DJing Discussion

This area is for discussion about DJing in general. Please remember the community rules when posting and try to be polite and inclusive.

Ive had 2 djs say "yeah I got serato...used a crack serial"

Joshua Carl 10:48 PM - 28 December, 2009
So, the first time someone said it... I just blew it off.
figured the kid didnt recognize the SSL software on my screen right in front of
him...he probably got SSL & VDJ mixed up.

so, last Saturday.
At my residency.

kid pops in the booth...went like this:

+"nice... serato...how do you like it"
-Love it.
+yeah..I had the offline player for a while then my boy got me a cracked serial.
- Oh, you mean virtual dj?
+ nah man... you can crack serato now...video too
-thats news to me...I was pretty sure it was un-crackable...and if it isnt when you
goto update it it wont work eventually...
+nah... theres like 10 of us all using it, its fine... all on 1.9.2

I was kind of shell-shocked.
I really didnt know what to say...

I was pretty sure the boys had this crack proof, and repeat serials wouldnt work.

of course, in the realm of DJs (some of the biggest shit-talking one-uppers ever)
it could have been just that...shit talking.
sixxx 10:56 PM - 28 December, 2009
How do you crack 1.9.2 when it's free for download? lol
Joshua Carl 11:03 PM - 28 December, 2009
I 99.99% sure he meant the program on the whole was cracked
(implying that he updated to 1.9.2 and the cracked serial still worked)
Dj-M.Bezzle 11:04 PM - 28 December, 2009
even if it was somehow cracked im sure only internal would be avaliable and who cares theres no fun in all internal mode
DJDeluchi 11:20 PM - 28 December, 2009
next time you see him throw a sl1 right at his face and say the serato community hate you and your cracked video sl go out and buy it mother fucker

you tell him that from dj deluchi of the UK

serato products rule i will pay for that no problem and i hate paying for anything i dont have to excluding music if it is cracks it means that douche bag is taking away business from serato and rane and means future updates wont have as much financial backing meaning the stuff we want serato to have will take longer to come

sorry to go over the top but dicks like that really fuck me off
beatdown 11:20 PM - 28 December, 2009
so... where are the phono inputs on his laptop
beatdown 11:21 PM - 28 December, 2009
this is why SSL is brilliant to sell the hardware interface and provide the software for free. I guess video could be hacked/cracked, but fundamentally you dont have shit unless you have a box or 57.
adhdj 11:23 PM - 28 December, 2009
It SOUNDS LIKE what this guy is saying is that someone has developed a crack that makes the SL1 / SL3 / TTM57 NOT neccessary. LAME.
beatdown 11:27 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
It SOUNDS LIKE what this guy is saying is that someone has developed a crack that makes the SL1 / SL3 / TTM57 NOT neccessary. LAME.


how can a software crack take the place of hardware? i.e. how can they connect their turntables or CDJs to their laptop? I guess an expensive midi device could control SSL via USB, but the people who own such things generally have enough $ to buy SSL. I'm sure the Serato team isn't too worried - even if such a crack exists, there can't be that many people with the knowhow and hardware to make it worth it.
PVK01 11:27 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
How do you crack 1.9.2 when it's free for download? lol


Sixxx I just cracked a whip on my interwebz explorer


lol
DJDeluchi 11:28 PM - 28 December, 2009
or he has the sl1,sl3 or the 57 and they have cracked the video software that sucks cause it means serato is losing £200 for each install
Joshua Carl 11:29 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
It SOUNDS LIKE what this guy is saying is that someone has developed a crack that makes the SL1 / SL3 / TTM57 NOT neccessary. LAME.


thats kinda what I had interpreted.

I HOPE the boys at SSL are aware, if in fact that is the case.

I so monday-morning-quarterbacked the whole conversation...
shoulda said, coulda said....next time.
but I just blew it off as a lark, I usually get 2+ "djs" a night coming to the
mezzanine to tell me about themselves.
Im sure its a matter of time b4 someone comes up with that cock & bull story again.

I really dont think you can crack a audio port, or whatever it is the other programs
use for timecodes.
Joshua Carl 11:30 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
or he has the sl1,sl3 or the 57 and they have cracked the video software that sucks cause it means serato is losing £200 for each install


I dont think that was it in this kids case... becuase when I toggled from the hardware tab to the video tab to change my logo...he asked what program that was.
beatdown 11:33 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
or he has the sl1,sl3 or the 57 and they have cracked the video software that sucks cause it means serato is losing £200 for each install


Yeah, I hear ya - I just don't think its a huge deal if its the case. The teenager who dls the cracked video upgrade is probably not a serious DJ anyway, probably takes shitty audio and video off limewire and mixes in his bedroom, and wouldn't have bought VSSL anyway. With moderate deterrents on the upgrades, they should be able to make it inconvenient enough that it doesn't become widespread. The jackasses wasting their time on cracked versions are not serious DJs I guarantee you.

Again, I think we're imagining this to be bigger than it is. Joshua Carl - what hardware interface was he using?
RogerRabbit 11:34 PM - 28 December, 2009
IBTL

Quote:
It SOUNDS LIKE what this guy is saying is that someone has developed a crack that makes the SL1 / SL3 / TTM57 NOT neccessary. LAME.


Not lame, in a technical sense. If a crack was developed, it would probably mean that could you use any 4 X 4 aiso card like other dvs's. Which would be bad for the Serato company..
DjWoody 11:35 PM - 28 December, 2009
I'm sure the guy meant VIDEO SL. You do need a serial number for Video SL.
djbigboy 11:37 PM - 28 December, 2009
yeah - the software was always free - you should have told him that from the start...

I had a well known dj at one of my clubs just download the sofrware and start using serato at the club cuz he didn't need a box, it was provided.....he used it in ABS mode for a long time but I think now even he went out and bought the box
adhdj 11:42 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:


Not lame, in a technical sense. If a crack was developed, it would probably mean that could you use any 4 X 4 aiso card like other dvs's. Which would be bad for the Serato company..


Thank you, that's what I meant. VDJ, Traktor, etc can be controlled by any number of external soundcards, so I suppose that it would be possible to "crack" SSL to do the same. Weakness regardless.
beatdown 11:42 PM - 28 December, 2009
If I were Serato, I'd let those dummies crack the software and play around with INT mode - you know after a couple weeks of that they're going to get frustrated and pony up for the box.

