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Serato DJ 2.0

bboysupafly 2:51 AM - 20 September, 2017
How come no one is talking about the upcoming version of Serato DJ 2.0?

I wonder how significant the change will be, especially with the release of the Rane Seventy-Two in less than a couple of months. Will the release have a video showing it off using it in the mixer? I remember the time when Rane was the company that designed the first mixer with a built in sound card that supported Scratch Live. Will we ever see that partnership rise once more even though other companies have tried doing the same? I'm excited for the release of the Seventy-Two and what Serato will do. Its just having the patience, considering Rane had a set back with the InMusic merge, that will (hopefully) pay off. Maybe the set back was a time for them to incorporate other technology in which would benefit for having the best battle mixer in the market. I can't wait for the future of these 2 companies and the hard work they put their minds and time to. You have a fan here since day 1 and will continue to ride the Serato wave.

If anyone in the Serato HQ is reading this.............INNOVATE!
You guys are the best and will always be when you create new things for us DJ's.

Almost forgot, ETA on Serato 2.0?
DjSyndic8 3:24 AM - 20 September, 2017
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How come no one is talking about the upcoming version of Serato DJ 2.0?

I wonder how significant the change will be, especially with the release of the Rane Seventy-Two in less than a couple of months. Will the release have a video showing it off using it in the mixer? I remember the time when Rane was the company that designed the first mixer with a built in sound card that supported Scratch Live. Will we ever see that partnership rise once more even though other companies have tried doing the same? I'm excited for the release of the Seventy-Two and what Serato will do. Its just having the patience, considering Rane had a set back with the InMusic merge, that will (hopefully) pay off. Maybe the set back was a time for them to incorporate other technology in which would benefit for having the best battle mixer in the market. I can't wait for the future of these 2 companies and the hard work they put their minds and time to. You have a fan here since day 1 and will continue to ride the Serato wave.

If anyone in the Serato HQ is reading this.............INNOVATE!
You guys are the best and will always be when you create new things for us DJ's.

Almost forgot, ETA on Serato 2.0?


serato dj 2.0 wont be released just yet..... version 1.99 will be released first
Wavespeech 7:15 AM - 20 September, 2017
And as seems to be a trend with other software, followed by 1.100.0....
popnwave 3:19 PM - 20 September, 2017
#facepalm
DJ Tecniq 9:21 PM - 20 September, 2017
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How come no one is talking about the upcoming version of Serato DJ 2.0?
Compared to the last two releases of new hardware products and no bug fixes...we're not expecting much :(
Rebelguy 3:59 AM - 21 September, 2017
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And as seems to be a trend with other software, followed by 1.100.0....


Why do people keep saying this? Serato has never done this in the past and they will not do it in the future.
Djkom 12:13 PM - 21 September, 2017
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And as seems to be a trend with other software, followed by 1.100.0....


Why do people keep saying this? Serato has never done this in the past and they will not do it in the future.


Rectification: Serato hasn't done it for SSL but it's not like they have made so many different other software versions so we can have a clear idea of their version scheme....

Serato hasn't made two consecutive versions with no bug fix neither new features but they have just made it ...so ?

Anyway, it's just numbering and I don't give a f*** about this marketing aspect.

The interesting points are the future and the current state of the market:
- Serato has launched a new dedicated Sample app
- Serato will support Rane 12 and 72 in Q4
- Mixars has announced months ago new controllers Mixars Uno and Quattro...but still nothing
- Denon has announced (quickly) sc5000 and X1800 will be supported ... but still nothing
- Denon has (quickly) said there will be a performance mode in Engine software
- Pioneer has released a ground up new Rekordbox v5.0 with tons new features and improvements
- N.I has made new (major or interesting) Traktor release for YEARS !!!

I don't know for you guys, but for me I can't see anything good for SDJ future except new controller supports so more issues...I can't see any killer new feature that will left the competitors far behind ...

The future is more moving slowly the Mixing software into a all in one mixing-production software, Pioneer has clearly anticipated this point and Roland too but only with hardware feature ... N.I has left the DJ game or is preparing a pure break-thought DJ/producer software

Your thoughts guys ?
Rebelguy 5:02 PM - 21 September, 2017
Out of curiosity what killer features do you think Serato DJ needs?

I’m very curious as the percentage of DJs that even use all the current features that Serato DJ offers. It seems like there are a group of people that lobby for new features and then another group that complain that all the new features are making the software bloated. Heck there’s still a devoted group asking for SSL updates and that is a pretty basic software in this current state of DJing. I’ve heard rumors as to what is in the works and it will not excite the people clamoring for new features but it is a needed progression of the program.
Mr. Goodkat 5:45 PM - 21 September, 2017
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Out of curiosity what killer features do you think Serato DJ needs?

I’m very curious as the percentage of DJs that even use all the current features that Serato DJ offers. It seems like there are a group of people that lobby for new features and then another group that complain that all the new features are making the software bloated. Heck there’s still a devoted group asking for SSL updates and that is a pretty basic software in this current state of DJing. I’ve heard rumors as to what is in the works and it will not excite the people clamoring for new features but it is a needed progression of the program.


id say it just needs some of the features, autogain or jerky waveforms, comes to mind, to work a little better imo

im sure everyone has a couple things that could just work 20-40% better.

sdj is really stable for me though
Caley Martin 5:49 PM - 21 September, 2017
The only thing I care about is bringing back SSL style 33/45 rpm toggles on each deck, independent of the current SDJ "master" toggle in settings.

Have that in 1.9.9/2.0 and I am all set, hahaha.
Djkom 6:39 PM - 21 September, 2017
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Out of curiosity what killer features do you think Serato DJ needs?

I’m very curious as the percentage of DJs that even use all the current features that Serato DJ offers. It seems like there are a group of people that lobby for new features and then another group that complain that all the new features are making the software bloated. Heck there’s still a devoted group asking for SSL updates and that is a pretty basic software in this current state of DJing. I’ve heard rumors as to what is in the works and it will not excite the people clamoring for new features but it is a needed progression of the program.


I'm not the one who's asking constantly new features, there's plenty stuff to fix or improve the current SDJ version ... but when I see that Pioneer brings on the table in a quite short time-frame I'm wondering what Serato was doing during all these last years so I'm worried about what they can do in the future...
DJ Tecniq 6:49 PM - 21 September, 2017
They should just fix echo out and stop dicking around it's been broken for how many years now😳
John Calipari 8:02 PM - 21 September, 2017
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Serato has launched a new dedicated Sample app


I thought the new Sampler VST already started getting baked into 1.98
Despo 10:34 PM - 21 September, 2017
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They should just fix echo out and stop dicking around it's been broken for how many years now😳


this
DJ Marv the Maverick 12:22 AM - 29 September, 2017
Brace yourself for another update to support the Denon Prime

denondjforum.com
kvnkrz 1:32 AM - 29 September, 2017
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Brace yourself for another update to support the Denon Prime

denondjforum.com


YEEEASS.
porps 3:34 PM - 2 October, 2017
Hopefully Serato DJ 2.0 lets us save our smart crates with the rest of our library (on external drives for example), rather than just on the system drive.
I certainly hope they would finally add a day mode too, cant believe it still doesnt exist after so many requests.
skinnyguy 6:36 PM - 2 October, 2017
colored crates....please...
popnwave 8:12 PM - 2 October, 2017
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colored crates....please...


RACIST!

Good idea though..
Sixtroke 12:26 AM - 25 October, 2017
I'm REALLY itching for OST MIDI Mapping support... I'm not sure why they've been so slow with this.

The worst part is they won't give a reason as to why they haven't done it yet. So I'm holding on to hope that all OST's can be remapped within Serato.
Mike Czech 3:08 AM - 25 October, 2017
Well, it's been 285 days since the last public beta was released, and 244 days since the public release of that beta. It's likely been a year consumed by Sample for Serato's developers. I'm not holding much hope for a meaningful Serato DJ 2.0 release. Please prove me wrong guys...
Mr. Goodkat 5:23 PM - 25 October, 2017
2.0 will support a few new controllers and mixers. the end.
kvnkrz 5:48 PM - 25 October, 2017
Ya when that comes out.

But the last survey included questions like do you use Spotify etc etc .. might have an integration..? And maybe they'll listen to our requests..

NI got 50mil in investment traktor is up to something too
EAZYATM 2:47 AM - 26 October, 2017
Off-line player midi control I’m sooo tired of beating on my laptop keyboard numbers...
Joey Fresh 3:30 AM - 26 October, 2017
I'm very excited to see what Serato comes up with in version 2.0.

The added pressure from Pioneer (Rekordbox 5) and Denon (Prime Engine) might push Serato to really knock this one out of the park.

Just a few things I'd be happy to see...

- Advanced library management (tags for mood, style, set times, ratings, etc. similar to Rekordbox and Beatport Pro)

- Expanded MIDI mapping capability (match cue point color to output lighting, set knobs to increase/decrease buttons, etc. so I can map a DDJ-XP1)

- Improved input/output routing in Setup (I didn't hate the channel dropdown in SSL)

- Improved quality of echo out effect (been waiting patiently for this one for a long time)

- Fix INT slider when instant doubling a track (sometimes the slider's position doesn't match the pitch adjustment after instant doubling)

- Merge history sessions to one database (it'd be nice to just move all history session files to the History Sessions folder and get them all back in the History panel)

- Fix the Wi-Fi toggle audio dropout bug (I'm terrified to turn on/off Wi-Fi while Serato is running, would love to be able to leave it on and not worry about audio dropouts / mega latency)

- Improved performance / memory optimization (I'm using a 2016 MBP with 16 GB of RAM and superfast flash storage, there's no reason for audio dropout warnings or display jitters while scrolling on a machine like this)

- Optimized GUI for high-resolution displays (my laptop has a 2880x1800 resolution display and there is a lot of empty space in the GUI, there must be a more efficient way of displaying everything with that much screen real estate)

- Day mode (I don't need it, I just know there are a lot of people who miss it from ITCH)

Looking forward to seeing what Serato has in store for us in 2.0!
mixgoonie 6:07 AM - 26 October, 2017
If there is no beta, it means that they won't be new features....
DjSyndic8 6:09 AM - 26 October, 2017
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If there is no beta, it means that they won't be new features....


save yourself the stress this is all hear say and speculations who knows what 2.0 will bring let it be a Christmas surprise
dj zaza 7:48 AM - 26 October, 2017
I finally purchased the Dvd license on Rekordbox, not because my Surface Laptop is not good, but just because pioneer is pulling out great news with RB software and stable UI perfectly adapted to high resolution screens, Form d If you scroll in the library the UI does not lag, weigh that with the same settings on both programs, the same latency 4ms, with RB never turned on the fans, with Serato running at a minimum, I think this It's much to do with UI graphics. I am Serato user since SL1, I have tried other software, but in the end I find myself getting better with Serato, so I hope the development staff is a little more pliable to satisfy the demands.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:59 PM - 26 October, 2017
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Out of curiosity what killer features do you think Serato DJ needs?

I’m very curious as the percentage of DJs that even use all the current features that Serato DJ offers. It seems like there are a group of people that lobby for new features and then another group that complain that all the new features are making the software bloated. Heck there’s still a devoted group asking for SSL updates and that is a pretty basic software in this current state of DJing. I’ve heard rumors as to what is in the works and it will not excite the people clamoring for new features but it is a needed progression of the program.


It doesn't matter what do or don't add. There will be people whining on both sides about they did or didn't get.
dj zaza 4:06 AM - 27 October, 2017
I do not care much about how many functions or controllers they can add, I'm a mixing dj, no scretch, I do not care about pitch time or sampler, only stability matters to me. I want to have an evening without worrying that something goes wrong.
John Calipari 3:16 PM - 27 October, 2017
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I'm very excited to see what Serato comes up with in version 2.0.

The added pressure from Pioneer (Rekordbox 5) and Denon (Prime Engine) might push Serato to really knock this one out of the park.

Just a few things I'd be happy to see...

- Improved performance / memory optimization

- Optimized GUI for high-resolution displays!


The Elephant missing from your room is migrating to a native 64-Bit Application which would assist in at least 2 of your wants, and likely a few of the rest.
Andrei Matei 9:52 PM - 30 October, 2017
Yeah, SDJ doesn't need any new features. It needs:

- SQ that matches or exceeds SSL
- Fixes for distortion on echoes and other effects (no, its not a "Tape Delay", its distorted)
- Fixes for stuttering waveforms in post-1.7.8 versions
- Fixes for erratic auto-gain
- Re-work auto-gain / master gain to match SSL, to not have us re-set 1000s of files we've "locked" manually
- Option to decouple beat grid from BPM similar to SSL & Bridge

Really, if they just do the first three, I'll finally switch.
EAZYATM 7:23 PM - 31 October, 2017
I'm sorry to bus you guys bubble but 2.o is not coming until early December or maybe even early January they have to kinda wait for race it all makes sense because the 72 is full of new innovative features with in the screen display on the mixer it self...

P.S. To Serato (Please add off line player midi control please please PLEASE)
I'm tired of beating up my number on my keypad!!
Dj cuervo 7:25 PM - 31 October, 2017
Winter NAMM !!!!!!
Joey Fresh 12:41 AM - 2 November, 2017
NAMM 2018 (January 25-28) would seem like a likely opportunity to see SDJ 2.0 in action. Personally I'm hoping for an announcement or press release before NAMM, it would be a nice Christmas present.

Another feature I'd appreciate seeing in SDJ 2.0 is the installation of all hardware drivers when installing SDJ. This would remove the need to install drivers when plugging in an audio interface for the first time, which often happens to DJs at a club.

FYI I'm well aware of the ability to install drivers beforehand via 'Show Package Contents' and going to Contents > Resources > Packages, but many other DJs are not.

The last thing DJs want to have to do when setting up in a club is having to install drivers.

Maybe even a screen in Serato DJ's Setup window for seeing the status of drivers, and having the option to install or update drivers there, before going to a gig.
John Calipari 3:54 PM - 2 November, 2017
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Another feature I'd appreciate seeing in SDJ 2.0 is the installation of all hardware drivers..


Do you mean installing drivers for every SDJ compatible hardware available . . every-time on boot-up?
popnwave 3:57 PM - 2 November, 2017
No, I think pre loading is the idea.
Joey Fresh 4:03 PM - 2 November, 2017
Correct popnwave, driver installation would occur just during the initial installation of Serato DJ (drivers only need to be installed once).

Something like this could work too, if installing every driver is not practical for some reason -

1. Install Serato DJ
2. Launch Serato DJ for the first time (hardware doesn't need to be connected)
3. A window opens that asks what hardware you intend to use for DJing
4. You select which hardware you want to install drivers for (either one or multiple devices)
5. SDJ installs the drivers

Now when you go to a club and plug in an audio interface you haven't used before, the driver for it is already installed and you can just start DJing. No more panel on the right side of SDJ that says you need to install a driver.

I still think it would be convenient to have a section in Setup for installing or checking the status of installed drivers, better than diving through the application's package contents.
John Calipari 4:29 PM - 2 November, 2017
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1. Install Serato DJ
2. Launch Serato DJ for the first time (hardware doesn't need to be connected)
3. A window opens that asks what hardware you intend to use for DJing
4. You select which hardware you want to install drivers for (either one or multiple devices)
5. SDJ installs the drivers


Agreed, this sounds like a great idea.
Despo 3:03 AM - 3 November, 2017
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1. Install Serato DJ
2. Launch Serato DJ for the first time (hardware doesn't need to be connected)
3. A window opens that asks what hardware you intend to use for DJing
4. You select which hardware you want to install drivers for (either one or multiple devices)
5. SDJ installs the drivers


Agreed, this sounds like a great idea.


Traktor does it this way
DJ Emir 3:32 AM - 3 November, 2017
Version 2.0... and version 1.99999999999999 :) Ha....

I have a Kung fu movie called Death of White lotus also known as fist of the white lotus in the movie Pai Mai (same guy as kill bill which by the way is played by the main character in this movie Gordon liu who in this movie ironically kills pai mei LOL) anyway...

In the movie Pai mai says "I'm tired of playing with you but I don't want you to kill you here and ruin my temple in my home, I'll give you my Hundred Step Death so you can go die somewhere else", then he hits him and says "now go die somewhere else" LOL

Gordon Liu gets picked up by a friend and taken to an accupuncturist that saves his life and teaches him pressure points. He comes back and Pai Mai is surprised to see him alive, he says "No one has yet survived my Hundred step death technique" to which Gordon Liu replies

"Oh so you admit my Kung Fu is Good, That's because out of a Hundred steps... I only walked... Ninety... NINE!!!!" LOL that's what I thought of when he said version 1.999...... LOL
DJ Emir 3:36 AM - 3 November, 2017
PS: Better sound quality and stability should be first and foremost. I noticed a huge decline in sound quality after serato scratch live version 1.81 or something like that a while back. It used to bug the shit out of me. I think they eventually improved it a bit, but that made me question SL at the time.
DJ Nick Scott 5:07 PM - 3 November, 2017
I hope 2.0 has High Sierra support for us Mac users.
Stu J 7:11 AM - 4 November, 2017
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Out of curiosity what killer features do you think Serato DJ needs?

I’m very curious as the percentage of DJs that even use all the current features that Serato DJ offers. It seems like there are a group of people that lobby for new features and then another group that complain that all the new features are making the software bloated. Heck there’s still a devoted group asking for SSL updates and that is a pretty basic software in this current state of DJing. I’ve heard rumors as to what is in the works and it will not excite the people clamoring for new features but it is a needed progression of the program.


id say it just needs some of the features, autogain or jerky waveforms, comes to mind, to work a little better imo

im sure everyone has a couple things that could just work 20-40% better.

sdj is really stable for me though


Good posts. I'm certainly not after any killer new features, just some improvements on things like autogain as has been said.

The biggest issues IMO are the controllers, I still use a Vestax VCI-400 and that's still better thought out and half the size (and price) for almost all the same functions as some of the massive more recent Pioneer controllers. In general I find the huge size of many controllers very disappointing.

I'd love to see significant development of the companion app so I could A: update the software on my iPad mini and still use it and B: be able to customise the layouts to my own preferences. It would be great to have some x-y pad effect options on the app too so I can do some things in the style I can using DJay.
Blank_Disk 12:06 PM - 4 November, 2017
hope we got the option of push loop to sampler from the sampler button & some serious file management improvements, few other views would be nice, but overall the software works well other than a few things that don't work the way they should.
The idea of using a dj controller is to eliminate the mouse, so the more controls the controller actually has the better.
dj_soo 12:03 AM - 5 November, 2017
I'd like to see some better midi mapping. Would really like a way to map beat jump cycling exactly the same way that it works on official controllers.
Djkom 9:51 PM - 5 November, 2017
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I'd like to see some better midi mapping. Would really like a way to map beat jump cycling exactly the same way that it works on official controllers.


BTW, does someone know how to midi map a touch strip control ? I've bought the ddj xp1 but I don't know how to midi map the touch strips to either the needle drop control or a fx control
Andrei Matei 7:59 PM - 6 November, 2017
Well, they are doing it to us! 1.9.10 was just released. Ha. The agony! Plenty more releases they can fit in with this new numbering scheme before 2.0 drops.
John Calipari 8:23 PM - 6 November, 2017
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Plenty more releases they can fit in with this new numbering scheme before 2.0 drops.


Yes, but at least macOS High Sierra is acknowledged as compatible.
Caley Martin 8:24 PM - 6 November, 2017
I cringed when that 1.9.10 email came through... I thought someone over at DJWorx "unofficially" assuaged our fears that Serato said they'd never follow suit in that silly versioning format...
kjterry33 8:28 PM - 6 November, 2017
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colored crates....please...


I would love to be able to customize SDJ. Maybe Lighten the background or having the actual label of the track on the onscreen platters or maybe i dont want the waveforms onscreen.....just make it the dj's choice how his screen looks.
Wavespeech 8:31 PM - 6 November, 2017
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And as seems to be a trend with other software, followed by 1.100.0....


Why do people keep saying this? Serato has never done this in the past and they will not do it in the future.


They'll do 1.9.10 instead.
Wavespeech 8:32 PM - 6 November, 2017
#facepalm
popnwave 10:58 PM - 6 November, 2017
I don't think this is a long term thing. I think the Denon stuff had been in the pipeline long enough that they HAD to get this one out.

Be happy! Had 2.0 come out with just this, you guys would be crying about that it was 64bit with buttery smooth waveforms!
djcrap 12:39 AM - 7 November, 2017
9 more releases to go before 2.0

😂😂😂😂😂🎶🎶🎶😎
dj zaza 6:08 AM - 7 November, 2017
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9 more releases to go before 2.0

😂😂😂😂😂🎶🎶🎶😎


but now we have to resign, when Apple will no longer support 32-bit software, they will do as with Remote Serato, will bring the 64-bit software, and leave everything as it is, a low-resolution interface, echo out with distortion, they have developed new unnecessary software such as sound switches, and samplers, instead of focusing on the main software. By now, Serato thinks only to add controllers and put videos on You tube, only to show that still many DJs use their software.
SJ2KGRAFX 3:08 PM - 7 November, 2017
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Yeah, SDJ doesn't need any new features. It needs:

- SQ that matches or exceeds SSL
- Fixes for distortion on echoes and other effects (no, its not a "Tape Delay", its distorted)
- Fixes for stuttering waveforms in post-1.7.8 versions
- Fixes for erratic auto-gain
- Re-work auto-gain / master gain to match SSL, to not have us re-set 1000s of files we've "locked" manually
- Option to decouple beat grid from BPM similar to SSL & Bridge

Really, if they just do the first three, I'll finally switch.
popnwave 3:45 PM - 7 November, 2017
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but now we have to resign, when Apple will no longer support 32-bit software, they will do as with Remote Serato, will bring the 64-bit software, and leave everything as it is, a low-resolution interface, echo out with distortion, they have developed new unnecessary software such as sound switches, and samplers, instead of focusing on the main software. By now, Serato thinks only to add controllers and put videos on You tube, only to show that still many DJs use their software.



And then we have folks posting disinformation like this. You have no understanding as to how standalone apps (NOT IN THE APP STORE) are able to work in High Sierra considering 1.9.10 functions quite well still as 32bit.

I swear DJs are full of opinions with little knowledge when it comes to development.
dj zaza 5:14 PM - 7 November, 2017
Hey popnwave, look, I'm not as disinformed as you say, I know Serato still works 32-bit well, in fact my speech was that when Apple stopped using the 32bit programs, it would make a software conversion as it did with Remote Sersto without optimizing high resolution software and add the thousands of requests from us djs. So do not tell me I'm disinformed, sometimes it seems you know more and more defile others.
popnwave 5:53 PM - 7 November, 2017
Constructive criticism is an awesome tool, complaining about hypothetical situations down the road is silly.

You are complaining about their other dev projects, just stop already. If you don't like the direction they are going in just sell your stuff and switch over to NI.
dj zaza 6:32 PM - 7 November, 2017
I did not say I do not like the dictation they are taking, I will never go to a tractor, and I accept criticism, but I do not think I'm the only one to think so, but they have to wake up and listen to the djs they use software.
John Calipari 6:43 PM - 7 November, 2017
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complaining about hypothetical situations down the road is silly.


Part of what ZAZA is saying is not hypothetical, but I have faith that Serato has already been preparing and will be fully ready when the 64-bit time comes. It would be a foolish short-sighted software company that would not.
popnwave 7:02 PM - 7 November, 2017
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Part of what ZAZA is saying is not hypothetical, but I have faith that Serato has already been preparing and will be fully ready when the 64-bit time comes. It would be a foolish short-sighted software company that would not.


That's a given, I was talking about this:

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they have developed new unnecessary software such as sound switches, and samplers, instead of focusing on the main software.


