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Internal Hard Drive solutions?

Millz 9:09 PM - 10 October, 2012
So Seagate's biggest internal is a 750gb. Western Digital claims up to 2tb: www.wdc.com

Im runnin low on space and need to make a new purchase soon. External hard drives are not an option for me at this time. Does anyone have any input or has used these Western Digital drives 1tb and bigger?

Any other companies offering a 1tb or greater internal.

I would be putting this drive into an optibay styled enclosure inside a 2008 unibody.

Holla! and Thanks
Millz 9:10 PM - 10 October, 2012
Millz 9:10 PM - 10 October, 2012
^^link to 2 tb internal storage.
phatbob 9:30 PM - 10 October, 2012
15mm high mate, won't fit in anything.

Their biggest 9.5mm drive is the 1tb Scorpio Blue, I believe.
Millz 9:57 PM - 10 October, 2012
are u sure the 15mm wont fit in an optibay type enclosure
phatbob 10:00 PM - 10 October, 2012
Having installed obtibay type enclosures in 3 different machines, I'm almost 100% certain. 15mm is MASSIVE, even the 12mm size won't fit in obtibays.
phatbob 10:04 PM - 10 October, 2012
Both OWC and MCE state that 9.5mm is the largest that will fit, and that matches my experience. There is not a lot of spare room in an MBP...
Millz 10:04 PM - 10 October, 2012
its not an optibay but some knock off that basically does the same thing. I mean in all honesty, I could dremel that ish and make it fit..So your saying the 1tb scorpio blue is the biggest. man that really sucks ;)
phatbob 10:22 PM - 10 October, 2012
I've only ever used knock-offs too, but they are all basically a straight copy of the Optibay. Unless someone else can confidently contradict me from personal experience I'm afraid you'd be wasting your money with one of the 2tb drives.

Literally just sat here now with my recently removed optical drive in front of me, replacing that with something 15mm high is gonna be a non-starter.
DJMark 10:56 PM - 10 October, 2012
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its not an optibay but some knock off that basically does the same thing. I mean in all honesty, I could dremel that ish and make it fit..So your saying the 1tb scorpio blue is the biggest. man that really sucks ;)


I seriously doubt there's 15mm of clearance anywhere inside a current-model MBP. The 12.5mm drive I used to use was a really tight fit.

At least those 15mm-high 2TB WD drives should be bus powerable.
phatbob 10:58 PM - 10 October, 2012
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its not an optibay but some knock off that basically does the same thing. I mean in all honesty, I could dremel that ish and make it fit..So your saying the 1tb scorpio blue is the biggest. man that really sucks ;)


I seriously doubt there's 15mm of clearance anywhere inside a current-model MBP. The 12.5mm drive I used to use was a really tight fit.

At least those 15mm-high 2TB WD drives should be bus powerable.


Interesting to hear that a 12.5 is usable. I didn't think they were.

Hopefully they might squeeze a 2tb into a 12.5 body soon then.
Dj Nyce 1:07 AM - 13 October, 2012
samsung spinpoint m8 1tb is my favorite 1tb internal at the moment

i have three of them. one in my optical drive bay, and two in my oyen digital enclosure (raid 0).
nik39 11:13 PM - 31 October, 2012
I am constantly on low space since I decided to go away from using an ext drive (very good decision). However going from 2tb to 1tb int space was and is still a pain.

Anyway, this forces to make sure that my library is kept clean.

Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now, cause I was sick of crates being re ordered due to having the libraries spread on two drives.
DJ Baby Boy 12:10 PM - 1 November, 2012
Millz right now I'm runnin two 1tb Scorpio blue internal raid 0 for 2tb and they are running great in both of my machines a 2009 13" Macbook Pro and a 2012 15" Macbook Pro. DJ Nyce I've used the samsung spinpoints as well and they are good drives too but I prefer WD still
DJMark 12:27 PM - 1 November, 2012
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I am constantly on low space since I decided to go away from using an ext drive (very good decision). However going from 2tb to 1tb int space was and is still a pain.

Anyway, this forces to make sure that my library is kept clean.

Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now, cause I was sick of crates being re ordered due to having the libraries spread on two drives.


Not sure exactly what you mean by "Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now" (I assume you mean "internal" and not "interview", but not sure what you mean about the "mount point")...

I'm also dealing with the obvious space issues of using videos and being stuck at a 1tb limit for internal drives. My own solution has been to use bigger SSD's for the boot/apps drive, and have some of the video library on there. Since I use iTunes, that's just a matter of picking appropriate folder locations for the files, then option-dragging new adds into iTunes (the option key tells iTunes not to move the files to the assigned library location, just use them where they are).

I definitely don't miss using external drives, and hope to never have to go back to that.
nik39 12:53 PM - 1 November, 2012
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Not sure exactly what you mean by "Plus I mounted my second interview drive to a different mount point now" (I assume you mean "internal" and not "interview", but not sure what you mean about the "mount point")...

Sorry, that was a different thought. My bad. Yes, I meant internal.

My issue was following:
1. all videos on my external/secondary internal drive
2. that external/secondary internal drive was full
3. primary internal drive has still some space left
4. having two _serato_ folders and databases, which resulted in added complexity (like Scratchtools could only identify dupes on each drive, but not across drives), and also issues like crate and track ordering always lost or mixed.

I solved the last issue by manually changing the mount mount of that secondary internal drive from the regular /Volumes/ExtDrive to something like /vsl_songs. This solved the issue with two databases.

Now I can add vidoes on whatever drive I want, and I don't have to care about sort order and stuff like this. Since I still have space on my primary drive, this also solved my space issue (for a few months I guees).

But i am really starving for a bigger, much bigger drive.

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I definitely don't miss using external drives, and hope to never have to go back to that.

Totally agree. Backing it up was an additional pain (two drives to care about). Carrying around = pain. Setting up, tearing down = additional wasted time. Additional power plug, space for the drive etc.
phatbob 1:36 PM - 1 November, 2012
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I solved the last issue by manually changing the mount mount of that secondary internal drive from the regular /Volumes/ExtDrive to something like /vsl_songs. This solved the issue with two databases.

Now I can add vidoes on whatever drive I want, and I don't have to care about sort order and stuff like this. Since I still have space on my primary drive, this also solved my space issue (for a few months I guees).


That's a really clever solution. Wish I'd known about that when I added a second internal a few months ago. Too late to mess with it now, I guess.
nik39 1:45 PM - 1 November, 2012
Not too late.. I can help you. It involved some trickery, and thank god I had a full backup, but everything was okay at the end :)
phatbob 1:52 PM - 1 November, 2012
I've just been googling around actually, and been a bit scared of what I've found, so yes, actually mate, some help would be good please.

Until I read your post I was quite happy with my 2 volume life, but now I want more/less! ;o)
phatbob 1:56 PM - 1 November, 2012
I can handle the crate order thing (just having a file from each drive in each crate), but to be able to use smart crates again; that would be something special!
nik39 2:01 PM - 1 November, 2012
My initial idea was to build a RAID/NRAID/SPAN/JBOD, but this would have meant that if one drive goes corrupt the likelihood is big that the data on the other drive is also corrupt. Plus it would add more complexitiy.

KISS = Keep it stupid and simple.


Smart crates should work with multiple partitions, I am pretty sure. Which issues do you have?
phatbob 2:06 PM - 1 November, 2012
None of the files on drive 2 populate smart crates automatically.

They do when I make the crate, but when I add new files to the database, only those added from drive 1 get added to the smart crates.
nik39 2:51 PM - 1 November, 2012
Hm, that's weird. I know I had smart crates, but I can not tell with 100% certainty that they repopulated themselves.
phatbob 3:00 PM - 1 November, 2012
I need to investigate further I think, maybe open a help ticket.

The majority of my crates are simply genre crates, it makes life much easier when they just populate themselves.
Qoolee Kid 6:45 PM - 2 November, 2012
also, the 12mm drives only fit in the 17" MBP, right? if a 15mm drive fits in a notebook, it's definitely not any apple machines.

i also use the samsung 1TB 5400rpm drive but i'm looking to swap out the optical drive for a 750gb hybrid drive. personally i stay away from playing directly off an external. had one too many drop outs so i choose to not take that risk anymore.
DJMark 11:21 PM - 2 November, 2012
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also, the 12mm drives only fit in the 17" MBP, right?


They'll also fit in the regular (non-retina) 15" models.

I don't know of any reason to get a 12mm drive as of right now though. The WD 1tb drives have been available in the regular 9mm height for quite awhile.
DJ Baby Boy 1:28 AM - 3 November, 2012
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also, the 12mm drives only fit in the 17" MBP, right?


No the 12mm drives will fit in any of the unibody macbooks including the white ones DJ Mark is right there is no reason to get a 12mm drive since WD has 9mm drives which also work in the optical drive slot which is what I did to get 2tb internal
Dj Scarface 6:47 PM - 4 November, 2012
depends on the type of computer you have... because i know with macs you can fit 1TB in the older none metal cases & 2TB in the newer unibodys/metal case macs.

I have a 1TB WD drive in my old OG Black macbook & it works with no problems.

instagr.am


My homie just put two 2TB in his 17" unibody, after he removed the cd/dvd drive...

instagr.am
nik39 6:52 PM - 4 November, 2012
Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?
DJMark 7:40 PM - 4 November, 2012
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Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?


I don't see how. The 12.5mm 1TB drive was a tight fit (and only would fit into the regular hard drive bay, not in place of the optical), so I don't get how the 15mm-height 2TB drive would fit without maybe modifying the bottom pan of the computer.
Dj Scarface 9:07 PM - 4 November, 2012
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Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?



not sure on the 15" ill look in to that on monday... but the pic is the proof there is two 2TB in a 17" with no mods, just a data dubber & a second 2TB drive


mark why cant it fit with out mods??? according to apple techs & tech sheet on my black macbook a 1TB will never fit in my macbook

BUT.....

instagram.com
phatbob 9:13 PM - 4 November, 2012
The 1tb drives are 9mm though, same as stock. There's no reason your drive wouldn't fit. You were given wrong info there.

Still interested in how those 2tbs fit without the case bulging...
DJMark 10:42 PM - 4 November, 2012
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but the pic is the proof there is two 2TB in a 17" with no mods, just a data dubber & a second 2TB drive


mark why cant it fit with out mods??? according to apple techs & tech sheet on my black macbook a 1TB will never fit in my macbook

BUT.....

instagram.com


That's showing a 1TB drive.

15mm (the thickness of the WD 2TB drive) is nearly the thickness of a 15 or 17 inch MacBook Pro's enclosure. Don't see how a 15mm drive could possibly fit.

In fact, I'm fairly certain that a drive mounted to a "data doubler" type bracket in a MacBook Pro can't even be 12.5 mm...has to be 9.5 mm or less.

I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for someone to fabricate a replacement bottom pan for the MBP that would allow more clearance for thicker drives. It would need to allow enough space (and structural reinforcement) to allow the thicker drives to fit without pressing into the top of the drive mechanism.
DJ DisGrace 11:17 PM - 4 November, 2012
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My homie just put two 2TB in his 17" unibody, after he removed the cd/dvd drive...

instagr.am

would like to see the pic with the cover back on
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:51 PM - 4 November, 2012
2000gb on 8mb catch i hear alot about dropout issues with 8mb drives iv always seen rane serato reconmend 16mb or more.

