 31 March, 2012
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what I'm guessing is (see the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the pads) 5 saved cue/'loop in' spots and another pad to trigger the loop out on or off

yeah that could be
DJ_Grover 2:16 AM - 1 April, 2012
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My VCI-300mk2 has now found worthy replacement.


Message me if you would like to sell your VCI 300 :)
DJred24 5:08 AM - 1 April, 2012
U can pick up mk2 all day long used. To bad they still want $450 used when new only $500.

Seriously the xlr out alone is worth the wait. I thoroughly love my Vci, but audio out was way low with out signal boost.

Will patiently wait for this one .. Even then I will wait for the reviews, and hands on approach to how to plays
Dj Fitty 3:13 PM - 1 April, 2012
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U can pick up mk2 all day long used. To bad they still want $450 used when new only $500.

Seriously the xlr out alone is worth the wait. I thoroughly love my Vci, but audio out was way low with out signal boost.

Will patiently wait for this one .. Even then I will wait for the reviews, and hands on approach to how to plays

+1
Djkom 10:23 PM - 4 April, 2012
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what I'm guessing is (see the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the pads) 5 saved cue/'loop in' spots and another pad to trigger the loop out on or off


The green numbers are for SP6 triggers...but as you mean I hope it will possible to handle saved loops by clicking on SHIFT+AUTO LOOP to enter LOOP mode (saved loops) then clicking pad number to trigger the according saved loop number
Djkom 10:29 PM - 4 April, 2012
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...but as you mean I hope it will possible to handle saved loops by clicking on SHIFT+AUTO LOOP to enter LOOP mode (saved loops) then clicking pad number to trigger the according saved loop number


...Or double clik on LOOP LOOP like for Novation Twich...
dj_eddie_gr 5:09 PM - 5 April, 2012
It would be cool though ,to have pads 5 & 6 for manual loop in & out. Manual looping is very handy (without the use of the keyboard)...
benictrs 5:16 PM - 5 April, 2012
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It would be cool though ,to have pads 5 & 6 for manual loop in & out. Manual looping is very handy (without the use of the keyboard)...


i believe for some the lack of manual looping would be a deal breaker myself included :( , i love that the ns6 has them both (auto/manual looping) leaving the user to decide witch one to use .
WarpNote 5:17 PM - 5 April, 2012
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i believe for some the lack of manual looping would be a deal breaker myself included

+1
J.J. 6:11 PM - 5 April, 2012
If I was Vestax, this is how I would do it.

Shift + Auto Loop would go into Manual Loop Mode. I would prefer a Double Push on Auto Loop to go into manual mode with the pads changing a different color for feedback. If you look closely, you can see the 7 pad has PREV (in green) and the 8 pad has NEXT. Is this for the 4 banks in SAMPLER like SSL? www.digitaldjtips.com

___SAMPLER_______________MANUAL_____________
|__HOT CUE__| |__SLICER_| |_AUTO LOOP_| |__ROLL___|
.______________________________________________.
(_________________PARAMETER___________________)

|__LOOP IN__| |_LOOP OUT_| |__RELOOP__| |__SELECT__|

|__ON/OFF__| |_AUTO LOOP_| |___1/2 X___| |____2 X____|

Like the NS6, SELECT will select the next LOOP. While looping, pushing LOOP OUT would allow you to adjust the LOOPS OUT POINT with the PARAMETER. SHIFT + PAD 1 would play the first loop and turn it ON. SHIFT + PAD 2 would play the second loop and turn it ON etc.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:49 PM - 6 April, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com

can someone translate? lol
DeeJay Galaga 11:27 PM - 6 April, 2012
Now if they could somehow marry this to my NS7 with Motorized Platters -- Heaven.
benictrs 3:20 AM - 7 April, 2012
my french isn't the best but from what i understand there is nothing you don't know from other reviews , i believe that the people who do this hands on reviews are prohibited to do a review wich would put the controler in a bad light, they only mention the good side of the story and say nothing about the bad side , like for example the booth, mic gain , . . . . beeing on the back side of the machine ,the manual loop option?? and so on. I have not seen one reviewer noticing this :((
phatbob 9:34 AM - 7 April, 2012
It's because nobody outside of Vestax has even seen it running yet. That guy and DJWorx have only got a 'hands-on' with a unit which isn't connected.

I would imagine that's because with 2.2 and SV coming out in recent weeks, Serato didn't have a version of Itch built for it by Musikmesse.
benictrs 3:09 PM - 7 April, 2012
I ment in general also like an example when Ean Golden made the hands on review of the vci400 didn't mention anything about the mic gains being on the back of the unit , just saying it's al about selling the unit and highlighting the good and saying nothing about the bad
Maskrider 9:40 PM - 7 April, 2012
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I ment in general also like an example when Ean Golden made the hands on review of the vci400 didn't mention anything about the mic gains being on the back of the unit , just saying it's al about selling the unit and highlighting the good and saying nothing about the bad


If that's the case that's not a Review.
kraal 4:08 PM - 8 April, 2012
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I ment in general also like an example when Ean Golden made the hands on review of the vci400 didn't mention anything about the mic gains being on the back of the unit , just saying it's al about selling the unit and highlighting the good and saying nothing about the bad

actually i have seen ean golden point out flaws on other controllers... i think it has more to do with what the reviewer uses. if he doesn't use the mic he may never see why it being on the back or front matters
WarpNote 6:10 AM - 9 April, 2012
Still a conflict of interest when a retailer test their own products IMO.
DTHUSTLA 8:12 AM - 9 April, 2012
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Serato does not make the controllers ;)
Serato makes the software. Pioneer, Vestax, Novation, Rane etc etc makes the controllers/mixers Its up to the controller manufacturer to chose what software to use with their product. This is how I perceive the whole deal.

all true but the main issue is you get features based on the controller you choose. so at some point you either may og got the wrong controller. or the feature you want just isnt in the controller that is right for you


GIVE THIS MAN A BEER! +1000000000

Nothing else needs to be said... All that Serato needs to do is right here in this post...
DTHUSTLA 8:13 AM - 9 April, 2012
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Serato does not make the controllers ;)
Serato makes the software. Pioneer, Vestax, Novation, Rane etc etc makes the controllers/mixers Its up to the controller manufacturer to chose what software to use with their product. This is how I perceive the whole deal.

all true but the main issue is you get features based on the controller you choose. so at some point you either may og got the wrong controller. or the feature you want just isnt in the controller that is right for you


GIVE THIS MAN A BEER! +1000000000

Nothing else needs to be said... All that Serato needs to do is right here in this post...
ZackDarling 1:16 AM - 21 April, 2012
I just put my NS6 on Craigslist and am going to use my VCI-300 until The 380 comes out. NS6 has been really glitchy and not nearly as stable as the Vestax for me. Even though the 380 is a 2-channel unit, I can still run my turntables into it, which is all I wanted with the NS6 anyway.

Question: Does anyone know where to find some good replacement fader knobs for the VCI-300? I think the grey plastic ones on the VCI-300 and the VCI-380 make the unit look cheap.

Has anyone heard anything other than "Spring 2012" for release date? Are there any stores taking pre-orders? I can't friggin' wait!
Maskrider 1:47 AM - 21 April, 2012
Try going to Djtechtools they are selling knobs for controllers at that site.
Djkom 12:52 PM - 21 April, 2012
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Has anyone heard anything other than "Spring 2012" for release date? Are there any stores taking pre-orders? I can't friggin' wait!


According to Vestax France, the units are coming in May! Some pre released packages have aldready been sent, there is also a video in youtube about that ;)
Djkom 2:10 PM - 21 April, 2012
Djkom 2:54 PM - 21 April, 2012
Brian J 4:25 AM - 22 April, 2012
Holy shhhhh... Now I have to buy one!
dj lashes 5:58 AM - 22 April, 2012

at 2min:40secs is he says about it working with scratch live and near the start with a few other software so with this vci-380 the bridge will work or???
thebulge 7:54 AM - 22 April, 2012
He means you can use it as an analogue mixer and then plug in whatever DVS you'd like to it.

Vinyl control in ITCH would be great as an option on this unit. Plug into decks where available, but use platters when on mobile gigs.

But don't get your hopes up... ever.
DJDeluchi 1:57 PM - 22 April, 2012


on the second video he says sample decks? is there something we dont know yet? i think its was just a sp6 from scratch live not a sample deck like traktor
serkan 7:46 AM - 23 April, 2012
It's just words. He says sample deck doesn't mean he means sample decks.
I think he meant the SP6.
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:24 AM - 23 April, 2012
The sp6 is a sample deck 6 of them with 4 banks what you on about???
Brian J 2:34 PM - 23 April, 2012
You know what... The more I read about the 380 the more I get excited! Finally a controller to rule them all! I just wish it was bus powered. Anyway.. Features aside, I think serato&partners are starting to milk the cows a little too much! How long before they release the bridge or a controller that works with serato video? The bottom line that, like somebody said before, we will always have to buy a new controller in order to use new features. Sad but true:-(

C'mon serato! Bring midi to itch!
spicaly 2:47 PM - 23 April, 2012
I dont mind the power via AC adapter, just coming from the mindset of having to plug in two turntables and a mixer now so one power plug is better than three
djcerla 3:02 PM - 23 April, 2012
Is it just me or the Traktor S4 now looks like a dusty old boot from 1978?
yeahdef 3:38 PM - 23 April, 2012
DJ CAPRO 5:34 PM - 23 April, 2012
love the scumbag steve hat haha

wish they used interesting music in any of these videos tbh
serkan 7:03 PM - 23 April, 2012
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Is it just me or the Traktor S4 now looks like a dusty old boot from 1978?

It is just you because it looked like that before ;)
DJ MDX 7:38 PM - 23 April, 2012
DJDeluchi 1:24 AM - 24 April, 2012
june 20th release according to one of the biggest gear sites in europe
dj_eddie_gr 7:56 AM - 24 April, 2012
7/5/12 according to Musicstore ;)
Maskrider 1:21 PM - 24 April, 2012
why the hell they keep pushing the release date.
benictrs 1:47 PM - 24 April, 2012
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why the hell they keep pushing the release date.

prehaps it's buggy ?? or the software isn't ready ? or . . . ? or . . . ?
spicaly 2:40 PM - 24 April, 2012
hopefully agiprodj is right, showing shipping may 15th
ZackDarling 6:43 PM - 24 April, 2012
I just talked with the owners of my local DJ store (in Northern California) and they said that although the VCI-380 will be released in mid-late May, we won't actually be able to buy them in stores in the US until late September. Apparently the release date is for Europe, not the States.

Can anyone confirm if this is true?
dj_eddie_gr 7:25 PM - 24 April, 2012
same as VCI-400...
Djkom 7:42 PM - 24 April, 2012
From Vestax France:

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJDeluchi 11:30 PM - 24 April, 2012
www.thomann.de

thats where i got the release date from im guessing as soon as they arrive they can sell them
DJDeluchi 11:33 PM - 24 April, 2012
i hope it is sooner as i want to dump the decks and jump on the controllerist movement
dj lashes 12:05 AM - 25 April, 2012
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i hope it is sooner as i want to dump the decks and jump on the controllerist movement

your gonna be a happy man when you make the change what you gonna use pc or mac?
dj lashes 12:06 AM - 25 April, 2012
i see already mac cool
Maskrider 2:10 AM - 25 April, 2012
I already have a buyer for my VCI-300 I told my friend to wait until I get a replacement now he has to wait too......lol
J.J. 5:24 AM - 25 April, 2012
There's no Loop IN/OUT (manual loop) as of now, the VCI-380 only triggers AUTO LOOP in lengths of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. In addition, you can save 8 auto loops in one track, which work as loop on/off. -Vestax
serkan 7:51 AM - 25 April, 2012
benictrs 10:55 AM - 25 April, 2012
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There's no Loop IN/OUT (manual loop) as of now, the VCI-380 only triggers AUTO LOOP in lengths of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. In addition, you can save 8 auto loops in one track, which work as loop on/off. -Vestax

Realy ? why ? it is kind of dum i play allot of old school and serato itch gets the wrong bpm after scaning , alsoo the beadgrid is never corect so i use mostly the manual loop function on my ns6 , i was tempted to purchase the vci 380 but this is just frustratingly dum on vestax/serato part you espect that the user who payed 800euro for a 2ch midi controler to use his/her keyboart for manual looping ???
phatbob 11:17 AM - 25 April, 2012
I can see how that might be frustrating, but if you take the time to correct the beatgrids manually it pays off not only for autolooping, but also for beat linked effects. I think it's worth doing.
DJDeluchi 2:16 PM - 25 April, 2012
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i hope it is sooner as i want to dump the decks and jump on the controllerist movement

your gonna be a happy man when you make the change what you gonna use pc or mac?


im mac my friend i love my ttm 57 and my 1210's but its time to reduce the load and have a all in one that i can throw in a back pack and just do my thing
NicoboxFR 2:34 PM - 25 April, 2012
got mine ordered from www.lookat.com. Bought monday, should be there by friday according to Fedex. Shipped from Spain to France.
i didn't heard of Lookat before but checked customer feedback. there were positive.
One more thing : Lokkat got it at cheapest europe price...

i already know i will miss the manual loop with the great ability to pre-trigger the loop... Anyway, the needle LED is such a great thing, i may forget manual loops fast (hope so !)
spicaly 2:44 PM - 25 April, 2012
do you have a link to the product page on lookat.com, i cant find it
NicoboxFR 2:46 PM - 25 April, 2012
uk.lookat.com

seems that it's now out of stock !
i may had one of the first available.
Sorry for the bad news.
phatbob 2:51 PM - 25 April, 2012
If that turns up any time before anyone else's I will eat my shoes.
phatbob 2:52 PM - 25 April, 2012
Bet they charged your card already too.
NicoboxFR 2:52 PM - 25 April, 2012
i hope to get genuine vci-380 and no fake stuff :-)
answer on friday
NicoboxFR 2:53 PM - 25 April, 2012
charged and shipped. Fedex confirmed.
DJ MDX 2:55 PM - 25 April, 2012
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If that turns up any time before anyone else's I will eat my shoes.


LMAO - Sounds like a YouTube clip ;-)
NicoboxFR 3:06 PM - 25 April, 2012
will send picts or vids as soon as possible...
Maskrider 12:20 AM - 26 April, 2012
This is ridiculous..
DJDeluchi 3:08 AM - 26 April, 2012
lookat head office is about 10 minutes from where im heading this weekend for a quick weekend get away in spain i will head to there office's and see if there legit
DJDeluchi 3:10 AM - 26 April, 2012
Looking into them heavily as im picking the vci up from them if this guy gets his early then i will just pray the new itch drops soon lol

they seem legit enough so far

www.ekomi.co.uk
DJDeluchi 3:12 AM - 26 April, 2012
they also have small but notible presence on facebook and twitter but only time will tell
Maskrider 4:27 AM - 26 April, 2012
lol......We really need a word from Vestax to get the real Story.
phatbob 6:56 AM - 26 April, 2012
I'm not suggesting that company are scammers, they look legit.

But I also don't believe they have a worldwide exclusive on the 380 a month before everyone else.
NicoboxFR 8:14 AM - 26 April, 2012
Lookat shipped the vci for real. here is fedex tracking state :
"Service type INTL Economy
Weight 4.0 kg/8.8 lbs"
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"Apr 26, 2012 2:24 AM
At local FedEx facility
PARIS FR"
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"Apr 25, 2012 5:51 PM
In transit
BARCELONA ES"

at least we can say Lookat is shipping products... i hope they won't ship me a brick or something that weight ! i guess they had very few item since it's now out of stock; maybe i got the only one. I hope not to get a pre-release or demo one.

Wait and see. Should hit my dorr by friday. i'll keep you guys posted !
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:47 AM - 26 April, 2012
Be funny if it comes and no itch software lol. Where i have mine on pre order still says june they say was ment tobe may but serato were late on the software.
Which sounds about rite lol.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 10:27 AM - 26 April, 2012
Hi everyone,
The release date of the VCI-380 is around the corner, as Vestax and Serato are under beta testing Itch.
Although The VCI-380 is not released yet, our local distributors are now shipped with units, in order to make the global release to happen everywhere on the same date.

It seems that one of our distributors crossed the line and shipped to that store. From our sources only one single unit was shipped to a end user, with which I already contacted personnaly (hi Nicobox!).
We are now managing to stop this unfortunate situation by contacting this spanish dealer, whitch was not supposed to recieve any unit from the spannish distributor.
We are sorry for the bit of confusion it brought on the forum...
The release date for the VCI-380 and Itch is still planned by early June.

Cheers,
phatbob 11:13 AM - 26 April, 2012
Phew... For a minute there I was eyeing up my sneakers trying to work out which pair would be tastiest... ;-)
DJ MDX 3:22 PM - 26 April, 2012
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Phew... For a minute there I was eyeing up my sneakers trying to work out which pair would be tastiest... ;-)


I was waiting for this response....lmao, but a good sport about it....
DJDeluchi 5:05 PM - 26 April, 2012
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Hi everyone,
The release date of the VCI-380 is around the corner, as Vestax and Serato are under beta testing Itch.
Although The VCI-380 is not released yet, our local distributors are now shipped with units, in order to make the global release to happen everywhere on the same date.

It seems that one of our distributors crossed the line and shipped to that store. From our sources only one single unit was shipped to a end user, with which I already contacted personnaly (hi Nicobox!).
We are now managing to stop this unfortunate situation by contacting this spanish dealer, whitch was not supposed to recieve any unit from the spannish distributor.
We are sorry for the bit of confusion it brought on the forum...
The release date for the VCI-380 and Itch is still planned by early June.

Cheers,


if the controllers are ready why dont you just ship them out and let us decided what we do with them i wouldnt mind seeing if the controller works elsewhere before itch comes out anyway i will use itch but its always nice to have options
phatbob 5:19 PM - 26 April, 2012
That would be crazy.

Not everyone reads this forum, and so without Itch usable on the 380 a large majority of initial buyers would have a terrible 'out-of-the-box' experience. Not exactly the kind of buzz you would want around your flagship new product.
DJDeluchi 5:51 PM - 26 April, 2012
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That would be crazy.

Not everyone reads this forum, and so without Itch usable on the 380 a large majority of initial buyers would have a terrible 'out-of-the-box' experience. Not exactly the kind of buzz you would want around your flagship new product.



every product i have every brought has had masses of literature saying do this and do that it would'nt be so hard to slip a piece of paper in the box saying visit serato.com to download you version of itch when available
DJ_X_Trodinaire 7:08 PM - 26 April, 2012
^^ look what happened with people that purchased the vci400.

They were not very happy with intro
Maskrider 8:31 PM - 26 April, 2012
I'm Glad somebody From VESTAX chimed on this one......Can we get free stickers as well while we wait.
DJ I.O 9:58 PM - 26 April, 2012
I spoke to someone at Sweetwater and they told me the VCI380 is gonna debut at$999.99(American dollars) was the retail street price and that its list $1,399.99 on the 1st week of june. oh boy I hope its cheaper and earlier. a June date gives me time to save up but I want to have this before the summer bcuz I know they will be a lot of parties. I think sweetwater is off but we'll see.
thebeatworx 10:12 PM - 26 April, 2012
Quote:
That would be crazy.

Not everyone reads this forum, and so without Itch usable on the 380 a large majority of initial buyers would have a terrible 'out-of-the-box' experience. Not exactly the kind of buzz you would want around your flagship new product.


Ahem... sorta like the VCI-400... lol
Mike Sinclair 6:37 PM - 27 April, 2012
I pre-ordered one at Sweetwater. I was also told early June. Man, I hope it ships a little earlier. I can't wait. I currently have a Rane MP25 mixer and a Denon DN-HC5000 as my ITCH controller. Together, they weigh around 20 pounds. To be able to replace both units with a VCI 380 (at around 8 pounds) will be wonderful for my back! I've never used a Vestax product before, but everyone seems to love the 300 and this looks to be a nice step up from that unit. I am "old school" in that I use a 19" DJ cabinet, so the optional rackmount kit was the icing on the cake in me deciding I want one of these. If anyone at Vestax reads this: Where and when can I purchase the rackmount kit and how much will that cost?
benictrs 3:54 AM - 28 April, 2012
i'm in the same team with "mike sinclair"my back hurts from the ns6 i hope vci 380 launches like now, i have my ns6 for the private events where i need the mic inputs and the 4 chanels but i personaly can't wait for the vci380, the only problem i see is the manual loop isue
DJ CAPRO 6:39 AM - 28 April, 2012
Until somebody can post some display of skills comparable to this video with a VCI-300 that's where I'm staying put... All the stupid 380 videos with brainless beats I've seen so far don't impress. Somebody touch the jogwheel. Just sayin.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Mike Sinclair 12:33 PM - 28 April, 2012
Quote:
i'm in the same team with "mike sinclair"my back hurts from the ns6 i hope vci 380 launches like now, i have my ns6 for the private events where i need the mic inputs and the 4 chanels but i personaly can't wait for the vci380, the only problem i see is the manual loop isue


I've heard that the VCI 300 has Mic issues. Do you guys think the 380 mic inputs will be better since it's a standalone mixer too? I need my Mics to sound good.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:58 PM - 28 April, 2012
benictrs 2:23 PM - 28 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
i'm in the same team with "mike sinclair"my back hurts from the ns6 i hope vci 380 launches like now, i have my ns6 for the private events where i need the mic inputs and the 4 chanels but i personaly can't wait for the vci380, the only problem i see is the manual loop isue


I've heard that the VCI 300 has Mic issues. Do you guys think the 380 mic inputs will be better since it's a standalone mixer too? I need my Mics to sound good.



Sincerely i believe that the Mic's on the vci380 will sound good or bad depending on the microphone youre using. You don't have any eq's on the mic channels only the trim's so it's up to the mic's and the tone of your voice .
DJ CAPRO 5:28 PM - 28 April, 2012
^ it's a latency delay problem on the 300

a workaround for those interested is to go in the THRU RCA on the back with a mic and a 1/4" or XLR to RCA adaptor
Dj Fitty 6:09 PM - 28 April, 2012
Quote:
^ it's a latency delay problem on the 300

a workaround for those interested is to go in the THRU RCA on the back with a mic and a 1/4" or XLR to RCA adaptor


That problem was fixed with the mkii model
DJ freestylefrenzy 6:18 PM - 28 April, 2012
ive been a vestax user for years...and now that I live in Japan I usually get to see new gear from vestax and pioneer and the reps are usually cool...

I just sold my vci 300 which was very very good to me...and I just put in my order for the vci 380..glad I held off from the vci 400...

interesting enough the vci 380 here in japan is 69800 yen which is equivalent to about 850 Canadian dollars...

when the vci 300 got released I ordered the custom white which was about the same 70000 yen..

once I get the unit Ill post pics!!!hope an innofader fits..
I installed one in my vci 300 and the cutting was extremely sharp...

