sorry about the speeling and grammer, wrote this on my ipad

damn ipads

You know what you're right cause my SL3 has had quite a few driver updates since before El Capitan. So I really don't know what the hold up is. I mean am I going to have to stick with Yosemite till eternity? 🙄

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about......lol

The El Capitan issue is 100% apples fault. You're not as well informed as you may think you are so before you go spreading anymore uninformormed and completely inaccurate information ask questions from reliable sources first.

This comment could not be further from the truth. The fact is Rane has been more open and forthcoming in regards to this issue than ANY company I know of affected by it. Here is proff from rane dj.rane.com in regards to your claim that " they have not only kept users in the dark but keep condescending us with blaming the issue on apple."

1. Your claim that Rane "kept users in the dark" is verifiably False.
2. Your claim that Rane was wrong in blaming apple for the El Capitan Issue is verifiably False.

Dont take my comments personally or as an attack as there are hundreds of forum members who have posted similar misinformation just like you. So take the time to verify what i've said and check back and let me know what your findings are.

This comment pretty much discredits any of your claims stating " I am a computer expert with skills in Mac and Windows. I am also an audio engineer with broadcast engineering experience under my belt." ........"Freelance DJ Tech guru for a lot of local DJs and friends" seen here serato.com

well after review of technical document, I agree that its apple's error, however the length of time taken for rane to disclose the info has lowered my faith in the brand.

I'm sorry for your ordeal but Rane has a great reputation and I highly doubt they are doing this because they're incompetent or trying to keep their loyal customers in the dark. I say give them the benefit of the doubt before you go slandering their good name. What you state about them is simply not their MO and you are not privy to the inner workings of Rane so you don't know what they knew, or when Apple passed this information on to them. Rane has been around for decades doing good things and I just don't see them treating us this way on purpose. But I understand you're mad and since it's their mixer, they are the easiest target to lash out against. Ultimately I think it's more complex than we realize.

oK so we are making progress here, we BOTH now know that Apple is at fault here.......
But then you said "error".

ERROR ? WHAT ERROR ?..... Any Tech worth his salt should know that's impossible having read the documentation.

There's no error here, what apple did was the opposite of error because it was clearly intentional, deliberate, calculated, conscious, intended, planned, studied, purposeful, premeditated and preconceived. (I think you get my point) lol

This is simply a power move by apple because they have the power to be a Big bully and get away with it. Apple essentially changed the rules in the middle of the game without warning or Vaseline and then you/users blamed the victim(s).

Apple is well aware that a VERY high majority of users like yourself would immediately blame the hardware and software companies like Rane, Serato, NI, Tracktor, Pioneer and pressure them to make changes to fix what apple intentionally broke. Apple is not concerned about users like myself who are well informed because we are rare, just take a look at any el capitan thread for proof.

FYI, here a larger list of affected brands/companies/devices for those of you who are unaware of how big this problem is. Its not just serato or Rane as many have thought.
discussions.apple.com
www.sweetwater.com


I call Bullshit, lol
1. you dont know when this info by rane was posted.
2. you did not no this info by rane even existed until I informed you.
3. No other dj brand/company/devices/software has disclosed more detailed info about the el capitan issue than Rane, But you are welcome to try and prove me wrong ;)

Until then I will be stripping you of your "computer expert" "DJ Tech guru" titles until further notice.

Thank you, pdidy......

yea, Rane contacted me personally so yeah i know ,

as for the other hardware makers, i have no idea how they work internally, but with Rane they contacted me right before they sent out the press release about the audio clock issue within el capitan. i have the emails so please stop trying to bully someone. i admit to apple's error, which technically is a bug, which is now apparently fix( according to apple) with the 10.11.4 beta. of which no one has unless they are a registered developer or the other ways shall we say. if you check out the rane website right after my first post, they issued a press release describing the bug in detail. i was contacted by rane right before they released this.

No im not trying to bully, im trying to correct any misinformation.....there is a difference

can you let me know if 10.11.4 beta. fixes any issues ? thanks

From what is on the Rane web, only the ttm and mp2015 are fixed in 10.11.4... The rest pf devices are still waiting for apple to fix the bug...

So why was it so easy for Pioneer to fix or all these other hardware companies. Cause the S9 and many other devices have support for El Capitan. What is the hold up with Rane. Just curious

I guess its because the SL's aren't class compliant but are using proprietary drivers while the new ttm and mp are class compliant..

My guess is this is the real issue but it appears to be more technical than what we are privy to understand. Or rane may be trying to pressure Apple to fix what they broke which is honestly the right thing to do but most users won't understand this or have the patience to wait.

I believe rane knows in order to get this done right it's going to take some time which is why they are advising users to downgrade or partition to keep them up and running while we wait on Apple.

There is an update on the rane site saying that the el capt. beta that is out right now has fixed the issue. So as long as Apple doesnt change anything drastic the next update should fix the problems.

i apologize for the bully comment, that was mean and uncalled for. so with the current beta, no go,

Oh no worries it's probably the nicest thing I've been called in a very long time....lol thanks for the reply on the beta.

Damn seriously so those with unsupported Rane devices are just sitting ducks😳😕 my SL3 is basically old news

I now super-cringe at how much I spent on my SL3...smh

no go in 10.11.4beta 3, it worked for like a literal second then nothing,

I may be in the minority here, but, I am still using Scratch Live with my SL3 and recently upgraded to an OS X machine with 10.11.3 installed... played for three hours straight, no issues whatsoever. The only thing I can think of is that I do not use the Core Audio drivers that Rane released with 2.5, just the default installation of Scratch Live 2.5.

The new beta is a 2 pronged attack, I think there are still updated device drivers needed, but it lays the ground work for that.

i HIGHLY recommend you acquire a backup that does not require the use of El capitan. El capitan has be reported to suddenly stop working even after "appearing" very stable.

Agreed! I have been - god forgive me - using a windows 10 partition ( my boot camp ) as a way to play. seems to work fine as long as you spend 10 bucks on paragon's HFS+ driver. any thoughts?

Interesting work around, anyone here using a Bootcamp Mac regularly in Win 7 or 10 and having good results? Like so good you'd trust it live at a gig?

Definitely man, this is just my testing machine. My main is running 10.10.5.

I upgraded to 10.11.3 and all of a sudden none of my functions on my ddj-sx or my rane 62 were working. My cue points weren't working, the music would sound distorted from time to time, and the connection from the USB would cut out. This happened all while I was doing a club. Is anyone else having problems with 10.11.3?

Why did you upgrade to El Capitan? There's hardware devices that are still having issues with El Capitan even though they are supported. I would roll back.

This is the perfect example of what happens when you only come to the forum when you have a problem, everybody knows except you.....lol

vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net

It does the job, Serato Video needs fixing a bit other than that it works solid on windows 10 on the macbook pro 15 retina (2015).

So somethings changed in latest version of OS X that breaks the Rane drivers. Rane's options:
1) Completely rewrite the drivers to the known working configurations used by other hardware vendors.
2) Discontinue the hardware. Tell their customers there are no plans to support future Apple OS releases due to incompatibilities.
3) Moan about the Apple "bug" in the hope Apple "fix" it, especially for Rane and their customers.

Rane are firmly taking the #3 option. And seriously does anyone think Apple cares about Rane or their customers?! Seriously Rane hardware owners. Wake up. Given all the information Rane are posting, they have no plans to do option #1, which is surely the sensible approach. Therefore I would suggest its time to consider alternative hardware suppliers. I certainly wont ever buy Rane again as they are clearly showing how little they care to sort this mess out.

Perhaps they could open-source their broken drivers as a gesture of good will in the hope the community fixes / rewrites them!

www.merriam-webster.com

Apple have already fixed one of the bugs that caused the issue in the new 10.11.4 beta so TTm57mk2 and MP2015 will work with this version.

The second bug has not been fixed yet by apple that will resolve the SL boxes and remaining mixers.

Unless they drop that fix in another beta i can see it waiting till the next osx build release so people could be waiting months longer yet.

I just hope out of all this mess it makes Rane test BETA versions of new OSX RELEASES. That way at least they can be one step ahead and straight onto the issue with Apple the exact build it got broken in instead of all this mess.

But on another note it's great that this issue has educated some djs into they should always look up and check before updating anything.

Firstly, I should point out I have been a software engineer for over 20 years, for platforms including Apple Mac desktop applications.
I remember all too well the years Apple repeatedly recommended developers used a framework called Carbon for developing desktop applications. Almost all desktop software for Mac's was then being developed in Carbon due to Apple's ongoing dialog along the lines of "You want compatibility and performance, use Carbon. You want to support future versions of Mac OS, use Carbon".
Then, when they released OS X, and started changing their tune.
Now all new apps should be written in Objective-C and Cocoa. Oh but Carbon apps would still be supported.
However, Carbon apps started having all sorts of random issues on OS X. Developers were up in arms. So many companies invested in Carbon skills but their apps starting to break because of Apple "bugs" and an uncertainty of Carbons future.
Over the period of a couple of years, including the Apple switch to x86 from PPC processors (another similar long and relevant story), software shops simply had to start rewriting their apps in Objective-C and Cocoa for two reasons. 1) Carbon apps now had numerous issues on OS X and 2) Apple were clearly phasing it out.

The point of this history is this: whilst there clearly is a bug in El’Capitan that breaks a load of Rane hardware, it looks to be a fairly obscure, not often used feature in the USB audio stack. The idea that Apple is working hard to fix this, based on my previous experience of Apple, is madness. If I were Rane, I would would be working away now rewriting the drivers to a known working API, which we know other hardware vendors are managing with.
If Rane don’t take this approach, and by all the posts on this forum and Rane’s they don’t look to be, it’s entirely possible the unsupported Rane hardware will never work on Apple again.

A last thought. Anyone here ever owned a printer or soundcard that they at some point in time couldn’t use anymore because the manufacturer stopped creating new drivers for new operating system versions???

This is the nature of hardware and software product development. You have to create updates when new OS versions come out. Shouting “bug” or foul play never ends well.

but then you get the scenario that pioneer now find themselves in...

They patched their drivers to get round the OSX issue, but now apple has fixed the bug its broken all the patched drivers.

So they will have to re-do all the drivers again.

That can of course happen. But at least Pioneer is doing something rather than nothing.
Rane are simply blaming Apple rather than doing something about it.

+1
I'm a Graphic Designer and I've been using Macs since '91 and I would have to agree with your assessment.

Indeed. I hear you. I recall all sorts of issues with Photoshop, Quark and InDesign!
To be honest, almost every software product type had problems though. Including audio apps and plugins.
The reality of software and hardware products is you have to account for problems with future OS releases. It's costly but you either do the workarounds or discontinue. Rane's current stance only points to a discontinuation.

Rane's stance looks to be get the route cause resolved rather than accepting the software bug from Apple.

They have already pushed Apple to fix one of the bugs so hopefully they will resolve the second one too.

Exactly.....

Rane is standing up to apple (like all the other companies should be doing) and trying to push them to do the right thing.

But the crazy shit is there are forum members is this thread that are "software engineer for over 20 years" allegedly and Graphic Design cosigners putting Rane down for doing whats RIGHT ? Seriously ?

Any true professional that I know would be praising Rane for taking this stance, not belittling them. And for that reason I wonder if these guys are just TROLLS for the competition. All the signs are there.

LOL!
Maybe they are bored to wait for a year or longer for a possible fix?
Maybe they want to use El Capitan before one or two follow up OS X are released?
No one knows...

I'm hoping for option #1 but it looks like #2 is more likely. I agree #3 is not working.

I'm sure Rane is telling the truth and it's all Apple's fault but, I will not purchase another Rane product again after this debacle.

That's like saying you won't buy another BMW (or insert car of your choice) because the roads suck. That make no sense, especially when you can just stick with Yosemite or Mavericks with no loss of functionality.

Yea I agree.....The absolute and total lack of logic, common sense and rational thinking is reaching New lows here.


@ Dokumentary.... If you bumped into a wall would you
A. Keep walking in the same direction
B. Assume you've reached the end of the world
C. Blame the wall
D. Turn around and change course.

There are many courses of action but these guys just......www.greenspotdropoff.org

I have a Rane product... Like many others, I have a need to run the currently supported and most secure operating system...

My RANE product hasn't worked in almost 5 months.





Friends and colleagues have other manufacturers products (Akai, Pioneer, Numark, etc.)...

They were able to update and have a secure OS while using their DJ hardware within a reasonable amount of time...





Understand that Core Audio drivers have been updated and/or replaced by several manufacturers to work with El Capitan in a timely manner. Rane has not done anything except blame Apple. We all understand that the issue was caused by the small change that Apple made to USB asynchronous audio.

When Rane says there's nothing they can do but wait for apple, they're ignoring the fact that Apogee, Avid, Alessis, A&H.... (that's just the A's) have all found a work around.

TL:DR
I have no significant reason to boycott Apple in the future. I will however, NEVER buy another Rane product.

When I check the Rane website every single day to see if they've resolved this issue....

When I check the Rane facebook page every single day to see if they're giving a better answer than what they posted on Jan. 20th....

When I check the Apple app store every single day to see if Apple has "fixed" the "bug"...

When I look at my SL4....

This is how I feel... www.greenspotdropoff.org

I could honestly not care in the least who you choose not to use or boycott but I'd be lying if I didnt admit to some enjoyment by proving to the other users reading this how next level foolish you and a few others are......

It is MOST important that there is always someone to stand up to misinformation and foolish thinking or else your words act like a VIRUS and spreads and infects the NEW users looking for reliable answers they can trust.

Ok so lets discuss that, please explain in detail why you MUST use El capitan and its benefits that you can not live without. Please include any software/hardware associated with this need.

