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Namm 2013

Code:E 7:48 AM - 17 January, 2013
I know its a week away. But i'm sure some tech will come out in the couple days before. So if you see anything cool come out or teasers for new products coming please post the link. :)
Code:E 6:18 PM - 17 January, 2013
instagram.com Stuff From Numark
instagram.com and Akai
Code:E 6:02 PM - 18 January, 2013
XRM5 8:34 PM - 18 January, 2013
Something from Serato too apparently:

serato.com
Code:E 11:06 PM - 18 January, 2013
There not doing a very good job of building hype around it.
danielthewave 9:42 AM - 19 January, 2013
the pioneer pic looks like they bring out a controller/cdj with DDJ-SX style platters that is capable of rockin' rekordbox (insert hype here)
djcrap 10:17 AM - 19 January, 2013
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There not doing a very good job of building hype around it.


Smsh interms of scratchlive features and stability the hype as been long gone!!!!!!!! in the past two years cause serato can no longer deliver!!!!!!!!!!! and it has come to settle in as a reality to costumers. where by features also disappear from new versions. and updates.
Code:E 7:00 PM - 19 January, 2013
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the pioneer pic looks like they bring out a controller/cdj with DDJ-SX style platters that is capable of rockin' rekordbox (insert hype here)

What pic?
ontime1269 9:31 PM - 19 January, 2013
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www.facebook.com pioneer


The one you posted a link to......DUH!.......LOL!!!
haze324 10:56 PM - 19 January, 2013
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the pioneer pic looks like they bring out a controller/cdj with DDJ-SX style platters that is capable of rockin' rekordbox (insert hype here)


Nope. It's limited edition "chrome" gear. CDJ, DJM and RMX.

They usually do this in white, this time it was chrome.
DJ Stoyvo 10:59 PM - 19 January, 2013
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There not doing a very good job of building hype around it.


Smsh interms of scratchlive features and stability the hype as been long gone!!!!!!!! in the past two years cause serato can no longer deliver!!!!!!!!!!! and it has come to settle in as a reality to costumers. where by features also disappear from new versions. and updates.


Uhh... The Bridge? I rock parties with it all the time! By far the best feature, I use it more than I use the DJ FX... And I only spin top40, some EDM, and mainstream hiphop. It's not just for those 10 minute long progressive house tracks
Code:E 11:36 PM - 19 January, 2013
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www.facebook.com pioneer


The one you posted a link to......DUH!.......LOL!!!

Oops... babahahahaha. Not sure why i posted that pic. It looks like a muchup of all there current products and nothing new.
danielthewave 6:03 PM - 22 January, 2013
NI will present a iPad app .. (see their fb site)
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:09 PM - 22 January, 2013
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There not doing a very good job of building hype around it.



I persinally think its because they know itll cause a stir.....alot of rumors about the merging of dj and scratchlive goin around
XRM5 9:25 PM - 22 January, 2013
I know all the NAMM hype hasn't even hit yet, but this will probably be the video of the week for me:

Watchwww.youtube.com

New Moog synth in track by Flying Lotus & animation by Lilfuchs.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 6:29 PM - 23 January, 2013
Code:E 6:57 PM - 23 January, 2013

Awesome!
danielthewave 7:08 PM - 23 January, 2013
can anyone explain the usefullness of the orbit to me?
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:14 PM - 23 January, 2013
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can anyone explain the usefullness of the orbit to me?

To keep infants occupied on long car trips
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:15 PM - 23 January, 2013
lol
jprime 7:25 PM - 23 January, 2013
yeah that orbit looks whacktastic
DJ ENUF 7:29 PM - 23 January, 2013
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can anyone explain the usefullness of the orbit to me?
ultimate hipster belt buckle?
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:39 PM - 23 January, 2013
lol
danielthewave 7:51 PM - 23 January, 2013
i've seen a lot gadgets and i would consider myself as technically openminded, i've read a lot of bezzle in this forum but this thing called orbit is more like a toys'r'usitc-steve-urkle thing....
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:55 PM - 23 January, 2013
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i've read a lot of bezzle in this forum..



ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
phatbob 7:57 PM - 23 January, 2013
16 RGB pads and large endless rotary with LED feedback. 4 banks. $99.

What's not to like?

You don't HAVE to wear it on your arm, you know. You can just put it down...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:04 PM - 23 January, 2013
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16 RGB pads and large endless rotary with LED feedback. 4 banks. $99.

What's not to like?

You don't HAVE to wear it on your arm, you know. You can just put it down...

I think itd be pretty bad ass as a midi controller for fx n stuff
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:09 PM - 23 January, 2013
monchi 8:19 PM - 23 January, 2013
Watchwww.youtube.com

Numark better than Pioneer?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:22 PM - 23 January, 2013
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Watchwww.youtube.com

Numark better than Pioneer?

Yes
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:22 PM - 23 January, 2013
Wait i mean no lol
Mr. Goodkat 8:33 PM - 23 January, 2013
nothing more grating that a when spokesman says, 'you can really get crazy'.
Nicky Blunt 8:34 PM - 23 January, 2013
any chance @ all that they have listened to their customer base & finally are goling to bring out a empath sl version? They aint even making a three channel solution anymore!!!
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:34 PM - 23 January, 2013
the one thing i like about the numark that I think pioneer really missed the boat on was a dedicated Mic input. the NS72 has it while the SX doesnt.
blackavenger 8:45 PM - 23 January, 2013

IDK, I think that will be cool for LivePA Stage Performance.
monchi 8:45 PM - 23 January, 2013
Controllers making $$$$$$$$$ for companies> 3 channel mixers!
DjWoody 8:46 PM - 23 January, 2013
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NI will present a iPad app .. (see their fb site)


NI doesn't do trade shows. They'll probably announce it around the same time though but I doubt it will be at NAMM.
monchi 8:47 PM - 23 January, 2013
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Controllers making $$$$$$$$$ for companies> 3 channel mixers!


Controllers making $$$$$$$$$ for companies> 3 channel mixers!
monchi 8:48 PM - 23 January, 2013
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any chance @ all that they have listened to their customer base & finally are goling to bring out a empath sl version? They aint even making a three channel solution anymore!!!



FUGGGGGG sorry meant to quote this here
wardie 9:05 PM - 23 January, 2013
NS7 II looks like a candy colored version of the SX. Guess the beat pads are going to be on every controller in this range now (w/ good reason).

