Words

The topic is an oxymoron

maybe a few pictures?

I like to do drawrings.

Color?

How about a bookmark!

The whole thing should be only lyrics:

"Kill or be killed"
-Do or Die

"Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk. Phony n!gg@$ are outlined in chalk"
-WuTang Clan

"Get up, get out, and get something"
-Outkast

I'm in

Industry rule number four thousand and eighty
Record company people are shady
So kids watch your back cause I think they smoke crack
I don't doubt it. Look at how they act
-Tribe Called Quest

Interesting. Care to elaborate?

DJs are always trying to get away with stealing/playing others songs, beats, samples. It is the true nature of djing. Don't get more unethical than that. Pretty oxymoronical.

Right, I hear what you're saying and I think that the stealing part does create an issue when talking about ethics. But as you've said, the very nature of the job is to play other peoples music (legally), it's not unethical to do that is it? Or is it? Would you be so bold to say that the occupation as a whole is unethical?

No, the Occupation itself is as LEGAL and ENTERTAINING as it gets.

The problem is that MOST DJ's don't understand the literal legality of what they're doing.

In short, unless you're on a radio station that has their playlist scanned by ASCAP, or in a place that has some type of setup to pay licensing fees for "Public Performance" of EVERY song that you choose to play, you're "Literally" breaking the law because you don't have permission to play said song for "Public Performance".

Most songs that you receive on some type of media (vinyl, CD, cassette, etc) have a stipulation that it's not intended for "Public Performance" without permission.

Does anybody REALLY enforce that in the US? Not too much.
Do record companies and artists give a blind eye? Sure.

So, the assumed nature is that you can play songs for Public Performance with no penalty.

That is incorrect.

Same with selling for GIVING away CD's.

Don't get me started on "Remixes".

Ethics = Legal ?

In reference to context of the question?

Yes.

Be creative. Don't ever bite another DJ's mixes. Find your own.

And it goes without saying that biting a whole routine is the ultimate sin - as the so called Grandmaster Jay has discovered.

You mean like this...



'Just don't break the law everything else is kosher'

LMAO

Figures in the context of today's hot threads, that's for sure.... :)

nm

No, like this - >

Which brings us right back to the same damn question. Are we talking about "ethics" in terms of the larger society - as in "legal". or are we talking about "ethics" according to 'the DJ culture'?

Two different things. I thought we were talking about "DJ Ethics" - not legality.
(Some DJs have no ethics, so figures :)

Nm

Which was why I wanted and elaboration. I was interested as to why his interpretation of ethics was an oxymoron for the occupation.

Well SHE SAID -

So if you want to discuss why we're on a tangent of Legality vs. Ethics, ask the OP.

I think he meant more along the lines of ethics between DJ's and how they treat each other. For example, you don't go behind another DJ's back and undercut them to snake their gig.
You don't burn through all the bangers during the opening set, etc.

Yes that was my intent.


However the very mention of ethics was considered to be an oxymoron, to which stealing was brought up as a reason for why ethics are impossible for the occupation.



Hence lies the debate over ethics and legality.



Here I was asking, since the nature of the job is to play other peoples music and if that is done without any stealing of material i.e, legally, can you still say that ethics and the DJ occupation are still an oxymoron? Because DJs will always play other peoples music, are you considering that very action as unethical?

I don't think that this is a debate of legality vs. ethics, but if you interpret the work of the occupation as illegal practice to begin with, then the question will lead to the legality vs. ethics debate.

Don't worry about that dude - his avatar tricks his brain into yapping about random nonsense. As long as he keeps his bathrobe and slippers on, just set him over in the corner.

Here's a couple

- Don't take other DJs mixes and pass them off as your own, don't even play them. Legal, but certainly not ethical.

- Don't steal a known DJs name or try to pick one which will cause confusion.

I agree wholeheartedly AKIEM, but after listening to DMC's defence of it's competition and so many people defending DMC for allowing so much pre production in routines and reading a few thousand posts on Serato over the years, I don't think a lot of people care about ethics anymore.

Not that they did back in the day either to be honest, as I heard a lot of biting from lesser DJ's of established DJ's mixes and i've even had someone try to copy most of one of mine on the same radio station I played on. I have no respect for any DJ that does that, no matter how technical they are in other areas.

