Who is going to the 1st to buy a pair?

I bet $100 within a year I will see a rider for a Turntable DJ that says Tech1200 or PLX-1000

I hope they didn't fuck anything up. Stuff like platter-damping, vibration-isolation, tonearm geometry...

Actually the Technics 1200 was hardly perfect in any of those areas. Just better than any other turntable that was in general use by DJ's.

Dare I dream that Pioneer actually *exceeded* the Technics 1200?

Not holding my breath, and of course reliability takes a long time to establish.

I do like that the tempo range selection is well out of the way (occasionally a user-error problem with the M5G's 8/16 button).

I wonder if those big edm festivals will have a pair of them or if anyone will use em. Maybe just for show. Many do pre recorded sets tho.



Someone gonna be doing a tech 1200 vs plx-1000 comparison video.

Damn this thing looks like a beast! We need a video comparing this w/ the reloop turntable. Pioneer is trying to take over the whole DJ market! $700 suggested price per table though....

Very nice....
Hopefully this will help bring the cost down on second-hand Technics.

One good sign:

Main unit weight 13.1 kg (28.88 lb)

For comparison, Technics 1200 Mk5 weight: 12 kg (26.45 Ib)

Nothing special. If these sell well though, Panasonic may have wished they never stopped production. I still would rather stick with Technics. Literally reinventing a wheel.

Yeah this is a win. If its dope, we have another deck to choose from and the 1200s on craigslist come down in price. If its not, well at least they tried right?

Anybody have the Reloop?

I have a pair of the RP 8000s.........

With no Midi option on the Pioneer PLX-1000, the Reloop's RP 8000 stacks above the PLX, but still I would like to see how the RP 7000 stands up to PLX 1000.

Similar specs between the two. I like the more classic look of the RP 7000/8000 with the "Technics Style" start/stop buttons.

But that doesn't mean that I don't like how the PLX looks... It does look nice.

All these years and no one has yet thought to put an led on the tip of the headshell to see the grooves better =P

It's all about the price....I understand why there are no pads or else how would Pio sell you an sp1.... Pioneer could have been a little different and put the tonearm on the right side and have the platter spin counter clockwise (talking about battle layout)...I'm probably in the minority when I say I've been waiting forever to have a turntable on the left side that mirrors the right.

I'm going to wait 8 months and get the PLZ-1000 when it comes out and trumps the PLX.

lol

13.1 kg, its a few kilograms (about 5 pounds) heavier then the RP-8000s...... With less features.....

A price tag of 1,000 dollars vs the $900 from the RP-8000s.....

I have a feeling Pioneer may drop the price a bit to hit the competition.....

Or they might do the "Pioneer" thing and say........

Pioneer: "F**** all you douches..... buy me because it says Pioneer!!!!"

Correction.....

$699

www.pioneerelectronics.com

I actually might consider switch over to these. My biggest gripe for switching to ST-150's was because of torque and pitch range.

Being the PLX is a 1200 with new engine and increased pitch ranges over the M5G well...

Also I like the fact they recessed the platter because this is one issue I communicate to Stanton because the top of my decks began getting scored from heavy practicing.

The other problem I was having is my target lights were getting beat up when transporting in my road cases.

I would pop them off and put them in my bags for safey.

I was just going to pick up another set and keep them in my DJ bag since they're so cheap.

However, I did like the recessed design better especially once they moved to led's instead of bulbs.

I'm surprised they didn't call this the PLX-1200

what's the wow & flutter on that baby... if it locks @ 0 i'm buying it!

I've noticed pioneer uses the same numbers over and over again for its players.

Yo son choppin' on a 5050 (fifty fifty)...Now that's catchy.

Standardization, now that they make everything.

Midi controllers, effectors, CDJ's, mixers and turntables

Not to mention Serato DJ supported.

It has space for 45 adapters so I'm guessing that it would be easy to pop in a pair of dicers unlike the other options on the market right now. I mean I know Reloop 8000s have midi capability with it's pads but I'm still wary of all in one solutions. What if those pads give out? It would be a hassle to have to send in the whole unit for repairs.

I'll wait for the Nexus version of this ;)

And you know they are going to do it!!! lmao....

This one is too plain... Pioneer has a habit of doing this....

Remember the FIRST pioneer controller for serato.... DDJ S-1........

Not even a year later..... DDJ-SX

A little after that..... DDJ-SZ


The CDJ 900/2000....

A year later..... The nexus versions.........

Pioneer has a habit of making your equipment feel obsolete within a year.... lmao

Does this deck need an earth to the sl2 ,3-4 box

That is another point, no modification to use them.



You would just ground to the mixer.

If this becomes a standard deck, Pioneer is a big company and official sponsorship for DJ events, etc. will happen.

I wouldn't doubt if they make a controller with motorized platters as well.

Another thing really link about this deck is the direct access to pitch ranges.

Instead of having to toggle, you can just get the range you want with one button press.

I think pioneer should sponsor me with all my radio shows and events ..
Www.djtorchman.com

i49.photobucket.com

Unlike other Super OEM turntables, Pioneer didn't add a second start/stop button, adjustable motor, and adjustable brake. I'm guessing Pioneer wants their turntable to perform exactly like a Technics.

^ Precisely

Just with more torque and wider pitch range and led instead of conventional bulb for the target light (much longer service life).

Removable cables which Technics should have done LONG ago.

I just hope that it catches on to all the edm "djs" so this way they can use turntables and incorporate live turntablism into there sets like what A-Trak is currently doing. Or somethin besides hittin those damn buttons.

I guess it all has to do with origin. Coming from a 'turntablist' background it was normal to cut house tracks, etc....

But if you don't come from that background, it's hard to expect it.

Well what I'm curious about now, is will they bring back a 707 or 909 SRT.

That would be interesting....

2 x PLX-1000 + 909SRT + SP1

this makes so much more sense than coming out with a turntable rt now.

it actually makes 0 sense making a turntable. and ive used tts for the last 15 years minus 2 with cdjs to learn them, but never really warmed up to them.

www.pssl.com

Keep in mind, 1200's are used in competitions due to rep but they don't even sponsor these comps anymore.

Hence a new 'official' standard has to be created for club / comp setups.

I think this is their goal especially since they would have the clout to do so.

Can't believe these are not internally grounded.

Guess they really wanted that old school feel....

Yeah, or maybe the schematic for the main board in this configuration would have increased the price.

Also see that they didn't go crazy with the weight, only 28.88 lbs. Love my ST.150's but they are ridiculously heavy and a pain to carry if you gig often.

I haven't felt a better turntable then my RP 8000s...... And I can say that personally having been an owner of many Technics 1200 and 1210.....

However....

The look of this new Pioneer Turntable.... as plain as it is..... attracts me.

I have been on my same 12's since '87. This is the first new turntable to make me pause and take notice. I would have to see how they feel and respond first hand, but I would actually consider purchasing these.

They make you stronger and bigger. Plus people fear you. I toss them around in cases and dudes just look at me now and are like.... alright damn you f'ing strong. ha ha



Torque, torque and torque!

Cats be saying 1200's have enough. I fully disagree now.

1200's feel like laggy old motors to me now.

So a 1200 base with the new motor. GOLD!

I would have even went make to 1200's if Technics had done this.

make = back

Honestly, all day I've been looking at these. Tempted to make a purchase!

Has anyone seen it in person anywhere, PSSL shows they are selling them.

All american dealers, www.pioneerelectronics.com

Canadian distributor is SF Marketing.

I pre-order from the good boys at AGI. I'll let you guys know what I think.

Drool, we want video and pics!

Turntable Porn!

I'm gonna put it through its paces, disassemble it and compare it to my Stanton st 150 and my 1200's. I'll be able to know right off the bat if its a super OEM.

Cool!

DID YOU GUYS SEE THE PRICE OF THESE!!

www.pioneerelectronics.com

WTF did they make those out of??? Ha ha

That has to be a typo.

Wow

There is only one mod I would do to these decks.

When the deck is in start/playing mode the led ring on the start/stop button would be green.

When the deck is in stop mode the led ring would be red.

Pioneer is putting some emphasis on sound quality. Not sure if the other turntable manufacturers are doing something similar.

Sound Quality Design - Features include a heavy-mass zinc die-cast chassis, reinforced 8-mm thick resin bottom section, 9-mm thick vibration-damping material at the base, rubber insulated tone arm, and gold-plated RCA jacks.

They look dope. I mean if reviews are good I just may sell my technics for a pair of these. Gonna wait and see what users say.

one thing i wanna know.....


are they gonna make a PLX-700? or whatever....with the 7" platter.

This sound dampening alone will make it a very good club deck.

What I like about them is they have finesse to them also.

The street price for an M5G back in the early 2000's was $600. Asjusted for inflation that would be about just under $800 in today's dollar, That makes the PLX1000 about $100 cheaper.

The introductory price for SL 1200MK2 was $350 back in 1979. In todays dollar that about $1150.

By those numbers it would appear that super OEM's are priced just over the half price of a new 1200 if 1200's were to be put back in production.

^ Good point.

That was always a contentious point for me when it came to super OEM decks or any other 1200 competitor. I'm glad to see that Pioneer addressed this issue.

We'll just have to wait and see how well the PLX1000 does in the tonearm bearing gimbal , wow and flutter and time keeping departments.

I have Yet to see a 1200 competitor that surpass the 1200 in sound dampening, tonearm bearing performance, wow and flutter and time keeping over long periods of time. I don't have high hopes for the PLX1000 in those aforementioned areas of performance so I woun't be disappointed if the 1200 is still king but there is a small chance.

My main concern is how long the power cord is and I guess these won't need a ground wire?

