No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.

I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.

Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100

No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

He's joking bro! :)

No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

i think they are working on a real solid 2.3 to get us all to stop crying lol

What have you paid for ITCH? What have you paid for the last updates? So why are you so angry?

Yes, itch is licenced to the controller you bought so you have paid for it. Bug fixes shouldn't have to be paid for.

i think they are working on a real solid 2.3 to get us all to stop crying lol

I think, you've bought a Midi-Controller an get one of the best DJ-Software in the Market for free. Have a look at Numark: The NS6 and the 4trak a nearly the same for the same price, but when you buy the 4trak you never can use ITCH, otherwise when you buy the NS6 you are free to use any other software.

Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.

Free? Oh of course, now I understand, Serato are a not-for-profit charity for digital DJs and expecting bug fixes let alone additional features is like looking a gift horse in the mouth and ungrateful.

Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.

Really?

Yes.

Really?



Yes.

^^^

+10000

When iPhone apps costing less than $10 come with better FX than "high end integrated hardware/software packages" costing about $1000 it's time to take a good long look at your approach...

The glacial pace of Itch updates is pretty frickin unique in this sector too. Mac 10.8 has been available to developers since the start of the year.

"more people asked for video, so that's why that came out instead of better effects"

Thats a load of BS!! The reason is coz they SELL the video plugin and make more money. How much are they gonna make by giving us better effects? How much more are they gonna make by sorting out bugs & giving 4-deck controllers a simple 2 deck view? They already have our money, hence why we wait years. "I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games." - LOL, it sure seems that way - care to tell us what you think they have been doing?

@DJ CAPRO: Just 3 days ago I started to create a mapping of the VCI-300 to MIXXX. During my spare time and without any JavaScript background ;)

Volume faders, potentiometers, most buttons and the high-res pitch faders (9 bit = 512 steps) are already mapped. My mapping currently includes 6 hotcues instead of the 3 hotcues + 3 manual loops found in ITCH. But the autoloop feature will be available, of course. The next big task will be to map the jog wheels that seem to deliver approx.1664 steps per revolution in a cyclic 14-bit value.

I'm disappointed by Serato, their slow progress and various serious bugs in the previous releases. Another reason for my ambitions is that Linux has become my main OS long ago. Since none of the 2 big players are planning any Linux support, I need to move on...

The frustration really hits you when you pick up a $10 app that most would consider a toy and it blows Itch away in terms of FX, innovation and modern feel.

So Serato now reckon they are:

"DESIGN JUNKIES AND DECK JOCKEYS
CODERS CREATING SONIC BOOMS
AUDIOPHILES DISRUPTING TUNES
BINARY CODE FOR MIXING HITS"

Not only that, but:

"WE MAKE ROLLS‑ROYCE TYPE S##T
SO YOU CAN BEND IT, CUT IT, SHAPE IT
LOOP IT, LAYER AND REARRANGE IT
TWEAK IT, SMASH IT, BLEND IT
SCRATCH IT, F##K WITH IT"

Rolls-Royce? Itch is more like Kia at the moment, pretty basic, fairly reliable, but completely unexciting.

"Your code's so out-of-date
My iPhone got mo real estate
What you got to appreciate
Is that to this party, yo far too late"

Would perhaps be closer to the truth.

So spare us the lame rhymes, the frickin "Icons" etc.

Focus on the AUDIO, fools,

F to the X

I would not disagree with you guys about wanting to see Itch progress a bit faster.

However, to keep bringing up DJay as a comparison is a bit of a straw man argument.

I guarantee you, if Itch was OSX only, we'd be seeing improvements to Itch at the same rate as DJay.

Developing for OSX alone means very little variety in hardware, OS, and drivers. Audio handling is far more straightforward on Mac.

As soon as you add Windows to the mix you are adding COUNTLESS combinations of hardware, OS releases and updates, bios, and drivers.

To retain compatibility for all that shit means that, naturally, development of new features takes a lot longer.

This is not just a theory. Take a look at the pace of change with Serato Video and MixEmergency. Inklen know that their core compatibility as a Mac only program is nailed. They can add new features very quickly. Serato, on the other hand, cannot, as they also have to try and make SV work on myriad windows machines. And even when they do impose restrictions (no Intel integrated graphics) for the sake of performance, the support forums are full of people with cheap consumer laptops complaining about it.

The iOS version of DJay has even less configurations to worry about. 3 phone and 2 iPad models? That's a lot of development headaches straight out of the window.

How about EVERYONE using Itch goes out and buys a mac. Then we might get moving.

for you mac users, traktor now has full support for mountain lion and macs w/ retinas displays!
its not out yet but ATLEAST THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR CUSTOMERS WHATS COMING.lol as for us ITCH users, we'll be stuck waiting in the dust...

