Wow, 13 hours and not a single reply.......hmm, that's not very encouraging! Perhaps I should give up on having an all-in-one controller with spinning platters. Maybe I should just buy (3) 3900s, a Sixty-Four, an SP1, and a Custom Coffin. Unfortunately, that would take me years to save up for. I really need to find somewhere that is displaying the NS7II.

After playing extensively with a S4 MKII on Traktor Pro 2.xx for about 2 weeks, I decided on buying a controller. I was digging some of Traktor features...especially the sample decks and effects. Their gater effect always times nicely with the track....neat stuff. My thought at the time was Traktor native controller.

One thing though.... To me there is something unnatural about non-motorized plastic jogs.

Anyway.....mid-October, my local GC gets two NS7 IIs in. They allow me to open and set one up in the store. From hello I was sold. I literally goofed around with it for 5 minutes and bought it.


I think you will love the NS7 II. It is built like a tank and as silly as it sounds, it is a piece of hardware you can be proud of. It is a big departure from traditional controllers.

The backlit MPC pads very pro looking and a joy to operate....not blinding or kiddy looking.

The separate side of cue buttons are great when you are using the MPCs for the other functions.

I am stoked with it. There isn't another controller I would rather have...period.

It would awesome if Serato would add another sample deck...run one deck from the left MPCs and run the other sample deck from the right MPCs.

Looking at the build quality of the current NS7 II, I doubt it is going wear out prematurely. Tune up that laptop and off you go.

My suggestion.....go for it.

Not bad for a first post, Trinity ;)

Thank you. Believe me, I could go on and on....didn't want bore anyone with a massive review..as there are a couple full reviews out there by the pros. If you have any Qs, just ask I will try to remember to watch this thread.

While I appreciate and respect the reviews that Mark (DJWorx) & Phil (DigitalDJTips) did for the NS7II, what I am really after are the opinions of the everyman....what they think of it after using it endlessly for weeks, and even months.

Gotcha. Another cool feature are the real slipmats. You can set the tension of the vinyl on them to get "right" feel. Hopefully others will chime in with feedback.

I had a 6 hour session on it with no hangs or issues.
Running a 2ms latency on the NS7 II. I have run 1ms of latency with no issues...but 2ms gives me a little more of a buffer. Serato 1.5.2. Processor I7-2670qm w/ 16gb ram (8mb matched set of Gskill)

Have been running with the NS7II for a couple of weeks now. All I can say is just awesome. There have been some comments that the active platters do nothing. However, I have to disagree. I have tuned the platters correctly and can adjust the pitch of the track in just the same way with a little pressure on the side of platter as I do with my 1210s.
The pad response for cuing is just unreal. Being able to drum in a cue at hi-hat pace is sweet.
The capacitive controls for effects and eq totally rock, specially on the effects blocks.
Being able to us the pads for samples and looping which still using the additional cue points really provides sweet control over the mix.
The mixer built into the controller is also excellent, it really does provide a quality sound output and with the latency setting at the lowest setting its also super responsive.
All in all it was well worth the investment, even though it is slightly more expensive than the DDJ-SX, not to mention the solid build quality. And unless you are a total wimp the weight of it is not an issue.

LOL, yeah, this always cracks me up when I read it. People claiming that it is too heavy is funny to me. One M5G is roughly the same weight as the NS7II in it's entirety. Even if you add the 50lb. case, it's still lighter than (2) Techs & 12" Mixer in a Coffin.

Thanks for your input, APB.

Having first hand experience with the unit, all of the statements in this thread are true, you won't be disappointed and it will stand up to the abuse you can throw at it.

Regards,

Forgot to also mention that bleep and reverse feature is cool too. Specially the bleep, in that when one deck is in reverse and the second is running, on release of the bleep it syncs both tracks to the next beat marker, provided you have your beat grids in place. And this does not need you to be running in sync mode, which by the way on the NS7II is really not necessary as the pitch and cue controls are very accurate.

Let me just clarify that I'm no expert at all. In fact the NS7 II is the very first DJ gear I've ever bought. But, this thing is badass. My friend has the Pioneer DDJ-SX and that looks like a toy next to my NS7 II. He also has a pair of CDJ 2000s & a DJM900 and my NS7 II is just about as big as all 3 of them combined. The bigger the better. It looks pretty cool. Also, my NS7 II can do a whole lot more than his DDJ-SX and even his CDJs. I pretty much just bought it to use at my own house parties, and I want to spin music videos that play throughout the house. The CDJs don't do that, unless you plug them to a computer anyway. I'd say buy the NS7 II ASAP.

Had mine for a few months now and I have no regrets whatsoever! Main reason I bought one was to eliminate carrying 3 separate road cases. Oh and also to cutback on setup time. I started out on a pair of Tech 1200's/records back in 1999. Throughout the years technology got better and I adapted. (Final Scratch, Serato, etc..) Now it's to the point where I have everything I need (and then some) in the NS7 II. My previous setup before purchasing the NS7 II was my two 1200's and Rane 62. I honestly doubt I'll be bringing my 1200's out for awhile. This thing is a TANK! Can't wait for the MK III version of the NS7!

Bingo....screw sync mode ....between the vinyl, pitch controls, and such it would be practically a sin to use sync mode on the NS7 II. The only time I like to use sync is when using the samples to create track.

Yeah, I love the sync'd SP-6. It's stupid to use it without sync. I hated that about ScratchLIVE!!

No regrets, but there are a few things I don't like -

The biggest one is that to use SP-6, u have to use your mouse, and there doesn't seem to a way around it (that I know). There are two pads not being used, I think they should have used one to turn Sync on/off, and the other to cycle between the channels the sample will be playing on.

Another issue I have is that to see the Video View, you have to use your mouse again, the view button doesn't cycle the video, so I think that's dumb too.

One other issue is that there's always a delay when you hit the play button, even if you turn the delay start knob to the lowest position. To get it to start immediately, you always have to hit shift/play.

Lastly, even if you turn on end-of-track-warning in Serato, there are no lights that flash on the controller. I wish you could make something flash on the controller, similar to DDJ-SX and CDJ2000s.

Those are my biggest issues so far. There are a few other small ones, but those are the biggest ones for me.

Why not make the track progress lights above the Strip Search flash....that would be a good solution.

Yeah, that would be great. The search strip lights are the most appropriate. Is there a way to do that right now or do we have to wait for Serato/Numark to change something?

you have to wait for them, but I would suggest filling out a feature request.

Good idea. Ok, I will.

That kind of sucks that a mouse is needed to use some of the SP-6 functions. But that is just the software side of things. It would be good if SDJ let's you map functions on the NS7II.

By far, my new biggest issue with it is the center lock on the Filter knobs. They're wearing out on channels 1 & 2 after less than a month of use. Others are experiencing this as well, so I'm not the only one. Every other issues can be resolved with software/firmware updates, but this one seems like a widespread hardware defect. Hopefully, Numark will have a solution.

Where are all these NS7II problems being posted to? I see this above comment, "others are experiencing this as well". But where are these problems being voiced?

Here's another posting where some of us brought it up - serato.com

Thanks Jumper.

Right now I own Numark TTX turntable and Pioneer mixer, I bought the NS7 (first day of release) because of the all in one controller with moving platters. Genius! Only problem I had with it was size if I was bringing it to a club. Not too much of a problem. I also own the NS6(first day of release) I wanted to get into 4 channel mixing. Then I bought the DDJ-SX. I will say I love the DDJ-SX (first day of release) and I didn't see a need for the NS7 mkII.

Then I had a chance to play with it a couple months after the release, recently. I have to say without any warm up or trying to figure out where anything was...I was comfortable almost immediately. All the control were right on point and the "heaftiness" of the knobs and such have me believing its built with vault like precision. I haven't had any trouble with my other controllers but, I will say if I had to drop any of the controllers onto my body the NS mkII would do so much more damage to me than itself than any other controller. I have to say that thing is a beast and I will buy be buying one. The build quality is very high and the features rival that of the DDJ-SX and then surpass it with innovative feature like the capacitive EQ and effects really are awesome.

DDJ-SX and NS7 had sex and came out a bigger and better controller called the NS7 mkII.
You won't be disappointed in the mkII...at all.

Hey Jumper4000,



You can trigger samples by using one of the pad modes. When you press the "SAMPLER" button above the 8 pad section, pads 1-6 will trigger samples. Holding SHIFT + pressing one of the pads will stop the sample playing in that slot. If the slot is empty and you use SHIFT + pads it will load the currently highlight file in the library to that sample slot. The parameter buttons will also change sample banks.



I like your ideas though. How would you turn sync on and off for each slot with only one button?



Although thats a bit annoying, we consciously left the Video panel out of the panel select cycle. Reason being; you aren't doing a video set that night, you want to cycle through your panels but you have to go through Video to get to it. As soon as you open video, the output window launches etc. I think it will cause more annoyance than its worth.. but if you can think of some less invasive way we'd be interested to consider it :)



We are working on this. It currently stays true to the platter and so the start up time is dependent on how fast the motor turns on and winds up to speed (just as you would experience with a turntable). However we are working on a solution which will be like the previously available option of "instant start" that we had for the V7 and NS7 in ITCH.

If anyone is unfamiliar with what the NS7II is capable of I strongly recommend checking out the Quickstart Guide available here: serato.com

I like your ideas though. How would you turn sync on and off for each slot with only one button?

I think what he was saying was have, say, Pad 5 cycle through all of the sample slots (1-6) w' a "highlighting" function, and have Pad 6 engage/disengage the Sync function for whichever sample slot is highlighted. It's actually not a bad idea. I mean, they are unused anyway....might as well assign some function(s) to them.

I really wish Y'all had numbered the pads Top (1-3) left to right....then, Bottom (4-6) left to right. Leaving the right most pads on each level as the inactive ones. For some reason that just makes more sense to me aesthetically. if you ever allow for controller end-user remapping, that is definitely what I am going to do.

Ah ok, it would be like a shift modifier, but instead of "shift" it would be "sync" :)

I can understand how you might want to have 3 trigger on each level rather 4 on the top and 2 on the bottom. We do want to offer remapping at some stage, but until that time we might try and make use of pads 7 and 8 in some way.

Maybe you can make pad 7 turn Sync on/off for whatever sample slot that is currently playing. Also, make pad 8 cycle the sample between the channels that it will be playing on. Right now, I always have to use the mouse to select the channel.

Why would you want to switch the channels that the sample plays through? I usually just assign Channel 3 as the dedicated channel for the SP-6, and then mix tracks on channels 1, 2, and 4.

Maybe you can add an option in the Preferences to include Video in the panel select cycle and leave it off by default. Or, even turn off that option every time Serato starts. That way, people who need it, can include video in the cycle without causing annoyance to everyone else. Right now, it's a huge pain to have to constantly click on Video.

Martin, do you have any thoughts on this?



Perhaps you can make the Search Strip LEDs blink when track is ending?

Well, since I mix a lot of videos, I always have the slider on one side or another. If my track is playing on channel 2 and I have my sample on channel 3, then I'll have to move the slider to the middle. That causes the video to split in half (unless I unlink the video which again, will require mouse interaction and just takes too long). If I could hit one of the unused pad buttons to quickly move the sample to channel 4, that would eliminate this issue.

I'll assume that by slider, you mean crossfader. If you were to use channel 3 as a dedicated channel for the SP-6 like I do, all you would have to do is turn that channel (or any other channel you prefer) to the "off" position from the front panel. Then the crossfader would no longer affect that channel. You would then use the channel fader (of whichever one you chose) to raise and lower the volume of the sample.

Another way to look at it is that you would have a 3 channel mixer for mixing tracks, and an "aux" channel for samples.

You could also assign the SP-6 to the Master Output, but then you lose the ability to assign effects and filter rolls for the samples.

Very very smart man, hehe :). I don't know why I didn't think of that. I've only had this controller for about a month. I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks for the tip :)

You're welcome.

I hope this will not come across as a negative comment as I dont know where your skills have been developed from. However, on you point of a delay on the start.

Firstly, you can switch off the active platters and the track will start without a delay. Yet if you do this I have to ask why have this controller if that is what you want.

As an old skool dj we never use the start button on our 1210s as there is a huge lag before the deck gets to full speed.

What we do is start the deck, allow it to get to full speed and then cue the track where we want to cue in by stopping the vinyl on the slip mat and when we want to bring in the track we release the deck.

With this approach and correct tuning on the NS7ii platters I have gained the same capability as I have always enjoyed on my 1210mk2s.

If you want a stop start mixing experience then you have selected the wrong controller as the capability of the NS7ii is way beyond what that style of DJ needs.

All I ask is do you scratch you mix in or do you just press the button and go?

The reason we complain about instant start with Serato DJ is because instant start worked perfectly with Itch and the original NS7. You could have the platter stopped, hit the play button, and the track would start instantly. With Serato DJ it doesn't do that, it starts up slow. If it starts up slow, sync doesn't work either, which is no big deal if you don't use sync, but if you do use sync, and you payed 1500 bucks for a controller, you expect it to work correctly, which it doesn't, so they need to fix it.

Wait am I hearing this correct? Everyone says they LOVE their Numark controllers because the experience is the closest thing to Vinyl and now when they have it act almost identical to vinyl it is a BAD thing. May I ask can you turn OFF the platter spinning and how does it act when it is off. Is it more responsive & instant LIKE EVERY OTHER static platter controller? I don't have one and I'm not being a smart ass. I'm actually wondering will this get things how you want them? I only ask this because having them spin like real Vinyl AND act instant is not possible. This is Newtons law - Objects in motion remain in motion unless acted upon. There are forces (gravity, friction etc) working against the platter and INSTANT motion is NOT possible (although we get close) and as a matter of fact this is one of the things that made Technics 1200's the standard in that they had the platters go from stand-still to full rpm the fastest.

My OPINION is there is EITHER upgraded or downgraded hardware to blame here. There could have been a lower torque motor added to the platters OR higher resolution in which the originals would have added digital compensation at platter startup (which told the software to start instantly even though the platter was not at full speed) and NOW the resolution being higher there may more of a analog feel and a "it is what it is" direct relation between platter movement and virtual deck movement. Not sure just guessing.

I always thought it was something like this. Which when you think about it, is pretty awesome. It is a digital "controller" after all. There is no reason why you can't have all the advantages of digital, with the "feel" of adjustable (torque, start/stop) platters. They nailed it with the original NS7 on ITCH. I don't see why they can't duplicate that for SeratoDJ.

I just don't understand why they would take away a feature that sooo many people LOVED about the NS7 w' ITCH.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe both Serato and Numark have said they're working on bringing this features back, so this issue is pretty much settled... Let's get them to fix the other issues with NS7 II, instead :)

....such as?

Well, I for one, would like for someone at Serato or Numark (mainly Numark) respond to this guy's comments that he made on the Numark Community page.



There are times that I like to do long mixes as well. So, before I buy an NS7II, I would like to know that I would be able to do so, if I should choose to.

Two tracks when traditionally synced (not autosynced) should stay in time for at least a minute or two with only "minor" adjustments being necessary. Are any of Y'all experiencing what this guy is going through? Is the calibration between the two motors really that far off?

If so, then Numark needs to answer for this. They need to come up w' a solution (in house) to remedy this situation. Like, can the motors be calibrated by the end user?

Come on, Y'all, I thought this was the best DJ controller EVER built......PERIOD?!!?

It certainly looks like it has the potential to be, with just a few issues that need to be resolved.

I too perform long mixes, sometimes full tracks. I have not experienced any massive issue with this, however I dont use sync. There is minor adjustments required during the mix to keep the tracks spot on, however this is acceptable for me.

Hmm, the diverging remarks by people have me thinking that there is a serious quality control issue going on. How can some people (who seem like they are not noobs) say that 2 tracks cannot be traditionally matched and stay in sync, and others say that they perform perfectly fine?

Damn it, I (selfishly) wish someone I knew in my city would just buy this thing so I can "extensively" test it out for myself. I really want to buy it, but I want it to work as it should. I am no longer interested in being a post-purchase beta tester for these companies anymore. Back in 2007, I bought the Korg Zero4 Mixer without having ever used it. Man, did that mixer have potential. If Korg had just acknowledged it's shortcomings, and gave it the support it deserved, I think it would have been the BEST performance mixer of all time. But they didn't, and it was discontinued within a couple years....hell, by it's performance it should have been discontinued within the first!!! I will NEVER go through that again! Since then, I have HEAVILY VETTED (Ad Nauseum) every piece of gear I am interested in BEFORE I spend my hard earned money on it.

The NS7II HAS to perform perfectly (or damn near close) before I'll buy one!

I play three two hour shows a week minimum on a radio station, mostly DnB but also house and trance music, which requires tight mixing. Having been running with the NS7II now for two months with Serato DJ I can defo confirm that I have had no issues, and I even now run without sync as it is much more real and allows for more creativity in the mix. Back to the old skool skills :)

I previously worked with Mixtrack Pro II and traktor, which while a sweet controller did require to run traktor in sync mode to get a real tight mix.

It was a hard choice to make the move to Serato as I was already running great shows on the old setup. However, having now bit the bullet and made the move, and now with a beast of a controller, I have no regrets and will not be going back.

Thank you for your input, APB.

I never said they don't stay in sync with sync off, the problem is that they don't stay in sync with sync on. If you don't use sync, Serato DJ works just fine. Plus sync doesn't work correctly in SDJ because instant start doesn't work. With Itch, you can have the left deck playing, then cue up the right deck, hit sync, then hit play, and the second track syncs up with the left hand track. You can hit play with both volumes on and the second track will start instantly and synced with the first track. Serato DJ doesn't do that. If you try to do the same thing with Serato DJ, the second track starts up slow and about half a beat behind the first track, and won't sync up until you hit sync again on both decks, which is ridiculous . So you can't start a mix with the volume on, because it won't sync, and because it starts up slow. Another thing that Itch does that Serato DJ won't do is this. In Itch, play a song on the left hand deck and hit sync on the left hand deck, the sync icon turns blue on your computer monitor. Now cue up a track on the right hand deck, pause it, and hit sync, the sync icon turns grey for the right hand deck. Now hit play on the right hand deck. The song starts instantly and syncs perfectly with the left hand deck. The sync icon for the left hand deck stays blue and both tracks stay synced up. Serato DJ doesn't do that. Here is how Serato DJ works. Have the left hand deck playing and hit sync on the left hand deck. The sync icon turns blue. Now cue up a song on the right hand deck, pause it and hit sync, the sync icon turns grey. So far so good. Now hit play on the right hand deck. The second you hit play on the right hand deck, the left hand deck changes from smart sync, (blue icon), to yellow icon (simple sync). It's not supposed to do that, It is supposed to stay in smart sync (blue icon). The other thing that happens is that the right hand track starts up slow, and won't sync up with the left hand track. You then have to hit sync again on both decks to get them to go back to smart sync (blue icon) and get both tracks sync back up, which is a joke if you ask me. The only way to get it to work like it does in Itch, is to turn off the platter motors, which defeats the porpoise of having motorized platters. If you don't use sync and this is not a problem for you, then go ahead and get an NS7II and enjoy it. If you use sync and are used to having it work like Itch did, you are in for a big disappointment!

I do not use sync at all for straight mixing. However, I do like to use sync w' the SP-6, and since auto-sync must be engaged on the decks in order for it to properly sync to the samples, I suppose I will need it to work as you are describing.

