its not an optibay but some knock off that basically does the same thing. I mean in all honesty, I could dremel that ish and make it fit..So your saying the 1tb scorpio blue is the biggest. man that really sucks ;)

I seriously doubt there's 15mm of clearance anywhere inside a current-model MBP. The 12.5mm drive I used to use was a really tight fit.

At least those 15mm-high 2TB WD drives should be bus powerable.

I am constantly on low space since I decided to go away from using an ext drive (very good decision). However going from 2tb to 1tb int space was and is still a pain.

Anyway, this forces to make sure that my library is kept clean.

Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now, cause I was sick of crates being re ordered due to having the libraries spread on two drives.

Not sure exactly what you mean by "Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now" (I assume you mean "internal" and not "interview", but not sure what you mean about the "mount point")...

I definitely don't miss using external drives, and hope to never have to go back to that.

I solved the last issue by manually changing the mount mount of that secondary internal drive from the regular /Volumes/ExtDrive to something like /vsl_songs. This solved the issue with two databases.

Now I can add vidoes on whatever drive I want, and I don't have to care about sort order and stuff like this. Since I still have space on my primary drive, this also solved my space issue (for a few months I guees).

also, the 12mm drives only fit in the 17" MBP, right?

also, the 12mm drives only fit in the 17" MBP, right?

Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?

Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?

but the pic is the proof there is two 2TB in a 17" with no mods, just a data dubber & a second 2TB drive


mark why cant it fit with out mods??? according to apple techs & tech sheet on my black macbook a 1TB will never fit in my macbook

BUT.....

instagram.com

My homie just put two 2TB in his 17" unibody, after he removed the cd/dvd drive...

instagr.am

maybe it's my laptop as well, but i have a 1TB 5400 RPM drive and i notice some lag especially during bootup. go with 7200 RPM even if you are sacrificing storage space. don't sacrifice the performance side of things. i guess that's why i chose to go with a hybrid drive. SSD would be ideal, but just too expensive to have more space.

I have a 500 gig 5400 rpm 8mb cache internal hard drive in my macbook pro and it works perfect no problem in my 13 inch macbook pro late 2011.

Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?

would like to see the pic with the cover back on

Like I said in the other thread...even if the bottom pan can be screwed back on with the 15mm-height 2TB drive is in there, I'd be VERY concerned (actually, pretty much certain) that it would be pushing into the top of the drive. That's a near-sure recipe for killing the drive.

No way will the 15mm height drive fit in the optical bay. There's not even room for a 12.5mm drive there.

Since the 1tb are hard to find

And 8mb catche and 5400rpm

Well most harddrive issues slow loading waveform cuts outs have been down to 8mb catche and 5400rpm drives even rane and serato will reconmend 16mb+ and 7200rpm and i noticed huge difference in performance with ssl using higher spec drives.

But if it works fine for you lot thats cool but my self im waiting for a higher spec 1tb.

I have a 500 gig 5400 rpm 8mb cache internal hard drive in my macbook pro and it works perfect no problem in my 13 inch macbook pro late 2011.

Sounds like a faulty drive from the start.

Well most harddrive issues slow loading waveform cuts outs have been down to 8mb catche

Maybe im no expert i just see what iv read and always go with the safes route and after seeing ppl say going 16 or above solved there issue i took that on board. I have 32mb catche 750gb 7200rpm hybrid 8gb. Works a charm but looking for a higher spec 1tb to put in the cd bay.

i bought one of those 15mm 1tb 7200rpm HDs for my MBP a while back and it does not work. It barely fits, but the main problem is that they're made for servers not laptops and require a 12V power input while all our laptops only output 5V power.

eshop.macsales.com

Anyone ever use one of these bad boys?

Thanks for the feedback Marine, ordering one today :)

eshop.macsales.com

Anyone ever use one of these bad boys?

www.amazon.com

hefty price of 719$

One of the clubs I spin at overseas has all the subs located around the DJ booth, and vibrations have caused HDD skipping in the past. Im looking to cure this with the SSD drives. Thats my only concern with the Momentus XT 750 runnin in place of the Optical bay.

So you are saying sata3 drives in the optical bay have issues? with late 2011 17 inch mbps have issueS?

I called a local store here in brea and I placed an order for one.

I got my Samsung 830 - 512GB for $390 brand new. Snapped it up ASAP seeing as prices in Australia always tend to be at least 10% more than US pricing.

