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itch 2.3??
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itch 2.3??
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DJ TL
1:02 AM - 4 August, 2012
Just out of curiosity do they ever plan on doing another update to 2.3????It's been months now and nothing
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phatbob
1:41 AM - 4 August, 2012
No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
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toi
8:12 AM - 4 August, 2012
SSL just got updated and there's a contest running for the reloop DJintro controller, no news on itch though :/
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blackavenger
1:20 PM - 4 August, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
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DJ GaFFle
5:01 PM - 4 August, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
I don't feel like iTch is a waste... I just feel like they took a wrong programming direction after version 1.5. It hasn't been dropout free since.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
I don't feel like iTch is a waste... I just feel like they took a wrong programming direction after version 1.5. It hasn't been dropout free since.
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dj lashes
10:25 PM - 4 August, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
am not saying your wrong! but where did you get this info from? or are you joking this would be funny after team itch keep on say we are gonna fix it the next version lol
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
am not saying your wrong! but where did you get this info from? or are you joking this would be funny after team itch keep on say we are gonna fix it the next version lol
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dj lashes
1:03 AM - 5 August, 2012
I know was just going along with it to get DJ TL afraid.
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He's joking bro! :)I know was just going along with it to get DJ TL afraid.
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Dj_Nix
4:12 PM - 5 August, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
+17
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Markabre
8:41 PM - 5 August, 2012
It would be great if Serato would pull their finger out.
Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
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breakermixer
9:31 PM - 5 August, 2012
The Serato Gods are always working. I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games.
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Markabre
10:30 PM - 5 August, 2012
To be honest I wouldn't be completely surprised if the internal codename for the next release is a Diablo III reference.
That or Duke Nukem Forever or Half Life 2 Episode 3
That or Duke Nukem Forever or Half Life 2 Episode 3
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breakermixer
10:53 PM - 5 August, 2012
LOL.
Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.
Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.
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dj lashes
11:46 PM - 5 August, 2012
i think they are working on a real solid 2.3 to get us all to stop crying lol
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djemdub
6:03 AM - 6 August, 2012
That's what my optimistic side is telling me..
My pessimistic side is saying, Serato will drop an update in about a month or so that's only going to be 2.2.2 and only fix bugs for the vci-380& leave all other users in the same situation they're in now.
I sure hope my optimism is right lol
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i think they are working on a real solid 2.3 to get us all to stop crying lolThat's what my optimistic side is telling me..
My pessimistic side is saying, Serato will drop an update in about a month or so that's only going to be 2.2.2 and only fix bugs for the vci-380& leave all other users in the same situation they're in now.
I sure hope my optimism is right lol
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DJ-Sven
6:36 AM - 6 August, 2012
What have you paid for ITCH? What have you paid for the last updates? So why are you so angry?
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Kingsidney
6:56 AM - 6 August, 2012
Yes, itch is licenced to the controller you bought so you have paid for it. Bug fixes shouldn't have to be paid for.
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What have you paid for ITCH? What have you paid for the last updates? So why are you so angry?Yes, itch is licenced to the controller you bought so you have paid for it. Bug fixes shouldn't have to be paid for.
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Markabre
7:39 AM - 6 August, 2012
Yes, itch is licenced to the controller you bought so you have paid for it. Bug fixes shouldn't have to be paid for.
Exactly, I've bought a VCI-300 + VFX-1 ($1000+) Serato Video ($150) and recently a VCI-380 ($1000)
So yeah, I don't think expecting support at least equalling the level of a $10 piece of software is asking all that much. I think Serato have made more than a handful of dollars from me.
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What have you paid for ITCH? What have you paid for the last updates? So why are you so angry?Yes, itch is licenced to the controller you bought so you have paid for it. Bug fixes shouldn't have to be paid for.
Exactly, I've bought a VCI-300 + VFX-1 ($1000+) Serato Video ($150) and recently a VCI-380 ($1000)
So yeah, I don't think expecting support at least equalling the level of a $10 piece of software is asking all that much. I think Serato have made more than a handful of dollars from me.
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DJ-Sven
8:12 AM - 6 August, 2012
I think, you've bought a Midi-Controller an get one of the best DJ-Software in the Market for free. Have a look at Numark: The NS6 and the 4trak a nearly the same for the same price, but when you buy the 4trak you never can use ITCH, otherwise when you buy the NS6 you are free to use any other software.
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Maskrider
9:03 AM - 6 August, 2012
lol.......
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i think they are working on a real solid 2.3 to get us all to stop crying lollol.......
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Markabre
9:06 AM - 6 August, 2012
Free? Oh of course, now I understand, Serato are a not-for-profit charity for digital DJs and expecting bug fixes let alone additional features is like looking a gift horse in the mouth and ungrateful.
If I bought an expensive Mac for critical work stuff and it had intrusive software issues that should have never got past quality control in the first place I wouldn't expect any kind of fix, even months later. After all, the operating system was free so that'd just be greedy and when you buy a mac you are free to use any other operating system like Windows (more $) or Linux. That'd be totally acceptable.
In this day and age both hardware and software are "The Product"
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I think, you've bought a Midi-Controller an get one of the best DJ-Software in the Market for free. Have a look at Numark: The NS6 and the 4trak a nearly the same for the same price, but when you buy the 4trak you never can use ITCH, otherwise when you buy the NS6 you are free to use any other software.Free? Oh of course, now I understand, Serato are a not-for-profit charity for digital DJs and expecting bug fixes let alone additional features is like looking a gift horse in the mouth and ungrateful.
If I bought an expensive Mac for critical work stuff and it had intrusive software issues that should have never got past quality control in the first place I wouldn't expect any kind of fix, even months later. After all, the operating system was free so that'd just be greedy and when you buy a mac you are free to use any other operating system like Windows (more $) or Linux. That'd be totally acceptable.
In this day and age both hardware and software are "The Product"
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Markabre
9:17 AM - 6 August, 2012
Also, not sure if I'm missing anything here but:
Pioneer DDJ-T1 - Traktor, 4 Decks, £750 in UK
Pioneer DDJ-S1 - Itch, 2 Decks, £900 in UK
I'd reckon Serato are making a little more per unit than the £7/$10 that Algoriddim are.
Pioneer DDJ-T1 - Traktor, 4 Decks, £750 in UK
Pioneer DDJ-S1 - Itch, 2 Decks, £900 in UK
I'd reckon Serato are making a little more per unit than the £7/$10 that Algoriddim are.
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Markabre
9:24 AM - 6 August, 2012
Not to mention that Apple get 30% of everything that Algoriddim sell through the various app stores so actually make that about £5 or $7
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blackavenger
12:47 PM - 6 August, 2012
Really?
Ha!!
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Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.Really?
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Free? Oh of course, now I understand, Serato are a not-for-profit charity for digital DJs and expecting bug fixes let alone additional features is like looking a gift horse in the mouth and ungrateful.Ha!!
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breakermixer
2:15 PM - 6 August, 2012
Really?
Yes.
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Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.Really?
Yes.
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Markabre
2:32 PM - 6 August, 2012
Really?
Yes.
I'm just imagining all those months/years old feature request posts then? I swear I've seen Midi Mapping and Bridge requests....oh once or twice.. maybe.
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Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.Really?
Yes.
I'm just imagining all those months/years old feature request posts then? I swear I've seen Midi Mapping and Bridge requests....oh once or twice.. maybe.
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Zerofaith
5:03 PM - 6 August, 2012
I wish effects would be updated to something that is working and maybe some fresh new ones.
Switch between 2 and 4 decks.
I really like traktors latest release, even tho i have a numark NS6 that works alot better on itch.
Switch between 2 and 4 decks.
I really like traktors latest release, even tho i have a numark NS6 that works alot better on itch.
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Markabre
7:29 PM - 6 August, 2012
Yeah I've heard that request more than once too! It's been bare bones for too long and the fact they are sitting on the FX they already have in SSL is frustrating.
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LEDPaint
7:59 PM - 6 August, 2012
Really?
Yes.
Um, no they don't. Truly, they don't. People have been very actively complaining about Itch's atrocious effects since it's release. I mean, you could technically say "yes" if it happens three years from now. I don't get why Serato isn't listenening in regards to a very serious drawback with Itch. I see you cheerleading a lot on this thread. Do you work for the company? Can you answer why it is they don't address this?
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Sometimes they take awhile, but always give us what we want.Really?
Yes.
Um, no they don't. Truly, they don't. People have been very actively complaining about Itch's atrocious effects since it's release. I mean, you could technically say "yes" if it happens three years from now. I don't get why Serato isn't listenening in regards to a very serious drawback with Itch. I see you cheerleading a lot on this thread. Do you work for the company? Can you answer why it is they don't address this?
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Bozo
11:42 PM - 7 August, 2012
First i wan't to apologies for my english, this is not my first langage and the few i learn is by playing vidéo games and looking at por... ahem i mean at school.
Itch Reverb is realy hard to use in djing condition because it sound metalic on saturated sond (electro ect...), on Traktor there is a sort of filtre with the reverb to make it more easy to use (and more versatil).
It will be great if serato add a key changer FX (this won't be a problème to add it, the master tempo use the same système), and even more if there add a new "plugin" with some new "gadget fx" (wich can be disabled for the dj who don't wan't to get in trouble when there are looking for there classic FX)
There is also a probleme with the SP-6 player, i meen there are 6 sample and 4 bank : 24 sample, with 8 hot cue and 9 boucle, gain and volume fader, pitch bend and pitch fader, master tempo, outpout assignasion, 3 play mode assignation per sample and... only the mouse to control all those stuff this is realy frustrating (there is not even keyboard shortcut for MITCH)? (seriously, am y the only one who would be ready to pay for a partial or fullhardware control of the SP-6 ?)
Itch Reverb is realy hard to use in djing condition because it sound metalic on saturated sond (electro ect...), on Traktor there is a sort of filtre with the reverb to make it more easy to use (and more versatil).
It will be great if serato add a key changer FX (this won't be a problème to add it, the master tempo use the same système), and even more if there add a new "plugin" with some new "gadget fx" (wich can be disabled for the dj who don't wan't to get in trouble when there are looking for there classic FX)
There is also a probleme with the SP-6 player, i meen there are 6 sample and 4 bank : 24 sample, with 8 hot cue and 9 boucle, gain and volume fader, pitch bend and pitch fader, master tempo, outpout assignasion, 3 play mode assignation per sample and... only the mouse to control all those stuff this is realy frustrating (there is not even keyboard shortcut for MITCH)? (seriously, am y the only one who would be ready to pay for a partial or fullhardware control of the SP-6 ?)
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Mizurah
4:35 AM - 8 August, 2012
No Bozo your not. Ive had it up with Serato after over a year and a half of not seeing critical updates like midi-mapping OR HARDWARE CONTROLLER RELEASE (Itch fanboys take note) for the SP-6. As it stands, its a sampler you have to set up with a mouse and prepare before your set.
Midi control please!!! A second place would be allowing the DDJ-S1 to use a SSL timecode for a 3rd deck :D
Midi control please!!! A second place would be allowing the DDJ-S1 to use a SSL timecode for a 3rd deck :D
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phatbob
6:39 AM - 8 August, 2012
Technically, that isn't gonna happen. Perhaps with other controllers it would be theoretically possible, but the S1 doesn't have a phono input.
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Big Pops
7:02 AM - 8 August, 2012
It's been a constant battle. I been using Itch since inception, yes we had some major improvements,however it seems Serato not listening to the cry of users. For 2 years now there been complains about the effects. What the did implement video instead of improve on what they had and make the software more stable.
I honestly hope that 2.3 would have some major updates
I honestly hope that 2.3 would have some major updates
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seratosnatch
7:12 AM - 8 August, 2012
Thing that gets me a bit pissed off is I know Serato can get the fx right as they are quite good now in SSL, unless Rane made them. The filters rock in SSL, even better IMOP than Traktors. The echo freeze is dope, reverbs are warm..They are quite , let's say "Pro"..
In Itch they are almost unusable . C'mon Serato get Itch up to date..FX are a major priority for dj's of today... maybe the main things dj's talk about with modern day dj'ing.
In Itch they are almost unusable . C'mon Serato get Itch up to date..FX are a major priority for dj's of today... maybe the main things dj's talk about with modern day dj'ing.
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Ice Pilot
10:38 AM - 8 August, 2012
^^^
+10000
When iPhone apps costing less than $10 come with better FX than "high end integrated hardware/software packages" costing about $1000 it's time to take a good long look at your approach...
The glacial pace of Itch updates is pretty frickin unique in this sector too. Mac 10.8 has been available to developers since the start of the year.
+10000
When iPhone apps costing less than $10 come with better FX than "high end integrated hardware/software packages" costing about $1000 it's time to take a good long look at your approach...
The glacial pace of Itch updates is pretty frickin unique in this sector too. Mac 10.8 has been available to developers since the start of the year.
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LEDPaint
11:54 AM - 8 August, 2012
I've been waiting for improvements in Itch's effects for years. I've queried the company, I've posted on the forums, and I see the most complained about feature is the effetcs, though to ask Cerla, he says more people asked for video, so that's why that came out instead of better effects. Yeah, I know maybe four vj's out of the literally hundred DJ's I work with constantly and none of them use Itch, they use Resolume or some similar program. Serato NEVER anwers this glaring shortcoming, even though better effects is the most requested feature each time they ask us what we want.
I see a 4Trak with Traktor in my immediate future.
I see a 4Trak with Traktor in my immediate future.
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Markabre
12:23 PM - 8 August, 2012
+10000
When iPhone apps costing less than $10 come with better FX than "high end integrated hardware/software packages" costing about $1000 it's time to take a good long look at your approach...
The glacial pace of Itch updates is pretty frickin unique in this sector too. Mac 10.8 has been available to developers since the start of the year.
Exactly.
The radio silence is frustrating because Traktor have already shown their hand for this cycle.
Apple love their secrets more than anyone but they also understand that if you're building a competitive platform you have to let your users know where it's going in the near future. Those keynotes are more for consumers than developers these days.
Implementation of the video features were pretty half-assed and there was nothing innovative or elegant about it. I was amazed that there was no video controller (or at least midi mapping) for a platform that's USP is tight hardware integration.
If Serato don't make a significant investment in Itch then neither will the DJ community.
It's not a case of good, better, best with Intro, Itch and SSL. I simply cannot fit SSL into the way I work even if I wanted to. Serato seem content with making Itch just "good enough". I do wish there was more competition to make them pull their finger out.
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^^^+10000
When iPhone apps costing less than $10 come with better FX than "high end integrated hardware/software packages" costing about $1000 it's time to take a good long look at your approach...
The glacial pace of Itch updates is pretty frickin unique in this sector too. Mac 10.8 has been available to developers since the start of the year.
Exactly.
The radio silence is frustrating because Traktor have already shown their hand for this cycle.
Apple love their secrets more than anyone but they also understand that if you're building a competitive platform you have to let your users know where it's going in the near future. Those keynotes are more for consumers than developers these days.
Implementation of the video features were pretty half-assed and there was nothing innovative or elegant about it. I was amazed that there was no video controller (or at least midi mapping) for a platform that's USP is tight hardware integration.
If Serato don't make a significant investment in Itch then neither will the DJ community.
It's not a case of good, better, best with Intro, Itch and SSL. I simply cannot fit SSL into the way I work even if I wanted to. Serato seem content with making Itch just "good enough". I do wish there was more competition to make them pull their finger out.
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Big Pops
4:08 PM - 8 August, 2012
Just take a look at IOS app CrossDJ and DJAY by allgoriddim, they have better FX than Itch
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DJ CAPRO
7:35 PM - 8 August, 2012
I think there's a decent chance I'll be hopping over to MIXXX once they iron out their VCI-300 mapping and add effects... Serato is sleeping way too hard on this.
www.mixxx.org
www.mixxx.org
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acemc
2:13 AM - 9 August, 2012
"more people asked for video, so that's why that came out instead of better effects"
Thats a load of BS!! The reason is coz they SELL the video plugin and make more money. How much are they gonna make by giving us better effects? How much more are they gonna make by sorting out bugs & giving 4-deck controllers a simple 2 deck view? They already have our money, hence why we wait years. "I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games." - LOL, it sure seems that way - care to tell us what you think they have been doing?
Thats a load of BS!! The reason is coz they SELL the video plugin and make more money. How much are they gonna make by giving us better effects? How much more are they gonna make by sorting out bugs & giving 4-deck controllers a simple 2 deck view? They already have our money, hence why we wait years. "I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games." - LOL, it sure seems that way - care to tell us what you think they have been doing?
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Jam-Master Jake
4:11 AM - 9 August, 2012
Screw Itch 2.3, I'm waiting for 2.5 or 3.0!!!
I too could rant and rave about a bunch of things that irk me about Itch but I'm not going to. All I can say is that I look forward to the next release of Itch and hope it comes in the near future. I'm all for improved/increased numbers of FX and a hardware controller for the SP-6 sampler. I don't see The Bridge for Itch coming any time soon...Serato themselves have pretty much told us the same thing. MIDI Mapping capabilities? Sounds awesome!
I think many issues would be solved if Serato simply killed Itch and merged it in with Scratch Live. No more 2 product lines, you have ONE software product that works with external analog gear and Rane equipment, or via Digital DJ Controllers. Bam, problem solved!
I too could rant and rave about a bunch of things that irk me about Itch but I'm not going to. All I can say is that I look forward to the next release of Itch and hope it comes in the near future. I'm all for improved/increased numbers of FX and a hardware controller for the SP-6 sampler. I don't see The Bridge for Itch coming any time soon...Serato themselves have pretty much told us the same thing. MIDI Mapping capabilities? Sounds awesome!
I think many issues would be solved if Serato simply killed Itch and merged it in with Scratch Live. No more 2 product lines, you have ONE software product that works with external analog gear and Rane equipment, or via Digital DJ Controllers. Bam, problem solved!
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LEDPaint
1:29 PM - 9 August, 2012
Thats a load of BS!! The reason is coz they SELL the video plugin and make more money. How much are they gonna make by giving us better effects? How much more are they gonna make by sorting out bugs & giving 4-deck controllers a simple 2 deck view? They already have our money, hence why we wait years. "I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games." - LOL, it sure seems that way - care to tell us what you think they have been doing?
Seems likely enough. I don't get why it's so hard for them to address the effects, but apparently it is. I thought they'd be simpe plugins they could change, but I guess that isn't the case or they just don't give a crap. I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this. My NS6 is up for sale on CL. Bye bye, Serato, hello Traktor 4Trak.
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"more people asked for video, so that's why that came out instead of better effects"Thats a load of BS!! The reason is coz they SELL the video plugin and make more money. How much are they gonna make by giving us better effects? How much more are they gonna make by sorting out bugs & giving 4-deck controllers a simple 2 deck view? They already have our money, hence why we wait years. "I can´t imagine that they are in the office drinking beer and playing video games." - LOL, it sure seems that way - care to tell us what you think they have been doing?
Seems likely enough. I don't get why it's so hard for them to address the effects, but apparently it is. I thought they'd be simpe plugins they could change, but I guess that isn't the case or they just don't give a crap. I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this. My NS6 is up for sale on CL. Bye bye, Serato, hello Traktor 4Trak.
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Tapir
1:38 PM - 9 August, 2012
@DJ CAPRO: Just 3 days ago I started to create a mapping of the VCI-300 to MIXXX. During my spare time and without any JavaScript background ;)
Volume faders, potentiometers, most buttons and the high-res pitch faders (9 bit = 512 steps) are already mapped. My mapping currently includes 6 hotcues instead of the 3 hotcues + 3 manual loops found in ITCH. But the autoloop feature will be available, of course. The next big task will be to map the jog wheels that seem to deliver approx.1664 steps per revolution in a cyclic 14-bit value.
I'm disappointed by Serato, their slow progress and various serious bugs in the previous releases. Another reason for my ambitions is that Linux has become my main OS long ago. Since none of the 2 big players are planning any Linux support, I need to move on...
Volume faders, potentiometers, most buttons and the high-res pitch faders (9 bit = 512 steps) are already mapped. My mapping currently includes 6 hotcues instead of the 3 hotcues + 3 manual loops found in ITCH. But the autoloop feature will be available, of course. The next big task will be to map the jog wheels that seem to deliver approx.1664 steps per revolution in a cyclic 14-bit value.
I'm disappointed by Serato, their slow progress and various serious bugs in the previous releases. Another reason for my ambitions is that Linux has become my main OS long ago. Since none of the 2 big players are planning any Linux support, I need to move on...
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Markabre
1:59 PM - 9 August, 2012
Pretty much everything but the high and low pass filters are useless on the VCI-380, a flagship Itch controller with a distinct focus on putting FX in your work flow. It's seriously held back by the software.
Itch can't even be user friendly enough to remember your last used FX settings, for four different FX units that's a pain in the ass every single time.
I've had to make up for Itch's weaknesses with a Kaoss Pad Quad and soon a Pioneer RMX1000 but I should really have to. Itch is meant to be all about 1:1 fully integrated setups.
The frustration really hits you when you pick up a $10 app that most would consider a toy and it blows Itch away in terms of FX, innovation and modern feel.
Do Serato take any pride in their damn platform? This forum increasingly feels like "Itch Anonymous".
Hello, my name is Mark and I've been using Itch for a few years now. It started off casually, y'know, a few parties here and there and then things got serious real fast. Next thing I know I'm parting with huge amounts of cash to get my hands on some quality gear, money I should have been spending on food and rent. Now everything has fallen into decay and disrepair and, laying at bed at night, i keep getting the nagging feeling I should have bought a tractor instead.
Itch can't even be user friendly enough to remember your last used FX settings, for four different FX units that's a pain in the ass every single time.
I've had to make up for Itch's weaknesses with a Kaoss Pad Quad and soon a Pioneer RMX1000 but I should really have to. Itch is meant to be all about 1:1 fully integrated setups.
The frustration really hits you when you pick up a $10 app that most would consider a toy and it blows Itch away in terms of FX, innovation and modern feel.
Do Serato take any pride in their damn platform? This forum increasingly feels like "Itch Anonymous".
Hello, my name is Mark and I've been using Itch for a few years now. It started off casually, y'know, a few parties here and there and then things got serious real fast. Next thing I know I'm parting with huge amounts of cash to get my hands on some quality gear, money I should have been spending on food and rent. Now everything has fallen into decay and disrepair and, laying at bed at night, i keep getting the nagging feeling I should have bought a tractor instead.
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DJ CAPRO
2:13 PM - 9 August, 2012
Volume faders, potentiometers, most buttons and the high-res pitch faders (9 bit = 512 steps) are already mapped. My mapping currently includes 6 hotcues instead of the 3 hotcues + 3 manual loops found in ITCH. But the autoloop feature will be available, of course. The next big task will be to map the jog wheels that seem to deliver approx.1664 steps per revolution in a cyclic 14-bit value.
I'm disappointed by Serato, their slow progress and various serious bugs in the previous releases. Another reason for my ambitions is that Linux has become my main OS long ago. Since none of the 2 big players are planning any Linux support, I need to move on...
Sounds great Tapir. Looking forward to your progress on the jogwheels - that seems to be the most difficult area based on user posts in the MIXXX forum.
I agree with you in being disappointed. There's nothing I want more than to just be content and satisfied with Itch like I am with Scratch Live but that probably won't happen. SSL is by no means perfect but at least all the basics are nailed and any issues get resolved quickly.
Making the move to MIXXX isn't going to be fun but they seem a lot more serious about their software. I imagine most Itch meetings are about keeping tabs on the sales potential of the Serato branding...
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@DJ CAPRO: Just 3 days ago I started to create a mapping of the VCI-300 to MIXXX. During my spare time and without any JavaScript background ;)Volume faders, potentiometers, most buttons and the high-res pitch faders (9 bit = 512 steps) are already mapped. My mapping currently includes 6 hotcues instead of the 3 hotcues + 3 manual loops found in ITCH. But the autoloop feature will be available, of course. The next big task will be to map the jog wheels that seem to deliver approx.1664 steps per revolution in a cyclic 14-bit value.
I'm disappointed by Serato, their slow progress and various serious bugs in the previous releases. Another reason for my ambitions is that Linux has become my main OS long ago. Since none of the 2 big players are planning any Linux support, I need to move on...
Sounds great Tapir. Looking forward to your progress on the jogwheels - that seems to be the most difficult area based on user posts in the MIXXX forum.
I agree with you in being disappointed. There's nothing I want more than to just be content and satisfied with Itch like I am with Scratch Live but that probably won't happen. SSL is by no means perfect but at least all the basics are nailed and any issues get resolved quickly.
Making the move to MIXXX isn't going to be fun but they seem a lot more serious about their software. I imagine most Itch meetings are about keeping tabs on the sales potential of the Serato branding...
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DJ CAPRO
2:19 PM - 9 August, 2012
Truth
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The frustration really hits you when you pick up a $10 app that most would consider a toy and it blows Itch away in terms of FX, innovation and modern feel.Truth
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Ice Pilot
6:35 PM - 13 August, 2012
So Serato now reckon they are:
"DESIGN JUNKIES AND DECK JOCKEYS
CODERS CREATING SONIC BOOMS
AUDIOPHILES DISRUPTING TUNES
BINARY CODE FOR MIXING HITS"
Not only that, but:
"WE MAKE ROLLS‑ROYCE TYPE S##T
SO YOU CAN BEND IT, CUT IT, SHAPE IT
LOOP IT, LAYER AND REARRANGE IT
TWEAK IT, SMASH IT, BLEND IT
SCRATCH IT, F##K WITH IT"
Rolls-Royce? Itch is more like Kia at the moment, pretty basic, fairly reliable, but completely unexciting.
"Your code's so out-of-date
My iPhone got mo real estate
What you got to appreciate
Is that to this party, yo far too late"
Would perhaps be closer to the truth.
So spare us the lame rhymes, the frickin "Icons" etc.
Focus on the AUDIO, fools,
F to the X
"DESIGN JUNKIES AND DECK JOCKEYS
CODERS CREATING SONIC BOOMS
AUDIOPHILES DISRUPTING TUNES
BINARY CODE FOR MIXING HITS"
Not only that, but:
"WE MAKE ROLLS‑ROYCE TYPE S##T
SO YOU CAN BEND IT, CUT IT, SHAPE IT
LOOP IT, LAYER AND REARRANGE IT
TWEAK IT, SMASH IT, BLEND IT
SCRATCH IT, F##K WITH IT"
Rolls-Royce? Itch is more like Kia at the moment, pretty basic, fairly reliable, but completely unexciting.
"Your code's so out-of-date
My iPhone got mo real estate
What you got to appreciate
Is that to this party, yo far too late"
Would perhaps be closer to the truth.
So spare us the lame rhymes, the frickin "Icons" etc.
Focus on the AUDIO, fools,
F to the X
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dj lashes
8:02 PM - 13 August, 2012
"DESIGN JUNKIES AND DECK JOCKEYS
CODERS CREATING SONIC BOOMS
AUDIOPHILES DISRUPTING TUNES
BINARY CODE FOR MIXING HITS"
Not only that, but:
"WE MAKE ROLLS‑ROYCE TYPE S##T
SO YOU CAN BEND IT, CUT IT, SHAPE IT
LOOP IT, LAYER AND REARRANGE IT
TWEAK IT, SMASH IT, BLEND IT
SCRATCH IT, F##K WITH IT"
Rolls-Royce? Itch is more like Kia at the moment, pretty basic, fairly reliable, but completely unexciting.
"Your code's so out-of-date
My iPhone got mo real estate
What you got to appreciate
Is that to this party, yo far too late"
Would perhaps be closer to the truth.
So spare us the lame rhymes, the frickin "Icons" etc.
Focus on the AUDIO, fools,
F to the X
lol
Quote:
So Serato now reckon they are:"DESIGN JUNKIES AND DECK JOCKEYS
CODERS CREATING SONIC BOOMS
AUDIOPHILES DISRUPTING TUNES
BINARY CODE FOR MIXING HITS"
Not only that, but:
"WE MAKE ROLLS‑ROYCE TYPE S##T
SO YOU CAN BEND IT, CUT IT, SHAPE IT
LOOP IT, LAYER AND REARRANGE IT
TWEAK IT, SMASH IT, BLEND IT
SCRATCH IT, F##K WITH IT"
Rolls-Royce? Itch is more like Kia at the moment, pretty basic, fairly reliable, but completely unexciting.
"Your code's so out-of-date
My iPhone got mo real estate
What you got to appreciate
Is that to this party, yo far too late"
Would perhaps be closer to the truth.
So spare us the lame rhymes, the frickin "Icons" etc.
Focus on the AUDIO, fools,
F to the X
lol
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Markabre
9:35 PM - 13 August, 2012
I agree.
Itch was founded on a good strong basic concept. Progress, however, has been mind bogglingly slow and years later it still feels quite a bare bones affairs. Not a sophisticated, considered, Apple-like kind of simplicity, just bare bones.
It's been slow compared to the old world of development but positively standing still in the modern age of fast moving platforms like iOS and Mac App Store.
Serato should merge SSL and Itch, remove itch's arbitrary artificial limitations and focus their attention and resources on bringing it ahead of the curve. It sorely needs some innovation yet is hasn't finished fleshing out the basics.
When you are being out innovated by $10 Mac/iOS products then that kind of chest beating "Rolls Royce" talk just looks stupid. A lot of resources have been focused on the new website and icon marketing - I'd rather they pull their thumb out so they actually have something to shout about.
If it's Rolls Royce shit you're aiming for, be the Apple of the DJ world... not the Blackberry. Left behind.
Itch was founded on a good strong basic concept. Progress, however, has been mind bogglingly slow and years later it still feels quite a bare bones affairs. Not a sophisticated, considered, Apple-like kind of simplicity, just bare bones.
It's been slow compared to the old world of development but positively standing still in the modern age of fast moving platforms like iOS and Mac App Store.
Serato should merge SSL and Itch, remove itch's arbitrary artificial limitations and focus their attention and resources on bringing it ahead of the curve. It sorely needs some innovation yet is hasn't finished fleshing out the basics.
When you are being out innovated by $10 Mac/iOS products then that kind of chest beating "Rolls Royce" talk just looks stupid. A lot of resources have been focused on the new website and icon marketing - I'd rather they pull their thumb out so they actually have something to shout about.
If it's Rolls Royce shit you're aiming for, be the Apple of the DJ world... not the Blackberry. Left behind.
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willlll
12:06 AM - 14 August, 2012
The most important feature itch is missing is the ability to use your own external audio interface. I have e-mu 0404 and would much prefer this over the twitch sound card.
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phatbob
12:48 AM - 14 August, 2012
I would not disagree with you guys about wanting to see Itch progress a bit faster.
However, to keep bringing up DJay as a comparison is a bit of a straw man argument.
I guarantee you, if Itch was OSX only, we'd be seeing improvements to Itch at the same rate as DJay.
Developing for OSX alone means very little variety in hardware, OS, and drivers. Audio handling is far more straightforward on Mac.
As soon as you add Windows to the mix you are adding COUNTLESS combinations of hardware, OS releases and updates, bios, and drivers.
To retain compatibility for all that shit means that, naturally, development of new features takes a lot longer.
This is not just a theory. Take a look at the pace of change with Serato Video and MixEmergency. Inklen know that their core compatibility as a Mac only program is nailed. They can add new features very quickly. Serato, on the other hand, cannot, as they also have to try and make SV work on myriad windows machines. And even when they do impose restrictions (no Intel integrated graphics) for the sake of performance, the support forums are full of people with cheap consumer laptops complaining about it.
The iOS version of DJay has even less configurations to worry about. 3 phone and 2 iPad models? That's a lot of development headaches straight out of the window.
How about EVERYONE using Itch goes out and buys a mac. Then we might get moving.
However, to keep bringing up DJay as a comparison is a bit of a straw man argument.
I guarantee you, if Itch was OSX only, we'd be seeing improvements to Itch at the same rate as DJay.
Developing for OSX alone means very little variety in hardware, OS, and drivers. Audio handling is far more straightforward on Mac.
As soon as you add Windows to the mix you are adding COUNTLESS combinations of hardware, OS releases and updates, bios, and drivers.
To retain compatibility for all that shit means that, naturally, development of new features takes a lot longer.
This is not just a theory. Take a look at the pace of change with Serato Video and MixEmergency. Inklen know that their core compatibility as a Mac only program is nailed. They can add new features very quickly. Serato, on the other hand, cannot, as they also have to try and make SV work on myriad windows machines. And even when they do impose restrictions (no Intel integrated graphics) for the sake of performance, the support forums are full of people with cheap consumer laptops complaining about it.
The iOS version of DJay has even less configurations to worry about. 3 phone and 2 iPad models? That's a lot of development headaches straight out of the window.
How about EVERYONE using Itch goes out and buys a mac. Then we might get moving.
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Markabre
2:26 AM - 14 August, 2012
Yeah, you make some good points.
Although I would say Traktor, however, runs on Windows, Mac and even more crazy varied configs!
At least Itch narrows down the controllers and therefore sound cards. I know traktor's development has hardly been running on rocket fuel either but I can't help but feel that it's significantly more feature rich than Itch and surely that level of complexity takes a great deal of maintenance.
I would really like it if itch felt a bit more native and mac-like but you can tell that compromises have been made for easy cross compatibility. For example, how hard would it be to implement full screen mode properly in lion/ml?
Maybe Serato need to do something radical for the good of the platform like cut legacy support and step up the specs, if it enables them to innovate and maintain their software to a competitive level.
Oh and the idea of using a PC, cheap or expensive, for something critical in a live performance scares the bejeesus out of me. I'd rather use a borderline spec mac than a fancy PC for a show any day of the week.
Although I would say Traktor, however, runs on Windows, Mac and even more crazy varied configs!
At least Itch narrows down the controllers and therefore sound cards. I know traktor's development has hardly been running on rocket fuel either but I can't help but feel that it's significantly more feature rich than Itch and surely that level of complexity takes a great deal of maintenance.
I would really like it if itch felt a bit more native and mac-like but you can tell that compromises have been made for easy cross compatibility. For example, how hard would it be to implement full screen mode properly in lion/ml?
Maybe Serato need to do something radical for the good of the platform like cut legacy support and step up the specs, if it enables them to innovate and maintain their software to a competitive level.
Oh and the idea of using a PC, cheap or expensive, for something critical in a live performance scares the bejeesus out of me. I'd rather use a borderline spec mac than a fancy PC for a show any day of the week.
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DJ-Sven
5:19 AM - 14 August, 2012
However, to keep bringing up DJay as a comparison is a bit of a straw man argument.
I guarantee you, if Itch was OSX only, we'd be seeing improvements to Itch at the same rate as DJay.
Developing for OSX alone means very little variety in hardware, OS, and drivers. Audio handling is far more straightforward on Mac.
As soon as you add Windows to the mix you are adding COUNTLESS combinations of hardware, OS releases and updates, bios, and drivers.
To retain compatibility for all that shit means that, naturally, development of new features takes a lot longer.
This is not just a theory. Take a look at the pace of change with Serato Video and MixEmergency. Inklen know that their core compatibility as a Mac only program is nailed. They can add new features very quickly. Serato, on the other hand, cannot, as they also have to try and make SV work on myriad windows machines. And even when they do impose restrictions (no Intel integrated graphics) for the sake of performance, the support forums are full of people with cheap consumer laptops complaining about it.
The iOS version of DJay has even less configurations to worry about. 3 phone and 2 iPad models? That's a lot of development headaches straight out of the window.
How about EVERYONE using Itch goes out and buys a mac. Then we might get moving.
I never heard such a shit!
In my main job I am working as IT-Technican for a company wich is building VIdeo-Surveillance for big Airports and Logistic Centers. I've never seen a Mac in any industrial enviroment and the systems worked fine on Windows and Linux .
I think, first the most DJ's have problems with cheap hardware and second with non existing knowledge about configuring a PC.
The only thing I agree with you, that the User is the problem for a faster development: I want the bridge, you want FX, the next wants better keycorrection, etc. ... what I see, Serato developed a lot in the last years, but not all things were seen from everyone.
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I would not disagree with you guys about wanting to see Itch progress a bit faster.However, to keep bringing up DJay as a comparison is a bit of a straw man argument.
I guarantee you, if Itch was OSX only, we'd be seeing improvements to Itch at the same rate as DJay.
Developing for OSX alone means very little variety in hardware, OS, and drivers. Audio handling is far more straightforward on Mac.
As soon as you add Windows to the mix you are adding COUNTLESS combinations of hardware, OS releases and updates, bios, and drivers.