And then this:

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I did not say I do not like the dictation they are taking


People are all over the place. This thread has gotten so far into the weeds it's time to stop tracking anyway. Unchecked complaints, folks talking in circles. Some issues probably due to language barriers, but whatever it takes the enjoyment out of things when threads are mostly just bitching.
John Calipari 7:21 PM - 7 November, 2017
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This thread has gotten so far into the weeds


Yeah, agreed. SDJ Updates & Revisions are the most polarizing topic on the Serato Board. Always has been since the SL & ITCH days..
Andrei Matei 8:24 PM - 7 November, 2017
Conversations amongst people sometimes do that. :)

I personally believe in positivity and helping others whenever possible here - that's the point of the forums! But, I find myself doing more bitching than I'd like to ever since the initial SDJ release. I notice the same with others because there ARE real issues, that affect a LOT of people, and Serato isn't giving us acknowledgement of these issues or a roadmap of what they are planning. Roadmaps can be guidance, they don't have to be the gospel. Even an acknowledgement of the top 5 or 10 things they are focused on in the next couple quarters (leaving out NDA-related items of course) would be helpful to know...so we know if we are being heard or not and can make future decisions about our gear purchases.

I work in Product Management and I routinely have roadmap review sessions with customers and give guidance (often high-level and thematic) on what is to come over the next 6 months.

I think the problem is the Serato DJ project has taken a step backwards every time it takes two steps forward.

- SSL to SDJ introduction, sound quality went down, autogain problems went up, etc.
- SSL effects like echo out weren't in SDJ initially. When added, they were distorted and worse
- SDJ 1.7.8 -> 1.8 DJM-S9 support added, UI responsiveness / waveforms went to shit with no explanation

Just some of many examples. I know everyone is tired of hearing them. I am too.

So, to stay on topic, for SDJ 2.0, I want it to be the killer release that solves most of the worries everyone has. I want it to be a release that makes people who've been contemplating a move to Rekordbox DJ stop doing so.

Finally, with every bit of bitching we do, there should be an equal offer to help. So mine is this: Serato Team: I've worked in tech/software environments for over a decade. I've done QA/QE. I'm incredibly detail-oriented (read: anal-retentive). If there is anything I can do to help you guys, you can count on me to test every single combination of everything possible. Lean on me. I love Serato, I love the ecosystem, I love the community, and I love the workflow. I just am tired of feeling like the software we've had for the last 4 years still seems like a beta.
dj zaza 8:47 PM - 7 November, 2017
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<font><font lang="it"> Conversazioni tra le persone a volte farlo. </font><font>:)</font></font>[b]
[b]<font><font lang="it"> Io personalmente credo nella positività e aiutare gli altri, quando possibile, qui-questo è il punto del forum! </font><font lang="it">Ma, mi trovo a fare più bitching di quanto mi piacerebbe fin dalla prima release SDJ. </font><font lang="it">Ho notato lo stesso con gli altri, perché ci sono problemi reali, che riguardano un sacco di gente, e Serato non ci sta dando il riconoscimento di questi problemi o una tabella di marcia di ciò che stanno progettando. </font><font lang="it">Le roadmap possono essere guida, non devono essere il Vangelo. </font><font lang="it">Anche un riconoscimento della Top 5 o 10 cose che sono concentrati su nei prossimi due trimestri (lasciando fuori NDA articoli correlati, naturalmente) sarebbe utile per know...so sappiamo se siamo stati ascoltati o meno e può prendere decisioni future sui nostri acquisti marcia.</font></font>[b]
[b]<font lang="it"> Io lavoro nella gestione del prodotto e ho regolarmente sessioni di revisione tabella di marcia con i clienti e dare indicazioni (spesso ad alto livello e tematiche) su ciò che è a venire nel corso dei prossimi 6 mesi.</font>[b]
[b]<font lang="it"> Penso che il problema è il Serato DJ progetto ha fatto un passo indietro ogni volta che ci vogliono due passi in avanti.</font>[b]
[b]<font lang="it"> -SSL per SDJ introduzione, la qualità del suono è andato giù, problemi di autoguadagno è andato in su, ecc</font>[b]<font><font lang="it"> -Gli effetti SSL come Echo out non erano in SDJ inizialmente. </font><font lang="it">Una volta aggiunto, sono stati distorti e peggio</font></font>[b]<font lang="it"> -SDJ 1.7.8-> 1,8 DJM-S9 supporto aggiunto, la reattività dell'interfaccia utente/forme d'onda è andato a merda senza alcuna spiegazione</font>[b]
[b]<font><font lang="it"> Solo alcuni di molti esempi. </font><font lang="it">So che tutti sono stanchi di sentirli. </font><font lang="it">Lo sono anch ' io.</font></font>[b]
[b]<font><font lang="it"> Quindi, per rimanere sul tema, per SDJ 2,0, voglio che sia il rilascio killer che risolve la maggior parte delle preoccupazioni tutti hanno. </font><font lang="it">Voglio che sia un comunicato che rende le persone che sono state contemplando una mossa di rekordbox DJ smettere di farlo.</font></font>[b]
[b]<font><font lang="it"> Infine, con ogni po' di bitching che facciamo, ci dovrebbe essere una pari offerta per aiutare. </font><font lang="it">Quindi il mio è questo: Serato team: ho lavorato in ambienti tech/software per oltre un decennio. </font><font lang="it">Ho fatto QA/QE. </font><font lang="it">Sono incredibilmente particolare-oriented (leggi: anale-ritentiva). </font><font lang="it">Se c'è qualcosa che posso fare per aiutare voi ragazzi, si può contare su di me per testare ogni singola combinazione di tutto il possibile. </font><font lang="it">Appoggiati a me. </font><font lang="it">Amo Serato, amo l'ecosistema, amo la Comunità, e mi piace il flusso di lavoro. </font><font lang="it">Ho appena sono stanco di sentirsi come il software che abbiamo avuto per gli ultimi 4 anni sembra ancora come una beta. </font></font>

Perfect, that was what I meant, solve problems and listen, I do not know here on this forum to complain, I do not need Serato sound switch, Serato Sampler, I'm the classic dj mix, little scratch, and I want concentration maximum on what is the leading software for djs. If we use digital for our evenings we must be sure everything works.
v@l 1:28 PM - 8 November, 2017
I Hope they can make the delay post button like the echo, delay sounds much better & its post fader like the echo effect its just missing the ability to keep effecting the last phrase once switched off like the echo effect..
DJ Yaitanis 12:17 PM - 13 November, 2017
I would like to chime in here. First, give the guys and girls in New Zeland a break they have had a lot thrown at them. And many thanks for the support of High Sierra (almost).

I am a bit disappointed that the recent release 1.9.1 with Support for The Denon Prime Series did not have one key feature - the ability to qwerty search from the SC5000 decks everything else is perfect!
DJ Marv the Maverick 12:31 PM - 14 November, 2017
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I would like to chime in here. First, give the guys and girls in New Zeland a break they have had a lot thrown at them. And many thanks for the support of High Sierra (almost).

I am a bit disappointed that the recent release 1.9.1 with Support for The Denon Prime Series did not have one key feature - the ability to qwerty search from the SC5000 decks everything else is perfect!


I thought they implemented the SC5000 with the least amount of features.

It basically dumb down the SC5000.

All that screen, no scrolling waveform, no qwerty search.
DJ Yaitanis 12:36 PM - 14 November, 2017
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I would like to chime in here. First, give the guys and girls in New Zeland a break they have had a lot thrown at them. And many thanks for the support of High Sierra (almost).

I am a bit disappointed that the recent release 1.9.1 with Support for The Denon Prime Series did not have one key feature - the ability to qwerty search from the SC5000 decks everything else is perfect!


I thought they implemented the SC5000 with the least amount of features.

It basically dumb down the SC5000.

Yes you are correct, Very Disappointed with what they did with Serato DJ.

All that screen, no scrolling waveform, no qwerty search.
DJ Yaitanis 12:46 PM - 14 November, 2017
Yes basically a dumbed downed screen completely bypassing the power of the MultiCore backbone engine of the SC5000.

I don't really know what the big deal is with giving us qwerty library search? This is a must for every Mobile DJ and I would venture to say 90% of Serato DJ's User base.

Im back to SSD USB and an Un-Analysed database...
MADLOGIC the Selectah 1:53 AM - 16 November, 2017
I’m hoping for something new.
DJ Yaitanis 4:38 AM - 16 November, 2017
Me too
Blank_Disk 10:17 AM - 16 November, 2017
pointless asking for features they just don't seem to be interested, well the lack of feedback from serato speaks volumes, I have seen posts on here for over 4 years asking for the same features and they still not materialised so I would suggest don't hold your breath.
DJ Yaitanis 12:20 PM - 16 November, 2017
Push to try to get into the 2.0 Beta When it becomes available
Deejay-Basics.de 12:53 PM - 16 November, 2017
A private beta is out to a selected group of DJs for version 2. Beside a big and interesting change log there will also be a small change in the product name. Don't know the release date or if a public beta will follow.

So this will only let you know, it's coming and the Serato team is working.
mixgoonie 1:07 PM - 16 November, 2017
Can we participate to the private Beta ? and if yes how ?

If not, i will wait for the public Beta
spike12 4:59 PM - 16 November, 2017
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A private beta is out to a selected group of DJs for version 2. Beside a big and interesting change log there will also be a small change in the product name. Don't know the release date or if a public beta will follow.

So this will only let you know, it's coming and the Serato team is working.



My guess is they're gonna change the name back to ScratchLive to keep people from bitching.
Joey Fresh 5:17 PM - 16 November, 2017
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A private beta is out to a selected group of DJs for version 2. Beside a big and interesting change log there will also be a small change in the product name. Don't know the release date or if a public beta will follow.

So this will only let you know, it's coming and the Serato team is working.

My guess is they're gonna change the name back to ScratchLive to keep people from bitching.

That would be funny.

I will happily wait for either an invite to the closed beta or an announcement of the public beta. Either way, I'm very excited to see what Serato has been working on for 2.0.

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pointless asking for features they just don't seem to be interested, well the lack of feedback from serato speaks volumes, I have seen posts on here for over 4 years asking for the same features and they still not materialised so I would suggest don't hold your breath.

I wouldn't take Serato's silence on some feature suggestions as non-interest. They're very active on the forums, they're well aware of what their users are asking for. Just wait a little longer for the SDJ 2.0 announcement and we'll see what they've got in store for us.
R-A-C 7:11 PM - 16 November, 2017
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I wouldn't take Serato's silence on some feature suggestions as non-interest. They're very active on the forums, they're well aware of what their users are asking for.

yes but nothing happens. some stuff has been requested for years (literally) and ... nothing.
Rebelguy 7:34 PM - 16 November, 2017
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I wouldn't take Serato's silence on some feature suggestions as non-interest. They're very active on the forums, they're well aware of what their users are asking for.

yes but nothing happens. some stuff has been requested for years (literally) and ... nothing.


Maybe they aren’t getting a lot of requests for these features...just the same people requesting them.
R-A-C 7:46 PM - 16 November, 2017
no, there was a bunch of stuff that had a lot of votes from different people. especially after several years.
Logisticalstyles 8:30 PM - 16 November, 2017
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there will also be a small change in the product name


Serato DJ Pro?

I think I saw someone post a screenshot of the Beta invitation on Facebook. I saw Serato DJ Pro and thought that was different. I've also noticed it with the Akai AMX. I've been seeing it lately described as the Akai AMX Pro when it used to be the Akai Pro AMX.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 8:36 PM - 16 November, 2017
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A private beta is out to a selected group of DJs for version 2. Beside a big and interesting change log there will also be a small change in the product name. Don't know the release date or if a public beta will follow.

So this will only let you know, it's coming and the Serato team is working.


I guess it's not private anymore huh?
m3lodq 8:46 PM - 16 November, 2017
Also very interested in what Serato comes up with for version 2. Hope there will be a public beta soon.
Jmoney$ 9:19 PM - 16 November, 2017
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I thought they implemented the SC5000 with the least amount of features.

It basically dumb down the SC5000.

All that screen, no scrolling waveform, no qwerty search.



It really depends on what features Denon lets them use /build into the development kit.

Denon is the other side of the equation
Mr. Goodkat 9:55 PM - 16 November, 2017
ppl that have been on the board for 10 yrs should be able to participate in the beta ;)
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:44 PM - 16 November, 2017
i think a lot of people are going to be disappointed
R-A-C 10:46 PM - 16 November, 2017
in the closed beta or the new version?
DJ Tecniq 12:30 AM - 17 November, 2017
So far I’ve seen a crossfader for the offline player...oops i spilled the beans😮
djkavika 12:53 AM - 17 November, 2017
I want to see a real smart crate like VDJ that uses play count, have a top 1000 song crate.
Also stuff that similar bpm. Everytime I change a crate I have to scroll to find a similar BPM range.
DaltonSR20 1:49 AM - 17 November, 2017
yeah so far looks like a "Practice Mode" where you have a access to 2 internal decks with an on-screen crossfader and video plugin capable.
DaltonSR20 1:52 AM - 17 November, 2017
.....and the logo now changing from black/white to blue/white
Andrei Matei 4:07 AM - 17 November, 2017
For those of you in the beta, just remember to not discuss it out in the open, or you might get your access revoked in the future. A lot has already been discussed here that probably shouldn’t have been already. Just watching out for you guys...I’m not trying to play police cop or anything.

I’m in the beta. I will *only* say this...some cool new stuff is being added for sure. Unfortunately, much of the stuff that I’ve complained about for a really long time on the forums here hasn’t been addressed. It’s def. evolutionary rather than revolutionary for now.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 4:55 AM - 17 November, 2017
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For those of you in the beta, just remember to not discuss it out in the open, or you might get your access revoked in the future. A lot has already been discussed here that probably shouldn’t have been already. Just watching out for you guys...I’m not trying to play police cop or anything.


This^^^
DeeJay Fingers 5:03 AM - 17 November, 2017
#1 Rule in fight club
R-A-C 6:30 AM - 17 November, 2017
the only thing i'm interested in is the sound quality. any word of changes in that regard?
Andrei Matei 6:44 AM - 17 November, 2017
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the only thing i'm interested in is the sound quality. any word of changes in that regard?


We asked a question on that and while they are super responsive, we didn’t get a conclusive answer. I’ll have to test soon and let you know. I’d feel comfy responding to that since it’s not a feature. :)
R-A-C 7:23 AM - 17 November, 2017
thanks! looking forward to that :-)
djCanta 12:16 PM - 17 November, 2017
I was reading a discussion about a beta version of SDJ2 of SDJ Pro and now it's gone (at the Facebook group : Serato DJ Specialists.

What's new in this beta? Anyone can tell us?
Joey Fresh 12:22 PM - 17 November, 2017
Wait for the public beta or a press release from Serato.
Private betas are private for a reason.
mixgoonie 12:53 PM - 17 November, 2017
Glad at least there is a beta...
Johnny H 1:35 PM - 17 November, 2017
Over the past few years I have stuck with serato but have never been happy with the sound quality, though can not complain about the reliability.

Lets hope version 2 can really address the below standard sound quality from serato :-)
DJ Tecniq 1:42 PM - 17 November, 2017
We’re all going in time out for talking about it. No invite for public beta...meh🤷🏼‍♂️ Not missing out on much.
J.J. 7:34 AM - 18 November, 2017
64-bit and high DPI support is huge in my opinion.

www.whois.com
dj zaza 8:01 AM - 18 November, 2017
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<font lang="it"> Stiamo andando tutti in tempo per parlarne. </font><font lang="it">Nessun invito per la beta pubblica... meh🤷🏼 ♂ ️ non perdere molto. </font>

At the moment it is better not to test the public scare too unstable and use too many resources to wait for official relaunch.
R-A-C 12:13 PM - 18 November, 2017
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64-bit and high DPI support is huge

and does it sound better because of that?
Hanginon 2:57 PM - 18 November, 2017
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64-bit and high DPI support is huge

and does it sound better because of that?

It could. On Windows, the 64 bit version of Serato should be able to use 64 bit drivers for your hardware - "if" 64 bit drivers have been written for them.
R-A-C 3:05 PM - 18 November, 2017
so using a 64bit driver makes my device sound better?
Joey Fresh 3:17 PM - 18 November, 2017
I think he's referring to the software itself being a 64-bit application, not the driver.

I can't speak as to whether a 64-bit Serato DJ application would improve playback sound quality, but there are plenty of other threads on the forum that discuss the potential benefits of a 64-bit architecture.
Logisticalstyles 3:29 PM - 18 November, 2017
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Serato DJ Pro?
I think I saw someone post a screenshot of the Beta invitation on Facebook. I saw Serato DJ Pro and thought that was different.



I knew it. www.seratodjpro.com points back to the current serato.com site.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 7:42 PM - 18 November, 2017
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Serato DJ Pro?
I think I saw someone post a screenshot of the Beta invitation on Facebook. I saw Serato DJ Pro and thought that was different.



I knew it. www.seratodjpro.com points back to the current serato.com site.


Wow - Registration Date:2011-09-27

I guess they were thinking ahead - grabbed the name 6 YEARS AGO?
veleno 8:16 PM - 18 November, 2017
Remember that it is forbidden to talk about the new version, if not in the appropriate forum, in my opinion if they notice you close the post,
veleno 8:19 PM - 18 November, 2017
Confidential Information: You agree that the Beta Software and any information concerning the Beta Software (including its nature and existence, features, functionality and screenshots) and any other information disclosed by Serato to you in connection with the Beta will be considered and referred to in this Agreement as “Confidential Information”.

Non-disclosure of Confidential Information: You agree not to disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information to anyone other than individuals who are part of the Beta and only in the Beta area in the Serato Forum, or as otherwise expressly permitted or agreed to in writing by Serato. You further agree to take all reasonable precautions to prevent any unauthorized use, disclosure, publication, or dissemination of Confidential Information, including preventing access to or display of the Beta Software to third parties. You agree not to use Confidential Information otherwise for your own or any third party’s benefit without the prior written approval of an authorised representative of Serato in each instance.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 9:38 PM - 18 November, 2017
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Remember that it is forbidden to talk about the new version, if not in the appropriate forum, in my opinion if they notice you close the post,


I was just commenting more on the Domain Name and the creation date of that said Domain - not the actual Beta or new version IF there is one.

But noted - sorry...
Despo 8:02 PM - 19 November, 2017
so is echo out fixed or not
DJ Tecniq 11:51 PM - 19 November, 2017
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so is echo out fixed or not
lol doubt it they keep blaming izotope for that.
Mr. Goodkat 5:32 AM - 20 November, 2017
i never really used the echo out but ive been using a vci 380 and i used it last night and didnt see the problem.

is it if you leave it on? but then how long does it need to be on? like 3 seconds?
DJ Tecniq 6:11 AM - 20 November, 2017
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i never really used the echo out but ive been using a vci 380 and i used it last night and didnt see the problem.

is it if you leave it on? but then how long does it need to be on? like 3 seconds?
No keep using echo out and you’ll find out. It is not noticeable every time you use it. It works just not 100% as you’ll hear distortion like muffled bass and the tail end of the echo is off. It will sound like shit if you record it. It happens on random.
Logisticalstyles 2:45 PM - 20 November, 2017
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Remember that it is forbidden to talk about the new version, if not in the appropriate forum, in my opinion if they notice you close the post,


It's not forbidden to talk about the new version.
Russ Cole 3:52 PM - 20 November, 2017
Broadcast and Recording Simultaneously Any Chance of that with 2.0, the lack of both tied together has me not committing to purchasing Serato
Russ Cole 4:13 PM - 20 November, 2017
And also facility for a USB MIcrophone that would be nice to.
skinnyguy 6:17 PM - 20 November, 2017
are we going to have to re-purchase licenses again?
popnwave 4:55 PM - 21 November, 2017
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are we going to have to re-purchase licenses again?


No.
popnwave 4:56 PM - 21 November, 2017
At this point the echo out has been like that for so long, just accept it as a feature, hah.
HARO 5:21 PM - 21 November, 2017
My main wish for SDJ 2.0 would be:

1 – Auto-engage preset loops feature like Reckordbox DJ does.

2 – Displaying full waveforms on CDJ displays when connected HID mode like Reckordbox DJ does.

3 – Finally supporting Rane MP2014.
Jmoney$ 5:31 PM - 21 November, 2017
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My main wish for SDJ 2.0 would be:


2 – Displaying full waveforms on CDJ displays when connected HID mode like Reckordbox DJ does.

Pioneer doesn't allow serato to do this currently nothing serato can do about it

Same story with the denons (hopefully that will change)
popnwave 5:39 PM - 21 November, 2017
I think the Denon stuff will come down the pipeline soon. Might be a little more resource intensive than initially thought and they had to pull back a bit.
Jmoney$ 5:46 PM - 21 November, 2017
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I think the Denon stuff will come down the pipeline soon. Might be a little more resource intensive than initially thought and they had to pull back a bit.


it is possible but denon would have to add that feature to the development kit for serato to use it. Last i heard it was not there.
Blank_Disk 10:06 PM - 21 November, 2017
serato dj 2.0 wont be released just yet..... version 1.999999999999999 will be released first
mixgoonie 8:53 AM - 22 November, 2017
LOL
Dj cuervo 3:16 PM - 22 November, 2017
Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!
popnwave 3:30 PM - 22 November, 2017
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Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!


Is it working with it right now in beta?
Dj cuervo 4:01 PM - 22 November, 2017
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Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!


Is it working with it right now in beta?


No clue ... not one of the lucky famous DJ in the private beta. I have a Software Dev/QA background tho #DayJob
popnwave 4:08 PM - 22 November, 2017
I wouldn't sweat it too much, as long as the device works in your OS, SDJ has yet to cut loose any hardware it has supported.

The only iffy stuff is the Rane devices that don't always play nice in OS X versions El Cap thru High Sierra.
938MyDJ 6:05 PM - 22 November, 2017
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Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!


Is it working with it right now in beta?


The VCI-400 works with the beta.
So the 380 should work on the upcoming version too.
Dj cuervo 6:28 PM - 22 November, 2017
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Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!


Is it working with it right now in beta?


The VCI-400 works with the beta.
So the 380 should work on the upcoming version too.



Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
CanaroMix 9:21 PM - 22 November, 2017
Stai tranquillo, la mitica VCI-380 funziona senza problemi su Win7, win10, high sierra con SDpro 2 ;) credimi... in questo momento è qui che stà suonando su Hsierra e il 2; d'altronde su macOS usa i core audio quindi niente problemi, e i driver scritti da vestax per windows vanno ancora alla grande sui sistemi 64 bit

Be quiet, the legendary VCI-380 runs smoothly on Win7, win10, high sierra with SDpro 2;) believe me ... right now he's here playing Hsierra and the 2; in other words on macOS it uses the audio core so no problems, and drivers written by vestax for windows are still great on 64 bit systems
dj_soo 3:06 AM - 23 November, 2017
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Please don't kill the Vestax 380 in the new 2.0 version. Since it does not need any drivers for the 64 bit support or 32 bit support. I know it is old but it has the best jog wheels for Scratching in my opinion!!!


Is it working with it right now in beta?


no problems with my vci 380
djcrap 6:59 PM - 25 November, 2017
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i never really used the echo out but ive been using a vci 380 and i used it last night and didnt see the problem.

is it if you leave it on? but then how long does it need to be on? like 3 seconds?


was this on scratchlive or serato dj.
and which version of serato dj
DJ Tecniq 11:59 PM - 25 November, 2017
I been using epic reverb fx with my SR2 i actually prefer it over echo out now. It works and doesn’t sound like shit every other mix i do.
DjSyndic8 12:54 AM - 26 November, 2017
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I been using epic reverb fx with my SR2 i actually prefer it over echo out now. It works and doesn’t sound like shit every other mix i do.

nice thanks dj techiq ill check it out
938MyDJ 5:31 AM - 26 November, 2017
Version Echo at 1/2 beat also works great.

For post fader controllers only though.
Just make sure you cut it on proper timing.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 26 November, 2017
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nice thanks dj techiq ill check it out
No prob @ 0.56 secs in he uses epic reverb fx. It’s pretty much the same effect as the Pioneer S9’s reverb fx.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 26 November, 2017
DJ Yaitanis 5:15 AM - 7 December, 2017
What is the big deal with getting a bigger Library Search Box so we can see what we are doing? How difficult can this be!

Probably the most important feature baring 2 Track Practice Mode (Big Thank You!).

Come on guys!!!
onthe1 12:06 AM - 18 December, 2017
There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread. I hope basic track analysis and MIDI implementation are improved.

