Need to know what part of the turntable the sticker is pointing to.

Esco, are you really saying you have to look farther than the position of the marker on the label to make that determination? Why would you need to see the table, cant you just look at the position of the marker? Cant you just 'know' it is pointing toward you?

LMAO nm

6

turntable clock time 9


turntable clock time 6

6

Battle 9
Normal 6

Too early to think about this! LoL

Can't tell from the picture. Shouldn't matter anyways, the marker can be anywhere, it is just a reference point to where to bring the record back to the start of the beat/sample/etc...
Your mind should recall that position automatically on the fly.

what do you mean?

Six o clock. Doesn't matter how the TT is positioned. What matters is your POV.

it does if you imagine the clock numbers 1 thru 12, if you move the table you move the numbers

Not the way I look at it. 12 o clock is relative to where I am positioned, not how the TT is positioned. Why complicate things?

6 oclock battle style which means if you turn the table disco style and don't move the marker its at 9

Misunderstood about the positioning. I agree with above that it would be 6 O'clock in either Standard or Battle style.

I change my answer LOL

If normal is at 6oclock
Then turning the 1200 to battle position,
The marker will now point to 3oclock

I had to draw a turntable on a paper :p

it depends where you're spinning. i'm in australia right now and all the turntables spin counter clockwise.

and positioning down here they use reverse battle and reverse underhand battle positions

I thought reverse underhanded battle position was outlawed back in 2002???

this. the picture could be taken in front, behind, or to the side of the deck

only in the dmcs. still pretty common out here

I always position my marker at

6:66 or 7:06 to fool all the believers. (No Justin)

nm

s1285.photobucket.com

creepy no mater how you put it it still shows 6

there is an assumption made here not shown in the og photo

Battle = 9 O' Clock
Traditional = 6 O' Clock

Personally this old fart, namely me, uses his TT's in traditional postion. Since 1) I learned that way 2) I don't scratch or battle.

So when will we know the answer?

I'll go with if it's set up battle style the sticker points to 6 / disco style 9

I feel like that little bit of blue in the corner might be the power switch light :P

As long as the picture is at 6 oclock it does not matter what way the TT is placed.

so you need to know what?

what info is missing in that picture?

lol - so you are using that little bit of blue as a guide?

dude.....it's been a day already just post part II already

but looking at the picture again there is no clock position the record is spinning

yeah, but the picture 'freezes' time so its in a single position according to the picture

you know i only looked at the first two questions and not this 3rd one

id say how can it be answered? you see the marker but not the turn table, so how can you know what clock position it's at?

could be 12 could be 6, 3,9, any clock position really depending on what way it's facing

3 o' clock for both.

the other question where is the turntable arm?

why would you need to see the turntable arm?

enough ......of you game....lol

considering we always put the label side up so we can read the record , it's 12 o'clock

but again it could also be any position

wait you did ask two questions

12 disco postion

3 battle position

when applying my previous theory

I'M DONE

ANSWER

Here is the uncropped photo: lh4.googleusercontent.com

The first answer in this thread is the most correct along with the several others of the same.

Without seeing the rest of the turntable how can you determine where it is pointing? You cant. There must be a reference.

Now of course the clock is arbitrary and you can imagine it any way you please. So orienting the clock to your position is actually choosing a side (or location) on the deck to be a time on the clock. Typically "up" = 12o'clock, which changes according to battle/normal. But to determine the sticker location in relation to that clock the position of the deck must be know.

If you were to simply state the curent position of the sticker is 6o'clock regardless of where it points to on the deck would be 'imposible' to return it to the same degree if you change perspective (move around) It would still require measuring the change in degree, or a return to the original position by noting its location relative to the deck (stationary object) 'You are not a stationary object.