Agreed. I think the difference between now and back then is dudes never really got a free pass the way they do now. There arnt really any ethics anymore because its anything (legal) goes nowadays - we even have fools applauding this FakeMaster Jay guy.

Same thing for sampling and production ethics, every code we established has been broken and dummies cheer. But, that's what happens when you amplify a culture through the media loop - ignorance attaches.

Hip Hop (and DJ culture in general) set up our own rules and codes of ethics regardless of legality - but the machine doesn't care about that shit one cent. That along with these old dusty ego dudes who take pleasure in their own ignorance as well - and you have a broken a culture.

Only way to bring it back if possible is keep trying to establish the codes - quit handing out free passes to these fools.

Good thread.

Yeah, don't worry about that dude, just keep sharp objects away from him. He has a license to carry.

What's crazy is that fools don't even recognize when they're being baited and played into promoting obviously stupid acts into the spotlight. A killer most times WANTS to be in the spotlight and live in infamy, just like these idiots. And what do the masses do? Abide by their whims.

so your saying if a bride call a few djs up in her town and asks for quotes for a dj. One dj is $1500 another is $1200 the last guy is $1000

so under ethics the 2 guys charging less is undercutting the first guy and the last guy is undercutting the first and second guy.

so the last guy shouldn't do the job cause he is cheaper than the first 2

"im sorry future bride to be. I cant be the dj at your wedding ceremony because I undercut 2 other djs. Its not you its my ethics."

Not at all. That's just the market.

But say we have a club where DJs have been getting $400 a weekend night for years and they worked hard to establish that rate, then you come in trying to get that gig offering to do it for $100 - that would be unethical in any business really.

Pay to play has even become prevalent in some places... Some BS.

i think they are talking more along the lines of purposely undercutting another dj. there is a difference between being competitive in the market and just flat out undercutting someone just for the 5mins of fame.

Yup

ANYBODY can be undercut, just like ANYBODY can get knocked the fugg out...

What cats don't realize is what causes the conditions for said undercutting.

Is it that technology has advanced to such a point that it "seemingly" makes your job easier to do?

Have you adjusted yourself to the market and supply in such a way that you stay "competitive"?

Have you ramped up your advertising to compete and show why you offer a better product?

Has your audience as a whole changed their expectations of what to expect in your services, or those who give services "similar" to yours?

Has the game changed around you, and you not changed accordingly?

There have ALWAYS been undercutters, but you have to ask yourself, if you can CONSISTANTLY be undercut, then something has changed, and you haven't.

blah, blah, blah...

not always true, especially in the mobile world.

Undercutting is unethical. It's knowing the going rate and charging much less to get the gig. Sure it's always existed but now its out of control because the bar (ability to get sound out the speaker) has been brought so low that new dudes arnt educated (or are just unethical from jump). Other industries have unions to deal with this 'market' situation - we don't. It is what it is.

How is that not always true.

Yes it is. You haven't adjusted for those changes.

Now those changes may be OUT of your control and you may not like them, but they're there.

yeah, you're right, i read the statement the wrong way...

i thought you were implying that there was something wrong with the dj being undercut...lol...my fault

i was thinking more along the lines of this:

smh @ new dudes aren't "educated". Actually they are...

This ^^^ is an example of how you haven't adjusted with the times.

The startup and maintenance price of becoming a DJ back in the day was ASTRONOMICAL compared to today.

That is a fact.

If "DJ'ing was "Invented" today, and you had to start from scratch, how much would it actually cost you?

Back in the day to be mobile you needed

2 -1200's or turntables - say - 450 apiece - 900.00
1 - Mixer - say 200.00
1 - Amp - say 200.00
2 - Speakers - say 500.00
2 - Crates of records 150 x 5.00 a record - 750.00

So just on startup, you'd need about 2550.00 out the gate to do your first "Real" gig.

AND to consistently update your music @ say 100.00 a month minimum - 5 records a week.

Whereas now, all you need to start out for mobile is

1 - Laptop - 400.00
2 - Powered Speakers - 200.00 (Gemini)

600.00 bucks total, assuming they aren't just rocking an iPod.

That's it.

What incentive does the NEW DJ have to live by the previous struggles that the DJ before them endured?

How could they JUSTIFY charging someone the same PROFESSIONAL PRICES that DJ's that have "Invested" in the game do?

