I pushed the like button.

+1

You already know the board is going to be flooded with this.

what? you already know i have my sr & sx sold for the same money i payed for them….no Bitchazzness here i know better……

i think i'm not gonna hop on it right away neither it might be better to let them work out the kinks…..before buying it

I have back up to my back up. LOL

Yeah I will be selling my DDJ-SX to help fund my purchase of the SZ....but I still have my TT's and my Reloop TM2. Sooo... I will also wait a couple of months. Same as I did when the SX came out. I finally bought it after the 2nd firmware release.

I like having new toys, but I am also patient and know that new doesn't mean better from the start.

Another reason controllers suck. You can't even buy a new one and expect it to last. It hasn't even hit the market and people are already worried it won't work? lol

nm

Reminds me of android!!!


Nm nh nb

Isnt the DDJ SZ a nexus mixer and two CDJs combined in one smaller setup? I think its a step up in the controller market, probably the best software controller to date. With that said the hardware is proven to work so I wouldn't expect any problems from it. Its the software that will need to catch up. This new Serato Dj software is going to have to work with all new Rane mixers and a ton of new controllers.

there's a like button on the sz?

Right next to the sync button.

Or ios 7 and Apple maps.

Don't y'all mean the "Crush It' button?

Not sure, it was a button thou.

Hey i like iOS 7 Especially since it's jail broken...

I like it also but it was a bit of a mess when it was first released.

Its no surprise but there appears to be an issue with the DDJ-SZ platters....There will likely be a lot of pissed off people posting in the next few days who didn't have the patience to wait....

correction: seems the US wont get them until the 24th so there's time before the big complaints come in....

dj freestyle has them already. and he bought 2!

summabish! :P

Wasn't he the guy who said his friend had one for the past few months and everything was fine with the unit?

man you already know, the sx is working fine......as bad as i want to buy one i will be waiting,i don't need to be the first kid with the new toy

let them work out all the kinks first ;)

Who are you, and what have you done with Joee?

^ ummmm.......a $2,000 pieace controller, i'll wait to make sure all is good......you already see people saying it's not working right

I'm sayin'...

Cats be "Pre-Ordering" like it's goin' out of style, and ain't even been released yet...

yea i'm in no hurry i've been lucky being an early adopter on some gear but now i have more patience it can wait... My DDJ SX is working just fine with Serato DJ 1.6 and Mixemergency.

if it was a rane mixer i would be confident pre ordering 12 of them jawns cause i know it's quality

but a pioneer controller ?

"man listen"

LMAO!

i'm actually lying ......cause i did pre order the ddj sr
pioneerdj.com

but that was only $500 not $2000

****Blank Stare****

Man, lemmie get a dub...

That SR is sooooo 2013! gotta get on the SZ :P

*****Double Blank Stare*****

you make 90+ K a year


man, lemmie get 2K so i can buy a ddj sz, you want me to link my paypal so you can lemmie have that?

:-)

But you the one saying

Sheeet, I WISH I would "Only" find 500 bucks sittin' around somewhere.....

stop actin like $500 is a lot

Ok, then lemmie get a Dub then....

Me to!

..............


Nm nh

Is 90k a lot or little in your eyes?

I don't know who you are, but 500 US Dollars is a lot of money, for me and most people in the world.

The way I buy dj gear, It is not enough LOL

.................

Nm nh

Its a controller. It will go out of style soon enough

nm

The hardware is not proven to work. It's not even out yet. The hardware it is based on - which costs 3 times as much as the SZ in total - is proven to work.

What corners were cut to get it to come in under $2000? What new features did they add that haven't been properly tested out in the wild by real-live djs?

Keep in mind that the SR, which was based on a relatively problem-free SX (which in itself had issues), had some of it's own, major problems (that weren't in the SX) when it launched.

serato.com

well i'll consider myself fortunate that $500 is really not that much money to spend, i'm not a 16 year old starting dj

how much money will you make for a $500 ddj sr?


i'll make a few $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

all my gear has payed for itself many times over!

I hope so to - then you could pay me my $100.
nm

Which further underscores my point...

Hurry up to buy something that will soon be replaced/upgraded/outdated in a relatively short time...

LMAO - thats a good strategy, I bet it saved you at least $100 - LMAO

You and that Geico dude must be in cahoots or sumphin...

...............
Nm nh

what the hell does that mean?

^ and how can i misquote of homo it?

that reminds me I need to call him, see if I can get my rate lowered.

nm

.............. .... .. ................ ....... . . . .....


Nm nh

i have no idea what that means, or what reason there is to put nm nh

That's a copy of his mix.

Yup! I still won't get this. I'm still using the original techs I got. Now, I've switched and upgraded mixers over the years, but that's not because they stopped working. Things reach their limit and capabilities sometimes. I guess that can be applied to TTS, but then again that's what the integrated serato mixers are for.

People always want the new shit, what's wrong with the gear you're using now? And if there is something wrong then you need to reconsider how you spend money and purchase quality gear that lasts rather than hopping on the bandwagon of whatever's currently hot.

The other thing I don't get is, if you're gear is gonna pay for itself through gigs then why not spend money on quality naw mean.

I gots 4 controllers ans 4 tt it cause i gots it like that..... i needs the new shit so the other dj's see me come in with the new freshness.

and now with the sz it will look like i spent $6000 on some new cdj's and djm.

my setup is faster and i can hit that sync button with the quickness and start jesus posing.


knowhaimsayun

True true! Sync button makes you godly.

PSSL says they have the SZ in stock. Anyone else other than DJ Freestyle get theirs yet??

Got Damit, DID I call it ?....Yep I called it.

A lot of issues with the ddj-sz so a lot of early adopters, lab rats and Guinea Pigs will be getting fucked up when the are REQUIRED to return it to get fixed....smh

^ no bitch assness

They just need to update their software! *jamalot voice*

If it is a hardware issue I am ok with the return.
I think i have enough backup gear.... LOL

But damn this SZ is nice!

Haha. II'm assuming you've been reading the other thread as well.

Yes Sir, I like to stay in the mix even if it doesn't directly affect me.

