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Pioneer PLX-1000

DJ Padida 7:27 AM - 17 July, 2014
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Code:E 7:39 AM - 17 July, 2014
Who is going to the 1st to buy a pair?

I bet $100 within a year I will see a rider for a Turntable DJ that says Tech1200 or PLX-1000
DJMark 7:43 AM - 17 July, 2014
I hope they didn't fuck anything up. Stuff like platter-damping, vibration-isolation, tonearm geometry...

Actually the Technics 1200 was hardly perfect in any of those areas. Just better than any other turntable that was in general use by DJ's.

Dare I dream that Pioneer actually *exceeded* the Technics 1200?

Not holding my breath, and of course reliability takes a long time to establish.
DJMark 7:50 AM - 17 July, 2014
I do like that the tempo range selection is well out of the way (occasionally a user-error problem with the M5G's 8/16 button).
DJ Padida 8:19 AM - 17 July, 2014
I wonder if those big edm festivals will have a pair of them or if anyone will use em. Maybe just for show. Many do pre recorded sets tho.

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Who is going to the 1st to buy a pair?

I bet $100 within a year I will see a rider for a Turntable DJ that says Tech1200 or PLX-1000


Someone gonna be doing a tech 1200 vs plx-1000 comparison video.
geeunot 8:25 AM - 17 July, 2014
Damn this thing looks like a beast! We need a video comparing this w/ the reloop turntable. Pioneer is trying to take over the whole DJ market! $700 suggested price per table though....
DJ Unique 9:02 AM - 17 July, 2014
Very nice....
Hopefully this will help bring the cost down on second-hand Technics.
DJMark 9:44 AM - 17 July, 2014
One good sign:

Main unit weight 13.1 kg (28.88 lb)

For comparison, Technics 1200 Mk5 weight: 12 kg (26.45 Ib)
eugguy 10:51 AM - 17 July, 2014
Nothing special. If these sell well though, Panasonic may have wished they never stopped production. I still would rather stick with Technics. Literally reinventing a wheel.
realjuicy 12:35 PM - 17 July, 2014
Yeah this is a win. If its dope, we have another deck to choose from and the 1200s on craigslist come down in price. If its not, well at least they tried right?

Anybody have the Reloop?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:06 PM - 17 July, 2014
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Yeah this is a win. If its dope, we have another deck to choose from and the 1200s on craigslist come down in price. If its not, well at least they tried right?

Anybody have the Reloop?


I have a pair of the RP 8000s.........

With no Midi option on the Pioneer PLX-1000, the Reloop's RP 8000 stacks above the PLX, but still I would like to see how the RP 7000 stands up to PLX 1000.

Similar specs between the two. I like the more classic look of the RP 7000/8000 with the "Technics Style" start/stop buttons.

But that doesn't mean that I don't like how the PLX looks... It does look nice.
Jumbo Boogie 1:21 PM - 17 July, 2014
All these years and no one has yet thought to put an led on the tip of the headshell to see the grooves better =P

It's all about the price....I understand why there are no pads or else how would Pio sell you an sp1.... Pioneer could have been a little different and put the tonearm on the right side and have the platter spin counter clockwise (talking about battle layout)...I'm probably in the minority when I say I've been waiting forever to have a turntable on the left side that mirrors the right.
Taipanic 1:25 PM - 17 July, 2014
I'm going to wait 8 months and get the PLZ-1000 when it comes out and trumps the PLX.
Certified Quality Entertainment 1:28 PM - 17 July, 2014
lol
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:42 PM - 17 July, 2014
13.1 kg, its a few kilograms (about 5 pounds) heavier then the RP-8000s...... With less features.....

A price tag of 1,000 dollars vs the $900 from the RP-8000s.....

I have a feeling Pioneer may drop the price a bit to hit the competition.....

Or they might do the "Pioneer" thing and say........

Pioneer: "F**** all you douches..... buy me because it says Pioneer!!!!"
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:58 PM - 17 July, 2014
Correction.....

$699

www.pioneerelectronics.com
DJ Quartz 3:10 PM - 17 July, 2014
I actually might consider switch over to these. My biggest gripe for switching to ST-150's was because of torque and pitch range.

Being the PLX is a 1200 with new engine and increased pitch ranges over the M5G well...

Also I like the fact they recessed the platter because this is one issue I communicate to Stanton because the top of my decks began getting scored from heavy practicing.
DJ Quartz 3:12 PM - 17 July, 2014
The other problem I was having is my target lights were getting beat up when transporting in my road cases.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:50 PM - 17 July, 2014
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The other problem I was having is my target lights were getting beat up when transporting in my road cases.



I would pop them off and put them in my bags for safey.
DJ Quartz 3:55 PM - 17 July, 2014
I was just going to pick up another set and keep them in my DJ bag since they're so cheap.

However, I did like the recessed design better especially once they moved to led's instead of bulbs.

I'm surprised they didn't call this the PLX-1200
dj jamalot 3:59 PM - 17 July, 2014
what's the wow & flutter on that baby... if it locks @ 0 i'm buying it!
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:00 PM - 17 July, 2014
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I was just going to pick up another set and keep them in my DJ bag since they're so cheap.

However, I did like the recessed design better especially once they moved to led's instead of bulbs.

I'm surprised they didn't call this the PLX-1200


I've noticed pioneer uses the same numbers over and over again for its players.
Jumbo Boogie 4:02 PM - 17 July, 2014
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I'm surprised they didn't call this the PLX-1200

Yo son choppin' on a 5050 (fifty fifty)...Now that's catchy.
DJ Quartz 4:46 PM - 17 July, 2014
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I've noticed pioneer uses the same numbers over and over again for its players


Standardization, now that they make everything.

Midi controllers, effectors, CDJ's, mixers and turntables

Not to mention Serato DJ supported.
ozfrombk 5:04 PM - 17 July, 2014
It has space for 45 adapters so I'm guessing that it would be easy to pop in a pair of dicers unlike the other options on the market right now. I mean I know Reloop 8000s have midi capability with it's pads but I'm still wary of all in one solutions. What if those pads give out? It would be a hassle to have to send in the whole unit for repairs.
geeunot 5:16 PM - 17 July, 2014
I'll wait for the Nexus version of this ;)
Mighty Dragon Sounds 5:34 PM - 17 July, 2014
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I'll wait for the Nexus version of this ;)



And you know they are going to do it!!! lmao....

This one is too plain... Pioneer has a habit of doing this....

Remember the FIRST pioneer controller for serato.... DDJ S-1........

Not even a year later..... DDJ-SX

A little after that..... DDJ-SZ


The CDJ 900/2000....

A year later..... The nexus versions.........

Pioneer has a habit of making your equipment feel obsolete within a year.... lmao
DJ.TORCHMAN 5:51 PM - 17 July, 2014
Does this deck need an earth to the sl2 ,3-4 box
DJ Quartz 5:53 PM - 17 July, 2014
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It has space for 45 adapters so I'm guessing that it would be easy to pop in a pair of dicers unlike the other options on the market right now. I mean I know Reloop 8000s have midi capability with it's pads but I'm still wary of all in one solutions. What if those pads give out? It would be a hassle to have to send in the whole unit for repairs.


That is another point, no modification to use them.

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Does this deck need an earth to the sl2 ,3-4 box


You would just ground to the mixer.
DJ Quartz 5:57 PM - 17 July, 2014
If this becomes a standard deck, Pioneer is a big company and official sponsorship for DJ events, etc. will happen.
DJ Quartz 6:04 PM - 17 July, 2014
I wouldn't doubt if they make a controller with motorized platters as well.
DJ Quartz 6:10 PM - 17 July, 2014
Another thing really link about this deck is the direct access to pitch ranges.

Instead of having to toggle, you can just get the range you want with one button press.
DJ.TORCHMAN 6:12 PM - 17 July, 2014
I think pioneer should sponsor me with all my radio shows and events ..
Www.djtorchman.com
djkurve 6:32 PM - 17 July, 2014
HighTopFade 9:25 PM - 17 July, 2014
Unlike other Super OEM turntables, Pioneer didn't add a second start/stop button, adjustable motor, and adjustable brake. I'm guessing Pioneer wants their turntable to perform exactly like a Technics.
DJ Quartz 9:57 PM - 17 July, 2014
^ Precisely
DJ Quartz 9:59 PM - 17 July, 2014
Just with more torque and wider pitch range and led instead of conventional bulb for the target light (much longer service life).

Removable cables which Technics should have done LONG ago.
#OldSchoolFan 10:49 PM - 17 July, 2014
I just hope that it catches on to all the edm "djs" so this way they can use turntables and incorporate live turntablism into there sets like what A-Trak is currently doing. Or somethin besides hittin those damn buttons.
DJ Quartz 11:02 PM - 17 July, 2014
I guess it all has to do with origin. Coming from a 'turntablist' background it was normal to cut house tracks, etc....

But if you don't come from that background, it's hard to expect it.

Well what I'm curious about now, is will they bring back a 707 or 909 SRT.

That would be interesting....

2 x PLX-1000 + 909SRT + SP1
Mr. Goodkat 11:05 PM - 17 July, 2014
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I wouldn't doubt if they make a controller with motorized platters as well.



this makes so much more sense than coming out with a turntable rt now.

it actually makes 0 sense making a turntable. and ive used tts for the last 15 years minus 2 with cdjs to learn them, but never really warmed up to them.
DJ Quartz 11:21 PM - 17 July, 2014
DJ Quartz 11:22 PM - 17 July, 2014
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it actually makes 0 sense making a turntable. and ive used tts for the last 15 years minus 2 with cdjs to learn them, but never really warmed up to them.


Keep in mind, 1200's are used in competitions due to rep but they don't even sponsor these comps anymore.

Hence a new 'official' standard has to be created for club / comp setups.

I think this is their goal especially since they would have the clout to do so.
Dj Mcwhite 11:38 PM - 17 July, 2014
Can't believe these are not internally grounded.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:44 PM - 17 July, 2014
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Can't believe these are not internally grounded.


Guess they really wanted that old school feel....
DJ Quartz 11:49 PM - 17 July, 2014
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Guess they really wanted that old school feel....


Yeah, or maybe the schematic for the main board in this configuration would have increased the price.
Dj Mcwhite 11:53 PM - 17 July, 2014
Also see that they didn't go crazy with the weight, only 28.88 lbs. Love my ST.150's but they are ridiculously heavy and a pain to carry if you gig often.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:05 AM - 18 July, 2014
I haven't felt a better turntable then my RP 8000s...... And I can say that personally having been an owner of many Technics 1200 and 1210.....

However....

The look of this new Pioneer Turntable.... as plain as it is..... attracts me.
Thundercat 12:33 AM - 18 July, 2014
I have been on my same 12's since '87. This is the first new turntable to make me pause and take notice. I would have to see how they feel and respond first hand, but I would actually consider purchasing these.
DJ Quartz 1:47 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Also see that they didn't go crazy with the weight, only 28.88 lbs. Love my ST.150's but they are ridiculously heavy and a pain to carry if you gig often.


They make you stronger and bigger. Plus people fear you. I toss them around in cases and dudes just look at me now and are like.... alright damn you f'ing strong. ha ha

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I haven't felt a better turntable then my RP 8000s...... And I can say that personally having been an owner of many Technics 1200 and 1210.....

However....

The look of this new Pioneer Turntable.... as plain as it is..... attracts me.


Torque, torque and torque!

Cats be saying 1200's have enough. I fully disagree now.

1200's feel like laggy old motors to me now.

So a 1200 base with the new motor. GOLD!

I would have even went make to 1200's if Technics had done this.
DJ Quartz 1:47 AM - 18 July, 2014
make = back
ozfrombk 1:59 AM - 18 July, 2014
Honestly, all day I've been looking at these. Tempted to make a purchase!
DJ Quartz 2:08 AM - 18 July, 2014
Has anyone seen it in person anywhere, PSSL shows they are selling them.
DJ Quartz 2:09 AM - 18 July, 2014
All american dealers, www.pioneerelectronics.com

Canadian distributor is SF Marketing.
woody008 2:10 AM - 18 July, 2014
I pre-order from the good boys at AGI. I'll let you guys know what I think.
DJ Quartz 2:14 AM - 18 July, 2014
Drool, we want video and pics!

Turntable Porn!
woody008 2:19 AM - 18 July, 2014
I'm gonna put it through its paces, disassemble it and compare it to my Stanton st 150 and my 1200's. I'll be able to know right off the bat if its a super OEM.
DJ Quartz 2:23 AM - 18 July, 2014
Cool!
DJ Quartz 3:11 AM - 18 July, 2014
DID YOU GUYS SEE THE PRICE OF THESE!!

www.pioneerelectronics.com

WTF did they make those out of??? Ha ha
DJ Quartz 3:13 AM - 18 July, 2014
That has to be a typo.
lumas13 3:16 AM - 18 July, 2014
Wow
DJ Quartz 3:28 AM - 18 July, 2014
There is only one mod I would do to these decks.

When the deck is in start/playing mode the led ring on the start/stop button would be green.

When the deck is in stop mode the led ring would be red.
HighTopFade 3:59 AM - 18 July, 2014
Pioneer is putting some emphasis on sound quality. Not sure if the other turntable manufacturers are doing something similar.

Sound Quality Design - Features include a heavy-mass zinc die-cast chassis, reinforced 8-mm thick resin bottom section, 9-mm thick vibration-damping material at the base, rubber insulated tone arm, and gold-plated RCA jacks.
DJ Tecniq 3:59 AM - 18 July, 2014
They look dope. I mean if reviews are good I just may sell my technics for a pair of these. Gonna wait and see what users say.
skinnyguy 4:02 AM - 18 July, 2014
one thing i wanna know.....


are they gonna make a PLX-700? or whatever....with the 7" platter.
DJ Quartz 4:04 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Sound Quality Design - Features include a heavy-mass zinc die-cast chassis, reinforced 8-mm thick resin bottom section, 9-mm thick vibration-damping material at the base, rubber insulated tone arm, and gold-plated RCA jacks.


This sound dampening alone will make it a very good club deck.
DJ Quartz 4:04 AM - 18 July, 2014
What I like about them is they have finesse to them also.
woody008 4:04 AM - 18 July, 2014
The street price for an M5G back in the early 2000's was $600. Asjusted for inflation that would be about just under $800 in today's dollar, That makes the PLX1000 about $100 cheaper.

The introductory price for SL 1200MK2 was $350 back in 1979. In todays dollar that about $1150.

By those numbers it would appear that super OEM's are priced just over the half price of a new 1200 if 1200's were to be put back in production.
DJ Quartz 4:05 AM - 18 July, 2014
^ Good point.
woody008 4:21 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Pioneer is putting some emphasis on sound quality. Not sure if the other turntable manufacturers are doing something similar.

Sound Quality Design - Features include a heavy-mass zinc die-cast chassis, reinforced 8-mm thick resin bottom section, 9-mm thick vibration-damping material at the base, rubber insulated tone arm, and gold-plated RCA jacks.


That was always a contentious point for me when it came to super OEM decks or any other 1200 competitor. I'm glad to see that Pioneer addressed this issue.

We'll just have to wait and see how well the PLX1000 does in the tonearm bearing gimbal , wow and flutter and time keeping departments.

I have Yet to see a 1200 competitor that surpass the 1200 in sound dampening, tonearm bearing performance, wow and flutter and time keeping over long periods of time. I don't have high hopes for the PLX1000 in those aforementioned areas of performance so I woun't be disappointed if the 1200 is still king but there is a small chance.
DJ Tecniq 4:21 AM - 18 July, 2014
My main concern is how long the power cord is and I guess these won't need a ground wire?
woody008 4:22 AM - 18 July, 2014
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^ Good point.


BTW, Stanton ST 150's are great decks for what they are.
woody008 4:27 AM - 18 July, 2014
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My main concern is how long the power cord is and I guess these won't need a ground wire?


The pictures clearly show configuration for ground wire on the phono RCA's and the power cord.

If you need longer cords you can always buy a short 3 prong extender or buy longer right angle 3 prong power cord
DJ Tecniq 4:31 AM - 18 July, 2014
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My main concern is how long the power cord is and I guess these won't need a ground wire?


The pictures clearly show configuration for ground wire on the phono RCA's and the power cord.

If you need longer cords you can always buy a short 3 prong extender or buy longer right angle 3 prong power cord
yeah I see it now when I watched again. These really look promising. I though the reloop's looked nice as well but haven't tried them yet
DJ Tecniq 4:33 AM - 18 July, 2014
Is it possible to use these with SL3? I see the ground wire connects to the turntable itself but what about the serato box ground?
DJ Quartz 4:35 AM - 18 July, 2014
You would ground them to the mixer just as 1200's or any other turntables that require a ground.
DJ Quartz 4:37 AM - 18 July, 2014
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BTW, Stanton ST 150's are great decks for what they are.


Yes they are and I have used them for 7 years. There is some build issues I brought up to them.

I like how the plx is laid out, and build characteristics. That is why I would switch.

Everything else matches the ST-150 also in terms of motor torque, pitch range.
DJ Tecniq 4:38 AM - 18 July, 2014
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You would ground them to the mixer just as 1200's or any other turntables that require a ground.
so since I have the sl3 I would just wire to the box's ground like I normally do with my techs
DJ Quartz 4:43 AM - 18 July, 2014
Right
woody008 4:48 AM - 18 July, 2014
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BTW, Stanton ST 150's are great decks for what they are.


Yes they are and I have used them for 7 years. There is some build issues I brought up to them.

...


Do you mind sharing what those build issues are? about the only build issues that bug me are the bearings which are not as good as the 1200's and lose tonearm rest.
DJ Tecniq 4:49 AM - 18 July, 2014
Wow I just may sell my technics 1210 MK5's for these. Love the extended pitch range and led's plus the interchangeable RCA and power cord is so convenient👍
woody008 4:55 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Has anyone seen it in person anywhere, PSSL shows they are selling them.


PSSL is 8 miles away from me so when I leared (from your post) that they had them listed on their site I called them and asked about the "Pioneer turntable" The guy at the other end sounded baffled and asked me if I was referring to the CDJ's. Hung up the phone and placed an order at AGI Pro.
woody008 4:56 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Wow I just may sell my technics 1210 MK5's for these. Love the extended pitch range and led's plus the interchangeable RCA and power cord is so convenient👍


I'd keep those MK5's till armageddon
DJ Quartz 4:57 AM - 18 July, 2014
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PSSL is 8 miles away from me so when I leared (from your post) that they had them listed on their site I called them and asked about the "Pioneer turntable" The guy at the other end sounded baffled and asked me if I was referring to the CDJ's. Hung up the phone and placed an order at AGI Pro.


ha ha
DJ Quartz 5:03 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Do you mind sharing what those build issues are? about the only build issues that bug me are the bearings which are not as good as the 1200's and lose tonearm rest.


1) Paint Finish - no clear coat and can be scratched right off, or just wear off in time.

2) Rubberized buttons, when used alot eventually the finish on the buttons will wear off and they become gummy. Should have been aluminum buttons.

3) Target light would be more durable during transport if they were metal and retractable like the 1200 / PLX-1000

4) Recessed platter, the raised design tends to have a little wobble but also what happens it ends up scoring the top deck underneath.

5) Loose tonearm from transport, but I've seen the same happen on 1200's.

4) The pitch range button, having to cycle through the ranges instead of having direct buttons assigned such as the PLX-1000

5) Dicers, mod needed to mount on the turntable due to the second start/stop button.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:06 AM - 18 July, 2014
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www.pssl.com


Hmmm....these might work out...IF I was ever in the market or need to upgrade...

They actually "Look" like what a 1200 MKII would evolve into in the future.

The marketing machine behind Pioneer is a beast also...

Can you imagine the sales pitch?

We have Controllers, Mixers, and Turntables & CDJ's for all of your DJ needs...

Plus you would expect the parts to be around for some time since it's Pioneer....

But they should only build ONE dammit....not come out with a new TT every 3 years.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:07 AM - 18 July, 2014
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I have been on my same 12's since '87. This is the first new turntable to make me pause and take notice. I would have to see how they feel and respond first hand, but I would actually consider purchasing these.


LOL! My brotha! Something about the "Look"...right?

Not too crazy....extra digitized, etc..etc..right?
Laz219 5:09 AM - 18 July, 2014
Waiting to start seeing comments everywhere about "pioneer quality, so much better than stanton/reloop/etc"
When these seem to just be another hanpin variation.

I'd still choose reloops over these.
woody008 5:12 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Do you mind sharing what those build issues are? about the only build issues that bug me are the bearings which are not as good as the 1200's and lose tonearm rest.


1) Paint Finish - no clear coat and can be scratched right off, or just wear off in time.

2) Rubberized buttons, when used alot eventually the finish on the buttons will wear off and they become gummy. Should have been aluminum buttons.

3) Target light would be more durable during transport if they were metal and retractable like the 1200 / PLX-1000

4) Recessed platter, the raised design tends to have a little wobble but also what happens it ends up scoring the top deck underneath.

5) Loose tonearm from transport, but I've seen the same happen on 1200's.

4) The pitch range button, having to cycle through the ranges instead of having direct buttons assigned such as the PLX-1000

5) Dicers, mod needed to mount on the turntable due to the second start/stop button.


Ahh! the gummy buttons. I forgot to mention those. I just cleaned that suff off with diluted alcohol.

I see how you'd be annoyed with a weak finish. I don't gig my 150 so the finish is still pretty good on mine.

If you wanna save your tonearms from transport kill, remove the counterweight when they are on the road, it helps a great deal.
DJ Quartz 5:16 AM - 18 July, 2014
I also like the build of the 1200 tonearm compared to the OEM. My residency on Friday's had MK5's and the tonearm does have a much different feel now that I use them more often.

The PLX tonearm looks just like a technics tonearm, plus the rubber insulation will help as well.

I actually don't know if 1200's even have that.

The Stanton's have in the studio still have a brand new finish.

So if you're not moving them around, they will keep their finish that's for sure.
woody008 5:24 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Waiting to start seeing comments everywhere about "pioneer quality, so much better than stanton/reloop/etc"
When these seem to just be another hanpin variation.

I'd still choose reloops over these.


They might turn out to be super OEM's to begin with.

Even if this turns out to be a super OEM's, then pioneer has at least addressed one sour point with Super OEM's that I had for years which is proper sound dampening. The 150 adresses this with a heavy metal plate at the bottom of the turntable body. Close but no dice.
DJ Quartz 5:39 AM - 18 July, 2014
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Even if this turns out to be a super OEM's, then pioneer has at least addressed one sour point with Super OEM's that I had for years which is proper sound dampening. The 150 adresses this with a heavy metal plate at the bottom of the turntable body. Close but no dice.


I was going touch on this next, the ST-150's are sturdy but waaaay too heavy. I mean I'm used to them now but they are still too heavy a deck to be moving around in cases overall.
woody008 5:52 AM - 18 July, 2014
Yeah, I see your point. The extra weight does help a great deal with feedback, perhaps better so than the inner weight of the 1200's but adds just about twice the weight to 150's and doesn't properly address dampening.

The tonearms on 1200's are of lower mass and have smother bearing so they do feel (to most peolple) lightter and smother than super OEM tonearms.
Asu 1:29 PM - 18 July, 2014
Gonna buy a pair...i'm sure pioneer took their time with this project...they kept it simple too...no midi pads :-)
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:36 PM - 18 July, 2014
But they could have internally grounded it though..... jeeezsus.... How hard could it have been?
Asu 1:45 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I haven't felt a better turntable then my RP 8000s...... And I can say that personally having been an owner of many Technics 1200 and 1210.....

However....

The look of this new Pioneer Turntable.... as plain as it is..... attracts me.


I was looking to get some RP-8000s but have heard the platter isn't as sturdy as the Techs...this Pio is getting good reviews from those that have tested the platter...so i know what i'm gettin now :-) kinda disappointed grounding isn't internal too...but the simplicity/beauty is amazing,just like i like my girl lol i'm sold :-)
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:17 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I haven't felt a better turntable then my RP 8000s...... And I can say that personally having been an owner of many Technics 1200 and 1210.....

However....

The look of this new Pioneer Turntable.... as plain as it is..... attracts me.


I was looking to get some RP-8000s but have heard the platter isn't as sturdy as the Techs...this Pio is getting good reviews from those that have tested the platter...so i know what i'm gettin now :-) kinda disappointed grounding isn't internal too...but the simplicity/beauty is amazing,just like i like my girl lol i'm sold :-)


The platter on my Reloop does have a little wobble.... but only if you are intentionally putting weight on it.... When I scratch or mix regularly I have no problem. I have to literally want to make it wobble to get it to do that.

I guess its easier to see since the platter sits above the turntable body. With the Technics and this Pioneer Unit, the platter is recessed into the body of the turntable which I think minimizes visually seeing the wobble.... But I am sure if I wanted that platter to wobble, it will wobble as well.
Asu 2:29 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I guess its easier to see since the platter sits above the turntable body. With the Technics and this Pioneer Unit, the platter is recessed into the body of the turntable


Things like this tell me pioneer really paid attention to the King of TT and tried to improve on it but only slightly...another reason i'm getting them...the re-loops also have some major issues i've read about especially;

If you want to use the power off control as a spin-down, it does actually speed up before it spins down.

The start/stop also isn’t smooth , it spins down slowly and then stop rapidly. It doesn’t do this at the full 6 seconds
DJ Quartz 2:38 PM - 18 July, 2014
I'm still wondering if the tonearm is a technics part and will take fit technics headshells correctly.
Asu 2:52 PM - 18 July, 2014
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There is only one mod I would do to these decks.

When the deck is in start/playing mode the led ring on the start/stop button would be green.

When the deck is in stop mode the led ring would be red.


Knowing pioneer,this should be standard / covered...maybe it blinks in stop mode...we'll see with more vids
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:54 PM - 18 July, 2014
Given Pioneer's History with past products....

How many think they will come out with a more "Digital" or "Midi" friendly version in the near future?
Asu 2:59 PM - 18 July, 2014
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Given Pioneer's History with past products....

How many think they will come out with a more "Digital" or "Midi" friendly version in the near future?


that would kill the SP1...ain't gonna happen. Pioneer PLX-1000 + SP1 however is what they were thinking...my 2 cents
woody008 3:00 PM - 18 July, 2014
Looking at the pictures closely, It appears to me that the tonearm is very similar to the Super OEM's.
Asu 3:02 PM - 18 July, 2014
we now need a serato certified, dual usb, 2 channel mixer from pioneer to go with these for $1399
woody008 3:03 PM - 18 July, 2014
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we now need a serato certified, dual usb, 2 channel mixer from pioneer to go with these for $1399


An updated version of their DJM T1 would be nice.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:07 PM - 18 July, 2014
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we now need a serato certified, dual usb, 2 channel mixer from pioneer to go with these for $1399


An updated version of their DJM T1 would be nice.



Or like the above stated.... a DJM 909SRT....... I would drool
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:12 PM - 18 July, 2014
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Given Pioneer's History with past products....

How many think they will come out with a more "Digital" or "Midi" friendly version in the near future?


that would kill the SP1...ain't gonna happen. Pioneer PLX-1000 + SP1 however is what they were thinking...my 2 cents



Although space is not an Immediate issue to me with the SP1.... its another thing that I have to find real-estate room for.... and it just doesn't do it for me.... There is no easy place for me to put it. The older Denon Scratch Live Controller Pad was small and thin enough where I could bridge it between my two turntables. With the SP-1 I would need a stand.

An updated version of the dicers would be cool though.... one that can incorporate 8 cue points and the slicer function.
DJ Quartz 4:08 PM - 18 July, 2014
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They might turn out to be super OEM's to begin with.

Even if this turns out to be a super OEM's, then pioneer has at least addressed one sour point with Super OEM's that I had for years which is proper sound dampening. The 150 adresses this with a heavy metal plate at the bottom of the turntable body. Close but no dice.


They are technically another variant yes in terms of the motor system, etc...

However, they have done their own improvements. Same thing that Stanton did.
Marcushhh 4:10 PM - 18 July, 2014
I have one concern with these and it really is a personal preference.

I'm worried that the when pressing on the start/stop button it will have hard clicky feel like on a CDJ and not a smooth marshmellow type feel like on a 1200 which i prefer.

And as for the traditional Pio trend of making a newer version of what you already have just one year after you bought it. Here's the plan. Every DJ in the world writes a letter to Pio saying "DO NOT MAKE ANOTHER ONE UNTIL WE SAY SO." ahahaha
DJ Quartz 4:11 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I pre-order from the good boys at AGI. I'll let you guys know what I think.



Hey Woody,

If PSSL gets them and the guy actually figures out what you're talking about. See if you can go down and actually get your hands on them.
DJ Quartz 4:22 PM - 18 July, 2014
Frig it!

www.facebook.com
woody008 5:48 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I pre-order from the good boys at AGI. I'll let you guys know what I think.



Hey Woody,

If PSSL gets them and the guy actually figures out what you're talking about. See if you can go down and actually get your hands on them.


Too late for that. AGI already has my money.

Besides. The PSSL page states that they will have stock on the 29th of next month while AGI states the 15th of next month.

Anyhow, I got in touch with AGI this morning and they are saying Pio's ETA for the the PLX1000 is 8/15/14 but they are not holding their breath so we might not see any PLX1000's for over a month.
Asu 6:11 PM - 18 July, 2014
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Pio's ETA for the the PLX1000 is 8/15/14


True...hopefully no production delays like with the DDJ-SX...was a few months off
hologram 7:06 PM - 18 July, 2014
As a rental business I'm sold on these after talking to someone who had their hands on the pre production and production units and she is damn picky about turntables.
DJ Quartz 7:10 PM - 18 July, 2014
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Too late for that. AGI already has my money.


Not to buy, just get access to them.
DJ Quartz 7:30 PM - 18 July, 2014
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As a rental business I'm sold on these after talking to someone who had their hands on the pre production and production units and she is damn picky about turntables.


I wish I lived in an area that had access to things like this.
HighTopFade 7:43 PM - 18 July, 2014
One reason I was hesitant about buying Super OEM was pitch riding. An experienced Technics 1200 and Stanton 150 owner mentioned that riding the pitch on the Stanton was abrupt, too quick, harder to correct vs the Technics. This was something I read on DJforums years ago. Hopefully, this Pioneer rides the pitch similar to a Technics.
Asu 7:53 PM - 18 July, 2014
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As a rental business I'm sold on these after talking to someone who had their hands on the pre-production and production units and she is damn picky about turntables.


I've heard the same thing too...especially the platters being as sturdy as the Techs etc etc....i guess pioneer did their homework right on this...i'm in the market for some TT,guess PLX-1000 is it for me.
DJ Quartz 8:19 PM - 18 July, 2014
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One reason I was hesitant about buying Super OEM was pitch riding. An experienced Technics 1200 and Stanton 150 owner mentioned that riding the pitch on the Stanton was abrupt, too quick, harder to correct vs the Technics. This was something I read on DJforums years ago. Hopefully, this Pioneer rides the pitch similar to a Technics.