The point of this exercise is to show the "clock" is arbitrary. And the degree at which the sticker finds itself can only be determined relative to the deck. Without the deck as a right angle reference information about the location of the sticker can not be reliably determined because 'you' are not a fixed object at precisely 6'oclock (and having only one eye - unless you do only have one eye)

The difficulty in understanding this situation is we are very comfortable in 3d space and find it very difficult to not immediately create lines of references and say "down =6" which happens not to have been the case. Secondly an incorrect assumption might be made about the location of the camera to the deck (directly in front at right angles) Here it was easiest to use the edges and angle of the photograph as a guiding measure. In real life those edges of the photo obviously do not exist to use as orientation.


nm

i said this man...lol

granted late but thats because i saw the 3rd question late.....lol

bingo

smh...

THIS is the MOST correct answer...





That was the END of the thread right there for most people who used COMMON SENSE, but I wanted to give AKIEM an entire day, just for him to see how much of an idiot he truly is.

The initial issue was that in a separate thread I said -

Of course he got all butt hurt and said that

I then laughed in his face, reminded him that we're talking about "Alignment" not about "Distance" about it being "More Accurate", so I posted the differences -

www.dropbox.com - 6'oclock
www.dropbox.com - Cart

How is ONE more "Accurate" than the other?

So in AKIEM's world, it's POSSIBLE that a DJ could be ON A SET, and NOT know the orientation of the turntables, THUS NOT be able to truly tell where there hell 6'oclock, (or ANY O'clock is for that matter), as he claims we have to constantly look at RIGHT ANGLES to figure out the "True" angle of the sticker....

Versus, a muhfuggah just setting up his turntables, parallel to the table ONCE, (lmao) and using himself as a POV (even though he claims you're not at TRUE 6 o'clock or whatever..lmao), and knowing how to line up a damn marker vertically...

He assumes your deck, table or whatever will randomly change orientation, so you should ALWAYS use the marker pointing to the CART so you'll ALWAYS know where the start of your CUE is....

Oh, and I guess his initial thread didn't get too many hits, so that's why he brought it here...

I deaded him a long time ago...

Oh, and then he went from just POINTING to the cart to how close the actual MARKER can be to the cart making it "More Accurate"...lmao.

Yeah, that's if you only use the last 30 seconds of your CV....

LMAO...Only in AKIEM's world...

So I made him this - > www.dropbox.com

smh...

I'm just gonna put this right here - serato.com

This must be a record of some sort....

lmao @ "IQ" Test, and cat's cant' even tell time....

this thread is dumb really guys.lol

I agree...

As a matter of fact, when he said -

I said -

But hey, it's AKIEM's world, so...

It's CRAZY, because he said right here -

But he just doesn't view a VERTICAL LINE (or the 6o'clock position that the marker may be in), as a "Position"...lmao.

News to me since EVERYBODY here I think can imagine a perfectly vertical line from their POV.

This dude is mad. Nm

I'm sure this will only be more perplexing, but.

DJs do not stand in fixed positions (like photographs) so you definitely can't line something up from your pov. You can chose a side of the deck and line the sticker up to that line at a right angle or parallel. In other words you need two objects to measure a degree.

Simple test:
1 take a pencil.
2 close one eye
3 hold it arms length
4 line it up with something in the distance.
5 open both eyes
6 is it lined up with both eyes?
7 no

Do you close one eye (like a photograph) when lining up your sticker?

No. And we can't, we have stereo vision for depth perception.

What we do is line the sticker up to a fixed position, the edge of the turntable to measure its position. Not our own point of view. Not unless you are standing perfectly still and closing one eye.

Nm

LMAO - no one wants to click on www.djjohnnym.com because of the virus warning you get - LMAO

So that's your "Argument"?

Ok, calling all DJ's in AKIEM'S WORLD, you're doing it ALL WRONG....

You aligning the marker with anything OTHER than the cart (including what you "perceive" to be "Vertical"), will NOT be correct....

You know what put the nail in the coffin?

That me and Mike_P both agree about the POV argument, so you received completely "Unbiased" feedback until I explained the backend story.

Your sloppy argument is that this picture lh4.googleusercontent.com represents the DJ standing with the turntable turned cattycorner, or you just want to play Pictionary and whatnot.

No time for games man.

That's funny, works just fine for me...

www.djjohnnym.com

and LMAO @ trying to change the subject...