Here's hoping that Serato & Numark get this sorted out sooner rather than later. I'll be holding off on getting the NS7II until' it they do. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck w' the NS6/SP-1 for now. Though, I really wanted to get back to moving platters again. I sold my M5Gs this past Spring, so I am without a traditional turntable setup. I'm cool w' that, as I wanted to get away from all the maintenance that goes along with vinyl. But again, I REALLY HOPE they don't dillydally on resolving this.

These are mine (as I've mentioned before too) -

Having to use the mouse so much for SP-6 (by the way, ur suggestion to turn off channel 3 from the front worked great. thank u)

No end of track warning light (not a huge deal for me, but it's no big deal for Serato to add it either. DDJ-SX has it).

Turn on the Video Panel using the cycle button. Not having this capability irritates the crap out of me.

buy it. u'll love it.

There are never going to be enough keyboard shortcuts or re-mappings to accommodate the power of the SP-6 directly from the NS7II. My suggestion to you is buy another MIDI controller. You can get something as cheap as a :

Korg - nanoKONTROL - (I would get the oldskool one for it's multiple scenes) www.amazon.com

...or something as expensive as:

Akai - APC40 - www.amazon.com

Best controller ever built that's no lie. Get it you,ll have lots of fun working on that machine.

My humble opinionRUN!!!!! Do not walk to the store RUN!!!!!!
This baby is a freaking beast and about the weight???? Like I like my women, sexy and thick!!!! I have been in love with this baby before I got it out the box. I had a short notice gig two days before I purchased. I literally opened the box at the venue, down loaded the software from the Serato site, booted up the program and twisted three knobs and it rocked!!!


This thing is awesome. Crazy, Sexy, Cool! I was spinning House and Lounge at a after party for celeb event in DC, set it and my MacBook Pro on a double tier keyboard stand and it looked slick and sexy. Later in the night the headliner DJ came over and drooled. It was priceless. This baby is awesome! Buy 2!!!

@BlackAvenger

I do not own one but after playing on one the instant start of the platters is something Serato have confirmed they are going to add it at some point so the platters will wind up like a turntable but with no audiable lag. With the NS7 and V7 this was possible and it will eventually come to the NS7II as well.

Also, the two jog wheels are motor driven so suffer from the same "wow and flutter" as traditional turntables. This is no issue really unless you sync using simple sync that doesn't snap to the grids and just snaps the BPMs together. I hear smart sync doesn't suffer from this as the beat grids snap and follow each other. Can anyone confirm?
The decks will naturally move ever so slightly out of sync over long periods of time, just like a traditional turntables. There isn't anything wrong with them, it's just the nature of the beast and gives you that skill of tweaking the platters just as you would have "back in the day". Trust me, it's nothing and makes you feel like you're playing on good ol' vinyl again. Winner!

Because you don't use sync, it won't affect you and even if you did, just use sync with the platters turned off.

I fell in love with it and wanted one but as I DJ mostly by catching planes, I thought I'd give it a miss. Shame. I'd use it to play dance music as I don't scratch.

Originally I decided on getting the DDJ-SZ, but now I've made up my mind to get the NS7II instead. Thanks for all the posts about the NS7II.

You sure about that? I've had the NS7 II since it was released and since the DDJ-SZ was announced at Namm I'm making the switch! Only thing I'm going to miss about the NS7 II is the moving platters, but hey the DDJ-SZ will let me use my turntables without a Serato box! Just my two pennies.

Well I know the SZ has extra features. But I like the moving platters on NS7II. I'm getting rid of my TTs so I don't need a Serato box. The NS7II is still a good controller. It may not be as feature rich as the SZ but it's still awesome.

I've had the NS7II pretty much since the first month it came out, and I like it a lot, but it just has too many issues for it to be production ready. Mainly, the issues with it dropping connection and requiring a reboot. If these issues are not resolved by the time SZ comes out, I'm selling mine at a deep discount and buying the SZ. NS7II has been out for almost 6 months now and Numark hasn't released a single Driver/Firmware update. Do they think their product is perfect (because it's not), or do they not care about their flagship product?

+1

So NS7II is that bad?

No, it's not that bad at all. In fact, it's excellent when it works (other than the Filter knobs). I just wish Numark/Serato would pay a bit more attention to the issues people are having with this controller. There are several, particularly, the one with it dropping connection. Many many many people are having that issue, which is a complete show stopper, but Numark is ignoring it.

Well that seems bad enough for me. So here I go back to the DDJ-SZ.

I am just thankful the announcement for the SZ came out when it did. I was literally almost convinced on getting an NS7II and would just have another controller sitting around collecting dust when I get the SZ in.

Yes lucky for me too that I haven't bought the NS7II since it's already March and the SZ will start appearing here in Australia. Now just the agony of waiting for the SZ to be shipped once I place an order this coming Monday.

Same boat here. I payed for my SZ in full so long ago and now that it's getting close I am getting more & more antsy.

1.6.1 is just released... no fix for this.. really??? such a simple thing to make so many users happy..

First thing I tried too, no fix yet, but they are working on it. NOT!

Sounds like an impulse decision you will likely regret In a short time.....

have you considered encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Man you are on roll with these pics. Very timely and appropriate I might add. ;-)

I see you also understand the importance of patience in these types of situations ;)

That's why I haven't made a purchase yet. Waiting for the dust to settle.

Yep, that's my game plan also. And if it all goes to shit I don't have to threaten to switch to trackor.....lol

DAMN IT!!!!! All I was hoping for was that they would fix the issue with the controller loosing connection. I played around with it for about a half an hour and right when I was about to come write an excellent review for them adding some very much anticipated features, the sun of a bitch lost connection. All you can do when this happens is to reboot. Is even one person using this controller for an extended period without any issues? Particularity if you mix music videos?? I have no idea what to do anymore. I really really really want to love this controller because it's so much fun when it works, but just the thought of knowing that it can crash any second, drains me and I don't even wanna touch it. Maybe I should just drop it on eBay and be done it!

Jumper4000

My question is why haven't you returned it yet ?

Because I'm well outside of the return period. I bought it back in November and at that time I anticipated some issues, but it's been 6 months and the big issues are all still there. I truly want to like it because there's still nothing like it, but I tell you, it gets so enormously frustrating when Serato keeps releasing updates and nothing gets fixed. Numark is just utterly useless. It's been 6 months and they're completely ignoring their flagship product. I'm afraid when DDJ-SZ comes out, it will completely kill this controller and Numark will ignore it even further. Hopefully, SZ will have its own set of massive problems, so this controller survives a little longer :)

Seems the sz only has 1 major problem with platter sensitivity. Should be an easy fix im guessing.

Your assumption of being an impulse decision is incorrect. I do my research first and then decide what to get. I wanted the NS7II but since a few owners here reckons that they had issues with it. I went for the SZ. And since the SZ is new I just relied on Pioneer's history of CDJs and the DDJ-SR I bought a few months back.

I was thinking since Pioneer generally made good DJ gear, buying the SZ shouldn't be a hassle. I came from using Technics and my first controller is the DDJ-SR. Never had an issue with it and works quite well. So going for the SZ was a good decision to make at the time. Didn't really expect that Pioneer would be so slack with releasing a product that has platter issues.

For NS7II, I didn't want to take the chance in buying one and 6 months down the track I end up with major issues. If that happens I won't be able to return it or get a refund. I have since return the SZ and got a refund. I did order another one and see how that goes. If it has issues I will get a refund and see what options I have besides the SZ.

The NS7ii really doesn't have "all" these issues... Not sure why some ppl overblow certain things.

Jumper4000 sorry about your connectivity issues, I have not seen that happen on mine or others. I see you use video thou, I dont. Again my unit has been rock solid. could you elaborate?

And this Play button thing is laughable to me. yes the play button has a delay when you press it, in my opinion, just like with turntables, the play button should not be used as cue point button, you have 8 shiny mpc pads for that... simply act like you have tables and hold the vinyl plate! I think this is an issue for ppl who are used to CDJs and instant cue point with the play button.

theres no perfect controller... just what best fits you needs.

Where part of me agrees with your thinking on this, another part does not. Think of it from the point of view of those who owned the NS7mk1. With ITCH, the NS7mk1 does have "instant" start. So those who had one see the mk2 as a step backward. But you are right, if you were to simply treat it as though it were a standard Turntable, the way it functions now shouldn't bother you. But, then again, it's not a standard turntable....it's a controller.

+1
Fair point. Didn't realize you could do that on the 1st NS7. (I had that too). Guess it comes do to what habits/workflow routines you've developed. I just think it's funny that most get the ns7 cause it's "close" to turn tables. But some act like this functionality is a deal breaker. But to be real, if you owned the ns7 mk1 and were used to that workflow I could see your beef. Deal breaker...ehh. No perfect controller out, just what fits your needs

Robbie, take a look at this post - serato.com. Since that posting, I've come across at least another 7 or 8 posts describing the very same exact issue. I'm not the only one. Many many many others are experiencing it as well. You might be one of the lucky ones, but for many of us that are experiencing this issue, this controller is a completely useless piece of crap.

Thanks Jumper4000. That's why I didn't want to gamble and get one because after a few months I might have an issue with it.

Dam another Numark hater from the past. There's nothing crappy about the NS7II. 7 or 8 post from literally thousands of these units sold. If it had serious problems there would be far more post then whats out there. The problem is several DJs have a problem with a controller and it becomes "Many many many" when realistically that's not the case. Realistically the NS7II is a badass piece of kit. I've owned it and the original NS7 and still have V7s. You have more owners singing their praise then blasting them. And I'm talking about the hardware, not Serato's software. DJs seem to get the two mixed up when there's a problem.

Ragman, that's 7 or 8 in addition to the 12 that are on that post. Also, I didn't search the entire internet. There could be many many more. Almost every single post I see relating to major issues with this controller seems to be related to it either freezing or losing connection (same thing). I'm not a hater from the past. I still like my Numark (barely), but I'm starting to become a hater from present.

juste download serato remote for ipad or Iphone and you got your sp6 right there! works like a charm

See the issue with product complaints is that most of the time it represents a smaller group of people. People dont make video or come to forums saying "my unit is the best". I guess if something meets our expectations from a consumer perspective we don't feel the need to go public an proclaim our love for it, maybe if it exceeds our expectations...maybe.

Now from a manufacturing perspective there will always be defects. I think the key in evaluating is checking to see if current issues are wide spreading (same issue over and over again like the SZ platter thing) or one-offs.

My goal in responding to these threads in balancing out the feedback. It can come across like all units are bad, which is not the case.

This same logic directly applies to the SZ. If their platters are working fine they would never even think to seek help or other users feedback. Not to mention there are plenty of people here NOT suffering from the issues reported.

To all pioneer fan boys NUMARK IS BEST not because i have no problem but because its fact.

Spoken like a true Numark Fan Boy... I own a ns7 it's mothballed but can be brought out but i would never say their the best... I also own a DDJ SX and a few rane mixers...

Believe me I don't talk Lot about my set ups buddy but I have couple of high end pieces myself trust me numark is definitely one of the best don't need to Bragg about toys I,m grown.

Just to be clear, do you mean JUST the few numark products you own or numark products as a whole ?

I love my NS7II despite the little thingies as instant start that will eventually be resolved for sure. It works rock solid and using it is an experience on its own. Using my smaller VCI-400 now just feels a bit awkward.

As to some people being disappointed, the device is marketed as the perfect hybrid controller so most new users expected the device to have the capability to give a true controller experience (instant play, perfect sync), the turntable experience (turntable start/stop, manual) or best of both worlds. So its not that weird to see people confused when the play/pause button acts as a start/stop button.

The only thing which did truly has me worried is Numark support or the lack of it, clearly aimed at their bulk low end users. When buying a device like this you would expect premium support for sure.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Numark is fair in a sense they dont treat low end users any differently than hi end users.

They all get equally shitty support....lol

lol :P

LMAO

Numark is doing great on the controller end but they aren't even in the race on the "pro" end. I quoted pro because I am not the one who made this classification. It is just what it is. I am not saying controllers WON'T be included on a nightclub (high end obvi), festival, or concert level BUT I am saying they are definitely NOT as of yet.

As always I will be the first to admit they are built like tanks but I am wondering if it is a case of bringing a tank to a race. Whatever works for each given user is ALWAYS the best solution but I definitely DO NOT think "Numark is best" is a correct statement or fair statement. It is just to general & based solely on one user's opinion. Absolutely entitled to that opinion but so is everyone else.

My thing here is not to brag the point I,m trying make is that if you have great results from a product then it works for you so it's best for you @ pdidy I was probably one of the first couple of people in my area to own the rane 62 sold it bought the 62 z sold it 2 months ago I live in Westchester county ny I was the first customer to purchase the ddj sx in my town I was told by the rep at gc had it day one had the vci 380 from day one as soon as it came to pro audio star I drove down to Brooklyn picked it up personally myself I,ve been in this game long enough no need to brag on what I have I,m and equipment junky Jamaican oh by the way I have the yorkies too and a couple of jbl prx 712,s as a matter of fact I have 4 k 12's on Craigslist for sale with bags on the web but like I said no need to brag I,m not on here to show off just voicing my opinion.

But you never answered the question.....lol

Holy run-on sentence!!

Yae ok.

Direct shortcut keys, or allow us to map keyboard shortcuts for controls that are not mapped by default.

This is fixed now with 1.6.1. It was one of the best things they fixed. Now if you open the video panel, you can hit the View button and it cycles through the remaining panels without closing video. It is a very welcomed feature.

Hey All!!!!

I have recently moved to the NS7ii and do enjoy it.
The build quality is solid.
I have noticed the NS7 case by Numark (the one with wheels on it, non-glide top) doesn't accomodate the weight of the controller inside the case (the form starts to deform after leaving the standing up on its side. I understand the controller is heavier and foam is foam with glue and all (just have to find a creative way for storage if you're limited on space)

In a mobile enviroment....
Since the controller is operating off of the vinyl consept, the instant start is not that of the CDJ concept. As a vinyl turnable you will experience the ramp up motor engagement (similar to the Brake when starting or slowing down) This is normal. Say you're a wedding DJ or the like, just disengage the motor for Quick Start or instant start. Yes could be a pain but that's how this controller functions.

In a Club-style environment..
It a great controller with motors on, definite vinyl feel and pull of the motor when scratching or pumping the record feel. Loop roll filter is pretty solid, just take getting used to on how all the Pads function since there are multiple layers.

I have a 2009 15" Macbook Pro with NVidia 1MB and 8GB Ram and library of 4TB with 350 GB on laptop. I'm Running SDJ 1.6 with MixEmergency 2.4 (to date I have no issues with both running) I also have SDJ Video and works great especially with Media Crate option.

MixEmergency seems to be solid for its design but has limited Media Crate functionality. If you want Quartz Comp you have to find the plugins or file and/or teach yourself how to create a Quartz Comp file.

Serato DJ Video works great especially with 1.6.1 and its new functionality similar to ME. From experience Serato Video my freak out when using symbols withTEXT on screen similar to "Requests @djmixx649." The "@" symbol maybe have something to do with a programming code and the program may think it has to read a code rather then put on screen. I could be wrong about the symbols and code concept but I do know it doesn't work for me. Any other Video DJs have this issue?

I have read and heard from other DJs about the NS7ii freezing after 1-3 hours of use. Honestly to date I haven't had any issues with freeze or hesitations. Before connecting the controller ensure that you down the Firmware from Numark and then start using the Quick Guide to install controller for use.

One issue I have came across a few times is.....
Deck 1 is playing (video or audio doesn't matter)
Deck 2 mix in (video or audio)
Activate Loop Roll Filler
Turn HPL/LPL know on deck 2
Mix into Deck 2
Stop Deck 1
Activate Touch Sensitive Knobs
Tab Treble, Mid, Hi on Deck 2
Disengage Touch knobs
Deck 2 seems to go into Thru Mode on its one
*I have checked the controller toggle switches (shows PC Mode)
seems as though the combination of buttons sets the controller to Deck 2 THRU mode.
*The work around is to go back to Deck 1, eject track from Deck 2, flip the toggle switch through all modes and then back to PC. This will allow controller of Deck 2 PC mode again.

The fact that instant start is not instant is NOT normal. It is supposed to be instant. It is instant on the original NS7 running Itch. On the original NS7, instant start wasn't instant when it was first released, but they eventually fixed it. If I run SDJ on my NS7, it is not instant start, but if I run Itch, it is instant start. That tells me it's a software bug with SDJ, and Serato said that they will eventually fix it.

Thanks PAN, I actually didn't know that.

Wow, you should definitely start a help thread for that.

Only happen 3 times, I'm going to mess with it more this in the next week and hopefully get it to act up but all in all somewhat solid. <crossing fingers>

The original NS7 initially didn't have Instant Start either. It was added later.

I that's the missing link for why I don't understand the anger about the lack of instant start. It's an expected feature for those aware of the update or got the ns7 after the update.

And they have already stated its coming. There is no need for you all to keep bringing it up.

Suck it up for now and move on.

Hopefully this week I can share my thoughts on the NS7II. I should've one by Wednesday. This will be my first ever Numark controller.

^Can't wait to get your thoughts.

Thanks

AHHMMMM!!!!
Just got my NS7II today and currently hooked up.

Man oh man!!!!!!!
I haven't stopped saying WOW!!!! even when I only opened the box. They packed this beast very well. And F@&K#NG WOW!!! The build quality compared to the SZ is just heaps better. I have had 2 SZs and the 3rd one I tried in the store before ordering this beast. And I have to say the knobs have a better feel than the SZ. I have to say the channel faders on the SZ has a slightly better feel.

But the crossfader on the NS7II IMO is better than the SZ. To be fair I haven't adjusted the crossfader on the SZs I had. And I haven't adjusted the one on the NS7II as well. Straight out of the box I prefer the NS7II's crossfader. But it doesn't really matter as I will put a innofader in it later on.

But WOW!!! Assembling the platter just made me smile. If you grew up on turntables and started DJing on turntables you'd know what I mean when I said assembling the platter just made me smile from ear to ear.

The construction of the NS7II is just a pure delight to me. This is just like they say "built like a tank!". Oh and the platter.... F@&K#NG WOW!!!. This is so close to having turntables it's not funny! Not gonna talk about other brands now. I will reserve that on the SZ thread I was hanging out on.

What else can I say about this magnificent beast?! I feel like I've just been slapped by a whale fin because I'm just amazed by the quality Numark have put in this thing. I know some might say I'm babbling on like a little girl in a candy shop. But this is my first Numark controller and I ask myself what the F@&K was I doing? Why didn't I get this beast a long time ago?

This is like comparing an iPhone to a Samsung smartphone. It really is just made of quality goodness. Okay one thing that I don't about the NS7II is it doesn't have a pair of 1/4" output jacks at the back. It really is not a big deal and when I look at this sexy beast I completely forget what I don't like about it.

But you know what guys....... F@&K#NG WOW!!!!!! I just fell in love all over again. Sorry to hear about issues people are having. But for me, right at this moment all I can say is F@&K#NG WOW!!!!

I also like the button placements (just my personal preference). Some will not be happy about the button setup, but not this turkey!! WOW!! she is gorgeous!!!!

Well enough of the psychotic babbling I have to get back on her and play some more. Thanks Ragman!!! She is an outstanding piece of gear. Everyone is welcome to disagree. this is an open forum and I'm not trying to sell or persuade anyone from getting the NS7II.

I grew up with turntables and learned DJing using turntables and I love my hip hop. And the NS7II for me is just WOW!!!! It's been awhile since I really enjoyed myself using a controller and the NS7II gave me that awesome, fantastic WOW!! feeling all over again.

I can't wait to see what Numark brings out next!

