*dropped

Yes, stay tuned!

Hopefully it's not just another Numark mixer with the Rane name and price tag on it.

I'm guessing you're no longer Made in USA. Please keep the quality top-tier wherever you're making these things now.

Nice compliment to the people who use to make your gear :)

It's inevitable there will be a new mixer and for the past few years, fall shows have been the spot to release, whereas NAMM use to be the spot.

InMusic kept the engineers and those guys / gals (all 6 of them) are pretty fricken brilliant. None of them would half ass any idea or project, so we'll see what corporate restraints have done to the creativity with this new release. It could be a game changer, it could be a numark with a Rane logo slapped on the side, but I think this first release will set the tone for the future direction of Rane mixers.

there is nothing else on the market that even remotely holds my interest, so I am paying attention. I don't mind it being manufactured overseas if the design is solid.

I am apprehensive about anything that will force me to migrate to SeratoDJ. I just dabbled with it again last week and it so inferior in quality to Scratch Live that it may be a deal breaker to move on from the original 62.

62 mk2 perhaps with performance pad, they will be gunning for the S9s throne

YES!!!!

You CAN make good gear in China. It won't be the same, pride wise, as if it were made here in US by folks who get paid a lot more.

I am interested to see if the name RANE can still deliver or if we will be talking about the "good old days" shortly after it drops.

A mixer Rane wanted to make but Serato would not allow...... le sigh.

Tell us more. We never get to here the behind the scenes stuff.

it has to happen, I'm sure Serato would not mind again seeing how Pioneer is currently winning the battle mixer competition with the S9 which now has Rekordbox DJ support.

I will like a Rane Mixer version where you can use both internal and external FX together at once. and perhaps combine external FX too.

That sort will require some powerful processing unit I'd reckon.

if it's a 62 with pads I guess I'll buy it instantly when it releases

Tracking. Looking forward to hearing from you fellas if the build quality has gone down. Hopefully not

Would be nice to see a new Rane mixer have a USB hub on the back! Maybe even a USB-C option for the new Macbook Pro users.

The Rane 57mkii has only two flaws. No notch on the gains. Both library knobs send the same midi info. FlexFX for the mic would have been good to.

So yeah, let's see.

Never fails, wanted a new mixer, saw rane was dead, bought the best thing i could find for me (S9), and few weeks later instagram says #STAYTUNED.

Fuckers.

Let's hope not directly under the XLRs. That was poor engineering on an otherwise great mixer IMO

Yeah well at least you got a quality mixer!

Waddup Buddy 😄

🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊

can someone leak this thing already...?

Serato? how about a sneaky IG post with it in the background.

I needed a part replaced, InMusic sent me a part which I believe may be newly manufactored.

I believe.

what part?

I'm assuming there was no NDA included.

The clear fader carier plastic cracked. The one they replaced with was white plastic. I might be wrong but I think it's a new part.

Excellent service btw.

Lol, we've learned our lesson there so highly unlikely :P

it will be revealed in the full trailer for Avengers: Infinity War.

and it'll be a Rane controller!

.....with support for ScratchLive!

ScratchLive 3.0!

Will it be made in China or the US?

Backward compatibility with SSL would be the smartest move ever. all my peers that use DJ think that crashes and screen glitches is just normal.

LMAO... Mang, i've tried to gig out with Serato DJ at small parties where I know people and it's no fun DJing and a puckering asshole thinking that mofo is about to crash. I've tried it at home as well. Just not as polished as SSL. Gonna run that Macbook Pro and Rane 62 to the ground. Gonna be like Johnny and his 1.92 and XP, except I'm running 2.5, Mavericks, and Rane 62.

Yep. I just rolled back a friends laptop to mavericks because of Serato DJ. Guess what. SSL works without a hitch. No version of seratoDJ worked at all.

WinXP and ScratchLive 1.9.1/2 FTW....

What's funny is a friend of mine is wiping his laptop of anything Serato DJ related and gonna install 1.9.1.

True story.

Hmm. I'm not getting any crashes or glitches.

Same here.

Rebel and AKIEM.

is DJ working better for you than SSL?

if so, post your computer specs and hardware.

MOST people have no problems with SDJ.

If SSL works, stick with it, but for the love of god stop trying to drag dead code into the future.

It's like a bunch of dudes who can't get over their ex-girlfriends.

No one will put a gun to your head and force you to move. And like most legacy products I am sure there are facebook groups you all can continue to reminisce together.

I haven't used SSL for more than a year. SSL crashed more than SDJ has for me so far.

Using a 2012 MBP.

The machines be knowing that fear is being projected onto them, if you say crash they are going to crash, thus continuing a self reinforced cycle of doubt that gets projected upon said SDJ instance.

It definitely seems that way for some people

That would be a new batch. Not sure if it is the same distributor, but it would be wildly expensive to make another mold for that part, so I lean towards the same vendor without really knowing the answer. But I do know Rane didn't have any white carriers.

No 3S with that new Rane Mixer, I could care less.

MBP13 2012. Referb, last of the optibays. 2.5 i5
osx 10.11.6

Never had an issue with SDJ. I was getting crackling at the end of the night with another MBP which I could never figure out. At this point my guess was the usb port getting old, or some thing. But I'm solid now, two drives.

Yup that's what I figure, mold looks exactly the same. I don't know much about plastic, but seems like clear cracks easier than other plastic.

You think the flaws of SDJ would be ironed out by now. It's been a few years. Yet we still hear complaints. That has to count for something.

SSL was flawless. I still run into the occasional issue with SDJ

I run a similar comp, 2011 MBP with optibay.

I can get SDJ to work, I've been working with it since 1.0. I pretty much used it exclusively for a couple years then I switched back to SSL because I was tired of a buggy sticker lock in SDJ and it was like a relief. The program just went into the background and I focused on the music.

My complaints are all based on subtle differences but they all add up to a user experience that is night and day difference. I would love SDJ to work better than SSL, I'll keep trying but I'm fairly positive a refurbed 2012 MBP to replace my workhorse of a laptop is going to be purchased before any new mixer that doesn't work with SSL.

using DJ for the last 2 years exclusively. I haven't opened SSL in like a year. No problems on my 2012 macbook pro

I run DJ on a 2013 Macbook air. Have not run into any issues yet. Regularly connect to both S9's and 900's and SL3's.

Other than the tiny screen lockups when moving crazy fast in the library its been solid.

Its funny this weekend my gig has a 62, so fired up ssl the other day for the first time in months just to fuck around and it feels old looking now.

^^^^^^
THIS!

Let me add that I use it in a minimal way and gave up on anything more advanced. Instant Doubles and one effect. No Sampler, Link, or anything else.... I also always have Ableton running audio jacked in the mkii. And I would likely use SSL if the mkii worked, because they only difference for me ends up being the choice between the Dub Echo effect, and the whatever that Dub Slow down effect was in SSL. Sigh.... Ive given up....

I've been running SeratoDJ since day one with no issues. I think DJ's are paranoid.

If it wasnt for my beloved DDJ-SP1 I would probably be back on scratch live with dicers

Any guess on the unveiling? My guess is during the DMC Finals and the winner will get a gold plated one.

isn't the dmc sponsored by pioneer now

The stay tuned message is being made in tandem with the DJ Expo, more than likely then.

i bet its a 62 mk2 with rubber pads to compete with the pioneer S9

Hopefully.... the shitty buttons on my 62 have failed.

When I first saw the 62 I actually thought they were rubber. Then I tried it in the store and was disappointed to see they were plastic. Still a great mixer

The most important thing for me would be for it to be class complaint, feel its a safe bet for it to be since the 57MK2 was. If its just an updated 62 with better buttons as Matty stated above, they already have my money.

Rane MP2017!!

Not in the US. I think in Canada they are.

I wouldn't be surprised if they use the rubber buttons off a Akai AFX. In my opinion, they work pretty well.