You have to get used to the torque difference. Once you understand the difference you will adapt.
woody008 8:26 PM - 18 July, 2014
I just got word fro PSSL that they won't have them stocked till September 1st and AGI is stating they MIGHT have them stocked on the 15th of August at the earliest or not.
woody008 8:28 PM - 18 July, 2014
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One reason I was hesitant about buying Super OEM was pitch riding. An experienced Technics 1200 and Stanton 150 owner mentioned that riding the pitch on the Stanton was abrupt, too quick, harder to correct vs the Technics. This was something I read on DJforums years ago. Hopefully, this Pioneer rides the pitch similar to a Technics.


You have to get used to the torque difference. Once you understand the difference you will adapt.


I think he is referring to the pitch resolution which is not as good on super OEM decks.
DJ Quartz 8:32 PM - 18 July, 2014
^ I know

What you have to remember what ever adjustment you make will happen that much more quickly because that motor is strong.

It takes some adjustment at first.
Asu 8:41 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I think he is referring to the pitch resolution which is not as good on super OEM decks.


The Reloop RP-7000/8000 has a pitch resolution of 0.02 at 8%, 16% and 0.2 at 50%,
Asu 8:43 PM - 18 July, 2014
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^ I know

What you have to remember whatever adjustment you make will happen that much more quickly because that motor is strong.

It takes some adjustment at first.


+1
woody008 9:00 PM - 18 July, 2014
I have owned both, technics sl 1200's (I have owned several throughout the years) and a Stanton 150.

It maybe because I play techno (real techno not EDM) that I haven't noticed the pitch latency on my 150. As far as the responsiveness of it, it fees almost identical to the technics.

As to the resolution on the RP8000's pitch. I wouldn't know what it's like in actual use, I don't own one. some one send me a "sample" for me to try. I'll let you know what I think.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:01 PM - 18 July, 2014
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As to the resolution on the RP8000's pitch. I wouldn't know what it's like in actual use, I don't own one. some one send me a "sample" for me to try. I'll let you know what I think.



haha.... I see what you did there!!! \\O_O//
Sphinx Sounds 11:07 PM - 18 July, 2014
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Can't believe these are not internally grounded.


+1
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:09 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I'm worried that the when pressing on the start/stop button it will have hard clicky feel like on a CDJ and not a smooth marshmellow type feel like on a 1200 which i prefer.


Dude, I was JUST thinking about this, because I do hella stop/start tricks....
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:18 PM - 18 July, 2014
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I'm worried that the when pressing on the start/stop button it will have hard clicky feel like on a CDJ and not a smooth marshmellow type feel like on a 1200 which i prefer.


Dude, I was JUST thinking about this, because I do hella stop/start tricks....



Am I the only one now a days, since the invention of DVS just leaves the turntable running for most the entire set? Unless I am doing a drop...
HighTopFade 12:44 AM - 19 July, 2014
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Can't believe these are not internally grounded.


I think this may be a good thing. When I had a pair of 1200s refurbed, I asked if there are any disadvantage and the tech said the internal grounding doesn't work for some old school mixers. I sometimes use vintage Numarks for shits and giggles so decided to keep ground wires.
DJ Quartz 12:45 AM - 19 July, 2014
One more mod... Reverse kit.

Double tap to spin platter in reverse... :)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:49 AM - 19 July, 2014
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Can't believe these are not internally grounded.


I think this may be a good thing. When I had a pair of 1200s refurbed, I asked if there are any disadvantage and the tech said the internal grounding doesn't work for some old school mixers. I sometimes use vintage Numarks for shits and giggles so decided to keep ground wires.


The same is true about some actual NEEDLES that don't work well with the internal grounding.

Chances are they are Audiophile needles, so what's the likelyhood of one of you scratch DJ's tearin' it up on a 3K needle, but can't because of the hum...

...but still..
woody008 12:58 AM - 19 July, 2014
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Can't believe these are not internally grounded.


+1


If you are handy with a soldering iron and know what materials to get you can easily make RCA cables that self ground.
dj_soo 1:14 AM - 19 July, 2014
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I just hope that it catches on to all the edm "djs" so this way they can use turntables and incorporate live turntablism into there sets like what A-Trak is currently doing. Or somethin besides hittin those damn buttons.


they'd be too busy looking for the Scratch button.
jamster????? 11:25 PM - 19 July, 2014
while , what a difference reality makes.

I saw the new pioneer plx 1000,

I am summing it up, just by appearance:

1. There will never be another Technics 1200 mk2-5 or 6.

2. Because:

3. Wow and Flutter, and brushless motor: and Analog contacts.

4. Pioneer has integrated the Plx1000 with Serato & Etc., if you know what I mean.


Super Oem Super Oem:


1. They have use the engine from the super oems, ( stronger torque)

2. Better arm dampening. ( no hollow inside) if you know what i mean>

3. platter sits inside , which makes it a must, if you know what i mean>

4. gold plated contacts.

5. super oem pitch.

This is another update of the MK6 , by far means.

I am not telling yall nothing else.

I have taken my mk's apart several times.


6 One questionable appearance is that why did they no change the light.

know why , i do, so that it can be serviced.



7. Its a japan model so yes buy it buy it buy it






3.

5.
DJ GaFFle 11:32 PM - 19 July, 2014
^^^ I don't get what you're trying to say up there. ^^^
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:27 AM - 20 July, 2014
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^^^ I don't get what you're trying to say up there. ^^^


*****Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

Trust me.....you don't want to go down that road......... :-P
DJ Irv 2:50 PM - 20 July, 2014
Not internally grounding. Not a problem since the grounding screw is on the the outside. Just run a tiny bare wire from the plug and pinch it to the outer RCA lead.
jamster????? 10:56 PM - 20 July, 2014
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Not internally grounding. Not a problem since the grounding screw is on the the outside. Just run a tiny bare wire from the plug and pinch it to the outer RCA lead.



Better off, it is safer to ground the PLX 1000 to a mixer with two ground terminals.
And make sure the mixer has a 3 prong power cord, that is much safer, since the tone arm are modified already. The 3 prong power cord can carry the ground to earth.
if you get a power surge your table should survive since you are grounding it to the
mixer ground screw.
My mk5s still has a ground wire that are grounded to the professional mixer ground terminal.
Pumping Music at a high volume sounds better if your ground is properly set.
Pioneer design the PLX 1000 that way so use it properly.

Yours truly

Jamming jamster.
jamster????? 10:59 PM - 20 July, 2014
Let analog be analog
DJMark 11:59 PM - 20 July, 2014
The ground wire being separate is actually very important for situations where (for whatever reason) the destination device's phono input jack's "sleeve" is not tied to ground. Also for situations where power and/or other equipment is funky.

It's most relevant for playback of real records, where proper grounding may make an important difference in how noticeable background noise/hum is, but obviously added hum even at a fairly low level isn't going to do DVS use any good...
jamster????? 2:29 AM - 21 July, 2014
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The ground wire being separate is actually very important for situations where (for whatever reason) the destination device's phono input jack's "sleeve" is not tied to ground. Also for situations where power and/or other equipment is funky.

It's most relevant for playback of real records, where proper grounding may make an important difference in how noticeable background noise/hum is, but obviously added hum even at a fairly low level isn't going to do DVS use any good...



So are you saying that a RP8000, Reloop is a better bang for the bucks!
because it seems to me by looking at the RP 8 , they are internally grounded.

But the tonearm ( Pioneer PLX 1000) wires might be internally grounded and they are not telling us this.
And the ground terminal on the plx might be for the other parts of the turntable housing.
jamster????? 2:35 AM - 21 July, 2014
Main issues fix ,, tonearm assembly , platter torque, & wobble, vibration dampening, rca,
ground terminal.

We all know they are are comming out with a digital model.>>>

I believe?
DJMark 2:39 AM - 21 July, 2014
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So are you saying that a RP8000, Reloop is a better bang for the bucks!


No.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:00 AM - 21 July, 2014
Why is the Reloop RP8000 not a better bang for the buck?
DJ Tecniq 3:19 AM - 21 July, 2014
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Why is the Reloop RP8000 not a better bang for the buck?
Wondering this myself. I know a friend who has the reloop rp8000 and loves them.
DJMark 3:31 AM - 21 July, 2014
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Why is the Reloop RP8000 not a better bang for the buck?


My answer was "no" because I (and most other people) haven't had any hands-on with this new Pioneer turntable.

In the absence of real-world hand-on experiences (and of course reliability data), that question can't be answered.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:51 AM - 21 July, 2014
Here's my 2 cents on the whole matter.... now that its sunday and I have some time..... and I am a BIG lover of my Technics, and I am a BIG lover of my Reloops....

I have owned several Technics 1200 and 1210 models

Stanton ST-150

Reloop RP 8000

So I guess I can speak, coming with hands on experience.

I love the Pioneer PLX-1000's look..... Other then that I have nothing else to base anything off of.... Its looks are cool, but spec wise, I am getting much less features then say what I would from a similarly priced Super OEM turntable.... Or for $100 more, you can get a RP 8000 with all the great features of Super OEM plus digital options.

Now someone mentioned that the RP8000s and 7000s series does have a "speed" up during the power down... As an owner, it is there.... and this is unnoticeable when running DVS and Keylock. Minor draw back and hardly worth putting a negative point but lets give it a -1.

Video of the motor down on my Reloop instagram.com
And another.... instagram.com

Yes option to give it +6 second wind down or start up is there and yea it does kinda get iffy on the breaks when it hasn't winded down all the way at the 6 second mark and it hits the breaks suddenly.... but the option to do it is there. It is a feature. So you can call it a negative point all you want, but you have the power to control your start stop time...... I see none of this on the Pioneer's PLX.

Don't want Midi Functions..... Ok, then you can't knock points off the RP 8000s for having them. You don't have to plug them in if you don't want to use them.

Reverse.... I don't use it, but the option is there....

Internal grounding.... Most of us use DVS and I have not noticed an issue with internal grounding on the RP8000 or my Technics that I have had internally grounded.... Why is this "New" Pioneer unit externally grounded? IDK.... but if you want to call it a "Plus Feature" that it gives you the option to externally ground it then sure..... Lets give the point to the Pioneer.

Weight.... the Pioneer weighs in heavier then Technics which can be a plus in heavy bass environments.... But the RP 8000s weight much less and I haven't had a problem since I have been playing out with them. If the bass and vibrations was enough to effect my Reloops then the Technics next to me would be affected as well.

I will probably get the new Pioneer Turntable but mainly because I like to have options to what I choose to go out and perform with. My Technics stay at home, my Reloops do the heavy work and the Pioneers could be something I leave up in the radio station and take them out on certain gigs. I like the look..... I don't like the price tag. It offers less then what a Stanton 150 has, yet is $100 more expensive. Guess the Pioneer name. Its built off of the Super OEM platform with some of Pioneer's added names and everything.

If the Pioneer's Price-tag on the Turntable was say.... $599 I would be all for a bukakke session on it... but with a price-tag of $699..... its something that I am only happy for.... I am happy that Pioneer is releasing a new generation turntable for DJs like me that love to play on them..... but for the price tag... I am not OVERLY excited about it. I will probably wait for that first set of used ones to be returned to the store.

So Bang for the Buck? I would have to say yes the Reloop takes the bang for the buck IMO.... Have I touched the Pioneer's new turntable..... no...... But if we are basing Bang for buck on Specs and Features... (What else is there to base off of) then I would have to say, from the official Pioneer statement on features and build, the Reloop takes the win.

Unless the PLX has some hidden compartment that we can't see that secretly houses all the digital features.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:02 AM - 21 July, 2014
Spec Sheet for Pioneer PLX
Included Accessories:

Turntable sheet
Slip mat
Dust cover
Head shell
Balance weight
Sub weight
Shell weight
Adapter for EP record
Power cord
Audio cable
Ground wire
Operating instructions

Specifications:

Power Requirements: AC 110-120V/220-240V, 50 Hz/60Hz
Power Consumption: 9W
Output: RCA x 1
Main Unit Weight: 28.88 lbs.
Maximum Dimensions: 17.83” (W) x 6.25” (H) x 13.89” (D)

TURNTABLE
Drive Method: Quartz lock serve type direct drive
Wow and Flutter: 0.1% or less WRMS (JIS WTD)
Motor: 3-phase brushless DC motor
S/N Ratio: 70dB (DIN-B)
Braking System: Electronic brake
Turntable: Aluminum die-casting diameter: 13.07”
Rotation Speed: 33-1/3rpm, 45rpm
Starting Torque: 4.5kg-cm or more
Rotation Speed Adjustment Range: ±8%, ±16%, ±50%
Start Time: 0.3 seconds (at 33 1/3rpm)

TONE ARM
Arm Type: Universal type S-shape tone arm, gimbal-supported type bearing structure, static type balance
Tracking Error: Within 3º
Effective Length: 9.05”
Arm Height Adjustment Range: 0.23”
Overhang: 0.59”
Stylus Pressure Variable Range: 0oz to 0.14oz (1 scale 0, 0.03oz)
Proper Cartridge Weight: Single cartridge: 0.12oz to 0.45oz (When shell weight is used: 0.12oz to 0.22oz)
When only balanced weight is used: 0.21oz to 0.35oz (When sub weight is used: 0.33 to 0.45oz)



Spec Sheet for Reloop RP 8000


TECHNICAL DATA
Type: manual quartz direct drive turntable with MIDI control
Drive: quartz driven upper-torque direct drive
Motor: brushless DC motor
3 speeds, fully manual
Turntable RPM: 33 1/3, 45 and 78 RPM
Turntable: aluminum die casting
Pitch: variably adjustable +/-8%, +/-16%, +/-50%
Torque: adjustable from min. 1600 - 4500 g/cm
Start-up time/tempo change: less than 0.2 sec.
Brake system: electronic brake
Wow and flutter: 0.01% WRMS*
S/N ratio: more than -55 dB (1 kHz, 4mV input)
Admissible cartridge weight range: 3.5 - 8.5 g (incl. headshell 13 - 18 g)
Anti-skating range: 0 - 3 g
2x start/stopp buttons
Adjustable start/stop time (0.2 - 6 sec.)
Power input: 14 W
Power supply: AC 115/230 V, 60/50 Hz (EU/US), AC 100 V, 50/60 Hz (JP)
Dimensions: 458 x 144.6 x 354 mm
Weight: 9.7 kg

FEATURES
Advanced Hybrid Torque Turntable
Digital DJ turntable with upper-torque direct drive
MIDI compatible control section consisting of Trax encoder, 8 backlit drum pads and 4 combinable performance modes (cue, loop, sample and slicer)
Large Trax encoder
Auto deck-assign feature
Turntable link USB port
Digital LC-Display for pitch display, deck assignment and firmware settings
Adjustable start/brake (0.2 - 6 seconds) & torque (1600 - 4500 g/cm)
Metal top panel with metallic finish
Phono and line output (no grounding necessary)
Direct connection of turntable and motor for best possible stability
Especially heavy finish
High end tonearm
Pitch range +/-8%, +/-16%, +/-50%
High resolution pitch fader (0,02% Resolution)
LCD pitch display
Easy to exchange, freely revolvable needle illumination with super bright LED
Quartz lock
Safety power switch
Reverse switch
2 start/stop buttons for vertical positioning
Smart USB link for up to 4 turntables
Rubber inlay for reduction of vibrations and ambient noise
Removable mains and RCA cables
Sunk-in connection cavity for easy case installation
Shock proof feet
Vibration-resistant base
Serato Scratch Live mappings available
Plug'n Play with Serato DJ (min 1.6.2)


For the price...... Again..... You can see it in the specs...... Not overly excited for the Pioneer...... but happy that they are support turntable friendly DJs non the less.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:11 AM - 21 July, 2014
Don't know if anyone saw this video yet....

Watchwww.youtube.com
geeunot 8:03 AM - 21 July, 2014
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Don't know if anyone saw this video yet....

Watchwww.youtube.com


wow insane video! definitely have not seen this. Thanks man.
Asu 11:36 AM - 21 July, 2014
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Yes option to give it +6 second wind down or start up is there and yea it does kinda get iffy on the breaks when it hasn't winded down all the way at the 6 second mark and it hits the breaks suddenly.... but the option to do it is there. It is a feature. So you can call it a negative point all you want, but you have the power to control your start stop time...... I see none of this on the Pioneer's PLX.


I think i read somewhere that it does have an electronic break PLX-1000
Nicholy 1:39 PM - 21 July, 2014
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Am I the only one now a days, since the invention of DVS just leaves the turntable running for most the entire set? Unless I am doing a drop...


I leave it running, use cues or scratch cue to bring it in, and reset the arm as needed. But I can see the button concern if you use that often. Either way I'm sure it would be a minor adjustment to get use to IF the feel is different...
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:42 PM - 21 July, 2014
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Am I the only one now a days, since the invention of DVS just leaves the turntable running for most the entire set? Unless I am doing a drop...


I leave it running, use cues or scratch cue to bring it in, and reset the arm as needed. But I can see the button concern if you use that often. Either way I'm sure it would be a minor adjustment to get use to IF the feel is different...



After reading up on the Pioneerdj site.... it is a "squishy" type of button.

From the Pioneerdj site.
"DJ play has been made smoother by minimizing the operational sound of the START / STOP button."
DJ Remy USA 2:00 PM - 21 July, 2014
I just hope it brings turntables back into the club as actual options. To often do clubs only have CDJs now or have CDJs and busted ass turntables. Some spots still have technics but hardly enough. I'm on board if pioneer to can do a push to convince venues to supply both cause its the standard and what not.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:05 PM - 21 July, 2014
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I just hope it brings turntables back into the club as actual options. To often do clubs only have CDJs now or have CDJs and busted ass turntables. Some spots still have technics but hardly enough. I'm on board if pioneer to can do a push to convince venues to supply both cause its the standard and what not.


I'd love for this to happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The word is out that a single device no bigger than a laptop can be used to DJ at a venue, and places are constantly scaling down the space necessary that the DJ can use.

My spot is CONSTANTLY trying to get me to use one of those "Half Moon" tables that my counterparts use when they bring in their controllers.

No, put that back, because I need a 4 ft table at MINIMUM....Thank you very much.
jamster????? 3:13 PM - 21 July, 2014
It's most relevant for playback of real records, where proper grounding may make an important difference in how noticeable background noise/hum is, but obviously added hum even at a fairly low level isn't going to do DVS use any good...


Okay i understand your your talk. TECHNICS mks main flaw is the tonearm and cartridge noise.

they fix this with the plx tonearm

you have different ways of grounding electronics

plx 1000. sn ratio. 70 db (good for dvs)

thats cool yall cannot hit on internalgrounding until you hear the unit


the reloop rp and plx cant be compared
Mr. Goodkat 8:01 PM - 21 July, 2014
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I just hope it brings turntables back into the club as actual options. To often do clubs only have CDJs now or have CDJs and busted ass turntables. Some spots still have technics but hardly enough. I'm on board if pioneer to can do a push to convince venues to supply both cause its the standard and what not.


way too much effort on a venues part, unless that venue already cares, then they already have that stuff. tts end up as cdj stands and drink coasters everywhere else. i see people stacking em, bending tonarms and have no idea what they are doing or what they aren't(taking care of the tts)
Joee 8:46 PM - 21 July, 2014
man that new pioneer is already obsolete ,check out the new one with built in air horn effect
djworx.com
Asu 9:54 PM - 21 July, 2014
The Perfect TT would output it's own timecode signal kinda like the sc3900 for DVS thus saving the needle for an actual Vinyl Record...reading timecode with a needle is a waste.
Mr. Goodkat 10:57 PM - 21 July, 2014
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The Perfect TT would output it's own timecode signal kinda like the sc3900 for DVS thus saving the needle for an actual Vinyl Record...reading timecode with a needle is a waste.


the whole thing is so backwards. like sony coming out with a new cd walkman.
jamster????? 10:58 PM - 21 July, 2014
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man that new pioneer is already obsolete ,check out the new one with built in air horn effect
djworx.com


Maybe or Maybe not>

Laptop Turntable! Its cool for club or regular deejays. But you cant use it in battle style.

The pioneer will never be obsolete. Just use the latest controller and mixer.

But buy the way. What makes the PLX 1000 shine is because it is build like Technics.

Better torque, better tonearm, and by the way platter sits inside which makes a whole
lot of difference when battling.

Back to the basics , ( you can't get better than that).




truly jamming


jamster:
Laz219 11:58 PM - 21 July, 2014
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Am I the only one now a days, since the invention of DVS just leaves the turntable running for most the entire set? Unless I am doing a drop...


I leave it running, use cues or scratch cue to bring it in, and reset the arm as needed. But I can see the button concern if you use that often. Either way I'm sure it would be a minor adjustment to get use to IF the feel is different...


Yeah, the only time I've powered down my turntable when playing in years is when my sleeve caught the switch by accident the other day.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:34 AM - 22 July, 2014
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But buy the way. What makes the PLX 1000 shine is because it is build like Technics.


jamster:



Its built off the Super OEM Hanpin....
jamster????? 1:11 AM - 22 July, 2014
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But buy the way. What makes the PLX 1000 shine is because it is build like Technics.


jamster:



Its built off the Super OEM Hanpin....



But it took Pioneer to make the Model (blueprint) the the it should have been from
the start.

Even if its hanspin! By the way The are performing as should, and with talent
you should gain you money back .

Like they say what you put in is what you get out!
DJ Quartz 2:28 AM - 22 July, 2014
Just noticed something cool.

The led right goes off when you hit start/stop to stop the platter.
BriChi 2:36 AM - 22 July, 2014
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I'll wait for the Nexus version of this ;)





The CDJ 900/2000....

A year later..... The nexus versions.........

Pioneer has a habit of making your equipment feel obsolete within a year.... lmao


the Nexus came out 3 years after the 2000, not sure where you got a year from
Josh218 2:39 AM - 22 July, 2014
The pitch light should have been blue at 0% instead of green... Hope it can be changed...
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:41 AM - 22 July, 2014
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The CDJ 900/2000....

A year later..... The nexus versions.........

Pioneer has a habit of making your equipment feel obsolete within a year.... lmao


the Nexus came out 3 years after the 2000, not sure where you got a year from



Time flies by faster when you get older.... thats my excuse.... lol
DJ Remy USA 6:25 AM - 22 July, 2014
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I just hope it brings turntables back into the club as actual options. To often do clubs only have CDJs now or have CDJs and busted ass turntables. Some spots still have technics but hardly enough. I'm on board if pioneer to can do a push to convince venues to supply both cause its the standard and what not.


way too much effort on a venues part, unless that venue already cares, then they already have that stuff. tts end up as cdj stands and drink coasters everywhere else. i see people stacking em, bending tonarms and have no idea what they are doing or what they aren't(taking care of the tts)


I guess I can hope cant I? Its not that much work venues dont install either soundman or DJs come in on their off time to do upgrades so it really depends on who's calling the shots at each venue cause some venues upgrade gear every 2 years around here so maybe In 2 years I will see this bright and shiny toy
BriChi 12:21 PM - 22 July, 2014
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I'll wait for the Nexus version of this ;)





The CDJ 900/2000....

A year later..... The nexus versions.........

Pioneer has a habit of making your equipment feel obsolete within a year.... lmao


the Nexus came out 3 years after the 2000, not sure where you got a year from



Time flies by faster when you get older.... thats my excuse.... lol


hahahahaha, very true!
Jumbo Boogie 12:38 PM - 22 July, 2014
Anyone notice the platter wobbling constantly when they show Qbert scratching in the promo vid from Pioneer?

He doesn't seem to be heavy handing it and the platter even seemed to slow to a stop at least once in that video.
The Return of Dj Sparky 12:40 PM - 22 July, 2014
I'll buy a pair when my 1210's stop working......
Asu 12:49 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Anyone notice the platter wobbling constantly when they show Qbert scratching in the promo vid from Pioneer?

He doesn't seem to be heavy handing it and the platter even seemed to slow to a stop at least once in that video.


it looks like a little wobble but on closer look it's the back and fourth spin....he seems a little heavy handed too imho
DJ Tecniq 12:51 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Anyone notice the platter wobbling constantly when they show Qbert scratching in the promo vid from Pioneer?

He doesn't seem to be heavy handing it and the platter even seemed to slow to a stop at least once in that video.
i definetly noticed the platter wobbly as he was scratching and you can almost read his face as if he was frustrated, that's what I thought atleast.
Jumbo Boogie 1:03 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Anyone notice the platter wobbling constantly when they show Qbert scratching in the promo vid from Pioneer?

He doesn't seem to be heavy handing it and the platter even seemed to slow to a stop at least once in that video.


it looks like a little wobble but on closer look it's the back and fourth spin....he seems a little heavy handed too imho

Possibly...guess I'll have to watch it again. It just stuck out to me when I first viewed the vid. Then hearing Shortkut talking about the platter not wobbling afterwards.

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i definetly noticed the platter wobbly as he was scratching and you can almost read his face as if he was frustrated, that's what I thought atleast.

They've definitely paid their dues and deserve them....but that promo did no favors after seeing the 1000 in action in my mind. To the non-turntable generation it probably did wonders though.
Asu 2:09 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Possibly...guess I'll have to watch it again. It just stuck out to me when I first viewed the vid. Then hearing Shortkut talking about the platter not wobbling afterwards.


When Shortkut is doin his tricks,it's all good,so i think Qbert is more heavy handed + he's resting his whole palm on the platter...any platter will do that if you're heavy handed....but will def look into that before i grab a pair :-)
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:14 PM - 22 July, 2014
Here are some of the latest videos of the PLX on Youtube....

Watchwww.youtube.com


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:18 PM - 22 July, 2014
Oh here you go... I thought this was funny.... lmao


Watchwww.youtube.com
Asu 2:31 PM - 22 July, 2014
Thanks for the links...TLM killed it as usual
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:49 PM - 22 July, 2014
For a European guy, he sounds like he could have came from New York City!
Asu 2:59 PM - 22 July, 2014
yup
djransom 3:25 PM - 22 July, 2014
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One of my favs. He's very solid on the decks.
al83 3:51 PM - 22 July, 2014
sign of the times, lots of DJ's going back to physical media, getting tired of boring laptop based DJing, Pioneer has obviously researched the market well and now responding to what people want. and fair play to them too.
hologram 5:54 PM - 22 July, 2014
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sign of the times, lots of DJ's going back to physical media, getting tired of boring laptop based DJing, Pioneer has obviously researched the market well and now responding to what people want. and fair play to them too.


yeah weird huh.
Just go a request for this on a rental for 3 months.
2 PL-1000 and 1 DJM-900SRT.
Normally it
2 TEch 12s and a rane 62
SELECT 6:00 PM - 22 July, 2014
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sign of the times, lots of DJ's going back to physical media, getting tired of boring laptop based DJing, Pioneer has obviously researched the market well and now responding to what people want. and fair play to them too.



All of the DJs in the videos posted are using the new Pioneer turntables with laptops. 99.9% of the people who will buy them will be using boring laptop based djn lol.
Will08272 6:00 PM - 22 July, 2014
Pioneer needs to make a mixer that has maybe two screens, a usb port and rekordbox dvs. Since cdjs already have those nice big displays, the screens on the mixer will serve the same purpose for turntable users. The mixer will take care of the effects so the onboard rekordbox dvs wont have to be to exhaustive of a software just display the library and the waveforms and song info. And there wont be a need for the laptop beyond file preperation. And if people still want to use their laptops have the same software as well. Win Win for cdj users, turntable users, laptop and none laptop folks. Granted this could take users away from serato with the right marketing unless hopefully serato starts making SDJ embedded and license it out.
SELECT 6:05 PM - 22 July, 2014
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sign of the times, lots of DJ's going back to physical media, getting tired of boring laptop based DJing, Pioneer has obviously researched the market well and now responding to what people want. and fair play to them too.


yeah weird huh.
Just go a request for this on a rental for 3 months.
2 PL-1000 and 1 DJM-900SRT.
Normally it
2 TEch 12s and a rane 62


And they will be using laptops as well with the Rane 62.
SELECT 6:06 PM - 22 July, 2014
Sorry meant DJM 900 srt
geeunot 7:36 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Watchwww.youtube.com


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com


The last guy had the sp1 and dicers. Not sure if they were both connected. That sounds like overkill or nah?
SELECT 7:49 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Here are some of the latest videos of the PLX on Youtube....

Watchwww.youtube.com


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com


The last guy had the sp1 and dicers. Not sure if they were both connected. That sounds like overkill or nah?


Same setup as Jazzy Jeff and a lot of other Djs.
geeunot 7:50 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Here are some of the latest videos of the PLX on Youtube....

Watchwww.youtube.com


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com


The last guy had the sp1 and dicers. Not sure if they were both connected. That sounds like overkill or nah?


So most likely they would need a usb hub to connect everything, since macs only have 2 usb ports.

Same setup as Jazzy Jeff and a lot of other Djs.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 8:25 PM - 22 July, 2014
Some people call my Reloop RP8000s and Rane 62 an overkill.....

I like to have options.... Sometimes its easier to hit the cue buttons or samples on my turntable versus the mixer..... When I am mixing very fast I like to use the buttons on the mixer.
Asu 8:33 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Some people call my Reloop RP8000s and Rane 62 an overkill.....

I like to have options.... Sometimes its easier to hit the cue buttons or samples on my turntable versus the mixer..... When I am mixing very fast I like to use the buttons on the mixer.


how do you like that RP-8000...i'm looking to get that or this new PLX...how are the buttons?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:19 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Some people call my Reloop RP8000s and Rane 62 an overkill.....

I like to have options.... Sometimes its easier to hit the cue buttons or samples on my turntable versus the mixer..... When I am mixing very fast I like to use the buttons on the mixer.


how do you like that RP-8000...i'm looking to get that or this new PLX...how are the buttons?



Love them!!!!! I have absolutely no complaints with the Reloop RP8000!!! I did a pretty good in-def review on this forum a few months back. In short, the Reloop RP8000s give me the best of both worlds.

I to am interested in the PLX even when I own Technics and Reloops.... Some may call me a gear whore. What I am going to do is wait for the first batch of PLXs to hit the market and check out the reviews. Maybe pick up a second hand one after the first batches go out.
HighTopFade 10:51 PM - 22 July, 2014
Does anyone think it this will drive down the costs of used Technics 1200s?
geeunot 11:05 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Does anyone think it this will drive down the costs of used Technics 1200s?


Yup.
Asu 11:50 PM - 22 July, 2014
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Does anyone think it this will drive down the costs of used Technics 1200s?