Ooops correction. I know you can't adjust the tension on the NS7II's crossfader. I still love it though!

@ shadow23 welcome home the ns7 mkii is very underated. because of numarks history, i dont knock anyone,s oppinion but i,ve bought alot of controllers and i got to tell you this is probably one of the best controller i played on.just adjust your settings properly in SDJ and and you will have a very nice experience enjoy.

+1. I'm thinking the price tag & the pushed back start date scared some ppl off. Very good controller with the only knock of weight.

Thank you! Definitely the only regret I have is I didn't buy the NS7II right away. Happy days!!!

@shadow23, that's exactly how I felt when I got it at first, but after the 50th time when it lost connection and I had to reboot the computer in the middle of a set, I'm completely turned off by it for now. Just don't play videos and I think you should be fine. Although, I think after replacing the USB cable with a top of the line cable, and installing Windows 8 drivers, and increasing the latency, it has gotten a little bit better. I'm glad u like it better than the SZ though. My friend keeps on bragging about his SZ, and I think I will tell him about your post. What else makes the NS7II better than SZ? I need all the ammunition I can use, lol.

Thanks Jumper4000. The most important thing that the NS7II has over the SZ is the build quality and those fantastic motorized platters. It's just made of steel all over. Plus the knobs on the SZ feels cheap compared to the NS7II. I have owned two SZs and the knobs are just off poor quality. Yeah the SZ has features coming out left, right and center.

But after having the SZ and owning the NS7II. I ask myself do I really need DVS? Do I really need dual USB. I surely don't need the oscillator. My answer to those questions are "no". The NS7II is a very solid well built controller.

If a DJ comes from a vinyl/turntable background then the NS7II is the only way to go. I have had CDJs before and used a couple of controllers with jog wheels. And I cannot stress this enough that the NS7II is the closest thing you will ever get to using real turntables. Any controller with jog wheels can't and won't even get close to the NS7II when it comes to an awesome experience.

I'm not putting down the SZ. The SZ is a great controller in it's own right. And it's not a bad purchase whoever buys one. But for DJs who crave to have the closest experience you'll get to using real turntables.... the NS7II is the KING!

You can have jog wheels with digital displays and all that jazz but it will never be the same as the real motorized platters you get with the NS7II.

If your friend brags on about the SZ, I don't have a problem with that. A lot of new DJs now haven't had a chance to learn DJing using turntables or grew up around turntables. So they wouldn't know anything different or special about the NS7II.

Like I said I like the size and weight of the NS7II. I'd gladly buy another NS7II in a drop of a hat any day. The jog wheel for me just doesn't cut it. The motorized platters coupled with real vinyl on top just leaves any jog wheel technology dead in the water.

But if a DJ prefers the jog wheel with digital display is not a negative thing. Whatever floats their boat is fine with me. I just personally love the motorized platters on the NS7II. It really just makes me feel at home again! And I couldn't be happier owning a NS7II.

I'm not after a controller that has plenty of BLING. I want something that will give me the best experience and the NS7II just does that for me hands down. A controller with plenty of features is nice to have but what good is it to me if I can't enjoy it as much as I enjoy using my NS7II?

Again this my own personal opinion. People may not agree or try and point out that other controllers have more features and sells like hotcakes. Well good luck to them. I just love my NS7II and no amount of hotcakes would change my opinion about the NS7II.

It just fits my needs PERFECTLY!

I had heard that the knob posts on the NS7II are made of plastic is this NOT true?

They are but the feel when you turn/use them are far different than the SZ. Plus the 2 SZ I had had wobbly/loose knobs especially the beats knobs on the FX part and the MIC knobs.

As a current owner of them both...I bought the NS72 about 3 weeks ago because I've always been a vinyl guy (minus the crates), and owned the OG NS7 back in '09 and quite frankly it was a beast until the DDJ SX dropped.

Just to name a few I've owned many a pair of 1200's several times over, except for my MK5G's that are still in commission, Stanton TT's, Numark TTXUSB, Denon 3700's, 3900's and on and on. Now the NS7 line is the ONLY controller that will get you close to a pair of "Wheels of Steel" feeling. Like it or not that's the way the future is heading, a digital all in one unit. If you want to retain that 1200 nostalgia with a tablespoon of digital, the NS7 line is the way to go. The NS72 is a BEAST and I'm honored to own it.......now if I had to choose between the SZ and the NS72....hmmm I'd rather not say at this moment.

However if you've seen my other posts in Numark and Pioneer forums here on Serato, it's no secret. At the moment I don't have to choose and I love them both for their individual strengths.

Peace!!

Like I said it's just my personal opinion. People may agree or disagree. But I know I would choose the NS7II any day of the week. I'm love my turntables and the NS7II is the closest of any controllers (besides other units with motorized platters).

People are always welcome to express their opinion and I have nothing against that at all. My personal choice will always be the NS7II.

Don't take it personal...I was merely stating my opinion as you have multiple times when you owned the SZ and after your unfortunate mishaps with your SZ. If I didn't have faith in the NS72 I wouldn't have dropped $1600 on it...or better yet I would have taken it back and put that money towards the SZ. However I own them both and love what they both have to offer.

This isn't a Mac vs PC debate...everyone has their preferences and I respect that, as a matter of fact I didn't direct my statement towards you.....look at the quote.

Peace!!

I realize that. And I respect your opinion and was not offended by it.

Cool!! All good. 😃

Shadow have you seen this ???

www.digitaldjtips.com

I'm salivating right about now if Numark can pull this off.

The only good thing that could come out of this for me is when an alternate manufacturer comes out with its competitor but uses OSX instead. Don't get me wrong I love my Windows based PC laptops and I use them for just about everything I do in my life BUT when it comes to my business & music it is not the platform I trust. I might have even been able to get past the Numark part.

Definitely cool though!!

That's what I thought. I don't know of an SZ that doesn't have loose feeling knobs in regards to the ones you mentioned. I just don't know if that was intentional or not. Being they are metal while Numark is plastic it can't be blamed on materials. I am curious what time will tell us in terms of durability. Gotta be careful when it comes to how things "feel" though. If I put a Rane mixer in front of you you may salivate over how the faders & the cue buttons feel/react. Your salivating may end prematurely when you realize how often the faders fail don't feel like that for as long as you would hope as well as the cue buttons failing arguably more than any other buttons in the industry. The only evidence I have proving this is the amount of posts/help requests there have been about them as well as what I have seen out in the field. If the knobs on the SZ are in any way a reflection of what Pioneer typically uses I am sure there is nothing to worry about. If only no worries could be applied to the platters.

Yeah Ragman, I saw that earlier. They should just make one lol.

Dave this is a lite open-source embedded version of Windows. So I don't think you'll see the same problems as you do with the full blown OS trying to cater to every hardware manufacturer under the sun. This will be tightly tuned and customized to the hardware. Similar to OSX and Macs. But with Serato integrated into it. I think it has some potential. Microsoft is giving away the code for free so true Open-source.

It might not seem so big to non-techie types but this could be huge for the growth of the DJ controller market.

Possibly. Do you know of any other devices currently running "Windows Embedded"? If so how is the relationship between hardware/software. As far as the growth again possibly. If anything this could open doors but I fear the price this puppy would draw would be that line that many are not willing to cross. Who knows though. Either way it is an absolute exciting concept.

Apparently there are already some medical devices and kiosk type devices running Windows Embedded. As far as the cost, they would definitely have to keep it below the cost of an NS7II and good quality laptop.

Agreed. It is a tough one for sure. The vast majority of the people in the controller market are looking for as cheap as possible with most capabilities possible type of rigs.

I had a RANE mixer before and i know they are good even better than the Pioneer crossfader on the SZ. Only time will tell if any part of the NS7II starts failing. But the SZ falls short on the build quality compared to the NS7II. Like I said I'll be replacing the crossfader with an innofader so I'm not worried about that. You have every right to voice your opinion on how you see the SZ quality. I'm not here to change your mind or force my opinion onto you. From what I can see you are a decent guy. I'm just saying of what I've seen with the SZs I have come across and so far not impressed with the build quality.

Anyone can say what they like about the NS7II it will never change the way I feel about his beast. I just think it's awesome and it fits me very well.

I wasn't talking about the crossfader. I was talking about the faders. (line) Also I in no way am saying anything negative about the NS7II so don't get the wrong impression. I absolutely feel it has the potential to change my mind about a company that has lost its way in recent years. After hearing so many good things about it how could it not? (although if I were to ask around the NS6 is often spoken highly about. I guess it is just a touchy subject and may come across as defensive. I just do know in my years of MANY a DJ gear. I have yet to have anything deteriorate or break due to use or wear & tear with Pioneer. Can't say that for Numark, Denon, or even Rane (who I happen to love). There is a lot more that goes into this than what we can see. Pioneer is an electronics giant with decades and thousands of products both consumer & commercial under their belt so even if it were the other way around (Pioneer was the one's using the plastic knob posts) I may go as far as to think this was a decision that was thought through. Again only time will tell but I am sure neither will have issues in this department. Again this is not to tear down the NS7II but ore to shine some light on the fact that it's all a matter of perspective and I have no real issues with my SZ. The issues they are facing right now could have happened to anyone and will NOT be the last time this happens. Pioneer when designing this hd opted to use parts that were designed to function a certain way. When this part does not function this intended way things will go wrong no doubt. I would assume the large amount of issues is due to the fact of Pioneer being a professional at making money and being able to produce numbers that are far greater than others in a given period of time. This usually helps them but in this case it hurt them............................ BIG TIME!!

Anyways I plan to purchase my NS7II this weekend so I too will have more feedback with some side by side comparisons (for anyone who wants one).

The NS7II doesn't have plastic posts, they're metal just like the SZ. I think Shadow23 was confused when he said as much...I think he was referring to the knobs, not the posts.

I have an NS6, and even w' it's plastic pots, I still think it has better build quality than the DDJ-SX that replaced it. If Numark brings out a clone of the SX or SZ, I am all over that!! The SX "feels" like a toy, even more so than the NS6 does. I would imagine you could draw the same conclusion when comparing the SZ to the NS7II. There is no reason (other than what I assume is greed) why Pioneer couldn't have given the SX & SZ the same level of quality construction that Numark gave to it's top tier controllers.

Yes all I meant to say is the knobs feels more solid. Sorry about the confusion.

Possibly. The metal construction again like I aid is irrelevant anyways. I have yet to have any Pioneer gear break on me (w the exception of the stupid NON P-Lok faders flying off stage on my SX) but have had no such luck with Numark, Denon OR Rane. I would assume a Chevy truck is built better and stronger than say a BMW BUT the BMW wil give you the better ride, Better gas mileage, faster speeds, better braking etc. Blame it on weight, blame it on power blame it on whatever you want.................. all the same factors apply with DJ gear and it's all about preference. I use my gear for performing only so I have had no issues with any of my current gear (which is mostly Pioneer). I have yet to even have a scratch on my 2000's, SX, SRT, Rane 64, SZ, SP1 etc. so no worries there. In terms of capabilities & performance I have no doubt gone the proper course. I will ALWAYS agree that Numark made a solid controller with the NS7II.................... built like a tank. But to me DJng is more comparable to a race than a war so a Tank I certainly do not need. The NS7II is built better than the SZ & the SX & the 2000Nexus & the SRT (maybe not the SRT but you get the point) no doubt BUT they are all built plenty strong for me.

The NS6 MAY be built better than the SX BUT the SX kills it in features & performance.

The NS7II IS built better than the SZ BUT when stacked side by side the capabilities are greater for the SZ. Furthermore the capabilities gained are crucial ones IMO.

It's all good. I am in no way here to say you guys made a bad choice with the NS7II. On the contrary I will be purchasing one myself (probably later tonight) and I fully believe it may change my perspective on Numark. BUT the NS6 being my last experience with Numark I still have a bad taste in my mouth. All that being said I already know there is no hope of it topping the SZ for me. I know Shadow had issues with his SZ's BUT if he had the pleasure of having a working unit OR having the patience to see to it he did in fact get one he may have felt the same. Build aside (as the is pretty much the go to argument) there is almost nothing left I can think of in Numark's favor. You guys have one.................... convince me. Build aside (also spinning platters aside as I am certainly over that after my experiences with Denon) what does it for you with the NS7II. Please ONLY the NS7II as if the Ns6 is brought up in a positive way a sense of discredit comes to my mind as I already went that route and could not have gotten out soon enough.



So NS7II FIRE AWAY!! If anyone has/had a working SZ that could compare the two that would be extremely helpful. Obviously I am in no way looking to replace my SZ or SX OR main rigs for that matter BUT I am always looking for a new experience as long as it is a good one!!

Since I have had the SZ and now owning the NS7II. I can give you my personal comparison. In the feature department NS7II is behind. Setting up loops is quicker on the SZ. The button lay out will be easier since you have had other Pioneer controllers before. And in the looks department Pioneer is clearly gorgeous.

Honestly you may not be impressed if you do buy the NS7II in regards to work flow. I'm not gonna mention any problems I had with the SZ and I'm just trying to give you an unbiased opinion on this 2 awesome controllers. The channel faders feels better on the SZ like I said before in my other post.

I will not even mention the platters on both controllers because it comes down to personal preference. Since you have had experience with Denon before I'd say you'd know what to expect with the platters on the NS7II.

Sound quality of this 2 controllers IMO are close. So again it will have to come down to what you prefer to work with as sound quality are close anyway, To sum it up if you want a controller with lots of options, then the Pioneer SZ will be the best buy. Also since you had experience with Pioneer controller's durability you'd be inclined to go for Pioneer controllers.

This is my first Numark gear so durability on the NS7II I can't really comment. What impressed me the most is the build quality. I know it's not about a WAR when it comes to DJing. But because I always been into turntables the experience on the NS7II just reminds me of my Techs. Everyone knows the Techs are built like a tank and they did last for years. The techs never had a mile long list of features but it just works and if it was a war between features the Techs will lose to Pioneer controllers. But of course they are 2 different kinds of gear but they are still a DJ's tools of the trade.

Like I said before if a DJ wants the closest experience they can get using turntables then you cannot look pass the NS7II. It still can do most of what the SZ can do. Yes it doesn't have dual USB, DVS support or having the oscillator. I'm no way saying that the SZ is not good at all. It just comes down to personal preference.

For me I'd buy another NS7II any day, because it just gives me that special experience I can never get from the SZ (even if I had an SZ with no issues). Any DJ who grew up with turntables will know what I'm talking about. Even if I were a full time DJ I would always prefer the NS7II.

That is my personal opinion and I'm in no way suggesting the SZ is bad. I just prefer my NS7II as do others prefer the SZ.

The "working" part was key there. I mean no offense but you would not be human to not let any biases get in the way of a true comparison. With the any DJ who grew up on TT part you have a point BUT that is the part in me that makes me keep my TT's & Urei 1620/SL4 setup. If ever I get the urge for that traditional feeling or nostalgia I fire that up. Bottom line when i want to do something I do it fully and not the closest thing. I just don't have the urge for that nostalgic feeling often is all. Mostly it's about firepower Vs. Mobility for me when considering my controllers.

The comparison of Techs's to CDJ's was spot on and TBH this is pretty much how I feel when comparing the NS7II Vs. the SZ. Of course this is on paper and I am only hrs away from finding out for myself (as soon as the girl gets home LOL) so we shall see. I already know (as it is the feature list that gets me going) the SZ has the features but I am hoping the fun factor will be there for the NS7II over anything else. As a matter of fact that is all I am expecting from it theyspinnin.ytmnd.com and the rest will just be details.

You can't base that "I will use the real thing rather than a closest thing" because every situation is different. I had Techs and decided to get rid of them because simply put I don't have a big room to have 2 huge setups in my house. I only have one room for my DJ gear. So it was useless keeping my Techs.

My situation is I needed something that will do everything in one unit. That's why I tried and bought the SR just to have a feel of what controllers are about. But after buying the NS7II I finally found my soul mate.

This is how I feel about my Numark V7s. I've had them for 4 years now and nothing is broken, had to be replaced or worn out. I've changed mixers over the years the V7s are Prudential (like a rock).

Thank you Ragman!

Hahaha, for the kats constantly going on about trade-in programs.....

www.numark.com

Don't get me wrong. Great idea BUT the problem is they typically sell for more than that on Ebay & locally. www.ebay.com

Not trying to burst your bubble though. I think it's a great idea.

Ain't bursting my bubble.......I always clown on kats for thinking they need a trade-in path. Fleabay/Craiglist is the best trade-in path out there, imo.

couldn't agree more. You get out what you put in. I could take my Urei 1620 to guitar center and I am guessing they would be willing to pay $600 meanwhile it is immaculate and sells for upwards or $2000 on ebay every day. Put the effort in. Give it a little time and you will minimize your losses every time................

^Definitely agree... but at least Numark offers something for trade-in (I can't think of another top-level DJ company that does). And if your NS7 isn't in the best of conditions, it's probably the best route to upgrade. But yes you definitely get good money on eBay if you take care of your gear and know how to present it.

Last night, I went to a party and played around with a DDJ-SZ for a couple hours and I must say, I wasn't too impressed. NS7II is certainly much better. My biggest problem with it was that almost none of the buttons have lit labels and you have absolutely no clue what each one is in the dark, unless you memorize all of them. It has a ton of flashy LEDs, but they're all useless. It's like a flashy toy. Not even the strip bar is lit. Also, every time you want to use the strip bar, you have to pause the music. My friend said, that's how he programmed it, but I thought it was dumb. Also, I wasn't too excited about having to move from one side of the dock to the other just to load songs. Mind you, the Load button is completely dark, so I couldn't even find it. The only things I liked about it were the knobs. They felt great compared to the Numark knobs. I liked its size too. NS7II looks kinda small next to it. Overall, there's no way I would trade my NS7II for it.

+1000

After owning the NS7II I just can't see myself getting the SZ. But to each their own I guess.

Good to know

I've been back & forth for months on getting one. I'm the traditional tech and mixer user.

It was either this unit, an SZ, a pair of 3900's with either an SRT or 64...now that Denon is gone the 3900's are no longer a viable candidate and the SZ no longer interest me since it lacks post fader Serato effects and doesn't have physical effects sends/returns...so what it's down too is either the ns7ii plus innofader or a pair Odyssey Krom's for the 12's and upgrading to a 4 channel (SRT/64)....My main purpose of use is mobile.

I'm a turntablist/hip-hop dj who no longer thinks two channels doesn't cut it anymore. Most of the gig's won't require this kind of style but it's nice to have something that would allow me to if given the leeway...I do understand that some scratches can't be done on a 45 sized platter and am willing to accept that.

Now...is ns7ii with an innofader for me? I've read the majority of this discussion and would like to hear your opinions on how you would approach the situation I present...I'm not worried about replacing carts..as I've rarely replaced the stylus's on my 44-7's. I also have no qualms against lugging around a modular setup. Reason why I'm interested in the Krom's as they weigh about half of standard flights.

Forgot to mention I scratch standard with one had and hamster with the other so scratching on the channel fader's isn't a must but having the option to do isn't a bad either.

I don't think that inMusic Brands' acquisition Denon Professional, Denon DJ, and Marantz Professional necessarily means that Denon is going to be absorbed into Numark, Akai, etc.. That is, unless you know something I don't.