What you have to look at is WHO is willing to hire that DJ that is just "Starting Out".

It is no longer cost prohibitive to start a DJ career anymore...

Now assuming they WANT to upgrade their equipment and get turntables, or a controller, etc...that's all good...

But the market apparently has a "Need" for the "Cheap" DJ, and you have to adjust to that accordingly.

New DJs are inexperienced therefore, are uneducated, therefore don't know the rules.

All the rest of that jazz is whatever...

Rules?

LMAO! @ Rules in an unlicensed field....

Inexperience does not equal Uneducated.

not true:

ex·pe·ri·ence

Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill: a lesson taught by experience; a carpenter with experience in roof repair.
b. The knowledge or skill so derived.

If they're SMART ENOUGH to recognize the marketplace and it's loopholes, and exploit it to get where they can get their foot in the door, and get gigs, that is far from 'Uneducated".

You're acting like Education = Ethics.

Or good morals or some *ish...

hence the : *accumulation of knowledge* part.

so if a person remains inexperienced, they arent accumulating knowledge... which leaves them in an uneducated state. pertaining to that field

What you all would HOPE is that INEXPERIENCE = the marketplace NOT having a place for them....

That's HARDLY the case...

Check Craigslist.

You're assuming the "Inexperienced" DJ isn't Educated.

Apparently he's educated enough to get the gig....

What you'd HOPE is that the person doing the HIRING is "Educated" enough to recognize an "Inexperienced" DJ.

Exactly what the fuck I am talking about - this dude don't and never knew the rules.

Call it church or call it proof.

This is where the dj that is being UNDERCUT by an "Uneducated/Inexperienced" DJ, has to step up their game to EDUCATE the masses as to what would happen IF they DID hire the "Uneducated/Inexperienced" DJ.

Lightskinned, PLEAZE...

This ain't about me, and you KNOW I know the rules....but how do YOU force those supposed "Rules" on a new jack?

They have no "Incentive" to learn the "Old School" rules, and follow them.

The game done changed, and so have the "Rules"...

There are none.

LMAO

We now live in a "Gratification Now" climate...

If you can't provide the service "Now" at a certain price, someone else will...

not true... there are people who could care less about experience, they just dont want to spend more than $50 on a dj.

ive educated people on the difference between spending $500 on me or going to craigslist and spending $100 on a fisher price dj... they still dont give a damn. they go with the fisher price dj anyway....lol.

Just to "Educate" you...

There used to be a cost prohibitive barrier that stopped those who weren't serious about DJ'ing from infiltrating the environment.

That no longer exists.

Which is EXACTLY MY POINT....

In the case of you "Educating" them about the benefits of hiring you vs. the Craigslist DJ, your Benefits DIDN'T outweigh what they wanted to spend...

You just didn't convince them.

And YOU as a DJ should be OK with that, as they obviously didn't want to spend money on your "Professional" services.

Ok, let's put it out there...

What "RULE" does a New Jack DJ have to follow, or else it would end their supposed "career"?

This dude has NO DJ ethics at all, never has.


Nm

LMAO @ you having nothing else intelligent to add....

Answer the question Al B. -

SHM @ the "crickets"...

Ok, I'll make it even easier for you...

What exactly do the "NEW" DJ's need to be "Educated" about to become a DJ or else fail?

Ok, class, I'll answer the question...

The NEW DJ's only need to be "Educated" about Marketing and Promotion when getting into the DJ game.

That's it.

Oh, skills you say?

Being able to beatmatch?

The ability to carry a crate of vinyl up a flight of steps?

Really?

In today's climate?

We would WANT them to be educated in knowing how to mix, not to undercut, be humble, be professional, and uphold those rules that pertained to the trials and tribulations of DJ's of yesteryear...etc..etc...

But the truth is that NOT knowing any of that stuff will NOT stop them from being a "DJ".

And getting hired...

To be a "Professional DJ" is a different story.

Back in the day:

Solid:
1200's + Mixer + Amp + Speakers + Crates of records + new music =
2550 + 100 a month for new music.

Lacking:
2 CD players and cheap speakers.


Now:

Solid:
1200's + Mixer (or mixer and SSL box) + Speakers + Laptop + new music

Lacking:
Ipod or cheap laptop and cheap speakers.