You're the last person that comment could apply to....lol

lol
Unfortunately its not looking like its gonna be that easy.....

I'm pissed that it's gonna have to go back but...

I still have my White DDJ SX, my Black DDJ SX, my Reloop 8000's, my 1200 MK2's, my 1200 MK5's, my Rane 64, my Rane 57SL and I know i'm forgetting something but....

I feel sorry for anyone that sold their current rig in order to get the SZ.

Whenever I DO get a fully functioning SZ, I will then work it out to see if it's something i REALLY want to keep because now that I have it, i'm not extremely happy with the features.

The color FX are kinda not all that.
The Oscillator is a straight gimmick that is kinda useless.
I'm pretty much the ONLY dj that's gonna be on it so the a/b usb's is not really that important.

I'm just not convinced this is what I REALLY want anymore but i'm not STUCK with it nor am I FORCED to use it as I have OTHER gear to use.

Oh yeah...

I still have my NS6 too.

I knew I was forgetting something.

Is there an announcement about a recall?

not officially but it appears it will be going the rout in a few days.

Pioneer gave a statement on their website, that they are sorry about the problem some users experienced with the SZ, that they are investigating it and they will give an answer mid not later than mid april.

Oh snap! This is real? LMAO...

Talk about Murphy's Law...

This is why I will never FULLY trust controllers. Turntables, You can always throw on wax, CDJs you can always pop in a cd. Doing any weddings or corporate events, you should always bring a back up. I bring two computers for those sorts of events, ALWAYS. A bag of wax, ipod, cds. Too much to gamble and take risks with.

Geeze not even 15mins my post got delete here about the pioneer service issue posted last night

I though this is Serato forum, not pioneer forum?

are you ok?

you smoking that funny stuff?


your posting can be seen here
serato.com

Wooops too many SZ THREAD and I clicked on this one lol. Sorry

It was early!!

LMAO....

Someone was pulling out his guns early this morning.... lol

"and transfer to the Warranty & Service Department to arrange for the repair or replacement of your product."
www.pioneerelectronics.com

Logan D says

"I believe the units being sent back in are simply having their firmware updated, and this update is not possible with the standard flash-update you can perform yourself. "

Pulse "pioneer rep"

"And no, it's not a firmware update or users would be able to do that themselves. "

seems pioneer and serato didn't get their story straight yet....lol

granted, i dont expect pioneer to admit to ANYTHING. That's just basic business 101.

Wow, that's crazy....

How much is that thing again?

2k chump change ;)

lol, baller...

This is apparently a firmware update on a read only chip so the firmware update can only be achieved by replacing this part which is not user serviceable. They actually did get the stories right this time. Too Little, Too Late.......................... maybe but at leas the wheels are in motion. I don't even have the issue with this but I will be getting the update as they are paying for shipping, etc.

ive been away for a few days, has pioneer admitted to this yet officially ?

www.pioneerelectronics.com
Notice of Service.

I sent mine in

This is why I'm straight with my 1200's, they never let me down... don't fix what ain't broke

My SZ works great as do my 1200's as do everything in between. It's not lock that it all does BTW.

They certainly were not after the users who are still using only 1200's with this one though so no attempt to fix them was made LOL.

This....

True..........

If it wouldn't be so socially unacceptable I would be still walking around with that HUGE ass Nokia Cell Phone from back in 2000....... with the extendable Antenne and huge buttons.... That thing could call and text like nobody's business, and the battery would last several days.....

Plus it had an awesome game called Snake!!!!!!!

lmao Memories

LMAO, like 1200's are "Out of style"....

smh.

And they don't need a software patch to get it to work. All new technology is not great.

controllers do have there place......

were not getting any younger, when we are old ** insert johnny joke here ** do you want to carry heavy TT & a mixer

when your double booked in on day and have to leave the first event to get to the next a controller is also good to get in and out quick

my sx has been serving me pretty good

This is true



If I'm too old to carry it, then I'd be too old to DJ.

But the analogy of where the usefulness of a 1200 is being compared to the "usefulness" of an old school Nokia is ridiculous.



No disagreement there....

Both devices have their place in this game...

By the way

Aren't YOU the one with GRANDKIDS?

LOL

Oh no they are still "cool" and awesome as well as efficient. They are also limited. There are COUNTLESS things that joust could NOT be done without software or controllers. There is a human to creativity gap that must be bridged with some sort of control surface as well as some sort of algorithm as well as some sort of device to translate the combination of both of those into audible art. While TT's will always rock in my book we are getting closer and closer to being able to do everything you can do with them on a controller yet TT's will never be able to do what controllers & software do.

There is a lesson to be learned from T's but is is a history lesson for the most part as in nothing new coming in on that end. Whatever can be done with them has been done already. On the contrary we are just beginning to find out the possibilities with software and with every type of technology developed we will see how it can help in our manipulation of music. It's up to each of us to either embrace it and evolve or stick with what's tried & true. BOTH work. BOTH get the job done.

You forgot to correct "were" - should be we're*

Controllers do have their place.............





























































IN THE TRASH!!

<facepalm> <smh>

YES "they" still exist........

Some of us just take longer to evolve.......

If being all talk and no skill is your idea of evolving, you got me...

All this hostility...

Lol

I have not even sent my SZ back yet because I'm on a well deserved vacation.

It's going back when I get back to DC.

It's funny the debate on controllers vs tables.
I learned years and years ago on techs. There were no CDJ's, no laptops, no controllers, none of that.

When CDJ'S came out, I hated them. I Truly did! I was so used to putting the needle wherever I needed to. You just could not do that with CDJ's. Getting to the break on a cdj was a pain in the ass.

I pretty much went from techs to controllers but I of course have my 800's and 1000's.

I still have most of my equipment so sending the SZ back does not hurt me.
I am looking forward to using it though once it's fully operational.
Don't know if I will be using it for dvs though.

Clearly DJ Construk > The rest of the world.