Adding my 2 cents as I'm also a Hip Hop DJ with moderate scratching in my routine, in addition to currently owning the SZ and NS7//. If scratching is a priority and your routine relies heavily on turntabilism, you can't go wrong with the NS7//. It's the closest thing you are going to get to 1's and 2's without actually going back to them. I own a pair of 3700's which is the 3900's predecessors, and if you don't mind purchasing additional equipment to accomplish what you can on a AIO, by all means you can't beat them with a bonus of 3 more inches of vinyl for those precise manipulations.

The SZ is a top contender and you can accomplish some nasty transitions on it and with all the features loaded on it, the sky is the limit as far as upping your routine. On a side not...you can accomplish post fader effects on the SZ via the channel faders. Your time has to be precise but when you get it down it sounds awesome using a echo roll effect coupled with a backspin when transitioning out. After you have activated the effect you will gradually close out the channel fader while the cross fader is in mid position, after the effect plays out close out that deck by cross fading to your incoming song. It sounds sweet!!! Forgive me if you already knew this. However the send/return is a bummer and would have gladly traded the extra sound card for them to use my EFX1000.

No insider knowledge. Just using common logic and the understanding that the volume of Pro market sales aren't as high or as frequent as consumer market sales...Personally I would choose Denon over Numark...but with Denon throwing in the towel. That choice seems to be the unpopular one.


Yes I'm aware of the post fader workaround on the SZ. I definitely recognize the flexibility the SZ is capable of. I'm just not feelin' how far apart the turntables would be if I were going to bring the techs along...I am starting to get the hang of scratching on a static platter but some scratches just can't be done and I feel like a little part of me dies inside every time I try to get better at static platters.

How do you like the crossfader on the SZ? Does it feel like it's meant to last?...I ask because of my interest in the SRT.

As for the 3900's...I was definitely heading that route until all the doom and gloom about Denon started surfacing. I didn't like the idea of investing in something that would have no manufacture or Serato support in the near future...so I put those plans on hold to see if all this Denon talk was for real. Turns out it was and even down to how Numark would somehow be involved.

The crossfader feels fine and it feels as though it will last. My only issue with the crossfader is that even after going into utilities and adjusting the lag to 0ms, it still isn't sharp enough. Hopefully, eventually an innofader will be compatible

Damehype hit it on the head....there is a small amount of crossfader lag even when it on its sharpest setting. I'm more than confident that a innofader is in the works for the SZ.

And yes if you pair your tables with your SZ via DVS, you will certainly have some real estate to cover. The SZ is by no means a small controller in regards to dimensions.

I feel you when you say using static jogs makes you feel like part of you dying, just keep in mind that if you plan on attaching TTs via DVS, to take into account the distance from the xfader and your TTs. Not saying it isn't possible, however some adjustments will be required to tear it up if you so happen want to scratch on your TTs.

Either way...you're a seasoned DJ and you've already done your homework and pretty sure whatever route you decide to go, you'll be quite content.

Peace!!!!

Was afraid this was going to get mentioned. It's the same fader found on the SRT and while I'm not 100% sure the T1 as well. I've been consistently hearing that the lag is there for the SZ but it's been mixed for the SRT and the T1's could be adjusted for less lag through utility adjustments like you mentioned.

Have you tried contacing innofader about SZ compatiblity? If the T1 is now innofader compatible maybe the SZ is already innofader ready...you should definitely hit them up about it if you haven't already.


Yeah it's already almost the size of a pair 12's and a 10"...so adding turntables at the end with everything in their own cases...man a setup like that might as well guard Lebron lol.

This dude doesn't seem to have too much of a problem with it. Granted, he's not very tight, but still, it's doable.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Yes doable indeed...then if I were to even consider adding full size TTs running DVS with the SZ you might as well put the Rane 62,64 in the equation as mentioned in Boogie's initial post. Throw a DDP S1 in and you're set. Decision, decisions, decisions. :) The greatest advantage of going the SZ TTs route is it would afford more options if you so happen decide to do a mobile gig and want to drop some weight. Again, either way you will have a killer system.

One thing to keep in mind, it appears (at this very moment) you will have tighter integration when dealing with a controller vs a mixer with USB built in. When I run my TTs with my 62 with SDJ it not as tight as it is in SSL 2.5. I dedicate my TT/62 setup strictly in SSL. Granted, I only tested one table with my SZ just to see if it worked and noticed no artifacts or delay when manipulating the vinyl.

Peace!!

Sure, but a 64 + SP1 is a hell of a premium compared to the SZ. And then you lose the mobility of having an AIO solution for the times you may need it.

Well it all depends on where you buy...I purchased my 62 @ $400 under retail...and the 64 can be had for much less than the MSRP. Throw a 300-400 dollar Midi Device there and you're right at the MSRP of the SZ. I didn't even pay close to MSRP for the SZ and NS7 2 after I was hipped on certain negotiations skills with my Pro Rep. I was simply stating that he has options, barring finances. If he's looking at or already own the SZ/62/64/SRT I assume money isn't an issue in his case. He's simply looking for opinions on the pros and cons on different setups.

BTW if money is a factor, look out there. You can pick up a pair of brand spanking new 3900's $1200 before tax.

Peace!!!!

Edit...I meant $1400 on the 3900"s. We need a edit button:(

I already had plans to add an SP1 to my original setup....so if I end up with a 64 or SRT it will be added to that. Then make the other setup my backup.

Budget may appear high but I've been setting aside gradually for a new setup. Been really waiting out for a 3 channel that doesn't require an extra box...but the chances of one coming out these days seem slim to none. I also don't plan on paying regular price.

Yup, so have many of us :'(
EmpathSL.....Rane Sixty-Three, etc..

You know, you could always take an Empath and graft an SL3 to it.

True...I could. Though if I eventually tried to sell it...would anyone even be willing to buy something like that?

hell yeah!

If I still had my 05 I would have done something like that but an Empath...I don't know.

I purchased mine on October. It worked flawlessly until I upgrade to Mavericks. Over the weekend I had to perform a fresh install of mountain lion. Things are back to normal now :-)

I'm with ya!!!! I did the same, 10.8.5.....and I also went back to SDJ 1.5.2. No problems to date!!

What issues were you guys having with Mavericks? Mine has been acting strange randomly, and Im wondering if its because of Mav.
*Left platter is slow to reach regular speed when started from a completely stopped position
*Random song skip, it would go from :10 to 1:30 in a song randomly (seems like once every gig, 4 hrs)

Exactly what you stated....plus random dropouts with red yellow cpu lights and stuttering waveforms. I have a i5 Quad Core 3.4ghz with 16gb RAM and I knew I shouldn't have been experiencing those issues. Soon after I rolled back to sdj 1.5.2 and to ML all problems were remedied. The only thing I had to go without because of rolling back was PnT and Stack View, which i can deal with until sdj 1.6+ is more stable.

I think the issues might be "beta driver" and firmware related. Numark really needs to get off their asses and push a solid firmware updated and final driver release.

I think you nailed it on the head JBoogz.... Numark's 10.9 beta driver and no new firmware for the NS72 since its release appears to be the culprit.

Agreed. I don't understand why it's taking so long. Clearly they've devoted resources elsewhere, which is sad considering "the best controller ever built" is hobbled by the "most annoying bugs ever".

In all honesty, I did send my controller out, for a faulty board issue, and it came back working well. Once I upgraded to the latest Mavericks release (10.9.2) I started having some issues. No deal breakers, but some little bugs here and there. The platter slow from start, which the workaround is to just twist the platter start time knob, and it works better after that. But still, things I shouldn't have to do.

Again, I feel as though Numark needs to step it up. People spend damn good money for these "professional" controllers, and I feel as though they drag their feet after the release.

+1

Ever since the OSX upgrade I've been experiencing the same bugs.

+100

Seems I posted from my alter ego account. lol! Well I'm happy to report after a fresh install of Mountain Lion (then upgraded right to Mavericks) that I am NOT experiencing any USB dropout lights. (Yellow or Red) Yet....

I am beginning to regret my purchase quite a bit. Already the cross-fader has gone on me (went about 2 months after purchase). I installed a new one mailed to me by numark a few weeks ago. Today it is starting to bleed again. I guess they will have to mail me a new one again...... Unfortunately my warranty is up in a couple of months. Not what I expected for a $1700 purchase. I have 2 mixers which I use frequently and the cross-faders work fantastic years later. Worse yet. Two of the filter knobs have worn out and they do not stop in the middle anymore and the other two are also quickly wearing out (they started to wear out immediately after purchase) To fix this I have to pay to mail my Extremely heavy unit 600km to the repair centre and wait approximately 4 weeks (plus time in the mail) for them to mail it back to me. And then in a week or few days my filter knobs will begin wearing out once again. So: for $2000+ with case I get a unit that is fully functional only a small fraction of the time within the time I have the unit = 10.5 months and then my warranty is up and I can no longer repair my units filter knobs unless I pay lots more money and wait for my product to be fixed. I will be forced to spend an extra $150 on an innofader but I will never have filter knobs that work well. I talked to the technical support guy on the phone and he tells me they have do not have a fix for the defect in the filter knobs and that they will be replaced with the same faulty technology that will once again wear out. Unfortunately it seems that Numark does not understand that keeping a customer is a SMART business practice. I would have been a loyal numark customer if my problems were properly addressed. I love the unit aside from these quality issues and the bugs with the hardware/software but I am no longer stoked to but Numark products as the quality seems to be a BIG issue.

Hmmm..... How many months warranty did you get? From adding the months you bought it and to running out of warranty, seems like you only got 6 months warranty.

I have had my NS7II since March this year and I have no issues with it so far

Normally you get at least 12 months warranty.

I received 12 months of warranty. Once I send my product in I will be without my product for approximately 6 weeks. I will be in possession of a product with warranty, and able to use that product under warranty for 10.5 months of the warranty period.

It may seems that there is a gap as Numark somehow forgot to send my replacement crossfader for 5 months. Even though it began wearing out months after purchase I only received the replacement fader months before the warrant expires. I did not contact Numark during this period as I was away from my NS7ii. Numark did quickly send me the replacement when I contacted them again.

Sorry to hear about your issues. I don't have any regrets with my purchase.

I completely regret buying mine too. I bought mine in October of last year. I'm fed up with the constant USB dropouts (even on very powerful Macs & PCs), I'm fed up with the knobs wearing out, and I'm fed up with Numark not giving a s*** about the problems with this product. It's been over a year since this thing was released, but they haven't bothered releasing a new firmware to address some of the issues, as if they're under the impression that this controller is perfect!!! My next controller in a year or two will be a Pioneer for sure.

Change the xfader to an Innofader dood. The NS7II is compatible (www.innofader.com). Numark's xfader don't have the reputation you're looking for a performance type xfader. The NS7II is still a boss machine though, just not the xfader. You gotta research these things going in when you're spending that kinda of loot.

Sorry the link above is intended for 'Name already taken'.

Yeah, I'll have to get the innofader. Too bad there arent any inno-filter knobs. The Numark Technical support guy told me that the filter knobs wearing out is not a common issue and that it was the first he heard of it from me. Yet if you look on these forums, the whitelabel.net forums, numark forums, as well as elsewhere on the internet. There are many people experiencing these issues as well.

I don't regret buying mine. I simply do not use it though. Fun controller but when I DO go with a controller (Which is not all that often) I go for the capabilities which is where this bad boy lacks. Got the thing for just over $1000 brad new though so not such a big deal.


Its always fun to play around with it though.

It is surely a problem inherent in the filter knob design or workmanship of this component of the hardware. Even though they are willing to repair my NS7ii, they will will only very temporarily fix the problem while I will take on a huge cost in time, money, and stress. Unfortunately this is not a smart way to do business.

Hello all,

I have been using my NS7ii for 13 months with any numark issues. The main issue I had was mavericks and driver related. A clean install fixed it about 7 months ago.

Good to hear.

Well, BA, did you ever purchase that NS7, or are you still just thinking it over?

Honestly, no controller satisfies my requirements. I'm prolly just gonna' go w' an SX2, and wait to see what Pioneer does w' the XDJ series.

I really wanted to like the NS7II, but I can't get over those Red/White level meters. Plus all the complaints of driver issues, and having to basically neuter your Mac just to get it to operate smoothly. Though, now that it has instant start, I imagine playing w' those platters is hella' fun. In fact, I imagine out of all the Serato controllers, that the NS7II is probably the most "fun" to play on. Oh well. ::if I could find one for $800, I would probably jump on it::

The SZ is great, but it appears that Pioneer skimped out on some of the pots, and made them plastic. Plus, I don't know if I can ever get over the fact that there is not Post-Fader Isotope EFX.

I actually don't like the SX at all....I think it fits too much functionality into such a small space. It feels really tight working w' it. But I need a controller, and it's gonna have to do for now.

I am hoping to see a four channel XDJ-RZ, w' Rekordbox DVS, and FLAC support. If that comes along, I won't be buying anymore Serato/Traktor gear for a while.

The SX is a slick little controller, really ...and well worth the money. But, as you say, it is somewhat cramped, and when you're out performing, it looks a bit like you brought your bedroom toy out for the show.

I don't have an NS, but I have a pair of V7s, which perform basically the same. One thing I love about these Numarks, is the "BPM Meter". Provided your BPM for each track is accurate, you can tell at just a glance, whether your tracks are in sync (BPM wise). I never even use the headphones anymore at all, unless I'm cueing a new (completely unheard) track. You can also do some tricks with these controllers that you can't with others.

On the negative side; I can't even use SDJ at all with these ...it just has too many bugs in it yet. Works great with Itch though, although Itch lacks a lot of SDJ's advanced features. My main complaint is the primitive platter motor firmware. If you're the kind of DJ that starts all his tracks manually by manipulating the record, that may not bother you. But without the $2k modifications I had done on mine, the platters will wander off cue (and drop SYNC correspondingly) when they are idle, or just after they are stopped. They have no holding function like my SCS1-Ds.

Overall, all I can say is, despite their faults, I wouldn't trade my current setup for anything else out there on the market at this time... My advice: Go wherever you have to go, and get your hands on both of these controllers (SX vs NS). You'll know in less than 20 minutes which one you want.

(!) Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I hadn't seen it before. This is the direction everything is going. Eventually a separate computer will no longer be required. -- the sooner, the better.... IMO

I would love to see Pioneer make a 2-chnl SZ with the larger platters. Or even an XDJ-SZ wit the larger platters.

That's kinda' what I was getting at when I said this.....


I have no doubt it will come, it's just a matter of when? And will it incorporate a DVS feature into Rekordbox, that's another question?

Yeah I know. Only difference is you're looking for 4-chnls and I'm looking for 2-chnls. :-)

Now I'm REALLY regretting the purchase. I installed the innofader and that works great. But now I'm experiencing the piece of s&^*t NS7ii disconnecting after less then a minute of use. BS f'ing BS.

This happened in the beginning and I thought it was solved, I re-installed everything including completely deleting my serato dj library and starting a new one. This is the same issue that happened when this piece of garbage was released.

This situation really reminds me of the Pioneer DDJ-SZ jog wheels not being 100% responsive. Within a month of the SZ being released Pioneer made a public announcement saying their engineers were looking into it. Shortly after, a fiirmware update was released that FIXED that issue.

Correction. It was 2 months, not one month. Still a helluva lot faster than Numark! Numark is creeping up on 2 years and STILL no resolution. I think I'm going to sell my NS7 II and get a SZ or SX 2.

Difference there would be Pioneer owned up to the issue, paid for ALL the affected units (including shipping both ways) and fixed all future units. Numark on the other hand did...........

I am not sure if this is as widespread or cut & dry as that situation TBH. I myself was affected by the SZ issue and as far as I know every person was (although some did not have an issue with it) with the original batches. With this however it does not seem to be common at all.

Yup...

*smh*

@ djkurve - Have you tried SDJ with other devices and had success that you have narrowed it down to JUST the NS7II?

And was there nothing that anyone did that made this come back? It seems both kurve and "name already taken" were at one point somewhat at ease then things got back off track. Or am I wrong here?

I've been using SDJ with the NS7 II since I got it back in August 2013. Also used it with Pioneer DDJ-SX. (No problems with it) Oh and been using it since they offered support with the Rane 62. (Also no issues with it.)

Not good news at all................. for Numarks case. I hope this does not become one of those triage situations where because it does not affect a large number it will be ignored.

You think it's the NS7... or SDJ causing the issues? Out of curiosity, has anyone tried using the NS7II with Itch..?

SDJ won't work at all with my Twitch controller, but it's a rock solid performer with Itch or VDJ8. It tries to work with my V7s, but exhibits a myriad of problems, yet they also work great with Itch.. I don't know... just sayin'.

NS7II is a Serato Dj controller.

Oh I think it's bigger than that. Numark thinks they could ignore this situation by deleting comments on their forum and not responding emails... Well they have another thing coming...

Everytime I read this I get infuriated...

"This is because the platter is being ramped up/down and the MIDI messages can be confused. If you are having the track jump or skip around unexpectedly, then you are most likely experiencing this issue - especially if you are using things like Motor On/Off, or Sync On/Off.

To avoid this, try to keep the Motors or Sync either on or off throughout the duration of your set, this will help eliminate the chance of this issue happening"

I spend $1,500 on, "The Best DJ Controller Ever Built. Period." back in August 2013 and experience this issue throughout the years and no fix yet!?!

Obviously...

THIS is the most hilarious thing I have ever read. Numark has issued many checks they can not cash and are the kings of kings of outrageous claims and false titles. I do feel bad for you as even though I haven't used my NS7II much (due to having an arsenal of gear) it has been pretty much flawless in terms of stability. Not waving this around to piss you off though I genuinely wish this were the case for all.

Not for nothing now you have Numark offering an identical (looking) base unit ADDING DVS, RGB color coded performance pads, THREE screens.................. yet charging the SAME PRICE as the NS7II.................... WTF was the NS7II that much for then if adding all that amazing crap didn't affect the price at all?!?!?!?

This is obvious you are correct.
How would this be possible with this obvious fact?

@deejdave @djkurve since you guys have the NS7II have you guys ever experienced a loud pop (limiter also kicks in red) through your headphones/speakers when scratching on a beat?



Vdj also has this problem it ain't any better over there.

Guys the NS7 2 has internal issues that cannot be fixed with SW / FW. Hence why they released the 3. Think of it, an NS7 2 with the added screens is technically an NS7 3. Besides that, are the coloured pads (like the SZ) a real reason to make a whole new product on its own? Even Chris from Numark stated that the NS72 may get a FW update to have this (community.numark.com)

So let’s sum it up, let's say I have an NS7 2 and I buy the screens this new FW comes out and I have coloured pads and also DVS plug in is included, what would differentiate the 3? Since the three includes all of these together (screens and included DVS expansion pack) is it cheaper than buying a 2 separately with screen and DVS plug-in? Is that a REAL reason to make a WHOLE new product?

Something doesn’t add up.

Also no one from freaking Numark want's to say , hey guys this is what is different between the two. The differences are internal.

Chris from Numark has got to be one of the worst people to deal with. He deletes my comments and refers me to the press release of the 3 to see the differences. It's the exact same as the 2 on paper (other than it includes the screens, DVS expansion and coloured RGB pads). Once the two gets these and the screens are purchased as an on add, what makes them different? Dude just dosent want to say as he knows it would bother all of us.

What DJDave meant by that was the NS7II isn't supported in ITCH, only SeratoDJ.

All of this shit is why Numark should have put all of these features into an NS6mkII, and not brought out another NS7 controller. If anything, they should have ditched the "7" altogether, and just made a Numark V10 instead.

Fools.

DVS support is coming with the NS7 II as well. You still have to purchase the plug-in though. (For both the NS7 II & III) At least Pioneer got it right with the DDJ-SZ. DVS ready out the box with no additional purchases. Also with an updated version of SDJ us NS7 II users will get color RGB pads. When that updated version is going to be released is unknown to me.

