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Rane 72: First Impressions

Chino 2:01 AM - 1 June, 2018
My past & recent experience with some inMusic Brand products has been less than stellar. The news of inMusic Brand purchasing Rane was a mortal blow from the DJ Gods. Akai, Denon and now the legendary Rane- all gobbled up by a corporate umbrella more concerned with the bottom line than releasing quality products. There IS light at the end of the tunnel, though… the Rane 72 is finally here!

At first glance, it looks as if the Rane 62 & the Pioneer S9 got busy one lonely night and out came the Rane 72 (9 months later). IMHO, that is a good thing! The Rane 72 has not only inherited all the great features of the Rane 62 & Pioneer S9 BUT it has VASTLY improved them!! That being said- I will concentrate on three major topics; build quality, features and initial performance.

At first, I was extremely worried when I learned that inMusic Brand had moved manufacturing overseas and allegedly only kept 6 legacy Rane engineers on payroll. My fears subsided after my Rane 72 arrived & I opened the box. Thankfully, Rane's legendary build quality has remained!! The 72 sports an all metal enclosure, Akai MPC style pads, and a very useful touch screen. The Mag Three faders with tension adjustment are a BIG improvement over the faders in my Rane 62. The Akai MPC style pads on the 72 dwarf the tiny, hard buttons on my Rane 62 both in size & performance. The pads feel great! The mixer's black mat finish is also high quality and should last a long time.

Feature wise, the Rane 72 really stands out. The effects in combination with the 4.3 inch touch screen is extremely useful & fun. The screen displays moving wave forms,song count down info, key, sync & BPM info. The screen also allows users to adjust mixer & effect settings in real time and provides a 'Korg Kaoss' pad-like surface to engage the effects. The pads on the 72 are without a doubt the best I have experienced in a mixer! I also like that you can assign separate functions for the left and right side set of pads. 'Transport' mode on the Rane 72 is also a nice added feature. One area I would like to see improved is the echo effect. No matter how much I played with the adjustments, I could not get the echo to my liking. I prefer the louder, 'punchy' echo of the Rane 62 and even the S9 has a much better echo effect.

The last but probably the most important topic I need to discuss is the initial performance of the Rane 72 mixer. This is a MAJOR concern for me given that I earn a living off of DJing. I cannot afford to have any freezes, crashes or other hiccups during gigs. In the two- 3 hour long tests, my Rane 72 performed well. The mixer connected with SDJ Pro right away. The touch screen displayed the wave forms smoothly. There was no lag when switching between wave form view & effects. I experienced no freezes or crashes of any kind (knock on wood). So far, everything works as it should. Please take my feedback as an INITIAL impression ONLY! Circumstances can & often will change given time. I will include my computer specs and Serato DJ Pro settings below.

Overall, I remain cautiously optimistic about my Rane 72. I need to see how the 72 performs at a couple of 4-5 hour long gigs before I give it my final seal of approval. I do want to give a SHOUT OUT & RESPECT to the 6 original Rane engineers!! All their hard work definitely shows!! As always, I will report back my findings after 3 months or so of real world gig use. Please feel free to ask any questions, list any feature suggestion and/or report any issues in this thread.

-DJ Chino

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.11.5 2.6 i7 quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
SDJ Pro 2.0.2
SDJ Pro settings:
USB audjo buffer- 5ms
Maximum Screen Updates Per Second set to 30
Hi-Res Screen Display OFF
Sync OFF
Pitch N' Time ON
Mix Emergency 2.7.1
Chino 2:37 PM - 1 June, 2018
Forgot to talk about the sound quality of the Rane 72. It definitely sounds just as good as my Rane 62.

*For anyone who still owns/uses Denon 3900s… Im currently using mine with the 72. They work great and the USB hubs in the back of the mixer are very convenient!*
Aptidda 5:59 PM - 1 June, 2018
Wow what an AMAZING setup and I concur that the Rane 72 is HANDS DOWN THE upper crust pick of the litter. It's the HAUTE MONDE of the DJ Mixer world, there isn't a single mixer on the market that EVEN COMES CLOSE.

Sure, in good time Pioneer will release some shoddy ass plastic POS with a screen and the despised and inferior Rekordshiat software. Surely the faceplate will scrape off and the knobs will lose their color and it will sound like a heaping pile of excrement.

All you haters out there either; A.) Don’t have the means for a Rane 72 or B.) Secretly wish you had a 72 and don’t want to “come out of the closet”. That about sums it all up.
r3k0 11:21 PM - 3 June, 2018
:D
DJ Tecniq 12:03 AM - 4 June, 2018
The fx are much more user friendly on the S9. Not everyone wants to fuck with a touchscreen and go back n forth etc changing modes when the fx buttons are at your fingertips on the S9. The workflow is much more convenient.
DJ Tecniq 12:05 AM - 4 June, 2018
And the Pioneer fx alone shit all over Serato’s fx esp the horrible echo out. Even the clean echo out still sounds like trash. I’ll take convenience over flashy any day👌🏼
r3k0 12:30 AM - 4 June, 2018
Il take a brickshithouse built mixer over a piece of shite plastic anyday :-P
DJ Tecniq 1:33 AM - 4 June, 2018
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Il take a brickshithouse built mixer over a piece of shite plastic anyday :-P
i happen to like silicone keep rocking those knobs that look like itty bitty titties👌🏼
r3k0 1:40 AM - 4 June, 2018
I got custom knurled ally knobs on mine, more metal the better ;)
Djkom 2:44 PM - 4 June, 2018
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The fx are much more user friendly on the S9. Not everyone wants to fuck with a touchscreen and go back n forth etc changing modes when the fx buttons are at your fingertips on the S9. The workflow is much more convenient.


Fully agree ! When I tested the 72 to b, even if it's a pure beast, I felt so annoyed by the workflows (loops, fx, browse, screen modes...etc) that I kept my S9...waiting for a s9 mk2 or even a R9
Aptidda 3:24 PM - 4 June, 2018
changing modes and going back and fourth for effects? LMAO. I simply use the casted all metal effects toggle to turn my efx on and off. Not some plastic POS toggle like on the S9.
YZ 3:59 PM - 4 June, 2018
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i happen to like silicone keep rocking those knobs that look like itty bitty titties👌🏼


... how would you know what titties look like Pioneer boy?
Chino 7:20 PM - 4 June, 2018
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When I tested the 72 to b, even if it's a pure beast, I felt so annoyed by the workflows (loops, fx, browse, screen modes...etc)


Interesting because I had the opposite reaction. In my experience, the work flow seemed natural coming off of a Rane 62. I was able to pick up the work flow pretty quickly. I'm not up to the level of muscle memory YET but once I am- I will be able to do some very creative things with the 72.

IMHO,The fx touch screen in combination with having separate pad functions on either side make the 72 extremely versatile. The mobile DJ in me also appreciates have 2 mics.

Either way, work flow is very subjective. I recommend using whichever product works best for you & enables you to perform at your best.
dj_soo 2:27 AM - 5 June, 2018
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Forgot to talk about the sound quality of the Rane 72. It definitely sounds just as good as my Rane 62.

*For anyone who still owns/uses Denon 3900s… Im currently using mine with the 72. They work great and the USB hubs in the back of the mixer are very convenient!*


This is going to be my setup whenever Canada gets a shipment of 72s
R-Tistic 9:53 AM - 5 June, 2018
I'm on my first night with the 72, and eh....the effects are one of the main reasons I upgraded, and I feel I made a mistake by choosing this over the S9, coming from a 62.

Anyone who's seen my quick mix videos would understand how necessary it is for me to have ease in getting to the effects extremely quick...primarily the reverb and echo. It is too tricky to move fast on the 72 when it comes to changing between these two on the Flex FX option, and even worse if you try to use the waveforms or song select option on the screen instead of the effects. Jumping between the measurements of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, etc also takes much longer because you have to touch the screen and then use the knob.

I feel like outside of the effects, almost everything about this mixer is better than the S9 and 62....but because the effects are such an integral part of my style, I'm seriously considering getting a refund and getting the S9 instead. I'm gonna give it a few days, but I don't think I'm gonna grow to loving that part of it.
Ollie DJ 12:57 PM - 5 June, 2018
Totally agree with the above, I have both a S9 And 72 and the effects on the 72 let it down as well as complicated loop functions. You cant see the loop size except by looking at the computer. They need to add this feature to the mixer screen.

If they could fix a few small faults it would be an amazing mixer.
Chino 1:36 PM - 5 June, 2018
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You cant see the loop size except by looking at the computer. They need to add this feature to the mixer screen.


+1. I do like the idea of a visual representation of the loop size on the mixer screen.

At first, I was confused about how the loop function worked until I realized the pads directly correspond to what is on the screen in SDJ Pro. For example, if you want a 4 bar loop just press the corresponding pad. If you want to turn off the loop, press the pad a second time. Simple.

Now, I find myself using the loop function on my 72 more than I did on my Rane 62 mixer.
Chino 1:44 PM - 5 June, 2018
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I feel like outside of the effects, almost everything about this mixer is better than the S9 and 62


I agree. Maybe Rane can upgrade the effects via firmware updates?
YZ 3:33 PM - 5 June, 2018
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I feel like outside of the effects, almost everything about this mixer is better than the S9 and 62


I agree. Maybe Rane can upgrade the effects via firmware updates?


They can and the software the mixer runs internally (at some point) may change but if you're banking on that, don't hold your breath if you're waiting for them to remap hardware buttons to serve as dedicated FX or FlexFX options.
Aptidda 3:46 PM - 5 June, 2018
just use a footswitch if you need to turn effects on and off quickly. Also Serato is working on post fader effects for the 72.
R-Tistic 4:13 PM - 5 June, 2018
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just use a footswitch if you need to turn effects on and off quickly. Also Serato is working on post fader effects for the 72.


Lmaoooo. Gotta be a pianist just to get effects working, huh? That’s tooooo much.

What did they say about working on the post fader effects?
Aptidda 4:33 PM - 5 June, 2018
well if I were you I would get a 3 lever foot switch. Middle to select the effect and left and right and toggle between efx. But wait, that's a little "toooooo much" for you. I would figure not using you hands at all to switch between efx would be much better anyway.
YZ 6:22 PM - 5 June, 2018
The foot switch is actually a great alternative and fairly cheap. I ran one on my 57 to toggle loops, it becomes 2nd nature after awhile. Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
Aptidda 8:17 PM - 5 June, 2018
ya seriously, can you drive a car? utilize a steering wheel and modulate the gas and break pedals at the same time? Pshhhh, the ineptness of the community baffles me at times.
Mr. Goodkat 8:18 PM - 5 June, 2018
'just get a foot switch' is probably still not the best option for anyone. its clear this thing was gonna be a bust from the jump an the s9 and 62 make more sense BECAUSE of the simplicity.

If anything a mixer like this should or could have been pushed a little bit on the techno/house guys because they have more time between songs to mess around with a screen.

Not sure why anyone that quick mixes open format tunes, which is what Serato has always been the most useful, would want all that stufff.

It reminded me of that god awful djm 2000, which if you are gonna mix a tune every 3-5 minutes is fine, but if you just need to keep it moving, is slow.

aptidda you were wrong just admit it.
YZ 8:25 PM - 5 June, 2018
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'just get a foot switch' is probably still not the best option for anyone. its clear this thing was gonna be a bust from the jump an the s9 and 62 make more sense BECAUSE of the simplicity.


Yes, currently it is given it's current state. Besides, if you have a problem with the 72... why don't you just use one of the other 2 you mentioned then? Better yet, if you're talking simplicity, just cop a gemini scratchmaster if simple is your concern. I have tons of DJ friends who only use vinyl still vlbecauae they think the 57sl and 62 is complicated. These people need to be irradiated from earth. We're living in a tech age, nut up and have some balls... Maybe you'll learn a thing or 2.
Mr. Goodkat 8:43 PM - 5 June, 2018
nut up and have some balls, lol

i think im gonna get one of those scratchmasters, had one in 92
Aptidda 8:54 PM - 5 June, 2018
sheesh, screen envy is a thing!
R-Tistic 10:23 PM - 5 June, 2018
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ya seriously, can you drive a car? utilize a steering wheel and modulate the gas and break pedals at the same time? Pshhhh, the ineptness of the community baffles me at times.


You're out of pocket. It's ALL about preference and style. You gotta think about a LOT of things....in the club, where there may not even be adequate space to use a petal. That's also taking a lot of coordination if you're moving fast as hell. This isn't driving, it's DJing. We're already doing way more with our hands that simply steering.
R-Tistic 10:26 PM - 5 June, 2018
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'just get a foot switch' is probably still not the best option for anyone. its clear this thing was gonna be a bust from the jump an the s9 and 62 make more sense BECAUSE of the simplicity.


Yes, currently it is given it's current state. Besides, if you have a problem with the 72... why don't you just use one of the other 2 you mentioned then? Better yet, if you're talking simplicity, just cop a gemini scratchmaster if simple is your concern. I have tons of DJ friends who only use vinyl still vlbecauae they think the 57sl and 62 is complicated. These people need to be irradiated from earth. We're living in a tech age, nut up and have some balls... Maybe you'll learn a thing or 2.


Y'all are truly ridiculous.

Using the 62 and S9 is much more complicated than any outdated mixers, yet it's perfect for me and not too advanced. I just prefer not having to use a MF'n foot petal along with it..and that's not to say I need to go back to a 1992 Gemini mixer.

As I said above....having a petal isn't conducive to every environment I'll be DJing in. And even still, it's just a lot better for me to use my hands with it, because I move FAST fast when I'm doing quick mix videos, and I need to use more than just one effect when doing them.

Y'all can't be this much of fan boys to where you criticize anyone who has a complaint about the mixers. Everyone's style is different, so some folks won't even use the effects at all, while some will use them and love them to death. Beyond the switching, they don't even sound as good as the S9 or 62! The echo is trash on it.
Chino 10:28 PM - 5 June, 2018
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They can and the software the mixer runs internally (at some point) may change but if you're banking on that, don't hold your breath if you're waiting for them to remap hardware buttons to serve as dedicated FX or FlexFX options.


Personally, I don't need any of the buttons remapped. I would like to see the FlexFX echo improved (louder & "fuller/punchier") via a firmware update. Other than that, I'm currently happy/content with the workflow & the mixer in general.

I use effects as an accent to my mixes. IMHO, effects are like icing on a cake… put too much on & the taste of the cake itself is ruined.
CMOS 10:59 PM - 5 June, 2018
I dont like the idea of a touchscreen on the mixer. I need tactile control.

I need to be able to change a function without looking at it, while at the same time taking a request and stopping someone from putting a drink on the booth.

Every video I see of the 72, whenever they use the touch screen they are hunched over and squinting worse than any serato face.
Aptidda 11:25 PM - 5 June, 2018
whatever you need to tell yourself guys, whatever ya need to tell yourself......
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:31 PM - 5 June, 2018
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whatever you need to tell yourself guys, whatever ya need to tell yourself......


this is you all over trying to reassure yourself that the 72 is the best thing ever, it's not

you call the mixer the king well lets put it on a throne

ibb.co
Aptidda 11:35 PM - 5 June, 2018
its the king of scratch mixers that's without a doubt! Now get onto your knees and hail the KING THE RANE 72!
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:38 PM - 5 June, 2018
you should get off your knees and take that rane 7.2" dick out your mouth
Robbie O 3:18 PM - 6 June, 2018
Feature for Feature, the 72 probably wins. But if you have used the S9 and gotten used the workflow, I think the S9 still has a slight edge due to practicality and effects...For me the 2 Auto-Loop buttons (that default to a 1 bar) on each side have saved me too many times. I think the 72 looks dope, but the only significant advantage the 72 has is the Independent Pads on each side.

72 is a must buy If you only had the 62.
R-Tistic 6:13 PM - 6 June, 2018
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Feature for Feature, the 72 probably wins. But if you have used the S9 and gotten used the workflow, I think the S9 still has a slight edge due to practicality and effects...For me the 2 Auto-Loop buttons (that default to a 1 bar) on each side have saved me too many times. I think the 72 looks dope, but the only significant advantage the 72 has is the Independent Pads on each side.

72 is a must buy If you only had the 62.



This makes total sense.

For me, I own the 62, but I always have my sound man set up the S9, so I use it just as much. If I never touched it, I probably wouldn’t have as much of a problem with the 72, but even still, the 62 effects and loops are easier.
Mr. Goodkat 7:02 PM - 6 June, 2018
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72 is a must buy If you only had the 62.


nah the 62 is fine.

i thought about it last nite at my gig. the layout is perfect, the buttons kinda suck, but still usable and really nothing is perfect.

the s9 is dope i had one for a hot second. for some reason Serato dj and dj pro only work with certain mixers for me and the S9 is not one. S9 efx are really good and the xfader is too. The other thing that gets me is do see quite a bit of ppl complaining about getting them fixed and the cost of the fix. stuff like this twitter.com
Djkom 7:07 PM - 6 June, 2018
Questions:
Do you guys using Serato FXs which are not in Hardware FXs list ? If yes, which ones ?
Do you use also many FX at a time ?

I'm quite sure there will be way less than 5% of 72/S9 users who will answer yes to these 3 questions...in a way it's not a bad point, but I'm sure djs use a lot more loops and basic Hardware FXs.
The Serato 6 FXs buttons on the S9 are a pure waist of space...on the 72, even if it's possible to combine those FXs, there are no dedicated loop sections and the layout is too busy...
dj_soo 8:10 PM - 6 June, 2018
when I'm on my 62 + SP1, I might use a software effect a couple times a set. Mostly I use echo and a filter so I'm not super concerned with the clunkier 72 effect controls as I'll likely leave it on echo and that's about it.

Something can be said about the advantage in feel and muscle memory of physical buttons tho.
R-Tistic 10:06 PM - 6 June, 2018
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Questions:
Do you guys using Serato FXs which are not in Hardware FXs list ? If yes, which ones ?
Do you use also many FX at a time ?

I'm quite sure there will be way less than 5% of 72/S9 users who will answer yes to these 3 questions...in a way it's not a bad point, but I'm sure djs use a lot more loops and basic Hardware FXs.
The Serato 6 FXs buttons on the S9 are a pure waist of space...on the 72, even if it's possible to combine those FXs, there are no dedicated loop sections and the layout is too busy...


This is true. I always ignored the FX on the S9. I really don't know many DJs who use the internal Serato FX. The pre-fader issue is just huge when doing reverbs and echos, so it's no point.
dj_soo 10:59 PM - 6 June, 2018
I occasionally use the Termolo effect for builds and since turntable stop response tends to be shit on DJ with Pitch n Time activated, I use the Braker effect when I want that turntable stop sound (when I remember to use it).
Aptidda 11:47 PM - 6 June, 2018
My honest first impression when opening the Rane 72 and using for the first time.

WOW this mixer:
-smells amazing
-is built like no other mixer out there and is SOLID AF
-has the dopest built in MPC pads that are touch velocity adjustable
-is so great that it has a built in screen so I can use my mac mini without a stupid ass monitor
-the faders are super smooth, and WOW the cut in time on the fader and up faders is SOOO much better than ANY other mixer I have owned or used
-enables you to use two different features on opposite sides of the pads, incredible- no other mixer does that
-is the best mixer I have ever used or messed with in every aspect
-sounds amazing
-has incredible support and customer service
-has really exceptional built in effects
-has a korg kaoss type touch screen to trigger effects, SO DOPE
-has all these mic inputs and features
-has the best WORKFLOW of any other mixer I have used

All in all, very happy I sold my S9 plastic piece of trash for top dollar a few months ago. If I ever really wanted I could just go on craigslist or ebay and pick up a mint S9 for around $600 anyways, but nah- no one wants that trash anymore.
Mr. Goodkat 12:07 AM - 7 June, 2018
i guess those rane check cash, hope you're getting the big $$$
DJ Tecniq 4:18 AM - 7 June, 2018
Let’s be real the Pioneer fx sound way better than the shitty SDJ fx. On the S9 i stick with the Pioneer fx on the left i don’t even fuck with SDJ fx the echo out is horrible and the fx alone are just not tight enough and seem off beat...truth hurts🤷🏼‍♂️
Djkom 7:03 AM - 7 June, 2018
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My honest first impression when opening the Rane 72 and using for the first time.

WOW this mixer:
-smells amazing
-is built like no other mixer out there and is SOLID AF
-has the dopest built in MPC pads that are touch velocity adjustable
-is so great that it has a built in screen so I can use my mac mini without a stupid ass monitor
-the faders are super smooth, and WOW the cut in time on the fader and up faders is SOOO much better than ANY other mixer I have owned or used
-enables you to use two different features on opposite sides of the pads, incredible- no other mixer does that
-is the best mixer I have ever used or messed with in every aspect
-sounds amazing
-has incredible support and customer service
-has really exceptional built in effects
-has a korg kaoss type touch screen to trigger effects, SO DOPE
-has all these mic inputs and features
-has the best WORKFLOW of any other mixer I have used

All in all, very happy I sold my S9 plastic piece of trash for top dollar a few months ago. If I ever really wanted I could just go on craigslist or ebay and pick up a mint S9 for around $600 anyways, but nah- no one wants that trash anymore.


Share with us your "honest" impression of some "amazing" workflows you have with the 72 against the S9...🤔

How you quickly change one hardware fx to another with different beat length ?

How do you quickly make flanger fx then spin back with different beat length ?

How do you quickly do a loop then divide 1/2 it then echo out or spin back ?
R-Tistic 8:16 AM - 7 June, 2018
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My honest first impression when opening the Rane 72 and using for the first time.

WOW this mixer:
-smells amazing
-is built like no other mixer out there and is SOLID AF
-has the dopest built in MPC pads that are touch velocity adjustable
-is so great that it has a built in screen so I can use my mac mini without a stupid ass monitor
-the faders are super smooth, and WOW the cut in time on the fader and up faders is SOOO much better than ANY other mixer I have owned or used
-enables you to use two different features on opposite sides of the pads, incredible- no other mixer does that
-is the best mixer I have ever used or messed with in every aspect
-sounds amazing
-has incredible support and customer service
-has really exceptional built in effects
-has a korg kaoss type touch screen to trigger effects, SO DOPE
-has all these mic inputs and features
-has the best WORKFLOW of any other mixer I have used

All in all, very happy I sold my S9 plastic piece of trash for top dollar a few months ago. If I ever really wanted I could just go on craigslist or ebay and pick up a mint S9 for around $600 anyways, but nah- no one wants that trash anymore.


Share with us your "honest" impression of some "amazing" workflows you have with the 72 against the S9...🤔

How you quickly change one hardware fx to another with different beat length ?

How do you quickly make flanger fx then spin back with different beat length ?

How do you quickly do a loop then divide 1/2 it then echo out or spin back ?


All of this. Depending on your style, these can be very important.

I'm slowly adjusting to the 72, but still not in love. And I feel that when I use the S9 this weekend at a few of the clubs I'm working, I'm gonna wish I had picked it up instead.
Aptidda 4:15 PM - 7 June, 2018
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My honest first impression when opening the Rane 72 and using for the first time.

WOW this mixer:
-smells amazing
-is built like no other mixer out there and is SOLID AF
-has the dopest built in MPC pads that are touch velocity adjustable
-is so great that it has a built in screen so I can use my mac mini without a stupid ass monitor
-the faders are super smooth, and WOW the cut in time on the fader and up faders is SOOO much better than ANY other mixer I have owned or used
-enables you to use two different features on opposite sides of the pads, incredible- no other mixer does that
-is the best mixer I have ever used or messed with in every aspect
-sounds amazing
-has incredible support and customer service
-has really exceptional built in effects
-has a korg kaoss type touch screen to trigger effects, SO DOPE
-has all these mic inputs and features
-has the best WORKFLOW of any other mixer I have used

All in all, very happy I sold my S9 plastic piece of trash for top dollar a few months ago. If I ever really wanted I could just go on craigslist or ebay and pick up a mint S9 for around $600 anyways, but nah- no one wants that trash anymore.


Share with us your "honest" impression of some "amazing" workflows you have with the 72 against the S9...🤔

How you quickly change one hardware fx to another with different beat length ?

How do you quickly make flanger fx then spin back with different beat length ?

How do you quickly do a loop then divide 1/2 it then echo out or spin back ?


All of this. Depending on your style, these can be very important.

I'm slowly adjusting to the 72, but still not in love. And I feel that when I use the S9 this weekend at a few of the clubs I'm working, I'm gonna wish I had picked it up instead.


Well now would be a GREAT time to sell your 72 and cop an S9 for like $600. Good luck with that!
Aptidda 4:16 PM - 7 June, 2018
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My honest first impression when opening the Rane 72 and using for the first time.

WOW this mixer:
-smells amazing
-is built like no other mixer out there and is SOLID AF
-has the dopest built in MPC pads that are touch velocity adjustable
-is so great that it has a built in screen so I can use my mac mini without a stupid ass monitor
-the faders are super smooth, and WOW the cut in time on the fader and up faders is SOOO much better than ANY other mixer I have owned or used
-enables you to use two different features on opposite sides of the pads, incredible- no other mixer does that
-is the best mixer I have ever used or messed with in every aspect
-sounds amazing
-has incredible support and customer service
-has really exceptional built in effects
-has a korg kaoss type touch screen to trigger effects, SO DOPE
-has all these mic inputs and features
-has the best WORKFLOW of any other mixer I have used

All in all, very happy I sold my S9 plastic piece of trash for top dollar a few months ago. If I ever really wanted I could just go on craigslist or ebay and pick up a mint S9 for around $600 anyways, but nah- no one wants that trash anymore.


Share with us your "honest" impression of some "amazing" workflows you have with the 72 against the S9...🤔

How you quickly change one hardware fx to another with different beat length ?

How do you quickly make flanger fx then spin back with different beat length ?

How do you quickly do a loop then divide 1/2 it then echo out or spin back ?


I can do all that and more! It simple, all you do is press buttons, but you simply cant BELIEVE it can do those things because you haven't and probably wont ever get your filthy hands on one of these beauty's.
DJ Tecniq 5:01 PM - 7 June, 2018
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I can do all that and more! It simple, all you do is press buttons, but you simply cant BELIEVE it can do those things because you haven't and probably wont ever get your filthy hands on one of these beauty's.
Would be helpful if you could post a short mix of you using the 72 and showing us what it can do. So far i haven’t seen any clips on YouTube of the mixer except the demo Rane vids and that’s not enough. I want to see examples of it in a open format style.
Djkom 5:18 PM - 7 June, 2018
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I can do all that and more! It simple, all you do is press buttons, but you simply cant BELIEVE it can do those things because you haven't and probably wont ever get your filthy hands on one of these beauty's.
Would be helpful if you could post a short mix of you using the 72 and showing us what it can do. So far i haven’t seen any clips on YouTube of the mixer except the demo Rane vids and that’s not enough. I want to see examples of it in a open format style.


This !
A lot of blah blah on his words but nothing concrete ! He cannot detail the workflows I asked him ! He cannot even understand the differences between what is possible to do and what is possible to do EASILY and QUICKLY !
Once again We all know the Rane 72 has more capabilities than the S9, but does it fit well in all mixing styles ?
DJ Tecniq 5:53 PM - 7 June, 2018
This sums it up perfectly...too complicated. Put 2 battle djs against each other w/diff mixers 72 vs S9 and I’m willing to bet the S9 would be more convenient in a fast pace environment typically open format. You can just do things faster and more efficiently imo.
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Aptidda 7:00 PM - 7 June, 2018
No its only "too complicated" for you incompetent peons. And no I wont waste my time making you D bags a dope video of me tearing it up on the Flagship King Battle Mixer anytime soon. Byeeee......
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:04 PM - 7 June, 2018
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No its only "too complicated" for you incompetent peons. And no I wont waste my time making you D bags a dope video of me tearing it up on the Flagship King Battle Mixer anytime soon. Byeeee......


but you will continue to post videos of your lil 7" scratch records
DJ Tecniq 7:08 PM - 7 June, 2018
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No its only "too complicated" for you incompetent peons. And no I wont waste my time making you D bags a dope video of me tearing it up on the Flagship King Battle Mixer anytime soon. Byeeee......
All bark no bite...figured that’s what we’d hear.🙄
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 7 June, 2018
stop feeding the troll
Aptidda 8:30 PM - 7 June, 2018
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No its only "too complicated" for you incompetent peons. And no I wont waste my time making you D bags a dope video of me tearing it up on the Flagship King Battle Mixer anytime soon. Byeeee......


but you will continue to post videos of your lil 7" scratch records


why don't your subscribe and give all my videos a thumbs down and find out.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:40 PM - 7 June, 2018
this one is pretty funny, fan boy with their new toy haha

Watchwww.youtube.com

must have been made when you were living in your mom's or grandparents house as that table cloth just cracks me up
Aptidda 9:08 PM - 7 June, 2018
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this one is pretty funny, fan boy with their new toy haha

Watchwww.youtube.com

must have been made when you were living in your mom's or grandparents house as that table cloth just cracks me up




Awesome Sparky, thanks for the share and support ole chap.

To correct you that video was taken when I was renting a place in San Jose California (Silicon Valley, where my rent alone not including utilities, cable and my record purchasing addiction effortlessly eclipses your monthly take home by a minimum of 2X).

Since then I have purchase a home in the Bay Area (Sparky’s mind: “wow, he was paying 3K a month for rent and was able to buy a home with no outside help in one or two years following?”).

Sparky, I know- I know, people of your social status and your inherent love and admiration for your poverty stricken blue collar manual labor work have it tough with your so called pathetic “careers” . It’s funny to think that you couldn’t imagine or possibly fathom buying a home in such a phenomenal location. However, I specifically remember requesting you to come to my new place to do some work as I am remodeling before I move in. I understand times have and always will be rough, BUT there is hope. Put in 40 hours with me and my hired work, and I PROMISE I will allow you to thumb ever so carefully through my collection. How does this weekend look on the ole calendar there Sparky boy?

Oh, and please EVERYONE make sure to unsubscribe, thumbs down, and flame all of my videos to the best of your ability.

Cheers!
Dave-M 9:40 PM - 7 June, 2018
One of the reasons I come here is the lack of fanboyism and the fact that everyone gets along with no arguing. Said nobody, ever.
DJ Tecniq 9:54 PM - 7 June, 2018
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this one is pretty funny, fan boy with their new toy haha

Watchwww.youtube.com

must have been made when you were living in your mom's or grandparents house as that table cloth just cracks me up
This is hysterical it’s almost an identical review of the 72...these faders feel fucking aaaammmazing. What’s funny is he even disses Rane mixers in the clip. What a hypocrite 😂
Aptidda 11:01 PM - 7 June, 2018
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this one is pretty funny, fan boy with their new toy haha

Watchwww.youtube.com

must have been made when you were living in your mom's or grandparents house as that table cloth just cracks me up
This is hysterical it’s almost an identical review of the 72...these faders feel fucking aaaammmazing. What’s funny is he even disses Rane mixers in the clip. What a hypocrite 😂


Well Jack-O, this review was actually 2.5 years BEFORE the release of the 72 THE KING. So I had 2.5+ years of experience with the S9. I would say that is enough time to know if something is superior right out of the box.

Oh and I don't stand corrected, because I sure was not talking about the 72 in the S9 Video. Just get down and hail the new King the 72!
Mr. Goodkat 11:21 PM - 7 June, 2018
dj manboobs
Mr. Goodkat 11:22 PM - 7 June, 2018
dj mom tablecloth
dj_soo 11:24 PM - 7 June, 2018
I was kind of hoping that the 72 would finally be the mixer where I wouldn't have to use an add-on controller. I guess I'll have to pick one up to be sure.