I hope the layout is more like the TTM-57

I would prefer the 16 pads like the s9 but allowing for independent functions for led and right side - you know, like every single controller on the market outside of the s9.

The 16 pad layout is basically the standard for digital djing these days...

I'm wondering if this is a Numark designed product that will be branded as Rane or a Rane designed product. R&D on a new product can take awhile and the Rane deal only closed a year ago. Add to that the shuffling of jobs and general insanity that occurs after a company is purchased and it seems a little soon for them to have a new mixer.

Of course this could have already been in the works at Rane before the sale.

Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't prefer rubber buttons for non-velocity stuff.

the only people they kept were 6 engineers as per goldarn's post above (former Rane employee), so I would expect it to be Rane designed. Sounds like they had something in mind before the sale too that Serato rejected for some reason (likely to maintain good relations with Pioneer and not interfere with the S9) so maybe a lot of the groundwork had already been laid out.

With Pioneer basically trying to force Serato to be 2nd fiddle to Rekordbox DJ via delaying serato support for their products or adding Rekordbox DJ support to formerly exclusive Serato products including the S9, I could see them giving the green light now.

It's great the design and engineering will be the same.

Let's hope the parts and build quality are the same

Will it still be made in the US? Anyone know?

asia.

Boost consumer confidence and offer a 5 year warranty.

I know there doing the #staytuned thing on instagram. They had a video repost of some guy on a boat playing on an MP2014. I asked if they were still making that mixer just to feel them out. There response was #staytuned lol. Not sure if this means they are gonna make a new rotary, or a new mixer or just release info about further production of existing models. Just thought it was interesting it was in direct response to the 2014

Either way just thought I'd share

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This is definitely a piece of kit in the picture, only a side panel but enough to warrant boarding the hype train.

definitely a new chassis and new look, whatever that may be. I have an educated hunch but the wondering game is too fun. I'll be paying attention to whats on offer.

It looks like plastic!
(jk)

^this guy lol
Looks like good ole Rane build quality to me!

I'm doing a big music festival that weekend and I know I'm just going to be on my phone reading about updates...

Looks like the side of a controller.

i agree it's definately more looking like a controller than a mixer ;)
if Rane attacks the controller market it's a great thing imo, if it's a 2 channel controller I am buying it.

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Battle Mixer?

Gear heads won't like this, but honestly, it will need some pretty groundbreaking features to make me depart from my beloved 62. I was contemplating the S9 and I thought why the hell would I want to pay 2k plus for some new coloured rubber pads? The crossfader is nice, I'll give them that.

I'm looking forward to what rane has to offer to see if the quality is still there and if they can set the bar higher and introduce some new features. The midi capabilities of the 62 were phenomenal definitely raised the bar. I hope they can bring some innovation.

I hope it's a state of the art battle mixer

RANE DJ IS BATTLE-READY FOR DJ EXPO!

MUKILTEO, WA USA (August 1, 2017)—Rane DJ (Rane), an established innovator in the DJ industry, noted for their leading-edge solutions coupled with unequalled reliability and customer service, today announced that they will introduce two important and exciting new products to the professional DJ market at this year’s DJ Expo in Atlantic City. The new models mark a dramatic and impressive move for Rane DJ to the forefront of the DJ stage.
Over the past 12 months Rane’s Seattle Washington based engineering team has been hard at work bringing this amazing new gear to life. The same engineering team that set the standards for Rane’s rock-solid performance-based mixers has been collaborating with world-class DJs and their crews to develop new DJ performance tools, the likes of which the industry has never been seen before. Rane calls these unprecedented new products Battle Ready. These new introductions will definitely set a new benchmark of excellence for the industry. More detail on these latest products will be forthcoming as DJ Expo draws closer.
To go along with their ground-breaking new products, Rane is also announcing the addition of Brand Manager JP Mathurin (DJ FATFINGAZ) to their team. Mathurin is a seasoned, enthusiastic DJ veteran whose experience and skills are a perfect complement to Rane’s upcoming product lineup.
With these new products, Rane is sending a powerful message to professional DJs all over the world and our loyal, demanding customers that we’re present in a big, big way,” said JP Mathurin, Brand Manager for Rane DJ. He added, “This will be a breakthrough year for Rane as we push the boundaries of performance, quality and innovation to new heights of excitement. All we can say is you’ve been warned.” •••••
Ty guys in advance, there work to be done!





That insta post says products, plural.
They also seem to be pushing the 'same as it's ever been' angle.
I think they have every variation of mixer covered, aside from MkII versions with 16 pads.
"new DJ performance tools" - says controller to me.

Do y'all know who Fatfingaz is?
He's part of the Heavy Hitters (DJ Enuff/Hot97), and a bonafide killer on the fader.

I'd never heard of him before but saw him at a spot in NY, and that dude is L-E-G-I-T.

So, connecting the dots, if HE says the mixer is battle ready, this may really be something to look forward to...

Would not surprise me st all of the new corporate ownership put controllers on the agenda. That's where the market is. That's where the money is at. Unfortunately

a battle controller?
ha

i dont want some plastic shit, i want rane quality made in USA, not in China!

China makes stuff as specified no?

whatever they're making I'm probably going to want it.

time to sell my old 62??

Dude, iPhones and tons of top tier electronics are made in China. YES, it would be nice to have it made domestically, but plenty of quality things come out of that country.

this is one thing, the other thing is that inmusic buys rane, close the factory and a lot of peopels losing their job. for what ? money ..

I get that stuff made in china can be good but honestly its just so much reassuring to know that its made in the good old US of A. I guess we can only wait and see.

Well, it's not a charity so I don't know what you expect?

LOL

Its not a coal mine, bro

China can make good stuff, I'd prefer US based though. The thing that will be hard to replicate anywhere, china, us or otherwise was the fact Rane USA had the same people hand building units for decades.

There was practically no turnover at Rane and that means we all (60 of us) could build these things perfectly in our sleep by hand and also anticipate production issues. Rane USA (Linda & Dennis) treated and payed everyone there with respect.

That same respect was poured back into your units by the employees. We were strict on what could leave our doors, we hand manipulated solutions, tested and tested more, basically we gave a shit because YOU the dj was always our focus at Rane.

Obviously the focus wasn't so much on the dollar, if so, quality would have faded long ago in an effort to keep the business alive. Thank you all for the support back then and your continued support for the old Rane regime. It's nice to hear we were doing it right.

I'm looking forward to what they drop, how soon it hits shelfs and how long it takes for them to drop prices or offer discounts. Rane NEVER dropped it's price. Pioneer releases something and if you wait 8 months, you can get it half price. I wonder if InMusic will do the same?

p.s. I'm rocking the 62 and don't see myself changing. SSL, 62 & osx10.6.8!

lmao

Here's my thing though... do people REALLY need new dj gear?

My techs are the same ones I originally got 13-14 years ago. I've had others but still have the original ones I bought. Still rocking a 57 and 909. No issues. Still have SL1 (don't use it but it works, SL3 works just fine. Not to mention a ton of other mixers that collect dust but work just fine.

I mean obviously new djs need the new gear, but other than that it's just us wanting to buy new shiny things for the most part, right?

i would have saved so much money if i had never let go of my orig techs and 57. jeez i wasted a lot of money

I can't say I've wasted money (shhhhh) in upgrading. But I will spend money one something dope. For me the MKII is near perfect, and it would be hard to buy a new version even if it fixed the couple things. But the claim from Rane is something new and killer. I kinda doubt tho. The things I would like to see are probably more particular to me.

Better buttons, move the nonperformance buttons back down to front, xy effect pad, what could it be?

I would love a better One Deck solution, but that can't be what it is.

I've saved a ton by staying off the blogs LOL

But in all seriousness, there hasn't really been a "revolutionary" dj mixer since the 57 dvs wise (at least I can't think of one). Everything else has been an improvement on it.

Until a company officially and on a consumer level slaps the an ssd/hd with built in dvs with display in a mixer, I technically DON'T NEED a new mixer unless the ones I have stop working.

