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Speaker Battle....Yorkville ls801p vs JBL VRX918sp

pdidy 6:17 AM - 3 June, 2011
Yes I had a speaker battle with 2 of my favorite powered subs in the "DJ" market.
These are the categories and winners.....

The loudest= winner yorkville ls801p (no surprise)
Best sound quality= winner vrxjbl 918sp
Goes Lowest= winner jbl vrx918sp
Bang for Buck= winner yorkville ls801p (yorkville street price $1000) (JBL street price $1500)
Portability= winner jbl vrx918sp (no surprise)
Best Warranty= winner yorkville ls801p (2yr even if you fuckitup, they will fix it for free Warranty)

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DJ GaFFle 11:03 AM - 3 June, 2011
That's a low street price for the Yorkville LS801P. WHere are you finding them that cheap (new)? Is that carpeted or painted?
pdidy 11:09 AM - 3 June, 2011
@ Vip in brooklyn on rockaway ave, new an Carpet.
Free Man 3:44 PM - 3 June, 2011
How much of an audible difference is there?
agentorange 4:39 PM - 3 June, 2011
yo didy were u djing at the parade on eastern pkwy last year?
pdidy 6:38 PM - 3 June, 2011
No but I was there drunk as hell having a great time.
pdidy 6:50 PM - 3 June, 2011
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How much of an audible difference is there?

The yorkville is about 3db louder than the jbl.
A person thats into sound will easily notice the jbl goes much lower but the average party goer won't.
agentorange 6:51 PM - 3 June, 2011
lmao. me too... blazed and i dont even blaze. got stuck in the parade and couldn't get off the street. ish was hilarious as fck. stuck out like a sore thumb. the lightest dude in there next to decked out carnival dancers! i was deaf for a week cause i was next to all those 18 wheeler monstrosities of sound systems!!

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No but I was there drunk as hell having a great time.
Professor.Tech 9:45 PM - 21 June, 2011
Hey guys im debating getting the same ls801p ,they have it new for $1050 here n brooklyn , would u guys say that they are the best bang for the buck within the price range?
pdidy 10:07 PM - 21 June, 2011
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Hey guys im debating getting the same ls801p ,they have it new for $1050 here n brooklyn , would u guys say that they are the best bang for the buck within the price range?

Get it !
I personally own 6 ls801p for a reason...lol. They are by far the best in there price range and easily the loudest. Where did you get that price at?.....VIP in Brooklyn is where i get them that low.
Free Man 10:50 PM - 21 June, 2011
how much do they weigh?
pdidy 11:01 PM - 21 June, 2011
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how much do they weigh?

137lbs yea there heavy but if you want loud u gota go big...(or alota lil cabs...lol)
www.yorkville.com
Free Man 11:07 PM - 21 June, 2011
Solid... i bet that makes for a nice clean bass.
Professor.Tech 11:48 PM - 21 June, 2011
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Hey guys im debating getting the same ls801p ,they have it new for $1050 here n brooklyn , would u guys say that they are the best bang for the buck within the price range?

Get it !
I personally own 6 ls801p for a reason...lol. They are by far the best in there price range and easily the loudest. Where did you get that price at?.....VIP in Brooklyn is where i get them that low.


hey pdidy @ Pro Audio Star < i called VIP and told mike and he said to "just" come in ?? i hope he can beat 1050 and i want em new not refurbished b stock
pdidy 12:16 AM - 22 June, 2011
you have to haggle with vip....they should beat Pro Audio Star.
Professor.Tech 12:17 AM - 22 June, 2011
will it be new though
or b stock / returned
Professor.Tech 12:17 AM - 22 June, 2011
i heard alot about that strip
pdidy 9:32 PM - 22 June, 2011
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will it be new though
or b stock / returned

new and they are certified yorkville dealers.
Professor.Tech 12:45 AM - 23 June, 2011
great i will be paying them a visit , but how do u like how they sound on that soca/dancehall vibe ?
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:23 AM - 23 June, 2011
pdidy...do they have various yorkville speakers in stock that I can demo there or they just order for you?
I've been having a really hard time finding a place that has yorkville speakers I can hear.
Free Man 2:41 AM - 23 June, 2011
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pdidy...do they have various yorkville speakers in stock that I can demo there or they just order for you?
I've been having a really hard time finding a place that has yorkville speakers I can hear.

+1...

i havent found them
Professor.Tech 2:53 AM - 23 June, 2011
i will be there tomorrow i will let yall know the deal in there plus price
pdidy 3:32 AM - 23 June, 2011
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great i will be paying them a visit , but how do u like how they sound on that soca/dancehall vibe ?

im a dancehhall , soco, hiphop dj......they are perfect for it. btw, the design of the ls801 is alot like the old school scoop sub which has been for years the most popular sub of choice for reggae djs.
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pdidy...do they have various yorkville speakers in stock that I can demo there or they just order for you?
I've been having a really hard time finding a place that has yorkville speakers I can hear.

yes they have the most popular models in store for demo......what in particular are u looking for ?
Professor.Tech 4:24 AM - 23 June, 2011
Great to know , what do u go by out here in nyc .also do run them straight or through a DSP "DBX,BBE..."
pdidy 4:51 AM - 23 June, 2011
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do run them straight or through a DSP "DBX,BBE..."
i always use a channel mixer www.musiciansbuy.com to get a strong output signal without redlining my main mixer. For the larger parties when im playing very loud i include the BBE DS26 www.bbesound.com. but it is perfectly fine to just plug straight into speaker.
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:02 PM - 23 June, 2011
Im interested in the LS808, LS1208 or the LS2104. It would be powered with a QSC 3602 (most likely bridged). I'm thinking the 1208 or 2104 could easily handle a wedding of about 200ppl by itself.
SELECT 7:09 PM - 23 June, 2011
Man if only I had a cargo van and some help at my gigs, Id have an all Yorkville Unity system, tops and bottoms. Nothing comes close price wise.
Free Man 7:18 PM - 23 June, 2011
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Man if only I had a cargo van and some help at my gigs, Id have an all Yorkville Unity system, tops and bottoms. Nothing comes close price wise.


nice dreams... that would be awesome... from the Van to the system.
Professor.Tech 7:19 PM - 23 June, 2011
i know but renting a uhaul for a day and putting 10 miles on it should not be expensive
Free Man 7:21 PM - 23 June, 2011
about .50 a mile and 30ish for the day
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:33 PM - 23 June, 2011
in NY uhaul cargo vans are $0.99 per mile. Plus $20 rental fee. $15 insurance.
SELECT 7:34 PM - 23 June, 2011
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i know but renting a uhaul for a day and putting 10 miles on it should not be expensive


The van rental wouldnt be a big deal, but its never that cheap with insurance, gas, mileage and rental fees. Its always more than I anticipate.

Storing them and then getting help to move them at gigs would be the biggest hassle. One of my Dj associates uses an older dual SR-X top and bottom JBL system. He has no choice, but to leave them in the cargo van. I live a condo, third floor. Not gonna happen.

538 pounds of serious sound though.. one day-
U215 Speaker 114 pounds
U215 Speaker 114 pounds
UCS1P Subwoofer 155 pounds
UCS1P Subwoofer 155 pounds
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:37 PM - 23 June, 2011
^^ Gas too..forgot about that.
Free Man 8:29 PM - 23 June, 2011
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in NY uhaul cargo vans are $0.99 per mile. Plus $20 rental fee. $15 insurance.


i was unsure about milage too... I did look at renting something though from enterprise (i think) and it seemed to be cheaper
pdidy 11:19 PM - 23 June, 2011
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I'm thinking the 1208 or 2104 could easily handle a wedding of about 200ppl by itself.

yes either would handle 200 no problem, i like the 2104 cause it goes lower and weight is 40lbs less. but 2 is the magic number if you can move them.
pdidy 7:47 AM - 24 June, 2011
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i will be there tomorrow i will let yall know the deal in there plus price

quess he didnt make it ?
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:35 PM - 24 June, 2011
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I'm thinking the 1208 or 2104 could easily handle a wedding of about 200ppl by itself.

yes either would handle 200 no problem, i like the 2104 cause it goes lower and weight is 40lbs less. but 2 is the magic number if you can move them.


Yea, it boggles my mind that a bigger speaker which is probably in a bigger enclosure weighs 40lbs less. Would you know if they have those there to demo?

I doubt I would get 2. If I'm getting something that big it will only be the one.
SELECT 2:48 PM - 24 June, 2011
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Yea, it boggles my mind that a bigger speaker which is probably in a bigger enclosure weighs 40lbs less. Would you know if they have those there to demo?

I doubt I would get 2. If I'm getting something that big it will only be the one.


Its in the design. The the 1208 has a bigger enclosure, but smaller woofer.

1208-
“basspipe” subwoofer system. The "basspipe" is a multiple flare horn, connected to an organ like pipe, slowly flaring to the mouth.

2104-
rear-loaded bass horn enclosure
Professor.Tech 7:30 PM - 24 June, 2011
@pdidy i went there got em , for 1100 and included 50 foot hosa xlr wire ...major Haggling >> lol ... these speakers are big as &^%* , but they bump i cant air them out in my apartment but i will this weekend , hopefully they will handle a crowd of 150-200 .. and 2 prx 612's or with 2 prx 635's .. pating a grand would have been great flat but the wires were 50
pdidy 9:14 PM - 24 June, 2011
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@pdidy i went there got em , for 1100 and included 50 foot hosa xlr wire ...major Haggling >> lol ... these speakers are big as &^%* , but they bump i cant air them out in my apartment but i will this weekend , hopefully they will handle a crowd of 150-200 .. and 2 prx 612's or with 2 prx 635's .. pating a grand would have been great flat but the wires were 50

"major Haggling >> lol" told you....lol. so did you buy 1 or 2 ? how do you like them ?
pdidy 9:40 PM - 24 June, 2011
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I'm thinking the 1208 or 2104 could easily handle a wedding of about 200ppl by itself.

yes either would handle 200 no problem, i like the 2104 cause it goes lower and weight is 40lbs less. but 2 is the magic number if you can move them.


Yea, it boggles my mind that a bigger speaker which is probably in a bigger enclosure weighs 40lbs less. Would you know if they have those there to demo?


not sure but i no they have the powered version www.yorkville.com you should call them.
Professor.Tech 1:22 PM - 8 August, 2011
i love my ls801p them wheels on it make it very easy to handle . definitely a two man sub but i kicks butt i have 2 bu i cant even test them in my appt
Free Man 3:37 PM - 8 August, 2011
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definitely a two man sub but i kicks butt i have 2 bu i cant even test them in my appt


2 weeks after i moved in an apartment i was listening to music very quietly (not being sarcastic) and douche bag neighbor starts hidding the beat on the wall... The apt was brand new and was suppose to have firewalls that added really good sound isolation... that was bull shit...

I always wanted to set up my full DJ system after that..
pdidy 3:53 PM - 8 August, 2011
my landlord lives directly above me....needless to say, Ive never hooked up my speaker sound system at home. ive been reduced to using these.......
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DJ GaFFle 6:57 PM - 8 August, 2011
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i love my ls801p them wheels on it make it very easy to handle . definitely a two man sub but i kicks butt i have 2 bu i cant even test them in my appt

I'm actually trying to turn a DJ friend on to the LS801P's... He's wanting a sub(s) to handle big gigs w/o breaking the bank.
Professor.Tech 7:12 PM - 8 August, 2011
yeah they bump and did not even eq the properly yet i run em raw from my jbl prx's
Professor.Tech 7:14 PM - 8 August, 2011
i have a pic of the two of them in my avatar they bump hella nice
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:44 PM - 8 August, 2011
I think I asked once before and I think Pdidy answered but he wasn't 100% sure, but I run my tops as Passive and I'm looking to get an 801p. My tops run through my driverack, id be able to use the 801p through the driverack so I can get them eq'ed right? I was trying to read the manual on the 801p to see which input to use and I was getting confused b/c I would want to make sure I can connect everythign properly through my driverack.
pdidy 9:26 PM - 8 August, 2011
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I think I asked once before and I think Pdidy answered but he wasn't 100% sure, but I run my tops as Passive and I'm looking to get an 801p. My tops run through my driverack, id be able to use the 801p through the driverack so I can get them eq'ed right? I was trying to read the manual on the 801p to see which input to use and I was getting confused b/c I would want to make sure I can connect everythign properly through my driverack.

no problem, driverack to 801p input and you're done.
www.omahaaudiorentals.com
pdidy 9:28 PM - 8 August, 2011
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i have a pic of the two of them in my avatar they bump hella nice

can u explain whats going on in your avatar
Professor.Tech 10:09 PM - 8 August, 2011
no prob , im running 2 PRX 635's , 2 prx 612's , 1 prx 615...2 behringer b215d 450 watt ..... 2 cervin vega scoops powered by a qsc 3000 watt amp... 2 YORKVILLE LS801P'S ...... 2 JBL JRX 100'S AND 1 MACKIE V450 ............NS7 PLUS VCI-300 BLOCK PARTY IN BROOKLYN NYC
AND YEAH THEM PRX'S PLAYED COOL ALL DAY NOT SHUT OFFS OR THERMALS AMEN NOT EVEN THE 635'S BUT THEY NEVER """KNOCK ON WOOD""
pdidy 10:13 PM - 8 August, 2011
so did it sound good.....btw im from BROOKLYN too.
DouggyFresh 10:27 PM - 8 August, 2011
The club I'm at has the VRX918SP's, we took one out, listened to it, then we went and listened to the Yorkville, I think the Yorkville definitely sounded better and louder. But - the 918SP's seem to have good bass travel, we have them mounted at chest level in front of the stage (6 of them), and that bass definitely still hit hard even with 1000 people standing in front of them absorbing all that sound. After 3 years of killing

But then you go listen to a Yorkville 21" 2400 watt sub and you get bass completely re-invented. (or even CV 21" Earthquakes)
Professor.Tech 10:35 PM - 8 August, 2011
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so did it sound good.....btw im from BROOKLYN too.

Heck yeah they was sounding great mind u i have them playing through a drive rack px that i have no idea how to set up with the ls801p ..so i ran the the Yorks out from the jbl outputs sounded nice ...was a free block party n my neck of the woods i only did so i could test out the speakers without the 71st precent taking my set of my dishes breaking ,,,,, yeah i know u from bk i went to v.i.p when i read u got em for a stack ..
pdidy 2:38 AM - 10 August, 2011
Did a party a week ago in a venue were i always use 1 yorkville ls801 with great results.. ........but tonite i put the JBL VRX918p to the test...i pushed the JBL VRX918p to max but could not achieve the the desired spl 1 yorkville ls801 would do with eeeeeease. When it comes to spl, Ive learned you need 2 JBL VRX918p to replace 1 yorkville ls801.

+ 1 for yorkville.
Certified Quality Entertainment 12:52 PM - 10 August, 2011
I want one!!! lol
I don't have any gigs lined up that I could use it for but i still want one!! :)
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:15 PM - 10 August, 2011
are the 801p really that much of a pain in the ass to move around? I have an explorer that I use to transport all my gear. Would there be any way I could get it in there myself? I know there is wheels in the back for easy rolling but lifting in the truck is what I'm concerned about if I want to take this out when I am by myself.
Free Man 3:49 PM - 10 August, 2011
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Did a party a week ago in a venue were i always use 1 yorkville ls801 with great results.. ........but tonite i put the JBL VRX918p to the test...i pushed the JBL VRX918p to max but could not achieve the the desired spl 1 yorkville ls801 would do with eeeeeease. When it comes to spl, Ive learned you need 2 JBL VRX918p to replace 1 yorkville ls801.

+ 1 for yorkville.


Wow... that isnt what i would have expected to hear... (especially for the price.)
NastyNate 4:17 PM - 10 August, 2011
The yorkville unity system is freaking awesome. 1 active 15" unity sub is close to if not exceeding your average well powered passive dual 18 sub .. when you start coupling the unity subs, they really start performing, We would use 4 unity subs and 4 unity tops for out door festivals, they would sound amazing. Horn loaded subs for the win !!
I can not compare these to the 801p, the only time I have herd the 801p was in conjunction with 4 unity subs

That being said, I use a cargo mini van or pull a trailer. I can not get one of these subs in my van by myself. and I can only fit one of em in my van 2 at the most. This is def a 2 person sub
SELECT 4:19 PM - 10 August, 2011
They are two different kind of subs really. A horn loaded sub will always let you "feel it". They are awesome for hip hop, reggae, etc. They are also a lot heavier.
Free Man 7:56 PM - 10 August, 2011
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They are two different kind of subs really. A horn loaded sub will always let you "feel it". They are awesome for hip hop, reggae, etc. They are also a lot heavier.


dont they require more power too?
pdidy 8:26 PM - 10 August, 2011
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Did a party a week ago in a venue were i always use 1 yorkville ls801 with great results.. ........but tonite i put the JBL VRX918p to the test...i pushed the JBL VRX918p to max but could not achieve the the desired spl 1 yorkville ls801 would do with eeeeeease. When it comes to spl, Ive learned you need 2 JBL VRX918p to replace 1 yorkville ls801.

+ 1 for yorkville.


Wow... that isnt what i would have expected to hear... (especially for the price.)

Well let me be clear.....the jbl is the best sounding and loudest when it comes to small dj subs period.
But the yorkville is much louder and bigger when compared to the jbl. All speakers have their limits and the size of the venue was just too large for the jbl. So basically the jbl was the wrong tool for the job. In a smaller venue that requires less spl the jbl would have beat the yorkville because of its superior sound quality. Like Select said these are different subs so you need to no what tool is best for the job.
SELECT 9:00 PM - 10 August, 2011
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They are two different kind of subs really. A horn loaded sub will always let you "feel it". They are awesome for hip hop, reggae, etc. They are also a lot heavier.


dont they require more power too?


Generally bigger subs are more efficient and require less power. JBl subs are really light, but require double/triple the amount of power as a eaw or yorkville. You would think its the oppossite. JBL uses high quality components that can take a lot of abuse in their higher end subs. The trade off is, they need a lot of watts to get them moving.
DJCrank 9:13 PM - 10 August, 2011
I need big sound with light weight. I am looking for a sub that wont crack my back bone...lol Right now I have a EV SXA180 and that thing is 100lbs. I catch hell at the end of the night loading that thing in the car. Im lookin for something smaller, willing to sacrifice a little bit of sound.
Free Man 10:10 PM - 10 August, 2011
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I need big sound with light weight. I am looking for a sub that wont crack my back bone...lol Right now I have a EV SXA180 and that thing is 100lbs. I catch hell at the end of the night loading that thing in the car. Im lookin for something smaller, willing to sacrifice a little bit of sound.


U-Haul with a ramp and a dolly/handcart/something with wheels
pdidy 10:26 PM - 10 August, 2011
Big sound but light equals big money or multiple small speakers. So what do u consider big sound ?
DouggyFresh 11:16 PM - 10 August, 2011
We use 6 JBL VRX918SP's with 8 JBL VRX932SP's (the powered 12 line arrays) in a venue that's about 10,000 sq feet (35 foot ceilings, an old theatre). The bass works well, even at full capacity (1300). The subs aren't flying, however, you can feel the bass (and they were turned up halfway on the speaker amp gain) no matter how many people are in the building. We moved 2 of them to another venue, turned up the remaining 4 a bit more finding little or no noticeable difference. In a 5000 sq. foot room, we are using 2 of the 918SP's. Seems adequate so far in our testing (we open that club this weekend).

However, the Yorkvilles definitely have more "kick" for the money, You can take 1 LS801P and feel the bass quite a bit more. To me the JBL's don't have that kick. One bar here has the LS801P, and 2 Yamaha S215V's powered by Crown XLS 2500's, and at 200 capacity (it's about 2000 sq ft), there's always more than enough bass that the LS801P if it were turned up past 1/4 it could be heard across the street.
Free Man 11:49 PM - 10 August, 2011
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there's always more than enough bass that the LS801P if it were turned up past 1/4 it could be heard across the street.


one of my fav things is walking into a club i'm going to DJ at that night and they are doing sound check.. you hear the subs hitting outside, then you open the door and BOOM BOOM BOOM, you can feel the vibration and air moving... "Tonight's gonna be a good night..."
pdidy 12:03 AM - 11 August, 2011
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We use 6 JBL VRX918SP's with 8 JBL VRX932SP's

I heard 8 JBL VRX918SP center clustered on the ground with 4 jbl srx725 top this weekend at a rave i went to just as a JOKE ! (im hiphop reggae). The sound was so sick i swear i couldn't stop giggling the hole night....My friend must have thought i was high on some of the rave drugs...lol. I would trade my entire yorkville,EV , QSC systems in for that no questions asked !
pdidy 12:04 AM - 11 August, 2011
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there's always more than enough bass that the LS801P if it were turned up past 1/4 it could be heard across the street.


one of my fav things is walking into a club i'm going to DJ at that night and they are doing sound check.. you hear the subs hitting outside, then you open the door and BOOM BOOM BOOM, you can feel the vibration and air moving... "Tonight's gonna be a good night..."

Me too....
Professor.Tech 2:52 PM - 11 August, 2011
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Big sound but light equals big money or multiple small speakers. So what do u consider big sound ?

@pdidy hey bro , do u know how to hook up the ls801p to the drive rack px ,there aint no settings for that yorkie ..... thanks
pdidy 4:48 PM - 11 August, 2011
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Big sound but light equals big money or multiple small speakers. So what do u consider big sound ?

@pdidy hey bro , do u know how to hook up the ls801p to the drive rack px ,there aint no settings for that yorkie ..... thanks

i dont own the drive rack px but i have use it. if you have not learned how to program it manually, it is perfectly fine to use 1 of the presets of a different speaker. just takes a lil testing to see which sounds best.
DouggyFresh 6:53 AM - 15 August, 2011
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We use 6 JBL VRX918SP's with 8 JBL VRX932SP's

I heard 8 JBL VRX918SP center clustered on the ground with 4 jbl srx725 top this weekend at a rave i went to just as a JOKE ! (im hiphop reggae). The sound was so sick i swear i couldn't stop giggling the hole night....My friend must have thought i was high on some of the rave drugs...lol. I would trade my entire yorkville,EV , QSC systems in for that no questions asked !


I don't know about the SRX725's but I have played everything from house, hip hop, reggae, on that JBL Vertec system and everything I played is so crystal clear no matter how loud you crank it. One night after we closed, I played Hotel California, a few Garth Brooks songs. Stairway to Heaven and its so amazingly crystal clear... The mids and highs are amazing. The only thing I heard comparable was when one rock band brought in DB Technologies line array system, which was pretty insane (I figured it cost almost triple what our system cost, and had more than double the wattage).
Dj Ace 5:30 PM - 16 August, 2011
All I know, with right amp the srx speakers are monsters! Them seem TOo loud most if the time...
Dj Ace 5:33 PM - 16 August, 2011
The yorkville sound is strong but not as clean sounding as the jbl's...but either way you can't go wrong
Professor.Tech 7:55 PM - 16 August, 2011
@ ace , them jbl is also 500+ more expensive than the yorkville ....... i used 2 ls801p's at a block party n it was maddnesss .but i wannna hear two of the jbl's
Dj Ace 8:31 PM - 16 August, 2011
Good point and the jbl's are power hungry...but so loud and crisp! The Yorkville for the price really perform Super well but not as crisp as the jbl's...but like you said the jbl's cost about 500 more
Dj Ace 9:00 PM - 16 August, 2011
Also alot lighter
Professor.Tech 9:22 PM - 16 August, 2011
u mean a hell of alot lighter also i had parties were my yorkvilles aint even make it through the door
Professor.Tech 9:24 PM - 16 August, 2011
too wide not compact like the jbl
pdidy 1:13 AM - 17 August, 2011
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@ ace , them jbl is also 500+ more expensive than the yorkville ....... i used 2 ls801p's at a block party n it was maddnesss .but i wannna hear two of the jbl's

2 jbls wont keep up with 2 ls801p's......you need 3 jbls to equal the output of 2 ls801p's. this comes at a very heavy cost, an to some it may not be worth it.
SELECT 12:59 PM - 17 August, 2011
They are both excellent subs! Your the man pdidy for having both. I wanted to be like you so I took out my EAW FR250z out of the basement. I wanted to compare to my SRX718s. No question the EAW kills! I love the bass from the EAW more, its a mini monster. I now call it the block shaker!! The bass from that thing is unreal. The way it thumps gives me goosebumps. If I could take it out to every gig I swear I would! Its just too bad its so damn heavy! My boy helped me bring it up and he was like GOTDAMN that what as workout lol! I was planning to sell it, but everytime I hear it, its hard to let it go.
Free Man 3:11 PM - 17 August, 2011
How much does te EAW weigh? the SRX718s isnt bad at all...
SELECT 3:32 PM - 17 August, 2011
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How much does te EAW weigh? the SRX718s isnt bad at all...


The EAW is a dual 15 inch sub weighing in at 125 pounds. Its impossible for one person to lift, just given the demensions of the box. The SRXs are super lightweight and i carry the subs up three flights by myself. Thats the main reason I got them.
Free Man 3:34 PM - 17 August, 2011
Damn! 3 flights of stairs? how do you hold them? i can't think of any subs that would be easy to carry.
SELECT 3:54 PM - 17 August, 2011
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Damn! 3 flights of stairs? how do you hold them? i can't think of any subs that would be easy to carry.


I just stand them up and grab the handles on each side. Its not bad at all really, like 40 pounds in each hand if you think about it.

The qsc is 88 pounds and this guy picks it right up. Watchwww.youtube.com The SRX 718 is only 80 pounds.
Free Man 3:57 PM - 17 August, 2011
be nice to get some straps and turn it into a back pack...
Dj Ace 4:56 PM - 17 August, 2011
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@ ace , them jbl is also 500+ more expensive than the yorkville ....... i used 2 ls801p's at a block party n it was maddnesss .but i wannna hear two of the jbl's

2 jbls wont keep up with 2 ls801p's......you need 3 jbls to equal the output of 2 ls801p's. this comes at a very heavy cost, an to some it may not be worth it.



you must be using the "wrong amp" LOL coz i use both on the regular and the srx 718 are louder and clearer IMO
Dj Ace 5:00 PM - 17 August, 2011
i use a crown itech 6000 for 2 to 4 srx 718's and a driverack PA+...this combination is deadly!
Dj Ace 5:00 PM - 17 August, 2011
especially with the 722's
Free Man 5:17 PM - 17 August, 2011
I used the QSC PLX3602 with the two 718's... very nice

www.guitarcenter.com
Dj Ace 5:31 PM - 17 August, 2011
@ freeman to you bridge it?
Free Man 5:42 PM - 17 August, 2011
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@ freeman to you bridge it?

I think so... I rented it about 6 months ago... looking back, I dont remember for sure.
Dj Ace 5:42 PM - 17 August, 2011
www.fullcompass.com

vs.

www.fullcompass.com

So for 2 JBL srx's around $1000.00 and for 2 Yorkville LS801 around $3000.00.
if you add a qsc 3602 amplifer (since they are non powered) to the JBL option it is pretty close to the same $3000.00
Free Man 5:43 PM - 17 August, 2011
oh... i wasn't using the 718 i was using the 728

www.fullcompass.com
Free Man 5:44 PM - 17 August, 2011
lol... now it makes more sense why i was trying to picture one person carrying one of those up 3 flights of stairs lol...
pdidy 7:18 PM - 17 August, 2011
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@ ace , them jbl is also 500+ more expensive than the yorkville ....... i used 2 ls801p's at a block party n it was maddnesss .but i wannna hear two of the jbl's

2 jbls wont keep up with 2 ls801p's......you need 3 jbls to equal the output of 2 ls801p's. this comes at a very heavy cost, an to some it may not be worth it.



you must be using the "wrong amp" LOL coz i use both on the regular and the srx 718 are louder and clearer IMO


nope, not using the wrong amp. I think jbl would call it the perfect amp.....i26.photobucket.com. i use the jbl vrx918sp. While the jbl has better sound quality, as i stated in the 1st post, Theres no way in this life time the jbl will be anywhere near as loud as the yorkville. This is the 1st time ive ever heard anyone say the jbl is louder. You sure you're not referring to the jbl srx728.www.musiciansbuy.com.
djticonyc 10:22 PM - 17 August, 2011
I have the jbl prx 618-xlf and I'm actually disappointed on the spl output for the $. My boi has the yorkville ls801p and it thumps. I thought the jbl would have been the same.
Dj Ace 2:33 AM - 18 August, 2011
I usually run 4 srx 718's maybe your right????
Dj Ace 2:37 AM - 18 August, 2011
I don't know about the vrx's tho...but when I hook up my drive rack with 2 crown itch 6000 and 4 srx 718s and 2 722s is amazingly loud so much bass!
SELECT 1:14 PM - 18 August, 2011
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I have the jbl prx 618-xlf and I'm actually disappointed on the spl output for the $. My boi has the yorkville ls801p and it thumps. I thought the jbl would have been the same.



Why would you think an 80 pound self powered 1000 watt bass reflex sub would sound the same as a 140 pound 1500 watt horn loaded sub?
Free Man 2:39 PM - 18 August, 2011
Folded Horn
www.guitarcenter.com

What makes
happyloweststore.info
horn loaded sub

can you help me understand the different types and what makes it?
SELECT 2:56 PM - 18 August, 2011
Im no expert, but Im prettys sure it has to do with actual box itself. They always have a funky design to move the air out. Something like this speakerstore.nl They also tend to throw out the bass in front. Giving you that bass you can "feel" aspect on the dancefloor. They are usually heavier subs by default. Your other bass reflex subs tend to have a small port compared to horn type sub.
Free Man 3:48 PM - 18 August, 2011
www.guitarcenter.com
= Reflex... right?
SELECT 5:13 PM - 18 August, 2011
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www.guitarcenter.com
= Reflex... right?


Yup. The dont project forward as much as a horn loaded, but they definitely sound better. If you want bass you can just feel on the dancefloor go with a horn loaded type enclosure. Cerwin Vegas are cheap and do the job.
Free Man 7:05 PM - 18 August, 2011
i've never seen those yorkvilles up close, what is the horn loaded sub talking about?
DouggyFresh 7:22 PM - 21 August, 2011
The horn loaded speaker is "inside" the box (usually called a folded horn sub, because they compress a 6 foot+ long sound path inside of the box), so all the bass projects out of a wide port usually on the bottom or top of the box. A conventional loaded sub, the speaker is on the front of box, with a port on the front of the box as well. Horn loaded subs typically are +6dB louder than their conventional counterparts, but tend to be a lot "boomier", meaning for a sound quality setup (jazz, spoken word, live band, etc) conventional subs have a lot more flat frequency response. But for dance music, reggae, hip hop, etc, the horn loaded subs have a lot more kick for the same amount of power.

Here is a sample diagram of what a folded horn subwoofer box looks like:

www.gourmetsaint.com.au
Free Man 5:19 AM - 22 August, 2011
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The horn loaded speaker is "inside" the box (usually called a folded horn sub, because they compress a 6 foot+ long sound path inside of the box), so all the bass projects out of a wide port usually on the bottom or top of the box. A conventional loaded sub, the speaker is on the front of box, with a port on the front of the box as well. Horn loaded subs typically are +6dB louder than their conventional counterparts, but tend to be a lot "boomier", meaning for a sound quality setup (jazz, spoken word, live band, etc) conventional subs have a lot more flat frequency response. But for dance music, reggae, hip hop, etc, the horn loaded subs have a lot more kick for the same amount of power.

Here is a sample diagram of what a folded horn subwoofer box looks like:

www.gourmetsaint.com.au


awesome! thanks for the info. where does the term "horn" come from? when i think of horn i dont think bass
pdidy 7:02 AM - 22 August, 2011
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The horn loaded speaker is "inside" the box (usually called a folded horn sub, because they compress a 6 foot+ long sound path inside of the box), so all the bass projects out of a wide port usually on the bottom or top of the box. A conventional loaded sub, the speaker is on the front of box, with a port on the front of the box as well. Horn loaded subs typically are +6dB louder than their conventional counterparts, but tend to be a lot "boomier", meaning for a sound quality setup (jazz, spoken word, live band, etc) conventional subs have a lot more flat frequency response. But for dance music, reggae, hip hop, etc, the horn loaded subs have a lot more kick for the same amount of power.

Here is a sample diagram of what a folded horn subwoofer box looks like:

www.gourmetsaint.com.au


awesome! thanks for the info. where does the term "horn" come from? when i think of horn i dont think bass

Because the horn subs design is based on your standard musical horn. So this inlowsound.weebly.com came from this gordondallas.yolasite.com
pdidy 7:04 AM - 22 August, 2011
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The horn loaded speaker is "inside" the box (usually called a folded horn sub, because they compress a 6 foot+ long sound path inside of the box), so all the bass projects out of a wide port usually on the bottom or top of the box. A conventional loaded sub, the speaker is on the front of box, with a port on the front of the box as well. Horn loaded subs typically are +6dB louder than their conventional counterparts, but tend to be a lot "boomier", meaning for a sound quality setup (jazz, spoken word, live band, etc) conventional subs have a lot more flat frequency response. But for dance music, reggae, hip hop, etc, the horn loaded subs have a lot more kick for the same amount of power.

Here is a sample diagram of what a folded horn subwoofer box looks like:

www.gourmetsaint.com.au


awesome! thanks for the info. where does the term "horn" come from? when i think of horn i dont think bass

Because the horn subs design is based on your standard musical horn. So this inlowsound.weebly.com came from this www.faqs.org
Free Man 3:06 PM - 23 August, 2011
awesome... lol.
partyrockers 3:36 AM - 9 April, 2012
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Yes I had a speaker battle with 2 of my favorite powered subs in the "DJ" market.
These are the categories and winners.....

The loudest= winner yorkville ls801p (no surprise)
Best sound quality= winner vrxjbl 918sp
Goes Lowest= winner jbl vrx918sp
Bang for Buck= winner yorkville ls801p (yorkville street price $1000) (JBL street price $1500)
Portability= winner jbl vrx918sp (no surprise)
Best Warranty= winner yorkville ls801p (2yr even if you fuckitup, they will fix it for free Warranty)

i26.photobucket.com


I tested 2 x ls1801p tonight with 2 srx715. I found the sub losted it's kick about 50-100 feet back. I was in a room with myself and a friend. Would the sound be better if it was filled with people?

My buddy suggested getting 4 x VRX918sp per show rather than 2 x ls801p per show.

The ls801p thumps, but when the srx715's came on, the bass seemed to disappear when I walked to the other side of the room.
pdidy 11:01 AM - 9 April, 2012
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I tested 2 x ls1801p tonight with 2 srx715. I found the sub losted it's kick about 50-100 feet back.

what was the room capacity ?
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Would the sound be better if it was filled with people?
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My buddy suggested getting 4 x VRX918sp per show rather than 2 x ls801p per show.

yes 4 x VRX918sp is better than 2 ls801p but you already said no to that advise as I recall, right ?.
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The ls801p thumps, but when the srx715's came on, the bass seemed to disappear when I walked to the other side of the room.

this could be caused by incorrect speaker placement causing frequency cancellation. Are the tops playing full range, what were the crossover points ? this can cause frequency cancellation. the room itself could even be an issue.

Btw when used properly, the ls801p does not lack in output an is the loudest sub in its price range by far. Your issues are likely user error, I suggest a qualified assistant to teach you the basics. This will save you time and money in the long run.
partyrockers 11:13 AM - 9 April, 2012
room capacity = 600
room has low ceilings

subs/tops were about 35 feet apart
subs on floor
tops 7' from the ground on stands
all shooting strait out
QSC3602 bridged powering the tops - prob get PL380 soon
no processor when we tested
amp was set to full-range and 33hz for tops
partyrockers 11:22 AM - 9 April, 2012
Can you answer this...

SRX718 and the VRX918sp....are they both the same box (just one not powered)?
Certified Quality Entertainment 11:22 AM - 9 April, 2012
First mistake is seperating the subs. They should be coupled in the middle of your set up with the tops on the sides. Your amp should not be set to full range is mistake 2. Both of those will certainly change the aound you are hearing.
pdidy 11:40 AM - 9 April, 2012
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room capacity = 600

the 2 x ls801 will cover a room with a capacity up 300. You dont have enough subs for that size room. you need 4 x ls801p
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subs/tops were about 35 feet apart

subs should be center clustered (together in the center)for best results.
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no processor when we tested

why ?
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amp was set to full-range and 33hz for tops

this is likely the cause of your problem an the main reason you need a qualified assistant to teach you the basics. this is obvious user error.
pdidy 11:43 AM - 9 April, 2012
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Can you answer this...

SRX718 and the VRX918sp....are they both the same box (just one not powered)?

close but definite not the same.
partyrockers 11:54 AM - 9 April, 2012
srx718 with the right amp and processing be superior to the VRX?

or is the VRX a monster compared to the SRX?
pdidy 12:14 PM - 9 April, 2012
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srx718 with the right amp and processing be superior to the VRX?

a properly powered an processed srx718 is about equal to a vrx BUT most people are NOT qualified to do it properly. therefore i call the vrx the winner.
partyrockers 1:07 PM - 9 April, 2012
since you own both ls801p and vrx918sp ... in your professional opinion...

4 x vrx tuned correctly (basic eq)
or
4 srx tuned correctly (bss mini drive)
or
2 ls801p tuned correctly (basic eq)

tops would be 2 x srx715

which is the better system for sound quality (not weight)
pdidy 1:18 PM - 9 April, 2012
the choice is rather easy........ 4 x vrx tuned correctly (basic eq).
DJ GaFFle 1:24 PM - 9 April, 2012
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room capacity = 600

the 2 x ls801 will cover a room with a capacity up 300. You dont have enough subs for that size room. you need 4 x ls801p
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subs/tops were about 35 feet apart

subs should be center clustered (together in the center)for best results.
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no processor when we tested

why ?



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amp was set to full-range and 33hz for tops

this is likely the cause of your problem an the main reason you need a qualified assistant to teach you the basics. this is obvious user error.

I believe the rules for separating subs is that they must be a 1/4 wavelength or full wavelength apart (I don't remember exactly). This equates to about 50 feet apart to prevent unnecessary cancellations. Your best bet is to cluster them and insure they're on the ground. Even if clustering, you could be running into room cancellations like PDidy mentioned. I bet if you had any other powered sub from GC in the exact same positions, you'd think they'd have lost their kick at 25-50 feet back instead of the 50-100 feet you experienced from the Yorkvilles.

You need to have the filter set on the amp or DSP to about 100Hz for the highs or about 10Hz higher than where your subs are cutting off. (ex: subs will handle 45Hz - 90Hz... tops handle 100Hz - 20kHz). You probably had muddy sound + cancellation because your tops where trying to duplicate the same frequencies as your subs; they're not meant to handle those low ranges when a dedicated sub is in the mix.
partyrockers 1:25 PM - 9 April, 2012
OK :)

Was it you that also suggested the EV-ZXA5 Tops?

2 x ZXA5 tops
4 x VRX918sp subs

are we rockin' ?

how many people could this handle in a school gym. please keep in mind I spin for kids ages 7-13 only. no more than 600 at one time....so it really does not need to be "club" level at all.

a warm "comfortable feeling" type of sound.
DJ GaFFle 1:36 PM - 9 April, 2012
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OK :)

Was it you that also suggested the EV-ZXA5 Tops?

2 x ZXA5 tops
4 x VRX918sp subs

are we rockin' ?

how many people could this handle in a school gym. please keep in mind I spin for kids ages 7-13 only. no more than 600 at one time....so it really does not need to be "club" level at all.

a warm "comfortable feeling" type of sound.

I think everybody suggested the ZXa5 tops, LoL.

You're not bad off with the SRX715's, I just think they require too much power to drive them and they require that you have a DSP or an amplifier with one built-in.

That setup you mention seems very adequate for up to 600 kids. Now 600 highschoolers is another story. You'll have to be careful because you'll be pressing those 2 ZXa5 tops to some extremes. Yes, they are loud but 600 is a lot of folks and you'll really have to pay attention to your levels as there are no peak lights to warn you... only your ears.
Free Man 1:40 PM - 9 April, 2012
Gaffle, how do you measure one wave length, wouldnt it depend on the volume and also the frequency of the bass?

I could also picture that there would be an issue if the distance from the two subs are closer than you and the sub. that would cause the bass to get canceled before you heard it.

I have a lot of experience with sound, and can pick out things that are wrong or causing a problem.. but in this case, other than putting the subs together, i cant think of how to fix it.
pdidy 1:41 PM - 9 April, 2012
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Was it you that also suggested the EV-ZXA5 Tops?

2 x ZXA5 tops
4 x VRX918sp subs

yes and just about everybody else.
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how many people could this handle in a school gym. please keep in mind I spin for kids ages 7-13 only. no more than 600 at one time....so it really does not need to be "club" level at all.

a warm "comfortable feeling" type of sound.

i think 4 vrx will be ideal if you dont need "club" level.
DJ GaFFle 1:41 PM - 9 April, 2012
I did a college gig in a ballroom of about 750 people with only 2 ZXa5's and 2 Danley TH-118's. The bass was VeRy adequate but the tops were screaming for mercy. I had them raised high but it was an excessive stretch.

I should have had 3 subs for a little more headroom and some extra tops (any type) placed strategically to spread the sound around a little better. It still sounded really good though. I had the subs clustered and corner loaded which may have helped the cause.
partyrockers 1:43 PM - 9 April, 2012
I had the subs clustered and corner loaded which may have helped the cause.

^^^^ please explain this....
DJ GaFFle 1:50 PM - 9 April, 2012
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I had the subs clustered and corner loaded which may have helped the cause.

^^^^ please explain this....

I'll put this is lay terms:

If you're not a pro or in doubt, clustering the subs is 'generally' better than separating them. Being clustered, you will be less likely to have sub frequency cancellations and you get an extra 3dB of loudness from the pair when they are clustered together / side-by-side).

When you put them in a corner, the walls act as an extra boundary and increase the bass response even more (by an extra few dB's). I may be off with my numbers but simply Google 'corner loading subs' or 'clustering subs'. Tons of stuff out their explaining it factually.
DJ GaFFle 1:51 PM - 9 April, 2012
The corner loading scenario is not sure fire as some room's acoustics, shape, materials and ceiling heights can come into play.
Free Man 2:06 PM - 9 April, 2012
I would also add/question... wouldnt he want to make sure that he is even with those subs? example: he doesnt want to have the subs 50 ft in back of him and off to the side. if the subs will be against a wall, he'd want to be along that same wall. right?
DJ GaFFle 2:06 PM - 9 April, 2012
www.astralsound.com

They show several scenarios setups (separate vs. clustered) in a room. In most room scenarious, clustering generally comes out of top:

...the bass speakers have been placed together in a central position, on the floor in front of the stage. As discussed above, placing them together - coupling their output - produces a measurable increase in level. Placing them on the floor also gives an increase in level.

Because the sound radiates from what is now effectively a single source, phase cancellation between the bass speakers themselves is eliminated, and although the effects of distance and boundary walls may still be noticeable, the spread of sound is much more even.

This layout is therefore a good way to maximise output, minimise phase cancellation, and provide relatively even audience cover indoors; however, the these advantages may be outweighed by effect of room dimensions - see above - which EQ is relatively powerless to correct.

I'm trying to find the 1/4 (?) wavelength rule link that I've read in the past. I'm not a pro at this but again, just cluster your subs if in doubt.
Taipanic 2:23 PM - 9 April, 2012
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are the 801p really that much of a pain in the ass to move around? I have an explorer that I use to transport all my gear. Would there be any way I could get it in there myself? I know there is wheels in the back for easy rolling but lifting in the truck is what I'm concerned about if I want to take this out when I am by myself.

I lift one in and out of an HHR Panel by myself. It's not great for my back but I have done it at least a 100 times. Can only fit 1 of those in my truck though.
DJ GaFFle 2:29 PM - 9 April, 2012
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I would also add/question... wouldnt he want to make sure that he is even with those subs? example: he doesnt want to have the subs 50 ft in back of him and off to the side. if the subs will be against a wall, he'd want to be along that same wall. right?


It doesn't matter that his subs are near him or not, it just matters that the sweet spot for the bass hits the dance floor. You have to move the subs around and try different placement. Most people don't have the time before a gig experiment with this or the room placement simply won't allow so you have to make the best of the basics.

I think the big thing is time alignment when the subs are away from the tops. He doesn't want his scoop-style subs to be far behind the tops. Imagine you're a patron and the DJ's tops 10 feet if front of you but the subs are 200 feet back. The sub bass is gonna be really delayed reaching you on the kicks and the song will sound awkward. That's where a DSP comes in and the DJ simply delays the sound going to the tops by a few msecs. They attempt to 'time align' the speaker's sound to hit at the same time and play harmoniously together.
Free Man 2:57 PM - 9 April, 2012
Thats what i'm talkin about... i've been to places plenty of times where you hear the bass hitting and it sounds like a different song because it doesnt match up with the sound coming from the mains at all.
partyrockers 3:02 PM - 9 April, 2012
Guys...

Here is what I'm using ... starting this weekend

8 x VRX918sp
4 x SRX715
2 x QSCPL380

Which processor do you suggest?
DJ GaFFle 3:09 PM - 9 April, 2012
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Guys...

Here is what I'm using ... starting this weekend

8 x VRX918sp
4 x SRX715
2 x QSCPL380

Which processor do you suggest?

Have these fallen off a truck or do you just got it like that?

I chose the EV DC One processor. Many would simply say the DBX Driverack 260 is defacto bu the the EV had a few extra but necessary features over the Driverack.
DJ GaFFle 3:12 PM - 9 April, 2012
There are some cheaper options for DSP out there but don't go too cheap. You don't want to negate your quality speakers w/ a bootleg DSP that is the core of your setup. I hope you're running very good / great quality music files too. Those speakers should give you good sound if you have them set up properly.
partyrockers 3:14 PM - 9 April, 2012
playback DJ music only .... no live music

BSS FDS-334T is probably what I will stick with for processing
SELECT 3:21 PM - 9 April, 2012
This whole thread stinks of delusion. Sorry man, but you cant afford 4 VRXs, but then you come out with 8? If you got it like that then go for the JBL Marquis system and call it a day. www.jblpro.com

Anyways you should be using SRX 722s for that setup your describing. i240.photobucket.com Where are your placing the 715s?
JDforKing 3:36 PM - 9 April, 2012
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This whole thread stinks of delusion. Sorry man, but you cant afford 4 VRXs, but then you come out with 8? If you got it like that then go for the JBL Marquis system and call it a day. www.jblpro.com

Anyways you should be using SRX 722s for that setup your describing. i240.photobucket.com Where are your placing the 715s?


Thank you for exposing how delusion this guy is. I think he's been pulling our legs all along.
partyrockers 3:43 PM - 9 April, 2012
^^^ pulling your leg?

I did get the ls801p to start with but, its way too big man.

I want to keep the SRX715 as sometimes I will need to go into very small venues 200 max capacity and they will be useful on stands in those venues.

I cannot lift a 722 nor can my wife. We do shows seperatly.
JDforKing 3:45 PM - 9 April, 2012
I saw in an earlier post where money was a concern, and then all of a sudden you have access to 8 vrx918sp, just seem a little fishy my friend.
partyrockers 3:53 PM - 9 April, 2012
My buddy pointed out this factor...

2 x SRX718 + QSC3602 = $3800 (plus NL4 cables) (more to lug and heavier)

2 x VRX918sp = $3900 (plus XLR cables) (all done!)
SELECT 3:58 PM - 9 April, 2012
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I saw in an earlier post where money was a concern, and then all of a sudden you have access to 8 vrx918sp, just seem a little fishy my friend.


Exactly. Thats $16,000 on subs alone.
SELECT 4:01 PM - 9 April, 2012
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^^^ pulling your leg?

I did get the ls801p to start with but, its way too big man.

I want to keep the SRX715 as sometimes I will need to go into very small venues 200 max capacity and they will be useful on stands in those venues.

I cannot lift a 722 nor can my wife. We do shows seperatly.


SRX 722- 76 pounds.
VRX918sp- 85 pounds.

Good luck. Hope you figure things out... some day.
partyrockers 4:02 PM - 9 April, 2012
That's all i needed ... plus 3 x PL380 amps

All the other stuff I had already.

BSS mini-drive
SRX715

Plus I traded-in 4 x old SRX718 (from 2004) and 4 x 3602 amps.
DJ GaFFle 4:35 PM - 9 April, 2012
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This whole thread stinks of delusion. Sorry man, but you cant afford 4 VRXs, but then you come out with 8? If you got it like that then go for the JBL Marquis system and call it a day. www.jblpro.com

Anyways you should be using SRX 722s for that setup your describing. i240.photobucket.com Where are your placing the 715s?


Thank you for exposing how delusion this guy is. I think he's been pulling our legs all along.

LOL... I'm not mad. I like talking about ProAudio equipment and other readers can still glean from the knowledge/experiences being dropped on this thread. It does seem like he's going in circles and his equipment is just magically appearing.
Free Man 4:39 PM - 9 April, 2012
I'd like that problem... lol... Boom, wake up and there are some new VRX speakers in my garage... that would be a good day... as long as the cops arent the ones that woke me up to show them to me...
partyrockers 5:06 PM - 9 April, 2012
All legit gear....no trucks came by in the middle of the night

It's about $23k for all, but once all trade-ins are accounted for it's $15,000 total. $5k down and $1k a month payments to the store.
SELECT 5:34 PM - 9 April, 2012
Post pics of the VRX subs, SRXs and amps. At this point its hard to believe anything you post. Sorry bro, you dont just go trying out and exchanging equipment like that in a matter of days.
SELECT 5:37 PM - 9 April, 2012
You got $23k in equipment for a school dance. You can most definitely post pics of what you just got.
partyrockers 5:45 PM - 9 April, 2012
VRX / PL380 ... on order ... no later than Wednesday arrival ...

2 x ls1801p in my truck now ready for return along with 3 x qsc 3602 amps ...

wants pics of those?
partyrockers 5:46 PM - 9 April, 2012
$23k in gear is spread out into 3 different shows at one time... 2 big / 1 small
partyrockers 5:47 PM - 9 April, 2012
Once all the "new" gear is in my possession, i will take pics. Wednesday latest!
SELECT 6:28 PM - 9 April, 2012
Once I got my QSC amp for the subs I set it up at my buddies house. His neighbors werent home. Coupled the subs came to life. It really does work. Sounded like I had a much bigger sub. It was phenomenal, the bass was much deeper, richer and clean.
i66.photobucket.com
Subs stacked, completely different experience. When they talk about chest thumping bass, thats what they mean. I noticed I could feel and hear bass right below my chin. Interesting how just placing subs a certain way completely changes the way they sound and feel.
i66.photobucket.com
Amps, DSP, power conditioner. The QSC amp is now in its own rolling case. Its fuckin heavy, damn.
i66.photobucket.com
partyrockers 7:04 PM - 9 April, 2012
^^^ which amps are you using? how heavy are they?
partyrockers 7:06 PM - 9 April, 2012
^^^ ...oops ... just saw the last pic
partyrockers 7:19 PM - 9 April, 2012
my stuff .... all that is here right now ... we have 2 storage lockers....

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Free Man 7:20 PM - 9 April, 2012
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Once I got my QSC amp for the subs I set it up at my buddies house. His neighbors werent home. Coupled the subs came to life. It really does work. Sounded like I had a much bigger sub. It was phenomenal, the bass was much deeper, richer and clean.
i66.photobucket.com
Subs stacked, completely different experience. When they talk about chest thumping bass, thats what they mean. I noticed I could feel and hear bass right below my chin. Interesting how just placing subs a certain way completely changes the way they sound and feel.
i66.photobucket.com
Amps, DSP, power conditioner. The QSC amp is now in its own rolling case. Its fuckin heavy, damn.
i66.photobucket.com


(Sorry for being a jerk... but i have to say this)

Another great way to make any system sound later is... set it up in a room 1/1000 of the size of a large venue... I hate small rooms at places like GC where there is a huge speaker in a small room... wow, sounds great...
SELECT 7:27 PM - 9 April, 2012
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Once I got my QSC amp for the subs I set it up at my buddies house. His neighbors werent home. Coupled the subs came to life. It really does work. Sounded like I had a much bigger sub. It was phenomenal, the bass was much deeper, richer and clean.
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Amps, DSP, power conditioner. The QSC amp is now in its own rolling case. Its fuckin heavy, damn.
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(Sorry for being a jerk... but i have to say this)

Another great way to make any system sound later is... set it up in a room 1/1000 of the size of a large venue... I hate small rooms at places like GC where there is a huge speaker in a small room... wow, sounds great...


I mainly wanted to test out the subs with the QSC amp before I brought them out with it. It was a huge difference from the last amp I was using. I tested just one sub and then played both. I had to make sure my bridged wiring adjustments I did were correct. I think Im going to use them both for a gig I have coming up at the end of the month. Im definitely gonna take vids.
SELECT 7:42 PM - 9 April, 2012
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Ok, great, your were be honest about it. Your just totally confused lol, but its all good bro. I think your new setup will be awesome. Definitely take pics or vids of the VRX subs in action. Id love to hear 4 of them, stacked!
partyrockers 8:13 PM - 9 April, 2012
BTW ... my jbl speakers have the annoying orange logo on the front. i noticed yours did not ... how can I remove mine? one of my orange logos are cracked too.
SELECT 8:26 PM - 9 April, 2012
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BTW ... my jbl speakers have the annoying orange logo on the front. i noticed yours did not ... how can I remove mine? one of my orange logos are cracked too.


I remember they were actually heavy duty stickers. You can peel them right off.
DJ GaFFle 10:48 PM - 9 April, 2012
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BTW ... my jbl speakers have the annoying orange logo on the front. i noticed yours did not ... how can I remove mine? one of my orange logos are cracked too.


I remember they were actually heavy duty stickers. You can peel them right off.

Thank goodness... and yes, they look better with the logos taken off.
partyrockers 12:30 AM - 10 April, 2012
Best looking speaker JBL had with the logos I thought were the Cabarat Series.
partyrockers 12:31 AM - 10 April, 2012
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You got $23k in equipment for a school dance. You can most definitely post pics of what you just got.


When I use to tour with a video road show back in the late 1980's / early 1990's we had $250k worth of gear in a 5-tonn truck. All that for one show!
partyrockers 12:48 AM - 10 April, 2012
Road Show Pics ... old school

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partyrockers 1:46 PM - 11 April, 2012
Has anyone used the DBX Driverack PX ?

Seems simple to use and affordable for active sound systems.
Dj Ace 6:05 PM - 11 April, 2012
I use the drive rack PA+ with prx 612's and it makes a difference! Highs sound cleaner and bass smoother
partyrockers 6:08 PM - 11 April, 2012
how do you hook that up to the 612's?

or ... how would i hook up this system

2 x srx 715
4 x vrx 918sp
SELECT 6:25 PM - 11 April, 2012
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how do you hook that up to the 612's?

or ... how would i hook up this system

2 x srx 715
4 x vrx 918sp


This is where things get funky. Jbl does not have tunings for the VRX speakers/subs. They are already tuned and powered properly. Thats why they cost so damn much. Correct me if Im wrong.

The DBX is the best thing I have purchased for the SRX speakers though. Depending on what subs and amps Im using it configures them for the best sound. It sets everything for you, limiters, crossovers, etc. I notice the limiter and crossover settings change from my using my qsc amp vs crown amp. Its very smart, but for passive speakers.
partyrockers 6:35 PM - 11 April, 2012
I was looking at the driverack PX ... It's for powered speakers but DBX SAYS it will work with my passive 715 combo
SELECT 7:11 PM - 11 April, 2012
It wont configure the 715s or VRX subs. I hope you know enough to set up everything manually. Your gonna need a lot of time and patience. Good luck. Im done.
Dj Ace 10:40 PM - 11 April, 2012
The drive rack px (also the pa +) have speaker setting for ALL JBL speakers and crown amp plus a few non crown amps...so yes the 715 setting are in all drive racks

To run powered and non powered using a drive rack is simple. Drive racks hook up to amps not speakers they just have speaker presets. So basically run your powered vrx subs direct using srx preset or just full range and the 715 using the presets
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Dj Ace 3:25 PM - 12 April, 2012
Our racks look similar LOL except for the amps (i have itch 6000) and only one drive rack...I use one drive rack for both cases...
Dj Ace 3:25 PM - 12 April, 2012
will post pics today
Dj Ace 3:26 PM - 12 April, 2012
Our racks look similar LOL except for the amps (i have itch 6000) and only one drive rack...I use one drive rack for both cases...
vjmarcus 12:12 AM - 25 April, 2012
JBL VRX update...

The good...

- they sound amazing!

The bad...

- out of the 8 i bought, only 6 are working ... the rest were DOA out of the box
DJ GaFFle 12:40 AM - 25 April, 2012
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JBL VRX update...

The good...

- they sound amazing!

The bad...

- out of the 8 i bought, only 6 are working ... the rest were DOA out of the box

That's just bad quality control. Come on JBL...
vjmarcus 12:56 AM - 25 April, 2012
yup...and i took the last 8 units in Canada ... now awaiting replacements
pdidy 6:47 AM - 25 April, 2012
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yup...and i took the last 8 units in Canada ... now awaiting replacements

so which vrx did you buy, and mite i say im quite jealous...lol
pdidy 6:56 AM - 25 April, 2012
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JBL VRX update...

The good...

- they sound amazing!

i no,,,,no surprise there.....:)
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The bad...

- out of the 8 i bought, only 6 are working ... the rest were DOA out of the box

now this surprises me, very unusual for jbl vrx.

so what are you using them for that you need 8 ?
pdidy 6:58 AM - 25 April, 2012
oh yea, pics please,,,,an what tops are you using ?
DJ DisGrace 1:23 PM - 25 April, 2012
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JBL VRX update...

The good...

- they sound amazing!

The bad...

- out of the 8 i bought, only 6 are working ... the rest were DOA out of the box

consumerist.com

Sounds like Soundcraft Canada should be throwing in some extras for you! Try to get a couple free K&M stands for the VRX
ancientyouth 7:20 PM - 27 April, 2012
Holy shit just found out my homie just got 18 - VPS7118, and 6 Vp725's.......cant wait to see pics......northern cali is off the hook right now 2 Void Stasys systems, now this......haha were bout to have some serious sound clashes poppin off!!!
pdidy 8:10 PM - 27 April, 2012
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VPS7118, and 6 Vp725's

Whats That ?
pdidy 8:15 PM - 27 April, 2012
do you mean jbl VPSB7118DP & VP7215/64DP
DJ GaFFle 8:35 PM - 27 April, 2012
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do you mean jbl VP$$$ & VP$$$DP

Fixed. THose VP suckers are pricey!
pdidy 8:56 PM - 27 April, 2012
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do you mean jbl VP$$$ & VP$$$DP

Fixed. THose VP suckers are pricey!

you aint lyin.....the prices are freakin crazy !
ancientyouth 11:32 PM - 27 April, 2012
^^^sorry didnt go look up part numbers.....yes those.lol
milehighman 6:30 PM - 30 April, 2012
Just wanted to say that I have really enjoyed reading this forum back to June last year. Thanks for all the info!!! I just presently DJ for fun at house parties etc. Im almost ashamed to admit but all I have presently are a pair of Yamaha msr 400s. I wanted to get the matching subs for them (msr 800) but every review have read says that they are crap. Any suggestions?
partyrockers 8:15 PM - 7 May, 2012
VRX pics coming soon....just need to upload them from my iphone.

Question....

Would a JBL PRX615M speaker keep up with a VRX918SP sub?

My main shows use 2 x SRX715 tops with 2 or 4 x VRX918SP subs, but I have a few extra shows and not enough SRX715 at the moment.

2 x 615M
2 x VRX918SP

?????
djdisbjohn 8:24 PM - 7 May, 2012
Yes the 615s can keep up with a 918. that's what I currently have.
partyrockers 8:27 PM - 7 May, 2012
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Yes the 615s can keep up with a 918. that's what I currently have.


Do you use and Driverack with them ... how do you set them up?

If they sound good, I may just get a couple pairs of these.

Do you pole-mount them?
djdisbjohn 8:45 PM - 7 May, 2012
Currently no other processing. I'm going from the vrx sub and into the prx top. I sometimes sub pole mount them and other times I use regular tripod for tops and cluster the subs. The vrx highpass is set to 80hz. I do think it would sound better with a driverack unit.
partyrockers 8:56 PM - 7 May, 2012
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Currently no other processing. I'm going from the vrx sub and into the prx top. I sometimes sub pole mount them and other times I use regular tripod for tops and cluster the subs. The vrx highpass is set to 80hz. I do think it would sound better with a driverack unit.


How many people can this system handle?

Do you have both the subs and tops volume set to max and use the volume from your mixer?
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Currently no other processing. I'm going from the vrx sub and into the prx top. I sometimes sub pole mount them and other times I use regular tripod for tops and cluster the subs. The vrx highpass is set to 80hz. I do think it would sound better with a driverack unit.


How many people can this system handle?

Do you have both the subs and tops volume set to max and use the volume from your mixer?


It depends on what type of crowd you're playing for. For a wedding, 2 tops and 2 subs could handle 4-500 people. If it was a school event maybe 2-300.

I set the subs to 3 o'clock and the tops are normally at 1-2.

I'm really considering the EV ZXA5's from all the reviews here and DJF and looking to get them by summer time.
pdidy 5:14 AM - 8 May, 2012
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I'm really considering the EV ZXA5's from all the reviews here and DJF and looking to get them by summer time.

i own the EV ZXA5's also and you would need at least 4 jbl vrx918sp to keep up with 2 EV ZXA5's at full volume. So if you dont intend on using more subs, you will likely never see the full potential of the ZXA5's but you will have a hole lot of headroom which is a good thing....:)
Dj Ace 8:18 PM - 8 May, 2012
EV ZAX tops vs srx 715. How do these compare?
DJ GaFFle 12:46 PM - 9 May, 2012
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EV ZAX tops vs srx 715. How do these compare?

I compared the passive ZX5's to the passive SRX715's and felt the SRX's sounded more muted at low to mid volume levels, kind of like they had a blanket over the horn section. The EV's got louder on the same amp power and same level gain. This is most likely due to the EV's being a more efficient speaker and the fact that the SRX's require a lot of amp power to get them going. At the loudest of volume levels, the SRX715's shined more and held together better. This was probably due to the larger compression driver and wood enclosure.

EV's answer to the SRX715 is the QRX 115/75. That's an apples-to-apples comparison, not the ZXa5's. I'd personally choose the EV solution.
DJ GaFFle 12:52 PM - 9 May, 2012
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EV ZAX tops vs srx 715. How do these compare?

I would guestimate the active ZXa5's would be about as loud as the SRX715's but it depends on the amp you chose for the SRX's and how you process it. For a long term, loud volume solution, I'd go passive over active. The sound comparison of the active vs. passive you inquired about would probably be the same as what I noticed in my passive/passive comparison.
Dj Ace 7:45 PM - 10 May, 2012
I run my srx tops with a crown itech and they sound awesome at ALL volumes...just looking for a high performance 12-15 inch powerered speaker in the range of quality and performance if it exist
pdidy 9:18 PM - 10 May, 2012
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I run my srx tops with a crown itech and they sound awesome at ALL volumes...just looking for a high performance 12-15 inch powerered speaker in the range of quality and performance if it exist

whats your budget ?
VRX932LAP 12" www.musiciansfriend.com or EV-zxa5 15"
Joee 9:34 PM - 10 May, 2012
+1 on the ev zxa5, it's a great box
Free Man 1:45 PM - 11 May, 2012
Compare the jbl vrx to zxa5's i dont think anyond has done that yet. Fro
Guessing i would say someone would want 2 vrx's on each side... but i am curious more on the sound of them.
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I run my srx tops with a crown itech and they sound awesome at ALL volumes...just looking for a high performance 12-15 inch powerered speaker in the range of quality and performance if it exist

whats your budget ?
VRX932LAP 12" www.musiciansfriend.com or EV-zxa5 15"


Budget is no problem just want some "powered" cabs that sound similar...and can be used without subs and get great results
Dj Ace 4:51 PM - 11 May, 2012
Looked at the line arrays and those definitely need a sub woofer...so maybe the EV zax's
pdidy 5:05 PM - 11 May, 2012
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I run my srx tops with a crown itech and they sound awesome at ALL volumes...just looking for a high performance 12-15 inch powerered speaker in the range of quality and performance if it exist

whats your budget ?
VRX932LAP 12" www.musiciansfriend.com or EV-zxa5 15"


Budget is no problem just want some "powered" cabs that sound similar...and can be used without subs and get great results

In that case , the ev-zxa5 is the clear winner. They are excellent without subs.
Joee 5:21 PM - 11 May, 2012
^^^^+1,000,000
Dj Ace 7:19 PM - 11 May, 2012
Thanks for the info...ordering today
monchi 1:56 AM - 17 May, 2012
pdidy,
How far in feet, can you feel the bass of (2) LS801p in an outdoor enviroment?
Trying to see where I can go and hear some of these speakers in the L.A/Orange county area.
(2) zxa5 + (2) LS801p=good enough for a moble set-up?
It will be for my12 year old, as his b-day gift. He has showed me that he is interested and I want to really surprise him.
Thanks pdidy or anyone else with input.
pdidy 3:24 AM - 17 May, 2012
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pdidy,
How far in feet, can you feel the bass of (2) LS801p in an outdoor enviroment?
Trying to see where I can go and hear some of these speakers in the L.A/Orange county area.
(2) zxa5 + (2) LS801p=good enough for a moble set-up?
It will be for my12 year old, as his b-day gift. He has showed me that he is interested and I want to really surprise him.
Thanks pdidy or anyone else with input.

There is no exact answer to this question because every room or venue varies in its acoustics. Speaker placement also has a major role in the sound quality of the subs. That being said, I have used this setup in rooms that hold up to 400 were the bass could be felt everywhere. Btw 2 evzxa5 can keep up with 4 LS801p if you play BASS HEAVY like me.

Keep in mind the hole concept of Loudness or feel of bass can vary greatly from person to person. So your mileage may vary if you no what I mean...
DJ GaFFle 9:18 AM - 17 May, 2012
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pdidy,
How far in feet, can you feel the bass of (2) LS801p in an outdoor enviroment?
Trying to see where I can go and hear some of these speakers in the L.A/Orange county area.
(2) zxa5 + (2) LS801p=good enough for a moble set-up?
It will be for my12 year old, as his b-day gift. He has showed me that he is interested and I want to really surprise him.
Thanks pdidy or anyone else with input.

There is no exact answer to this question because every room or venue varies in its acoustics. Speaker placement also has a major role in the sound quality of the subs. That being said, I have used this setup in rooms that hold up to 400 were the bass could be felt everywhere. Btw 2 evzxa5 can keep up with 4 LS801p if you play BASS HEAVY like me.

Keep in mind the hole concept of Loudness or feel of bass can vary greatly from person to person. So your mileage may vary if you no what I mean...

I recall a Hispano festival at Centennial Olympic Park here in Atlanta where a Hispanic DJ had 2 LS800P's and a pair of Mackie SRM450's. His sound had to compete with concert setup in the same park. I remember hearing his booming sound hundreds of feet away and this was even while the concert was going on. There were a couple of other latin DJ's there and you could really hear their systems unless you were close to their tents.
monchi 6:57 PM - 17 May, 2012
pdidy thanks for the 2x4 advise.Dj gaffle exactly what I was hoping to hear.
Now gotta hunt for a place in LA/OC that carries them.Still want to actually hear them proir to purchasing.
Thanks again for taking time to answer my ?s.
Free Man 5:02 AM - 18 May, 2012
Those EV's are getting kind of dated arent they? Think a new model may be in the works?
DJ GaFFle 11:25 AM - 18 May, 2012
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Those EV's are getting kind of dated arent they? Think a new model may be in the works?

Which EV's... the ZXa5's?

The only thing I'd want in a new ZXa5 design would be a limit light and a 2nd handle. No updated lighter-weight, cheaper-to-manufacture but higher-for-profit margin amps or drivers either. The look is great and the quality is top notch. Made in USA is a must too.
Joee 11:33 AM - 18 May, 2012
^^^^+1
pdidy 12:09 PM - 18 May, 2012
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The only thing I'd want in a new ZXa5 design would be a limit light

this is all i would like...

EV made a mistake when they designed the zxa5.....They made it too good. So good that it was years ahead of its time and till today, its still a top competitor and cant be beat by any speaker in its class.
The ev zxa5 exceeds my basic mobile dj requirements therefore making any EV update unnecessary.
But lets be honest....I would still want it but i definitely dont NEED it at all.
Joee 12:18 PM - 18 May, 2012
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^^^^+1

i take this statement back......i would LOVE a update, i would love to see a ZAX5 Sub

COME..ON.....ev make it happen "zxa5 sub"
Joee 12:20 PM - 18 May, 2012
^^^^makes me wonder how a zxa5 would sound if i run it with a crossover for lows.....i crossed over a sx300 for a sub it sounded crazy!
pdidy 12:29 PM - 18 May, 2012
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^^^^makes me wonder how a zxa5 would sound if i run it with a crossover for lows.....i crossed over a sx300 for a sub it sounded crazy!

Ive done it a few time when i was being lazy an didnt want to carry a sub. it sounds like a real sub but of course it cant keep up.
Joee 12:34 PM - 18 May, 2012
^^^ comparing when you crossed over the zxa5 for a sub.....to the vrx918sp......could i have saved my self some money by buying two more zxa5's, or did the vrx out preform it?
pdidy 12:38 PM - 18 May, 2012
its not even close to a vrx.....u did the right thing....lol
Joee 12:39 PM - 18 May, 2012
lol........man you don't know how bad i want i lighter sub......the vrx seems to get heavy at the end of the night.........lol
Free Man 1:32 PM - 18 May, 2012
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lol........man you don't know how bad i want i lighter sub......the vrx seems to get heavy at the end of the night.........lol


at the end of the night, all of my gear feels like it had gained weight...
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:26 PM - 18 May, 2012
^^ lol i was just going to say that. All gear feels heavy at the end of the night.
djaction 6:20 PM - 14 June, 2012
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@ Vip in brooklyn on rockaway ave, new an Carpet.


rebumping an old thread but Diddy do you still recommend VIP in Brooklyn??
pdidy 6:33 PM - 14 June, 2012
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@ Vip in brooklyn on rockaway ave, new an Carpet.


rebumping an old thread but Diddy do you still recommend VIP in Brooklyn??

yes sir
pdidy 6:35 PM - 14 June, 2012
but you need to no how to haggle or like any biz they will be more than happy to rob you....lol
Joee 6:35 PM - 14 June, 2012
don't forget to check out PAS also in brooklyn
djaction 6:35 PM - 14 June, 2012
awesome thanks. finally jumping on the LS801P+ZXA5 bandwagon :D

a little concerned that the 801's only going down to 45hz but we shall see
djaction 6:36 PM - 14 June, 2012
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don't forget to check out PAS also in brooklyn


link?
djaction 6:37 PM - 14 June, 2012
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but you need to no how to haggle or like any biz they will be more than happy to rob you....lol


well according to this thread with some haggling i should be able to get one out the door for $1100 right? wondering how low i can get them on the 801PB
Joee 6:37 PM - 14 June, 2012
^ you will be VERY happy with that combo
Joee 6:38 PM - 14 June, 2012
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don't forget to check out PAS also in brooklyn


link?

www.proaudiostar.com
djaction 6:39 PM - 14 June, 2012
ah yeah DUR PAS = pro audio star.. already checked with them and they dont carry this stuff in store. said they have to order from yorkville
Joee 6:39 PM - 14 June, 2012
you can get the zxa5 for less than $1,400 shipped
djaction 8:33 PM - 14 June, 2012
thanks! also semi-related

I have a PRX718s that i'm probably going to get rid of because they are discontinued and don't make em anymore.. however I know the PRX618s-XLF replaced it as the new model. Would combining a 618 w/a 718 sound bad? might the different DSP's cause cancellation issues?
djaction 8:41 PM - 14 June, 2012
also anyone ever do a comparison between the TURBOSOUND Milan M15 and the EV ZXA5?
DJ GaFFle 12:39 AM - 15 June, 2012
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also anyone ever do a comparison between the TURBOSOUND Milan M15 and the EV ZXA5?

Turbosound makes some good stuff but that 1" high compression driver seems pretty minuscule.
pdidy 2:02 AM - 15 June, 2012
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thanks! also semi-related

I have a PRX718s that i'm probably going to get rid of because they are discontinued and don't make em anymore.. however I know the PRX618s-XLF replaced it as the new model. Would combining a 618 w/a 718 sound bad? might the different DSP's cause cancellation issues?

Missing different models of subs has always been frowned upon in the pro sound community. At times it may increase spl but cause frequency cancellation at certain frequencies. So it may work but its definitely NOT advisable.
djaction 11:26 PM - 15 June, 2012
wow the LS801 is LOUD as all hell. great purchase!
pdidy 12:10 AM - 16 June, 2012
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wow the LS801 is LOUD as all hell. great purchase!

Thats what everybody says when they first hear one.....did you buy 1 or 2.

So give us your first impressions, likes or dislikes.....good or bad.
djaction 12:12 AM - 16 June, 2012
haven't used it out yet (other than a sound check) will be rocking 1 tonight.. going to pickup a 2nd in a week or so!
pdidy 12:24 AM - 16 June, 2012
just realised you're from nyc, how much you paid ?
DJ GaFFle 1:47 PM - 16 June, 2012
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haven't used it out yet (other than a sound check) will be rocking 1 tonight.. going to pickup a 2nd in a week or so!

Congrats Action! Those subs bang and boOM! The more you add, the larger the crowds you can handle.
djaction 3:24 PM - 20 June, 2012
$1350 for the PB .. couldn't find anyone with the carpetted one in stock.

This sub IS worth every penny. Used it Saturday night and parts of the bar ceiling were being rattled loose! The throw on this sub is just insane. And the bass just hits you HARD.

Right now I'm still using only 2 K12's and this single sub absolutely outpowers them. Next purchase will be two ZXA5's and then another LS801p.

Question.. if my tops have a 100hz SUB Mode filter where is the knob settings on the sub for 100hz rolloff? The roll off knob starts at 90hz and full gain is 150hz.. is 12 o clock 100? Thanks!
djaction 3:25 PM - 20 June, 2012
oh and are any of you guys running a driverack PA w/ these?
DJ GaFFle 6:44 PM - 20 June, 2012
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$1350 for the PB .. couldn't find anyone with the carpetted one in stock.

This sub IS worth every penny. Used it Saturday night and parts of the bar ceiling were being rattled loose! The throw on this sub is just insane. And the bass just hits you HARD.

Right now I'm still using only 2 K12's and this single sub absolutely outpowers them. Next purchase will be two ZXA5's and then another LS801p.

Question.. if my tops have a 100hz SUB Mode filter where is the knob settings on the sub for 100hz rolloff? The roll off knob starts at 90hz and full gain is 150hz.. is 12 o clock 100? Thanks!

It shouldn't matter as you shouldn't 'roll off' right at 100Hz if your tops 'roll off' there as well. You will have some strong overlap around the 100Hz range between the tops and the sub, so I'd suggest engaging the 100Hz filter on your tops and 90Hz on the sub. The overlap will be less and therefore, less muddiness in your sound in that bandpass range.

It is all dependent on the roll off slopes of your tops and the slope of your subs.
djaction 6:45 PM - 20 June, 2012
ah thanks for the advice! never though about it that way.. my tops right now are the K12's and they have the 100hz cut off. I believe the ZXA5's i'll be picking up are at 100 as well.
Johnnynights 6:58 PM - 20 June, 2012
I heard one yorkville ls801p today i fell in love with it right away.

I would like to hear those ev zxa5 as they say they are that loud and clear.
pdidy 8:03 PM - 20 June, 2012
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I heard one yorkville ls801p today i fell in love with it right away.

I would like to hear those ev zxa5 as they say they are that loud and clear.

There are very few speaker I would every advise anyone to to buy without listening to first......that being said, I'm confident the ev zxa5 tops my very small list.
djaction 8:15 PM - 20 June, 2012
Out of curiosity Pdiddy how do you have your ZXA5 + LS801p High Frequency roll off set?
Johnnynights 1:12 AM - 21 June, 2012
@pdidi im sure these zxa5 got a lot of power right?

Cuz they are expensive but shouldnt be a problem after.

Would these be a upgrade compared to the k12s cuz i own some?
djdisbjohn 2:43 AM - 21 June, 2012
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@pdidi im sure these zxa5 got a lot of power right?

Cuz they are expensive but shouldnt be a problem after.