Watchwww.youtube.com

And in case you're thinking of doing the same, B&H Photo has the 4Trak for $779 plus a $100 rebate from Numark and free shipping, $679 out the door or price match from Guitar Center plus 10% of the difference = $657 after the rebate.

www.bhphotovideo.com

omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!

ok it ends oct 31, take advantage guys..I give serato to the end of this month..mean while, i will start to fix my library in traktor and start practicing more with it just in case serato doesnt give an update by the end of this month..hopefully i can hold on to my ns6

I really don't have any problem with ITCH and SV...It has been pretty stable IMO.

I never had any problems with Traktor or Serato. can't say nothing about vdj because i never used it and i think every software has his problems and some people have more problems then others.
But when i hear people talking that they have more then 20.000 in their crates i wonder if that makes a system smooth. Maybe i'm crazy or lucky but i never have more then 100 tracks with me when i play somewhere. After 3 hours playing i go home, with 20.000 i could play for days.

The fx in Traktor is certainly better but since i use my DB4 i never touched the fx in traktor anymore.

btw i think people better can stop compare traktor and Serato because they both have a different approach and users have to choose what they prefer.

That's a fair compromise....give us a MIDI controller.

Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!

Then you can move on to fixing the Effects/Dropouts/Keylock/Auto-BPM/FLAC/etc..

It would be a start, anyhow!

Do you have any idea how long that would take and how much the development of itch will slow down?you're suggyesting for them to stop what they're working on, call meetings with the representatives of the companies, build a prototype test re build it, then code then beta test and hardware tests..and well yeah you get the point

lol..at this point, we all just want Serato to give us something so we know that they care about itch still and its users... I love the idea but is rather get the other updates first

The vfx-1 was made to compliment the vci300 and is still usable with some other itch controllers but isn't supported by Serato.in other words they will not help if you're having troubles to get the fx controller to work on a numark ns6 for example..a 1:1 MIDI controller to control all effects and all sp6 options that's compatible with all itch controllers would require participation from Serato and all hardware partners

Well I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what upset customers do? They move on to something else and tell as many people they can about their bad experience.

I understand that coding for multiple platforms takes time and so my frustrations haven't driven me to other software (e.g. TRACKTOR etc) - yet. I am prepared to wait a little longer – good people from Serato ITCH – for some nice and needed additions such as MIDI mapping (or a dedicated piece of hardware - I'll buy it???) for SP-6, better effects, and everything else that regularly comes up. In the mean time; I just want one thing. 2 DECK VIEW!!! I understand that the NS6 is a 4 DECK controller and it's nice to be able to use 4 decks, but for the most part I'm generally using 2. It really irks me that you can only view Effects, SP-6 or Recording one at a time when I see a whole 2 decks not being used taking up all that damn space! So, just a thought. It would allow for more screen real estate on my 13" MacBook to see more of the library and maybe effects and SP-6 at the same time. Also, I really don't get the secrecy around what your working on. Is it a competition thing??? At the very least you could assuage some of the grumbling that's been going on. Just tell us that your working on these things, and perhaps a bit of a tentative release date?? Surely that's not too much to ask for? For what it's worth, I've really enjoyed ITCH. It's a streamlined and good looking bit of kit and I love my NS6 (sexy and rugged), but you gotta give us more guys cause I'm getting a serious case of TRACKTOR envy. Even if it's just to say "Hang in there, it's coming", otherwise....? Well I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what upset customers do? They move on to something else and tell as many people they can about their bad experience.

Nobody understand that Serato always work in silence?

Also, not sure if I'm missing anything here but:

Pioneer DDJ-T1 - Traktor, 4 Decks, £750 in UK
Pioneer DDJ-S1 - Itch, 2 Decks, £900 in UK

I'd reckon Serato are making a little more per unit than the £7/$10 that Algoriddim are.

I'm totally disappointed right now!! I keep using 2.1 release because there's is the restarting song bug with 2.2 and my v7. I keep using my mac with snow leopard because under LION ITCH freezes when you disconnect the hardware before quitting. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Fx quality upgrade requests!!! Silence for 10 months. That's really frustrating!!!
I did too! I was thinking to sell my S1 and buy a T1 for traktor. I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!

you dont have to, NI made a converter

www.djtechtools.com

Nobody understand that Serato always work in silence?

you don't really know anything about the inner workings of this company

That's a stupid way to work when people are complaining on a massive scale about your product, especially when your target audience is as a vocal a community as the DJ community is. There's nothing innovative about Serato in the way Apple is innovative and there are many, many alternatives for DJ's.

They aren't some mysterious, wonderful, innovative company on which every digital DJ waits with baited breath for their next release. They're a company with a flawed business model releasing a mediocre product.