... that would be a fairer comparison ($2550 vs $8800 for the solid setup).

So NEW DJ's are spending 8800 starting out?

AND charging 50 bucks?

Today's NEW DJ's that are charging 50 bucks and what are starting off with -



Back in the DAY, there weren't CDJ players...

AND that was assuming they were getting 1200's at 450 apiece...

Forget it if they were getting DJ in a Box Gemini setups...

Also, when you say Solid in reference to a LAPTOP, I'm obviously talking about a Windows vs. a MAC.

I wasn't DJing before cd players came out (82) so I dunno about that far back, but jenkins mobile djs have been using them for a while.

I actually agree that the barriers to entry level djing are less now (including cost), but comparing a past high end setup to a current low end setupisn't really a fair comparison.

I think the issue is that the cheap setup is more excepted by the masses now. Everybody knew that the dude with the 2 home cd players wasn't a "real" dj, but now a laptop & $100 controller dude is all good.

argument tactics and shit. smh

NO ONE said anything about a new DJ failing or whatever.

New DJs do not develop ethics because the various entry barriers are lowered - cost, practice time, mentorship, and general need/want of excellence. Nowadays dudes go from decision 1 to pulling gigs in a weeks time. In this case there is ABSOLUTELY no way to develop ethics (who fuckin knows what your excuse it?)

argument tactics and shit. smh

NO ONE said anything about a new DJ failing or whatever.

New DJs do not develop ethics because the various entry barriers are lowered - cost, practice time, mentorship, and general need/want of excellence. Nowadays dudes go from decision 1 to pulling gigs in a weeks time. In this case there is ABSOLUTELY no way to develop ethics (who fuckin knows what your excuse is?)

Always with the yap yap yapping - no one is talking about all that B.S.


We are talking about DJ developing 'DJ ethics' (but since you never heard of em...)

Nm

Pioneer released a CDJ 100S in 1996 and the CDJ 1000 MKII came out in July 2003.

Regardless, to be considered a "DJ" back then, you had to have turntables. There is another debate of when CDJ's became accepted as the standard, but turntables were the benchmark of being a DJ from the door.



Dude, 2 turntables and a mixer WAS the "Low End" setup back in the day. That 2550 number is as real as it could have gotten. ONLY AFTER the DJ fad caught on did it actually get "Lower" with the DJ in a box phenomenon.


To tell you the truth, the ONLY thing the crowd worries about is if you have the MUSIC and a device to DELIVER it to the masses.

Only US DJ's REALLY care about if you have 1200's, a high quality amp, an iPod, MAC, JBL's or legal mp3's.

Who is talking about DJ's developing ethics?

Y'all were talking about a DJ being "Educated" in the "Rules"....

What the hell are the supposed "Rules" that someone would absolutely follow to be come a DJ again?

You said there are RULES right ? ->

WHAT are these supposed "Rules" that you speak of that TODAY would stop someone from becoming a DJ if they didn't follow them?

Again, you sit and knit...

"What the hell are the supposed "Rules" that someone would absolutely follow to be come a DJ again?"

To become a DJ?

1- beatmaching
2- song selection skills


To become a jukebox?

No rules

That's cool...

Now is that particular "DJ" the SAME person that is charging 50 bucks on Craigslist and the ones that all these other "DJ"s" are complaining are undercutting?

.... And being a DJ then vs now was not so much about a monetary issue as it was a privilege issue. Only DJs had access to music and it was free promotional music for the most part. Nowadays ANYONE has the access to the music.

nm

Anyone can undercut regardless of title. I've seen both jukeboxes and actual DJs undercut.

nm

I said that earlier -

Which contributes to how the GAME has changed, and how "DJ's" need to adjust to the changes.

The truth is that DJ'ing is about Supply and Demand.

The crowd wanted the music (Demand), and we were able to deliver it (Supply).

ALL those other "Rules" came into play because of DJ's THEMSELVES...

The idea of "Beatmatching" was a DJ's idea, to enhance the party.

Did the crowd like it? Sure.

Could they have lived without it? They were before...

It was a prerequisite that was put in place by those who "Controlled" the game.

Those who controlled the game were OLDER DJ's who had equipment and had holds on the residences that you wanted to play in.

Wedding DJ's were known by REPUTATION ONLY.