I know the S9 would not be that mixer, and I also think it looks absolutely ridiculous using an SP1 with an S9 (let alone the XP1).
Aptidda 11:25 PM - 7 June, 2018
I like DJ Manboobs TableCloth. How do I change my profile name?
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 7 June, 2018
DJ Tits McGee ftw!
DJ Unique 12:49 AM - 8 June, 2018
LOL
deejayayup 8:25 AM - 8 June, 2018
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And the Pioneer fx alone shit all over Serato’s fx esp the horrible echo out. Even the clean echo out still sounds like trash. I’ll take convenience over flashy any day👌🏼


I like the S9 fx, but not having it's own echo out is a let down. The old DJM-909 was much better in this department and that's over 10 years old.
DJ Tecniq 12:40 PM - 8 June, 2018
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I like the S9 fx, but not having it's own echo out is a let down. The old DJM-909 was much better in this department and that's over 10 years old.
Not sure i follow you. The S9 does have it’s own echo-out. What do you mean?
deejayayup 1:06 PM - 8 June, 2018
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I like the S9 fx, but not having it's own echo out is a let down. The old DJM-909 was much better in this department and that's over 10 years old.
Not sure i follow you. The S9 does have it’s own echo-out. What do you mean?


I thought it just had an echo effect? I’ve not been able to find an echo out effect i.e. you trigger the effect and the volume from that channel cuts out and only the trail of the echo remains. Like the serato echo out.
DJ Tecniq 3:01 PM - 8 June, 2018
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I thought it just had an echo effect? I’ve not been able to find an echo out effect i.e. you trigger the effect and the volume from that channel cuts out and only the trail of the echo remains. Like the serato echo out.
You can change the fx in the Pioneer utility settings. It has echo out though and it is much cleaner than sdjs echo fx. I use it in this short mix here www.facebook.com
Aptidda 3:06 PM - 8 June, 2018
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And the Pioneer fx alone shit all over Serato’s fx esp the horrible echo out. Even the clean echo out still sounds like trash. I’ll take convenience over flashy any day👌🏼


I like the S9 fx, but not having it's own echo out is a let down. The old DJM-909 was much better in this department and that's over 10 years old.


Ya this is facts, seems like Pioneer went backward on this eh? My buddy still rocks his 909, the echo out is super clean. I was able to tweak the effects parameters on the 72 to get it to the perfect echo out I was looking for.
DJ Tecniq 3:11 PM - 8 June, 2018
I’m not sure what he’s talking about. When you trigger the toggle switch and drop the fader with echo fx applied that’s an echo-out. I use it all the time for quick mixes.
Mr. Goodkat 3:39 PM - 8 June, 2018
echo out is just a button push without the pulling the fader down.

to me its more in rhythm to pull the fader down, but hey, thats a lot of hard work
R-Tistic 5:34 PM - 8 June, 2018
So yeah. I’ve had the 72 for five days now, and one of my DJ partners came to test it out yesterday. Last night, I used the S9 for the first time since the day before I got the 72.

I gotta say. It’s not quite apples and oranges, but it just re-confirms what many of us have said....it’s really all about your style and technique. Even though i’m getting used to changing the effects and options on the 72, it’s still not as effective for what I do. I feel it’s made more for House DJs who have the time to scroll through every effect and setting, along with still being able to read the waveforms and select songs from the screen.

It’s the basic stuff that is nearly impossible on the 72 that had me loving the S9 last night. Picture playing a 96 BPM Hip Hop song....I can hit a reverb, then a few seconds later, hit a 1/1 echo, and then hit a 1/2 echo two seconds later. Doing this on the 72 touchscreen is nearly impossible, and almost takes as much luck as it does quickness and skill.

Now, when I’m making a full one hour mix or radio show mix, I have more time to go through different effects, and yeah, it’s way more that I can use on the 72. But the pad effects are pretty wack, especially the pause and backspin....I would rather just do a real one instead.

So yeah....I totally get why some folks are in love with the 72, but I’m almost forcing myself to adjust to it, and it might not be for me. I’m really thinking about what Pioneer can do to top the S9, possibly using a few cues from the 72, but still keeping the ease of use the same.
Aptidda 6:43 PM - 8 June, 2018
Well if you had any knowledge on how to use the 72 you would know that you can assign both Flex FX to a single channel. But hey, that's too complicated and too much work for you to wrap your head around. Check's in the mail!
R-Tistic 12:55 AM - 9 June, 2018
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Well if you had any knowledge on how to use the 72 you would know that you can assign both Flex FX to a single channel. But hey, that's too complicated and too much work for you to wrap your head around. Check's in the mail!


I know that, but you can’t adjust the time parameters quickly bc of the touch screen. You’re gonna ride than Rane dick until the knobs fall off though, so don’t mind me.
dj_soo 3:32 AM - 9 June, 2018
DJ Yagga 5:33 PM - 9 June, 2018
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The fx are much more user friendly on the S9. Not everyone wants to fuck with a touchscreen and go back n forth etc changing modes when the fx buttons are at your fingertips on the S9. The workflow is much more convenient.


Fully agree ! When I tested the 72 to b, even if it's a pure beast, I felt so annoyed by the workflows (loops, fx, browse, screen modes...etc) that I kept my S9...waiting for a s9 mk2 or even a R9


The Rane 72 is a cluttered, rushed product !!!
No one wants to say, but I will. I have a feeling the next gen will be much better (if it ever comes out)
R-Tistic 6:25 PM - 10 June, 2018
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The fx are much more user friendly on the S9. Not everyone wants to fuck with a touchscreen and go back n forth etc changing modes when the fx buttons are at your fingertips on the S9. The workflow is much more convenient.


Fully agree ! When I tested the 72 to b, even if it's a pure beast, I felt so annoyed by the workflows (loops, fx, browse, screen modes...etc) that I kept my S9...waiting for a s9 mk2 or even a R9


The Rane 72 is a cluttered, rushed product !!!
No one wants to say, but I will. I have a feeling the next gen will be much better (if it ever comes out)


I figured I wasn’t the only one who felt this way about it all.

It’s the case of a new car having way more features than your previous car, but not being as effective. Like, you gotta press four different buttons just to access the stored stations, but they let you store ten instead of six. And you can adjust the humidity and wind factor on the temperature, but gotta go through the touch screen console instead of just regular temperature controls.

They removed the most basic, effective functions, and obviously didn’t have the right DJs testing it out first. They either had the ones who don’t use all those additional features much at all, or the House DJs who don’t have to move as quickly.
Chino 8:59 PM - 10 June, 2018
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The Rane 72 is a cluttered, rushed product !!!
No one wants to say, but I will. I have a feeling the next gen will be much better (if it ever comes out)


I've owned/used many inMusic Brand products that were ''rushed" (ex. Engine 1.5, original 2012 version of Akai MPC Software & the Denon MCx8000). IMHO, the Rane 72 is not a "rushed cluttered mess". Compared to my Rane 62, the layout and overall feel is much better!

It seems to me that maybe you just prefer the way Pioneer handles the effects work flow on the S9. That's ok. Everyone has their own preferences. I'm sure Rane will make some workflow enhancements down the line through firmware. What would you change in order to enhance the effects workflow?
Chino 9:21 PM - 10 June, 2018
*GIG UPDATE*

First gig yesterday using the Rane 72 & my 3900s. It was a 6hr Military Police Ball. I was nervous but the 72 performed much better than I expected! NO screen freezes, glitches or other random hiccups to report! Im definitely still getting use to all the functions but I like learning new things in general.

This week I will be digging deep into the mixer's settings to customize it by…

1. De-selecting any effects I don't use in the FlexEfxs. I also need to adjust each individual effects parameters to my liking.

2. SDJ Pro 2.0.3 is sounding lower overall compared to SDJ 1.9x. There are other threads where others have reported this too. Im working on adjusting the settings to compensate. I may submit a help ticket if what I do doesn't improve the overall sound quality.

3. Practice, Practice & MORE Practice. I need to learn all the functions until I can do it using muscle memory without much thought.
DJ Tecniq 10:00 PM - 10 June, 2018
Touch screen fx...bad idea overall just put them on the fucking mixer. I can access everything so much quicker on my S9🙏🏼
Aptidda 3:38 PM - 11 June, 2018
What an awesome weekend gigging with the Rane 72! A local club/bar has a complete 72/12 setup and its gorgeous, all the DJ’s using it are in love. It seems to be such a solid setup that myself and all the DJ’s agree that this thing is going to age in place and wont be going anywhere for a long time.

Spent some time MIDI mapping the “time signature” for the effects onto the pads which was a nice touch (saves from these inept peons having to “click through” all these screens and OMG this was so “rushed” as they fondle their S9 and couldn’t imagine forking over 2K for such a superior Rane 72 Mixer).

Sheesh if anyone here had any common sense they would realize that those 16 brightly lit and wonderfully colored square pads, CAN BE MIDI MAPPED TO ANYTHING. LOL.

Whatever ya gotta tell yourself guys, whatever ya gotta tell yourself that you love your S9 (bow down and hail the 72).
deejayayup 4:06 PM - 11 June, 2018
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echo out is just a button push without the pulling the fader down.

to me its more in rhythm to pull the fader down, but hey, thats a lot of hard work


This is what I meant by the S9 having no echo out built into the hardware. The 909 had this, I'm not sure why they didn't include it in the S9.
deejayayup 4:09 PM - 11 June, 2018
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echo out is just a button push without the pulling the fader down.

to me its more in rhythm to pull the fader down, but hey, thats a lot of hard work


It's not about hard work for me, it's about work flow. I've used echo out for a long time and I use different types of equipment for different gigs and echo out features in the way I play, which is why I was disappointed with the S9 not including the feature.

They really need an edit button on this forum.
Aptidda 4:35 PM - 11 June, 2018
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echo out is just a button push without the pulling the fader down.

to me its more in rhythm to pull the fader down, but hey, thats a lot of hard work


It's not about hard work for me, it's about work flow. I've used echo out for a long time and I use different types of equipment for different gigs and echo out features in the way I play, which is why I was disappointed with the S9 not including the feature.

They really need an edit button on this forum.


Ya man I had the S9 for the better part of 3 years, for me "it got the job done" but that was about it. Now that I have the Rane 72 i'm not only happy to be back in the Rane Family (wasn't feeling the 62 or 57mkII with those tiny buttons but had myself a ttm 56 analog mixer then prior to that a ttm 54i) but much happier with the performance, effects, and the fact that I can use my mac mini with zero computer screen.
deejayayup 6:58 PM - 11 June, 2018
i don’t know about rane but i remember the 909 being so far ahead of its time so I was hoping the S9 would include everything that mixer had to offer and more. It’s a great mixer though, I just wish it had a hardware echo out.
dj_soo 7:29 PM - 11 June, 2018
Pulling the fader down to echo is so ingrained in my workflow that I never feel comfortable using an autofade echo.
dj_soo 7:29 PM - 11 June, 2018
Been doing it since the efx500 days
Chino 1:08 AM - 12 June, 2018
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Pulling the fader down to echo is so ingrained in my workflow that I never feel comfortable using an autofade echo.


+1. My solution is...

Since, I'm not a fan of the FlexFx echo effect I flipped the paddles so they now stay in the downward locked position (similar to pulling the fader down to echo). I now use Serato's Clean Echo effect. This gives me the echo effect I prefer and the ability to physically bring down the paddle(fader).
Rebelguy 4:20 AM - 12 June, 2018
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What an awesome weekend gigging with the Rane 72! A local club/bar has a complete 72/12 setup and its gorgeous, all the DJ’s using it are in love.


Where?
dj zaza 6:21 AM - 12 June, 2018
It would be great to have the ability to decide whether to have internal effects of the mixer in pre or post fader on s9, same thing for the effects serato, on 62 it was convenient to be able to decide to have the effects even in pre or post fader.
Dave-M 8:34 AM - 12 June, 2018
Doesn't the S9 have post fader effects?
Robbie O 11:45 AM - 12 June, 2018
Jazzy Jeff with the 12s, but no 72. Looks like a S9

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DJ Tecniq 1:55 PM - 12 June, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff with the 12s, but no 72. Looks like a S9

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You’re blind its a 72 the screen is in the middle.
Robbie O 2:07 PM - 12 June, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff with the 12s, but no 72. Looks like a S9

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You’re blind its a 72 the screen is in the middle.


Nah homie your bifocals need to get little thicker fam..


funny thing is Jeff has a custom 72, so I’m guess he’s not used to the workflow yet
Mr. Goodkat 6:26 PM - 12 June, 2018
tecniq never fails to amuse
Aptidda 6:29 PM - 12 June, 2018
That's a 72 buddy, even the greats are using the new King of Scratch Mixers. I'll say it again like I have said it before. Bow down and Hail the New King the 72!
r3k0 6:48 PM - 12 June, 2018
Its a fkn Sshitty9 ffs :-D (obvs it should be a 72, Jeff must be having a blonde day)
Aptidda 6:55 PM - 12 June, 2018
Pioneer Shitty9 FTW! LOL. That all metal build on the 72 tho! Wow, they actually took some time to mfg these beasts. S9 is just a molded plastic POS. HAHAAA The King has ARRIVED!
r3k0 6:57 PM - 12 June, 2018
:D
WildcardX 6:57 PM - 12 June, 2018
It's an S9 for sure, you see the Fx buttons flashing above the cue pads and no screen. Stands to reason as he did have input in the S9 anyways.
AKIEM 6:59 PM - 12 June, 2018
If you really squint at it you can see he is using Phase too....
DJ Tecniq 8:10 PM - 12 June, 2018
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If you really squint at it you can see he is using Phase too....
Phase on Rane tables...but why🤷🏼‍♂️
AKIEM 8:12 PM - 12 June, 2018
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If you really squint at it you can see he is using Phase too....
Phase on Rane tables...but why🤷🏼‍♂️


people are convinced Jeff is adopting Phase
(just helping them out)
DJ Tecniq 8:15 PM - 12 June, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff with the 12s, but no 72. Looks like a S9

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You’re blind its a 72 the screen is in the middle.


Nah homie your bifocals need to get little thicker fam..


funny thing is Jeff has a custom 72, so I’m guess he’s not used to the workflow yet
I stand corrected I blew it up on my mac i was on my iPhone. He's not using phase though.
dj_soo 9:32 PM - 12 June, 2018
Jeff has always been a Pioneer guy - he went and custom installed an SL3 into his 909 for a while.

He was using the 62 for a long stretch with the SP1 and Dicers for a long while tho.
Mr. Goodkat 10:21 PM - 12 June, 2018
has anyone really seen any big name dj really get loose on the 72 ie using it to its full potential not just scratch for 5 mins
AKIEM 11:11 PM - 12 June, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff with the 12s, but no 72. Looks like a S9

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You’re blind its a 72 the screen is in the middle.


Nah homie your bifocals need to get little thicker fam..


funny thing is Jeff has a custom 72, so I’m guess he’s not used to the workflow yet
I stand corrected I blew it up on my mac i was on my iPhone. He's not using phase though.


he's def using Phase on a pair of Pioneers
r3k0 12:01 AM - 13 June, 2018
But Phase are rectangle shaped? The centers in the vid are round???
DJ Tecniq 12:59 AM - 13 June, 2018
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But Phase are rectangle shaped? The centers in the vid are round???
I think he’s trolling the tables clearly say Rane on them.
r3k0 1:23 AM - 13 June, 2018
Tut!
R-Tistic 1:59 AM - 13 June, 2018
I'm slowly adapting to the 72, but I still consider switching to the S9, especially when using it this past weekend.

I feel that the firmware updates will be what save this mixer. And at the same time, it sucks that companies now rely on updates versus making sure the product is great when they put it out.

I know that we can use two Flex FXs at once, just using them on different sides, but.....with the Echo, it still adapts to the BPM of the side it's on. Meaning, you're playing a 120 BPM song on the Left, and a 95 on the Right, and you plan to echo out on the left and go into the 95 BPM song. If the Echo is on the right Flex FX, it's gonna give you a 95 BPM echo, which is absolutely silly.
r3k0 2:04 AM - 13 June, 2018
You can tap in the echo tempo, then hold shift & tap to set it back.
AKIEM 3:04 AM - 13 June, 2018
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I'm slowly adapting to the 72, but I still consider switching to the S9, especially when using it this past weekend.

I feel that the firmware updates will be what save this mixer. And at the same time, it sucks that companies now rely on updates versus making sure the product is great when they put it out.

I know that we can use two Flex FXs at once, just using them on different sides, but.....with the Echo, it still adapts to the BPM of the side it's on. Meaning, you're playing a 120 BPM song on the Left, and a 95 on the Right, and you plan to echo out on the left and go into the 95 BPM song. If the Echo is on the right Flex FX, it's gonna give you a 95 BPM echo, which is absolutely silly.


shits lame
dj_soo 3:38 AM - 13 June, 2018
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This is kind of tech in general these days - not just djing gear.
R-Tistic 7:31 AM - 13 June, 2018
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This is kind of tech in general these days - not just djing gear.


Damn, I believe it!
Chino 2:43 PM - 13 June, 2018
A quick question for any owners/users of the 72…

I notched that the individual efx volumes reset themselves (go back to 0) after I either shutdown SDJ Pro and/or turn off the mixer? Is this by design?

Also, can someone from Rane or Serato please chime in to see if this is correct behavior?
Chino 2:45 PM - 13 June, 2018
*NOTICED

It's 2018 Serato, we definitely need an edit button on the forum, please!!!
Dave-M 2:46 PM - 13 June, 2018
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A quick question for any owners/users of the 72…

I notched that the individual efx volumes reset themselves (go back to 0) after I either shutdown SDJ Pro and/or turn off the mixer? Is this by design?

Also, can someone from Rane or Serato please chime in to see if this is correct behavior?


Yes, it does do that. I believe that will be fixed in a firmware update. No idea when, they don't seem to be very quick at fixing things so far.
Chino 2:54 PM - 13 June, 2018
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@Dave-M Thanks for the quick response! I thought it was something I was doing wrong but I hope it gets fixed soon!!

I definitely do NOT like having to readjust each individual efx volumes everything I power on the mixer!! I'm putting in a support ticket. If enough of us bring this issue to their attention then hopefully Rane & Serato will fix it QUICKLY!!!!
r3k0 2:57 PM - 13 June, 2018
Yes, just been talking about this with our resident troll in another thread, he said his reverb holds its settings but i think he was have me on cos my fx dont save anything.

We had the v1.1 FW update fairly quickly but they been slacking on the next one :-/
Chino 3:07 PM - 13 June, 2018
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We had the v1.1 FW update fairly quickly but they been slacking on the next one :-/


Good to know! I will contact inMusic Brand directly to help 'motivate' them to fix this issue. Please continue to give your feedback. It's the only way inMusic Brand will know what needs to be fixed.
r3k0 3:14 PM - 13 June, 2018
Remembering FX setting.
Touch screen library scrolling.
Sensitivity of library knob.
Post fader serato FX.

Think that would make me happier than i already am with the KING of scratch mixers :-*
Chino 3:27 PM - 13 June, 2018
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Sensitivity of library knob.


I'm not sure if you or another forum member mentioned this before but…

I'm thinking of replacing the touch sensitive knobs. They are very sensitive. I prefer having total control of whether the wave form display or library view is engaged.

At present, the touch sensitive knobs can be too 'touchy'. Maybe that is something else Rane can add in a firmware update. A way to adjust the touch sensitive knobs so that accidentally brushing them won't show the library view.
r3k0 3:34 PM - 13 June, 2018
Yes a few peeps have mentioned it, not a killer for me as im not really using the library mode at all atm.
If they added the ability to scroll through the folders and files with the screen then i may start to use it.

Replace them yourself? As in solder new ones to the main board?
Chino 3:40 PM - 13 June, 2018
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As in solder new ones to the main board?


Lol, no. I'm not that skilled or adventurous with soldering. I was hoping I could just pry off the touch sensitive top & maybe replace it with a 'Chroma Cap'?
Aptidda 3:42 PM - 13 June, 2018
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Remembering FX setting.
Touch screen library scrolling.
Sensitivity of library knob.
Post fader serato FX.

Think that would make me happier than i already am with the KING of scratch mixers :-*


Don't forget to add "Auto BPM Detect" for analog sources.

Amen to the King! Hallelujah!
r3k0 3:47 PM - 13 June, 2018
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As in solder new ones to the main board?


Lol, no. I'm not that skilled or adventurous with soldering. I was hoping I could just pry off the touch sensitive top & maybe replace it with a 'Chroma Cap'?


Im pretty sure it will be the whole unit (pot) that has the mechanics to be touch sens. An option in FW for enabling/disabling it would be the best option.

AMEN!!
Chino 4:01 PM - 13 June, 2018
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I'm pretty sure it will be the whole unit (pot) that has the mechanics to be touch sens. An option in FW for enabling/disabling it would be the best option.


+1. Great feedback! Hopefully, inMusic Brand is listening & paying close attention to the needs of their customers.
Aptidda 4:26 PM - 13 June, 2018
I honestly don't have issues with the browsing knob and use the library search all the time on the 72. I'm not like you tools that need a honking big 15" laptop in front of them to use this or any other DVS device. Me be really smart, me be using mac mini, me no need big screen, me cooler than you, me the best.
dj_soo 6:53 PM - 13 June, 2018
i read somewhere that replacing the cap is enough to correct the touch sensitivty of the knobs.
YZ 7:09 PM - 13 June, 2018
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Ya this is facts, seems like Pioneer went backward on this eh? My buddy still rocks his 909, the echo out is super clean. I was able to tweak the effects parameters on the 72 to get it to the perfect echo out I was looking for.


That's the thing, by default nobody ever even knows that you can fine tune each effect in the settings, set it then forget it. It's the guys who never used one or only used one for a few minutes. Personally, I don't use fx other than an echo so that's a shit battle I'll let you guys wipe each others ass's with, that seems to be the only gripe I hear you guys bitching about. I like to think of myself as technically intuitive and I can personally say that after about 20-30 min of tuning things w/out the manual it works fine and does not hamper my ability to do what I want, when I want. Not sure why every pioneer head in here is making this into a big pile of dookie. If it's too hard to use for you, don't upgrade and stay outdated.
Aptidda 8:07 PM - 13 June, 2018
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Ya this is facts, seems like Pioneer went backward on this eh? My buddy still rocks his 909, the echo out is super clean. I was able to tweak the effects parameters on the 72 to get it to the perfect echo out I was looking for.


That's the thing, by default nobody ever even knows that you can fine tune each effect in the settings, set it then forget it. It's the guys who never used one or only used one for a few minutes. Personally, I don't use fx other than an echo so that's a shit battle I'll let you guys wipe each others ass's with, that seems to be the only gripe I hear you guys bitching about. I like to think of myself as technically intuitive and I can personally say that after about 20-30 min of tuning things w/out the manual it works fine and does not hamper my ability to do what I want, when I want. Not sure why every pioneer head in here is making this into a big pile of dookie. If it's too hard to use for you, don't upgrade and stay outdated.


Preach! Stay in the past suckas why me and the Rane Boyz ride our magic carpet into the Future. Suucckkkaaaazzzzzzz
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:08 AM - 14 June, 2018
[Quote]Preach! Stay in the past suckas why me and the Rane Boyz ride our magic carpet into the Future. Suucckkkaaaazzzzzzz

The only thing you're riding is that rane dick
r3k0 11:11 AM - 14 June, 2018
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I honestly don't have issues with the browsing knob and use the library search all the time on the 72. I'm not like you tools that need a honking big 15" laptop in front of them to use this or any other DVS device. Me be really smart, me be using mac mini, me no need big screen, me cooler than you, me the best.


17" brother :-*
R-Tistic 5:54 PM - 16 June, 2018
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I honestly don't have issues with the browsing knob and use the library search all the time on the 72. I'm not like you tools that need a honking big 15" laptop in front of them to use this or any other DVS device. Me be really smart, me be using mac mini, me no need big screen, me cooler than you, me the best.


You’ve jumped the shark. No longer worth engaging with
Dj Nyce 4:53 PM - 19 June, 2018
just got my 72. been putting it through the paces for the last few days. so far i like this mixer. a lot. my favorite features thus far are the pads, touchscreen, paddles, and fx.

the pads feel amazing and i love that i can access the secondary pad modes without using shift. also it has independent pad modes per side.

the touchscreen was unexpected for me as i didn't know it was touch! you can see crates and songs on the screen as well as waveforms and the sdj fx.

i love being able to tweak the fx using the touchscreen and that i can run sdj effects and flex fx at the same time. and if you use single mode instead of combo mode in sdj, you can get 4 effects per bank. effects can be routed to all channels independently of one another. so I can have 8 effects going to channel 1 for instance.

the metal paddles are a welcome touch and they are reversible. i'll try it stock for awhile and reverse later to see which feels more natural.

the other things i love are the touch fx, mag3 faders on upfaders and xfader and dedicated echo fx on both mic input.

It does have some quirks tho...for instance on some effects the depth and parameter knob controls the same thing. that's a waste of a knob. and for custom pads all slots should be available to remap. also post fader fx (sdj) aren't available at the moment. also, we need a way to save/recall effect presets.
So Fresh 5:28 PM - 19 June, 2018
instagram.com


My fake rane 72 + 12 set up:)
So Fresh 5:34 PM - 19 June, 2018
Still need to do the mkii upgrade but they are very fun!

After using the 72 @ two gigs I know it would have been wasted on me.

Using a computer is not a problem and only effects I need is a fllter and echo




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My fake rane 72 + 12 set up:)
Chino 5:43 PM - 19 June, 2018
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[quote) Just got my 72. been putting it through the paces for the last few days. so far i like this mixer. a lot. my favorite features thus far are the pads, touchscreen, paddles, and fx.

the pads feel amazing and i love that i can access the secondary pad modes without using shift. also it has independent pad modes per side.


+ 1. Congrats on the 72 purchase!

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also post fader fx (sdj) aren't available at the moment. also, we need a way to save/recall effect presets.


+1000!! A Rane rep mentioned that post fader SDJ efxs are in the works. Hopefully, Rane is also working on a way to save/recall effect presets.
Chino 5:51 PM - 19 June, 2018
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My fake rane 72 + 12 set up:)


LOL...nice setup. I was thinking about buying a pair of modded Technics sldz 1200s. I like the portability & platter size. From what I've researched & read- the mod version works really well.

Since the Rane 12s have been recalled, maybe the Technics sldz 1200MKII mod is a viable alternative?
r3k0 6:30 PM - 19 June, 2018
12s been recalled?? whats wrong with them?
So Fresh 6:34 PM - 19 June, 2018
I’m sure the 12’s are much better but these are not bad and are really portable, I’m gonna make up a single soft bag for them


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My fake rane 72 + 12 set up:)


LOL...nice setup. I was thinking about buying a pair of modded Technics sldz 1200s. I like the portability & platter size. From what I've researched & read- the mod version works really well.

Since the Rane 12s have been recalled, maybe the Technics sldz 1200MKII mod is a viable alternative?
r3k0 6:35 PM - 19 June, 2018
Just read about them, Doh Rane :D
Aptidda 6:49 PM - 19 June, 2018
that's old news, all units were recalled about a month ago and are fixed unless you bought early and haven't sent them in.
r3k0 6:59 PM - 19 June, 2018
Ya, just not heard about it, don't care anyway, if there's no stylus, its not Djing :P :D
dj_soo 8:07 PM - 19 June, 2018
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My fake rane 72 + 12 set up:)


hah, here's mine:

www.instagram.com
So Fresh 10:12 PM - 19 June, 2018
nice!

hah, here's mine:

www.instagram.com
raedonquan 4:48 AM - 20 June, 2018
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And the Pioneer fx alone shit all over Serato’s fx esp the horrible echo out. Even the clean echo out still sounds like trash. I’ll take convenience over flashy any day👌🏼



so you are comparing the effects that are built in on the s9 to the sdj effects which are the same on the 72...


you should compare the onboard effect of the s9 and 72... make it more credible
Aptidda 3:21 PM - 20 June, 2018
yep, the onboard effects on the Seventy Two are FAR SUPERIOR to the Pioneer doo doo. 72 over S9 all day erryday. Seventy Two "The New King In Town" "Hail" "Hail"
Chino 4:15 PM - 20 June, 2018
*UPDATE*

I put in a Serato support HELP ticket to address the question of whether the efx volumes/ parameters not saving are due to a bug or if it was designed to be that way. This is the response I received:

"Yes - unfortunately this is by design, you'll have to reset the volume and other parameters to the desired level."

So, inMusic Brand needs to add a feature that allows efx volume/parameter settings to be automatically saved once the mixer/SDJ Pro is shutdown!!
CMOS 8:18 PM - 20 June, 2018
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yep, the onboard effects on the Seventy Two are FAR SUPERIOR to the Pioneer doo doo. 72 over S9 all day erryday. Seventy Two "The New King In Town" "Hail" "Hail"


72 Echo does NOT compare. Pio wins that one.

72 Faders win, Rane wins that one on the upfaders.

Paddles, ok ranes are metal but has anyone broken the Pios? Too early to tell.

Screen? Still up in the air as this whether this is a winner or something that will hold you back. Too early to tell.




Take Ranes dick out of your mouth and have an honest conversation about the gear.

Starting to sound like the video game reviews in here.
Aptidda 9:09 PM - 20 June, 2018
Hey man all I speak are straight up facts. I owned a Pioneer S(hit)9 for 2.5 years, I used it extensively and beat they hell out of that thing. Sure, I had to send it in to Pioneer twice and it took 2 weeks for the first fix and 3 weeks for the second, also about 5 hours of my life wasted waiting on hold to reach a Pioneer support representative.

But hey, you own a 72 too right? And you know what your talking about right? I doubt it, no one wants to read your feeble peasant working class status comments or opinions. Me and all the other people on this forum know that the 72 is the HAUTE MONDE of the 2 channel mixer community. Anyone that denies it or is a hater, simply doesn't have the means and is jealous.

Now, as I squash you and the S(hit)9 fan boys like meaningless dead ants under my shoe, I need to get back to business.
r3k0 9:21 PM - 20 June, 2018
The clown is a troll, let him have his fun i say.
He is right tho tbh, the 72 is a better quality mixer.
Better build quality under the hood, no plastic chassis, just sheet steel.
The standard Rane finish to the top, this very simple vinyl coating means after 10 years of abuse it wont lose any decals/markings.

I think its a personnel preference thing mostly, if you have used an S9 for a few years its going to tricky to convert you maybe.
I think a lot of Pioneer fanboys just feel a bit pissed that something has come along to but there fave toy in 2nd place, but shit happens.

I only use a bit of echo here n there so the FX usage argument dont bother me, i just want a rock solid mixer with 3 tuff as fk faders.

When 1st saw a pic of the 72 i was happy to see they copied the main layout of the S9, as it makes sense, then they built on that.

If peeps want to stay with there plastic S9's then fair enough ;-)
WildcardX 9:44 PM - 20 June, 2018
Chino 10:26 PM - 20 June, 2018


DOPE! An excellent example of how functional the touch screen is on the 72.
DJMIYAGI 11:30 PM - 20 June, 2018

Kickass! My 72 comes in tomorrow. I can't wait!
YZ 12:08 AM - 21 June, 2018
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Now, as I squash you and the S(hit)9 fan boys like meaningless dead ants under my shoe, I need to get back to business.


Out.
Clubber1970 1:18 AM - 21 June, 2018
Does the people on the floor really hear a difference if you play on the S9 or on the 72. I think 99% of them don‘t care about it.
dj_soo 3:23 AM - 21 June, 2018
of course they don't - but we're djs discussing dj gear. This is about what we like to play on.

The "it only matters what comes out of the speakers" crap doesn't really apply to this discussion.
desmorider 3:39 AM - 21 June, 2018
What's the best pricing people are getting for the seventy-two's?
DJMIYAGI 4:59 AM - 21 June, 2018
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What's the best pricing people are getting for the seventy-two's?

That's more of a question to ask a dealer you are willing to buy a unit from. If you contact before you buy, you may be able to work out a deal.
Dave-M 11:31 AM - 21 June, 2018
Can anyone with a 72 try something for me please? On the cross fader, if you set it to 0 for the cut in and you push the fader to the end, does the sound stay off or does it open on it's own when you let your finger/thumb off? Thanks!
Dave-M 11:32 AM - 21 June, 2018
*with a track playing, obviously!