To retain compatibility for all that shit means that, naturally, development of new features takes a lot longer.
This is not just a theory. Take a look at the pace of change with Serato Video and MixEmergency. Inklen know that their core compatibility as a Mac only program is nailed. They can add new features very quickly. Serato, on the other hand, cannot, as they also have to try and make SV work on myriad windows machines. And even when they do impose restrictions (no Intel integrated graphics) for the sake of performance, the support forums are full of people with cheap consumer laptops complaining about it.
The iOS version of DJay has even less configurations to worry about. 3 phone and 2 iPad models? That's a lot of development headaches straight out of the window.
How about EVERYONE using Itch goes out and buys a mac. Then we might get moving.
I never heard such a shit!
In my main job I am working as IT-Technican for a company wich is building VIdeo-Surveillance for big Airports and Logistic Centers. I've never seen a Mac in any industrial enviroment and the systems worked fine on Windows and Linux .
I think, first the most DJ's have problems with cheap hardware and second with non existing knowledge about configuring a PC.
The only thing I agree with you, that the User is the problem for a faster development: I want the bridge, you want FX, the next wants better keycorrection, etc. ... what I see, Serato developed a lot in the last years, but not all things were seen from everyone.
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djemdub
8:46 PM - 14 August, 2012
for you mac users, traktor now has full support for mountain lion and macs w/ retinas displays!
its not out yet but ATLEAST THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR CUSTOMERS WHATS COMING.lol as for us ITCH users, we'll be stuck waiting in the dust...
Watchwww.youtube.com
its not out yet but ATLEAST THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR CUSTOMERS WHATS COMING.lol as for us ITCH users, we'll be stuck waiting in the dust...
Watchwww.youtube.com
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LEDPaint
9:46 PM - 14 August, 2012
its not out yet but ATLEAST THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR CUSTOMERS WHATS COMING.lol as for us ITCH users, we'll be stuck waiting in the dust...
Watchwww.youtube.com
This lack of commitment to a their product on Serato's part is why I picked up a 4Trak this morning. My NS6 will be bye bye tonight. I'll never purchase another Serato product again. My Itch has been scratched.
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for you mac users, traktor now has full support for mountain lion and macs w/ retinas displays!its not out yet but ATLEAST THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR CUSTOMERS WHATS COMING.lol as for us ITCH users, we'll be stuck waiting in the dust...
Watchwww.youtube.com
This lack of commitment to a their product on Serato's part is why I picked up a 4Trak this morning. My NS6 will be bye bye tonight. I'll never purchase another Serato product again. My Itch has been scratched.
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LEDPaint
9:55 PM - 14 August, 2012
And in case you're thinking of doing the same, B&H Photo has the 4Trak for $779 plus a $100 rebate from Numark and free shipping, $679 out the door or price match from Guitar Center plus 10% of the difference = $657 after the rebate.
www.bhphotovideo.com
www.bhphotovideo.com
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djemdub
9:57 PM - 14 August, 2012
www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
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And in case you're thinking of doing the same, B&H Photo has the 4Trak for $779 plus a $100 rebate from Numark and free shipping, $679 out the door or price match from Guitar Center plus 10% of the difference = $657 after the rebate.www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
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djemdub
9:59 PM - 14 August, 2012
oh&i bet that serato doesnt care if we sell our itch products cause they already made money from us when we purchased it..
i love my ns6, but if i can get the same resolution on traktor from the 4trak jog wheels as i do from my ns6 w/ itch, i really have NO reason to stay
i love my ns6, but if i can get the same resolution on traktor from the 4trak jog wheels as i do from my ns6 w/ itch, i really have NO reason to stay
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phatbob
10:07 PM - 14 August, 2012
That's a rather big discount on a controller which has only been out since, what, July?
Go Traktor by all means. But deep discounting like that after such a short time does not bode well for the future prospects of the 4Trak.
Go Traktor by all means. But deep discounting like that after such a short time does not bode well for the future prospects of the 4Trak.
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djemdub
10:09 PM - 14 August, 2012
www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
ok it ends oct 31, take advantage guys..I give serato to the end of this month..mean while, i will start to fix my library in traktor and start practicing more with it just in case serato doesnt give an update by the end of this month..hopefully i can hold on to my ns6
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And in case you're thinking of doing the same, B&H Photo has the 4Trak for $779 plus a $100 rebate from Numark and free shipping, $679 out the door or price match from Guitar Center plus 10% of the difference = $657 after the rebate.www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
ok it ends oct 31, take advantage guys..I give serato to the end of this month..mean while, i will start to fix my library in traktor and start practicing more with it just in case serato doesnt give an update by the end of this month..hopefully i can hold on to my ns6
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dj lashes
10:43 PM - 14 August, 2012
www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
ok it ends oct 31, take advantage guys..I give serato to the end of this month..mean while, i will start to fix my library in traktor and start practicing more with it just in case serato doesnt give an update by the end of this month..hopefully i can hold on to my ns6
really thinking about doing the same which in my eyes would be a blow to serato/itch as my group are the biggest in Gambia and one of the biggest in west Africa we have big say over alot of dj and club with the gear they use and alot of dj just follow what we use. SERATO WAKE UP
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And in case you're thinking of doing the same, B&H Photo has the 4Trak for $779 plus a $100 rebate from Numark and free shipping, $679 out the door or price match from Guitar Center plus 10% of the difference = $657 after the rebate.www.bhphotovideo.com
omg thats so cheap!how long is the rebate gonna be up for? I have an ns6 as well that i think im going to be selling real soon as well!
ok it ends oct 31, take advantage guys..I give serato to the end of this month..mean while, i will start to fix my library in traktor and start practicing more with it just in case serato doesnt give an update by the end of this month..hopefully i can hold on to my ns6
really thinking about doing the same which in my eyes would be a blow to serato/itch as my group are the biggest in Gambia and one of the biggest in west Africa we have big say over alot of dj and club with the gear they use and alot of dj just follow what we use. SERATO WAKE UP
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Simon Love Carter
11:44 PM - 14 August, 2012
I'm totally disappointed right now!! I keep using 2.1 release because there's is the restarting song bug with 2.2 and my v7. I keep using my mac with snow leopard because under LION ITCH freezes when you disconnect the hardware before quitting. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Fx quality upgrade requests!!! Silence for 10 months. That's really frustrating!!!
I did too! I was thinking to sell my S1 and buy a T1 for traktor. I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!
I did too! I was thinking to sell my S1 and buy a T1 for traktor. I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!
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wadup
11:54 PM - 14 August, 2012
itch is way way way more stable than traktor, if u dont believe me head over to the traktor forum... you will end up doing more complaint than ur doing now.. The serato guys has said numerous time they are working hard and fixing the bugs that everyone has been complaining about. I believe when its all said and done you guys will be very thankful for a stable program......
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djemdub
1:18 AM - 15 August, 2012
I believe it has to do a lot with pc configuration and cheap pc hardware.
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RodrigoVolta
3:28 AM - 15 August, 2012
All three of the Serato software are identical. What changes are some features. Moreover, the kernel is the same!
Serato still has many serious bugs to fix in your software. Starting with the bad MasterTempo, which is very very behind software like Traktor and VDJ.
Urgent need to fix the AUTO BPM in most cases, analyzes the wrong BPM of the music and the GRID which almost never fits the music correctly!
The effects need to be revised and improved.
The layout needs to be revised and improved. Place the RECORDER always visible as it was in previous versions, it would be very useful! Among other things that were really required here on the forum.
Take as much time to fix, is absurd! Many of these bugs have been around since version 1.0 and still nothing has been improved! It was for them to have released a version with these bugs fixed.
Serato still has many serious bugs to fix in your software. Starting with the bad MasterTempo, which is very very behind software like Traktor and VDJ.
Urgent need to fix the AUTO BPM in most cases, analyzes the wrong BPM of the music and the GRID which almost never fits the music correctly!
The effects need to be revised and improved.
The layout needs to be revised and improved. Place the RECORDER always visible as it was in previous versions, it would be very useful! Among other things that were really required here on the forum.
Take as much time to fix, is absurd! Many of these bugs have been around since version 1.0 and still nothing has been improved! It was for them to have released a version with these bugs fixed.
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Maskrider
4:22 AM - 15 August, 2012
I really don't have any problem with ITCH and SV...It has been pretty stable IMO.
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DJ-Sven
5:58 AM - 15 August, 2012
Me too, no Problem with ITCH on the NS6, Xone DX and SSL, all on different OS (Win XP, Win7, Win 7 64).
My only wish is a better mastertempo and the bridge for ITCH!
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I really don't have any problem with ITCH and SV...It has been pretty stable IMO.Me too, no Problem with ITCH on the NS6, Xone DX and SSL, all on different OS (Win XP, Win7, Win 7 64).
My only wish is a better mastertempo and the bridge for ITCH!
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RodrigoVolta
2:02 PM - 15 August, 2012
I just wish the engineers fix the following problems:
1) - Mastertempo.
2) - AUTO-BPM.
3) - GRID fit.
4) - Pitch DDJ LEDs.
5) - Improve the effects.
6) - Recorder always visible on the screen.
1) - Mastertempo.
2) - AUTO-BPM.
3) - GRID fit.
4) - Pitch DDJ LEDs.
5) - Improve the effects.
6) - Recorder always visible on the screen.
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ArvidX
3:32 PM - 15 August, 2012
I never had any problems with Traktor or Serato. can't say nothing about vdj because i never used it and i think every software has his problems and some people have more problems then others.
But when i hear people talking that they have more then 20.000 in their crates i wonder if that makes a system smooth. Maybe i'm crazy or lucky but i never have more then 100 tracks with me when i play somewhere. After 3 hours playing i go home, with 20.000 i could play for days.
The fx in Traktor is certainly better but since i use my DB4 i never touched the fx in traktor anymore.
btw i think people better can stop compare traktor and Serato because they both have a different approach and users have to choose what they prefer.
But when i hear people talking that they have more then 20.000 in their crates i wonder if that makes a system smooth. Maybe i'm crazy or lucky but i never have more then 100 tracks with me when i play somewhere. After 3 hours playing i go home, with 20.000 i could play for days.
The fx in Traktor is certainly better but since i use my DB4 i never touched the fx in traktor anymore.
btw i think people better can stop compare traktor and Serato because they both have a different approach and users have to choose what they prefer.
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Simon Love Carter
3:42 PM - 15 August, 2012
But when i hear people talking that they have more then 20.000 in their crates i wonder if that makes a system smooth. Maybe i'm crazy or lucky but i never have more then 100 tracks with me when i play somewhere. After 3 hours playing i go home, with 20.000 i could play for days.
The fx in Traktor is certainly better but since i use my DB4 i never touched the fx in traktor anymore.
btw i think people better can stop compare traktor and Serato because they both have a different approach and users have to choose what they prefer.
You're righg ArvidX, but for me it's not a simple comparison. It's just a wa to tell a story about our experience: - I love serato and its design, just need a tape delay and a better reverb.... maybe i ask dor my numark v7 to correct bugs in less than 10 months. I hate traktor but there are just 3 choices in the market....
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I never had any problems with Traktor or Serato. can't say nothing about vdj because i never used it and i think every software has his problems and some people have more problems then others.But when i hear people talking that they have more then 20.000 in their crates i wonder if that makes a system smooth. Maybe i'm crazy or lucky but i never have more then 100 tracks with me when i play somewhere. After 3 hours playing i go home, with 20.000 i could play for days.
The fx in Traktor is certainly better but since i use my DB4 i never touched the fx in traktor anymore.
btw i think people better can stop compare traktor and Serato because they both have a different approach and users have to choose what they prefer.
You're righg ArvidX, but for me it's not a simple comparison. It's just a wa to tell a story about our experience: - I love serato and its design, just need a tape delay and a better reverb.... maybe i ask dor my numark v7 to correct bugs in less than 10 months. I hate traktor but there are just 3 choices in the market....
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Bozo
4:44 PM - 15 August, 2012
Traktor FX are not that usefull on gigs (a friends only use filter, beatmasher and tape delay), the F1 look greats because it come with sorted sample/Loop/one shot and in my opinion its usefull for producer.
The Serato real problème is that each features for Itch depend on many brand (Vestax for the pad FX and also the novation's slicer, Numark motor turntable and multipisting on the NS6, Pioneer have the slip mode and the vynil speed adjust...) That's why there will nether be midi mapping on itch (no slicer on NS6 and DDJ S1 :S but you can buy a Twitch and run both contrôleur together). But if we don't get midi mapping, give us a piece of harware to control the common features (like the SP-6, cause the bridge look's good on commercial's routine but its not the revolution that you guy's are exepting for the price of ableton suite).
(Sorry for my english if it's not understandable, not my first language)
The Serato real problème is that each features for Itch depend on many brand (Vestax for the pad FX and also the novation's slicer, Numark motor turntable and multipisting on the NS6, Pioneer have the slip mode and the vynil speed adjust...) That's why there will nether be midi mapping on itch (no slicer on NS6 and DDJ S1 :S but you can buy a Twitch and run both contrôleur together). But if we don't get midi mapping, give us a piece of harware to control the common features (like the SP-6, cause the bridge look's good on commercial's routine but its not the revolution that you guy's are exepting for the price of ableton suite).
(Sorry for my english if it's not understandable, not my first language)
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blackavenger
4:54 PM - 15 August, 2012
That's a fair compromise....give us a MIDI controller.
Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Then you can move on to fixing the Effects/Dropouts/Keylock/Auto-BPM/FLAC/etc..
It would be a start, anyhow!
Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Then you can move on to fixing the Effects/Dropouts/Keylock/Auto-BPM/FLAC/etc..
It would be a start, anyhow!
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seratosnatch
6:07 PM - 15 August, 2012
The reason Traktor focuses hard on their fx and features and constant updates, etc., is because
they sell their software. Updates mean money for most of their versions.
I would be glad to pay for an update if Serato offered an "Itch Pro" version with SSL type fx,
midi mapping, etc.
they sell their software. Updates mean money for most of their versions.
I would be glad to pay for an update if Serato offered an "Itch Pro" version with SSL type fx,
midi mapping, etc.
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djemdub
6:22 PM - 15 August, 2012
Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Then you can move on to fixing the Effects/Dropouts/Keylock/Auto-BPM/FLAC/etc..
It would be a start, anyhow!
Do you have any idea how long that would take and how much the development of itch will slow down?you're suggyesting for them to stop what they're working on, call meetings with the representatives of the companies, build a prototype test re build it, then code then beta test and hardware tests..and well yeah you get the point lol..at this point, we all just want Serato to give us something so we know that they care about itch still and its users... I love the idea but is rather get the other updates first
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That's a fair compromise....give us a MIDI controller.Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Then you can move on to fixing the Effects/Dropouts/Keylock/Auto-BPM/FLAC/etc..
It would be a start, anyhow!
Do you have any idea how long that would take and how much the development of itch will slow down?you're suggyesting for them to stop what they're working on, call meetings with the representatives of the companies, build a prototype test re build it, then code then beta test and hardware tests..and well yeah you get the point lol..at this point, we all just want Serato to give us something so we know that they care about itch still and its users... I love the idea but is rather get the other updates first
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blackavenger
6:55 PM - 15 August, 2012
Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Do you have any idea how long that would take and how much the development of itch will slow down?you're suggyesting for them to stop what they're working on, call meetings with the representatives of the companies, build a prototype test re build it, then code then beta test and hardware tests..and well yeah you get the point
You do realize they have already done this in the past, right?
www.vestax.com
I'm not suggesting that they halt everything that they are currently working....but they could at least know that we would be interested in something like this as an alternative to open MIDI implementation within the software.
Hell, I'm just about done with ITCH anyway.....all I want is FLAC & a Sync'd SP-6 for ScratchLIVE, and I would never look back to ITCH again!
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That's a fair compromise....give us a MIDI controller.Work w' Pioneer/Vestax/Numark...someone, and create a 1/1 Universal MIDI controller that can control the SP-6 & Serato Video in it's "entirety"!!! Make it big! It has to control "all" the features within! That would make lots of people happy!!
Do you have any idea how long that would take and how much the development of itch will slow down?you're suggyesting for them to stop what they're working on, call meetings with the representatives of the companies, build a prototype test re build it, then code then beta test and hardware tests..and well yeah you get the point
You do realize they have already done this in the past, right?
www.vestax.com
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lol..at this point, we all just want Serato to give us something so we know that they care about itch still and its users... I love the idea but is rather get the other updates firstI'm not suggesting that they halt everything that they are currently working....but they could at least know that we would be interested in something like this as an alternative to open MIDI implementation within the software.
Hell, I'm just about done with ITCH anyway.....all I want is FLAC & a Sync'd SP-6 for ScratchLIVE, and I would never look back to ITCH again!
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Markabre
8:07 PM - 15 August, 2012
I wish that SSL was a viable option for me but unfortunately for the vast majority of cases it just isn't. I find it ridiculous that SSL features have been seemingly artificially left out of Itch as if it's SSL lite.
It's not like I use Itch because i'm pinching pennies, SSL just doesn't work for my work/business model.
It's no way to make friends and influence people but hell, if Serato were to introduce a reasonably low annual subscription fee that would fund a significant increase in development speed I would probably go for it.
I guess all the money from Serato Video went on the "rolls royce type shit" website and dull celebrity endorsements. I'd rather have modern, feature rich and stable software.
Serato is taking so long with this stuff, I can't but feel there's either something very very wrong with their business model, management or ethics.
No one wants to invest time, money and energy into a platform that doesn't feel like it's going anywhere.
It's not like I use Itch because i'm pinching pennies, SSL just doesn't work for my work/business model.
It's no way to make friends and influence people but hell, if Serato were to introduce a reasonably low annual subscription fee that would fund a significant increase in development speed I would probably go for it.
I guess all the money from Serato Video went on the "rolls royce type shit" website and dull celebrity endorsements. I'd rather have modern, feature rich and stable software.
Serato is taking so long with this stuff, I can't but feel there's either something very very wrong with their business model, management or ethics.
No one wants to invest time, money and energy into a platform that doesn't feel like it's going anywhere.
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Markabre
8:15 PM - 15 August, 2012
Just bloody merge Scratch & Itch and be done with it. If some features genuinely only make sense for Rane hardware then so be it, but cut the faux limitations.
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djemdub
8:31 PM - 15 August, 2012
The vfx-1 was made to compliment the vci300 and is still usable with some other itch controllers but isn't supported by Serato.in other words they will not help if you're having troubles to get the fx controller to work on a numark ns6 for example..a 1:1 MIDI controller to control all effects and all sp6 options that's compatible with all itch controllers would require participation from Serato and all hardware partners
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djemdub
8:56 PM - 15 August, 2012
Lol I don't think so..not with them insisting on being so quiet..
I love itch and my ns6 because stability wise, my computer has tackled itch and I've had no dropouts.I love platter resolution and simplicity of the GUI..
Now, what I hate, that's a whole different story..I like to use flangers when it helps, can't use it with itch..I like the echo out which I try to replicate on itch with a delay cause the echo sucks but the delay is too loud..master tempo/key lock degrades sound quality.not having full control of the sp6 sucks..the fact that I can't view 2 decks only with the ns6 is bothering when traktor and vdj can easily do it..I hate that some of my songs that are 132 bpm get analysed as 98 bpm or something.auto gain even sucks sometimes.
Before I came to Serato, the most I had spent on a controller was 250 and I ran that with my friends traktor license and I liked but wasn't getting everything I wanted.since then traktor has made huge improvements..then I dished out nearly a grand for the ns6 and Serato and it was like a new toy so of course I was over looking all of the flaws..I guess I'm disappointed and felt that I didn't get what i paid for
I love itch and my ns6 because stability wise, my computer has tackled itch and I've had no dropouts.I love platter resolution and simplicity of the GUI..
Now, what I hate, that's a whole different story..I like to use flangers when it helps, can't use it with itch..I like the echo out which I try to replicate on itch with a delay cause the echo sucks but the delay is too loud..master tempo/key lock degrades sound quality.not having full control of the sp6 sucks..the fact that I can't view 2 decks only with the ns6 is bothering when traktor and vdj can easily do it..I hate that some of my songs that are 132 bpm get analysed as 98 bpm or something.auto gain even sucks sometimes.
Before I came to Serato, the most I had spent on a controller was 250 and I ran that with my friends traktor license and I liked but wasn't getting everything I wanted.since then traktor has made huge improvements..then I dished out nearly a grand for the ns6 and Serato and it was like a new toy so of course I was over looking all of the flaws..I guess I'm disappointed and felt that I didn't get what i paid for
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Bozo
9:34 PM - 15 August, 2012
Autogain make sound flat and Master tempo slice the, but not only on serato ; peronnaly i never use the autogain and the master tempo only on a capella.
Because the FX section on the NS6 is not exaclty the same (even if it's the same ITCH version) on NS6 and VCI 300, the VFX-1 works great with the DDJ s1 for exemple. (if you run a DDJ S1 and a twitch, fx stll work but it's the DDJ S1 or the Twitch FX section who work, not both and there is no conflict)
The SP-6 is common to all ITCH controler (even in the VCI 380 i guess, 6 slot 4 banks and the same option, maybe use the same algorithm). But if Serato think about a SP6 controler (if it fit with there philosophy), who will run it ? Vestax ? Numark ? Pioneer ? this is the real probleme, Itch depend on brand, Traktor is free to fu.. the non NI (like the a&h k2 with the F1, or the lack of features on the DDJ T1)
(PS : this are only whish list, not serious suggestion)
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The vfx-1 was made to compliment the vci300 and is still usable with some other itch controllers but isn't supported by Serato.in other words they will not help if you're having troubles to get the fx controller to work on a numark ns6 for example..a 1:1 MIDI controller to control all effects and all sp6 options that's compatible with all itch controllers would require participation from Serato and all hardware partnersBecause the FX section on the NS6 is not exaclty the same (even if it's the same ITCH version) on NS6 and VCI 300, the VFX-1 works great with the DDJ s1 for exemple. (if you run a DDJ S1 and a twitch, fx stll work but it's the DDJ S1 or the Twitch FX section who work, not both and there is no conflict)
The SP-6 is common to all ITCH controler (even in the VCI 380 i guess, 6 slot 4 banks and the same option, maybe use the same algorithm). But if Serato think about a SP6 controler (if it fit with there philosophy), who will run it ? Vestax ? Numark ? Pioneer ? this is the real probleme, Itch depend on brand, Traktor is free to fu.. the non NI (like the a&h k2 with the F1, or the lack of features on the DDJ T1)
(PS : this are only whish list, not serious suggestion)
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AMAD3U5
3:00 AM - 16 August, 2012
I understand that coding for multiple platforms takes time and so my frustrations haven't driven me to other software (e.g. TRACKTOR etc) - yet. I am prepared to wait a little longer – good people from Serato ITCH – for some nice and needed additions such as MIDI mapping (or a dedicated piece of hardware - I'll buy it???) for SP-6, better effects, and everything else that regularly comes up. In the mean time; I just want one thing. 2 DECK VIEW!!! I understand that the NS6 is a 4 DECK controller and it's nice to be able to use 4 decks, but for the most part I'm generally using 2. It really irks me that you can only view Effects, SP-6 or Recording one at a time when I see a whole 2 decks not being used taking up all that damn space! So, just a thought. It would allow for more screen real estate on my 13" MacBook to see more of the library and maybe effects and SP-6 at the same time. Also, I really don't get the secrecy around what your working on. Is it a competition thing??? At the very least you could assuage some of the grumbling that's been going on. Just tell us that your working on these things, and perhaps a bit of a tentative release date?? Surely that's not too much to ask for? For what it's worth, I've really enjoyed ITCH. It's a streamlined and good looking bit of kit and I love my NS6 (sexy and rugged), but you gotta give us more guys cause I'm getting a serious case of TRACKTOR envy. Even if it's just to say "Hang in there, it's coming", otherwise....? Well I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what upset customers do? They move on to something else and tell as many people they can about their bad experience.
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blackavenger
7:10 AM - 16 August, 2012
so true.
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Well I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what upset customers do? They move on to something else and tell as many people they can about their bad experience.so true.
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djemdub
7:48 AM - 16 August, 2012
like I've been saying, show us a sign of hope! I'm more than willing to wait but only if I know what I'm waiting for..I don't want to wait for months and the next release is only for bug fixes for the vci 380
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I understand that coding for multiple platforms takes time and so my frustrations haven't driven me to other software (e.g. TRACKTOR etc) - yet. I am prepared to wait a little longer – good people from Serato ITCH – for some nice and needed additions such as MIDI mapping (or a dedicated piece of hardware - I'll buy it???) for SP-6, better effects, and everything else that regularly comes up. In the mean time; I just want one thing. 2 DECK VIEW!!! I understand that the NS6 is a 4 DECK controller and it's nice to be able to use 4 decks, but for the most part I'm generally using 2. It really irks me that you can only view Effects, SP-6 or Recording one at a time when I see a whole 2 decks not being used taking up all that damn space! So, just a thought. It would allow for more screen real estate on my 13" MacBook to see more of the library and maybe effects and SP-6 at the same time. Also, I really don't get the secrecy around what your working on. Is it a competition thing??? At the very least you could assuage some of the grumbling that's been going on. Just tell us that your working on these things, and perhaps a bit of a tentative release date?? Surely that's not too much to ask for? For what it's worth, I've really enjoyed ITCH. It's a streamlined and good looking bit of kit and I love my NS6 (sexy and rugged), but you gotta give us more guys cause I'm getting a serious case of TRACKTOR envy. Even if it's just to say "Hang in there, it's coming", otherwise....? Well I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what upset customers do? They move on to something else and tell as many people they can about their bad experience.like I've been saying, show us a sign of hope! I'm more than willing to wait but only if I know what I'm waiting for..I don't want to wait for months and the next release is only for bug fixes for the vci 380
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Simon Love Carter
9:26 AM - 16 August, 2012
SERATO company, give us a sign (a demo video, a work progression sheet) with your next improvements!!!
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Markabre
10:09 AM - 16 August, 2012
And few companies are as infamously secretive as Apple. Yet even they understand that when you have a software platform that you want people to continue to invest in, you have to communicate with the consumer and give them an idea of what's to come.
The same goes for Adobe, which, like Itch, is a work critical tool for many people. Knowing a general roadmap helps people prepare and budget accordingly or might stop them moving to a competitor.
Those iOS and OSX keynotes are far more for consumers than they are developers these days.
and like i've said before, Traktor have already shown their hand for this cycle, and it's a pretty strong one.
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Nobody understand that Serato always work in silence?And few companies are as infamously secretive as Apple. Yet even they understand that when you have a software platform that you want people to continue to invest in, you have to communicate with the consumer and give them an idea of what's to come.
The same goes for Adobe, which, like Itch, is a work critical tool for many people. Knowing a general roadmap helps people prepare and budget accordingly or might stop them moving to a competitor.
Those iOS and OSX keynotes are far more for consumers than they are developers these days.
and like i've said before, Traktor have already shown their hand for this cycle, and it's a pretty strong one.
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WileECoyote
12:15 PM - 16 August, 2012
Pioneer DDJ-T1 - Traktor, 4 Decks, £750 in UK
Pioneer DDJ-S1 - Itch, 2 Decks, £900 in UK
I'd reckon Serato are making a little more per unit than the £7/$10 that Algoriddim are.
Does the DDJ-T1 come with a full version of Traktor? The specs say it comes with Traktor LE for that device. The upgrade is pretty cheap, but it does bring the price up a little bit.
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Also, not sure if I'm missing anything here but:Pioneer DDJ-T1 - Traktor, 4 Decks, £750 in UK
Pioneer DDJ-S1 - Itch, 2 Decks, £900 in UK
I'd reckon Serato are making a little more per unit than the £7/$10 that Algoriddim are.
Does the DDJ-T1 come with a full version of Traktor? The specs say it comes with Traktor LE for that device. The upgrade is pretty cheap, but it does bring the price up a little bit.
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DSOUL
8:28 PM - 16 August, 2012
It was fun and interesting to read all of your opinions and hear concerns that I have as well. I've been an SSL user for year and recently have been using DJ Intro & ITCH. I just got my hands on ITCH for the first time when I bought the VCI-380.
I have to imagine that ITCH updates are slow because they have to support multiple pieces of hardware from multiple manufacturers unlike SSL where SERATO controls the hardware and have only a few variations of it. What I can't believe is that ITCH can't MIDI Map. I bought the VCI 380 in hope to minimize my equipment and incorporate video into my sets. Unfortunately, despite liking the VCI 380, I can't control my video effects parameters without going to the keyboard and mouse. I assume Serato won't allow Midi Mapping to external controllers because otherwise they wouldn't make any money of ITCH. They should at least however let you Midi Map if you have a Serato ITCH certified controller.
That's my biggest gripe, otherwise I really like Serato's simplicity and platform. With that said, come on Serato, give us some feedback on ITCH 2.3
I have to imagine that ITCH updates are slow because they have to support multiple pieces of hardware from multiple manufacturers unlike SSL where SERATO controls the hardware and have only a few variations of it. What I can't believe is that ITCH can't MIDI Map. I bought the VCI 380 in hope to minimize my equipment and incorporate video into my sets. Unfortunately, despite liking the VCI 380, I can't control my video effects parameters without going to the keyboard and mouse. I assume Serato won't allow Midi Mapping to external controllers because otherwise they wouldn't make any money of ITCH. They should at least however let you Midi Map if you have a Serato ITCH certified controller.
That's my biggest gripe, otherwise I really like Serato's simplicity and platform. With that said, come on Serato, give us some feedback on ITCH 2.3
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ImShifty
5:59 AM - 17 August, 2012
I did too! I was thinking to sell my S1 and buy a T1 for traktor. I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!
you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
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I'm totally disappointed right now!! I keep using 2.1 release because there's is the restarting song bug with 2.2 and my v7. I keep using my mac with snow leopard because under LION ITCH freezes when you disconnect the hardware before quitting. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Fx quality upgrade requests!!! Silence for 10 months. That's really frustrating!!!I did too! I was thinking to sell my S1 and buy a T1 for traktor. I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!
you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
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blackavenger
12:45 PM - 17 August, 2012
you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
I don't think that has worked for a looooooong ass time....well, at least not for me. Unfortunately, that little utility hasn't received any attention in about two years......it no longer works since Serato changed the database in 2.0
Check out this post ala' Native's forum:
www.native-instruments.com
Steer clear my friend!!!
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I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
I don't think that has worked for a looooooong ass time....well, at least not for me. Unfortunately, that little utility hasn't received any attention in about two years......it no longer works since Serato changed the database in 2.0
Check out this post ala' Native's forum:
www.native-instruments.com
Steer clear my friend!!!
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LEDPaint
3:29 PM - 17 August, 2012
That's a stupid way to work when people are complaining on a massive scale about your product, especially when your target audience is as a vocal a community as the DJ community is. There's nothing innovative about Serato in the way Apple is innovative and there are many, many alternatives for DJ's.
Really, Breakermixer, you should keep your mouth shut at this point. Your posts defending Serato's business practices are ludicrous and ignorant in that you don't really know anything about the inner workings of this company. They aren't some mysterious, wonderful, innovative company on which every digital DJ waits with baited breath for their next release. They're a company with a flawed business model releasing a mediocre product.
They have horrible comminucation skills and they've concentrated their efforts into a niche market (video dj'ing) over making Itch truly wonderful and the next "gotta have" piece of software by listening to their customers' complaints for the last ***two effing years***. That tells me they don't know how to sustain their momentum, have terrible management, and are grasping at straws for cash.
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Nobody understand that Serato always work in silence?That's a stupid way to work when people are complaining on a massive scale about your product, especially when your target audience is as a vocal a community as the DJ community is. There's nothing innovative about Serato in the way Apple is innovative and there are many, many alternatives for DJ's.
Really, Breakermixer, you should keep your mouth shut at this point. Your posts defending Serato's business practices are ludicrous and ignorant in that you don't really know anything about the inner workings of this company. They aren't some mysterious, wonderful, innovative company on which every digital DJ waits with baited breath for their next release. They're a company with a flawed business model releasing a mediocre product.
They have horrible comminucation skills and they've concentrated their efforts into a niche market (video dj'ing) over making Itch truly wonderful and the next "gotta have" piece of software by listening to their customers' complaints for the last ***two effing years***. That tells me they don't know how to sustain their momentum, have terrible management, and are grasping at straws for cash.
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phatbob
3:54 PM - 17 August, 2012
And you do?
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you don't really know anything about the inner workings of this companyAnd you do?
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LEDPaint
4:31 PM - 17 August, 2012
I don't need to know the inner workings of the company to know that he does not.
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phatbob
4:48 PM - 17 August, 2012
And yet in your previous post you suggest that you do... Confusing.
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LEDPaint
4:55 PM - 17 August, 2012
I don't suggest anything of the sort. These merely observations I and others, including you on some threads, have made. I think you're reading too much into it.
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Ice Pilot
10:13 PM - 17 August, 2012
That's a stupid way to work when people are complaining on a massive scale about your product, especially when your target audience is as a vocal a community as the DJ community is. There's nothing innovative about Serato in the way Apple is innovative and there are many, many alternatives for DJ's.
They aren't some mysterious, wonderful, innovative company on which every digital DJ waits with baited breath for their next release. They're a company with a flawed business model releasing a mediocre product.
They have horrible comminucation skills and they've concentrated their efforts into a niche market (video dj'ing) over making Itch truly wonderful and the next "gotta have" piece of software by listening to their customers' complaints for the last ***two effing years***. That tells me they don't know how to sustain their momentum, have terrible management, and are grasping at straws for cash.
Yup, that about sums it up!
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That's a stupid way to work when people are complaining on a massive scale about your product, especially when your target audience is as a vocal a community as the DJ community is. There's nothing innovative about Serato in the way Apple is innovative and there are many, many alternatives for DJ's.
They aren't some mysterious, wonderful, innovative company on which every digital DJ waits with baited breath for their next release. They're a company with a flawed business model releasing a mediocre product.
They have horrible comminucation skills and they've concentrated their efforts into a niche market (video dj'ing) over making Itch truly wonderful and the next "gotta have" piece of software by listening to their customers' complaints for the last ***two effing years***. That tells me they don't know how to sustain their momentum, have terrible management, and are grasping at straws for cash.
Yup, that about sums it up!
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breakermixer
11:40 PM - 17 August, 2012
LEDPaint, you can show your opinion, but remember that there are rules that you can´t break: serato.com
Please keep respect. This forum is to ask, learn and help others.
I don't know anything about the inner workings of Serato but I think they are not working here: bstoursworld.net
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Really, Breakermixer, you should keep your mouth shut at this point.LEDPaint, you can show your opinion, but remember that there are rules that you can´t break: serato.com
Please keep respect. This forum is to ask, learn and help others.
I don't know anything about the inner workings of Serato but I think they are not working here: bstoursworld.net
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ImShifty
12:27 AM - 18 August, 2012
you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
I don't think that has worked for a looooooong ass time....well, at least not for me. Unfortunately, that little utility hasn't received any attention in about two years......it no longer works since Serato changed the database in 2.0
Check out this post ala' Native's forum:
www.native-instruments.com
Steer clear my friend!!!
well shit thx for clearing that up..and here I thought I was going to have an easy transition to traktor
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I got to say, it's a pain in the ass to rebuild my entire playlist in an another software, but I'm starting to think that it's not that bad compared to my actual feeling about serato!! To bad for the peak dispaly... very useful!you dont have to, NI made a converter
www.djtechtools.com
I don't think that has worked for a looooooong ass time....well, at least not for me. Unfortunately, that little utility hasn't received any attention in about two years......it no longer works since Serato changed the database in 2.0
Check out this post ala' Native's forum:
www.native-instruments.com
Steer clear my friend!!!
well shit thx for clearing that up..and here I thought I was going to have an easy transition to traktor
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Maskrider
1:23 AM - 18 August, 2012
The Guys at SERATO are really working hard to sort it out.....We may not see it but they are listening.
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Zerofaith
9:18 AM - 18 August, 2012
Do you work there? Are you an official person that works for their community?
If not do not spread assumptions in a official type of way its never a good thing.
I know you want to help but you are throwing gas at the fire.
The main reason some of us do wonder whats going on is because we payed a lot of money for a controller and we are more or less stuck with Serato if we want the full functionality of it as our controller isnt supported by anyone else at the moment, and Serato isnt helping with their silence either.
Midi mapping as in Scratch lIve.
Fixed effects and maybe some better ones.