If you didn't do your homework, you wouldn't have been put on, wouldn't have a rep, would not get a gig. Simple.

NOW the game is such that people no longer rely on DJ's to acquire music. They had Napster and now Amazon. Instant gratification.

So, the demand is still there - People want music, BUT since it's available to them for relatively cheap, they think the DJ should be cheap too...

Enter the Undercutting/Uneducated new DJ.

No longer is the Club/Bar/Establishment caring if you can beatmatch...

Actually they NEVER really cared....

OTHER DJ's cared....

Now can you make the CROWD HAPPY?

Ok, you're hired....

That's it.

Just the fact that someone WOULD be willing to hire a DJ off of Craigslist should be enough to indicate where the game has gone...

Now, who should you be mad at?

The "Game" that has been changed where the Demand doesn't really CARE how the Music is delivered to them?

Or the "DJ" who fulfills that request?

cd players came out in 82

Blah, blah, blah, this dude has no idea what the discussion is about about.


Nm

When did they start becoming popular in the DJ era?

lmao @ Lightskinned trying so hard...

What were those DJ "Rules" again?

DJ Ethics. This guy soposedly been around since the 70 and never heard of them. Exactly why he keeps babbling about everything else but the actual subject it goes right over his head and probably will for ever. Dude has no ethics - explains his whole entire sneeze.

Nm

www.facebook.com

its called the economies of scale. learned that in college 101

econ 101^

You know you sound stupid, right?

And the fun part is that you're scared of your own words....

You said -

What are these [b]rules[b] that you speak of that, if you don't follow them, will NOT allow you to be a DJ today?

Stop stalling Garfield.

Man, you make this too easy...

Always talkin' that *ish, and when you get challenged on it, you about face...

Typical lightskinned behavior.

Challenged?

Every time someone mentioned some rules you went dumb left field on some unrelated BS.

read the thread again there are various ethics mentioned otherwise stf, the thread might amount to something without all your dumb thread jack tactics.

Someone mentioned ethics, and this dude tries to ruin the thread.

Nm

Typical lightskinned behavior....

You were never breast fed as a child I see...

Always trying to latch onto something...

sounds like a battle!!!!!!!!!

Weak as usual - mad about being deceased and stuck with the NoCred moniker.

End thread?




Rule #7234
If you are opening, do not play the headliners record.


Nm

Yawn

same ole same ole

Watchwww.youtube.com

It seems that the term "DJ Ethics" could fittingly be replaced by "Pirate's Code" or "Honor Among Thieves". And the latter is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Anyway, can we switch back to the "LEGAL" part of the convo, please? Cause my wedding game is getting popular and I'm getting BOOKED UP, which is GREAT! So I'm thinking of joining the show circuit and a few online organizations. But, a friend of mine was playing a new club back in '02 when ASCAP walked in and hit the club with HEAVY fines for some burnt CD's he had. Do any or all of you know if there's some DJ membership to ASCAP, or something like that, to actually legalize and protect ourselves from getting a surprise hit at a show or something? Any info would be GREATLY appreciated!!!

Talking about ethics is far more than just talking about undercutting. It seems like undercutting is the only subject that DJs seem to have any comment on.

Although many didn't agree with @DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 he did bring up some very good points, which challenges many DJs here to change their concepts of what is going on in the occupation. It's not all about the downfall of the industry because of new technology and undercutting. There's so much more to the occupation; and like all occupational groups there are always shifts in the environment.

I was interested to hear which ethical codes DJs share. One could look inwardly first, and come up with a few...but it's just the same ol narrative - "undercutting, undercutting, undercutting", surely there's more to the discourse than that.

There are some decent threads with information about Performance Rights fees and legal issues. search

LMAO - this dude struggled all night, and first thing in the morning logs on to compare me to Christopher Williams because of my skin color?

I classify that as pathetic. Not sure why he thinks its offensive or whatever - but manthis dude has some issue with peoples color - sad really - on many levels.

back on topic?

nm

Here are some just off the top...

- Don't snake the gig of another DJ
- Don't burn the headliner
- Don't expect to borrow headphones, needles, control records, etc. (Come prepared)
- Don't file share anything that is given to you with exclusivity
- Don't back off from a battle. If you're challenged that is... (That's for the Hip Hop DJ's)


I don't even count undercutting as one unless you're trying to snake a gig which is already up there. To me, if you're setting your prices too low, you're not hurting me. You're hurting yourself.

nm

LOL! You have no color.