Def psyched to see one in person but based on the video above, seems like it's more catch up to the SX than it is innovative, which isn't nec. a bad thing. Also bet the dedicated mic channel works like a champ...
wardie 9:13 PM - 23 January, 2013
My bad, they did add some innovation (maybe a gimmick??), the mixer knobs are 'capacitive touch sensitive', hmmm, def interested to see what that's all about/can do.
blackavenger 9:14 PM - 23 January, 2013
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seems like it's more catch up to the SX than it is innovative

Not sure about that.........Capacitive EQs?!!!!?
That's pretty innovative!!
blackavenger 9:14 PM - 23 January, 2013
Hahaha
Code:E 9:42 PM - 23 January, 2013
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16 RGB pads and large endless rotary with LED feedback. 4 banks. $99.

What's not to like?

You don't HAVE to wear it on your arm, you know. You can just put it down...


+1 I'm glad someone came out with with an totally out of the box forum factor control. its something that has been missing for a while when it comes to products from the big name companies.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:44 PM - 23 January, 2013
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seems like it's more catch up to the SX than it is innovative

Not sure about that.........Capacitive EQs?!!!!?
That's pretty innovative!!

Im a dumb southerner can someone explain what the hell that means?!
StreetFighta 10:13 PM - 23 January, 2013
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seems like it's more catch up to the SX than it is innovative

Not sure about that.........Capacitive EQs?!!!!?
That's pretty innovative!!

Im a dumb southerner can someone explain what the hell that means?!


the knobs use the electrical charge in your body to know when you're touching them, allowing for another level of control
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:20 PM - 23 January, 2013
I dont get it? A normal knob knows when you touch it lol??? I just dont get it. So what if it knows you have touched it? Does it flash touched bass knob channel one! Lol defo need to see what the hell this means!
Eric N 10:24 PM - 23 January, 2013
It means that you could, in theory, assign kills to each knob. Then, you could just tap the top of the knobs for momentary kill without actually changing the knob position... which could be kinda cool to watch from a performance/visual angle.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:29 PM - 23 January, 2013
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I dont get it? A normal knob knows when you touch it lol??? I just dont get it. So what if it knows you have touched it? Does it flash touched bass knob channel one! Lol defo need to see what the hell this means!



It means if you dj so bad the knob can file sexual harrasment charges against you

I wonder if the knob will know when someones pretending to twist it hard and compensate
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:30 PM - 23 January, 2013
Ok gotcha!! Now that makes sence!
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:30 PM - 23 January, 2013
Is anyone else annoyed that the volume meters are all red
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:31 PM - 23 January, 2013
Yes they look abit pink/red in the pics. Seems strange. But nice rgb pads
blackavenger 10:35 PM - 23 January, 2013
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Is anyone else annoyed that the volume meters are all red

yes!
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:50 PM - 23 January, 2013
Just had another look at pics there Pink then one red and two white. Or at least thats how it looks in pic
Will08272 11:20 PM - 23 January, 2013
I would like atleast a small teaser from serato. Cmon guys the events only 18 hours away.
jprime 11:25 PM - 23 January, 2013
lol the suspense!
Eric N 11:32 PM - 23 January, 2013
I just hope NAMM serves up SOME kind of outboard, video specific control box add-on. People have been re-purposing Kontrol X1s, APCs, nano-pads etc as a workaround, but I want something that works with Mix Emergency and has clearly laid out and labeled buttons that also light up lol.
Will08272 11:36 PM - 23 January, 2013
I dont want to get my expectations high and feel sad if the ssl and dj merge doesnt happen. The least i feel is that ssl 2.5 will go into beta and a beta version of dj with dvs support. I still feel that the dvs functionality will still be locked to rane mixers and interfaces. Its the only reason ive been holding off on a sl2.
Code:E 11:41 PM - 23 January, 2013
I would pay $129 to use any sound card with serato DJ then use my CDJ's in HID mode with there sound card!
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:28 AM - 24 January, 2013
Scratchlive 3.0 hmmmm
Rane serato dj controller hhmmmm
The bridge for serato dj hhmmmmm
Scratchlive merge with serato dj hmmmm
Mixed emergency offical plugin with ssl and sdj hhmmmm

Cant think of anything else that would excite anyone around here.
Code:E 1:00 AM - 24 January, 2013
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Scratchlive 3.0 hmmmm
Rane serato dj controller hhmmmm
The bridge for serato dj hhmmmmm
Scratchlive merge with serato dj hmmmm
Mixed emergency offical plugin with ssl and sdj hhmmmm

Cant think of anything else that would excite anyone around here.

None of which will happen.
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:21 AM - 24 January, 2013
Dont we know it! They got a back log of old controllers to support and all these new ones coming out. Serato = always playing catchup.

Supose you could add Big Serato Video update to that aswell lol.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:08 AM - 24 January, 2013
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Scratchlive 3.0 hmmmm
Rane serato dj controller hhmmmm
The bridge for serato dj hhmmmmm
Scratchlive merge with serato dj hmmmm
Mixed emergency offical plugin with ssl and sdj hhmmmm

Cant think of anything else that would excite anyone around here.



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Code:E 3:06 AM - 24 January, 2013
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Dont we know it! They got a back log of old controllers to support and all these new ones coming out. Serato = always playing catchup.

Supose you could add Big Serato Video update to that aswell lol.

+1

I dont think they ever will add old controllers to the supported list at this point. It makes not economical sense for them to spend the time on it now.
DJDeluchi 4:48 AM - 24 January, 2013
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Dont we know it! They got a back log of old controllers to support and all these new ones coming out. Serato = always playing catchup.

Supose you could add Big Serato Video update to that aswell lol.


come on they aint back logged there just drip feeding so people feel tempted into newer controllers rather than waiting
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:56 AM - 24 January, 2013
I would not call the vestax 380 old lol

And they are supporting all the old controllers minus the allen and heath and denon.
Daniel Ventura 8:36 AM - 24 January, 2013
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I would pay $129 to use any sound card with serato DJ then use my CDJ's in HID mode with there sound card!



same here! want exactly this feature! would pay even more.... if this won't happen i'll switch fully over to traktor in few days, tightest cdj integration ever, works way better than seratos and soundcards integrated!
Dax 9:05 AM - 24 January, 2013
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I would pay $129 to use any sound card with serato DJ then use my CDJ's in HID mode with there sound card!



same here! want exactly this feature! would pay even more.... if this won't happen i'll switch fully over to traktor in few days, tightest cdj integration ever, works way better than seratos and soundcards integrated!



me too but dont think i'll do the jump to traktor i'm waiting for the one to be released.
my idea set up would be HID controller(to replace turntables,the only records i play are CV's)hi-spec soundcard(maybe a RME) and E&S or Condesa mixer.i want the best of both worlds high end audio with the ability to do cues, loops ect.i want to be able to chose my own parts of my set up and not have to use a all in one toy just because thats whats being pushed by the market leaders.