Need an edit button in here ffs.
r3k0 11:58 AM - 21 June, 2018
Think mine does that at one end Dave, will test tonight.
Not a biggie, i just to 3 instead of 2.
Prob just a minor calibration issue, would still like to know where the sensors for the fader mag are?
thorissr 12:05 PM - 21 June, 2018
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Can anyone with a 72 try something for me please? On the cross fader, if you set it to 0 for the cut in and you push the fader to the end, does the sound stay off or does it open on it's own when you let your finger/thumb off? Thanks!


As reported by others....I occasionally experienced cut in on the left side only when I set the crossfader to zero. When my music was really pumping (bass) it would open up the right channel just from the vibration of the bass playing. I fixed this by opening up the fader compartment and adjusting the tension so that the fader wouldn’t move until I physically move it.

Now the right side is a totally different story and can hopefully be fixed with a firmware update. Set at zero it’s not as sharp as the left side when set to zero. It’s as though it’s doesnt recognize the 1 position. Meaning if you slide it to the left slowly while in the settings screen, it doesn’t open up until hit hits 1 1/2 or the 2 position.

I read somewhere that reseating the crossfader assembly fixed this issue. In my case it didn’t, but fortunately it doesn’t affect my scratching. I just wish the left and right sides were equivalent.
Dave-M 12:48 PM - 21 June, 2018
Thanks for the replies. So my cross fader when both sides set to 0 has about 0.5mm or less on the left and about 1.5mm on the right. 0 works perfectly on the right, but I need to use 3 on the left to get the same cut in.

Even set to 1, I need to keep pressure applied to keep it closed or it opens on it's own. 2 is as @thorissr says and closes and stays closed but can be opened by vibration. It seems like the o-ring is too fat? 3 works but isn't as sharp as 0 at the other end, so I reckon 2.5 is there was such a thing would be about right.

Tested all 3 faders and 2 do this and one doesn't. Had them all out, tried pushing together the end caps which does make the rails click into place, and also gently pulling them apart, but it didn't have any effect on the cut in. The only thing I didn't do when I had it all disassembled was measure how fat the o-rings were. I guess that's a job for weekend!

www.dropbox.com
thorissr 1:32 PM - 21 June, 2018
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Thanks for the replies. So my cross fader when both sides set to 0 has about 0.5mm or less on the left and about 1.5mm on the right. 0 works perfectly on the right, but I need to use 3 on the left to get the same cut in.

Even set to 1, I need to keep pressure applied to keep it closed or it opens on it's own. 2 is as @thorissr says and closes and stays closed but can be opened by vibration. It seems like the o-ring is too fat? 3 works but isn't as sharp as 0 at the other end, so I reckon 2.5 is there was such a thing would be about right.

Tested all 3 faders and 2 do this and one doesn't. Had them all out, tried pushing together the end caps which does make the rails click into place, and also gently pulling them apart, but it didn't have any effect on the cut in. The only thing I didn't do when I had it all disassembled was measure how fat the o-rings were. I guess that's a job for weekend!

www.dropbox.com


Dave

So your hunch is that this is hardware related?

Thanks
thorissr 1:42 PM - 21 June, 2018
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I have the latest firmware installed and noticed that one of the fixes were flex efx settings save. If I’m not mistaken this only applies while the mixer is powered on and let’s say you switch between flex efx’s it saves the last parameters set for that effect during that session. Initially I was under the impression that it applied to power cycles as well, and the parameters dialed in for flex effects would be reinstated when you power off and on the mixer.

I would’ve thought my last analogy would be the case since all other settings are saved like brightness, fader cut in, etc. Am I wrong and doing something incorrectly, because it’s a tedious process to access effects that I routinely use and required to refill them in every time I power my mixer on.

Thanks
r3k0 1:48 PM - 21 June, 2018
No thats how the FX are working atm, indeed its a pain i the ass, hopefully it will be fixed in a FW update.

And i think the fader issue is hardware related, also that the faders might be re-calibrated with the 12pin header on the board, prob a factory job tho.
Dave-M 2:47 PM - 21 June, 2018
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Thanks for the replies. So my cross fader when both sides set to 0 has about 0.5mm or less on the left and about 1.5mm on the right. 0 works perfectly on the right, but I need to use 3 on the left to get the same cut in.

Even set to 1, I need to keep pressure applied to keep it closed or it opens on it's own. 2 is as @thorissr says and closes and stays closed but can be opened by vibration. It seems like the o-ring is too fat? 3 works but isn't as sharp as 0 at the other end, so I reckon 2.5 is there was such a thing would be about right.

Tested all 3 faders and 2 do this and one doesn't. Had them all out, tried pushing together the end caps which does make the rails click into place, and also gently pulling them apart, but it didn't have any effect on the cut in. The only thing I didn't do when I had it all disassembled was measure how fat the o-rings were. I guess that's a job for weekend!

www.dropbox.com


Dave

So your hunch is that this is hardware related?

Thanks


I think it is hardware related, but may be fixable with an update. I do think that some of the faders are not quite in the same league as others, though. I guess we will see, eventually lol.
Dave-M 2:50 PM - 21 June, 2018
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No thats how the FX are working atm, indeed its a pain i the ass, hopefully it will be fixed in a FW update.

And i think the fader issue is hardware related, also that the faders might be re-calibrated with the 12pin header on the board, prob a factory job tho.


I saw something about this today that said there is no way to fix the fx saving thing as it was made like that by design. Can't remember where I saw it though, it was a quote from Rane. I have also seen Rane say it will be fixed in a firmware update so it's anyones guess!
r3k0 2:55 PM - 21 June, 2018
Yer think it's quoted by the OP in this thread...arse elbow sitch maybe....
Dave-M 3:18 PM - 21 June, 2018
Hope they can fix it, seems a massive oversight, that along with the post fader fx.
YZ 6:01 PM - 21 June, 2018
Basically those settings (I'm assuming) are saved to ephemeral storage, shit like this is used to save on resources, is not forever and is not redundant by any means. IF that's the case, kick rocks or pound salt. It's strange however WHY this was overlooked by the engineer and the people testing. They must have known about it, I mean how many guys we're prob like yo I keep having to re-do my fx mapping part.... I'm willing to bet they knew, but it was too late to fix because someone previously overlooked it.
dj_soo 6:29 PM - 21 June, 2018
physical knobs for depth wouldn't have this issue.

I still get the idea that the touch screen was pushed onto the design of the mixer via InMusic and the designers had to scramble to get the functionality working and the UI to make sense.

Apparently the 72 had been in the works since before the InMusic buyout and I wouldn't be surprised if the touch screen wasn't a part of the original design.
DJMIYAGI 6:59 PM - 21 June, 2018
I have my crossfader set to zero on both sides and it works just fine
Chino 10:34 PM - 21 June, 2018
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It's strange however WHY this was overlooked by the engineer and the people testing. They must have known about it, I mean how many guys we're prob like yo I keep having to re-do my fx mapping part.... I'm willing to bet they knew, but it was too late to fix because someone previously overlooked it.


Bringing a product to market seems to be priority #1 for the DJ/software/tech companies in general.

The tech industries have adopted a "we'll fix it later" philosophy. Firmware/software updates are now used to address known product short comings AFTER the product has already been released to the public.

We as consumers have become complacent in this trend because many of us want the latest & greatest tech- right now. People are now beginning to understand that the price of having tech -'right now' is having to deal with rushed software missing obvious features.

I'm not an engineer or superstar DJ beta testing this product. I'm a party rockin' mobile DJ who uses this equipment extensively. I and many others were able to easily identify this simple overlooked feature. I'm sure inMusic Brand was made aware of this BUT the product needed to be brought to market so it is what it is.
dj_soo 10:44 PM - 21 June, 2018
This has generally been the case although it's more open now than before.

There's only so much a team of beta testers can find and things will slip through, although more companies are willing to ship with issues to hit projected dates with the idea that things can be addressed after release which is why you see so many "day-1" patches and firmware updates in products.

Unfortunately, some issues that get discovered are not fixable via patches or firmware updates.

As much as I dislike a lot of their business practices, Pioneer has the right idea with setting their release dates shortly after announcement. This allows them to get their gear ready for release before announcing rather than announcing early and then having to crunch in order to hit projected dates and risk pissing off potential customers by being late.

Unfortunately, this type of strategy is only really possible if you're already the market leader as otherwise, you do need to build hype for your products lineup when you're trying to gain market share from the clear leader.
r3k0 11:13 PM - 21 June, 2018
I have been djing and repairing dj equipment for over 30 years and wouldn't consider Pioneer as leaders in the field.
Aptidda 11:22 PM - 21 June, 2018
I cleaned and lubed my faders when I first got them. Smooth as butter, no issues. Try it.
Chino 11:30 PM - 21 June, 2018
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I cleaned and lubed my faders when I first got them. Smooth as butter, no issues. Try it.


What product specifically did you use to lube the faders?
Mr. Goodkat 11:34 PM - 21 June, 2018
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I have been djing and repairing dj equipment for over 30 years and wouldn't consider Pioneer as leaders in the field.


who would you consider the leader in the market?
Aptidda 11:47 PM - 21 June, 2018
look on ranes website for FAQ they tell you which lube to use. I also posted which lube I used in another thread. Good luck.
r3k0 11:48 PM - 21 June, 2018
Seen as i don't use no shite controllers or cdj fkn j's its deffo Technics and Rane ;-)
r3k0 11:49 PM - 21 June, 2018
Dont be a cnt you, its Du-Pont multi purpose oil?? The shit ya cant get if you are in UK.
Chino 12:04 AM - 22 June, 2018
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its Du-Pont multi purpose oil


Thanks for the tip! I did some searching and found a link to a YouTube vid explaining the exact type of fader lube to use. The direct link is listed below to help save others from having to search around for it...

youtu.be
dj_soo 12:13 AM - 22 June, 2018
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I have been djing and repairing dj equipment for over 30 years and wouldn't consider Pioneer as leaders in the field.


From a technical and quality perspective? Absolutely not outside of standalone gear.

From a mindshare and marketing perspective, they absolutely are.
dj_soo 12:15 AM - 22 June, 2018
The DuPont Teflon stuff is really hard to find outside of the states so I stick with deoxit faderlube. It feels great after lubing up, but you do have to do it more often.

It was what they recommended before the Teflon spray.
Chino 12:26 AM - 22 June, 2018
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The DuPont Teflon stuff is really hard to find outside of the states so I stick with deoxit faderlube. It feels great after lubing up, but you do have to do it more often.


I looked on Ebay and found both products here in the States. The Deoxit lube is much more expensive here- almost twice the price of the DuPont Teflon lube. Is one product better than the other?
r3k0 12:48 AM - 22 June, 2018
Yer, this is reverse for us in EU, Du-Pont stuff cost's silly money, might look into the Deoxit lube, Thx Soo.
For years ive used some extremely thin modelling lube for model trains, its piss thin and works a treat, but always good to have options ;-)
hersh20 7:43 PM - 22 June, 2018
i learned from the 62, never buy a first run rane product ever again. but hey they could have learned from their mistakes.
Aptidda 8:06 PM - 22 June, 2018
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i learned from the 62, never buy a first run rane product ever again. but hey they could have learned from their mistakes.


Ya that 62 was ass from the get go. Even the 57 MK2 with those tiny little cue pads. They got it right on the 72 fer sher.
DJMIYAGI 8:39 PM - 22 June, 2018
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Ya that 62 was ass from the get go. Even the 57 MK2 with those tiny little cue pads. They got it right on the 72 fer sher.

Didn't you put a screen protector on your 72? If it works well I think I wanna do the same. Do you have a link by chance?
r3k0 8:49 PM - 22 June, 2018
I just left the one on it came with, just cut the tab off.
DJMIYAGI 9:06 PM - 22 June, 2018
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I just left the one on it came with, just cut the tab off.

I did that but want another option just in case
Aptidda 10:30 PM - 22 June, 2018
ya check my youtube channel Ap1 Reviews and Adventures. I post a video about the screen protector on there. Make sure to unsubscribe, thumbs down and flame me as hard as possible.

Thanks
Chino 2:27 AM - 26 June, 2018
@Rane... I appreciate the 1.2 firmware update! Thank you!!

So far, I have noticed a BIG improvement to the FlexFx echo. I also like that I now have the option to turn off the touch capacity of the Browse/Scroll knob. The Heads-up-display for Pad Modes is GREAT! All in all, a very welcome update. What we need now is to have effect parameters automatically save after a power cycle and make SDJ internal effects post fader.
thorissr 1:17 PM - 26 June, 2018
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@Rane... I appreciate the 1.2 firmware update! Thank you!!

So far, I have noticed a BIG improvement to the FlexFx echo. I also like that I now have the option to turn off the touch capacity of the Browse/Scroll knob. The Heads-up-display for Pad Modes is GREAT! All in all, a very welcome update. What we need now is to have effect parameters automatically save after a power cycle and make SDJ internal effects post fader.


I agree!! Great update indeed. Once we get a firmware update for the power cycle save feature and Serato post fader effects, it’ll be all gravy.

Great job h Rane!!
YZ 2:41 PM - 26 June, 2018
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i learned from the 62, never buy a first run rane product ever again. but hey they could have learned from their mistakes.


Hey no fair! I had the 62 3 days before it's release date... no issues what-so-ever. The problems started 1yr later when all the crossfader carriers and buttons started snapping off like some of the guys here when you talk ish about the djm! Matter of fact, on the 62 I can't remember the crossfaders lasting more than 45 days before they cracked again, extremely annoying. Glad they re-engineered that.
Aptidda 4:47 PM - 26 June, 2018
Here here! All hail the King that Certainly Rules this land. The Rane 72 will continue to get better and squash the competition.

62's are the "old" bootsy Rane, I don't want to here about your legacy hardware issues. 72 Hail Hail, 72 Hail Hail! 72 Hail Hail Hail!!
r3k0 4:57 PM - 26 June, 2018
Just got out of bed you peasant? :-D
Aptidda 5:01 PM - 26 June, 2018
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Just got out of bed you peasant? :-D


Back at work making a killing ole boy.
r3k0 5:04 PM - 26 June, 2018
:D Chortle!!!
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:21 PM - 26 June, 2018
So rane where are the post fader fx for serato fx?
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:22 PM - 26 June, 2018
And no saving parameters for fx, you know the 2 things people wanted most
r3k0 5:39 PM - 26 June, 2018
This is true, they may have had some of these new features in development for a while, so hopefully those 2 big fixes we need are in the que and will get addressed next FW update. I know nothing about writing software and how these things work but we can hope ;-)
Mr. Goodkat 5:57 PM - 26 June, 2018
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62's are the "old" bootsy Rane, I don't want to here about your legacy hardware issues. 72 Hail Hail, 72 Hail Hail! 72 Hail Hail Hail!!



but they had to put the 62's echo in after the fact? funny stuff Rane troll
Chino 6:05 PM - 26 June, 2018
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So rane where are the post fader fx for serato fx?


+1


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And no saving parameters for fx, you know the 2 things people wanted most


^THIS!!!

Hopefully, there will be a firmware update in the very near future to add these MUCH NEEDED features!!!

'Till then, I will keep practicing & learning how to use all the features of my 72. ; )
WildcardX 7:16 PM - 26 June, 2018
Damn, took that guy a while to show up in here.

On another note; I remember many issues about lack of post fader effects being hardware related so I really hope they don't come out and admit that after the fact. Because I would like to think that the other hardware out there that don't have post fader could have had it with more effort by their development staff.
Chino 8:43 PM - 26 June, 2018
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I remember many issues about lack of post fader effects being hardware related so I really hope they don't come out and admit that after the fact.


I can deal with not having internal SDJ efxs post fader now that Rane has improved the FlexEfx echo. (even though I prefer all efx to be post fader)

IMHO, what is extremely annoying & tedious is having to re-adjust all my efx parameters each time I turn on the mixer!!

A simple 'automatic save efx parameters' feature with the next firmware update would be great.
Aptidda 9:22 PM - 26 June, 2018
The 72 is perfect in every way. If you are so upset about your penner "efx parameters" saving and are too incompetent to turn a knob a 1/4 turn you sir should be ashamed of yourself.
Chino 9:53 PM - 26 June, 2018
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The 72 is perfect in every way. If you are so upset about your penner "efx parameters" saving and are too incompetent to turn a knob a 1/4 turn you sir should be ashamed of yourself.


I'm not upset. I just expect the "King of all Mixers" to include a simple feature like the ability to save efx parameters.

I paid a premium price for a premium mixer so the features need to be at the 'premium' level as well.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:55 PM - 26 June, 2018
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The 72 is perfect in every way. If you are so upset about your penner "efx parameters" saving and are too incompetent to turn a knob a 1/4 turn you sir should be ashamed of yourself.


Are they knobs? I assumed the FX and parameters are touch screen
Chino 10:19 PM - 26 June, 2018
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Are they knobs? I assumed the FX and parameters are touch screen


Its a combination of knob/touchscreen. It really should be an easily fix unless its related to limited CPU/storage resources.
Chino 10:26 PM - 26 June, 2018
As much as I love the Rane 72, I'm not going to blindly proclaim that it is "perfect in every way".

There are some areas where improvements are needed. I'm sure Rane understands this & is working hard to improve the workflow & features.
Aptidda 10:32 PM - 26 June, 2018
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As much as I love the Rane 72, I'm not going to blindly proclaim that it is "perfect in every way".

There are some areas where improvements are needed. I'm sure Rane understands this & is working hard to improve the workflow & features.


ya well opinions are subjective right? (based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions). And to me its perfect, I know its not for you breh, I know your happy with a 12 year old numark. Its all good.
Chino 10:52 PM - 26 June, 2018
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I know your happy with a 12 year old numark.


LMAO, I'm also happy with a pair of 20+ year old Technics 1200MKIIs.

My 1200s are not "perfect in every way" BUT they come close.

It's good to have some comic relief on this forum!!
Aptidda 11:01 PM - 26 June, 2018
lets be real here, Technics 12 + years ago vs Numark 12 + years ago are very different beasts.
thorissr 1:33 AM - 28 June, 2018
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I remember many issues about lack of post fader effects being hardware related so I really hope they don't come out and admit that after the fact.


I can deal with not having internal SDJ efxs post fader now that Rane has improved the FlexEfx echo. (even though I prefer all efx to be post fader)

IMHO, what is extremely annoying & tedious is having to re-adjust all my efx parameters each time I turn on the mixer!!

A simple 'automatic save efx parameters' feature with the next firmware update would be great.


I discovered that you can save your flex effect parameters (depth, hpf, ????) and they will retain its previous state after power cycles. Of course this was the feature I was referring to when I first mentioned it, because I’m pretty sure in order for Serato effects to retain their last parameter settings after a reboot/power cycle it will require a Serato update. The Serato effects are controlled by Serato’s software and if my memory serves me correctly, retaining Serato effect parameters within the software itself has been requested for the longest. Until this happens on Serato’s end, I’m sure the 72 will not be able to retrieve and/or store information Serato DJ when the Serato doesn’t communicate with the hardware to reload previous settings.

If you think about it, every time you restart Serato all effect parameters are reset back to the 7 o’clock position regardless of the position where your physical knobs are located on your hardware, e.g., controller. Serato has confirmed many a times that Serato effects reset after every restart of the app.

For those who weren’t aware of the flex effect save feature, you must access Flex EFX via the 72s menu tree. Now you will see a list of all flex effects with a wrench icon on the left of the effect and a dot on the right of the effect. Tap on the wrench icon for the flex effect you would like to dial in and you will see the same parameters as you would when you power on your mixer. Wash rinse and repeat for all effects and back out of the main menu. Now You can power off your mixer and power it back on, and viola....your parameters for your flex effects should be in the same state as when you dialed them in via the main menu prior to powering your mixer off. Now only if they can give us the option to save options like maintaining the activation and routing of the sampler and key notation vs Master Temp icon. :)

I hope this helps.
r3k0 1:46 AM - 28 June, 2018
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For those who weren’t aware of the flex effect save feature, you must access Flex EFX via the 72s menu tree. Now you will see a list of all flex effects with a wrench icon on the left of the effect and a dot on the right of the effect. Tap on the wrench icon for the flex effect you would like to dial in and you will see the same parameters as you would when you power on your mixer. Wash rinse and repeat for all effects and back out of the main menu. Now You can power off your mixer and power it back on, and viola....your parameters for your flex effects should be in the same state as when you dialed them in via the main menu prior to powering your mixer off. Now only if they can give us the option to save options like maintaining the activation and routing of the sampler and key notation vs Master Temp icon. :)

I hope this helps.


Aaahhhhh, thank you :-D after touching the spanner icon i then remembered seeing that screen ages ago when i got the 72 :-D N1 :-D

Not too bothered about serato fx not saving as im not using any atm because there pre fader still.
thorissr 12:26 PM - 28 June, 2018
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For those who weren’t aware of the flex effect save feature, you must access Flex EFX via the 72s menu tree. Now you will see a list of all flex effects with a wrench icon on the left of the effect and a dot on the right of the effect. Tap on the wrench icon for the flex effect you would like to dial in and you will see the same parameters as you would when you power on your mixer. Wash rinse and repeat for all effects and back out of the main menu. Now You can power off your mixer and power it back on, and viola....your parameters for your flex effects should be in the same state as when you dialed them in via the main menu prior to powering your mixer off. Now only if they can give us the option to save options like maintaining the activation and routing of the sampler and key notation vs Master Temp icon. :)

I hope this helps.


Aaahhhhh, thank you :-D after touching the spanner icon i then remembered seeing that screen ages ago when i got the 72 :-D N1 :-D

Not too bothered about serato fx not saving as im not using any atm because there pre fader still.


I’m in the same boat as you because I only use echo, reverb, and a touch of flanger and these effects are available via the 72s flex effects. As a matter of fact I disabled all flex effects besides the 3 I mentioned. Now I can see the importance for those you chain multiple effects as part of their workflow, in addition to needing the post fader effect to work with Serato’s effects. A mixer such as the 72 really should not be missing that feature.
Chino 1:28 PM - 28 June, 2018
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Serato effects reset after every restart of the app.


Correct. I just now find myself using the effects more on the 72 since it has a touch screen. All good.
Aptidda 3:27 PM - 28 June, 2018
ya you guys weren't aware of this? The EFX info has saved since day one.
PopRoXxX 4:32 PM - 28 June, 2018
I'll be putting up some videos for Rane and the 72/12 setup coming soon. More so showing what the mixer can actually do in real-world situations. Most videos of the setup and mixer itself is ALL scratching. I love scratching and seeing dope scratch videos, but this setup needs REAL world light shed on it for ALL jocks. That's what I hope to accomplish.

I will say, and this is my opinion, after owning/using 57, 68, 61, 62, 64, 900NXS, SRT, 900NXS2 & S9 (and I beat my mixers hard due to being a drummer and having heavy hands). This is mixer has upped the game for sure.

Everyone is going to have their praises and insults on it. It's the nature of the beast. Some people will grab it and praise it, some people will want it but won't get it/can't have it (for whatever reason) so they get mad/insulting, others just don't care either way.

I've always been about quality of product capability and build. inMusic has done right by keeping the Rane sturdy build and the capability of this mixer is crazy. Can't wait to get these videos going.
PopRoXxX 4:33 PM - 28 June, 2018
This* mixer
WarpNote 6:39 PM - 28 June, 2018
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ya you guys weren't aware of this? The EFX info has saved since day one.

Are you sure about that? -> serato.com
Aptidda 6:46 PM - 28 June, 2018
I personally never had the issue, nuff said.
WarpNote 6:54 PM - 28 June, 2018
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I personally never had the issue

That don't mean others didn't have issues...
thorissr 7:35 PM - 28 June, 2018
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I personally never had the issue

That don't mean others didn't have issues...


Warpnote the recalling of Serato effects parameters is still no dice even in Serato’s current iteration. Heck I remember times where you would exit and restart Serato that it would randomly wipe out the actual effects that were loaded in the allocated 6 slots. Having to reload them was a pain....but now they have a bank A and B save feature that was very welcomed.

The person you quoted I assume was speaking on the 72s Flex efx saving between power cycles.
DANGERUST 7:02 PM - 29 June, 2018
There is an update for the 72 which you guys might be interested in www.facebook.com
Chino 7:37 PM - 29 June, 2018
^^^ I'd like to have a CLEAR acrylic vinyl instead of the white. That way custom slip mats can be seen thru the control vinyl & it doesn't get as dirty.

Most of us are already aware of the new 1.2 firmware update but I appreciate the heads up!
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:20 AM - 8 July, 2018
First impressions

Picked up a 72 on Friday and just managed to give it a spin now. I bought locally at a brick and mortar shop as I wouldn't want any issues if I need to return. InMusic Anxiety disorder.

Now I see what challenges everyone coming from a S9 or 62 or any mixer at that face. Layout is wild, it definitely has a learning curve...so if you are planning to cop one, prepare to have it at home for a couple of weeks before you gig out.

I'm running it on my old Yosemite mid 14 MBP and it's all good. Haven't tried it with the Touchbar High Sierra MBP yet.

Selling (technically sold) the 62 it's boxed and on its way to a new owner.

The screens waves are not buttery smooth though as long as it doesn't affect performance I'm good.

Rane is Rane ..... Made in Taiwan or nah.

I m going to get some coloorcaps so I can see the knobs better.

www.instagram.com
dj_soo 11:20 AM - 8 July, 2018
Mine arrives Thursday! So stoked.
r3k0 11:27 AM - 8 July, 2018
Welcome to the 72 fam guys :D HF!
Chino 1:42 PM - 8 July, 2018
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I bought locally at a brick and mortar shop as I wouldn't want any issues if I need to return. InMusic Anxiety disorder.


I completely understand!

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prepare to have it at home for a couple of weeks before you gig out.


+1

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The screens waves are not buttery smooth though as long as it doesn't affect performance I'm good.


Have you tried adjusting the Max Screen Refresh Rate in SDJ Pro? For my setup, I've found that 30 is the sweet spot.
DJ/VJ Graham 4:33 AM - 11 July, 2018
Just curious. How much did the 62 go for?
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:45 AM - 11 July, 2018
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Just curious. How much did the 62 go for?


€700 on EBay.
DJ/VJ Graham 7:27 AM - 11 July, 2018
Ok. Thx. I was just curious. I have debated selling mine but I'm still occasionally using Scratch Live so it's hard letting go of my 62.
I Don't feel I get the same responsiveness with my DVS on Serato DJ (or Serato DJ Pro) as I do with Scratch Live no matter how I adjust the settings.
DJ Tecniq 7:36 AM - 11 July, 2018
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Ok. Thx. I was just curious. I have debated selling mine but I'm still occasionally using Scratch Live so it's hard letting go of my 62.
I Don't feel I get the same responsiveness with my DVS on Serato DJ (or Serato DJ Pro) as I do with Scratch Live no matter how I adjust the settings.
That’s because Scratchlive is better and more reliable. SDJ is like my side chick. SSL is wifey though.💍
DANGERUST 7:59 AM - 11 July, 2018
Ok Guy's I have just brought a Rane 72 and I was using S9. 1st Views of the 72. Looping is harder than the S9 but thinking about mapping differently. And no RCA line outs for Live streaming ;( (which I do weekly) But I think I have found a way around that. I will keep you posted ;)
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:36 AM - 11 July, 2018
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Ok Guy's I have just brought a Rane 72 and I was using S9. 1st Views of the 72. Looping is harder than the S9 but thinking about mapping differently. And no RCA line outs for Live streaming ;( (which I do weekly) But I think I have found a way around that. I will keep you posted ;)


Use the session out
DANGERUST 8:39 AM - 11 July, 2018
I tried that and no luck :(
Djkom 8:55 AM - 11 July, 2018
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Ok Guy's I have just brought a Rane 72 and I was using S9. 1st Views of the 72. Looping is harder than the S9 but thinking about mapping differently. And no RCA line outs for Live streaming ;( (which I do weekly) But I think I have found a way around that. I will keep you posted ;)



Use XLR to RCA cables or adapters

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

I always have with me a bunch of XLR/JACK/RCA adapters to be ready in all kind of situations
DANGERUST 8:57 AM - 11 July, 2018
Thanks i have already ordered them ;)
r3k0 8:59 AM - 11 July, 2018
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I tried that and no luck :(


?? I use sesh out to my monitors, why cant you use them?
dj_soo 9:14 AM - 11 July, 2018
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Ok Guy's I have just brought a Rane 72 and I was using S9. 1st Views of the 72. Looping is harder than the S9 but thinking about mapping differently. And no RCA line outs for Live streaming ;( (which I do weekly) But I think I have found a way around that. I will keep you posted ;)


just to keep it simple: you turned up the volume for that output right? Unlike the S9 which shares the XLR and RCA output volume, Rane mixers have a separate volume knob for each output.
DANGERUST 9:16 AM - 11 July, 2018
I think so lol I will have a look
r3k0 9:38 AM - 11 July, 2018
Im curious :-P
DANGERUST 9:45 AM - 11 July, 2018
With the S9 I was using UCA222 and it worked fine using the RCA outputs. But I got my 72 yesterday and had a play around for 30 mins and opened OBS and noticed I wasn't getting a signal from the mixer for sound. So I had a quick look and couldn't get it to work.

Here is a video I did using the S9, UCA222, OBS, Webcam, Greenscreen etc chew.tv been live streaming for 2 years now.

But I have ordered XLR to RCA ;)
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:56 AM - 11 July, 2018
Plug the RCA from the session out to the PC, then make sure the session out volume is turned up

In obs select the input so line in or how ever your connecting it to the PC
YZ 12:13 AM - 12 July, 2018
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Ok Guy's I have just brought a Rane 72 and I was using S9. 1st Views of the 72. Looping is harder than the S9 but thinking about mapping differently.

Yea, I just mapped an 8 & 16 to the Parameter buttons for each deck. Works swell.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 12 July, 2018
Does it map to all the pages? Or can you map it only to when you hit the loop page?
DJ Tecniq 2:45 AM - 12 July, 2018
Damn there’s no utility mode like the S9 to extend the auto loop on the 72?
PopRoXxX 4:36 AM - 12 July, 2018
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Damn there’s no utility mode like the S9 to extend the auto loop on the 72?

There's no auto loop like the S9. You get all 8 banks of auto loops and manual loops on the pads lol
DJ Tecniq 6:25 AM - 12 July, 2018
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There's no auto loop like the S9. You get all 8 banks of auto loops and manual loops on the pads lol
I was referring to this option so you can extend a 4 beat loop when you choose the loop range.
youtu.be
dj_soo 6:38 AM - 12 July, 2018
that's kind of how every other serato controller or mixer works - the 4-beat loop every time you press the button is unique to the S9.

On the 72, it appears to function closer to how the old Twitch or VCI 380 functions where each pad is a loop length.

It's not ideal because the autoloop and loop roll share the same parameters. The biggest problem is if you choose to have the beatjump controls activated, the loop controls only function for the top 4 pads meaning you have to frantically move the loop lengths between long and short if you want to use both autoloops and loop rolls. It's not as bad if you don't use beatjump.

Personally, I use beatjump more than loops nowadays so it's not a huge issue for me, but I would like to see the loop roll pads function more like the mapping that was on the old Dicers where the loop lengths are different depending on which function you use - roll or autoloop.
WarpNote 8:17 AM - 12 July, 2018
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It's not ideal

Word, I'd go as far as to call it an oversight.
I prefer to have loop controls AND hot cues ready available at all times.
DANGERUST 9:24 AM - 12 July, 2018
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Plug the RCA from the session out to the PC, then make sure the session out volume is turned up

In obs select the input so line in or how ever your connecting it to the PC


Thanks let me know about session out volume
DANGERUST 9:26 AM - 12 July, 2018
The workflow will be harder the 72 compared to the S9 but I guess it will take time to adjust
DJ Marv the Maverick 11:33 AM - 12 July, 2018
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The workflow will be harder the 72 compared to the S9 but I guess it will take time to adjust


I feel the same way too. There is a learning curve.