Would these be a upgrade compared to the k12s cuz i own some?


definitely an upgrade over K12's
pdidy 5:08 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Out of curiosity Pdiddy how do you have your ZXA5 + LS801p High Frequency roll off set?

The zxa5 is set to high frequency and the sub is set to 90hz then I go up in frequently by ear if the room requires it.
pdidy 5:11 PM - 21 June, 2012
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@pdidi im sure these zxa5 got a lot of power right?

Cuz they are expensive but shouldnt be a problem after.

Would these be a upgrade compared to the k12s cuz i own some?


definitely an upgrade over K12's

One Ev zxa5 is equal to 2 k12s. Yes they get that loud.
pdidy 5:24 PM - 21 June, 2012
btw I own a pair of k12s.... i26.photobucket.com
djaction 5:40 PM - 21 June, 2012
i can tell you my pair of k12's right now STRUGGLES to keep up with the ls801p
pdidy 5:51 PM - 21 June, 2012
I just picked up another jbl VRX918sp sub....
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Joee 5:53 PM - 21 June, 2012
NICE,now all you need is two more for the other ev.......lol, are those casters the ones jbl sells or are they another brand
pdidy 6:02 PM - 21 June, 2012
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NICE,now all you need is two more for the other ev.......lol, are those casters the ones jbl sells or are they another brand

yea I do want 4 now.......the casters are from home depot but great quality at a lower price.
asthmatic 8:50 PM - 21 June, 2012
LOL i only have one jbl and i thought it was broken until i realized the EV's were too strong.
Johnnynights 2:25 AM - 22 June, 2012
i would like to hear these ev zxa5 in person but cant find these,only on the internet.
SELECT 7:05 PM - 22 June, 2012
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I just picked up another jbl VRX918sp sub....
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So jealous, dope.
tehBEN 7:44 PM - 22 June, 2012
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I just picked up another jbl VRX918sp sub....
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noice
Free Man 7:04 PM - 23 June, 2012
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I just picked up another jbl VRX918sp sub....
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Is storage so full that you have to pile them up in the middle of the kitchen now?

I bed the kitchen table and couch will soon be replaced with speakers =)
Free Man 7:05 PM - 23 June, 2012
i bet... ^^^
ancientyouth 5:00 AM - 25 June, 2012
Pdidy u mention the yorkville beats the vrx in overall volume........ by how much? If the yorkville is an 8 in output what is the vrx918?
pdidy 9:52 PM - 25 June, 2012
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Pdidy u mention the yorkville beats the vrx in overall volume........ by how much? If the yorkville is an 8 in output what is the vrx918?

i would say the yorkville is about 3db higher than the jbl. So the difference is noticeable when pushed to high volume.
ancientyouth 3:50 AM - 26 June, 2012
Ok.... Im willing to take 3db for the portability....
pdidy 5:09 AM - 26 June, 2012
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LOL i only have one jbl and i thought it was broken until i realized the EV's were too strong.

Im quite sure there's no such thing as 1 small sub that can keep up with 2 ev's.....lol
So...yea it takes at least 2 jbl's to keep up with 1 ev zxa5.
pdidy 5:11 AM - 26 June, 2012
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Ok.... Im willing to take 3db for the portability....

so are you considering the yorkville ?
Joee 11:39 AM - 26 June, 2012
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LOL i only have one jbl and i thought it was broken until i realized the EV's were too strong.

Im quite sure there's no such thing as 1 small sub that can keep up with 2 ev's.....lol
So...yea it takes at least 2 jbl's to keep up with 1 ev zxa5.

i thought the same thing..lol, especially since they banged it up in shipping--> img18.imageshack.us
ancientyouth 2:16 PM - 26 June, 2012
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Ok.... Im willing to take 3db for the portability....

so are you considering the yorkville ?


No....The vrx......i just used a friends vrx's last weekend and wanted to guage the yorkvilles based on that..... Honestly never heard them in person....... Ive been looking for a good small system to double as monitors for my large setup.... Prob gonna get a VOid air motion/ stasys x combo, literally 2 tops and 2 subs ( dual 18) will handle 1000 people
DJ GaFFle 2:37 PM - 26 June, 2012
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Pdidy u mention the yorkville beats the vrx in overall volume........ by how much? If the yorkville is an 8 in output what is the vrx918?

i would say the yorkville is about 3db higher than the jbl. So the difference is noticeable when pushed to high volume.

Are you basing this on specs or the fact you own both and compare them all the time? I've never heard the VRX918. Would you say the VRX has the same impact from bass 'throw' perspective as compare to the LS801P?

From my experience, the LS801P's seem to really project the bass at a distance (depending on room and ESPECIALLY outside) compared to any comparable and conventional bass-reflex designed speaker like the VRX.

Acientyouth is saying he'd take the smaller and more portable VRX because he believes it's only 3dB lower in output but I'm guestimating the difference is far more noticeable. That Yorkie enclosure is pretty big and all that size would seem to account for more than 3dB.
Dj Shamann 6:43 PM - 27 June, 2012
I've been using an LS801P for about a month now at a spot where i rent and leave it there. The throw is decent but I find it "farts" (as my friend puts it) a lot when it comes to some Reggae and other odd chunes.

My problem with Yorkville subs with other models has always been that it's a bass you can hear but not really feel, once you give it a bit of a level it's too woofy, like a distorted bass, the LS801P is an improvement but it still has it's limits (like all speakers, however I don't push speakers very much so I'm surprised at the limits this had at my volumes)

You'd definitely need two of these things if you regularily play bassy music, the price point makes this easier but the weight on two vs. the weight on two VRX just doesn't make sense unless you've got a hefty vehicle.
Dj Shamann 6:44 PM - 27 June, 2012
Again, I'm always the guy owners/sound guys always tell to "turn it up" vs "you're in the red you fucking idiot" so I'm not clipping them and wondering why they sound shitty.
pdidy 11:30 PM - 27 June, 2012
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Again, I'm always the guy owners/sound guys always tell to "turn it up" vs "you're in the red you fucking idiot" so I'm not clipping them and wondering why they sound shitty.

To anymore that does not like the Yorkville sound I would advise them to immediately switch to a more expensive solution. This will likely be a minimum of $2000 to achieve the same spl or volume.
Dj Shamann 11:50 PM - 27 June, 2012
It's a rental, was trying it out to see if it's something I'd like to own. Factoring in size and the need for two, the VRX looks like a better option (for me).
pdidy 4:39 PM - 28 June, 2012
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It's a rental, was trying it out to see if it's something I'd like to own. Factoring in size and the need for two, the VRX looks like a better option (for me).

You will need 3 vrx to equal the output of 2 Yorkvilles at a cost of $4500 vs $2000. You may also want to test a new ls801p before spending the extra cash, the one your using may be broken or modified with cheap unauthorized parts.
pdidy 6:44 PM - 28 June, 2012
Im very curious btw because ive never heard anyone describe their sound in such a way but let us no what your finding are good or bad when you test a new yorkville.
Dj Shamann 6:53 PM - 28 June, 2012
It's not modified, I rent them directly from the makers of Yorkville at their main store in their home city. As far as I knew the vrx's were 1500 watts a piece (the same as the Yorkvilles although I could be wrong)

Thing with me is it doesn't matter to me if the Yorkvilles go "louder" if I don't like the sound, the one itself is loud but as soon as I give it a little volume on a Reggae set it doesn't sound good to me, so I played it at 12 on the sub and maybe 3 or 4 (on my 57 booth) just to sound decent, in other words I would probably use two coupled to sound proper... 270lbs later.

I'm going to try and take a set of the VRX's out for spin first, I've heard them and I like them (I generally like the JBL sound) but I haven't spent time with them, only minus is it costs me only $73 to rent the LS801p for a month vs. probably the same for a day with the VRX.
djaction 6:59 PM - 28 June, 2012
@shamann have you tried EQ'ing the ls801p's at all? i've heard one other complain on another board (i think) about the 801p's being too boomy/sound issue near the 80hz range and the guy said he fixed it with a small EQ adjustment
Dj Shamann 7:02 PM - 28 June, 2012
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Im very curious btw because ive never heard anyone describe their sound in such a way


It's just a preference thing, I don't hate the Yorkvilles, I'm just looking for better options for my own personal reasons.

I was talking with a friend the other day about how it annoys me that I can't get anything other than Yorkvilles from one of my long time stores because Yorkville doesn't want the competition in there, which was silly to me because I think they should be able to speak for themselves and I know they do, I know some long time sound lovers who swear by them, I've just never been blown away by them (although I think their studio monitors are much better than KRK's, contrary to popular opinion)
Dj Shamann 7:05 PM - 28 June, 2012
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@shamann have you tried EQ'ing the ls801p's at all? i've heard one other complain on another board (i think) about the 801p's being too boomy/sound issue near the 80hz range and the guy said he fixed it with a small EQ adjustment



Yeah I have 2 more weeks on it, and that was my earlier thought, I tried rolling off the freqs a bit at different settings but I with little time to play around. I want to get in there early next time and see if I can find the sweet spot.
DJRemixEnt 7:05 PM - 28 June, 2012
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I just picked up another jbl VRX918sp sub....
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nice... im jealous...lol
Dj Shamann 7:12 PM - 28 June, 2012
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about the 801p's being too boomy/sound issue near the 80hz range and the guy said he fixed it with a small EQ adjustment



I wish I could spike the frequencies like they do with stage mics, but I'm not walking with anything more than my 57 direct to the speaks.
djaction 2:46 PM - 29 June, 2012
@ everyone with ZXA5 experience.. which would be louder/sound better

I have a semi-narrow (think maybe 25-30ft wide) room that is maybe like ~60+ ft long..

I can setup either 2 ZXA5's on one end firing down the long part of the room OR I can run 4 QSC K12's along the wall spread evenly firing across the room ..

any input on which would be better ?
Free Man 3:21 PM - 29 June, 2012
I'd point out with the EV's you can order them with i think 60 or 90 degree horns to assist with the distribution. With a room that size i cant think of any speakers that would require 4. I doubt even some srm450's would over heat (sarcasm)
djaction 3:24 PM - 29 June, 2012
well I can tell you two K12's are not cutting it for the high's the size of the room is probably bigger than the numbers I said
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:34 PM - 29 June, 2012
maybe you need a sub instead of adding an additional 2 K12s
djaction 3:36 PM - 29 June, 2012
Right now I have 1 LS801P and the K12's can barely keep up with it.. gime a sec I'm gonna post some diagrams of potential layouts im thinking of
djaction 3:41 PM - 29 June, 2012
EV layout #1 (the current setup is similar except i'm using 2 qsc's on top of only 1 801p, the volume is nowhere near loud enough for the amount of people)

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Add 2 more QSC and spread them:

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EV Layout #2 (Spread 2)

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pdidy 3:45 PM - 29 June, 2012
Ive had the opportunity to run 4 k12s vs 2 ev zxa5s in a venue about that size were i do sound for a few of my dj partners.

the 4 k12s provided excellent surround sound coverage to the venue at low to medium volume but i ran into a problem because the dj plays very loud and was constantly clipping the k12s all nite when the party hit its peak. So i had to baby sit his volume all nite which was not fun. The next event I decided to try the zxa5s because of the volume issues. The ev was louder, cleaner and i didn't need to babysit the volumes.
djaction 3:45 PM - 29 June, 2012
bear in mind i keep hearing the EV's are as LOUD as it gets so im thinking 2 are going to be enough, however i can buy 2 more QSC's for the price of 1 EV
pdidy 3:54 PM - 29 June, 2012
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bear in mind i keep hearing the EV's are as LOUD as it gets so im thinking 2 are going to be enough, however i can buy 2 more QSC's for the price of 1 EV

sure the EV would sound better but if i were in your position id keep it simple an go qsc
djaction 4:00 PM - 29 June, 2012
thanks again for all the help/tips!
pdidy 4:26 PM - 29 June, 2012
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Pdidy u mention the yorkville beats the vrx in overall volume........ by how much? If the yorkville is an 8 in output what is the vrx918?

i would say the yorkville is about 3db higher than the jbl. So the difference is noticeable when pushed to high volume.

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Are you basing this on specs or the fact you own both and compare them all the time?

yes so its basically a guestimation.
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Would you say the VRX has the same impact from bass 'throw' perspective as compare to the LS801P?
the ls801p has better throw likely due to its cabinet design.
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From my experience, the LS801P's seem to really project the bass at a distance (depending on room and ESPECIALLY outside) compared to any comparable and conventional bass-reflex designed speaker like the VRX.
i agree 100%
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Acientyouth is saying he'd take the smaller and more portable VRX because he believes it's only 3dB lower in output but I'm guestimating the difference is far more noticeable. That Yorkie enclosure is pretty big and all that size would seem to account for more than 3dB.

Well I no it at least 3db but less than 6db now that i have the 2nd vrx to compare it too. Some day I will actually measure them.....lol
Free Man 6:33 PM - 29 June, 2012
what are you going to run as a monitor? For dance purposes i'd go with #1, back ground i'd go with #3 The RV's are less work too. less to move around, less wires, and sounds like it meets your needs the best. the only advantage of #2 is if you are doing back ground at a lower volume so no one gets blasted.
Deejaymavi 5:20 AM - 4 July, 2012
Hey Guys I needed some help...I just order my Yorkville ls801s ...I should be able to use um on my gig this sat..I use qsc k153 for the tops and sometimes I add K-12s if I have larger crowd....I use to use passive JBL subs...since I'm all power now is that a good idea to run them from my main mixer and link each other or should I buy a second mixer or some other device ..I think someone even posted a link too.
DJ GaFFle 9:27 AM - 4 July, 2012
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Hey Guys I needed some help...I just order my Yorkville ls801s ...I
should be able to use um on my gig this sat..I use qsc k153 for the tops and sometimes I add K-12s if I have larger crowd....I use to use passive JBL subs...since I'm all power now is that a good idea to run them from my main mixer and link each other or should I buy a second mixer or some other device ..I think someone even posted a link too.


You can connect your Yorkies to the output of your KW153 and then engage your KW's 'ext. sub' button.

Depending on your mixer, you could also have your main outputs connected the KW's and your AUX outs connected to to the York subs. This would allow you better control of your sub volume levels. Make sure your AUX or booth out is 1/4 inch or XLR type going to the subs, NOT those RCA's.

Set your York's contour to no more than about 90-95Hz and you're good.
Deejaymavi 5:49 PM - 4 July, 2012
Thanks That was helpful.
audiodepot101 6:30 PM - 5 July, 2012
I enjoyed reading all of this, I am returning back to Djing as a hobby, its been since the late 80's lol once a Dj always a Dj. any way I have been looking for a sub. Thanks for all the info. I have listened to a lot of tops, and I prefer passive only because I can control the amp selection. I went with the older Mackie S408's with a clean amp for SQ and a nice sub, they sound almost better then my car unit DRZ9255 and Morel Supremo's. But I am hearing a lot about the EV's for tops. I will be doing small dance hall type stuff , maybe some wedding stuff. I think that I will go with two LS801P center cluster for the dance hall stuff and one Jbl vrx918sp for the backyard parties and pool parties? I just started this June and have been booked thru September, some back to back weekends, its fun.
pdidy 1:24 AM - 6 July, 2012
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I think that I will go with two LS801P center cluster for the dance hall stuff and one Jbl vrx918sp for the backyard parties and pool parties?

That should work perfectly....
I use 1 VRX918sp for weddings up to 200 people, baby showers, backyard/pool parties and regular gigs 125 people and UNDER. Any gig in a venue that holds 125 people or more and requires loud bass, I prefer the harder hitting yorkville ls801p.
audiodepot101 2:31 PM - 6 July, 2012
P let me ask you a question, I know that you dont do much passive stuff, The reason that I like passive for tops because I can hand pick my own amps for SQ, I see that most of the Dj amps like QSC and Crown, the spec's are more about power rather then SQ. For home functions I use two Adcom GFA 555II mono one to each top about 650-700watts for the tops which is great for small functions, the sound is crazy clear and crisp. But for bigger events I need an amp that gives me head room and to be crystal clear at the same time. Most powered speakers you dont know what kind of power that you are getting, some over heat and cut off, and some have just by listening to them a high THD level. Subs do not mater much, you can get away with a powered sub because its a non directional sound. and there are no harmonics at that wavelength. So my question is what amp would you get for the best SQ @ 1000watts?
pdidy 3:47 PM - 6 July, 2012
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So my question is what amp would you get for the best SQ @ 1000watts?

lab gruppen plm 10000q
Powersoft k6
Crown Audio I-T5000HD
QSC PL380
If cost were no issue i'd get the lab gruppen, but since im not rich i'd likely get the Crown I-T5000HD or QSC PL380.
audiodepot101 3:49 PM - 6 July, 2012
Thanks I will look into to them.
audiodepot101 3:52 PM - 6 July, 2012
lab gruppen plm 10000q is a no go lol over kill, the drunk ppl will not appreciate it lol
pdidy 3:57 PM - 6 July, 2012
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lab gruppen plm 10000q is a no go lol over kill, the drunk ppl will not appreciate it lol

its 1300w@ 8ohms
audiodepot101 4:01 PM - 6 July, 2012
I like the QSC PL380 but 1500watts @ 8ohm is a little to much. the tops are 650watts I would like to see a amp with about a little less then double their rated RMS. P I love SQ but $8000 for a amp is cool if my gigs were $1500 to $3000 a pop. Then by all means I would buy that amp. I might just go with the QSC, what about yorkville amps?
audiodepot101 4:02 PM - 6 July, 2012
There is not a whole lot to choose from as far as DJ amps. You have about five main players huh
audiodepot101 4:08 PM - 6 July, 2012
Thanks P for the input I am going to buy the QSC PL380 just in case I run higher power tops at some point.
pdidy 4:13 PM - 6 July, 2012
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P I love SQ but $8000 for a amp is cool if my gigs were $1500 to $3000 a pop.

thats why im not buying it...lol
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what about yorkville amps?

they are not in the same class
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Thanks P for the input I am going to buy the QSC PL380 just in case I run higher power tops at some point.

just be sure to use a limiter/compressor, plus it works well on sub duty if you go passive.
DUTTY DRU 3:50 AM - 8 July, 2012
fellas.....i'm using 2x ls801p with 2x nx750p........ love them!

question.........i've been to 2 weddings recently and heard the ls801p kick ass, i'm having some issues with mine, my bass isnt anything close to what i heard at the pass 2 weddings i attended. i approched the dj and asked him what was different, he said it was the driverack settings. i also use a driverack px but i dont think i set it up right. any help or suggestions?

also, i'm very with my nx750p, what do you guys think of them besides being heavy???
DJ Tracktion 6:36 AM - 8 July, 2012
Hey didy...Is the Jbl vrx918sp worth the extra money over the prx618-xlf?! Is the sound difference/quality/pow noticeable?!

I'm never gonna fly the vrx but I kinda hate the shape of the xlf but for the quotes i've gotten so far ($1700 for the vrx and about 1100 for the xlf) for about $500 more I could have 2 xlf's instead of one vrx. I also work with someone who owns 2 xlf's already and when we have large gigs we could def pair up and use 4 xlf's when it's called for. (and maybe just for fun on gigs it's uncalled for lol)

I really do prefer the style/shape of the vrx (similar to the qsc kw181) It would prob be easier to fit two vrx's in my whip then the xlf's with the tops but does it really make sense to pay 5-600 dollars more cause of that lol.


....as i'm sure you have figured out i've been going back and forth over this for a while now



I'd be running 2 Ev elx115p as tops with whatever subs i finally decide on.
DJ GaFFle 3:07 PM - 8 July, 2012
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Hey didy...Is the Jbl vrx918sp worth the extra money over the prx618-xlf?! Is the sound difference/quality/pow noticeable?!

I'm never gonna fly the vrx but I kinda hate the shape of the xlf but for the quotes i've gotten so far ($1700 for the vrx and about 1100 for the xlf) for about $500 more I could have 2 xlf's instead of one vrx. I also work with someone who owns 2 xlf's already and when we have large gigs we could def pair up and use 4 xlf's when it's called for. (and maybe just for fun on gigs it's uncalled for lol)
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You've got a dilemma. I'd personally roll with the VRX's but your situation seems to lean towards the XLF's as a better solution, especially considering your boy has them as well. My reason for the VRX's are simply that they seem more modular, 'pro' and rider friendly, PLUS, they go lower at 34Hz compared to the XLF at 39Hz. JBL's specs DO show that the XLF's have a greater max SPL by 7dB.

You're right about the shape of the PRX's. I don't prefer it. The new JBL STX's (SRX replacements) don't even seem to be catching fire. Perhaps this is because of their new DJ'ish looking shape that most pro audio sound guys wouldn't want.
DJ Tracktion 11:53 PM - 10 July, 2012
yeah...i don't know man...I think i will end up holding out for the vrx... Look is important to me when doing mobile gigs, I wouldn't sacrifice massive disparities in sound quality for look...but they're a lot of good sound options out there...and i do hate the xlf's look lol

yeah that STX is too aggressive looking for my liking. Even the prx 615m & 612m have an odd look. I like the sound a lot from them but that awkward line in the middle is like...why are u there? lol
djdisbjohn 3:26 PM - 11 July, 2012
I went from an XLF to VRX. It was a big difference for me. I'm happy with the upgrade. If you shop around, you can find a VRX between 1400-1500.
DJ GaFFle 5:26 PM - 11 July, 2012
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I went from an XLF to VRX. It was a big difference for me. I'm happy with the upgrade. If you shop around, you can find a VRX between 1400-1500.

Id the XLF louder but just doesnt go as low?
DJ GaFFle 5:26 PM - 11 July, 2012
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djdisbjohn 5:38 PM - 11 July, 2012
The VRX is louder and goes deeper.
pdidy 6:29 PM - 11 July, 2012
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Hey didy...Is the Jbl vrx918sp worth the extra money over the prx618-xlf?! Is the sound difference/quality/pow noticeable?!

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I really do prefer the style/shape of the vrx (similar to the qsc kw181) It would prob be easier to fit two vrx's in my whip then the xlf's with the tops but does it really make sense to pay 5-600 dollars more cause of that lol.

this is a choice only you can make but for me the answer is yes. why you may ask ?

1. The prx is powered by a lower end crown amp while the vrx is power by a high end crown amp.
2. The vrx has Higher quality DSP processing and protection.
3. Unlike the prx, the vrx has no history of over heating failures. This is likely due to its Higher quality DSP based limiters for mechanical and thermal protection and amp.
4. The vrx goes lower and louder. Better sound quality.
5. The vrx has the professional look and design. the Prx just doesn't look pro.

The vrx is approx $400 more than the prx but for me the improved quality and dependability is worth it.
DJ GaFFle 10:00 PM - 11 July, 2012
^^^ there it is...
DJ Tracktion 3:59 AM - 12 July, 2012
very on point....

and i didn't even consider this..

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1. The prx is powered by a lower end crown amp while the vrx is power by a high end crown amp.
2. The vrx has Higher quality DSP processing and protection.



I do come from the school of thought of buying right the first time...saved up and bought 1200's as my first tables...didn't have much left over for a mixer after that lol so had to use the gemini pmx-16 for a while until i got the 05pro....but i digress. Thanks for the input!

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-- ..please share (you are talking about the active one correct, cause I am)- I've bought and have been happy with proaudiostar before but they told me $1700 and agi doesn't carry them, nor does local Sam Ash, Music Trends, idjnow or Guitar Center (although they can ship to store...I don't usually see too much of a discount there, esp after tax.)
audiodepot101 10:22 PM - 16 July, 2012
P you know anything about these? Alto Black 18s
pdidy 11:13 PM - 16 July, 2012
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nope
djaction 4:25 PM - 17 July, 2012
also if anyone in NYC wants a RIDICULOUSLY good deal on an LS801PB (used for maybe 2 weeks) hit me up :D
pdidy 4:26 PM - 17 July, 2012
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also if anyone in NYC wants a RIDICULOUSLY good deal on an LS801PB (used for maybe 2 weeks) hit me up :D

why u selling ?
djaction 4:29 PM - 17 July, 2012
well this is one I bought for one of the venues and they are getting serious noise complaints lol to the point where this sub has to be out of there
Taipanic 6:20 PM - 17 July, 2012
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well this is one I bought for one of the venues and they are getting serious noise complaints lol to the point where this sub has to be out of there


/end of thread
You don't need any further discussion than that as to whether you should by the Yorkie subs ;-)
djaction 6:22 PM - 17 July, 2012
^lol
pdidy 9:20 PM - 31 July, 2012
Just picked up another JBL VRX918sp this weekend. I had a boat ride this weekend and I wanted to make a big impression with a much smaller sound system that I could move by myself compared to the other Dj who was using a Cerwin-Vega 4x tops & 4x sub system.
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DJ Dynamight 9:24 PM - 31 July, 2012
damn, 2 different systems on the same level of the boat?

is that the banner for DJ Ace?
pdidy 9:27 PM - 31 July, 2012
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damn, 2 different systems on the same level of the boat?

is that the banner for DJ Ace?

2 floors with 2 separate systems. That's Team Ace which is Dj Ace"s DJ crew. You no him ?
audiodepot101 9:30 PM - 31 July, 2012
awesome I am still trying out subs, Going to use two JBL VT4881 next week, so far the subs that was a flop for me meaning i would not buy is the Kw181, JBL PRX618 I think it was, and I am in line to tey out the db Technologies S10. No darn yorkvilles here, there is one local group that has a set but will not sell for nothing in the world.
DJ Dynamight 9:31 PM - 31 July, 2012
oh ok cool. yep, I used to play reggae sets for him back in the day.
audiodepot101 9:32 PM - 31 July, 2012
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Just picked up another JBL VRX918sp this weekend. I had a boat ride this weekend and I wanted to make a big impression with a much smaller sound system that I could move by myself compared to the other Dj who was using a Cerwin-Vega 4x tops & 4x sub system.
i26.photobucket.com (very Bad pic of the setup) 2x evzxa5s & 3x JBL VRX918sp
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Well how do it do compared?????
pdidy 9:32 PM - 31 July, 2012
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awesome I am still trying out subs, Going to use two JBL VT4881 next week, so far the subs that was a flop for me meaning i would not buy is the Kw181, JBL PRX618 I think it was, and I am in line to tey out the db Technologies S10. No darn yorkvilles here, there is one local group that has a set but will not sell for nothing in the world.

what is it about the Kw181 you dont like ?
audiodepot101 9:33 PM - 31 July, 2012
did it do
Joee 9:34 PM - 31 July, 2012
^^^^^^ DAMMMMMM......BALLIN.......lol, when you gonna get the forth one.....lol
pdidy 9:36 PM - 31 July, 2012
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oh ok cool. yep, I used to play reggae sets for him back in the day.

You can catch him every friday @ franks lounge in Brooklyn.
djaction 9:37 PM - 31 July, 2012
damn how was the feedback with those 4 VRX's right next to your 1200's ??
audiodepot101 9:42 PM - 31 July, 2012
they just did not have that tight kick that I was looking for, I am very hard to please when it comes to subs, so far the Yorkvilles from what I hear from everyone that has heard them seems to be my destination.
pdidy 9:45 PM - 31 July, 2012
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Just picked up another JBL VRX918sp this weekend. I had a boat ride this weekend and I wanted to make a big impression with a much smaller sound system that I could move by myself compared to the other Dj who was using a Cerwin-Vega 4x tops & 4x sub system.
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Well how do it do compared?????

Short story, there was no comparison. The EV/jbl system easily beat it.
pdidy 9:46 PM - 31 July, 2012
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^^^^^^ DAMMMMMM......BALLIN.......lol, when you gonna get the forth one.....lol

Cant decide if i want the 4th vrx or the 62 first.....lol
audiodepot101 9:46 PM - 31 July, 2012
so you had 3 JBL VRX918sp and two tops?
pdidy 9:49 PM - 31 July, 2012
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damn how was the feedback with those 4 VRX's right next to your 1200's ??

Its 3 vrx and there was no feed back what so ever. I never have that problem since I used serato.
pdidy 9:53 PM - 31 July, 2012
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so you had 3 JBL VRX918sp and two tops?

yes thats all i was using for the gig but I do have a much larger system that i choose not to use.
DJ Dynamight 9:54 PM - 31 July, 2012
yo do you have both yorkville and the VRX subs?
audiodepot101 9:55 PM - 31 July, 2012
I think that my problem is That I need to use more then one sub, I dont think that one sub can keep up with the tops
pdidy 10:02 PM - 31 July, 2012
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yo do you have both yorkville and the VRX subs?

Yes (see first post)
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I think that my problem is That I need to use more then one sub, I dont think that one sub can keep up with the tops

What tops are you using ? Do you have weight or size limits ? Whats your max budget for subs ?
audiodepot101 10:10 PM - 31 July, 2012
I am using my Mackie s408's love the sound . powered by QSC PLX3602
audiodepot101 10:10 PM - 31 July, 2012
I can do $4000 on the sub end
pdidy 10:23 PM - 31 July, 2012
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Do you have weight or size limits ?
pdidy 12:01 AM - 1 August, 2012
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I can do $4000 on the sub end

Judging from your pic, you do school parties in a gym.....I would get 4 ls801p for that budget and cover gigs up to 600-700 easy.
audiodepot101 2:20 PM - 1 August, 2012
Thats what I was thinking, I am going to use two JBL VT4881, it was said that they are loud and clear?
Dj Shamann 2:12 AM - 2 August, 2012
Has anybody ever fit an ls801p into a car? Like a regular 4 door sedan.

My regular cab driver has a big sized car but I was telling him there's no way we'd ever get one through the actual door.
pdidy 4:00 AM - 2 August, 2012
I dont think its possible but if it is, it wont be easy...smh
DJ GaFFle 5:38 AM - 2 August, 2012
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Has anybody ever fit an ls801p into a car? Like a regular 4 door sedan.

My regular cab driver has a big sized car but I was telling him there's no way we'd ever get one through the actual door.

You use a cab to get back and forth to your gigs? What city or country are you in?
Dj Shamann 7:30 AM - 2 August, 2012
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What city or country are you in?



LOL what does that have to do with it?
Dj Shamann 8:06 AM - 2 August, 2012
Sorry it's just that you reacted as if I'm from a different planet.

LOL
pdidy 8:15 AM - 2 August, 2012
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You use a cab to get back and forth to your gigs? What city or country are you in?

djs do it all the time here in nyc but the generally use mini van cabs. you can get them 24 hours a day.
Taipanic 7:50 PM - 2 August, 2012
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Has anybody ever fit an ls801p into a car? Like a regular 4 door sedan.

My regular cab driver has a big sized car but I was telling him there's no way we'd ever get one through the actual door.


I would say no. I have an HHR Panel and I can just barely fit one in the back hatch. the truck is two narrow to fit two in any configuration.
DJ DisGrace 9:15 PM - 2 August, 2012
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Has anybody ever fit an ls801p into a car? Like a regular 4 door sedan.

My regular cab driver has a big sized car but I was telling him there's no way we'd ever get one through the actual door.

Not too many 18" subs will fit in a car through the doors. When I was renting gear I'd see guys try this all the time. Best bet was usually a hatchback. Sometimes the front seat, but I've also seen a couple windshield cracked this way!
pdidy 9:32 PM - 2 August, 2012
The vrx918sp does fit in your standard midsized car BTW.....
DJ GaFFle 11:48 PM - 2 August, 2012
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You use a cab to get back and forth to your gigs? What city or country are you in?

djs do it all the time here in nyc but the generally use mini van cabs. you can get them 24 hours a day.

I just can't imagine not having using my own vehicle for a gig and even more so, using a car, and even more so... a cab. I'm use to an SUV. It actually is like a whole different world in NYC compared to down south or other parts of the country. Everywhere we go requires a car whereas ya'll have mass transit systems and taxis I guess. I'm guessing that adds to your expenses as you're paying for the extra cargo, loading time, travel and removal time, along with the same on the return taxi ride home.
pdidy 10:39 AM - 3 August, 2012
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You use a cab to get back and forth to your gigs? What city or country are you in?

djs do it all the time here in nyc but the generally use mini van cabs. you can get them 24 hours a day.

I just can't imagine not having using my own vehicle for a gig and even more so, using a car, and even more so... a cab. I'm use to an SUV. It actually is like a whole different world in NYC compared to down south or other parts of the country. Everywhere we go requires a car whereas ya'll have mass transit systems and taxis I guess. I'm guessing that adds to your expenses as you're paying for the extra cargo, loading time, travel and removal time, along with the same on the return taxi ride home.

Aint no way you fit your set in your SUV ?
But yea , things are different here, 24/7 transportation from anywhere. You dont need a car/suv at most medium gigs.
Joee 6:29 PM - 3 August, 2012
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The vrx918sp does fit in your standard midsized car BTW.....

+1, the vrx fits in the front or the back seat of my 5 series bmw
DJ GaFFle 8:39 PM - 3 August, 2012
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You use a cab to get back and forth to your gigs? What city or country are you in?

djs do it all the time here in nyc but the generally use mini van cabs. you can get them 24 hours a day.

I just can't imagine not having using my own vehicle for a gig and even more so, using a car, and even more so... a cab. I'm use to an SUV. It actually is like a whole different world in NYC compared to down south or other parts of the country. Everywhere we go requires a car whereas ya'll have mass transit systems and taxis I guess. I'm guessing that adds to your expenses as you're paying for the extra cargo, loading time, travel and removal time, along with the same on the return taxi ride home.

Aint no way you fit your set in your SUV ?
But yea , things are different here, 24/7 transportation from anywhere. You dont need a car/suv at most medium gigs.

Well, if I take two ZXa5's, 1 TH-118, cable and wire bag, laptop bag, folding Odyssey DJ booth, speaker tripods, facade and small amp + DSP rack for the sub... I can get it all in there plus some extras. My SUV's seats lay flat to the floor (flush) so things fit.
DJ GaFFle 8:40 PM - 3 August, 2012
I can actually load 2 TH-118's but must use my smaller amp case.
pdidy 11:47 PM - 3 August, 2012
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I can actually load 2 TH-118's but must use my smaller amp case.

Danm....
djdisbjohn 3:54 AM - 4 August, 2012
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The vrx918sp does fit in your standard midsized car BTW.....


i was able to fit a vrx918 in the front seat of my civic 4 dr =)
audiodepot101 3:45 AM - 11 August, 2012
P I got what I was looking for I have a JBL VT4881 it jams good tight loud and clean, I have one have to wait till year end bonus to get a second one. I am straight now lol thanks for the help. I will post pic in my id thingy, I dont see a way to post pics here.
pdidy 7:10 AM - 11 August, 2012
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P I got what I was looking for I have a JBL VT4881 it jams good tight loud and clean, I have one have to wait till year end bonus to get a second one. I am straight now lol thanks for the help. I will post pic in my id thingy, I dont see a way to post pics here.


www.jblpro.com
wow , that is a very nice sub ! 1 of those is = to 2 of my vrx918sp but the JBL VT4881 will still go lower. Did you get a deal cause that fucker is expensive...lol
Dj Shamann 12:34 AM - 13 August, 2012
When I try to load all messages in the thread nothing shows so if it's been talked about before I can't see it. I've grown to like the 801s as a pair but I just can't travel with them since I don't own a truck. I'm looking at the Yorkville paralines, dude showed me them the other day when I was paying off my rentals and they're obviously better in terms of portability, but they weren't hooked up.

What kind of bass do these things push? I know they're only 100w less than the 801, but I can't imagine them being as deep. pdidy (or anyone for that matter) what's the verdict on these?

As mentioned before I have an account with the makers of Yorkville so it would be easier on the pockets to buy some and would be no different from my monthly rental fee.
pdidy 7:14 AM - 13 August, 2012
I had the opportunity to demo the line and the only benefit i could find was portability. 1
paraline sub is about half the size of a ls801. In regards to sound, 2 paraline subs = 1 ls801. So the better buy is the ls801 unless portability is priority.
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DouggyFresh 7:26 AM - 13 August, 2012
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When I try to load all messages in the thread nothing shows so if it's been talked about before I can't see it. I've grown to like the 801s as a pair but I just can't travel with them since I don't own a truck. I'm looking at the Yorkville paralines, dude showed me them the other day when I was paying off my rentals and they're obviously better in terms of portability, but they weren't hooked up.

What kind of bass do these things push? I know they're only 100w less than the 801, but I can't imagine them being as deep. pdidy (or anyone for that matter) what's the verdict on these?

As mentioned before I have an account with the makers of Yorkville so it would be easier on the pockets to buy some and would be no different from my monthly rental fee.


Why not just buy a small utility trailer? Most mid size cars can pull a small trailer...
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:05 PM - 13 August, 2012
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I had the opportunity to demo the line and the only benefit i could find was portability. 1
paraline sub is about half the size of a ls801. In regards to sound, 2 paraline subs = 1 ls801. So the better buy is the ls801 unless portability is priority.
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I have to say I hate the look of those. Maybe better in person, but I am def not a fan of the style of those speakers.
DJ GaFFle 3:21 PM - 13 August, 2012
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I had the opportunity to demo the line and the only benefit i could find was portability. 1
paraline sub is about half the size of a ls801. In regards to sound, 2 paraline subs = 1 ls801. So the better buy is the ls801 unless portability is priority.
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I have to say I hate the look of those. Maybe better in person, but I am def not a fan of the style of those speakers.

To me, they're not horrible but the grill holes are too large and grill foam is needed to cover those exposed drivers.
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:23 PM - 13 August, 2012
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I had the opportunity to demo the line and the only benefit i could find was portability. 1
paraline sub is about half the size of a ls801. In regards to sound, 2 paraline subs = 1 ls801. So the better buy is the ls801 unless portability is priority.
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I have to say I hate the look of those. Maybe better in person, but I am def not a fan of the style of those speakers.

To me, they're not horrible but the grill holes are too large and grill foam is needed to cover those exposed drivers.


exactly...i think even if it just had the foam behind the grill...even with the large grill holes it would look 1000x better. I wonder if they were going for that "industrial" kind of look.
Free Man 8:40 PM - 13 August, 2012
^^
I think they are either going for the club look where you can't see them very well in the dim light, or the 80's carpeted look with no carpet.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:59 PM - 13 August, 2012
lol
Dj Shamann 5:59 PM - 14 August, 2012
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unless portability is priority.



At this point, it's pretty much the only option. What sucks is there is a guy getting rid of a pair of UCS1P for less than the price of 1 (less than the price of 1 LS801P as well) but they're even bigger than the 801. I might just pick them up for later on down the road but I don't even know where I'll fit them at home.
Dj Shamann 6:14 PM - 14 August, 2012
Thing is, for the better part of 20 years I have been a club and tour support DJ. I maybe do 3 or 4 mobiles a year, but a few years ago I made a plan that around this time I would start building up a "sound" so I can move into mobile legitimately. That's why I've been so back and forth in this thread.

I'm not used to bringing shit to venues because I don't play places without their own system, I live in the city, don't need to drive, I take cabs and only ever have a DJ bag with me and maybe one or two other things.

In addition to wanting to go mobile I've recently been throwing a lot more of my own parties again to have more control over my weekends. Renting a pair of 801s with a couple of tops and leaving them at a venue isn't really a big deal, I just pay my bill at the end of the month and don't worry about it.

But having a more portable set at home for those random moments would be great (as well as a good start to building my sound)


* Sorry for the life story, just want to make it more clear why I've been posting random shit in this thread lately.
Dj Shamann 6:20 PM - 14 August, 2012
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To me, they're not horrible but the grill holes are too large and grill foam is needed to cover those exposed drivers.



Not the prettiest of speakers, being arrays they're prolly not meant to be. The only reason I was looking at them is because I have an account that would allow me to pick them up for very little down, and low monthlies. Looks are one thing, but if they're not functionally appealing it makes no sense.
audiodepot101 9:29 PM - 14 August, 2012
Hey P I ended up with that sub because that what was available in my area I would have liked to hear the 801, the VT4881 has great sound quality but to be real happy I need two! I just did a black tie event and the sound was so awesome! around 120ppl Oh I got it for $3000 used which was I thought a good buy, I know that I could have bought two 801 for that price, but I will not loose a dime on this deal, so If I resell, more then likely I will recover if not all, most of my money back. The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol
pdidy 3:02 AM - 15 August, 2012
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Hey P I ended up with that sub because that what was available in my area I would have liked to hear the 801, the VT4881 has great sound quality but to be real happy I need two! I just did a black tie event and the sound was so awesome! around 120ppl Oh I got it for $3000 used which was I thought a good buy, I know that I could have bought two 801 for that price, but I will not loose a dime on this deal, so If I resell, more then likely I will recover if not all, most of my money back. The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol

Im very familiar with the VT4881, 1 of the sound guys in my area that I compete with has 4 of them with the matching array tops and they are freakin SICK. The york801p is a cool sub but by no means is it in the same league as the VT4881. The VT4881 is a high end, high quality touring sub and is priced as such.
pdidy 3:49 AM - 15 August, 2012
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The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol

Oh not even close...lol
this sub requires seeeerious POWER to achieve its intended output....
System Input Power Rating: 2000 W Continuous, 8000 W Peak (AES / 2 hour)
Recommended Amplification: 2000 – 4000 W into 8 ohms
I would recommend a Crown IT12000HD www.pssl.com
What amp are you using ?
audiodepot101 4:25 AM - 15 August, 2012
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The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol

Oh not even close...lol
this sub requires seeeerious POWER to achieve its intended output....
System Input Power Rating: 2000 W Continuous, 8000 W Peak (AES / 2 hour)
Recommended Amplification: 2000 – 4000 W into 8 ohms
I would recommend a Crown IT12000HD www.pssl.com
What amp are you using ?

No p thats 1800 Continuous that was a type-o- Its already powered with a crown hanging off the rear. 4 of those would be my dream, two is my limit for now.
audiodepot101 4:28 AM - 15 August, 2012
cgi.ebay.com

This guy has 4 of them $3000 is the going rate used
audiodepot101 4:44 AM - 15 August, 2012
www.flickr.com

This is when I first got it home to test, all happy lol
pdidy 7:02 AM - 15 August, 2012
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The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol

Oh not even close...lol
this sub requires seeeerious POWER to achieve its intended output....
System Input Power Rating: 2000 W Continuous, 8000 W Peak (AES / 2 hour)
Recommended Amplification: 2000 – 4000 W into 8 ohms
I would recommend a Crown IT12000HD www.pssl.com
What amp are you using ?

No p thats 1800 Continuous that was a type-o- Its already powered with a crown hanging off the rear. 4 of those would be my dream, two is my limit for now.

Oh ok....thats the VT4881ADP not the VT4881. The VT4881 is the passive version, you have the VT4881ADP. www.jblpro.com
ok got it....
audiodepot101 2:34 PM - 15 August, 2012
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The bass is deep!!!! !800watts I was told but have not looked into it yet, by the way it sounded, if didn't have too lol

Oh not even close...lol
this sub requires seeeerious POWER to achieve its intended output....
System Input Power Rating: 2000 W Continuous, 8000 W Peak (AES / 2 hour)
Recommended Amplification: 2000 – 4000 W into 8 ohms
I would recommend a Crown IT12000HD www.pssl.com
What amp are you using ?

No p thats 1800 Continuous that was a type-o- Its already powered with a crown hanging off the rear. 4 of those would be my dream, two is my limit for now.

Oh ok....thats the VT4881ADP not the VT4881. The VT4881 is the passive version, you have the VT4881ADP. www.jblpro.com
ok got it....

yes i wish that the SPL was a bit more but the SQ is great, I would like to find a sub with the SPL of 150 and the SQ of the JBL
Free Man 2:54 PM - 15 August, 2012
ummmm.. saw this and it caught my eye... www.soundbroker.com
audiodepot101 4:05 PM - 15 August, 2012
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ummmm.. saw this and it caught my eye... www.soundbroker.com

You are one of those that dont read the fine print
JBL VT4881ADP -ACC SOLD AND SHIPPED SEPARATELY. INCLUDES ITEMS NECESSARY FOR PROPER TRANSPORT AND PROTECTION OF ONE VT4881ADP: (1) PROTECTIVE FRONTPLATE/DOLLY WHEELBOARD, AND (1) COVER BAG. DOLLY HAS INTEGRAL HANDLES, PLYWOOD, BLACK. COVER IS RUGGED SOFT PADDED BAG WITH STRAPS, RIGID FOAM BLOCKS, AND METAL PANELS TO PROTECT JBL DRIVEPACK ELECTRONICS. NEW WITH FULL FACTORY WARRANTY, FOB CA.

This is for a dolly and cover only!!!!!!! not the speaker
Free Man 4:19 PM - 15 August, 2012
for $1000?
audiodepot101 4:25 PM - 15 August, 2012
yeap crazy huh lol
audiodepot101 4:28 PM - 15 August, 2012
you can get them from ebay for half price
www.ebay.com
pdidy 6:31 PM - 15 August, 2012
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yes i wish that the SPL was a bit more but the SQ is great, I would like to find a sub with the SPL of 150 and the SQ of the JBL

Speakers that are designed for Flying are measured while suspended in the air, so the listed spl is in free space not half space (on the ground). Ground coupling adds 6db....:)

130 dB SPL, 1m (4, free-space, suspended application)
136 dB SPL, 1m (2, half-space, ground-based application)

A sub that can produce spl of 150db generally weights bout 300-400lbs......lol
pdidy 6:43 PM - 15 August, 2012
heres a sub with excellent sound quality and 150db+ www.danleysoundlabs.com
pdidy 6:45 PM - 15 August, 2012
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ummmm.. saw this and it caught my eye... www.soundbroker.com

man u had me running for my credit cards....seriously....lol
DJ Dynamight 7:20 PM - 15 August, 2012
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heres a sub with excellent sound quality and 150db+ www.danleysoundlabs.com

drool.....
DJ Dynamight 7:22 PM - 15 August, 2012
does it come with wheels and a forklift? lol
DJ GaFFle 8:03 PM - 15 August, 2012
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When I was demo'ing the TH-118's at Danley, I had them play the TH-812. They did not have an appropriate amp with ample power on site to properly demo that thing. I couldn't tell how good it sounded because the tin building resonated so badly from all the bass. All I heard was rattling rooftop.
Free Man 8:07 PM - 15 August, 2012
interesting how huge the enclosure is, but how little space the woofers take.
audiodepot101 8:08 PM - 15 August, 2012
This is the speaker that I wanted to audition and maybe buy, but cant find one local, very interesting set up, makes for tight in your face bass. i would love to hear one. Does anyone know or had a chance to hear one?
www.dbtechnologies.com[category]=228&tx_amdbt_pi1[product]=832&cHash=3c37846c21188fdf25d2e2732c55c310
audiodepot101 8:09 PM - 15 August, 2012
by the way only about 160lbs
audiodepot101 8:11 PM - 15 August, 2012
im trying to find a better sight for them not English but you will get the idea
www.diereferenz.de
pdidy 8:12 PM - 15 August, 2012
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link not working
pdidy 8:12 PM - 15 August, 2012
ok got it
DJ Tracktion 7:12 AM - 18 August, 2012
anybody have any experience with the rcf 4pro8003-as sub?! How does it compare to the vrx and Yorkie?! I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on the vrx but this rcf looks good...

Also, anyone know any other places to purchase rcf speakers other than idjnow.com (although I'm sure they could get their hands on one if i wanted, they don't carry this particular model), I'm in NY btw.
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:00 PM - 18 August, 2012
I got my rcf subs from audiopyle.com. he is a member of djforums.com. got great prices and even arranged for me to pick up the subs at rcfs office in jersey to save shipping. I am using the 718as subs
DJ Tracktion 6:18 PM - 18 August, 2012
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I got my rcf subs from audiopyle.com. he is a member of djforums.com. got great prices and even arranged for me to pick up the subs at rcfs office in jersey to save shipping. I am using the 718as subs


pretty minimalist approach to his website....do you just email him and tell him what you're looking for and go from there?!
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:23 AM - 19 August, 2012
Yea pretty much. Either call or email. I bought 2 subs, 3 tops, 2 moving heads and some misc stuff from him. Never had an issue and had great prices.
DJ GaFFle 7:36 AM - 19 August, 2012
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Yea pretty much. Either call or email. I bought 2 subs, 3 tops, 2 moving heads and some misc stuff from him. Never had an issue and had great prices.

I can't say the same... buyer beware.
ancientyouth 1:32 PM - 19 August, 2012
He is also on the prosoundweb forum and advertises his prices to anyone posting about any kind of equipment lol
DJ Tracktion 5:38 PM - 19 August, 2012
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I can't say the same... buyer beware.


What was your issue/experience..!?

But more importantly...how does that RCF 4PRO 8003-AS sound lol.
On paper it only goes down to 40hz while the vrx is 31hz and prx-xlf 30 (qsc kw 181 is 38hz if i remember correctly but the Yorkie is 45hz, soo..)

Will prob end up seeing if idjnow can get one in to demo (even tho demo conditions and real world application are totally diff, but hey)

...but if there are any experienced users out there...feel free to chime in
djdisbjohn 4:31 PM - 27 September, 2012
I've gotta say room dimensions sure do make a big ass difference. I ran 2 VRX918s in a gym for a small homecoming dance and it sounded phenomenal. I used the same setup for a wedding in a venue with lower ceiling and the bass was not nearly as good. Having higher ceilings is definitely a plus.

dfwprodjs.com
JDforKing 9:12 PM - 27 September, 2012
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I've gotta say room dimensions sure do make a big ass difference. I ran 2 VRX918s in a gym for a small homecoming dance and it sounded phenomenal. I used the same setup for a wedding in a venue with lower ceiling and the bass was not nearly as good. Having higher ceilings is definitely a plus.

dfwprodjs.com


What tops did you run with those subs?
djdisbjohn 9:16 PM - 27 September, 2012
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I've gotta say room dimensions sure do make a big ass difference. I ran 2 VRX918s in a gym for a small homecoming dance and it sounded phenomenal. I used the same setup for a wedding in a venue with lower ceiling and the bass was not nearly as good. Having higher ceilings is definitely a plus.

dfwprodjs.com


What tops did you run with those subs?


I ran a pair of JBL PRX615's
djticonyc 4:51 PM - 6 October, 2012
is it just me or the prx615 limits pretty fast
djdisbjohn 4:55 PM - 6 October, 2012
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Compared to what speaker? Compared to qsc k/kw the prx get louder to me before limiting.

High passing the tops help too
djticonyc 5:00 PM - 6 October, 2012
I had the mackie srm 450v2 previously. I use to push the mackies more before i see the limit light come on
audiodepot101 9:01 PM - 26 October, 2012
Has anyone tried out the Yorkville Elite LS2104? thinking about a pair, pushed with QSC RMX4050'S
pdidy 10:20 PM - 26 October, 2012
Ive heard them and they are impressive. The go lower an louder than my ls801p.
DouggyFresh 12:32 AM - 27 October, 2012
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LS2104


LS2100P - 2400W 21" powered sub. That thing already has a ridiculous amount of bass. I can't imagine that with 4000W of power.
pdidy 9:09 AM - 31 October, 2012
So I did a sound gig last Sat. in a venue that Ive always used 2 yorkville 801p's. The place holds about 150-200 and i decided to try my newer (3) jbl vrx918sp i26.photobucket.com just to compare sound.

Its hitting peak time so I decide to really push the system to max.......A chick approaches me and says, Can you turn the bass down its making me and my friends sick. I said what do you mean by sick ? She said, Its hitting us so hard in our chest an stomach and its making us a lil nauseous. I seriously tried not to laugh in her face but it was like the greatest compliment she could ever give me. I told her I would turn it down but I was lyin cause everybody else was lovin it, including me. She eventualy moved her table to another part of the club.........my yorkvilles never made people nauseous before....lol
DJ DisGrace 12:50 PM - 31 October, 2012
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So I did a sound gig last Sat. in a venue that Ive always used 2 yorkville 801p's. The place holds about 150-200 and i decided to try my newer (3) jbl vrx918sp i26.photobucket.com just to compare sound.

Its hitting peak time so I decide to really push the system to max.......A chick approaches me and says, Can you turn the bass down its making me and my friends sick. I said what do you mean by sick ? She said, Its hitting us so hard in our chest an stomach and its making us a lil nauseous. I seriously tried not to laugh in her face but it was like the greatest compliment she could ever give me. I told her I would turn it down but I was lyin cause everybody else was lovin it, including me. She eventualy moved her table to another part of the club.........my yorkvilles never made people nauseous before....lol

nice!

Those VRX are the shizz for sure. I did a gig in a huge a hall, probably close to 1000 in attendance. Two VRX subs/side and two VRX 12" tops/side with a bridged PLX3002 for each box. Plenty of crisp, clean sound right to the back of the room and the amps were barely sweatin'....
SELECT 1:38 PM - 31 October, 2012
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So I did a sound gig last Sat. in a venue that Ive always used 2 yorkville 801p's. The place holds about 150-200 and i decided to try my newer (3) jbl vrx918sp i26.photobucket.com just to compare sound.

Its hitting peak time so I decide to really push the system to max.......A chick approaches me and says, Can you turn the bass down its making me and my friends sick. I said what do you mean by sick ? She said, Its hitting us so hard in our chest an stomach and its making us a lil nauseous. I seriously tried not to laugh in her face but it was like the greatest compliment she could ever give me. I told her I would turn it down but I was lyin cause everybody else was lovin it, including me. She eventualy moved her table to another part of the club.........my yorkvilles never made people nauseous before....lol


Lol, I love that story. The yorkvilles are rear loaded, the VRX bass reflex. The definitely have a diff sound. Did you have the VRX subs stacked? I know when stack my SRX subs I can really "feel" the bass. Its punchy, but warm. The bass really spreads out, its not just coming from the front. Its hard to describe.
DJ Dynamight 2:33 PM - 31 October, 2012
lol @ pdidy....I would have done the same!!
Free Man 4:23 PM - 31 October, 2012
I was at a club and a chick came running with tears in her eye. she said turn it off turn it off! my friend has epilepsy and is having a seizure!!!

Why would you go to a club if you have epilepsy?
pdidy 8:04 PM - 31 October, 2012
@ select.....yes i single stacked the subs like in the pic. These subs do have different sound, im quite sure the sick feeling they were having was caused by the lower bass frequencies the vrx produces and it wasnt as loud as i normally play the Yorkville . I could also feel the bass kick in the stomach an chest which was new to me cause the yorkville only gives you heavy chest kick from bass.
SELECT 8:09 PM - 31 October, 2012
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@ select.....yes i single stacked the subs like in the pic. These subs do have different sound, im quite sure the sick feeling they were having was caused by the lower bass frequencies the vrx produces and it wasnt as loud as i normally play the Yorkville . I could also feel the bass kick in the stomach an chest which was new to me cause the yorkville only gives you heavy chest kick from bass.


Wow, I could only imagine how they sounded stacked like that.. and three, geesuz.
pdidy 9:56 PM - 31 October, 2012
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Those VRX are the shizz for sure. I did a gig in a huge a hall, probably close to 1000 in attendance. Two VRX subs/side and two VRX 12" tops/side with a bridged PLX3002 for each box. Plenty of crisp, clean sound right to the back of the room and the amps were barely sweatin'....

I want the matching powered VRX tops so fuckin bad but it pisses me the fuck off they cost so much. I want 4 of the 12" version but I cant justify the cost. www.guitarcenter.com
DJ DisGrace 10:06 PM - 31 October, 2012
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Those VRX are the shizz for sure. I did a gig in a huge a hall, probably close to 1000 in attendance. Two VRX subs/side and two VRX 12" tops/side with a bridged PLX3002 for each box. Plenty of crisp, clean sound right to the back of the room and the amps were barely sweatin'....

I want the matching powered VRX tops so fuckin bad but it pisses me the fuck off they cost so much. I want 4 of the 12" version but I cant justify the cost. www.guitarcenter.com

If you have the amps, the passive boxes run just fine without being bi-amped. The internal passive crossovers sound great. But they are some power hungry boxes. I've never heard the powered version (sub or top) but I based on the specs they seem underpowered compared to what the passive boxes can handle.
DouggyFresh 10:35 PM - 31 October, 2012
Why not get VRX928LA's to match the subs. That's the 8" 2 way line array tops, half the price...
pdidy 11:44 PM - 31 October, 2012
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Why not get VRX928LA's to match the subs. That's the 8" 2 way line array tops, half the price...

Because its not powered, requires additional DSP, doesn't go as low or as loud as the VRX932LAP.
DouggyFresh 11:48 PM - 31 October, 2012
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Why not get VRX928LA's to match the subs. That's the 8" 2 way line array tops, half the price...

Because its not powered, requires additional DSP, doesn't go as low or as loud as the VRX932LAP.


Oh I didn't realize it wasn't powered, sorry. The place I work at has the VRX932LAP's (4 per side). So ridiculously loud even over 1400+ people. Like rock concert loud. We used to have 6 VRX918SP's but replaced them with 4 EAW dual 18" subs and 2 QSC 8000W amps.

Thought the 928's were powered and would be fine for a smaller crowd, sorry.
pdidy 11:51 PM - 31 October, 2012
Being powered is a major issue for me at this time as I also do rentals and cant be bothered with amp racks, processors and what not. I need protection and simplicity for the not so smart dj.....An im not referring to me...lol
Free Man 1:04 PM - 1 November, 2012
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need protection and simplicity for the not so smart dj.....


That must be hard knowing that the DJ that knows what they are doing is very rare. I have DJ'd for almost 21 years... went to a gig where the DJ has DJ'd longer than me, I looked at his levels and was amazed how bad they were. he stepped out of the way and i asked if i could make adjustments, he said go for it. after he said "wow that sounds a lot better, what did you do?"
I was speechless.

n/h n/m
SELECT 1:35 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Being powered is a major issue for me at this time as I also do rentals and cant be bothered with amp racks, processors and what not. I need protection and simplicity for the not so smart dj.....An im not referring to me...lol


True, sometimes I wish I would have got the VRX powered sub, but they are so expensive! How much did you pay for each? I keep seeing different prices, used too. Im tempted to sell my amp and two subs and start over with a VRX powered sub.
Free Man 4:25 PM - 1 November, 2012
^^Trading two for one?? what kind do you have?

Any comparison with the VRX and a JBL 728??
djdisbjohn 4:39 PM - 1 November, 2012
VRX subs can be had for aroudn 1500-1600.

2 vrx918SP subs would be comparable to a single properly powered 728 sub
SELECT 5:34 PM - 1 November, 2012
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^^Trading two for one?? what kind do you have?

Any comparison with the VRX and a JBL 728??


Currently two passive JBL SRX718s subs which are probably the closest thing the the VRX. I use them with a QSC RMX4050 amp and DBX for processing. They thump. However I love the idea of them being self powered like a VRX. The weight and sound are perfect for mobile use.
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VRX subs can be had for aroudn 1500-1600.

2 vrx918SP subs would be comparable to a single properly powered 728 sub


Not bad.. Im thinking about it.
DJ DisGrace 5:57 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Currently two passive JBL SRX718s subs which are probably the closest thing the the VRX

Yup, they are actually the exact same box. The VRX has fly hardware, and the option to be powered.
Free Man 6:03 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Currently two passive JBL SRX718s subs which are probably the closest thing the the VRX

Yup, they are actually the exact same box. The VRX has fly hardware, and the option to be powered.


wait... 2 718's? are equal to one VRX? thats saying a VRX is two times the sub as the single 18?
SELECT 6:05 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Currently two passive JBL SRX718s subs which are probably the closest thing the the VRX

Yup, they are actually the exact same box. The VRX has fly hardware, and the option to be powered.


Close.. they use slighty different woofers. I say this because were talking about the powered VRX. The passive VRX sub uses the same woofer as the SRX. The powered VRX uses a different woofer.

SRX & VRX passive sub-
18 inch, 2268H Differential Drive®
woofer for extended low-frequency
output.
2268H neodymium magnet, patented*
Differential Drive®,


VRX powered-
18 inch, 2268FF dual voice coil,
neodymium magnet Differential Drive®
woofer for high-power capacity and
light-weight
DJ DisGrace 6:09 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Currently two passive JBL SRX718s subs which are probably the closest thing the the VRX

Yup, they are actually the exact same box. The VRX has fly hardware, and the option to be powered.


Close.. they use slighty different woofers. I say this because were talking about the powered VRX. The passive VRX sub uses the same woofer as the SRX. The powered VRX uses a different woofer.

SRX & VRX passive sub-
18 inch, 2268H Differential Drive®
woofer for extended low-frequency
output.
2268H neodymium magnet, patented*
Differential Drive®,


VRX powered-
18 inch, 2268FF dual voice coil,
neodymium magnet Differential Drive®
woofer for high-power capacity and
light-weight

Ahh, I see. I've only ever used passive VRX and SRX, so I just assumed the powered VRX was the same box with an amp thrown in the back. Thanks for the clarification.

At the shop we mixed and matched passive VRX and SRX subs, only difference is the flying hardware.
pdidy 9:50 PM - 1 November, 2012
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VRX subs can be had for aroudn 1500-1600.

2 vrx918SP subs would be comparable to a single properly powered 728 sub

This is correct, I got mine for $1500ea but I would add that they are properly powered with a hi-end crown amp (tour grade). The High quality DSP processing and protection includes proper limiters for mechanical and thermal protection, EQ and crossover.
All this can be done with the cheaper SRX but I doubt most are qualified to do it to JBL's specifications.

I tourture tested 2 of my VRX at a sound gig just to get a good idea of its abuse limits. The gig was 6 hours long but for the last 4 hours the dj pushed the subs into solid red. To my surprise the subs didn't fail , shut down or overheat and there was very little noticeable distortion. I was very impressed......btw I was covered for damages under contract, Im not stupid...lol
DJ Tracktion 4:31 AM - 2 November, 2012
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VRX subs can be had for aroudn 1500-1600.

2 vrx918SP subs would be comparable to a single properly powered 728 sub


Damn, where is this?!...best quote I got was $1799 I think..
pdidy 4:35 AM - 2 November, 2012
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VRX subs can be had for aroudn 1500-1600.

2 vrx918SP subs would be comparable to a single properly powered 728 sub


Damn, where is this?!...best quote I got was $1799 I think..

Proaudiostar.....but u gota haggle.
Free Man 1:01 PM - 2 November, 2012
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btw I was covered for damages under contract, Im not stupid...lol


I'm sure you are, I just would hate to deal with that part. I rent stuff all the time, and my rental guy loves renting to me cause I know what i'm doing. Gives me great deals too.
n/m n/h

Anxious to test out a sub i'm taking to a gig next weekend. Dont know the model number but it is the EV competition to the SRX728. 2000 watt sub.

EV question for you. I think it is the EV ZXA1that you have talked up a lot. How does the ZXA1 Sub match up with it? From memory the loudness of the ZXA1 already has would be hard to keep up with. I know JBL model numbers better than EV, so what would you compare that sub too?
djdisbjohn 2:19 PM - 2 November, 2012
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btw I was covered for damages under contract, Im not stupid...lol


I'm sure you are, I just would hate to deal with that part. I rent stuff all the time, and my rental guy loves renting to me cause I know what i'm doing. Gives me great deals too.
n/m n/h

Anxious to test out a sub i'm taking to a gig next weekend. Dont know the model number but it is the EV competition to the SRX728. 2000 watt sub.

EV question for you. I think it is the EV ZXA1that you have talked up a lot. How does the ZXA1 Sub match up with it? From memory the loudness of the ZXA1 already has would be hard to keep up with. I know JBL model numbers better than EV, so what would you compare that sub too?


pdidy has the ZXA5's, not the ZXA1.

ZXA1 sub is only a 12" sub. It does ok for bass fill, but won't be anywhere in the same ballpark as an 18".
pdidy 2:42 PM - 2 November, 2012
it was actually joee that used the zxa1.....serato.com
Dj Nyce 4:45 PM - 2 November, 2012
@pdidy

what all subs to you have? and which do you use the most?
Free Man 6:40 PM - 2 November, 2012
interesting the ZXA5 has a 15 but the sub in the family has a 12. WTF?
djdisbjohn 6:41 PM - 2 November, 2012
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interesting the ZXA5 has a 15 but the sub in the family has a 12. WTF?


the zxa1 (12") sub is suppose to pair with the zxa1 (8") top
asthmatic 10:26 PM - 2 November, 2012
just ordered my 2nd 918sp!
DJ GaFFle 11:14 PM - 2 November, 2012
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just ordered my 2nd 918sp!

I know the feeling... congrats! Will you ever see yourself wanting that 3rd or 4th 918SP sub?
pdidy 11:45 PM - 2 November, 2012
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@pdidy

what all subs to you have? and which do you use the most?


yorkville 801p and JBL vrx918sp.

I Use the JBL vrx918sp more because i keep them at home for any gig or rental under 300 and I can move the system by myself if required for last minute work. I moved the yorkville 801p to storage for big gigs 300+ or when the JBL's are already in use for multiple gig.

I originally intended to only get 1 vrx918sp for small gigs but I started working solo at times and needed a powerful system I could move anywhere anytime alone if required.
asthmatic 6:46 AM - 3 November, 2012
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I know the feeling... congrats! Will you ever see yourself wanting that 3rd or 4th 918SP sub?

I would love four 918sp's, but I have to consider storage. As far as WANTING four, yes I want four.
SELECT 3:39 PM - 3 November, 2012
What kind of power plugs do the VRX subs have and how long are the power cords? Just thinking about how I would plug them in at gigs. Im definitely going to get them.
Dj Nyce 3:51 PM - 3 November, 2012
you guys are not helping. i was hell bent on some LS801P's. now i think i want the VRX918SP's.
djdisbjohn 5:16 PM - 3 November, 2012
VRX has powercon cable and you can daisy chain the power from one sub to the next. I believe max is 3 chained on one circuit.
djdisbjohn 5:17 PM - 3 November, 2012
I've got 2 VRX's and my partner has 1.
monchi 6:59 PM - 3 November, 2012
^^^Keep on helping BUDDY!
asthmatic 7:27 PM - 3 November, 2012
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^^^Keep on helping BUDDY!

vrx comes with both usa and euro poewr cable and an extra powercon connector so you can make a daisy chain. Powercon cables are 6ft long.
SELECT 8:01 PM - 3 November, 2012
Sweet! Thanks guys. Good to know.
asthmatic 9:14 PM - 3 November, 2012
what are your guys's favorite songs to demo subs?
Free Man 9:21 PM - 3 November, 2012
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what are your guys's favorite songs to demo subs?

i'll have to think of actual songs, but i do have a few bass test tracks that go through frequencies and another that is for car competitions.
pdidy 11:13 PM - 3 November, 2012
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you guys are not helping. i was hell bent on some LS801P's. now i think i want the VRX918SP's.

the vrx only benefit is small and portable. So if you dont require that the 801 is by far the better buy.
monchi 9:23 AM - 4 November, 2012
Yeah pdidy buy you said, ''my yorkvilles never made people nauseous before....lol"
DouggyFresh 10:43 AM - 4 November, 2012
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what are your guys's favorite songs to demo subs?


Personally, other than the obvious stuff like Miami Bass music... I like to listen to music like jazz, classic rock, country, anything with real musical content when testing speakers. I've heard the VRX918SP's installed as well as the LS801P's, I think sound quality wise the VRX subs got it. If you are playing top 40/dance/reggae/etc, the LS801P's will kill it in actual volume though. You would probably need 2 VRX918SP's to compare to 1 801P on the right music.
DJ GaFFle 12:36 PM - 4 November, 2012
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...I think sound quality wise the VRX subs got it. If you are playing top 40/dance/reggae/etc, the LS801P's will kill it in actual volume though. You would probably need 2 VRX918SP's to compare to 1 801P on the right music.

Said many times before but this is it:

Other subs = better overall sound quality
LS801P's = sheer volume and boom.
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the vrx only benefit is small and portable. So if you dont require that the 801 is by far the better buy.

You get a pair of VRX's, you've got a solid sub that'll be very cross-rent worthy, have great sound quality but not get you more than 1 to 3 dB louder than a pair of GC-bought XLF or KW subs. You get a pair of LS801P's, no pair of GC-bought powered subs can touch you. Your competition who attempts to cover a gym of 350 with a pair of GC powered subs will be clipping all night whereas your LS801P's will be cruising right along.
asthmatic 6:56 AM - 10 November, 2012
i72.photobucket.com

second sub arrived today along with suite 8. I got to temporarily set them up, and needless to say, i'm happy. Saturday should be a fun filled day.
pdidy 11:40 AM - 10 November, 2012
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i72.photobucket.com

second sub arrived today along with suite 8. I got to temporarily set them up, and needless to say, i'm happy. Saturday should be a fun filled day.

Looks like a zxa5 on top.
DJ GaFFle 5:23 PM - 10 November, 2012
Nice Asthmatic!
asthmatic 7:55 PM - 10 November, 2012
thanks, gaffle.
pdidy, you are correct. I think you recommended two 918sp for one zxa5 because the EV top is too strong for the sub. So four of these little bad boys would be perfect. But my k10s would be perfect for these two subs.
the_black_one 8:45 PM - 10 November, 2012
i just some ZXA5 for 1,380 brand new shipped #BOOOOM
monchi 9:26 PM - 10 November, 2012
^PMed
asthmatic 12:54 AM - 11 November, 2012
You good a ok/good price black, you will love them.
asthmatic 12:55 AM - 11 November, 2012
autocorrect: got
the_black_one 3:10 AM - 11 November, 2012
Looking forward to getting them
SELECT 7:44 AM - 13 November, 2012
My SRX tops and subs together. Soundcheck- youtu.be
pdidy 1:42 PM - 13 November, 2012
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thanks, gaffle.
pdidy, you are correct. I think you recommended two 918sp for one zxa5 because the EV top is too strong for the sub. So four of these little bad boys would be perfect. But my k10s would be perfect for these two subs.

yes you will definitely need at least 4 vrx918sp to keep up with 2 ev-zxa5.
pdidy 1:43 PM - 13 November, 2012
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My SRX tops and subs together. Soundcheck- youtu.be

nice setup
pdidy 1:45 PM - 13 November, 2012
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i just some ZXA5 for 1,380 brand new shipped #BOOOOM

very good price, were did you get them from ?
SELECT 1:54 PM - 13 November, 2012
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My SRX tops and subs together. Soundcheck- youtu.be

nice setup


Thanks. The tops project really well and the subs are definitely impressive for their size and weight. Its a great mobile system.
the_black_one 8:02 PM - 14 November, 2012
pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?
pdidy 8:42 PM - 14 November, 2012
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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?

I've owned them and they basically the same as the 801. Theres no difference in sound or quality.
Taipanic 8:47 PM - 14 November, 2012
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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?


Performance wise - same
The 801 has a different amp with redesigned knobs.
the_black_one 9:33 PM - 14 November, 2012
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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?

I've owned them and they basically the same as the 801. Theres no difference in sound or quality.

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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?


Performance wise - same
The 801 has a different amp with redesigned knobs.



thanx guys.... picking it up
Certified Quality Entertainment 9:38 PM - 14 November, 2012
i was so going to get a pair of the LS801s a while back but doing most work myself it was not going to be easy getting that thing in and out of my truck. Opted for the RCF 718as. Don't get as much SPL, but I think the sound quality is much better.
SG SOUNDS 11:57 PM - 14 November, 2012
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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?

I've owned them and they basically the same as the 801. Theres no difference in sound or quality.

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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?


Performance wise - same
The 801 has a different amp with redesigned knobs.



thanx guys.... picking it up


You wont regret getting those yorkvilles trust me they gonna put a big smile on your face...
the_black_one 2:52 AM - 15 November, 2012
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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?

I've owned them and they basically the same as the 801. Theres no difference in sound or quality.

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pdidy..... about to pick up a yorkville LS800P... have you heard this sub? if so how does it compare to the ls801p?


Performance wise - same
The 801 has a different amp with redesigned knobs.



thanx guys.... picking it up


You wont regret getting those yorkvilles trust me they gonna put a big smile on your face...

Putting together a mobile set up. Thanx for all the help guys. Ev tops with yorkville subs
pdidy 4:22 AM - 15 November, 2012
Which Ev
the_black_one 4:36 AM - 15 November, 2012
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ZXA5
the_black_one 8:37 PM - 19 November, 2012
Just got my ZXA5. Early Christmas for me
djdisbjohn 8:53 PM - 19 November, 2012
did you go with the 90 or 60 degree horn
the_black_one 11:42 PM - 19 November, 2012
90
Free Man 10:11 PM - 20 November, 2012
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Just got my ZXA5. Early Christmas for me


Merry Christmas! and happy New Year!
the_black_one 12:42 AM - 21 November, 2012
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Just got my ZXA5. Early Christmas for me


Merry Christmas! and happy New Year!


Thank you
djdisbjohn 1:15 AM - 21 November, 2012
dam i'm debating on selling my PRX615s to get the EV ZXA5's. I can get the ev's locally for 1320 + tax.
the_black_one 1:19 AM - 21 November, 2012
^^^ do it!!!! You won't regret it!!
DJ GaFFle 1:39 AM - 21 November, 2012
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dam i'm debating on selling my PRX615s to get the EV ZXA5's. I can get the ev's locally for 1320 + tax.

Remember, there are no peak-light indicators on the ZXa5's. If you're the type of DJ that lights up their mixer's levels like a Xmas tree, these speakers may not be for you.
pdidy 1:41 AM - 21 November, 2012
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^^^ do it!!!! You won't regret it!!

so what do you think of yours so far ?
djdisbjohn 1:42 AM - 21 November, 2012
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dam i'm debating on selling my PRX615s to get the EV ZXA5's. I can get the ev's locally for 1320 + tax.

Remember, there are no peak-light indicators on the ZXa5's. If you're the type of DJ that lights up their mixer's levels like a Xmas tree, these speakers may not be for you.


I keep mine out of the red, but if i was to rent them out i would be worried about others
pdidy 1:43 AM - 21 November, 2012
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dam i'm debating on selling my PRX615s to get the EV ZXA5's. I can get the ev's locally for 1320 + tax.

Remember, there are no peak-light indicators on the ZXa5's. If you're the type of DJ that lights up their mixer's levels like a Xmas tree, these speakers may not be for you.

Yes this is very very important
DJ GaFFle 2:26 AM - 21 November, 2012
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dam i'm debating on selling my PRX615s to get the EV ZXA5's. I can get the ev's locally for 1320 + tax.

Remember, there are no peak-light indicators on the ZXa5's. If you're the type of DJ that lights up their mixer's levels like a Xmas tree, these speakers may not be for you.


I keep mine out of the red, but if i was to rent them out i would be worried about others

Good for you but personally, I'd never rent out my ZXa5's to anyone. I'd rent out some PRX's and the like without any intrepidation. What subs do you run?
djdisbjohn 2:33 AM - 21 November, 2012
i have a pair of vrx918sp's
the_black_one 3:02 AM - 21 November, 2012
I love them.... I have a dbx drive rack and a set of yorkville subs... Could not be happier
pdidy 3:39 AM - 21 November, 2012
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I love them.... I have a dbx drive rack and a set of yorkville subs... Could not be happier

i HAVE THE SAME SETUP SO i UNDERSTAND......btw for best results,set the subs to "deep" an roll off freq to 150hz, zxa5s to full range an allow the dbx to do the work......Anywhere between 90-100hz is a good crossover freq for tops and bottoms.
the_black_one 3:48 AM - 21 November, 2012
Nice !!! Thanx Homie..... My fees just jumped a few hundred bucks!!!
DJ Tracktion 4:35 AM - 26 November, 2012
Just copped the vrx918sp...ships tomorrow....so anxious
the_black_one 4:49 AM - 26 November, 2012
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welcome to the club
DJ GaFFle 2:13 PM - 26 November, 2012
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Just copped the vrx918sp...ships tomorrow....so anxious

welcome to the sub

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DJ Tracktion 4:45 AM - 27 November, 2012
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welcome to the club



It's been a long, long wait...lol...only 2 more days
pdidy 4:54 AM - 27 November, 2012
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It's been a long, long wait...lol...only 2 more days

congratz....how many you get ?
dj_soo 1:31 PM - 28 November, 2012
since this is now the defacto subwoofer thread...

I'm doing small party for NYE - smallish room - maybe 200 people jam packed. Previous parties in the space I've been running my K12s tops and for the subs I'm running 2 15s and an 18. Looking for a full dance party sound - not necessarily super loud but we want our patrons to feel the bass.

Just the two 15s isn't enough for the room but the 18" was a little overkill and I was wondering what you thought about the two 15s and a dual 12 for that size party. Was also going to add a pair of 10" tops as satellites. Optimal suggestions for placement would be appreciated too... I was considering mounting the tops over the 15s and putting the dual 12 in front of the booth but I'm thinking it might be better to couple the 15s.