just hope at this years NAMM there's something for the pro dj and its not all for the bedroom consumer market.
Daniel Ventura 9:17 AM - 24 January, 2013
you got all in traktor, the cdj soundcards are quite good, especially when using the coax out.
i can run really low latency on them (ca 2ms with both connected on windows).
but yes, the one sounds really great but i didn't expect a release in near future :-/
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:28 AM - 24 January, 2013
What time at the Namm show is serato press release or whatever you call it?? When they unveal there plans for this year???
Dax 9:47 AM - 24 January, 2013
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you got all in traktor, the cdj soundcards are quite good, especially when using the coax out.
i can run really low latency on them (ca 2ms with both connected on windows).
but yes, the one sounds really great but i didn't expect a release in near future :-/



i'm not a fan of taktors GUI and i'm in no rush and can wait for the one,i use turntables and 57 at home and use cdj900's in HID,SL3 and Rane MP2016S at studio.i now want to get the same sound at home with paying out for cdj's and with a smaller foot print.
Daniel Ventura 9:54 AM - 24 January, 2013
i know what you mean, i wasn't a fan of the traktor gui too, but in actual releases you can strip down the gui and customize it really good.
i just gave it a try and after short time i get accustomed to it.
Dax 10:13 AM - 24 January, 2013
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i know what you mean, i wasn't a fan of the traktor gui too, but in actual releases you can strip down the gui and customize it really good.
i just gave it a try and after short time i get accustomed to it.


OK didnt know you could do that,thanks
Daniel Ventura 10:26 AM - 24 January, 2013
for me (essential view mode) the only gui difference to serato are the horizontal waveforms side by side the rest of the gui is nearly the same as in serato (library view, sample decks (if needed))
monchi 3:15 PM - 24 January, 2013
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What time at the Namm show is serato press release or whatever you call it?? When they unveal there plans for this year???


Starts@10:00am,. AGIPROdj has a link for live stream, I believe!
DJ GaFFle 4:07 PM - 24 January, 2013
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What time at the Namm show is serato press release or whatever you call it?? When they unveal there plans for this year???


Starts@10:00am,. AGIPROdj has a link for live stream, I believe!

What's the link?
p45 4:13 PM - 24 January, 2013
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What's the link?


+1
GoodVibez 4:30 PM - 24 January, 2013
Link???
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:32 PM - 24 January, 2013
Launchpad keyboard

createdigitalmusic.com
djdannyd 4:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
no live stream from agiprodj this year
jprime 4:51 PM - 24 January, 2013
Can anyone recommend a good twitter feed to follow for strictly dj stuff? #NAMM2013 is loaded with guitar mumbo jumbo
DJ Stoyvo 5:49 PM - 24 January, 2013
I've been refreshing this page: www.djtechtools.com
DJ Stoyvo 5:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
and this: www.musicradar.com
DJ Stoyvo 5:56 PM - 24 January, 2013
... and: www.engadget.com
DJDeluchi 6:00 PM - 24 January, 2013
let the chaos commence i live for 10am on the thursday at namm all year round........ i love this shit t minus 10 minutes to love and hate all boiling over and people moaning about no empath sl lol
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:02 PM - 24 January, 2013
YES!!!! SSL 3.0!!!! WOW
DJDeluchi 6:04 PM - 24 January, 2013
wheres this info coming from?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:12 PM - 24 January, 2013
HOLY SHIT NEW EMPATH!!!!
DJDeluchi 6:14 PM - 24 January, 2013
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HOLY SHIT NEW EMPATH!!!!


aint no empath and never will be lol we both know this
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:15 PM - 24 January, 2013
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HOLY SHIT NEW EMPATH!!!!


aint no empath and never will be lol we both know this

Shhhh lol
SiRocket 6:17 PM - 24 January, 2013
The Internet service sucks here at the show :(
DJDeluchi 6:17 PM - 24 January, 2013
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HOLY SHIT NEW EMPATH!!!!


aint no empath and never will be lol we both know this

Shhhh lol


:-)
dj-freestyle 6:19 PM - 24 January, 2013
Bezzle always has to start some shit. lol lol
jprime 6:19 PM - 24 January, 2013
New Bezzle series mixer that randomly shocks you with 100 volts during your set
Dj Shamann 6:19 PM - 24 January, 2013
So what's the word
DJDeluchi 6:20 PM - 24 January, 2013
all feels abit weak this year....... last year we had play by play commentary LOL
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:24 PM - 24 January, 2013
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all feels abit weak this year....... last year we had play by play commentary LOL

+1 what is going on?
Will08272 6:27 PM - 24 January, 2013
Wait, is serato even doing a conference of some sort now.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:28 PM - 24 January, 2013
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New Bezzle series mixer that randomly shocks you with 100 volts during your set

Lol....that gave me an idea, my take on the handshake buzzer, ima make a fader cap with 2 watch batterys on the inside thatll have a small dot of metal exposed so itll shock a dj who grips the fader and completes the circut!!!
jprime 6:28 PM - 24 January, 2013
O_O




Good gag product...swap it out on your buddies mixer when he's Jesus posing too hard ;)
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:37 PM - 24 January, 2013
it's sooo quiet!!!!! no news is good news, right?
phatbob 6:38 PM - 24 January, 2013
40 minutes in and NOTHING. This is depressing.
dj-freestyle 6:38 PM - 24 January, 2013
Ya right
jprime 6:39 PM - 24 January, 2013
People are soaking it all in. At this point I'd be happy with an official road map announcement.
BERTO 6:40 PM - 24 January, 2013
So far its a controller or ten and ableton push....no ssl news...midi out? Pppplease :(
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:41 PM - 24 January, 2013
Dont forget the orbit lol
jprime 6:42 PM - 24 January, 2013
Game changing orbit.
phatbob 6:42 PM - 24 January, 2013
Has nobody in music tech journalism ever heard of liveblogging? There's nothing on Twitter even.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:43 PM - 24 January, 2013
i hate to say it but its looking like there is NOTHING!!! Prob just guna talk about serato dj.....
dj-freestyle 6:44 PM - 24 January, 2013
Couple people posted serato 3.0 on dubs stuff.
BERTO 6:44 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Dont forget the orbit lol


Im just waiting to see how many shittalkers end up with one lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:48 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Dont forget the orbit lol


Im just waiting to see how many shittalkers end up with one lol

I probably will lol
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:50 PM - 24 January, 2013
any other forum posts with info yet???

any info please post links!!!

toooo quiet lol
BERTO 6:50 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Dont forget the orbit lol


Im just waiting to see how many shittalkers end up with one lol

I probably will lol


Its like "well my local guitar center had an open box one, and i had a coupon for 40% offnso it was like 13$" translates into preordered andoaid full retail for it! Ha
BERTO 6:50 PM - 24 January, 2013
And paid *=andoaid
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:51 PM - 24 January, 2013
Its official nothin new from rane/serato
dj-freestyle 6:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
Ya nothing new ,sucks
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:54 PM - 24 January, 2013
is this for REAL????
Will08272 6:54 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Its official nothin new from rane/serato


Its only the first day of namm, im sure they will announce something tomorrow right...............
jprime 6:54 PM - 24 January, 2013
who knows. Maybe they are giving a 45 minute sermon.