BTW, Stanton ST 150's are great decks for what they are.

The pictures clearly show configuration for ground wire on the phono RCA's and the power cord.

If you need longer cords you can always buy a short 3 prong extender or buy longer right angle 3 prong power cord

yeah I see it now when I watched again. These really look promising. I though the reloop's looked nice as well but haven't tried them yet

Is it possible to use these with SL3? I see the ground wire connects to the turntable itself but what about the serato box ground?

You would ground them to the mixer just as 1200's or any other turntables that require a ground.

Yes they are and I have used them for 7 years. There is some build issues I brought up to them.

I like how the plx is laid out, and build characteristics. That is why I would switch.

Everything else matches the ST-150 also in terms of motor torque, pitch range.

so since I have the sl3 I would just wire to the box's ground like I normally do with my techs

Right

Do you mind sharing what those build issues are? about the only build issues that bug me are the bearings which are not as good as the 1200's and lose tonearm rest.

Wow I just may sell my technics 1210 MK5's for these. Love the extended pitch range and led's plus the interchangeable RCA and power cord is so convenient👍

PSSL is 8 miles away from me so when I leared (from your post) that they had them listed on their site I called them and asked about the "Pioneer turntable" The guy at the other end sounded baffled and asked me if I was referring to the CDJ's. Hung up the phone and placed an order at AGI Pro.

I'd keep those MK5's till armageddon

ha ha

1) Paint Finish - no clear coat and can be scratched right off, or just wear off in time.

2) Rubberized buttons, when used alot eventually the finish on the buttons will wear off and they become gummy. Should have been aluminum buttons.

3) Target light would be more durable during transport if they were metal and retractable like the 1200 / PLX-1000

4) Recessed platter, the raised design tends to have a little wobble but also what happens it ends up scoring the top deck underneath.

5) Loose tonearm from transport, but I've seen the same happen on 1200's.

4) The pitch range button, having to cycle through the ranges instead of having direct buttons assigned such as the PLX-1000

5) Dicers, mod needed to mount on the turntable due to the second start/stop button.

Hmmm....these might work out...IF I was ever in the market or need to upgrade...

They actually "Look" like what a 1200 MKII would evolve into in the future.

The marketing machine behind Pioneer is a beast also...

Can you imagine the sales pitch?

We have Controllers, Mixers, and Turntables & CDJ's for all of your DJ needs...

Plus you would expect the parts to be around for some time since it's Pioneer....

But they should only build ONE dammit....not come out with a new TT every 3 years.

LOL! My brotha! Something about the "Look"...right?

Not too crazy....extra digitized, etc..etc..right?

Waiting to start seeing comments everywhere about "pioneer quality, so much better than stanton/reloop/etc"
When these seem to just be another hanpin variation.

I'd still choose reloops over these.

Ahh! the gummy buttons. I forgot to mention those. I just cleaned that suff off with diluted alcohol.

I see how you'd be annoyed with a weak finish. I don't gig my 150 so the finish is still pretty good on mine.

If you wanna save your tonearms from transport kill, remove the counterweight when they are on the road, it helps a great deal.

I also like the build of the 1200 tonearm compared to the OEM. My residency on Friday's had MK5's and the tonearm does have a much different feel now that I use them more often.

The PLX tonearm looks just like a technics tonearm, plus the rubber insulation will help as well.

I actually don't know if 1200's even have that.

The Stanton's have in the studio still have a brand new finish.

So if you're not moving them around, they will keep their finish that's for sure.

They might turn out to be super OEM's to begin with.

Even if this turns out to be a super OEM's, then pioneer has at least addressed one sour point with Super OEM's that I had for years which is proper sound dampening. The 150 adresses this with a heavy metal plate at the bottom of the turntable body. Close but no dice.

I was going touch on this next, the ST-150's are sturdy but waaaay too heavy. I mean I'm used to them now but they are still too heavy a deck to be moving around in cases overall.

Yeah, I see your point. The extra weight does help a great deal with feedback, perhaps better so than the inner weight of the 1200's but adds just about twice the weight to 150's and doesn't properly address dampening.

The tonearms on 1200's are of lower mass and have smother bearing so they do feel (to most peolple) lightter and smother than super OEM tonearms.

Gonna buy a pair...i'm sure pioneer took their time with this project...they kept it simple too...no midi pads :-)

But they could have internally grounded it though..... jeeezsus.... How hard could it have been?

I was looking to get some RP-8000s but have heard the platter isn't as sturdy as the Techs...this Pio is getting good reviews from those that have tested the platter...so i know what i'm gettin now :-) kinda disappointed grounding isn't internal too...but the simplicity/beauty is amazing,just like i like my girl lol i'm sold :-)

The platter on my Reloop does have a little wobble.... but only if you are intentionally putting weight on it.... When I scratch or mix regularly I have no problem. I have to literally want to make it wobble to get it to do that.

I guess its easier to see since the platter sits above the turntable body. With the Technics and this Pioneer Unit, the platter is recessed into the body of the turntable which I think minimizes visually seeing the wobble.... But I am sure if I wanted that platter to wobble, it will wobble as well.

Things like this tell me pioneer really paid attention to the King of TT and tried to improve on it but only slightly...another reason i'm getting them...the re-loops also have some major issues i've read about especially;

If you want to use the power off control as a spin-down, it does actually speed up before it spins down.

The start/stop also isn’t smooth , it spins down slowly and then stop rapidly. It doesn’t do this at the full 6 seconds

I'm still wondering if the tonearm is a technics part and will take fit technics headshells correctly.

Knowing pioneer,this should be standard / covered...maybe it blinks in stop mode...we'll see with more vids

Given Pioneer's History with past products....

How many think they will come out with a more "Digital" or "Midi" friendly version in the near future?

that would kill the SP1...ain't gonna happen. Pioneer PLX-1000 + SP1 however is what they were thinking...my 2 cents

Looking at the pictures closely, It appears to me that the tonearm is very similar to the Super OEM's.

we now need a serato certified, dual usb, 2 channel mixer from pioneer to go with these for $1399

An updated version of their DJM T1 would be nice.

Or like the above stated.... a DJM 909SRT....... I would drool

Although space is not an Immediate issue to me with the SP1.... its another thing that I have to find real-estate room for.... and it just doesn't do it for me.... There is no easy place for me to put it. The older Denon Scratch Live Controller Pad was small and thin enough where I could bridge it between my two turntables. With the SP-1 I would need a stand.

An updated version of the dicers would be cool though.... one that can incorporate 8 cue points and the slicer function.

They are technically another variant yes in terms of the motor system, etc...

However, they have done their own improvements. Same thing that Stanton did.

I have one concern with these and it really is a personal preference.

I'm worried that the when pressing on the start/stop button it will have hard clicky feel like on a CDJ and not a smooth marshmellow type feel like on a 1200 which i prefer.

And as for the traditional Pio trend of making a newer version of what you already have just one year after you bought it. Here's the plan. Every DJ in the world writes a letter to Pio saying "DO NOT MAKE ANOTHER ONE UNTIL WE SAY SO." ahahaha

Hey Woody,

If PSSL gets them and the guy actually figures out what you're talking about. See if you can go down and actually get your hands on them.

Frig it!

www.facebook.com

Too late for that. AGI already has my money.

Besides. The PSSL page states that they will have stock on the 29th of next month while AGI states the 15th of next month.

Anyhow, I got in touch with AGI this morning and they are saying Pio's ETA for the the PLX1000 is 8/15/14 but they are not holding their breath so we might not see any PLX1000's for over a month.

True...hopefully no production delays like with the DDJ-SX...was a few months off

As a rental business I'm sold on these after talking to someone who had their hands on the pre production and production units and she is damn picky about turntables.

Not to buy, just get access to them.

I wish I lived in an area that had access to things like this.

One reason I was hesitant about buying Super OEM was pitch riding. An experienced Technics 1200 and Stanton 150 owner mentioned that riding the pitch on the Stanton was abrupt, too quick, harder to correct vs the Technics. This was something I read on DJforums years ago. Hopefully, this Pioneer rides the pitch similar to a Technics.

I've heard the same thing too...especially the platters being as sturdy as the Techs etc etc....i guess pioneer did their homework right on this...i'm in the market for some TT,guess PLX-1000 is it for me.

You have to get used to the torque difference. Once you understand the difference you will adapt.

I just got word fro PSSL that they won't have them stocked till September 1st and AGI is stating they MIGHT have them stocked on the 15th of August at the earliest or not.

I think he is referring to the pitch resolution which is not as good on super OEM decks.

^ I know

What you have to remember what ever adjustment you make will happen that much more quickly because that motor is strong.

It takes some adjustment at first.

The Reloop RP-7000/8000 has a pitch resolution of 0.02 at 8%, 16% and 0.2 at 50%,

+1

I have owned both, technics sl 1200's (I have owned several throughout the years) and a Stanton 150.

It maybe because I play techno (real techno not EDM) that I haven't noticed the pitch latency on my 150. As far as the responsiveness of it, it fees almost identical to the technics.

As to the resolution on the RP8000's pitch. I wouldn't know what it's like in actual use, I don't own one. some one send me a "sample" for me to try. I'll let you know what I think.

haha.... I see what you did there!!! \\O_O//

+1

Dude, I was JUST thinking about this, because I do hella stop/start tricks....

Am I the only one now a days, since the invention of DVS just leaves the turntable running for most the entire set? Unless I am doing a drop...

I think this may be a good thing. When I had a pair of 1200s refurbed, I asked if there are any disadvantage and the tech said the internal grounding doesn't work for some old school mixers. I sometimes use vintage Numarks for shits and giggles so decided to keep ground wires.

One more mod... Reverse kit.