Not at all, you just want attention.....

LMAO.
nm

Yep, just the difference between

www.dropbox.com <- 6 o'clock

and

www.dropbox.com <- AKIEM o'clock.

Simple.

www.dropbox.com

I tried to limit your embarrassment to the other thread, but hey, you wanna be put on front street....

So, where's PART 2 of your DJ IQ test again?

Your horizontal line is lined up with the edge of the photo and the turntable here. Otherwise you could not place it correctly.



Incorrect. I use every degree or clock position as a reference.




LMAO this dude made a meme LMAO
LMAO this dude went and got a Dropbox account LMAO

Nm

Maybe this dude does only have one eye and stands perfectly still when pulling the record back. Maybe he is right about using his pov.

LMAO
nm

Like I said, only in AKIEM's world would a DJ need to use "One Eye" and stand "Perfectly Still" to judge when a line is Vertical...

Or to be able to tell time...

Yeah, so bring on Part 2, I'm sure we're all eagerly waiting your next public service announcement...as this one was so insightful...

Not at all. You can judge it to be vertical by right angle to a horizontal (edge of deck)




You do realize that your point of view comes from your eyes which are not in a fixed position to measure (unless you are standing perfectly still)






Before we get there.

1 take a pencil.
2 close one eye
3 hold it 'vertical' at arms length
4 line it up with something in the distance.
5 open both eyes
6 is it lined up with both eyes?

What's the verdict?

Nm

ya'll must be bored or something


nm

I don't know about the rest of you, but I leave my compass and protractor at home when I DJ. I just go by whatever visual marks or cue points I make while practicing. If that changes from one wet up to the next, so be it, you adapt. It ain't fucking rocket science that gets fucked up when converting inches to millimeters! For god's sake what ever happened to just "feeling" whit out? And I don't mean your gf...

NM

The other thing I'd like to point out (and I think it belongs on that other thread that AKIEM keeps pushing but I ain't going to look for it) - is that I learned by using the cart as a reference for putting the marker. However, I've learned to use 12 o'clock since that's what Serato displays.

It wasn't that difficult to get used to. Actually, it was quite simple. And no, I didn't have to close one eye. lol

nm

Part of the reason I don't always use the cart. But as soon as you hit a new cue point......

Nm

Another simple test.

1 Stand in front of your deck normally.
2 stop the deck, point the sticker to ""you"", 6 o'clock
3 move yourself a couple feet to the side
4 is the sticker still at 6 o'clock?
Obviously yes.
5 is the sticker pointing to 'you'?
Obviously not.

Therefore you can't use yourself as a point of reference 'you' are moving.

What can do is point the sticker vertical (right angle) to the edge of the deck, move around all you want and still see its at 6oclock

He's saying that using 12 o'clock (or whatever o'clock) is NOT AS ACCURATE as pointing to the cart....lmao...

He's saying that "Because they DJ is not stationary", they loose the ability to make a judgement that a line is at 12, or 3, 6, or 9 o'clock...

It's literally this -> www.dropbox.com

vs.

This - > www.dropbox.com

Not at all what I am saying.

Making shit up.

Nm

He's saying that even thought I set up my turntable parallel to the table or whatever I've got it sitting on, and that I'm standing in front of said table,

that I will not be able to "Accurately" judge when a damn line is vertical or not....

LMAO -

According to him, you'll ALWAYS need to look beyond the "LABEL MARKER" to determine if it's truly at 6, 12 or whatever o'clock, whereas, if you've set your decks up like every other DJ who has the sense to set up their decks "straight" you'll only need to determine the vertical x horizontal position of the marker....

How?

Because you know what a straight line looks like...

What?

You just said

LMAO at incorrectly stating what I never said LMAO
Nm

You said that this -> www.dropbox.com

is more accurate than this -> www.dropbox.com

And I quote

Duh - you arnt using yourself as a point of reference, you are using the turntable especially the right angle edges as a point of reference.

LMAO at your point of reference being "you" who is moving around LMAO

Told y'all...