Mark what do you think of the Momentus Seagate XT 750s vs That WD one you posted? Ive had a bunch of WD's fail me in the past (3.5's)...

Looking to pick this up. I don't spin videos internally (i use firewire external).

www.bhphotovideo.com

Is it easy to install?

It will be my primary. what do you recommend? I also wanted a 7200 in that price range but can't find one.

thanks.

just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.

Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.

No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.

No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.

So this will work fine as my primary?

www.bhphotovideo.com

No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.

just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.

just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.

Not everyone, just you. Still tryna talk shit. Simple fact is you like to degrade someone's personal preference and for trying to put some information out to djs. Instead of trying it out for yourself, you try to find every little invalid reason to oppose it.

All that does is confirm you are a hater and broke.

I was recommended something and what did I do…bought it just to review it. WHat do you do…complain it's not a Rane or Pioneer

You're a bandwagon bitch.

Yea I do dj at some nice clubs. Yea I have done shows with some great artists. Even if I DIDN'T…still doesn't negate the fact that the mixer I posted about is dope

you are just a f*ckin local r*tard

So when you get your rep up and actually get outside of your town and the US….then come hala at me. i'll even send you my presskit and Rider.

According to the Mac techs

Some "Mac Techs" gave you incorrect or incomplete information.

The two internal SATA busses are independent of each other.

Of course, if your boot drive is slow, it will affect the whole system's performance for drive-access-related functions.

But putting in, for example, an older SATA-1 (1.5gb/sec) drive in the optical bay for media, along with a SATA-3 (6gb/sec) SSD in the main bay will NOT slow the operation of the SSD or the rest of the system. Just the media on the slower drive would be affected in that scenario.

And again, techs at Rane/Serato who build this stuff said 7200RPM better.

In 2004-2007, yes. I used 7200rpm drives back then too.

Much less reason to take the tradeoffs of a 7200rpm drive now, already mentioned by DisGrace.

I smoked w SD back in the dizzle ;)

My boot drive runs at 6g (ssd) 2nd drive at 3G (7200) rpm.

No.
The boot drive is quick as shit. under 10 second boot.
Only files I access on boot drive are audio files, or when in windows (parallels) for video editing.

There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though).


There were also issues with SATA-2 drives in some 15-inch MacBook Pro models a couple years back...solution I had to do for a friend's computer in that situation was a firmware "downgrade" so that the internal SATA bus was restricted to SATA-1 speeds (it's worked fine ever since, well over a year now).

So will the western digital green 2tb 2.5 fit in 2011 15" macbook pro?

ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?

ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?

Nevermind I just found my answer!

eshop.macsales.com

I want to clarify this because I just recently did this install. No, it does not fit at all, not even close. The bottom chassis bulges open a big. Also, the WD 2TB 2.5" Drive is 5200 RPMS, not 5400 or 7200. It does however read on the system and work rather well. I have not had a chance to try it with SV or Mix Emergency, but it played individual files (smashvidz) in itunes just as well as my 7200 rpms drives.

I have a black cover on my laptop which snaps on to the body of the mbp. Even though my chassis only buldges open on the bottom left corner, its open by about 1/16th of an inch, and my laptop cover covers over it rather well, so I lucked out on that.

Do i recommend you go out and get this drive do install internally? No I would not if you want a solid running system, unless you can find someone to make you a custom aluminum housing for the bottom of your MBP for an affordable price.

Yes the problem (in the 2011 15/17" MBP's) is that the SATA controller for both bays is nominally SATA-3 but not stable at that speed in the optical bay.

You can normally use a faster drive on a slower bus (SATA-3 drive on a SATA-1 bus, for example) and it will work fine though of course at the SATA-1 speeds.

I want to clarify this because I just recently did this install. No, it does not fit at all, not even close. The bottom chassis bulges open a big. Also, the WD 2TB 2.5" Drive is 5200 RPMS, not 5400 or 7200. It does however read on the system and work rather well. I have not had a chance to try it with SV or Mix Emergency, but it played individual files (smashvidz) in itunes just as well as my 7200 rpms drives.

Special compatibility notes related to use of this product with 6Gb/s SSDs in the following machines:

2011 MacBook Pro 15" (Model ID MacBookPro8,2)
2011 MacBook Pro 17" (Model ID MacBookPro8,3)
•OPTICAL BAY: The optical bay interface in these machines may either be SATA Revision 2.0 3Gb/s OR SATA Revision 3.0 6Gb/s. There is no way to specify/order this data interface with Apple, but you can confirm what interface/link speed version your optical bay offers via the Apple System Profiler.

