interesting ……surely they wouldn't have a booth just to showcase software?

they could cut the legs form under rane buy offering a serato branded sound card at half price of rane

Who cares about half price, will it be the same quality as Rane? I doubt it.

we are talking sound card here IE sl2,3,4……how hard is it to make a quality sound card ,even so a lot of the new up and coming people that have no knowledge of rane/quality it won't matter


example (when djing with scratchLive) when does anyone say aw you using rane? they always said you using SERATO!

that serato name alone is enough to sell the product, or better yet what if they jump into bed with another hardware company?

other example, we are on the serato forum not rane

with all the complaints about serato dj and the end of scratchLive the serato name still stands for something

That would be great then Rane could make gear for other DVS systems....
By the way did you see that VDJ 8 can be used with ANY soundcard. Only Serato and Traktor are still locked to certain hardware. Sooner or later everything will be a free for all. I'm thinking it's going to be sooner.

A new Rane updated soundcard minus the Serato Tax would be interesting.

Actually that's a great idea. All they have to do is take Serato off the box, and change the graphics....

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Yall trippin, why would Serato put out a soundcard at this point when their focus is on controllers, toys, and stickers. Mark my words, whatever they show will be aimed at the autosync, out the box, look how easy it is, dj market.

your saying there going to show a serato made controller?

LoL!

No, you def wont see any "serato made" hardware...mabye a serato branded one

either way it will be interesting to see what they have, i really don't think they would have a booth just to showcase software

I dout it. They're probably just hocking a new line if shirts and phone covers

That shud be the way to go.....buy hardware (- serato tax)

Then use whatever software you want buy buying it ;)

Any soundcard can be used.

Why would hardware without a serato tax be at the Serato booth? If it unlocks serato's software, it'll definitely have a tax and most likely appear at the booth.

And they've already jumped in bed with all the main hardware companies.

Rumors I heard last year were that Serato signed a distribution deal with a major hardware distributor. I'm sure it wasn't for control vinyl and t-shirts.

Rane is why I chose Serato over Traktor.

serato is why i choose serato over traktor it's the software not the mixer/soundcard

When I mix I use a... wait for it... mixer.

but you can mix with any mixer numark rane allen heath vestax…….& when you mix you mix with ….serato…..software right?

no wait for it needed!!!!!!!!

Yes but that wouldnt be "serato made" hardware would it?

Some of us are actual turntablists and the choice of mixer is the most important part of any configuration, I would say even more than the turntables and definitely more than the software.

If you're putting Numark and Rane in the same category than perhaps this is not a discussion you should be participating in.

There is going to be nothing new at the serato booth. its all going to be bragging rights about the end of scratchlive and the new chapter of serato dj plus things that are already out. like flip, serato remote, pitch n time. sticker sync, am mode and dvs pack then , pioneer sz and all the controllers out



no new hardware is going to be at namm y'all keep dreaming

SeratoDJ / Bridge2 demos all day long

yo mean like this here?
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i'll give you that, i was using a rane ttm 52 back when people were still using vestax 05 pro because i knew rane made a superior product


see above statement!

I could see that happening.

Oh snap, no he did not go there.....lol

I'm thinking something along the lines of what Native Instruments does now.

The big difference us Native Instruments is a hardware company, a diverse hardware company at that, seratos just software (a not so diverse one at that) and I dont see them changing that.



nah, theyll have some new bullshit, like a new numark/serato controller that has hungry hungry hippos built in so you wont be as bored while their software mixs for you. Or mabye a pioneer/serato new launchpad that lets you do cam shows for quarters at your gigs.

man he don't make me no never mind ,I've probably owned rane products since he was in dippers

point i was making was the hole reason we are on these rane mixer is serato, if numark or another company would have had the deal that rane did with serato than all of us dj's would have been on those mixers instead if rane….why because sreato scratchLive was a major game changer for the dj community …..it even brought some dj's like yourself out of retirement ……it would not have mattered what mixer it was on


stanton final scratch opened the dj serato perfected it with SSL….so you se homeboy is trying to act smart right? while i speak facts!!!!!!

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^ you still here misquoting people? you must not have found the new miss beezzle yet

Oh I found one, she wanted me to tell you shes gonna be late picking you up from school cause your brother needs a ride to soccer.

^ is that a take on a your mama joke…….lame

what are you 10 years old…….o wait never mind were talking about bezzle here, you see that behavior is the reason the old miss bezzle probably left you & also the reason the only action you probably see right hand while


make sure to use plenty of lotion ;)

you probably see is you right hand

fixed!

FALSE, my left hand is a BEAST!

man stop it, you know you like to cheat on you left hand with your right hand

but yea you just confirmed it! ;)

I hope you're all talking about skratching...

I'm actually VERY excited to see what the RANE booth will be unveiling at NAMM this Jan!

Native Instruments started as a software company. Their company started in 1996 with software synthesizers. Their first hardware product wasn't until 2004 and it was Guitar Rig.

I think M.Bezzle is right. Their maine focus has been pumping out serato on as many controllers as possible. I see no reason to have a new mixer anyway. People are cheap about DJ gear nowadays anyway. Companies make way more money pumping out cheap shit then stuff like a 68 mixer that most new jacks won't even look at anyway.

lol…...
same here

Probably nothing.

Well thats a fact.....

From what I've heard Serato was turned down by every major company and ended up at Rane. From my understanding Serato was what saved Rane. I believe they were up for sale before this deal happened. I'm actually curious to see what happens to them in the next couple of years.

Serato is who saved Rane. Correction.

Fact

As shitty as behringer is im pretty sure they out sell serato and rane combined.....

Well they made enough money to buy Klark Teknik, Turbosound & Midas so I think they are doing okay.

understood, they made in house synth and over a 18 year period grew that to a very diverse portfolio if hardware and software VS Serato, who over a 10 year period, has managed to male a software that slows down and speed up tracks and released it.....twice. The second time being the exact same as the first with a bunch of bugs added and features removed.

THIS, dude the days of top knotch groundbreaking gear are over. Prepare yourself for the release of Seratos new line of controller and software skins.

oh so you already know ;)

I was completely flabbergasted when they brought Turbosound img1.wikia.nocookie.net

The booth is probably just there for Dubcowboy to have a place to put all his collectors swag

Plus one of the top time stretching and pitch shifting plug-ins for Pro Tools. Also you forgot the cool t-shirts and control vinyl.

The need more than one booth.

that was funny…lol


but this was hilarious ………lmao

Gotta agree with this - from my end at least. Heck, if Behringer had vynal emulation back in the day I would have bought into it. I never heard of Rane before Serato. Now I don't go around talking about how Rane mixers are the best ever... I have had little comparison. (original Radio Shack mixer, some old Peavey, Behringer DJX700... and now Rane TTM57). Originally, Serato was just a small black box (SL1) you plugged your turntables into and viola - digital DJ. Only thing the Rane mixer did for me personally was INTEGRATE Serato.

I would like to see some revolutionary stuff at NAMM, but like most here have said, the days of innovative new technologies are dwindling. Only a handful of features on existing controllers/programs left to add. Maybe Beamz integration???