Would love to hear from you guys as I've learned more from this thread than anywhere else...
DJ GaFFle 3:08 PM - 28 November, 2012
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Would love to hear from you guys as I've learned more from this thread than anywhere else...

Another thing to learn is that you shouldn't mix different sub types. Your 15's probably have a different phase response as compared to the 18's. This could potentially cause cancellation at certain frequencies and hotspots in others.
DJ Tracktion 6:16 PM - 28 November, 2012
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congratz....how many you get ?


Just one for now...but see myself getting another one in the not too distant future


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Yep, what he said.

One or two XLF's is pretty damn good for 200ppl in a small room..
Free Man 7:57 PM - 29 November, 2012
Just in case anyone was curious...

VRX 918sp
Power Rating : 1500 Watts Peak
LF: Dual-Bridged Technology™, Class D

Frequency Range : 31 Hz – 220 Hz

Dimensions
(H x W x D) : 508 mm x 597 mm x 749 mm
(20.0 in x 23.5 in x 29.5 in)


Frequency Response : 34 Hz – 220 Hz

Maximum Peak Output : 126 dB SPL at 1m

Bandpass Nominal Impedance : LF: 2 x 2 ohms


LF Driver : 1 x JBL 2268FF 457 mm (18 in) dual voice coil
Differential Drive® woofer with neodymium-magnet


Audio Input Connector : XLR with loop through


User Controls : Input Attenuator (0-16 dB)
Selectable 80 Hz or 120 Hz Low Pass
80 Hz High-Pass enable/disable for XLR loop thru.


Signal Processing : DSP based, resident in Input Module

System Management : DSP based limiters for mechanical and thermal protection


AC Power Operating Range : 90-132 VAC or 216-264 VAC, 50/60Hz


AC Line Voltage : User selectable: 120V/240V (-15%, +10%)


AC Input Connector : Neutrik PowerCon (NAC 3MPA)


AC Loop Through Connector : Neutrik PowerCon (NAC 3MPB)


AC Current Requirements : 6A per system at 120V, 3A per system at 240V


Enclosure : 18 mm birch plywood.


Suspension / Mounting : Optional VRX-AF line-array frame kit or 10 mm forged eyebolts


Finish : Black DuraFlex™ finish


Grille : Powder coated, black, 16-gauge perforated steel with
acoustically transparent foam

Net Weight : 38.5 kg (85 lb)
Free Man 8:30 PM - 29 November, 2012
PRX618S-XLF
System Type : Self-Powered 18",
bass - reflex

Maximum SPL Output : 133 dB peak

Frequency Range (-10 dB) : 30 Hz – 105 Hz

Frequency Response (±3 dB) : 39 Hz – 93 Hz

Polarity : Normal or reverse polarity

Crossover Frequency : 90 Hz

Amp Design : Crown® Class D

Power Rating : 1000 W ( 2 x 500 )

Dimension (H x W x D) : 685.8 mm x 530.9 mm x 716.3 mm ( 27.0 in x 20.9 in x 28.2 in )


Net Weight : 37 kg ( 81.5 lb )
djdisbjohn 9:25 PM - 29 November, 2012
the XLF specs are calculated.

The VRX918 SPL is definitely higher than the XLF. Also, the VRX918 SPL measurement was done in full space.
pdidy 12:37 AM - 30 November, 2012
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the XLF specs are calculated.

The VRX918 SPL is definitely higher than the XLF. Also, the VRX918 SPL measurement was done in full space.

Bingo...

jbl vrx918sp-126 dB (measured in free space)
jbl 618xlf-133db peak (calculated in half space)
qsc kw181-135 dB peak (calculated in half space)

By looking at the spl specs most people would assume the jbl 618xlf and qsc kw181 are rated louder than the jbl vrx918sp. Most speakers/subs in the low to mid price range will have calculated spl ratings which are basically LIES to inflate their spl ratings...... but everybody does it to compete with the competitors brand. Real spl ratings that are measured are more common in pro level speakers.

So being that the jbl vrx918sp was designed to be flown in the air its 126 dB rating was measured in free space which basically means flown in the air with no walls or boundaries. Now when the jbl vrx918sp is placed on the floor its spl increases by 6 db to 132db due to ground coupling which is then called half space.

In the case of the jbl 618xlf and qsc kw181, we can predict that the REAL spl is at least 3-6db lower than advertised. That being said, they are still good subs without a doubt.
DJ Tracktion 4:12 AM - 30 November, 2012
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This is key.

I thought of it today as kinda the difference between scoring well on the SATs (half space) and scoring well on the Mensa test (free space)....not a 1 to 1 comparison...but u know, for shits and giggles.


Oo and my vrx arrived damaged in shipping...so i have to go exchange it tomorrow :(
asthmatic 6:11 AM - 30 November, 2012
let me guess, damage to the front top corner?
DJ Tracktion 10:52 PM - 30 November, 2012
kinda...the way the box was delivered it was the top corner...but it was really the bottom corner of the speaker and the grill was dented to sh*t.
DJ Tracktion 8:21 PM - 2 December, 2012
Ok i have 2 EV live x speakers that i'll be using with the vrx sub. Would like to get an opinion on the best way to hook this up. I thought it had L/R inputs like the xlf..but it doesn't, just one input...sooo

option 1:

Main out of mixer (ttm57) --> left out to vrx (set to 80hz) --> full range out to Ev with 'with sub' engaged (100hz cut). Right out of mixer to the other EV top with same settings.

option 2:

Main out of mixer: Left out to EV top - Right to other EV top both set 'with sub' 100hz cut. Left (or right) booth out to vrx sub (set to 80hz)

The other two options are basically the same but the with the vrx set to 120hz.

I like the way the vrx sounds at 80, def sounds/feels deeper (nh).

Basically my real choice is in between overlapping frequencies at 100-120hz....or missing out on some frequencies from 80-100hz....not sure either are ideal and might have to rethink this sub decision.

Or should i consider an external crossover/driverack....was trying to avoid that though.
DJ Tracktion 8:23 PM - 2 December, 2012
to clarify..they are the powered ev live x..i have a pair of the 12's and 15's.
Free Man 3:22 PM - 3 December, 2012
it will be interesting to see a final answer, but my sound guy said with active systems, to always do sub first. So i'd say sub to mains.

I'd have to hear what is sounds like if you are running the speakers with some of the same frequencies, buy i dont see it as a big deal.

Why are you trying to avoid a cross over? I think the sub first is just so simplify set up and minimize the amount of wires going up to the mains. A cross over would be the best for running what you want to each speaker. and still only power and an xlr going uo to the speakers (instead of power and xlr plus another xlr coming down to the sub)
DJ DisGrace 3:36 PM - 3 December, 2012
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missing out on some frequencies from 80-100hz

Can't say for sure, but I assume the crossover slopes in the speakers are relative mild. Having this gap may actually give you flat response at the crossover point in the end.

On the other hand, a Driverack will have steep cut offs, so having 80Hz on the subs and 100Hz on the tops will have a gap. Now, whether or not you or even your dog could hear that is the real question....
SELECT 4:23 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Ok i have 2 EV live x speakers that i'll be using with the vrx sub. Would like to get an opinion on the best way to hook this up. I thought it had L/R inputs like the xlf..but it doesn't, just one input...sooo

option 1:

Main out of mixer (ttm57) --> left out to vrx (set to 80hz) --> full range out to Ev with 'with sub' engaged (100hz cut). Right out of mixer to the other EV top with same settings.

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Main out of mixer: Left out to EV top - Right to other EV top both set 'with sub' 100hz cut. Left (or right) booth out to vrx sub (set to 80hz)

The other two options are basically the same but the with the vrx set to 120hz.

I like the way the vrx sounds at 80, def sounds/feels deeper (nh).

Basically my real choice is in between overlapping frequencies at 100-120hz....or missing out on some frequencies from 80-100hz....not sure either are ideal and might have to rethink this sub decision.

Or should i consider an external crossover/driverack....was trying to avoid that though.



Id run the tops at full range, I wouldnt event cross them over. They dont really match the sub. Thats just me though. I wouldnt cut the bass in the tops. Id want more bump in those 12 or 15 inch tops. 80hz is ideal for subwoofer bass. Anything above that and your going to mix mids in. You'll faintly hear the vocals or other parts of the song in the subwoofer basically. Try it. Play music without the tops, subwoofer only and listen. If you really want to do it then a driverack would be cool, but you could get a simple crossover and do the same thing.

Really your doing mobile DJ work. Its not that serious. Plus you have mix matched equip. You bought the sub to add more bump. Run the tops at full range like you would if you didnt have a sub and add turn up the bass on the sub to your liking.
SELECT 4:27 PM - 3 December, 2012
Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.
SELECT 4:35 PM - 3 December, 2012
From what I can recall my driverack sets the subs and 90hz and below and the tops 90hz and above.
DJ DisGrace 4:37 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.

I doubt you could hear it for the reasons I stated above

Soundman 101: never turn up frequencies on an EQ graph... always pull down
the_black_one 4:39 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.

I doubt you could hear it for the reasons I stated above

Soundman 101: never turn up frequencies on an EQ graph... always pull down


amen!!!! To some old folks like you and i in the days of actual crossovers, qe's, compressor/limiters...... That is a basic rule.....
SELECT 4:41 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.

I doubt you could hear it for the reasons I stated above

Soundman 101: never turn up frequencies on an EQ graph... always pull down


Its not about turning it up. I dont think you understand. Its about missing music. So you get it, pull down the frequencies from 80hz and below and 100hz and above and just leave playing whats from 80hz-100hz. There is music there.
SELECT 4:44 PM - 3 December, 2012
Im well versed in crossovers, eq's, limiters, compressors, etc. I run a passive JBL SRX system with a DBX PA+ driverack, crown and qsc amps. I have to know what Im doing.
SELECT 5:04 PM - 3 December, 2012
Im definitely curious as to what the crossovers are set at now on the DBX for the highs. I know the subs are def 90hz and below. Im gonna look tonight when I get home.
DJ Tracktion 5:57 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Can't say for sure, but I assume the crossover slopes in the speakers are relative mild. Having this gap may actually give you flat response at the crossover point in the end.


This is what I was thinking...I did test it together outside when i got it and it sounded good but was a very preliminary test.

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a Driverack will have steep cut offs, so having 80Hz on the subs and 100Hz on the tops will have a gap.


If I used this i'd send < 80hz subs and > 80hz to tops, or maybe 90hz on both, either way it would be to have now gap. Whether with driverack or cross over.

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You'll faintly hear the vocals or other parts of the song in the subwoofer basically. Try it.


I have, and agree..like it more set at 80hz....
Freq response of the EV's (115p) is 56hz at - 3 db...so I think not using the 'with sub' cut would cause more blatant over lapping and possible muddiness than what I might be missing if sub is set to 80hz and tops to 100hz.

Also can push the tops more when 'with sub' is engaged.


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Why are you trying to avoid a cross over?


Cause I made a mistake when comparing all my sub options and thought a feature in the considerably cheaper jbl618xlf was also present in the vrx. Although I'm pretty sure I know why it isn't...still would prefer it was lol.

Also the least amount of stuff to bring and set up is better...crossover/case/extra wires. To me it's like I wouldn't have needed this extra expense and equip with the cheaper XLF...so to need it with the more expenses VRX gets to me a lil...and i can add another xlf sooner then another vrx..like almost immediately.

really considering the 'downgrade' to the XLF now...i'm like back to square 1 lol
DJ DisGrace 7:17 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.

I doubt you could hear it for the reasons I stated above

Soundman 101: never turn up frequencies on an EQ graph... always pull down


Its not about turning it up. I dont think you understand. Its about missing music. So you get it, pull down the frequencies from 80hz and below and 100hz and above and just leave playing whats from 80hz-100hz. There is music there.

That's really the same thing as boosting the 80Hz...

Of course there is music between 80-100Hz, but unless you are using fifth order crossover slopes, you would be very unlikely to hear or notice that gap.

Not sure what the default SRX setting are in a Driverack PA, but I assume 96db/octave or better (i.e. that 80-100Hz gap will be there. it may not be audible, though)

What I was getting at, is that the high/low pass crossover built in to an active speaker (top or sub) is unlikely to be above 4th order (at best, I would think). I that case, that gap may actually get filled by the summation of the overlapping frequencies.
DJ DisGrace 7:20 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Im definitely curious as to what the crossovers are set at now on the DBX for the highs. I know the subs are def 90hz and below. Im gonna look tonight when I get home.

If you're using the preset JBL settings, I doubt they would publish what the crossover and EQ settings are.
DJ DisGrace 7:35 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Also having a gap from 80hz to 100hz is wack IMO. Get a equalizer and turn up the frequencies from 80hz to 100hz. There is bass, mids, etc.

I doubt you could hear it for the reasons I stated above

Soundman 101: never turn up frequencies on an EQ graph... always pull down


amen!!!! To some old folks like you and i in the days of actual crossovers, qe's, compressor/limiters...... That is a basic rule.....

haha glad I'm not the only one!
SELECT 7:37 PM - 3 December, 2012
Honestly you really would have to listen the setup to determine how it sounds. Its impossible to judge just by what we think would work or not. The VRX is a great sub. I wouldnt get rid of it. Id try to figure out how to use it effectively with the EV Live X tops.
DJ DisGrace 7:42 PM - 3 December, 2012
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Honestly you really would have to listen the setup to determine how it sounds. Its impossible to judge just by what we think would work or not.

That's too easy! The internet was made for speculation and conjecture =P

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In reality, just fire it up and go. Try the different settings, and see which one you prefer....
pdidy 10:16 PM - 3 December, 2012
I personally would keep it simple and play in mono until you get a second VRX918sp.
Btw, I play in mono 99% of the time......Stereo is overrated....lol

Set serato to mono
Main out of mixer (ttm57) --> (left or right) out to vrx (set to 80hz) -->Set audio out vrx to Hi pass 80hz--->VRX out to EV Live X tops set to full range (daisy chain).
SELECT 4:40 AM - 4 December, 2012
Mono sucks lol. Seriously its just bland, boring and flat. Example, listen to Wu Tangs song CREAM in stereo. At the start of the song Method Man only comes out on the left side, saying "cash rules everything around me, cream get the money". I also got some dance tunes where I can literally hear music sweeping around my head and the coming back to the front. Thats why I love listening to music on headphones cause you can really hear the way music comes from the sides, front, back, left, right, above, below, etc. Its pretty cool. There are so many great producers out there doing amazing things with sound. Really your missing out on the way songs are recorded and the imaging.

If your gonna play in mono make sure you have that option clicked on the setup screen in serato.
pdidy 4:47 AM - 4 December, 2012
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Mono sucks lol. Seriously its just bland, boring and flat. Example, listen to Wu Tangs song CREAM in stereo. At the start of the song Method Man only comes out on the left side, saying "cash rules everything around me, cream get the money". I also got some dance tunes where I can literally hear music sweeping around my head and the coming back to the front. Thats why I love listening to music on headphones cause you can really hear the way music comes from the sides, front, back, left, right, above, below, etc. Its pretty cool. There are so many great producers out there doing amazing things with sound. Really your missing out on the way songs are recorded and the imaging.

If your gonna play in mono make sure you have that option clicked on the setup screen in serato.

Now if only I could get everybody to stand still on that sweet spot on the dance in the middle to enjoy stereo....lol
the_black_one 5:17 AM - 4 December, 2012
There is nothing wrong with running mono
SELECT 5:20 AM - 4 December, 2012
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Mono sucks lol. Seriously its just bland, boring and flat. Example, listen to Wu Tangs song CREAM in stereo. At the start of the song Method Man only comes out on the left side, saying "cash rules everything around me, cream get the money". I also got some dance tunes where I can literally hear music sweeping around my head and the coming back to the front. Thats why I love listening to music on headphones cause you can really hear the way music comes from the sides, front, back, left, right, above, below, etc. Its pretty cool. There are so many great producers out there doing amazing things with sound. Really your missing out on the way songs are recorded and the imaging.

If your gonna play in mono make sure you have that option clicked on the setup screen in serato.

Now if only I could get everybody to stand still on that sweet spot on the dance in the middle to enjoy stereo....lol


Lol. One of my friends said the same thing.
SELECT 5:22 AM - 4 December, 2012
No there is nothing wrong with running mono... thats why all the greatest club systems are run in mono.. lol. Seriously strictly stereo.
pdidy 5:26 AM - 4 December, 2012
I learned years ago (to my surprise) that the "Pro" sound guys at concerts, large clubs and venues almost always ran their systems in mono. I was like gtfooh....lol

I learned that stereo truly only benefited a small select few.
pdidy 5:33 AM - 4 December, 2012
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No there is nothing wrong with running mono... thats why all the greatest club systems are run in mono.. lol.

your first comment had me thinking that you didnt no.......lol
pdidy 5:42 AM - 4 December, 2012
I've been doing sound for 15+ years and NEVER, not even once has a dj or client noticed that the system was in mono and not stereo......lol
SELECT 2:15 PM - 4 December, 2012
Lol mono still sucks. Your just getting a flat sound. Its not like stereo which is more vibrant and dimensional. If you cant tell the difference coming out of your speakers well then you need your hearing checked. Its not about a sweet spot, again it just sounds more alive and dimensional. This recording guy has some good points. Watchwww.youtube.com

How can your clients and friends they tell the difference if all your offering is mono sound lol. Your not giving them any other option. Its just loud and flat. It works dont get me wrong. I know because I played in mono for about 3 months before I got my final amp for the subs.

Id say only a handful of "sound guys" know what their doing. In all my years of DJn in venues there has been only a small number of them that had their sound right. Its only recently that new clubs are getting better at it. From my experience they mostly got shitty results because they dont know how to tie everything together correctly. Especially since most venues use passive, multiple speaker systems. So in that sense mono is really the cheap way to go. For example I know tons of guys who run the JBL SRX system mono because of that. They'd rather buy one amp and daisy chain in mono then do it right and spend money on a separate amps for each speaker. Its a matter of cost in most cases. Again mono is cheaper to run for pretty much any venue using multiple speakers.

Hey its cool if you like the mono sound, more power to you.
SELECT 2:32 PM - 4 December, 2012
When I played in mono I had one XTI 4000 amp going to the subwoofer and the other XTI 4000 bridged in mono to the two tops.
SELECT 2:33 PM - 4 December, 2012
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The tops were daisy chained btw.
DouggyFresh 4:28 PM - 4 December, 2012
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Lol mono still sucks. Your just getting a flat sound. Its not like stereo which is more vibrant and dimensional. If you cant tell the difference coming out of your speakers well then you need your hearing checked. Its not about a sweet spot, again it just sounds more alive and dimensional. This recording guy has some good points. Watchwww.youtube.com

How can your clients and friends they tell the difference if all your offering is mono sound lol. Your not giving them any other option. Its just loud and flat. It works dont get me wrong. I know because I played in mono for about 3 months before I got my final amp for the subs.

Id say only a handful of "sound guys" know what their doing. In all my years of DJn in venues there has been only a small number of them that had their sound right. Its only recently that new clubs are getting better at it. From my experience they mostly got shitty results because they dont know how to tie everything together correctly. Especially since most venues use passive, multiple speaker systems. So in that sense mono is really the cheap way to go. For example I know tons of guys who run the JBL SRX system mono because of that. They'd rather buy one amp and daisy chain in mono then do it right and spend money on a separate amps for each speaker. Its a matter of cost in most cases. Again mono is cheaper to run for pretty much any venue using multiple speakers.

Hey its cool if you like the mono sound, more power to you.


I watched the link. I can understand this for live sound, jazz concert or a movie. But let's take an example where the club or bar has no "front" or "stage". Your patrons are facing different directions. You have speakers not just in the front, but you have 8+ speakers, maybe 4 in one bar area, 6 more on a dance floor. At what point is this "sound area re-creation" concept even valid? I had this discussion more than once doing installations and re-installs at bars with people (sound people, not customers).

And then there's the cost point. A good amp bridged mono running 2 tops outputs more power in mono/parallel connected than the same amp running 2 tops in stereo.

I think the stereo point becomes less and less important as you go from a home theater environment ("sweet spot") to a bar / restaurant / club environment. Even take a wedding or party in a banquet hall. You're not just setting up 2 tops and a sub, then you get into areas/zones, the dinner area, the dance area, all these speakers are competing for "which side is left or right" when your patrons are all facing different directions.

Someone used the example of Wu Tang's CREAM - and there's many songs with that left / right stereo positioning. Actually there's lots of songs recorded in 2 channel Dolby Pro Logic, which again due to the phasing can do strange things if you're running LEFT channel only vs summed MONO, because the surround channel will not be cancelled out, leaving odd sound artifacts of the surround channel which is actually inverted mono between the LEFT and RIGHT sides - normally cancelled out in summed MONO, but if you only have the one channel plugged in, that additional sound information is fully audible.

In fact, if you take a 1/4" TRS balanced input (to a speaker, amp) and plug it into a stereo headphone jack on a mixer, and play a track with Dolby Pro Logic, you can hear JUST the surround track on that, because the +/- balanced signal is recieving JUST the differential mono between the Left and Right sides.
SELECT 4:46 PM - 4 December, 2012
No doubt, I hear you. Mono works and is really the only way that works for a lot of applications, but if your sound stage is front, stereo for me is the right option. So for us DJs using two speakers, subs, I cant understand why you wouldn't go stereo since all of the tracks we play are recorded that way.
DJ Tracktion 1:12 AM - 5 December, 2012
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So for us DJs using two speakers, subs, I cant understand why you wouldn't go stereo since all of the tracks we play are recorded that way.


Yeah, i'm partial to stereo for our mobile dj applications. Esp in some older songs where there is distinct differences in what is coming out the left channel and right channels...Sinatra, Dean Martin, Motown etc.

Def gonna keep the sub tho...restocking fee to return the sub was over $200...so i'll just use that towards a x'over instead...and the little that i did test it, it def rocks...I (slowly) kept cranking it up and it just kept pumpin' (n/h).
Sifithedj 1:34 AM - 5 December, 2012
Just buy a line array and be done with it :)
pdidy 1:45 AM - 5 December, 2012
He doesnt need the crossover if he's going to get a second sub because the vrx has an internal xover for tops. The system may sound just fine without it for the time being.
Free Man 3:41 AM - 5 December, 2012
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Stereo is over rated... try Dolby Pro Logic ftw... 3 different front channels and 2 rear channels amazing.

n/m n/h
dj_soo 6:11 AM - 5 December, 2012
Couple edm artists have some cool 5.1 surround live sets - Tipper being the first one that comes to mind...
pdidy 6:19 AM - 5 December, 2012
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So how does that work, do people take turns listening from the sweet spot......lol
I would love to hear it by the way.
dj_soo 10:48 AM - 5 December, 2012
he made an album in 5.1 which I'm assuming is what he performs live. I suppose you'd need to get the DVD to get the full surround experience...

www.amazon.com
DJ Tracktion 2:10 AM - 6 December, 2012
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Yeah, with 2 subs it's a non issue...

...and even now with just the one I think it's gonna be fine...on paper it sounds like a problem...but I played around with some of the mentioned configurations and i'm getting good full sound, so I'ma let it be.
pdidy 2:53 AM - 6 December, 2012
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Yeah, with 2 subs it's a non issue...

...and even now with just the one I think it's gonna be fine...on paper it sounds like a problem...but I played around with some of the mentioned configurations and i'm getting good full sound, so I'ma let it be.

cool thats what I figured....
DJ Dac 4:47 AM - 6 December, 2012
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Couple edm artists have some cool 5.1 surround live sets - Tipper being the first one that comes to mind...


moonshine records use to put out 5.1 mixes, i have a dj baby anne mix somewhere. it inspired me to do a 5.1 mix about 10 years ago, 2 days into it the file became corrupt and i gave up...
pdidy 4:56 AM - 6 December, 2012
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he made an album in 5.1 which I'm assuming is what he performs live. I suppose you'd need to get the DVD to get the full surround experience...

www.amazon.com

Oh ok, I thought you was talking bout a live proformance in a venue.
Free Man 1:54 PM - 7 December, 2012
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he made an album in 5.1 which I'm assuming is what he performs live. I suppose you'd need to get the DVD to get the full surround experience...

www.amazon.com

Oh ok, I thought you was talking bout a live proformance in a venue.


That would be cool, I'd be interested to see how they worked the monitors for the DJ booth lol
DouggyFresh 12:56 AM - 8 December, 2012
Actually a live performance in 5.1 surround would not need anything special but a mixer console with X-Y panning and positional outputs for front / rear left and right channels...

The real trick would be to actually output in surround sound, and have the ability to play back 5.1 digital tracks out of a CD deck / serato / etc so that you could actually use the front-rear panning effects (like a breakdown in an EDM song panning front to rear side to side, or going in a circle around the crowd...)... Or have some kind of effect coming from behind the crowd to in front of them, cued in with the lights, etc...

That would be a helluva show!! But would also require an extra set of sound system behind and around the crowd... And of course DJ gear capable of mixing and playing back 5.1 channel surround sound, plus a decoder in the sound booth to make it work. I think you would probably have to use Ableton to do it, and run multiple audio outputs from the computer.

Theoretically, you could use 5.1 Dolby Prologic II mixed into a stereo track and standard DJ gear, but who knows what the matrix decoder would do with *2* matrix mixed tracks playing simultaneously - would it mix or or would it sound like garbage?

All of those things, unfortunately, are way beyond what most venues are capable of, and for the stars with the pull to get a venue to put that kind of money into a show rider, you would have to be one of the big name EDM acts.

That said, for all the expense (in the pre-encoding, sound setup etc) involved, unless you really had a "movie style show experience" (not just pressing play like most EDM producer shows), with effects on the rear, sides, etc, maybe even 360 degree video projection combined with matching surround sound audio, would the extra headache be worth it besides "rocking the crowd", not just blinding them with bullshit....
Free Man 2:05 PM - 10 December, 2012
^^^ Insert youtube video of David Guetta showing him DJ and the CD players arent even hooked up or turned on...
ancientyouth 4:28 PM - 11 December, 2012
Want to make your powered system sound much better?
By far, the most important single thing you can do is to use a speaker processor which works on phasing, so you can delay drivers that are closer to the front of the box. Eg. If you are using a horn type subwoofer ,the horn usually has 4-6 feet to travel before the sound comes out, the mainspeaker drivers are usually mounted right on the face , so the mains need to be delayed a split -second so the sound comes out of all speakers at the same time.
Dj Nyce 3:08 PM - 6 January, 2013
i know it was mentioned before, but i can't seem to find the post. Approximately how many QSC KW181 would equate to (1) Yorkville LS801p?
DJ GaFFle 4:19 PM - 6 January, 2013
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i know it was mentioned before, but i can't seem to find the post. Approximately how many QSC KW181 would equate to (1) Yorkville LS801p?

I don't own either but have compared the LS801P to the QSC HPR181i (which I felt sounded slightly better than the KW181). My guess is almost 2 KW's to 1 LS801P. Per the specs:

LS801P = 140dB Peak (134dB continuous)
KW181 = 135dB Peak (no continuous value mentioned) and this is a 'theoretically calculated', not measured value.

I'm not sure if the Yorkville specs are calculated or truly measured. There's at least 6dB of difference in max SPL volume between these two. Based on that, if you perceive a certain loudness at say 15 feet away, with the KW181, you'll perceive the same exact loudness at 30 feet away with the LS801P. Usually, the further away the distance, the more the volume drops off. Based on the specs, the LS801P is the same loudness as the KW181 at double the distance.

It is to be noted that the KW181 goes slightly lower than the LS801P. I would bet that it's more musically balanced too.
Dj Nyce 5:17 PM - 6 January, 2013
yeah i was hell bent on some ls801p's. i used 2 this past new years. while they sounded amazing, setup and tear down was grueling. if i can get the same sound from multiple kw181's, i'd rather have 2-3 KW181's vs 2 ls801p's.
pdidy 5:52 PM - 6 January, 2013
In my experience i need 3 vrx918sp to keep up with 2 york 801p . The vrx 918sp is a lil loader than the qsc kw181 so you may need as many as 4 to keep up with 2 Yorkville 801p but as mentioned the qsc will sound betters.
pdidy 3:03 AM - 9 February, 2013
Asu 9:08 PM - 8 February, 2013
NO AUTO-PLAY in SERATO DJ!!!! WHY??

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Pdiddy did you get the ddjsx yet?


NO?

another jbl vrx918sp first....


i find the QSC KLA181 deeper/louder than the VRX Series,plus amp module reliability...


You're the first person i've ever heard come to that conclusion.
the_black_one 5:18 AM - 9 February, 2013
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NO AUTO-PLAY in SERATO DJ!!!! WHY??

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Pdiddy did you get the ddjsx yet?


NO?

another jbl vrx918sp first....


i find the QSC KLA181 deeper/louder than the VRX Series,plus amp module reliability...


You're the first person i've ever heard come to that conclusion.


bull!!!! P is correct
pdidy 6:20 AM - 9 February, 2013
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Asu 9:08 PM - 8 February, 2013
NO AUTO-PLAY in SERATO DJ!!!! WHY??

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Pdiddy did you get the ddjsx yet?


NO?

another jbl vrx918sp first....


i find the QSC KLA181 deeper/louder than the VRX Series,plus amp module reliability...


You're the first person i've ever heard come to that conclusion.


Asu, are you basing your findings on actual usage or the published specs ?
VJ-Ramos 1:22 AM - 26 March, 2013
Sorry to hijack but im looking to buy two vrx918sp's so I probly spent 8hours of just reading posts and comment and I think people are saying they get them for about 1500 each at pro audio star although they show them for 1,999 on they're site. Hopefully I can talk them into getting me a deal 3,000 for a pair or 3500 with poles, covers, and cables or something. I've come to hate my folded horns it'll be nice to have a pair or powered subs hopefully in the next 9 weeks. Just wish I could pick them up from the store myself and pay at a register where I'm face to face with an actual human being, online or over the phone purchases make me nervous especially when it's that much money, and it would suck if ups/FedEx guys throw boxes around or drop them.
pdidy 4:09 AM - 26 March, 2013
VJ-Ramos
were are you from ?
djdisbjohn 4:17 AM - 26 March, 2013
I've bought from Proaudiostar and they're great. They shipped to Dallas one of my vrx subs for the $1500
VJ-Ramos 11:16 AM - 26 March, 2013
Kansas City.
VJ-Ramos 11:29 AM - 26 March, 2013
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I've bought from Proaudiostar and they're great. They shipped to Dallas one of my vrx subs for the $1500

1500 + taxes and shipping?
djdisbjohn 3:37 PM - 26 March, 2013
No tax since it was shipped to tx and included shipping. This was about 1.5 years ago now. If you talk with them and tell them you want 2, I'm sure they could do 3k. But if you do live in NY, you may have to pay taxes
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:50 PM - 26 March, 2013
^^ Yea you will. The only reason I don't like ordering from PAS. When buying expensive gear tax adds up real quick and that alone tends to have other vendors win out in the pricing game.
VJ-Ramos 11:47 PM - 26 March, 2013
Hopefully itll be free shipping and hopefully taxes won't be more then 9%. 3270 after tax isn't that bad
DJ Tracktion 2:32 AM - 28 March, 2013
No taxes outside of NY from pro audio star so you're good if shipping them to Kansas City
VJ-Ramos 2:57 AM - 28 March, 2013
Awesome! If everything goes good I will give them a call in about 3weeks and order 2 918sp's. I'm just worried ill like them too much and will want to get 2 more lol then I would probably be sleeping on the couch for a couple weeks hahaha
pdidy 3:46 AM - 28 March, 2013
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Awesome! If everything goes good I will give them a call in about 3weeks and order 2 918sp's. I'm just worried ill like them too much and will want to get 2 more lol then I would probably be sleeping on the couch for a couple weeks hahaha

I intended on just getting 1 for small gigs cause I already had 6 yorkville ls801p's for the big stuff. That being said, I now have 3 and im about to buy a 4th in a few weeks.....lol
DJ Dynamight 3:52 AM - 28 March, 2013
I see you like bass pdidy...lol
pdidy 3:57 AM - 28 March, 2013
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I see you like bass pdidy...lol

Man you have no idea, this shit is addictive..............and expensive as fuck...smh
djdisbjohn 4:02 AM - 28 March, 2013
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I see you like bass pdidy...lol

Man you have no idea, this shit is addictive..............and expensive as fuck...smh


Truth.
Rebelguy 4:11 AM - 28 March, 2013
I am confused as to what the hype is on the VRX918SP. The specs show the peak SPL at 126db.

www.jblpro.com

This seems weird as the PRX618S-XLF are rated at 133db.

www.jblpro.com

So why get the VRXs over the PRXs?
djdisbjohn 4:38 AM - 28 March, 2013
Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless is specifies real measured values. I had the prx 618xlf and the vrx is way better. The VRX has touring grade amp and better quality woofer.
DJ GaFFle 5:04 AM - 28 March, 2013
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Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless it specifies real measured values AND a frequency response plot...

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djdisbjohn 5:15 AM - 28 March, 2013
thx
pdidy 5:26 AM - 28 March, 2013
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Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless is specifies real measured values. I had the prx 618xlf and the vrx is way better. The VRX has touring grade amp and better quality woofer.

Djdisbjohn is correct........but there's more....lol

1. The prx is powered by a lower end crown amp while the vrx is power by a high end crown amp.
2. The vrx has Higher quality DSP processing and protection.
3. Unlike the prx, the vrx has no history of over heating failures. This is likely due to its Higher quality DSP based limiters for mechanical and thermal protection and amp.
4. The vrx goes lower and louder. Better sound quality.
5. The vrx has the professional look and design. the Prx just doesn't look pro.
6. The prx has a calculated spl which in all honesty is the manufactures way of lying to you and is alway lower when measured.
7. The vrx spl is measured in full space (flown in the air) because it is designed to be flown. When the vrx is placed on the ground it gains 6db so it's spl is now 132db of real not calculated power.

Hope that clears everything up ;)


The vrx is approx $400 more than the prx but for me the improved quality and dependability is worth it.
pdidy 5:32 AM - 28 March, 2013
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Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless it specifies real measured values AND a frequency response plot...

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DJ GaFFle 1:10 PM - 28 March, 2013
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Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless is specifies real measured values. I had the prx 618xlf and the vrx is way better. The VRX has touring grade amp and better quality woofer.

Djdisbjohn is correct........but there's more....lol

1. The prx is powered by a lower end crown amp while the vrx is power by a high end crown amp.
2. The vrx has Higher quality DSP processing and protection.
3. Unlike the prx, the vrx has no history of over heating failures. This is likely due to its Higher quality DSP based limiters for mechanical and thermal protection and amp.
4. The vrx goes lower and louder. Better sound quality.
5. The vrx has the professional look and design. the Prx just doesn't look pro.
6. The prx has a calculated spl which in all honesty is the manufactures way of lying to you and is alway lower when measured.
7. The vrx spl is measured in full space (flown in the air) because it is designed to be flown. When the vrx is placed on the ground it gains 6db so it's spl is now 132db of real not calculated power.

Hope that clears everything up ;)


The vrx is approx $400 more than the prx but for me the improved quality and dependability is worth it.

^^^ This ^^^ should be a sticky for anyone JBL fans who are considering buying the JBL PRX sub. It's a good sub but if you bite the bullet for the extra $400, you'll have a VERY good sub. Those VRX's are rent and rider friendly too. (nm)
DJ GaFFle 1:10 PM - 28 March, 2013
any
Rebelguy 6:11 PM - 28 March, 2013
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Vrx is rated in full space. Prx is half space. Plus prx is calculated value. You really can't trust published specs unless is specifies real measured values. I had the prx 618xlf and the vrx is way better. The VRX has touring grade amp and better quality woofer.

Djdisbjohn is correct........but there's more....lol

1. The prx is powered by a lower end crown amp while the vrx is power by a high end crown amp.
2. The vrx has Higher quality DSP processing and protection.
3. Unlike the prx, the vrx has no history of over heating failures. This is likely due to its Higher quality DSP based limiters for mechanical and thermal protection and amp.
4. The vrx goes lower and louder. Better sound quality.
5. The vrx has the professional look and design. the Prx just doesn't look pro.
6. The prx has a calculated spl which in all honesty is the manufactures way of lying to you and is alway lower when measured.
7. The vrx spl is measured in full space (flown in the air) because it is designed to be flown. When the vrx is placed on the ground it gains 6db so it's spl is now 132db of real not calculated power.

Hope that clears everything up ;)


The vrx is approx $400 more than the prx but for me the improved quality and dependability is worth it.


Awesome info. Thanks.
pdidy 6:38 PM - 28 March, 2013
if I were to estimate the real spl of the prx I would say its approximately 129db which is still respectable.
DJ Tracktion 1:27 AM - 4 April, 2013
School dances..homecoming, proms etc. 500-800 kids. Do you go with 2 VRX's or 2 Yorkies?! (or 3 or 4)

I actually have one vrx already...but thinking the Yorkies might be better for this application.

Thoughts?!
djdisbjohn 1:30 AM - 4 April, 2013
Yorkies would be better for output alone. Most kids prob wouldn't care about sound quality and would enjoy the boominess more
pdidy 2:12 AM - 4 April, 2013
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Yorkies would be better for output alone. Most kids prob wouldn't care about sound quality and would enjoy the boominess more

I totally agree.....

You will need a minimum of 4 yorkville ls801's. 2 vrx wont cut it at all because you would need 6 minimum or 8 ideally to cover a max of 800. But the vrx will definitely sound better to anyone with a good ear for sound quality.

PS.... Kids have no freakin clue what good sound is....just trust me on this one.....;)
DJ GaFFle 2:41 AM - 4 April, 2013
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PS.... Kids have no freakin clue what good sound is....just trust me on this one.....;)

Da' troof right there...
pdidy 2:51 AM - 4 April, 2013
BTW.......4x "Yorkies might be better for this application" right NOW,..... but 6 vrx are a better "investment" if you want to do sound professionally.......something to think about before you buy.
vjmarcus 3:45 AM - 4 April, 2013
I have the jbl vrx powered subs and currently using a pl380 with srx715 tops. I'm using a BSS dps unit for this system. I sometimes use the 715 single at small parties.

Thinking about switching to the prx715 or evzxa5.

Which would you suggest or should I keep what I have?
mastermind 3:50 AM - 4 April, 2013
zxa5 is the way to go if you know how to run a sound system the right way.
vjmarcus 3:56 AM - 4 April, 2013
How is the right way with this set-up with vrx and ev?
mastermind 3:58 AM - 4 April, 2013
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How is the right way with this set-up with vrx and ev?


The EV Tops Have No Limit Light. Having Processing With EQ and Limiter Is A Must
pdidy 3:58 AM - 4 April, 2013
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I have the jbl vrx powered subs and currently using a pl380 with srx715 tops. I'm using a BSS dps unit for this system. I sometimes use the 715 single at small parties.

Thinking about switching to the prx715 or evzxa5.

Which would you suggest or should I keep what I have?

Im a big fan of the evzxa5 but the srx715 is an excellent speaker. I say keep it unless you WANT to go powered.
vjmarcus 4:01 AM - 4 April, 2013
Which Dsp do you use p.diddy if any when using vrx and ev? I think you have 3 or 4 vrx?
pdidy 4:28 AM - 4 April, 2013
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Which Dsp do you use p.diddy if any when using vrx and ev? I think you have 3 or 4 vrx?

I use the bbe ds26 for large or loud events. For small events I simply use the vrx built in crossover for my tops. I currently have 3 vrx918sp but will have a forth in a few weeks to even it out.
DJ Tracktion 6:06 AM - 4 April, 2013
Yeah I was factoring in that kids don't know shit about good sound lol

I def want this to be a system you can feel.

I don't know about doing pro sound stuff past djing events but then again I just started doing lighting rentals and I def didn't think I was gonna be doing that lol so who knows...

If all goes right, the bulk of my business will be big youth dance events..
pdidy 6:31 AM - 4 April, 2013
yea, sound like yorkville is the right choice for you....
pdidy 6:39 AM - 4 April, 2013
vjmarcus you have any pics of your set, i remember you have about 8 vrx.
VJ-Ramos 6:51 PM - 4 April, 2013
Man all this talk about ls801 has me second guessing. I wish I could demo both ls801 and vrx918 side by side in the same room... I guess if the 918 has better build quality, amp and sq but I'm sure everybody has their own opinion.
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:08 PM - 4 April, 2013
also take into account size and weight. if you don't have a big van and easy way to transport, the yorkville may not be the best sub for you either.

i was looking into grabbing a pair of them myself, but there was no way I was able to lift 1 into my explorer by myself. No less easily go up a few stairs at some of the venues I play at. unfortunatly that eliminated that sub from my choices.
DJ GaFFle 7:12 PM - 4 April, 2013
^^^ Yep, good perspective (size and weight factors). You've got a high quality box in the VRX918SP. I wouldn't regret it either way.
VJ-Ramos 7:39 PM - 4 April, 2013
That's a good point! For me that's enough to choose the vrx918 over the ls801
Taipanic 7:48 PM - 4 April, 2013
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also take into account size and weight. if you don't have a big van and easy way to transport, the yorkville may not be the best sub for you either.

i was looking into grabbing a pair of them myself, but there was no way I was able to lift 1 into my explorer by myself. No less easily go up a few stairs at some of the venues I play at. unfortunatly that eliminated that sub from my choices.


I can lift it in and out of my HHR Panel but can only fit one in there. I can usually find someone to help me if there are stairs or some other obstacle. I'll have to get a trailer to start bringing more than one to gigs.
djaction 8:04 PM - 4 April, 2013
unless you're an undercutting dj theres no reason you can't pay someone $50 to load your heavy ass yorkvilles in and out.
SELECT 8:25 PM - 4 April, 2013
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unless you're an undercutting dj theres no reason you can't pay someone $50 to load your heavy ass yorkvilles in and out.


Your paying someone a lot more to help you load and unload your equipment and then to do it again at end of the night. At this point anything above 80 pounds is nonsense for any mobile gig. Its 2013 and there are tons of lightweight mobile options for Djs that can do the job. That is unless you have a van w/ramp and roadies to help at all times. Then get your 150 pound speakers and go all out. I say this because Ive worked tons of gigs with the old JBL dual tops and sub SR-X speakers. Nightmare to load and unload, especially at the end of the night in spots with no elevators. No thanks!!

Also if your looking for a subwoofer you can "feel" on the dance floor then going horn loaded is your best option. Eaw, JTR, cerwin vega, yorkville all make horn loaded type subs.
VJ-Ramos 8:32 PM - 4 April, 2013
For me the transportation is not a biggie I've got a 14' enclosed trailer and a one ton truck but going up and down stairs and in tight doorways or in between cars in a packed parking lot that's what gets me. If I can get a smaller lighter speaker I might avoid a lot of labor on my end or a laborer banging and scratching up my speakers. I have two folded horns b52 and they have gone through a lot in the past 6 years and so has my back. I would rather pay a little more and get a little smaller and lighter.
SELECT 8:39 PM - 4 April, 2013
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For me the transportation is not a biggie I've got a 14' enclosed trailer and a one ton truck but going up and down stairs and in tight doorways or in between cars in a packed parking lot that's what gets me. If I can get a smaller lighter speaker I might avoid a lot of labor on my end or a laborer banging and scratching up my speakers. I have two folded horns b52 and they have gone through a lot in the past 6 years and so has my back. I would rather pay a little more and get a little smaller and lighter.


I hear that! For one man mobile work you want something light, powerful, compact and easy to use. Want more bass, get more speakers.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:43 PM - 4 April, 2013
+1

Years ago I used to have what I called the "magician box". It held my mixer, 2 dual CD Players, 4 amps, lighting controller in a slide back type of rack.

With all the amps (prior digital amps) in, the weight of the unit itself and all the extra components, it had to weigh close to 225lbs all together. I pull up to a venue and we are in the downstairs room and we had to go through the kitchen down these narrow ass staircase. Thank god I had other people with me as it was a bigger party, but that was the last party I used that thing!!
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:46 PM - 4 April, 2013
It was similar to this marathoncases.com

No way am I moving that thing up and down stairs anymore.
Even with roadies getting in and out of some venues is a real pain in the ass.
SELECT 8:48 PM - 4 April, 2013
^ for real! Not to mention the damage you do on your vehicles interior and suspension dropping and extra 500-1000 pounds of equipment every weekend. Thank god I have an SUV now, but still my shocks are gonna need replacing by next year.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:51 PM - 4 April, 2013
^ i hear ya.

I have a ford explorer now but i'm looking into getting a cargo van in the somewhat near future. I hooked up with another DJ company and they keep me busy pretty much every weekend so i'm starting to put a ton of miles on my truck (which i use day to day), plus if I get a van I can get a cheap fuel efficient car as my day to day ride.

Anyway...back to speakers.

The company I do work for has yorkvilles and they certainly do pound, but Id rather take 2 of my RCFs (even though they are on the heavy side), rather than 1 of the yorkville.
pdidy 3:44 AM - 5 April, 2013
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That's a good point! For me that's enough to choose the vrx918 over the ls801

size comparison......yorkville ls801 vs jbl vrx918sp

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DJ DisGrace 3:50 AM - 5 April, 2013
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That's a good point! For me that's enough to choose the vrx918 over the ls801

size comparison......yorkville ls801 vs jbl vrx918sp

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Now post pics of you with a VRX lifted over your head, and one of you crushed under a ls801
VJ-Ramos 3:51 AM - 5 April, 2013
Wow! That is a huge difference..
DJ Tracktion 6:20 AM - 5 April, 2013
Another issue was the fact that my EV elx tops internal x-over is 100hz and the vrx is either 80hz or 120hz

Pdidy, what kind of driverack or processing would u recommend for this?!
pdidy 7:39 AM - 5 April, 2013
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Another issue was the fact that my EV elx tops internal x-over is 100hz and the vrx is either 80hz or 120hz

No problem, the vrx918sp has an internal crossover output for tops if you are not using external processing.

The vrx should be set at 80hz (never @ 120hz unless external processing is in use) and the Hi-Pass button engaged so 80hz and above goes to tops which need to be set at full range.....done

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Pdidy, what kind of driverack or processing would u recommend for this?

The DBX Driverack PX is highly recommended for powered speakers. www.dbxpro.com

The sub/tops crossover point can be set between 80-100hz on processor depending on your liking.

Sub should be set to 120hz and tops set to full range to allow the "processor" (not the speakers internal processing) do its job and run the show......
DJ GaFFle 11:57 AM - 5 April, 2013
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Now post pics of you with a VRX lifted over your head, and one of you crushed under a ls801

LOL!
djaction 2:29 PM - 5 April, 2013
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unless you're an undercutting dj theres no reason you can't pay someone $50 to load your heavy ass yorkvilles in and out.


Your paying someone a lot more to help you load and unload your equipment and then to do it again at end of the night. At this point anything above 80 pounds is nonsense for any mobile gig. Its 2013 and there are tons of lightweight mobile options for Djs that can do the job. That is unless you have a van w/ramp and roadies to help at all times. Then get your 150 pound speakers and go all out. I say this because Ive worked tons of gigs with the old JBL dual tops and sub SR-X speakers. Nightmare to load and unload, especially at the end of the night in spots with no elevators. No thanks!!

Also if your looking for a subwoofer you can "feel" on the dance floor then going horn loaded is your best option. Eaw, JTR, cerwin vega, yorkville all make horn loaded type subs.


If you're paying someone more than $50-100 to load your gear in and out for a mobile it sounds like you're doing it wrong. Here's a hint.. DJ's aren't the only people these days desperate for work and taking low pay ----> bouncers. and a bonus you can easily meet them at your club gigs and they can lift heavy ass shit.
djaction 2:30 PM - 5 April, 2013
figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that
VJ-Ramos 2:35 PM - 5 April, 2013
Good point but if you can avoid paying someone else to move your equipment. Well there's another 50-100 in your pocket each gig. Add all your gigs in a year and that adds up fast.
SELECT 2:47 PM - 5 April, 2013
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unless you're an undercutting dj theres no reason you can't pay someone $50 to load your heavy ass yorkvilles in and out.


Your paying someone a lot more to help you load and unload your equipment and then to do it again at end of the night. At this point anything above 80 pounds is nonsense for any mobile gig. Its 2013 and there are tons of lightweight mobile options for Djs that can do the job. That is unless you have a van w/ramp and roadies to help at all times. Then get your 150 pound speakers and go all out. I say this because Ive worked tons of gigs with the old JBL dual tops and sub SR-X speakers. Nightmare to load and unload, especially at the end of the night in spots with no elevators. No thanks!!

Also if your looking for a subwoofer you can "feel" on the dance floor then going horn loaded is your best option. Eaw, JTR, cerwin vega, yorkville all make horn loaded type subs.


If you're paying someone more than $50-100 to load your gear in and out for a mobile it sounds like you're doing it wrong. Here's a hint.. DJ's aren't the only people these days desperate for work and taking low pay ----> bouncers. and a bonus you can easily meet them at your club gigs and they can lift heavy ass shit.


Sounds great, but lets get back to reality. Mobile gigs vary in price, size, distance and time... and aint nobody got time for that on the real. Ive got gigs lined up from $200-$2000 in pay this summer. Your not paying someone $50 bucks to help you at a mobile gig that last for 6 plus hours at some venue you have to travel to get to. Get real man.
DJ GaFFle 2:52 PM - 5 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).
SELECT 2:58 PM - 5 April, 2013
For the record I pay whoever helps me very well. They have to sacrifice their entire day basically to help me out for some of my mobile gigs. They have to be there from start to finish. 2 hours early to most gigs, change of clothes, loading & unloading, setting up, help out with drunk peeps, breaking down equip, loading and unloading again. This is 6 plus hours and getting home very late in most cases since my mobile gigs are usually 1-2 hours away.

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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


Exactly. Dude is delusional. Do you know how many mobile DJs there are out there now in this economy? No one is paying that kind of money right now unless its a Wedding.
DJ DisGrace 4:21 PM - 5 April, 2013
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DJ's aren't the only people these days desperate for work and taking low pay ----> bouncers

+1

I had some hired movers pull a n-show, called up the club's manager and got some great help in no time!
djaction 8:01 PM - 5 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


It's the average here in the Tri-State (NYC/NJ)
djaction 8:02 PM - 5 April, 2013
And by that same token I've had and know plenty of people that will roll to a 6 hour gig and get paid $50-100 for 20 minutes of work lifting.
djaction 8:02 PM - 5 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


It's the average here in the Tri-State (NYC/NJ)


and if you're NOT charging that much.. don't you think you should raise your prices? It's 2013.. prices should be going up not staying the same or down.
djaction 8:02 PM - 5 April, 2013
now back to the speaker discussion :D this thread is too good to get derailed
Dj Nyce 8:03 PM - 5 April, 2013
if the avg gig is $1000-$2000 i'm moving back to ny right now. i'm not even going to bother to pack. i'll just buy new everything.
djaction 8:11 PM - 5 April, 2013
^nyce we are talking mobile btw
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:12 PM - 5 April, 2013
I'm on long island and I can tell you that while there are gigs in the 1,500-2,500 range as well as the 10,000-15,000 range (which a buddy of mine does). There are so many ranges of parties that you can't have help at every gig.

And again, its not just in and out of the venue, it's in and out of home as well.
djaction 8:14 PM - 5 April, 2013
^true. which is why i'm a strong proponent of pick and choose your gigs.
Dj Nyce 8:21 PM - 5 April, 2013
yo i left the keys on the kitchen counter and a note for the wife and kids letting them know that i love them but i got to get back to ny to get this gwop. i'm in the truck right now.
djaction 8:22 PM - 5 April, 2013
lmao
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:28 PM - 5 April, 2013
LOL.

You can only pick and chose your gigs to a certain extent. Id rather do 5 $600 parties then 1 $1,000 party. Never know, one of those $600 can lead to a $2,000
DJ Tracktion 8:30 PM - 5 April, 2013
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No problem, the vrx918sp has an internal crossover output for tops if you are not using external processing.



Yeah but only one input and one output...i like running stereo (don't want to start that debate, just my preference)
Rebelguy 9:14 PM - 5 April, 2013
Weddings are the moneymakers. If you offer top quality product there are a lot of people that will pay top quality prices.
pdidy 11:40 PM - 5 April, 2013
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No problem, the vrx918sp has an internal crossover output for tops if you are not using external processing.



Yeah but only one input and one output...i like running stereo (don't want to start that debate, just my preference)

If stereo were a priority I'd use a processor or choose a different sub.
SG SOUNDS 1:07 PM - 6 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


It's the average here in the Tri-State (NYC/NJ)


Get the fuck outa here...I dont believe you
VJ-Ramos 1:06 AM - 7 April, 2013
So for you guys that have vrx's do you have the bags/ covers for them? Are they worth buying?
djdisbjohn 1:15 AM - 7 April, 2013
Yes. I've got one tuki and one cloud9
To me it's worth it and keeps them looking new
VJ-Ramos 1:56 AM - 7 April, 2013
Good to know
Rebelguy 2:32 AM - 7 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


It's the average here in the Tri-State (NYC/NJ)


Get the fuck outa here...I dont believe you


If he is talking weddings then yeah that is right.
djaction 8:36 AM - 7 April, 2013
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figure you're average mobile you should be charging $1,000-2,000 .. paying $50-100 is a small price to pay to not have to lift anything and have good sound.

now even if you're a lowballing cheapskate only charging $500.. $50-100 is STILL a small fraction of that

Dude... you must DJ in Dubai. Average gigs aren't going to pay that kind of coin. If you say you average $1000 - $2000, either hats off to you, or you're lying. $350 - $750 is more like the average mobile gig (in America).


It's the average here in the Tri-State (NYC/NJ)


Get the fuck outa here...I dont believe you


it is.. wanna know the avg rent? or what you have to pay monthly to keep a car here in the city? more than most car payments lol
the_black_one 3:33 AM - 8 April, 2013
speaker porn..... s638.photobucket.com
Taipanic 2:47 PM - 8 April, 2013
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speaker porn..... s638.photobucket.com


No... this is speaker porn:
www.facebook.com
DJ Dac 9:58 PM - 8 April, 2013
^drooling...
VJ-Ramos 10:38 PM - 8 April, 2013
You guys buy made or make your own powercons?
djdisbjohn 10:46 PM - 8 April, 2013
Vrx comes with 2. One edison power and one connecting
pdidy 11:27 PM - 8 April, 2013
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You guys buy made or make your own powercons?

Ive never had to buy them because I make spares with the unused parts that come with the VRX. It takes 5mins to make them with a wire stripper and screw drive.
pdidy 11:41 PM - 8 April, 2013
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You guys buy made or make your own powercons?

Ive never had to buy them because I make spares with the unused parts that come with the VRX. It takes 5mins to make them with a wire stripper and screw drive.

Watchwww.youtube.com
VJ-Ramos 2:40 AM - 18 April, 2013
just got quoted 1649. each vrx918sp
HeySoundGuy 8:27 AM - 22 April, 2013
2 JBL SRX 728's enjoy yorkvilles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
HeySoundGuy 8:34 AM - 22 April, 2013
The average gig for the U.S. is $912.00 that's the average, middle of the road DJ! There's no reason in the world for you to even get out of bed for less than $1,000
HeySoundGuy 8:39 AM - 22 April, 2013
If you have 2 10,000w subs and a 20,000w amplifier, and your plugged into a wall outlet the most that is coming out of your speakers is 1,000w per speaker appox. Give or take a little bit. I find it hilarious when I hear people talk about all their amplifiers and all their subwoofers and all this crazy amounts of wattages and power.... Your only getting so much out of the wall! An amplifier is an amplifier NOT a generator!!
pdidy 8:57 AM - 22 April, 2013
dont feed the troll
HeySoundGuy 9:03 AM - 22 April, 2013
Yummy (burp). State your piece.
SG SOUNDS 1:35 PM - 22 April, 2013
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2 JBL SRX 728's enjoy yorkvilles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.


Dont think so buddy......it takes 2 of those jbl's to keep up with one yorkville ls800p
SG SOUNDS 1:40 PM - 22 April, 2013
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2 JBL SRX 728's enjoy yorkvilles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.


Dont think so buddy......it takes 2 of those jbl's to keep up with one yorkville ls800p



My bad....i thought you were talking about the vrx model...my mistake..
ancientyouth 7:25 AM - 23 April, 2013
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If you have 2 10,000w subs and a 20,000w amplifier, and your plugged into a wall outlet the most that is coming out of your speakers is 1,000w per speaker appox. Give or take a little bit. I find it hilarious when I hear people talk about all their amplifiers and all their subwoofers and all this crazy amounts of wattages and power.... Your only getting so much out of the wall! An amplifier is an amplifier NOT a generator!!


Ever heard of an L 1430 plug ? 2 X 30A.... Plenty of power from a wall...
DJ GaFFle 11:37 AM - 23 April, 2013
Fine, But How Often Do You See Outlets Like That At Venues?
ancientyouth 2:18 PM - 23 April, 2013
I see them often, after i install them , lol
pdidy 6:19 AM - 30 April, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....
vjmarcus 6:31 AM - 30 April, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....


FRUSTRATED IS RIGHT BRO....me too...guess i'm stuck with the srx 715s LOL
vjmarcus 6:54 AM - 30 April, 2013
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Which Dsp do you use p.diddy if any when using vrx and ev? I think you have 3 or 4 vrx?

I use the bbe ds26 for large or loud events. For small events I simply use the vrx built in crossover for my tops. I currently have 3 vrx918sp but will have a forth in a few weeks to even it out.


When you get your 4th sub, you will use all 4 subs with just 2 tops?

I find 2 vrx and 2 srx715 + qsc pl380 with processing is loud enough for 500 at a volume loud enough to dance. Not night-club levels.
pdidy 6:56 AM - 30 April, 2013
the srx 715 is a great top unless you are just looking to get away from passive and amp racks.
pdidy 7:12 AM - 30 April, 2013
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When you get your 4th sub, you will use all 4 subs with just 2 tops?

I play very bass heavy so yes but i use ev-zxa5 and it would take 6 vrx918sp to keep up with just 2 of them.

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I find 2 vrx and 2 srx715 + qsc pl380 with processing is loud enough for 500 at a volume loud enough to dance. Not night-club levels.

I always play night-club levels so I would need a minimum of 4 subs for 500.
vjmarcus 1:28 PM - 30 April, 2013
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I always play night-club levels so I would need a minimum of 4 subs for 500.


...even at weddings and school events? Teachers tell me to turn it town with 2 subs and 2 tops...lol

I can feel the bass outside the gym. down the hall in the washrooms at some schools.
vjmarcus 1:29 PM - 30 April, 2013
4 subs....wow...you'll be shaking down the trophies...lol
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:13 PM - 30 April, 2013
I would love to add a few more subs to my setup. I have 2 RCF 718s and I would love 2 more, but I can't justify it right now as most of my events are in the 100-200 range. The 2 subs are fine, but for when I'm doing sweet 16's, I would love 3 or 4 to really pound the dance floor.
pdidy 10:43 PM - 8 May, 2013
djaction 11:07 PM - 8 May, 2013


yikes? that left EV is basically going to be bouncing soundwaves off that wall and causing all kinds of sonic issues no? even if it's the 60 degree version it still seems too close
DJ GaFFle 11:55 PM - 8 May, 2013
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yikes? that left EV is basically going to be bouncing soundwaves off that wall and causing all kinds of sonic issues no? even if it's the 60 degree version it still seems too close

What EV?
DJ Dynamight 11:58 PM - 8 May, 2013
I see Team Ace in the background...was the Crowd Motivator DJ Ace on the set?
pdidy 12:01 AM - 9 May, 2013
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I see Team Ace in the background...was the Crowd Motivator DJ Ace on the set?

good eye, nope....dj pleasure
pdidy 12:02 AM - 9 May, 2013
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yikes? that left EV is basically going to be bouncing soundwaves off that wall and causing all kinds of sonic issues no? even if it's the 60 degree version it still seems too close

What EV?

Right, its qsc k12
pdidy 12:05 AM - 9 May, 2013
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yikes? that left EV is basically going to be bouncing soundwaves off that wall and causing all kinds of sonic issues no? even if it's the 60 degree version it still seems too close

Right they were both turned but that does not photograph very well if you no what i mean.
djaction 1:43 AM - 9 May, 2013
oh yeah QSC my bad lol
pdidy 6:46 AM - 17 July, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....

Well I picked up the 4th and likely final jbl VRX918sp sub this past weekend for an important gig.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

I dont "need" it but that f@ckin www.jblpro.com........ www.somtec.com.br

(the matching top)has been calling me lately and Im getting weak....Got me feeling like a recovering addict......
DJ Unique 7:11 AM - 17 July, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....

Well I picked up the 4th and likely final jbl VRX918sp sub this past weekend for an important gig.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

I dont "need" it but that f@ckin www.jblpro.com........ www.somtec.com.br

(the matching top)has been calling me lately and Im getting weak....Got me feeling like a recovering addict......

Beautiful
SELECT 12:49 PM - 17 July, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....

Well I picked up the 4th and likely final jbl VRX918sp sub this past weekend for an important gig.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

I dont "need" it but that f@ckin www.jblpro.com........ www.somtec.com.br

(the matching top)has been calling me lately and Im getting weak....Got me feeling like a recovering addict......


OMG, wow. Speaker porn lol.
vjmarcus 12:58 PM - 17 July, 2013
I got 8 of these bad boys and L'm thinking about getting the matching powered tops too....let me know if you get them.
Joee 6:37 PM - 17 July, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....

Well I picked up the 4th and likely final jbl VRX918sp sub this past weekend for an important gig.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

I dont "need" it but that f@ckin www.jblpro.com........ www.somtec.com.br

(the matching top)has been calling me lately and Im getting weak....Got me feeling like a recovering addict......

i say DAAAAAAAAAMMM!!!!!!! i can hear it now, the sound of windows breaking at the venue that you take them bad boys to, i feel sorry for the dj in the room next to you

i hear it now, CAN YOU PLEASE TURN THE BASS DOWN, it's shaking our dividers, the dj in the room next door can't here his music.........lol
DJ GaFFle 8:22 PM - 17 July, 2013
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word-up p.diddy....still rockin' those vrx subs? did you end up buying a third sub? i still have my eight vrx subs ... any thoughts in the matching 932lap tops?

I have 3 vrx now and the 4th coming soon......

I want reallllly want 4 jbl vrx932lap www.jblpro.com
but unfortunately I cant justify the cost of $10,000 for tops rite now. Im seriously frustrated.....

Well I picked up the 4th and likely final jbl VRX918sp sub this past weekend for an important gig.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

I dont "need" it but that f@ckin www.jblpro.com........ www.somtec.com.br

(the matching top)has been calling me lately and Im getting weak....Got me feeling like a recovering addict......

So are these going to be discontinued like the JBL SRX were? I thought JBL discontinued the SRX due to the cost of Neomagnets and I believe these run the same drivers as the SRX did. I wouldn't care though... I hear folks break their necks trying to get the SRX cabinets over the newer STX JBLs. They're lighter, yet the performance is the same or slightly better on certain models.
DJ Dac 3:59 AM - 23 July, 2013
my back just started hurting looking at that stack...
pdidy 6:13 PM - 23 July, 2013
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punk
Joee 6:38 PM - 23 July, 2013
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my back just started hurting looking at that stack...

punk

my back doesn't hurt when looking at the jbl subs you have, my back hurts when looking at the yorkvile subs you have.....lol

that why i use these----> www.electrovoice.com, doesn't bass like the jbl or the york, but they get the job done, i'm thinking about getting two more, i think 4 subs with 2 ev 12's on top will sound good
JDforKing 11:54 PM - 23 July, 2013
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punk

my back doesn't hurt when looking at the jbl subs you have, my back hurts when looking at the yorkvile subs you have.....lol

that why i use these----> www.electrovoice.com, doesn't bass like the jbl or the york, but they get the job done, i'm thinking about getting two more, i think 4 subs with 2 ev 12's on top will sound good


Joee what tops do you run with your zxa1 subs
Joee 12:00 AM - 24 July, 2013
for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's
JDforKing 12:18 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.
Taipanic 12:34 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.


I would recommend using the FBTs full range with the zxa subs to fill in the bass.
Joee 12:36 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.

trust me when i tell you, it WILL be enough for a 130 person wedding, i did a 200 plus event last week teenagers the guy that hired me looked at the speakers & said, are you shure that enough??

at the end of the night he said, man those are some good speakers you have.lol......just make sure you stack the subs on top of each other than put the dxr on top of them with a sub pole, put the other dxr on the other side with a speaker stand.......this will give you better bass & also put the dxr up higher so the sound can travel
Joee 12:41 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.


I would recommend using the FBTs full range with the zxa subs to fill in the bass.

it sound like he want to bring as little as possible, maybe bring fbt leave it in the car if you think you need more, hook it up to fill out the sound, if you use the zxa1 sub/dxr combo, make sure you let me know what you think of it, i find that for 150 people it suits my needs perfect, good quality sound you not going to fell chest hitting bass but you will have good sound
JDforKing 12:46 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.


I would recommend using the FBTs full range with the zxa subs to fill in the bass.


Why would i run the fbts in full range if i have subs. The zxa1 subs bass is much better than the bass the fbts produce at full range.
the_black_one 12:50 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.


I would recommend using the FBTs full range with the zxa subs to fill in the bass.



this

Why would i run the fbts in full range if i have subs. The zxa1 subs bass is much better than the bass the fbts produce at full range.
the_black_one 12:52 AM - 24 July, 2013
and get yourself a DBX drive rack or an Ashly to process the audio.

NM NH
JDforKing 12:52 AM - 24 July, 2013
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for now the zxa1, but if i get two more i will run 12's


so you run two zxa1 tops and two zxa1 subs. what type of events are you doing with that set up? I'm asking because i have a wedding next week. I have 2 yamaha dxr8s and 2 zxa1 subs and i haven't really had a chance to use them a large space. I really don't know how large of an event that can handle. There will only be 130 people at the wedding, but im not sure how big the room is. I'm debating on taking my fbt promaxx12a instead of my yamaha dxr8s for more headroom.

trust me when i tell you, it WILL be enough for a 130 person wedding, i did a 200 plus event last week teenagers the guy that hired me looked at the speakers & said, are you shure that enough??

at the end of the night he said, man those are some good speakers you have.lol......just make sure you stack the subs on top of each other than put the dxr on top of them with a sub pole, put the other dxr on the other side with a speaker stand.......this will give you better bass & also put the dxr up higher so the sound can travel


I will definitely couple the subs and the dxr or the fbt will be on individual speak stands on a stage. I have a couple of wedding gigs in august and will use both set ups. I will let you know how it goes. I'm also looking into selling my dxr8s and gettting a pair ev elx112ps to run as my wedding set up. For larger gigs i will definitely use my fbt promaxx12 with my jbl prx 718s subs.
JDforKing 12:54 AM - 24 July, 2013
* running the elx112ps with the zxa1 subs
DJ Dac 1:08 AM - 24 July, 2013
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my back just started hurting looking at that stack...

punk


hey, I move my own 180 lb sub and full coffin without help every gig, but not going to lie, a bit jealous of that rig...
Joee 1:12 AM - 24 July, 2013
you will be good with the dxr/zx sub combo for you wedding, no need for the fbt, if you want to use it, use it in another part of the room away from the dxr/zx set up just to fill in, but again the dxr/zx is all you need

when i do weddings i don't want the room screaming loud, i want the dance floor to rock not the whole room
ancientyouth 4:04 PM - 24 July, 2013
Yo just doubled my system. Not powered but its worth a look. It is the largest void psyco rig in the US. This rig will destroy danley or bassmaxx easily... i challenge ANYONE to a soundclash! Lol

i1260.photobucket.com
FYI Ultra fest the bassmaxxx crew doubled their bassbins on the second day. Why????? Because they heard our stage
DJ Dynamight 4:07 PM - 24 July, 2013
damn!!!!!!
Joee 4:08 PM - 24 July, 2013
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Yo just doubled my system. Not powered but its worth a look. It is the largest void psyco rig in the US. This rig will destroy danley or bassmaxx easily... i challenge ANYONE to a soundclash! Lol

i1260.photobucket.com
FYI Ultra fest the bassmaxxx crew doubled their bassbins on the second day. Why????? Because they heard our stage

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Certified Quality Entertainment 4:13 PM - 24 July, 2013
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Yo just doubled my system. Not powered but its worth a look. It is the largest void psyco rig in the US. This rig will destroy danley or bassmaxx easily... i challenge ANYONE to a soundclash! Lol



i1260.photobucket.com

FYI Ultra fest the bassmaxxx crew doubled their bassbins on the second day. Why????? Because they heard our stage


WOW. how much power does it take to run all that???
Joee 4:29 PM - 24 July, 2013
damm, ^^^ about the same amount it would take to run a small town.......lol
ancientyouth 4:46 PM - 24 July, 2013
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Yo just doubled my system. Not powered but its worth a look. It is the largest void psyco rig in the US. This rig will destroy danley or bassmaxx easily... i challenge ANYONE to a soundclash! Lol



i1260.photobucket.com

FYI Ultra fest the bassmaxxx crew doubled their bassbins on the second day. Why????? Because they heard our stage


WOW. how much power does it take to run all that???


Not nearly what you might think..... This is all being ran off 4- 60a dual pull circuit breakers, and on a 200a panel..... Extremely efficient setup, using 4 powersoft k10's for the bassbins. Honestly could get away with 4 - 30a dual pulls with very little difference if any at all.
DJ GaFFle 11:41 PM - 24 July, 2013
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Yo just doubled my system. Not powered but its worth a look. It is the largest void psyco rig in the US. This rig will destroy danley or bassmaxx easily...

Forgive him Lord... he know not what he say'eth!

Very impressive setup though! You are definitely concert ready and in another league with THAT many subs.
the_black_one 11:47 PM - 24 July, 2013
really Nice set up ....... but to say it would destroy a danley rig ......... i have to hear it to believe it.
ancientyouth 12:57 AM - 25 July, 2013
Well "destroy " may have been going to far.... I'll just say that i expressly invite any and all comers for a sound clash......including Tom Danley..... Just not a Meyers or a Martin MLA Rig, literally anything else lol
the_black_one 1:00 AM - 25 July, 2013
name drop !!!!!!!
DJ GaFFle 1:31 AM - 25 July, 2013
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Well "destroy " may have been going to far.... I'll just say that i expressly invite any and all comers for a sound clash......including Tom Danley...

You're talking about the inventor of one of these right? Watchwww.youtube.com

Kind of puts many of these cool looking 'line-array' systems to shame.
ancientyouth 3:07 AM - 25 July, 2013
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Well "destroy " may have been going to far.... I'll just say that i expressly invite any and all comers for a sound clash......including Tom Danley...

You're talking about the inventor of one of these right? Watchwww.youtube.com

Kind of puts many of these cool looking 'line-array' systems to shame.


I have a tremendous amount of repect for danley and any designer who make the best possible products they can ...... But that video is telling about danley simply by the fact that they expect that to blow somebody away......These are concert arena speakers they better be clear alot further than that....with all due respect..... GTFOHWTS.

The system in the picture i showed you sounds best 1500-2000 ft away (for real), and is very clear over a mile away. Unless youve heard a void psyco rig its hard to know what youre looking at, it is very close to a Martin MLA i played on a month ago with 14 dual 18's ( which is over 1 million dollars)
Big ups to all the makers of great speakers and all the people who love them. Big ups to all the dudes on this forum ive chatted with , i really enjoy interacting with people who are into this as much as i am.... Ive officially moved on to the next level in this great journey and next chapter ......
10 years ago i remember looking at a huge stage thinking " i'll never have a rig like this " like ive already fucked up my life to the point that my dreams are unattainable", that photo is my proof its never too late to live the life you want for yourself.
Dj Nyce 5:39 AM - 25 July, 2013
just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?
the_black_one 5:45 AM - 25 July, 2013
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just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?



WIN!!!!!!

NM NH
JDforKing 8:07 AM - 25 July, 2013
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just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?


Jackpot
Joee 12:14 PM - 25 July, 2013
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just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?

lucky, welcome to the club
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:25 PM - 25 July, 2013
did you get that ebay auction?? I saw a pair going for just about $2,000. I was thinking of bidding but didn't pull the trigger
pdidy 3:40 PM - 25 July, 2013
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just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Nyce 6:57 PM - 25 July, 2013
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did you get that ebay auction?? I saw a pair going for just about $2,000. I was thinking of bidding but didn't pull the trigger


craigslist. this is what happens when you buy too much stuff. some yankee such as myself will come take it off your hands for a price so low it should be a crime.
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:21 PM - 25 July, 2013
You are in NY too??
Dj Nyce 7:28 PM - 25 July, 2013
originally from brooklyn, but i've been slumming it in DC since 06.
DJ GaFFle 8:19 PM - 25 July, 2013
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just scored a mint pair of zxa5's for $1800. did i win?

Watchwww.youtube.com

More like 25.media.tumblr.com
asthmatic 8:20 PM - 25 July, 2013
how do you like them NYCE? my only complaint is i need more subs.
DJ GaFFle 8:32 PM - 25 July, 2013
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Well "destroy " may have been going to far.... I'll just say that i expressly invite any and all comers for a sound clash......including Tom Danley...

You're talking about the inventor of one of these right? Watchwww.youtube.com

Kind of puts many of these cool looking 'line-array' systems to shame.


I have a tremendous amount of repect for danley and any designer who make the best possible products they can ...... But that video is telling about danley simply by the fact that they expect that to blow somebody away......These are concert arena speakers they better be clear alot further than that....with all due respect..... GTFOHWTS.

The system in the picture i showed you sounds best 1500-2000 ft away (for real), and is very clear over a mile away. Unless youve heard a void psyco rig its hard to know what youre looking at, it is very close to a Martin MLA i played on a month ago with 14 dual 18's ( which is over 1 million dollars)
Big ups to all the makers of great speakers and all the people who love them. Big ups to all the dudes on this forum ive chatted with , i really enjoy interacting with people who are into this as much as i am.... Ive officially moved on to the next level in this great journey and next chapter ......
10 years ago i remember looking at a huge stage thinking " i'll never have a rig like this " like ive already fucked up my life to the point that my dreams are unattainable", that photo is my proof its never too late to live the life you want for yourself.

Same here as far as love for quality gear and manufacturers of it but honestly, I had never heard of Void rigs until yours on this forum. When you mention your entire system sounds great 1500-2000 feet away, you're talking an entire setup. The link I posted is just one point-source unit. Danley makes some incredible and high-performing stuff. Check the specs on some of their subs.

Well hats off to you and that incredible setup. I could only wish for a setup of that size but this isn't my only profession and that's not feasible for me. By the sheer size of your rig, does that always net you additional business? I'm guessing anyone playing newer-era Dubstep and such would want to perform on your setup since you're easily in the 25Hz range in clusters. (nm)
DJ GaFFle 1:39 AM - 26 July, 2013
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how do you like them NYCE? my only complaint is i need more subs.

+1... what speakers are you coming from? What's your impression in comparison?
the_black_one 1:42 AM - 26 July, 2013
shoot.... im in the market for another set of yorkis .....
asthmatic 4:02 PM - 26 July, 2013
i have two vrx 918sp and they seem broken when paired up with my zxa5 tops lol. i've owned smaller wedding set ups, EV sxa? powered and jbl mpro non powered speakers, which dont compare.
DJ GaFFle 4:57 PM - 26 July, 2013
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i have two vrx 918sp and they seem broken when paired up with my zxa5 tops lol...

Do you mean that they don't seem loud enough when used with the ZXa5's? The output on the ZXa5's is crazy!
Joee 5:11 PM - 26 July, 2013
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i have two vrx 918sp and they seem broken when paired up with my zxa5 tops lol. i've owned smaller wedding set ups, EV sxa? powered and jbl mpro non powered speakers, which dont compare.

same here when i first got a vrx, i only had one, i was saying to my self is this thing on, theres just no way one even two vrx's can compare to the output of a pair of zax5


and that sucks since the reason i bought the speakers was, there small & compact the idea was to carry less gear, but if you want bass to go with those zxa5 you need to cary a hole lot of subs, it's a good thing they sound really good with out a sub
Dj Nyce 6:52 PM - 26 July, 2013
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how do you like them NYCE? my only complaint is i need more subs.