And at 5400rpm must be bit slow buggy with serato i bet.
Qoolee Kid 3:35 PM - 5 November, 2012
maybe it's my laptop as well, but i have a 1TB 5400 RPM drive and i notice some lag especially during bootup. go with 7200 RPM even if you are sacrificing storage space. don't sacrifice the performance side of things. i guess that's why i chose to go with a hybrid drive. SSD would be ideal, but just too expensive to have more space.
JDforKing 4:09 PM - 5 November, 2012
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maybe it's my laptop as well, but i have a 1TB 5400 RPM drive and i notice some lag especially during bootup. go with 7200 RPM even if you are sacrificing storage space. don't sacrifice the performance side of things. i guess that's why i chose to go with a hybrid drive. SSD would be ideal, but just too expensive to have more space.



I have a 500 gig 5400 rpm 8mb cache internal hard drive in my macbook pro and it works perfect no problem in my 13 inch macbook pro late 2011.
Qoolee Kid 4:59 PM - 5 November, 2012
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I have a 500 gig 5400 rpm 8mb cache internal hard drive in my macbook pro and it works perfect no problem in my 13 inch macbook pro late 2011.


i'm on a 2007 MBP (SR) 2.2 GHz C2D. so it could just be my laptop. but good to know a 5400 is working nicely on the new machines as i'll be upgrading laptops in the upcoming months.
Dj Scarface 3:16 AM - 18 November, 2012
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Does the 2TB fit into a 15" MBP?


yes
Dj Scarface 3:17 AM - 18 November, 2012
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My homie just put two 2TB in his 17" unibody, after he removed the cd/dvd drive...

instagr.am

would like to see the pic with the cover back on


working on a video
DJMark 5:19 AM - 18 November, 2012
Like I said in the other thread...even if the bottom pan can be screwed back on with the 15mm-height 2TB drive is in there, I'd be VERY concerned (actually, pretty much certain) that it would be pushing into the top of the drive. That's a near-sure recipe for killing the drive.

No way will the 15mm height drive fit in the optical bay. There's not even room for a 12.5mm drive there.
phatbob 12:19 PM - 18 November, 2012
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Like I said in the other thread...even if the bottom pan can be screwed back on with the 15mm-height 2TB drive is in there, I'd be VERY concerned (actually, pretty much certain) that it would be pushing into the top of the drive. That's a near-sure recipe for killing the drive.

No way will the 15mm height drive fit in the optical bay. There's not even room for a 12.5mm drive there.


This. MacBook Pros are designed to very exacting tolerances for a reason.

I WISH this was a good idea. I'd love it. But I just can't believe it is.
DJ'Que 7:54 PM - 18 November, 2012
I been looking for a 2tb drive and just recently installed a 1tb Toshiba in my homeboy laptop Macbook pro.

Since the 1tb are hard to find he is a secret on what I do.

I find a pocket drive 119mm x 78.9mm x 16.5mm then I remove the drive and install it inthe laptop and put the other driver back in the portable and now you have pocket drive also.

Well when I was buying this drive I noticed a 1.5tb same spects. Niue I'm liking for a slim 2tb with those numbers.
nik39 8:37 PM - 18 November, 2012
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Since the 1tb are hard to find

Do you mean regular drives or SSDs?
DJ'Que 12:14 AM - 19 November, 2012
Regular but I'm also talking about going and getting then from the store
DJMark 1:19 AM - 19 November, 2012
Regular Western Digital 1TB laptop hard drives are now super easy to find, and the prices are now under $100 (my local computer place had them on sale for $80-something a couple weeks back).

The only 2TB 2.5-inch drive I'm aware of as of now is the Western Digital WD20NPVT (15mm height). It performs great. The only issue there is the 15mm dimension.
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:49 AM - 19 November, 2012
And 8mb catche and 5400rpm
DJMark 11:53 AM - 19 November, 2012
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And 8mb catche and 5400rpm


And works JUST FINE (more than fine) with videos.

The "needs to be 7200rpm" myth is out-of-date by 5 years.
nik39 11:55 AM - 19 November, 2012
1TB are easy to get.

5400RPM drives work fine.

8MB cache size is also sufficient.
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:50 PM - 19 November, 2012
Well most harddrive issues slow loading waveform cuts outs have been down to 8mb catche and 5400rpm drives even rane and serato will reconmend 16mb+ and 7200rpm and i noticed huge difference in performance with ssl using higher spec drives.

But if it works fine for you lot thats cool but my self im waiting for a higher spec 1tb.
JDforKing 2:43 PM - 19 November, 2012
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Well most harddrive issues slow loading waveform cuts outs have been down to 8mb catche and 5400rpm drives even rane and serato will reconmend 16mb+ and 7200rpm and i noticed huge difference in performance with ssl using higher spec drives.

But if it works fine for you lot thats cool but my self im waiting for a higher spec 1tb.


I agree, but only when used as a second hard drive. i just installed a 5400rpm 8mb cache in my computer as a second hard drive (optibay) and had many drop outs and pinwheels . This drive was only used for videos. This may work well for mp3s but I'm assuming the problems I encountered were due to using the drive for videos.
JDforKing 2:46 PM - 19 November, 2012
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maybe it's my laptop as well, but i have a 1TB 5400 RPM drive and i notice some lag especially during bootup. go with 7200 RPM even if you are sacrificing storage space. don't sacrifice the performance side of things. i guess that's why i chose to go with a hybrid drive. SSD would be ideal, but just too expensive to have more space.



I have a 500 gig 5400 rpm 8mb cache internal hard drive in my macbook pro and it works perfect no problem in my 13 inch macbook pro late 2011.


This is the drive that came with the computer and worked fine. The problem i had was with the second hard drive installed in my optibay.
Millz 5:06 PM - 19 November, 2012
Sounds like a faulty drive from the start.
JDforKing 5:22 PM - 19 November, 2012
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Sounds like a faulty drive from the start.



Just installed a 7200rpm 16 cache in its place. Its like night and day. It definitely wasn't the drive. I have a buddy that owns an apple Specialist store and he told me that the 5400rpm 8cache drive wont function as well as a 7200rpm 16cache drive. Now i see what he was talking about.
Millz 5:23 PM - 19 November, 2012
interesting indeed :)
nik39 5:25 PM - 19 November, 2012
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Well most harddrive issues slow loading waveform cuts outs have been down to 8mb catche

I highly doubt that.
DJ'Que 5:45 PM - 19 November, 2012
Been using a 5400 with 8mb cache with no problems for over a year now doin video.
LJ_WOOLSEY 5:46 PM - 19 November, 2012
Maybe im no expert i just see what iv read and always go with the safes route and after seeing ppl say going 16 or above solved there issue i took that on board. I have 32mb catche 750gb 7200rpm hybrid 8gb. Works a charm but looking for a higher spec 1tb to put in the cd bay.
JDforKing 6:10 PM - 19 November, 2012
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Maybe im no expert i just see what iv read and always go with the safes route and after seeing ppl say going 16 or above solved there issue i took that on board. I have 32mb catche 750gb 7200rpm hybrid 8gb. Works a charm but looking for a higher spec 1tb to put in the cd bay.


I definitely agree with you. If i'm understanding my buddy correctly he told me there is a misconception about the cd bay being sata based. The main drive that came with my macbook pro works well with videos and its a 5400 8cache. I have about 30 gigs of videos installed on it for back up to my external. The problem i had was the a 5400rpm installed in my cd bay. This was the second 5400 drive i had to send back. My 7200 drive taken out of my owc external and installed works better. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm not an expert either i'm just sharing experiences.
DJMark 11:24 PM - 19 November, 2012
There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though).

There were also issues with SATA-2 drives in some 15-inch MacBook Pro models a couple years back...solution I had to do for a friend's computer in that situation was a firmware "downgrade" so that the internal SATA bus was restricted to SATA-1 speeds (it's worked fine ever since, well over a year now).
Millz 12:44 PM - 20 November, 2012
www.newegg.com

960ssd? Have any of you guys messed with any of these SSD's above 512gb? Will it fit in the unibody?
popnwave 5:38 PM - 20 November, 2012
Yowza not a lot of reviews at that price point.
phatbob 6:04 PM - 20 November, 2012
Yeah, that was my first thought when I googled it. I don't think I'd be happy dropping a grand on a drive which hasn't been reviewed by places like Anandtech or PC Perspective.
Millz 6:40 PM - 20 November, 2012
Im not runnin out and buying it, but I can see it coming down in price and have a possible use for them in the future.
popnwave 6:53 PM - 20 November, 2012
the 256s seem to be the sweet spot before prices jump into the stratosphere right now. I wouldn't mind a 480 from OWC once they come down in price a little. I could do all of my audio on one of those and keep the 1TB for the videos :D
D-Twizzle 4:43 PM - 21 November, 2012
i bought one of those 15mm 1tb 7200rpm HDs for my MBP a while back and it does not work. It barely fits, but the main problem is that they're made for servers not laptops and require a 12V power input while all our laptops only output 5V power.
DJMark 12:02 AM - 22 November, 2012
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i bought one of those 15mm 1tb 7200rpm HDs for my MBP a while back and it does not work. It barely fits, but the main problem is that they're made for servers not laptops and require a 12V power input while all our laptops only output 5V power.


Plus it would probably cook itself to death in a laptop.

When you say "barely fits"...was the bottom pan pushing into the top of the drive? Based on measurements (and previous experience using 12.5mm drives in a MBP) that's what I'd expect to be happening.
xplycyt 9:29 AM - 23 November, 2012
Oh snap! Project SSDelight complete...for now!

Replaced the hard drive spot with a 512GB 6Gb/s SSD and the optical drive with the 500GB Hybrid drive I was using. Got all apps on the SSD and videos on the hybrid - not enough space for the videos but the drive works flawlessly and has good speed so figured I could keep using it until there were more 1TB options or hell - cheaper 960GB SSDs.

Speed is fantastic but unfortunately my laptop has SATA 2 so not milking the most out of my SSD. Bought it anyway (for $390!!!!!) seeing as I might be upgrading my laptop soon.

Man oh man - feels like I got a brand new machine! Now to see how it performs at my gig tomorrow night. Will def feel weird not having an external that keeps disconnecting mid-gig.

instagr.am
Millz 2:43 PM - 26 November, 2012
eshop.macsales.com

Anyone ever use one of these bad boys?
Marine 3:30 PM - 26 November, 2012
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Anyone ever use one of these bad boys?


I have them in both my 2011 17inch macbook pros and I use modul8 with serato and mix emergency with no performance issues. I also have the kontrol x1 and ipad with touch osc running no issues it works like i was just running serato with just mix emergency.
Millz 3:53 PM - 26 November, 2012
Thanks for the feedback Marine, ordering one today :)
Marine 4:20 PM - 26 November, 2012
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Thanks for the feedback Marine, ordering one today :)


No Problem , You won't be disapointed I also bought a program called super duper it was cheap and it makes it super easy to clone your old hard drive so you don't lose anything. It also makes it easy to smart update your music such a time saver. Also I would get a set of precision screwdrivers ifixit sells the same set the apple store uses. When I put data doublers in my 17inch macbook pro I stripped one of the screws with the screwdriver that came with the kit from owc and it was a bitch to get out. The ifixit set saves a lot of headaches.
Millz 4:31 PM - 26 November, 2012
I have super duper. I use it :)
Millz 4:32 PM - 26 November, 2012
I have a craftsman screwdriver set that works as well. Im going to put one of these 480s in primary and use a 750 Seagate momentus XT in place of dvd rom.
DJMark 11:07 PM - 26 November, 2012
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eshop.macsales.com

Anyone ever use one of these bad boys?


I've used OWC's SSD's in the past, but I'd recommend one of the Samsung 830 or 840 Pro models instead.

Advantages of the Samsung: outstanding stability/reliability compared to most, much higher performance when dealing with incompressible data, and lower heat production/power-consumption.