I wonder how the CFX feel? anyone had the pleasure to try a CFX and innofader on the vci 300..which is better?
DJ CAPRO 7:15 PM - 28 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
^ it's a latency delay problem on the 300

a workaround for those interested is to go in the THRU RCA on the back with a mic and a 1/4" or XLR to RCA adaptor


That problem was fixed with the mkii model


I have the MKII and about an 30 mins to an hour into your set your mic starts building latency... Luckily I've only needed my mic for one gig for a friends wedding, but it was very difficult to use.
nick.m 6:00 AM - 1 May, 2012
One hopeful thing I hope Vestax does is put a little touch on the power adapter. Make it plug in real nice, not sloppy like most of the "L" shaped plugs. Those move around and fuck with shit more IMO. If it plug was straight and had protection around it, this would add a nice touch, and a profesional polish.
benictrs 9:22 AM - 2 May, 2012
Quote:
One hopeful thing I hope Vestax does is put a little touch on the power adapter. Make it plug in real nice, not sloppy like most of the "L" shaped plugs. Those move around and fuck with shit more IMO. If it plug was straight and had protection around it, this would add a nice touch, and a profesional polish.

alsoo the usb plug to be one of good quality not wabbly like on the ns6
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:58 PM - 2 May, 2012
Quote:
Lookat shipped the vci for real. here is fedex tracking state :
"Service type INTL Economy
Weight 4.0 kg/8.8 lbs"
---
"Apr 26, 2012 2:24 AM
At local FedEx facility
PARIS FR"
---
"Apr 25, 2012 5:51 PM
In transit
BARCELONA ES"

at least we can say Lookat is shipping products... i hope they won't ship me a brick or something that weight ! i guess they had very few item since it's now out of stock; maybe i got the only one. I hope not to get a pre-release or demo one.

Wait and see. Should hit my dorr by friday. i'll keep you guys posted !




Sooo...NicoboxFR.... did you get your VCI???? :)
Mike Sinclair 10:07 AM - 4 May, 2012
It's too bad the 380 doesn't provide EQ for the Mic inputs. Is there a little microphone equalizer I could buy? I can't do a 19" as my cabinet is full... I would need a small box style unit that I could just throw in the bottom of my cabinet.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:48 AM - 4 May, 2012
im sure ther
Quote:
It's too bad the 380 doesn't provide EQ for the Mic inputs. Is there a little microphone equalizer I could buy? I can't do a 19" as my cabinet is full... I would need a small box style unit that I could just throw in the bottom of my cabinet.


something like this?
www.audubonstrings.com
Kinda pricey but im sure there are other compatible ones.
spicaly 12:45 PM - 4 May, 2012
Quote:
It's too bad the 380 doesn't provide EQ for the Mic inputs. Is there a little microphone equalizer I could buy? I can't do a 19" as my cabinet is full... I would need a small box style unit that I could just throw in the bottom of my cabinet.


my buddy uses something simliar to this

www.zzounds.com
ZackDarling 9:49 PM - 4 May, 2012
Is it just me, or does it look like the VCI-380 is incapable of adding multiple effects to one channel? It seems you only have one effect scroller per channel and no way to combine them.

I'd be bummed if this is true. The VFX-1, DD-S1, NS6 all allow you this level of channel control with your effects, I can't see why the VCI-180 wouldn't. The Novation Twitch even allows you to combine 3 layers of effects on one channel.

Am I missing something?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:30 PM - 5 May, 2012
more vids

Watchwww.youtube.com
Quote:
Is it just me, or does it look like the VCI-380 is incapable of adding multiple effects to one channel? It seems you only have one effect scroller per channel and no way to combine them.


Is this what you are looking for? seems like you can layer 2 effects at one time? Watch around 47 sec
www.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:30 PM - 5 May, 2012
[O/][iii][O/] 5:38 PM - 5 May, 2012
Does anyone happen to know if stored loops can be engaged on the VCI-380 WITHOUT automatically jumping to them like a stored cue point? For some bizarre reason the Twitch controller behaved this way and there was no way around it (other than getting rid of Twitch of course which is what we did).
phatbob 1:35 AM - 6 May, 2012
AFAIK that's currently the behaviour across the whole range of Itch controllers.

I don't honestly recall anyone on the forum ever saying they like that behaviour. It's a pain in the ass, and another of those little annoying differences to Scratch Live.

Hope they change it sometime.
J.J. 3:46 PM - 7 May, 2012
I will not buy the VCI-380 if you cannot activate a previous saved loop. How silly can Vestax and Serato really be. I know they are trying to simplify things but WOW. Do manufactures think we don't need this? Do they think that all DJ's will do is activate a Loop on the fly. If that's the case, then why offer stored Cue points if all we'll do is create them on the fly. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

It's not across the whole range of Itch controllers.

On the NS6, you can of course engage a cue with a loop tied to it. However, you can also scroll through and active each of the 9 loops that scratch live provides. It also provides a jump to loop button to instantly start playing from the beginning.

numarkns6.com

1/2-----2X-----On/Off-----<Loop Shift----->Loop Shift

Manual Loop
Mode-----In-----Out-----Select-----Reloop

Auto Loop
Mode-----1-----2-----4-----8

Shift + any of the 4 Autoloops = Loop Roll


Select = Next Loop
Reloop = Jump to start of Current Loop
On/Off = Turns active Loop On/Off
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:02 PM - 7 May, 2012
Check out this article: djworx.com

More stuff from DjWorx
dj_eddie_gr 11:39 AM - 8 May, 2012
Just ordered mine from MusicStore !!! :)
DJ freestylefrenzy 10:55 AM - 9 May, 2012
alright guys..I thought the vci 380 would be coming out this week because The place I pre-ordered mine said it should be coming right after golden week(japanese holiday week)

I live in osaka and I ordered but got an email just now

*お世話になっております。

当店にてご注文いただいておりましたVestax VCI-380ですが
本日メーカーよりVestax VCI-380に対応するserato ITCHの
バージョンアップが遅れており、発売日を延期する旨の連絡がございました。

現在のところVestax VCI-380対応のserato ITCHのバージョンアップは
5月末~6月上旬となっておりますが、恐れ入りますが確定した情報では
なく上記予定よりもやや遅れる可能性がございます。

ご迷惑をおかけ致しまして誠に申し訳ございませんが
入荷次第早急に発送させていただきますので、発売まで今しばらくお待ちいただきます様
お願い申し上げます。

なお今回の発売延期に伴いまして、ご注文のキャンセルをご希望の場合は
キャンセルを承りますので、お手数をおかけ致しますが
ご返信いただきます様宜しくお願い致します。"


basically it just states that they are sorry that the release date for the product will be delayed because the product cannot be released without the new update from ITCH. so basically once the new Itch update comes out, the vci-380 will be released.
And in the email it said it may be towards the end of May or early June.

Sucks because I sold my vci 300 in anticipation of the 380...Guess I gotta be patient
phatbob 11:23 AM - 9 May, 2012
Jerome from Vestax said worldwearly June above.
phatbob 11:24 AM - 9 May, 2012
Jerome from Vestax said worldwide release in early June above.
ZackDarling 10:17 PM - 9 May, 2012
Okay. I think I just found another major shortfall of the VCI-380. Has anyone else noticed that it no longer has the "Pitch Shift" buttons that the VCI-300 has? Personally I loved that feature and had many mixes end with the previous track slowing down int tempo while keeping the pitched locked.

For example, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to do these tricks anymore with the 380:

Watchwww.youtube.com

What do you guys think? Am I missing some hidden feature?
[O/][iii][O/] 10:46 PM - 9 May, 2012
^^^ Yeah, I noticed that too. Based on studying high-resolution images of the VCI-380's control surface, I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling that Vestax has missed a few key thing such as this (no pitch shift +/- buttons) as well as no clear way to...

• assign effects to master
• engage stored loops without auto jumping to them
• access beatgrid controls (set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)

I realize this concern is premature since I obviously haven't used one yet, but like I said, visually it's not looking good. Sure hope I'm wrong.
ZackDarling 10:50 PM - 9 May, 2012
I'm feeling the same uneasiness as you. It seems that some of the great new features weren't without some serious sacrifices. Lame!
dj_eddie_gr 11:28 PM - 9 May, 2012
...or manual in/out loop... doesn't seem to bee there either....
J.J. 11:32 PM - 9 May, 2012
I have no idea what Vestax is smoking. This is what they need to do: (I posted this earlier)

Shift + Auto Loop would go into Manual Loop Mode. I would prefer a Double Push on Auto Loop to go into manual mode with the pads changing a different color for feedback. If you look closely, you can see the 7 pad has PREV (in green) and the 8 pad has NEXT. Is this for the 4 banks in SAMPLER like SSL? www.digitaldjtips.com

___SAMPLER_______________MANUAL_____________
|__HOT CUE__| |__SLICER_| |_AUTO LOOP_| |__ROLL___|
.______________________________________________.
(_________________PARAMETER___________________)

|__LOOP IN__| |_LOOP OUT_| |__RELOOP__| |__SELECT__|

|__ON/OFF__| |_AUTO LOOP_| |___1/2 X___| |____2 X____|

Like the NS6, SELECT will select the next LOOP. While looping, pushing LOOP OUT would allow you to adjust the LOOPS OUT POINT with the PARAMETER. SHIFT + PAD 1 would play the first loop and turn it ON. SHIFT + PAD 2 would play the second loop and turn it ON etc.
DJDeluchi 12:03 AM - 10 May, 2012
i have had about enough of waiting the whole software taken ages is really getting on my last nerve they should have featured this as long ago as they did they should have just done a press release when it was ready to ship
dj lashes 1:16 AM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
i have had about enough of waiting the whole software taken ages is really getting on my last nerve they should have featured this as long ago as they did they should have just done a press release when it was ready to ship

+1million
Maskrider 1:29 AM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
i have had about enough of waiting the whole software taken ages is really getting on my last nerve they should have featured this as long ago as they did they should have just done a press release when it was ready to ship



It is pretty stupid but smart at the same time...Coz of the hype they are building....lol
DJDeluchi 5:11 AM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
i have had about enough of waiting the whole software taken ages is really getting on my last nerve they should have featured this as long ago as they did they should have just done a press release when it was ready to ship



It is pretty stupid but smart at the same time...Coz of the hype they are building....lol



There's hype and then there's stupidity I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a sore back if this controller ain't out in the next 2 weeks I might have to look elsewhere if you know what I mean
spicaly 1:42 PM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
Okay. I think I just found another major shortfall of the VCI-380. Has anyone else noticed that it no longer has the "Pitch Shift" buttons that the VCI-300 has? Personally I loved that feature and had many mixes end with the previous track slowing down int tempo while keeping the pitched locked.

For example, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to do these tricks anymore with the 380:

Watchwww.youtube.com

What do you guys think? Am I missing some hidden feature?


theres a range button by each jogwheel, is that what you mean?
DJ CAPRO 3:22 PM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
There's hype and then there's stupidity I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a sore back if this controller ain't out in the next 2 weeks I might have to look elsewhere if you know what I mean


For anyone diving right in for the first batch hardware with new software to boot, have a backup plan if you need to gig in the near future. Expect some ironing out, that's all I'm saying.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:41 PM - 10 May, 2012
^^ amen
Dj Fitty 6:22 PM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
There's hype and then there's stupidity I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a sore back if this controller ain't out in the next 2 weeks I might have to look elsewhere if you know what I mean


For anyone diving right in for the first batch hardware with new software to boot, have a backup plan if you need to gig in the near future. Expect some ironing out, that's all I'm saying.

+1
DJDeluchi 6:31 PM - 10 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
There's hype and then there's stupidity I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a sore back if this controller ain't out in the next 2 weeks I might have to look elsewhere if you know what I mean


For anyone diving right in for the first batch hardware with new software to boot, have a backup plan if you need to gig in the near future. Expect some ironing out, that's all I'm saying.


i gig 3 times a week in the same venue my ttm57sl will be there ready to go any any time

i just wanna spend some money i hate having money laying around waiting to purchase shit
spicaly 6:39 PM - 10 May, 2012
dj_eddie_gr 8:30 PM - 10 May, 2012
:p
DJDeluchi 2:08 PM - 11 May, 2012
www.quickmeme.com

funny stuff lol
DJ CAPRO 2:24 PM - 11 May, 2012
Acknowledging your frustration, I would still try to be patient. Nothing is worse than a bricked piece of hardware due to insufficient testing. A lot of 300mkI users went through that.

At least there are corporate obligations to have 2.3 ready ASAP. It's more comforting than if it was just customer pressure IMO.
DJDeluchi 4:43 PM - 11 May, 2012
i have picked up a new toy till the vci 380 is out and stable went over to the dark side lol
DJ_X_Trodinaire 7:09 PM - 11 May, 2012
well dark side, what did you buy?! ;)
DJDeluchi 10:58 PM - 11 May, 2012
Got a s4 for a stupidly good price will use that for a few months till the vci comes out then sell it and buy a vci 380
DJ CAPRO 11:21 PM - 11 May, 2012
Hey, at least you got some good effects :)
DJ Fez 2:06 AM - 12 May, 2012
you might get frustrated putting everything into the traktor library and analyzing like i did! couldnt figure out how to get it to analyze more than 1 track at a time..no multi core support i guess??

itch interface makes me happy. maybe i'll just route it through traktor for the chained filter/delay/reverb effect... oy vey
DJDeluchi 2:32 AM - 12 May, 2012
only got it to bridge the gap and got it for an amazing price also got a udg trolly bag thrown in with it once the vci is out i will sell the s4 for £450 - £500 which i have already been offered for it and keep the trolley bag for the vci :-) its a win win
DJ Fez 2:52 AM - 12 May, 2012
yeah. im just kind of wishing i had saved my $400 for the s2 towards the new pio effects unit...or my upcoming vegas trip! mine might go on sale pretty soon
DJ MDX 4:19 PM - 17 May, 2012
Hmm, there is nothing wrong with having a competitors equipment - it keeps you ready for anything the game throws at you - at least that's my philosphy. I run SSL, ITCH, and TP2 and use them according to my needs.

57
68
300
DX
NS6
S2 w/F1

380 when it hits - Yuh!
J.J. 7:54 PM - 17 May, 2012
LOL MDX. You remind me of myself.

MP4
68
62-Z
400-SE
NS6
S4
1200's

380 if it offers Loop Controls (Next Loop, Loop On/Off, Exit Loop, Loop In/Out)
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 12:44 AM - 18 May, 2012
Hi guys,
We recieved a lot of requests through various channels regarding the manual loop function.
The VCI-380 has only Auto Loop although you can store and play 8 different loops in the Memory Loop mode.

We understand that manual loop is sometimes needed for seamless matching, espacially when the groove (or mood) has a strong swing!
We take your requests very seriously and we will study the design of the manual loop mode, for future Itch update.

Thank you for all your constructive comments on the VCI-380.
DJ freestylefrenzy 1:04 AM - 18 May, 2012
thanks jerome for chiming in...I really just want to get my hands on the unit already..
I`ve had to go back to using cdjs for my gigs the past few times since I`ve sold the 300..can`t wait..
Maskrider 2:06 AM - 18 May, 2012
When is this thing going to drop any official word?
[O/][iii][O/] 3:34 PM - 18 May, 2012
Quote:
Hi guys,
We recieved a lot of requests through various channels regarding the manual loop function.
The VCI-380 has only Auto Loop although you can store and play 8 different loops in the Memory Loop mode.


Thank you for the info, BUT will the VCI-380 automatically JUMP to stored loops when engaging them (like Twitch unfortunately does) so they behave like a hot cue OR will the stored loops simply turn on so loops begins when the playhead reaches them? This information is VITAL for many users and potentially a deal-breaker if stored loops behave like hot cues.
dj_eddie_gr 4:52 PM - 18 May, 2012
+ 1000000 for manual loop mode.
But I also like the idea of "hot loop". it's more creatively than just turning the preset loop on...
J.J. 5:08 PM - 18 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Hi guys,
We recieved a lot of requests through various channels regarding the manual loop function.
The VCI-380 has only Auto Loop although you can store and play 8 different loops in the Memory Loop mode.


Thank you for the info, BUT will the VCI-380 automatically JUMP to stored loops when engaging them (like Twitch unfortunately does) so they behave like a hot cue OR will the stored loops simply turn on so loops begins when the playhead reaches them? This information is VITAL for many users and potentially a deal-breaker if stored loops behave like hot cues.


This is a deal-breaker for me! Can you turn On/Off a stored loop? I don't need it to start playing a loop like a hot cue.
dj_eddie_gr 9:04 AM - 19 May, 2012
One other thing I would like to see is an optional +/- 4% pitch range. It would be more accurate with this size pitch fader. I don't mix songs beyond that pitch range difference anyway...
Maskrider 7:53 PM - 20 May, 2012
Quote:
One other thing I would like to see is an optional +/- 4% pitch range. It would be more accurate with this size pitch fader. I don't mix songs beyond that pitch range difference anyway...


+1
radikarl 5:22 AM - 23 May, 2012
Hi J.J

i think you are, on any hardware always able to use

O P [ for deck one LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF
and
L ; ' for deck two LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF

both in ITCH and SCRATCH LIVE
DJ freestylefrenzy 5:45 AM - 23 May, 2012
Quote:
Hi J.J

i think you are, on any hardware always able to use

O P [ for deck one LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF
and
L ; ' for deck two LOOP IN / LOOP OUT / LOOP ON-OFF

both in ITCH and SCRATCH LIVE


Yup I believe you can do that on the keyboard strokes...I know Ive used it countless times when I gig in scratch live...
dj_eddie_gr 7:43 AM - 23 May, 2012
Sure you can ,but wouldn't be great if you could do that from your controller without having to search in the dark for those keys/?? I mean ,this is a VERY POWERFUL controller that lacks a VERY BASIC function (manual loop in/out).
dj_eddie_gr 3:33 PM - 23 May, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com

Is it released????
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:14 PM - 23 May, 2012
wow..getting excited by each day...

not too sure if its released. No word here in Japan yet. I`ve pre-ordered mine and still no word.
Djkom 5:39 PM - 23 May, 2012
French release date = May 29th !!!

www.nuloop.com
Joee 5:47 PM - 23 May, 2012
software, i'm sure that all there waiting on
dj lashes 5:55 PM - 23 May, 2012
Quote:
software, i'm sure that all there waiting on

i was just thinking same.. but with the time so short do you think a beta will drop or a final release?
Joee 6:00 PM - 23 May, 2012
good question, not to answer a ? with a ?.....but was there a beta of 2.4.0 before the 61 & 62 hit the market? i don't think there was, could be the same with the new itch for vci 380
Maskrider 7:06 PM - 23 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
software, i'm sure that all there waiting on

i was just thinking same.. but with the time so short do you think a beta will drop or a final release?


There might be or there has to be if they waited this long for it to be released.
irieproductions 2:29 AM - 24 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
software, i'm sure that all there waiting on

i was just thinking same.. but with the time so short do you think a beta will drop or a final release?


Usually Serato drops a fully functional release of ITCH for new products (if its just to enable support for a new controller). If its a new package with new features etc they release it as beta for testing.
serkan 10:36 AM - 26 May, 2012
Yeah.
Current ITCH version is 2.2.0 so we might expect a 2.2.1 VCI-380-only release.
With the Novation TWITCH the new ITCH version came with the controller before it was available for download on the Serato website.

But "Joee" is right regarding the Sixty-One/Two and Scratch Live.
There at least is a possibility that we see the new VCI hit the market before we see a new version of ITCH.

But hey, it's all nothing but speculation. The VCI-380 isn't not released yet nor is a new version of ITCH. And since we can't even guess what will happen we just need to have some patience... in the meanwhile I'll get some popcorn :)
serkan 10:38 AM - 26 May, 2012
Quote:

The VCI-380 isn't not released yet

Should've been...
"The VCI-380 isn't released yet"
...of course :)
damehype 8:46 PM - 27 May, 2012
VCI-380 will release with Itch 2.4...
Papa Midnight 9:01 PM - 27 May, 2012
Quote:
VCI-380 will release with Itch 2.4...

Source?
tekamafo 9:29 PM - 27 May, 2012
New vid

Vestax VCi380 DJ Midi Controller with Serato Itch Software @ djkit.tv
youtu.be
dj lashes 12:29 AM - 28 May, 2012
Quote:
New vid

Vestax VCi380 DJ Midi Controller with Serato Itch Software @ djkit.tv
youtu.be

i like the look of the vci 380 but now i love it the pad ft are so cool and midi mapping for the pads lol niceeeeeeeee
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:45 PM - 28 May, 2012
Westenddj in the uk has got on there facebook the vci-380 will be dispatched tomorrow for wed release.
KD1011 2:03 PM - 28 May, 2012
Not sure if you guys noticed, but in the promo video, the pads appear to be RGB (colored), but in the other shots, it's disappeared...

djworx.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

strange....

www.digitaldjtips.com
serkan 8:11 PM - 28 May, 2012
That were promotional graphics to show the possible colours.
It's like McDonald's. The pictures are supposed to show the ingredients but not how the burger will look like :)
DJ LIL M 12:22 AM - 29 May, 2012
djransom 12:37 AM - 29 May, 2012
Looking forward to upgrading to this mos def.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 2:04 AM - 29 May, 2012
dj lashes 2:24 AM - 29 May, 2012
so it finally here but ITCH 2.2.1 nice to know for everyone who was waiting on 2.3 can now know serato never gave a sh1t about you only on getting the 380 out, i bet all the bugs found in 2.2 are fixed in 2.2.1 but if you dont have a 380 you can use 2.2.1 lol
Ragman 7:15 AM - 29 May, 2012
Quote:
[...] everyone who was waiting on 2.3 can now know serato never gave a sh1t about you only on getting the 380 out, [...] lol

Wow dj lashes that's pretty harsh don't you think ? ...
sheeno 11:03 AM - 29 May, 2012
Check out this new vid from Vestax. This video explains how to activate the saved loop function which has been a hot topic on here.

Watchwww.youtube.com
[O/][iii][O/] 2:13 PM - 29 May, 2012
Quote:
Check out this new vid from Vestax. This video explains how to activate the saved loop function which has been a hot topic on here.

Watchwww.youtube.com


Thanks, but this video still doesn't answer the burning question of "does the VCI-380 automatically JUMP to stored loops when engaging them (like Twitch unfortunately does) so they behave like a hot cue OR will the stored loops simply turn on so loops begins when the playhead reaches them? This information is VITAL for many users and potentially a deal-breaker if stored loops behave like hot cues."

This video appears to show stored loops behaving like hot cues :-(
dj_eddie_gr 3:25 PM - 29 May, 2012
It is obviously "hot looping".... The thing is how you exit loop the stored loop? I would be better pressing SHIFT+Stored loop rather than just pressing once ore the stored loop pad. Like this you could stutter the saved loops... Cool effect....
[O/][iii][O/] 3:54 PM - 29 May, 2012
Quote:
It is obviously "hot looping"....


If it's "hot looping" only, I'm afraid it's deal breaker :-(
Djkom 4:08 PM - 29 May, 2012
I think if we create a new request on saved loop activation (SHIFT+Stored loop) it will be implemented because it's not really a big deal to do that.
This is how I imagine this feature:
- stored loop mode by double click on loop mode
- all stored loops button are "low lighted"
- SHIFT + stored loop -> "full blinking lighted" button until the play reaches the stored loop, then "full lighted"
- SHIFT + same stored loop -> "low lighted" button

By the way, as most of users use stored loops in SSL mode (loop activation) I would even recommend that stored loop mode acts by default as I just described without SHIFT button (SHIFT button should be hot looping.)