+1... what speakers are you coming from? What's your impression in comparison?


i'm coming from jbl eon 515xt's and qsc k12's. i stopped using the jbl's eon's ago. the k12's only sound good with monitors.

the zxa5's like everyone stated are in another category. i couldn't believe how light they are. definitely a better choice than the qsc kw152. the kw152 does have a better mixer on the back tho, but i've never used more than the xlr input on any powered speaker i've owned.

the sound is simply amazing. loud. clear. not muddy or harsh. and enough of bottom end to get away with not using subs in some venues. i will be running them with qsc kw181's.

maybe one of these days i'll step up to some jbl vrx's. the yorkies are just way too big.
DJ GaFFle 1:35 PM - 27 July, 2013
^^^ You'll have way more volume potential than you're use to ever having from your previous powered tops but keep in mind every speaker has a limit and these particular ones don't seem to have a limiter or a peak light. Enjoy!
pdidy 3:39 PM - 27 July, 2013
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theres just no way one even two vrx's can compare to the output of a pair of zax5

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i have two vrx 918sp and they seem broken when paired up with my zxa5 tops lol.

I have tested this recently and I can confirm it takes 3-4 jbl vrx918sp to keep up with just 1 ev-zxa5.
Joee 3:52 PM - 27 July, 2013
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theres just no way one even two vrx's can compare to the output of a pair of zax5

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i have two vrx 918sp and they seem broken when paired up with my zxa5 tops lol.

I have tested this recently and I can confirm it takes 3-4 jbl vrx918sp to keep up with just 1 ev-zxa5.

i've come to terms with it, i use them without a sub now, when i want bass i use the zxa1 sub/zxa1 combo

i little on the light side yes bass & weight, but i'm trying to be as mobile as posable as long as my dance floor has good sound i'm good, i actually have been getting compliments on how good the system sounds
pdidy 3:55 PM - 27 July, 2013
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but keep in mind every speaker has a limit and these particular ones don't seem to have a limiter or a peak light. Enjoy!

true, the zxa5s are incredible speakers but you cant abuse them !
pdidy 3:57 PM - 27 July, 2013
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i actually have been getting compliments on how good the system sounds

Must be weddings ?
Joee 4:01 PM - 27 July, 2013
^^ yes sir, i'm wondering if i get 4 zxa1 subs & 2 12's on top will i be able to use them for school dance's etc.
Joee 4:04 PM - 27 July, 2013
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but keep in mind every speaker has a limit and these particular ones don't seem to have a limiter or a peak light. Enjoy!

true, the zxa5s are incredible speakers but you cant abuse them !

in my experience i've never needed to abuse the, they just get so loud that i never needed to push them hard, even outdoors
Taipanic 5:22 PM - 27 July, 2013
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^^ yes sir, i'm wondering if i get 4 zxa1 subs & 2 12's on top will i be able to use them for school dance's etc.


I would say no. The ZXa1 subs do not go deep enough for the chest pounding thump that the kids want. You could always rent 3-4 18's if you book those type of gigs.
Joee 5:25 PM - 27 July, 2013
i'm not looking for chest thumping bass just quality sound, i have 18's elx & vrx i don't want to carry them
ancientyouth 5:20 AM - 28 July, 2013
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Well "destroy " may have been going to far.... I'll just say that i expressly invite any and all comers for a sound clash......including Tom Danley...

You're talking about the inventor of one of these right? Watchwww.youtube.com

Kind of puts many of these cool looking 'line-array' systems to shame.


I have a tremendous amount of repect for danley and any designer who make the best possible products they can ...... But that video is telling about danley simply by the fact that they expect that to blow somebody away......These are concert arena speakers they better be clear alot further than that....with all due respect..... GTFOHWTS.

The system in the picture i showed you sounds best 1500-2000 ft away (for real), and is very clear over a mile away. Unless youve heard a void psyco rig its hard to know what youre looking at, it is very close to a Martin MLA i played on a month ago with 14 dual 18's ( which is over 1 million dollars)
Big ups to all the makers of great speakers and all the people who love them. Big ups to all the dudes on this forum ive chatted with , i really enjoy interacting with people who are into this as much as i am.... Ive officially moved on to the next level in this great journey and next chapter ......
10 years ago i remember looking at a huge stage thinking " i'll never have a rig like this " like ive already fucked up my life to the point that my dreams are unattainable", that photo is my proof its never too late to live the life you want for yourself.

Same here as far as love for quality gear and manufacturers of it but honestly, I had never heard of Void rigs until yours on this forum. When you mention your entire system sounds great 1500-2000 feet away, you're talking an entire setup. The link I posted is just one point-source unit. Danley makes some incredible and high-performing stuff. Check the specs on some of their subs.

Well hats off to you and that incredible setup. I could only wish for a setup of that size but this isn't my only profession and that's not feasible for me. By the sheer size of your rig, does that always net you additional business? I'm guessing anyone playing newer-era Dubstep and such would want to perform on your setup since you're easily in the 25Hz range in clusters. (nm)


Last weekend was the first time we setup everything at one stage. Having a bigger system always opens up more possibilities for bigger events, and multiple stages. Many large production companies only hire companies who can do 4 stages. Also wanted backup ampracks/subs in case something blows.
Dj Nyce 4:32 AM - 6 August, 2013
got a line on a yorkie...$900 and still under warranty.

i don't own any subs yet (only rent).

i like the qsc kw181, jbl vrx918sp and the yorkville ls801p. i prefer the mobility of the qsc kw181 and the vrx918sp, but this price for this yorkie can't be ignored.

suggestions?
the_black_one 6:19 AM - 6 August, 2013
900 is high
Joee 6:35 AM - 6 August, 2013
brand new---> www.pssl.com
Taipanic 2:08 PM - 6 August, 2013
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got a line on a yorkie...$900 and still under warranty.

i don't own any subs yet (only rent).

i like the qsc kw181, jbl vrx918sp and the yorkville ls801p. i prefer the mobility of the qsc kw181 and the vrx918sp, but this price for this yorkie can't be ignored.

suggestions?

I paid $900 for mine, used, a couple of years ago. Probably better to get it new if you can swing it - if PSSL is selling new for $1400, then you should be able to find a better deal than that.
They are big and heavy but very effective. If I remember correctly, you picked up some ZXa5s, right? If so, you will need the extra oomph the Yorkies put out. Really need 3-4 of them minimum, to balance out the EVs. One LS800 sounds great with my EV SX200s, doesn't even sound like it's turned on with the ZXa5s.
DJ MCPimpin 12:28 PM - 29 August, 2013
hi I read your posts and with the 8 JBLS at the rave Pdidy was at, seems killer I never heard JBL I don't think except in cars. But around here all you see is Peavy, Traynor Yorkville.

I had a gig on the weekend and blew my Yorkville UCS1P great sub when it works lol I have it matched with my Yorkville Unity U215s

but I noticed Yorkville makes a bigger sub and wondered if you guys tried it? its a 21" sub LS2100P
goes from 33hz to 200hz and is 144db and is a 2400 watt sub I guess. Anyone ever compare it or tried it? supposed to weight 203 pounds
SELECT 2:19 PM - 29 August, 2013
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hi I read your posts and with the 8 JBLS at the rave Pdidy was at, seems killer I never heard JBL I don't think except in cars. But around here all you see is Peavy, Traynor Yorkville.

I had a gig on the weekend and blew my Yorkville UCS1P great sub when it works lol I have it matched with my Yorkville Unity U215s

but I noticed Yorkville makes a bigger sub and wondered if you guys tried it? its a 21" sub LS2100P
goes from 33hz to 200hz and is 144db and is a 2400 watt sub I guess. Anyone ever compare it or tried it? supposed to weight 203 pounds


Your in Canada, thats Yorkville country lol. I absolutey love Yorkville speakers and would have a complete set if they werent so damn heavy!!! I also like the horn loaded design of their subs. I love to FEEL the bass.

The JBL subs are designed completely different, more for excellent sound than impact to be honest. Also far lighter. No hernia's lol.
DJ GaFFle 2:27 PM - 29 August, 2013
It can't be bad. If it's anything like the LS801P, it's a winner. The cons are the size, weight and power draw. You'll probably only be able to run 1 sub per 15 amp circuit as I believe they draw 12 amps per sub. That's a deal breaker for many folks. You'd be much better off dealing with the smaller (if you can call it that), lighter and more power efficient LS801P. It only draws 6.6 amps per sub.
DJ MCPimpin 2:39 PM - 29 August, 2013
ah ok ya like mine is the UCS1P which is the Self Powered Unity 1500 watt 15 Subwoofer, it draws 4 amps. I was impressed as I usually estimate every 100 wats is 1am so figured 1500 watts was 15 amps but nope 4amps. now I get confused when they say RMS I know is the real speaker wattage but then I hear Programing Watts also and I guessing the powered subwoofers that say 2400 watts amplifier 1200 watts programed means the sub is 1200 watts but It can power other speakers so u don't need a 2nd amp correct?

now I was trying to pound my UCS1P in a little bar but I guess as crowd got bigger someone touched it as I cant see if its clipping or not but damn she was pounding and then I lost the sub without knowing and I kept cranking my Yorkville Unity Speakers the 1800 watts RMS or 3600 Peak Untiy U215s they are great id like to get 4 setup and 2 Subs I think would pound at an event??

but I get told some say JBL junk some say its awesome but really is Yorkville good? like I use just the U215s for weddings I never have to crank. but I seen these JBLS SRX?? and then what 4800 watts a speaker or something they showed 3 Rattings 1600 3200 4800 on the specs I have no idea what all that means

and I blew the sub even with its great protection and I loaded these 3 suckers in the back of my pickup truck if I ever got that 21" frig ill use a tractor to load it lol. id like to hear that bad boy. but I always wanted the subs like at the one bar I used to be at. you stand a foot away and u can feel your chest pound like having a heart attack what the hell speaker is that?

but I do have issues learning the EQ to set it better with the Ring Out they call it. and id like to learn more and get more speakers lol so I can advertise bigger sound or fairs.

but I do enjoy the Unity you don't need to crank these puppies up. but I do have a jamboree in a few weeks I fight with the sound man maybe you guys know??? im in a 100x50 building basically, the people in the front complain its too loud the people in the back cant hear. he uses 4 I guess double 18s bass bins, and 2 double Bin Tops I think it was by Peavy. I told him put another set half way down and delay the front speakers so it will match the speakers half way down, he got lippy with me. Also I doing this year I don't know how those Line Array speakers work , but I going to hang my U215s from the I bolts to my Metal Frame of the structure and so far u don't need to crank it and you can hear it throughout the building, but what is the real answer for such an event
pdidy 12:02 AM - 30 August, 2013
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hi I read your posts and with the 8 JBLS at the rave Pdidy was at, seems killer I never heard JBL I don't think except in cars. But around here all you see is Peavy, Traynor Yorkville.

I had a gig on the weekend and blew my Yorkville UCS1P great sub when it works lol I have it matched with my Yorkville Unity U215s

but I noticed Yorkville makes a bigger sub and wondered if you guys tried it? its a 21" sub LS2100P
goes from 33hz to 200hz and is 144db and is a 2400 watt sub I guess. Anyone ever compare it or tried it? supposed to weight 203 pounds

I've used the ls2100p, it's the taller sub in this pic. i26.photobucket.com
I demoed it with the intent to buy and switch all subs to 2100p but after moving it I decided
To keep the ls801p. But if weight is no issue they easily out preform the 801 in every area.
Joee 12:06 AM - 30 August, 2013
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hi I read your posts and with the 8 JBLS at the rave Pdidy was at, seems killer I never heard JBL I don't think except in cars. But around here all you see is Peavy, Traynor Yorkville.

I had a gig on the weekend and blew my Yorkville UCS1P great sub when it works lol I have it matched with my Yorkville Unity U215s

but I noticed Yorkville makes a bigger sub and wondered if you guys tried it? its a 21" sub LS2100P
goes from 33hz to 200hz and is 144db and is a 2400 watt sub I guess. Anyone ever compare it or tried it? supposed to weight 203 pounds

I've used the ls2100p, it's the taller sub in this pic. i26.photobucket.com
I demoed it with the intent to buy and switch all subs to 2100p but after moving it I decided
To keep the ls801p. But if weight is no issue they easily out preform the 801 in every area.

damm pdidy your killing the block party son, that york set up is carzzzyyyyy
DJ MCPimpin 12:12 AM - 30 August, 2013
just seen that pic now with all those speakers are they all running? and how do you not get over lap or echo if you do? and what are all the speakers there,

and I priced out the 21" sub its $2700 bucks lol ill stick with my unity sub just have to buy a recone kit. But what speakers do you recommend for a jamboree so that the people aren't blasted at the front of the stage but the people in the back can hear? and if doing outside what you recommend as I cant really get JBL but I do like the Yorkville but what speakers you like there pdiddy in Yorkville?
DJ GaFFle 12:20 AM - 30 August, 2013
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just seen that pic now with all those speakers are they all running? and how do you not get over lap or echo if you do? and what are all the speakers there,

and I priced out the 21" sub its $2700 bucks lol ill stick with my unity sub just have to buy a recone kit. But what speakers do you recommend for a jamboree so that the people aren't blasted at the front of the stage but the people in the back can hear?...

That sounds like the job for a true line array setup.
DJ MCPimpin 12:31 AM - 30 August, 2013
the sound man I have just lips me off Its in a Steel Building for my jamboree and its like 90 feet or so by 50 feet and the people complain in the front too loud, and back cant hear, he uses 4 bass bins and 2 Tops of Peavy. I told him to fly the speakers like I did in my building for my Yorkville U215s seems to work good don't need to turn up loud. But told him to then run 2 speakers half way back delay the front speakers so they match the half way down, and turn the fronts down. he just got lippy with me so I said whatever and left.
pdidy 12:41 AM - 30 August, 2013
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just seen that pic now with all those speakers are they all running? and how do you not get over lap or echo if you do? and what are all the speakers there,

Disclaimer: Please disregard the obvious failures in proper speaker placement. I allowed one of my dj friends to set it up in his very artistic way. He was very happy with his creation to say the least...lol The system was such overkill I said go ahead, fukit :) After the photos were taken I splayed the tops to cover 180 degrees and all speakers were running.

Tops - yorkville nx750
Subs - yorkville ls801p
center sub - yorkville ls2100p
Joee 12:49 AM - 30 August, 2013
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just seen that pic now with all those speakers are they all running? and how do you not get over lap or echo if you do? and what are all the speakers there,

Disclaimer: Please disregard the obvious failures in proper speaker placement. I allowed one of my dj friends to set it up in his very artistic way. He was very happy with his creation to say the least...lol The system was such overkill I said go ahead, fukit :) After the photos were taken I splayed the tops to cover 180 degrees and all speakers were running.

Tops - yorkville nx750
Subs - yorkville ls801p
center sub - yorkville ls2100p


man my back hurts just looking at the york setup
pdidy 12:49 AM - 30 August, 2013
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But told him to then run 2 speakers half way back delay the front speakers so they match the half way down, and turn the fronts down.

Yes this would work but its the remote speakers that need to be delayed.
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he just got lippy with me so I said whatever and left.

The rule is" your system, your way" so is his call......
DJ MCPimpin 1:41 AM - 30 August, 2013
ah so with all those speakers what does it sound like if you leave it like that?

as for running speakers half way down so you delay them not the mains eh and how mich u delay its not going to be like a Bruce Lee movie? lol you talk and nothing comes out till 5 seconds later LOL

well the rule is changing if I have to pay him, and I constantly every jamboree I have him and the people tell me the Front people are deaf and the people in the back cant hear, and he doesn't take some critisim or ideas. I just let the MC Deal with him lol I too busy to run everything at my jamboree.

What speakers your Perfer as tops Unity or like TX or Paraline Yorkville speakers?? or JBL??

and with a Line Array Speakers do you delay the speakers? and they actually make it to the back of the crowd so its loud enough?

I never seen how a line aray works
pdidy 2:13 AM - 30 August, 2013
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and they actually make it to the back of the crowd so its loud enough?

I never seen how a line aray works

www.atprofessional.com.au

See the speakers at the bottom of this line array, they are hung high and curved to point at the front of the crowd ONLY and play at a lower volume.

The top speakers of the array point to the back of the venue/crowd and play louder. This allows the crowd to get equal volume front to back....get it ?
DJ MCPimpin 2:25 AM - 30 August, 2013
ah ok yes i get it do you have to delay the top speakers to get to the back or no as they are all at the front, hmm something for me to look into. as maybe ill just go into live sound and just have someone work for me to run it. I did try my U215s hanging in my building and they do good as they high but also the unity can throw sound out far without having to crank the crap out of them but with my steel building she echos if u stand behind the speaker.

but deffently will look into them

who makes a good line array speakers I know Yorkville does but never tried them
the_black_one 2:29 AM - 30 August, 2013
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ah ok yes i get it do you have to delay the top speakers to get to the back or no as they are all at the front, hmm something for me to look into. as maybe ill just go into live sound and just have someone work for me to run it. I did try my U215s hanging in my building and they do good as they high but also the unity can throw sound out far without having to crank the crap out of them but with my steel building she echos if u stand behind the speaker.

but deffently will look into them

who makes a good line array speakers I know Yorkville does but never tried them



unless you have the cash don't even bother looking........

NM NH
DJ MCPimpin 2:43 AM - 30 August, 2013
oh ok that expensive eh, ill stick with the Unitys for now then maybe get 4 U215s and 2 UCS1Ps or get unpowered so I can adjust the roll overs by the mixer?
the_black_one 2:46 AM - 30 August, 2013
look at them bad boys ..... just to give you a taste www.clairsystems.com


NM NH
DJ MCPimpin 2:53 AM - 30 August, 2013
thos are pretty slick and the power for the subs un real damn kick ass
dj_soo 3:18 AM - 30 August, 2013
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hi I read your posts and with the 8 JBLS at the rave Pdidy was at, seems killer I never heard JBL I don't think except in cars. But around here all you see is Peavy, Traynor Yorkville.

I had a gig on the weekend and blew my Yorkville UCS1P great sub when it works lol I have it matched with my Yorkville Unity U215s

but I noticed Yorkville makes a bigger sub and wondered if you guys tried it? its a 21" sub LS2100P
goes from 33hz to 200hz and is 144db and is a 2400 watt sub I guess. Anyone ever compare it or tried it? supposed to weight 203 pounds



LS2100 is a beast.
DJ MCPimpin 12:04 PM - 30 August, 2013
ya I bet they give ur chest a shake
Funkytownstopsix 2:18 PM - 24 September, 2013
So I have made up my mind to buy a pair of VRX918s my only questions is : ) I am a mobile Dj playing to crowds the size of 100-250 mostly weddings and small parities would two VRX918s be suffice for such events. I have more subs but just trying to go as light as possible.
Joee 2:24 PM - 24 September, 2013
^ in two words, HELL YHEA!!!!!!!
djdisbjohn 2:24 PM - 24 September, 2013
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So I have made up my mind to buy a pair of VRX918s my only questions is : ) I am a mobile Dj playing to crowds the size of 100-250 mostly weddings and small parities would two VRX918s be suffice for such events. I have more subs but just trying to go as light as possible.


2 subs is plenty for 250 guests
JDforKing 2:54 PM - 24 September, 2013
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So I have made up my mind to buy a pair of VRX918s my only questions is : ) I am a mobile Dj playing to crowds the size of 100-250 mostly weddings and small parities would two VRX918s be suffice for such events. I have more subs but just trying to go as light as possible.



I honestly think you can get away with purchasing something less expensive for that size crowd. The 2 jbl prx618 xlf or 2 qsc kw181 would also work well.
Funkytownstopsix 3:26 PM - 24 September, 2013
:) well my mind set has been to buy only once. kw181 is the same price as the vrx if I recall is kw181 better than vrx??
JDforKing 3:40 PM - 24 September, 2013
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:) well my mind set has been to buy only once. kw181 is the same price as the vrx if I recall is kw181 better than vrx??


I agree with your mindset, but you also have to factor in what you'll using it for. I definitely haven't seen a vrx for the same price as a kw. You must be talking about the jbl prx.
Funkytownstopsix 3:54 PM - 24 September, 2013
:) I could be worng but I been looking at the vrx918sp the prices have be around 1400 I think that's what the kw181 was going for last I looked about 1400. Still king which is better kw181 or vrx
Funkytownstopsix 3:55 PM - 24 September, 2013
my bad vrx s not sp
Joee 3:58 PM - 24 September, 2013
the vrx918sp can be found for $1,500 you might want to also consider the prx718xlf
djdisbjohn 4:02 PM - 24 September, 2013
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my bad vrx s not sp

What tops are you running?
Funkytownstopsix 4:13 PM - 24 September, 2013
have not decided yet on that.. I currently have Mackie SRM450v2 they have and still do me well even after dropping them off a truck they bounced around and still worked... I'm thinking about some zxa 1's but if I get those the wife will want another dimiond ring because then she would think I was ballin...:) I have to sneak those in some how...
Funkytownstopsix 4:18 PM - 24 September, 2013
i hate to mix and match so I am still thinking on this...
Joee 4:23 PM - 24 September, 2013
zxa1's? you know those are 8inch top boxes right!

may i suggest two of these for your bass---> www.jblpro.com

and two of these for your tops-----------------> www.jblpro.com
Funkytownstopsix 4:26 PM - 24 September, 2013
lol yeah I was joking... I really don't know but thanks for your recomendations.
Papa Midnight 4:27 PM - 24 September, 2013
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may i suggest two of these for your bass---> www.jblpro.com

Has anyone actually heard these yet?
Joee 4:27 PM - 24 September, 2013
^ i'm still waiting
Funkytownstopsix 4:29 PM - 24 September, 2013
yeah that was my next question you think they can handle 200-300 crowd.
Joee 4:30 PM - 24 September, 2013
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lol yeah I was joking... I really don't know but thanks for your recomendations.

ok so which one is it are you joking? or are you serious about buying speakers?

whats you budget?
Funkytownstopsix 4:32 PM - 24 September, 2013
dude I was joking about the zxa's,,,,, My budget is what wife will let me spend. so that can be nothing to something... I do plan on buying the vrx's unless i find a better or closer to specs option. 200 - 300 people is what I tend to entertain.
Joee 4:38 PM - 24 September, 2013
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My budget is what wife will let me spend. so that can be nothing to something... I do plan on buying the vrx's.


this makes no sense, you want to buy top of the line gear saying your budget is nothing to something

so you wife is gonna let you spend $4,000 on two bass bins and you would still need tops---------> www.adorama.com
Funkytownstopsix 4:53 PM - 24 September, 2013
: ) your not married to my wife so you wont understand.... yes I want the vrx and will most likely buy them but spending more would cause me greif is all.... LOL Besides like I said the s no the sp. cc.bingj.com
Funkytownstopsix 4:59 PM - 24 September, 2013
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zxa1's? you know those are 8inch top boxes right!

may i suggest two of these for your bass---> www.jblpro.com

and two of these for your tops-----------------> www.jblpro.com


This could be a really good option as I already have subs... now I will ponder.
pdidy 5:34 PM - 24 September, 2013
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my bad vrx s not sp

do you understand the difference between the two.
Joee 6:25 PM - 24 September, 2013
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zxa1's? you know those are 8inch top boxes right!

may i suggest two of these for your bass---> www.jblpro.com

and two of these for your tops-----------------> www.jblpro.com


This could be a really good option as I already have subs... now I will ponder.

so you already have subs?

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So I have made up my mind to buy a pair of VRX918s my only questions is : ) I am a mobile Dj playing to crowds the size of 100-250 mostly weddings and small parities would two VRX918s be suffice for such events. I have more subs but just trying to go as light as possible.

????????????????????
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:28 PM - 24 September, 2013
I am so confused!!!
Joee 7:12 PM - 24 September, 2013
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I am so confused!!!

lol.........me too
pdidy 7:24 PM - 24 September, 2013
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zxa1's? you know those are 8inch top boxes right!

may i suggest two of these for your bass---> www.jblpro.com

and two of these for your tops-----------------> www.jblpro.com


This could be a really good option as I already have subs... now I will ponder.

What amp are you currently using.
Funkytownstopsix 4:09 PM - 25 September, 2013
The confusion comes from me being confused... S is non active and SP is active... I was thinking the S was the same as the sp. I now know better. I want the SP at the S price. So now I will rethink my options... Sorry guys for the confusion....That's why you shouldn't drink and surf the web.. I was thinking the whole time JOE was crazy when it was me..... LOL
Funkytownstopsix 4:25 PM - 25 September, 2013
I was looking to spend no more than 1400 per sub.
Joee 4:42 PM - 25 September, 2013
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The confusion comes from me being confused... S is non active and SP is active... I was thinking the S was the same as the sp. I now know better. I want the SP at the S price. So now I will rethink my options... Sorry guys for the confusion....That's why you shouldn't drink and surf the web.. I was thinking the whole time JOE was crazy when it was me..... LOL

i see you must have taken that avatar pic when you where posting, damn you took the entire bottle to the head no wonder...........LMAO.........no problem

there is alot of great gear to be had at your price point, it's pretty much a matter of what do you want, it seems you like jbl so i would look into these---> www.agiprodj.com
Funkytownstopsix 5:01 PM - 25 September, 2013
To be honest I just want some good sounding subs I'm not doing concerts but I want me stuff to be nice and felt... I use to own a B52 system that I loved because that was the best sounding sub I ever heard as a matter of fact the only reason I purchased it at the time was because I heard it next to some jbls and k2 subs... killed them..But that thing weighed 180 pounds so I sold it after owning for like a year, don't sleep on the tops they were 10's and sound better than most 15. I see they now make stand alone subs and I also like cerwin vega's as I owned some passive ones back in the day.. Yet nobody here really talks about them for the most part I only hear of jbl, york, rc and a few others. You have any incite on B52's or Crewin Vegas....
Funkytownstopsix 5:02 PM - 25 September, 2013
and yes I am looking for active nothing passive.
Joee 5:12 PM - 25 September, 2013
for me b52 = JUNK the crewin vegas where the shit back in the day when i used the junior earthquake, cant really speak on them today as i've moved to better gear

-----> www.agiprodj.com ,you will be happy with those, they can be found cheaper in the $1,200 range
Funkytownstopsix 5:23 PM - 25 September, 2013
have you heard these subs..... or just going off of jbl rep.
Funkytownstopsix 5:23 PM - 25 September, 2013
you think they are better then the QSC KW181
Joee 5:28 PM - 25 September, 2013
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have you heard these subs..... or just going off of jbl rep.

i'm going off of hearing the prx618xlf which is a awesome sounding sub

the prx718xlf is it's newer replacement, i'd say the jbl and qsc are in the same ballpark, the qsc maybe? a little more compact
djdisbjohn 5:48 PM - 25 September, 2013
The kw181 is more punchy. The xlf sub goes a little lower. The kw181 is nice because it has built in casters.

I had the 618xlf, but then upgraded to vrx918sp. I was able to get it for right at 1500 shipped. You can get the kW for around 1100 and I'm pretty sure you can get the 718xlf for about same
Papa Midnight 5:51 PM - 25 September, 2013
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you think they are better then the QSC KW181

I'm going to openly state that the JBL PRX718XLF sounds better than the QSC KW181.

The QSC KW181, however, is still a great sub, much lighter, compact, and it comes with it's own wheels (mobile guys will appreciate this).
SELECT 7:01 PM - 25 September, 2013
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you think they are better then the QSC KW181

I'm going to openly state that the JBL PRX718XLF sounds better than the QSC KW181.

The QSC KW181, however, is still a great sub, much lighter, compact, and it comes with it's own wheels (mobile guys will appreciate this).


+1
Ive used them all and I'll say the QSC KW181 is the best 18 powered sub for one man consistent mobile work. It's tuned well for its size and does a great job. There a plenty of other options, but price wise and for realistic application you cannot go wrong with it.
Funkytownstopsix 2:39 AM - 26 September, 2013
what about LS801PB yorks.... I can get them in the same price range.
djdisbjohn 2:50 AM - 26 September, 2013
Ls801 is a beast to move if you're doing it by yourself. It does have the best output spl wise for one sub.
pdidy 2:56 AM - 26 September, 2013
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Ls801 is a beast to move if you're doing it by yourself. It does have the best output spl wise for one sub.

yep, you would need 2 of the jbl or qsc to keep up with 1 Ls801.
pdidy 2:57 AM - 26 September, 2013
they're the same subs in my pic...
pdidy 3:02 AM - 26 September, 2013
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Ls801 is a beast to move if you're doing it by yourself.

Which is why im converting to all jbl vrx ;)
the_black_one 6:04 AM - 26 September, 2013
Yorkville till I die as far as subs.. The size ang weight is not a problem to me

NM NH
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:31 PM - 26 September, 2013
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Ls801 is a beast to move if you're doing it by yourself.


Which is why im converting to all jbl vrx ;)


For size and weight for transporting? How many of the VRX's do you think you need to keep up with a pair of your ZXAs?
Joee 1:41 PM - 26 September, 2013
two zxa5 & two vrk918sp work well together! you do have to turn down the zxa5's but it a great sounding system


now if your looking for the vrx's to play as loud as the zx5 you would need at least four & again (AT LEAST FOUR) !!!!!!

i think the yorkvile sub is a better match with the zxa5 it's just not as portable, hands down i think the zxa5/vrx918sp combo is the best portable pro level system you can get without breaking the bank 2 subs & 2 tops cost $6,100
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:55 PM - 26 September, 2013
That's still a pretty penny.
Was just curious based on how loud you guys say the ZXAs are. Finally convicned the wife to let me get a pair, just gonna wait till the new year though! I think I'm gonna go with the yorkville. 1 to start then a 2nd down the road.
Joee 2:02 PM - 26 September, 2013
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That's still a pretty penny.

not for what your getting, you will have a system with ample headroom & be able to blow just about any of dj's system out the water, not all dj's roll like pdidy......lol

on top of that it's is a very small portable system that you can carry & load in/load out buy yourself

the york is nice it just too much too deal with (for me), thats why i never got them think the end of the gig 1 or 2 am & you have to carry 2 yorks alone
Joee 2:05 PM - 26 September, 2013
i'm sorry that system would be $5,600 NOT $6,100.....again a great system for the price!
Joee 2:06 PM - 26 September, 2013
zxa5 can be found for $1,300

vrx918sp can be found for $1,500
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:09 PM - 26 September, 2013
I know you buy at PAS, but I live in NY, so I would have to pay tax on all that. That's like another $500 just in taxes
Joee 2:26 PM - 26 September, 2013
i know your a RCF guy who loves the sound of the 3 series, but you feel that you need a little more SPL

you might want to look at these

this one can be had for around $800--> www.rcf.it

this one i'm not sure of price--> www.rcf.it

than you could add another 718 later, just something to think about
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:41 PM - 26 September, 2013
Def like RCF's, no doubt about it. I mentioned before that I'm starting to get bigger parties and I figured if I am going to make the investment into a higher powered top, might as well go with the EV. Unfortuneatly I have never been able to hear one since I haven't found one anywhere, but from what you guys tell me it will be more than I ever need and then some. I got a good price on my 312s, so if I get rid of those and just do the EV's Ill be in perfect shape for some of those smaller parties not having to bring a sub.

The subs I was def going to wait in and see if it was worth selling my 718s to get the yorkvilles or just add another 1 or 2 718s. That's further down the line. Id rather do the tops first.
Taipanic 3:24 PM - 26 September, 2013
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That's still a pretty penny.
Was just curious based on how loud you guys say the ZXAs are. Finally convicned the wife to let me get a pair, just gonna wait till the new year though! I think I'm gonna go with the yorkville. 1 to start then a 2nd down the road.


That is my current rig - 1 LS800p & a pair of ZXa5s. Keep the EVs at -12 db and the sub all the way up & centered and it will provide a pretty balanced sound for Wedding/small party type dance volume. Club levels, as stated above, will require another 2-3 Yorkvilles. If you are behind the speakers, you might also need a monitor as all you will hear is bass.
Dj Nyce 4:01 PM - 26 September, 2013
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two zxa5 & two vrk918sp work well together! you do have to turn down the zxa5's but it a great sounding system


now if your looking for the vrx's to play as loud as the zx5 you would need at least four & again (AT LEAST FOUR) !!!!!!

i think the yorkvile sub is a better match with the zxa5 it's just not as portable, hands down i think the zxa5/vrx918sp combo is the best portable pro level system you can get without breaking the bank 2 subs & 2 tops cost $6,100


i think this is the best system one can get. i can't get wait to get me some vrx918sp's!
Joee 4:42 PM - 26 September, 2013
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two zxa5 & two vrk918sp work well together! you do have to turn down the zxa5's but it a great sounding system


now if your looking for the vrx's to play as loud as the zx5 you would need at least four & again (AT LEAST FOUR) !!!!!!

i think the yorkvile sub is a better match with the zxa5 it's just not as portable, hands down i think the zxa5/vrx918sp combo is the best portable pro level system you can get without breaking the bank 2 subs & 2 tops cost $6,100


i think this is the best system one can get. i can't get wait to get me some vrx918sp's!

yes!!!! again for the money $5,600, but if you had money to burn this system can be beat
pdidy 4:54 PM - 26 September, 2013
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Quote:
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two zxa5 & two vrk918sp work well together! you do have to turn down the zxa5's but it a great sounding system


now if your looking for the vrx's to play as loud as the zx5 you would need at least four & again (AT LEAST FOUR) !!!!!!

i think the yorkvile sub is a better match with the zxa5 it's just not as portable, hands down i think the zxa5/vrx918sp combo is the best portable pro level system you can get without breaking the bank 2 subs & 2 tops cost $6,100


i think this is the best system one can get. i can't get wait to get me some vrx918sp's!

yes!!!! again for the money $5,600, but if you had money to burn this system can be beat

Sure this system can be beat........The difficult part is keeping it MOBILE.
Find a sub that can out preform the JBL VRX918sp But remains mobile at 85lbs or less ?
Joee 4:58 PM - 26 September, 2013
Thats what i said MAN! .............lol
pdidy 5:18 PM - 26 September, 2013
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Thats what i said MAN! .............lol

I no, I was agreeing with you...
Joee 5:23 PM - 26 September, 2013
lol......sorry i'm a bit confrontational today
pdidy 5:33 PM - 26 September, 2013
The JBL VRX932LAP www.sweetwater.com is one of the least expensive tops that can beat the EV zxa5 and it costs about $2600 per speaker...lol. But it wont beat the zxa5 in bass.

BTW...Im gona need about 4 of these.
Joee 5:39 PM - 26 September, 2013
when all is said and done you gonna have $16,000 in pa, but damn thats gonna be a sweet set up MOBILE loud & bass heavy, should cover you no matter what gig you have even outdoors pretty nice
Funkytownstopsix 3:49 AM - 27 September, 2013
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zxa5 can be found for $1,300

vrx918sp can be found for $1,500

Where for 1500?
Funkytownstopsix 3:58 AM - 27 September, 2013
Damn York sub 137pounds. I see y vrx is the choice
the_black_one 4:27 AM - 27 September, 2013
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Damn York sub 137pounds. I see y vrx is the choice


what model are you looking at ?


NM NH
SG SOUNDS 11:29 AM - 27 September, 2013
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So I have made up my mind to buy a pair of VRX918s my only questions is : ) I am a mobile Dj playing to crowds the size of 100-250 mostly weddings and small parities would two VRX918s be suffice for such events. I have more subs but just trying to go as light as possible.


1 yorkville ls800p would of been more than enough for that crowd..always good to have more than enough than not enough..
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:15 PM - 27 September, 2013
+1

I was doing a small party at a hall (maybe 60-70 ppl) and when we were done packing up I took a look at the sweet 16 playing in the other room. Had to be about 200 ppl in more of a long narrow room. Dance floor was packed and I slipped in through the kitchen in the back to see what was going on. DJ had 1 yorkville sub and I was able to hear and feel it in the back of the room through all those people and i would say about 75 ft away. They pack a big punch.
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:15 PM - 27 September, 2013
That's why when people say you need like 3 or 4 yorkvilles to keep up with a pair of EV's, I can't even imagine how loud those get!! lol
Joee 1:26 PM - 27 September, 2013
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That's why when people say you need like 3 or 4 yorkvilles to keep up with a pair of EV's, I can't even imagine how loud those get!! lol

the ZX3---> www.electrovoice.com is a awsome little speaker also, i wish ev would make a ZXA3
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:02 PM - 27 September, 2013
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That's why when people say you need like 3 or 4 yorkvilles to keep up with a pair of EV's, I can't even imagine how loud those get!! lol


the ZX3---> www.electrovoice.com is a awsome little speaker also, i wish ev would make a ZXA3


Yes, that would be perfect!!! I wonder why they never did. Def not going back to passive though.
Taipanic 2:47 PM - 27 September, 2013
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That's why when people say you need like 3 or 4 yorkvilles to keep up with a pair of EV's, I can't even imagine how loud those get!! lol

the ZX3---> www.electrovoice.com is a awsome little speaker also, i wish ev would make a ZXA3


+1
My sx200s are a really good match for a single LS800. Nice, Balanced sound all the way to max volume. The ZXa5s sound OK with a single LS800 at medium volume - with the EVs set to -12 and the sub at max output.
Funkytownstopsix 3:11 PM - 30 September, 2013
@DIDDY

So let me get this correct the Yorkville LS800P 1" x 18" 1500W Powered Subwoofer
are what you have/had and now you have switched over to the JBL VRX918SP Powered 1500 Watts Powered Sub can you tell the difference in sound meaning do they sound the same. Of course it would be a little cheaper going with a ls800 but the weight is a major factor in that....UR TAKE.
Funkytownstopsix 3:51 PM - 30 September, 2013
I guess I should say if weight was not an issue which sub would you use?

if you say york then I have my mind made up on this. www.northerntool.com
Funkytownstopsix 3:57 PM - 30 September, 2013
www.northerntool.com I was kidding about this it weights more then both speakers combined.. :)
SELECT 4:19 PM - 30 September, 2013
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@DIDDY

So let me get this correct the Yorkville LS800P 1" x 18" 1500W Powered Subwoofer
are what you have/had and now you have switched over to the JBL VRX918SP Powered 1500 Watts Powered Sub can you tell the difference in sound meaning do they sound the same. Of course it would be a little cheaper going with a ls800 but the weight is a major factor in that....UR TAKE.


You should definitely read up on subwoofer designs. The Yorkville is horn loaded while the JBL is a bass reflex. Completely different sound and impact on the dancefloor. Watts are really what it takes to move the subwoofer, not necessarly the "loudness" of a speaker. Some speakers need more juice to get em moving while others are more effecient and dont require as much power basically.
pdidy 9:31 PM - 30 September, 2013
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I guess I should say if weight was not an issue which sub would you use?

yorkville.
ancientyouth 9:35 PM - 30 September, 2013
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@DIDDY

So let me get this correct the Yorkville LS800P 1" x 18" 1500W Powered Subwoofer
are what you have/had and now you have switched over to the JBL VRX918SP Powered 1500 Watts Powered Sub can you tell the difference in sound meaning do they sound the same. Of course it would be a little cheaper going with a ls800 but the weight is a major factor in that....UR TAKE.


Yorkvilles are slightly louder and boomier .

the jbl's have tight, more defined bass , yet low bass you can feel.

folded horns are designed to be used in stacks of 3 or 6( to get down to 30hz) stack them on their sides with the mouths together and the performance is exponential

Would love to hear a proper stack of yorkville elites
the_black_one 10:08 PM - 30 September, 2013
I got 4 yorkies and looking for another two....
Heard the jbls vrx and they don't compare
NM NH
DJ GaFFle 10:11 PM - 30 September, 2013
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Yorkvilles are slightly louder and boomier .

Only "slightly" louder?
pdidy 10:21 PM - 30 September, 2013
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Yorkvilles are slightly louder and boomier .

Only "slightly" louder?

That's an understatement.....they are significantly louder. When played side by side, you would wonder if the jbl vrx is even on. The vrx can never be compared to the yorkville on an even scale.
the_black_one 10:28 PM - 30 September, 2013
Yorkies X 6

You would need I would say

Jbl vrx X 10


To Mach in loudness
the_black_one 10:29 PM - 30 September, 2013
NM NH
Joee 10:37 PM - 30 September, 2013
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Yorkies X 6

You would need I would say

Jbl vrx X 10


To Mach in loudness

carrying 10 vrx's is easer than carrying 5 yorks, and that is why i chose vrx
Joee 10:37 PM - 30 September, 2013
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Yorkies X 6

You would need I would say

Jbl vrx X 10


To Mach in loudness

carrying 10 vrx's is easer than carrying 5 yorks, and that is why i chose vrx
the_black_one 10:48 PM - 30 September, 2013
Listen here... Once you get in the game and you need that kind if sound you needs the right means of transporting it... The yorks have wheels too and with a a helper it's no bug deal... Some of you act like the yorks are made out of concrete .... All this light subs and light power speakers have spoiled you...


NM NH
Joee 10:51 PM - 30 September, 2013
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.... All this light subs and light power speakers have spoiled you...


NM NH

lol
the_black_one 10:52 PM - 30 September, 2013
Sorry ... Fucking auto correct

NM NH
pdidy 11:17 PM - 30 September, 2013
I've been providing sound systems to djs with yorkville sub for many years so they have become very accustomed an spoiled with the output they can produce. For most gigs all they needed was 2 yorkville 801p and they had all the output they wanted with no complaints. The magic number was 3 vrx vs 2 yorkville 801p when most djs started to appreciate the sound quality of the vrx over the yorkville. They could now get close to the output of the yorkville and hear LOW bass notes that the yorkville could not produce. MOST DJS and clients never missed these lower bass frequencies because they have never experienced them at a loud volume. My 4th vrx totally changed a lot of djs perception of "BASS" and sound quality. But as you can see, this comes at a much greater cost.
pdidy 12:55 AM - 1 October, 2013
In my particular case, I've chosen to pick portability over output because I now want the ability to work totally unassisted even when BIG sound is required. This now cuts my dependance and cost of assistance (roadies) over the life span of this system. This comes to about $50-150 per gig saved over the next 5-6 years. 4 vrx can be easily be pushed, stacked and rolled into a venue in one trip requiring one person. Where as the yorkville is 1 speaker per person per trip. Also if a venue has some stairs, its not a total deal breaker even if you are solo (shit happens even when you've done ya research). But if these particulars don't apply to you, the yorkville is much more cost effective and no one will EVER complain about them not being LOUD enough or sounding good.
Dj Nyce 2:19 AM - 1 October, 2013
i used two yorkies last new years. i love em. they sound amazing. the weight tho killed it for me. i'm glad this thread got created because i wanted an alternative because i do a lot of gigs solo.
Joee 11:35 AM - 1 October, 2013
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In my particular case, I've chosen to pick portability over output because I now want the ability to work totally unassisted even when BIG sound is required. This now cuts my dependance and cost of assistance (roadies) over the life span of this system. This comes to about $50-150 per gig saved over the next 5-6 years. 4 vrx can be easily be pushed, stacked and rolled into a venue in one trip requiring one person. Where as the yorkville is 1 speaker per person per trip. Also if a venue has some stairs, its not a total deal breaker even if you are solo (shit happens even when you've done ya research). But if these particulars don't apply to you, the yorkville is much more cost effective and no one will EVER complain about them not being LOUD enough or sounding good.


^ this


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i used two yorkies last new years. i love em. they sound amazing. the weight tho killed it for me. i'm glad this thread got created because i wanted an alternative because i do a lot of gigs solo.

^ & this


85lbs subs & 50lbs tops, a easy one man job
SELECT 2:56 PM - 1 October, 2013
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In my particular case, I've chosen to pick portability over output because I now want the ability to work totally unassisted even when BIG sound is required. This now cuts my dependance and cost of assistance (roadies) over the life span of this system. This comes to about $50-150 per gig saved over the next 5-6 years. 4 vrx can be easily be pushed, stacked and rolled into a venue in one trip requiring one person. Where as the yorkville is 1 speaker per person per trip. Also if a venue has some stairs, its not a total deal breaker even if you are solo (shit happens even when you've done ya research). But if these particulars don't apply to you, the yorkville is much more cost effective and no one will EVER complain about them not being LOUD enough or sounding good.


^ this


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i used two yorkies last new years. i love em. they sound amazing. the weight tho killed it for me. i'm glad this thread got created because i wanted an alternative because i do a lot of gigs solo.

^ & this


85lbs subs & 50lbs tops, a easy one man job


+1
Ive got my last Wedding booked this year coming up and the venue is two floors with no elevators. Everyone I know is busy so in this case the weight of my equipment is a life saver. The speakers/subs alone are 4 trips up and down by myself!
Funkytownstopsix 5:48 PM - 1 October, 2013
As far as stairs in my contract they have to pay extra and that is if I take it because of the stairs. So money won't come out of my pocket. Yet I really want the boom without paying the boom price. If I could get VRX's for 1500 I would get them so currently I am leaning towards the yorks. If one man can handle them then no big issue I have a dolly... on trip for both. On the other hand 85 pounds sounds so damn good compared to the latter. FUDGE....
DJ GaFFle 6:45 PM - 1 October, 2013
I don't think one man can lift a York LS801P or it's not safe to do so, especially at the end of the night coming from a gig. Yes, they have wheels or one could use a dolly but at some point, you have to lift them into your vehicle; that's a 2-man job. Generally, you gotta have big cabinetry for that big bass sound, if not, you'll pay a premium for designs that'll do it (ie: Danley Sound Labs).

Do you own a trailer? Owning one of those, with a ramp instead of doors, would be in favor of the Yorks. If I were in your position, I'd look at my gig types and decide from there. Sound quality will be much more in favor of the VRX's. Beast-mode bass output will be for the Yorkies.

(nm)
Funkytownstopsix 8:05 PM - 1 October, 2013
yeah I have truck and trailer...not enclosed though but I will think about it a little longer before bying. I use to left my b52 system and it weighed more...
Funkytownstopsix 8:07 PM - 1 October, 2013
use to lift my b52 system and it weighed more...
Dj Nyce 9:54 PM - 1 October, 2013
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I don't think one man can lift a York LS801P or it's not safe to do so, especially at the end of the night coming from a gig. Yes, they have wheels or one could use a dolly but at some point, you have to lift them into your vehicle; that's a 2-man job. Generally, you gotta have big cabinetry for that big bass sound, if not, you'll pay a premium for designs that'll do it (ie: Danley Sound Labs).

Do you own a trailer? Owning one of those, with a ramp instead of doors, would be in favor of the Yorks. If I were in your position, I'd look at my gig types and decide from there. Sound quality will be much more in favor of the VRX's. Beast-mode bass output will be for the Yorkies.

(nm)


i lifted both about 3 feet of the ground into a cargo van. i took 8 years off my spine.
Funkytownstopsix 12:11 AM - 2 October, 2013
DAMNNNNN!!!!!!!
Joee 12:14 AM - 2 October, 2013
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I don't think one man can lift a York LS801P or it's not safe to do so, especially at the end of the night coming from a gig. Yes, they have wheels or one could use a dolly but at some point, you have to lift them into your vehicle; that's a 2-man job. Generally, you gotta have big cabinetry for that big bass sound, if not, you'll pay a premium for designs that'll do it (ie: Danley Sound Labs).

Do you own a trailer? Owning one of those, with a ramp instead of doors, would be in favor of the Yorks. If I were in your position, I'd look at my gig types and decide from there. Sound quality will be much more in favor of the VRX's. Beast-mode bass output will be for the Yorkies.

(nm)



i lifted both about 3 feet of the ground into a cargo van. i took 8 years off my spine.

vrx time if your in ny you already know were i like to shop $1,500
Joee 12:14 AM - 2 October, 2013
^ maybe even the new prx718xlf?
Funkytownstopsix 12:15 AM - 2 October, 2013
I live in texas..... not happen around here..
djdisbjohn 12:33 AM - 2 October, 2013
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I live in texas..... not happen around here..

U can order and have it delivered for about 1500. I can get it in Texas for 1500+tax
pdidy 12:41 AM - 2 October, 2013
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i used two yorkies last new years. i love em. they sound amazing. .

The output of of 2 yorkville ls801p is the scale by which I judge all other "DJ speakers" in its price range. So If anybody is trying to equal that output using good quality small subs, just go ahead and accept the fact that you will need to spend at least 2 x the price of 2 yorkvilles. The big question is "is it worth it" ?
Taipanic 12:44 AM - 2 October, 2013
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I don't think one man can lift a York LS801P or it's not safe to do so, especially at the end of the night coming from a gig. Yes, they have wheels or one could use a dolly but at some point, you have to lift them into your vehicle; that's a 2-man job. Generally, you gotta have big cabinetry for that big bass sound, if not, you'll pay a premium for designs that'll do it (ie: Danley Sound Labs).

Do you own a trailer? Owning one of those, with a ramp instead of doors, would be in favor of the Yorks. If I were in your position, I'd look at my gig types and decide from there. Sound quality will be much more in favor of the VRX's. Beast-mode bass output will be for the Yorkies.

(nm)


i lifted both about 3 feet of the ground into a cargo van. i took 8 years off my spine.


I lift a single LS800p in and out of my HHR Panel 4-12 times a week, usually by myself. It does suck but I feel the sound is worth it. Looking to get an enclosed trailer with a ramp though - the HHR will only hold one Yorkie, not enough room for two.
Funkytownstopsix 12:39 PM - 2 October, 2013
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I live in texas..... not happen around here..

U can order and have it delivered for about 1500. I can get it in Texas for 1500+tax

Shoot me the info..... that does include shipping...? Cause on the back end they may charge me 4 grand taxes and shipping in the end...:( FUDGEN TAX

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I lift a single LS800p in and out of my HHR Panel 4-12 times a week, usually by myself. It does suck but I feel the sound is worth it. Looking to get an enclosed trailer with a ramp though - the HHR will only hold one Yorkie, not enough room for two.
Then there is hope for me LOL... I have never seen one in person so I don't know if it is easy or awkward to lift one..... other than the weight that is.

Side note there has been a lot of good info put out on this thread, I never really concerned myslef som much with the sound for me if it sounded good I was cool. Now I know better as I have learned a lot from this tread I am now really paying attention to how I set stuff up... I have never set my system up with subs in center cluster mostly because I don't want to carry the speaker stand the single pole was much easier to stack them on top of the sub which meant no cluster,,, not to mention it always sounded pretty good that way....I did an event this weekend and for the first time I took one sub and set it up in the center I have to admit it sounded much better so can't wait to set both subs up like that. I never thought that subs set up wrong could cancel each other... So learning is fundamental. Thanks to all for the good info...
DJ GaFFle 1:25 PM - 2 October, 2013
Yep... I'mma gear nerd but I chime in to help everyone achieve better sound. (nm)
Joee 1:31 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Yep... I'mma gear nerd but I chime in to help everyone achieve better sound. (nm)

i think well all have a passion for it & try to help out as best we can

back to the speaker the york is a beast just a pain to lug around alone, go to your local guitar center and demo the new prx700 series you might like it
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:46 PM - 2 October, 2013
The york is def a pain in the ass but depends on what you have to move it in and out of. I have a cargo van so I think getting in and out will be pretty easy. Another guy i work with has them and showed me a trick to getting them in a van without really killing yourself.

You go up behind it (nm) and grip the top near the grills and lean back. That will lift up the bottom and you should be able to lift it enough to rest of the lip of the van. Then just slide in. I havne't tried it but I saw him do it and it didn't seem to bad at all.
SG SOUNDS 7:25 PM - 3 October, 2013
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The york is def a pain in the ass but depends on what you have to move it in and out of. I have a cargo van so I think getting in and out will be pretty easy. Another guy i work with has them and showed me a trick to getting them in a van without really killing yourself.

You go up behind it (nm) and grip the top near the grills and lean back. That will lift up the bottom and you should be able to lift it enough to rest of the lip of the van. Then just slide in. I havne't tried it but I saw him do it and it didn't seem to bad at all.


This is exactly how i lift mines in and out of my van with no problems...then i would roll it on its wheels to where ever i want to put it....very simple and any i person could do this..
Taipanic 10:07 PM - 3 October, 2013
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The york is def a pain in the ass but depends on what you have to move it in and out of. I have a cargo van so I think getting in and out will be pretty easy. Another guy i work with has them and showed me a trick to getting them in a van without really killing yourself.

You go up behind it (nm) and grip the top near the grills and lean back. That will lift up the bottom and you should be able to lift it enough to rest of the lip of the van. Then just slide in. I havne't tried it but I saw him do it and it didn't seem to bad at all.


This is exactly how i lift mines in and out of my van with no problems...then i would roll it on its wheels to where ever i want to put it....very simple and any i person could do this..


Mine has to go on it's side so I have the grill facing the outside wall of the truck. I grab the handle on the side, tilt the speaker forward and lift it until I can get the front in past the gate latch. I then lift the rear higher by pushing up on the wheel bracket. Getting it out, I slide it out enough to brace it on my bent thigh, spin sideways until the truck is cleared, then set it down on it's side. Stand it up and wheel it away. (NH, NM)
slimmjimm 4:46 AM - 6 October, 2013
Sometimes if I have to load Yorks solo I tilt them in, or rather roll onto the bumper of the cargo van. We have a few large plastic pieces in the van, and it makes sliding it in so much easier. It works, and it's slightly less life sucking this way.

nm
Geckoeater 4:59 PM - 21 October, 2013
Hey guys I am new to the forum and had some questions. I have a small bar and I am trying to build our audio system up, the building is a narrow and long bar built in the early 1900's with the dimension of 20ft x 130ft with 15 ft ceilings. I just purchased 2 EV Live ELX 115 for tops and I am looking to purchase subs. I will not be moving equipment around much so size doesn't bother me. Will 1 Yorkville LS2104 be enough for this venue for a while I save up for a second.
pdidy 5:29 PM - 21 October, 2013
One sub is better than no sub.......
Geckoeater 5:33 PM - 21 October, 2013
We have been using 2 Yamaha SW218V powered by a Crown xti 4000 how comparable would this single be to the Yamaha's..
DJ GaFFle 7:43 PM - 21 October, 2013
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One sub is better than no sub.......

And that one LS21xx sub should be no slouch.
Funkytownstopsix 7:55 PM - 21 October, 2013
where did ls21xx come from?
Funkytownstopsix 7:55 PM - 21 October, 2013
shit what is a ls21xx,,,,,
Funkytownstopsix 7:56 PM - 21 October, 2013
blahhh drinking too much.... got it Gaffle
Funkytownstopsix 8:07 PM - 21 October, 2013
www.bing.com now I leaning toward the yorks... :)
Joee 8:24 PM - 21 October, 2013
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blahhh drinking too much.... got it Gaffle

his avatar says it all
Funkytownstopsix 3:08 PM - 23 October, 2013
anyone got a chance to hear JBL PRX718XLF compaired to yorks....?
DJ GaFFle 3:41 PM - 23 October, 2013
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anyone got a chance to hear JBL PRX718XLF compaired to yorks....?

Not me but it should be no different than any JBL PRX618-XLF or QSC 18" (KW or HPR)...

The Yorkville will be:
... nearly twice/double as loud, unit vs. unit.
... easily perceived to carry bass farther.
... nearly 40 lbs. heavier.
... more one-note sounding'ish and not as musical.
... not as deep sounding on the lowest bass notes.
the_black_one 7:56 PM - 23 October, 2013
Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH
the_black_one 8:01 PM - 23 October, 2013
And some ev zlx 12p

NM NH
SELECT 8:03 PM - 23 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.
pdidy 8:06 PM - 23 October, 2013
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anyone got a chance to hear JBL PRX718XLF compaired to yorks....?

You should expect results similar to my original post.
the_black_one 9:25 PM - 23 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.


800 's and I have a cargo van with ramps

NM NH
DJ GaFFle 9:43 PM - 23 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.


800 's and I have a cargo van with ramps

NM NH

My boy, who's a sales manager at Sam Ash, actually just called me about the LS801P. He said a guy just received one purchased thru SA and had to have it because somebody blew him out the parking lot while DJ'ing at a tailgate party, LoL. No replacement for displacement...

That guy was looking for help with a loading / unloading solution for the Yorkie. I use to use a foldable dog ramp back in the day for my old HPR's. Not sure how that would hold up with a 127 lb. Yorkie. (nm)
DJ GaFFle 9:46 PM - 23 October, 2013
... that other DJ, at the tailgate party, had a single LS800P and the embarrassed dude was running a pair of Mackie HD1801s.
pdidy 11:25 PM - 23 October, 2013
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... that other DJ, at the tailgate party, had a single LS800P and the embarrassed dude was running a pair of Mackie HD1801s.

I'm not surprised , the yorkville has serious advantage outside over all the basic dj speakers.
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:33 AM - 24 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.


800 's and I have a cargo van with ramps

NM NH


What kind of ramp?? I have a Chevy express 1500 and would get a ramp for it when I get Yorkies next year. Got a link??
the_black_one 4:05 AM - 24 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.


800 's and I have a cargo van with ramps

NM NH


What kind of ramp?? I have a Chevy express 1500 and would get a ramp for it when I get Yorkies next year. Got a link??


legit and foldable

NM NH
the_black_one 4:05 AM - 24 October, 2013
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Just picked up 2 more yorkies

NM MH


Nice, what model? Also how are you transporting them? Im considering getting a new truck with a lot more room and cargo load. If I do I might just end up with some Yorkville subs.


800 's and I have a cargo van with ramps

NM NH


What kind of ramp?? I have a Chevy express 1500 and would get a ramp for it when I get Yorkies next year. Got a link??



legit and foldable www.emedramps.com




NM NH
the_black_one 4:13 AM - 24 October, 2013
and here are the pics of my new cabinets

s638.photobucket.com


NM NH
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:17 PM - 24 October, 2013
Awesome thanks for the link. you have the 5ft one?
Joee 1:20 PM - 24 October, 2013
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and here are the pics of my new cabinets

s638.photobucket.com


NM NH

ahhhhhh my back..........lol
Joee 1:20 PM - 24 October, 2013
^nh
DJ GaFFle 1:28 PM - 24 October, 2013
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and here are the pics of my new cabinets

s638.photobucket.com


NM NH

So you have LS801P's for subs and ZLX 12's for tops? Talk about BaSS heavy sound system, LoL. You won't be able to hear those tops when those subs are on stomp mode.

(nm)
Funkytownstopsix 1:53 PM - 24 October, 2013
Ok I found out yesterday that I don't want JBL PRX718XLF : ) I talk to someone and asked the question 718xlf vs VRX told me they are not even close to being in the same class... Now with Gaffle and Pdidy already co-singing yorks being worth every dime and give the kinda bass I want I have made my decision and going with the Yorks. I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

Now for transport and lift I am looking at a few options but will most likely go with the TGL-500 lift. For those who have trucks and want some ideas check out the links I think you might find that there one you can use. I prefer not to take a trailer if I can..so that's why I have these other ideas and for those who have cars just put a trailer hitch on yours and you can use at least two to the options.

www.etrailer.com

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

www.harborfreight.com
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:04 PM - 24 October, 2013
lol @ stomp mode
DJ GaFFle 2:09 PM - 24 October, 2013
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Ok I found out yesterday that I don't want JBL PRX718XLF : ) I talk to someone and asked the question 718xlf vs VRX told me they are not even close to being in the same class... Now with Gaffle and Pdidy already co-singing yorks being worth every dime and give the kinda bass I want I have made my decision and going with the Yorks. I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

Now for transport and lift I am looking at a few options but will most likely go with the TGL-500 lift. For those who have trucks and want some ideas check out the links I think you might find that there one you can use. I prefer not to take a trailer if I can..so that's why I have these other ideas and for those who have cars just put a trailer hitch on yours and you can use at least two to the options.

www.etrailer.com

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

www.harborfreight.com

Dang dude... nice research! (nm)
Joee 2:17 PM - 24 October, 2013
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I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

you sure you don't want another bottle.........lol, just messing with you
SELECT 2:24 PM - 24 October, 2013
Seems like a awful lot of work and extra stuff just to work with Yorkville subs. I gotta think about all the venues with no elevators, ramps and more importantly getting them in and out of my house. I dont have help most of the time either.
Joee 2:26 PM - 24 October, 2013
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Seems like a awful lot of work and extra stuff just to work with Yorkville subs. I gotta think about all the venues with no elevators, ramps and more importantly getting them in and out of my house. I dont have help most of the time either.

this is why i never bought yorks, vrx918sp was my choice
DJ GaFFle 2:47 PM - 24 October, 2013
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Seems like a awful lot of work and extra stuff just to work with Yorkville subs. I gotta think about all the venues with no elevators, ramps and more importantly getting them in and out of my house. I dont have help most of the time either.

... yeah BUT when you're in a parking lot / outside event with a pair of Yorks vs. a DJ with the typical 18's... you'll be heard from far away while they'll be wearing their envy suit.

You'll be back to bitter when it's pack up time. :-)

(nm)
JDforKing 2:56 PM - 24 October, 2013
All this yorkie talk...how often do you that have them use them? I'm thinking its not really worth the hassle if you're not using them often. I would prefer to have 2 subs like a vrx or prx that are easier to transport.
DJ GaFFle 2:58 PM - 24 October, 2013
^^^ True...
Taipanic 3:04 PM - 24 October, 2013
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... that other DJ, at the tailgate party, had a single LS800P and the embarrassed dude was running a pair of Mackie HD1801s.


Sounds like my tailgate, I crush the DJs on the other side of the lot running single LS800 & ZXa5s @-12db. Not trying to, the sound just carries so good.
the_black_one 3:23 PM - 24 October, 2013
Tops for the yorks are zxa5
The zlx12p are for kicks

Nm nh
JDforKing 3:40 PM - 24 October, 2013
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... that other DJ, at the tailgate party, had a single LS800P and the embarrassed dude was running a pair of Mackie HD1801s.


Sounds like my tailgate, I crush the DJs on the other side of the lot running single LS800 & ZXa5s @-12db. Not trying to, the sound just carries so good.


If you do one tailgate a year, whats the point? This isn't a competition. I'm trying to understand when and what people are using these huge speakers for. Pdiddy is the only one i've gathered that does events with the yorkies on a regular basis, but i think he's using the vrx's more now.
Funkytownstopsix 4:08 PM - 24 October, 2013
The reason I am passing on the VRX is because of this.

PDidy SAID
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Did a party a week ago in a venue were i always use 1 yorkville ls801 with great results.. ........but tonite i put the JBL VRX918p to the test...i pushed the JBL VRX918p to max but could not achieve the the desired spl 1 yorkville ls801 would do with eeeeeease. When it comes to spl, Ive learned you need 2 JBL VRX918p to replace 1 yorkville ls801.

+ 1 for yorkville.


Price wise I could buy 3 maybe 4 yorks for what you would pay for 2 vrx's 40 more pounds is no big deal as a matter of fact I think I can handle 140 pounds I use to handle a b52 system that weighed more but guys on here are saying its ruff. Not only that 2 prx =1 york and to the fact I want major bass so for me it's a wrap.. That lift can come in handy for a lot more than djing so I'm cool with. More bass put's smiles on face. to each his own.
Funkytownstopsix 4:10 PM - 24 October, 2013
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Ok I found out yesterday that I don't want JBL PRX718XLF : ) I talk to someone and asked the question 718xlf vs VRX told me they are not even close to being in the same class... Now with Gaffle and Pdidy already co-singing yorks being worth every dime and give the kinda bass I want I have made my decision and going with the Yorks. I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

Now for transport and lift I am looking at a few options but will most likely go with the TGL-500 lift. For those who have trucks and want some ideas check out the links I think you might find that there one you can use. I prefer not to take a trailer if I can..so that's why I have these other ideas and for those who have cars just put a trailer hitch on yours and you can use at least two to the options.

www.etrailer.com

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

www.harborfreight.com

Dang dude... nice research! (nm)


This is what happens when you don't drink and surf the web.
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:16 PM - 24 October, 2013
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All this yorkie talk...how often do you that have them use them? I'm thinking its not really worth the hassle if you're not using them often. I would prefer to have 2 subs like a vrx or prx that are easier to transport.


If (and when) I get them. I would say they would be on at least 75% of my jobs. So figure around 30 or so a year. Maybe more.
Joee 4:17 PM - 24 October, 2013
^ witch is why i said this
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I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

you sure you don't want another bottle.........lol, just messing with you
JDforKing 4:27 PM - 24 October, 2013
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All this yorkie talk...how often do you that have them use them? I'm thinking its not really worth the hassle if you're not using them often. I would prefer to have 2 subs like a vrx or prx that are easier to transport.


If (and when) I get them. I would say they would be on at least 75% of my jobs. So figure around 30 or so a year. Maybe more.


Definitely makes sense for you, but i have a feeling you're the exception.
the_black_one 4:39 PM - 24 October, 2013
One York... Less hassle to carry than two any other subs

NM NH
DJ GaFFle 5:00 PM - 24 October, 2013
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Definitely makes sense for you, but i have a feeling you're the exception.

I use to run a pair of QSC HPR181i's. Even clustered, when doing proms, they underachieved IMO. When those limit lights would come on, I'd always have to back the sound down and wish for more. I sold them and got a single TH-115 and it was a wrap; no more crowds dancing right on top of the subs and sucking up all the bass. At 160 lbs., my newer TH-118's are heavy but their height, handles and quality wheels make up for it.

How do you feel if/when you DJ for larger crowds and your subs start peaking early or you find your pair of typical bass-reflex style subs are inadequate? I think it's best if you've got at least a pair or more Yorks and at least a single 'regular' sub for smaller events. Best of both worlds. Lots of DJs may not have the space or money for all that so it can be a tough choice.

(nm)
Funkytownstopsix 5:05 PM - 24 October, 2013
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I will get them in December as a Christmas Present to myself.

you sure you don't want another bottle.........lol, just messing with you


:) I have to take that...
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One York... Less hassle to carry than two any other subs

NM NH

My thinking as well,,,,,
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How do you feel if/when you DJ for larger crowds and your subs start peaking early or you find your pair of typical bass-reflex style subs are inadequate? I think it's best if you've got at least a pair or more Yorks and at least a single 'regular' sub for smaller events


This has happen to me twice each time I I wish I had gone bigger on my subs. At least now when i do an outdoor event I won't feel uneasy about it...Both those time I was dj gigs for motorcycle functions to many damn people..
Taipanic 5:06 PM - 24 October, 2013
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All this yorkie talk...how often do you that have them use them? I'm thinking its not really worth the hassle if you're not using them often. I would prefer to have 2 subs like a vrx or prx that are easier to transport.


If (and when) I get them. I would say they would be on at least 75% of my jobs. So figure around 30 or so a year. Maybe more.


Definitely makes sense for you, but i have a feeling you're the exception.


I take at least one Yorkville to every gig. Even with ZXa5s, the sound is just so much better with a sub. Went to a company party the other night, DJ had EV SXa250s, no subs. The sound did not permeate through the room and became harsh when turned up. I can't believe so many DJs are willing to sacrifice sound quality to get out of a little extra work...
the_black_one 5:11 PM - 24 October, 2013
Yep...


NM NH
JDforKing 5:35 PM - 24 October, 2013
I guess its all about the cost benefit. If i only dj 2 proms a year then i will rent larger subs if need be. I do about 30 mobile gigs a year and i rarely get to use my jbl prx 718s. I bought them 4 years ago and have probably used them a total of 12 times. Most of my mobiles gigs are weddings in smaller venues. I can honestly say the largest mobile gig i've done is probably 350 people. I also work in clubs 4 times a week and use the clubs sound.

I guess it has a lot to do with the market.
the_black_one 6:58 PM - 24 October, 2013
Just saying ... Back in the day we used to haul around very heavy shit with a heavy ass amp rack.... The yorks are a dream for someone with some balls....


NM NH
Funkytownstopsix 4:10 PM - 25 October, 2013
Since you guys are pro's what do you think is the best way to set up subs when there is a stage on the floor in front of the stage or on the stage. The stage could be any where from 3 to 10 foot tall. I plan on putting them in the center cluster.
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:51 PM - 25 October, 2013
on the floor in front of the stage center cluster
pdidy 8:03 PM - 25 October, 2013
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on the floor in front of the stage center cluster

i agree
Papa Midnight 10:02 PM - 25 October, 2013
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on the floor in front of the stage center cluster

i agree

Agreed.
Funkytownstopsix 3:04 AM - 26 October, 2013
Thanks got a gig in December that will pay for 1 york : ) should I stack the 2 or place side by side?
Papa Midnight 4:42 AM - 26 October, 2013
Side by side.
p25ct 4:11 PM - 22 December, 2013
Got a question.. Read almost this entire thread. Good stuff.

Considering the following given these circumstances:

1. 20 ft trailer with rear ramp door
2. Doing large gymnasium events only
3. Have a PL380 that's almost brand new.
4. Moving heavy gear not an issue. Never up stairs. See #2

Purchase 4 Yorkville LS2104 passive cabs for use with PL340 at 2 ohms per side. It's very stable and pulls from a dedicated 30a circuit at these impedences. The PL 3rd generations are very very efficient. 4000 watts per side at 2 ohms.

Tops: ZXA5s. Also considering building a line array of OTOP12s. 4 per side. Would run appx $3300 for the kits to build. Fly them from trussing 12-14 fee FOH.

I'm good with bottom heavy. Rather have too much than not enough.

Anyone compare the Yamaha DSR115s to the ZXA5s? Heard they're pretty damn close and have limiters.

If I fly ZXA5s I would probably use a side fill to supplement for very large college size rooms.

I can't see selling the pl380 and buying ls801ps if I can move 2104s and keep the 380 I power 2 or 4 of them. That 380 is so efficient, clean, and never stops giving.

Thanks all.
p25ct 4:12 PM - 22 December, 2013
Correction above. It's a PL380. Typo.
Joee 4:20 PM - 22 December, 2013
you using power amps? than why not look at the passive zx5--> electrovoice.com ,if you going to put two or more in a array per side your gonna want to 60x60
DJ GaFFle 9:06 PM - 22 December, 2013
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Got a question.. Read almost this entire thread. Good stuff.

Considering the following given these circumstances:

1. 20 ft trailer with rear ramp door
2. Doing large gymnasium events only
3. Have a PL380 that's almost brand new.
4. Moving heavy gear not an issue. Never up stairs. See #2

Purchase 4 Yorkville LS2104 passive cabs for use with PL340 at 2 ohms per side. It's very stable and pulls from a dedicated 30a circuit at these impedences. The PL 3rd generations are very very efficient. 4000 watts per side at 2 ohms.

Tops: ZXA5s. Also considering building a line array of OTOP12s. 4 per side. Would run appx $3300 for the kits to build. Fly them from trussing 12-14 fee FOH.

I'm good with bottom heavy. Rather have too much than not enough.

Anyone compare the Yamaha DSR115s to the ZXA5s? Heard they're pretty damn close and have limiters.

If I fly ZXA5s I would probably use a side fill to supplement for very large college size rooms.

I can't see selling the pl380 and buying ls801ps if I can move 2104s and keep the 380 I power 2 or 4 of them. That 380 is so efficient, clean, and never stops giving.

Thanks all.

I'd stay passive and the way you are. You'd be taking a step backwards going to LS801P's. It's not like you're going to lightweight subs. You've got huge trailer and sound for days so just get a single powered 18" to satisfy your desire for lightweight and for smaller gigs.
SELECT 2:15 PM - 24 December, 2013
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on the floor in front of the stage center cluster

i agree


When you setup the VRX subs, do you do it side by side or on top of on another? I like the feel of the subs stacked, but the sound is really great with them side by side. Does it even matter?
SELECT 2:16 PM - 24 December, 2013
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on the floor in front of the stage center cluster

i agree


When you setup the VRX subs, do you do it side by side or on top of on another? I like the feel of the subs stacked, but the sound is really great with them side by side. Does it even matter?


This is just using two subs for example.
pdidy 3:09 PM - 24 December, 2013
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on the floor in front of the stage center cluster

i agree


When you setup the VRX subs, do you do it side by side or on top of on another? I like the feel of the subs stacked, but the sound is really great with them side by side. Does it even matter?


This is just using two subs for example.

Side by side should "technically" give you more output due to floor coupling but the difference is so small the human ear can not hear it so it doesn't matter.

I always center cluster side by side because I prefer the look and I can use them as a stage or barrier. I generally only stack when I have limited space Or when in a venue where people like to place drinks on speakers.....
SELECT 3:18 PM - 24 December, 2013
Cool. Im tuning my system this week. Trying out different crossovers settings for my subs. Im also going to start coupling them more often at gigs.
the_black_one 4:13 PM - 24 December, 2013
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Cool. Im tuning my system this week. Trying out different crossovers settings for my subs. Im also going to start coupling them more often at gigs.

Get a driverack

Nm nh
SELECT 4:30 PM - 24 December, 2013
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Cool. Im tuning my system this week. Trying out different crossovers settings for my subs. Im also going to start coupling them more often at gigs.

Get a driverack

Nm nh



Got one- Watchwww.youtube.com

The setup wizard is a great start. Im gonna try different crossovers and also see what range the subs sound best in from 80 Hz to 120 Hz low pass.
the_black_one 12:15 AM - 25 December, 2013
Center cluster the subs

Nm nh
DjCity 12:46 AM - 25 December, 2013
Subs crossed over at 80 to 85 is the sweet spot for me.
the_black_one 1:24 AM - 25 December, 2013
Depends on your tops ...

Nm nh
DjCity 1:38 AM - 25 December, 2013
Yeah it does.

I hate that most powered tops are crossed over at 100. To me, that's just too high. Let's in way more mids than is needed.

100htz makes them loud, makes them boom but it's a dirty sound.
the_black_one 2:12 AM - 25 December, 2013
Yep....

Nm nh
the_black_one 2:13 AM - 25 December, 2013
I like to set my crossover curves to " sharp" the least they over lap the better

Nm nh
Certified Quality Entertainment 9:04 PM - 3 January, 2014
Posted this in another thread but figured Id post it here too as others may come in here.


So I picked up the Yorkville this weekend. Got my Tuki cover for it as well. Really happy with the cover as it has a nice Velcro strap on the bottom to keep the cover on. I tested getting the sub in and out of my van by myself. Had no problems doing it. Nice thing is that it stays put in the van when standing straight up, but if I move it to a side (since the cover is on) I can slide it around really easily which will be a big help when having to arrange gear to fit tvs etc...

I tested the sub real quick to make sure it was working. I just connected it straight to my ipod via XLR to 1/8" wire. I know it's not the best but just wanted to make sure it worked. Pumped it up pretty good but I did notice the limit light flash a lot earlier than I anticipated. Had the volume on the ipod all the way up, gain maybe a tad over 1/3 of the way up on the yorkville, and had it set about 2 o clock on shape. Limiter started to kick in and flashed slightly.

I have heard these subs pound harder than I had it without the limit light come close to blinking. Maybe it was due to the fact I was just running a cable straight from ipod to the sub? I played around with the shape and "xover" and it helped the limiter go off but still wasn't cranking as much as I would have thought.

Any ideas?
djdisbjohn 9:14 PM - 3 January, 2014
I would make sure eq in iPod is flat, volume max to maybe 75%. Having at 100% may be overdriving the iPod and distorting signal.
Certified Quality Entertainment 9:19 PM - 3 January, 2014
That's what I was thinking actually. I'm almost positive EQ was flat. But I agree with thinking that having the iphone volume up to the max may not have been sending a clean signal, thus having the limiter start to pop on. I don't remember if I played with the volume at all to see if it helped.
I think I had a similar issue to that before. At home when cleaning the house I usually take out a speaker and use that same wire and plug into my computer. I noticed I would get some weird sounds out of the speakers if I had the volume on the computer all the way up...so i'm thinking it could be the same thing.
dj_soo 10:20 PM - 3 January, 2014
I find having your iPod/iphone at 100% causes some clipping. Notice this in my car stereo a lot
the_black_one 10:48 PM - 3 January, 2014
Same here with the iPod, iPhone , iPad

Never set the volume at 100%

Nm nh
Al Poulin 12:22 AM - 5 January, 2014
Ipods have substantially more output (headphone jack) than most other portable MP3/CD players. This has been my experience anyway...

Al
DJ GaFFle 12:47 AM - 5 January, 2014
Bad Way To Test
Papa Midnight 1:35 AM - 5 January, 2014
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Bad Way To Test

Terrible way to test.
the_black_one 3:25 AM - 5 January, 2014
The clown and his " your everyone " crap!!! Take it pills old man

Nm nh nb
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:02 AM - 5 January, 2014
I knew it wasn't the best way to test by far. It was really just to make sure I didn't get a DOA unit. When the snow melts a little I will hook everything up properly and retest. Like I said I have heard these subs before so I figure it had to be the iPod the reason I got the results I did
DJ GaFFle 2:09 PM - 5 January, 2014
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I knew it wasn't the best way to test by far. It was really just to make sure I didn't get a DOA unit. When the snow melts a little I will hook everything up properly and retest. Like I said I have heard these subs before so I figure it had to be the iPod the reason I got the results I did

There's a local sound guy that does the work for the restaurant where I DJ. He uses his iPhone to test the sound systems and the levels comes up misconfigured every time. When a DJ comes in with their XLR mixers, the levels are much hotter and at many times cleaner, than what the iPhone provides and this skews his initial settings. This has been my experience.