Testing has demonstrated that Apple factory hardware does not reliably support a 6G (6Gb/s) Solid State Drive or Hard Disk Drive in the optical bay of 2011 MacBook Pros (ModeI ID8,1; 8,2; 8,3). If your OWC Data Doubler bundle comes with a 6G drive, you should ONLY install that drive in the main drive bay and utilize the Data Doubler to re-task your existing drive or install a new 3G SSD or HDD in the optical bay. PRE-2011 models can utilize a 6G drive in the optical bay, but will do so at a reduced 3G (3Gb/s) speed.

2011 MacBook Pro 13" models: Apple does not support the use of 6Gb/s drives in the optical bay. While we have observed a high rate of success using SATA 3.0 6Gb/s drives in Apple 13" bays where 6Gb/s link is present, some systems may not operate properly with this setup. For guaranteed reliability/compatibility, we suggest 6Gb/s drives be used in the main drive bay only, and 3Gb/s hard drives or SSDs be used in the optical bay when a two-drive configuration is desired. We cannot guarantee proper or successful 6Gb/s drive operation in the Apple MacBook Pro 13" optical bay.

2008 MacBook Pro 15" (MacBookPro 5,1; 5,2; 5,3; 5,4; 5,5 and MacBook 5,1)
While a 6G SSD does function in a 2008 MacBook Pro 15" and 13" Macbook, it will only do so at SATA Revision 1.0 (1.5Gb/s) speeds rather that the SATA Revision 2.0 (3.0Gb/s) speed the machine can deliver. Should owners of these machines desire another SSD option, the Mercury Electra™ 3G SSD does run at the full SATA Revision 2.0 (3Gb/s) specification.

So is there still no internal hard drive with a capacity greater than 1TB that will fit in an optibay enclosure?

I'm wondering if >1tb drives of 9.5mm or less will end up coming out as SSD's before mechanical drives of same physical size/larger capacity....

DJ mark Can you prove to me that 5400rpm is fast enough. I have the stock 5400rpm in my optical location right now. and had to move all of my videos onto it recently. My main drive is seagate hybrid 750gb 7200rpm/8gb SSD. since moving video over to the slower drive i have seen significantly slower speeds. The biggest issue is load times for tracks. it used to be instant, now its seconds or wont buffer fast enough to even play un interrupted. the hard drive has 350gb of video and nothing else on it. its not fragmented. So how can you tell me a 5400 is fast enough? do you have technical data proving to me 5400 is fast enough and that something else in my computer is slowing down.

DJ mark Can you prove to me that 5400rpm is fast enough.

So how can you tell me a 5400 is fast enough? do you have technical data proving to me 5400 is fast enough and that something else in my computer is slowing down.

Im not trying to attack him But he posted saying it made no difference so i wanted to see his information.

There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though).

There were also issues with SATA-2 drives in some 15-inch MacBook Pro models a couple years back...solution I had to do for a friend's computer in that situation was a firmware "downgrade" so that the internal SATA bus was restricted to SATA-1 speeds (it's worked fine ever since, well over a year now).

2TB 9.5mm SSD..
www.engadget.com
I'd guess it'll have a $1k+ price when it comes out.

2TB 9.5mm SSD..
www.engadget.com
I'd guess it'll have a $1k+ price when it comes out.

For anyone in Canada, I just bought two of these:
www.ncix.com
HGST Travelstar 1TB SATA3 7200RPM 16MB internal cache. On sale today only for CAD $69.99 (limit 2 per customer)

Gonna put one in my gig laptop and one in my backup laptop. Should be enough for my immediate video storage needs.

I have a 750GB Momentus XT hybrid as my main drive. I'm going to buy one for my secondary drive.

If you plan to put a SATA3 drive in the optical bay as you did before, you're likely to have major issues.

I can pretty much guarantee that SATA-3 drives in 2011 15/17-inch MacBook Pros is a no-go. You'll get beachball and stuttering tracks.

I can pretty much guarantee that SATA-3 drives in 2011 15/17-inch MacBook Pros is a no-go. You'll get beachball and stuttering tracks.