I'm going to get some knobs as well as everything looks the same to me, especially the internal FX scroll knob and the track scroll knob.

I'm happy that the select track function is on the scroll knob, and not a different button.

I think they missed a trick by not having pad function buttons with the description on it. It's printed on the chassis. Just like on Pioneer/Denon controllers with performance pads.

A flashing orange for active Internal FX button too will be nice. Just glowing orange is not that noticeable to me. I have stacked FX when I didn't intend to.
DJ Marv the Maverick 11:56 AM - 12 July, 2018
What will be sick will be if the screens can do videos e.g. when using Serato Video or Mixemergency

Like the RZX

Deck A Video

Video Mix

Deck B Video
dj_soo 11:54 PM - 12 July, 2018
72 arrived and I've been messing with it for the last hour. Honestly isn't as complicated as I thought it would be and between some custom mapping and a bit of practice, I think this is almost the mixer ive been waiting for for close to 10 years.

Unfortunately, the delivery happened right as my parents delivered my daughter back from babysitting so I didn't get to focus as much as I'd like, but I'm going to give this a serious go tonight after she goes to bed.

Right now, the only complaint I have is the touch screen effect parameters and even then it's not as bad as I thought it would be. The most annoying thing is having to go into the touch screen to change the beat legnths as I like to switch between a couple timings for my echo when I play and the little joystick on the 62 was much easier for on the fly changes. Haven't delved into switching out the hardware effects yet so that may also prove to be a bit of a pain, but I tend to use echo for like 95% of my effects so it's probably not going to be a huge deal for me.

the interface to adjust the software effects are a little clunky, but once you set you software effects to how you like it, it's just a matter of turning on and off what you want to use with the buttons. The fact that the software parameters don't save is annoying, but thats an issue with serato and not the 72.

Have a low key bar gig this weekend that I plan to use it at so we'll see how it feels in real world use, but I'm definitely digging it so far.

Sound quality is excellent as expected too...
Mr. Goodkat 3:23 AM - 13 July, 2018
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Sound quality is excellent as expected too...


would like to see you expound after using it at a gig
dj_soo 4:31 AM - 13 July, 2018
I'll be using it in a big club system next week so I'll find out then.
dj_soo 9:26 AM - 13 July, 2018
Clocked in about 4 hours tonight on the 72 and I think I can say that I love this mixer already. I honestly didn't have that much of an issue adjusting and pretty much felt at home immediately. Some movements will take some getting used to, but for the most part, I never struggled to find a feature I needed. I feel like anyone with extensive experience with the standard controller layout or uses an SP1 will not have much of a problem adjusting. If you're coming from a 62 or 57 and don't have much controller experience, then yea, there will be a bit of a learning curve, but anyone used to the standard 8-pad setup is going to be fine imo.

The S9 is definitely a lot more straightforward and simple than the 72, and I can see why some people will prefer it, but for me, the 72 is just so much more powerful and robust. Effects are definitely more intuitive and easy to use on the S9 and the looping is definitely easier, but it's not as bad I think people make it out to be. Just have to get used to using the parameter buttons to double and halve the time. I've also custom mapped 4-32 beats on one of the user pages. Would have preferred dedicated controls tho - especially using a button/knob like the SP1 or 62 instead of the buttons on the S9.

Some of the new features I need to get used to using - especially the pad effects - and some features I think are useless, like the auto-flare (and I've never really used Slicer). The screen I'm still iffy on. I could have easily been just as happy if the screen was replaced by physical effect buttons, but there were a couple of things on the screen I liked - the kaoss pad style fx are fun, and the new firmware-enabled overlays detailing the pad functions are useful as well. I'd like to get better at looking at the screen instead of the laptop, but the library function doesn't give enough info for me and I'm an avid user of the search field.

Yea it's complicated, but every Rane mixer since the 57 was complicated - people just got used to those mixers and figured it out. There's a lot to memorize if you want to get the most out of the mixer, but I'm pretty confident that a lot will be second nature after a few weeks of practice.
Chino 7:45 PM - 13 July, 2018
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Unfortunately, the delivery happened right as my parents delivered my daughter back from babysitting so I didn't get to focus as much as I'd like, but I'm going to give this a serious go tonight after she goes to bed.


I remember those days... Luckily, my son would fall asleep on the couch while I practiced with the volume turned up!

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The fact that the software parameters don't save is annoying, but thats an issue with serato and not the 72.


+1
dj_soo 8:28 PM - 13 July, 2018
Kid is 4 - no more naps and when I try to practice with her around, she gets more entitled than a club princess in terms of requests.

Unfortunately, she is also firmly in a Disney princess stage so all she wants to hear is Disney songs.

Honestly, the more time I spend on this mixer, the more intuitive it feels. I don't think it's as steep a learning curve as some people make out it be unless you've had zero experience using a controller in the past.

I'm finding the software effects are best used for color effects - like flanger and phaser type sweeps - and I keep the hardware effects for echo and maybe reverb. Probably going to disable all the hardware effects for everything except those two. The pad effects have an echo out for those who want the fade-out type echo and the record stop is useful when wanting that record stop sound on turntable, but you have pitch n Time activated (which makes record stop the old manual way useless).

One thing I wish was that you could remap pads or buttons by the page rather than taking over the entire functionality. For instance, I'd rather map my custom controls to the auto-flare or slicer pages rather than a shift-page, but if you try to remap a pad outside of the custom pages, it remaps the function for every single page.

I'd love to have key shifting mapped to the parameter buttons only when I'm on the cue page or hard map beat lengths on the loop roll and autoloop, but right now that's impossible.

I have two really low key bar gigs this weekend so I'm going to bring it to both those gigs. If things go without a hitch for the next few gigs, I may just sell my 62 asap cause I really can't see myself going back.

Can't wait to bust this mixer out at my next mobile gig to really hear how it performs during sound check.
DJMIYAGI 9:20 PM - 13 July, 2018
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Can't wait to bust this mixer out at my next mobile gig to really hear how it performs during sound check.

It sounds incredible! I'm so glad I picked up my 72
Aptidda 9:39 PM - 13 July, 2018
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Can't wait to bust this mixer out at my next mobile gig to really hear how it performs during sound check.

It sounds incredible! I'm so glad I picked up my 72


Ya best mixer of all time no question asked and HANDS DOWN.

As I have always said: BOW DOWN AND HAIL THE NEW KING YOU PEONS!
thorissr 2:53 PM - 15 July, 2018
I’ve come a long way with familiarizing myself with the 72 with the S9 so engrained into my routine, that I’m now using the 72/12 setup with my MacBook in clamshell mode. IMO this is one of the biggest advantages of having a screen on the mixer. Of course if you need to search for a specific song or make any mid set changes or tweaks, you’ll still need to use your computer. However, if you’re the type that has their music well organized in crates/ subcrates and/or smart crates and don’t take many song requests from people, this setup presents a clean and tidy image. Especially coming from those days when djays were labeled with having Serato Face, or surfing the internet lol.

I typically place my MacBook of to my left hand side, now it remains there but with the lid closed and readily available for those instances I take a song request and need to search for that specific song. QWERTY keyboard on the screen of the mixer....that may be my next request over in the Rane forum....jj!!!!
Chino 3:23 PM - 15 July, 2018
*GIG REPORT*

Another summer BBQ/Graduation party on the books yesterday. I appreciate being able to adjust the display brightness of the 72 so I can see it better during the day. Serato still needs to implement DAY MODE, please!! A 5 hr outdoor event with 90+ degree weather. The 72 performed very well! No issues to report.

The last half hour, I ran internally using the 'TRANSPORT' functionality of the pads. That function is very useful!
dj_soo 9:07 PM - 15 July, 2018
So I've clocked in about 13 hours on this mixer since thursday. Did a 5 hour gig on Friday with turntables and a 4 hour gig tonight with my Denon SC3900s. Both super low key, so there wasn't much pressure involved.

First the bad news: I experienced a weird disconnect on the Friday gig - the mixer flashed, and then functioned like it was running without a laptop connected. None of the controls worked and only the pad fx and fader fx functions were enaged. I was forced to restart the mixer to get it to connect again. The track running from the laptop played as normal and Serato was functioning like a proper interface was connected, but the mixer was not responding to commands. Only saw this once and I realized I was on 2.0.2 rather than the latest so we'll see if this pops up again. Did not see this issue tonight since I updated to 2.0.3.

Other than that one hiccup, I love this mixer. I've had no problems adapting my workflow to it and it already feel 2nd nature for the majority of the controls. It feels like playing on any standard controller like and SX2 or SP1 - only with turntables or CDJs. While the S9 always felt like a neutered version of a standard Serato controller, I can basically do anything I wanted to do on a controller with this mixer.

There were rare occasions that I spent an extra second looking for a command or got annoyed at the amount of pages that I had to flip through to do something basic like adjusting effect beat lengths, but for the most part, nothing felt convoluted.

To be honest, the feature I'm having to spend the most time getting used to are the effect paddles as I haven't had extensive time on the S9 and am more used to the flexfx buttons. It's fine for basic echo outs, but a bit more challenging when working on effect combos and adding in the filter knob.

I actually experimented with keeping the paddles engaged and just using the buttons, but the flexfx button on the 72 doesn't work the same way as the 62 (where disengaging the button will keep the effect in post fade rather than turning off the effect). If there was a way to change that functionality, I actually think the multieffects might be a bit easier than relying on the paddle for the most post fader effects and trying to remember which effects are engaged and which aren't.

The other thing I'm still on the fence about is the screen in general. My workflow requires extensive use of the search field and I prefer to see more information in regards to things like date added, key tagging, and color codes so I generally still need to look at the laptop. Maybe if I'm doing more pre-planned festivals slots, I can ditch the laptop for those sets, but for open format gigs, my system still kind of requires the laptop library.

The waveforms look cool, but zoomed in, the scrolling is pretty choppy and I still prefer to use my record stickers for juggling. More often than not, I found myself keeping the screen on the effects panel just to be able to change beat effect lengths easier. I almost wish there was an option to change both sides at once as that's just one less thing to think about and more in line with how the 62 and S9 work.
dj_soo 9:42 PM - 15 July, 2018
Another thing to love about this mixer is it's lightened my gig bag a decent amount. I no longer have to bring 2 stands and the SP1, nor do I have to pack as many USB cables or a USB hub. It doesn't seem like much, but it goes a long way.
Mr. Goodkat 2:30 AM - 16 July, 2018
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There were rare occasions that I spent an extra second looking for a command or got annoyed at the amount of pages that I had to flip through to do something basic like adjusting effect beat lengths, but for the most part, nothing felt convoluted.


that seems convoluted.

from what i get from you and r-tistic (2 board members that have very good reputations and in depth opinions). is that while you like it and both being capable djs, y'all can make things work regardless of a few issues, is that its not even close to being exactly what you want as an upgrade from a 62.

the touch screen seem to be the biggest problem. Not because it doesnt wori, but because its not really necessary. Has anyone checked into the price if it gets cracked or breaks? Of its under warranty, how long is the fix turnaround?

anyway, im sure some of the firmware updates will solve problems but i'm still gonna wait minimum 1 yr til i grab one.
dj_soo 7:50 AM - 16 July, 2018
I mean, it's pretty much echoing everyone else that the effect section isn't as streamlined as something like the S9 or even the 62. It's powerful to the extent that you basically have 2 hardware effects engines and 3 separate software engines, but certain adjustments require a bit more menu digging, memorization, and button presses than something like other mixers.

If you're the type that only ever echos out at a 1/2 beat than its fine. But if you like the switch between echo lengths or something, then it is definitely less convenient than the halving/doubling buttons on the s9 or the joystick on the 62.
dj_soo 8:32 AM - 16 July, 2018
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its not even close to being exactly what you want as an upgrade from a 62.


Not true - this is almost the mixer I've always wanted. Moreso than the S9, moreso than the 62, certainly moreso than anything else out there in terms of layout and features. Some things need a little more practice to get, but I felt very comfortable with it off the bat barring the effects section which is only really complicated if you want to incorporate the software effects, or want to switch between multiple hardware effects.

It's basically almost all the features of your standard Serato controller, all in a high-end, well built, great sounding scratch mixer.

Are there things it could do better? Absolutely, but I couldn't get the functionality I get in the 72 on a 62 without an SP1, and I would need at least some dicers to make the S9 work as well as the 72 in terms of the control that I want when I DJ.
Chino 12:47 PM - 16 July, 2018
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Maybe if I'm doing more pre-planned festivals slots, I can ditch the laptop for those sets, but for open format gigs, my system still kind of requires the laptop library.


^^^THIS! Most of my gigs are open format so for fast searches I definitely still need to rely on my laptop.

Actually, Ive found this same situation when I used the MCx8000 controller. The technology just wasn't up to the job of doing fast library searches with large open format libraries. Maybe library searches on the Denon Prime gear is faster & easier? A DJ friend of mine also has the Pioneer DJ XDJ-1000MK2. He still reverts back to using the laptop for most of his gigs.

Maybe the technology just hasn't caught up yet? Personally, Im still hoping for a Serato DJ Pro embedded controller (with a qwerty keyboard on the screens)that is able to perform fast multi genre music library searches.
Aptidda 3:28 PM - 16 July, 2018
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Moreso than the S9, moreso than the 62, certainly moreso than anything else out there in terms of layout and features.

It's basically almost all the features of your standard Serato controller, all in a high-end, well built, great sounding scratch mixer.



Here, here. Address his Majesty the Rane 72! Bow down and never take an L with the 72. Sit atop the highest mountain and peer down upon inferior peon mixers (S9 etc).
YZ 4:49 PM - 16 July, 2018
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Here, here. Address his Majesty the Rane 72! Bow down and never take an L with the 72. Sit atop the highest mountain and peer down upon inferior peon mixers (S9 etc).


Anyone? Hello....?
R-Tistic 9:28 AM - 17 July, 2018
So....I went back to the S9. I gave the 72 a good 5-6 weeks, and nah...it's powerful, but just not meant for me and my style.

It's really a preference thing. Some prefer a sports car, some want a SUV. Some prefer Benz, some prefer BMW. The 72 doesn't have enough advantages for what I do, and it takes away from some of the simple things I do the most...so yeah. I feel some of it may be fixed with more firmware updates, and I wouldn't be opposed to getting one in a few years...but for now, I'm gonna roll with the S9, due to everything I've mentioned before. I'm probably the first and only person to trade it back in, I'm sure.
Aptidda 3:28 PM - 17 July, 2018
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So....I went back to the S9. I gave the 72 a good 5-6 weeks, and nah...it's powerful, but just not meant for me and my style.

It's really a preference thing. Some prefer a sports car, some want a SUV. Some prefer Benz, some prefer BMW. The 72 doesn't have enough advantages for what I do, and it takes away from some of the simple things I do the most...so yeah. I feel some of it may be fixed with more firmware updates, and I wouldn't be opposed to getting one in a few years...but for now, I'm gonna roll with the S9, due to everything I've mentioned before. I'm probably the first and only person to trade it back in, I'm sure.


Your post reeks of financial troubles. You must prefer riding in the Toyota, not the AMG Benz.

Here let me re-phrase your post appropriately: "After using the Rane 72 I realized that it was an incredible piece of Hardware, then the bills came in. Unfortunately due to my dire financial circumstances, and the fact that the days where I was eligible to return the unit for a full refund were dwindling, I had to return the unit in order to keep the lights, feed myself with top ramen, cup of noodles and canned tuna and beans for the next month. "
dj_soo 8:37 PM - 17 July, 2018
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Yea, I get it. I know people who still hate things like the 62 or S9 in favour of the old 57 or a 56 + SL2 combo with dicers just because it's more basic and simple and also because it's what they are most comfortable with.

Not everyone needs all the latest features or the most robust control scheme.

For me the 72 is everything I wished the S9 was in terms of control. It's finally a mixer that kind of creates synergy in control style between my controllers and my "proper" turntable or 3900 setup instead of having to make compromises or adjust my control memorization when I flip between my chosen setups.

The only thing that I still feel iffy about is the screen. I feel like if that had put the EQs back in the standard spot and instead of the screen and instead added like a row of 4 knobs and buttons (or button/knob combos) where the EQs are now to control the software serato effects, I would have been just as fine with it.

Although I will say the pop up display when switching functions that they added in the firmware update goes a long way in helping remember what each function for the pads do.
Mr. Goodkat 8:43 PM - 17 July, 2018
without the screen its basically a 62 v2. guess they wanted the screen to make a splash and create a 'new' product although the color scheme, knobs and certain onboard efx(the echo) are exactly the same.
dj_soo 10:05 PM - 17 July, 2018
The knobs are terrible for low light use imo - a problem that Rane has had since the 54.

I swapped out the eq knobs with some chroma caps right away.
DJMIYAGI 10:22 PM - 17 July, 2018
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The knobs are terrible for low light use imo - a problem that Rane has had since the 54.

I swapped out the eq knobs with some chroma caps right away.

I skinned the mixer white, problem solved.
Mr. Goodkat 10:30 PM - 17 July, 2018
yeah, i ordered some 62 z trip knobs last time, but i think they are pretty much all gone or hella expensive
Chino 11:15 PM - 17 July, 2018
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I swapped out the eq knobs with some chroma caps right away.


Do the caps listed for the Rane 62 also fit the 72? I didn't see any Chroma Caps listed for the 72, yet. I def want to replace the encoders with larger more visible Chroma Caps. I may also upgrade the Mic volume, Line 1 & 2, Session In & Master volume knobs.
dj_soo 12:39 AM - 18 July, 2018
Yea, they work fine - I pulled the chroma caps right off my 62
AKIEM 4:38 AM - 18 July, 2018
Rane57MK3
dj_soo 5:49 AM - 18 July, 2018
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The knobs are terrible for low light use imo - a problem that Rane has had since the 54.

I swapped out the eq knobs with some chroma caps right away.

I skinned the mixer white, problem solved.


Who did you use? I was thinking of getting a magnetic skin from 12inchskinz
dj_soo 6:27 AM - 18 July, 2018
more initial thoughts:

with my 3900s, this mixer is even better. There are a small amount of controls I'm missing on the 72 (mainly the key shifting buttons) or would prefer a dedicated button for (like key lock - which exists on the default scheme, but requires 3 button presses to get to). On turntables, I can get by using the custom shift-pages for mapping, but with the 3900s in hybrid mode, I can just map those directly to the CDJ and I don't have to worry about using shift-pages which are kind of annoying.

I also wish you could map specific loop roll lengths rather than only being able to map a knob and engage button. I'm sure a lot of what I want can be accomplished via hacking the midi file, but I don't have the first clue how to do that - if anyone has a good tutorial on how to hack the midi file in serato, I'd love to see it - there are a few features I'd love to remap that can't be done using the on-board midi mapping engine.
dj_soo 6:28 AM - 18 July, 2018
I'm hoping you that you can one day remap the hot cues on the Twelves, but OSA remapping still isn't available...
dj zaza 7:45 AM - 18 July, 2018
Today comes my 72, I will give my impressions after having done a bit 'of evidence, already put on sale S9, I was very satisfied for almost 2 years.
dj_soo 8:54 AM - 18 July, 2018
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Today comes my 72, I will give my impressions after having done a bit 'of evidence, already put on sale S9, I was very satisfied for almost 2 years.


I literally sent my kid to my parents and stayed home all day - on one of the nicest days of the year - waiting for my 72 to arrive.
dj zaza 11:15 AM - 18 July, 2018
arrived an hour ago, first impressions excellent, usability a bit 'cumbersome, but you have to get used, useful display, but framerate bass, waveform is not smooth, same defect of the numark Dashboard monitor. You should speed up the transition between the loading of the song is the display of the waveform, if I close the monitor completely the mixer disconnects, even if there are all the functions of energy saving off. If you are in the screen, and you want to load a new track, the display will not switch to the track list, unless you return to the waveform screen.
DJ WADE-WEST TORONTO 1:44 PM - 18 July, 2018
I'm still using my 57 mk1. It's time to upgrade. For simplicity, it looks like the s9 takes the cake, but I will say I've never played on a pioneer before. vestax, 56 then 57. I'm most concerned with the faders. Don't need all the bells and whistles (a touch screen does nothing for me)
Chino 2:33 PM - 18 July, 2018
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I'm most concerned with the faders. Don't need all the bells and whistles (a touch screen does nothing for me


The faders are excellent on the 72. The fader tension adjustability makes the difference. I've owned a 57SL, 62 & now the 72. A DJ friend of mine also owns a 57MKII. The faders are really good on the 57MKII. There is a noticeable difference between the the faders of the 57mkII/62 and those on the 72. Plus, I prefer the touch screen, larger pads, 2 Mics and Efx workflow of the 72.

It's all subjective/personal preference, though. Maybe try out the 57MKII?
dj zaza 3:15 PM - 18 July, 2018
I can confirm the faders and the crossfader are great, I would have preferred to adjust the tension of the crustaceans using the knob as on s9 to avoid opening the mixer. I will pair pashe at my 72 as soon as it arrives in September, only I will not be able to connect the phono input of the turntables at the same time because the aux input does not support dvs
Aptidda 3:35 PM - 18 July, 2018
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arrived an hour ago, first impressions excellent, usability a bit 'cumbersome, but you have to get used, useful display, but framerate bass, waveform is not smooth, same defect of the numark Dashboard monitor. You should speed up the transition between the loading of the song is the display of the waveform, if I close the monitor completely the mixer disconnects, even if there are all the functions of energy saving off. If you are in the screen, and you want to load a new track, the display will not switch to the track list, unless you return to the waveform screen.


In regards to the waveforms as some one else here on the forum mentioned, turn your waveform view setting to "30". I previously had Serato set on the minimum setting with the fastest waveform update and it was a tad bit choppy. After turning the waveform to "30" setting its super smooth.
DJ WADE-WEST TORONTO 5:04 PM - 18 July, 2018
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It's all subjective/personal preference, though. Maybe try out the 57MKII?


Correct me if I'm wrong -- but wasn't the mkii upgrade simply the onboard sampler? I don't think they changed the magnetic faders
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:19 PM - 18 July, 2018
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arrived an hour ago, first impressions excellent, usability a bit 'cumbersome, but you have to get used, useful display, but framerate bass, waveform is not smooth, same defect of the numark Dashboard monitor. You should speed up the transition between the loading of the song is the display of the waveform, if I close the monitor completely the mixer disconnects, even if there are all the functions of energy saving off. If you are in the screen, and you want to load a new track, the display will not switch to the track list, unless you return to the waveform screen.


In regards to the waveforms as some one else here on the forum mentioned, turn your waveform view setting to "30". I previously had Serato set on the minimum setting with the fastest waveform update and it was a tad bit choppy. After turning the waveform to "30" setting its super smooth.


Shitty mixer screen can't even handle fast waveforms
Aptidda 5:32 PM - 18 July, 2018
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arrived an hour ago, first impressions excellent, usability a bit 'cumbersome, but you have to get used, useful display, but framerate bass, waveform is not smooth, same defect of the numark Dashboard monitor. You should speed up the transition between the loading of the song is the display of the waveform, if I close the monitor completely the mixer disconnects, even if there are all the functions of energy saving off. If you are in the screen, and you want to load a new track, the display will not switch to the track list, unless you return to the waveform screen.


In regards to the waveforms as some one else here on the forum mentioned, turn your waveform view setting to "30". I previously had Serato set on the minimum setting with the fastest waveform update and it was a tad bit choppy. After turning the waveform to "30" setting its super smooth.


Shitty mixer screen can't even handle fast waveforms


lol, jealous sparky?
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:33 PM - 18 July, 2018
Nope have one here and I'm just not that impressed
Aptidda 5:35 PM - 18 July, 2018
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Nope have one here and I'm just not that impressed


I know, its just too complex for a simple minded peon like yourself.
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:38 PM - 18 July, 2018
Not complex enough and as r-tistic said the effects workflow are just a pain the screen space would have been better used for some real buttons for controlling the fx rather then choppy waveforms
DANGERUST 5:53 PM - 18 July, 2018
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I can confirm the faders and the crossfader are great, I would have preferred to adjust the tension of the crustaceans using the knob as on s9 to avoid opening the mixer. I will pair pashe at my 72 as soon as it arrives in September, only I will not be able to connect the phono input of the turntables at the same time because the aux input does not support dvs


Aux inputs don't support DVS?

With my 72 I'm running Audio Techinca LP-1240's using RCA and DVS expansion pack
DJMIYAGI 6:04 PM - 18 July, 2018
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The knobs are terrible for low light use imo - a problem that Rane has had since the 54.

I swapped out the eq knobs with some chroma caps right away.

I skinned the mixer white, problem solved.


Who did you use? I was thinking of getting a magnetic skin from 12inchskinz

I always go with 12inchskinz. Styleflip is garbage
dj_soo 6:13 PM - 18 July, 2018
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I can confirm the faders and the crossfader are great, I would have preferred to adjust the tension of the crustaceans using the knob as on s9 to avoid opening the mixer. I will pair pashe at my 72 as soon as it arrives in September, only I will not be able to connect the phono input of the turntables at the same time because the aux input does not support dvs


Aux inputs don't support DVS?

With my 72 I'm running Audio Techinca LP-1240's using RCA and DVS expansion pack


unlike the 62 where all 4 inputs could support DVS (and were switched in the software), on the 72 only one out of the 2 inputs on each side can function with DVS - the other two are strictly for audio sources. Not really a huge deal as it's just a 2 channel mixer.
Chino 6:17 PM - 18 July, 2018
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Correct me if I'm wrong -- but wasn't the mkii upgrade simply the onboard sampler? I don't think they changed the magnetic faders


I believe Rane also improved the plastic carriers of the faders. The ones on the 57, 57SL & 62 kept cracking/breaking. Rane also switched to silicone type pads for the CUE buttons. They are small but feel good & are really responsive. They also kept the joy stick on the 57MKII which many people love (including myself!)
dj_soo 6:33 PM - 18 July, 2018
I never had a problem with the original 57 carriers. With the 62, the first generation (black plastic) and the 2nd generation (clear plastic) kept breaking consistently in the same spot (magnet would fall out in the 1st gen and the post bracket would fall out in the 2nd).

InMusic made the 3rd generation faders (opaque offwhite plastic) for the 72 and also released updated carriers for the 62. I haven't had a problem with the new carriers since updating my crossfader on my 62 so far so hopefully they fixed that issue.

If you want an unbreakable carrier, the infinity faders are probably the way to go.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:59 PM - 18 July, 2018
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I'm still using my 57 mk1. It's time to upgrade. For simplicity, it looks like the s9 takes the cake, but I will say I've never played on a pioneer before. vestax, 56 then 57. I'm most concerned with the faders. Don't need all the bells and whistles (a touch screen does nothing for me)


I've got both the S9 and 72.

They are both great mixers and irrespective of your choice.

Ease of use, the S9 seems to be my favourite for now.

The S9 is almost 3 years old now...released Oct 2015. A MK2 might just be in the works...
dj_soo 9:59 PM - 18 July, 2018
Mr. Goodkat 1:31 AM - 19 July, 2018
@1:06 the xpad goes back to wav view
dj zaza 11:03 AM - 19 July, 2018
I set the framerate "30" on the monitor of the mac all smooth but on the monitor of the 72 still horrible, what sense does it have the waveform, if then they are visualized as on a comodor 64
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:46 AM - 19 July, 2018
I'm sure adjusting that setting on sdj has no effect on the mixer screen I'm sure Rane will pop in and comment in a few months
dj zaza 1:00 PM - 19 July, 2018
In fact, the adjustment of the fps, on Serato has no effect on the mixer screen, this only serves to make the shots less noticeable on the mixer but does not solve the problem, they have to bring the fps on the mixer monitor at 60hz but also 50, but so it can not be unacceptable, I opened a ticket to help see what they answer.
Chino 3:49 PM - 19 July, 2018
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I set the framerate "30" on the monitor of the mac all smooth but on the monitor of the 72 still horrible, what sense does it have the waveform, if then they are visualized as on a comodor 64


I'm in no way defending inMusic Brand but calling the wave form display 'horrible' is a bit dramatic & exaggerated! Is there room for improvement? Absolutely!

What we are all experiencing is the growing pains of technology. It will improve with time. The 1.2 firmware update has shown us just how committed Rane is to improving the features/workflow of the 72. I look forward to more firmware updates in the future.
dj zaza 3:57 PM - 19 July, 2018
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I set the framerate "30" on the monitor of the mac all smooth but on the monitor of the 72 still horrible, what sense does it have the waveform, if then they are visualized as on a comodor 64


I'm in no way defending inMusic Brand but calling the wave form display 'horrible' is a bit dramatic & exaggerated! Is there room for improvement? Absolutely!

What we are all experiencing is the growing pains of technology. It will improve with time. The 1.2 firmware update has shown us just how committed Rane is to improving the features/workflow of the 72. I look forward to more firmware updates in the future.


Do you think that the framerate on the display will improve? I do not hope so much, another thing to fix is ​​the echo of the mixer, too low, compared to that of s9. yes in the last firmware they have fixed a lot of things, but I am confident that I have spent my money well.
dj_soo 4:25 PM - 19 July, 2018
I find the scrolling is ok if you're zoomed all the way out - it's when you zoom in that things start to get choppy.
YZ 4:27 PM - 19 July, 2018
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Do you think that the framerate on the display will improve?


Improve how? fps? No, the refresh rate of that screen is what it is.
dj zaza 4:29 PM - 19 July, 2018
In fact, I think the display does not have a high frequency, so they will never improve.
dj zaza 4:33 PM - 19 July, 2018
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I find the scrolling is ok if you're zoomed all the way out - it's when you zoom in that things start to get choppy.

It is true when it is at best you see very rough, but even reduced is not great.
DANGERUST 6:01 PM - 19 July, 2018
I have got in contact with Rane and said they need to work on the loop function to make it easier to access. Also I asked if they can get the fx to change colour when you turn those knobs like in Serato but on the Rane screen.
dj_soo 6:14 PM - 19 July, 2018
I find myself just leaving the screen on the effects page other than the rare times I need to use sync or key sync.

It would be nice to use the scrolling waveforms for beatjuggling, but I still think stickers are easier.

I set up a custom page for autoloop mapped with fixed numbers and that made things easier, but I don't use auto looping as much as beatjump these days so the less intuitive autoloop isn't as huge of a deal.

The functionality with autoloop is the same on my vci380 as well so it's not like it was a huge shift in controls for me.
dj zaza 7:43 AM - 20 July, 2018
anyway the Mcx8000 screens are much more fluid than the Rane 72.
dj_soo 8:04 AM - 20 July, 2018
which is weird considering that they are likely the same or at least very similar components given that they are all under the InMusic umbrella.
dj zaza 8:33 AM - 20 July, 2018
In fact, in the test phases they did not notice this problem. I'm not saying it should be like on the Mac monitor but at least something decent.
dj_soo 10:19 AM - 20 July, 2018
what kind of laptop are you using? I wonder if faster laptops will improve performance
dj zaza 10:23 AM - 20 July, 2018
MacBook Pro 15 2017 16GB RAM, 2gb video card. I have no problems viewing on the MacBook is just the framerate on the display of the mixer that is too low
Aptidda 6:24 PM - 20 July, 2018
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MacBook Pro 15 2017 16GB RAM, 2gb video card. I have no problems viewing on the MacBook is just the framerate on the display of the mixer that is too low


that's great and all but that says nothing about your MacBook. I am sure you have a i5 weak ass processor. I have the top rate i7 in my mac and its all good across all fronts.
dj zaza 6:42 PM - 20 July, 2018
the MacBook Pro I have is an i7, so as already mentioned it is not a MacBook problem but only a framerate problem on the mixer screen
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Aptidda 6:47 PM - 20 July, 2018
You must really rely on those serato waveforms to mix. I simply use them for a second for reference and to see where I am in the song. Most of the time I have the effects screen on and the rest is done by ear without sync.