Never experienced that.



Wow! So that's pretty shitty. Two major software companies having the same issues with a flagship controller. *smh*

yes , therefore what really separates the 2 and 3 other than the three comes with this out of the box?Some internal parts must of been updated to avoid these issues we are seeing.

On top of track skipping, you can search the forums for a NUMBER of users who get a slow ramp up on the left deck. Basically really randomly when you hit play the song starts up as if the start knob is at max. No one can figure this out. The only fix is the hit cue first then seamlessly hit play or to move the start time knob CW then back CCW to re initialize it.

NS7 1 on itch NEVER had this issue. NEVER, 250 shows with it.

I know it's a SDJ controller, Dave. I asked a simple question: "has anyone ever tried it with Itch?". Well... have they?

It's just a simple way to test whether the software or the hardware is at fault. It it did happen to work with Itch, and the problem consequently disappeared, then you'd have your answer. I'd lay odds it's the software.

You mean, "V10", as having a 10" platter...? If so, yeah... 100%. I'd even go for a "V12". I'd sell my V7s, and never look back... you know it!

I agree with you 100% about the NS7 II having internal issues. Why they just won't own up to it is beyond me. Also Chris D. did mention on their forum about the RGB color cue points. He said, "The RGB color actually doesn't need a firmware update on the NS7II. That will be in a future software update which I currently don't have an ETA on at this time."




I think Numark is going to drop the new firmware right before they release/ship the NS7 III units. That way NS7 II users will be able to use the screen bar add-on whenever they release it shortly afterwards. DVS support (which still needs to be purchased for $99 regardless) will be added for the NS7 II with the same firmware update, but they're going to include the new firmware update already pre-installed when the NS7 III unit ship.That's my prediction. If they are selling the screen-bar for like $200-$300 it would be cheaper to buy them individually. If you shop around you can get a brand new NS7 II from anywhere between $900-$1,100.






There actually is no difference between the main portion of the NS7 II unit. Internal hardware is identical. They just slapped some new logos/stickers on the unit that say NS7 III. Only new piece of hardware is the screen bar. Which leads me to my next point. The screen bar. Now I'm no engineer, but since the main unit of the NS7 III is a NS7 II (with no internal updates) why would it not work natively with my current NS7 II? I mean all the new technology is in that screen bar add-on. Which will only work with the NS7 III (Can we just call it an NS7 II already. lol!) and no other controllers on the market. This making it proprietary hardware exclusively for the NS7 III. (NS7 II) And proprietary to the Serato DJ software as well. I think Numark doesn't want to be honest in this situation because they want to try and move as many of these NS7 III bundles before they drop the screen bar add-on. Almost makes me want to buy an NS7 III just to try the screen bar on my NS7 II. lol!




Agree 1000%. He can't take any constructive criticism. The first hint of negativity towards either him or Numark gets you the delete hammer! This was my latest post to him...

"Chris no offense, but you're starting to sound like a broken record. I feel like you're insulting our intelligence. We are not some 13 year old kids, we are grown (educated) adults. And some of us actually are a lot more technically inclined than you know. (I am one of those. If you haven't figured that out by all my tech questions/statements.) So could you stop giving us the generic answers right from the manual? Once again you're the subject matter expert when it comes to the NS7 II, so please give it it to us straight."

NS7 II is not backwards compatible with ITCH. It was designed to only work with Serato DJ. However, the original NS7 will work with ITCH or SDJ. You have to pay to upgrade to SDJ however. But the option is there.

For the record no I never experienced the loud pops. Have only used the NS7II with SDJ and to be 100% honest I don't use it all that often.

As far as RGB pads for the NS7II I absolutely believe them with this. As far as DVS with NS7II I actually do not believe them. Just a hunch but Numark has never given me reason to have the faith LOL. Trust that I would love to be wrong here. Obviously I would NEVER use the DVS with the NS7II............. Hell I don't even use it with my SZ but I know there are plenty of peeps here who will be purchasing the DVS pack straight away to try this. I have the DVS pack already for the AMX and the Club Kit so having the option to use with the NS7II is not all that bad I suppose.

I'll ask the question again... Has anyone ever actually tried it, to see..?

Yes, I have. It doesn't work.

I mean, I am sure someone can figure out a hack that "might" get it to work. But as far as just plugging in, and firing up ITCH, it doesn't work.

youtu.be

Pardon me, BA. This is your thread and I respect that, so not trying to be rude or anything. But help me out here. Sorry if I sound confused, but first you were saying that you had no way to get close enough to one of these controllers to get hands on with it. Now you're saying that not only are you hands on, but you've even tried the NS7II with Itch..?

Went to your link, thinking there might be something of value there, but right away I knew it was going to be lame, when I noticed the comments were disabled. So I elected not to waste any more of my time there. On the other hand, I catch your meaning...

Yes, I realize there are many here on this forum that become nauseous at even the thought of trying anything new, especially if it's "unapproved" by Serato or some other figure of authority in their lives. ...it's truly sad, and you have my deepest sympathy. Just please, next time spare me the Facebook grade antics.

Do you realize how OLD this thread is, Demolition?



Yeah, there are two peeps in my town that have them now. I have played (not in a professional way) on the NS7II quite a few times....albeit, on Virtual DJ, haha. Though I did get to plug in my Mac and mess around a bit at a house party.

I certainly do. I noted the date, and read the whole thread before my first reply. Nowhere in this thread do I recall you saying anything to make me think otherwise. Sorry, if I was laboring under the wrong impression.


Speaking of VDJ... I've had a VDJ license since '03. I became pretty fed up with them after 4 or 5 years, as they just kept on making the software worse overall, rather than better. I switched to Serato when I bought my V7s, as Itch was simple and reliable, and that's hard to beat when you're working professionally.

But now that just about every other software vendor has raised the bar, with features like quantize, quality timestretch, etc., Itch is looking pretty poor in comparison. Serato provides us with SDJ, but it is totally unusable with my Twitch controller, and completely unreliable with my V7s. Furthermore, they want us to pay extra for things that should be standard fare, like timestretch and video. So, I decided to have a look at VDJ8. I figured it couldn't be any worse, right..?

I haven't tried it with my V7s yet, but I have been using it with my Twitch now for about three weeks. I have it doing things that Serato users could only dream of, like for instance, the LEDs in my touchstrips are moving in time with the beat (bar) now, not the platter. Way better..! And it is rock solid, with excellent sound quality. I'd forgotten how nice it can be, to be able to program things the way you like.

Demolition, I have V7s also (refuse to sell them due to their uniqueness), but I put them away for now hoping for a better software solution to come along. Let me know when you get around to trying them with VDJ. I'm very interested in your findings.

Thanks - Ragman

Sure, I will. Right now however, I'm like a kid on Christmas morning. I'm having an absolute ball, playing around with this VDJ/Twitch combo... I'm running four decks off of a two deck controller, and before I'm done, I hope to have my TTXs on channels 3&4...

Understandable. Thanks... ;-)

I have the 2 V7's + X5, an NS7 & NS7II (as seen in my pic) and they work great with VDJ 8 scratching is about as tight as with serato. The ''jumping playhead issue'' also happens in vdj (as of the last few update beta builds) also a few audio glitches due to the moving platters when i change the tempo.

Apart from that the only issue i have with serato dj is a loud pop that's louder than the master volume and often deafening when scratching/crabbing on a beat. Even with the gains lowered.

serato.com

Other than that I would never sell any of them either due to their uniqueness.

After having NS7, now I use NS7II and wouldn't change it ever for any other controller. I had also DDJ-SX for a few days and I personally don't like its plastic case and non-moving platters.

Everything on NS7II is great! Except one thing... I have an issue with phono input which has too much hiss. I had an idea about connecting my SL-1210 Mk2 to NS7II but now I see it's pointless. The hiss is way to loud. Other people also confirmed me to have the same problem, it's general problem with NS7II, I guess, not only mine.

If someone here also have NS7II, could you please check what happens when you switch for example fader on channel 2 to Line and Line/Phono switch on the back panel to Phono? Huge hiss is there, right?

Thats funny, Chris deleted my comments as well. The NS7ii has RGB pads. They just don't change color according to cue points? I think the NS7iii is the EXACT same yet with the screens and newer firmware.

It is...

And.... Does that strip search thing work properly for anybody? Seriously..... Are my fingers not capacitive enough or not shaped properly or something. I figure it isn't defective as both sides "don't work right" in a consistent manner. The track jumps to the spot I touch and then back to the beginning or some random point. I like the idea but why doesn't it work like ALL of the touch sensitive devices I have owned for the past decade or so?

And the smart synch going out of synch and then you having to juggle through decks to un-synch the the decks in the proper order and re-sync them so that the dominant track does not jump in the mix (when mixing 3 or more tracks) is extremely frustrating. Serato says it is due to the signal from the motor on the NS7ii platters changing that does this, I say it is REALLY, REALLY, LAME.....

NO!


This problem is Serato's failure. At the very least, they should have given us the option to adjust that Sync dropout parameter to our own taste. I've tried my V7s with VDJ8, and didn't have any issues in that particular area. VDJ's beatlock function will lock the tracks together like meshed gears. Of course, that can be good, or bad... depending on the situation.

And the creeping platters that won't hold cue... either of them could have fixed that in the soft/firm-ware, if either of them had a clue.

And first of all why u even use auto sync?? Learn to do it manually so theres no issues then. And the strip search works flawlesly. No problems at all. Second best equipment I have after my turntables :)

Yeah okay, right... I want to see you syncing three or four tracks simultaneously and on the fly. Maybe you would like to post a video on YouTube?

what is the difference when mixing 3 or 4 tracks instead of two?? Does the fundamentals change somehow?? U cant adjust pitch manually when mixing 3 or 4 tracks?? Then ur hardware have some issues, on my Ns7 mk2 i can match two, three or four tracks manually?? "If the machine do it for u, ur not needed" :) People just forget fundamentals and cry when the computer cant do it for them :) U can learn and do 4 track mixing maually, it only depends on, do u want to. Usually "sync masters" get yelled out on the partys and clubs here. Cause if we want computer do the dj's job, we just put VDJ on automix and it does the job somehow, and u dont even have to tap the sync. Computer does it for U.

I offered u the option being proud Dj who can manually make a great mix and ur argument is that u cannot "dont want to" do it, and someone should show it to u.

Sorry about double post, mobile internet lagging :)

I've been DJing for hire since 1970. I obviously know how to beat match. (or 'pitch match', in the case of what you are saying) However there's a big difference between matching the pitch on multiple tracks, vs holding the beats in perfect sync. Now, like I said before... if you can hold four average tracks in perfect sync manually, I want to see that done. I'm not ashamed to admit that I can't.

If you're just going to spin vinyl on a couple of TTs old school style, why use sync..? I get it. But if you're on a controller running four decks plus a sampler full of beat loops, you better get used to how sync works, 'cause you're gonna need it.

You didn't have a 2x post... It's just this server software. It doesn't refresh properly.

i understand the meaning of sync in this very well, and I don't denie that it's good tool, especially when u hit sampler slots to ur set, then i can't imagine myself doing 3-4 deck mix with just ear. But tried today morning it, 3 deck mixing on the fly using ns7 cue loops, works. It didn't sound like routine but it didn't sound disaster either. Sync isn't bad IMO but the concept that if it's missing, it's huge deal, just makes my ears ring :) Hopefully ur prob will be fixed soon. I'm happy with my NS7 mk2, running it early 2015 macbookpro:
Yosemite running.
i7 2,2Ghz, 16Gb ram, 256Gb FlashDrive, All music running from external hard drive.
No issues with serato with ns7 mk2 and no issues with Traktor Z2, both running at max.

It's a early 2014 macbook where did you get the 2015 at?

it's just based on when i bought it :) latest retina macbook pro it is :)

I just got one too it's quick as hell

Confirmed. I just checked in earlier today and no 2015's yet. Anyone have any reliable intel as to when/what? Will it be the 12" etc. and will it be April for the first wave of 2015's? I am looking for MacBook Pro obviously no Air for me.

Not trying to derail or hijack thread but it is such a side-job topic I am just hoping for a quick link or info thanks.

I want some damn DVS support already!!! I believe that a hologram DVS turntable system will be released before this stupid firmware update!

And as far as regrets, I regret it every day.

Things are changing rapidly. Most old school DJs can't quite see it, even though it's right in front of their face. Do you know anyone who's still carrying heavy crates of music around, or who doesn't use cue points, loops, and effects..? Everything is headed that way. In fact the only thing holding up progress at this time, is the software companies themselves.

I'm working on my own solution to the problem at the moment. If I can get my Twitch, and my TTXs working together through VDJ8, I'll have the best of both worlds, with all the configurability you could ask for. What I like about this setup, is that it still almost looks like an ordinary two channel mixer/turntable combo, yet it can do SO much more...

Sorry for highjacking your thread Black Avenger...

Yes the fundamentals do change depending on what you are mixing. You can not easily beat-match something that does not have a beat for example. If you are mixing 4 tracks of dubstep-anthem-trance together it is of course going to sound not that nice. I would much rather listen to a good DJ using Sync functions while scratching and doing innovative and fresh things than a "shit" DJ mixing by ear "shit" music. Even if the shit DJ has excellent mixing skills. I guess it is very hard to understand if you think that being a DJ is all about mixing top 40 music by ear. Would a Master-Chef spend all of his time peeling potatoes as it is a fundamental skill that he feels he needs to prove he can do at all times when cooking or would he better spend time creating the next world class dish?

Exactly. For example, in another thread I was relating how I used to have to splice tape for a month sometimes to get a decent remix. Well... I could still do it that way, but would anyone really care how much extra time I had invested? No..! Why then would I, when there are much better ways to accomplish the same task today?

So I use Audacity now. It's still very primitive, but it sure beats the old way. I finished this one yesterday, and only took 2 hours of actual cutting/splicing time: soundcloud.com ,and I think you'll agree the results are much better.

Has anyone tried to connect turntables (Technics 1210Mk2) to Numark NS7II?
I have terrible hiss on phono inputs!

Doesn't work yet, but will with future update

Sorry, if you mean without DVS then yes it works just make sure you switch the channels to line

How will that work, without a preamp of some sort?

I've used turntables connected to the controller. I believe its. PC switch for normal playback on NS7ii. Line switch if you have a scratch live box hooked up to it, and phono switch for regular vinyl.

I've used it all the ways I listed perfectly

djxcellerator,

Thanks for reply, I am talking about connecting turntable Technics 1210 Mk2 which has phono output (not line) to use it with regular vinyls, not DVS.

Furthermore, NS7II does have phono inputs and I connect everything properly (fader 2, top switch to LINE, back panel switch to PHONO, GND ground wire properly connected).
If we read NS7II manual, this setup is possible, it doesn't have to do anything with Serato, it should also work even without computer connected.

The problem I have is too much hiss on phono input, turntable works but with a lot of hiss! Can you please check my video which explains this problem?
youtu.be

Thank you so much for reply and your time ;)

Ok maybe the hiss is from your turntables I use Stanton str8 150s regular vinyls no hiss

I don't get why it does that, it should work fine no matter what kind of turntable it is

When I get home tomorrow I will hook it up and show you how I have it set up maybe that will help

Xcellerator says his arrangement works fine (although I'm sure you'd have to use the "phono" inputs - not "line"). So maybe it's just your particular unit that has that issue?

I know my V7 search touch strips are completely unusable, and I hear some NS7 users say the same. However others report that theirs work just fine... (must be nice!) So you may have part of a defective lot. Try isolating the problem by trying your TTs through a standard mixer, etc., until you know for sure that he issue is actual with the Numark unit, or somewhere else.

DJ Demolition,

Thanks, I've already tried everything (and I have experience behind me 25+ years). When I connect my turnrable to any other mixer (Xone 22 for example) everything is fine. I AM connecting my turntable to phono input. Line IN in Numark works fine. Besides, I know at least two other persons who have the same problem.
Moreover, even if you don't connect the turntable, it is enough to put the top swtich on channel 2 to LINE and back panel switch to PHONO, the hiss is there. Nothing to do with my turntable.

Regarding your stripsearch problem, I agree, it works pretty much unprecisely. But, I just ignore it and don't use it. Instead, PRESS SHIFT and rotate jogwheel = it does the same thing. Hope this helps...

What! I'll have to try that immediately.

Okay, I tried it and you're right. Still a little jerky and erratic, but way better and more intuitive than the strip. The software needs to be modified so that the track continues to play normally until you release "shift", though.

Thanks for the tip, I'll bet there are a lot of other users here on the forum that would like to know that also.

From what you are telling me about your unit, I'd say it is defective. I'd be getting back with your dealer and/or Numark with that issue ASAP, if it were me.

No problems DJ Demolition, I'm glad I could help ;)

Regarding my problem, I have already contacted UK Numark support but it seems they are playing blind games with me, nobody reads what I am writing and telling me some phrases which mean nothing... Check this, check that, c'mon, I don't fool arounf if I hadn't already checked before. And other people on this Numark forum tells the same. Exactly the same problem.

Please, I would appreciate if you take a look and try to do the same with your unit if you have NS7II. Just follow the link:

community.numark.com

I'm in the same boat as you...

community.numark.com

Hey, I'd be more than happy to, but I have the V7s. I went that route because I wanted a real independent mixer of my own choosing.

As far as the Numark people: been there and done that... Like you say, everything is your fault according to them. It's like a stone wall. You could go my route, or sell it and buy a SX/SZ. On the other hand, you could have your lawyer send a letter to the the CEO of the parent corporation, and watch what happens then... :) That's what I did with Stanton...

That sounds like a grounding issue. Make sure that the ground wire connects securely to your NS7II and that you are using plugs and power bars with a 3 prong plug (If American) or the other ground connection thing (European).

All DJ mixers have built-in pre-amps

And Yes! I forget to mention how F^%&^*g annoying it is to have to move both the right deck crossfader toggle every-time I start serato so that the crossfader works. This does not happen with the left decks (I use hamster style). Is anybody or everybody else experiencing this problem or the opposite perhaps?

Of course, if you use the "phono" inputs. When Xcellerator mentioned "switch to line", I think he meant move the selector switch to "line" vs "pc" or "mic".

I'm not a big fan of all-in-one controllers, but while we're on the subject, check this pimped out NS: articulo.mercadolibre.com.ec

From what he's said so far, I'm pretty sure Alek would know that his TTs needed grounding, and how that sounds. (not a 'hiss')

That looks hot...

Yeah, I think that's a skin kit you can buy online, but I really like the way those silver "records" look on top.

BTW, what exactly is that supposed to be on your avatar..? I can't make it out.

It's a masked face of The Ragman. Marvel comics hero. ;-)

Here's a better pic.

www.superherostuff.com

I don't understand the concept (of a 'ragman'), but I like this avatar picture way better...

You could easily edit the left side of the frame & make it look as though he was reaching out through the screen.

How's this? You like that better? I wanna make sure you're happy... :-)

Name already taken,

Unfortunately, my problem is NOT related to grounding (GND), my turntable works fine on other mixers. All people who checked their NS7II as I describe, noticed the same problem. Even without turntable you can hear the beautiful hiss on phono input, look at these pictures, you can even SEE the hiss :

d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net
d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net

If you have NS7II just do the two things as shown on pictures:
1. The switch on top panel on channel 2 to LINE
2. The switch on the rear panel for ch.2 to PHONO
... and the hiss is there (turn up the gain volume)... even without connecting turntable.