ITCH 2.3 is not done yet so if many people complains about that I think Serato will listen to us and that will be a sale booster for VCI 380.
DJ CAPRO 6:52 PM - 29 May, 2012
^^ if history is any indicator they will put that on the MKII

I'm just stoked you can use it with ScratchLive's infinitely superior effects
dj lashes 6:52 PM - 29 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
[...] everyone who was waiting on 2.3 can now know serato never gave a sh1t about you only on getting the 380 out, [...] lol

Wow dj lashes that's pretty harsh don't you think ? ...


no i dont look on it like this yeah that great vci380 am even about to order one but what about the dj who are ripping there hair out to get past 1 night with out drop outs, restarts, freezin, missing crates/songs, bad sound, head phones cutting out, really be real its about time serato stop of a min and pull them self together, I check on here every day to see whats new and if i can help anyone in the forum and most of the time people seem to post about things which have been dragging on for months sometime years, so tell me is the vci380 gonna help dj Joe blogs from itch crashing with he ns6 hell no.. sorry to anyone who thinks am being harsh i 100% do not want any to think am evil or bad minded but that is just how i feel.
I can use my itch and vci or ns6 ok but still always some back door deal to keep itch in check, it was the same when video came out great for some but not for the people cant even run itch without video and they still never got there problems fix anyway it is what it is....
benictrs 7:36 PM - 29 May, 2012
I throw in the discusion a random thought :) , if they would do a mapping for the platers too and we would be able to control scratch live without the timecode (like a hid controler)i would definetly buy this unit to use with my sl4 just like midi controler for SSL :))) What do you guys think ???
XRM5 7:47 PM - 29 May, 2012
It's crazy how close they get to letting you control SL with it, all the way down to including pad fx mappings for SL.

They can see how it makes sense to just go ahead & do it, but they still won't.
djemdub 7:58 PM - 29 May, 2012
It's so frustrating and sad to see that many people, including myself, were looking forward to an actual change in itch when this 380 dropped, but now we are only finding out that the next release will only be an itch version to make the 380 compatible. I just wish Serato would have been at least some what responsible enough to chime in on all these threads that were talking about an itch 2.3 release, and let their consumers/customers know that when the 380 drops, the itch that will be released would be a 2.2.x that makes the 380 and itch compatible.or they could've made it a sticky post in the itch discussion..i, like dj lashes, come onto the forums daily to see if any major announcements have been made, but nope none.I was forward to 2.3 drop in June mainly for effects and the possibility of 2 deck view for 4 channel controllers.oh and I can't forget to add, MIDI capability for that sp6 player.I don't have a mac nor will I ever so I'm not able to use Mitch.so exactly how long will we have to wait for a change to come?november?that's ridiculous!if ns6's platters were a little better with traktor, I'd probably make that transition.I hate that GUI but atleast there, I could hide 2 decks, full control of MIDI and and have better effects.I should just buy a traktor box and a turntable, connect to my ns6 and use it with traktor! That way I could scratch!
DJ CAPRO 8:04 PM - 29 May, 2012
Quote:
I throw in the discusion a random thought :) , if they would do a mapping for the platers too and we would be able to control scratch live without the timecode (like a hid controler)i would definetly buy this unit to use with my sl4 just like midi controler for SSL :))) What do you guys think ???


That would be pretty nice. I would trade all the Syncing and Slicer stuff for decent DJ effects.
DJ dVO 11:39 PM - 29 May, 2012
I don't think it's the first time Serato drop a specific version of Itch for a specific controller. Look at the NS7, DX, VCI-300, and NS6 - each has its own version of Itch. And just like every controller released with a specific version of Itch, a general "updated" version follows suite. I just think you folks are being impatient.
ZackDarling 12:05 AM - 30 May, 2012
Dude. The anticipation is killing me!!!
[O/][iii][O/] 12:53 AM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
I think if we create a new request on saved loop activation (SHIFT+Stored loop) it will be implemented because it's not really a big deal to do that.
This is how I imagine this feature:
- stored loop mode by double click on loop mode
- all stored loops button are "low lighted"
- SHIFT + stored loop -> "full blinking lighted" button until the play reaches the stored loop, then "full lighted"
- SHIFT + same stored loop -> "low lighted" button

By the way, as most of users use stored loops in SSL mode (loop activation) I would even recommend that stored loop mode acts by default as I just described without SHIFT button (SHIFT button should be hot looping.)

ITCH 2.3 is not done yet so if many people complains about that I think Serato will listen to us and that will be a sale booster for VCI 380.


Agreed. Consistency in workflow/behavior is crucial for us users who are both SSL AND ITCH. Several of us SSL users who were hot on Twitch for ITCH ditched Twitch when we discovered that activating stored loops automatically jumped the playhead to them like a hot cue. NOT what we were expecting at all and just created problems. Oh, and the crappy output level of course.

Will someone from Serato and/or Vestax PLEASE provide a definitive answer here? Pretty please. Sugar on top.
Maskrider 1:13 AM - 30 May, 2012
I know Serato has it's own priorities but getting the VCI380 up in running is the main one right now...Once this thing get settled They might be adding features that we are asking for.

We really can't get what we want right away but always remember this It was once said by a Serato God "All in Due Time"
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:15 AM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
I
We really can't get what we want right away but always remember this It was once said by a Serato God "All in Due Time"


+1
radikarl 7:41 AM - 30 May, 2012
SHIFT + stored loop deletes a stored loop

the way to turn a loop on without jumping there is by using the keyboard shortcut.
Serato, Forum Moderator
Logan D 7:42 AM - 30 May, 2012
Hey guys, currently turning on a saved loop in 'Saved Loops' mode will jump to the start of the loop, much the same as is does with Twitch and some of our other ITCH controllers. Pressing the loop slot button again simply turns the loop off. Pressing Shift + Loop slot deletes a saved loop from the loop slot. That's how it works on the VCI-380. We understand some people prefer the loops to simply turn on and off andso we'll take that feedback on board.

Cheers :)
Djkom 8:58 AM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
Hey guys, currently turning on a saved loop in 'Saved Loops' mode will jump to the start of the loop, much the same as is does with Twitch and some of our other ITCH controllers. Pressing the loop slot button again simply turns the loop off. Pressing Shift + Loop slot deletes a saved loop from the loop slot. That's how it works on the VCI-380. We understand some people prefer the loops to simply turn on and off andso we'll take that feedback on board.

Cheers :)


Thanks for listening our concerns...hope will be a way to use store loops like in SSL...(maybe with just a switch setting in setup pane or something like dat)...

Anyway, good job serato guys, I know you take care of users feedbacks !
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:07 AM - 30 May, 2012
how about a 6th performance mode aka SHIFT + Loop (mode button)
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:23 AM - 30 May, 2012
Well i just got mine, using on the PC at the mo, DJ-FX do not work looks like there is none must be something in the instulation thats messed up.

But the pad buttons are SHIT there not really a button just abit of rubber that you have to squish to make work very hard to fire cues on time and to fire them in beat its VERY hit and miss as you can not feel the button, Very hard to explain but so far HATE the pad buttons.

Apart from that so far looking good. (This is my first itch controller)

Have to have a read up on sync becasue in smartsync mode it did not stay in sync was a train wreck lol sure it's something i am doing wrong. But so far i dont see what the fuss is about sync seems easier to beatmatch lol
dj_eddie_gr 9:30 AM - 30 May, 2012
You made the stored loop to act like hot cue... At least let it be like that all the way :
Pressing the corresponding pad jumps-activates the saved loop. Press again re-triggers the loop. To exit press the loop out on keyboard... I'd prefer that cause you could stutter the loop ;)
Serato, Forum Moderator
Logan D 9:40 AM - 30 May, 2012
Hey Woolsey, if you can't see any effects start a new help thread and the guys will sort you out. I believe the issue is related to the fact that you also have Scratch Live installed - and should be easy to resolve.

With the pads, either there is some issue with yours not working properly or we have very different taste :P. I personally think the pads are amazing to use. But if they don't seem very responsive please let the support guys know also. Cheers!
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:47 AM - 30 May, 2012
ya already done some reports in the help area, Erm well i like to feel a click when i press a button, the pads are not really buttons just squishy rubber where you have to put presure onto it to make it work. i can live with it but at the mo hating it LOL its new iv NEVER felt a button like this in my life. All the other buttons are buttons its just the pad squishy things. If i could plug my denon hc1000s in i would just use that for CUE's. but ya i like it so far, few things in itch bit strange like you can not sort cues cron order like ssl. and it does not show in itch if key lock is on or off. also 0% Pitch is not on line with the 0& line on the 380, it's about 3mm past.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 10:12 AM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
Erm well i like to feel a click when i press a button, the pads are not really buttons just squishy rubber where you have to put presure onto it to make it work. i can live with it but at the mo hating it LOL its new iv NEVER felt a button like this in my life.


Hi Woosley,
As you mentioned, the Pads don't feature any click or travel.
This type of FSR Pads are very typical, and was never seen before on a Dj controller; it can be easy to undurstand that you feel a bit surprised by feeling those Pads.
Pads are made to be hit, with same style as sampler pads or rythm machines. This was our target when designing the VCI-380.
I agree, it's a different approach than pushing a button. This is maybe what makes the VCI-380 so special, and also having FSR Pads is the only way to enable the unique Pad FX function.

Cheers,
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:21 AM - 30 May, 2012
Ya i'm sure i will get used to it (and then prob hate normal buttons lol)

But loving it so far just what i been waiting for a compact pro controller that i can do everything with, Mixing up the videos as we speak.
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:03 PM - 30 May, 2012
just got the vci 380...will post up pics and vids soon...

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spicaly 12:34 PM - 30 May, 2012
where do u guys live that your getting them.... i havent even found it online for sale
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:45 PM - 30 May, 2012
im living here in osaka japan..I know a few peeps that got it from vestax directly..I got mine from a dealer..came with a package with monitors, stand, headphones...

some others got it with the vestax usb cable and other freebies
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:32 PM - 30 May, 2012
Lucky!
DJ freestylefrenzy 1:52 PM - 30 May, 2012
here are a few quick snaps I took

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dj_eddie_gr 2:19 PM - 30 May, 2012
nice!!! How tight is the needle led marker? What do you feel about the new pads?
DJ freestylefrenzy 2:53 PM - 30 May, 2012
the needle led marker is pretty handy with the scratching..there is a millisecond lag with the sound and the marker LED...but not too noticeable..

The pads feel nice...Ill upload a vid soon
JDforKing 4:05 PM - 30 May, 2012
size wise how does it compare to the vci 300
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:15 PM - 30 May, 2012
Its pretty much the same..I sold my vci 300 so I cant compare right now..but from memory and also just by checking my DJ bag I fit the 380 inside no problem so I believe its about the same size..could be wrong
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:16 PM - 30 May, 2012
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com
dj_eddie_gr 5:16 PM - 30 May, 2012
Nice vid dude. Thanks. Overall opinion??? How about the pitch fader? Is it accurate? I don't mix using sync. Is it possible to beat match ,with ease ,with this tiny pitch fader? What are the pitch ranges and what increments? Thanx again...
[O/][iii][O/] 5:21 PM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
Hey guys, currently turning on a saved loop in 'Saved Loops' mode will jump to the start of the loop, much the same as is does with Twitch and some of our other ITCH controllers.


!@#$%^&*()__+^%$^%@^$&

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!

Damn, WHY would the powers that be decide to do such a thing? CONSISTENCY in behavior is critical for many users, ESPECIALLY those bouncing back and forth between SSSL and ITCH.

Dealbreaker >:-(
Robbie O 6:05 PM - 30 May, 2012
Thanks DJ freestylefrenzy for vid... Thank you for making me fein even more for this device. No device will be perfect, but this will be my perfect travel unit and dope to play with in home without heavy liftin
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:44 PM - 30 May, 2012
Well starting to get used to the pad buttons now. a few things nag me that are not same in itch as scratchlive but nothing majour.

Think i might get the 19" adaptor for it but i have yet to see anyone in uk advertise it so guess vestax do not have this ready yet, interested to see how it fits into it.
DJ MDX 7:01 PM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com



Nice Vid and thanks for sharing - I know this is just messing around but one thing for all of us DJ's to keep in mind is, please be mindful of your audience, this can get really annoying and be counterproductive to clear a dance floor in a fast minute...lol

This is no way saying what you were doing was intended to do that, so please do not take any offense to it. Just simply stating that if I was on a dance floor listening to 6 minutes of the same slice & roll.....I'd have to slice & roll you....j/k...lol

BTW, Congrats on your purchuse looks like one really nice kit!
[O/][iii][O/] 7:17 PM - 30 May, 2012
Can anyone who's gotten their hands on this unit yet explain how beatgrid controls are achieved since it's not apparent in pictures because grid controls aren't seen? (eg: set, clear, adjust, slip, on/off)
dj_eddie_gr 7:18 PM - 30 May, 2012
keyboard... ;)
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:20 PM - 30 May, 2012
ya you gotta use the keyboard, i have not even started with the beatgrid thing but itch does not do a good job working them out.
[O/][iii][O/] 7:39 PM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
keyboard... ;)


Geez, dealbreaker #2.

The whole point of a flippin' controller is so you don't have to touch the damn keyboard.

Why can't any of these manufacturers ever get it right and hit a homerun? They always seem to get to third base and just quit right there. :-/
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:42 PM - 30 May, 2012
cost at a guess if it had everything it would cost loads and be BIIGG so i supose they see what s most important to cost/size.
djdnadeficient81 7:53 PM - 30 May, 2012
best controller on the market (got mine today)... but still prefer 2 x CDJ's, a mixer and my Denon HC1000s to the extent im sending my vci 380 back
pdidy 9:57 PM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
best controller on the market (got mine today)... but still prefer 2 x CDJ's, a mixer and my Denon HC1000s to the extent im sending my vci 380 back

You do no that sounds totally crazy, right ?......lol
nik39 10:05 PM - 30 May, 2012
Quote:
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com

Hey, thanks for the video! What's the name of the Lucy Pearl remix you're playing?
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:14 AM - 31 May, 2012
Quote:
Nice vid dude. Thanks. Overall opinion??? How about the pitch fader? Is it accurate? I don't mix using sync. Is it possible to beat match ,with ease ,with this tiny pitch fader? What are the pitch ranges and what increments? Thanx again...


Thanks...overall opinion is much better than the vci 300 and vfx combo...the feel of the jog wheels and pitch faders are great. I also beatmatch by pitch fader so its much more smoother riding it. I havent really noticed if its accurate or not..I was more fiddling around with the slicer..

Im at work now but once I get home Ill get to trying and take a video of all the features and similarities and differences between the vci 300 and 380...
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:16 AM - 31 May, 2012
Quote:
Thanks DJ freestylefrenzy for vid... Thank you for making me fein even more for this device. No device will be perfect, but this will be my perfect travel unit and dope to play with in home without heavy liftin


thanks robbie..once you get the vci unit..hopefully we can help each other with getting the most out of the unit...

I started with SSL and moved to vci 300 so basically straight mixing hip hop and RnB with a few scratches...

but I can see the vci 380 really opens up the creativity in a DJ...
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:22 AM - 31 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com



Nice Vid and thanks for sharing - I know this is just messing around but one thing for all of us DJ's to keep in mind is, please be mindful of your audience, this can get really annoying and be counterproductive to clear a dance floor in a fast minute...lol

This is no way saying what you were doing was intended to do that, so please do not take any offense to it. Just simply stating that if I was on a dance floor listening to 6 minutes of the same slice & roll.....I'd have to slice & roll you....j/k...lol

BTW, Congrats on your purchuse looks like one really nice kit!


Thanks MDX for understanding it was just a demo of the features...trust me my fiancee said after 2 minutes into the video "is this all it does? repeat repeat repeat?" hahaaha

for one thing I can see myself getting carried away with just button smashing and slicing because the PADS are so inviting. Others and myself gotta be careful of not overdoing it cuz I find it just kills the song...
FX, slicing and loop rolls could be deadly if used correctly..if used incorrectly it could clear the dance floor...haha

other than that really happy with my purchase and glad I passed on the vci 400
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:23 AM - 31 May, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com

Hey, thanks for the video! What's the name of the Lucy Pearl remix you're playing?


nik....the song is Big Dancing by Bounce Camp. It sampled the Lucy Pearl joint Dance tonight
Maskrider 5:26 AM - 31 May, 2012
Quote:
just did a quick video of the pad fx...let me know what you guys think...

its my first time to use the SLICER and LOOP ROLL functions so its not the best...but shows all the FX used etc

Watchwww.youtube.com


Lucky Bastard.....
DJ freestylefrenzy 3:25 PM - 1 June, 2012
here is another vid with some scratching

Watchwww.youtube.com
[O/][iii][O/] 4:26 PM - 1 June, 2012
What are the five round dots that look to be about .25" diameter and are evenly spaced out around the perimeter of each platter?
dj_eddie_gr 4:29 PM - 1 June, 2012
Stickers to cover the screws...?
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:30 PM - 1 June, 2012
haha yeah..they are just normal stickers to cover the screws...
I put some over my vci 300s before...
[O/][iii][O/] 4:42 PM - 1 June, 2012
Ahhh, gotchya.


Quote:
We understand some people prefer the loops to simply turn on and off andso we'll take that feedback on board.


PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES! Having loops behave consistently like they do in SSL is extremely important for many users. We stored loops to simply turn on when selected. We do NOT want the playhead to automatically jump to a stored loop like a hot cue when selected. Ideally these two different behaviors would be user selectable with ITCH's preferences so we can choose how stored loops behave.

PLEASE make this possible as quickly as you can. Thanks.
dj_eddie_gr 4:49 PM - 1 June, 2012
Yeah... That should be selectable...
And PLEASE make the stored "hot" loop act like stutter also. Not pressing once triggers, pressing twice loop exit. It should be press once trigger , press twice retriggers... To exit press keyboard shortcut or some other combination (shift+something)...
Thanx
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:53 PM - 1 June, 2012
Quote:
Yeah... That should be selectable...
And PLEASE make the stored "hot" loop act like stutter also. Not pressing once triggers, pressing twice loop exit. It should be press once trigger , press twice retriggers... To exit press keyboard shortcut or some other combination (shift+something)...
Thanx


+1
pilmat 5:22 PM - 1 June, 2012
Quote:
Yeah... That should be selectable...
And PLEASE make the stored "hot" loop act like stutter also. Not pressing once triggers, pressing twice loop exit. It should be press once trigger , press twice retriggers... To exit press keyboard shortcut or some other combination (shift+something)...
Thanx


No, no, no, no, no! Don't mix loops and hot cues! Press once, loop starts, press again to get out.

Just put a hot cue at the start of your loop...
Robbie O 5:25 PM - 1 June, 2012
Is there a way to censor parts of a song with this unit? W/ the s1 I could use the slip mode, Numarks have a dedicated button to sensor, Is there a solution for the 380?
Robbie O 5:26 PM - 1 June, 2012
Quote:

No, no, no, no, no! Don't mix loops and hot cues! Press once, loop starts, press again to get out.

Just put a hot cue at the start of your loop...


+1
True, that how I do them now
serkan 1:53 PM - 3 June, 2012
Even better:
An option in the settings for all ITCH controllers:

Jump to loop when engaging auto loop? Yes/No
KD1011 2:00 PM - 3 June, 2012
How about...

When you near ~30seconds to the loop, the button for the loop will change color/flash, changing it from 'jump' to 'engage' mode, everyone's happy!


(btw: I hope Serato plan to add colored hot cues to the 380, seems like a shame not to use the awesome RGB aspect of the pads...)
dj_eddie_gr 4:24 PM - 3 June, 2012
Quote:
How about...
(btw: I hope Serato plan to add colored hot cues to the 380, seems like a shame not to use the awesome RGB aspect of the pads...)


+100000
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:52 PM - 3 June, 2012
^ that was one of the reasons I wanted it in the first place, is there some false advertising going on?
XRM5 7:25 PM - 3 June, 2012
Yeah that one multi-colored pic is totally misleading. Now that NI has it in the F1 they need to get it figured out.
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:28 PM - 3 June, 2012
Multi colour is when u turn it on lol. Cues are yellow and loops green, slice red/white. Samples green/blue/purple.
serkan 9:59 PM - 3 June, 2012
This a tool guys, not a toy ;)
XRM5 12:07 AM - 4 June, 2012
I don't get that. I'm talking about improving the interface, not making the thing look pretty.

Itch is short enough on features as it is, anything they can cram into this box can only help the situation.
KD1011 8:19 AM - 4 June, 2012
Quote:
I don't get that. I'm talking about improving the interface, not making the thing look pretty.

Itch is short enough on features as it is, anything they can cram into this box can only help the situation.


+1

What's the point of paying extra for RGB pads if they aren't used to full effect?
The functionality is there, seems a shame to simply let it go to waste...
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:28 PM - 4 June, 2012
hey guys heres a vid of the RGB pad fx changing colours with each function activated from SP-6 to Cue points to loop roll etc..

the video maybe blocked in some countries

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:54 AM - 5 June, 2012
is it me or the marker on the left deck going counter clockwise?
And how is the marker holding up? any drift? or is it on point with the marker in itch?
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 12:59 AM - 5 June, 2012
Quote:
or is it on point with the marker in itch?


The needle point marker of the jogwheels is synchronized with Itch marker on the screen.
Maskrider 2:26 AM - 5 June, 2012
Hey Jerome at Vestax when can we see the VCI-380 in our local dealers?
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 2:37 AM - 5 June, 2012
If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Best,
DJ freestylefrenzy 3:39 AM - 5 June, 2012
Quote:
is it me or the marker on the left deck going counter clockwise?
And how is the marker holding up? any drift? or is it on point with the marker in itch?

Hey xtraordinaire

Sorry my bad the video is actually reversed..do don't pay attention to the orientation of the video just the pad colors and FX...my bad for everyone that got confused.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:03 PM - 5 June, 2012
^^ All good. I thought you found an "Easter Egg" ;)
DJ MDX 3:25 PM - 5 June, 2012
Quote:
If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Best,


Best news I've heard today - Finally - Thanks!
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 10:15 PM - 5 June, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Best,


Best news I've heard today - Finally - Thanks!


Me too!
Maskrider 1:17 AM - 6 June, 2012
Quote:
If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Best,


This is what I'm talking about....Finally
DJ K-Ceaser 3:11 PM - 6 June, 2012
Quote:
If you're in US the VCI-380 will reach the stores by end of next week.
Most of dealers in Europe, UK, Japan and Corea already sell it.

Gre8 News but where is this Corea Place that you speak of! Lol.
DJ dVO 10:31 PM - 6 June, 2012
I wonder if there is a flight case built for the VCI-380! Here's hoping for a good one...
DJ CAPRO 2:44 AM - 7 June, 2012
^ i'm looking forward to decksaver making a hard top for it because it works great on my 300, i just throw it in the laptop bag

one thing i noticed is there is no longer a censor/backwards button... guess that means using the keyboard again (which sucks!) unless there's some other way of doing that

i also hope they sorted out the volume when doing backspins as when you do this on the 300 the volume multiplies... find out next week
DJ freestylefrenzy 3:24 AM - 7 June, 2012
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^ i'm looking forward to decksaver making a hard top for it because it works great on my 300, i just throw it in the laptop bag

one thing i noticed is there is no longer a censor/backwards button... guess that means using the keyboard again (which sucks!) unless there's some other way of doing that

i also hope they sorted out the volume when doing backspins as when you do this on the 300 the volume multiplies... find out next week


Capro..just to give you a heads up the vci 380 is slightly bigger than the vci 300 width wise...After upgrading I found my VCI 380 couldnt fit in my DJ bag..

also is the decksaver really worth it??especially with the knobs etc?