That'll only depend on how good / sturdy these pioneers are compared to Technics...if they're as good then you know Techs will almost become extinct lol...i'm saying this because the CDJ singlehandedly led to many DJs ditching Turntables...now pioneer comes out with an actual turntable!!!!...

if the PLX is as good performance wise as it's sleek looks...you'll buy used good techs for $400 a pair.

Pioneer has declared war on the Techs,thats why they kept it so simple.
DJ GaFFle 11:59 PM - 22 July, 2014
Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
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Asu 12:16 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
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that'll be part of the All White/Platinum/Gold editions lol isn't the SX in various colors? you maybe onto somethin Gaffle :-)
hologram 12:23 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Yeah the rental request is unrelated.
hologram 12:25 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Does anyone think it this will drive down the costs of used Technics 1200s?


That'll only depend on how good / sturdy these pioneers are compared to Technics...if they're as good then you know Techs will almost become extinct lol...i'm saying this because the CDJ singlehandedly led to many DJs ditching Turntables...now pioneer comes out with an actual turntable!!!!...

if the PLX is as good performance wise as it's sleek looks...you'll buy used good techs for $400 a pair.

Pioneer has declared war on the Techs,thats why they kept it so simple.


I can tell you for sure rental house will drop techs and maybe even charge more for them.
It's starting to cost to much to fix them. After my last set came back I almost decided to stop renting them. its not the money as much as it's so damn hard to find parts.
Asu 12:29 AM - 23 July, 2014
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After my last set came back I almost decided to stop renting them. its not the money as much as it's so damn hard to find parts.


Yup...that's what i see coming...
jamster????? 2:01 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
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May be one day. (a gold PLX1000)

Or get some more skinz here, if available:


www.12inchskinz.com
dj_soo 2:17 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Pioneer has declared war on the Techs,thats why they kept it so simple.



how do you declare war on a product that was discontinued 2 years ago?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:22 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Pioneer has declared war on the Techs,thats why they kept it so simple.


how do you declare war on a product that was discontinued 2 years ago?


lol, They're mad at the residuals....

But seriously, Pioneer is in a GREAT position to corner the TT market.

Do y'all see who "Neat" the PLX's are alongside their CDJ's AND mixer?

Don't even start talking about the controllers.....

Man, that brand name will your "One Stop Shopping Spot" in a minute...

What else do they need to corner the market?
DJ Irv 2:33 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
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In Frenchie's voice - My 1200GLD's ain't worried bout nothin'.
HighTopFade 4:29 AM - 23 July, 2014
What would you do? A new pair of PLX1000s or a dead mint pair of M5Gs for the same price.
DJ Tecniq 9:30 AM - 23 July, 2014
This is unrelated but it's qbert on stanton decks. I thought the platter was gonna fall off while he was scratching.....Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Tecniq 9:35 AM - 23 July, 2014
You can't front the Reloop's are dope!
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Tecniq 9:51 AM - 23 July, 2014
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What would you do? A new pair of PLX1000s or a dead mint pair of M5Gs for the same price.
M5G's all tha way...no contest
Asu 12:08 PM - 23 July, 2014
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What would you do? A new pair of PLX1000s or a dead mint pair of M5Gs for the same price.
M5G's all tha way...no contest


Contest hasn't started till we test 'em PLXs lol
DJ GaFFle 12:52 PM - 23 July, 2014
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Please come out with a gold PLX1000... those greedy SL1210GLD hoarders will schit a brick.
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In Frenchie's voice - My 1200GLD's ain't worried bout nothin'.

LoL... your current astronomical re$ale value is.

((( IF ))) that PLX1000 proves to be defacto for all-things that Technics stood for, why would one care about a 1200/1210? I don't care about nostalgia because the legendary 1200's are discontinued and parts support will only go further through the roof, making them less appealing to take risks with. ((( IF ))) that PLX1000 is 100% as reliable, rugged and problem free as the 1200's were, I'd say a nice RIP to my 12's and just leave them boxed or at home. Luckily, Pioneer didn't make this TT too glitzy with dated LCD displays and excessive buttons. It's nice and clean like 1200's were and have a timeless look about them.
DJ GaFFle 1:04 PM - 23 July, 2014
Q?estion: where are these PLX1000's made, in Japan or China?
Laz219 1:17 PM - 23 July, 2014
Considering they're Hanpins....China is a very safe bet.
DJ GaFFle 1:20 PM - 23 July, 2014
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Considering they're Hanpins....China is a very safe bet.

Mark a +point for Technics.
Joee 1:23 PM - 23 July, 2014
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Mark a +point for Technics.

points for a retired old boy

just like with everything else in todays world nothing is as it was, does pepsi taste the same way it did 15 years ago?
Laz219 1:26 PM - 23 July, 2014
I always find the china debate interesting,
Especially when the majority on this page will be typing on their China manufactured Macbook.
Joee 1:40 PM - 23 July, 2014
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China manufactured Macbook

my china macbook is running serato dj flawlessly ……..lol

even my old 2008 pre unibody is working fine with serato dj
DJ GaFFle 1:42 PM - 23 July, 2014
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I always find the china debate interesting,
Especially when the majority on this page will be typing on their China manufactured Macbook.

Yep and my 'Q' key is popping off right now. :-)
Laz219 1:46 PM - 23 July, 2014
Yeah..... I don't make that comment like I even care.
I just find it amusing because I work in an electronics store where people continually ask me where things are made and China is obviously a dirty word (while they'll throw money at anything with an apple logo)
Joee 2:00 PM - 23 July, 2014
true story, i'm BAR B Q N

i have this salmon that says wild caught in the usa, But and heres the kicker it's processed in china
DJ GaFFle 2:20 PM - 23 July, 2014
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...while they'll throw money at anything with an apple logo)

They make high quality and great reliable products... justified.
Laz219 2:26 PM - 23 July, 2014
Again, not debating...just stating something I see every-single-day.
Asu 3:05 PM - 23 July, 2014
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I always find the china debate interesting,
Especially when the majority on this page will be typing on their China manufactured Macbook.


Yeah tell me about it...it all comes down to the quality control in each individual factory...Macbooks/iphones/ipads are pretty reliable...and many other products made there with excellent QC.
Laz219 3:57 PM - 23 July, 2014
Yeah.....
with a bunch of staff suicides in between.
Asu 4:47 PM - 23 July, 2014
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with a bunch of staff suicides in between.


there's staff suicides everywhere if you wanna go there...some even show up with a gun right here in the USA
HighTopFade 5:05 PM - 23 July, 2014
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What would you do? A new pair of PLX1000s or a dead mint pair of M5Gs for the same price.
M5G's all tha way...no contest


Contest hasn't started till we test 'em PLXs lol


You're right. I'll ask later.
Laz219 5:35 PM - 23 July, 2014
Really, not worth the conversation....
My point essentially is- people equate China manufactured (generalisation) with poor quality when (almost) every apple product is manufactured there,

Foxconn manufacturer a lot of things, but regardless they are chinese and to many people there is a stigma to that...
DjWoody 9:34 PM - 23 July, 2014
It looks like we'll be seeing turntables at festivals sooner than we thought... Hmmm, I wonder if Pioneer has anything to do with this and if we'll be seeing the PLX instead of the Technics?


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Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:08 PM - 23 July, 2014
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It looks like we'll be seeing turntables at festivals sooner than we thought... Hmmm, I wonder if Pioneer has anything to do with this and if we'll be seeing the PLX instead of the Technics?


Electric Zoo Announces Vew VINYL-ONLY Stage
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More then likely we will see increasingly more Pioneers IMO....

Which is sad in a way.... I am happy that they are keeping the tradition alive and bringing that turntable look...... And Technics will always still be a part of it.... but...

Other companies have done this..... Other companies have put out BULLET proof turntables. Staton ST-150, Reloop RP8000s incorporating the BEST of both words....

But...

Although they all received ALOT of positive reviews and attention.... they didn't not spark the hype or controversy of these Pioneer Decks..... And the Pioneers haven't even been released yet, so we don't know how well they will do.

I just wished that more attention was brought to the other companies... Pioneer is a HUGE name in the industry but they are without flaws in their products just like any other.

They may have not been the first to put out of Serato Controller... but the hype they got when they did far surpassed others in my opinion... Even though they didn't really do or invent anything new.

Hanpin's design has been proven and perfected and copied dozens of times... But only now after Pioneer has decided to join the game, are people going....

"Ooooooo Turntables!!!!! Yes A new Turntable!!!!"

Well before the PLX there was......

Reloop RP8000/7000 and the 6000s before them.....

Stanton ST-150 and STR-150

Audio Technica 1240s and variants

Numark USBTTX and the Regular TTX before that

The original Hanpin Design...

Vestax PDX series of super high quality turntables......

All are battle proven and time tested, yet I don't think they go the hype that this Pioneer PLX is getting.

Not many was talking about "Replacing" technics in official competitions or festivals with the Reloops or Stantons...... But they are talking about it now with the PLX.... Its like the others before the PLX didn't even exist....

Turntable Racisism!!!!!!

Ehhh.... Here's my beer.... right were I thought I left it....
Asu 10:14 PM - 23 July, 2014
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Not many was talking about "Replacing" technics in official competitions or festivals with the Reloops or Stantons...... But they are talking about it now with the PLX.... Its like the others before the PLX didn't even exist....


Brand Name power and Marketing...but i also personally Love their gear.

I'm in the Market for some new TT...def gonna check these out & RP-8000s
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:29 PM - 23 July, 2014
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There it is...

I mean, if you think about it...

WHO has been the leading Brand Name in DJ related equipment related to manipulating the musical media?

Pioneer with their CDJ's.... period.

Now they're large in the controller market..

And now they make what looks like a black 1200? No futuristic bells and whistles, but the stuff cats were DYING for Technics to do in the first place? (i.e. Extended Pitch range, Replaceable RCA"s and Groud Wires?)

Man, it ain't hard to tell...
DJ GaFFle 11:37 PM - 23 July, 2014
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... But they are talking about it now with the PLX.... Its like the others before the PLX didn't even exist....

Turntable Racisism!!!!!!

I never got into the others because of the looks were cheap'ish to me:

The Numark had that bright aqua bubble that looked gimmicky and skinny tonearm weight that didn't look legit.
The early Stantons turned me off with the look and feel.
The Vestax "line" had about 300 iterations of turntable in a short amount of time. It's like they couldn't get it right.
The Audio Technica's were sold in Circuit City or Best Buys so that never sat well with me. Didn't seem legitimate.

... This PLX1000 looks serious
DjWoody 11:39 PM - 23 July, 2014
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The Audio Technica's were sold in Circuit City or Best Buys so that never sat well with me. Didn't seem legitimate.


At one point you were able to buy Technics at Home Depot and Circuit City.
DjWoody 11:41 PM - 23 July, 2014
Oh yeah, I forgot. WalMart sold 1200's too.
DjWoody 11:42 PM - 23 July, 2014
DJ Quartz 11:52 PM - 23 July, 2014
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This is not an entirely true statement. We all know everyone has been trying to make a technics replacement.

However, all the hanpin variants did not stick to the build of a 1200's.

This is just my opinion, but it's not just the Pioneer name. It's their implementation of the hanpin build that has got them the hype.

Listen, when the Reloop's were coming I was hype but then to find out they are basically ST-150's without the dampening, etc which concerns me.

Don't get me wrong, I think the midi button implementation is great! However....

If they would have done this with then 7000 series and then added the midi buttons ala 8000 this is where they would have killed Stanton too...

I'm even surprised Stanton didn't build their ST series like this.
DJ Quartz 11:53 PM - 23 July, 2014
One thing I learned from the demo videos posted is you still have to toggle the pitch ranges.

I thought the lighted buttons directly controlled that. :(
DJ Quartz 11:56 PM - 23 July, 2014
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I emailed Novation and they haven't tested with the PLX series but they mentioned if the hole dimensions are the same, it should not be a problem.
Averix 12:40 AM - 24 July, 2014
Do you think Festival DJ's will transition from playing on CDJ's to Turntables in the near future? This should be interesting! I want to see famous djs go off beat and then blame it on the wow and flutter! Hopefully their sets get recorded and posted on Soundcloud! Do you remember hopping on a turntable for the first time and it was hard to get down beatmatching but it really took a lot of practice. If these decks make it to the stages, I really see a change in the game! Not to be a pessimistic, but I waited too long for this day to come. CDJ's will get pushed to the side and used for drink coasters. Lol.... Let the real mixers rise!
DJ GaFFle 1:12 AM - 24 July, 2014
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The Audio Technica's were sold in Circuit City or Best Buys so that never sat well with me. Didn't seem legitimate.


At one point you were able to buy Technics at Home Depot and Circuit City.

The Technics were established and legendary status. They had nothing to prove.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:23 AM - 24 July, 2014
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^^^^This ALL day....

Everything else looked like it was trying to be "Too Futuristic" and paint themselves into a corner years later with nobody having replacement parts...

The Pioneer looks like the "Logical" big brother of the Technics 1200. I mean, even the fact that they have a hole for the 45 is cool.

it looks like a turntable, it's not "Built' for playing in "Battle" position, because SOME cats might really want a regular Turntable without all the extra hype.

Midi buttons (to me) are just devices that can go wrong, that if you want them to work if broken, you have to send in your ENTIRE turntable, versus a module, or separate device.

The simplicity of the 1200 has lasted for YEARS....that's huge.
DJ Quartz 2:04 AM - 24 July, 2014
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Midi buttons (to me) are just devices that can go wrong, that if you want them to work if broken, you have to send in your ENTIRE turntable, versus a module, or separate device.


Very true unless you're a tech and do the repair yourself.
woody008 2:35 AM - 24 July, 2014
I have been doing some digging online and it seems some European and Japanese retailers are saying that the PLX1000 will out late Aug or early Sept while AGI's page for the PLX1000 is stating mid Aug and PSSL is stating that they'll have them stocked Sept 1st. Its quite conceibable that we won't see this puppies for over a month.
Asu 3:20 AM - 24 July, 2014
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I have been doing some digging online and it seems some European and Japanese retailers are saying that the PLX1000 will out late Aug or early Sept while AGI's page for the PLX1000 is stating mid Aug and PSSL is stating that they'll have them stocked Sept 1st. Its quite conceibable that we won't see this puppies for over a month.


Yup...Sept is more realistic from what i've read too...unless you grab a pair from the production floor in china mid august lol
woody008 4:18 AM - 24 July, 2014
Sucks. I pre-ordered. I guess I'll just have to wait.
hologram 6:26 AM - 24 July, 2014
On the festival thing. Pioneer will start giving them away to the festival sound companies to get them out there. But I doubt you'll see the big guys move back to turntables. Tiesto at one point said he wasn't even going to use CDJs anymore, just his Ableton puck pr pac 40. Turntables don't bring much to the true electronic music scene and it's been around outside the US for a long time. It's sort of the Soccer of music.
DJ Remy USA 1:03 PM - 24 July, 2014
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On the festival thing. Pioneer will start giving them away to the festival sound companies to get them out there. But I doubt you'll see the big guys move back to turntables. Tiesto at one point said he wasn't even going to use CDJs anymore, just his Ableton puck pr pac 40. Turntables don't bring much to the true electronic music scene and it's been around outside the US for a long time. It's sort of the Soccer of music.


Untrue Atrak is still rocking tables. They moves away from it for different reasons. I think some will adopt it again or we will start seeing more turntable acts at festivals and it will allow DJs like myself to finally get a break in a scene where turntable guys are automatically considered hiphop DJs without even listening to us play a set. This is a win and will become a pioneer fan boy if their marketing push for turntables at festivals work because it will likely reverberate through the rest of the industry that turntable DJs are actually worth the hype now cause they head line at huge EDM festivals. I call this a win.
DjWoody 1:35 PM - 24 July, 2014
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On the festival thing. Pioneer will start giving them away to the festival sound companies to get them out there. But I doubt you'll see the big guys move back to turntables. Tiesto at one point said he wasn't even going to use CDJs anymore, just his Ableton puck pr pac 40. Turntables don't bring much to the true electronic music scene and it's been around outside the US for a long time. It's sort of the Soccer of music.


Many of the big techno dj's have been making the move back to turntables. But I don't think it's enough. But even more are switching to Traktor along with a pair of X1's.
woody008 3:09 PM - 24 July, 2014
The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.
Asu 3:13 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


not if you have sync enabled in Serato DJ or Traktor
woody008 3:20 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


not if you have sync enabled in Serato DJ or Traktor


What would then be point of having 4 turntables?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:11 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


not if you have sync enabled in Serato DJ or Traktor


What would then be point of having 4 turntables?


You don't have to have SYNC on ALL the time, but for those sometimes complicated maneuvers and speed sets that some of us do, it helps.
woody008 4:25 PM - 24 July, 2014
MDS I think I know what you are getting at: hit sync on a deck while you man complex combination of parameters and moves which is fine by me but thats not what I'm getting at. What I mean is, why bother with turntables if you need to beat match 4 main sources and further layer them, potentially having to deal with more than 4 turntables and beat match all of by ear which is virtually impossible when you have that much going on. It would just be impractical even if you sync everything and I have never seen it done.
Mr. Goodkat 4:29 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


:cues jeff mils video:
jamster????? 4:59 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The walways mix with Js like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


:cues jeff mils video:


nnothing is impossible , you beatmatch 2 turntables in sync mode, but if you loop with bars much better. set other tables for sound and effects in sync mode and record 70 minutes edit 2 second mistakes

post on youtube

i always mix in sync with 4 analog tables in sync mode. in timecode

,ihave 14 wheels of steel
DJ DisGrace 5:56 PM - 24 July, 2014
I like how noobs assume that no one mixed on 3 or 4 decks before controllers and sync...
hologram 6:25 PM - 24 July, 2014
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I like how noobs assume that no one mixed on 3 or 4 decks before controllers and sync...


Yes on this. I got one name for you.

Cameron Paul
I got another radio show for you.
KDAY friday mix shows.

both 6 turntables
Asu 6:43 PM - 24 July, 2014
Yup,there's guys out there who do things that many think are impossible...they work so hard to get there
hologram 6:44 PM - 24 July, 2014
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On the festival thing. Pioneer will start giving them away to the festival sound companies to get them out there. But I doubt you'll see the big guys move back to turntables. Tiesto at one point said he wasn't even going to use CDJs anymore, just his Ableton puck pr pac 40. Turntables don't bring much to the true electronic music scene and it's been around outside the US for a long time. It's sort of the Soccer of music.


Untrue Atrak is still rocking tables. They moves away from it for different reasons. I think some will adopt it again or we will start seeing more turntable acts at festivals and it will allow DJs like myself to finally get a break in a scene where turntable guys are automatically considered hiphop DJs without even listening to us play a set. This is a win and will become a pioneer fan boy if their marketing push for turntables at festivals work because it will likely reverberate through the rest of the industry that turntable DJs are actually worth the hype now cause they head line at huge EDM festivals. I call this a win.



Not enough.
three turntable requests out of over 54 Djs for a festival is not enough.
that's an average festival.
DJ Tecniq 7:54 PM - 24 July, 2014
There's only 2 edm dj's that I know of rocking tables and that's atrak and Dj snake. Most edm DJS use cdj's and it's been like that for awhile. But hopefully Pioneer will push that bar and market them during big festivals. Who knows. I am not a fan of cdj's or controllers but i am a fan of my 1210's 😊
woody008 8:05 PM - 24 July, 2014
Notice I previously typed "The way DJs like Speedy J play". The way he (Speedy J) does it is with long (sometimes very) on beat transitions and is dissimilar to Jeff's style.
DJ Remy USA 10:40 PM - 24 July, 2014
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The way DJs like Speedy J play it'd be nearly impossible to use turntables and mix 4 tracks at once and even futher layer them with more elements as they often do.


not if you have sync enabled in Serato DJ or Traktor


What would then be point of having 4 turntables?


For the look we are entertainer everything is considered a prop at this point. The public can associate based on your props or what they normally see with. Like Steve Aoki and his cakes.
jamster????? 10:47 PM - 24 July, 2014
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Notice I previously typed "The way DJs like Speedy J play". The way he (Speedy J) does it is with long (sometimes very) on beat transitions and is dissimilar to Jeff's style.



well he's cool but, believe it or not>

If feels very natural when your are mixing with real tables, and blending in scratching
at the same time.

Watchwww.youtube.com

AIN'T NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING

Timecode and vinyl:

Best turntables are: ( RP8000 and Plx1000)

Discwasher D3 record cleaning system

Thud Rumble & slip mats

best fader ( non contact


if you know what i mean
jamster????? 10:48 PM - 24 July, 2014
If people want to mix like mechanics !

so well be it!!!
HighTopFade 10:58 PM - 24 July, 2014
Pioneer will probably push to be the next contest standard; DMC, Red Bull, Master Of Mix where turntables are the weapon of choice.
DJ Quartz 12:24 AM - 25 July, 2014
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Pioneer will probably push to be the next contest standard; DMC, Red Bull, Master Of Mix where turntables are the weapon of choice.


This is the point I was raising previously.
jamster????? 1:17 AM - 25 July, 2014
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Pioneer will probably push to be the next contest standard; DMC, Red Bull, Master Of Mix where turntables are the weapon of choice.


This is the point I was raising previously.



true to the point because: 3 reasons

Pioneer PLX has the best tone arm: (from the 1200's but insulated) no adjustments needed

Pioneer PLX has the best platter style DMC

Pioneer PLX has the torque ( that the DZ1200 should have gotten)

But when it comes to hands down mixing with, different slip mats,

syncs and pure pitch control and battling ,you cannot go wrong with the RP8000

That computer analog turntable is so dam magnificent:

Best scratch turntable is the Stanton str8-150, record burner
jamster????? 1:31 AM - 25 July, 2014
I posting a master mix next week ,freestyle mix, called: 50 Jams

Every thing will be looped accordingly.

this is what I am going to do on my PLX1000 or RP8000 :

I am still deciding which pair should I buy! in the future


50 Jams will drop on July 30 2014 on sound cloud.


Remember it is no how strong you are but how you play the game:

i am ending this discussion permanently


PLX-1000 Official Introduction PART1



Watchwww.youtube.com




your truly

jamster

freshest jams for life

see you next week on

Post you Mix
Asu 2:25 AM - 25 July, 2014
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PLX1000 or RP8000


Gonna wait for the pioneers and use dicers...i'd hate for the buttons to die on the RP-8000 and have to send in the whole unit...plus the PLX look sleek as hell :-)
forty 2:36 AM - 25 July, 2014
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Pioneer PLX has the best tone arm: (from the 1200's but insulated) no adjustments needed

Pioneer PLX has the best platter style DMC

Pioneer PLX has the torque ( that the DZ1200 should have gotten)


You know all this from watching a Youtube promo video?

Hmmmm....
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:27 AM - 25 July, 2014
Blaaaaaah..... I'm drunk......... that is all...........
Asu 12:45 PM - 25 July, 2014
quote from a DJ that tested this vs the MK5G;

"The platter has a bit more 'torque' as well, at least as I feel it - I haven't got the actual tech-specs to hand. But by and large it is the same deck as the MK5, only without the headaches you get from poorly calibrated analogue pitch faders/pots."

There you have it...pioneer has built something better than a Technics MK5G at least...the insulation should help a lot with Club vibrations.

Looks like Pio really did their homework.
Djkom 12:56 PM - 25 July, 2014
Beside the PLX 1000 nobody suspects Pioneer to build an associated scratch mixer soon ???

Why?
1. Because turntables are mostly used by scratch djs
2. Pioneer has already scratch mixers but they are old (707 and 909) and not fully aligned to their current strategy (DJM T1, no more partnership with Traktor )
3. Pioneer can now use timecode with Serato (DJM 900 srt and DDJ SZ)
4. Pioneer has picked up the legendary Dj QBERT and SHORTKUT to promote the PLX 1000 !!!
5. A Serato scratch mixer is the only missing product in the Pioneer offering (the DJM 900 SRT is not built for that)

Since there is no midi controls in the PLX 1000, my guess is that there will be for sure a kind of DJM S1 which will be directly in competition with the Rane 62 !!!

my 2nd guess is that there is be also a 2nd version the PLX 1000 (because Pioneer likes to have many models and this turntable lacks some midi features like the Reloop rp 8000) but way later because Pioneer will analyze the market before investing much money of that tight and competitive product segment.

My only wish is that Pioneer builds a motorized platter media player !!! a mix between the cdj 2000 nxs and the denon sc 3900 with a 9" platter.
Asu 1:17 PM - 25 July, 2014
a 2 channel Mixer is more realistic from pioneer than a moving platter type player....denon should be working on improving the sc3900 design.

CDJs work pretty well and they're not going to change that.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:27 PM - 25 July, 2014
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a 2 channel Mixer is more realistic from pioneer than a moving platter type player....denon should be working on improving the sc3900 design.

CDJs work pretty well and they're not going to change that.



909SRT with the same crossfader as the original..... My Rane 62 will have an early retirement from center stage!!!!

*Ducks from Rane Moderators*
DJ Quartz 1:31 PM - 25 July, 2014
I said it awhile back, you might see the 707 and/or 909 reborn as updated SRT models.
DJ Quartz 2:38 PM - 25 July, 2014
Anyway, Pioneer better get these in peoples hands and routine videos up.
DJ DisGrace 3:04 PM - 25 July, 2014
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quote from a DJ that tested this vs the MK5G;

"The platter has a bit more 'torque' as well, at least as I feel it - I haven't got the actual tech-specs to hand. But by and large it is the same deck as the MK5, only without the headaches you get from poorly calibrated analogue pitch faders/pots."

There you have it...pioneer has built something better than a Technics MK5G at least...the insulation should help a lot with Club vibrations.

Looks like Pio really did their homework.

Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.

The reality is this turntable will become the new club standard simply because it has the Pioneer name on it, and as you can see people are already calling it better an a Technics....
DJ Quartz 4:21 PM - 25 July, 2014
I just want to get my hands on to see for myself.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:43 PM - 25 July, 2014
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The reality is this turntable will become the new club standard simply because it has the Pioneer name on it,
and that it "Looks" like the logical successor to the Technics 1200.
DJ DisGrace 5:21 PM - 25 July, 2014
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The reality is this turntable will become the new club standard simply because it has the Pioneer name on it,
and that it "Looks" like the logical successor to the Technics 1200.

The real question is how does it perform? How long will it last? How many original CDJ1000s are still floating around in useable condition?

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+1
Asu 6:03 PM - 25 July, 2014
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Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.


Many top DJs have tested it already,thanks to pioneer and they all agree Pioneer did a pretty good job in comparison to technics.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 6:33 PM - 25 July, 2014
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Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.


Many top DJs have tested it already,thanks to pioneer and they all agree Pioneer did a pretty good job in comparison to technics.


Do you think Pioneer really gave them like some money on the side and was like.... "I want you to praise this product and only praise this product"

or are they allowed to give their full unbiased opinion on it.
hologram 6:49 PM - 25 July, 2014
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Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.


Many top DJs have tested it already,thanks to pioneer and they all agree Pioneer did a pretty good job in comparison to technics.


Do you think Pioneer really gave them like some money on the side and was like.... "I want you to praise this product and only praise this product"

or are they allowed to give their full unbiased opinion on it.


I know one that doesn't take money and will tell a manufacturer to shove it as well as praise a good product when the manufacture has been a dick to them. I trust that opinion and they have seen some prototypes and the production model.
DJ DisGrace 7:22 PM - 25 July, 2014
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Looks like people are making a lot of assumptions about a turntable that no one has actually tested yet.


Many top DJs have tested it already,thanks to pioneer and they all agree Pioneer did a pretty good job in comparison to technics.


Do you think Pioneer really gave them like some money on the side and was like.... "I want you to praise this product and only praise this product"

or are they allowed to give their full unbiased opinion on it.

+1 seriously guys, you are buying into the Pioneer marketing machine a little too easily. I'll wait for a TechTools review or something, not commercials made by Pioneer.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:40 PM - 25 July, 2014
I'm just saying, this would be the best time EVER for Pioneer to get it right. They could conceivably take over the DJ market if this PLX-1000 does what it's supposed to do.
Mr. Goodkat 8:21 PM - 25 July, 2014
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I'm just saying, this would be the best time EVER for Pioneer to get it right. They could conceivably take over the DJ market if this PLX-1000 does what it's supposed to do.



i just dont see the market being there. what is the market at this point? i probably see, maybe 50/50 djs over 30 using tts and under 30 maybe 30% at most. Its a cheaper alternative than cd players which helps PLX1000, but for under 21s, this, IMO, makes no sense considering the portability and usability of controllers and cd players.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:37 PM - 25 July, 2014
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i just dont see the market being there. what is the market at this point? i probably see, maybe 50/50 djs over 30 using tts and under 30 maybe 30% at most. Its a cheaper alternative than cd players which helps PLX1000, but for under 21s, this, IMO, makes no sense considering the portability and usability of controllers and cd players.


You have a valid point, me and a partner of mine were arguing about Pioneer possibly revitalizing the turntable, and he brought up a good point.

Chances are, the MOBILE DJ's probably wouldn't opt to go from a controller to Turntables, for convenience sake, and not having to troubleshoot a bunch of different issues vs. having a controller.

However, the CLUB DJ MAY implement the turntables, but then again, CDJ's are SKRONG out there, so who's left?

Bedroom DJ's? DJ's who never went to CDJ's?

Historically, it was CHEAPER to get turntables (before controllers became the rave) vs. buying 2 Pioneer CDJ's....

Now the logical CHEAP solution is Controllers.....

But will the next step up still be considered CDJ's or Turntables, assuming Pioneer did their homework...

Regardless, Pioneer has CDJ's on lock, a large part of the Mixer slice on lock, and a large part of the controller slice on lock....
DJ Quartz 9:32 PM - 25 July, 2014
Even though the young DJ's are using controllers, I still get a ton of DJ's asking about turntables when they see me spin.

So I think the interest is definitely there, it all comes down to accessibility and pricing.
HighTopFade 10:46 PM - 25 July, 2014
Fuck it. When I run into some cash, I'm gonna retire my 1200s for a pair of these.
Laz219 12:07 PM - 26 July, 2014
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Comments like this is why I find it interesting that people are suddenly considering dropping techs, for these. That may have never considered anything else from Hanpin....
lumas13 12:52 PM - 26 July, 2014
I might try em out, but I will never retire the 1200's
slimmjimm 1:06 PM - 26 July, 2014
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Fuck it. When I run into some cash, I'm gonna retire my 1200s for a pair of these.


Comments like this is why I find it interesting that people are suddenly considering dropping techs, for these. That may have never considered anything else from Hanpin....


Was it ever 100% verified they are OEMs?

I think the hype comes mostly from a recognized/respected brand (Stanton and Numark aren't always portrayed in a good light).