I wonder what you would say to Jazzy Jeff or any of the other (almost all) amazing DJ's who have been able to evolve with the industry. I have one friend who has this same mentality. I would say DJ friend but he is n longer actively DJing due to lack of interested employers. He has his skill for sure but his lack of willingness to accept the changing times has led to a never changing set as well as a limited playlist as he ONLY uses vinyl.

To use Serato itself you have already made the leap you just won't admit it. It all works pretty much the same. I see you have the 62........................... understand you have THE SAME EXACT thing that a person who has a controller has minus the platters. You are also lacking the performance pads and you can only imagine (while the rest of us know) the possibilities & capabilities you are denying yourself. By all means it is only you who is missing out.

Using my Rane 64 or my DJM-900SRT along with my DJM-SP1 & Serato Remote I have more possibilities while using my 2000's (or TT's if I wanted to which I don't) than you could ever have. Yet nothing I do is automated. I don't even use SYNC yet i am using a controller (the SP1 & Remote) so where is the talent lost? As far as I knew everything that was happening was being done by me & my hands.

@ deejdave, I think his comment was more a person shot at "me" due to an unrelated topic....lol

But your statement still holds truth.

Personal

It's all good. I am all too familiar with the type. I don't know why but it just bothers me when someone so wrong for some reason or another just doesn't get it...................... or WON'T get it. I am not doubting his skill as typically the DJ with this mentality is quite good which is what bothers me the most. They are pretty much making their own bed and it doesn't have to be that way. What's worse is you will see them taking stabs & reaches at others for moving forward & never the other way. I mean it makes sense as when someone finally makes the move they don't look back ad the only confusion comes from them wondering why they waited so long...........................

I know it is intimidating & a little scary but the rewards are plentiful and you will literally be lifting the limitations. This also DOES NOT mean you have to get a DDJ-SB and take a stab at the next DMC. The SB wouldn't help n individual with your talent anyways. Consider a pro level SUB controller which will raise the bar on your performance guaranteed.

youtu.be

LIKE !
Watchwww.youtube.com

"To use Serato itself you have already made the leap you just won't admit it. It all works pretty much the same. I see you have the 62........................... understand you have THE SAME EXACT thing that a person who has a controller has minus the platters. You are also lacking the performance pads and you can only imagine (while the rest of us know) the possibilities & capabilities you are denying yourself. By all means it is only you who is missing out."

THAT comment made me think of this vid

Wicked use of a controller!

I just noticed.. Construc is posing beside DJ Craze on his avitar.
I know Craze use Native Insturment controllers... so Is Craze wack for using controllers?

Im just observing :)

the was a nice use of a controller

no he just evolving with the times, i use to be one of those dj's that talked mad sh!t about controller dj's

but than i tried one for my self and said this is not so bad

I don't talk bad about them. I just don't use em. Unless my turntables die, no reason for me to buy any.

your avatar looks like a coffin style case, when you gig a lot that thing becomes a pain to carry around

a controller than starts to look appealing ........


what about a small lounge type gig? again more appealing

That was sick!!!

I'm a big strong guy, coffin is not an issue. I am getting separate cases though as I now have a car & not a SUV anymore.

Seems like you have a hard case coffin in your pics. Have you ever tried those carpeted coffins? How are they weight wise compared to the hard cased ones?

I think I can strong arm one of the. I used to roll with a crew but now its just me so I used single cases but I miss the quick set ups of a coffin.

me too, but i want to work smarter not harder the controller also make for a super fast setup/teardown time compared to single tt case/mixer

An iPad would make it even more faster.


No wait. A mix from your phone would make it faster. Or you don't like a mix, just an app from your phone is also faster.

nm

not as fast as your boy luis turning tail and running away from the serato forum

but yea controllers make fast work of set up time...........

That's nothing more than an excuse for lazy people.

nm

no that's a smart guy making money easier and faster.....

tell luis i said was up........

NL

I don't know who Luis is but if you're crushing on a guy. It's cool. Gay is okay in 2014. lol

nm

Like I said, don't stop there with your laziness. Just play a prerecorded mix and wave your hands in the air.

nm

funny cause you and the_black_one defend each other like boyfriend & girlfriend & your right it is 2014 to each his own i judge no one, if you like a big *****you fill in the rest****** thats your prerogative more power to you



you know who plays prerecorded mix's and waves there hands in the air Tiësto, but i bet you wouldn't want that ....you wouldn't want to make 10 million a year ......

you keep it real wright?

which one should i use this weekend 6?
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10 million a year?!!!?

I'd be a prerecorded, hand waving mutherfucker all day for that kind of money!

i'm sorry he earned 22 million in 2012, i'm not sure what he made last year
www.digitalspy.com

22 million...
In a year.....
From spinning prerecorded mixes...
And waiving your hands in the air.......

I'm getting my EDM prerecorded mixes ready!
I'm working on my hand waiving and fist in the air techniques as we speak!

Lol

Who? lmao. Luis is mastermind? You must have a real crush to know his real name and all. lmao. Defend him!? lmao. You can't read aparently. Like I said. You probably had a crush on him.

PS. Show me a post where I defended him.

Controllers must make you delusional.

lol


nm

I'm not a fan of tiesto but if you dont have a clue how he even makes his money, you need to sell your controllers and read more.

nm

he's a dj/music producer

did i miss something?
stop fronton you and him are Carnalitos

lmao.

what!

you wanna go too?


lol.........

TBO is still missing in action.........lol

fronton? I don't speak retarded

nm

yo mad bra......

Nope. But I think you are. I mean, really. Having to defend a controller. Perhaps you don't feel man enough having one that you have to defend yourself Lol

nm

Seriously, yall aint got nothing better to talk about ?

We could talk about your latest mix or video.....

Oh wait.

nm

i'm talking about controllers......

6 must be lonely ever since luis left .........

He did disappear didn't he/she?

Having a controller or two is cool.
Having a controller or two plus a set of turntables or to or three sets is even better!

My SZ will be going back to Pioneer bit no bitchazzness from me.
I got backups for my backups.

this right here i have a few 62's TT & controllers

I recently sold all my controllers since the uses have stopped.

Turntables...