Yup! Those days are definitely over. When I started I had to get two techs, a mixer, some PAs for those cheap outdoor or school parties I made no money one, some studio monitors for the home gig, and weekly spending on records. which set me back a couple grand to start plus 100-400 bucks a month on records.

The new generation can step in with a 200-300 controller and get the job done. Most of them are probably never going to do a mobile gig anyway. If they're too cheap to spend money on CDJs or TTS, then they're definitely too cheap to spend dough on PAs.

To reiterate, a few years back I worked at a spot that eventually had to liquidate all SL boxes and Rane mixes because since the rise of controllers your average person didn't want to invest that much in gear. That, and then I've had the same TTs for over a decade. My 909 and 57SL for mad years. Only thing that's really changed is changing needles and upgrading to a current SL box like an SL3. Gear like that was meant to last. So companies lose on on quality gear. It's cheaper to make less expensive gear and sell em by the truck load.

It's a new day. With all that said, it would be nice to see some eyebrow raising equipment, but I feel like all companies are all just putting the same shit anyway with the same quality, it almost doesn't even matter about brands anymore.

i'm wit you here 100%


but this baawhwhwhwhwwhwhwwhwhwwhhwhw, maybe they ail have grandmaster jay in the serato booth

BAWHAHAHHAHAAHHHAAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!!

I would say Rane is a huge part of Serato being where it's at right now. Rane's reputation along with its support staff helped get people trusting and using Scratchlive. There were a few DVS options, torg, final scratch, vdj, numark's thingy....etc. but Serato was associated with Rane, which was known for their quality gear. Overall it was beneficial to both parties involved.

The irony is most djs think a Serato box is made by Serato and the mixers are Serato mixers.
Most are clueless as to how important rane is.

I think the informed users are actually the minority while the majority just blindly follows OUR lead.

Paris Hilton just won Female DJ of the year award by NRJ, not sure what an NRJ is thou.

very good point.... i think it's like that now in just about every other aspect in life as well.

For the existing DJs at the time when Serato came out, being associated with Rane was a big sign of quality & being a top notch, professional product. The Rane MP24 was the only modern, high quality mixer to use for most of a decade before Serato came out. If you saw a Rane mixer in the booth, you know that club did things right.
Going forward I am sure Rane will not be selling as many DJ mixers so it will be interesting to see what directions they go in. They also sell a lot of contractor equipment, effects & processors so the DJ mixer business may not be the make or break product most DJs think it is for them.

surprise. serato will go back to supporting scratchlive and serato dj separately. =P

im not gonna lie, I had never even heard of RANE until I got serato, it was all pioneer where Im from. As a matter of fact I passed on getting a 57 early on because I had never heard of rane and thought it looked like a toy in the product adds lol

Rane was and still is a small company, making all of it's equipment in a factory in Mukilteo. They were know for quality product amongst high end users. Their mixers were out of reach for many, most people DJing back then would crap bricks spending $800 on a 2 channel mixer.

Even thou you didn't know about Rane, back then, it's reputation weighted a ton. It's push and distribution along with the support staff helped people who knew adopt Scratchlive. In turn helping others to adopt Scratchlive. Rane mixers have always been about business, Vestax made some of the sexiest mixers out (07isp, whoo) but construction and sound quality were always top notch and that is still there motto. They are tried and true and stay away from the gimmicks.

Wait..where have you seen NAMM 2015 exhibitors list ???

It's posted on the NAMM app. They are listed as booth 6464. Actually the map is working now and it shows them sharing the booth with a bunch of other people (Allen & Heath, Novation, Focusrite, Reloop, etc.) so it may or may not be that big of a deal. Either way this is the first year they have officially had a booth at the convention.

An Allen & Heath Serato mixer would be interesting although I can't see Pioneer letting this happen.

I can't see Pioneer really caring. Their controllers run serato Dj anyway. Pretty much every major company has a serato controller.

Ya, the whole point of leaving Rane in the cold was so serato can be a strong independent black woman who dont need no man!

LOL

Watchwww.youtube.com

Totally original

Hey, theres a shocker, you copying someone elses material!

I am talking Mixers...not controllers. It was assumed that Pioneer is who stopped the Xone DB4 from getting Traktor certification when it was released. Mainly because of the DJM-900.

Trust me, I know you're talking mixers, but how many people do you know who personally own the 900SRT? I don't know any. I have plenty of friends who copped a 62 though. If you think about it, even the SZ or the SX can be considered a mixer anyway, but those price points made sense.

I just don't see Pio worrying that much about any Serato mixer. They seem to be really trying to push this rekordbox thing further though. I mean if Allen & Heath does one it's just gonna be another overpriced DVS mixer. Real competition would be if DJ-Tech, Numark or a company like that drops one. Then you'd see results like when NI dropped the Z2 where everyone bought one, even Serato users.

Watchm.youtube.com

I see your point

Lmao

I know about 12 people personally with the 900SRT. I know about 2-3 people with a 62 and one of those wants to sell if for a 900. Not the SRT model though.

Fair enough. I guess different preferences.

I still feel that they've mostly just been repurposing the same products and parts. 800-900-900nexus, 900SRT. But I regress, I still feel the real competition would be in brands that are less expensive as mentioned before. Z2 did pretty well sales wise. Imagine a Serato Mixer under a grand.

Done....serato.com lol

It's a step in the right direction, but I mean a real mixer though. That joint looks like fisher price toy.

And this one:

imageshack.com

not a bad toy a nearly 1/5 the price of a 62. Now if were plug & play no license required i would already own one as the perfect mixer backup.

Speak for yourself, the whole reason I'm on Serato is because of Rane

Anyway, on topic:

Doesn't Serato have a booth every year?

Nope. First time.

so if serato scratchLive was not associated with rane mixers/soundcards you would not be using sracthLive?

Since Serato has gone away exclusivity with RANE, THEIR product has suffered. SDJ vs SSL proves it. Just MY opinion.

i'm one of those people that has never EVER had one single issue with SDJ

You need to play the lotto soon.

lol……..never one single issue since i started using SDJ with 1.3

Did I say that? No, you wanted to speak for all of us and say we'd be on Numarks or something else if that's who made the deal, and I said no.

I was on Rane for years by the time there were rumors of Serato moving into the full on DVS game.

Secondly, when Scratch Live dropped, it was on a box/soundcard, not a mixer, so we were all on our regular mixers regardless of who they partnered with.

Hmmm, I guess they've always partnered in the Rane booth then, because they usually have their presence there at least.

Laptop specs, OS version and hardware, thanks

you right ,but humor me what if there were no sound card when serato was released & you needed to use a compatible mixer & that mixer was a numark this would be the only way to use scratchLive


would you have not given scratchLive a try because it was a numark mixer & if you been djing since the 80's or 90's than you remember numark used to make really good mixers


i purchased the original TTM52 when it first dropped


2.2 i7 8gigs ram 60 gig solid state osx lion SDJ 1.7 ddj sx/ddj sr

Not officially but yes they were there.

It has been my experience that this by NO means a coincidence and is quite easy to achieve if the will is there.

Ya, Seratos always piggybacked on other companys booth the same way they do with hardware, so if you see a serato only booth watch out cause its got termites and might fall 9n ya

the box/soundcard was still RANE

So serato DJ works the same way as the green lanterns ring?