Im looking for a new bag im debating if I should do shoulder strap or backpack style..
sheeno 9:39 AM - 7 June, 2012
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Capro..just to give you a heads up the vci 380 is slightly bigger than the vci 300 width wise...After upgrading I found my VCI 380 couldnt fit in my DJ bag..

Im looking for a new bag im debating if I should do shoulder strap or backpack style..


What make / model of bag did you have before?
DJ CAPRO 12:24 PM - 7 June, 2012
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^ i'm looking forward to decksaver making a hard top for it because it works great on my 300, i just throw it in the laptop bag


Capro..just to give you a heads up the vci 380 is slightly bigger than the vci 300 width wise...After upgrading I found my VCI 380 couldnt fit in my DJ bag..

also is the decksaver really worth it??especially with the knobs etc?

Im looking for a new bag im debating if I should do shoulder strap or backpack style..


Thanks for the reply man. Yeah I measured it out and the Ortofon Digibag I have just barely fits the 300 so the 380 won't fit... Luckily when I bought that they threw in an Akai APC bag which is gonna be perfect.

I'm still gonna get a decksaver even though they are expensive. It's like having a bulletproof shield on covering your faders, knobs, and platters instead of some stiff eggshell foam I don't trust. Plus at home my cats have been known to sit on mixers in the past. Good investment IMO
KD1011 12:50 PM - 7 June, 2012
+1 on getting a Decksaver, haven't regretted getting one for the S1.


I'm guessing that because the 380 is fully encased in metal, it might be better to carry it in a roller bag, so hopefully it fits in my UDG bag...
[O/][iii][O/] 3:03 PM - 7 June, 2012
Can anyone here who's used the VCI-380 please confirm whether or not the effects can be applied to the master output, and if if the two effects controls can be combined on either deck.

Judging by pics alone it appears that the two effects controls are only one per deck without any ability to apply them to the master output or combine them on one deck.
DJ K-Ceaser 1:27 PM - 8 June, 2012
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Can anyone here who's used the VCI-380 please confirm whether or not the effects can be applied to the master output, and if if the two effects controls can be combined on either deck.

Judging by pics alone it appears that the two effects controls are only one per deck without any ability to apply them to the master output or combine them on one deck.


I do not Own one as of yet. However I spoke to someone on youtube who did a review and I was told that effects cannot be applied to the Master Out! So no mic Effects, also there is no support for the VFX1 so that means there is no work around! I am excited for this Product but even the ddjs1 can apply Effects to all Channels I feel that they really DROPPED The Ball on this aspect. Hopefully some firmware will be released to solve this If not VCI 380 MKII will fix it I Guess! COME ON VESTAX!!!!!
peggio 1:47 PM - 8 June, 2012
about manual loop...

in itch 2.2 is possible to set manual loops with keyboard shortcuts shift+o for loop in and shift+p for loop out.

is possible to do this with the 380's version of itch?

someone can try this??


thanks
[O/][iii][O/] 8:35 PM - 8 June, 2012
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Can anyone here who's used the VCI-380 please confirm whether or not the effects can be applied to the master output, and if if the two effects controls can be combined on either deck.

Judging by pics alone it appears that the two effects controls are only one per deck without any ability to apply them to the master output or combine them on one deck.


I do not Own one as of yet. However I spoke to someone on youtube who did a review and I was told that effects cannot be applied to the Master Out! So no mic Effects, also there is no support for the VFX1 so that means there is no work around! I am excited for this Product but even the ddjs1 can apply Effects to all Channels I feel that they really DROPPED The Ball on this aspect. Hopefully some firmware will be released to solve this If not VCI 380 MKII will fix it I Guess! COME ON VESTAX!!!!!


Geez, the more I learn about the 380 the more disappointed I get.

Lets' see...

• No engaging stored loops without playhead automatically jumping to them like a hot cue
• No beatgrid controls
• No nudge controls
• No master effects
• No combining effects
• Very short pitch controls

Several of these points feel like basic, essential features that were either missed or flat out ignored.

Had so much hope for this unit in the beginning, but now I'm :facepalm:
Maskrider 8:40 PM - 8 June, 2012
lol......Then Don't buy it.....Problem solved.
DJ CAPRO 8:43 PM - 8 June, 2012
Yeah for real...

Why would beatgrid controls on the mixer be essential?

And are you talking about pitch nudge like you do on the platter?
Dj Fitty 9:01 PM - 8 June, 2012
Sure would love to get my hands on one, but I can wait till next year maybe two. hell I still don't feel I have mastered the 300 yet with the effects unit. Lol. Also I can't imagine me getting wasted at a gig with all those features.
[O/][iii][O/] 1:15 AM - 9 June, 2012
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lol......Then Don't buy it.....Problem solved.


Unfortunately that's what it's looking like. Like I said, I had so much hope when I first learned of the 380 and since then it seems like every week I learn something else bad about it. :-(
[O/][iii][O/] 1:18 AM - 9 June, 2012
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Why would beatgrid controls on the mixer be essential?


It's essential if you want to "control" ITCH from the "controller" and not from the computer. If this isn't important to you then it's not essential.
[O/][iii][O/] 1:19 AM - 9 June, 2012
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And are you talking about pitch nudge like you do on the platter?


Kinda, yes. Having +/– pitch nudge buttons though IMO isn't required. Nice to have, but not essential.
DJ K-Ceaser 1:36 AM - 9 June, 2012
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lol......Then Don't buy it.....Problem solved.


Unfortunately that's what it's looking like. Like I said, I had so much hope when I first learned of the 380 and since then it seems like every week I learn something else bad about it. :-(


I am still very excited about Picking it up but I do Understand where your coming from. Its as if Vestax was like Yo lets leave out some essiential key functions on purpose so that we can have some ideas to Cram into a MKII version! But im just irritated that they added Things we have never seen before but left out many things that we are used to seeing! Deeep lol.
DJ CAPRO 3:29 AM - 9 June, 2012
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Why would beatgrid controls on the mixer be essential?


It's essential if you want to "control" ITCH from the "controller" and not from the computer. If this isn't important to you then it's not essential.


So instead of clicking and dragging grid points you would do this somehow with the controller but still look really close to the screen for accuracy... There are units out there that do this? Would you also like to rename tracks and drop them in folders?
DJ CAPRO 3:34 AM - 9 June, 2012
Also, to some of your other points, you get two FX per side so how are you not able to combine FX? You could always use the same thing on each side too.

And the pitch controls look at least as long as on the VCI-300, I've never heard anyone complain about those and they have as tight a resolution as you're gonna get.
Pete Input 8:31 AM - 9 June, 2012
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There are units out there that do this?


Numark NS6
phatbob 9:13 AM - 9 June, 2012
I've always found it quicker and more accurate to edit grids with the keyboard shortcuts, even on my Twitch, which has onboard gridding controls. And obviously that was the only option in Scratch Live so I've already spent a couple of years doing it that way. I don't really miss that on the 380.

The only truly 'fine' pitch controls in Itch are the rotaries found on the Twitch and the DX. But I use smart sync with Itch, I find it suits the controllerist way of working much better anyway. If your grids are good then you don't really need pitch controls at all. I played for 5 hours last night with my 380 and only touched the pitch controls a couple of times when changing genre/bpm completely and I needed to reset to 0%.
DJdaveZ 11:48 AM - 9 June, 2012
I was planning on picking one up...

but without manual loops and that whole jumping to loop thing, its not what i need i think.

If you have to stick to automatic lengths for loops, you have to rely on the accuracy of the beat grid, no? And, in my experience, the beat grid is rarely accurate throughout the song, if at all.

I was really looking toward an expanded vci-300 with balanced xlr outputs pad effects and slicer... but i wouldn't mind sticking with my vci-300 if it had balanced audio.
Dj Nyce 1:15 PM - 9 June, 2012
c'mon you guys are really nitpicking. the vci-300 and now the vci-380 are the best itch controllers in it's class. that being small, portable and with platters.

a small portable controller isn't going to be able to do everything. but what it does do it does exceptionally well.

i have sixty-two, turntables and cdj's. i'm picking up a VCI-380 for use when i'm in the hotel, at venues with minimal space and venues that don't have tables/cdj's.
[O/][iii][O/] 1:21 PM - 9 June, 2012
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Why would beatgrid controls on the mixer be essential?


It's essential if you want to "control" ITCH from the "controller" and not from the computer. If this isn't important to you then it's not essential.


So instead of clicking and dragging grid points you would do this somehow with the controller but still look really close to the screen for accuracy


Yes.


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There are units out there that do this?


Yes. NS6, Twitch, DDJ-S1 just to name a few that are known.

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Would you also like to rename tracks and drop them in folders?


No. This type of function IMO is handled during file preparation (not to mention you need a full keyboard for characters or some sort of funky scroll-to-letter and enter one at a time nonsense). It could be argued that beatgrid setting is handled during file prep too, but I find there are times that you need to beatgrid a track on the fly when it's something that is introduced to the library during a mix, new tracks just acquired before a session, etc.
[O/][iii][O/] 1:28 PM - 9 June, 2012
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c'mon you guys are really nitpicking.


At $1K street price for a 2-channel controller I think we're entitled to nitpick. We're not talking about off-the-wall features that are missing here. The inconsistent loop control behavior IMO is the biggest flub with the 380. The other flubs are lesser and can be worked around, but again, at $1K work arounds for basic functionality shouldn't be part of the discussion. This reminds me of other manufacturers forgetting/choosing to not include separate booth outputs on "all-in-one" controllers. At least the 380 got that right. Oh, and the XLRs are proper too, as is the metal control surface.
KD1011 1:32 PM - 9 June, 2012
I don't know, I'd rather have beatjump feature and an uncluttered interface than beatgrid controls.

I suppose it depends on whether you rely heavily on sync or not, because otherwise it's just a guide...
[O/][iii][O/] 1:42 PM - 9 June, 2012
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I don't know, I'd rather have beatjump feature and an uncluttered interface than beatgrid controls.


An uncluttered control surface is important to me too, but in reality we're talking about a couple of .25" buttons which there is plenty of out of the way real estate for.

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I suppose it depends on whether you rely heavily on sync or not, because otherwise it's just a guide...


Doesn't the use of such stumpy short pitch controls force the importance of having sync? If the pitch controls were longer and provider greater, more precise control, then yes, I agree that importance of sync and beatgrids diminishes.
KD1011 1:51 PM - 9 June, 2012
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An uncluttered control surface is important to me too, but in reality we're talking about a couple of .25" buttons which there is plenty of out of the way real estate for.


Don't get me wrong, I found beatgrid controls useful on the S1, but the keyboards controls are quite good, for what is only an occasional use feature...

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Doesn't the use of such stumpy short pitch controls force the importance of having sync? If the pitch controls were longer and provider greater, more precise control, then yes, I agree that importance of sync and beatgrids diminishes.


This is probably my biggest concern with the 380, but I'm hopeful that Vestax quality will be good. From what I can tell, there seem to be no complaints about those on the 300, unlike the (allegedly) inaccurate pitch faders on the NS6.
If they do prove to be a little imprecise, a software tweak to +/-4% should fix it.

All I know, is that the 380 has pretty much every feature I would want on a controller (compact, high quality, adjustable jogwheels, RGB FSR pads etc..)
[O/][iii][O/] 2:03 PM - 9 June, 2012
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An uncluttered control surface is important to me too, but in reality we're talking about a couple of .25" buttons which there is plenty of out of the way real estate for.


Don't get me wrong, I found beatgrid controls useful on the S1, but the keyboards controls are quite good, for what is only an occasional use feature.


I can probably live without beatgrid controls on the 380, but the crazy jumping loop behavior is unfortunately a deal breaker. I'm a very heavy SSL user and need consistent, predictable behavior across both programs. I would think any other SSL user would want/expect the same.

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Doesn't the use of such stumpy short pitch controls force the importance of having sync? If the pitch controls were longer and provider greater, more precise control, then yes, I agree that importance of sync and beatgrids diminishes.


This is probably my biggest concern with the 380, but I'm hopeful that Vestax quality will be good. From what I can tell, there seem to be no complaints about those on the 300, unlike the (allegedly) inaccurate pitch faders on the NS6.
If they do prove to be a little imprecise, a software tweak to +/-4% should fix it.


Agreed. Very curious to hear user experiences to start coming in on this topic. User selectable +/-4%, +/-8%, +/-16%... pitch ranges I would think would be ideal.
KD1011 2:12 PM - 9 June, 2012
I'm with you on this, I use SSL as well, and while I can see why some might want jumping stored loops, I'd at least like the option to switch them to behave the SSL way.
Enabling stored loops is the kind of functionality I WOULD want on my controller, not my keyboard...

Despite that though, I do intend on picking one up, only because it does everything else superbly.
Maskrider 3:46 PM - 9 June, 2012
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And are you talking about pitch nudge like you do on the platter?


Kinda, yes. Having +/– pitch nudge buttons though IMO isn't required. Nice to have, but not essential.


I use the pitch slider like I do with the turntables been in that habit since I started Djing.
DJ K-Ceaser 4:00 PM - 9 June, 2012
Alright But here is the NUMBER 1 Concern!!! When will they begin Selling in THE U.S. I keep hearing round about dates. "The week of" or "around this time" What is the dayum date!! My local Guitar Center said this tuesday which would be 6-12 but that was after they said they would have it the previous Wed. Is it that hard just give us a Date.
DJ CAPRO 4:54 PM - 9 June, 2012
^ me too. Vestax posted on here saying by end of next week...

the only good thing is every potential or minor issue is being outed ahead of buying it
[O/][iii][O/] 6:47 PM - 9 June, 2012
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^ me too. Vestax posted on here saying by end of next week...

the only good thing is every potential or minor issue is being outed ahead of buying it


Good point. Fingers crossed that they're addressing the wacky looping behavior. If that gets sorted out at launch I'll buy one pronto and just live with the other shortcomings.
DJ CAPRO 8:18 PM - 9 June, 2012
Yeah, there's no reason they can't change the software or at least you'd think. But I won't go on another FX rant this week...

Kinda bummed they took off the censor button tho as I've been using that instead of the FX to mess with beats...
DJ I.O 9:08 PM - 9 June, 2012
I wanted to used the VFX1 for Mic and Master effects with the 380. hopefully Vestax will allow this in the future. and hopefully just better quality FXs as well
XRM5 9:21 PM - 9 June, 2012
Yeah the censor button has always been one of the best effects. Maybe they can sneak that back in as a shift function somewhere.
DJ CAPRO 9:42 PM - 9 June, 2012
^ yeah like press shift and rotate the platter backwards or something...

if this was 2 years ago i would believe they could figure it out. by this point I'm sort of apathetic.
Maskrider 10:20 PM - 9 June, 2012
What I'm really hoping is to have the Efx of SSL ported to ITCH.
XRM5 10:25 PM - 9 June, 2012
Aren't SL + Itch supposed to be running on the same or similar code now?

That would make you think it couldn't be that hard to do. Makes me wonder why they haven't already.
J.J. 10:39 PM - 9 June, 2012
Jumping to Loops instead of turning them On/Off is a deal-breaker for me as well. I can live with the beat grids on the cpu.

I believe I can live with the other shortcomings as well.
DJ CAPRO 10:44 PM - 9 June, 2012
If I express what I've been thinking about SSL and the possible reasons Itch's effects are being held back I'll probably get the ban hammer...
J.J. 11:23 PM - 9 June, 2012
What is the deal with the effects in ITCH? You can go tweak city in SSL, or even combine 3 custom effects for 1 powerful effect. You have 1 Parameter in ITCH. That's IT! Just because there isn't 3 knobs on a controller doesn't mean you should limit the effects.

I'm not an effects guy, but I cannot even use a simple delay or echo because of the limitations. I'm very disappointed in Itch's effects. I guess I will have to start giving Itch Controllers bad reviews until Serato wakes up.
XRM5 1:56 AM - 10 June, 2012
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If I express what I've been thinking about SSL and the possible reasons Itch's effects are being held back I'll probably get the ban hammer...


Nobody's looking.
DJ CAPRO 5:08 AM - 10 June, 2012
Nah. I'll just keep my business theories to myself.

<3 Serato
Dj Fitty 2:00 PM - 10 June, 2012
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Nah. I'll just keep my business theories to myself.

<3 Serato

Oh, now I see your point!
Dj Fitty 2:08 PM - 10 June, 2012
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Nah. I'll just keep my business theories to myself.

<3 Serato

Oh, now I see your point!

Well more like I know wha you are thinking
Maskrider 5:53 PM - 10 June, 2012
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If I express what I've been thinking about SSL and the possible reasons Itch's effects are being held back I'll probably get the ban hammer...


You can do it.........lol Letting it out can make a big difference.
DJ CAPRO 6:58 PM - 10 June, 2012
lol no... I'm gonna choose to put faith in Itch for now.

Even though Vestax is my favorite, I just wish Rane decided to get on board with this controller stuff a few years ago. Albeit they don't build certain parts needed.
DJ freestylefrenzy 11:11 PM - 10 June, 2012
hey guys I know a few of you have asked me to see how SERATO video works with the vci 380..
I did a quick demo of it for you guys...

the video is again blocked in some countries so hopefully it works for you guys...

dont mind the serato video demo watermark..I dont own serato video because I never VDJ...just a demo for some serato members...

enjoy

Watchwww.youtube.com

also this is the zhane FX mix as well if you havent seen it yet

Watchwww.youtube.com
|DJSIGMA| 5:33 AM - 11 June, 2012
I was about to get twitch but when I saw this I was like wait up it has the same controls as twitch but has to jog wheels :D , totally getting this
[O/][iii][O/] 12:45 PM - 11 June, 2012
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I was about to get twitch but when I saw this I was like wait up it has the same controls as twitch but has to jog wheels :D , totally getting this


Smart move because Twitch flubbed the output volume whereas the 380 didn't.
Qoolee Kid 4:15 PM - 12 June, 2012
anxiously waiting... just to demo this piece of gear
jinhoshow 5:40 PM - 12 June, 2012
What is the range for the pitch control? +/- 6% ?? Can it be toggled to increase the range?
phatbob 5:42 PM - 12 June, 2012
8, 16 or 50%
jinhoshow 8:57 PM - 12 June, 2012
Nice, thanks.
JDforKing 12:28 AM - 13 June, 2012
if you search on ebay, im seeing 1 ebay store has 2 units in stock in new york.
DJ MDX 4:19 PM - 13 June, 2012
It's too bad that the dates keep getting pushed back every week by a week - I guess its a guessing game at this point - even with eveyone saying they have confirmed tracking dates - we'll if you had push it back again, what does that say for your confirmation??
Joee 4:29 PM - 13 June, 2012
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hey guys I know a few of you have asked me to see how SERATO video works with the vci 380..
I did a quick demo of it for you guys...

the video is again blocked in some countries so hopefully it works for you guys...

dont mind the serato video demo watermark..I dont own serato video because I never VDJ...just a demo for some serato members...

enjoy

Watchwww.youtube.com

also this is the zhane FX mix as well if you havent seen it yet

Watchwww.youtube.com

one question, if you ever used the vci 300 you know the jog wheels have a different feel than the vci 300mkII.........how would you say the jog wheels on the vci 380 are? do the feel the same as the 300mkII? or are the a different feel?

thanks
JDforKing 4:32 PM - 13 June, 2012
i found a store with 2 in stock. they said they requested expedited shipping thats why they are the only place you can currently find them.
ernie 5:38 PM - 13 June, 2012
i just ordered one vci 380 from ebay $899 and they told me that my shipping will be faster.. vestax will ship it to me directly. 3 to 5 days
JDforKing 6:39 PM - 13 June, 2012
yep that was the one i was talking about
djdisbjohn 8:48 PM - 13 June, 2012
I should be getting mine either Friday or Monday. Can't wait
DJ freestylefrenzy 2:08 AM - 14 June, 2012
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hey guys I know a few of you have asked me to see how SERATO video works with the vci 380..
I did a quick demo of it for you guys...

the video is again blocked in some countries so hopefully it works for you guys...

dont mind the serato video demo watermark..I dont own serato video because I never VDJ...just a demo for some serato members...

enjoy

Watchwww.youtube.com

also this is the zhane FX mix as well if you havent seen it yet

Watchwww.youtube.com

one question, if you ever used the vci 300 you know the jog wheels have a different feel than the vci 300mkII.........how would you say the jog wheels on the vci 380 are? do the feel the same as the 300mkII? or are the a different feel?

thanks


Hey Joee,

I have owned a vci 300 mk 1 when it first got released but mine was a special white edition where the platters were flushed with no grooves..

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so to make a comparison with the vci 380 I feel it is much better...

in regards to the torque and touch sensitivity..I find that the vci 300 was much more responsive..but you cant go on that alone because different factors are involved..(itch 2.0 days, Ive had it for 2 years so I am used to it, and vci 380 2 weeks old so I havent tweaked it to my liking)

in regards to the physical traits..I find the 380 is much better built..I feel that it is built better..

Im not too sure what the vci 300 mk2 versions would be like..I havent touched one before..
KD1011 2:13 PM - 14 June, 2012
Any word on how accurate the pitch faders are at +/- 8%?
Joee 2:18 PM - 14 June, 2012
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Quote:
Quote:
hey guys I know a few of you have asked me to see how SERATO video works with the vci 380..
I did a quick demo of it for you guys...

the video is again blocked in some countries so hopefully it works for you guys...

dont mind the serato video demo watermark..I dont own serato video because I never VDJ...just a demo for some serato members...

enjoy

Watchwww.youtube.com

also this is the zhane FX mix as well if you havent seen it yet

Watchwww.youtube.com

one question, if you ever used the vci 300 you know the jog wheels have a different feel than the vci 300mkII.........how would you say the jog wheels on the vci 380 are? do the feel the same as the 300mkII? or are the a different feel?

thanks


Hey Joee,

I have owned a vci 300 mk 1 when it first got released but mine was a special white edition where the platters were flushed with no grooves..

www.facebook.com

so to make a comparison with the vci 380 I feel it is much better...

in regards to the torque and touch sensitivity..I find that the vci 300 was much more responsive..but you cant go on that alone because different factors are involved..(itch 2.0 days, Ive had it for 2 years so I am used to it, and vci 380 2 weeks old so I havent tweaked it to my liking)

in regards to the physical traits..I find the 380 is much better built..I feel that it is built better..

Im not too sure what the vci 300 mk2 versions would be like..I havent touched one before..

thanks man, for me the vci 300mkI had better jog wheels than the mkII it was more responsive like you said, i don't think i will like the 380 if it's anything like the mkII
BleepCore 3:18 PM - 14 June, 2012
Anyone have good VCI (preferably 380) scratch video links? I've searched and searched but all I can find are...beginner-level demos. Any veteran turntablists in this thread have an opinion on VCI scratching? I've been told it's do-able but I've yet to see someone prove it. =) I did see one guy do a pretty decent-but-simple beat juggling routine on a VCI (can't remember which model...)