Technic 1200 Mk2's
Technic 1200 Mk5's
Reloop RP8000's.

Mixers...

Rane 64
Rane 57sl

Controllers...

Pioneer DDJ-SX (black)
Pioneer DDJ-SX (white)
Numark NS6
Pioneer DDJ-SZ (going back for repair/replace)

The SZ had not worked out yet. Oh well...
That don't stop the party!

Defnately not the 300. I had two of them and sold them as they weren't that good. I got the SZ & the SX too. Then again i also got the Rane 64 & 900SRT LOL.

Agreed BUT I feel very limited when i use my SX or even SZ. When using my 64 things get much more open. When I use my 900SRT & CDJ-2000Nexus's with my SP1 & Serato Remote................ I feel like I could do anything. As a matter of fact this is the most capable setup I have ever used. Throw in my Technics (Which I never do I am just sayin) and there's pretty much nothing I couldn't do.

Controllers are great but aside from the portability the advantages are on the other side. IMO at least. THIS is what works for me. Whatever works for you is fine. Then again i do things a little bigger than most with most aspects in my life LOL. When I do something I DO IT!! ha

I think you have a crush on that guy. You've mention him quite often. lol

nm

don't get it twisted, i do use turntables also

Didn't you have a 909 to?

Ahhh True dat. That changes everything LOL.

i use this
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or this
imagizer.imageshack.us

just depends on the gig, but i have been using mostly the sx these days

Why the two 62's?

you must be new here......

i actually had more, i'm what you call a gear whore.....

Same here. But I like to diversify a little in my acquisition. I have the:


Rane 64
DJM-900SRT
Rane SL4
DDJ-SZ
DDJ-SX
DDJ-SP1
CDJ-2000Nexus (x2)

& Numark NS7II is in the mail LOL

All for Serato DJ alone with COUNTLESS non Serato gear.............................. right there with ya!! www.facebook.com

Even with my sickness I don't think I would ever purchase two of the same anything (aside from CDJ's & TT's LOL) unless I had a purpose. Like I said I HAD two VCI-300 MKII's (which i got rid of both due to poor performance/quality) but I needed them along with my other gear that year as I was running 4 simultaneous parties a day that summer. Well me running one and I hired 3 other DJ's obviously LOL.

Me too but they only come out for high end performance gigs Watchwww.youtube.com

Cdj's are my primary setup i26.photobucket.com

And the VCI300 gets the small miscellaneous stuff but I still love it i26.photobucket.com

Each format has a distinct usage for me so I need them all but yall got me beat with the multiple setups and options.

Damn you Dave! Now I gotta buy something to match your NS7ii! :P

#gearwhoreunite

HA LOL. I went this past weekend to IDJNOW and I finally caved. Got it for $1300. Let's see if it changes anything for me though. I AM hopeful though.................... ;)

Oh yeah not from IDJNOW though LOL. Went with my usual store.

Since you all are gear whorin'

My current collection:
DJM909
Rane 62
Rane 64
1200mk2 1988-89
RP8000
VCI380
DDJSB
DDJSR
DDJSX
DDJSZ
DDJSP1
SC3900
Just recently sold my XDJR-R1
instagram.com

And where is this "secret" store you go to? ;)

Well Im a reformed whore, Haven't bought anything that wasn't required in bout 4 yrs.

I guess I am gonna have to go through storage afterall LOL.

No secret at all. PM me and I'll share. they just requested that I don't include their name when I give specific prices.

Just a side note on prices I got from them.


DJM-900SRT - $1899
Rane 64 - $1799
DJM-SP1 - Not allowed to say (LOL at that one)
DDJ-SZ - $1699


They DO NOT carry Rane products anymore so bad news there but you won't find Pioneer gear at better prices anywhere.

I don't have time to read all this but let me make something clear, I have NO issues with controllers that you ADD to a real DJ set up to take your skills even further... it's the "all in on" DJ boards (ddj, s4, ns6, vci ect.) that are corny to me. That Headspin video is sick but It wouldn't be as dope if he didn't have turntables. Four color zack is sick, Trentino.... sick, I have stood right next to Craze and watched him spin when he came to my club and he is sick. DJ's that use midi controllers in addition to turntables are the ones who are "evolving" and the ones who just use a controller are LAZY!

+1

PEW PEW PEW!!!!!!!


MORE PEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The way I see it, without turntables.... your left with a bunch of annoying cue point triggering and loop rolls lol.... Watchwww.youtube.com

Which.............. has its applications at times..... :-)

And I will challenge you guys... show me one video with someone who is strictly using a controller that is more entertaining than Trentino or FCC or Dynamix or Enferno or Craze or Shiftee ect.

FCZ***

Well maybe not more entertaining them me watching Craze...... but Araabmuzik when he does his live MPC button triggering finger banging beats live...... thats always good to watch.

Funny you should mention him, I'm opening for him on Monday night... I'll report back.

I agree :)

Nm

If I may ask...How you like the 900srt sound wise when comparing it to a 64?

Quoting for truth

nm

You beat me to it.

nm

Lolz

:-P

The 64 has the warmer Rane sound. The 64 also has the better feeling faders. The 64 ALSO has the dual USB. Other than those three the SRT beats it every way. I also use Traktor & Rekordbox so my SRT is a multi purpose beast. Don't get me wrong though. I LOVE my 64!!

Traktor Scratch?

I have only used it with Traktor Scratch once www.djtechtools.com but I have no actual need for scratch being I rarely use my TT's and regularly use my CDJ-2000Nexus's. I just did it to see if it works is pretty much where I am getting at. It did.

I can't however vouch for it's stability, reliability or whether it still works today but...................... well you get it I'm sure.

Good to know.

The SRT definitely has peeked my interest lately. That filter/effects combo is hard to deny. Even heard that the SRT's crossfader produces sharper cut-in then the stock Rane magnetics.

IMO It doesn't get any better ATM. Make NO mistake my Rane 64 is a beast BUT there is absolutely a reason why this single sound card (single USB) costs more than the dual sound card (dual USB) mixer.