As for video, maybe they need better security on the serial #s - again, should be able to address this in the next update if there is a security issue. Maybe a USB key for video like some programs have? I know they're not infallible, but an iLok type dongle would make it harder for pirates. Rather than get into a software security battle, maybe they should stick to hardware solutions, which seems to have worked just fine so far.
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:42 PM - 28 December, 2009
stinks like BS in this thread
RogerRabbit 11:43 PM - 28 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
It SOUNDS LIKE what this guy is saying is that someone has developed a crack that makes the SL1 / SL3 / TTM57 NOT neccessary. LAME.


I'm sure the Serato team isn't too worried - even if such a crack exists, there can't be that many people with the knowhow and hardware to make it worth it.



They would be worried, if it is real. Imagine of these kids download cracked copies of ssl instead of vdj, and post youtube tutorials just like how they do with other software.
djbigboy 11:44 PM - 28 December, 2009
hahah watch that guy won't be able to use his VSl for long, once someeone uses the same serial, game over...
Joshua Carl 11:44 PM - 28 December, 2009
yeah...I really didnt get enough info to make any kind of case

like i said... Sunday it struck me... thats 2 guys saying they have hacked serato...
either way, I think its important, that if that is the case the SSL boys know about it.
(if they dont already)

how much hacked software is out there.

when I first started with video thats how VDJ got money out of me.
club owner gave me a hacked version.
I felt limited by not being able to get updates ect ect...
went and bought it...
then VSL came out...
beatdown 11:49 PM - 28 December, 2009
well... sounds like you guys really want to worry and speculate over this one.

1. So far we've heard THIRD HAND about one person doing this, and the details are sparse. the OP recognizes that the kid might just be "talking shit."

2. Still haven't heard any info on hardware configuration, whether it is video SL or not, etc.

3. I want screen shots of SSL running full mode without a box or 57 attached before I waste any more time on this thread guessing what might be going on. Or a forum member who has seen this firsthand.

4. If its true I'm sure this isn't the first the SSL / Rane team has heard about it.
Joshua Carl 11:53 PM - 28 December, 2009
I think going forward, thanks to ya'll s ideas we can (I know I can) know what questions
to fire back when this pops up in the gig-world.

I would have never thought to pry into what hardware configuration he was using.

in retrospect I was more pissed off at the moment that someone came up and had the
audacity to say something like that...
RogerRabbit 11:59 PM - 28 December, 2009
The bottom line is, no program is uncrackable. The GSM algorithm for cellphone encryption was recently cracked so... it really not unfathomable that ssl can be cracked.

But if you guys want to feel better, it was probably vdj with one of the scratch live skins :)
CAW 12:22 AM - 29 December, 2009
If you take 5 min to Google "Serato Crack", what you'll see is several entries for a Video SL key generator, all on the first page of search results. So my guess is this is what the kid was bragging about, and was too ignorant of the way SSL works to understand that a Video SL keygen without Rane hardware is about as useful as a trying to use a dirty sock to filter canal water.

(And GSM has been broken for years. Just not well publicized.)
G_illn 12:31 AM - 29 December, 2009
it makes no sense. you cannot use serato "properly" without the hardware. one day that kid will be playing and everything will crash and he will learn the hard way. many people choose to learn the hardway
Dj BuddyLove 12:40 AM - 29 December, 2009
there is a interface out there that you can use for ssl..
i saw it on youtube..
Dj BuddyLove 12:51 AM - 29 December, 2009
i would post the name of the product..
but i want peeps to buy the og scratchlive hardwear
SteadFast 1:13 AM - 29 December, 2009
can i register my video-sl?
Serato, Support
ChrisD 1:32 AM - 29 December, 2009
Quote:
can i register my video-sl?

Yep. Here: serato.com
Laz219 1:59 AM - 29 December, 2009
I just searched it into google to see if there was anything relevant, most of the result on google that came up aren't real results. They are just sites that take your search, add onto it then expect you to sign up to see the results (which conveniently have been removed from the site once you're signed up)

If SSL had been cracked it would definitely be so people could use any sound card (think maya-44) but without any kind of signal routing control in SSL I think that would also require some kind of plug-in to be authored to go with it.
casket hands 2:02 AM - 29 December, 2009
it was probably just downloaded from a torrent site with a product key (or however it works for video SL) and so he thought he was being l337 h4x0rs.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 2:11 AM - 29 December, 2009
Just to add more confusion to this thread, rumor has it that Native Instruments and Traktor can see the SL1 as a Sound Card so you can use the SL1 with Traktor instead of a Audio 8/4 box.

Wonder if they (hackers) can somehow make the Serato software think a SL soundcard is there.
SteadFast 3:18 AM - 29 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
can i register my video-sl?

Yep. Here: serato.com


thanks chris! now i gotta go find my serial number
djdragon 6:54 AM - 29 December, 2009
i say pics or it never happened.

If they hacked it I want concrete proof.
DJ-NEO 7:34 AM - 29 December, 2009
I Been looking and found no proof of this. i think they they told him a lie and said it was SSL but really its probably Traktor or VDJ it cant be SSl it just cant be
Dj BuddyLove 7:53 AM - 29 December, 2009
Quote:
there is a interface out there that you can use for ssl..
i saw it on youtube..

i was wrong...
sorry all just checked and it was vdj being used with the maya 44 & serato cv's
DjFiasCo 2:39 PM - 29 December, 2009
You dj so bad you need a cracked version of SSL, cause you are on the SL blacklist!
bourbonstmc 6:50 PM - 29 December, 2009
Quote:
I Been looking and found no proof of this. i think they they told him a lie and said it was SSL but really its probably Traktor or VDJ it cant be SSl it just cant be


