My full agreement in every point!! Serato DJ is definitely an absolute disappointment! Its sad that i have to use my DDJ SX with VDJ, as with Serato Buttons dont work, my library is "too huge" to get loaded and the program is constantly crashing. Its impossible to work this way...

I agree with the above comments. I had started numerous threads and recieved the same BS. "downsize the library" thats no fix. Wait until The SSL users need to use this program when the change over takes place.

I don't have any major problems, and am 90% happy with DJ.

I dont green that the large library issue needs to be the number one focus though. Every day I get new tunes I wonder if that's the day I went too far

*I do agree

Hi Over It...,

Obviously, it saddens me to hear that you feel so upset about Serato DJ.

Moving to one platform is no easy task, especially when you have people so passionate about the products we've made prior (Scratch Live for example).
The thing is, now that we have committed to just focusing on one platform the existing problems and any future problems will be easier to fix overall.
I understand the large library issue is a major bummer, but don't think we will let it always be a problem. We are working on it. As soon as we can have it fixed, it will be fixed.
We are committed to making the best product possible. We hope that you see that with regular updates in the past and upcoming updates, we always try and address the major issues facing our users and customers and fix them.

I've moved this into the general discussion area now.
Feel free to write your thoughts and opinions. We are busy right now, but we are listening. We value your opinion, positive or negative.

Regards

Matt P

I have yet to encounter these issues. I had to research the large database issue as I have 80,000 + tracks all SYNCed between Serato, Traktor, & Rekordbox (cue points, loops, beat grids & all) to the T. I have no issues EVER with any of the softwares to be honest and if any at all would have to say Rekordbox the most, Serato the least. I also look at the problems over at Pioneer & NI and have come to one conclusion. There are many variables but seemingly only one constant involved in most of the issues. The issue being PC. Now if anything I think ONE THING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON is PC's have no place in the professional audio arena. This can be debated but in all honesty the debate from the other half is dismissible as look where its coming from. I can guess by the responses above that I am probably in the minority (on this post) simply because of the issues discussed above. Again 80,000 tracks (some 320, some 128, some FLAC, some WAV, etc........) I don't feel making cheap & generic claims against Serato is fair when being made by individuals utilizing cheap & generic platforms (PC's).

SO I ask of the users above (not looking to see "it doesn't matter" or "so what") Do you use mac or PC?

I would agree with some of the points stated in this discussion,
however there is no way i am 'converting' to traktor.
if you guys could fix serato dj's 1.3.0 that would be awesome cause it is causing problems where as the version before hand didnt.

I use a macbook pro, that is about 7 months old.

What problems are you experiencing?

I don't agree.. But this is just me..

Sorry, but that is totally bullshit!

I use both PCs and Macs for over 15 years now as a DJ and also for recordings in my studio. I never ever expirienced major problems with my PCs: Traktor, Virtual DJ, Cubase, Reason, Studio One, Ableton, GuitarRig... even free and opensource software like Mixxx or Audacity. It all runs reliable without big troubles or crashes in live and recording situations.

The only exception so far is Serato DJ! And i tried it on my Thinkpad PC AND on my MacBook Pro, and on both platforms its far far away from stable and reliable to work and earn money with it.

Just take a look in the forums... Its obviously that there are huge and major problems and thats not only some single users are affected.


What?! Sorry Matt, but thats exactly what you dont do! You sell new FX Packs and iPad Apps and implement new controllers, but you dont fix major bugs and issues which sometimes even exists since version 1 of Serato DJ. The forums are full of examples, people who doesnt realize this have to be blind...

What problems are you experiencing with the MacBook Pro & SDJ?

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Running Serato DJ 1.1.2 on a 2009 Macbook

Again, I'm NOT talking about a Macbook Pro. I'm talking about a plain old ordinary 4-year old Macbook, and I have had NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER.

Sorry Dave, i will not spam this threads with the problems i have. If you are interested, take a look at my other forum posts and you will see, already talked about it several times in several other threads...

The point here is:
Its a fact that a freaking huge amount of users and customers got serious problems and troubles with Serato DJ. And that the respond time and "service" of the Serato team is kind of useless, as they are wasting their time with unimportant new features instead of fixing major bugs that are known since v1.0

I dont want to hear:
- "You have to buy a Mac to use Serato"
- "You have to strip down your music library to use Serato"
- "You have to open every sub-crate on startup, as you cant open sub-crates with the button on your controller"
- "You have to deactivate an effect before changing to another one so that Serato will not crash"

WTF is this?! Just lame excuses and awkward workarounds.

I bought an expensive controller with a "professional" software to earn money, and i want it to run reliable in every situation...

Why don't you give them a chance to work out all the kinks? There will be multiple updates and fixes as they always do. Stop being so impatient.

This I agree with and frustrates me.

Nobody is being impatient....this has been going on for quite some time.
I am still unsure how they missed this during testing....seems like an easy problem to recreate.
I can make mine crash every time in 1.3

Yeah, this is a problem that has existed since day one of SeratoDJ.

However.....
I have to agree with this post. No software is perfect. Take a gander over at NI's forum, you'll see the same shit. I'm not sure how long you've been using Serato's products, but this is pretty much the way shit goes down. Be glad that they at least acknowledge their issues, and make some attempt to address the users......again, I am comparing Serato to NI in this instance.

Serato are merging their 2 major products into one, so if within a year the major issues aren't resolved, then you will have all the right in the world to be pissed. But cut them some slack. Also, I'm not some apologist for Serato. Have a look at my posts throughout the years, and you'll see that I have been every bit as critical as you (probably more so). But I have faith that they are at least moving in the right direction now, and I am willing to (for now at least) "wait & see".

If you find that Traktor, Mixvibes, or VirtualDJ offer you the functionality that you "need", then just switch until Serato get all of the kinks worked out. I bought Traktor and an F1 a while back because I think ScratchLIVE's, Itch's, and SeratoDJ's approach to the Sample Player is pathetic....but that doesn't mean I'm going to ditch their software all together.

Use what works for you. Constantly dogging on them isn't going to get you what you want any faster....trust me, I know.

@DJ Val

I understand and appreciate that they are merging the products but I think the gripe is about releasing a new version of SDJ to support new effects and the iPad app, people purchased the app and effects only to find out that 1.3 is not stable.
I am in that group, for example I've paid $19 for the effects and $20 for app to control them and I can't use the products as advertised .

I agree with you. To be fair: Serato doesn't tell you that you should use a Mac. That's what some of these "we know better, you have to follow our path"-guys are trying to tell you.

Also the thing with the effect and the library advice is a work around. No one at Serato will tell you that this is a long term, permanent solution. They are working on it. Personally I wish the priorities had been set differently. But this is a single opinion - unfortunately.

This whole post sound like its coming from the kids in the back of the car who ran out of apple juice. In time things get better. The title is "One thing we can all agree on" and obviously not everyone agrees with this. I should have realized when the actual title is false the majority of the posts will be false and/or fluffed up at the very least. Enjoy the pity party though. I can't be bothered tracking this anymore though.

No need to say good bye. It would already help if people were not just giving stupid "switch to a Mac" advice. And just because *you* didn't come across any issues on your Mac, doesn't mean, that there doesn't exist any Mac issues. Ever thought about the fact that SDJ/SL is supposed to run on a Windows system too? That's what's being advertised. PEople read this, then they buy their equipment based on this. Of course they will be mad, if things doesn't work as advertised. It's their right to be mad, and to voice their opinions.

I am glad for you, that SL works fine on your Mac. Unfortunately that won't help the PC users seeking help and advice.

Move it along people, nothing to see here........just another broke wanna-be dj with a cheap old laptop requesting a pity party.

Hey pdidy....way to be helpful!

I hate when someone bashes a software, especially when they write:
"One thing we can all agree on, Serato DJ is a Huge Failure. I'm done."

I for one am very happy with Serato Dj and I'm pretty sure theres more users satisfied than the opposite. I've used Macs and PCs for DJing and they have both worked well for me. Bottom line is MACs are better built for music production/DJing out of the box than PCs unless you wanna mess around with fine tuning it like i did.

Not to say theres no issues with Serato Dj but most of the time it comes down to the Laptop/Equipment you're using.

My personal advise, if you're using a PC, use it just for your music/DJing.

So I know I'm not the minority and take a look at it from our side.
I have been using Serato since it first came out.
I have never had a serious problem other than a firmware issue with the 57 ( I forgot to update it) on my MAC laptops.
I know a lot of DJs (over a hundred and many here in Vegas ) who don't have problems with Serato. They are all MAC users and some PC.
So when we see "One thing we can all agree on" threads that don't apply to us, of course we react.

IMO the Mac vs PC debate is something that should not be an issue, many users that have PC's are running with far more resources than the Software requires...bottom line is that if serato says you need certain specs and you meet those it should work. I've been running PC since the beginning with no issues till 1.3, so up until a couple months ago Mac performed no better than my PC. I shouldn't have to buy a Mac... serato should fix the problem or stop telling us it will work on a PC!

Oh you mean like the troll who started this thread ?

Are you down with the conspiracy ?

i have my issues with SDJ but to say its a total failure nuh am not gonna go that far... i also think a updates from most people be happy with it.. time will tell.

I dont agee...Serato DJ is the ish especially with a pioneer DJ SX with a MacBook Pro!

t.qkme.me

I have ZERO issues with my NS6 and VCI-300, and I have no issues with SSL either.

I love SDJ, Sure there are the memory issues and some features from itch and ssl that i would lile adding to sdj! But it is a great software and on myacbook works really well.

Sure there is alot of hardware supported on this software and will prob not be stable amd feature rich untill like 2015/16

But for what it does at the moment it does it well enough todo my job and get paid.

I must be a minority to run sdj with a PC and not have any major issues or showstoppers. SDJ is great and its not even a year old yet, give it some time. I'm guessing they did the FX and iPad app to help with funding on another huge project, like fixing the DB issue or maybe the huge improvement on moving the software to x64 architecture(highly unlikelly)lol. but one thing that i have learned as a Serato user coming from ITCH, is that you have to be patient and sooner or later, the issues will get resolved. Serato can only move so faster.

Bottom line is "WE DON'T ALL AGREE"

Dam, I was just about to call in my guys from.....
soentertain.me

What controller?

Again, I've had ZERO problems with Serato DJ running on my 4-year old Macbook, but I can understand how somebody with a PC would be frustrated.

Frankly, I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was waiting for a bug fix and/or stability update meanwhile, the software developers were busy putting out effects packs and iPad software. WTF, Mr. Gribben??? Get your priorities in order.

But for the record:
No, your opinion is NOT something that we can all agree on.

+10000000000000

I am using the NS6 with a dell XPS 14 Ultrabook. 3rd gen core i5 @1.7GHz turboboost to 2.6GHz, 4GB RAM, SSD, and HDD

Please don't speak for the rest of us, I have had zero problems with serato dj and the ddj sx so far. Zero.

Never had any issues with Serato DJ, too! With ITCH there was a time i had a few but for SeratoDJ everything is fine and I'm looking Forward to getting DVS-Support with my SL-2

.... ThinkPad T520 with Windows 7 Pro. Useing Serato Video, FX, Slicer and Sampler all the time

Disagree.

Been using serato dj since day one and itch since day one and scratch live since day one and maybe 3 or 4 issues in that time. small ones so dont speak for all of us. I work for a dj company that has 14 djs and we all use it without issues so not sure who you are speaking for.

Ive had issues with Serato and still do, but I cant agree with you on this. Im running on windows 7 no problem. The issues I had before were due to me not setting my computer up to take the strain. Now I have, Serato's running smoothly. No crashes, glitches... anything.
The problem I have with Serato now (well, since i got SDJ) is the midi configuration for the Pioneer SX performance pads (Its in another thread). I will agree that their order of priority needs to be rearranged. Did we really need scrolling cues/loops and effects? Why not sort out the album art first? Was changing the played tracks to blue necessary? No it wasn't. But I still find it better than grey. What ever happened to saved loops? And why cant we launch loops from the performance pads? Why update support for generic controllers that work with any software but do nothing for serato specific controllers? Now that this numark controller is out, will we ever get support for the sx? Are we going to have to cough up money for every new effect pack? Kind of makes me feel cheated. I still haven't bought the purchasable fx packs as I am still wary of what they will actually sound like. The demos are shit and there is not enough details online about them. I am however, greatly anticipating a huge burst of awesomeness to come from Serato like a giant cum bubble out of your mothers nostril and I cannot wait!
I, for one, oppose your claim that Serato's a huge failure. They may be failing you, but I'm British and I'll make do.

They sound good, and I personally don't mind paying for them. For Christ's sake man, they need some way to take in additional revenue from people after their initial hardware purchase....remember, updates are free after all.

As for updating generic controllers....again, that's to bring in more revenue from Intro to DJ upgrades. Serato are not the filthy rich software mega-corp that Native Instruments are. They need the revenue to pay the developers that make the products better.

I was expressing my opinion upon the topic of this thread. I did not ask for your opinion, therefore it is useless.

Actually what blackavenger said is more fact than opinion. So it's definitely a useful statement. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for my input, but I figured since this is a forum, i can comment on anything I like as long as I follow the rules. Right?

this is a Discussion forum, therefore every bodies opinions, ideas and comments are open for Discussion. I cant believe you didnt know that....lol

Ha! I did know that. I knew it as much as I knew I could put money on you posting soon after, pdidy. And your opinion is always useless yet sometimes faintly amusing. Do you have a life outside seratos forums? Do you even own any of seratos hardware? Do you even have a computer at all? I see you as being some bum who uses internet access at your local library to troll forums you have no actual relation to just to try and better you pathetic life by annoying others. To anyone who wants to brand me as a troll at this point... read any thread. Any thread. And ill put money on pdiddy posting obnoxious coments.
"this is a Discussion forum, therefore every bodies opinions, ideas and comments are open for Discussion. I cant believe you didnt know that....lol" read the forum rules. Then read this entire thread again, take note of your remarks change the topic to a pc/mac debate. How have you not been banned? I suppose you'd just set up a different account under dr.dre or snoop dogg you unoriginal fuck. You cant even come up with your own insults. I bet you own a kindle but put an apple sticker over the logo. Haha MASSIVE WANKER!!!!

Anyway, Ragman.


Paragraph 1: the only fact there, is that updates are free... so far. His opinion on what the fx sound like and what they are worth are, belive it or not, is an OPINION!

Paragraph 2: little bit of fact about getting peeps to upgrade. Huge bullshit about serato being some sort of underdog company. Im guessing keeping an eye on seratos stock market never crosse your mind. Theyre actually doing really fucking well. But then the money taken in compared to the productivity coming out doesn't relate. Serato are rolling in the dough. So, I can totally tell where the guy who started this threads anger is coming from.

Anyway, now I have been rendered a total hypocrite, I shall gracefully leave and stop tracking this thread.

Believe me, Tekon, you're unlikely to find a more critical user of Serato products than I. Don't believe me? Go through my posts over the years. I'm no apologist. There are issues that to this day drive me mad with frustration that they have not been addressed yet. Having said that, I have explored the neighbors yard, and found the grass to be a lot less green then over here. At least the Serato developers have a relationship with their costomers. At least they listen to our suggestions. It may take them a looooong ass time to implement them (if at all) but again, at least we have "some" input on the direction of the software.

Serato are making a big change to how they have been operating over the years....they are merging two different platforms into one. That's no easy feat. Native did this from the start, and whether you'll admit it or not, they are a powerhouse in the software development world when compared to Serato. They develop loads of performance & production, software and hardware. So without any doubt, their coffers are going to be considerably deeper for R&D. It's like I said way above, if the major issues aren't worked out within a year after the merger, then every user "should" be up in arms. However, considering the huge job Serato is doing by merging ScratchLIVE & DJ together, I would hope that some of the naysayers would cut them some slack.....at least in the interim.

That's not to say you shouldn't continue to make suggestions, and voice your concerns. It's just to say, they deserve our patience right now.

If I can still be patient after 6 years of begging, pleading, whining, and screaming for an improved Keylock Algorithm worthy of the makers of Pitch n' Time, then surely you can for these otherwise nominal issues.

By the way, Serato, if you are reading this, I am willing to "pay" for a Keylock/Time-Stretching Plugin if that's what it takes. I'm sure that the rest of us who have been asking for this over the years would as well.

Yeah yeah opinions ares like arseholes. Everybody has one. But would you want to see an arsehole unless asked to? Neither would I.

I agree with you. We should be patient. Did you miss the bit where I stereo typed myself. "Im British so I'll make do" IE I'm happy with what ive got regardless of any issues. Maybe it was a simple misinterpretation. Maybe not.

Anyway, the topic here is Serato being a "huge failure". Not my opinion.

I am using serato for some time, started with scratch live, i must say it works rock solid, IF your computer matches with serato specs. because end of the day all dj softwares no matter which company made 'em depend on your computer. so before blaming serato one must look in to their computer.

Wow, i'd be lying if i didnt say that was amusing :)

Ok so lets address the obvious, youre trolling....ok i get that so your comments are not to be taken seriously. But for the sake of "Entertainment" for the forum users I may be willing to accept your Challenge to my credibility in regards to "Do you even own any of seratos hardware? Do you even have a computer at all? " provided you're willing to keep your trolling civil and not attempt to get the thread locked due to your embarrassment.

Apparently you have a lot of pent-up frustration in regards to me so here's your opportunity to discredit me........The floor is yours...

pdidy please send me an email for u please

Pm me

I gotta admit, I'm disappointed with Serato DJ. I've jammed with it lots at home, but I commonly run into a crash and end up switching back to ITCH with a sigh of relief. On my DDJ-S1, functionality that was advertised for the hardware under ITCH has been removed, or became broken and has yet to be fixed:

Under ITCH, I can adjusting beat grids with jog wheels without interfering with the track playing, but under SDJ you don't dare adjust beat grids at a gig, or you might as well just randomly nudge your jogwheels for the same effect.

Button illumination ON/OFF for FX is now ALWAYS on, which has led to plenty of slip-ups. (Having to check the FX ON or OFF state on my screen tells me this idea of getting us to stare at the screen less or use the keyboard less only applies when there's a new feature to tout.)

The overall curves and structure of the mixer section are completely different from ITCH, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, except too often, slight adjustments sound very exaggerated and sloppy under SDJ.
...But more frustrating for me, either the LIMITER kicks in prematurely or the LED output levels on the mixer section are misleading now.

... And while I've had responses to my reports of these problems ... They're still present.
Meanwhile, SDJ reminds me of the days when Traktor merged with Final Scratch ... which sent many loyal users like me over here to Serato in 2005 - where suddenly things were GREAT, and remained that way. But I really don't want to jump ship again.

Ugh. You had to bring that up. Yes I remember that dark chapter in history. Very ugly times. However I don't think the problems with SDJ is comparable to that. Don't get me wrong there are issues just not that bad. LOL

I've had more than my fair share of issues with Serato DJ as well…FAR more than I ever had with Itch or Scratch Live. However, with that said, I don't think it's a failure as a software product. In fact, the distance it's come over the past year is quite the testament to Serato. And now that they're bringing DVS support to it makes it even better! I look forward to what it will be once version 2.0 arrives and beyond.

YEah nothing is as bad as that little moment in time. nothing.

We're in the stock market?

^ That's what I was thinking ^

Le sigh...

Haven't had too many problems with 1.3 - 1.5 crashed like no tomorrow and I haven't tried 1.5.2 yet.

My biggest issue with dj is that I wanted a direct port of the features and UI of scratchlive and although it's close, there are some annoyances. I have no problem with new features, but why remove features we're used to?

Neutered 3rd party midi implementation, changing waveform views, even simple shit like moving controls is just annoying ...

i.imgur.com

Im very happy with Serato DJ and dont have any issues other then what I asked, which is being checked up on. I cant comment on Serato Live as I have never used that software. Im gonna guess Serato Live has some issues with its first batch of updates?

What is Serato Live?

Serato Scratch Live?

I was just making sure their wasn't some new 'ish I was sleeping on.