Yes, it's a very convenient way to verify for equipment DOA but I wouldn't rely on them for sound quality assessments.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:31 PM - 5 January, 2014
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The clown and his " your everyone " crap!!! Take it pills old man

Nm nh nb


LMAO!

Your dumb azz is talking about "Taking Pills Old Man", but you can't even remember what damn thread you're posting in....as I haven't even POSTED in this thread until now...

Well, I guess that abortion was only halfway successful, they DID get some of your brain...
DJ REZ 4:28 AM - 9 January, 2014
I am looking to get the one LS801pb to replace 2 ELX 118P. Will this sub give me the bass more or equal bass?
SG SOUNDS 5:05 AM - 9 January, 2014
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I am looking to get the one LS801pb to replace 2 ELX 118P. Will this sub give me the bass more or equal bass?


defiantly more bass...
DjCity 5:01 PM - 9 January, 2014
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I am looking to get the one LS801pb to replace 2 ELX 118P. Will this sub give me the bass more or equal bass?


Waaaaaaaaaay more bass!!!
Waaaaaaaaaay more volume!!!

ELX118p = 700w
LS801bp = 1500w

ELX118p = Front loaded = good sound, good bass but not a hell of a lot of throw.
LS801bp = Kind of a scoop design = Great sound, Great bass and a looooong throw.
DJ REZ 11:49 PM - 9 January, 2014
Thanks! so you would say one will be enough and more than I have right now with Two ELX 118P.
DjCity 11:58 PM - 9 January, 2014
No doubt!

You would need 3 or 4 ELX118P's to try to match 1 Yorkville LS801PB's.
DJ REZ 1:59 AM - 10 January, 2014
Wow thanks sold!!
djdisbjohn 6:52 AM - 20 January, 2014
I've been debating on getting 2 LS801PB's... or getting 2 more VRX918 subs for a total of 4. Sometimes we have up to 3 events in a night typically ranging up to 600 guests so looking for the most versatile options.

What would y'all suggest?
pdidy 8:26 AM - 20 January, 2014
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I've been debating on getting 2 LS801PB's... or getting 2 more VRX918 subs for a total of 4. Sometimes we have up to 3 events in a night typically ranging up to 600 guests so looking for the most versatile options.

What would y'all suggest?

do you have the passive VRX918 ?
pdidy 9:46 AM - 20 January, 2014
@ djdisbjohn,
The main reasons im slowly switching over from yorkville to jbl vrx is....
Versatility
Scalability
Portability

A versatile system is also very scalable, they go hand in hand. A scalable system needs to be capable of being easily expanded, upgraded or reduced with no conflict. Multiple types of subs add conflict because they don't always play nice with each other when required.

The vrx option mite be a bit expensive because you may want 6 to handle 600 people but you already have 2.

I my opinion the only reason to go yorkville is cost but you may regret it in a year or 2 from now.
Versatility+Scalability+Portability= alota fukin money...lol
pdidy 10:02 AM - 20 January, 2014
When i first started this thread I said my Yorkvilles would be for my big gigs and the 1 vrx918sp would be for the small gigs.......lol

2 1/2 years later, all that's changed....
pdidy 10:28 AM - 20 January, 2014
now this is what i want.... i26.photobucket.com
pdidy 10:37 AM - 20 January, 2014
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

who knows, In a year I may want to upgrade to concert level but the options there.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:11 PM - 20 January, 2014
That's A LOT of money right there!!
djdisbjohn 4:10 PM - 20 January, 2014
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@ djdisbjohn,
The main reasons im slowly switching over from yorkville to jbl vrx is....
Versatility
Scalability
Portability

A versatile system is also very scalable, they go hand in hand. A scalable system needs to be capable of being easily expanded, upgraded or reduced with no conflict. Multiple types of subs add conflict because they don't always play nice with each other when required.

The vrx option mite be a bit expensive because you may want 6 to handle 600 people but you already have 2.

I my opinion the only reason to go yorkville is cost but you may regret it in a year or 2 from now.
Versatility+Scalability+Portability= alota fukin money...lol


appreciate the response
ancientyouth 4:20 PM - 20 January, 2014
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i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

who knows, In a year I may want to upgrade to concert level but the options there.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


Save a couple bucks get the vrx subs w/ VP tops , they soumd a bit better
ancientyouth 4:27 PM - 20 January, 2014
Sorry i mean vertec subs
DJ GaFFle 7:51 PM - 20 January, 2014
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i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

who knows, In a year I may want to upgrade to concert level but the options there.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


Save a couple bucks get the vrx subs w/ VP tops , they soumd a bit better

I don't think the VP tops have built-in pole mounts. They are extremely expen$ive too.
ancientyouth 8:00 PM - 20 January, 2014
My bad thought those were vertec
pdidy 8:02 PM - 20 January, 2014
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i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

who knows, In a year I may want to upgrade to concert level but the options there.
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


Save a couple bucks get the vrx subs w/ VP tops , they soumd a bit better

I don't think the VP tops have built-in pole mounts. They are extremely expen$ive too.

YO.... the VP series is at least $1000-2000 more that the VRX. My pocket's aint ready for that type a shit....lol
the_black_one 8:04 PM - 20 January, 2014
I'm just not a jbl guy... Maybe the high end stuff is a whole different ball game but I find it not to my likening ...IMHO

Nm nh
pdidy 8:06 PM - 20 January, 2014
Naaa,...ancientyouth, That Void Acoustic money ;)
ancientyouth 8:47 PM - 20 January, 2014
Yeah my bad i was way off i thought those were the vtx or vertec series . Yes they are pricey but i found a great deal on some..... look around is all im sayin lol...
Frankie Glasses 7:23 PM - 22 January, 2014
OK i am in a dilemma and need some advice...
I was all set on the York sub but i am afraid due to the weight of it i wont be able to put this sub in the back of my chevy tahoe by myself. (buying a trailer is not an option at this time)
I been looking at the VRX as i think the weight will be ok but this sub is not as powerful as the york.
I already own 1 KW181 and also thinking of maybe just getting another one of those.
From what i hear/read the york has the best throw out of all these 3 and thats what i am looking for.
HELP!
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:32 PM - 22 January, 2014
Does anyone you know have you that you can test it out with?

I did that back when I had my ford explorer. I was all set to get it, then tested with a friend and realized I wasn't able to get it in by myself. Got different subs b/c of it. Fast forward a year and a half when I picked up my chevy express van. I now have the room and ability to lift it there by myself (it has a lower profile). So I sold my current subs to pick up the Yorkville.
DjCity 7:34 PM - 22 January, 2014
I have the yorks and the kw181's.

If you only have one kw181 and are considering the Yorkville, you might want to consider simply getting another kw181 instead.

The yorkville will be a nightmare getting in and out of a tahoe. (I own two kw181's and a Yukon Denali).

I fit 2 kw181's, 2 ex tops, stands, ddj-sx or turntables and mixer and lights in the Denali and still have the 2nd row seat available for passengers.

Just a thought...
DjCity 7:35 PM - 22 January, 2014
Sorry...
2 EV tops.
DJ GaFFle 7:39 PM - 22 January, 2014
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OK i am in a dilemma and need some advice...
I was all set on the York sub but i am afraid due to the weight of it i wont be able to put this sub in the back of my chevy tahoe by myself. (buying a trailer is not an option at this time)
I been looking at the VRX as i think the weight will be ok but this sub is not as powerful as the york.
I already own 1 KW181 and also thinking of maybe just getting another one of those.
From what i hear/read the york has the best throw out of all these 3 and thats what i am looking for.
HELP!

As far as output, 2 QSC KW181's ≠ 1 Yorkville LS801P... but they may come close.

The QSC subs will have better, more musical and deepr bass sound quality but not sheer output. The KW181's would be more convenient and scalable but that Yorkie just pounds.
Joee 7:39 PM - 22 January, 2014
how many subs 1 or 2? one vrx will not cut it…….i use it as i wanted the most portable option also……but one for a pair of zxa5's is not enough……when i first got one i turned it on stepped back and said to my self …..is this thing on



thats not to say that it don't bass cause it's a beast……as mentioned above you might want to think about adding more qsc subs


i will say this the jbl sub has a fuller sounding bass, i like it much better than qsc
Frankie Glasses 7:45 PM - 22 January, 2014
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Does anyone you know have you that you can test it out with?

I did that back when I had my ford explorer. I was all set to get it, then tested with a friend and realized I wasn't able to get it in by myself. Got different subs b/c of it. Fast forward a year and a half when I picked up my chevy express van. I now have the room and ability to lift it there by myself (it has a lower profile). So I sold my current subs to pick up the Yorkville.


Unfortunately i dont. I havent even heard one myself! I am just going by all the comments on here and other sites.
Frankie Glasses 7:47 PM - 22 January, 2014
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I have the yorks and the kw181's.

If you only have one kw181 and are considering the Yorkville, you might want to consider simply getting another kw181 instead.

The yorkville will be a nightmare getting in and out of a tahoe. (I own two kw181's and a Yukon Denali).

I fit 2 kw181's, 2 ex tops, stands, ddj-sx or turntables and mixer and lights in the Denali and still have the 2nd row seat available for passengers.

Just a thought...


and thats what i am afraid of...buying a york and not be able to do it myself. When you say nightmare though...are you saying its possible though???
JDforKing 7:50 PM - 22 January, 2014
I say get another qsc kw181. Work with what you already have.
SELECT 7:54 PM - 22 January, 2014
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I say get another qsc kw181. Work with what you already have.


Yeah, why have two different sounding subs playing. Those KW subs are some of the best subs for one man mobile work and they have a really good throw.
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:55 PM - 22 January, 2014
In your situation I think another QSC would be best.

the easiest way I know of to lift by one person is to stand behind it. Knees up against the back, hands on each side on the front "lip" of top where the grill meets the wood, lean back. The sub will lift up pretty high, you can then lean that up on the bumper/inside of the vehicle. Once there, all the weight is supported and you can just push it in. Not sure if I explained it properly, but it's pretty easy. The only thing is that you can only get so high doing that. Like I said, my explorer was a little too high that I couldn't get the bottom of the sub on top of the bumper to support the weight. I was off by about 2 inches. Didn't seem like a lot but I tried a few tiems and couldn't get it. With my new express van, I can clear it no problem and makes getting the sub in by myself not bad at all.
JDforKing 7:58 PM - 22 January, 2014
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I have the yorks and the kw181's.

If you only have one kw181 and are considering the Yorkville, you might want to consider simply getting another kw181 instead.

The yorkville will be a nightmare getting in and out of a tahoe. (I own two kw181's and a Yukon Denali).

I fit 2 kw181's, 2 ex tops, stands, ddj-sx or turntables and mixer and lights in the Denali and still have the 2nd row seat available for passengers.

Just a thought...


and thats what i am afraid of...buying a york and not be able to do it myself. When you say nightmare though...are you saying its possible though???


What type of events are you doing?
DJ GaFFle 7:59 PM - 22 January, 2014
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... Those KW subs are some of the best subs for one man mobile work and they have a really good throw.

Compared to what?
Joee 8:00 PM - 22 January, 2014
^ a Behringer….lol
SELECT 8:15 PM - 22 January, 2014
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... Those KW subs are some of the best subs for one man mobile work and they have a really good throw.

Compared to what?


Compared to nothing. For the price, weight and size they are great powered subs for mobile work and have a great throw.
DjCity 8:37 PM - 22 January, 2014
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I have the yorks and the kw181's.

If you only have one kw181 and are considering the Yorkville, you might want to consider simply getting another kw181 instead.

The yorkville will be a nightmare getting in and out of a tahoe. (I own two kw181's and a Yukon Denali).

I fit 2 kw181's, 2 ex tops, stands, ddj-sx or turntables and mixer and lights in the Denali and still have the 2nd row seat available for passengers.

Just a thought...


and thats what i am afraid of...buying a york and not be able to do it myself. When you say nightmare though...are you saying its possible though???


It is possible.
When I say a nightmare, I'm talking Freddie Krueger nightmare.
I'm talking that nightmare you had as a kid that still sends shivers down your spine.

it's possible but you don't want to do it.

It's possible like swimming across the East river.
it's possible like walking from Florida to Canada.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:38 PM - 22 January, 2014
LOL

In what way did you try and lift them in there? Did you see the way I do it I explained above? Or you tried another way?
DjCity 8:40 PM - 22 January, 2014
Lifting into a van....
Not unbearable.

Lifting into a Tahoe...
Not advisable.
SELECT 8:48 PM - 22 January, 2014
Its not just your home and transportation that you have to deal with. The most difficult time your gonna have with a large sub is the venue itself. Stairs and small entrances will be your enemy. My friends and I used to rent out the older dual JBL SR-X speaker setup, subs and tops. Just a nightmare to load and unload almost every single time we used them. Even at hotels with loading docks, we still had to get them up there somehow. Trust me when I tell you, it was a nightmare.
DJ GaFFle 10:40 PM - 22 January, 2014
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... Those KW subs are some of the best subs for one man mobile work and they have a really good throw.

Compared to what?


Compared to nothing. For the price, weight and size they are great powered subs for mobile work and have a great throw.

I'm not knocking the KW181, I just know that in reference to the 'throw', it's not that great. Not great like what you'd experience with a Yorkie LS801P. Nowhere close...
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:57 PM - 22 January, 2014
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... Those KW subs are some of the best subs for one man mobile work and they have a really good throw.

Compared to what?


Compared to nothing. For the price, weight and size they are great powered subs for mobile work and have a great throw.

I'm not knocking the KW181, I just know that in reference to the 'throw', it's not that great. Not great like what you'd experience with a Yorkie LS801P. Nowhere close...


I'm thinking he is speaking from a portability stand point. We all know that Yorkie is The Beast, but not travel friendly.
Frankie Glasses 12:21 AM - 23 January, 2014
thanks guys for the info...
Although i do really want to get the York, i think the smart thing to do is settle and just get another KW181. :(

I play in a small bar (150 people)2 nights out of week but i also do private gigs and have a few bigger weddings/events that are coming up (around 300-400 people).
I really like to have MORE sound than not enough and i wanted to get 1 sub(yorkville) and 1 ZXA5 to handle most of my events. I plan on purchasing another ZXA5 but not anytime soon.
Frankie Glasses 12:31 AM - 23 January, 2014
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In your situation I think another QSC would be best.

the easiest way I know of to lift by one person is to stand behind it. Knees up against the back, hands on each side on the front "lip" of top where the grill meets the wood, lean back. The sub will lift up pretty high, you can then lean that up on the bumper/inside of the vehicle. Once there, all the weight is supported and you can just push it in. Not sure if I explained it properly, but it's pretty easy. The only thing is that you can only get so high doing that. Like I said, my explorer was a little too high that I couldn't get the bottom of the sub on top of the bumper to support the weight. I was off by about 2 inches. Didn't seem like a lot but I tried a few tiems and couldn't get it. With my new express van, I can clear it no problem and makes getting the sub in by myself not bad at all.


@CQE. Did you ever try leaning the sub back to where the front of the sub would be high enough to reach the bumper of your explorer?
Sorry guys this sounds soo stupid but i just dont want to waist $1300 on something that i cant even use!
pdidy 12:31 AM - 23 January, 2014
I also agree to keep and expand you system off of the KW181 sub. The only down side is that it will be mush more expensive to achieve equal output of 1 or 2 York 801p subs.

There's AWAYS a tradeoff....
Frankie Glasses 12:33 AM - 23 January, 2014
Does anyone know of a Yorkville rental or dealer in the LA or surrounding areas so i could listen and actually see them it person?
Joee 12:37 AM - 23 January, 2014
^ do not rent the york, if you do you will never be happy with 2 kw181's vs one yorkvile

you like the qsc kw181 now correct? keep it that way……if you rent the york you will want to buy it
pdidy 12:42 AM - 23 January, 2014
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^ do not rent the york, if you do you will never be happy with 2 kw181's vs one yorkvile

you like the qsc kw181 now correct? keep it that way……if you rent the york you will want to buy it

Yep...this is true....lol

He would be so pissed off when he realizes how many kw181 it will take just to come close.
DjCity 12:42 AM - 23 January, 2014
I used 2 kw181's with 1 zxa5 and was happy with the sound.

I stacked the kw181's and had the zxa5 on a pole.

The kw181's were at about 2 or 3:00 and the zxa5 was at about 9:00.

Good sound and it threw long enough.

Everyone was happy with the sound including me.
Joee 12:53 AM - 23 January, 2014
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I used 2 kw181's with 1 zxa5 and was happy with the sound.

I stacked the kw181's and had the zxa5 on a pole.

The kw181's were at about 2 or 3:00 and the zxa5 was at about 9:00.

Good sound and it threw long enough.

Everyone was happy with the sound including me.

be honest how much more do you like the yorkvile sub vs qsc? this is all i'm trying to say….you can use any sub with zxa5's…..you will just need to turn the zxa5 down in some cases way down
Frankie Glasses 1:09 AM - 23 January, 2014
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^ do not rent the york, if you do you will never be happy with 2 kw181's vs one yorkvile

you like the qsc kw181 now correct? keep it that way……if you rent the york you will want to buy it


I know i want the York...i was just wanting to rent one to see how bad it will be unloading and unloading.
My intention was as soon as i sell my KW181 i was going to buy a york. But if i cant get the monster in my tahoe then there is no point! NH NM
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:38 AM - 23 January, 2014
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In your situation I think another QSC would be best.

the easiest way I know of to lift by one person is to stand behind it. Knees up against the back, hands on each side on the front "lip" of top where the grill meets the wood, lean back. The sub will lift up pretty high, you can then lean that up on the bumper/inside of the vehicle. Once there, all the weight is supported and you can just push it in. Not sure if I explained it properly, but it's pretty easy. The only thing is that you can only get so high doing that. Like I said, my explorer was a little too high that I couldn't get the bottom of the sub on top of the bumper to support the weight. I was off by about 2 inches. Didn't seem like a lot but I tried a few tiems and couldn't get it. With my new express van, I can clear it no problem and makes getting the sub in by myself not bad at all.


@CQE. Did you ever try leaning the sub back to where the front of the sub would be high enough to reach the bumper of your explorer?
Sorry guys this sounds soo stupid but i just dont want to waist $1300 on something that i cant even use!


I never tried that, but I think the back of the explorer would have been too high. so i would have tried to lean it in and when picking it up on one side it would have slid down. I don't think I could have "pushed" it in. I might be able to do it that way with the van now though since it is lower.
DjCity 1:45 AM - 23 January, 2014
It's not that the Yorkville is super heavy but super bulky.
It's just not easy to move.
Dj Nyce 2:30 AM - 23 January, 2014
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OK i am in a dilemma and need some advice...
I was all set on the York sub but i am afraid due to the weight of it i wont be able to put this sub in the back of my chevy tahoe by myself. (buying a trailer is not an option at this time)
I been looking at the VRX as i think the weight will be ok but this sub is not as powerful as the york.
I already own 1 KW181 and also thinking of maybe just getting another one of those.
From what i hear/read the york has the best throw out of all these 3 and thats what i am looking for.
HELP!


i was able to get (2) yorkies in a cargo van by myself. it took every muscle in my body and all the will power i had. even with the the 'lean' method, it was like trying to lift a rhino off the ground. honestly it was the heaviest thing i have ever lifted in my life and that's saying alot. i used to work construction with my father. try carrying a sheet of plywood up a 50 ft ladder on to a roof.

that being said. i absolutely love the yorkies, but if you don't have trailer or a low profile van forget about it. and then you have to worry about if you can actually get it into the venue.

i have an escalade and yes, i could get the yorkie in there by myself, but 1) i don't want to fuck my bumper up and 2) no other equipment would fit.

if i had to purchase subs right now based on me being a 1 man show driving an escalade i would go with kw181s or the vrx even though i know the yorkies are a 'better' sub. i can always rent the yorkies when i need them.
DjCity 2:34 AM - 23 January, 2014
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OK i am in a dilemma and need some advice...
I was all set on the York sub but i am afraid due to the weight of it i wont be able to put this sub in the back of my chevy tahoe by myself. (buying a trailer is not an option at this time)
I been looking at the VRX as i think the weight will be ok but this sub is not as powerful as the york.
I already own 1 KW181 and also thinking of maybe just getting another one of those.
From what i hear/read the york has the best throw out of all these 3 and thats what i am looking for.
HELP!


i was able to get (2) yorkies in a cargo van by myself. it took every muscle in my body and all the will power i had. even with the the 'lean' method, it was like trying to lift a rhino off the ground. honestly it was the heaviest thing i have ever lifted in my life and that's saying alot. i used to work construction with my father. try carrying a sheet of plywood up a 50 ft ladder on to a roof.

that being said. i absolutely love the yorkies, but if you don't have trailer or a low profile van forget about it. and then you have to worry about if you can actually get it into the venue.

i have an escalade and yes, i could get the yorkie in there by myself, but 1) i don't want to fuck my bumper up and 2) no other equipment would fit.

if i had to purchase subs right now based on me being a 1 man show driving an escalade i would go with kw181s or the vrx even though i know the yorkies are a 'better' sub. i can always rent the yorkies when i need them.


THIS!
DJ GaFFle 2:37 AM - 23 January, 2014
I hear ya'll. I wouldn't risk my healthy back for ANY sub.

(nm)
the_black_one 3:26 AM - 23 January, 2014
Listen here... If you have the right tools... It's not that hard... Ramps are a must .... One you have the right tools for the job then it's all good... Yorks all day errrrr day!!!


Nm nh nb
DjCity 3:05 PM - 23 January, 2014
I have a van and am getting a wheelchair ramp cause the speakers are no joke.

It's not that they are TOO heavy but they are bulky, heavy and awkward to lift.
SELECT 3:17 PM - 23 January, 2014
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I have a van and am getting a wheelchair ramp cause the speakers are no joke.

It's not that they are TOO heavy but they are bulky, heavy and awkward to lift.


Geezus christ, might as well get a forklift lol. Seriously though at one of my gigs last thats what the sound crew was using to load in and stack their subwoofers.
Funkytownstopsix 5:33 PM - 23 January, 2014
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Listen here... If you have the right tools... It's not that hard... Ramps are a must .... One you have the right tools for the job then it's all good... Yorks all day errrrr day!!!


Nm nh nb


This is true it might cost you more but could really make your life easy all the way around..


Now for transport and lift I am looking at a few options but will most likely go with the TGL-500 lift. For those who have trucks and want some ideas check out the links I think you might find that there one you can use. I prefer not to take a trailer if I can..so that's why I have these other ideas and for those who have cars just put a trailer hitch on yours and you can use at least two to the options.

www.etrailer.com

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

www.harborfreight.com
Certified Quality Entertainment 5:46 PM - 23 January, 2014
someone posted a really good ramp somewhere. Only like $150 or so. Gotta try and find it.
Funkytownstopsix 6:11 PM - 23 January, 2014
:) I made something a long time ago that would still work. I had a 2x8 plank that I drilled a whole in and place a cable so that I lift with it. I would lean the speaker on the 2x4 the 2x4 was at an angle easy enough for me to handel the speaker then I would just left the and slide it into the truck all of about 20bucks... Just saying if there is a will there is away.
Funkytownstopsix 6:13 PM - 23 January, 2014
as you can tell I am drinking already..... fudge... I ran a cable through the whole so I could lift the speaker.... funny thing I'm only drinking water today....!!
Funkytownstopsix 6:14 PM - 23 January, 2014
hole ,,,,whole fudge it.... I quit...
Joee 6:15 PM - 23 January, 2014
^ your always drinking……..lol……buy water do you mean tonic water with vodka or something along those lines


i'm not mad at you these days i drink vodka with club soda and lime..ummmm
Taipanic 6:28 PM - 23 January, 2014


Looks like this might just hold 2 LS801ps.
DjCity 6:29 PM - 23 January, 2014
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someone posted a really good ramp somewhere. Only like $150 or so. Gotta try and find it.


www.ebay.com
www.ebay.com
www.ebay.com
www.ebay.com

I'm probably gonna get the 4ft one.
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:32 PM - 23 January, 2014
Bingo...
DjCity 6:35 PM - 23 January, 2014
The 4ft ramp is perfect if you are at a curb.
Going from the van to the ground (no curb) the 5ft ramp is better.

I take my subs out the side door so I will usually have a curb to deal with. the curb makes the incline tolerable.

5ft ramp is better with the incline when there is no curb.
Papa Midnight 9:45 PM - 23 January, 2014

Something like this honestly seems one of the better options.
Papa Midnight 9:46 PM - 23 January, 2014
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This ain't bad either.
DjCity 10:26 PM - 23 January, 2014
I'm GETTING a ramp.
I'm just debating weather to get the 4ft or the 5ft ramp.
DJ GaFFle 10:40 PM - 23 January, 2014
5ft.
DjCity 10:49 PM - 23 January, 2014
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5ft.


Why the 5ft instead of the 4ft?
Joee 10:52 PM - 23 January, 2014
because it's not as steep…..think of pulling longer gradual incline not shorter steep incline ;)
Papa Midnight 10:56 PM - 23 January, 2014
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because it's not as steep…..think of pulling longer gradual incline not shorter steep incline ;)

Agreed.
Funkytownstopsix 8:50 PM - 24 January, 2014
the longer the better
Rebelguy 8:56 PM - 24 January, 2014
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the longer the better


That's what she said.

NM NH
the_black_one 9:05 PM - 24 January, 2014
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the longer the better



Yikes!!!!


Nm nh nb
pdidy 11:48 PM - 3 February, 2014
@ DJ CITY
www.citylifeproductions.net

How do you like the new yorkvilles compared to your 2 double 18". Do 2 yorkville 801s keep up with 4 x18's ?
DjCity 11:58 PM - 3 February, 2014
I have not updated my website in so long it's stupid! I sometimes forget I have the damn thing

To answer your question,
The yorkvilles are LIKE THAT but the 2 OAP dub 18's with the crown amps kill em.

It's a totally different sound. The yorkvilles sound really really good but those OAP's sound GRRRREAT!

Having said that, I would rather use the Yorkies.
DjCity 11:59 PM - 3 February, 2014
I might have to do a side by side comparison.

Don't know when or WHERE I could do that though.
pdidy 12:02 AM - 4 February, 2014
OAP dub 18's ?
DjCity 12:05 AM - 4 February, 2014
Yeah...
Double 18's are from OAP.
pdidy 12:10 AM - 4 February, 2014
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Yeah...
Double 18's are from OAP.

Ok, got it www.oapaudio.com
SELECT 12:12 AM - 4 February, 2014
What do you guys think of these new Pioneer club sound system setups? They look beautiful. I really want to hear those subs in person.

youtu.be

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DJ REZ 12:26 AM - 4 February, 2014
got my yorkie (1) in to replace two EV ELX 118P no regrets... Really recomend this sub, sound is way, way louder than the EV's. Still running my two ELX 115P. sound awesome!! and can't even turn the yorkie's volume up more than 8 O'clock. Thanks for the advise. and yes is heavy but who cares. lol
pdidy 12:49 AM - 4 February, 2014
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What do you guys think of these new Pioneer club sound system setups? They look beautiful. I really want to hear those subs in person.

youtu.be

youtu.be

I would expect it to sound amazing similar to any hi end system like Function One www.google.com

The designs are quite similar
DJ GaFFle 1:14 AM - 4 February, 2014
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What do you guys think of these new Pioneer club sound system setups? They look beautiful. I really want to hear those subs in person.

youtu.be

youtu.be

Someone pointed out these designs resembling some late '70s sound systems. I guess their use of an English-proper commentator giving the system specs is supposed to make them direct competitors to the Turbosounds and Funktion Ones of the world.
pdidy 1:28 AM - 4 February, 2014
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What do you guys think of these new Pioneer club sound system setups? They look beautiful. I really want to hear those subs in person.

youtu.be

youtu.be

Someone pointed out these designs resembling some late '70s sound systems. .

That was likely me comparing them to Richard Long Designs. The Pioneer is a copy www.discomusic.com
Papa Midnight 2:11 AM - 4 February, 2014
That sub weighs damn near 500 pounds. Jeez...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:22 PM - 4 February, 2014
Long live Richard Long!
DjCity 2:37 PM - 4 February, 2014
@ pdidy or anyone that KNOWS the answer…

I have my Driverack px along with the Aphex Exciter with the Yorkvilles and the ZXA5's. It sounds INCREDIBLE!!!!

My question is this…

If I go from the mixer to the exciter then to the driverack MAIN out to the sub then from the sub up to the top,
what effect will that have in regard to the driverack and exciter?

I'm trying to see if I can cut cables by jumping from sub to top.
DjCity 2:39 PM - 4 February, 2014
Right now I go from the mixer to the exciter to the driverack and out the driverack highs to tops and sub outs to bottoms.

I'm trying to see if I can just go 1 cable instead of two by jumping from sub to top.
pdidy 2:56 PM - 4 February, 2014
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Right now I go from the mixer to the exciter to the driverack and out the driverack highs to tops and sub outs to bottoms.

I'm trying to see if I can just go 1 cable instead of two by jumping from sub to top.

this is the way it should be wired. defeating the purpose of the driverack to save wire is a bad idea.

disclaimer: pro sound frown upon the use of exciters and maximisers.
DjCity 3:13 PM - 4 February, 2014
They can frown all they want.

I do pro sound and I smile like shit when I hear how sweet my sound is!
Used in MODERATION, the exciter is a great addition to the signal chain.

Thanks for your answer.
I was thinking that since the subs are crossed over at 90 on the sub itself, I might be able to get away with one cable when I want to be quick and lazy.
Through the driverack, the subs are crossed over at 85.
dj_soo 6:07 PM - 4 February, 2014
Ls801ps don't have a crossover. All it has is a low pass (setting the cutoff of the highs) and a frequency boost
DjCity 6:26 PM - 4 February, 2014
Yeah….
HF rolloff is at 90.
Frankie Glasses 6:34 PM - 4 February, 2014
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got my yorkie (1) in to replace two EV ELX 118P no regrets... Really recomend this sub, sound is way, way louder than the EV's. Still running my two ELX 115P. sound awesome!! and can't even turn the yorkie's volume up more than 8 O'clock. Thanks for the advise. and yes is heavy but who cares. lol


Waiting on mine to come in at end of the week.
I am broke because of you guys but i will have a great system!
Joee 6:39 PM - 4 February, 2014
^ that system will pay for itself ;)
the_black_one 7:20 PM - 4 February, 2014
@ dj city

I mean do disrespect to you or your ways...


Get rid of the exciter or whatever is called.

Get the xlr cables u need to run everything as it should. Xlr to tops from driverack and xlr to bass from driverack... The way your doing it is wrong.. The drive rack can not differentiate between speakers so therefore you have to hook it up correctly for it to work correctly.. Just try it


Nm nh nb
DjCity 7:37 PM - 4 February, 2014
No disrespect taken.
I normally go straight from driverack mains to the tops and from the driverack sub outs to the subs.
That is the standard way of doing things.
The losing a cable thing, I was just curious as to if it "could" work.
I just won't be lazy and if I am ever feeling lazy, I will lose the driverack altogether and just go from mixer straight to sub then up to the top.

I tried the Aphex Exciter with the Driverack and it does add that little extra oomph.
Using any sonic maximizer or exciter "can" be a dangerous thing because a lot of people have no idea how to properly use it.

I don't really like the sonic maximizers because they really add volume. Like going UP on a 32 band EQ.

The Exciter does not really do that as much. It's the same basic concept as a maximizer but works differently.

It makes the bass either tighter or boomier or deeper sounding or anywhere in between depending on how you set it.
It makes the highs go from glass smooth to crystal clear and shines your top end.

If used too much, you can really fuck shit up but used IN MODERATION, it's a really nice sound.
pdidy 10:31 AM - 19 February, 2014
As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......

Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....

Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....

The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....

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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:45 AM - 19 February, 2014
Dude, I want speakers in my kitchen....
Joee 11:24 AM - 19 February, 2014
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As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......

Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....

Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....

The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....

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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com

you sir are my hero...........lol
pdidy 11:38 AM - 19 February, 2014
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Dude, I want speakers in my kitchen....

the joy of being single, put them anywhere you want too....lol
Joee 11:45 AM - 19 February, 2014
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Dude, I want speakers in my kitchen....

the joy of being single, put them anywhere you want too....lol

no wonder you get away with buying so much sh!t.......lol

i while ago i asked you if the vrx tops sounded better than the zxa5, well i guess that answers that question

congratulations on the new family member.....joy level of having new speakers = having a new baby boy ;)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:46 AM - 19 February, 2014
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you sir are my hero...........lol


I am so living vicariously (speakerwise) thru this dude....
Joee 12:13 PM - 19 February, 2014
just a FYI didy, buy all the speakers that you want NOW......

cause when you finally do get married the convo is going to go something like this

wife says "you want to WHAT, you want to spend $5000 on two the SPEAKERS,ARE YOU CRAZY.........

WHHHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED TO DO THAT! you already have all these other speakers, they all sound the same to me, NOOOOO"

wife says "AND GET THE SHIT OUT MY KITCHEN, i'm tired of looking at this shit, whats all this doing in here any way? what you gonna DJ while i make you breakfast?

GET IT OUT"



i consulted with my crystal ball,thats what it said......lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:25 PM - 19 February, 2014
^^True story^^

I remember the good ole' days when I took over the "Dining Room", right smack in the middle of the house, complete with an amp/processor rack, Cerwin Vega speakers (the carpet made it look house friendly), 12's and mixer in the middle of it all, surrounded by a semi-circle of crates of records vertically stacked between 2-3 crates high.

As IF I was gonna put my stuff in that dusty ole basement....

Needless to say, the NEXT house we moved into HAD a finished basement...so I was kinda OK, until the washing machine flooded once...

The records / equipment weren't damaged at ALL but it put it in perspective of what it would be like IF a major flood happened....

So yeah, we had to move...
pdidy 12:54 PM - 19 February, 2014
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no wonder you get away with buying so much sh!t.......lol

actually ive slowed down alot....
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i while ago i asked you if the vrx tops sounded better than the zxa5, well i guess that answers that question


well i was going by systems ive heard, now that i own it i can prove it so its not official just yet.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:17 PM - 19 February, 2014
Quote:
As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......

Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....

Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....

The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....

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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


It would be great of you donated your EV ZXA5 to a DJ such as my self. LOL
Joee 1:20 PM - 19 February, 2014
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actually ive slowed down alot....

you just bought a pair of speakers that cost $2,000 each & will be buying two more......um i'm not so sure......lol
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:11 PM - 19 February, 2014
lol
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:15 PM - 19 February, 2014
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just a FYI didy, buy all the speakers that you want NOW......

cause when you finally do get married the convo is going to go something like this

wife says "you want to WHAT, you want to spend $5000 on two the SPEAKERS,ARE YOU CRAZY.........

WHHHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED TO DO THAT! you already have all these other speakers, they all sound the same to me, NOOOOO"

wife says "AND GET THE SHIT OUT MY KITCHEN, i'm tired of looking at this shit, whats all this doing in here any way? what you gonna DJ while i make you breakfast?

GET IT OUT"



i consulted with my crystal ball,thats what it said......lol


Not always. My wife is "fairly" supportive of my gear acquiring habits. I would be a lot worse if it wasn't for her though.

I just bought my ZXAs and Yorkvilles last year. Already ordered 2 more intimidator spot 350s this year. Will be getting my 2nd set of trusses this year too. Then I have to get another Yorkville. Hoping to get the DDJ SZ by the end of the year. She was on board with that for the most part. She started to get a little hesitant when I said I want to start buying TVs so I can add that to my setup. She is usually OK with it as it brings in money so its not like I am buying just for the sake of buying, but she did pause a little when I brought up buying the TVs. We will see how the year pans out as I always have to make sure I purchase enough stuff throughout the year to help during tax time!

Didy...keep buying as it helps keep the tax man away! :)
DJ Dynamight 2:26 PM - 19 February, 2014
Nice man...real nice....I gotta hear how that sounds one day.
Joee 2:27 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Not always. My wife is "fairly" supportive of my gear acquiring habits. I would be a lot worse if it wasn't for her though.

tell her you now want to be a two speakers that cost twice as much as the last ones, tell me how that works out
Taipanic 2:53 PM - 19 February, 2014
That will be a nice setup Pdidy. Of course it will sound good and will look more professional in that config than the EVs on sticks. As long as you have the business to justify the cost, spend away! The more I make, the more I upgrade... always looking for the best quality I can justify buying.
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:16 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Not always. My wife is "fairly" supportive of my gear acquiring habits. I would be a lot worse if it wasn't for her though.

tell her you now want to be a two speakers that cost twice as much as the last ones, tell me how that works out


NO! lol :)

Well, the new lighting and trussing is costing me around $3500 all together.
DjCity 3:52 PM - 19 February, 2014
Go ahead.

I'm still happy with my yorkvilles and zxa5's.
Since I got the ramp for the van, moving them had been relatively easy.

Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.

With the yorkies and the zxa5's at low volume, the yorkvilles dust the zxa5's. That is, until you go up on the master.
Once you have some power running, the zxa5's burn everything around them down!

How about the JBL's? Same thing?
djdisbjohn 4:10 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Go ahead.

I'm still happy with my yorkvilles and zxa5's.
Since I got the ramp for the van, moving them had been relatively easy.

Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.

With the yorkies and the zxa5's at low volume, the yorkvilles dust the zxa5's. That is, until you go up on the master.
Once you have some power running, the zxa5's burn everything around them down!

How about the JBL's? Same thing?


which ramp did you go with for your van?
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:16 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Go ahead.

I'm still happy with my yorkvilles and zxa5's.
Since I got the ramp for the van, moving them had been relatively easy.

Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.

With the yorkies and the zxa5's at low volume, the yorkvilles dust the zxa5's. That is, until you go up on the master.
Once you have some power running, the zxa5's burn everything around them down!

How about the JBL's? Same thing?


What settings do you normally keep your ZXAs at? On the speakers as well as on whatever unit you are using (master gain/channel gains/etc..)
SELECT 4:21 PM - 19 February, 2014
These are two totally different speaker designs you guys are talking about here. Absolutely no comparison, one is a 12inch line array and the other is a 15inch full range loudspeaker.

JBL VRX932LP- 100 degree horizontal dispersion (OMG thats wide) and 15 degree vertical dispersion (unbelievably narrow). So if you want at least 50-75 degree vertical coverage you would need at least four or five of them stacked. Also your only gonna get mids and highs from these (No bass) so they must be used with a subwoofer always.

EV zxa5- 90 degree horizontal and 50 degree vertical, thats what most of the speakers you guys own cover. Also its a full range speaker so your gonna get them bass notes as well. Its full range and provide plenty of coverage so they can be used by themselves.

Here is good review of the VRX setup- www.performing-musician.com
DjCity 4:35 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Go ahead.

I'm still happy with my yorkvilles and zxa5's.
Since I got the ramp for the van, moving them had been relatively easy.

Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.

With the yorkies and the zxa5's at low volume, the yorkvilles dust the zxa5's. That is, until you go up on the master.
Once you have some power running, the zxa5's burn everything around them down!

How about the JBL's? Same thing?


which ramp did you go with for your van?


I went with the 5ft. ramp.
DjCity 4:38 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Go ahead.

I'm still happy with my yorkvilles and zxa5's.
Since I got the ramp for the van, moving them had been relatively easy.

Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.

With the yorkies and the zxa5's at low volume, the yorkvilles dust the zxa5's. That is, until you go up on the master.
Once you have some power running, the zxa5's burn everything around them down!

How about the JBL's? Same thing?


What settings do you normally keep your ZXAs at? On the speakers as well as on whatever unit you are using (master gain/channel gains/etc..)


The zxa5's are normally at 8 or 9:00 while the yorkvilles are at about 12 or 1:00.

Gains at about 10 or 11:00
Master goes from 9 to about 11:00 at the night goes on.
Certified Quality Entertainment 5:03 PM - 19 February, 2014
I keep my ZXA around 11. Channels around 11 and master around 11-12.
What mixer you using? I am going straight from my SX Where do you have your volume on Serato DJ or SSL? My autogain is set to 92 (I think...it's whatever the recommended is). and my internal Serato DJ volume is around 10:30/11
pdidy 7:16 PM - 19 February, 2014
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These are two totally different speaker designs you guys are talking about here. Absolutely no comparison, one is a 12inch line array and the other is a 15inch full range loudspeaker.

JBL VRX932LP- 100 degree horizontal dispersion (OMG thats wide) and 15 degree vertical dispersion (unbelievably narrow). So if you want at least 50-75 degree vertical coverage you would need at least four or five of them stacked. Also your only gonna get mids and highs from these (No bass) so they must be used with a subwoofer always.

EV zxa5- 90 degree horizontal and 50 degree vertical, thats what most of the speakers you guys own cover. Also its a full range speaker so your gonna get them bass notes as well. Its full range and provide plenty of coverage so they can be used by themselves.

Here is good review of the VRX setup- www.performing-musician.com

right these 2 speakers are very different and the vrx will not fit most mobile djs requirements. So dont anybody take this as a recommendation to go out and buy these.
Joee 7:21 PM - 19 February, 2014
^ my HERO
SELECT 7:24 PM - 19 February, 2014
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These are two totally different speaker designs you guys are talking about here. Absolutely no comparison, one is a 12inch line array and the other is a 15inch full range loudspeaker.

JBL VRX932LP- 100 degree horizontal dispersion (OMG thats wide) and 15 degree vertical dispersion (unbelievably narrow). So if you want at least 50-75 degree vertical coverage you would need at least four or five of them stacked. Also your only gonna get mids and highs from these (No bass) so they must be used with a subwoofer always.

EV zxa5- 90 degree horizontal and 50 degree vertical, thats what most of the speakers you guys own cover. Also its a full range speaker so your gonna get them bass notes as well. Its full range and provide plenty of coverage so they can be used by themselves.

Here is good review of the VRX setup- www.performing-musician.com

right these 2 speakers are very different and the vrx will not fit most mobile djs requirements. So dont anybody take this as a recommendation to go out and buy these.


The VRX series is dope tho and I think were all bit jealous. Congratulations on the new sound system! Definitely take video at one of your gigs.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:15 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.


Hmmm....
Joee 10:24 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.


Hmmm....

i don't know what you mean there even al low volume you could crank up the bass a little and you have that nice full sound

now if you mean they don't start to SCREAM till you turn them up A BIT....than yes
DJ GaFFle 10:39 PM - 19 February, 2014
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Only thing I don't like is that the zxa5's don't really come to life until you pot some power behind them.


Hmmm....

You can make the same statement about most any powered speaker and I personally disagree as it pertains to the ZXA5's. Now, one could say this about the PRX615's and I'd agree. On the other hand, the KW152's sound extremely lively at low-to-medium volumes but fall apart once you get into the high volume stuff. I'm generalizing and just my opinion.

(nm)
Dj Nyce 4:38 AM - 20 February, 2014
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As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......

Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....

Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....

The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....

...

This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


this dude
DJ GaFFle 7:51 AM - 20 February, 2014
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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


My guess is that you may GAIN gigs and possibly take a next-level step in them, partially because of the advanced "look" of your new system. The more units you pack on each side of your constant-curvature array, the more advanced your system appears making people think your sound services are all that.

Your typical DJ doesn't run an array of any sort and probably shouldn't or doesn't need to; you're just setting yourself apart from the competition with this solution. It is a pricey solution though if you're not pulling in the coin or crowds types to justify their usage. You've definitely expanded your cross-rental'bility choosing a full VRX system, which is another option for revenue.
pdidy 10:03 AM - 20 February, 2014
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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


My guess is that you may GAIN gigs and possibly take a next-level step in them, partially because of the advanced "look" of your new system. The more units you pack on each side of your constant-curvature array, the more advanced your system appears making people think your sound services are all that.

Your typical DJ doesn't run an array of any sort and probably shouldn't or doesn't need to; you're just setting yourself apart from the competition with this solution. It is a pricey solution though if you're not pulling in the coin or crowds types to justify their usage. You've definitely expanded your cross-rental'bility choosing a full VRX system, which is another option for revenue.

Right on every account ;)

My goal is to expand my sound service clientele and im aware of how big a part appearance makes. The response was actually very good today after posting it on facebook and I dont even have the full system yet....lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:32 AM - 20 February, 2014
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As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......



Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....



Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....



The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....
...

This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


this dude


Right?
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:56 PM - 20 February, 2014
Didy. Would you eventually do 2 tops and 2 subs per side? That would be the ideal setup you are looking for?
Even still, renting out to a small band or something having that super professional look, you can probably get away with 1 top and 1 sub per side and be able to do 2 events in one night!

Jealous...but I am happy with my recent purchase. You have any Yorkville PBs you want to sell??? lol
Rebelguy 12:01 AM - 21 February, 2014
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As you all know ive been thinking out loud debating, considering, contemplating for a long time now......

Well I've pretty much decided I'll go JBL VRX918sp Subs and sell off my Yorkville ls801p system. This was done at the expense of higher cost while loosing some SPL in order to gain more potability and improved sound quality. The sound quality was solely for me....

Disclaimer: Most of our (my) clients can not distinguish the difference in sound quality between subs in this range but they can easily hear higher SPL. That includes most dj's....

The next decision was do I keep the EV ZXA5's Or go total VRX system which means new tops ?

Well.....

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This system does require 2 tops per side which allows a lil time to decide if I will officially make the switch (JBL VRX923LAP vs EV ZXA5)

www.jblpro.com


Major props. I have been looking at those or the RCF HDL 20-As for a bigger system.

www.rcf.it
djdisbjohn 12:20 AM - 21 February, 2014
Those RCFs are nice. True line array
pdidy 12:48 AM - 21 February, 2014
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Those RCFs are nice. True line array

Yep...I cant begin to explain how much debating and contemplating ive gone through trying to decide between small True line arrays like the RCF HDL 20, HDL 10-A,db Technologies T8, DB Technologies T4 and the VRX curve array. I learned a lot in my research and have a clear understanding why the "pro's" prefer true line arrays. Im also aware of all the limitations to curve arrays.
pdidy 2:03 AM - 21 February, 2014
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Didy. Would you eventually do 2 tops and 2 subs per side? That would be the ideal setup you are looking for?
Even still, renting out to a small band or something having that super professional look, you can probably get away with 1 top and 1 sub per side and be able to do 2 events in one night!

Jealous...but I am happy with my recent purchase. You have any Yorkville PBs you want to sell??? lol

I generally center cluster my subs but jobs where appearance is important I will use the 2 over 2 setup obrazki.elektroda.net. If everything works out I will step up to 2 over 3 as my final setup. i26.photobucket.com

Due to the small 15 degree vertical dispersion, I need to do some testing to determine if 1 top per side can work for small events
DJ GaFFle 10:32 AM - 21 February, 2014
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Those RCFs are nice. True line array

Yep...I cant begin to explain how much debating and contemplating ive gone through trying to decide between small True line arrays like the RCF HDL 20, HDL 10-A,db Technologies T8, DB Technologies T4 and the VRX curve array. I learned a lot in my research and have a clear understanding why the "pro's" prefer true line arrays. Im also aware of all the limitations to curve arrays.

What Made You Not Go With The Other Choices, Your Current SUBS?
pdidy 8:22 PM - 23 February, 2014
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Those RCFs are nice. True line array

Yep...I cant begin to explain how much debating and contemplating ive gone through trying to decide between small True line arrays like the RCF HDL 20, HDL 10-A,db Technologies T8, DB Technologies T4 and the VRX curve array. I learned a lot in my research and have a clear understanding why the "pro's" prefer true line arrays. Im also aware of all the limitations to curve arrays.

What Made You Not Go With The Other Choices, Your Current SUBS?

It was a combination of different things for each option like:
1. Price
2. Price vs sound quality And output (Band for buck)
3. Brand recognition
4. Professional Appearance (same brand vs brand mixing)
5. System connectivity "Physical" (internal fly ware)
6. System connectivity "Audio" (vrx top an sub "designed" to work together)
7. Ease of use (pole mountable VRX vs expensive additional hardware required)
8. Setup time
DJ GaFFle 1:59 AM - 24 February, 2014
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Those RCFs are nice. True line array

Yep...I cant begin to explain how much debating and contemplating ive gone through trying to decide between small True line arrays like the RCF HDL 20, HDL 10-A,db Technologies T8, DB Technologies T4 and the VRX curve array. I learned a lot in my research and have a clear understanding why the "pro's" prefer true line arrays. Im also aware of all the limitations to curve arrays.

What Made You Not Go With The Other Choices, Your Current SUBS?

It was a combination of different things for each option like:
1. Price
2. Price vs sound quality And output (Band for buck)
3. Brand recognition
4. Professional Appearance (same brand vs brand mixing)
5. System connectivity "Physical" (internal fly ware)
6. System connectivity "Audio" (vrx top an sub "designed" to work together)
7. Ease of use (pole mountable VRX vs expensive additional hardware required)
8. Setup time

Yeah, you made the best choice for your situation. It's funny because after seeing your new "array", I went to my local GC and they had 4 RCF HDL20's and a single 4Pro 8006A on display. Not all GC's will carry the RCF line, only certain stores will stock/push them. They played them and yeah, they (the stack) sounded good, but I wasn't all that impressed with the sub. It could have been the room or room modes. I asked the sales guy how it compared to the SRX728's and he thought they had more throw than the 728's but felt the JBL's had more kick.

(nm)
pdidy 2:54 AM - 24 February, 2014
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Those RCFs are nice. True line array

Yep...I cant begin to explain how much debating and contemplating ive gone through trying to decide between small True line arrays like the RCF HDL 20, HDL 10-A,db Technologies T8, DB Technologies T4 and the VRX curve array. I learned a lot in my research and have a clear understanding why the "pro's" prefer true line arrays. Im also aware of all the limitations to curve arrays.

What Made You Not Go With The Other Choices, Your Current SUBS?

It was a combination of different things for each option like:
1. Price
2. Price vs sound quality And output (Band for buck)
3. Brand recognition
4. Professional Appearance (same brand vs brand mixing)
5. System connectivity "Physical" (internal fly ware)
6. System connectivity "Audio" (vrx top an sub "designed" to work together)
7. Ease of use (pole mountable VRX vs expensive additional hardware required)
8. Setup time

Yeah, you made the best choice for your situation. It's funny because after seeing your new "array", I went to my local GC and they had 4 RCF HDL20's and a single 4Pro 8006A on display. Not all GC's will carry the RCF line, only certain stores will stock/push them. They played them and yeah, they (the stack) sounded good, but I wasn't all that impressed with the sub. It could have been the room or room modes. I asked the sales guy how it compared to the SRX728's and he thought they had more throw than the 728's but felt the JBL's had more kick.

(nm)

When I last tested the vrx918sp vs 4PRO 8003, the vrx goes lower while the RCF goes a lil louder. The difference was not easily noticeable so I would call them comparable. I would be happy with either but I would choose the vrx due to lesser weight.

The RCF HDL20's are a bit better than the vrx in sound quality but at this level of speakers none of my clients could tell the difference or care for that matter.
Funkytownstopsix 3:07 PM - 27 February, 2014
Back to the yorks.... Am I correct that they run 1500 ccontinuous? Most powered subs run 700-750....
Johnnynights 9:59 PM - 2 March, 2014
Sorry to hijack this thread i own 2 cerwin vega cva 121 and this guy told me he will trade me one of his yorkville ls801p for one of mines do you guys think is a good trade?
pdidy 10:18 AM - 4 March, 2014
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Due to the small 15 degree vertical dispersion, I need to do some testing to determine if 1 top per side can work for small events

To my surprise the VRX tops actually work well 1 per side. The trick is your line of site should not see the top or bottom of the speaker cabinet. This therefore puts you within the 15 degree vertical dispersion of a single cabinet.....

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ GaFFle 4:32 PM - 4 March, 2014
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Due to the small 15 degree vertical dispersion, I need to do some testing to determine if 1 top per side can work for small events

To my surprise the VRX tops actually work well 1 per side. The trick is your line of site should not see the top or bottom of the speaker cabinet. This therefore puts you within the 15 degree vertical dispersion of a single cabinet.....

Watchwww.youtube.com

Those look good on sticks but they seemed to be kind of low. How did you like their performance in comparison to what a ZXA5 would have given you?

(nm)
Taipanic 5:37 PM - 4 March, 2014
I agree. I would think you need at least 2 per side for decent coverage, without having to adjust the speaker height in the middle of a gig. Even raised, I think a single cab with its 15 degree dispersion pattern will not be optimal for an average group of people in a traditional small to medium size event room. It's why I'm not a fan of arrays for most wedding/party events. I do understand your reasons for going this route and agree it is not a bad choice for what kind of business you do. The downside is that it more expensive and not optimal for smaller gigs but it will allow you to get bigger gigs, live music shows, etc... which in your case will probably work out in your favor.
pdidy 6:18 PM - 4 March, 2014
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Due to the small 15 degree vertical dispersion, I need to do some testing to determine if 1 top per side can work for small events

To my surprise the VRX tops actually work well 1 per side. The trick is your line of site should not see the top or bottom of the speaker cabinet. This therefore puts you within the 15 degree vertical dispersion of a single cabinet.....

Watchwww.youtube.com

Those look good on sticks but they seemed to be kind of low. How did you like their performance in comparison to what a ZXA5 would have given you?

(nm)

I was using the VRX system for a seated audience at the time so I did not need to raise them.
Due to time limits and schedules I really didn't get the opportunity to push the VRX system as I wanted to. The VRX are a little cleaner then the Zxa5 but it's not night and day but the 100 degree horizontal dispersion was quite noticeable.
pdidy 6:28 PM - 4 March, 2014
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I agree. I would think you need at least 2 per side for decent coverage, without having to adjust the speaker height in the middle of a gig. Even raised, I think a single cab with its 15 degree dispersion pattern will not be optimal for an average group of people in a traditional small to medium size event room. It's why I'm not a fan of arrays for most wedding/party events. I do understand your reasons for going this route and agree it is not a bad choice for what kind of business you do. The downside is that it more expensive and not optimal for smaller gigs but it will allow you to get bigger gigs, live music shows, etc... which in your case will probably work out in your favor.

yep, there are limitations and requirements with this system that a standard point source speaker will work better or easier for.
DJ GaFFle 6:44 PM - 4 March, 2014
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...I was using the VRX system for a seated audience at the time so I did not need to raise them.
Due to time limits and schedules I really didn't get the opportunity to push the VRX system as I wanted to. The VRX are a little cleaner then the Zxa5 but it's not night and day but the 100 degree horizontal dispersion was quite noticeable.


Dude, I just did a church anniversary function with around 700 in attendance. The main room had a live band and their church sound system, 4 dB Technologies t12's per side, on top of a pair of dB Technologies S20 subs per side. The system seemed overkill for 700 people but churches usually do it big when it comes to sound. Having that wide dispersion was perfect for the way the round tables were spread out. Simple 90 degree point-source tops wouldn't have done this venue justice.
I had a paltry pair of EV SBa750's with a pair of RCF 312A's. I had to back my system down due to the 15amp limits in the room I was spinning in + my light truss was drawing on power too.

(nm)
Taipanic 6:08 PM - 5 March, 2014
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...I was using the VRX system for a seated audience at the time so I did not need to raise them.
Due to time limits and schedules I really didn't get the opportunity to push the VRX system as I wanted to. The VRX are a little cleaner then the Zxa5 but it's not night and day but the 100 degree horizontal dispersion was quite noticeable.


Dude, I just did a church anniversary function with around 700 in attendance. The main room had a live band and their church sound system, 4 dB Technologies t12's per side, on top of a pair of dB Technologies S20 subs per side. The system seemed overkill for 700 people but churches usually do it big when it comes to sound. Having that wide dispersion was perfect for the way the round tables were spread out. Simple 90 degree point-source tops wouldn't have done this venue justice.
I had a paltry pair of EV SBa750's with a pair of RCF 312A's. I had to back my system down due to the 15amp limits in the room I was spinning in + my light truss was drawing on power too.

(nm)


Nice specs on those T12s, how did they sound?
For most of the rooms I play the 90 degree horizontal dispersion is sufficient. If I need more I will set up another pair of speakers outside the horizontal throw of the main speakers. For me, paying for 2-3 array tops per side for 30 degree coverage is way out of my justifiable expenditures. For gigs I do, I would only need an arrayed system if the room was really long, like an airplane hanger. For those, I rent or sub the sound out.
DJ GaFFle 7:53 PM - 5 March, 2014
I'll have to admit, when I see an array system, it looks pretty damn cool. It looks so 'pro' to me. Those T12s sound really good but I couldn't really judge considering it was a live band. I'd have to hear playback music through them to get a better gauge and perhaps have an opposing system to get the real A/B sense.

(nm)
SELECT 8:43 PM - 5 March, 2014
Line array systems are dope no doubt. The tops are built to project sound farther than your normal speakers. Think of the sound wave as a wide, but narrow beam. From my experience though to get that concert sound you need a lot of them to sound great aka a ton of cash lol.

en.wikipedia.org
pdidy 10:11 PM - 8 March, 2014
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Kx12 ?
Are you referring to the ex12 by kv2 www.kv2audio.com

Great review, I'm not surprised at the yorkvilles good performance.

Didn't know about these... yorkville.com

Would you have considered these or do they not compare with your VRX932A's?

(nm)

Yes they were heavily considered, I've demoed these more than any of the others considered.
They sound great and are much cheaper than the jbl vrx932lap. All considered, they only beat the jbl in price but are still great speakers.
pdidy 12:00 AM - 11 March, 2014
Finally got a chance to do some serious testing with the jbl vrx932lap this weekend.
At this point I'm convinced they can be used 1 per side at events up to 400 at club volume in doors.

They were mounted approx. 6.5ft in the air on tripods and retained a crisp, clean (in your face) output out to 75ft (the venues back wall). To my surprise, I was able to reach club volumes without any peaking or limiting (red light) the entire night and I didn't feel like I was lacking in output considering I play very loud.

I had to run the tops approx. -6db below the subs so that they would not completely out run the 2 vrx subs. I play bass heavy so im sure if I played 1 top a max volume, it would keep up with 3 vrx subs depending on the "sound" I want to achieve. I comparison, a EV zxa5 will also keep up with 3 vrx subs but im not 100% sure which one is louder yet without an actual side by side test. In standalone mode with no subs the EV will win because of its bass output.

I ran the system directly off of my rane 62 with no additional processing or line mixer and the sound was still very impressive.

I did push them to limiting and they retained a clean output so I was impressed with the speakers internal processing and addition headroom if ever needed.
Taipanic 4:16 PM - 11 March, 2014
My question would be how was the sound up close (on the dance floor). With only 10 degree vertical throw, I would think it might not be good enough with only 1 cab per side. Even concert setups have side or front fill to cover what the array doesn't. I'm sure it sounds great at the back of the room though, as the sound spreads; and I am sure it was plenty loud.
pdidy 6:45 PM - 11 March, 2014
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My question would be how was the sound up close (on the dance floor). With only 10 degree vertical throw, I would think it might not be good enough with only 1 cab per side. Even concert setups have side or front fill to cover what the array doesn't. I'm sure it sounds great at the back of the room though, as the sound spreads; and I am sure it was plenty loud.

Before I actually tested it I was thinking exactly like you and figured it could not work close up. im 5'7 and from only 2ft away i was automatically in the area of dispersion. The vertical dispersion is 15 degrees and anyone who can not see the top or bottom of the speaker is within this area.
Taipanic 7:10 PM - 11 March, 2014
Cool.
Would love to do an A/B comparison of this setup and the ZXa5 setup to hear the overall sound in the room at various points. I've always liked how the sound of EV speakers seems to fill the room with sound without being overbearing to the non-dancing people. Visually, the arrayed cabinet look is so much better than any speakers on sticks setup. I've considered mounting tops to truss but spending $1k for truss per side to replace a $100 stand is cost prohibitive to me at this time.
pdidy 7:40 PM - 11 March, 2014
For one speaker per side configurations the ev zxa5 wins every time. It's the 2 speaker per side configurations that are more debatable.
DJ GaFFle 6:36 PM - 13 March, 2014
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For one speaker per side configurations the ev zxa5 wins every time. It's the 2 speaker per side configurations that are more debatable.

So do you think a single ZXA5 compares closely to a pair of your VRX932LAP's?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:24 PM - 13 March, 2014
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For one speaker per side configurations the ev zxa5 wins every time. It's the 2 speaker per side configurations that are more debatable.


So do you think a single ZXA5 compares closely to a pair of your VRX932LAP's?


I was trying to figure out if he meant "One Speaker Per Side" as in ONE ZXA5 or TWO ZXA5's per side for TOPS (Including a Sub), ONE ZXA5 and one SUB, or just a ZXA5 or TWO by themselves per side...
pdidy 10:06 PM - 13 March, 2014
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For one speaker per side configurations the ev zxa5 wins every time. It's the 2 speaker per side configurations that are more debatable.


So do you think a single ZXA5 compares closely to a pair of your VRX932LAP's?


I was trying to figure out if he meant "One Speaker Per Side" as in ONE ZXA5 or TWO ZXA5's per side for TOPS (Including a Sub), ONE ZXA5 and one SUB, or just a ZXA5 or TWO by themselves per side...

The ev and vrx are comparable 1 to 1 in "output" when used with a sub. But....

1 speaker per side no sub (standalone): ev wins due to lower bass response.
1 speaker per side with sub: ev wins due to wider vertical coverage, work in any room.

When 2 speaker per side are used, the ev looses the mentioned advantages or they become moot.

2 speaker per side with subs: VRX wins due to better "Arrayability" even by a novice. No comb filtering or frequency cancellation due to user error. More energy focused on floor rather than walls. Even coverage front to back due to adjustable outputs (far and close speaker assignable). Clean professional appearance as opposed to 4 ev speakers on 4 tripods. This was a deal breaker "for me", for many years I've used the 4 speaker 4 tripod setup and the appearance ALWAYS annoyed me a little but I had no other option. So adding/upgrading too 4 zxa5 was not a look I was looking forward too.

If the output of 4 tops are required, subs "should" be used which is why that setup was ejected as an advantage for the EV.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:18 PM - 13 March, 2014
Gotcha.
pdidy 10:46 PM - 13 March, 2014
Heres an example of the 2 top per side look I wanted to avoid i1340.photobucket.com (sorry ninos, not dissing)

Mind you I've been doing 2 and 3 per side for yrs with my Yorkville system....lol
i26.photobucket.com
Johnnynights 10:51 PM - 13 March, 2014
Hey pdidy i have one yorkville ls801p what settings do you recommend me since you own many of them?

On mines i have the shape at 12,and on high freq roll off i have it either at 90 or 12(in the middle).
pdidy 11:10 PM - 13 March, 2014
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Hey pdidy i have one yorkville ls801p what settings do you recommend me since you own many of them?

On mines i have the shape at 12,and on high freq roll off i have it either at 90 or 12(in the middle).

I would generally set all 3 settings at 12oclock (volume, shape and frequency) for the best sound with minimal trade off when NOT using a processor.
SELECT 6:05 PM - 22 March, 2014
Hey guys real quick vid of recent sound check at mobile gig. Im using two JBL SRX715 tops and one JBL SRX718s bottom. Im using them with crown and qsc amps. For those of you with the VRX918s how does my sub compare? I think they are pretty close in specs although mine are passive. Not that you can honestly tell from a camera phone video, but in your opinion which one hits harder, sound better? Im trying to make a choice to sell my subs and go with a powered sub, specifically the VRX918s. Use your DJ headphones to listen to get a better sense of the bass if possible. I want to possibly go powered within the next few weeks. Thanks.

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djdisbjohn 7:06 PM - 22 March, 2014
SRX is pretty much passive version of VRX. They use the same driver
pdidy 7:14 PM - 22 March, 2014
The vrx918sp is just perfectly powered and processed to jbls specifications.
SELECT 9:01 PM - 22 March, 2014
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The vrx918sp is just perfectly powered and processed to jbls specifications.


Yeah, Im using a Qsc amp that is extremelly heavy. Its extra weight I want to eliminate.
ancientyouth 12:14 AM - 25 March, 2014
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Heres an example of the 2 top per side look I wanted to avoid i1340.photobucket.com (sorry ninos, not dissing)

Mind you I've been doing 2 and 3 per side for yrs with my Yorkville system....lol
i26.photobucket.com


I suggest making stacks of 3 to 4 subs tall (Yorks on sides) then put 2 tops on top of it . The perceived level of bass is higher when a sub is at head/chest height. Also it's a lot more professional looking when ONLY the monitors are on stands . lol.
pdidy 12:58 AM - 25 March, 2014
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Heres an example of the 2 top per side look I wanted to avoid i1340.photobucket.com (sorry ninos, not dissing)

Mind you I've been doing 2 and 3 per side for yrs with my Yorkville system....lol
i26.photobucket.com


I suggest making stacks of 3 to 4 subs tall (Yorks on sides) then put 2 tops on top of it . The perceived level of bass is higher when a sub is at head/chest height. Also it's a lot more professional looking when ONLY the monitors are on stands . lol.

Exactly, I like that look and its more professional but then I have to give up center clustering......I don't think I want that trade off.
Funkytownstopsix 12:45 AM - 15 April, 2014
anybody know where I can get these VRX for about 1500 a piece
pdidy 4:51 AM - 15 April, 2014
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anybody know where I can get these VRX for about 1500 a piece

Yes, proaudiostar.com but you will need to haggle a bit.
Funkytownstopsix 2:07 PM - 15 April, 2014
Really I am going to haggle today....We are talking about the sp's correct (active)
Funkytownstopsix 3:58 PM - 15 April, 2014
Damn dude I got them for pretty close to that... :) I would tell how much but wheres the fun for the next guy.

I went back and fourth on this and I really wanted the Yorks because as you said one York=2 VRX Which meant 2 Yorks 4 VRX That stuck so much in my mind I was not considering the weight. Then I thought hell I'm not doing concerts I am playing to crowds between 150-300 so do I really need the Yorks coupled with the weight. No so I decided to go VRX... Now I will have the line arrays on my wish list. To Be Continued.. : ) Thanks for the help Diddy... Do thes things come with wheels?
and can 2 VRX's handle a crowd size 150-300....?
Joee 4:14 PM - 15 April, 2014
you got it for $1,550 shipped
Funkytownstopsix 4:17 PM - 15 April, 2014
fudge you joe....how did you know? LOL
Joee 4:33 PM - 15 April, 2014
cause i bought one from them......
Funkytownstopsix 4:34 PM - 15 April, 2014
trying to get them down 2 1500 was hard so I quit.. either way good deal to say the least.. I hope I am happy with them...
Joee 4:39 PM - 15 April, 2014
i think you should have considered the new ev 18's also there same price point even a little cheaper
electrovoice.com

but if you were looking for the biggest sound you could get out of a small box you made the right choice
Funkytownstopsix 4:44 PM - 15 April, 2014
yeah I looked at them too... but they weighed if I recall like 120... Not that it was a deal breaker but I am a mobile dj that is trying to be more mobile...
Funkytownstopsix 4:45 PM - 15 April, 2014
I wish I could put my equimpent on gurneys an rool in and set up.... and rool out lol I'll keep dreaming.
pdidy 6:50 PM - 15 April, 2014
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Do thes things come with wheels?

nope...
the jbl caster kit is $89.....I found the same no vibration/noise wheels at home depot for $40

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can 2 VRX's handle a crowd size 150-300....?


Sure but it also depends on what you're personal expectations are and the types of events you do.

2 yorks can easily handle 300, so my goal was to achieve this output with VRX.

So after alot of gigs and testing I realized 3 VRX got very close to the 2 yorkville output I was so accustomed too.
Funkytownstopsix 6:57 PM - 15 April, 2014
Thanks I wanted to feel better about my $3100 dollar purchase... I have to wait a week though as they are shipping from Cali.
SELECT 7:09 PM - 15 April, 2014
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Do thes things come with wheels?

nope...
the jbl caster kit is $89.....I found the same no vibration/noise wheels at home depot for $40

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can 2 VRX's handle a crowd size 150-300....?


Sure but it also depends on what you're personal expectations are and the types of events you do.

2 yorks can easily handle 300, so my goal was to achieve this output with VRX.

So after alot of gigs and testing I realized 3 VRX got very close to the 2 yorkville output I was so accustomed too.


Wow, are your serious, I might get those casters this week from home depot!!
Funkytownstopsix 7:14 PM - 15 April, 2014
on those wheels if you find the time send a link for those home depot wheels.... Thanks
Funkytownstopsix 7:16 PM - 15 April, 2014
I think these are them but not sure.. www.homedepot.com
pdidy 8:45 PM - 15 April, 2014
They're easily recognized be the white plastic band around the base of the wheel. images.cloud.worthpoint.com
SELECT 8:45 PM - 15 April, 2014
link doesnt work
LoLyfe 8:52 PM - 15 April, 2014
hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.
pdidy 8:55 PM - 15 April, 2014
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They're easily recognized be the white plastic band around the base of the wheel. images.cloud.worthpoint.com

www.sesystems.com

I would recommend taking your sub to the store with you to ensure you get the right size.
SELECT 8:56 PM - 15 April, 2014
I might leave it in my trunk and buy just one first, thanks!
pdidy 9:26 PM - 15 April, 2014
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hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.

Assuming you have 2 tops and 2 subs......

you would need 4 subs (PSA1S) & 4 PSA1 tops = roughly $14,500 to equal your current setup.
djdisbjohn 7:55 AM - 16 April, 2014
I probably could have got you that pricing on the vrx subs locally through GC Pro
Funkytownstopsix 1:19 PM - 16 April, 2014
whould that be with or without tax...
LoLyfe 1:24 PM - 16 April, 2014
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hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.

Assuming you have 2 tops and 2 subs......

you would need 4 subs (PSA1S) & 4 PSA1 tops = roughly $14,500 to equal your current setup.


really? wow that sucks. I actually have 4 ZX-5A's, 2 LS 808's and 4 MP 418's.

I was trying to simplify the setup but from what you are saying the output on the PSA's are no match to my passive stuff. Have you gotten a chance to hear them or are you basing your response off of specs?
pdidy 6:03 PM - 16 April, 2014
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hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.

Assuming you have 2 tops and 2 subs......

you would need 4 subs (PSA1S) & 4 PSA1 tops = roughly $14,500 to equal your current setup.


really? wow that sucks. I actually have 4 ZX-5A's, 2 LS 808's and 4 MP 418's.

I was trying to simplify the setup but from what you are saying the output on the PSA's are no match to my passive stuff. Have you gotten a chance to hear them or are you basing your response off of specs?

the store that i buy some of my jbl vrx/yorkville from has them in stock so ive been demoing them for a long time now. I also own zxa5's and yorkville 801's which is the powered version of your set. So im very familiar with these speakers and specs cant be trusted.
LoLyfe 6:47 PM - 16 April, 2014
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hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.

Assuming you have 2 tops and 2 subs......

you would need 4 subs (PSA1S) & 4 PSA1 tops = roughly $14,500 to equal your current setup.


really? wow that sucks. I actually have 4 ZX-5A's, 2 LS 808's and 4 MP 418's.

I was trying to simplify the setup but from what you are saying the output on the PSA's are no match to my passive stuff. Have you gotten a chance to hear them or are you basing your response off of specs?

the store that i buy some of my jbl vrx/yorkville from has them in stock so ive been demoing them for a long time now. I also own zxa5's and yorkville 801's which is the powered version of your set. So im very familiar with these speakers and specs cant be trusted.


gotcha. Im also from NY...Queens. This store you deal with got good pricing?
pdidy 7:20 PM - 16 April, 2014
Yes if you don't mind haggling for the best price

VIP PRO AUDIO
215 Conklin Ave, BROOKLYN, NY
(718) 272-7228
LoLyfe 7:30 PM - 16 April, 2014
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Yes if you don't mind haggling for the best price

VIP PRO AUDIO
215 Conklin Ave, BROOKLYN, NY
(718) 272-7228


lol....that everywhere. thanks for the share.
dj_soo 10:01 PM - 16 April, 2014
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hey any thoughts on the Yorkville PSA1/PSA1A/PSA2S series?

Currently running all passive EV ZX5-A + Yorkville LS808's
use a macrotech 2400 for the EV's and a iNuke 6000DSP for the LS808's.

Assuming you have 2 tops and 2 subs......

you would need 4 subs (PSA1S) & 4 PSA1 tops = roughly $14,500 to equal your current setup.


really? wow that sucks. I actually have 4 ZX-5A's, 2 LS 808's and 4 MP 418's.

I was trying to simplify the setup but from what you are saying the output on the PSA's are no match to my passive stuff. Have you gotten a chance to hear them or are you basing your response off of specs?


PSA subs are meh imo - the tops are alright for a cheap line array system, but you'll get better performance out of your existing system.

The newer Parasource line on the other hand are the truth. Haven't heard the new subs yet but the PS12Ps pound and they sound great.
Funkytownstopsix 9:14 PM - 24 April, 2014
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Delivered via freight very light and easy to move. Once they have the wheels on them they will be to easy to move. Best part they fit under my truck bed cover. Thanks for all the info guys.
pdidy 9:47 PM - 24 April, 2014
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Delivered via freight very light and easy to move. Once they have the wheels on them they will be to easy to move. Best part they fit under my truck bed cover. Thanks for all the info guys.

Aaaaah shit.......its Christmas time !
pdidy 9:53 PM - 24 April, 2014
Funkytownstopsix, What subs were you using prior to buying the VRX.
Funkytownstopsix 11:15 PM - 24 April, 2014
I dare not say.. Yet since you asked some Mackies
pdidy 12:29 AM - 25 April, 2014
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I dare not say.. Yet since you asked some Mackies

LOL ....
which ones ?....c1.zzounds.com
Joee 2:20 AM - 25 April, 2014
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I dare not say.. Yet since you asked some Mackies

LOL ....
which ones ?....c1.zzounds.com

hold up, rcf made a 15 sub for mackie that was pretty nice
Funkytownstopsix 2:29 AM - 25 April, 2014
Yeah that one... lol.....
Funkytownstopsix 2:30 AM - 25 April, 2014
They worked pretty good for years...... i hope the vrx is an upgrade. .....
pdidy 2:33 AM - 25 April, 2014
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Yeah that one... lol.....

One of my Dj partners owns those so I'm familiar with the sound. So have you tested the vrx yet ?
Funkytownstopsix 2:42 AM - 25 April, 2014
Kinda I hooked one up to my cell phone with top in d garage. It sounded pretty crisp but it was a cell phone. The song I use to test subs is stetsonic on fire... lots of different base in that song. But I had no time to do more testing.
Funkytownstopsix 2:43 AM - 25 April, 2014
My macs sound better at this point.
pdidy 3:13 AM - 25 April, 2014
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My macs sound better at this point.

Wow....that would be crazy if you actually preferred the sound of the mackies. Lol

These are two very different sounding subs, the Mackie has a kick drum bass and plays higher in the upper bass frequencies. The vrx has that low shake/rattle the room bass and goes much lower in the bass frequencies. You will hear low bass tones louder on the vrx that the mackie does not produce.

Btw, make sure the crossover is set to 80hz, they should not be played at 120hz.

Also make sure bypass is engaged if you are jumping from one to the other.
DJ GaFFle 2:02 PM - 25 April, 2014
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I dare not say.. Yet since you asked some Mackies

LOL ....
which ones ?....c1.zzounds.com

Those use to knock and knock hard!

The problem is, when they're really pushed, they have a cardboard box sound and when they get used for some period, the screws up front loosen and the enclosure rattles. Poor design.
SELECT 3:21 PM - 25 April, 2014
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I dare not say.. Yet since you asked some Mackies

LOL ....
which ones ?....c1.zzounds.com

Those use to knock and knock hard!

The problem is, when they're really pushed, they have a cardboard box sound and when they get used for some period, the screws up front loosen and the enclosure rattles. Poor design.



My very first set of DJ speakers were Mackie SRM 450's and the SW1801. That setup used to BUMP... when they werent overheating and turning off lol. I really enjoyed the sound to be honest. That sub was a beast!! Complete front firing, straight to the dancefloor. The tops sounded fantastic too, but I had to attach fans to the back of them just to get them to stay on. It ruined many gigs having to deal with that.
Funkytownstopsix 3:37 PM - 25 April, 2014
LOL I feel better about my old Mackie's they still do me good but you can't really push them without issues very good for weddings. They do sound good though!!! I felt that it was time to move on to the next stage of sound. I won't get to play with my VRX's till next week out of town with MOM. One thing I do know is that I cant lose the power cable to the VRX as it's proprietary. Now the ZXA5's or the Vrx932Lap's are on my list I wonder what I can get them for from ProAudio?
djdisbjohn 3:51 PM - 25 April, 2014
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LOL I feel better about my old Mackie's they still do me good but you can't really push them without issues very good for weddings. They do sound good though!!! I felt that it was time to move on to the next stage of sound. I won't get to play with my VRX's till next week out of town with MOM. One thing I do know is that I cant lose the power cable to the VRX as it's proprietary. Now the ZXA5's or the Vrx932Lap's are on my list I wonder what I can get them for from ProAudio?