Choice of using 2 or 4 decks
Better record function
Fix that and i am happy.
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The Guys at SERATO are really working hard to sort it out.....We may not see it but they are listening.Do you work there? Are you an official person that works for their community?
If not do not spread assumptions in a official type of way its never a good thing.
I know you want to help but you are throwing gas at the fire.
The main reason some of us do wonder whats going on is because we payed a lot of money for a controller and we are more or less stuck with Serato if we want the full functionality of it as our controller isnt supported by anyone else at the moment, and Serato isnt helping with their silence either.
Midi mapping as in Scratch lIve.
Fixed effects and maybe some better ones.
Choice of using 2 or 4 decks
Better record function
Fix that and i am happy.
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LEDPaint
1:43 PM - 18 August, 2012
I tested it with a demo of traktor on a PC test box I use for such things, it worked perfectly. It wouldn't do the entire db on my Mac in one shot, but crate by crate was ok, except wihen subcrates existed, in which case subcrate by subcrate worked fine.
It did not port over the Group field either time, which I use as a second comments section. I researched that, and it seems that's a known issue. If you have a second computer to test on, I suggest trying that first as it seems it's inconsistent from user to user.
You will have to move your music if you test or the import fails. Copy it, don't just plug in your working collection as it strips out metadata from the music files (this did *not* damage my Itch db, however; all info was retained, but play it safe). You can use the output file created by your test in your actual install if you go that route.
Bottom line: it's a little bit of work, but not too bad. However, if you plan on using both softwares, I personally would update both manually unless you make new crates for new music. I don't think exporting an existing updated crate is the greatest way to do it, but that's just me. Traktor does take snapshots of your Playlists, so even if it does get screwed up, you can revert to the former version and figure out what went worng after.
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well shit thx for clearing that up..and here I thought I was going to have an easy transition to traktorI tested it with a demo of traktor on a PC test box I use for such things, it worked perfectly. It wouldn't do the entire db on my Mac in one shot, but crate by crate was ok, except wihen subcrates existed, in which case subcrate by subcrate worked fine.
It did not port over the Group field either time, which I use as a second comments section. I researched that, and it seems that's a known issue. If you have a second computer to test on, I suggest trying that first as it seems it's inconsistent from user to user.
You will have to move your music if you test or the import fails. Copy it, don't just plug in your working collection as it strips out metadata from the music files (this did *not* damage my Itch db, however; all info was retained, but play it safe). You can use the output file created by your test in your actual install if you go that route.
Bottom line: it's a little bit of work, but not too bad. However, if you plan on using both softwares, I personally would update both manually unless you make new crates for new music. I don't think exporting an existing updated crate is the greatest way to do it, but that's just me. Traktor does take snapshots of your Playlists, so even if it does get screwed up, you can revert to the former version and figure out what went worng after.
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blackavenger
1:50 PM - 18 August, 2012
If not do not spread assumptions in a official type of way its never a good thing.
No, he's just been on here for a looooong time, and understands how Serato's Forum presence works. As have/do I. Though, whereas Maskrider still has faith in the Serato ITCH team, I do not. I think ScratchLIVE is great (well, with "some" exceptions), but to me, ITCH is a failure!
They said once they did the rebuild, that updates would spring up like wildfire. That hasn't been the case. I think the whole business model is a bust. Too many different companies, making too many different controllers. There is no sense of uniformity. Too many limitations amongst the different pieces of hardware for there to ever be a solid piece of software that will work across the mediums.
I think the only thing that can save ITCH is if Rane & Serato were to work out a deal that will allow ScratchLIVE & ITCH to meld together. Since I don't see that happening, I don't see ITCH ever getting to a point like where Traktor is today.
It's sad, but it's just the way it is.
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Do you work there? Are you an official person that works for their community?If not do not spread assumptions in a official type of way its never a good thing.
No, he's just been on here for a looooong time, and understands how Serato's Forum presence works. As have/do I. Though, whereas Maskrider still has faith in the Serato ITCH team, I do not. I think ScratchLIVE is great (well, with "some" exceptions), but to me, ITCH is a failure!
They said once they did the rebuild, that updates would spring up like wildfire. That hasn't been the case. I think the whole business model is a bust. Too many different companies, making too many different controllers. There is no sense of uniformity. Too many limitations amongst the different pieces of hardware for there to ever be a solid piece of software that will work across the mediums.
I think the only thing that can save ITCH is if Rane & Serato were to work out a deal that will allow ScratchLIVE & ITCH to meld together. Since I don't see that happening, I don't see ITCH ever getting to a point like where Traktor is today.
It's sad, but it's just the way it is.
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Markabre
2:32 PM - 18 August, 2012
Yeah when the VCI-380 was announced, my blind optimism made me think that it, along with Serato Video, could signal the start of a second renaissance for Itch
Perhaps it was, in fact, the death rattle.
I've not had hands on time with Bridge but couldn't they implement 3rd party midi mapping via ableton if they actually delivered Bridge for Itch.
If Itch would just automatically share the relevant BPMs with Ableton then I could work on some nice little workarounds.
Perhaps it was, in fact, the death rattle.
I've not had hands on time with Bridge but couldn't they implement 3rd party midi mapping via ableton if they actually delivered Bridge for Itch.
If Itch would just automatically share the relevant BPMs with Ableton then I could work on some nice little workarounds.
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Bozo
7:26 PM - 18 August, 2012
I tried something and it work pretty well : i run ITCH and ableton at the same time, lauched a loop sample in SP6 with a grid at 128 bpm and a clip in ableton in the same bpm, then mached them with the SP6 pitch bend and put down the sample's volume fader and run an empty clip in ableton (to make all the next clip stay sync).
When i wan't to launch some clip in ableton, i hit sync : ITCH and Ableton are sync. (if you run a PC, you can't use the ITCH controler's sound card with ITCH and ableton on the same time, you have to use the PC sound card or an other one and plug it to the AUX input)
When i wan't to launch some clip in ableton, i hit sync : ITCH and Ableton are sync. (if you run a PC, you can't use the ITCH controler's sound card with ITCH and ableton on the same time, you have to use the PC sound card or an other one and plug it to the AUX input)
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djallstyle
8:00 AM - 19 August, 2012
When i wan't to launch some clip in ableton, i hit sync : ITCH and Ableton are sync. (if you run a PC, you can't use the ITCH controler's sound card with ITCH and ableton on the same time, you have to use the PC sound card or an other one and plug it to the AUX input)
Interesting... I will have to try this ASAP....
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I tried something and it work pretty well : i run ITCH and ableton at the same time, lauched a loop sample in SP6 with a grid at 128 bpm and a clip in ableton in the same bpm, then mached them with the SP6 pitch bend and put down the sample's volume fader and run an empty clip in ableton (to make all the next clip stay sync).When i wan't to launch some clip in ableton, i hit sync : ITCH and Ableton are sync. (if you run a PC, you can't use the ITCH controler's sound card with ITCH and ableton on the same time, you have to use the PC sound card or an other one and plug it to the AUX input)
Interesting... I will have to try this ASAP....
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Martin C
3:17 AM - 20 August, 2012
Hey Guys,
I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put them into our product back log.
Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.
If you are having a specific problem with ITCH or your controller please make a separate help request here so we can try and assist you with your issues as best we can: serato.com
I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put them into our product back log.
Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.
If you are having a specific problem with ITCH or your controller please make a separate help request here so we can try and assist you with your issues as best we can: serato.com
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dj lashes
5:23 AM - 20 August, 2012
thank you thats all alot of us wanted to hear...
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The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)thank you thats all alot of us wanted to hear...
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DJ Lee71
5:45 AM - 20 August, 2012
Yeah better effects, 2 deck view and PLEASE, PLEASE add the individual gain knobs to both decks like in Serato.
Also, what is up with ITCH not working with 3rd Gen PC i7 processor/Chip sets?
I've had to replace my old laptop when switching to the NS6 because the Intel 2 Duo core isn't fast enough........so I bought a brand new Sony Vaio and I get screen freeze from 1-8 seconds when I load tracks and CNTL- Z tracks. (Audio continues playing....just visual freeze)
I've done all the tweeks, disabled Wifi etc... and no luck so......I returned the Vaio E series and tried an S series......same issue.....so then bought a Samsung and STILL same issue.
Ran Itch in Virtual XP mode and same issue so I'm convinced that there is a conflict with ITCH and the 3rd Gen Ivy Bridge chipset.
FYI- My smaller backup laptop is a Sony Vaio 2nd gen i5 and ITCH works flawless...but I need 2 laptops at all times....
Anyone?
P.S. PLEASE don't say "Buy a mac" I hate Mac :o(
Also, what is up with ITCH not working with 3rd Gen PC i7 processor/Chip sets?
I've had to replace my old laptop when switching to the NS6 because the Intel 2 Duo core isn't fast enough........so I bought a brand new Sony Vaio and I get screen freeze from 1-8 seconds when I load tracks and CNTL- Z tracks. (Audio continues playing....just visual freeze)
I've done all the tweeks, disabled Wifi etc... and no luck so......I returned the Vaio E series and tried an S series......same issue.....so then bought a Samsung and STILL same issue.
Ran Itch in Virtual XP mode and same issue so I'm convinced that there is a conflict with ITCH and the 3rd Gen Ivy Bridge chipset.
FYI- My smaller backup laptop is a Sony Vaio 2nd gen i5 and ITCH works flawless...but I need 2 laptops at all times....
Anyone?
P.S. PLEASE don't say "Buy a mac" I hate Mac :o(
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blackavenger
5:46 AM - 20 August, 2012
.
Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future,
Hmm.
You get a star for effort, Martin.
Though, it still seems a little ambiguous.
Action speaks sooooo much louder than words!
Like I said in countless other threads, my NS6 is in the closet.
If there should EVER be an ITCH worth using, I'll take it out and dust it off.
However, something tells me it'll be in there for a while.
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I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put it into our product back log.Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future,
Hmm.
You get a star for effort, Martin.
Though, it still seems a little ambiguous.
Action speaks sooooo much louder than words!
Like I said in countless other threads, my NS6 is in the closet.
If there should EVER be an ITCH worth using, I'll take it out and dust it off.
However, something tells me it'll be in there for a while.
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blackavenger
5:52 AM - 20 August, 2012
Perhaps you should read Martin's "full" post, DJ Lee71
This is a thread for speculation........... and "venting", LOL!
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Also, what is up with ITCH not working with 3rd Gen PC i7 processor/Chip sets?Perhaps you should read Martin's "full" post, DJ Lee71
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If you are having a specific problem with ITCH or your controller please make a separate help request here so we can try and assist you with your issues as best we can: serato.comThis is a thread for speculation........... and "venting", LOL!
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ImShifty
5:58 AM - 20 August, 2012
I tested it with a demo of traktor on a PC test box I use for such things, it worked perfectly. It wouldn't do the entire db on my Mac in one shot, but crate by crate was ok, except wihen subcrates existed, in which case subcrate by subcrate worked fine.
It did not port over the Group field either time, which I use as a second comments section. I researched that, and it seems that's a known issue. If you have a second computer to test on, I suggest trying that first as it seems it's inconsistent from user to user.
You will have to move your music if you test or the import fails. Copy it, don't just plug in your working collection as it strips out metadata from the music files (this did *not* damage my Itch db, however; all info was retained, but play it safe). You can use the output file created by your test in your actual install if you go that route.
Bottom line: it's a little bit of work, but not too bad. However, if you plan on using both softwares, I personally would update both manually unless you make new crates for new music. I don't think exporting an existing updated crate is the greatest way to do it, but that's just me. Traktor does take snapshots of your Playlists, so even if it does get screwed up, you can revert to the former version and figure out what went worng after.
appreciate the write up, thx
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well shit thx for clearing that up..and here I thought I was going to have an easy transition to traktorI tested it with a demo of traktor on a PC test box I use for such things, it worked perfectly. It wouldn't do the entire db on my Mac in one shot, but crate by crate was ok, except wihen subcrates existed, in which case subcrate by subcrate worked fine.
It did not port over the Group field either time, which I use as a second comments section. I researched that, and it seems that's a known issue. If you have a second computer to test on, I suggest trying that first as it seems it's inconsistent from user to user.
You will have to move your music if you test or the import fails. Copy it, don't just plug in your working collection as it strips out metadata from the music files (this did *not* damage my Itch db, however; all info was retained, but play it safe). You can use the output file created by your test in your actual install if you go that route.
Bottom line: it's a little bit of work, but not too bad. However, if you plan on using both softwares, I personally would update both manually unless you make new crates for new music. I don't think exporting an existing updated crate is the greatest way to do it, but that's just me. Traktor does take snapshots of your Playlists, so even if it does get screwed up, you can revert to the former version and figure out what went worng after.
appreciate the write up, thx
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Nonnus
8:58 AM - 20 August, 2012
Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.
yawn, just another boilerplate reply like all the others before...
did it really take more than 2 weeks to write it down?
you are not even trying to pretend to take itch users seriously anymore
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I understand there are some long standing feature requests and improvements for the way ITCH currently is. I can assure these aren't forgotten and what you guys post on the forum is not ignored, we take as many ideas/feature improvements on board as we can, and put it into our product back log.Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.
yawn, just another boilerplate reply like all the others before...
did it really take more than 2 weeks to write it down?
you are not even trying to pretend to take itch users seriously anymore
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Markabre
10:05 AM - 20 August, 2012
did it really take more than 2 weeks to write it down?
you are not even trying to pretend to take itch users seriously anymore
Vague and boilerplate it may be, but it's more appreciated than the relative silence we've had on the matter in the last handful of months. That may be all he's authorised to share and whoever is to blame for the terrible level of communication may well lay higher up the food chain.
Still can't believe we haven't seen a beta yet. I swear I remember reading somewhere that the foundation they'd put in place in 2.0 would allow updates to pop up in next to no time.
When they finally get this update out, then the proof will be in the pudding. It may genuinely improve things or it might just make it clear that it's time to start looking a little closer at alternatives.
If this update is only throwing a crumb to a starving crowd then they really need to do a preview of "the next big thing" software-wise because people are moving on.
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Yawn, just another boilerplate reply like all the others before...did it really take more than 2 weeks to write it down?
you are not even trying to pretend to take itch users seriously anymore
Vague and boilerplate it may be, but it's more appreciated than the relative silence we've had on the matter in the last handful of months. That may be all he's authorised to share and whoever is to blame for the terrible level of communication may well lay higher up the food chain.
Still can't believe we haven't seen a beta yet. I swear I remember reading somewhere that the foundation they'd put in place in 2.0 would allow updates to pop up in next to no time.
When they finally get this update out, then the proof will be in the pudding. It may genuinely improve things or it might just make it clear that it's time to start looking a little closer at alternatives.
If this update is only throwing a crumb to a starving crowd then they really need to do a preview of "the next big thing" software-wise because people are moving on.
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toi
10:24 AM - 20 August, 2012
Finally some response.. glad to hear serato is still working on it!
I never really understood the concept behind non-informing the community about any process, but since I've always loved ID softwares games, I'm used to that entire "It's done, when it's done" type of thing ;)
Probably easier for serato to not have any deadlines pressuring the development since that's where most bugs find their way into code. Just let us know something's being done, take your time and surprise us with a great update.
I never really understood the concept behind non-informing the community about any process, but since I've always loved ID softwares games, I'm used to that entire "It's done, when it's done" type of thing ;)
Probably easier for serato to not have any deadlines pressuring the development since that's where most bugs find their way into code. Just let us know something's being done, take your time and surprise us with a great update.
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Markabre
10:50 AM - 20 August, 2012
Oh it would appear that the next version is being referred to as 2.2.2 rather than 2.3 serato.com
So I'm not getting my hopes up for anything significant that'll bring itch ahead of the curve (or in the same postal code as the curve). Mainly just the bug fixes we should have had nearly 3 months ago. Woo!
So I'm not getting my hopes up for anything significant that'll bring itch ahead of the curve (or in the same postal code as the curve). Mainly just the bug fixes we should have had nearly 3 months ago. Woo!
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blackavenger
1:45 PM - 20 August, 2012
Out of curiosity, it might be good to test ITCH 2.2.1, although this version is not supported for the VCI-300, if you are able to confirm that it installs, then I can be more confident that ITCH 2.2.2 will actually work for you.
Yup, just another "maintenance" release......pffft!
What, do we have to wait another 6 months before feature requests start roll roll out?
STOP RELEASING NEW HARDWARE...........PERFECT THE SOFTWARE FIRST!!!!
You know, I have been a Serato user for over 6 years now. I remember when ScratchLIVE was just a basic Vinyl Emulator. It seemed like every few months some new useful feature was introduced, and that lasted for several years.......that was such an exciting time!
It really pains me to be so cynical about the software that Serato has been releasing for the past couple years. I'm not just some HATER. No, I know very well what Serato used to be capable of, and that's why I am so harsh on their lack of innovation lately.
Perhaps the Rolls-Royce's have gotten to their heads, and they feel they don't need to be at the cutting edge anymore?
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The good news though, ITCH 2.2.2 is just around the corner, and will be in public beta pretty soon. I will make certain you will be able to test this version as soon as it is released.Out of curiosity, it might be good to test ITCH 2.2.1, although this version is not supported for the VCI-300, if you are able to confirm that it installs, then I can be more confident that ITCH 2.2.2 will actually work for you.
Yup, just another "maintenance" release......pffft!
What, do we have to wait another 6 months before feature requests start roll roll out?
STOP RELEASING NEW HARDWARE...........PERFECT THE SOFTWARE FIRST!!!!
You know, I have been a Serato user for over 6 years now. I remember when ScratchLIVE was just a basic Vinyl Emulator. It seemed like every few months some new useful feature was introduced, and that lasted for several years.......that was such an exciting time!
It really pains me to be so cynical about the software that Serato has been releasing for the past couple years. I'm not just some HATER. No, I know very well what Serato used to be capable of, and that's why I am so harsh on their lack of innovation lately.
Perhaps the Rolls-Royce's have gotten to their heads, and they feel they don't need to be at the cutting edge anymore?
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DJ CAPRO
2:01 PM - 20 August, 2012
looking forward to the next version with hope
but if the effects aren't acknowledged this time i give up
but if the effects aren't acknowledged this time i give up
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Markabre
2:40 PM - 20 August, 2012
I'd be happy with the innovations they provided SSL users with yesteryear.
If we can just get Bridge, then if Serato's not interested in investing an appropriate amount in Itch, it could at least allow Ableton to take up the slack and allow us the flexibility to work on creative workarounds.
There is either a huge game changing project in the works, taking up all Serato's resources or there's some serious mismanagement/business model problems going on somewhere.
They should either keep their hands tight on Itch's reins and provide timely maintenance ,at the very leas,t or loosen their grip and open Itch up to third parties to add in the features we want and they won't or can't provide.
If we've waiting this long for them just to deliver Itch 2.2.2 with the bug fixes any responsible developer would have provided months ago with a few token tweaks then i'm start going to be eyeing that EG edition VCI-400 a lot more closely.
With OSX moving to annual updates and Serato's competitors upping their pace in the age of the App store, Serato's glacial update pace concerns me. The Itch platform might not be able to cut it in the long term if things stay this way.
If we can just get Bridge, then if Serato's not interested in investing an appropriate amount in Itch, it could at least allow Ableton to take up the slack and allow us the flexibility to work on creative workarounds.
There is either a huge game changing project in the works, taking up all Serato's resources or there's some serious mismanagement/business model problems going on somewhere.
They should either keep their hands tight on Itch's reins and provide timely maintenance ,at the very leas,t or loosen their grip and open Itch up to third parties to add in the features we want and they won't or can't provide.
If we've waiting this long for them just to deliver Itch 2.2.2 with the bug fixes any responsible developer would have provided months ago with a few token tweaks then i'm start going to be eyeing that EG edition VCI-400 a lot more closely.
With OSX moving to annual updates and Serato's competitors upping their pace in the age of the App store, Serato's glacial update pace concerns me. The Itch platform might not be able to cut it in the long term if things stay this way.
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LEDPaint
3:30 PM - 20 August, 2012
Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Can we have an estimate as to when a beta *might* become available?
Such as?
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Development does take a bit of time and we do our best to try and do things right. The next version of ITCH is not as far off as you would think, and contains many bug fixes and a couple of new things too :)
Can we have an estimate as to when a beta *might* become available?
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Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.Such as?
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Markabre
3:46 PM - 20 August, 2012
The sun may be on the horizon but no amount of walking or waiting is ever going to be me there. :P
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Other things you guys have mentioned are on the horizon and many of them will be taking place in the not too distant future, so please hold tight.The sun may be on the horizon but no amount of walking or waiting is ever going to be me there. :P
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Nonnus
4:28 PM - 20 August, 2012
this is about the best graphic description of any "faith" about serato ever getting back on track with itch, big kudos for nailing it ;)
the problem is that after all the radio silence for months, it makes no sense to keep repeating their usual statements over and over again... just makes it feel even shallower...
like some ppl here, i once was led to believe anything was about to change with statements like this, like many older users, i dont anymore...
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The sun may be on the horizon but no amount of walking or waiting is ever going to be me there. :Pthis is about the best graphic description of any "faith" about serato ever getting back on track with itch, big kudos for nailing it ;)
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Vague and boilerplate it may be, but it's more appreciated than the relative silence we've had on the matter in the last handful of months.the problem is that after all the radio silence for months, it makes no sense to keep repeating their usual statements over and over again... just makes it feel even shallower...
like some ppl here, i once was led to believe anything was about to change with statements like this, like many older users, i dont anymore...
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Markabre
5:11 PM - 20 August, 2012
the problem is that after all the radio silence for months, it makes no sense to keep repeating their usual statements over and over again... just makes it feel even shallower...
like some ppl here, i once was led to believe anything was about to change with statements like this, like many older users, i dont anymore...
The mind truly does boggle at just what they've been doing all this time. They really are leaving the door way open for a new or existing hungrier competitor to just wipe them off the board.
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the problem is that after all the radio silence for months, it makes no sense to keep repeating their usual statements over and over again... just makes it feel even shallower...
like some ppl here, i once was led to believe anything was about to change with statements like this, like many older users, i dont anymore...
The mind truly does boggle at just what they've been doing all this time. They really are leaving the door way open for a new or existing hungrier competitor to just wipe them off the board.
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Dj Fitty
10:03 PM - 20 August, 2012
Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
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It would be great if Serato would pull their finger out.Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
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Dj Fitty
10:09 PM - 20 August, 2012
Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
Haha old post
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It would be great if Serato would pull their finger out.Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
Haha old post
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ImShifty
10:26 PM - 20 August, 2012
gotta say...love the energy you guys put into lobbying for this company, I gave up awhile ago but then again I havent invested much into itch ever since seeing what a disaster 2.0 was lol
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Markabre
10:46 PM - 20 August, 2012
Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
A) Because I've already sunk a buttload of cash and time into an Itch-based setup in the dire hope that they'll actually deliver.
B) I do actually like the bare-bones foundation that Serato, unfortunately, have hardly built on over the years.
C) I totally saw the "If you love Djay so much, why don't you just go and marry it!?" retorts coming. That's why I made it clear that I was just comparing progress of DJ software companies of arguably comparable size. I did say they weren't direct competitors as they both target different demographics within the same industry.
I would however, be rather surprised if Serato didn't make at least as much money from licensing their software out to some of the biggest names in Pro DJ gear as Algoriddim do for their $7 per unit.
Just seems to me like a developer that's working on something considered by many to be a toy appears to be taking a lot more pride in their work than the Pros. That doesn't make me feel great about investing $1000+ in a platform.
Oh and.. D) As a matter of fact, I do use Djay. I keep it installed just in case Itch flips a shit that a quick restart won't fix and I need music pronto. In the event of a total controller or laptop failure I keep an Emergency iPad with Djay installed in my bag. Sneer at it if you must but any pro dj comes with several levels of redundancy, even ones that travel light.
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It would be great if Serato would pull their finger out.Not a single bug fix in the 10 weeks since the VCI-380 was given a pretty buggy release. It even appeared that the 380 was delayed a number of weeks while they waited for the software to be ready.
In the same timeframe Algoriddim (a company I expect to be of a similar size, not necessarily a direct competitor) have:
-Added Mountain Lion support, Retina display support, Numerous fixes and enhancements to DJay for Mac.
-Launched an innovative, entirely new VJay app for the iPad and released an update not only with bug fixes but significant new features and enhancements based on feedback from the forums.
-Updated DJay for iPad adding several new features and enhancements.
These are products that are sold for a measly $10 and supported for a significant time afterwards.
I do really hope that whatever is in Serato's oven is worth the wait. If in a month or two they just release the bug fixes that should have come a long time ago that's pretty pathetic.
Well why are you here and not using Djay at,your gigs?
A) Because I've already sunk a buttload of cash and time into an Itch-based setup in the dire hope that they'll actually deliver.
B) I do actually like the bare-bones foundation that Serato, unfortunately, have hardly built on over the years.
C) I totally saw the "If you love Djay so much, why don't you just go and marry it!?" retorts coming. That's why I made it clear that I was just comparing progress of DJ software companies of arguably comparable size. I did say they weren't direct competitors as they both target different demographics within the same industry.
I would however, be rather surprised if Serato didn't make at least as much money from licensing their software out to some of the biggest names in Pro DJ gear as Algoriddim do for their $7 per unit.
Just seems to me like a developer that's working on something considered by many to be a toy appears to be taking a lot more pride in their work than the Pros. That doesn't make me feel great about investing $1000+ in a platform.
Oh and.. D) As a matter of fact, I do use Djay. I keep it installed just in case Itch flips a shit that a quick restart won't fix and I need music pronto. In the event of a total controller or laptop failure I keep an Emergency iPad with Djay installed in my bag. Sneer at it if you must but any pro dj comes with several levels of redundancy, even ones that travel light.
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Martin C
1:54 AM - 21 August, 2012
Hey Guys,
I know my comment may come across as a very standard response to some of you forum regulars, but I can truly not elaborate any more than that.
I would love to tell you what will be happening in the next release, but its always best that we keep details under wraps until we are closer to release time. If I were to tell you guys about something that might not make it into this version, I would be giving you false hope about a software that might not make it till a later release.
For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.
I know my comment may come across as a very standard response to some of you forum regulars, but I can truly not elaborate any more than that.
I would love to tell you what will be happening in the next release, but its always best that we keep details under wraps until we are closer to release time. If I were to tell you guys about something that might not make it into this version, I would be giving you false hope about a software that might not make it till a later release.
For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.
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djemdub
3:36 AM - 21 August, 2012
I know my comment may come across as a very standard response to some of you forum regulars, but I can truly not elaborate any more than that.
I would love to tell you what will be happening in the next release, but its always best that we keep details under wraps until we are closer to release time. If I were to tell you guys about something that might not make it into this version, I would be giving you false hope about a software change that might not make it till a later release.
For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.
my hopes are really up Martin!I hope it comes really soon!
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Hey Guys,I know my comment may come across as a very standard response to some of you forum regulars, but I can truly not elaborate any more than that.
I would love to tell you what will be happening in the next release, but its always best that we keep details under wraps until we are closer to release time. If I were to tell you guys about something that might not make it into this version, I would be giving you false hope about a software change that might not make it till a later release.
For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.
my hopes are really up Martin!I hope it comes really soon!
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maarawoe
1:41 PM - 21 August, 2012
Thanks but now -honestly - Is there something "breathtaking" or something that really worth such waiting??
Why even it takes too long?
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ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.Thanks but now -honestly - Is there something "breathtaking" or something that really worth such waiting??
Why even it takes too long?
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LJ_WOOLSEY
2:00 PM - 21 August, 2012
looks like its 2.2.2 so that will be a bug release version but i would also guess it will have the Serato Video update init aswel.
I don't think you will see new fx and keylock until a big feat build like 2.5 or 3.0
But lets face it to wow all these users serato have got to think outside the box and do something that no one else is if they want tobe on top again.
I don't think you will see new fx and keylock until a big feat build like 2.5 or 3.0
But lets face it to wow all these users serato have got to think outside the box and do something that no one else is if they want tobe on top again.
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Markabre
2:11 PM - 21 August, 2012
Thanks but now -honestly - Is there something "breathtaking" or something that really worth such waiting??
Why even it takes too long?
Increasingly unlikely if it's being referred to as 2.2.2 rather than 2.3. I cannot comprehend why it's taken so long either.
My optimistic side tells me they're working on rolling out Bridge as soon as Live 8.4 hits but let's face it...Mountain Lion Betas were available back in February and here we are waiting on bug fixes.
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ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.Thanks but now -honestly - Is there something "breathtaking" or something that really worth such waiting??
Why even it takes too long?
Increasingly unlikely if it's being referred to as 2.2.2 rather than 2.3. I cannot comprehend why it's taken so long either.
My optimistic side tells me they're working on rolling out Bridge as soon as Live 8.4 hits but let's face it...Mountain Lion Betas were available back in February and here we are waiting on bug fixes.
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maarawoe
2:24 PM - 21 August, 2012
Screw the video.... :-( If its true I really don't understand why they spent a time on such bull**** feature like video for a dj system...
When there are ambitions for an almighty system doing everything, it always sucks whether its serato, ableton, traktor, resolume etc. ...... Only a highly profiled systems works and spending time on such "marketing glistering features" is only a prove of a management fail. :-(
Just look around the forum and make a list of top most wanted features as this is what your REAL users want and what they are willing to pay for....- yes - it as easy.... And what did we get? The video....-thats cool - there are millions of breakbeat and experimental video clips.....
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looks like its 2.2.2 so that will be a bug release version but i would also guess it will have the Serato Video update init aswel.Screw the video.... :-( If its true I really don't understand why they spent a time on such bull**** feature like video for a dj system...
When there are ambitions for an almighty system doing everything, it always sucks whether its serato, ableton, traktor, resolume etc. ...... Only a highly profiled systems works and spending time on such "marketing glistering features" is only a prove of a management fail. :-(
Just look around the forum and make a list of top most wanted features as this is what your REAL users want and what they are willing to pay for....- yes - it as easy.... And what did we get? The video....-thats cool - there are millions of breakbeat and experimental video clips.....
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maarawoe
2:29 PM - 21 August, 2012
let's face it...Mountain Lion Betas were available back in February and here we are waiting on bug fixes
You are right - I just would like to add that I don't understad that such major feature from the Scratch is not in the Itch... The scratch and Itch should share the same core/engine as they in fact work the same way and in that case there is no excuse for leaving such feature like the Bridge.
If they do not share the same engine, there is no excuse for keeping such a programmer as developing two similar softwares which are in fact completely different is throwing a money from the window...and thats probably a reason why Native Instruments have only one product on which they can focus all their resources....
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let's face it...Mountain Lion Betas were available back in February and here we are waiting on bug fixes
You are right - I just would like to add that I don't understad that such major feature from the Scratch is not in the Itch... The scratch and Itch should share the same core/engine as they in fact work the same way and in that case there is no excuse for leaving such feature like the Bridge.
If they do not share the same engine, there is no excuse for keeping such a programmer as developing two similar softwares which are in fact completely different is throwing a money from the window...and thats probably a reason why Native Instruments have only one product on which they can focus all their resources....
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Markabre
4:27 PM - 21 August, 2012
Live 8.4 will be 64-bit therefore it requires 64-bit plug-ins and breaks compatibility with SSL's current implementation of Bridge.
I can understand that Serato wouldn't want to launch Bridge for itch with a big song and dance only for it to be broken in little to no time.
SSL users aren't going to be happy about a broken Bridge or having to stick with an old copy of Ableton for too long. It would appear from the general sentiment on this forum that SSL users are a bigger priority than Itch users.
If Serato need to rework the underpinnings of Bridge significantly to get it working for 8.4 then i'm really hoping they use the opportunity to work in compatibility with Itch.
Whether the launch of 64-bit compatible bridge and Bridge for Itch are simultaneous, like Serato Video, is anyones guess. But experience teaches me to suppress my optimism.
I can understand that Serato wouldn't want to launch Bridge for itch with a big song and dance only for it to be broken in little to no time.
SSL users aren't going to be happy about a broken Bridge or having to stick with an old copy of Ableton for too long. It would appear from the general sentiment on this forum that SSL users are a bigger priority than Itch users.
If Serato need to rework the underpinnings of Bridge significantly to get it working for 8.4 then i'm really hoping they use the opportunity to work in compatibility with Itch.
Whether the launch of 64-bit compatible bridge and Bridge for Itch are simultaneous, like Serato Video, is anyones guess. But experience teaches me to suppress my optimism.
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Markabre
4:44 PM - 21 August, 2012
Okay, I take it back serato.com
As of last month, The Bridge is not a priority at Serato. But they will continue support pre 8.4 versions. It's pretty vague whether Bridge will return or if something new will eventually replace it
So nearly three months after the buggy VCI-380 launch and no new release..it really begs the question... what the hell is a priority at Serato right now?
As of last month, The Bridge is not a priority at Serato. But they will continue support pre 8.4 versions. It's pretty vague whether Bridge will return or if something new will eventually replace it
So nearly three months after the buggy VCI-380 launch and no new release..it really begs the question... what the hell is a priority at Serato right now?
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wadup
5:08 PM - 21 August, 2012
dude i'm sure your point is made...but really im tired of seeing you post the same thing over and over , its very annoying
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Markabre
5:14 PM - 21 August, 2012
I've not mentioned Live 8.4 64-BIt breaking Bridge before as I've only recently been reading about it. As my entire post was centred around that, no it's not a repeat.
It's true that a recurring theme of mine is frustration over lack of updates. But that's also a recurring theme of this entire forum.
It's true that a recurring theme of mine is frustration over lack of updates. But that's also a recurring theme of this entire forum.
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wadup
5:24 PM - 21 August, 2012
It's true that a recurring theme of mine is frustration over lack of updates. But that's also a recurring theme of this entire forum.
this is what i was pointing to...i have no doubt you will be a happy customer, also it was mention by a serato supporter that its "very soon" to be in public beta, also the VERY was highlighted so you know they are close, so just relax
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It's true that a recurring theme of mine is frustration over lack of updates. But that's also a recurring theme of this entire forum.
this is what i was pointing to...i have no doubt you will be a happy customer, also it was mention by a serato supporter that its "very soon" to be in public beta, also the VERY was highlighted so you know they are close, so just relax
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DJ CAPRO
5:32 PM - 21 August, 2012
There was a long period of waiting with nothing at all so I don't blame guys like Markabre for consistently holding fort with their opinion. It's never derogatory or offensive and is pretty much focused towards getting Serato moving again when all evidence points to them lapsing away...
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this is what i was pointing to...i have no doubt you will be a happy customer, also it was mention by a serato supporter that its "very soon" to be in public beta, also the VERY was highlighted so you know they are close, so just relaxThere was a long period of waiting with nothing at all so I don't blame guys like Markabre for consistently holding fort with their opinion. It's never derogatory or offensive and is pretty much focused towards getting Serato moving again when all evidence points to them lapsing away...
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Markabre
7:22 PM - 21 August, 2012
If the next release is simply the bug fixes the 380 users should have had months ago and little else we're going to be left scratching our heads over what took so long and what the problems is. Even more so for the non-380 users.
The fact that the next version has been referred to as 2.2.2 would suggest as much.
The VCI-300 and NS7 were the pillars on which Itch was built and for a time there was innovation.
Vestax have played to their strengths and put in a lot of work to make the VCI-380 hardware compelling. It's the successor to what is likely itch's most popular flagship controller and rather than a start a second renaissance, Serato not only delivers a delayed and buggy version but then don't offer an update for three months, maybe more. Neither do they support an OS that's been in Beta since February.
I am not the only one that thinks there's something wrong with that. It's not ok, when supporting products this expensive and potentially critical to careers.
As wonderful as it would be if Serato delivers a beta this week, I still have grave concerns about Itch's long term maintenance and future as a competitive platform. Something just doesn't sit right.
The proof will be in the pudding. So ok, I pinky-promise not to go on another big rant until Serato deliver some new code to play with.
The fact that the next version has been referred to as 2.2.2 would suggest as much.
The VCI-300 and NS7 were the pillars on which Itch was built and for a time there was innovation.
Vestax have played to their strengths and put in a lot of work to make the VCI-380 hardware compelling. It's the successor to what is likely itch's most popular flagship controller and rather than a start a second renaissance, Serato not only delivers a delayed and buggy version but then don't offer an update for three months, maybe more. Neither do they support an OS that's been in Beta since February.
I am not the only one that thinks there's something wrong with that. It's not ok, when supporting products this expensive and potentially critical to careers.