The OWC (and very similar OCZ) SSD's are using Sandforce controllers that employ data compression. They also use WAY more power than the Samsung drives, and I've seen this cause stability issues when using them in external enclosures (such as when cloning from an older drive). And the OWC 480gb 6G drive is still about as expensive as the 512gb Samsung 840 pro, despite having much lower performance (especially incompressible writes).

The Samsung SSD's that were out a few years ago were fairly unimpressive, but they've really stepped things up with the 830 and 840 series.
Millz 12:10 AM - 27 November, 2012
www.amazon.com

hefty price of 719$
DJMark 12:15 AM - 27 November, 2012
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hefty price of 719$


Central Computer here in SF sold me mine for $570. They're $600 at Newegg.
Millz 12:16 AM - 27 November, 2012
ok great, thanks for the help Mark. I am in the process of upgrading to a newer mbp and i may just run 2 of these instead of the 750 momentus xt hybrid...
DJMark 12:31 AM - 27 November, 2012
I don't think you'd regret that. Obviously the 840 Pro series just came out, so it's too soon to have any real reliability stats...but the last two generations of Samsung SSD's have an outstanding reputation for reliability. They're also one of the few (if not the only) SSD products that's an entirely in-house integrated design.

The thickness of the Samsung 830/840 SSD's is 7mm...a couple mm thinner than the "standard" laptop-drive height. Still fits perfectly in a MacBook Pro. Might need a bit of shimming in other laptops that employ different means for mounting internal drives.

Just for reference...my own configurations are:

Main: 17-inch late-2011 MBP, Samsung 840 Pro 512gb and WD10JPVT 1tb.
Backup: 17-inch mid-2010 MBP, Samsung 830 512gb and WD10JPVT 1tb.

My reason for getting the bigger SSD's was due to running out of room on the 1tb "media" drive...so the overflow is going onto the SSD's.
DJMark 12:35 AM - 27 November, 2012
I'm also noticing that the guy claiming to have put two of the 15mm 2tb drives into a MacBook Pro has fallen curiously silent on that subject for the last couple weeks.
Millz 12:37 AM - 27 November, 2012
One of the clubs I spin at overseas has all the subs located around the DJ booth, and vibrations have caused HDD skipping in the past. Im looking to cure this with the SSD drives. Thats my only concern with the Momentus XT 750 runnin in place of the Optical bay.
DJMark 12:45 AM - 27 November, 2012
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One of the clubs I spin at overseas has all the subs located around the DJ booth, and vibrations have caused HDD skipping in the past. Im looking to cure this with the SSD drives. Thats my only concern with the Momentus XT 750 runnin in place of the Optical bay.


Yep, it's possible that mounting a conventional HD in the optical bay might make it a bit more sensitive to vibrations since the regular bay employs a bit of "mechanical" shock reduction.

In my older laptop, mounting the SSD to the optical-bay adapter was my preferred configuration for that reason, but then with the 2011 MBP's came SATA-3 and the issues with SATA-3 drives connected in place of the optical drive...

Haven't seen any negative issues with the WD 1tb drive in the optical adapter, but I'm guessing the situation you're describing is more bass-heavy than anywhere I've played.
Millz 1:25 AM - 27 November, 2012
So you are saying sata3 drives in the optical bay have issues? with late 2011 17 inch mbps have issueS?
DJMark 2:10 AM - 27 November, 2012
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So you are saying sata3 drives in the optical bay have issues? with late 2011 17 inch mbps have issueS?


Yes. SATA-2 drives are okay, but lots of reports of problems with SATA-3 drives in the optical bay on 15 and 17-inch 2011 MBP's. Apparently the problem doesn't affect the 13-inch model.
Culprit 1:08 AM - 28 November, 2012
I called a local store here in brea and I placed an order for one. The lady even asked me straight up, "your upgrading your macbook pro? this is a macbook pro hard drive". I didnt even mention what pc i was upgrading
DJMark 3:38 AM - 28 November, 2012
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I called a local store here in brea and I placed an order for one.


One of what?
xplycyt 5:11 AM - 28 November, 2012
I got my Samsung 830 - 512GB for $390 brand new. Snapped it up ASAP seeing as prices in Australia always tend to be at least 10% more than US pricing.
Millz 5:33 AM - 28 November, 2012
Thats a pretty good deal, considering they are going for 500-600$ for the 830 512 right now
Millz 5:36 AM - 28 November, 2012
www.newegg.com

the business? :D
Millz 5:47 AM - 28 November, 2012
Mark what do you think of the Momentus Seagate XT 750s vs That WD one you posted? Ive had a bunch of WD's fail me in the past (3.5's)...
DJMark 9:42 AM - 28 November, 2012
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I got my Samsung 830 - 512GB for $390 brand new. Snapped it up ASAP seeing as prices in Australia always tend to be at least 10% more than US pricing.


That's about what mine was a few weeks ago...guess some places are blowing them out cheap because of the newer 840/840 Pro series.

The 500gb Samsung 840 (non-"pro") drives are $399 now. Marginal improvement over the 830 series though.
DJMark 10:06 AM - 28 November, 2012
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Mark what do you think of the Momentus Seagate XT 750s vs That WD one you posted? Ive had a bunch of WD's fail me in the past (3.5's)...


I've also had a few WD 3.5-inch drives fail on me (all handled through RMA process very satisfactorily though)...also SMART data alerted me to the impending issues before I actually had any data loss in all cases.

I've had many more problems with Seagate drives of all sizes (and their RMA process seems designed to discourage people from ever using it). Some of those were "sudden no-warning drive death" scenarios with no advance warnings from SMART data.

Also Apple has had several recalls over the last few years for hard drive issues...all of them Seagate-related. Both in laptops and desktops.

Seagate is on my "will never buy from this company again" list.

I've had zero failures with WD's 2.5-inch laptop drives, not have any of my friends I've set up with them. Sample size...maybe 50 drives over the last 4-5 years. Also had excellent results with Hitachi's laptop drives for years, though their drive-manufacturing was bought out by WD a year or two ago.
Millz 7:47 PM - 28 November, 2012
Im reading more about MLC and TLC, your thoughts?
Millz 9:07 PM - 28 November, 2012
Now I cant find any deals on these 840 pros...cheaper places all out of stock for weeks....
Millz 9:13 PM - 28 November, 2012
Ive seen several different optibay options. Be nice to have one that has screw points all around rather than just one or none (seen both)...
DJMark 1:35 AM - 29 November, 2012
I guess TLC is a newer technology that's supposed to be less expensive? I don't that much of a cost saving yet though...

I've had one of the OWC optical bay adapters for a few years now (screws into one side of the drive)...works fine. Ordered one of the MCE adapters for my other laptop recently, hasn't arrived yet though. Main reason I decided to try the MCE is because they offer an enclosure for the slot-load optical drive to go in, something not offered by OWC. Not sure how mounting works on the MCE adapter yet...will find out soon enough.

I think Central Computer will do mail-order... have not seen anywhere (online or physical) offering the Samsung 840 Pro 512gb for less than the $569 they're selling it for.
Millz 1:41 AM - 29 November, 2012
www.dhgate.com

I found this, and from what it looks like, it screws in to the actual chassis of the computer in more than one place. The one I have now only screws in at one point.
Millz 2:24 AM - 29 November, 2012
Ive seen 12.7mm, and 9.5mm versions....of the caddy....
lvmez 2:51 AM - 29 November, 2012
Looking to pick this up. I don't spin videos internally (i use firewire external).

www.bhphotovideo.com

Is it easy to install?
Millz 2:55 AM - 29 November, 2012
as a 2ndary? yea its cake. As primary, its even easier. Although I dont suggest running it as a primary. You will need an Optical Bay Caddy if you plan to use it as internal 2ndary, there are a ton of different ones ranging in price....
lvmez 3:34 AM - 29 November, 2012
It will be my primary. what do you recommend? I also wanted a 7200 in that price range but can't find one.

thanks.
Millz 3:36 AM - 29 November, 2012
I mean, cheaping out on your primary drive isnt really an option when spinning videos....Ill let Mark answer that for ya as I havnt used anything but SSD's since day 1 with my Macbook pro.
lvmez 3:45 AM - 29 November, 2012
I don't spin videos from my laptop, only external drive.
Millz 3:53 AM - 29 November, 2012
I would think any 16mb, 7200 drive would work then...
lvmez 3:57 AM - 29 November, 2012
ok, thanks.
DJMark 10:59 AM - 29 November, 2012
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Looking to pick this up. I don't spin videos internally (i use firewire external).

www.bhphotovideo.com

Is it easy to install?


I used 5400rpm drives for both the boot/apps and media for awhile with videos...it worked just fine. I personally partitioned the drive into "boot/apps" and "media" because I figured it would help with file-fragmentation some, but I don't think it's strictly necessary.

If you need a TB inside your computer and are (for whatever reason) using externals for media it will certainly work.

That said...to paraphrase..."once you go SSD you never go back". Using a good SSD for the boot/apps drive will make anything involving drive access "feel" a lot faster.

I'm personally a big advocate of using SSD's in that way (and for media overflow, if needed), and using a second larger internal drive (I personally have the exact same 1TB WD drive) in place of the optical. I hate using external drives at gigs, and an internal will perform better and more reliably anyway.
DJ TeeOh 3:17 PM - 29 November, 2012
The ideal setup for DJs:

150+ GB SSD in the housing bay.

&

500-750 GB HYBRID SSD+HDD
6Gb/s + 32MB cache @7200RPM (in the Optibay).


Links:
www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Necessary programs on the primary drive + dj software

2nd drive, everything else.

Been running this in both my MBPs 15" for over a year now. No issues and it's smooth.

I run Ableton, Serato video, Maschine, Final Cut Pro, Adobe Master Collection, and more…all with no issues.

Start up/searching/loading is faster than when I bought the MBP stock.
DJ TeeOh 3:19 PM - 29 November, 2012
No matter what HDD you select, get a 7200RPM.

If you are using 2 drives make sure they match.

Example, both my drives are 6 GB/s

Otherwise one will process faster than the other. If one is only 1GB/s…..it doesn't matter how much faster the other is.
DJ TeeOh 3:20 PM - 29 November, 2012
Same thing for the RPM.

Both drives should be 7200RPM
DJ TeeOh 3:29 PM - 29 November, 2012
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It will be my primary. what do you recommend? I also wanted a 7200 in that price range but can't find one.

thanks.


This drive is dope.

For djing…especially video…you need to have the fastest drive possible. If you can't afford to drop $200-$400 on a good SSD it's understandable.

HOWEVER, never get a 5400RPM drive. You might as well make the videos live. lol. But seriously the faster the drive spins the faster it processes.

Also, don't just get any drive. Look at the specs. For video the best process rate is 6GB/s.

Now, if you use 2 hard drives….external OR internal….both drives need to match.

Example, both drives would be 3GB/s @7200RPM

Reason being…if you buy a Nascar but put regular gas in it, how fast will it go? Simple, you don't put regular gas in it.

Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.
DJ TeeOh 3:29 PM - 29 November, 2012
Sorry here's the link:
www.amazon.com
lvmez 4:06 PM - 29 November, 2012
Thanks for the info. I'm going to go with the one you posted.
Culprit 4:50 PM - 29 November, 2012
I have the momentus hybrid 500 as my main (at the time the 750gb was not out yet) and I love it
djpuma_gemini 5:43 PM - 29 November, 2012
256GB SSD Main (audio and OS)
750GB 7200RPM (Optibay) (videos)
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:28 PM - 29 November, 2012
Iv herd only 2g drives work well in the bay. So a 6g would prob have issues and i have seen on the forums ppl say the hybid was no good in the bay only good as the main hdd.
Dj Nyce 6:49 PM - 29 November, 2012
just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.
DJMark 8:23 PM - 29 November, 2012
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just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.