It doesn't even have to be a lie. These numnuts might not know one DVS from the next one...
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:21 PM - 29 December, 2009
its not a lie if you believe it
Mr. Cheese 71nyc 10:35 PM - 29 December, 2009
I thought that most of the processing was done in the Sl1 box instead of your computer that is why it work so smoothly compared to other dvs. i believe its a skin
Audio1 10:39 PM - 29 December, 2009
Quote:
Cleveland: Hey Quagmire, how was your date last night?
Quagmire: Cleveland, it was amazing. You know what I discovered last night? Women have a fourth hole.
Joe: What?
Quagmire: Yeah, I mean it's only visible if you're looking from exactly the right angle, like the entrance to Hogwarts. But ya gotta believe that it's there.
Joshua Carl 10:45 PM - 29 December, 2009
there it is right there.... right behind the knee
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:47 PM - 29 December, 2009
16 days or so....
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:48 PM - 29 December, 2009
ooops wrong thread....

that was meant for this one
serato.com
djdragon 12:10 AM - 30 December, 2009
Quote:
its not a lie if you believe it



Men who sleep with transvestites and say they are not 'gay' say stuff like that.
djcruz99 12:55 AM - 30 December, 2009
There is no serial number for Serato. The box is the "serial" number. Even if they managed to fool the software into thinking the box is attached, they still have to buy a sound card to make it work. As Serato continues to update the software they could always fix any issues. Like Apple did with the Palm Pre syncing to Itunes.
I know as a working DJ, I don't want to spin on cracked software and I think most DJ's on here feel the same way, so probably not a big deal for Serato.
itzhutch 11:44 AM - 31 December, 2009
team,

I purchased thevideo sl- but I cannot find my serial number . Can anyone help? I really dont want to pay 199.00 for something a already bought . i moved and I think i misplaced the number
DJ-NEO 12:10 PM - 31 December, 2009
Quote:
team,

I purchased thevideo sl- but I cannot find my serial number . Can anyone help? I really dont want to pay 199.00 for something a already bought . i moved and I think i misplaced the number

Hmmmm ?
Caramac 1:21 PM - 31 December, 2009
Quote:
team,

I purchased thevideo sl- but I cannot find my serial number . Can anyone help? I really dont want to pay 199.00 for something a already bought . i moved and I think i misplaced the number


Sure no worries. We're all family here.

A/B-3444-G/Z-7666-CRUSH-IT
Drimachus 1:46 PM - 31 December, 2009
[post removed]
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:52 PM - 31 December, 2009
Quote:
team,

I purchased thevideo sl- but I cannot find my serial number . Can anyone help? I really dont want to pay 199.00 for something . i moved and I think i misplaced the number

fixed it
DJ CISC0 2:35 PM - 31 December, 2009
Quote:
team,

I purchased thevideo sl- but I cannot find my serial number . Can anyone help? I really dont want to pay 199.00 for something a already bought . i moved and I think i misplaced the number

Use this serial 007-373-5963. We're all here to help.
BERTO 2:28 AM - 2 January, 2010
u know what i think it may be they downloaded software from torrent site or something and they got all excited about it, ppl that get free shit from there always brag about it even though half of it is garbage
Nicky Blunt 3:14 AM - 2 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Cleveland: Hey Quagmire, how was your date last night?Quagmire: Cleveland, it was amazing. You know what I discovered last night? Women have a fourth hole.Joe: What?Quagmire: Yeah, I mean it's only visible if you're looking from exactly the right angle, like the entrance to Hogwarts. But ya gotta believe that it's there.


hahahaha
Dj Sparky 3:18 AM - 2 January, 2010
In theory you could dump the firmware from the sl1 with a standard chip reader,
find a sound card similar to the sl1 and flash or customise the firmware to work on it, all the sl1 is, is practically a dongle, but i'm too busy trying to take over the world to even waste time looking into it.
sixxx 3:42 AM - 2 January, 2010
Quote:
In theory you could dump the firmware from the sl1 with a standard chip reader,
find a sound card similar to the sl1 and flash or customise the firmware to work on it, all the sl1 is, is practically a dongle, but i'm too busy trying to take over the world to even waste time looking into it.


hahaha
Serato, Moderator
Eru G 8:09 PM - 4 January, 2010
Drimachus,

Your post was out of line and straight up uncool... I can't even fathom what on earth was going through your head when you posted how to rip off a Serato product on the OFFICIAL SERATO FORUM.

You're banned.
SteadFast 8:13 PM - 4 January, 2010
rewind
Free Man 8:32 PM - 4 January, 2010
I did a search and found this

www.scratchlive.net
sixxx 8:37 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Drimachus,

Your post was out of line and straight up uncool... I can't even fathom what on earth was going through your head when you posted how to rip off a Serato product on the OFFICIAL SERATO FORUM.

You're banned.


So now when members are banned it doesn't show they're banned on the forum?
Serato, Moderator
Eru G 8:50 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
So now when members are banned it doesn't show they're banned on the forum?


Correct. There was a discussion detailing this a little while back...

serato.com
SK1 9:07 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Use this serial 007-373-5963. We're all here to help.


Mike Tyson comes out and punches you if you type that one in.
sixxx 9:07 PM - 4 January, 2010
I see. Thanks for the link Eru G


Eru... that's a strange name. Almost as strange as Sixxx. :)
Wazo 9:08 PM - 4 January, 2010
hmmmm. wonder what he said. not that i care enough to do something about it. dont know how or why you can or would rip off serato?? doesnt make sense to me. i mean what can you do that you cant already do people to spend so much time hacking a program. i like to DJ and serato does it for me 150%.
Serato, Moderator
Eru G 9:08 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Eru... that's a strange name. Almost as strange as Sixxx. :)


Hahaha thanks (I guess) -- it's short for Eruera, which is Maori for Edward :)
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:10 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Eru... that's a strange name. Almost as strange as Sixxx. :)


Hahaha thanks (I guess) -- it's short for Eruera, which is Maori for Edward :)


i thought a Eruera was a kinda ostridge?
Serato, Moderator
Eru G 9:11 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
i thought a Eruera was a kinda ostridge?


You sir, have been terribly misinformed :P
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:22 PM - 4 January, 2010
me?? missinformed....NEVER lol...acutually i think Emu was the word i was thinking of
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:31 PM - 4 January, 2010
they make samplers
DJ CISC0 9:41 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Use this serial 007-373-5963. We're all here to help.


Mike Tyson comes out and punches you if you type that one in.
haha yep...coolest easter egg.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:44 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Use this serial 007-373-5963. We're all here to help.


Mike Tyson comes out and punches you if you type that one in.
haha yep...coolest easter egg.