And most of all, please don't kill support for my xone db2. (and the other controllers people are worried about in this regard) Reading about how things went with the A&H DX has got me fidgety. I would probably have to switch to Traktor, which I don't really want to do.
Rebelguy 3:30 AM - 18 December, 2017
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There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread. I hope basic track analysis and MIDI implementation are improved.

And most of all, please don't kill support for my xone db2. (and the other controllers people are worried about in this regard) Reading about how things went with the A&H DX has got me fidgety. I would probably have to switch to Traktor, which I don't really want to do.


The DX was a Serato Itch controller. They abandoned the platform so the hardware support was done also.
onthe1 6:08 AM - 18 December, 2017
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There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread. I hope basic track analysis and MIDI implementation are improved.

And most of all, please don't kill support for my xone db2. (and the other controllers people are worried about in this regard) Reading about how things went with the A&H DX has got me fidgety. I would probably have to switch to Traktor, which I don't really want to do.


The DX was a Serato Itch controller. They abandoned the platform so the hardware support was done also.


So you're suggesting that this time the platform is NOT being abandoned? Because I have heard that the name is changing again.

*fingers crossed that this is the case
dj_soo 8:35 AM - 18 December, 2017
Anything that supports DJ will supprt DJ Pro from what I understand. It's just a name change as opposed to a brand new program like the jump from Itch to DJ.

My VCI 380 works on the beta so I would assume if a controller from a non-existent company that still supports the software, you won't have a problem with the DB2.

From what I understood, when they switched to DJ, the companies had to pay a new license or something and A&H refused.
onthe1 12:14 AM - 19 December, 2017
OK, thanks. That's good to know.
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Anything that supports DJ will supprt DJ Pro from what I understand. It's just a name change as opposed to a brand new program like the jump from Itch to DJ.

My VCI 380 works on the beta so I would assume if a controller from a non-existent company that still supports the software, you won't have a problem with the DB2.

From what I understood, when they switched to DJ, the companies had to pay a new license or something and A&H refused.


OK, thanks. That's good to know.
edgar caceres 4:11 AM - 19 December, 2017
please in the new version include 32 samples , and is very important . and also vts plugins support . it would ma a big difference
mixgoonie 6:38 AM - 19 December, 2017
Still no public beta....
DjSyndic8 8:16 AM - 19 December, 2017
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Still no public beta....


only special humans with higher chromosomes get to test the beta
Big Pops 9:56 PM - 19 December, 2017
when are we going to see a public beta @Serato
Dj cuervo 10:05 PM - 19 December, 2017
u will see a demo at winter namm jan 25 hopefully
J.J. 1:07 AM - 20 December, 2017
NAMM = Not Available till Mid May
DjSyndic8 7:25 AM - 20 December, 2017
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NAMM = Not Available till Mid May


cool plenty of time to iron out all the kinks should be no excuse for any issues.......... yer na
Dj cuervo 2:14 PM - 20 December, 2017
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NAMM = Not Available till Mid May


maybe for Rane 72 and MIDI turntable
onthe1 1:38 PM - 26 December, 2017
If there is support for high resolution displays, please make sure the software is somewhat friendly for low res displays too. I just got a new laptop with good specs for Serato usage (core i7 gen8 processor, SSD, etc.) except for the screen which is not even 1080p and am already having to switch between EFX and sampler options displaying while using 4 decks which is annoying so please keep in mind that not all of us are using retina displays with this.

Also, +1 to improved auto gain.

And +1 for improvement on the sound quality of effects and overall sound quality. The effects are decent but post fader would be nice and a little less digital distortion type break ups on some of them would be an improvement.
R-A-C 7:42 PM - 27 December, 2017
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If there is support for high resolution displays, please make sure the software is somewhat friendly for low res displays too.

no worries, it works fine at lower resolutions.
onthe1 3:51 AM - 28 December, 2017
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If there is support for high resolution displays, please make sure the software is somewhat friendly for low res displays too.

no worries, it works fine at lower resolutions.


Nice. Thanks.
A-Skate 11:21 AM - 29 December, 2017
Anybody who feels Serato doesn't need new features need to take a long hard look at what the competition is doing. After using Rekordbox as my main driver for 6 months, Serato feels pretty limited without these:

- Offline player

- Ability to analyze tracks when hardware is connected. Missed this feature already 9 years ago when switched over from Traktor Scratch.

- Tabbed browser and/or multiple browser windows

- Persistent "prepare" like RB's "tag". Basically improvising a playlist on the fly is retarded
on Serato. Change you're mind after loading a track from the prepare window? Serato says no.

- "Related tracks" (filter options: genre, +/- bpm range, etc.). This for me is the killer feature in RB. Dial in the filters and RB gives you an automatically updated list of related tracks. Extremely helpful for long sets (I typically play solo 5-6h) , where it's impossible to thoroughly prepare beforehand, or need to improvise mid set.

- Customizable keyboard shortcuts. I mean WTF?

- I love the way how you can setup the pad FX/cue point/loop/whatever section to use the same keyboard shortcuts, but only having to switch the pad mode, basically just like on the DJM-S9 (but you can do it separately for each deck). I've set up my shortcuts like this:
- Shift+1 brings switches to cue point mode on the pads for deck 1
- Shift+2 brings out pad FX mode for deck 1
- Shift+3 for loops deck 1
- Shift+6 switches to cue point mode for deck 2
- Shift+7 switches to pad FX mode for deck 2
- etc. etc.

With this setup I can use the same keyboard shortcuts for the 8 pads:
For deck 1: 1,2,3,4,q,w,e,r
For deck 2: 6,7,8,9,y,u,i,o

If it wasn't for the sh***y DVS tracking on RB, I would've made the switch already. Made a video of my issues with it: Watchwww.youtube.com (sorry for the shaky phone cam)...
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:33 PM - 29 December, 2017
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Anybody who feels Serato doesn't need new features need to take a long hard look at what the competition is doing. After using Rekordbox as my main driver for 6 months, Serato feels pretty limited without these:

- Offline player

- Ability to analyze tracks when hardware is connected. Missed this feature already 9 years ago when switched over from Traktor Scratch.

- Tabbed browser and/or multiple browser windows

- Persistent "prepare" like RB's "tag". Basically improvising a playlist on the fly is retarded
on Serato. Change you're mind after loading a track from the prepare window? Serato says no.

- "Related tracks" (filter options: genre, +/- bpm range, etc.). This for me is the killer feature in RB. Dial in the filters and RB gives you an automatically updated list of related tracks. Extremely helpful for long sets (I typically play solo 5-6h) , where it's impossible to thoroughly prepare beforehand, or need to improvise mid set.

- Customizable keyboard shortcuts. I mean WTF?

- I love the way how you can setup the pad FX/cue point/loop/whatever section to use the same keyboard shortcuts, but only having to switch the pad mode, basically just like on the DJM-S9 (but you can do it separately for each deck). I've set up my shortcuts like this:
- Shift+1 brings switches to cue point mode on the pads for deck 1
- Shift+2 brings out pad FX mode for deck 1
- Shift+3 for loops deck 1
- Shift+6 switches to cue point mode for deck 2
- Shift+7 switches to pad FX mode for deck 2
- etc. etc.

With this setup I can use the same keyboard shortcuts for the 8 pads:
For deck 1: 1,2,3,4,q,w,e,r
For deck 2: 6,7,8,9,y,u,i,o

If it wasn't for the sh***y DVS tracking on RB, I would've made the switch already. Made a video of my issues with it: Watchwww.youtube.com (sorry for the shaky phone cam)...


So you're complaining about bad Serato in comparison to Rekord Box. Then you turn around and shit on RekordBox. Sounds like you need to go back to Traktor and be happy.
DJ Tecniq 11:58 PM - 29 December, 2017
There’s always virtual dj🤷🏼‍♂️
Blank_Disk 9:13 AM - 30 December, 2017
i would be using traktor now but when i map my sx2 with it, it acts very strange, delayed reaction for opening setting and the program itself seems to slow down.
A-Skate 5:58 PM - 30 December, 2017
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So you're complaining about bad Serato in comparison to Rekord Box. Then you turn around and shit on RekordBox. Sounds like you need to go back to Traktor and be happy.


Just pointing out some great features that other software provide. If you're happy with a stagnating platform, great for you.
Blank_Disk 10:56 AM - 31 December, 2017
if traktor worked right with my controller i would be using it rather than serato, serato is stable but incredibly limited, the whole of this form have been asking for improvements here and there for over 5 years and I'm yet to see any, people have requested library upgrades, crate improvements, sampler improvements, ui options but nothing seems to change, gonna have to have a fiddle with traktor as I'm getting irate with the way serato is not going anywhere.
Clubber1970 11:07 AM - 31 December, 2017
Is Traktor going anywhere???
Colored Crates ? Cmon!!!
Blank_Disk 12:24 PM - 31 December, 2017
traktor has a far superior library, sampler and layout choices.
Blank_Disk 12:31 PM - 31 December, 2017
also i have discovered its far more responsive too, try a scratch with a jog and hit a cue, it never starts properly from the cue there is always a slight delay with serato.
dj_soo 9:35 PM - 31 December, 2017
sounds like you don't have your cues perfectly set. zoom in and set them or turn on quantize and make sure your grids are set.
mixgoonie 2:47 PM - 1 January, 2018
Traktor has a know issue with effects causing audio drops.... Since more than one year so...
Big Pops 4:57 PM - 1 January, 2018
Lets be honest all these DJ software has their problems, I only hope it SeratoDJ Pro they address the long list of overdue problems users been having.
Blank_Disk 11:00 PM - 1 January, 2018
Already beat gridded my tracks properly, cues are bang on the start of the beat, I'm running an i7 4970, 16gb ram, nvme ssd @ 2100 read 1500 write, the pc boots in less that 6 seconds, as i know the next thing on the list will be its my hardware.
Dj cuervo 11:53 PM - 1 January, 2018
ITS 2018 WHERE IS THE PUBLIC BETA!!!!!!
Bonafyd Sound 1:38 AM - 2 January, 2018
X2 on the related tracks feature.
Rebelguy 3:28 AM - 2 January, 2018
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ITS 2018 WHERE IS THE PUBLIC BETA!!!!!!


Most of the company has been off for the holidays. Maybe they will drop it this week or next. They could just possibly go straight to release for NAMM.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 8:07 PM - 2 January, 2018
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ITS 2018 WHERE IS THE PUBLIC BETA!!!!!!


Maybe they want to take their time with the private Beta to properly address the issues with a controlled environment instead. That keeps them from having a forum full of the same complaints and issues from the public. Make sense?
djmel 7:05 AM - 3 January, 2018
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The only thing I care about is bringing back SSL style 33/45 rpm toggles on each deck, independent of the current SDJ "master" toggle in settings.

Have that in 1.9.9/2.0 and I am all set, hahaha.

yeeeeesssssssssssssssss mannn
cotdagoo 6:59 PM - 3 January, 2018
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... That keeps them from having a forum full of the same complaints and issues from the public. Make sense?

I don't see how this would be any different than the forum full of same complaints and unfixed issues they currently have visible to the public.. lol
Jmoney$ 5:12 PM - 5 January, 2018
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- Ability to analyze tracks when hardware is connected. Missed this feature already 9 years ago when switched over from Traktor Scratch.


You raise some valid points but you can definitely analyze tracks with hardware connected
maybe you need to take a long hard look at the user manual
Blank_Disk 5:39 PM - 5 January, 2018
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- Ability to analyze tracks when hardware is connected. Missed this feature already 9 years ago when switched over from Traktor Scratch.


You raise some valid points but you can definitely analyze tracks with hardware connected
maybe you need to take a long hard look at the user manual


Explain how, when you connect a controller the analyse button disappears.
dj_soo 5:44 PM - 5 January, 2018
when you load up an unanalyzed track, it will analyze it. You just can't mass-analyze files in the background while you're playing. This was a deliberate design decision because you know if that were included, the forum would be full of "serato is garbage - nothing but dropouts while I'm playing in the club while I'm analyzing 2000 tracks in the background!" posts.
ParisCreative 8:41 PM - 5 January, 2018
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when you load up an unanalyzed track, it will analyze it. You just can't mass-analyze files in the background while you're playing. This was a deliberate design decision because you know if that were included, the forum would be full of "serato is garbage - nothing but dropouts while I'm playing in the club while I'm analyzing 2000 tracks in the background!" posts.


This 1000x. Serato DJ is already pretty CPU and memory intensive. Just imagine if you could analyze during playback, in it's current state it would stuffer all day long.

I am really curious where Serato DJ Pro really comes into play here. Why brand as pro to begin with, is there really a new fork in this? 64-bit is now a necessary path, but is this a complete code re-write and will we have to spend 2 years ironing out all the bugs to get to stable?

Inquiring minds want to know.
DjSyndic8 10:01 PM - 5 January, 2018
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- Ability to analyze tracks when hardware is connected. Missed this feature already 9 years ago when switched over from Traktor Scratch.


You raise some valid points but you can definitely analyze tracks with hardware connected
maybe you need to take a long hard look at the user manual


Explain how, when you connect a controller the analyse button disappears.


u can analyze tracks when u load them to the players u can only do one at a time
Blank_Disk 7:25 AM - 6 January, 2018
well that's obvious, the problem is you cant add a few track and analyse them in 1 go and I think that's what is being referred to in the op
Blank_Disk 7:28 AM - 6 January, 2018
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when you load up an unanalyzed track, it will analyze it. You just can't mass-analyze files in the background while you're playing. This was a deliberate design decision because you know if that were included, the forum would be full of "serato is garbage - nothing but dropouts while I'm playing in the club while I'm analyzing 2000 tracks in the background!" posts.


dropouts would dependant on the hardware, I'm running high end gear so it would cope without issue, and to be honest nobody in their right mind would put 2000 tracks on analyse during a set, I personally analyse then turn on my controller, that's my way around it for the time being.
DjSyndic8 7:51 AM - 7 January, 2018
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when you load up an unanalyzed track, it will analyze it. You just can't mass-analyze files in the background while you're playing. This was a deliberate design decision because you know if that were included, the forum would be full of "serato is garbage - nothing but dropouts while I'm playing in the club while I'm analyzing 2000 tracks in the background!" posts.


dropouts would dependant on the hardware, I'm running high end gear so it would cope without issue, and to be honest nobody in their right mind would put 2000 tracks on analyse during a set, I personally analyse then turn on my controller, that's my way around it for the time being.


there's a reason why analysis should be done in offline mode so that there is no issues when you play live on a 32bit software
dj zaza 8:31 AM - 7 January, 2018
why ask to be able to analyze several tracks at the same time when the hardware is connected, this means taking away resources while using the software, temperatures of the PC or Mac much higher, possible drop audio and crash, this operation must remain so, off line analysis multitrack, with the connected mixer analysis only if the track is loaded the first time. Sometimes I read absurd requests.
DJ Tecniq 10:20 AM - 7 January, 2018
What they should work on is how much cpu is used just analyzing files offline...god damn. Scratchlive owns in that department still very low cpu. SDJ 2.0 better use less cpu they are literally bloating the shit out of it...remember Pulselocker shit was like cancer.
dj zaza 10:31 AM - 7 January, 2018
Hi Dj Tecniq, I think that now we can no longer make the comparison with SSL, there is too much difference, today they can pemettersi to use more resources given the power of cpu, only that this penalizes older PCs or Macs.
Blank_Disk 11:17 AM - 7 January, 2018
Agreed that PC users are penalized , im running an i7 4970 and its quad core dual thread so I have 8 logical processors, peak usage with sarato running alone is about 8 to 12 percent so in my case analysis would cause no harm with all the free processing power doing nothing, have 16gb ram to never uses about 4gb with sarato running.
popnwave 1:11 AM - 8 January, 2018
Well damn man, just fire up 4 decks and analyze while you DJ on the fly if you want it so bad.

This is getting silly.
pdidy 3:41 AM - 8 January, 2018
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Agreed that PC users are penalized , im running an i7 4970 and its quad core dual thread so I have 8 logical processors, peak usage with sarato running alone is about 8 to 12 percent so in my case analysis would cause no harm with all the free processing power doing nothing, have 16gb ram to never uses about 4gb with sarato running.

Would you also suggest we remove child safety caps from medicine bottles because in YOUR case it would cause no harm to YOU and speed up the process of YOU opening the medicine bottle.
Blank_Disk 8:37 AM - 8 January, 2018
well that's constructive.
DJ Tecniq 2:51 AM - 9 January, 2018
Regardless analyzing files in SDJ causes the cpu bar in SDJ to overspike. I’m running a Mid 2014 mbp w/16 gigs ram and nvidia graphics card and my Mac shoots through the roof. I wish it was less stress analyzing like SSL did. But we can’t have everything in life i guess🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 2:52 AM - 9 January, 2018
Less stress on the cpu*
DJ Tecniq 2:59 AM - 9 January, 2018
It seems like 1.7/1.8 versions weren’t as bad. I get that analyzing files will cause more cpu but seeing that cpu bar in the red always scares me😬
Mike Sinclair 10:35 PM - 16 January, 2018
I must be missing something. I see a lot of requests for "improved auto gain" in Serato. What is wrong with the auto gain? I tried out Rekordbox DJ and that auto gain is HORRENDOUS. I had to ride my gains BIG time, where I only need minor tweaks in Serato.
Andrei Matei 11:59 PM - 16 January, 2018
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I must be missing something. I see a lot of requests for "improved auto gain" in Serato. What is wrong with the auto gain? I tried out Rekordbox DJ and that auto gain is HORRENDOUS. I had to ride my gains BIG time, where I only need minor tweaks in Serato.


I can shed a little light on this. Auto-gain is so important because manually saving gains for tracks doesn't work well for many reasons. Here is why.

With SSL, we had a master gain that was great because it globally affected gain levels. For example, if you saved a gain on a track with an SL3, then played that same track with a 68 or 62, the levels are different with each piece of HW. No problem. Set the master gain to the desired level so all hit hot yellow but never red, and you are good. It even remembers that master level when you plug each device in.

SDJ does not work this way, so you have to rely on erratic auto-gain or just simply not use certain hardware or software combinations.

Issue #1: Saved SSL track gain on SDJ gain not the same. SDJ gain much louder. Need to re-do whole library (which has its own host of problems I can get into if you want.)

Issue #2: Certain SDJ devices do not respect saved gain values. For example, saved gain values on DDJ-SX, DDJ-SR, DJM900 w/ Club Kit, SL3 are all the same. GOOD. As it should be. Now, use a DDJ-SX2, and mysteriously EVERYTHING is in the red. WTF?!?! Why? You have no master gain to turn everything down now so you are stuck. No option at all.

Issue #3: SDJ 1.x gain structure is not respected in SDJ Pro 2.0. With being mindful of the beta and disclosures, I won't divulge more than to just say, your saved gains that are set to hot yellow but never red in SDJ 1.x are now peaking into the red in SDJ Pro 2.0. So, you'd have to redo them all over again. (Again, this can be a problem, let me know if you want me to discuss.)

Main Issue: Since there are so many "saved gain" issues, the natural solution is to "use autogain and re-analyze your files with your desired db level". Well, by doing so, tracks are erratic in gain level. Some peak in the red, some stay in the green. Change from 92db to lower, and your overall levels are lower, but still not consistent at all.

So, this is how I've gotten around this issue personally:

1.) I've set my tracks to peak to hot yellow in SSL 2.5 with Master Gain around 3 o'clock with SL3 connected. This will give me peak hot yellow in SDJ 1.x on all the devices I choose to use.
2.) Set my Master Gain to 5o'clock when using Rane 68 with SSL 2.5. This peaks at hot yellow.
3.) I use SDJ 1.x ONLY with DDJ-SX, DDJ-SR, DJM900nxs w/ Club Kit, and SL3. Tracks are hot yellow based on my SSL gain settings. (If I set gains in SSL at 12 o'clock, they'd be too hot in SDJ)
4.) I will NOT use a DDJ-SX2 because those levels are not respected. I will NOT use SDJ Pro 2.0 because they changed things again. Perhaps more gain granularity in the meters like SSL had is what is throwing it off? Haven't gotten confirmation.

What a stupid pain in the rear. Why does this have to be so hard?

I've tried a ton of combinations and rented so much gear to figure out this as much as I have, but obviously there is plenty more gear to try. Looking forward to hearing what other folks have found with all of this.
Mike Sinclair 12:46 AM - 17 January, 2018
Wow, that doesn't sound fun. For me, I never used SSL. It's just Serato DJ vs Rekordbox DJ for me with the DDJ-SX2 or DDJ-RX. Comparing those two setups, the auto-gain is leaps and bounds better on Serato. That's actually the main reason I stick with Serato. I was really digging Rekordbox, but the auto-gain is just horrible. I play a track with a soft intro and I have to CRANK trim up by a large margin just to hear it. With Serato, I can leave the trims set and occasionally bump em' up or down. It'll be interesting to see what Serato DJ Pro has to offer.
Mr. Goodkat 12:50 AM - 17 January, 2018
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I must be missing something. I see a lot of requests for "improved auto gain" in Serato. What is wrong with the auto gain? I tried out Rekordbox DJ and that auto gain is HORRENDOUS. I had to ride my gains BIG time, where I only need minor tweaks in Serato.


seems to me if you play a certain style of music that has similar output, like lets say EDM thats always really hot, then auto gain is fine, but if you play all over, like 90s hip hop, new hip hop, new and old house, and some rock the levels are all over the place. at least thats how it is for me. Every time i start to trust it, and get into a zone, the auto gain on about 1-10 tracks its completely out of whack. If i'm flipping tracks quickly in an open format style, its just kind of annoying. I usually just turn it off and then i know i have to baby sit some tracks.

also, i always feels like AG colors the sound in a bad way.

im not saying im right, im just saying thats the perception i have from my experiences.
DJ Marv the Maverick 1:05 AM - 17 January, 2018
I use 89db autogain, I haven't touched any tracks individually. 55k plus tracks where do I begin.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:11 AM - 17 January, 2018
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I must be missing something. I see a lot of requests for "improved auto gain" in Serato. What is wrong with the auto gain? I tried out Rekordbox DJ and that auto gain is HORRENDOUS. I had to ride my gains BIG time, where I only need minor tweaks in Serato.


I can shed a little light on this. Auto-gain is so important because manually saving gains for tracks doesn't work well for many reasons. Here is why.

With SSL, we had a master gain that was great because it globally affected gain levels. For example, if you saved a gain on a track with an SL3, then played that same track with a 68 or 62, the levels are different with each piece of HW. No problem. Set the master gain to the desired level so all hit hot yellow but never red, and you are good. It even remembers that master level when you plug each device in.

SDJ does not work this way, so you have to rely on erratic auto-gain or just simply not use certain hardware or software combinations.

Issue #1: Saved SSL track gain on SDJ gain not the same. SDJ gain much louder. Need to re-do whole library (which has its own host of problems I can get into if you want.)

Issue #2: Certain SDJ devices do not respect saved gain values. For example, saved gain values on DDJ-SX, DDJ-SR, DJM900 w/ Club Kit, SL3 are all the same. GOOD. As it should be. Now, use a DDJ-SX2, and mysteriously EVERYTHING is in the red. WTF?!?! Why? You have no master gain to turn everything down now so you are stuck. No option at all.

Issue #3: SDJ 1.x gain structure is not respected in SDJ Pro 2.0. With being mindful of the beta and disclosures, I won't divulge more than to just say, your saved gains that are set to hot yellow but never red in SDJ 1.x are now peaking into the red in SDJ Pro 2.0. So, you'd have to redo them all over again. (Again, this can be a problem, let me know if you want me to discuss.)

Main Issue: Since there are so many "saved gain" issues, the natural solution is to "use autogain and re-analyze your files with your desired db level". Well, by doing so, tracks are erratic in gain level. Some peak in the red, some stay in the green. Change from 92db to lower, and your overall levels are lower, but still not consistent at all.