With all the issues EL Capitan has been having with non DJ products I would not trust that OSX for shit...Hop on the apple forum and find out how it really is. We aren't the only ones having problems. It's all kinds of devices.

Trump for president.

Dude, cmon.. Apple currently and actively support security updates through all 3 of the last major OSes. Either you know something the rest of the world doesn't or you're talking out your rear. What is less secure about Yosemite or Mavericks? You've been around there forums a long time, contributed a ton in many discussions, but this is complete garbage.

That was one of the major points I intended on using to destroy his argument but it's cool I have more......lol

Documentation support.apple.com

dual booting will solve your problem, partition 20GB and install yosemite,

then use your main partition as el captain for what ever you so desperately need it for

EXACTLY, its a logical simple solution but yet these "alleged professionals" are still www.greenspotdropoff.org while screaming the sky is falling as if they have no great options. I'm having difficulty understanding their thought process.

By the way you guys are picking off all my debate points one by one before Ive had the opportunity to educate this guy in some friendly debate....38.media.tumblr.com

^Dude plays a great Loki ...

Blablabla..man the whole thread I see you guy attacking everybody, calling everybody names, amateurs and whatnot. You hurt my reading,didyp. You are one petty fanboy and one unfriendly forum sheriff I can attest you that, at least for this thread :(

We all love Rane, you are not the only one who likes their products, but all I see is every other manufacturer's hardware working and Rane's not.
I was able to record in PT before while running serato and could easily go on and mix my stuff on the same partition and trust me was I happy when I saw PT performing way better under El Capitan..but...you know there is my Rane 62 still lying around like a brick not getting fixed.

This OS is out since when? Why not rewrite ANYTHING just for the sake of TRYING to bridge that gap instead of waiting for daddy apple? Is a workaround (which could be removed if incompatible with a newer Apple update) really so difficult and takes years to program? Hire some programmer from the money I paid for your mixers, guys, really, another month with no news on the issue is another sad month.

Again I see other stuff running properly and I see you only picking on other people instead of asking all the right questions, pdidy. Why not push things forward? Or smoke less :D
If all Rane-people would be like you annihilating everybody as soon as he enters the forum for making the mistake of having updated to a new OS half a year after it's availability..there would be no Rane-people because nobody likes elitist snob behaviour. And people make mistakes.
The people demand food, water, shelter and a working mixer with good reason, you don't do Rane a good service when you regard those forum outcries as weeds to be pulled says Confucius.

That said peace, bro, but it had to be said you know like..some things have to be said riiight..

And Rane: come on, don't wait for Apple if you can't make Apple wait for you!

If the underlying OS has audio issues, you can't just build a bridge on a broken foundation. Some of you folks just don't understand what goes into programming or even hardware it seems.

For now there is NO reason to be on El Capitan unless you are impatient.

@BumBataa
"A smart man makes a mistake, learns from it, and never makes that mistake again. But a wise man finds a smart man and learns from him how to avoid the mistake altogether."
Roy H. Williams

Clearly you are neither "A smart man" nor a wise man. This can be proved with your own words......



So you're running El Capitan even with all the warnings from Rane not to ? "We do not recommend updating to El Capitan at this time." dj.rane.com

if you are making the same mistake 6 months later then you are either insane or by definition ignorant.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Oh @pdidy,



The constant putting down of others when you have no real basis for the argument or a sensible response.

Aside from you disbelieving my profession, you appear to have a strange affinity to Rane. Why is it "RIGHT" for Rane to simply blame Apple and not rewrite their drivers like every other manufacturer has done?
And no I don't work for any of the competitors! Do you work for Rane???

See another new build is out wonder if apple has fixed it in this one? Can see 10.11.4 being released with no fix. So that would mean summer as the earliest this could be fixed. At that time beta testing will start for the new OSX....

@pdidy, further on the "RIGHT" point you try to make. One could certainly agree it's right for Rane to tell Apple about bugs introduced in the OS and pressure or help Apple fix. However, Rane's ultimate responsibility in my opinion is to it's customers. And as customers, we invest in Rane hardware because we believe Rane will continuously support their hardware and ensure it works better than the competition. To this end, Rane, by not updating their drivers and hoping Apple fix the bug, the response is not right by their customers who ultimately don't care who's fault this is. The customers just want a working product with current/latest OS.

One point I do agree on is that running Yosemite on a partition is not a security risk at present as Apple is still releasing security updates for Yosemite. However, they wont forever. In any case, I can see the frustration of people not wanting to run a separate partition with an old OS. Reminds me of the printer point... If I used a partition for a printer I bought in the 90's that the manufacturer stopped creating new drivers for, I would be running Windows 3.1 still!!! Yeah, great advice.

Anyway, time will tell if Rane or Apple take action, or if the SL's don't ever get supported under Apple again.

This will all be over when Rekordbox takes over👏🏻🔥

WTF has Pioneer Rekordbox got todo with an Apple bug with Ranes audio drivers?

smh.....

bad joke😕

I don't want to believe that the 62 etc is going to be discontinued 😨
That's mental, €2000 hardware. It's almost summer time.
In a way I can relate with what jtgrassie is saying.
Maybe it's time to sell.
I was one of the unfortunate ones to upgrade to El Capitan but luckily I could downgrade to yosemite
What about people just purchasing their first Mac books, they don't have much of an option with the OS.
Rane what's going on?

^ It was mentioned that you can take your new MBP to a Mac store and have them downgrade your iOS from El Capitan to Yosemite.

Seems like a big hassle. I have a 2014 MBP and still on yosemite.

Is there an end to this El Capitan issue in sight?

Or just get someone with Yosmite or your old mac or look in the app store purchased history and download Yosmite and put onto USB stick and then just wipe your harddrive and install Yosemite

Thought i read somewhere that due to hardware/driver compatibility that one shouldnt downgrade a Mac to an OS older than what it shipped with.

That's true but there has not been a new Mac model out since El Capitan came out so can all use Yosmite. If there is a 2016 mac that comes out then yes you are stuck with El Capitan. But at moment all Macs are 2015

So its not all doom and gloom then.

Hopefully this issue get resolved asap.

check out this post from Zach..

Looks like new drivers coming out to work with 10.11.4

serato.com

I downloaded the 10.11.4 & I'm using 1.9 with SL 3 & I'm experiencing serious issues.

the tracks play and then start to hang... no improvement

You should of just stayed on Yosemite. Bad idea considering 10.11.4 is a beta. Now you'll face the problem of downgrading back unless you partitioned your drive for both. Good luck.

I did not partition my drive sadly.. Will be a major issue downgrading back to Yosemite? I do back up my Mac often & I did a back up of Yosemite before I upgraded to El Capitan

The current developer beta is having worse issues, befor it saw Rane sl2 and now Sdj is caught in an endless loop connecting to it

From what Rane have told us, 10.11.4 resolves issues for their class compliant devices (TTM57MKII, MP2015) but not for their other devices. I can assure you that they are still hard at work on a solution!

@pdidy
As I said you better lay off the dope, your post reeks confusion.

Again for the slowest of us:
I did upgrade my OS a few months after El Capitan came out, without checking Rane's inability to cope with their drivers first. My mistake. I paid for it in having a pita downgrade.
I accepted my punishment, I didn't upgrade since then. I still wish I could.

It doesn't change the fact that my Rane 62 is not working in El Capitan,that my PT12 works better on El Capitan and that the whole world fixed their drivers except Rane.
It doesn't stop YOU from neglecting the issue by attacking people like a forum-nazi, quoting Bobbie Williams and trying to undermine a valid argument with your twisted sense of logic.
Obviously not everyone wants to roll on MS-Dos like you do, didyp.
And not every one expects nothing from a company and the product they paid for.

Now go fight your forum fights in dissecting my post, you won't ever get it because that would mean that you had to change your teacheresque attitude.
You..you..Bobbie Williams!

@ BumBataa

This is a free speech serato forum where we are allowed to Debate/Discuss any topic we choose provided we obey forum rules.

I have stated on many occasions that I will actively refute, debate and discuss any misinformation spread by misinformed users to protect those in search of accurate and unbiased information.

So when you and people like you try to spread bad information I'm going to attack it and disprove it. Simple...... You have the right to stand your ground and do the same if you feel you can prove me wrong and I gladly accept that challenge if you have the facts to back it up.

The reason you're pissed is because you're loosing the argument. The reason you're loosing is because your argument is weak prioritizing "what YOU want". True professionals prioritize "what we NEED". True professionals priorities stability and reliability over shinny new things so "our" aka True professionals Rane 62 will never collect dust while "lying around like a brick" as you state yours does.

Now once you grasp that concept you will understand why you can't win this argument.

I just checked Rane's site for a list of discontinued mixers. The only DJ products that Rane sells that are not listed on this page are the MP2014 and the MP2015. I don't know what this has to do with El Capitan or why some of the dates are listed as they are. It's pretty confusing.

www.rane.com

(Although not as confusing as the way the Rane forum shows dates for posts.)

I just hope Rane gets their act together before the release of OS X 10.11.4 (or immediately thereafter). Because, I'm not gonna wait till mid-summer and the release of 10.11.5 for them to tell me that my SL4 actually is discontinued.

No end in sight for this kerfuffle between Rane and Apple.

My money is on Apple not to shift.

Well I wonder what the Rane fans will come out to say If Rane discontinues the SL2,3,4 Rane 62,64,68 etc in one sweep because they can't fix the El Capitan drivers.

How old is El Capitan now? Almost a year (between Developer previews and the final release), if pio could find a fix what's holding Rane back. Even Serato now support the new OS.

@didyp
What argument? Is it working or not? It isn't. Is everyone else's hardware working? It is.
You're a moron, sorry.

True professionals expect their hardware to work, their software supported and true professionals don't work on MS-Dos.
I DJ since you dreamt about your first pokemon, moron.

True professionals don't modify/upgrade a stable software/hardware configuration to a known unstable configuration and then moan about the fact that it doesn't work.
I have zero issues with my Rane/serato/macbook setup
Your hardware will work with the OS and software that was supported when you purchased it.

Apparently my last comment has caused you to lose your mind, there's nothing here worth reading and why are you talking about dos and pokemon ?

Ask yourself, why would anyone follow anything you say when you're admittedly incapable of maintaining a working system ?

You alone destroyed your previously working serato dj system, this can only be described as complete incompetence. Anyone following your lead as a dj would be out of work or fired for their total inadequacy.

It's like having Homer Simpson running a nuclear power station.

I have been suffering through 3 weeks of glitches at live gigs because of El Capitan.

Serato claims 1.81 software is stable on El Capitan and so I upgraded. But clearly the hardware is NOT after reading through this forum.

By my experience this includes unlocking with DJM 900 NXS, CDJ-2000 NXS and CDJ 900 HID mode and even the Rane SL4 box. The rane box really gets to me, how is this acceptable? What's even more garbage is the software lets you download the drivers that clearly do not work correctly. Serato blames it on rane, rane blames it on apple.

I am 100% not surprised pioneer is rolling out rekordbox as a stand alone DJ software.

The policy from serato needs to be revised: all HARDWARE needs to be supported before stating the software is stable on a particular OS.

"As a professional, I've evolved past the point of blaming serato because I've provided myself a solid foundation. Be clear that you as a dj are the Boss, judge and jury of your business so NOTHING happens without YOUR ok and final approval."

"I will never have the need to rely on serato's "Quality control" because they must first pass mine in order to see the light of day."

serato.com

The point is in order to be a true professional YOU must evolve past the point of blaming or using serato, rane or apple as a scapegoat. Take responsibility for your actions and learn how not to make those same mistakes as the amateur dj's.

Rane hack. Nothing valuable here, keep on moving.

Rane hack ? What does that mean ?

This just in:

www.pioneerdj.com

help.uaudio.com

We'll see what else is broken now that Apple has fixed the issues with their OS.

Its also curious that Pioneer doesn't list 10.11 as a compatible OS with the S9 and most of their flagship mixers.

pdidy… thanks for sticking up for us. We truly appreciate your support through tough times.

I'd also like to report, now that Apple has fixed the issues in their OS we have developed new drivers for our Core Audio devices and are currently testing them with the official release of 10.11.4.
We will have updated drivers soon:)

My thank you to pdidy extends to all of the Rane supporters in this thread and threads alike.

Its really difficult for me to see people bashing Rane.

I have been working for this company for 10 years and can tell you that Rane holds itself to the highest integrity in this industry. We are the little fish in the big corporate world.
We are a tiny company in comparison to Pioneer and every other DJ mixer manufacturer on the planet. If anyone has any doubts about that please come visit our factory here in Mukilteo Washington. Our doors are open to all and are happy to give tours:)

This El Capitan debacle has been very tough for us but a day hasn't gone by where we weren't tirelessly trying to figure out the problem and fix it.
Those that have been Rane supporters for years have had a taste of the quality products and support we offer. We make gear for you and we care about your performances.
Anyone can pick up the phone and call us (425-355-6000). Ask for me personally and you'll be connected instantly. We understand that this level of support is necessary for us working DJs/performers and will always provide it.

The fact remains.. Its NEVER a good idea to update to the latest OS until you've checked with the manufacturers of the products you are using. Its obvious that it can cause massive headaches.

For those of you who have had little faith in us through this debacle… I'm confident that, over time, you will also see and/or experience the integrity of this company and understand the value in it. We value and appreciate you and will continue to bring products to the market that will push your performances to the next level.

Co-sign.
One of the best DJ companies in the world. I'm proud to say that. Rane please know that many of your faithful customers never left your side during these trying times.