I'm sorry but minus a few controller mapping adjustments (for me anyway) Serato is the only option. Go to N.I. if your not happy I'll guarantee you'll be more disillusioned. I stuck with Traktor for the early year's and have no regrets WHATSOEVER switching to Itch, infact I'd say due to Serato its enabled me to get to a level I aspired to 20 years ago.
User base has quadrupled so there are bound to be hiccups along the way but pace of devolopment is catching up far quicker than with Itch

I came from SL to ITCH to SDJ so far smooth transition....

Oh from PC to MAC too....lol

Serato is not available at the stock market.

But this is interesting:
Interview with Sam
www.interest.co.nz


www.nzte.govt.nz

We're all thankful that Serato is doing well, because this impacts us users of course.

best quote from that interview... "we design software for drunk people"

Haha.. missed that one :)

man i felt like sam was talking to me directly....lol

the U.S. has always been the centre of popular music culture.
Wtf?
That's why the US is 10-15 years behind Europe on the dance scene or 'Rave' or 'EDM' as its packaged in the US. Its no coincidence that BT was no 1 all over Europe with 'loving you more'
Meanwhile in the US Billy Rae Martin and his excellent 'Achey Breakey Heart' was no1. No-one can match the hip-hop and R&B that US artists release but dance music and 'popular music culture' snowballs hope in hell spring to mind!

Wow, "Loving You More"...what a great memory. Thanks, clearblu. "Ima" was such a gooood album!!

Yeah, Europe's Dance Music scene is lightyears beyond the US'. I wish I could be there, cause I am sick to death of North America's obsession with fusing Pop Culture with the Underground. I'm so sick of Popstep & Electrohouse.....fuck Trap too.

I wish we cared about the euro dance scenr over here.... but we dont

Cheers

Nothing to do with Euro dance AT ALL, its the industry itself (you must dj in a nice protective US bubble). I'm trying to think of an American Dj who has been in the top 10 of all dj's in the WORLD and can only think of Markus Shultz,Wolfgang Gartner and Diplo.
Cheers

Well, even though Ritchie is from Canada, the US can still claim him via Detroit & New York.

I'm missing out the godfathers of Chicago House and Funky house so add
Roger Sanchez
Junior Vasquez.

Who is this Europe you speak of ?

Watchwww.youtube.com

I've just nearly chocked on my tea and scones.
Scott that is waaaay good!

Who?

Scott...You know I watched that whole video...

Cyrus,you see I'm showing my pedigree here I think of Billy Ray and Martin just follow as the Cyrus just doesn't compute in my head.

Haha!

That record and I have history.
FIrst time I almost got fired from Djing was when after what seemed like the 1000th request for it one night, I got on the mic and said "You want Achy Breaky Heart? Break this!". Then I broke that record in three parts and threw it on the dance floor. The GM, who use to be a DJ walks over laughing and hands me a drink. Tells me how he is so glad I won't be playing that song anymore but if I ever throw something on the dance floor again I'm fired.

for reference

serato.com

:-0

lol

guess they are at the center of european culture since they created house and techno as well?

Yup, House was created in Chicago, and Techno in Detroit. That's why it's sad that North America sucks so bad when it comes to it's current ststus within those genres....hell, within Dance Music in general. Europe picked up the ball and just ran with it. I can't think of any genre of music where the US is innovating....maybe some of the stateside DnB artists, but that's about it.

But, this topic has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

We should change the name of the thread….lol

us artists are innovating. the scene not so much. but its not like the UK/Europe doesnt have its share of awful pop music. people start to idealize places and while it is stronger, its not necessarily the shangri la that people make it out to be.

I'm all about having this conversation with you, Mr. Goodkat, but not in this thread. If you wanna take it to PM, or start a new thread, I'm down.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Well, considering that I was mainly referring to the UK....yeah, I suppose it is ;-)

Dance music isn't all bad in the US. Mainstream dance music sure. It's the same as stadium rock in the 80's. Didn't mean that all rock was bad then did it?

If you look at labels like Fade to Mind, Dirtybird & Body High are all pretty damn good and doing a pretty good job of making and playing innovative dance music.

The whole vogue thing too. That is pretty innovative and has spread into the UK and beyond. Even Jersey club music, footwork/juke...

There's a truckload of innovative awesome electronic / dance music from the US. You just have to look for it more.

Agreed. And the Beatport Top 100 is NOT where you look for it, either!

yup.

Yeah, I had forgotten about Juke, and your definitely right about Dirtybird as far as innovation is concerned. I'll concede to your points. Still, maybe it's just my region of the country (south east), but the scene pretty much blows compared to overseas...hell, even compared to how it was here just 5 years ago.

The UK and broader Europe have better scenes.

True. Atlanta is on the down swing for music creativity as well. There's a lot of crap here (especially the hip-hop scene). I've been rockin' a lot of old school because of that fact.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Epic!

its funny because when you meet a lot at afterparties (not all) or see them live some of them end up playing southern rap. Ive seen and heard of entire international techno and bass crews at afterparties and its all pretty much southern rap. even brodinski recently did a collab with beatking. recently as in last week.

meet alot of the uk/euro djs that are in that bass/techno/future garage scene

I don't know about broke wanna be DJs as I am not one. But I am having the same issues as the guy who's complaining here. So, dont know what YOU use Didy but this DJ over here is having MANY ISSUES with SDJ using DDJ-SX and MacBook Pro.. Very disappointing.

What do you mean by Southern Rap, Mr. Goodkat? You mean oldskool ghetto 'ish like Master P., CMB, Lil Wayne, TI type stuff? Outkast/Goodie Mob? Or the surge of Trap that is taking over? Just curious...

nah just like current mainstream rap. brodinski is playing knuck if you buck in his sets and just made a song with beatking. his label is all techno. and of course im not talking of the old techno stalwarts, but the new generation of guys. Just seems that alot of the younger guys are really going techno-bass-future garage mixed with american rnb and hip hop. it works perfect because of the tempo.

some details would be nice, maybe we can help.....

Mainstream Rap with Techno and Furure Garage huh? Hmm, though I like Brodinski a lot, and am aware of his mashup style, I'm not sure if I would like that very much. I loved his Fabric Mix...it was varied a lot between styles. Though, I am willing to give the stuff you're talking about a listen. Do you know of any mixes available online with him mixing like that?

I started a new discussion addressing them...

well i think this thread already kinda sux, because its not a disappointment to many people. so im just gonna keep talking about techno and europe and rap

BA, i would say watch the boilerroom set of brodinski and gessaflestein(sp)(always spell it wrong) would be a good place to start. I know its not what most people would dig, but i do like that it has found a common denominator to appeal to the masses and it shows their appreciation for what so many U.S. citizens hate and criticize. maybe its because they can only understand the beats and not hear the words. French techno and house guys even have started a lean house(slowed down house to around 100-120 bpm) movement that clearly is borrowing from the houston screw(RIP dj Screw) sound.

same with me wanna get NS7 2 but Numark should have went with Traktor. the software is just to garbage to play out in public without getting embarrassed.


Rane will problaly start making their stuff for another company. I don't think they will risk their reputation on sucky software.


80,000 Traks is not really alot of tracks I am very happy it works for you. But for a lot of us using over 500,000 tracks it don't work out so great. We have have to keep goung thru our libraries to see what can be eliminated. As for Pc's I use a macbook pro 16gb ram and a 2.8 Ghz i7 processor 2013 model and I still have problems cause serato can use all my resources and it make me feel like I shouldn't have spent $2100 on a new computer and get the same results I get as using A 2006 regular macbook.




Please Don't Upgrade and Don't add new music that could turn out really bad.



I agree serato key-lock sucks so bad when I go to clubs I have to go ask the dj to turn off key-lock. I can tell when it is on and that it is on in a serato product drives me crazy



+1 Wish it was smoth like Traktor's which is smooth like louis the 15 whiskey

traktor isnt as smooth as louis the 13th, or louis XIII, or louis tre, but its much better than ssl.

^^^^^ imagine if serato add pitch n time in sdj 1.6....

people have been saying that for years. i guess thats why people are so pissed about it. its bad, but i guess if i wanted really good top quality sound i'd be playing vinyl on a super quality mixer, not mp3s through a pioneer.

Who's playing MP3s? Not me, and I definitely want a better Keylock. I mean, it's not as though I use it all the time, but when I do want to, it sounds horrible. I can get away with it's shit quality live, but not when you want to record. To tell you the truth, that's like the only thing left that I have been begging for throughout the years. I had been begging for a Sync'd SP-6....they delivered. Same with FLAC support....delivered, LOL, though it did take eons to happen!

im not against it at all, it just looks like its never gonna happen. maybe by the time ssl is over with support they can get it done. look for it in SDJ 4.8.

Haha.....probably so.

we all know the last version will be SDJ 2.0 then it will be retired for Serato One.

I got a Mac and still have issues like a moro...

I got a Mac and still have issues like a mofo...

Hey Rams, have you hit up the support team or opened a help request for the issues you are experiencing? Chances are we can find out what's wrong and help you out.

Sam.

honestly, there's NOTHING wrong with the fucking program. It's the fact you FUCKING LOSERS all want to blame Serato for the fact you're using a SHITTY COMPUTER! 99.999999999999% of the problems y'all bitch about could be fixed if you spent more than $400 on your computer.

Seriously, I'm glad dickheads like you are switching to other platforms; Serato has already made their licensing money off you & now some other company can do the same! It's only YOU that loses here. Do you really think Sewrato give a shit about you or your inane rumblings? What problems with the DDJ-SX? I've owned one for over 15 months and NEVER an issue, even when I used an AMD based PC before switching up the to the KINGS of computers, Apple. You get what you pay for.

say what you want about me & my choices of hardware & software. I'm not the one with crashes, bitching about switching platforms, etc :D Go back to your shitty, unreliable as fuck version of SDJ & your crappy, probably imitation DDJ-SX lol.

FUCKTARD.

Great Professional Response Mark Quest!

Here Mark, have a snickers. You know how you get when you're hungry. :-)

Watchwww.youtube.com

Haha!

Lol
I'm sure there's a lot of experience users that want to say what mark said.

Why does Mark's statement jump out as the most factual & useful post on this thread? Your experience is 90% what YOU yourself make of it. You put the time, effort & money into something and there is no doubt it will flourish. While Marks statement may have been a little harsh it gets frustrating when people just don't get such a simple concept. It just seems a little too weird that there are people who still have substantial issues while I have 4 completely independent rigs (4 laptops, 4 SDJ interfaces, 4 controllers/CDJ setups, etc.) that run almost flawlessly. YES there are known issues that I experience but they are NOT debilitating & I am able to work through it with little to no inconvenience.

The most frustrating part is when "DJMe2" starts a thread because he can't get his Fisher Price controller to connect to his V Tech laptop from 1994 and they come on here Yelling at Serato for something the manufacturer of the controller did etc. Every second spent on topics such as these is a second not spent on something productive. While every customer is just as entitle to support as the next it becomes a real hand full when the proper answer should be "read the manual" OR Serach the forums (Better yet look at the most recent threads as they are usually recurring issues.

In regards to Serato DJ as an application it is amazing and only getting better. Is it SSL? NO IMO it has evolved beyond the realms of SSL. it is not yet as seamless & reliable as SSL BUT it is well on its way.

i keep going back and forth, one night sdj works fine(with small usb glitches not audible effects), one night it has usb lights like chrismas and distorts tracks.

I'm sure some people comp is the problem, mines not. WHen you can do baby scratches and see the processor indicator visibly move upward maybe by 1/8 to 1/4, something is not right.

After using SSL at home the other day with the buffer on 1running efx, indiscriminate scratching, there was not one peep from the computer.

i dont think people are saying its just total crap, but when you introduce the NEW, and FUTURE versions of a software and it doesnt work as well as the old one, people think it sucks. if i buy a toyota, and 7 years later i buy another one, and it redlines rpms doesnt have a center console and rear view mirrors, you would most likely wonder WTF??

even the coloring is NOT as good. this is a new product, make skins, that look like the old ones. or support reloop 8000s because thats reallllly important, compared to making the software work properly and like its predecessor.

how would you know its well on its way? maybe its just gonna keep getting worse?

what makes it anymore amazing that ssl or traktor? pnt? traktor already had the time lock? stability? ssl was rock solid. efx? not better than traktor? organization? already had that in SSL.

Hey Mr. Goodkat,

What you're experiencing doesn't sound right. Have you opened a help request? The support team should be able to look into that and find out what is going on. If there is an issue, they will also be able to identify it and get it fed back into the development loop to be fixed. Otherwise, it's probably something we can help troubleshoot. It's best to speak with them though as they are employed to help out with things like this :)

Sam.

Traktor is an automated nightmare IMO. Yes they had the better key lock BUT Pitch N Time is the clear winner here www.djtechtools.com When comparing the two applications one is also forced to consider the native hardware not gonna lie it is almost laughable over at Traktor's camp. Although I like my S4, X1 & F1 the best thing they have going for them is the SX in my opinion.

SSL WAS rock solid but the objective here was to add much more while maintaining the stability. While it is NOT there yet it has been getting better and Serato has stated they are working to get it even better. Evan the issue am currently facing serato.com is being worked on and I am confident it will be taken care of.


Organization is exactly what it was and hopefully in time it will get even better (new ideas & possibilities etc). The future will tell though. From what I have seen & from my personal experiences it is better than it was day one, it keeps getting better & THIS is how I know it is well on its way. If a certain thing is one thing one day, it has gotten better since then and is still actively being worked on one can only assume it will get even better.

Again these are all strictly opinions and are in no way gospel. One thing is for sure though you get out what you put in. Serato is what you make of it. I have all the tools necessary to use any DJ application I want and I have tried almost all of the extensively. My library is 100% SYNCed between Serato (all versions), Traktor (all versions), Rekordbox (Mixvibes included), & Virtual DJ beat grids, cue points (set & labeled), keys, etc. included. Thus I can switch to any application at any given time and one would think there has got to be a reason Serato is my weapon of choice. Personally I can't get enough of it.

thanks for the reply, but i do not think is possible to 'fix' outside of making the software run more efficiently. I bought the SRT 900, downloaded the 1.6, which worked pretty well, although i did notice the usb lights here and there. The 1.61 behaved pretty much the same in terms of usb pops and cracks depending on the buffer level, which i use at 2 at home, 5 when i play out. Last wednesday, the night is going as normal, and i get a pop and click, move the buffer, but i still got a few, and one almost complete meltdown, where the sound made a weird sound and then snapped back into place.

bottom line, just fix the software. SDJ is not in the same league stability wise as SSL. Serato djs just want the stability we were used too, thats how we make money. Djs cant take a coffee and donut when the computer crashes.. We're just standing there, looking like jerks that dont know what we are doing. FX packs with cool nicknames are great. Trying to get a midi patch for turntables that approx 250 people own world wide, thats nice too.

buuuuutttttt, lets just get SDJs issues as a program fixed first.

Dood get with Serato support before you start bitchin'. If they can't fix it, then you can bitch til the cows come home. Anything else is assuming on your part and you can't hold them responsible if you don't get them involved. Besides they may see something with your particular setup that might help them with a fix to MAKE IT MORE STABLE! Of course if you're the type that likes to bitch excuse my comments and carry on.

Hi Mr Goodkat,

We understand your frustration with stability and trust me we know how it feels to be up in front of a crowd when things don't go right - we are all DJs too! We know that it is the worst feeling but to enable us to pinpoint and fix issues we rely on your input to make this a better product.

Your bottom line is for us to just fix the software but to do this we need you to open a help request with our support team so we can get more information about your current setup and diagnose what the actual issue is, the reason this is so vital to us is that there are currently users out in the wild using the Pioneer DJM 900-SRT without issues and if it is something specific to your machine, unit or current setup we can possibly help out but without more detailed information sent to our support crew we struggle to assist you with these types of issues.

You can open up a help request here; serato.com and one of our support crew will get back in touch asap to work through the problem with you, give them a holla!

Cheers,

Jason.

You know, and we as serato dj users (that have used SSL for any amount of time), know that the problem is within the application itself. Ive used it with a sl 2/3, as well as with the SRT.

Its a known issue from many board posts that the lower the buffer gets the worse SDJ performs.

As I've stated, Ive used SSL for 1000+ paid gigs(not in my bedroom). I know that software better than any other software ive ever used. Now I've only used SDJ for maybe 100 hrs of gigs and at home half that, but its not me or the computer (which is a 2013 MBP with 16 gb of ram). The 2 programs dont perform the same, its very obvious, and its obvious that the biggest prob is the glitching and usb drops(ive updated cords, etc).

The jazzy jeff usb drop(from the video someone posted in a thread), is what im getting.

Watchvimeo.com ---------- at 8:16

I can still use SSL for the important gigs and keep working with SDJ for the lo key spots and wait for updates, but thats really pretty ridiculous.

Many of these board posters don't have machines that can accommodate SDJ at 1 ms or anywhere near it. If you have an i7 quad core than you should be able to run SDJ at 1 ms with the CPU light coming on only ever now & then. 2 ms................... all day. My 2012's which are i7 but only dual core can only support 2 ms. Furthermore Generally I mostly hear that MBP's with i5's generally red light at 2 ms.

There is a clear difference between SSL & SDJ in regards to this but then again after adding everything that it did how could it possibly be the same? I mean the new FX engine, the hardware integrations, even Pitch N Time??

I dunno I guess everyone's experience is different but in my experience there can usually be a solution and more often than not it is user error (unrealistic expectations with insufficient or mediocre specs counts) that is to blame. To back up a statement I use often that Serato is what you make of it. As in I have 6 Laptops

2013 MacBook Pro 15" Quad Core i7 16GB RAM & SSD - 1ms (red lighting rarely)
2012 MacBook Pro 13" Dual Core i7 16GB RAM & SSD - 2ms (never red lighting)
2012 MacBook Pro 13" Dual Core i7 8 GB RAM & HDD - 2ms (red lighting rarely)
2007 MAcBook Pro 15" Core 3 Duo 4 GB RAM & HDD - 5 ms (never red lighting)

2013 Dell 15" i5 8 GB RAM HDD - 10ms (never red lighting / 5ms red lighting often)
2013 Toshiba 15" 8 GB RAM SSD (5ms rarely red lighting)

All run SDJ but only the top four run it well. Furthermore the buffer is set respectively. Full disclosure I haven't optimized the PC's fully but I don't intend on using them with SDJ or any other music application so won't be doing so. The point here is SDJ will give you what you give it.

@ Goodkat why not take a stab and open a help request. I mean at this point no matter what has happened or what is said....................... you're wrong. At the very least even if they can't help (which is unlikely) you could be right. I mean would you complain about if your truck wasn't working right yet never told anyone about it? I mean maybe at the time it could potentially be the manufacturer/developersfault but after a while of not telling anyone and continuing to run it the blame pretty much transfers to the user.

To be honest I love the new features in SDJ but I am like other users fed up with the constant USB drop outs , red light and distortion in SDJ. It has nothing to do with Mac or PC I have used both and the constant problem is still ther on a Mac.
It even worse since Apple Mavericks . I for one think that Serato needs to address these issues

@ big pops, did Serato support confirm this in your help request ?

I understand opening a ticket and such, but its time an energy wasted for a problem thats not worth, at least for me, going back and forth, trying to figure out for a company that, while you have great customer service( and i can appreciate that), at the same time, I'm not a beta tester, I'm a consumer.

Serato hasnt given me anything for free, so far ive had at SL 1/3, TTM 57, and serato cvs, and i paid for it all. NOw ive paid for an srt 900(2000$) , with the thought of being an early adopter of SDJ, NOT a beta tester.

If it were something major, i wouldnt open a ticket, but this is just a symptom that many people that have been on the board for, literally, years, soo comes to mind, have also voiiced.