LOL. Could be. BTW I am not aiming at the typical "Serato crashes........... it's all YOUR fault" thing. I am just saying what do you do about it if it does happen?

What does that have to do with what was originally said?

Let me slow it down...

Joee said, the "whole reason we're all on Rane mixers now, is because of Serato".

I said "speak for yourself, I'm on Serato because of Rane".

What is it that you think you're contradicting me on?




You guys go around in circles so much trying to prove each other wrong/catch in contradiction, that it's too hard for you to keep track of the actual conversation.



When Joee got his 52, I had this: dj.rane.com
(pre-"i" version)

Before that I used this: dj.rane.com

And this: www.rane.com

^ Not only was that a standard in clubs, it allowed guys like me to reverse the CF before anybody knew what hamster was.


You personally never heard of Rane before Serato, but the majority of DJs who'd ever played a high end system/club install (years before DVS) knew what Rane was. Serato didn't lend credibility to Rane, Rane lent credibility to Serato. Before that they were a Pro Tools plugin.

I was on Rane before Scratch Live, I was on Rane before Scratch Studio, I was on Rane before Pitch N Time. Serato has nothing to do with why I'm on Rane, did all the guys who like Pio mixers stop using them because of Serato?

It wouldn't matter to me, I was strictly clubs those days, I wouldn't be able to just bring in a mixer and tear it out and swap with an install. So I would've had to use Final Scratch, which I considered except that I still had up to date records at that point, for multiple genres. Anything that was truly hard to find, there was always CDJs in the booth, Final Scratch wasn't that imperative at that point.

TBH I didn't buy a Scratch Live mixer until 2010, 5 years after already using Serato.




But they didn't make good mixers when SSL dropped, so it doesn't matter.

I personally know about 30 or more dudes with 62s and 0 with an 900srt.

Yup, that's the mixer I learned on. I hated that effing thing! Though the sound quality was proper, the EQing section & Crossfader left A LOT to be desired. It was effing expensive too....paid nearly a Grand for it!!! I got more enjoyment out of this....
dj.rane.com

Yup, at least in the beginning. Now in the digital age of DJing, I would say that Serato are keeping Rane relevant.

mind = blown!

im guessing this is the gold mine, because I've used SDJ with mavericks and yosemite, and there's more dropouts than a high school full of weed heads.

my 13" retina has osx moutain lion no issues there either i use it every friday/saturday not one single problem with music or video

yeah, I'm pretty sure lion and mountain lion are stable as can be... i don't recall seeing any real issues with lion or mountain lion. Seems most of the issues are with Mavericks and Yosemite.

but then again you have to factor that SSL works flawless on anything... so i know SDJ has a lot to do with a lot of the existing problems.

Serato has definitely taken a bigger bite than they can handle with the whole SDJ and taking on 5 million controllers. Ive read some bug threads where Serato has admitted to knowing about certain issues but still releasing the software anyway. (usb dropout light being too sensitive)

I did.

So if serato had made an exclusive deal with numark, would still be on RANE gear today?

So because you did, everybody did?





I already answered that question, adequately. I don't know why you keep trying to hammer at that point for.

I also said that I didn't even buy an SL equipped mixer until 5 years after using Serato. To add to the Numark question since you're so fixated on it, I bought an NS6 as soon as it dropped, it's still sitting in the box.

I've also looked at Traktor on Rane hacks before.

Your problem is you try and turn things into something they're not. Joee said what he said, I said "speak for yourself", nothing more... and that's all you're going to get out of me Bezz, pick an argument with somebody who hasn't been around, it'll get you further. I mean you're still using a a hypothetical situation in which you've had to actually alter history just to bait me into contradicting what I said to Joee, take a break man ;p

lol ;)

a friend that i sold my 2008 pre unibody macbook pro 15" uses mavericks every week serato dj 1.7.0 no issues at all……i whipped the drive and did a clean install of mavericks

it's a 2.4 core two dual with only 4 gigs of rams

LOL all of this had me remember something (possibly relevant?)

I was once offered a local sponsorship to use Numark products on TV about 2 years before Serato dropped, I refused. They even brought me in to the distribution office to demo the brand new TT's, I still refused.

I was simultaneously offered Vestax PDX 2000s and mixer to use on the show, I tried them, didn't like them (the decks) and I was given a week with them to try and change my mind, I did actually warm up to them and used them, but I refused the mixer and made the TV show buy me a Rane, just as I did with another show before them.

I use what I use because it works for me and I trust it, the software and marketing hype is secondary.

I use all three Rekordbox, Traktor & Serato so I have open availability with hardware. I used Rane PRIOR to Serato. I now STILL have Rane Mixers but Prefer Pio. I believe this is due to my shift in music/play style. I have the benefits of Rane Sound..................... when I need it and Pioneer technology/FX..................... when I need it. There are certainly trends but I don't know if any of this is so cut & dry nor is it applicable to ALL DJ's.


I do know for a fact that If Serato originally made a deal with Numark I would probably NOT be here today.

I agree, thats why I still use my trusty numark dxm 09! lol

Lol... all jokes aside though, the DXMPRO was more than a decent mixer.

Im not even joking lol, the dxmpro was just a dxm 09 with a better faceplate

Totally original

It is actually...

Just like I said.

Naturally

Hey team,

Sorry to disappoint but this isn't accurate, we don't have a booth at NAMM 2015. We will be there in force though as usual and will be hanging out on our partner stands :)

Cheers,

Sam.

And there it is....

nm

Boo. Damn NAMM directory.

LoL, nearly 1/2 a month and over a hundred posts later...

Maybe they were still deciding. Maybe whatever they are going to release isn't going to be ready.

Maybe the check did not clear?

they have a controller with moving platers………shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

& they got the licensing to make the mini 1200, like the ones biz mark was using……shhhhh!!!

keep that between us……shhhhh!!!!!!!!

I told yall

Jeez I really hope we hear some Bridge 2 news.

youtu.be

Serato has had their own booth in the past. Its only been the last 3 or 4 years that they piggy back off of their hardware partners.

Now to answer this:



Rane was definitely not the last hardware manufacturer Serato tried to team up with. They went after the quality companies at the time and fortunately for all they were able to team up with Rane. Rane was NEVER up for sale or in danger of shutting down. At the time Rane was was still doing very good with TTM56 sales, live gear, and Dragnet.

Before I worked for Rane I worked at a record store. When I saw Final Scratch come out I was immediately intrigued but also heard that Rane was going to put out a similar system. I waited because I new that Rane products were/are top notch... unlike Stanton.
I trusted Rane.. and still very much do.

The trust that I and others had for Rane was a HUGE contributor to the success of Scratch Live. The partnership was definitely good for both companies but without Rane's worldwide distribution channels, top notch support (and we all know supporting software is of the utmost importance), and trust Rane had with their users it would have been much harder for Serato to come forth as a leader in the game.

I wouldn't read between the lines too much guys. We're having the same presence we've had the last few years. I'm guessing that's a mistake in the listings.

Sam.

Classic. I thought it was a go though. serato.com

Sorry. This information was told to me by a distributor at the last NAMM. They have been in the business awhile so I had no reason to not believe them.