They're powercon cables. You can get them at many places and can make your own buying the neutrik powercon end
Funkytownstopsix 4:02 PM - 25 April, 2014
Then I will be making me a few.
DJ GaFFle 5:03 PM - 25 April, 2014
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LOL I feel better about my old Mackie's they still do me good but you can't really push them without issues very good for weddings. They do sound good though!!! I felt that it was time to move on to the next stage of sound. I won't get to play with my VRX's till next week out of town with MOM. One thing I do know is that I cant lose the power cable to the VRX as it's proprietary. Now the ZXA5's or the Vrx932Lap's are on my list I wonder what I can get them for from ProAudio?

Dude... consider the route PDidy went with the JBL VRX curve-array tops. The look alone screams you're on another level as far as presentation. Not saying they're a better solution than the ZXA5's but you can add to them and the more you have, the better the look. Down the road, four ZXA5's would holla with authority but the look of 4 tripods is a turn off (IMO). That array build just stacks so nicely. Besides, it would take about 10 VRX subs to keep up with 4 ZXA5 tops, LoL.
Funkytownstopsix 8:20 PM - 25 April, 2014
Well I would love to have the Laps but damn man... I think I would have to get 3 to equal on ZX maybe not. But you are correct they look damn good set up. I want to more VRX's and 4 Lps can you say big money. I was really going to get the Yorks but everybody scared me and I am kinda glad I did. I'm not doing major concerts mostly company functions and and lots of weddings. So I should be ok with just two VRX Laps.
Funkytownstopsix 8:21 PM - 25 April, 2014
if I go that route and yes I have been drinking...
Joee 8:41 PM - 25 April, 2014
congrats Funkytownstopsix , you will be very happy with your purchase

i must be honest, i wan't sure if you were going to buy the sub's or more wine ;)
Funkytownstopsix 10:34 PM - 25 April, 2014
Lol after i paid for the subs i drank like never before. Would have gotten them months ago but was fighting with getting the Yorks. I found out last week that i have bulging disk in my back so Yorks got killed. Im throwing these vrxs with no issue i almost fell i can Carry one in each hand.
Funkytownstopsix 10:35 PM - 25 April, 2014
Feel like
Joee 10:47 PM - 25 April, 2014
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Lol. I found out last week that i have bulging disk in my back so Yorks got killed. Im throwing these vrxs with no issue i almost fell i can Carry one in each hand.

sorry to hear that ,make sure you put casters on them to make it easier for you

with back problems i would have looked at these, be leave me when i tell you they sound bigger than they look

electrovoice.com

electrovoice.com

four sb122's & two sx300's is one nice sounding system, i used it my self
Taipanic 1:09 AM - 26 April, 2014
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Lol. I found out last week that i have bulging disk in my back so Yorks got killed. Im throwing these vrxs with no issue i almost fell i can Carry one in each hand.

sorry to hear that ,make sure you put casters on them to make it easier for you

with back problems i would have looked at these, be leave me when i tell you they sound bigger than they look

electrovoice.com

electrovoice.com

four sb122's & two sx300's is one nice sounding system, i used it my self


I don't think the SB122s cut it for today's EDM & Hip Hop. They are good sounding but more of a sound filler rather than dropping any hard hitting bass. The ZX1 & SB760 both hit way harder.
Funkytownstopsix 11:35 AM - 26 April, 2014
; ) no way I'm going smaller ever. The vrx's are light to me even with my back jacked up. Actually my back feels fine but whole right leg is numb. I think I could handle the Yorks too but glad I don't have to now. Dream set up 4 vrx subs and 4 line array tops. ;) 6 speakers away.
DJMIXX79 5:28 PM - 26 April, 2014
OK - I have read (and enjoyed) this whole thread. All 1000+ posts.. and I have some questions if you guys don't mind.

I have no speakers right now. I have sold everything that I had, and in the market for a new setup. I need sound to cover 500 people. This will be a mobile setup, but I also have help (another person or two) however, I have a sedan.

I am able to take two sedans to deliver all equipment, if needed. (until I get a van or something)

Based on the threads, I am leaning towards these yorkie subs.. however, I'm wondering what's next best? I'm not concerned with the price, but the weight and size, I am.

I have not figured out what tops I would need yet.

Based on having 1 or 2 sedans with backseat and one passenger seat available, what would you guys buy for a sound setup for 500 people. Anything over 500, I would rent to "add-on" to the current setup.
pdidy 5:48 PM - 26 April, 2014
How do you get 4 subs this size and 2-4 tops in a car ? i26.photobucket.com
DJMIXX79 5:52 PM - 26 April, 2014
ouch.. didn't know they were that huge.. what would be the next best that would fit in a car?
Joee 5:57 PM - 26 April, 2014
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man play tetris, it will fit

them subs are looking very lonely with only two tops they want two more
DJMIXX79 6:02 PM - 26 April, 2014
If i did go ahead and get those yorkies, what tops are recommended?
pdidy 6:21 PM - 26 April, 2014
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If i did go ahead and get those yorkies, what tops are recommended?

Ev Zxa5's are one of the few affordable tops that only need 2 to handle 500 peeps.
DJMIXX79 6:26 PM - 26 April, 2014
So 2 Zxa5's and 2 yorkie subs would do it?
Joee 6:27 PM - 26 April, 2014
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So 2 Zxa5's and 2 yorkie subs would do it?

it would & nicely too
pdidy 6:29 PM - 26 April, 2014
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ouch.. didn't know they were that huge.. what would be the next best that would fit in a car?

Doesn't matter cause they're all of similar size. Transporting a system for 500 in a car is totally unrealistic.
Joee 6:31 PM - 26 April, 2014
^ tetris .........lol

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJMIXX79 6:32 PM - 26 April, 2014
I agree that it's unrealistic, but in the meantime, If I need to rent a truck - that's fine. I have a car right now, and I have gigs to go to. I just need to know what speaks are going to work well - so I appreciate the advice. I will purchase what's been advised.
pdidy 6:39 PM - 26 April, 2014
In case you're not aware, ev zxa5's require a compressor/limiter.
DJMIXX79 6:44 PM - 26 April, 2014
pdidy, please explain?
DJMIXX79 6:47 PM - 26 April, 2014
They have no clip lights I see.
pdidy 6:50 PM - 26 April, 2014
As great as the zxa5 is, it does NOT have great internal speaker protection. So you really need to know what you're doing with them. They are best for experienced users.
pdidy 6:51 PM - 26 April, 2014
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They have no clip lights I see.

Exactly, so there's no visual indication of overdriving them.
Funkytownstopsix 8:07 PM - 26 April, 2014
Wtf
pdidy 10:18 PM - 26 April, 2014
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Wtf

Wtf what ?
Joee 10:51 PM - 26 April, 2014
for everyone wanting to buy a pair of zxa5's, this speaker here might be worth looking at i have not heard it yet but the specs look good
www.rcf.it
Joee 10:53 PM - 26 April, 2014
1:30 take a look at the high compression driver/the horn
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:58 AM - 27 April, 2014
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for everyone wanting to buy a pair of zxa5's, this speaker here might be worth looking at i have not heard it yet but the specs look good

www.rcf.it


I dunno about RCF anymore.

I was just talking to my speaker guy, and he said RCF parts are IMPOSSIBLE to get...Period.

He was the only Authorized RCF guy around in Jerz too, and he was like, "No mas"...RCF wasn't too happy with him.

I asked him about what he thought were the best Powered joints, and he instantly said QSC, simply because nobody in the INDUSTRY has a warranty like they do.

Said if you get a QSC, immediately register it for warranty coverage, and you're straight for 6 YEARS. Even if the speaker falls off of a truck. Straight up.

His number 2 was JBL, and then I mentioned the EV's (Joee's favorite), and he was agreeable, but he said there are MAD unknown companies from Italy and whatnot that have BANGERS out that nobody pays attention to.
dj_soo 4:28 AM - 27 April, 2014
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If i did go ahead and get those yorkies, what tops are recommended?


no way will you fit even on LS801P in a sedan.
dj_soo 4:30 AM - 27 April, 2014
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I asked him about what he thought were the best Powered joints, and he instantly said QSC, simply because nobody in the INDUSTRY has a warranty like they do.


Yamaha now offers a 7 year warranty which one year longer than QSC - not sure if it's as comprehensive tho.
DJMIXX79 5:48 AM - 27 April, 2014
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but he said there are MAD unknown companies from Italy and whatnot that have BANGERS out that nobody pays attention to.



www.rmcaudiodirect.com
DJMIXX79 5:48 AM - 27 April, 2014
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If i did go ahead and get those yorkies, what tops are recommended?


no way will you fit even on LS801P in a sedan.



I would rent a truck until I get a bigger automobile.
Joee 1:46 PM - 27 April, 2014
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I was just talking to my speaker guy, and he said RCF parts are IMPOSSIBLE to get...Period.

i don't know man, rcf has some of the best after sales service i have ever experienced i just called them directly for the from cover of a speaker/speaker case front half they gave me the part number said it we have it in stock.....called my dealer and bam

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I asked him about what he thought were the best Powered joints, and he instantly said QSC, simply because nobody in the INDUSTRY has a warranty like they do.

yamaha has a 7 or 8 year warranty also & sound better

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His number 2 was JBL, and then I mentioned the EV's (Joee's favorite), and he was agreeable, but he said there are MAD unknown companies from Italy and whatnot that have BANGERS out that nobody pays attention to.

i've never been a fan of jbl's for top box's bass yes, the yamaha dxr line sounds better than the jbl prx700 series & them fbt promaxx 14a's are looking real nice even if they are ugly another italian made joint
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:29 PM - 27 April, 2014
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i don't know man, rcf has some of the best after sales service i have ever experienced i just called them directly for the from cover of a speaker/speaker case front half they gave me the part number said it we have it in stock.....called my dealer and bam


Not saying it can't be done, but just putting it out there.

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yamaha has a 7 or 8 year warranty also & sound better

Sound better? So the EV's are just louder?

Oh, and I asked him specifically about the EXZXA5's, and he said he constantly replacing the woofers because they keep getting blown by people who can't handle the speaker not having a limiter.

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i've never been a fan of jbl's for top box's bass yes, the yamaha dxr line sounds better than the jbl prx700 series & them fbt promaxx 14a's are looking real nice even if they are ugly another italian made joint


I need to find out the names he was referring to, I was driving when I was talking to him.
Joee 3:58 PM - 27 April, 2014
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Sound better? So the EV's are just louder?

the yamaha sound better than qsc not ev
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constantly replacing the woofers because they keep getting blown by people who can't handle


shut up..lol don't remind me......lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:05 PM - 27 April, 2014
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shut up..lol don't remind me......lol


:-)
Joee 5:43 PM - 27 April, 2014
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shut up..lol don't remind me......lol


:-)

i didn't blow it
Funkytownstopsix 3:27 PM - 6 May, 2014
Been a little out of pocket but wanted to stop by and say that these are the lightest big bass subs that I have come across. THE VRX SUB THAT IS. I see why they cost so much weight to sound ratio. I want 2 more so I can really clown. The clarity of bass is on point,,,, damn the sound good.
pdidy 7:30 PM - 6 May, 2014
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Been a little out of pocket but wanted to stop by and say that these are the lightest big bass subs that I have come across. THE VRX SUB THAT IS. I see why they cost so much weight to sound ratio. I want 2 more so I can really clown. The clarity of bass is on point,,,, damn the sound good.

You sure, I was beginning to think you were disappointed in them and preferred the Mackie sound ?

Oh yes 4 is the magic number, it's hard to explain how good they sound.
Funkytownstopsix 8:21 PM - 6 May, 2014
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Been a little out of pocket but wanted to stop by and say that these are the lightest big bass subs that I have come across. THE VRX SUB THAT IS. I see why they cost so much weight to sound ratio. I want 2 more so I can really clown. The clarity of bass is on point,,,, damn the sound good.

You sure, I was beginning to think you were disappointed in them and preferred the Mackie sound ?

Oh yes 4 is the magic number, it's hard to explain how good they sound.


Well the day I got them i hooked one up to my phone which was no real test after which I went to care for my mother who had stage 4 cancer who passed away that Sunday. I didn't get a chance to do gigs during that time. To add to it when I went to the doctor he told me that my L4 Disk was gone and that's why I was numb on the right side as my bones are sitting on the nerves. He was amazed to even see me walk in without pain even said that he thought I had already had back surgery as he looked at the MRI : ). When I got to use my vrx's I was very happy and glad I didn't get the yorks after all with my back jacked like it is. Honestly I am sure I can carry one in each hand they are really light for what they do I am very impressed about that.
Joee 9:10 PM - 6 May, 2014
sorry for you're lose dude
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:31 PM - 6 May, 2014
Sorry to hear about your mom
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:46 PM - 6 May, 2014
Damn, sorry about your Mom's man. Cancer is the devil. Got someone in the fam dealing with it right now...
Joee 10:55 PM - 6 May, 2014
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Damn, sorry about your Mom's man. Cancer is the devil. Got someone in the fam dealing with it right now...

prayers my brother ,hope they beat that cancers @ss!
 6 11:14 PM - 6 May, 2014
What's this about his Mom. We're talking speakers man!

That's awesome that they're light and sound great. Tell me more about them speakers!

Thanks

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:23 PM - 6 May, 2014
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Damn, sorry about your Mom's man. Cancer is the devil. Got someone in the fam dealing with it right now...

prayers my brother ,hope they beat that cancers @ss!


Man, they told him he has a few weeks to a few months left...

Crazy....How do you live with news like that?
pdidy 11:24 PM - 6 May, 2014
" Honestly I am sure I can carry one in each hand they are really light for what they do I am very impressed about that. "

Hold up , are you the same guy in your sig ? lol
Joee 12:32 AM - 7 May, 2014
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What's this about his Mom. We're talking speakers man!

That's awesome that they're light and sound great. Tell me more about them speakers!

Thanks

nm

immaturity at it's finest
 6 12:37 AM - 7 May, 2014
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What's this about his Mom. We're talking speakers man!

That's awesome that they're light and sound great. Tell me more about them speakers!

Thanks

nm

immaturity at it's finest


Someone just doesn't get it.

Hey Joee, perhaps you should go get an education to get a clue of what I'm talking about.

nm
Joee 12:48 AM - 7 May, 2014
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Someone just doesn't get it.

i get that you're a internet troll
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perhaps you should go get an education

i actually do very well for myself........
 6 12:58 AM - 7 May, 2014
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i actually do very well for myself........


"a internet"

I beg to differ.

lmao!!!!

nm
 6 1:01 AM - 7 May, 2014
Here... let me put it in terms you can understand.



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah


nm
Joee 1:12 AM - 7 May, 2014
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Here... let me put it in terms you can understand.



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah


nm

why don't you have some class for a change?

were talking about a forum member that lost his mom to cancer & and another that has a family member fighting cancer


a mean for real? all joke aside........is you're life that sad? if it is my apologies ,i hope it gets better for you..........i never want to see a fellow dj doing so bad in life


i will send a prayer out for you as well......wishing all the best for you bro .....everything will work out for you........
 6 1:21 AM - 7 May, 2014
you still don't get it...



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah


nm
Joee 1:29 AM - 7 May, 2014
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you still don't get it...



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah



ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah

ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah


nm

thats what i said when a cashed my last check for a did wedding i did ........


man i love my job.............
 6 1:36 AM - 7 May, 2014
Hey... my dog can do a lot of tricks too....

That doesn't mean he's anything but a dog. hahaha

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:16 AM - 7 May, 2014
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why don't you have some class for a change?..


LMAO....

C'mon son...

This is SIXXX, you're talking to...lol...

You're setting your expectations too high man...don't be disappointed.
 6 3:34 AM - 7 May, 2014
Captain save an idiot to the rescue lol

nm
pdidy 4:56 AM - 7 May, 2014
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Been a little out of pocket but wanted to stop by and say that these are the lightest big bass subs that I have come across. THE VRX SUB THAT IS. I see why they cost so much weight to sound ratio. I want 2 more so I can really clown. The clarity of bass is on point,,,, damn the sound good.

You sure, I was beginning to think you were disappointed in them and preferred the Mackie sound ?

Oh yes 4 is the magic number, it's hard to explain how good they sound.

A few months ago I invited one of my competitors in sound systems to one of my gigs. Dude owns a large yorkville system similar to the one in my sig so his system does Bang.... I've been doing this quite often with the VRX Subs whenever I get the opportunity to see if they can appreciate the difference in sound quality but I've stopped telling them why they've been invited to keep THEM honest and unaware of my goals.

My competitor and I both play In this venue (400 people max) regularly so he knows what to expect as far as sound but he didn't know I've switched to the 4 VRX subs until I pulled them out the truck. My goal is always to secretly watch them and their responses to the first Bass drop at full volume. The response is usually the same with a "oh shit, wtf, omg" expression on their face because most people don't expect these small subs to drop so low and loud. 2 vrx sound great but 4 gets the big reactions from people who love bass.
I even use 4 subs for many of 200 person gigs because its not much harder to just role in 2 more subs.
pdidy 5:04 AM - 7 May, 2014
Btw, my competitor sat down all night next to the subs in the "sweet spot" anticipating the bass drops. When people do that you know your bass sounds good. ;)
Funkytownstopsix 12:42 PM - 7 May, 2014
Thanks for the condolences guys, 6 is correct this thread is about speakers and remember 6 is 6. Some people are born never to change.

Diiddy I am 6'4 230...because I am so tall I can hold one in each hand to balance myself not saying I could put them both on the truck at the same time but I could move them if needed. I tested them before I went to a gig in my living room bad move on my part shit vibrated all over the place and broke a few things wife is still mad at me.. I Haven't got the wheels yet home depot nor lowes have the correct size caster so I am still looking for those. All in all I am very satisfied with the VRX and would recommend to none competitors to buy them.
ancientyouth 3:13 PM - 7 May, 2014
Damn 6 I feel bad for yo momma... (insert obligatory momma joke here).....
Joee 3:19 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Thanks for the condolences guys, 6 is correct this thread is about speakers and remember 6 is 6. Some people are born never to change.

you are right, but some situations in life call for a little class



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What's this about his Mom. We're talking speakers man!

That's awesome that they're light and sound great. Tell me more about them speakers!

Thanks

tell him more about a speaker he will never own......how's that old @ss PRX518 treating you
DJ GaFFle 3:28 PM - 7 May, 2014
LoL
 6 4:11 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Thanks for the condolences guys, 6 is correct this thread is about speakers and remember 6 is 6. Some people are born never to change.

you are right, but some situations in life call for a little class



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What's this about his Mom. We're talking speakers man!

That's awesome that they're light and sound great. Tell me more about them speakers!

Thanks

tell him more about a speaker he will never own......how's that old @ss PRX518 treating you


Awww. I hurt your feelings and it shows.

It's treating me good since I don't even use it. It just sits in a corner for the most part. Most venues already provide sound so I don't have to bring any. How you like them apples? lol

nm
 6 4:12 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Damn 6 I feel bad for yo momma... (insert obligatory momma joke here).....


Another idiot that believes everything that's posted online. lol

nm
Joee 4:57 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Awww. I hurt your feelings and it shows.

not at all......i'm just pointing out the fact the you will never ever own a VRX918SP

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It's treating me good since I don't even use it. It just sits in a corner for the most part. Most venues already provide sound so I don't have to bring any. How you like them apples? lol

that's cool less work for you , those are usually the smaller paying gig's too

good thing apples are inexpensive
 6 7:22 PM - 7 May, 2014
"not at all......i'm just pointing out the fact the you will never ever own a VRX918SP"

I don't have a reason to buy them so why would I ever. If the big calls for it, rented equipment will be there for me.

See? That's the problem with your uneducated ass. You don't get that I don't have to buy equipment and cater to shitty request to make money. I have an education. While you're busy taking shitty requests, I'm busy making money while I fish and enjoy life.

DJing is a hobby for me. All the radio shows I've done, concerts, clubs and private parties I've done because I wanted to not because I needed to.

;-)

nm
 6 7:23 PM - 7 May, 2014
Now I get why you tried to convince Johnny to buy lights for so long.

lmao

nm
Funkytownstopsix 7:37 PM - 7 May, 2014
Who gives a fudge about fishing were talking about speakers. Education means nothing without common sense. If you don't need speakers why even be on the thread? Never mind I know why!!!! Everybody act as he is not here and he will go away. Don't fall into the trap people.
 6 8:12 PM - 7 May, 2014
U mad




nm
Joee 8:13 PM - 7 May, 2014
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See? That's the problem with your uneducated ass

you mad bro?

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While you're busy taking shitty requests,

i won't front there some of the request i get are for some sh!tty @ass music, but it's cool with me......i did a four hour wedding two weeks ago paid me 2K


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DJing is a hobby for me. All the radio shows I've done, concerts, clubs and private parties I've done because I wanted to not because I needed to.

it's not a hobby for me it's my business, i truly love the fact that i can make my living off my love of music, i rally do love my job life is good bro......

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If the big calls for it, rented equipment will be there for me.

stop fronting you know you don't & never will get them calls

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I'm busy making money while I fish and enjoy life.

good, i make money and enjoy my life also glad to see you do the same ,my grand kids are truly my joy there with me right now

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Now I get why you tried to convince Johnny to buy lights for so long.


dude them uplights made me $200 last week & the week before it's a great up sell

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common sense.

you really should get some of this, if life is good for you now just imagine how much better it could be for you
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If you don't need speakers why even be on the thread?

you should go fishing

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Don't fall into the trap people.


please its well known Sixxx is a fool.........I debated more with johnny about the zxa5......lol

AND I STILL HAVE NO SOUND PROCESSING JHONNY.............
Funkytownstopsix 8:16 PM - 7 May, 2014
did it anyway : )
Funkytownstopsix 8:18 PM - 7 May, 2014
I also dj simply because I love too, I have a good job that pays me well... Yet making money doing what I love to do on two fronts is the SHIT.... And I want my stuff to sound good so thanks to all in this thread the information was helpful in my purchase...
 6 8:19 PM - 7 May, 2014
lol @ this cat talking about common sense.

Let's talk common sense then. I don't buy what I don't have a use for just like you would never buy a dictionary or a book.

It is common sense.

And lol @ fronting. When was the last time you did a concert? A radio show? Yup. Common sense says I don't need to bring some big ass speaker when there will be plenty of them there for me.

:-)

Now to back to educating your kids about safe sex. Oops. Too late.


nm
 6 8:19 PM - 7 May, 2014
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I also dj simply because I love too, I have a good job that pays me well... Yet making money doing what I love to do on two fronts is the SHIT.... And I want my stuff to sound good so thanks to all in this thread the information was helpful in my purchase...


That's good

nm
Joee 8:30 PM - 7 May, 2014
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And lol @ fronting. When was the last time you did a concert?

stop it bro........

I've opened up for some of the biggest acts in the business some example for you

wille colon
jose alberto "el canario"
la india
the lebrone brothers
joe arroyo

and the list goes on

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That's good


it really is
 6 8:54 PM - 7 May, 2014
Okay. Good, then I don't know why you wouldn't understand why I wouldn't have a NEED for such speaker. lol

nm
 6 8:54 PM - 7 May, 2014
Wait. I do know why. You lack common sense.

lol

nm
 6 8:56 PM - 7 May, 2014
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And lol @ fronting. When was the last time you did a concert?

stop it bro........

I've opened up for some of the biggest acts in the business some example for you

wille colon
jose alberto "el canario"
la india
the lebrone brothers
joe arroyo

and the list goes on

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That's good


it really is



PS. No idea who any of those people are but that's another topic of conversation.

nm
pdidy 9:34 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Who gives a fudge about fishing were talking about speakers. Education means nothing without common sense. If you don't need speakers why even be on the thread? Never mind I know why!!!! Everybody act as he is not here and he will go away. Don't fall into the trap people.

Its like talking to a fuckin wall....

Joee can you please STOP FALLING FOR THE BULLSHIT....He's TROLLING you and you keep falling for it......EVERY TIME.

Can you do us a favor and just ignore him completely.....

at least in this thread.
Joee 9:49 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Can you do us a favor and just ignore him completely.....

i can do that......

let him work his $200 gig's........ lmao

AND DON'T BE YELLING AT ME didy......lol
pdidy 9:51 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Can you do us a favor and just ignore him completely.....

i can do that......

let him work his $200 gig's........ lmao

AND DON'T BE YELLING AT ME didy......lol

LOL......thank you, sorry for yelling
 6 9:52 PM - 7 May, 2014
His daddy came in and put him I'm check.

lmao

nm
 6 9:53 PM - 7 May, 2014
Kids. Practice safe sex. You don't want to end up a grandpa or great grandpa at a young age.

nm
Joee 11:12 PM - 7 May, 2014
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Can you do us a favor and just ignore him completely.....

i can do that......

let him work his $200 gig's........ lmao

AND DON'T BE YELLING AT ME didy......lol

LOL......thank you, sorry for yelling

have you seen this?
www.rcf.it

& this
www.rcf.it
pdidy 12:02 AM - 8 May, 2014
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Can you do us a favor and just ignore him completely.....

i can do that......

let him work his $200 gig's........ lmao

AND DON'T BE YELLING AT ME didy......lol

LOL......thank you, sorry for yelling

have you seen this?
www.rcf.it

& this
www.rcf.it

that sub is crazy, its just to freakin heavy @ 146.8 lbs. I want to be able to move all my gear solo even if there are stairs. This is the main reason im switching fron the Yorkville 801.

Now the rcf 745 is lookin like a solid winner @ 46lbs and possibly on the level of the ZXA5 if not better.
Joee 12:11 AM - 8 May, 2014
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Now the rcf 745 is lookin like a solid winner @ 46lbs and possibly on the level of the ZXA5 if not better.

that's what i'm saying........i really want to see this, i'm going to see if the guy that sold me my rcf's can have this speaker at this years AC dj expo

i need to demo it........now there a few speakers that look to compete with the zxa5 on paper,but in real life no ware near .......so we will see
pdidy 12:32 AM - 8 May, 2014
Im pretty much sold on the jbl vrx932lap top upgrade so I will be completing my VRX system with the final pair very soon. That means my ZXA5 wont get much use anymore so they will likely be up for sale very soon also.
pdidy 12:40 AM - 8 May, 2014
"that's what i'm saying........i really want to see this, i'm going to see if the guy that sold me my rcf's can have this speaker at this years AC dj expo"

I should go this year, haven't been in a while.
Joee 12:48 AM - 8 May, 2014
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Im pretty much sold on the jbl vrx932lap top upgrade so I will be completing my VRX system with the final pair very soon. That means my ZXA5 wont get much use anymore so they will likely be up for sale very soon also.

so that means the vrx tops sound better than zxa5..........not full range mode obesely, man they must sound good......


i still think the zxa5 is the BEST stand alone speaker (full range mode) out there


i will say this my ev's see no use these days ,my rcf 312/705 is what i'm using for every gig these days , i love the weight/portabilaty

i did a prom last week in this room & it was more than i needed, the pics do not do the room justice it's big with high ceilings
www.romanoscatering.com


so these new rcf's have really peaked my interest
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:58 AM - 8 May, 2014
Y'all buggin...
pdidy 1:02 AM - 8 May, 2014
"so that means the vrx tops sound better than zxa5..........not full range mode obesely, man they must sound good......"

Yes the zxa5s obviously win in full range but it wasn't the sound of the vrx that won me over because honestly they are rather close when used with a sub.

It was the easier configuration when 4 tops are needed and the professional appearance of it all. 4 ev zxa5's on a pole was just a deal breaker for me and it would have been a MUCH cheaper option.....
pdidy 1:08 AM - 8 May, 2014
"i still think the zxa5 is the BEST stand alone speaker (full range mode) out there"
yep , no doubt...but being that im running out of storage space and no longer gear whoring (collecting)......They may need to find a new home. Never thought id say that....
Joee 1:11 AM - 8 May, 2014
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Y'all buggin...

what are we bug in about?

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it wasn't the sound of the vrx that won me over because honestly they are rather close when used with a sub.

really? i guess if it will put you ahead of the competition than the cost will be worth it, they really do make you look like a big dog in the sound game

& almost everyone dj or not equates JBL with being top quality ........that new system is definitely a god look for you


only question now is........will we see you back here 4 years from now with 8 vrx subs & tops.....lol
pdidy 1:29 AM - 8 May, 2014
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Y'all buggin...

what are we bug in about?

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it wasn't the sound of the vrx that won me over because honestly they are rather close when used with a sub.

really? i guess if it will put you ahead of the competition than the cost will be worth it, they really do make you look like a big dog in the sound game

& almost everyone dj or not equates JBL with being top quality ........that new system is definitely a god look for you


only question now is........will we see you back here 4 years from now with 8 vrx subs & tops.....lol

Only if I happen to move to a new location with a large secure garage with role in role out no lifting.......Shit, if I had that now I would already have 8+ subs an tops...lol
Funkytownstopsix 2:42 PM - 8 May, 2014
my question is with 4 sub how do you set them up not clusterd I assume since you have the tops.
Funkytownstopsix 2:48 PM - 8 May, 2014
One more question since your using line arrays does that mean your sound is focused on the dance floor not so much the whole room .....so people outside the dance floor are able to carry on conversation kinda. I have worked with line arrays but they have always be hanging from the roof never at ground level it would have to be a little diffrent I think.
SELECT 3:27 PM - 8 May, 2014
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One more question since your using line arrays does that mean your sound is focused on the dance floor not so much the whole room .....so people outside the dance floor are able to carry on conversation kinda. I have worked with line arrays but they have always be hanging from the roof never at ground level it would have to be a little diffrent I think.


Every speaker has different dispersion degree patterns, vertical and horizontal. Check the specs on each one to see the differences.
pdidy 6:53 PM - 8 May, 2014
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One more question since your using line arrays does that mean your sound is focused on the dance floor not so much the whole room .....so people outside the dance floor are able to carry on conversation kinda. I have worked with line arrays but they have always be hanging from the roof never at ground level it would have to be a little diffrent I think.


Every speaker has different dispersion degree patterns, vertical and horizontal. Check the specs on each one to see the differences.

right, see page 20 for a visual www.jblpro.com
SELECT 7:24 PM - 8 May, 2014
The VRX 932 Coverage Pattern:
100º x 15º nominal

One of my buddies friend just got 4 of these. He did a prom and said the 4 qsc line array tops were enough and they didnt need to turn the sub up. I find that hard to believe, but its possile.
The QSC KLA12 coverage pattern:
90° x 18° nominal coverage (requires only five boxes to configure a 90° x 90° array)

Your average 12inch powered speaker is generally 90°x 50°
pdidy 7:30 PM - 8 May, 2014
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my question is with 4 sub how do you set them up not clusterd I assume since you have the tops.

I prefer to center cluster my subs be it 2 or 4 which means the tops go on poles Watchm.youtube.com but in some venues this won't be possible so I will get the speaker mount poles an setup 2 over 2 in stereo formation like this www.acehk.com
Funkytownstopsix 7:33 PM - 8 May, 2014
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One more question since your using line arrays does that mean your sound is focused on the dance floor not so much the whole room .....so people outside the dance floor are able to carry on conversation kinda. I have worked with line arrays but they have always be hanging from the roof never at ground level it would have to be a little diffrent I think.


Every speaker has different dispersion degree patterns, vertical and horizontal. Check the specs on each one to see the differences.

right, see page 20 for a visual www.jblpro.com


I understand page 20 as that's how they are setup in the venues I have used, but on a set up like on page 22 with just two or even four (to each side) the coverage is not like what you see on page 20, so I assume it's more like direct and shoot baically aming slightly above the had and maybe at the chest. Once again I ask do you have the subs paired or in a cluster.
Funkytownstopsix 7:33 PM - 8 May, 2014
oh now I get the anwer.
Funkytownstopsix 7:35 PM - 8 May, 2014
FYI i was talking about the tops...
Funkytownstopsix 7:38 PM - 8 May, 2014
I got it.... forget about my jibberish.
pdidy 7:48 PM - 8 May, 2014
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The VRX 932 Coverage Pattern:
100º x 15º nominal

One of my buddies friend just got 4 of these. He did a prom and said the 4 qsc line array tops were enough and they didnt need to turn the sub up. I find that hard to believe, but its possile.
The QSC KLA12 coverage pattern:
90° x 18° nominal coverage (requires only five boxes to configure a 90° x 90° array)

Your average 12inch powered speaker is generally 90°x 50°

I really thought the 15 degree vertical coverage was going to be a problem when using 1 top per side but to my surprise it's not at all. It's all in the height you set the speaker.
SELECT 8:16 PM - 8 May, 2014
Yeah also distance plays a party too, the beam gets wider the farther you are from them. Still my homie says two on each side was a good start.
pdidy 8:21 PM - 8 May, 2014
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Yeah also distance plays a party too, the beam gets wider the farther you are from them. Still my homie says two on each side was a good start.

exactly, distance plays a big part too.

2 tops per side can handle about 500 so if that's what your homie was saying I totally agree but subs are a must, the tops cant do it alone unless its at wedding volume.
pdidy 8:31 PM - 8 May, 2014
@ Funkytownstopsix

Your average powered speaker @ 90°x 50° is more versatile and less costly than the vrx tops so its a better option unless your doing 300+ in long rooms the majority of the time.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:28 PM - 9 May, 2014
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AND I STILL HAVE NO SOUND PROCESSING JHONNY.............


You need to stop bragging about that....
Joee 11:35 PM - 9 May, 2014
^ lol

i wasn't bragging, just erkin you're nerves
pdidy 8:36 AM - 10 May, 2014
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FYI i was talking about the tops...

@ Funkytownstopsix
what tops are you currently using with the vrx subs ?
Funkytownstopsix 12:32 PM - 10 May, 2014
Mackie - SRM450v2 The blue ones from Italy. They sound pretty good with the subs but as I have stated I am going to have to upgrade...
Joee 1:00 PM - 10 May, 2014
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Mackie - SRM450v2 The blue ones from Italy. They sound pretty good with the subs but as I have stated I am going to have to upgrade...

electrovoice.com
done.......
and since you like the rcf made mackies, maybe
www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it

or you could just match the family up
www.jblpro.com
Funkytownstopsix 12:35 PM - 12 May, 2014
Yeah I like RCF.....I am thinking ahead and I rather spend money one time... so I am really thinking of matching my system but the cost of those laps is a mofo..
Funkytownstopsix 3:30 PM - 19 May, 2014
Did I say I love my VRX subs...!!!!! The more power giving the better they sound.
pdidy 5:58 PM - 19 May, 2014
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Yeah I like RCF.....I am thinking ahead and I rather spend money one time... so I am really thinking of matching my system but the cost of those laps is a mofo..

which is why i crossed them off my list at first, you can get 4 zxa5 for the price of 2 jbl 932lap's.
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Did I say I love my VRX subs...!!!!! The more power giving the better they sound.

what kind of music you play ? I noticed they really come alive with new hiphop that has long low bass frequencies.
Joee 6:07 PM - 19 May, 2014
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I noticed they really come alive with new hiphop that has long low bass frequencies.

teach me how to dougie.......play that song thru your jbls if you haven't done so yet

than sand back and smile........
pdidy 1:04 AM - 21 May, 2014
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I noticed they really come alive with new hiphop that has long low bass frequencies.

teach me how to dougie.......play that song thru your jbls if you haven't done so yet

than sand back and smile........

The most recent record to surprise me was "usher - daddy's home". Been playing it for years but A few weeks ago I played it for the first time on my VRX subs and was like "oh shit" !

It definitely didn't sound like that before on my Yorkville subs.
JDforKing 1:51 AM - 21 May, 2014
I one jbl vrx powered sub the equivalent of 2 jbl prx618xlf subs?
JDforKing 2:11 AM - 21 May, 2014
*Is
pdidy 3:41 AM - 21 May, 2014
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I one jbl vrx powered sub the equivalent of 2 jbl prx618xlf subs?

No, the difference is superior parts, sound quality and technology in the VRX. The VRX may be a few decibels louder than the prx but its really about "what's under the hood" not how much louder it is.

My guess, the VRX is maybe 3db louder than the prx but It would need to be 6db louder to be equivalent to 2 jbl prx618xlf.
JDforKing 4:06 AM - 21 May, 2014
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I one jbl vrx powered sub the equivalent of 2 jbl prx618xlf subs?

No, the difference is superior parts, sound quality and technology in the VRX. The VRX may be a few decibels louder than the prx but its really about "what's under the hood" not how much louder it is.

My guess, the VRX is maybe 3db louder than the prx but It would need to be 6db louder to be equivalent to 2 jbl prx618xlf.


cool, thanks
djdisbjohn 3:07 PM - 22 May, 2014
So I went out and got an EV ETX 18 sub to compare it up against the VRX. We tested this in the living room of my buddy's house. The ETX has slightly more kick and a little more boomy. It was slightly louder on certain notes. But overall, we both liked the VRX's sound quality. The VRX has better lower frequency response. I do think the ETX is better than the KW sub, but I still prefer the VRX.

For the money though, the ETX > KW
I was able to get the ETX 18 sub for 1050+tax

When we ran both the ETX sub together with the VRX, now that sounded pretty dam good. You get the kick and punch from the ETX and the sweeter low end of the VRX. We then hooked up 2 VRX subs and compared to the ETX just for the hell of it. Too bad I couldn't get another ETX for a better comparison.

I'm returning the ETX sub, and waiting to order 2 more VRX subs.

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Funkytownstopsix 3:13 PM - 22 May, 2014
I was wondering about the EXT's Thanks for sharing that info...
Joee 3:13 PM - 22 May, 2014
so from your quick review it seems like the ev is not worth the extra weigh, better to get the 85lbs jbl
Joee 3:19 PM - 22 May, 2014
@ djdisbjohn have you ever used the yorkvile ls801p sub?

if so how do you think they compare?

it's a little disappointing i expected the ext to preform better since it uses the DVX woofer, but people were saying that the 15 is what really impressed
Funkytownstopsix 3:21 PM - 22 May, 2014
85lbs Man I can tell you it doesnt feel like 85lb it seems much lighter, for sure lighter than my old Mackies and I think they are 85lbs too.. And this coming from a man who has a bad back...i62.photobucket.com
Missing a disk which is pinching the nevers which is giving me hell...

So I am glad I didn't get the Yorks after all...The VRX's are pretty light I have yet to find the casters for them I have looked every where in my area Lowes and Home Depot.
djdisbjohn 3:22 PM - 22 May, 2014
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so from your quick review it seems like the ev is not worth the extra weigh, better to get the 85lbs jbl


O yeah i forgot to mention the size and weight. Between the JBL and EV, I'd rather spend the extra $4-500. I can't pick up the the EV ETX in it's normal position by myself without probably seriously hurting my back. The built in casters are nice and makes it easy to move around. If you have a van or ramp, then loading the ETX shouldn't be too bad. I was able to roll the etx, then tilt it into the back of my SUV.

The ETX is wider, a little taller, and a little deeper.

I can easily handle the JBL subs by myself. Now I just want to get some caster
djdisbjohn 3:32 PM - 22 May, 2014
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@ djdisbjohn have you ever used the yorkvile ls801p sub?

if so how do you think they compare?

it's a little disappointing i expected the ext to preform better since it uses the DVX woofer, but people were saying that the 15 is what really impressed


I've heard the yorkvilles at a wedding with a live band and I was impressed, but I haven't been able to directly compare it to any of the other subs.

When I went to an EV demo, I heard 4 ETX subs with the 3 way tops and that really impressed me. That's what made me want to try out the ETX sub for myself.

I liked how the 10" tops, 12" tops, and the 3 ways sounded over the 15" tops.

For a semi compact system, the 10" tops with the 15" EV sub would be great.
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The EV ETX 15" sub did sound good and was impressive
Joee 3:34 PM - 22 May, 2014
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For a semi compact system, the 10" tops with the 15" EV sub would be great.
instagram.com

The EV ETX 15" sub did sound good and was impressive

STOP it......ijust got some new rcf 12's

i don't want to spend no more money........lol
Fiyawerx 3:52 PM - 22 May, 2014
So this might be a good place to ask... I have two ELX115's (passive), and currently just run one MRX518s sub with them. I've put a pretty good beating on the sub, and wanted to upgrade for more bass. I have a QSC Gx7 and Crown XLS1500 amp. With a budget of about 2k, what would you guys suggest? I mostly do smaller bars with this setup and some parties, but definitely feel the limits of this sub. Was considering the LS808, but with leaning more towards a good amount of dubstep/trap lately with some funky house/pop remixes mixed in, I feel like I might get some use out of the lower ranges on the others? Was also considering something like a dbx (pa+?)... so would most likely be limited to one sub upgrade for now until I could pick up a second one.
SELECT 4:22 PM - 22 May, 2014
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So this might be a good place to ask... I have two ELX115's (passive), and currently just run one MRX518s sub with them. I've put a pretty good beating on the sub, and wanted to upgrade for more bass. I have a QSC Gx7 and Crown XLS1500 amp. With a budget of about 2k, what would you guys suggest? I mostly do smaller bars with this setup and some parties, but definitely feel the limits of this sub. Was considering the LS808, but with leaning more towards a good amount of dubstep/trap lately with some funky house/pop remixes mixed in, I feel like I might get some use out of the lower ranges on the others? Was also considering something like a dbx (pa+?)... so would most likely be limited to one sub upgrade for now until I could pick up a second one.


You have $2000.00 to spend on a sub? Get a VRX918sp sub.
Taipanic 4:52 PM - 22 May, 2014
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You have $2000.00 to spend on a sub? Get a VRX918sp sub.


I know the VRXs are really good, I just couldn't justify dropping $8k for enough of them to get the EDM/Club sound you want. If I'm spending that kind of coin, I would probably go with Danleys or JTR Orbit Shifters and add power plates to them. Even though they are a lot bigger, the sound would be worth it.
For $2k, I'd probably go with a pair of Yorkvilles or the ETXs.
Joee 4:57 PM - 22 May, 2014
can we make it official?

the JBL VRX918SP is to powered 18" subs

what the EV ZXA5 is to two way powered 15"

the best speaker you can buy at it's price point?
Joee 4:59 PM - 22 May, 2014
^ while still being very compact/light

it's a no brannier anyone looking to get a top quality sound system

if you have 6K to spend two zxa5's and two vrx918sp's is the way to go

i still wish they would have made a EV ZXA3
Taipanic 5:06 PM - 22 May, 2014
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^ while still being very compact/light

it's a no brannier anyone looking to get a top quality sound system

if you have 6K to spend two zxa5's and two vrx918sp's is the way to go

i still wish they would have made a EV ZXA3


The problem is you would need 4-6 VRXs, rather than 2-4 EVs or 2-3 Yorkvilles, or 2 Danleys or JTRs to keep up with the ZXa5s. That would be a $10-12k P.A.
Joee 5:09 PM - 22 May, 2014
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The problem is you would need 4-6 VRXs, rather than 2-4 EVs or 2-3 Yorkvilles, or 2 Danleys or JTRs to keep up with the ZXa5s. That would be a $10-12k P.A.

not really, two will work fine but you will never use the za5's at there maximum output level,but than again how many of us do?
Fiyawerx 5:13 PM - 22 May, 2014
After looking around, are the SRX718's basically the passive comparable version of the VRX918's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems others mention how much they like power... would a SRX718 be ok with the XLS1500 bridged? 1050w @ 8ohms, and only cost about 1k out of my budget. I could also add the DBX PA+ and still be 500$ towards a better amp / second sub.
DJ GaFFle 5:21 PM - 22 May, 2014
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After looking around, are the SRX718's basically the passive comparable version of the VRX918's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems others mention how much they like power... would a SRX718 be ok with the XLS1500 bridged? 1050w @ 8ohms, and only cost about 1k out of my budget. I could also add the DBX PA+ and still be 500$ towards a better amp / second sub.

I think you're correct. I believe a properly powered SRX718 will slightly trump a VRX718SP but it'll require a very beefy amp because the SRX's are very inefficient and require a LOT of power to make them sound happy.
DJ GaFFle 5:23 PM - 22 May, 2014
... and FTR, I wouldn't put Crown XLS quality on my SRX's. I'd probably go XTi quality (newer series) at minimum.
DJ GaFFle 5:27 PM - 22 May, 2014
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So I went out and got an EV ETX 18 sub to compare it up against the VRX. We tested this in the living room of my buddy's house. The ETX has slightly more kick and a little more boomy. It was slightly louder on certain notes. But overall, we both liked the VRX's sound quality. The VRX has better lower frequency response. I do think the ETX is better than the KW sub, but I still prefer the VRX.

For the money though, the ETX > KW
I was able to get the ETX 18 sub for 1050+tax

When we ran both the ETX sub together with the VRX, now that sounded pretty dam good. You get the kick and punch from the ETX and the sweeter low end of the VRX. We then hooked up 2 VRX subs and compared to the ETX just for the hell of it. Too bad I couldn't get another ETX for a better comparison.

I'm returning the ETX sub, and waiting to order 2 more VRX subs.

instagram.com

I take it you had the subs in very like scenarios and didn't inadvertently bias your sound tests.

Make a video of the ETX18P sub against a Yorkville LS801P and watch your Youtube hits fly...
SELECT 5:29 PM - 22 May, 2014
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After looking around, are the SRX718's basically the passive comparable version of the VRX918's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems others mention how much they like power... would a SRX718 be ok with the XLS1500 bridged? 1050w @ 8ohms, and only cost about 1k out of my budget. I could also add the DBX PA+ and still be 500$ towards a better amp / second sub.


Yes and no. I owned a pair for about 7 years. The VRX is powered at 1500 watts plus and has built in DSP tuned perfectly for the sub. Its actually very cost effective considering what you would need for a passive version. For the SRX you'll need very expensive amps to equal that level, Crown Itechs, macrotechs, QSC RMX, etc. You'll also need the DBX PA+ and its not that easy to use. The learning curve is huge to get it to sound right with whatever you mixer/input is. Stay away unless you have the cash for heavy duty amps and a few years to learn about crossovers, limiters, compressors, eq, etc.
Joee 5:39 PM - 22 May, 2014
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So this might be a good place to ask... I have two ELX115's (passive), and currently just run one MRX518s sub with them. I've put a pretty good beating on the sub, and wanted to upgrade for more bass. I have a QSC Gx7 and Crown XLS1500 amp. With a budget of about 2k, what would you guys suggest? I mostly do smaller bars with this setup and some parties, but definitely feel the limits of this sub. Was considering the LS808, but with leaning more towards a good amount of dubstep/trap lately with some funky house/pop remixes mixed in, I feel like I might get some use out of the lower ranges on the others? Was also considering something like a dbx (pa+?)... so would most likely be limited to one sub upgrade for now until I could pick up a second one.

back to this original question

i agree with SELECT
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You have $2000.00 to spend on a sub? Get a VRX918sp sub.


you can actually get the vrx sub brand new shipped for $1,550 maybe less if you haggle here
www.proaudiostar.com
Taipanic 5:45 PM - 22 May, 2014
For reference, here's some specs:

Speaker - Peak Power - Max SPL - Low Freq.
QSC - 1000 - 132 - 43
VRX - 1500 - 126 - 31
ETX - 1800 - 135 - 28
Danley - 3400 - 143 - 28
JTR - 4000 - 142 - 37
Fiyawerx 5:51 PM - 22 May, 2014
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back to this original question

i agree with SELECT
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You have $2000.00 to spend on a sub? Get a VRX918sp sub.


you can actually get the vrx sub brand new shipped for $1,550 maybe less if you haggle here
www.proaudiostar.com



That 1550 is used, 2k new from ProAudioStar but I think they'll usually give you 10-15% just for asking.

This guy said he has a shootout of the ETX-18SP and the LS801P coming by this saturday. Watchwww.youtube.com

I'll wait to watch that then make my final decision, switching to powered does sound tempting though. Would anyone advise NOT buying used from a site like proaudiostar?
Joee 5:54 PM - 22 May, 2014
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That 1550 is used,

you have to haggle, i bought brand new for $1550 from them

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Speaker - Peak Power - Max SPL - Low Freq.
VRX - 1500 - 126 - 31


the jbl rating was done in a open space environment, remember it a line array speaker
DJ GaFFle 6:12 PM - 22 May, 2014
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For reference, here's some specs:

Speaker - Peak Power - Max SPL - Low Freq.
QSC - 1000 - 132 - 43
VRX - 1500 - 126 - 31
ETX - 1800 - 135 - 28
Danley - 6800 - 143 - 28
JTR - 8000 - 142 - 37


Fixed. That 3400W and 4000W you had was program power. These peak power handlings are for mere milliseconds but I get your comparisons.
djdisbjohn 6:13 PM - 22 May, 2014
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That 1550 is used,

you have to haggle, i bought brand new for $1550 from them

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Speaker - Peak Power - Max SPL - Low Freq.
VRX - tel:1500 - 126 - 31


the jbl rating was done in a open space environment, remember it a line array speaker


Yup. And I can tell you the VRX sounded better with low frequencies. It had cleaner bass. The ETX had more noticeable port noise or something.

The etx was barely or slightly louder. I had the EV sub turned up to 0db and +1. The point where the limiter started kicking in. I had the JBL sub set to about 4 o'clock. 5 o'clock is max on JBL.

The limiter light didn't come on

If I didn't have the VRX, then I would be happy with the ETX.
djdisbjohn 6:18 PM - 22 May, 2014
Also, I didn't really try turning up the ETX past +1 or 2dB because the limiting message popped up. I know there's like 3 stages of limiting built into the ETX. the ETX would be louder if I had it set to +6dB for sure, but then I don't know how long you can run it at that before the hard limiters would kick in and lower the volume. On the back of the display on the ETX, it will show limiting, then a message will pop up about temp also if you're pushing it too hard, and finally it would be constant message displayed and
djdisbjohn 6:19 PM - 22 May, 2014
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So I went out and got an EV ETX 18 sub to compare it up against the VRX. We tested this in the living room of my buddy's house. The ETX has slightly more kick and a little more boomy. It was slightly louder on certain notes. But overall, we both liked the VRX's sound quality. The VRX has better lower frequency response. I do think the ETX is better than the KW sub, but I still prefer the VRX.

For the money though, the ETX > KW
I was able to get the ETX 18 sub for 1050+tax

When we ran both the ETX sub together with the VRX, now that sounded pretty dam good. You get the kick and punch from the ETX and the sweeter low end of the VRX. We then hooked up 2 VRX subs and compared to the ETX just for the hell of it. Too bad I couldn't get another ETX for a better comparison.

I'm returning the ETX sub, and waiting to order 2 more VRX subs.

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I take it you had the subs in very like scenarios and didn't inadvertently bias your sound tests.

Make a video of the ETX18P sub against a Yorkville LS801P and watch your Youtube hits fly...


Arnoldo Offerman will be posting a video of 2 ETX subs vs 2 Yorkvilles soon
djdisbjohn 6:22 PM - 22 May, 2014
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For a semi compact system, the 10" tops with the 15" EV sub would be great.
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The EV ETX 15" sub did sound good and was impressive

STOP it......ijust got some new rcf 12's

i don't want to spend no more money........lol


RCF's are great man. I'm happy with my HD32A's and 10A's. I would like a pair of EV ETX 10's just for satellite fill and use the built in DSP with delay option.
djdisbjohn 6:26 PM - 22 May, 2014
Fiyawerkz, you might want to look into DIY solutions with BFM T60's or T48's if you're budget is $2k.
Fiyawerx 7:03 PM - 22 May, 2014
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Fiyawerkz, you might want to look into DIY solutions with BFM T60's or T48's if you're budget is $2k.


Would never trust myself. I'm more the "BIY" (Buy it yourself) than "DIY". The VRX for around 1500 if I can get it is really the most tempting at this point.
Joee 7:07 PM - 22 May, 2014
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Fiyawerkz, you might want to look into DIY solutions with BFM T60's or T48's if you're budget is $2k.


Would never trust myself. I'm more the "BIY" (Buy it yourself) than "DIY". The VRX for around 1500 if I can get it is really the most tempting at this point.

you can get it, call proaudiostar haggle with them tell them you have $1,550 cash in hand
Joee 7:07 PM - 22 May, 2014
^ brand new not used
Funkytownstopsix 8:15 PM - 22 May, 2014
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back to this original question

i agree with SELECT

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You have $2000.00 to spend on a sub? Get a VRX918sp sub.


you can actually get the vrx sub brand new shipped for $1,550 maybe less if you haggle here
www.proaudiostar.com



That 1550 is used, 2k new from ProAudioStar but I think they'll usually give you 10-15% just for asking.

This guy said he has a shootout of the ETX-18SP and the LS801P coming by this saturday. Watchwww.youtube.com

I'll wait to watch that then make my final decision, switching to powered does sound tempting though. Would anyone advise NOT buying used from a site like proaudiostar?



1550 shipped brand new from JBL factory..... Yes can get new ones...
DJ Val-BKNY11203 8:52 PM - 22 May, 2014
Maybe it's just me but doesn't your sub either have kick or it's boomy?

Like the VRX vs the York? The VRX has a tighter response?

So how does the ETX have more kick & it's more boomy?

And if you didn't test it to the same levels doesn't that throw your whole comparison off?
djdisbjohn 9:02 PM - 22 May, 2014
They were tested pretty much at the same level. I almost maxed out the VRX sub, and had the ETX at 0dB output. The ETX theoretically has more headroom since you can go up to +11dB, but once i set it to +1 or +2dB, then the limiting indicator started to pop up. Having it set to +6dB or more then the limiting indicator stayed on constantly and showed the temp warning.

Yeah, the VRX has tighter and more clean bass response without distortion sound. The ETX kick can be slightly felt more than the VRX. I say it's more boomy because of the air noise.

To me, the VRX has more of a sealed enclosure sound in car audio compared to the ETX, which is more like a ported or band pass sound (Even though both subs are technically ported).
pdidy 9:03 PM - 22 May, 2014
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For reference, here's some specs:

Speaker - Peak Power - Max SPL - Low Freq.
QSC - 1000 - 132 - 43
VRX - 1500 - 132 - 31
ETX - 1800 - 135 - 28
Danley - 6800 - 143 - 28
JTR - 8000 - 142 - 37


Fixed. That 3400W and 4000W you had was program power. These peak power handlings are for mere milliseconds but I get your comparisons.

fixed, as joee mentioned....the vrx was measured in "free field conditions" (in the air with no boundaries) because its a line array therefore there is a 6db gain when placed on the ground.
pdidy 9:28 PM - 22 May, 2014
@ djdisbjohn, nice review. I was really guessing the ETX would out preform (spl) the VRX due to the larger box so im surprised it could compete with the ETX. But im not surprised the VRX had better sound quality.

While im sure you had the vrx set to 80 Hz, do you recall what the ETX was set at ?( 80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz )

So if the ETX was only barely lower than the VRX, then the ETX can not possibly be as loud as the Yorkville ls801p. When a Yorkville ls801p and a VRX 918sp are placed side by side, you will wonder if the VRX is even on...lol So I guess any chance of ETX being louder than the Yorkville is not gonna happen.
Joee 9:51 PM - 22 May, 2014
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80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz )

ahhhh......good point, this could change things!
pdidy 9:52 PM - 22 May, 2014
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Maybe it's just me but doesn't your sub either have kick or it's boomy?

NO, they can do both.

Like the VRX vs the York? The VRX has a tighter response?
Yes the VRX has a tighter response than the York. Sound guys tend to describe sub sounds as either articulate or Boomy. For example, the vrx is an articulate sub which means it can clearly produced all the lower bass frequencies. The Yorkville is sometimes considered Boomy by many because the lower bass notes are not always easily distinguishable so to the ears it can sound like 1 bass note aka Boomy.
DJ GaFFle 1:01 AM - 23 May, 2014
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... The Yorkville is sometimes considered Boomy by many because the lower bass notes are not always easily distinguishable so to the ears it can sound like 1 bass note aka Boomy.

And from my experience with the LS800P, that boomy sound can get very annoying. It's extremely loud compared to the competition but if you know what a quality subwoofer sounds like, you'll get annoyed.
pdidy 1:37 AM - 23 May, 2014
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And from my experience with the LS800P, that boomy sound can get very annoying. It's extremely loud compared to the competition but if you know what a quality subwoofer sounds like, you'll get annoyed.


When I was debating the switch from Yorkville ls801p to JBL VRX918sp, I thought long and hard about the FACT that most people including DJ's can not tell the difference between an articulate or Boomy sub. But every now and then a dj or client will tell me "I didn't know the bass in that track sounded like that or went so low".
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:46 AM - 23 May, 2014
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When I was debating the switch from Yorkville ls801p to JBL VRX918sp, I thought long and hard about the FACT that most people including DJ's can not tell the difference between an articulate or Boomy sub. But every now and then a dj or client will tell me "I didn't know the bass in that track sounded like that or went so low".


That's because people are solely concentrated on the loudest sound they can project. Without the taking time to understand that quality of sound really counts.
SELECT 2:56 PM - 23 May, 2014
Where you can really tell the difference in bass is when you play tracks with live music, latin, jazz, rnb, funk, soul, etc. Not all bass sounds the same and a great subwoofer can play all those bass notes the way they were meant to be heard.
Fiyawerx 3:00 PM - 23 May, 2014
Looks like Arnoldo posted his LX801P vs the ETX18SP video: Watchwww.youtube.com
SELECT 3:39 PM - 23 May, 2014
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I didnt like that review, just terrible. That whole test, on paper thing, ehh. Just play the same tracks on each one and record from a distance. Thats real world, gig testing lol. Seriously, thats all I wanted to see and hear, wtf. He didnt even mention the specs on them really. I can tell you this about both of those powered subs, you want maximum impact on the dancefloor, go with the Yorkville. Horn loaded subs are hard to beat for that physical feeling. You want impact, but also great bass quality, go EV.
Joee 3:44 PM - 23 May, 2014
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exactly, in his last review he was saying the ev will put you in time out, after hearing that i knew were weren't going to get any useful info from him
SELECT 3:48 PM - 23 May, 2014
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exactly, in his last review he was saying the ev will put you in time out, after hearing that i knew were weren't going to get any useful info from him


Yeah for real. The sound and video recording were awful. No way could I make a decision on either sub from that.
Joee 4:08 PM - 23 May, 2014
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Yeah for real. The sound and video recording were awful. No way could I make a decision on either sub from that.

did you ever see his first review?
Watchwww.youtube.com
SELECT 4:17 PM - 23 May, 2014
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Yeah for real. The sound and video recording were awful. No way could I make a decision on either sub from that.

did you ever see his first review?
Watchwww.youtube.com


Lol, you didnt see my comments on it. That review was ok, but still no video of the speaker actually playing music and mostly talking about the cartoid setup.
Fiyawerx 8:52 PM - 23 May, 2014
So I take it that didn't change anyone's minds with the VRX suggestion vs the ETX, heh.
Funkytownstopsix 1:42 PM - 16 June, 2014
upadate: Still loving these VRX's I did a gig at a highclass place on the second floor. The manger came up and said sir can you please take out some of that bass the chandeliers are shaking so much that it's scaring the customers. : ) To be honest I didn't have it cranked up. I have to admit out of all the dj stuff I have purchased these vrx subs are one of the best.. Weight to sound unmatched.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:18 PM - 16 June, 2014
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Can I borrow them for about 3 months to test out and see how good they really are? LOL
djdisbjohn 5:29 PM - 16 June, 2014
I got my 3rd one coming job tomorrow.

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pdidy 7:24 PM - 16 June, 2014
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3rd what ?
Funkytownstopsix 8:18 PM - 16 June, 2014
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I got my 3rd one coming job tomorrow.


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Yeah if I had 4 I don't know what I would do... Maybe it's me but I think they make my tops sound better... LOL

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Can I borrow them for about 3 months to test out and see how good they really are? LOL

Yeah you can borrow them just give me 4 grand!!!
djdisbjohn 9:04 PM - 16 June, 2014
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3rd what ?

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sorry, 3rd vrx sub
Joee 6:08 PM - 20 June, 2014
^that setup looks very sexy, small compact light but very big sound

you had 3K burning a hole thru your pocket huh.......

congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:14 PM - 20 June, 2014
Very sexy! How much is that total in $$. 15k about?
Joee 6:16 PM - 20 June, 2014
your in the ball park, $14,000 to $15,000

but he probably got a better price as he buys a lot of gear
Aden 6:19 PM - 20 June, 2014
Do you guys think $1,150 for a used VRX is a good deal?
Joee 6:22 PM - 20 June, 2014
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for the 918sp?

i don't think so, but thats just me i'd rather spend $400 more and get it new
djdisbjohn 6:25 PM - 20 June, 2014


hot dam very nice! I want to hear how that sounds
DJ GaFFle 9:14 PM - 20 June, 2014
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your in the ball park, $14,000 to $15,000

but he probably got a better price as he buys a lot of gear

Probably about $19k... www.ebay.com

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More like $5K because those tops seem to run ~$2600 each. I'm sure PDidy was chompin' at the bit to get those last two. I know the feeling.
Joee 9:38 PM - 20 June, 2014
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More like $5K because those tops seem to run ~$2600 each. I'm sure PDidy was chompin' at the bit to get those last two. I know the feeling.

yea i was to modest with pricing, but i'm sure he didn't pay $2,600 each, with all the gear he buy the had to have given him a deal
pdidy 4:01 AM - 21 June, 2014
just got the dbx driverack pa2 today and the remote to ipad, phone or laptop is just freakin beautiful especially if you've ever had to program a processor manually....smh
Watchwww.youtube.com it truley is as easy as it looks in the video.

but you will need a wireless router Watchwww.youtube.com
pdidy 4:06 AM - 21 June, 2014
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congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?

thank im done for at least 6 yrs but i mite upgrade my k12's.
pdidy 4:21 AM - 21 June, 2014
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congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?

thank im done for at least 6 yrs but i mite upgrade my k12's.

djdisbjohn's got me thinking rcf hd32 ?
djdisbjohn 4:42 AM - 21 June, 2014
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congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?

thank im done for at least 6 yrs but i mite upgrade my k12's.

djdisbjohn's got me thinking rcf hd32 ?


The driverack pa2 is nice. I got one too. Using the apple airport express for my router.

How long have you had your k12's?

Hopefully by next year I can get some vrx tops and one more sub. Then a digital 16 channel mixer

I Spent a big portion of my budget this yeAr on some more wireless uplights and ddj-sz

instagram.com

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pdidy 6:06 AM - 21 June, 2014
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The driverack pa2 is nice. I got one too. Using the apple airport express for my router.


yup, me too.....
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pdidy 6:11 AM - 21 June, 2014
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guessing 3-4 yrs
DJ GaFFle 6:28 AM - 21 June, 2014
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...I Spent a big portion of my budget this yeAr on some more wireless uplights and ddj-sz

instagram.com


I've been eyeballing some Chinese wireless RBGAW uplights. A 10 count with charging case for $1800. I'm usually against made in China crap but since all the uplights are made there anyway AND the lighting companys (ADJ, Chauvet, Blizzard) want to charge astronomical prices for their wireless uplights ($325+), I think I may take the plunge: www.aliexpress.com
dj_soo 7:28 AM - 21 June, 2014
I feel like the price of the driverack pa2 is worth it just to be able to walk around the room while setting your eqs.
Joee 4:14 PM - 21 June, 2014
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congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?

thank im done for at least 6 yrs but i mite upgrade my k12's.

djdisbjohn's got me thinking rcf hd32 ?

you will not be disappointed, i'm loving the cheaper version FD12-A

if you plan on using them stand alone with no sub i might go with the HD12-A, i think that 3" horn on the HD32-A will outrun the the sub pretty quick in full range mode
joey lights 6:30 PM - 17 August, 2014
sorry to join late i just stumbled across this
my impression after 3 years of having the srx718 is they are awesome and they are subwoofers, crossover points must be carefully chosen when setting up between the top box or cancellation will result along with the proper power and settings.
i get chest pounding bass out of 2 per side or 4 centered when 8 is used WHOA pacemakers not allowed. deep and crisp tight sound just like a hifi system. what might be missing from jbl is the listeners fatigue from distortion that gives the listener the appearance of being louder and contributes to the ringing in your ears . or the wrong amp / setting.
the vrx and srx 718s are exactly the same box just the vrx has flyware
when i bought these subs i thought long and hard and did buy 1 piece of each i was interested to test out.
bass horns are so yesterday, one note wonders.
id stay away from anything powered
jbl srx/ vrx / stx best bang for buck i want more of them anyone selling?
even jbl srx /vrx/stx tops wowowow
dj jamalot 9:04 PM - 17 August, 2014
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sorry to join late i just stumbled across this
my impression after 3 years of having the srx718 is they are awesome and they are subwoofers, crossover points must be carefully chosen when setting up between the top box or cancellation will result along with the proper power and settings.
i get chest pounding bass out of 2 per side or 4 centered when 8 is used WHOA pacemakers not allowed. deep and crisp tight sound just like a hifi system. what might be missing from jbl is the listeners fatigue from distortion that gives the listener the appearance of being louder and contributes to the ringing in your ears . or the wrong amp / setting.
the vrx and srx 718s are exactly the same box just the vrx has flyware
when i bought these subs i thought long and hard and did buy 1 piece of each i was interested to test out.
bass horns are so yesterday, one note wonders.
id stay away from anything powered
jbl srx/ vrx / stx best bang for buck i want more of them anyone selling?
even jbl srx /vrx/stx tops wowowow


^^I Totally agree i love my JBL SRX 728s's I also have some older SRX Dual 15's 47xx...
i can't seem to let go of.
joey lights 3:25 PM - 18 August, 2014
i just sold my eaw kf650z and bought jbl stx835 what an improvement im just a little disappointed they dont use a newer 2265h driver but instead went with a 2226h for the 15s. so smooth so hifi they do need power as the srx718 but all the newer amps like powersoft , lab gruppen , crown are there to deliver the goods and make these babys sing wonderful music.
in my experience with most srx/vrx setups ive seen is the wrong amps powering them not enough power or amps with weak supplies. i power mine with a crown ma12000i channel per 2 boxes . when i run it at home my neighbors here in brooklyn complain from down the block.
DJ GaFFle 3:38 PM - 18 August, 2014
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i just sold my eaw kf650z and bought jbl stx835 what an improvement im just a little disappointed they dont use a newer 2265h driver but instead went with a 2226h for the 15s. so smooth so hifi they do need power as the srx718 but all the newer amps like powersoft , lab gruppen , crown are there to deliver the goods and make these babys sing wonderful music.
in my experience with most srx/vrx setups ive seen is the wrong amps powering them not enough power or amps with weak supplies. i power mine with a crown ma12000i channel per 2 boxes . when i run it at home my neighbors here in brooklyn complain from down the block.

I have that same amp. My knock on the JBL srx/srx is they aren't very efficient. It takes a lot of power to get them really singing.
dj jamalot 3:44 PM - 18 August, 2014
That's inherent to the speakers design they were made for concert live usage therefore they take lots of power... You really should not use them if your amps can't push them. I love mine!
DJFree 8:18 PM - 21 October, 2014
I have two JBL Prx712 and 1 JBL Prx 718xlf.......I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this....will the 918 VRXsp do....trying to stay in the JBL family.
pdidy 8:29 PM - 21 October, 2014
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I have two JBL Prx712 and 1 JBL Prx 718xlf.......I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this....will the 918 VRXsp do....trying to stay in the JBL family.

professional djs don't mix subs
Joee 8:29 PM - 21 October, 2014
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I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this

yes it will get the second sub
DJFree 8:32 PM - 21 October, 2014
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I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this

yes it will get the second sub


Thanks man!
Joee 8:34 PM - 21 October, 2014
second xlf
pdidy 10:22 PM - 21 October, 2014
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I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this

yes it will get the second sub


Thanks man!

are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....
Joee 10:35 PM - 21 October, 2014
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are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....

easy! not err body got $20k for system…..lol

but if he told me he was a "party dj" my advise would be sell his current 718xlf add that to the money he already has & get two LS801P's, but than he would need a crossover i believe the prx715 don't have a high pass filter the crossover is in the jbl sub
DJFree 10:37 PM - 21 October, 2014
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I'm looking to add to the setup in a month or so to play for up to 350 people. I doubt another xlf can accomplish this

yes it will get the second sub


Thanks man!

are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....


I know they're not the same...I do weddings...but I'm not a wedding DJ....I do mobile events and some are up to 350 people....when I do weddings my one xlf has been enough for up to 150 people...I did a party at a small venue and we had 250-275 people and I had 2 DXR 15's with the one xlf at the time (of course the xlf couldn't keep up). So I asked the question to figure out which route I should go.
DJFree 10:39 PM - 21 October, 2014
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are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....

easy! not err body got $20k for system…..lol

but if he told me he was a "party dj" my advise would be sell his current 718xlf add that to the money he already has & get two LS801P's, but than he would need a crossover i believe the prx715 don't have a high pass filter the crossover is in the jbl sub


Yea Joee you're right the crossover is in my sub...I just bought the 712's which I like...not trying to go through all of that for the occasional 350 guest party. Plus those yorkville's will not fit in my GMC Terrain.
Joee 10:47 PM - 21 October, 2014
the second xlf sub is the way for you to go …..you could always add 3rd later if you felt the 2 weren't adequate svn add another 712 if you wanted to…..


build on your current system cause it's a good one….
DJFree 10:48 PM - 21 October, 2014
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the second xlf sub is the way for you to go …..you could always add 3rd later if you felt the 2 weren't adequate svn add another 712 if you wanted to…..


build on your current system cause it's a good one….


Cool. Appreciate it!
pdidy 11:00 PM - 21 October, 2014
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i would agree......

in regards to subs required for 350 @ party volumes I would say 3 to 4 are needed but if you cant carry them its a moot point.
rayjthedj 11:36 PM - 21 October, 2014
Make sure you couple the two or more subs, if you can back them up to a wall on the floor, you can easily get another 3-6 db of bass out of them this way.

Do not spread them and put the tops on poles over them, not only will you loose all the extra bass I mentioned above, you will create bass allies (dead zones).
pdidy 11:38 PM - 21 October, 2014
true
Joee 11:39 PM - 21 October, 2014
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Make sure you couple the two or more subs, if you can back them up to a wall on the floor, you can easily get another 3-6 db of bass out of them this way.

Do not spread them and put the tops on poles over them, not only will you loose all the extra bass I mentioned above, you will create bass allies (dead zones).

this is the only way to do it ;)
pdidy 11:48 PM - 21 October, 2014
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are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....

easy! not err body got $20k for system…..lol

I seldom ever recommend my VRX system for that reason....
Joee 12:06 AM - 22 October, 2014
all the worthwhile 18" subs are in the same $1,500 or less price point if you think about it

etx
prx
vrx
LS york
kw 181
rcf 8003
pdidy 12:27 AM - 22 October, 2014
yea, its really just the tops since you may need 4.
dj_soo 6:15 AM - 22 October, 2014
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Make sure you couple the two or more subs, if you can back them up to a wall on the floor, you can easily get another 3-6 db of bass out of them this way.

Do not spread them and put the tops on poles over them, not only will you loose all the extra bass I mentioned above, you will create bass allies (dead zones).


it now makes me angry when I see separated subs at venues and parties.
SG SOUNDS 8:11 PM - 22 October, 2014
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Make sure you couple the two or more subs, if you can back them up to a wall on the floor, you can easily get another 3-6 db of bass out of them this way.

Do not spread them and put the tops on poles over them, not only will you loose all the extra bass I mentioned above, you will create bass allies (dead zones).


So were to put the tops then?....I always put mine on top of my yorkvilles....I trout this is the way it should be done?
dj_soo 9:21 PM - 22 October, 2014
Put them on stands
pdidy 9:27 PM - 22 October, 2014
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Make sure you couple the two or more subs, if you can back them up to a wall on the floor, you can easily get another 3-6 db of bass out of them this way.

Do not spread them and put the tops on poles over them, not only will you loose all the extra bass I mentioned above, you will create bass allies (dead zones).


So were to put the tops then?....I always put mine on top of my yorkvilles....I trout this is the way it should be done?

Its fine to do it your way but there are some known disadvantages that may or may not matter or affect you.
Joee 4:08 PM - 24 October, 2014
@ pdidy

a interesting short read the guy prefers the rcf sub over the jbl, I've gotten rid of mine so i can't test myself it was just heaver than i wanted to carry

www.djchat.com
pdidy 6:43 PM - 24 October, 2014
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a interesting short read the guy prefers the rcf sub over the jbl, I've gotten rid of mine so i can't test myself it was just heaver than i wanted to carry

www.djchat.com

That was 1 JBL VRX918SP vs 2 art905as so im not surprised if it were true. Im sure there are alot of quality small 15" subs that sound better than a vrx918sp when you use 2 vs 1 vrx sub.

I would probably need 8 art905as at twice the price and more total weight to outperform my 4 vrx subs.
DJFree 2:50 PM - 31 October, 2014
Ok guys I got my other JBL PRX 718XLF.......what's the best way to connect with the tops.....1 xlr from each top to each sub......or is there another way to go about it?
Joee 2:56 PM - 31 October, 2014
how i would do it

both subs right next to each other input from you're mixer to one sub….make sure the out put of that sub is NOT set to high pass than output from that sub the the other make sure that sub output IS set to high pass …….now out that sub to you're tops……done
DJFree 3:01 PM - 31 October, 2014
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both subs right next to each other input from you're mixer to one sub….make sure the out put of that sub is NOT set to high pass than output from that sub the the other make sure that sub output IS set to high pass …….now out that sub to you're tops……done


Thanks for quick response man. I will test this out tomorrow.
Joee 3:08 PM - 31 October, 2014
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Thanks for quick response man. I will test this out tomorrow.

come back and report how the setup works at your event
JDforKing 3:14 PM - 31 October, 2014
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both subs right next to each other input from you're mixer to one sub….make sure the out put of that sub is NOT set to high pass than output from that sub the the other make sure that sub output IS set to high pass …….now out that sub to you're tops……done


Joee, why would you do it this way. Why not left and right out of mixer to each sub and out of the both subs to each top with the high pass set on each sub. (subs coupled)
Joee 3:20 PM - 31 October, 2014
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Joee, why would you do it this way. Why not left and right out of mixer to each sub and out of the both subs to each top with the high pass set on each sub. (subs coupled)

because that particular sub has a left & right input with a pass thru in the sub for the other sub, this way the subs gets full signal not just left or right, even tho bass is mono sum songs may not be

when ever i have a sub with stereo inputs this is the way i do it, now if the sub only has one input that i go left into one right to the other
JDforKing 3:23 PM - 31 October, 2014
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Joee, why would you do it this way. Why not left and right out of mixer to each sub and out of the both subs to each top with the high pass set on each sub. (subs coupled)

because that particular sub has a left & right input with a pass thru in the sub for the other sub, this way the subs gets full signal not just left or right, even tho bass is mono sum songs may not be

when ever i have a sub with stereo inputs this is the way i do it, now if the sub only has one input that i go left into one right to the other


I learned something today. I've been doing it the other way. Makes sense
JDforKing 3:23 PM - 31 October, 2014
I have 2 jbl prx718s
JDforKing 3:24 PM - 31 October, 2014
and 2 yamaha dxs12 that have stereo singals
JDforKing 3:24 PM - 31 October, 2014
signals
djvtyme85 6:53 AM - 1 November, 2014
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are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....

easy! not err body got $20k for system…..lol

but if he told me he was a "party dj" my advise would be sell his current 718xlf add that to the money he already has & get two LS801P's, but than he would need a crossover i believe the prx715 don't have a high pass filter the crossover is in the jbl sub



Yea Joee you're right the crossover is in my sub...I just bought the 712's which I like...not trying to go through all of that for the occasional 350 guest party. Plus those yorkville's will not fit in my GMC Terrain.


ive fit two prx 715s, a yorkville, cdj coffin, flight stand and my speaker pole bags in a chevy terrain no problem...im confused?
djvtyme85 6:59 AM - 1 November, 2014
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Ok guys I got my other JBL PRX 718XLF.......what's the best way to connect with the tops.....1 xlr from each top to each sub......or is there another way to go about it?


from my mixer i go into my right sub, link to my left sub (high pass on my left turned on) up to my left top and send a link from left top to my right
DJFree 11:16 AM - 1 November, 2014
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are you a wedding dj or a party dj playing for up to 350 people ?
They are not the same.....

easy! not err body got $20k for system…..lol

but if he told me he was a "party dj" my advise would be sell his current 718xlf add that to the money he already has & get two LS801P's, but than he would need a crossover i believe the prx715 don't have a high pass filter the crossover is in the jbl sub



Yea Joee you're right the crossover is in my sub...I just bought the 712's which I like...not trying to go through all of that for the occasional 350 guest party. Plus those yorkville's will not fit in my GMC Terrain.


ive fit two prx 715s, a yorkville, cdj coffin, flight stand and my speaker pole bags in a chevy terrain no problem...im confused?