So, this is how I've gotten around this issue personally:

1.) I've set my tracks to peak to hot yellow in SSL 2.5 with Master Gain around 3 o'clock with SL3 connected. This will give me peak hot yellow in SDJ 1.x on all the devices I choose to use.
2.) Set my Master Gain to 5o'clock when using Rane 68 with SSL 2.5. This peaks at hot yellow.
3.) I use SDJ 1.x ONLY with DDJ-SX, DDJ-SR, DJM900nxs w/ Club Kit, and SL3. Tracks are hot yellow based on my SSL gain settings. (If I set gains in SSL at 12 o'clock, they'd be too hot in SDJ)
4.) I will NOT use a DDJ-SX2 because those levels are not respected. I will NOT use SDJ Pro 2.0 because they changed things again. Perhaps more gain granularity in the meters like SSL had is what is throwing it off? Haven't gotten confirmation.

What a stupid pain in the rear. Why does this have to be so hard?

I've tried a ton of combinations and rented so much gear to figure out this as much as I have, but obviously there is plenty more gear to try. Looking forward to hearing what other folks have found with all of this.


Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I told them the first week of the beta that it was running hot. They claimed that no changes to Auto Gain was made.
Andrei Matei 1:17 AM - 17 January, 2018
Mr. Goodkat makes an EXCELLENT point I can’t believe I forgot to mention. Autogain on SSL degrades clarity of tracks quite a bit but is still passable. Autogain on SDJ sounds HORRIBLE on the other hand, especially on larger systems. Totally muddy and dull and unacceptable. That’s a huge issue that I should have noted.

Mike: Does RB have the notion of manually saving track gains? If so, that’s not a bad way to go so you don’t have to rely on the software to get it wrong.
Mike Sinclair 1:22 AM - 17 January, 2018
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Mr. Goodkat makes an EXCELLENT point I can’t believe I forgot to mention. Autogain on SSL degrades clarity of tracks quite a bit but is still passable. Autogain on SDJ sounds HORRIBLE on the other hand, especially on larger systems. Totally muddy and dull and unacceptable. That’s a huge issue that I should have noted.

Mike: Does RB have the notion of manually saving track gains? If so, that’s not a bad way to go so you don’t have to rely on the software to get it wrong.


The problem with RB isn't the overall level of a song. The issue I have with it is: let's say you have a song with a softer intro, then after 10 seconds, the level jumps up. The soft part is almost inaudible, so I have to run the trim WAY up to say 3 o'clock... then when the louder part kicks in, I have to quickly pull the trim back down to around 10 o'clock. It's like that with a lot of tracks and the soft parts aren't even "that soft" example: the intro to "24k Magic" where bruno is singing in auto-tune. That has to be cranked until the beat kicks in. I don't have those kinds of issues with Serato. Also, I run everything through Platinum Notes, so my levels are fairly close. With Serato, I really only have to adjust a few tracks ever so slightly. It really is night & day from Serato to Rekordbox DJ. It's a bummer too because RB has some REALLY nice features.
Mr. Goodkat 1:29 AM - 17 January, 2018
if there pretty close w platinum notes why even bother with auto gain in RKB?
Mike Sinclair 1:30 AM - 17 January, 2018
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if there pretty close w platinum notes why even bother with auto gain in RKB?


I tried it with and without auto-gain enabled and the tracks still have to be "ridden". It's quite strange.
Mike Sinclair 1:33 AM - 17 January, 2018
I'm not the only one with this issue: forums.pioneerdj.com
Mr. Goodkat 1:35 AM - 17 January, 2018
interesting.

do you play open format or hip hop or more uptempo electronic?
Mike Sinclair 1:36 AM - 17 January, 2018
I'm a wedding DJ so I play everything from the swing era, oldies, motown, classic rock, top 40, hip-hop, country, you name it!
Mr. Goodkat 1:42 AM - 17 January, 2018
i always thought it would be cool for SDJ to implement 1 3rd party plugin effect on the master.

that way you could run a limiter on the master to get a little more gain(or less) and have high quality limiter. I think you can run some plugins in VDJ but i guess its highly unlikely that we ever see that in SDJ.
Jmoney$ 3:27 PM - 18 January, 2018
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if there pretty close w platinum notes why even bother with auto gain in RKB?


I tried it with and without auto-gain enabled and the tracks still have to be "ridden". It's quite strange.


If you are using platinum notes auto gain is supposed to be set to off in the DJ Software. If you leave it on you are negating the work platinum notes has done. PN's gain algorithm is much better than serato so why would you want your PN track regained by serato?

I turned off auto gain in serato and never looked back. I just make minor adjustments with the gain knobs.
popnwave 5:02 PM - 18 January, 2018
Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.
ParisCreative 5:04 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.


PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.
Mike Sinclair 5:06 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.


PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.


For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.
ParisCreative 5:07 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.


PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.


For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.


That is why I said generally. I knew someone would be using lossless somewhere. :)
popnwave 5:10 PM - 18 January, 2018
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For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.


Yeah, the MP3 is double whammy, but PN is still not using gain which why my point.

Plus the crap PN does to fix brickwalled tracks is snake oil, it can't recover stuff that was cut off. The only use I see for it is material off a CD pre mid 90s or vinyl only stuff you've ripped and it was a bit quiet compared to the rest of your library.
Mike Sinclair 7:05 PM - 18 January, 2018
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For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.


Yeah, the MP3 is double whammy, but PN is still not using gain which why my point.

Plus the crap PN does to fix brickwalled tracks is snake oil, it can't recover stuff that was cut off. The only use I see for it is material off a CD pre mid 90s or vinyl only stuff you've ripped and it was a bit quiet compared to the rest of your library.


I only use the normalization feature of PN. I disable the "add warmth" and the compression and expansion options. That way, it brings up the level on the older stuff like you mentioned, but it also slightly lowers the over-produced newer tracks too, so riding the gains isn't as much of a problem. I do understand what you're saying though.
onthe1 7:22 PM - 18 January, 2018
Hopefully Serato 2.0 will be an opportunity to take care of many of the known issues with Serato 1.x that have been around for a while. In particular, I'm having problems with my Xone:db2 with Serato due to this issue:

support.serato.com

which some of us have been discussing near the end of this thread:

serato.com

I'm not sure if this can be taken care of at the Serato end but the same Allen & Heath drivers have been working fine for me with Ableton and I haven't yet heard about anyone having these issues with the db2/db4 with Traktor.

One other thing about using this mixer with Serato is the lack of MIDI functionality. I'm looking into a workaround using software MIDI ports, but we could really use a MIDI out in Serato to sync. Ableton link is working to some extent as an alternative and will be improved in Ableton 10 with start/stop messaging so hopefully Serato 2.0 will work well with that change as well.
Jmoney$ 9:42 PM - 18 January, 2018
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You are partially right if everything is turned on they do these steps then rencode

1. Dynamics adjustment - Use the multiband expansion plugin from iZotope's Ozone mastering suite to adjust the dynamics of your files.
2. Clipped peak repair
3. Pitch correction Platinum Notes tunes the overall pitch to A 440. This only adjusts the overall tuning - individual instruments will retain the tuning relative to each other.
4. Set final output volume - this is similar to normalizing, but is more than a simple gain adjustment. We again use a plugin from iZotope's Ozone mastering suite, the mastering limiter. We use a gentle setting so that it doesn't undue the earlier dynamics expansion, but it still keeps the peaks more consistent.
DJ Guayo 9:45 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.


PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.


For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.


Where are you finding AIFF files? All the records pools I've used provide MP3s. DJCity, ClubKillers, and BPM Supreme.
Mike Sinclair 9:51 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Platinum Notes isn't using gain, it's reencoding your stuff louder/normalized.


PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.


For MP3 users, this is true. I actually run AIFF files through Platinum Notes (and re-save as AIFF) then I convert to ALAC (Lossless) with another app. So I don't deal with compressed files at all.


Where are you finding AIFF files? All the records pools I've used provide MP3s. DJCity, ClubKillers, and BPM Supreme.


Ripped my CDs as AIFF ... then I subscribe to Promo Only POOL which allows downloads in Lossless as an option.
popnwave 10:13 PM - 18 January, 2018
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Again, you if you understand that you can't fix what isn't there you realize that it's snake oil.

Platinum Notes isn't the worst tool on earth, but look past the market speak and understand what is going on.
Jmoney$ 10:53 PM - 18 January, 2018
I think most people just don't understand how the program works or that it uses izotope plugins. Clipped peak repair is only one of the features a minor one at best but it seems to be what people focus on. PN describes clipped peak repair as a subtle change I don't think that snake oil at all. The dynamics of the track are changed to provide more headroom and the peaks are rounded off, You can view the waveform to see the change not marketing speak it actually happens and you can open the created file and verify it.

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For anyone who is interested this is how clipped peak repair is done in an audio editor
Watchwww.youtube.com
Andrei Matei 10:59 PM - 22 January, 2018
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PopNWave is correct. It is permanently altering your files, and also since you are generally taking a lossy file and resaving it, you are compounding compression issues on top of that.


Yup. This is why you NEVER should just run your entire library through PN in blanket fashion. I know some people do this and I cringe. In many cases PN can actually make an mp3 file sound substantially worse so it should be used in a one-off manner every time you add a song to your library only.

I tend to like to have most of my files around -12.5db, so I adjust PN settings (with added warmth and pitch correct OFF) on a file-by-file basis to get those results, then load the original track on one deck, the PN-adjusted file on another deck, bring them in time, and then cut back and forth to hear if it was improved or not or if it sounds worse.

For quiet recordings, it works nicely, for clip repair, as many have said, its can really make an MP3 sound dull. Still an invaluable tool, however, if you are using it carefully.

Blah blah blah, all this to say that setting your manual gains is STILL IMPORTANT even when you use PN because there will still be variations.

Sorry to continue to sidetrack this convo. To bring it back around, yes SDJ Pro 2.0 needs to either a.) get saved gains to be identical in level to what they were in SDJ or b.) assure us that if we re-do our libraries again with it, it will now not change for good. That would be nice.
Blank_Disk 8:05 AM - 23 January, 2018
only thing I do to my tracks is normalize them through adobe audition in batch mode before adding them to library
monkeyfunk 11:12 AM - 23 January, 2018
When are Serato due to unveil 2.0? am i right in thinking the 25th?
popnwave 3:38 PM - 23 January, 2018
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Seems fitting with that being the start of NAMM.
mixgoonie 3:43 PM - 23 January, 2018
i gueuss it will be in public beta by then ? or they directly launch the new version ?
Dj cuervo 3:45 PM - 23 January, 2018
I see details leaked on tomorrow. Booth Presentation on Friday with the full run down. I hope is a full release and not beta after two months of private beta.
popnwave 3:46 PM - 23 January, 2018
They might show off a release candidate build and give us a final product download date as well.
DjSyndic8 4:43 PM - 23 January, 2018
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serato might hit us with a surprise... serato 2.0 subscription only... lol no seriously serato No
DjSyndic8 4:44 PM - 23 January, 2018
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serato might hit us with a surprise... serato 2.0 subscription only... lol no seriously serato No


if that happens.... Hello Rekordbox
Dj cuervo 5:17 PM - 23 January, 2018
If they open up the software option for the sound card so you can use any mixer with a compatible sound card. I will be the first to pay a subscription for that.
Mike Sinclair 5:18 PM - 23 January, 2018
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serato might hit us with a surprise... serato 2.0 subscription only... lol no seriously serato No


if that happens.... Hello Rekordbox


I wanted to like Rekordbox, but there are weird gain issues, almost always have problems deactivating a license to transfer to another machine, can't log on to their website half the time (forum) and their automix they just added completely sucks. I will stick with Serato, personally.
popnwave 5:37 PM - 23 January, 2018
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serato might hit us with a surprise... serato 2.0 subscription only... lol no seriously serato No


They only added subscription modes to be more like RB, imho. And it's cool if someone wants to try out the $10/mo all features thing before converting, but no DJ platform has done away with persistent licenses yet.
kmeex 10:35 PM - 23 January, 2018
And The while this is not The RB teams fault, Pioneer support and warranty team has horrible response Time. And this is not a new thing. I'm not The salesman here but with that kept on mind i Will never buy Pioneer stuff. 3months waiting row that id too much. Pioneer Make good products at some state but their repair and support is horrible. So even If you might Be fed up with Serato I suggest think you twice.
Dave-M 12:45 PM - 25 January, 2018
I wonder if we'll see v2.0 today, then?
mixgoonie 1:06 PM - 25 January, 2018
When is serato doing a show in the Namm program ?
Dj cuervo 1:49 PM - 25 January, 2018
Pioneer and Rane were confirm to be at NAMM today. It would be crazy if Serato was not there. They have been so quiet lately so who knows if they show.
Dj cuervo 2:15 PM - 25 January, 2018
Did a search on the NAMM.ORG site and Serato has ..Booth# 11110 and 16300. So we are going to see something today. I wish I was in Cali to see it. Maybe they will do a LIVE to present the great and powerful 2.0!!!!
mixgoonie 3:07 PM - 25 January, 2018
Why there is no livestream or something similar proposed by Serato, it is like they was scared to show the new version ;)
Rebelguy 3:20 PM - 25 January, 2018
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Have they ever done that?
Dj cuervo 3:41 PM - 25 January, 2018
www.instagram.com Rane and Serato Before NAMM

I believe they will go a Live Stream.
popnwave 3:56 PM - 25 January, 2018
Yep! Rane is going nuts with their Instagram stuff over the last 24 hours, worth checking out regularly!
djxcellerator 5:34 PM - 25 January, 2018
When does anyone think this public beta will actually be released? Does Serato at NAMM really have anything to do with this being released now?
Rebelguy 5:52 PM - 25 January, 2018
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Probably a couple of weeks from now.
Dj cuervo 5:54 PM - 25 January, 2018
Why would they need a Booth if they were not showing something today. I believe they are showing something new with Serato Video and Finally Serato DJ PRO!!!
Jmoney$ 8:32 PM - 25 January, 2018
Looks like they have owned the domain for a long time just redirects to the main serato page

Domain: seratodjpro.com

REGISTRANT CONTACT
Organization:SERATO INC LP
Creation Date: 2011-09-27T13:37:35.00Z
Jmoney$ 9:12 PM - 25 January, 2018
Rane Seventy-Two & Twelve Overview

Watchwww.youtube.com
popnwave 10:50 PM - 25 January, 2018
Awwww yisssssssss, not gonna pre order but that is my next gear purchase..
DJ Tecniq 11:15 PM - 25 January, 2018
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Really dislike how the sampler pads are right above the cue pads...😬
DJ Tecniq 11:17 PM - 25 January, 2018
I meant cue, loop, slicer etc. Must take some getting used to.
dj_soo 11:19 PM - 25 January, 2018
that's a pretty standard for most controllers - with the function buttons directly above the pads.
tbra13 11:30 PM - 25 January, 2018
DjReact33 11:43 PM - 25 January, 2018
I am praying they add some cool new features. Rekordbox 5 is looking pretty enticing right about now. Especially with all the DVS improvements.
Dj cuervo 11:43 PM - 25 January, 2018
It is first non public beta on public display.... Serato DJ pro. LOL!!! Its stable enough for public display!!
DjReact33 11:57 PM - 25 January, 2018
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DJ Tecniq 2:34 AM - 26 January, 2018
Bye Rane...you have some competition🤔 www.facebook.com
djcrap 2:48 AM - 26 January, 2018
Nope rane rules

Watchm.youtube.com


The difference between a rane 12 vs phase wireless remote
Is rane 12 = scratching at a buffer of 1ms versus scratching at a buffer of 5ms with phase remote!

Then stick drift comes in question midi versus wireless analog which is more pron to sticker drift
May note affect you but it's a huge difference to others!
djcrap 2:49 AM - 26 January, 2018
^^stick= sticker drift
DJ Marty 3:27 AM - 26 January, 2018
Heard at NAMM today that Serato DJ Pro will be released in mid-march. Bad news is the software is the issue. Today during demonstrations they had to restart
Multiple times and once they had to reinstall Serato....

Yikes. :(
AKIEM 3:41 AM - 26 January, 2018
Wonder if Rene 72 and/or 12 require SDJpro...
dj_soo 3:45 AM - 26 January, 2018
guaranteed it will.

The beta has been rock solid for me for months save a couple bugs here and there - wonder if they were running a newer alpha for the demonstration
Dj cuervo 3:58 AM - 26 January, 2018
Lets hope they release 2.0 beta before the Full Release in March.. It would suck to have loyal users wait until they work out issues with new hardware.
DJ Marty 4:03 AM - 26 January, 2018
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The beta has been rock solid for me for months save a couple bugs here and there - wonder if they were running a newer alpha for the demonstration


Might have been more related to the RANE 72 me thinks.
AKIEM 4:20 AM - 26 January, 2018
....not looking forward to that process....
DJ Tecniq 10:55 AM - 26 January, 2018
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Watchm.youtube.com


The difference between a rane 12 vs phase wireless remote
Is rane 12 = scratching at a buffer of 1ms versus scratching at a buffer of 5ms with phase remote!
Who told you it’s 5ms latency? Does that really matter though when it sounds like thisPhase just took the Rane 12 and simplified it this device will have more uses i guarantee it. #lightsoutrane -> youtu.be
Blank_Disk 11:34 AM - 26 January, 2018
s owe gotta wait even longer for features people have been asking for over the past 5 years, this is not good.
dj zaza 1:22 PM - 26 January, 2018
except that under 5 ms is already good for scratch, but because this fixation for 1ms of latency, I understand that it feels tighter, but then do not complain if you have drop audio, I think not even in competitions like the Redboll use 1 ms just to not have problems. Sometimes idiots talk in this post comparisons that are made without first having tried the product.
DJ Guayo 1:31 PM - 26 January, 2018
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Heard at NAMM today that Serato DJ Pro will be released in mid-march. Bad news is the software is the issue. Today during demonstrations they had to restart
Multiple times and once they had to reinstall Serato....

Yikes. :(


Damn. gonna be like Johnny M and be like SSL and Yosemite for another good minute.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 3:57 PM - 26 January, 2018
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guaranteed it will.

The beta has been rock solid for me for months save a couple bugs here and there - wonder if they were running a newer alpha for the demonstration


Agreed. This has been very stable for me aside from a few crashes the very first few uses.
Jmoney$ 5:06 PM - 26 January, 2018
So the RANE 72 and the midi turntables are going to be sending lots of data, similar to what a
NS7 III would be doing.

How has the NS 7 III performed? Are there known issues?
Dave-M 6:57 PM - 26 January, 2018
DJ Tecniq 7:07 PM - 26 January, 2018
And then it crashed at NAMM.😮 they should of just built it from the ground up they had plenty of years considering bug fixes haven’t been fixed for years...just stating the truth🤷🏼‍♂️
Dave-M 7:18 PM - 26 January, 2018
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And then it crashed at NAMM.😮 they should of just built it from the ground up they had plenty of years considering bug fixes haven’t been fixed for years...just stating the truth🤷🏼‍♂️


How do you know that it hasn't been redone from the ground up? Has someone from Serato told you? Do you have a link to it?
Rebelguy 10:05 PM - 26 January, 2018
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And then it crashed at NAMM.😮 they should of just built it from the ground up they had plenty of years considering bug fixes haven’t been fixed for years...just stating the truth🤷🏼‍♂️


Actually they did rebuild it from the ground up. He crashing issues is probably on Rane’s side because it has been pretty stable from what the beta testers have said.
Aptidda 10:05 PM - 26 January, 2018
check digitaldjtips.com for screen shots of Serato Pro . It now will offer offline mode.
al83 10:09 PM - 26 January, 2018
tbh i thought we'd get the final 2.0 release this week for NAMM. lets hope they're working on more last minute features to squeeze into v2.
popnwave 10:12 PM - 26 January, 2018
I doubt any new features will come in, it will be about the 64bit bones and getting that Rane stuff ready for the street date.
dj_soo 10:27 PM - 26 January, 2018
Other than offline mode, 64 bit is the big thing with 2.0 which unfortunately doesn't add any bells an whistles - definitely feels way more stable on my end.
Redi2roc 10:42 PM - 26 January, 2018
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@dj_soo

did they find a way to have a music library update/sync thing a ma bob? in this pro version?
popnwave 10:53 PM - 26 January, 2018
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@dj_soo

did they find a way to have a music library update/sync thing a ma bob? in this pro version?


Sync in what way?
Jmoney$ 11:24 PM - 26 January, 2018
if this is accurate they added a few things

scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
DjLouie Jr 12:04 AM - 27 January, 2018
So any word when is the new Serato Dj Pro Software is coming out ????
dj_soo 12:05 AM - 27 January, 2018
March is what they've been saying. Possibly a public beta soon is my guss
DjLouie Jr 12:10 AM - 27 January, 2018
thanks
Blank_Disk 10:58 AM - 28 January, 2018
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if that's accurate its looking like they finally started listening to the community.
8823430 11:09 AM - 28 January, 2018
The beta testing is still on going .
For me i think the pro is a very stable little beast.
I been testing it now in live 4 hour gigs will no problems since it was released.
DJ Fluke 613 11:55 AM - 28 January, 2018
I've been beta testing it. I have used it live since it came out. Used it on an sb2, sx2 and ns72. Running on high Sierra.

I said to myself once busy season is over I'm going to upgrade and test. Which is what i did, and to use it live, I forgot I was using a beta.
mixgoonie 12:21 PM - 28 January, 2018
Only feedbacks of Macos, what about Widnows ?
DJ Fluke 613 12:25 PM - 28 January, 2018
I haven't tested. I mainly use the mac for sdj. I do have a win 10 machine, it, but it's not a high end machine. There is a huge difference between a cheap laptop and a good laptop , even though both are i5 or i7. Macs simply skip this bottom end.

As beside the processor, dedicated video card, high ram, seperate usb bus and even a good gpu, play a big role. I believe a lot of people have issues because they simply see the min specs, and they think they are above it, but a lot more is at stake. Not to mention, windows tweaking.
8823430 1:16 PM - 28 January, 2018
I am using windows 10
With hp pavilon i3 with 8gb ram
and a windows 10 asus duo core with 8gb ram on a 10 year old machine
Both windows pc are working very well with no problems .
On a denon mc7000
mixgoonie 1:41 PM - 28 January, 2018
Wow a core 2 Duo, that is amazing because on a powerful core 2 Duo I do get stutters
Jmoney$ 10:30 PM - 31 January, 2018
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if that's accurate its looking like they finally started listening to the community.


I have a feeling that serato did not put the features in this version of the software because they were adding the features in Serato DJ pro (which makes sense, why pay the development costs twice). I just wish they would be more transparent about what they are doing and communicate with the community. The way things are communicated makes it seem like they are not listening
popnwave 10:49 PM - 31 January, 2018
Dude, they get swamped enough by the BS in these forums. I don't think they hate themselves that much to let bitchy users pick apart every detail more than they already do.

You either have faith in the product, or if it diverges from what you need/want you migrate to a platform that does what you need. People take this stuff too personal.
Aptidda 10:51 PM - 31 January, 2018
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Dude, they get swamped enough by the BS in these forums. I don't think they hate themselves that much to let bitchy users pick apart every detail more than they already do.

You either have faith in the product, or if it diverges from what you need/want you migrate to a platform that does what you need. People take this stuff too personal.


preach, quit your bitchin and go to rekordbox already you whiney children
DJ Tecniq 10:54 PM - 31 January, 2018
When bugs haven’t been fixed for years we kinda have all reason to bitch🤷🏼‍♂️
Dj cuervo 10:55 PM - 31 January, 2018
Features will come once the software is fully 64 bit. I work for a Visual C++ application and some things are just not possible performance wise in 32- bit apps. We ran into a ton of out of memory errors. I have a lot of respect for what the Serato team has done so far. I switched to the QA team. I'm done with coding.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 11:25 PM - 31 January, 2018
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Dude, they get swamped enough by the BS in these forums. I don't think they hate themselves that much to let bitchy users pick apart every detail more than they already do.

You either have faith in the product, or if it diverges from what you need/want you migrate to a platform that does what you need. People take this stuff too personal.


I swear the way some people act it's like the software is terrible & doesn't work at all.
DjSyndic8 3:16 AM - 1 February, 2018
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Dude, they get swamped enough by the BS in these forums. I don't think they hate themselves that much to let bitchy users pick apart every detail more than they already do.

You either have faith in the product, or if it diverges from what you need/want you migrate to a platform that does what you need. People take this stuff too personal.


preach, quit your bitchin and go to rekordbox already you whiney children


with the release of Pioneers new controller with cdj platters I am so thinking of buying it and start learning how to use rekordbox
dj_soo 3:29 AM - 1 February, 2018
For the price vs featureset, it looks like a great deal.