Ragman

Rane has THE BEST customer service and build quality in the industry! My introduction to Rane products began with the SL1 and a 57 mixer. I now own a SL3 and a 62 mixer. Rane has kept my dj business running smoothly week after week for many years! I am also PROUD to say that I'm a LIFE LONG Rane customer!! I want to personally THANK Rane for all their hard work. Rane, your faithful customers are still here with you.

Sincerely,
DJ Chino

Yes, truly a great company... Rane. I have been buying Rane mixers for about the last 20 years. From the Rane MP22 (which I kept wearing out the faders and spraying any and everything in them until the stuff was eating a way at the circuit board, only to have Rane send me three new faders and replace the circuit board for free) to the TTM 54, to the 56, to the 57 (which blew out probably due to my fault, which Rane fixed for free, didn't even question me, but kindly slapped a big warning use grounded outlet sticker on the bottom of the mixer after they fixed it , and now the 62. Anytime I have had an issue or concern, when I called always got a live person (during business hours), never any type of hassle, just friendly courteous prompt service!

The point is in order to be a true professional YOU must evolve past the point of blaming or using serato, rane or apple as a scapegoat. Take responsibility for your actions and learn how not to make those same mistakes as the amateur dj's.


I approve this message answer will stay with rane all day everyday

“they know not of what they speak,”...... but WE do, thanks Zach.

What if I research Serato support forums, as well as Rane support forums, for support and tips to issues I am having with my software and or equipment. Contributors to these forums are mostly, like minded people with various levels of knowledge and experience. For instance the most experienced and knowledgeable may not know of a fix for a new issue that at novice has already happenstanced upon a work around.

My recent experience has been, that instead of tips and support on these forums I receive lecturing. Not the good college professor/ great class type, but lectures of another kind.

Lectured: to rebuke or reprimand at some length.
He lectured the child regularly but with little effect.

Rebuke: to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand

Zach S of Rane, I believe that everything you have written here and on Rane forums is true and honest, and that this recent situation must be very tough for the company and brand. I have no reason to distrust that. I have been a Rane zealot and supporter for many years, as well as Serato. I am a communication scholar and can tell you that written words may not come across as you intend them or as you communicated them. As an example, In response to this El Capitan driver situation, you as well as other Rane employees on Rane forums, have sent the communications, “we are all djs”, and “Its NEVER a good idea to update to the latest OS”. Another wrote that he stays two OSs behind.
These communications can be received by the end user (customer) as, “it is your fault that you upgraded your OS, not ours”. That message would discourage brand loyalty.

Unfortunately for me, for the first time in a decade, without anger or animosity, I have resigned to the fact that I am no longer loyal to Rane or Serato and am actively moving away from their products. I could favor those companies again in the future, but they are officially off my evoked set.

Serato forum member “pdidy”; This recent El Capitan, Serato, and Rane issue has had me on the Serato forums many, many times in the last two months searching for support and tips. You seem to post often and on many threads. You asked what a hack was.

Hack: a professional who renounces or surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward in the performance of a task normally thought of as involving a strong personal commitment: a political hack.

Most of your postings eventually mention how superior of a business man, sound engineer, Dj, etc. that you are, and that all of your contributions are omniscient and Yoda like.
Unfortunately, pdidy your contributions are teetering on identifying you as an Internet Troll.

Internet Troll: a troll is a person who sows discord on the internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement (wikipedia).

I have seen you post, that you believe, that it is your calling to correct what you perceive as inaccurate information on these forums. While your intentions may be innocent, you may best serve this online community by not posting. A reprimand by a contributor who consistently makes self aggrandizing claims is detrimental to the intent of these forums of "like minded" individuals. Positive illusion is not usually a good thing. Misinformation, inaccuracies and the likes on these forums can be addressed by the many other music/sound professionals. If you still feel that it is your mission to correct misinformation and inaccuracies, then stop and take that thought further. How far can you take your mission to correct misinformation and inaccuracies? World peace?

Scholar: a student; pupil.

^^^Thanks for you input and good luck.

Since the Rane rep posted i have not seen a comment from those that were bashing. Lol Why?

#rantstart
I can't see why you all need to have the latest OS as a performer especially if the current one works? I think the DJs that spend more time troubleshooting OS are the ones who gig once in a blue moon. You got too much time on your hands in between gigs. Instead of updating to the latest of everything, put that time in perfecting your library, search for new songs, come up with better ideas how to be a better DJ.... All the self proclaim rocket scientists should know this.
#rantend
Question what did El Capitan gave you that you needed in order to be a better DJ? NOTHING.



@Zach just keep on doing what you are doing despite the challenges. Always remember this is the internet where "everyone is an expert". Your products allow me to make alot of money and for that i thank you.

that would make for a great thread title....hint hint :)

They thought El Capitan would give them "better" performance when it has been shit🤔

I'm on Yosemite and I've made a mental note to refrain from posting here again. Since people are quick to point out whose fault it is...Me.

Two sides to this

Not everyone DJs full time and have a dedicated DJ Mac. Some will update their laptop to the latest OS by recommendation of Apple and fact that they are within their rights to do so. But the good thing is that it's not a irreversible problem. If djing with Serato is important to them then they will find a way to roll back.

Second side is that it's quite unfortunate that many moons after drivers are still broken.

The latest statement issued by Pioneer, does this mean the latest el Capitan works with rekordbox DJ? Because they specifically addressed it to Serato DJ users.

It's never been this bad regarding compatibility to the best of my knowledge. My first Mac was a snow leopard and I always upgraded the OS immediately the new one drops and never had any issues.

What's the percentage of Apple users that are Serato DJ owners?

by the response from the a few guys pointing the finger at Apple for "breaking Rane and Serato drivers", is there an Apple forum where Serato users and even Serato/Rane guys can post issues. Something like these boards?

Does anyone know the technical side of this driver issue. What exactly did Apple tamper with and why is it difficult for Rane and Serato to fix it?

Going forward now I think the optimum solution will be either to get a dedicated Mac for djing only or dual boot permanently. Stay on the OSX that works for you until it's no longer supported by everyone.

What if Apple maintains it stance going forward and decide this isn't a priority to them. Or they consider that the changes they made that broken Rane and Serato is their new standard.

Still waiting to see how this pans out.

Rane had some issues when Yosemite dropped and new drivers were needed.

Does anyone know the technical side of this driver issue. What exactly did Apple tamper with and why is it difficult for Rane and Serato to fix it?

Because the fix needed to come from Apple full info here - dj.rane.com

I wasn't aware of this. Must have been a super quick fix.

Thanks for the technical details link.

From Ranes post looks like Apple listens to then and fixes things.

Is this a bug or has Apple moved the goal post?

A line in the technical side quoted apples recommendation from 2011 (USB 2.0 class complaint) and Rane states that they implemented the devices to be the master clock. Agreed that worked fine for eons but what if this is not just a bug but the new way that apple wants devices to be implemented.

Not sure if I'm making sense.

Was fixed in 1.7.2 so about 2-3months from Yosemite release serato.com

I remember there was like 2 or 3 driver updates I had to do for my SL3 but it didn't specify it was strictly for Yosemite compatibility. That's what it said when I would plug in the SL3 that the driver needed to be updated. So I do recall for my device that is.

In my honest opinion rane has to call this a "bug" in order to remain politically correct and on good terms with Apple. For obvious reasons it would not be a good idea to piss Apple off when you need them to fix things for you in a timely fashion.

So if you read what Apple has done to break the system its quite clear that they moved the goal posts and changed the rules to the game in the middle of the game with no warning which is why all of the major players got f*@ked.

Now why would Apple do this ? I have no idea but my guess is it's a power move. I'm pretty sure rane knows but It would not be a good idea for them to speak about this publicly.


I agree it's never been this bad, this is some next level shit compared to anything I've seen in the past and Ive been an Apple user since 2008.

When stuff like Pro Tools and Logic were impacted by the El Cap release, you KNOW it's more than just DJs that were scrambling. I will do some digging and see if any of my developer friends can find what about these core drivers got changed that seemed to break a ton of software and hardware devices.

Problems with new OSs is nothing new. I've been working here for 10 years and have seen Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and OSX 10.3 through 10.11. This is par for the course its just that this particular Apple release was really broken and caused more headaches for most than previous OSs.

Software and hardware companies can and will try as they must to keep up to date with Apple and Microsoft but the reality is you need to expect that it will not be smooth sailing at first.

With that said.. all the people who were not privy to this info before are now. Consider it a growing pain and not one you will need to deal with again. Just check with hardware and software manufacturers anytime there is a new OS before purchasing a new computer or updating.

Mac Operating Systems in order of official release.

1. Leopard
2. Snow Leopard
3. Lion
4. Mountain Lion
5. Mavericks
6. Yosemite

Up until here - updating your OS about a month after the official release - minor if any hiccups - quick updates and support.

Then,

7. El Capitan

Total fuck up.

Thats accurate.

You can still attack what people may be doing or should already know how to do, but this list has been my experience.

El Capitan was officially released 5 months and 10 days ago.

Rane and Serato employees are, and should be, professionally defending their companies and providing assistance. That is their job.

Random forum users that defend companies, that I have given thousands of US dollars, by attempting to insult the product users, doesn't change my list.

Doesn't change my perception. Perceptions are reality.

^^^^^thank you for your input, good luck.

And the problems were known about from the start.. so had most of these jokers waited a month, as you stated, they would be the ones laughing at all the other idiots.

The only people I feel bad for IS the guy who got a brand new spankin' 2015 model that came with it pre installed. And that is probably the biggest hoop to jump through, begging Apple to let them downgrade.

100% agree with Baci. El Capitan has been out for a LONG time and it is not clear at all on serato's website that Rane products are not working. I started using the SL1 box almost 10 years ago and consider it one in the same with the software. Now the stance appears to be "we're not responsible for the hardware", which is a huge change. Will seriously be looking into rekordbox if only to trust that I can use the same software on more than 1 club set up that I haven't extensively tested @ home.

Give it time El Capitan has been crap from the start it had had issues with not only DJ hardware but all kinds. Rane are working on new drivers to support El Capitan. They already fixed the connection issues with the latest OS X 10.11.4 beta that had problems with certain Pioneer products. Keep in mind El Capitan 10.11.4 is in beta stage it's not an official version yet. Why would you want an operating system that is a beta🤔 For now stick with what's currently working and be patient. Almost every DJ I know has not updated to El Capitan cause it's clearly not stable yet👌🏻

I think you are confused, Serato's job is to deal with things CPU spikes, features of the software (PnT, key ID, et al) itself and allow certain hardware to act as a dongle. Rane, Numark, Pioneer, AKAI, and whoever else you want to think about is responsible with how their soundcard/device interacts with the underlying OS.

This El Cap scenario has really exposed how little some DJs know about hardware and software in general.

Confused is putting it nicely, I think most of these guys could care less how any of this works and they're only become concerned once they screw up their system and then start looking for scapegoats. You notice how none of these guys take responsibility for their actions ?

Serato website clearly said 1.8.1 supported El Capitan. Only if you dug further or visit ranes site do you learn that their product line is not supported. Nowhere is it mentioned pioneer HID didn't work until just yesterday with 1.8.2. Furthermore not having an up to date OS exposes people to a myriad of other problems-this is dogma on every tech support website there is.

The argument that people brought this on themselves is so lame! As a customer I have the right to complain when what the company is saying is completely misleading. I stand by my statement that serato should wait to say a particular version is stable until the hardware critical to its function is also stable.

So what was this then.....

Known Issues
When using CDJ HID mode with El Capitan the CDJ900-Nexus and XDJ-1000 players will not be recognised if they are powered on after connecting to your machine via USB, please power your CDJ units before connecting USB, we are investigating this issue.
After updating your machine OS to 10.11 we advise restarting before attempting to use Serato DJ, it is also highly likely you will need to do another restart after installing any 10.11 specific drivers for your hardware (if any)
If your CDJ is not detected using El Capitan and HID mode there is a known issue and we are working on it - in the meantime hotplugging your primary device while the CDJs are connected will detect them.

Hardware with known issues
Vestax Typhoon
Reloop TM- series (TM2,TM4,TM8)
Rane SL2, SL3, SL4, Rane Sixty-One, Rane Sixty-Two, Rane Sixty-Four, Rane Sixty-Eight, Rane MP2015, Rane TTM57mkII
Novation Twitch
Numark Mixdeck, NS6, NS7 and V7

Uhm yeah that's like any piece of software working on an OS. There's nothing wrong with SDJ per se, it's the soundcard you're playing with it on.

No different than a new game off of Steam working ok on Windows 10 but your specific video card doesn't have awesome drivers yet so you get crappy FPS.

Again, we get it, some of you are pissed but it's because you didn't put more than a passing effort into researching what upgrading would do as a whole.

Does rekordbox DJ work with el Capitan with pioneer devices?

yes the same as they do SDJ

It took more than a year for Serato to make a fix for controllers with Yosemite (in my example VCI 380)...
I don't give anything for waiting for any company to fix anything. Using Rekordbox with CDJs when possible else booting 10.8 with an USB 3.0 stick when SDJ is needed.

Cheers & thanks for nothing!

BTW I've a list of bugs which still occur in 1.8.1 (not using 1.8.2) but I don't bother reporting anything anymore, cause in 90% of the cases it doesn't change anything!

@DJ_CMartin

When a client hires a professional dj, they have a right to expect that you are knowledgeable, experienced and have practiced your due diligence which is the care that a reasonable person exercises to avoid harm to other persons or their property.

So lets say you're hired to do a wedding and your laptop crashes in the middle of the 1st dance. The bride and groom approach you and say DJ_CMartin, you've just destroyed the most important day of our lives, what happened ?

You reply....