It has been a long time since there was a piece of tech that did something so complete, and only it could do it. As you said, everything else has been an improvement on it.

Hard to see where you can continue to revolutionize, but then again, only a handful of people ever have such a groundbreaking idea. I'd love a touch responsive, hologram technics. That'd be cool.

And of course let me remind everyone that I had that idea, made a working 'prototype' and was using it in clubs before the 57 dropped. yes.



Hologram battles!

hmmm, since they are specifically talking about battles. One thing I don't think you really need is the computer. I don't think you really even need a touch screen, but if you could pop in an SD drive or usb, that would be sick (not sure about revolutionary). Not sure I would want to do many club gigs, but for battling or rap shows. The thing that would always be a draw back is surpassing Seratos (flawed) library.

I would love to tap one button and scratch effect file loads.... serato could do that as well.

Rane could improve buttons, and effect sending type stuff.

This would a display for track search/load and I'd be all over it. Eliminate the computer. Or use the computer to download music and such but load tracks onto a thumb drive or ssd then to the mixer.

with* not would

For the record the official 57MKIIs flaws are:
1. Both Library encoders send the same midi message. Can't use them for separate functions. Was hoping that would be fixed.
2. Absent gain knob indents. Sucks for instant doubles.
3. Loose type tall buttons. They should offer those low profile, cut below the face plate.
4. Needing jumpers for the FlexFX not used
5. Routing the aux/mic to efx

Agreed. Even led display instead of touch screen. Guess some people would hate on it. But theres still a good number of DJ's against the screen all staring...

These are a real bummer.

On the original 57 I was particularly disappointed about no EQ for Aux in, and no FlexFX for the Mic.

I was expecting a battle mixer. Good way for inMusic to market their Denon turntables.

Me also

Fatfingaz is a dope turntabilist. Watchwww.youtube.com

He was just hired to be a part of the Rane team.

A battle mixer, and a....... deck?
(a Hanpin deck? someone would die)

Tell me about it! I sold my M5Gs four years back, only to eventually end up buying (then selling) a pair of PLX-1000s. Then, this month I bought a pair of mint MK5s. Countless mixers, carts, MIDI controllers and PA equipment bought and sold (usually at a substantial loss). I'm not selling these Techs for anything. I'm keeping them til' they completely crap out and/or I can no longer secure parts for them. Mixers, on the other hand, are something that makes sense to update periodically. New features warrant the update.

I've got a theory as to what this new Rane mixer could be. Since it seems that a couple of InMusic's brands are shifting toward not needing a laptop (MPC Live/SC5000), perhaps they used their deep pockets to acquire Thud Rumble's "Invader Mixer" and are going to slap a Rane logo on it. That's the only revolutionary thing left in the Mixer world. A Mixer that can run any program (Traktor, SDJ, Djay 2, VDJ) all without the necessity of a laptop.

I mean, Thus Rumble were claiming that the Invader Mixer would have been out by now and all I've heard of it are crickets. It would certainly shake up the DJ world for sure!

THAT
WOULD
BE
AMAZING!

And that is something I'd buy. Otherwise, I'm good.

SC5000 but with spinning, direct drive platter that we've all been wanting.

Interesting. But I doubt it would be a PC OS. InMusic could do as they did with new MPCs. Whatever system that is. My guess is its too soon for that. Maybe not. I do like the idea of a performance touchscreen and the computer separate for prep work.

Numark will probably do a V7 MK2 judging by their response of "be careful what you wish for" when asked about a newer model. Check the comments
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I'd love to see a SC5000 with motorized platter tho

Since the conversation is veering in this direction, is the mixer the place to put the computer. Being a part of the post DVS DJ group, i can say that the appeal of removing the laptop has been a fascination even for me despite it being my introduction to the world of DJ'ing. Every attempt and product in which a market point is "you don't have to look at the laptop" is always intriguing, but has the laptop become so ubiquitous to DJ'ing or is something like that thud rumble mixer with the interface built in of course the way forward ?

my hopes as well!!

5500 :)

Whats funny about this is that they will come full circle (no pun intended) from the HS-5500 which was a single dual deck spinning platter player, which came with no CD player. This was my first piece of DJ gear, will always hold a special place in my heart.

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; ) yall will be happy!

Looks like we got our first leak! DJ Perly won the DMC finals and was presented with the Rane 72!

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From a friend that was at the DMC finals.

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🤔 & 😲 at the turntable usb inputs.

Shit..... Three racks out the window. I need a new hobby.

$1,899!

I'm OFFICIALLY in LUST with this sexy lil bitch. THE SHOT HEARD ROUND THE WORLD. ...In other news PIO dropped the price of the S9 to $1499.

Damn if the street price can hit 1599, Rane is back. Now the mystery is the turntables.

Yah Rane is ganna release a turntable, wtf!

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Maybe motorized platters that plug straight in, and eliminate the need for tonearms and needles.

I'm Game, but I'm also game for a Rane Turntable

yep

Presumably thay would still have them to play regular vinyl, or maybe a turntable with a usb port and also some akin to the V7 due to the Numark/inMusic connection.

that's a big screen...

Don't forget the CV! lol!


That is pretty much what I'm thinking at this point....

This is the opportunity Rane was waiting for to segway into the controller game....

Rane Turntable??? (I hope not!)

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Lol@meek vs Drake.

What is this?

Scratch live on a remote screen docked behind the mixer.
If looking to get such a setup, check out Packed Pixels. -> www.packedpixels.com
(Im not working for Packed Pixels, just a happy customer)

I thought some small integrated dvs solution. Thanks.

New photo on Instagram

This is something I tried. For screen placement guess over ten years ago now. The one thing I can tell you is that you are going to want a 45 degree angle on the screen. So I'm a little disappointed the screen isn't more Akai MPC like, or tiltable. I'm sure they ruled that out for other reasons. This you might feel in your back (unless you already do the bend over dj tecnique)

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Thank you Rane for putting the footswitch back in the battle mixer.

It looks very "Rane" which is somewhat comforting.

Rane to Pioneer
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boom

USB turntable inputs? - they know something we don't.
Can't think of any USB turntables you would want to put either side of a 72.
They did also say new products (plural), so... fingers crossed.

...and DJ Worx noticed that below the screen on the 72 it says TouchFX, so I'm going to assume that's a touch screen.

So.... anyone flinching and selling their 62 or s9 yet?

Is it me or does this thing seem super tall? Small Dj?

Reloop?
Audio Technica?

I need to replace all the buttons on my 62 to get it sale ready, but if seriously considering it.

Reviews on the build quality of the Denon gear is making me less nervous about the manufacturing move.

This is everything I wanted the s9 to be and more.

Maybe a 74?

Dang, I hope you can load sounds in this thIng tho...

Stealing from the S9 playbook was unavoidable. The S9 effects lever works pretty damn well.

Yup my Reloops would look good on either side 🤙🏾

To be fair Pioneer stole alot from rane

Here we go! More info!

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I've always enjoyed / appreciated Marks reviews.

Here's what Mark over at DJ Worx had to say earlier today!
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Enough with the damn hype and teasing, just tell us already Rane.

I hear you get us told what it is!!

I don't see all those people that purchased the S9 switching to the new Rane I just don't see what could possibly motivate the switch.

If it was standalone dvs (which it's not) it would make everyone jump ship

Correct but from what I'm seeing right now ( just pics on IG) I don't see anything that would make some one say "I'll get rid of my S9 to get this" now if I had a 62 I would definitely trade it in.

im sure there are still a lot of folks deciding on whether to grab and s9 or another mixer.

It will be interesting to see how pioneer will respond.

s9's could be selling at 1000$ by 2018, used market might even be worse with the s9v2

For me a 62 vs S9 is an easy one for one simple reason; built-in fx. As someone who plays vinyl here and there I like a mixer to still be a mixer (aside from DVS) with standalone features especially at those hefty price tags.