I've heard both good and bad things about rekordbox dj with some people experience no problems and others having a bunch of issues. The big worry is that the rate they are pushing out new features, there's a good chance it leads to more bugs. That said, being in charge of the entire ecosystem of all the hardware, software, and firmware gives them a huge advantage in optimization testing - much like Macs tend to be a little more stable since they are in charge of every piece down the chain.

Of course, the big advantage is a persistent library that allows you to manage all your tracks in one software and being able to export to USB to run CDJs without having to reset cues or playlists.

I'm anticipating Serato having to come out with something big to compete soon and not just new gear - they need some unique and indispensable feature to get back some anticipation and desirability for their software. With Rekordbox, Pioneer seems content with bundling it with their hardware at no extra cost which they can because they are using the software to drive hardware sales rather than having to get their cut like Serato.
DjSyndic8 3:42 AM - 1 February, 2018
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For the price vs featureset, it looks like a great deal.

I've heard both good and bad things about rekordbox dj with some people experience no problems and others having a bunch of issues. The big worry is that the rate they are pushing out new features, there's a good chance it leads to more bugs. That said, being in charge of the entire ecosystem of all the hardware, software, and firmware gives them a huge advantage in optimization testing - much like Macs tend to be a little more stable since they are in charge of every piece down the chain.

Of course, the big advantage is a persistent library that allows you to manage all your tracks in one software and being able to export to USB to run CDJs without having to reset cues or playlists.

I'm anticipating Serato having to come out with something big to compete soon and not just new gear - they need some unique and indispensable feature to get back some anticipation and desirability for their software. With Rekordbox, Pioneer seems content with bundling it with their hardware at no extra cost which they can because they are using the software to drive hardware sales rather than having to get their cut like Serato.


I just feel serato is kind of in the position like the taxi industry Uber comes along and shakes the industry up and serato falls behind, for so long Serato had the mindset that no one will ever compete with them in the dj software industry, but oh how they were wrong, u got a big power house like Pioneer until recently was purely a hardware company now they have software as well now that just makes them even more powerful in the dj game... meanwhile serato is just a software company... Pioneer caught Serato sleeping and in my mind Pioneer is leading the game for sure give it 5 years and Rekordbox will be the standard dj software also Pioneer have learnt a lot about the dj software game thanks to serato mistakes
dj_soo 3:53 AM - 1 February, 2018
it's funny because NI was the first to do it and become a hardware/software company and for whatever reason, it seems like they've more or less abandoned or at least shelved Traktor for the time being.

I still think that both InMusic and pioneer tried to make a play at Serato a couple years back and they refused which lead to Rekordbox DJ and to a lesser extent Engine Prime. If InMusic ever decides to just go all in and make a laptop version of Prime (and it's successful), Serato could be in real trouble.

As is, Serato has become the "boring" option. The one with less bells and whistles, and also less convenience since pioneer gear in booths are so ubiquitous.

It's also become the most expensive option which doesn't help with Rekordbox bundling the software with their gear at no cost and traktor always being a bit cheaper in price.
DjSyndic8 3:58 AM - 1 February, 2018
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it's funny because NI was the first to do it and become a hardware/software company and for whatever reason, it seems like they've more or less abandoned or at least shelved Traktor for the time being.

I still think that both InMusic and pioneer tried to make a play at Serato a couple years back and they refused which lead to Rekordbox DJ and to a lesser extent Engine Prime. If InMusic ever decides to just go all in and make a laptop version of Prime (and it's successful), Serato could be in real trouble.

As is, Serato has become the "boring" option. The one with less bells and whistles, and also less convenience since pioneer gear in booths are so ubiquitous.

It's also become the most expensive option which doesn't help with Rekordbox bundling the software with their gear at no cost and traktor always being a bit cheaper in price.


+1
Aptidda 5:09 AM - 1 February, 2018
Honestly who cares? Let's get all philosophical about DJ software and really keep discussing and go back and forth with this nonsense.
Wavespeech 9:35 AM - 1 February, 2018
I don't know what folks want SDJ to be;

A production app with nothing more required than pad mashing and knob twiddling?
An auto-mixing, no need to do anything 'DJ' app?
A stripped down pure digital music player and manipulator via decks or a controller?

If I was Serato, I'd be looking at embedding SDJ and a stripped down OS into a small Pi sized box that replaces the expensive* laptop. Plug in your USB of tunes and your display(s) of choice and you're good to go. Velcro it to the back of any mixer or controller.

And, license that box'o'Serato to manufacturers for built in DJ line IoT.

*,bug riddled, master of many things, user fuckupable, root of most complaints,
Clubber1970 10:00 AM - 1 February, 2018
That was my idea for years now. I don't know really why no software vendor do such dedicated small "black boxes" with their software running on it.
No more OS compatibility issues, no develepment and bug fixing for several kind of operating systems and hardware enviroments.
All we or I want is a rock solid stable system.
Features and fancy on the fly production things are secondary !
dj_soo 10:23 AM - 1 February, 2018
problem with that is how do you find tracks? how do you control the software? You're still going to need a screen and potentially a keyboard and mouse/pad to navigate, load, and do all the things you need to do to DJ digitally.
Wavespeech 10:29 AM - 1 February, 2018
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Plug in your USB of tunes and your display(s) of choice and you're good to go.


Black box has a Displayport output, and a USB connection for your HDD/Stick, mouse etc.
If your chosen controller doesn't allow you to navigate your library there are many options; a touchscreen display, a standard KB and Mouse, a small USB trackpad like you have on a laptop; you could probably use this as some sort of Koaspad too.

I think the market for computer programs is on it's way out, the Internet of Things will see everything embedded to perform the function they are designed for, plugging something into a separate PC will just be weird in a few years.
dj_soo 10:44 AM - 1 February, 2018
I honestly don't see that - if anything, the shift will go from laptops to more standalone gear and possibly phone/tablet setups as robust as laptops.
Wavespeech 11:04 AM - 1 February, 2018
The standalone gear being the integrated and embedded SDJ, into the actual device, if I was Serato again, I'd licence this installation.

The external black box, just to add to any controller like we have now, but not integrated.
Allowing the user to upgrade controller, or use legacy decks and mixer.

You're probably right that it won't go that way but if it were my company I'd be looking at possibilities.

The DJ market it now niche, producer performer market heavily and cheaply catered for. All music on demand at any time, throw in a perfect auto-mix algorithm, seems to be the most attractive to end users/consumers right now.

Where would you, or anyone see SDJ going as a product?
Not 'like to see' but the next after 2.0 logical release of SDJP.

I wonder if with Sampler, PnT etc. will SDJP become 'SDJProducer', or maybe SDJLite will become 'SDJ for Decks' without any production/performance waft on top.

Judging by the forum users we all want different things from the software, if it were your company WWYD?
Clubber1970 11:17 AM - 1 February, 2018
The only problem i'd see in those integrated black boxes are the support for all the drivers of the several controllers and mixers. Now there are only Windows or Mac drivers available. If this black box is based on a linux system i doubt there will be anyone who will write drivers for it.
Wavespeech 11:43 AM - 1 February, 2018
It could be a problem, but hey we're developing a new product here :)

If box released tomorrow, it could be a stripped down Windows IoT OS, with all drivers available now integrated. Plug in any controller now available.

New device comes to market, is it Serato Integrated? then it would have the drivers built in.
Is it Serato controller compliant? Then a firmware update to your black box would be needed.

But, as we're on the case here, can the black box not use a standard HID I/O that the hardware can talk to, controller wise, and Microsoft WASAPI to receive the audio data from the black box to it's audio renderer in a standard format.

Where are the software devs when you need 'em, calling all Devs, come in Devs.

I don't know a lot about drivers and coding, could we not make the controller manufacturers send HID standard to our black box and receive WASAPI data back for their soundcard to render, hell it's the least they can do if the want to be SDJP certified. :)

Right get and make it, I'm designing a flight case, ooh it has 3 14" screens in the lid, you should see the Waveforms on the outer 2, massive, it's like watching Milkdrop on Winamp, mesmerising....


We say this, they've thought it and made it, consumers are around 7 years behind R&D of manuafcturers.
dj_soo 11:44 AM - 1 February, 2018
Honestly, I'm happy with Serato. I'm a DJ when I DJ and I leave the production to the studio.

The main things I'd like to see are mainly stability and UI and ease-of-life improvements. Things like improved library organization, improved sound quality, improve performance, and stuff like bringing back SSL effect macros, The Bridge (mainly for mixtape) and the like.
So Fresh 12:15 PM - 1 February, 2018
MIXTAPE!!!!!!
Wavespeech 12:31 PM - 1 February, 2018
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MIXTAPE!!!!!!


Never tried it, is this a Serato dev doing something on the sly, testing the water for the future, Protools mastering for Generation AppForThat:

Mixtape + Social Media analytics =

"Hey Mixtape: I choose track A and Track B, mixtape algorithm scans all of those Soundcloud and Facebook DJ sets, finds DJ XYZ mixed same track A and Track B and received a lot o likes and Mixtape uses DJ XYZ's transition and cue points to auto mix A + B.

DJ will be selling their transitions library to the damn cloud for use in Mixtape Auto.

FX Library
Sample Banks
Transitions Collection
DJ Names
Logos professionally done with hooky copies of Photoshop
and more *
"Buy now from Ringtones Ringtones Ringtones, the No'1 choice for the modern DJ"

*get ya actual tunes from Spotify.
dj_soo 12:34 PM - 1 February, 2018
Mixtape was a feature in the Bridge for Scratchlive that allowed you to record as an ableton file and - if you were using a 57 - all your fader and eq changes would get recorded as midi automation instead of audio changes allowing for way more flexibility in editing studio mixes.
Wavespeech 12:43 PM - 1 February, 2018
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Mixtape was a feature in the Bridge for Scratchlive that allowed you to record as an ableton file and - if you were using a 57 - all your fader and eq changes would get recorded as midi automation instead of audio changes allowing for way more flexibility in editing studio mixes.


Ahh, thanks for the info.

I thought it was this one:
www.atomicdroplet.com

So we collect the data output stream from our controller knobs n decks and export it in another format such as midi, yeah our black box could do that.
We can store the Automation track as a file on your USB too so you can load and replay your set semi-live and jump in or change knobs n deck manipulation at any time, enable slip mode and we'll drop back onto your automation track once you're done twiddling.

"Automation tracks, 2 tune, 3 tune, 15 mins, whole set transitions and FX, from the world top DJs, now available from Ringtones Ringtones Ringtones, the No'1 choice for the modern DJ".
Chino 1:10 PM - 1 February, 2018
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If I was Serato, I'd be looking at embedding SDJ and a stripped down OS into a small Pi sized box that replaces the expensive* laptop.


+1
Jmoney$ 6:04 PM - 1 February, 2018
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If I was Serato, I'd be looking at embedding SDJ and a stripped down OS into a small Pi sized box that replaces the expensive* laptop.


+1


I like the idea and it would be a cool product. I just don't think they would be able to deliver it a a price point that people would buy. Im guessing most people would not spend more than 400 and at that price they would not make any profit.
skinnyguy 9:36 PM - 4 February, 2018
Isn't that what Thud Rumble is doing? and it got pushed back a bit because instead of using windows, they're now developing their own proprietary OS for it.

pros and cons of developing a proprietary os. pro - computer not necessary (windows or mac). con - longer development.
Hanginon 10:05 PM - 4 February, 2018
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Isn't that what Thud Rumble is doing? and it got pushed back a bit because instead of using windows, they're now developing their own proprietary OS for it.

pros and cons of developing a proprietary os. pro - computer not necessary (windows or mac). con - longer development.

When Pulselocker was shut down, it generated so many posts here, in such a short period of time, you would have thought someone's mother died. IMHO, the chance of any "black box" using proprietary software that precludes future streaming apps is a non-starter...and by the time it was modified to include them, you'd be right back where you started - a PC/Mac laptop.
Clubber1970 11:26 PM - 4 February, 2018
Why? Each Sonos speaker has a streaming client onboard. And they are not running any Windows or Mac OS. There are a lot of possibilities. It‘s all a matter of the fantasy of the developers.
dj_soo 1:31 AM - 5 February, 2018
I still think Rane/InMusic is going to develop a 72-like mixer with the mc5000 processor embedded which will allow for standalone use and read the midi signals from the Twelves.
fenderisc 11:06 PM - 5 February, 2018
Just a stupid question...will it be a free update...??
dj_soo 11:19 PM - 5 February, 2018
yes
Mr. Goodkat 8:45 PM - 6 February, 2018
at this point, i'm not sure what they could add other than addressing issues that are already there, guess there has to be a 64 bit update though
Despo 11:04 PM - 6 February, 2018
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at this point, i'm not sure what they could add other than addressing issues that are already there, guess there has to be a 64 bit update though


they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4
Blank_Disk 11:22 PM - 6 February, 2018
I'm wondering when the new addons come out, serato library, serato proper sampler hehe
Dave-M 2:23 PM - 7 February, 2018
Still no sign of this yet? Not even a public beta?
mixgoonie 2:44 PM - 7 February, 2018
no :(
GusGomez 6:15 PM - 7 February, 2018
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at this point, i'm not sure what they could add other than addressing issues that are already there, guess there has to be a 64 bit update though


they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4


These are all easy implementations I don't understand why they're not in there already.
Aptidda 6:24 PM - 7 February, 2018
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at this point, i'm not sure what they could add other than addressing issues that are already there, guess there has to be a 64 bit update though


they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4


These are all easy implementations I don't understand why they're not in there already.


then why don't you start writing the code for Serato on a voluntary basis?
GusGomez 6:42 PM - 7 February, 2018
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at this point, i'm not sure what they could add other than addressing issues that are already there, guess there has to be a 64 bit update though


they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4


These are all easy implementations I don't understand why they're not in there already.


then why don't you start writing the code for Serato on a voluntary basis?


Why would I write codes for anyone on a voluntary basis, so they could make money while I get nothing back? Sounds like you would have to be an idiot to suggest or do that for free.
mixgoonie 6:45 PM - 7 February, 2018
It is not an Open-Source software guys ;)
GusGomez 6:48 PM - 7 February, 2018
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It is not an Open-Source software guys ;)

+10000
Aptidda 7:00 PM - 7 February, 2018
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It is not an Open-Source software guys ;)

+10000


Well then Gus, sounds like you just have to sit back and wait like a good boy. And continue to rant and BS about things you would "Like". Serato doesn't give a damn about your input, opinion, or "desires" for the software.

Deal with it.
GusGomez 7:11 PM - 7 February, 2018
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It is not an Open-Source software guys ;)

+10000


Well then Gus, sounds like you just have to sit back and wait like a good boy. And continue to rant and BS about things you would "Like". Serato doesn't give a damn about your input, opinion, or "desires" for the software.

Deal with it.


Listen little kid ain't nobody ranting I stated a fact these are easy fixes....secondly WTF are you to do know what Serato cares or doesn't care about ...Third get your virgin behind out of the house and stop playing with a little puppet doll be a good little boy and shut up when grown men speak, have a nice day tell your mom upstairs I'll be late for dinner.
popnwave 7:30 PM - 7 February, 2018
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Listen little kid ain't nobody ranting I stated a fact these are easy fixes....secondly WTF are you to do know what Serato cares or doesn't care about ...Third get your virgin behind out of the house and stop playing with a little puppet doll be a good little boy and shut up when grown men speak, have a nice day tell your mom upstairs I'll be late for dinner.


Kinda funny when people get called out, properly, and they revert to comments like this.
GusGomez 7:32 PM - 7 February, 2018
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Listen little kid ain't nobody ranting I stated a fact these are easy fixes....secondly WTF are you to do know what Serato cares or doesn't care about ...Third get your virgin behind out of the house and stop playing with a little puppet doll be a good little boy and shut up when grown men speak, have a nice day tell your mom upstairs I'll be late for dinner.


Kinda funny when people get called out, properly, and they revert to comments like this.

What exactly did I get called out for properly? Please enlighten me?
Aptidda 7:48 PM - 7 February, 2018
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Listen little kid ain't nobody ranting I stated a fact these are easy fixes....secondly WTF are you to do know what Serato cares or doesn't care about ...Third get your virgin behind out of the house and stop playing with a little puppet doll be a good little boy and shut up when grown men speak, have a nice day tell your mom upstairs I'll be late for dinner.


Kinda funny when people get called out, properly, and they revert to comments like this.


right? what a D Bag Gus is eh?
Mr. Goodkat 8:17 PM - 7 February, 2018
hes just mad, you already won serato boards biggest dbag last week
Logisticalstyles 8:20 PM - 7 February, 2018
lol
Hanginon 9:00 PM - 7 February, 2018
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Serato doesn't give a damn about your input, opinion, or "desires" for the software.

That right there is the problem. The "Serato Software Feature Suggestions" sub-forum has 493 pages x 20 posts per page x a lot of messages per post - and an acceptance rate so low it can't be measured. Basically, pablum for the masses.
Despo 9:23 PM - 7 February, 2018
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they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4


well, only SOME of these are easy add.

-playcount seems pretty easy to add. It's just a number that increases by 1 everytime a track gets played.
-midi mapping is a hard one I believe
-adding club kit mixers is the easiest off them all. It literally takes them 5 minutes to add any mixer with a usb soundcard to serato. Why? Because I can DVS enable any usb soundcard for traktor using a hex editor even if it's not a traktor mixer. Rekordbox can use any soundcard aswell and they run completely stable. There is nothing special about a soundcard, any soundcard can accept a dvs signal as long as it has 2 ins and 2 outs.
-send return for sl3-4 was already in serato but they removed it. It was called thru-mode fx.
-automix and silent cue seem like they take more work
Aptidda 9:37 PM - 7 February, 2018
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hes just mad, you already won serato boards biggest dbag last week


he's coming for my title! DJ Carney in the House! Holla at me for the kids carnivals yall.
dj_soo 9:43 PM - 7 February, 2018
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-send return for sl3-4 was already in serato but they removed it. It was called thru-mode fx.


when was this? what version?
AKIEM 10:11 PM - 7 February, 2018
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they could add:
-playcount
-silent cue feature
-automix aka serato pyro(i know..)
-PROPER MIDI MAPPING LIKE IN TRAKTOR WITH MODIFIERS
-more club kit mixers like the DJM750 and 750mk2
-send return post fader effects for external mixers with rane sl3-4


well, only SOME of these are easy add.

-playcount seems pretty easy to add. It's just a number that increases by 1 everytime a track gets played.
-midi mapping is a hard one I believe
-adding club kit mixers is the easiest off them all. It literally takes them 5 minutes to add any mixer with a usb soundcard to serato. Why? Because I can DVS enable any usb soundcard for traktor using a hex editor even if it's not a traktor mixer. Rekordbox can use any soundcard aswell and they run completely stable. There is nothing special about a soundcard, any soundcard can accept a dvs signal as long as it has 2 ins and 2 outs.
-send return for sl3-4 was already in serato but they removed it. It was called thru-mode fx.
-automix and silent cue seem like they take more work


- playcount could be a problem if the file is updated with ever play. otherwise the counts would need a separate memory then update some other way.

- silent cue probably suggested well over a decade ago would need more two buttons.

- automix probably pretty easy. trigger cues near the end of song and automated fader. since we are getting the internal mix bs, maybe automix is coming too.(all you suckers will get your dreams fulfilled)
djdannyd 10:25 PM - 7 February, 2018
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-send return for sl3-4 was already in serato but they removed it. It was called thru-mode fx.


when was this? what version?

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-send return for sl3-4 was already in serato but they removed it. It was called thru-mode fx.


when was this? what version?


Perhaps this is what he's thinking of: serato.com
Dj cuervo 12:48 AM - 8 February, 2018
Do DJ really need AUTO-MIX???( no hate just a question). If you need to do something put on a Mix. I agree with the Sound card argument. Serato Devs are handicap by a 32 bit application. Once the 64 bit platform is completed this will open up a lot of new features.
AKIEM 12:51 AM - 8 February, 2018
Do actual 'DJs' need automix?
No, people pretending to DJ need automix
Dj cuervo 12:58 AM - 8 February, 2018
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Do actual 'DJs' need automix?
No, people pretending to DJ need automix



DJing is a hustle to some folks.. I can't hate on that... Get your money!!!
AKIEM 1:31 AM - 8 February, 2018
you mean people fake dj for money,
yeah, I can hate on that
DjSyndic8 6:04 AM - 8 February, 2018
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Still no sign of this yet? Not even a public beta?


similar to are we there yet lol
Blank_Disk 7:27 AM - 8 February, 2018
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Do actual 'DJs' need automix?
No, people pretending to DJ need automix



DJing is a hustle to some folks.. I can't hate on that... Get your money!!!


I know of a few that use it but only when the giant white telephone calls.
BoogieMan34950 3:17 PM - 8 February, 2018
Auto Mix is a DJ tool & my humble opinion is, there is a time & place for any tool.
AKIEM 4:06 PM - 8 February, 2018
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Auto Mix is a DJ tool & my humble opinion is, there is a time & place for any tool.


how is it a tool if it's doing your job?

that's like the factory worker saying yes, automated machines are just 'tools' let's get them in here. then he shows up to work and it's automated and he stands there doing nothing and gets handed a pink slip.

if it's automatic, it's litterely doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement.
BoogieMan34950 4:31 PM - 8 February, 2018
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Auto Mix is a DJ tool & my humble opinion is, there is a time & place for any tool.


how is it a tool if it's doing your job?

that's like the factory worker saying yes, automated machines are just 'tools' let's get them in here. then he shows up to work and it's automated and he stands there doing nothing and gets handed a pink slip.

if it's automatic, it's litterely doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement.

Have you ever had to use the restroom with no one to help you?
Dj cuervo 4:41 PM - 8 February, 2018
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Auto Mix is a DJ tool & my humble opinion is, there is a time & place for any tool.


how is it a tool if it's doing your job?

that's like the factory worker saying yes, automated machines are just 'tools' let's get them in here. then he shows up to work and it's automated and he stands there doing nothing and gets handed a pink slip.

if it's automatic, it's litterely doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement.

Have you ever had to use the restroom with no one to help you?



All DJ should have at less one emergency mix. I have it on my phone in critical machine or hardware issues. I have a range of lounge music to full blown party mode music mixes. I'm crazy prepared and paranoid went it comes to my gigs but that is me.
Hanginon 4:41 PM - 8 February, 2018
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if it's automatic, it's literally doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement

The same tired, worn out argument. Like Sync - put it in the software, use it or not.

I corrected "litterely" for you using my automatic spell checker.
popnwave 4:56 PM - 8 February, 2018
I am not going to lie..

I threw 3 similar BPM videos in RB's automix folder (122-125bpm) to see how it did, and I was impressed. I would have have some WAY less panicked piss breaks while video DJ'ing over the years had this been around 10 years ago.

Otherwise it was something like toss Blue Monday on during an 80s night and know I had 7+ min to run off and wait in line to leak.

Would I do a night like that? Nope, that's not fun at all.
BoogieMan34950 4:56 PM - 8 February, 2018
People were DJ way before this automation without telling my age my first DJ setup was a Roland mixer, 2 78rpm turntables, mono amps & Teac Reel to Reel. I recorded music on the Reel To Reel so when I needed a break I would play the Reel that was my auto DJ. The DJ back then were saying what you are saying now. I can't believe I DJ with 45 & Cassette tapes.
popnwave 4:58 PM - 8 February, 2018
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People were DJ way before this automation without telling my age my first DJ setup was a Roland mixer, 2 78rpm turntables, mono amps & Teac Reel to Reel. I recorded music on the Reel To Reel so when I needed a break I would play the Reel that was my auto DJ. The DJ back then were saying what you are saying now. I can't believe I DJ with 45 & Cassette tapes.


That's how I felt when I was video DJing with Umatic/VHS tapes in the 90s. Hell, laserdiscs were a blessing simply because you could cue to a track vs fastfowarding, lol.
BoogieMan34950 5:04 PM - 8 February, 2018
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People were DJ way before this automation without telling my age my first DJ setup was a Roland mixer, 2 78rpm turntables, mono amps & Teac Reel to Reel. I recorded music on the Reel To Reel so when I needed a break I would play the Reel that was my auto DJ. The DJ back then were saying what you are saying now. I can't believe I DJ with 45 & Cassette tapes.