I've thought about Stantons, and Reloops, but something seemed "off" about them. These "look" right. The weight seems right, everything that I see in the pics look 100% like off the shelf Technics parts tonearm wise, but this can change as well, considering they're mostly CGI renders.

I love my Techs, no matter how long in the tooth they are, unfortunately, I sold EVERY. NEW. PAIR. I bought, so I had to look around for a decent set of 2nd hands. I like, once in a while, to open something brand new, and these look like what I want.
Asu 3:08 PM - 26 July, 2014
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+1 seriously guys, you are buying into the Pioneer marketing machine a little too easily. I'll wait for a TechTools review or something, not commercials made by Pioneer.


You gotta admit,they make good products that hold their value...so it's not all hype...they do have the money/R&D power to take on the Tech and finally make it ancient history....there's even a rumor,they bought the original blue prints/patents of the Tech from Panasonic.

The difficulty in finding parts for Techs is going to make the switch to PLX an easy logical choice especially if what we're hearing in comparison to the Techs holds up.

Remember what the CDJ-1000 did to turntables??? these guys do their homework and i wouldn't call it just marketing.
HighTopFade 4:30 PM - 26 July, 2014
I wasn't feeling the other Super OEMs. They are all gimmicky in their own way. In my opinion, at least for this model, Pioneer is doing what Technics was doing right all along. They made a HiFi analog turntable that sounds good. It should. It's supposed to play records. It doesn't hurt that they look good.
Dj Mcwhite 6:29 PM - 26 July, 2014
Been seeing a lot of Techs going up for sale lately on craigslist. Couldn't find a single one before I bought my ST.150's.
Mr. Goodkat 8:01 PM - 26 July, 2014
its funny because for a long time i saw good deals in my area with techs on craigslist(bought a pair of mk5(not G) for 900$. now for some reason they have gone back up, people looking for 4-600 for new mk2's. sorry if you missed your window, but can't wait till they dive down around 250$ per.
Dj Mcwhite 8:59 PM - 26 July, 2014
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its funny because for a long time i saw good deals in my area with techs on craigslist(bought a pair of mk5(not G) for 900$. now for some reason they have gone back up, people looking for 4-600 for new mk2's. sorry if you missed your window, but can't wait till they dive down around 250$ per.


Guess it depends on where you live, these dudes in STL are trying to sell broken mk2's for $1000+. Said F that and bought a brand new pair on ST. 150's for $900.

Deciding on getting a Rane 62 or picking up the Pioneer Tables.
Mr. Goodkat 10:12 PM - 26 July, 2014
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its funny because for a long time i saw good deals in my area with techs on craigslist(bought a pair of mk5(not G) for 900$. now for some reason they have gone back up, people looking for 4-600 for new mk2's. sorry if you missed your window, but can't wait till they dive down around 250$ per.


Guess it depends on where you live, these dudes in STL are trying to sell broken mk2's for $1000+. Said F that and bought a brand new pair on ST. 150's for $900.

Deciding on getting a Rane 62 or picking up the Pioneer Tables.


if you ever want to see whats in your region on clist. (you may know about this, but ill assume some do not)

www.searchtempest.com
DJ Remix Detroit 10:20 PM - 26 July, 2014
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You know the drill discuss:

Watchwww.youtube.com

pioneerdj.com


wider pitch range
stronger motor
replaceable rca's
digital out


pretty much the ttx from 10yrs ago, just in 1200 clothing.
Niro 10:23 PM - 26 July, 2014
Humanaity is hard to predict, easy and efficiency gets boring and people especially ones that are really into something will usually use to step it up and learn to do things more skillful way, which is usually a lot more fun. Sure there will always be lazy or unskilled people defending the need for skill when technology can do it. But it is still the same reason we use to watch humans do things like art, sports....etc. instead of robots. I believe the fun of DJing on turntables will bring the turntable back to popularity. :)
Laz219 11:42 PM - 26 July, 2014
I had a quick look at techs on ebay here in Aus to see if there was any price change.
They're still completely all over the place, some people have a single battered mk2 for $1000, others are selling decent pairs for $1200.
I feel like a lot of people just heard all the stories about them being discontinued and just decided to throw them up and see if they can get some kind of huge amount.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:14 AM - 27 July, 2014
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They're still completely all over the place, some people have a single battered mk2 for $1000, others are selling decent pairs for $1200.
I feel like a lot of people just heard all the stories about them being discontinued and just decided to throw them up and see if they can get some kind of huge amount.


Lol yup. Just like flappy bird.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:45 AM - 27 July, 2014
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Did I miss something?
Asu 2:09 AM - 27 July, 2014
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Did I miss something?


Theres def no digital out...
DJ Remix Detroit 2:10 AM - 27 July, 2014
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Did I miss something?


yeah, that's my bad..i see they kept it analog.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:39 AM - 27 July, 2014
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Did I miss something?


yeah, that's my bad..i see they kept it analog.


Aitte, no probs....HOWEVER, If they DID have that as an additional OPTION, I would not have been mad....like almost guaranteed to have picked one up...
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:41 AM - 27 July, 2014
I can see Pioneer coming out with a "hybrid" digital one soon in the future.... they wont let Reloop RP8000 be the only Serato Native Hybrid Turntable.... It would be very "un-pioneer" of them....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:42 AM - 27 July, 2014
pioneerdj.com

THIS rite here will be their main selling push....

One stop shopping...
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:12 AM - 27 July, 2014
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pioneerdj.com

THIS rite here will be their main selling push....

One stop shopping...



My arms arnt wide enough for all that.... lol
DJ Remix Detroit 3:45 AM - 27 July, 2014
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I can see Pioneer coming out with a "hybrid" digital one soon in the future.... they wont let Reloop RP8000 be the only Serato Native Hybrid Turntable.... It would be very "un-pioneer" of them....


that's one thing I'm scratching my head at... why didn't they just do that in the first place???

an analog TT, with no type of digital interaction with a DVS system. (and no internal ground at that).

just makes me wonder what was going on in their heads in the R&D department.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:33 AM - 27 July, 2014
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just makes me wonder what was going on in their heads in the R&D department.


Because it basically wouldn't have stopped there...

Cats would have been like, well since there's a digital output, why not keylock?

Then, why not a midi out?

How about just a few midi buttons....etc..etc...

I think they did good with duplicating the last things that Technics had, and improved on them, IF the testing stories are true...
DjWoody 7:08 AM - 27 July, 2014
Wouldn't Digital Out be counter productive and pointless since vinyl is analog? Also, most vinyl purist want that analog sound. Even with a Serato Box or Mixer you're still getting the sound from the box/mixer and not the turntable so even then Digital Out would be pointless. If you're talking about something similar to HID, than might as well get a controller.
DJ GaFFle 10:27 AM - 27 July, 2014
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just makes me wonder what was going on in their heads in the R&D department.


Because it basically wouldn't have stopped there...

Cats would have been like, well since there's a digital output, why not keylock?

Then, why not a midi out?

How about just a few midi buttons....etc..etc...

I think they did good with duplicating the last things that Technics had, and improved on them, IF the testing stories are true...

Exactly.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:35 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Wouldn't Digital Out be counter productive and pointless since vinyl is analog? Also, most vinyl purist want that analog sound. Even with a Serato Box or Mixer you're still getting the sound from the box/mixer and not the turntable so even then Digital Out would be pointless. If you're talking about something similar to HID, than might as well get a controller.


The argument can definitely be made, but since this is the digital age, and EVERYBODY I know who uses a turntable is digitizing vinyl (or needs to), so they can leave their vinyl treasures at home out of the heat.

But again, that is starting down the slippery slope of "Well, they could have added <insert feature here> as well, it wouldn't have cost that much", plus the AD conversion probably would have driven the turntable price up......
DJ Remix Detroit 2:23 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Because it basically wouldn't have stopped there...

Cats would have been like, well since there's a digital output, why not keylock?

Then, why not a midi out?

How about just a few midi buttons....etc..etc...

I think they did good with duplicating the last things that Technics had, and improved on them, IF the testing stories are true...


i could see if we were talking about another company... but Pioneer of all companies keeping something basic and simple.... it just kinda threw me for a loop, that's all...lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:25 PM - 27 July, 2014
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i could see if we were talking about another company... but Pioneer of all companies keeping something basic and simple.... it just kinda threw me for a loop, that's all...lol


Ha, they were probably arguing over what "new" feature to put in there, probably couldn't all agree on "Everything", and said, Eff it, lets just put out a Technics clone first....and see how that goes...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:26 PM - 27 July, 2014
Didn't they just have a recall on one of their new controllers?
DJ Remix Detroit 2:31 PM - 27 July, 2014
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i could see if we were talking about another company... but Pioneer of all companies keeping something basic and simple.... it just kinda threw me for a loop, that's all...lol


Ha, they were probably arguing over what "new" feature to put in there, probably couldn't all agree on "Everything", and said, Eff it, lets just put out a Technics clone first....and see how that goes...


yeah, well the good thing about buying a turntable that is simple and basic without a bunch of bells and whistles is that you don't have to worry about something bigger and badder coming out six months later and them dropping support and leaving you hanging...

I've actually just celebrated my 10yr anniversary with my ttx's and they are spinning just as good as the day i bought them... once those suckers die, then i might look into these... i gotta admit, PLX-1000 is sexy than a mofo!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:03 PM - 27 July, 2014
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This....
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:15 PM - 27 July, 2014
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This....


Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........
DJ Remix Detroit 3:17 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........


disturbing...lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:38 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........


I'm mad that you equated yourself to a "Needle" but hey.....lmao.
DJ Quartz 4:42 PM - 27 July, 2014
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i gotta admit, PLX-1000 is sexy than a mofo!


It is!
DJ Remix Detroit 5:13 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........


I'm mad that you equated yourself to a "Needle" but hey.....lmao.


lmao... i was thinkin needle dick when i read that
Asu 5:44 PM - 27 July, 2014
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i could see if we were talking about another company... but Pioneer of all companies keeping something basic and simple.... it just kinda threw me for a loop


Threw you for a Reloop??? lol

But basic and simple is smart for those that love simplicity...then later on it'd be nice if they come out with the intergrated multi colored MIDI buttons + Color LCD screen+Network connectivity+ability to read usb drives and play them directly using pioneer time-code without need for a laptop...just run your tracks through rekordbox and set your cue points which light up on the buttons when you load that track.

Switch to Serato time code to use your laptop+serato cue points...this would be the perfect TT to me and would slowly kill the CDJ lol
Mighty Dragon Sounds 6:28 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Yep.... I'd slap the PLX-1000 in the tone arm and ask her if she liked it when I played with her platters......

And then I'd ask her where you want me to drop this needle.........


I'm mad that you equated yourself to a "Needle" but hey.....lmao.


lmao... i was thinkin needle dick when i read that


lmao... Aint the size of the nail but the power of the hammer behind it!!!!! In his case.... Immma put 9grams of tonearm counterweight behind that needle.... Dig all into her grooves.....


Hows that for disturbing??? lmao
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:28 PM - 27 July, 2014
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Oh, you win...lmao.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:55 PM - 28 July, 2014
Some new video....

Watchwww.youtube.com
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:56 PM - 28 July, 2014
How come I can never host these things........ What is the criteria.....
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:57 PM - 28 July, 2014
I really think they held back on their "personal" opinions in that last video....
Laz219 11:29 PM - 28 July, 2014
I like how the chick in that video just stands there, looking like she has no idea what's going on most of the time.
geeunot 11:32 PM - 28 July, 2014
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I like how the chick in that video just stands there, looking like she has no idea what's going on most of the time.


she's baddd though! haha. damn can't wait to get my hands on a PLX.
got2b Ru 12:00 AM - 29 July, 2014
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Watchwww.youtube.com


and YES!!!! the Dicers DO fit in the adapter space!
HighTopFade 12:59 AM - 29 July, 2014
I can't believe Pioneer allowed the straight tonearm suggestion in a promo video.
Joee 1:09 AM - 29 July, 2014
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I can't believe Pioneer allowed the straight tonearm suggestion in a promo video.

LOL……

pioneer was stupid to have that girl in the vid also
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:01 AM - 29 July, 2014
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pioneer was stupid to have that girl in the vid also



Thats what I had beef with primarily in the video though..... I could have done a better job drunk off my mind....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:37 AM - 29 July, 2014
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pioneer was stupid to have that girl in the vid also


Say that *ish again...
DJ Tecniq 4:16 PM - 29 July, 2014
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Watchwww.youtube.com
Dem eyebrows tho :O
geeunot 6:27 PM - 29 July, 2014
Yeah what's up with the straight arm comment? I least we know the people they have in the videos are honest.
Asu 8:21 PM - 29 July, 2014
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Yeah what's up with the straight arm comment? I least we know the people they have in the videos are honest.


He was saying as a scratch DJ he prefers a straight arm, i'm guessing he has the Stantons...but otherwise it's as good as the Tech but with more torque...which is what i've been hearing too.
Niro 12:39 AM - 30 July, 2014
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Dem eyebrows tho :O


Just heard it on radio the other day, full brow is coming back.
DJ-Hulmeman 8:30 AM - 30 July, 2014
Qbert and Shortkut seem to approve? youtu.be
geeunot 5:20 PM - 30 July, 2014
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yes. that was the first video that was posted about the plx.
DJ Quartz 4:19 PM - 1 August, 2014
I'm going to work on getting these in my residency. There is an old set of 1210MK5's there right now that I already serviced.
Asu 9:11 PM - 18 August, 2014
Any updates on availability of these PLX-1000s'...pre-ordered one from Zzounds but they have non in stock...
DJ Quartz 12:23 AM - 19 August, 2014
I was wondering where the heck this thread went. I couldn't find it with search so I had started a new one.
Joee 12:32 AM - 19 August, 2014
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I was wondering where the heck this thread went. I couldn't find it with search so I had started a new one.

technics is back?
serato.com
Asu 11:29 AM - 19 August, 2014
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technics is back?
serato.com


Not really actually....they're just going to make home theater type of stuff as far as i understand
Asu 11:34 AM - 19 August, 2014
it is said pioneer bought the original patents thus this PLX-1000...many DJs who've tested it say it is just like the 1200's and more...anyway,will wait for mine to arrive and post
Laz219 10:13 PM - 19 August, 2014
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it is said pioneer bought the original patents thus this PLX-1000...many DJs who've tested it say it is just like the 1200's and more...anyway,will wait for mine to arrive and post


I wouldn't read into that....
Joee 10:15 PM - 19 August, 2014
wasn't technics the sister company to another popular band of electronics?
Joee 10:17 PM - 19 August, 2014
yes they were now that i think about it technics is panasonic brand
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:25 PM - 19 August, 2014
Technics was a subsidary to Panasonic as mentioned, technics was mentto be their luxury brand for EU and US markets
ali_you 8:17 PM - 20 August, 2014
Looks like there is going to be a delay on the Pioneer PLX , I asked a few places , now it looks like shipping is 1st or 2nd week of September . anyone has other news on shipping ?
Asu 6:50 PM - 24 August, 2014
Forget about early September....just found out the reality is now end of September...this is just like when we Pre-ordered the DDJ-SX and waited for 3-4 months smh
woody008 4:53 PM - 25 August, 2014
You would figure Pio should announce a product, state a general availability date like 3rd quarter 2014 and then release a definitive availability date after the shipping containers have hit the ports here state side and in Europe, but nope, the decks will arrive from the containers to the distributors and then we'll know a for sure date.

If you ask me we are at the mercy of the logistics of foreign manufacturers and the brands they manufacture for.
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:02 PM - 25 August, 2014
its not a merical wonder drug your waiting for so I don't see the panic
woody008 5:46 PM - 25 August, 2014
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There's no panic. Its a direct crtitsism of Pio's and other big brands' modus operandi.
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:48 PM - 25 August, 2014
criticise away
Mr. Goodkat 10:21 PM - 25 August, 2014
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You would figure Pio should announce a product, state a general availability date like 3rd quarter 2014 and then release a definitive availability date after the shipping containers have hit the ports here state side and in Europe, but nope, the decks will arrive from the containers to the distributors and then we'll know a for sure date.

If you ask me we are at the mercy of the logistics of foreign manufacturers and the brands they manufacture for.


with port delays, world chaos, etc, solid launch dates are usually wrong anyway.
deejdave 12:55 AM - 29 August, 2014
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Forget about early September....just found out the reality is now end of September...this is just like when we Pre-ordered the DDJ-SX and waited for 3-4 months smh


Mid September for me. I got my DDJ-SX, SZ, 900SRT, Rane 64 & DDJ-SP1 all from the same place and they all came when they were supposed to. Anyone get any good deals on their PLX-1000's?
DJ Jonasty 1:19 AM - 29 August, 2014
White people problems
Rebelguy 2:10 AM - 29 August, 2014
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Forget about early September....just found out the reality is now end of September...this is just like when we Pre-ordered the DDJ-SX and waited for 3-4 months smh


Some people got theirs. I know DJ Nonsense who works at GC in Texas I believe posted a pic on Facebook today with 3 of them new in box.
Rebelguy 2:15 AM - 29 August, 2014
Yup Guitar Center got them.
Rebelguy 2:16 AM - 29 August, 2014
I may have been wrong about DJ Nonsense posting them but my other friend at the GC in San Francisco posted a pic of 9 of them new in box and ready to sell.
deejdave 2:22 AM - 29 August, 2014
I Can't wait. Honestly I definitely won't be the first with one and I am ok with that for the prices I get my gear for. I am just happy I am getting a pair and ca not wait to compare to y 1200's & 1210's................................

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The Return of Dj Sparky 2:22 AM - 29 August, 2014
I wonder is we shall see a return of the m44-7H with the pioneer headshells
dj_double_s 2:32 AM - 29 August, 2014
According to GC website, they're available at stores around me (at least three pretty close stores)
deejdave 2:36 AM - 29 August, 2014
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I think the H stands for the included Technics Headshell no? Would that make it M44-7HP?
Rebelguy 2:44 AM - 29 August, 2014
GC must have bought the first batch. That would explain delays at other stores.
The Return of Dj Sparky 2:44 AM - 29 August, 2014
the H just ment headshell, they discontuined them due to parts shortage
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:49 AM - 29 August, 2014
Cats need to learn how to mount headshells....

Period.
dj_double_s 2:49 AM - 29 August, 2014
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GC must have bought the first batch. That would explain delays at other stores.


They would definitively be the biggest bulk buyer.
dj_double_s 2:52 AM - 29 August, 2014
Since they are in stock around me, I kind of have an itch to get some, but my 12's are still in pretty decent shape (albeit 15 years old).
The Return of Dj Sparky 2:54 AM - 29 August, 2014
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If cats could mount headshells it'd be a purrfect world we live in
deejdave 2:58 AM - 29 August, 2014
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They would definitively be the biggest bulk buyer.

They usually get first dibs on Pioneer gear.

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Doesn't hurt to have some actual knowledge on the build of (and rebuild) of TT's> I have had to do some basic wire repairs on the fly before. Such weedle wires too LOL.

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Did they ever come with anything but Technics Headshell? I've never seen one?
woody008 5:11 AM - 29 August, 2014
If you guys want one or two of these you better run to Guitar Center quick, they have limited quantities. I was just there and picked one up for my self. They said they only had 4 more. This things are just gorgeous.

I just put mine through a battery of test and I must say I am very impressed. Pioneer did a fab job on these. They are 95% like the king although my deck did not meet or surpass the original in the tonearm bearing department (still pretty good nonetheless), however it did surprisingly well in the keeping speed department (zero pitch locked quarts stayed in sync for over 7 minutes).

I give it my seal of approval.

I uploaded a few pics:

s1303.photobucket.com

Technics is still king but by a hair.

I'll have better pics tomorrow.
dj_double_s 5:21 AM - 29 August, 2014
Looks nice!
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:27 AM - 29 August, 2014
Take a screwdriver to it and see what makes it tick
woody008 5:39 AM - 29 August, 2014
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In do time. Since it holds speed exceedingly well, I suspect a redesign of the super oem motor control or a new motor drive altogether.

So far, just from the look of it, it seems to share the super oem platter and most of the tonearm assembly.
DJ Remy USA 5:24 PM - 29 August, 2014
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Forget about early September....just found out the reality is now end of September...this is just like when we Pre-ordered the DDJ-SX and waited for 3-4 months smh


Mid September for me. I got my DDJ-SX, SZ, 900SRT, Rane 64 & DDJ-SP1 all from the same place and they all came when they were supposed to. Anyone get any good deals on their PLX-1000's?


got enough gear yet..lol
DJ Remy USA 5:26 PM - 29 August, 2014
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LMAO
DJ Remy USA 5:26 PM - 29 August, 2014
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If cats could mount headshells it'd be a purrfect world we live in


Good one...lol
deejdave 5:27 PM - 29 August, 2014
NEVER!!! That's not even 1/4 of it ha. It is a sickness I admit but I can't help it. If anything I can say it keeps all my gear fresh. I have a Urei 1620 and 2 1200's that look like the day they were opened because of this!! LOL
deejdave 5:27 PM - 29 August, 2014
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Good one...lol


LOL I didn't even see what he did there. I should have known to look for it as it was from Sparky LMAO.
popnwave 3:14 AM - 30 August, 2014
I will say I wish companies like PIO did it like Apple does. Have the big announcement and the stuff is on sale the next day usually. Stock might not be super high, but at least you aren't holding your breath for a street date.
djkurve 4:50 AM - 30 August, 2014
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woody008 4:59 AM - 30 August, 2014
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I will say I wish companies like PIO did it like Apple does. Have the big announcement and the stuff is on sale the next day usually. Stock might not be super high, but at least you aren't holding your breath for a street date.


Agreed. It would eliminate a lot of confusion. case in point; I called AGI Pro to cancel my pre-order since their availability date was pushed back to Sep 12 (they blamed Pio) and the guy at the other end warned me that if I try to pre order again I would be bumped to the back of the line, I then told him I had just picked up a PLX1000 at guitar center and he was utterly surprised Guitar Center had them in stock, prior to that revelation he was insisting that I will not be able to get a PLX1000 in months unless i pre ordered. Whatever, I canceled. Its not my fault Pio kept them in the dark.
deejdave 5:08 AM - 30 August, 2014
How much $ at AGI Pro and how much $ at GC? final cost out the door if you don't mind. Sorry if I am being forward I just want to make sure I get the best deal possible is all.
Rebelguy 5:58 AM - 30 August, 2014
You would probably get the better deal at AGI as you have to pay sales tax at GC.
Laz219 8:06 AM - 30 August, 2014
With most products, companies have a hierarchy of who gets priority for the stock. Usually based on their turnover in that companies products.

Some companies are starting to come around to the announced/released at the same time thing though. HTC did it with the M8, it was (theoretically) available 20 mins after the announcement.
WarpNote 10:16 AM - 30 August, 2014
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I will say I wish companies like PIO did it like Apple does. Have the big announcement and the stuff is on sale the next day usually. Stock might not be super high, but at least you aren't holding your breath for a street date.


Agreed. It would eliminate a lot of confusion. case in point; I called AGI Pro to cancel my pre-order since their availability date was pushed back to Sep 12 (they blamed Pio) and the guy at the other end warned me that if I try to pre order again I would be bumped to the back of the line, I then told him I had just picked up a PLX1000 at guitar center and he was utterly surprised Guitar Center had them in stock, prior to that revelation he was insisting that I will not be able to get a PLX1000 in months unless i pre ordered. Whatever, I canceled. Its not my fault Pio kept them in the dark.


So you wish all companies had theyre own distribution? the pio-store, the akai store, numark store etc? With no other brands in the shop like apple does it, and even further price markup? You do realise there is NO MARKET for that whatsoever?

Having full controll of the entire delivery chain is the only way a manufacturer can hope to garantee release dates ;)
woody008 1:36 PM - 30 August, 2014
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Agreed. It would eliminate a lot of confusion. case in point; I called AGI Pro to cancel my pre-order since their availability date was pushed back to Sep 12 (they blamed Pio) and the guy at the other end warned me that if I try to pre order again I would be bumped to the back of the line, I then told him I had just picked up a PLX1000 at guitar center and he was utterly surprised Guitar Center had them in stock, prior to that revelation he was insisting that I will not be able to get a PLX1000 in months unless i pre ordered. Whatever, I canceled. Its not my fault Pio kept them in the dark.


So you wish all companies had theyre own distribution? the pio-store, the akai store, numark store etc? With no other brands in the shop like apple does it, and even further price markup? You do realise there is NO MARKET for that whatsoever?

Having full controll of the entire delivery chain is the only way a manufacturer can hope to garantee release dates ;)


Nope Thats not what I meant. Consistency would be nice. Small companies Like Festool do it all the time within a margin of thee two or weeks all the time so I know it can be done.

If you have one supplier telling you you won't be able to get your hands on a PLX1000"for months" all the while the stuff is ready for the taking at guitar center than something not working out.

Just so that you know the PLX1000 that I have was shipped directly to guitar center from Pio.
Jumbo Boogie 2:02 PM - 30 August, 2014
How about a drift test?

Play at a specific pitch both up and down on the PLX1000..Play that same track on a controller or CDJ simultaneously at the same pitch and see how well it holds outside of quartz lock...curious on the results.
deejdave 2:33 PM - 30 August, 2014
I heard it was pretty good at this^^^^^ I think I saw the comment on YouTube or dj worx.
dj_double_s 4:55 PM - 30 August, 2014
I'm guessing with limited availability, prices are around suggested retail ~$699? Wondering if they'll come down in time and by how much?
Rebelguy 6:19 PM - 30 August, 2014
I don't think this is a supply chain problem. I think this was more of Guitar Center buying the entire first shipment to have the exclusive on the product for the next month or so. They did the same with the recently released QSC Touchmix 16 mixer.
sumoJr 6:36 PM - 30 August, 2014
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buy a controller you relic
deejdave 8:00 PM - 30 August, 2014
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I'm guessing with limited availability, prices are around suggested retail ~$699? Wondering if they'll come down in time and by how much?

If you do the leg work you can already find for less than this.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:44 PM - 30 August, 2014
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buy a controller you relic


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DJ Quartz 1:40 AM - 31 August, 2014
Seeing those photos up close, I can see now that it's the super-oem tonearm as well.
sumoJr 5:53 AM - 31 August, 2014
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buy a controller you relic


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controllerist (feel stupid for even typing it)
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WarpNote 10:01 AM - 31 August, 2014
Gotcha Woody.
Guessing GC understood that these are gonna outsell the reloop. So they struck a deal with Pio.
DJ Jonasty 11:55 AM - 31 August, 2014
$899 in Australia but the re loops are $699 here. I really want a set of turntables again.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:09 PM - 31 August, 2014
im waiting for the first set of professional reviews first before i consider buying them.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:12 PM - 31 August, 2014
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buy a controller you relic


They should come with cartridges just for principle.


controllerist (feel stupid for even typing it)

would think its a usb drive


Don't you know how to mount a drive?
WarpNote 3:59 PM - 31 August, 2014
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buy a controller you relic


They should come with cartridges just for principle.


controllerist (feel stupid for even typing it)

would think its a usb drive


Don't you know how to mount a drive?

Lol ;)
(Solid reason ro get a mac... ;)
Mr. Goodkat 6:24 PM - 31 August, 2014
a little more than 600 with disc at GC.
deejdave 6:53 PM - 31 August, 2014
After tax?
Mr. Goodkat 11:25 PM - 31 August, 2014
plus tax
deejdave 11:53 PM - 31 August, 2014
Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.
Joee 11:55 PM - 31 August, 2014
i never EVER buy from guitar center! EVER!
Joee 11:58 PM - 31 August, 2014
wait a minute i'm lying…….lol

i did buy two of the limited edition red sl3/red marble vinyl/usb watch from them


but i made a nice profit when i sold the 4 marble vinyl's …..
Mr. Goodkat 12:04 AM - 1 September, 2014
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Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.


meet one of the guys, they have a discount. in my area, people seem to be pretty cool with it.
deejdave 12:59 AM - 1 September, 2014
Oh hell yeah. On a local level they are a life saver. For the money saving though I found myself a little gem. They have been a life saver and have saved me TONS of cash over the past 2 years. EVERY piece of gear I have I got for the lowest price I have seen anywhere to date and the PLX's are no exception. 900SRT 1899, Rane 64 1799, DDJ-SZ Not allowed to say but less than the lowest I have seen elsewhere which was $1750. Much more gear purchased for LOW $. All of these are OUT THE DOOR (no tax / no shipping) But yeah................... to avoid claims of advertising I will say PM me for name. I have sent MANY people their way from these very forums and many out there already know the site name.


Again NOT tryin to advertise as I have nothing to gain from this but I am trying to spread the savings to my fellow DJ's.


P.S. they are no longer an authorized retailer of Rane gear so if you are looking for a Rane 64 (or other Rane gear) for cheap they can not help.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:39 AM - 1 September, 2014
I wonder why they stopped selling Rane products.... :-/?
deejdave 2:00 AM - 1 September, 2014
I don't. I know They got in trouble for selling stuff for so cheap need I repeat the Rane 64 for $1799................. I haven't seen a price like this since then and that was at the time of release.
deejdave 2:04 AM - 1 September, 2014
No worries though............... Pioneer gear is better. LOL Just teasing. Although I DO prefer my SRT over my 64. BOTH are great mixers though.
deejdave 2:12 AM - 1 September, 2014
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I don't. I know They got in trouble for selling stuff for so cheap need I repeat the Rane 64 for $1799................. I haven't seen a price like this since then and that was at the time of release.


Actually at the fear of rumors let me clear this up. I don't know KNOW this to be truth BUT the timing was WAYYYY to coincidental. I had gotten the price. Bought the mixer. Posted on these very forums (at the time) the price. They stopped carrying Rane and I was asked (politely) not to mention the prices directly publicly LOL. Which is why I try not to post anything new and ONLY price I had previously posted. Furthermore I try not even PUBLICLY post the name of the place either although I will give a hint............. it IS on this page here LOL www.pioneerelectronics.com so warranties & support (or whatever it is called over at Pioneer's neck of the woods is called LOL) is all intact.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:15 AM - 1 September, 2014
Pioneer mixers are not for me.... Unless it's a 2 channel battle style mixer like the 909...... It's unnecessary for a DJ like me to have 4 channels.

Until Pioneer comes out with a 909SRT I will stick with my 62.
deejdave 3:50 AM - 1 September, 2014
I hear ya. 4 channels are a MUST for me. I used to have the 62 and I loved it. Only issue I ever had was the cue buttons. Not that the 64's are any better LOL but this is what my Sp-1 is for when I am using the mixers instead of the controllers.
DJ Remy USA 1:10 PM - 2 September, 2014
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You dont even need them bro.lol
DJ NoNseNse 4:25 PM - 2 September, 2014
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Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.