The new Hitachi 1tb/7200rpm drives are SATA-3 btw

Seagate is by far the worst in terms of reliability and probability of catastrophic failure. Also their support/RMA service totally sucks.

www.amazon.com

I just ordered (2) of these babies for my 2TB WD20NPVT Hard Drives. I love the fact that they are USB 3.0 and FW800 + bus powered.

www.amazon.com

I currently use this, and its only limitation is the USB 2.0. My PC computer uses USB 3.0.

I keep my master files on a PC and I use paragon software for HFS+ compatibility.

www.paragon-software.com

Will this guy work in either my main drive or optibay drive?

us.ncix.com

I have a 13" mid 2009 MBP

I will add a single BITCH right now. One of the damn screws holding down the superdrive in my mid '12 macbookpro stripped on 2 different ones I tried (I got one on launch day and the same screw was in too tight).

You mean the threads were stripped, or that the head of the screw was stripped?

13" mid 2009 MBP / 8gig ram / 256 SSD + a 1TB SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB in optibay

works fine with ME / 2.4.2 / mountain lion

Mark told you sata3 wouldnt work. Next time listen to the cat, he knows his ish ;)

1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com

1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com

1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com

Hmmm which of those are better for our application?? I have had my scorpio blue 1TB for a few years now and its still running great but i might replace it as preventative maintenance. The 1.5TB is dope but the hybrid 1TB seems faster (never had a hybrid drive) but all reviews are not for video djing LOL.

See this is Sata 6gbs remeber macs opitbay runs best with 2gbs (for the older ones anyway)

Cool to see the HGST 1.5tb drive in a 9.5mm size. Don't see anyplace actually stocking them (or even listing them) yet though.

SSDs are still too expensive :(

Do you know whether all 2011 models are affected by that issue?

There are no issues at all with any of the MacBook Pro 15” and 13” 2011 Models and 6Gb/s SSD use in the main bay—rock solid reliable.

Okay, so I think Mountain Lion may be the solution - initial testing all shows similar results to the SSD installed in the main bay!

Running BlackMagic's Speed Test, I was able to consistently get 512 MB/s reads and rougly 300 MB/s writes. Activity Monitor confirmed these results (with both 1 and 5 GB tests).

Using Spotlight Privacy to index both drives repeatedly, performance was consistent. The SSD in the optical bay indexed in ~10 minutes, while the main drive (with a fresh install of OS 10.8 only) took ~6 min. As the SSD has half of its 512 GB used by fairly large audio files, I'd say that it may have even outperformed the OS drive in this task (which would be expected).

Also - and the biggest tell here - is that in addition to stable read/write speeds, there was no long SWOD or pauses. Several attempts at indexing in 10.6 Snow Leopard and 10.7 Lion all went well past the 12-hour mark and still had not completed (Activity Monitor would drop to 0 MB/s read for several minutes or hours at a time).
[...]

FYI - the recommendation that 10.8 might resolve the issue was hinted at by an Apple-qualified tech, who mentioned there had been some behind-the-scenes optimizations for SSD's in-general.

I've not ruled out the issue 100%, but I will say that it does look promising. Hopefully whatever changes were made to 10.8 find their way to a 10.7.5 / EFI update soon - I'm still not ready to fully work in Mountain Lion yet.

There are no issues at all with any of the MacBook Pro 15” and 13” 2011 Models and 6Gb/s SSD use in the main bay—rock solid reliable.

Okay, so I think Mountain Lion may be the solution - initial testing all shows similar results to the SSD installed in the main bay!

Now that I have Mountain Lion running on the late-2011 17-inch backup MBP, maybe I'll try testing a SATA-3 device in its optical bay at some point when I have the free time.

You're always one step ahead ;) I just stumbled across issues which mention EFI 1.7 and also 10.8.3.

BTW, did you read this "fix" for the 2011's 17" optibay issues?

sites.google.com

I had an issue with a crucial m4 512 SSD a while back. Installed in the main bay. Had a breakdown after some months, took the SSD back to the store for testing and they could not find any errors (mind you, guys running the store are PC heads, not that much love for mac's.)

When you say "had a breakdown" what exactly happened?

I guess what I'd try doing (if the status of the SSD will allow it, of course) is a clean Mountain Lion installation onto the SSD (put it in a self-powered external case...some SSD's *do not like working on bus-power*), combo update to 10.8.3, download and run SmartUtility (www.volitans-software.com), and see if it shows anything wrong.

what are CRC errors?

Is it really such a big problem? I mean These are detected errors which will be fixed by simple data retransmission on the fly.

Anyone heard of issues regarding the secondary bay affecting the FireWire port?