DUDE THEY WERE WAITING FOR NAMM TO RELEASE THAT INFO
sixxx 10:12 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Eru... that's a strange name. Almost as strange as Sixxx. :)


Hahaha thanks (I guess) -- it's short for Eruera, which is Maori for Edward :)


That's cool!

Btw, I had to look who or what was Maori. :P
djdragon 11:17 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Eru... that's a strange name. Almost as strange as Sixxx. :)


Hahaha thanks (I guess) -- it's short for Eruera, which is Maori for Edward :)


i thought a Eruera was a kinda ostridge?



That's an EMU
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:24 PM - 4 January, 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy 11:25 PM - 4 January, 2010
djdragon 11:41 PM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
img68.exs.cx

Quote:
or


www.sequencer.de


Both LOL
Joshua Carl 12:03 AM - 12 January, 2010
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!

I really didnt think Id see this kid again... but he's trying to break into video I guess.
>-----(im sending Eru G his email addy....)<-------

after 10 minutes of shooting the shit I finally went CSI.

I asked him is his SSL had crashed yet from having a pirated copy...
he said (like many said) that he has a proper version of SSL.

it was the video plugin serial that he had got.

so I continued down this road...
(just so people dont come here looking for how to get serials im not going to post
the exact conversation...)
but lets just say im sure serato can weed out these people quite easy once they know they exist ...
we ALL KNOW serato got their security on lock and I dont want to jeopardize that.

so, I am sorry I lead people to believe he has SSL.
but, that is what he said...

I didnt go into a long diatraub about ethics...I just told him is was a dick move, and is 200.00 really worth playing with fire...
and what came back:

"I dont like it anyways... VDJ has sync so I can do other stuff with the videos and not worry about the mixing..."
no lie.
nik39 12:04 AM - 12 January, 2010
Quote:
"I dont like it anyways... VDJ has sync so I can do other stuff with the videos and not worry about the mixing..."
no lie.

Yeah, that's not a lie - VDJ can do that ;)
sixxx 12:07 AM - 12 January, 2010
lol @ his reason for not liking VSL. lol
Joshua Carl 12:08 AM - 12 January, 2010
u should see the debate we had on facebook the other day with a auto-mix guy.
(if I find it Ill post it...)
Joshua Carl 12:12 AM - 12 January, 2010
sorry for the format... I copied from FB posts (this has nothing to do with the serials issue... but I thought it was good reading based on the VDJ/traktor world)

its LOOOOONG and stupid admittedly. but if u got the time to read.


Greg Schneider How do you newbs Spin without headphones.....What the Hell is going on here...... And "mapped out sets".... Learn to play the crowd kids......
December 11, 2009 at 1:41pm via Facebook for iPhone · Comment · LikeUnlike

Matthew Costello
Wtf is that about?!?!
December 11, 2009 at 1:48pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
If I may make a point... First let me say I am undoubtedly a "newb." I have only been at this for a year and most of my time is spent building my library... But in my humble opinion, preparing a set can only improve your performance. You still always have the option of switching it up if the crowd isnt into it... But taking the time and effort to ... See Moreprepare sick mixes that you couldn't possibly make on the fly... well that just seems like a good idea...

And the spinning without headphones... thats a consequence of having a prepared mix. Since you've practiced it before hand and have que points set up, you dont need them for those mixes. Though maybe us kids should start wearing them anyways just so we dont look like newbs =P
December 11, 2009 at 2:41pm
Terry Moran
Terry Moran
stuff your crate, rock the tracks on the CROWD response - not your map - and if you don't use headphones, you are a producer, not a dj
December 11, 2009 at 3:13pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
The idea is that you try to get the crowd to respond better by playing something better. When I mix, I dont just want to go from one track to the next. As much as I possibly can, I want the mixing to Improve the final product. The way I see it, the DJ's responsibility is to the overall set, not to simply choosing the right succession of songs. So ... See Moreif the crowd responds well to vocal progressive for example, and I can give them a prepared set which sounds ALOT better than if I had to mix it on the fly... then why wouldnt I?
December 11, 2009 at 3:33pm
Greg Schneider
Greg Schneider
Please don't take offense to the post, I am ranting, but not directly at you, I have seen some other ppl do it and it disapoints me that some ppl who aren't "DJ" ing are taking paying gigs from people who have honed the skill of mixing & beatmatching for years before they head out to spin a club. Today's technology is allowing ppl to come in out of... See More no where as self proclaimed djs when they haven't spent the time and effort to learn the craft. There is more to it than playing a pre-recorded mix or 2 or 3 at a club..... And to be called a producer, you must first PRODUCE your own music.......
December 11, 2009 at 3:38pm
Greg Schneider
Greg Schneider
You are a mix show DJ..... You should have them broadcast somewhere, not play the mixes you created by using a program on your computer out at a club where everyone thinks you are spinning live.....
December 11, 2009 at 4:00pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
None taken! And please dont think I am just some arrogant prick that thinks hes the shit...Im confident but not arrogant. I see this debate as just another opportunity to learn. This is just my opinion but I am always eager to listen and learn from far more experienced DJs. You are right that the technology sucks for people like you, who had to ... See Morespend all that time and effort learning it the old fashioned way. But that doesnt mean the technology is a bad thing. See, instead of having to put in the effort to learn the old fashioned way (which I did by the way) people that are forward thinking can take advantage of the technology and spend their time and effort learning how to implement it to improve the final product. If all I did with Traktor was the same stuff someone did on CDJs, then I am wasting the technology and being lazy. On the other hand, if I put in the effort to learn how to make more complicated mashups, to mix 4 tracks at once, to use all the awesome effects to improve my sets, then this HAS to be respected. And no, I cant do all those things... yet. But I am working towards it. That is where my effort is going.
December 11, 2009 at 4:01pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
I dont understand why you say that... I am no different than you. I have all the same options as you. If the crowd doesn't like what I am playing, I always have the option to play something else, and mix on the fly. But if the crowd likes what I am playing, then why would I want to compromise the quality of the final product. There is no inherent ... See Morevalue in mixing on the fly. The DJs job is to make the crowd happy. Bottom line. If you can make them happier playing something you practiced earlier that day, then why wouldn't you?
December 11, 2009 at 4:07pm
Matthew Costello
Matthew Costello
I spin w headphones a dj controller w virtual vinyl, im an amaetur at best, i dont do trance and house so i simply dont look for gigs yhat want that...much respect for the old school vinyl and cdj guys like mr dj greg s!
December 11, 2009 at 4:09pm
Terry Moran
Terry Moran
greg - you have seen my sets - unorthodox, on the fly, all types of music off the cuff - sure I dump the songs I think I will need for the set into a serato crate, but only 10 mins before I go on, and would never play a pre produced set in a club - that just tells me that you don't have the stones to pull it off live
December 11, 2009 at 4:35pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
You're right. I dont have the balls nor the skill to pull off on the fly mixes as good as I could prepare them. Eventually, I would like to get to the point where I can. But now is not that point. Ive only been at this for a year. So for now, while I know my prepared mixes are better, It would just be laziness not to prepare. Im not in this for ... See Moremyself. Im not in this to prove I have balls. Im in this to provide the public with as good a product as I can make. And the more time and effort I put into that, the more time and effort I put into preparing my mixes... the better off ile be... right?
December 11, 2009 at 4:45pm
Terry Moran
Terry Moran
no - not right. If you came on and explained to the crowd that you were putting a pre-produced show out there, that would be right. Instead, you are fronting like what you are doing is live, and fooling the people into thinking they are seeing a live set. Pre-produced shows are for radio guys. Start there if that is what you want to do. In the... See More meantime you are taking money out of the pockets of the guys that have been perfecting their craft for years. Practice in your bedroom is key, but it won't help you decide a change in the attitude of the room and how to drop something that fixes a crowd, deck time in front of crowds will.
December 12, 2009 at 9:14am
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
1. I highly doubt too many people care. I have yet to meat any club goer that hears a House or Trance set and says: "I hope that set was mixed on the fly because that would make it so much better!" As a matter of fact, when I go to see any well established DJ, I HOPE they have prepared their set, because I want to get the best musical experience ... See Morepossible. Were not talking about a wedding DJ here. When I go to see a DJ I am going to see a performance. As with any performance, I would much rather the performer comes prepared.