Hit me up for pricing next time. Depending on the gear I can get you good pricing at GC. Usually cheaper then anywhere else.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:40 PM - 2 September, 2014
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im waiting for the first set of professional reviews first before i consider buying them.




You dont even need them bro.lol



I am a gear whore......

nuff said.....

Allow me to satisfy my whoriness

lol
deejdave 6:00 PM - 2 September, 2014
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Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.


Hit me up for pricing next time. Depending on the gear I can get you good pricing at GC. Usually cheaper then anywhere else.


Can you get prices on the PLX-1000's? I MIGHT pick up two more and am always open for better pricing.
Mr. Goodkat 8:43 PM - 2 September, 2014
set it up today, looks basically like a tech felt heavier(i guess it is 2lbs heavier). my dumbass got to the venue and forgot carts though, ill take it through its paces tomorrow nite however.
deejdave 11:46 PM - 2 September, 2014
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set it up today, looks basically like a tech felt heavier(i guess it is 2lbs heavier). my dumbass got to the venue and forgot carts though, ill take it through its paces tomorrow nite however.

Awesome. What are you gonna use? The Shure m44-7's I am guessing?
Mr. Goodkat 2:08 AM - 3 September, 2014
yeah, they come with 1 headshell and actually a high quality slip mat. i have 4 44-7s with techs so i replaced one with the pioneer shell. looks pretty nice in silver with my techs at home.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:20 AM - 3 September, 2014
Let me know How well does the extra damping in the tone arm perform in loud and high vibration enviorments.
DJ NoNseNse 8:50 AM - 3 September, 2014
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Hmmmm. May be worth the extra to have ASAP for some. Good to know GC is playing the game (Price) too though. I can't ever get my local GC to budge and pretty much go to them for their warranty.


Hit me up for pricing next time. Depending on the gear I can get you good pricing at GC. Usually cheaper then anywhere else.


Can you get prices on the PLX-1000's? I MIGHT pick up two more and am always open for better pricing.


Pm me your email
spinnyspin 10:46 PM - 3 September, 2014
I was surprised but my GC was happy to discount these w/ the sale they had going on last weekend (15% off each).

Warning though: be careful cutting through the tape on the cardboard box. The dust cover is right underneath the top of the box and I accidentally scratched the cover of one with my knife when I was cutting through the tape.
deejdave 11:49 PM - 3 September, 2014
Good to know. Thanks for that bit. I should be getting in any day now. How do you like them?
popnwave 12:03 AM - 4 September, 2014
The DJ section of Pioneer was just sold off.. wonder what this means for future runs of the turntable.
Joee 12:06 AM - 4 September, 2014
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The DJ section of Pioneer was just sold off.. wonder what this means for future runs of the turntable.

sold off to who? that could be a bad thing depending on who purchased it
dj_double_s 12:09 AM - 4 September, 2014
Seem hush hush who the buyer is, but its in the news: www.reuters.com
Joee 12:12 AM - 4 September, 2014
well i guess we will see, but like i said could be a bad thing for example gemini buying pioneer rebranding gemini products as pioneer
spinnyspin 12:12 AM - 4 September, 2014
Learned on a controller and finally got the skills/funds to justify a move to vinyl so my opinion doesn't count for much... but I'm liking them.
Joee 12:13 AM - 4 September, 2014
any chance technics purchased them, now that would be interesting
www.facebook.com

we can hope right?
BriChi 12:15 AM - 4 September, 2014
ugh, Pioneer going to hell!!!! lol

this could be pretty huge especially for other companies like Denon if word gets out that someone like Gemini bought Pioneers DJ end
spinnyspin 12:21 AM - 4 September, 2014
Wow, the Pio DJ sale is actually pretty big / likely not great news. The article mentions that Private Equity firms are among the final bidders -- PE firms are only interested in making money (they just invest, they don't actually make products), which usually means they engaged in really aggressive cost cutting wherever possible, doing things like outsourcing or using cheaper materials.

If the Onkyo group is involved that could be a good thing (they've been making great quality audio gear for a long time and would probably make some awesome mixers), but it sounds like they're only buying the AV side of things, and not the DJ.

570 million is a pretty big price tag though so I doubt we see an existing manufacturer buy them solo (it's probably going to be a combination of private equity and a buyer like onkyo, or pure PE.)
deejdave 12:41 AM - 4 September, 2014
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ugh, Pioneer going to hell!!!! lol

this could be pretty huge especially for other companies like Denon if word gets out that someone like Gemini bought Pioneers DJ end

Even IF we heard (worst case scenario) Gemini bought them up. We never really know what that means. Remember the owner of Numark bought Denon which some (not saying me) would assume would be devastating but we have yet to see the impact of that deal unless I mussed something.


Don't get me wrong my mind is racing right now!!!
dj_double_s 12:49 AM - 4 September, 2014
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Don't get me wrong my mind is racing right now!!!

It's justified worry. PE hollows companies out to fatten profits. Usually PE firms know nothing about the business they're in either, which is even more troubling.
BriChi 1:01 AM - 4 September, 2014
very true dave

they will go from 2 engineers that program their entire line to 1, lol
deejdave 1:18 AM - 4 September, 2014
LOL Probably just saying it to make myself feel better anyways. This CAN'T be good news. FML. Actually F all Pioneer fan's lives!!
Asu 11:31 AM - 4 September, 2014
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I was surprised but my GC was happy to discount these w/ the sale they had going on last weekend (15% off each).


Good to know...i'm going to ask for this discount since i haven't got mine
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:06 PM - 4 September, 2014
Petition for Panasonic to start working on Technics 12's again...

www.change.org
Joee 2:19 PM - 4 September, 2014
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Petition for Panasonic to start working on Technics 12's again...

www.change.org

did you see the new website
serato.com
Asu 2:34 PM - 4 September, 2014
The new website does have the 1200's 40yr history and all the good things to go with it.so I'm assuming they'll make one eventually...it's very very likely since it's one of their popular products ever made.
HighTopFade 2:34 PM - 4 September, 2014
Never thought Pioneer DJ would sell. They're profiting and not much competition.
Asu 2:48 PM - 4 September, 2014
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Never thought Pioneer DJ would sell. They're profiting and not much competition.


You sell while you're at the top-Akon on why he gave up Lady Gaga lol brings in a fortune
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:54 PM - 4 September, 2014
Wait. so the branch responsible for making the Pioneer CDJ's is being sold?

Man, SOMEBODY got spooked...
Asu 3:24 PM - 4 September, 2014
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Wait. so the branch responsible for making the Pioneer CDJ's is being sold?

Man, SOMEBODY got spooked...


That's what it seems like...but if they keep the same people / departments,quality shouldn't be affected
Mr. Goodkat 5:39 PM - 4 September, 2014
well, after a night side to side with a tech 1200, its good, but not any better than a technics. wanted it to be, but then i thought, if its as good as a 1200, its doing its job.
Asu 5:49 PM - 4 September, 2014
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well, after a night side to side with a tech 1200, its good, but not any better than a technics. wanted it to be, but then i thought, if its as good as a 1200, its doing its job.


What about the Vibration insulation? should make it better than a Tech in heavy vibration environments
Mr. Goodkat 6:09 PM - 4 September, 2014
my dj booth is built on plywood, which is bad when you have stereo eaw monitors over head. i looked at the oscillopes several time, or whatever you call the green circles on the setup page, and tried to look at differences in the circle when i was playing really loud, but really couldn't see much difference.
Asu 6:44 PM - 4 September, 2014
sounds like a winner then :-) waiting for mine,on backorder
deejdave 7:22 PM - 4 September, 2014
I am receiving word that the Pioneer thing is not true.

As per Pioneer,
"this was brought up at the DJ Expo and Pioneer said it wasn't true."


EXCELLENT news indeed.
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well, after a night side to side with a tech 1200, its good, but not any better than a technics. wanted it to be, but then i thought, if its as good as a 1200, its doing its job.


Even better news. Thanks for that bit.
deejdave 7:25 PM - 4 September, 2014
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Wait. so the branch responsible for making the Pioneer CDJ's is being sold?

Man, SOMEBODY got spooked...

It was supposedly the entire Pioneer DJ portion. The "Branch" was Pioneer DJ itself. not just the CDJ part. They just used that as a reference as most who do not stay current with the gear still know of CDJ's. Honestly I would say CDJ's over controllers are indeed their claim to fame.

Also found out I gotta get new headphones. With all the announcements of new products EVERY day (PLX-1000, Wego-3, HDJ-C70 headphones............ etc) I shoulda known this was a rumor.
deejdave 7:26 PM - 4 September, 2014
Although this COULD simply be Pioneer stalling until the announcement is official. It was straight from Pioneer to my retailer BTW>
DJ NoNseNse 11:51 PM - 4 September, 2014
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sounds like a winner then :-) waiting for mine,on backorder


Backorder? They should be available right away.
Asu 12:34 AM - 5 September, 2014
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Honestly I would say CDJ's over controllers are indeed their claim to fame.


Yes but controllers have made the company profitable in the last couple of quotas after no profits for the longest time...which means pioneer should drop prices a bit and keep pushing out new gear every 2-3 years.

So Pioneer+Serato=win win situation :-)
deejdave 3:13 AM - 5 September, 2014
I agree completely. I was simply explaining why I think that article worded it the way they did is all.

I don't think the dropping prices thing will happen though nor does it make sense. As you stated yourself they have been kickin ass lately so what would make them change anything?
hologram 5:53 AM - 5 September, 2014
Pioneer DJ is profitable but how much profitable compared to other Pioneer division. Selling it while it is profitable will bring a higher cost.
hologram 5:53 AM - 5 September, 2014
by higher cost I mean sell price for the company.
monchi 12:34 AM - 12 September, 2014
Woody008 so where are they made china or japan?
woody008 12:50 AM - 12 September, 2014
They are labelled "made in china" and these are no doubt Super OEM made, albeit very well executed.
DJ Quartz 1:01 AM - 12 September, 2014
I made Facebook group if people want to add reviews on the decks in there.

www.facebook.com
DJ Quartz 1:02 AM - 12 September, 2014
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well, after a night side to side with a tech 1200, its good, but not any better than a technics. wanted it to be, but then i thought, if its as good as a 1200, its doing its job.


This is what I needed to hear, a 1200 with more torque basically.
woody008 1:05 AM - 12 September, 2014
This are not Technics killer. Keep your 1200's if you are thinking of selling them to fund a pair of PLX1000.
Mr. Goodkat 1:12 AM - 12 September, 2014
i just dont see anything thats really gonna kill a tech for most djs. most guys at most, now with pnt, mabye need +16. Of course with +-50 there might be some tricks to pull, but really with what most people need, it seems like most people would be more like dj quartz, a 1200 with more torque.
DJ Quartz 1:15 AM - 12 September, 2014
The extra pitch range is good as well if you play all different types of music and want to pull off some out of the ordinary blends now with PNT.
Asu 1:48 PM - 12 September, 2014
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sounds like a winner then :-) waiting for mine,on backorder


Backorder? They should be available right away.


guitar center bought the first batch outright i heard...everyone else is getting theirs next Friday 9/19/2014 AMS,ZZounds etc
monchi 3:13 PM - 14 September, 2014
So there is this dude selling a pair for $2500 on EBay.
Asu 5:32 PM - 14 September, 2014
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yeah he's insane lol by next week 9/22/2014,most reputable retailers should have their first batch of deliveries(2nd batch for Guitar center).
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:26 PM - 17 September, 2014
Anyone have any ideas of how to internally ground these bad boys yet?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:33 PM - 17 September, 2014
Wait.... as I am doing some research....

The Pioneer's Power Plug is a three prong power plug.... Does it even need the ground wire hooked up?
DJ Irv 5:32 PM - 17 September, 2014
It has external RCA's. Loop the ground wire into one of the RCA's with a RCA Y-Splitter. It's still external but very very simple and reversible.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 5:37 PM - 17 September, 2014
Since this is based off the original Super OEM Hanpin design.....

They all had a knob to attach a ground wire to... My Reloops do.... And if I remember correctly my Stantons did as well...

Someone try it without the ground wire attached and let us know! lol
woody008 6:41 PM - 17 September, 2014
The PLX-1000 like the RP-8000 and RP-7000 is a departure of the average Super OEM platform execution and it isn't a typical Super OEM rebatch. Unlike all the previous super oem iterations, the Circuits for the cartridge coils are true separate paths just like on the 1200's and that switch you mentioned is absent altogether so you must use the ground wire or do as DJ Irv suggested.
Asu 6:53 PM - 17 September, 2014
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The PLX-1000 like the RP-8000 and RP-7000 is a departure of the average Super OEM platform execution and it isn't a typical Super OEM rebatch. Unlike all the previous super oem iterations, the Circuits for the cartridge coils are true separate paths just like on the 1200's and that switch you mentioned is absent altogether so you must use the ground wire or do as DJ Irv suggested.


Good info +1
DJ.TORCHMAN 6:55 PM - 17 September, 2014
I just got mine today .... I'm in the uk so our plugs are earthed ... They work fine with and without the earth lead ... Mine are hooked up to the pioneer 900 srt mixer
Asu 7:59 PM - 17 September, 2014
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I just got mine today .... I'm in the uk so our plugs are earthed ... They work fine with and without the earth lead ... Mine are hooked up to the pioneer 900 srt mixer


Good to know man,i'm waiting on mine too :-)
Dj Rehab 8:36 PM - 17 September, 2014
Where are yall seeing that these are Super OEM? The tonearm looks to be way more precise than a Super OEM and the lack of 2 start/ stops as well as no brake/startup adjust. All hanpins have that silly looking tonearm base, even the mack daddy Stantons.
woody008 8:44 PM - 17 September, 2014
If you look closer you will see that that tonearm is mostly made with standard super oem parts, the rest of the parts are made differently to look closer to the original (look closely at everything above the height ring). There are other dead give aways like the platter which is almost identical to the stanton 150's, as a matter of fact, I took the platter off my Stanton 150 and slapped it on my pxl-1000 which fit and worked perfectly. Its a super oem hands down.
Asu 8:49 PM - 17 September, 2014
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If you look closer you will see that that tonearm is mostly made with standard super oem parts, the rest of the parts are made differently to look closer to the original (look closely at everything above the height ring). There are other dead give aways like the platter which is almost identical to the stanton 150's, as a matter of fact, I took the platter off my Stanton 150 and slapped it on my pxl-1000 which fit and worked perfectly. Its a super oem hands down.


There may be a 50% resemblance to some parts,that doesn't make it 100% super oem...my 2 cents...how about we compare it to the 1200 circuitry and go from there
woody008 9:28 PM - 17 September, 2014
I don't mean to speak with finality, I'm merely suggesting some of the clues available on the net but I do have a pair of them in my possession which I had more than 3 weeks so I had the chance to look under the hood and compare the PLX-1000's to my Stanton 150 or my 1200's and I can tell you the circuitry of the PLX-1000 is nothing like the 1200's at all. further more the power transformer, motor, and platter for both the PLX-1000 and the Stanton 150 are virtually identical.
woody008 12:59 AM - 18 September, 2014
Clockwise from top left: Stanton T120C, Stanton ST150, PLX-1000 and Reloop RP-8000.

i1303.photobucket.com

The T120C is based on Super OEM's first generation, The ST150 is based on Super OEM's second generation and both the PLX-1000 and RP-7000/RP8000 are based on Super OEM's third generation.

There you have it. If you want last year's model (last generation) grab a Stanton 150. If you want a good looking capable deck with some features at last generation's price but with this year's performance, the RP-7000 is good for that. If you a back to basics no BS yet stylish eye candy model, get your self a PLX-1000. If you want all the bells and whistles than the RP-8000 is your choice.
Asu 1:08 AM - 18 September, 2014
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If you want all the bells and whistles than the RP-8000 is your choice.


wanted to get the reloops but the platter isn't recessed like 1200's & PLX's...and then there's the issue when you power them down and lose sound from what i've heard.

Anyway thanks for the info,waiting on my PLX's at least we know where to swap parts from lol
Niro 1:15 AM - 18 September, 2014
I use the RP-8000's as my travel set-up, paired with the Krom case it's almost 10lbs lighter then a 1200/ata case combo. I personally don't mind the platter not being recessed, I'm not that heavy handed, so it never scrapes. I've also taught myself to adjust the braking for the power down effect. There's also a few other things, I can't do with it, but overall the RP-8000 is solid for DVS usage and recommended. Can't wait to try the PLX, I'm sure it's probably the same, but you know. :)
Asu 1:21 AM - 18 September, 2014
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I'm sure it's probably the same, but you know. :)


power down on the PLX is as expected,it's pretty much back to the basics...that's why i'm getting one...also thought about dicers vs rp-8000 buttons and things going wrong with buttons...dicers are easy to replace without sending in the whole unit, but to each his own :-)
woody008 1:25 AM - 18 September, 2014
Asu, You're gonna love your pair.
Dj Rehab 1:28 AM - 18 September, 2014
Judging by looks of it the used the same motor part and other electrical parts. It doesn't make sense to use 30 year old technology from a Tech. that motor and board probably are readily available. I would be disappointed if the tonearm was flimsy like a stanton. The tech arm is so much better
woody008 1:45 AM - 18 September, 2014
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Judging by looks of it the used the same motor part and other electrical parts. It doesn't make sense to use 30 year old technology from a Tech. that motor and board probably are readily available. I would be disappointed if the tonearm was flimsy like a stanton. The tech arm is so much better


They have changed the motor drive and function control boards and chips over the years for the better. The motors are more or less the same.

Technics' nearly 40 year old technology is nothing to sneeze at. As far as reliability, rotation speed accuracy , speed drift, w&f and rumble no other contender has equalled or surpassed the original. "that motor board" isn't readily available as it is designed and manufactured proprietary by Hanpin them selves.

I hate to disappoint you but all the Super OEM turntables mention here have virtually identical tonearm pivots and ball bearing gimbals.
Niro 1:54 AM - 18 September, 2014
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I'm sure it's probably the same, but you know. :)


power down on the PLX is as expected,it's pretty much back to the basics...that's why i'm getting one...also thought about dicers vs rp-8000 buttons and things going wrong with buttons...dicers are easy to replace without sending in the whole unit, but to each his own :-)


I don't use the pads on the RP-8000. I tried mapping them to ME, but there was a bug and the midi functions weren't saving. Also, since I only play on them 1/3 of the time and I just use one dicer midi mapped to ME, it wasn't a big deal.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:04 AM - 18 September, 2014
I wonder what made the Stanton 150s weigh so friggin much. All the internal components look the same.
woody008 2:13 AM - 18 September, 2014
Its the top Cabinet. Its a nearly 3/8" thick metal face plate which makes for a heavy component. Its a novel way of dampening resonance but not ideal.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:31 PM - 18 September, 2014
Thought i would share this with everyone... Even though we already know the answer, this came from a Pioneer Tech Support Representative that I emailed a few days back...

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

The PLX-1000 does not have a built in pre amp. You need to make the ground
wire connection to your mixer or amplifier.

Rocky
Customer Service Representative
Mighty Dragon Sounds 5:22 PM - 18 September, 2014
Well this just came in my email to contradict what I said above.....


Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

The unit is internally grounded. The grounding wire is optional in case
you get a hum.

Luana
Product Support Representative
Asu 5:41 PM - 18 September, 2014
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The unit is internally grounded. The grounding wire is optional in case
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I guess this confirms DJ Torchman's info that they work fine either way...that's a relief...means easier setup :-) but the option is welcome
DJ.TORCHMAN 7:35 PM - 18 September, 2014
See I tried and found this out ... The earth wire is optional .. These decks are internally grounded ... If your in the uk using three pin wiring you don't needed an earth as th plug earths it ... But be wear wot country you play in as some don't have an earth in there country ... If your plugs have 2 wires then you'll need to use the earth ,, ... Tweet me @djtorchman
woody008 8:25 PM - 18 September, 2014
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Well this just came in my email to contradict what I said above.....


Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

The unit is internally grounded. The grounding wire is optional in case
you get a hum.

Luana
Product Support Representative


I find this piece of info interesting so I took a closer look at the grounding scheme of the PLX. The phono is indeed "internally grounded" but not like the 1200's are usually done. The phono's ground shares a common with the plug's ground so if the ground is good at the power plug you're all set but if the ground has a problem at the plug then that's when you'll need the ground wire to the mixer.

The signal path is of the phono's left and right remain truly separate.
Asu 11:05 PM - 18 September, 2014
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The phono is indeed "internally grounded" but not like the 1200's are usually done. The phono's ground shares a common with the plug's ground so if the ground is good at the power plug you're all set but if the ground has a problem at the plug then that's when you'll need the ground wire to the mixer.


that's smart thinking on pio's end to give us 2 options :-)
deejdave 12:43 AM - 19 September, 2014
MY PLX's are in my area code!!! I was NOT home when they attempted delivery :( Tomorrow is the day!!!
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:55 AM - 19 September, 2014
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MY PLX's are in my area code!!! I was NOT home when they attempted delivery :( Tomorrow is the day!!!



Give us 3 hours of non stop back spins and scratching without the ground plug and video tape it so that we can finally debunk this mystery for the general public!!!!

Hahaha... I said "Video Tape"

oh gosh do people even still say "Video Tape" any more?
deejdave 1:31 AM - 19 September, 2014
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MY PLX's are in my area code!!! I was NOT home when they attempted delivery :( Tomorrow is the day!!!



Give us 3 hours of non stop back spins and scratching without the ground plug and video tape it so that we can finally debunk this mystery for the general public!!!!

Hahaha... I said "Video Tape"

oh gosh do people even still say "Video Tape" any more?

LMAO. I will know for sure tomorrow.
deejdave 1:32 AM - 19 September, 2014
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oh gosh do people even still say "Video Tape" any more?

Honestly I think this is ONLY said when someone is planning a sex tape............... LOL
sumoJr 2:03 AM - 19 September, 2014
MDS you arent getting a pair? some gear whore you are
I would like to hear a side by side comparison

is grounding a turntable that big of a deal, its about two finger/thumb rotations
Asu 2:09 AM - 19 September, 2014
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I would like to hear a side by side comparison

is grounding a turntable that big of a deal, its about two finger/thumb rotations


not if you're connecting them to dvs enabled controllers etc lol

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congs bro,mine should be here next week :-)
deejdave 2:21 AM - 19 September, 2014
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congs bro,mine should be here next week :-)
sumoJr 2:22 AM - 19 September, 2014
hrmm?
I an old I guess my set up is two turntables and a mixer
what would you need a controller for you if have turntables?
deejdave 2:22 AM - 19 September, 2014
Thanks I am beyond excited.
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not if you're connecting them to dvs enabled controllers etc lol

What do you mean?
Asu 2:38 AM - 19 September, 2014
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not if you're connecting them to dvs enabled controllers etc lol

What do you mean?


No grounding terminals that's what i meant on DDJ-SX2 or SZ...not sure though
deejdave 3:01 AM - 19 September, 2014
I have the SZ so I can say that def DOES have the ground terminal.
deejdave 3:04 AM - 19 September, 2014
Not sure for the SX2 yet though. I will know when it comes in although I just checked my DDJ-SX and that has one too so I am positive the SX2 will have one as well.
deejdave 1:38 AM - 20 September, 2014
LOVE 'Em. No grounding needed here in the states. I have the three prong cable connected to the power conditioner which is connected to a surge protector which is connected to the wall. Three prong throughout. No hum of any kind present.
deejdave 2:06 AM - 20 September, 2014
Not that I car at all but I was VERY surprised to NOT see the famous (infamous) PIONEER branding across the sides or front/back. Also interesting to see the kensington lock slot on a TT LOL.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:22 AM - 20 September, 2014
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LOVE 'Em. No grounding needed here in the states. I have the three prong cable connected to the power conditioner which is connected to a surge protector which is connected to the wall. Three prong throughout. No hum of any kind present.



PEW PEW PEW!!!!!!
deejdave 2:26 AM - 20 September, 2014
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PEW PEW PEW!!!!!!

LOL I literally have no idea what this means let alone whether it is good or bad...................
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:49 AM - 20 September, 2014
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PEW PEW PEW!!!!!!

LOL I literally have no idea what this means let alone whether it is good or bad...................



Shape your hands in the shape of a gun.....

Step 1: Make Fist....

Step 2: Point Fist Out In Front

Step 3: Make a thumbs up sign

Step 4: Point with your index finger

Step 5: Say "PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!!!!"

INSTANT LASER GUN!!!!!!

LICK SHOT!!!!!!

BOYAKA!!!!!!!!

Its like going Bup Bup Bup!!!!!!


Means a good thing... lol
deejdave 3:01 AM - 20 September, 2014
Ahhhh BRRRRRRat!!


Hahahaha I will say I DID think of a laser LOL.


By the way I missed the delivery AGAIN so I had to pick up at the UPS warehouse. HOLY F!!!! The line was out the door because of the iPhone 6,984 release!!!

One last thing the RCA cables that came with the PLX are actually a much better quality than Pioneer usually sends out with its gear. Thicker Gauge and gold plated. Even with the 2000 Nexus's they were the typical cheap thin non gold plated type if I remember correctly.


I wonder if they will be offering these in any different colors. The unit gives off a VERY dark appearance. Even the dust cover is smoked. I have a 1210 in black but even that seemed not quite as dark. My mind may be playing tricks on me but just an observation.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:17 AM - 20 September, 2014
Are they these???

pioneerdj.com
deejdave 3:21 AM - 20 September, 2014
Hah I wish. THAT would be amazing. Nah just higher quality generic RCA's. Instead of the $5 ones they are the $10 ones lol. Just figured I would share it being even with such a minimal difference it is very rare considering $5 x the thousands of unite they sell amounts to quite a bit.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:50 AM - 20 September, 2014
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I wonder if they will be offering these in any different colors. The unit gives off a VERY dark appearance. Even the dust cover is smoked. I have a 1210 in black but even that seemed not quite as dark. My mind may be playing tricks on me but just an observation.



My favorite all time color is the Piano Black (With the Speckles) on the M5Gs....
Asu 6:26 AM - 20 September, 2014
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Also interesting to see the kensington lock slot on a TT LOL.


you know what that means...club standard is the goal :-)
Asu 6:29 AM - 20 September, 2014
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Even the dust cover is smoked. I have a 1210 in black but even that seemed not quite as dark. My mind may be playing tricks on me but just an observation.


so you rolled up the dust cover and smoked it lol,no wonder you're havin mind problems lol,glad you got yours
Laz219 1:21 PM - 20 September, 2014
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Not that I car at all but I was VERY surprised to NOT see the famous (infamous) PIONEER branding across the sides or front/back. Also interesting to see the kensington lock slot on a TT LOL.


Didn't think of that, but now you say it- I'm surprised too.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:36 PM - 20 September, 2014
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Not that I car at all but I was VERY surprised to NOT see the famous (infamous) PIONEER branding across the sides or front/back. Also interesting to see the kensington lock slot on a TT LOL.


Didn't think of that, but now you say it- I'm surprised too.



They probably tried it and someone was like...

"Holy $H!T that looks ugly...."
DJ Quartz 3:13 PM - 20 September, 2014
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I wonder if they will be offering these in any different colors. The unit gives off a VERY dark appearance. Even the dust cover is smoked. I have a 1210 in black but even that seemed not quite as dark. My mind may be playing tricks on me but just an observation.


Where are the pics??
deejdave 8:49 PM - 20 September, 2014
.................................. give me ten mins. I'll shoot them now.
woody008 9:05 PM - 20 September, 2014
Here is a couple of albums. The first one is of a few pics of the PLX-1000 in use, The second album is of the insides of the PLX.

s1303.photobucket.com

s1303.photobucket.com

The second album has titles and descriptions for each picture, be sure to read them.
deejdave 10:22 PM - 20 September, 2014
www.dropbox.com


YAYY Sorry I HAD to add the pic of the Pioneer family. I'm thinking of snapping a pic of all the gear together now.......................................... it's a sickness.
DJSCIASCIA 10:29 PM - 20 September, 2014
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www.dropbox.com


YAYY Sorry I HAD to add the pic of the Pioneer family. I'm thinking of snapping a pic of all the gear together now.......................................... it's a sickness.


Nice. I see u still have the oldshool crown powertechs. I had them and they were decent amps at the time.
deejdave 10:32 PM - 20 September, 2014
Yeah I still use passive at the homefront. I've been spoiled by powered while gigging but for home amps/passive are the way being it is practically permanent install. I still like to make up my own speakerboxes every now & then so I need to use amps LOL.
DJSCIASCIA 1:08 AM - 21 September, 2014
I would love to jump on the passive bandwagon but I have a hard time giving up on my srx715's and ls808's. They do the job every time and sound great.
DJSCIASCIA 1:09 AM - 21 September, 2014
I meant active bandwagon
deejayavery 2:26 AM - 21 September, 2014
Just picked mine up today. I will provide my 2 cents and a quick review. First let me preface, that I am truly an old school dj. I've been DJ'ing since 92' and didn't covert to Serato until 2 years ago and still buy vinyl to this day!

I know I know. In my defence, I had a kid 3 years ago and that took me away from spinning every weekend. But I did eventually got on to Serato.

So I picked up my PLX 1000's this evening and was super excited to try them out. The first thing I notice is the torque. Picks up a lot more and noticeably so. The dust covers don't have any hinges (which I found a little odd). But other than that, it's a solid piece and very pleased with my purchase. Well done Pioneer!
deejayavery 2:29 AM - 21 September, 2014
oh BTW - I really hope Pioneer keeps it clean and simple. No extra bells and whistles and hopefully the tables will go back in the clubs.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:51 AM - 21 September, 2014
I was thinking, whenever I get mine, to do a side by side review with my Reloop RP-8000s..... but I don't think that would be fair.....
 6 3:54 AM - 21 September, 2014
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Just picked mine up today. I will provide my 2 cents and a quick review. First let me preface, that I am truly an old school dj. I've been DJ'ing since 92' and didn't covert to Serato until 2 years ago and still buy vinyl to this day!

I know I know. In my defence, I had a kid 3 years ago and that took me away from spinning every weekend. But I did eventually got on to Serato.

So I picked up my PLX 1000's this evening and was super excited to try them out. The first thing I notice is the torque. Picks up a lot more and noticeably so. The dust covers don't have any hinges (which I found a little odd). But other than that, it's a solid piece and very pleased with my purchase. Well done Pioneer!


Technics was doing the same thing. No cover hinges.

nn
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:19 AM - 21 September, 2014
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Technics was doing the same thing. No cover hinges.

nn



Yeap.... My MK2s had the hinges.... but my M3Ds and my M5Gs didn't have them. You had to purchase the bracket separately but I never tried it myself.
deejdave 6:01 AM - 21 September, 2014
Honestly I was pleasantly surprised. I would probably have used them which would have led to me being uber careful not to break them or anything. I have actually already provided two points at which I would have caused damage to the Technics dust covers. Nothing huge but scratches in the least and NOTHING. Not even a hairline scratch came of it. Again not trying to create a pedestal just an observation.