Double tap to spin platter in reverse... :)

The same is true about some actual NEEDLES that don't work well with the internal grounding.

Chances are they are Audiophile needles, so what's the likelyhood of one of you scratch DJ's tearin' it up on a 3K needle, but can't because of the hum...

...but still..

If you are handy with a soldering iron and know what materials to get you can easily make RCA cables that self ground.

they'd be too busy looking for the Scratch button.

while , what a difference reality makes.

I saw the new pioneer plx 1000,

I am summing it up, just by appearance:

1. There will never be another Technics 1200 mk2-5 or 6.

2. Because:

3. Wow and Flutter, and brushless motor: and Analog contacts.

4. Pioneer has integrated the Plx1000 with Serato & Etc., if you know what I mean.


Super Oem Super Oem:


1. They have use the engine from the super oems, ( stronger torque)

2. Better arm dampening. ( no hollow inside) if you know what i mean>

3. platter sits inside , which makes it a must, if you know what i mean>

4. gold plated contacts.

5. super oem pitch.

This is another update of the MK6 , by far means.

I am not telling yall nothing else.

I have taken my mk's apart several times.


6 One questionable appearance is that why did they no change the light.

know why , i do, so that it can be serviced.



7. Its a japan model so yes buy it buy it buy it






3.

5.

^^^ I don't get what you're trying to say up there. ^^^

*****Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

Trust me.....you don't want to go down that road......... :-P

Not internally grounding. Not a problem since the grounding screw is on the the outside. Just run a tiny bare wire from the plug and pinch it to the outer RCA lead.

Better off, it is safer to ground the PLX 1000 to a mixer with two ground terminals.
And make sure the mixer has a 3 prong power cord, that is much safer, since the tone arm are modified already. The 3 prong power cord can carry the ground to earth.
if you get a power surge your table should survive since you are grounding it to the
mixer ground screw.
My mk5s still has a ground wire that are grounded to the professional mixer ground terminal.
Pumping Music at a high volume sounds better if your ground is properly set.
Pioneer design the PLX 1000 that way so use it properly.

Yours truly

Jamming jamster.

Let analog be analog

The ground wire being separate is actually very important for situations where (for whatever reason) the destination device's phono input jack's "sleeve" is not tied to ground. Also for situations where power and/or other equipment is funky.

It's most relevant for playback of real records, where proper grounding may make an important difference in how noticeable background noise/hum is, but obviously added hum even at a fairly low level isn't going to do DVS use any good...

So are you saying that a RP8000, Reloop is a better bang for the bucks!
because it seems to me by looking at the RP 8 , they are internally grounded.

But the tonearm ( Pioneer PLX 1000) wires might be internally grounded and they are not telling us this.
And the ground terminal on the plx might be for the other parts of the turntable housing.

Main issues fix ,, tonearm assembly , platter torque, & wobble, vibration dampening, rca,
ground terminal.

We all know they are are comming out with a digital model.>>>

I believe?

No.

Why is the Reloop RP8000 not a better bang for the buck?

Wondering this myself. I know a friend who has the reloop rp8000 and loves them.

My answer was "no" because I (and most other people) haven't had any hands-on with this new Pioneer turntable.

In the absence of real-world hand-on experiences (and of course reliability data), that question can't be answered.

Here's my 2 cents on the whole matter.... now that its sunday and I have some time..... and I am a BIG lover of my Technics, and I am a BIG lover of my Reloops....

I have owned several Technics 1200 and 1210 models

Stanton ST-150

Reloop RP 8000

So I guess I can speak, coming with hands on experience.

I love the Pioneer PLX-1000's look..... Other then that I have nothing else to base anything off of.... Its looks are cool, but spec wise, I am getting much less features then say what I would from a similarly priced Super OEM turntable.... Or for $100 more, you can get a RP 8000 with all the great features of Super OEM plus digital options.

Now someone mentioned that the RP8000s and 7000s series does have a "speed" up during the power down... As an owner, it is there.... and this is unnoticeable when running DVS and Keylock. Minor draw back and hardly worth putting a negative point but lets give it a -1.

Video of the motor down on my Reloop instagram.com
And another.... instagram.com

Yes option to give it +6 second wind down or start up is there and yea it does kinda get iffy on the breaks when it hasn't winded down all the way at the 6 second mark and it hits the breaks suddenly.... but the option to do it is there. It is a feature. So you can call it a negative point all you want, but you have the power to control your start stop time...... I see none of this on the Pioneer's PLX.

Don't want Midi Functions..... Ok, then you can't knock points off the RP 8000s for having them. You don't have to plug them in if you don't want to use them.

Reverse.... I don't use it, but the option is there....

Internal grounding.... Most of us use DVS and I have not noticed an issue with internal grounding on the RP8000 or my Technics that I have had internally grounded.... Why is this "New" Pioneer unit externally grounded? IDK.... but if you want to call it a "Plus Feature" that it gives you the option to externally ground it then sure..... Lets give the point to the Pioneer.

Weight.... the Pioneer weighs in heavier then Technics which can be a plus in heavy bass environments.... But the RP 8000s weight much less and I haven't had a problem since I have been playing out with them. If the bass and vibrations was enough to effect my Reloops then the Technics next to me would be affected as well.

I will probably get the new Pioneer Turntable but mainly because I like to have options to what I choose to go out and perform with. My Technics stay at home, my Reloops do the heavy work and the Pioneers could be something I leave up in the radio station and take them out on certain gigs. I like the look..... I don't like the price tag. It offers less then what a Stanton 150 has, yet is $100 more expensive. Guess the Pioneer name. Its built off of the Super OEM platform with some of Pioneer's added names and everything.

If the Pioneer's Price-tag on the Turntable was say.... $599 I would be all for a bukakke session on it... but with a price-tag of $699..... its something that I am only happy for.... I am happy that Pioneer is releasing a new generation turntable for DJs like me that love to play on them..... but for the price tag... I am not OVERLY excited about it. I will probably wait for that first set of used ones to be returned to the store.

So Bang for the Buck? I would have to say yes the Reloop takes the bang for the buck IMO.... Have I touched the Pioneer's new turntable..... no...... But if we are basing Bang for buck on Specs and Features... (What else is there to base off of) then I would have to say, from the official Pioneer statement on features and build, the Reloop takes the win.

Unless the PLX has some hidden compartment that we can't see that secretly houses all the digital features.

Spec Sheet for Pioneer PLX
Included Accessories:

Turntable sheet
Slip mat
Dust cover
Head shell
Balance weight
Sub weight
Shell weight
Adapter for EP record
Power cord
Audio cable
Ground wire
Operating instructions

Specifications:

Power Requirements: AC 110-120V/220-240V, 50 Hz/60Hz
Power Consumption: 9W
Output: RCA x 1
Main Unit Weight: 28.88 lbs.
Maximum Dimensions: 17.83” (W) x 6.25” (H) x 13.89” (D)

TURNTABLE
Drive Method: Quartz lock serve type direct drive
Wow and Flutter: 0.1% or less WRMS (JIS WTD)
Motor: 3-phase brushless DC motor
S/N Ratio: 70dB (DIN-B)
Braking System: Electronic brake
Turntable: Aluminum die-casting diameter: 13.07”
Rotation Speed: 33-1/3rpm, 45rpm
Starting Torque: 4.5kg-cm or more
Rotation Speed Adjustment Range: ±8%, ±16%, ±50%
Start Time: 0.3 seconds (at 33 1/3rpm)

TONE ARM
Arm Type: Universal type S-shape tone arm, gimbal-supported type bearing structure, static type balance
Tracking Error: Within 3º
Effective Length: 9.05”
Arm Height Adjustment Range: 0.23”
Overhang: 0.59”
Stylus Pressure Variable Range: 0oz to 0.14oz (1 scale 0, 0.03oz)
Proper Cartridge Weight: Single cartridge: 0.12oz to 0.45oz (When shell weight is used: 0.12oz to 0.22oz)
When only balanced weight is used: 0.21oz to 0.35oz (When sub weight is used: 0.33 to 0.45oz)



Spec Sheet for Reloop RP 8000


TECHNICAL DATA
Type: manual quartz direct drive turntable with MIDI control
Drive: quartz driven upper-torque direct drive
Motor: brushless DC motor
3 speeds, fully manual
Turntable RPM: 33 1/3, 45 and 78 RPM
Turntable: aluminum die casting
Pitch: variably adjustable +/-8%, +/-16%, +/-50%
Torque: adjustable from min. 1600 - 4500 g/cm
Start-up time/tempo change: less than 0.2 sec.
Brake system: electronic brake
Wow and flutter: 0.01% WRMS*
S/N ratio: more than -55 dB (1 kHz, 4mV input)
Admissible cartridge weight range: 3.5 - 8.5 g (incl. headshell 13 - 18 g)
Anti-skating range: 0 - 3 g
2x start/stopp buttons
Adjustable start/stop time (0.2 - 6 sec.)
Power input: 14 W
Power supply: AC 115/230 V, 60/50 Hz (EU/US), AC 100 V, 50/60 Hz (JP)
Dimensions: 458 x 144.6 x 354 mm
Weight: 9.7 kg

FEATURES
Advanced Hybrid Torque Turntable
Digital DJ turntable with upper-torque direct drive
MIDI compatible control section consisting of Trax encoder, 8 backlit drum pads and 4 combinable performance modes (cue, loop, sample and slicer)
Large Trax encoder
Auto deck-assign feature
Turntable link USB port
Digital LC-Display for pitch display, deck assignment and firmware settings
Adjustable start/brake (0.2 - 6 seconds) & torque (1600 - 4500 g/cm)
Metal top panel with metallic finish
Phono and line output (no grounding necessary)
Direct connection of turntable and motor for best possible stability
Especially heavy finish
High end tonearm
Pitch range +/-8%, +/-16%, +/-50%
High resolution pitch fader (0,02% Resolution)
LCD pitch display
Easy to exchange, freely revolvable needle illumination with super bright LED
Quartz lock
Safety power switch
Reverse switch
2 start/stop buttons for vertical positioning
Smart USB link for up to 4 turntables
Rubber inlay for reduction of vibrations and ambient noise
Removable mains and RCA cables
Sunk-in connection cavity for easy case installation
Shock proof feet
Vibration-resistant base
Serato Scratch Live mappings available
Plug'n Play with Serato DJ (min 1.6.2)


For the price...... Again..... You can see it in the specs...... Not overly excited for the Pioneer...... but happy that they are support turntable friendly DJs non the less.