As wonderful as it would be if Serato delivers a beta this week, I still have grave concerns about Itch's long term maintenance and future as a competitive platform. Something just doesn't sit right.
The proof will be in the pudding. So ok, I pinky-promise not to go on another big rant until Serato deliver some new code to play with.
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blackavenger
7:26 PM - 21 August, 2012
This.
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As wonderful as it would be if Serato delivers a beta this week, I still have grave concerns about Itch's long term maintenance and future as a competitive platform. Something just doesn't sit right.This.
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LEDPaint
7:59 PM - 21 August, 2012
If you look in their Jobs section, there's three openings for coders and QA. Looks like they know they need more heads. Problem is:
"All applicants MUST be legally entitled to work in New Zealand (this means having NZ citizenship, permanent residency or a current work permit) and be willing to relocate to Auckland if necessary."
In a country of 4.4 million people, I'm guessing it's going to be very hard to fill these positions.
"All applicants MUST be legally entitled to work in New Zealand (this means having NZ citizenship, permanent residency or a current work permit) and be willing to relocate to Auckland if necessary."
In a country of 4.4 million people, I'm guessing it's going to be very hard to fill these positions.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
8:59 PM - 21 August, 2012
"All applicants MUST be legally entitled to work in New Zealand (this means having NZ citizenship, permanent residency or a current work permit) and be willing to relocate to Auckland if necessary."
In a country of 4.4 million people, I'm guessing it's going to be very hard to fill these positions.
Just nailed it on the head!!! fuck sake serato Move to Europe! or at least open a dev branch at rane in the US! Get some real coders on it!!!
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If you look in their Jobs section, there's three openings for coders and QA. Looks like they know they need more heads. Problem is:"All applicants MUST be legally entitled to work in New Zealand (this means having NZ citizenship, permanent residency or a current work permit) and be willing to relocate to Auckland if necessary."
In a country of 4.4 million people, I'm guessing it's going to be very hard to fill these positions.
Just nailed it on the head!!! fuck sake serato Move to Europe! or at least open a dev branch at rane in the US! Get some real coders on it!!!
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Zerofaith
9:23 PM - 21 August, 2012
I love when a official person come into a forum and say Very soon, what does that mean? I mean i usually give my customers pretty solid estimates and sometimes i even release stuff earlier and make them happy.
Very soon? lol thats just stupid, thats just going to give you more heat from the customers by getting them come back here expecting the Very soon to be the next 5 minutes.
I really hope its worth the wait i wouldnt trust Serato in a live event just yet since im in love with my new MB Pro retina.
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For that same reason we can't just hand out beta software, but as I said, ITCH will be in public beta very soon, and you will have an opportunity to try it, and check out the changes and bug fixes.I love when a official person come into a forum and say Very soon, what does that mean? I mean i usually give my customers pretty solid estimates and sometimes i even release stuff earlier and make them happy.
Very soon? lol thats just stupid, thats just going to give you more heat from the customers by getting them come back here expecting the Very soon to be the next 5 minutes.
I really hope its worth the wait i wouldnt trust Serato in a live event just yet since im in love with my new MB Pro retina.
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Markabre
9:23 PM - 21 August, 2012
Peter Jackson better not be poaching Serato employees for some hare-brained project at Weta.
Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
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Zerofaith
9:26 PM - 21 August, 2012
Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
Thats just to funny :)
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Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
Thats just to funny :)
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Samuel S
9:35 PM - 21 August, 2012
Come on guys, we have real developers here in New Zealand as well. Lets not let this get into a discussion about whose country has the best software engineers.
Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
We are working on updates guys. I'm sorry that we can't tell you our full roadmap. As Martin has mentioned, I really wish we could. You haven't been forgotten and there are plans in place to deliver what you have been asking for, we just can't let you guys know exactly what they are at this stage.
There will be a public beta available for ITCH soon which has some new features and a good deal of maintenance, as well as support for a new video update. The reason I say soon is that I actually don't know exactly when this will be available. It's a call that is made by the team when they are confident it's ready. Public beta doesn't mean we put out unfinished software to test, by this stage we hope to have shippable product and use the beta as a final quality check. It isn't far away though at all now.
This project isn't being worked on by our entire team though either and development work is essentially done. It's just a small team looking after the beta areas now and fixing bugs, which is really only a couple of people. The rest of the company is working on other updates to our software and many of the things you guys have been asking for and that you will be happy with which I can't share with you at this stage.
I'm sorry this thread has been pretty quiet from our side. I'm happy to stay in here though and keep answering questions :)
Cheers,
Sam.
Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
We are working on updates guys. I'm sorry that we can't tell you our full roadmap. As Martin has mentioned, I really wish we could. You haven't been forgotten and there are plans in place to deliver what you have been asking for, we just can't let you guys know exactly what they are at this stage.
There will be a public beta available for ITCH soon which has some new features and a good deal of maintenance, as well as support for a new video update. The reason I say soon is that I actually don't know exactly when this will be available. It's a call that is made by the team when they are confident it's ready. Public beta doesn't mean we put out unfinished software to test, by this stage we hope to have shippable product and use the beta as a final quality check. It isn't far away though at all now.
This project isn't being worked on by our entire team though either and development work is essentially done. It's just a small team looking after the beta areas now and fixing bugs, which is really only a couple of people. The rest of the company is working on other updates to our software and many of the things you guys have been asking for and that you will be happy with which I can't share with you at this stage.
I'm sorry this thread has been pretty quiet from our side. I'm happy to stay in here though and keep answering questions :)
Cheers,
Sam.
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LEDPaint
9:41 PM - 21 August, 2012
Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
Very first point on the article; now I know why every New Zealander I've ever met is so laid back.
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Peter Jackson better not be poaching Serato employees for some hare-brained project at Weta.Unfortunately I think we have our answer right at the top of this list: www.anewzealand.com :P
Very first point on the article; now I know why every New Zealander I've ever met is so laid back.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
10:28 PM - 21 August, 2012
Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
Microsoft/Apple... ERM lol But we are not saying that just that you need more and obviously can not find more ppl in New Zealand, So having an office in the usa at Rane would help everyone so much more.
But anyway yes we look foward to the bug fixes and serato video update.
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Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
Microsoft/Apple... ERM lol But we are not saying that just that you need more and obviously can not find more ppl in New Zealand, So having an office in the usa at Rane would help everyone so much more.
But anyway yes we look foward to the bug fixes and serato video update.
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Zerofaith
10:59 PM - 21 August, 2012
Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
We are working on updates guys. I'm sorry that we can't tell you our full roadmap. As Martin has mentioned, I really wish we could. You haven't been forgotten and there are plans in place to deliver what you have been asking for, we just can't let you guys know exactly what they are at this stage.
There will be a public beta available for ITCH soon which has some new features and a good deal of maintenance, as well as support for a new video update. The reason I say soon is that I actually don't know exactly when this will be available. It's a call that is made by the team when they are confident it's ready. Public beta doesn't mean we put out unfinished software to test, by this stage we hope to have shippable product and use the beta as a final quality check. It isn't far away though at all now.
This project isn't being worked on by our entire team though either and development work is essentially done. It's just a small team looking after the beta areas now and fixing bugs, which is really only a couple of people. The rest of the company is working on other updates to our software and many of the things you guys have been asking for and that you will be happy with which I can't share with you at this stage.
I'm sorry this thread has been pretty quiet from our side. I'm happy to stay in here though and keep answering questions :)
Cheers,
Sam.
Thank you for taking your time to write us something.
Its a lot better to see what you write and also se that you put some effort into it mainly by being to the point and writing a small explanation in a understandable way.
By just writing, we have a new build we will soonish put out to open beta stay tuned for more info is not helping but your post is. Thank you again for giving us some real insight. Atleast we know its not next year soonish now ;)
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Come on guys, we have real developers here in New Zealand as well. Lets not let this get into a discussion about whose country has the best software engineers.Yes, in a small country there is obviously a much smaller pool to pick from. I think it's naive to think that this means that New Zealanders are inferior developers because of this.
We are working on updates guys. I'm sorry that we can't tell you our full roadmap. As Martin has mentioned, I really wish we could. You haven't been forgotten and there are plans in place to deliver what you have been asking for, we just can't let you guys know exactly what they are at this stage.
There will be a public beta available for ITCH soon which has some new features and a good deal of maintenance, as well as support for a new video update. The reason I say soon is that I actually don't know exactly when this will be available. It's a call that is made by the team when they are confident it's ready. Public beta doesn't mean we put out unfinished software to test, by this stage we hope to have shippable product and use the beta as a final quality check. It isn't far away though at all now.
This project isn't being worked on by our entire team though either and development work is essentially done. It's just a small team looking after the beta areas now and fixing bugs, which is really only a couple of people. The rest of the company is working on other updates to our software and many of the things you guys have been asking for and that you will be happy with which I can't share with you at this stage.
I'm sorry this thread has been pretty quiet from our side. I'm happy to stay in here though and keep answering questions :)
Cheers,
Sam.
Thank you for taking your time to write us something.
Its a lot better to see what you write and also se that you put some effort into it mainly by being to the point and writing a small explanation in a understandable way.
By just writing, we have a new build we will soonish put out to open beta stay tuned for more info is not helping but your post is. Thank you again for giving us some real insight. Atleast we know its not next year soonish now ;)
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Samuel S
11:14 PM - 21 August, 2012
Who said we can't find more people here :) There are ads up yes, and i'm sure they are getting a lot of responses from talented people.
Sorry Woolsey, i'm not trying to have a fight on here about this. Yes, we would love to have offices around the world and I hope one day we do. We are just a small New Zealand based company at this stage and it's just not a feasible thing for us to do. It's not just "setting up an office and hiring people" that will deliver the answers for everything.
We have people working remotely from overseas currently. The trouble with getting development done this way is that our software engineers work in close teams alongside our support people, testers, product planners etc. If you think updates take a long time to be released now. The extra communication issues that would be introduced from remote development teams would mean this would take even longer.
It's something we'd love to be able to do one day in the future. It would be rad to be able to employ people overseas and have a really great diverse staff with different skills and ideas they could bring to the table :) It is just not at all the priority at this stage as i'm sure you guys can understand.
Sam.
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obviously can not find more ppl in New ZealandWho said we can't find more people here :) There are ads up yes, and i'm sure they are getting a lot of responses from talented people.
Sorry Woolsey, i'm not trying to have a fight on here about this. Yes, we would love to have offices around the world and I hope one day we do. We are just a small New Zealand based company at this stage and it's just not a feasible thing for us to do. It's not just "setting up an office and hiring people" that will deliver the answers for everything.
We have people working remotely from overseas currently. The trouble with getting development done this way is that our software engineers work in close teams alongside our support people, testers, product planners etc. If you think updates take a long time to be released now. The extra communication issues that would be introduced from remote development teams would mean this would take even longer.
It's something we'd love to be able to do one day in the future. It would be rad to be able to employ people overseas and have a really great diverse staff with different skills and ideas they could bring to the table :) It is just not at all the priority at this stage as i'm sure you guys can understand.
Sam.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
11:34 PM - 21 August, 2012
ya i understand, i guess we are just soooo frustrated that serato has become known as slow and buggy unlike the old days of cutting edge and rock solid stable software, and with other players now taking over and new comers fixing issues and having newer features quicker it just gets frustrating.
At times i think serato got to big! The Bridge Itch and DJ intro should never of happened and serato should have stuck with ssl but just spent all that time they did on the above on making good midi in and out and make the sp-6 do alot more like the bridge.
i am still happy with ssl just wish it had midi out and be more stable with an upgrade to the library.
But itch need alot of work and fine tuning.
At times i think serato got to big! The Bridge Itch and DJ intro should never of happened and serato should have stuck with ssl but just spent all that time they did on the above on making good midi in and out and make the sp-6 do alot more like the bridge.
i am still happy with ssl just wish it had midi out and be more stable with an upgrade to the library.
But itch need alot of work and fine tuning.
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Samuel S
11:43 PM - 21 August, 2012
Nah that's fair enough. I guess from our end, back then, the updates did come quickly. At the expense of quality though.
This is some of the reason that we have taken so long recently to do updates as we have been re-writing and re-factoring old code in a better format, with higher standards of quality so that it's future proof and doesn't break again when we change something else in the future. Taking the time to do this properly will be beneficial to everyone in the long run. Training new staff, having people leave and growing in size all cause us to slow down but sometimes you have to slow down to be able to speed up (cringe...).
I know it's frustrating that things have slowed down but I hope we can speed up again to the same old pace sometime in the near future. At the same time, we do have some new stuff for you guys that will be ready pretty soon and there is a lot that the teams are working on now and that is planned for the future that we are excited about. Again, sorry to have to be vague, I just can't really share more.
Sam.
This is some of the reason that we have taken so long recently to do updates as we have been re-writing and re-factoring old code in a better format, with higher standards of quality so that it's future proof and doesn't break again when we change something else in the future. Taking the time to do this properly will be beneficial to everyone in the long run. Training new staff, having people leave and growing in size all cause us to slow down but sometimes you have to slow down to be able to speed up (cringe...).
I know it's frustrating that things have slowed down but I hope we can speed up again to the same old pace sometime in the near future. At the same time, we do have some new stuff for you guys that will be ready pretty soon and there is a lot that the teams are working on now and that is planned for the future that we are excited about. Again, sorry to have to be vague, I just can't really share more.
Sam.
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Markabre
11:44 PM - 21 August, 2012
Thank you Samuel. Your posts are appreciated.
I do hope that you guys can start to open up a little more in this kind of fashion with time. Obviously I understand the reluctance for competitive and customer service reasons but there is a fine balance.
Previews would get you guys some nice free column inches too, which can't hurt.
It seems that the general sentiment is that there needs to be something that makes the Itch platform feel alive, buzzing, competitive and progressive again. Your words, at least, give us hope that itch has a future.
The icon series does very little for me, but still, it'd be nice if you could feature one big name that used Itch. If no big names do, then why not!? :P I do hope that Itch can one day stand shoulder to shoulder with SSL instead of being the underachieving bastard brother in the basement!
I do hope that you guys can start to open up a little more in this kind of fashion with time. Obviously I understand the reluctance for competitive and customer service reasons but there is a fine balance.
Previews would get you guys some nice free column inches too, which can't hurt.
It seems that the general sentiment is that there needs to be something that makes the Itch platform feel alive, buzzing, competitive and progressive again. Your words, at least, give us hope that itch has a future.
The icon series does very little for me, but still, it'd be nice if you could feature one big name that used Itch. If no big names do, then why not!? :P I do hope that Itch can one day stand shoulder to shoulder with SSL instead of being the underachieving bastard brother in the basement!
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Samuel S
12:08 AM - 22 August, 2012
We've always been pretty open I think. Part of the lack of communication in here is because there have been people movements in the parts of the company that spend the majority of their time on the forum. The support team has changed quite a bit, there are a bunch of new people who are awesome but don't necessarily feel as confident to jump in and discuss this stuff with you all straight away as you can probably imagine. That will change too, they know about it and are working to communicate with you guys a lot more.
As well as this, we obviously need to be careful about our competitors but also about managing customer expectations of what we say we will deliver. With software development, there are always hurdles you run into, things that come up and circumstances that can change. Because of these things we don't announce our timelines for releases as it's actually pretty ambiguous to us too.
For the Icon series, it's really about championing the artist and should be irrelevant what they use. It's about their story, what they do and why they do it and about creating inspiring stories rather than a sales pitch for a specific product. I know what you are saying though and we are always on the hunt to see who at the top are using controllers. If you have any suggestions of artists to consider please let me know :)
Sam.
As well as this, we obviously need to be careful about our competitors but also about managing customer expectations of what we say we will deliver. With software development, there are always hurdles you run into, things that come up and circumstances that can change. Because of these things we don't announce our timelines for releases as it's actually pretty ambiguous to us too.
For the Icon series, it's really about championing the artist and should be irrelevant what they use. It's about their story, what they do and why they do it and about creating inspiring stories rather than a sales pitch for a specific product. I know what you are saying though and we are always on the hunt to see who at the top are using controllers. If you have any suggestions of artists to consider please let me know :)
Sam.
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AMAD3U5
4:02 AM - 22 August, 2012
As well as this, we obviously need to be careful about our competitors but also about managing customer expectations of what we say we will deliver. With software development, there are always hurdles you run into, things that come up and circumstances that can change. Because of these things we don't announce our timelines for releases as it's actually pretty ambiguous to us too.
For the Icon series, it's really about championing the artist and should be irrelevant what they use. It's about their story, what they do and why they do it and about creating inspiring stories rather than a sales pitch for a specific product. I know what you are saying though and we are always on the hunt to see who at the top are using controllers. If you have any suggestions of artists to consider please let me know :)
Sam.
Hi Sam,
This is exactly what I was waiting for. I for one have faith in ITCH and Serato's ability to bring us the features/fixes we're asking for. I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I suppose for me the frustration lay with the lack of communication; which you've now, effectively, alleviated. Everything you've said makes a lot of sense and explains a lot; particularly the insight to a lot of the code being re-written etc. Anyway, there is a lot of grumbling on here and, for the most part, it's quite understandable. However, I'd just like to say keep up the good work I'm sure your all doing; even if it is super secretive. Anyway, I'm sure you haven't forgotten us ITCH guys.
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We've always been pretty open I think. Part of the lack of communication in here is because there have been people movements in the parts of the company that spend the majority of their time on the forum. The support team has changed quite a bit, there are a bunch of new people who are awesome but don't necessarily feel as confident to jump in and discuss this stuff with you all straight away as you can probably imagine. That will change too, they know about it and are working to communicate with you guys a lot more.As well as this, we obviously need to be careful about our competitors but also about managing customer expectations of what we say we will deliver. With software development, there are always hurdles you run into, things that come up and circumstances that can change. Because of these things we don't announce our timelines for releases as it's actually pretty ambiguous to us too.
For the Icon series, it's really about championing the artist and should be irrelevant what they use. It's about their story, what they do and why they do it and about creating inspiring stories rather than a sales pitch for a specific product. I know what you are saying though and we are always on the hunt to see who at the top are using controllers. If you have any suggestions of artists to consider please let me know :)
Sam.
Hi Sam,
This is exactly what I was waiting for. I for one have faith in ITCH and Serato's ability to bring us the features/fixes we're asking for. I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I suppose for me the frustration lay with the lack of communication; which you've now, effectively, alleviated. Everything you've said makes a lot of sense and explains a lot; particularly the insight to a lot of the code being re-written etc. Anyway, there is a lot of grumbling on here and, for the most part, it's quite understandable. However, I'd just like to say keep up the good work I'm sure your all doing; even if it is super secretive. Anyway, I'm sure you haven't forgotten us ITCH guys.
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Martin C
8:04 AM - 22 August, 2012
Yes, testing on Mountain Lion has been part of the process, so we do hope to be able to officially support it.
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LEDPaint
12:08 PM - 22 August, 2012
The fact that two employees are addressing this this thread has given me faith enough to return my 4TRAK and purchase another NS6. Admittedly, I like Itch's design and workflow better; it's simply easier for my style of play. Here's to hoping the new Itch addresses the old Itch's drawbacks.
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blackavenger
12:14 PM - 22 August, 2012
I call BS.......you never sold it to begin with.
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The fact that two employees are addressing this this thread has given me faith enough to return my 4TRAK and purchase another NS6.I call BS.......you never sold it to begin with.
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LEDPaint
12:19 PM - 22 August, 2012
I call BS.......you never sold it to begin with.
Yes, I most certainly did sell my old NS6 for $650 and bought a 4TRAK for 800 and planned to use a $100 rebate. Cost of change, $50. GC took back my 4TRAK, which was defective, and I decided to get another NS6 rather than exchnage for another 4TRAK. So I lost $150 in the end.
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The fact that two employees are addressing this this thread has given me faith enough to return my 4TRAK and purchase another NS6.I call BS.......you never sold it to begin with.
Yes, I most certainly did sell my old NS6 for $650 and bought a 4TRAK for 800 and planned to use a $100 rebate. Cost of change, $50. GC took back my 4TRAK, which was defective, and I decided to get another NS6 rather than exchnage for another 4TRAK. So I lost $150 in the end.
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blackavenger
12:21 PM - 22 August, 2012
I learned long ago not to sell your equipment. You never know when you'll want to pick it back up again. I did that with a beloved mixer, and have regretted it ever since. I vowed NEVER to do it again....even with an ITCH controller ;)
It's all good LEDPaint, you just wanted to get a rise outta' the Serato Team...I get it. Make them think that perhaps if everyone starting jumping ship, that they might open their eyes to their failing product.
Well, it worked. Sam's and Martin's posts kinda' confirm that with enough griping, you can eventually get a response.
It's all good LEDPaint, you just wanted to get a rise outta' the Serato Team...I get it. Make them think that perhaps if everyone starting jumping ship, that they might open their eyes to their failing product.
Well, it worked. Sam's and Martin's posts kinda' confirm that with enough griping, you can eventually get a response.
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blackavenger
12:24 PM - 22 August, 2012
Well, then I stand corrected.
Not trying to start any drama....
Not trying to start any drama....
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LEDPaint
12:28 PM - 22 August, 2012
I hear ya, and the fact is, I did jump ship for a bit, and if they didn't address this, I'd have stayed with a 4TRAK. (So Serato stays on their toes, the 4TRAK mapping does work with NS6, it just needs a little tweaking, hehe.) But it does seem they are acknowledging the grumbling, and that's a good sign.
As for not selling equipment, I have a whole nightclub's worth in my basement. Selling gear is very tough for me. This is actually the only piece I've ever sold. I even have my original Radio Shack mixer I started dj'ing with when I was a kid!
As for not selling equipment, I have a whole nightclub's worth in my basement. Selling gear is very tough for me. This is actually the only piece I've ever sold. I even have my original Radio Shack mixer I started dj'ing with when I was a kid!
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jprime
4:07 PM - 22 August, 2012
Love the direction this thread has taken. I'm really looking forward to what's in store in upcoming releases :)
Thanks for making some noise in here team serato!
Thanks for making some noise in here team serato!
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Big Pops
4:10 PM - 22 August, 2012
That's what Serato should of done in the first place, however thanks for the response and I hope Serato is going to take a new outlook and address our problems and request.
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acemc
4:15 PM - 22 August, 2012
I am currently using my NS6 with Traktor & a tweaked 4Track tsi file. The jog response is horrid! but other than that it works very well. I'm really looking forward to a new version of itch that will surpass the frustration I experience every time I use it at the moment. Hell, I'm actually excited about it now!! Thanks Serato - now drop that beta already!
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Big Pops
5:09 PM - 23 August, 2012
I really dont like Traktor however Serato has a lot of catching up to do with features, especially where ITCH is concerned.
Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
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JBoogz
5:13 PM - 23 August, 2012
The only Traktor I'll ever own, is sitting in my shed with a lawnmower attachment.
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DJ CAPRO
5:26 PM - 23 August, 2012
Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
That Pioneer integration is a good example of a company looking ahead and nailing a power move.
For Serato to ante up they'll have to rise above the in-house competition thing.
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I really dont like Traktor however Serato has a lot of catching up to do with features, especially where ITCH is concerned.Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
That Pioneer integration is a good example of a company looking ahead and nailing a power move.
For Serato to ante up they'll have to rise above the in-house competition thing.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
5:29 PM - 23 August, 2012
Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
That Pioneer integration is a good example of a company looking ahead and nailing a power move.
For Serato to ante up they'll have to rise above the in-house competition thing.
Erm serato has has this with scratchlive for years!!! Advanced HID Mode on 400/900/2000 also the 350/850.
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I really dont like Traktor however Serato has a lot of catching up to do with features, especially where ITCH is concerned.Here is a Traktor link, it's fruit for thought.
www.native-instruments.com
That Pioneer integration is a good example of a company looking ahead and nailing a power move.
For Serato to ante up they'll have to rise above the in-house competition thing.
Erm serato has has this with scratchlive for years!!! Advanced HID Mode on 400/900/2000 also the 350/850.
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phatbob
5:35 PM - 23 August, 2012
True.
Unfortunately there is a fairly major vibration-related bug with the 900s and 2000s and Scratch Live.
Likewise there are bugs with integration on the newer 850s and 350s.
Traktor might be late out of the gate with fully working Advanced HID for CDJs, but if it is bug-free then they've beaten Serato, who have no timeframe for when they are gonna fix it. It's been about 2 years now...
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Erm serato has has this with scratchlive for years!!! Advanced HID Mode on tel:400/900/2000 also the 350/850.True.
Unfortunately there is a fairly major vibration-related bug with the 900s and 2000s and Scratch Live.
Likewise there are bugs with integration on the newer 850s and 350s.
Traktor might be late out of the gate with fully working Advanced HID for CDJs, but if it is bug-free then they've beaten Serato, who have no timeframe for when they are gonna fix it. It's been about 2 years now...
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DJ CAPRO
5:36 PM - 23 August, 2012
I'm referring to Itch... I'm assuming Traktor Pro 2 can be used universally with a controller or with decks/CDJs but maybe I'm mistaken?
At any rate it would be amazing if Itch and SSL became one, simply because there's no reason for all the subtle differences between the two.
At any rate it would be amazing if Itch and SSL became one, simply because there's no reason for all the subtle differences between the two.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
5:39 PM - 23 August, 2012
That is true but do we know if they have the issue? hasn't it always been said Serato midi for jog wheels is better than traktor? (I Have no idea)
The problem with serato is there code to fix the issue would need a MASSIVE rewrite, and everything else would sit on the todo list. Well that's what i have read posted by serato staff.
So yes if it is perfect on Traktor that is a +1 to them (Again) lol
The problem with serato is there code to fix the issue would need a MASSIVE rewrite, and everything else would sit on the todo list. Well that's what i have read posted by serato staff.
So yes if it is perfect on Traktor that is a +1 to them (Again) lol
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DJ CAPRO
5:55 PM - 23 August, 2012
Yeah maybe...
All I know is if the next Itch update has more bells and whistles for video and zero improvement with effects and other basics then it's obvious that they only want Itch to be a competitive product to software that doesn't rhyme with Crash Dive.
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The problem with serato is there code to fix the issue would need a MASSIVE rewrite, and everything else would sit on the todo list. Well that's what i have read posted by serato staff.Yeah maybe...
All I know is if the next Itch update has more bells and whistles for video and zero improvement with effects and other basics then it's obvious that they only want Itch to be a competitive product to software that doesn't rhyme with Crash Dive.
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Big Pops
6:11 PM - 23 August, 2012
All the wasted time taken to do Video they could have spent to rewite the codes and adress our problems once and for all.
Since ITCH came out there has been nothing bout problems and complains from users.
I am seriously thinking about going back to SSL.
Since ITCH came out there has been nothing bout problems and complains from users.
I am seriously thinking about going back to SSL.
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DJ CAPRO
6:20 PM - 23 August, 2012
I'm already back to SSL. Bought a 61 instead of a VCI-380.
The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
6:22 PM - 23 August, 2012
Well they did totally rewrite itch for itch 2.0.0 was a total rewrite.
The Pioneer HID Skipping is a Scratchlive issue.
And i will be very HAPPY with an update to Serato Video, as it will give me what i need to use video with itch.
But yes they defo need work on the efx, in ssl and itch.
The Pioneer HID Skipping is a Scratchlive issue.
And i will be very HAPPY with an update to Serato Video, as it will give me what i need to use video with itch.
But yes they defo need work on the efx, in ssl and itch.
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DJ CAPRO
6:28 PM - 23 August, 2012
I'll be happy with better video myself as I own the plugin. But it should be obvious that the number of users that use Itch for strictly audio purposes is a priority. They may have rewritten stuff for 2.0 but for my purposes nothing significant has changed since 1.7 other than looks.
SSL effects are brilliant. No complaints or work needed IMO.
SSL effects are brilliant. No complaints or work needed IMO.
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Big Pops
6:42 PM - 23 August, 2012
The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
I totally agree with you, even the name ITCH sounds inferior.
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I'm already back to SSL. Bought a 61 instead of a VCI-380.The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
I totally agree with you, even the name ITCH sounds inferior.
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XRM5
6:43 PM - 23 August, 2012
Yeah, equal rights for Itch already.
They don't have to merge Itch & Scratch if they don't want to, they can keep the UIs different for no reason at all if that's how they want it to be, but they've got to match features between the two or Itch can't be called "pro."
They don't have to merge Itch & Scratch if they don't want to, they can keep the UIs different for no reason at all if that's how they want it to be, but they've got to match features between the two or Itch can't be called "pro."
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LJ_WOOLSEY
6:44 PM - 23 August, 2012
wow i think ssl efx suck and so does itch, Well compared to Pioneers efxs anyway. infact i laffed that much at ssl fx i have not used them since nore do i use itch fx. As there that shocking.
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DJ CAPRO
6:48 PM - 23 August, 2012
You are probably running an older version but SSL effects have been pro sounding for years. Not up to top Pioneer DJ effects level but nowhere near as shoddy as Itch. You couldn't sell a standalone effects package like the ones in Itch for 99 cents.
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wow i think ssl efx suck and so does itch, Well compared to Pioneers efxs anyway. infact i laffed that much at ssl fx i have not used them since nore do i use itch fx. As there that shocking.You are probably running an older version but SSL effects have been pro sounding for years. Not up to top Pioneer DJ effects level but nowhere near as shoddy as Itch. You couldn't sell a standalone effects package like the ones in Itch for 99 cents.
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phatbob
7:00 PM - 23 August, 2012
The FX in Scratch Live are pretty dope, I'd say, actually. Not as intuitive as those on the DJMs, but with a bit of tweaking you can get some great results.
I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.
I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.
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blackavenger
7:05 PM - 23 August, 2012
I totally agree!
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I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.I totally agree!
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LJ_WOOLSEY
7:17 PM - 23 August, 2012
maybe i should try the fxs again then in ssl lol. and no im on the newest version.
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XRM5
7:27 PM - 23 August, 2012
Super Knob + Pad FX on the 380, hell yeah.
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I'd be quite happy if they just ported the SL effects to Itch, as long as the customisabilty came with them.Super Knob + Pad FX on the 380, hell yeah.
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acemc
10:57 PM - 23 August, 2012
"hasn't it always been said Serato midi for jog wheels is better than traktor? (I Have no idea)"
I thought that too, it was my main reason for getting the NS6. The fact is, you only get to experience what itch has to offer once you've made the purchase (I could only find 1 store that stocked the NS6 and they even had a problem with me just opening the box b4 purchase!). Coming from Traktor to Itch felt like a step backwards. Things I absolutely love about Itch are: 1) Jog response makes me fell like I'm still playing vinyl. 2) Loop roll is just so much fun to use (I actually get too carried away with it sometimes). 3) Proper brake effect when pressing pause. 4) Stacked waveforms. Things that still keep me using Traktor. 1) Beatgrid is 90% of the time way off. 2) Having to make playlists to reflect my massive music collection (poorly implemented file browser). 3) Absolutely NO mapping (do Serato think that their way is the best & only way to do things). 4) No 2-deck view. 5) Poor quality effects (beat sync'ed fx are way off too). 6) "easter egg" tweaks to get things that should be implemented as normal features. These points are all basic features that dj's expect from a world leading software team like serato. I'm not trying to do a Traktor vs Itch thing here, I'm giving my honest opinion & holding high hopes for a version that can address some (hopefully all) of my (and others) gripes. Every single dj I know, here on my side of the world ALL use Traktor - I want to use Itch. Serato has to realize that giving us ZERO options & few features just doesn't make the grade & to continue thinking like that will be their downfall. I'm really holding out for a major update - Please don't let us down. - Sorry 4 the long post.
I thought that too, it was my main reason for getting the NS6. The fact is, you only get to experience what itch has to offer once you've made the purchase (I could only find 1 store that stocked the NS6 and they even had a problem with me just opening the box b4 purchase!). Coming from Traktor to Itch felt like a step backwards. Things I absolutely love about Itch are: 1) Jog response makes me fell like I'm still playing vinyl. 2) Loop roll is just so much fun to use (I actually get too carried away with it sometimes). 3) Proper brake effect when pressing pause. 4) Stacked waveforms. Things that still keep me using Traktor. 1) Beatgrid is 90% of the time way off. 2) Having to make playlists to reflect my massive music collection (poorly implemented file browser). 3) Absolutely NO mapping (do Serato think that their way is the best & only way to do things). 4) No 2-deck view. 5) Poor quality effects (beat sync'ed fx are way off too). 6) "easter egg" tweaks to get things that should be implemented as normal features. These points are all basic features that dj's expect from a world leading software team like serato. I'm not trying to do a Traktor vs Itch thing here, I'm giving my honest opinion & holding high hopes for a version that can address some (hopefully all) of my (and others) gripes. Every single dj I know, here on my side of the world ALL use Traktor - I want to use Itch. Serato has to realize that giving us ZERO options & few features just doesn't make the grade & to continue thinking like that will be their downfall. I'm really holding out for a major update - Please don't let us down. - Sorry 4 the long post.
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dj lashes
11:20 PM - 23 August, 2012
+1
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That's what Serato should of done in the first place, however thanks for the response and I hope Serato is going to take a new outlook and address our problems and request.+1
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Brian J
4:23 AM - 25 August, 2012
Here's how i see it..
I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
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Big Pops
6:02 AM - 25 August, 2012
I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
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Here's how i see it..I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
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Brian J
11:05 AM - 25 August, 2012
Exactly! I don't wanna sound harsh or anything..
But the words "soon", "some new things"(without specifying which new feature) or we "can't promise" are not cut it anymore. At least not for me! I don't want serato to throw me a bone whenever they feel like.. I want to spend my hard earned money on a company that comes up with fresh, new, cutting edge ideas and implement them in a timely manner fashion.
But the words "soon", "some new things"(without specifying which new feature) or we "can't promise" are not cut it anymore. At least not for me! I don't want serato to throw me a bone whenever they feel like.. I want to spend my hard earned money on a company that comes up with fresh, new, cutting edge ideas and implement them in a timely manner fashion.
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blackavenger
1:42 PM - 25 August, 2012
We don't need Bridge....all that functionality is potentially there already.
Just add a live sampler to the SP-6, and add MIDI (or a proprietary controller) like the F1.
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The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other optionsWe don't need Bridge....all that functionality is potentially there already.
Just add a live sampler to the SP-6, and add MIDI (or a proprietary controller) like the F1.
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LEDPaint
3:39 PM - 25 August, 2012
I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
I understand in the development process there's always some weird glitch they find last minute, some idea they have that just turns out to be unworkable, etc. Some people don't get this and some people are simply impatient, which makes them loathe to tell us what's coming around the bend and when.
However, with the amount of hostility being generated against Itch at this point, I am asking Serato to give us a *tentative* release date on the beta, even if it's just, "we're hoping for three to five weeks, but please understand there is always the possibility of a delay." And please add, "we are trying to add 'xyz' features, but please understand that we may not be able to add all of these features because of problems we may encounter."
Even better, I think if they were to give us some kind of progress report as to what they're working on, what errors came up, why something isn't working or being delayed, it would really molify a lot of people. The time is now for a little transparency.
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Here's how i see it..I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
I understand in the development process there's always some weird glitch they find last minute, some idea they have that just turns out to be unworkable, etc. Some people don't get this and some people are simply impatient, which makes them loathe to tell us what's coming around the bend and when.
However, with the amount of hostility being generated against Itch at this point, I am asking Serato to give us a *tentative* release date on the beta, even if it's just, "we're hoping for three to five weeks, but please understand there is always the possibility of a delay." And please add, "we are trying to add 'xyz' features, but please understand that we may not be able to add all of these features because of problems we may encounter."
Even better, I think if they were to give us some kind of progress report as to what they're working on, what errors came up, why something isn't working or being delayed, it would really molify a lot of people. The time is now for a little transparency.
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Brian J
1:16 AM - 26 August, 2012
Good point! As long as I'm able to stack multiple clips per track, all in sync... I doubt serato can match elastique pro time stretch algorithm though. Live 8 has one of the best(if no the best)time stretch I've ever heard. Also Serato might have to make significant redesign to the audio engine which, giving the current situation, we. might be able to play with it by 2015!
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Brian J
1:18 AM - 26 August, 2012
I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
I understand in the development process there's always some weird glitch they find last minute, some idea they have that just turns out to be unworkable, etc. Some people don't get this and some people are simply impatient, which makes them loathe to tell us what's coming around the bend and when.