Another reason (and I know some of you guys will hate to hear this) is still works with SSL. hehe

Yup, still hate SDJ, I said it.

Wait I take that back, looks like S9 does have onboard fx. had no idea. But yeah being able to use is a very nice touch on the 62.

Yup, the S9 does have very nice on board fx and filter, and it handles the serato fx well.
However, you cannot stack hardware and software fx using the S9.
I own both the S9 and the 62, the S9 is my favourite. Still very curious about this new one though :-D

I like that they kept the FLEX FX Loop on the 62 as well. I have a Pio RMX-1000

I don't doubt this at all. I have a feeling a MK2/V2 in the works soon.

Or even a R9 rekord box version...

True, but I figure that's what the 450 and all there bigger flagship mixers are for.

S9 goes Rekordbox Compatible in 5.0

ah ok word.

Got it!

The 72 looks good, but with the limited info we have, it does't bring anything substantially different from the S9. Only obvious upgrades to the S9 that werent deal breakers (that Pioneer is probably already working on)
*Inability to stack effects
*Not able to have each side of pads have different functions
*2 mics

If you're a Rane-only dude than this is a no-brainer. But us cats who already have the S9 aren't gonna be moved to buy it unless there is something else Rane is hiding.

I do think this might make Pioneer be more committed to serato in the future and not just treat serato like a step child. Rane will keep Pio honest

Agree there just isn't something to make me say I'm trading my S9 for this one...but maybe we're not the target maybe the target is those undecided/ 62 owners ...although most people that have kept the 62 have kept it because of backwards compatibility with SSL.

basically this.

Still why certain venues have a 62 as well.

unless this thing comes out at around the $1300-$1500 mark... it's gonna be a tough battle against the S9

Well, yeah - especially if you're 62 works fine and they're not really bringing anything "new", per se, to the table. I heard it's gonna be priced around 1800.

I would have gotten an S9 just for rental purposes but nobodys requesting it because most turntable DJ's in NYC still use scratchlive with 57's and 62's including me.

Let's be honest though, SSL maybe really stable, but a big contributing factor to NYC DJs on SSL is because of venues not upgrading. It is nice to just show up with a laptop and DJ though

This is true.

But we still hate SDJ. I see a 62 at a booth, i'm like phew. I see a 900SRT and i'm like here we go with my arms up in the air. Which is why I just carry an SL3 with me just in case even though I would love to just, like you said, show up with a laptop. Don't get me wrong I have my moments where I just say fuck it and use SDJ, but i just don't like it at all lol.

No way this thing comes in under $1800 with that snazzy display.

I'm sticking with the S9 simply because of how the controls are laid out. Feels somewhat like a classic Vestax. I was hoping Rane released something laid out more traditionally like the TTM-57SL

Agreed, yeah that would've been nice. I'm a Rane guy all the way, minus my old 707 and 909, but this 72 is kinda ugly i must admit.

I've got the S9 and a 62 collecting home studio dust.

Inability to have the pads in different pages is a bummer. I wonder if a firmware update can fix this.

I will probably buy the 72 after a year of its release leaving room for bugs and for the price to settle. I'm not sure if I need it but I'm allowed one vanity purchase every other year.

I wonder if those Mag faders will work with the 62. My crossfafer is a bit stiff.

I stopped carrying my SL box. Most places in NYC have a 900 or 2000 to plug into with SDJ.

I love my S9, however i wish i waited to get the 72, but dont see much on there that would make me sell and switch yet tho, i dont really layer efx and the pad modes applying to both sides doesnt bother me much.

Ive gotten to like SDJ and SSL feels weird to me now when i go back. I dont really care which mixer it is as long as i dont have to use crappy CDJs.

If I'm honest - I only use one effect on the 62, and I doubt half of my songs have cues on 6-8.
I'm certainly not looking at my 62 and saying - 'you just don't do enough'.
I've definitely seen some nervous people forced to use SDJ on Pioneer gear when they would prefer to run SSL.

The 'new Rane' build quality is quite key. I really like their quality but I have seen some hammered 61's, 62's and 64's in the wild (rubber stripped off the pots, bent cross fader stems, broken cue buttons) so if the manufacturing is cheaper then it will soon show.

If seen this as well and always thought it was shit djs that spill drinks on the mixer, stack their controllers on top of it and so on.

the efx are pretty bad tbh. thats the only thing other than actually trigger the efx that i really dislike about this mixer

I love my s9 and 3 of my residencies has a s9 and 1 has a 62z with a 57sl as backup. I'm pretty happy camper. I wouldnt mind buying the 72 in a year when the bugs are worked out.

The "other" secret device has a code name of TWELVE.

RANE SEVENTYTWO
RANE TWELVE

Twelve meaning a new turntable? Since you know a regular sized vinyl is 12 inches.

no send-return jacks in the back tho

I'M PRETTY SURE IT WILL BE A motorized single deck controller like the v7 BUT a significantly better quality 12" Rane version. Now if they get it right it will be the future standard deck of DMC style battle dj's.......

End of the CDJ? I friggin hate those things. Just doesnt "throw" right to me.

I have a feeling this is just going to be a Numark or Denon designed product with the Rane name slapped on it. There were no rumors of a deck being designed at Rane before the sale and its a bit if a stretch to think they could start from scratch and be ready to market in less than a year.

The one thing I must say about Rane is the shell was metal (not plastic). You don't have to worry about paint chipping. I've had my 64 over 4 years and it is still in mint condition.

If serato can make a deal with inmusic since they inherited scratchlive license with purchase of rane. The money making deal for both camps like
- Let the rane 72 be backward compartable with scratchlive and Serato dj.
- have serato charge $150 for a scratch live license then 50$ for major upgrades. The users pay this fee if they want scratch live as an option.


If they do that they will sell more units and also make more money off of scratchlive licenses and future upgrades

^^^ lets be real pioneer already has a rekordbox app so with the same reasoning inmusic / rane should own scratchlive. So they can level up with pioneer

That will put pioneer in check

Yup

Like checkmate!

I'm pretty sure Rane is prohibited by Serato to use their SSL source code for any new products. Remember, the 57mkII is SDJ-only as well.

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too many electronic dudes are in love with CDJs and Rekordbox for something like this to put anything close to a dent in their market dominance. This is strictly for the tablists and scratchers and the tiny minority of people that still love spinning platters even to just mix.

The damaged ones I have seen have been in nightclubs and radio stations. Heavy drunken usage. Having some myself I reckon it must be quite heavy handed to cause that damage.

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Mojaxx, if you're listening PLEASE can we have a side by side comparison with the S9

Sound wise , using DVS / real vinyl , how do both mixers compare?

Can you tell the difference in sound quality?

Thanks

you can definitely hear a difference between the mixers. The S9 has a brighter sound (almost too bright) and almost sounds like someone stuck a high shelf EQ on the master channel.

The 62 sounds a little flatter and has a bit more of a warm sound.

It's really more personal preference at that level.

Thank you

🙁 12" is too big and brings nothing more compared to current turntables.
I would have prefer a compact 10" or 9" like the sc3900 or scs1.d

Back to th Rane 72, the things I like are:

- Jazzy Jeff told that the S9 was the 909 on steroids but this 72 is the real 909/62 on steroids ! I'm even wondeing why Pioneer hasn't chosen this design for the S9...

- Fx section and the screen 😍

- 2 mics

- 3 new mag three faders

- 2 turntable usb which are also usb hubs

- Same material as the 62 so it's a tank!

The things I don't like are:

- le global layout is too "packed"

- the browse knob close to the fx banks knob => source of mistakes

- the fx levers are too close to the pad mode buttons => source of mistakes also

- the big knobs in front (crossfader curves...etc) => could be bended or accidentally turned

I have both the 62 and s9....the 62 sounds better, especially when using scratch live...I've always wished my 62 had the s9 pads so I'm definitely excited about the 72...

It's interesting to read on other blogs that rane had the 72 in development long before the s9 came out and had to scratch it because of the company buy out with inmusic..they saying the pads and effects switch on the s9 was rane's idea first..not sure if this is true though

you got some links?