Damn Zach. These threads need a like button! Well put.

Anyone else hear a rumor about the 57 being revised and the Sixty One being phased out?

Figures... you've got all-world turntablists like DJ Precision wishing they had never sold theirs.

this would be a good thing


?? only if they didn't sell well, come to think about it the 62 is definitely worth $300 more! maybe they didn't sell that well

What do you think that they are going to do with the TTM57? I have the TTM57 and i love it, i wish we can replace the internal serato box... anyway I like Serato SL more than Serato DJ.

if they do make a new ttm57 mk2……best believe it will be for serato dj only!!!!

i hear theres a new mixer on the way,looks like its going to be a rotary but dont know if its a desk top or rack

I'm hoping Serato at least lets us know if they will support the new Pioneer control in Serato DJ. Maybe take advantage of the screen built in.

Do you mean this?

www.djtechtools.com

OH, I SEE NOW.....

You mean this.....

Watchwww.youtube.com

Dayuum, I missed this announcement!

i've just been sent a pic of what might be Rane's the new mixer

postimg.org

^ With a ScratchLIVE logo? ^

Yeah, I don't think so.

put a serato dj logo on there & people just might believe it

i did say "might be"

So true....I also must say, that the support staff at RANE has been nothing but top notch. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of SDJ. SSL has been rock steady for me; however, I felt that with support stopping soon, I may as well try my hand with the NEW and So-Called IMPROVED Software. I have never gone into a set worrying if/when SSL was going to crash. It seems as if now, I'm praying to the software Gods to help me make it through the night.

seems like a mockup someone did years ago... I wouldn't see a mixer like that coming out anymore.

That looks legit.

Carrying the SSL torch! lololol

..imately fake.

Get ready for Rane 2015!!!!

SDJ has been very stable for me on the SL-3/turntable and DDJ-SX systems I use. I actually prefer SDJ over SSL any day of the week.

computer specs? usb buffer? enabled plugin?

Mid 2012 MBP
2.7 GhZ Intel Core i7
16 GB Ram
1gb Video Card

USB Buffer: 5ms

Enabled Plugins:

Serato Video
Pitch N Time
SP-6 Sample Player

I also use Mix Emergency.

Never had a single crash. No issues of any kind since 1.7 for me. This applies for four machines (all I7 MacBook Pro's 2012 & newer) with hardware from DJM-900SRT, SX, Akai AMX, Rane 64 & quite a bit more. As far as Plugins & expansions go............ all of them except for the SDJ upgrade as I currently do NOT own any SDJ Intro controllers. I rarely use Video but have for testing purposes. No ME though unfortunately.

Anything from Rane? On there Instagram, they hinted about something coming out.

Less than 24 hours to go and my lips are sealed :)

...excited...

Mixer, controller, SDJ update?

Ditto

I can't give anything away, sorry guys.

Shocker

he just confirmed something new is coming out

new ttm 57sdj maybe

A pimped out digital 56 with a 8x8 sound card, RGB buttons and MIDI/HID controls galore would be effing tits.

I'd sell my Pio DJM T1 if that happens.

Yep, totally :)

I have a feeling everyone will be happy (*fingers crossed*)

he just confirmed a revised ttm 57

Rane controller. No doubt.

LOL!

(nm)

he did it again…….lol

Halo 3 confirmed

Really? Is that what you call customer service??

Then I have to switch to Traktor!!

Muhaha....my plan is working ;)

Did Shaun just say that they are releasing a Traktor mixer??

Confirmed.

Nothing wrong with that. If Rane is to continue on a viable path they ought to innovate and explore new endeavours. Otherwise they'll wind up like Alesis.

LMAO!!

Shaun,

When will "it" be available and how much? I'll PM you my address and credit card number ;)

Well, it's Jan 22.....should be okay to spill the beans no? :) Oiy, I am more than excited about new Rane product.

We're announcing two different things today at 10am (Pacific). Availability for one will be February and the other late Feb or early March.

Only 3 1/2 hours to go! Eeek!

man thats old news, you already said a revised ttm57sdj is on the way…….lol

Updated RANE measuring tape?

Ha ha ha, you guys really know how to put words in Shaun's mouth!

tracking!

2 hours until the ............. and the ..............!

:-D

Rane turntable and Rane new traktor collabo....!

Really Excited to Talk about the new Rane "thing" too!

I have a feeling its gonna be a very popular item this year :)

You guys are killing me here:D:D

This would pretty much clarify it is NOT the Traktor partnership. Did anyone actually think that is what it was?

aaaaaargh ....

Namm is looking better than last year already..

Was about to get a used ableton push but the novation pro looks nice at about the same price as I was looking to pay for the push.

or keep my pennies for the new rane "thing" :)

10 PST

Fixed.

I have bad news, we're pushing the announcement date back until......just kidding. ONE more hour to GO!

Rane seam to have their announcement locked down, everything else is leaking onto the web like crazy at the moment.

Shaun, will Rane's website be updated right away with "these" new products? I'm curious about the specs and details...

I'm curious if there's someone there feeding Twitter with updates all day for those of us stuck at work :)

Just bookmark this page.

45 mins to go....

Feels like Apple announcement all over! LOL

CANT WAIT.

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WTF did I think I had to hit CTRL along with F5? LOL Learned something new!!! hahaha

Yes, as soon as the clock hits 10am, we'll update our website dj.rane.com and post stuff to Facebook, Twitter and Instagram :)

My Serato page actually reloads pretty fast automatically though. I get a Ping on my phone for new e-mail then about 5-10 seconds later I get the new message on Serato. LOL

If its a controller i may faint. just saying

The denon box thru me enough today

Thanks, I'm monitoring all Rane sites :)

link?!?

serato.com

Calm before the storm...

after all this .. I need to pop out for 30mins now so gonna miss the announcement :)

Please tell me this is not real....

www.gearslutz.com

I don't like the screen look

Same here.....

well serato dj is open to anybody doing boxes so wouldnt suprise me. not exlsuive to rane

;-) >>> serato.com

the other one...?

dj.rane.com

Cool. Think I'm straight with my 62 though.

Smoke! I love you Rane. Was looking at 62 but this is for me. Was really hoping for a controller from Rane but oh well....

Rane TTM57mkII



sounds like an Iron Man costume

Here we go! dj.rane.com

rane 57 refresh dope

Yeah rotary!!

Why no channel LEDs?

But are those joysticks?

Hope Rane comes out with something special cos am tiered of all these companies merging with Serato DJ just to get a piece of the cake & forgetting to keep it professional like RANE. What happened to the good ol days of SSL?
Even Hercules, Gemini & so on are jumping in. Hmmm......

I was looking at 62 as a new mixer for me. I couldn't do the Sixty-One but this 57MK2 does it for me right here! P&A please....

On the new 57 I mean...

shaun will new 57 with scratch live and serato dj ??????

Shaun, No Rane turntable this year? That's ok, I'll PM you my credit card # for the 57Mk2

Looks like it.

Serato, no bridge announcements?

Doubt it. It says dedicated SDJ and there is also the "Things to know" SSL Vs. SDJ difference link right on the page.

Someone in Product Development lost their minds.

ok cool so thats why i love my 62 i get both but would like those colored pads in my 62 :)

I'll be getting the rotorary mixer. Perfect for home set up.

