Twitch fader effects issues

DJSergius 9:07 PM - 5 September, 2013

Hello. Since installing Serato DJ to use with my Novation Twitch controller the way fader effects works is very awkward.

In Itch fader effects with twitch would consist of activating the effect, lower fader position on channel to adjust wet/dry for selected effect, deactivate effect and volume for that channel returned to what was previously set until fader returns to that postition, then control volume.

With DJ fader effects work differently. Select channel output, activate effect, lower fader position to adjust wet/dry, deactivate effect and volume snaps to new fader position. Then if effect is reactivated no control is gained until fader is moved then it snaps to fader position for wet/dry mix.

This is confusing and awkward. Fader effects in Itch were great and one of my favorite things to use. I love the select output for effects but I would like similar functionality to Itch returned to Twitch for the fader effects. Like the volume save and control of the wet/dry mix while the effect is not active.

I still use Itch for performance and I love the new features in DJ for gigs. This one issue however is preventing me from using it in performance to its fullest.

Please let me know if this can be patched in a future update and thank you all for producing good products and software.

DJWT 4:45 PM - 6 September, 2013

Me too!!!

can we get that at 1.5 ??

revd 5:49 PM - 9 September, 2013

Yes me too. This is a real backward step. Hope Serato get it fixed.

MrChippa 8:20 AM - 10 September, 2013

Me too! I thought more people would notice this.

It used to be one of my favourite features, now it's really un-usable and is a big step back from how it used to work.

For the rest I'm loving Serato DJ!

VlabMichl 5:31 AM - 11 September, 2013

I vote also for getting back the "old" ITCH behaviour of the FX-slider.
...was more intuitive to use - more straightforward...

Mr Wilks 9:01 PM - 11 September, 2013

It's the first thing I noticed when using the FX but just thought it was by design.

I now think it's a bug (or at least a glaring omission).

Mixmachine 9:32 AM - 12 September, 2013

Was testing this and I see what the OP describes, seems like de-activating (Off) the FX in any wet/dry setting creates all kinds of weird behaviors, like stuck last effect volume that after re activating is enabled even with slider all the way up...

Never noticed because I only activate/deactivate FX at full VOL and leave it ON for the duration of the track (in case I want to use it again), as I have not found any need to deactivate with sliders in wet/dry settings.

Karl Y 11:00 AM - 20 September, 2013

Hi all,

the fader effects not having what we call a "pick up function" in Serato DJ is a known bug. It's been logged and hopefully we will have a fix in a future version

Cheers

Karl Y

DJSergius 3:57 AM - 5 February, 2014

Hello all.

The fader effect "pick up funtion" is still a very froward issue to myself and as I would believe, most Twitch users. The fader effect workflow in ITCH was ideal and alowed for very unique effect combinations that made using the software and controller fun and simple. As much as I love the features in Serato DJ this continuing issue has stopped me from even using my gear and is close to driving me away from Serato software all together. As of S-DJ 1.6.0 the only bug fix Twitch users will benefit from is a button lighting fix. Unless it was omited from the relese notes the "pick up funtion" issue is still a problem. They way it seems Serato has presented the "pick up" issue is that it is a software problem not entirely related to the Twitch controler. If that is so then why has it not been fixed for everyone already? S-DJ has been updated three times since Oct 2013 and this has still not been fixed to my knowledge.

Please, please, pelase fix this issue so that Serato users can once again have fun with the software they purchased.

MrChippa 3:52 PM - 5 February, 2014

Dissapointed to hear it is not fixed yet. I can only use two of the three effects in multi FX mode and not all parameters in single mode.
The only safe way I found to work around this is turning the FX deck/ master selection off, then you can bring the effects back to zero without having volume issues.
I know Serato you have been busy but please fix this ASAP. This was one of the selling points of the twitch/itch combo!

life is complex beats 11:31 PM - 5 February, 2014

Bump!

Karl Y 10:15 AM - 10 February, 2014

Hi all,

yes sorry, this is still on the list, but i don't have any information more specific at this stage, unfortunately.

Regards

Karl

Kitch Lorraine 10:19 AM - 10 February, 2014

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Dissapointed to hear it is not fixed yet. I can only use two of the three effects in multi FX mode and not all parameters in single mode.

I'm dissapointed to. This restriction makes it almost impossible to use the effects with the "native mapping" from serato. you have to map them to additional hardware like an LPD8.