Construc talks alot of crap but I agree with him a lot of the times but he always says what Im thinking

This is dope and I think the argument is not moving forward with the technology its people who do not take the time to learn the history of the turntable. I have midi in my setup too like most of us. I didnt learn on vinyl I learned on CDJs and went back to vinyl and it made me better. Anyways dope vid

You speak VERY differently. I completely agree with and I am sure the majority who disagreed with construk do too. Presentation is key here. Not saying he or I are better than anyone BUT there is NO DOUBT that learning the proper way will only better yourself. It also opens up your options by lifting a huge barrier. Kind of like learning to drive a manual transmission car. The best of the BEST car are manual (often times) and the same applies with mixers etc.

For example I would LOVE to see most of the dudes coming here today hop onto my Urei 1620 and 1200's. It would A.) humble them and give them a little lesson/reasoning for striving for more as well as B.) make me laugh LOL just teasing.

I started back on a controller 4 years ago, promptly went to turntables to learn the "manual" way (still with a computer though). I'm definitely better for it, and now I prefer using my Techs. I get bored with the DDJSX thats at my main gig, just too easy....

PERFECT EXAMPLE!! Are you a better person because you use TT's NO!! Are TT's Better NO! BUT you have your options now and to master both would be in your best interest just as Nicholy did. At least he can bust out his SX and get a full fledged gig up & running within minutes without needing the room (eg a hotel room party YEahhh!! LOL)

I prefer my CDJ's over any player BUT I have the options to use one of my controllers or even go old school with my TT's. I don't consider myself "elite" when doing any of the three. Although there is no doubt more flair, honor & interest in TT's & CDJ's. It's simply a matter of preference and the right tool for the job.

I look at it this way, you need to be able to play on pretty much whatever and still produce. There are times you will have to play on something other than what your most comfortable with.. best learn on different equipment TT/CDJ/Controller after a while, its all the same.. just have to figure out how to make it do what you need.

I played a club in NYC that had no crossfader 100% rotary I think it was bozak mixer. In any event I was able to mix on it, it took me a while to get used to queuing as its totally different.

I................. LOVE.............. Rotary!! A rotary kit for the 900SRT would be almost as welcomed as a new native SDJ rotary mixer altogether.

I don't agree with the manual transmission analogy at all.

Anyway, i would like to see some dope cutting with a rotary crossfader. :-P

nm

I sort of disagree but thats ok, there is no statistics that support any of our view points. Turntables instantly say DJ, when people see controllers...well you know the rest they make that face like ohhh thats what you are using for my party. And rarely do you see the same DJ rocking the controller the next week. Im not knocking controllers but I really think they look and sound unprofessional but thats my opinion.

Damn....

LOL I knew that would grab some attention. Just teasing I LOVE my TT's. For capabilities alone I prefer my CDJ's but do love my TT's all the same.



So you are saying you do think you're a better person for using TT's? I also hat to say but when you say "I am not knocking" but then go onto saying "they look and sound unprofessional" you kinda are knocking them. I mean it's your opinion......... I happen to agree BUT I have learned to embrace it all. You never know which way things are going to go and you don't want to be the last "honorable" dude in the room who refuses to let go.



Could you give me a little more? As in why not?

I would say that NOT knowing how to drive manual transmission WOULD be a hurdle or barrier as in there are some cars you will not be able to drive......................... kind of a fact.

I would also say NOT knowing how to beat match or properly use all the gear would be a hurdle or barrier as in there will be some hardware / software you will not be able to use.

I also feel some of the best cars are Manual just as some of the best gear is analog with NO beat SYNC available whatsoever.



It can be done BUT this is also an assumption that everyone cuts at all. This used to be a huge part of my set and my Rane MP2016 (with X fader kit) as well as Vestax mixers were the answer. My style/set has evolved over the years in relation to my customer/fanbase and other aspects have become more important. Like sound & capabilities. There are many DJ's (especially electronic) that would have almost no interest in cutting but need as many features/capabilities as possible.

What the older mixers offer that seems to be untouchable by today's standards is the sound. They don't HAVE to be rotary but it is pretty crazy how often rotary coincides with exceptional sound. Believe me I would be the first to admit if there was a mixer even remotely close in comparison to this sound but unfortunately it just isn't the case. When I bring up the evolving aspect THIS is the reason I feel NOW would be the best time for a proper rotary mixer with a native SDJ interface built it. Then again if the sound quality does not come with it there is almost no point to it................ for me at least.


SO in conclusion I now feel the need to ask:

DO THE REST OF YOU RESPONDING RIGHT NOW FEEL TURNTABLES & CDJ'S MAKE YOU A BETTER DJ?

This is not meant to be a mean question or incriminating. I have my opinions and I am curious as to others. This thread has run its course (due to time alone not content as I truly appreciated its intent & message LOL) so I felt this was the appropriate place to ask being we are on the topic anyways.

"You never know which way things are going to go and you don't want to be the last "honorable" dude in the room who refuses to let go."

That's just a strange way of saying things. I don't ever and have never bought any equipment thinking that I don't want to be the last one using it.... or the first one for that matter. It's not even a matter of honor.

nm

For record Ive owned controllers so its not like I have not tried them. Granted the last controller I owned was VCI and a Xponent (taking it back), Ive played full gigs on the SX and it was sub par outside of the ability to drum cue points which is cool but Ive learned the audience wants to hear the music and when we as DJs start messing with it too much while poeple are grooving and expecting to hear it a certain way and we go super filter bit crusher super looper on it....its kind of a buzz kill, but in some cases it does work. With that being said I dont think Im a better person cause I use TTs just a better DJ (lol) but their are waaaaaay more talented DJs than me but I think Im the best at what I do and I respect the rest for what they bring to art form, I just dont always like what they bring

How about we stop saying what things aren't and we start by saying how things are? So far I've gotten I'm wrong. Now let's hear why.

If you feel so inclined you can start with the first statement where I was wrong with the auto transmission but neglected to explain why even after being asked.

The reason I say the thing i do is because apparently some do feel this way. For some to say that controllers are not very professional in manner it implies that they consider Tt's to be a step above and more honorable, no?