I also went from a Vertex 3 (240gb) to a Samsung 840 Pro (512) and can notice a speed improvement even without measuring.

And yes, in certain MacBook Pro models there are different issues with drives mounted in the optical bay. 2011 15 and 17-inch drives have issues with SATA-3 drives in the optical bay (SATA-2 drives are fine).
DJMark 8:30 PM - 29 November, 2012
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Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.


No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.
DJ DisGrace 8:39 PM - 29 November, 2012
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Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.


No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.

But DJMark, how can you argue with a guy that plays internationally at superclubs? We are just chumps that can't even tie shoelaces for Snoop Dogg...
Millz 8:40 PM - 29 November, 2012
I smoked w SD back in the dizzle ;)
Millz 8:40 PM - 29 November, 2012
0__o
Dj Nyce 9:09 PM - 29 November, 2012
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Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.


No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.


agreed
lvmez 9:22 PM - 29 November, 2012
So this will work fine as my primary?

www.bhphotovideo.com
DJMark 9:31 PM - 29 November, 2012
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So this will work fine as my primary?

www.bhphotovideo.com


Yes.

When my early-2009 MBP was new, I had everything running from an internal WD 640-gig drive. The 1tb drive has considerably better performance than the 640gb drive had.
lvmez 10:50 PM - 29 November, 2012
Thanks
DJ TeeOh 4:31 AM - 30 November, 2012
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Buying a 6GB/s drive and then adding a 3GB/s drive is just like that. One will slow down the other.


No, they won't. That is completely incorrect.

Assuming we're talking about MacBook Pro's here, the two internal SATA busses are independent and will run at their own speeds. One WILL NOT slow the other down. You can confirm that both by running benchmark tests on both drives, and checking their "negotiated link speeds" in System Profiler.

Also the "need" for 7200rpm drives is fiction. More speed is always nice, and my preference is to run at least the OS and apps from an SSD anyway. But a modern 5400 rpm drive is plenty fast for video DJ-ing.



According to the Mac techs it will. Running one as the boot drive…if it is slower than the 2nd drive, the system will operate at the boot drive speed. Maybe I worded it incorrectly. My bad.
DJ TeeOh 4:33 AM - 30 November, 2012
And again, techs at Rane/Serato who build this stuff said 7200RPM better. 5400 will work but doesn't mean 7200 isn't better. And as I said, I use my mac for multiple things not jus VJing. The speed does help.
DJ TeeOh 4:34 AM - 30 November, 2012
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just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.
DJ TeeOh 4:35 AM - 30 November, 2012
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just replaced my ocz vertex 3 with a samsung 840 in my desktop. ran aja speed test and the it's def faster. can't wait to get 2nd one and run it in raid 0.



My bad, hit the wrong button. Have you run the new 840 & 830 SSDs? I was looking at one yesterday and heard it they are super smooth.
DJ TeeOh 4:41 AM - 30 November, 2012
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But DJMark, how can you argue with a guy that plays internationally at superclubs? We are just chumps that can't even tie shoelaces for Snoop Dogg...


Not everyone, just you. Still tryna talk shit. Simple fact is you like to degrade someone's personal preference and for trying to put some information out to djs. Instead of trying it out for yourself, you try to find every little invalid reason to oppose it. All that does is confirm you are a hater and broke. I was recommended something and what did I do…bought it just to review it. WHat do you do…complain it's not a Rane or Pioneer. lol. You're a bandwagon bitch.

Yea I do dj at some nice clubs. Yea I have done shows with some great artists. Even if I DIDN'T…still doesn't negate the fact that the mixer I posted about is dope and you are just a fuckin local retard. So when you get your rep up and actually get outside of your town and the US….then come hala at me. i'll even send you my presskit and Rider.
DJ DisGrace 5:15 AM - 30 November, 2012
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Not everyone, just you. Still tryna talk shit. Simple fact is you like to degrade someone's personal preference and for trying to put some information out to djs. Instead of trying it out for yourself, you try to find every little invalid reason to oppose it.

No. I said it didn't have booth out, so it didn't suit my needs. You proceeded to name drop and talk a big name, implying that if I was as good as you, I wouldn't need to worry about such a trivial feature as booth out.

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All that does is confirm you are a hater and broke.

It confirms I know which feature set I like my mixers to have.

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I was recommended something and what did I do…bought it just to review it. WHat do you do…complain it's not a Rane or Pioneer

I never mentioned any brands. You did.


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You're a bandwagon bitch.

I've used plenty of mixers, most with booth out. I prefer my Rane because it's reliable, well built, and does exactly what I need it to do.

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Yea I do dj at some nice clubs. Yea I have done shows with some great artists. Even if I DIDN'T…still doesn't negate the fact that the mixer I posted about is dope

I'm sure it's fine. Just like many other mixers out there. But many of us stated lacking booth out was a deal breaker. This is when you proceeded to showboat with your list of clubs and shows. For some some reason you thought this would make us overlook our required feature set. Again, for talking such a big game, being such an international star, and playing 1000+ venues all the time, that list you posted is weak. A lot of us "local r*tards" have longer and better lists, but we don't go throwing it out there for whatever reason.

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you are just a f*ckin local r*tard

You don't know ishhh about me...

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So when you get your rep up and actually get outside of your town and the US….then come hala at me. i'll even send you my presskit and Rider.

I'm surprised you haven't posted this already.





Sorry for the threadjack.... The thread where you were called out for posting incorrect, second-hand information as first-hand fact. Pretty sure it's not the only thread where you got called out for posting BS too....




On topic.... I have a Seagate 750GB Momentus XT as my main drive. No complaints here, just gets hot and the 7200rpm causes noticeably more vibrations.
DJMark 5:21 AM - 30 November, 2012
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According to the Mac techs


Some "Mac Techs" gave you incorrect or incomplete information.

The two internal SATA busses are independent of each other.

Of course, if your boot drive is slow, it will affect the whole system's performance for drive-access-related functions.

But putting in, for example, an older SATA-1 (1.5gb/sec) drive in the optical bay for media, along with a SATA-3 (6gb/sec) SSD in the main bay will NOT slow the operation of the SSD or the rest of the system. Just the media on the slower drive would be affected in that scenario.
DJ TeeOh 5:24 AM - 30 November, 2012
Lol, that's what you are going on about? Names came after you start mouthing when i said that's not how it's done where I perform.

Showboating? Because I said alot of places I spin at the sound engineer controls the monitors? Perhaps it's not like what you are used too. On stage where there are like 6 monitors facing back at me and the volume is plenty loud, I don't need to adjust. Artists perform and they can tell the engineer to crank them up. When I'm up there by myself, the volume is plenty loud so I don't need to crank them up.

Nevertheless you like your Rane, I like this one so there ya go. Stick to what you know.
DJ TeeOh 5:25 AM - 30 November, 2012
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According to the Mac techs


Some "Mac Techs" gave you incorrect or incomplete information.

The two internal SATA busses are independent of each other.

Of course, if your boot drive is slow, it will affect the whole system's performance for drive-access-related functions.

But putting in, for example, an older SATA-1 (1.5gb/sec) drive in the optical bay for media, along with a SATA-3 (6gb/sec) SSD in the main bay will NOT slow the operation of the SSD or the rest of the system. Just the media on the slower drive would be affected in that scenario.


I understand your correct. I should have said the media won't be faster just because the other drive added is faster. I didn't mean it will actually slow the other drive down. Again, my bad.
DJMark 5:25 AM - 30 November, 2012
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And again, techs at Rane/Serato who build this stuff said 7200RPM better.


In 2004-2007, yes. I used 7200rpm drives back then too.

Much less reason to take the tradeoffs of a 7200rpm drive now, already mentioned by DisGrace.
DJ TeeOh 5:28 AM - 30 November, 2012
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And again, techs at Rane/Serato who build this stuff said 7200RPM better.


In 2004-2007, yes. I used 7200rpm drives back then too.

Much less reason to take the tradeoffs of a 7200rpm drive now, already mentioned by DisGrace.



I completely agree. Some people don't mind the added heat or alittle more noise. Just like the speed of an SSD sometimes is acceptable at the loss of space.

Even though the 2 are alot closer now on specs, I still go with a 7200. It may be only alittle faster but sometimes that's worth it.
DJ TeeOh 5:31 AM - 30 November, 2012
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I smoked w SD back in the dizzle ;)


Lol, on that good ish??

He got banned from coming to Japan. He came here once before. I think the local authorities didn't know much about him. But this last time, they wouldn't let him in the country because of past drug charges. Had to turn around and fly back to the States.
djpuma_gemini 6:04 AM - 30 November, 2012
My boot drive runs at 6g (ssd) 2nd drive at 3G (7200) rpm.
DJ TeeOh 6:16 AM - 30 November, 2012
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My boot drive runs at 6g (ssd) 2nd drive at 3G (7200) rpm.


Do you notice a lag in the files you access on the boot drive vs one on the 2nd drive?
djpuma_gemini 6:38 AM - 30 November, 2012
No.
The boot drive is quick as shit. under 10 second boot.
Only files I access on boot drive are audio files, or when in windows (parallels) for video editing.
DJ TeeOh 6:52 AM - 30 November, 2012
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No.
The boot drive is quick as shit. under 10 second boot.
Only files I access on boot drive are audio files, or when in windows (parallels) for video editing.



I used to run a similar set up but was advised that running 6GB/s on both drives would improve performance. Not saying it's gonna drastically change. My start time is roughly the same. It was worse but this Hybrid drive works like it says and cut the time down.

Before I had video on both and the ones on the 2nd drive were a bit slower. Nothing bad though. Could have just been that the 2nd drive had more files on it or something.

I use FCP7 & Adobe for video so I wanted to get as much speed as possible.

Do you edit files stored on the boot or 2nd drive?

I edit videos stored on the boot drive, then move them over to the 2nd drive. Seems a bit faster, especially rendering.
Daktyl 11:07 AM - 30 November, 2012
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There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though).


There were also issues with SATA-2 drives in some 15-inch MacBook Pro models a couple years back...solution I had to do for a friend's computer in that situation was a firmware "downgrade" so that the internal SATA bus was restricted to SATA-1 speeds (it's worked fine ever since, well over a year now).


Mark, can you elaborate on this? i'm deciding on a new hdd for an older machine and came across this thread. Can you explain what you mean by "misbehaving internal SATA bus," like what that means and how exactly to fix it?

btw, after searching this site and a few others, these are the two drives i've narrowed it down to... anyone had any bad experiences with either or care to comment?
www.newegg.com
www.newegg.com
DJMark 9:45 PM - 3 December, 2012
"Misbehaving SATA bus"...means that the SATA bus in question nominally supports a data rate that it may not actually be stable at.

2011 15 and 17 inch MacBook Pros that introduced SATA-3 are one example. Both the SATA connections for the normal hard drive bay and the optical drive are nominally SATA-3, but the optical-drive SATA connection is not stable at its full speed.

One can easily conjecture that in design and testing that issue was either not caught or deemed important because the shipping optical drives don't run at SATA-3 speeds.

As far as your hard drive choices, Hitachi and Western Digital have been my preferred choices for years.
DJ TeeOh 1:06 AM - 4 December, 2012
Good to know. Thanks
Daktyl 11:55 AM - 5 December, 2012
ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?
Cortez 6:41 PM - 5 December, 2012
So will the western digital green 2tb 2.5 fit in 2011 15" macbook pro?
nik39 7:10 PM - 5 December, 2012
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So will the western digital green 2tb 2.5 fit in 2011 15" macbook pro?