However, with the amount of hostility being generated against Itch at this point, I am asking Serato to give us a *tentative* release date on the beta, even if it's just, "we're hoping for three to five weeks, but please understand there is always the possibility of a delay." And please add, "we are trying to add 'xyz' features, but please understand that we may not be able to add all of these features because of problems we may encounter."
Even better, I think if they were to give us some kind of progress report as to what they're working on, what errors came up, why something isn't working or being delayed, it would really molify a lot of people. The time is now for a little transparency.
Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..
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Here's how i see it..I'm getting fed up after spending 2.5k on itch controllers and still missing basic features like accurate BPM detection, accurate(and easy to use) beat grid, good sounding key lock and FXs..
The bridge use to be a "plus" rather than a "must" but now with traktor rmx decks the game has changed. They better get busy to implement that feature or people will start considering other options
They also need to communicate more with users. Giving time frames, new feature sneak peek.. and so forward.
my 2cens
I agree with you, we been asking this of Serato for months now.
I understand in the development process there's always some weird glitch they find last minute, some idea they have that just turns out to be unworkable, etc. Some people don't get this and some people are simply impatient, which makes them loathe to tell us what's coming around the bend and when.
However, with the amount of hostility being generated against Itch at this point, I am asking Serato to give us a *tentative* release date on the beta, even if it's just, "we're hoping for three to five weeks, but please understand there is always the possibility of a delay." And please add, "we are trying to add 'xyz' features, but please understand that we may not be able to add all of these features because of problems we may encounter."
Even better, I think if they were to give us some kind of progress report as to what they're working on, what errors came up, why something isn't working or being delayed, it would really molify a lot of people. The time is now for a little transparency.
Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..
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phatbob
2:09 AM - 26 August, 2012
Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
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Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
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aktronic
12:08 PM - 26 August, 2012
Hi SERATO,
can you give us a roadmap for ITCH-development?
It could made much things easyer for you. We all have the same questions about the bugs, issues, missing functions and quality enhancements.
Don't leave us alone!
We all choosed an ITCH-controller, because we want to use ITCH and we all love ITCH.
aktronic
can you give us a roadmap for ITCH-development?
It could made much things easyer for you. We all have the same questions about the bugs, issues, missing functions and quality enhancements.
Don't leave us alone!
We all choosed an ITCH-controller, because we want to use ITCH and we all love ITCH.
aktronic
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Brian J
2:43 PM - 26 August, 2012
Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
yeah? what's this then?
"This thread provides information about upcoming patches for Traktor. It will be updated whenever new information becomes available.
---------
The currently available software version is 2.5.1. Please make sure that your installation is up to date.
--------
Information on upcoming updates is currently unavailable"
KEY FEATURES:
Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration
Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior
Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode
ANALYSIS:
Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job
BROWSER / COLLECTION:
FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples
CONTROLLER MANAGER:
Modifier condition "Hotcue Type" fixed
EFFECTS:
FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob
KEYLOCK:
Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock
REMIX DECKS:
New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks
TIMECODE:
Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode
TRACK DECKS:
Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform
TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:
New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior
TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:
Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working
And that's .1 release!
Now i'm not a traktor fanboy.. I always loved serato's semplicty at the beginning, BUT now itch is falling MILES behind the competition! If at least they updated their softare more often, adding features, they could even charge a fee for a BIG release(3.0). Let's be honest they are taking their time because we don't pay for the updates! Like somebody pointed out they rushed the video plug in because they can get $$.. That simple! I bet improved FX and midi mapping were a FAR more requested features! Instead of enabling midi mapping they asked their partners to build a new controller.. So people(including me) had to buy a new controller just access those features! On top of that they are dodgy and vague when asked an update status/ new features.. No, i think you are right Bob! i'm bitter and i'm way out of line..
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Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
yeah? what's this then?
"This thread provides information about upcoming patches for Traktor. It will be updated whenever new information becomes available.
---------
The currently available software version is 2.5.1. Please make sure that your installation is up to date.
--------
Information on upcoming updates is currently unavailable"
KEY FEATURES:
Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration
Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior
Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode
ANALYSIS:
Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job
BROWSER / COLLECTION:
FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples
CONTROLLER MANAGER:
Modifier condition "Hotcue Type" fixed
EFFECTS:
FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob
KEYLOCK:
Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock
REMIX DECKS:
New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks
TIMECODE:
Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode
TRACK DECKS:
Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform
TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:
New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior
TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:
Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working
And that's .1 release!
Now i'm not a traktor fanboy.. I always loved serato's semplicty at the beginning, BUT now itch is falling MILES behind the competition! If at least they updated their softare more often, adding features, they could even charge a fee for a BIG release(3.0). Let's be honest they are taking their time because we don't pay for the updates! Like somebody pointed out they rushed the video plug in because they can get $$.. That simple! I bet improved FX and midi mapping were a FAR more requested features! Instead of enabling midi mapping they asked their partners to build a new controller.. So people(including me) had to buy a new controller just access those features! On top of that they are dodgy and vague when asked an update status/ new features.. No, i think you are right Bob! i'm bitter and i'm way out of line..
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blackavenger
3:12 PM - 26 August, 2012
You know, I was about to say give it up. They have already said the Public Beta is coming "soon". They have addressed all of us in this thread....gave us assurances.
But....
This really isn't an unreasonable request. It would be nice to see, in written form, where they see ITCH going in the coming months/years. They have been silent for so long, it would be nice to read what they have been coming up with in their think-tanks.
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can you give us a roadmap for ITCH-development?You know, I was about to say give it up. They have already said the Public Beta is coming "soon". They have addressed all of us in this thread....gave us assurances.
But....
This really isn't an unreasonable request. It would be nice to see, in written form, where they see ITCH going in the coming months/years. They have been silent for so long, it would be nice to read what they have been coming up with in their think-tanks.
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phatbob
3:48 PM - 26 August, 2012
Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
yeah? what's this then?
"This thread provides information about upcoming patches for Traktor. It will be updated whenever new information becomes available.
---------
The currently available software version is 2.5.1. Please make sure that your installation is up to date.
--------
Information on upcoming updates is currently unavailable"
KEY FEATURES:
Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration
Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior
Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode
ANALYSIS:
Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job
BROWSER / COLLECTION:
FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples
CONTROLLER MANAGER:
Modifier condition "Hotcue Type" fixed
EFFECTS:
FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob
KEYLOCK:
Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock
REMIX DECKS:
New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks
TIMECODE:
Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode
TRACK DECKS:
Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform
TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:
New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior
TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:
Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working
And that's .1 release!
Now i'm not a traktor fanboy.. I always loved serato's semplicty at the beginning, BUT now itch is falling MILES behind the competition! If at least they updated their softare more often, adding features, they could even charge a fee for a BIG release(3.0). Let's be honest they are taking their time because we don't pay for the updates! Like somebody pointed out they rushed the video plug in because they can get $$.. That simple! I bet improved FX and midi mapping were a FAR more requested features! Instead of enabling midi mapping they asked their partners to build a new controller.. So people(including me) had to buy a new controller just access those features! On top of that they are dodgy and vague when asked an update status/ new features.. No, i think you are right Bob! i'm bitter and i'm way out of line..
That's a changelog, not a roadmap.
One of those comes every Itch point release too.
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Spot on bro! That's exactly what NI does with traktor user, no more no less..Absolute 100% gilt-edged nonsense.
Unless by 'NI' you mean a company other than Native Instruments.
yeah? what's this then?
"This thread provides information about upcoming patches for Traktor. It will be updated whenever new information becomes available.
---------
The currently available software version is 2.5.1. Please make sure that your installation is up to date.
--------
Information on upcoming updates is currently unavailable"
KEY FEATURES:
Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration
Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior
Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode
ANALYSIS:
Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job
BROWSER / COLLECTION:
FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples
CONTROLLER MANAGER:
Modifier condition "Hotcue Type" fixed
EFFECTS:
FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob
KEYLOCK:
Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock
REMIX DECKS:
New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks
TIMECODE:
Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode
TRACK DECKS:
Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform
TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:
New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior
TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:
Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working
And that's .1 release!
Now i'm not a traktor fanboy.. I always loved serato's semplicty at the beginning, BUT now itch is falling MILES behind the competition! If at least they updated their softare more often, adding features, they could even charge a fee for a BIG release(3.0). Let's be honest they are taking their time because we don't pay for the updates! Like somebody pointed out they rushed the video plug in because they can get $$.. That simple! I bet improved FX and midi mapping were a FAR more requested features! Instead of enabling midi mapping they asked their partners to build a new controller.. So people(including me) had to buy a new controller just access those features! On top of that they are dodgy and vague when asked an update status/ new features.. No, i think you are right Bob! i'm bitter and i'm way out of line..
That's a changelog, not a roadmap.
One of those comes every Itch point release too.
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Brian J
4:52 PM - 26 August, 2012
well whatever it is.. at least they'll tell you what to expect from the next release and they'll give you some sort of time frame too. You can twist how you want bob, the problem doesn't go away. I understand if a was a 'lone wolf' but this seem the general vibe here in the forum.. Customer aren't too happy with serato, aren't they?
You know.. i wish i had bought the VCI400 instead of the 380. Well i wait and see the next release. Better be good!
You know.. i wish i had bought the VCI400 instead of the 380. Well i wait and see the next release. Better be good!
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phatbob
5:25 PM - 26 August, 2012
Still wrong.
Please do tell me what's coming up in Traktor 2.5.2.
And when it's coming.
Thanks!
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well whatever it is.. at least they'll tell you what to expect from the next release and they'll give you some sort of time frame too.Still wrong.
Please do tell me what's coming up in Traktor 2.5.2.
And when it's coming.
Thanks!
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David_E
6:03 PM - 26 August, 2012
this changelog has been made public a couple weeks before the release. also there's always info about the stage of progress (development/beta testing/final testing). right now I would be happy to see something like this for itch, but I can't say that I wouldn't be pissed if some features won't make it or it'll take longer than promised.
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Dj Fitty
6:09 PM - 26 August, 2012
Itch has public beta before its release, Traktor does not. itch should sort these problems out with the controllers, first then back to business as normal. I would be pissed also ifmimwas waiting for a update for a controller
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this changelog has been made public a couple weeks before the release. also there's always info about the stage of progress (development/beta testing/final testing). right now I would be happy to see something like this for itch, but I can't say that I wouldn't be pissed if some features won't make it or it'll take longer than promised.Itch has public beta before its release, Traktor does not. itch should sort these problems out with the controllers, first then back to business as normal. I would be pissed also ifmimwas waiting for a update for a controller
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Markabre
6:45 PM - 26 August, 2012
Previous Itch betas have lasted about a month, right? 2.3/ 2.2.2 /2.2.1.0.0.1 isn't even at that point yet.
By the time it finally comes out, it's entirely possible that the only decks people will be using are Holo-decks.
..no wonder everyone in the future uses Traktor beams. I guess they cornered the market back in 2013.
By the time it finally comes out, it's entirely possible that the only decks people will be using are Holo-decks.
..no wonder everyone in the future uses Traktor beams. I guess they cornered the market back in 2013.
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Kingsidney
10:58 PM - 26 August, 2012
By the time it finally comes out, it's entirely possible that the only decks people will be using are Holo-decks.
..no wonder everyone in the future uses Traktor beams. I guess they cornered the market back in 2013.
It's funny cos it's true.
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Previous Itch betas have lasted about a month, right? 2.3/ 2.2.2 /2.2.1.0.0.1 isn't even at that point yet.By the time it finally comes out, it's entirely possible that the only decks people will be using are Holo-decks.
..no wonder everyone in the future uses Traktor beams. I guess they cornered the market back in 2013.
It's funny cos it's true.
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phatbob
11:15 PM - 26 August, 2012
Now we see who is really interested in helping development move faster, and who is all talk.
See you in the beta area.
Scratch live + Serato Video: serato.com
ITCH + Serato Video: serato.com
See you in the beta area.
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Hi, everyone. We'd like to share that Scratch Live, ITCH and Serato Video maintenance releases are now in public beta. If you'd like to try them out, here are the links to their forum areas.Scratch live + Serato Video: serato.com
ITCH + Serato Video: serato.com
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Martin C
12:01 AM - 27 August, 2012
Thanks phatbob! When I said in this thread 6 days ago, that the next version would be very soon, this is what I meant by that :)
Here is the changelist for those interested:
ITCH Features
* Vestax VCI-380 support
* FLAC support
* Added a 2-deck Numark NS6 and Allen & Heath Xone DX layout mode.
Serato Video related features
* Dedicated Video View - Display video decks alongside the virtual audio decks.
* Serato Video Delay Compensation (activated in the video setup screen)
This will allow one to offset the master video feed from the audio when there are sync/latency issues.
* Auto transition FX (in the fader panel of the Serato Video widget)
Set this option if you want a different transition effect to be used ever time a new track is loaded. There are three options.
- Auto: Turns the auto transitions on/off.
- Random: Every transition is randomly selected, rather than selected sequentially from the transitions list.
- Next: Forces another transition to load button, a Random button, and a "next transition please" button.
Bug Fixes
GUI fixes
* Fixed bug where a large grey box outline would be visible when doing a drag and drop. This only affected certain OSX versions such as 10.6.7 32 bit.
* Fixed bug where the 'add cue point' buttons in the offline player weren't showing as enabled upon track load.
* Fixed bug where the 'view' button would incorrectly cycle through an easter egg view.
Library and Metadata fixes
* Improved iTunes XML importing.
This is to address the issue where iTunes library importing would fail when the library contained non utf-8 encoded strings. These formatting errors are an issue with iTunes, but this fix will now handle these string encoding errors and allow the entire library to be imported successfully.
* ID3 scanning by dragging a crate to the button now works.
* Fixed bug where ITCH could create a _ScratchLIVE_ folder on external drives.
* Fixed a crash when using Live Playlists.
* Track data that has non ascii characters such as ñ and ó will now be searchable using n and o respectively.
* Fixed a bug where .wav file tags couldn't be read or written to properly because of non-wide aligned chunks.
* Fixed the library keyboard scrolling issue causeed when the bpm is being edited and the user presses ctrl+up/down in order to scroll up/down the library.
Controller fixes
* Fixed the feedback loop bug with the Allen & Heath Xone DX.
* Fixed a Denon HC5000 bug where going Shift+Relay would not make the HC5000's display change, thus preventing the user from being able to see the time setting being adjusted. Note that pushing just the Relay button would show the display change.
* Fixed the Novation Twitch touch strip bug where the beat grid sometimes couldn't be adjusted when the 'adjust' button is pressed.
* Fixed bug where scrolling through the Novation Twitch master fx time values for the delay and echo effect would not do so incrementally.
* Fixed Swipe Mode + Play button bug with the Novation Twitch.
* Fixed a Novation Twitch bug whereby the 'Drop' button didn't turn off after needle-drop.
* Changed Slicer and Saved Loop lighting on the Novation Twitch.
* Fixed a linked V7 bug where using the right V7's velocity slider and cues may make the left V7's playhead jump to the beginning of the track.
Playback fixes
* Fixed bug where auto loops couldn't be saved in offline player.
* The number of cue points that can be scrolled through in the SP6 is now 8.
* Fixed Alt + Clicking Sample Slot bug so that it now stops the sample playing.
* Fixed Headroom issue.
* Fixed 'Braker' defaulting to 12 o'clock after install.
* Fixed bug where auto gain was not being applied.
Serato Video related bug fixes
* Added the missing False Color effect to the automatically generated effects_list.xml
** Note that if effects_list.xml already exists then you either have to delete the effects_list.xml and allow it to be recreated, or add
1. <effect ID="17825797" name="False Color" ></effect>
has to be added to the "Lighting" xml element.
* The Serato Video Image effect 'size' param is now saved and loaded to and from xml.
* Adjusted the auto cross fade speed so that the low-mid-high speeds are 10 secs-4.4 secs-super fast. Note: The middle position is a little faster than VSL 1.2.
* Fixed bug where auto cross fading from left to right would get stuck at the far left position (only when the autofader speed is set to slow).
Also:
This is exactly the reason why don't reveal too much before finalizing certain things.
Here is the changelist for those interested:
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ITCH 2.2.2.11 (changelist since 2.2.0)ITCH Features
* Vestax VCI-380 support
* FLAC support
* Added a 2-deck Numark NS6 and Allen & Heath Xone DX layout mode.
Serato Video related features
* Dedicated Video View - Display video decks alongside the virtual audio decks.
* Serato Video Delay Compensation (activated in the video setup screen)
This will allow one to offset the master video feed from the audio when there are sync/latency issues.
* Auto transition FX (in the fader panel of the Serato Video widget)
Set this option if you want a different transition effect to be used ever time a new track is loaded. There are three options.
- Auto: Turns the auto transitions on/off.
- Random: Every transition is randomly selected, rather than selected sequentially from the transitions list.
- Next: Forces another transition to load button, a Random button, and a "next transition please" button.
Bug Fixes
GUI fixes
* Fixed bug where a large grey box outline would be visible when doing a drag and drop. This only affected certain OSX versions such as 10.6.7 32 bit.
* Fixed bug where the 'add cue point' buttons in the offline player weren't showing as enabled upon track load.
* Fixed bug where the 'view' button would incorrectly cycle through an easter egg view.
Library and Metadata fixes
* Improved iTunes XML importing.
This is to address the issue where iTunes library importing would fail when the library contained non utf-8 encoded strings. These formatting errors are an issue with iTunes, but this fix will now handle these string encoding errors and allow the entire library to be imported successfully.
* ID3 scanning by dragging a crate to the button now works.
* Fixed bug where ITCH could create a _ScratchLIVE_ folder on external drives.
* Fixed a crash when using Live Playlists.
* Track data that has non ascii characters such as ñ and ó will now be searchable using n and o respectively.
* Fixed a bug where .wav file tags couldn't be read or written to properly because of non-wide aligned chunks.
* Fixed the library keyboard scrolling issue causeed when the bpm is being edited and the user presses ctrl+up/down in order to scroll up/down the library.
Controller fixes
* Fixed the feedback loop bug with the Allen & Heath Xone DX.
* Fixed a Denon HC5000 bug where going Shift+Relay would not make the HC5000's display change, thus preventing the user from being able to see the time setting being adjusted. Note that pushing just the Relay button would show the display change.
* Fixed the Novation Twitch touch strip bug where the beat grid sometimes couldn't be adjusted when the 'adjust' button is pressed.
* Fixed bug where scrolling through the Novation Twitch master fx time values for the delay and echo effect would not do so incrementally.
* Fixed Swipe Mode + Play button bug with the Novation Twitch.
* Fixed a Novation Twitch bug whereby the 'Drop' button didn't turn off after needle-drop.
* Changed Slicer and Saved Loop lighting on the Novation Twitch.
* Fixed a linked V7 bug where using the right V7's velocity slider and cues may make the left V7's playhead jump to the beginning of the track.
Playback fixes
* Fixed bug where auto loops couldn't be saved in offline player.
* The number of cue points that can be scrolled through in the SP6 is now 8.
* Fixed Alt + Clicking Sample Slot bug so that it now stops the sample playing.
* Fixed Headroom issue.
* Fixed 'Braker' defaulting to 12 o'clock after install.
* Fixed bug where auto gain was not being applied.
Serato Video related bug fixes
* Added the missing False Color effect to the automatically generated effects_list.xml
** Note that if effects_list.xml already exists then you either have to delete the effects_list.xml and allow it to be recreated, or add
1. <effect ID="17825797" name="False Color" ></effect>
has to be added to the "Lighting" xml element.
* The Serato Video Image effect 'size' param is now saved and loaded to and from xml.
* Adjusted the auto cross fade speed so that the low-mid-high speeds are 10 secs-4.4 secs-super fast. Note: The middle position is a little faster than VSL 1.2.
* Fixed bug where auto cross fading from left to right would get stuck at the far left position (only when the autofader speed is set to slow).
Also:
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but I can't say that I wouldn't be pissed if some features won't make it or it'll take longer than promised.This is exactly the reason why don't reveal too much before finalizing certain things.
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Brian J
12:08 AM - 27 August, 2012
Wow 2.2.2!!!!! I'm blown away! After all this time we got support for the 380, two decks mode for 4 decks controller and flac!!!!
it was definitely worth the wait.. Yeah, right! Improved audio engine(better keylock, accurate beat grid and bpm detection) Fxs and the bridge will never come out I guess!
Thanks for sharing though..
it was definitely worth the wait.. Yeah, right! Improved audio engine(better keylock, accurate beat grid and bpm detection) Fxs and the bridge will never come out I guess!
Thanks for sharing though..
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phatbob
12:12 AM - 27 August, 2012
You're right, it's not like Flac support and 2-deck view have been incredibly high priority improvements for a large number of users for a very long time, or anything like that.
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blackavenger
12:14 AM - 27 August, 2012
HELL YEAH!!!!
FLAC support for ITCH too.........this is one of the greatest days ever!
FLAC support for ITCH too.........this is one of the greatest days ever!
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Martin C
12:16 AM - 27 August, 2012
Believe me Brian J, all that sort of thing will be happening as soon as the development teams are satisfied that we are delivering a high quality product containing all of that :)
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phatbob
12:17 AM - 27 August, 2012
I rest my case...
Personally I'm not bothered, I prefer ALAC, but people been after Flac support FOREVER.
Personally I'm not bothered, I prefer ALAC, but people been after Flac support FOREVER.
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blackavenger
12:17 AM - 27 August, 2012
FLAC support is nearly an 8 year old request...it trumps all other requests in my opinion!
LOLOL....I have been bitching for years, and years for it. I am so stoked I can't put it into words!
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!
LOLOL....I have been bitching for years, and years for it. I am so stoked I can't put it into words!
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!
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Kingsidney
12:50 AM - 27 August, 2012
This^ ..... Fail. Itch really is the redheaded stepchild.
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Nothing whatsoever on Effects....WTF!!!!!This^ ..... Fail. Itch really is the redheaded stepchild.
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B.Hollywood
12:51 AM - 27 August, 2012
Im really hoping serato can get this bridge then sorted. its been so long. I wonder if we will get a clear indication at some stage.
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Samuel S
1:28 AM - 27 August, 2012
As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.
Cheers,
Sam.
Cheers,
Sam.
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Andrew Northern
2:01 AM - 27 August, 2012
Cheers,
Sam.
In my opinion you all need to seriously evaluate the performance of who ever your PM is on the ITCH project.
Quote:
As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.Cheers,
Sam.
In my opinion you all need to seriously evaluate the performance of who ever your PM is on the ITCH project.
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Papa Midnight
2:24 AM - 27 August, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
Someone better get the jaws of life. This man needs a foot removed from his mouth.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
Someone better get the jaws of life. This man needs a foot removed from his mouth.
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WileECoyote
2:24 AM - 27 August, 2012
* Fixed a linked V7 bug where using the right V7's velocity slider and cues may make the left V7's playhead jump to the beginning of the track.
FINALLY! Thank you!
FINALLY! Thank you!
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Markabre
2:56 AM - 27 August, 2012
What is this?...I don't even..
This change log lists the changes since 2.2.0 (March 2012).. Five months ago.
*Awkward Laugh* You guys crack me up.. but now seriously....
......
Guys?
This change log lists the changes since 2.2.0 (March 2012).. Five months ago.
*Awkward Laugh* You guys crack me up.. but now seriously....
......
Guys?
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LEDPaint
3:14 AM - 27 August, 2012
Cheers,
Sam.
You really could share, and now that this update has completely underwhelmed us, it would be very nice if you did. Effects, effects, effcts...probably the most complained about feature. Why is it so difficult? At least answer that.
Quote:
As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.Cheers,
Sam.
You really could share, and now that this update has completely underwhelmed us, it would be very nice if you did. Effects, effects, effcts...probably the most complained about feature. Why is it so difficult? At least answer that.
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controversial
3:46 AM - 27 August, 2012
so disappointed Its a slap in the face from Serato FX upgrade is the simplest thing to implement. I'd love to know why it hasn't been done maybe a good way to boycott serato would be to say the software I use is virtual DJ at all the events where people ask if its virtual DJ with a serato skin, this way I can save the future DJs from the deception of a company that announced the bridge and better fx years ago and still cant get it together!
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Brian J
3:56 AM - 27 August, 2012
Martin C,
i don't doubt that. I'm sure that once it's out it'll be good. HOWEVER, i think that is taking too much time to implement some features that in my opinion are at the very foundation of ANY good DJ software. Sorry, but i got to be honest here. I'm not pleased with the direction itch is going at all..
I will look around for other viable options..
Quote:
Believe me Brian J, all that sort of thing will be happening as soon as the development teams are satisfied that we are delivering a high quality product containing all of that :)Martin C,
i don't doubt that. I'm sure that once it's out it'll be good. HOWEVER, i think that is taking too much time to implement some features that in my opinion are at the very foundation of ANY good DJ software. Sorry, but i got to be honest here. I'm not pleased with the direction itch is going at all..
I will look around for other viable options..
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blackavenger
5:27 AM - 27 August, 2012
For fux sake.........punctuation?
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so disappointed Its a slap in the face from Serato FX upgrade is the simplest thing to implement. I'd love to know why it hasn't been done maybe a good way to boycott serato would be to say the software I use is virtual DJ at all the events where people ask if its virtual DJ with a serato skin, this way I can save the future DJs from the deception of a company that announced the bridge and better fx years ago and still cant get it together!For fux sake.........punctuation?
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XRM5
10:58 AM - 27 August, 2012
Hopefully the reason there's still no proper way to control the SP-6 and Serato Video in Itch is because some company has a hardware extension like the VFX-1 coming out @ the BPM show or some other time soon?
If not then we really need MIDI control for them. Serato Video on Itch shouldn't require the mouse. That's such a crippled and old-timey way to have to work when it's so few controls that need to be mapped. And good mapping for the SP-6 could make up for not having The Bridge.
If not then we really need MIDI control for them. Serato Video on Itch shouldn't require the mouse. That's such a crippled and old-timey way to have to work when it's so few controls that need to be mapped. And good mapping for the SP-6 could make up for not having The Bridge.
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XRM5
1:53 PM - 27 August, 2012
And does "Vestax VCI-380 support" mean that bugs & glitches people have been reporting have been addressed?
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acemc
3:42 PM - 27 August, 2012
Thanks Serato....... for trying. I'm sure there will be others that feel different to me on this, but.....
I feel this update is actually pretty pathetic considering the time it has taken to come out.
At the moment NS6 2-deck view is only selectable with the mouse / trackpad which I "hope" will be changed. Otherwise all you have given us is one measly 2-deck option. I understand this is better than nothing, but for sux-fake, I will actually have to press my view button even more now to get between desired layouts. Did anyone actually put any thought into this?? Why not just allow us to enable / disable the 4-deck layout, then we could select the layout we actually like in a 2-deck view.
Sorry if this seems unappreciative - I'm just really bummed.
I feel this update is actually pretty pathetic considering the time it has taken to come out.
At the moment NS6 2-deck view is only selectable with the mouse / trackpad which I "hope" will be changed. Otherwise all you have given us is one measly 2-deck option. I understand this is better than nothing, but for sux-fake, I will actually have to press my view button even more now to get between desired layouts. Did anyone actually put any thought into this?? Why not just allow us to enable / disable the 4-deck layout, then we could select the layout we actually like in a 2-deck view.
Sorry if this seems unappreciative - I'm just really bummed.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
3:55 PM - 27 August, 2012
No media crate for when playing an audio only track grrrrrrr was wanting that sooo bad. But thanks for the delay compensation and new video view.
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Markabre
4:21 PM - 27 August, 2012
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Yes, I'd like to know this too. Has the implementation not been improved at all? (I'd like the option of having the hot cue buttons colour coded. Seems a real waste of the 380's buttons.)
No official word on Mountain Lion in that changelog either.
Weren't these amongst the primary concerns for this update.
It concerns me that there were so many bugs to fix for the Twitch 18 months after it's release. Nice, you also fixed an issue with 10.6.7, also roughly 18 months old. So we can expect Itch to catch up with today's technology around February 2014? I'll pencil it in on my calendar.
What an ambitious release, it totally makes sense to me now why this took three months from the 380's release and 5 months from 2.2.
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And does "Vestax VCI-380 support" mean that bugs & glitches people have been reporting have been addressed?Yes, I'd like to know this too. Has the implementation not been improved at all? (I'd like the option of having the hot cue buttons colour coded. Seems a real waste of the 380's buttons.)
No official word on Mountain Lion in that changelog either.
Weren't these amongst the primary concerns for this update.
It concerns me that there were so many bugs to fix for the Twitch 18 months after it's release. Nice, you also fixed an issue with 10.6.7, also roughly 18 months old. So we can expect Itch to catch up with today's technology around February 2014? I'll pencil it in on my calendar.
What an ambitious release, it totally makes sense to me now why this took three months from the 380's release and 5 months from 2.2.
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DJ Onry Aries
4:29 PM - 27 August, 2012
This latest release is laughable @ best.......losing hope for ITCH with every passing day :(
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djcerla
4:38 PM - 27 August, 2012
Uh? What's wrong with this release? They fixed a ton of bugs and added long standing features requests (2 decks wiew, FLAC support). And it feels very stable so far.
Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
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Fuidawg
4:38 PM - 27 August, 2012
seriously, umm thanks for nothing lol ... unless you're a Vestax VCI-380 user or ns6 ... no new effects or V7 updates with the video etc ...
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This latest release is laughable @ best.......losing hope for ITCH with every passing day :(seriously, umm thanks for nothing lol ... unless you're a Vestax VCI-380 user or ns6 ... no new effects or V7 updates with the video etc ...
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XRM5
4:45 PM - 27 August, 2012
Yeah, video for V7 is a bad joke.
Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
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djcerla
4:47 PM - 27 August, 2012
Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
Ask for the refund then.
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Yeah, video for V7 is a bad joke.Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
Ask for the refund then.
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Fuidawg
4:48 PM - 27 August, 2012
Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
Fortunately I haven't bought the video plugin yet till they fix that, which I've read is some major midi update that Serato needs to do for it to work ...
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Yeah, video for V7 is a bad joke.Anybody with that setup should get a refund for what they paid for the plugin.
Fortunately I haven't bought the video plugin yet till they fix that, which I've read is some major midi update that Serato needs to do for it to work ...
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djcerla
4:52 PM - 27 August, 2012
Hardly. Check out my post history: overall, I'm obvioulsy an happy camper, but I've been very harsh with Serato several times (wav bug, keylock, up to instant start in 2008).
And what you can't read are my PMs to developers: trust me, more ass-kicking than ass-licking for sure ;)
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Dj cerla in Serato kiss ass shock!!Hardly. Check out my post history: overall, I'm obvioulsy an happy camper, but I've been very harsh with Serato several times (wav bug, keylock, up to instant start in 2008).
And what you can't read are my PMs to developers: trust me, more ass-kicking than ass-licking for sure ;)
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DJ Onry Aries
4:54 PM - 27 August, 2012
"Ask for the refund then. "
The Numark Hardware is not the problem...its this free 1 to 1 software.....Charge a small fee for the software get some serious code heads in there and actually act like you care about this product line Serato.......MY 2cents....
The Numark Hardware is not the problem...its this free 1 to 1 software.....Charge a small fee for the software get some serious code heads in there and actually act like you care about this product line Serato.......MY 2cents....
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Markabre
5:02 PM - 27 August, 2012
Fuidawg, VCI-380 Support is nothing new, it came with 2.2.1. This change-log catalogues everything since 2.2, 5 Months ago. 380 implementation appears to be unchanged other than auto gain apparently works now. So worth the wait!
Nice as Flac support is, it's pretty damn niche, likely increasingly so as SSDs become more standard. Yes, fair enough NS6 2-Deck View was a much requested feature even if it does nothing for me. I can't imagine it takes very long at all to essentially disable 4 deck mode.
DJCerla, I liked Itch's barebones foundations immensely in 2009. But Itch is still barebones software circa 2009, it's not even barebones software circa 2012.
That changelog represents 5 months of Serato at work. Probably closer to 6 months by the time it's final. Can you really say you are impressed by that level of support, progress and ambition?
Nice as Flac support is, it's pretty damn niche, likely increasingly so as SSDs become more standard. Yes, fair enough NS6 2-Deck View was a much requested feature even if it does nothing for me. I can't imagine it takes very long at all to essentially disable 4 deck mode.
DJCerla, I liked Itch's barebones foundations immensely in 2009. But Itch is still barebones software circa 2009, it's not even barebones software circa 2012.
That changelog represents 5 months of Serato at work. Probably closer to 6 months by the time it's final. Can you really say you are impressed by that level of support, progress and ambition?
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David_E
5:03 PM - 27 August, 2012
so still no fix for the audio drops with the VCI 380 ?
this bug made me return my unit, cause I didn't want to play out with audio drops on a 900 $ controller. At least auto gain and that nasty wav bug is fixed (if I'm reading the change log right).
Oh and big thumbs up for flac support.
As soon as I get any info on the audio drops issue, I'll be happy to buy a 380 again, but it just looks like the team still don't have a clue what's going on there. Else it would have been fixed with this version. I mean, sound drop outs (even if it's just miliseconds) is one of the worst things to happen while DJing live.
this bug made me return my unit, cause I didn't want to play out with audio drops on a 900 $ controller. At least auto gain and that nasty wav bug is fixed (if I'm reading the change log right).
Oh and big thumbs up for flac support.
As soon as I get any info on the audio drops issue, I'll be happy to buy a 380 again, but it just looks like the team still don't have a clue what's going on there. Else it would have been fixed with this version. I mean, sound drop outs (even if it's just miliseconds) is one of the worst things to happen while DJing live.
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XRM5
5:18 PM - 27 August, 2012
Might have to return my 380 for the dropouts as well. Tough choice though because the hardware is so amazing, and I only have a week to decide.
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Dj Fitty
5:33 PM - 27 August, 2012
Hardly. Check out my post history: overall, I'm obvioulsy an happy camper, but I've been very harsh with Serato several times (wav bug, keylock, up to instant start in 2008).
And what you can't read are my PMs to developers: trust me, more ass-kicking than ass-licking for sure ;)
+1 I use to think the same thing about Cerla but he ain't no Serato ass kisser he telling u the truth. I believe you can rock any type of event with Itch right now. If not, sell it and move on that simple.
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Dj cerla in Serato kiss ass shock!!Hardly. Check out my post history: overall, I'm obvioulsy an happy camper, but I've been very harsh with Serato several times (wav bug, keylock, up to instant start in 2008).
And what you can't read are my PMs to developers: trust me, more ass-kicking than ass-licking for sure ;)
+1 I use to think the same thing about Cerla but he ain't no Serato ass kisser he telling u the truth. I believe you can rock any type of event with Itch right now. If not, sell it and move on that simple.
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Markabre
5:55 PM - 27 August, 2012
Such machismo!
Yes, one could probably rock any type of event with any number of solutions with a sufficient level of skill, heck even with "toy" hardware and software (if the DJ's fragile ego could survive it.)
Hendrix could have wrapped an elastic band around a tissue box and rocked the show. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have seriously preferred the qualities of a decent Fender Strat.
Yes, one could probably rock any type of event with any number of solutions with a sufficient level of skill, heck even with "toy" hardware and software (if the DJ's fragile ego could survive it.)
Hendrix could have wrapped an elastic band around a tissue box and rocked the show. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have seriously preferred the qualities of a decent Fender Strat.
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XRM5
5:57 PM - 27 August, 2012
If the both of you don't want anything more from Itch then why are you here?
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djcerla
6:37 PM - 27 August, 2012
Fender Stratocaster? What else than a couple V7s on a Pioneer mixer is the DJ controller equivalent?
ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more. The day I will want to do heavy live remixing I will likely switch to Ableton Live, but I don't see this happening anytime soon. I feel too good in front of the audience with such a transparent "interface" between my music, my emotions and the crowd.
ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more. The day I will want to do heavy live remixing I will likely switch to Ableton Live, but I don't see this happening anytime soon. I feel too good in front of the audience with such a transparent "interface" between my music, my emotions and the crowd.
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Markabre
6:52 PM - 27 August, 2012
I think that's what the majority of us want.
Perhaps with the addition of The Bridge. but i'll give Serato the benefit of the doubt and suggest that the lack of bridge may be down to Ableton as much as it is Serato.
So we're basically on the same team here.
Once 2.2.2 is final it will be all Serato have to show for six months of development work. In the faster paced world of app stores this kind of changelog looks more like the typical product of six weeks of bug hunting.
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"just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more.I think that's what the majority of us want.
Perhaps with the addition of The Bridge. but i'll give Serato the benefit of the doubt and suggest that the lack of bridge may be down to Ableton as much as it is Serato.