Don't know if anyone saw this video yet....

Watchwww.youtube.com

wow insane video! definitely have not seen this. Thanks man.

I think i read somewhere that it does have an electronic break PLX-1000

I leave it running, use cues or scratch cue to bring it in, and reset the arm as needed. But I can see the button concern if you use that often. Either way I'm sure it would be a minor adjustment to get use to IF the feel is different...

After reading up on the Pioneerdj site.... it is a "squishy" type of button.

From the Pioneerdj site.
"DJ play has been made smoother by minimizing the operational sound of the START / STOP button."

I just hope it brings turntables back into the club as actual options. To often do clubs only have CDJs now or have CDJs and busted ass turntables. Some spots still have technics but hardly enough. I'm on board if pioneer to can do a push to convince venues to supply both cause its the standard and what not.

I'd love for this to happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The word is out that a single device no bigger than a laptop can be used to DJ at a venue, and places are constantly scaling down the space necessary that the DJ can use.

My spot is CONSTANTLY trying to get me to use one of those "Half Moon" tables that my counterparts use when they bring in their controllers.

No, put that back, because I need a 4 ft table at MINIMUM....Thank you very much.

It's most relevant for playback of real records, where proper grounding may make an important difference in how noticeable background noise/hum is, but obviously added hum even at a fairly low level isn't going to do DVS use any good...


Okay i understand your your talk. TECHNICS mks main flaw is the tonearm and cartridge noise.

they fix this with the plx tonearm

you have different ways of grounding electronics

plx 1000. sn ratio. 70 db (good for dvs)

thats cool yall cannot hit on internalgrounding until you hear the unit


the reloop rp and plx cant be compared

way too much effort on a venues part, unless that venue already cares, then they already have that stuff. tts end up as cdj stands and drink coasters everywhere else. i see people stacking em, bending tonarms and have no idea what they are doing or what they aren't(taking care of the tts)

man that new pioneer is already obsolete ,check out the new one with built in air horn effect
djworx.com

The Perfect TT would output it's own timecode signal kinda like the sc3900 for DVS thus saving the needle for an actual Vinyl Record...reading timecode with a needle is a waste.

the whole thing is so backwards. like sony coming out with a new cd walkman.

Maybe or Maybe not>

Laptop Turntable! Its cool for club or regular deejays. But you cant use it in battle style.

The pioneer will never be obsolete. Just use the latest controller and mixer.

But buy the way. What makes the PLX 1000 shine is because it is build like Technics.

Better torque, better tonearm, and by the way platter sits inside which makes a whole
lot of difference when battling.

Back to the basics , ( you can't get better than that).




truly jamming


jamster:

Yeah, the only time I've powered down my turntable when playing in years is when my sleeve caught the switch by accident the other day.

But it took Pioneer to make the Model (blueprint) the the it should have been from
the start.

Even if its hanspin! By the way The are performing as should, and with talent
you should gain you money back .

Like they say what you put in is what you get out!

Just noticed something cool.

The led right goes off when you hit start/stop to stop the platter.

the Nexus came out 3 years after the 2000, not sure where you got a year from

The pitch light should have been blue at 0% instead of green... Hope it can be changed...

Time flies by faster when you get older.... thats my excuse.... lol

I guess I can hope cant I? Its not that much work venues dont install either soundman or DJs come in on their off time to do upgrades so it really depends on who's calling the shots at each venue cause some venues upgrade gear every 2 years around here so maybe In 2 years I will see this bright and shiny toy

hahahahaha, very true!

Anyone notice the platter wobbling constantly when they show Qbert scratching in the promo vid from Pioneer?

He doesn't seem to be heavy handing it and the platter even seemed to slow to a stop at least once in that video.

I'll buy a pair when my 1210's stop working......

it looks like a little wobble but on closer look it's the back and fourth spin....he seems a little heavy handed too imho

i definetly noticed the platter wobbly as he was scratching and you can almost read his face as if he was frustrated, that's what I thought atleast.

Possibly...guess I'll have to watch it again. It just stuck out to me when I first viewed the vid. Then hearing Shortkut talking about the platter not wobbling afterwards.


They've definitely paid their dues and deserve them....but that promo did no favors after seeing the 1000 in action in my mind. To the non-turntable generation it probably did wonders though.

When Shortkut is doin his tricks,it's all good,so i think Qbert is more heavy handed + he's resting his whole palm on the platter...any platter will do that if you're heavy handed....but will def look into that before i grab a pair :-)

Here are some of the latest videos of the PLX on Youtube....

Watchwww.youtube.com


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

Oh here you go... I thought this was funny.... lmao


Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks for the links...TLM killed it as usual

For a European guy, he sounds like he could have came from New York City!

yup

One of my favs. He's very solid on the decks.

sign of the times, lots of DJ's going back to physical media, getting tired of boring laptop based DJing, Pioneer has obviously researched the market well and now responding to what people want. and fair play to them too.

yeah weird huh.
Just go a request for this on a rental for 3 months.
2 PL-1000 and 1 DJM-900SRT.
Normally it
2 TEch 12s and a rane 62

All of the DJs in the videos posted are using the new Pioneer turntables with laptops. 99.9% of the people who will buy them will be using boring laptop based djn lol.

Pioneer needs to make a mixer that has maybe two screens, a usb port and rekordbox dvs. Since cdjs already have those nice big displays, the screens on the mixer will serve the same purpose for turntable users. The mixer will take care of the effects so the onboard rekordbox dvs wont have to be to exhaustive of a software just display the library and the waveforms and song info. And there wont be a need for the laptop beyond file preperation. And if people still want to use their laptops have the same software as well. Win Win for cdj users, turntable users, laptop and none laptop folks. Granted this could take users away from serato with the right marketing unless hopefully serato starts making SDJ embedded and license it out.

And they will be using laptops as well with the Rane 62.

Sorry meant DJM 900 srt

The last guy had the sp1 and dicers. Not sure if they were both connected. That sounds like overkill or nah?

Same setup as Jazzy Jeff and a lot of other Djs.

Some people call my Reloop RP8000s and Rane 62 an overkill.....

I like to have options.... Sometimes its easier to hit the cue buttons or samples on my turntable versus the mixer..... When I am mixing very fast I like to use the buttons on the mixer.

how do you like that RP-8000...i'm looking to get that or this new PLX...how are the buttons?

Love them!!!!! I have absolutely no complaints with the Reloop RP8000!!! I did a pretty good in-def review on this forum a few months back. In short, the Reloop RP8000s give me the best of both worlds.

I to am interested in the PLX even when I own Technics and Reloops.... Some may call me a gear whore. What I am going to do is wait for the first batch of PLXs to hit the market and check out the reviews. Maybe pick up a second hand one after the first batches go out.

Does anyone think it this will drive down the costs of used Technics 1200s?

Yup.

That'll only depend on how good / sturdy these pioneers are compared to Technics...if they're as good then you know Techs will almost become extinct lol...i'm saying this because the CDJ singlehandedly led to many DJs ditching Turntables...now pioneer comes out with an actual turntable!!!!...

if the PLX is as good performance wise as it's sleek looks...you'll buy used good techs for $400 a pair.

Pioneer has declared war on the Techs,thats why they kept it so simple.

Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ

that'll be part of the All White/Platinum/Gold editions lol isn't the SX in various colors? you maybe onto somethin Gaffle :-)

Yeah the rental request is unrelated.

I can tell you for sure rental house will drop techs and maybe even charge more for them.
It's starting to cost to much to fix them. After my last set came back I almost decided to stop renting them. its not the money as much as it's so damn hard to find parts.

Yup...that's what i see coming...

May be one day. (a gold PLX1000)

Or get some more skinz here, if available:


www.12inchskinz.com

how do you declare war on a product that was discontinued 2 years ago?

lol, They're mad at the residuals....

But seriously, Pioneer is in a GREAT position to corner the TT market.

Do y'all see who "Neat" the PLX's are alongside their CDJ's AND mixer?

Don't even start talking about the controllers.....

Man, that brand name will your "One Stop Shopping Spot" in a minute...

What else do they need to corner the market?

In Frenchie's voice - My 1200GLD's ain't worried bout nothin'.

What would you do? A new pair of PLX1000s or a dead mint pair of M5Gs for the same price.

This is unrelated but it's qbert on stanton decks. I thought the platter was gonna fall off while he was scratching.....Watchwww.youtube.com

You can't front the Reloop's are dope!
Watchwww.youtube.com

M5G's all tha way...no contest

Contest hasn't started till we test 'em PLXs lol

LoL... your current astronomical re$ale value is.

((( IF ))) that PLX1000 proves to be defacto for all-things that Technics stood for, why would one care about a 1200/1210? I don't care about nostalgia because the legendary 1200's are discontinued and parts support will only go further through the roof, making them less appealing to take risks with. ((( IF ))) that PLX1000 is 100% as reliable, rugged and problem free as the 1200's were, I'd say a nice RIP to my 12's and just leave them boxed or at home. Luckily, Pioneer didn't make this TT too glitzy with dated LCD displays and excessive buttons. It's nice and clean like 1200's were and have a timeless look about them.