The goal would be to get two subs not one....two yorkville's not fitting in a terrain.....are you carrying two moving heads/crank t bar/wash lights/rock n roller cart? Different ball game when you have a lot of miscellaneous items.
DJFree 4:30 PM - 2 November, 2014
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come back and report how the setup works at your event


Ok so the meeting space was 9,000 sq. ft.....350 seating capacity.....a pretty large space....I will say 125 people attended....I hooked it up the way you suggested....and at first I wasn't impressed....BUT the key is the Polarity button.....if you haven't tried the Polarity button with two of these subs try it....I couldn't notice the difference with one sub.....but with two it's a big difference....I'm happy with this purchase....will the bass punch in the chest.....no....but it fills the room nicely and sounds pretty freaking amazing. Thanks for the tips.
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congrats on finally completing the setup, so are you finally done buying speakers?

thank im done for at least 6 yrs but i mite upgrade my k12's.

djdisbjohn's got me thinking rcf hd32 ?


The driverack pa2 is nice. I got one too. Using the apple airport express for my router.

How long have you had your k12's?

Hopefully by next year I can get some vrx tops and one more sub. Then a digital 16 channel mixer

I Spent a big portion of my budget this yeAr on some more wireless uplights and ddj-sz

instagram.com

instagram.com



djdisbjohn what kind of uplights are those if you dont mind me asking ? Im trying to add fixtures to my packages as im tired of renting them and upcharging clients.
pdidy 1:34 AM - 18 November, 2014
@ D. J. Shawn Quick
the jbl caster kit is $89.....I found the same no vibration/noise wheels at home depot for $40

Theres a white plastic ring that circles the base of the wheels

i26.photobucket.com
ep.yimg.com
Joee 1:42 AM - 18 November, 2014
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i26.photobucket.com

yup he's drooling right about now….lol
JD WAS. 10:50 PM - 21 November, 2014
Is there a major difference between a prx18 vs a vrx sub?
Joee 11:06 PM - 21 November, 2014
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Is there a major difference between a prx18 vs a vrx sub?

i would say yes….

they use different drivers, if i'm not mistaken the vrx sub uses the same driver as the passive srx sub, i think…

i believe the vrx goes lower also...
Rebelguy 6:58 PM - 22 November, 2014
I am not sute if this has been asked but how do the vrx918s compare size-wise to the kw181s?
Joee 7:07 PM - 22 November, 2014
very similar in size the jbl may be a bit deeper
Rebelguy 9:08 PM - 22 November, 2014
For some reason I thought the Kw181s were small cabinets but comparing them to the kv2 EX-2.2s they seem about the same size.
Tenor 6:14 PM - 3 January, 2015
@pdidy

I read through this entire thread and am still confused as to which sub to buy. Right now, I'm looking at the LS801PB and the QSC KW181. I'd really prefer to have the additional headroom with the Yorkville, but I like the idea of being able to load the QSC in my SUV alone if necessary.

I'm close to VIP and they're giving me a great price for the Yorkville.

Any suggestions?
Joee 6:21 PM - 3 January, 2015
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@pdidy

I read through this entire thread and am still confused as to which sub to buy. Right now, I'm looking at the LS801PB and the QSC KW181. I'd really prefer to have the additional headroom with the Yorkville, but I like the idea of being able to load the QSC in my SUV alone if necessary.

I'm close to VIP and they're giving me a great price for the Yorkville.

Any suggestions?

the thread is called

"Speaker Battle....Yorkville ls801p vs JBL VRX918sp"

i don't think there was anyone that compared a kw181 to them?




in short york vs jbl

if you want better quality (better sounding) lower bass the jbl wins!!!!! if you want loud boomy bass the yorkvile wins

the kw181 in my opinion is not on the level of either two compared in this thread
Tenor 6:28 PM - 3 January, 2015
The KW's and other subs were mentioned numerous times above. I'm discussing the two that I'm interested in purchasing. The JBL is a bit out of my budget. I'm not sure how low VIP is willing to go on price for the JBL.

Thanks for your opinion though.
Joee 6:33 PM - 3 January, 2015
you can get the jbl for $1,500 new…..is that out of reach?


you can't really go wrong with a kw181 it is a workhorse but there are other options, whats your max budget per sub
Tenor 6:39 PM - 3 January, 2015
I didn't really want to go past $1300 since I still have to purchase the top end. If you guys think it's well worth the extra cost, I will consider it though.
Joee 6:46 PM - 3 January, 2015
the jbl is defiantly worth the extra money…..there was someone in this thread that bought one




he said that "one jbl vrx918sp sounded better than four of his ev elx118p subs"


he paid $1,550 shipped to his door!…..spend the extra money now you will be much happier on the long run what is it to spend a extra $250 per sub…..if you don't you might find yourself regretting it latter
Tenor 6:58 PM - 3 January, 2015
Would you happen to know the site where I can get it for the $1550?

Thanks.
Tenor 7:16 PM - 3 January, 2015
I may have to go to VIP or PAS. Those are the only two that I know wil negotiate and they won't ship since I'm in the area.
pdidy 9:09 PM - 3 January, 2015
I paid 1500 at vip
Tenor 9:24 PM - 3 January, 2015
@joee @ pdidy

Thanks to both of you.
Joee 10:00 PM - 3 January, 2015
NP
DJ GaFFle 5:07 PM - 5 January, 2015
Anybody want a MINT Yorkville LS801P for $950?

ourdjtalk.com
Joee 5:55 PM - 5 January, 2015
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Anybody want a MINT Yorkville LS801P for $950?

ourdjtalk.com

i think thats too much considering you can get a brand new one for $1,100 maybe even cheaper
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:38 PM - 5 January, 2015
Agree. Got the PB for 1225 brand new
DJ GaFFle 9:36 PM - 5 January, 2015
I didn't know they were THAT cheap!
pdidy 7:32 PM - 29 January, 2015
Been meaning to recommend these poles for a long time now.

JBL gas assist poles

Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Taipanic 8:34 PM - 29 January, 2015
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Been meaning to recommend these poles for a long time now.

JBL gas assist poles

Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com


Those are awesome! Really wanting 3 way cabs again now!
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:19 PM - 3 February, 2015
VRX918SP experts:

what pair of powered speakers would be ideal to pair with two VRX subs.

two tops, two subs

ideal budget would be under $2000 for the tops, but if more is required I ain't scared
djdisbjohn 5:27 PM - 3 February, 2015
JBL is coming out with the SRX800 powered line. I would really consider this and is something a lot of people have been asking for
Joee 5:30 PM - 3 February, 2015
if your not buying the matching vrx tops my recommendations would be

www.rcf.it

www.jblpro.com

both have 3" drivers and can be had for less than $1,000 each
Joee 5:31 PM - 3 February, 2015
@dub 12" or 15" ?
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:59 PM - 3 February, 2015
12" or smaller even.

the JBL tops are a path that I can't afford to go down right now. I'd get two but wan't four, then I would have to get more subs...

already eyeing that HD-32. pretty much confirming my choice on those.

RCF or dB subs were in close contention, but the JBLs won on size and weight. other wise, I'm not really a fan of JBL products. I do like the idea of buying a design that has stood the test of time and continues to be made without adding a bunch of bells and whistles. Plus the reviews in here...

already done the QSC KW181s, ready for a step up
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:01 PM - 3 February, 2015
prob get the HD-32s and a smaller set for monitors/small rental system with one VRX turned down

I loved the K8s, how do the Yamahas DXR8 stack against them?

[sorry old thread, I didn't mean to jack you]
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:02 PM - 3 February, 2015
or DXR8 vs DXR10?

no K10s
Joee 6:22 PM - 3 February, 2015
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I'm not really a fan of JBL products.

i'm the same ,but that vrx sub is undeniable ….i was alwas a ev fan until i started using rcf, get the hd32 you will be happy


if your only using one sub you will need to fun the system in mono, the rcf top doesn't have a hight pass filter…..so you will need to go into the sub come out to the top than form that top to the other top…….the jbl has a crossed over output
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:29 PM - 3 February, 2015
I usually run mono anyway. didn't notice the VRX only has single input.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:32 PM - 3 February, 2015
so, whats a good but quick and easy way to sum a stereo signal. Say I'm running vinyl...
Taipanic 6:34 PM - 3 February, 2015
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I usually run mono anyway. didn't notice the VRX only has single input.


You could also sum and run your second mixer output to the sub and your main XLRs to the tops to keep a stereo output. I do this when using one Yorkville LS801p. RCA out to XLR in on sub, XLR out to top cabinets.
Joee 6:47 PM - 3 February, 2015
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so, whats a good but quick and easy way to sum a stereo signal. Say I'm running vinyl...

good question, i never thought of that since all i do is select mono output in the serato software, i don't play regular vinyl anymore
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:12 PM - 3 February, 2015
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I usually run mono anyway. didn't notice the VRX only has single input.


You could also sum and run your second mixer output to the sub and your main XLRs to the tops to keep a stereo output. I do this when using one Yorkville LS801p. RCA out to XLR in on sub, XLR out to top cabinets.



wouldn't I get some cancelation because the tops are running full range
DJJASONLLAMAS 8:12 PM - 12 February, 2015
I have 8 jbl prx618xlf from what I understand the vrx918sp uses the same speaker as the 618xlf the differences is the amp on the 618xlf has 500x2 and the vrx918sp has 750x2 the vrx has a preset that cuts down the speaker to 80hz makes it sound real nices real low and smooth which I really love on the vrx the xlf dose not have the option to change the xover so it gives you more of a mid low bass. What im going to do is upgrade my xlf to the vrx amps make them 750x2 and get the cross over the vrx has getting the 80hz cut which I like. My question is will it be a big differences in sub sound volume quality or should I just sale and get all vrx918sp?
Joee 8:15 PM - 12 February, 2015
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What im going to do is upgrade my xlf to the vrx amps

how are you going to do this are the amp plates the exact same size?
DJJASONLLAMAS 9:39 PM - 12 February, 2015
Yes the amps are the exact same size the connections are exactly the same the amp is basically like the prx618xlf just more wattage and better xover.

www.fullcompass.com

reconingspeakers.com
desmorider 9:39 PM - 12 February, 2015
Quote:
I have 8 jbl prx618xlf from what I understand the vrx918sp uses the same speaker as the 618xlf the differences is the amp on the 618xlf has 500x2 and the vrx918sp has 750x2 the vrx has a preset that cuts down the speaker to 80hz makes it sound real nices real low and smooth which I really love on the vrx the xlf dose not have the option to change the xover so it gives you more of a mid low bass. What im going to do is upgrade my xlf to the vrx amps make them 750x2 and get the cross over the vrx has getting the 80hz cut which I like. My question is will it be a big differences in sub sound volume quality or should I just sale and get all vrx918sp?



Dude,
I would say sell what you have and go with the vrx's. The amps and dsp's in speakers are very specific, and the engineers do lots of research matching electronics with specific components and cabinet settings. If anything, and if you find the amps for a good price, maybe do the update on a couple of the cabinets and see how they sound. They might sound better, but could be a disaster.
DJJASONLLAMAS 9:44 PM - 12 February, 2015
I don't want to sale my xlfs because I do like them and I would be loosing a lot of money since there mintn and I wont get what I paid for them. Im just real into audio and would like to get everything I possibly can out of the xlfs. I run sound for bands and do big street festivals a little extra punch and low in bass is what I want more bass :D I plan on buying 8 vrx 918sp later on to complete my system.
SELECT 10:04 PM - 12 February, 2015
Cool video on how line arrays are setup in arenas. JBL VTX Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:11 PM - 12 February, 2015
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I don't want to sale my xlfs because I do like them and I would be loosing a lot of money since there mintn and I wont get what I paid for them. Im just real into audio and would like to get everything I possibly can out of the xlfs. I run sound for bands and do big street festivals a little extra punch and low in bass is what I want more bass :D I plan on buying 8 vrx 918sp later on to complete my system.


Then buy the proper equipment to do the job. Don't rely on a botched experiment that might ruin everything you have. Go but a DriveRack and fine tune the sound.
DJJASONLLAMAS 10:14 PM - 12 February, 2015
I have drive rack the prx618xlf cant be tune its already set by the dsp even if I cut the hz down to 80 the only thing that happens is the volume decreases
.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:24 PM - 12 February, 2015
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I have drive rack the prx618xlf cant be tune its already set by the dsp even if I cut the hz down to 80 the only thing that happens is the volume decreases
.


You have a Driverack and you are saying your speaker can't be tuned? Thanks. Nice talking to you.
DJJASONLLAMAS 10:29 PM - 12 February, 2015
What im saying it doesn't make much differences even if I out it at 80z 24oct/cut it doesn't make a big differences. If I set the vrx918 to 120 it sounds like the xlf but when I engage the 80hz button on the vrx is a whole different story.
DJJASONLLAMAS 10:30 PM - 12 February, 2015
i don't even use the drive rack anymore i use my x32 for crossover now.
SELECT 10:41 PM - 12 February, 2015
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Quote:
I have drive rack the prx618xlf cant be tune its already set by the dsp even if I cut the hz down to 80 the only thing that happens is the volume decreases
.


You have a Driverack and you are saying your speaker can't be tuned? Thanks. Nice talking to you.


Just a whole lot of wrongs here. Using driveracks with powered speakers that are already tuned and have DSP doesnt make any sense to me and never will. I have a driverack pa+ and know how to use it very well. Also this whole using VRX parts in an XLF box is just plain dumb as they are completely different boxes to begin with and will sound completely different. Also some subs are designed to operate above 80hz. You'll get more of the chest thumping bass above 80hz. I like my sub crossover at 100hz, hits harder.

All these entry level "mobile DJ" powered speakers and subs are tuned from factory and have specific crossovers to make them work best. Using a driverack or similar will not help.
SELECT 10:45 PM - 12 February, 2015
The only time I would use a driverack for powered speakers is if I had speakers from different brands or mixing with passive.

Overall 9 times out of ten you will end up killing your sound if you dont know how to use a driverack.
pdidy 11:04 PM - 12 February, 2015
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I run sound for bands and do big street festivals a little extra punch and low in bass is what I want more bass :D I plan on buying 8 vrx 918sp later on to complete my system.

Ok for the sake of argument lets pretend that speaker cabinet design, size and port tuning has absolutly no effect on sound, ok cool.....

Now lets look into my crystal ball 2 years into the future......You now have 8 modified prx618xlf and 8 vrx 918sp "to complete my system."

You then decide that you want to be respected and recognized as a "Professional" sound provider but your 8 modified prx618xlf will NEVER be rider friendly nor will it EVER look professional to use mismatched speaker cabs.

Its at this point that you realize you've made a serious mistake, you need to sell the 8 modified prx618xlf and purchase 8 JBL VRX918sp but unfortunately you've already invested
$365.73 per cab X 8 = $2925.84 additional money into what are now old cabs so you loose most if not all you investment in resell. The prx618xlf itself has also lost some resell value over the (wasted) 2 years. You should have "got out early" and sold high and cut your loses to a minimum.

You then get a flashback from this very thread of someone advising you "DON'T DO IT" and then you wake up...........
Papa Midnight 11:16 PM - 12 February, 2015
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Quote:
I run sound for bands and do big street festivals a little extra punch and low in bass is what I want more bass :D I plan on buying 8 vrx 918sp later on to complete my system.

Ok for the sake of argument lets pretend that speaker cabinet design, size and port tuning has absolutly no effect on sound, ok cool.....

Now lets look into my crystal ball 2 years into the future......You now have 8 modified prx618xlf and 8 vrx 918sp "to complete my system."

You then decide that you want to be respected and recognized as a "Professional" sound provider but your 8 modified prx618xlf will NEVER be rider friendly nor will it EVER look professional to use mismatched speaker cabs.

Its at this point that you realize you've made a serious mistake, you need to sell the 8 modified prx618xlf and purchase 8 JBL VRX918sp but unfortunately you've already invested
$365.73 per cab X 8 = $2925.84 additional money into what are now old cabs so you loose most if not all you investment in resell. The prx618xlf itself has also lost some resell value over the (wasted) 2 years. You should have "got out early" and sold high and cut your loses to a minimum.

You then get a flashback from this very thread of someone advising you "DON'T DO IT" and then you wake up...........

I think that's end of discussion. Let's wrap it up, folks.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 12:34 AM - 13 February, 2015
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I have drive rack the prx618xlf cant be tune its already set by the dsp even if I cut the hz down to 80 the only thing that happens is the volume decreases
.


You have a Driverack and you are saying your speaker can't be tuned? Thanks. Nice talking to you.


Just a whole lot of wrongs here. Using driveracks with powered speakers that are already tuned and have DSP doesnt make any sense to me and never will. I have a driverack pa+ and know how to use it very well. Also this whole using VRX parts in an XLF box is just plain dumb as they are completely different boxes to begin with and will sound completely different. Also some subs are designed to operate above 80hz. You'll get more of the chest thumping bass above 80hz. I like my sub crossover at 100hz, hits harder.

All these entry level "mobile DJ" powered speakers and subs are tuned from factory and have specific crossovers to make them work best. Using a driverack or similar will not help.


I guess the people who designed the Driverack PX for powered speaker should have consulted you before making it huh? Since you seem to know better.

P Diddy you need to throw your Driverack away. It doesn't make sense to use it on powered speakers. Select said so.
Joee 12:54 AM - 13 February, 2015
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I guess the people who designed the Driverack PX for powered speaker should have consulted you before making it huh? Since you seem to know better.

P Diddy you need to throw your Driverack away. It doesn't make sense to use it on powered speakers. Select said so.

i have to agree with you, it's kind of like saying don't use a eq to do fine adjustments

it may sound good already but you can make it sound better buy using a eq
Joee 12:55 AM - 13 February, 2015
this is made for powered speakers
dbxpro.com
Rebelguy 2:17 AM - 13 February, 2015
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this is made for powered speakers
dbxpro.com


That unit was released in 2009 and is no longer available at any online retailers. At this point most current Active speakers internal DSP would probably do away with the need for it.
SELECT 4:30 AM - 13 February, 2015
Lol, $400.00 for an EQ for powered speakers. Yeah that seems like a smart investment and great way to tune already tuned powered speakers. Its ridiculous and of the 5 people I know who have one, none use them. Stay away from those things for powered speakers. DBX got a lot of people to buy those thinking it would magically make your shitty entry level speakers sound good.
SELECT 4:37 AM - 13 February, 2015
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this is made for powered speakers
dbxpro.com


and for the record I used this with the QSC k12s back in 2012. No thanks, the speakers sound better without it.
DJJASONLLAMAS 8:27 AM - 13 February, 2015
The drive rack and eq dose make a differences not a lot but it dose help the speakers from clipping too soon on the xlf. I have my xlf heavily eq to sound similer to the 918sp but audio for me is never ending I always want to sound the best and I would so the upgrade just for the fun of it even if it makes the box a little louder. I use to run American audio subs before the pxw18p which I had taken the 18inch drivers out and put in carvin speakers and they sounded amazingly good.
DJJASONLLAMAS 8:34 AM - 13 February, 2015
I have a total of 8 vrx 932lap and 8xlfs the only reason why I got the xlfs the guy at guitar center told me the vrx918sp was more because of the fly wear but now that I have heard the vrx subs they sound bigger lower cleaner like a sub suppose to sound I don't care about punch quality is where is at.

Here's my sound system

Watchwww.youtube.com
Joee 12:32 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Lol, $400.00 for an EQ for powered speakers. Yeah that seems like a smart investment and great way to tune already tuned powered speakers. Its ridiculous and of the 5 people I know who have one, none use them. Stay away from those things for powered speakers. DBX got a lot of people to buy those thinking it would magically make your shitty entry level speakers sound good.

you own etx great speaker has more built in processing than I've ever seen in a powered speaker soooooo many adjustments can be made from eq to crossover points etc. they absolutely do NOT need any kind of external processing


now i own ZXA5's which have no DSP no processing no limit protection so i would benefit greatly buy using i DriveRack
SG SOUNDS 12:36 PM - 13 February, 2015
Everybody knows ive been wanting to swap out my yorkies for another sub because of that anoying boomness the yorkies can produce,well i think i changed my mind...:)

Ive been getting alot of advice from members from this forum and other forums on how to fine tune the yorkies with just a 31 band eq..Did a gig this weekend in a large size banquet hall with 4 yorkies coupled together and 2 EV 35-p on top and i had my DXR15's as fillers in some spots around the back of the hall (didn't really need them i soon found out)

The little recommended settings i did on my ashley 31 eq and the back of the yorkies made a hell of a difference..The boomy sound i always been complaining about was almost non existent...It had the sound that i wanted for soca and dancehall music...In your face slaming tight bass that had me smiling all night

So as of now im some what satisfied maybe ill keep them and add more..still want to hear the new jbl double 18 subs...who knows what ill end up doing...But thise yorkies can sure fill any room up with alot of bass..
Joee 12:48 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Ive been getting alot of advice from members from this forum and other forums on how to fine tune the yorkies with just a 31 band eq..Did a gig this weekend in a large size banquet hall with 4 yorkies coupled together and 2 EV 35-p on top and i had my DXR15's as fillers in some spots around the back of the hall (didn't really need them i soon found out)

exactly my point in the statement below

Quote:
i have to agree with you, it's kind of like saying don't use a eq to do fine adjustments

it may sound good already but you can make it sound better buy using a eq
Joee 1:36 PM - 13 February, 2015
Quote:
Ive been getting alot of advice from members from this forum and other forums on how to fine tune the yorkies with just a 31 band eq..Did a gig this weekend in a large size banquet hall with 4 yorkies coupled together and 2 EV 35-p on top and i had my DXR15's as fillers in some spots around the back of the hall (didn't really need them i soon found out)

The little recommended settings i did on my ashley 31 eq and the back of the yorkies made a hell of a difference..The boomy sound i always been complaining about was almost non existent...It had the sound that i wanted for soca and dancehall music...In your face slaming tight bass that had me smiling all night

exactly my point in the statement below
Quote:
i have to agree with you, it's kind of like saying don't use a eq to do fine adjustments

it may sound good already but you can make it sound better buy using a eq



fixed!
Taipanic 3:28 PM - 13 February, 2015
I'm gong the opposite direction and saying for $360 get a single amp and test it out. You can A/B the speakers and see if it does make a significant change in sound quality and volume.

As far as an outboard processor I think they are useful and sometimes necessary, depending on the powered speaker you are using. Most of the big boys on the ProSound Forums hate the Driverack series though and recommend almost anything else.
That said, I will probably get one anyways for my ZXa5s if I keep them, don't know if I can justify shelling out the $1G for the EV DCOne.
SELECT 4:48 PM - 13 February, 2015
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I have a total of 8 vrx 932lap and 8xlfs the only reason why I got the xlfs the guy at guitar center told me the vrx918sp was more because of the fly wear but now that I have heard the vrx subs they sound bigger lower cleaner like a sub suppose to sound I don't care about punch quality is where is at.

Here's my sound system

Watchwww.youtube.com


Your first mistake was listening to the guy at guitar center. Second was not buying matching subs for you line array tops. The subs you have are not meant to work with your tops. Sell the XLFs and get your VRX subs to match your tops. I used to set my SRX subs at 80hz so I know exactly the sound your talking about. That smooth, rich bass. Next I would invest in a proper mixing console or similar. You're working with live music, do it right.

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now i own ZXA5's which have no DSP no processing no limit protection so i would benefit greatly buy using i DriveRack


Well duh, any speaker with no DSP needs a driverack or similar. Last I checked the ZXA5 were not entry level speakers made for DJ work even though a lot of people use them like that. Same with any line arrays. I wouldnt use those without some sort of signal processing or mixing console.
Quote:
Everybody knows ive been wanting to swap out my yorkies for another sub because of that anoying boomness the yorkies can produce,well i think i changed my mind...:)

Ive been getting alot of advice from members from this forum and other forums on how to fine tune the yorkies with just a 31 band eq..Did a gig this weekend in a large size banquet hall with 4 yorkies coupled together and 2 EV 35-p on top and i had my DXR15's as fillers in some spots around the back of the hall (didn't really need them i soon found out)

The little recommended settings i did on my ashley 31 eq and the back of the yorkies made a hell of a difference..The boomy sound i always been complaining about was almost non existent...It had the sound that i wanted for soca and dancehall music...In your face slaming tight bass that had me smiling all night

So as of now im some what satisfied maybe ill keep them and add more..still want to hear the new jbl double 18 subs...who knows what ill end up doing...But thise yorkies can sure fill any room up with alot of bass..


I have a stand alone DBX eq that I used to use with my old EAW dual sub. You could get one for about 150.00 bucks. Again, driverack is not needed for the yorkie subs. What fequencies did you cut down?
Joee 5:24 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Well duh, any speaker with no DSP needs a driverack or similar. Last I checked the ZXA5 were not entry level speakers made for DJ work even though a lot of people use them like that. Same with any line arrays. I wouldnt use those without some sort of signal processing or mixing console.

right so we agree that there are times were you would use some sort of signal processing with powered speakers? right




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I have a stand alone DBX eq that I used to use with my old EAW dual sub. You could get one for about 150.00 bucks. Again, driverack is not needed for the yorkie subs. What fequencies did you cut down?

& have you ever used this eq with powered speakers?
SELECT 5:38 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Well duh, any speaker with no DSP needs a driverack or similar. Last I checked the ZXA5 were not entry level speakers made for DJ work even though a lot of people use them like that. Same with any line arrays. I wouldnt use those without some sort of signal processing or mixing console.

right so we agree that there are times were you would use some sort of signal processing with powered speakers? right

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I have a stand alone DBX eq that I used to use with my old EAW dual sub. You could get one for about 150.00 bucks. Again, driverack is not needed for the yorkie subs. What fequencies did you cut down?

& have you ever used this eq with powered speakers?



Again, entry level powered speakers, no! Everyone I know personally who has bought the driverack for powered speakers has used them with QSC K/KW, JBL PRX & Alto speakers. None of them got better sound using it.

Now pro level touring powered speakers are a whole different animal. You will need some type of signal processing as they are mainly used with live music. You could get away with using a driverack, but that wouldnt be the best solution. Ive never seen one at any event Ive done with line arrays for that matter. Its always a pro level mixing console.

Ive also never used an EQ with powered speakers. Never felt the need.
Joee 6:03 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Ive also never used an EQ with powered speakers. Never felt the need.

i don't use any signal processing at all, like you i never felt the need

now i did let a friend of mine use my zxa5's one day ..i wish i would have had a drive rack on that day cause he banged them so hard he ripped the cone off the voice coil …no harm as he payed for the recone ….he did no understand proper gain structure


JM was all on my sh!t about not having some sort of signal processing …..i said i don't need it my speakers sound good out the box


that said IMHO, there are times that a eq will make your system sound better as not all rooms are alike & you might need to take some frequencies down & bring some up in certain venues
DJJASONLLAMAS 6:11 PM - 13 February, 2015
Yeah that's true I shouldn't of listen to that guy at guitar center but when he dropped the prices to $950 a box I was sold. The xlfs aren't that bad I use them with my vrx they work well they throw far I never had any problems for the 4 years I had them and I crank them but ever since the prx718 xlf came out my friends been bashing me saying I have 1500 watts you only have 1000 that's how all this started on me wanting more bass more power. For mixing consoles I have a behringer x32 and a x32 rack which I enjoy using a lot and give me a lot of flexibility on my sound. I have my own eqs and xovor cuts on the mixers matrix's system for my speakers im not use to working any other way I need to be in control a little eq goes a long way trust me.
Joee 6:14 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Yeah that's true I shouldn't of listen to that guy at guitar center but when he dropped the prices to $950 a box I was sold. The xlfs aren't that bad I use them with my vrx they work well they throw far I never had any problems for the 4 years I had them and I crank them but ever since the prx718 xlf came out my friends been bashing me saying I have 1500 watts you only have 1000 that's how all this started on me wanting more bass more power. For mixing consoles I have a behringer x32 and a x32 rack which I enjoy using a lot and give me a lot of flexibility on my sound. I have my own eqs and xovor cuts on the mixers matrix's system for my speakers im not use to working any other way I need to be in control a little eq goes a long way trust me.

honestly if i were you …..i'd just sell them and get vrx 918sp's you can find them for $1,500 each
SELECT 6:35 PM - 13 February, 2015
Yup, sell them and get the matching VRX subs for your tops. You will never be happy until then, never. If you care about your sound you would do it. Sell em all and start with two if need be.
Joee 6:43 PM - 13 February, 2015
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Yup, sell them and get the matching VRX subs for your tops. You will never be happy until then, never. If you care about your sound you would do it. Sell em all and start with two if need be.

i'm going to say he will be able to get $700 each easy maybe even $800

considering he's used the & made money with them he would not be losing out IMO

@DJJASONLLAMAS

if you could sell all 8 for $750 that's $6,000 it will pay for 4 vrx918sp's
djvtyme85 1:16 AM - 14 February, 2015
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Yeah that's true I shouldn't of listen to that guy at guitar center but when he dropped the prices to $950 a box I was sold. The xlfs aren't that bad I use them with my vrx they work well they throw far I never had any problems for the 4 years I had them and I crank them but ever since the prx718 xlf came out my friends been bashing me saying I have 1500 watts you only have 1000 that's how all this started on me wanting more bass more power. For mixing consoles I have a behringer x32 and a x32 rack which I enjoy using a lot and give me a lot of flexibility on my sound. I have my own eqs and xovor cuts on the mixers matrix's system for my speakers im not use to working any other way I need to be in control a little eq goes a long way trust me.


that "1500 watts" is realistically 750 continuous and the "1000" is 500 continous on the 718 vs the 618 subs. every brand these days throw that big number out there to sell gear
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:21 PM - 14 February, 2015
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JM was all on my sh!t about not having some sort of signal processing …..i said i don't need it my speakers sound good out the box


Anybody that's SERIOUS and has PROFESSIONAL equipment BETTER have some sort of signal processing in their sound chain....

What's the matter with y'all?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:23 PM - 14 February, 2015
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that said IMHO, there are times that a eq will make your system sound better as not all rooms are alike & you might need to take some frequencies down & bring some up in certain venues


Ok, I see you're starting to read the manual....

Nice!
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:16 PM - 18 February, 2015
just pulled the trigger on my first VRX918SP

should be here next week. Dealer didn't have bags in stock, anywhere out there with good deals for the 918S-CVR?
Joee 10:28 PM - 18 February, 2015
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just pulled the trigger on my first VRX918SP

should be here next week. Dealer didn't have bags in stock, anywhere out there with good deals for the 918S-CVR?

i hope you payed in the $1,500 range?
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:34 PM - 18 February, 2015
yep, with shipping.

c,mon....it's Dub!!
Joee 10:41 PM - 18 February, 2015
^ good……congrats
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:47 PM - 18 February, 2015
I did my homework. Still searching for the cover for less than a bill though
Joee 10:53 PM - 18 February, 2015
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I did my homework. Still searching for the cover for less than a bill though

well if you don't mind the quilted moving blanket covers you can get two for $150
Joee 10:55 PM - 18 February, 2015
www.ebay.com


al pulin says there very good covers
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:02 PM - 18 February, 2015
I saw those...

the price plus chipping equals the price of two of the official ones with free shipping.

I guess I'll go with the $99 BIN fast and free shipping.
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:06 PM - 18 February, 2015
does everybody use the covers?
Joee 11:35 PM - 18 February, 2015
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does everybody use the covers?

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i never use to use covers, than one day one of my art 312-a took a fall and a chunk came out, i sold them ever since all my speakers have covers
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:15 AM - 19 February, 2015
yeah. my speakers don't move without covers.

easily worth $100 to prevent the inevitable first week ding or dent.
SELECT 3:34 PM - 19 February, 2015
To those with the VRX 918SP sub, what do you set your crossover and attenuation at? How does the sub sound at 120hz? I would think it would hit harder, but not sound as smooth? What about the input sensitivity? Where do you leave this set at? Im curious since everyone has a different opinion & knowledge of how things should sound.

SUB WOOFER LO-PASS
Two-position push button DSP preset selection
switch, engages either an 80Hz or 120Hz Lo-Pass filter (graph 3).
The default 80Hz position is recommended. The120Hz
Lo-Pass filter option becomes useful when external
signal processing is used or if the low frequency extension
of the companion full range system does not reach 80Hz

ATTENUATION
Detented rotary input sensitivity control attenuates level in 0.5 dB steps. The Input Sensitivity is +4 dBU
nominal (+20 dBU clip) with the control fully counter clockwise, and -10 dBV nominal (+4 dBU clip) with
the control fully clockwise. (Note: Professional mixing boards with XLR outputs should use the fully counter-
clockwise position as a starting point. Whereas semi-professional equipment with 1.4 inch jack’s, RCA
connectors and unbalanced sources should start at the middle position - watch for clipping (peak LED)!
djdisbjohn 5:30 PM - 19 February, 2015
I set it to 80Hz. You may get a little more boom at 120hz, but it starts to sound muddy and not a smooth.

I set the sensitivity between 3-4 o'clock (close to max). As long as my gain structure in my input chain is good, never had any clipping issues.
SELECT 5:55 PM - 19 February, 2015
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I set it to 80Hz. You may get a little more boom at 120hz, but it starts to sound muddy and not a smooth.

I set the sensitivity between 3-4 o'clock (close to max). As long as my gain structure in my input chain is good, never had any clipping issues.


Cool, anyone else with a driverack/mixing board? Do you leave it a 120hz and cross it over at any other point? How does it sound at around 100hz? Im really curious since my ETX 15inch sub sounds way better at 100hz. Obviously its a different sound/box, etc. I never placed my SRX sub above 90hz with my DBX when I had it, but I wish I would have just to hear/feel it.
pdidy 7:52 PM - 19 February, 2015
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How does the sub sound at 120hz?


The JBL VRX918sp sounds absolutely terrible at 120hz, this speaker was clearly designed to only go low. They are nothing like a Yorkville 801p sub that sounds just fine when played up that high in frequency.

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What about the input sensitivity? Where do you leave this set at?


Mine are always set at unity or 0db which is all the way up.


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driverack/mixing board? Do you leave it a 120hz and cross it over at any other point? How does it sound at around 100hz?


Yes when I'm using my driverack I set the VRX918sp at 120hz to allow the driverack to controller the crossover processing. 100hz is one of the crossover settings that i use on the DBX driverack depending on what particular sound I want for that particular room.
SELECT 8:01 PM - 19 February, 2015
Cool, all this is good to know!
Sharod 4:24 PM - 20 February, 2015
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just pulled the trigger on my first VRX918SP[b]
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should be here next week. Dealer didn't have bags in stock, anywhere out there with good deals for the 918S-CVR?[b]
i hope you payed in the $1,500 range?
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yep, with shipping.[b]
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c,mon....it's Dub!!


Where did you buy it from? I want to get one for that price.
Certified Quality Entertainment 5:13 PM - 23 February, 2015
Just picked up a 2nd LS801pb. Didn't really need it but got an increadible deal from someone selling. Too good not to grab it. Looking forward to a few gigs where I will use both!
SG SOUNDS 5:22 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Just picked up a 2nd LS801pb. Didn't really need it but got an increadible deal from someone selling. Too good not to grab it. Looking forward to a few gigs where I will use both!


Nice!!! I use 4 of them and i was honestly looking to get rid of them for something that was less boomy (VRX918SP)but after making some adjustments on my 31 band eq (recommended settings from djs on this forum) the boomness is almost non existent now....No speaker fills up a hall like the yorkies (in its price range).
pdidy 5:36 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Just picked up a 2nd LS801pb. Didn't really need it but got an increadible deal from someone selling. Too good not to grab it. Looking forward to a few gigs where I will use both!


Nice!!! I use 4 of them and i was honestly looking to get rid of them for something that was less boomy (VRX918SP)but after making some adjustments on my 31 band eq (recommended settings from djs on this forum) the boomness is almost non existent now....No speaker fills up a hall like the yorkies (in its price range).

I agree and any attempts to beat a Yorkville will come at a very steep price. So there's not much reason to switch unless you want to drop weight.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:51 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Just picked up a 2nd LS801pb. Didn't really need it but got an increadible deal from someone selling. Too good not to grab it. Looking forward to a few gigs where I will use both!


Nice!!! I use 4 of them and i was honestly looking to get rid of them for something that was less boomy (VRX918SP)but after making some adjustments on my 31 band eq (recommended settings from djs on this forum) the boomness is almost non existent now....No speaker fills up a hall like the yorkies (in its price range).


What EQ do you use? Has anyone ran their yorks through a driverack? Would potentially look to do that with my ZXAs and yorks. Not sure which driverack to get and how to tune properly.
pdidy 9:05 PM - 23 February, 2015
I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.
Certified Quality Entertainment 9:16 PM - 23 February, 2015
Your speakers are included in the tuning. I wouldn't know how to tune as all my speakers are not listed.
SG SOUNDS 11:21 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Just picked up a 2nd LS801pb. Didn't really need it but got an increadible deal from someone selling. Too good not to grab it. Looking forward to a few gigs where I will use both!


Nice!!! I use 4 of them and i was honestly looking to get rid of them for something that was less boomy (VRX918SP)but after making some adjustments on my 31 band eq (recommended settings from djs on this forum) the boomness is almost non existent now....No speaker fills up a hall like the yorkies (in its price range).


What EQ do you use? Has anyone ran their yorks through a driverack? Would potentially look to do that with my ZXAs and yorks. Not sure which driverack to get and how to tune properly.


I use a ashly 31 band eq (any 31 band eq should work fine) and did slight cuts on the lower frequencies and everything else flat. then i run the signal from my eq to a crossover and set that at about 90 then to the yorkies...Very pleased with the sound im getting from them now together with my ETX 35P's...Clear vocals and chest thumping bass that kicks..I play soca,and dancehall music...

I got some extra money and im thinking about selling my DXR 15's and picking up a pair of Zxa5's once again..I had them before but sold them and gotten the ETX 35p (major upgrade in the sound quality department) but my DXR'S can hold it down on its own for small gigs..so maybe i might just get a rane 62 that i always wanted..
Joee 11:45 PM - 23 February, 2015
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I got some extra money and im thinking about selling my DXR 15's and picking up a pair of Zxa5's once again..I had them before but sold them and gotten the ETX 35p (major upgrade in the sound quality department) but my DXR'S can hold it down on its own for small gigs..so maybe i might just get a rane 62 that i always wanted..

wait for the new jbl prx800 before you take the plunge
SG SOUNDS 11:55 PM - 23 February, 2015
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I got some extra money and im thinking about selling my DXR 15's and picking up a pair of Zxa5's once again..I had them before but sold them and gotten the ETX 35p (major upgrade in the sound quality department) but my DXR'S can hold it down on its own for small gigs..so maybe i might just get a rane 62 that i always wanted..

wait for the new jbl prx800 before you take the plunge


Im betting they will go down lower and have a better soud quality than the yorkies,but i doubt they will over throw the yorkies in the output department..But yes i can't wait to hear them...
pdidy 11:58 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Your speakers are included in the tuning. I wouldn't know how to tune as all my speakers are not listed.

You will need to manually tune the yorkville sub, Its 80hz that needs to be reduced about 6db.

The main reason i recommended the driverack pa2 is because its very user friendly to users who have no driverack experience when using the remote feature.

@ 1:01 it shows you how easy to adjust the EQ Watchwww.youtube.com
Joee 12:09 AM - 24 February, 2015
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Im betting they will go down lower and have a better soud quality than the yorkies,but i doubt they will over throw the yorkies in the output department..But yes i can't wait to hear them...

i was talking about the two way's ,since your thinking of getting zxa5's
dj_soo 1:10 AM - 24 February, 2015
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I got some extra money and im thinking about selling my DXR 15's and picking up a pair of Zxa5's once again..I had them before but sold them and gotten the ETX 35p (major upgrade in the sound quality department) but my DXR'S can hold it down on its own for small gigs..so maybe i might just get a rane 62 that i always wanted..

wait for the new jbl prx800 before you take the plunge


Im betting they will go down lower and have a better soud quality than the yorkies,but i doubt they will over throw the yorkies in the output department..But yes i can't wait to hear them...


Even yorkvilles' own brand new para source subs dbr get anywhere near as loud as the elite subs
Johnnynights 1:41 AM - 24 February, 2015
You guys using the ls801p what settings you running them on the back?
pdidy 1:58 AM - 24 February, 2015
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You guys using the ls801p what settings you running them on the back?

the standard setting is everything 12oclock, anything else is preference.
SG SOUNDS 3:42 PM - 24 February, 2015
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You guys using the ls801p what settings you running them on the back?


Shape--all the way clockwise on deep
Roll off---a little over 90
Level----12 o'clock position
SELECT 4:16 PM - 24 February, 2015
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You guys using the ls801p what settings you running them on the back?


Shape--all the way clockwise on deep
Roll off---a little over 90
Level----12 o'clock position



Good info guys, everyone sets their speakers differently. Also you have to take note the input sound comes from different sources, mixer boards, DBX racks & mixers. So from one setup to the next it can sound completely different. At least we can kind of get an idea of what works and what doesnt.
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:18 PM - 24 February, 2015
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I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.


just got one of these. RTFM right now while I wait for my Sub to be delivered
pdidy 7:24 PM - 24 February, 2015
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I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.


just got one of these. RTFM right now while I wait for my Sub to be delivered

Yeah and you will definitely need to read the manual if you do not use the remote feature on iPad or android...... by the way that feature requires a dedicated router connected to it but it makes it a joy to use.
SELECT 9:27 PM - 24 February, 2015
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I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.


just got one of these. RTFM right now while I wait for my Sub to be delivered

Yeah and you will definitely need to read the manual if you do not use the remote feature on iPad or android...... by the way that feature requires a dedicated router connected to it but it makes it a joy to use.


Being able to control it from an IPAD is so fucking amazing. Watching that video about it makes me think of how much easier and better I could have tuned my sound. You can actually position yourself in front to tune your sound at a gig just like a proper soundman. So many times I had to run out onto the dancefloor to hear and go back to adjust. Just a pain in the ass and would generally take up so much time. Its amazing what theyve done with that. I kinda wish I would have kept my SRX tops and got the new dbx. :(
pdidy 9:53 PM - 24 February, 2015
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You can actually position yourself in front to tune your sound at a gig just like a proper soundman. So many times I had to run out onto the dancefloor to hear and go back to adjust. Just a pain in the ass and would generally take up so much time. Its amazing what theyve done with that.


BINGO !!
Thats exactly what im talkin bout, I don't think some people quite realize how GAME CHANGING this really is.
SELECT 10:15 PM - 24 February, 2015
For real. Its really the only way to go! Seeing the IPAD DBX control in action I cant imagine doing it any other way now. Doesnt seem right.
Johnnynights 4:26 AM - 25 February, 2015
Thanks guys,i pre ordered a pair of those new srx 815p...i sold my dxr 12 which i loved a lot but i made the change hope i did the right choice lol..

I plan on using those srx815p with my yorkville ls801p.
SELECT 5:04 AM - 25 February, 2015
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Thanks guys,i pre ordered a pair of those new srx 815p...i sold my dxr 12 which i loved a lot but i made the change hope i did the right choice lol..

I plan on using those srx815p with my yorkville ls801p.


Please update with pics and video please.
Johnnynights 5:07 AM - 25 February, 2015
Yeah ill make a video of them once i get them.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:22 PM - 25 February, 2015
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I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.


just got one of these. RTFM right now while I wait for my Sub to be delivered


Joee? U see that?

;-D
Joee 12:27 PM - 25 February, 2015
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Thanks guys,i pre ordered a pair of those new srx 815p...i sold my dxr 12 which i loved a lot but i made the change hope i did the right choice lol..

I plan on using those srx815p with my yorkville ls801p.


Please update with pics and video please.

and a review, thank you

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I use and recommend the DBX driverack PA2.


just got one of these. RTFM right now while I wait for my Sub to be delivered


Joee? U see that?

;-D

i did………you see i do recommend other gear besides RCF
Joee 12:28 PM - 25 February, 2015
^ i don't know if you know but me and dub were chatting i recommended the vrx to


at least i think i did……lol, but i know you taking about the DR
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:48 PM - 25 February, 2015
I'm saying....have you started reading those manuals yet? lol.
Joee 1:53 PM - 25 February, 2015
man you already know……


real sh!t when i go to restaurants i don't even read the menu….i already know what i want..lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:54 PM - 25 February, 2015
lmao......You know....

I ain't even mad....

So who's better Pats or Gino's in your opinion?
Joee 1:56 PM - 25 February, 2015
i thought i told you already?


any way every once in a wile i will buy one form each and eat half of each just to see which i like better…….it always pats for me
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:16 PM - 25 February, 2015
Pat's huh? Good Info....

Stay tuned...
SG SOUNDS 3:04 PM - 25 February, 2015
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Thanks guys,i pre ordered a pair of those new srx 815p...i sold my dxr 12 which i loved a lot but i made the change hope i did the right choice lol..

I plan on using those srx815p with my yorkville ls801p.


I would of waited till they came out..Those DXR 12's sound really nice
Joee 4:56 PM - 25 February, 2015
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Pat's huh? Good Info....

Stay tuned...

this answer is subjective

reason being pats put more cheese where genos puts less


i like cheese so pats wins for me, if your not that into cheese genos might be the ticket

pats--> upload.wikimedia.org

genos--> upload.wikimedia.org
SELECT 7:01 PM - 25 February, 2015
Did you guys know this? In particular those with the Rane 62 mixer. "Unity gain" is 7 on the master output. Meaning same going in, going out basically. Those of you setting up your sound or using a DBX should read this. Good stuff on gain structure.

serato.com
SELECT 7:46 PM - 25 February, 2015
Another one about setting up the gain structure- serato.com
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:05 AM - 27 February, 2015
just reporting back.

The dbx PA2 is amazing. Best investment ever for the sound system. I am considering putting this is in a rack of it's own and running between my mixer and everything else, just for the remote EQ.


I'm using it with and AirPort Extreme which is a bit more of a router than I'd like to carry, curious if anyone has gotten this to work with an AirPort Express (1st gen)


The JBL VRX918SP is a beast...when it's tuned right. It's really easy to make this thing sound like shit. 90Hz seems to be the sweet spot between one and a pair of EAW FR129z running off a QSC PLX1804. I can already tell I want at least two more.

Curious what other users are setting their LP crossover at. Any HP? I got my HP at 30Hz
pdidy 4:29 AM - 27 February, 2015
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I am considering putting this is in a rack of it's own and running between my mixer and everything else, just for the remote EQ.

i have mine in a small 2U rack with my mic receiver. i26.photobucket.com

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curious if anyone has gotten this to work with an AirPort Express

I use a AirPort Express 3rd gen i26.photobucket.com that stays connected in the case with the dbx PA2. works perfectly. I also wire the AirPort Express for AirPlay into my mixer so I can remotely play from my phone or ipad as a backup.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:54 AM - 27 February, 2015
my Express only has the single Cat 5 port to connect to the modem, no network port.
pdidy 7:03 AM - 27 February, 2015
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my Express only has the single Cat 5 port to connect to the modem, no network port.

Oh ok....i just got mine last summer, did know there was a difference.
pdidy 7:17 AM - 27 February, 2015
"The JBL VRX918SP is a beast...when it's tuned right. It's really easy to make this thing sound like shit. 90Hz seems to be the sweet spot between one and a pair of EAW FR129z running off a QSC PLX1804. I can already tell I want at least two more."

They are clearly designed to only play low , I was surprised at how easy they sound bad at 120hz....lol

Yes 3 is definitely the sweet spot that I noticed.
dj_soo 8:27 AM - 27 February, 2015
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You can actually position yourself in front to tune your sound at a gig just like a proper soundman. So many times I had to run out onto the dancefloor to hear and go back to adjust. Just a pain in the ass and would generally take up so much time.


This is the main reason I want an PA2. I might need to sell my PA+ and grab one soon. The shitty part is adding the cost of the router to it.
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:24 AM - 27 February, 2015
i just got the PA2 on ebay for 300 shipped.
dj_soo 10:07 AM - 27 February, 2015
which means it'll probably be closer to $400 in canada :-\
dj_soo 10:09 AM - 27 February, 2015
I was wrong - it's $600 in Canada :(
SELECT 12:22 PM - 27 February, 2015
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You can actually position yourself in front to tune your sound at a gig just like a proper soundman. So many times I had to run out onto the dancefloor to hear and go back to adjust. Just a pain in the ass and would generally take up so much time.


This is the main reason I want an PA2. I might need to sell my PA+ and grab one soon. The shitty part is adding the cost of the router to it.


iPad +PA2+ router is very expensive for a wireless loudspeaker management setup, but if you are using the DBX at every gig I would switch in a heartbeat. Im going to put my PA+ on ebay soon.
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:02 PM - 27 February, 2015
routers are cheap compared to the benefits.


Soo, I got slightly mine used.
pdidy 8:25 PM - 27 February, 2015
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I was wrong - it's $600 in Canada :(

daaaammm, I paid $400 in new york
pdidy 8:26 PM - 27 February, 2015
With the mic
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:16 PM - 10 April, 2015
my second VRX918SP is on the way.

Now I'm looking for a pair of powered tops to pair with VRX subs, budget $2k or less.
I can't afford VRX tops.
I don't like the SRX or PRX tops, so JBL is out...

I think I'm steering toward some RCFs, maybe someone can school me on the output difference between the HD-12 and HD-32.

I'm pretty sure the ZXA5 is beyond what I would need with only two subs (and over budget)

BTW I know this off-topic for this thread but this is where I have gotten the most help and it keeps showing up at the top of my google search.

so...while I got you here...

Yamaha DXR8 vs QSC K8?
for use as monitors
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:18 PM - 10 April, 2015
BTW this system will be mostly used for House, Hip Hop and Reggae
JDforKing 5:29 PM - 10 April, 2015
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my second VRX918SP is on the way.

Now I'm looking for a pair of powered tops to pair with VRX subs, budget $2k or less.
I can't afford VRX tops.
I don't like the SRX or PRX tops, so JBL is out...

I think I'm steering toward some RCFs, maybe someone can school me on the output difference between the HD-12 and HD-32.

I'm pretty sure the ZXA5 is beyond what I would need with only two subs (and over budget)

BTW I know this off-topic for this thread but this is where I have gotten the most help and it keeps showing up at the top of my google search.

so...while I got you here...

Yamaha DXR8 vs QSC K8?
for use as monitors


I have a pair of yamaha dxr8s that i use weekly. Great speakers and less expensive than the qsc k8 but very similar output from both.
JDforKing 5:30 PM - 10 April, 2015
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my second VRX918SP is on the way.

Now I'm looking for a pair of powered tops to pair with VRX subs, budget $2k or less.
I can't afford VRX tops.
I don't like the SRX or PRX tops, so JBL is out...

I think I'm steering toward some RCFs, maybe someone can school me on the output difference between the HD-12 and HD-32.

I'm pretty sure the ZXA5 is beyond what I would need with only two subs (and over budget)

BTW I know this off-topic for this thread but this is where I have gotten the most help and it keeps showing up at the top of my google search.

so...while I got you here...

Yamaha DXR8 vs QSC K8?
for use as monitors


I have a pair of yamaha dxr8s that i use weekly. Great speakers and less expensive than the qsc k8 but very similar output from both.


www.ebay.com
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:32 PM - 10 April, 2015
Thanks! that is the kind of feedback I am looking for. I've had K8s and I loved them, they were actually my favorite speaker in the K line. I preferred a pair of those with one KW181 over a pair of the K10s with the same KW181.
pdidy 5:38 PM - 10 April, 2015
@Dub Cowboy, HD-32 and DXR8 would be my choice.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:51 PM - 10 April, 2015
okay, sold on the DXR8s.

still trying to grasp the difference between the HD-12 and HD-32

Seems like the 3" compression driver's advantage is for vocals which is not my priority. SPL is 1db higher on the HD-32, is that worth the extra cost?
DJ Guayo 7:11 PM - 10 April, 2015
Dub,

I will actually be purchasing the HD32a here soon. If i'm not mistaken the larger compression driver will not only give you better vocals but a longer throw. I will be pairing them with some 8004s
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:24 PM - 10 April, 2015
I'm not vocal heavy and most of my gigs are tight spaces.

I look forward to hearing your input.

Getting the second VRX and pair of DXR8s at the moment. I have some time to contemplate the tops.
Joee 7:32 PM - 10 April, 2015
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I'm not vocal heavy and most of my gigs are tight spaces.

I look forward to hearing your input.

Getting the second VRX and pair of DXR8s at the moment. I have some time to contemplate the tops.

if your looking for a compact top speaker look at these also
www.rcf.it
JDforKing 9:55 PM - 10 April, 2015
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I'm not vocal heavy and most of my gigs are tight spaces.

I look forward to hearing your input.

Getting the second VRX and pair of DXR8s at the moment. I have some time to contemplate the tops.

if your looking for a compact top speaker look at these also
www.rcf.it


I had a pair of those, definitely regret selling them. They are great speakers.
pdidy 9:08 PM - 16 April, 2015
I just got a very good deal on the jbl vrx918sp.
$1400ea if you buy 2. Don't know how long this deal will last.
Rebelguy 9:17 PM - 16 April, 2015
From where?
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:18 PM - 16 April, 2015
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I just got a very good deal on the jbl vrx918sp.
$1400ea if you buy 2. Don't know how long this deal will last.


so that makes 6?
Joee 9:33 PM - 16 April, 2015
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I just got a very good deal on the jbl vrx918sp.
$1400ea if you buy 2. Don't know how long this deal will last.


so that makes 6?

he's going to do the "sexy stack" 3 subs two tops per side


i'm going to say the when all is said and done he will own 8 vrx918sp
Joee 9:37 PM - 16 April, 2015
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I just got a very good deal on the jbl vrx918sp.
$1400ea if you buy 2. Don't know how long this deal will last.

great deal, i payed $1,350 for my last rcf art 905-as 15" ….i would still be using vrx's but i wanted nothing heavier than 70lbs
pdidy 9:58 PM - 16 April, 2015
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I just got a very good deal on the jbl vrx918sp.
$1400ea if you buy 2. Don't know how long this deal will last.


so that makes 6?

Maaaan i was really tempted, I want them but i really dont need them (YET) lol.
pdidy 10:05 PM - 16 April, 2015
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he's going to do the "sexy stack" 3 subs two tops per side


i'm going to say the when all is said and done he will own 8 vrx918sp

yep, that ("sexy stack" 3 subs two tops per side) is callin my name but im tryin not to listen......
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i'm going to say the when all is said and done he will own 8 vrx918sp

I dont have the room for 8 but 6 maybe....

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i would still be using vrx's but i wanted nothing heavier than 70lbs

I dont think it will be possible for me to ever get that light and get the same output any time soon...
pdidy 10:06 PM - 16 April, 2015
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From where?

pm info sent
Joee 10:22 PM - 16 April, 2015
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I dont think it will be possible for me to ever get that light and get the same output any time soon...

i wonder why they never made a powered version of this
www.jblpro.com
& this
www.electrovoice.com


if they made those speakers powered i think they would be my ideal system, altho i had a chance to here the fbt promaxx stuff and it sounds great for it size & weight
www.fbt.it

www.fbt.it

i just might get a set one day, the sub is 65lbs the top 38lbs
pdidy 10:49 PM - 16 April, 2015
Ive been wanting the ProMaxX 14A for a while now because its so lite but it became even uglier when gaffle said it...lol

a powered ev zxa3 would have been great.
DJ GaFFle 12:31 AM - 17 April, 2015
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Ive been wanting the ProMaxX 14A for a while now because its so lite but it became even uglier when gaffle said it...lol


I know... whenever someone mentions they have that Promaxx 14A, I just cringe a little. Yes, they supposedly sound absolutely great but I can't get pass that logo and those "aesthetics". To each his own...

I have done a few weddings recently and can imagine my bride and groom on the dance floor with that billboard, look-at-me (((( FBT )))) logo slapped on the face of the sub: www.fbt.it
Joee 12:33 AM - 17 April, 2015
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www.fbt.it

you would not believe the bass that thing puts out!!!!!!
Taipanic 6:54 PM - 17 April, 2015
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Ive been wanting the ProMaxX 14A for a while now because its so lite but it became even uglier when gaffle said it...lol
I know... whenever someone mentions they have that Promaxx 14A, I just cringe a little. Yes, they supposedly sound absolutely great but I can't get pass that logo and those "aesthetics". To each his own...

I have done a few weddings recently and can imagine my bride and groom on the dance floor with that billboard, look-at-me (((( FBT )))) logo slapped on the face of the sub: www.fbt.it


That sub would match up great with some Cerwin Vegas!
Arjun B 8:35 PM - 17 April, 2015
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From where?

pm info sent

Could you pm the link too?
I think I might give it a shot at such a low price in comparison to $2000 each on some retailers.
pdidy 10:53 PM - 17 April, 2015
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From where?

pm info sent

Could you pm the link too?
I think I might give it a shot at such a low price in comparison to $2000 each on some retailers.

sent
pdidy 10:55 PM - 17 April, 2015
Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?
Joee 11:04 PM - 17 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?

i often try to get people the hook up only 50% of them actually do, there was a guy out of philly that bought two @1550 i know if he's reading this he like damn… why couldn't pididy have told me this back than……lol


that is one hell of a deal thou the rcf art 905-as retails for $1,999 just like the vrx i recently found it for $1,300
djdisbjohn 12:09 AM - 18 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?



I emailed willy and he confirmed on 2+ boxes
Arjun B 12:10 AM - 18 April, 2015
I also emailed him just now. Going to wait for his response after the weekend.
pdidy 12:15 AM - 18 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?



I emailed willy and he confirmed on 2+ boxes

cool........are you considering upgrading to 4 jbl vrx918sp subs. ?
pdidy 12:23 AM - 18 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?

i often try to get people the hook up only 50% of them actually do, there was a guy out of philly that bought two @1550 i know if he's reading this he like damn… why couldn't pididy have told me this back than……lol


that is one hell of a deal thou the rcf art 905-as retails for $1,999 just like the vrx i recently found it for $1,300

what's crazy is most people are paying full price for these VRX and RCF speakers, they have no idea that there are options to Payless if you got the hook up or know how to haggle.
JDforKing 12:45 AM - 18 April, 2015
pdidy, how do you think 2 of these www.jblpro.com stack up against 1 vrx918sp?
pdidy 12:56 AM - 18 April, 2015
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pdidy, how do you think 2 of these www.jblpro.com stack up against 1 vrx918sp?

The vrx918sp will noticeably outperform the prx718 1 to 1 but 2 to 1 the prx718 should win.
JDforKing 1:01 AM - 18 April, 2015
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pdidy, how do you think 2 of these www.jblpro.com stack up against 1 vrx918sp?

The vrx918sp will noticeably outperform the prx718 1 to 1 but 2 to 1 the prx718 should win.


I ask because I'm not as good with understanding spec sheets the way you do. I see they both have the same 18inch driver, but i know there is probably a big difference in the amps used. I've had a pair of the prx718s for years and rarely use them. I was looking at selling them and getting a vrx918sp for the price you mentioned but what people are willing to pay for the prx718s makes more sense for me to keep them.
pdidy 1:13 AM - 18 April, 2015
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pdidy, how do you think 2 of these www.jblpro.com stack up against 1 vrx918sp?

The vrx918sp will noticeably outperform the prx718 1 to 1 but 2 to 1 the prx718 should win.


I ask because I'm not as good with understanding spec sheets the way you do. I see they both have the same 18inch driver, but i know there is probably a big difference in the amps used. I've had a pair of the prx718s for years and rarely use them. I was looking at selling them and getting a vrx918sp for the price you mentioned but what people are willing to pay for the prx718s makes more sense for me to keep them.


Yes they do use the same exact woofer but the big difference is in the amp quality, processing quality and the speaker cabinet.....that's where the big differences are.

Now in your particular case I would not bother to upgrade because you barely use them and you likely will not get much for the PRx to put towards the Vrx so it is an unnecessary added cost in my opinion.
JDforKing 1:24 AM - 18 April, 2015
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pdidy, how do you think 2 of these www.jblpro.com stack up against 1 vrx918sp?

The vrx918sp will noticeably outperform the prx718 1 to 1 but 2 to 1 the prx718 should win.


I ask because I'm not as good with understanding spec sheets the way you do. I see they both have the same 18inch driver, but i know there is probably a big difference in the amps used. I've had a pair of the prx718s for years and rarely use them. I was looking at selling them and getting a vrx918sp for the price you mentioned but what people are willing to pay for the prx718s makes more sense for me to keep them.


Yes they do use the same exact woofer but the big difference is in the amp quality, processing quality and the speaker cabinet.....that's where the big differences are.

Now in your particular case I would not bother to upgrade because you barely use them and you likely will not get much for the PRx to put towards the Vrx so it is an unnecessary added cost in my opinion.


Agreed, thanks for the info.
djdisbjohn 3:16 PM - 19 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?



I emailed willy and he confirmed on 2+ boxes

cool........are you considering upgrading to 4 jbl vrx918sp subs. ?


I've got 3 and a buddy has 3. We will most likely go in for 2 so we will have total of 8
pdidy 5:33 AM - 20 April, 2015
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Has anyone that requested the vrx918sp $1400 info called to verify the price ?



I emailed willy and he confirmed on 2+ boxes

cool........are you considering upgrading to 4 jbl vrx918sp subs. ?


I've got 3 and a buddy has 3. We will most likely go in for 2 so we will have total of 8

Dam, I wish I had a dj partner I could combine systems with........
DJ Guayo 2:48 PM - 27 April, 2015
Hey fam,

I recently purchased a pair of RCF HD32 and pair of RCF 8004 and wanted to give my review. I'm coming from a pair of QSC KW 152. I'm only familiar with setups with tops and not subs.

I first tested the system with one top and one bottom (I had the NEMA 15-20 plugs) in the garage. I had my brother in law and a friend and they were amazed at the CLEAN and LOUD output. Highs, mids, and bass. I ran everything at 12 o'clock and used the subs built in crossover. The neighbor came in less than 5 minutes and complained about the bass. I live on a half acre lot and they neighbor is about 60 to 70 yards across from my garage. I also scarred the crap out of my baby girl (1 month) in the house.

I had a prom on Friday and I finally tested both tops and bottoms running at the same time. I was able to couple the subs and pole mounted the tops (room setup didnt allow different configuration). This setup brought club level to 250-300 kids. Bass hit hard all night. i had plenty of headroom available it I wanted to go louder.

I was only able to get a proper sound level (room full of kids) a handful of times. However, the staff and chaperons did complain about the bass and how it 'shook' them.

I didn't get a chance to take a picture of the setup.

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

I will have a video and setup picture soon.
Joee 2:58 PM - 27 April, 2015

Nice!!!!!!


this system had been joee approved ;)
pdidy 6:16 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Nice!!!!!!


this system had been joee approved ;)

+1 and pdidy approved :)

And im pretty sure those rcf 8004's will out preform the vrx subs......
Joee 6:30 PM - 27 April, 2015
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+1 and pdidy approved :)

And im pretty sure those rcf 8004's will out preform the vrx subs......

i wonder how these will pair with the sub
www.rcf.it
DJ Guayo 6:37 PM - 27 April, 2015
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+1 and pdidy approved :)

And im pretty sure those rcf 8004's will out preform the vrx subs......

i wonder how these will pair with the sub
www.rcf.it


quite playing Joee... Those NX L24-A came to mind as my next upgrade. Gonna be a while before that. I was just happy the wife gave me a go ahead on revamping my sound...

And to all my bass heads out there... 'we will forever chase the red dragon'... lulz
Joee 6:43 PM - 27 April, 2015
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quite playing Joee... Those NX L24-A came to mind as my next upgrade

you just got the hd32's and your already thinking about getting nix's


o yea you are officially on the way to being a gear whore…..lol


i have thought about getting rid of my art 905-as subs, thinking that one sub 8004 would be easier to carry than two 905's but i just don't want that heavy of a box, i'm sure the 8004 will outperform two 905's
pdidy 6:46 PM - 27 April, 2015
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+1 and pdidy approved :)

And im pretty sure those rcf 8004's will out preform the vrx subs......

i wonder how these will pair with the sub
www.rcf.it

You know damn well these are tops that I (want) would use for these subs, stop teasing me....lol
i26.photobucket.com

i26.photobucket.com

but the RCF HD32 is perfect for most smaller events.
Joee 6:49 PM - 27 April, 2015
s26.photobucket.com

that one is straight sexy, the speakers not the dude……lol


that is one killer system that is very portable & doesn't take up too much space
DJ Guayo 6:51 PM - 27 April, 2015
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quite playing Joee... Those NX L24-A came to mind as my next upgrade

you just got the hd32's and your already thinking about getting nix's


o yea you are officially on the way to being a gear whore…..lol


i have thought about getting rid of my art 905-as subs, thinking that one sub 8004 would be easier to carry than two 905's but i just don't want that heavy of a box, i'm sure the 8004 will outperform two 905's


Do you have to lift the sub? Unless you have to carry upstairs I found that it was really easy to move the sub around with the casters. (almost too easy)
Joee 6:52 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Do you have to lift the sub

in and out of the car, and on occasion to a second floor hall
DJ Guayo 6:57 PM - 27 April, 2015
Yeah.. that would be a pain in the ass... i remember rolling with a b52 matrix 2000 years ago and having to lug around that beast ass sub... weighed 160 lbs....

We have a service truck with a drop lift so its really a non issue. Unless we have to go upstairs... in that case... They aren't getting a sub... lol...
pdidy 6:57 PM - 27 April, 2015
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quite playing Joee... Those NX L24-A came to mind as my next upgrade

you just got the hd32's and your already thinking about getting nix's


o yea you are officially on the way to being a gear whore…..lol


i have thought about getting rid of my art 905-as subs, thinking that one sub 8004 would be easier to carry than two 905's but i just don't want that heavy of a box, i'm sure the 8004 will outperform two 905's


Do you have to lift the sub? Unless you have to carry upstairs I found that it was really easy to move the sub around with the casters. (almost too easy)

I have a few steps, four to be exact which is another reason why I have not upgraded to additional subs. If I had a garage and no steps my System would easily be twice it's size.
desmorider 6:57 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Hey fam,

I recently purchased a pair of RCF HD32 and pair of RCF 8004 and wanted to give my review. I'm coming from a pair of QSC KW 152. I'm only familiar with setups with tops and not subs.

I first tested the system with one top and one bottom (I had the NEMA 15-20 plugs) in the garage. I had my brother in law and a friend and they were amazed at the CLEAN and LOUD output. Highs, mids, and bass. I ran everything at 12 o'clock and used the subs built in crossover. The neighbor came in less than 5 minutes and complained about the bass. I live on a half acre lot and they neighbor is about 60 to 70 yards across from my garage. I also scarred the crap out of my baby girl (1 month) in the house.

I had a prom on Friday and I finally tested both tops and bottoms running at the same time. I was able to couple the subs and pole mounted the tops (room setup didnt allow different configuration). This setup brought club level to 250-300 kids. Bass hit hard all night. i had plenty of headroom available it I wanted to go louder.

I was only able to get a proper sound level (room full of kids) a handful of times. However, the staff and chaperons did complain about the bass and how it 'shook' them.

I didn't get a chance to take a picture of the setup.

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

s1004.photobucket.com

I will have a video and setup picture soon.





Dope on a Rope..............
A pair of 8004 or pair of 918 are in my future to go with the 745's. Would like to hear 918 and 8004 side by side to compare.
pdidy 6:59 PM - 27 April, 2015
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s26.photobucket.com

that one is straight sexy,

that is one killer system that is very portable & doesn't take up too much space

That's why I want it. Not to mention it's very powerful and will sound great.
Joee 7:02 PM - 27 April, 2015
@DJ Guiayo did you get the bags? if not get them keep those speaker looking new, i like the fact that you don't have to take the speaker out the bag to use it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it



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I have a few steps, four to be exact which is another reason why I have not upgraded to additional subs. If I had a garage and no steps my System would easily be twice it's size.

for a mobile dj i think that there isn't a better system right now than the JBL VRX918sp 85lbs/RCF HD32-A 43lbs combo

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Dope on a Rope..............
A pair of 8004 or pair of 918 are in my future to go with the 745's. Would like to hear 918 and 8004 side by side to compare.

918? you mean sub 718-as? i would stick to the 8004
pdidy 7:03 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Dope on a Rope..............
A pair of 8004 or pair of 918 are in my future to go with the 745's. Would like to hear 918 and 8004 side by side to compare.

the 8004 is the clear winner unless price, size and weight is an issue ?
Joee 7:05 PM - 27 April, 2015
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s26.photobucket.com

that one is straight sexy,

that is one killer system that is very portable & doesn't take up too much space

That's why I want it. Not to mention it's very powerful and will sound great.

you know the nx tops are cheaper than the vrx tops? they list for $1,800 at kpo witch means $1,300 to $1,400 out the door
pdidy 7:10 PM - 27 April, 2015
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s26.photobucket.com

that one is straight sexy,

that is one killer system that is very portable & doesn't take up too much space

That's why I want it. Not to mention it's very powerful and will sound great.

you know the nx tops are cheaper than the vrx tops? they list for $1,800 at kpo witch means $1,300 to $1,400 out the door

I didn't know........:)

the last I checked I think they were more than the VRX
Joee 7:17 PM - 27 April, 2015
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I didn't know........:)

the last I checked I think they were more than the VRX

www.kpodj.com

register for a account & you will see it @ $1,830 & the sub $2,300 witch also can be had much cheaper……but i'm not sure if it will sell as low as the vrx sub


so one system has a cheaper top & the other has a cheaper sub……go figure
DJ Guayo 7:20 PM - 27 April, 2015
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@DJ Guiayo did you get the bags? if not get them keep those speaker looking new, i like the fact that you don't have to take the speaker out the bag to use it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it

i bought some off of ebay that are made of moving blanket material. I wasn't too impressed but may look to add padding underneath for grill.

Do these have padding?

On another note... its mad annoying with guest thinking your sub a table top and putting drinks on them...
Joee 7:23 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Do these have padding?

yes
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i bought some off of ebay that are made of moving blanket material

i'm not a fan of the moving blanket covers, the rcf ones completely cover the speaker & are water proof
desmorider 7:28 PM - 27 April, 2015
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@DJ Guiayo did you get the bags? if not get them keep those speaker looking new, i like the fact that you don't have to take the speaker out the bag to use it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it



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I have a few steps, four to be exact which is another reason why I have not upgraded to additional subs. If I had a garage and no steps my System would easily be twice it's size.

for a mobile dj i think that there isn't a better system right now than the JBL VRX918sp 85lbs/RCF HD32-A 43lbs combo

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Dope on a Rope..............
A pair of 8004 or pair of 918 are in my future to go with the 745's. Would like to hear 918 and 8004 side by side to compare.

918? you mean sub 718-as? i would stick to the 8004



Nah Bee,
Talking bout vrx918sp vs 8004
desmorider 7:31 PM - 27 April, 2015
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@DJ Guiayo did you get the bags? if not get them keep those speaker looking new, i like the fact that you don't have to take the speaker out the bag to use it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it

i bought some off of ebay that are made of moving blanket material. I wasn't too impressed but may look to add padding underneath for grill.

Do these have padding?

On another note... its mad annoying with guest thinking your sub a table top and putting drinks on them...


Get the rcf bags. Nice protection, and don't. Have to remove the cover to play a gig.
SG SOUNDS 7:34 PM - 27 April, 2015
How do the ref 8004 compare to the jbl vrx and the yorkies?
DJ Guayo 7:35 PM - 27 April, 2015
Can you still wheel the sub around with the cover?
DJ Guayo 7:40 PM - 27 April, 2015
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How do the ref 8004 compare to the jbl vrx and the yorkies?


No one around me has those to compare... I may be able to compare to some QSC subs...

These RCFs bring thunder all up in your personal space.
Joee 7:52 PM - 27 April, 2015
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Nah Bee,
Talking bout vrx918sp vs 8004

ok…..if weight is not a issue get the 8004
Joee 7:59 PM - 27 April, 2015
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These RCFs bring thunder all up in your personal space.

this is awesome………lol

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Can you still wheel the sub around with the cover?

as long as the sub cover is made the same way as the tops witch my sub covers are, i don'd see why you can't screw the wheels on over the cover ,peep the 905-as cover

rcf.media-display.it

rcf.media-display.it
DJ Guayo 10:36 PM - 27 April, 2015
Gonna see if I can add extra padding for the grill. If not I will opt for the RCF covers
DJ GaFFle 12:08 AM - 28 April, 2015

Whoa!

So yeah, that ATA case"looks" great but that case + two speakers has got to be a monster to transport (wheels or no wheels). Just give me the speakers and some individual speaker covers.

I wonder how the NLX24 compares to something like the ETX35P or SRX835P.
SG SOUNDS 12:43 AM - 28 April, 2015
These RCFs bring thunder all up in your personal space.

so does the yorkies
Joee 12:53 AM - 28 April, 2015
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Whoa!

So yeah, that ATA case"looks" great but that case + two speakers has got to be a monster to transport (wheels or no wheels)

& the TH118 isn't? that didn't stop you from getting four?……..lol
pdidy 1:04 AM - 28 April, 2015
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Whoa!

So yeah, that ATA case"looks" great but that case + two speakers has got to be a monster to transport (wheels or no wheels)

& the TH118 isn't? that didn't stop you from getting four?……..lol

EXACTLY,

I was confused theunleashedreviewboard.files.wordpress.com, since when gaffle cared about a lil weight, all his speakers are heavy as hell....lol
Joee 1:15 AM - 28 April, 2015
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all his speakers are heavy as hell....lol

nah nah…….his little rcf art 408's are only 26lbs…….lol
www.rcf.it
DJ GaFFle 1:48 AM - 28 April, 2015
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Whoa!

So yeah, that ATA case"looks" great but that case + two speakers has got to be a monster to transport (wheels or no wheels)

& the TH118 isn't? that didn't stop you from getting four?……..lol

EXACTLY,

I was confused theunleashedreviewboard.files.wordpress.com, since when gaffle cared about a lil weight, all his speakers are heavy as hell....lol

Well... the Danleys are 160 lbs each but have great wheels and they maneuver very easily. Plus, their output justifies any and all weight differences. :-)

As far as those NXL24A's... I'd much rather carry two 60 lbs. speakers, each with 7 lb. ballistic nylon covers as opposed to 120 lbs. worth of speakers in a 80 lb. ATA travel case.
pdidy 3:12 AM - 28 April, 2015
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As far as those NXL24A's... I'd much rather carry two 60 lbs. speakers, each with 7 lb. ballistic nylon covers as opposed to 120 lbs. worth of speakers in a 80 lb. ATA travel case.

Alot of you guys with these heavy sets are not doing much lifting anyway so weight is a non factor, you just role in and out of your home or garage. Plus cases are so much sexier and professional looking.

Because of my weight limitations I was recently forced to do as you said and purchase 4 bags www.bhphotovideo.com for my VRX932lap tops instead of the heavy but sexier cases. www.bhphotovideo.com
DJ Guayo 2:23 PM - 28 April, 2015
I'm gonna shooting a short video this afternoon. Any particular songs you guys want me to run through the system?
Joee 2:26 PM - 28 April, 2015
try one of pdidys favorite test track ….usher daddy's home….. he said

"he didn't realize that song could sound that way till he heard it on his vrx918sp's"
pdidy 5:18 PM - 28 April, 2015
It won't matter it's all going to sound distorted anyway once the base hits....lol
pdidy 5:19 PM - 28 April, 2015
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try one of pdidys favorite test track ….usher daddy's home….. he said

"he didn't realize that song could sound that way till he heard it on his vrx918sp's"

How did you remember that.....lol
Joee 5:28 PM - 28 April, 2015
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How did you remember that.....lol

lol…..cause i'm a speaker freak


speaking of i just got a pair of yamaha dxr12's man for $550 these things are the new best speaker in there price point, they sound like they should cost twice as much
JDforKing 5:30 PM - 28 April, 2015
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How did you remember that.....lol

lol…..cause i'm a speaker freak


speaking of i just got a pair of yamaha dxr12's man for $550 these things are the new best speaker in there price point, they sound like they should cost twice as much


You got them for $550 for the pair?
Joee 5:30 PM - 28 April, 2015
lol…..i wish each
Joee 5:32 PM - 28 April, 2015
I've heard them before & always thought there were good speakers, but now having them here …..there great speakers
pdidy 5:35 PM - 28 April, 2015
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How did you remember that.....lol

lol…..cause i'm a speaker freak


speaking of i just got a pair of yamaha dxr12's man for $550 these things are the new best speaker in there price point, they sound like they should cost twice as much


You got them for $550 for the pair?