I guess I just have real mixing talent, unlike you syncing/start at the screen peons.
dj zaza 7:00 PM - 20 July, 2018
I do not mean using waveform for the mix, but on this mixer there should not be this framerate problem.
novakone 7:30 PM - 20 July, 2018
Why does anyone bother to reply to this tool??
Chino 8:20 PM - 20 July, 2018
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the MacBook Pro I have is an i7, so as already mentioned it is not a MacBook problem but only a framerate problem on the mixer screen
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Really good video showing the issue you are experiencing! The odd thing is that Im not experiencing such extreme choppiness on my Rane 72/MBP 2012 i7 setup. I usually have the screens scrolling slower on my setup, though.

To test it out, I tried speeding up the waveforms & zooming in & out. Having the waveforms scrolling fast does increase the choppiness on my setup but no where near what you are experiencing. Have you received a reply on your HELP ticket from Rane or Serato, yet?
Aptidda 8:31 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Why does anyone bother to reply to this tool??


Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".
dj zaza 8:31 PM - 20 July, 2018
No answer, even setting to 30 the framerate on Serato however on the monitor of the Mac is still quite smooth, but the adjustment on Serato does not affect the screen 72. Unfortunately until Serato gives us an answer we will not know if it will remain so or there it will be a correction.
novakone 9:36 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".


:)
Your “Ol wife” is seriously starving you of some attention
Aptidda 9:39 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".


:)
Your “Ol wife” is seriously starving you of some attention


was that an ant I just stepped on? Meh, who cares LOL.
novakone 10:21 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".


:)
Your “Ol wife” is seriously starving you of some attention


was that an ant I just stepped on? Meh, who cares LOL.


I just wanna see you cut bruh.
You got all the gear, all the chat
Let’s see those hands do the talking.
dj zaza 10:36 PM - 20 July, 2018
Kane from Serato has just replied to me now I'm going to attach the answer. Tomorrow I will contact Rane to get some more info. I will update you as soon as they answer me.

Hey there

Thanks for getting in touch.

Jittery waveforms on the mixer screens is an issue thats out of our control, I believe a firmware update is required to improve the framerate.

You can reach out to Rane directly if you have any further questions about this, see contact information below
Aptidda 11:16 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".


:)
Your “Ol wife” is seriously starving you of some attention


was that an ant I just stepped on? Meh, who cares LOL.


I just wanna see you cut bruh.
You got all the gear, all the chat
Let’s see those hands do the talking.


feel free to schlep through all of my youtube videos, I cut in them. My hands on these forums are for two things: a.) slapping sense into and checking blue collar working class peons like yourself b.) bringing whole hearted value to conversations c.) giving opposing viewpoints.
novakone 11:25 PM - 20 July, 2018
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Why does anyone bother to reply to this tool??


Probably because I bring entertaining, knowledgeable, and opposing viewpoints to this Forum.

Don't like to hear other people's opinions? I figured you were a left wing, "safe space" needing, LGBTQAAI social justice warrior peon with about as much significance in this world as a "dead ant under my shoe".


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Your “Ol wife” is seriously starving you of some attention


was that an ant I just stepped on? Meh, who cares LOL.


I just wanna see you cut bruh.
You got all the gear, all the chat
Let’s see those hands do the talking.


feel free to schlep through all of my youtube videos, I cut in them. My hands on these forums are for two things: a.) slapping sense into and checking blue collar working class peons like yourself b.) bringing whole hearted value to conversations c.) giving opposing viewpoints.


Dude dats 3 things
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:55 AM - 21 July, 2018
First gig last night with the Seventy Two.

Hooked up a pair of 2000NXS2 via the rane 12 USB hub. No issues.

I have the touchscreen on FX throughout.

The only thing I recalll happening a few times was accidental stacking off FX but I'm guessing I'd need to pay more attention before triggering FX.

I'm still familiarizing myself with the layout , I reached for the Flex FX knob a few times when looking for filter or low EQ.
dj_soo 10:33 AM - 21 July, 2018
First club gig tonight on the 72. No fuckups on my part, and it was running through a PK Sound setup - sounded great.

I get what you mean with losing track of what effects are engaged and what aren't. I've definitely had instances where I tried to engage an echo and realized I didn't have the effect activated.

Still find the software effects best used for color effects like flanger or phaser sweeps.

Still haven't found anything I really dislike about the mixer. A couple things could be done better, but there hasn't been any major design issues I've had on mixers like the S9 or 62.
Chino 7:10 PM - 21 July, 2018
I wanted to mention a small but very functional update included in the 1.2 firmware update...

The paddles now flash when FX are active to ensure the user is aware of its mode.

Before the 1.2 firmware update, there were times when I when I didn't release I still had the efx paddle engaged. This feature helps alot!

Maybe Rane can also implement this to the efx buttons as well? Have the option to have each efx button flash when engaged. That way a 72 user will know which efx is on just by a quick glance.

I know when each efx button is lit- that means the efx is on but there are so many lights on the 72 that it sometimes gets lost in the mix.
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:45 PM - 21 July, 2018
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I wanted to mention a small but very functional update included in the 1.2 firmware update...

The paddles now flash when FX are active to ensure the user is aware of its mode.

Before the 1.2 firmware update, there were times when I when I didn't release I still had the efx paddle engaged. This feature helps alot!

Maybe Rane can also implement this to the efx buttons as well? Have the option to have each efx button flash when engaged. That way a 72 user will know which efx is on just by a quick glance.

I know when each efx button is lit- that means the efx is on but there are so many lights on the 72 that it sometimes gets lost in the mix.


It's like a space ship lol. I had a small USB led light in the booth to see the knobs. In hindsight I think it may have hindered my ability to see what buttons are lit or not.

Great mixer overall.

Just hope they don't drop the ball with firmware updates.

I will be curious to see how Pioneer claps back. The S9 is almost 3 years old.
05spoof 9:52 PM - 21 July, 2018
S9mkII wouldn't have to do much IMO... just add individual pad modes between the decks, usb insert like new 750 and nxs2, actual buttons like the 900's for switching the filter efx, and magvels on the channel faders is all me thinks. Definitely doesn't need a screen just because the 72 has one...but adding an x-pad like the nxs2 for effects wouldn't be a bad idea.

Question for you 72's guys. Does the echo got 3/4 timing option?
DJ Marv the Maverick 12:51 AM - 22 July, 2018
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S9mkII wouldn't have to do much IMO... just add individual pad modes between the decks, usb insert like new 750 and nxs2, actual buttons like the 900's for switching the filter efx, and magvels on the channel faders is all me thinks. Definitely doesn't need a screen just because the 72 has one...but adding an x-pad like the nxs2 for effects wouldn't be a bad idea.

Question for you 72's guys. Does the echo got 3/4 timing option?


I will check on the 3/4 echo. Don't remember it having it. Think it goes from 1/2 to 1. Could be deep in the settings though. Haven't read the manual.

You reckon they will skip the screen waves. They could still put a screen on it but for kaoss style FX. To be honest I find touch screen effect to be meh.
dj_soo 7:16 AM - 22 July, 2018
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S9mkII wouldn't have to do much IMO... just add individual pad modes between the decks, usb insert like new 750 and nxs2, actual buttons like the 900's for switching the filter efx, and magvels on the channel faders is all me thinks. Definitely doesn't need a screen just because the 72 has one...but adding an x-pad like the nxs2 for effects wouldn't be a bad idea.

Question for you 72's guys. Does the echo got 3/4 timing option?


Yes it does - it also has dotted timing as well and you can customize whether you want one or the other, both, or none.
05spoof 2:01 AM - 23 July, 2018
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You reckon they will skip the screen waves. They could still put a screen on it but for kaoss style FX. To be honest I find touch screen effect to be meh.

Yeah something more simple like x-pad on nxs2 seems more ideal and user friendly. As for a screen... not on the updated Serato model. Pioneer would most likely save that for the rekordbox edition, if there ever was one. I imagine the rekordbox version would have xdj-rx2 tech inside an S9 body. Add two ethernet ports so it could load files directly to cdj's. Then release updated plx's that still play vinyl just with added usb outs to connect directly to this rekordbox s9 so it acts like a twelve controlling it through MIDI... all signs point to a standalone media mixer. Definitely seems like the timing is right for one.
Chino 3:14 AM - 23 July, 2018
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I will be curious to see how Pioneer claps back. The S9 is almost 3 years old.


If Pioneer makes an updated DJM-909 with Serato built in & Rane level build quality then I'll buy one!! Maybe Pioneer's next mixer will be a DJM-909 & S9 hybrid? I need a second mixer for my home studio to connect to my 1200MKIIs.
dj_soo 4:10 AM - 23 July, 2018
I'd like to see a "simple" fx screen added in a fw update. Something where the screen is just whatever hardware effects you want in larger buttons (maybe 2 rows of 4 or something) and just tap on the one you want using the knobs to manage the depth. Bonus points if they set it so either knob will control a master depth.

having to tap the hardware effects, click the knob button, then scroll through the effects is a pain.
Chino 4:22 PM - 23 July, 2018
My order from 'Coolor Caps' arrived today. My 72 is officially 'pimped out'- LOL.

I replaced the encoders & faders on my 72. It is much more visible now. The knobs, faders & encoders are very high quality & SUPER FAST shipping! If anyone is interested the link is below...

coolorcaps.com
Aptidda 4:50 PM - 23 July, 2018
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My order from 'Coolor Caps' arrived today. My 72 is officially 'pimped out'- LOL.

I replaced the encoders & faders on my 72. It is much more visible now. The knobs, faders & encoders are very high quality & SUPER FAST shipping! If anyone is interested the link is below...

coolorcaps.com



Awesome! What size did you go for on the encoders/ EQ's/ HP+LP Filter ?
dj_soo 6:08 PM - 23 July, 2018
I've been meaning to deck out my entire mixer, but so far I've just done the eqs/filters.

I had the large knobs from chroma, but they were too squat and exposed too much of the stem on Rane mixers - does cooler have better large knobs?
Chino 6:29 PM - 23 July, 2018
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What size did you go for on the encoders?


I went with the 'SMALL' size encoders. It is slightly larger than the OEM encoders & has a nice rubber feel to them. The fader caps are also slightly thicker & fit perfectly. They have the same amount of space between the stems as the OEM faders.


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I had the large knobs from chroma, but they were too squat and exposed too much of the stem on Rane mixers - does cooler have better large knobs?


The reason I chose the Coolor Caps is because they fit great with very little stems showing. My friend had the Chroma Caps on his 62 & I didn't like that so much of the stems were exposed. His 62 looked like a bag of skittles had threw up all over his mixer! LOL. I wanted a more clean design look so I chose colors that were already used on the 72.
dj_soo 6:32 PM - 23 July, 2018
I didn't have a problem with the regular sized encoders from chroma - just the x-large ones which were too short - looking at cooler, the x-large are likewise shorter. I may grab a pair of the large for my filters from cooler just to try them out.
Chino 6:50 PM - 23 July, 2018
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I may grab a pair of the large for my filters from cooler just to try them out.


Cool. That may be your best bet. It will be larger than the OEM filters & just the perfect size so that the stems are not too exposed.
YZ 3:59 PM - 24 July, 2018
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I do not mean using waveform for the mix, but on this mixer there should not be this framerate problem.


We get it, but basically.... too bad. You're stuck with it. Like I said earlier the refresh rate on the monitor they chose to use with the 72 is trash and it's never going to change until they release a a new mixer with a new screen entirely. You'll have to wear that fact and forget about it.

Personally, I don't have a need to use the waveform section other than scanning tracks with my finger.
05spoof 4:27 PM - 24 July, 2018
S9 MKII
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

made with used recycled toilet paper... cuz it's the sh!+
YZ 6:50 PM - 24 July, 2018
I'd be interested in seeing how everyone "custom mapped" their pads. For me, I don't use PadFX, Slicer, etc. Only use Loop Roll's and Cue Points (for the most part) so I set my Custom Pad Set 1 as follows...

drive.google.com

Still figuring out as I use this thing on which buttons I find myself using and which one's I don't. I absolutely hate having to bounce around different pad sets. Hated it so much I had my Maschine hooked up to my 62 JUST so I didn't have to select bad group 2, 3, and so on... For ex, the Parameters buttons I never use so I mapped them to 8 & 16 bar loops so I wouldn't have to pad mode over to loops, then back to cue points. Streamlining is the name of the game. I also hate how the cue points are set Left to Right over the to 8 pads so I reversed them on Deck 2 to be more in line with each other.

drive.google.com

So what's up?
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:57 PM - 24 July, 2018
Jeff still rocking his S9 youtu.be

Tomorrowland set 2018
Aptidda 8:09 PM - 24 July, 2018
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Jeff still rocking his S9 youtu.be

Tomorrowland set 2018


Who cares?
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:12 PM - 24 July, 2018
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S9 MKII
c1.staticflickr.com

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

made with used recycled toilet paper... cuz it's the sh!+


Did you 'shop that?

Nothing wrong with your design imho

● Once the performance pages are independent per channel

● Ability to use both Serato and S9 FX together

I don't care much about scrolling waveforms or reading my library from the mixer, the computer is still there.

● Magvel on the upfaders and pro in the x-fader or even better Magvel pro errthang with independent feel adjustment (trust Pioneer to stick Magvel pro and include one feel adjustment knob)

● a hub for at least 4 USB devices.

● class complaint on mac & Windows ( 72 is only class compliant with Mac right)
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:19 PM - 24 July, 2018
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Tomorrowland set 2018


Who cares?


Thought he will be rocking the Twelves at least, isn't that one of the selling points. Vibration proof in situations like that.

I can't imagine how loud that festival must be and he still performed like does.
dj_soo 10:54 PM - 24 July, 2018
there's a vid of him using Twelves at another festival. I could see it only being available at a small number of places right now. Who would want to tour with a full set of decks? Granted, given the size of his entourage at his gigs, it probably wouldn't be that hard for him...
dj_soo 5:34 AM - 25 July, 2018
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I'd be interested in seeing how everyone "custom mapped" their pads. For me, I don't use PadFX, Slicer, etc. Only use Loop Roll's and Cue Points (for the most part) so I set my Custom Pad Set 1 as follows...


I only have one custom page as the 72 does almost everything I need by default.

I was mapping the Cue custom page at first, but then I found myself occasionally accidentally restarting a track when I thought I was on my custom page but was actually on the default so I switched to the loop roll page instead.

First row I have: pitch down semitone, pitch up semitone, slip mode, censor.

I really wish you could remap the default pads without overwriting all the functions as I hate using shift-functions for the most part.

2nd row is all autoloops, but I have them set as fixed loops from 4, 8, 16, 32
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:14 PM - 25 July, 2018
Had my first screen freeze a couple of days ago.

Everything else was working fine, the screen just froze and only a power cycle solved it. Obviously with screen froze I could not use any screen functions

This happened just after adjusting the screen settings and options of the mixer via the touch screen, whilst playing music.

I just thought it was because I was playing music and tinkering with settings at the same time as the cause of it…I will keep an eye on things, perhaps do same again to see if it’s reproducible
Chino 5:46 PM - 25 July, 2018
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Had my first screen freeze a couple of days ago.

Everything else was working fine, the screen just froze and only a power cycle solved it. Obviously with screen froze I could not use any screen functions

This happened just after adjusting the screen settings and options of the mixer via the touch screen, whilst playing music.

I just thought it was because I was playing music and tinkering with settings at the same time as the cause of it…I will keep an eye on things, perhaps do same again to see if it’s reproducible


NOOOOOO, say it ain't so! Knock on wood, pray to the DJ Gods & offer up a sacrifice so that it doesn't happen again! LOL!
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:34 PM - 25 July, 2018
@chino lol

There is a handful of posts up on the Rane forum one or two guys reporting same.

Also someone posted a video in the 72 Facebook page.

Not fake news lol.
05spoof 1:53 AM - 26 July, 2018
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S9 MKII
c1.staticflickr.com

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

made with used recycled toilet paper... cuz it's the sh!+


Did you 'shop that?

Nothing wrong with your design imho

● Once the performance pages are independent per channel

● Ability to use both Serato and S9 FX together

I don't care much about scrolling waveforms or reading my library from the mixer, the computer is still there.

● Magvel on the upfaders and pro in the x-fader or even better Magvel pro errthang with independent feel adjustment (trust Pioneer to stick Magvel pro and include one feel adjustment knob)

● a hub for at least 4 USB devices.

● class complaint on mac & Windows ( 72 is only class compliant with Mac right)

Regular magvels I think are good enough for the channels. They just need to put that tiny hole for tension adjust like thy did with the sz cross.

I hope they come with more color choices... Like they do with the 900s. I want one with an all white chassis with black pioneer logo, white faceplate, and that same glossy black top half where all the knobs are.
Aptidda 3:21 PM - 26 July, 2018
"Regular magvels I think are good enough for the channels". NO sorry. They are only acceptable IF you are just a plain jane mix DJ.

One of the things I absolutely hated about the Pioneer DJM S9 were those channel faders. The cut in time WAS TERRIBLE. Absolutely unacceptable if you are a scratch DJ. And honestly who cares about having "external" adjustment of the crossfader feel? When I had an S9 I recall twiddling that fader adjustment knob once to set it to the right feeling and that was it.
05spoof 6:24 PM - 26 July, 2018
^ guess that makes me a plain jane.
YZ 6:35 PM - 26 July, 2018
To have multiple different types of faders in a flagshit mixer is mad corny tbh. It just creates all sorts of issues god forbid you have to swap one out like you can in the Rane (unless you carry spare x-faders) but those days are over with so why they complicate that issue is beyond me.

Secondly, I scratch a ton and use the channel faders a lot to cut so having that feel on any fader I choose to cut on is extremely important. The feel adjustments I made on the 72 we're set it and forget it, never had to touch them again, just made them all equals.
Aptidda 8:53 PM - 26 July, 2018
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To have multiple different types of faders in a flagshit mixer is mad corny tbh. It just creates all sorts of issues god forbid you have to swap one out like you can in the Rane (unless you carry spare x-faders) but those days are over with so why they complicate that issue is beyond me.

Secondly, I scratch a ton and use the channel faders a lot to cut so having that feel on any fader I choose to cut on is extremely important. The feel adjustments I made on the 72 we're set it and forget it, never had to touch them again, just made them all equals.


Amen!
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:11 PM - 27 July, 2018
Ok looks like I've got issues. Trying to prep for a private function tomorrow and was planning to use the 72 and the pair of SC5000s.

72 + Serato DJ 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 is unuseable on my end, the only thing new system wise is I have a new 4TB external SSD.

My old Mac mid 17 MacBook Pro i7 etc etc

Serato works fine with my Roland DJ 808 btw, so I will be rocking that at the gig.

Here are my results - videos

www.dropbox.com


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Tried on Windows as well, same results

What y'all think.
dj_soo 6:26 PM - 27 July, 2018
looks like the 72 isn't detecting serato i guess? Is the music coming from usb or from serato? I saw this happen once, but a restart of the 72 fixed it.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:33 PM - 27 July, 2018
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looks like the 72 isn't detecting serato i guess? Is the music coming from usb or from serato? I saw this happen once, but a restart of the 72 fixed it.



From Serato. No USB plugged into the SC5000.

I restarted a dozen times, changed USB cables swapped ports, used dongle, plugged direct.

Last thing I want to try is just plain DVS ie use the 72 with TTs just to outrule any chance that the SC5000 is the cause.
DJ Tecniq 6:36 PM - 27 July, 2018
Did you update firmware?
Aptidda 6:44 PM - 27 July, 2018
couldn't you just use a serato noise map tone from the SC5000 to the 72? I don't understand what your issue is as you didn't explain and I cant open the attachments.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:46 PM - 27 July, 2018
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Yeah it's on the new new firmware from the day I bought it.

I used it in the club last Friday with a pair of CDJs and it was flawless.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:50 PM - 27 July, 2018
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couldn't you just use a serato noise map tone from the SC5000 to the 72? I don't understand what your issue is as you didn't explain and I cant open the attachments.


Well it's hard to explain in words hence the videos

But I will summarise

Its freezing

It's seizing audio

It's unresponsive

Faders don't work, Screen doesn't work.

Nope I won't use timecode Aptidda. It's gonna stay at home, I will gig with other gear. It's not do or die.
Chino 6:51 PM - 27 July, 2018
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Ok looks like I've got issues. Trying to prep for a private function tomorrow and was planning to use the 72 and the pair of SC5000s.

72 + Serato DJ 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 is unuseable on my end, the only thing new system wise is I have a new 4TB external SSD.


Damn. Now you have me worried! I just fired up my setup to test everything out to make sure everything is running ok. I'm using the 72/3900s for an upcoming event this Sat. I use a 4TB G-drive at home that holds most of my music videos.

Did you try doing a "Factory Restore" of the mixer itself under the 'Menu' option?
dj_soo 6:56 PM - 27 July, 2018
what appears to be happening is that the 72 is running in mixer mode as if serato wasn't connected, but audio is still coming from serato.

I'm a little worried as well, I have 2 gigs this weekend I was planning on using the 72 and one SC3900. I have seen this issue once, but a restart fixed it and I haven't seen it since and I've been putting in a lot of hours on this mixer. Hopefully this isn't a widespread thing.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:15 PM - 27 July, 2018
Hold your horses amigo

I have concluded my scientific experiments

1. I connected up with plain DVS ie straight turntable and 72 worked as it should

2. I them tried my earlier combo ie 72 + 5000 and it's not working.

Result

The 5000 is clashing/interfering with the 72, so I'm off to the Denon forums.

The S9 will suffice for tomorrow as that works with the 5000s without any issues.

As you were ladies and gents.
Chino 8:29 PM - 27 July, 2018
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The 5000 is clashing/interfering with the 72, so I'm off to the Denon forums.


I'm glad that you were able to narrow down the issue. Good luck!
Aptidda 8:44 PM - 27 July, 2018
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The S9 will suffice for tomorrow as that works with the 5000s without any issues.


no respect
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:36 PM - 27 July, 2018
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The 5000 is clashing/interfering with the 72, so I'm off to the Denon forums.


I'm glad that you were able to narrow down the issue. Good luck!


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The S9 will suffice for tomorrow as that works with the 5000s without any issues.


no respect


Lol. I hope it's Denon/InMusic/Serato/Rane that's directed at.

There is one other dude on the 72 Facebook page that I see with a 5000 + 72 combo. I'm gonna reach out to him to see if he has the same issue.
Mr. Goodkat 10:17 PM - 27 July, 2018
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Lol. I hope it's Denon/InMusic/Serato/Rane that's directed at.


like respect from and adult troll on the internet would mean something.
Aptidda 11:09 PM - 27 July, 2018
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Lol. I hope it's Denon/InMusic/Serato/Rane that's directed at.


like respect from and adult troll on the internet would mean something.


It surely does, I meant no respect for that Plastic POS Mixer the DJM S9. I should know, I owned one for a few years and was fed up with that garbage.

My old S9 is now where it should be, atop a steaming hot trash pile at the local dump.
CMOS 4:45 PM - 28 July, 2018
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The 5000 is clashing/interfering with the 72, so I'm off to the Denon forums.



MIDI Conflict maybe? Is the prime hooked up via USB to the laptop, like HID or something? Maybe try the Serato tone on a USB stick?
Chino 8:02 PM - 29 July, 2018
*GIG Report*

Rocked a 5hr b-day party last night. NO issues with the 72/3900 combo. I'm becoming real comfortable with all the features. I've decided to replace the rest of the OEM knobs with Coolor Caps. They really help in low lighting & feel great!
dj_soo 9:14 PM - 29 July, 2018
5 and 4 hours this weekend respectively on a single 3900 and the 72 - no issues.

I'm getting more and more comfortable with the effect section although im starting to realize that I don't love the triggers like I thought I would. I always liked it on the S9, but my experience was so sporadic with that mixer that I never really put the kind of hours on it like I am doing with the 72.

I think I would actually prefer if the flexfx button was post fader like on the old 62 as opposed to turning off the post fader effect entirely when turning off the button (as opposed to full post fader you get on the trigger).

Then I could just keep the trigger engaged and press whatever combination of button for the effects I have set up.

Loving this mixer for the most part tho. Agree the combo with the 3900 is almost perfect.
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:04 PM - 30 July, 2018
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The 5000 is clashing/interfering with the 72, so I'm off to the Denon forums.
MIDI Conflict maybe? Is the prime hooked up via USB to the laptop, like HID or something? Maybe try the Serato tone on a USB stick?


That could be it, I'm certain it will work fine with USB timecode. It's not like I have to use the 5000 at all costs, I didn't even buy it to use with Serato, they are meant to be home decks for messing about with. But I had an all day event and I thought let me have them just in case something happens to Serato that I will have the USB to fall back too. Which was what I did but used the S9 with the 5ks.
Aptidda 3:54 PM - 30 July, 2018
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5 and 4 hours this weekend respectively on a single 3900 and the 72 - no issues.

I'm getting more and more comfortable with the effect section although im starting to realize that I don't love the triggers like I thought I would. I always liked it on the S9, but my experience was so sporadic with that mixer that I never really put the kind of hours on it like I am doing with the 72.

I think I would actually prefer if the flexfx button was post fader like on the old 62 as opposed to turning off the post fader effect entirely when turning off the button (as opposed to full post fader you get on the trigger).

Then I could just keep the trigger engaged and press whatever combination of button for the effects I have set up.

Loving this mixer for the most part tho. Agree the combo with the 3900 is almost perfect.


Are you using the 3900 with a serato control tone disc? Did you midi map any of the buttons on the 3900? How are you making it work.

Thanks!
The Return of Dj Sparky 4:50 PM - 30 July, 2018
You could look it up yourself how it works but you're probably too busy sucking that Rane dick
dj_soo 8:01 PM - 30 July, 2018
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Are you using the 3900 with a serato control tone disc? Did you midi map any of the buttons on the 3900? How are you making it work.

Thanks!


older denon cdjs had something called "hybrid mode" which internally generated the control tone while making the buttons mappable. The internal control tone is similar to what the Phase is doing - it's not an official tone but more of a reverse engineered, bootleg tone. It's not perfect - there's lots of sticker drift and I can't seem to get the lights to function with the 3900s, and there's a weird thing where it will just randomly flip to internal mode (flipping back to relative causes no issues), but it's about as good a setup as I could hope for without getting the Twelves - and they're a bit more versatile than the Twelves considering I can midi map buttons, there's more controls, and it offers tons of backup options as it supports USB and CDs.

I'm sure the platter is much tighter on the Twelves tho in terms of sticker drift. For straight feel, the 3900s are great. Kinda prefer it to using timecode vinyl these days...

I had some pretty extensive mappings for my 62, but with the 72, I barely have to use any controls on the 3900s anymore.
Aptidda 8:10 PM - 30 July, 2018
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Are you using the 3900 with a serato control tone disc? Did you midi map any of the buttons on the 3900? How are you making it work.

Thanks!


older denon cdjs had something called "hybrid mode" which internally generated the control tone while making the buttons mappable. The internal control tone is similar to what the Phase is doing - it's not an official tone but more of a reverse engineered, bootleg tone. It's not perfect - there's lots of sticker drift and I can't seem to get the lights to function with the 3900s, and there's a weird thing where it will just randomly flip to internal mode (flipping back to relative causes no issues), but it's about as good a setup as I could hope for without getting the Twelves - and they're a bit more versatile than the Twelves considering I can midi map buttons, there's more controls, and it offers tons of backup options as it supports USB and CDs.

I'm sure the platter is much tighter on the Twelves tho in terms of sticker drift. For straight feel, the 3900s are great. Kinda prefer it to using timecode vinyl these days...

I had some pretty extensive mappings for my 62, but with the 72, I barely have to use any controls on the 3900s anymore.


Cool man, makes sense. I was asking because I used to own a 3900 and miss it.
DJ Yagga 10:17 PM - 30 July, 2018
I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣
YZ 3:41 PM - 31 July, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.
Aptidda 3:42 PM - 31 July, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


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Robbie O 3:48 PM - 31 July, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


Sign... so insecure 🤦🏿‍♂️

In the great words of Common
“If I don’t like, i don’t like it... that don’t mean that I’m hating”

Unless y’all doing to red bull performance stuff i don’t think the 72 is “light years” a head of the S9. Workflow trumps extra bells whistles for most Dj who don’t have a gear addiction. That said the S9, has some blind spots and i respect the cats who prefer the 72, but to trash the S9 is delusional imo
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:21 PM - 31 July, 2018
72 is returned to the dealer. I tried it with the dealers SC5000 as well and we got the same result basically unuseable.
Chino 6:46 PM - 31 July, 2018
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72 is returned to the dealer. I tried it with the dealers SC5000 as well and we got the same result basically unuseable.


And the saga continues with inMusic Brand ; (

Well, at least this time you were able to try it out & discover the flaws during the first 30 days. You got your $$$ back which is a very good thing & we all now know that the 72/SC5000 combo does not work well at all.
Mr. Goodkat 8:16 PM - 31 July, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


Sign... so insecure 🤦🏿‍♂️

In the great words of Common
“If I don’t like, i don’t like it... that don’t mean that I’m hating”

Unless y’all doing to red bull performance stuff i don’t think the 72 is “light years” a head of the S9. Workflow trumps extra bells whistles for most Dj who don’t have a gear addiction. That said the S9, has some blind spots and i respect the cats who prefer the 72, but to trash the S9 is delusional imo


they're adult trolls, how sad is that? just ignore them
Aptidda 9:55 PM - 31 July, 2018
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72 is returned to the dealer. I tried it with the dealers SC5000 as well and we got the same result basically unuseable.


And the saga continues with inMusic Brand ; (

Well, at least this time you were able to try it out & discover the flaws during the first 30 days. You got your $$$ back which is a very good thing & we all now know that the 72/SC5000 combo does not work well at all.


As it shouldn't, get some 12's and call it a day.
DJ Tecniq 12:46 AM - 1 August, 2018
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As it shouldn't, get some 12's and call it a day.
Some 12’s and S9 and call it a day👍🏼
DJ Yagga 1:36 AM - 1 August, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


Sign... so insecure 🤦🏿‍♂️

In the great words of Common
“If I don’t like, i don’t like it... that don’t mean that I’m hating”

Unless y’all doing to red bull performance stuff i don’t think the 72 is “light years” a head of the S9. Workflow trumps extra bells whistles for most Dj who don’t have a gear addiction. That said the S9, has some blind spots and i respect the cats who prefer the 72, but to trash the S9 is delusional imo


Robbie,
It's sad some "adults" just can't take the fact someone will have a different opinion than theirs. The Rane 72 just doesn't appeal to me, and that's that, hard pill to swallow for some 72 fanboys in here - I chose function over bells/whistles.
dj_soo 1:50 AM - 1 August, 2018
You can like what you like - no judgement.

But you're basically making the same baseless judgements by claiming the s9 has "better" functionality and the 72 is just "bells and whistles."

I skipped the s9 because it lacked in functionality I wanted/needed.

Not being able to change functions independently for each side was a big deal-breaker for me. Another big thing was sound quality - something I wouldn't consider "bells and whistles."
desmorider 2:58 AM - 1 August, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣



Are you selling the seventy two?
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:50 AM - 1 August, 2018
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72 is returned to the dealer. I tried it with the dealers SC5000 as well and we got the same result basically unuseable.


And the saga continues with inMusic Brand ; (

Well, at least this time you were able to try it out & discover the flaws during the first 30 days. You got your $$$ back which is a very good thing & we all now know that the 72/SC5000 combo does not work well at all.


As it shouldn't, get some 12's and call it a day.


I think I'm just gonna stay away from InMusic products for now.

I sent in email to all concerned parties on Friday ie Rane, Serato, InMusic and Denon.