I take pride in keeping my computer very clean, repairing permissions, keeping out corrupt files so i do not have to worry about the little hiccups i've seen so many people have. Simply turning up the buffer works, of course it does, but with the computers that people are running should SDJ be having any trouble?? What happens if SDJ adds other new amazing features like PnT(which is great), what happens then? Set the buffer on 10 and call it a day?

and i get it dave, you computers work fine, but a computer with the spec below

''2013 MacBook Pro 15" Quad Core i7 16GB RAM & SSD - 1ms (red lighting rarely)'',

you think that makes sense?

A top of the line computer with a SSD and 16 mb of ram, which probably only 25% people have in their computer, CAN'T run a sdj without a light at 1 ms seems ominous for other users.


As the second DVS that Serato has issued, SDJ just needed to be stable and add efx and pnt type stuff later. Its just a general worry for people that depend on it for $$$, and in general, if you are vet dj, it just is embarrassing. Everybody in the entire room can hear you, sometimes people boo, sometimes people leave. Stability is what made SSL, if it were as initially buggy as traktor, i really dont think it would have had the same popularity.

I can confirm 100% the problems of Mr. Goodkat & SDJ. I've even opened a ticket on the Help forum and only answer I got is "wait for the next update". Well, I can wait for sure, but until that update arrives, I am forced to switch back to SSL. And this pisses me off, because I've paid for PnT and fallen in love with it, but now I have to wait for an update to get SDJ working properly on all other aspects.

And one more important notice: we complain about red dots & click/pops on high latency settings, while we are SCRATCHING, not just mixing 2 songs. That's a huge difference, so please stop posting how great SDJ can work even with a Pentium 1, 133Hz CPU. We also know that, now we only want SDJ to work as SSL did for us, turntablists.

I agree wight he Mickey mouse computer statement.
But I am on the opposite end of this issue.
I have
2013 MacBook Pro 15" Quad Core i7 2.6Ghz 16GB RAM & SSD

I have the issues Big Pops has but only with Serato Video running.

The same system will run SSL, Serato Video, and ableton with no issues. I evan fired up Resolum to be funny and still no distortion or lockups on SSL as I've seen in SSD. We (Serato Support and I), have also eliminated the big library part by using a library with only ten songs in it. I'm willing to work this out but "THERE ARE SOME ISSUES' that need acknowledgment. I also think they need to be fixed but understand the resources it takes to do so.

Now just curious are all these tests or experiences with Rane products or all your tests were done on controllers?


Because with controllers you only have to deal with on buffer setting compared to rane products

On = one buffer setting

This is the newest MBP and due to the fact that so many with the newest MBP are all having issues it might be safe to look into the possibility of it NOT being Serato. CLEARLY I am NOT saying your laptop sucks as it obviously does not. Just that even being the fastest of the fast does not guarantee 100% compatibility with everything. At least you are clever enough to know that you are not in the majority. Both with such a beautiful machine and being a user with issues who has the proper gear.

These tests have been with several of my setups.

1.) Rane 64
2.) Pioneer DJM-900SRT
3.) Pioneer DDJ-SX
4.) Pioneer DDJ-SZ
5.) Rane SL4


The variables being
1.) Pioneer CDJ-2000Nexus (x2)
2.) Pioneer DDJ-SP1
3.) Traktor Kontrol X1
4.) Serato Remote via iPad
5.) Serato Remote Mini via 2 iPhones
6.) Ableton Push (only once as a midi controller but you wuldn't believe the disastrous results LOL) They were literally funny.I connected the Ableton Push while having Ableton open. Everything was normal with the Push BUT to my surprise when I started pushing buttons on my SX NOTES STARTED PLAYING LOL. It was actually fun figuring out which buttons did what. The browse knob was a drum pad. The FX buttons where each a piano note respectively LOL. Good times though was seriously a fun night and made for many laughs as I was literally DJing and making a new song from scratch at the same time haha.

Hi Mr Goodkat,

I can completely understand your want for a stable product while performing, if Serato DJ is not performing as you wish currently then you are more then welcome to continue to use Scratch Live. Nobody likes to be booed for doing something they love and if you feel you get better performance with SSL then that is understandable.

Its unfortunate that you do not wish to submit a help request to attempt to diagnose the issue but I can understand that it takes time and can be frustrating. We have had reports of the issue but on the same hand we have users with similar spec machines running all the bells and whistles and scratching up a storm without trouble so it is very difficult for us to gather information without detailed insight into the machines that have trouble.

We are listening and do take all of this on board, we are working hard to investigate all issues reported and I hope we can have a some kind of resolution to the troubles you have been experiencing with SDJ.



Out of interest when you move the buffer up is there any adverse affect on your performance? How far do you have to move it up before you get better results? When using your Rane hardware how low is your Hardware buffer setting?

We do expect SDJ to be more CPU intensive then SSL because of the added goodies, in saying that we benchmark and test across a wide range of machines, both Mac and Win, for stability - these range from minimum spec machines right through to newer models so these issues could be related to something entirely different then just the make and model of your machine.

It may well be that SDJ needs to run on a slightly higher buffer setting on your machine to be able to run SDJ and all of its advanced features with scratching at once, or maybe to run at 1ms you will not be able to use all of these features at the same time - without our support crew going through the process of a help request I can only speculate.

I hope we can get SDJ to a level where you feel that is stable if not more stable the Scratch Live, regardless we appreciate your feedback and will continue to investigate all issues put forward to us.

Cheers!

Jason.

personally speaking, you come off very patronizing.

but i digress, I get the PNT plug and the efx making it more processor heavy.

I also get that most people that many people are switching from SSL, which you could run all features on almost any computer.

It would be very nice of you and the Serato team to inform people, 'hey, this is nothing like SSL, even though certain features are similar and it shares the certain resources, SDJ is much more processor intensive that SSL. Intense play with plugins like PNT and using timecode MAY require an increase in buffer size'

Im on this forum too much, every day almost, but maybe you said that, i just havent seen anyone point to that information as a warning to new users. anyway, im out.

I agree with you I also have Serato Video and when it's running the problem multiply . I also have Ableton , Logic X and Studio One, does this problem exist, I don't think so.
It's very frustrating when you plug out your hard dollars for a product and day in day out users complain about the same issues . With updates the problem seems to get worst .
And don't tell me about help request , it's a wast of time the support from Serato is one of the worst in the industry.
Time they stop packing features on SDJ and fix the ongoing issues users are having.

Jason.S we understand that SDJ would be more CPU and Ram hungry that SSL but not to the extent it is, you look around in the forum and more than 80% of users are having major issues with SDJ. It is very unstable, CPU and RAM hungry and it has nothing to do with what computer you have.
I have a 2010 MBP with 8GBRam a Corei5 processor and I am having issues. And yes I have made a help request more than once with very little help. Serato support is terrible and it's one the reasons users do even worry to do a help request.
It's very hard and frustrating when you sped big bucks for a product and have constant issues and what make it worst it's issues from version to version where users have been reporting.
Serato seriously need to spend some time and resources to get to the bottom of these issues and fix them once and for all and also get SDJ CPU and RAM use under control.

I can say I do not agree with the topic of this post. There is no issues with the stability of the program for me when using a PC and a DDJ-SX. I decided on a PC base computer for DJing and did my research before I bought it and did not pay $400 on a computer. I bought an Alienware gaming system to handle my DJ needs. My only issue is the needle drop on my SX that may cause an issue if I decide to actually get drunk at a gig (which never happens). As far as the stability and usability of the software, I do not have any issues and I have a database that is in the 800,000 song size and not having any issues myself. I am looking forward to seeing where the software is going and am along for the ride with Serato DJ.

This thread has run its course. You now have "that guy" giving fabricated statistics and using the "we" as he is the knight in shining armor trying to seek justice.

I understand this is the sourpants thread but at least the other participants are realistic and try to keep to the facts. "80% users having major issues"??? How could you possibly know that? Furthermore wouldn't it be safe to assume that if someone was having an issue they would be inclined to seek support on the forums hence the reason why the illusion that the whole world is having problems is created? The fact remains that people are generally intelligent enough to realize that is not the case.
Do you really think ANY product would survive (especially with social media how it is today) with an 80% failure rate? LOL

As far as support goes. "Serato support the worst in the industry" ???
Have you visited the Pioneer, Numark, Virtual DJ, Native Instruments etc. forums lately or attempted to get support over there? Even the people who favor those applications admit that Serato support is far superior. Again even THEY keep it realistic. Furthermore Serato is literally sending a PERSONAL INVITATION here and it is being refused...................... uhhhhhhh Who is to blame in this one?? You can't force someone to request support. I have used their support for an issue I have and granted it has yet to be solved I am confidant they are working on it and they were both professional and attentive during the whole process. Just the fact that people like you are able to say things like you said shows the support around here is MUCH better than it is in other places.


The majority of the users here are having specific issues and I feel for them. To sit here and make claims against Serato like that is ridiculous. What are you doing here is you are so unsatisfied? You have a ton of posts been here forever oh yeah and this is literally the first post I checked serato.com CLEARLY Serato failed you miserably on that one (what was that 8 responses in 3 days and they 100% fixed your issue) ............................... L----O-----L btw.

Try being realistic
Try being fair
Try being honest

I may not agree with what some of the other guys are saying here but at least they are being all three of those qualities.

@ Whozya CAREFUL!! Haven't you heard? 80% of Serato DJ users are having issues.

@ deejdave I see from this thread that the percent seems to get smaller and smaller as it gets older. Serato will get it stable enough for all users at some time. I have no issues and I have been playing with it for months and it feels rock solid and I am also running serato video.

I mean when hanging around threads like this YES it seems like the problems are abundant. The VAST majority of "issues" that people post about can be answered with a RTFM (even though it's polite not to say so and I have yet to do it LOL) and are minor. Then there are the issues that are hardware based and have nothing to do with Serato. I just take offense to comments like the above because I for one applaud their efforts tbh is the reason I hang around these forums and try to help out as much as I can. I often can be called spoiled or accused of bragging but I just like to keep full disclosure and give a little insight that I am speaking from experience and actually have the gear to back it up. If I can have such success with such a large assortment of gear surely others can too. I mean I have multiple unique (completely independent) setups for SDJ and you would think at least one would reflect the issues brought forward in this thread IF the number was actually remotely close to 80%.............................. IT'S NOT though.

SDJ is NOT perfect but it is getting better and Serato themselves IMO are the best in the business. Not little fanboy talk either. I've dealt with the other support teams and can only compare them to that.

I agree definately seems like all bug reports from previous betas are ignored and never fixed in a new release and this cycle continous on and on release after release. In that case how do you expect a user to file a help report with support after a final release yet during the beta he had reported the same bug but it wasnt priotized as an issue to be fixed in the final release then same happens in the next release and the one after that the user keeps on reporting the same issue beta after beta or release after release. You see it gets frustrating on the user end and they just opt out of reporting bugs or even filing help requests. So the only option for the user is to complain instead of reporting bugs or filing help requests because its the only way to get serato to fix some thing. Because if the majority dont complain serato doesn't make it a priority to fix it

Can you honestly say you feel you are in the majority? Be fair here. It's an honest question. Do you honestly feel that MOST people have debilitating issues with Serato DJ?

bahahahaa

I think it's a smart move to combine Serato Dj and SSL.

Having just one code base to maintain will make it much easier for them to work on bug fixes, new features, etc. They'll be able to roll out new versions faster and so on.

My only two items on the wish list are Serato Video and constant improvements to the beat grid analysis. To me, those are the two weakest areas of the software but on balance, I love Serato Dj. I used SSL back in the day, spent time with itch, tried Traktor for a while and even that program they call Virtual Dj. After all of it over the years, Serato Dj on a 17" Macbook Pro connected to a DDJ-SX is my weapon of choice.

I don't mind if they focus on Serato DJ, then Serato Video tbh

^^^^ Agreed.

I don't have SDJ issues. I have SDJ with Serato Video Issues.

Most people DON'T have SDJ issues. Just preferences. I feel they should have their priorities set at

1.) Stabilizing SDJ as a whole
2.) Fixing any hardware specific bugs
3.) Adding new features to SDJ & innovating
4.) Fixing / innovating Serato Video. It IS a priority BUT the honest truth is the amount of people using Serato Video Vs. SDJ as a music app does not warrant a higher priority IMO.

Fixed ;P

LOL I understand your position as you don't personally have issues with SDJ. I don't have stability issues either. The point is Serato DJ should be 100% for all and I feel the people that DO have stability issues with SDJ deserve the same core experience we are having and I am willing to sacrifice my personal wants to have this become a reality before any (large) steps are taken to work on the things I would have improved personally.


I do however long for the day when we can see nothing but improvements being made.

64Bit Serato DJ please :)

I know a 64bit SDJ won't solve everything, but I think it will stabilize it a lot better. Can't wait as I know this has to be the next big step in the SDJ evolution.

Hahaha, we post the same thoughts almost at the same time Youkai. :-)

As far as I'm concerned SDJ1.6 is broke and we are right where we were over a year ago.
I have SSL on my rand 62 /turntable/apc40 rig (for the all out performance stuff) and I have SDJ on my NS6 or NS7 for simple all audio gigs no video.

May I ask how SDJ 1.6 is broke as far as you are concerned yet:

And I believe you two simultaneously made that statement being it is the next logical step for Serato to move on to the next phase.

Great Minds Think Alike ;)

hmmmm

deejdave, I'm glad you don't have any issues with SDJ, but please don't generalize this fact, as this looks to me more random than the problems we've already mentioned.

We are currently 3 different people here in my town, with 3 different MBPs, and we all have exactly THE SAME bugs on SDJ. Here's a recap:

1. Red dots comming up with PnT on.
2. Audio glitches the lower you go on the buffer from 12ms downwards.
3. Terrible latency responce on timecodes.
4. Beatgrids absolutely destroyed.

The above are all evident with timecodes. I repeat that, timecodes, i.e. heavy scratching & beat juggling.

I've opened a help thread, no real response besides "wait for the next update". OK, I'll do that. Maybe I'll even post a video with all 3 machines next to the other acting the same. But will I get something from that? I mean, I've seen like 50 different people posting the same complaints, and we still get people telling us that everything is cool? Seriously?

This generic reply "open a help thread" is already old with SDJ. You're all aware of the bugs & details, time to find a way to fix them.

PS Why to I get the feeling that the root of all these problems is not the source code but the probability that they packed too many things on SDJ running on the backround with no real use, like countless controller profiles...

"One thing we can all agree on, Serato DJ is a Huge Failure. I'm done."

serarto dj has been pretty good to me, never on single issue

Same Here. I never had any issues also.

Same for me too.

I'm on a raggedy core duo with no problems, i just slide the latency to 5ms if i'm using PnT. i'll be doing this until i get a better comp, other than that i've had literally no issues other than wanting the ability to be able to drag and drop the order of my cue points.

I don't feel I am generalizing anything. I feel that the majority of the responses are speaking for themselves. This was seemingly a pity party and that is fine BUT if anything the title in itself "One thing we can all agree on, Serato DJ is a Huge Failure." is the largest generalization going on here and I am assuming you support this statement by saying I am wrong? Bottom line is OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T ALL AGREE ON Serato being a huge failure.


I HAVE recognizes AND stated the fact that SOME people are suffering from issues. On the contrary what is happening in this thread is the peanut gallery is for some reason or another under the impression that EVERYONE is having issues. And EVERYONE hates Serato DJ................................... oh wait I'm sorry 80% was the number.



Tell that to someone who has a controller WHO WAS HERE BEFORE YOU as if you remember correctly Serato DJ was made for controllers first, then the exclusive mixers, THEN the native SSL devices LAST. I understand there are issues BUT let us not forget that Serato had no obligation whatsoever to include SDJ compatibility for ANY of the existing SSL interfaces and they did so KNOWING the issues they would face from the transition. Instead of gratitude they are met with "Me Me NOW NOW"!! Give them a chance. I mean if not you can always stop using SDJ and you in no way are a t a loss being you didn't pay a dime for SDJ. Please keep in mind also the people with the "useless controllers" DID pay for the software.

I know this may be coming across as mean but I am not intending for that. This is just a case of the truth sounding bad as is. Again I in NO WAY am saying yoru issues are fabricated. I am in no way saying Serato should not address them. I AM saying give them a chance. Make sure you actually make efforts to address them (not meant towards you but applies to others who would complain before even giving anyone a chance to fix anything).

In the interim keep in mind that there are those who are having NO ISSUES whatsoever and if we all felt the way you described (that only your issues are important and not others) than we would consider your problems useless as well as it doesn't affect us. I PROMISE you this is NOT the case. I hope you get all your issues addressed in a timely manner I truly do.

Spot on!

Count me in as not having issues either. I am doing video w/ ME and using a DDJ-SX on a 15-inch, Mid 2012 i7 w/ 16GB of RAM and I've yet to crash SDJ.

i'm a vet in both the tech support industry and dj industry and there are many things that need to be polished on SDJ… and i'm on an i7 mbp and have new hardware, yada yada yada… we all know it needs work and is either missing SSL features or has usb issues, 32bit issues, library size issues, cpu intensive issues, distortion issues, bugs, etc…

Hopefully it can one day become what it should be. "an UPGRADE and REPLACEMENT for SSL" ;)

#stickersync

Despite the fact that it performs reasonably well for me, I agree.

are you a programmer?
i am, and imho going to 64 bit won't solve a thing, the contrary, it it means that SDJ has to come out in 32 and 64 it would introduce more problems

that said, SDJ runs flawlessly at this point for me...

I rather have it running it on 64bit so it can use utilize more ram not just 4gigs, that way you won't have to hack it using the patch, SDJ Takes alot of resources, so let it take advantage of 64bit. In Windows I'm running more higher end on my desktop tried seratodj in there, even on an AMD chip, of course I had to use the patch cause it crashes when the crates loads up, but end results, Flawless, no CPU Spike what so ever. Even on my Dell XPS running on Windows 8.1. The Green meter doesn't even go past 1/4, and I'm running Serato Video with HD Videos. So to me, IMHO 64BIT is the way to go for SeratoDJ

i agree on the fact that going to 64bit will unlock new features like bigger memory address space and so on, but going to 64 bit does not mean SDJ will be more stable by definition...
i'm not familiar with the code of sdj at all but apart from more accessible memory i do not see a direct benefit (cause i have no insights in how sdj works internally)...

It's 2014... Not 2004-2006. Memory benefit can definitely help :)

There are things like library database size and issues, and like mentioned, memory addressing that will make the program more stable over the current 32bit arc. You don't need to be a programmer to understand that. Serato support has brought this up several times.

and as a programmer i'm saying that all that glitters ain't gold
64bit has its own pitfalls, for one your processor needs to process the double amount of data resulting in less code/data present in the processors cache...

Know one said it was gonna be gold my friend. Hence why I said "I know a 64bit SDJ won't solve everything" but you have to move the program along and it can't remain in a 32bit state.

:) don't get me wrong, i'm not against 64bit, i'm just not convinced that would solve big lib issues by definition
without making any assumption on how things are implemented, i expect there are other ways to handle the issue, if it's worth doing (if there are 64bit port plans) is something else...
but i do know that if the app is heavely making use of memory pointers that all that code needs to be checked so it's not something that will happen over night i'm afraid...

anyway SDJ is no big failure for me...

Totally agree... Same here.

No failure here either. Both on Win7 and osx.
Serato are working through thing's but please realise there is a queue.
Dave W is pushing some things forward and is getting to the root of some issues that some of us have been saying since 1.3.
Frustration is caused by a 'me now' mentality.
Serato has supplied the tools for us for year's, if your not happy go the N.I route it'll only end in far higher frustration.
I still use Itch just because at this moment it fits me better as I'm sure a lot of people are still using ssl.
Serato isn't holding a gun to your head to use Sdj.
And I'm with Deejdave on library issue's. I've had zero problems in either Itch or Sdj on either platforms. Ram consumption is stable on windows at 1.86 with over 600 gig mp3 and 315 gig. Flac.
Serato behaves if you don't choke it with padding in your mp3 files.