Is that an acceptable excuse and do you still expect to get payed ?

Chalk this up to inexperience and don't make excuses for it. Software and Hardware must be compatible with an operating system. This is DJ & computer 101 stuff so just learn from it and don't make those mistakes again.


Again you've neglected to look deeper while attempting to make excuses......Your allegation was addressed by Popwave previously in this thread, please read here serato.com and here support.apple.com

My recommendation is just ask questions prior to making critical changes or updates, there are many knowledgeable users here willing to help.

Status - Mar 9, 2016

Apple's 10.11.4 beta 6 is now available and fixes compatibility issues with the MP2015, MP2014, and TTM57mkII. We do still suggest using OS X 10.8, 10.9, or 10.10, but if you have already updated to El Capitan, you can download the latest 10.11.4 beta 6 (15E61b) to resolve your issues. We will officially support El Capitan with these products once Apple puts out their final release.

We are also currently testing new Core Audio drivers with the 10.11.4 beta 6 and things are looking good. The final testing for these drivers will be done once the final release of 10.11.4 is out.

Thanks hersh20, looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel!
dj.rane.com

I can admit when I am wrong - I did not read that serato was not recognizing pioneer products in the release notes. The notes do imply that once connected HID does work properly, but on 1.8.2 the notes say "HID mode not consistently working on Pioneer CDJ’s with OS X El Capitan" SO FOR THE RECORD there was no problem recognizing the devices, intermittent audio dropout was technical issue i experienced.

PDiddy, you call into question my professionalism and get it, but I would like to know at what point you decide serato should be at fault. Do you really want to spend your time reading conditional release notes, online forms and testing at home for hours on end? I'm sure it's satisfying saying nananabooboo to people online, but that's essentially what you're defending. You are pretty much one post away from asking serato out on a date, giving them a nice merlot and asking if they want to head back to your place.

I mean seriously, half the serato hardware was not (and by the way still isn't) supported! A stable version should imply it's stable with all the hardware - or else just call it a beta version.

The new beta fixed Rane but it broke PioneerDJ.

djworx.com

fixed already old news! and Rane still don't work at this moment. But pioneer does.

Yup old news Serato already fixed the Pioneer issues. This is proof El Capitan has issues.
djworx.com

what do you gain from this constant discussion that you have with anyone that posts about el capitan? is like a time waster thing or just something that you really like to do?

Have you ever debated a topic or corrected someone when they were putting out misinformation ?

Do you only correct misinformation to waste time ?

Why do you bother to correct people when they are wrong ?

pdidy is fighting the good fight, i just get tired of repeating myself on here, it's worse than talking to my 3.5 yr old.

its seems easier just not to answer than to tell people they suck and are idiots for using capitan. even if they are idiots.

I think Ive only refereed to one person as an Idiot according to its definition (which I also posted), not as a standard insult or name calling.

If by "telling people they suck" you mean I debate or discuss why they are right/wrong, misinformed, spreading misinformation or just old fashioned lying ? If that is your question, I would reply "this is a discussion forum as seen in thread topic titles so that's what we do here". Just like what you and I are doing right now. Btw, "You suck" is typically not part of my vocabulary if you meant that literally....lol

You have the option to ignore me but you chose not too because you have every right to address me be it right or wrong on a FREE discussion forum. Right ?


So do we ignore and never challenge the wrong people and only address the right people, how does the work ?

I think it's just best to give El Capitan a miss.

I remember in my windows days I had an HP that was bogged down by Vista even though it came with it. Eventually did a clean install of XP and Ubuntu. That laptop worked fine with the older os.

My only concern is what if Apple decide that the way they implemented whatever broke Rane et al is the standard protocol now, does that mean we are stuck with Yosemite and earlier OS.

I get pdiddy point. It's difficult to admit user error. Some had to learn the hard way like me. It's just quite unfortunate that it might be at your dj job. Luckily when it happened to me I was playing a b2b with another only vinyl dj. He saved the day.

I think it's called denial. Anyways back to important stuff. Serato 1.7.8 and my other mundane programs work fine on Yosemite.

I'm thinking of buying a MBA as my personal laptop now and just leave the MBP for djing completely.

I thought about this myself and if it does happen that would really limit users and push back furthering new technology. The good thing we will see new drivers for the Rane devices that are unsupported soon. Because all of this I don't care much for El Capitan it just seems like a complete fail and I'm not sure why Apple wanted to change the at audio is played back whatever the case I don't see this benefiting us much.

At = way (fucking edit button please)

Just think by the time all the hardware companies and Serato have worked out and all El Capitan issues people will be installing the Public BETA of OSX 10.12.0 and bitching how they lost work and hardware won't connect ect ect. Pdiddy you ready for them?

The other question I didn't ask is will they provide drivers for 62, SL3 etc
I noticed the 57 MK II and the newer rotaries getting all the love.
Hopefully this doesn't turn the older yet not too old gear in to paper weight.

The OG 57 worked for eons

That's because the TTM57II MP2014 & 2015 are class compliant. Where as the other hardware needs CoreAudio Drivers. Rane have said they will start testing drivers once OSX 10.11.4 Is released. How well testing goes will depend how long it will take for Rane to release the updated El Capitan Drivers.

thats my plan exactly with El Capitan, I skipped Vista also. There is and was no reason to risk it with either one of them. I stayed on XP until after it was no longer supported and only upgraded to Windows 7 because Serato dropped XP, That was a very sad day for me :(


Well as we all know you can never really beat apple, you can only hope that they decide to play nice with you in a timely fashion. Rane knows this...... I'm pretty sure rane has a secret time limit and "Plan B" in case all goes wrong an apple says f@*k off "my ball my rules".

I get it, I understand why it pisses a lot of people off because nobody likes to be told or admit that they're wrong. Especially when I'm being sarcastic about it....lol

I think el captain was the worst of it...... "the perfect storm". Everything else will probably be petty compared to this.

Yeah I can imagine the grin on your face when replying to the messages.
LOL
you probably have a word document of sarcastic replies by now...you just cut and paste and take cover.

Do not feed into the troll pdidy. He's notorious for trolling these forums causing drama and calling people immature names. This guy is as relevant as a reel to reel machine.

sorry dude, he's done more to aid in the discussion than you have.. back to the peanut gallery with ya!

To make it short:
We all love Rane, otherwise we wouldn't have bought their hardware.
We expect it to work, though.
We expect forum police to not dismiss any valid argument and sucking Rane into oblivion.

Hey and didyp you shouldn't dismiss el capitan, why would you? It is a very efficient OS.
Ask Pro Tools users. You know what PT is, right? It is not Rane though, so you might not like it :D
Anyway don't fear the upgrade from MS-DOS, my pro friend.

Hey and calling everyone a non-pro is some of the cheapest stuff you can do on a forum btw.
It just shows what kind of "pro" you are.

do you didy. its just almost at a psychotic level. but we all have issues.

Hey guys I get it .......you're pissed off and you want to get back at me but I'm impervious to trolling.......

But here's how you beat me......

Take some time out to research and actually think about some of the things that I've said, now once you've done that figure out how to prove me wrong. Challenge yourselves gentleman and dont accept defeat so easily.

some of us are working with el cap with no probs so we already proved you wrong.

Wait a minute, now you want to participate in this thread ? I can't help but sense a little bit of irony here but it's a free forum so you are welcome.

I'm going to let my response marinate for a bit in the hopes of someone cosigning with you...... maybe I can get a two-for-one :)

Damn dude... How did you have time to write me on this thread when you have a total of 58 people on your Facebook fan page to entertain. Get to SLAY'N them crowds homie!

LOL so this is now a dick measuring contest. Keep trying homey if that's all you have to contribute. I had my run as a resident DJ and now do it as a well paying hobby.

Hey man, I don't come to your job a throw rocks at you while you're mowing so don't come here and throw shade at me. Get what you give.

Haha Nick! You are the next guy calling in question the professionalism of people to ignore valid arguments, shame on you :D

No time, have to hurry back to my reel 2 reel located in my barnyard, later!

;-) Cheers!

quote fail let me try that again:


Apple admitted (or at least the software developers Rane has been speaking to) that they broke their system but have since fixed it in 10.11.4 Beta 4.
They could break it again but good on them for not just pushing their issue under the rug. It took a lot of heat from companies like Rane to light the fire under them for a fix but they did it.
The SL2, SL3, SL4, TTM57mkII, Sixty-Two, Sixty-Four, Sixty-Eight, Sixty-One, MP2015, and MP2014 will be working with El Capitan as soon as they release the final version of, what will probably be, 10.11.5 and we've verified they haven't broke anything since 10.11.4 beta 4.

@DJ_Cmartin…




The easier way to figure out if your Rane hardware is working with a particular OS and/or version of software is by calling our support line --> 425-355-6000.
You will get a live person with extensive knowledge about such questions.
We're here Monday-Friday from 8:30am to 5pm. Ask for me at the front desk if you'd like. I'd be happy to inform you or anyone else who has such questions:)

Don't hate, you should be thanking me instead of being so pissy and vengeful. Had I not corrected you and informed you of your unprofessional actions your ignorance may have destroyed you dj career in no time at all.

I'm sure you have now learned from your mistakes and will NEVER make them again and hopefully you will share this knowledge I have so graciously provided you :)

pdidy.

www.reactiongifs.us

Hey so, i was having a similar problem with my sl2 and my Serato Scratch Live 2.5 on my el Capitan.
I losed three gigs due to it until, i did this

1) Remove all Scratch Live Files
(which means going into Username>Library>Extensions and deleting the Scratch Kext File.


2)Reboot Mac into Recovery but holding down the CMD+R button as soon as you hear the StartUp Chimes and releasing as the Logo appears.

3) Go to the bar to the top and under utilities Open Terminal

4) Type csrutil disable
then type reboot

When Rebooted Download Serato Scratch Live 2.2.2

5) Install as normal

DO NOT OPEN SCRATCH LIVE YET

6) Reboot laptop again into recovery

7) Terminal and csr enable then reboot command

8) When it has rebooted

9) connect SL2 BEFORE Opening ScratchLive ensuring the connected light is on

10) Open Scratch Live

You're Welcome.
Please Leave FeedBacks If this Helps

Serato isnt supporting El Capitan As well as Pioneer and Rane

Idk why
But SSL 2.2.2 WILL work

DO NOT UPDATE JUST TO BE SAFE UNTIL A UPDATE COMES WITH SUPPORT

Incorrect.
serato.com

serato.com

Software Support*
Serato DJ 1.8.2 is now supported on OS X El Capitan.

We are aware of a few HID connection issues with this release. After updating your computer to OS X 10.11 we advise restarting before attempting to use Serato DJ, it is also highly likely you will need to do another restart after installing any drivers from your hardware manufacturers website.

* Although Serato software is supported, hardware support for OS X El Capitan is manufacturer specific and some hardware will require the driver to be updated. Serato are working hard to fix any issues in our software but are ultimately not responsible for driver or firmware updates that are required to be compatible with El Capitan. Please make sure you are running the latest driver and firmware (if available) for your specific hardware.

Unsupported Serato DJ Hardware:

From our tests (or through our partners) we have found the following devices are problematic while running on OS X 10.11 El Capitan and/or do not have El Capitan drivers available:

Rane SL 2
Rane SL 3
Rane SL 4
Rane Sixty-Eight
Rane Sixty-One
Rane Sixty-Two
Rane Sixty-Four
Rane MP2015
Rane TTM57mkII
Numark Mixdeck
Numark V7
Reloop Terminal Mix 2
Reloop Terminal Mix 4
Reloop Terminal Mix 8
Vestax Typhoon

So.... Do you want us to call Washington state every time an update shows up in our App Store app or....

dj.rane.com Beg an Apple rep/manager to downgrade you back to and older OS that may not be supported on your brand new machine?

Or....

dj.rane.com Buy a bootleg OS X zip drive and break Apple's EULA?

Or....

dj.rane.com Just wait until ver. 10.11.4 comes out and then wait longer till Rane can test drivers?

I'm so confused.



Wait... What?!
Now you're saying it'll be ver. 10.11.5? When is that gonna be? Mid-late July? SMH...

www.denondj.com

When I read the comments regarding new core audio drivers I read this:
"We had to create new Core Audio drivers".

This isn't meant to sound rude but..so you did something people told you about months ago and actually wrote new core audio drivers or updated them?? No longer waiting for apple to fix it?

I am sure pdidy will chime in to tell me no new drivers have been written and I got it all wrong again, but still.. :D

Only a guess but i should say Apple fixed the issue but still changed the way something worked so needs the drivers tweaking just like the drivers needed something changing when Yosemight dropped and like all other companies have had to tweak drivers. again just a guess.

@Documentary...


Yes.. this is an option. Or you can check our support page on our website here --> dj.rane.com.


This is also an option as long as you don't have a brand new, 2016 Mac. I would always suggest checking the current minimum system requirements for our products on our products page here -->dj.rane.com or, once again, calling us.


Yes.. this is another option as long as you aren't using a brand new 2016 Mac.


Let me give you the short version.

Apple broke their OS big time with El Capitan. It took us some time to do some research as to what was broke. We alerted Apple about the problem and gave our bug reports. It was obvious they had broke something on the very lowest level of the OS. The level we need to have access to in order for our drivers to work with the lowest amount of latency. This is very important for scratch performances. Yes.. we could have spent time and money on creating new drivers to get around what had broken but we knew this was not the best way forward for us or our customers. Thankfully Apple admitted the issue and fixed it in 10.11.4 beta 4. Now.. on top of that major fix from Apple, Rane has needed to develop a new driver specifically for the working version of El Capitan. We are not going to release those drivers until the final version of El Capitan is out and we've verified they haven't broke anything else. As long as they haven't broken anything else, and we don't believe they will, our testing period will be short.