Damn. My Korg Zero4/8 did this too......I owned three of them, and all three had it.
SMDH......good luck to all of you NS7II owners. I am soooooo glad I didn't impulsively buy it when it fist came out.

DJ Demolition,

Thanks for help, but SX/SZ are not the solution for me. I've already had SX and sold it after a week. I can't stand the plastic case and static jogwheel. Respect to SZ it looks marvelous and high quality built, but it's not my toy - I like rotating jogs, I'm an oldschool guy who loves to TOUCH the rotating vinyls ;) I can't feel the music with plastic knobs and keys, it ruins my satisfaction and mood.

Numark NS7II is a great product, I love it, and I won't change it soon, but obviously analog parts are not done properly. I'd rather add Xone 23 to my setup just to serve the turntables...

Regardding V7's - they are super great products, but not properly supported by Serato, shame on that.

Aside from all disadvantages, I still confirm that NS7II is the best controller in the world so far.

Okay, it has some bugs and mistakes, my problem with phono input drives me crazy and that is addressed to very poor Numark's relation to customers. They don't show much respect for demanding DJs. But, bottom line, for me it is still far better than any other unit in the world!

Maybe I'm too demanding, but all other controllers (except SZ) are pieces of cheap plastic.

Haha... I was thinking something more like this.

It's all geared toward quick corporate profit, and has nothing to do with real professionalism, or pride of engineering. All the companies assault us with endless hype, while they mostly come up very short on substance, when viewed in the light of reality. That being said... my V7s are the most substantial controllers that I have seen from anyone so far. Too bad Stanton dropped the ball with their SDS1-Ds.

Well dam, how did you yours like that? Photoshop editing?

I used Gimp for that.

I think I like this view better, although it makes him left-handed.

You're welcome to the image, if you like it.

Shitty, I'm not looking forward to noticing that problem as well next time I hook up my table! Could it possible be an internal grounding issue in the NS7II or perhaps a really low quality pre-amp built into this best controller ever built? I mean they did decide to use low quality potentiometers that start wearing out after a week of use (Filter Knobs). I do suspect that it could be a low quality pre-amp or some sort of feedback from the preamp (when my external pre-amp is on my audio interface I notice noise as well). I'm not an electrical engineer but I would believe something of that nature would cause that...

Mine hisses too, even worse on channel 1 than 2, it has a grainy element on channel 1. It doesn't sound like a grounding issue.....

Thank you very much! Very much appreciated!
Even Numark UK Support admitted that there is something wrong within the unit. My unit. But of course, they don't want to admit that this is serial mistake. That is why I ask other people to check too!

And guess what? So far, 3 people who tested from different countries confirmed the same problem! 100% failure confirmations! Too much to be just a "mistake". And I will investigate even more!

No problem for me, I will buy another mixer for turntables, but just for the sake of truth!

Or just buy separate preamps for each turntable, heard that it have fixed the problem. 30e each not too pricy. Tough I understand ur frustration.

lol... Genius! I should have thought of that. Yeah... that would do it, and just send Numark the bill.

Or if you want really good sound, best price per performance ratio then...

hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com

I got one of these and it sounds pretty good

Thank you guys for helping!

I have really frustrating communication with Chris from Numark on their forum, and this time I will go further, I don't want to play a fool in this story with Chris who is not helping and that is the Numark's shame! I'm not going to allow that! Look his last post here :
community.numark.com

For my final solution - yeas I am aware I will have to buy another mixer for my turntables, I knew it from the start of the correspondence. And I will buy Xone 23. You're right, separate phono preamps are also fine, but 2preamps are up to 100 euros cost and a new mixer will be around 230. But with new mixer I will have much more options, at least I will have a separate analogue DJ system along with NS7II which I will keep for digital games only.

Once again NS7II is a great digital controller, despite all problems, the best one on the market. But obviously, only for playing around in Serato. It is not for analogue joy, not only because of this phono preamp issue...

Microphone preamps are also under the minimum quality, it was much better with original NS7. EQ knobs are also hardly okay when working with analogue inputs. Bottom line, NS7II is great for playing around with mp3 in Serato DJ, but forget it if you want to use any external device connected to it. It will work, but you can't make a party with it and earn money.

Now I will take popcorns, sit back and watch this funny movie which is announced and is going to happen with DVS on NS7II's shitty phono preamps. Poor people who are hoping to get something there...

Maybe that is why they haven't released DVS for the NS7II, so that people would not hook up turntables and hear the horrible noise coming from the "Best Controller Ever Built With The Lowest Quality Components". That is what they should change the name to....

I kinda figured for $1,500 the controller would have the best quality parts and workmanship, man was I ever wrong. Expensive lesson learned..... You can definitely afford 2 quality turntables and a high quality Controller/Mixer for that price....

Comparing to example rane series of mixers or other dvs systems on serato,2x60euros preamps is pocket money i think. Thats an amount that I can spend every where when ever,

I read the ur thread with chris... Interesting that u have to turn gain control all over on to get that hiss. Why don't u leave phono line gains so that the hiss is minimum, then cooperate with the other lines gain knobs which are used by software and adjust tha main volume to get desired result. My Z2 and regular mixer give that hisss if gain is turned all the way on, instead i keep gain on turntable channels 12 o clock and other lines like 9 or 10 o clock and then turning the main volume untill desired result.

Kinda' have to agree. None of these products can live up to the hype. I love to call them out on that. But the fact is, you're lucky if you can just make something work to your satisfaction, any way at all...

Different things bother different people. It cost me over 2k to get the firmware modified on my V7s so that the platters would stay on cue when at rest. That really bothered me, but I don't hear any of you complaining about it.

Tommy Deem,

Gain knobs are irrelevant, I hear significant hiss even when on 11 o'clock. I turned them up to max just to take the picture which shows that hiss is that high that even can be seen.

Regarding phono preamps, they are nice investment, although not my cup of tea. Cheap Xone 23 will do the job for me for analogue setup, I am not chasing DVS, for playing with mp3s I have NS7II which is great in that area, I just need something for regular vinyls...

www.dropbox.com
No hiss at all, pure sound.

So on my experience, the problen could be tt to mixer related, not the ns7 itself, more like the external devices causing ur his.

From first to last photo, setting up ns7, then connecting turntables on phono, then switching to line as seen, then playing music while software is of, then faders down and software on, no hiss.

my suggest to u Alek, try differend rca and ground cables, then try different power cable on ns7 and if possible, on ur turntable. My numark tt500 turntables with ortofon scratch dosen't make any hiss sound. I try to make video about this also on weekend if i have any time :)

Tommy, he's saying it does it without anything connected at all.

hmmm O_o thats interesting, sound like power leak then. Feel sorry for him :/ My knowledge ends here then :(

It happens to me with nothing plugged into the ns7ii. So it is fully to do with the unit.

The NS7II is a very "BIG!!!!!" alternative to a dvs soundcard. It's a bit alkward to scratch and beat juggle with turntables 3.5 feet apart by the way.

I don't think Numark is going to take this serious because in all honesty the average DJ buying the NS7, II & III are not looking to hook turntables up to it, but rather it's an alternative to t/t's. It's sad though because like Name already taken said it really can't be considered "The Best Controller Ever Built" with cheap ass components built inside. But that's Numark's M.O. skimp where they can to make an extra buck. I can only recall one product where they built a quality beast inside and out. And that was the Pro-SMX mixer. Ironically it didn't sell well so they literally gave it away. I still have one which I paid $300 for 2 years ago. Pure quality build inside/out on that mixer.

I suppose we might do well to remember that up until the last few years, Numark was always considered a second or third rate brand. They have stepped up their game of late, but old habits die hard.

Ragman, exactly, you're right - there is not much sense in connecting turntable to NS7IIs.

Beacuse if you want to spin mp3s on timecode, why connecting turntable when you can play mp3s directly on NS7II, it is marvelous for that.
And if somebody wants real vinyls, no sense in hooking it to NS7II because it is not only about phono preamp. Everything else on Numakr NS7II is not good in analogue zone - EQ knobs are not precise like when you use them with Serato DJ. That's why I will buy another mixer and have two different full setups - one analogue (2x1210 + Xone 23) and one digital (NS7II). A bit more expensive, but far better.

Tommy Deem, huge thanks for photos and testing.

"Old habits die hard" and "New Numark products die fast"

I have nothing bad to say about numark. My TT500's are 4 years old and still works like charm. Ns7 works perfectly after few years (if bad eq knobs dosen't count) Good products so far :)

It's not speaking bad of Numark, it's just the way they've always done things. I have plenty of Numark products that have lasted decades (literally). But if there's a way for them to build a product and save in an area that is rarely used, they will do it. That's why they can charge the prices they do which typically comes in under Pioneer's professional range of similar products. As I said above, if you never use the NS7 II for hooking up t/t's then the controller is badass. But calling it the best means every part of it must measure up to that title.

Yup.

numark and high quality are words that are rarely paired together

As long as you buy an innofader, don't need smart sync and don't care about your filter knobs wearing out after a week!

allready bought innofader with the unit, bought it to every unit t´which i have, ss works, filter knobs wearing out not an issue. All people do is listing cons not pros. So sad.

@ Alek: Watchwww.youtube.com

DJ Demolition, thanks.

But I can't open this video :-(

And I'm not going to buy DDJ-SZ, it's great, but far overpriced. Still love my NS7II, although love with Numark sometimes hurts ;-)

Nowdays, we are changing equipment much faster, software upgrades etc etc... Maybe that's why more or less any manufacturer tries to save. I am not delighted with Pioneer either. Maybe only A&H and Rane are better, I guess... And more expensive...

Bottom line, whatever we buy it is likely that we are going to change after a year or two... I just remember good old days when my 1210s lasted for many years. Maybe that is the reason why they are not being produced any more... Too much quality for today's philosophy ;-)

Too bad... Five-0 is really cuttin' it up. Here's the search terms, if you care to look: "ddj-sz in time code mode".

Yeah, it's expensive and not exactly my cup of tea either, but apparently it will get the job done in the right hands.

NS7II color Coded Due Points Enjoy - serato.com

*Cue lol

Cool

Actually I completely disagree. I would be saying positive things in this thread if Numark were helpful and made an effort to live up to their claims of "best controller ever, period" I wish that were true but it is not. I really like the controller except for its faults. The problem is that the faults are too many and Numark does not address the problems with the controller. If they made an effort to live up to their bogus marketing claims I would tell people how great the controller is, how Numark were helpful with their support, and care about their customers. Unfortunately I am left with a bad taste in my mouth after dealing with Numark. Being expected to wait a month and a half to have knobs repaired that will immediately begin wearing out and having to pay shipping costs to send them the unit is like being bullied into sucking it up and accepting that your unit will never work as intended. I tell everybody that my Dell computer is great and I do recommend buying one as they sent a repair technician over 200km to repair a faulty wireless/bluetooth component and keyboard. Sure the original computer did not work as I expected but they did make an effort and rectify the problem. I will gladly buy their products again. This thread was started by somebody asking for recommendations on weather to buy this unit and my honest recommendation is to not do so. Buy another controller to work with DVS and turntables.

Not for nothing the title of this thread in itself leaves NO question why the negative input would be abundant. It flat out calls for it, no? There is plenty of praise to be given with their products as of late IMO though..................... this just happens to not be the place for it is all.

So far my testing of Serato DJ 1.7.4 with the NS7ii is going great!!!

Colour CUE points look cool as on this controller as was just was to much red.

One thing that annoys me the booth output is RCA! Come on booths are always 1/4" Jack. So i have had to make some converter leads. Grrrr

Is anyone here testing the 1.7.4BETA???? Just wondered how you guys found it?

Yes I have. I haven't experienced any issues since beta 2. The first had jerkey display on that on screen vinly simulation. It seems OK so far.

Do you use Pitch and Time?

All good here allso, all expansion packs working great, pitch and time, video and remote, no problems anymore.

I'm rock solid on Beta 2 so far ...

Anybody know if it is just Flac artwork that is working now or is the key field being displayed in the deck and or other non-working tags working now?

Is it just me or does the strip search work better with 1.7.4?

The latest release seems to be heading in the right direction. They also seem to be really trying to iron out a lot of issues for NS7II owners too.

I'm going to be looking at one soon. I don't regret my NS7FX combo but need more controls.

I would definitely recommend it if the filter knobs didn't wear out after a couple weeks. It is great aside from that and the x-fader that wears out quickly. Numark should acknowledge the problem with the filter knobs and fix them with components that would not wear out in a few weeks.....

I am just thankful I rarely use the thing so the components have not been an issue for me.

The crossfader has problems? I've had mine since 2009 and the fader is still good as new.

He is probably speaking about the NS7II as this is what this thread is about.

What's your prefered set of equipment to use dj Dave?

I'm assuming it's the same cp-pro fader, unless they have changed it.

Definitely my SRT/SP1/CDJ-2000Nexus's for capabilities. Although the SZ combined with the 2000NXS's and SP1 gives me the most control software wise I lose the Pio FX which have become second nature for me.

TT's (1200's or PLX's) with SP1 and Rane 64 for most fun although my AMX/tonetable has been creeping up in this dept. believe it or not LOL.

These are my favored options but just as everyone else the convenience of my controllers have become more what I need. Yeah the SX or SZ are nowhere near as capable as the full rigs.............. yet they are PLENTY capable enough.

Could be. Never had the old model.

Yes, it's the same xfader (cp-pro) on both NS7s.

Awesome. I was thinking about going towards pioneer on my next purchase. if I get another controller I'll wait for an SZ2, because you know if I buy an SZ now it won't be long until a new version of it gets released. I love the SRT mixer, just very expensive.

Better off going with the 900Nexus anyways. MUCH cheaper and you really only lose out on the tempo matched beat FX.

I've tried similar setups, but accumulated latency always seemed to be an issue.

I think it's the same fader. Should only be a problem if you are scratching. If not I probably would not worry. I went through 2 within a few months of use. The filter knobs are the real defect with this unit as they are not user replacable and they estimate 5 weeks repair time and expect you to ship to them. I could not afford the time loss so I am stuck with a filter knobs that dont stop in the middlet. I did replace the fader with an innofader which works great.

If you do end up buying then let Numark know it is unnaceptable for the filter knobs to wear out so quickly when yours do so. They claim this is not an issue but that is clearly bullshit.

Agreed need to get mine done and the eq pots this is the first bit if dj gear in 15years that i have known a knob to loose the centre click. So it is 100% a defect/design fault and should ALL be recalled or at least when they come in for repair replaced with redesigned ones! Total shite!
I'm waiting to send mine to Numark but with how heavey this thing is and the fact i only have a flughtcase so its even heavier to post is going to cost shit loads!!!
And then they will just wear out again.
I'm shocked more people don't complain about this issue.

Ok so just so I understand the issue correctly.

The pot component they are using for the filter knobs are loosing the centre click so you lose the ability to know where dead centre is?

agree with quartz, no problems here with that issue. Basic skills to zero line eq after twisting them. Instead whining, start practicing :)

I've been scratching with this unit since I got it. There reason I stuck with the NS7 platform was because of the 'vinyl like' feel on a controller.

It was only ever meant to be a secondary setup for situations where space and/or stability were issues making it unsuitable for a turntable setup.

If the NS7II is the only controller available to you the sure thing................ do whatever you have to do to make it work. Just seems the easiest way fix an issue is to avoid it altogether.Plainly put there are better options out there. The NS7II is still decent IMO (although I am seeing more & more say otherwise lately) and it actually changed my overall opinion on Numark as a brand (slightly) after many years of being burned by them. That being said there are options out there that are continuing to be what I need and never let me down even throughout the years.

Have you been keeping up with the beta? as of 1.7.4 Beta3 all of my MBP's are running at 1ms with all expansions on and zero dropouts................... even with DVS. Prior to Beta 3 (or beta 2 as I never really tested it with with my 2012 Macs) only two of them were able to do this.

Sure, but the latency I'm referring to is not in Serato, but in the touchscreen, etc... Serato is still just not doing it for me, anyway... It doesn't work that well with the V7s, plus it has all manner of weird issues when running on my system. Like for instance, lately when I load a track, it plays a random piano chord. (?)

I've been having lots of fun with this new VDJ setup I've cobbled together. Two Numark TTXs with a Twitch in between as a mixer. So, now I have four channels running through this two channel controller. I have control over the turntables from both the TTs, and the Twitch. I have all the cue/loop/sample pads I need, and I can set them up any way I like, including the lights/colors.

For instance, if the track is resting on a particular cue, I don't have to look at the GUI to see which one, as that cue pad will light up a different color to let me know. And I have my touchstrip lights moving according to the bars, rather that the revolutions ... so now I can tell at a glace whether a track is cued properly, etc... Also, the VDJ GUI is fully customizable, so of course I have my waveforms moving in the right direction now, along with many more improvements. So yeah... I haven't had much time to play with SDJ recently :)

Touchscreen with Tonetable? When you say you tried similar setups did you try Tonetable or something else?
Sounds like midi signals are getting messed up.

I stopped playing around with VDJ a while ago but I am glad it is working for you.

Your I-pad doesn't have a touchscreen?


Yeah, me too, but I went back out of desperation, and things are different there now. If you are a bit of a nerd, you can get some amazing performance out of VDJ8.

Give me a break buddy. Should I also sell my Technics and buy a belt-drive turntable so that I can improve my skills with a low-torque platter? It seems more like your whining about people whining when I am just giving an honest opinion. If you do not use the filter knobs then you should not really have anything to say about the issue. For myself I do use them and after spending over $2,100 for this unit with the case I expect the filter knobs to work without defect. I do not think that is too much to ask.

This is my exact sentiment. Well said. Very well said.......

Does anyone have word from Numark on this?

They offered to replace the knobs if I were to ship my unit to them which would be very costly to me. They told me it was an estimated 5+ weeks wait time + time in the mail. I asked them and was told that they had not made any changes to the components used or design of the knobs. Therefore I chose not to send my unit in as it makes no sense to replace defective components with new defective components as I would be left with the same problem 2 months later (6 weeks of that time without my unit) and probably $50-100 less money in my pocket from shipping expenses I would have to pay. My warranty has since worn out. When I talked to them on the telephone they told me it was the first time they had heard of the problem, which is quite odd as I was able to find at least 4 other people experiencing the same issue on the Numark, Serato, and White-Label websites at that time. This is definitely a widespread problem and I have the impression that Numark made the decision to ignore the defect as a recall would be too expensive for them to replace the faulty components. I also believe they realise if they were acknowledge the issue then their customers will demand they fix the units with the non-defective components. If they eventually do admit the design flaw or if I hear of the NS7iii not having this problem you can bet I will expect them to fix my unit regardless of the fact that my unit is out of warranty. Until they fix my unit I can not recommend the unit as it has defective components that WILL wear out VERY quickly. I can also not recommend a brand that conducts business in this manner.....

If they fix this problem and show that they do indeed care about their customers then I will recommend the product. Until then and unless that happens I can not recommend the product and or Numark brand.

I guess I better hang onto my NS7FX unit for awhile then.

I definitely recommend the innofader pro though if your Numark fader dies someday. The adjustable cut in/cut out length is great.

From the sounds of it this may be the only controller he has tried. While the NS7II is nice and fun it is by no means the best and there are very real issues. Most usually goes back to the support end though I notice. Pioneer is not perfect and has their flaws but after experiencing the SZ sensitivity issue I can say they own up to their mistakes. They paid for shipping BOTH ways and fixed the issue free of charge. No more need to bring up the past as I am not trying to derail again but the point is if Numark owned up to their issues many of these issues would not be issues.