Only in AKIEM's world....

Stay tuned for Part 2...

I guarantee that it's a new math "Problem"....

you guys need to get laid, who give a sh!t about record markers?

y'all need some @ss!

LMAO

Joee, I was TRYING to leave it buried wherever the original thread was....schooled him all nice and quietly....no biggie...

But no, he wanted to bring it center stage...where nobody cares....

So, here we are...

I'm surprised he didn't link to the original thread yet, but I'm sure he will...

****sigh****

LMAO he tried to leave it alone but what, can't stand to be wrong about some shit? LMAO

Oh no!

mad

Nm

LMAO @ "move a few feet away"...ha hahaha...

So yeah, that's how us DJ's do now adays...

Off center remote control cueing....

Gotcha...

No, you couldn't stand being wrong about it being a PERSONAL PREFERENCE, vs. it being "More Accurate"...lmao.

And again, your theory EVAPORATES the minute you DON'T have a cart, like in the case of those who are using Denon CDJ's..... right? lol..

Aww man, please bring on Part 2.

Again with the fake arguments. I never said "move a few feet away"

no wonder he doesn't understand precision.

Nm

try it in chrome. your site is flagged as malware.

LMAO, I said it was a personal preference from the beguiling.

I also said, I use both methods or any angle.


Nm

This mf.

Nm

Oh really?



LMAO....

Now you can't read what YOU wrote?

We get it.

AKIEM's World...

Coming to an imagination near you....

i.imgur.com

Part 2?

Do you know what "to the side" means?

It does not mean "move a few feet away".

This fool can't follow the simplest of instructions.








LMAO at this dude so amped about arguing with me he switches to Dropbox because no one was clicking on his malware site.

man, go fix your jankey website first. (smh - moving shit to Dropbox to stay arguing)

Nm

So you're actually arguing that



is RADICALLY DIFFERENT than



Really?

A "Couple" vs a "Few"?

And we're both talking about "Feet" too.. right?

That's what your argument breaks down to?

LMAO ...

Only in AKIEM's world....

Oh, this is great....but boring...

jm akm you need this in you're life

galleries.adult-empire.com

Man look, you know AKIEM is all 'Huff" and no "Puff"...

We're STILL waiting for "Part 2"...

dude i just put a big booty in ur face & u still talking akiem

Joee,

Just so we're clear....

That was NOT a "Big Booty"....

Calling Pdidy.....

lol........i know, i should have said nice booty

don't front

You know. When I cross the street and I see cars coming. I'm pretty sure I know where they are just by using my eyes even if they're moving and I'm quite confident I won't cross when I don't need to.

nm

Not necessarily so in AKIEM's World...

If that car is not in your straight line of sight, (12 o'clock), you're liable to step off the curb and get hit at 9 o'clock all at 4:15pm in the afternoon....

I agree. Can you make a precise measurement about the angle these cars are traveling at without any reference such as a street, the sidewalk, building...

^ no reason to complicate the illustration with cars and shit tho.


1 Stand in front of your deck normally.
2 stop the deck, point the sticker to ""you"", 6 o'clock
3 move yourself a couple feet to the side
4 is the sticker still at 6 o'clock?
yes
5 is the sticker pointing to 'you'?
no

Are these answers incorrect?

nm

like I clicked on that with all the malware links around here.

Im in an office, what am I supposed to do, whip my dick out?

If you are really that concerned, I can pop back in here next time I bust a nut on chicks back and let you know.
raw

LMAO

nm

wow - I said to the SIDE

And yes that makes all the difference in the world when we are talking about "perspective"


This dude, closed one eye, took two steps straight back and said "nope its still pointing at me"

Like I said cant follow the simplest instructions.

nm

damn son, you just took to a place were it didn't need to go, i guess it all that pint up frustration

Now it's "Side" vs "Away"...

Only in AKIEM's World

You're arguing with your own example....lmao.

d1p9eehgiw2m83.cloudfront.net

Of course it's all that "Pent Up" frustration...

Conjugal Visits have been put on hold since "The Heat" left...