The question is, why haven't they gone to 64 bit yet and will do they plan to? This has been on so many forums for years now with no result. I've had minor issues, most resolved within a day, and love SDJ and Serato Video. I realize how hard it is to write code for every manufacturer, multiple OS's, computer settings etc, but 64 bit would be a huge step imo.

this

This thread has certainly taken a pleasant turn. I am hoping it is now clear for all that the "information" being passed along prior was not the voice of the community at large.

64 bit along with some TLC will go a long way. This will also be the answer for those who are willing to put the money into their craft. It will NOT help the ones using underpowered machines though. As a matter of fact the "problem" will probably even amplify if/when SDJ becomes more stable for those with proper machines running proper OS's. It then becomes a "well if it works for them why won't it work for me?"............................ even more than it is now. I am just "guessing" this will be the case LOL.

I don't know if in your country/market SERATO generated their revenue through controllers, but I can definetely tell you that in Europe they did that through Rane interfaces/ SSL. So, for me it will always be DVS first, controllers second. This is not NI, this is the king of DVS and this should have been the first focus.

Unfortunately though, it looks to be the other way around. So, I can only wait for an update, nothing more.

BTW, I did paid my part for SDJ. 30 bucks for PnT. Plus an excessively overpriced SL2 interface.

Yup, that first quote is spot on. Your excessively overpriced (as you put it) SL2, paid for ScratchLIVE, not SeratoDJ.

The thing is, it seems controllers are the future. Will turntables ever die, I hope not, but I think the cdj era is. I love my tt but I'm too old to be lugging around all that heavy stuff anymore. Like most on here I assume, I started before timecode when you had to carry crates, and crates, and crates of records, huge speakers that didn't even sound half as good as my qsc's and weighed twice as much. So for me, controllers are a welcome addition. Embrace the future.

SSL was paid for a long time ago... that's why they let it go to shit... lol

I don't see that. My SSL runs fine but so does my 01 camaro. But I didn't stand outside Chevy and yell at them for making the new ones better. Instead I went out and bought one. It's technology, it changes. You know anyone still using the original iPhone? No. Anyone using computers with Celeron processors? No.

Nitro.... so a half assed mixtape feature and bridge feature in mixtape that were abandoned... midi light output that doesn't work half the time, and other features and bugs that are known but never fixed 3-4-5 versions before... and then saying "SSL is no more"... is a program that all the money went into?

It seems like they milked it for what it was... Updates and bug fixes (if any were performed) took months, to a year and sometimes even more... IF they even fixed them.

The point is SSL wasn't fine... it wasn't a little issue here or there but it was KNOWN items...

That would be like you being ok with your new 01 camaro having a leak on your intake manifold, or squeeky interior panels and chevy lagging on fixing it.. ;)

Carry on.

No, I bought a 2013 because it was superior to the 01. Just like I run SDJ because it is the way of the future. You gotta see the forest through trees my friend.

You talked about my SSL argument... i didn't say anything about SDJ in that... How is the resale value on the American Muscle?

Not good, once you void the warranty, not so good. You said they let SSL goes to shit but I've never encountered a problem with either products that wasn't corrected in a day or two. And that's with a TTM57, an SL2, an SL3, and two different controllers. I'm just saying I don't think they let it go to shit. I do, however, think they put the majority of their efforts into making SDJ which truth be told, and I don't have anything to base this on, took something away from SSL

so you are telling me that they are sending you out beta versions... where they added a fix for your software bug.... in 2-3 days, JUST FOR YOU??

Sign me up! :)

nice to hear you like to mod the car the right way (no turning back)... i will give you a thumbs up on that one! :)

Anyone can get the beta versions. You just have to look for the link in the forum which I admit can be tricky to find sometimes.

so they are cranking out new beta's for individuals every 2 to 3 days right when there is a bug reports? man i have been missing out!!!

I must be the last guy left with bugs then :(

there is a bug report*

where can i find that beta can someone post a link

it was sarcasm, soundboyz.

Not sarcasm. serato.com

LOL Amazing!!

^^^^ now that is sarcasm lol

ABBBBBsolutely!!

i am already running 1.6.1 so i though there was a new one?????

There IS a new one. It is called the beta just like already, previously, beforehand & prior to said. serato.com It is for those suffering from issues with large libraries................................



We good yet?

lol

Ha!! See no harm meant................. all in good fun. Make sure you download the latest build if you are planning to participate. Above all make sure you are active as that is the whole point of a PUBLIC beta. NOTHING will get fixed if NO ONE reports/addresses anything. Happy hunting.

I download it and going to try it soon as I get back from the beach with the kids.

1.6.3. Beta

The 1.6.3 Beta is just a public version to combat the large library issues users have been facing.

The focus in that version is just database handling, etc.

Dj Quartz how do u find it working,.?

Something like that?

One thing I noticed is there is a different sorting behaviour with that version. Everyone will have to test and see how it works for them.

ok

SDJ is not where I would like to see it, yet, but it's working for me so far, that's what counts. I've used it with turntables and a Rane SL2, 33, in HID modus with CDJs and with a controller, plus Serato Video. Serato is working on it to get it straight and I'm sure it will become better over the time.

Please fix the virtual deck PLAYTIME MODE (offline mode).
Since i cue'ing the hot cue's mostly on the offline mode, the PLAYTIME MODE (Elapse / Remaining) is useful to me.
When you are in offline mode on SDJ, it only show the total time of the track and i cant toggle between elapse and remaining.
Just a small issue but it will be nice if i can elapse / remaining time like Scratch Live.
Now i only make the hot cue on the Scratch Live rather than SDJ.

Your statement makes sense, but the reason why serato didn't do this in the first place doesn't make a bit of sense. lol

Yeah. Just a small issue it will be nice if they can fix / change it.
I assume that most of us are very familiar with SL interface :)

I used Serato DJ on my gigs, damn its too shitty ! I dont know what happened to serato company but for personally Serato DJ is a big failure. And downgraded again to Scratch Live 2.5.0

Well the cool thing is if you don't like SDJ you can still use SSL.

And this is where I'll be if you need me.

Well,if issues for you are crash,glitches or similar i agree with you,but my Vci300 is more comfortable with Itch..for months i've read that Serato should fix the navigation button problem,the Vfx1 map...I can have ZERO issues with the software but if i can't use my controller at 100% this have no sense(for me)..My idea is that however Serato is pushing on the compatibility with new controllers..for the olders.."sorry but that controller work in a different mode and it's complicated to remap(or invest more resources)for a outline product"

I've been an avid Serato fan since day one I heard about it. Never tried other software professionally since I retired my cds and vinyls temporarily.

Scratchlive SL3, my weapon of in the club, is pretty robust with my MBP up to last night's gig. Creativity and confidence in performance is at high with the stability of these Djing machines and software.

Then Serato Dj came... from the beta release up the recent 1.6....official release has brought up the anticipation and excitement in me. In a wink of an eye, its all installed up to my laptop and tested it with cdjs and djm ( hooked with SL3 )... Within fifteen minutes of testing I started frowning and sweating then I stopped... went looking for clues... checked the connections... updated driver... reinstalled clean... then i was speechless... and shut down my gears. Went online and head straight to the Serato Dj forums and read your experiences and issues.

It was a sad experience using " the future of professional dj software."... Serato Dj

I've fired it up again yesterday with PnT on and despite all the bugs, I'm still impressed by it's potential. Sad we DVS users can't exploit it yet cause of the missing MIDI panel.

Not in ANY way making excuses or suggesting they should not HURRY up with the midi panel addition but why not use the Sp1 or Serato Remote for now? Even after they add the midi panel it can never be as effective as the Sp1..................... unless they find some way to implement the slicer etc. Just an idea. I absolutely get the frustration of the lack of midi panel though.

1) Not everyone has iPhones
2) Not everyone wants to run out and spend $400 on a SP1 when they have perfectly good working hardware right now.

WOW kinda thought I said I understood the situation and how it was not ideal Sorry for the input....................... carry on

Just to make it clear, it wasn't an attack. Just wanted to quickly state a couple reasons.

I don't ever think they are going to implement the Slicer w' 3rd party MIDI controllers. But it is a bit ridiculous for them to state that SeratoDJ is an update to ScratchLIVE, when the latter clearly has more "usable" features than the former. Yeah, while SeratoDJ does have some nifty features, it's got a while to catch up w' ScratchLIVE, in both feature set, and stability.

I sold my SL3, and my decks, and solely use controllers w' SeratoDJ now. But if I was still using that analog gear, I would be a little more than upset with what SDJ has to offer at the present time. It will eventually get there though. At least Y'all still have the option to use ScratchLIVE.....sometimes I wish I could use ITCH w' my SDJ controller. I should never have sold my NS6.

we can't use scratch live at the clubs we spin at when the clubs have a new 900srt or rane 64 installed…. Should i go out and buy a box because SDJ has issues? I don't mind doing that and won't even charge the labor to show up early when the opener is on to plug it in ;)…

But honestly…. I would be more patient if 2 of my 4 weekly spots didn't have SDJ only gear.

i don't mind the labor side but i don't feel it's fair to have to go buy a box to fix something straight forward (bringing over regular widely used features from SSL to SDJ before DVS official launch) ;) ******

Pionner SP1? I thought about it, but I'm already on my second set of DICERS, with which I'm so comfortable to the point where I completely burnt out the first set in just 2 years. Plus, they are positioned better that any controller like SP1, including my 40€ LPD8 which serves me great for FX control. So, I've already invested on both parts (browsing + FX), so why should I invest again, let aside on an SP1 with it's salty price?

See, this is why I complain so much about SDJ and it's current state. I'm not an average user, utilizing controllers around only their default functionality. My DICERS are mapped for library browsing, song loading and REL/THRU switching for both turntables. The LPD8 is for FX & SP-6 triggering. So, the MIDI panel is absolutely crucial for me, as without it I cannot use the software to my normal workflow.

this! ^

Not to mention the sp1 will be outdated soon and have a replacement with RGB color pads ;)… it's not like it's 2014 or anything.

C'mon now. Let's be honest. If we were REALLY that worried about outdated hardware I don't think we would be having this conversation. I guarantee the SP1 is newer than whatever midi controller you are trying to get up & running. This is a prime example It's not that I disagree with anyone. FAR from it actually. No Midi = WTF? It's simply the things being said as reasons and such. Midi should be included BECAUSE IT SHOULD PERIOD!! This is a professional DJ solution and with that comes professional features. Simple as that. NOT because SSL had it (As SDJ is not SSL). NOT because there are no other solutions. One is irrelevant the other is a lie.

See people get the wrong idea in when I choose to argue a point. When I come in here guns a blazing giving my +1 it means I agree. It's when the reasons start coming out I start giving my opinions when i feel something is a miss. THIS is actually intended to help. The way I see it is if I were Serato and I was trying to figure out what should/shouldn't be added to their new "Baby" of a software I would base my decisions on reasoning & facts. If I went into a thread and saw "because SSL had it" yet one of my main goals is to differentiate SDJ from SSL (otherwise I just would have called it SSLII etc.) THIS would be a reason to look on to the next feature IMO. Jut seems logical. Believe it or not I not only mean no harm but my intentions are actually to help.


Specifically here ....................... Midi belongs in SDJ. Bottom Line SDJ is in no way a failure JUST because it is NOT a huge success.A person must enter & run a race before they can win it. They simply can NOT be a winner or loser until they reach the finish line. SDJ is clearly at the start of the race. These are my final wors on this topis so as not to bore anyone with anymore repetition. Take care guys & see you in the other threads.

In reality… Lexus releasing a new car without power windows wouldn't be a failure… but not many people would be happy, the ratings would suck, and people would get word of it and not like it… sound familiar to sdj?? ;)..

There is no reason the midi panel should have been missing from the "dvs sdj launch"…

I'm not a traktor fanboy… but they have items like the f1 and other controllers that have RGB pads, and advanced features, where serato looks like a grandpa stuck back in time trying to be cool… I can understand serato not having the latest and greatest… but excluding the items that made people stay with serato, are what's going to be the end of them…

They are walking on a fine line here… The only thing they have going for them is the amount of Serato setups that exist in club installs. If they don't play their cards right, they could fall to the number "2" spot..

This!

You know, the controller users can make this same argument. SeratoDJ, in many respects, was a step backwards for us as well. ITCH was pretty solid software right before they discontinued it. I mean, hell, it took well over a year just to get back the scroll knob/subcrate functionality. Serato needs to kick it into overdrive, and soon too!

Ricky, I was thinking about the same example today but then I was like, no it's a bad example, because a car without power windows would still get you from A to B, Serato has bigger problems. Ok, we get it, MIDI panel is coming, what I'm shocked about is, they pulled some really dumb shit like cue points are not managable to get them in chronological order, they've changed the order of the cue point colours as well, then the cue point jumping with Rane Soundcards in relative mode on CDJs, the problems people have with their Rane mixers (61, 62, 68), the large library issue, too much CPU usage,...it seems like they rushed the issue, SDJ wasn't ready, we are doing the testing for them instead of them releasing a stable product. We deal with it, yeah and SDJ will get better over the time, but that wasn't nice or cool Serato.

Yep, I can't get Serato DJ to work with my PC DJ laptop.

It wont load creates, is there a limit to how much songs you can have? I left it for 2hrs and it just crashed.

Amen brother.... not sure if they ever will catch back up. I always get ignored (until recently from sam stokes on sticker sync), or the issues get a half ass answer, or takes months to years to indefinite to fix, etc... Yet I HAVE NOT ONCE RECEIVED A PRIVATE MESSAGE REGARDING LENDING A HELPING HAND TO GET BACK ON THE PRIVATE BETA TEAM OR EVEN THE ALPHA TEAM!!!

You would think, with all of the LEGIT and reason backing, bashing that I do around the forums, social media, out in the field.... etc. They would rather have me working with them professionally (i didn't even ask for compensation), behind closed doors instead...

But i'm left with having to talk *shit* in public... oh well :) Who wants to grab a couple of beers, or better yet, a couple of kegs since it's going to take awhile to get this software back up to speed :)

my problem is, that the midi panel is there but with only about 1/3 of the functionality.

You CAN (using my SRT) map cues, nudge +-, efx, but not loops/autoloop/scroll. Not even one button for pushing a 1 bar loop on and off. I'm assuming for some the midi panel is completely gone, but thats where i get the analogy(midi panel, but limited) of not having rearview mirrors or a glove compartment. I can play out with this software, but i cant quickly access loops like i can with SSL.

So i can 'drive', I do see the potential, but half a midi panel for some, none for others, and you can use only 1 midi controller (with none announced for the near future) with the program? and it costs 2/3s of a new mid-level controller?? That midi controller will be 250$ by years end, so if you do buy it, by next year it will be worth $150-200. Even worse it will still be too wide, and too big, regardless of what price you pay. now you have to carry two laptop stands?

That within itself is maddening for me. do i want to use SDJ out of my new mixers xlr ports with PNT and very limited midi (i use the mixers efx, so that part of midi is wasted), or use ssl for full midi, with a bad timestretch(i play open format, so its a bigger deal than if you play similar bpms all nite), and go thru the sl3 soundcard(which does not sound as good as the SRT with SDJ imo)?

the two laptop stands and the thickness of it, is what irks me... i don't want to have a homeless sized backpack everywhere i go.. But i guess shit could be worse :)

yeah, in a case, the SP1 gonna be bulky. the NI x1 size controller already takes up quite a bit of real estate in the gigbag when its int the case, and its small controller.

im a guy that splurges way too often, i dont have kids, i live fairly cheap, i dont mind going crazy on vacation or buying 2000$ mixers from time to time. I do have an internal limiter of my own as far as spending, and that SP1 hits it everytime i think about relative price points of other gear. To me a 400$ midi controller with no soundcard, is about like a 3-4000$ mixer. WHat i expect in a 3-4000 mixer is super high end, top of the line mixer that i can hold on to for an indefinite amount of time and can strongly hold resale value. I cant see that in the SP1, midi controllers are dropping every year, 2-3 per company.

I feel the SP1 is over priced as well. I just see someone selling a used SX for $450, so how can $400 for the SP1 be justified.

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a justification for the SP1 as well. It's priced waaay too high for what it is. Should be around $150, imo.

LOL geez he should hang around with Pdidy they seem like a perfect couple!

The software is not perfect but not garbage ether. Things I'm not happy to see is Serato introducing things like software upgrades to support things like effect packs instead of software updates to improve critical things like crashes due to large music library's and major platter delays for people using SL3 & 4 with CDJ2000's. Other than those issues it seems to be working fine for me.....can't wait for these fixes!!

From the way it sounds you think one set of developers do everything when that's not the case. The coders that work on efx pack might not be the coders who work on bugs, fixes and patches. Serato coming out with new efx packs don't speed up or slow down the developers working on issues. I notice a lot of people saying this so you're not alone. But it's not how a dev company work unless they're a significantly small biz.

Ooh look what I found, a software update to improve critical things like crashes due to large music library's serato.com

Word. This is indeed frustrating. It's not that these kind of issues have NOT been reported before. There is no "sorry, we didn't know about this before"-excuse. Not here.

deejdave, you're really funny. At first you say that it's the people's fault, because their laptops are not fast enough. Then you switch it as soon someone says that he us using the most recent and powerful laptop, suddenly the laptop is too new. ?!

And all that "mac is the solution, you complain because you're not using a mac" - shut up please. These problems persist on a Mac too. And even if not... If SDJ does not work well enough on a PC then Serato should let the customers know "best performance only achievable on a Mac, not on a PC".

No matter what - IT IS NOT THE TASK OF THE CUSTOMERS to trouble shoot. Especially if they have followed the manufacturer guidelines (system requirements) etc.
It's still nice if people spend their time to help troubleshooting. But as said.. some of these issues have been reported during the public beta.

SDJ's GUI is horribly user unfriendly, IMHO. It's less efficient. And this is not only my opinion. Many of the pro DJ's (we're not taking about bed room DJ's who use the software here and then) I have spoken to, agree. It's NOT a question of accommodation and getting used to it. There are a few principles which seem to be broken in the current UI - I think.

Have I opened a help ticket? Sort of. I made sure Serato knows my opinion about it. And I think it is very important (you don't have to start a help thread) to let Serato know your opinion. Use FAcebook, use this forum, make sure it is out there in the public.

Hello Everyone.

Im very new to Serato, in fact Serato DJ is the first and only Serato product that i have tried/use. I;m not a Professional Dj. Actually, i use to do events and parties waaay back in 1990 - ’94 lol. But Music has always been my passion. I started djing again when i saw algoriddms djay app. And when I say djing i mean me in my bedroom.. alone just for the fun of it. This was just last yr. my very 1st um.. i dont even know what u call djing wd a mac. Anyway, 3 weeks ago i saw/loved and bought the Pioneer DDJ-SZ, which made me use Serato Dj.

Serato Dj blew me away. what a software!! And the DDJ-SZ? SUPERB. In fact i Loved it so much i bought another one.

For about 2 weeks, i learned, well sort off, the very basics off serato. Hot Cue, Loop, Sync. all else such as effects etc etc are all turned off, simply because i have no clue how to use them haha. Sure its in the manual but too much work for me ehe.

Anyway so last thursday i went to one my clubs and Djed (done this only this year, maybe a total of 20 times?) Everything was going as practiced, till after 90mins Serato Dj froze with the spinning wheel of death. then the ddj sz lighted up like a christmas tree. the worst part is DEAFENING SILENCE.

Imagine the embarrassment!!!

My Club is the most popular here and its about 5000 sq ft. it was packed.

i opened a help request - nothing
emailed - again nothing

So i read as much as i can in various forums

Sadly, I learned, that this problem has been going on for a long time.

Anyway, I’m pretty sure I already know the cause. The only reason i wrote in this forum is to share this info to everyone out there. I can imagine how bad it would be to a professional Dj who does it for a living. It can easily ruin anyones reputation. This is so irresponsible on Serato’s part.