You're clear...

To me setting a low price is not really "undercutting". To undercut, you have to go after a gig by setting a price lower than whats established... definitions...

nm

Anything pertaining to the service we provide (client relationship); and how DJs should present themselves?

Thats going to depend on the type of job and client - because there is a full spectrum of situations. Some clients will expect you to not to have even a sip of wine, others will expect you to snort a line of coke or some shit with them...

lol

I tried a search using "Performance Rights" and found nada. Can somebody throw me some better keywords or a link maybe? Please?

Here's one, there are a couple others... serato.com

So he struggles all night dreaming about me as Christopher Williams, makes sure he logs on to say his little remark - goes to work or whatever, puts down a ham sandwich on his five min break to say some more shit about what I look like - this dudes got a moistness problem all worried about what I look like. Dudes thinking about all day on some racial shit.

Pathetic on various levels, various.

LOL! I just like how you ALWAYS have to make a reference to me...doesn't matter if I'm in the thread or not...

You just click your heels 3 times, and poof...

Here I is.

If you learn to stick to the topic at hand, you wouldn't get burned so quickly.

Just sayin....

Huh? This dude gets up in the morning dreaming about I'm his favorite RnB singer and wondering should he start a new thread with my name in the topic. suspect JohnnyMo always considering another mans skin.

fire burn

LMAO! Wait, aren't YOU the king of creating threads in my honor? -> serato.com

And

serato.com

lol! You're the KANG of those types of posts....

Carry on..

#1 This thread was not (originally) about you. It was about this dude.
www.jonny-m.co.uk

YOU made that shit about you.

Thats the thread you came out the closet and shit. Like I said, Im not jomophobic or whatever, I just dont like you trying to focus on me - aight cuz?



#2 was necessary for legal reasons.

So I made ONE thread to document all the lies you try telling about me. All types of federal level shit - had to for legal reasons.


thats ALL you got?



but whats really sad and pathetic is this:


you woke up dreaming about me as an RnB singer
8:22 AM - 11 November, 2013
serato.com

lunch break and you still have me on your mind kid
2:02 PM - 11 November, 2013
serato.com

whatever BS you do during the day, and you make it home, eat some leftovers or whatever and you are still thinking about me son, still!
11:30 PM - 11 November, 2013
serato.com

Now you got your bs pc up in bed, and you are still fucking thinking about me homie - STILL!
1:05 AM - 12 November, 2013
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You know you gotta get up and go to work fella, and you are up in here with more petty BS to say about me? ALL FUCKING DAY cat? Really? These is all the posts you made all day?

Fucks wrong with you b?

We know you got murked out and everything, and you was asking me to stop an all a dat, but for real b - you need to quit having me on your mind like that - it aint healthy - your soul is burnt - just stop that

all fucking day, and Im the only thing in your mind really?

smdh


hope tuesday aint the same shit

nm

C'mon son! You can do better than that!

You KNOW that you HAVE to refer to me - either directly or subliminally - JUST to get your day started...

I can be NOWHERE NEAR the thread, and here you go...

Ever since I burned that dude in the Classic Rock thread, you and ya boy caught "Feelings" and can't HELP but try and get my attention...

Eh, I let you get a few little shots in, just to see if you've upped your game at all...

But as usual, you always fail..

So most times, I do this -> educationblog.dallasnews.com to you....

You just CAN'T help it...

I understand....

No wonder Bezzle has gotten the best of you lately.

Heh, I can ALWAYS depend on you to cast the first stone.... :-)

And since we're cutting and pasting now -

Here's the tale of the tape -

Here's where the OP proposed the question -


And then I answer, and then here YOU go -

and here -

and here -


and here -


and here -


and here -


and here -


and here -


and here -


And who is coming after who again?

C'mon son....

Stevie Wonder can see through those smoke and mirrors...

And of course this all carries over from here -> serato.com

What's funny is that actually Bezzle and I were AGREEING on a few points and here comes ya boy AKIEM -



I respond with -


And you respond with


So I already know you're just here to do flame on so you kick it off with -

this -


And this -


And this -


And this -


And this -
<- Your Barbara Striesand "reference" to me..lmao.