Word.

This is true...

Believe you me Numark looks at these threads. They just don't reply often. So I think it's wise to point out that the competition has a better customer service record when it comes to problems of this nature.

Agreed. And as far as this support goes........ InMusic reps randomly popping their heads in making excuses does not count s support in my opinion.

In my experience if it will cost them nothing they are actually very quick to respond and help out. The second there is some financial loss on their part (be it shipping or actual parts) the crickets you hear will offer you better service. I have been fortunate enough to not have any real issues with current generation InMusic (Denon, Numark, Akai, etc.) gear but then again this may have to do with the fact I have avoided them until recently.


Again I'd like to remind it's not all negative here. The NS7II once again convinced me Numark has made huge strides in terms of progress. They've got something to be proud of. They just need to be more realistic with their claims "The Best Controller Ever Built" and learn to back thinks up better is all.

You literally have people who love the NS7II begging for support and attention. This is not because they hate you!! It is because they love what you have made and want to continue loving it. I stress that once you have a customer's money you are NOT done. This is the quickest way to a one time buyer. If you would like a RETURN buyer (aka the single MOST sought after relationship in retail) you have business going forward as well as word of mouth which anyone here can tell you is MUCH more influential (in the long run) than any superstar DJ using this or that.

+100!!!

I also agree.

I also agree and I want to like the brand and like I said I would recommend the NS7ii/NS7iii if they were to solve these shortcomings. I want to like it and I would like to continue using their product line if they were to fix the defective components and their customer support issues. Instead I feel I need to switch over to another brand to go along side time code vinyl. And hey Numark, being a guy who spent over $2,100 on your gear when it first came out. I don't need a bachelor of commerce degree (although I do have one) to tell me that you probably would like to keep me as a customer. I could be telling everybody your products are good and you MAKE THINGS RIGHT if there are issues and I would be advertising for free for you. Instead you have your customers upset and annoyed and telling people about the problems with your products and how you do not feel the need to fix defects inherent with the design of your so called "best controller ever made." If your gonna call it the "best controller." then make it the best controller, all you gotta do is fix your faulty filter knobs and treat your customers right. I was once a user of Native Instruments Traktor, but they treated me with absolutely no respect and now I will NEVER use their product and will NEVER recommend their products. Now I have spent $100's on Serato's software and ad-on effects and such. Not everything is perfect with the Serato software, but they do acknowledge the problems and are making an effort to fix them. And on top of it all they treat their customers with respect, which is very important.... It's not too late to lose me as a customer yet Numark but once I switch over and buy a new controller (possibly something to go alongside time-code) I will not be looking back.....

I to had a ns7ii but had the same losing connection problems and the thing going crazy about after a few minutes of mixing. I agree when it works it is the best controller ever and when it don't it's the worst. I'm waiting on the ns7iii. And if I have any problems in the 1st 2 week I'm done with numark forever . I'm giving u another chance numark. If 3 has the same problem as the 2 it will show me u just don't care about us djs who support numark. We are the 1s looking stupid rebooting doing people wedding parties and ect.

Numark u need to step up the ns7 shortcomings and give the people wut they want or u won't be around for long. If not I'm praying poineer makes a moving platter that will put u out business. If poineer had moving platter we know ns7 wouldn't be a issue. Just maybe poineer is paying attention to ns7ii woes. Amen.

I think it is safe to say the NS7III will be built on the same chassis, chipset & VERY similar firmware/function. In short I am not sure how wise it would be to walk into a known burning building.

Yeah ur rite I'm going to wait about 6 months and see wut problems comes up b4 I buy.

Don't hold your breath on Pio making a controller or player with a moving platter. That's just not their M.O. It would have been nice if Denon could have came out with a Serato controller with moving platters based on the SC3900. Now that would have gotten my attention.

i've been using my NS7ii quite happily for a while now... what are the major issues everyone is bangin on about that make you 'regret your purchase'?

bare in mind I don't use the phono ins...

have been treating my filter knobs gentle but can see how the center detent would probably wear out with frequent use (like they did back when I had a DDJSX)

instant start was broken but is now working since the update (and after I adjusted the platter height)

I haven't seen the playhead jumping thing but remember seeing this was a fix in one of the last verions

maintaining smart sync whilt using the motorized platters is still an issue I guess, one that won't be fixed any time soon unless Serato change their sync functionality to be similar to Traktor (ala Craze djing without headphones)

is there a list of the issues that make this controller so terrible? (i've probably missed it somewhere... but would be interesting to know...)

Mostly filter knobs and numarks lack of addressing this issue. Plus the X-fader having to be replaced twice. Mostly the filter knobs with no fix available..... There were many many more in the beginning - controller losing connection and having to restart serato....

Personally I have no real "issues" and just have preferences. The NS7II is by all means not all that bad but compared to my other hardware it just isn't my favorite. To be honest it is one of my least favorite and definitely my least useful. I though the spinning platters would be fun and they certainly are but if I get a real thirst for traditional spinning platters I go straight to my TT's.

In terms of portability I would go with my AMX or SX.
In terms of capabilities combined with portability I choose my SZ.
Overall function/feel & performance 900SRT or 64 with CDJ's.
Traditional feel and fun TT's.

You get the point. I just don't know where my NS7II fits into this but by all means this does NOT make the NS7II a bad controller by any means. As a matter of fact the NS7II restored my faith in Numark as a company (for a bit of time) which has since been squashed by the company itself not the controller though.

I do know however that one of the latest issues to hit the NS7II was a random total audio dropout but even following the known ways to reproduce I myself was not able to.

My V7s are tough as nails. What I hate about them is that the platter is too small for them to be seriously attempting to replicate the feel of DJing with real TTs.

Also, in unaltered form, they won't stop on cue, and will wander off cue when at rest if you have heavy bass or other vibration acting on them.

I suppose as an all-in-one controller, (vs the standalone V7) the tiny platters don't look nearly so out of place on the NS7, but if you are going to have to make that sort of compromise, you're probably better off with the SZ, which works very well, doesn't exhibit the problems I just mentioned, and isn't pretending to be something that it's not.

Actually when you add platters and give a deck the ability to scratch like t/t's it's pretending to be something that it's not. That goes for Pio's decks and controllers as well. They highlight the ability to give performances similar to a turntable wouldn't you agree?

www.youtube.com

Well no, not really. The Pioneer is a controller that can be used to simulate scratching, sure... DJs will always find a way... but that's not their selling point. Unlike the V7/NS7, where the main selling point was/is that you can "scratch with real vinyl" just like a real TT.

My SCS1Ds are sooo much more realistic with their 10" platters. They have other superior features also, and they actually stop on cue and stay there. I had my own custom vinyl cut from real LPs to get an even more realistic feel:

www.flickr.com

Now if they just weren't so completely unreliable... <sigh>

Actually when CDJs came out, that was their main selling point also, that "you can simulate the same thing on our static platters as with a t/t". Hence why they have a vinyl mode button. Numark (and Denon) simply gave us what we were lacking in CDJs and many DJs were begging for (motorized platters for a more realistic feel). But all the DJ companies were putting out decks that were emulating t/t's.

I don't know, Ragman... Other than Stanton and Dennon, that's just not the way I remember it.

And CDJs... I always thought they were such a cheap feeling piece of junk. For CDs, I preferred my Dennon. But there will be plenty of people here who will argue about that, also.

Yeah that was definitely a Jedi Mind Game. lol But it became an industry standard so what I do I know.

Hey... well we can agree on that anyway.

I got an AFX/AMX combo just after launch and one of the FX pots never even had a centre click. Grrrr...

So i have taken mine apart..... Wow what a SHIT design to get main board out (mixer section) you have to totally dismantle the controller take all other boards out ect. What's interesting is the controller is plastic with steal plates screwd to top bottom and sides. Once they are off its loads lighter! Shame they didnt use aluminium for all the platting.

Anyway iv noticed loads dry joints!! Solder don't look of a very good quality! Now to send the board away to have two channel faders replaced and all the pots for tops,mids,high and filter!!!

You happen to have any pictures? Just curious...

Yep when i get chance will upload some.

Thanks! Been wanting to see where they actually cut corners on this piece of hardware.

I started on my friend's 1200s and a 57sl(mk1).

I've kept a close eye on the controllers due to their affordability compared to the real deals - ever since the announcements of the vci300, vci380, vci400, ns6, and ns7.

Then the ddj-sx was announced. When it was announced that serato dj would be "replacing" serato scratch live, I decided to invest in an all-in-one controller.
The ddj-sx was my first unit I ever owned - brand name, fancy lights, portability, four channels, and even effects were built in. It was only a few weeks later that I noticed the touch platter sensitivities wearing down. Eventually, the sensitivity controls had to be maxed out in order to scratch precisely - and even then it had the smallest, noticeable lag compared to dvs (sl1, etc). So i returned the unit - the feeling just isn't there without the torque of a nice turntable!

Since then, there's been so many newly releases controllers - the ns7mk2, ddj-sxmk2, ddj-sz, etc. It's just a matter of time (if not months) until mk3 models are announced.

Recently I've invested in a Rane quality build mixer (rane 61) and pioneer plx1000. And since I was used to the ddj-sx layout, I even bought a ddj-sp1 midi controller (though I'm expecting a ddj-sp2 to be announced soon). That was back in November 2014 and no hardware problems whatsoever since then. Best choice i've made so far. Now I just want to upgrade my mixer to a 62 or 57mk2. Honestly, I don't miss having 4 decks.

Bottom line is controllers will get replaced every year or so. But with a quality build mixer, you'll be set for at least 3 years. Additionally, you can expect the resale value of controllers to drop dramatically (~50-80% msrp) once a newer version is announced - whereas the resale value of mixers remain relatively close to msrp.

IMHO, and as I've been told myself, invest in a good mixer and get some turntables. Want to scratch? Then use turntables? Just was to mix house music? Then stick to virtual dj HAHA...

I would suggest having both modular setups and controllers. When you own the best of both worlds you will see just how little you use the modular over the controllers. I have some of the best gear available yet my most used gear by far is my most inexpensive. I suppose if I were forced to choose I would go the way described above but I am not one to be limited to ANY one thing or things.

I do agree however if you plan to scratch a controller may not be the best choice for you.

...based on what is currently available, I concur.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents here...

I swithced from Technics 1200 to the NS7FX and NEVER regretted it. I then switched from the NS7FX to the NS7II. Still no regrets. I've had the NS7II for over a year now and I haven't had a problem with it yet...

Yep, half an year behind and little issues which was solved by little work:)

Also, the NS7II is probably the most accurate DJ controller that you can buy. From MY experience, the platters respond just like time coded vinyl but, with less issues. If anyone else tells you that the NS7II isn't accurate, there is something fishy going on with their computer.

I tried out the NS7II at the Guitar Center nearby. It wasn't nearly as responsive as my setup at home. The settings on the computer at the Guitar Center weren't right for "real time" response. It seems as if they were pushing the Pioneer controllers. Still, they were amazed at what I could do on on the NS7II even with the crappy under-spec computer that they had it set up on.

There are plenty of NS7II videos on YouTube (including my own) that shows how flawlessly an NS7II can run. Watch the platters closely whenever someone is doing any intense scratching. There is absolutely no Cue slippage at all.

I can play a track to it's end, then manually rewind the platter to the beginning, the platter sticker will still be in the exact same spot as when I first began. That's more accurate than running time-code in relative mode (which I haven't personally done in years now)...

It's been the most buggy bit of dj hear i ever owned! Snd it has had loads bugs hense why you see serato fixing them just like in 1.7.5

The build qulaity is shite pioneers is much better. Numarks fader knobs buttons are crap amd wear out quick compaired to any other gear i have ever used.

But for sure the vinyl spinny playter are fun and i am sure many love thos controller.

Just i wish i never got the damn thing. Lol

Maybe you got a hold to a bad one, LJ_Woolsey. Have you contacted Numark about your issues? I've never had a problem with either of my NS7s.

As far as the NS7 being "buggy" and "shite", explain to me why there is twice as many posts in the "Pioneer Help" section than there is in the "Numark Help" section. While you're at it, why is there so many people complaining about sending their Pioneer units out for repair and not getting them back or hearing anything conclusive for over a month? I have yet to see a complaint about a NS7II being sent back to Numark.

I've heard all kinds of rumors about the NS7s. Like "The platter motors wear out quick", "The buttons/knobs break", "The platters feel like plastic and aren't accurate". All of these comments "usually" come from people who have never owned a NS7 or NS7II. I've owned both and never, let me repeat, NEVER had a problem with the hardware.

Last thing, did you buy yours new? If so, I'm sure that you can get it repaired. Unfortunately, only 90% of things manufactured will be 100% defect free. That being said, MAYBE you bought a bad one...

Easy pioneer says out strip numark by miles.

Also i contact Numark they are useless they know less about there own products than anyone and fob you off. So i deal with serato and have worked with them on some bugs that have only just been fixed.

I have taken the unit apart and used the equipment rubber play/cue buttons was a very bad design as if not pressed dead centre it miss fires being pressed as should have been a hard button. The pots wearing out is shocking. And to get this thing apart just to fix a fader is crazy silly.

Trust me tho i do like this controller mainly how fun it is, it is easily the most fun controller you can use, i guess its perfect for home use but not so practical for taking out in my eyes.

I think once i have the damn thing repaired i will be selling and getting an SX2 and tobe honest i hate the platters on the sx and sx2 but the SZ is abit to big for a controller.

Iv used all pioneer gear and this first time iv gone back to numark since the early millennium and nothing has changed from what i am seeing, i do not see my ever buying anything Numark again. But you can never truly say never.

I guess if Pioneer made a spinning platter it would more suit my needs and what i would expect build quality wise.

Would i reconmend the numark ns7 to anyone ya for sure but ONLY if they buying it for the vinyl feel.

You are aware that Pioneer sold 60% of ALL DJ gear sold worldwide. That means Denon, Numark, Vestax, etc. ALL make up the remainder 40%. Could this explain why there are more posts about Pioneer devices on every DJ forum across the internet?

As an owner of the NS7II as well I can say I wouldn't call it junk. As a matter of fact the NS7II restored (some of) my faith in Numark that they are not in fact still suffering from the same issues I left them for MANY years ago. The NV did not impress me at all but the NS7II did. That being said though I can say with absolute certainty that my Pioneer gear both feels and performs better but for me its the little details.

I think this is a fair assessment as I by no means am trying to insult the NS7II as it is a decent controller in its own right.

As far as Numark support is concerned I am afraid Andy is correct. They are notoriously bad at what they do. They make bold (false) statements getting people to buy their hardware and do not fulfill promises they make. To point out the easiest/latest one they (Numark) flat out promised DVS support for the NS7II in early 2015 www.dropbox.com which does not seem like it will ever happen at this point. Again not the biggest point but the fact remains that they made this claim while already being accused of making false claims............. seems reckless or careless towards their customers IMO.

Pioneer support is not leaps and bounds better but in my experience it has been better. The DDJ-SZ had an issue on a very large scale and they not only owned up to it but fixed EVERY unit on their dime and paid for shipping both ways..................... THIS imo is great service.

TLDR - Numark NS7II is decent while Pioneer (SX, SZ, etc.) are just better IMO.

I got mine (NS7II) for the spinning platter fun of TT's but in the end I am getting more of that joy from TT's LOL so it has not seen much action at all.

Let's not forget that Pioneer is the "club" standard. This may be why Pioneer gets more sales. Just like some families will buy only Ford products, while I'll stick to whatever I like.

Still, Numark is breaking ground and is now very often compared to Pioneer just like here in this thread. Seems like the Pioneer vs Numark debate will always be there (just like Turntable vs Controller) and it also seems like it boils down to preference.

I started out on turntables at a VERY young age. I've always stuck to spinning platters even on CDJs (Denon DN-S3700) and quite honestly, I don't think that I would ever switch to a static controlled deck. I simply don't feel like the static controller gives me full "hands on" control over the mix. I must admit that the Pioneer products are VERY impressive but, they're just not my preference.

For those who don't know, yes, it's true that Numark switched over from the rubberized knobs to the plastic knobs. This is necessary for the touch capacitive controls to work. For someone who doesn't use this feature or just doesn't like the feel of plastic, you can always use different knobs on your controller...

More problems = more "Help" posts.
Less problems = less "Help" posts.

If any of these machines were flawless, I doubt that there would be any Help posts about them.

Let's say there are 50% of issues with Numark who sold 500 units. That is 250 help posts.

Now let's say 20% of Pioneer units have issues who sold 2,500 units. That is 500 help requests.

If you follow this means MORE help requests for Pioneer with a lower rate of failure. It makes total and complete sense that there would be more help request posts for Pioneer for the same reason there are FAR more posts in general on Pioneer hardware.

I am by no means trying to convince you what you have is junk. I am actually not even speaking in terms of Pioneer or Numark specifically anymore. It just makes sense that there would be more posts for Pioneer both positive and negative period.

If 500 people all had the same or similar posts, there would be few posts because they all would have the same issue. Pioneer has more posts because there are more issues. The numbers you mentioned don't make much of a point here.

Still, the original question here is not about Pioneer. It was about NS7II owners having regrets. I have none...

Just checking in here to read up. I am considering getting a NS7 II.
I already have a DDJSX and the SZ is kinda too big ( wide) for practical purposes of taking to Bars and the likes.

Staying with the SX and if I need the vinyl feel I will go with my Stanton and 62.

I will just buy an SP1

The NS7 is not a piece of junk. But, if you already have an SX and it's getting the job done, I'd just keep my money in my pocket. In only another six months to a year, you know someone's going to come out with something a lot better, and then you'll be stuck with trying to sell the thing (that you really didn't need), so you can buy that next whizzbang controller.

Well seems like the two major players out there are Numark and Pioneer. Numark already announced the NS7-/// and it looks like the NS7-// with screens. I have looked at the images and they look alike in every way. I don't know if there are internal differences in terms of hardware.
I don't feel a need for the screens except it can show Videos (for Mix Emergency or Serato Video)

I don't see Pioneer doing the motorized platter, they might add screens like Numark did. Thats why i was thinking of the NS7-// rather than wait for the ///. Plus its 500 euros cheaper.

I have my SX which is a great controller, i miss that vinyl touch.

The Numark NS7III is due out any time now. Yes, Numark says that it's the same controller with added on screens. The screens will come with the controller for free when it becomes available.

Those of us with the NS7II will be able to purchase the screens and add them to our controller. It wouldn't surprise me if Numark went ahead and added the DVS function to the NS7III. It was supposed to be available for the NS7II some time ago...

Watchwww.youtube.com

I'm pretty sure the screens will fit on the II also. Which to my knowledge is the same as the III otherwise. This should be available as a kit before too long IMO.

Screens are the coming thing, and before long all the better controllers controllers will have them, although this is still very crude and rudimentary feedback, and is certain to improve further over time.

There are are other strong contenders out there waiting for the dust to settle, who I'm sure will introduce other major improvements before too long.

You can do just about anything with the NS7 that you can do with TTs, and some other amazing things that you can't with real vinyl. But as far as it having "real" vinyl feel... nah, no way. The "records" just feel like tiny toys when compared to a real 12" pressing.

Can you slow the record by pinching the spindle? or nudge by using the platter edge?

I still don't understand why people continue to say that the NS7's turntables don't feel "real" when they are actually "real" turntables. I had been DJing with Technics 1200s since the 80's. I switched to the NS7 because it was more portable with a ton of capabilities.