"If you feel so inclined you can start with the first statement where I was wrong with the auto transmission but neglected to explain why even after being asked"

I don't know if that's directed at me or not... since I made a comment about it and I haven't read anything else.

Let's just say that I know plenty of people that have never touched a standard transmission and it doesn't, hasn't and won't affect their driving.

It's probably the opposite of what you're trying to say. If anything, standard transmission would hinder you more.

nm

Personally, yes. I prefer them over all-in-one-controllers. I have not yet tried out the DDJ-SZ, maybe that will change perception, maybe not... Also you need to factor that I came from a vinyl background, if I was starting these days, id would probably have a "controller background", and therefor might think otherwise.

I've had the DDJ-SX for little over a year, my other gear includes:
1210 mk2 (x2)
cdj1000mk3 (x2)
DJM900SRT
DDJ-SP
Dicers
DN1000S
and a few other general purpose midi's

The amount of control I have using a turntable, compared to the amount I have with my controller makes me a better DJ with turntables. My experience using turntables compared to my experience using a controller makes me a better DJ using turntables.
With a controller, I'm mostly just mixing and doing the minimum amount of work. With turntables I'm mixing, cutting and scratching and generally doing a lot more work as a DJ. So yeah, I am a better DJ when using turntables.

... and let's just say that since controllers have been made popular, I have never had one person say or ask why I'm not using controllers. Yet, I've seen plenty of DJ's get asked why they're using controllers and not turntables.

Also, I've had customers who have hired me because I'm using turntables. To them, that screams professional (vs a controller which they see it as a toy as do I).

nm

Really?
Auto transmission is more or less sync on a car IMO....

"DO THE REST OF YOU RESPONDING RIGHT NOW FEEL TURNTABLES & CDJ'S MAKE YOU A BETTER DJ?"

SKILLS make you a better DJ. Usually, DJ's who use turntables have the dedication and practice to do things that most DJ's who only use controllers don't have. Notice that people move to turntables to do things more creatively.... as oppose to people who move to controllers for ease of set up, so they won't break their backs (supposedly), etc.

nm

Perhaps... but driving and DJing isn't the same.

apples to oranges

nm

aren't

nm

"With a controller, I'm mostly just mixing and doing the minimum amount of work. With turntables I'm mixing, cutting and scratching and generally doing a lot more work as a DJ. So yeah, I am a better DJ when using turntables."

This is basically what I'm getting at.

nm

True, but you I just would totally disagree that a manual transmission hinder driving, that is if the person actually CAN drive a car. (Not being able to drive manual, is the same as not being able to dj without sync IMO.)

sorry about the typo, meant to say "True, but I just would totally disagree"

Exhibit b^^ lol

Again i happen to agree u just don't see this very often. There are two sides though remember that. Although I can say my main rigs are more powerful than my controllers this is only because I made sure of that. The. Again I went for best possible with both controllers and main. The capabilities pound for pound is substantially higher on my controllers being they are not quite as capable but they were by far cheaper only to be a only a little inferior IMO.

I dunno. All I do know is driving auto tranny is easier and djing with sync (as you often do with controllers but not always) is MUCH easier. I would think at least. In this sense they are the same. Better driver no but more capable as I will say once more someone who can drive both can drive pretty much any car. Someone who doesn't not know how can't. This part is a fact not an opinion. Furthermore someone who does not know how to beat match simply will not be able to Dj with an analog mixer and tt's or cdj's and a mixer. Take away their software an there are many that wouldn't be able to do anything at all other than play a tune the. Switch over to another tune........... iF they can figure out how! Lol jk I'm sure they would figure it out eventually.

I guess this is a dead subject anyways I was just curious to see if the general attitude has changed. To my surprise it seemingly has thus far. I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree with you guys. I honestly do feel more "elite" so to speak and definitely more in control with my main rigs than my controllers.

Again, apples and oranges. There's NO NEED to drive a standard car. None. There are millions of people who have never and will never learn how to drive one. This is why I say apples to oranges. They will still be able to drive.

nm

Well, that's because the control with a turntable vs a controller is actually better. I'm not saying that controllers can't eventually go there...

Right now, they're just not.

nm

In the US, NO, in the rest of the world YES...
In most european countries, if you're not able to drive a manual, you're not really considered a driver, and likely frowned upon. It will present issues if you wanna rent a car, as most cars are in fact manuals.

There are millions of people who have never and will never learn how to mix on beat too...
and still some of them become well payed "dj's" - sad, but true...

Same thing with the manual gear, on a auto, there is "just so much" you can do...
Actually think this analogy is right on point.

I disagree.

And we can go on and on.... but I choose not to.

:)

nm

apples vs oranges

nm

This sounds like a very limited life. My BEST cars have all been standard. Not to mention driving a manual transmission car is simply more fun.................... sound familiar? This is in no way apples to oranges. They will only be able to drive what they have NOT ALL CARS. Again NOT an opinion. If I have a car that is standard I don't care what you say if you don't know how to drive manual nothing BUT learning it will help you. Same goes for manual DJing.


As a matter of fact this concept is 100% true for both so I am not sure where the opinions are.

Unless you are saying:

Someone who can't drive manual Can drive ALL cars.
&
Someone who can't beat match CAN DJ on all hardware.

That's all good sixx, lets agree to disagree.

Might boil down to me being european, and you being american,
different automotive culture...

Probably - which would definitely make it not apply here since DJing is pretty much universal.

nm

"This sounds like a very limited life. My BEST cars have all been standard. Not to mention driving a manual transmission car is simply more fun.................... sound familiar?"

I don't know... girls can't give blowjobs if you gotta switch gears. Definitely would take the fun out of driving. lol :P

nm

Btw, standard transmission cars are cheaper than automatic - so in a sense, people are just choosing transmission not because they think it's more fun but because they're trying to save money. Sound familar? :P

nm

Wrong...

Wrong again...

Here in the US every standard car is always cheaper. No wonder we can't agree.

lol

nm

Definitely NOT a culture barrier being I am an American and am the one who came up with it.