So far the only really scratchable Itch controller I've seen is the V7/NS7.

Opinions? VCI = scratchable? scratchable but simple scratches only? I know the platters aren't motorized but that's an acceptable sacrifice considering it's fitting in my backpack. I'd go test one out but I currently spend most of my year in a 3rd-world country with no gear shops. =)
DJ CAPRO 3:27 PM - 14 June, 2012
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for me the vci 300mkI had better jog wheels than the mkII it was more responsive like you said, i don't think i will like the 380 if it's anything like the mkII


Eh? Nothing was changed on the jogwheels on the upgrade, must have been the settings.
Joee 3:33 PM - 14 June, 2012
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for me the vci 300mkI had better jog wheels than the mkII it was more responsive like you said, i don't think i will like the 380 if it's anything like the mkII


Eh? Nothing was changed on the jogwheels on the upgrade, must have been the settings.

the original vci jog was lighter, more of a plastic feel the newer felt heavy more metal feel
DJ CAPRO 3:40 PM - 14 June, 2012
If you take it all apart there is hardly any difference other than a new wire
Joee 3:44 PM - 14 June, 2012
do you have the mkI & mkII, if so please take the jog wheels off let me know if one is heavier? to me it feels that way
DJ CAPRO 3:51 PM - 14 June, 2012
Maybe you had dust in the MKII you were trying because they the exact same components.
DJ CAPRO 3:55 PM - 14 June, 2012
At any rate the 380's wheels look a lot more like the 400 and 100. Hopefully they don't lose any responsiveness.
DJ K-Ceaser 4:04 PM - 14 June, 2012
quote]Anyone have good VCI (preferably 380) scratch video links? I've searched and searched but all I can find are...beginner-level demos. Any veteran turntablists in this thread have an opinion on VCI scratching? I've been told it's do-able but I've yet to see someone prove it. =) I did see one guy do a pretty decent-but-simple beat juggling routine on a VCI (can't remember which model...)

So far the only really scratchable Itch controller I've seen is the V7/NS7.

Whats good it's ya boy Dj K-Ceaserrr! I found a vid on youtube with some pretty good scratching on the 380! Also he was using the Stock Fader. Check it out Peaceee

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Fitty 4:16 PM - 14 June, 2012
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do you have the mkI & mkII, if so please take the jog wheels off let me know if one is heavier? to me it feels that way

I have both, I put the mk1 platters on the mkii only because I felt the mki was broken in as far as the finishing paint goes
Joee 4:20 PM - 14 June, 2012
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do you have the mkI & mkII, if so please take the jog wheels off let me know if one is heavier? to me it feels that way

I have both, I put the mk1 platters on the mkii only because I felt the mki was broken in as far as the finishing paint goes

so is it just me than? or does the mkII jog feel different?
JDforKing 5:30 PM - 14 June, 2012
i've had both (mk1 and mk2). No really difference in the jog wheels for me.
djkrazyleo 9:40 PM - 14 June, 2012
+1
Joee 9:51 PM - 14 June, 2012
must have been the software than, the mkI responded better when skracth'n
DJ CAPRO 10:42 PM - 14 June, 2012
Could totally have been a defective unit or in need of setup adjustment. Some people have one side looser than the other.
Joee 10:49 PM - 14 June, 2012
maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables
Dj Fitty 10:55 PM - 14 June, 2012
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maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables

A DJ told me last night that he didn't like the scratching on 380 and was not even close to 300 and won't be wasting his money
Joee 11:00 PM - 14 June, 2012
that doesn't sound good, but i'll wait till i get my hands on one to see for myself
Qoolee Kid 11:01 PM - 14 June, 2012
if you guys are concerned about skratching... get turntables... if you want a controller to skratch on get the NS7. at least the 380 you can still connect an external source and you can use whatever you like to skratch on. there won't be a single product that's gonna be perfect in terms of what this person prefers or that person. if the 380 suits you and your style, cool, if not, that's cool too... there are plenty products and tools out there that you can custom to your liking.
Qoolee Kid 11:02 PM - 14 June, 2012
also, it's about adapting to using that new gear and new technology.. roll with the punches and adapt
DJ freestylefrenzy 12:08 AM - 15 June, 2012
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Anyone have good VCI (preferably 380) scratch video links? I've searched and searched but all I can find are...beginner-level demos. Any veteran turntablists in this thread have an opinion on VCI scratching? I've been told it's do-able but I've yet to see someone prove it. =) I did see one guy do a pretty decent-but-simple beat juggling routine on a VCI (can't remember which model...)

So far the only really scratchable Itch controller I've seen is the V7/NS7.

Opinions? VCI = scratchable? scratchable but simple scratches only? I know the platters aren't motorized but that's an acceptable sacrifice considering it's fitting in my backpack. I'd go test one out but I currently spend most of my year in a 3rd-world country with no gear shops. =)


haha..thats probably my vid...im not really a scratch dj so I can`t really give an informative response..love watching qbert vids all day long...maybe I should enroll in the skratch Univ..

but yeah to me I felt that the 380 platters are a little heavier than the 300 platters...maybe its just the feel of the metal chassis but to me I think it`ll just take a little getting used to..
DJ K-Ceaser 1:37 PM - 15 June, 2012
Whats good every 1 i found this vid on youtube of a DJ scratching on the 380 and it sounds good to me. Also he is using the stock fader check it out. Also shout out to freestyle frenzy for posting all those great vids about the 380 even though i was jealous that he got it so Early lol still waiting here in Indiana hopefully soon Peace! Watchwww.youtube.com
damehype 2:15 PM - 15 June, 2012
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maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables

A DJ told me last night that he didn't like the scratching on 380 and was not even close to 300 and won't be wasting his money


Was it Brasko?
Maskrider 3:07 PM - 15 June, 2012
I'm wasting my money on a VCI380....There you go I said it.
DJ CAPRO 3:22 PM - 15 June, 2012
^ if the wheels are as sharp, and I can't install my Innofader, and my VFX-1 becomes a full price paperweight... then I'm starting to consider going back to Rane :(

maybe if a evidence of someone actually working on the effects will.. sigh.. nah, Serato is laughing either way
DJ CAPRO 3:22 PM - 15 June, 2012
*wheels AREN'T as sharp,...
WarpNote 3:40 PM - 15 June, 2012
Whats the feel of the pitch slider, light like CDJ or firmer like a tech 1200 ?
DJ freestylefrenzy 4:26 PM - 15 June, 2012
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Whats good every 1 i found this vid on youtube of a DJ scratching on the 380 and it sounds good to me. Also he is using the stock fader check it out. Also shout out to freestyle frenzy for posting all those great vids about the 380 even though i was jealous that he got it so Early lol still waiting here in Indiana hopefully soon Peace! Watchwww.youtube.com


thanks k...

definitely looking forward to your vids once you get your "baby"...
Tomorrow I`ll be taking it out for its first spin out the house on a boat party..ill give you guys feedback on the sound quality etc...

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Brian J 5:32 PM - 15 June, 2012
Maaaaaan! I knew one way or another I was going to grab one.. I had an "offer I could refuse"( with godfader voice).. plus I sold my 300 for a decent amount. And you know what since I was on a roll I upgraded the fader to CF- X2:-D

First impressions:

THE GOOD

- The pads are a LOT of fun. The only thing I can't really understand how to use the slicer effectively but I'll get there eventually... Pad FX are dope. Now we really need better FXs for itch!

- The layout is extremely simple and well thought out. There is everything you need and nothing you don't.

- Soundcard is puncy with plenty of volume for the headphones and the outputs. Definitely a step up for anything this small.

- The upgraded fader is butter smooth!

- Build quality is exceptional. Well done Vestax!

THE BAD

- Itch for the vci 380 now crashes when closing the app

- Few glitches here and there could been avoided with a more stable release.

All in all I really like the 380. Now is serato turn make a software that matches the quality of the hardware..
DJ K-Ceaser 6:58 PM - 15 June, 2012
Yoo Greetings from Gary, Indiana USA! Just got the Word from the Guitar Center! My 380 has arrived! Gotta big gig tonight so this will b my weapon of choice. Sorry Rane 62 and my cdj 2000 but u can have the night off lol. I will let u all know how it went down Holla!
djdisbjohn 7:05 PM - 15 June, 2012
just picked mine up as well. distilleryimage1.instagram.com
DJ MDX 7:06 PM - 15 June, 2012
That's pretty good because GC does not even list the VCI-380 on their website...smdh @ that!
Maskrider 7:34 PM - 15 June, 2012
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just picked mine up as well. distilleryimage1.instagram.com


Another lucky bastard.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 8:43 PM - 15 June, 2012
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just picked mine up as well. distilleryimage1.instagram.com


Congrats from GC too?
ernie 9:12 PM - 15 June, 2012
Mine will arrive on monday..
Dj Fitty 10:16 PM - 15 June, 2012
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maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables

A DJ told me last night that he didn't like the scratching on 380 and was not even close to 300 and won't be wasting his money


Was it Brasko?

Dammmmn, you know Brasko?
Dj Fitty 10:46 PM - 15 June, 2012
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maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables

A DJ told me last night that he didn't like the scratching on 380 and was not even close to 300 and won't be wasting his money


Was it Brasko?

Dammmmn, you know Brasko?[/quote

And no
damehype 2:51 PM - 16 June, 2012
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maybe, i hope the vci 380 has the right feel, if not i might just get a pioneer ddj s1 for those lazy days that i don't want to lug turntables

A DJ told me last night that he didn't like the scratching on 380 and was not even close to 300 and won't be wasting his money


Was it Brasko?

Dammmmn, you know Brasko?[/quote

And no


Yeah, he was the only one I know that had access to one here in Houston. He brought it by the club couple of weeks ago. I didn't get a chance to mess with it but he said he wasn't too impressed. He didn't like that the mic had no EQ control. Said it sounded "hollow".
dj_eddie_gr 6:02 AM - 17 June, 2012
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Any word on how accurate the pitch faders are at +/- 8%?

I don't like the pitch resolution at all !!! It is like 0.02 or sometimes 0.04 when in +/-8%. It definitely needs a +/-4% pitch range !!!!
KD1011 6:08 AM - 17 June, 2012
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Any word on how accurate the pitch faders are at +/- 8%?

I don't like the pitch resolution at all !!! It is like 0.02 or sometimes 0.04 when in +/-8%. It definitely needs a +/-4% pitch range !!!!



That's awful news!

Eugh, I hope they add it soon....
ReyKwon 10:03 AM - 17 June, 2012
here's another vid of someone doing some quick scratching. Looks ok to me. www.youtube.com
[O/][iii][O/] 11:39 AM - 17 June, 2012
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Any word on how accurate the pitch faders are at +/- 8%?

I don't like the pitch resolution at all !!! It is like 0.02 or sometimes 0.04 when in +/-8%. It definitely needs a +/-4% pitch range !!!!


Yikes! WTF?
[O/][iii][O/] 12:05 PM - 17 June, 2012
I just heard that the 380 doesn't have split cue? Someone please tell me this is just bad info and not true. That would be as stupid as not including a booth output as other manufacturers neglected to do.
phatbob 2:22 PM - 17 June, 2012
The 57 doesn't have split cue. Pretty sure that was reasonably successful for Rane.
[O/][iii][O/] 6:37 PM - 17 June, 2012
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The 57 doesn't have split cue. Pretty sure that was reasonably successful for Rane.


And passed on by many who need it.
phatbob 7:10 PM - 17 June, 2012
And therein lies the beauty of consumer choice.
[O/][iii][O/] 9:36 PM - 17 June, 2012
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Yup, and a beautiful thing it is :-)
Dj Nyce 11:27 PM - 17 June, 2012
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I just heard that the 380 doesn't have split cue? Someone please tell me this is just bad info and not true. That would be as stupid as not including a booth output as other manufacturers neglected to do.


after getting the 57 i bitched and moaned about not having split cue. when i got the sixty-two i jumped for joy and have only used split cue once or twice.
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 1:22 AM - 18 June, 2012
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after getting the 57 i bitched and moaned about not having split cue. when i got the sixty-two i jumped for joy and have only used split cue once or twice.


I have never used it. Oh the joy of coming from vinyl!!!!
DJ MDX 4:56 PM - 18 June, 2012
They are now coming into stock across the US, I gues it depends how far you are away from the main distributor some have them from as as today to as late as Wed. - Happy shopping!
james.park 5:18 PM - 18 June, 2012
Mine is shipping out today from thedjhookup.com. I can't wait!
Qoolee Kid 5:20 PM - 18 June, 2012
DJ MDX 5:25 PM - 18 June, 2012
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Mine is shipping out today from thedjhookup.com. I can't wait!


Ncie - Here is a direct link to it - makes it a little easier to find ;-)

thedjhookup.com
DJ MDX 5:25 PM - 18 June, 2012


I hope they know on that link it's $100 more than everywhere else...
Qoolee Kid 5:29 PM - 18 June, 2012
so it's only $800???
Qoolee Kid 5:39 PM - 18 June, 2012
whoops... not $800 haha $900??
JDforKing 5:42 PM - 18 June, 2012
Many places have sold it for 899. Most of the places i saw on ebay last week had it for 899.
DJ MDX 5:52 PM - 18 June, 2012
Yep, I think MAP is $899.99 ;-)
DJ K-Ceaser 8:58 PM - 18 June, 2012
What's good! It's ya boy DJ K K K K-Ceaserrrr. Here is a little vid I made after I picked up the Vestax VCI 380 check it out!!
DJ K-Ceaser 9:01 PM - 18 June, 2012
Lol well here it is ^^^

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ K-Ceaser 9:12 PM - 18 June, 2012
Here is another vid of me installing the CFX2 crossfader!

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:46 PM - 18 June, 2012
dang now im really jealous
DJ K-Ceaser 1:01 AM - 19 June, 2012
YOOOO CHECK OUT MY Vid DID a TEST run for all my SERATO Brothers and Sisters!!! LETZZZ GO!!!!!
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ freestylefrenzy 9:12 AM - 19 June, 2012
K!!

welcome to club bro!!!sick vids so far...thinking of getting the cfx2..how was the installation??pretty straightforward??
DJ K-Ceaser 9:52 AM - 19 June, 2012
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K!!

welcome to club bro!!!sick vids so far...thinking of getting the cfx2..how was the installation??pretty straightforward??


Freestyle what's up Bro! Thanks! Oh yeah it was very easy and it's worth it!! Most def something that I would Recommend for all!!!
DJ K-Ceaser 11:06 AM - 19 June, 2012
I also checked out this vid first for a refrence.
Watchwww.youtube.com
ernie 3:54 PM - 19 June, 2012
mine arrived yesterday heres my video using pad effects

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:44 PM - 19 June, 2012
Congrats Ernie. Can you use your old Vci case with the 380?
Maskrider 6:34 PM - 19 June, 2012
nice now everybody has one except me
ernie 9:36 PM - 19 June, 2012
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Congrats Ernie. Can you use your old Vci case with the 380?


Thanks! yes it will fit just slice the rubber on the side a little bit..heres the pic

i221.photobucket.com
Ragman 5:19 AM - 20 June, 2012
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YOOOO CHECK OUT MY Vid DID a TEST run for all my SERATO Brothers and Sisters!!! LETZZZ GO!!!!!
Watchwww.youtube.com

Nice bro. Way to rep G.I. I'll be there for the 4th of July holiday. Where are you giggin' at these days?
DJ K-Ceaser 11:13 AM - 20 June, 2012
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YOOOO CHECK OUT MY Vid DID a TEST run for all my SERATO Brothers and Sisters!!! LETZZZ GO!!!!!
Watchwww.youtube.com

Nice bro. Way to rep G.I. I'll be there for the 4th of July holiday. Where are you giggin' at these days?


Ragman What's Up!!! Thanks for the compliment and you know I gotta Rep GI all day lol! You can catch me everywhere rocking the party however I wil be out of town in New Orleans for the 4th through the weekend, but if u are here on the 3rd I will be at the Omega Psi Phi All White Party at the Aquitorium located at Miller Beach. So if u can come out it's going to be a great time. For any other events checkout my Facebook. Facebook.com/DJKCeaser. Peaceee!
Serato, Forum Moderator
Logan D 11:41 AM - 20 June, 2012
Rockin' those PadFX K-Ceaser ;)
DJ K-Ceaser 1:39 PM - 20 June, 2012
Oh yeahhhhhh! @ Logan! I'm loving those Pads lol.
DJ MDX 12:42 AM - 21 June, 2012
So I finally had some time to just plug it in & put it in a case.
Looks pretty good if I do say so myself!

p.twimg.com
JDforKing 1:21 AM - 21 June, 2012
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So I finally had some time to just plug it in & put it in a case.
Looks pretty good if I do say so myself!

p.twimg.com


Is that the same case you used for your vci 300?
DJ MDX 1:33 AM - 21 June, 2012
Yes, it is - it fits a little tight but no cutting at all. I would put it in at an angle
For example from the end closest to you then drop the back in and give slight pressure and slides right in ;-)

One more heads up, the slider has some pads under it for support, these may need to be removed since they fall in the path of the parameter knobs and pitch slider on either side.

I have the case that has the keyboard tray slider at the bottom - I like this because I can have 2 HD's down there Velcro'd to it and just slide in & out for connection/removal.
DJ MDX 1:47 AM - 21 June, 2012
Actually you are going to have to cut some at the very back of the case. I forgot it has the Cue/Master knobs at the front of the unit which get caught on the front case plate when putting it back on for storage/travel.....sorry.

However, cut the pieces clean and save them to glue back in at the opposite side (front) to fit it back in nice and snug...
Nikefutbolero 11:00 AM - 21 June, 2012
Question, how precise are the pitch faders for manually beat matching? I dont have a controller yet but want to learn to manually beat match.
DJ MDX 3:01 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Question, how precise are the pitch faders for manually beat matching? I dont have a controller yet but want to learn to manually beat match.


I don't mean to be a thorn or sound rude to anyone but I've never had an issue mixing with any controller or player. I started on vinyl and if you know vinyl you know there is a lot of drift and 0 or +/- 2 doesn't always mean that on each device.

Now with the VCI-380, I mixed for a little while yesterday, due to other commitments, and the time I manually mixed (I don't use sync) it worked just fine. I kept it at +/- 8 resolution so it worked just fine. I think with any linear fader type midi controller you’re only going to get so much precision because everyone's different "pressure" in strength and movement. The most precision you'll get is in a rotary pitch controller, (ala Xone:DX) - even on my Pio's the pitch sliders are very touchy. So the best judge is always your ears.

I will test the accuracy of both sides tonight with the same song for any drift at the same slider measurement for each.
JDforKing 3:43 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Question, how precise are the pitch faders for manually beat matching? I dont have a controller yet but want to learn to manually beat match.


I don't mean to be a thorn or sound rude to anyone but I've never had an issue mixing with any controller or player. I started on vinyl and if you know vinyl you know there is a lot of drift and 0 or +/- 2 doesn't always mean that on each device.

Now with the VCI-380, I mixed for a little while yesterday, due to other commitments, and the time I manually mixed (I don't use sync) it worked just fine. I kept it at +/- 8 resolution so it worked just fine. I think with any linear fader type midi controller you’re only going to get so much precision because everyone's different "pressure" in strength and movement. The most precision you'll get is in a rotary pitch controller, (ala Xone:DX) - even on my Pio's the pitch sliders are very touchy. So the best judge is always your ears.

I will test the accuracy of both sides tonight with the same song for any drift at the same slider measurement for each.


+1000000
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 4:56 PM - 21 June, 2012
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I don't mean to be a thorn or sound rude to anyone but I've never had an issue mixing with any controller or player. I started on vinyl and if you know vinyl you know there is a lot of drift and 0 or +/- 2 doesn't always mean that on each device.



Once again the joy of coming from vinyl. Things like this are of no consequence!!!!!!
ernie 5:41 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Question, how precise are the pitch faders for manually beat matching? I dont have a controller yet but want to learn to manually beat match.


I don't mean to be a thorn or sound rude to anyone but I've never had an issue mixing with any controller or player. I started on vinyl and if you know vinyl you know there is a lot of drift and 0 or +/- 2 doesn't always mean that on each device.

Now with the VCI-380, I mixed for a little while yesterday, due to other commitments, and the time I manually mixed (I don't use sync) it worked just fine. I kept it at +/- 8 resolution so it worked just fine. I think with any linear fader type midi controller you’re only going to get so much precision because everyone's different "pressure" in strength and movement. The most precision you'll get is in a rotary pitch controller, (ala Xone:DX) - even on my Pio's the pitch sliders are very touchy. So the best judge is always your ears.

I will test the accuracy of both sides tonight with the same song for any drift at the same slider measurement for each.



I agree mix with your ears not with your eyes
DJ K-Ceaser 6:40 PM - 21 June, 2012
Whatzzz GOOD Every 1 Check out my NEW VID!!! DJ K-Ceaser VS THE VESTAX VCI 380 ROUND 2! N-JOY!!!! Watchwww.youtube.com
Solidsnake 8:21 PM - 21 June, 2012
Mine came in today, gigging tonight cannot wait!
james.park 8:28 PM - 21 June, 2012
Received mine as well! If you're in San Francisco, I'll play it out tomorrow at 800 Larkin Club (@O'Farrell) 6-10PM if you'd like to check it out.
Maskrider 9:01 PM - 21 June, 2012
I'll have mine on Tuesday next week....lol
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 2:24 PM - 22 June, 2012
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Whatzzz GOOD Every 1 Check out my NEW VID!!! DJ K-Ceaser VS THE VESTAX VCI 380 ROUND 2! N-JOY!!!! Watchwww.youtube.com


K_Ceaser you are doing the dang thang!!!!!!!!!
DJ K-Ceaser 2:35 PM - 22 June, 2012
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Whatzzz GOOD Every 1 Check out my NEW VID!!! DJ K-Ceaser VS THE VESTAX VCI 380 ROUND 2! N-JOY!!!! Watchwww.youtube.com


K_Ceaser you are doing the dang thang!!!!!!!!!



Dj Kelly Web! What's Good Man. Thanks for the love homey. I just appreciate u all taking your time to check out my vids Peaceee!
|DJSIGMA| 6:05 PM - 22 June, 2012
can't wait for this to come out :)
Ragman 6:59 PM - 22 June, 2012
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YOOOO CHECK OUT MY Vid DID a TEST run for all my SERATO Brothers and Sisters!!! LETZZZ GO!!!!!
Watchwww.youtube.com

Nice bro. Way to rep G.I. I'll be there for the 4th of July holiday. Where are you giggin' at these days?


Ragman What's Up!!! Thanks for the compliment and you know I gotta Rep GI all day lol! You can catch me everywhere rocking the party however I wil be out of town in New Orleans for the 4th through the weekend, but if u are here on the 3rd I will be at the Omega Psi Phi All White Party at the Aquitorium located at Miller Beach. So if u can come out it's going to be a great time. For any other events checkout my Facebook. Facebook.com/DJKCeaser. Peaceee!