The only difference in the "feel" is that the platters are smaller and closer together than a traditional "2 turntables and a mixer" setup. Once you get used to the size, it's just like riding a different bicycle.

DJ Marv The Maverick, yes you can do those things. The spindle is actually attached directly to the 45 "vinyl record" via the spindle adapter. So, depending on how tight you have your resistance set, you can definitely pinch the spindle to slow it down and you can also slow it by slightly touching the vinyl or touching the platter itself. Yes, you can also nudge the platters.

The NS7 does "everything" that turntables can do plus tons of other things...

You can work with the platter edge, but there's not much point. It being so much smaller, doesn't really react exactly the same as a real 12" table, plus it's more accurate and easier just to use the pitch bend.

On the other hand, If you pinch the spindle it will stop the record, because it is actually attached to it.

I'm curious...

How many of you guys, responding to this post, actually own a NS7???

If you're talking to me, I bought V7s when they first came out.

My friend had/has an NS7, but I didn't like the idea of the all-in-one format. Plus, I like my own mixer much better.

They're still my weapon of choice after all this time. Not because I'm so impressed with them, mind you. But because they are dead reliable, and sadly there's really nothing better out there to choose from at at the moment.

I own the NS7 and V7s and from a tactile standpoint they are spot on for those wanting a controller that has t/t capabilities minus the hassle of needles. And the torque is what sells it for me.

For outright "feel" I much prefer my Stanton controllers. Not only is the ten inch record/platter so much more realistic, but unlike the Numark controllers they also stop on a dime and hold their position. They are ahead of the V7s in almost every way, but unfortunately they are also totally unreliable.

I can't help thinking that now that Gibson owns Stanton, there's a chance that they may be working on a quality sequel to these controllers. That's something I'd like to see.

The filter centre groove never wore out for you?

Not yet. I had a problem with the number 2 fader. Repaired it myself. It was just a bad solder joint (as I suspected). The only other issues I've had are in the software. Been experiencing problems since 1.7.4. Haven't had a chance to report them yet. So far, 1.7.6 puts less strain on the CPU when compared to 1.7.5...

It's things like that bad solder joint that could make a huge difference for somebody who has no experience with electronics or who do not want to risk voiding their warranty. To be expected to pay shipping costs and wait 6 weeks without the unit is definitely something that would make me not recommend this product to others. Serato seem to be making the controller operate better these days and have solved quite a few software issues with the controller. I'm disappointed that numark do not have a fix for the filter knobs and that they refuse to acknowledge the issue. If they were to acknowledge this defect and fix it I would feel better about the company. Also the noise on the phono input is not cool, that means you can not play records through the thing without an external pre-amp. That is problematic. I like the controller and would love to love it, unfortunately I can not recommend it unless none of these defects would bother you and you want a controller with moving platters (as moving platters are awesome).

I'm not having any problems with the filter knobs. And

"Cold" solder joints are common in electronics. It's just part of the "manufacturing" process.
I could tell by the behavior that this is what the problem was. It's a very minor issue and very easily corrected. It took a total of 15 minutes to open the NS7, reflow the solder, then close the NS7.



Apparently, this is not an issue for "everyone". All of my pots are fine. I don't personally know anyone else with this problem though, I've heard mention of it on this forum.



I haven't experienced this problem either...

Maybe you got a hold to a bad one. Just because you bought it brand new doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to not have flaws. That's why there's a warranty. Personally, I believe that there will be any major problems with my unit. I prefer to fix things myself because I don't have time to wait for shipping. I personally don't care for or need a warranty unless there's a problem within' the first few months.

On another note, I know how frustrating it can be to have all of those issue for something that is just about a year old. I hope that you can get it all resolved...

Personally, I 'don't' believe that there will be any major problems with my unit. I prefer to fix things myself because I don't have time to wait for shipping

Any you guys still getting pop sounds and loss of audio output? More info in this thread --> serato.com

Still no regrets with ns7 mk2, 2 days, 2 venues, 6h playing on each and 0 problem, it performed like it allways does, i'm happy :)

Sounds good what laptop specs and operating system you using?

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15
Intel Core i7 2,2 GHz
256Gt flash drive
16 Gt 1600MHZ DDR3L
1tb external drive (usb 3)

With newest OS

Strange same as everyone else with the issue then. Wonder why it works fine for you. Starting to look like a manufacturing default on Numarks part....

Only thing i had to do was to disable pitch n time. That plug is just my worst nightmare, but now without it i'm good :)

Ya well I haven't tried with pnt off as its just to good of a keylock to not use. But i see alot if other users tried with it off and still got the issue. I will do some testing when ever mine comes back from repair and try the turning software gain down in sdj. If i still get the issue its going up for sale.

I have autogain at 89 in serato and software output at 50% cauze of my amx but i still can hit white withm my ns7 main volume when i hit the knob to 100%. But so far so good :) i love pitch n time also but it's so vunerable and eats lots of resources, without it i can use 1ms latency but with it i have to drop latency to 5ms and no scratching. I personally don't need pitch n time cauze my mixing goes for +/- 5% pitching so it dosen't bother, keylock is still better than no keylock :)

My only major issue is with the filter knobs. They get loose to the point where it will often be off when I think I set it right. I always take extra time and focus but they (1 & 2) are super loose now. 3 & 4 are perfect because I never use them. I keep the Filter FX link on at all times now so I can at least have a visual of the filer knob not being at center either looking at the effect 1 knob indicator lights or the FX tab inside SDJ.

Sometimes the platter decides to start at half speed or so and I just give it a little nudge and it's back to full speed so that's not a MAJOR issue.

The playhead skipping issue was fixed with the "Disable Needle Strip Search" feature, so that is obviously a hardware issue. I'm assuming the material used for the strip is cheap and gets warped after a while in different temperature environments.

I get some random audio pops here and there very rarely but they aren't that loud or really intrusive. It throws me off but I honestly don't think the crowd ever notices them.

I wish the master meter would match up with the SDJ master meter. Sometimes the venue requires me to send my master at about 8-10 o'clock and I don't get anything showing or only a few lights on the master meter. Maybe there is something I can do in the settings to help with this, but I haven't figured it out yet. Often times I won't know that I'm clipping while in the middle of transitioning and then the limiter indicator keeps flashing at me. I like to keep my eyes more on the controller and glance at the screen here and there so often times I miss the limiter indicator. At 12 o'clock the master indicator is always at full so I really don't understand why it can even go past that point even. I've never been in a situation with my NS7II where I was able to go past 12 o'clock on the master without major clipping.

This is my second NS7II. The first one I bought was defective. Pad 2 on the left deck would get stuck and randomly fire. I took it back to Guitar Center within the 60 days I think they give you and they switched it out for me no problem. That first unit started to have the filter knobs wear out and get loose, it was nice having those new filter knobs on the second unit. But now they are super loose and I'm not happy about it but I just make sure to be extra careful.

There are honestly too many pros for me to list. I love this controller. But I will say that the one major feature (besides the spinning platters) that made me decide on the NS7II besides the DDJSZ is post fader effects. I absolutely hate playing on the SZ because of it not having post fader effects. I had them on my old DJM800 so I expect to have them on the SZ. That was a deal breaker for me, among a few other smaller lacking features.

Yes, I would and often do recommend the NS7II if you are someone like myself coming from vinyl into the controller world.

Of lower quality electronics. High end and reputable companies will not allow products with faulty joints to pass. This is not a problem that is inherent in the manufacturing process but a bi-product of cost-cutting practices. I think this is unacceptable for a product with a price tag this high.

Point taken, but compared to some other high priced products, the quality is fantastic. My Stantons retailed for $1,500 each, and their materials and workmanship is some of the worst I've ever seen. Working on them constantly really makes you appreciate something put together as well as the Numark.

They were really that much? I had no idea. When I saw those pics you uploaded I would have guessed they were in line with Denon players in terms of pricing if not less. Damn!!!

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Engineering and design of these is much better than the Dennons. The problem is with the manufacturer in China.

In all fairness Hollywood DJ also has the DDJ-SZ Regular Price listed as $2399.99 LMAO

I paid $1,650 out the door the day of release. The Regular Prices on websites generally reflect a price nobody in the world would pay, not actual retail price, no?

Street Price was seemingly $699 each and was called "overpriced" at that apparently.
www.digitaldjtips.com

Yes, obviously.

As I said originally, the retail price is $1,500. I have about $2,000 total invested in the four that I have. I guess I bought mine about five years ago.

This is not true!
I've been in the electronics field since high school. I've seen cold solder joints in MOST of the products that I've worked on over the years. It's something that's very hard to avoid and very hard to detect in the beginning because it's something that happens over time.

Cold solder joints has nothing to do with the quality of the item's build. It's been said that it's due to the impurities in the solder itself. I've personally bought high end electronics for next to nothing because they didn't work or were malfunctioning. Most times, it was just a cold solder joint on the power board. No parts were purchased for the repair just like the repair on my Ns7II.

Same in auto electrical. People come to me with mysterious electrical problems. over 80% of the time, it's a bad ground wire. I find the issue, reground the wire, they never have the same problem again. See where this is going?

@ Detroit's DJ Skillz!!!, your thought process is severely flawed. You should reread deejdave explanations as to why pioneer would receive more complaints while having a lower failure rate.

@ Detroit's DJ Skillz!!!, your thought process is severely flawed. You should reread deejdave explanations as to why pioneer would receive more complaints while having a lower failure rate.

Apparently, having a "flawed thought process" works for me. 4.0 GPA is proof of that. I think outside the box. Maybe you should try it...

On another note, the original post here is from 2013. I've already added my two cents and you guys can take it or leave it. We're all grown ups here, right?

This will be my last post because this thing is old and it has gone way off of the subject. I will stop tracking this discussion in 3...2...1...

You alleging a 4.0 GPA would only prove that higher education has failed you. This is fourth-grade problem-solving skills were talking about here sir :)

Yawning.

My filter knobs on channel 1 and 2 are having an issue. I wonder if they use different pots on the NS7iii

That's what happens to everyone's filter knobs. I've become pretty good at babying them to sit at center after each time I move them. Reminds me of having to baby my first set of turntables the Numark Pro TT-1s to stay on beat. It's a small price to pay for a controller with such dope features. I really want to know how they are on the NS7-III after heavy use for a few months. Hopefully someone will let us know whenever they get it.

I bet they are the same. "THERE IS NO PROBLEM"..... according to Numark.

Reading the issues that plague the NS7II, and Numark's response to them, solidifies the fact that I will NEVER purchase another one of their products. Well, at least the ones over $200 anyway. I'll tell ya', this "Best DJ Controller Ever Built" has to be the biggest joke ever.

Numark should be ashamed of themselves.

Great product, have no issues at all, knobs withour center click is nothing :) Only little minus on my list, everything else is top notch :)

To be fair this was alreaday known information LOL. You are correct though. The Product is ore or less an "in the eyes of the beholder" basis. It pretty much has to do with what you do and what you are comparing it to.


The support on the other hand is also very widely known as The Worst Service Ever Offered

From denying issues, to making false promises, to flat out lying to current customers. Even bold claims such as "The Best Controller Ever Built" which is misleading at best lead to a sense of distrust not found elsewhere. Pioneer is often accused of caring about nothing but the buck. I can say in my experience with the Pioneer gear I own (which not to brag is a sizable enough amount to make a fair assessment IMO) that they listen to their users and also test the products prior to release in an actual demanding atmosphere such as the one/s it will be used in. The ONE time they did not come through with this promise on their end (with the DDJ-SZ/platter issue) it was taken care of in a timely fashion (as far as the repair goes) and with absolutely NO charge or even BS issues to me the end user. In all my years with Numark I have never heard of such an undertaking from Numark nor do I think they would survive one financially speaking if they were to take the high road and admit there was a problem in the first place................. which is again not their style.


Very interesting to see/hear the overall feedback on the NS7II s a whole though as I personally though it was a decent controller. It seems as though the simple fact that I rarely use it is directly benefiting its overall condition as most issues seem to be time/use related other than things that can be attributed to user preferences/hardware limitations.

IMO, the NS7 despite it's minor flaws was "the best controller ever built" when it was introduced. Now, the SZ challenges that position in a major way, but out of all the other offerings, I still prefer my V7s overall.

Numark will not take care of their customers in a way that I find satisfactory, nor will they admit to any of their mistakes. However, there is not a lot profit to be made in manufacturing equipment for this niche market, and that also needs to be taken into consideration. The NS7/V7 platform is very versatile, capable, as well as reliable and robust where it counts ...and well worth the price if you are a serious DJ.

Hey...

I took a break from this particular thread because I was trying to track down some problems with the NS7II. I really wasn't planning on mentioning anything about pdidy's last ignorant post about me but, I changed my mind...

PDIDY.... I have NO IDEA why you would try to insult MY logic and reasoning when the person that I directed my comment at didn't even respond to it. That's just plain childish! Me responding to your ignorance is also childish but, in any debate, the debated always gets a chance to answer up....

For the rest of you DJs out there, I'm not having any problems at all with my NS7II. The only hardware issue that I had was the cold solder joint on fader #2 which I repaired myself. I found that the other issues were in my MBP. I'm now running 10.10.4 & 1.7.6 flawlessly with my NS7II.

Here's a link to that thread
serato.com

I was not insulting you, I was simply acknowledging the educational system which has clearly failed you. You would have actually been better off letting this go rather shinning a light on your ignorance. But seriously, If you re-read what I asked it may help you understand it.

btw, debate or disagreeing does not fall under the broad umbrella of "childish", this is a discussion forum so THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE....but i see you have some comprehension issues so I'll try and be nice.....lol

You're just an asshole. Admit it. We'll wait! Lol!

I said i will be nice so i wont do the name calling (which nobody wants to hear) but i am open to intelligent debate.

Oh wow! My bad! Maybe you really are intelligent! My apologies. Maybe we can debate on another day/subject....

To clear any of this up there is a very clear reason why I discontinued that conversation. An understanding of statistics and percentages was required to continue and this was clearly missing thus there was no point in continuing.

Hope that clears that up so this can get back to the NS7II without breaking any further forum rules.

Great point deejdave!
I agree with you 100%.

I really agree with your statement. To take it a step further if you're not needing 4 channels, in my opinion going with the NS7 and Pio SP1 is a better solution that's easy on the budget. As far as the V7s, mine are still top notch and I still use them in the lab. By the way have you noticed Numark is selling (more like liquidating) the NS7FX new for $499 at major retailers.

Lastly, speaking on Numark's customer service. I don't think they're customer support will ever get any better as that would probably take an overhaul at the top and even then the company's culture would take awhile to assimilate that mentality. A cultural shift like that takes a long time to adopt.

I would like to remind everybody that you can not play vinyl records through the ns7ii because of the noise created by its uber low quality pre-amp. Only buy this if you want to simulate vinyl and you do not want to reproduce the sound physically contained on the vinyl disk.

Not an issue if you use the Numark TTX. They have their own preamps built in. For other TTs there are low cost usb preamps available. If I wanted one, I wouldn't let that stop me, but thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention.

Regular vinyl plays just nice trough ns7 ii, tested, worked.

Lol

Well clearly one of you is wrong.

No... I hadn't noticed.

That's a whole lot of horsepower for the dollar! Almost make me want to run out and buy one just because it's such a bargain...

Where did you find them at that price? I looked, and the cheapest thing I found was $800 without the FX add-on.

I saw them on zZounds and AMS and posted that on July 28. It appears they are liquidated and no longer available. :-(

Well if that be the case, any other major chain holding them in stock, would probably take that offer.

NS7 & V7's can both be found for super cheap. Also I have tested my PLX-1000's with the NS7II and there were no sound issues with regular vinyl. I don't have to ground them with any of my mixer's though. I actually never tried the Tech's with it though.

If you find something (new), let me know please. I have a friend who's in the market for just that.

Last time they were in stock it was local though. Online I just haven't been checking. I will keep you in mind the next time I stumble into one though.

Appreciate that.

This is the cheapest I've seen it to date from a reputable retailer: www.bhphotovideo.com

Looks like it used or B Stock though.

Yeah... looks like we're late to the party.

Lots of others experienced the same hiss as I in other threads. Did you turn up the volume? It would be the most noticable on a large system.

No hiss, no pops, no audio loss, nothing wrong :)

RCA cables can give plenty of trouble on their own. No problem getting a phantom hum or hiss from them alone. Also... makes me wonder if some of you aren't getting a good ground back to your tables?

In his defense I do certainly remember the thread where there were quite a few others with the same issue. USB cables, surge protectors, RCA cables, ground wires even ground loop isolators were brought up with no light in sight. Again nothing I have experienced myself but he was certainly NOT alone on this. It was even brought to Numarks attention. Numark then said they have not heard of this nor could they duplicate it which is pretty much proof in itself that they HAVE in fact heard of it and it is rather common. This is standard behavior in attempt to ensure no recalls or bad press can come of any given situation.

LOL... unfortunately.

Well, I don't have one here to experiment with so my opinion would be nothing more than a guess. However, if I were having that issue, I wouldn't let it slow me down any. I'd just get a good preamp and keep rolling.

Pretty much YUP. The music must keep playing!!

You must have some kind of special ns7ii and sdj software lol

Nope :D Only used plenty of time adjusting things and results are great :)

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to chime in here and help out the NS7II (III) users regarding their hiss, pop, and crackling issue. As with any USB audio interface, there are many potential causes of symptoms like distortion, artifacts (clicks/pops/crackling), and latency. We've created a guide which provides some helpful tips to troubleshoot the issue.

Troubleshooting USB Audio Artifacts or Latency - www.numark.com.

Now for users who are experiencing loss of audio, we’ve seen a few reports of users experiencing audio dropouts and hardware disconnect issues in Serato DJ when using any interface with DVS or a controller with motorized platters (such as the Numark NS7 series). If you’re experiencing audio or connection drops when using Serato with DVS or motorized platters, we’ve put together a guide that should help you diagnose and fix your problem.

Troubleshooting Serato & Audio Issues When Using DVS Or A Controller With Motorized Platters - www.numark.com.

For future support regarding your Numark hardware or hardware related questions, feel free to post on our Numark forum community.numark.com.

Thanks!

Hi, I have a ns7 ii for about 3 weeks now and everything is great except for some reason my headphone cueing is not working in serato. I installed vdj 8 and changed headphones setting to my computers sound card and when i used that the headphone cue buttons above the line faders and the blend knob works perfectly. What could be causing it not to work in serato 1.8 then?

Hello MtFresh,

You shouldn't be changing or adjusting your Headphone Settings on your computer when your NS7II is connected to it. For proper headphone cueing with the NS7II, always use your NS7II hardware controls.

There's a user who posted a similar topic on the Numark forum - community.numark.com. This is more of a hardware related question so in the future, regarding Numark hardware related questions, feel free to post on our Numark forum community.numark.com to help you out.

Thanks!

Hi all,

For those of you in this thread who have reported an issue where when scratching there would be a "pop" then complete loss of audio, this issue has been fixed in Serato DJ 1.8.

If you are having this issue, then please try updating -> serato.com

Cheers,
Michael.

Yes I'm the same guy who posted the thread on numark...lol. What I'm saying is the ns7 ii cueing function doesn't work on hardware when using serato but when i install vdj 8 and change headphones to my computers sound caRD THE HEADPHONE CUE BUTTON AND THE BLEND DIAL all work properly...so what would be the reasoning behind this?

@MtFresh
Numark just told you it was a hardware related issue. Serato is the software vendor. So you need to go to Numark's site and get this sorted.

>>> community.numark.com