THE MAIN CAUSE IS THE PITCH N’ TIME. I AM 99.999% SURE of this.
Pitch n Time + Smartsync + moving the tempo slider = SPinning ball of death.
the more beat markers u add the more chance it will happen. EVen if u dont touch/edit the beatgird it will happen.
Pls dont misunderstand. Im 99.999% SURE that PnT causes the BBOD CAUSES IT. I did not Say that it will happen for sure. However, in my 5 tries it happened 4 times

-here is what i learned.
1). No matter what latency u choose same % of freezing
2). Library size is NOT A FACTOR. TRied with 25,000 songs and with 2 songs. (all purchased either from beatport or itunes)
3). Not a cpu problem. Tested it on a 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
with 8GB memory. And on a Macbook Pro 15” 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz with 16GB memory
4). More Beat marker u Put > the % of freezing
5). The higher change in Song orig tempo (pitch control %) the > the % of freezing.
6). Tested this on Serato Dj 1.6.1 and On Serato Dj 1.6.2
7). Every Time I will Test to eliminate i will go thru a routine
- Reset SDJ preference in Library Folder
- Update Firmware of DDJ-SZ (even if its already 1.12)
- delete existing Audio Midi Setup and rescan Midi device
- Delete Entire Serato Library, Add files, Analyze.
- Needless to say, each step was done according to the right order including reboots and whatnot
8). Same results with the other DDJ-SZ, and pioneer ddj-wego2

For such a great Software, i find it very very had to believe that Serato did not encounter this problem on its testing stage, if they actually have one. Also, why not remve your “support” tab or file a “help request” and email if your not going to respond? And as i have read in the forums, U guys give the same lame answer. I mean no disrespect to the actual tech ppl who Im sure are working tirelessly to solve these problems. Management ordered you to stick to the official line huh?

How Sad.

Serato , You may not realize you could be ruining other people who depends or survive even on Your product. Hey if you need cash come and ask. Ill put you guys in my charity list. After all My net worth is over US$XX,XXX,XXX.00. What a Shame.

Anyway I hope this help anyone. If not at least its out there

@ PMC
"i find it very very hard to believe that Serato did not encounter this problem on its testing stage, if they actually have one."

Well i find it very very hard to believe that YOU did not encounter this problem in YOUR testing stage, if YOU actually have one.

So here's where I have an issue, You clearly state that you've identified the issue by extensive testing, Right ? So therefore you knew there was an issue PRIOR to preforming in front of a live audience and crashing. Yet YOU did it anyway.....

It is the sole responsibility of the dj to ensure to best of their ability that their gear is preforming up to standards. Your clients don't want to hear your excuses on how Serato F*#ked up, They only see that YOU F*#ked up.

You were intentionally negligent and irresponsible in your actions in my opinion.

That being said, you have all the makings of a Troll.

i read it as he had an issue at a club, then he went home and extensively tested it at home. although the money quote clearly signals trolling.

Right but either scenario he tries to play is Flawed by the standards he imposed on serato. ie "i find it very very hard to believe that Serato did not encounter this problem on its testing stage, if they actually have one."

And by know means am I giving serato a pass.....

But I am the ultimate Judge and jury who decides if a version of serato sees the light of day.

I view EVERY new version of serato as unstable and unreliable until PROVEN differently.

If you are a professional I would suspect you follow the same policy.

^Yes'sir. totally agree. At the end of the day you have the ultimate responsibility to your client. If Serato or any company is not giving you the quality of product you desire, find a company that will. Case in point, SDJ started freezing up on me in the lab and the last thing on my mind was to take it to one of my important, make or break gigs. So after doing some research, I went out and got the Pioneer Aero with Rekord Box. After testing it at home, it has performed absolutely rock solid through 4 gigs. I still love me some Serato but they got some problems they need to sort out before I go back in the lion's den with them. I'm just not one to bitch and moan to someone about a problem they know they have. I adapt and make the appropriate adjustments and keep on steppin'.

This is a known issue and serato team has log this bug, we just have to wait for the fix ;)

Zzzzzzzzzz

@ pdidy

First of all, sir, As I have Stated I am not a professional Dj. I dont have clients. The only reason i djed that night is because, without my knowledge, they made it (MY NAME NIGHT, ythat;s every thursday) Most of the people there are my friends and Yes all drinks are on me. Liek i said i started only last year agn with, djay, started mixing and recording my mixes, my friends heard it in my car/house etc and insisted i DJ agn. Believe me ill avoid it if i can. To drive the point home, we Used to be closed on thursday, till they made it my Nigth for all ny friends to party together.

Secondly, Sir, Pls read carefully before You start anything with anyone. Ill paraphrase it for you in case you cant follow. Bought ddj sz, practiced for abt 2 weeks , learned the basics, went to the club, THEN IT FROZE. IF YOU STILL DONT GET IT THATS THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT HAPPENED).
SO

a). isnt practicing/trying this and that for at least 12 hours every day is already testing??
but, to be completely honest, i didnt do that to "test" i did that to learn.

Why the hell would testing even enter my mind?
If you buy, lets say a brand new TV, or to be even more accurate an xbox or playstation why would testing the product even be a thought?

If you buy any software, thats been around like lets say an dell PC and a microsoft office or a macbookpro and iworks seriously dud, you gonna go home and read the source codes? Can you even read them? I can.

Lastly Pdidy, forgive my ignorance and begging your pardon, but what is a troll?

I am not imposing anything on anyone. All Im saying is that this freezing problem is soooo easy to reproduce.

And again, pls read, I LOVE SERATO DJ. Period.

Look guys, this is the very first forum, that i actually replied or made any comments.
To help serato improve like i said, and to let the other Djs know I am only trying to help. The DDJSZ cost US$2k, at the risk of sounding like a troll again, thats peanuts to me, but what of a Dj who isnt so well off?

Also Pdidy Curse me again and me and my private army will find you. Thats not a threat thats a promise. We live by different set of rules here in the Philippine. Even Our Go^^amn president cant talk to me that way.

Hers my Go^^amn full name. Mark Lawrence Chua, Manila Philippines. (Sorry Serato i know ur rules. But here people got, Pls allow me to borrow your words, F*#ked up for much less offense).

To the rest of the people in this forum, I sincerely apologize if what i wrote offends anyone. Serato, Like I said, your products aside fromminor bugs, leaves the other softwars way way behind. And as I have stated all programs have bugs. Some more persistent, troublesome and stubborn than others. It is ridiculous to demand an overnight fix. And as i said in my first post, I'm sure you guys are doing everything you can, it is for yopur best interest after all, you are unable to reply to all customers, would it be so hard to inform the public that is stiill a work of progress thats is what i meant.

THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.
goodbye

Apologies
I reread my Original post and it seems that i left something important out.
On my Macbook pro and imac :

with Pitch N time OFF :
SDJ tempo slider at max (+/- 50%)
Key lock on
Loaded 25,000++ songs.
chose 2 random songs and in each song randomly placed abt 100? beatmarkers
SmartSync On
while both songs playing, (repeat) I slide both decks slider up down up down and so on asking a friend to press sync, or pause then sync to enter smart sync and so forth
In the background :
Copied my entire iTunes library to a external drive
Made allgoriddms Djay analyze all 28K songs in iTunes
10 VLC windows playing movies same time
Repaired disk permissions with disk utility
Used Photoshop C4 to edit random pictures

Al of these were running at the same time,
Refresh rate of SDJ 60 (right most)
Buffer size Latency 1ms
NO PROBLEMO

Now repeat all of the Above with PNT ON
Should take you less than 10 mins to hang

Everything else is exemplary.

Like i said in my post above..This bug has been log by the serato team.

@wadup

Hence the posting of the tests, only trying to contribute as I am new to Serato but immediately loved it. i was under the impression this is where you post issues and possible cause/solution? not being sarcastic.. never bothered to participate anywhere before..ehe I'm in no way impatient =). Since I only Dj once in a purple moon. =). And only when totally hammered to overcome my stage fright haha.

Posted that for other peoples benefit.

And i got my head bitten off.

My remarks to Serato I believe are justified.

I dont know about other DJ softwares, but i know not of any other software be it Gaming , Productivity, Media, or OS that was released that crashes so often and remains unresolved for so long. Both on MAC and PC. I should know cuz my Main Business is Telcom and Computers. Sure there are compatibility problmes but DDJ-sz was made specificaly for SDJ and so was the expansion pack.

Anyway i wasnt complaing. Just that I wasnt sure if Serato knew about the Pitch and time problem, since i read so many forums and didnt see it, also emailed Serato and they asked for the crash report.

Anyway thanks for letting me know.

Have Fun =)

No worries man... hopefully they will fix it soon. The only work around for now is DON'T use sync and these tracks that has multiply red beat markers when using pitch n time.

BTW Pitch N time enable alone is very stable.

Problem : Pitch N Time + Sync + Multiply red beat markers = Hang

SERIOUSLLY??

Shouldnt the ultimate responsibility be On Serato And Pioneer?? Since they were the one who Made/advertised/sold/profitted? Be it A professional Dj or just for hobby, Dont we consumers at least expect what be bought to work?

Let me ask you? when i bought the SZ and used SDJ and it never hanged or showed any problem for 2 weeks to learn serato dj should i have learned/tried/tested it for another week? a month? a year? pls tell me how long? In fact pls tell me why would i even think it would freeze in the first place.

Im sure your using a mbile phone, did you test that too?
Or when u buy food at any resto? Do you let the servers try the food to be sure youo wont get food poisoned?

How About your speakers? Your headphones ? Your Surge Protectors?

Or your car? lets presume you did test drive it, so your saying if your going 50 miles an hour in the freeway brand new car and all, test drove it, then on yoiur way home, the breaks fail on you and you fall off a cliff, i guess that car's manufacturer can wipe they're hands clean, since the ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY was on you on choosing the right brand and model?

Look. I wrote that in good faith. Mabe because im on a third world country and we are all stupid here, i misunderstood what "COMMUNITY" meant.

i don't bittch and moan my friend. I AM TRYING TO HELP. Thus the effort of testing and posting.

If I am not welcome here just say so. Silly me trying to help other Djs who does this for a living.

hey Wadup

tnx =)

actually, other than the beatmarkers from analyze, i dont use the edit grid, cuz quite frankly, i don't know how lol.
sync only to get the same bpm, cuz i like it old school way back when i did it in 90-94 with vinyl. Was in High School back then haha. and (nothing against SYNC) but takes the fun out of it for me.

But Youre absolutely right. that equation = disaster.

The only thing is, Although, Problem : Pitch N Time + Sync + Multiply red beat markers = Hang.
I don;t know if that was the reason SDJ froze on me in the club. Thus till now trying to see what other things makes it freeze. I cant rememeber if PnT was on cuz i was HAMMMErred haha repeated the same song 3 times in 20 mins haha.
but all good cuz most are my friends and it was a very casual setup. And Of course, they too were hammmmereered lol.

As for the rest of the guest VIP passes for thise weekend and my resident DJS saved me impromptu emcee hehe


Cheers

@ EPC. your excuses are illogical and flavored with ignorance so it has not earned a respectable reply but if nothing else, your stories are somewhat entertaining.......

serato dj 1.6.1 working flawless for me :-)

nobody really listens to PDIDY, I wouldnt sweat it too much.

guy walks into a store and decides to buy a controller that ONLY works with SDJ(one of many) and has been told that SSL will no longer be supported after 2015. Makes the right decision right? looks at the specs on the box, his computer fits the specs. He/she dont know about SDJ being new or having kinks, he just buys what seems to be the latest version of a controller.

now, some of you figure its the consumers fault? i thought this tv/media conspiracy was a myth, but you guys must be hypnotized by the corporate powers that be.

Then return it!

If there was denial that there is any issues, then yes...

The problems are known, releases are coming out. The last release didn't have that many bug fixes other than updates for new controllers.

Well guess what, they still have licensing to keep up with, no?

Bugs suck yes, some take longer to fix than others. Priorities get overuled by business decisions.

It's the part of any computer based product. The one good thing is you have a company, that stands behind their product and will make it right.

That is the historical position that Serato has presented. I'm a new comer to the Serato camp but not to the digital dj software world.

Even when I was not a Serato customer, everyone knew of Serato's rep. They will make it right.

Nobody paid me, etc. to come to this side. There is a known benefit.

They will get it right.

Quite frankly, when bugs like this occur I make it a point to go back to previous software that I know worked before (kind of like a System Restore process). Although when people start chiming in on why customers should just deal with whatever issues they may encounter because Serato is a business, and shouldn't have a sense of urgency to keep their current customer base happy is not how businesses should run in a world where more and more people expect instant gratification.

Naturally, it's a balancing act when a company like Serato has to support hardware manufacturers, and continue to innovate competively to appease old and new customers. My humble opinion is that Joe Blow the customer ultimately decides a company's fate. With competition being as fierce as it is today, a company can't afford to sit on its laurels because they are a "household" name and think they will survive on that alone. True there are some hardcore fans of Serato's software who will stick with them regardless, but people still exist in this world who vote with their pocket book. One of the strongest if not the oldest marketing techniques is call "word of mouth". It's more contagious than the bubonic plague, and if a company falls victim to this plague it's hard to recover from it. Let's say I'm a hardcore faithful Serato customer who think serato can do no wrong, or make wrong business decisions, and I tell new comers to shut up and deal with it or go elsewhere....guess what? Eventually I, the hardcore faithful fan, will be affected when people jump ship or better yet stop buying Serato products. Of course I'll still be spinning on Serato only to find out somewhere down the line the product has become stagnant because revenue has stop flowing as projected, quarterly expectations aren't made which leads to department cuts, layoffs or even acquisitions and bankruptcy.

No company should want to place themselves in a position where their business model is based on customer "churn" (with the exception of Telcos). If a company has a significant install base it should do whatever is necessary to minimize customers leaving for the competitor, all while attempting to attract new customers from their competitors install base. This also pertains to almighty Pioneer who I'm pretty sure has a lot of clout on Serato's decisions. Keep in mind that Pioneer is a company that can't survive if we don't buy their products as well. Comments such as giving poor Serato a break because they have to support new controllers etc., is no excuse. Don't forget that the hardware that they are adding support for and will eventually utilize their software has to be purchased by someone. If a bad reputation starts that Serato isn't the same Serato they were a decade ago, and when someone finds out that the controller they are looking to buy runs Serato's software....people will pass and eventually not only will Serato suffer, but hardware manufacturers will fall victim of decreased profits.

I can go on and on and name Fortune 500 companies that longer hold the status they once held back in the 70's and 80's because of bad business decisions and the Big Head syndrome. Customers spoke with their wallets and eventually they suffered their fate.

Bottom line, I don't think it's fair for a forum member to come in and blast another paying customer because a new forum member has a "opinion" based on their experience. Do you not know that you are actually doing Serato an injustice when grandular comments and attitudes are thrown out here in these forums, defending business tactics that you aren't privileged to. This applies to private and publicly traded companies. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it's good or bad in your eyes or not, but let's not forget we are all customers in these forums with the exception of a few.

Please step back and place yourself in the other person's shoes before blindly chopping their head off. If you can't assist a person with their issue or guide them in the right direction, why not pass on to the next thread until you can find one where you can provide positive feedback.

Peace!!!

Haha, agreed.

This is my humble opinion, but I just feel the market is spoiled now because of computers.

We all know what we would have to go through if this didn't exist.

For real now...

I agree on your computer comment...technology has spoiled us all in some form shape or fashion. However a company must be able to evolve to forever changing customer bases. This isn't the 80's and 90's analog age...welcome to the all new digital age where Baby Boomers and Gen X's are phasing out and will no longer affect a company's bottom line in 20 odd years, or heck we won't even be the targeted market. The Millennial's and Generation Z's are all about instant gratification and shows no commitment or loyalty to companies. If current and upcoming companies can't adjust to the demand of the latter generations mentioned, they are in big trouble.

Peace!!!!

All agreed but then Serato will need to expand their development department to facilitate this.

The mad circle starts all over again.

True....R&D is what keeps a company in the run and a great amount of revenue is budgeted to these departments, that is if their budgets aren't cut drastically based on my initial post. :)

thats the thing, that was their rep. it was pretty airtight, because like you said, everyone felt that way. Guys like Konix went out of their way(and weren't employed by the company), but now there is not a Serato Dj tutor, and Serato is going the way of Native Instruments. Ive seen the progression of SSL and it seemed to always stay consistent, itch and SDJ have never been consistent.

In my eyes SSL and SDJ are completely different bags now.

Scratch Live had a subset of hardware to work with. Serato DJ has immensely passed that which in turn naturally causes growth pains.

Now they have one platform to deal and the direct result will be in a positive direction.

Trust me, Traktor has seen WAY more changes than Scratch Live and Serato DJ put together.

There are still guys around to help, they want requests to be put in for a reason.

It's great when problems get fixed but if they are not aware of them in the same breath, the knowledge doesn't get transferred.

For instance, I helped a user with his DDJ-SX issue and database issue and reported that back to them.

The user stated clearly that he spoke with support directly and had no solution. Serato isn't open 24/7 but I'm usually by my computer possibly close to that.

But they still want a request put in so there is...

1) Record of the Issue
2) Transfer of Knowledge

So I said, I'll help you since my daily profession is tech support and quite frankly working with platforms and equipment that iare way more complex than a DJ setup.

Everyone is on a learning curve and it will take a little time for things to smooth out.

Platform changes are always painful.

Thank You thorissr.

Guys, I bought a controller the best for now among pioneers hardware line. Exclusively for Serato Dj Only. Did I expect to get my money's worth? Of Course!!

Did i expect it to be flawless and perfect? OF COURSE NOT. NO SOFTWARE AND HARWARE including from the smallest household items to the big machineries can claim they are bug and problem free.

Did i read any forum or research serato first before buying?

NO. Why? Because sirs, quite frankly, this is not my world, I dont hear anything about it nor see it in my everyday or even anyday. Although i do know that both Serato and Pioneer are both well established, well respected and one of the leading companies in their respective industries. I buy my new tv should work fine buy new imac, macbook pro, car, microwave,dishwasher, cctv etc etc i expect the same from the things i use and varies only if it was a fly-by-night company or an established and respected one. liek a cheap flashlight vs a maglight.

Id like to think that we lay people who just love music and love to fool and play around even if there is no audience just for the love of mixing shouldnt be the one who is blamed instead for not knowing what may seem to be "common" and "already known" to those who are in the industry.

I do not know where pdiddy got the idea that im trashing serato. Isnt it obvious from my first post that im trying to help? when i encountered the problem, serato support was unresponsive. so I emailed and at the very top of my email it stated "this is not a complain letter but more of an info gathering and contribution as i want to be a fuctional part of the serato family.."

I never saw a relevant answer in various forums, so i made the effort of collating all the advice, ideas from forum to forum, tried and tested, and whatever result i got i posted. without any judgment or color or bias.

simply put, i a noob encountered a problem, didnt know where to get help or ask, also didnt want to bother anyone, read the forums, still no joy, figured some other ppl probably are having the same problems and frustration , so took it upon myself to figure it out and share. Learned this was a problem that khas been going on for quite some time ( i didnt know that fact when i stated if serato did testing at all cuz i thought it was a SDJ-SZ problem, also at taht time i had no clue whatsoever what was the cause so i had everything checked from power supply to cable to a quadcore)

When i discovered (so far that it was the pitch n time issue) i was very happy cuz ill just simply turn it off. Bu trealized maybe other ppl are still in the dark if i thappened to them too with the very new SZ so that was the main reason why bother posting at all. I wouldnt go to all these trouble to participate if i thought Serato sucks. To Dj Quartz, my policy is either help improve a given product or just throw it in the trash. Get it? Thats why im not complaing at all for me cuz working or not doesnt bother me at all. The corporate practice however hmmm.. can treally make a sweeping comment since i have no idea of whathappened in the past but US@2k Controller that was made for and only for Serato Dj then they charge for Pitch N time = sure freeze. This i can't swallow.
However, if they had at least, in their my Serato page made even a simple note or info about this ongoing issue then yes it would be at the customers own risk. They said nothing. I felt like i bought a hammer only to use on myself.