Q?estion: where are these PLX1000's made, in Japan or China?

Considering they're Hanpins....China is a very safe bet.

Mark a +point for Technics.

points for a retired old boy

just like with everything else in todays world nothing is as it was, does pepsi taste the same way it did 15 years ago?

I always find the china debate interesting,
Especially when the majority on this page will be typing on their China manufactured Macbook.

my china macbook is running serato dj flawlessly ……..lol

even my old 2008 pre unibody is working fine with serato dj

Yep and my 'Q' key is popping off right now. :-)

Yeah..... I don't make that comment like I even care.
I just find it amusing because I work in an electronics store where people continually ask me where things are made and China is obviously a dirty word (while they'll throw money at anything with an apple logo)

true story, i'm BAR B Q N

i have this salmon that says wild caught in the usa, But and heres the kicker it's processed in china

They make high quality and great reliable products... justified.

Again, not debating...just stating something I see every-single-day.

Yeah tell me about it...it all comes down to the quality control in each individual factory...Macbooks/iphones/ipads are pretty reliable...and many other products made there with excellent QC.

Yeah.....
with a bunch of staff suicides in between.

there's staff suicides everywhere if you wanna go there...some even show up with a gun right here in the USA

You're right. I'll ask later.

Really, not worth the conversation....
My point essentially is- people equate China manufactured (generalisation) with poor quality when (almost) every apple product is manufactured there,

Foxconn manufacturer a lot of things, but regardless they are chinese and to many people there is a stigma to that...

It looks like we'll be seeing turntables at festivals sooner than we thought... Hmmm, I wonder if Pioneer has anything to do with this and if we'll be seeing the PLX instead of the Technics?


Electric Zoo Announces Vew VINYL-ONLY Stage
www.djmag.ca

nm

More then likely we will see increasingly more Pioneers IMO....

Which is sad in a way.... I am happy that they are keeping the tradition alive and bringing that turntable look...... And Technics will always still be a part of it.... but...

Other companies have done this..... Other companies have put out BULLET proof turntables. Staton ST-150, Reloop RP8000s incorporating the BEST of both words....

But...

Although they all received ALOT of positive reviews and attention.... they didn't not spark the hype or controversy of these Pioneer Decks..... And the Pioneers haven't even been released yet, so we don't know how well they will do.

I just wished that more attention was brought to the other companies... Pioneer is a HUGE name in the industry but they are without flaws in their products just like any other.

They may have not been the first to put out of Serato Controller... but the hype they got when they did far surpassed others in my opinion... Even though they didn't really do or invent anything new.

Hanpin's design has been proven and perfected and copied dozens of times... But only now after Pioneer has decided to join the game, are people going....

"Ooooooo Turntables!!!!! Yes A new Turntable!!!!"

Well before the PLX there was......

Reloop RP8000/7000 and the 6000s before them.....

Stanton ST-150 and STR-150

Audio Technica 1240s and variants

Numark USBTTX and the Regular TTX before that

The original Hanpin Design...

Vestax PDX series of super high quality turntables......

All are battle proven and time tested, yet I don't think they go the hype that this Pioneer PLX is getting.

Not many was talking about "Replacing" technics in official competitions or festivals with the Reloops or Stantons...... But they are talking about it now with the PLX.... Its like the others before the PLX didn't even exist....

Turntable Racisism!!!!!!

Ehhh.... Here's my beer.... right were I thought I left it....

Brand Name power and Marketing...but i also personally Love their gear.

I'm in the Market for some new TT...def gonna check these out & RP-8000s

There it is...

I mean, if you think about it...

WHO has been the leading Brand Name in DJ related equipment related to manipulating the musical media?

Pioneer with their CDJ's.... period.

Now they're large in the controller market..

And now they make what looks like a black 1200? No futuristic bells and whistles, but the stuff cats were DYING for Technics to do in the first place? (i.e. Extended Pitch range, Replaceable RCA"s and Groud Wires?)

Man, it ain't hard to tell...

I never got into the others because of the looks were cheap'ish to me:

The Numark had that bright aqua bubble that looked gimmicky and skinny tonearm weight that didn't look legit.
The early Stantons turned me off with the look and feel.
The Vestax "line" had about 300 iterations of turntable in a short amount of time. It's like they couldn't get it right.
The Audio Technica's were sold in Circuit City or Best Buys so that never sat well with me. Didn't seem legitimate.

... This PLX1000 looks serious

At one point you were able to buy Technics at Home Depot and Circuit City.

Oh yeah, I forgot. WalMart sold 1200's too.

www.cratekings.com

This is not an entirely true statement. We all know everyone has been trying to make a technics replacement.

However, all the hanpin variants did not stick to the build of a 1200's.

This is just my opinion, but it's not just the Pioneer name. It's their implementation of the hanpin build that has got them the hype.

Listen, when the Reloop's were coming I was hype but then to find out they are basically ST-150's without the dampening, etc which concerns me.

Don't get me wrong, I think the midi button implementation is great! However....

If they would have done this with then 7000 series and then added the midi buttons ala 8000 this is where they would have killed Stanton too...

I'm even surprised Stanton didn't build their ST series like this.

One thing I learned from the demo videos posted is you still have to toggle the pitch ranges.

I thought the lighted buttons directly controlled that. :(

I emailed Novation and they haven't tested with the PLX series but they mentioned if the hole dimensions are the same, it should not be a problem.

Do you think Festival DJ's will transition from playing on CDJ's to Turntables in the near future? This should be interesting! I want to see famous djs go off beat and then blame it on the wow and flutter! Hopefully their sets get recorded and posted on Soundcloud! Do you remember hopping on a turntable for the first time and it was hard to get down beatmatching but it really took a lot of practice. If these decks make it to the stages, I really see a change in the game! Not to be a pessimistic, but I waited too long for this day to come. CDJ's will get pushed to the side and used for drink coasters. Lol.... Let the real mixers rise!

The Technics were established and legendary status. They had nothing to prove.

^^^^This ALL day....

Everything else looked like it was trying to be "Too Futuristic" and paint themselves into a corner years later with nobody having replacement parts...

The Pioneer looks like the "Logical" big brother of the Technics 1200. I mean, even the fact that they have a hole for the 45 is cool.

it looks like a turntable, it's not "Built' for playing in "Battle" position, because SOME cats might really want a regular Turntable without all the extra hype.

Midi buttons (to me) are just devices that can go wrong, that if you want them to work if broken, you have to send in your ENTIRE turntable, versus a module, or separate device.

The simplicity of the 1200 has lasted for YEARS....that's huge.

Very true unless you're a tech and do the repair yourself.

I have been doing some digging online and it seems some European and Japanese retailers are saying that the PLX1000 will out late Aug or early Sept while AGI's page for the PLX1000 is stating mid Aug and PSSL is stating that they'll have them stocked Sept 1st. Its quite conceibable that we won't see this puppies for over a month.

Yup...Sept is more realistic from what i've read too...unless you grab a pair from the production floor in china mid august lol

Sucks. I pre-ordered. I guess I'll just have to wait.

On the festival thing. Pioneer will start giving them away to the festival sound companies to get them out there. But I doubt you'll see the big guys move back to turntables. Tiesto at one point said he wasn't even going to use CDJs anymore, just his Ableton puck pr pac 40. Turntables don't bring much to the true electronic music scene and it's been around outside the US for a long time. It's sort of the Soccer of music.

Untrue Atrak is still rocking tables. They moves away from it for different reasons. I think some will adopt it again or we will start seeing more turntable acts at festivals and it will allow DJs like myself to finally get a break in a scene where turntable guys are automatically considered hiphop DJs without even listening to us play a set. This is a win and will become a pioneer fan boy if their marketing push for turntables at festivals work because it will likely reverberate through the rest of the industry that turntable DJs are actually worth the hype now cause they head line at huge EDM festivals. I call this a win.

Many of the big techno dj's have been making the move back to turntables. But I don't think it's enough. But even more are switching to Traktor along with a pair of X1's.

The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.

not if you have sync enabled in Serato DJ or Traktor

What would then be point of having 4 turntables?

You don't have to have SYNC on ALL the time, but for those sometimes complicated maneuvers and speed sets that some of us do, it helps.

MDS I think I know what you are getting at: hit sync on a deck while you man complex combination of parameters and moves which is fine by me but thats not what I'm getting at. What I mean is, why bother with turntables if you need to beat match 4 main sources and further layer them, potentially having to deal with more than 4 turntables and beat match all of by ear which is virtually impossible when you have that much going on. It would just be impractical even if you sync everything and I have never seen it done.

:cues jeff mils video:

nnothing is impossible , you beatmatch 2 turntables in sync mode, but if you loop with bars much better. set other tables for sound and effects in sync mode and record 70 minutes edit 2 second mistakes

post on youtube

i always mix in sync with 4 analog tables in sync mode. in timecode

,ihave 14 wheels of steel

I like how noobs assume that no one mixed on 3 or 4 decks before controllers and sync...

Yes on this. I got one name for you.

Cameron Paul
I got another radio show for you.
KDAY friday mix shows.

both 6 turntables

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

Yup,there's guys out there who do things that many think are impossible...they work so hard to get there

Not enough.
three turntable requests out of over 54 Djs for a festival is not enough.
that's an average festival.