The S9 also came out a year before inmusic announced they purchased rane, but I know key people started to leave Rane before the sell. I think Michael May left around a year before the purchase? Who knows

Huh??? what do you call this then?

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Man, that'd be a miracle. But I'm sure that scratch is owned by serato anyway so I doubt that would ever happen.

No return send on the 72 he means. By the way, what are those used for?

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For something like the RMX 1000 its an effects unit if I'm not mistaken.

Ah ok, i see what he meant. Yeah no send return on the 72. Maybe because it has a hefty library of onboard fx.

The send return is used for external efx unit. Like I pio EFX 500/1000 or Rmx 500/1000. Or looping units. I own some old efx units and loopers from other companies back in the day.

exactly. That's what the FX loop is for. Music from the mixer goes to the fx unit, fx is then sent back to mixer. I noticed Pio removed that from the T1 and the S9. Back in the day almost every pro battle mixer had send-renturns and a footswitch input.

Although, you might be able to get away with using the session in/out since the have dedicated volume knobs, BUT i'm not sure how it would how it would know to route it with FLEX FX. I feel like Akiem would know the answer to the one. It's too early for me to wrap my head around that one.

Surely they're using the knowledge they've gained from developing the Numark V7. BTW... these were really great devices!!

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Yeah but boy where they power hogs those things took a ton of power but they were awesome

Yeah they are really great.

I think by eliminating the FX routing they are saying their effects are so good you dont need an external effects unit ( may be ). You should be able to use output and a session in. The difference would be the FlexFX switch which mute/unmutes the signal. Most external effects units dont have a mute input. That would be important for post fader effects, especially the delay trailing after the signal is cut.

I assume they have the post fader delay worked out proper.

Wonder what I would use to trigger instant doubles on the 72.

Rane Code 12, maybe it will control 2 or more decks. Hope its motorized.

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Is this real?..this could be dope and I just got the VL12's might have to return em.

Nah, we've been asking for Rane to make a deck for years. Thats just a request.

Too bad DJs wont accept a rotary encoder pitch/speed control instead of a fader. That way the it could control more than one deck without a motorized fader.

*From the DJ Hookup*

Just got off the phone with our friends at Rane/InMusic.

Here is what we learned about the Seventy-Two and the return of Rane.


- Seventy-Two has 3 re-engineered faders, with magnetic (not mechanical) tension adjustment and better durability than previous generations.
- We've confirmed that the screen will indeed be a touch screen, though likely with more functionality than pure FX control (couldn't get further clarification).
- The base price will be $1,899 (as always, ask us for a hookup via chat/email, because that's what we do) and ETA is roughly Q4.
- In addition to this mixer, Rane will be bringing back the SL4, a limited edition MP2015 AND another major release, which we couldn't get further clarification on at this point.

*** We'll send full details of all items next Monday morning, including official Seventy-Two and not-yet named media player specs. To be the first to find out, go to thedjhookup.com and subscribe now. ***

Has anyone attempted rotary control for pitch before, being of the new post Serato generation of DJ's it's been something ive always wondered. Or even a touch strip 🤔

Agipridj.con will be one of the first to get the units as well, no sales tax and free shipping I believe. Let's nots thread jack with spam, thanks

Nobody is "thread jacking." Just a copy/paste to inform folks on the news. Buy from whomever you please! ;)

Sorry, don't mean to be such a nerd about it. Once one dude starts the rest follow suit and the tread goes to trash

Lol!!! You said not to spam while you were spamming!!!!!

I haven't seen anything. I've tried to set it up several times with SDJ, doesn't work the greatest.

How did the V7 handle switching between decks?

Yeah your right, I was kinda pushing to level the playing field a little.. my bad

It will also be at Gutar Center
(where sales won't know shit about it)

I hope so, I want to touch one before I fork out for it.

LMAO facts tho!

its not much of a rotary knob in size but i always map mine out on my x1 bottom knob and it works pretty well. keeps my setup with a small footprint and its accurate(the two efx buttons on the x1 are the +- nudge)

No worries!

the back of a 62. This is the back of the 72: ibb.co

is that $1899 MSRP or retail?

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Any word on if the one that hits the streets will have a detachable IEC (powe) cable? The one if b those pics appeares to be part of the mixer

The mixer is dual voltage, so I'm certain the IEC cable is detachable.

think it's just an angled IEC connector which is why it looks a little weird.

There's a soft takeover, ie a led indicating where the pitch fader need to go.
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Nah, it looks like a angled detachable one....

I'm more interested in the Turntable/Motorized player than the mixer to be honest the S9 has more than enough features for my playing style. But I play mostly Latin music so I might be in the minority

I play Latin music too. S9 sounds horrible in comparison to the Rane 57mk2

hmm I had that 57MKII and returned it right away I didn't like that mixer at all but as far as sound you're prob right.

We covered all that already. The confusion was we were talking about the 62 (at least I was) but you mentioned the 72. lol

wow, I never knew that. Doubt that would have persuaded me, having to calabria switch. If it were motorized, or rotary..... the small plater is the other thing. I couldn't stand looking all that wasted space around it.

Sacrilegious

For those looking forward to the alleged player, would you be okay with a V7 esque deck with a 10 or 12 inch platter.

I've been holding out for 12. Guess I could settle for 10 at this point if everything else is perfect

(but it's code named "12")

I liked the V7, would prefer a 10inch platter - However, I just prefer normal turntables in general. I like the versatility since I still play wax. I feel like things like this will only push turntables out of venues. CDJs already did this to some extent.

I think this would be great for mobile use. Platter better be motorized too. I hate a static platter.

Hate to have to bring up the post laptop DJ aspect in reference to myself but because it informs alot of my prospective, kinda have to.

I know people bring up there being a different when using a turntable or CD Deck as opposed to vinyl or straight from the player but Is a big driver in the desire for such player/controller more direct control within the software and the fact that more than likely the user is more times than not using software.

What exactly about the TTM57mk2 did you not like? Just curious, cheers..

Yes. That's what Ive always found laughable about the CDJ. (aside from using it to scratch, which no one does) It's just a jog wheel. Any type of knob would work to dial in bpm. No one is throwing cuts in... tap tap tap

True story, before Serato, I ordered one for rap shows - I thought the shit was broke because it didn't spin.

I'd be fine with 10"

The 9" platters on my SC3900s are just fine for me.

Pretty much what I hate about them lol

Everytime the SC3900 is brought up my heart hurts a little with the regret of having to have sold mine. To me it was just about perfect. If Denon releases even an updated version with a screen smaller than the SC5000 and add dual output, id be one of the happiest people.

It's the best available right now, but I wish it were HID instead of using the tone. Also find there's a decent amount of sticker drift (although not as bad as the 3700 I hear), and I wish the cue buttons were in a better place.

HID was the only thing missing, although i always had a great experience using the hybrid mode. The only issue which was benign, would be random switches to internal mode, i mapped one of the buttons to go back to Relative mode when this occurred.

the pads suck big time, No onboard effects HPF/LPF is mediocre and it was probably my fault at the time but it didn't play nice with my turntables but that was prob me. LOL

Hmmmm. Pads are fine with me and I don't really even like soft pads....

I'll confirm turntables were explored at Rane. I won't say why it wasn't pursued, but there was work put into it.

Good Ole regular turntable's or Midi one's 🤔

When are you going to write the tell-all book of what went down and all the products in the works that were scrapped. Did you sign an NDA when you left?

....I think I will be annoyed if that touch screen only has effects, and not samples and/or dvs.

I doubt it's gonna have DVS judging by the size of it (I want that too). My guess is FX most likely, MAYBE samples too. In all honestly, stand alone hardware would be amazing.

Well. You know dvs doesn't really require any screen real estate after the track is loaded. I know people like to stare at the screen but there's not really any reason to.