They have horrible comminucation skills and they've concentrated their efforts into a niche market (video dj'ing) over making Itch truly wonderful and the next "gotta have" piece of software by listening to their customers' complaints for the last ***two effing years***. That tells me they don't know how to sustain their momentum, have terrible management, and are grasping at straws for cash.

Really, Breakermixer, you should keep your mouth shut at this point.

I don't think that has worked for a looooooong ass time....well, at least not for me. Unfortunately, that little utility hasn't received any attention in about two years......it no longer works since Serato changed the database in 2.0

Check out this post ala' Native's forum:

www.native-instruments.com


Steer clear my friend!!!

The Guys at SERATO are really working hard to sort it out.....We may not see it but they are listening.

well shit thx for clearing that up..and here I thought I was going to have an easy transition to traktor

Do you work there? Are you an official person that works for their community?
If not do not spread assumptions in a official type of way its never a good thing.

I tried something and it work pretty well : i run ITCH and ableton at the same time, lauched a loop sample in SP6 with a grid at 128 bpm and a clip in ableton in the same bpm, then mached them with the SP6 pitch bend and put down the sample's volume fader and run an empty clip in ableton (to make all the next clip stay sync).
When i wan't to launch some clip in ableton, i hit sync : ITCH and Ableton are sync. (if you run a PC, you can't use the ITCH controler's sound card with ITCH and ableton on the same time, you have to use the PC sound card or an other one and plug it to the AUX input)

The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)

I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put it into our product back log.

Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)

Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future,

Also, what is up with ITCH not working with 3rd Gen PC i7 processor/Chip sets?

If you are having a specific problem with ITCH or your controller please make a separate help request here so we can try and assist you with your issues as best we can: serato.com

I tested it with a demo of traktor on a PC test box I use for such things, it worked perfectly. It wouldn't do the entire db on my Mac in one shot, but crate by crate was ok, except wihen subcrates existed, in which case subcrate by subcrate worked fine.

It did not port over the Group field either time, which I use as a second comments section. I researched that, and it seems that's a known issue. If you have a second computer to test on, I suggest trying that first as it seems it's inconsistent from user to user.

You will have to move your music if you test or the import fails. Copy it, don't just plug in your working collection as it strips out metadata from the music files (this did *not* damage my Itch db, however; all info was retained, but play it safe). You can use the output file created by your test in your actual install if you go that route.

Bottom line: it's a little bit of work, but not too bad. However, if you plan on using both softwares, I personally would update both manually unless you make new crates for new music. I don't think exporting an existing updated crate is the greatest way to do it, but that's just me. Traktor does take snapshots of your Playlists, so even if it does get screwed up, you can revert to the former version and figure out what went worng after.

I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put it into our product back log.

Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)

Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.

Yawn, just another boilerplate reply like all the others before...
did it really take more than 2 weeks to write it down?
you are not even trying to pretend to take itch users seriously anymore

The good news though, ITCH 2.2.2 is just around the corner, and will be in public beta pretty soon. I will make certain you will be able to test this version as soon as it is released.

Out of curiosity, it might be good to test ITCH 2.2.1, although this version is not supported for the VCI-300, if you are able to confirm that it installs, then I can be more confident that ITCH 2.2.2 will actually work for you.

Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)

Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.

Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.

The sun may be on the horizon but no amount of walking or waiting is ever going to be me there. :P

Vague and boilerplate it may be, but it's more appreciated than the relative silence we've had on the matter in the last handful of months.

the problem is that after all the radio silence for months, it makes no sense to keep repeating their usual statements over and over again... just makes it feel even shallower...
like some ppl here, i once was led to believe anything was about to change with statements like this, like many older users, i dont anymore...

It would be great if Serato would pull their finger out.

Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.

In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:

-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.

-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.

-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.

These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.

I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.

Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?

Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?

Hey Guys,

I know my comment may come across as a very standard response to some of you forum regulars, but I can truly not elaborate any more than that.

I would love to tell you what will be happening in the next release, but its always best that we keep details under wraps until we are closer to release time. If I were to tell you guys about something that might not make it into this version, I would be giving you false hope about a software change that might not make it till a later release.

For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.

ITCH will be in public beta very soon

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ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.

Thanks but now -honestly - Is there something "breathtaking" or something that really worth such waiting??
Why even it takes too long?

looks like its 2.2.2 so that will be a bug release version but i would also guess it will have the Serato Video update init aswel.

let's face it...Mountain Lion Betas were available back in February and here we are waiting on bug fixes

It's true that a recurring theme of mine is frustration over lack of updates. But that's also a recurring theme of this entire forum.

this is what i was pointing to...i have no doubt you will be a happy customer, also it was mention by a serato supporter that its "very soon" to be in public beta, also the VERY was highlighted so you know they are close, so just relax

As wonderful as it would be if Serato delivers a beta this week, I still have grave concerns about Itch's long term maintenance and future as a competitive platform. Something just doesn't sit right.