And this -


And this -


This here -


Now the word "Trophy" is significant because it allows you to "continue" the subliminals in yet a completely NEW thread right here -> serato.com

Where you go on to say this ->


And HERE IS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO SEE'S WHAT'S GOING ON AND SAYS - >




LMAO!

And I haven't even posted in that thread...

smh....but please continue.

Thanks Akiem

^arent those taylor swift lyrics?

no problem

:)

3:45 AM ?

wow


nm

educationblog.dallasnews.com

:-)

you still got that helmet on to this day

:)

nm

bwhahahaha

heeeeeere's Johnny: i1.ytimg.com

ROTFLMAO!!!

When are these two just gonna slob each other and get it over with. Its obvious they are in love.

Cmon Fellas, you two can be the first serato.com marriage.

Dude knows who's wearing the helmet...

...his name - johnnyMo.

Yup



CMOS, that's probably half right because normally its some ol throwback chicks comparing me to some R&B singer. Usually they are down for the dilz an all that - guess this dude is down for the same thing:(

'Ooh, you look like Christopher Williams'

Really son, really?

Fuck outta here.


nm

Burnin' that soul slow....

LMAO @ delusional.


In all honesty calling me Christopher Williams is the most gayest insult anyone ever tried on me. It's very homosexual of you to be thinking of me as a R&B sex symbol guy.

LMAO

JohnnyMo.

nm

My instinct was to say topic abandoned. But seeing as how, like most other "professions" here in the States, DJ's don't have ethics. Never mind. Continue the slap boxing.

Wow, missed this...

You know what's funny?

That not so long ago, YOU DJRemix was "a-scared" of AKIEM...remember?



serato.com

Now, y'all are bossom "buddies".....

Classic *ish rite thurr....

Carry on.

As a matter of fact, I do recall re-assuring you that he was "Harmless"....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA>..

...said the deceased.

amen

Nm

not quite my friend... it's just i have respect for someone who can debate honestly... you havn't mastered the art of ethics yet.

and now i see its actually the other way around... cuz everywhere your 'light skinned fantasy' is, low and behold, JM is only 3 posts away...smdh

LMAO @ "honestly"....

You mean you haven't beaten him yet...

Understandable...

Bezzle eventually did it...

You can too...

Carry on!

LOL!!!!!!

Like I said, y'all click them heels and voila!!!

Wonder Twin Powers....

Activate!!!

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PS, so did you ever get that "Speeder" footage digitally analyzed again?

Straight Com-MO-Dee!

true story!

this

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And there's the magic # 3.....

Yep...

Y'all carry on, ya hear?

LOL @ doing this with your "Own Quotes"...

Classic.

The fact that you're having to defend yourself over and over tells the whole story No Cred.

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untracking thanks guys again

JM's Synopsis:

Callin this dude a failure is not givin him enough credit namsayin. Straight up. Technically this guy has already mastered failure n moved on to the level that comes after failin tho. Son has evolved past bein a regular failin ass dude. This guy has developed his own science when it comes to that shit….its “quantum failure” nahmean. This dude can fail without even bein awake yo. Son can fail in a dream n bring that shit back wit him to his conscious state namsayin. Dude can inception fail his way thru life. This guy can find the fail buried 4 levels deeper under the failure that you actually see. Dude can fail about 78 times per heartbeat g. In fact by the time you finish readin this sentence the his ass will have failed approximately 468 times namsayin. He is usin methods of failure that dudes aint even seen since the ancient Mayans n Egyptians was on earth still yo. This dude is usin approaches to failin that brought upon the destructions of entire ancient civilizations son. Think its a game yo? JM takes his failure very fuckin seriously son. He dont want no failures happenin unless he involved. No chains snatched…no faces smacked…no nothin. A dude falls off his bike in the park….he wants IN.

Same here. Shame though.

well, you could def write a nice lil chapter about forum etiquette in your 'DJ Code of Ethics' book....lmao

LMAO @ defense....

Man, the "quotes" tell the story!

And cats are now posting homemade Manifestos!

You can't make this stuff up!

LOL!

I'm waiting for-
"You and me. Bike racks. 3:15. This afternoon you die."

Does "dying" from laughter count?

The "3" stick together! I think that's noble of them.

they are right... ever since you got that avatar...you've been takin that ish seriously...lol

Of course you think that....