I'll just miss it as I'm arriving in town on the 4th. I haven't been to Miller Beach in ages. Another time perhaps.
DJ K-Ceaser 8:53 PM - 22 June, 2012
That's what's good. Maybe next time I'll be rocking somewhere when your in town well enjoy yourself peace.
Djkom 3:34 PM - 28 June, 2012
Let's vote guys !

www.polljunkie.com

Then Serato will realize our concerns
Ragman 5:33 PM - 28 June, 2012
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Let's vote guys !

www.polljunkie.com

Then Serato will realize our concerns

You should create a dedicated thread to this ....
DJ K-Ceaser 1:54 AM - 29 June, 2012
Extra Sexy MIX lol Check it out Peace!
Watchwww.youtube.com
WarpNote 8:03 AM - 29 June, 2012
Sorry about double posting, just thought Id reach more 380 users in this thread.
Any of you guys tried mapping with SSL yet? > serato.com
Would be cool to run it with an SL card, as I prefer SSL over Itch.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 8:08 AM - 29 June, 2012
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Sorry about double posting, just thought Id reach more 380 users in this thread.
Any of you guys tried mapping with SSL yet? > serato.com
Would be cool to run it with an SL card, as I prefer SSL over Itch.


Hi all,
We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.

I will send a post when available.

Cheers,
WarpNote 8:18 AM - 29 June, 2012
Yay! Thanks Jerome, gonna start saving up for the light setup then :-)
RiddimE 1:22 PM - 29 June, 2012
@ Jerome
Are you saying SSL control is coming to the VCI-380 using an SL box?
Help 1:55 PM - 29 June, 2012
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Sorry about double posting, just thought Id reach more 380 users in this thread.
Any of you guys tried mapping with SSL yet? > serato.com
Would be cool to run it with an SL card, as I prefer SSL over Itch.


Hi all,
We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.

I will send a post when available.

Cheers,


How will the looping behave with SSL mapping? Like normal in SSL and ITCH when using NS6, NS7, V7, VCI-300, etc. or will it be this crazy jumping hot cue looping mess that the VCI-380 has created?
phatbob 1:59 PM - 29 June, 2012
It will function in the same way as every other midi controller does with Scratch Live.
Help 2:08 PM - 29 June, 2012
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It will function in the same way as every other midi controller does with Scratch Live.


So if I wire a $900 SL4 box to a $1K VCI-380 I'll be able to gain traditional stored loop functionality?
WarpNote 2:45 PM - 29 June, 2012
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So if I wire a $900 SL4 box to a $1K VCI-380 I'll be able to gain traditional stored loop functionality?

That, plus the SSL stability, Bridge functionality, the internal SSL FX & MixEmergency if you prefer.
However, as the VCI 380 is 2 channel only, you dont need no SL4, the SL2 or even the SL1 will do just fine.

I do agree that they should work on manual loops with Itch and the 380.
But I still think I might prefer using it with SSL over Itch.
yeahdef 2:51 PM - 29 June, 2012
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We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.


Great news! that's awesome!
XRM5 2:59 PM - 29 June, 2012
Serato needs to put the Slicer in SL now.
J.J. 4:00 PM - 29 June, 2012
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Sorry about double posting, just thought Id reach more 380 users in this thread.
Any of you guys tried mapping with SSL yet? > serato.com
Would be cool to run it with an SL card, as I prefer SSL over Itch.


Hi all,
We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.

I will send a post when available.

Cheers,

What about a proper CUE button like the DN-HC4500? When Paused, it creates a CUE. When playing it jumps to the cue.

You should program the loops to:
Reloop Button A
Instead of Loop On/Off just to piss everyone off... and keep it consistent with Itch. LOL

When are we getting MIDI Out in SSL so we can see LED feedback?
benictrs 4:49 PM - 29 June, 2012
Please corect me if i'm wrong because i understand that the midi map wil include the jogs alsoo to use for scratching in internal mode ???like on the cdj's hid ? without the use of an external player cdj/ttx using timecode ??? this would be a dream comming true , i buy a sl2 (because my sl4 is to big to cary around) and i'm ready to roll .
XRM5 4:56 PM - 29 June, 2012
Vestax is singlehandedly fusing Itch & Scratch Live as much as is possible without Serato's help.

Of course if the platters are sending MIDI instead of HID in Sl the control probably won't be as fast & tight.
WarpNote 4:56 PM - 29 June, 2012
SL4 to big? LOL....
I carry it every weekend, same size as the old SL1,
and that thing has been carried a few miles around the globe... (In general)
phatbob 5:03 PM - 29 June, 2012
I wouldn't suggest anyone gets too excited about this mapping.

People have already mapped the jogs, they aren't as responsive as in Itch.

And SL has no midi out, so nothing is going to light up in a useful fashion. The jog wheel indicators won't reflect anything either.

It's a nice little add-on, but it's not like an HID solution.
benictrs 5:06 PM - 29 June, 2012
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I wouldn't suggest anyone gets too excited about this mapping.

People have already mapped the jogs, they aren't as responsive as in Itch.

And SL has no midi out, so nothing is going to light up in a useful fashion. The jog wheel indicators won't reflect anything either.

It's a nice little add-on, but it's not like an HID solution.


At least leave us with the mirage :(
phatbob 5:10 PM - 29 June, 2012
Sorry ;-)
Qoolee Kid 5:15 PM - 29 June, 2012
i remember when the map for the DN-MC6000 became available for SSL, there were issues with it LEDs not lighting up. the work around was installing traktor (since the MC6000 was compatible with both) starting up traktor and pushing all the buttons so they light up and that was the work around to get the LEDs working.

maybe it could be a similar solution with the 380, but instead of opening traktor, you open ITCH.
WarpNote 5:26 PM - 29 June, 2012
Not so sure running itch and SSL on the same computer at once would be a good idea ;)
Qoolee Kid 5:28 PM - 29 June, 2012
well you would have to keep it open, you can open it just to toggle the LEDs then close ITCH as long as SSL is open
Qoolee Kid 5:29 PM - 29 June, 2012
**wouldn't** have to keep it open
WarpNote 5:32 PM - 29 June, 2012
I think you'd encounter some conflict when hitting the 380 buttons, due to native mapping in itch.
The 380 usb cable would need to be connected.... We'll know once it drops though...

Also, I thought the 380 leds powered down when closing itch?
Qoolee Kid 5:33 PM - 29 June, 2012
also there were videos of people running the NS6 with ITCH and bouncing back and forth with SSL, but of course with external sources hooked up for the SSL aspect.
Qoolee Kid 5:34 PM - 29 June, 2012
it's just a concept.. not even for sure it would work in the first place. just giving an example of the MC6000 and how they worked around the LED issue with traktor -> SSL ...maybe it'll be the same, maybe not... we'll just have to wait and find out what's really going on this this official SSL Map
Maskrider 6:50 PM - 29 June, 2012
The guys from Vestax should make this one right if not this thread will blow up with bunch of complains.
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:01 PM - 1 July, 2012
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The guys from ''SERATO'' should make this one right if not this thread will blow up with bunch of complains.


Fixed
Maskrider 2:20 AM - 2 July, 2012
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The guys from ''SERATO'' should make this one right if not this thread will blow up with bunch of complains.


Fixed



lol
J.J. 4:03 PM - 2 July, 2012
I have a very hare time getting ITCH to load with the VCI-380. Windows 7 64-bit. The software seems to load, then says "Itch (not responding)." I have to turn the VCI-380 off and run the Itch software... wait for it to crash (not load), right click close window. Hit yes for another warning and start Itch again. After about the 5th time, Itch loads and then I can turn on my VCI-380 and hope it doesn't crash.

I finally got it to run for 30 minutes without a crash last night, then the audio on the right deck had static playing. As soon as I Cued the Left Deck to play, it went away. Weird that it went away when both were playing. I went to change the latency. I was at 2 buffer. It wouldn't let me go to 1 so I tried to go to 3 and it crashed. Crazy frustrating.

I didn't believe all the complaints were that bad. However, it's worse than that. When can we expect an update Serato? I can't even review this unit without the software not running. It currently gets a 1 out of 10 because the Hardware is nice. Is the only other option is to drop $500 on SL2 and have no LED feedback?
Qoolee Kid 4:15 PM - 2 July, 2012
Quote:
I have a very hare time getting ITCH to load with the VCI-380. Windows 7 64-bit. The software seems to load, then says "Itch (not responding)." I have to turn the VCI-380 off and run the Itch software... wait for it to crash (not load), right click close window. Hit yes for another warning and start Itch again. After about the 5th time, Itch loads and then I can turn on my VCI-380 and hope it doesn't crash.

I finally got it to run for 30 minutes without a crash last night, then the audio on the right deck had static playing. As soon as I Cued the Left Deck to play, it went away. Weird that it went away when both were playing. I went to change the latency. I was at 2 buffer. It wouldn't let me go to 1 so I tried to go to 3 and it crashed. Crazy frustrating.

I didn't believe all the complaints were that bad. However, it's worse than that. When can we expect an update Serato? I can't even review this unit without the software not running. It currently gets a 1 out of 10 because the Hardware is nice. Is the only other option is to drop $500 on SL2 and have no LED feedback?


usually when ITCH crashes it's because there's a corrupt file in your library. copy your serato backup folder (just place it on your desktop) and then delete the original folders. open ITCH without the VCI or any hardware connected and analyze your files. once it's done try connecting your VCI and starting up ITCH again. see if that works.
J.J. 4:42 PM - 2 July, 2012
It's my Scratch Live Library. I will try this. Thanks.

Why would it crash on Itch and not Scratch Live. Beat-grids? I have Ableton Live with Beat-Grids on in SSL.

The gains are at 12:00 and the Limiter comes on every-time I mix. Anyway to turn up the volume in the headphones and turn down the gains to prevent the limiter?
spicaly 4:51 PM - 2 July, 2012
if anyone is looking to buy one, not sure if allowed to post this, but pssl is doing a %15 off making it $764.99 if you get the free shipping and no tax
phatbob 5:19 PM - 2 July, 2012
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Why would it crash on Itch and not Scratch Live. Beat-grids? I have Ableton Live with Beat-Grids on in SSL.


What version of SSL you running dude?


Quote:
The gains are at 12:00 and the Limiter comes on every-time I mix. Anyway to turn up the volume in the headphones and turn down the gains to prevent the limiter?


Cue Overdrive in the settings. Although if you can't enough cue level with that set to minimum, you are either worryingly deaf or your headphones are shit.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:25 PM - 2 July, 2012
ya ITCH is SHITE on PC! i have tried the cleanest of windows installs and all tweeks and its just soo buggy but then on my mac it runs sweet! and scratchlive runs 100% fine on the pc and mac, there seems tobe memory issues in itch for pc. most people will think its fine but i can see a massive performance diff from itch and ssl on pc even in the offline player.

But i do not get crashes all the time with itch but yes it can crash and i can easily make it crash but with ssl thats not the case.

But all that said there are many people that are very happy how itch runs on PC side.
Maskrider 3:37 AM - 3 July, 2012
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ya ITCH is SHITE on PC! i have tried the cleanest of windows installs and all tweeks and its just soo buggy but then on my mac it runs sweet! and scratchlive runs 100% fine on the pc and mac, there seems tobe memory issues in itch for pc. most people will think its fine but i can see a massive performance diff from itch and ssl on pc even in the offline player.

But i do not get crashes all the time with itch but yes it can crash and i can easily make it crash but with ssl thats not the case.

But all that said there are many people that are very happy how itch runs on PC side.


This is the same reason i bought a MAC
pdidy 11:00 PM - 3 July, 2012
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ya ITCH is SHITE on PC! i have tried the cleanest of windows installs and all tweeks and its just soo buggy but then on my mac it runs sweet! and scratchlive runs 100% fine on the pc and mac, there seems tobe memory issues in itch for pc. most people will think its fine but i can see a massive performance diff from itch and ssl on pc even in the offline player.

But i do not get crashes all the time with itch but yes it can crash and i can easily make it crash but with ssl thats not the case.

But all that said there are many people that are very happy how itch runs on PC side.


This is the same reason i bought a MAC

I've been saying this since 2005 when the vci-300 first came out. I IMMEDIATLY switched to a MAC.......I still test and tweak on PC's for fun doe....lol
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 9:48 AM - 5 July, 2012
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Hi all,
We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.

I will send a post when available.


Hi all,
We're having some delays with making the mapping, mainly due to some difficulties to make an elegant workflow with pads.
Sorry for having been too much optimistic in my previous post.

Cheers,
J.J. 3:41 PM - 5 July, 2012
Here are my delays with a SSL mapping.

Mapping the Pitch Slider is all over the place. How do you do it Jerome?

The 4 buttons on the top (Hot Cue, Slicer, Auto Loop & Roll) do not give a different MIDI Layer for the 8 Trigger Pads. SSL does not support layers (modifiers) unless you hold down a button. Jerome, can there be a firmware update to allow different MIDI layers for the 4 buttons (Hot Cue, Slicer etc.)?
wadup 4:52 PM - 5 July, 2012
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Quote:
Hi all,
We are working on a SSL mapping and will be able to release it next week.
The mapping will include the browsing area, scratching by jogwheels, browsing, Cues, auto Loop, Roll, Channel FX and of course the Pad FX.

I will send a post when available.


Hi all,
We're having some delays with making the mapping, mainly due to some difficulties to make an elegant workflow with pads.
Sorry for having been too much optimistic in my previous post.

Cheers,



I think the best thing to do is pay for native support with ssl, you be surprise how many dj would take this controller to their gigs to use with ssl.... midi mapping alone on ur own is not going to cut it
for most people... overall response of the controller won't be the same when you compare to native support
DJ CAPRO 6:14 PM - 5 July, 2012
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I think the best thing to do is pay for native support with ssl, you be surprise how many dj would take this controller to their gigs to use with ssl.... midi mapping alone on ur own is not going to cut it for most people... overall response of the controller won't be the same when you compare to native support


For obvious business reasons you'll never be able to run SSL without Rane hardware.

If i had three wishes one of them would be for Rane and Vestax to combine to make an SSL controller together. Vestax is the best at everything that Rane doesn't cover.

As far as the 2 pieces of software goes, it's obvious who gets the breadwinner treatment...
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 1:09 AM - 6 July, 2012
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Here are my delays with a SSL mapping.

Mapping the Pitch Slider is all over the place. How do you do it Jerome?

The 4 buttons on the top (Hot Cue, Slicer, Auto Loop & Roll) do not give a different MIDI Layer for the 8 Trigger Pads. SSL does not support layers (modifiers) unless you hold down a button. Jerome, can there be a firmware update to allow different MIDI layers for the 4 buttons (Hot Cue, Slicer etc.)?


The Pitch sliders will work perfectly on our mapping don't worry.
We mainly face extra delays by creating modifiers for the Pads (due to the lack of layers), but it should be ok.

Because this mapping will come a bit later, I would suggest to use this time to grab more ideas.
We really want to make a mapping that make everyone happy, so please feel free to input here your suggestion and expectations!

Lookin' forward,
Cheers
wadup 1:22 AM - 6 July, 2012
is the pitch bending working like it does in itch when jog are set to scratch?
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 1:29 AM - 6 July, 2012
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is the pitch bending working like it does in itch when jog are set to scratch?


At this time, no (no modifier in Scratch Live!); however we'll look after to fix it.
J.J. 4:21 AM - 6 July, 2012
The Jog Pitch Bend or Scratch works in my XML.

It's similar to the one I used on the DN-SC2000 and SSL. www.poweronplay.com
wadup 5:03 AM - 6 July, 2012
^^^ nice... I'm gonna check it out tommorow just gotta figure out how to get the pitch slider to work now
Solidsnake 5:17 AM - 6 July, 2012
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Quote:
Here are my delays with a SSL mapping.

Mapping the Pitch Slider is all over the place. How do you do it Jerome?

The 4 buttons on the top (Hot Cue, Slicer, Auto Loop & Roll) do not give a different MIDI Layer for the 8 Trigger Pads. SSL does not support layers (modifiers) unless you hold down a button. Jerome, can there be a firmware update to allow different MIDI layers for the 4 buttons (Hot Cue, Slicer etc.)?


The Pitch sliders will work perfectly on our mapping don't worry.
We mainly face extra delays by creating modifiers for the Pads (due to the lack of layers), but it should be ok.

Because this mapping will come a bit later, I would suggest to use this time to grab more ideas.
We really want to make a mapping that make everyone happy, so please feel free to input here your suggestion and expectations!

Lookin' forward,
Cheers


Please please please please figure out something to reverse the crossfader to hamster style in Scratch Live, or better yet in Analog mixer mode, this has been the only downfall for me of the 380 so far, works great in ITCH with it reversed, but I want to use it beyond ITCH and this would be very very useful! :(
J.J. 6:57 AM - 6 July, 2012
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<Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="8" event_type="Note On" control="26" key="ctrl" />


The key="ctrl" is a layer (don't have to hold it down). It tells SSL to switch from a Scratch Platter to a Jog Wheel. I have been experimenting for hours trying to get it to work with the 4 buttons (Hot Cue, Slicer etc.) with no success.

What data type do you use for the Pitch Slider?

None of these work:
data_type="Absolute 7" control="45" />
data_type="Relative Signed Bit" control="45" />
data_type="Relative Binary Offset" control="45" />
data_type="Relative 2&apos;s Complement" control="45" />
data_type="Relative OnOff" control="45" />
|DJSIGMA| 5:06 PM - 13 July, 2012
Mac Book Pro is always the standard in digital djing cause its more reliable then a pc
can't wait for VCI-380
BBN 10:18 PM - 30 July, 2012
Still no mapping?
benictrs 10:38 PM - 30 July, 2012
where is that mapping ? still no news ? realy hope al this time you are taking will be noticed in a pretty awesome mapping . Otherwise . . . realy dunno :(
DJ K-Ceaser 6:29 AM - 7 August, 2012
Yooo! Just got my 2nd VCI 380 and its Working Currently at A Flawless Pace No Headphone Bleeding or Platter Problems! I hope this one works out because I Love this SYSTEM!!! Best Controller out by far.
DJ K-Ceaser 6:33 AM - 7 August, 2012
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Yooo! Just got my 2nd VCI 380 and its Working Currently at A Flawless Pace No Headphone Bleeding or Platter Problems! I hope this one works out because I Love this SYSTEM!!! Best Controller out by far.


And to be Honest I haven't pulled out my Rane 62 and CDJ 2000's since I got the vci 380! It brings back a youthful joy of djing to me if that makes since lol Peace!!!
DJ freestylefrenzy 2:18 PM - 7 August, 2012
ceaser, what type of headphone bleeding did you have??

great unit I agree...

whens the next vid coming out??
DJ K-Ceaser 3:24 PM - 7 August, 2012
Yo Mr.Frenzy what's going on Bro! Man It didn't matter which cue I pushed when I increased the headphone volume the other deck would creep in. And if I maxed the headphone volume u could hear the music from the other side of the cross fader faintly in the background' it was rough lol! But the new one I just received is All to the Good! R u still overseas how's the scene out there.
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 12:51 AM - 8 August, 2012
K-Ceaserrrrrrrr we are waiting on another video! Did you really put down the 62? I don't know my brother that's 2 grand collecting dust. I just wished that itch worked with M.E>
djallstyle 2:24 AM - 8 August, 2012
My 380 has been working pretty well too. a few things here & there. overall best unit hands down. So far, nothing a turn on/off couldnt fix. My radio mixes have changed drastically. plus I can still use my vfx1 w/it!!! Flawless!!!! It can only get better w/ software & firmware update. As a soundcard for my Mac, its very very loud.. i assume thatll be fixed w/ updates... #Let'sWork!!!
DJ K-Ceaser 1:39 PM - 8 August, 2012
What's good Kelz! I feel u lol well not completely but I have significantly decreased the usage new vid coming mad soon though! And yo All-Style did u recently use it on Ur mid-day mix I thought I heard some traces of it.
djallstyle 11:39 PM - 8 August, 2012
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What's good Kelz! I feel u lol well not completely but I have significantly decreased the usage new vid coming mad soon though! And yo All-Style did u recently use it on Ur mid-day mix I thought I heard some traces of it.



Yessir, that was it... Thanks for listening.. W/an update, there will be serious problems out here. #LetsWork!!
DJ K-Ceaser 11:55 PM - 15 August, 2012
NEW VID IM BACCCKKK LOL HOLLA @ CHA BOI!

Watchwww.youtube.com
djallstyle 2:13 AM - 16 August, 2012
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NEW VID IM BACCCKKK LOL HOLLA @ CHA BOI!

Watchwww.youtube.com



Lmao!!! Good 1!!
DJ K-Ceaser 2:52 AM - 16 August, 2012
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NEW VID IM BACCCKKK LOL HOLLA @ CHA BOI!

Watchwww.youtube.com



Lmao!!! Good 1!!


4 Sho Thankxxx Homey!
Ragman 3:24 AM - 16 August, 2012
Nice and funny as hell ... :-)
DJ K-Ceaser 3:26 AM - 16 August, 2012
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Nice and funny as hell ... :-)



Lol thanks Yo!
dj lashes 4:35 AM - 16 August, 2012
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NEW VID IM BACCCKKK LOL HOLLA @ CHA BOI!

Watchwww.youtube.com

bro the video tun-upppppp so sick
DJ K-Ceaser 4:36 AM - 16 August, 2012
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NEW VID IM BACCCKKK LOL HOLLA @ CHA BOI!

Watchwww.youtube.com

bro the video tun-upppppp so sick


Awwready homey Thanks!! Lol I had to N on this one!
selector koala 7:48 AM - 16 August, 2012
Hi, I got me a new controller, vestax 380, have all drivers instaled usw.nach instructions, my pc says that everything is connected super! serato itch but says "hardware disconnected" I would be very doll if you could help me!

ps: I had ne reloop 3 with jockey tractor and then everything worked
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:11 PM - 16 August, 2012
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Hi, I got me a new controller, vestax 380, have all drivers instaled usw.nach instructions, my pc says that everything is connected super! serato itch but says "hardware disconnected" I would be very doll if you could help me!

ps: I had ne reloop 3 with jockey tractor and then everything worked


Click this link to ask for help with the vci-380 ---> serato.com
DJ NoNseNse 12:55 AM - 17 August, 2012
how is it compared to the vci-300mk2?
[O/][iii][O/] 12:25 PM - 18 August, 2012
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how is it compared to the vci-300mk2?


If you require traditional looping like the VCI-300MKII has (and nearly every other ITCH controller as well as SL) then the VCI-380 can be considered a huge downgrade. Many people have stayed away from the 380 because of this or returned them to the stores after learning about the looping issue.
phatbob 2:02 PM - 18 August, 2012
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how is it compared to the vci-300mk2?


If you require traditional looping like the VCI-300MKII has (and nearly every other ITCH controller as well as SL) then the VCI-380 can be considered a huge downgrade. Many people have stayed away from the 380 because of this or returned them to the stores after learning about the looping issue.


But on the other hand if saved loops are not a big part of your workflow then the 380 makes the 300 look like an antique.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:28 PM - 18 August, 2012
^+1
ernie 4:02 PM - 18 August, 2012
Watch my video i really enjoy my vci 380 effex looping roll the best controller

Watchwww.youtube.com
djallstyle 4:04 PM - 18 August, 2012
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how is it compared to the vci-300mk2?