I misspoke here. The fix is in 10.11.4 beta so this will be fixed in the final release which is the next one coming.

this appears to be more technical than what info we are privy too. if you were smart you would have held your tongue but clearly that is not part of your skill set.

Zach S, care to shed some light on the above statement by BumBataa 7:14 AM - 21 March, 2016.

As I said before.. we wanted Apple to fix the major issue in their OS before trying to put a bandaid onto the issue. They fixed it in 10.11.4 beta 4 which came out a little over a month ago. We have since been working on new drivers to work with that fixed version of El Capitan.

Looks like the final version of El Capitan dropped today.
We'll be testing our new drivers and will alert the public through our social media channels once the new drivers are available for download.

As for the TTM57mkII, MP2015, and MP2014.. these use a different type of protocol than the Core Audio drivers we use in our other devices. Since Apple fixed their issue in 10.11.4 beta 4 these devices have been working flawlessly without Rane needing to tweak anything on our end. We are going to verify Apple hasn't broke or changed anything in the final 10.11.4 version (which we're not anticipating) and will then be able to say those devices are officially working with El Capitan. This will also be posted through our social media channels.

Looks like in a latest beta update from Apple, they fixed the issue where USB audio interfaces were disconnecting. I'm updating now and let you know if I have any problems with Serato DJ.

This is OS update 10.11.4

It's out as of today:

www.macrumors.com

Sorry to give everyone's hopes up. Audio still drops and has distortion at times.

You didn't as we could read the post above yours.

So BumBataa, what do you have to say for yourself ?

what hardware are you using ? the TTM57mkII, MP2015, and MP2014 is the only hardware that should be working with 10.11.4 while all others are waiting for rane driver updates coming soon.

SL3: One thing I did notice now is that the SL3 Audio Control Panel doesn't show any drops like it did before so it could be something else going on now.

Dj IceCreama, you cant properly test the SL3 without the rane driver update which is NOT available yet as previously mentioned.....be patient I don't think you will be waiting long provided rane's testing goes good.

Zach S,
Although I'm obviously not pleased with the way this situation has played out, I must say, I do appreciate/respect that you took the time to respond to each of my questions. I also recognize that you have stayed active in this and other threads that have become somewhat combative (off the rails) to give actual info on Rane's status throughout this mess.

For what it's worth, they told me 10.11.5 last week. I asked yesterday if they meant 10.11.4 but haven't heard back yet.

I swear some of you are plane retarded Zach has posted god knows how many times the status of all the devices and how it will pan out. 😏

lol i blindsided myself by buying an sl2 box last week without ever realizing that it could be affected by a software issue. i've never needed new drivers for the sl1, i guess because it was running on SSL. when i got it and it didn't work, i had an 'oh shit' moment. i *still* didn't think software though, just that i got screwed on a used piece of gear. wasn't till tech support told me they were working on new drivers that i had another 'oh shit' moment. i was only ever cautious regarding my midi controllers & os compatibility.

Dame Easter is here and i cant get my SL3 up and runin yet. Will update to OS X 10.11.4 and serato 1.9.0 and try it out..Also waitin on denon MCX8000

#Yosemite4Lyf
#10.11.4stillbroke
#seeyourane
#hellotraktor

LOL true but you were supposed to use "plain" not "plane"

I can't believe that took this long for someone to say 😜

But im happy being a retard getting the wrong plain ✈️ Than installing el captain haha

^ haha +1

It's "Capitan".

You mean Crapitan 😜

But the crazy part is dj's are still rushing to update to it even even though they are well aware of all the craziness it took to get to this point ????

Like I said, I waited until it was certified for my midi controller. Never even thought about my sl box 😐

Fresh off the press --> dj.rane.com

The Sixty-Two, Sixty-Four, Sixty-Eight, Sixty-One, and SL3 drivers for El Capitan are out and available.

The SL2, SL4, MP25, and MP26 are coming soon!

Nice.
But I'm gonna wait for some guinea pigs to test it out first. Playing uber safe with this one.

Can the drivers be tested with Yosemite though, easier to roll back a firmware than an OS.

😴😁

I just downloaded them for my Sixty-Two and everything is working fine!

I am running OS X 10.11.4 el capitan with Serato DJ 1.9.0.

Keep in mind that this is on my mac mini that stays at home. I am still running 10.10.5 Yosemite and Serato DJ 1.8.0 on my laptops that I take out on gigs.

I'll keep playing around and see if I notice anything, but i'm sure the good folks over at Rane ran more tests than I can. But so far so good!

I ran into an issue. Not sure if it is an issue with my sixty-two mixer or with 1.9.0.

I was playing around with the new driver/el capitan/1.9.0 and thought I would hook up one of my laptops to the other USB input "B" and see how everything performed. I didn't get far, because as soon as I switched the USB selector from "A" to "B", the playing deck restarted the track. Every time I switched the USB selector on the non-playing deck, the playing track would restart from the beginning.

Maybe someone else willing to do some testing can see if they have a similar issue.

Forgot to add this...but once I was fully switched over to my laptop (which has yosemite and SDJ 1.8), everything was working fine, and I could switch the non-playing USB selector without any issues. This only happened on my computer with 1.9.0 & el capitan.

Sounds like an issue with 1.9. I would let Serato know.

How long till SL4? days? weeks?

@Dokumentary... unfortunately I don't know but we hope within days and not weeks.

sweet... right on time for this long Easter holiday.will test it out in awhile..

SL3
DENON 3900
TECHNICS MK2
DENON X600

i have the same problem with my 62. when i open SDJ it's not reading my Rane 62. i have updated my driver and Serato dj to 1.9 as well as el capitan to 10.11.4. i don't know what else to do? please help me serato...!

Did you download the correct driver? Make sure you click on the driver that says it's for EL CAPITAN 10.11.4. There are two listed, the other one is for OS X 10.10. Just an idea...

i downloaded Mac 2.0.0b3 compatible for el capitan 10.11.4....

any body having the same problem? please help

I installed the El Capitan update, then I installed coreaudio drivers as instructed from here
dj.rane.com

after that, when i open serato dj it says its trying to connect sl3 for a minute and then it says that it cant be connected.

Scratch live recognizes sl3 and it works, only tried it for a couple of minutes though, not sure if there are still glitches.

other than that, the sl3 cant be found anywhere - not in system preferences, and not in the audio midi setup.

tried to download the drivers AGAIN, did that, opened SDJ and it worked. restared the computer, back to the same problem.


pls help.

What I can't understand is this, WHY would anybody put at beta OS on their production system.

If you want to try beta operating system, listen closely 'beta operating systems' not Serato DJ betas...

DON'T DO IT on your production system!

What are you planning to gain other this debaucle that is going on right now??

You're better off to clone your whole library and serato database folders and reload to Yosemite or earlier.

Stay away from El Capitan, it's not finished so don't use it.

i have a reason for you. i updated my phone to 9.3, only to notice that Xcode 7.3 only works with El Capitan. so now i just gotta program with other computers or test with other devices. obviously, i'm staying with Yosemite on my DJ laptop for quite some time ;)

i have a reason for you. i updated my phone to 9.3, only to notice that Xcode 7.3 only works with El Capitan. so now i just gotta program with other computers or test with other devices. obviously, i'm staying with Yosemite on my DJ laptop for quite some time ;)

That's sucks because I also had xcode on my system but didn't upgrade and decided I will get a used newer mac mini for this very reason.

I have an older mac mini I bought when I started working on my radio app. Then xcode upgraded and you couldn't run it on an older version of OSX and the cpu was only 32-bit so I couldn't upgrade the OS either.

So I used my laptop for the interim but I stopped that awhile because for this very reason as well.

The iOS upgrade dev cycle is starting back up soon again so I'm not using my laptop. That will go on the mini once I find one.

El Capitan is not a beta quartz was released Monday

I know things aren't cheap but I decided a long long time ago. My DJ laptop will be only just that so it's stable.

I only have music applications and disk tools on it, no games, hardly use the internet on it, etc...

I want a stable machine.

People put it on their machines as a beta and this was a known problem for awhile now.

You can also read info here regarding new drivers,

dj.rane.com

same prob here after doin all updates and install new driver fro SL3..Serato does not read it and i can find it nowhere on my mac..On the mac a pop up message says.. USB DISABLE DUE TO NOT ENOUGH POWER..cant connection on my PC either..WTF??
the blue usb light does not comes on, on any of my laptop.

i could have use my pc NOW i can't..we have gone from bad to worse with this update..feelin disap in RANE.

@djfreshdj,

Go to the rane site and directly email one of the techs. Something is definitely wrong.

The fact people are using the drivers as a reason to upgrade their stuff to El Cap is making me LOL. Only if you already made the jump should you be messing with this to fix your current problem.

If it's not broken, don't try to fix it!

Sounds like El Capitanis still having issues. Glad I didn't update

i got my mac with El Capitan install popnwave if u can't help me don't say anything.

its surely not a mac prob.because my sl3 don't wrk on my pc either

I'm assuming you tried a different USB cable
🤔

I quoted this from the Rane forum.

I have a 62 and tried to install the new firmware yesterday.I downloaded it from ranes site but I got a prompt that said "it can only be installed on laptops with El Capitan"
.
I'm still running Yosemite and just wanted to try it with Yosemite.

its a new driver for El Capitan only not a mixer firmware release...

Tried the new drivers on my SD card install of El Capitan with 1.9 (and SSL 2.5)

No issues so far .... maybe wait a month or so before updating my main partition tho :)

El Capitan does seam to run better than yosemite (for normal Mac stuff) which is why I'm tempted to update.

Ah Driver not Firmware.. I see. Lol Rane, Serato and Apple have succeeded in driving me nuts lol.

My bad.

Carry on. I'm staying on Yosemite till the next OS.

I wasn't talking to you, Dildo Baggins. Open up a support ticket (Serato or Rane) if you can't read forums and comprehend a group conversation properly.

Looks like you fried or bricked your SL3 either way.

SDJ 1.9 is running butter smooth for me, and the wave is much smoother. I'm running a Macbookpro mid 2014 I7 with 16gig of ram, and Rane 64 with Mixemergency. I have not test Pulse Locker yet, but so far the the best update I've tested since the inception of SDJ.

i finally got mine to work. thanks to reddawg. here's the step by step you need to follow and guarantee it will work.
1. Used the delete file that came with the download. Deleted the drivers.
2. With SL3 plugged in opened Serato DJ and it said drivers available. Click that download and installed it.
3. Once it rebooted, tried opening preferences page and still no connection.
4. While leaving that open, opened serrate DJ.
5. Unplugged and re connected the box with all open… Presto it connected.

And just in time if this is stable. Because there is a bad issue now with older OS-X installations. www.helpnetsecurity.com

i checked the extension of the software and it's still 1.2.4f1, which is the older version as suppose to 2.0.0b3 the new updated version. i was playing for 2hrs and it's doing the same thing like before, it would cut music on and off. what's going on RANE? this is suppose to be a FIX to the problem. this is upsetting, i'm so disappointed with RANE...

You have to Uninstall the old drivers.

Did that already. Read my old post. I got it to work but it's still would cut music off and on..

So let me get this straight, you made an instruction manual and even that Failed to be reliable with El Capitan ?????

Yes, for some reason, when I downloaded the new version driver of 62,and when I installed it with serato Dj open it would install the old version driver. It wouldn't install 2.0.0b3 when I checked the software extension. That's why I would still get music cut off when I Dj.

That's because SDJ has the old drivers built in as 1.9.0 was out before Rane released new drivers.

I am seeing alot of users having issues connecting Rane equipment once new driver is installed.

I really would stay clear! Or jump on Ranes forums and sure they will get you up and running.

dj jayM, whats the spec of your laptop and which version of serato DJ u using ? Also the OS X of your laptop. let me see if i can help you messege me on facebook www.facebook.com

Hey all, Serato doesn't currently recommend updating to El Capitan to use these new drivers.

Due to a number of people being stuck on El Capitan, Rane accelerated the release process and made them available to help people out. The drivers however have not yet passed our stringent QA testing, and we continue to recommend Rane hardware users remain on Yosemite or lower when using Serato DJ.

We're hoping to have testing complete soon so that we can give the all clear for these drivers and people can move to El Capitan safely.

Thanks, Aaron

I don't get it first certain hardware is supported now it's not? So the driver updates are still a problem/incompatible?

Not necessarily a problem or incompatible, they just haven't gone through the full Serato test yet.

Rane were satisfied with their QA to the point they felt them good to go, so put them up to help people who are stuck on El Capitan. What we are saying is that we continue to not recommend people update to El Capitan on the basis of these drivers being available.

We hope to be able to get behind these and give our full support shortly.

The never ending story of El Capitan.

^^^ That's probably why it's important for Apple to stick to their specification guide lines, so everyone is on the same page.

question about rolling back to yosemite.

so if you roll back (I went from ML to EC, trying to move back to Yosemite) all your info is gone and you have to have a fresh install?

I went to the apple store and what i got from it was this:

you have to have a fresh install of yosemite, thus leaving you to reinstall all apps and music.

since i had moved to el capitan, even if i time machined, it wouldn't work since im going back to Yosemite(from el cap)?

so the bottom line if apple does it, ill have to back up everything and reinstall everything manually since time machine will NOT work?

at one level it makes sense, but in another it doesnt.

since I havent read about this, i thought id ask for future reference.

how old is your most recent backup from when you had yosemite?

A clean install is always recomended. Why dont you just back up your files and consider a full wipe since you went from ML to EC?