Code:E, you probably would be best off doing what I did in January: give up on the 17-inch screen size, and get one of the current-model 15-inch MacBook Pros with the "hi-res" option. Then you just don't have the SATA-3 issues at all, and you also have a considerably more powerful machine (especially if you get the fastest 2.7gHz version).

No, but what exactly was in the secondary bay when you were having problems? Were there other symptoms?

I could definitely understand a situation where a system with one drive having an unstable SATA connection could exhibit degraded overall performance (including read/writes from other drives).

the 2TB WD Does not really fit inside the mbp, The case is open a little, but it is covered with a plastic case.

NOTE - the 2TB WD Does not really fit inside the mbp, The case is open a little, but it is covered with a plastic case.

@mark these drives are really thick, I haven't had an issue yet but I do not plan on keeping it in the MVP for the long run.

Ah... 1.5TB available for order now!! Excited....

www.heise.de
HGST Travelstar 5K1500 1.5TB, SATA 6Gb/s (0J28001) 9mm,

HGST Travelstar 5K1500 1.5TB, SATA 6Gb/s (0J28001) 9mm,

HTSC 9mm

I also have the feeling that the new drive runs less hot than the og HGST 750GB which was build in previously.

For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.

Why?

This bloody thing seems to have an aggressive load/unload pattern when in power save mode. DJMark (or anyone else) - do you have any idea how to disable this on a Mac?

hdapm disk0 192

Ah damned, didn't see your comment, DJMark. My browser didn't refresh correctly.

Yes, hdapm fixes the issue :)

smartctl 5.41 2011-04-06 r3314 [i386-apple-darwin9.8.0] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: HGST HTS541515A9E630
Serial Number: xxx
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 74bc053f8
Firmware Version: KA0OA500
User Capacity: 1,500,301,910,016 bytes [1.50 TB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 6
Local Time is: Sat Aug 17 02:24:46 2013 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 45) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 062 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail Offline - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 136 136 033 Pre-fail Always - 1
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 29
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail Offline - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 52
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1287
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 171 171 000 Old_age Always - 35 (Min/Max 24/45)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
223 Load_Retry_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 49 -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 52
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1287

25 power cycles, 52 hours of power on - but 1287 load cycles already. When not in use it was unloading about every 10 seconds.

For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.

Mark will that HD work in my 2011 17 MBP?

Wont i have issues with it being sata 3?

I thought sata 2 was good for the 2011mbp. I thought sata 3 was the problem.

I really don't understand the load cycle thing. I just don't want to go through any problems with a new drive.

RAID. Is it safe and/or advisable to have two 1.5tb hd's in RAID 0 so they show up as 1 3tb drive?

Yes, that is correct.



To keep this really simple: mckinlay.net.nz

To see if you have the problem, download Smart Utility www.volitans-software.com (it runs free for a few times, though I think it's well worth buying as a troubleshooting tool), and re-scan drives a few times. See if "load cycles" accumulate at a higher rate than power cycles. If you've had a drive installed for awhile, you may see many thousands of load cycles.

The issue is that for DJ/VJ use, we really don't want hard drives "unloading"/"reloading" just to save a bit of power.

Ok here is my results of my main drive and optibay drive.

What should i be doing to make my drives perform spot on?

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i installed that hdapm but not sure if it is doing anything or working.

installed it today, ya did rescan straight after and did not notice any difference.

will be upgrading my drives soon to a 1tb hybrid and a 1.5tb optibay so best run that hdapm as soon as i get them.

2TB WD 5200 RPM drive in my primary drive bay

Hey LJ, I would not recommend using a hybrid drive. I was having issues with disappearing wave forms which I thought was my external fw800 2tb wd green hard drive. After multiple attempts of putting my 2tb drive internally, switching out drives, doing everything backwards and forwards I finally decided to say what the hell and put in my old 500gb 5400 Original Apple Hard Drive in the optical bay and I have had zero issues since.

I am running my Apple Toshiba 5400 500GB in my Optibay slot, and my 2TB WD 5200 RPM drive in my primary drive bay.

Whut... 2TB at 9.5mm's and 2.5"!

gizmodo.com

www.seagate.com

3 platters at 667GB

SATA 6Gb/s interface support <- we might get compatibility issues with this, but it shows 5400 RPMS :)

Whut... 2TB at 9.5mm's and 2.5"!

gizmodo.com

So Ive seen reports where they say its a Samsung product, and some reports that its a Seagate product. So which is it? :) Also if its Sata 3, we might have some compatibility issues when using in the optical drive slot....