There's only 2 edm dj's that I know of rocking tables and that's atrak and Dj snake. Most edm DJS use cdj's and it's been like that for awhile. But hopefully Pioneer will push that bar and market them during big festivals. Who knows. I am not a fan of cdj's or controllers but i am a fan of my 1210's 😊

Notice I previously typed "The way DJs like Speedy J play". The way he (Speedy J) does it is with long (sometimes very) on beat transitions and is dissimilar to Jeff's style.

For the look we are entertainer everything is considered a prop at this point. The public can associate based on your props or what they normally see with. Like Steve Aoki and his cakes.

well he's cool but, believe it or not>

If feels very natural when your are mixing with real tables, and blending in scratching
at the same time.

Watchwww.youtube.com

AIN'T NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING

Timecode and vinyl:

Best turntables are: ( RP8000 and Plx1000)

Discwasher D3 record cleaning system

Thud Rumble & slip mats

best fader ( non contact


if you know what i mean

If people want to mix like mechanics !

so well be it!!!

Pioneer will probably push to be the next contest standard; DMC, Red Bull, Master Of Mix where turntables are the weapon of choice.

This is the point I was raising previously.

true to the point because: 3 reasons

Pioneer PLX has the best tone arm: (from the 1200's but insulated) no adjustments needed

Pioneer PLX has the best platter style DMC

Pioneer PLX has the torque ( that the DZ1200 should have gotten)

But when it comes to hands down mixing with, different slip mats,

syncs and pure pitch control and battling ,you cannot go wrong with the RP8000

That computer analog turntable is so dam magnificent:

Best scratch turntable is the Stanton str8-150, record burner

I posting a master mix next week ,freestyle mix, called: 50 Jams

Every thing will be looped accordingly.

this is what I am going to do on my PLX1000 or RP8000 :

I am still deciding which pair should I buy! in the future


50 Jams will drop on July 30 2014 on sound cloud.


Remember it is no how strong you are but how you play the game:

i am ending this discussion permanently


PLX-1000 Official Introduction PART1



Watchwww.youtube.com




your truly

jamster

freshest jams for life

see you next week on

Post you Mix

Gonna wait for the pioneers and use dicers...i'd hate for the buttons to die on the RP-8000 and have to send in the whole unit...plus the PLX look sleek as hell :-)

You know all this from watching a Youtube promo video?

Hmmmm....

Blaaaaaah..... I'm drunk......... that is all...........

quote from a DJ that tested this vs the MK5G;

"The platter has a bit more 'torque' as well, at least as I feel it - I haven't got the actual tech-specs to hand. But by and large it is the same deck as the MK5, only without the headaches you get from poorly calibrated analogue pitch faders/pots."

There you have it...pioneer has built something better than a Technics MK5G at least...the insulation should help a lot with Club vibrations.

Looks like Pio really did their homework.

Beside the PLX 1000 nobody suspects Pioneer to build an associated scratch mixer soon ???

Why?
1. Because turntables are mostly used by scratch djs
2. Pioneer has already scratch mixers but they are old (707 and 909) and not fully aligned to their current strategy (DJM T1, no more partnership with Traktor )
3. Pioneer can now use timecode with Serato (DJM 900 srt and DDJ SZ)
4. Pioneer has picked up the legendary Dj QBERT and SHORTKUT to promote the PLX 1000 !!!
5. A Serato scratch mixer is the only missing product in the Pioneer offering (the DJM 900 SRT is not built for that)

Since there is no midi controls in the PLX 1000, my guess is that there will be for sure a kind of DJM S1 which will be directly in competition with the Rane 62 !!!

my 2nd guess is that there is be also a 2nd version the PLX 1000 (because Pioneer likes to have many models and this turntable lacks some midi features like the Reloop rp 8000) but way later because Pioneer will analyze the market before investing much money of that tight and competitive product segment.

My only wish is that Pioneer builds a motorized platter media player !!! a mix between the cdj 2000 nxs and the denon sc 3900 with a 9" platter.

a 2 channel Mixer is more realistic from pioneer than a moving platter type player....denon should be working on improving the sc3900 design.

CDJs work pretty well and they're not going to change that.

909SRT with the same crossfader as the original..... My Rane 62 will have an early retirement from center stage!!!!

*Ducks from Rane Moderators*

I said it awhile back, you might see the 707 and/or 909 reborn as updated SRT models.

Anyway, Pioneer better get these in peoples hands and routine videos up.

Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.

The reality is this turntable will become the new club standard simply because it has the Pioneer name on it, and as you can see people are already calling it better an a Technics....

I just want to get my hands on to see for myself.

and that it "Looks" like the logical successor to the Technics 1200.

The real question is how does it perform? How long will it last? How many original CDJ1000s are still floating around in useable condition?


+1

Many top DJs have tested it already,thanks to pioneer and they all agree Pioneer did a pretty good job in comparison to technics.

Do you think Pioneer really gave them like some money on the side and was like.... "I want you to praise this product and only praise this product"

or are they allowed to give their full unbiased opinion on it.

I know one that doesn't take money and will tell a manufacturer to shove it as well as praise a good product when the manufacture has been a dick to them. I trust that opinion and they have seen some prototypes and the production model.

+1 seriously guys, you are buying into the Pioneer marketing machine a little too easily. I'll wait for a TechTools review or something, not commercials made by Pioneer.

I'm just saying, this would be the best time EVER for Pioneer to get it right. They could conceivably take over the DJ market if this PLX-1000 does what it's supposed to do.

i just dont see the market being there. what is the market at this point? i probably see, maybe 50/50 djs over 30 using tts and under 30 maybe 30% at most. Its a cheaper alternative than cd players which helps PLX1000, but for under 21s, this, IMO, makes no sense considering the portability and usability of controllers and cd players.

You have a valid point, me and a partner of mine were arguing about Pioneer possibly revitalizing the turntable, and he brought up a good point.

Chances are, the MOBILE DJ's probably wouldn't opt to go from a controller to Turntables, for convenience sake, and not having to troubleshoot a bunch of different issues vs. having a controller.

However, the CLUB DJ MAY implement the turntables, but then again, CDJ's are SKRONG out there, so who's left?

Bedroom DJ's? DJ's who never went to CDJ's?

Historically, it was CHEAPER to get turntables (before controllers became the rave) vs. buying 2 Pioneer CDJ's....

Now the logical CHEAP solution is Controllers.....

But will the next step up still be considered CDJ's or Turntables, assuming Pioneer did their homework...

Regardless, Pioneer has CDJ's on lock, a large part of the Mixer slice on lock, and a large part of the controller slice on lock....

Even though the young DJ's are using controllers, I still get a ton of DJ's asking about turntables when they see me spin.

So I think the interest is definitely there, it all comes down to accessibility and pricing.

Fuck it. When I run into some cash, I'm gonna retire my 1200s for a pair of these.

Comments like this is why I find it interesting that people are suddenly considering dropping techs, for these. That may have never considered anything else from Hanpin....

I might try em out, but I will never retire the 1200's

Was it ever 100% verified they are OEMs?

I think the hype comes mostly from a recognized/respected brand (Stanton and Numark aren't always portrayed in a good light).

I've thought about Stantons, and Reloops, but something seemed "off" about them. These "look" right. The weight seems right, everything that I see in the pics look 100% like off the shelf Technics parts tonearm wise, but this can change as well, considering they're mostly CGI renders.

I love my Techs, no matter how long in the tooth they are, unfortunately, I sold EVERY. NEW. PAIR. I bought, so I had to look around for a decent set of 2nd hands. I like, once in a while, to open something brand new, and these look like what I want.

You gotta admit,they make good products that hold their value...so it's not all hype...they do have the money/R&D power to take on the Tech and finally make it ancient history....there's even a rumor,they bought the original blue prints/patents of the Tech from Panasonic.

The difficulty in finding parts for Techs is going to make the switch to PLX an easy logical choice especially if what we're hearing in comparison to the Techs holds up.

Remember what the CDJ-1000 did to turntables??? these guys do their homework and i wouldn't call it just marketing.

I wasn't feeling the other Super OEMs. They are all gimmicky in their own way. In my opinion, at least for this model, Pioneer is doing what Technics was doing right all along. They made a HiFi analog turntable that sounds good. It should. It's supposed to play records. It doesn't hurt that they look good.

Been seeing a lot of Techs going up for sale lately on craigslist. Couldn't find a single one before I bought my ST.150's.

its funny because for a long time i saw good deals in my area with techs on craigslist(bought a pair of mk5(not G) for 900$. now for some reason they have gone back up, people looking for 4-600 for new mk2's. sorry if you missed your window, but can't wait till they dive down around 250$ per.

Guess it depends on where you live, these dudes in STL are trying to sell broken mk2's for $1000+. Said F that and bought a brand new pair on ST. 150's for $900.

Deciding on getting a Rane 62 or picking up the Pioneer Tables.

if you ever want to see whats in your region on clist. (you may know about this, but ill assume some do not)

www.searchtempest.com

wider pitch range
stronger motor
replaceable rca's
digital out


pretty much the ttx from 10yrs ago, just in 1200 clothing.

Humanaity is hard to predict, easy and efficiency gets boring and people especially ones that are really into something will usually use to step it up and learn to do things more skillful way, which is usually a lot more fun. Sure there will always be lazy or unskilled people defending the need for skill when technology can do it. But it is still the same reason we use to watch humans do things like art, sports....etc. instead of robots. I believe the fun of DJing on turntables will bring the turntable back to popularity. :)

I had a quick look at techs on ebay here in Aus to see if there was any price change.
They're still completely all over the place, some people have a single battered mk2 for $1000, others are selling decent pairs for $1200.
I feel like a lot of people just heard all the stories about them being discontinued and just decided to throw them up and see if they can get some kind of huge amount.