2. The only reason I get gigs is because promoters and club owners see a consistent track record of great sets. (and they never seem to ask how I make them) The reason I can consistently produce great sets, at this point, is because I spend a shit load of time and effort preparing each one. If you want to call this cheating, so be it... I call it working hard to further my career.

3. In every set Ive ever played, Ive had to divert from my prepared set at one point or another and start mixing on the fly. Either because the crowd wasnt responding, I was asked to play a different style by management, because I finished my prepared set or just because it felt right. When I start mixing on the fly, I dont suddenly suck. I simply become... you... Or any DJ that mixes on the fly. Thats why im not a radio DJ. Because I still have the responsibility to respond to changing circumstances.
December 12, 2009 at 12:23pm
Terry Moran
Terry Moran
you'll understand what I mean someday - and if you are mixing trance and house - that is the easiest set to put together, so it puzzles me even more why you are pre-baking the sets, I mean how hard it is to mix from 128 to 140 with all electronic music?!?- but whatever works for you, I guess. It will always be more art than science to me, and that... See More is why I can do weddings, clubs, concerts, award shows in Vegas, corporate events, tours, galas, and work with the pats, bruins, sox and at fenway partk, etc. And there are a million kids that come into the biz every year, do whatever they want without taking the advice of a veteran, and then drift away and do something else in a few years because they could only get shows for short money - because they tried to do it their own way. There is a market for that, as you prove, but not a long lasting one. The people that lip synch too think they are putting out the same product as a live set - and not all people can tell, but some do and realize the performance is a joke. I'm in CT to do spin the most prestigous prep school's winter gala tonight - and I will walk in, set up and rock it.
December 12, 2009 at 12:58pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
Terry, I just want you to know that Im hearing everything you're saying. Its not going in one ear and out the other. I do appreciate your opinion and input that comes from what is obviously a vast amount of experience. I am not just arguing to prove myself right. Debate for me is a way to learn, so please dont think I am just some young punk =P I ... See Morecertainly appreciate you taking the time to have this argument :) Others would have said "fuck it" by now.

That said, I am still confident that I am on the right path and that your concerns are not valid :) I think we are arguing about different kinds of DJs. There are what I might call "party DJs" whose responsibility it is to basically give the crowd whatever they want. And I have all the respect in the world for these DJs. But thats not what I want to be. I want to be more akin to a live musical performer. I want people to come to see me because they like the unique music I perform. You might wonder how a DJ, who spins other people's music, sees himself in this way. Well the way I see it, the DJs artistry is in manipulating the individual tracks, mixing them in a manner that actually improves on them, so on so forth so that you are actually creating something new and unique. Its like... each track is a note and the whole DJ set is the song. How you play and combine the individual notes determines the quality of the song. For example, when a DJ does a mashup of 2 or more tracks, he is creating something new. So when you say "I mean how hard it is to mix from 128 to 140 with all electronic music?!?" You give yourself away as a party DJ. Again, no disrespect. But I am not concerned with only beatmatching 2 tracks and then fading one in and the other out. Im interested in finding 2 or more tracks that compliment each other and finding the most interesting, unique, and pleasant way to combine them. Then doing it again and again until I've created a unique, seamless musical progression from the beginning of my set to the end. And thats why its so important to prepare. Its immensely difficult to make such quality mixes on the fly. So unless you are absurdly good, you have to prepare. The singer doesnt simply go on stage and sing random notes. The singer goes on stage and sings something she has practiced and prepared a million times. Thats all I am doing. I am still mixing it live, its not like I just put a CD in and pretend to do the mixes. And some of the mashups I do, even though theyve been practiced a million times at home, take some significant skill to pull off live. And let me again say im still a "newb." These amazing mixes im talking about are what I am working towards. I can pull off some really nice sounding mixes, but its not nearly as technical and difficult as I would like it to be. You can listen to all of my sets at soundcloud.com Im not ashamed to say that those mixes were prepared because I think they are pretty good. But they dont look too impressive performed live. But for less then a year of DJing, if you aren't impressed... I would be honestly surprised. And lastly... sorry for the huge posts.... haha
December 12, 2009 at 3:51pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
this that all that needs to be said about this sad excuse for a debate:::> Watchwww.youtube.com
January 7 at 12:24pm ·
Terry Moran
Terry Moran
thanks, Josh - Leo - I get what you are saying. I just mix rock, hip hop, old school, dance house, top 40, mashups and do live mashups ON THE FLY flawlessly. Sure - I might test a few things before my set, but I do all types of music, with beats that sometimes have human drummers and kill it without pre-baking my sets. You are not the first to ... See Moredo it - there were guys that did it when I started out, and they are selling cars now and out of DJing.
Anyone can make a sweet mix cd on the computer and sound like a master, it's easy. But to play a set creatively on the fly with mixing all types of music is much harder. Call me a party jock if you will - I worked clubs for 20 years, at one point spinning 5 days a week. Now I am off to bigger and better events that pay real money. Go see Josh's set one night at the GB, you will get what I mean.
January 7 at 3:10pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
If I EVER see some one out doing this I CALL THEM OUT IMMEDIATELY...Ive done it twice... other djs have worked to hard, paracticed too long to lose a gig to a charelton!
if your not ready to play out... then DONT.
January 7 at 4:47pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
Let me clear some things up...