I got 2 emails back from InMusic and 1 from Serato. Basically I was informed by both that they couldn't reproduce the issue.

And before they tow the usual line of "maybe it's a fault from your end" "maybe your Mac is not good enough" "maybe the witches from my village are responsible" etc I packed the 72 up, drove to the retailer. I even took my 5000s with me and the 69.

I'm not a Pio fanboy but I never had any cause to return a single Pioneer product in 20 years of spending my own money on DJ gear.
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:38 AM - 1 August, 2018
I have a feeling yz is that cock head aptidda
Clubber1970 2:20 PM - 1 August, 2018
yes, same feeling
Aptidda 3:21 PM - 1 August, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


Sign... so insecure 🤦🏿‍♂️

In the great words of Common
“If I don’t like, i don’t like it... that don’t mean that I’m hating”

Unless y’all doing to red bull performance stuff i don’t think the 72 is “light years” a head of the S9. Workflow trumps extra bells whistles for most Dj who don’t have a gear addiction. That said the S9, has some blind spots and i respect the cats who prefer the 72, but to trash the S9 is delusional imo


Robbie,
It's sad some "adults" just can't take the fact someone will have a different opinion than theirs. The Rane 72 just doesn't appeal to me, and that's that, hard pill to swallow for some 72 fanboys in here - I chose function over bells/whistles.



No you chose a "Honda" (you know, those crappy cars that depreciate faster than a stock market crash that you can count on always seeing in accidents because the broke ass owners drive around with bald tires particularly around a first rain) over a Fully Loaded Chevy Silverado High Country 4X4.

I would know, I owned a S9 for years. That plastic POS is pale in comparison to the S9. Heck, you can pick up a S(hit)9 for less than a grand these days. Good thing I got rid of that trash before the 72 came out.

As soon as the 72 came out, the market for S9's drowned just like Black Tuesday on October 29th 1929. Pioneer Engineers were throwing themselves out of the windows of their sky rises in China.
Mr. Goodkat 6:20 PM - 1 August, 2018
ebay would disagree with your fake news

www.ebay.com

there are only 11 used and about half of those are open box/returns, the cheapest going for around 1300$

the only one in my craigslist area is 1300

the bay is the same thing 1 for 1400$

sfbay.craigslist.org
Aptidda 6:24 PM - 1 August, 2018
Oh hey Mr. Gooddouche!

BWAHAHAAAHAA! Ya that "Bay" one is a scam and has been posted forever.

Try this one smart guy. Go on "EBay" and instead of looking at the "Posts" filter your results to "Sold". OH SNAP! WOW they really are going for HELLA CHEAP.

Pioneer is trash, Rane takes king kong size dumps all over that garbage.

Now do as your told, bow down AND HAIL THE KING. The 72! HAIL! HAIL! HAIL! Kiss the feet of the 72 and get kicked in the face while doing it. Now go back to your home inside the porta potty amongst the filth you associate yourself with.
Mr. Goodkat 6:39 PM - 1 August, 2018
adult troll post the cheap s9s - copy the web address at the top and show us adult troll
Mr. Goodkat 6:41 PM - 1 August, 2018
us.bidvoy.net

$1221 in 2018 for a 3 yr old mixer.

its not a crazy depreciation
dj zaza 7:00 PM - 1 August, 2018
Sold my s9 for 1100 Swiss francs, put up for sale at 9:30 a.m at 8 p.m sold.
Aptidda 8:23 PM - 1 August, 2018
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$1221 in 2018 for a 3 yr old mixer.

its not a crazy depreciation


king kong size dumps mr. , king kong size dumps.
DJ Yagga 8:31 PM - 1 August, 2018
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I tried the 72 for about 4 weeks . . . just not for me !!!
I currently have 5 different mappings for various genres/styles of play on my S9, as well as 4 tweaked user modes on My Pioneer DJM S9. My S9 remains my swiss army knife mixer wise. To each his own: Keep your Maserati truck, I'll settle for my understated, yet powerful & functional Audi RS7 🤣


You tried it, just couldn't afford it I'm guessing so making fun of a more superior product I guess is your way of padding your insecurities about your Shit9... and you don't have an RS7, you're full of crap. My advice, when you've reached your destination (or as far as that 1992 honda civic dx you still owe payments on will take you), try to remove pioneer's shaft from your esophagus and stop partying with the girls. Your DJ game is lacking and sad, like your logo. Hit us back when you step up from the minor leagues.


Sign... so insecure 🤦🏿‍♂️

In the great words of Common
“If I don’t like, i don’t like it... that don’t mean that I’m hating”

Unless y’all doing to red bull performance stuff i don’t think the 72 is “light years” a head of the S9. Workflow trumps extra bells whistles for most Dj who don’t have a gear addiction. That said the S9, has some blind spots and i respect the cats who prefer the 72, but to trash the S9 is delusional imo


Robbie,
It's sad some "adults" just can't take the fact someone will have a different opinion than theirs. The Rane 72 just doesn't appeal to me, and that's that, hard pill to swallow for some 72 fanboys in here - I chose function over bells/whistles.



No you chose a "Honda" (you know, those crappy cars that depreciate faster than a stock market crash that you can count on always seeing in accidents because the broke ass owners drive around with bald tires particularly around a first rain) over a Fully Loaded Chevy Silverado High Country 4X4.

I would know, I owned a S9 for years. That plastic POS is pale in comparison to the S9. Heck, you can pick up a S(hit)9 for less than a grand these days. Good thing I got rid of that trash before the 72 came out.

As soon as the 72 came out, the market for S9's drowned just like Black Tuesday on October 29th 1929. Pioneer Engineers were throwing themselves out of the windows of their sky rises in China.


Years fam? lol ... ? yeaaaarssss 😂
lmao hahahhaa . . . Enjoy your Rane 72 fellow DJ - as I said before, to each his own. 😂
dj_soo 7:39 PM - 2 August, 2018
I think a month of regular use is a good amount of time to judge whether something is for you or not.

I gave rekordbox and the ddj 1000 a month of regular use before I decided that I hate rekordbox and will never buy any gear that is only for that program despite how awesome the hardware is (and I think the ddj 1000 is absolutely awesome in terms of hardware).

It took me like 2 sessions on the s9 to decide it wasn't for me whereas I pretty much loved the 72 from the moment I loaded up a track and started practicing.

The 57 and 62 took me a little longer to get into, but definitely shorter than a month.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:51 AM - 3 August, 2018
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I think a month of regular use is a good amount of time to judge whether something is for you or not.

I gave rekordbox and the ddj 1000 a month of regular use before I decided that I hate rekordbox and will never buy any gear that is only for that program despite how awesome the hardware is (and I think the ddj 1000 is absolutely awesome in terms of hardware).

It took me like 2 sessions on the s9 to decide it wasn't for me whereas I pretty much loved the 72 from the moment I loaded up a track and started practicing.

The 57 and 62 took me a little longer to get into, but definitely shorter than a month.


Will you say you have a positive bias towards Rane gear in general.

Obviously bias is informed by your positive past experience with using Rane products in that even before you get it, you already know you will like it plus willing to give it time.

Don't get me wrong, bias is not a flaw of character but understanding recognising it is good.

I've owned gear by different manufacturers and in the little time I've owned the 72 even if I ignore the issues I have with the unit, I won't be selling my S9 anytime soon.

I have a negative bias towards InMusic in general, other than the SC5000 every thing else under their umbrella has never been 100% reliable in my own experience.

This is all InMusic stuff I own

1. Denon DJ MCX8000 = unuseable
2. Numark Orbit = the wireless dongle stopped working after a few weeks
3. Rane 72 = screen freeze, unuseable
4. Denon SC5000 = Jury is still out

5. Akai APC 40 MK2 = not sure if this was a pre or post acquisition product, but it works as described

So I have a 20 to 25% positive experience with InMusic products

Pre InMusic acquisition
1. Denon DJ MC6000MKII = Stable
2. Rane 62 = Stable but no firmware updates since they took over
dj_soo 8:16 AM - 3 August, 2018
Oh, I'm an unabashed Rane fanboy, but I was definitely wary of the 72 being an InMusic product. The only InMusic gear I've owned were some Akai midi controllers and while they were good, they certainly didn't live up to the pre-InMusic reputation of the MPC.

The 57 and 62 also didn't grab me the way the older 56 and Empath did when I first used them, but I learned to enjoy them. The 72 made me feel instantly comfortable though, and I haven't had a mixer feel that way since maybe the Empath.

I have only had one issue with the 72 and I've only seen it once, but it definitely makes me nervous.

The 62 on the other hand - although I love the sound quality, was never really close to the perfect mixer for me. The build was good, but not the bulletproof build I expect and as a followup to the 57, it didn't really measure up. The breaking fader carriers, the plastic pot stems that would get loose over time, the misfiring buttons, the buttons that could get pushed into the mixer, and the shitty driver support wasn't indicative of the quality of 56/57/empath days.

Even the 57 buttons would misfire on the 2nd and 3rd gen 57s, although that thing was pretty bulletproof in all the other areas.

My experience with the 62 is one of the things that convinced me that US made isn't all it's cracked up to be anymore actually.

I was skeptical at first, but I definitely got swept up in the hype of the videos and reviews and so far, and managed to get an incredible deal so I've been happy with my purchase so far. I've used it at every gig with only one problem which was similar to yours, but solved after a reboot.

None of my gigs have been especially high pressure other than one out of town headling gig (it worked fine for the set).

I have a wedding next week and I'm mulling over using the 72 for it, but we'll see how this weekend's gigs go before I commit. I have enough backups that I'm fairly confident I can whether any issues if they come up...
dj_soo 9:18 AM - 12 August, 2018
3 disconnects tonight. Twice where the music kept playing but all controls stopped working requiring a restart of serato or reboot of the mixer. One where serato just flipped into offline mode.

I love this mixer, but not sure if it's ready for primetime yet. I've been gigging with the 72 for the last month with no issues and tonight it shit the bed pretty badly. Glad it was at a low key gig, but I may have to keep this at home til these issues get worked out.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:18 AM - 12 August, 2018
Looks like there are a good few 72s with screen freeze issues.

I'm still waiting on my replacement. Which to be honest I m not so excited about.

If it suffers the same as the initial unit I got I will just ask for a refund.
dj_soo 9:22 AM - 12 August, 2018
I've never actually had the screen freeze issue. What happened with me is the controls got locked out. Track kept playing and the waveforms kept moving on the screen, but nothing in terms of midi controls. I don't like it, but I can deal with it because with the track still playing, I can at least throw on a backup via my phone or tracks on my USB (I use the denon 3900), and restart Serato or unplug and replug the usb.

What was more concerning was the one time it just went to offline mode which essentially killed the music.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:23 AM - 12 August, 2018
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3 disconnects tonight. Twice where the music kept playing but all controls stopped working requiring a restart of serato or reboot of the mixer. One where serato just flipped into offline mode.

I love this mixer, but not sure if it's ready for primetime yet. I've been gigging with the 72 for the last month with no issues and tonight it shit the bed pretty badly. Glad it was at a low key gig, but I may have to keep this at home til these issues get worked out.


I'm gonna ask for a refund which may prove to be difficult. The particular store I bought from only gives store credit according to their terms and conditions. I only became aware of this after purchasing the 72.
dj zaza 9:49 AM - 12 August, 2018
You already had the latest firmware installed, or you did the update, because it could also be a problem with the latter. We must understand if those who had the units with firmware 1.0 had no problems, and after the update they showed up, I received my 72 with the latest firmware and at the time I have not received any problems, apart from the low frame of the screen , but I have already written to Rane, who told me they had passed the information to the development team. I have a wedding on Saturday, I will let you know if these problems occur.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:53 AM - 12 August, 2018
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You already had the latest firmware installed, or you did the update, because it could also be a problem with the latter. We must understand if those who had the units with firmware 1.0 had no problems, and after the update they showed up, I received my 72 with the latest firmware and at the time I have not received any problems, apart from the low frame of the screen , but I have already written to Rane, who told me they had passed the information to the development team. I have a wedding on Saturday, I will let you know if these problems occur.


Yes I installed the new firmware 1.2 on the 72 immediately I got it for the new features. I didn't try it with the older firmware.

Could be that of course, maybe new firmware was the issue who knows.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:59 AM - 12 August, 2018
DVS worked fine with the new firmware. I only had issues the 72 with SC5000 players. I also used the 72 with 2000NXS2 and played a 4 hour set in a club same week I got it.

I only tried pairing it up with the 5000s 3 weeks after purchase, so I didn't discover the issue. My first 3 weeks of ownership I was using it the entire time with timecode vinyl and apart from one screen freeze it was fine.

Think I had that screen freeze on the 3rd day of ownership
dj zaza 10:03 AM - 12 August, 2018
We will have to wait for a new update to see what will be correct, I would suggest to Rane also to be able to use the knob of the effects of the mixer, not only to adjust the same, but also for those of Serato, since when you are in the visual library and launches into Serato's flanger will not be able to change its power unless you enter the effects screen. so if you select cream echo out, the blue knob works for that, if you select all the effects of Serato, the same knob will act on all 3. and I hope I was clear. Returning to the problems described by you, unfortunately the new firmware correct problems, but create others, a test to do and test the mixer on a Windows machine and see if it creates the same problems.
DJ Marv the Maverick 10:10 AM - 12 August, 2018
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We will have to wait for a new update to see what will be correct, I would suggest to Rane also to be able to use the knob of the effects of the mixer, not only to adjust the same, but also for those of Serato, since when you are in the visual library and launches into Serato's flanger will not be able to change its power unless you enter the effects screen. so if you select cream echo out, the blue knob works for that, if you select all the effects of Serato, the same knob will act on all 3. and I hope I was clear. Returning to the problems described by you, unfortunately the new firmware correct problems, but create others, a test to do and test the mixer on a Windows machine and see if it creates the same problems.


Tested on both Windows and Mac, same results.

I did a proper testing before even contacting Rane or the dealer.

I must have spent close to 8 hours straight trying to find out what the issue was

Tested with the 2 versions of Serato that support the 72 as well.

Different Usb ,different ports, with and without hub etc
dj_soo 10:30 AM - 12 August, 2018
Yea, I have a wedding tomorrow and I may just give it a go. I've been doing 2-4 gigs a week - 4-6 hours each with no issues for the last month. I'll just have a bunch of backups ready just in case.

First thing I did was installing the new firmware, so I have nothing to gauge against with the old one.

I honestly love playing on this mixer and I really hope they can figure this shit out.

I sent an email to Rane about it and I'm hoping it's something that can be fixed in firmware and not something that requires a ship back. Given the handling of the Twelves, I trust that they'll do the right thing if it turns out to be some hardware issue.
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:11 PM - 12 August, 2018
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Yea, I have a wedding tomorrow and I may just give it a go. I've been doing 2-4 gigs a week - 4-6 hours each with no issues for the last month. I'll just have a bunch of backups ready just in case.

First thing I did was installing the new firmware, so I have nothing to gauge against with the old one.

I honestly love playing on this mixer and I really hope they can figure this shit out.

I sent an email to Rane about it and I'm hoping it's something that can be fixed in firmware and not something that requires a ship back. Given the handling of the Twelves, I trust that they'll do the right thing if it turns out to be some hardware issue.


My impression of old rane was it's a transparent company especially when it comes to wide reported issues. They often release an official statement about plans to fix or otherwise.

Not so sure about InMusic Rane though, they did sort out the 12 issues like old Rane but have not said one thing so far regarding the 72s hiccups. Granted it may be just a few of us having issues but it's slowly growing in numbers.

The Rane forum is like a graveyard, No official comment on Facebook or here.

The InMusic bug must have bitten them, "don't admit responsibility" just like the Denon MCX8000 issue.

There is nothing wrong with that corporate approach of addressing issues on an individual basis, the problem is that there is no permanent fix to the issues.

A guy on Facebook made a post where he claimed that he has "returned under warranty twice and still having issues".
Chino 7:22 PM - 12 August, 2018
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The InMusic bug must have bitten them, "don't admit responsibility" just like the Denon MCX8000 issue.


I hope not! So far, my 72 has performed very well with no freezes or disconnects. I plan on using it at an event this coming Friday. I will report back my experience.

For those having issues... Does raising the USB audio buffer to 10ms & lowering the Max Screen Refresh Rate to 20 or 30 make any difference?
thorissr 7:46 PM - 12 August, 2018
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The InMusic bug must have bitten them, "don't admit responsibility" just like the Denon MCX8000 issue.


I hope not! So far, my 72 has performed very well with no freezes or disconnects. I plan on using it at an event this coming Friday. I will report back my experience.

For those having issues... Does raising the USB audio buffer to 10ms & lowering the Max Screen Refresh Rate to 20 or 30 make any difference?



Same here....no issues so far with many 4+ hour gigs since purchase along with a pair of twelves.
dj_soo 8:01 PM - 12 August, 2018
I’m also wondering if these issues have anything to do with my gang 2012 MacBook Pro.

I was having some issues with my 62 until I tracked it down to a bad cable, but maybe my ports are starting to go as well.

I’d be curious to find out what laptops people reporting the issues are using.

Another thought I had - has anyone ever tried runnng serato through a thunderbolt to usb dongle?
Chino 8:37 PM - 12 August, 2018
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I’m also wondering if these issues have anything to do with my gang 2012 MacBook Pro.

I was having some issues with my 62 until I tracked it down to a bad cable, but maybe my ports are starting to go as well.

I’d be curious to find out what laptops people reporting the issues are using.

Another thought I had - has anyone ever tried runnng serato through a thunderbolt to usb dongle?


I'm using a mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.11.6 2.6 i7 quad 16GB Ram 750GB internal HD currently. I plan on updating to an internal 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO Pro SSD soon. I will run that off of USB 3.0.
Chino 8:43 PM - 12 August, 2018
^^^ Opps, lol- I meant that the Samsung SSD will be internal to improve performance. My next EXTERNAL will be a G-Drive SSD running off of USB 3.0 (once the price drops). The link is below:

www.apple.com
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:18 PM - 12 August, 2018
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^^^ Opps, lol- I meant that the Samsung SSD will be internal to improve performance. My next EXTERNAL will be a G-Drive SSD running off of USB 3.0 (once the price drops). The link is below:

www.apple.com


I managed to get a 4TB Samsung SSD for £600 from ebay. Seller posted a bid sale starting at 600 and I was the only bidder. I have it in the enclosure of my old Lacie Rugged Thunderbolt drive.

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I’m also wondering if these issues have anything to do with my gang 2012 MacBook Pro.

I was having some issues with my 62 until I tracked it down to a bad cable, but maybe my ports are starting to go as well.

I’d be curious to find out what laptops people reporting the issues are using.

Another thought I had - has anyone ever tried runnng serato through a thunderbolt to usb dongle?


Mid 2017 MacBook Pro High Sierra with Touch Bar 15" top spec minus the large internal SSD. 16gb RAM, 4gb GPU. Tried different connection combinations ie USB C multi adapter, Elgato Thunderbolt 2 dock and Straight cable.

I also tried it on my Dell XPS 13 Win 10 with an i7 processor using regular USB. The XPS has USB 3.0 I believe.

Serato 2.0.3 and 2.0.4

All above yielded same result...entire 72 unit freezing up, not just the screen, even the knobs and faders didmt work and ultimately disconnection

I tried stock USB cables and oyaide cables
Chino 12:50 AM - 13 August, 2018
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All above yielded same result...entire 72 unit freezing up, not just the screen, even the knobs and faders didmt work and ultimately disconnection


WOW! Not good at all!! Maybe the mixer is faulty? l would not be happy if my $1899 Rane 72 mixer can't be used with a $1899 Denon SC5000/SC5000M! That is ridiculous especially considering inMusic Brand is the parent company of Rane & Denon DJ.

Please keep us updated. I'm def interested now that I may consider buying a SC5000M to use with my Rane 72.
dj_soo 8:41 AM - 13 August, 2018
8 hours tonight with 0 issues although about half that was playing shit in internal mode using the auto-load feature off a playlist.

I did change my usb cable and also realized the night I had tons of problems, I failed to turn off my wifi - which I did tonight. No idea if any of that had any effect, but running without wifi at weddings sucks as I can't download requests I don't have. Previously was running through the usb cable that came with the mixer, but the cable quality that's bundled with the 72 doesn't feel all that great imo.

Running on a pair of SC3900s in hybrid mode.

I was so paranoid tho - had my laptop and phone connected to my line mixer and a usb key loaded up with backup tunes in my 3900s just in case.

Must say that the mixer sounded really nice out of my sound system.
raedonquan 8:57 PM - 18 August, 2018
my 72 hit the bed its done... getting it repaired this week.... the left channel is stuck in a low filter mode.... it was fine up until last week... owned it since april..

15 minutes in to my practice session i thought i left the deck on a low pass filter... pad modes dont change at all...

reset to default and reset the midi to default.... tried 2 laptops and tried just analong input.
desmorider 12:12 AM - 19 August, 2018
POS
dj zaza 2:15 PM - 19 August, 2018
yesterday I had a wedding, from 5:30 pm to 5 am, no problem of freezing the mixer, no drops, everything worked perfectly.
DJ Tecniq 8:36 PM - 19 August, 2018
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my 72 hit the bed its done... getting it repaired this week.... the left channel is stuck in a low filter mode.... it was fine up until last week... owned it since april..

15 minutes in to my practice session i thought i left the deck on a low pass filter... pad modes dont change at all...

reset to default and reset the midi to default.... tried 2 laptops and tried just analong input.
You have really bad luck. Sucks about the 72 prob was a lemon.
DJ Marv the Maverick 1:31 PM - 21 August, 2018
Following up on my earlier post

Just finished testing with a brand new 72 and the shops Denon SC5000

Rane 72 came with older firmware.
Denon SC5000s on latest firmware 1.2
Macbook Pro mid 2017 2.9ghz, 16gb RAM, 4gb GPU running Mac OS High Sierra


Testing results with the new 72

72 (old firmware) + SC5000 (controller mode) = not working

We updated the 72s firmware to 1.2 = Still does not work

Not working = screens freezing, 72 disconnecting,button & knobs unresponsive


So we did a case control study

72 + Pioneer CDJ 2000 Nexus In HID = Working as it should, no freezing, smooth waveforms, super responsive


In Conclusion: Rane 72 does not work with Denon SC5000 and Serato DJ Pro

I left the Rane 72 with dealer.
Chino 1:50 PM - 21 August, 2018
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In Conclusion: Rane 72 does not work with Denon SC5000 and Serato DJ Pro

I left the Rane 72 with dealer.


That is VERY disappointing!! Looks like I won't be buying a SC5000M. I'll wait to see which company brings out a media player/controller with a direct drive moving platter. I guess...Phase it is!!
Chino 1:58 PM - 21 August, 2018
*Gig Report*

I did a 4 hr gig this past Friday using the 72/3900 combo. NO issues at all. At least I know that the 72 works well with my 3900s!
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:27 PM - 21 August, 2018
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*Gig Report*

I did a 4 hr gig this past Friday using the 72/3900 combo. NO issues at all. At least I know that the 72 works well with my 3900s!


Is that in hybrid mode?

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That is VERY disappointing!! Looks like I won't be buying a SC5000M. I'll wait to see which company brings out a media player/controller with a direct drive moving platter. I guess...Phase it is!!


I suspect it's a signal incompatibility (or whatever HID protocol the SC5000 is using to communicate with Serato). If it had been incompatibility with another brand e.g. Pioneer I may have accepted that, but Rane and Denon DJ are under same parent company ,I can't believe no one did some testing in-house.
Chino 2:34 PM - 21 August, 2018
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Is that in hybrid mode?


Yes. I always use the 3900s in the "MIDI HYBRID" mode. It plays a Serato control tone internally.
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:40 PM - 21 August, 2018
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Is that in hybrid mode?


Yes. I always use the 3900s in the "MIDI HYBRID" mode. It plays a Serato control tone internally.


Cool to know.

Maybe I'm the only one with that combo ie 72 + 5000s + Serato DJ Pro.

Most people probably pair it up with the Twelves or CDJs.

Now that the SC5000M is coming out which will probably appeal to the same demographics (ie Rane 72 fans) it will be interesting to see. Perhaps the 5000M will not have the same issue.
dj zaza 5:05 PM - 21 August, 2018
They have already reported the problem of the headphone volume too low. Find the post on the Rane website.
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:32 PM - 21 August, 2018
Serato support says they can't reproduce the issue when I initially contacted them


I've used two 72s, four SC5000s, 2 Different Serato DJ Pro releases, 2 laptops (MacOS and Windows)

Does anyone here have the 72 and 5000s?
dj_soo 6:58 PM - 21 August, 2018
My local shop has a Denon Prime setup - I might be able to swing by with my 72 and just give a it a quick test when I have the time.
dj_soo 7:01 PM - 21 August, 2018
Just out of curiousity, did you ever test the 5000s run into a separate hub rather than the 72 hub?
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:52 PM - 21 August, 2018
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Just out of curiousity, did you ever test the 5000s run into a separate hub rather than the 72 hub?


Yup.

I brought a Windows laptop into the equation as it had a regular direct USB port. Same outcome.

Direct USB/Thunderbolt hub/USB C hub/Direct Type B to C cable same result.

My MacBook Pro has type C.

I even went further today by deleting all Audio Midi files in my Mac setting.

Do let me know if you do test it with the SC5000 and how you get on
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:55 PM - 21 August, 2018
I doubt they even tested it with the 72 and sc5000

ask them for a video like they'd ask you for a video
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:06 PM - 21 August, 2018
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I doubt they even tested it with the 72 and sc5000

ask them for a video like they'd ask you for a video


I just did that lol as Serato support claimed they cant reproduce it in an earlier email.

They didnt ask me for a video but I shot a few so they don't give me the run around.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:16 PM - 21 August, 2018
you have as much of a chance of getting a video response from them as you have of them re releasing scratch live
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:55 PM - 22 August, 2018
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you have as much of a chance of getting a video response from them as you have of them re releasing scratch live


Thrown in the towel on this one.

If anyone lives in Ireland and needs to buy or hire DJ gear, I recommend djbox.ie 100%

Mark is the main guy there and he was very helpful in trying to sort out the issues.

I have gotten my refund for the 72.

If things change in the future I may reconsider the mixer.

I posted my issues on both the Rane 72 and SC5000 Facebook page, not a single official response.

I would have kept it if the issue had been acknowledged by InMusic and a commitment to issue a fix.

Accepting fault does not make a company weak but it reflects commitment to customers.

To think I sold a perfect 62 to make room for the 72.

I still have my S9 thank goodness.
WildcardX 4:01 PM - 22 August, 2018
Oh boy....(Awaits the troll to come in)
Aptidda 4:17 PM - 22 August, 2018
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you have as much of a chance of getting a video response from them as you have of them re releasing scratch live


Thrown in the towel on this one.

If anyone lives in Ireland and needs to buy or hire DJ gear, I recommend djbox.ie 100%

Mark is the main guy there and he was very helpful in trying to sort out the issues.

I have gotten my refund for the 72.

If things change in the future I may reconsider the mixer.

I posted my issues on both the Rane 72 and SC5000 Facebook page, not a single official response.

I would have kept it if the issue had been acknowledged by InMusic and a commitment to issue a fix.

Accepting fault does not make a company weak but it reflects commitment to customers.

To think I sold a perfect 62 to make room for the 72.

I still have my S9 thank goodness.


You should absolutely be ashamed of yourself. Because you were simply not able to work basic hardware with basic software you returned your beloved 72? Yes I feel bad about you getting rid of the 62, but why the S9? Why on earth didn't you get rid of the S9 and keep 62 as a backup instead?

Why Marv............. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:42 PM - 22 August, 2018


You should absolutely be ashamed of yourself. Because you were simply not able to work basic hardware with basic software you returned your beloved 72? Yes I feel bad about you getting rid of the 62, but why the S9? Why on earth didn't you get rid of the S9 and keep 62 as a backup instead?

Why Marv............. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Lol Aptidda never fails to deliver giggles

I will indulge you

The 62 was the obvious choice as I doubt if Rane has any plans to keep supporting it. It's practically "legacy" gear now. Next major OS update may break it.

The S9 is class compliant, no drivers.

In terms of my failure to "work basic hardware" I can't recollect you making any suggestions on how to work the basic 72.

If you have suggestions..I'm all ears. 👨🏽‍🔧
Aptidda 4:48 PM - 22 August, 2018
No Marv its too late, you already returned the 72. We're not cool anymore, talk to me when you re-purchase the 72. Byeeeeeeee
WildcardX 5:05 PM - 22 August, 2018
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The S9 is class compliant, no drivers.



I am not sure how you are looking at the term "drivers" but when I updated my OS from Yosemite to High Sierra on a clean install after holding on for a ling while and finally getting fed up of seeing the notification to update, the drivers didn't work and I had to use the last drivers for El Capitan for the S9 to get it working in High Sierra. If this remains true then it may or may not be the case with having to install new drivers for Mohave.
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:12 PM - 22 August, 2018
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The S9 is class compliant, no drivers.
I am not sure how you are looking at the term "drivers" but when I updated my OS from Yosemite to High Sierra on a clean install after holding on for a ling while and finally getting fed up of seeing the notification to update, the drivers didn't work and I had to use the last drivers for El Capitan for the S9 to get it working in High Sierra. If this remains true then it may or may not be the case with having to install new drivers for Mohave.


You are correct. The S9 does have drivers.

Note to self: Do not update to Mojave.

😂
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:17 PM - 22 August, 2018
that fool doesn't even know how to operate the 72 himself, he didn't even know how to use the tap tempo what a r̶e̶t̶a̶r̶d̶ fool
Aptidda 9:41 PM - 22 August, 2018
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that fool doesn't even know how to operate the 72 himself, he didn't even know how to use the tap tempo what a r̶e̶t̶a̶r̶d̶ fool


breh I'm a beast on the 72, you don't even know.
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:47 PM - 22 August, 2018
You know, aptidda with a 72's a little like the mule with a spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it, and danged if he knows how to use it
YZ 7:31 PM - 23 August, 2018
well, call it whatever but the Mic1 input on my 72 is dead. Mic only works on Mic2 with the toggle switch (which personally I prefer), but this fker is going back to GC for a new one and my boy is gonna cop mine as a "used item" for $400 less than retail minus defective fee so this dude gonna walk out the shop with a 1mo old 72 for like 1400 bucks.

Rane fails FTW!
Aptidda 8:10 PM - 23 August, 2018
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well, call it whatever but the Mic1 input on my 72 is dead. Mic only works on Mic2 with the toggle switch (which personally I prefer), but this fker is going back to GC for a new one and my boy is gonna cop mine as a "used item" for $400 less than retail minus defective fee so this dude gonna walk out the shop with a 1mo old 72 for like 1400 bucks.

Rane fails FTW!


Too bad you are outside of the 14 day "DJ Equipment" return window. Send it back to Rane.
Rebelguy 8:33 PM - 23 August, 2018
Remember folks it's still just Numark with the Rane name on it. Oh well. I am sure Pioneer will have something to take the 72 out shortly.
Aptidda 9:30 PM - 23 August, 2018
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Remember folks it's still just Numark with the Rane name on it. Oh well. I am sure Pioneer will have something to take the 72 out shortly.


I call BS. 72 is THE KING you Pioneer Fanboy!
dj_soo 1:34 AM - 24 August, 2018
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Remember folks it's still just Numark with the Rane name on it. Oh well. I am sure Pioneer will have something to take the 72 out shortly.


Like pioneer doesn't have problems.

S9 with its snapping crossfader and crossfader that stopped working altogether, the 900nxs2 and 2000nxs2 also had problems at launch. Hell, the 250 mk2, interface 2, and sr2 have garbage vinyl preamps in them and it took almost a year for pioneer to begrudgingly use the excuse that the preamps in those units aren't "meant for vinyl and only for DVS" after a litany of complaints.

Fact is, all products are going to have some lemons at launch.