Doors open at 10, expect some lineup getting in...
dj-freestyle 6:56 PM - 24 January, 2013
dub said nothing new and he is at the booth
dj-freestyle 6:56 PM - 24 January, 2013
follow dub o ffacebook is posted pictures from the booth.
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:56 PM - 24 January, 2013
Well least Traktor users will be happy with there news later/tomoz.

Man this Rane hold on serato is guna last years aint it.....
DjWoody 7:00 PM - 24 January, 2013
There's plenty on the producer side though.

Akai Pro MPX8
www.musicradar.com

Apogee ONE, Duet and iPad connectivity for Quartet
www.apogeedigital.com

Korg MS-20 mini analogue synth
www.musicradar.com

Davev Smith's Prophet 12 synth
davesmithinstruments.com

Moog Sub Phatty
futuremusic.com
XRM5 7:01 PM - 24 January, 2013
Why was Martin talking about SSL news in January then? Not too many days left in January.
BERTO 7:01 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Why was Martin talking about SSL news in January then? Not too many days left in January.
DjWoody 7:02 PM - 24 January, 2013
Akai MPC Headphones
ow.ly
danielthewave 7:03 PM - 24 January, 2013
still can't believe that there is nothing new ...
Phil G 7:03 PM - 24 January, 2013
maybe they didnt get whatever they were working on finished in time. my guess is a software update and we'll see a public beta sometime soon

or maybe he was referring to the NS7-2

I'm not sure but i can't believe there has been nothing announced again
dj-freestyle 7:04 PM - 24 January, 2013
i would imagine updates are coming but they will release them normal not at namm
XRM5 7:08 PM - 24 January, 2013
Every time one of these big shows come around I'm amazed that no one has tried a dedicated controller for the SP-6, Slicer, or Serato Video.
jprime 7:12 PM - 24 January, 2013
Seriously. We've heard nothing. wtf.
dj-freestyle 7:17 PM - 24 January, 2013
Nothing new from serato this year. dub is at booth and nothing new
DJ Unique 7:21 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Nothing new from serato this year. dub is at booth and nothing new

I wish they would at least update their software past 2.3.3 to fix their crash when accessing the CD drive.
wadup 7:22 PM - 24 January, 2013
Unbelievable!!!!!
DJ Unique 7:24 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Nothing new from serato this year. dub is at booth and nothing new

I wish they would at least update their software past 2.3.3 to fix their crash when accessing the CD drive.

meant to say 2.4.3
sixxx 7:28 PM - 24 January, 2013
I just arrived at the Rane booth. I saw someone carry out what looked like a new mixer. I tried to take a picture but the rep didn't let me do it. :/
wadup 7:29 PM - 24 January, 2013
This gotta be disappointing for those who has been waiting patiently for something new....this is like a wake up call
Will08272 7:29 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I just arrived at the Rane booth. I saw someone carry out what looked like a new mixer. I tried to take a picture but the rep didn't let me do it. :/


Holy lord there is light at the end of the tunnel.
DjWoody 7:34 PM - 24 January, 2013
62 Beat Junkies Edition
instagram.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:35 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Well least Traktor users will be happy with there news later/tomoz.

Man this Rane hold on serato is guna last years aint it.....

Rane dosent have a hold on em, thats wwhy serato dj exists
Joshua Carl 7:38 PM - 24 January, 2013
Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???
Audio1 7:39 PM - 24 January, 2013
HELL YEAH!
wadup 7:39 PM - 24 January, 2013
Kinda make you wonder...
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:40 PM - 24 January, 2013
No timecode in serato dj because rane wont let go! They could always make a controller aswell! Serato need to just add timecode dvs support to all controllers and if someome still wants to use rane they will. They should be innovating not holding customers and technology back. Oh well never mind.
phatbob 7:42 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...
wadup 7:43 PM - 24 January, 2013
+1
BERTO 7:43 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

I was just about to say the same, active djs not on forums playing alont traktor users are jumping ship
Will08272 7:44 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...


If used traktor for a bit and it wasnt for me, but lets say serato added dvs support to dj, do you think dj is a step in the right direction for serato or is there still something else missing.
thebuttonfreak 7:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
Serato has made a tone of moves lately, just none of the right ones. Serato DJ shoulld have just been a standalone program with midi out. It's what people want, it's what they've been asking for. THey could have charged 200 bucks easy and people would have paid it.
thebuttonfreak 7:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
I'm waiting for "the one" to at least go into public beta.
The Human Error 7:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Akai MPC Headphones
ow.ly


My god they are ugly
DJ Stoyvo 7:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:46 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???

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HELL YEAH!

Rotfl
djcrap 7:46 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


This was bound to happen when they let Nathan and James quit serato two year ago
thebuttonfreak 7:47 PM - 24 January, 2013
where did nathan and james go? Tell them I'll find them financing.
Phil G 7:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
Dvs support isn't enough. Look at NI's innovation, they have the remix decks, all of their midi mapping, an upcoming iPad app of some description etc etc

Now don't get me wrong here, I've tried traktor and don't like it. The whole thing is too complicated, but I don't think anyone can deny how far ahead they are and how quick they've got there. If Serato don't do something soon they are really going to have a problem.

Look at things like HID support for the nexus cdjs, every single dj software supports this except serato. They have even said they don't have plans to do it.

I can honestly say I don't understand what goes through their brains.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
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No timecode in serato dj because rane wont let go! They could always make a controller aswell! Serato need to just add timecode dvs support to all controllers and if someome still wants to use rane they will. They should be innovating not holding customers and technology back. Oh well never mind.

Can u not use timecode with dj...i thought thats why all these controllers had inputs...that sucks
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:53 PM - 24 January, 2013
The thing that fucked serato up was ITCH its where it all went down hill. They should have just pit all the controllers on scratchlive and kept the video plugin uptodate and mot let ME takeover. Listend to user requests and watched the compition more closely. Serato dj is two years two late! Oh amd lets not forget the bridge fuckup. And yep its all i hear more and more traktor traktor traktor. But i just perfer serato it just needs more updates and innovation!!! Or just better software developers maybe seratos are all dried up and out there depth.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:55 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

I was just about to say the same, active djs not on forums playing alont traktor users are jumping ship



My next purchase will be a z2 mixer, not saying im "moving to" traktor but i am explorin the territory
blackavenger 7:57 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

Hell, I have been a Serato user since nearly the beginning.....I've bought an SL1, SL3, 57-SL, and NS6......have carried the torch all through N.I.'s MANY advancements......have been a fairly active member of the Forum, and even I have seen the light, and have had enough.