Thats what i did instead of rolling back. I did a super clean install, full wipe of EC.

i feel ya. i have alot of info that dates back to 07 as far as like itunes. its just a mental location thing. wouldnt i have to do new reinstalls of everything like my serato and ableton stuff as well?

ive got the rane sl3 working with SSL/SDJ on EC and my S9 mixer works (ive just had just a little issues here and there, 1 crash at a gig, which is the first crash ive had with sdj out, but that was a month ago on 1.82.

might just stay with el cap. i think yosemite is def the best operating system going forward, since its the newest os that seems to work with everything.

im on 11.11.3 btw.

and the ssl wavforms look so much better. sound is def different. less harsh. and my buffer goes from 5 to 1 ms which makes it tighter(maybe its placebo but doesnt seem that way)

honestly, after using ssl for a while im thinking about getting a rane 62 and selling my s9. s9 is nice, but it would be nice to use SSL and SDJ.

That's reason I haven't been to hyped about getting the S9, I will like to have the ability to use SSL.

Hey Everyone

Just wanted to let you know that we have completed testing the new drivers for the following mixers and now endorse them for use with Serato DJ on OSX 10.11.4 El Capitan.

Rane Sixty-Two
Rane Sixty-Four
Rane Sixty-Eight
Rane Sixty-One

Please click through this Rane article to access the new drivers: dj.rane.com

Thanks, Aaron

I've been patiently waiting for this driver update for months now... Out of my 3 machines, it only worked on my laptop, and on the laptop is actually working the way is should finally!

BUT - My other 2 machines will not even boot the hardware... It's literally unusable. Nothing. My 68 doesn't even connect to serato anymore with the new driver installed.

So believe or not, this update actually made things worse for me than ever. GREAT!
Now I have a big $3000 paper weight. Where as before it at least worked but would lose connection or have serious audio drop outs to the point where I would have to reboot just to get it up and running again.

I spent half the day today going back and forth with the techs at Rane on the phone and emails, and literally they repeated to me the steps I had already followed many times with no luck, so it was a complete waste of time.

I was told all their systems were all working fine in-house, but they have been receiving calls (from people like myself) the last few days having even more trouble since the update, and they are now saying that I'm in a 25% bracket that can't get their mixers to connect at all.

Long, long, story short- this is bull shit. Rane is great, and makes great products, and I understand also what P.O.S. operating systems apple prematurely pumps out these days that ruins everyone else's hard work. I GET IT.

Now before I go and point anymore fingers at Rane, WTF testing exactly did you guys at Serato do with these new drivers to "make sure they are compatible and working correctly"
I did about 2 hours of testing of my own on 3 different machines and can tell you right now THEY DON'T WORK! Whereas at least from what I can see, the new Rane drivers are actually working and installing properly (you can check within about my mac / system report / extensions / sixty-eight).

Furthermore, when I uninstall all the new drivers 2.0.0b3 and extensions (per rane's instructions), and let serato 1.9 automatically install the bundled 1.1.7f1 driver, magically my mixer comes online again - still having all the normal issues that it had before the new driver.

So this is an issue landing back on serato's plate.

At this point RANE and SERATO and APPLE all need to get on a frickin' call together and work this out. It has gone past the point of having an inferior product / products, and software for that matter, and needs to be address asap for your client base, or I guarantee you this will be the end of long time serato and rane supporters.

Please listen to all these people on this forum, and address all these issues people are still having quickly.

Thank you!

^^^RyanPC, I would highly recommend to find a mentor to help teach you how to properly maintain all of your computers. Your issues are 100% avoidable with the proper guidance.

Hey RyanPC

Without knowing exactly what steps you have gone through with Rane support, I can't really offer any suggestions straight away. The guys over there are great at what they do though so I'm sure they have gone through everything possible with you.

The best first guess I can make is that you may have other drivers on those machines that are conflicting with the new Rane driver. Did the Rane guys get you to move all other audio drivers out of the extensions list to see if that helped?

Please feel free to open up a help request with us too so that one of them team can double-check everything and see if there's anything else you could try. Just click through using the button next to the comment box here in this thread.

I can assure you the QA process for these drivers was very thorough (hence the delay in supporting). There must be something going on locally with those two machines that we should be able to get to the bottom of.

Aaron

I will give you $1500 for that no good paper weight. Hit me up on pm if interested.

Just curious why did you not mention the SL3 when it's in the article as well. Is it working 100% or still has some incompatibility issues?

Probably because Serato hasn't vetted it themselves as of yet. You're getting Rane/Serato combined instead of two entities cross checking things out.

Na it was my bad I didn't read the full article which explains the issues with SL3 ill just stay away from EC for now.

"We have new device drivers for the Sixty-Two, Sixty-Four, Sixty-Eight, Sixty-One, and the SL3 available for download to fix compatibility issues with Apple OS X El Capitan (10.11.4). Only the latest version of El Capitan 10.11.4 (15E65) is supported. These drivers are not compatible with older OS X versions."

Yeah really don't wanna have to deal with connection issues with EC so I'll just stick with Yosemite to get me by performance wise👌🏻

Wrong quote sorry😁

"We have received reports of a connection issue with Serato DJ on some systems for devices that require the new Rane device drivers such as the Sixty-Two and the SL3. Please check the El Capitan Troubleshooting guide here if you are experiencing a Serato DJ connection issue with any of the devices that require the new Rane device driver update."

It goes down in the PM

weird thing about my sl3 and el cap, is that SSL works perfect, SDJ doesnt work, but SDJ works on my fine on my s9.

I'll open a ticket and hopefully we can get to the bottom of this. If not i'll be sending a PM to Ragman.

Hey everyone

For the SL3, there are two reasons we haven't announced Serato support for the new driver just yet.

The first is that we haven't competed the full test sweep, and the second is that there is a known connection issue which complicates running Serato DJ and Scratch Live on the same computer. Read more about it here: support.serato.com

We are still waiting on final drivers for the SL2 and SL4.

Thanks, Aaron

Funny thing is a often get an error when installing software nothing todo with djing about the serato scratch driver so i ended up deleting it, this is on Yosemite. Seems something funky going on with that driver in newer operating systems.

Yeah, that wouldn't be too surprising as it was built a long long time ago and to my knowledge hasn't been touched in quite a few years now. It also behaves in a way that is quite unusual for a driver so I could understand if newer OSs and other software get freaked out by it.

You don't happen to remember what the error was specifically?

Sorry no i jist remember it was a pop up windowd with yellow triangle ! Then something about the seratoscratch kext file.

All good man, thanks for the heads up.

Hey Mr. Goodkat

Yes, Scratch Live will still work, but you will need to delete (or move out) the seratoscratchdriver.kext file each time after you use SSL, otherwise you will have an issue with connection in SDJ.

Just an FYI, the Scratch Live installer doesn't work on El Capitan. Scratch Live will still be there and likely work if you previously had it installed, but you can't perform a fresh install of SSL on OS X 10.11

Aaron

The installer gods have smiled upon me then. I have reproduced these results in a multitude of
instances.

i.imgur.com

Nice.

Odd, but nice :)

Have you managed this with all point releases of 10.11 or just a recent one? You don't have System Integrity Protection turned off by any chance do you?

Cheers

I can confirm this with the last few point releases. I also have left SIP enabled.

Weird.

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks for the info, man. I'm going to look into it.

Aaron

Yeah, of course. Please let me know if you need any other information regarding this oddity of a situation. :)

Have you ever had Scratch Live installed on this machine prior to El Capitan?

No, only Serato DJ.

Oh well, like you say, the installer gods must be smiling on you :)

I've just looked into it again here and it's still definitely broken.

Cheers

Has anyone had any recent problems with El Capitan 10.11.4 Serato 1.9.0 (using a Rane 62) freezing problems, I do have the stuttering problem too, I over read something about turning off the WiFi is that true??

So after an hour and half on the phone with tech support, and deleting all my .kext extensions files, it's working now.

The tech and I narrowed it down to 55 .kext files, one of which was causing the connection conflict. He has all those files now and will be testing them over the next couple days to see which exact file it was.

So for anyone else out there that was having the same or similar issues that I was experiencing, try this out and see if it doesn't fix your problem.

GO TO : MacHD > system > Library > Extensions > and delete all the .kext files it will let you as the administrator. The rest of the .kext files will not be able to be deleted as they are need to run OS X (and it will tell you this when you attempt to delete it )

Before you empty the trash it's a good idea to back up the files in the trash before permanently deleting them.

Empty your trash and after thats done, Restart your computer and you should be good to go if you installed the drivers correctly.

Thanks to Aaron, and Chez, and hope this helps others!

Hey thanks for that RyanPC, it was good you and Chez were able to get there in the end.

Identifying driver conflict is a time-consuming process, but always worth it. Once Chez identifies the problematic driver, we'll pass the info to Rane and they should be able to determine the cause and hopefully prevent conflict in future.

There are just so many drivers out there and with the constantly shifting sands of Apple in terms of spec, it's relatively common for some to become conflicting.

Glad you're up and running man!

Aaron

Hey DJ SPOO-KAY

Sounds like it would be best for you to open up a ticket with the team as well (button next to the comment box). There isn't any global issue with your setup so it would be best for someone to work through it with you directly.

Cheers, Aaron

Thanks Aaron E!!

All good man.

Just an FYI, we are about to head into our weekend here and there will only be a couple of people on. Someone will get to you as soon as possible though.

Cheers

hello Aron, the only problem that I continue to see is that when you first start comes on the cpu ball in red and yellow, this also happens when I press on the effects (any) creating a dropout., then everything works perfectly, same problem on OS X 10.10.5. Now I do not know if it's because I restored earlier by time machine, and then later upgraded to El Cap. My latency is set to 5ms, my MacBook Pro is an early 2013 retina. 8 gb ram. 256 ssd with i7 2.4 ghz

Read this: osxdaily.com

Try it, the kext problem should be gone, you should use:

csrutil enable --without kext

just a tip, never tried it as I'm not using SDJ with El Capitan!

after testing everything fine with 1.9/62/SSL on my SD card install EL Capitan I made the jump on my main drive today (after a time machine backup ;) )

But I got the connecting hardware issue on 1.9 after installing the updated 62 drivers.

Once I removed the SeratoScratchDriver.kext my 62 connected fine to SDJ 1.9

One thing I noticed after the update is the waveforms are running super smooth with El Capitan and 1.9 :)

Just need to check everything is all good with Ableton + vst's and test SDJ 1.9 a bit longer but looks OK now.

Would I be better off waiting for Serato to 'fully support' the SL3 and do whatever firmware update needs to be done in a week or two?

I'm not particularly keen to faff around with Serato .kext files (I'd like to have Scratch Live available as a back-up as well - With as little complication as possible)

Not used SSL in ages so not a big deal for me..

Without the SeratoScratchDriver.kext file SSL connects and works with the 62 just the MIDI functions don't work like cues/loops/library controls etc...

Really liking El Capitan for just general laptop stuff and everything looks fine with SDJ and Ableton so not switching back to Yosemite..

I just moved it to a temp directory so I could move it back easily if I need it.

If I could bet some money, I would put it on 'months' ;-)

Question.

If i remove SeratoScratchDriver.kext file and place in another folder, this should allow my Rane SL3 box to work. However, in some venues that I they have the DDJ SZ contorller. With the SeratoScratchDriver.kext file relocated, will the controllers still respond OR di i have to place that file back in original location.

I WISH RANE would fix this already!!!!

Thanks for the help guys..

Why don't you just stay on Yosemite and save yourself this uncertainty.

Except you have a spanking new mbp.

To all, is there something in El Capitan that is that important that you will upgrade at the cost of ruining a source of income...djing

not on purpose, at least for me. i waited until DJ was certified for EC. never considered that my rarely used SL boxes would be affected. oversight on my part.

that said, the new os is nice since my computer is my all around computer, but i initially waited, and will do so each time to make sure DJ works first.

Hey dj zaza, you should open up a help ticket for that. It will probably take a bit of investigation to figure out what might be happening there.

Hey Julio Serra



The DDJ SZ will be unaffected by the presence or location of the seratoscratchdriver.kext. It's only the SL3 that seems to be having issues with this file.

Cheers, Aaron

and the Rane 62, I had to remove the seratoscratchdriver.kext also with this hardware

Maybe i should switch to Traktor. Native doesn't have any issues with its products and new drivers are available all the time. El Capitan is almost a year available from Apple. Is that what Rane calls hard work to solve any issues? Do your job Rane, and stop telling us (your clients) that you are just working hard.

the seratoscratchdriver.kext issue is due to SSL being obsolete and not supported/developed anymore.

If you do not have SSL and SDJ installed on the same laptop with El Capitan then there is no issue running SDJ + updated Rane drivers.

You're kidding right?


I'm gonna give you a pass on this statement because it sounds like you're totally misinformed.

Apple also did 4 beta test for El Capitan and still fucked things up for the official release. Sure Rane was late to support the OSX but I don't really blame them EC has many issues.

I just restored my macbook pro to Mountain Lion and took it to the Apple store and they installed Yosemite for me.

So this still isn't working? My laptop "died", now bought a new one and obviously no way around El Capitan... *sigh* not just people purposely "risking a source of income" here, everybody might need a new MacBook eventually. Those things don't last forever

does anyone know what's so different about the sl2 & 4 that only the sl3 works?

Sold more SL-3s so it was done first then i guess with the issies of the SL-3 driver and Serato still not officially supporting it they have to fix the SL-3 drivers and at same time make sure they get the SL2&4 Driver correct first time.

1. Some stuff works "ok"
2. There is some black magic that can be done on any of the current MacBook Pro's to put Yosemite on them.