BTW this the THE MOST flawed statement I have sen yet being IF something is universal then it is the same everywhere. IF something stands in one place then it MUST stand everywhere to be universal.

geez so much debate... DJ an turntables are always the best and that is the bottom line, anything else is bs. Thread over

dj's on turntables**

There you go. I agree. lol

nm

Yup, absolutely agree :D - LOL

LOL OK I agree with EVERY person BUT this guy^^ Not sure if it's his ignorance or arrogance. What does that even mean "DJ an turntables"

I mean I agree on the point BUT this guy makes it sound so bad I want to disagree. I would choose my CDJ's & TT's over any controller any day of the week BUT this is for me. This is by no means gospel and in NO WAY the standard for everyone. If this was the case there would be no room for the likes of many talented (and relevant) DJ's who are currently filling stadiums & nightclubs today.

Bottom line TT's are best for you IF you prefer them. You don't get to decide what is best for everyone anymore than I do.

It was obviously a typo, I must say I've never seen you here before but you take the cake for the most boring on these forums by far. When I saw this thread moving so fast I thought it would be wild in here but it's just you going on and on.





+1

The joke about all this is controller guys are always trying to make turntable users feel as if they're behind the times, limiting themselves and so much other nonsense. Who are you trying to convince, us or yourselves?

If you're so great and advanced then be advanced and STFU about it, let your DJing speak for itself vs. going on so much about it.

Boring maybe but then again I try portray my opinions without outrageous claims one way or the other. I don't try to be exciting I try to be accurate. I'm also not here for your entertainment so no loss there. Sorry to let you down though.

I also made the observation that this topic has for once swayed in the opposite direction and it is the TT & CDJ guys (myself included) who are doing the talking Not the other way around. May I ask where this "controller guys trying to make turntable users feel as if they're behind the times, limiting themselves and so much other nonsense" is happening here? I flat out said that controllers limit you NOT the other way around so I hope you are not speaking of me there..................... only that I am boring.

Where is anyone saying that controllers are better here?

He didn't say that. He said that controllerist usually say we are behind the times and not advancing which is actually the opposite.

nm

I completely agree with both of those statements which is why I found this whole thread refreshing. For the most part everyone here is saying the opposite which is at least what I am getting out of this. Just like you said it is usually the other way around. THIS is why I was appreciating the majority of the comments here as it is one of the first where the majority is in agreement with my position on the topic. The only one I can't agree with is construk and this is strictly because of how it is being said. I absolutely feel he has the skill (you can usually tell just by hearing ones ideals & concepts) I just feel he leaves no room for the other side at ALL is all I am trying to say. I mean if there was NO use for controllers then they would have no success with respectable DJ's at all.


Whatever as I said already this is a pretty dead issue and I suppose it has run its course.

I asked if using TT's or CDJ's make you a better DJ an I got my answer. Actually even better than i expected tbh.

A lot of people assume Im Pro controller and anti Turntable because of some of the threads I post but those are also the same ones that don't truly READ the topic at hand. Some people get so caught up that they don't realize the whole idea was to spark discussion....

I'll say it one more time... show me a video with someone just on a controller who is more entertaining than the top performance DJ's out there who use turntables

Watchwww.youtube.com had my attention a while back. While he's NOT my favorite he NEVER uses platters let alone TT's and THIS video alone earned over 25 million views. There should be some room for tastes too. Define entertaining & for who. Scratching itself just isn't as appealing as it used to be. I still love it (when done properly) but there are many situations where it simply does NOT fit and is not the definition of entertainment. Again I agree with you for the most part BUT there are those who would consider your music garbage. Does that make them right? I wouldn't think so. It just isn't that simple is all I am saying.

May I ask who your idea of the top performer with TT's is?

We don't believe you. You need more people.

nm

Ha

Here's how you can tell which performance is more entertaining. Take the same DJ performing on both a controller and a turntable and the performance using turntables wins. I believe NI has posted quite a few videos on their website and Serato too. Once they start pushing buttons and not touching the turntable, everything goes downhill.

nm

Yup

Also, I will tell you why. There is only one way to press a button. There are hundreds of ways of manipulating a turntable.

Why does this sound like 100% opinion. I mean what are you basing this on? Are you leaving room for the other side or is this fact simply because you say so? You literally have me agreeing with you but then you say things like this..................





May I ask who your idea of the top performer with TT's is?

Actually don't even bother i am now seeing I am trying to reason with the unreasonable. already know these are nothing but opinions yet am asking if this is the case LOL. You absolutely have the right to opinions and even voicing them but passing these opinions as fact is a little "off" and has been a growing plaque as of lately on these forums. I may be boring at times BUT I try to speak for all and I don't hold my opinions over anyone else's. There's always another side to the story. Just try to remember that....................... or not.


end tracking.

You must be new. When those videos got posted, the majority has said something to the effect. So, not just my opinion but that of my peers.

nm

this guy here is pretty entertaining on the cut
Watchwww.youtube.com

This guy is quite entertaining and all he uses is a laptop....lol
Watchwww.youtube.com

^^ and he is getting paid

<jealous>

no........

the first video which was one of your post also, dude has skill cutin on the vci

the second i don't know what that was......lol

and proly got more bitchesss than all of us....lol
Watchwww.youtube.com

But I cant front dude puts on a great fuckin show

Yea I no, dude is sick on that lil ass vci300

None of these videos posted are even close to the level of the guys I mentioned earlier in this thread. The best video posted so far in this thread was the Headspin one and he is using turntables so my point stands true

But what you're not getting is that your challenge is based on your rules + opinion therefore there is no right or wrong answer.......so if you want your point to stand true so be it....lol

If turntables are a major tenet of one's DJ religion, then obviously nothing else is gonna stack up... ever. lol

Performance aside, when dude walks up to switch you out at the end of your TT set with a controller in his right hand and computer in the other...with zero muscle strain, it looks pretty wack. Granted, "getting the job done" is the main goal...but I could see why certain promoters/owners would look at TT DJs as more "refined" or "professional."