That's how I felt when I was video DJing with Umatic/VHS tapes in the 90s. Hell, laserdiscs were a blessing simply because you could cue to a track vs fastfowarding, lol.

Yes I remember them too looking for those lines to drop the needle.
AKIEM 5:25 PM - 8 February, 2018
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Auto Mix is a DJ tool & my humble opinion is, there is a time & place for any tool.


how is it a tool if it's doing your job?

that's like the factory worker saying yes, automated machines are just 'tools' let's get them in here. then he shows up to work and it's automated and he stands there doing nothing and gets handed a pink slip.

if it's automatic, it's litterely doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement.

Have you ever had to use the restroom with no one to help you?


almost. I told your moms her services where no longer needed, but she said she would wipe my butt for free.
AKIEM 5:25 PM - 8 February, 2018
oh wait, that's not what you meant
Dj cuervo 6:40 PM - 8 February, 2018
It is just not high on the list for serato in my op. I would prob never use it since I don't use sync. If you do you are not less of a DJ. 90% of djing is song selection.
CMOS 7:06 PM - 8 February, 2018
Serato DJ Pro is ok i guess, what im really waiting for is a 128bit application, then they will really unleash the power of the program.
Mr. Goodkat 7:21 PM - 8 February, 2018
someone said it, but why use automix when you can just make short mixes or actual 1-2-3 hour mixes, with the 8 cue points supplied by SDJ.

implementing automix in SDJ is just another setup for disappointment
Jmoney$ 10:26 PM - 8 February, 2018
Automix seems to be a favorite request of the wedding dj s most of the club/bar djs dont care or just put on a long song or 3 song minimix
popnwave 11:18 PM - 8 February, 2018
Personally, pre made mixes have never fit my style. Even with the automix option, it's way more convenient to be able to do that on the fly than have something premixed that might not age well, especially if you're spinning current music.
popnwave 11:18 PM - 8 February, 2018
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Serato DJ Pro is ok i guess, what im really waiting for is a 128bit application, then they will really unleash the power of the program.


Only once SDJ is running on quantum platforms will we get the true power of what it has to offer.
J.J. 12:34 AM - 9 February, 2018
I just need a way to play the next song and do a fade in/out. Cocktail, Dinner or Bathroom breaks. I love to interact with the crowd, MC and take requests before a reception starts.

I currently use iTunes for this 1 feature which takes up another line input. I dislike iTunes and it takes up precious resources.
Mr. Goodkat 1:25 AM - 9 February, 2018
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Personally, pre made mixes have never fit my style. Even with the automix option, it's way more convenient to be able to do that on the fly than have something premixed that might not age well, especially if you're spinning current music.


i make mixes about every 2-3 months in ableton, takes about an hr
AKIEM 2:01 AM - 9 February, 2018
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if it's automatic, it's literally doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement

The same tired, worn out argument. Like Sync - put it in the software, use it or not.

I corrected "litterely" for you using my automatic spell checker.

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if it's automatic, it's literally doing the job for you. it's not a tool, it's a replacement

The same tired, worn out argument. Like Sync - put it in the software, use it or not.

I corrected "litterely" for you using my automatic spell checker.


thanks for correcting that for me. I'm sure my auto correct chose the wrong word.

But yes it's the same tired worn out argument you are making. dudes have been complaining about they don't have a chance to piss for over a decade. in they time they should have learned or heard about making sure you go to the toilet before you start any type of job. its also illegal for workers not be provided a piss break.

here's another tip: record a quick mix before you start with up to date records. keep them handy, you will have plenty selections.
DJ Fluke 613 3:13 AM - 9 February, 2018
Yo the fuck is wrong with most of you ? Some need the automix function for simply fade in fade out during dinner? I sometimes at dinner at weddings sit on a table and would love this option. I currently use vdj with a line options simply for this.

For all of you who wanna step and call me a fake dj, I'll call you out on a Facebook live battle. Just let me know.

Generic fucks. Get over it, just because a fade in option exists, dosent mean we fake. Your just as fake for using dvs, hot key shortcuts,dicers, s9's and Rane mixers.

Go buy double vinly copies and keep proving to your bedroom why your so "legit".
DJ Tecniq 3:24 AM - 9 February, 2018
I don’t understand the whole fade/auto mix for weddings. It’s a wedding i just put it on auto play and the songs play the song list for dinner. So what if there’s a pause in the music ppl will be socializing anyways 🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Fluke 613 3:56 AM - 9 February, 2018
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I don’t understand the whole fade/auto mix for weddings. It’s a wedding i just put it on auto play and the songs play the song list for dinner. So what if there’s a pause in the music ppl will be socializing anyways 🤷🏼‍♂️


K.
Mr. Goodkat 5:11 AM - 9 February, 2018
or use itunes
DjSyndic8 10:10 AM - 9 February, 2018
so automix is songs fading over each other right

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I don’t understand the whole fade/auto mix for weddings. It’s a wedding i just put it on auto play and the songs play the song list for dinner. So what if there’s a pause in the music ppl will be socializing anyways 🤷🏼‍♂️


yer thats what I do when dinner is served at wedding put it on auto play and go and eat

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Yo the fuck is wrong with most of you ? Some need the automix function for simply fade in fade out during dinner? I sometimes at dinner at weddings sit on a table and would love this option. I currently use vdj with a line options simply for this.

For all of you who wanna step and call me a fake dj, I'll call you out on a Facebook live battle. Just let me know.

Generic fucks. Get over it, just because a fade in option exists, dosent mean we fake. Your just as fake for using dvs, hot key shortcuts,dicers, s9's and Rane mixers.

Go buy double vinly copies and keep proving to your bedroom why your so "legit".



u OK bro take a deep breath :)
AKIEM 10:18 AM - 9 February, 2018
lol @ how dudes get upset over this topic
DJ Fluke 613 10:30 AM - 9 February, 2018
LOLOL, you think I'm talking this personal ? Nah man. Everytime someone mentions a feature they want, you have people telling them why it's not needed, or you have a comment as to why it's not relevant. That doesn't go for just automix, if someone says I wish they would add a feature they does ______________. You always have some nobody that puts them down and states their irrelevant opinion, why is that?

Wedding and mobile DJs want this feature for our own benefit, as in some cases ya it's required. It's not upto you to decide what we need. Besides 64 bit support, this is a big feature that has been asked for years. And it seems to get no support, as some of these so called die hard DJs always state their opinion. A fade in fade out option does not do your job. Vdjs automix has the full potential to take over your job, if you sit down and set it up accordingly

I'm out.
Hanginon 1:22 PM - 9 February, 2018
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Everytime someone mentions a feature they want, you have people telling them why it's not needed, or you have a comment as to why it's not relevant. That doesn't go for just automix, if someone says I wish they would add a feature they does ______________. You always have some nobody that puts them down and states their irrelevant opinion, why is that?

+1000

Look at the reactions I get when asking for a dedicated pre-listen feature...the ability to audibly scan your library without having to load the song onto a deck or a sampler. All other DJ software has it.

A good argument can be made that there are too many other things with Serato DJ that need to be fixed first - but that's Serato's problem. Get some people that can program themselves out of a wet paper bag.
Despo 2:29 PM - 9 February, 2018
Automix is coming anyway whether you like it or not just like sync did. Rekordbox already has automix in the software so you know it's coming.

And I can finally catch a piss break without worrying. A mixtape doesn't cut it because the mix might play songs you've already played that evening.
Blank_Disk 4:05 PM - 9 February, 2018
considering a shift to rekordbox as it seems serato are not letting us know what the score is with 2.0, like what's been added etc.if they added any of the features we all have asked for, I'm not picking at them its just they don't interact with the community and that's all that bothers me, no information on the sampler(overcomplicated playback) deck, no information on the library side either, considering its a supposed world leading software it seems not to evolve very much at all.
Aptidda 4:06 PM - 9 February, 2018
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lol @ how dudes get upset over this topic


+1
Hanginon 4:24 PM - 9 February, 2018
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it seems serato are not letting us know what the score is with 2.0, like what's been added etc.if they added any of the features we all have asked for, I'm not picking at them its just they don't interact with the community and that's all that bothers me, no information on the sampler(overcomplicated playback) deck, no information on the library side either, considering its a supposed world leading software it seems not to evolve very much at all.

In all fairness to Serato, IMHO their competition isn't any better at this. I think this industry likes to keep everything "close to the chest", like It's 1998...only problem is it's 2018.
Dj cuervo 4:31 PM - 9 February, 2018
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Right!!!


thorissr 7:05 PM - 9 February, 2018
Actually I’m still In the Serato camp gigging regurlarly with my SZ2, however, I picke up the RZX last week and it’s a rekordbox DJ only controller. So far 5.1 has been rock solid with not one hiccup over the past week. I’m really digging RB DJ so far. Pioneer has come a long way since I demoed it back on 4.0!
AKIEM 7:17 PM - 9 February, 2018
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LOLOL, you think I'm talking this personal ? Nah man. Everytime someone mentions a feature they want, you have people telling them why it's not needed, or you have a comment as to why it's not relevant. That doesn't go for just automix, if someone says I wish they would add a feature they does ______________. You always have some nobody that puts them down and states their irrelevant opinion, why is that?

Wedding and mobile DJs want this feature for our own benefit, as in some cases ya it's required. It's not upto you to decide what we need. Besides 64 bit support, this is a big feature that has been asked for years. And it seems to get no support, as some of these so called die hard DJs always state their opinion. A fade in fade out option does not do your job. Vdjs automix has the full potential to take over your job, if you sit down and set it up accordingly

I'm out.


sounds like ur taking it Hella personal.

why do people post their opinion about what features should not be added? because that's their opinion on the feature, you think people should come here and say yes to every dumb ass feature request?

I didn't say it was up to me whats added, I just have my opinion on the matter like everyone else. wow.

a DJ's job is litarely (boom spelled it) to play one song after the other at least. if the computer is doing that, then the computer is DJing.

and for real, I don't think none of you dudes is actually being honest about only needing it for emergency shit breaks. tell the truth. you want to set it on automix all dinner long so you can hide behind the decks eating a nasty plate of chicken or beef. you know if you are messing around actually DJing a server might pick your plate up and walk away. Or you don't get the chance to stand in the buffet line like the photographer did. and you know damn well you are going to throw it on during the dance toward the end of the night, see how it does... then just all the time if it works.... be honest
DjSyndic8 7:24 PM - 9 February, 2018
if Rekordbox comes out with Spotify integration I'm switching....Im gonna buy the DDJ 1000 New controller with CDJ Jog-wheels and Im never looking back, I cant believe how fast Rekordbox has developed in such a short period, and they have lighting control built into the software
AKIEM 7:40 PM - 9 February, 2018
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if Rekordbox comes out with Spotify integration I'm switching....Im gonna buy the DDJ 1000 New controller with CDJ Jog-wheels and Im never looking back, I cant believe how fast Rekordbox has developed in such a short period, and they have lighting control built into the software


that's why I don't think Serato should have ever tried to compete feature for feature. Stability first, then work flow. Seems to me that if they get the work flow wrong they never go back and fix because they are worried about the next feature. jmo
popnwave 7:46 PM - 9 February, 2018
Wonder how much old code can be carved now that crap like Pulselocker is gone?
Dj cuervo 11:24 PM - 9 February, 2018
Watchwww.youtube.com.... Listen to DJ JAZZY JEFF EXPLAIN SYNC And Technology

Rocking the Party is only thing that matter!!!!
Blank_Disk 11:26 PM - 9 February, 2018
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lol @ how dudes get upset over this topic


+1


well your obviously a little dim
DJ Fluke 613 11:56 PM - 9 February, 2018
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LOLOL, you think I'm talking this personal ? Nah man. Everytime someone mentions a feature they want, you have people telling them why it's not needed, or you have a comment as to why it's not relevant. That doesn't go for just automix, if someone says I wish they would add a feature they does ______________. You always have some nobody that puts them down and states their irrelevant opinion, why is that?

Wedding and mobile DJs want this feature for our own benefit, as in some cases ya it's required. It's not upto you to decide what we need. Besides 64 bit support, this is a big feature that has been asked for years. And it seems to get no support, as some of these so called die hard DJs always state their opinion. A fade in fade out option does not do your job. Vdjs automix has the full potential to take over your job, if you sit down and set it up accordingly

I'm out.


sounds like ur taking it Hella personal.

why do people post their opinion about what features should not be added? because that's their opinion on the feature, you think people should come here and say yes to every dumb ass feature request?

I didn't say it was up to me whats added, I just have my opinion on the matter like everyone else. wow.

a DJ's job is litarely (boom spelled it) to play one song after the other at least. if the computer is doing that, then the computer is DJing.

and for real, I don't think none of you dudes is actually being honest about only needing it for emergency shit breaks. tell the truth. you want to set it on automix all dinner long so you can hide behind the decks eating a nasty plate of chicken or beef. you know if you are messing around actually DJing a server might pick your plate up and walk away. Or you don't get the chance to stand in the buffet line like the photographer did. and you know damn well you are going to throw it on during the dance toward the end of the night, see how it does... then just all the time if it works.... be honest


I am working on a promo vid with local videographers. Here is what I have so far : youtu.be

You tell me if I'm being honest. Your such a door knob . You see that ns72 and those people dancing , the moving heads and special effects, you think I wanna hide behind the table?

I bet you're a fuck all DJ :)

Prove me wrong :)

I
DJ Fras 12:12 AM - 10 February, 2018
Seems like Serato is playing catch-up to rekordbox now!
Big Pops 1:48 AM - 10 February, 2018
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Seems like Serato is playing catch-up to rekordbox now!


I quite agree, RB catch them with their pants down, i have been a user since Scratch Live came on the market and its always been a problem that Serato dont listen to their user base.Simple thing like fixing the FX problem, to date no fix and its been years nothing has been done, the problem with the sample cut off when you change user bank, i could go on and on.
Serato wake up its 2018 and listen, if you dont RB would just take away your user base.
Hanginon 5:12 AM - 10 February, 2018
First there was SSL, probably aimed at the Club DJ, freeing them from hundreds of pounds of record crates. Then Itch, probably aimed more for the "controller" style mobile DJ. Finally Serato DJ - supposedly All Things to All DJ's. IMHO, that's where they went wrong.

The needs of a wedding/event DJ are vastly different from a DJ vying for a Red Bull 3Style win - and it seems the latter type of DJ'ing is what Serato prefers to be associated with.

Do you need Automix to DJ? No, but it will make things better if you're DJ'ing a wedding.
If you are an event DJ taking requests, do you need a way to very quickly scan a large library without loading songs? Not if you have a perfect memory. I don't.

In the mean time, the bare bones (for reliability) vs feature rich (for usefulness) posts like these will continue. Perhaps they should go back to two separate products - a 64 bit "Pro" version for those who mix to death a hand full of songs, in search of 20 minutes of YouTube fame...and then develop "Intro" into a full fledged, feature rich software for the rest of us.
al83 10:35 AM - 10 February, 2018
I have a feeling the beta has been pushed back, possibly to add more features, this is purely my speculation! i would have thought they would have had a release candidate by end of January at the latest..
Rebelguy 2:01 PM - 10 February, 2018
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I have a feeling the beta has been pushed back, possibly to add more features,


Nope.
Big Pops 3:33 PM - 10 February, 2018
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First there was SSL, probably aimed at the Club DJ, freeing them from hundreds of pounds of record crates. Then Itch, probably aimed more for the "controller" style mobile DJ. Finally Serato DJ - supposedly All Things to All DJ's. IMHO, that's where they went wrong.

The needs of a wedding/event DJ are vastly different from a DJ vying for a Red Bull 3Style win - and it seems the latter type of DJ'ing is what Serato prefers to be associated with.

Do you need Automix to DJ? No, but it will make things better if you're DJ'ing a wedding.
If you are an event DJ taking requests, do you need a way to very quickly scan a large library without loading songs? Not if you have a perfect memory. I don't.

In the mean time, the bare bones (for reliability) vs feature rich (for usefulness) posts like these will continue. Perhaps they should go back to two separate products - a 64 bit "Pro" version for those who mix to death a hand full of songs, in search of 20 minutes of YouTube fame...and then develop "Intro" into a full fledged, feature rich software for the rest of us.


Serato should be associated with anyone who uses their product, its money in the bank when users choose to use Serato DJ over other platform out there.
BoogieMan34950 5:32 PM - 10 February, 2018
You cain't have history without a past, back when Serato, VDj & many other was a twinkle in some coder's eye I was hitting the clubs in a live band as time went on the clubs owners found out it would be cheaper to pay one person compared to 6 or 8 that's when Record Hops began and I was saying the same things some of you are saying now. There were no scratch Dj, Mix Dj only Radio Djs and you had to talk to fill in the gap between the music and the only ones that were mixing on air that I knew was the Pirate Dj mixing from a secret location. Yes, time has changed and if you to keep up you will too. Look at me I just switch from a mouse & keyboard to a controller {my first one} and I've was here before Serato was born.
ceedogg13 6:47 PM - 10 February, 2018
Amen Boogieman 34950 ! i understand u completely . i started in 79 and i djed with one turntable , a reel 2 reel there was no serato no rekordbox or traktor back then .. but one thing i kno !!! i love serato , i see all these whining ass people on here complaining , Ive been messin with serato and itch since 2012 and never had no issues at all no complaints....
DJ Marty 7:01 PM - 10 February, 2018
Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...
Big Pops 7:15 PM - 10 February, 2018
You can't please every user, but Serato needs to look at every single user request after all they are paying customers. It is then up to them to make a short list and put request in priority and act on them.
For me i want a stable software, they need to address the high CPU usage, large library problems and also address the FX issues we being having for years now. Its a slap in the face that these issues are not being dealt with.
al83 7:32 PM - 10 February, 2018
I absolutely agree that the DVS version should be a separate package, stripped and lean. Or better still it should be a core program with the option to add in the drivers you require for your device.
DjSyndic8 7:34 PM - 10 February, 2018
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5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.


now you want to live in the past and not flow with the future and I realize that having spotify integration is so much easy to manage music because You don't have to carry that many singles with you on your hard drive, my setup now is ddjsx2 + 4TB external hard drive with my music + Algoriddim Djay 2 running on Android Tablet with Spotify, when I do a Wedding they send me a spotify playlist and I put it through a software and download all the tracks.... and its done

like I said Serato fell asleep and now they are probably going to fade out into the background
DJ Marty 7:41 PM - 10 February, 2018
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now you want to live in the past and not flow with the future and I realize that having spotify integration is so much easy to manage music because You don't have to carry that many singles with you on your hard drive, my setup now is ddjsx2 + 4TB external hard drive with my music + Algoriddim Djay 2 running on Android Tablet with Spotify, when I do a Wedding they send me a spotify playlist and I put it through a software and download all the tracks.... and its done


like I said Serato fell asleep and now they are probably going to fade out into the background

Apparently you need to get acquainted with Spotify EULA.
DjSyndic8 7:51 PM - 10 February, 2018
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like I said Serato fell asleep and now they are probably going to fade out into the background

Apparently you need to get acquainted with Spotify EULA.


oh i am prob the only dj that is late to the game with spotify lol
DJ Marty 7:53 PM - 10 February, 2018
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oh i am prob the only dj that is late to the game with spotify lol


Dunno. Some us follow EULAs so we don't get fined or end up in prison becoming someone's side bitch. :)
AKIEM 7:55 PM - 10 February, 2018
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LOLOL, you think I'm talking this personal ? Nah man. Everytime someone mentions a feature they want, you have people telling them why it's not needed, or you have a comment as to why it's not relevant. That doesn't go for just automix, if someone says I wish they would add a feature they does ______________. You always have some nobody that puts them down and states their irrelevant opinion, why is that?

Wedding and mobile DJs want this feature for our own benefit, as in some cases ya it's required. It's not upto you to decide what we need. Besides 64 bit support, this is a big feature that has been asked for years. And it seems to get no support, as some of these so called die hard DJs always state their opinion. A fade in fade out option does not do your job. Vdjs automix has the full potential to take over your job, if you sit down and set it up accordingly

I'm out.


sounds like ur taking it Hella personal.

why do people post their opinion about what features should not be added? because that's their opinion on the feature, you think people should come here and say yes to every dumb ass feature request?

I didn't say it was up to me whats added, I just have my opinion on the matter like everyone else. wow.

a DJ's job is litarely (boom spelled it) to play one song after the other at least. if the computer is doing that, then the computer is DJing.

and for real, I don't think none of you dudes is actually being honest about only needing it for emergency shit breaks. tell the truth. you want to set it on automix all dinner long so you can hide behind the decks eating a nasty plate of chicken or beef. you know if you are messing around actually DJing a server might pick your plate up and walk away. Or you don't get the chance to stand in the buffet line like the photographer did. and you know damn well you are going to throw it on during the dance toward the end of the night, see how it does... then just all the time if it works.... be honest


I am working on a promo vid with local videographers. Here is what I have so far : youtu.be

You tell me if I'm being honest. Your such a door knob . You see that ns72 and those people dancing , the moving heads and special effects, you think I wanna hide behind the table?

you are saying you got all that happening during dinner? you got the volume up, effects, trying to make yourself be seen, get the people going.... during the dinner?

I dont get why you posted the video. when you are pressing the buttons, is that when you wish you could just set it to 'automix' and go take a crap?

I dont get it

and nope, I still dont think you are being honest


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I bet you're a fuck all DJ :)

Prove me wrong :)

I dont know what that means - but you seem desperate to prove something to somebody, fragile ego and upset
AKIEM 8:14 PM - 10 February, 2018
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Watchwww.youtube.com.... Listen to DJ JAZZY JEFF EXPLAIN SYNC And Technology

Rocking the Party is only thing that matter!!!!


Thats great, but hes not talking about software development.

I really dont care if YOU use a sync button. I could care less if YOU use a premixed CD.

The problem is the complications it brings to the software and how little advantage (you cant match two numbers?) there really is.

And the overall direction of the software. Serato used to have a tag line - "the software doesnt DJ for you" or some shit like that. Eventually it will be - "the software that does your job for you"
AKIEM 8:18 PM - 10 February, 2018
...oh yeah, and you are forced to use sync if you want to use Ableton Link.
DJ Fras 9:15 PM - 10 February, 2018
I still don't understand why some of you die-hard Serato users won't be able to try or move to another software. For example, I was with Traktor first then I left because Traktor didn't support some of the controllers that I like.

Is it because Serato is the standard in the clubs or what?
dj_soo 9:28 PM - 10 February, 2018
Im old and afraid of change.

Real answer is I’ve just spent too much time and money on serato and I don’t have the time or desire to re-do my library and learn a new software.

I bought traktor a while back while it was on sale and have literally only opened it like 5 times. Each time I stare at the screen, maybe think about trying to map it to my controller and give up after 20 minutes.

Same with rekordbox - the serato workflow is so ingrained in me that it’s frustrating not having the same keyboard shortcuts, layout, ui, etc.

I’m at that point where I don’t have to think when I dj with serato and when I use a new program, it’ll be several months of re training that I can’t be bothered to do.

It’s the same reason I stick with ableton as my daw - I want to try others, but every time i do, I just get frustrated and go back to what I know.
DJ Fras 9:36 PM - 10 February, 2018
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Im old and afraid of change.

Real answer is I’ve just spent too much time and money on serato and I don’t have the time or desire to re-do my library and learn a new software.

I bought traktor a while back while it was on sale and have literally only opened it like 5 times. Each time I stare at the screen, maybe think about trying to map it to my controller and give up after 20 minutes.

Same with rekordbox - the serato workflow is so ingrained in me that it’s frustrating not having the same keyboard shortcuts, layout, ui, etc.

I’m at that point where I don’t have to think when I dj with serato and when I use a new program, it’ll be several months of re training that I can’t be bothered to do.

It’s the same reason I stick with ableton as my daw - I want to try others, but every time i do, I just get frustrated and go back to what I know.