Mr Wilks 1:59 PM - 10 February, 2014

I'll be honest here Karl and say there is still about 10 outstanding issues on the Twitch that came into play with 1.3 and they still need addressing.

Fader FX not soft picking up/Button lighting on grid and swipe mode/faulty AUX input all need addressing but aren't a priority so every time I get out my unit (which gets used 7 days a week for gigs) it feels like an incomplete device.

Makes me sad in a way as it's the poor mapping that is driving me away from this unit. Honestly, you've made me fall out of love with it!

I used to use my Twitch with Scratch Live as a controller (like an SP1) but now I can't.

I just wish my beloved Twitch was as complete as it was in Itch :(

Mr Wilks 2:04 PM - 10 February, 2014

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Dissapointed to hear it is not fixed yet. I can only use two of the three effects in multi FX mode and not all parameters in single mode.

I'm dissapointed to. This restriction makes it almost impossible to use the effects with the "native mapping" from serato. you have to map them to additional hardware like an LPD8.

One of my biggest frustrations is the doubling up of the FX time rotary.

It's available in the top left FX section and also doubled up just above the channel fader. This shouldn't have been the case. Why not keep this rotary above the channel fader as it's original function of FX select? The timing rotary was good where it was and now feel like you've over complicated something.

This should be put back along with the soft pickup of the fader.

rev d 8:25 PM - 10 February, 2014

I'll also vote for the fader fx to be fixed. It's a real problem in day to day use. Luckily I have an ipad and have started to use the remote app instead for effects, cos I do not find the other fx controls intuitive at all.

Kitch Lorraine 11:55 AM - 11 February, 2014

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One of my biggest frustrations is the doubling up of the FX time rotary.

It's available in the top left FX section and also doubled up just above the channel fader. This shouldn't have been the case. Why not keep this rotary above the channel fader as it's original function of FX select? The timing rotary was good where it was and now feel like you've over complicated something.

This should be put back along with the soft pickup of the fader.

100% agree!

sudo 6:37 PM - 18 February, 2014

The way the effects function on the Twitch has been a long-standing problem and absolutely nothing has been done to resolve it. You simply cannot control the effects during a live performance the way the current mapping expects you to, and the failure of the pickup feature (while the most obvious fault) isn't the worst of it.

We'll leave aside the lack of dotted beat settings in multi FX mode - an issue that affects every controller, not just ours.

Wizzu 10:28 PM - 19 February, 2014

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I'll be honest here Karl and say there is still about 10 outstanding issues on the Twitch that came into play with 1.3 and they still need addressing.

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Makes me sad in a way as it's the poor mapping that is driving me away from this unit. Honestly, you've made me fall out of love with it!

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I just wish my beloved Twitch was as complete as it was in Itch :(

+1'000'000'000!

They really messed up and changed too many things, feels like a big step back with the Twitch. The controller/software interaction was PERFECT with Itch 2.2.2. Why, why, why change so many things? Just for the sake of doing new things? OK new is cool, but don't try and fix something that's not broken in the first place... this is NOT cool!

SDJ 1.6 is great with the DDJ-SX, though. I'm having lots of fun with it. I love SDJ. As long as I don't plug my Twitch. :-(

As previously said, to DJ with the Twitch, I stick with Itch. No way I can DJ properly with Twitch/SDJ. It's awkward and feels like the controller is a poorly though-out one. For me the worst thing is the touchstrip sensitivity, but to each his own.

Mr Wilks 6:54 PM - 20 February, 2014

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They really messed up and changed too many things, feels like a big step back with the Twitch. The controller/software interaction was PERFECT with Itch 2.2.2. Why, why, why change so many things? Just for the sake of doing new things? OK new is cool, but don't try and fix something that's not broken in the first place... this is NOT cool!

SDJ 1.6 is great with the DDJ-SX, though. I'm having lots of fun with it. I love SDJ. As long as I don't plug my Twitch. :-(

As previously said, to DJ with the Twitch, I stick with Itch. No way I can DJ properly with Twitch/SDJ. It's awkward and feels like the controller is a poorly though-out one. For me the worst thing is the touchstrip sensitivity, but to each his own.

Amen to that.