I've been using TP2 on my NS6 for a few months now, holding out on buying the Z2. Hoping that Serato would come to their senses and merge SeratoDJ & ScratchLIVE....but, I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. So, the Z2 it is!!!
Will08272 7:58 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

I was just about to say the same, active djs not on forums playing alont traktor users are jumping ship



My next purchase will be a z2 mixer, not saying im "moving to" traktor but i am explorin the territory


They are not ready for you beezle at the ni message boards
BERTO 7:59 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

I was just about to say the same, active djs not on forums playing alont traktor users are jumping ship



My next purchase will be a z2 mixer, not saying im "moving to" traktor but i am explorin the territory


Bezzle find any info as to what/where all the bottons are?their website sucks.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:59 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Boo!!!!!

Have we hit the innovative ceiling ???


NI seem to have proved otherwise already, and we haven't even seen their new thing yet.

This is all a bit worrying. I'm getting 'normal' DJs (not forum whores) at gigs saying to me "yeah, Serato's getting a bit behind, I'm thinking about Traktor" a lot now.

Another few months of stagnation isn't gonna help that...

I was just about to say the same, active djs not on forums playing alont traktor users are jumping ship



My next purchase will be a z2 mixer, not saying im "moving to" traktor but i am explorin the territory


They are not ready for you beezle at the ni message boards



Lol!
djgrits7 8:00 PM - 24 January, 2013
soo shortee and faust are on now, wonder what they will be revealing?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:00 PM - 24 January, 2013
If me getting a traktor mixer meant i was leavng the forum serato woulda bought me one along time ago
jprime 8:00 PM - 24 January, 2013
I was thinking how a 4 channel setup could go down with Whaktor. Help me out with the math though...
Ideally 2 decks are controlled with DVS, and 2 channels are button masher/controller controlled (like Twitch...in fact if I could use my existing twitch w. traktor map that'd be great).
if the Z2 only has 2 outputs...would you have to simply map 2 channels to one out, and 2 channels to another out, and just use gain controls on the (Twitch?) to get them other channels out there?

What's the ideal 4 channel dvs/controller route?
BERTO 8:03 PM - 24 January, 2013
www.rane.com

I need Page 2 equivalent for z2, their manual doesnt have it and images are not clear enough to see layout
blackavenger 8:03 PM - 24 January, 2013
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They are not ready for you beezle at the ni message boards

I've been on the NI Message board for a while now....it's nothing like The Serato forums.....strictly business over there.

The Serato Forum equivalent for NI products is DJTechTools.....that's a fun forum.
Will08272 8:04 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I was thinking how a 4 channel setup could go down with Whaktor. Help me out with the math though...
Ideally 2 decks are controlled with DVS, and 2 channels are button masher/controller controlled (like Twitch...in fact if I could use my existing twitch w. traktor map that'd be great).
if the Z2 only has 2 outputs...would you have to simply map 2 channels to one out, and 2 channels to another out, and just use gain controls on the (Twitch?) to get them other channels out there?

What's the ideal 4 channel dvs/controller route?


Off the top of my head it would be the s4.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:04 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I was thinking how a 4 channel setup could go down with Whaktor. Help me out with the math though...
Ideally 2 decks are controlled with DVS, and 2 channels are button masher/controller controlled (like Twitch...in fact if I could use my existing twitch w. traktor map that'd be great).
if the Z2 only has 2 outputs...would you have to simply map 2 channels to one out, and 2 channels to another out, and just use gain controls on the (Twitch?) to get them other channels out there?

What's the ideal 4 channel dvs/controller route?

Theres a button to switch channels
jprime 8:05 PM - 24 January, 2013
how would you have 3 or 4 channels going at once then?
blackavenger 8:07 PM - 24 January, 2013
If you want DVS w' Traktor on a controller, the ONLY route is the S4.
Will08272 8:08 PM - 24 January, 2013
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how would you have 3 or 4 channels going at once then?


Well if you use the s4, two channels would be with the controller the other two with your tt or cdjs. The controller has a mixer function but traktor has to be running so the inputs are active.
blackavenger 8:08 PM - 24 January, 2013
JPrime, check out the Denon X1600/1700, I think they will suite your needs better
phatbob 8:12 PM - 24 January, 2013
This is where Traktor gets complicated, as there are many ways to achieve that setup; although not with the Z2 as that is really best as 2 decks + 2 remix decks.

Personally I'd run an Audio 10 with a regular 4 channel mixer, then have the Twitch acting solely as a controller for decks C&D.

At least you HAVE options though...
Joshua Carl 8:14 PM - 24 January, 2013
Pioneer made their shit shiny
(Which we have been seeing for 3 weeks anyways)

www.youtube.com
jprime 8:16 PM - 24 January, 2013
Maybe I'll start putting pennies away for a Z4 mixer ;) And see if serato steps up in the meanwhile...
Joshua Carl 8:17 PM - 24 January, 2013
I know that Crane had a fair amount of stuff coining out too.. Obviously not mixers and whatnot, but in true crane tradition I'm sure it will be pretty sweet
Will08272 8:18 PM - 24 January, 2013
I totally forgot about all the traktor scratch certified mixers.
DjWoody 8:21 PM - 24 January, 2013
I really want to see new dj bags. I don't like any that I've seen and mine is old and falling apart. I also wanted to see a CDJ 850 replacement since Pioneer did a major discount for the last 1/3 of last year.
blackavenger 8:22 PM - 24 January, 2013
It's pretty obvious how Serato feel about ScratchLIVE, and it saddens me. No major advancements in YEARS....that's definitely something to be sad about.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:22 PM - 24 January, 2013
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how would you have 3 or 4 channels going at once then?

On the z2 you can use your tt to control deck 1 then hit a button now your controlling deck 2 with the tt instead of 1 or you can hit a button that locks em together so you cintrol em both at once
blackavenger 8:26 PM - 24 January, 2013
Decks 3 & 4 are only for the Remix Decks.
blackavenger 8:28 PM - 24 January, 2013
you're basically getting a 2 channel mixer, but with 2 extra "virtual" Remix Decks.
blackavenger 8:29 PM - 24 January, 2013
I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.
blackavenger 8:30 PM - 24 January, 2013
too hard to type w' one set of fingers.
thebuttonfreak 8:30 PM - 24 January, 2013
THe bridge is amazing, just because it wasn't a huge success for them right off the bat doesn't mean it should be abandoned. THe core idea is amazing and the execution isn't horrible. It does need an update bad though and an easy way to use live effects on tracks being played in SSL without the need for another soundcard.
BERTO 8:31 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.