I am going to say that the scratch live party is probably officially over and this mixer probably won't support it.

I'm so happy to see a 57 refresh without all the skittles LEDs. THANK YOU RANE! A professional looking mixer. Simplicity of the old school design with new features, YES!!!

They pretty much flat out said no. Also I am not sure how much sense it would make in terms of moving forward. No shot against SSL as it IS what got us to where we are...........

For the joysticks that is. The channel LED's are located up top seemingly.

Second that!

The new 57 looks nice.

dj.rane.com|58

Only for SDJ

I love the rotary 2015!

The TTM57mkII is also nice.

Nice job, Rane!

i called it didn't i ……lol

new tom 57…..

So does the 61 sell for the price of the 56s now? Which it should lol

Oh shit, I missed that! (just woke up)

I was going to say on first impression, two cons, one major and one minor.

1. No channel LED (but that's solved)
2. Possibly not able to support SSL (I know it's on it's way out but I still use it)

But they brought joysticks back! (Major plus for me)

www.numark.com




Yeah this is LITERALLY NS7II with the triple screen setup that Numark offered years ago. LOL

Yeah and 2.) is seemingly a def. It seemed that way in the original link but dj.rane.com this confirms.

Damn

Any prices?

and shaun a kit to add those pads to our 62's .............:)

Did you guys notice the split cue though? wink wink

I wonder what it's going to cost

i would guess the 57mk2 is going to list for the same price as the original 57

it has 2 sound cards dont count on it

The pads on this thing are really dope, Rane really nailed it.

ya they did. need a kit for these for 62 :)

Please and thank you.

rane guys say wont fit 62/ silicone rgb and back lit. so nice

Was just gonna say. I am assuming the actual button mechanism (not what you can see but what is BELOW the surface) is different unfortunately.

I'm hoping we can map these differently though, I'd rather use the INT as CUE1 (just a workflow for me)

Here’s the bottom line — the Rane TTM57MKII will be available late March/early April for $2199, which is around the same price as the Sixty Two.

Source: djworx.com

True. But it'll have to be in between the price of a 61 and 62, no?

Personally I don't even care for the two USBs. I feel like they did that so the would have to justify the pricing not being close to the price of a 61.

Bummed that there has been no Advanced SP-6 announced. I thought for sure Serato was gonna drop that on us for this NAMM :-/

More expensive than the 62? WOW

A little steep. $1800 price point would be perfect.

Say it ain't so!!!

whoa.

but at least it has split cue now =)

$2199 MSRP but it will probably go down after they get hit with the reality of people wanting to pay what its actually worth.

Ridiculous price

Getting the rotary.... Thanks range

That is a lot :/

They should've just kept one usb and made it the same price as the original 57.

I like the 2 USBs but over 2K is much.

Not for nothing the 64 retailed at $2199 as well but I got mine for $1799 the week of release. Just do the homework and it will be found for less. I doubt for the $1799 as said retailer coincidentally no longer carries Rane products lol BUT I am thinking $1850-$1900 won't be all that hard to find. Start saving now so no payment plans are needed and you have more leverage in your bargain hunting!!

I need to see this thing in action.

Nobody pays MSRP... I guess this will be around $1800 USD.

A lot of dudes are going to blow their tax refunds.....Thanks Rane. That Rotary mixer is INSANE. You want to talk about club installs now? The old school dudes will have this on their riders. Bet the house and kids on that.

still i would take a 62 over this for that price.

That is way over priced!!

The sixty four is a better deal.

Exactly. This should be around 1700 MSRP. Although you won't pay the 2199 price you will still spend at least 1700.

You guys see this shit!!! An SL2 made by Denon. Who the "F" allowed this one?? LMAO denondj.com

100% agreed

Well, SSL & Rane was a partnership/marriage.... not SDJ. Hence SDJ being available on other companies' controllers. Remember the whole itch thing.

Serato whoring it up

Absolutely. I am just having a hard time find any real differences between SL2 and DS1 besides the SSL compatibility. The DS1 will be $299 and the SL2 is still $499 MSRP? Seems a bit sneaky IMO. I dunno.

hahhah wtf!!!! thats so weird. to see another box.

I feel like every time Rane releases a new product people are complaining about pricing. You are paying for a top audio quality made in the USA product with an incredible 3 year warranty and a great support staff.

The main differences will probably be build quality and sound quality.

FYI MSRP is always WAY more than what the MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) is going to be.

Yeah I was staring it at first like >................................................. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?????


I would expect this from Gemini or Behringer etc. but not Denon. I was hopeful for something to get them back in the game.

IMO so far this year.


1.) Rane
2.) Pioneer
3.) Numark
4.) Hercules/Korg
5.) Denon

JUST my opinions though and probably too early to call anyways.

holy new contollers. new ns7 mk 3 is cool

As we noted above. IMO It's all good with the pricing. Rane earns every dollar they make. I wish my other brands all handled their support as Rane does.
In favor of the SL2. I agree. BUT you think this matters to DJ "ScratchNsniff" who is just starting out on his 9 month career of DJing today? LOTS of these dudes LOL.

Was really hoping for a 4 channel dvs ready Twitch/S8 like unit.

Ya but what about the new 57 warrants it costing as much as a 62 when it does less?

I'm assuming this will be cheaper than a 62 but I'm not sure why rane would want to market this and take away sales from the 61/62. Real life, it's not much of a difference than the 62.. Don't get me wrong I love my 57 and my 62 just trying to understand the reasoning, why market 2 mixers that are very similar and probably not that far apart MSRP wise..

The new club kit thing is dope. no more switching boxes out on a nexus 900

and from rane its not replacing 62 . 62 still has features 57 mk2 doesnt

Well the SL2 will be more because Rane and Serato want to make the most money out of a partnership. It's always been sneaky. I always said this about the mixer pricing on rane/serato mixers. It's not that they're these amazing expensive mixers, it's that both companies wanna walk out with the most bank.

I feel like like if you don't use SSL then a DS1 would suit you rather than an SL2. Price wise.

Ya but what about the new 57 warrants it costing as much as a 62 when it does less?

ya, bit what does 57 have the 62 dosent

what new club kit thing?

This is where things got weird. I agree. My theory is that the 61 was supposed to replace the 57, but it didn't match in specs because they wanted to keep selling the 57 stock. They'll probably do the same with the 61 and phase it out or make a lower msrp.

MY GOD so was I. I LOVE my S8 but every day I wish it was Serato screens I was looking at instead!!
Was wondering the same thing myself? What is this now?

But it doesn't cost as much as a 62. The MSRP on the 57 MK2 is $2199. The MSRP on the 62 is $2499.

I posted above yesterday the rumor I had heard about the 57 Mk2 being released and the 61 being phased out. That may be the plan.

serato.com

Ah I see, I think the 61 sold poorly due to pricing and lack features. I could be wrong on the sales, but I don't know anyone who owns one. They either kept their 57 or bought the 62.

Club Kit info...

serato.com

Shit just got serious...