Lol yup. Just like flappy bird.

Did I miss something?

Theres def no digital out...

yeah, that's my bad..i see they kept it analog.

Aitte, no probs....HOWEVER, If they DID have that as an additional OPTION, I would not have been mad....like almost guaranteed to have picked one up...

I can see Pioneer coming out with a "hybrid" digital one soon in the future.... they wont let Reloop RP8000 be the only Serato Native Hybrid Turntable.... It would be very "un-pioneer" of them....

pioneerdj.com

THIS rite here will be their main selling push....

One stop shopping...

My arms arnt wide enough for all that.... lol

that's one thing I'm scratching my head at... why didn't they just do that in the first place???

an analog TT, with no type of digital interaction with a DVS system. (and no internal ground at that).

just makes me wonder what was going on in their heads in the R&D department.

Because it basically wouldn't have stopped there...

Cats would have been like, well since there's a digital output, why not keylock?

Then, why not a midi out?

How about just a few midi buttons....etc..etc...

I think they did good with duplicating the last things that Technics had, and improved on them, IF the testing stories are true...

Wouldn't Digital Out be counter productive and pointless since vinyl is analog? Also, most vinyl purist want that analog sound. Even with a Serato Box or Mixer you're still getting the sound from the box/mixer and not the turntable so even then Digital Out would be pointless. If you're talking about something similar to HID, than might as well get a controller.

Exactly.

The argument can definitely be made, but since this is the digital age, and EVERYBODY I know who uses a turntable is digitizing vinyl (or needs to), so they can leave their vinyl treasures at home out of the heat.

But again, that is starting down the slippery slope of "Well, they could have added <insert feature here> as well, it wouldn't have cost that much", plus the AD conversion probably would have driven the turntable price up......

i could see if we were talking about another company... but Pioneer of all companies keeping something basic and simple.... it just kinda threw me for a loop, that's all...lol

Ha, they were probably arguing over what "new" feature to put in there, probably couldn't all agree on "Everything", and said, Eff it, lets just put out a Technics clone first....and see how that goes...

Didn't they just have a recall on one of their new controllers?

yeah, well the good thing about buying a turntable that is simple and basic without a bunch of bells and whistles is that you don't have to worry about something bigger and badder coming out six months later and them dropping support and leaving you hanging...

I've actually just celebrated my 10yr anniversary with my ttx's and they are spinning just as good as the day i bought them... once those suckers die, then i might look into these... i gotta admit, PLX-1000 is sexy than a mofo!

This....

Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........

disturbing...lol

I'm mad that you equated yourself to a "Needle" but hey.....lmao.

It is!

lmao... i was thinkin needle dick when i read that

Threw you for a Reloop??? lol

But basic and simple is smart for those that love simplicity...then later on it'd be nice if they come out with the intergrated multi colored MIDI buttons + Color LCD screen+Network connectivity+ability to read usb drives and play them directly using pioneer time-code without need for a laptop...just run your tracks through rekordbox and set your cue points which light up on the buttons when you load that track.

Switch to Serato time code to use your laptop+serato cue points...this would be the perfect TT to me and would slowly kill the CDJ lol

lmao... Aint the size of the nail but the power of the hammer behind it!!!!! In his case.... Immma put 9grams of tonearm counterweight behind that needle.... Dig all into her grooves.....


Hows that for disturbing??? lmao

Oh, you win...lmao.

Some new video....

Watchwww.youtube.com

How come I can never host these things........ What is the criteria.....

I really think they held back on their "personal" opinions in that last video....

I like how the chick in that video just stands there, looking like she has no idea what's going on most of the time.

she's baddd though! haha. damn can't wait to get my hands on a PLX.

and YES!!!! the Dicers DO fit in the adapter space!

I can't believe Pioneer allowed the straight tonearm suggestion in a promo video.

LOL……

pioneer was stupid to have that girl in the vid also

Thats what I had beef with primarily in the video though..... I could have done a better job drunk off my mind....

Say that *ish again...

Dem eyebrows tho :O

Yeah what's up with the straight arm comment? I least we know the people they have in the videos are honest.

He was saying as a scratch DJ he prefers a straight arm, i'm guessing he has the Stantons...but otherwise it's as good as the Tech but with more torque...which is what i've been hearing too.

Just heard it on radio the other day, full brow is coming back.

Qbert and Shortkut seem to approve? youtu.be

yes. that was the first video that was posted about the plx.

I'm going to work on getting these in my residency. There is an old set of 1210MK5's there right now that I already serviced.

Any updates on availability of these PLX-1000s'...pre-ordered one from Zzounds but they have non in stock...

I was wondering where the heck this thread went. I couldn't find it with search so I had started a new one.

technics is back?
serato.com

Not really actually....they're just going to make home theater type of stuff as far as i understand

it is said pioneer bought the original patents thus this PLX-1000...many DJs who've tested it say it is just like the 1200's and more...anyway,will wait for mine to arrive and post

I wouldn't read into that....

wasn't technics the sister company to another popular band of electronics?

yes they were now that i think about it technics is panasonic brand

Technics was a subsidary to Panasonic as mentioned, technics was mentto be their luxury brand for EU and US markets

Looks like there is going to be a delay on the Pioneer PLX , I asked a few places , now it looks like shipping is 1st or 2nd week of September . anyone has other news on shipping ?

Forget about early September....just found out the reality is now end of September...this is just like when we Pre-ordered the DDJ-SX and waited for 3-4 months smh

You would figure Pio should announce a product, state a general availability date like 3rd quarter 2014 and then release a definitive availability date after the shipping containers have hit the ports here state side and in Europe, but nope, the decks will arrive from the containers to the distributors and then we'll know a for sure date.

If you ask me we are at the mercy of the logistics of foreign manufacturers and the brands they manufacture for.

its not a merical wonder drug your waiting for so I don't see the panic

There's no panic. Its a direct crtitsism of Pio's and other big brands' modus operandi.

criticise away

with port delays, world chaos, etc, solid launch dates are usually wrong anyway.

Mid September for me. I got my DDJ-SX, SZ, 900SRT, Rane 64 & DDJ-SP1 all from the same place and they all came when they were supposed to. Anyone get any good deals on their PLX-1000's?

White people problems

Some people got theirs. I know DJ Nonsense who works at GC in Texas I believe posted a pic on Facebook today with 3 of them new in box.

Yup Guitar Center got them.

I may have been wrong about DJ Nonsense posting them but my other friend at the GC in San Francisco posted a pic of 9 of them new in box and ready to sell.

I Can't wait. Honestly I definitely won't be the first with one and I am ok with that for the prices I get my gear for. I am just happy I am getting a pair and ca not wait to compare to y 1200's & 1210's................................


Never heard of em'

I wonder is we shall see a return of the m44-7H with the pioneer headshells

According to GC website, they're available at stores around me (at least three pretty close stores)

I think the H stands for the included Technics Headshell no? Would that make it M44-7HP?

GC must have bought the first batch. That would explain delays at other stores.

the H just ment headshell, they discontuined them due to parts shortage

Cats need to learn how to mount headshells....

Period.

They would definitively be the biggest bulk buyer.

Since they are in stock around me, I kind of have an itch to get some, but my 12's are still in pretty decent shape (albeit 15 years old).

If cats could mount headshells it'd be a purrfect world we live in

They usually get first dibs on Pioneer gear.



Doesn't hurt to have some actual knowledge on the build of (and rebuild) of TT's> I have had to do some basic wire repairs on the fly before. Such weedle wires too LOL.



Did they ever come with anything but Technics Headshell? I've never seen one?

If you guys want one or two of these you better run to Guitar Center quick, they have limited quantities. I was just there and picked one up for my self. They said they only had 4 more. This things are just gorgeous.

I just put mine through a battery of test and I must say I am very impressed. Pioneer did a fab job on these. They are 95% like the king although my deck did not meet or surpass the original in the tonearm bearing department (still pretty good nonetheless), however it did surprisingly well in the keeping speed department (zero pitch locked quarts stayed in sync for over 7 minutes).

I give it my seal of approval.

I uploaded a few pics:

s1303.photobucket.com

Technics is still king but by a hair.

I'll have better pics tomorrow.

Looks nice!

Take a screwdriver to it and see what makes it tick

In do time. Since it holds speed exceedingly well, I suspect a redesign of the super oem motor control or a new motor drive altogether.

So far, just from the look of it, it seems to share the super oem platter and most of the tonearm assembly.

got enough gear yet..lol

LMAO

Good one...lol

NEVER!!! That's not even 1/4 of it ha. It is a sickness I admit but I can't help it. If anything I can say it keeps all my gear fresh. I have a Urei 1620 and 2 1200's that look like the day they were opened because of this!! LOL

LOL I didn't even see what he did there. I should have known to look for it as it was from Sparky LMAO.

I will say I wish companies like PIO did it like Apple does. Have the big announcement and the stuff is on sale the next day usually. Stock might not be super high, but at least you aren't holding your breath for a street date.

+1

Agreed. It would eliminate a lot of confusion. case in point; I called AGI Pro to cancel my pre-order since their availability date was pushed back to Sep 12 (they blamed Pio) and the guy at the other end warned me that if I try to pre order again I would be bumped to the back of the line, I then told him I had just picked up a PLX1000 at guitar center and he was utterly surprised Guitar Center had them in stock, prior to that revelation he was insisting that I will not be able to get a PLX1000 in months unless i pre ordered. Whatever, I canceled. Its not my fault Pio kept them in the dark.

How much $ at AGI Pro and how much $ at GC? final cost out the door if you don't mind. Sorry if I am being forward I just want to make sure I get the best deal possible is all.

You would probably get the better deal at AGI as you have to pay sales tax at GC.