Still SDJ Blew me away. Aside from that PnT 10 out of 10.

Pdidy im glad i entertain you tell you what , why not stop hiding behind a computer come to me here in Manila ill pay for everything, first class all the way, ill even give you the helicopter tour, or if you dont have the F*#king b@lls to do so send me ur address and ill fly over to you. against the rules or not here is my email address m@rkchua8@hotmail.com.

Even if you seem no to be able to read and follow the narrative in sequential and chronological order, i hope you can figure out the one letter substitution in my email.

come here and bring all your friends ill pay for them too. hell i pay for all your funerals too since were at it. if not ill bring my people there.

Shall patiently wait.

If you don't have the b@lls to do that too, then leave me the F*#k alone.

Oh thank you too Mr Goodkat =)

forgive my ignorance and naiveté, this trully is the 1st forum I've joined too busy running the businesses and raising my wonderful kids.

cheers =)

[QUOTE]To Dj Quartz, my policy is either help improve a given product or just throw it in the trash. Get it? Thats why im not complaing at all for me cuz working or not doesnt bother me at all.[/QUOTE]

Good because that's the only way things can get fixed.

Before anything, again, In no way, should you read this thinking its bashing or a complain.

Simple question. Is my SDJ and SZ freezing solely because of the pnt + multi beatmarkers problem?

That is what i identified on my own.
I can not evaluate SDj solely on forums since most of the people who starts forums are those who encountered problems. It would be incredibly narrow minded of me to do so.

Basically, what im asking, is does SDJ show the spinning wheel of death to anyone else , who doesnt use the PnT?

To be more accurate does anyone know of any other issue because i would like to see and test it. since i can get any hardware that i want from my various clubs and my computer stores basically carries almost all the desktop/laptop of both windows and mac.

Like i said i want to contribute and at the same time learn.

many
thanks

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AHHH so that what a troll means lol

didnt realize posting results of what u tested, as Serato themselves encouraged to do so was sowing discord...

beside as long as you werent referring to my looks alls good haha =)

Oh... so SDJ worked for the first 2 weeks. But now it doesn't... Hmmm (Tech Support 101) Let me ask you this, what changed on your computer after those 2 weeks? I don't think you're telling the whole story.

PMC....forgive me if I missed it, but what version of SDJ are you running? Also what OSX versions you have installed on your 2 testing computers? Did you update your SZ's firmware?

You are correct that PnT is a major culprit for many who have installed it. I have 2 Macs, one that I use when spinning on the SZ (MacBook Pro) and one for my NS7// (iMac 27 for Video) and I didn't run into one single issue until I bought and activated PnT. I noticed that when I activated PnT in the control panel and proceeded to check it in the setup panel I immediately start seeing a decrease in SDJ performance. I would immediately uncheck it in the setup menu and go back to spinning, when I noticed that I was still receiving less than optimal performance. I eventually went back to the control panel and completely deactivated it and my problems were solved after a quick reboot. Don't know why, but for some reason or another it will continue to act funky and draw resources even when it's deselected in the setup menu.

I will eventually revisit PnT at a later date, but for now I pretend it doesn't even exist. There are so many variables when attempting to problem shoot hardware/software issues outside of a controlled environment. Barring the PnT issue that you obviously are aware of, I have not experienced any other issues outlined in your posts. The specs of both computers you noted, should be able to run SDJ without a hitch at a optimal level. I have performed several tests myself ranging from Surface Pros to MacBooks in the past two weeks, with varying results dependent on multiple factors. Example, everything is running fine on my iMac with every setting maxed out, all 6 effects activated, heavy scratching and running video with every setting set to best quality on and on and on. However, there was one thing nagging me.....my dang waveforms were stuttering like crazy, even if I dropped my settings. Couldn't figure it out...then I gave it one last shot and decided to downgrade from Mavericks back to Mountain Lion. Presto!!!!! Problem solved!!! Waveforms running smooth as butter:) Mind you, this is with PnT deactivated.

Peace!!!!

See this is a mixed bag because I've been reporting increased performance with SDJ/SV/PNT since upgrading to Maverick.

This is with SL4/NS7FX testing. I have SX that I haven't cracked yet but don't want to.

Mr. Pdidy
1629 Bushwick Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11207

The more I work with SDJ, I like it more and more because it's one platform, one workflow, universal setup between dvs and a controller. There is a ton more benefits.

I came from Traktor and I'm still very happy, and I'm sure it will only get even better from here.

That being said.

If anybody needs some assistance and is not having luck, I'm more than glad to assist.

Exactly!!! Uncontrolled testing environments will yield results all over the chart. I can go on and on, but OS platforms, OS versions, hardware specs (infinite variables), optimization steps for both platforms, SDJ versions, hardware controllers.....you get the point.

Two people can go out and buy the same exact MacBook Pro models, install the exact same SDJ version on and on, yet there will be one setting or feature that one or the other will not be in sync with. One of the 2 will seek out help and ask why their setup isn't running right, all while the other person is gigging out with his/her setup with no issues.

I posted a SDJ feature request about a week ago, requesting that Serato implement required/recommended specs to run their software at a optimal performance....not just the minimum required or recommend specs as they do provide this information.

My analogy is similar to how PC game developers list on their websites or disk cases what specs are required to just be able to boot up to the settings menu. They also inform their customers on what specs are required if you are expecting to run the game maxed out with all the eye candy @ 60 fps or more. You see I'm all about transparency and companies informing potentials buyers what to expect and what's needed to run their software at different performance levels. The days of SSL back in 2004 where it was ok to code software for the least common denominator hardware was much simpler. The way technology is moving and features constantly being added to SDJ, one day in the far far future a DJ will need a i13 Xeon Octa Core CPU, 5GB VRAM, and 32GB minimum RAM to use basic dj software features.

Personally, I'm fine with buying whatever it takes on the front and back end to get the best out of something I love. However, I can see how someone can be frustrated or even angry when they buy something only to find out after the fact they need to go out and purchase a $1500 computer to get the experience they were expecting initially.

I'm pretty sure someone will post a link directing me to Serato's Software requirement page, but to a not so tech savvy person those requirements can be misleading thus causing confusion. They say you need a core duo, i3, i5, i7, 32/64 bit which I'm pretty much up to date on Intel's previous and current chip families. If I weren't up to speed, I could say that all I need is a i3 computer that exceeds 1.07ghz and I can run SDJ (32 Bit application) at a decent performance level. Or better yet, i5 and i7 for PnT.....are those requirements referring to duo cores or quad cores, Turbo Boost 2.0, or supported Hyperthreading?

Frankly, my opinion is that Serato should perform these tests in controlled environments and plaster it all over their site that in order to run everything we have to offer at optimal levels you WILL need a "XXXX" computer with all listed specs on what they have verified through their own internal extensive testing. This will eliminate a great percentage of bad press, forum traffic, support costs, etc. Customers will and can respect the transparency and openness if they know beforehand where they stand in regards to purchasing additional equipment if needed. Kinda of funny, but I remember when Crysis 2 was released and I was so hyped for that game, but I knew beforehand that I didn't own a computer that could touch that game even if I was satisfied with a mere 10fps with all settings off or set to low. Three months later after the hype settled, I ended up buying a high end Alienware computer specifically so that I could play that 1 game the way in which the developer envisioned it being played by gamers.(eye candy)

Like I said I have no qualms with Serato and absolutely love their products and have no plans of ever jumping ship, yet I can sympathize and understand the influx of people who are and were disappointed over the past year with Serato's new direction.

Hello Sorry late reply

When I bought the Sz and installed SDJ and practiced/learned wch inadvertently "tested" I guess, the SDJ for my setup
I was using:

OS X 10.9.2
DDJ-SZ 1.12 firmware
Serato dj 1.6.1, 1.6.2. wasnt out yet. Bought Pitch N Time same date too but didnt use it cuz i had yet to learn even just the basics of Serato.

Everyday i fool around with the SZ and SDJ. Since 1990-1994 i was djing while still in high school. started agn wd Djay last year seeemed simple enough and resembled my comfort zone. EHe. So Liek a kid with a new toy with all the buttons and gizmos i was heavily relying on the tool tip to know which was what. haha.

On the 17th, as every thursday, wether i like it or no ti need to support my club so up i go. but saw that there was an update of SDJ to 1.6.2

Assuming like all other softwares udate is always better, i did that right before leaving for the club. (Sorry for a noob question but doesnt that apply to serato? What i mean is, i ve read severl post including all of you guys (which is very helpful btw thank you) thta sometimes you revert back to the old version? hmm

Anyway so SDJ freezes that thursday or to be accurate early morning of Friday.

OS X 10.9.2
DDJ-SZ 1.12 firmware
Serato dj 1.6.2

Since I'm using the same mcbokpro, same library, played the same songs in its exact order, even the same usb and power cables. that only leaves the update as the possible suspect.

Heres the thing. i didnt touch my setup anymore when i left my house, latency always was at 1ms, didnt know Serato ate a huge load but then agn ive run other heavy softwares too, refresh rate was always at 60 from the very start. smart sync was tick along with the rest even thou i don treally understand what it does. It was already ticked when i opened setup. (wch baffles me since manual says simple sync is default, anyway all the rest of the boxes were unticked INCLUDING PnT, load itunes library, FX, crates, as embarrassing as it is to admit i dont know hjow to use them and dont plan to since i just love the music. exclusively prog house.

so when i got home i assumed it was the update. (at htis time i had no idea that PnT was even an issue) reverted my imac to 1.6.1 and left my macbookpro at 1.6.2.
BAsic knowledge tells me Rainbow ball=heavy CPU load (wch btw never reflected in the bar. with the exception while analyzing my green bar never even reaches halfway. Anyway my point is since i assumed heacvy load thios time around i ticked everything on. After quite a while of pressing buttons, and making bpm swing wildly while set at 50% range. i began noticing a pattern wch finally Pointed to Pnt. Both the imac on SDJ 1.6.1 and the macbook pro on 1.6.2. i have now crashed my SDJ 20 out of 20 tiumes when i want to. but of course that scenario will never happen in any given circumstance. Iwas exaggerating everything to help eliminate and isolate the source. What still worries me is that im pretty sure PnT wasn't turned on whhen it hanged in the club. Cuz I hae yet to read what it actually does. And i didnt touch my setup anymore.

In a nutshell Im 100% sure the combination of Multiple beat markers + PnT + moving slider over 8% will cause a freeze. What im not sure of and need advice , forgive me ehe, is if thats the same and only possible reason SDJ will freeze. From the 17th till now i have slept a total of 6hours still testing. But so far nothing else makes it freeze. SO I still dont know why it froze at the club since Pnt wasnt turned on

Also FYI so far from my test re 1.6.1 and 1.6.2. what cause one to freeze cuses the other. nand vice versa whats good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Way to go Quartz!!!! BTW welcome!!!

thorissr thank you.

That was what i was trying to say from the very start. I don't believe in pointing fingers. Either be constructive or just leave. Still Any company should at least do the basic test and put out the required specs, the recommended specs, and the optimal specs. As you say , like what gaming companies do.

How is it that i, who never read a forum , never had a clue that SDJ had some issues, have absolutely no clue what a "smart sync" or a "beatgrid" is can find out this deadly combo in a day or 2?

Even if it may work on some or some SDJ users never encountered a problem, how hard is it for serato to put an (*) sign Beside the product name and make a footnote,

That is all what im asking.

it was never about the software. The software is the bomb!!

It is a matter of principle.

using thorissr's examplewith gaming companies, there is still a diff. when a gaming company release a bad software all it will accomplish is ruin only itself. In this case, if left unchecked not only serato ruins its good name but also of the poor unsuspecting prof dj who has an important big event only for his SDJ to freeze on him. Serato True it isnt the consumer public job or responsibility to do the testing, tweaking etc etc, But me personally, i really dont mind, nothing will be gained by bashing serato, thats why i try to post the results of the test that i made. And besides wether you are aa profesional Dj, or a bedroom dj like me, arent we all into this music is our passion and for the fun of it.?

DJ Quartz
Thank You. Thank You.
Seriously i dont know where to go to ask.
I dont mean ill be bugging you and all. haha but seriously i feel like im pon an island. no one has the SZ in manila, From Pioneer itself told me i bought the only 2 they currently have, And there are no Serato office here. When I go to the support tab all i can do is DL software and file request wch im not sure when will be answered.I was getting the feeling that this forum was for ppl the adults table only and i should go look for the kids table

again tnx and to thorissras well
=)

Ragman i didi write in complete detail everything. Dont u thinkits pointless to ask people for help then levee things out? Besides at this point i can probably write you a program to control your house using your mac but with sera to being 2 weeks old with me i wouldnt know which part to leave out since i dont know which does what yet. haha

but the answer to your question as stated above the only diff was that i updated the one i used that froze in my club. bu tdoing the pitch beatmark combo it will crash the 1.6.1 as well . pls bear in mind that i have no clue yet how to edit beat markers so all beat markers are from seratos analyze feature.

BTW when the rainbow beachball came out, ALL the lights in the SZ alighteed and was frozen too.all the freezing i read in the forum states there was still music some distorted some not. Mine was total silence.

Had to use the trackpads mission control to get out once i was on my desktopi saw everything else was working except for sdj


Thank you guys for all ur replies need to leave for now pick up my kids from school have a great day/night

It appears you have covered all angles, but last resort is to check to see if you have corrupt files in your library, (orange lightning bolt in far left column). And yes smart sync does draw resources, however I keep mine at Simple Sync since I never use SYNC to beatmatch. One last sleeper that can sneak up and pull unnecessary resources is quantization. It's located right above your virtual decks right of the FX SP6 Video tabs. When activated it will turn blue. It's a resource hog as we'll, not quite as intensive as PnT, but I found out that my performance dropped after I accidentally clicked it. When I unchecked it everything went back to normal.

@thorissr

No problem and Thanks, I've been on Traktor platform since '03 after Stanton joined with NI. The Stanton Final Scratch version never worked for me so I had to wait for three months before I could use it.

Changed over to Scratch Live in Jan 2012 from Traktor Scratch Pro, prior to that I started using Itch in 2009 when the NS7 came on the scene after touching it at Namm.

@pmc

No worries, the problem you're having with the freeze up is definitely a known issue and few have raised the problem.

They are definitely looking into the issue.

Oh ok this isn't your first rodeo....I was over in the Traktor camp briefly when I picked up the Z2 when it first dropped, although I was primarily using SSL at that time. Ended up selling my Z2 and bought the 62Z and never attempted to straddle the lines again. :) I see you have great taste also by picking up the NS7 back in '09. It's a true piece of art as well as the upgraded version, the NS7//!!!

Peace!!

For sure I was looking to standardize back then because I wanted to have controller with moving platters to DJ when conditions didn't suite turntable use.

ie: Flatbed trucks for Carnival parades... :)

But also, my vision at the time that somewhere down the line there would be unified platform I could use turntables and my NS7 on.

Once it was quite clear Traktor would not support the NS7 then I had to look towards the Serato with hopes that they would unify Itch and Scratch Live at some point.

Google NS7 and Traktor and you'll see the history... Project NS7 on Facebook started from that.

I complete mapped the whole NS7 to Traktor with extra shift functions for effects. I didn't acquire a NSFX until after I started using Itch for the NS7 solely.

Also, Traktor did not have a 2-Channel Scratch mixer on the market with the build I wanted, so once I got my hands on the 57 it was destined. I got sick of hooking up all those wires all the time.

I guess I came in just at the right time even though I'm testing on an SL4 but I'll just have to grind to get that 62.

Any I won't hijack the thread anymore.

Serato Dj is still a joke until proven to be as stable as SSL... Oh and can we get the elapsed time back in offline and other views lol

i finally upgraded to an I7 (2010 2.66ghz with 8GB Ram and and an SSD drive) i was able to operate with no problem until PnT was activated but all i got was red lights when i was beat juggling (tapping the vinyl to slow it down) and thats the only time i get it now, i have my buffer on 2ms (Rane Panel at 8ms). i definitely think the problem is PnT and Mavericks, when i turn off PnT SDJ runs even better, other than PnT which i hope they'll improve in stability I'm cool. i think it might be a bug within PnT as far as vinyl manipulation goes as far as tapping, slow drags etc etc. It's just a guess on my part.

You are correct....it's a known issue that Serato is aware of and has openly admitted. Now I use the word "issue" lightly because my guess is that Serato released PnT to give users access to a much improved key algorithm. It's a modified in house software that was migrated to SDJ. The fact is many users have been screaming for years for a better key lock and they got it. However, the caveat is that in its current form you have to give up something in order to use it, ie...heavy scratching or better yet any manipulation of the vinyl.

My guess is that many users who use PNT regularly don't complain about it because some users can mix, beatmatch and perform an entire set and NEVER touch their jogs/vinyl. Therefore Serato has to go back and fine tune PnT to allow all users including heavy jog users to utilize it with no issues. I would assume when that update drops that PnT has been improved to incorporate adjacent features while in use, some will come back and say Serato messed up PnT and that it was working properly for them prior to that update.

These aren't facts, merely speculations on my part of course. Time will tell.

again, i dont think its a failure, but the implementation has been terrible. NOw what people are admitting is that an extra 29$ plug doesnt work correctly, but we can just turn it off. and dont worry serato will fix it.

DOnt worry about your corvette you just bought. the AC makes the car over heat, but just dont use the AC, were gonna fix it in the near future, sooner or later, but we might tell you the month its gonna happen. just wait or go back to your old car or better yet get a new one. L.O.F.L.

again, i dont think its a failure, but the implementation has been terrible. NOw what people are admitting is that an extra 29$ plug doesnt work correctly, but we can just turn it off. and dont worry, serato will fix it.

DOnt worry about your corvette you just bought. the AC makes the car over heat, but just dont use the AC, were gonna fix it in the near future, sooner or later, but we might tell you the month its gonna happen. just wait or go back to your old car or better yet get a new one. L.O.F.L.

sorry bout that, somebody delete if you dont mind.

nah it was a good post…. and it's the TRUTH.

Please allow me to add more to this hilarious post, cause you nailed it!

"...In the meantime and while waiting for the AC to be fixed, please mind that you should not exceed speeds over 30mph because of steering difficulties being noticed and also the reverse gear should not be excessively used as we had reports of problems related to it but nobody has made an official claim to us, so we' ll just stick to upgrading the brakes for now. Still, it's a great car and way better than a 2012 Civic, don't you agree?"

Combined with your post Mr. Goodkat, I believe this describes the current state of Serato & SDJ.

Agreed with you.
They're missing the elapse time LOL

Love a good analogy :)

I've actually used cars a number of times myself to try clarify how our licenses work (let's not start that here though). I guess cars are universal and everyone has personal experience of thinking through options, features and drawbacks. And of course everyone has stories about when they break down.

I had an awesome Mini for years that used to overheat due to a slightly warped head that kept chewing through head gaskets. I was way too poor to do anything about it so I just kept going. Lasted for years like that. Awesome car.

Enough about my Mini though... In holistic terms of how they are built and how they run, here's my list of DJ software racing car personas. I won't give my reasoning at this point, but it will be interesting to see if any of you agree (or disagree) with me and why.

In no particular order:

Generic iOS app - Mom's Toyota
Decadance - Honda Civic V-Tec
Algoriddim DJ - Speedway Midget
Virtual DJ - Nascar
ITCH - Australian V8 Touring Car
Scratch Live - Indy Car
Traktor Pro - Audi R8 Le Mans spec
Serato DJ - Formula 1

Come at me :)

@SiRocket, DJ Chuckie Chuck - Time Elapsed/Remaining toggle is in the pipeline.

Fixed

:)

Fixed again

Lol, thanks :)

I don't know enough about cars to "Get it".