Have you read this thread carefully?
Cortez 8:07 PM - 5 December, 2012
Nevermind I just found my answer!

eshop.macsales.com
Culprit 8:16 PM - 5 December, 2012
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ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?


I want to clarify this because I just recently did this install. No, it does not fit at all, not even close. The bottom chassis bulges open a big. Also, the WD 2TB 2.5" Drive is 5200 RPMS, not 5400 or 7200. It does however read on the system and work rather well. I have not had a chance to try it with SV or Mix Emergency, but it played individual files (smashvidz) in itunes just as well as my 7200 rpms drives.

I have a black cover on my laptop which snaps on to the body of the mbp. Even though my chassis only buldges open on the bottom left corner, its open by about 1/16th of an inch, and my laptop cover covers over it rather well, so I lucked out on that.

Do i recommend you go out and get this drive do install internally? No I would not if you want a solid running system, unless you can find someone to make you a custom aluminum housing for the bottom of your MBP for an affordable price.
DJMark 9:20 PM - 5 December, 2012
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ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?


Yes the problem (in the 2011 15/17" MBP's) is that the SATA controller for both bays is nominally SATA-3 but not stable at that speed in the optical bay.

You can normally use a faster drive on a slower bus (SATA-3 drive on a SATA-1 bus, for example) and it will work fine though of course at the SATA-1 speeds.
DJMark 9:23 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Nevermind I just found my answer!

eshop.macsales.com


Not my preferred brand of drive, but that will fit in the regular drive bay of a MacBook Pro.
DJMark 9:25 PM - 5 December, 2012
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ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?


I want to clarify this because I just recently did this install. No, it does not fit at all, not even close. The bottom chassis bulges open a big. Also, the WD 2TB 2.5" Drive is 5200 RPMS, not 5400 or 7200. It does however read on the system and work rather well. I have not had a chance to try it with SV or Mix Emergency, but it played individual files (smashvidz) in itunes just as well as my 7200 rpms drives.

I have a black cover on my laptop which snaps on to the body of the mbp. Even though my chassis only buldges open on the bottom left corner, its open by about 1/16th of an inch, and my laptop cover covers over it rather well, so I lucked out on that.

Do i recommend you go out and get this drive do install internally? No I would not if you want a solid running system, unless you can find someone to make you a custom aluminum housing for the bottom of your MBP for an affordable price.


I really hope you're not actually using the computer as you describe.

You're likely to kill the drive quickly with the cover pushing into the top of the drive.

Get it out of there immediately and put in something that fits properly.
Daktyl 10:48 PM - 6 December, 2012
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ok, thanks mark. i went with the WD drive and am cloning and installing today. as far as the sata bus, let me just make sure i'm understanding you correctly... so when you talk about the speed causing instability it's not because of an incompatible connection (like in my case, since my machine is older it's not capable of sata 3 speeds), but because the connection will accept the higher speed that causes the problem b/c it's not stable at that higher speed?


Yes the problem (in the 2011 15/17" MBP's) is that the SATA controller for both bays is nominally SATA-3 but not stable at that speed in the optical bay.

You can normally use a faster drive on a slower bus (SATA-3 drive on a SATA-1 bus, for example) and it will work fine though of course at the SATA-1 speeds.

that's what i thought you were saying, but just wanted to make sure so i would know whether or not it was something i needed to look watch out for.
Daktyl 10:51 PM - 6 December, 2012
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I want to clarify this because I just recently did this install. No, it does not fit at all, not even close. The bottom chassis bulges open a big. Also, the WD 2TB 2.5" Drive is 5200 RPMS, not 5400 or 7200. It does however read on the system and work rather well. I have not had a chance to try it with SV or Mix Emergency, but it played individual files (smashvidz) in itunes just as well as my 7200 rpms drives.

the WD drive i was talking about is the 500 gb 7200 rpm scorpio black, not a 2 tb drive. no worries about bulging chassis haha
lvmez 3:33 AM - 8 December, 2012
So i Just installed this drive into my 2010 MBP and I can tell that it's running faster. I also have 8gb of ram installed. This will eventually become my backup laptop. I'm happy with results.

www.amazon.com

Thanks for the help.
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:06 PM - 10 December, 2012
Also see this info when looking to add a second hdd...

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Special compatibility notes related to use of this product with 6Gb/s SSDs in the following machines:

2011 MacBook Pro 15" (Model ID MacBookPro8,2)
2011 MacBook Pro 17" (Model ID MacBookPro8,3)
•OPTICAL BAY: The optical bay interface in these machines may either be SATA Revision 2.0 3Gb/s OR SATA Revision 3.0 6Gb/s. There is no way to specify/order this data interface with Apple, but you can confirm what interface/link speed version your optical bay offers via the Apple System Profiler.

Testing has demonstrated that Apple factory hardware does not reliably support a 6G (6Gb/s) Solid State Drive or Hard Disk Drive in the optical bay of 2011 MacBook Pros (ModeI ID8,1; 8,2; 8,3). If your OWC Data Doubler bundle comes with a 6G drive, you should ONLY install that drive in the main drive bay and utilize the Data Doubler to re-task your existing drive or install a new 3G SSD or HDD in the optical bay. PRE-2011 models can utilize a 6G drive in the optical bay, but will do so at a reduced 3G (3Gb/s) speed.

2011 MacBook Pro 13" models: Apple does not support the use of 6Gb/s drives in the optical bay. While we have observed a high rate of success using SATA 3.0 6Gb/s drives in Apple 13" bays where 6Gb/s link is present, some systems may not operate properly with this setup. For guaranteed reliability/compatibility, we suggest 6Gb/s drives be used in the main drive bay only, and 3Gb/s hard drives or SSDs be used in the optical bay when a two-drive configuration is desired. We cannot guarantee proper or successful 6Gb/s drive operation in the Apple MacBook Pro 13" optical bay.

2008 MacBook Pro 15" (MacBookPro 5,1; 5,2; 5,3; 5,4; 5,5 and MacBook 5,1)
While a 6G SSD does function in a 2008 MacBook Pro 15" and 13" Macbook, it will only do so at SATA Revision 1.0 (1.5Gb/s) speeds rather that the SATA Revision 2.0 (3.0Gb/s) speed the machine can deliver. Should owners of these machines desire another SSD option, the Mercury Electra™ 3G SSD does run at the full SATA Revision 2.0 (3Gb/s) specification.
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:07 PM - 10 December, 2012
This is where that info. came from ---> eshop.macsales.com
Blackie Lox 4:08 AM - 16 January, 2013
So is there still no internal hard drive with a capacity greater than 1TB that will fit in an optibay enclosure? Just asking as my 1 year warranty on my 15" MBP runs out next month and I plan to make some modifications to it.
DJMark 10:45 AM - 16 January, 2013
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So is there still no internal hard drive with a capacity greater than 1TB that will fit in an optibay enclosure?


As of right now, none.

I'm wondering if >1tb drives of 9.5mm or less will end up coming out as SSD's before mechanical drives of same physical size/larger capacity....
nik39 12:59 PM - 16 January, 2013
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I'm wondering if >1tb drives of 9.5mm or less will end up coming out as SSD's before mechanical drives of same physical size/larger capacity....

Same here...
Code:E 8:43 PM - 16 January, 2013
DJ mark Can you prove to me that 5400rpm is fast enough. I have the stock 5400rpm in my optical location right now. and had to move all of my videos onto it recently. My main drive is seagate hybrid 750gb 7200rpm/8gb SSD. since moving video over to the slower drive i have seen significantly slower speeds. The biggest issue is load times for tracks. it used to be instant, now its seconds or wont buffer fast enough to even play un interrupted. the hard drive has 350gb of video and nothing else on it. its not fragmented. So how can you tell me a 5400 is fast enough? do you have technical data proving to me 5400 is fast enough and that something else in my computer is slowing down.
phatbob 9:39 PM - 16 January, 2013
The platter density is so high in the large capacity 5400 drives that read times are virtually the same as a lot of 7200 drives.

Search out some benchmarks and you'll see that's the case.
Rebelguy 10:00 PM - 16 January, 2013
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DJ mark Can you prove to me that 5400rpm is fast enough. I have the stock 5400rpm in my optical location right now. and had to move all of my videos onto it recently. My main drive is seagate hybrid 750gb 7200rpm/8gb SSD. since moving video over to the slower drive i have seen significantly slower speeds. The biggest issue is load times for tracks. it used to be instant, now its seconds or wont buffer fast enough to even play un interrupted. the hard drive has 350gb of video and nothing else on it. its not fragmented. So how can you tell me a 5400 is fast enough? do you have technical data proving to me 5400 is fast enough and that something else in my computer is slowing down.


I have been running 5400 RPM drives for video both internally and externally the past year with none of the issues you mentioned. You may have something else going on behind the scenes.
Code:E 10:17 PM - 16 January, 2013
Any ideas as to what the issue could be. When i 1st bought this mac i had that issue and bought the new seagate drive the same day as the mac. took a week to come in but for that week i had the exact same problems when the drive was in its original location. I mention this because I'm under the impression that my optical drive location might be a SATA2. and not Sata3.
I have a 17inch i7 2.3ghz with 8gb of ram.... I shouldn't be having these loading issues. Would changing buffer size speed things up. I think i have everything left at stock settings. If so how should i change them?
lvmez 11:02 PM - 16 January, 2013
I recently switched my internal drive to a 5400 1tb and my laptop seems to running faster.

Mark was right. Thanks.
nik39 7:41 AM - 17 January, 2013
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DJ mark Can you prove to me that 5400rpm is fast enough.

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So how can you tell me a 5400 is fast enough? do you have technical data proving to me 5400 is fast enough and that something else in my computer is slowing down.


Not sure what is happening here, but why is DJ Mark being blamed and why does he *have* to prove anything? He just posted some advice and also explained it. If you read up on what the RPM influences then apply some common sense then you will easily understand the path DJMark's thoughts took ;)

If you need some more explanation I suggest you ask DJMark *nicely* to elaborate. He surely doesn't have to prove anything.
Code:E 7:45 AM - 17 January, 2013
Im not trying to attack him But he posted saying it made no difference so i wanted to see his information.
Culprit 7:54 AM - 17 January, 2013
ive seen the craziest setups inside clubs where guys got 3 or 4 hard external hard drives connected lmao, i think 5400 is safe enough to work with.
Millz 8:12 AM - 17 January, 2013
Ive been rocking a 1tb 5400 drive as 2ndary internal for a couple months now with zero issues, it actually runs better than my 750 7200 drive...
DJMark 12:22 PM - 17 January, 2013
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Im not trying to attack him But he posted saying it made no difference so i wanted to see his information.


ACTUALLY, I never said "it made no difference". My statement was (and is) that modern 5400rpm drives are more than fast enough for video.

Which they are.

If you were seeing serious lag when loading tracks, you had some other issue...possibly one or more of the following:

1) a failing drive (it happens). Check status in SMART Utility;

2) a drive requiring the much-discussed "Advanced Power Management" fix to work correctly (again, refer to SMART Utility and check "load cycle count" versus "power cycle count");

3) a drive who's SATA interface speed is unstable with the SATA bus in your Mac (there are a number of such scenarios known to exist). What I posted about that earlier in this thread:
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There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though).

There were also issues with SATA-2 drives in some 15-inch MacBook Pro models a couple years back...solution I had to do for a friend's computer in that situation was a firmware "downgrade" so that the internal SATA bus was restricted to SATA-1 speeds (it's worked fine ever since, well over a year now).
D-Twizzle 9:47 PM - 17 January, 2013
2TB 9.5mm SSD..
www.engadget.com
I'd guess it'll have a $1k+ price when it comes out.
Code:E 10:28 PM - 17 January, 2013
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2TB 9.5mm SSD..
www.engadget.com
I'd guess it'll have a $1k+ price when it comes out.