Allen & Heath DB2, DB4 and Xone: K1 Support
• A new collaboration between Serato and Allen & Heath will allow users of their flagship DB2 & DB4 mixers to take advantage of Serato DJ and Serato DVS, without the need for an external interface. Users can create a powerful DVS setup with the addition of the Xone: K1, which will also have Official Serato Accessory support in a forthcoming release of Serato DJ.
• The Allen & Heath DB2 and DB4 will work plug-and-play with Serato DJ, with the one-off purchase of the Serato DJ Club Kit.

The TTM57mkII is missing hardware FX--which both the Sixty-Two and Sixty-Four have built-in.

I'm so confused lol. Why two more DJM serato mixers? So now 3?





You make a great point! They can't possibly ask as much considering the other mixers have hardware FX.

Totally agree, Ragman......DB2/4 support is HUGE!!!! Damn, Traktor sure did screw up not making them Traktor Scratch certified!!!

Yup. The got into bed with Pioneer and blew it.

Not new mixers :) The DJM-900NXS and DJM-850 are club standard mixers which now will support Serato DJ via USB with the Serato Club Kit license pack.

You can now head to the club if they have one of these mixers and connect directly, without the need for a separate interface.

The Pioneer DJM-900SRT still remains the flagship Serato DJ supported Pioneer mixer and doesn't require any extra license as it's plug-and-play.

Sam.

you more mixers with sound cards will be added to.

Price breakdown.

Rane Sixty Four MSRP: $2749
Rane Sixty Two MSRP: $2499
Rane 57 MK2 MSRP: $2199

The 57 will be cheaper.

Thanks for clarifying that.

If you use the equation of getting the mixers about $1K cheaper than the 57MKII will be had for $1200.

REally excited to see and try the new pads on the 57mk2.

NEW pads, DUAL USB. Great!

Serato is turning into NI. Putting out so many products that due almost the same thing. I miss the days where you had 2-3 options. And those options were very different and clear as day.

Cheap - Prosumer - Pro

Now it's all over the place. It's all sales, sales, sales. You get comfortable with something for a year then they drop another the next year to make your old joint feel worthless lol.

Pioneer's move though is interesting. Making an existing mixer serato capable. Very interesting. So if only the original 57 had a usb 2.0 sound card they could've done the same thing.

@ Samuel S


Please look at this picture www.facebook.com

Now tell me again what makes my SRT better than my 900Nexus in terms of Serato? Define this flagship title please?


I do NOT see any reason to be happy about this. This actually means that the most money I have ever spent on a DJ mixer was now in vain, no?

Isn't that the case when you buy any Pioneer product. They've been in this habit for years now.

IMO this was NOT Pioneer's doing. This was Serato. SUCH a bad taste left in my mouth right now................. I spent a LOT of money on this thing.................... why?

Hold up! So why did they need to release a 900SRT when all you had to do is make the software available for your 900NX and you're 850?

Weren't there people that sold their 900nxs to but an SRT?

Now i'm confused again. lol

You don't require any extra license, it's supported by Serato DJ plug-and-play.

It's also not in vain, if you bought the DJM-900NXS it'd be almost the same thing, except you would have to also purchase the Serato Club Kit.

Sam.

"The new TTM57 MK2 keeps the same design as the original, adding a set of dual USB 2.0 audio/MIDI ports"
Are we not seeing USB 3.0 these days? this thing will be already outdated in 12 months.

S

This was because they had an exclusive with Rane. Now they can get that money. I am really not sure what the problem is. The Pro stuff is the expensive stuff...haha.

I could care less about the Pioneer move. I am more interested in the Allen & Heath move.

Traktor is pretty much screwed at this point. Serato is working with everybody which is going to widen their user base. Pioneer is probably trying to cover their bases with Recordbox as they don't have the exclusivity with Serato that Rane did.

$169 is not a lot to add serato to an existing mixer. Way less than buying an SL3 or SL4. Way less a hassle selling your 900nxs to buy a 900srt, no? I imagine some 900nxs owners did this when the 900srt came out. That's kind of messed up.

USB 2.0 has no problem handling up to 24 channels of audio and has a wider user base. Also...can you name any company that has released an audio interface using USB 3.0.

@ Samuel S

But I was plenty happy with my Nexus. I just wanted the Serato connectivity without external SL box. Explain to me now why my purchase of the SRT WHILE owning the Nexus WAS a good move now?

Don't get me wrong I am a constant defender of Serato (ask anyone here) but I fail to see how this should not make me upset.

He doesn't understand usb 2.0-3.0. To him it's just a higher number and doesn't understand how audio works. You're right, there are no usb 3.0 interfaces. Most if anything, went thunderbolt to free up ports. Also the pro ones like universal audio will have dual thunderbolt for daisy chaining.

...and that's where they get ya. It's all about money and sales.

The 900SRT also has *four* phono inputs/pre-amps!

be it as it may.. all I know is fuckers complaining about the first one all the time with its 1.0 - so how is this still not 2 years late to the party?

Any comments on the missing VU meter?

My problem with this is that a DJM-900SRT costs about $300 more than a DJM-900NXS for what is essentially the same mixer with Serato support. You can now get this same support for $169 so new buyers have no reason to buy an SRT and SRT owners basically paid more for something that is basically a software code and two extra phono inputs.

They aren't missing. They are there.

there are channels meters and master meters???

yes

That's because USB 1 actually prevented it from certain features even at the time. Even then, NI's audio interface and other companies were using usb 2.0. Never really understand why rane or serato went that route.

This would be a good selling point for someone who wanted to connect four TT's. I have six and have not connected any more than two in the past 5 years or so.

4 phono inputs, LED colors, magnetic fader on the SRT that's about it. NONE of these justify the almost $2,000 this mixer cost me.

I remember when the SRT came out it was tough enough justifying the purchase of the SRT when you had the Nexus. Now.................. IMPOSSIBLE. There is NO justification. I got my Nexus for 1,150. The expansion costs what $100 at the most? Instead $2,000 on now what would be considered almost the same exact mixer!!!???!!??


See it WAS too early to call I just didn't think it would be ................... this.


Pioneer's announcements - Cool
Rane's announcements - Awesome
Numark, Hercules, Korg, etc - ehhh

Serato's announcements - F....M....L!!!!

People are complaining because Serato no longer supported it because they said it wasn't compatible with Serato DJ. I am guessing there are other reasons as the DDJ-SX is USB 1.0 and works perfectly fine with Serato DJ. I can understand your concern but realistically the 57 was an 8 years old product. Most companies are assuming you are going to get 3 years on a product if that. if the 57 MK2 last 8 years it is another classic.

yeah, this does seemed kinda jacked up.

BING BING BING!!!! lol That's pioneer or srt for ya. I say pioneer because they're a greedy company who pumps out products every other month.

Serato is getting their money right. They will have almost every DJ out there buy the Serato Club Kit for $169. Think about how genius a move it is. They are basically selling you the right to use Serato DJ on a mixer we knew all along would work with Serato DJ.

Despite the BS they serve us about magic fairy dust inside Serato DJ certified mixers Serato DJ will work on almost any mixer with a USB soundcard. Serato = pimps DJ = whores

While I agree Pioneer has a completely reckless release schedule which basically shits on all current owners (then again this is the way of life and profit) this to me seems more like a Serato decision. Plainly put (at this point) the SRT should have NEVER happened and the support should have just been added from the start. I would have done anything for a glimpse into the future knowing this would happen.