I see your point. You have time invested in Serato, you are very familiar with the program so there is no need to learn and invest in a new software.
AKIEM 9:40 PM - 10 February, 2018
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I still don't understand why some of you die-hard Serato users won't be able to try or move to another software. For example, I was with Traktor first then I left because Traktor didn't support some of the controllers that I like.

Is it because Serato is the standard in the clubs or what?


same as dj_soo,

I started with SL in 2004 and have a lot of time energy and gear invested.

Even so, last year I purchased that top level Traktor interface and wasted a lot of time trying to make it work comfortably with my mixers. but it didn't fit my habits or work flow, and I would have had to accept some trade offs anyway.

I haven't tried recordbox yet, but I will be. I will try whatever comes along. I even tried a handful of iPad DJ apps. do yeah
AKIEM 9:49 PM - 10 February, 2018
reminds me I gotta put that on ebay, all it does is sit on a shelf reminding me what I can't do with SDJ.
popnwave 12:15 AM - 11 February, 2018
Ya'll old heads can keep using SSL on older macbook pros and be happy.

It's no different than sticking to TTs and an analog mixer.

I prefer a balance of both worlds and understand there will be changes to my work flow to do this. I don't understand how some of you hold down jobs in a workplace with the amount of bitching you do about things changing and not getting what you want.

Just because you decide to buy a piece of hardware with SERATO's name on it, doesn't mean they owe you certain features, nor does any product. Just like buying a car, you don't buy a Chevy and bitch at them because they don't have the same features as a Tesla.

The psychology and thinking process of this place (forum and its users) is so whack and entitled.
AKIEM 1:03 AM - 11 February, 2018
I'm entitled to my opinion about how the software progresses.

And just because you think a certain feature should not be added doesn't mean you think no features should be added and the software should not improve, progress and advance with technology.

Complaining about someone having a different opinion is the real problem. dudes so easily offended and taking shit personal - that shits hilarious
DJ Fluke 613 1:44 AM - 11 February, 2018
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I'm entitled to my opinion about how the software progresses.

And just because you think a certain feature should not be added doesn't mean you think no features should be added and the software should not improve, progress and advance with technology.

Complaining about someone having a different opinion is the real problem. dudes so easily offended and taking shit personal - that shits hilarious


No your telling us why the features we want shouldn't be added because you have your own conclusion as to why we want it, that's the real problem. Someone needing something, is their business as to why they need it. But like they said, it's coming, and bitches like you will wine about it long after its here. It's ok, we need your mentality in the world, it makes others use the technology to their advantage while other chimps like you stay in their place.

Also check out what Jazzy Jeff said about the sync button "don't worry about it and just play good music". Fake DJs like you will just fade. If you really think a fade in fade out option is going to kill the business, then LOL on you.

Nobody takes anything you say personally, frankly I think you ain't shit, as from your mentality, I can tell. Just the simple way you express yourself, you can tell you ain't shit.

You have a degree in fuckery :)
AKIEM 5:03 PM - 11 February, 2018
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I'm entitled to my opinion about how the software progresses.

And just because you think a certain feature should not be added doesn't mean you think no features should be added and the software should not improve, progress and advance with technology.

Complaining about someone having a different opinion is the real problem. dudes so easily offended and taking shit personal - that shits hilarious


No your telling us why the features we want shouldn't be added because you have your own conclusion as to why we want it, that's the real problem.


Wrong. That's your problem. You are asking me to draw these conclusions and getting mad about my answers.

The reasons I think these garbage auto features should not be added has nothing to do with you.

If you don't want me to comment on how you 'dj' then quit asking me too. Quit taking my criticism of these features to heart, personally and getting mad about my opinion.


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Someone needing something, is their business as to why they need it. But like they said, it's coming, and bitches like you will wine about it long after its here. It's ok, we need your mentality in the world, it makes others use the technology to their advantage while other chimps like you stay in their place.


That's funny, because I actually embrace cutting edge technology. I play out with beta versions, preorder first iterations of gear, and push nontraditional work flows. I also predict coming technology fairly well. On top of that you probably use features Ive suggested and invisioned along the way.

but, go ahead and tell yourself whatever type story about me you want if it makes you feel better about yourself - I don't care.

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Also check out what Jazzy Jeff said about the sync button "don't worry about it and just play good music". Fake DJs like you will just fade. If you really think a fade in fade out option is going to kill the business, then LOL on you.

I agree with Jeff (tho I think he would have said different in the past) and I posted a response to what he said.

Now, which one of us has actually DJd with Jeff, and discussed Serato and DJ gear?

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Nobody takes anything you say personally, frankly I think you ain't shit, as from your mentality, I can tell. Just the simple way you express yourself, you can tell you ain't shit.

You have a degree in fuckery :)


lol. clearly you have no idea what 'take it personal means' and ur mad.
Dave-M 6:06 PM - 11 February, 2018
Group hug.
Dave-M 6:12 PM - 11 February, 2018
Question. When they do issue public betas, where do we find them, is it a forum post? Thanks.
Blank_Disk 9:24 PM - 11 February, 2018
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Question. When they do issue public betas, where do we find them, is it a forum post? Thanks.


good question
Aptidda 4:22 PM - 12 February, 2018
I'm so excited for SERATO DJ PRO! I am gonna use it when I get my BRAND NEW RANE 72 and I am going to be BATTLE READY for all you haters. The Stainless steel on my mixer is going to ensure durability for years to come. And I will be adjusting my upfaders resistance so I can cut on the up!

Serato is the best DJ Software on the planet, all ways has been. Always will be.
popnwave 4:39 PM - 12 February, 2018
Great for playing the music you downloaded off YouTube, am I right? :D
Aptidda 4:43 PM - 12 February, 2018
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Great for playing the music you downloaded off YouTube, am I right? :D


No, great for plugging in my iPhone and playing Spotify.
DJ LIL M 12:01 AM - 13 February, 2018
everybody arguing how lovely
Logisticalstyles 12:27 AM - 13 February, 2018
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everybody arguing how lovely


Just like the good old days. Feels good to log onto Serato.com and see that my tracked discussions have new comments. It was getting boring around here.
DjSyndic8 2:56 AM - 13 February, 2018
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I'm so excited for SERATO DJ PRO! I am gonna use it when I get my BRAND NEW RANE 72 and I am going to be BATTLE READY for all you haters. The Stainless steel on my mixer is going to ensure durability for years to come. And I will be adjusting my upfaders resistance so I can cut on the up!

Serato is the best DJ Software on the planet, all ways has been. Always will be.


awww don't be afraid to really say whats on your mind Serato is not going to smite you down lol
Aptidda 4:25 PM - 13 February, 2018
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I'm so excited for SERATO DJ PRO! I am gonna use it when I get my BRAND NEW RANE 72 and I am going to be BATTLE READY for all you haters. The Stainless steel on my mixer is going to ensure durability for years to come. And I will be adjusting my upfaders resistance so I can cut on the up!

Serato is the best DJ Software on the planet, all ways has been. Always will be.


awww don't be afraid to really say whats on your mind Serato is not going to smite you down lol


battle ready buddy, battle ready...
djxcellerator 7:32 PM - 13 February, 2018
Just release a public beta already Serato. Or send out some more invites to your users. Just insane how long this process is while the users testing it say it runs so well.
mixgoonie 7:40 PM - 13 February, 2018
Cannot agree more...... don't introduce to Namm if you make your people wait about one month for the public beta after such a long private beta testing....
Rebelguy 8:24 PM - 13 February, 2018
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Cannot agree more...... don't introduce to Namm if you make your people wait about one month for the public beta after such a long private beta testing....


They didn’t introduce it at NAMM. It was there so Rane could demo their mixer.
Rebelguy 8:25 PM - 13 February, 2018
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I'm so excited for SERATO DJ PRO! I am gonna use it when I get my BRAND NEW RANE 72 and I am going to be BATTLE READY for all you haters. The Stainless steel on my mixer is going to ensure durability for years to come. And I will be adjusting my upfaders resistance so I can cut on the up!

Serato is the best DJ Software on the planet, all ways has been. Always will be.


awww don't be afraid to really say whats on your mind Serato is not going to smite you down lol


battle ready buddy, battle ready...


What clubs are you at in the Bay. I want to check out the mixer in action when you get it.
Wavespeech 9:02 PM - 13 February, 2018
Duh! It'll be the one with the roof blown off, open your eyes!
Aptidda 9:28 PM - 13 February, 2018
Rebelguy: I only spin Kids Carnivals, so next one I do ill let you know and you can come check it out. Let me know if you have any clown skills, we always are in need of clowns.

Oh and you guys aren't special enough to have access to the Beta, which they probably are not going to release.
DJ Tecniq 10:30 PM - 13 February, 2018
Already on the beta homie. Don’t get your hopes up there’s a shit ton of bugs still. There i said it🤷🏼‍♂️
Aptidda 10:36 PM - 13 February, 2018
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Already on the beta homie. Don’t get your hopes up there’s a shit ton of bugs still. There i said it🤷🏼‍♂️


Excellent, its like a jungle safari with all those bugs
DJ Tecniq 10:39 PM - 13 February, 2018
SDJ Pro will be ready by March look at the 72 📦... instagram.com
Aptidda 12:14 AM - 14 February, 2018
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SDJ Pro will be ready by March look at the 72 📦... instagram.com


Yep I know when it will be shipped, and its in March.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 12:27 AM - 14 February, 2018
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Already on the beta homie. Don’t get your hopes up there’s a shit ton of bugs still. There i said it🤷🏼‍♂️


There are always going to bugs. It has been super stable for me. I have had had zero issues. Even from going from turntables to my new Roland 808. And I have been using it atleast twice a week 3-4 hours a time.

When they are ready they will release it. I don't get why people are rushing them to put it out if it is not ready. Just wait.
DJ Tecniq 12:31 AM - 14 February, 2018
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Already on the beta homie. Don’t get your hopes up there’s a shit ton of bugs still. There i said it🤷🏼‍♂️


There are always going to bugs. It has been super stable for me. I have had had zero issues. Even from going from turntables to my new Roland 808. And I have been using it atleast twice a week 3-4 hours a time.

When they are ready they will release it. I don't get why people are rushing them to put it out if it is not ready. Just wait.
You’re right it could mostly be from High Sierra. All i saw was dropouts, dropouts etc in the beta section. I have high hopes they’ll get it sorted.
al83 7:55 AM - 14 February, 2018
Bugs & also probably they are waiting for a major hardware release to go along with 2.0! Perhaps even an SDJ-1000 to compete against the new DDJ-1000 from Poneer for RB??
lofty 12:13 PM - 14 February, 2018
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Bugs & also probably they are waiting for a major hardware release to go along with 2.0! Perhaps even an SDJ-1000 to compete against the new DDJ-1000 from Poneer for RB??


IMO - Pioneer won't be releasing a SDJ 1000 - it would be a smart move.
I've already jumped to rekordbox ( actually 2 years ago ) and pre ordered the DDJ1000

Seraro went flat and really hasn't added any solid features in a long time. - other than PnT and Flip they really haven't been doing much.

I'm using Rekordbox now and in the last few releases they keep adding new things, and is running rock solid on my 2012 macbook pro ( Yosemite )

The related tracks feature is killer - I now have a bunch of smart playlists that update according to the track playing.

and YES they did add an auto mix feature , will it replace a DJ? NO.
I used it at a gig last week just to try , it does a basic blend ( and beat match it BPM is close ) Perfect for when you have to take care of business for 5-10 minutes ( think at a wedding when you need to talk to bride )

Also the pad effects and release effects in RB are great !

OF course, there are a few issues. - but I can live with them.
-You can't force resize video output window - videos jump from 4:3 to 16:9 - kind of annoying
-No mixed media playlists - can't mix MP3 and MP4 - I understand why - it's just a P.I.T.A.
those are my main issues - but it's not a dealbreaker for me.

Just my thought and ramblings

Cheers
DJ Marv the Maverick 12:20 PM - 14 February, 2018
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Bugs & also probably they are waiting for a major hardware release to go along with 2.0! Perhaps even an SDJ-1000 to compete against the new DDJ-1000 from Poneer for RB??


IMO - Pioneer won't be releasing a SDJ 1000 - it would be a smart move.
I've already jumped to rekordbox ( actually 2 years ago ) and pre ordered the DDJ1000

Seraro went flat and really hasn't added any solid features in a long time. - other than PnT and Flip they really haven't been doing much.

I'm using Rekordbox now and in the last few releases they keep adding new things, and is running rock solid on my 2012 macbook pro ( Yosemite )

The related tracks feature is killer - I now have a bunch of smart playlists that update according to the track playing.

and YES they did add an auto mix feature , will it replace a DJ? NO.
I used it at a gig last week just to try , it does a basic blend ( and beat match it BPM is close ) Perfect for when you have to take care of business for 5-10 minutes ( think at a wedding when you need to talk to bride )

Also the pad effects and release effects in RB are great !

OF course, there are a few issues. - but I can live with them.
-You can't force resize video output window - videos jump from 4:3 to 16:9 - kind of annoying
-No mixed media playlists - can't mix MP3 and MP4 - I understand why - it's just a P.I.T.A.
those are my main issues - but it's not a dealbreaker for me.

Just my thought and ramblings

Cheers


I'm experimenting with Rekordbox DJ currently too.
The inability to combine audio and video into one playlist sucks yeah.

I also find that I can't drag and drop from explorer to a video playlist. I have my video files in 10 folders based on Genre.

Still rocking Serato DJ live though and have no plans to switch completely anytime soon.
DJ Fras 12:46 PM - 14 February, 2018
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Bugs & also probably they are waiting for a major hardware release to go along with 2.0! Perhaps even an SDJ-1000 to compete against the new DDJ-1000 from Poneer for RB??


IMO - Pioneer won't be releasing a SDJ 1000 - it would be a smart move.
I've already jumped to rekordbox ( actually 2 years ago ) and pre ordered the DDJ1000

Seraro went flat and really hasn't added any solid features in a long time. - other than PnT and Flip they really haven't been doing much.

I'm using Rekordbox now and in the last few releases they keep adding new things, and is running rock solid on my 2012 macbook pro ( Yosemite )

The related tracks feature is killer - I now have a bunch of smart playlists that update according to the track playing.

and YES they did add an auto mix feature , will it replace a DJ? NO.
I used it at a gig last week just to try , it does a basic blend ( and beat match it BPM is close ) Perfect for when you have to take care of business for 5-10 minutes ( think at a wedding when you need to talk to bride )

Also the pad effects and release effects in RB are great !

OF course, there are a few issues. - but I can live with them.
-You can't force resize video output window - videos jump from 4:3 to 16:9 - kind of annoying
-No mixed media playlists - can't mix MP3 and MP4 - I understand why - it's just a P.I.T.A.
those are my main issues - but it's not a dealbreaker for me.

Just my thought and ramblings

Cheers


I'm experimenting with Rekordbox DJ currently too.
The inability to combine audio and video into one playlist sucks yeah.

I also find that I can't drag and drop from explorer to a video playlist. I have my video files in 10 folders based on Genre.

Still rocking Serato DJ live though and have no plans to switch completely anytime soon.


I bet if you put a ticket in for your request, their next update will have it
al83 2:30 PM - 14 February, 2018
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Bugs & also probably they are waiting for a major hardware release to go along with 2.0! Perhaps even an SDJ-1000 to compete against the new DDJ-1000 from Poneer for RB??


IMO - Pioneer won't be releasing a SDJ 1000 - it would be a smart move.
I've already jumped to rekordbox ( actually 2 years ago ) and pre ordered the DDJ1000

Seraro went flat and really hasn't added any solid features in a long time. - other than PnT and Flip they really haven't been doing much.

I'm using Rekordbox now and in the last few releases they keep adding new things, and is running rock solid on my 2012 macbook pro ( Yosemite )

The related tracks feature is killer - I now have a bunch of smart playlists that update according to the track playing.

and YES they did add an auto mix feature , will it replace a DJ? NO.
I used it at a gig last week just to try , it does a basic blend ( and beat match it BPM is close ) Perfect for when you have to take care of business for 5-10 minutes ( think at a wedding when you need to talk to bride )

Also the pad effects and release effects in RB are great !

OF course, there are a few issues. - but I can live with them.
-You can't force resize video output window - videos jump from 4:3 to 16:9 - kind of annoying
-No mixed media playlists - can't mix MP3 and MP4 - I understand why - it's just a P.I.T.A.
those are my main issues - but it's not a dealbreaker for me.

Just my thought and ramblings

Cheers

Ditto! I’ve been with RB for a few years now, I’ve only seen it as a serious platform since v5 though. I have two concurrent libraries in Serato & RB, and am slowly getting more confident with using RB (stability-wise), however I still have my trusty SL2 and SSL 2.5 and still use that for live DJing as I don’t think anything has bettered it yet for DVS. Probably making the switch to CDJ USB DJing in the next few months, the arrival of qwerty search on the nexus 2’s a game changer and the main reason why I’ve been with laptops for so long.
al83 2:32 PM - 14 February, 2018
Also RB has two hideous issues - you can’t hard delete from within the library (hard disk delete tracks), only remove from collection, and it doesn’t support the Camelot key system in its filter search and on the players. There’s work arounds but still extremely frustrating.
Robbie O 4:15 PM - 14 February, 2018
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IMO - Pioneer won't be releasing a SDJ 1000 - it would be a smart move.


IMO, Pioneer will continue to release SDJ stuff and sell it with a serato tax like the DJM S3. Although, it makes sense from a All out war/world domination stand point, it doesn't make much business sense to risk it all at this point.

The risk is Serato lover users that love Pio gear. My guess is there is too much money at risk to alienate those people.

Pio will continue to grow in software market share and probably purposely delay major releases to serato.
costas pronoitis 5:41 PM - 14 February, 2018
Already on the beta homie. Don’t get your hopes up there’s a shit ton of bugs still. There i said it🤷🏼‍♂️
thorissr 6:52 PM - 14 February, 2018
For any beta testers who are willing to chime in....Were there any DVS improvements for 2.0b? Meaning is it reminiscent of SSL in any respect?

Thanks
Aptidda 7:26 PM - 14 February, 2018
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For any beta testers who are willing to chime in....Were there any DVS improvements for 2.0b? Meaning is it reminiscent of SSL in any respect?

Thanks


SSL is dead and long gone. No, it will not be "reminiscent" of SSL- just let it die.
costas pronoitis 7:32 PM - 14 February, 2018
Serato dj pro beta download?
al83 8:43 PM - 14 February, 2018
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For any beta testers who are willing to chime in....Were there any DVS improvements for 2.0b? Meaning is it reminiscent of SSL in any respect?

Thanks

In terms of under the hood stability and improvements yes! (64bit code, snappier etc). Design-wise it’s still SDJ.
costas pronoitis 9:00 PM - 14 February, 2018
How do I download the beta version?
thorissr 9:20 PM - 14 February, 2018
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For any beta testers who are willing to chime in....Were there any DVS improvements for 2.0b? Meaning is it reminiscent of SSL in any respect?

Thanks

In terms of under the hood stability and improvements yes! (64bit code, snappier etc). Design-wise it’s still SDJ.


Exactly what I was looking for....looking forward to 2.0.

Thanks!
Aptidda 9:38 PM - 14 February, 2018
yep Serato DJ is going to be DOPE! I have buddies that are on the beta and its smooth as butta! All Hail the Seventy TWO!
AKIEM 10:21 PM - 14 February, 2018
Wonder why the beta is so leaky now
al83 10:34 PM - 14 February, 2018
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Wonder why the beta is so leaky now

No new info here that hasn’t been on dj news sites or YouTube for months.
DJ Yaitanis 11:43 AM - 18 February, 2018
Just loaded Final 9896-64 all looks great! MBP 15 Touch (Latest) Fully loaded.

But Much to my Chagrin - What is the big deal with getting a bigger Library Search Box so we can see what we are doing? How difficult can this be!!!?? Can you make it a little bigger in the bar so us older DJ's can Freeking See what we are typing?

Come on guys!!! This is a copout! Get it done...
thorissr 3:28 PM - 18 February, 2018
Anxiously waiting on hopefully a public beta release!!
mixgoonie 5:56 PM - 18 February, 2018
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

How can It be so long ?
Ragman 6:36 PM - 18 February, 2018
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Just loaded Final 9896-64 all looks great! MBP 15 Touch (Latest) Fully loaded.

But Much to my Chagrin - What is the big deal with getting a bigger Library Search Box so we can see what we are doing? How difficult can this be!!!?? Can you make it a little bigger in the bar so us older DJ's can Freeking See what we are typing?

Come on guys!!! This is a copout! Get it done...

Are you apart of the private beta team?
If you are, you're not supposed to be talking about the private betas in the open forum.
If you are not, how did you get a hold of a copy and why would you post it here you got it?
DJ Fras 8:31 PM - 18 February, 2018
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Just loaded Final 9896-64 all looks great! MBP 15 Touch (Latest) Fully loaded.

But Much to my Chagrin - What is the big deal with getting a bigger Library Search Box so we can see what we are doing? How difficult can this be!!!?? Can you make it a little bigger in the bar so us older DJ's can Freeking See what we are typing?

Come on guys!!! This is a copout! Get it done...

Are you apart of the private beta team?
If you are, you're not supposed to be talking about the private betas in the open forum.
If you are not, how did you get a hold of a copy and why would you post it here you got it?

Do you want to know what’s going with or not?
Ragman 9:55 PM - 18 February, 2018
Serato typically makes it available to everyone on Public Beta. Which should be real soon.
popnwave 1:25 AM - 19 February, 2018
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Are you apart of the private beta team?
If you are, you're not supposed to be talking about the private betas in the open forum.
If you are not, how did you get a hold of a copy and why would you post it here you got it?


He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Shakeelo 6:44 PM - 19 February, 2018
All I want is a faster response (latency) such as Rekordbox dj.. Im between switching to Rekordbox just because the software responses quickly to my controller. however my Serato crates & cue points are holding me back.
Andrei Matei 7:25 PM - 19 February, 2018
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All I want is a faster response (latency) such as Rekordbox dj.. Im between switching to Rekordbox just because the software responses quickly to my controller. however my Serato crates & cue points are holding me back.


Doesnt RB’s poor-sounding scratch performance bother you?
DjSyndic8 4:58 AM - 20 February, 2018
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All I want is a faster response (latency) such as Rekordbox dj.. Im between switching to Rekordbox just because the software responses quickly to my controller. however my Serato crates & cue points are holding me back.


Doesnt RB’s poor-sounding scratch performance bother you?


lol i guess this would matter if you scratch
J.J. 8:17 AM - 20 February, 2018
You mean they didn't fix the awful scratch sound in Rekordbox version 5? I thought it was rebuilt on a new Koretech engine?
grimberger 1:04 PM - 20 February, 2018
Bonjour je recherche la mise a jour de serato dj 2.0 svp
John Calipari 4:03 PM - 20 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...

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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


100% Agree with this. Great post
Johnny H 6:12 PM - 20 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


at last some sense, will serato ever take note of their sensible customers ?????
John Calipari 6:32 PM - 20 February, 2018
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at last some sense


I had the Sagat - Fuk Dat track playing in my head while I was going down his bullet points.
david07 6:38 PM - 20 February, 2018
sdj to 64bits already..I have been testing my card sl3 with rekordbox dj with vinyls of time code and fine in win10 even better than the same serato at a low latency, espavilaos
DJ Bully 6:39 PM - 20 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


at last some sense, will serato ever take note of their sensible customers ?????


I will add my approval to the above points :)
DJ Dub (DC's Own) 6:58 PM - 20 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


at last some sense, will serato ever take note of their sensible customers ?????


I will add my approval to the above points :)


Preach People!
popnwave 7:50 PM - 20 February, 2018
The concept of a modular route to trim down the code is kinda cool.