So we're basically on the same team here.
Once 2.2.2 is final it will be all Serato have to show for six months of development work. In the faster paced world of app stores this kind of changelog looks more like the typical product of six weeks of bug hunting.
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blackavenger
6:55 PM - 27 August, 2012
Now that FLAC is a reality, I don't need anything else besides those either. I would still like for the SP-6 to behave more like Traktor's Sample Player/Recorder, but I could get by without it.
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ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping. I'm not asking for more.Now that FLAC is a reality, I don't need anything else besides those either. I would still like for the SP-6 to behave more like Traktor's Sample Player/Recorder, but I could get by without it.
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revancheX
7:49 PM - 27 August, 2012
The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
True story, I've had one venue's 2000s crash on me 5 times now. Just using USB sticks.
With a controller (or your own gear of any sort), you know it works because you take care of it.
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I'm already back to SSL. Bought a 61 instead of a VCI-380.The problem is that most gigs are much easier to handle with a controller. Clubs aren't maintaining their 1200s or mixers like they should... And Itch just isn't a professional standard in the way that SSL is.
Even the name ITCH itself seems like a precursor to Scratch(Live). It's as though it's intro software (INTRO being the limited trial version of ITCH) ... If you really want to be professional by Serato's standards you buy Rane and live in a perfect world when it comes to club equipment.
True story, I've had one venue's 2000s crash on me 5 times now. Just using USB sticks.
With a controller (or your own gear of any sort), you know it works because you take care of it.
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DJ CAPRO
7:53 PM - 27 August, 2012
It's amazing how far from perfect you get with just a couple basic features being mediocre...
The fact the FX are still the gigantic elephant in the room that will never be addressed of gives me chronic apathy with regards to what I normally consider the fun part of my life...
Consumer enthusiasm zero Serato, FYI.
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ITCH is very close to perfection for that kind of "traditional" setup; just fix keylock, FX and add a layer of limited MIDI mapping.It's amazing how far from perfect you get with just a couple basic features being mediocre...
The fact the FX are still the gigantic elephant in the room that will never be addressed of gives me chronic apathy with regards to what I normally consider the fun part of my life...
Consumer enthusiasm zero Serato, FYI.
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djcerla
8:38 PM - 27 August, 2012
Uh???? Serato has expressely stated it's on the to do list, together with improved keylock and MIDI.
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FX are still the gigantic elephant in the room that will never be addressed.Uh???? Serato has expressely stated it's on the to do list, together with improved keylock and MIDI.
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Kingsidney
8:44 PM - 27 August, 2012
They haven't expressly stated anything. That's the whole point of this thread
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DJ CAPRO
8:58 PM - 27 August, 2012
Uh???? Serato has expressely stated it's on the to do list, together with improved keylock and MIDI.
Oh yes, forgot about the boilerplate "We are always looking for ways to improve our product, and ______ is on our to-do list, however I can not give you a timeframe or any details whatsoever"
If these issues where about library management, GUI, cuepoints, etc. I wouldn't be so vexed. The problems that have a detrimental effect the actual sound of the music should be priority #1 and we will be going on year 3 with not so much as a peep about any actual improvements with DJ effects, key lock, etc.
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FX are still the gigantic elephant in the room that will never be addressed.Uh???? Serato has expressely stated it's on the to do list, together with improved keylock and MIDI.
Oh yes, forgot about the boilerplate "We are always looking for ways to improve our product, and ______ is on our to-do list, however I can not give you a timeframe or any details whatsoever"
If these issues where about library management, GUI, cuepoints, etc. I wouldn't be so vexed. The problems that have a detrimental effect the actual sound of the music should be priority #1 and we will be going on year 3 with not so much as a peep about any actual improvements with DJ effects, key lock, etc.
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djcerla
9:06 PM - 27 August, 2012
There is no exact timeframe for your death. But, boy, it will happen ;)
Same goes for those 3 juicy software items. Mark these words.
Same goes for those 3 juicy software items. Mark these words.
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LEDPaint
9:23 PM - 27 August, 2012
Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?
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revancheX
9:23 PM - 27 August, 2012
Haha, Cerla is awesome. He's probably the reason I don't give up on Serato just yet, to be honest. But we'll take my pulse again after I get my Maschine. ;)
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breakermixer
9:25 PM - 27 August, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com
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Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?Watchwww.youtube.com
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LEDPaint
9:28 PM - 27 August, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com
So that's what he did before becoming a dj, eh? Thought he looked familiar.
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Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?Watchwww.youtube.com
So that's what he did before becoming a dj, eh? Thought he looked familiar.
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Ice Pilot
10:24 PM - 27 August, 2012
Better FX have officially been "in the pipeline" since at least early 2011.
By any standards, it's a f***** long dry pipe.
Almost seems like there isn't even a pump at the other end.
On the other hand, useless random shit like Intro & Video occasionally drops out...
By any standards, it's a f***** long dry pipe.
Almost seems like there isn't even a pump at the other end.
On the other hand, useless random shit like Intro & Video occasionally drops out...
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ImShifty
10:27 PM - 27 August, 2012
ROFLMAO
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so disappointed Its a slap in the face from Serato FX upgrade is the simplest thing to implement. I'd love to know why it hasn't been done maybe a good way to boycott serato would be to say the software I use is virtual DJ at all the events where people ask if its virtual DJ with a serato skin, this way I can save the future DJs from the deception of a company that announced the bridge and better fx years ago and still cant get it together!ROFLMAO
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djcerla
11:08 PM - 27 August, 2012
I've tried hard but nope. They didn't hire me after they read this serato.com and this serato.com
;-)
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Out of curisoity, Cerla, is Serato sponsoring you or are you an employee?I've tried hard but nope. They didn't hire me after they read this serato.com and this serato.com
;-)
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revancheX
11:32 PM - 27 August, 2012
You know, Traktor Pro was a piece of crap between 2008 and 2011. It was entirely freaking unusable during that period, unless you enjoyed crashing 10 times in your set. I think if NI gets three years to get crap together, you could give Serato at least 2.
And at no time has ITCH been actually unusable. Just not as good as we would like it to be.
And at no time has ITCH been actually unusable. Just not as good as we would like it to be.
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Samuel S
11:51 PM - 27 August, 2012
Hey guys,
As I have mentioned earlier, this release isn't the direct result of 5 - 6 months of development across the entire company. We have a number of teams, many of which have been working at building updates that are to come later in the year and will address many of the features and additions that you have all been wanting. This release has been worked on by a small proportion of the development team and is about delivering some new features and a number of bug fixes and improvements while we continue to work on delivering everything else.
I know it might seem completely underwhelming but rest assured, we are listening, your requests are all in the backlog and the teams are working towards this.
Sam.
As I have mentioned earlier, this release isn't the direct result of 5 - 6 months of development across the entire company. We have a number of teams, many of which have been working at building updates that are to come later in the year and will address many of the features and additions that you have all been wanting. This release has been worked on by a small proportion of the development team and is about delivering some new features and a number of bug fixes and improvements while we continue to work on delivering everything else.
I know it might seem completely underwhelming but rest assured, we are listening, your requests are all in the backlog and the teams are working towards this.
Sam.
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AMAD3U5
12:18 AM - 28 August, 2012
Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
Agreed dude,
I've said before in this discussion that I have a little Traktor envy but that was more to do with certain features, not the whole platform. IMHO, ITCH is a far more streamlined, elegant and just all round nicer feeling. Sure there are some issues, but they are more to do with missing features. I can honestly say I have never had a crash with my NS6. So far 100% stable (haven't got the beta yet but I'm excited about 2 Deck view). I guess slow released features is the price we pay for stability. To those complaining, go ahead and try out Traktor. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys how you can acquire a 'free' copy. Go ahead, try it out. Then – if you still think ITCH sucks a fat one – you should go ahead and buy a legit copy and stop bitching and whining to the point that these SERATO dudes just want to give up.
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Uh? What's wrong with this release? They fixed a ton of bugs and added long standing features requests (2 decks wiew, FLAC support). And it feels very stable so far.Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
Agreed dude,
I've said before in this discussion that I have a little Traktor envy but that was more to do with certain features, not the whole platform. IMHO, ITCH is a far more streamlined, elegant and just all round nicer feeling. Sure there are some issues, but they are more to do with missing features. I can honestly say I have never had a crash with my NS6. So far 100% stable (haven't got the beta yet but I'm excited about 2 Deck view). I guess slow released features is the price we pay for stability. To those complaining, go ahead and try out Traktor. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys how you can acquire a 'free' copy. Go ahead, try it out. Then – if you still think ITCH sucks a fat one – you should go ahead and buy a legit copy and stop bitching and whining to the point that these SERATO dudes just want to give up.
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acemc
1:07 AM - 28 August, 2012
Prepare to be disappointed with the 2-deck view.
It's like a promise to implement midi mapping, after a year of waiting they release an update allowing you to map one button............ to quit the app! But hey - they gave us midi mapping.
It's like a promise to implement midi mapping, after a year of waiting they release an update allowing you to map one button............ to quit the app! But hey - they gave us midi mapping.
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Simon Love Carter
1:10 AM - 28 August, 2012
Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
Agreed dude,
I've said before in this discussion that I have a little Traktor envy but that was more to do with certain features, not the whole platform. IMHO, ITCH is a far more streamlined, elegant and just all round nicer feeling. Sure there are some issues, but they are more to do with missing features. I can honestly say I have never had a crash with my NS6. So far 100% stable (haven't got the beta yet but I'm excited about 2 Deck view). I guess slow released features is the price we pay for stability. To those complaining, go ahead and try out Traktor. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys how you can acquire a 'free' copy. Go ahead, try it out. Then – if you still think ITCH sucks a fat one – you should go ahead and buy a legit copy and stop bitching and whining to the point that these SERATO dudes just want to give up.
You're right AMAD3U5, but remember most of the people here has an ITCH controller that can't be used with traktor (numark v7, ns7, pioneer ddj-s1).
Ok ITCH is a way too stable than traktor is and ok it has a lack on fx and keylock quality, but simply most of us can't try out competitor's softwares because of the controller we bought! We'd like to have those things 'cause we can't use other software without spending more money or change the hardware we use!
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Uh? What's wrong with this release? They fixed a ton of bugs and added long standing features requests (2 decks wiew, FLAC support). And it feels very stable so far.Professional whiners should just jump ship and taste how delicious is the other guys' juice. I personally got saddened enough by Traktor, but you have to actually live with it for several months to understand how much ITCH is better and nicer (if far from perfect) for "standard" DJ duties.
If you need to do complex stuff, then blame yourself for the poor researching: ITCH clearly wasn't the right choice.
Agreed dude,
I've said before in this discussion that I have a little Traktor envy but that was more to do with certain features, not the whole platform. IMHO, ITCH is a far more streamlined, elegant and just all round nicer feeling. Sure there are some issues, but they are more to do with missing features. I can honestly say I have never had a crash with my NS6. So far 100% stable (haven't got the beta yet but I'm excited about 2 Deck view). I guess slow released features is the price we pay for stability. To those complaining, go ahead and try out Traktor. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys how you can acquire a 'free' copy. Go ahead, try it out. Then – if you still think ITCH sucks a fat one – you should go ahead and buy a legit copy and stop bitching and whining to the point that these SERATO dudes just want to give up.
You're right AMAD3U5, but remember most of the people here has an ITCH controller that can't be used with traktor (numark v7, ns7, pioneer ddj-s1).
Ok ITCH is a way too stable than traktor is and ok it has a lack on fx and keylock quality, but simply most of us can't try out competitor's softwares because of the controller we bought! We'd like to have those things 'cause we can't use other software without spending more money or change the hardware we use!
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DJ Boom Bap
2:20 AM - 28 August, 2012
You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
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AMAD3U5
2:20 AM - 28 August, 2012
Ok ITCH is a way too stable than traktor is and ok it has a lack on fx and keylock quality, but simply most of us can't try out competitor's softwares because of the controller we bought! We'd like to have those things 'cause we can't use other software without spending more money or change the hardware we use!
Sorry V7, NS7 and DDJ-S1 guys,
I didn't consider/realise this. Yep, if you were in that predicament then I can understand the lack of faith and frustration. From my point of view (NS6), there are the things I want – SP6 controller or mapping, better fx, 2 deck view (acemc, you reckon it's a no go??) – but for the most part, ITCH gets the job done and it gets it done well. I have been able to use the NS6 with other software and I keep coming back to the good, but far from perfect, ITCH. IMHO once/if they produce what a lot of us are asking for, then it will be (again, in my opinion) 'the' standard in digital controller DJing.
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You're right AMAD3U5, but remember most of the people here has an ITCH controller that can't be used with traktor (numark v7, ns7, pioneer ddj-s1).Ok ITCH is a way too stable than traktor is and ok it has a lack on fx and keylock quality, but simply most of us can't try out competitor's softwares because of the controller we bought! We'd like to have those things 'cause we can't use other software without spending more money or change the hardware we use!
Sorry V7, NS7 and DDJ-S1 guys,
I didn't consider/realise this. Yep, if you were in that predicament then I can understand the lack of faith and frustration. From my point of view (NS6), there are the things I want – SP6 controller or mapping, better fx, 2 deck view (acemc, you reckon it's a no go??) – but for the most part, ITCH gets the job done and it gets it done well. I have been able to use the NS6 with other software and I keep coming back to the good, but far from perfect, ITCH. IMHO once/if they produce what a lot of us are asking for, then it will be (again, in my opinion) 'the' standard in digital controller DJing.
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AMAD3U5
2:25 AM - 28 August, 2012
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
Dude, I totally would but I got a few gigs coming up real soon and I don't wanna risk a crash. What do people who have got it think so far??? Stable? Can you install the beta alongside ITCH 2.2?? Like when there was a NS6 ITCH and the normal ITCH?? Noob question maybe, but I've never actually followed a release like this and known about a beta before.
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You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
Dude, I totally would but I got a few gigs coming up real soon and I don't wanna risk a crash. What do people who have got it think so far??? Stable? Can you install the beta alongside ITCH 2.2?? Like when there was a NS6 ITCH and the normal ITCH?? Noob question maybe, but I've never actually followed a release like this and known about a beta before.
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AMAD3U5
2:28 AM - 28 August, 2012
I pussed out when I read this.
"Before participating in the ITCH 2.2.2 and Serato Video 1.1 Public Beta, you must accept that this version should be treated as unstable, and used at your own risk. Serato accepts no responsibility for damage to audio files, the ITCH library or crates, public humiliation, booing from the crowd or lost gigs"
Unfortunately I'll have to leave the testing to you folks who are game enough or have two systems
"Before participating in the ITCH 2.2.2 and Serato Video 1.1 Public Beta, you must accept that this version should be treated as unstable, and used at your own risk. Serato accepts no responsibility for damage to audio files, the ITCH library or crates, public humiliation, booing from the crowd or lost gigs"
Unfortunately I'll have to leave the testing to you folks who are game enough or have two systems
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DJ Boom Bap
2:34 AM - 28 August, 2012
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
Dude, I totally would but I got a few gigs coming up real soon and I don't wanna risk a crash. What do people who have got it think so far??? Stable? Can you install the beta alongside ITCH 2.2?? Like when there was a NS6 ITCH and the normal ITCH?? Noob question maybe, but I've never actually followed a release like this and known about a beta before.
I understand, I have weekly gigs also, but I will also find 2 hours before Friday to send the beta through the ringer.
The only way this stuff can get fixed, and the software improved, is if we all take a little time to really test it. Both practice and live.
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You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
Dude, I totally would but I got a few gigs coming up real soon and I don't wanna risk a crash. What do people who have got it think so far??? Stable? Can you install the beta alongside ITCH 2.2?? Like when there was a NS6 ITCH and the normal ITCH?? Noob question maybe, but I've never actually followed a release like this and known about a beta before.
I understand, I have weekly gigs also, but I will also find 2 hours before Friday to send the beta through the ringer.
The only way this stuff can get fixed, and the software improved, is if we all take a little time to really test it. Both practice and live.
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Kingsidney
2:38 AM - 28 August, 2012
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
The last year long wait for 2.0 was sold as a complete rework to align with scratch live, so future updates wouldn't drag on for months like this. It's their fault for ramping up expectations of speedier updates.
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You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
The last year long wait for 2.0 was sold as a complete rework to align with scratch live, so future updates wouldn't drag on for months like this. It's their fault for ramping up expectations of speedier updates.
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Maskrider
2:57 AM - 28 August, 2012
How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
+1
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You guys act like all this stuff is super easy to implement. I would like all those features as well, and but damn.............How about instead of bitching about what's not there, you guys help find some of the the new bugs so we can all move on and move forward.
+1
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Maskrider
3:06 AM - 28 August, 2012
I've been using ITCH since it started.....Call me a fanboy nothing but outmost respect for this Software.
Developers are really paying attention to bug reports let's take advantage of it so we can have better things in the future.
Developers are really paying attention to bug reports let's take advantage of it so we can have better things in the future.
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acemc
3:59 AM - 28 August, 2012
This update seems stable enough to me. I had a good 2hr jam session earlier with no hiccups.
I can only vouch for the bare basic's of djing though - I'm not bothered with struggling to remember
keyboard shortcuts for sample decks and the only effects that sound decent to me is braker & loop roll. So doing basic deck to deck mixing seems stable enough to do a gig on. Wrt the 2-deck view, all that has changed is there is one extra view option added to the end of the list. The screen real estate is almost identical to the browser view except where the bottom 2 decks were, you now have 2 thin waveforms taking their place. Oh well, I'm done moaning now. I still hold hope - but not high at all though.
I can only vouch for the bare basic's of djing though - I'm not bothered with struggling to remember
keyboard shortcuts for sample decks and the only effects that sound decent to me is braker & loop roll. So doing basic deck to deck mixing seems stable enough to do a gig on. Wrt the 2-deck view, all that has changed is there is one extra view option added to the end of the list. The screen real estate is almost identical to the browser view except where the bottom 2 decks were, you now have 2 thin waveforms taking their place. Oh well, I'm done moaning now. I still hold hope - but not high at all though.
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DJ CAPRO
4:37 AM - 28 August, 2012
whatever with you guys talking wow stable on my shit PC
if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
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phatbob
6:46 AM - 28 August, 2012
if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
Are you SERIOUSLY holding up Apple Pro software as a paragon of user-responsive development? Now I've really heard it all. GTFO.
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whatever with you guys talking wow stable on my shit PCif this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
Are you SERIOUSLY holding up Apple Pro software as a paragon of user-responsive development? Now I've really heard it all. GTFO.
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djemdub
7:22 AM - 28 August, 2012
As a comp sci major, I know how long it can take to code a single piece of software..let alone software specified for each different controller. It takes a lot of time and patience! Was I one of the guys ranting?yes, but I did mention that is be happy of Serato would just chime in, and once they did, I shut my mouth and waited..now we have a maintenance release with 2 highly anticipated features..was I expecting more?yes, but if they say that this release isn't a direct result of 5-6 months of development, then just be patient..
The fx sounds like an easy fix in theory,(just swap out the plug in for the SL one) but it isn't as simple as we may think..if Serato itch and SL have different names of variables, objects, classes(depending on what language itch is in), and different structures, it may be very time consuming..i don't know if this is really the case, but it is my 2 cents..don't discourage the Serato team..give them their time
The fx sounds like an easy fix in theory,(just swap out the plug in for the SL one) but it isn't as simple as we may think..if Serato itch and SL have different names of variables, objects, classes(depending on what language itch is in), and different structures, it may be very time consuming..i don't know if this is really the case, but it is my 2 cents..don't discourage the Serato team..give them their time
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djemdub
7:24 AM - 28 August, 2012
Not to mention that my 2nd gen core i3 win7 pc runs itch flawlessly with the ns6 and I get all sorts of issues trying to run traktor on my machine :)
I can't even do a backspin without the CPU usage bar maxing out and causing distorted sound and pops from traktor
I can't even do a backspin without the CPU usage bar maxing out and causing distorted sound and pops from traktor
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Martin C
8:17 AM - 28 August, 2012
Exactly this, its just not that simple. If we could just plug in the Scratch Live FX into ITCH, we would have done it already.
A lot of brand new code is being written in this area for future flexibility, so hopefully we can just "plug" FX in :)
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The fx sounds like an easy fix in theory,(just swap out the plug in for the SL one) but it isn't as simple as we may think..if Serato itch and SL have different names of variables, objects, classes(depending on what language itch is in), and different structures, it may be very time consuming..i don't know if this is really the case, but it is my 2 cents..don't discourage the Serato team..give them their timeExactly this, its just not that simple. If we could just plug in the Scratch Live FX into ITCH, we would have done it already.
A lot of brand new code is being written in this area for future flexibility, so hopefully we can just "plug" FX in :)
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djcerla
8:20 AM - 28 August, 2012
As a Logic user since 1994 I completely disagree.
There are still bugs from the Emagic era that, despite being reported, have never been fixed or got even worse. Stability wise it's not even to compare to ITCH (various problems a day vs. perfect stability). Bugfixes may take up to one year. And NOBODY from the Apple dev team is on Logic Pro Discussions, so users are left totally in the dark until the update arrives.
Last, Logic developement has been basically non-existant for years, and focused mainly on integration of iOS devices and Garageband, nothing that a pro cares. This will of course change with the rumored Logic Pro X.
Don't get me wrong: I love Logic and use it every day, but make no mistake, it's no user request's heaven.
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if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...As a Logic user since 1994 I completely disagree.
There are still bugs from the Emagic era that, despite being reported, have never been fixed or got even worse. Stability wise it's not even to compare to ITCH (various problems a day vs. perfect stability). Bugfixes may take up to one year. And NOBODY from the Apple dev team is on Logic Pro Discussions, so users are left totally in the dark until the update arrives.
Last, Logic developement has been basically non-existant for years, and focused mainly on integration of iOS devices and Garageband, nothing that a pro cares. This will of course change with the rumored Logic Pro X.
Don't get me wrong: I love Logic and use it every day, but make no mistake, it's no user request's heaven.
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acemc
11:29 AM - 28 August, 2012
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Markabre
11:39 AM - 28 August, 2012
I've casually used 2.2.2 for about 4 hours now. The good news is it seems pretty stable.
I must say I'm surprised that Itch & SSL don't share an incredibly similar architecture. Especially after all the talk of architectural changes in 2.0 that would speed up development. It seems illogical and like you're making life harder for yourselves for the sake of it... but then I'm no coder...
So if Itch is going through a snow leopard "few new features but lots of under-the-hood refinements" kind of phase? If so I do hope some of the refinements actually have a tangible benefit to the end user.
I must say I'm surprised that Itch & SSL don't share an incredibly similar architecture. Especially after all the talk of architectural changes in 2.0 that would speed up development. It seems illogical and like you're making life harder for yourselves for the sake of it... but then I'm no coder...
So if Itch is going through a snow leopard "few new features but lots of under-the-hood refinements" kind of phase? If so I do hope some of the refinements actually have a tangible benefit to the end user.
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DJ CAPRO
2:17 PM - 28 August, 2012
if this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
Are you SERIOUSLY holding up Apple Pro software as a paragon of user-responsive development? Now I've really heard it all. GTFO.
Bah, I'm just frustrated. All I meant to say was pick any random software with regards to say the problem of the Echo effect...
The Echo was OK in ITCH 1.5, and then it was crippled on 1.7 by making it decay too quickly.
It doesn't seem like anything is ever going to be done about this and it's just maddening because in this instance how difficult could it possibly be?
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whatever with you guys talking wow stable on my shit PCif this was a Logic forum and somebody was saying "wow that effect sounds weak as hell" guaranteed that would be getting fixed up fast...
Please stop making excuses like this is some New Zealand laundromat
Are you SERIOUSLY holding up Apple Pro software as a paragon of user-responsive development? Now I've really heard it all. GTFO.
Bah, I'm just frustrated. All I meant to say was pick any random software with regards to say the problem of the Echo effect...
The Echo was OK in ITCH 1.5, and then it was crippled on 1.7 by making it decay too quickly.
It doesn't seem like anything is ever going to be done about this and it's just maddening because in this instance how difficult could it possibly be?
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DJ Fluke 613
3:25 PM - 28 August, 2012
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Thanks , is that the new 2 deck mode with an ns6 ?
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Thanks , is that the new 2 deck mode with an ns6 ?
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JBoogz
5:53 PM - 28 August, 2012
I have yet to try the Beta release, but does the 2 deck mode for NS6 allow for vertical wave forms, or just the horizontal ones?
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acemc
6:36 PM - 28 August, 2012
What you see is what you get - img820.imageshack.us
Only one 2-deck view (horizontal)
Only one 2-deck view (horizontal)
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blackavenger
6:38 PM - 28 August, 2012
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed with just this one view. Though, we are in the early stages of Beta, so "maybe" they might introduce other views.
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed with just this one view. Though, we are in the early stages of Beta, so "maybe" they might introduce other views.
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JBoogz
7:08 PM - 28 August, 2012
Two deck option with ability to utilize any view would be nothing short of SWEET!!!
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acemc
7:30 PM - 28 August, 2012
That's honestly what I thought would have been done. It could be implemented so that whichever view you are in, when the layer button is pressed it changes between 2 & 4 decks respectively.
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Two deck option with ability to utilize any view would be nothing short of SWEET!!!That's honestly what I thought would have been done. It could be implemented so that whichever view you are in, when the layer button is pressed it changes between 2 & 4 decks respectively.
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Martin C
8:50 PM - 28 August, 2012
Everything our developers do in the software is intended to benefit the end user as a result. Some work done may actually help increase the development time for future feature additions and controller support, so although in the short term, this benefits our developers and hardware partners only, the underlying reason why these things are done, will benefit the end user overall.
With regards the 2 deck mode, it was something that has been a long standing request but when it came time to implement, it often got bumped down the list as other things took priority.
The team that worked on this ITCH beta, and the Support team, took it on as a personal mission to make sure that there was at least ONE 2 deck view mode in this version of ITCH. We all made an effort to convince our product team that this was something you guys needed badly, so I hope you can appreciate that it happened.
We would definitely like to have all the other views displaying only 2 decks in all view modes in the future, but its good to get your guys feedback now on how you expect it to work before we do that. When it comes time to do that, we want to try and do it right :)
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So if Itch is going through a snow leopard "few new features but lots of under-the-hood refinements" kind of phase? If so I do hope some of the refinements actually have a tangible benefit to the end user.Everything our developers do in the software is intended to benefit the end user as a result. Some work done may actually help increase the development time for future feature additions and controller support, so although in the short term, this benefits our developers and hardware partners only, the underlying reason why these things are done, will benefit the end user overall.
With regards the 2 deck mode, it was something that has been a long standing request but when it came time to implement, it often got bumped down the list as other things took priority.
The team that worked on this ITCH beta, and the Support team, took it on as a personal mission to make sure that there was at least ONE 2 deck view mode in this version of ITCH. We all made an effort to convince our product team that this was something you guys needed badly, so I hope you can appreciate that it happened.
We would definitely like to have all the other views displaying only 2 decks in all view modes in the future, but its good to get your guys feedback now on how you expect it to work before we do that. When it comes time to do that, we want to try and do it right :)
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acemc
9:58 PM - 28 August, 2012
Considering that the product has been developed for the end user. It's very surprising that the product teams priorities can differ so greatly from the product users. Your efforts are still really appreciated though - Thank you. Can you verify whether the 2-deck view not being selectable with the NS6 "view" button is actually a bug or if this is the way it was intended & will remain?
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Martin C
10:42 PM - 28 August, 2012
The Product Team do a good job to move the software into the future, and have a much more long term vision about how it can be better for the users.
The Support and Customer Response Development Team react to the users on the frontline, so we do our best to apply pressure to make certain things such as this happen when we think is necessary.
The Product Team have to find a good balance in making sure the other development teams focus on the now AND the future appropriately.
Your question is a good one, but I can't answer it right now. You will receive a response in your thread in the beta area as soon as possible.
The Support and Customer Response Development Team react to the users on the frontline, so we do our best to apply pressure to make certain things such as this happen when we think is necessary.
The Product Team have to find a good balance in making sure the other development teams focus on the now AND the future appropriately.
Your question is a good one, but I can't answer it right now. You will receive a response in your thread in the beta area as soon as possible.
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AMAD3U5
12:35 AM - 29 August, 2012
With regards the 2 deck mode, it was something that has been a long standing request but when it came time to implement, it often got bumped down the list as other things took priority.
The team that worked on this ITCH beta, and the Support team, took it on as a personal mission to make sure that there was at least ONE 2 deck view mode in this version of ITCH. We all made an effort to convince our product team that this was something you guys needed badly, so I hope you can appreciate that it happened.
We would definitely like to have all the other views displaying only 2 decks in all view modes in the future, but its good to get your guys feedback now on how you expect it to work before we do that. When it comes time to do that, we want to try and do it right :)
I don't know what everyone else wanted Martin, but this is exactly the view I wanted. The 2 decks give me a lot more screen real estate on my 13" MacBook. It would be nice if the switch view button could be used to switch through all the views but I'm guessing that'll come with the final release??
Anyway, cheers ITCH team.
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With regards the 2 deck mode, it was something that has been a long standing request but when it came time to implement, it often got bumped down the list as other things took priority.
The team that worked on this ITCH beta, and the Support team, took it on as a personal mission to make sure that there was at least ONE 2 deck view mode in this version of ITCH. We all made an effort to convince our product team that this was something you guys needed badly, so I hope you can appreciate that it happened.
We would definitely like to have all the other views displaying only 2 decks in all view modes in the future, but its good to get your guys feedback now on how you expect it to work before we do that. When it comes time to do that, we want to try and do it right :)
I don't know what everyone else wanted Martin, but this is exactly the view I wanted. The 2 decks give me a lot more screen real estate on my 13" MacBook. It would be nice if the switch view button could be used to switch through all the views but I'm guessing that'll come with the final release??
Anyway, cheers ITCH team.
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Martin C
1:29 AM - 29 August, 2012
Thanks AMAD3U5, Im glad that this will improve your ITCH experience.
Regarding the view button being able to switch to this view, Acemc has actually logged this issue in the beta area, I don't know for sure if it will happen, but I would say its likely our team will do their best go get this to happen before it goes to final release.
Follow this thread if you wish to keep up to date with any further development for this issue: serato.com
Regarding the view button being able to switch to this view, Acemc has actually logged this issue in the beta area, I don't know for sure if it will happen, but I would say its likely our team will do their best go get this to happen before it goes to final release.
Follow this thread if you wish to keep up to date with any further development for this issue: serato.com
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acemc
1:32 AM - 29 August, 2012
AMAD3U5 - The reason I was moaning is because this hasn't been implemented properly. Fortunately you just happen to prefer this particular layout. The fact is that this will be a hit & miss with different users. Ideally each user should be able to select his preferred layout. I guess I'll eventually get used to it though.
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AMAD3U5
3:50 AM - 29 August, 2012
Yeah, I totally understand dude. It's a shame there's only one view mode with a 2 Deck view option. My thoughts are that perhaps there could be a universal 2-4 Deck view switch. Then you could select 'universally' whether you want to use 2 or 4 Decks and then use the view button to cycle through all the standard views if that makes sense. I've mocked up what this could look like???
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AMAD3U5 - The reason I was moaning is because this hasn't been implemented properly. Fortunately you just happen to prefer this particular layout. The fact is that this will be a hit & miss with different users. Ideally each user should be able to select his preferred layout. I guess I'll eventually get used to it though.Yeah, I totally understand dude. It's a shame there's only one view mode with a 2 Deck view option. My thoughts are that perhaps there could be a universal 2-4 Deck view switch. Then you could select 'universally' whether you want to use 2 or 4 Decks and then use the view button to cycle through all the standard views if that makes sense. I've mocked up what this could look like???
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B.Hollywood
8:37 AM - 29 August, 2012
Cheers,
Sam.
I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.
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As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.Cheers,
Sam.
I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.
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signs
9:37 AM - 29 August, 2012
Yeah, I totally understand dude. It's a shame there's only one view mode with a 2 Deck view option. My thoughts are that perhaps there could be a universal 2-4 Deck view switch. Then you could select 'universally' whether you want to use 2 or 4 Decks and then use the view button to cycle through all the standard views if that makes sense. I've mocked up what this could look like???
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Well. I think that's enough. There's no Need for more Space with the other View's (I think).
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AMAD3U5 - The reason I was moaning is because this hasn't been implemented properly. Fortunately you just happen to prefer this particular layout. The fact is that this will be a hit & miss with different users. Ideally each user should be able to select his preferred layout. I guess I'll eventually get used to it though.Yeah, I totally understand dude. It's a shame there's only one view mode with a 2 Deck view option. My thoughts are that perhaps there could be a universal 2-4 Deck view switch. Then you could select 'universally' whether you want to use 2 or 4 Decks and then use the view button to cycle through all the standard views if that makes sense. I've mocked up what this could look like???
i45.tinypic.com
Well. I think that's enough. There's no Need for more Space with the other View's (I think).
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Martin C
9:45 AM - 29 August, 2012
Cheers,
Sam.
I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.
Sorry B.Hollywood, thats another Sam you are thinking of, Samuel S works in Artist Development, but drops in on the forum when he can!
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As I mentioned earlier, this release is not the only thing we are working on. There are further updates and releases we are working on that will address many of the long standing requests you have all had. As you all know, I can't share a roadmap for this though unfortunately.Cheers,
Sam.
I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.
Sorry B.Hollywood, thats another Sam you are thinking of, Samuel S works in Artist Development, but drops in on the forum when he can!
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blackavenger
12:02 PM - 29 August, 2012
I haven't seen that Sam post in quite a while. He used to be all over this board.
Sam S. has incredible taste in Drum n' Bass ;)
Just had to put that out there :)
Tokyo Prose "Lpk Sound" FTW!
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I dont know how many people know this but the above quote, correct me if im wrong, is written by Sam Stokes the CEO of Serato, which is pretty cool of him to drop in and give us an update.I haven't seen that Sam post in quite a while. He used to be all over this board.
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Samuel S works in Artist Development, but drops in on the forum when he can!Sam S. has incredible taste in Drum n' Bass ;)
Just had to put that out there :)
Tokyo Prose "Lpk Sound" FTW!
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Samuel S
8:58 PM - 29 August, 2012
Haha! Yes, alas, I am not the CEO guys. I'm the artist relations and social media manager here but drop in on the forum from time to time :)
"Big Sam" is mega busy these days. I'm sure he'd love to drop in here more and talk with you all though. He still reads a lot, just might not have the time to actually come in and post.
Sam.
"Big Sam" is mega busy these days. I'm sure he'd love to drop in here more and talk with you all though. He still reads a lot, just might not have the time to actually come in and post.
Sam.
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B.Hollywood
5:21 AM - 30 August, 2012
Haha, cheers from the correction and thanks for you time anyways Sam S! Im sure the Big Guy is busy however we do appreciate your time. It must be hard always getting "i want i want" messages and considering the scope of your company you guys are doing well.
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DJ Steadson
12:10 AM - 31 August, 2012
Hey serato I am new to this forum and I own the Ns6 and the Itch Software. As you know the Ns6 don't have VUE meters for the four playing Decks. I notice that the Sample decks do have VUE Meters. how could that be? All the other major Software have VUE Meters. Please serato make us Deejays happy by adding VUE Meters in this update it cant be that hard. look if you do this we will love you even more.
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djemdub
12:53 AM - 31 August, 2012
A work around will be hold the cue button of the channel's VUE meter you want to check..if your ears are trained, you ahoyldnt really need it :)
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Hey serato I am new to this forum and I own the Ns6 and the Itch Software. As you know the Ns6 don't have VUE meters for the four playing Decks. I notice that the Sample decks do have VUE Meters. how could that be? All the other major Software have VUE Meters. Please serato make us Deejays happy by adding VUE Meters in this update it cant be that hard. look if you do this we will love you even more.A work around will be hold the cue button of the channel's VUE meter you want to check..if your ears are trained, you ahoyldnt really need it :)
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DJ Steadson
1:17 AM - 31 August, 2012
Yeah I already know about the work around on the Ns6. To be honest with you I think that sucks. Right now I do it by ear. But out of all fearness, why have a software and hardware system that's trying to compete with the other Pro software on the market, and as a company you are going to short change your customer out of the tool they need to get the job done.I think that's not good. this also apply to numark for not putting Vue meters on the hardware. what pro mixer do you see comes with no Vue meters. Look if we are pros and this is a pro software then give us what we need to get the job done.