If you require traditional looping like the VCI-300MKII has (and nearly every other ITCH controller as well as SL) then the VCI-380 can be considered a huge downgrade. Many people have stayed away from the 380 because of this or returned them to the stores after learning about the looping issue.


But on the other hand if saved loops are not a big part of your workflow then the 380 makes the 300 look like an antique.


I thought the saved loops/ traditional looping would be a big deal w/the 380... But really hasn't been. I just got used to a different work flow. The advantages by far, outweigh the disadvantages. The 380 is pretty much killing all other controllers ,for what I do. A few minor complaints (I.e. volume levels & distortion as a sound card for iTunes & other apps) but that's pretty much it. A few updates, a decksaver cover & I will leave out of the house.
Markabre 4:22 PM - 18 August, 2012
If the VCI-380 gets the software it deserves (a big IF) it will be truly awesome for something so mobile.

If Vestax added motorized platters without it weighing a ton, (which is unlikely to impossible) then I might consider having it's children.
[O/][iii][O/] 6:04 PM - 18 August, 2012
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Quote:
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how is it compared to the vci-300mk2?


If you require traditional looping like the VCI-300MKII has (and nearly every other ITCH controller as well as SL) then the VCI-380 can be considered a huge downgrade. Many people have stayed away from the 380 because of this or returned them to the stores after learning about the looping issue.


But on the other hand if saved loops are not a big part of your workflow then the 380 makes the 300 look like an antique.


Unfortunately, accessing saved loops without the playhead jumping like a hot cue is not only a big deal for many users, it's downright critical, so much so we had to pass on the 380 despite all of its otherwise killer features/performance/construction/etc. If/when Serato ever gets the looping thing fixed for us we'll join the 380 brotherhood.
phatbob 6:08 PM - 18 August, 2012
Absolutely, and people should be made aware that's how it works, but for many people it's a total non-issue.

People should just make sure to do their research and make the best choice for their own style.
ernie 6:52 PM - 18 August, 2012
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Absolutely, and people should be made aware that's how it works, but for many people it's a total non-issue.

People should just make sure to do their research and make the best choice for their own style.


i agree
WarpNote 6:58 PM - 18 August, 2012
So whats the deal with the SSL mapping from Vestax, did they release it?
Maskrider 3:35 AM - 19 August, 2012
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Watch my video i really enjoy my vci 380 effex looping roll the best controller

Watchwww.youtube.com


This will stop the crowd and say WTF(with a confused look)?.......lol

Good Video anyway.
ernie 4:00 AM - 19 August, 2012
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Watch my video i really enjoy my vci 380 effex looping roll the best controller

Watchwww.youtube.com


This will stop the crowd and say WTF(with a confused look)?.......lol

Good Video anyway.


ha ha ha i love the effects roll loopings on vci 380.. i feel like a pro lol
DJ NoNseNse 3:54 PM - 19 August, 2012
Has there been a lot of dropouts with it?
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:56 PM - 19 August, 2012
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Has there been a lot of dropouts with it?


serato.com
Dj Ace 8:56 PM - 19 August, 2012
Loop rolls are DOPE... is all about HOW you use your tools creatively keeping the flow music that is what DJing IS and will always be. So yah I use them in live sets all the time with reverb and it creates a sick sounding breakdown (transition)
prizo 3:13 AM - 21 August, 2012
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So whats the deal with the SSL mapping from Vestax, did they release it?



supposed to be coming out by the end of sept says vestax. Spoke to someone at the DJ Times AC Expo last week, they assured me that is complete and just be troubleshooted at the moment. Should have all functionality expect slicer (since there is no such thing in ssl).

Just purchased mine, haven't spent much time with it yet. People having problems using it with itch? Any crashes or freezing anyone?
nik39 8:31 AM - 21 August, 2012
Works fine for me. Beast thing!
WarpNote 6:18 PM - 21 August, 2012
Thanks prizo, thinking about getting one later this year.
phatbob 6:24 PM - 21 August, 2012
I f*cking love mine to death.

People are experiencing bugs, but it's new, and I'm not having any of the problems other people are.

I've got two SL3s that haven't been hooked up once since I got the 380.

It's so good, I'm even willing to put up with Serato Video instead of ME in order to use it.

And anyone who has spent any time on this forum will know, that's a pretty surprising compromise for me to make.
Maskrider 2:14 AM - 22 August, 2012
Since I've used ITCH when it started never used my SL.......That's how i felt about it now with Video there is no going back for me......ITCH all the way.

I've waited for a long time for ITCH to have video......ITCH is slowly getting where SL is so be patient.
damehype 8:51 AM - 22 August, 2012
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I f*cking love mine to death.

People are experiencing bugs, but it's new, and I'm not having any of the problems other people are.

I've got two SL3s that haven't been hooked up once since I got the 380.

It's so good, I'm even willing to put up with Serato Video instead of ME in order to use it.

And anyone who has spent any time on this forum will know, that's a pretty surprising compromise for me to make.


Wow... That's huge
nik39 10:13 AM - 22 August, 2012
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It's so good, I'm even willing to put up with Serato Video instead of ME in order to use it.

Can't agree on this one. SV is still way behind ME. Feature wise, resource wise, usability wise.
phatbob 12:36 PM - 22 August, 2012
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Can't agree on this one. SV is still way behind ME. Feature wise, resource wise, usability wise.


I feel you Nik.

At the moment however, although 4 out of my 5 nights per week are video gigs, none of them are 'focused' on video, it's just kind of a bonus feature.

If I was doing what I consider to be proper video 'show', I'd still have to use the best software for the job. And that is, of course, MixEmergency.
|DJSIGMA| 3:51 PM - 30 August, 2012
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What's good Kelz! I feel u lol well not completely but I have significantly decreased the usage new vid coming mad soon though! And yo All-Style did u recently use it on Ur mid-day mix I thought I heard some traces of it.

what happen to your first one and what problems were you having? so I know for future ref.
DJGator 12:18 AM - 24 September, 2012
here are the features of the vci 380 from vestal website. Why can't i find the 19" rack mount kit in stores or online






FEATURES
-2 Channels USB MIDI controller for Serato ITCH
-Built-in 24Bit/48kHz audio interface
-2 x 8 Performance Pads with Velocity & Aftertouch
-5 performance modes (Hot Cue, Auto Loop, Slicer, Roll, Sampler)
-PAD FX function
-Channel FX controls
-Ribbon (strip) control for Pad parameters and Needle Drop
-Large scale 5 1/3 inch jog wheels with needle position display
-2 Channel stand-alone audio mixer with Phono / Line input
-Hi-Pass filter, Trim and 3 band Eq on stand-alone mixer.
-2 Mic inputs with volume control
-Balanced Master output (XLR) & Booth output (RCA)
-19" RACKMOUNT KIT (OPTIONAL)
-Robust metal body construction
-CFX-2 (Digital Crossfader) compatible
Maskrider 12:45 AM - 24 September, 2012
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here are the features of the vci 380 from vestal website. Why can't i find the 19" rack mount kit in stores or online



Wait for NAMM
DJ K-Ceaser 11:20 PM - 25 September, 2012
Check This OUT!!! Beware of the Odyssey Glide Case!

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:09 AM - 26 September, 2012
The stoppers goes under the laptop shelf to "help" keep the vci380 down when the shelf is closed.

Its the same style as the VCI300 case. The "squishy" foam does a good job. Ive had no issue with my vci300.

I ordered the same case.
DJ K-Ceaser 12:29 AM - 26 September, 2012
I know where they supposed to go but they don't fit correctly. When sliding the glide back you will hit every Knob on the damn thing lol. You will see when you receive yours. Of course you can DJ it to make it work! Cut Scratch Chop and Screw but in its original form its impossible.
DJ K-Ceaser 4:54 AM - 26 September, 2012
Video 2 Njoy lol!

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:06 PM - 26 September, 2012
I got my case and it looks different from yours.
I think its a VCI400 case reconfigured with extra padding on the sides.

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VCI 380
Odyssey Gear Case
OWC 4TB Ext HD x 2
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DJ K-Ceaser 11:08 PM - 26 September, 2012
Cool let me know how it works out.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:34 PM - 26 September, 2012
So far so good.

I took a picture of the stoppers on this case.
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I just need to move just a tad over, just enough to clear the pitch control and i think it should be OK to hold down the VCI380. I will still use the Spongy foam in the middle.
Picture of the hard drives
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Also plenty of room in the back for a power strip and cables.
I think i will add a wireless mic underneath or in the back.
DJ K-Ceaser 11:41 PM - 26 September, 2012
Yo the one you have is most def. different than the one that I have lol! I see the extra padding on the side centering it up enough for the stoppers to work mine is flush with the edge. Damn Odyssey!
DJ K-Ceaser 11:51 PM - 26 September, 2012
Yo the one you have is most def. different than the one that I have lol! I see the extra padding on the side centering it up enough for the stoppers to work mine is flush with the edge. Damn Odyssey!

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DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:53 PM - 26 September, 2012
Yeah I think yours is the original VCI300 case with the side padding trimmed down.

I had the vci300 and the case. Ernie was able to fit his VCI380 in a VCI300 case, like yours.
DJ K-Ceaser 7:15 PM - 27 September, 2012
Questio. For all my serato Bros and Sisters! I keep reading that you can now set 8 cue point in the sp6. How in the hell is this activated or am I just reading this wrong.
Ragman 7:59 PM - 27 September, 2012
Where did you read this?
DJ K-Ceaser 8:00 PM - 27 September, 2012
It's in the release notes.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:47 PM - 27 September, 2012
I think you are reading it wrong.

You can assign 8 cue points in a song/samp;e.

then when you load that sample that you can start the sample from the 8 cue points you made.

I think before it was limited to 5 cues (old itch/SL cues)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:50 PM - 27 September, 2012
See red circle

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Playback fixes

Fixed bug where auto loops couldn't be saved in offline player
The number of cue points that can be scrolled through in the SP6 is now 8
DJ K-Ceaser 10:10 PM - 27 September, 2012
Thanks Bro, lol i was looking all over for a sp6 8 sample option.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:47 PM - 8 October, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com

Scratch on the go lol
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 9:35 AM - 10 October, 2012
Hi everyone,

The VCI-380 mapping file is now available.
You can download the file and setup instructions here:
help.vestax.co.jp

This mapping file was designed and developed by Vestax. Serato do not provide official support for this mapping. For support questions, please contact csg@vestax.jp.

Thank you for having been very patient with the release of this mapping. As you may guess it was not an easy one, and for that reason we had to delay the release.

We hope you like it.

The Vestax HQ team.
[O/][iii][O/] 10:55 AM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:
Hi everyone,

The VCI-380 mapping file is now available.
You can download the file and setup instructions here:
help.vestax.co.jp

This mapping file was designed and developed by Vestax. Serato do not provide official support for this mapping. For support questions, please contact csg@vestax.jp.

Thank you for having been very patient with the release of this mapping. As you may guess it was not an easy one, and for that reason we had to delay the release.

We hope you like it.

The Vestax HQ team.



Hello - Is the behavior of stored loops fixed with this where the loop will simply turn on and begin when the playhead reaches it or will the playhead automatically jump to the loop like a hot cue?
phatbob 11:07 AM - 10 October, 2012
It controls Scratch Live. And Scratch Live works like it always does.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:35 AM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:
Hi everyone,

The VCI-380 mapping file is now available.
You can download the file and setup instructions here:
help.vestax.co.jp

This mapping file was designed and developed by Vestax. Serato do not provide official support for this mapping. For support questions, please contact csg@vestax.jp.

Thank you for having been very patient with the release of this mapping. As you may guess it was not an easy one, and for that reason we had to delay the release.

We hope you like it.

The Vestax HQ team.


As i said all along lol untill serato do midi out and/or make this vci-380 NATIVE ssl controll it will just be a simple mapping.

Now awaits everyone to moan this mapping was not what they was expecting (Apart from me as it was OBVIOUS what this mapping was going tobe)

But nice try and work Vestax but the real answer here is NATIVE SUPPORT with scratchlive and yes we would have to plug our RANE boxes i to use it.
[O/][iii][O/] 12:24 PM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:
It controls Scratch Live. And Scratch Live works like it always does.


Thank you. Did not want to assume because the VCI-380 controls ITCH and ITCH does NOT work like it always does in regards to looping when using ALL OTHER CONTROLLERS (except Twitch). If/when Serato/Vestax ever fix the looping mess on the VCI-380 I'll be buying a few of them because I'd love to be able to use it with both SSL and ITCH (soon to be SDJ).
WarpNote 1:00 PM - 10 October, 2012
Still undecided about getting VCI 380 or DDJ SX for a light setup,
this SSL mapping might be what I want.
[O/][iii][O/] 1:35 PM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:
Still undecided about getting VCI 380 or DDJ SX for a light setup,
this SSL mapping might be what I want.


IMO, DDJ-SX isn't a light setup, rather it's an intermediate setup. VCI-380 is a light setup, ideal for backpack, travel situations. DDJ-SX chassis size isn't nearly as portable, but bridges gap between backpack solution and full-blown turntables/CDJs + mixer + MIDI controllers. Apple n' Oranges size-wise (and feature size too).
phatbob 2:11 PM - 10 October, 2012
I tried the mapping, it works well for what it is.

Needs midi out in SL to be truly useful, the lack of visual feedback is annoying.

For use with a controller Itch suits my needs perfectly, so I don't really have a use for the mapping.

If I'm going to use Scratch Live with no sync I would get frustrated with the short pitch faders on the 380 very quickly; I'd much rather stick to TTs or CDJs for manual beatmatching.
[O/][iii][O/] 2:20 PM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:

If I'm going to use Scratch Live with no sync I would get frustrated with the short pitch faders on the 380 very quickly.


Yeah, the VCI-380's stumpy pitch faders was a huge concern of mine as well. Can't imaging trying to accurately beatmatch unquantized tracks with those little things.
Dj Nyce 3:47 PM - 10 October, 2012
i think it would be prudent to wait til the Serato DJ update for the 380 before swapping it for an SX (if you care about portability).

if portability isn't that much of a factor then the SX looks like dope option.
Qoolee Kid 4:23 PM - 10 October, 2012
i don't even have a 380, but i still prefer the smaller size of the 380 vs the SX. no point in having two controllers. and i like the fact that if i hook up decks that it will feel more like the traditional 2-channel mixers that i'm used to. not that 26" wide SX
J.J. 4:59 PM - 10 October, 2012
380 is a perfect portable size. I put that and a laptop in a backpack and go. I'm still waiting on the 19"Rack Mount. Just because of the size doesn't mean it's limited. I've got 4 Decks in Traktor with crazy control over 256 samples, 4 Single and Grouped Effects, Macro Effects, Loop Rolls, Auto Loop, Loop Move, Velocity Effects, Job Wheel Effects, Slice (limited), 8 Bar Seamless Skip using the Jog, Jog Wheel Track Search, Reverse, etc. You can even control 2 or 4 Decks or 256 Sample Decks at the same time. I'm thinking about using the FX Wet/Dry DEPTH Knob to control the Sampler Volume and Deck C/D Volume. Pots for the volume at last.

The color LED's (which the Pioneer DDJ-SX only has blue) is great for feedback. In Traktor. Green for Loop, Turquoise for Cue, White for Grid, Orange for Load, Yellow for Fade-In/Out. Switch to Slice goes to red, Loops are Green, Gratifier FX are Purple...

TSI coming soon... www.poweronplay.com
DJ K-Ceaser 7:14 PM - 10 October, 2012
I love my VCI 380 but I am most def. going to get the DDJS-X it may be bigger but I belive it is portable enough for my standards. And actually by the specs, it isn't that much
larger than the Ns6.
damehype 8:19 PM - 10 October, 2012
K-Caesar, seems as though you have the older vci-380 case. Seems as though there was a revision. I'd contact Odyssey...

Then:
www.odysseygear.com

Now:

www.odysseygear.com
DJSP1KE 8:23 PM - 10 October, 2012
380 IS AWESOME , also i think the pads are better situated at the top , but just a personal choice , could'nt afford both , but i dont think i could sell my 380 for this until its been proven , ive never had a drop out or any real issues , only down to itch , so dj could sort all this and make it world class , we shall soon see

380 for me :)
DJ K-Ceaser 9:17 PM - 10 October, 2012
Dame what's good. Odyssey actually contacted me after seeing the video that I put on YouTube and they did send the wrong case. They handled the situation with great customer service.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:35 PM - 10 October, 2012
Quote:
Dame what's good. Odyssey actually contacted me after seeing the video that I put on YouTube and they did send the wrong case. They handled the situation with great customer service.


Good for Them! good for you too lol Hope no more complaints! :D
DJ K-Ceaser 10:48 PM - 10 October, 2012
Me too Lmao! I'm an odyseey fan for life now I would even buy the new Serato DJ controller they are coming out with! Naw I'm taking it too far lol.
Bozo 2:53 PM - 11 October, 2012
Quote:
380 is a perfect portable size. I put that and a laptop in a backpack and go. I'm still waiting on the 19"Rack Mount. Just because of the size doesn't mean it's limited. I've got 4 Decks in Traktor with crazy control over 256 samples, 4 Single and Grouped Effects, Macro Effects, Loop Rolls, Auto Loop, Loop Move, Velocity Effects, Job Wheel Effects, Slice (limited), 8 Bar Seamless Skip using the Jog, Jog Wheel Track Search, Reverse, etc. You can even control 2 or 4 Decks or 256 Sample Decks at the same time. I'm thinking about using the FX Wet/Dry DEPTH Knob to control the Sampler Volume and Deck C/D Volume. Pots for the volume at last.

The color LED's (which the Pioneer DDJ-SX only has blue) is great for feedback. In Traktor. Green for Loop, Turquoise for Cue, White for Grid, Orange for Load, Yellow for Fade-In/Out. Switch to Slice goes to red, Loops are Green, Gratifier FX are Purple...

TSI coming soon... www.poweronplay.com


Can't wait to see, do you find how to map the velocity properly without an additional soft like Midi boomer ?
J.J. 7:54 PM - 11 October, 2012
In Traktor, the default works fine for the PADS:
Type of Controller: Fader / Knob
Interaction Mode: Direct

Because all the Pads Velocity on one side use the same MIDI signal, you would have to create a Modifier for each of the 8 Pads to have it effect something different. For instance, Pad 1 (modifier=1) could engage Hot Cue 1, you keep pushing Pad 1 down to adjust the Wet Dry Knob in modifier=1. Pad 2 (modifier=2) could engage Hot Cue 2, you keep pushing Pad 2 down to adjust the Effect Knob 1 in modifier=2.
serkan 9:48 PM - 11 October, 2012
Quote:

But nice try and work Vestax but the real answer here is NATIVE SUPPORT with scratchlive and yes we would have to plug our RANE boxes i to use it.

+1 for native support in Scratch Live!
djkrazyleo 10:19 PM - 11 October, 2012
Any videos ?
J.J. 7:08 AM - 12 October, 2012
Jerome at Vestax. I found an error on line 19 in the mapping. It should be replaced with Right.
Quote:
<Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="9" event_type="Control Change" control="69" data_type="Relative 2&apos;s Complement" reversed="true" on_modifier="Jog Scroll Button"/>

I would change this to:
Shift + Jog Wheel Turn = Scroll Track fast

I would add this for Left and Right:
Jog Scroll Button + Jog Wheel Turn = Scroll Library (really fast)
Quote:
<Control name="Scroll Library Knob" channel="8" event_type="Control Change" data_type="Relative Binary Offset" control="69" on_modifier="Jog Scroll Button" />
DJ dVO 12:37 PM - 12 October, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
But nice try and work Vestax but the real answer here is NATIVE SUPPORT with scratchlive and yes we would have to plug our RANE boxes i to use it.

+1 for native support in Scratch Live!


Only over Rane's dead body.
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:28 PM - 12 October, 2012
erm so you forget you can use cdjs denon numark stuff with scratchlive?? all they have todo is make all the mappings for it you would still need to plug your sl box in and the sound from the rane box to your vci inputs.
serkan 1:41 PM - 12 October, 2012
So only over Vestax' dead body because the VFX-1 is native too :)
DJ dVO 3:56 PM - 12 October, 2012
I took Native Support to mean plug and play......
Eric N 5:49 PM - 12 October, 2012
Quote:
I took Native Support to mean plug and play......


Did you not see the part about "yes, we would have to plug in a Scratch Live box"?

IMO, Serato and Rane would be wise to enable this for both the 380 and the DDJ-SX. Would help them to slowly wean people over to the controller side by using these controllers as mixers with turntables.
Solidsnake 8:47 PM - 12 October, 2012
It's all going to just one software soon with an upgrade path... The Serato logo on my 380 and Rane 62 are the same whereas my VCI-300 had an itch logo and my SL3 has a scratch live logo.

Also right side fx are not working for me with this mapping
Solidsnake 8:48 PM - 12 October, 2012
To clarify my post though, you will need a Rane box still for the turntables/CDJ's similar to Traktor, but through the logo rebranding, I am fairly certain Serato DJ will encompass all sooner or later
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 10:57 AM - 17 October, 2012
Quote:
Jerome at Vestax. I found an error on line 19 in the mapping. It should be replaced with Right.


Hi J.J,
Thank you for finding this error.
The updated xml file is available here: help.vestax.co.jp

Cheers
DJ dVO 2:24 PM - 19 October, 2012
Jerome, I am looking to get my hands on a Vestax-neo USB cable to complement my recent order of a VCI-380. Could you advice where I can order this online?
J.J. 3:52 PM - 19 October, 2012
Jerome, I am looking to get my hands on a Vestax VCI-380 19" Rack Mount. You know, that thing you announced with the 380. Where are they at?

The Vestax-New USB cable looks sick. However, I just saw this review. www.amazon.com
DJ dVO 1:44 PM - 20 October, 2012
Good to know.....
prizo 5:03 AM - 22 October, 2012
whats so sick about it jj, just looks like a red usb cable to me? I would like to give traktor a whirl with this controller, would you mind sending me the mapping you are using?
J.J. 5:51 AM - 22 October, 2012
I'm the guy that ordered a Rane 62 Z-Trip version for the custom flat cables.

I just think flat cables look different from the hundreds of round USB cables I have. www.vestax.com
I dig the Neo's Flat (Inverted concentric structure), double shielded, 24K gold plated with a Vestax red and logo. Especially for close up pictures for reviews.

I've actually had a lot of problems in the past with generic USB cables. From sound deg-ration to slow USB transfer speeds to ground loops. These are my preferred USB calbes store.djtechtools.com

The Traktor VCI-380 version is not finished. However, I just need the effects on the Scratch Live version. PDF should be finished this week. www.poweronplay.com
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 7:31 AM - 22 October, 2012
Quote:
Jerome, I am looking to get my hands on a Vestax VCI-380 19" Rack Mount. You know, that thing you announced with the 380. Where are they at?

The Vestax-New USB cable looks sick. However, I just saw this review. www.amazon.com


Hi J.J,
The 19" rackmount kit is now ready to ship from Japan, and can reach US stores soon.