First I would try with your current set up to install everything and see what happens after 1-2 hours of stress testing it. As long as you keep your AppleID and upgraded over the years via the App Store you can still download a copy of whatever OLDER OS X versions you have gotten over the years. With the current 2015 retina's Yosemite is as old as you can go, there is nothing HARDWARE wise locking you to El Cap but of course it comes pre installed on anything you buy new.

You'll have to size up your situation and go from there.

its sounds backwards to say it, but prob just shoulda bought a used one that had yosemite on it.

i wouldnt even take the time to stress test because mine experience was that it was fine for about a month and then the problems started to come in.

even thought it was a power issue with my sat gig because i was having more audio glitches and it crashed twice, the last time with the distortion issue people have brought up.

used the same computer and mixer with ML instead of EC last week annnnd 0 issues, even played with another dj using 1.81 and me using 1.9 SDJ and it was fine.

i'd do everything i could to get off EC, because you cant time machine backwards, if you do setup your computer. So an entirely fresh install would have to happen after you installed all your music, etc

Considering all the potential risks its just the smart thing to do for the professional dj who has no room for failure.

get a cheap 2012. as we've discussed before, last mac to upgrade yourself with cheap ram and 2 bays for hdd storage.

from another thread marco.org

A mid 2014 still comes with Yosemite. At least my Mid 2014 did that I purchased from Best Buy.

if she wants one cheap and upgradeable 2012s are still sold and cheap and upgradeable and the specs work with SDJ.

True a 2012 would be suitable. I even heard the extended the recall with earlier models with graphics defects to dec 2016. They fixed my friends 2011 MacBook for free which originally would of cost $300. His whole hard drive/logic board crashed just recently.

So maybe I should try to take my Mid 2010 model back to them cause 2 years ago they gave me the run around...🙄

I still have another old mac that runs on snow leopard LOL however I really don't want to take chances, reason I bought a new one... so what you guys are saying if that if it passes an 1-2 hr stress test it's fine? I've heard that sometimes it can look all stable to then just fail at some random point :-/
(on a side note: I'm using the SL2, and don't really feel like buying a SL3 now just because I had to buy a new laptop...)

You got SL-2 and El Crapitan so that ain't going to work for you. Well unless you use Scratchlive and give that a couple hour test.

^ He's right unfortunately their is no driver support for SL2 w/El Capitan except for the SL3. They are "apparently" still testing driver support for SL2 & SL4. However I have even heard of issues with El Capitan's latest driver with SL3. So it's best to stay clear away from El Capitan or take your chances.

You can read more here about the El Capitan update. Notice the only SL box that has new drivers is the SL3 dj.rane.com

This is ridiculous.... -.- I am using SL but no room for failing equipment here :-( I'll see if I can get it down graded to mountain lion, but dear Rane please fix it!! People can't avoid El capitan forever...

You won't be able togo that old Yosemite would be the oldest but iv herd they have flashed firmware on the 2015macs sold since El Capitan to stop you putting Yosemite on even. So could just be stuck with ScratchLIVE for now.

I agree with you. We are already in May and it's been months since we've seen drivers for SL2 & SL4...not sure what makes the SL3 so much different pretty sure they use the same audio engine. Hopefully we see something before June.

I don't mind scratchlive, but people's said they were having issues with that as well.
I'll take it to the shop and try, I don't know if this is also a capitan issue but it turned itself off twice yesterday instead of going into standby... I'm not willing to deal with bugs like that from a brand new MacBook pro.

You can try this but I think it's only for supported hardware. Some users have found great results following this video however I don't think they are using an SL2 or SL4 but it's maybe worth a shot.
Watchwww.youtube.com

^ Correction my bad that's for the 62 and SL3 workarounds.

So you are saying the mac just shut itself off on it's own? That is weird. Have you tried updating the mac for more el capitan updates? Maybe it has improved. I can't say cause I'm still using yosemite but I feel for those on new computers not knowing their hardware or serato wouldn't play well with it.

From an experienced professional DJ's perspective there is nothing ridiculous about this. For many of us professional DJs failure is not an option so we don't take unnecessary risks to risk our reputation for the sake of new shiny software.

Now once you understand this way of thinking you will learn that any operating system is absolutely avoidable, especially el capitan. This is common knowledge to us.

When failure is not an option, stability and reliability is your sole priority while no fucks are given to anything else.

Now if you own a new mac and the avoidance of the eL captain is not an option you should be looking into partitioning your new Mac and installing Yosemite, mavericks or mountain lion.

E L captain is too risky and is therefore not an option for many of us experienced professional DJs. We intentionally remain 1, 2 or 3 operating systems behind because we know what the noobs don't. We use them as the guinea pigs in order to avoid repeating their failures. I can say this openly without fear of reprisal because they do not read.

So be smart or except the fact that there are smarter DJs plotting to take your job in hopes of your ignorance.

Until you except this way of dj life, you are destined to failure. Good luck with that.

If you would have read my prior comments you would know that I had to buy a new mac because my old one broke. Nothing to do with wanting any fancy or shiny new things, last time I've checked professionals try to replace broken things, to be able to stay conpetitive... with that being said I'm the last person to change a running system unless I have to.

Yes lol and no, not updating, I'll try to get them to down grade :-p
Side note: please excuse the typos, texting from a german cell phone

I'm guessing you might be new here and possibly new to mac so you may not quite get how it applies to you. But I was aware that you have an old and new Mac when I replied.

lol

no, I have 2 old ones, a MacBook and a MacBook pro, the pro which I used for DJing and that's now broke. So I'm neither new to Mac nor "here"... I just really don't see why you feel the need for judgmental comments. If you can't contribute anything helpful, it's okay not to comment. And I'm saying this as a fellow professional DJ with endorsements etc.

Oh OK I get it , you think I'm attacking you.

Your comment was pointless. Nothing to do with "attacking", there is an issue I didn't purposely initiate and all you had to say is "be smart" lol how are you smart about things breaking and having to replace them, besides buying old equipment and having similar issues soon again?

thats just what he does.


i even went back and upgraded/cloned the last hd i had to a terabyte and stuck with Mountain Lion(which will be upgraded to Yosemite soon).

as i went back thru and searched some issues with mountain lion and serato dj, there were a few issues even with ML. Im sure all the other OS',s when new, have had problems.

the weird thing is that after a few months almost all of those problems were fixed to the extent SDJ and SSL would work with them. El Cap hasn't been so friendly and is continuing to cause problems. Pioneer kit seems to have less problems than Rane products, but still, its just one of those things thats not worth even playing with.

if it were a jeopardy question it would read like this

question

Guns, fire and El Capitan

answer

what are things you don't play with

Thanks for the advice guys! I down graded to Yosemite and got the RAM replaced because that seemed to be the reason for it shutting down completely :-) should be fine now

Love it when plan comes together. Also good that you could downgrade as some users said Apple shop told them it couldn't be done.

Apple shop did the down grading. All data was gone again but I just had the data from the time machine back up on there anyways, so no loss

Let's hope cause ram wouldn't have anything to do with shutting down that sounds more like a graphics/logic board problem. Did they test your Mac for defects? I only hope they did as some models have graphics problems. Hope to hear back later that everything is running fine for you.

Yeah they ran every test they had and said it can only be the RAM, because that's what holds onto temporary information. So if it shuts off instead of going into standby that's the only thing they can think off besides a cable that they already checked and which is fine. Didn't shut off anymore after they replaced it either (until now at least)

Just have to bark up the right tree. Hopefully this will shut up the people who claim otherwise. Until the next hardware refresh there is NO reason you can't go back to Yosemite, all current MPB hardware on the market is PRE El Cap.

MPB = MBP wooops

Yep i know this but some people where told in apple shop that the firmware is different on macs released after el capitan dropped and you can't downgrade as it stops it. Now i guess we know that is not true. I guess depends how good the staff are in the store you go into.

Exactly. Not all geniuses are geniuses.

has anybody try SDJ 1.9.1 with the Rane 60 series?

on el capitan?

Hey Terrence, I have :)

Seriously though, it's all good to go with the new El Capitan drivers bundled with Serato DJ. Just install 1.9.1, connect your Sixty-Series mixer and click the prompt to install the new driver (if you don't have it installed already).

Cheers, Aaron

Still waiting on the guinea pigs :)

Learnt the hard way.

Yep, let the guinea pigs and lab rats be the test dummies :)

yep, all you get outta serato vets now is, 'hell nah'

Always happy to be your lab rat, guys :P

but not happy to share what windows based pc you guys use for testing

Haha, hey sparky, how are things?

For testing we use a range of Windows machines running on all supported Windows versions. This is an El Capitan thread right?

Aaron

interesting, can you supply a make and model of one that runs sdj and all plugins and video with no usb dropouts with the buffer set to the lowest, that would be great

What I found funny -_-
When I was on El Cap... Months ago, the only thing that worked fine was when I used my old SL1 box.

i have 1.9.1 on a 2012 mac pro with el captian and so far so good. Running through a 62

Could you test to see if the bridge, mixtape and ssl works with the new drivers of the sixty eight on el captiano.

Note am still on Yosemite rocking the bridge and ssl i do not want to risk it upgrading to el capitno and regreat later

^^^ am on a macbook pro mid 2012

Haha, knew I'd wear it for saying that.

Nah sorry man, Scratch Live won't use the new drivers on El Capitan even if you install them. I'd recommend staying put on Yosemite to keep rocking The Bridge.

with my 62, okay, on Macbook pro retina early 2013

www.macrumors.com

Another reason to not touch El Cap with a 1000000000' pole.

Hahahaha lol i know

Still having issues with connectivity of my Sixty One upon doing the 1.9.1 update along with the drivers. Once I plug in the mixer the status bar informs me that it may take a minute to connect, upon waiting upwards to 5 minutes, no connection was made. Is there any steps I should take prior to installing update?

Hey RicDaRoc

Were you prompted to install the new driver in the side panel inside Serato DJ when you connected thee mixer?

You could try uninstalling the driver , re-starting and then opening Serato DJ and connecting the mixer. This should prompt you to re-install the driver and might help.

If this doesn't work, open up a help request by hitting the button to the right of the comment box and one of the support team will take a look with you.

Cheers, Aaron

Hey RicDacRoc
Try also to delete mixer in midi Panel, then reconnect it I solved it, I had the same problem.

^ Good thing to try :)

The steps for getting this done are in here under MIDI connection and configuration: support.serato.com

These directions were sort of vague for me guys sorry.. Im not sure where in Serato DJ I should be configuring these settings.

Sorry about that man.

The steps I was referring to are for doing in Mac OS X itself. If you're unfamiliar with these parts of the OS, it might pay to open up a ticket and have one of the team help you out.

Drop the link to this forum thread in the body of the message and someone will guide you through it.

Cheers

i want to update to el capitan but im sketchy about it, im running on a mbp 2008 with a 64 mixer

Am I correct in thinking Rane have not yet fixed the SL2 El Capitan issue?

That is correct, Seems we will see an updated SL-3 Driver new SL-2 and SL-4 Drivers. But when who knows

I hope that these drivers do not cause problems with future versions of osx, also because I think, but I don't want to think of it, that the products will Rane. In the end I know we will have products that we paid dearly and that will be hard to resell. But I think it's unfortunately the end of all hardware over the years.

Thanks LJ.

Looks like I'll be creating a partition then and transferring the data over.

Joy of joys! :)

@Rane have you done any testing of the 62 driver on 10.11.5 that was released yesterday ?

The SL3 is the only sound card device that is compatible with El Capitan. The SL2 and SL4 are currently not supported yet💯

Your laptop is a core2duo which is incompatible with serato DJ, you might want to get your priorities in order first.

The SL-3 new driver will work if you do the workaround tips by Rane however Serato do not support this as the driver needs more work. So like i say an updated Driver will come. (But of course at least you can with abit of troubleshooting get the SL-3 working unlike the SL-2/4)

Hi guys!

Also with the new update 1.9.1 I have an issue that serato can't find my 64! (can't connect)
In the button line of SDJ was written that seratos tries to connect to the 64 but it doesn't.
I have a mid 2011 Macbook Pro with EL-Capitan and I also updated the sound drivers?
On a second system on another partition with Yosimite everything works fine.
(but my main system runs on El Capitan)
Pls help!

I have a new question for serato... Have you guys tested the new 10.11.5 release with sdj? just wondering if its safe.

after the whole debacle with getting serato dj to even function with El Capitan, I would lean towards the side of caution and not even update until there is some sort of announcement that it is safe.

oh, im not going to update until i get word from them.

Hey guys 10.11.5 seems totally fine to us. Minor point releases usually are.

If you want to play it safe though, maybe wait a week or two to see if any chatter emerges. shouldn't take long if there's some random issue out there that we haven't picked up.

Hey RicDaRoc

We think we may have figured this out. Have you ever installed ITCH on your computer (our old controller software)?

Either way, if you follow these steps you should be good to go:

1. Open a Finder window.
2. Click on your Macintosh HD drive.
3. Click on the Library folder.
4. Click on the Audio folder.
5. Open the MIDI Drivers folder.
6. Delete the file; XONE_DX MIDI Driver.plugin
7. Restart the computer.

It seems there is some kind of conflict between this old driver and the new 60 series El Capitan drivers. Removing it is working for us so should be the solution you need.

Cheers, Aaron

Thanks for the advice! I tried this step but that file wasn't there at all. Tried deleting what I thought to be was the driver from the sixty one, tried reconnecting and having the same result. I already opened up a ticket because Im beyond lost on this one now..

updated to 10.11.5 last night.. 20mins test with a 62 .. no issues so far.