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Martin C
4:21 AM - 31 August, 2012
Hey Steadson, thanks for the feedback, its definitely something we have plans to do :)
Unfortunately you will have to hold tight till then and use the current workaround, however I do agree, it would have been cool if the NS6 had individual meters on the unit.
Unfortunately you will have to hold tight till then and use the current workaround, however I do agree, it would have been cool if the NS6 had individual meters on the unit.
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blackavenger
5:30 AM - 31 August, 2012
Yeah, that was a MAJOR oversight by them.....especially considering that they were pushing it as a standard 4 channel mixer, aside for ITCH!
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acemc
9:28 AM - 31 August, 2012
Another good reason to give us midi mapping. I mapped the search strip led's to the deck's pfl meters in Traktor & it works like a charm. Hey - we can dream can't we.........
"I have a dream....... That one day, Serato will riiiise up....... and implement midi mapping. Midi mapping for all creeds & races of Itch dj's........ To tear down the wall's of difference, that separate the scratch live from itch dj's. I dream that Serato will build us that bridge........ a bridge along with serious effects......... effects too strong for anyone to overlook it! I hold this dream tight & look forward to that day, when we can say.........Here at last, here at last...........Thank God Almighty!....It is here at last." - Woops, I got carried away - Lol!!
"I have a dream....... That one day, Serato will riiiise up....... and implement midi mapping. Midi mapping for all creeds & races of Itch dj's........ To tear down the wall's of difference, that separate the scratch live from itch dj's. I dream that Serato will build us that bridge........ a bridge along with serious effects......... effects too strong for anyone to overlook it! I hold this dream tight & look forward to that day, when we can say.........Here at last, here at last...........Thank God Almighty!....It is here at last." - Woops, I got carried away - Lol!!
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djcerla
9:43 AM - 31 August, 2012
LOL
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"I have a dream....... That one day, Serato will riiiise up....... and implement midi mapping. Midi mapping for all creeds & races of Itch dj's........ To tear down the wall's of difference, that separate the scratch live from itch dj's. I dream that Serato will build us that bridge........ a bridge along with serious effects......... effects too strong for anyone to overlook it! I hold this dream tight & look forward to that day, when we can say.........Here at last, here at last...........Thank God Almighty!....It is here at last." - Woops, I got carried away - Lol!!LOL
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Papa Midnight
12:10 PM - 31 August, 2012
LOL
LOL! I'll admit, I got a laugh out of this.
Yeah, that was a MAJOR oversight by them.....especially considering that they were pushing it as a standard 4 channel mixer, aside for ITCH!
Didn't the device that made it's initial debut have individual VU meters per channel?
Wouldn't be the first time Numark has changed a device for production (NS7 Effects).
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"I have a dream....... That one day, Serato will riiiise up....... and implement midi mapping. Midi mapping for all creeds & races of Itch dj's........ To tear down the wall's of difference, that separate the scratch live from itch dj's. I dream that Serato will build us that bridge........ a bridge along with serious effects......... effects too strong for anyone to overlook it! I hold this dream tight & look forward to that day, when we can say.........Here at last, here at last...........Thank God Almighty!....It is here at last." - Woops, I got carried away - Lol!!LOL
LOL! I'll admit, I got a laugh out of this.
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I do agree, it would have been cool if the NS6 had individual meters on the unit.Yeah, that was a MAJOR oversight by them.....especially considering that they were pushing it as a standard 4 channel mixer, aside for ITCH!
Didn't the device that made it's initial debut have individual VU meters per channel?
Wouldn't be the first time Numark has changed a device for production (NS7 Effects).
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blackavenger
12:41 PM - 31 August, 2012
Hmm, I was following it quite closely, and never saw a unit (NS6) with 4 VU meters.
Do you happen to have a pic of it?
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Didn't the device that made it's initial debut have individual VU meters per channel?Hmm, I was following it quite closely, and never saw a unit (NS6) with 4 VU meters.
Do you happen to have a pic of it?
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Dj Fitty
1:43 PM - 31 August, 2012
It turns out that the giveaway line in your crash log is the following...
With the advent of Serato Video and the VCI-380, my understanding is that there is no longer OSX 10.5 support.
What that crash log is saying, is that it's trying to use [code] libraries on you computer that don't exist in OSX 10.5, but OSX 10.6 and above.
I'm really sorry about that.
Sad news
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We have some information about this...It turns out that the giveaway line in your crash log is the following...
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Symbol not found: ___bzeroWith the advent of Serato Video and the VCI-380, my understanding is that there is no longer OSX 10.5 support.
What that crash log is saying, is that it's trying to use [code] libraries on you computer that don't exist in OSX 10.5, but OSX 10.6 and above.
I'm really sorry about that.
Sad news
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nik39
2:09 PM - 31 August, 2012
It turns out that the giveaway line in your crash log is the following...
With the advent of Serato Video and the VCI-380, my understanding is that there is no longer OSX 10.5 support.
What that crash log is saying, is that it's trying to use [code] libraries on you computer that don't exist in OSX 10.5, but OSX 10.6 and above.
I'm really sorry about that.
Sad news
The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.
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We have some information about this...It turns out that the giveaway line in your crash log is the following...
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Symbol not found: ___bzeroWith the advent of Serato Video and the VCI-380, my understanding is that there is no longer OSX 10.5 support.
What that crash log is saying, is that it's trying to use [code] libraries on you computer that don't exist in OSX 10.5, but OSX 10.6 and above.
I'm really sorry about that.
Sad news
The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.
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nik39
2:10 PM - 31 August, 2012
And why are we talking beta related stuff in this area, where we shouldn't?!
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Dj Fitty
4:22 PM - 31 August, 2012
The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.
That's cant be true because I still get updates from apple for my mac. Anyways, I haven't updated yet because I don't have any major issues and didn't want to change anything about my gig computer. So I guess I'll hold out for 2.3 to see if it has what I want, then I'll decided to update or not.
The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.
That's cant be true because I still get updates from apple for my mac. Anyways, I haven't updated yet because I don't have any major issues and didn't want to change anything about my gig computer. So I guess I'll hold out for 2.3 to see if it has what I want, then I'll decided to update or not.
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phatbob
4:46 PM - 31 August, 2012
At this point, 10.6 has had EIGHT point updates and runs totally stable on every mac I have, from a 2006 CoreDuo MBP onwards.
I'm always a one for late adopting, but to still be running 10.5 in 2012 is going a bit far.
I'm always a one for late adopting, but to still be running 10.5 in 2012 is going a bit far.
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LEDPaint
4:46 PM - 31 August, 2012
That's cant be true because I still get updates from apple for my mac. Anyways, I haven't updated yet because I don't have any major issues and didn't want to change anything about my gig computer. So I guess I'll hold out for 2.3 to see if it has what I want, then I'll decided to update or not.
Just an FYI, many app providers pull support for products run on obsolete OS's because they can't get support from the maker of the OS if they themselves need it. Being 100% sure you're on a currently supported manufacturer's OS is a pretty wise idea. A little googling has shown that Apple considers a hardware product obsolete at 7 years, but also OS 10.5 updates are unlikely...and that's info off of a post from 8/2011, so the updates may not be for the OS, but for some other Apple apps. I haven't looked for the equivalent of an MS update log on my Mac yet, but I'm sure it is there for you to confirm if this is the case. Going to 10.7.x is probably a good idea.
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The beta cycle is not ever yet. In other words: It doesn't necessarily mean that 10.5 support will be removed. Who knows. But.. Apple does not support 10.5 anymore either. Time to update.That's cant be true because I still get updates from apple for my mac. Anyways, I haven't updated yet because I don't have any major issues and didn't want to change anything about my gig computer. So I guess I'll hold out for 2.3 to see if it has what I want, then I'll decided to update or not.
Just an FYI, many app providers pull support for products run on obsolete OS's because they can't get support from the maker of the OS if they themselves need it. Being 100% sure you're on a currently supported manufacturer's OS is a pretty wise idea. A little googling has shown that Apple considers a hardware product obsolete at 7 years, but also OS 10.5 updates are unlikely...and that's info off of a post from 8/2011, so the updates may not be for the OS, but for some other Apple apps. I haven't looked for the equivalent of an MS update log on my Mac yet, but I'm sure it is there for you to confirm if this is the case. Going to 10.7.x is probably a good idea.
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LEDPaint
4:57 PM - 31 August, 2012
I'm always a one for late adopting
Agreed.
Conversely to my last post, All the people itching (no pun intended) to get on the latest OS, MS or Apple, should always make sure the apps they run have support before upgrading.
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I'm always a one for late adopting
Agreed.
Conversely to my last post, All the people itching (no pun intended) to get on the latest OS, MS or Apple, should always make sure the apps they run have support before upgrading.
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Papa Midnight
5:23 PM - 31 August, 2012
Hmm, I was following it quite closely, and never saw a unit (NS6) with 4 VU meters.
Do you happen to have a pic of it?
I may be wrong. I thought that it did.
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Didn't the device that made it's initial debut have individual VU meters per channel?Hmm, I was following it quite closely, and never saw a unit (NS6) with 4 VU meters.
Do you happen to have a pic of it?
I may be wrong. I thought that it did.
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djemdub
7:57 PM - 31 August, 2012
I think if we start adding VUE meters to the screen, its gonna start making our platform look cheap :( and non pro-ish
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nik39
8:35 PM - 31 August, 2012
NO! VU meters are very helpful.i fucking struggled when i had to use ns6 with no autogain. In sl you can quickly see if the volumes are far off.
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phatbob
8:45 PM - 31 August, 2012
What, like Scratch Live? I don't see many people saying that looks cheap. I'd say that Itch looks cheaper without them; VU meters are a professional tool.
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I think if we start adding VUE meters to the screen, its gonna start making our platform look cheap :( and non pro-ishWhat, like Scratch Live? I don't see many people saying that looks cheap. I'd say that Itch looks cheaper without them; VU meters are a professional tool.
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djemdub
8:46 PM - 31 August, 2012
What, like Scratch Live? I don't see many people saying that looks cheap. I'd say that Itch looks cheaper without them; VU meters are a professional tool.
Like vdj!lol I had no idea scratch live had them.I've never used ssl.well I guess if theyre there, they're there
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I think if we start adding VUE meters to the screen, its gonna start making our platform look cheap :( and non pro-ishWhat, like Scratch Live? I don't see many people saying that looks cheap. I'd say that Itch looks cheaper without them; VU meters are a professional tool.
Like vdj!lol I had no idea scratch live had them.I've never used ssl.well I guess if theyre there, they're there
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blackavenger
8:48 PM - 31 August, 2012
I agree.
ITCH needs them!
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NO! VU meters are very helpful.i fucking struggled when i had to use ns6 with no autogain. In sl you can quickly see if the volumes are far off.I agree.
ITCH needs them!
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Martin C
9:17 PM - 31 August, 2012
Hey guys, please keep any discussion from the beta area within that area, its just less confusing that way.
Thanks :)
Thanks :)
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Maskrider
5:27 AM - 1 September, 2012
I want a better Auto Gain coz the current one sounds like the songs are muffled.
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Papa Midnight
7:20 AM - 1 September, 2012
Nope, that's just the poor mastering darn near every song seems to have today. Everything else, learn headroom. I actually think it's better to have Auto Gain off...
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I want a better Auto Gain coz the current one sounds like the songs are muffled.Nope, that's just the poor mastering darn near every song seems to have today. Everything else, learn headroom. I actually think it's better to have Auto Gain off...
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DJ Steadson
1:27 PM - 1 September, 2012
Look for what it's worth let them meaning serato give us all the (tools) or features that make a pro software a software so that we the DJ can get our job done. weather we use those feature or not. Every DJ is different. some uses more features than others that doesn't mean that Itch shouldn't have all the features. I would like to think that its a Pro Software, and if it's not then I might as well continue to use Traktor or Virtual DJ which I also own.Look the reason why I love Itch so much is because it's pretty stable and built rock solid. believe it or not. The only thing Traktor and Virtual DJ have on Itch is more features (effects, midi mapping, quantize,filters and kill feature on the eq) there are more but I am not going to get into that right now. All I am concern about right now is that all of us DJ's who own the Itch software, Lets us try to stay on the same page when it come to our beloved Software so that we dont get left behind when it comes to the tools we need to get our job done. I am also going to say this also right now I don't think Scratch live have anything on Itch trust me. I am a old school DJ I started out with 1200 Turntables and a Numark Mixer. and all Scratch is, It just a continuation of the Old School Image in a New School Setting, I been there and did that already. I paid my dues, So Serato give me my features let me move on to bigger and better things that's all I have to say and asking for. (no offence to you Scratch I Live users Still Love you).
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LEDPaint
2:12 PM - 1 September, 2012
We've had three Serato employees answer this thread. I think this thread can be put to bed, it's just redundant at this point. They're well aware of our feelings and of the features we want. I'm finally convinced they are working to give us what they want, it's just not as easy as we want.
Although the transparency of knowing what they're working on and when it will come out would be be a great relief to the masses, due to the continuing ill tempers of a few malcontents, they're not going tell us for fear of being blasted in the forums if they run into a delay and can't deliver on time. We'll see what we see when 2.3 comes out.
If you're threatening to switch to another software, go ahead and do it already. I did and I'm back on an NS6, even though I lost significant dollars to find out the grass wasn't greener. For those who find it is, you'd stay on the other side of the fence if it really suited you as well as you say and not be here complaining. But let's face it, if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.
Although the transparency of knowing what they're working on and when it will come out would be be a great relief to the masses, due to the continuing ill tempers of a few malcontents, they're not going tell us for fear of being blasted in the forums if they run into a delay and can't deliver on time. We'll see what we see when 2.3 comes out.
If you're threatening to switch to another software, go ahead and do it already. I did and I'm back on an NS6, even though I lost significant dollars to find out the grass wasn't greener. For those who find it is, you'd stay on the other side of the fence if it really suited you as well as you say and not be here complaining. But let's face it, if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.
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phatbob
5:05 PM - 1 September, 2012
Although the transparency of knowing what they're working on and when it will come out would be be a great relief to the masses, due to the continuing ill tempers of a few malcontents, they're not going tell us for fear of being blasted in the forums if they run into a delay and can't deliver on time. We'll see what we see when 2.3 comes out.
If you're threatening to switch to another software, go ahead and do it already. I did and I'm back on an NS6, even though I lost significant dollars to find out the grass wasn't greener. For those who find it is, you'd stay on the other side of the fence if it really suited you as well as you say and not be here complaining. But let's face it, if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.
Very well put. +1
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We've had three Serato employees answer this thread. I think this thread can be put to bed, it's just redundant at this point. They're well aware of our feelings and of the features we want. I'm finally convinced they are working to give us what they want, it's just not as easy as we want.Although the transparency of knowing what they're working on and when it will come out would be be a great relief to the masses, due to the continuing ill tempers of a few malcontents, they're not going tell us for fear of being blasted in the forums if they run into a delay and can't deliver on time. We'll see what we see when 2.3 comes out.
If you're threatening to switch to another software, go ahead and do it already. I did and I'm back on an NS6, even though I lost significant dollars to find out the grass wasn't greener. For those who find it is, you'd stay on the other side of the fence if it really suited you as well as you say and not be here complaining. But let's face it, if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.
Very well put. +1
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DJ Steadson
5:27 PM - 1 September, 2012
I am not complaining Mate all I want is the best for all of us that's all. As far as jumping ship I thought I said in my post that I have all three Software There is no ship for me to jump Bro. Anyway I will put this to rest and see what happen peace.
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blackavenger
1:03 AM - 2 September, 2012
There's no way I would buy a new controller, regardless of how sick the hardware was, until' they get ITCH up to speed w' the competition.
But I agree with you when it comes to this thread, and it accomplishing what it set out to do.
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if Itch does get jacked up to exactly what we want and some new super-controller came out tomorrow, most of us would forget all about this anger and rush out and buy it, anyway.There's no way I would buy a new controller, regardless of how sick the hardware was, until' they get ITCH up to speed w' the competition.
But I agree with you when it comes to this thread, and it accomplishing what it set out to do.
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pdidy
6:46 AM - 2 September, 2012
The serato forum is full of PROFESSIONAL complainers. Trust me when i tell you, the biggest complainers around hear are the WHACKEST DJS. They really believe having 1000s of new effects are features will make them SUPERSTAR djs.
Anybody remember the itch 2.0 disaster ? The PROFESSIONAL complainers were in full force and pressured serato to release 2.0 before it was ready. It was the worst ever.........
Luckily, Serato learned from their mistake. Now they never give release dates or put out updates before they are ready.
If you are a PROFESSIONAL complainer and believe more effects and features in itch will make you a SUPERSTAR djs........Please do us all a favor and switch to traktor or virtual dj......please.
Anybody remember the itch 2.0 disaster ? The PROFESSIONAL complainers were in full force and pressured serato to release 2.0 before it was ready. It was the worst ever.........
Luckily, Serato learned from their mistake. Now they never give release dates or put out updates before they are ready.
If you are a PROFESSIONAL complainer and believe more effects and features in itch will make you a SUPERSTAR djs........Please do us all a favor and switch to traktor or virtual dj......please.
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acemc
1:14 AM - 3 September, 2012
I'm a very new Itch user, but from what I see on the forum, making a mere "feature request" doesn't seem to work here. If customers have to get "up in arms" before a basic request gets any attention, you end up with "Professional Complainers". How does implementing video take priority over giving users more screen for their tracks? If you have an issue with Itch that makes your weekly gigs unpleasant, waiting 2 or 3 months would be torture. After 6 months you start making some noise. Almost a year later - well? But at least things are happening now, so we can calm down for a bit....or at least till the update doesn't sort your issue out.
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Papa Midnight
2:10 AM - 3 September, 2012
Because people requested it... ages ago. Long before the NS6 was even thought of (which is when the 2 Deck View as an Option request began).
As you said, you're a "very new ITCH user".
ITCH, as a product and platform, is not even HALF as old as Serato Scratch Live or other competitor products. And yet, in it's lifetime, it has advanced at the fastest rate of them all. Likewise, it serves a wholly different market than that of Virtual DJ Pro and even Traktor Pro.
I remember a time when ITCH didn't have SP-6. Did I complain about this? No. Why? Because I bought an ITCH device knowing exactly what I was getting. I don't buy something like this that cost as much as it does for what I may be able to do in the future, should the company wish to put the development resources into providing it. I buy it for what it can do now.
When I bought my NS7, video or not, Sampler or not, there was no other product on the market that could do what ITCH did, or boast the claims that it does to this day. Take that from a guy who has used both Traktor and Virtual DJ Pro.
I'll admit, I was a bit disappointed to not have the SP-6 available to me (and, per such, with others, made a feature request for it). But, I knew I wouldn't have it available to me so... I used my Tablet and an app called Electrum Drum Machine to trigger samples.
As for video, I have no use for it to date so that was no loss for me when it wasn't available. As I said, I don't buy for what I hope will come down the pipeline. On the other hand, there were other users who desired the functionality, and now Serato has video.
Then came the NS6 (shortly before the public release (I'm looking at you, Cerla :P) of Serato ITCH 2.0 which gave us the SP-6).
So, that said... if you're waiting 3 months to a year after purchasing a product for a feature to be added, then that's on you. Not on Serato. Serato is under no obligation to provide updates and does so as a service, and they're free to boot. If you bought ITCH and your device with the expectation that you would be getting every single feature requested at the drop of a hat, or that an announced or advertised feature would just be added - and you failed to do the proper research into the product before hand, then that's on you and it's a bad purchase decision.
That's my opinion.
(As an aside, when it comes to Effects, people may have a legitimate gripe. I don't know. That's subjective to be honest. When I bought my unit (mind you, I demoed it for months before making the purchase), it was after the update and I never used the effects when I demoed on 1.5.)
As someone with programming experience, and someone who regularly communciates with development teams daily as part of his day job, please define and clarify exactly what a "basic request" is, because you'd be amazed how the smallest modifications can break everything.
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How does implementing video take priority over giving users more screen for their tracks?Because people requested it... ages ago. Long before the NS6 was even thought of (which is when the 2 Deck View as an Option request began).
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If you have an issue with Itch that makes your weekly gigs unpleasant, waiting 2 or 3 months would be torture. After 6 months you start making some noise. Almost a year later - well?As you said, you're a "very new ITCH user".
ITCH, as a product and platform, is not even HALF as old as Serato Scratch Live or other competitor products. And yet, in it's lifetime, it has advanced at the fastest rate of them all. Likewise, it serves a wholly different market than that of Virtual DJ Pro and even Traktor Pro.
I remember a time when ITCH didn't have SP-6. Did I complain about this? No. Why? Because I bought an ITCH device knowing exactly what I was getting. I don't buy something like this that cost as much as it does for what I may be able to do in the future, should the company wish to put the development resources into providing it. I buy it for what it can do now.
When I bought my NS7, video or not, Sampler or not, there was no other product on the market that could do what ITCH did, or boast the claims that it does to this day. Take that from a guy who has used both Traktor and Virtual DJ Pro.
I'll admit, I was a bit disappointed to not have the SP-6 available to me (and, per such, with others, made a feature request for it). But, I knew I wouldn't have it available to me so... I used my Tablet and an app called Electrum Drum Machine to trigger samples.
As for video, I have no use for it to date so that was no loss for me when it wasn't available. As I said, I don't buy for what I hope will come down the pipeline. On the other hand, there were other users who desired the functionality, and now Serato has video.
Then came the NS6 (shortly before the public release (I'm looking at you, Cerla :P) of Serato ITCH 2.0 which gave us the SP-6).
So, that said... if you're waiting 3 months to a year after purchasing a product for a feature to be added, then that's on you. Not on Serato. Serato is under no obligation to provide updates and does so as a service, and they're free to boot. If you bought ITCH and your device with the expectation that you would be getting every single feature requested at the drop of a hat, or that an announced or advertised feature would just be added - and you failed to do the proper research into the product before hand, then that's on you and it's a bad purchase decision.
That's my opinion.
(As an aside, when it comes to Effects, people may have a legitimate gripe. I don't know. That's subjective to be honest. When I bought my unit (mind you, I demoed it for months before making the purchase), it was after the update and I never used the effects when I demoed on 1.5.)
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If customers have to get "up in arms" before a basic request gets any attention, you end up with "Professional Complainers".As someone with programming experience, and someone who regularly communciates with development teams daily as part of his day job, please define and clarify exactly what a "basic request" is, because you'd be amazed how the smallest modifications can break everything.
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acemc
7:53 AM - 3 September, 2012
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me. Firstly I (and I'm sure many others) see the name "Serato" and instantly think Itch is just Scratch-Live with the Timecode stripped from it. It's a logical thought process. I also had no idea that video has been such a long standing feature request. But with that clarification let the emphasis be on "feature" request. I should rephrase "basic request" to "fundamental request" because every NS6 user with a 13" laptop all feel the same about it. A Dj is only as good as the music he plays. Having proper access to that music is a fundamental part of making the correct selection. With no way of testing the full functionality of the software without purchasing the hardware, how are we to know it doesn't offer many of the options the competition does? Now only having one shop on my side of the world that actually stocked this unit & not being able to test the software is my own problem. The fact that so many NS6 users complained about this, shows the poor research Serato did when developing this for the NS6. This in itself falls squarely on their shoulders & as such, needs to be addressed in a proper & timely manner. <- That's my opinion. The entire existence of Itch is based on the sale of the respective hardware, yet the sale of the hardware is dependent on the features & functionality of the software. Therefore it is only to be expected that it will be compared to other software available. An attitude of "take what we give you & just be grateful you get anything" won't take any company very far & is certainly not what I expected to get from a company that has a name like Serato does. I now realize that the name Serato has, is all based on Scratch-Live which is a completely different software to Itch. I started doing mobile in gr.8 (13), got my first 1200's a year later (gr.9), dropped out at the end of gr.10. & became a full-on dj. I'm now 37 & dj'ing is still my primary source of income. Whilst I'm certainly no Qbert or Armin Van Buuren, I do have a vast music knowledge & skill-set that would enable me to do an opening set for either of them. I'm not too sure which wholly different market Itch is actually serving? But I do think I fit into it, if not by experience & compatibility, then at the very least by the investment I made. I feel I do have the right to expect a fundamental feature-set with a certain level of performance. Don't you?
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Papa Midnight
2:57 PM - 3 September, 2012
Oh, without a doubt. If the feature set that is advertised by Serato is not working, then that's on them. If the software which the hardware relies upon fails to function as intended, that's also a problem.
Controllerist vs Turntablist vs. CDJ users, etc. Seriously, I have no problem using Turntables and Controllers (Specifically the NS7 and V7's. With the exception of the NS6's implementation, I don't think I could go to Jog Wheels). However, you pop over to the Scratch Live or General DJ Discussion side of this forum and merely mention the word controller.... Well, I hope your clothing is flame retardant. There's also the point about different software markets which we will get to shortly.
If it comes down to screen size then I'll admit that being limited to a few songs in view is bad, but I'm hard-pressed to personally see how it's completely disrupting to be such (and I have less vertical screen space than what I am assuming you refer to as I have a 1366x768 monitor which leaves me with less songs visible than those on the 1280x800 MBP 13" models). Maybe I am biased, but having used VDJ Pro and, even worse, Traktor, the library view in ITCH is huge when 4 decks are on screen. Mind you, I say this as someone who's only used the 4 deck view only a few times as I demoed the NS6 unit in store.
That said, I fail to see how the smaller view limits the DJ's ability to play music. It might take a bit longer to scroll through music, but limits your ability to play it? I cannot quantify that argument.
Yes, and no; and this comes back to the previous point about serving a different market. I'm sure you've noticed by now that ITCH offers no methodology for manually mapping MIDI. ITCH is designed as a 1:1 interface, meaning perfect 1:1 control with your hardware, on that exact ratio. No more, no less. That was it's initial advertising point and initial selling attribute. Everything else, since then, has been added as things come. You want to talk annoyances, imagine how many of the NS7 first-adopters were annoyed when they came stripped of the FX features they were initially advertised with because ITCH was not yet ready (this was done to match that 1:1 philosophy). They then had to purchase the NSFX bar to get those FX.
Traktor rolls on an entirely different feature set than ITCH does and caters to a different market as well. Virtual DJ Pro speaks for itself. For both, many a user here has compared ITCH to both other products, and gone over to using them when they found ITCH did not serve their needs. Some felt the need to lambast ITCH before doing so. I frankly, as previously mentioned, blame them for such as they bought a product with an air of false expectations. Some of them even went back to ITCH when they found the grass wasn't as green on the other side of the fence as they believed.
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I feel I do have the right to expect a fundamental feature-set with a certain level of performance. Don't you?Oh, without a doubt. If the feature set that is advertised by Serato is not working, then that's on them. If the software which the hardware relies upon fails to function as intended, that's also a problem.
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. I'm not too sure which wholly different market Itch is actually serving?Controllerist vs Turntablist vs. CDJ users, etc. Seriously, I have no problem using Turntables and Controllers (Specifically the NS7 and V7's. With the exception of the NS6's implementation, I don't think I could go to Jog Wheels). However, you pop over to the Scratch Live or General DJ Discussion side of this forum and merely mention the word controller.... Well, I hope your clothing is flame retardant. There's also the point about different software markets which we will get to shortly.
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...because every NS6 user with a 13" laptop all feel the same about it. A Dj is only as good as the music he plays. Having proper access to that music is a fundamental part of making the correct selection.If it comes down to screen size then I'll admit that being limited to a few songs in view is bad, but I'm hard-pressed to personally see how it's completely disrupting to be such (and I have less vertical screen space than what I am assuming you refer to as I have a 1366x768 monitor which leaves me with less songs visible than those on the 1280x800 MBP 13" models). Maybe I am biased, but having used VDJ Pro and, even worse, Traktor, the library view in ITCH is huge when 4 decks are on screen. Mind you, I say this as someone who's only used the 4 deck view only a few times as I demoed the NS6 unit in store.
That said, I fail to see how the smaller view limits the DJ's ability to play music. It might take a bit longer to scroll through music, but limits your ability to play it? I cannot quantify that argument.
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The entire existence of Itch is based on the sale of the respective hardware, yet the sale of the hardware is dependent on the features & functionality of the software. Therefore it is only to be expected that it will be compared to other software available.Yes, and no; and this comes back to the previous point about serving a different market. I'm sure you've noticed by now that ITCH offers no methodology for manually mapping MIDI. ITCH is designed as a 1:1 interface, meaning perfect 1:1 control with your hardware, on that exact ratio. No more, no less. That was it's initial advertising point and initial selling attribute. Everything else, since then, has been added as things come. You want to talk annoyances, imagine how many of the NS7 first-adopters were annoyed when they came stripped of the FX features they were initially advertised with because ITCH was not yet ready (this was done to match that 1:1 philosophy). They then had to purchase the NSFX bar to get those FX.
Traktor rolls on an entirely different feature set than ITCH does and caters to a different market as well. Virtual DJ Pro speaks for itself. For both, many a user here has compared ITCH to both other products, and gone over to using them when they found ITCH did not serve their needs. Some felt the need to lambast ITCH before doing so. I frankly, as previously mentioned, blame them for such as they bought a product with an air of false expectations. Some of them even went back to ITCH when they found the grass wasn't as green on the other side of the fence as they believed.
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acemc
11:36 PM - 3 September, 2012
This is what I see...
Traktor: img856.imageshack.us
Itch: img402.imageshack.us
I'm not asking for extra's here. I personally don't care about a sampler or video or better effects.
(Although better effects would be nice). All I'm after is some options. Let me re-size that window, allow me to hide the stuff I never use. Let me choose the views I want to scroll through in the settings. Let me switch between 2 or 4 decks without having to press a button 7 times!
More options will benefit everyone, Serato included.
We've all driven in many different cars right? Sometimes you open the window, other times not.
If you buy a car & when driving away realize the windows don't open. Would that be classed as false expectation? Sometimes there are certain logical and basic features that you just naturally expect. Hence my initial wording of "basic features". Anyway I do understand where you are coming from, and hopefully you can understand my point of view too.
Only time will tell what lies ahead for us as Itch users, but time is money.
Peace.
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having used VDJ Pro and, even worse, Traktor, the library view in ITCH is huge when 4 decks are on screen.This is what I see...
Traktor: img856.imageshack.us
Itch: img402.imageshack.us
I'm not asking for extra's here. I personally don't care about a sampler or video or better effects.
(Although better effects would be nice). All I'm after is some options. Let me re-size that window, allow me to hide the stuff I never use. Let me choose the views I want to scroll through in the settings. Let me switch between 2 or 4 decks without having to press a button 7 times!
More options will benefit everyone, Serato included.
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I frankly, as previously mentioned, blame them for such as they bought a product with an air of false expectations.We've all driven in many different cars right? Sometimes you open the window, other times not.
If you buy a car & when driving away realize the windows don't open. Would that be classed as false expectation? Sometimes there are certain logical and basic features that you just naturally expect. Hence my initial wording of "basic features". Anyway I do understand where you are coming from, and hopefully you can understand my point of view too.
Only time will tell what lies ahead for us as Itch users, but time is money.
Peace.
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Papa Midnight
12:53 AM - 4 September, 2012
Wow. Traktor has certainly changed. It used to be you could only shrink the virtual decks to roughly a little under SSL's default size. I suppose I can no longer cite this as an example (if you don't mind the reduced amount of information on screen at any point in time).
By the way, it might just be me, but your font for your browser in ITCH is huge (which would contribute to the lesser amount of songs per page).
Apples to Oranges; and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.
If the Windows are supposed to roll down, then that's a malfunctioning product. For this, Lemon laws and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act exist.
However, I would also argue, based on your own statement, that the consumer should've checked the windows before he agreed to purchase the car, especially if buying used (and even more so if buying from an individual seller or auction as opposed to a reputable a dealer).
Why not just click the icon for the 2 Deck view and be done with it?
I'm not sure what you mean by views.
This is where we may differ. Neither SSL nor ITCH, to the best of my knowledge, allow you to do any such thing in terms of adding or removing things you don't wish to see - plugins not included (and I don't own Intro so I can't speak to it, but I'm sure it doesn't either). What you're looking for is something that has never been a part of any Serato line-up. If this is what you're looking for, Serato products might not be for you.
Wow. Traktor has certainly changed. It used to be you could only shrink the virtual decks to roughly a little under SSL's default size. I suppose I can no longer cite this as an example (if you don't mind the reduced amount of information on screen at any point in time).
By the way, it might just be me, but your font for your browser in ITCH is huge (which would contribute to the lesser amount of songs per page).
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We've all driven in many different cars right? Sometimes you open the window, other times not. If you buy a car & when driving away realize the windows don't open. Would that be classed as false expectation?Apples to Oranges; and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.
If the Windows are supposed to roll down, then that's a malfunctioning product. For this, Lemon laws and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act exist.
However, I would also argue, based on your own statement, that the consumer should've checked the windows before he agreed to purchase the car, especially if buying used (and even more so if buying from an individual seller or auction as opposed to a reputable a dealer).
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Let me switch between 2 or 4 decks without having to press a button 7 times!Why not just click the icon for the 2 Deck view and be done with it?
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Let me choose the views I want to scroll through in the settings.I'm not sure what you mean by views.
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Let me re-size that window, allow me to hide the stuff I never use.This is where we may differ. Neither SSL nor ITCH, to the best of my knowledge, allow you to do any such thing in terms of adding or removing things you don't wish to see - plugins not included (and I don't own Intro so I can't speak to it, but I'm sure it doesn't either). What you're looking for is something that has never been a part of any Serato line-up. If this is what you're looking for, Serato products might not be for you.
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phatbob
1:09 AM - 4 September, 2012
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
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Papa Midnight
1:28 AM - 4 September, 2012
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
Knew it wasn't just me who noticed that.
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Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
Knew it wasn't just me who noticed that.
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acemc
6:48 AM - 4 September, 2012
Lol. Maybe I should. The font size in Traktor is at it's largest & I still feel it's too small.
Honestly, I only realized the difference between font sizes now that you mention it.
That wasn't done intentionally to try make things look worse (in case that's what ur thinking!)
Anyway, this topic is getting a bit stale now, I agree to disagree. On a more positive note though.
I can say that I certainly feel the new beta of Itch is an improvement. It opens, loads & closes a whole lot quicker. The overall functionality just feels more fluid. I know it's a beta but can anyone to get the super filters work? It seems to get stuck on "you might be on to something"
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Perhaps you should consult an optician.Lol. Maybe I should. The font size in Traktor is at it's largest & I still feel it's too small.
Honestly, I only realized the difference between font sizes now that you mention it.
That wasn't done intentionally to try make things look worse (in case that's what ur thinking!)
Anyway, this topic is getting a bit stale now, I agree to disagree. On a more positive note though.
I can say that I certainly feel the new beta of Itch is an improvement. It opens, loads & closes a whole lot quicker. The overall functionality just feels more fluid. I know it's a beta but can anyone to get the super filters work? It seems to get stuck on "you might be on to something"
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LJ_WOOLSEY
7:40 AM - 4 September, 2012
also you can close the dj-fx tab and choose a view that just shows the waveform like that traktor view. So you would have loads more screen library space.
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
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also you can close the dj-fx tab and choose a view that just shows the waveform like that traktor view. So you would have loads more screen library space.
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
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djcerla
9:51 AM - 4 September, 2012
Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
My font is even bigger. No "email checking" effect, big win.
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Holy SHIT that's a big font... Perhaps you should consult an optician.
My font is even bigger. No "email checking" effect, big win.
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phatbob
10:18 AM - 4 September, 2012
Really? You need the font THAT big to be able to read it without leaning into the laptop???
Seriously, I hope you don't drive a car with eyesight that bad. You would be a danger to other road users.
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I'm kind of joking, and you know, each to their own, but if I walked into a gig and found a friend using a font that big, I would genuinely push them to seek medical attention.
Seriously, I hope you don't drive a car with eyesight that bad. You would be a danger to other road users.
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I'm kind of joking, and you know, each to their own, but if I walked into a gig and found a friend using a font that big, I would genuinely push them to seek medical attention.
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djcerla
10:31 AM - 4 September, 2012
I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)
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Papa Midnight
12:56 PM - 4 September, 2012
Working here, though it's ironic you mention this as last beta, people reported not being able to get it to work either. Some even speculated that Serato had removed it. This was, of course, not factual. But yeah, I'd post a note in the beta forum on that.
You're not the only one.