Seagate bought Samsung Electronics' hard drive business back in December 2011

it is a sata 3 interface, but the samsung specs state that it is backwards compatible with sata 1 & 2.

***i'm buying one immediately so i'll post back if it works or not in my mbp.***

Seagate bought Samsung Electronics' hard drive business back in December 2011

it is a sata 3 interface, but the samsung specs state that it is backwards compatible with sata 1 & 2. i'm buying one immediately so i'll post back if it works or not in my mbp.

if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com

you sure it's not some funky adapter inside or they soldered the adapter to the hard drive like they did a few years ago.

positive. i've seen it with my own eyes. and i have 2 on order. when i get them i'll post up here.

Not sure.. this usually voids the warranty, and even the drive is usually not covered because these kind of drives used in internals have a OEM serial number :(

positive. i've seen it with my own eyes. and i have 2 on order. when i get them i'll post up here.

Yep.

Nevermind, I found it.
docs.google.com

This is the correct drive to purchase -> www.newegg.com

um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.#fail

um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail

I had the same problem with a HD in my OWC data doubler. Pretty sure it is because the is SATA3 (1TB HGST) and the port on my computer is SATA 2.

Hm, you are aware of the sata2 issue on some MacBook s, right.?

I have one on order an but I will use it as the primary drive and not put it where I have the data doubler. Hopefully this works.

Isn't that drive Sata3?

um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail

Try switching spots with the main drive and see if that works.

I've been using the Western Digital WD20NPVT in the main hard drive slot with my OSX Drive where my dvd drive use to be for the past 8 months with no issues.

I too have been doing the same thing for quite a while.

seatgate 750gb/8gb ssd hybrid

my mbp has the 6g port in both locations,

my mbp has the 6g port in both locations, but the data doubler still chokes on the m9t.

Yes, but which exact model MBP do you have?

Not going to work with a SATA 3 drive in the optical bay then. Same issue as Code E had.

Has nothing to do with the actual Data Doubler btw...same issue with any optical bay bracket.

Mark, wasn't there some "fix" in some of the more recent OS updates?

No i think there has been special firmware made for certain drives to work in 2011 optibay.

No i think there has been special firmware made for certain drives to work in 2011 optibay.

Mark do you know anywhere I can get that firmware from to install on my HGST 1tb drive so it will function in my opt bay?

The only way I know of is to buy a drive with that specific SATA-2-limited firmware. Not aware of any way to re-flash the firmware after the fact.

forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1584023.html

Isn't that a Hitachi drive they are talking about?

www.hgst.com like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.

www.hgst.com

Looks like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.

www.seagate.com

It's probably 2 9.5mm raid 0 drives, anyone got a mbp with the usb 3.0?

"It turned out the root cause was neither my MBP, nor the SATA cable, but the Drive itself. When running at full SATA 3 speed, it will be very unstable like. I contacted Hitachi support and ask them for the tool which can modify the drive so that it will run at SATA 2 only. When I got the tool, I used it to force the drive running at SATA 2 speed only. And the drive is now running happily in my machine in the main bay at SATA 2 speed, along with my SSD running at SATA 3 in the optibay."

Okay so it looks like there's a "tool" one can get from Hitachi.

www.hgst.com

Looks like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.

Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!

I've had one since they 1st came out. Love it. I think its the EVO.

But need more internally for storage (1.5TB - 3TB) purposes. Kinda don't want to always carry an external. Although I do for backup purposes.

Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!

Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!

I'm down with an SSD once they have 2 TB for an affordable price ;)

Or the m500's for $439 (960GB though not 1TB)
www.amazon.com

^^^ This! But I foresee us waiting a while

I wouldnt ever expect to see them in a SATA form, most likely they will be PCI-E based hard drives by that point.

This 1.5Tb eshop.macsales.com

We have already seen the 2tb hard drives dont work in the optibay.

Ssd is miles faster than a normaly harddrive and also has no moving parts.

If and when i finnaly get my i7 2.7Ghz 2012 unibody macbookpro 15" then i will get a 1TB ssd in it. And maybe the 1.5tb harddrive for the optibay.

Please scroll up and read the issue with SATA3 drives. It has been discussed multiple times in this thread ;)

Trim and/or SSD and/or which datadoubler you use do not make a difference.