I also now home, an hour of music, no problem. OSX 10.11.5

Thanks for the reports boabmatic and zaza, good to know :)

Nice one opening up a help ticket @RicDaRoc. While you're waiting for one of the team, could I get you to try going to that MIDI driver folder again and copying everything out onto the desktop.

After you've done that, delete all the files from the MIDI driver folder, then re-start your computer and try connecting the 62 again. I'd be keen to know whether that helps at all.

Thanks!

I'm glad that serato and its software is keeping up with the times. to this date no sl2 driver from rane and i and the public have access to 10.11.6 betas. now i know its probably wrong to complain about another company's product but I have the sl2 so i can use SeratoDJ and all the goodies i have bought, PnT, Flip, FX packs, and even bought a second license for controller support for my little mix track , and or using a guest controller when out on gigs. so i have invested both money and time in serato. I posted on rane's forum about how this issue is an example of ignoring their company's mission statement, which is posted on their website and a long rant on how their social media accounts offer no advice other than propaganda and retweets of events, product placements, etc... I feel like i am the only one trying to force any info out of rane. They did at one point contacted me directly to help them then nothing for over 7 months - only mixers and sl3 ( which I hear is buggy ) - so I must ask, I spent 500 bucks on this useless box, It works on my other macbook pro with mix emergency and all the other software i paid for, its like RANE has given up or they need a hard look at their employees and do a performance review. I have seen you deliver three updates to seratoDJ, 3 solid updates ( pulse locker i have my reservations but that another rant for another time lol) I do a video mix show, so I have no choice but to use my older macbook pro 13 rather than my brand new macbook pro 15 with retina. can serato issue some kind of statement in regards to this extremely long wait with rane and to those who love your software and want to use new computers and apple's newest OS. technology doesn't stop for other people, it shouldn't have to stop for DJs too. RANE's silence is becoming a bad time for those that realize denon has a stable and cheaper sound card that does exactly the same thing the SL2 does,I have been holding off and will wait until WWDC for a driver update, but if and on announcement at WWDC the new version of mac os x, (MACOS) is made, i am calling for some sort of class action in regards to RANE and the 500 dollars i spent just a month before El Capitan was released. pdidy please feel free to comment, I actually enjoy reading the statements you issue. :) I have asked RANE to let the consumer be involved in testing or release to open source code community, which i would believe could have solved this in a matter of days, but alas i only got a vague answer from RANE, as they couldn't discuss as it remains a in company process. WTF is that, I only ask serato to help the consumer and DJ's as a whole, we bought the SL1, and SL2 boxes to add to our DJ rig, those of us who bought macs did so for the MAC OS X experience. Why is it that RANE is forcing us to sit and wait, or downgrade, or listen to pre prepared statements and a website and social accounts that patronize the regular DJ and offer no answers to one simple question..... why is it taking so long?

every month about midway they say something like the update is coming, they are working hard, every month they have said this. please Serato, as a company that is highly respected in the DJ business world, get onto rane for this outrage, by my count, more djs buy a rane SL box than their mixers, price wise its easier to get into digital DJing without turning to , uh pioneer and their outrageous pricing.

ok RANT DONE - begin pdidy comment subroutine now: lol go for it dude

No one is saying don't keep up with the future, just don't be an idiot and upgrade to an OS with known issues and then gripe about it.

We ain't talking about the guys running XP and SSL 1.9.x - waiting a year to migrate isn't dumb,

pdidy over to you. 😈

Maybe they are about to discontinue the current line of hardware.

The SL1 and 57SL situation.

Maybe, maybe not.

If it's such a headache to write codes. Then they might as well discontinue, fine we will complain but we will find closure.

I haven't updated to Capitan yet. Mac works fine with SX, WeGo3 and 62.

Every week I see a prompt from the app store telling me that Capitan is available, the rate at which the pop up comes I'm sure some Apple guy is gonna ring me to ask why I haven't updated lol.

Seriously though, it's been almost a year.

the only reason the sl1 and 57 were discontinued was to push the sales of the newer mixers and boxes it had nothing to do with not being able to code them to the software,

there must be something seriously wrong with the serato/rane relationship,

their new mp2015 mixer was not serato compatible at launch for ages and its was not due to any technical issue, and the mp2014 is still not supported,

not to mention rane can't get the finger out and resolve the sl2/4 issues

and i believe even the rane ttm57mk 2 has issues that haven't been resolved since launch

MP4 - TTM57SL - SL-1 still have an issue on Windows operating systems with Intel i series processors and this was never fixed as Microsoft refused to do the fix Rane needed.

Please list any and all benefits received by immediately updating to El Capitan specific to a Serato user ONLY.
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ups and downs, smiles and frowns

Rane should seriously remove this loony pdidy from their forums, this guy is recklessly damaging Rane's remaining reputation with any new user with his blind obedience, asslicker-attitude and arrogant "Pro" talk.
Do you expect a job from Rane, pdidy? I could throw up everytime I read your comments, I mean it.

There is situations when you answer with the usual arrogant, senseless jibberish and then the next message is Rane with a serious, friendly, calm and explaining attitude.
Pretty contrast, you should wonder why, "Pro".
If it was for delusional morons like you I would never ever buy Rane again, let's hope others don't mix Rane's attitude with their submissive salivating lapdog's.

In short:
You have serious serious issues,diddyp.
I am pretty sure you are smoking too much, i know your type.
I strongly despise your childish forum police behavior, this helps nobody except satisfy your own smoke-induced know-it-all attitude and dogmatism.

Thanks Rane for fixing 10.11.4 for now!!

Bravo! I'm testing the 10.11.6, yesterday I mixed for 2 hours, and no problems with 62, there is a problem with cards sl2/4, will be resolved, but many don't have the patience to wait, I can understand those who purchased a mac recently and is not permitted to install yosemite. But you have to come to grips with aging hardwere and that sooner or later they must be replaced, I am not referring to the latest products, but those who have some have already behind. Then if you are not happy you can sell the product, buy another if it is believed that this will not have any problems.

Ha ha thats a good one, you do know Rane don't run anything around here?

and as far as reputation Rane are doing the damage themselves with their lack of ability to release drivers/fixes in a timely manner

You just exposed yourself as a true idiot. pdiddy can be annoying at times, but at least his message is true.

Windows users rolled back their OS to Win 7 from 8 and 10 upon their releases, why is it so hard for you thick headed people to do the same?

Some of you supposed DJs should just stick to TTs and a mixer and leave the tech behind if you can't handle it.

Dam dood. How did you let Diddy get under your skin like this?

that S stands for serato.

rane is here

dj.rane.com

Yes I am annoying but its all intentional and planned to draw attention to the issue, It will piss some people off while also forcing them to listen to the warning message and think about their actions..........There is a "method to the madness", meaning There is often a plan behind a person's apparently inexplicable behavior..


Good point......(note to self, remember that for future debates) lol

You may have had a percentage of a point if you weren't acting so butthurt about it.

I'm also struggling with the El Capitan issue, but thankfully, I'm not DJing to make a living. I can afford to sit back even if its an inconvenience. While this situation sucks balls, I would DEFINITELY be reverting OS/partitioning etc. because its my livelihood to do so.

Otherwise, attacking a knowledgable yet sarcastic dude who is far from the problem is idiotic at best.

Owl G .....if that's what you think then YOU JUST DON'T GET IT YET.

And when you do "GET IT" my sarcastic nature will no longer appear offensive too you.

Its ok, you're just a lil slooooooow sir...... but i have faith you will eventually catch up and "GET IT" like the other smart people....lol

Relax, P.

Didn't mention how your sarcastic nature is offensive to me, at any point.

Owl G , my sincere apologies.......Im still a lil wasted and reading improperly after many shots of Hennnny...lol

Drunk posting is bad......lol

Its ok, you're just a lil slooooooow sir...... but i have faith you will eventually catch up.

Touché, And well deserved.

😂

in the interest of beating this dead horse, but from a different angle, does anyone know what the technical differences are between the sl2,3&4? i'm curious why only the 3 should be working and it's taking so long to get the other 2, especially one that's newer.

This situation is ridiculous!! Almost an year... what about those who just bought a new mac?

I would think the SL4 is more like a Rane 62/64 since it's dual USB and the newest. As for the SL2, that is if I recall correctly the most recent addition and it may have newer components and thus different code to make the driver work. The SL3 has been around the longest and may be different as things were learned as a result and adapted for the newer devices. But that's my best guess.

Now taking bets on what will come earlier, drivers for SL4 or OS X 10.12

wait, so they weren't released in numerical order? who did that, george lucas?

Install Yosemite.

1) the only people I feel bad for is someone who has an iMac model from the past 6 months (awkward, but hey I get it)
2) you shouldn't be doing SDJ on a MacBook, so I don't feel bad for you
3) until the MacBook PRO refresh comes out THIS year, you can get a copy of Yosemite and run it just fine on any MacBook Pro out in the wild.

If you haven't figured out that Apple did the fucking over and can't cope with it, get out of the game.

I dont think many people recognize this .... a perfect storm occured...

It's pretty simple. The SL2 replaced the old SL1 with better components, the SL3 has an aux for recording your set, and the SL4 can run up to 4 decks/2 USB sound cards👍🏻 I might be missing something however even though the SL3 has driver support for El Capitan some users are still having problems.

HA HA thats funny.... you buy a new mac and install an older system, VERY clever my friend!

It's funny that everyone elses work 🙄

Funny is you buy a expensive and new device, with a brand new mac, and CANNOT use without using the OLD system. You must be JOKING!

It's funny to you because you're not a professional DJ yet, had you been a professional DJ your priorities would be much different. A professional only cares about stability and reliability on the best operating system possible, those are his stole priorities. While you believe it's important to have a new operating system with the new Mac (now that's funny).

Your thought process does not prioritize stability and reliability which is unprofessional. Notice how YOU differs drastically compared to a professional dj ?

It really DOES NOT matter if i am or not a professional DJ. RANE is selling a product for everybody and MUST respect the pros and not pros! Thats my point Mr. Professional

Everybody knows the truth except you, so I guess the joke is on YOU. :)

Yes the joke is ME, and not a device that does not work properly, LOL

There is at least 3 different operating systems compatible with all devises but you're only concerned with the one that doesn't ?

There you go thinking like an amateur again.

Yosemite will be a compatible operating system for at least another 3 - 4 years. In that time there will likely be 3 new OS X RELEASES, so remind me in 2020 too start worrying about rane device comparability........lol

i understand the different functionality, i'm wondering what's different inside with the 3 latest boxes, and how one released in the middle is supposedly working while one after it isn't.

pioneer adapted to the situation but rane can't, apple even made a few changes that they bitched about but still they can't offer support for the sl2/4, shows their in incompetence and lack of ability to adapt

rane didnt have the money or manpower or (internal expertise possibly) to do what pioneer did..pioneer could afford to do the work..even if apple came along and broke what pioneer fixed..this is what it boils down to..rane have said themselves they were not prepared to spend the money and time on a fix which could be broken by apple..but they had yosemite to buy them time..if they didnt they really would be in the shit

I Think the answer too that question may be above our pay grade. And I doubt rane will care to provide details.

gotcha. just thought someone might know like "oh yeah, different chips in each one" or something

The fact is WE DONT KNOW but I also share this theory. Btw Apple actually did break pioneer twice and they fixed it twice.....lol

I read the blog article posted on rane's website - dj.rane.com This states as of March 30, 2016 the SL2/4 drivers and hopefully a patch SL3 without the current known bugs will be forthcoming. That's two months that have passed without updates pubic updates from Rane.

Even if there were a couple people working on this I would think that problem should have been solved given that this was probably already in flight work that started much earlier than March 2016.

Apple clearly caused the avalanche with the El Capitan issue - Not just Rane drivers broke. Rane explained the issue on their site too, easy to find if you care to read the low level details.

What is the most troubling for me is Rane's lack of status or update.

Im trying to figure this out myself. My only guess is they had a fix for the SL3 cause it sold more due to the aux for recording. They all use the same drivers anyways so I don't know why the SL2, SL4 are still awaiting a fix. Must be something in those devices we don't know about🤔 Don't think we'll see a fix anytime soon they'll come out with a new mixer and other devices with driver support for El Capitan and the SL boxes will be left in the dust... It makes sense considering they are all "Scratchlive" boxes anyways and they have discontinued all development. They prob hate that users are still using Scratchlive so they are just gonna let this phase out... Lol that's my guess.

sl3 was release first, most likely sold the most and has the most users.

my sl3 worked with ssl and el cap.

dj.rane.com

Beta drivers for the SL2 and 4 released

Please note that the recently released Rane SL 2 and SL 4 drivers are currently in beta and should be treated as unstable.

Some connection issues may occur using the Rane products below, please refer to the Rane El Capitan Troubleshooting guide (dj.rane.com) if you do encounter connection issues.

We will continue to test these drivers and will let all our users know if support becomes available.

Regards

Thank you for the update Scott.

got a kernel panic upon restarting after driver installation..got it restarted by holding power button, seems ok there. opened DJ and it attempted to connect to my sl2, but never did. gonna try a couple things to see if i can get it recognized.

Hi all,

The team at Rane are monitoring their forums for feedback on the beta drivers, so please don't forget to post there too -> dj.rane.com

Cheers,
Michael.

thanks, done

Nice one, thanks defjamblaster!

i have been able to successfully use the sl2 with DJ & el capitan based on the troubleshooting link provided by michael r above. basically, once i installed the driver, i had to delete some preferences. then i had to go into system preferences and then click on the sl2 box at the bottom. this allowed me to update the firmware of the sl2, then it worked as expected. the link to rane walks you through all of it. not sure what the initial kernel panic was all about, but everything seems fine now. i've restarted several times to see if there would be any more issues, none so far.