One thing I made sure of was to be careful when cutting the tape on the boxes. I remember seeing somewhere that someone accidentally scratched the covers. Not trying to be "that guy" but two things. A.) I am thinking an over excessive "tape cutting" practice was in motion and B.) There had to be 1" at the least from tape to cover. HOW DEEP did you have the knife? LOL. Not only that there is only a few inches of space where the bottom cardboard flaps don't add that extra layer. I am only teasing but my fiance had a riot when I was opening the box like "NO NO NO GOTTA be careful NOW!!!" LOL Like I was doing surgery on the president or something................... LOL Then I open the nox and the cover is FAR from harm.

Again just teasing. Better to be safe than sorry and I always appreciate off the main course tips that are provided to help out.


MY GOD though I had more fun DJing today than I have in a very long time and I can say it was the PLX-1000's that made it happen.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 6:46 AM - 21 September, 2014
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Honestly I was pleasantly surprised. I would probably have used them which would have led to me being uber careful not to break them or anything. I have actually already provided two points at which I would have caused damage to the Technics dust covers. Nothing huge but scratches in the least and NOTHING. Not even a hairline scratch came of it. Again not trying to create a pedestal just an observation.

One thing I made sure of was to be careful when cutting the tape on the boxes. I remember seeing somewhere that someone accidentally scratched the covers. Not trying to be "that guy" but two things. A.) I am thinking an over excessive "tape cutting" practice was in motion and B.) There had to be 1" at the least from tape to cover. HOW DEEP did you have the knife? LOL. Not only that there is only a few inches of space where the bottom cardboard flaps don't add that extra layer. I am only teasing but my fiance had a riot when I was opening the box like "NO NO NO GOTTA be careful NOW!!!" LOL Like I was doing surgery on the president or something................... LOL Then I open the nox and the cover is FAR from harm.

Again just teasing. Better to be safe than sorry and I always appreciate off the main course tips that are provided to help out.


MY GOD though I had more fun DJing today than I have in a very long time and I can say it was the PLX-1000's that made it happen.



PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!!!!!!!!!
deejdave 6:48 AM - 21 September, 2014
LOL
Mr. Goodkat 5:04 PM - 21 September, 2014
turntables make djing exponentially more fun for me. cdjs are too sterile and if i want to do a little scratch or just mess around, its never the same. i would assume controllers are the same at best.
DJ Tecniq 6:27 PM - 21 September, 2014
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Here is a couple of albums. The first one is of a few pics of the PLX-1000 in use, The second album is of the insides of the PLX.

s1303.photobucket.com

s1303.photobucket.com

The second album has titles and descriptions for each picture, be sure to read them.
WOW looks almost like it was plasti dipped. I think they are ugly but that's my opinion. You can barely see the lights on the tempo speeds.
deejdave 6:46 PM - 21 September, 2014
The strobe light indicator actually seems perfect to me. It highlights what you are looking for (Strobe patterns) while not reflecting anything else.

While I used the term "dark" earlier ugly is not a term I would use at all. Stunning is more like it. I am a fan.
sumoJr 6:56 PM - 21 September, 2014
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I was thinking, whenever I get mine, to do a side by side review with my Reloop RP-8000s..... but I don't think that would be fair.....



how come?
does seem like you get more with the 8000

I am itching to spend money and its a toss up between right now
and I could get a deal on some 8000s.
woody008 7:45 PM - 21 September, 2014
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WOW looks almost like it was plasti dipped. I think they are ugly but that's my opinion. You can barely see the lights on the tempo speeds.


Your in the minority. May its the lighting on the pics but this deck look like M5G's in brushed aluminium and the strobe dots are plenty visible.
woody008 7:52 PM - 21 September, 2014
If you want a better looksee here are the official picture from Pioneer:
s1303.photobucket.com
Mighty Dragon Sounds 8:35 PM - 21 September, 2014
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I was thinking, whenever I get mine, to do a side by side review with my Reloop RP-8000s..... but I don't think that would be fair.....



how come?
does seem like you get more with the 8000

I am itching to spend money and its a toss up between right now
and I could get a deal on some 8000s.


Wanna buy mine? lol

The troubles of being a gear whore...
deejdave 9:14 PM - 21 September, 2014
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If you want a better looksee here are the official picture from Pioneer:
s1303.photobucket.com

Well yes getting the pics from Pioneer is possible but what fun is that? LOL pioneerdj.com
Asu 9:44 PM - 21 September, 2014
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turntables make djing exponentially more fun for me. cdjs are too sterile and if i want to do a little scratch or just mess around, its never the same. i would assume controllers are the same at best.


Don't forget the cool factor :-) and for some reason the ladies love it
DJ Tecniq 12:52 AM - 22 September, 2014
I just don't like the rotation 33/45 speeds. They could of made those silver and "pop" out more. The whole turntable is dark besides the platter. Some color could of been added is all I'm saying.
deejdave 12:56 AM - 22 September, 2014
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The whole turntable is dark besides the platter.

I absolutely agree. On their own I would have mad a few subtle changes. No harm in having preferences. I feel like the rest of the Pioneer gear compliments them or visa versa though.
deejdave 1:02 AM - 22 September, 2014
But again I am digging the dark look. Pioneer took a surprising subtle road. Almost like "we'll let the product do the talking"..................................... I am digging them. I really needed this second wind of TT's. Not that I felt they were dying out but this certainly gave me a new appreciation. I have work tomorrow morning and I miss the already. Let's see the last time I had this feeling towards DJ gear was when I FIRST got my Nexus setup.

I'm getting married in 2 1/2 weeks. I bought my first home this past July. I JUST found out 3 weeks ago that I am going to be a father and............................... these TT's are giving me the biggest smile LMAO OK maybe that's a little much but I will say I am having the year of my life here.
spinnyspin 1:03 AM - 22 September, 2014
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One thing I made sure of was to be careful when cutting the tape on the boxes. I remember seeing somewhere that someone accidentally scratched the covers. Not trying to be "that guy" but two things. A.) I am thinking an over excessive "tape cutting" practice was in motion and B.) There had to be 1" at the least from tape to cover. HOW DEEP did you have the knife? LOL. Not only that there is only a few inches of space where the bottom cardboard flaps don't add that extra layer. I am only teasing but my fiance had a riot when I was opening the box like "NO NO NO GOTTA be careful NOW!!!" LOL Like I was doing surgery on the president or something................... LOL Then I open the nox and the cover is FAR from harm.



Hahahaha. That was me with the shallow cut warning! Now that you say it I'm actually not positive I caused the scratch opening the box (may have already been scratched from the factory) but the scratch was right down the middle and below where the blade was and I scored the area 2x and a little deeper than usual so I just figured that's what happened. Glad yours came through unharmed and hope the Mrs. doesn't make fun of you for your surgical precision for too long.

+1 on whoever said these make DJing more fun... they definitely do. As much as I appreciated controller cutting sessions (smaller non-motorized platter is much harder, so moving up vinyl felt easy).
deejdave 1:09 AM - 22 September, 2014
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hope the Mrs. doesn't make fun of you for your surgical precision for too long.

Yeah she got me there. I was like "GET AWAY............... I GOT THIS!!!" LOL

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As much as I appreciated controller cutting sessions (smaller non-motorized platter is much harder, so moving up vinyl felt easy).

Yeah. Definitely NOT hating on the controllers. They have earned a permanent place in my grind but I found myself not practicing as much with them. Things also felt very repetitive and I found myself relying on the software for my kicks mostly. ENTER PLX's. Now I still got my Tech's so granted I could have whipped them out at any point and got the feeling back but I mean let's be honest. What gets your heart pumping more. The tried & true car you have had for years (even though it is powerful & reliable) or the new 2014 version even if it was the same model.

As always I will be the first to admit I have the gear whore sickness down BUT this has got to be my favorite symptom yet in a VERY long time.
sumoJr 5:03 AM - 22 September, 2014
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I was thinking, whenever I get mine, to do a side by side review with my Reloop RP-8000s..... but I don't think that would be fair.....



how come?
does seem like you get more with the 8000

I am itching to spend money and its a toss up between right now
and I could get a deal on some 8000s.


Wanna buy mine? lol

The troubles of being a gear whore...


shipped to Canada?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 5:57 AM - 22 September, 2014
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shipped to Canada?



*Ducks Moderators*

shhhhh...... shhhh!!!!

*Nods Head*

lol

Will let you know if and when I decide.
woody008 4:32 AM - 23 September, 2014
Well I have discovered the first mayor flaw on the PLX-1000's. The brushed aluminium finish gets scratched or dent very easily. I seriously don't see this decks taking a beating on the clubs like the 1200's can. The top cabinet on the Stanton 150's is way tougher than the PLX's is. Freaking sucks but I looks like PLX owners are gonna have to baby them around.
Asu 11:22 AM - 23 September, 2014
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Well I have discovered the first mayor flaw on the PLX-1000's. The brushed aluminium finish gets scratched or dent very easily. I seriously don't see this decks taking a beating on the clubs like the 1200's can. The top cabinet on the Stanton 150's is way tougher than the PLX's is. Freaking sucks but I looks like PLX owners are gonna have to baby them around.


do you mean scratch easily or dent? because if you can dent an Aluminum die-cast peace of gear,like a Macbook pro or PLX,then that's user error/carelessness...can't blame the manufacturer for that
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:12 PM - 23 September, 2014
I'm surprised 12inchskinz hasn't put out a cover for them yet.
Mr. Goodkat 5:12 PM - 23 September, 2014
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Well I have discovered the first mayor flaw on the PLX-1000's. The brushed aluminium finish gets scratched or dent very easily. I seriously don't see this decks taking a beating on the clubs like the 1200's can. The top cabinet on the Stanton 150's is way tougher than the PLX's is. Freaking sucks but I looks like PLX owners are gonna have to baby them around.


if you are denting your tts, or any gear for that matter, you're doing it wrong.
Asu 5:39 PM - 23 September, 2014
I think woody is the same guy that ripped one apart...in that scenario,you could have scratched something imho moving parts around
Asu 5:41 PM - 23 September, 2014
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I'm surprised 12inchskinz hasn't put out a cover for them yet.

they probably will...hopefully magnetic,it'd be crazy to get glue on your PLX :-)
DJ Irv 6:37 PM - 23 September, 2014
if the top case is aluminum. Magnets should not work on it.
deejdave 11:38 PM - 23 September, 2014
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if the top case is aluminum. Magnets should not work on it.

HAHAHA Yeah I was like .............................. uhhhhhhh? Needs to be ferrous (Containing Iron Hence the "Fe" LOL) metal for magnets to work (Brass, copper, lead, Aluminum, Gold, Silver, etc................ all non ferrous).


They seem plenty tough for my purposes. I have yet to have a scratch or dent on any of y current gear though. As I said earlier I rotate my gear a LOT so no ONE piece gets too much use. This way everything stays in like new condition. I think my PLX's will be the centerpiece of my home setup anyways.


Do you have a pic of this scratch/dent
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:55 AM - 24 September, 2014
I play out with my turntables all the time.... If I get the PLXs.... The same thing!
woody008 1:28 AM - 24 September, 2014
Relax people, it's not like I go knocking my decks with a 40 pound mallet.

Dave take a good close look at your pair, you will notice the top cabinet is made of two layers. The tough die cast layer is under a thin layer of brushed aluminium similar to the thin aluminium found on the NI Maschine. That thin layer is what gives the PLX that gorgeous brushed aluminium look and it is fragile.

All you guys outright refuting my finding should ask some questions before calling "user error" or dismissing altogether. I have owned countless pieces of equipment which include no less than 45 SL1200 Mark II's (I currently have 14 in my possession) and not one of them ever suffered a dent under my care even under the rigours of travel and whatever scratches I did produce were the result of considerable force, the PLX with the fresh dent however, was the result of me dropping the 45 RPM adaptor on the deck from no more than 9 or 10 inches of height. In my days I remember seeing others drop heavier objects on top 1200's, resulting in no damage whatsoever.

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Do you have a pic of this scratch/dent


I don't thing my phone camera can take that detailed of a pic but I'll give it a shot.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:07 AM - 25 September, 2014
Well I guess in terms of overall Toughness.....

Technics 1200 > Pioneer PLX 1000s....


Kinda like comparing the New USS Enterprise to the original One from back in the 1960s era TV Shows....... It took much more damage back then......

Or a 1969 Mustang to a modern day variant.......

Or a 70s era female pornstar to the ones we have today.......
deejdave 12:12 AM - 25 September, 2014
LMAO good stuff. Just take care of your gear is all. Problem solved. Take care of your pornstars too!!




IMAGINE YOUR LIFE WITHOUT THEM....................................... durrr the turntables that is LOL
sumoJr 12:19 AM - 25 September, 2014
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Or a 70s era female pornstar to the ones we have today.......



todays pornstars are as tough as shit

back in the day there was no such thing as dvda
or war machine
Mighty Dragon Sounds 12:26 AM - 25 September, 2014
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Or a 70s era female pornstar to the ones we have today.......



todays pornstars are as tough as shit

back in the day there was no such thing as dvda
or war machine



True that true that.... I take back that part....

Plus standards are higher now so the stars gotta be tougher.....
deejdave 12:31 AM - 25 September, 2014
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back in the day there was no such thing as dvda
or war machine

Ehhhh for all we know they did and we just NEVER heard about it being they knew how to keep their mouth shut!!! LMAO j/k that is horrible!!!
DJ Quartz 1:50 PM - 25 September, 2014
This is interesting not because I wish the M5G's came with the updated motor an couple other things.

From what I see there are still some construction issues I might have especially when I hear you can dent or scratch them easily.

Does the paint scratch off like the Stanton finish or is it an actually scratch in the metal?
Mr. Goodkat 9:22 PM - 25 September, 2014
checked the one out in the club last nite and didn't see any scratched or dings. been in rotation 3 nights a week for a month now, with 2 nights of djs using it.
Asu 10:27 PM - 25 September, 2014
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checked the one out in the club last nite and didn't see any scratched or dings. been in rotation 3 nights a week for a month now, with 2 nights of djs using it.


Like i said,i think woody scratched it while moving parts around as he took it apart to checkout the insides :-) i mean by comparison, the SX isn't that tough and mine has no scratches and many others i've seen
woody008 4:17 AM - 26 September, 2014
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Like i said,i think woody scratched it while moving parts around as he took it apart to checkout the insides :-) i mean by comparison, the SX isn't that tough and mine has no scratches and many others i've seen


I never said I "scratched it while moving parts around".
Asu 6:35 PM - 26 September, 2014
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I never said I "scratched it while moving parts around".


No offence,that was just my thinking.

Meanwhile,just got an e-mail from FedEx...mine just got delivered but I'm not home...TGIF...can't wait to try 'em out :-)
deejdave 4:32 AM - 27 September, 2014
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I never said I "scratched it while moving parts around".


No offence,that was just my thinking.

Meanwhile,just got an e-mail from FedEx...mine just got delivered but I'm not home...TGIF...can't wait to try 'em out :-)

They didn't require a signature?
blackavenger 4:41 AM - 27 September, 2014
Dave, do you own Techs? If so, which ones? A man w' as much gear as you have, how do you "rate" the PLX-1000? Especially compared to a pair of Techs. For a while now, I have been feeling a bit of "sellers" remorse for getting rid of my M5Gs. I am wondering if the PLX-1000's can fill that void? I refuse to spend 2,000+ for a pair of M5Gs to replace that which I already sold, but if these are close, I would be interested in buying some decks again.
deejdave 5:22 AM - 27 September, 2014
I have 1200MK2 x 2 and I THINK I have 1210's. LOL Embarrassingly enough I can't seem to find them though. I though for sure they were in the basement or garage but I have not used them since the move.


The PLX's are by all means up to par. They have a SOLID structure with a SX type template on the top. The SX had this template on top of plastic which lead to the different properties hence the warping in some secluded cases. The PLX's will NOT have such an issue being the faceplate is aluminum sitting on top of aluminum. I am almost certain it is solid aluminum. I am not willing to do a scratch test to be sure. I have had PLENTY of 1200's apart to repair them but I again am NOT willing to void my warranty on the PLX's by opening them up. The Torque on paper is substantially higher on the PLX's but this is on paper. I never had too much issues with the torque. The PLX's do NOT require a ground as long as you keep the ground circuit intact from unit to wall. The M5G's IMO have a more traditional feel (possibly even smoother) but the pitch (+/-50%) as opposed to the 16% for the M5G's is nice. If you hate the concept of physically modding gear (permanent mods which decreased the value in the long run) yet LOVE the results of said mods (LED lights, grounding, upgraded RCA's etc.) then the PLX seems even more appealing.

Again I am a huge fan of these players yet I will always be a huge fan of Technics. For the record I had the M5G but only one. To answer bluntly YES the PLX's are close IMO

In a nutshell
PLX-1000 < SL1210M5G
PLX-1000 > SL1200MK2
PLX-1000 > SL1210MK2-MK5



again NOT trying to piss anyone off and these are strictly MY opinions.
Jairen 11:38 AM - 27 September, 2014
I will chime in on this. I had the pleasure to play with the new PLX's last week. I must say, they are rather nice!

Keep in mind, I own a pair of M5G's so I'm a little spoiled. Bought them for about $700/pair on clearance at GC back in the day and have owned MK2's, M3D's, MK5's.

Playing on them regularly with the usual mixing, scratching, juggling, it feels just like a Tech. No surprise there. Does, it have more torque? With regular use, I don't feel much of a difference. It may on paper.

Downside:
1. Heavier than Techs.
2. The pitch feels cheap to me compared to M5G's.
3. The pitch isn't lit. Helps in dark situations. Not a big deal though.
4. The start/stop button feels cheap.

Other than that, excellent turntable! I still prefer the M5G's over the PLX-1000, but would prefer the PLX-1000's over MK2's.

I agree with deejdave's statement of:
PLX-1000 < SL1210M5G
PLX-1000 > SL1200MK2
PLX-1000 > SL1210MK2-MK5
Asu 1:02 PM - 27 September, 2014
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I agree with deejdave's statement of:
PLX-1000 < SL1210M5G
PLX-1000 > SL1200MK2
PLX-1000 > SL1210MK2-MK5


+1


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They didn't require a signature?


That's what i was wondering too...wife was home but she didn't hear the guy knock...he left it outside my door.we live in a fairly safe gated complex but i still thought that was risky...FedEx apparently allows it in some situations...this is the second time they made a delivery that way.
deejdave 2:03 PM - 27 September, 2014
I mean it is weird but convenient as long as things go the right way. I missed my delivery of them TWICE and when I did finally go to pick it up at the warehouse it was INFESTED with iPhone 6 buyers. I am glad those dark times (like the worst 18 hours of my life!!! just kidding BTW LOL) are OVER!!
Asu 2:34 PM - 27 September, 2014
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I mean it is weird but convenient as long as things go the right way. I missed my delivery of them TWICE and when I did finally go to pick it up at the warehouse it was INFESTED with iPhone 6 buyers. I am glad those dark times (like the worst 18 hours of my life!!! just kidding BTW LOL) are OVER!!


oh yeah...my thoughts too....at least I got my PLX after waiting this long...it's a really good TT,better than SL1200MK2 & SL1210MK2-MK5 like you guys said...weldone pioneer :-) love the polished black finish,looks really cool
deejdave 2:43 PM - 27 September, 2014
Absolutely DOES. Enjoy!!! I am firing them up for the day right now actually!
Mighty Dragon Sounds 9:22 PM - 27 September, 2014
Someone please translate.... Reloop RP 8000 vs Pioneer PLX 1000

Watchwww.youtube.com
Asu 9:58 PM - 27 September, 2014
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Absolutely DOES. Enjoy!!! I am firing them up for the day right now actually!


I'm very very satisfied with my purchase :-) done testing with Scratch Live...feels good...you can slightly feel that extra torque.

Threw on a Lionel Richie Record (Can't Slow Down) sound quality is amazing with the Shure Whitelabel :-) win win
deejdave 10:26 PM - 27 September, 2014
U hear ya there. TBH I have been using them more without the timecode than WITH!! Having a blast too!!
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Reloop RP 8000 vs Pioneer PLX 1000

I am curious as well and TBH as I have stated before even with my heavy buying habits I don't think I would personally purchase Reloop anything without hearing multiple positive reviews from individuals who know what they are talking about.
Asu 11:22 PM - 27 September, 2014
There's 2 or 3 things i don't like about the Reloop...the platter isn't recessed like PLX or Techs,intergrated MIDI buttons present future issues where the whole unit must be sent in if something goes wrong and when you power down...you instantly lose sound...many of us use that as an effect...pioneer remembered that :-)

so PLX for me is back to basics like Technics :-)

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U hear ya there. TBH I have been using them more without the timecode than WITH!! Having a blast too!!


Yup,same here...they're as excellent as they look :-)
blackavenger 2:06 AM - 28 September, 2014
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Someone please translate.... Reloop RP 8000 vs Pioneer PLX 1000

Watchwww.youtube.com

Well, I don't speak a lick of German, but it's pretty obvious that he prefers the Reloops to the Pioneers.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:08 AM - 28 September, 2014
The more I think of it.... I kinda want to keep my RP 8000s and purchase the PLXs as a secondary option.
1 NYC DJ 3:11 PM - 28 September, 2014
Here are pic of the insides of the PLX1000.

www.dropbox.com

www.dropbox.com

www.dropbox.com

Enjoy.
deejdave 6:45 PM - 28 September, 2014
How does one gain the courage to open such a beautiful specimen up?
1 NYC DJ 6:59 PM - 28 September, 2014
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How does one gain the courage to open such a beautiful specimen up?


Curiosity got the best of me. I can tell you I was not disappointed.
deejdave 7:03 PM - 28 September, 2014
Hey NOT saying I am NOT glad you did! LOL. Thanks bud!! Some good stuff there!
spinnyspin 11:53 PM - 28 September, 2014
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Someone please translate.... Reloop RP 8000 vs Pioneer PLX 1000

Watchwww.youtube.com

Well, I don't speak a lick of German, but it's pretty obvious that he prefers the Reloops to the Pioneers.


My german is rusty but his general take is: both are solidly constructed and similar to the Technics predecessors. The Reloop packs more features and a lower price, so he thinks it's the better value. He also likes the Reloop button feel more.
deejdave 11:58 PM - 28 September, 2014
I am not sure if this can be blamed on the rusty German you spoke of but the Reloops cost more than the Pioneer's so this kinda makes no sense.
spinnyspin 12:02 AM - 29 September, 2014
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I am not sure if this can be blamed on the rusty German you spoke of but the Reloops cost more than the Pioneer's so this kinda makes no sense.


Different prices for different markets. He says Reloop lists at 599 vs Pio 699. You don't even need German for that part, check 7 mins into the video he puts the prices on the screen lol
Mr. Goodkat 12:03 AM - 29 September, 2014
maybe in germany? conversion rates/tarriffs and such?
DJ Tecniq 12:05 AM - 29 September, 2014
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I am not sure if this can be blamed on the rusty German you spoke of but the Reloops cost more than the Pioneer's so this kinda makes no sense.


Different prices for different markets. He says Reloop lists at 599 vs Pio 699. You don't even need German for that part, check 7 mins into the video he puts the prices on the screen lol
Reloop RP8000 are listed at $799 US and Pioneer PLX-1000 are $697
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Mr. Goodkat 12:15 AM - 29 September, 2014
www.amazon.de

597eu in germany rt now.
Mr. Goodkat 12:16 AM - 29 September, 2014
578 eu -- my bad
deejdave 12:53 AM - 29 September, 2014
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Different prices for different markets. He says Reloop lists at 599 vs Pio 699. You don't even need German for that part, check 7 mins into the video he puts the prices on the screen lol
Yeah I guess I shoulda watched it. Then again it is certainly different when you don't know a single word they are saying and I couldn't sit through it.
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maybe in germany? conversion rates/tarriffs and such?

True dat!! MAKES more sense that way IMO. It seems weird the other way around as it in the states TBH. Any honest opinions form anyone here on the PLX Vs. Reloop. I have seen the lists of negatives for the Reloops. I have the PLX's myself. But I have not seen (in English LOL) any real showdown between the two yet. Also ARE the Technics soncidered a predecessor to the 8000's? I can vouch that the influence was strong with the PLX's but it seems they went a different direction altogether with the 8000's when watching 1200's Vs 8000's comparisons etc.
Jumbo Boogie 1:39 AM - 29 September, 2014
A fair price comparison would be the rp7000 to the plx1000
spinnyspin 1:49 AM - 29 September, 2014
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Different prices for different markets. He says Reloop lists at 599 vs Pio 699. You don't even need German for that part, check 7 mins into the video he puts the prices on the screen lol
Yeah I guess I shoulda watched it. Then again it is certainly different when you don't know a single word they are saying and I couldn't sit through it.
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maybe in germany? conversion rates/tarriffs and such?

True dat!! MAKES more sense that way IMO. It seems weird the other way around as it in the states TBH. Any honest opinions form anyone here on the PLX Vs. Reloop. I have seen the lists of negatives for the Reloops. I have the PLX's myself. But I have not seen (in English LOL) any real showdown between the two yet. Also ARE the Technics soncidered a predecessor to the 8000's? I can vouch that the influence was strong with the PLX's but it seems they went a different direction altogether with the 8000's when watching 1200's Vs 8000's comparisons etc.


According to the guy the 3 (Technics/Pio/Reloop) share a lot of the same internals, and most of the differences are cosmetic/features/personal preference. They show some pictures of those in the later section of the vid too. You could always watch on mute w/ some tunes :)

IMO for the US market the Pio vs Reloop battle pretty much comes down to whether you're actually going to use the extra features so that it would be worth the extra dough. I like dedicated devices for my buttons and I also didn't want them built into the TT because that's just more stuff that can break/accidentally get pressed. If the Reloops were cheaper here I'd have to think more about it...
deejdave 2:09 AM - 29 September, 2014
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If the Reloops were cheaper here I'd have to think more about it...

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same here.

When I go controller I want it ALLL in one. When I go modular I prefer true modular. When I DO use my Rane 64 I still depend on my SP1 over the cue point (etc) buttons on the 64. Just a preference though. I have yet to see any owner actually hate the reloops what is what I expected so I am absolutely guessing they are better than I initially gave them credit for. I honestly just assumed there was no way Reloop got it right on their first try............... Even if they didn't get it perfect apparently they got close enough.............. maybe.
woody008 3:48 AM - 29 September, 2014
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According to the guy the 3 (Technics/Pio/Reloop) share a lot of the same internals, and most of the differences are cosmetic/features/personal preference.


This is false. The Technics SL 1200 Mark II's are totally different altogether both in technology and construction and do not share any internals with the PLX-1000 or the RP-8000.
woody008 3:52 AM - 29 September, 2014
Actually, the pop up light is virtually identical on both, the PLX-1000 and the 1200's, but that it.
spinnyspin 4:08 AM - 29 September, 2014
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According to the guy the 3 (Technics/Pio/Reloop) share a lot of the same internals, and most of the differences are cosmetic/features/personal preference.


This is false. The Technics SL 1200 Mark II's are totally different altogether both in technology and construction and do not share any internals with the PLX-1000 or the RP-8000.

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According to the guy the 3 (Technics/Pio/Reloop) share a lot of the same internals, and most of the differences are cosmetic/features/personal preference.


This is false. The Technics SL 1200 Mark II's are totally different altogether both in technology and construction and do not share any internals with the PLX-1000 or the RP-8000.


Idk Techs, so I can't comment. But if you start at 6:30 there are visuals discussing the similarities. I don't know that I'd call the Pio/Reloop "totally different altogether" after looking at those pics.
woody008 4:27 AM - 29 September, 2014
Maybe I wasn't clear enough or too brash in my response to your statement but do notice I did refer to the 1200 as being different than the PLX-1000 and The RP-8000. To clarify my position, I think the PLX-1000 and the RP8000 appear to be 3rd generation Super OEM's (based on photographic evidence) and in that regard they are (very likely) at the core the same turntables with the differences being features, housings and style.
woody008 4:35 AM - 29 September, 2014
Disclosure notice: I currently own a PLX-1000 pair, quite a few mark II's, one M5G, one Stanton ST 150 and a pair of Stanton T120C's.
spinnyspin 4:45 AM - 29 September, 2014
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough or too brash in my response to your statement but do notice I did refer to the 1200 as being different than the PLX-1000 and The RP-8000. To clarify my position, I think the PLX-1000 and the RP8000 appear to be 3rd generation Super OEM's (based on photographic evidence) and in that regard they are (very likely) at the core the same turntables with the differences being features, housings and style.


So you're saying Super OEM designs (which it looks like the PLX / RP are) do not share anything with Technics? That's different from what I understood the guy in the vid to be saying but I trust you over my weak German skills.
woody008 5:07 AM - 29 September, 2014
At the core, yes it different technology but the 3rd generation of super oem's is so good that you may not notice the difference between Tech's and PLX1000's or RP-7000/8000's.
spinnyspin 5:17 AM - 29 September, 2014
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At the core, yes it different technology but the 3rd generation of super oem's is so good that you may not notice the difference between Tech's and PLX1000's or RP-7000/8000's.


Cool thanks for clearing that up for me
DJ Tecniq 7:27 AM - 29 September, 2014
Keep in mind the reloop's turntable platter sits above the turntable as the technics platter sits inside the turntable. So if you mix while touching the platter you will notice difficulty in getting used to that. Also the pop up light is detachable unlike the technics it's built in👌
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:07 AM - 29 September, 2014
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Keep in mind the reloop's turntable platter sits above the turntable as the technics platter sits inside the turntable. So if you mix while touching the platter you will notice difficulty in getting used to that. Also the pop up light is detachable unlike the technics it's built in👌



Well for me it wasn't a difficult adjustment..... I would rub my index finger along the notches on the platter to slow down the platter while mixing or give it a nudge to speed it up.....

not a HUGE difference in feel and definitely not a HUGE difference so that mixing became a new learning processes.

And everyone that I brought my Stanton ST 150 or Reloop RP 8000 to demo said the same thing.... "They like it."

And as I stated before.... for me its mostly about the cosmetics of the PLX 1000. I know my Reloop blows it away in terms of features. Technology is similar as we can all see from the internals. But you definitely do get more features per dollar out of the Reloops.

Cosmetically the Reloops do not satisfy me as much as the Pioneers.... and here are two reasons...