If you look in their Jobs section, there's three openings for coders and QA. Looks like they know they need more heads. Problem is:

"All applicants MUST be legally entitled to work in New Zealand (this means having NZ citizenship, permanent residency or a current work permit) and be willing to relocate to Auckland if necessary."

In a country of 4.4 million people, I'm guessing it's going to be very hard to fill these positions.

For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.

Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P

Peter Jackson better not be poaching Serato employees for some hare-brained project at Weta.

Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P

Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.

Come on guys, we have real developers here in New Zealand as well. Lets not let this get into a discussion about whose country has the best software engineers.

Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.

We are working on updates guys. I'm sorry that we can't tell you our full roadmap. As Martin has mentioned, I really wish we could. You haven't been forgotten and there are plans in place to deliver what you have been asking for, we just can't let you guys know exactly what they are at this stage.

There will be a public beta available for ITCH soon which has some new features and a good deal of maintenance, as well as support for a new video update. The reason I say soon is that I actually don't know exactly when this will be available. It's a call that is made by the team when they are confident it's ready. Public beta doesn't mean we put out unfinished software to test, by this stage we hope to have shippable product and use the beta as a final quality check. It isn't far away though at all now.

This project isn't being worked on by our entire team though either and development work is essentially done. It's just a small team looking after the beta areas now and fixing bugs, which is really only a couple of people. The rest of the company is working on other updates to our software and many of the things you guys have been asking for and that you will be happy with which I can't share with you at this stage.

I'm sorry this thread has been pretty quiet from our side. I'm happy to stay in here though and keep answering questions :)

Cheers,

Sam.

obviously can not find more ppl in New Zealand

We've always been pretty open I think. Part of the lack of communication in here is because there have been people movements in the parts of the company that spend the majority of their time on the forum. The support team has changed quite a bit, there are a bunch of new people who are awesome but don't necessarily feel as confident to jump in and discuss this stuff with you all straight away as you can probably imagine. That will change too, they know about it and are working to communicate with you guys a lot more.

As well as this, we obviously need to be careful about our competitors but also about managing customer expectations of what we say we will deliver. With software development, there are always hurdles you run into, things that come up and circumstances that can change. Because of these things we don't announce our timelines for releases as it's actually pretty ambiguous to us too.

For the Icon series, it's really about championing the artist and should be irrelevant what they use. It's about their story, what they do and why they do it and about creating inspiring stories rather than a sales pitch for a specific product. I know what you are saying though and we are always on the hunt to see who at the top are using controllers. If you have any suggestions of artists to consider please let me know :)

Sam.

this whole thread equals

Watchwww.youtube.com

The fact that two employees are addressing this this thread has given me faith enough to return my 4TRAK and purchase another NS6.

I call BS.......you never sold it to begin with.

I really dont like Traktor however Serato has a lot of catching up to do with features, especially where ITCH is concerned.
Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.

www.native-instruments.com

That Pioneer integration is a good example of a company looking ahead and nailing a power move.

For Serato to ante up they'll have to rise above the in-house competition thing.

Erm serato has has this with scratchlive for years!!! Advanced HID Mode on tel:400/900/2000 also the 350/850.

The problem with serato is there code to fix the issue would need a MASSIVE rewrite, and everything else would sit on the todo list. Well that's what i have read posted by serato staff.

I'm already back to SSL. Bought a 61 instead of a VCI-380.

The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.

Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.

wow i think ssl efx suck and so does itch, Well compared to Pioneers efxs anyway. infact i laffed that much at ssl fx i have not used them since nore do i use itch fx. As there that shocking.

I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.

I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.

That's what Serato should of done in the first place, however thanks for the response and I hope Serato is going to take a new outlook and address our problems and request.

Here's how i see it..

I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..

The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options

They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.

my 2cens

The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options

I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.

I understand in the development process there's always some weird glitch they find last minute, some idea they have that just turns out to be unworkable, etc. Some people don't get this and some people are simply impatient, which makes them loathe to tell us what's coming around the bend and when.

However, with the amount of hostility being generated against Itch at this point, I am asking Serato to give us a *tentative* release date on the beta, even if it's just, "we're hoping for three to five weeks, but please understand there is always the possibility of a delay." And please add, "we are trying to add 'xyz' features, but please understand that we may not be able to add all of these features because of problems we may encounter."

Even better, I think if they were to give us some kind of progress report as to what they're working on, what errors came up, why something isn't working or being delayed, it would really molify a lot of people. The time is now for a little transparency.

Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..

Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.

Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.

can you give us a roadmap for ITCH-development?

yeah? what's this then?

"This thread provides information about upcoming patches for Traktor. It will be updated whenever new information becomes available.