The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.
dj_soo 3:02 AM - 24 August, 2018
This also just happened: serato.com
Mr. Goodkat 3:10 AM - 24 August, 2018
Ranon
Chino 11:09 AM - 24 August, 2018
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Accepting fault does not make a company weak but it reflects commitment to customers.


THIS!!
DJ Marv the Maverick 11:25 AM - 24 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.

Here is my ticket number Serato request #464846

All I keep getting in my email is a survey request to rate the support and of course I vented my spleen.

Serato Inc I believe you have all the gear you are pushing DJs to buy, can you post a video on any of your social media channels showing the SC5000 and Rane 72 working with Serato DJ Pro
Aptidda 3:48 PM - 24 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.

Here is my ticket number Serato request #464846

All I keep getting in my email is a survey request to rate the support and of course I vented my spleen.

Serato Inc I believe you have all the gear you are pushing DJs to buy, can you post a video on any of your social media channels showing the SC5000 and Rane 72 working with Serato DJ Pro


Plain and simple you are just too complacent and lazy to pick up the phone. I have had resolved any and all issues promptly and professionally with InMusic and I have nothing but great things to say.

Whining and complaining about your "support ticket" gets you nowhere. Picking up the phone, and speaking with someone does.

Your like one of those sales guys that cant hold down a job, because he is lazy. He sends emails all day to try and set meetings, and maybe gets a response once a month. Meanwhile your peers are on the phone grinding hard making tons of calls catching managers and setting meetings.

You don't deserve the Rane 72 and I am glad you returned it. Go have fun with your S(hit)9.
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:00 PM - 24 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.

Here is my ticket number Serato request #464846

All I keep getting in my email is a survey request to rate the support and of course I vented my spleen.

Serato Inc I believe you have all the gear you are pushing DJs to buy, can you post a video on any of your social media channels showing the SC5000 and Rane 72 working with Serato DJ Pro


Plain and simple you are just too complacent and lazy to pick up the phone. I have had resolved any and all issues promptly and professionally with InMusic and I have nothing but great things to say.

Whining and complaining about your "support ticket" gets you nowhere. Picking up the phone, and speaking with someone does.

Your like one of those sales guys that cant hold down a job, because he is lazy. He sends emails all day to try and set meetings, and maybe gets a response once a month. Meanwhile your peers are on the phone grinding hard making tons of calls catching managers and setting meetings.

You don't deserve the Rane 72 and I am glad you returned it. Go have fun with your S(hit)9.


Aptidda I will indulge you again

I rang InMusic/Rane. Call transferred to a "Rane Specialist"

Straight to Voicemail for the Rane Specialist whom I believe is a gent named Corey and he is on this forum,and I'm sure he and his crew are reading this, I left a voicemail.

What else have you got Apt 😃

Of course I will keep using the Shit-9 that works (touches wood)
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:01 PM - 24 August, 2018
Perhaps I should jump on a plane to the United States...direct to their office Apt?
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:07 PM - 24 August, 2018
And we have another video by another user

m.facebook.com

He even has a solution for it....It's called a Pioneer DJM S9
Aptidda 4:10 PM - 24 August, 2018
10-4
AKIEM 5:27 PM - 24 August, 2018
Rane answered my calls three times, and delivered. They were a little confused but handled it
dj zaza 5:30 PM - 24 August, 2018
I'm in contact with Rane UK, for some reported problems and they answer me.
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:46 PM - 24 August, 2018
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I'm in contact with Rane UK, for some reported problems and they answer me.


Spoke to Inmusic/Rane USA an hour ago and Gus confirmed the SC5000 Prime is not supported for use with Serato and the 72. Technically pointed the finger at Serato and HID.

He confirmed I was given wrong info by the tech that was dealing with my emails. He is going to let them know the right info.

Strange enough the 72 works superbly well with Pioneer CDJ2000NXS and NXS2 using HID.

And Its the same amount of info on the CDJ screens as well. No moving waveforms. Just an overview and track info.
Aptidda 5:50 PM - 24 August, 2018
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I'm in contact with Rane UK, for some reported problems and they answer me.


Spoke to Inmusic/Rane USA an hour ago and Gus confirmed the SC5000 Prime is not supported for use with Serato and the 72. Technically pointed the finger at Serato and HID.

He confirmed I was given wrong info by the tech that was dealing with my emails. He is going to let them know the right info.

Strange enough the 72 works superbly well with Pioneer CDJ2000NXS and NXS2 using HID.

And Its the same amount of info on the CDJ screens as well. No moving waveforms. Just an overview and track info.


Whats the point of Serato if you have an SC5000 prime? Isnt the whole point to do away with a computer??
dj zaza 6:05 PM - 24 August, 2018
Even the 8000 reloop did not work with s9, as well as sp1, pity that the 5000 and 72 are not compatible, obviously Serato should improve compatibility with certain products if it makes them compatible with their software.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:05 PM - 24 August, 2018
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Even the 8000 reloop did not work with s9, as well as sp1, pity that the 5000 and 72 are not compatible, obviously Serato should improve compatibility with certain products if it makes them compatible with their software.


That's understandable with different companies ie Reloop vs Pioneer incompatibility.

But InMusic owns both Rane and Denon...different brand but same technical department.

Maybe no one tested them together.

The 72 is a great mixer with Turntables and CDJs. I hope they keep improving it with updates and support.
YZ 7:51 PM - 24 August, 2018
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Too bad you are outside of the 14 day "DJ Equipment" return window. Send it back to Rane.


Nope not for this guy. I bought the mixer used at a $300 discount and the deal was the GC dude said he'd replace it when he got more in stock, which they have now. Mine is waiting in a brand new beautiful untouched box behind the counter. I just gotta go pick it up. My boy is going to buy mine from GC after the exchange at a further reduced price and will probably cop for 1400! Nice for him, upon bringing it home HE will send it back to Rane as a defective unit for repair.

Winner, winner.
Aptidda 8:28 PM - 24 August, 2018
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Too bad you are outside of the 14 day "DJ Equipment" return window. Send it back to Rane.


Nope not for this guy. I bought the mixer used at a $300 discount and the deal was the GC dude said he'd replace it when he got more in stock, which they have now. Mine is waiting in a brand new beautiful untouched box behind the counter. I just gotta go pick it up. My boy is going to buy mine from GC after the exchange at a further reduced price and will probably cop for 1400! Nice for him, upon bringing it home HE will send it back to Rane as a defective unit for repair.

Winner, winner.


Chicken Dinner!
raedonquan 9:13 PM - 24 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.




i just got a RMA instantly from Rane to send back my unit...Yes i really have a faulty unit not user error

the left deck is stuck on a low pass filter all the time... in serato mode and in just regular analog input..


i am lucky that the authorized repair center is in my state i drove it over.... the good folks knew that my mixer was comming.

so i shall have my mixer back soon.. wasnt hard no chasing folks on a forum or email tag

just a phone call and a RMA#
DJ Marv the Maverick 1:44 AM - 25 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.
i just got a RMA instantly from Rane to send back my unit...Yes i really have a faulty unit not user error

the left deck is stuck on a low pass filter all the time... in serato mode and in just regular analog input..


i am lucky that the authorized repair center is in my state i drove it over.... the good folks knew that my mixer was comming.

so i shall have my mixer back soon.. wasnt hard no chasing folks on a forum or email tag

just a phone call and a RMA#


I emailed them first time and they sent me a spanking new 72. But they failed to acknowledge that the dealer and I were chasing ghosts and that's my main gripe.

In hindsight there was technically nothing wrong with the first unit nor the second one...just incompatible with the SC5000.

If I had kept this from the forum perhaps another user would have run into the same troubles. I'm sure some people are already dusting off the wallet to cop the new motorised 5000 once it drops to use with their 72. I know Chino is considering it
DJ Marv the Maverick 1:45 AM - 25 August, 2018
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The most important thing is how the company handles the problems when they are reported.


I think InMusics policy is to ignore reports.

I have contacted them directly regarding my experience with the 72.

I would have kept the 72 had they acknowledged the bug.

It's radio silence from them.

I believe Serato is in bed with them as well, as they also didn't respond.
i just got a RMA instantly from Rane to send back my unit...Yes i really have a faulty unit not user error

the left deck is stuck on a low pass filter all the time... in serato mode and in just regular analog input..


i am lucky that the authorized repair center is in my state i drove it over.... the good folks knew that my mixer was comming.

so i shall have my mixer back soon.. wasnt hard no chasing folks on a forum or email tag

just a phone call and a RMA#


I emailed them first time and they sent me a spanking new 72. But they failed to acknowledge that the dealer and I were chasing ghosts and that's my main gripe.

In hindsight there was technically nothing wrong with the first unit nor the second one...just incompatible with the SC5000.

If I had kept this from the forum perhaps another user would have run into the same troubles. I'm sure some people are already dusting off the wallet to cop the new motorised 5000 once it drops to use with their 72. I know Chino is considering it
Chino 8:05 PM - 25 August, 2018
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If I had kept this from the forum perhaps another user would have run into the same troubles. I'm sure some people are already dusting off the wallet to cop the new motorised 5000 once it drops to use with their 72. I know Chino is considering it


I really appreciate the info! THANK YOU!! Your feedback has definitely saved me A LOT of unnecessary stress & aggravation. As of right now, the Denon SC5000M is a NO buy for me for three reasons...

1. Engine Prime just feels like an advanced beta.
2. Compatability with Serato DJ Pro is uncertain.
3. I prefer a 9'' or even 10'' motorized platter. The 7'' is too small for me & I kept hitting the spindle when I tried it out at the DJ Expo in AC.
thorissr 11:52 PM - 3 September, 2018
Any word on if an update is being worked or close to being released such as Serato post fader effects while using the 72? Although it’s not a deal breaker since I’m fully enjoying using my 72, but it would be like having icing on an already sweet cake!

Btw...is there a way to save the selection for routing of Serato sampler output after setting it up?
DjBLiZ 1:26 AM - 4 September, 2018
So, great mixer but 2 things I really don't like is the Cue volume at its highest lever is still to low and the LEDs pads are too bright in a dark setting and no way to adjust them.
dj_soo 1:52 AM - 4 September, 2018
the 60 series of the rane mixers also had issues with low cue volume. Feels like the headphone preamp is a little too low when you properly gain stage the channel gains.
Chino 12:26 PM - 5 September, 2018
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Any word on if an update is being worked or close to being released such as Serato post fader effects while using the 72?


Great question! I haven't heard any news yet. I'm hoping Rane also adds the ability to save effect parameters after a power cycle.
thorissr 3:15 PM - 5 September, 2018
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Any word on if an update is being worked or close to being released such as Serato post fader effects while using the 72?


Great question! I haven't heard any news yet. I'm hoping Rane also adds the ability to save effect parameters after a power cycle.


+1

Guess they put this on the back burner.
djconnect 10:54 AM - 12 September, 2018
I have heard of poor phono pre amps in pioneer. I want to rip my collection and learn extra techniques. What are pros and cons. I have been a pro Dj for over 20 years, however I was using xone 62 then xone 92 and a few pioneers in clubs but never liked the latter. Cheers
dj_soo 7:33 PM - 12 September, 2018
Rane phono preamps are great.

Some tips on the best quality vinyl rips:

- use an audiophile needle and not a dj needle

- use the rubber mat and not a slipmat to reduce noise

- turn down your monitors when recording to avoid feedback

- a belt drive table will actually produce less noise than a direct drive
djconnect 12:03 PM - 18 September, 2018
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Rane phono preamps are great.

Some tips on the best quality vinyl rips:

- use an audiophile needle and not a dj needle

- use the rubber mat and not a slipmat to reduce noise

- turn down your monitors when recording to avoid feedback

- a belt drive table will actually produce less noise than a direct drive



Thanks for your reply dj_soo
If the xone 96 is serato compatible I will choose between that and the Rane 72
Chino 4:25 PM - 18 September, 2018
It's been over three months (& 15+ gigs) since my Rane 72 purchase. Product reliability & stability is always a major concern for me. The Rane 72 has performed extremely well- so much so that the 72/3900 combo is now officially my main setup. Thankfully, the 1.2 firmware update included many improvements to the 72!

Speaking of firmware updates... The ability to save efx parameters after a power cycle & adding post fader efxs would be great too!!
Rebelguy 7:00 PM - 18 September, 2018
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Rane phono preamps are great.

Some tips on the best quality vinyl rips:

- use an audiophile needle and not a dj needle

- use the rubber mat and not a slipmat to reduce noise

- turn down your monitors when recording to avoid feedback

- a belt drive table will actually produce less noise than a direct drive



Thanks for your reply dj_soo
If the xone 96 is serato compatible I will choose between that and the Rane 72


The Xone 96 is not going to be Serato compatible.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:45 PM - 18 September, 2018
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It's been over three months (& 15+ gigs) since my Rane 72 purchase. Product reliability & stability is always a major concern for me. The Rane 72 has performed extremely well- so much so that the 72/3900 combo is now officially my main setup. Thankfully, the 1.2 firmware update included many improvements to the 72!

Speaking of firmware updates... The ability to save efx parameters after a power cycle & adding post fader efxs would be great too!!


😎

+BPM autodetect for analogue sources.

I like the idea of the 72 + SC5000M as a great standalone + serato dj combo. If Denon/Rane/Serato can find a way for it to work.

I will not hesitate to buy the whole lot...i will need to sell the SC5000 Ogs though.
dj_soo 2:56 AM - 19 September, 2018
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It's been over three months (& 15+ gigs) since my Rane 72 purchase. Product reliability & stability is always a major concern for me. The Rane 72 has performed extremely well- so much so that the 72/3900 combo is now officially my main setup. Thankfully, the 1.2 firmware update included many improvements to the 72!

Speaking of firmware updates... The ability to save efx parameters after a power cycle & adding post fader efxs would be great too!!


Same here. I had one issue on my 2nd gig, and then I had one nightmare gig where it disconnected 3 times in one night, but I have attributed that to the USB cable.

It's been pretty rock solid since.
dj_soo 2:57 AM - 19 September, 2018
And yea, the 72/3900 combo is my go to mobile setup now. Either with a single for smaller gigs or a pair for mobile gigs.

I'm at the point where I prefer using the 3900s to turntables outside of sticker drift when beat juggling - but I'm not often doing that at mobile gigs.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 9:54 PM - 26 September, 2018
I'm strongly considering getting a 72, might need to offload my current setup for one.
popnwave 10:37 PM - 26 September, 2018
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Stop man, just stop.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 10:38 PM - 26 September, 2018
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I'm strongly considering getting a 72, might need to offload my current setup for one.


Stop man, just stop.


stop what?
Mr. Goodkat 10:40 PM - 26 September, 2018
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I'm strongly considering getting a 72, might need to offload my current setup for one.


Stop man, just stop.


stop what?


bro, go away
popnwave 10:40 PM - 26 September, 2018
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stop what?


Might want to consider how you form your posts compared to previous users. Your structure, words and other things are very similar to someone else.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 10:41 PM - 26 September, 2018
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I'm strongly considering getting a 72, might need to offload my current setup for one.


Stop man, just stop.


stop what?


bro, go away


Cant stop wont stop Mr. Goodkat ;-)
Mr. Goodkat 10:41 PM - 26 September, 2018
godammit
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 10:41 PM - 26 September, 2018
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stop what?


Might want to consider how you form your posts compared to previous users. Your structure, words and other things are very similar to someone else.


No thank you popnwave. I have not the slightest clue in what you are speaking of fine sir.
popnwave 10:45 PM - 26 September, 2018
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No thank you popnwave. I have not the slightest clue in what you are speaking of fine sir.


Only putting this here for whatever poor souls don't understand what I am referring to but TurtleFaceBrownNoser is a new user, seemingly out of nowhere, that appears not too long after our previous troll got his forum privs revoked. But COULDN'T stay away so he had to create a new one. But he's too dumb to realize that he posts the same way, I am not so sure the admins would like someone circumventing their ban.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 11:11 PM - 26 September, 2018
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No thank you popnwave. I have not the slightest clue in what you are speaking of fine sir.


Only putting this here for whatever poor souls don't understand what I am referring to but TurtleFaceBrownNoser is a new user, seemingly out of nowhere, that appears not too long after our previous troll got his forum privs revoked. But COULDN'T stay away so he had to create a new one. But he's too dumb to realize that he posts the same way, I am not so sure the admins would like someone circumventing their ban.


LMAO! Sure.....
Chino 1:22 AM - 2 October, 2018
Until recently, I was using my 72/3900 combo primarily for more relaxed events that didn't require too many formalities. That all changed this past weekend. For my weddings & Mitzvahs that require lots of formalities, I will often use a controller like my Denon MC 6000MKII. Unfortunately, channel 2 on the 6000 is stuck on THRU mode?! Well... It's a good thing that I always bring backups so the 72/3900 combo to the rescue!

The Rane 72 saved the day. No hiccups or issues at all. In the mobile DJ world it's very important to trust the gear that you use. This past weekend, the Rane 72 EARNED my trust!!
YZ 2:35 PM - 2 October, 2018
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stop what?


Might want to consider how you form your posts compared to previous users. Your structure, words and other things are very similar to someone else.


I say... keep it up! it's great fun.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 3:37 PM - 2 October, 2018
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stop what?


Might want to consider how you form your posts compared to previous users. Your structure, words and other things are very similar to someone else.


I say... keep it up! it's great fun.


Amen brother!
DANGERUST 8:00 AM - 3 October, 2018
After having the Rane 72 for a couple of months now I decided to remap small thing which as been bugging me for some time after using Pioneer S9 for over 2 years. I have remapped the 6th pad to 8 bar loop and the parameter buttons to - / + the loop value. Now I don't need to press two buttons to start a loop. In the passed I have even forgotten which menu I was in and when I wanted to loop I ended up pressing my cue points instead. lol This will not happen anymore ;)
Chino 2:31 PM - 8 October, 2018
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After having the Rane 72 for a couple of months now I decided to remap small thing which as been bugging me for some time after using Pioneer S9 for over 2 years. I have remapped the 6th pad to 8 bar loop and the parameter buttons to - / + the loop value. Now I don't need to press two buttons to start a loop. In the passed I have even forgotten which menu I was in and when I wanted to loop I ended up pressing my cue points instead. lol This will not happen anymore ;)


Nice! I remapped some of my buttons on my Denon 3900s to work better with SDJ Pro. I haven't found the need to remap anything on the 72 yet but that may change in the future.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 4:45 PM - 8 October, 2018
I just recently completely remapped my Rane 72 so its unique to my taste and style. I set it so everything is backwards, actually pretty dope you should try.
Bondage 5:16 PM - 25 October, 2018
Rane 72 beta 1.3 is there !!
DANGERUST 5:53 PM - 25 October, 2018
From next week www.facebook.com
YZ 6:14 PM - 25 October, 2018
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Rane 72 beta 1.3 is there !!


post fader FX fan whiners rejoice!
Mr. Goodkat 6:19 PM - 25 October, 2018
there were no post fader efx? hahahahahaha
YZ 6:20 PM - 25 October, 2018
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No but there is now lol lol lol lol.
Chino 6:37 PM - 25 October, 2018
Im glad to see that Rane & Serato are working hard to provide firmware updates and features!
novakone 8:25 PM - 25 October, 2018
Oh yeah!
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 8:37 PM - 25 October, 2018
now please, please family whats your excuse for not wanting a Rane 72 now?
Chino 2:47 PM - 31 October, 2018
There is a petition on the Rane forum to have the 'Track End' color on the 72 screen changed from red to WHITE. Please VOTE!!

It's a small but significant detail that will help match what is displayed with SDJ Pro. It also makes the "TRACK END' visual warning more visible on the 72. Currently, there are so many lights on the 72 that things tend to blur together!

In another life, I too had a graphic design background. Design details like this matter!
DJMIYAGI 5:07 PM - 31 October, 2018
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There is a petition on the Rane forum to have the 'Track End' color on the 72 screen changed from red to WHITE. Please VOTE!!

Vote here! dj.rane.com
dj_soo 6:24 AM - 1 November, 2018
Two firmware updates with super useful improvements and only released in May. Good sign in terms of the customer support.

New autoloop control is almost perfect and should have been the controls from the start. Only minus is you have to keep it on waveform mode to use which I find myself using less and less of.

I’d like to see the flex fx button (as opposed to the paddles) be fully post-fader. Meaning the trailing effect still occurs when you turn off the blue button like it did in the 62.

I’ve been experimenting with just keeping the paddles engaged and then using only the effect buttons to trigger effects and it works nicely for mixing up the effects. it plays nicer than pressing a button and triggering the paddle imo. The only minus is if you turn off the effect via button, it kills the effect entirely.

Love this mixer more and more every time I use it. I have ditched controllers entirely since I got it cause I’m having so much fun using the mixer. Just bring one sc3900 for small gigs. I sold my 62 already cause it’s been rock solid for months now. I think ditching the USB cables it packed with contributed, those cables didn’t feel all that solid I think it was the cause of the issues I had early on.

If Rane or Numark ever release a 7” or 9” version of the Twelves, I think I’ll basically have my perfect setup.
Chino 11:36 AM - 1 November, 2018
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If Rane or Numark ever release a 7” or 9” version of the Twelves, I think I’ll basically have my perfect setup.


+1! A 9" or 10" mobile friendly version of the Rane Twelve would be great!!
Chino 11:43 AM - 1 November, 2018
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I have ditched controllers entirely since I got it cause I’m having so much fun using the mixer. Just bring one sc3900 for small gigs.


This is my main setup as well. I now keep my DJ-808 at home for studio use. I bring an emergency backup Denon MC 6000MKII controller with me to gigs, though. It's for those 'just in case-if anything goes wrong' situations!
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:41 PM - 2 November, 2018
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If Rane or Numark ever release a 7” or 9” version of the Twelves, I think I’ll basically have my perfect setup.


+1! A 9" or 10" mobile friendly version of the Rane Twelve would be great!!


The price of the SC5000M/SC5000 has dropped to £1099/€1299 in UK/EU.

I just took delivery of a pair of the motorized 5000s in the UK.

There is a price drop as well stateside $1499 on Agiprodj. The OGs are $999.

No Serato support yet but Denon DJ says it's coming.

It's 7" platter though and you looking for 9/10".

The Rane Twelves were never on my radar, can't justify the cost to the feature set.
dj_soo 4:38 PM - 2 November, 2018
I don't really want to spend $2-3k on players where I'm going to mainly be using them with Serato, although the backup system would be nice.

I'm just hoping for a pair of smaller and lighter twelves - hopefully for $500 or less apiece and weighing no more than 12lbs ea. My SC3900s are about 12lbs which is perfect. I did a gig the other month with my turntables and I couldn't believe I used to lug that shit out to gigs all the time and the Twelves are only 3 lbs lighter than technics.

Hell, I'd be willing to settle for a numark branded one.

Add to that the numerous problems people have been reporting about compatibility between the OG SC5000 and the 72 using HID, and that's nothing I want to deal with - especially after spending that amount of money on players. I wouldn't want to use timecode with them because that's a bit of a waste - I want twelves specifically to get away from the downsides with timecode.

Besides, they are $2500 ea. in Canada - way more than I want to spend.
Chino 11:23 PM - 12 November, 2018
The Rane 72 1.3 firmware/SDJ Pro 2.1 beta testing has been a positive experience. I have to admit that I'm impressed with Rane's firmware releases for the 72 so far!

I was extremely worried about the future of Rane products after inMusic Brand purchased the company. It's nice to be proven wrong for a change. Please keep up the good work @Rane & @Serato!!
Mr. Goodkat 3:41 AM - 13 November, 2018
aptidda, what the odds theres gonna be a 71 that doens't have a screen?
Mr. Goodkat 3:42 AM - 13 November, 2018
sp. doesn't
dj_soo 6:00 AM - 13 November, 2018
Has anyone had an issue with Mic1 only outputting through the mains? I don't remember if I saw this issue on 1.2 (and I haven't had a chance to downgrade back yet), but I noticed it recently where mic1 only routes audio through the XLR mains and not the other outputs, whereas Mic2 does.

If someone on 1.2 (and even someone on 1.3 so I can make sure it's not just my unit) wants to check for me, that would be awesome.
Chino 1:22 PM - 13 November, 2018
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Has anyone had an issue with Mic1 only outputting through the mains?


I'm on firmware 1.3. I checked Mic 1 & Mic 2. Both of my Mics route thru the XLRs & the Booth outputs. Not sure if the Clean Mic setting effects routing but I have it set to OFF.
dj_soo 11:07 PM - 13 November, 2018
I'll check my settings - if it's not that, I'll have to roll back to 1.2 to make sure - hope this isn't a hardware problem...
DJMIYAGI 11:18 PM - 13 November, 2018
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I'll check my settings - if it's not that, I'll have to roll back to 1.2 to make sure - hope this isn't a hardware problem...

It's the clean mic feed setting. When enabled, the Mic only routes to the Master out and not the booth or when recording in Serato. I was hooked up at a venue running the booth out as my mains and the mic wasn't working for me. Turned off clean feed and it worked again.
dj_soo 11:38 PM - 13 November, 2018
awesome - I'll check that when I get home...
YZ 3:05 PM - 14 November, 2018
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I'll check my settings - if it's not that, I'll have to roll back to 1.2 to make sure - hope this isn't a hardware problem...

It's the clean mic feed setting. When enabled, the Mic only routes to the Master out and not the booth or when recording in Serato. I was hooked up at a venue running the booth out as my mains and the mic wasn't working for me. Turned off clean feed and it worked again.


Yea, so when I 1st got my 72 for like $500 off list cause some bozo bought it and returned it for CDJ's I thought mic 1 was broken. I returned it for a brand new one a month later but I'm thinking it was this exact issue. Thanks for clarifying.
dj_soo 7:14 PM - 14 November, 2018
yea, it was definitely the clean setting - thanks guys!
DJMIYAGI 9:45 PM - 14 November, 2018
Glad to help fellas!
r3k0 10:42 PM - 14 November, 2018
New update to the v1.3 beta and Serato 2.1, some good new stuff!
YZ 11:03 PM - 14 November, 2018
My firmware updater crashed last time trying to run a firmware update, so I had to use Windows to take it. (F me!)
DJMIYAGI 11:14 PM - 14 November, 2018
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New update to the v1.3 beta and Serato 2.1, some good new stuff!


Additions with Rane 72 1.3.1.107 Public Beta
- Arrows at bottom of FX screen can now be used as Tap Tempo
- Cue names show up on heads up display
- Sampler names show up on heads up display
- Beatjump controls added to heads up display
- Display now shows various sync states
- SHIFT + BROWSE - adds song to prepare area
- SHIFT + BACK - opens prepare area
- SHIFT + Fader - Fader start
- Various bug fixes
DJMIYAGI 11:15 PM - 14 November, 2018
Serato DJ Pro 2.1.0.723 Public Beta #2

New Features
• Added streaming support for SoundCloud Go+ (soundcloud.com)
• Added reverse for Rane Twelve (by pressing Cue Mode + Play/Pause)
• Added fader start for Rane Seventy-Two (latest firmware update required > dj.rane.com
• Added beat jump controls to Rane Seventy-Two screen (latest firmware update required > dj.rane.com

Other Changes
• Fixed an issue where associating a video file to a TIDAL streaming track only persists per session
• Fixed a blank line on devices with screens when viewing a crate list
• Fixed an audio smoothing issue with Rane Twelve when scratching at a slow speed
• Fixed an issue with FX paddles engaging on Rane Seventy-Two
• Fixed an issue where Rane Seventy-Two screen would not update Sync state
• Fixed an issue where AUX channel not available in GUI after power cycle on Rane Seventy-Two
• Fixed an issue where Key and BPM would not display if a track is missing "artist" on Rane Seventy-Two
• Fixed an issue where Sampler would default to wrong output on Rane Seventy-Two
• Fixed an issue with Sampler slot lighting on Rane Seventy-Two
• Fixed missing drop-down arrow on collapsed TIDAL crate icon
• Fixed a potential crash when using TIDAL
• Fixed a potential hang on exit
• Updated translations
dj_soo 12:50 AM - 15 November, 2018
I'll have to say that I'm impressed with the firmware updates on the 72 so far - while this is just a continuation of the 1.3 beta, the fact that they keep adding new and actually useful features is a good sign.
DANGERUST 2:29 AM - 15 November, 2018
I would love to see colours change when adjusting the highs/mids & lows on the Rane display just like Serato does.
novakone 11:43 AM - 15 November, 2018
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+1
novakone 11:48 AM - 15 November, 2018
How do I get this update. Have the 1.3 beta.
Chino 4:56 PM - 15 November, 2018
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How do I get this update. Have the 1.3 beta.


The new Rane 72 firmware update is available in the link posted below:

dj.rane.com
popnwave 5:01 PM - 15 November, 2018
Interesting to see that actively getting bumps along with the 2.1 beta. There is a lot of love for that sucker so far from both sides of the devs.
Chino 5:28 PM - 15 November, 2018
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Interesting to see that actively getting bumps along with the 2.1 beta. There is a lot of love for that sucker so far from both sides of the devs.


I have a STRONG feeling that the Rane 72 is currently getting so much love due to an upcoming release of a Pioneer s9 MKII mixer (maybe a NAMM 2019 announcement??).

Rane needs to bulk up the 72 features so it can go head to head with the Pioneer s9MKII. Competition is GREAT for consumers!!
Djkom 4:25 PM - 17 November, 2018
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Interesting to see that actively getting bumps along with the 2.1 beta. There is a lot of love for that sucker so far from both sides of the devs.


I have a STRONG feeling that the Rane 72 is currently getting so much love due to an upcoming release of a Pioneer s9 MKII mixer (maybe a NAMM 2019 announcement??).

Rane needs to bulk up the 72 features so it can go head to head with the Pioneer s9MKII. Competition is GREAT for consumers!!


A S9MKII will be more likely a R9 than a Serato product... Regarding last (rebranding) serato controller from Pioneer I don't see any reason for Pioneer to launch a new Serato product with Rekordbox beside...
Chino 3:10 PM - 10 December, 2018
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Serato Inc I believe you have all the gear you are pushing DJs to buy, can you post a video on any of your social media channels showing the SC5000 and Rane 72 working with Serato DJ Pro


I'm also VERY interested to see video proof of the Rane 72 & the Denon DJ Prime 5000 working well together. Preferrably, a vid longer than a min or 2. The 5000Ms have been released but no firmware/software update yet to address this concern.
DJ Intrigue 7:16 PM - 10 December, 2018
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Interesting to see that actively getting bumps along with the 2.1 beta. There is a lot of love for that sucker so far from both sides of the devs.


I have a STRONG feeling that the Rane 72 is currently getting so much love due to an upcoming release of a Pioneer s9 MKII mixer (maybe a NAMM 2019 announcement??).

Rane needs to bulk up the 72 features so it can go head to head with the Pioneer s9MKII. Competition is GREAT for consumers!!


This is a hoax, Pioneer is not releasing anything new or any good anytime soon.
YZ 8:33 PM - 10 December, 2018
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Rane needs to bulk up the 72 features so it can go head to head with the Pioneer s9MKII. Competition is GREAT for consumers!!


Ok, so what features does it need then to keep up with this S9Mk2 you speak of?
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:57 AM - 11 December, 2018
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Serato Inc I believe you have all the gear you are pushing DJs to buy, can you post a video on any of your social media channels showing the SC5000 and Rane 72 working with Serato DJ Pro


I'm also VERY interested to see video proof of the Rane 72 & the Denon DJ Prime 5000 working well together. Preferrably, a vid longer than a min or 2. The 5000Ms have been released but no firmware/software update yet to address this concern.


It was a bit of a let down that the 5000M didn't launch with SDJ compatibility.

business or technical reasons...who knows

Rumours of a January 2019 Denon "announcement"...hopefully Serato support for the Ms will be part of that.