That's why he's trying to bring up any argument aside from

This -> www.dropbox.com

supposidly being "More Accurate"

Than This -> www.dropbox.com

Which all comes down to this - > www.dropbox.com

And we're STILL waiting on "Part 2".....

This thread backfired by the 9th post...Damn.

man is this dude dumb.
SIMPLE test with SIMPLE instructions

serato.com

1 Stand in front of your deck normally.
2 stop the deck, point the sticker to ""you"", 6 o'clock
3 move yourself a couple feet to the side
4 is the sticker still at 6 o'clock?
Obviously yes.
5 is the sticker pointing to 'you'?
Obviously not.


It says a "a couple" if you want that to mean "a few" thats perfectly fine. It says to the "side". Yes when discussing perspective it makes a difference. If instead of moving "to the side" you move "away" as in "backwards" it makes a difference.

Can you comprehend what "to the side means"? It really is not to difficult and should not be hard to distinguish from simply "away". It is slightly more specific.

frustration
warosu.org

nm

LMAO...

Part 2?

you arnt ready.

did you do my simple tests?

nm

Can this bullshit please die

yeah "stop tracking"
I think thats what its for.

Hey, I like you avatar tho, did you design that?

illustrated


1 Stand in front of your deck normally.
[even this may difficult for you]

2 stop the deck, point the sticker to ""you"", 6 o'clock lh6.googleusercontent.com

3 move yourself a couple feet to the side lh3.googleusercontent.com
[fool, I said "SIDE"]

lh5.googleusercontent.com
[thats better]

4 is the sticker still at 6 o'clock?
Obviously yes.

5 is the sticker pointing to 'you'?
Obviously not.

Therefore ""YOU"" cant be the point of reference ""YOU"" are not stationary.

6 lets move you around some more. Start the record spinning. AND remove all the right angles and things you say are unnecessary. lh4.googleusercontent.com

7 now how can you return the record to 6 o'clock with some accuracy?

You cant use yourself, you moved.

8 only way to do it with accuracy is bring back the right angles (the deck)
lh4.googleusercontent.com

This dude is a full of contradictions.

Calls out others for snitching - then teams up with his partner and starts snitching.

Calls out others out because they are are calling others names - gets banned for doing this by himself.

Calls others out because he thinks they're racist - gets banned for posting racial slurs.

Calls out others because he suspects them to distribute viruses and other stuff through their website and their software - then has his own website which Google certifies to spread malware.

Some call it contradictions - some hypocrite.

Do I need to say more? Haha. Backfired posts, huh.

there is plenty more.......

No.

I hope you're not waiting on me for that...LMAO.

Besides,

If you look at the entire picture, you have 3 people on here, (That's me, Mike_P, and Sixxx....) aside from this topic, usually don't agree....

But seem to have a "common" consensus here....

This thread is over....

Been over...

Should NEVER have been a thread in the first place...

Ha, now you snappin' on cats....

Nope, and it cracks me up that the ONLY time you come outta your shell is when your gurls think they have me on the "ropes"....

Y'all need to plan this out better...

Forreal...

I'm sure...

We can't wait.....

Dammit!

I've been "Trolled" again...

I know how to end this...

****Unsubscribes*****

Y'all will thank me later....

LMAO @ viruses...

www.djjohnnym.com < - Looks good to me.....

*****Unsubscribes again*****

you really need to update them 2012 fliers

Man, those flyers represent when I PERSONALLY throw and promote a party and get the cash...

When it's other cats footing the bill, I let them advertise....

****Unsubscribes Again*****

[smh]
nm

Anyways.....

So typically, we set up an imagined "clock" at right angles and parallel to the edges of the turntable. The furthest edge of the deck is the 12 o'clock side, and we know the sticker on the label is exactly at 12 when it is at a right angle to that furthest edge.

nm

Fuck geometry. Just DJ.

LOL this dude is trying to prove a Pythagorean Theorem on a turntable.

lol
nm

lol - yall are funny

this shit is really very simple
only the argument is complicated, as usual

[ignorance wins]

nm

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