It's your job.

Unlike Tommy who HAS no job!

Man listen....

Ethics are loosely based on a set of inferred "Rules"...

But that's led by a guy who thinks all cops are "Pigs"....

Thus no respect for "Authority"....

Yep, makes for a great example...

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

Again, you can't make this stuff up.

*Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn*

It's alright man, no need to be "a-scared" anymore...

I told you he was "Harmless"....

cosign

LMAO like all of you co-signing means anything....

Blah, blah, blah....

@ Akiem & DJJohnny - you both are well capable of writing sensible and intelligent comments but when it comes to you both, it's getting silly - no more Roxanne, please

Back to topic: Rule 1: Never play weak shit (Don't fake the funk or your nose will grow), rule 2: keep your skills up to the standard (or above) --> practice. Everything else can be subsumed, like not to play weak shit you gotta know what's weak --> you gotta be a crate digger etc.

This Thread = Hilarious

(NM)

It's been pretty "silly" for quite a while - some people are entertained by it as well. Now maybe its a stretch but I think it's a perfect example of a DJ who never developed any ethics vs one who has.



Now, I never intended to hold myself up as an example, but thinking about it - I can.

I call cops pigs because most police departments are corrupt institutions who themselves act counter too, and have no respect for authority. My disdain for them, at its root is MY respect for authority. I respect DJ Ethics (you don't) and I despise courupiton (you don't).

so makes perfect sense.


See, before this dude came to this board it was much more civil here. But this guy with his elaborate troll tactics stretched the boundaries (getting himself banned a couple time in the process - I don't even know what the mf is doing here). So be happy the fella focuses so much energy on me - it saves the board from all the running amok he would be doing. Fella has no ethics.

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^well written.

If you think he's a troll don't feed him

LOLz

Right, see he is not a simple troll. He is an 'elaborate troll' and the only real way to deal with one in this situation is to try and spin as many lessons off his antics as possible. Elaborate trolls will eat regardless because they go deep cover and dupe most people most of the time - I happen to understand what he is doing, so I play along, for the fun, but also for the illustration.

None of that has anything to do with ethics

??? 'Don't fake the funk or your nose will grow' has nothing to to with ethics? It's the Pinocchio theory and that puppet was a liar. Tell Bootsy that ;-)
And the most unethical thing I heard a DJ do was Grandmaster Jay stealing Jazzy Jeff's Peter Piper routine. If he had followed my rule 2 he hadn't had to.

blah, blah..blah...



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Ha, are you kidding?

He CAN'T stop referencing me...

Even in threads that I haven't even POSTED IN...

It's already been shown that he fits the profile of a Serial "something"....

www.djjohnnym.com

Wow, you just admitted that you are actively following me around the board...

Really?

Just like ya' boy said -



But here's the funny part about this whole thing..

You say this -

But when it REALLY comes down to it, YOU'RE the one recognized as the one with the "tactics" as outlined here -serato.com


Looks like nothings changed, huh?

Again, the actual "Quotes" tell the story....

^ Give me a fucking break. Akiem is right about you

lol! That I pulled out quotes from 2010 where it proves my point?

LMAO!

And u dont see a problem with this? Ooooookaaaaaay.

Just sayin...

Ain't nuffin' changed! :-D

True, but that had NOTHING to do with what you said. You said dont play weak shit, practice, dig crates. None of which deal with ethics.

^ Has 'tactics'

That's all?

Ha

Exactly. I think we should define the term ethics at this point. Quoting from en.wikipedia.org "Applied ethics is a discipline of philosophy that attempts to apply ethical theory to real-life situations. The discipline has many specialized fields, such as Engineering Ethics, bioethics, geoethics, public service ethics and business ethics.".
Our field is DJ Ethics and, Bezzle, I concede I left out the ethical theory ;-)

eth·ic (thk)
n.
1.
a. A set of principles of right conduct.
b. A theory or a system of moral values: "An ethic of service is at war with a craving for gain" (Gregg Easterbrook).
2. ethics (used with a sing. verb) The study of the general nature of morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by a person; moral philosophy.
3. ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession: medical ethics.

"DJ Ethics" is "More what you call guidelines than actual rules"

bump

LMAO @ how much truth lives in this thread.

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