1) The recesses platter on the PLX looks better then the hovering platter on the Reloops.... (Makes no difference in playability as I owned Technics as well)

2) The tone arm on the Reloop looks like the typical "Super OEM" tone arm while the Pioneer's look more closely to the original Technics

Otherwise feature for feature, the Reloops beat out the Pioneers. So again for me is about the cosmetics.

And I am the type of DJ that loves and prefers Turntables and but owns Controllers and CDJs and can jump back and forth between all of them. So maybe I might be a little more accepting of innovation and technology.

Some people's list of problems with the Reloops are pretty nit picking... For example...

1) Sound cuts off while turning off the power button... A solution to this is to play the Reloop in Phono versus Line mode... remember the Reloop gives you two options to play from. Line and Phono.... Play it in Phono and the sound won't cut out on you when you power down.

2) Platter speeds up while cutting power off.... I've shown videos of how this has very little noticeable affect when playing in DVS due to key lock or pitch n time...... but if that annoys you, Reloop gives you the option to control your start/stop time with a control knob.

3) Midi buttons built into the turntable....... You don't have to turn them on, you can leave them unplugged if you like. Sometimes I do that when I don't feel like tethering them up.

So again...... Feature for Feature.... Reloop > Pioneer > Technics

History and Nostalgia plus Test of time.... Technics > Everything else

Cosmetics.... Technics > Pioneers > Reloop

My 2 cents which makes sense to me... lol
Asu 1:06 PM - 29 September, 2014
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Cosmetics.... Technics > Pioneers > Reloop


In my View and many online it's Pioneer PLX > Technics > Reloop>everything else
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:04 PM - 29 September, 2014
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Cosmetics.... Technics > Pioneers > Reloop




In my View and many online it's Pioneer PLX > Technics > Reloop>everything else



I agree with it as well when comparing regular technics either Flat Black or Flat Silver color scheme....

But when you compare the M5Gs' Glistening Piano Black to the rest...... Oh man that one there takes the sexy department to another level. I know some that have colored over their M5Gs and I am like.... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
blackavenger 3:23 PM - 29 September, 2014
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I agree with it as well when comparing regular Technics either Flat Black or Flat Silver color scheme....

But when you compare the M5Gs' Glistening Piano Black to the rest...... Oh man that one there takes the sexy department to another level.

Absolutely agree!

Plus M5Gs have the illuminated pitch markers....super sexy and functional!
Asu 8:14 PM - 29 September, 2014
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I agree with it as well when comparing regular Technics either Flat Black or Flat Silver color scheme....

But when you compare the M5Gs' Glistening Piano Black to the rest...... Oh man that one there takes the sexy department to another level.

Absolutely agree!

Plus M5Gs have the illuminated pitch markers....super sexy and functional!


I'd still give it to the pioneer...due to matching blue light scheme...flows well with the DJM900SRT,but that's me :-)
deejdave 12:15 AM - 30 September, 2014
I'd say the PLX / M5G comparison comes close and environment and placement could sway the opinion one way or the other. IMO I like the brushed look of the PLX but overall I say the M5G. I don't even own any M5G's anymore so trust this is not biased.


In the end it is safe to say the PLX's were a home run and the M5G's are still a home run. You can't lose either way. The price of the PLX's certainly give it a slight edge IMO.................



Just to elaborate my point earlier in my current setup (CDJ-2000Nxs's, SP1, SRT) the PLX's look better than the M5G's would but by themselves or with a different mixer I'd give it to the M5G again.
gfella 12:53 AM - 30 September, 2014
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Cosmetics.... Technics > Pioneers > Reloop




In my View and many online it's Pioneer PLX > Technics > Reloop>everything else



I agree with it as well when comparing regular technics either Flat Black or Flat Silver color scheme....

But when you compare the M5Gs' Glistening Piano Black to the rest...... Oh man that one there takes the sexy department to another level. I know some that have colored over their M5Gs and I am like.... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


You mean something like this:

www.green-vinyl.com
deejdave 1:12 AM - 30 September, 2014
I.......................... HATE....................... Custom................................. Colors!!!!! LOL

As I said earlier modifications are a no no for me. I can see performance upgrades and such (knobs, faders, etc.) but paint, vinyl decals....................... not my style. To each his own though. LED's are often pretty cool though within reason.

One of my favorite modders to date was Brichi's DJM-900 & CDJ-2000Nexus's.
Jumbo Boogie 1:23 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I.......................... HATE....................... Custom................................. Colors!!!!! LOL

I'm diggin' those white rp7000's and 1200GLD's...technically those are custom colors =P
gfella 1:30 AM - 30 September, 2014
On old beat up mk2's I don't have a problem with custom paint jobs and mods. I prefer original look tho.

But m5g's must stay original.
Resale value for sure is higher.
There are still original m5g faceplates for sale, at a price but custom paint isn't cheap eather, so I would always replace the faceplate when scratched or damaged.
Asu 1:30 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I.......................... HATE....................... Custom................................. Colors!!!!! LOL

I'm diggin' those white rp7000's and 1200GLD's...technically those are custom colors =P


Bet pioneer will come out with the Nexus platinum PLX's lol and Gold
Jumbo Boogie 1:48 AM - 30 September, 2014
^ hahaha all gold turntable....don't know if that would look good.
dj_soo 1:52 AM - 30 September, 2014
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maybe in germany? conversion rates/tarriffs and such?


Reloop is based in Germany so there's probably no import tax there vs the US which imports both the Reloops and the Pioneers.
deejdave 2:02 AM - 30 September, 2014
I suppose I should elaborate. From the factory is nice. NO problem whatsoever there. . To spruce up a beat up deck.................... sure why not as well? I am talking taking what is beautiful already and putting a personal "spin" on it. It's just not for me. I know some like it though and I mean no offense. Just a preference of mine is all. I say be different and put your art into your music.
spinnyspin 3:08 AM - 30 September, 2014
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^ hahaha all gold turntable....don't know if that would look good.


Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ CaiveMan 5:33 AM - 30 September, 2014
I just received my first PLX-1000 and am waiting for the second one to arrive! I use serato SL1 box (i know I'm saving up to get a better one) and tested the ground wire connected and not connected and they sound the same. I'm still testing it i only got it an hour ago but wanted to chime in, i think i might need ground wire connected if i use real vinyl instead of control vinyl but with serato and control vinyl so far sounds exactly the same not connected
DJ CaiveMan 5:35 AM - 30 September, 2014
I am disappointed that they are not internally grounded though…
DJ Tecniq 5:39 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I am disappointed that they are not internally grounded though…
I know a lot of ppl are praising the Pioneer's but the Reloop's offer so much more in the long run.
DJ CaiveMan 5:43 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I am disappointed that they are not internally grounded though…
I know a lot of ppl are praising the Pioneer's but the Reloop's offer so much more in the long run.

Well so far these are fantastic, smooth and accurate bpm shifts and much more range cuz of tempo settings, basically just modern upgraded version of techs so i love em, havnt seen or heard about the reloops though what do they offer?
dj_soo 5:47 AM - 30 September, 2014
reloops RP8000s have a bunch of built-in midi buttons. Kind of like built-in dicers.
Mr. Goodkat 6:03 AM - 30 September, 2014
still cant imagine why anyone would want to would wanna bang around on a turntable, but i guess dicers are basically the same.
DJ Tecniq 6:16 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I know a lot of ppl are praising the Pioneer's but the Reloop's offer so much more in the long run.

Well so far these are fantastic, smooth and accurate bpm shifts and much more range cuz of tempo settings, basically just modern upgraded version of techs so i love em, havnt seen or heard about the reloops though what do they offer?
And a bit cheaper www.pssl.com
Mr. Goodkat 6:41 AM - 30 September, 2014
you can get a PIO for 600$
DJ Tecniq 9:29 AM - 30 September, 2014
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you can get a PIO for 600$
Where? They are listed as $697 US.
DJ Tecniq 9:31 AM - 30 September, 2014
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I am disappointed that they are not internally grounded though…
I know a lot of ppl are praising the Pioneer's but the Reloop's offer so much more in the long run.

Well so far these are fantastic, smooth and accurate bpm shifts and much more range cuz of tempo settings, basically just modern upgraded version of techs so i love em, havnt seen or heard about the reloops though what do they offer?
And a bit cheaper www.pssl.com
my bad they are slightly more expensive prob due to the midi functions but well worth it if you don't have dicers.
DJ CaiveMan 11:32 AM - 30 September, 2014
Ya idk I havnt used the reloops, but it'd take the quality and status of the tech/plx1000 over a few midi buttons any day, its easy enough to get dicers, however i can't bash the reloops since i haunt used em
Asu 11:33 AM - 30 September, 2014
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They are internally grounded dude,that's why it's a three prong cable.

I've tested with real vinyl and sounds superb on normal USA earthed outlets...pioneer is just smart enough to include external grounding in case you're playing somewhere and you get hum or have no ground...very smart thinking
blackavenger 12:44 PM - 30 September, 2014
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Ya idk I havnt used the reloops, but I'd take the quality and status of the tech/plx1000


LOL, it always amazes me that people associate Pioneer with quality. I mean, I haven't seen/felt these decks first hand, and based on the early reviews, they seem to be great decks. But to just automatically assume that the Pios are Technics quality just because they are "Pioneer" is hilarious to me.

Other than the vibration dampening, the Pios and Reloops have the same everything under the hood......maybe even a slight nod to the Reloops because of the adjustable torque. There's no doubt that the Reloops offer more functionality than the Pios. Hahaha, but yet, because Pioneer are who they are, and Reloop are who they are, peeps automatically assume that the PLX is the superior deck.

Just an observation. As Y'all were....
Asu 1:42 PM - 30 September, 2014
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LOL, it always amazes me that people associate Pioneer with quality. I mean, I haven't seen/felt these decks first hand, and based on the early reviews, they seem to be great decks. But to just automatically assume that the Pios are Technics quality just because they are "Pioneer" is hilarious to me.


Actually they are built like Techs even better than some Tech models...read a few posts above...they're that Good and quality is there...Technology could be related, but it's always implementation and presentation + resale value...and Pioneer has all three
blackavenger 2:11 PM - 30 September, 2014
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Actually they are built like Techs even better than some Tech models...

I'd have to see that w' my own eyes to believe it.

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but it's always implementation and presentation + resale value.

Well, I have no doubt that the resale value will be strong w' the PLX......all Pio gear has it. You can still fetch up to $900 for a DJM-800.

Listen, I am not knocking the decks. They appear to be a good alternative to Techs. But for the mere fact that they have an aluminum top plating and Super OEM tonearm assemblies, I can't help but be a little skeptical.

But what's the alternative? Spend upwards of $2,000+ for a pair of used M5Gs....yeah, I don't think so.
Jairen 2:40 PM - 30 September, 2014
Good thing a lot of us bought our M5G's on clearance when they discontinued! Got 2 M5G's for the price of 1 PLX at GC.

Thought about doing some minor custom work on my M5G's, but never had the courage to ruin the beautiful finish. All I want is LED's and built in dicers with matching white LED's for that clean look.
blackavenger 4:52 PM - 30 September, 2014
I bought both of my M5Gs for less than $900. I even helped a couple people on this forum out w' where to buy them at that price, back when it was available.

LOL, and sold them for over 3 times that amount, though I've already told that story ;-)
desmorider 5:04 PM - 30 September, 2014
What do you guys think a good/fair price would be for a set of 1210m5g's and a rane sixty two mixer? All items in perfect shape, and only used in home studio, never gigged out on.
blackavenger 6:06 PM - 30 September, 2014
Between $3,000 and $3,300. From what I see on Fleabay, M5Gs seem to be going for around $2,000.
Asu 6:31 PM - 30 September, 2014
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What do you guys think a good/fair price would be for a set of 1210m5g's and a rane sixty two mixer? All items in perfect shape, and only used in home studio, never gigged out on.


Sell 'em and get some PLX's Life is Short :-)
sumoJr 6:33 PM - 30 September, 2014
are you selling them or buying?
Mr. Goodkat 7:56 PM - 30 September, 2014
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Where? They are listed as $697 US.


guitar center.
Jumbo Boogie 8:24 PM - 30 September, 2014
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Watchwww.youtube.com

Completely forgot about the DMC ones. Those are an exception..it's more then just a gold turntable...bragging rights and a championship trophy rolled into one.

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Good thing a lot of us bought our M5G's on clearance when they discontinued! Got 2 M5G's for the price of 1 PLX at GC.

SH*T! I wish...being that my 12's were in great shape I didn't think I needed another pair. Downside of not being a gadget junky.
Joee 8:41 PM - 30 September, 2014
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guitar center.

if guitar center is selling them for $600, that means you can get them for $500 or cheaper from another retailer
DJ CaiveMan 11:48 PM - 30 September, 2014
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I am disappointed that they are not internally grounded though…


They are internally grounded dude,that's why it's a three prong cable.

I've tested with real vinyl and sounds superb on normal USA earthed outlets...pioneer is just smart enough to include external grounding in case you're playing somewhere and you get hum or have no ground...very smart thinking


Alright awesome, i just tested real vinyl as well and sounded great I couldn't find anywhere about the saying it was internally grounded but ya thats awesome another good quality about them
DJ CaiveMan 11:55 PM - 30 September, 2014
LOL, it always amazes me that people associate Pioneer with quality. I mean, I haven't seen/felt these decks first hand, and based on the early reviews, they seem to be great decks. But to just automatically assume that the Pios are Technics quality just because they are "Pioneer" is hilarious to me.

Notice I didn't say tech/pioneer i said tech/plx I wasn't summing they were good because of the brand, i was stating that the tech and now plx1000 are both great turntables because i do now have my own pair of plx1000s, i was giving a remark based on their performance so far. There is also a reason that Pioneer is the club standard, most of their products are overpriced of course but that doesn't mean they aren't quality. My Pioneer CDJ 800s have been roughed up and still work great. I wouldn't trust taking very many pieces of DJ equipment to hold up as well. I am not saying Pioneer is the only good brand, but i am saying you can't dismiss the evidence that they do have quality product.
deejdave 12:43 AM - 1 October, 2014
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guitar center.

if guitar center is selling them for $600, that means you can get them for $500 or cheaper from another retailer


I believe ca.$600 is the cheapest you will find them. You have to work some magic (or know someone) to get at $600 from GC but I wouldn't purchase there anyways because they will just slap on the sales tax bringing you back over $100 (for the pair).

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Alright awesome, i just tested real vinyl as well and sounded great I couldn't find anywhere about the saying it was internally grounded but ya thats awesome another good quality about them

Yeah we knew this but glad you are enjoying them ;)
deejdave 12:59 AM - 1 October, 2014
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LOL, it always amazes me that people associate Pioneer with quality. I mean, I haven't seen/felt these decks first hand, and based on the early reviews, they seem to be great decks. But to just automatically assume that the Pios are Technics quality just because they are "Pioneer" is hilarious to me.

Notice I didn't say tech/pioneer i said tech/plx I wasn't summing they were good because of the brand, i was stating that the tech and now plx1000 are both great turntables because i do now have my own pair of plx1000s, i was giving a remark based on their performance so far. There is also a reason that Pioneer is the club standard, most of their products are overpriced of course but that doesn't mean they aren't quality. My Pioneer CDJ 800s have been roughed up and still work great. I wouldn't trust taking very many pieces of DJ equipment to hold up as well. I am not saying Pioneer is the only good brand, but i am saying you can't dismiss the evidence that they do have quality product.

I actually do 100% agree that Pioneer is quality gear. Built like a tank NO but I have NO need for such a build. My NS7II feels great don't get me wrong but the extra durability is actually overkill for my needs.

For the record the build quality of the PLX's do count on Pioneer's rap sheet too. Pioneer is also responsible for TAD so let us not pretend they don't know how to get things done. With their recent takeover we can expect great things to come. They are keeping the great minds yet overhauling their support team supposedly so I am confident there are good times ahead. Not trying to sound like a fanboy. As a matter of fact I had a time of "doubt" to say the least in regards to Pioneer but recent correspondence & activity has shed some light. The absolute FANTASTIC experience thus far with the PLX hasn't hurt either.

I must say overall I am super happy with all my Pioneer gear. I don't have a single scratch on any of my devices let alone anything breaking so quality, durability & dependability??????????/ Plenty for me.
desmorider 2:13 AM - 1 October, 2014
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Me?
Might sell one setup.
desmorider 2:20 AM - 1 October, 2014
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Might sell one setup.

And try a pair of plx's
Mr. Goodkat 2:42 AM - 1 October, 2014
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guitar center.

if guitar center is selling them for $600, that means you can get them for $500 or cheaper from another retailer


you gotta have the hookup, but a little networking isnt that hard. it was 604$ to be exact.
Asu 3:54 PM - 1 October, 2014
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I believe ca.$600 is the cheapest you will find them. You have to work some magic (or know someone) to get at $600 from GC but I wouldn't purchase there anyways because they will just slap on the sales tax bringing you back over $100 (for the pair).


guitar center will pricematch any legit vendor tax included out the door...let me explain...if AMS,PSSL or zzounds has 'em for $599...they'll match that,tax inclusive on the $599 out the door...yes you just pay the $599 the other vendor advertises...if you haven't bought PLX's, i'd say wait for thanksgiving 15% off anything $299 or more and get a good deal...many did just that Labour Day weekend.

I get much of my gear that way,price match all day :-) smart thinking on Guitar center's part cause you get your gear right away+ the pricematch,no need to wait :-)
Joee 4:03 PM - 1 October, 2014
guitarcenter has never beat a price i got from my regular venders they give cheaper prices but do not advertise them
deejdave 9:11 PM - 1 October, 2014
Guitar Center laughed at me when I gave them the quote I got. The ONLY advantage to going to GC is that they get the Pioneer gear first. On the other hand there was an individual here who had a connection at GC who said he COULD get for $600 BUT this did NOT include tax so it would have been like I said over $100 in tax alone added on top.
Asu 9:17 PM - 1 October, 2014
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Guitar Center laughed at me when I gave them the quote I got. The ONLY advantage to going to GC is that they get the Pioneer gear first. On the other hand there was an individual here who had a connection at GC who said he COULD get for $600 BUT this did NOT include tax so it would have been like I said over $100 in tax alone added on top.


They price match visible prices...i went there last Saturday to pickup a Shure white label...PSSL had it for $79 out the door...i just showed the guy the page on my iPhone and he gave me that exact price,tax inclusive...it's gotta be something they can look up...AMS price matches guitar centers 15% off all the time for me too.
Asu 9:18 PM - 1 October, 2014
Guitar center wanted to charge me $104 plus tax...i needed it asap
Mighty Dragon Sounds 9:28 PM - 1 October, 2014
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Guitar Center laughed at me when I gave them the quote I got. The ONLY advantage to going to GC is that they get the Pioneer gear first. On the other hand there was an individual here who had a connection at GC who said he COULD get for $600 BUT this did NOT include tax so it would have been like I said over $100 in tax alone added on top.


They price match visible prices...i went there last Saturday to pickup a Shure white label...PSSL had it for $79 out the door...i just showed the guy the page on my iPhone and he gave me that exact price,tax inclusive...it's gotta be something they can look up...AMS price matches guitar centers 15% off all the time for me too.



I did that a few times...... Any city that I travel to to go play I always find out where their guitar center or sam ash is and I start price matching for things that I may need.
deejdave 9:32 PM - 1 October, 2014
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Exactly. What's the lowest you have seen the PLX advertised for?
DJ Quartz 1:34 AM - 3 October, 2014
Anyone close to Regina,SK Canada have these?
monchi 2:57 AM - 3 October, 2014
Mhmm. Pioneer plx 1000 PROBLEMS MAJOR FLAW True or ?

www.youtube.com
Asu 3:33 AM - 3 October, 2014
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Mhmm. Pioneer plx 1000 PROBLEMS MAJOR FLAW True or ?

www.youtube.com


That's not a flaw...that's called a bad apple out of hundreds sold...no issues with mine...it has a warranty so he gets a new one
DjWoody 4:08 AM - 3 October, 2014
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Mhmm. Pioneer plx 1000 PROBLEMS MAJOR FLAW True or ?

www.youtube.com


You DJ so bad....

hahaha
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:40 AM - 3 October, 2014
Flaw or not.... I want his slip mats
Mr. Goodkat 4:46 PM - 3 October, 2014
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Mhmm. Pioneer plx 1000 PROBLEMS MAJOR FLAW True or ?

www.youtube.com


That's not a flaw...that's called a bad apple out of hundreds sold...no issues with mine...it has a warranty so he gets a new one


exactly. your tt is broken idiot.
Asu 11:23 PM - 3 October, 2014
“The PLX-1000 is built to the highest of standards, and I honestly don’t see this wearing out any time soon. I’m pretty sure the dj culture has found their new standards for club / performance turntables for the next 30 plus years.” – Mister Remix

Everyone is loving 'em :-)
Asu 3:00 AM - 4 October, 2014
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Mhmm. Pioneer plx 1000 PROBLEMS MAJOR FLAW True or ?

www.youtube.com


That's not a flaw...that's called a bad apple out of hundreds sold...no issues with mine...it has a warranty so he gets a new one


exactly. your tt is broken idiot.


look at his SRT mixer missing a whole bunch of knobs...bet his kids pounded it...a picture/video is worth a 1000 words...the guy can't even safeguard a $2000+ mixer....i'm pretty sure his kids or the way he transports them messed it up...i've learnt in my short life to never jump to conclusions....there's something wrong with that whole picture IMHO
deejdave 3:51 AM - 4 October, 2014
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i've learnt in my short life to never jump to conclusions.

You just jumped LOL. No knobs missing. There are some that are gray and that is just how the SRT is. images.search.yahoo.com
Asu 12:10 PM - 4 October, 2014
i paused the video and it looked like missin knobs lol...i guess bad resolution...anyway he should just get a new one...
DJ Irv 3:13 PM - 4 October, 2014
I've seen that same thing happen on 1200s before. It's like the motor is switching poles (north/south) and the platter just slightly jitters. It's down right freaky to have it happen to you on trusty 1200.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:16 PM - 4 October, 2014
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I've seen that same thing happen on 1200s before. It's like the motor is switching poles (north/south) and the platter just slightly jitters. It's down right freaky to have it happen to you on trusty 1200.



I've noticed in some of these videos that people are pulling off the platters with the turntable plugged in.... I knew this was a big no no back in the day.... Not sure if it really made a difference but all my turntables from 1200s up to my Reloops all had a sticker on the platter saying "Do No Remove if Turntable is Plugged In...." Something about messing up the magnetic motor....

In the recent PLX videos surfacing on the internet, I've noticed that their isn't a warning sticker and people been pulling off the platters with the unit plugged in.
SoFarSoGoodSoWhat 3:35 PM - 4 October, 2014
Are these good in terms of sound quality. I like to mess around with the mixing but also like to just listen to some vinyl sometimes. Don't like the look of those belt driven so called audiophile decks which are bits of wood with a motor and a tonearm stuck on.
deejdave 6:38 PM - 4 October, 2014
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I've noticed in some of these videos that people are pulling off the platters with the turntable plugged in

I think this is just bad when the platter is actually running as in the electro magnets are active. The better direct drive TT's use the actual platter as part of the motor mechanism while the lower quality ones have the platter tightly sit on the center spindle which does the spinning on its own.

Don't quote me though. This is just what makes using mechanic sense. If this is NOT the actual reason then I have no idea why it would be bad.
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Are these good in terms of sound quality. I like to mess around with the mixing but also like to just listen to some vinyl sometimes. Don't like the look of those belt driven so called audiophile decks which are bits of wood with a motor and a tonearm stuck on.


These sound excellent. The cartridge/stylus you choose will greatly impact your sound as well remember.
deejdave 6:39 PM - 4 October, 2014
Also keep in mind it is not like these deal with sound cards like digital gear does. The needle is designed to pick up what is there (hence the term pick-up) and reproduce the sound accordingly. This is why the stylus you choose is so important.
blackavenger 6:00 PM - 5 October, 2014
Yeah, but the tonearm, and dampening also play roles in sound quality. At least on paper, these seem to be great for sound quality.

Can't wait to actually test one of these myself with real vinyl. I haven't seen any videos on YT with people playing real vinyl, and then thumping the deck to see if there is any feedback.
deejdave 6:27 PM - 5 October, 2014
I have yet to give a fair chance on this. I have been using it on one of these piece o SHEEIT portable foldup tables so it picks up vibrations rather easily. Of course in a professional setting I would never us such a table though.

As I said earlier 80% of the time I have spent with my PLX's have been with real vinyl and I have even started purchasing more new vinyl because of it LOL.
Asu 7:13 PM - 5 October, 2014
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I've noticed in some of these videos that people are pulling off the platters with the turntable plugged in.... I knew this was a big no no back in the day.... Not sure if it really made a difference but all my turntables from 1200s up to my Reloops all had a sticker on the platter saying "Do No Remove if Turntable is Plugged In...." Something about messing up the magnetic motor....


yeah i'd say people taking them apart are crazy...why spend $600+ and risk ESD damage to your gear...i also think if it's plugged in and you remove the magnets/platter...that will mess it up...the current uses the magnets to spin the platter,so removing it while it's plugged in i'm sue messes with the manufacturer's start/stop positioning settings.

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I have yet to give a fair chance on this. I have been using it on one of these piece o SHEEIT portable foldup tables so it picks up vibrations rather easily. Of course in a professional setting I would never us such a table though.


Just try different settings...had mine do the same but eventually stabilized with different height settings,weight and of-course zero anti skate for scratching especially....i use conservative settings for listening to actual vinyl though :-) love these PLX's
deejdave 7:22 PM - 5 October, 2014
Well no issues with skipping or anything. It is just the physical "thump" that gets picked up by the needle is all.
gostradergo 4:55 PM - 7 October, 2014
How are the stock needles holding up on these PLX's?
deejdave 4:56 PM - 7 October, 2014
There are no stock needles. Comes with headshell only.
gostradergo 4:59 PM - 7 October, 2014
Good to know thanks @deejdave.
deejdave 5:00 PM - 7 October, 2014
U got it.
dj_double_s 5:12 PM - 7 October, 2014
What's the average price actually paid for these? A reseller claimed that selling them below 650 required special authorization from Pioneer.
deejdave 5:16 PM - 7 October, 2014
They lied to you. The reseller obviously does NOT want to reduce their cut. Ask the guys here what they can do for you. thedjhookup.com
Mr. Goodkat 5:18 PM - 7 October, 2014
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There are no stock needles. Comes with headshell only.


i like the headshell. Tweeted PIODJ to see if they would sell them individually but no retweet.
gostradergo 5:23 PM - 7 October, 2014
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There are no stock needles. Comes with headshell only.


i like the headshell. Tweeted PIODJ to see if they would sell them individually but no retweet.


What have you guys installed for needles?
Mr. Goodkat 5:24 PM - 7 October, 2014
im using 44-7s, the headshells have a cool look and seem a bit heavier(than techs) plus have the screw to add weight (which i haven't needed).
dj_double_s 5:39 PM - 7 October, 2014
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They lied to you. The reseller obviously does NOT want to reduce their cut. Ask the guys here what they can do for you. thedjhookup.com


Thanks, I figured as much. Even GCs 15% coupons are way better than the other retailers quote.
deejdave 5:46 PM - 7 October, 2014
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im using 44-7s, the headshells have a cool look and seem a bit heavier(than techs) plus have the screw to add weight (which i haven't needed).

Same here on all three

Using m44-7's
Love the look of them
have not yet needed the weight.
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Thanks, I figured as much. Even GCs 15% coupons are way better than the other retailers quote.

Some retailers just DON'T know what's good for them. They don't realize the power of a frequent customer nor do they realize the effectiveness of referrals. We here at the forums......................... yeah we talk LOL.
Asu 5:55 PM - 7 October, 2014
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There are no stock needles. Comes with headshell only.


i like the headshell. Tweeted PIODJ to see if they would sell them individually but no retweet.


What have you guys installed for needles?


using Shure Whitelabel,easy on Vinyl,no dust,No skipping,excellent sound quality when listening to records :-) though the M44-7's are slightly cheaper and do an excellent Job too...i just don't like the dust buildup
monchi 10:12 PM - 7 October, 2014
Can we use Technic headshell + 44-7 stylus on the PLX?
deejdave 10:14 PM - 7 October, 2014
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Can we use Technic headshell + 44-7 stylus on the PLX?

Of course. Standard headshell.
monchi 11:24 PM - 7 October, 2014
^^^ Thanks
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:56 PM - 7 October, 2014
Got PLX1000s today along with the Reloop Neon from www.Agiprodj.com They have plenty in stock!! contact Kevin

instagram.com

My Son DJ Evan Almighty with the Reloop Neon :)
instagram.com
deejdave 12:14 AM - 8 October, 2014
Nice!! How much$?
deejdave 12:19 AM - 8 October, 2014
Welcome to the club BTW :)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:32 AM - 8 October, 2014
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PLx1000 with agiprodj custom control vynil 2.5
dj_double_s 1:02 AM - 8 October, 2014
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Nice!! How much$?


At least tell us if it was < $625 I was quoted.
Asu 1:22 AM - 8 October, 2014
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Got PLX1000s today along with the Reloop Neon from www.Agiprodj.com They have plenty in stock!! contact Kevin

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My Son DJ Evan Almighty with the Reloop Neon :)
instagram.com


I'm looking into the Neon my self...or the Akai...though i think the neon has more features and flip controls buit in
Asu 1:22 AM - 8 October, 2014
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Got PLX1000s today along with the Reloop Neon from www.Agiprodj.com They have plenty in stock!! contact Kevin

instagram.com

My Son DJ Evan Almighty with the Reloop Neon :)
instagram.com


I'm looking into the Neon my self...or the Akai...though i think the neon has more features and flip controls built in
Asu 1:23 AM - 8 October, 2014
lol tripple post
deejdave 2:08 AM - 8 October, 2014
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Got PLX1000s today along with the Reloop Neon from www.Agiprodj.com They have plenty in stock!! contact Kevin

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My Son DJ Evan Almighty with the Reloop Neon :)
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I'm looking into the Neon my self...or the Akai...though i think the neon has more features and flip controls built in

Goin for both but I have my wedding this Friday so I had to put all my last minute cash towards that. $40k GONE!! LOL Hoping it was worth it though. Getting married here www.cresthollow.com and am pretty excited.
lvmez 3:03 AM - 8 October, 2014
Congrats. Great place. I have there many times for weddings. Who DJing your wedding?
deejdave 3:06 AM - 8 October, 2014
L.I. Sounds. One of the hardest bills I have every had to pay (for obvious reasons) but they are great and the DJ is a friend of mine.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:21 AM - 8 October, 2014
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L.I. Sounds. One of the hardest bills I have every had to pay (for obvious reasons) but they are great and the DJ is a friend of mine.