I can and do mix on the fly. Come by Underbar on most Fridays and Saturdays (where they often let me open without paying me) and you will see what I can do without planning out any parts of my sets. In terms of mixing, I will maybe throw in a few on the fly acapellas and effects. Not bad by any means... Just ask anyone that has heard me opening at Underbar. But other then my song choice... theres very little that I can do playing Progressive or Tech House to stand out. And neither can most DJs. Thats the point... As Terry himself said: "how hard is it to mix from 128 to 140 with all electronic music?!?"

If all DJing is about is picking the right songs for the crowd and beat matching them... how can someone stand out in terms of mixing? Some can... Some people are so good they can come up with amazing mashups and CRAZY effects that really improve their set... all on the fly. These are the upper echelon of DJs... The Peter Baileys, the Roger Sanchezes, the Danny Tenaglias. And those are my... I guess you can call them role models. Thats the quality of DJing I want to work towards. I may never achieve it, but I am not satisfied simply picking a song and beat matching it with the last one, rinse and repeat.... See More

So until I get that good... Im going to spend a ridiculous amount of time at home finding interesting and unique ways to mix tracks, and then employing what I have prepared and learned at my sets, so that I can stand out. If you are good enough not to have to do this... good for you. But if you COULD be making your sets sound better if you practice and prepare... but choose not to.... you are unnecessarily reducing the quality of your product...

Josh, I dont think you are in any position to say how much time and effort I put into what I do. Again, as an experienced DJ I respect your opinion and want to hear what you have to say, but I think it is a little arrogant to assume that you work any harder then me... As a matter of fact, I would argue the contrary. I put in a tremendous amount of effort to make my sets sound as fucking amazing as I can make them. You seem to think thats a bad thing....

Look...
www.4shared.com

Just listen to this mashup... and then tell me that any good DJ can come up with that on the fly 2 days after the tracks are released... and that I shouldnt have played it at the club because I took the time and effort to prepare it at home... Is that really what you guys are suggesting I do?

And theres more where that came from... thats just one instance... one example of the product of my effort. You are going to have to give me a REALY good reason not to play that out...
January 7 at 6:08pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
By the way, feel free to download and use that track in your sets :)
January 7 at 6:12pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
Leo, I dont know you from a hole in the wal, but why on earth would you work for free? thats a big breach of an age-old code in th DJ_ethics?
not DJ'ing live is not DJ'ing end of story...
if your not good enough to do it in person stay home...
January 7 at 6:12pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
Im trying to get noticed... and I got to open for Peter Bailey, DJ Amadeus, Eli Wilkie, and others... Seems like a good opportunity... Currently working on setting up something official. As far as "not DJ'ing live is not DJ'ing"... I dont know what you want to call "Live DJing" because as far as Im concerned... Im DJing live. If you think a DJ ... See Moreshouldnt prepare for his gigs and use practiced mixes that couldnt possibly be made on the fly, then you will have to explain why. Because I dont understand...
January 7 at 6:18pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
yeah... make a mash up. play it out. thats what young producers do...I dont think anyone is talking about that.
I do it, alot of people do it...theres entire websites that sell them....I dont know what the hell your talking about,.... Im talking about not DJ'ing for the night.
Pre-mixing the majority of the set at home, then standing there while it plays... thats a no-go.... no one does that.
from the wavie at the local bar to tiesto
January 7 at 6:18pm ·
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
exactly.
why ruin such AMAZING opportunity by doing what 99.999% Djs DESPISE... If I had a touring DJ watching my everymove the last thing Id do is fake it...
A very good friend gave me some great advice years ago about DJ'in EDM. play everyset like you idol DJ is watching everymove over your shoulder.
again... we are talking about playing pre-... See Moremixed sets, produced mash-ups and edits.
when you get a chance to open as a young dj there are 2 rules, 1. your an opener; play the part. 2. be technically flawless...
January 7 at 6:24pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
All the mixes I do live. Nothing is pre-recorded. But what I do is often prepare what tracks I want to play and if I can, find interesting ways to mix them. If theres no interesting way to mix em... then I do it the old fashioned way. Beat match and go. But if I can find an unique and interesting way to mix from track to track, I will practice it ... See Moreand then perform it live. And if the crowd is liking what I give them, I will keep giving them these practiced mixes. If they dont like it, I will try something else. As far as I can tell, all I am doing is trying to give the crowd a product that I have put alot of effort into to make it better then it could have been had I tried to mix tracks on the fly.
January 7 at 6:24pm
Greg Schneider
Greg Schneider
It's not about playing 1 track or mashup that you created.... We ALL do that.... I watched you play for about 1 1/2 hours with out headphones... And you told me it was pre recorded at your house.... So how about this..... When you bill yourself out...dOn't say you are "spinning" or "djing", cuz your not really.... Instead of leading ppl on, you say something like ... Come see me play my mix CDs.....
January 7 at 6:26pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
oh... really ...
is that what your doing Leo??
(thats really isnt what I expected...)
January 7 at 6:27pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
Ah... ok so maybe theres a misunderstanding.... I dont pre-record anything... I just practice the mixes I perform live before I perform them... And about not using headphones... thats Traktor for ya... Sync feature...
January 7 at 6:27pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
well... fuckbeans. SYNC is just as bad.
I have seen a guy get his ass kicked for using sync..literally.
no joke...