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The currently available software version is 2.5.1. Please make sure that your installation is up to date.
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Information on upcoming updates is currently unavailable"

KEY FEATURES:
Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration
Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior
Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode

ANALYSIS:
Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job

BROWSER / COLLECTION:
FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples

CONTROLLER MANAGER:
Modifier condition "Hotcue Type" fixed

EFFECTS:
FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob

KEYLOCK:
Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock

REMIX DECKS:
New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks

TIMECODE:
Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode

TRACK DECKS:
Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform

TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:
New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior

TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:
Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working

And that's .1 release!

Now i'm not a traktor fanboy.. I always loved serato's semplicty at the beginning, BUT now itch is falling MILES behind the competition! If at least they updated their softare more often, adding features, they could even charge a fee for a BIG release(3.0). Let's be honest they are taking their time because we don't pay for the updates! Like somebody pointed out they rushed the video plug in because they can get $$.. That simple! I bet improved FX and midi mapping were a FAR more requested features! Instead of enabling midi mapping they asked their partners to build a new controller.. So people(including me) had to buy a new controller just access those features! On top of that they are dodgy and vague when asked an update status/ new features.. No, i think you are right Bob! i'm bitter and i'm way out of line..

well whatever it is.. at least they'll tell you what to expect from the next release and they'll give you some sort of time frame too.

this changelog has been made public a couple weeks before the release. also there's always info about the stage of progress (development/beta testing/final testing). right now I would be happy to see something like this for itch, but I can't say that I wouldn't be pissed if some features won't make it or it'll take longer than promised.

Previous Itch betas have lasted about a month, right? 2.3/ 2.2.2 /2.2.1.0.0.1 isn't even at that point yet.

By the time it finally comes out, it's entirely possible that the only decks people will be using are Holo-decks.

..no wonder everyone in the future uses Traktor beams. I guess they cornered the market back in 2013.

Hi, everyone. We'd like to share that Scratch Live, ITCH and Serato Video maintenance releases are now in public beta. If you'd like to try them out, here are the links to their forum areas.

Scratch live + Serato Video: serato.com
ITCH + Serato Video: serato.com

ITCH 2.2.2.11 (changelist since 2.2.0)

ITCH Features

* Vestax VCI-380 support

* FLAC support

* Added a 2-deck Numark NS6 and Allen & Heath Xone DX layout mode.

Serato Video related features

* Dedicated Video View - Display video decks alongside the virtual audio decks.

* Serato Video Delay Compensation (activated in the video setup screen)

This will allow one to offset the master video feed from the audio when there are sync/latency issues.

* Auto transition FX (in the fader panel of the Serato Video widget)

Set this option if you want a different transition effect to be used ever time a new track is loaded. There are three options.
- Auto: Turns the auto transitions on/off.
- Random: Every transition is randomly selected, rather than selected sequentially from the transitions list.
- Next: Forces another transition to load button, a Random button, and a "next transition please" button.

Bug Fixes

GUI fixes

* Fixed bug where a large grey box outline would be visible when doing a drag and drop. This only affected certain OSX versions such as 10.6.7 32 bit.

* Fixed bug where the 'add cue point' buttons in the offline player weren't showing as enabled upon track load.

* Fixed bug where the 'view' button would incorrectly cycle through an easter egg view.

Library and Metadata fixes

* Improved iTunes XML importing.

This is to address the issue where iTunes library importing would fail when the library contained non utf-8 encoded strings. These formatting errors are an issue with iTunes, but this fix will now handle these string encoding errors and allow the entire library to be imported successfully.

* ID3 scanning by dragging a crate to the button now works.

* Fixed bug where ITCH could create a _ScratchLIVE_ folder on external drives.

* Fixed a crash when using Live Playlists.

* Track data that has non ascii characters such as ñ and ó will now be searchable using n and o respectively.

* Fixed a bug where .wav file tags couldn't be read or written to properly because of non-wide aligned chunks.

* Fixed the library keyboard scrolling issue causeed when the bpm is being edited and the user presses ctrl+up/down in order to scroll up/down the library.


Controller fixes

* Fixed the feedback loop bug with the Allen & Heath Xone DX.

* Fixed a Denon HC5000 bug where going Shift+Relay would not make the HC5000's display change, thus preventing the user from being able to see the time setting being adjusted. Note that pushing just the Relay button would show the display change.

* Fixed the Novation Twitch touch strip bug where the beat grid sometimes couldn't be adjusted when the 'adjust' button is pressed.

* Fixed bug where scrolling through the Novation Twitch master fx time values for the delay and echo effect would not do so incrementally.

* Fixed Swipe Mode + Play button bug with the Novation Twitch.

* Fixed a Novation Twitch bug whereby the 'Drop' button didn't turn off after needle-drop.