If it loads a sample, why not manipulate it? Maybe it's too soon, but I think it's inevitable

My guess is the screen will be for the Touch FX and since there's a "View" button, possibly vertical Serato waveforms and maybe a library view. Fingers crossed!

Here is my prediction:

Screen is actually for DVS, displaying vertical waveform just like the good ole Scratch Live.

The USB Turntable Ins are for the CV signal from the turntable or from a spinning platter media player just like the V7.

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Is this going to have "BEAST MODE" like the 62????

HA! awesome post is awesome.

I'd anticipate some pretty cool things from the touch screen. X and Y axis for your effects, waveforms, library, routing ect. are all possibilities.

Well then. I stand corrected.




Still wish for standalone and no computer though. Like imagine DVS with just a mixer and two analog turntables and timecode wax.

What I meant by that is track search. I was thinking in terms of what a CDJ has.

No, dont be so quick to trust that......its photoshoped. but i hope the feature is real.

If you look carefully, it's not a "photoshoped" fake/modified pic, but it's a real concept with rendering effects so I think it was one of the concepts directly designed by Rane ...

So I really believe we will have this waveform view like on the NS7III ...

It's just a pity that it's a vertical screen, an horizontal one could have be used for library view also ... So Pioneer if you're reading this for the S9 mk2 ... 😉

I think the screen will be able to show the serato waveforms but doubt it will be standalone.

If it is standalone though, then there must be a way of editing beatgrids from the hardware like you can do on the ns7ii. Or maybe sort your crates on the laptop and transfer the whole set to the mixer.

Either way it's pointless to me because there's no way I'll be able to afford it lol

Lol, youtu.be

Dope

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From a Facebook group, also shows the Twelve.

dayum! Mixer looks waaaaay less ugly from that angle.

Here's my thing though, why not make the platter 10" or something for more portability? What's the point of 12" decks if you can't play a 12" vinyl record on it anyway since there's no tonearm. Did they do this strictly so that it sits flush with the mixer? I also feel like this could have been a product from Rane years ago. Numark did this already 8-9 years ago!

I guess I wish it could have been a hybrid turntable where you could still play vinyl if you wanted to.

Wonder if it will play from a USB/Thumb drive

Kinda odd if its 100% tied to DJ software

:/

No screens in sight

I feel like all these odd decisions come off as being at the mercy of serato. They all feel like hail mary passes.

May not be a need since the screen is on the mixer?

Dope how they carried the tough Rane look.

I'm happy it's full 12.

Why though?

Because that's what I'm used to.
(and I don't have trump hands)

Wondering how much Rane will sell this simple serato accessory that could not be used without a certified mixer

And here it is folks!

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I'm sure the pricing will be competitive. But if the cost more than an actually turntable, i.e. PLX-1000, Tech 1200, Stanton/Reloop, then I'd be really confused. Maybe I'm just old.

No attempt to speak for you, but there is definitely no confusion, The pricing on it will either make it a very tough sell or a no brainer, no in between.

No 'multi deck' control type stuff.

and that ac plug location might be a problem.

I'm sure you're not using the entire 12" surface...
If you could, try the sc3900 you'll be surprised how much fun you'll have. 9/10" are just so perfect size for all dj tricks !!!

Ah, but it's the same depth as the mixer. Footprint is smaller than a 1200

Like i said, maybe I'm just old. But I don't need a deck that does this when I already have one that does this and can play wax. Maybe I just need to "get with the times"

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Got it! S9 with a screen lol

now stare at the mixer instead of the computer, necks are in for workout

I already do that now anyway. lol

I’d buy the Denon SC-5000 before I buy this 12”. With one 5000 I can play two decks.

With one 12 you can control 4 decks

Explain...

From the pictures we were not supposed to see there are 4 deck select buttons under the touch strip/cue button thingy.

Exactly

So where the usb with the music goes? You still need a computer?

Oh shit, what if the pitch fader actually is motorized?

Yeah, I was just about to make this point.....yes, you can control 4 decks w' one "12", but you still require a laptop. The "12" is nothing more than a MIDI controller for SeratoDJ.

Pretty much, the Twelve is essentially a fancier midi control. No audio component.

Basically. It's a reloop 8000 deck without the tonearm.

I need glasses...

The new Seventy Two has Turntable USB's specially for this mixer. So will the MP2015 LE.

Don't see why I couldn't use them with the Reloop RMX 90 then since it also has 3 USB ports 🤔

Something tells me they would be proprietary at first to create sales for Rane.

Yeah you could be right but considering the Reloop is a dvs supported mixer that'd be dumb on RANE's and Serato's part.

Going over the picture again, it is mentioned that the Twelve can be connected to either the 72 or one's computer so presumably they would with with any mixer that has USB inputs.

HID mode coming soon.

Ohhhhh shit!
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WTF a "review" without the product even being there!? I'm mad I even clicked on that link.

if those USB ports don't also act as a USB hub for non Rane TWELVE users I imagine there will be many panties in bunches.

That would be nuts. I'm pretty sure they can be used as hubs too. It's almost the standard on all digital soundcard mixers. Ever since the Z2.

Dual phone charging stations, genius!

Good one!

be sure to turn off your bluetooth. lol.

I'm still skeptical. Mains plug is in a turrible place. Uuuuuge oversight.

I take some of that back, if it's the same size class as a traditional 10" mixer plugs might now make a big difference. At one of my spots I'm forced to use my 1200's disco style, but my 62 fits just fine in the recess. This could still theoretically work.

Price is the key, why spend 4-500 on a midi controller when I can still have the ability to play traditional vinyl? I say that not really wanting to hang on to my records any more, and being fed up with CV and needles.

The right weight would make it palatable, and stuff like sticker drift needs to be 0.

One thing I don't see, is a Line/Mic switch on the Mic input in order to plug guitars for instance.
There are 2 Mic inputs, so they could also have added a OFF/+48 switch to plug studio Mics too.

My good old Rane 68 had these features and it was dope for studio sessions while on tour!
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Maybe technology now allows to have those switches in the hardware or software panel of the mixer somewhere ... I really hope there is, because besides this, all I see is a badass mixer!

WOW! I can't wait to test them out at the DJ Expo!! Looks like I may be selling my Rane 62 & 3900s sooner than I thought.

*NOTE to inMusic Brand*...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KEEP the legacy RANE build quality!!!

Why not use your sound card for such things? This is a DJ mixer after all

Agreed, I have a Mackie 802VLZ3 -> www.amazon.com

Bad ass little mixer, outputs are amazing on them.

Nice. I got a iconnectaudio4. Lets you record iPad, serato, all sorts of stuff into Ableton. It's a keeper 😆

Let's hope this thing can function as a standalone. And the search browser for the songs are good integrated. I just wat to type any word to find the track without the beginning of the trackname.

I am zo glad with the waveform!

It’s the real deal...

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Rane 12: 799$ => FAIL !!!

I want to love the twelve, but that pricing man for a dumb box that only does HID. Also we still don't know how much weight. If it's light then that would be awesome, but who am I kidding here

Damn at that price for the Twelve, hopefully its a situation of the street price being cheaper.

What is "Serato DJ OSA READY"?

MSRP is always high...

And holy shit, I am ditching my SZ (probably keeping my SX2) and going after this setup..

I believe OSA is an acronym for Official Serato Accessory. Essentially native support within Serato DJ.

I would guess about $600 street price.

Still more than most dj turntables, for the mort part.

Very true. $450 would have been a better price.

In the past, I accepted RANE's high price point because I knew their build qualiy & customer service was superior to anything else in the DJ industry!

The problem is that now the inMusic Brand company owns RANE. There are too many unknowns with regards to build quality, reliability & customer service.

For the price of the TWELVE & RANE 72, I EXPECT to have the the same build quality, ROCK SOLID RELIABILITY & EXCELLENT customer service that the legacy RANE company provided!! Only time will tell...

Less expensive than a Reloop 8000, which I like fine but I would much rather have a Rane Twelve.