thats for wedding djs...come on man!!!!... See More

the only time sync asst programs are ok (when billing yourself out as a performer) is when you are doing a live PA
January 7 at 6:29pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
The only difference is that the decisions of which track to play and how to mix them are not being made live. The actual act of mixing is still done live. I just have already decided earlier that I want to mix track A and track B and how I am going to mix it.
January 7 at 6:30pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
And thats only done when I think I have some very interesting mixes... If I cant come up with something extra special... I might as well just do it on the fly no? Save me a ton of time...
January 7 at 6:30pm
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
haha... well... this is a toughy... I could beatmatch... I do it all the time when I am going back and forth with another DJ at Suite. So... should I do it anyways even tho I can save myself the time by pressing one button when I am on traktor?... Heres my philosophy on this. If the time you save using the sync feature isnt used to improve the set... See More... you are just being lazy. But if you use that time messing with the effects or preparing acapellas or mashups... then why not. What I might agree with though is that the more practice I have beat matching by ear the better...
January 7 at 6:36pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
well, like anything theres the "proper way" and the "quick and easy way"... and if your more interested in "saving time" and not reading the vibe in the room... its not like your taking money out of anyone's wallet. But I can tell you 1 indisputable fact: the DJ game is built on respect, and if your cheating the game it wont be long before you have become blacklisted.
January 7 at 6:37pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
But really... how impressive is beat matching... why is beat matching the measure of a DJ... Its not a very difficult technique... at least for me...
January 7 at 6:37pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
NEITHER ARE FREE-THROWS IN BASKETBALL.
January 7 at 6:38pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
haha... interesting argument... Like I said though, I never just stand around. Either I use the saved time to try and read the crowd, to find the next track, to set up que points for a better mix... to fuck with effects... I just think theres alot more creative things we can be doing with our time... Again, im not just saying that because I cant do it. I can...
January 7 at 6:41pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
90% of newbies that use the "i use automix so i can do other things" statement... are RARELY doing other things... if you cant tweak an effects knob at the same time as keeping a finger on the pitch control ...keep practicing till you get it. then come out...heheh "other stuff"
your not juggling.
your not scratching
your not phasing
your using on board effects....Ive seen it... we have ALL seen it.... it takes a millisecond to engage an effect.
January 7 at 6:46pm ·
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
this kinda sums trying to tell someone who thinks they are doing the right thing....when they are not
Watchwww.youtube.com
January 7 at 6:49pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
Youre mean!... But funny. But I will let Richie Hawtin speak for me punk!

Watchwww.youtube.com

And no im not that good... But what hes doing is what I am working towards. His style is the Future. I think some people are just stuck in the past
January 7 at 6:54pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
thats exactly what Im saying Leo.
WORK TOWARDs THAT.
and when you get there...then come on out and play.
coming out pre-mature and taking short cuts....
we'll.. you'll regret it.... See More
January 7 at 6:59pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
No I said my set was prepared Greg. I never said pre-recorded... All my mixes are done live... They are just practiced in advance... You are welcome to come watch me at Underbar if you really want to... Im not hiding anything. As for shit breaking? What happens when a CDJ breaks? It happened at Suite, and there was no backup, so I ended up spinning on my laptop all night instead of the other guy because my comp connects directly to the mixer...

Technology is technology. Would it hurt to learn CDJs? Absolutely not... But dont criticize me for it because I choose to spend the time getting better at Traktor.

Josh... I hear what you're saying... and Ive actually recently made a concerted effort to use Timecodes. Its just not always ez on limited funds. (I dont have CDJs) I practice a little at the Club but once people get there I am afraid to fuck up... Keep in mind I have only been at this for a year... and most of the time is spent finding music...... See More

The most important thing I would like you guys to take away from this is that im not taking any shortcuts. I work my fucking ass off to improve... Respect my hustle... even if its a little different than yours...
January 7 at 7:11pm
Joshua Carl Hall
Joshua Carl Hall
yeah... my original statement here still remains.... if your are cheating, and I see it...I will call you out.
thats all.
if not... than no one has any worries.
January 7 at 7:23pm ·
Leo Fabrikant
Leo Fabrikant
I love you too!
January 7 at 7:26pm
Joshua Carl 12:16 AM - 12 January, 2010
ahhh... it cut off some of the statements...
Joshua Carl 12:24 AM - 12 January, 2010
ok... I moved that here:> serato.com
(full post nothing deleted)

I didnt want this conversation to get TOOOO off topic
Joshua Carl 9:17 PM - 13 January, 2010
serato.com

trying to move serials on craigslist
RogerRabbit 9:46 PM - 13 January, 2010
Quote:
serato.com

trying to move serials on craigslist


Quote:

All you're doing is putting this illegal sale in front of more people. Some common sense would be appreciated.
Joshua Carl 9:52 PM - 13 January, 2010
the link has been gone since I posted this over here... so, thats neither here nor there.

and if u go back to the person in question on this thread I exercised that same common sense by sending that info to a mod, rather than posting.
imallama 8:05 PM - 18 January, 2010
somebody on craigslist is selling the "cracked" serial number. i'm not sure if i should post up the link or not, but i'm sending this over to a serato guy right now.
Free Man 8:12 PM - 18 January, 2010
i wonder if they can deactivate it...
Free Man 8:13 PM - 18 January, 2010
also curious where it came from... like if it was a test account to start with
imallama 8:48 PM - 18 January, 2010
Quote:
also curious where it came from... like if it was a test account to start with


yeah, i don't know either. it's a bummer that this kind of stuff happens though. :/
Free Man 8:51 PM - 18 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
also curious where it came from... like if it was a test account to start with


yeah, i don't know either. it's a bummer that this kind of stuff happens though. :/


+1... its great software and worth paying for... maybe people figure it should be part of SSL therefore free if you have the hardware... I hope that they can crash the crack. i'd love to see the reaction of someone who is getting paid for a video gig... they show up and poof, no video
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:57 PM - 18 January, 2010
they should have a "broke ass DJ" watermark suddenly appear where the DEMO watermark usually is when its found pirated
Free Man 9:01 PM - 18 January, 2010
They have a demo version. even better than a watermark, you cant take the video window and display it on an external window...