There were even threads on this where most of us agreed "nah they'd never do that to us" and "how would current SRT owners feel if this happened" BAM!!!

If that's the direction things are going...
So, serato, can I get support for my DJM-T1 and my Denon DN-X600? :) I'll gladly pay 169 each.

I doubt it though. Wishful thinking.

I don't want to believe this. After all the money I have put into MOSTLY Serato gear. Now peeps who spent WAY less with NO intention of using Serato EVER will have the same capabilities I do for what $170
Seriously though. At this point where is the line drawn?

Seriously right!!? Lol

Probably can't be on discontinued mixers even though i just got a djm-t1. its a big ass two channel mixer. Would love to not have to bring an sl3 on top of that for mobile gigs.

That new denon box is so small. kinda cool

Your first mistake was thinking there was a line. These companies are about making profits. Nothing else.

Honestly I mean this. I always put Serato in a different category. Always have. I can not believe how wrong I have been. As little as this may seem to some this to me is as ruthless as it gets. The Denon DS1 thing I mentioned earlier yeah kinda a slap in the face towards Rane mostly but this one helps EVERYONE involved (Serato & Pioneer) while burning who?


That's all I'm gonna say about this. It's not like I am trying to start an uprising. It's not like I can do anything about this (well probably could ........... but won't) and in the end I am just at a loss.

Companys become comapnys to make money first. always rememebr that and the exclsive deal with rane is over so why not expand. makes sense.

Serato is starting feel like the Goldman Sachs of DJ'ing. I wish I had their business sense.

The pioneer 900SRT vs 900NXS is a real dirty move though. That one's really messed up. Like MAJOR messed up.

yeah man wtf!!!!!!! there go the sales on the SRT.....i see a rise in the nexus ones now. damn that sucks for SRT owners.

i want a 57mkII asap! was close to getting a 62 at one point but i like the 57 more.

if your 900NXS is under warranty than flash it with the 900SRT firmware. If it breaks send it back and you don't know what happened. If it works then no need to buy a BS expansion pack.

No new advancements announced for SeratoDJ = MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT!!!

All we have here is more hardware and licensing.

While he may not have formulated his argument correctly, his question should not be dismissed. So there aren't a high number of USB 3.0 interfaces right now. That doesn't mean that it's not a viable path to take.

USB 3.0 offers several advantages over USB 2.0 that I think manufacturers should take a serious look at. As an example, USB 3.0 has eliminated polling, and replaced it with asynchronous timing. USB 3.0 increases the allotted power specification for devices.

While there are several other improvements (some obvious, such as the increased bandwidth capacities), the biggest one here that will probably affect audio manufacturers is that USB 3.0 is FULL Duplex (as opposed to USB 2.0 having been half-duplex).

The other problem you're faced with, in terms of Thunderbolt, is adoption. Despite being an Intel technology, Thunderbolt does not appear on most Intel devices outside of the Apple space; and contrary to what most people believe, Audio Manufacturers actually have noticed that there is another segment of consumers that use their products.

You bring up some good points.

I actually first saw thunderbolt on an HP. Not trying to start a PC vs Mac war, I appreciate them both, but if you're doing production or DJing, it's waaaaaaaay less of a headache on a mac. Like a said, the pro level audio interfaces use thunderbolt and there's a good reason for that.

At this present time there are manufacturers like RME doing Amazon things with USB 2.0. I'm not knocking your comment but USB 2.0 is more established, has a wider user base and is more than sufficient for what these mixers require.

Amazon = amazing.

You'll get no argument from me there. I have my thoughts on why this is the case, but those have been explored in other threads before, and this is not the time for that.


Indeed, USB 2.0 does have a very wide userbase. However, USB 3.0 is also backwards compatible with USB 2.0 - granted, that may present some difficulties to the manufacturer.

It's about time other boxes are made for SDJ, RANE prices are just crazy!!

I welcome this!!

Something tells me this Serao DJ club Kit will only be available for the mixers listed and ones to be released in the near future.

Something about the name 'Club Kit" though. Would be really nice if they supported other mixers though.

I really hope the DJM2000 get the Serato Club Kit also.

I just recently purchased an SRT... Now Im left feeling like a jackass for buying it.

At least give the SRT owners a free CLUB KIT.

I don't have an SRT but, totally agree with you here.

whats a decent resale price for 62?

They should just go ahead and open it up to ALL Pioneer mixers.......... Would really love to use my DJM T1 with the SL3.

$62

nm

deejaydave, how can you compare a used mixer price to a new mixer price?

MAP difference is about $400. That's $170 for the license, and the remaining $230 would be for the magnetic fader and the additional phono pre-amps. I don't think you are being ripped off. However.. I think Pio+Serato never really explained the price difference in a proper way and therefore I was surprised too when I heard that the 900SRT costs $400 more than the 900NXS.

A question to Serato+Pioneer:

How comes that the 900NXS, the 850 are supported, but not the 750? Are there technical reasons for that?

Okay, on the pictures it looks like there aren't any channel LEDs.

Doh! They have been moved to the top! This is a change compared to the original 57.

:)

I am not comparing to any dude off the streets. I am saying what my scenario was. As a whole this seems like a great move but IMO there just should have never been an SRT is all I am saying.

The 900Nexus was cheaper for me and especially being that now the 900Nexus is actually the more flexible mixer this is a huge burn.


900Nexus you get Serato DJ, Rekordbox AND Traktor Scratch support with no hacks or anything as all three are officially supported now.

900SRT you get Serato DJ, Rekordbox but only Traktor Pro2 with no DVS.

That's pretty effed up. Didn't realize the 900NXS was a traktor certified mixer.

Oh yeah. And even though you CAN use the SRT natively with TP2 it is in fact NOT a Traktor Certified Mixer. This means the Nexus is certified on all three major DJ platforms now......... YAY!! LOL.

Man, if that DJM-T1 can get that Serato DJ Club (Highly doubt it) I can get that TP2 scratch and SDJ action too, without an SL box.

One of the reasons I Still use the 57SL is for road gigs where I don't feel like bringing a box or extra cables.

So should I return the SRT and exchange for a NEXUS?

Im still within my 30 days.

The DJM-900SRT also has other benefits, it's got tempo synced FX and fader start, which the 850/900NXS don't.

It's also got 4 phono inputs, magnetic (MAGVEL) crossfader and is supported as a plug-and-play Serato DJ device - requiring no additional license.

It's a great mixer.

Sam.

So no videos of this thing yet or what?

(57 I mean)

Would have liked to see a rane controller or a better higher end one from Denon. Oh well. Nothing new for me this year.

57mk2 does look dope tho!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks!!