I was wondering the same damn thing....lol

At that price I might just consider trading in my QSC K-12, and I love my K-12......hmmm
Joee 5:39 PM - 28 April, 2015
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At that price I might just consider trading in my QSC K-12, and I love my K-12......hmmm

do it you won't be sorry, they shit on the qsc
Joee 5:40 PM - 28 April, 2015
i'm telling you man $3,400 gets any dj looking for a sound system a killer setup

$3,400= two yamaha dxr12 & two qsc kw181
JDforKing 5:40 PM - 28 April, 2015
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I've heard them before & always thought there were good speakers, but now having them here …..there great speakers



I have a pair of the 8s and the 12s and for the price i don't see anything beating them. I've owned many powered speakers and stop my whorish ways once i found the yamaha dxrs. lol
JDforKing 5:45 PM - 28 April, 2015
Joe did you get a chance to listen to the yamaha dbr? They say they sound similar to the dxr with a little less power and are less expensive.
Joee 5:57 PM - 28 April, 2015
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I have a pair of the 8s and the 12s and for the price i don't see anything beating them. I've owned many powered speakers and stop my whorish ways once i found the yamaha dxrs. lol

i do like the highs better on the ev & rcf they have a warmer (sound i little sweater to me) but theres nothing wrong with the dxr

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Joe did you get a chance to listen to the yamaha dbr? They say they sound similar to the dxr with a little less power and are less expensive.

no but have heard all the reviews
JDforKing 6:12 PM - 28 April, 2015
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I have a pair of the 8s and the 12s and for the price i don't see anything beating them. I've owned many powered speakers and stop my whorish ways once i found the yamaha dxrs. lol

i do like the highs better on the ev & rcf they have a warmer (sound i little sweater to me) but theres nothing wrong with the dxr

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Joe did you get a chance to listen to the yamaha dbr? They say they sound similar to the dxr with a little less power and are less expensive.

no but have heard all the reviews


I've seen some reviews. Al poulin (who loves yamaha the way you love rcf) did a review on the dbr12. He he also has the yamaha dxr8 and the yamaha dxr15 and said the dbr and dxr sound similar.

I have a pair of ev elx115p and like the highs of the yamaha better.
Djc Jimenez 12:07 AM - 29 April, 2015
Would you say 1 DXR12 is as loud as 2 DBR12?
slimmjimm 1:50 AM - 29 April, 2015
Since all of you speaker guys are in here I'd like to officially derail the conversation. I have a last minute gig this weekend in a room I've never been in before. I'll be using 2 York subs and 2 k-subs. Suggestions please on coupling them.
Joee 1:56 AM - 29 April, 2015
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coupling them.

yes
pdidy 2:03 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Since all of you speaker guys are in here I'd like to officially derail the conversation. I have a last minute gig this weekend in a room I've never been in before. I'll be using 2 York subs and 2 k-subs. Suggestions please on coupling them.

you neglected to mention the model of the many york subs and how many people can fit in this room.
DJ Guayo 2:24 AM - 29 April, 2015
Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Joee 2:35 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com

nice…….but ay that mixer is in a dangerous place with all that bass
DJ Guayo 2:41 AM - 29 April, 2015
Yeah. It was quick and dirty. I only played a few songs.
JDforKing 2:43 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com


sounds incredible, ( for a video). What type of event did you use this set up for? How many people?
Joee 2:44 AM - 29 April, 2015
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sounds incredible, ( for a video). What type of event did you use this set up for? How many people?

awwwwww time to get rid of them dxr's for some rcf's…….lol
slimmjimm 2:47 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Since all of you speaker guys are in here I'd like to officially derail the conversation. I have a last minute gig this weekend in a room I've never been in before. I'll be using 2 York subs and 2 k-subs. Suggestions please on coupling them.

you neglected to mention the model of the many york subs and how many people can fit in this room.

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Since all of you speaker guys are in here I'd like to officially derail the conversation. I have a last minute gig this weekend in a room I've never been in before. I'll be using 2 York subs and 2 k-subs. Suggestions please on coupling them.

you neglected to mention the model of the many york subs and how many people can fit in this room.



Your right, posting from my phone is a bitch. LS801
JDforKing 2:49 AM - 29 April, 2015
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sounds incredible, ( for a video). What type of event did you use this set up for? How many people?

awwwwww time to get rid of them dxr's for some rcf's…….lol



I had the rcf hd10s when they first came out. I liked them but couldn't use them as a stand alone and i don't always use a sub. I've also had the rcf art 310a and 312a. Love the sound but the look was dated. I've sort of went through a gear whore phase, but i would always sell speakers off the older speaker for the newer toy. I've settled with 2 yamaha dxr8s 2 yamaha dxs12s 2 yamaha dxr12s and 2 jbl prx718s. I also have a pair of ev elx115p that i'm about to get rid of because i rarely use them.
pdidy 3:07 AM - 29 April, 2015
@ slimmjimm ,

any room that needs the full output of 2 yorkville ls801p's is helped in no way by adding 2 qsc k-subs. It would be the equivalent of "feeding a whale a tic tac".

My guess is you wont even know if the ksub's are really ON or OFF.

In fact it may have a negative effect and introduce frequency cancellation known to occur when Mismatching subs.

I don't foresee any (noticeable) good coming of this.
Joee 3:14 AM - 29 April, 2015
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any room that needs the full output of 2 yorkville ls801p's is helped in no way by adding 2 qsc k-subs. It would be the equivalent of "feeding a whale a tic tac"

quote of the day……word!!!!!!
DJ Guayo 3:16 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com


sounds incredible, ( for a video). What type of event did you use this set up for? How many people?


I used these for a prom on Friday. 250-300 kids. There's a pic in an earlier post.
Joee 3:21 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com


sounds incredible, ( for a video). What type of event did you use this set up for? How many people?


I used these for a prom on Friday. 250-300 kids. There's a pic in an earlier post.

man listen DJ Guiayo


i'm hatin on you, i'm the official serato forum RCF guy & you have a better rcf system than me…..word……..lol
imageshack.us


but ay congrats that sh!t is beast
pdidy 3:42 AM - 29 April, 2015
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Here is a quick vid. Didn't get a chance to test them out long though.

Watchwww.youtube.com

nice…….but ay that mixer is in a dangerous place with all that bass

even more dangerous is the laptops harddrive getting wiped or damaged be the subs magnet.

DJ Guiayo , is that an iphone or ipad your recording with ?
DJ Guayo 11:28 AM - 29 April, 2015
I used an iPhone 6. Good point on the magnet. Mixer and laptop are fine.
slimmjimm 11:30 AM - 29 April, 2015
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@ slimmjimm ,

any room that needs the full output of 2 yorkville ls801p's is helped in no way by adding 2 qsc k-subs. It would be the equivalent of "feeding a whale a tic tac".

My guess is you wont even know if the ksub's are really ON or OFF.

In fact it may have a negative effect and introduce frequency cancellation known to occur when Mismatching subs.

I don't foresee any (noticeable) good coming of this.


Gotcha. Less for me to bring/pack.
pdidy 1:45 AM - 12 May, 2015
Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.
Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com
s26.photobucket.com
Joee 1:52 AM - 12 May, 2015
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Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.
Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com
s26.photobucket.com

nice, i surprised the led cop light didn't fall…….lol
Tenor 2:01 AM - 12 May, 2015
Small world pdidy. Didn't they have something at Fort Greene park that same day?
pdidy 3:09 AM - 12 May, 2015
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Small world pdidy. Didn't they have something at Fort Greene park that same day?

From what I hear it was a reggae event at fort Greene. I doubt anyone would have shown up for this event if fort greene had a House music event.....lol This was Sat 5/9/15 btw.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:54 AM - 12 May, 2015
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Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.

Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com

s26.photobucket.com


YO! What you think you doing? LINCOLN PARK???

Man, lemmie find out you UP on Jersey House....

Nice....
DJ GaFFle 1:53 PM - 12 May, 2015
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Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.
Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com
s26.photobucket.com

nice, i surprised the led cop light didn't fall…….lol

Is that your power distro and generator?
pdidy 5:06 PM - 12 May, 2015
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Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.
Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com
s26.photobucket.com

nice, i surprised the led cop light didn't fall…….lol

Is that your power distro and generator?

No it was provided for by the same guy that provided the generator.
pdidy 5:07 PM - 12 May, 2015
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Ahhh, PA Porn....nice.

thanks
pdidy 5:15 PM - 12 May, 2015
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YO! What you think you doing? LINCOLN PARK???

Man, lemmie find out you UP on Jersey House....

Nice....

Brooklyn does have a serious house following but they're generally 40 and above......
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
pdidy 5:18 PM - 12 May, 2015
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:53 PM - 12 May, 2015
What are those Behringer speakers doing next that fine JBL VRX system?

;-)

seriously though, are they any good?
pdidy 7:47 PM - 12 May, 2015
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What are those Behringer speakers doing next that fine JBL VRX system?

;-)

seriously though, are they any good?

i was waiting for someone to ask about the elephant in the room. Lol

While IT does seem like blasphemy to allow behringer in the setup and it personally annoyed me and my pride......but the monitors were the property of the guest dj which means less for me to carry for a FREE event. As much as I dislike them it worked fine as monitors ONLY.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 12 May, 2015
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i was waiting for someone to ask about the elephant in the room. Lol


I was HOPING there was a good reason for that...lol.

Ok, so that distro isn't yours...Gotcha...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 12 May, 2015
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YO! What you think you doing? LINCOLN PARK???

Man, lemmie find out you UP on Jersey House....

Nice....

Brooklyn does have a serious house following but they're generally 40 and above......
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com


Oh well yeah, they HAVE to be over 40...lol...
djattila 3:19 PM - 13 May, 2015
That red line for the input on the drive rack tho
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:50 PM - 13 May, 2015
One thing I noted about those vids was how far the crowd was spread out and how far back they were dancing. Must have been clean and clear even coverage.

plus good house music
Papa Midnight 6:01 PM - 13 May, 2015
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Pics and vid of this weekends party in the park downtown Brooklyn.
Strictly House music for the mature "househead".

Watchwww.youtube.com
s26.photobucket.com


This dude brought out the K-Mart Blue Light Special

i26.photobucket.com

That Power Switch game.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:09 PM - 13 May, 2015
Nice distro!

How many VRXs did you have when that came into play.

i.e. how many VRX before I need one.
pdidy 9:18 PM - 13 May, 2015
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Nice distro!

How many VRXs did you have when that came into play.

i.e. how many VRX before I need one.

When 2 15amp circuits is no longer enough because your system requires a dedicated 30, 50 amps (or more) too run the entire system. So 4 or more Vrx is when a distro becomes very convenient in order to manage all of your power in one central location as opposed to a spiderweb of multiple long extension cords with no individual breaker protection.

If you work in a lot of venues with shitty power and the breakers always trips or run generators on large systems this is a good video...... Watchwww.youtube.com
Btw, the gen an distro is not mine.
pdidy 9:52 PM - 13 May, 2015
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That red line for the input on the drive rack tho

Yep...Long story short, house djs like to turn up the system on acapella intros and I recall I had to turn him down after that clip.....lol

I had the gains on the board (line mixer) that fed the Driverack up very loud because all dj's were using controllers and I wanted to ensure they had so much headroom that they would never needed to peak or clip the controllers in order to push the system too max output.
pdidy 10:31 PM - 13 May, 2015
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One thing I noted about those vids was how far the crowd was spread out and how far back they were dancing. Must have been clean and clear even coverage.


As per my new cheap Digital Sound Level Meter we were playing at 105db @ 100ft and clean.
DJ GaFFle 12:05 AM - 14 May, 2015
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That red line for the input on the drive rack tho

Yep...Long story short, house djs like to turn up the system on acapella intros and I recall I had to turn him down after that clip.....lol

I had the gains on the board (line mixer) that fed the Driverack up very loud because all dj's were using controllers and I wanted to ensure they had so much headroom that they would never needed to peak or clip the controllers in order to push the system too max output.

Do like the pro-sound guys do and turn their monitors up to ear-bleed levels. They'll think they're jammin' while your system remains in the safe zone.
pdidy 12:21 AM - 14 May, 2015
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That red line for the input on the drive rack tho

Yep...Long story short, house djs like to turn up the system on acapella intros and I recall I had to turn him down after that clip.....lol

I had the gains on the board (line mixer) that fed the Driverack up very loud because all dj's were using controllers and I wanted to ensure they had so much headroom that they would never needed to peak or clip the controllers in order to push the system too max output.

Do like the pro-sound guys do and turn their monitors up to ear-bleed levels. They'll think they're jammin' while your system remains in the safe zone.

Yep that's what I normally do blazing loud right in their face controlled from my board so they cannot turn it down (evil laugh )but unfortunately we were using Behringer monitors so that was not an option
djattila 5:43 PM - 14 May, 2015
All controllers out there have horrible headroom. 0 to a hundred real quick! I really have not found and ran into a controller that sounded good even at safe output signal.
Papa Midnight 12:06 AM - 15 May, 2015
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All controllers out there have horrible headroom. 0 to a hundred real quick! I really have not found and ran into a controller that sounded good even at safe output signal.

So when's the last time you used a Numark NS7, or set of V7's?
pdidy 11:05 AM - 20 June, 2015
Tenor 11:21 PM - 20 June, 2015
How do you like that setup, pdidy? How's the sound?
pdidy 9:35 PM - 22 June, 2015
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How do you like that setup, pdidy? How's the sound?

Well I swore I would never get a ddjsx because it doesn't have a platter tension adjust knob but trying to get used to it but it sounds great.

The k12s were fine but my ears are becoming more accustomed to higher quality sound like the zxa5 or JBL vrx932lap.

The QSC 181 subs were great , to be honest I didn't even miss my VRX subs which are quite a bit better than the QSC kW 181.
Joee 10:36 PM - 22 June, 2015
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The k12s were fine but my ears are becoming more accustomed to higher quality sound like the zxa5 or JBL vrx932lap.

a pair of dxr12 will fix that
pdidy 11:24 PM - 23 June, 2015
yEA, i know it looks messy as all hell but i was too lazy to attach the skirt to cover the milk crates and wires......

Fathers Day, Glenwood Houses, Brooklyn NYC....
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:54 PM - 23 June, 2015
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yEA, i know it looks messy as all hell but i was too lazy to attach the skirt to cover the milk crates and wires......

Fathers Day, Glenwood Houses, Brooklyn NYC....
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


I'm totally not understanding how NY let's y'all set up like that outside..

Jasey Jase, Dice, and a few other cats were rockin' somewhere out there on Father's Day as well...

Can NJ get some Jam In The Park love?
pdidy 12:04 AM - 24 June, 2015
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yEA, i know it looks messy as all hell but i was too lazy to attach the skirt to cover the milk crates and wires......

Fathers Day, Glenwood Houses, Brooklyn NYC....
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


I'm totally not understanding how NY let's y'all set up like that outside..

Jasey Jase, Dice, and a few other cats were rockin' somewhere out there on Father's Day as well...

Can NJ get some Jam In The Park love?

yea i know Jasey Jase and i saw his vid, you sure you cant do it in jersey all you should need is a few simple permits ?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:35 AM - 24 June, 2015
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yEA, i know it looks messy as all hell but i was too lazy to attach the skirt to cover the milk crates and wires......

Fathers Day, Glenwood Houses, Brooklyn NYC....
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com


I'm totally not understanding how NY let's y'all set up like that outside..

Jasey Jase, Dice, and a few other cats were rockin' somewhere out there on Father's Day as well...

Can NJ get some Jam In The Park love?

yea i know Jasey Jase and i saw his vid, you sure you cant do it in jersey all you should need is a few simple permits ?


I really need to research it....

It's actually in the plans....
DJ Dynamight 3:00 AM - 24 June, 2015


what's below the Driverack? A quad mic receiver?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:09 AM - 24 June, 2015
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what's below the Driverack? A quad mic receiver?


And what outboard mixer is that?
DJ Dynamight 4:27 AM - 24 June, 2015
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what's below the Driverack? A quad mic receiver?


And what outboard mixer is that?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's a Mackie DFX-12 www.mackie.com
pdidy 4:53 AM - 24 June, 2015
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what's below the Driverack? A quad mic receiver?


And what outboard mixer is that?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's a Mackie DFX-12 www.mackie.com

Yep the Mackie dfx12, can't believe it still works after treating it like shit for so many years.

And my cheap GTD AUDIO 4 x mic & receiver I've been bragging about for a year now.
www.amazon.com
Joee 10:56 AM - 24 June, 2015
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And my cheap GTD AUDIO 4 x mic & receiver I've been bragging about for a year now.
www.amazon.com

that mic has been working great, thank you sir ;-)
JDforKing 11:07 AM - 24 June, 2015
I've also been using this one for the last couple of months and i can say GTD Audio wireless microphone systems are diamonds in the rough.

www.amazon.com

I also use this set for wedding ceremonies along with the lapel microphones

www.amazon.com
DJ Dynamight 2:45 PM - 24 June, 2015
Pretty dope! I haven't heard of GTD Audio before. That's a 1500% savings compared to www.amazon.com and that's just for the receiver, no mics included!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:57 PM - 24 June, 2015
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what's below the Driverack? A quad mic receiver?


And what outboard mixer is that?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's a Mackie DFX-12 www.mackie.com

Yep the Mackie dfx12, can't believe it still works after treating it like shit for so many years.

And my cheap GTD AUDIO 4 x mic & receiver I've been bragging about for a year now.
www.amazon.com


Wow @ Mackie, but hey, whatever works!
pdidy 3:17 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Wow @ Mackie, but hey, whatever works!

Most Mackie hate is directed at it speakers while it's line mixers get a pass.
pdidy 3:55 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Pretty dope! I haven't heard of GTD Audio before. That's a 1500% savings compared to www.amazon.com and that's just for the receiver, no mics included!

My mic replacement is only $38 ea if any one breaks or steals it. www.amazon.com

im a long time (20+ yrs) shure sm58 wired mic user and my $38 gtd wireless mic gives me a very easy similar performance for basic DJ work. I've never been a fan of any cheap gear but this here is the exception to the rule.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 4:11 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Pretty dope! I haven't heard of GTD Audio before. That's a 1500% savings compared to www.amazon.com and that's just for the receiver, no mics included!

My mic replacement is only $38 ea if any one breaks or steals it. www.amazon.com

im a long time (20+ yrs) shure sm58 wired mic user and my $38 gtd wireless mic gives me a very easy similar performance for basic DJ work. I've never been a fan of any cheap gear but this here is the exception to the rule.


Cool these will be my next purchase.
Joee 4:25 PM - 24 June, 2015
this was a good buy, when working with dance instructors www.amazon.com they also have a newer model i believe
DJ Val-BKNY11203 4:28 PM - 24 June, 2015
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this was a good buy, when working with dance instructors www.amazon.com they also have a newer model i believe


I'm thinking I might just do the dual $89 jumpoff JD put up.
Joee 4:31 PM - 24 June, 2015
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I'm thinking I might just do the dual $89 jumpoff JD put up.

if it works anything like the others it's defiantly a good buy
pdidy 4:42 PM - 24 June, 2015
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this was a good buy, when working with dance instructors www.amazon.com they also have a newer model i believe


I'm thinking I might just do the dual $89 jumpoff JD put up.

Disclaimer: thats a different Mic than the ones joee or I use.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:22 PM - 24 June, 2015
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this was a good buy, when working with dance instructors www.amazon.com they also have a newer model i believe


I'm thinking I might just do the dual $89 jumpoff JD put up.

Disclaimer: thats a different Mic than the ones joee or I use.


Ahhh let me check model numbers.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:33 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Wow @ Mackie, but hey, whatever works!


Most Mackie hate is directed at it speakers while it's line mixers get a pass.


Intrusting...

I just never would have guessed...

However we do own Technical Pro and GTD Audio Wireless mics....so...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:34 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Pretty dope! I haven't heard of GTD Audio before. That's a 1500% savings compared to www.amazon.com and that's just for the receiver, no mics included!


My mic replacement is only $38 ea if any one breaks or steals it. www.amazon.com

im a long time (20+ yrs) shure sm58 wired mic user and my $38 gtd wireless mic gives me a very easy similar performance for basic DJ work. I've never been a fan of any cheap gear but this here is the exception to the rule.


Cool these will be my next purchase.


We acutally had a confession thread before regarding those mics...lol.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:39 PM - 24 June, 2015
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We acutally had a confession thread before regarding those mics...lol.


serato.com
pdidy 6:46 PM - 24 June, 2015
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We acutally had a confession thread before regarding those mics...lol.


serato.com

I totally forgot about that one, I think that was the first time I admitted to owning it.....lol
DJ Guayo 7:00 PM - 24 June, 2015
Lmao!!! I remember that thread. Do they carry any systems in the 500 MHz band? That 600 MHz band will be obsolete here in a few years.
dj_soo 7:08 PM - 24 June, 2015
I thought most mackie hate was directed at when they started outsourcing all their manufacturing to China
DJ Val-BKNY11203 7:20 PM - 24 June, 2015
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We acutally had a confession thread before regarding those mics...lol.


serato.com


Ha Ha Ha Joee shit on them at first...now he owns them.
Joee 7:28 PM - 24 June, 2015
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Ha Ha Ha Joee shit on them at first...now he owns them.


" *****THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT*******

just say no to cheap wireless mic, friends don't let friends rock out with cheap mic's

have a nice day :) "


lol, i did……but than i needed a dual headset/handheld & gave it a try as per pdidy recommendation along with a few others that confirmed the quality

i gave it a shot & must say there a great value
pdidy 7:30 PM - 24 June, 2015
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We acutally had a confession thread before regarding those mics...lol.


serato.com


Ha Ha Ha Joee shit on them at first...now he owns them.


Every cheap mic be it wired or wireless that I've seen in my lifetime sounded like shit so I absolutely understand why he was a skeptic and so was I.
DJJASONLLAMAS 6:45 PM - 25 July, 2015
I finaly made the upgrade and put the vrx 918 amp on my 618xlf i tested it yesterday and let me tell you i never smiled when i heard my xlf like i did yesterday :) i compared it to my friends vrx and even he agreed that the xlf sounded a tab bit louder idk why that is also the tone is about the same real close now i have xlf amps for sale
DJ GaFFle 7:36 PM - 25 July, 2015
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I finaly made the upgrade and put the vrx 918 amp on my 618xlf i tested it yesterday and let me tell you i never smiled when i heard my xlf like i did yesterday :) i compared it to my friends vrx and even he agreed that the xlf sounded a tab bit louder idk why that is also the tone is about the same real close now i have xlf amps for sale

Wow... I've never heard of anyone doing this. Post pics and become an Internet celebrity.
Mr.Jace 8:50 PM - 25 July, 2015
^LMFAO
Mr.Jace 10:43 PM - 25 July, 2015
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I finaly made the upgrade and put the vrx 918 amp on my 618xlf i tested it yesterday and let me tell you i never smiled when i heard my xlf like i did yesterday :) i compared it to my friends vrx and even he agreed that the xlf sounded a tab bit louder idk why that is also the tone is about the same real close now i have xlf amps for sale

You actually swapped amps inside the prx618xlf? What are you planning to do with the speaker and speaker box of vrx?
pdidy 11:04 PM - 25 July, 2015
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I finaly made the upgrade and put the vrx 918 amp on my 618xlf i tested it yesterday and let me tell you i never smiled when i heard my xlf like i did yesterday :) i compared it to my friends vrx and even he agreed that the xlf sounded a tab bit louder idk why that is also the tone is about the same real close now i have xlf amps for sale

Wow... I've never heard of anyone doing this. Post pics and become an Internet celebrity.

thats a first !
desmorider 2:13 AM - 26 July, 2015
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I finaly made the upgrade and put the vrx 918 amp on my 618xlf i tested it yesterday and let me tell you i never smiled when i heard my xlf like i did yesterday :) i compared it to my friends vrx and even he agreed that the xlf sounded a tab bit louder idk why that is also the tone is about the same real close now i have xlf amps for sale

You actually swapped amps inside the prx618xlf? What are you planning to do with the speaker and speaker box of vrx?


I would imagine that he just found a used vrx amp somewhere.
desmorider 2:27 AM - 26 July, 2015
They both use 2268ff low freq driver, with the prx having 500 watts vs vrx with 750 watts? Are the amps, and cutouts the exact same size?
DJJASONLLAMAS 4:24 AM - 27 July, 2015
No i didn't buy a use vrx amp lol my friend broth his vrx speakers both of them and i told him i had a crazy idea of putting a vrx amp on a xlf and he said go for it. So i took both amps out first thing i notice is that the vrx amp is a little more heavy but the front panel where the connector goes is the same the xlf cord snaps right in place even the same colored cables the cut of the box is the same for the amp also even the front led lights up and its brighter too like a 30% brighter. Now i did my homework for almost 3 months now and i learn that the 2268ff is 800watts rms 1600programe and 3200 peak wich really means nothing. After testing and listening to the subs with tops for about 5hrs i learn that the vrx is more solid it keeps the bass in check the xlf has more off a boom low sound wich in some songs the bass sounds over kill kinda like the old school bass music like brass monkey and that's why it makes it sound louder then the vrx it kinda sounds like it has a sub harmonic in some songs not that is a bad thing i kinda like it reminds me of my old school cerwin Vegas the other big change on the xlf is that 80hz button like pdidy said this speakers where meant to be play low over all to me the 618xlf sounds like is on steroids the vrx sounds great but the xlf did feel louder you can hear it maybe because the box is fatter idk the only difference in sound is the xlf sounds soo deep that the bass feels loose the vrx sounds together also deep but more cleaner :) but all take loose and deep any day thoe :) i already ordered 8 vrx amps im not looking for fame im just a hardcore audio guy that likes to work with what he has i mean if it aint broke why replace it. Where i live with 8xlfs and 8 vrx im giving the audio guys here a real hard time to keep up and get on my level since i already had the xlfs and vrx sound sick but now there going to hate me even more when they here my system and its new super low powers lol. i still plan on buying 12vrx918sp to go with my 8vrx932lap in 2 years but for now my 8 xlfs will be getting a tune up and making me more money and keeping my customers happy and my haters hatting.
Arjun B 7:58 AM - 27 July, 2015
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i already ordered 8 vrx amps.


Where did you get the amps from? and is there a place/site you can buy the parts seperately? I was thinking about calling JBL directly.
DJ GaFFle 12:10 PM - 27 July, 2015
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...After testing and listening to the subs with tops for about 5hrs i learn that the vrx is more solid it keeps the bass in check the xlf has more off a boom low sound wich in some songs the bass sounds over kill kinda like the old school bass music like brass monkey....

I can visualize that sound. That's not necessarily accurate or musical sounding but it depends on the music being played and your audience's taste.
pdidy 11:37 PM - 27 July, 2015
Commodore Barry Park Brooklyn 7/25/15
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Joee 11:47 PM - 27 July, 2015
1:53……the man is serious……not playin no games…….lol
Taipanic 2:18 PM - 28 July, 2015
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Commodore Barry Park Brooklyn 7/25/15
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com


No issues with the profanity in a public park?
DJ GaFFle 3:28 PM - 28 July, 2015
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Commodore Barry Park Brooklyn 7/25/15
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com


No issues with the profanity in a public park?

What profanity? ...You must mean this video PDidy posted: Watchwww.youtube.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:37 PM - 28 July, 2015
lol, that Behringer still jumps out....
pdidy 4:31 PM - 28 July, 2015
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Commodore Barry Park Brooklyn 7/25/15
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com


No issues with the profanity in a public park?

Nope, you can do as you please.
pdidy 4:38 PM - 28 July, 2015
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What profanity? ...You must mean this video PDidy posted: Watchwww.youtube.com

the profanity is pretty much expected at these types of shows.
DJ GaFFle 6:43 PM - 28 July, 2015
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What profanity? ...You must mean this video PDidy posted: Watchwww.youtube.com

the profanity is pretty much expected at these types of shows.

I thought I was listening to some down-south group for a second. Them dude's are from NY?
DJFree 8:51 PM - 28 July, 2015
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What profanity? ...You must mean this video PDidy posted: Watchwww.youtube.com

the profanity is pretty much expected at these types of shows.

I thought I was listening to some down-south group for a second. Them dude's are from NY?

Lol looks like Maino Watchwww.youtube.com
pdidy 12:10 AM - 29 July, 2015
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What profanity? ...You must mean this video PDidy posted: Watchwww.youtube.com

the profanity is pretty much expected at these types of shows.

I thought I was listening to some down-south group for a second. Them dude's are from NY?

Connecticut, Brooklyn, Manhattan.
pdidy 12:11 AM - 29 July, 2015
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Lol looks like Maino

yes that was maino
DJJASONLLAMAS 9:48 AM - 4 August, 2015
I got the vrx amp in a local store in san fernando for 300 bucks. I also both my jbl vrx 932laps there for 2,100 each im going to put my audio at the santa monica night wack tomorrow night i still only have one vrx amp still waiting on 7 there still on back oder.
JDforKing 7:52 PM - 10 August, 2015
@pdidy

I thought i'd leave this here for you

serato.com
pdidy 11:19 PM - 10 August, 2015
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@pdidy

I thought i'd leave this here for you

serato.com

got it
DJ Guayo 7:59 PM - 27 August, 2015
For all the subwoofer heads out there. Ran into this site with different sound samples at different frequencies. You would need to patch in via a laptop, tablet, or phone.

www.audiocheck.net
pdidy 10:05 PM - 28 August, 2015
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For all the subwoofer heads out there. Ran into this site with different sound samples at different frequencies. You would need to patch in via a laptop, tablet, or phone.

www.audiocheck.net

Wow that's a very nice tool especially when comparing subs side by side. I've been looking for something simple like this for while now to show the difference between 2 subs.

For example ive been trying to explain to a friend that his Yorkville 801 will play higher frequencies louder than my VRX918sp and my VRX play lower frequencies louder than his Yorkville 801 but he could not understand the concept. So with this tool you can actually pinpoint at what frequencies this happens.
DJ Guayo 10:09 PM - 28 August, 2015
You can download th wav files directly also. There is a link for each frequency.
pdidy 10:15 PM - 28 August, 2015
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You can download th wav files directly also. There is a link for each frequency.

Yes but the websites version is so much better.....
DJ GaFFle 12:52 AM - 29 August, 2015
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For all the subwoofer heads out there. Ran into this site with different sound samples at different frequencies. You would need to patch in via a laptop, tablet, or phone.

www.audiocheck.net

Wow that's a very nice tool especially when comparing subs side by side. I've been looking for something simple like this for while now to show the difference between 2 subs.

For example ive been trying to explain to a friend that his Yorkville 801 will play higher frequencies louder than my VRX918sp and my VRX play lower frequencies louder than his Yorkville 801 but he could not understand the concept. So with this tool you can actually pinpoint at what frequencies this happens.

Your buddy may still not get the frequency response concept. If he runs 30 or 40Hz through his LS801P and he hears noise or flub-flub flapping bass, he may perceive this as quality sound when it really isn't. You'd have to A/B it and let him hear the VRX handle 30 or 40Hz with quality, solid and full throughput.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:54 AM - 29 August, 2015
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For all the subwoofer heads out there. Ran into this site with different sound samples at different frequencies. You would need to patch in via a laptop, tablet, or phone.

www.audiocheck.net


Wow that's a very nice tool especially when comparing subs side by side. I've been looking for something simple like this for while now to show the difference between 2 subs.

For example ive been trying to explain to a friend that his Yorkville 801 will play higher frequencies louder than my VRX918sp and my VRX play lower frequencies louder than his Yorkville 801 but he could not understand the concept. So with this tool you can actually pinpoint at what frequencies this happens.


I dunno man, you better than me...
Funkytownstopsix 3:37 PM - 31 August, 2015
say I went to a gig this past weekend at the park where the dj was using www.samsung.com
Honestly I could not believe how good this system sounded and the base was the best part. Anyone else had a chance to hear one of these setups.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 6:36 PM - 31 August, 2015
Patiently waiting for responses.
Joee 7:15 PM - 31 August, 2015
^ Funkytownstopsix was drunk…..it's the only logical explanation……haha

he be drink innnnn
Funkytownstopsix 12:55 PM - 1 September, 2015
LOL come on Joee.. Real talk I was impressed by this system not joking and I was not drinking I was on my motorcycle. Like all Dj's I check out the DJ and what they are working with. I never seen Samsung speakers before let alone heard of them but they had very good bass and sounded very good and this was outdoors in the middle of the park. Not something I would buy because I like my speakers with the amp built in but then again maybe for the man cave I would.
Taipanic 1:33 PM - 1 September, 2015
Obviously not professional gear. Might sound great, good for home parties, I'd never be seen in public with one.
Rebelguy 3:14 PM - 1 September, 2015
You could get that or a pair of Yamaha DXR12s. Hmmm.
pdidy 3:47 PM - 1 September, 2015
Clearly he is trolling us with this shit Watchwww.youtube.com
Funkytownstopsix 1:29 AM - 2 September, 2015
Come speaker king.... I was not trolling but they really did put out nice bass and it sounded clear.
Joee 1:31 AM - 2 September, 2015
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Come speaker king.... I was not trolling but they really did put out nice bass and it sounded clear.


how many crown apples have you had

:p
Funkytownstopsix 12:11 PM - 2 September, 2015
None that day... this is the deal when someone else sees someone with them please post I am sure it will be the same as what I said. Loud and Clear just saying.
Joee 12:49 PM - 2 September, 2015
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None that day... this is the deal when someone else sees someone with them please post I am sure it will be the same as what I said. Loud and Clear just saying.


so would you trade your vxr918's for them

:p
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None that day... this is the deal when someone else sees someone with them please post I am sure it will be the same as what I said. Loud and Clear just saying.


Read the 3 reviews on that site. They were all good. lol
Funkytownstopsix 7:40 PM - 4 September, 2015
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None that day... this is the deal when someone else sees someone with them please post I am sure it will be the same as what I said. Loud and Clear just saying.


so would you trade your vxr918's for them

:p

Naw,,,, but one vrx is the whole Samsung system. Th
Joee 7:47 PM - 4 September, 2015
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Naw,,,, but one vrx is the whole Samsung system. Th


dude these are totally better than the vrx……they have there own built in light show…..haha
Funkytownstopsix 7:48 PM - 4 September, 2015
that's the one thing I don't like about them.
D. J. Shawn Quick 4:43 AM - 5 September, 2015
What's the deal Joee & Pdidy I need 1 more Vrx918sp & 4 Vrx 932lap? I called ProAudioStar & was told that Spence wasn't in sales anymore but buying Nick told me?
pdidy 5:41 AM - 5 September, 2015
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What's the deal Joee & Pdidy I need 1 more Vrx918sp & 4 Vrx 932lap? I called ProAudioStar & was told that Spence wasn't in sales anymore but buying Nick told me?

How many Vrx918sp do u have ?

What's the best price you got on the Vrx 932lap ?
D. J. Shawn Quick 6:19 AM - 5 September, 2015
I have 3 Vrx918sp now that I run with 2 srx815p.

Cheapest price I found Vrx932lap $1999.99 each & told them I wanted 4 with a sub.
pdidy 4:23 PM - 5 September, 2015
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Cheapest price I found Vrx932lap $1999.99 each

ive never seen the Vrx932(lap) priced that low, you sure thats not the passive Vrx932(la) price ?
D. J. Shawn Quick 4:28 PM - 5 September, 2015
Manufacturer refurbished.
D. J. Shawn Quick 7:18 PM - 5 September, 2015
Any suggestions on generators to power 4 Jbl Vrx 932lap & 4 Vrx918s without a d-box?
pdidy 10:11 PM - 5 September, 2015
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Any suggestions on generators to power 4 Jbl Vrx 932lap & 4 Vrx918s without a d-box?

powerequipment.honda.com
pdidy 10:21 PM - 5 September, 2015
all summer ive been using www.homedepot.com
And I had no complaints but the Honda is obviously the better choice if you got the money to spend.
DJ GaFFle 11:46 PM - 5 September, 2015
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all summer ive been using www.homedepot.com
And I had no complaints but the Honda is obviously the better choice if you got the money to spend.

I know nothing about generators. Why is the 7k watt Honda better than the 10k watt Home Depot brand?
D. J. Shawn Quick 12:26 AM - 6 September, 2015
Funds will be limited. So what will power a 4x4 Vrx setup on a budget with a little headroom?
D. J. Shawn Quick 1:21 AM - 6 September, 2015
Thanks if the all power works for you I know it's good.
D. J. Shawn Quick 1:25 AM - 6 September, 2015
I won't be making a d-box but can I just plug everything into the 120 receptacles & be good @ full power for the speakers?
D. J. Shawn Quick 1:33 AM - 6 September, 2015
Thanks to all that gave some input in this discussion. Time to clock in got to load up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:52 AM - 6 September, 2015
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all summer ive been using www.homedepot.com

And I had no complaints but the Honda is obviously the better choice if you got the money to spend.


I know nothing about generators. Why is the 7k watt Honda better than the 10k watt Home Depot brand?


This is what I wanna know....Plus that Honda AIN'T cheap...
Scully DJ Services 2:40 AM - 6 September, 2015
The Honda is better for multiple reasons.
-It is super quiet
-Very fuel efficient
-Super reliable
desmorider 4:19 AM - 6 September, 2015
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The Honda is better for multiple reasons.
-It is super quiet
-Very fuel efficient
-Super reliable



This. No comparison. Honda makes a great generator. Very quiet, howeve you will pay a huge premium.
DJ GaFFle 1:22 PM - 6 September, 2015
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The Honda is better for multiple reasons.
-It is super quiet
-Very fuel efficient
-Super reliable



This. No comparison. Honda makes a great generator. Very quiet, howeve you will pay a gi-normous premium.

fixed
pdidy 6:00 PM - 6 September, 2015
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The Honda is better for multiple reasons.
-It is super quiet
-Very fuel efficient
-Super reliable

& Advanced Inverter Technology
•Provides reliable power for computers & other sensitive equipment.

So in simple terms some generators put out dirty power that is NOT safe for electronics but you never know until its too late. Inverter generator put out clean power similar to that in your home outlet so its safe for anything.
JD WAS. 12:24 PM - 7 September, 2015
@Pdiddy what precautions do you take when using the non inverter type generator?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:03 PM - 7 September, 2015
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@Pdiddy what precautions do you take when using the non inverter type generator?


He'll have his electrician plug directly into a street lamp...
pdidy 2:27 PM - 7 September, 2015
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@Pdiddy what precautions do you take when using the non inverter type generator?

technically non, just background checks of other djs that have used it successfully.

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@Pdiddy what precautions do you take when using the non inverter type generator?


He'll have his electrician plug directly into a street lamp...

lol
street lamps have all the power you need and its cleaner than any generator btw...
D. J. Shawn Quick 3:47 PM - 7 September, 2015
Glad to here that the All Power generator has works for multiple Dj's providing 8000 running Watts.

227 pounds even with the wheel kit is a little heavy.

Will anything lighter in weight work like 7000 running watts with a little spare power?
Taipanic 6:07 PM - 7 September, 2015
As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.
DJ GaFFle 9:43 PM - 7 September, 2015
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As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.

That quiet? That's quality. Those inverter issues seem scary. Wouldn't a "quality" power conditioner inline to your electronic equipment solve any non-inverter issues?
Scully DJ Services 12:37 AM - 8 September, 2015
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That quiet? That's quality.



Yup. My High School owns 3 of the 1000 watt models and they barely purr. You can't even tell if its on unless you stand really close to it.
pdidy 3:38 AM - 8 September, 2015
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As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.

That quiet? That's quality. Those inverter issues seem scary. Wouldn't a "quality" power conditioner inline to your electronic equipment solve any non-inverter issues?

yes, how many would you need for your system ?
www.guitarcenter.com
DJ GaFFle 12:57 PM - 8 September, 2015
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As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.

That quiet? That's quality. Those inverter issues seem scary. Wouldn't a "quality" power conditioner inline to your electronic equipment solve any non-inverter issues?

yes, how many would you need for your system ?
www.guitarcenter.com

Man... $1700 for a power conditioner?!??!? I guess all of that is safety and efficiency factored into the Honda generator, thus the high entry fee.
Funkytownstopsix 4:52 PM - 8 September, 2015
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As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.

That quiet? That's quality. Those inverter issues seem scary. Wouldn't a "quality" power conditioner inline to your electronic equipment solve any non-inverter issues?

yes, how many would you need for your system ?
www.guitarcenter.com

I was going to say this but you beat me too it. Dirty power is bad add that to power that is not grounded in older buildings. There are cheaper ways to get around this but trust me the more money you spend the better the outcome.
Taipanic 2:45 PM - 10 September, 2015
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As said, using a non inverter generator is a risk. One surge or brown out can fry your hard drive, computer, etc... Might not be a any issues but you are taking a risk. The Honda EU series are inverter generators and are so quiet you can have it under your table and not hear it.

That quiet? That's quality. Those inverter issues seem scary. Wouldn't a "quality" power conditioner inline to your electronic equipment solve any non-inverter issues?

yes, how many would you need for your system ?
www.guitarcenter.com

I was going to say this but you beat me too it. Dirty power is bad add that to power that is not grounded in older buildings. There are cheaper ways to get around this but trust me the more money you spend the better the outcome.


True, effective power conditioners run in this price range. Much of the cheaper stuff isn't much more than a pretty power strip.
Taipanic 2:49 PM - 10 September, 2015
I'm seriously thinking of picking one of these up. Not quite as quiet as the Honda but close enough for our needs I think.
www.lowes.com

Reviews on the web are good and I can probably get it under $800 - $1200 less than the comparable Honda.
Rebelguy 10:32 PM - 10 September, 2015
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I'm seriously thinking of picking one of these up. Not quite as quiet as the Honda but close enough for our needs I think.
www.lowes.com

Reviews on the web are good and I can probably get it under $800 - $1200 less than the comparable Honda.


83 lbs...no thanks. Plus there are no db specs shown.
Taipanic 3:10 PM - 11 September, 2015
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I'm seriously thinking of picking one of these up. Not quite as quiet as the Honda but close enough for our needs I think.
www.lowes.com

Reviews on the web are good and I can probably get it under $800 - $1200 less than the comparable Honda.


83 lbs...no thanks. Plus there are no db specs shown.


Sound appears to be similar volume, though they don't use the same method for rating. Weight is within 10 lbs of the Honda. These are the 3000 watt models, the 2000 watt models are much smaller, quieter & lighter but you might end up needing two for gigs where you are turning up the volume.
If I decide to get a 2000 watt model might hold out for the new Generac IQ2000 - quieter than the Honda, fuel readout, low oil & overheat alarms, power usage meter:
www.generac.com
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:56 PM - 11 September, 2015
minimum watts/amps to power 4 VRX subs and 4 tops.?
pdidy 6:58 PM - 11 September, 2015
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minimum watts/amps to power 4 VRX subs and 4 tops.?

tops and subs are 6amps each.

6 amps X 8 speakers = 48 amps @ full power.
D. J. Shawn Quick 6:34 AM - 13 September, 2015
Ridgid 3600 = clean power for sensitive electronics. 30 amp twist lock capable of running all 8 Vrx speakers once the 240 switch is selected on each speaker to cut power consumption in half to 3 amps per speaker. Ridgid is industrial grade with a Subaru motor with 4 120 volt 20 amp outlets. Not a quiet unit but who cares you are dj's unless its an outdoor wedding.
(48 amps for 8 Vrx speakers 120v / 24 amps for 8 Vrx speakers 240v)
D. J. Shawn Quick 3:38 PM - 13 September, 2015
Thanks for posting that Champion 3100 generator Rebelguy. It will do the job @ 83 pounds.
The 30 amp 240v outlet will handle all 8 of my Jbl Vrx speakers once each speaker is switched to 240v on the Amp. It only looses 2 120v outlets. Recomended by Honda generator users.
8 Jbl Vrx = 48 amps @ 120v
8 Jbl Vrx = 24 amps @ 240v
Scully DJ Services 10:04 PM - 14 September, 2015
Sorry to change the subject, but I need some help in looking for subs that will fit my needs.

I'm a teen in Texas and I do mobiles for school events, private parties, some corporate events, and the occasional wedding. I currently own 2 Yamaha DBR15s that I gig with. While they sound awesome, they unfortunately don't give me enough bass, and because of that, I want to buy myself 1 or 2 18" subs.
For transportation, I own a Ford F-150. I would like to fit them in the truck bed, and because I have a lid on the bed to keep rain and thieves out, the sub has to be shorter than 23 inches on some side so that it will fit. That is my only size constraint, but I would like it to be manageable to move around on my own as I don't gig with others all the time.
The only experience with subs that I have had has been a single QSC KW181 in a GC which sounded good to me, as well as 2 Mackie HD1801s which limited faster than I liked under pressure. I have ruled out the HD1801s because of their poor reliability, the Yorkville LS801p due to its massive size and weight, as well as the JBL VRX918 due to it's high price and lackluster SPL. (Correct me if I am wrong please on any of this)
The options that I have now to my knowledge include the EV ETX18SP, the EV EKX18SP, and the QSC KW181. My goal for this system of 2 tops and 2 subs is to be able to provide enough sound power for top 40 stuff and other bass heavy music like EDM styled stuff and some Hip Hop while in banquet halls, some rare outdoor settings, and even possibly a school gym or two.
What do you think is my best option, and what would be the best price that I could get? Thanks.
Joee 10:39 PM - 14 September, 2015
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JBL VRX918 due to it's high price and lackluster SPL.

the vrx isn't "lack luster" they actually measured the spl in open air , add walls to there mix & the spl goes up




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The options that I have now to my knowledge include the EV ETX18SP, the EV EKX18SP, and the QSC KW181.


all great choices you really can't go wrong with either, i would probably pair the ekx18 with your dbr15's


if you plan on upgrading those dbr15's in the future …..than i would choose one of the other two subs


IMO, i pair of qsc kw181 & a pair of yamaha dxr12 is the BEST system you can get today for $3,300 ..while being portable easy to manage with some real big sound
Scully DJ Services 10:46 PM - 14 September, 2015
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the vrx isn't "lack luster" they actually measured the spl in open air , add walls to there mix & the spl goes up


I remember pdidy saying that when used 1 at a time they are underwhelming. Also, I can't spend 1500 a sub. Im trying to keep costs as low as possible.

I read somewhere that the EKX18SP is not good for electronic styled music, only for rock type music due to it's frequency response. If this is true, it makes me not want to consider it. If not though, it is super appealing since it is lightweight and cheap.
Joee 10:50 PM - 14 September, 2015
i forgot to mention if you want to stay with bran uniformity the new DXS18 is a beast , i got a chance to hear them @ the dj expo …..think mini yorkvile thats how they sound

usa.yamaha.com


price is around $1,100


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I read somewhere that the EKX18SP is not good for electronic styled music, only for rock type music due to it's frequency response. If this is true, it makes me not want to consider it. If not though, it is super appealing since it is lightweight and cheap



there was someone on this forum that did a nice review of the ekx, let me see if i can find the link for you
Joee 10:52 PM - 14 September, 2015
got it here you go


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Been reading these forums for close to a year now, figured I'd finally chime in. DJ/Audio/Lighting nerd since 2001, if you want or need more background (I know you guys don't trust the new posters lol) I'd be happy to share.

I bought the EKX18-SP in early June, choosing it over the Yorkville LS801P and ETX18-SP simply due to size restrictions. Also chose it over the KW-181 due to weight, solo gigs and prior back issues making the 88lbs a lot tougher than 72lb. I really like it, not a perfect sub, but a very good offering in the $999 range; at least thus far in two months of use.

The LS801P, ETX and KW-181 are better, but it's a very good sounding sub for being 72lb in a compact box, (basically the same size box as the KW-181 - except it's not birch plywood like the QSC). Will likely get a second one soon.

I made a YouTube review of the EKX18 because I didn't really see any good ones.

youtu.be
Joee 10:56 PM - 14 September, 2015
o sckully FYI the ekx18 can be had for $700, but like i said if you plan on upgrading those dbr's in the future i would not get the ekx
Scully DJ Services 11:36 PM - 14 September, 2015
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o sckully FYI the ekx18 can be had for $700, but like i said if you plan on upgrading those dbr's in the future i would not get the ekx


Woah that price is fantastic. Is that a price that I can get, or just someone like you? Since they are that price, I may be able to get 3 of them. In that guy's review, he said the KW181 and ETX both get louder. Do you thing the step up in SPL is worth the extra 400ish per sub?
Joee 11:44 PM - 14 September, 2015
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Woah that price is fantastic. Is that a price that I can get, or just someone like you?


sorry, i forget that not everyone gets my price….lol, i spend serious money with PAS every year


i purchased 40K of gear this year, your price would be like $750 / $800ish
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Since they are that price, I may be able to get 3 of them. In that guy's review, he said the KW181 and ETX both get louder. Do you thing the step up in SPL is worth the extra 400ish per sub?


i ask you this question…..are you going to stay with the dbr's? if not i would get one of your other two choices & do not rule out the yamaha DXS18 it's a beast street price is $1,100 usa.yamaha.com
JDforKing 11:49 PM - 14 September, 2015
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Woah that price is fantastic. Is that a price that I can get, or just someone like you?


sorry, i forget that not everyone gets my price….lol, i spend serious money with PAS every year


i purchased 40K of gear this year, your price would be like $750 / $800ish
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Since they are that price, I may be able to get 3 of them. In that guy's review, he said the KW181 and ETX both get louder. Do you thing the step up in SPL is worth the extra 400ish per sub?


i ask you this question…..are you going to stay with the dbr's? if not i would get one of your other two choices & do not rule out the yamaha DXS18 it's a beast street price is $1,100 usa.yamaha.com


40k on equipment in a year. What did you buy? Lol
Scully DJ Services 11:56 PM - 14 September, 2015
How would 2 DXS18s compare to 3 EKX18SPs?
Joee 12:03 AM - 15 September, 2015
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40k on equipment in a year. What did you buy? Lol

lol


six evox 8 with bags $8,700…..thats only one thing i could make a hole list but i would be here for a loooonnngggg time…….lol


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How would 2 DXS18s compare to 3 EKX18SPs?

i couldn't say as i didn't hear them side by side, i did hear them on the same day @ the expo tho ………i think yes to the question ,that dxs18 sounded like a mini york ls801 the bass was hitting me in the chest
Scully DJ Services 12:08 AM - 15 September, 2015
Hmm those seem very interesting. Could you get me the 1100 price?
Joee 12:11 AM - 15 September, 2015
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Hmm those seem very interesting. Could you get me the 1100 price?

that $1,100 is street price as per the yamaha rep @ the dj expo
JDforKing 12:15 AM - 15 September, 2015
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40k on equipment in a year. What did you buy? Lol

lol


six evox 8 with bags $8,700…..thats only one thing i could make a hole list but i would be here for a loooonnngggg time…….lol


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How would 2 DXS18s compare to 3 EKX18SPs?

i couldn't say as i didn't hear them side by side, i did hear them on the same day @ the expo tho ………i think yes to the question ,that dxs18 sounded like a mini york ls801 the bass was hitting me in the chest



Do you rent equipment out to other djs?
D. J. Shawn Quick 12:19 AM - 15 September, 2015
Forget the champion generator no 240v
D. J. Shawn Quick 12:30 AM - 15 September, 2015
Ridgid 5700 $699.00
Joee 12:35 AM - 15 September, 2015
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Do you rent equipment out to other djs?

something like that…..lol
DJ Dub Cowboy 1:07 AM - 15 September, 2015
have we covered JBL VRX918SP vs RCF SUB-8004 (or 8003) on output and sound quality. They don't really compare in price or weight but my eyes are wandering that way because I am so pleased with my HD-32 tops.
pdidy 1:24 AM - 15 September, 2015
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have we covered JBL VRX918SP vs RCF SUB-8004

there was no a/b testing but I think everyone is in agreement that the RCF-8004 will outperform the JBL VRX918SP but 8003 is questionable.....
pdidy 2:49 AM - 15 September, 2015
There is a NEW rcf 8003 but my guess is it will be equal to
JBL VRX918sp = EV etx18sp = JBL srx818sp within a few db's aka a sidestep.

I believe the RCF-8004 is the next step up or true upgrade from all the rest in this price range from my research.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:16 AM - 15 September, 2015
oh yeah, where are the specs on that new 8003. I think that is what I was lusting after...

sold my Yamaha DXR8s to get some RCF HD-10s
thinking of switching the VRXs for 8003mk2s
pdidy 5:21 AM - 15 September, 2015
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thinking of switching the VRXs for 8003mk2s


Thats sounds like a sidestep not an upgrade. I demoed the original 8003 side by side with the VRX918sp and choose the VRX over the rcf because it was lighter and went lower while the RCF was slightly louder when pushed to max volume on both. These differences were not easily noticeable so It really came down to weight for the VRX to win.

The new 8003mk2 is rated at 1 db louder than the original 8003. So even if they improved the sound quality of the 8003mk2 to go as low as the VRX I still don't think it would qualify as a true "UPGRADE" to the VRX.

Now the RCF-8004 is a totally different story and the direction you might want to look at if you want a "noticeable" improvement.
JDforKing 1:01 PM - 15 September, 2015
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oh yeah, where are the specs on that new 8003. I think that is what I was lusting after...

sold my Yamaha DXR8s to get some RCF HD-10s
thinking of switching the VRXs for 8003mk2s



I have the Yamaha dxr8 and use to own a pair of rcf hd10s. The rcfs are definitely an upgrade but the dxr8s are great for the price. Both are quality speakers
DJ Guayo 5:39 PM - 15 September, 2015
Anyone else have the 8004s on the forums? I've been gigging with them for few months now... No complaints other than the venues asking me to turn them down and lighting fixtures falling from the ceiling...
pdidy 5:52 PM - 15 September, 2015
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Anyone else have the 8004s on the forums? I've been gigging with them for few months now... No complaints other than the venues asking me to turn them down and lighting fixtures falling from the ceiling...

you got any new pics or videos of the 8004s in action ?
DJ Guayo 6:10 PM - 15 September, 2015
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Anyone else have the 8004s on the forums? I've been gigging with them for few months now... No complaints other than the venues asking me to turn them down and lighting fixtures falling from the ceiling...

you got any new pics or videos of the 8004s in action ?


not really... I will take a short vid at my gig this weekend.
dj_soo 8:21 PM - 15 September, 2015
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got it here you go


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Been reading these forums for close to a year now, figured I'd finally chime in. DJ/Audio/Lighting nerd since 2001, if you want or need more background (I know you guys don't trust the new posters lol) I'd be happy to share.

I bought the EKX18-SP in early June, choosing it over the Yorkville LS801P and ETX18-SP simply due to size restrictions. Also chose it over the KW-181 due to weight, solo gigs and prior back issues making the 88lbs a lot tougher than 72lb. I really like it, not a perfect sub, but a very good offering in the $999 range; at least thus far in two months of use.

The LS801P, ETX and KW-181 are better, but it's a very good sounding sub for being 72lb in a compact box, (basically the same size box as the KW-181 - except it's not birch plywood like the QSC). Will likely get a second one soon.

I made a YouTube review of the EKX18 because I didn't really see any good ones.

youtu.be


wow, I didn't realize how compact the EKX subs are. I wonder how much better it would be over my Yorkville NX720Ss as I'm considering upgrading those...

Spec-wise they're neck and neck, but those are specs...
pdidy 2:49 AM - 5 November, 2015
BASSBOSS subs compare for output, size, frequency range and price with the Yorkville LS801P and LS2100P and the QSC KW181

s3.amazonaws.com
bassboss.discussion.community
pdidy 3:28 AM - 5 November, 2015
Seems clear why the Yorkville LS801P is "perceived" to KILL everything in its path, even speaker twice the price.
Scully DJ Services 3:43 AM - 5 November, 2015
Whats a good street price of the 801p? PAS quoted me 1200, but that seems high compared to things Ive seen before on here.
pdidy 3:48 AM - 5 November, 2015
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Whats a good street price of the 801p? PAS quoted me 1200, but that seems high compared to things Ive seen before on here.

Last I checked its $1000 carpet, $1100 paint @ street price @ PAS
Scully DJ Services 3:49 AM - 5 November, 2015
With shipping?
pdidy 3:51 AM - 5 November, 2015
PAS = Proaudiostar.com for the new peeps.
pdidy 3:53 AM - 5 November, 2015
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With shipping?

yes but that and price depends heavily on you verbal game if ya no what i mean.
desmorider 3:54 AM - 5 November, 2015
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BASSBOSS subs compare for output, size, frequency range and price with the Yorkville LS801P and LS2100P and the QSC KW181

s3.amazonaws.com
bassboss.discussion.community


I sent a request to bassboss to compare their SSP118 to the rcf8004, and they said that they would do a test and post the results. If the charts are correct that they posted then the ssp118 is one beast of a sub. It hands the ls2100 its ass. I was told by the company that their product can be ordered from any guitar center pro, and they have a full 30 day money back guarantee.
pdidy 3:56 AM - 5 November, 2015
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I sent a request to bassboss to compare their SSP118 to the rcf8004

yep I saw that ;)
Scully DJ Services 4:02 AM - 5 November, 2015
Whhaaaa I feel cheated. I mentioned that one of yall bought one for 1050 and he said thats crazy low. Wanted me to pay 1200 for carpet smh.
DJ GaFFle 3:46 PM - 5 November, 2015
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BASSBOSS subs compare for output, size, frequency range and price with the Yorkville LS801P and LS2100P and the QSC KW181

s3.amazonaws.com
bassboss.discussion.community


I sent a request to bassboss to compare their SSP118 to the rcf8004, and they said that they would do a test and post the results. If the charts are correct that they posted then the ssp118 is one beast of a sub. It hands the ls2100 its ass. I was told by the company that their product can be ordered from any guitar center pro, and they have a full 30 day money back guarantee.

Thanx for that frequency graph PDidy! Yeah, it does tell the story of why the LS801P is so legendary (at least from 55-85Hz).

Most manufacturers are afraid to post up competitive graphs like this. Lots of gray area when this is done by the manufacturer unless a third-party decides to do it, even and unbiased. So BassBoss is looking pretty killer from a frequency response perspective. I look forward to seeing RCF8004's in the mix. They need to put more prominent colors on that graph though or number the results.
DJ Guayo 3:52 PM - 5 November, 2015
^ I agree on the colors as well. We should compare these graphs to the ones provided on their spec sheets. I'm obviously curious to the RCF 8004s graph as well.
DJ GaFFle 3:56 PM - 5 November, 2015
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^ I agree on the colors as well. We should compare these graphs to the ones provided on their spec sheets. I'm obviously curious to the RCF 8004s graph as well.

I bet like JBL, the RCF graph quality sucks in comparison; they're not usually granular and are too abbreviated. I'd rather an apple-to-apples, head-to-head measurement with all variables being the same.

Damn, they dissed the KW181, LS801P and York Parasource:

In my opinion, the LS801P, the Parasource 18S and the KW181 don't really qualify as subwoofers. They're more like sup-woofers. Supplementary woofers. Output that's added to your woofers but not below the woofers, not really sub-woofers.
pdidy 3:58 PM - 5 November, 2015
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Last I checked its $1000 carpet, $1100 paint @ street price @ PAS

Update: after checking with Pro Audio Star and two of my other speaker connections everyone is now quoting me $1200, it appears the price has gone up.
DJ GaFFle 4:00 PM - 5 November, 2015
And per the graph, it looks like the LS801P is about 3dB louder than a KW181 in all comparable "usuable" frequency ranges except where it blows the KW181 away (55-85Hz).
pdidy 4:15 PM - 5 November, 2015
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Damn, they dissed the KW181, LS801P and York Parasource:

In my opinion, the LS801P, the Parasource 18S and the KW181 don't really qualify as subwoofers. They're more like sup-woofers. Supplementary woofers. Output that's added to your woofers but not below the woofers, not really sub-woofers.

yea but its true because they all pretty much drop off after 50 Hz.

What's funny is KW181, LS801P being the two main subs I use in venues when I'm not bringing my own system I can easily listen to them for hours and enjoy the sound and never missed the fact that they're not going super looow. But after listening to a sub like my VRX I immediately gets spoiled all over again....... happens all the time....lol
pdidy 12:25 AM - 7 December, 2015
DJ GaFFle 1:04 AM - 7 December, 2015
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The Castle Royale Yonkers NY 12/4/15
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An extra-wide facade would have REALLY come in handy covering that table and those bed sheets.

Seems like your array speakers are ideal for a room like this.
pdidy 1:38 AM - 7 December, 2015
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An extra-wide facade would have REALLY come in handy covering that table and those bed sheets.

I dont care for facades that cover the turntable because Im a preformance dj. I had to borrow those white table clothes from the venue because I left my black Skirts that neatly cover wires at home by mistake. I admit the white clothes look tacky...lol
pdidy 2:31 AM - 7 December, 2015
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Seems like your array speakers are ideal for a room like this.

Exactly, the back of the room was approximately 125ft away and the sound remained even front to back at Club Volumes (not wedding). The room has a 500 person capacity which was perfect for testing the performance of the JBL VRX system because jbl claims this 4 top x 4 sub system is designed for that size. The tops had alot of additional headroom and could have easily covered much more than the jbl official rating.
pdidy 5:07 AM - 24 January, 2016
For future reference purposes:

Boundary Cancellation. www.padrick.net

If the subs are not in a corner, there will be a notch in the frequency response that is related to the distance from the sub to the wall:

2 feet will notch at ~140Hz
2.5' at ~112Hz
3' at ~95 Hz
3.5' at ~ 80Hz
4' at ~ 70Hz
5' at ~ 57Hz
6' at ~ 47Hz
7' at ~ 40Hz
8' at ~ 35Hz

So, no matter where you put the subs, try to place them within 2 feet of a room boundary (wall, floor, ceiling), or at least 8 feet from a boundary.


Rules for Subwoofer placement and stacking: billfitzmaurice.info
pdidy 5:39 PM - 2 April, 2016
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An extra-wide facade would have REALLY come in handy covering that table and those bed sheets.

I dont care for facades that cover the turntable because Im a preformance dj. I had to borrow those white table clothes from the venue because I left my black Skirts that neatly cover wires at home by mistake. I admit the white clothes look tacky...lol

"I dont care for facades" but I think I need to get one anyway for when a classy professional look is priority over my visual performance.
DJ Guayo 12:15 PM - 3 April, 2016
You could look into getting a facade that only goes up about 4 feet and still allows people to see the turntables.
Crtv_Sounds 8:18 PM - 16 May, 2016
here is what i use for my facade
Crtv_Sounds 8:19 PM - 16 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com
pdidy 7:05 AM - 17 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?
Culprit 7:22 AM - 17 May, 2016
So now that I have 3 CNC machine at my shop and I am pretty much bored of buying speakers, selling them and such. I think I am going to build me some subwoofers. I wanted to build something near the LS801 output

billfitzmaurice.info

Anyways, to throw a wrench in this whole situation (or possibly not), has anyone built their own or outsourced some custom stuff?

That link there says the titan 39's stomp all over the LS801's.

Non powered of course.
Culprit 7:23 AM - 17 May, 2016
*machines
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:50 AM - 17 May, 2016
I have a friend who built some Lab 12s and some tops not sure which ones. Amazing...highly underrated.

I think with a CNC machine you would make some nice boxes
pdidy 9:07 AM - 17 May, 2016
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That link there says the titan 39's stomp all over the LS801's.

FYI, the person making those claims also stated......

"Yorkville LS801P will, in no way, shape or form, do 140dB with 2 cabs. This is a claimed output, calculated on flawed principles. If a pair of them reached 126dB EVER, I'll eat my hat!"

Upon review of this chart s3.amazonaws.com that person is verifiably wrong on both (2) claims and will have too eat his hat :)

So be careful and believe at your own risk, that person may not be well-informed and is likely biased.

But I do know.....
1. bfm has a long history of designing great subs including the titan 39.
2. the titan 39 should have better sound quality than the Yorkville.
3. but I cannot confirm if they are as loud as a yorkville.
pdidy 9:22 AM - 17 May, 2016
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I have a friend who built some Lab 12

Watchwww.youtube.com

billfitzmaurice also designs a diy BIG SUB.
www.billfitzmaurice.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Scully DJ Services 11:41 AM - 17 May, 2016
Why not make Xoc1's TH18s. Theyre basically clones of TH118s.
DJ GaFFle 1:31 PM - 17 May, 2016
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I have a friend who built some Lab 12

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billfitzmaurice also designs a diy BIG SUB.
www.billfitzmaurice.com
Watchwww.youtube.com

Yeah... I think that one slightly trumps the TH-118 by a few dB across the spectrum. It's huge though...
Crtv_Sounds 4:02 PM - 17 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people
Taipanic 4:34 PM - 17 May, 2016
Looks great, I just personally have such a hard time with the $10k investment for video panels - seems such a high cost/return ratio. I'm always thinking projectors until the price comes down on panels...
Crtv_Sounds 4:41 PM - 17 May, 2016
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Looks great, I just personally have such a hard time with the $10k investment for video panels - seems such a high cost/return ratio. I'm always thinking projectors until the price comes down on panels...


Yes the led wall is a great unit to have, its defntly not cheap. If you have clients that are willing to pay it should be an easy sell. I was just getting sick of the traditional facade setup as every dj has one.
Culprit 5:26 PM - 17 May, 2016
I'm submitting the order now for 6 plans, figure out which boxes to make and start cutting in the next 2 weeks. All i need to do is order the subs, I have everything else in house, even in the paint.
DJ Guayo 6:58 PM - 17 May, 2016
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I'm submitting the order now for 6 plans, figure out which boxes to make and start cutting in the next 2 weeks. All i need to do is order the subs, I have everything else in house, even in the paint.


Nice!!! be sure to take pics and videos for the gear whores (me included)
Scully DJ Services 7:35 PM - 17 May, 2016
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I'm submitting the order now for 6 plans, figure out which boxes to make and start cutting in the next 2 weeks. All i need to do is order the subs, I have everything else in house, even in the paint.


Nice!!! be sure to take pics and videos for the gear whores (me included)


YES PLEASE
Culprit 9:58 PM - 17 May, 2016
Good idea, going to have my team capture all the pictures for this project.
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:17 AM - 18 May, 2016
+1
Certified Quality Entertainment 2:17 AM - 18 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people


What uplights you using?
JDforKing 2:20 AM - 18 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people


What do you use to run your speakers wirelessly?
Crtv_Sounds 3:11 PM - 18 May, 2016
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ll the pictures for this pr

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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people


What uplights you using?


Using cheap chinese uplights, but they have working great for me.
www.amazon.com

Wanted to get the battery/wireless ones but in all my events i have done all my clients want the uplights set to one color. So with that said i just have no need to drop $5000 or more on wireless/battery fixtures.
Crtv_Sounds 3:15 PM - 18 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people


What do you use to run your speakers wirelessly?


I just use my lav mic to make them wireless. Get one of these cables and youre all set
www.amazon.com

Receiver > Speaker
Tranmitter > Mixer/board

This saves a lot of cabling and gaff tape and most importantly time
JDforKing 3:38 PM - 18 May, 2016
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here is what i use for my facade


Watchwww.youtube.com

Very nice but is it easy to transport for the mobile DJ ? Do you have a link to the LED panel ?
Any video of the set up behind the façade ?



thanks pdidy...as far as transport, everything you see there is in road cases and i have a 7ft trailer, so yes the load in/out is quick and simple. I also had 3 roadies with me for this event.
The led panels are the chauvet pvps5 they are very easy to setup, they come in 2x2 panels and at this event i had 8 panels setup. Takes about 20 mins to setup and another 15mins to put together the trusses. Ill do a proper setup vid for you and post it up here.
Gear used:
2 yorkie ef500p
2 yorkie ls801p
2 yorkie psp12's for sidefills (wireless)
25 uplights
4 chauvet 350s
hazer
8 pvp panels
about 700 people


What do you use to run your speakers wirelessly?


I just use my lav mic to make them wireless. Get one of these cables and youre all set
www.amazon.com

Receiver > Speaker
Tranmitter > Mixer/board

This saves a lot of cabling and gaff tape and most importantly time


I do the same, i was curious if most people are having great results too.
Culprit 10:16 PM - 18 May, 2016
I love my alto stealth wireless, though I don't use it too much. You guys using the sennheisers? How many receivers can you link to the transmitters?
pdidy 3:13 AM - 20 May, 2016
Speaker Battle: EV ETX15P VS EV ZXA5

I got an incredible deal on a pair of EV ETX15P's i26.photobucket.com i26.photobucket.com that I could not pass up so of course I had an unofficial speaker battle today. There's been alot of talk about how great the EV ETX15P is so I wanted to put it to a Side-by-Side test and end all debate comparing it to the EV ZXA5 i26.photobucket.com i26.photobucket.com.

This test was based purely on raw POWER/output/spl when pushed too their final limits.

Anybody wanna take a guess who won ?
Arjun B 3:50 AM - 20 May, 2016
ZXA5?
Joee 11:04 AM - 20 May, 2016
ZXA5!
Joee 11:12 AM - 20 May, 2016
@ pdidy, can we expect a bass / sound quality comparison?


we all know the zxa5 has great bass response for a stand alone speaker, and as loud as they are they can get harsh when pushed to the maximum limit
Taipanic 1:44 PM - 20 May, 2016
Won't be surprised if the ETX puts out better sound at high volume. Love my ZXa5s but I would choose a pair of the processed speakers if I was buying now. As it is I'm going backwards with a new passive rig, lol.
Culprit 4:00 PM - 20 May, 2016
I heart my zxa5's so much..
pdidy 11:13 PM - 20 May, 2016
I was 100% satisfied with the output of the EV ETX15P but the ZXA5 is clearly and undeniably louder.

The ZXA5 had clean clear headroom over the EV ETX15P, I did not need to push the zxa5 into distortion to achieve a noticeable difference.


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@ pdidy, can we expect a bass / sound quality comparison?

When 2 speakers reach this level of greatness you would literally be splitting hairs to compare them against each other in sound quality. The bass on the EV ETX15P was impressive, just not as loud as the zxa5.


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Won't be surprised if the ETX puts out better sound at high volume.

i was most curious about this also but the zxa5 had clean available headroom after the ETX was pushing hard into limiting. But the ETX can maintain great sound quality even when being over driven by an inexperienced dj, I have learned to never ever take that chance with a zxa5 or you will see smoke.

Being that I work with and provide sound for many different dj's of varying skill level the EV ETX15P is the better tool for the job.
pdidy 11:31 PM - 20 May, 2016
Btw, I finally found a buyer for my zxa5's and will be selling them tomorrow. I will probably hold on to the EV ETX15P's for a few months before I resell them, Ive gotten soiled and am no longer a fan of heavy speakers like the etx. (70lbs)
Mr.Jace 11:53 PM - 20 May, 2016
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I was 100% satisfied with the output of the EV ETX15P but the ZXA5 is clearly and undeniably louder.

The ZXA5 had clean clear headroom over the EV ETX15P, I did not need to push the zxa5 into distortion to achieve a noticeable difference.


Quote:
@ pdidy, can we expect a bass / sound quality comparison?

When 2 speakers reach this level of greatness you would literally be splitting hairs to compare them against each other in sound quality. The bass on the EV ETX15P was impressive, just not as loud as the zxa5.


Quote:
Won't be surprised if the ETX puts out better sound at high volume.

i was most curious about this also but the zxa5 had clean available headroom after the ETX was pushing hard into limiting. But the ETX can maintain great sound quality even when being over driven by an inexperienced dj, I have learned to never ever take that chance with a zxa5 or you will see smoke.

Being that I work with and provide sound for many different dj's of varying skill level the EV ETX15P is the better tool for the job.

@Pdidy during this test, which mode were you using the etx15p on? Live or music?
pdidy 11:59 PM - 20 May, 2016
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@Pdidy during this test, which mode were you using the etx15p on? Live or music?

live, i believe its highly recommended over music mode.
Culprit 4:20 AM - 21 May, 2016
I like to test all my audio speakers with coldpays parachutes album.
Culprit 4:21 AM - 21 May, 2016
It's gatta be the CD tho, no mp3 files. Wav rips even. I use the CD it's self.
Dj scratchmaster jeff 11:47 PM - 11 February, 2017
Hi Guys , does anybody have any experience with regards to the RCF Dps 3000 amplifier.
pdidy 2:11 AM - 12 February, 2017
No but this is a good site to check forums.prosoundweb.com
pdidy 5:28 AM - 9 March, 2017
OMG, JTR is about to put out a sub that will destroy my VRX918sp and cost less smh.....
Captivator 118pro goes down to 18hz and can do 133db (136db peak)....
Whats really crazy is these specs will destroy everything in its range and only cost $1499 for the active version.....WOW www.facebook.com

The new Captivator 212pro www.facebook.com
Culprit 7:13 AM - 9 March, 2017
Dope
Taipanic 7:17 AM - 9 March, 2017
Quote:
OMG, JTR is about to put out a sub that will destroy my VRX918sp and cost less smh.....
Captivator 118pro goes down to 18hz and can do 133db (136db peak)....
Whats really crazy is these specs will destroy everything in its range and only cost $1499 for the active version.....WOW www.facebook.com

The new Captivator 212pro www.facebook.com


The 212 will go down to around 35 well and weigh in at 70 lbs powered. I'll be picking up a few and getting rid of the Yorkville and ZXa1 subs. Still plan on ordering 2 more Orbit Shifters at some point also.
Culprit 7:20 AM - 9 March, 2017
Wonder what the wood is, liteply? 3/8" natural birch?
Taipanic 7:46 AM - 9 March, 2017
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Wonder what the wood is, liteply? 3/8" natural birch?

JTR usually uses 15mm Baltic Birch, void free, Grade BB
Culprit 8:21 AM - 9 March, 2017
Heavy wood. I work with tons of different woods. Wonder how he is keeping the weight down with 15mm Baltic Birch Wood plus the amplifier and the speaker and coating.
pdidy 8:22 AM - 9 March, 2017
FYI, for those not familiar with JTR speakers they are a very small company who designs high-quality speakers for professional use and high-end home theater. They are equivalent in quality to other high-end speaker companies like Danley and bassboss. This new sub by JTR is in direct competition with the $3468.00 each Bassboss ZV18 which sells for more than twice the price of the JTR Captivator 118pro.
Joee 12:10 PM - 9 March, 2017
Quote:
OMG, JTR is about to put out a sub that will destroy my VRX918sp and cost less smh.....
Captivator 118pro goes down to 18hz and can do 133db (136db peak)....
Whats really crazy is these specs will destroy everything in its range and only cost $1499 for the active version.....WOW www.facebook.com

The new Captivator 212pro www.facebook.com

very nice, I'm digging the double 12"
Culprit 10:57 PM - 26 June, 2017
pdiddy and others, anyone have any experience with possibly running 4 Eminence 10" 8-Ohm Subwoofers in a cabinet?

(4) 8-Ohm Speakers -> 2-Ohm Load
(4) 16-Ohm Speakers -> 4 Ohm Load

I was thinking this with my QSC PLX 1802 -> www.eminence.com
Culprit 11:00 PM - 26 June, 2017
And i mean, 4 10" Speakers in general, not that exact model, was brainstorming and that popped up
DJ Dub Cowboy 12:09 AM - 27 June, 2017
I'd go with a bigger amp but that would work.
pdidy 12:58 AM - 27 June, 2017
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QSC PLX 1802

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pdiddy and others, anyone have any experience with possibly running 4 Eminence 10" 8-Ohm Subwoofers in a cabinet?

(4) 8-Ohm Speakers -> 2-Ohm Load
(4) 16-Ohm Speakers -> 4 Ohm Load

I was thinking this with my QSC PLX 1802 -> www.eminence.com

You need a minimum of 1400watts so the 1802 would be under powered and the PLX3102 PLX3602 would be adequate @ (4) 8-Ohm Speakers -> 2-Ohm Load.
Culprit 6:55 AM - 27 June, 2017
I do own a PLX 3602 actually. I made a minor investment and purchased the eminence designer software to help me calculate inner volume and square port sizes. Starting from scratch on this one.
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