* Changed Slicer and Saved Loop lighting on the Novation Twitch.

* Fixed a linked V7 bug where using the right V7's velocity slider and cues may make the left V7's playhead jump to the beginning of the track.

Playback fixes

* Fixed bug where auto loops couldn't be saved in offline player.

* The number of cue points that can be scrolled through in the SP6 is now 8.

* Fixed Alt + Clicking Sample Slot bug so that it now stops the sample playing.

* Fixed Headroom issue.

* Fixed 'Braker' defaulting to 12 o'clock after install.

* Fixed bug where auto gain was not being applied.


Serato Video related bug fixes

* Added the missing False Color effect to the automatically generated effects_list.xml

** Note that if effects_list.xml already exists then you either have to delete the effects_list.xml and allow it to be recreated, or add
1. <effect ID="17825797" name="False Color" ></effect>





has to be added to the "Lighting" xml element.

* The Serato Video Image effect 'size' param is now saved and loaded to and from xml.

* Adjusted the auto cross fade speed so that the low-mid-high speeds are 10 secs-4.4 secs-super fast. Note: The middle position is a little faster than VSL 1.2.

* Fixed bug where auto cross fading from left to right would get stuck at the far left position (only when the autofader speed is set to slow).

but I can't say that I wouldn't be pissed if some features won't make it or it'll take longer than promised.

Nothing whatsoever on Effects....WTF!!!!!

As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.

Cheers,

Sam.

No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.

Cheers,

Sam.

Believe me Brian J, all that sort of thing will be happening as soon as the development teams are satisfied that we are delivering a high quality product containing all of that :)

so disappointed Its a slap in the face from Serato FX upgrade is the simplest thing to implement. I'd love to know why it hasn't been done maybe a good way to boycott serato would be to say the software I use is virtual DJ at all the events where people ask if its virtual DJ with a serato skin, this way I can save the future DJs from the deception of a company that announced the bridge and better fx years ago and still cant get it together!

And does "Vestax VCI-380 support" mean that bugs & glitches people have been reporting have been addressed?

This latest release is laughable @ best.......losing hope for ITCH with every passing day :(

Yeah, video for V7 is a bad joke.

Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.

Yeah, video for V7 is a bad joke.

Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.

Dj cerla in Serato kiss ass shock!!

Hardly. Check out my post history: overall, I'm obvioulsy an happy camper, but I've been very harsh with Serato several times (wav bug, keylock, up to instant start in 2008).

And what you can't read are my PMs to developers: trust me, more ass-kicking than ass-licking for sure ;)

"just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more.

ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more.

I'm already back to SSL. Bought a 61 instead of a VCI-380.

The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.

Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.

ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping.

FX are still the gigantic elephant in the room that will never be addressed.

Uh???? Serato has expressely stated it's on the to do list, together with improved keylock and MIDI.

Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?

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so disappointed Its a slap in the face from Serato FX upgrade is the simplest thing to implement. I'd love to know why it hasn't been done maybe a good way to boycott serato would be to say the software I use is virtual DJ at all the events where people ask if its virtual DJ with a serato skin, this way I can save the future DJs from the deception of a company that announced the bridge and better fx years ago and still cant get it together!

Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?

Uh? What's wrong with this release? They fixed a ton of bugs and added long standing features requests (2 decks wiew, FLAC support). And it feels very stable so far.

Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.

If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.

Agreed dude,
I've said before in this discussion that I have a little Traktor envy but that was more to do with certain features, not the whole platform. IMHO, ITCH is a far more streamlined, elegant and just all round nicer feeling. Sure there are some issues, but they are more to do with missing features. I can honestly say I have never had a crash with my NS6. So far 100% stable (haven't got the beta yet but I'm excited about 2 Deck view). I guess slow released features is the price we pay for stability. To those complaining, go ahead and try out Traktor. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys how you can acquire a 'free' copy. Go ahead, try it out. Then – if you still think ITCH sucks a fat one – you should go ahead and buy a legit copy and stop bitching and whining to the point that these SERATO dudes just want to give up.

You're right AMAD3U5, but remember most of the people here has an ITCH controller that can't be used with traktor (numark v7, ns7, pioneer ddj-s1).
Ok ITCH is a way too stable than traktor is and ok it has a lack on fx and keylock quality, but simply most of us can't try out competitor's softwares because of the controller we bought! We'd like to have those things 'cause we can't use other software without spending more money or change the hardware we use!

You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............

How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.

Dude, I totally would but I got a few gigs coming up real soon and I don't wanna risk a crash. What do people who have got it think so far??? Stable? Can you install the beta alongside ITCH 2.2?? Like when there was a NS6 ITCH and the normal ITCH?? Noob question maybe, but I've never actually followed a release like this and known about a beta before.