Things have been changed just for the sake of it. The addition of P'NT now makes me stick with an awful mapping. Grrrr.

viper9711 4:54 PM - 22 February, 2014

6 month without a fix and information when we get the fader-FX-Bug fix- that´s more than hard..
I dont´t understand why Serato don´t fix it in the 1.6 Version-it seems Twitch users are less importend...

andretti 9:53 AM - 26 February, 2014

I was so happy to be able to do a free upgrade from Itch to DJ and I generally like DJ a lot, but I find the whole experience with effects disappointing. Now off course the Twitch wasn't designed for DJ, but with some logic and attention it must be possible to get a better mapping
and useability for the effects on Twitch!?

Mr Wilks 11:03 AM - 26 February, 2014

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I was so happy to be able to do a free upgrade from Itch to DJ and I generally like DJ a lot, but I find the whole experience with effects disappointing. Now off course the Twitch wasn't designed for DJ, but with some logic and attention it must be possible to get a better mapping
and useability for the effects on Twitch!?

Amen brother!

7:01 AM, 13 Mar 2014

This help request has been closed due to inactivity.

DJSergius 1:43 AM - 12 September, 2014

Please Fix the fader effect pick-up.
It has been 1 YEAR!
All TWITCH owners are agreed that the current funtions of S-DJ 1.7 are still broken.
Fix the Twitch now please.
We are tired of waiting.

rev d 9:40 AM - 12 September, 2014

@DJSergius - agreed. Come on Serato, make us happy.

vasenpolvi 9:12 PM - 1 October, 2014

Speaking of the fader FX issue anniversary, I too break the silence. Been reading your mails regularly from the start. I guess every vote counts. A Serato guy (i.e. Karl) said in a recent fb clip they listen to the users and if there is enough of them they fix problems. In a way they just said we do not yet add up. Wake up the sleepers!!!

Please add my vote to fix these issues. I have moved to IOS re live performances but would love to return to twitch

viper9711 11:45 PM - 4 October, 2014

It's very sad that we've got no answer from Serato.
When will the fader pick up will be fixed??

andretti 6:27 PM - 5 October, 2014

Serato was doing a bad job, giving empty answers for a long time. Things seemed to be going in the right direction with a tech guy stepping in, but all is quiet again, and has been for a while..

andretti 6:33 PM - 5 October, 2014

Mea Culpa!

I haven't been around for a while, because of the lack of movement, but I see in other posts there is communication again..

rev d 7:26 PM - 5 October, 2014

"8:01 AM, 13 Mar 2014
This help request has been closed due to inactivity."

Sums it up really. Inactivity by serato!

andretti 7:29 PM - 5 October, 2014

There is some action over here: serato.com

andretti 8:03 PM - 5 October, 2014

Thanks Rev d for hopping over to the other thread.
Please anyone reading this thread take the time to support the suggested changes regarding fader FX and FX in general: serato.com

rev d 11:01 PM - 5 October, 2014

Thanks for pointing it out Andretti!

clearblu 10:13 AM - 7 October, 2014

I'm easy going and will support the most logical suggested mapping.
I'm just happy that I can mix using the touchstrips 😊

rev d 10:24 AM - 7 October, 2014

Clearblu please add your support to the other thread that is being monitored by Serato. It is here serato.com

sudo 8:24 AM - 20 December, 2014

I gave up and bought a Vestax VFX-1. Now I'm happy again.

andretti 12:05 PM - 20 December, 2014

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I gave up and bought a Vestax VFX-1. Now I'm happy again.

If they are just going forward without looking back the should say so :-(

sudo 12:34 PM - 20 December, 2014

What I've noticed (it's not just the Twitch) is that outright bugs are usually squashed eventually, but complaints about the mappings are never, ever fixed, no matter how much everyone agrees that the mappings are busted.

So yeah it looks kind of silly but I added an accessory controller for FX and now I at least have control over two FX slots. It's not ideal and it means carrying an additional thing, but it works. I also thought about getting the Akai LPD-8 but settled on the VFX-1, right tool for the right job.

rev d 12:37 PM - 20 December, 2014

Amazon reviews say the VFX doesn't work with DJ and is best with Twitch. Is that right?

rev d 12:38 PM - 20 December, 2014

Sorry I meant Itch not Twitch

sudo 12:40 PM - 20 December, 2014

Seems to work fine for me. Some of the labels aren't correct any more, and the 1/6 beat pattern doesn't work since DJ doesn't have it, but as long as both FX units are in single-FX mode it seems to be good. I rarely use chained FX anyway so it's good for my purposes.

andretti 11:47 PM - 20 December, 2014

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What I've noticed (it's not just the Twitch) is that outright bugs are usually squashed eventually.