The Denon guys say "It's coming"
Chino 3:52 PM - 11 December, 2018
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The Denon guys say "It's coming"


That is good to hear. The Prime firmware update for the MCx8000 took WAAAAAY too long. Hopefully Denon has learned from that mishap & is able to roll out the 5000Ms' update in a more timely manner!
monkeyfunk 9:38 PM - 11 December, 2018
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I'm on my first night with the 72, and eh....the effects are one of the main reasons I upgraded, and I feel I made a mistake by choosing this over the S9, coming from a 62.

Anyone who's seen my quick mix videos would understand how necessary it is for me to have ease in getting to the effects extremely quick...primarily the reverb and echo. It is too tricky to move fast on the 72 when it comes to changing between these two on the Flex FX option, and even worse if you try to use the waveforms or song select option on the screen instead of the effects. Jumping between the measurements of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, etc also takes much longer because you have to touch the screen and then use the knob.

I feel like outside of the effects, almost everything about this mixer is better than the S9 and 62....but because the effects are such an integral part of my style, I'm seriously considering getting a refund and getting the S9 instead. I'm gonna give it a few days, but I don't think I'm gonna grow to loving that part of it.


Hey interested whether you got used to the workflow and have stuck with the 72?
DJ Intrigue 10:17 PM - 11 December, 2018
I am sure he got used to the workflow and is absolutely loving his Rane 72, just like all of us here that have and love ours as well. Its the Haute Monde of the mixer community.
monkeyfunk 10:21 PM - 11 December, 2018
I love it too, but am disappointed in the echo. Still haven’t matched the 62 for that but everything else is indeed haut monde!
DJMIYAGI 12:07 AM - 12 December, 2018
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I love it too, but am disappointed in the echo. Still haven’t matched the 62 for that but everything else is indeed haut monde!

Are you using the 1.2 firmware? It sounds a lot better than it did before
dj_soo 12:33 AM - 12 December, 2018
1.3 firmware makes it easier to use the software effects since it’s now post fader, but I don’t think the software reverb sounds as good as the hardware reverb. Maybe I’ll try it in single effect mode since it’s more customizable.
DANGERUST 6:36 AM - 13 December, 2018
Coming from a S9 to 72 was hard at 1st. I must admit the S9 has got a great fast work flow but Rane's newest firmware up makes looping etc a lot easier and quicker.
dj_soo 9:26 AM - 13 December, 2018
I'm hoping for some more features added as we go. Every firmware update seems to refine and improve the mixer which is pretty awesome.

I'd love to be able to control the depth of the effects just using the touchscreen. The current setup with all 3 software effects and two effect times sharing a single knob is pretty shitty, but if I could just drag the depth across the screen, it would definitely improve usability.

I love the new looping control - always been more into using a knob like on the SP-1 than the halving and doubling buttons.
monkeyfunk 12:55 PM - 21 December, 2018
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Are you using the 1.2 firmware? It sounds a lot better than it did before


Yep, definitely - thanks!

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I love the new looping control - always been more into using a knob like on the SP-1 than the halving and doubling buttons.

Me too, but sometimes the knob enables and sometimes it doesn't - any idea why?
monkeyfunk 12:57 PM - 21 December, 2018
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Me too, but sometimes the knob enables and sometimes it doesn't - do I need to be in a certain mode?
Chino 1:04 PM - 21 December, 2018
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Make sure you are in the wave form screen in order to enable the looping.
DJ Intrigue 5:16 PM - 21 December, 2018
The Rane 72 just keeps getting better and better! Def the most badass mixer I have ever purchased.
Djkom 5:39 PM - 8 February, 2019
Vegas mode on the 72 shows that the 6 serato fx buttons can be orange or blue....so does it mean it is possible to have 8 internal hardwarel FX with a firmware update ???

I hate serato FX, 8 internal FX would be more usefull for me !!!
gfella 5:02 PM - 28 February, 2019
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8 internal FX would be more usefull for me !!!


Yeah, very strange that you can only select 1 hardware effect, but 3 Serato effects is no problem.
They better change that.

Question: When I select Hold Echo as my hardware effect and I power the mixer down, after rebooting, the Hold Echo is gone and Regular Echo is there.
When I disable the Regular Echo in the Flex fx menu and reboot, the Hold Echo is there.

I saw in the Flex fx menu that the Regular Echo is on position nr1 on the list.
Is that by default that Regular Echo is there and I have to change it to the effect I want?

Also, I have to reassign channel 1 and 2 effects to the sampler every reboot, is that by default?

Serato 2.1
firmware V 1.3.1.112
MBP High Sierra
R-Tistic 10:00 AM - 22 March, 2019
Crazy.

I had the 72 last Summer, and after using the S9 a few times at the club, I end up trading it in for that.

I used the 72 for the first time in months last weekend, and.....I just prefer the S9, even after the post fader effects and updates.
r3k0 10:51 AM - 22 March, 2019
For me its built quality 1st, the S9 is just a big hunk of plastic.
Chino 1:01 PM - 22 March, 2019
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Also, I have to reassign channel 1 and 2 effects to the sampler every reboot, is that by default?


Unfortunately, yes. It's designed like that. A 'save parameters' feature is definitely needed!!
gfella 2:40 PM - 22 March, 2019
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I used the 72 for the first time in months last weekend, and.....I just prefer the S9, even after the post fader effects and updates.


Each to their own, as long as you put out those mixes;)
Coming from a 62, I had a hard time choosing between the S9 and 72.
Went for the 72 because the s9 is almost 4 years old, has the volume knob in the middle and no push encoders for selecting tracks, in the long run this would irritate me.

To me the Rane reliable and accurate channel and master meters are very important, as is sound.
And the 72 is the best sounding mixer I have ever owned, also with real vinyl.
Never heard the s9 on my system so I can’t comment on that.

The 72 is not perfect as you know, it’s a hassle to change onboard effects ( whoever designed it that way should be fired) , headphone amp is weak, and the reverse buttons are even smaller then the ones on the 62, which irritates me.
But for sure I would buy this mixer again as I think with feature firmware updates this mixer gets better and better.

Use what you like to use and use it often.
Chino 2:20 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Use what you like to use and use it often.


+1!
dj_soo 6:07 PM - 27 March, 2019
Yea, the more I use the s9, the more I dislike it, and I’ve disliked playing on it since it came out in like 2015.

The only thing I like about that mixer is the crossfader. Everything else about it annoys the shit out of me.
gfella 8:55 PM - 27 March, 2019
dj_soo

Very good and detailed review you wrote on DJTT.
dj_soo 9:13 PM - 27 March, 2019
Given the success of the 72, and increased competition from the upcoming Elite - as well as awhatever S9 mk2 pioneer might have in the pipe, I wouldn’t surprised if we see a 71 or something without the screen and more basic effect controls coming out in the next year or two at maybe $500 cheaper or something.
YZ 3:33 PM - 28 March, 2019
I honestly don't see what more you can do than with a mixer after the 72 other than having a certified Serato all-in-1 unit. Some definite areas of improvement needed for the Rane needs to incorporate a better, less steps needed work-flow. Coupled with that, they need to bump up the resolution of that shit 15fps screen they decided to use to >30fps. And for christ sakes can they please fix already the Echo settings so it doesn't lose my settings every time I power cycle! Who engineered it to be like that anyways? Why?

Other than that I haven't had complaints since it came out. 2yrs into my 62, I had shit flying off the mixer, my finger was going through the plastic buttons, just a shit show as far as quality control was concerned. The 72, faders have been great, no broken carriers or buttons, still smooth. Probably my last mixer until an all-in-1 comes out.
DJ JulioYEG 6:10 PM - 4 April, 2019
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Elite

cant compete. no paddles to engage fx. no way I'm going back lol.
DJHexum 5:33 AM - 11 April, 2019
Love this mixer more than the S9 - my main beef with the S9 that was the pads could not be set to individual channels (for example having cues on one deck and loops on the other - it would set both to one). Here you have two defined channels . But two things I wish were kept from the 62:

- The loops on the side (62) vs. pads (72)
- I really only ever use Hold Echo and Flanger FlexFX. I think these sound way better on the 62 vs. 72 (poor in my opinion). I have gone into the secondary settings (Feedback, Depth, etc) to replicate the 62 sound but to no avail yet. And as other users posted: cannot save the effect settings and takes two long to change the parameters vs. the joystick on the 62.

I was trying to find a config file on my Mac which maybe had these settings so I could hardcode on the 72, but no luck at the moment.

Either way, definitely worth the buy with many better features and just takes some getting used to!
dj_soo 5:36 AM - 11 April, 2019
you grab the latest firmware update? They added a much improved looping control using knobs in that.
DJHexum 6:32 PM - 11 April, 2019
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you grab the latest firmware update? They added a much improved looping control using knobs in that.


I did see the notes in the release but have not had a chance to test just yet. Thank you sir for the heads up!
dj_soo 6:34 PM - 11 April, 2019
Basically, the effect knob becomes a looping control when you're in the waveform screen.
YZ 6:29 PM - 12 April, 2019
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Basically, the effect knob becomes a looping control when you're in the waveform screen.


Yes, those were updates that should've been out of the box but needless to say they were warranted. Internal fx saving is really pissing me off tho. When are they fixing that?
dj_soo 7:30 PM - 12 April, 2019
Internal software effects is a pure serato fix

The hardware effects seem to save for me
YZ 3:06 AM - 14 April, 2019
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Internal software effects is a pure serato fix

The hardware effects seem to save for me


So you're fine adjustments are saved and restored when you power it back on again? For example, Echo threshold/depth
dj_soo 7:31 AM - 14 April, 2019
make the changes in the flexfx settings and they will save after a power cycle.
DJ JulioYEG 9:11 PM - 14 April, 2019
hows the echo now? do u still gotta fuck around with the screen?
monogee 2:26 PM - 23 April, 2019
It's a damn shame that I had to open up a brand new Rane 72 and oil the rails of the faders because there was so much resistance when moving them back and forth. The faders on the Rane 72 should be light just like the faders on the Pioneer S9.
Chino 4:38 PM - 23 April, 2019
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It's a damn shame that I had to open up a brand new Rane 72 and oil the rails of the faders because there was so much resistance when moving them back and forth. The faders on the Rane 72 should be light just like the faders on the Pioneer S9.


I do understand your frustration. Ideally, you should not have to open up & oil the fader rails of a brand new $2000 mixer!! I had to do the same thing on the right side channel fader. At least the experience taught me how to do it. I never needed to open up my 62. All the faders on my Rane 62 were silky smooth from day one.

Unfortunately, Rane's quality control has suffered since inMusic Brand bought the company!!
: (
DJHexum 10:58 PM - 23 April, 2019
Rane Internal FX reset for me every time to Echo instead of what I set them at. This should be an easy firmware fix in the future and hopefully they put out a 62 FX Pack so they should better.
dj_soo 12:03 AM - 24 April, 2019
Go into the settings menu on themixer, hit the Flex FX option, choose the effect, and hit the little wrench icon - make your changes in there and it’ll save. At least it does for me.
YZ 6:47 PM - 25 April, 2019
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It's a damn shame that I had to open up a brand new Rane 72 and oil the rails of the faders because there was so much resistance when moving them back and forth. The faders on the Rane 72 should be light just like the faders on the Pioneer S9.


so return it and get the s9.
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:33 PM - 25 April, 2019
What's a dam shame is that Rane were too cheep to include a lil tube of lube
dj_soo 3:42 AM - 26 April, 2019
Or throw in an innofader.

Coming from the 57 and then the 62, periodic fader maintenance is something I’m used to for Rane faders - especially if you do outdoor gigs.

It shouldn’t be gummy brand new tho.
YZ 7:51 PM - 26 April, 2019
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What's a dam shame is that Rane were too cheep to include a lil tube of lube

Whooooo my man Spark bustin' off shots! I love it!
YZ 7:52 PM - 26 April, 2019
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Or throw in an innofader.

Coming from the 57 and then the 62, periodic fader maintenance is something I’m used to for Rane faders - especially if you do outdoor gigs.

It shouldn’t be gummy brand new tho.


FWIW, Right after bustin it out of the box I opened the face plate and oiled all my faders after i adjusted them to my liking. It was no more than a 10min process.
The Return of Dj Sparky 3:35 AM - 27 April, 2019
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What's a dam shame is that Rane were too cheep to include a lil tube of lube

Whooooo my man Spark bustin' off shots! I love it!


Nothing but truth, they could have bought in bulk and cost them 50 cents to a dollar at a push for a 50ml tube that would last a year or 3
The Return of Dj Sparky 3:36 AM - 27 April, 2019
But instead they will have warranty returns that will cost 10x times the cost in shipping
Chino 3:04 PM - 27 April, 2019
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Nothing but truth, they could have bought in bulk and cost them 50 cents to a dollar at a push for a 50ml tube that would last a year or 3


Common sense is not always common amongst multi-million dollar companies!

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But instead they will have warranty returns that will cost 10x times the cost in shipping


^THIS!
artworked 2:48 PM - 30 April, 2019
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Forgot to talk about the sound quality of the Rane 72. It definitely sounds just as good as my Rane 62.


If I was you, I'll go and consult an otolaryngologist, the Rane 72 (along with Pioneer S9) sounds like a terrible speaker inside a box.

I wonder how these 2 mixers are popular. A very old mixer from 90 with analogue pream sounds million years better for fraction of the price.
YZ 4:25 PM - 30 April, 2019
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If I was you, I'll go and consult an otolaryngologist, the Rane 72 (along with Pioneer S9) sounds like a terrible speaker inside a box.

I wonder how these 2 mixers are popular. A very old mixer from 90 with analogue pream sounds million years better for fraction of the price.


They're popular because everything you just said is unsupported cow shit. What mixer do you use cheap boy?
Mr. Goodkat 4:32 PM - 30 April, 2019
how you gonna get your feelings hurt over a strangers opinion of a dj mixer, oh you have to act mad as a inmusic troll, i get it
artworked 4:35 PM - 30 April, 2019
Allan & Heath 43C... go learn you pri*** instead of pressing play and nod... and learn to speak like human not a pi*
artworked 4:35 PM - 30 April, 2019
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how you gonna get your feelings hurt over a strangers opinion of a dj mixer, oh you have to act mad as a inmusic troll, i get it



Well said ;)
dj zaza 4:39 PM - 30 April, 2019
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Forgot to talk about the sound quality of the Rane 72. It definitely sounds just as good as my Rane 62.


If I was you, I'll go and consult an otolaryngologist, the Rane 72 (along with Pioneer S9) sounds like a terrible speaker inside a box.

I wonder how these 2 mixers are popular. A very old mixer from 90 with analogue pream sounds million years better for fraction of the price.

I agree, I have a Ns7 iii and the 72, the Numark sounds much better than the 72, even the headphone output for the Ns7 is really powerful. Someone has a good suggestion of how to set the parameters of the mixer internal echo, I liked that better than the S9. That of 72 is too weak.
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:41 PM - 30 April, 2019
I have to say the output sounds great on the 72 but I agree on the headphone it needs to pack more of a punch ,


And lol at yz triggered whe someone slates his beloved 72, fanboys can be a touchy bunch,

They have to defend their purchase at every given oppertunity it's so funny
dj zaza 5:47 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I have to say the output sounds great on the 72 but I agree on the headphone it needs to pack more of a punch ,


And lol at yz triggered whe someone slates his beloved 72, fanboys can be a touchy bunch,

They have to defend their purchase at every given oppertunity it's so funny

Attention I don't say that it sounds bad, but I don't feel it very full-bodied, compared to the Ns7 iii the sound is a bit flat. Let's see when they intend to release a new firmware. If you have any suggestions for how to set the echo to 72 that sounds decent I thank you.
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:52 PM - 30 April, 2019
I agree on the echo still not happy with my settings
dj zaza 5:54 PM - 30 April, 2019
I understand, it is also too low as a volume, even when you use the difference in sound for the detachments, the internal echo of Serato lets go even that is not the best.
YZ 9:12 PM - 30 April, 2019
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And lol at yz triggered whe someone slates his beloved 72, fanboys can be a touchy bunch,

They have to defend their purchase at every given oppertunity it's so funny


C'mon Spark... you know I do the triggering round these parts tough guy and fix your spelling for christ sakes. It's embarrassing.
DJ Tecniq 12:20 AM - 1 May, 2019
Serato echo out = trash.
DJ JulioYEG 1:46 AM - 1 May, 2019
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Serato echo out = trash.

s9 post fader really b clean
DJ Tecniq 4:42 AM - 1 May, 2019
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s9 post fader really b clean
no issues with mine that’s for sure. Pioneer fx always sound 💯
dj_soo 4:58 AM - 1 May, 2019
S9 has a fantastic fader. That's pretty much the only thing I like on that mixer tho.
DJ JulioYEG 7:37 AM - 1 May, 2019
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S9 has a fantastic fader. That's pretty much the only thing I like on that mixer tho.

workflow is unmatched half the time im distracted in the booth but just can bang the mix out quick. ive tried with the 72 but i always gotta play with the screen lol. stil never found a good setting for the echo
dj_soo 7:47 AM - 1 May, 2019
I can bang out just about anything on the 72 - the effects controls suck, but I've figured out how to use them. I barely ever touch the screen other than during the initial booth.

S9 feels like a neutered controller setup and just pisses me off every single time I use it. Hate the lack of independent pads, hate the looping setup, hate the gains on the side, hate the lack of split cue, fuck, I even hate the track navigation controls (why the fuck isn't the encoder button just the track load?).
R-Tistic 10:48 AM - 3 May, 2019
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S9 has a fantastic fader. That's pretty much the only thing I like on that mixer tho.

workflow is unmatched half the time im distracted in the booth but just can bang the mix out quick. ive tried with the 72 but i always gotta play with the screen lol. stil never found a good setting for the echo


Exactly
artworked 10:49 AM - 3 May, 2019
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S9 has a fantastic fader. That's pretty much the only thing I like on that mixer tho.

workflow is unmatched half the time im distracted in the booth but just can bang the mix out quick. ive tried with the 72 but i always gotta play with the screen lol. stil never found a good setting for the echo


Exactly


Couldn't agree more. I also like other things as well but the SOUND IS TERRIBLE and there is no fix for that, no firmware no settings, this is due to the preams PIONEER decided to install on their digital mixers (They all sound crap all and each of them)
DANGERUST 6:56 PM - 6 May, 2019
New update just released
Chino 8:37 PM - 6 May, 2019
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New update just released


Its nice that Rane provided an update. Unfortunately, when I go to download the Mac OS X version, what I am given is a .EXEC file that is for WINDOWS ONLY??!!
dj_soo 8:41 PM - 6 May, 2019
yea, looks like they fucked up an included the windows update in the osx download.

Release notes are pretty bare bones - they changed the effects depth curve and "general bug fixes."
DJMIYAGI 10:07 PM - 6 May, 2019
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New update just released


Its nice that Rane provided an update. Unfortunately, when I go to download the Mac OS X version, what I am given is a .EXEC file that is for WINDOWS ONLY??!!


Rane has fixed this. The Mac firmware now downloads.
dj zaza 4:53 PM - 7 May, 2019
I honestly installed the firmware, but actually what does it do? have increased the volume of the fx flex, it seemed to me that the echo is slightly higher.
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 7 May, 2019
I think that’s all they added in terms of features. Rest are bug fixes, but they don’t go into what they fixedZ
crockdabeat 3:07 PM - 26 June, 2019
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ya seriously, can you drive a car? utilize a steering wheel and modulate the gas and break pedals at the same time? Pshhhh, the ineptness of the community baffles me at times.

LOL! I think that every time I read these forums.

I own the 72 and S9. The 72 at the time of this review killed my S9 (and I also still have my 62, for 4chan when I do shows that need my drum machine(s) and/or synths) that I want to control though the DJ mixer. We have a band that I am just a part of with a FHS mixer running everything.

The updates have made it so far and away better. Rane means (DO OUR BEST to make it the best). I will never accept Pioneer as the best and inMusic has done a bang up job. I am waiting patiently for the new Pioneer S9 replacement and will probably get it but I have never owned as mixer as fun as the 72. It has changed my game personally.

Yes, there is more of a learning curve but that's because it can do a lot. It would be easiest for me to use my old Gemini mixer which just took two turntables and it was a bonus that there was a parametric .

Long live the 72, the king of all mixers (for me).
dj Krazey leo 9:22 PM - 26 June, 2019
Great review love my 72 but miss my s9 sold it for the 72 and definitely waiting for a s9 mk2 if not I’ll get a s9 used it has a special place in my heart done plenty of gigs with my s9 with no hiccups.
dj_soo 6:10 PM - 27 June, 2019
Pretty much exactly a year into owning the 72 and don’t regret the purchase at all.

Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.

Definitely been my workhorse for the last year. Have barely touched my controllers since I got it.

Definitely hoping for some more firmware updates soon tho. I’d love to see the software effect depth be touch screen controllable - would at least make software effects a little easier to control.
novakone 10:40 PM - 27 June, 2019
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Pretty much exactly a year into owning the 72 and don’t regret the purchase at all.

Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.

Definitely been my workhorse for the last year. Have barely touched my controllers since I got it.

Definitely hoping for some more firmware updates soon tho. I’d love to see the software effect depth be touch screen controllable - would at least make software effects a little easier to control.


Why did you replace the stock cable? And what with?
dj_soo 8:31 AM - 28 June, 2019
I was getting some disconnect issues at first and when I replaced it with a standard cable - nothing super high quality or anything - all the problems stopped
Bondage 7:46 PM - 28 June, 2019
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I was getting some disconnect issues at first and when I replaced it with a standard cable - nothing super high quality or anything - all the problems stopped


I use high class pro cable :( ... Still same problem
DJMIYAGI 8:14 PM - 28 June, 2019
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Pretty much exactly a year into owning the 72 and don’t regret the purchase at all.

Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.

Definitely been my workhorse for the last year. Have barely touched my controllers since I got it.

Definitely hoping for some more firmware updates soon tho. I’d love to see the software effect depth be touch screen controllable - would at least make software effects a little easier to control.

I've had mine for a year as well. Solid mixer. I've used it with no issues at all. Heard the included USB cables weren't great so from the start I used the ones that came with my SL4. The 72 gets better and better with every firmware update. I'm hoping we get one soon for day mode and EQ colored waveforms on the touch screen. Fingers crossed.
Matt Sherman 12:48 AM - 29 June, 2019
Y'all mean to tell me you have to lube the 72 crossfader/faders? Glad I got the S9.
Bondage 7:54 AM - 29 June, 2019
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Y'all mean to tell me you have to lube the 72 crossfader/faders? Glad I got the S9.


Yess I have lube mine with Deoxit Fader F 100. Out of the box the faders where BIG SHIT :p Don't know why, never had this with my 68,64, 62 ...

But when faders are lubed, they are fine ...
crockdabeat 9:05 PM - 29 June, 2019
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Y'all mean to tell me you have to lube the 72 crossfader/faders? Glad I got the S9.


Yess I have lube mine with Deoxit Fader F 100. Out of the box the faders where BIG SHIT :p Don't know why, never had this with my 68,64, 62 ...

But when faders are lubed, they are fine ...

Wait, why do you need to lube the fader? You know you can adjust the tension with the turning of a screw?
crockdabeat 9:10 PM - 29 June, 2019
OH, just saw you changed the fader. My last mixer that was for battle was a Stanton that was so loose you could literally blow on it and it would bounce back but I have FALLEN IN LOVE with the OTB tension of the Mag3. It's actually improved everything from juggling to transforming, and chirping is just sick. I've been though every mixer since I started DJing in 89 and this is the best fader I've owned, stock or not.

As for the S9 people, I have the S9 and probably about 4 other battle mixers you don't have, and for my money the 72 destroys them all. You don't have to agree but it is really annoying when every single time someone speaks about the 72, someone has to come justify their purchase of an S9.

The Pioneer is more than capable, be happy with it but don't jump on a Rane 72 thread and plead your case. It reeks of obvious wonder and "should I have". The S9 does a couple things better but the Rane is a better mixer for my money and again, have both.
dj_soo 11:22 PM - 29 June, 2019
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Y'all mean to tell me you have to lube the 72 crossfader/faders? Glad I got the S9.


Yess I have lube mine with Deoxit Fader F 100. Out of the box the faders where BIG SHIT :p Don't know why, never had this with my 68,64, 62 ...

But when faders are lubed, they are fine ...

Wait, why do you need to lube the fader? You know you can adjust the tension with the turning of a screw?


No, you need to lube the Rane faders every so often. Always been the case.

It’s because they use an open fader design as opposed to a closed you’d find on the s9 or innofader.

It’s a pain.
YZ 6:09 PM - 1 July, 2019
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Y'all mean to tell me you have to lube the 72 crossfader/faders? Glad I got the S9.


All faders, not just Rane, need cleaning every so often. Stop padding your purchase with bs.
crockdabeat 1:05 AM - 2 July, 2019
You don’t need to lube the mag faders. They are magnetic and you can make the tension loose so you can blow on it and it will move or you can make it super tight with a single screw. I’ve been using mixers since the 80s. These are magnetic, hence the name.
dj_soo 1:52 AM - 2 July, 2019
You still need to lube them since dust and dirt can gum up the rails. They are magnetic in that the sensors are magnetic - the rails still thread through a bracket and if shit gets into that bracket you’ll feel it.
Bondage 3:29 AM - 2 July, 2019
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You still need to lube them since dust and dirt can gum up the rails. They are magnetic in that the sensors are magnetic - the rails still thread through a bracket and if shit gets into that bracket you’ll feel it.


I don't care to to that, I just lube them !! I am happy I can maintain the faders very easily
skinnyguy 5:03 AM - 2 July, 2019
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... My last mixer that was for battle was a Stanton that was so loose you could literally blow on it and it would bounce back ....



was that with the Focus fader?
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:16 PM - 3 July, 2019
The factory lube job is shit and needs to be re done in a few weeks after use from the 72's I've used so far, once a decent lube is applied I haven't had any issues
DadoCheeks 4:39 AM - 4 July, 2019
Just picked up a full Rane setup 72 and a pair of 12's but I'm running into a slight problem. Everything works on the 12's except the Start / Stop. To clarify the motor starts/stops just fine but Serato does not detect that I've started or stopped the track. It's very strange because every other feature on the 12's work fine, Serato just does not detect the platters are spinning at all.

I'm sure it's something simple that I'm missing like the XML toggle within Serato but it's driving me nuts that I can't figure out why it's not working.

Thoughts?
dj_soo 5:30 AM - 4 July, 2019
Do you have the software set to INT mode and not Relative?
DadoCheeks 11:04 AM - 4 July, 2019
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Do you have the software set to INT mode and not Relative?


You the man! That was it, I knew it was something simple that I was missing.

Thanks Soo!
desmorider 8:41 PM - 4 July, 2019
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Just picked up a full Rane setup 72 and a pair of 12's but I'm running into a slight problem. Everything works on the 12's except the Start / Stop. To clarify the motor starts/stops just fine but Serato does not detect that I've started or stopped the track. It's very strange because every other feature on the 12's work fine, Serato just does not detect the platters are spinning at all.

I'm sure it's something simple that I'm missing like the XML toggle within Serato but it's driving me nuts that I can't figure out why it's not working.

Thoughts?


Did you get that new deal they have going? Buy a twelve and seventy two, and get a twelve free?
djplumcrzy 10:33 PM - 6 July, 2019
I took the magnetic screws off completely and the fades work the best. No tension at all.
Bondage 6:21 AM - 7 July, 2019
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I took the magnetic screws off completely and the fades work the best. No tension at all.


Will do same I think
desmorider 8:26 PM - 8 July, 2019
Anyone know how I can get the backspin effect to activate with the paddle on the rane seventy two?
YZ 8:44 PM - 8 July, 2019
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Anyone know how I can get the backspin effect to activate with the paddle on the rane seventy two?


Can't you just midi map the function? Better yet, just spin the vinyl back manually?
desmorider 9:06 PM - 8 July, 2019
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Anyone know how I can get the backspin effect to activate with the paddle on the rane seventy two?


Can't you just midi map the function? Better yet, just spin the vinyl back manually?


Haha. I will just have to manually do it. I don’t know how to midi map. Thanks.
dj_soo 11:23 PM - 8 July, 2019
no way to assign it to the paddle - it's only available via the pad fx
KC1 8:47 AM - 12 July, 2019
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Pretty much exactly a year into owning the 72 and don’t regret the purchase at all.

Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.

Definitely been my workhorse for the last year. Have barely touched my controllers since I got it.

Definitely hoping for some more firmware updates soon tho. I’d love to see the software effect depth be touch screen controllable - would at least make software effects a little easier to control.


Why did you replace the stock cable? And what with?


When an audio interface is USB powered the quality of the USB cable used becomes even more significant. A poor quality USB cable can adversely affect the stability of the power supply to the interface which can cause timing and latancy issues when using pro software

I replaced my stock one with the "Oyaide NEO d+ USB Class S" for superior sound quality and unrivalled stability - they have double shielding tin plated wire + aluminum tape with Platinum + Rhodium plated bronze ally terminals.
Rebelguy 10:37 PM - 12 July, 2019
Expensive USB cables make no difference with audio.

www.cnet.com
KC1 6:59 AM - 13 July, 2019
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Expensive USB cables make no difference with audio.

www.cnet.com


Perhaps audio-wise is an argument but latency and build quality certainly are not!
dj_soo 10:24 AM - 13 July, 2019
i don't think it should effect latency, but build is definitely an issue and cheap cables can cause issues with connection.
Matt Sherman 10:38 PM - 13 July, 2019
Now I know why they call it Rane. The open faders be raining with crud!
Dj Delta-Vita 12:00 PM - 30 August, 2019
I have a question...can i plug in my external SSD drive to the Rane 72 back usb ?

drive.google.com
Chino 12:14 PM - 30 August, 2019
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can i plug in my external SSD drive to the Rane 72 back usb ?


It's possible but I do NOT recommend it!! If you switch over from USB A to B or switch to Phono- your hardrive may automatically be ejected!!!

The USBs on the 72 are made to connect with the 12s. I've powered an external laptop fan & my cell phone off of the USBs too.
Dj Delta-Vita 12:16 PM - 30 August, 2019
Yes i know but i never switch over from USB A to B though
dj_soo 5:55 PM - 30 August, 2019
It depends on the hard drive as well. I found the hub on the 72 doesn’t put out enough power to properly power a bus powered drive.

I’ve powered USB thumb drives no problem, but hand problems with some drives - especially older mechanical drives.
monkeyfunk 2:02 AM - 14 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.



Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB
Bondage 7:53 AM - 14 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.
Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB



I use Neo Oyaide d+ RCA Class B cables (made in japan).

I bought 4 off them to be sure it's not the cable's.
dj_soo 7:08 PM - 14 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.
Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB


Honestly just use a generic cable from a local tech store. Just looked for something relatively thick and durable with a ferrite bit.
Rebelguy 7:35 PM - 14 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.
Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB


Honestly just use a generic cable from a local tech store. Just looked for something relatively thick and durable with a ferrite bit.


Exactly.
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:40 PM - 14 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.
Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB


Honestly just use a generic cable from a local tech store. Just looked for something relatively thick and durable with a ferrite bit.


Exactly.


I bought the djtechtools brand, the ferrite bit helped a bit with the ground hum I get at a venue.
dj_soo 10:03 PM - 14 September, 2019
Basically, don’t get a dollar store USB, but there’s no need to spend a ton of money on some gold plated snake oil cable.
monkeyfunk 1:32 AM - 15 September, 2019
`Good advice, thanks all. My Anker USBA to C connector seems to be the weak link in the chain here...Swiutched to a CableMatters hub, and everything fine
Bondage 8:11 AM - 15 September, 2019
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Still use it at every gig with 0 issues since replacing the stock cables with my own.
Which cables do you favour? I'm getting dropout, dropped connection with cheap Anger USBC adapters and Techtools USB



I use Neo Oyaide d+ RCA Class B cables (made in japan).

I bought 4 off them to be sure it's not the cable's.


O we talk about the 72 ... ok ok -> i use also Djtech tools Usb C to B. No problems.