Any image that says where all the buttons are/do
Will08272 8:31 PM - 24 January, 2013
The remix decks i consider like a baby ableton.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:31 PM - 24 January, 2013
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you're basically getting a 2 channel mixer, but with 2 extra "virtual" Remix Decks.

Oh....that sucks lol
blackavenger 8:34 PM - 24 January, 2013
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you're basically getting a 2 channel mixer, but with 2 extra "virtual" Remix Decks.

Oh....that sucks lol

I don't think so....especially for $700-$800 street, and a TSP2 License & CV.

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The remix decks i consider like a baby ableton.

Yup, exactly!
DjWoody 8:34 PM - 24 January, 2013
Samson DJ Controller
twitter.com

Pioneer's New Booth
twitter.com
blackavenger 8:35 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Pioneer's New Booth
twitter.com

Ballin'
blackavenger 8:39 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.

Any image that says where all the buttons are/do

www.native-instruments.com
BERTO 8:43 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.

Any image that says where all the buttons are/do

www.native-instruments.com

Yea checked on there no layout image like www.rane.com page 2
DjWoody 8:43 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.

Any image that says where all the buttons are/do

www.native-instruments.com


Yup! Also, when you buy an NI product, all the manuals are on the Service Center.
BERTO 8:44 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I wish I didn't have a broken wrist, else I would break it all down for Y'all.....I've been doing madd research on them for a couple months.

Any image that says where all the buttons are/do

www.native-instruments.com


Yup! Also, when you buy an NI product, all the manuals are on the Service Center.

Went through manual all 60 pages no page saing where buttons are and what they do...
BERTO 8:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
Like i know faders, eqs obviously but looking for load, trak a,b loopin out fx on/off ect
DjWoody 8:45 PM - 24 January, 2013
I got one better for you. How about an Interactive Explorer that shows you what everything is?

www.native-instruments.com
jprime 8:46 PM - 24 January, 2013
^blank page for me. Flash fail.
BERTO 8:47 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I got one better for you. How about an Interactive Explorer that shows you what everything is?

www.native-instruments.com

Its the same product page, i wish i had a local dealer...
BERTO 8:48 PM - 24 January, 2013
Maybe itsnmy browser ill check links on lappy later thanks!
blackavenger 8:49 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I got one better for you. How about an Interactive Explorer that shows you what everything is?

www.native-instruments.com

that's what I thought I linked....sorry.
DjWoody 8:50 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I got one better for you. How about an Interactive Explorer that shows you what everything is?

www.native-instruments.com

Its the same product page, i wish i had a local dealer...


Page 2 of the PDF you posted is the exact same thing that I posted except NI's is interactive. You need to click where it says INTERACTIVE EXPLORER and you also need flash to see it.
phatbob 8:50 PM - 24 January, 2013
So a discussion about what Serato have at NAMM has turned into a thread with people working out ways to switch to Traktor.

Fail much?
blackavenger 8:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
Hey, it's their fault....
blackavenger 8:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
Hey, it's their fault....
blackavenger 8:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
WTF???
Eric N 8:54 PM - 24 January, 2013
Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com
blackavenger 8:57 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

Now that's something I'd like to get. I always said, the next controller I buy has to do both Traktor & SeratoDJ equally as well.....the 400 is definitely it.
BERTO 9:01 PM - 24 January, 2013
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I got one better for you. How about an Interactive Explorer that shows you what everything is?

www.native-instruments.com

Its the same product page, i wish i had a local dealer...


Page 2 of the PDF you posted is the exact same thing that I posted except NI's is interactive. You need to click where it says INTERACTIVE EXPLORER and you also need flash to see it.

On ipad will check out later thanks!
Frankie Glasses 9:03 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

Now that's something I'd like to get. I always said, the next controller I buy has to do both Traktor & SeratoDJ equally as well.....the 400 is definitely it.


until the 500 comes out in six months....or less.
These damn controllers are obsolete in months it seems like.
Audio1 9:05 PM - 24 January, 2013
Live from NAMM. Just got some new CV's. Thanks Rane team!
monchi 9:07 PM - 24 January, 2013
CV,Which ones?
djgrits7 9:10 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Live from NAMM. Just got some new CV's. Thanks Rane team!

hey what's up with shortee and faust? anything new debuted at noon there?
blackavenger 9:11 PM - 24 January, 2013
For those of you who would like to thumb through the Z2's Full PDF Manual, I hosted it on Zippyshare, and will keep it up for a day or two.

www70.zippyshare.com
DjWoody 9:14 PM - 24 January, 2013
WTF? NAMM is open to the public this year on Sat & Sun?
www.monoprice.com
Will08272 9:19 PM - 24 January, 2013
If nothing at all is announced or said about ssl during namm or a little after can we say that focus on ssl has shifted.
djgrits7 9:22 PM - 24 January, 2013
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If nothing at all is announced or said about ssl during namm or a little after can we say that focus on ssl has shifted.



i agree, i can't believe nothing has been announced yet!!!
Audio1 9:24 PM - 24 January, 2013
Hold your horsies children. It's not like you can't already do enough remarkable things with all the things that Rane and Serato have already brought to you. Relax.
djgrits7 9:29 PM - 24 January, 2013
the anticipation is killin me mario! lol
HittinSkinzTa2 9:31 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Hold your horsies children. It's not like you can't already do enough remarkable things with all the things that Rane and Serato have already brought to you. Relax.


My thoughts exactly.
jprime 9:39 PM - 24 January, 2013
I just want to loop some old Peter Piper on top of a nice breakbeat with a couple decks, drop an acapella in there with another deck, then lace it with some scratches.

Make it so.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 9:49 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Hold your horsies children. It's not like you can't already do enough remarkable things with all the things that Rane and Serato have already brought to you. Relax.

There's a NEW PLUGIN coming from Rane/Serato that will help everyone become a better DJ, it's called "PRACTICE"
Eric N 9:52 PM - 24 January, 2013
And then there's this game-changing announcement...

www.digitaldjtips.com

LOL.
jprime 9:56 PM - 24 January, 2013
apples and oranges imo
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:04 PM - 24 January, 2013
If traktor gets pong im sold
sixxx 10:12 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Hold your horsies children. It's not like you can't already do enough remarkable things with all the things that Rane and Serato have already brought to you. Relax.

There's a NEW PLUGIN coming from Rane/Serato that will help everyone become a better DJ, it's called "PRACTICE"


The truth. Some of you want so much and you can't fucken mix for shit, let alone scratch or get really creative.