I hope the switches respond like the ones on the original 57 (which were perfect) not the ones on the 61 (which was the most disappointing part of that mixer to me) though they look like the ones on the 61

directed straight at djdave: remember me? i was the one whining about this 2 years ago when the srt came out. actually i was whining about this whole srt thing and the no cdj 900 hid support (which has been added, thank you very much). i dont mean to say i told ya so, but i'm sort of glad somebody else is feeling my anger towards this whole industry now.

it's all just software. the rest is pretty lights and marketing. look at your 'new' 57 mk2, ns7III, denon serato box - there are no massive changes here. a second usb port? a screen (that was on an older model i hear?)? a serato box thats the size of your phone? (isn't it cool to have a phone thats bigger now?)

it's just history repeating itself. it's just another sx to an sx2. a scratch live to a serato dj. an iphone 5 to an iphone 6.

im starting to feel like the smartest guys in this game are the ones who bought their techs 20+ years ago and left it at that. my god, i envy you. dave it's clear to me now: we've all gotta draw our own lines and stay behind them. i'm sorry you got burned (and you did get burned), along with all the others that feel this way. i've been there, and while i never owned an srt, i'm not gonna be the one jumping for joy so i can pretend someone did me a favor by making my nexus do what i knew it could do all along.

I do remember. I even brought this up earlier. You too can vouch that I have ALWAYS been one of the biggest supporters for Serato in everything they do and every decision they make. Even when it does not make all that much sense. I always thought to myself there MUST be a reason...................

What happened today was a tough pill to swallow and I for once found myself doubting everything I have thought to be true about a few things.

It is what it is. I can not change the past and can only learn from it and change my aspect for the future.

you've always been a pretty optimistic and open minded person towards almost every corner of discussion we've had. seeing a guy like you get mad over something like this hits me harder than normal because of how open minded you usually are.

welcome to the dark side, where new christmas lights don't change the way we look at the same old tree anymore :)

LOL.

from Sam S in the blog post:

if anyone didn't see the DJ tech game going to the way of modern electronics and yearly, incremental upgrades years ago, I'm not sure what you were paying attention to.

Same shit is going to happen next year, a bunch of slightly better stuff with maybe one, must-have (or at least people believing they must have it) feature, a slightly better controller or mixer, something slightly cheaper or whatever. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I have no doubt there's a list of features all these companies are purposely delaying in order to rollout a slightly improved version next year. If you're into the updates, you might stick to a 3 year product cycle if you're lucky. If not, be prepared to be pissed at "missing out" on something every year.

Writing has been on the wall for a long time - the days of getting techs and being set for the foreseeable future are long gone.

This is it, the new reality. Find something that fits your style as much as possible and get the best quality you can instead of trying to chase the latest features and you'll probably be happier.

Been saying this for a minute myself... seeing TOO many dudes in here and around me just wasting money on bullshit. be it for whatever reasons - to brag on FoolTube, to brag among their friends, or they're just gear whores in general. wasted cash. SMH

My opinion about the club kit is that if it let me use Serato DJ on the Z2 for $170 I would be using it and so would a lot of other DJ's.

Now that we know the 'Magic Serato Fairy Dust' that makes Serato DJ work with mixers is strait bullsh!t, Serato will have to come up with other excuses on why the Club Kit doesn't work on any mixer with a USB soundcard.

You already know the answer to that.......... "LICENSING"!!

XDJ-RX2 The EMD Edition

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At first I was like, "What's the difference"?

Then I saw it, and laughed!

No pitch or line faders.

In all fairness he should have gotten rid of the crossfader. At least meatheads know to use the line faders only. How they gonna "throw" up their banger?

surely more apt for hip hop?

Exacry!! LOL

All the hip hop djs I know use actual turntables, be kinda hard to sync hip hop beats since they are all around the place compared to the EDM standard BPM 128 now and days.

Controller djs be like "That's not funny"!

Surely you couldn't have been remotely close to serious when you made this post.

Im just trying to be funny! Im not serious. =) Sorry man, don't mean to hurt your feelings...

We all joking up in here!! No harm no foul :)


There are good EDM (although I hate the acronym it is the easiest way to describe) DJ's and I try to be one of them. No denying when you have a good hip-hop DJ they are usually as good as it gets and KNOW there way around a TT. It does NOT happen often but when a DJ knows how to scratch it is like a sweet serenade from the heavens. When a DJ THINKS he knows how to scratch and does NOT it is worse than a bad EDM DJ though too IMO.

I am a controller DJ now, and I thought it was funny. Then again, I am NOT uptight about the controller vs. TT debate.

I find that hard to believe. Let's take VDJ for example, they can use ALMOST ANY soundcard on the planet!! Your trying to tell me that they are paying all these companies to be able to do that?? GTFOHWT, Serato is just fucking us!!

After this bullshit with the 900nxs proves they don't give a shit!!

That's sort of what I am saying.....Serato wants that licensing fee.

Oh, okay, I understand where you're coming from now. Disregard last post.

Prices from AGI:

www.agiprodj.com

www.agiprodj.com

i'd say we maybe able to get them for $1,200 & $2,200

Those are street prices not MSRP.

I think he was joking.

Looking back at historical discount numbers for the most recent Rane mixers I think it would be fair to say that you may be able to get a sweet deal on the 57MKII if you are patient and look hard enough.

Those numbers are a high starting point. Not happy.

What's really unfortunate here is that the rane 61 was actually a pretty damn good looking mixers. If only they had added a few more midi/cue buttons own there plus the original 57 ins/outs there wouldn't be a need for the 57MK2. It could've been a 57MK2 by default.

I would gladly take a 57MK2 without the extra usb for the same price of the 61.

$1550 - $1600 and $2600 to $2700 with discount. Maybe.

Buncha Rane 61s popping up on craigslist lol.

I'm thinking $1650 but I would LOVE to see your numbers instead ha

$1575 and $2600 pre-order.

ha ha ha.

Confirmed? or guess?

LOL and SL2s. You should see what the used rane mixers go for now. It's ridiculous. Especially on guitar center.

Comfirmed for me and just about anyone else.

Question: Is it necessary to upgrade your mixer? Or is it just a preference to get new gear all the time…

I know a dj who is rocking an old school 19" numark mixer and a couple of turntables, but producing better mixes compared to djs with newer equipment.

Just thinking out loud

Nice. I wish my retailer still carried Rane as I like giving them the business. Oh well.

if those are agi dj prices expect to get them $200 cheaper


agi sold the 62 for $1,800 on preorder i payed $1,625 on preorder from another store

It's not. I still use a 909 and 57SL with an SL3 with TTS, but I also have newer mixers that have midi capabilities so every 4-5 years I guess it's good to upgrade to adapt to new features.

This must be a regional thing. Here in LA the only Rane products that have lost value in recent time are the SL1 and the original 57. Everything else is holding steady value.

Tough call. If Rane catches wind of a dealer doing major price cuts then they could lose their ability to carry Rane products. Its happened in the past so if you are getting major hookups you may want to keep it on the low.

Definitely regional. I'm in NYC. 850 is the lowest I've seen on CL for 61, and 600+ on Guitar Center. But not sure what state that was in. 62s range from 1200-1650 depending on who's selling. Crazy.

That's why retailers hide the price and do bargains offline, i.e. offer the phone or in person.

^Lets stop talking about this now please thank you

The second set of numbers ARE the "$200 cheaper".

Hahaha word, I won't jinx the deals for other people. Noted.

Let's refrain from continuing this convo before the make the MSRP the actual retail, or worse, we'll only be able to purchase the mixers directly from Rane or Serato. lol

got you, a store other than agi