Regarding the Neo cables:
This reviewer compares the Vestax Neo cable with the Oyaide cables.
However, the Vestax Neo cables are made by Oyaide company in Japan, and use same materials / class and technology as the Oyaide branded cables.
We use those cables intensly in our R&D department since two years, and never had that issue with unglued shield. We are sorry that it randomly happened on an isolated product.

Cheers,
Bozo 8:12 AM - 22 October, 2012
Quote:
whats so sick about it jj, just looks like a red usb cable to me? I would like to give traktor a whirl with this controller, would you mind sending me the mapping you are using?


You can try this one, it's stable, but no pad fx :
maps.djtechtools.com

Can't wait to see the Pad Fx on traktor, i way i found a way to map the aftertouch (traktor himself can't support the signal) but i didn't tried :
www.djtechtools.com
J.J. 4:17 PM - 22 October, 2012
Thanks Jerome. Will AGIProDJ be able to order this for me? Is there any way of getting the Vestax Neo cable for a VCI-380 review on my website?

Pad FX in Traktor is unbelievable. I've got an option for effecting the volume when engaging a Sample (VELOCITY). However, it's very hard to keep an effect Wet/Dry at a certain percent using the pressure applied to the Pad. This is where the Jog Wheel comes in.

I'v managed to enable the "Sample Player Gain Knob" while using the Sample in SSL. However, after 70% it distorts the audio really bad. It wasn't really designed for Velocity. A real Sample Volume added to SSL would make more sense. Of course I'm using a Rane Sixty-Eight to test, so it might be different on a SL4.

Quote:
<Control name="Sample Player Gain Knob" channel="8" event_type="Control Change" control="91" on_modifier="Sampler Mode A" />

Jerome, your mapper has this set to 60 which is Pad 1 instead of 91 which goes from 0% - 100%.
radikarl 4:49 PM - 22 October, 2012
Quote:
However, after 70% it distorts the audio really bad. It wasn't really designed for Velocity. A real Sample Volume added to SSL would make more sense.
there is a volume slider for each sample too.
you need to tick the correct option in the dropdown at the right to see it.
it should be mappable too, but all pads of the VCI 380 send the same velocity message, which makes them good for effects control, but not for individual sample volume.

Quote:
Jerome, your mapper has this set to 60 which is Pad 1

i just checked. nope.

Quote:
<Control name="Sample Player Gain Knob" channel="8" event_type="Control Change" control="60" on_modifier="Sampler Mode A" />
this is the touch ribbon on the sampler page
The pad is control 60 too, but event_type="Note On", so that is a different control.


Cheers.
J.J. 5:51 PM - 22 October, 2012
Forgot about that radikarl. I also noticed the Parameter touch strip changes MIDI signal for the 4 buttons (Hot Cue, Slicer, Auto Loop, Roll). I had it assigned to 59 thinking it was always 59. www.poweronplay.com

What is the volume slider code for Sampler 1-6?
nik39 5:59 PM - 22 October, 2012
JJ, do you run poweronplay.com?
J.J. 11:56 PM - 22 October, 2012
Yea.
Brian J 9:37 AM - 23 October, 2012
Wait a sec.. Are you guys saying that there is a mapping file for traktor?

Link?!
Brian J 9:55 AM - 23 October, 2012
I would really love to use my 380 with TP.. Btw is it official mapping file from vestax? No pad fx though??!
Bozo 5:37 PM - 23 October, 2012
There is three mapping i know :
a very simple one
www.traktorbible.com
Two deck, slicer (not the Itch slicer), 2 fx section but no pad fx, roll, hot cue andremix deck launch :
maps.djtechtools.com

and IMO the most promising.... PAD FX ! :) (Grand master J.J's one) :
www.poweronplay.com
But as he sayed, he his still working on it.


I am also waiting for an officiel vestax mapping.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 12:37 AM - 24 October, 2012
Hi,
A Traktor Mapping is on the way to be released on www.vestax.com.

More details soon!
Brian J 1:56 AM - 24 October, 2012
This is very cool!!!!! Thanks a lot for the links Bozo!

@ Jerome

So the 380 will be an officially supported traktor controller...? Awesome! Keep us posted;-)

How's traktor platters response/performance compared to itch? I'd love to know...


Thanks,

Brian J.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 2:47 AM - 24 October, 2012
Hi Brian J

Quote:
So the 380 will be an officially supported traktor controller...?


The VCI-380 is a ITCH controller, was designed and engineered for ITCH and is fully suported by Vestax and Serato as a ITCH hardware (and Serato DJ in spring 2013).

There was recently a parallel demand for a mapping with Traktor. We are happy with making and providing a mapping, but it doesn't mean that having Vestax to release this mapping makes of the VCI-380 a Traktor supported hardware.
This mapping is unofficial, such as the SSL mapping we released recently.

I will let you know when we release the mapping. Soon enough!
Cheers,
Brian J 5:07 AM - 24 October, 2012
Ok, go it! Thanks for the clarification.
David_E 8:06 AM - 24 October, 2012
Quote:


How's traktor platters response/performance compared to itch? I'd love to know...


rather laggy. If you're used to itch you won't be satisfied.
Bozo 11:01 AM - 24 October, 2012
Quote:
How's traktor platters response/performance compared to itch? I'd love to know...


Good if your hardware is Traktor ready (supported by Traktor, HID support...) and even more with NHL protocol (Kontrol s2/4).
VCI 380 will always be better witch ITCH, it's designed and fully supported by/for Serato and the platter are not on HID in traktor, i'm using both soft and for gigs ITCH is my choice but VCI 380 + F1 is a great combo (and the F1 will be midi mappable with Serato Dj, hope there will be an Vestax made equivalent for...).
JDforKing 1:37 PM - 24 October, 2012
Is this forum still divided on whether or not the vci 380 is a good buy? I know these forums are started as soon as product like the vci 380 is released but im wondering how everyone is feeling about the 380 since they've been in the field for a while now.
Brian J 1:41 PM - 24 October, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Good if your hardware is Traktor ready (supported by Traktor, HID support...) and even more with NHL protocol (Kontrol s2/4).


Thanks again for the very informative post. So basically Traktor will only work as it best with 1st party controller?

Quote:
Quote:
380 + F1 is a great combo (and the F1 will be midi mappable with Serato Dj, hope there will be an Vestax made equivalent for...).


That's *exactly* what i was thinking.. The F1 is bundled with a copy with TP2 but if the 380 response is sluggish :-( .. Oh well.. I guess i'll have to give a try once Vestax release the mapping file(winkwink Jerome;-)

The vci 400 on the other end will be a good compromise? I wanna be able to use both Serato AND traktor. I can't help thinking that we wouldn't even have this conversation if Serato didn't axe the bridge for Itch/DJ OR had a valid replacement for traktor remix decks..
Brian J 1:53 PM - 24 October, 2012
Quote:
Is this forum still divided on whether or not the vci 380 is a good buy? I know these forums are started as soon as product like the vci 380 is released but im wondering how everyone is feeling about the 380 since they've been in the field for a while now.


I'm not a superstar DJ or anything but i do a couple of nights a week in a small club/bar with it and so far i haven't had a single problem with it. I have a very simple setup that fits in my bag pack.. 2011(base model) Mac book air, 380(Vestax neo usb cable) and a laptop stand. About the 380.. Pad FX are dope, sample launcher isn't Traktor remix decks but it does the job.. Platter response is good. Crossfader is really smooth(i upgraded to CF2). I can't complain, really. Best try for yourself before buying if possible.
Dj Nyce 1:56 PM - 24 October, 2012
I love the 380. Best portable controller in the field. Size is its main feature in my opinion. If size isn't a factor tho I would look at the upcoming pio sx.
JDforKing 4:06 PM - 24 October, 2012
well i have a vci 380 coming friday and have used the vci 300 mk1 and mk2 for years. I also presently have a numark ns6 ( that i love) but i want something that fits in a backpack so i can leave my ns6 in its case for my mobile/wedding gigs only.
phatbob 4:52 PM - 24 October, 2012
I use my 380 at 4 of 5 gigs every week, have done since launch, and it's basically been flawless for me.

Some people have problems with hardware or software but a quick glance at the help areas will show that to be true of all the controllers.

I have not hesitated to recommend the 380 I know IRL.
phatbob 4:53 PM - 24 October, 2012
Quote:
I have not hesitated to recommend the 380 TO PEOPLE I know IRL.
Bozo 5:39 PM - 3 November, 2012
Up, what's new about mappings project ?
Brian J 5:13 AM - 4 November, 2012
Yeah.. + 1

Jerome? Wasn't

I'm really looking forward to try this TP 2 mapping.. If the platter response is decent I will buy the F1..
Bozo 6:38 PM - 14 November, 2012
Up :(
J.J. 12:56 AM - 22 November, 2012
Jerome. Where are the VCI-380 19" RackMount Kit?

on 10/22/12 "The 19" rackmount kit is now ready to ship from Japan, and can reach US stores soon."

AGIPRODJ.com still has no information on this.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 1:02 AM - 22 November, 2012
Hi J.J,
They're on the way now to our US distributor AM&S, and soon be dispatched at a few dealers across US in December.
Find out more detail on where you can grab rackmounts by contacting AM&S.

Cheers
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:03 AM - 22 November, 2012
sweet

Been waiting for one also.
J.J. 1:22 AM - 22 November, 2012
Thanks Jerome. I will let AGIPRODJ know about this.

Any reason why it took so long?
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 1:42 AM - 22 November, 2012
Quote:
Any reason why it took so long?


It was not easy to estimate which quantity was necessary to cover the demand, without to produce too much like it often happen for optionnal accessories.
Having the VCI-380 selling for a few months defenitely helped to hear feedback and make an estimation of the demand.
Vestax
Jerome at Vestax 1:43 AM - 22 November, 2012
But we apologize it took so long.
nikodb 1:31 AM - 20 December, 2012
Just to clarify....using the ssl mapping with the 380 , no lights on the vci ?
phatbob 1:32 AM - 20 December, 2012
Correct.
nikodb 1:49 AM - 20 December, 2012
That's funny ... I just a video in YouTube and it seemed it has lights...the pads seem dark though.

m.youtube.com v=xnT4m8uBf0Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxnT4m8uBf0Q

I was really looking in hooking a 380 it on top of a TT + 2ch battle mixer setup with an sl4....and get 4 decks on SL among with those cool pads and features of the 380..thought to control all SL from the 380 ...browser , effects loops etc ... It should work if the 380 gives you two decks already....
nikodb 1:53 AM - 20 December, 2012
But if half of the lights are missing from the vci...it does not worth the trouble....tell me what you think of that video...how does it look to you phatbob? Doesn't it look properly lighted ? I have no 380 so can't say much about how it's supposed to be...
nikodb 2:07 AM - 20 December, 2012
Quote:
Correct.



Disregard the video he is running both Itch and scratch live together...I just saw him switching programs on the fly to scratch from the vinyl...crap...I had high hopes for that mapping...why can't we just finally get a hybrid setup ...using the best of both worlds, live feeding on the same software interface...Cheers to Vestax for the effort though ... At least they tried...
XRM5 2:08 AM - 20 December, 2012
No Serato software does any kind of mappable output. So if you see lights they're an accident that don't mean anything, unless you're crazy enough to run extra software in the background just to drive yr light states.

And I don't think you wanna do that.

There is a mapping fiend on the forums here (JJ I think?) who runs Traktor in the background just to get his lights working, while Serato handles all the video. But it's a hack-y, high-maintenance way to roll.
XRM5 2:11 AM - 20 December, 2012
We wrote that at the same time.

It's all Serato's fault here. Most (as in nearly ALL) developers wouldn't think their MIDI support was done until it did both input and output, but Serato just moved on without doing it and hasn't looked back for years.
Bozo 2:29 PM - 20 December, 2012
I've also made a basic mapping for Traktor, two deck + pad fx (it work)
It's very basic map because i'm working on a 4 deck mapping with my Maschine, the touch ribbon will control the deck C and D such as the touschstrip on but if someone wan't the basic two deck map i'll gladly send it.
J.J. 6:18 PM - 8 May, 2013
Does anybody know where I can order the RK-380 rackmount for the VCI-380?

The UK website will only ship to Europe. shop.vestax.co.uk
Punky 3:15 PM - 17 May, 2013
You need an Innobender, but yes, you can install an Innofader in the VCI-380. :)
Maskrider 4:59 AM - 20 May, 2013
Parts like the cross fader and volume fader.... Manufacturers should make it easier to the consumers to replace these parts... Especially us working djs just bring in a spare and pop it in.

Like me I'm sending my VCI380 because of a faulty left channel....They should make this things worry free.....I wish.
DJSP1KE 9:01 AM - 20 May, 2013
They are easy to replace , my left fader went , took two days for a set to arrive , opened the back and popped it in , five minute job
Maskrider 9:04 AM - 21 May, 2013
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They are easy to replace , my left fader went , took two days for a set to arrive , opened the back and popped it in , five minute job

Where did you get your replacement faders?
DJSP1KE 1:45 PM - 21 May, 2013
through vestax , when i spoke to them , they confirmed that some of the earlier models had bad faders fitted , so they replaced them for free

emailed the support team
Maskrider 4:57 PM - 21 May, 2013
I just sent mine...I'll email them anyway.
J.J. 5:51 PM - 21 May, 2013
What is Vestax support team email?

What exactly went wrong with your up fader and crossfader? Did it stop working altogether or did it get glitchy?
DJSP1KE 6:58 PM - 21 May, 2013
My left fader was faulty , if you put the slightest bit of pressure on it , sound cut off , you had to lift it up to get the sound back , or if you pushed it to the top it was hit and miss
Maskrider 7:31 PM - 21 May, 2013
Same as mine...lol
Maskrider 7:32 PM - 21 May, 2013
I hope they change both faders eventhough the left volume fader is the only one wack...
DJSP1KE 8:14 PM - 21 May, 2013
yea they sent me a pair , the other went a few months later , so glad they did
Maskrider 8:37 PM - 21 May, 2013
Thanks for the info man
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:18 PM - 21 May, 2013
Iv had two pairs! First ones went dodgy they sent me replacement then when i sent my vci in for a repaire on jog wheels they replaced them again.

Been a top service from these guys so far!
Maskrider 10:34 PM - 21 May, 2013
Vci380 went down on price im thinking of getting another one for backup.
DJ dVO 5:11 PM - 22 May, 2013
The first few batches of 380 got faulty faders. It's a known fact. Send in your request for a complimentary replacement fader or have your unit repaired by an authorized shop.

Had mine fixed and it works like a charm ever since!
J.J. 6:30 PM - 24 May, 2013
After a year of requesting these two pieces of metal, guess what just showed up?
www.poweronplay.com

Yup, the RK-380. The 19" Rackmount Ears for the VCI-380. Ty from www.AGIProDJ.com hooked it up. He's only got a few left so hit him up.

I'm still confused as to why this was so difficult to get. Vestax as a company has lost most of my respect. This and the VCI-400EGE not being able to downgrade the firmware to a regular VCI-400. I hit up the their facebook page and they requested I send email to support. I have not once received a reply to the emails I've sent them. csg@vestax.jp
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:35 PM - 24 May, 2013
Nice JJ!

Can you show pics of the VCI380 rack mounted? Want to see if there are rooms in the back for cables.
Thinking buying a 10or12/4 all in 1 rack
Bozo 10:48 PM - 24 May, 2013
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This and the VCI-400EGE not being able to downgrade the firmware to a regular VCI-400.

it must also depends on DJTT right? since they made the firmware and they sell it (the 400EGE edition does not even appear on the vestax site), have you ask them ?
I wonder if it is possible to downgrade, since it's maybe not a simple soft update.
J.J. 11:15 PM - 24 May, 2013
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Nice JJ!

Can you show pics of the VCI380 rack mounted? Want to see if there are rooms in the back for cables.
Thinking buying a 10or12/4 all in 1 rack

Yes, I will get pictures. However, you will need room in your rack for the 380 front (earphone adapter, cue volume, platter touch adjust etc) and the rear (mic volume adjust, auxiliary volume input adjust, booth output etc.).

I plan to extend the back off the 380 off the rack. Similar to what I did on the DN-HC4500 in this picture. www.facebook.com

For portable use, I just ordered a SKB Rack (SKB 1SKB-R104) and Laptop Stand (SKB 1SKBAV8). It should look like this with only a 4 rack in the front instead of the 6 rack shown. www.amazon.com
J.J. 11:27 PM - 24 May, 2013
Quote:

Quote:
This and the VCI-400EGE not being able to downgrade the firmware to a regular VCI-400.

it must also depends on DJTT right? since they made the firmware and they sell it (the 400EGE edition does not even appear on the vestax site), have you ask them ?
I wonder if it is possible to downgrade, since it's maybe not a simple soft update.

Vestax blames DJ Tech Tools, and DJTT blames Vestax. Very weird.

Apparently, the EGE MIDI Firmware (different from the Audio Firmware) cannot be upgraded like the VCI-400 regular edition. I have to ship it to San Francisco so a man who looks like Jesus can manually write it with a H8 ROM writer. Brilliant. NOT!

Quote:
forum.djtechtools.com
So according to our firmware engineer:

Possible, but you would need the H8 ROM WRITER JiG (for VCI100, VCI300,etc)
Because Ean's version program area of the H8 CPU (MIDI program IC) is different from Vestax version, so we cannot use the USB update solution.

So unfortunately it is not possible via the usual USB firmware update method, because the EGE actually changes the way the VCI talks to the firmware-updating-software on your computer.
phatbob 12:23 AM - 25 May, 2013
That's because you didn't buy a Vestax product. You bought a piece of Vestax equipment that had been heavily customised by a third party.

With a lot of modification of the engine bay, I can have a garage put a Ferrari engine in my Ford Focus.

But if I want to go back to the Ford engine, and Ford say it can no longer be fitted, because of the mods done by the garage, is that unreasonable of them?
J.J. 8:04 AM - 25 May, 2013
phatbob. Did you read the quote? Besides the color and knobs, they are the exact same hardware. No Ferrari engine added. In fact, if you have a ROM Writer, you can write the original firmware back.

If I didn't buy a Vestax product, then why does it say Vestax all over it? The box, manual and hardware all say Vestax. Why was the Audio Firmware updated through Vestax website?

It sounds like DJ TechTools wanted a controller in which the firmware could not be altered. All they needed was for 8 Pad buttons to send out two commands for Splice, so why did they change so many things. So the regular VCI-400 users couldn't use the same TSI? Pathetic. Vestax should not have allowed them to overwrite the upgrade path in the MIDI firmware. If neither companies want to take responsability and keep pointing the finger at each other, that's fine. Just don't expect your customers to stick around. My future purchases and reviews will directly reflect this.
phatbob 9:23 AM - 25 May, 2013
I'm sorry J.J, but I know you're a smart guy. I've used your mappings and recommended that friends use them too.

I refuse to believe that when buying the EGE you suddenly came over all stupid and didn't understand the limitations of what you were buying, or didn't research those limitations beforehand.
J.J. 7:06 PM - 29 May, 2013
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Nice JJ!

Can you show pics of the VCI380 rack mounted? Want to see if there are rooms in the back for cables.
Thinking buying a 10or12/4 all in 1 rack

Here you go. Easy mobile setup. I had to tear my room apart to look for those extension rack screws with fasteners. www.facebook.com Once again, thank to Ty from www.agiprodj.com for looking out for me.

Equipment:
• SKB 1SKBAV8 19" Laptop Shelf
• SKB 1SKB-R104 4 Rack Space
• VCI-380 with RK-380 Rack City Trick, Rack, Rack City Trick
• RANE MP4
• Furman PL-Plus
• Furman GN-LED
• 4" Rack Storage

I originally had the RK-380 Rack ears upside down to lift the VCI-380, but the SKB Laptop Shelf wouldn't close properly because the 380 was to high. I plan to fit my DN-HC4500 in there as well.
www.poweronplay.com

The headphone jacks easily fit because it's raised. Macbook decal from Serato store. The retractable shelf design is genius.
www.poweronplay.com

The Injection molded SKB case is bigger than I would like. I plan on getting a long XLR gooseneck microphone. Any recommendations?
www.poweronplay.com

My next step is to put some sort of foam in the rack storage for my laptop, power supply, USB port and Hard Drive. I have no idea how to do this yet.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:48 AM - 30 May, 2013
How about getting a combo case like this?
i believe you can take off the front panel so you access the front of the VCI380
FabulousFrequencies 7:59 PM - 3 June, 2013
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Apparently, the EGE MIDI Firmware (different from the Audio Firmware) cannot be upgraded like the VCI-400 regular edition. I have to ship it to San Francisco so a man who looks like Jesus can manually write it with a H8 ROM writer. Brilliant. NOT!


Not necessary at all. They had to change and are guarding the firmware handshake over USB. If you could use the same protocol to flash over USB, what would stop someone from gaining an unpaid for Serato license by flashing it for Serato, via Serato? What they are trying to tell you as politely as possible is that if you want to turn your EGE into a stock 400, you'll need to pry a 400's firmware out of it's cold desoldered fingers, and start writing and reflowing raw chips. The 'Jesus dude in Cali' is just plugging it in to a USB port and flashing it as-is with a binary he won't let out of his/her sight. Last I read they are in talks with Serato for a kinder gentler way to allow what you're after. The easiest way to do this would be a write binary that asks for a license key, queries a license database, and once accepted downloads the latest firmware and begins the flash. Then you buy your Serato license and grab the flash utility.
Oliver Giving 7:53 PM - 29 July, 2013
Quote:
After a year of requesting these two pieces of metal, guess what just showed up?
www.poweronplay.com

Yup, the RK-380. The 19" Rackmount Ears for the VCI-380. Ty from www.AGIProDJ.com hooked it up. He's only got a few left so hit him up.

I'm still confused as to why this was so difficult to get. Vestax as a company has lost most of my respect. This and the VCI-400EGE not being able to downgrade the firmware to a regular VCI-400. I hit up the their facebook page and they requested I send email to support. I have not once received a reply to the emails I've sent them. csg@vestax.jp


I personally will never buy another Vestax product again
Maskrider 11:44 PM - 5 August, 2013
I had nothing but praise when I need repair for my vci they are quick to reply. ..
|DJSIGMA| 7:22 PM - 20 August, 2013
Installed CF-X2 Fader and its pretty good better then the stock fader
|DJSIGMA| 7:25 PM - 20 August, 2013
people do your research or always asking to try your system before buying it at your local music store and complaining what does that do nothing
djemdub 12:59 AM - 21 August, 2013
I tend to research a product as thoroughly as possible to be sure that it meets my needs, especially when its expensive! Just sucks that there is a hassle on the 400 to overwrite the firmware. Hopefully everything gets worked out in time and youre able to flash that EGE.

lmao @ the man that looks like jesus part
XRM5 5:06 PM - 22 August, 2013
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I had nothing but praise when I need repair for my vci they are quick to reply. ..



How quick to reply?

I'm about to have to ship mine off b/c the scroll knob & crossfader failed. No one's been able to tell me yet how long it's gonna take. I'm wondering if it's days or weeks...
DJ dVO 6:33 PM - 22 August, 2013
It took me over 5 weeks. Be sure to have a backup since. I am sure you can work out with the retailer for a loaner should you do not have a backup.