I bet closer to the $2k price.


And I want NOW!
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:56 PM - 17 January, 2013
Nice. That what we talking.
DJMark 12:25 AM - 18 January, 2013
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2TB 9.5mm SSD..
www.engadget.com
I'd guess it'll have a $1k+ price when it comes out.


Just spoke on the phone with them.

They're around $9,000...or $13,000 for the high-temperature rated military spec version.

They're mainly selling to government/military and industrial customers (not end users).
Dj Nyce 12:26 AM - 18 January, 2013
hopefully it's not using shitty nand chips and a shitty controller.
nik39 1:10 AM - 18 January, 2013
Ugh! Nice. And bad.
djpuma_gemini 4:14 AM - 18 January, 2013
Just wait a year and it will drop drastically. Or maybe they'll have 1.5tb 9.m drives.
djBern 5:55 PM - 11 February, 2013
For anyone in Canada, I just bought two of these:
www.ncix.com
HGST Travelstar 1TB SATA3 7200RPM 16MB internal cache. On sale today only for CAD $69.99 (limit 2 per customer)

Gonna put one in my gig laptop and one in my backup laptop. Should be enough for my immediate video storage needs.
Code:E 10:26 PM - 18 February, 2013
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For anyone in Canada, I just bought two of these:
www.ncix.com
HGST Travelstar 1TB SATA3 7200RPM 16MB internal cache. On sale today only for CAD $69.99 (limit 2 per customer)

Gonna put one in my gig laptop and one in my backup laptop. Should be enough for my immediate video storage needs.


DJBern. I really hope you log on often I need your feedback.
I got 2 750gb HD in my Macbook pro and well on Saturday i discovered that the one i use for video is full. I dont want to go external. But i have never bought anything that was not a Seagate HD. Who is HGST? are they anygood, are they going to be reliable? Does the drive work in your mac?
DJ DisGrace 10:43 PM - 18 February, 2013
It's Hitachi. Should be relatively problem-free. Especially coming from Seagate.
djBern 11:07 PM - 18 February, 2013
Hey Code:E,

Yes, DisGrace is correct. HGST was the old Hitachi-IBM hard drive company. They were actually bought by Western Digital last year. The drives come with a 3-year warranty so you should be fine if anything happens within that time.

I actually realized that my old 2008 Macbook pro only runs at SATA-1 so I'm thinking of putting both 1TB in my new Macbook as both the ports support SATA-3. My other drives are a 500GB Momentus XT hybrid and a 7200RPM 750GB Momentus (non hybrid). I think I'll just put the 750GB in my old one for backup.
djBern 11:13 PM - 18 February, 2013
Also wanted to add - had my first two gigs with the 1TB the past two weekends - no problems performance wise that I can see so far. I had the hybrid 500GB previously and I couldn't tell any difference.

Also look into the migration assistant if you want to keep all your old settings. I decided to start clean & reinstall the OS and just redo all my old settings, but I had to redownload/reinstall some of the old apps. XCode/Quartz Composer being one of them for ME.
djBern 11:16 PM - 18 February, 2013
Oh, and another thing. The prices have gone back up to $95.98 but will probably go down again on their next sale. They also have it advertised having 16MB cache but it actually has 32MB cache, and looking at the manufacturer's website, this model only comes in 32MB cache (if that's important).
Code:E 5:49 AM - 19 February, 2013
I have a 750GB Momentus XT hybrid as my main drive. I'm going to buy one for my secondary drive.
DJMark 7:22 AM - 19 February, 2013
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I have a 750GB Momentus XT hybrid as my main drive. I'm going to buy one for my secondary drive.


If you plan to put a SATA3 drive in the optical bay as you did before, you're likely to have major issues.

You'd be better off with a SATA-2 device like the 1tb WD drive (have used many of them with good results).

This is all, of course, going on the very un-detailed post you wrote awhile back that you never bothered to elaborate further on.

I can pretty much guarantee that SATA-3 drives in 2011 15/17-inch MacBook Pros is a no-go. You'll get beachball and stuttering tracks.
DJMark 7:26 AM - 19 February, 2013
The new Hitachi 1tb/7200rpm drives are SATA-3 btw.

Other than that issue, I've had excellent results with both Hitachi and WD drives.

Seagate is by far the worst in terms of reliability and probability of catastrophic failure. Also their support/RMA service totally sucks.
Code:E 5:58 PM - 19 February, 2013
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If you plan to put a SATA3 drive in the optical bay as you did before, you're likely to have major issues.

I have read up on that issues extensively. My factory mac drive is in the opt bay right now. It is Sata3 and is having no issues at all.
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I can pretty much guarantee that SATA-3 drives in 2011 15/17-inch MacBook Pros is a no-go. You'll get beachball and stuttering tracks.

I have read up on people having no issues at all. Only some of the 2011 Mac's have issues.
Not saying mine wont be the one to have issues.
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I can pretty much guarantee that SATA-3 drives in 2011 15/17-inch MacBook Pros is a no-go. You'll get beachball and stuttering tracks.

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The new Hitachi 1tb/7200rpm drives are SATA-3 btw

So your contradicting your self. Will that Hitachi work? or not. Link for it because I have yet to find any other 7200rpm 1TB HD that is 9.5mm.

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Seagate is by far the worst in terms of reliability and probability of catastrophic failure. Also their support/RMA service totally sucks.

Thats a personal opinion I disagree completely especially about there warranty I found it to be amazing for the 2 out of 12 drives over 7 years.
Culprit 9:23 PM - 19 February, 2013
www.amazon.com

I just ordered (2) of these babies for my 2TB WD20NPVT Hard Drives. I love the fact that they are USB 3.0 and FW800 + bus powered.

www.amazon.com

I currently use this, and its only limitation is the USB 2.0. My PC computer uses USB 3.0.

I keep my master files on a PC and I use paragon software for HFS+ compatibility.

www.paragon-software.com
Code:E 9:28 PM - 19 February, 2013
I am trying to avoid an external at all costs. seriously I would consider a 1tb SSD before a external.
Dj Nyce 10:21 PM - 19 February, 2013
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www.amazon.com

I just ordered (2) of these babies for my 2TB WD20NPVT Hard Drives. I love the fact that they are USB 3.0 and FW800 + bus powered.

www.amazon.com

I currently use this, and its only limitation is the USB 2.0. My PC computer uses USB 3.0.

I keep my master files on a PC and I use paragon software for HFS+ compatibility.

www.paragon-software.com


excellent choice on the oyen digitals. i have 3 of these. you will not be disappointed.
popnwave 12:03 PM - 25 February, 2013
eshop.macsales.com

Sooo anyone tried one of these 1.5s yet?
nik39 2:35 PM - 25 February, 2013
They are 12.5mm's
popnwave 3:01 PM - 25 February, 2013
Damn you are correct..
djkurve 4:26 AM - 26 February, 2013
Will this guy work in either my main drive or optibay drive?

us.ncix.com

I have a 13" mid 2009 MBP
Code:E 6:30 AM - 26 February, 2013
Yes. Its the same one i just ordered. Well me and buddy ordered 2 mine was DOA, his is working amazing.
djBern 6:44 PM - 26 February, 2013
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Will this guy work in either my main drive or optibay drive?

us.ncix.com

I have a 13" mid 2009 MBP


I've been using these for a couple of weeks without any issues. I went to this from a 500GB Momentus XT.

By the way, their description is wrong on the cache - it's 32MB not 16MB
djBern 6:45 PM - 26 February, 2013
...I forgot to add - this is running as my main drive. I haven't tried running it in my optibay.
popnwave 1:40 AM - 28 February, 2013
I will add a single BITCH right now. One of the damn screws holding down the superdrive in my mid '12 macbookpro stripped on 2 different ones I tried (I got one on launch day and the same screw was in too tight). Finally had the balls to get a 1/16" bit and drill that sucker out so I could have my 1TB along with my Samsung 256 SSD..
DJMark 2:15 AM - 28 February, 2013
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I will add a single BITCH right now. One of the damn screws holding down the superdrive in my mid '12 macbookpro stripped on 2 different ones I tried (I got one on launch day and the same screw was in too tight).


You mean the threads were stripped, or that the head of the screw was stripped?
p45 4:26 PM - 28 February, 2013
13" mid 2009 MBP / 8gig ram / 256 SSD + a 1TB SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB in optibay

works fine with ME / 2.4.2 / mountain lion
popnwave 6:30 PM - 28 February, 2013
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I will add a single BITCH right now. One of the damn screws holding down the superdrive in my mid '12 macbookpro stripped on 2 different ones I tried (I got one on launch day and the same screw was in too tight).


You mean the threads were stripped, or that the head of the screw was stripped?


No matter what I did on BOTH units the head stripped.. I thought it was the nice but lacking screwdriver that OWC included with their kit but even on my second MBP my bit set from iFixit couldn't get it out either. I had NO issues with the same screw in my '09 one.

But it's not a major structural issue so F that damn screw, I won't miss it :)
Millz 7:22 PM - 28 February, 2013
I had no problems with my Samsung.
djkurve 12:24 AM - 1 March, 2013
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13" mid 2009 MBP / 8gig ram / 256 SSD + a 1TB SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB in optibay

works fine with ME / 2.4.2 / mountain lion



+1
Code:E 7:50 PM - 8 March, 2013
HEy mac guys I need help!!!!!!! I bought the HGST hard Drive the 1TB sata3 so did my buddy he got his working 1st try. But i fucked mine up. and I think i fucked a 2nd one up. I'm kinda freaking out right now.. This is no the 1st HD i have put in my opt bay and when i put the other one back in it works fine. Heres my issue. I install the drive start the computer. My computer asks me to initialize the harddrive (other option where eject or cancel) I click initialize. I get the disk utility screen. The drive is black has. No partition or space to erase. My understand coming from my PC days was i need to create a Partition 1st and in the mac disk utility it asks me what formate to make it. I set it to "Mac OS extended (Journaled)" which i believe to be correct. but now the disk utility hangs up and is stuck at "waiting for disks to reappear" I'm so confused what is going. Here a pic of where i'm stuck at. fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net

Any help you guys hove would be great.
djpuma_gemini 9:11 PM - 8 March, 2013
Just cancel it and start again
Code:E 9:14 PM - 8 March, 2013
When i had the 1st HD I bricked it by doing that.
DJMark 9:22 PM - 8 March, 2013
SATA-3 devices in the optical bay of 2011 MBP's are a risky proposition at best.

Pretty sure that's what you're seeing there...

SATA-2 devices should be fine.
Code:E 9:25 PM - 8 March, 2013
is there some way to tell a sata3 drive to run in sata2 mode?

My buddy has a late 2010 15" and the drive works fine is his opt bay.
Culprit 9:43 PM - 8 March, 2013
Hey Code,

Run the model numbers online via google and check the jumper settings.
Code:E 9:52 PM - 8 March, 2013
there is jumpers on a 2.5 inch drive?
DJMark 10:06 PM - 8 March, 2013
No jumpers.

Possibly you'd be able to set the SATA mode through a software command, but the safest advice is to put a SATA-2 device in the optical bay.

The reason that same drive might work fine in a 2010 MBP would be that the older machine only has a SATA-2 interface.
Code:E 10:11 PM - 8 March, 2013
Fuck..... So i might have to return this drive. I'm still screwed for HD space. I need that space for more videos.
DJMark 10:14 PM - 8 March, 2013
WDC WD10JPVT is what I use (in the optical bay of both my late-2011 and mid-2012 MBP's.