BUT it will certainly add another layer of users who have a hard enough time downloading SDJ to start, from figuring it out.
Z-Point 8:11 PM - 20 February, 2018
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sdj to 64bits already..I have been testing my card sl3 with rekordbox dj with vinyls of time code and fine in win10 even better than the same serato at a low latency, espavilaos


Wait, what? Explain this a little more please. You're using Rekordbox DJ with an SL3 and Serato time code vinyls?
DjSyndic8 4:52 AM - 21 February, 2018
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at last some sense


I had the Sagat - Fuk Dat track playing in my head while I was going down his bullet points.


classic track lyrics still true to this day
DjSyndic8 4:53 AM - 21 February, 2018
its coming in the new update
david07 8:54 PM - 21 February, 2018
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<div><strong><font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Citar:</font></font></strong>
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sdj a 64bits ya ... He estado probando mi tarjeta sl3 con rekordbox dj con vinilos de código de tiempo y bien en win10 incluso mejor que el mismo serato en baja latencia, espavilaos</font></font>

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¿Esperar lo? </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Explica esto un poco más por favor. </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">¿Estás usando Rekordbox DJ con un vinilo SL3 y un código de tiempo Serato?
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I was testing it a few days, with the serato performance vinyls and sl3, and windows 10 is super fluid, I did not believe it

did not work the absolute or relative only reproduced, if it had been used with the rekordbox vinyls this would be fixed, but I must say that the communication with the hardware and software was perfect, but I prefer to continue with sdj for that compatibility, step. to pay a license
Hanginon 9:04 PM - 21 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


Sure. Why not eliminate video as well (it automatically loads in the background on newest releases)? I know..... you need it, but I don't!!

Eliminate, eliminate, eliminate.

Rekordbox 5.2 just added Lighting support. Don't know how well it works, but if it's broken, they'll fix it.

You can only eliminate so much before you eliminate yourself from the marketplace. Sure, stability should be number one, but that comes with proper coding, not going backwards.
A complicated machine like a BMW will beat a rickshaw every time in a race.
DJ Fras 10:36 PM - 21 February, 2018
Quote:
Quote:
Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


Sure. Why not eliminate video as well (it automatically loads in the background on newest releases)? I know..... you need it, but I don't!!

Eliminate, eliminate, eliminate.

Rekordbox 5.2 just added Lighting support. Don't know how well it works, but if it's broken, they'll fix it.

You can only eliminate so much before you eliminate yourself from the marketplace. Sure, stability should be number one, but that comes with proper coding, not going backwards.
A complicated machine like a BMW will beat a rickshaw every time in a race.


Absolutely Agree 100%.

Some of these DJs are not computer savvy, so if s new feature is addef,,!they start complaining.
dj_soo 10:42 PM - 21 February, 2018
A lot of the same DJs that complain about the extra features are the same ones that are using ScratchLive with the same SL1 or SL3 from 7-10 years ago with no intention of spending any money on new gear or SDJ plugins.
DJ Marv the Maverick 11:36 PM - 21 February, 2018
My own thoughts.

I like all the extra bells and whistles in Serato DJ but not at the detriment of the primary function of the program and stability. What good is key detection or flip if one can't even have a successful connection of hardware all the time every time.


Using the BMW analogy, what good is the adaptive suspension or your 592bhp if you can't even get the key to open the door.

Or your keyfob works sometimes and other times it doesn't. Imagine that your livelihood depends on the car starting every time all the time e.g. a getaway driver or even a Uber driver.

As much as they are bringing in new candy features they should have another team working on improving the basics too.


I think even though the Google android model they are using might increase market share × popularity but eventually a closed model like Rekordbox DJ could start to look appealing to some other.

Serato as a DJ software in its partnership with Rane was what won hearts.

I don't know how about the early days of the program as I switched to SSL in 2010. I didn't have one single issue with that product.
DJ Matty Stiles 11:42 PM - 21 February, 2018
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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...

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Tossing my pennies in...

1. Serato DJ Pro should NOT be production software.... christ sakes we need stable fucking DJ software. Get Ableton if you want to produce.
2. Stability is #1 concern with large libraries that include video...hope 64-bit addresses that
3. Kill the bloat.... don't need every controller driver as part of the package especially if were DVS users. Make this optional via 3 packages to download...select your hardware and download just the essential drivers you need.
4. Dont make this software like VirtualDJ...if they want those other wack ass shitty features then let them leave. Essential added value features only.
5 Fuck Spotify and Apple Music integration...again more shit to weaken the software with more to manage from a developer perspective. If they are too cheap to buy music or lazy to rip shit off YouTube then get a job at McDonalds and get out of DJing.
6. If they want auto mix for weddings then they can quit being tigh-asses and get a Spotify or Apple Music account. Better yet record a mix and play it back.... again quit being lazy.

Thanks for listening...


100% Agree with this. Great post


1000% agree
dj_soo 12:00 AM - 22 February, 2018
Android isn’t the best analogy because android and their manufacturers simply stop supporting old phones within a couple years whereas serato still works with ancient (by tech standards) hardware.

Serato and Rane worked for the time because it was focused on professionals and the target market was still used to paying a premium for quality gear and entry level gear was very apparent with its shortcomings in build. It was also available at the start of the shift from vinyl to digital so there was a built in market of djs that were ready to convert.

Once controllers flooded the market, there was no way serato could keep going at their strategy because the market shifted to new djs as most of the analog converts had all moved over to one thing or another. New djs weren't paying the exorbitant startup costs when cheaper, fully functioning units were available at a fraction of the cost and old dj'd weren't updating their gear because the old gear still worked. In a way, rane especially fell victim to something similar to techs where they built their gear so well, a lit of djs didn't see a need to buy anything else - as evidenced by some people still getting use out of their 10+ year old boxes.

Rane had no interest in pursuing controllers or lower cost gear so it opened the doors to other companies - NI, numark, pioneer. In the meantime, pioneer stepped up with their rekordbox standalone devices and flooded the market with all levels of gear from entry level laptop controllers to higher end standalone - and rekordbox and their cdjs became good enough that they nearly offered similar functionality to controllers without having to bring an expensive laptop to dj. Add to that their extensive marketing campaign that also coincided with the us "EDM" boom and they managed to become the defacto gear that people wanted to play on.
John Calipari 1:15 AM - 22 February, 2018
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Sure. Why not eliminate video as well (it automatically loads in the background on newest releases)? I know..... you need it, but I don't!!

Eliminate, eliminate, eliminate.


Not so much eliminate it, just don't force it into every final build whether one needs it, likes it, wants to activate it, or not.

Download the proper controller patch on first connection then give choices for Add-Ons to buy, then download them.

This isn't a new concept
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:15 AM - 22 February, 2018
Maybe the android analogy is not the best example, Don't get me wrong I like the android way. My phone is android and the only thing I have that's Apple is my MacBook. I was into the whole rooting/modding game few years ago at the risk of compromising my phone's stability and security. But now I really do not care about having a custom OS on my phone I only use the official os now.

Perhaps they need to do what you mentioned support new hardware for a limited time if you check the supported hardware list you still find loads of proper legacy gear. That alone I reckon is a nightmare. I have mentioned this before, but i don't know how coding works so i might be suggesting nonsense.

Also every now and then Google partners with a hardware brand to release the Nexus flagship, will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware. They don't even need to do the designing from ground up but can simply commission a preferred hardware manufacturer to do the job as specified by Serato. Pioneer or Roland will be chuffed.
dj_soo 6:41 AM - 22 February, 2018
Did you see the backlash when serato discontinued support for the 57? I would personally prefer a company that supported older gear for as long as technically possible.

No one wants the gear they bought 3-4 years ago to become obsolete.

A proper serato branded controller or mixer would be the tits tho.
John Calipari 1:54 PM - 22 February, 2018
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will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware.


Didn't the Roland partnership kinda imply this direction? There was still Bugs in the firmware, but seemed like Serato & Roland were hand-n-hand throughout the whole marketing lead-up to the DJ-808 release.

Problem is I just happened to think that Roland has absolutely 0% chance to ever be a serious player in the DJ industry no matter how outstanding or lacking their products are.
RodneyNZ 3:41 PM - 22 February, 2018
has anyone on the beta got a list of the supported hardware that Serato DJ 2.0 can be used with?
cheers
Rebelguy 3:59 PM - 22 February, 2018
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has anyone on the beta got a list of the supported hardware that Serato DJ 2.0 can be used with?
cheers


Which hardware did you want to use it with?
mixgoonie 4:18 PM - 22 February, 2018
Damn, still no public beta....
John Calipari 4:55 PM - 22 February, 2018
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Damn, still no public beta....


When was the last Public Beta Serato released? I wasn't sure if they even did Public Betas any more. Thought they went from Private Beta direct to release
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:13 PM - 22 February, 2018
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will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware.


Didn't the Roland partnership kinda imply this direction? There was still Bugs in the firmware, but seemed like Serato & Roland were hand-n-hand throughout the whole marketing lead-up to the DJ-808 release.

Problem is I just happened to think that Roland has absolutely 0% chance to ever be a serious player in the DJ industry no matter how outstanding or lacking their products are.


The first attempt was great though. Still amazed at the tightness of the jog wheel on the 808.

What are the pros and cons of "class compliant" USB devices?

The Roland DJ 808 isn't right?
John Calipari 6:09 PM - 22 February, 2018
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will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware.


Didn't the Roland partnership kinda imply this direction? There was still Bugs in the firmware, but seemed like Serato & Roland were hand-n-hand throughout the whole marketing lead-up to the DJ-808 release.

Problem is I just happened to think that Roland has absolutely 0% chance to ever be a serious player in the DJ industry no matter how outstanding or lacking their products are.


The first attempt was great though. Still amazed at the tightness of the jog wheel on the 808.

What are the pros and cons of "class compliant" USB devices?

The Roland DJ 808 isn't right?


First attempt was back in 1999 with the DJ1000/DJ2000 mixers. Have you ever heard of them? . . That's one of the reasons why I don't think Roland will ever be considered a factor in the DJ Industry. Keyboards, Guitar Pedals, V-Drums, and studio gear are their game.

USB Compliant: No drivers needed, so more immune to macOS Updates, less taxing on system resources, and can work with iOS devices, No cons that I can think of.

And I don't think the DJ-808 is USB Compliant. Does it require Mac Drivers?
DJ FANDOS 7:05 PM - 22 February, 2018
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DJ Marv the Maverick 7:16 PM - 22 February, 2018
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event scheduled for February 27


You was right


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Damn, still no public beta....


When was the last Public Beta Serato released? I wasn't sure if they even did Public Betas any more. Thought they went from Private Beta direct to release
mixgoonie 7:18 PM - 22 February, 2018
27th, so indeed no public beta, glad only some days to wait...
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:20 PM - 22 February, 2018
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will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware.


Didn't the Roland partnership kinda imply this direction? There was still Bugs in the firmware, but seemed like Serato & Roland were hand-n-hand throughout the whole marketing lead-up to the DJ-808 release.

Problem is I just happened to think that Roland has absolutely 0% chance to ever be a serious player in the DJ industry no matter how outstanding or lacking their products are.


The first attempt was great though. Still amazed at the tightness of the jog wheel on the 808.

What are the pros and cons of "class compliant" USB devices?

The Roland DJ 808 isn't right?


First attempt was back in 1999 with the DJ1000/DJ2000 mixers. Have you ever heard of them? . . That's one of the reasons why I don't think Roland will ever be considered a factor in the DJ Industry. Keyboards, Guitar Pedals, V-Drums, and studio gear are their game.

USB Compliant: No drivers needed, so more immune to macOS Updates, less taxing on system resources, and can work with iOS devices, No cons that I can think of.

And I don't think the DJ-808 is USB Compliant. Does it require Mac Drivers?


Yeah I know about those older gear you mentioned.

No the 808 isn't class complaint it requires drivers on Mac and Windows. I'm guessing it's because of the drum machine and extra features

Well we will see how it goes for them this time around.

Mixars is gone

So Serato's other remaining partners are currently InMusic, Reloop and Pioneer*

*not sure how long they will remain bed mates
Aptidda 7:30 PM - 22 February, 2018
told you suckas it was coming out the end of February! My seventy two is arriving in 2 weeks! HA HAAA YEAAAA.
Rebelguy 7:52 PM - 22 February, 2018
And then the S9 MK2 will be announced and you will be telling us how it will be the best mixer ever and that the 72 is junk and the eBay prices are plummeting.

HA HAA YEAAAA.
Aptidda 7:55 PM - 22 February, 2018
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And then the S9 MK2 will be announced and you will be telling us how it will be the best mixer ever and that the 72 is junk and the eBay prices are plummeting.

HA HAA YEAAAA.


Facts.
Jmoney$ 10:42 PM - 22 February, 2018
Don't forget the DJM 3000 NXS launch
Aptidda 10:53 PM - 22 February, 2018
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Don't forget the DJM 3000 NXS launch


Nah, i'm more of a scratch DJ 2 channel kind of mixer guy. Thanks for the suggestion tho!
Cnspeace 11:33 PM - 22 February, 2018
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will Serato DJ ever consider releasing their hardware which will leave them in total control of firmware.


Didn't the Roland partnership kinda imply this direction? There was still Bugs in the firmware, but seemed like Serato & Roland were hand-n-hand throughout the whole marketing lead-up to the DJ-808 release.

Problem is I just happened to think that Roland has absolutely 0% chance to ever be a serious player in the DJ industry no matter how outstanding or lacking their products are.


The first attempt was great though. Still amazed at the tightness of the jog wheel on the 808.

What are the pros and cons of "class compliant" USB devices?

The Roland DJ 808 isn't right?


First attempt was back in 1999 with the DJ1000/DJ2000 mixers. Have you ever heard of them? . . That's one of the reasons why I don't think Roland will ever be considered a factor in the DJ Industry. Keyboards, Guitar Pedals, V-Drums, and studio gear are their game.

USB Compliant: No drivers needed, so more immune to macOS Updates, less taxing on system resources, and can work with iOS devices, No cons that I can think of.

And I don't think the DJ-808 is USB Compliant. Does it require Mac Drivers?


Yeah I know about those older gear you mentioned.

No the 808 isn't class complaint it requires drivers on Mac and Windows. I'm guessing it's because of the drum machine and extra features

Well we will see how it goes for them this time around.

Mixars is gone

So Serato's other remaining partners are currently InMusic, Reloop and Pioneer*

*not sure how long they will remain bed mates



Y'all must not have the internet. The 808, 505 & 202 are selling like rice...best controllers in the game...hands down
Aptidda 11:43 PM - 22 February, 2018


Y'all must not have the internet. The 808, 505 & 202 are selling like rice...best controllers in the game...hands down



Preach, I think they have much more to offer than anything from Pioneer.
Rebelguy 1:11 AM - 23 February, 2018
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Y'all must not have the internet. The 808, 505 & 202 are selling like rice...best controllers in the game...hands down



Preach, I think they have much more to offer than anything from Pioneer.


Still on that Pioneer hate? Why?
dj_soo 2:26 AM - 23 February, 2018
I had the old Roland DJ1000 way back when. It sounded pretty good and did some cool stuff with the effects, but overall the build lacked a bit.
DeeJay Galaga 4:06 AM - 23 February, 2018
What I worry about the new Software is an issue I am starting to see with Serato and controllers. I own an NS7 2. Numark still has not released an NS7 4 which could possibly address this issue but . . . . . . NS7 2 and other controllers use a Driver with Macs. Since Apple has has upgraded OS's, you need a new driver from Numark. They stopped making updated drivers for new OS's for the NS7 2. Guess what? Now Serato DJ 2.0 or pro - won't be compatible because of Numark not developing...... this is concerning.
KlausMogensen 6:08 AM - 23 February, 2018
A little of topic, but since we are discussing Pioneer:
It looks like the biggest retailer in Europe (Thomann i Germany) and the biggest retailer in Denmark where I live (4sound) are in the process of stopping selling Pioneer DJ gear. Their webshops only have a few Pioneer items left.
I wrote both companies through FB, and 4sound replied that it was true, and it was because Pioneer were simply too slow to deliver. I haven't heard from Thomann
Does anybody know what that is about?
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:17 AM - 23 February, 2018
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A little of topic, but since we are discussing Pioneer:
It looks like the biggest retailer in Europe (Thomann i Germany) and the biggest retailer in Denmark where I live (4sound) are in the process of stopping selling Pioneer DJ gear. Their webshops only have a few Pioneer items left.
I wrote both companies through FB, and 4sound replied that it was true, and it was because Pioneer were simply too slow to deliver. I haven't heard from Thomann
Does anybody know what that is about?


Could be a profit margin thing. Even when retailers in Europe are doing sales offers you always see that they exclude Pioneer's products from the deals.

Who knows Pioneer might be planning their own Pioneer DJ online store...Apple style.
Cnspeace 6:52 AM - 23 February, 2018
I'm not saying Pioneer won't come back with something hard ..who knows? I don't understand why you would compare the DJ 808 to a 19 year old mixer ??
John Calipari 1:14 PM - 23 February, 2018
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I had the old Roland DJ1000 way back when. It sounded pretty good and did some cool stuff with the effects, but overall the build lacked a bit.


I had the 19" DJ2000 because it had MIDI out which was touted to work well with their MC-505 Drum Machine and SP-808 Sampler. It was hollow with terrible effects and faders as compared to the Tank that was Pioneer's DJM500.


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The 808, 505 & 202 are selling like rice ...best controllers in the game...hands down


I like Roland, owned a ton of their stuff, Keyboards, mixers, monitors, whatnot and though the 808 may be very good and offers premium features, the DJ-X0X's are not selling well.

And not comparing the DJ-808 to their '99 mixers. Just stating that the 808 is not Roland's first attempt in DJ Gear. They've gone in and out of this market every decade with one failed DJ product or another. They have had a tough time cracking in EDM genre in general.

They bought V-Moda so they now have the Best DJ Headphones on the planet.
Chino 3:12 PM - 23 February, 2018
Hybrid controllers/music production gear is the future. The lines between DJs & music producers have blurred to the point that a person will need to be able to do both to be successful in the future.

Roland/Serato's partnership has paved the way for some interesting gear ahead. Akai's MPC Live is one example of hydrid music production gear that may appeal to many DJs. Pioneer DJ's S-1000 sampler is another example. Maybe Pioneer DJ will also develop a DJ controller geared towards music production? I like it when companies actually compete… that gives us(DJs/consumers) more choices.

Count me in for a Serato DJ embedded controller and a new Roland DJ-808 MKII when they are released.
benictrs 3:24 PM - 23 February, 2018
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A little of topic, but since we are discussing Pioneer:
It looks like the biggest retailer in Europe (Thomann i Germany) and the biggest retailer in Denmark where I live (4sound) are in the process of stopping selling Pioneer DJ gear. Their webshops only have a few Pioneer items left.
I wrote both companies through FB, and 4sound replied that it was true, and it was because Pioneer were simply too slow to deliver. I haven't heard from Thomann
Does anybody know what that is about?


I don't know about Pioneer products but i have found aout recently that Thomann will not sell any more Behringer products .
I have seen that there was a shortage in the Pioneer products on their page but did not believe something like this can happen .
Onestly i'm intrigued on what this means .
Chino 3:31 PM - 23 February, 2018
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I don't know about Pioneer products but i have found aout recently that Thomann will not sell any more Behringer products .
I have seen that there was a shortage in the Pioneer products on their page but did not believe something like this can happen .
Onestly i'm intrigued on what this means .


It could be as simple as profit margins. Dealers(retailers) have to purchase the products they sell (at a deduced rate of course.) Maybe the profit margins for selling Pioneer DJ gear is not as great as it is for selling other gear? I wonder if the Retailers also have to pay a "Pioneer DJ Luxury Tax" for selling their gear?
Cnspeace 4:42 PM - 23 February, 2018
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I had the old Roland DJ1000 way back when. It sounded pretty good and did some cool stuff with the effects, but overall the build lacked a bit.


I had the 19" DJ2000 because it had MIDI out which was touted to work well with their MC-505 Drum Machine and SP-808 Sampler. It was hollow with terrible effects and faders as compared to the Tank that was Pioneer's DJM500.


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The 808, 505 & 202 are selling like rice ...best controllers in the game...hands down


I like Roland, owned a ton of their stuff, Keyboards, mixers, monitors, whatnot and though the 808 may be very good and offers premium features, the DJ-X0X's are not selling well.

And not comparing the DJ-808 to their '99 mixers. Just stating that the 808 is not Roland's first attempt in DJ Gear. They've gone in and out of this market every decade with one failed DJ product or another. They have had a tough time cracking in EDM genre in general.

They bought V-Moda so they now have the Best DJ Headphones on the planet.


You've gotta be on dial up. Look at the blogs on this site alone. Go on FB, Insta, Twitter...it's groups everywhere. Endorsements from people who don't normally even use controllers. They are selling I don't know what you mean ? I'm in a group on FB waiting on the Rane 72 and 12...it's like 10 people who bought 808 or 505 just to wait on the new Rane gear. NO ONE is getting rid of it. We have had this discussion for months now. I don't know anyone personally who doesn't like their piece.
Cnspeace 4:43 PM - 23 February, 2018
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Count me in for a Serato DJ embedded controller and a new Roland DJ-808 MKII when they are released.



FAX !
John Calipari 6:35 PM - 23 February, 2018
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Look at the blogs on this site alone.


Roland will not be manufacturing DJ controllers in 5 years time.

Again, I like Roland, but they have better things to do than to lose money.
Cnspeace 6:50 PM - 23 February, 2018
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Look at the blogs on this site alone.


Roland will not be manufacturing DJ controllers in 5 years time.

Again, I like Roland, but they have better things to do than to lose money.


Crystal Ball ?? They are all over. No one will be manufacturing controllers in 5 years. Buy the Pioneer..it might be nice who knows? I got the best platters in the game..no issues...all Windows no Wacs so I don't have any complaints. And I am good to go with the new Serato...no Recordbox for me :()
John Calipari 7:12 PM - 23 February, 2018
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On that, 100% agree
Jmoney$ 8:17 PM - 23 February, 2018
The only part of recordbox i see that has a clear advantage over serato is the library management. I would have to have major improvements over serato to justify the time and labor of switching.
dj_soo 8:22 PM - 23 February, 2018
the unified library would be very attractive if I DJ'd on CDJs on a regular basis, but I don't.
High Note 9:09 PM - 23 February, 2018
With Serato 2.0 on my MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra, I notice that music files from crates get mixed in with other crates eg. some files from my rock music crate gets into my R & B or House Music crates randomly.
Aptidda 10:20 PM - 23 February, 2018
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With Serato 2.0 on my MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra, I notice that music files from crates get mixed in with other crates eg. some files from my rock music crate gets into my R & B or House Music crates randomly.


you mean when you upgraded to Pro it shuffled around a few songs from the previous versions files?
DJ John (Kaduna) 12:55 AM - 24 February, 2018
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event scheduled for February 27

What time is this gonna be please??
popnwave 1:09 AM - 24 February, 2018
Dude it says there right when you click on the link:

Tuesday, February 27 at 9:30 AM - 10:30 AM UTC+13
DJ Unique 1:09 AM - 24 February, 2018
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Dude it says there right when you click on the link:

Tuesday, February 27 at 9:30 AM - 10:30 AM UTC+13

LOL....
Tuesday, February 27 at 9:30 AM - 10:30 AM UTC
DJ Unique 1:10 AM - 24 February, 2018
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event scheduled for February 27

What time is this gonna be please??

Click on FB as "going" and it will show up on your schedule
popnwave 1:15 AM - 24 February, 2018
There's people asking how to figure out the time.. people posting on Facebook can't figure out how to google a fucking time difference.
J.J. 1:24 AM - 24 February, 2018
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With Serato 2.0 on my MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra, I notice that music files from crates get mixed in with other crates eg. some files from my rock music crate gets into my R & B or House Music crates randomly.

Shouldn't this be a bug you report in the Private Beta?
DJ Tecniq 2:27 AM - 24 February, 2018
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With Serato 2.0 on my MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra, I notice that music files from crates get mixed in with other crates eg. some files from my rock music crate gets into my R & B or House Music crates randomly.

Shouldn't this be a bug you report in the Private Beta?
Lol doh🤦🏼‍♂️
Rebelguy 3:02 AM - 24 February, 2018
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With Serato 2.0 on my MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra, I notice that music files from crates get mixed in with other crates eg. some files from my rock music crate gets into my R & B or House Music crates randomly.

Shouldn't this be a bug you report in the Private Beta?


Only if you are actually part of the Private Beta. 🤔
Logisticalstyles 3:35 AM - 24 February, 2018
^^Yep, a lot of people shared it outside of the private beta.