You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............

How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.

You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............

How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.

whatever with you guys talking wow stable on my shit PC

if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...

Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat

The fx sounds like an easy fix in theory,(just swap out the plug in for the SL one) but it isn't as simple as we may think..if Serato itch and SL have different names of variables, objects, classes(depending on what language itch is in), and different structures, it may be very time consuming..i don't know if this is really the case, but it is my 2 cents..don't discourage the Serato team..give them their time

if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...

Are you SERIOUSLY holding up Apple Pro software as a paragon of user-responsive development? Now I've really heard it all. GTFO.

Not sure how to post pics on the forum, but I'll try:

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Only one 2-deck view (horizontal)

Two deck option with ability to utilize any view would be nothing short of SWEET!!!

So if Itch is going through a snow leopard "few new features but lots of under-the-hood refinements" kind of phase? If so I do hope some of the refinements actually have a tangible benefit to the end user.

With regards the 2 deck mode, it was something that has been a long standing request but when it came time to implement, it often got bumped down the list as other things took priority.

The team that worked on this ITCH beta, and the Support team, took it on as a personal mission to make sure that there was at least ONE 2 deck view mode in this version of ITCH. We all made an effort to convince our product team that this was something you guys needed badly, so I hope you can appreciate that it happened.

We would definitely like to have all the other views displaying only 2 decks in all view modes in the future, but its good to get your guys feedback now on how you expect it to work before we do that. When it comes time to do that, we want to try and do it right :)

AMAD3U5 - The reason I was moaning is because this hasn't been implemented properly. Fortunately you just happen to prefer this particular layout. The fact is that this will be a hit & miss with different users. Ideally each user should be able to select his preferred layout. I guess I'll eventually get used to it though.

As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.

Cheers,

Sam.

Yeah, I totally understand dude. It's a shame there's only one view mode with a 2 Deck view option. My thoughts are that perhaps there could be a universal 2-4 Deck view switch. Then you could select 'universally' whether you want to use 2 or 4 Decks and then use the view button to cycle through all the standard views if that makes sense. I've mocked up what this could look like???



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I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.

I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.

Samuel S works in Artist Development, but drops in on the forum when he can!

Hey serato I am new to this forum and I own the Ns6 and the Itch Software. As you know the Ns6 don't have VUE meters for the four playing Decks. I notice that the Sample decks do have VUE Meters. how could that be? All the other major Software have VUE Meters. Please serato make us Deejays happy by adding VUE Meters in this update it cant be that hard. look if you do this we will love you even more.

I do agree, it would have been cool if the NS6 had individual meters on the unit.

"I have a dream....... That one day, Serato will riiiise up....... and implement midi mapping. Midi mapping for all creeds & races of Itch dj's........ To tear down the wall's of difference, that separate the scratch live from itch dj's. I dream that Serato will build us that bridge........ a bridge along with serious effects......... effects too strong for anyone to overlook it! I hold this dream tight & look forward to that day, when we can say.........Here at last, here at last...........Thank God Almighty!....It is here at last." - Woops, I got carried away - Lol!!

LOL

Yeah, that was a MAJOR oversight by them.....especially considering that they were pushing it as a standard 4 channel mixer, aside for ITCH!

Didn't the device that made it's initial debut have individual VU meters per channel?

We have some information about this...

It turns out that the giveaway line in your crash log is the following...


With the advent of Serato Video and the VCI-380, my understanding is that there is no longer OSX 10.5 support.

What that crash log is saying, is that it's trying to use [code] libraries on you computer that don't exist in OSX 10.5, but OSX 10.6 and above.

I'm really sorry about that.

Sad news

The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.

That's cant be true because I still get updates from apple for my mac. Anyways, I haven't updated yet because I don't have any major issues and didn't want to change anything about my gig computer. So I guess I'll hold out for 2.3 to see if it has what I want, then I'll decided to update or not.

I'm always a one for late adopting

Hmm, I was following it quite closely, and never saw a unit (NS6) with 4 VU meters.
Do you happen to have a pic of it?

I think if we start adding VUE meters to the screen, its gonna start making our platform look cheap :( and non pro-ish

What, like Scratch Live? I don't see many people saying that looks cheap. I'd say that Itch looks cheaper without them; VU meters are a professional tool.

NO! VU meters are very helpful.i fucking struggled when i had to use ns6 with no autogain. In sl you can quickly see if the volumes are far off.

I want a better Auto Gain coz the current one sounds like the songs are muffled.

We've had three Serato employees answer this thread. I think this thread can be put to bed, it's just redundant at this point. They're well aware of our feelings and of the features we want. I'm finally convinced they are working to give us what they want, it's just not as easy as we want.