It is simply a SATA2 (3Gbps) vs SATA3 (6Gbps) issue.

Sorry i should have been more clear when using a ssd in the main drive you should enable trim. (This has nothing todo with adding another harddrive to the optibay) :-)

If you really want space i would use the m9t in your main bay then get the 1.5tb from mac sales that has the special firmware for using in the optibay. Least you will have 3.5tb then only 500gb short. And should work well.

Yes you havnt got the bootup speed as no ssd but this is if space really is an issue lools the max you can go at the moment.

It has been stated in this thead the m9t does NOT work in the optibay very at all.

But i guess you can test it all out own your own machine, just to double check.

i can tell you that the m9t does not work in the optibay in certain macbook pros. which ones i do not know. in the two i have, it does not work. so i ended up sending it back.

so my current setup is 1tb ssd (evo) and 1tb spinpoint m8 in the optibay. i think i'll just stick with this until my macbook pro dies.

Why is that? PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops. Do you probably mean mSATA?

I think if using an ssd you have to make sure trim is enabled.

So many of us video guys have 2011 and 2012 MacBooks because we don't want to get stuck with machines that aren't really upgradable (Retina MBP).

No I expect most laptop (and all mac already do) take PCI-e Hard drives. And lacie among other brands are already putting out external drives that hold PCI-e drives and not sata.


Yes you do!

And you need to get a 3rd party Trim Enabler.


YEP!!!! I work at an apple store and get a deal and I still dont want to upgrade just yet from my 2011 17".... But i'm sure as soon as the next generation comes out (with hopefully a faster video card in it) I will buy one.

PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops.

The "retina" MBP's are now using PCIe internal SSD's...that started with the "late 2013" models.

^^^ Awesome! Now I know who to hit up for my upgrade in the very NEAR future. Let me know when the friends/family discount season comes around again ;)

I got the Spinpoint M9T from Amazon today. Popped it into my Optibay and it works!!!

Doing some benchmark tests now with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test app. Gimmie about an hour to post a full initial review with pics, video, and benchmark results.

MBP Specs:
Mid 2012 15" Macbook Pro 9,1
Processor 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)

Also, I would definitely regard 105C as "catastrophic". It's at the rated temperature limit of the CPU and some of the other components, and at the very least WILL (probably drastically) shorten their lifespan.

Interesting review there.

If the drive itself doesn't seem to be throwing off a lot of heat, my next suspicion would be that it's drawing more electrical current than the MBP's electronics are designed to provide an internal hard drive.

If that's the case, it may explain why the drive is only available in external enclosures.

Perhaps if you try putting the drive back, you might check Activity Monitor to see if some application/process might be causing high CPU usage and explaining the high temperatures.

If you don't see any significant CPU usage in that scenario, I'd suspect the electrical requirements of the drive as the problem.

Ok, I put the M9T in the main bay and loaded Lion from Internet recovery. Gonna update to Mavericks now but so far no heat issues. I've been using it for about 40 mins and my Macbook stays between 65-72 degrees C. I actually now have 3.5TB storage but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.

I posted specs right above my review. Did you end up getting one?

This alone was enough for me to shut down and uninstall the M9T. I replaced it with the HGST drive I had in there previously and all is well. Temperatures are back to normal. I do still plan to test the M9T in the main drive. Probably later tonight.

but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.

Not so fast. You have a 2012 MBP. It has a fully working Sata3 port in the optbay if i'm correct. I would give the SSD with the OS a try in the there. I know it will work. My os on my optbay drive. But give it a test and see how fast it is. The SSD "should" not draw as much power.

What are your normal operating temps?

Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.

Same here. Fans have been cleaned. I have no idea why this is happening.

And I'm sure you keep it clean inside like I do. Anyone who has an Optibay is in there enough times that it never gets gunked up to badly. Mine only started overheating in the last few weeks or so. I've had the same setup inside since last April.

I wonder if Mavericks changed the behavior of the fans in some way. Or maybe it changed the way the GPU is utilized.

Code:E, have you tested read/write speeds using the SSD with both ports? I'm sure you're right about the power draw with SSD. I'll prob give it a try later today.

And I'm sure you keep it clean inside like I do. Anyone who has an Optibay is in there enough times that it never gets gunked up to badly. Mine only started overheating in the last few weeks or so. I've had the same setup inside since last April.

I wonder if Mavericks changed the behavior of the fans in some way. Or maybe it changed the way the GPU is utilized.