Works perfectly fine in both.

If the drive just has media on it (not the OS), the speed of modern hard drives really isn't very critical the way it was in the past.
Millz 11:17 PM - 8 March, 2013
Mark told you sata3 wouldnt work. Next time listen to the cat, he knows his ish ;)
Code:E 11:03 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Mark told you sata3 wouldnt work. Next time listen to the cat, he knows his ish ;)



I have read in many places that some sata3 worked. and some don't.

So i did get that HGST drive working. I had to formate it externally I thne had to put it into the stock HD location on my mac, I then put the Seagate Momentus XT 750gb/8gbssd Hybrid in my optical location and everything is working fine so far. I ran stress test and booted up all the video apps and everything seems to be working perfect.
DJMark 1:28 AM - 10 March, 2013
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Quote:
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Mark told you sata3 wouldnt work. Next time listen to the cat, he knows his ish ;)



I have read in many places that some sata3 worked. and some don't.


The main variable is model-specific, not whether or not some SATA-3 devices work or not in a particular machine.

It's a frustrating scenario that's kind of inexcusable on Apple's part. Optical bay adapter brackets have been around for years now, and Apple cannot be unaware of their use. Testing and debugging SATA behavior for both busses at their full speed capabilities should be a relatively trivial task.

For the 2011 15 and 17-inch MBP's, it's safest to assume SATA-3 devices in the optical bay are a no-go. Apparently there are better results with the 2011 13-inch models.

Then the situation apparently reverses for the 2012's: I'm hearing of issues with the 13-inch but not the 15 inch.

Moral of the story, before doing the optical bracket adapter with hard drive thing, carefully research specific issues with your computer's model number. This isn't the usual Apple "plug it in and it just works" scenario.
nik39 4:54 PM - 22 May, 2013
1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com
Code:E 5:16 PM - 22 May, 2013
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1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com

WTF I just bought the 1TB version. Now this!
LJ_WOOLSEY 5:27 PM - 22 May, 2013
This aswell for anyone that does not have money to burn on 1tb ssd. - 1TB Hybrid ---> www.ebuyer.com
phatbob 6:04 PM - 22 May, 2013
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1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com


www.jamspreader.com
DJCheLu 8:29 PM - 22 May, 2013
Hmmm which of those are better for our application?? I have had my scorpio blue 1TB for a few years now and its still running great but i might replace it as preventative maintenance. The 1.5TB is dope but the hybrid 1TB seems faster (never had a hybrid drive) but all reviews are not for video djing LOL.
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:54 PM - 22 May, 2013
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1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com


See this is Sata 6gbs remeber macs opitbay runs best with 2gbs (for the older ones anyway)
Code:E 10:17 PM - 22 May, 2013
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Hmmm which of those are better for our application?? I have had my scorpio blue 1TB for a few years now and its still running great but i might replace it as preventative maintenance. The 1.5TB is dope but the hybrid 1TB seems faster (never had a hybrid drive) but all reviews are not for video djing LOL.

no real need ofr a hybrid unless it is a drive you are running apps off of it. If you only have 1 HD in your laptop sure run it. If you are running 2 the hybrid dose you no good as a 2nd HD.
Code:E 10:18 PM - 22 May, 2013
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1.5TB at 9mm height and 2.5" size:

www.hgst.com


See this is Sata 6gbs remeber macs opitbay runs best with 2gbs (for the older ones anyway)

Yes you are correct. I had this issue in mine. The fix, I installed the HGST drive in my factory location and the out the seagate 750/8 GB Hybrid drive in my optical location and I have my OS installed there.
DJMark 11:04 PM - 22 May, 2013
Cool to see the HGST 1.5tb drive in a 9.5mm size. Don't see anyplace actually stocking them (or even listing them) yet though.

Couple things about it make me a bit nervous: one, they're packing three platters into a space normally occupied by two. Aside from this being "new and untested", it could have implications for heat buildup. Also I seem to be hearing a bit more about Hitachi drives failing than I was a few years back. Though nothing as bad as Seagate's abysmal failure rates.

Much more interested in seeing larger SSD's becoming available. The Crucial 960gb model is still really hard to come by though. Hope Samsung jumps into that size range soon.
Rebelguy 11:13 PM - 22 May, 2013
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Cool to see the HGST 1.5tb drive in a 9.5mm size. Don't see anyplace actually stocking them (or even listing them) yet though.


They aren't launching until June

www.engadget.com
nik39 6:37 AM - 23 May, 2013
SSDs are still too expensive :(

I am a bit skeptical about the 3 platter design too, but Hitachi als has announced that they have improved the techs inside to offer the same stability and shock endurance compared to the 2 platter design. We'll see.
nik39 6:37 AM - 23 May, 2013
I'll definitely buy one and replace my primary drive with this one, because I am running low of space.
DJMark 7:55 AM - 23 May, 2013
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SSDs are still too expensive :(


Dropping like a rock though. 960gb for $600 (the Crucial M500) looks pretty interesting. When other SSD manufacturers start reacting it'll get even more interesting.

But more than likely I'll also be using one of the Hitachi 1.5tb drives before larger SSD's come out at "reasonable" prices. Won't be able to use it in my backup MBP since it's one of the 2011 models where SATA-3 won't work in the optical bay.

Or maybe something helium-filled?

www.computerworld.com
nik39 8:23 AM - 23 May, 2013
960GB won't do it for me :(

Yes, I won't be using it in the optical bay either, just in my primary slot.

Do you know whether all 2011 models are affected by that issue?
DJMark 8:35 AM - 23 May, 2013
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Do you know whether all 2011 models are affected by that issue?


As far as I know (and have observed) it's all the 15 and 17 inch 2011's. "Early" or "Late" 2011 wouldn't matter, as these two series are nearly identical (minor speed/GPU bump, identical model identifier strings).

Apparently you can put a SATA-3 drive in a 13-inch 2011 MBP's optical bay, though, and it will likely be fine. Some difference in circuit-board layout, I guess.
nik39 8:38 AM - 23 May, 2013
Bad news :( I hoped that the late 2011 would not be affected :(
nik39 8:58 AM - 23 May, 2013
Are you sure 15" are also affected?

Quote:
There are no issues at all with any of the MacBook Pro 15” and 13” 2011 Models and 6Gb/s SSD use in the main bay—rock solid reliable.

Taken from:

blog.macsales.com

But then in this post, someone mentions that the 15" are affected too.

forum.crucial.com

But he also mentions
Quote:


Okay, so I think Mountain Lion may be the solution - initial testing all shows similar results to the SSD installed in the main bay!

Running BlackMagic's Speed Test, I was able to consistently get 512 MB/s reads and rougly 300 MB/s writes. Activity Monitor confirmed these results (with both 1 and 5 GB tests).

Using Spotlight Privacy to index both drives repeatedly, performance was consistent. The SSD in the optical bay indexed in ~10 minutes, while the main drive (with a fresh install of OS 10.8 only) took ~6 min. As the SSD has half of its 512 GB used by fairly large audio files, I'd say that it may have even outperformed the OS drive in this task (which would be expected).

Also - and the biggest tell here - is that in addition to stable read/write speeds, there was no long SWOD or pauses. Several attempts at indexing in 10.6 Snow Leopard and 10.7 Lion all went well past the 12-hour mark and still had not completed (Activity Monitor would drop to 0 MB/s read for several minutes or hours at a time).
[...]

FYI - the recommendation that 10.8 might resolve the issue was hinted at by an Apple-qualified tech, who mentioned there had been some behind-the-scenes optimizations for SSD's in-general.

I've not ruled out the issue 100%, but I will say that it does look promising. Hopefully whatever changes were made to 10.8 find their way to a 10.7.5 / EFI update soon - I'm still not ready to fully work in Mountain Lion yet.
DJMark 9:37 AM - 23 May, 2013
Quote:
There are no issues at all with any of the MacBook Pro 15” and 13” 2011 Models and 6Gb/s SSD use in the main bay—rock solid reliable.


Yes, in the main bay (not the optical bay) SATA-3 drives are fine on those machines. They're also fine on the 17-inch model after this firmware upgrade: support.apple.com

Quote:
Okay, so I think Mountain Lion may be the solution - initial testing all shows similar results to the SSD installed in the main bay!


The detail about Mountain Lion is interesting and not something I've personally checked out.

I saw the 2011 15 and 17-inch issues (both sizes, similar results) when running Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion didn't yet exist at the time, and Lion was something I always refused to use.

Now that I have Mountain Lion running on the late-2011 17-inch backup MBP, maybe I'll try testing a SATA-3 device in its optical bay at some point when I have the free time.
nik39 9:44 AM - 23 May, 2013
Thanks for the clarification. I wish I had the information an hour ago ;) I read a lot of articles and realized that there was another problem initially - the issue with the main bay.

Quote:
Now that I have Mountain Lion running on the late-2011 17-inch backup MBP, maybe I'll try testing a SATA-3 device in its optical bay at some point when I have the free time.

Uh.. nice, that would be very cool!
DJMark 9:57 AM - 23 May, 2013
There's been so many weird little SATA-related issues with different MacBook Pro models that keeping track of all of them gets confusing.

Especially when we get into firmware updates (some of which have made issues worse, not better).
nik39 10:03 AM - 23 May, 2013
You're always one step ahead ;) I just stumbled across issues which mention EFI 1.7 and also 10.8.3.

My head...
DJMark 10:07 AM - 23 May, 2013
Quote:
You're always one step ahead ;) I just stumbled across issues which mention EFI 1.7 and also 10.8.3.


Sounds like a 2009 15-inch MacBook Pro thing there...had to help a friend "downgrade" EFI on one of those awhile back. Ugh.
nik39 10:12 AM - 23 May, 2013
You were right! I didn't pay close attention, I thought this was about 2011's.
nik39 10:13 AM - 23 May, 2013
BTW, did you read this "fix" for the 2011's 17" optibay issues?

sites.google.com
DJMark 10:25 AM - 23 May, 2013
The SATA-3 thing is about the 2011's.

In 2009 the issue was SATA-2. EFI 1.7 enabled SATA-2 in the main bay, but it wasn't stable with a lot of drives. Had to downgrade to make it SATA-1 only. It was a mess.

Quote:
BTW, did you read this "fix" for the 2011's 17" optibay issues?

sites.google.com


Yes I saw the foil-over-the-drive thing awhile back (and some other similar things involving different shielding, cable replacements, etc). All interesting but probably not something I'd want to mess with in a machine I'm relying on (or a machine I have to be responsible for in any way). I'm much more interested in (though skeptical of) the possibility of an OS update actually fixing it.
nik39 11:25 AM - 23 May, 2013
Same here. If you have some time to test it, I think the results will be very valuable for others on this forum too. ;)
WarpNote 8:04 PM - 23 May, 2013
@DJMark
I had an issue with a crucial m4 512 SSD a while back. Installed in the main bay. Had a breakdown after some months, took the SSD back to the store for testing and they could not find any errors (mind you, guys running the store are PC heads, not that much love for mac's.)

Been weary of installing it back in since, as I've been using the machine for production daily. Kinda sad to see the SSD gather dust, and I wanna make another attempt soon.

The Crucial m4 is 6gbs and my computer is a 17" macbookpro 8,3 (Late 2011)
I'd like to install it in the main bay. From what I can gather It has EFI 2.7...
The Computer is running 10.7.5, want to upgrade to 10.8 at first convenience.
Ive installed 16 GB of ram into it.

Any special precautions I would need take, or any other tech tips before attempting?
You seem to have a good knowledge on these matters.

@nik39
Same thing for you wiz, if any advice, please spread the knowledge!