Although the transparency of knowing what they're working on and when it will come out would be be a great relief to the masses, due to the continuing ill tempers of a few malcontents, they're not going tell us for fear of being blasted in the forums if they run into a delay and can't deliver on time. We'll see what we see when 2.3 comes out.

If you're threatening to switch to another software, go ahead and do it already. I did and I'm back on an NS6, even though I lost significant dollars to find out the grass wasn't greener. For those who find it is, you'd stay on the other side of the fence if it really suited you as well as you say and not be here complaining. But let's face it, if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.

if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.

** Irony Alert. **

How does implementing video take priority over giving users more screen for their tracks?

If you have an issue with Itch that makes your weekly gigs unpleasant, waiting 2 or 3 months would be torture. After 6 months you start making some noise. Almost a year later - well?

If customers have to get "up in arms" before a basic request gets any attention, you end up with "Professional Complainers".

I feel I do have the right to expect a fundamental feature-set with a certain level of performance. Don't you?

. I'm not too sure which wholly different market Itch is actually serving?

...because every NS6 user with a 13" laptop all feel the same about it. A Dj is only as good as the music he plays. Having proper access to that music is a fundamental part of making the correct selection.

The entire existence of Itch is based on the sale of the respective hardware, yet the sale of the hardware is dependent on the features & functionality of the software. Therefore it is only to be expected that it will be compared to other software available.

having used VDJ Pro and, even worse, Traktor, the library view in ITCH is huge when 4 decks are on screen.

I frankly, as previously mentioned, blame them for such as they bought a product with an air of false expectations.

This is what I see...
Traktor: img856.imageshack.us
Itch: img402.imageshack.us

We've all driven in many different cars right? Sometimes you open the window, other times not. If you buy a car & when driving away realize the windows don't open. Would that be classed as false expectation?

Let me switch between 2 or 4 decks without having to press a button 7 times!

Let me choose the views I want to scroll through in the settings.

Let me re-size that window, allow me to hide the stuff I never use.

This is what I see...
Traktor: img856.imageshack.us
Itch: img402.imageshack.us

Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.

Perhaps you should consult an optician.

also you can close the dj-fx tab and choose a view that just shows the waveform like that traktor view. So you would have loads more screen library space.

Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.

Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.

I know it's a beta but can anyone to get the super filters work? It seems to get stuck on "you might be on to something"

I'm kind of joking, and you know, each to their own, but if I walked into a gig and found a friend using a font that big, I would genuinely push them to seek medical attention.

I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)

They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?

Thankfully, no ;)

OT

Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)

/OT

Thankfully, no ;)

OT

Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)

/OT

I currently reside in the area which has been declared by insurance agencies to have the worst and second worst drivers in the entire country

A week or two here on South African roads will make you love driving in your country again.

I don't feel like iTch is a waste... I just feel like they took a wrong programming direction after version 1.5. It hasn't been dropout free since.

No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.

Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?

You do know that I was making a joke, right? Tell me you worked that out, please.

so now we got this "maintenance" release maybe next for 2.3 we can get the bridge?

The bridge is dead was a massive flop with ssl. It now dont even work as ableton has gone 64bit. And both companies are working on there own things both do not have time or resources to work on the bridge. Take a read in tge bridge forums area.

Why Serato don't make ITCH and all softwares in 64-bit architecture instead 32-bit only?

64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.

LOL!!!!!

Omg U guys are funny Lmao.The things u guys say I am really starting to think that serato really dont give a shit about U Itch Deejays Only the scratch live Deejays. Boy U got to love serato.

bye bye bridge!

I guess no 2.3 it will no be called serato DJ and we cant get until spring 2013 all they are adding is a better echo and ping pong, what a sucky move!

Load and customize your choice of high quality FX powered by iZotope including: Delay, Echo, Ping Pong Delay, Reverb, Phaser, Flanger, Distortion, HPF, LPF and a Combo HPF/LPF. Adjust and customize a range of parameters for each effect to shape your sound.

MIDI mapping opens the software up to be mapped to a secondary MIDI controller to take full advantage of all Serato DJs features in your performance and create your own unique workflow.

No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.

2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.

bye bye xone dx and denon HC5000 users!!!

Hey djemdub,

ITCH 2.2.2 is the last planned release of ITCH. Future features and any bug fixes for ITCH users will go into Serato DJ rather than ITCH. Serato DJ will be a free upgrade for ITCH customers :)

Sam.

where you been? they been discontinued for ages, and will still work with the software they was made for.

for ages? there are still people who rock out with these and have been able to use itch software they just wont be able to try out SERATO DJ in 6 months!

and people still rock vcrs but they dont work with new stuff lol

Re-mapping controller functions won't be available from the first release and will come later in a follow up release. From Serato DJ 1.0 you will be able to map the software controls to a secondary MIDI controller.

YOU WAS CORRECT LOL