I was at a club once and through the speakers was a really loud yell... "THIS SONG WAS DOWNLOADED ILLEGALLY"

ha ha...

if they could make that come on every few minutes i'd be rotfl
imallama 9:01 PM - 18 January, 2010
Quote:
they should have a "broke ass DJ" watermark suddenly appear where the DEMO watermark usually is when its found pirated


HAHAHA. that'd be hilarious. either that or a big FAIL watermark that obstructs the users screen so they can't use VSL.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:13 PM - 18 January, 2010
Quote:
They have a demo version. even better than a watermark, you cant take the video window and display it on an external window...l


acutually i have the demo you can def use it on an external window it just says DEMO over the video
Free Man 10:03 PM - 18 January, 2010
hmmmmm.... guess i'm just retarded... it was a while ago that i used it... downloaded it, used it for 30 minutes and then bought it...
Laz219 3:28 AM - 19 January, 2010
I'm thinking with "the bridge" a lot of people will be using cracked versions of ableton that could take down SSL mid set,
kryptonitednb 1:12 PM - 21 January, 2010
Attn: mods

I found someone on Craigslist selling serial numbers for VSLfor $50. Who should I send the link to?
Serato, Support
ChrisD 9:36 PM - 21 January, 2010
Quote:
Attn: mods

I found someone on Craigslist selling serial numbers for VSLfor $50. Who should I send the link to?

web@serato.com

Thanks kryptonitednb.
kryptonitednb 9:53 PM - 21 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Attn: mods

I found someone on Craigslist selling serial numbers for VSLfor $50. Who should I send the link to?

web@serato.com

Thanks kryptonitednb.


E-mail sent. Thanks Chris
DJ Bushido 2:35 AM - 10 February, 2010
You think that's Gay, Look at This:
lasvegas.craigslist.org
This guy is giving out a Serial Number. I hate the fact, If you are a DJ, you have to sell out people. I am not makin big bucks in my residents, but I still will pay Serato Full Price for a Great Product.

Serato people sould find out this guy, and find out how is buying the serial, then sue his ass.
DJ Bushido 2:35 AM - 10 February, 2010
or Fine him at that.
Joshua Carl 2:37 AM - 10 February, 2010
going forward, send those to web@serato.com

putting them on here is just like advertising it
(it pops up in a google search)
DJ Bushido 2:50 AM - 10 February, 2010
oh, Okay will do
Mix Masta Mullet 8:02 PM - 23 August, 2010
man these kids were lying. if you search video sl crack on the web you get nothing, i just did it. i wouldnt use it even if there was one, its not worth the hassle of it crashing on you mid-performance.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:11 PM - 23 August, 2010
LOL last sat the manager of one of the other area clubs popped in as i was warming up and started trying to weasel info out of me on equipment\software\music (his boss is pening a new club) ANd he asked how much i paid for VSL, i told him and his eyes got huge, he went into the whole "I NEVER pay for software i can hack that" LMFAO, i told him i dout he could and he dipped out on a MISSION to prove me wrong. Dudes prob in his house right now trying to figure otu a way to steal it for the new club
O.B.1 3:26 AM - 24 August, 2010
@ Mix Masta Mullet,
Do you really have a sweet mullet?
I still have my rat tail!
\m/ \m/
Free Man 3:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
Quote:
LOL last sat the manager of one of the other area clubs popped in as i was warming up and started trying to weasel info out of me on equipment\software\music (his boss is pening a new club) ANd he asked how much i paid for VSL, i told him and his eyes got huge, he went into the whole "I NEVER pay for software i can hack that" LMFAO, i told him i dout he could and he dipped out on a MISSION to prove me wrong. Dudes prob in his house right now trying to figure otu a way to steal it for the new club


Damn... should have said it is free and told him where to download it... SSL is free too... heres a link...
Laz219 6:59 AM - 25 August, 2010
VSL has been 'hacked' before. Serato is usually pretty quick to find the serials and blacklist them though.
I have had a few people come up to me and complain that they couldn't get SSL to look "like that" (pointing at my screen) when they got it off a 'cracked' torrent and "VDJ is better anyway"
I usually just point to the interface and say "that is the only crack for SSL"
deepdjdanny 9:33 AM - 25 August, 2010
VDJ with SSL skin
DJN1X0N 1:56 AM - 29 March, 2011
The only way I think you could "crack" serato, is to make your computer think that you have Rane Hardware connected.
SMOKE DOGG BITCH 2:43 AM - 29 March, 2011
should 'crack" him in the fucking head for saying/doing something so dumb
The Return of Dj Sparky 2:53 AM - 29 March, 2011
vsl is based on a serial key so that can be cracked,


and in theory a usb soundcard could be flashed with firmware to work,

so its not so dumb.
Laz219 2:53 AM - 29 March, 2011
Possible, definitely not an easy crack though (compared to most programs)
RogerRabbit 4:51 AM - 29 March, 2011
Quote:
Possible, definitely not an easy crack though (compared to most programs)

Entire Os's have been hacked so this should be no problem... The thing is hackers want things for free - that's why vdj or tracktor is a easier target - they have a interface that is ready to be used immediately.. With ssl the hacker would still need to go buy and asio sound card to take advantage of the interface.
Laz219 8:08 AM - 29 March, 2011
That's my point, I know anything could be hacked and people will do it. SSL is just a much more complicated target than Traktor/VDJ which only require software cracks to work. SSL is most likely going to require flashing something like a Maya44 into pretending it's an SL-1.

I did come across a project a while back of people that were trying to port SSL to linux. They were basically intercepting the communication between the SL-1 and laptop to try and get it to run. No idea if they were ever successful or what happened to the project, just something I saw a while back.
fcprod1 8:00 PM - 29 March, 2011
there is a guy on the local craigslist asking for a serato install disk. He needs it asap becuase of a gig he has. SMH
Serato, Support
ChrisD 9:27 PM - 29 March, 2011
Dude's, go find another forum to discuss cracking our's and other people's intellectual property.
9:28 PM, 29 Mar 2011
Discussion locked by ChrisD