They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
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I know it's a beta but can anyone to get the super filters work? It seems to get stuck on "you might be on to something"Working here, though it's ironic you mention this as last beta, people reported not being able to get it to work either. Some even speculated that Serato had removed it. This was, of course, not factual. But yeah, I'd post a note in the beta forum on that.
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I'm kind of joking, and you know, each to their own, but if I walked into a gig and found a friend using a font that big, I would genuinely push them to seek medical attention.You're not the only one.
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I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
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djcerla
2:22 PM - 4 September, 2012
They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
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Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
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I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
OT
Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
/OT
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Papa Midnight
3:09 PM - 4 September, 2012
They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
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Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
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Maybe I'm biased (considering I currently reside in the area which has been declared by insurance agencies to have the worst and second worst drivers in the entire country), but I could name a few states in the USA which could heavily benefit from this...
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I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
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Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
/OT
Maybe I'm biased (considering I currently reside in the area which has been declared by insurance agencies to have the worst and second worst drivers in the entire country), but I could name a few states in the USA which could heavily benefit from this...
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nik39
3:57 PM - 4 September, 2012
They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
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Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
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EU fact? No sir. Maybe in Italy, but not in Germany.
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I've just passed the medical sight test for driving license renewal, but hey, thanks for caring :)They make you guys pass a medical sight test for license renewals? Do you have an aural exam as well?
Thankfully, no ;)
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Another EU fun fact: if they catch you driving drunk you have to do pass 3x (paid) blood tests at intervals and one psychologic test, plus 3000€ fine ;)
/OT
EU fact? No sir. Maybe in Italy, but not in Germany.
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acemc
4:02 PM - 4 September, 2012
A week or two here on South African roads will make you love driving in your country again.
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I currently reside in the area which has been declared by insurance agencies to have the worst and second worst drivers in the entire countryA week or two here on South African roads will make you love driving in your country again.
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Papa Midnight
8:20 PM - 4 September, 2012
A week or two here on South African roads will make you love driving in your country again.
I'll take your word on that, but it's bad enough here for us to have our own problems.
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I currently reside in the area which has been declared by insurance agencies to have the worst and second worst drivers in the entire countryA week or two here on South African roads will make you love driving in your country again.
I'll take your word on that, but it's bad enough here for us to have our own problems.
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mr187
3:38 PM - 24 September, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
I don't feel like iTch is a waste... I just feel like they took a wrong programming direction after version 1.5. It hasn't been dropout free since.
you saying that because u have a mac.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
You jest, but it does seem to be the case. I've been waiting for MIDI, and 2 Deck View (which were promised for over a YEAR now) for what feels like an eternity.
I've basically put my NS6 in the closet, have reverted to using ScratchLIVE, and am just about ready (from my savings) to purchase Traktor Scratch A10 w' an F1 & X1.
Itch has been the most colossal disappointment to me.....I feel like I wasted $1,100
I don't feel like iTch is a waste... I just feel like they took a wrong programming direction after version 1.5. It hasn't been dropout free since.
you saying that because u have a mac.
lol
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mr187
5:26 PM - 24 September, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
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Papa Midnight
5:28 PM - 24 September, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
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phatbob
6:49 PM - 24 September, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
You do know that I was making a joke, right? Tell me you worked that out, please.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
You do know that I was making a joke, right? Tell me you worked that out, please.
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djlayz666
11:31 PM - 24 September, 2012
so now we got this "maintenance" release maybe next for 2.3 we can get the bridge?
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Papa Midnight
3:07 AM - 25 September, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
You do know that I was making a joke, right? Tell me you worked that out, please.
Munch Munch
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
You do know that I was making a joke, right? Tell me you worked that out, please.
Munch Munch
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admiraljonesy
4:21 AM - 25 September, 2012
Nah, it's only been 2 years since the bridge has been out. You have to wait longer than that to port an existing product. Just check out the history of any software thing that's ever been ported.
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so now we got this "maintenance" release maybe next for 2.3 we can get the bridge?Nah, it's only been 2 years since the bridge has been out. You have to wait longer than that to port an existing product. Just check out the history of any software thing that's ever been ported.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
7:11 AM - 25 September, 2012
The bridge is dead was a massive flop with ssl. It now dont even work as ableton has gone 64bit. And both companies are working on there own things both do not have time or resources to work on the bridge. Take a read in tge bridge forums area.
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blackavenger
3:36 PM - 25 September, 2012
Yeah, so they should just give us the same functionality but w' the SP-6 instead.
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The bridge is dead was a massive flop with ssl. It now dont even work as ableton has gone 64bit. And both companies are working on there own things both do not have time or resources to work on the bridge. Take a read in tge bridge forums area.Yeah, so they should just give us the same functionality but w' the SP-6 instead.
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RodrigoVolta
1:36 AM - 28 September, 2012
Why Serato don't make ITCH and all softwares in 64-bit architecture instead 32-bit only?
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Markabre
7:05 AM - 28 September, 2012
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It took them about four months to update Itch with a few minor features and big fixes. An entire architectural overhaul to 64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.
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Why Serato don't make ITCH and all softwares in 64-bit architecture instead 32-bit only?.
It took them about four months to update Itch with a few minor features and big fixes. An entire architectural overhaul to 64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.
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acemc
8:00 AM - 28 September, 2012
LOL!!!!!
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64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.LOL!!!!!
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RodrigoVolta
1:44 PM - 28 September, 2012
LOL!!!!!
ahahahahahah.... yep!!
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64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.LOL!!!!!
ahahahahahah.... yep!!
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DJ Steadson
1:28 AM - 29 September, 2012
Omg U guys are funny Lmao.The things u guys say I am really starting to think that serato really dont give a shit about U Itch Deejays Only the scratch live Deejays. Boy U got to love serato.
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nik39
12:45 PM - 29 September, 2012
Dude, whatcha talking about? The latest Itch update contains very important bug and crash fixes. For SL *and* Itch. Stop whining.
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Omg U guys are funny Lmao.The things u guys say I am really starting to think that serato really dont give a shit about U Itch Deejays Only the scratch live Deejays. Boy U got to love serato.Dude, whatcha talking about? The latest Itch update contains very important bug and crash fixes. For SL *and* Itch. Stop whining.
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Markabre
1:11 PM - 29 September, 2012
Repeating myself but....
It certainly does contain much needed and appreciated bug and crash fixes, theres no denying that. It just should never have taken that long to fix critical software that people make a living with. Itch 2.2 shipped in March and 2.2.1 shipped four months ago with the only addition being buggy support for the VCI-380.
Putting requests for competitive features aside and concentrating purely on a stable, professional product appropriate to the related cost of the closed hardware ecosystem - It simply should not have take this long to fix.
In a vacuum, ignoring compelling competitive alternatives, Serato are still letting down users that genuinely rely on their product several times a week with such slow moving maintenance releases.
It certainly does contain much needed and appreciated bug and crash fixes, theres no denying that. It just should never have taken that long to fix critical software that people make a living with. Itch 2.2 shipped in March and 2.2.1 shipped four months ago with the only addition being buggy support for the VCI-380.
Putting requests for competitive features aside and concentrating purely on a stable, professional product appropriate to the related cost of the closed hardware ecosystem - It simply should not have take this long to fix.
In a vacuum, ignoring compelling competitive alternatives, Serato are still letting down users that genuinely rely on their product several times a week with such slow moving maintenance releases.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
1:43 PM - 29 September, 2012
On my pc i cant even use 2.2.2 with my vci 380 and 2.2.1 was buggy as hell. But on my mac 2.2.2 seems fine with the 380.
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Markabre
1:47 PM - 29 September, 2012
The idea of trusting live performances to a PC sends shivers down my spine!
I'd rather run on a below spec mac.
I'd rather run on a below spec mac.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
2:23 PM - 29 September, 2012
i use a pc for venues where there is a high risk of drink being spilt on to the laptop.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
3:49 PM - 29 September, 2012
Shit designed dj boxes not allot that can be done, iv had three pints in this windows laptop and i have it on a stand lol.
but any how it should run great on pc aswell. but i rock the mac at most gigs so not to bothered.
but any how it should run great on pc aswell. but i rock the mac at most gigs so not to bothered.
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controversial
4:29 PM - 29 September, 2012
LJ get or make a nice facade, that should help out with people being on top of your setup.
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RodrigoVolta
4:41 PM - 29 September, 2012
Hello for all!
One question: The AUTO-GAIN is working for you?
For me, it stopped working. I have the ITCH installed on two computers and both the AUTO-GAIN does not work anymore! Even upgrading to version 2.2.2 does not work!
I've tried various things like reinstalling and clean the registry, re-analyze all my songs and still does not work. Incidentally, when I re-analyze my songs AUTO-GAIN back to work, but after I close ITCH and open again, it stops working again!
I no longer know what to do! I like to use this function, since the songs have different volumes. It helps a lot!
Sorry for the diversion point of this topic!
Cheer!
One question: The AUTO-GAIN is working for you?
For me, it stopped working. I have the ITCH installed on two computers and both the AUTO-GAIN does not work anymore! Even upgrading to version 2.2.2 does not work!
I've tried various things like reinstalling and clean the registry, re-analyze all my songs and still does not work. Incidentally, when I re-analyze my songs AUTO-GAIN back to work, but after I close ITCH and open again, it stops working again!
I no longer know what to do! I like to use this function, since the songs have different volumes. It helps a lot!
Sorry for the diversion point of this topic!
Cheer!
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RodrigoVolta
5:09 PM - 29 September, 2012
Note: I was analyzing the files WITHOUT auto-bpm actived.
Should I activate it? I've never used this function because it is not accurate. I use Mixed In Key to analyze the BPM of the music and KEY.
I did a test here and the songs that were analyzed with 'AUTO BPM' enabled, worked with the AUTO-GAIN. Strange ...
Should I activate it? I've never used this function because it is not accurate. I use Mixed In Key to analyze the BPM of the music and KEY.
I did a test here and the songs that were analyzed with 'AUTO BPM' enabled, worked with the AUTO-GAIN. Strange ...
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controversial
11:05 PM - 2 October, 2012
I guess no 2.3 it will no be called serato DJ and we cant get until spring 2013 all they are adding is a better echo and ping pong, what a sucky move!
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Papa Midnight
11:08 PM - 2 October, 2012
Considering the hell that Bridge has been, even on the SSL side of things, this may not be a bad thing. Seriously, go check out The Bridge forums.
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bye bye bridge!Considering the hell that Bridge has been, even on the SSL side of things, this may not be a bad thing. Seriously, go check out The Bridge forums.
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Papa Midnight
11:12 PM - 2 October, 2012
Load and customize your choice of high quality FX powered by iZotope including: Delay, Echo, Ping Pong Delay, Reverb, Phaser, Flanger, Distortion, HPF, LPF and a Combo HPF/LPF. Adjust and customize a range of parameters for each effect to shape your sound.
Say what you want, but I know iZotope happens to make damn good effects all around. I own their DSP plugin and use it with WinAmp along with AudioBurst for my output plugin. Know what you're getting before you start complaining about what they're "only" adding. I might mention that many have been requesting just this for YEARS; and all they're adding?
MIDI mapping opens the software up to be mapped to a secondary MIDI controller to take full advantage of all Serato DJs features in your performance and create your own unique workflow.
Holy crap, something else people have been requesting for years!
Some people can never be happy...
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I guess no 2.3 it will no be called serato DJ and we cant get until spring 2013 all they are adding is a better echo and ping pong, what a sucky move!Quote:
Load and customize your choice of high quality FX powered by iZotope including: Delay, Echo, Ping Pong Delay, Reverb, Phaser, Flanger, Distortion, HPF, LPF and a Combo HPF/LPF. Adjust and customize a range of parameters for each effect to shape your sound.
Say what you want, but I know iZotope happens to make damn good effects all around. I own their DSP plugin and use it with WinAmp along with AudioBurst for my output plugin. Know what you're getting before you start complaining about what they're "only" adding. I might mention that many have been requesting just this for YEARS; and all they're adding?
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MIDI mapping opens the software up to be mapped to a secondary MIDI controller to take full advantage of all Serato DJs features in your performance and create your own unique workflow.
Holy crap, something else people have been requesting for years!
Some people can never be happy...
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controversial
11:48 PM - 2 October, 2012
DJ PM I know all about IZotope I have used them with my pro tools rig for years but I just dont understand why we cant get other things that had been promised... yes I know the bridge is a pain on sl but i tryed it with sm57 & thought it was a cool feature for taking production further and during live shows you could really get crazy with it!!! The part that I don't like is the fact that we have to wait until pring of 2013 to get 2 more effects added, no mention of being able to have 4 deck control on NS7FX or being able to link up 2 hardware pieces and rocking out 4 decks the way they sayd on one of last years NAMM 2011 videos. I also think there are many other effects that could be added that are on SL. I dont mind paying for my stuff let me have sl setup with my ns7fx or vci300 I dont care if i have to buy a sl box to enable it just give me one to one mapping with all features I hate this point that people keep trying to make about itch being a basic setup or little brother to SL mobile DJ's need a fully working mobile solution we no longer have to carry amps and outboard gear the way it was back in the day everything is smaller and lighter give me master eq control and limiter that I can adjust with my own settings.
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djemdub
11:51 PM - 2 October, 2012
well atleast we have a clue about when we will see a change..ITCH has about 6 more months of life..
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Samuel S
11:58 PM - 2 October, 2012
Hey djemdub,
ITCH 2.2.2 is the last planned release of ITCH. Future features and any bug fixes for ITCH users will go into Serato DJ rather than ITCH. Serato DJ will be a free upgrade for ITCH customers :)
Sam.
ITCH 2.2.2 is the last planned release of ITCH. Future features and any bug fixes for ITCH users will go into Serato DJ rather than ITCH. Serato DJ will be a free upgrade for ITCH customers :)
Sam.
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Markabre
12:09 AM - 3 October, 2012
So no bug fixes for Itch users/Recent VCI-380 purchasers for 6 months? Awesome-Sauce. Although 2.2.2 is admittedly quite nice and stable, there are still a few things floating about that i'm not wild about spending the next half-year with.
Bedroom Intro users will have better FX and features than more-likely-to-be-pro Itch users.
And it's not like its being tested on intro DJs because it's not ready for the High-end prime time because the fancy new Pioneer hardware uses it starting in just 1 months time.
So wow Serato, way to execute something great and exciting in a totally sucky way.
Bedroom Intro users will have better FX and features than more-likely-to-be-pro Itch users.
And it's not like its being tested on intro DJs because it's not ready for the High-end prime time because the fancy new Pioneer hardware uses it starting in just 1 months time.
So wow Serato, way to execute something great and exciting in a totally sucky way.
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LJ_WOOLSEY
12:12 AM - 3 October, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
YOU WAS CORRECT LOL
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
YOU WAS CORRECT LOL
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LJ_WOOLSEY
12:33 AM - 3 October, 2012
where you been? they been discontinued for ages, and will still work with the software they was made for.
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bye bye xone dx and denon HC5000 users!!!where you been? they been discontinued for ages, and will still work with the software they was made for.
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controversial
1:06 AM - 3 October, 2012
for ages? there are still people who rock out with these and have been able to use itch software they just wont be able to try out SERATO DJ in 6 months!
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LJ_WOOLSEY
1:17 AM - 3 October, 2012
and people still rock vcrs but they dont work with new stuff lol.... Serato DJ is a brand new product so why waste time trying to support hardware that has been discontiued that they dont make anymore. it still works with itch 2.2.2 and always will.
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RodrigoVolta
1:18 AM - 3 October, 2012
ITCH 2.2.2 is the last planned release of ITCH. Future features and any bug fixes for ITCH users will go into Serato DJ rather than ITCH. Serato DJ will be a free upgrade for ITCH customers :)
Sam.
Hey Sam.
Serato DJ will fix:
- MasterTempo sound quality will be finally improved?
- Will fix Beatgrid and BPM detection algorythm?
- DDJ-S1 Pitch LEDs finally will work?
- Auto-Gain will work fine?
I hope that issues above and many other severe problems, are finally fixed and that not be a more "masked" software with same known old bugs!
Cheer.
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Hey djemdub,ITCH 2.2.2 is the last planned release of ITCH. Future features and any bug fixes for ITCH users will go into Serato DJ rather than ITCH. Serato DJ will be a free upgrade for ITCH customers :)
Sam.
Hey Sam.
Serato DJ will fix:
- MasterTempo sound quality will be finally improved?
- Will fix Beatgrid and BPM detection algorythm?
- DDJ-S1 Pitch LEDs finally will work?
- Auto-Gain will work fine?
I hope that issues above and many other severe problems, are finally fixed and that not be a more "masked" software with same known old bugs!
Cheer.
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Papa Midnight
1:26 AM - 3 October, 2012
where you been? they been discontinued for ages, and will still work with the software they was made for.
Those devices have been discontinued for much longer than that; and, frankly speaking, the Xone DX was horrible to begin with (though that's just my personal opinion).
Frankly, at some point, it's time to move on. Apple does this all the time. Unless you're saying that they should try to get a MacBook Pro 1,1 to support Mountain Lion.
BetaMax was the better format anyway :P
I kid, I kid.
This is also a perfect example though. VCRs still work. They worked just fine with DVDs were released too. But the fact of the matter is, people moved on to a better format with better devices. The same is happening with Blu-Ray.
controversial, I'd recommend looking up two terms: Technical obsolescence, and Functional obsolescence. Technology (in all of it's forms) has functioned under the umbrella of these two terms for centuries.
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bye bye xone dx and denon HC5000 users!!!where you been? they been discontinued for ages, and will still work with the software they was made for.
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for ages? there are still people who rock out with these and have been able to use itch software they just wont be able to try out SERATO DJ in 6 months!Those devices have been discontinued for much longer than that; and, frankly speaking, the Xone DX was horrible to begin with (though that's just my personal opinion).
Frankly, at some point, it's time to move on. Apple does this all the time. Unless you're saying that they should try to get a MacBook Pro 1,1 to support Mountain Lion.
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and people still rock vcrs but they dont work with new stuff lolBetaMax was the better format anyway :P
I kid, I kid.
This is also a perfect example though. VCRs still work. They worked just fine with DVDs were released too. But the fact of the matter is, people moved on to a better format with better devices. The same is happening with Blu-Ray.
controversial, I'd recommend looking up two terms: Technical obsolescence, and Functional obsolescence. Technology (in all of it's forms) has functioned under the umbrella of these two terms for centuries.
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controversial
1:44 AM - 3 October, 2012
@PM I know this, having just upgraded to a new 15 inch macbook since running video on 13 inch was small and dual core couldn't handle a big video library. I know we all have to embrace new technology and software development thats the same reason why I keep asking for things that could easily be implemented like SL FX, master EQ and let me rock out with 4 decks even if it takes 2 controllers, I'd buy 2 v7 to add to my ns7fx or use my vci300.
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djemdub
2:57 AM - 3 October, 2012
So since we are gonna have MIDI mapping in a half year's time, is it possible that I'll be able to map my ns6's strip search leds to display the vu meters, but let the touch functionality still control the strip search w/out displaying current needle position?I don't think it needs to since it should have needle position on screen..
And/or possibly map it so that if I hold shift, it displays the current position of the "filter" (which should be in the middle) and swipe to the right to get a hpf or to the left for lpf..
if this is capable then I can't wait!I'm a little disappointed that i won't be able use Serato dj until spring...it would be perfect if this would be available to us in time for all the new years parties but yeah, I know its not happening.
And/or possibly map it so that if I hold shift, it displays the current position of the "filter" (which should be in the middle) and swipe to the right to get a hpf or to the left for lpf..
if this is capable then I can't wait!I'm a little disappointed that i won't be able use Serato dj until spring...it would be perfect if this would be available to us in time for all the new years parties but yeah, I know its not happening.
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Samuel S
2:59 AM - 3 October, 2012
Re-mapping controller functions won't be available from the first release and will come later in a follow up release. From Serato DJ 1.0 you will be able to map the software controls to a secondary MIDI controller.
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controversial
3:00 AM - 3 October, 2012
sam will i be able to have 4 deck control with ns7fx or with 2 itch controllers?
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Samuel S
3:03 AM - 3 October, 2012
No, 4 decks will be limited to the Pioneer DDJ-SX, Numark NS6 and 4 deck Serato DJ Intro controllers such as the Vestax VCI-400, Reloop TM4 and Numark N4. 4 decks for 2 deck controllers is something that we would like to implement in a future release but there's no timeframe to share with you at this stage for it.
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djemdub
3:04 AM - 3 October, 2012
Sounds good to me..
Will it only be remappable to select MIDI controllers or will it be open as long as you have atleast 1 ITCH/DJ INTRO/SERATO DJ controller?
Thinking of re-buying my stanton scs.3ds from my uncle if this is possible
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Re-mapping controller functions won't be available from the first release and will come later in a follow up release. From Serato DJ 1.0 you will be able to map the software controls to a secondary MIDI controller.Sounds good to me..
Will it only be remappable to select MIDI controllers or will it be open as long as you have atleast 1 ITCH/DJ INTRO/SERATO DJ controller?
Thinking of re-buying my stanton scs.3ds from my uncle if this is possible
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Samuel S
3:07 AM - 3 October, 2012
It's the same as Scratch Live really. You can map any of the available software functions to a secondary MIDI controller as long as it sends the right MIDI messages i.e. knobs to map to knobs, faders to faders, buttons to buttons etc.
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controversial
3:09 AM - 3 October, 2012
sam will the horizontal view have the wave view that we use to line up for pitch like in SL?
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djemdub
3:09 AM - 3 October, 2012
Ohh ok I see!
Thanks for the clarification Sam S.!
Really wish it could get here sooner..
Now we have to be patient..lol
Thanks for the clarification Sam S.!
Really wish it could get here sooner..
Now we have to be patient..lol
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phatbob
3:16 AM - 3 October, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
YOU WAS CORRECT LOL
Hahaha, yes, it appears that I have accidentally won teh internets!
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
YOU WAS CORRECT LOL
Hahaha, yes, it appears that I have accidentally won teh internets!
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selkie
3:17 AM - 3 October, 2012
So... when are we getting the bridge and DVS support? xD just kidding, I'm very glad for the update and congratulate you guys for the new path of the software.
You are doing it RIGHT!
Thanks for the hard work!
You are doing it RIGHT!
Thanks for the hard work!
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Samuel S
3:19 AM - 3 October, 2012
Thanks selkie, we can't wait to get it into everyones hands. Trust me, we are all working extremely hard to make this happen all as soon as we can :)
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djemdub
3:41 AM - 3 October, 2012
Itll be cool if they are able to release in early spring! like march-ish or stun everyone and release it to us sooner!
cause spring can be anywhere from march til late June
cause spring can be anywhere from march til late June
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acemc
11:31 AM - 3 October, 2012
A new software - I nearly fell off my chair!!! I am super stoked!!!
So just to clarify, this will only be available to the DDJ SX users in November?
Another 6 months or so for the rest of itch users? Serato DJ 1.0 will only allow mapping of "secondary controllers" with mapping of actual itch controllers scheduled for a later date?
Even though it still seems a long way away, I'm really glad to see things are changing for the best. Well done & thank you Serato. I now have renewed faith!
So just to clarify, this will only be available to the DDJ SX users in November?
Another 6 months or so for the rest of itch users? Serato DJ 1.0 will only allow mapping of "secondary controllers" with mapping of actual itch controllers scheduled for a later date?
Even though it still seems a long way away, I'm really glad to see things are changing for the best. Well done & thank you Serato. I now have renewed faith!
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signs
11:44 AM - 3 October, 2012
@acemc:
Not only mapping of Secondary Controllers. Also new FX. New Features (like SLIP mode). New User Interface (new ViewModes). We have to wait until Serato Drops a Video of the NEW SERATO DJ.
I hope this won't take that Long ;)
Not only mapping of Secondary Controllers. Also new FX. New Features (like SLIP mode). New User Interface (new ViewModes). We have to wait until Serato Drops a Video of the NEW SERATO DJ.
I hope this won't take that Long ;)
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RodrigoVolta
2:41 PM - 3 October, 2012
Serato DJ will fix:
- MasterTempo sound quality will be finally improved?
- Will fix Beatgrid and BPM detection algorythm?
- DDJ-S1 Pitch LEDs finally will work?
- Auto-Gain will work fine?
Cheer!
- MasterTempo sound quality will be finally improved?
- Will fix Beatgrid and BPM detection algorythm?
- DDJ-S1 Pitch LEDs finally will work?
- Auto-Gain will work fine?
Cheer!
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acemc
3:10 PM - 3 October, 2012
I hope the library has been updated so that we don't have to use Itch sync & Alchimie etc..
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LJ_WOOLSEY
6:52 PM - 3 October, 2012
Will it have MIDI OUT this is the big thing! and i would hope they have included MIDI OUT as you need that so your second controll lights up!
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Markabre
10:19 PM - 3 October, 2012
In similar news Apple have announced OSX 10.9 will be available from next month only to users of ancient cheap-ass plastic macbooks who use their computers exclusively to look at lolcats and gifs of pandas sneezing.
Recent power-user purchasers of the expensive Retina Macbook Pro have six months of thrills and suspense as they wait for the update to slowly trickle down to them.
Apple released a press release stating: "Macbook Pro users have been able to enjoy a full feature set and Apple experience for a long time or at least the last month since they bought the damn expensive thing. We wanted to be able to give people that spent less and aren't really all that interested the opportunity to upgrade first, to give them the full Apple experience that they never cared about. Macbook Pro users will get the upgrade at some future arbitrary point in time, because fuck 'em, that's why."
Apple fanboys were quick to defend Apple from critics: "Hey it's not like your mac just stops working, it works fine with the old version and therefore it's totally not a completely sucky move"
(That's Satire, for the hard of thinking)
Recent power-user purchasers of the expensive Retina Macbook Pro have six months of thrills and suspense as they wait for the update to slowly trickle down to them.
Apple released a press release stating: "Macbook Pro users have been able to enjoy a full feature set and Apple experience for a long time or at least the last month since they bought the damn expensive thing. We wanted to be able to give people that spent less and aren't really all that interested the opportunity to upgrade first, to give them the full Apple experience that they never cared about. Macbook Pro users will get the upgrade at some future arbitrary point in time, because fuck 'em, that's why."
Apple fanboys were quick to defend Apple from critics: "Hey it's not like your mac just stops working, it works fine with the old version and therefore it's totally not a completely sucky move"
(That's Satire, for the hard of thinking)
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Papa Midnight
10:53 PM - 3 October, 2012
While this is funny as hell, the amazing thing is that many purchasers of MBP's spend $1700 on a notebook to do EXACTLY THIS xD.
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In similar news Apple have announced OSX 10.9 will be available from next month only to users of ancient cheap-ass plastic macbooks who use their computers exclusively to look at lolcats and gifs of pandas sneezing.While this is funny as hell, the amazing thing is that many purchasers of MBP's spend $1700 on a notebook to do EXACTLY THIS xD.
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acemc
5:59 PM - 4 October, 2012
The website says NS6 users can expect Serato DJ in spring 2013.
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
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hamplifier
6:25 PM - 4 October, 2012
its northern spring they said as i was wondering the same thing, so 6 months not a year :)
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dj lashes
6:39 AM - 5 October, 2012
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
i was also thinking the same... it would of be better just to say "expect around about x month"
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The website says NS6 users can expect Serato DJ in spring 2013.Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
i was also thinking the same... it would of be better just to say "expect around about x month"
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Papa Midnight
2:32 PM - 5 October, 2012
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
i was also thinking the same... it would of be better just to say "expect around about x month"
They've already stated multiple times that when Serato refers to seasons, they are referring to Northern Hemisphere.
P.S.: Serato's in NZ, Not Oz :P
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The website says NS6 users can expect Serato DJ in spring 2013.Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
i was also thinking the same... it would of be better just to say "expect around about x month"
They've already stated multiple times that when Serato refers to seasons, they are referring to Northern Hemisphere.
P.S.: Serato's in NZ, Not Oz :P
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mr187
4:10 PM - 22 October, 2012
2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
yes I did the answer was I had too many files for itch which suck a dj software shouldn't have a limit on files so I converted to hackingtosh and all my problems were solved. and now I can Use my nsfx unit without the crash. too bad we have to wait to spring for serato dj.
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No. It might seem surprising, as they only launched a new controller a few weeks ago, but in fact there will never be another update to Itch.2.2 is the last version Serato will ever make.
guess that mean windows users with external hdd's are ass out.
Well, not only did he eat his words on that one (as it was not the last version), external hdds work just fine for me and others. You tried making a help request?
yes I did the answer was I had too many files for itch which suck a dj software shouldn't have a limit on files so I converted to hackingtosh and all my problems were solved. and now I can Use my nsfx unit without the crash. too bad we have to wait to spring for serato dj.
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mr187
4:17 PM - 22 October, 2012
mine appears to still be working. But I agree it was a flop unless U use one of the mixers by rane for ssl which is upwards $1300.
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The bridge is dead was a massive flop with ssl. It now dont even work as ableton has gone 64bit. And both companies are working on there own things both do not have time or resources to work on the bridge. Take a read in tge bridge forums area.mine appears to still be working. But I agree it was a flop unless U use one of the mixers by rane for ssl which is upwards $1300.
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mr187
4:19 PM - 22 October, 2012
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It took them about four months to update Itch with a few minor features and big fixes. An entire architectural overhaul to 64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.
lol, +1
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Why Serato don't make ITCH and all softwares in 64-bit architecture instead 32-bit only?.
It took them about four months to update Itch with a few minor features and big fixes. An entire architectural overhaul to 64bit is likely something our grandchildren will to tell us about as they wipe the drool from our mouths and wheel us off to the home.
lol, +1
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LJ_WOOLSEY
4:20 PM - 22 October, 2012
When using the 64-bit version of Live, it is not possible to use Serato Scratch Live for real-time control of your Ableton Live Set. Sets cannot be loaded or synced to a deck in Scratch Live, and Live’s clips and tracks will not appear in Scratch Live.
Serato mixes saved in .als (Ableton Live Set) format can still be opened in the 64-bit version of Live and will work as expected.
Serato mixes saved in .als (Ableton Live Set) format can still be opened in the 64-bit version of Live and will work as expected.
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weeggyy
12:22 AM - 23 October, 2012
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
Iv'e read an article saying that NS6 will come first then followed by NS7 and V7...
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The website says NS6 users can expect Serato DJ in spring 2013.Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but can someone confirm if "spring" is spring in Australia or America or............. wherever. Thanks.
Iv'e read an article saying that NS6 will come first then followed by NS7 and V7...
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acemc
1:40 PM - 23 October, 2012
I'm quite happy with us all (different models) getting it at the same time, unless..... first means sooner than spring 2013. Then I'm stoked!!! Btw, which article was it?
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Iv'e read an article saying that NS6 will come first then followed by NS7 and V7...I'm quite happy with us all (different models) getting it at the same time, unless..... first means sooner than spring 2013. Then I'm stoked!!! Btw, which article was it?
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weeggyy
8:15 PM - 23 October, 2012
I'm quite happy with us all (different models) getting it at the same time, unless..... first means sooner than spring 2013. Then I'm stoked!!! Btw, which article was it?
djworx.com
So they told that ns6 will begin shipping with SDJ in early Q1 2013.... So i assume current NS6 users can upgrade for SDJ already...
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Iv'e read an article saying that NS6 will come first then followed by NS7 and V7...I'm quite happy with us all (different models) getting it at the same time, unless..... first means sooner than spring 2013. Then I'm stoked!!! Btw, which article was it?
djworx.com
So they told that ns6 will begin shipping with SDJ in early Q1 2013.... So i assume current NS6 users can upgrade for SDJ already...
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acemc
9:05 PM - 23 October, 2012
I understood spring for the north to be around about mid-march. Now with "early Q1" - I'm getting confused! Logic tells me "Q1" would be the first quarter of the year (Jan - March). Early = Jan, Mid = Feb, Late = March. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this now makes me think along the lines of Jan 2013, which is half the wait I was expecting :))
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mr187
7:54 PM - 24 October, 2012
might be worth the wait then to get a botched rush job.
now that I am running itch on an hachingtosh I can at least dj with my ns7,ns7fx and external hdd connected and not crash. I am ok with ITCH for now :)
now that I am running itch on an hachingtosh I can at least dj with my ns7,ns7fx and external hdd connected and not crash. I am ok with ITCH for now :)
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GaryWoodland
10:23 PM - 25 October, 2012
Hey guys, how does the auto gain on the NS6/Serato software work , I didn't know it had this feature? Thanks
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RodrigoVolta
1:24 AM - 26 October, 2012
Unfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
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Hey guys, how does the auto gain on the NS6/Serato software work , I didn't know it had this feature? ThanksUnfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
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RodrigoVolta
1:57 AM - 26 October, 2012
For me, worked!
Take a test: delete the BPM field of a any song or analyze it using Mixmeizter BPM Analyzer for example. Then load it into ITCH again WITHOUT REANALYZE IT and see if the "auto-gain" will work! Then you tell me!
I do not use ITCH to detect BPMs because many times detects the BPM completely wrong. I use a third party software to do what it should do with ITCH accuracy. Then I import the songs with BPMs already pre-detected and do the analysis in ITCH WITHOUT the "auto-bpm". Only with the "set Beatgrid" enabled. What happens is that, until then, the AUTO-GAIN works, but just restart ITCH that the AUTO BPM-no longer works!
For work, I would have to reanalyze all of my 30,000 songs with ITCH and with the "auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" enabled and take a risk of many of my songs become with BPM completely wrong! I'm very eclectic. I have music since electronic until Arabs, samba, French, classic, etc and though I rarely would do use of BPM in some of them, I'd like all (or at least most) had the correct BPM value, as in Traktor and virtual DJ! And the worst is that, depending on the song, the ITCH can not calculate the BPM leaving the field blank! This does not happen with the third party software that I use, like Mixed In Key! Then, attach the "auto-gain" with the "set auto-bpm" is completely wrong!!
I've made a complaint about this problem and the staff found that really is not working as it should. but, I can not expect much from Serato, since they are more concerned with "guise" than actually fix what should have been fixed a long time ago!
Cheer!
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Works fine for me.For me, worked!
Take a test: delete the BPM field of a any song or analyze it using Mixmeizter BPM Analyzer for example. Then load it into ITCH again WITHOUT REANALYZE IT and see if the "auto-gain" will work! Then you tell me!
I do not use ITCH to detect BPMs because many times detects the BPM completely wrong. I use a third party software to do what it should do with ITCH accuracy. Then I import the songs with BPMs already pre-detected and do the analysis in ITCH WITHOUT the "auto-bpm". Only with the "set Beatgrid" enabled. What happens is that, until then, the AUTO-GAIN works, but just restart ITCH that the AUTO BPM-no longer works!
For work, I would have to reanalyze all of my 30,000 songs with ITCH and with the "auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" enabled and take a risk of many of my songs become with BPM completely wrong! I'm very eclectic. I have music since electronic until Arabs, samba, French, classic, etc and though I rarely would do use of BPM in some of them, I'd like all (or at least most) had the correct BPM value, as in Traktor and virtual DJ! And the worst is that, depending on the song, the ITCH can not calculate the BPM leaving the field blank! This does not happen with the third party software that I use, like Mixed In Key! Then, attach the "auto-gain" with the "set auto-bpm" is completely wrong!!
I've made a complaint about this problem and the staff found that really is not working as it should. but, I can not expect much from Serato, since they are more concerned with "guise" than actually fix what should have been fixed a long time ago!
Cheer!
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mr187
5:21 PM - 26 October, 2012
Unfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
Serato told me it's not a bug it's a feature.
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Hey guys, how does the auto gain on the NS6/Serato software work , I didn't know it had this feature? ThanksUnfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
Serato told me it's not a bug it's a feature.
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RodrigoVolta
7:54 PM - 26 October, 2012
Unfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
Serato told me it's not a bug it's a feature.
Impossible!!! It's a bug, not a feature!!
See in serato.com
Cheer!!
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Hey guys, how does the auto gain on the NS6/Serato software work , I didn't know it had this feature? ThanksUnfortunately, the "auto-gain" is not working properly on any version of ITCH. What happens is that, to work, you have to analyze all your files with the options "set auto-bpm" and "set Beatgrid" activated, but the auto-gain only work while ITCH is open. Once you close it, will no longer work! It's a bug, like many others, that should already be fixed in this version 2.2.2.
Let's see if the SERATO DJ really worth the upgrade!
Serato told me it's not a bug it's a feature.
Impossible!!! It's a bug, not a feature!!
See in serato.com
Cheer!!
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