^ formula 1 race car

Thanks in advance.
Btw, im agree on Formula 1 :)

Here's my version with all the cars I've had over the years: LOL

Generic iOS app - (my 1st car) - 1994 Pontiac Transport <-- got it for $400

Decadance - (my 2nd car) - 1998 Ford Windstar (Limited Addition!!, Engine light was on for 3 years, but actually ran totally fine, but sounded like a Harley-Davidson LOL)

Virtual DJ - (my 3rd car) - 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe (Looked better then a damn mini van but Man!! What a piece of SHIT!!!!!!)

Traktor Pro & Scratch Live (my current/ 4th car) - 2011 Volkswagen Golf GTI (LOVE THIS CAR!!.. And I can totally fit my mobile gigs gear in it (most of the time))

Serato DJ - (my "hopefully" future car) - 2014 Ferrari (I really think Serato DJ has the potential to be waaaay better then the "other cars" in the future! (they just got a few more bugs to work out)

:)

Hmm, as much as I love Serato (been primarily using it for 8+ years) I don't see it catching up to Traktor, much less surpassing it, anytime soon. Traktor is filled to the brim w' a lot of dope features and customizations. I just happen to love the workflow of the Serato universe more. Though, I do own, and use Traktor as well. Primarily for the Remix Decks. If Serato get off their asses and give us an overhauled SP-6, I may begin to change my mind. But it would still require a whole lot more customization options to be considered equal w' Traktor's feature set.

So.....

SeratoDJ = Prius V (not a lot of power, moderate technology, excellent fuel economy, w' room to grow....a simple, practical, and enjoyable driving experience)

Traktor = Tesla Model S (loads of power, advanced technology, superior fuel(?) economy, more standard features, bounced back from near oblivion, but nearly at it's peak.....a speedy, complicated, versatile, over the top driving experience, but w' limited broad ranged support.

Though, I am rooting for you, Serato.

snickers are great :)

Ever had a deep fried Snickers?

lol :)



Oh man, Prius? Really?... the choice of enviro-guilty-feeling baby boomer empty nesters the world over. I'd prefer a pick-up.

My girl has a Prius V, and I rather enjoy driving it. I chose Hybrids because of them being at the forefront of technology........sorry if my analogy offends, it wasn't really meant to.

All good man. Sorry, I wasn't really offended - I think the Prius is pretty awesome actually. Fair call on the forefront of technology steez.

Thanks!

You know it just really dawned on me......
Traktor's biggest failure, and Y'allz greatest triumph is.....

SUPPORT!!

It is support that's kept me loyal to Serato all these years.

Traktor's support ABSOLUTELY BLOWS!!

I mean, Y'all changed the game! Never had any other company's forum been this great. I've been coming onto the forum nearly everyday since I joined. What a win for Y'all....haha! To have someone that intellectually and emotionally invested. I feel like, no strike that, I know that Y'all really do care about your customers. You may take a long time to address our wants/needs...sometimes you neglect them all together. Though, a lot of that is just our impatience. You've spoiled us, haha. Given us a taste of how it should be done, and as a result we demand more. You're not perfect, but you're definitely a shining example of how a company should interact with it's customers.

Aw man... THANKS!

We definitely try and we really appreciate all the valuable contributions you guys make. Sometimes it seems like some here are on our forum more than we are, which is great!

Yeah, we know we are not always the fastest and some issues can get parked for a while, but we really pride ourselves on being a voice for all our users here at HQ. Priorities are what they are and we in Support don't get to make those big decisions, but our products and development teams really do listen.

I can assure you all that if there are outstanding issues that we know about, they are being thought about carefully and methodically. Sometimes I wish we could share with you all some of our internal decision-making processes, but that just isn't practicable. One of the hardest things in Support is not being able to share with users the exact reasons for some decisions. We feel users' frustration for sure.

Cheers for the good vibes man, it's always good to hear :)

Aaron

"Sometimes I wish we could share with you all some of our internal decision-making processes, but that just isn't practicable. One of the hardest things in Support is not being able to share with users the exact reasons for some decisions."

I totally get it, what astonishes me are people who don't.

That's just business 101, what successful company do you know of that blabs all its internal workings in "detail" too the world ?

Haha, indeedy. Ever tried talking to Apple?

This.

Yep. It was pretty good too.

before anything else this is not in any way anti-serato. AND THAT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE SDJ. (lol now i feel each time i post i need to declare my loyalties haha)

Wouldnt it be better if such known issues, specially with the PnT be stated/adviced in the product page itself, specially since its an additional separate purchase? It;s not about the amount but non prof dj like me , wee me at least , had no clue when the freeze happened. but I meant aside from corporate responsibility, that way Serato will get less complains, and quite frankly noobs like me wont need to panic not knowing which was what lol.
I no longer worry about the Pnt bu tlike i want to purchase the fx packs and the remote, Read upto page 146 of the forums... didnt see a concrete issue about those bu tthen again neither di di see any about PnT.

In short, i've read so many forums, i no longer know which is which but umm again ehe forgive the noob question is there any where that basically shows any other causes of freezing. aside from PnT? used SZ and SDj w/o sync and PnT so far puuurrrfect =) still... better be sure ehe..

thanks

Wow, had no idea this thread blew up so much.

Update for anybody who's curious. I ended up sticking with my SX and SDJ over the past 8 months, and I must admit that I am quite satisfied with how far SDJ has come since its first releases.

When I wrote this post, I was fresh off of 2 weeks on constant issues and my controller/software crashing on me at gigs. It was ruining my reputation, spoiling others nights out, and was overall just making me look bad. It was a frustrating time in my short DJ career.

At the time I wanted to switch back to an s4 with traktor since that gave me no problems when I was using it. But the need for an immediate fix (had gigs that week) led me to buy a MacBook while I would have to wait to find an s4, as well as wait my asus laptop to get fixed for a seperate issue (hard drive crashed after a friend dropped his empty glass on it.) Luckily (or unluckily, however you want to look at it,) SDJ worked so much better, maybe even flawlessly with a Mac than with a PC. Just like another poster said, SDJ really is designed to work more efficiently with a Mac than with a PC; maybe thats not Seratos fault, maybe its with windows, but either way the problem exists and causes big problems for a large market of DJs.

Since I've been using my Mac I have not had any system crashes or Software crashes, but the reason I am finally visiting the forums again is because I believe I have an internal ground loop within my SX. I am currently seeking answers and options as to what I can do about that problem.

Either way, maybe I acted out rather harshly in my original post and could have been a bit more careful with my word choices. Saying it was a "complete failure" and that "everybody can agree its a failure" was over exaggerated. But it did serve its general purpose of bringing attention to the problems and what I hope helped fix them.

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Well, then perhaps you should abandon this handle as you are clearly NOT Over It...

Traktor User.......pfft, that explains everything.

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Dont agree that its a total failure. I made the switch from SSL only 2 months ago and its working fine. mostly.

BUT..... I DO feel Serato is wasting our time with updates that deal only with the insane new amount of hardware out there, rather than fix SIMPLE problems and feature omissions - most of which were present in Scratch Live.

Cmon guys. Cue points cant be set to chronological. WTF? There was a tick box in SSL but now it doesnt exist. This is a step backwards. Just an example of many small things that should have been retained...

I'm sure your team is stretched to the max, but it would be nice to see at least ONE valuable and obvious bug fix or feature included in every update. Instead, all I see are brand new features mostly geared towards new supported hardware.

I'm not one to moan, but I paid a lot of money for this little black box. Not to mention the new records I cop every few months.

Thats my 2 cents.

Thank you kindly.

you get it. now michael s. will say, 'they are coming in future updates, i think you will like it.'' of course we would have liked it when the software dropped and you made people start paying for it. smdh

i think people have given up on creating bug reports or asking for things…. just seems quiet around these parts, these days…. -_-

I've been asking for an updated SP-6 for a while now. I want a real "sampler"....not a sample "player". It doesn't have to be as complex and versatile as Traktor's, but it's gotta' be something more than it has been for all these years.

But now I have to wait for DVS to gain more stability within SeratoDJ. I swear, it's like one step forward, two steps back when dealing w' anything Serato does. The merger was supposed to make everything more streamlined. It's been a minute now, and everything seems disjointed. I mean, if they can't reintroduce something as simple as Day/Night views, then where do I get off thinking anything will happen w' the SP-6? I read that they were working on it, but that's always Serato's line......."they are working on it".

Overall I am pleased w' SeratoDJ, it's just got a looooong while before it will be as stable as ITCH & ScratchLIVE were. Still though, I have to give them credit. The amount of controllers, accessories, and PC platforms that they have to manage is overwhelming...at least to me. How they manage all of that must be a logistical nightmare. Does anyone remember the simple days of ScratchLIVE? Even though I don't really use DVS anymore, I kind of long for those days again. Innovation was steady (frequent updates), and the users themselves seemed to be more participatory back then. Now all I read are a bunch of newbs constantly complaining about shit for which they haven't the slightest clue.

Ughh, at this stage I'm just along for the ride.

The last release had a really important fix for CDJ users:

"Playhead jumping incorrectly when using CDJs in Relative Mode"

We also did a lot of work on improving the platter latency and lighting which for CDJ users was a big improvement.

There's many more releases on the horizon and another big one on the way. We're actually quite steady with our release schedule at the moment and have already put out 4 updates this year - there's a lot more coming and some of those annoying features that have been missing such as chronological cue points and MIDI panel are definitely making it back.

We're always listening to you guys too and want to do what's best to continue to innovate and build our platform for the future!

sam.

Gonna leave this right here…..
Bridge or something like it.

I'm sure your team is stretched to the max, but it would be nice to see at least ONE valuable and obvious bug fix or feature included in every update. Instead, all I see are brand new features mostly geared towards new supported hardware.


The last release had a really important fix for CDJ users:

"Playhead jumping incorrectly when using CDJs in Relative Mode"

We also did a lot of work on improving the platter latency and lighting which for CDJ users was a big improvement.


smdh (that means shaking my damn head if you need clarification)

the point is… this is PROFESSIONAL software… i wouldn't be a sarcastic asshole if features that existed on other software versions that the new software replaced (not as an upgrade but as a forced to upgrade due to hardware, and OSX future versions) didn't take over a year to come over, or come over AT ALL. or if the communication was a tad better and not like an elite clique in highschool being all hush hush or like the the illuminati… Or if the software wasn't presented as being stable, when IT REALLY ISNT AND HAS ISSUES AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!..

Once again… each cubicle in NZ should have an 8.5x11 paper reminder pinned inside with "professional" in big black bold letters. :)

As mentioned for the 100th time… i am open to alpha and beta testing for serato since i always have criticism and something to say.. and actually push the software and use it to put food on my plate each week… I have yet to have anyone reach out.

I agree,

SDJ shouldn't have been released till it was at least on par feature wise with SSL, and its still not after being in the wild for over a year and a half

I belive the reason for rushing it is to accommadate all the new manafactures that want some of the action and licensing issues that prevented other manafactures using the scratch live software,

so lets take a chronoligical look at things,

sdj for what i can find was released on 1 Noverber 2012,

ssl 2.5 was released Jul 15, 2013
Sept 5th 2013 they announced SSL was being discontuined, but they must have known for some time about this plan but not made it public,

so what are the development team up to is what I want to know, wasn't the whole point of ditching ssl to give one platform for development (which I still think was a licensing issue with rane about other manafactures thats why we got itch/sdj replacing ssl) so with every update for sdj i hope to see the feaures ssl had being brought over but each release seems to be only accomodating new hardware and not addressing the missing features from ssl,

So SDJ had had a development team for for some time before its release and since the ditching of ssl in july-sept you have had the full development team working on SDJ or so you'd have us belive and what have the results been?

you take effects available in ssl don't add them to sdj and when you do you charge for them,
we got serato remote, nice thought, long overdue but lackluster to say the least where are the library options,
you finally address the keylock which has been requested form users since near the start and charge for it, not a major issue as i don't mind a company charging for a NEW feature not when they scalp features from the old version add them to the new one at a later date and try to charge for it

the thing i have an issue is.... i paid for pitch n time without complaining because i feel a professional feature is worth the cash....

BUT I CANT USE IT BECAUSE SDJ CRASHES, ITS LACKING FEATURES BROUGHT OVER FROM SSL, AND ITS JUST A HEAVY PIECE OF CRAP!!

That's what irks me.... but yeah..... i guess i'll bite my lip and live with it for another year and/or turn down gigs. Yes i could just spin bare bones with two disks/tracks without the bells and whistles like the old days... but i'm paying for an unfinished product, so yes i can complain... ;)

The sdj switch feels like the "new coca cola" did many years ago.... customer views, opinions, loyalty and hype means everything.... once you aren't cool or hip or reliable... you lose your image and your backing... Kind of like an expensive fashion brand no longer being cool or elite once it makes it into wal-mart.

Sometimes I wish i didn't care so much about serato as a company or it's software, but i have to use it 5-6 days a week for radio shows, retail and private gigs, and for club gigs... it is kind of in front of me all of the time...

This.
I didn't expect SDJ to immediately get all the features from SSL but it really worries me that SDJ isn't updated to be a replacenment for SSL for CV users yet. I actually don't know any control vinyl DJ who has made the switch to SDJ yet. Everyone is sticking to SSL but for how long? You cant stick with SSL for forever...

Sorry Human Error but you're wrong. SDJ runs flawlessly on DVS mode, even in battle mode. Ask everyone in these fora and they'll tell you the same.

Oh... I almost forgot, the only people claiming that SDJ works with DVS are dudes who have NO IDEA about turntablism. Or they own a 2 grand mixer. Or both.

Wait and see, by the end of this day they'll start firing their BS.

BTW I'm with you on SDJ/DVS.

BTW pt2, I'm yet to see anybody who claims that SDJ works on DVS to actually do a video and prove us wrong. Until then I call every single claim in favor of SDJ & DVS a complete BS.

??

See various replies above and over the Help section.

what are dvs mode and battle mode?

Full-on scratching & beat juggling using control vinyls.

Not trying to beat a dead horse to death, but I've recently went back to SSL full time (TT/Rane). My DDJ SZ and NS72 are pretty much collecting dust (for professional use) because of how heavy SDJ runs on a top tier spec'd MAC. I know many think that SDJ is geared specifically towards controllers but believe me, anything past 1.5.2 has its share of issues for controllers....albeit PnT, dropouts, red/yellow blinking lights, songs playing in reverse, etc. There are many forum members who will counter these claims by saying they have never had a issue with 1.6+ even on a minimum spec'd MacBook, but the issues with SDJ voiced by countless threads must be addressed or else Serato will have to deal with customers jumping ship. I know I know, some will say go ahead jump ship because who cares.....well Serato should care!!!

I will be sticking with SSL 2.5 for the foreseeable future, or at least to the point where SDJ has been updated and running stable for 6 months to a year...with fellow forum members reviews giving the green light. For sure SSL doesn't have all the bells and whistles like SDJ, but it gets the job done and is a fresh breath of air to spin for 4+ hours and not having to worry about dropouts, crashes, latency issues and the list goes on. Personally, I look at the transition of SSL to SDJ as the trying to force a square peg in a round hole, hoping and wishing for a perfect fit.....At his point "that dog won't hunt". :)

I'll tell you what all of this stagnation has done for me. It's made me want to buy a Nexus setup. I am not a turntablist, so after selling my TTs a year ago, CDJ (static) platters would do me just fine. I swear, if I had a spare $7,400 I would buy a DJM-900, use the internal Traktor soundcard for the Remix Decks, and then use Record Box within the (3) CDJs for mixing. All my problems solved (except for the CDJ's lack of FLAC support). In fact, I have seriously considered holding off from purchasing another SDJ controller (DDJ-SZ) and doing exactly that. I seriously doubt that any upgrade to the SP-6 is going to match or surpass Traktor's Remix Decks, so I might as well.

I would miss Serato, I really would. I've been primarily using it since 2005, but it is getting a bit tired now. Ahhh, who knows? Maybe SDJ will be everything I want it to be before I have the funds to buy the Nexus setup. If it is, I'll refrain.....if not, then at least there will be a viable option to ditch the laptop for mixing all together.

Nexus, My headphones and some USB Sticks.

hey guys, they got the cd player buttons to light up and you can use the reloops buttons. theres that.....

That's almost like apple releasing the iPod in 2014... Lol

We definitely did more than that :)

The CDJ playhead issue was a very important bug to fix and affected a large number of users. It basically meant that you couldn't press play to just start the track as it would skip. A super important playback issue we really wanted to resolve in that last minor update.

The latency improvements and lighting fixes were also a vast improvement to the tightness of control for CDJ users and also users of controllers with platters that supported this.



Other than MIDI panel and sorting cues (which are coming soon), what features are still on your top 10 to be re-introduced from Scratch Live into Serato DJ? AM mode?

As well, what features would you like to see in the future? What do you guys want to do with the software that you can't do already to make your sets even better or to make your life easier?

Sam.

Samuel,

thanks for asking openly.

First of all, you need to make sure that SDJ works with heavy use of control vinyls (i.e. turntablist level), while PnT is on. Not just fix dropouts/clicks & pops, but also make sure that cue points will not start jumping. SSL killed the competition because cue points always stayed on point.

Second, we absolutely need individual FX routing options. In specific, to be able to route just the return of e.g. Echo to the AUX channel of SL3, so it becomes post fader on an appropriate mixer. I know this is possible on the Rane mixers, but we also need such a function for Rane interfaces too, while supported by SDJ itself. I've also posted details on the features forum on this topic.

Third, you need to revisit beat grids. It is good that I can setup beatgrids with such a detail, but before that I need a basic beatgrid right away, when I analyze a song. Since the BPM detection is so solid, beatgrids should be too (at least on a first stage). Otherwise I am forced to work on every single track I have on my library, case by case, and make sure that each beatgrid is correct. Not a viable solution, logistically wise.

Last, please consider introducing more interface skins. Or even an option to customize our own. The real estate on SDJ is way more crowded than SSL, without necessarily being useful for everyone.

I'm not sure if it's a bug or forgotten, but the scrolling of tracks on the 62 (not sure if it's happening on other mixers) after using the search box should start with the track you just searched or loaded instead of at the very beginning.

You can push command -L, but that's an extra step and only located the track if it was previously loaded.

Thanks

Well for a start you can bring over all the things SSL had that sdj doesn't there is more then 10 things there

Also can you answer now your not developing ssl anymore and the focus is on sdj how are you doing such a bad job with it

I know i wont get a straight answer to this but how can you expect ssl users to transition over to sdj when the software doesnt have all the features ssl had why should we downgrade because your developers can't handle the workload, when ever anyone complains they get well you can still use ssl, to me you see the DVS market as milked for now anyhow and the focus is all on controllers and fixing bugs interduced with by adding support for all this new hardware

If I recall correctly when you guys said having one platform made from scratch with all new hardware in mind would mean updates would be released quicker and we'd have a more robust stable software to me seems like the opposite we get gimped software with features taken out and charging for effects we already had

I like serato that's why i rant but I'm no fanboy so I call it as I see it i think the penny droped with the ceo's that having free updates was no longer going to be financially viable so now the focus is on new money as in controllers and were getting cast aside, the controllers guys don't complain how can they miss something they never had? / end rant

1. Everything works as well as SSL
2. All features from SSL
3. bridge or something like remix decks in tractor
Until then I'll be using SSL I guess

Even though the user % isn't high... Stickersync!!! It's a feature that if it goes final, it could be useful to many and stir up some press hype!!!!!! Stop acting like stevie wonder and realize this!

Even if stickersync ever makes the cut, it won't do any good if the software is bloated, heavy and keeps crashing.... You need a solid program and foundation ;) FIX THAT!

Stickersync

Elapsed time

Day night mode

Midi panel

Be able to assign cue points in custom bank of dicers without disabling the actual "stock" cue point bank for the corresponding cue that you set in a custom bank (I like to set a midi for cue 1 in a custom dicer bank) but for tone play i go back to the stock cue bank to get all 5 cues..

This is a start....

on my machine ssl 25 mb, sdj 134 mb





some are featured above i'll include

chronological cues (and cue moving up when erasing the cues beforehand i.e. if you have cue 123 and cut 2, 3 moves to 2)

i even like the repeat effect on ssl when you held a cue on the keyboard.