I say baby steps first, then go wild. Unless of course you're looking for an EASY BUTTON on some new toy looking controller.
DJ Cs 10:21 PM - 24 January, 2013
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Is anyone else annoyed that the volume meters are all red


My top annoyance. Thought it was just me at one point.
Joshua Carl 10:26 PM - 24 January, 2013
truth be told, Ill never want anything without a rock solid platform.
certainly of the mindset of less bells and whistles, more stability.

So, if adding on more and more (advancement for the sake of advancement)
then you can keep it.
DJ Dynamite - NJ 10:44 PM - 24 January, 2013
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truth be told, Ill never want anything without a rock solid platform.
certainly of the mindset of less bells and whistles, more stability.

So, if adding on more and more (advancement for the sake of advancement)
then you can keep it.

Exactly... just look the Technics 1200s (R.I.P.) Pretty much the same since day one... only minor impovements (stronger motor, wider pitch range, and some color changes)
reggae delgado 1:04 AM - 25 January, 2013
Yeah not sure what everyone is trippin about... I barely scratch the surface of what serato can do and can rock crowds without ever thinking "what if." Sure, a few features would be cool but most of them I can recreate myself with... what's that word? Oh yeah, practice.
Not going to spend a ton of money to abandon a mixer platform that is a world-wide standard. I can only imagine how some people on this board might panic at a gig if they panic like this about the lack of an announcement.
djcrap 1:08 AM - 25 January, 2013
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If traktor gets beer pong im sold
nm
phatbob 1:39 AM - 25 January, 2013
And here they come again, the neo-Luddite contingent.

What you guys don't seem to understand, is that a number of hardcore turntablists buying a new SL box or Rane mixer every few years to use with their discontinued 1200s is not going to provide the growth that Serato need to stay competitive in the changing market.

Serato clearly know it, hence the focus on controllers at the apparent expense of Scratch Live. But you just can't see it for whatever reason.
Culprit 1:52 AM - 25 January, 2013
damn decka dance looks like a cheap rip from serato dj
DJ Dynamite - NJ 2:30 AM - 25 January, 2013
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And here they come again, the neo-Luddite contingent.

What you guys don't seem to understand, is that a number of hardcore turntablists buying a new SL box or Rane mixer every few years to use with their discontinued 1200s is not going to provide the growth that Serato need to stay competitive in the changing market.

Serato clearly know it, hence the focus on controllers at the apparent expense of Scratch Live. But you just can't see it for whatever reason.

Nobody is saying that Serato shouldn't what they can to make money. We're talking about the DJs that use the technology as a crutch and for shortcuts instead of learning and practicing and then use technology as a tool to advance them in their craft.
sixxx 2:32 AM - 25 January, 2013
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And here they come again, the neo-Luddite contingent.

What you guys don't seem to understand, is that a number of hardcore turntablists buying a new SL box or Rane mixer every few years to use with their discontinued 1200s is not going to provide the growth that Serato need to stay competitive in the changing market.

Serato clearly know it, hence the focus on controllers at the apparent expense of Scratch Live. But you just can't see it for whatever reason.

Nobody is saying that Serato shouldn't what they can to make money. We're talking about the DJs that use the technology as a crutch and for shortcuts instead of learning and practicing and then use technology as a tool to advance them in their craft.


Thanks for clarifying this for those who still have coke bottle goggles. :)

nm
Will08272 3:33 AM - 25 January, 2013
Phatbob is looking at it more from the business side of things which at the end of the day will always rule gotta go where the money and market goes. People see a cheap control and it has everything they need to be a "dj" versus even the fair priced sl2 and not know a thing. Just a forever shrinking prosumer market vs the forever expanding regular consumer market. Once djing goes over peoples heads and the next tech craze kicks off things will settle slowly.
blackavenger 11:28 AM - 25 January, 2013
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serato.com

....and there we have it folks, the end of ScratchLIVE!!!

I realize that I am being melodramatic, but the writing is clearly on the wall.
blackavenger 11:32 AM - 25 January, 2013
Say what you will about Traktor, but at least it offers FULL control of the software across ALL platforms!! Can't say the same for Serato.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:46 AM - 25 January, 2013
It does seem Serato has turned into a cheap beginers dj software choice with all controllers. Also have the pro controllers for the pros! But it is a new business models thats for sure.

The Bridge, dead
Ssl, dead
Itch, dead

Dj intro --> serato dj = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for serato.

I mean if they support all the Pioneer CDJ range that use midi/hid to serato dj only Vinyl users will use ssl. And 1210s are discontinued so i think you can see where serato is thinking here.

Rane really need to make a controller for serato dj before they get left out.
Will08272 1:27 PM - 25 January, 2013
Even with the focus being on controllers, i think dvs function should be added to dj, and improve upon it and once djs kinks are all ironed out move ssl aside and be supported like itch but dj will be seratos main product. If Traktor becomes more closed off then this can be seratos chance to over take again imo. With the premium dj controlls having built in mixers, having two channels or hell even all be able to be used with cd players and tts along side the midi functions of the control and well i think serato will be good. Traktor closing up and serato opening up. Also midi out has to come.
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:44 PM - 25 January, 2013
Totally agree 100%
BERTO 3:45 PM - 25 January, 2013
Rane should unlock their mixers for traktor.... Boom!
ral 3:50 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

Now that's something I'd like to get. I always said, the next controller I buy has to do both Traktor & SeratoDJ equally as well.....the 400 is definitely it.


im thinking about that too - mobile / video / traktor / serato dj / 4 channel - might be my first all in one controller
Will08272 3:52 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

Now that's something I'd like to get. I always said, the next controller I buy has to do both Traktor & SeratoDJ equally as well.....the 400 is definitely it.


im thinking about that too - mobile / video / traktor / serato dj / 4 channel - might be my first all in one controller


Add a sl2 to that and ssl can be used also.
sixxx 3:55 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Say what you will about Sersto, but at least it offers video!! Can't say the same for Traktor.



I agree.
blackavenger 4:36 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Rane should unlock their mixers for traktor.... Boom!

That would be sooooo frakin' awesome!!!!!
djcrap 5:18 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Rane should unlock their mixers for traktor.... Boom!

That would be sooooo frakin' awesome!!!!!


+10000 on that

they should linsece their mixers to traktor just like how they do with serato. or make a mixer for traktor with a built in sound card for traktor
Joshua Carl 5:27 PM - 25 January, 2013
How about a new rotary empath Traktor edition...
Eric N 5:44 PM - 25 January, 2013
This might actually be the coolest thing to come out of NAMM lol. Wondering if you can load samples into it...

www.digitaldjtips.com
DJ JT Stevens 6:35 PM - 25 January, 2013
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This might actually be the coolest thing to come out of NAMM lol. Wondering if you can load samples into it...

www.digitaldjtips.com

That thing is definitely cool. But man, if you think that we DJ's are sticklers about young'ins coming in and mimicking what we do by hitting some buttons, guitar snobs will take that animosity to a whole other level. Haha.