Price is fine with me. If it works without the 72, I probably get two.

Being Strictly a Serato DJ user, the 12 along side the 72 is pretty much perfect for my style of Mixing. I've always had a affinity to the single deck way. The fact that it can control the 4 decks fixes one of the biggest gripes i had with using instant doubles. I do fall on the side of it being a bit pricy but in the way that i picture my use would be, it would only be possibly with the Twelve.

Who is this targeted at? The 12 and 72 combinatiom? I need specifics. Are the going for club installs/industry standard?

It should work w/o the 72 because it’s OSA.

Then I'm getting at least one.
(Maybe not from the first batch)

I am leary about how it actually handles transitioning between decks.

Assuming the fader is not motorized you would have to reposition it manually... or how does it work?

Was wondering about that too.

I am good with that price point. I have said in the past that I would willing pay more for something with higher standards and build quality that the sea of cheap controllers and mixers.

If it's an OSA, its targeted to us DVS users who have a current S9/62/61/57MK2 or thinking of upgrading to the 72.

If it ONLY worked with a 72 that would be fail.

Going off of how the controllers that support 4 channels and only two decks work, it would have to be manually done. The Denon HS5500 (My First Media Player) worked in this manner as well so I'm personally used to it.

Does the fade become whatever pitch the new track is set at, or do you adjust it match wherever the new track is then it locks? I don't see any indicators which way to move the fader to lock with the new track.

Were going to have to use a nice USB3 dongle.

Remember back in the day they had that custom 7" screen made for Video Disc Jockies and they had a whole article on why we should be using the sabrent USB hubs? Something about each independent channel has an extra feature to keep it dedicated or something?

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I am thinking of this for the future.

No you have to move the fader back to wherever it was to begin with.

It's pain the ass but you get used to it over time.

wow pricing says 952€ for my region, fuck right off rane

I think an SC-5000 + mixer (S9, 62, 57mk2, or the like) is a better alternative, unless you get turn on by spinning latter. With the 5000 it could be used as standalone. But no official word from Serato if the SC-5000 is an OSA yet.

It will connect directly to your computer also

Im waiting for Denon to announce an SC5500. With the previous Dual Deck spinning platter player of their's being the HS5500, the branding is already in place. I would be fine with a smaller screen if it's what it would take to keep the platter from 3900 or even a 10 inch platter. Im sure it will insanely expensive but if it's an improved 3900 with dual channels. it maybe the last thing ever needed.

I will give it six months after they hit the street (hell no on the bugs they will probably have out of the box), but I am DEF going this route.

And sorry people - I was $3500 x 2 in deep for DVJ-X1s when they first dropped along with whatever DJM I had at the time. To cry about the pricing?? Put those big boy pants on if those tiny MSRPs scare you.

Nobody forcing you to buy the unit, relax




I am more of a fan of the motorized platters if we have to shy away from straight vinyl use.

I was hoping someone here will buy them first and do a review. I don't know if I want to be an early adopter of another inMusic Brand product this time around…

I just put my 'big boy pants' on (LOL) so MAYBE I'll take the risk...

Can you save the songs in the mixer ?

Not "standalone"

Waves on the mixer, file browsing on the mixer, why do we need a laptop with this? Seems like a big missed opportunity for them to allow laptopless serato. Couldve stuck a USB input on one of the 12s or something.

yep!

I think that's a next step.

Interesting. The way the dj tech is going, serato will have to adjust and allow/partner with hardware companies to allow the same serato interface without a laptop. Of course dividing up the money will be tricky, but If we are playing chess and not checkers, pioneer has hardware and software and if they put out more products that are stand alone like the S9, it may be checkmate...

That really s*cks !

They should've just did it and put the nail in the coffin already. Serious missed opportunity.

Might have been too big a step or cost issue. Akai Renaissance softare on computer, then stand alone with new MPC. Akai is also InMusic.

I think they just release shit in pieces like any other company. Release this product this year, release something else a couple years later. Stretching out ideas to keep the sales going. I dunno... I could be wrong but it's disappointing.

What software do you guys think it would be running on in the mixer? It would have to be Windows unless you are expecting Serato to rewrite or port the program over to Linux.

This would easily add $1000-$1500 to the price.

What happens if the mixer portion goes out and you don't have a backup of everything inside?

Someone will crack the laptop less aspect at some point, i don't know the exact prices of cpu's at the moment but in just giving thought to what would be necessary to make it happen, it doesn't seem like it's worth it at the moment.

They would have to use an intel processor if it's going to run Serato DJ, and the likely candidate for a processor will be from there mobile processors which run between 250-300 a piece. Add in ram and onboard storage for the Windows and SDJ. Custom drivers to run it all. Keeping up with updates to Windows 10. There are so many variables to consider.

Of course a lot can be reduced if they made their own custom software, but good luck getting people to hop on board, just to not longer need a laptop, where more than likely user's will be editing and managing files anyway.

Given just the small amount of factors i posted and the larger amount of many more things to consider it's easy to see why it hasn't happened yet.

You can use CDJs and a Pio mixer standalone with rekordbox as we speak- NO COMPUTER other than putting/prepping the music for a thumb/flash drive.

This is what raises the question of where do you put the Brains of the system, in the Decks Ala Denon with engine and Pioneer with the CDJ's as you stated or in the mixer.

There are so many Pros and Cons for it all, the crazy thing is that the software being on the Laptop is what allows for the most versatility, given that it's the only way to mix and match equipment.

I hate using CDJs but have really enjoyed playing just from a thumb drive and no laptop. What I want is the Rane Twelve that plays media without a DVS.

Don't get me wrong, I dislike CDJs as well, and I wanted Rane to come out with some sort of standalone system. My point was that it's already being done and why can't the just do it, yah know.

Like I said in my earlier post. Props for Rane to actually make a battle style setup. But I am very disappointed that is not standalone. So they lose one customer allready.

I guess I have to wait till Numark comes with the NS7 IV standalone. That would be dope !

Pioneer will probably release a CDJ in look like deck with a spinning platter, or Denon will make a spinning platter version of the new SC5000. I remember speaking with a Denon rep at an event no more than two months ago about the 3900 praising it and he mentioned that sadly it didn't sell well. So either the number of people who want in essence a digital turntable isn't high enough to invest in making it or DVS & decks like the Twelve will just be the way forward. Unless as i mentioned Pioneer or Denon make that flagship spinning platter deck running Rekordbox & Engine.

I also want to be able to hook an iPad up directly to the mixer and run a very basic DVS system with no laptop. (like Traktor DJ app) There is no reason this couldn't be done with the 72 and the right app. (wink wink nudge nudge Serato)

Dj player pro. Don't know if the Twelve would work with it.

That's a typo. It's a Serato DJ OSA (Official Serato Accessory), and it will work with any Serato DJ mixer or interface box.

It currently won't work with a controller with non-motorised platters.

I hope that helps :)

So will it work on the NS7ii?

Probably like the v7, which is fine by me....

Unsure yet (we think it will), we'll keep you posted :)

This was one of the things i had in mind in wanting, being that the 57MK2 and the MP2015 were both class compliant, and all of denons products from the controllers to the latest players to release have also been class compliant, the 72 and 12 would be as well.

In having looked into iOS DVS, i found that aside from DJ Player, EDJ'ing Mix is also a DVS capable app.

Id lose it if a version of SDJ made its way to the iPad, given that the latest pro models are out performing* (in certain benchmarks) intels processors in ultrabooks from this year, the power is there.

If I had a dollar for every time..........

...I was helpful on the forum? ;)

This is definitely not the units that will replace my VL12's if it would've been a good price point I probably would've sent them back but I just don't see the benefits to getting the TWELVEs over Turntables and I don't see the reason to trade the S9 for the 72 so who are they targeting?

Those of us who want solid HID control with vinyl feel?

I'm definitely interested in the Rane Twelves. I have 4 working Technics. Going to add this to the sides of my S9 and rock with that for a while until I feel comfortable upgrading to the 72.