With most products, companies have a hierarchy of who gets priority for the stock. Usually based on their turnover in that companies products.

Some companies are starting to come around to the announced/released at the same time thing though. HTC did it with the M8, it was (theoretically) available 20 mins after the announcement.

So you wish all companies had theyre own distribution? the pio-store, the akai store, numark store etc? With no other brands in the shop like apple does it, and even further price markup? You do realise there is NO MARKET for that whatsoever?

Having full controll of the entire delivery chain is the only way a manufacturer can hope to garantee release dates ;)

Nope Thats not what I meant. Consistency would be nice. Small companies Like Festool do it all the time within a margin of thee two or weeks all the time so I know it can be done.

If you have one supplier telling you you won't be able to get your hands on a PLX1000"for months" all the while the stuff is ready for the taking at guitar center than something not working out.

Just so that you know the PLX1000 that I have was shipped directly to guitar center from Pio.

How about a drift test?

Play at a specific pitch both up and down on the PLX1000..Play that same track on a controller or CDJ simultaneously at the same pitch and see how well it holds outside of quartz lock...curious on the results.

I heard it was pretty good at this^^^^^ I think I saw the comment on YouTube or dj worx.

I'm guessing with limited availability, prices are around suggested retail ~$699? Wondering if they'll come down in time and by how much?

I don't think this is a supply chain problem. I think this was more of Guitar Center buying the entire first shipment to have the exclusive on the product for the next month or so. They did the same with the recently released QSC Touchmix 16 mixer.

buy a controller you relic

If you do the leg work you can already find for less than this.

They should come with cartridges just for principle.

Seeing those photos up close, I can see now that it's the super-oem tonearm as well.

controllerist (feel stupid for even typing it)
would think its a usb drive

Gotcha Woody.
Guessing GC understood that these are gonna outsell the reloop. So they struck a deal with Pio.

$899 in Australia but the re loops are $699 here. I really want a set of turntables again.

im waiting for the first set of professional reviews first before i consider buying them.

Don't you know how to mount a drive?

Lol ;)
(Solid reason ro get a mac... ;)

a little more than 600 with disc at GC.

After tax?

plus tax

Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.

i never EVER buy from guitar center! EVER!

wait a minute i'm lying…….lol

i did buy two of the limited edition red sl3/red marble vinyl/usb watch from them


but i made a nice profit when i sold the 4 marble vinyl's …..

meet one of the guys, they have a discount. in my area, people seem to be pretty cool with it.

Oh hell yeah. On a local level they are a life saver. For the money saving though I found myself a little gem. They have been a life saver and have saved me TONS of cash over the past 2 years. EVERY piece of gear I have I got for the lowest price I have seen anywhere to date and the PLX's are no exception. 900SRT 1899, Rane 64 1799, DDJ-SZ Not allowed to say but less than the lowest I have seen elsewhere which was $1750. Much more gear purchased for LOW $. All of these are OUT THE DOOR (no tax / no shipping) But yeah................... to avoid claims of advertising I will say PM me for name. I have sent MANY people their way from these very forums and many out there already know the site name.


Again NOT tryin to advertise as I have nothing to gain from this but I am trying to spread the savings to my fellow DJ's.


P.S. they are no longer an authorized retailer of Rane gear so if you are looking for a Rane 64 (or other Rane gear) for cheap they can not help.

I wonder why they stopped selling Rane products.... :-/?

I don't. I know They got in trouble for selling stuff for so cheap need I repeat the Rane 64 for $1799................. I haven't seen a price like this since then and that was at the time of release.

No worries though............... Pioneer gear is better. LOL Just teasing. Although I DO prefer my SRT over my 64. BOTH are great mixers though.

Actually at the fear of rumors let me clear this up. I don't know KNOW this to be truth BUT the timing was WAYYYY to coincidental. I had gotten the price. Bought the mixer. Posted on these very forums (at the time) the price. They stopped carrying Rane and I was asked (politely) not to mention the prices directly publicly LOL. Which is why I try not to post anything new and ONLY price I had previously posted. Furthermore I try not even PUBLICLY post the name of the place either although I will give a hint............. it IS on this page here LOL www.pioneerelectronics.com so warranties & support (or whatever it is called over at Pioneer's neck of the woods is called LOL) is all intact.

Pioneer mixers are not for me.... Unless it's a 2 channel battle style mixer like the 909...... It's unnecessary for a DJ like me to have 4 channels.

Until Pioneer comes out with a 909SRT I will stick with my 62.

I hear ya. 4 channels are a MUST for me. I used to have the 62 and I loved it. Only issue I ever had was the cue buttons. Not that the 64's are any better LOL but this is what my Sp-1 is for when I am using the mixers instead of the controllers.

You dont even need them bro.lol

Hit me up for pricing next time. Depending on the gear I can get you good pricing at GC. Usually cheaper then anywhere else.

I am a gear whore......

nuff said.....

Allow me to satisfy my whoriness

lol

Can you get prices on the PLX-1000's? I MIGHT pick up two more and am always open for better pricing.

set it up today, looks basically like a tech felt heavier(i guess it is 2lbs heavier). my dumbass got to the venue and forgot carts though, ill take it through its paces tomorrow nite however.

Awesome. What are you gonna use? The Shure m44-7's I am guessing?

yeah, they come with 1 headshell and actually a high quality slip mat. i have 4 44-7s with techs so i replaced one with the pioneer shell. looks pretty nice in silver with my techs at home.

Let me know How well does the extra damping in the tone arm perform in loud and high vibration enviorments.

Pm me your email

I was surprised but my GC was happy to discount these w/ the sale they had going on last weekend (15% off each).

Warning though: be careful cutting through the tape on the cardboard box. The dust cover is right underneath the top of the box and I accidentally scratched the cover of one with my knife when I was cutting through the tape.

Good to know. Thanks for that bit. I should be getting in any day now. How do you like them?

The DJ section of Pioneer was just sold off.. wonder what this means for future runs of the turntable.

sold off to who? that could be a bad thing depending on who purchased it

Seem hush hush who the buyer is, but its in the news: www.reuters.com

well i guess we will see, but like i said could be a bad thing for example gemini buying pioneer rebranding gemini products as pioneer

Learned on a controller and finally got the skills/funds to justify a move to vinyl so my opinion doesn't count for much... but I'm liking them.

any chance technics purchased them, now that would be interesting
www.facebook.com

we can hope right?

ugh, Pioneer going to hell!!!! lol

this could be pretty huge especially for other companies like Denon if word gets out that someone like Gemini bought Pioneers DJ end

Wow, the Pio DJ sale is actually pretty big / likely not great news. The article mentions that Private Equity firms are among the final bidders -- PE firms are only interested in making money (they just invest, they don't actually make products), which usually means they engaged in really aggressive cost cutting wherever possible, doing things like outsourcing or using cheaper materials.

If the Onkyo group is involved that could be a good thing (they've been making great quality audio gear for a long time and would probably make some awesome mixers), but it sounds like they're only buying the AV side of things, and not the DJ.

570 million is a pretty big price tag though so I doubt we see an existing manufacturer buy them solo (it's probably going to be a combination of private equity and a buyer like onkyo, or pure PE.)

Even IF we heard (worst case scenario) Gemini bought them up. We never really know what that means. Remember the owner of Numark bought Denon which some (not saying me) would assume would be devastating but we have yet to see the impact of that deal unless I mussed something.


Don't get me wrong my mind is racing right now!!!

It's justified worry. PE hollows companies out to fatten profits. Usually PE firms know nothing about the business they're in either, which is even more troubling.

very true dave

they will go from 2 engineers that program their entire line to 1, lol

LOL Probably just saying it to make myself feel better anyways. This CAN'T be good news. FML. Actually F all Pioneer fan's lives!!

Good to know...i'm going to ask for this discount since i haven't got mine

Petition for Panasonic to start working on Technics 12's again...

www.change.org

did you see the new website
serato.com

The new website does have the 1200's 40yr history and all the good things to go with it.so I'm assuming they'll make one eventually...it's very very likely since it's one of their popular products ever made.

Never thought Pioneer DJ would sell. They're profiting and not much competition.

You sell while you're at the top-Akon on why he gave up Lady Gaga lol brings in a fortune

Wait. so the branch responsible for making the Pioneer CDJ's is being sold?

Man, SOMEBODY got spooked...

That's what it seems like...but if they keep the same people / departments,quality shouldn't be affected

well, after a night side to side with a tech 1200, its good, but not any better than a technics. wanted it to be, but then i thought, if its as good as a 1200, its doing its job.

What about the Vibration insulation? should make it better than a Tech in heavy vibration environments

my dj booth is built on plywood, which is bad when you have stereo eaw monitors over head. i looked at the oscillopes several time, or whatever you call the green circles on the setup page, and tried to look at differences in the circle when i was playing really loud, but really couldn't see much difference.

sounds like a winner then :-) waiting for mine,on backorder

I am receiving word that the Pioneer thing is not true.

As per Pioneer,
"this was brought up at the DJ Expo and Pioneer said it wasn't true."


EXCELLENT news indeed.

Even better news. Thanks for that bit.

It was supposedly the entire Pioneer DJ portion. The "Branch" was Pioneer DJ itself. not just the CDJ part. They just used that as a reference as most who do not stay current with the gear still know of CDJ's. Honestly I would say CDJ's over controllers are indeed their claim to fame.

Also found out I gotta get new headphones. With all the announcements of new products EVERY day (PLX-1000, Wego-3, HDJ-C70 headphones............ etc) I shoulda known this was a rumor.

Although this COULD simply be Pioneer stalling until the announcement is official. It was straight from Pioneer to my retailer BTW>