Honestly, as a guitarist I can't say I wouldn't be annoyed if some teenage kid did the tapping parts in Eruption by mashing on some buttons instead of learning it properly. But I can see some cool innovation happening on this thing in the hands of a talented player.
phatbob 6:58 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Honestly, as a guitarist I can't say I wouldn't be annoyed if some teenage kid did the tapping parts in Eruption by mashing on some buttons instead of learning it properly. But I can see some cool innovation happening on this thing in the hands of a talented player.


Now flip that back to DJ gear... Still makes sense. ;-)
blackavenger 6:59 PM - 25 January, 2013
That RoboCaster is badass
DJ JT Stevens 7:12 PM - 25 January, 2013
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Now flip that back to DJ gear... Still makes sense. ;-)

Agreed, for sure. It'll be interesting to see the parallels between both worlds though if something like this goes into production.
VJ Justin Allen 11:51 PM - 25 January, 2013
Still shocked that Traktor has not teamed up with Mix Emergency.
Code:E 12:10 AM - 26 January, 2013
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Your not the only one. It seems that Inklen and NI havent even talked and have no intrest in doing so. Plus if you mention video mixing on the NI forum you black listed by everyone on there. They look at all Video guys as top40 paris hilton DJ's who aren't work there weight in manure.
DjWoody 12:14 AM - 26 January, 2013
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Maybe NI is working on a different approach.
Dokumentary 12:15 AM - 26 January, 2013
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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

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Vestax just dropped the VCI-400 with a new color scheme and shipped with Serato DJ. Woohoo.

www.digitaldjtips.com

Now that's something I'd like to get. I always said, the next controller I buy has to do both Traktor & SeratoDJ equally as well.....the 400 is definitely it.


im thinking about that too - mobile / video / traktor / serato dj / 4 channel - might be my first all in one controller


Add a sl2 to that and ssl can be used also.

I just found out today that the VCI-380 has a Scratch Live mapping available. If they made one for the new 400, you could have control over SDJ, SSL, Traktor, Mixvibes Cross, and VDJ in one controller. I realize you can MIDI map any controller to SSL but Vestax has a mapping that includes the jogwheels for SSL (as well as the before mentioned programs) on the front page of their website. vestax.com Maybe someone at Vestax or djtechtools can create an SSL mapping for the VCI-400.
Joshua Carl 12:15 AM - 26 January, 2013
there was a point in time when NI were looking for video coders/programmers.

:-)
phatbob 12:40 AM - 26 January, 2013
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:-)


That was a long time ago now though...

NI have definitely been experimenting, Shiftee was using a custom version that fed playhead info out for the Mostly Robot shows.
BERTO 12:44 AM - 26 January, 2013
twitter.com crane cases
blackavenger 1:32 AM - 26 January, 2013
I saw a pic on of the Silver VCi-400 on DJWorx, and it was being displayed on a glossy red Crane Pro Stand.......I WANT!!!
djkurve 1:37 AM - 26 January, 2013
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This might actually be the coolest thing to come out of NAMM lol. Wondering if you can load samples into it...

www.digitaldjtips.com



Moldover's Robocaster=New Guitar Hero Controller for PS4 & X Box 720
BERTO 1:47 AM - 26 January, 2013
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Crane plus not pro
blackavenger 1:56 AM - 26 January, 2013
oh, well then nevermind.
BERTO 1:59 AM - 26 January, 2013
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oh, well then nevermind.

Works the same, looks good, diff colors and cheaper!
blackavenger 2:02 AM - 26 January, 2013
I thought the difference between the Pro & Pus was that the Pro could be adjusted, whereas the Plus was fixed?

I only have some Pros....never even seen a plus, only read about them.
BERTO 2:19 AM - 26 January, 2013
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I thought the difference between the Pro & Pus was that the Pro could be adjusted, whereas the Plus was fixed?

I only have some Pros....never even seen a plus, only read about them.


Plus is fully adjustable like pro, standard is fixed position
BERTO 2:19 AM - 26 January, 2013
Out soon :)
Niro 2:33 AM - 26 January, 2013
Controllers and Auto Sync Suck, Period. Wack is wack.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:18 PM - 26 January, 2013
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im not....i dont see NI handing over their code to nick to profit off of anytime soon
GoodVibez 2:26 PM - 26 January, 2013
NAMM seemed kinda whack this yr
Trinicapone 2:49 PM - 26 January, 2013
This can't be it! There still hope for today!
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:53 PM - 26 January, 2013
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NAMM seemed kinda whack this yr

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nik39 8:51 PM - 26 January, 2013
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NAMM seemed kinda whack this yr

+1

The most boring NAMM for a long time.
blackavenger 10:26 PM - 26 January, 2013
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The most boring NAMM for a long time.

Agreed.
Rebelguy 10:48 PM - 26 January, 2013
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The most boring NAMM for a long time.


Equipment-wise yes. The dj talent at the show and networking possibilities were insane.
nik39 11:08 PM - 26 January, 2013
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The most boring NAMM for a long time.


Equipment-wise yes. The dj talent at the show and networking possibilities were insane.

I am speaking from an overseas, remote POV ;)
Rebelguy 11:33 PM - 26 January, 2013
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The most boring NAMM for a long time.


Equipment-wise yes. The dj talent at the show and networking possibilities were insane.

I am speaking from an overseas, remote POV ;)


Haha. You get the better shows anyway.
Niro 12:16 AM - 27 January, 2013
Not sure what's up with all of the throw away attitude, where new product is expected every year. I'm glad nothing really new was introduced at Namm, hopefully it will give companies a chance to fix bugs let out with gear last year. Hopefully setting some standards equipment wise, and people learn how to use the and push the gear they just bought.

The talent this year was dope.
BERTO 1:04 AM - 27 January, 2013
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Not sure what's up with all of the throw away attitude, where new product is expected every year. I'm glad nothing really new was introduced at Namm, hopefully it will give companies a chance to fix bugs let out with gear last year. Hopefully setting some standards equipment wise, and people learn how to use the and push the gear they just bought.

The talent this year was dope.


+1 on focus point, stability is key!
djdannyd 2:02 AM - 27 January, 2013
I think we are going to have to wait for musikmesse to hear some cool Serato news.
sixxx 2:03 AM - 27 January, 2013
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Not sure what's up with all of the throw away attitude, where new product is expected every year.


It's the way of the world. I don't agree with it though.

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