You know as well as I know that they'll (Rane) will include those in the MKII version. Probably will screens as well.

The should've just did it this time though rather than wait for a MK2. Why drop decade old technology like the shit is groundbreaking?

Is there a release date yet on new equipment?

Not yet sorry!

It's time to ask the hard questions….

1. Are the USB ports 3.0?
2. How much latency does the 4.3inch screen cause?
3. What are the specs of the CPU used to run the 4.3inch touch screen?
4. What has been done to improve overall latency?

The reason I ask these specific questions is because I have owned/used previous inMusic Brand products (Denon MCx8000, & Akai MPC touch)& the screens on them have caused considerable latency.

AGIPRODJ states Nov1st on there website.

Sorry man, I don't know the answer to any of those (although I don't believe they are USB 3). Best to hit up Rane directly!

I'd say this is a tentative date, don't hold them to that!

I appreciate your honest reply! I'll be at the DJ Expo this Thursday so I'll ask RANE directly. Thanks again!

Pioneer will do it watch I bet is coming

Maybe they are going the Apple route. They aren't doing anything groundbreaking they are just perfecting what is out there.

free idea alert;

make it possible to see the waveform on the deck itself. That would be the bomb.

No worries, happy to help where I can! Enjoy the show, hopefully they'll have all the answers you're after.

Great questions Chino

I hope they have learnt from the MCX8000 to put the best processing unit that can survive a few years of firmware updates.

I reckon this should be more straightforward than the multiple support for Engine, Prime and Serato by a single device.

Will the Mag faders work with older gear like the 62?

What's the deal with the mcx8000 Mav?

Can we needle drop with the touch screen xhen it displays the waveforms ??? Can we also zoom these waveforms?

That would be dope if the 72 can do this because it will mean it can be fully used as a standalone controller without the need of turntables/media player since there is a transport mode (above the slicer mode) !!!

xhen => when *

My unit works good but not without some tinkering on the hardware settings.

Folks over at the Denon forum are asking for more features but reading between the lines I got the feeling that the processor would hamper what extra things that can be implemented.

eg More hardware FX options, more on board sorting options, ability to create playlists on Engine Prime (Engine 1.5 is no longer going to be updated)

Stand alone is where most requests are coming in.

As a Serato device it's near perfect though...hard to get that wrong

I hear you and all, but damn near 10 years to to "perfect" something though. c'mon!

We can speculate all day about why they wouldnt/couldn't release a turntable. Some of us speculated that they would be able to as part of InMusic, and here it is. Late is better than never (less it's got the show stoppers).

It's still lighter (somewhat) and smaller.

But what I am trying to figure out is what people want it to be that isn't already on the market? This is exactly what a good number of people have been asking for, Rane or not.

When the 62/64 came out, I knew it wasn't for me. So I waited. Forever. Then they dropped the MKII. (just in time, like a couple days) Hopefully this is a step for a brand new situation. Maybe they will make a Record player (even with market saturation). Maybe a 7" version. Maybe a jog wheel (smh). But if it was any of those I certainly would not have bought it. I will buy this.

That's a simple question. For those who want this product, the platter could've been smaller to allow room for a better layout, button/slider placement.

For those that need to be persuaded, it would've had to do what their current setup doesn't already do, considering the price tag on it. So I'm supposed to ditch my tables that have multiple functions, including the most important one (playing records) to have something that ONLY works with software that cost more than what I have, just as big and weighs as much. This makes sense to you???

The only people that will really buy this are people that don't own turntables. I'm sure cats will buy it here and there, but not like that. The least they could've done is make it more portable.

Isnt that a V7?



This doesn't bother me. I haven't played actual vinyl and years. Only DJs I know that do or on some niche throwpack.

Only reason I bring out the analog system is to teach.



I don't know about that. I'm looking at my Reloops 8000 like - you might be outta here. My Techs age well, I don't know about them.

The Twelve is an option for anyone who is looking at any of the new decks (or even techs) who never planed to play real vinyl on them. That might be a big crowd.

The weight - if it was plastic people would complain. If it had a weak motor... is there unnecessary weight?

But you're a gear head slash consumer though. You want things to buy lol. Not everyone is like that.

Not really. I'm interested in anything that comes out, but I buy pretty particular, especially over a couple bills. Like I said, I didn't buy a 62 for specific reasons. I'm not sure I will buy a 72 yet, not for a year maybe two. And I would not purchase a Twelve if it only plugged to the 72. And there are some things that might be revealed that stop the show. But as it is, I'm def getting it.

I have a feeling it does not need to be plugged in to the 72 specifically though, so you'll have a nice christmas for sure.

DJWorx reporting that Serato Effects are Pre-Fader when using the 72 + the internal Rane FX are post fader. Sure to be a deal breaker for some.

I own a pair of 1200s, & 3900s. As long as there are no show stopping bugs Im buying a pair of these Rane 'Twelves' too. Ive been wanting a 12" controller type deck that performs(and feels)just like1200s without the worries of needles, dust etc. My 3900s are close to the feel of 1200s but these 'Twelves' should be spot on.

IMHO, the only deck(other than 3900s) that came close to the feel of 1200s to me where the Numark CDXs. Unfortunately, they were very buggy!

If you really want a mixer that can play digital files without a computer, I believe Thud Rumble's mixer will do that. No windows, no Mac. I think they are creating their own Linux based OS from the ground up for this. Which is why it's taking so long.

It looks like the 72 uses the flexFX routing system. This one should allow SDJ effects to be post fader.
But it's more like an educated guess - I don't know for sure.

Apparently you can navigate your tracks on the mixer screen so I guess it's a step closer to tucking away the laptop. Doubt you can close it but at least have it dim or have way shut.

Watchwww.youtube.com

You can close the lid all the way if you have the program "nosleep for mac".

Finally a detailed video of features the Rane Twelve and the Seventy-Two offer explained by a Rane representative. youtu.be

word.

I think I missed it but do the pads work independently. example if I have samples loaded on one side do I have the cue points on the other?

Thanks for the link!

Unfortunately, the new Mag 3 faders in the Rane 72 are NOT backwards compatible for the Rane 62/57mkII mixers.

Fast forward to 15:23 in the YouTube vid posted above. The Rane rep clarifies this.

Yes it does.

That's pretty dope that to me is the biggest flaw with the S9

That is pretty dope actually, didn't even know that was a prob on the S9.

That's no Mike may, that's for sure

That guy deserves a raise. He took time to explain everything, almost like he had a peep at this forum before the video.

If he is still lurking...can one plug a thumb drive or harddrive into the Hubs on the 72 or is it strictly for controllers

I don't have an exact answer but just based off the questions i asked, this one not included, i feel that the ports in the but are essentially a hub, labeled for the twelve just because. I asked if the mixer would be class compliant and was told it would be. Just off of that it can be inferred that the ports are regular ports as locking them strictly to the twelve would probably require a custom driver and since the mixer is class compliant with Mac OS, putting two and two together would indicate that the ports are regular ole ports.

djworx.com

For those who think Rane has just copied Pioneer S9 and 909 ...

I thought it was confirmed that Rane was working on this a long time ago anyway and it was Pio that copied.

9:16 I was wondering what the hell they meant by 180 degrees in the Rane page description. Now this makes sense.
youtu.be

Whats funny about that, is the sort of impossibility of that actually happening. Breaking that theory into pieces it doesn't hold up.

How exactly would pioneer copy something that rane was working on that till the public was shown, didn't exist in the general sense. The only way the theory would hold up in the form its being bandied about would be if pioneer had someone inside of Rane leaking secrets to them or Pioneer and Rane were co developing the mixers together and sharing ideas.

But for every product created there's always a counter product by their major competitor. For example, akai style buttons on controllers, mixers isn't a new thing.

Thats the jist of it, the way in which some theories materialize, if you look at them closely they don't make any sense from a practical stand point, but such are us humans more times than not we make no sense, thus the beauty of these conversations.