I have a few questions though, is there any gap in terms of who gets paid more at gigs (TT vs. Controller)? Are there promoters/owners that pay a premium for TT DJs?

Some promoters still have some dignity right? haha

controllers are not club standards (yet) so I would say TT / CDJ djs get paid more by default.
they exist but it aint many left....

They do?
Where?!?

Lol

Hold up...
Let me refine my post.

Some promoters still have dignity. They just lack ethics.

After laboring through this thread it really amazes me that the Denons are not the club standard. All of the benefits of TTs without the hassles of broken needles, worn & warped records, skipping, etc... Personally, I don't care for the Pioneer products - CDJs to me are boring and nothing like a turntable. CDJs are no different than any other controller out there - a non spinning platter and buttons to push. I am not a scratcher but I still prefer my Denons over anything other than real turntables. I use then the same way as Technics - hit the start button to start the platter, then mix by scratching the record in. I do like all the new technology and the creativity it offers with looping, beat juggling, efx, samples, etc... but I still want those spinning platters. Of course playing in clubs these days pretty much means you have to be Pioneer capable, to the point I will probably spring for an SZ this year to make it easier to work with other DJs but I'm really hoping Denon gets it together under it's new ownership and does what it needs to and show how awesome their spinning platter controllers are.

^ I've always wanted to try them as they seem like the perfect compramise between TT and CDJ/Controllers. I love my 62 as a mixer. $900 seems a bit steep to test them out. I realize the cost to do so maybe too high, but a basic, no frills spinning platter 10" table like the v7 would be nice. No needles, warped vinyl, just the familiar feel..

If it doesnt have a tonearm, it is a controller! You aint a real DJ!!

It is the truth. Facts can be found in these loco threads :)

guess it's time to hang it up....

It's all about that vinyl....Serato is for cheezers. =P

Belts is for punks...switches is whats real.

QFT

nm

you do know that DJ_X_Trodinaire owns every single pioneer controller out there right? along with a vestax vci

QFT

QFT

www.youtube.com

Yes. You do know that I know his sense of humor since I've been on the forums since before you were born. Right? lol

nm

QFR
(quoting for wrongfulness)

you do know that i have grandkids right?

I've been on the forum for 200 years. So yeah. That works.

nm

200 years?

you must be a grand master

dj grand master 6 aka sixxx......scratch that 200 years you sir are a grand wizard

grand wizard 6 aka sixxx adore, not to be confused with grand wizard theodore

lol

nm

Quoted for the MUHFUGGHIN' TROOF!!!!

Btw, grand kids at the age of 40 isn't a good look. :-P

nm

40? I thought dude was well into his Fiddies....

Joee, lemmie find out.....

you right it's not a good look, it's a great look


my daughters were 18 high school grads when they got pregnant .....i'm not mad, it's a great look



40's bra......

fresh outta tha gate! false start...

lol

nm

"my daughters were 18 high school grads when they got pregnant "


I rest my case

nm

by the time you have grandkids thats just what you'll be doing

resting, you'll be a tired old man with no energy falling asleep in a chair.......

me i like being young with grandkids, enjoying life with them and having pleany of energy to do so

FYI, one of those 18 year old pregnant girls will be graduating collage this year, if all goes well for her she will be the owner of her own business in 2 years ;)

So, basically by the time you're 55ish, you could theoretically have GREAT Grandkids.....

yep

Friend of mine - 50yo with grandkids.

actually, I dont think hes 50 yet

Whatever makes you sleep better at night...

nm

i don't know about everyone else but i sleep pretty good on a KINGSDOWN pillow top matters,it's VERY comfortable
kingsdown.com

www.dailymail.co.uk

damn.....lol

Just following their parents' fucked up examples. Sound familiar?

nm

i wouldn't know,i'm doing very well my kids are doing well and there kids are doing well

give them a few years and they'll be very very well!


my kids didn't follow my example! they did better than me! i never went to collage

life is good, house is good car is good bank account is good my grandkids collage saver account is good, i'm loving life!

what more could i ask for in life?

"i never went to collage"

I rest my case.

nm

you being very sarcastic but have nothing of meaning to say


but ay what are we to expect from the one and only sixxx? nothing new there

FYI

when i typed in sixxx the spell correct on my macbook pro wanted to call you "di***" man mac's be on point.........spell correct just knows who i'm talking two

Don't be upset because you lack education. That isn't my fault.

Have a nice day. :-)

nm

sarcasm what a surprise

i'm not upset just pointing out that a mac knows more than you :-)

i do lack a collaged education, but i do own my own business & i'm doing quite well for my self

i really can't complain i have everything i ever wanted and then some, wife is happy kids are happy grandkids are happy & everyone is quite comfortable

again i ask what more can a man ask for in life?

why don't you try to answer that question without your all to familiar sarcasm?

You two need to exchange numbers so yall can talk about the weird shit the two of you like to talk about Privately......

family is not weird


a grown man worrying at what age i have kids/grandkids thats weird

this whole thread has gotten weird Im checking out

this is to be expected

sixxx is just doing his usual trolling/derailing

Public forum. Don't like it? Don't read it


nm

Worrying. lmao


Oh yeah. I'm sooooo worried.


lmao

Just making an observation. That's all.
It's not my fault you feel you need to defend yourself. I wonder why?

lol

;-)

nm

Of course you'd like to think so.

:-)

nm

the last three post say it all, just look at his avatar lined up 3 times in a row


YOU ARE EVIL ..........


EVILLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO NM

i found a pic of 6

www.listal.com

6 is that you? you weren't lying when you said you were 200 years old!

lol

nm

Well, no. That's one of my disciples... inside her anyway.

No. Not in that way, perv.

lol

nm

you sir need jesus in you're life
www.divinerevelations.info

My lawn is fine. Thanks

:P

nm

content7.flixster.com

<facepalm>

LMAO.

Haha ;)

Thread relevance to children:
Chlidren = Backup ? (if so, don't sell them... ;))

that would be funny, but

i'm not grumpy, i'm actually very happy"because I'm happy"
Watchwww.youtube.com