I didn't get an invite??? I would have brought score cards for the dj's mix LOL
deejdave 3:28 AM - 8 October, 2014
HAHA!! If only I could....................... You are under the same illusion that I was under for a few months................................... that this wedding has ANYTHING to fukn do with me!! LOL. At least I got to be in charge of the music LOL. I got L.I. Sounds DJ request style No REQUESTS !! haha search.yahoo.com
deejdave 3:29 AM - 8 October, 2014
video.search.yahoo.com!+Your+Daily+Dose+of+%3Cb%3EDJ+%3C%2Fb%3EKnowledge.&c=3&sigr=11au0do0n&sigt=11k77nvu4&age=0&fr=yfp-t-901&tt=b

Sorry link fail ^^
deejdave 3:31 AM - 8 October, 2014
Watchwww.youtube.com AND again. Sorry this internet thing is apparently new to me tonight!! Watchwww.youtube.com
BBN 11:42 PM - 13 October, 2014
Just installed in the club here after I had a testpair for a few hours.
If you look on the computerscreen you can see the wow & flutter is bigger than Technics, but you can't hear it. It's 0,1 for the Pioneer and 0,01 for the Technics turntables.
The pitch fader feels a little different compared to Technics, I'd say Technics is a little more acurate and has a smoother reaction in smaller steps.
Didn't like the grounding screw, because it's the same that frequently breaks on any Pioneer DJ mixer.
The platter speed and motor of the Pioneer turntables remind me of Numark, Stanton, Vestax, ... any OEM turntable with more power than Technics.
Gave those two test turntables a good three hour scratching session and later another five hours and they are my reference for turntablism now.
Overall they feel good, look nice and are a lot of fun.
All I need is a pair at home now, but I bought too much other Pioneer stuff this year and they are the only company I don't know anybody who works there to get a niceprice or endorsement :(
deejdave 11:58 PM - 13 October, 2014
Could be an opportunity to support them by buying them.
deejdave 12:17 AM - 14 October, 2014
They are certainly nice enough. Obviously my other gear (controllers etc) are more capable but there is no doubt that the fun factor is LARGE with these players.
Asu 12:39 AM - 14 October, 2014
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Just installed in the club here after I had a testpair for a few hours.


this is one big reason i was happy about this...at least we'll have some decent turntables in some clubs :-)


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The pitch fader feels a little different compared to Technics, I'd say Technics is a little more accurate and has a smoother reaction in smaller steps.


I actually thought so too but quickly perfected it :-) it's all about getting comfortable with it...my 2 cents

It's exciting to pull out the TT now...

Thanks for the feed back :-)
BBN 2:13 AM - 14 October, 2014
Btw, the club didn't buy them 'cause I said they're o.k., they just bought them because they are made by Pioneer. Owner told me he doesn't care how good or bad they are, all that counts is that it's the brand (Pioneer) that even all of his guests seem to know and think it's the best brand for DJs.

I never liked their mixers and also never used a CD-Player, all I have is a DDJ-SR for fun and a DDJ-SP1 in front of my two Technics 1200 MKII and my Rane Sixty-Two.
But like I said, these Pioneer turntables are fun and do their job. I even (re-)learned new scratches during my test sessions and really look forward to use those tables again for my gigs this week.
Asu 2:26 AM - 14 October, 2014
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Btw, the club didn't buy them 'cause I said they're o.k., they just bought them because they are made by Pioneer. Owner told me he doesn't care how good or bad they are, all that counts is that it's the brand (Pioneer) that even all of his guests seem to know and think it's the best brand for DJs.


Yup..plus they look cool,the finish is excellent and the blue Light complements it very very well...love mine :-)
Mighty Dragon Sounds 3:05 AM - 14 October, 2014
This guy right here..... Owns practically every piece of DJ hardware out there...... lol


Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:11 AM - 14 October, 2014
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This guy right here..... Owns practically every piece of DJ hardware out there...... lol


Watchwww.youtube.com


I know that guy :p
deejdave 4:17 AM - 14 October, 2014
Amateur!! LOL.
Joee 11:23 AM - 14 October, 2014
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This guy right here..... Owns practically every piece of DJ hardware out there...... lol


Watchwww.youtube.com

shhhhh

it's for his son, hue going to be the next dj inferno!
sumoJr 5:23 PM - 14 October, 2014
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This guy right here..... Owns practically every piece of DJ hardware out there...... lol


Watchwww.youtube.com


I know that guy :p


sorry if I missed it but have you done a comparison between all your turntables?
Mighty Dragon Sounds 10:14 PM - 14 October, 2014
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This guy right here..... Owns practically every piece of DJ hardware out there...... lol


Watchwww.youtube.com


I know that guy :p


sorry if I missed it but have you done a comparison between all your turntables?



+1
djvtyme85 10:34 PM - 14 October, 2014
i finally saw the reloop in person next to a plx and a 1200...hands down my money is with Pioneer as the only alternative to a 1200. not having a recessed platter really doesnt go over well with me (reloop) and i liked that the pioneer didnt have platter wobble.
deejdave 4:31 AM - 15 October, 2014
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i finally saw the reloop in person next to a plx and a 1200...hands down my money is with Pioneer as the only alternative to a 1200. not having a recessed platter really doesnt go over well with me (reloop) and i liked that the pioneer didnt have platter wobble.

This makes soooo much sense to me. I will say again but I just feel like Reloops are the winner of the "one of these things is not like the others" award. I could never get past this feeling to even try them................... and I will try a LOT!!
blackavenger 10:43 AM - 15 October, 2014
It's funny, peeps haven't criticized Vestax to the degree that Stanton/Reloop/Audio-Technica have been over their raised platters.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:49 AM - 15 October, 2014
People like to follow the crowd
djvtyme85 12:06 PM - 15 October, 2014
i had a vestax back in the day and i couldnt get with the platter or that tone arm at all. plus in my opinion there is a such thing as too much torque
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:04 PM - 15 October, 2014
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lol I'm like the total opposite.... I welcome the additional torque. Although playing on technics didn't stop me, I love the almost instantaneous response from having high torque.
Asu 4:38 PM - 15 October, 2014
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i finally saw the reloop in person next to a plx and a 1200...hands down my money is with Pioneer as the only alternative to a 1200. not having a recessed platter really doesnt go over well with me (reloop) and i liked that the pioneer didnt have platter wobble.


+1 1200 or PLX-1000...that's it for me
djsmuve415 6:17 PM - 15 October, 2014
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i finally saw the reloop in person next to a plx and a 1200...hands down my money is with Pioneer as the only alternative to a 1200. not having a recessed platter really doesnt go over well with me (reloop) and i liked that the pioneer didnt have platter wobble.


+1 1200 or PLX-1000...that's it for me

yeah, now I even have to admit after seeing a youtube vid with the Pio's and the Reloops back to back, that if I'm ever in the market for a pair of new turns - the Pio's are the choice. there was a lil too much fan boy hype I thought going on in here - but after seeing the raised platter on the Reloops, which I didnt ever know about personally (never used a Stanton before myself, & have only seen one once in a record store many years ago) I think that design is a fail. just my 2 cents
Niro 6:33 PM - 15 October, 2014
I'm not sure the issue with raised platter. Being strictly Technics for 20 years and I don't mind the raised platter at all. Actually I kind of like it and it's easier to clean.
djvtyme85 8:16 PM - 15 October, 2014
vestax so have so much torque after a while the platter brake would act up. yes i adjust it to be less but it still happened. something my 12s never have done. beside im no DJ Qbert im good as long as i can jungle chirp and what not
sumoJr 8:24 PM - 15 October, 2014
maybe I ll get one reloop for scratching
and Pioneers for a new gig set up

not sure ifs its actually happening but my 1200s feel like they are losing torque
hologram 10:29 PM - 15 October, 2014
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maybe I ll get one reloop for scratching
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not sure ifs its actually happening but my 1200s feel like they are losing torque


Blasphemy ....just saying
hologram 10:30 PM - 15 October, 2014
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not sure ifs its actually happening but my 1200s feel like they are losing torque


Blasphemy ....just saying
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:47 AM - 16 October, 2014
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not sure ifs its actually happening but my 1200s feel like they are losing torque


Blasphemy ....just saying




So much blasphemy he had to say it twice!!!!
sumoJr 5:03 AM - 16 October, 2014
two hands on the Bible
Ive tested it out vs my freinds 1200s same records/slipmat combo
and to my feel it feels a bit less torque
gfella 7:00 AM - 16 October, 2014
Re-oil the spindle, for best results take the spindle out if you know how to do it.
Chances are somebody oiled your 1200's before with the wrong oil and it is a bit gunked up now, and there is more friction now.
If you select 45rpm and start your 1200's up and then switch the powerknob off, how many rotations do you get before it stops completly?
sumoJr 7:48 PM - 16 October, 2014
7 1/4
I ll oil the spindle later
thanks for the tips
gfella 8:01 PM - 16 October, 2014
A well oiled spindle should do around 8 or more rotations.
Jumbo Boogie 9:11 PM - 20 October, 2014
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i finally saw the reloop in person next to a plx and a 1200...hands down my money is with Pioneer as the only alternative to a 1200. not having a recessed platter really doesnt go over well with me (reloop) and i liked that the pioneer didnt have platter wobble.

Have to disagree....although I've had very, very, very limited time on a 8000...after playing with one...any dislikes I had about the platter hovering is all forgotten. The 8000 offers too much compared to an mk2, m3d, 5's, or a 1000 to be overlooked. Only thing bad I would have to say about the 8000's...is the tonearm on the one I messed with seemed to pick up a bit of feedback when touching or locking the tonearm into place when the threshold on the deck calibration was set all the way to the left. My Tech's never had that issue.

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It's funny, peeps haven't criticized Vestax to the degree that Stanton/Reloop/Audio-Technica have been over their raised platters.

Personally the Vestax's looked toyish to me as for the Reloops..wasn't big on how they looked before trying one. Now that I've messed with one...I'm actaully digging how they look. Definitely better looking IMO then any Technic that's not an LTD, GLD, or M5G.

If I ever decide to replace my tables....8000's it is...unless Pioneer released a similar table at a similar price.
deejdave 9:43 PM - 20 October, 2014
Definitely a preference thing going on. Nothing wrong with that though. Some like the all inclusive layout of the 8000 or a Rane mixer which has all the cue points, etc on one unit. Others like having a separate unit/s for FX /cue points etc. Even when I use my Rane 64 I still go for the SP1 for all the extras TBH. Nothing wrong with preferences though. I don't know much of the function/feel of the 8000's (although I have seen my share of opinions here) but in terms of looks I would hand's down have to keep it M5G/PLX/1200/Reloop in that order. I would certainly agree that the Reloop's are better looking than the Vestax's & about equal with the Stanton's. Anyone have any experience with the Reloop 7000? They seem more my taste although the tonearm assembly & counterweight look the same and are not my favorite.
Jumbo Boogie 4:11 AM - 23 October, 2014
The 64 feels so cramped and unnatural to me. Personally I think using one 61 with one deck along with another 61 with two decks would be easier to navigate.

7000 is basically an 8000 minus the pitch screen and drum pads.
deejdave 11:01 PM - 23 October, 2014
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The 64 feels so cramped and unnatural to me. Personally I think using one 61 with one deck along with another 61 with two decks would be easier to navigate.

Kind of............ but again the SP1's layout fixes any issue here. I will say I do prefer my 64 to the 62. I never used a 61 though.
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7000 is basically an 8000 minus the pitch screen and drum pads.

Got it. No real reason for me to look into them then.
deejdave 11:07 PM - 23 October, 2014
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but again the SP1's layout fixes any issue here.

For me at least.
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Personally I think using one 61 with one deck along with another 61 with two decks would be easier to navigate.

Forgot to say although I find this interesting this sounds a little awkward and I could see how it would work but I am not sure if it would be preferred to a single mixer with more channels and capabilities. I use the SP-1 for preference reasons alone. I have heard others say the 64 and even 62 mixers are too cluttered (So trust I know you are not alone on this) but TBH I don't feel that way. I just don't like the feel of the cue buttons and I use them a LOT. Furthermore the performance pads have become a 100% necessary part of my workflow.
Jumbo Boogie 3:14 AM - 24 October, 2014
The good thing about all those buttons...you could just bypass the turntables/CDJ's and just mix with the laptop if technical issues occur or if one wanted to keep things light...they could just use the 62 or 64 and a laptop exclusively at times.
monchi 4:11 AM - 5 November, 2014
So how they holding up? Any issues to report? Thanks
Asu 3:15 PM - 5 November, 2014
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The good thing about all those buttons...you could just bypass the turntables/CDJ's and just mix with the laptop if technical issues occur or if one wanted to keep things light...they could just use the 62 or 64 and a laptop exclusively at times.


or just use the AKAI AMX @ $250 only :-) does everything.

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They are excellent,no issues...Pioneer quality as usual
BBN 9:27 PM - 5 November, 2014
Still o.k., but even DJs with regular vinyl start complaining about the wow and flutter which is a bit higher than on Technics turntables. The lock of the tonarm heights adjustment ring seems to have stopped working allready on one turntable. Also the pitch resolution still doesn't feel like Technics.

All this is criticising on the highest level ;)
Personally I'm glad my resident club here bought a pair and as a working tool they are nice, but at home I stay with my 1200 MK2 decks.
deejdave 9:50 PM - 5 November, 2014
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The good thing about all those buttons...you could just bypass the turntables/CDJ's and just mix with the laptop if technical issues occur or if one wanted to keep things light...they could just use the 62 or 64 and a laptop exclusively at times.


or just use the AKAI AMX @ $250 only :-) does everything.

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They are excellent,no issues...Pioneer quality as usual



The AMX is a GREAT little mixer and I have having a TON of fun with it. It really shines with the DVS expansion pack which is 100% required to use with TT's anyways.

As far as my PLX-1000's they are just as the day I bought them. I actually haven't used my 1200's since I got them LOL.
monchi 10:15 PM - 5 November, 2014
Thanks to all who have responded, appreciate it.
Jumbo Boogie 5:52 PM - 15 November, 2014
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The good thing about all those buttons...you could just bypass the turntables/CDJ's and just mix with the laptop if technical issues occur or if one wanted to keep things light...they could just use the 62 or 64 and a laptop exclusively at times.


or just use the AKAI AMX @ $250 only :-) does everything.

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They are excellent,no issues...Pioneer quality as usual

True...but if you already had one of the above...maybe not so much...at least if your not addicted to gear.
deejdave 6:15 PM - 15 November, 2014
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True...but if you already had one of the above...maybe not so much...at least if your not addicted to gear.

There is certainly a LOT above.
Jumbo Boogie 7:59 PM - 15 November, 2014
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True...but if you already had one of the above...maybe not so much...at least if your not addicted to gear.

There is certainly a LOT above.

My mistake...was referring to the AMX comment Asu made

What do you think about those new XDJ's?
deejdave 10:55 PM - 15 November, 2014
Ehh. Definately gonna grab the next step up if/when they are released but am passing on these. They are the direct replacements to the CDJ-850's so there should be at least one if not two models above................... assuming this model takes off.

They lack the led platter (circumference), cue points, platter tension, and the sound cards are sub-par. They lack the Wolfson DAC's found in the pro model CDJ's DDJ-SZ & 900SRT so sound will not be at its best.


Pretty much the ONLY advantage to these thus far is the slightly larger GUI touchscreens. Again the later Pro models will have this as well along with the other stuff. TBH If there is nothing added BUT the screens I am not POSITIVE I will be getting any at all.
Mr. Goodkat 11:35 PM - 15 November, 2014
i thought the same thing dave was saying, as far as the higher end features being left off. you lose the back up/reliability of cd players, you get the same price.

pioneer has the dj game on lock. or at least the dj game of making avg products and charging 10-20% too much.
DJMark 12:23 AM - 16 November, 2014
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The Return of Dj Sparky 1:01 PM - 17 November, 2014
I agree pioneer are overpriced but if they ever dropped a new updated version of the 909 i'd be all over it
Asu 11:47 PM - 17 November, 2014
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I heard a rumour, it's coming to rival the 62 with 2 USB's...this will complement the PLX-1000 well :-)


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i thought the same thing dave was saying, as far as the higher end features being left off. you lose the back up/reliability of cd players, you get the same price.


Yeah it's a move in the right direction but once in a while i get an artist with a CD for a performance :-)

They should just make DDJ-SZ II with those screens and features with a 2 channel mixer,dual USB's....that'll be a beast of a controller.

XDJ-1000 is just not it.
gfella 7:14 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I agree pioneer are overpriced but if they ever dropped a new updated version of the 909 i'd be all over it


I hope Pioneer also updates the sound.
i loved my 909, but sound wasn't it strenght.
But who knows what will happen;)
DJMark 7:17 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I hope Pioneer also updates the sound.


I seriously don't get why a company that made great-sounding home hi-fi equipment in the 1970's can't make a decent-sounding DJ mixer or effect processor 40 years later.

Fucking tragic is what I call that.
deejdave 7:21 PM - 18 November, 2014
My guess is that Analog is what it is. It is basic sound reinforcement/reproduction. When it comes to digital there is a lot more in terms of encoders, decompressing, etc. I guess the fact that different companies would have a different sound from the same media file explains it best in itself. It is far from an "it is what it is" sort of thing............................. that being said I am like you in hoping for more from Pioneer. I keep my Rane devices for their warm sound but by Pio devices for the capabilities & FX, etc.
DJMark 8:27 PM - 18 November, 2014
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Funny thing is, the two worst-sounding mixers, the DJM-500 and 600, were both analog mixers that just had a digital effects processor built in.

Certainly your point is valid in that there is much more that can/is likely to go wrong in the audio path of a mixer (whether analog or digital) compared with a piece of home hi-fi equipment.... though if Bozak could manage to do it in the 70's, and Urei and Rane figured it out in the 80's, one would hope Pioneer could find a clue in the 2010's...
deejdave 8:33 PM - 18 November, 2014
Could not agree more. LOL. I am ALLLL for it as well. As much as I love Rane and using mixer it pains me to be "forced" to unplug the SRT and plug in my Rane just to get the better sound.

At this point sound should be standard and SET to a certain standard. This (to me) should be a requirement of "Pro Audio". If it is THAT difficult/costly to get the decent sound than reserve the lower quality sound for the lower caliber gear. The SECOND that $1K line (probably even lower actually) is crossed sound should NEVER be an issue in my eyes.
deejdave 8:35 PM - 18 November, 2014
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HAHA btw absolutely!!
DJ Remy USA 10:17 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I agree pioneer are overpriced but if they ever dropped a new updated version of the 909 i'd be all over it


I heard a rumour, it's coming to rival the 62 with 2 USB's...this will complement the PLX-1000 well :-)



I actually heard the same rumor to but its just a rumor. Ive never liked how the 62 feels on my fingers. The Pots on there are totally weird imo. So Im still rocking my DJM 909.
deejdave 10:18 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I actually heard the same rumor to but its just a rumor. Ive never liked how the 62 feels on my fingers. The Pots on there are totally weird imo. So Im still rocking my DJM 909.

I'd agree with the cue point buttons and some other random controls but in terms of faders & knobs the 62/64 are winners in my book.
DJ Remy USA 10:20 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I agree pioneer are overpriced but if they ever dropped a new updated version of the 909 i'd be all over it


I hope Pioneer also updates the sound.
i loved my 909, but sound wasn't it strenght.
But who knows what will happen;)


I think is relative to I think my 909 sounds louder than my 57 however I think the 57 recreates the sound better than my 909. I like how the 909 is smooth when eqing it owns the 57 in the eq dept except the 57 has full eq kills and the 909 doesnt. There is alot more to compare its all relative to what you think sounds better as long as its not a behringer.
deejdave 10:22 PM - 18 November, 2014
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There is alot more to compare its all relative to what you think sounds better as long as its not a behringer.

LMAO well said!!
DJ Remy USA 10:22 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I actually heard the same rumor to but its just a rumor. Ive never liked how the 62 feels on my fingers. The Pots on there are totally weird imo. So Im still rocking my DJM 909.

I'd agree with the cue point buttons and some other random controls but in terms of faders & knobs the 62/64 are winners in my book.


agreed the faders are awesome its Rane I expect nothing better however the onboard controls are confusing to me. I never know if Im engaging the effect, hitting cue point, or loading a track or engaging or disengaging something. Granted I dont own the mixer only used it in clubs but I never struggle on Pio gear cause it makes sense at least to me it does.
hologram 10:47 PM - 18 November, 2014
pioneer make a mixer with two USB and I'm done with Rane.
Gio Alex 11:13 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I think is relative to I think my 909 sounds louder than my 57 however I think the 57 recreates the sound better than my 909. I like how the 909 is smooth when eqing it owns the 57 in the eq dept except the 57 has full eq kills and the 909 doesnt. There is alot more to compare its all relative to what you think sounds better as long as its not a behringer.


I have both a 57 and 909, and I often go back and forth between the two mixers. I do prefer the sound on the 57, but like you mentioned, you can really get down with the EQs on the 909. I run mine through a sound board nowadays and some nice studio monitors so everything sounds pretty crisp in the home studio.

I do a small trick for kill switching on the 909. I just turn the EQ switch on, the turn an EQ to 7 o'clock, then toggle it on/off. That does the trick.

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You ready to drop 3,000 on a pio mixer? lol
gfella 11:19 PM - 18 November, 2014
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agreed the faders are awesome its Rane I expect nothing better however the onboard controls are confusing to me. I never know if Im engaging the effect, hitting cue point, or loading a track or engaging or disengaging something. Granted I dont own the mixer only used it in clubs.


Must be exciting gigs then where you play:)
Seriously, the 62 is very simple to control, so I don't understand your comment.
gfella 11:47 PM - 18 November, 2014
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I think is relative to I think my 909 sounds louder than my 57 however I think the 57 recreates the sound better than my 909. I like how the 909 is smooth when eqing it owns the 57 in the eq dept except the 57 has full eq kills and the 909 doesnt. There is alot more to compare its all relative to what you think sounds better as long as its not a behringer.


Yes, it is relative.
I'm a bit Rane biased and for a reason.
After owning the 56 for more than 10 years and now the 62 it's hard to go for another brand.
But I always say use what you like to use, so even if that's Pioneer, have fun with it.
deejdave 12:21 AM - 19 November, 2014
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I think is relative to I think my 909 sounds louder than my 57 however I think the 57 recreates the sound better than my 909. I like how the 909 is smooth when eqing it owns the 57 in the eq dept except the 57 has full eq kills and the 909 doesnt. There is alot more to compare its all relative to what you think sounds better as long as its not a behringer.


Yes, it is relative.
I'm a bit Rane biased and for a reason.
After owning the 56 for more than 10 years and now the 62 it's hard to go for another brand.
But I always say use what you like to use, so even if that's Pioneer, have fun with it.

Always nice to have tried both sides of the fence though. Nevermind A&H, Ecler, etc.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:19 AM - 19 November, 2014
Just got 1 for $600.00 out the door...... I could only get one.... :-(.....

But they said they will honor that price once they get another one in the store.
lumas13 3:06 AM - 19 November, 2014
from where
deejdave 3:17 AM - 19 November, 2014
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But they said they will honor that price once they get another one in the store.

Got you by $1 LOL. Got the pair the week of release. YOU ARE GONNA LOVE ITT!!
deejdave 3:19 AM - 19 November, 2014
Didn't mean to brag just happy you got yourself a good deal too! It irks me to see/hear people paying full price.
Mr. Goodkat 3:19 AM - 19 November, 2014
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Just got 1 for $600.00 out the door...... I could only get one.... :-(.....

But they said they will honor that price once they get another one in the store.


that seems much better than the 999 msrp.
deejdave 3:22 AM - 19 November, 2014
I've never seen it higher than $699. EVEN AMS has it for that price so that's good. If I were to purchase locally I would have had to pay the tax too which sucks.
Mr. Goodkat 3:26 AM - 19 November, 2014
oh, i just saw the msrp.
deejdave 3:31 AM - 19 November, 2014
TBH I don't know how many peeps would have scooped up a pair at that price. I still got 4 tech's so I don't think I would have either. If it were up to Pioneer that would in fact be the actual retail price I bet!!
djvtyme85 5:46 AM - 19 November, 2014
i still think its insane we pay so much for turntables nowadays but inflation is to blame. don't know the exact math but i think $600 is fair for a industry standard turntable. time will tell if it can last 10yrs ob the road without major issues. my biggest concern and reason i'm waiting is number tone arm quality/durability and fit and finish. black is a lovely color but also will show wear much faster than technics standard silver finish.
deejdave 6:06 AM - 19 November, 2014
This is the one area I will NEVER be able to help anyone out in. I have a ton of gear so I tend to rotate what I am using quite a bit. I also do tend to baby my gear as it is. Both of these factors create both some pristine gear and a lot of dusting LOL. I do have my gear that I get down and dirty with as well though so trust I am not afraid to go at it............. just my PLX's are not in that category............ yet lol.
WarpNote 8:32 AM - 19 November, 2014
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You ready to drop 3,000 on a pio mixer? lol

Well, the DDJ-SX does 2 USB and DVS.
Sure, its not an DJM, but I doubt a DUAL USB DJM would sell for 3,0000.
Just sayin....
Mr. Goodkat 9:07 AM - 19 November, 2014
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I've never seen it higher than $699. EVEN AMS has it for that price so that's good. If I were to purchase locally I would have had to pay the tax too which sucks.


got confused thought we were talkin amx-1000.
deejdave 4:04 PM - 19 November, 2014
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got confused thought we were talkin amx-1000.

XDJ-1000 maybe?
deejdave 4:06 PM - 19 November, 2014
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You ready to drop 3,000 on a pio mixer? lol

Well, the DDJ-SX does 2 USB and DVS.
Sure, its not an DJM, but I doubt a DUAL USB DJM would sell for 3,0000.
Just sayin....

The SXTWO does DVS. The SZ does DVS and dual sound card.

The DJM-900SRT sold for $2200+ without the dual sound card so this leads to a strong indication of $2500+ for a dual sound card Pioneer mixer.
Gio Alex 5:16 PM - 19 November, 2014
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Well, the DDJ-SX does 2 USB and DVS.
Sure, its not an DJM, but I doubt a DUAL USB DJM would sell for 3,0000.
Just sayin....


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You guys do realize we're talking about Pioneer here right? Do you guys remember when the DJM TM-1 dropped. Wasn't it 1599 or 1699? A 1600+ mixer (sure it had midi, whatever) but had no effects loop. I mean, it had Traktor, but most people didn't want it for traktor. They eventually had to drop the price to $799, probably because of sales and the Z2 dropped which basically did the same shit. Not to mention a DJM 700 at the time went for like a $1000. Way more features and on board effects.

Now going back to the 900SRT. What makes you think it would only be 2500+ for the dual sound card? just 300 more? I doubt it. They would make it at least 2699. After tax you're basically dropping 3grand anyway. The 900SRT is basically a 900Nexus with a serato box inside. I'd imagine if they implemented an equivalent to an SL4 inside they would want their money, unless they discontinued the current 900SRT.

Rane 61 = 1399 - Rane 62 = 1999
DJM 900SRT = 2299 so i would imagine they would tax this at least 400 more.

I dunno.
hologram 5:29 PM - 19 November, 2014
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You ready to drop 3,000 on a pio mixer? lol


I get asked every rental if there is pioneer with 2 USB like the 62. It's starting to get annoying so yes I probably would pay 3k just to make it stop ;) so it would pay for itself in a year instead of 6 months. oh well
deejdave 5:44 PM - 19 November, 2014
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Last time I checked $2,699, 45,000 or $1,000,000 are ALL part of the + (as in PLUS) (as in greater than)


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DJM 900SRT = 2299 so i would imagine they would tax this at least 400 more.

keep in mind NOBODY pays these prices. Paid $1899 for my 900SRT (the week of release) and $1799 for my Rane 64 (The week of release). BOTH were out the door (no tax no shipping prices. I would hope someone would not pay $1,999 for the 62 when the 64 can be had for $200 less...................


This ALSO means even IF there was a $3000 price tag on a new dual sound card mixer from Pioneer you best believe this guy won't be paying a penny over $2500.......................

You may also notice the SUG retail price on the PLX-1000 is $849 EACH!!! forums.pioneerdj.com As you can see by the replies here most of us are paying around $600 each.......... gotta do the leg work.
Joee 5:47 PM - 19 November, 2014
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keep in mind NOBODY pays these prices. Paid $1899 for my 900SRT (the week of release) and $1799 for my Rane 64 (The week of release). BOTH were out the door (no tax no shipping prices. I would hope someone would not pay $1,999 for the 62 when the 64 can be had for $200 less...................

$1,625 for the 62 on release day, i imagine there cheaper now
deejdave 5:48 PM - 19 November, 2014
Exactly my point...................
deejdave 5:52 PM - 19 November, 2014
As I said earlier I have seen & heard of people paying prices like $2,299 retail on the SRT but not often. They are usually forced to either by location OR making payments.
Gio Alex 5:57 PM - 19 November, 2014
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keep in mind NOBODY pays these prices. Paid $1899 for my 900SRT (the week of release) and $1799 for my Rane 64 (The week of release). BOTH were out the door (no tax no shipping prices. I would hope someone would not pay $1,999 for the 62 when the 64 can be had for $200 less...................


Hold up! I hear you and I know what you're saying, you're right to a certain extent, but "NOBODY" is paying those prices? I've worked pro audio retail in the past and had many people pay sticker price. Nobody is a stretch here.
Gio Alex 5:57 PM - 19 November, 2014
My point is the sticker price, not what hunts or deals you grabbed on your own time.
Joee 6:03 PM - 19 November, 2014
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keep in mind NOBODY pays these prices. Paid $1899 for my 900SRT (the week of release) and $1799 for my Rane 64 (The week of release). BOTH were out the door (no tax no shipping prices. I would hope someone would not pay $1,999 for the 62 when the 64 can be had for $200 less...................


Hold up! I hear you and I know what you're saying, you're right to a certain extent, but "NOBODY" is paying those prices? I've worked pro audio retail in the past and had many people pay sticker price. Nobody is a stretch here.

you have a point also, not everyone know how to shop around or haggle pricing there are a lot of people that go into guitar center & pay full retail
Gio Alex 6:10 PM - 19 November, 2014
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Like I said, I'm simply speaking of sticker price, not the deals some of us know how or have the patience for haggling for. Keep in mind also, it depends on what the cost price is for that retail company. Is the cost Price is 2,000 for Pop's audio shop and they retail is 2,200, then you ain't getting any deal on that item. That would be a loss.

Which is why pio officially discontinued the DJM-T1. It became a loss for them and/or the shops to go from 1,600 retail to 799 retail. how much do you suppose they were selling that mixer to the shops for? it definitely was NOT 799, probably was more like 1,299. Think about it.