Its all the little things inside the program made for djs that made ssl the best. not whether it supported margnially used turntable or cd player stuff. why keep doing serato icons that use turntables, keep pushing tts if you are so worried about controllers and cds. or at least have some guys that use those controllers and cd players involved in your marketing campaign so you can be clear that tts arent your main interest.

Umm, Bailey uses CDJs.....jus' sayin' ;-)

i dont even know who bailey is. other than i think a dnb dj.

i see, yes, they did get one out of 10 using cdjs. the others are heavily vested in tts.

One very important feature is the ability to send and receive midi clock for example to NI Maschine.

Good to hear a lot of these things are in our coming-up-soon list.


We got you! We are looking to add this in an update.


Same thing here. We're thinking something like clicking the time remaining could toggle to this, in the views that don't have space to display both.


Top of the list. Coming soon.


We are on it.


This one will be after some of the above but definitely on the radar. We know lots of our users use the inverted screen trick and are keen to provide a proper optimized Serato version.


From memory we actually changed this on purpose. I think some people didn't like how it re-triggered if they held it down a split second too long. Interesting to hear you used it like this though. Do you find it useful? What could be cooler is if you hold down a cue point (on hardware or keyboard etc) and it retriggers to a value you have set. Perhaps using the quantize value. Just an idea.


This is probably lower down the list. But we do have some cool future plans for MIDI that might help you achieve more custom stuff like this.


MIDI clock would be awesome and is something that has been in discussion a bit recently around the office. How do you think you would use it? Would you just want to sync up your Maschine loops to what you are DJing in Serato DJ?

good to hear on stickersync ;)

For the dicer issue… this was never an issue with SSL, it just popped up with SDJ… frustrating as it makes us not want to setup a custom midi setup and or workflow because it will be replaced in a few years and isn't guaranteed to work with the next version…

That's almost like forcing someone on turntables to use controllers or cdj's… even thought they like needle drop features, spinning platters for scratching, etc.

Just a thought.

even though*

Don't be silly man we aren't going to change that sort of thing! That sounds like it is just an oversight or a bug to me. It's quite a specific way of using the Dicers which is probably why we haven't heard it. Though I wonder if it's just a general MIDI problem. I'll see if one of the guys can see what the deal is. Not promising your getting a fix tomorrow though ;)

Hey SiRocket

As Scott explained to you in your thread back in April serato.com, this is how MIDI mapping currently works. We've re-tested this on Scratch Live 2.5 and can confirm the behaviour is the same there. Which version of SSL are you able to map the same feature to two buttons with?

I'll hit up the products team to see if there is anything that can be done to change this so that the 'native' cue layer is unaffected by mapping on the user layers.

Could you also please open a help request for issues like this as you'll get a much swifter response if you come directly into the support channels. The team do get out here in the general areas regularly, but we obviously keep a much keener eye on direct requests for help.

For anyone wanting to open a help request for a specific issue, please go here: support.serato.com

Cheers
Aaron

Logan or Aaron, anything in regards to the scrolling after search box issue. Thanks

I didn't map the cue on two banks. I just added cue #1 to a custom dicer bank. And then it's still on the oem "stock" red bank too. So I didn't program it twice. I just did a custom map to cue #1 on one of the custom banks.

Works ok in 2.5 and past SSL but no dice in sdj :)

Hey Niro



Yes, this is an issue that has been raised. I'll have to check in with the products team to see where this is at.

@SiRocket

Thanks for the clarification. We totally get what you're saying in that you haven't mapped it twice yourself. As I said, I'll check in with the products team to see if we can do anything about this.

We tested Scratch Live 2.5 and 2.4.2 and found what you describe to be consistent in both versions. Could you possibly make a video for us to show how it works for you in SSL?

Thanks

Aaron, thanks

Niros.

The Serato Icon Series was a look at the artists who helped us up to this point. They were the people we looked up to and admired and more of a retrospective look mostly at artists who represented the Serato ethos.

They are mostly turntable focussed because that's been our biggest user base since forever and most of those artists represented the upper echelons of that.

There's a bunch of cool content in the works which represents a much wider spectrum of artists, styles, setups too! Look out for some new stuff soon. Also, we're working on a large amount of helpful tutorial / masterclass type content ourselves and in collaboration with some partners which i'm excited about.

Anyway, i'm going to drop this in here now: soundcloud.com

So... in between words and lines, it is clear that SERATO has now switched focus from turntablists to controllerists. Not necessarily a bad business move (or a surprise to any of us), but as you confirmed, your company's marketing strategy still relies heavily on trurntablists, but your product range does not resemble that.

Dunno, maybe I am missing something here, but last time I checked my marketing book it was clear that having a pedigree on racecars doesn't mean that you can also sell motorbikes. You also need to perform great in motorbike races too...

I wouldn't read between the lines there at all... Just trying to tell you that we have supported some great artists who use turntables and also have some other interesting content in the works that has a much wider reach.

Chemtrails.

Chemtrails? Now everything makes sense.

I LOVE DETWEILER!!!!

I have "Flute Drop" #11/100

All this and nothing about bridge or something like remix decks?
Sigh

I jumped the Serato ship last year when my DDJ-SX didnt work with SDJ and bought a Nexus 2000 setup. Glad I did no issues waiting for new version of Rekordbox soon.

If you notice I talk about Midi Clock and yes I forget about the Bridge and Ableton, a long awaiting feature since Itch came out.
Let's see if with Midi Clock we would get the Bridge with SDJ.

Out of interest, which part of The Bridge did you guys use the most; the panel for launching clips, mixtape for recording, or the transport control for Ableton projects? ... or a combination?

We've always been keen to know exactly how people have used (and want to use) which aspects of The Bridge.

Aaron

Initially it was all about the mix tape recording. For weekly mixes I put together for Retail stores this can't be replaced. The panel for launching clips and transport control go hand in hand. This is what I have been using at shows now.

So here is what I'm would like.

1. The mix tape feature. This is just an output format it seems correct?
If so please just make that happen or something like it that maybe can be imported to multiple types of DAWs.

2. All the features of controlling the the transport wether with the transport file or by syncing it to a mp3 are awesome. But realistically if we can just have a clip launch windows for each deck I'll be happy. I want to be able to load a song and have all my clips load with it. It should be synced with the deck. it could be an added field in the tag section of the mp3 that has the file to load. Even if I have to build the Clip file manually and save it with the file name, that would be fine.

Thanks hologram, that's good info :)

We know sometimes it can seem like we've forgotten about some long-standing requests, but there's a lot of discussion that goes on behind the scenes. We genuinely do want to make stuff that users want (lol, feels funny saying something as obvious as that), it's just a matter of getting the planning and execution right.

mixtape was gold… i haven't sold my 57 and i'm still on SSL for that reason (plus the others of course) ;)

For the dicer issue, i can definitely make a video if need be… but if you guys have replicated the issue where the original "red" cue button #1 doesn't work if you assign cue #1 in a custom bank on the dicers, do i really need to make the video since it's already replicated in your office?

Let me know! :)


Btw, hi nirossssssss!!! GET TO WORK! haha!

No problem.
I almost forgot
If you do this yourself it would be awesome if those clips can be mp4s.
I think you can see where I'm going.

Fully integrating Ableton Live to SDJ would be the death of any other DVS system. I mean, the possibilities are endless if you can get it right. Now, if you add on top Serato Video on that, then IT'S OVER.

Unfortunately though, we can all guess the CPU resources required for all these to work at the same time. I mean, we have already exhausted the current situation with just PnT enabled. Adding the Bridge on top of that, plus Video, is probably not even feasible at this point in time. But within a couple of years, yes, I can see that happening.

But for now, lets just stick to fixing the current SDJ status, ok? :-)

I'll be best friends with everyone in NZ again when stickersync, midi panel, elapsed time, dicer fix, and MIXTAPE surface with SDJ... i'll hang up the troll gloves for a few :)

I hope to use these features at the next namm party or i'll have to get creative on the "battle" call outs again ;)

Waddup Ricky, lol. I'm about to walk out the door to do a set with Total Eclipse in Bali tonight. :)

Ricky has been asking for sticker sync back forever and im glad they have finally said it will be back. Guys like ricky who made serato what it is from the beginning need to be heard.

''From memory we actually changed this on purpose. I think some people didn't like how it re-triggered if they held it down a split second too long. Interesting to hear you used it like this though. Do you find it useful? What could be cooler is if you hold down a cue point (on hardware or keyboard etc) and it retriggers to a value you have set. Perhaps using the quantize value. Just an idea.''

that would a cool idea to have it do a predetermined length and be able to turn it off or on. i got so used to it, i could kinda do a roll and one drop from time to time. its not the end all be all, since dvs are good for open format, its just another transition to have in the bag since its all about keeping it interesting during transitions.

Appreciate that jere! Hopefully the light gets brighter in the tunnel :)

Killin it!!!!! Have fun man!

you guys are sleeping how about that morse code thing or buffer king

Watchwww.youtube.com


any word on that logan


give me buffer king, sticker sync, midi panel and mixtape or bridge and i will be happy

morse code is game changing for sure!!! sigh :(

I believe it's called Tone Play.

Don't forget 64bit version of SDJ also

This.

The Bridge (or comparable new replacement)
64-bit version of the software
Retina support for Mac
Day Mode
Buffer King as a FEATURE, not an Easter Egg
Remix Deck-type upgrade for SP-6
Photo slideshow capabilities in Serato Video

Heck, why not take ALL of the Easter Eggs in SSL/SDJ and make them standard features?

This plus make "Remix Deck-type upgrade for SP-6" and bridge work with video.

done

Thanks for the feedback guys. I know Logan and the rest of the products team will be reading this with interest :)

Cheers

This!+1

Obviously in addition to SDJ actually functioning as advertised and expected on computer systems that meet/exceed the operational criteria...

Hey Grimis

Can you open a help request here please: support.serato.com

We'd be happy to take a look at your setup and try help you with any issues you're facing.

Aaron

So I was having CPU issues after I upgraded to Mavericks back around Feb 2014.... Said F it and did a clean install of Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and what do you know.... DJ 1.6.3 at 2ms with video and PnT running no cpu lights no heat I'm seeing about a 20deg F difference i tried to tax it changing tempos hitting cues over and over and it runs sooo smooth.

I don't care how old SL is its totally worth it to be worry free at gigs now... Mavericks definitely is a CPU hog... Good luck.

i already have done, twice... got my first response this morning though. *fingers crossed*



Snow Leopard would be a bit of a jump for me in terms of software i use that would become out/predated[?], Tried something similar with Mountain Lion but no dice

That's what I've been doing for years now......until' Apple gets it's shit together and quits trying to force me into an iPhone or iPad or "i" whatever-the-fuck-else with these recent OS', I am going to stick to 10.6.8..


www.parallels.com

I've used scratch live since 2007. I read the forums had no need to ask questions online ever. I've been quite for years. As SSL became more advance I've stepped up my laptops. Own 2 (one backup) 64 bit i7 quad core usb 3.0, 16 gigs of USE-LESS ram. I am a computer power user, I hold a few microsnach certs and I certainly don't know everything. I'm extremely tired of crashing scratch live with memory limitations due to my large library (I know to reduce it) <- that's ridiculous. Yes, I'm using scratch live, refuse to go serato dj till the bugs are fewer. PLEASE GO 64 BIT ALL READY! I understand people don't know the difference 32 vs 64 and I do. Starts with the BIOS or newer UEFI. With data everything must ride the bus. The north/south bridge, cpu, video chip, hard drive and for this big known issue the "RAM". RAM: 32bit limit is 4GB, 64bit is 192GB :) I can go ALOT deeper but no need to. GUESS WHAT! Mines reached the 2GB limit moons ago --> ""CRASHES CONSTANTLY"" <--. I've spoke to Rafeal, Shaun (Not their fault) you have no expectations in current near future for a 64 bit release.

Looked at Traktor and no freakin way will I step back. Their is no other DVS I'm interested after owning the 57 and now the 62. This is not a cheap investment! HAS NEW ZEALAND AT LEAST STARTED CODE? Your programmers have several by the balls waiting. I'm 100% sure broke DJ's will upgrade laptops IF you all pushed 64 bit. TOTAL waist of time utilizing, sticking with 32 bit! TOTAL!! (my opinion). Thier are many benefits of 64 bit and yes hurdles I'm sure for the programmers but why start out 32 bit SDJ (big mistake). The year 2014 mainstream boards are 64 bit not 32 bit. 64 bit arrived in 2003, 11 years ago.

Summery: DJ's don't have time for bullshit 64 bit is WAY OVERDUE!

mixtape!

reloop turntable midi buttons work though.

I to would have to add to the fact that this is one massive mess, I can't even spin a 20 min set without massive sound distortion as well as the blips in audio. I'm actually considering trying other brands myself to find something that is stable so I can actually get through one track without the software dropping the ball or distorting. You may be starting a new platform, but since its release you would figure you would have addressed some of these issues.... The software is not even usable, but yet you released it ? I noticed MAJOR issues just in the 1st track I played.... I'm really hating the fact that businesses are starting to release garbage that is no where close to ready just because they know some of us will put up with it :(

I'm not sure what to do here,, been using your products for a long time, and had a lot of respect and love for them until I see this joke of a product. you have no 64 bit release as well which is sickening in its own defense. Ask yourself one question "can I spin a full set without major issues" If not then "should I be releasing it" I assure you, you made a major mistake releasing this,, and you made a lot of headroom for other products to rise above yours. I have made a major contribution to this product,, and I'm starting to feel ripped off..
If there is no actual updates that addresses real issues you bet your ass I'll be selling this interface and using the money to try something else that actually works.

Feels like I've been taken advantage of,,, and I assure you I'm not the type to make the same mistake twice! So how about making your product a working one hmm ?
A move like this just shows how dedicated you are to the money and not the people who gave it to you..

Guess I should at least start looking for something that works so I can still hit events in the mean time.. Ya I have to spend more money because of you and your staffs incompetence.

Maybe actually try the product before you release it,, and if you did then I'm truly right about my vulgarities in this post... The software does not even run the most basic of functions without complete meltdowns.

Screw bridge. i would be happy to not have to use SSL and my 57 (unplugging my 61 or 62 from the studio)… and BE ABLE TO SAVE A FLAWLESS ALS file….

Only in my dreams of course.. :( I feel like my new Corvette can't roll down the windows that I paid for, and the fix is being advertised as "indefinite" :(

screw bridge but bring back mixtape!*

+1 Seriously I have i5 6GB and on SSL & sometimes use WIFI. I run pretty much smooth no problem. But with SDJ it's so buggy and glitchy at random times!! so I rarely go on SDJ if I gig out!! I prefer SSL.

1+ Mixtape too

Re: the mixtape functions, what were the best features that you guys liked about it?

Do you guys think this was the most useful feature of the Bridge?

Matt P

Being one of those people who also use it to perform every week, I can understand how important this is. However, I'm not experiencing the same problems. I use it every week as I did with Scratch Live without fail. Hit me up at support@serato.com and i'll try and help you with this man.

Regards

Matt P

I never used the mixtape feature - but I did use the clip launching a ton and worked on some unique live based sets.

It was very very cool to have the ability to remix to that degree on the fly, and have the scratch ability on another deck.

www.parallels.com

D'oh!

Seriously though; blackavenger... should this work as i'm thinking it should, i could kiss you!

agreed!

man, the mixtape feature is still the future. Can I just state that everything about it was perfect?

SiRocket has tons more experience with it, so he can probably chime in, but giving us the feature to output an als file that works perfectly with my rane 62 would make a happy culprit!

Oh yeah, it definitely works. You can have multiple instances of OSX and/or Windows.

Same here. I use it in public all the time, with a 3-month old MacBook Pro with Retina and running Mavericks with NO issues on my DDJ-SX, and an issue with my Denon SC3900s constantly dropping into internal mode is allegedly because the 3900s in Hybrid MIDI mode aren't certified with SDJ (though Denon keeps claiming they are).

I had issues with 1.5.0...that was a BAD release. But 1.5.1 until now has been absolutely stable for me. I have no idea what I'm doing differently than others, but I'm not complaining!

Mixtape is definitely my most used feature of Bridge.

But in my personal performances I've been looking for something like remix decks in Tracktor so I have been doing more with track and clip launching directly from SSL with the bridge.

Well yes it will work but your still taking a step backwards, focus on fixing the issue you have with OSX. Ive been using parallels, bootcamp and osx on all my Macs since 2008 and I can assure you you're going in the wrong direction in regards to serato.

If serato is NOT your priority, disregard my comment.

all of the original functions of mixtape... .als saving, all multitrack automation (sp6, deck 1, 2), crossfader automation (PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS IS ACCURATE AS IT HAD ITS HICCUPS AND WAS PRETTY MUCH USELESS ON ANYTHING BUT THE 57!!!)....

PLEASE BRING MIXTAPE BACK!!! it was the only reason I purchased a legit copy of ableton at the time.... bridge was sluggish so i ended up using mixtape and mixtape only... I would pay for this feature if it was PERFECT and didn't "disappear" and get abandoned 6 months after being released, and then being told sorry.....

Now you can see why i'm a tad salty about it... companies shouldn't act all hush hush and abandon products and features that they used as a selling point for software and hardware associated with software and the "update / feature fees"....

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For the record i have recorded over 100 mixes for commercial projects, weekly radio slots, personal podcasts, personal "post production" mixes, artist collabs (scratch overs, etc)... using SSL and Mixtape...

1 of those was done with a Rane 61... and the Crossfader recording was HORRIBLE

1 of those was done with a Rane 62z... and the Crossfader recording RECORDED WHEN IT WANTED TO.... smh... meaning maybe a few automations and that's it... it's like it gave up recording CF automation 20 minutes into a 45 minute mix... lol

and the rest of the 100+ mixes have been done on my trust Rane 57 gen 2.....

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I'm a legit user of this feature and not a weekend hobbyist.... these are the type of people you guys need to listen to if you still want to keep in the professional software game...

Thanks! :)

i'll be able to get some more mileage out of SDJ once sticker sync and midi panel decide to join the party..... right now i'm just using the offline player to set cue's, grids, etc... so that i don't lose out on time.... for when the day (hopefully) comes where SDJ is an option for me on DVS...

once i can get some use out of the program, i'll give some legit feedback from usage, stress tests and real scenarios... and won't be so sarcastic.... ;)

Just make Sticker Sync, Mixtape, Midi Panel, Elapsed time and the other hiccup fixes happen and i'll shut my mouth for awhile. :)

SiRocket,



Thats pretty reasonable dude. I feel where you are coming from. Hopefully sooner than later you'll see these things in some capacity in SDJ.
They are all such great features. Ultimately having you post why you use them helps us understand the demand for them. Although we do have some other goodies on the way that i'm sure you will also enjoy too.

Hang tight

Matt P

Agreed, also bring able to route the internal sound of the computer to desired channel easily instead of the static Chanel 1 now would be great, though this is also accomplished using the midi audio panel in osx currently. If not its not a huge loss

: / Gonna need to you elaborate on that for me.

My priority is a stable performing environment that also facilitates whatever else I need to do; how ever frustrating it may be to deploy, I would prefer it in place sooner rather than later. If you mean that I should contribute my problems in a communal sense in an effort to build a more stable product; have a look at this serato.com

If I've missed something please tell me.

Appreciated Matt... :)

I've been on your guys/gals side for many years now... I understand that efficiency is key on your guys part for time investment, profit, and advancement... As previously mentioned, i would gladly pay for pro features like mixtape, sticker sync, etc. I understand it all takes time and money... and professional items shouldn't be free, especially when you have someone like me nagging for them all the time ;)

I am also willing to help regarding feedback, alpha/beta test usage with legit feedback and testing, ideas, etc... for any of these features or even future items.. I'm not one of those ghost forum posters that just wants to troll or flame away. My voice comes with reason.

Keep up the good work on the software. I'm definitely looking forward to getting some use out of SDJ ;)

Thanks for the response(s).