Thanks guys!
Warp
nik39 12:14 PM - 26 May, 2013
Warp, I'd love to share some knowledge... but DJMark is the man in this case ;)
DJMark 9:28 PM - 26 May, 2013
Quote:
I had an issue with a crucial m4 512 SSD a while back. Installed in the main bay. Had a breakdown after some months, took the SSD back to the store for testing and they could not find any errors (mind you, guys running the store are PC heads, not that much love for mac's.)


Sorry I totally missed this before...

When you say "had a breakdown" what exactly happened?

I guess what I'd try doing (if the status of the SSD will allow it, of course) is a clean Mountain Lion installation onto the SSD (put it in a self-powered external case...some SSD's *do not like working on bus-power*), combo update to 10.8.3, download and run SmartUtility (www.volitans-software.com), and see if it shows anything wrong.
WarpNote 8:22 AM - 27 May, 2013
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When you say "had a breakdown" what exactly happened?

The mbp got got stuck at the light grey boot screen about 7 months after ssd was installed, typically near deadline for a project.
Did 2 attempts at 10.7 clean installs, would run for a few hours, then lock up and fail to boot.

Quote:
I guess what I'd try doing (if the status of the SSD will allow it, of course) is a clean Mountain Lion installation onto the SSD (put it in a self-powered external case...some SSD's *do not like working on bus-power*), combo update to 10.8.3, download and run SmartUtility (www.volitans-software.com), and see if it shows anything wrong.

Thanks Mark, will try that, the ssd seems to work well in the external case. Only had issues when installed in the main hd bay. I did run the S.M.A.R.T utility, might have something to do with my issues. Thanks again, will let you know how it turns out.
nik39 11:15 AM - 19 July, 2013
Drive filling up... Hitachi 1.5TB still not available yet :(
Culprit 6:15 PM - 19 July, 2013
time to start deleting my friend :/
DJMark 1:50 AM - 25 July, 2013
.
Some info about Mountain Lion possibly fixing optical-bay SATA-3 issues in 2011 MacBook Pros

Supplies of the 960gb Crucial M500 seem to be finally opening up (I bought one last week, and my local computer place says they got "a ton of them in today").

For those who don't mind spending $1200 on two of them (and who don't have computers affected by optical-bay SATA-3 issues), putting in a pair of these drives would be a rather nice speedy just-under-2TB option.

I don't intend my backup machine (late-2011 17-inch MacBook Pro) to have this configuration, but getting the Crucial SSD and cloning my main media-drive contents to it offered the opportunity to test out the SATA-3 device in 2011 MBP optical bay issue with some real-world testing (this computer is running OS X 10.8.3).

Preliminary results: looking good. Machine boots fine, drive shows up on desktop, System Information confirms a 6gb/sec (SATA-3) connection to both the Crucial in the optical bay and the Samsung 840 Pro in the main bay, SMART Utility shows good results, quick tests in SMART Utility gives good results. Playing some videos in iTunes that are on the Crucial drive works fine. Running Scratch Live 2.4.4 and Mix Emergency 2.2 in a double-speed internal mode autoplay test now (making sure that it's playing files that are on the Crucial drive), that also seems fine. Skipping around in the files shows no lags.

I'll leave the auto-play test running for awhile before I feel totally confident in this configuration's stability, but given the nature of the typical SATA-3/2011MBP optical-bay issues (more or less instant revelations of very major drive problems) this is looking very encouraging so far.
DJMark 2:01 AM - 25 July, 2013
One possible point of concern in my test:

SMART Utility is showing various parameters (temperature and CRC errors are two of them) of the Crucial drive in negative numbers. In itself, not necessarily a concern, as sometimes SMART Utility displays paramater information oddly for drives it doesn't "know" about and I've seen quite a bit of that with new-model SSD's.

What is concerning me is that the negative number shown for CRC errors is incrementing as I run the autoplay test and rescan drives in SMART Utility.

I don't see or hear any playback problems however.
DJMark 3:03 AM - 25 July, 2013
A little over an hour of the SL/ME playback test and no apparent problems. Next step, move the Crucial SSD from my backup into my main (2012 MBP), also in the optical bay, and see if the "apparent" "negative numbers" CRC errors continue their apparent accumulation.
Millz 3:24 AM - 25 July, 2013
Thank you for the info
DJMark 3:30 AM - 25 July, 2013
More on the way (results of same drive in optical bay of mid-2012 MBP)... will of course want to see if the negative CRC number keeps going "up" (or down, depending how you look at it)...
Code:E 3:33 AM - 25 July, 2013
Mark thank you so much for this test. I am looking at the Crucial SSD as a replacement of my current opt bay drive. all of this testing is very much appreciated.
DJMark 4:53 AM - 25 July, 2013
And now I've got the Crucial 960gb SSD in my main (2012) MBP, in the optical bay. Running SL/ME autoplay test is going fine as I'd expect.

The negative CRC number is NOT CHANGING in the 2012 MBP.

So I have to conclude that there is still some "hardware" problem going on with SATA-3 devices when connected in the optical bay of the 15/17-inch 2011 MacBook Pros, and perhaps the "Mountain Lion fix" for the problem that was referred to earlier is some sort of OS-based "patch" that allows CRC errors on the SATA busses to be handled more gracefully.

I'm not real comfortable with the idea of having CRC errors ("handled gracefully" or not) apparently going on pretty much continuously (apparently 448 of them in about 75 minutes) on a computer I'm DJ-ing with for hours at a time in front of an audience, so based on my tests I can't really recommend anyone with a 2011 MacBook Pro run out and buy one of the Crucial 960gb SSD's ...or any other SATA-3 drive, for that matter.
Code:E 6:06 PM - 25 July, 2013
what are CRC errors?
DJMark 9:34 PM - 25 July, 2013
Quote:
what are CRC errors?


Simple answer: something you definitely do not want happening with data.

Googling the term will produce a large number of detailed explanations.
nik39 9:47 PM - 25 July, 2013
Is it really such a big problem? I mean These are detected errors which will be fixed by simple data retransmission on the fly.
nik39 9:48 PM - 25 July, 2013
BTW big thanks for trying this out and posting the results!!
Culprit 10:07 PM - 25 July, 2013
Off topic but semi relevant

I did a gig with nothing connected to my secondary internal sata drive and my external 2tb oyen drive worked flawlessly, no drops, hickups or audio drop outs. Anyone heard of issues regarding the secondary bay affecting the FireWire port? I was afraid it was the WD 2TB being the culprit but now that theory is debunked. Running a late 2010 MBP W snow leopard
DJMark 10:22 PM - 25 July, 2013
Quote:
Is it really such a big problem? I mean These are detected errors which will be fixed by simple data retransmission on the fly.


In actual practice, maybe or maybe not. Note that my test was only around 75 minutes, and was pretty much read-only. Had I done a lot of writes, it's possible I would have exposed some other issues.

I'm used to seeing drives operate for many thousands of hours without ever displaying any CRC errors in their SMART attributes, so seeing a situation where there's something like six CRC errors being reported every minute has the smell of "something's not right here".

I left my main machine (the 2012 MBP) running overnight with both decks autoplaying videos from the Crucial drive at about 600% pitch (sped up CV by hand, then switched to internal on both sides). No issues, no dropouts, and no additional CRC errors showing on the drive.

Code:E, you probably would be best off doing what I did in January: give up on the 17-inch screen size, and get one of the current-model 15-inch MacBook Pros with the "hi-res" option. Then you just don't have the SATA-3 issues at all, and you also have a considerably more powerful machine (especially if you get the fastest 2.7gHz version).

Save about $400 and get a refurb (this is exactly what I bought in January): store.apple.com
DJMark 10:29 PM - 25 July, 2013
Quote:
Anyone heard of issues regarding the secondary bay affecting the FireWire port?


No, but what exactly was in the secondary bay when you were having problems? Were there other symptoms?

I could definitely understand a situation where a system with one drive having an unstable SATA connection could exhibit degraded overall performance (including read/writes from other drives).
Code:E 10:54 PM - 25 July, 2013
Quote:
Code:E, you probably would be best off doing what I did in January: give up on the 17-inch screen size, and get one of the current-model 15-inch MacBook Pros with the "hi-res" option. Then you just don't have the SATA-3 issues at all, and you also have a considerably more powerful machine (especially if you get the fastest 2.7gHz version).



I'm getting married in less than a month, and the wife wants a laptop, so I might just give her this one then and get the new one for myself.
Code:E 10:56 PM - 25 July, 2013
Hey mark I have a really long post coming out later today I started working on last night, Its will be called something like "my Mothership rig". I'm having 2 main issues with my big rig that I think you might be able to provide some great insight. Apologies now its a long post.
Culprit 1:31 AM - 26 July, 2013
Quote:
Quote:
Anyone heard of issues regarding the secondary bay affecting the FireWire port?


No, but what exactly was in the secondary bay when you were having problems? Were there other symptoms?

I could definitely understand a situation where a system with one drive having an unstable SATA connection could exhibit degraded overall performance (including read/writes from other drives).


I think you were right to assume that the cable was the culprit. There was a dvd player in there originally, then I switched it out for a hard drive, then back to a dvd player. I got a new cable and currently I have my main hard drive (500gb Momentus XT Hybrid Drive) in the secondary bay, and my 2TB WD In the Main Bay with no issues.

NOTE - the 2TB WD Does not really fit inside the mbp, The case is open a little, but it is covered with a plastic case.
DJMark 2:27 AM - 26 July, 2013
Quote:
the 2TB WD Does not really fit inside the mbp, The case is open a little, but it is covered with a plastic case.


I'm sorry but that's crazy. Though I guess you're providing a kind of real-world torture-test for that drive. Normally pressing any kind of weight/pressure into the top side of a spinning-platters hard drive (as you'd have to be in this situation) is a near-certain recipe for early failure.
WarpNote 7:44 AM - 26 July, 2013
Quote:
NOTE - the 2TB WD Does not really fit inside the mbp, The case is open a little, but it is covered with a plastic case.

Potential culprit right there...
nik39 10:00 AM - 26 July, 2013
Still waiting for the 1.5TB from Hitachi. They're delayed :(
Culprit 5:50 PM - 26 July, 2013
@warp this was not the issue originally stated, the issue was with the 2tb in an external and the CD player in the secondary bay and the osx in the main bay

@mark these drives are really thick, I haven't had an issue yet but I do not plan on keeping it in the MVP for the long run.
DJMark 8:24 PM - 26 July, 2013
First night using the Crucial 960gb drive DJ-ing last night...

I sure like how fast Scratch Live loads up everything when it's all on SSD's :-)

Average operating temperatures of the computer (as shown in SMCFanControl menubar) was noticeably lower than before...was running low-mid 60's (c) before...occasionally getting near 70c in a hot room at peak hour playing HD videos, last night was running mid-upper 50's and I saw 60 once. I guess the 1tb WD drive was throwing off quite a lot more heat (no surprise), just didn't expect to see as much of a temperature drop as I did. Maybe part of the change was from the Crucial SSD's 7mm thickness allowing more internal airflow than before.
Dj Nyce 3:02 PM - 27 July, 2013
i need that 960gb drive. my 512 only has 50gb left :(
WarpNote 6:21 PM - 27 July, 2013
@Culprit, I know, was just sayin' ;)

Quote:
@mark these drives are really thick, I haven't had an issue yet but I do not plan on keeping it in the MVP for the long run.
I do, however, appreciate someone how ain't afraid of doing some experimentation.
Culprit 12:26 PM - 29 July, 2013
@warpnote

there is a big possibility I might make a custom bottom for my macbook pro to fit my 2tb hard drive. I work with cnc machinist all the time who do some amazing stuff so I might just ask them to replicate the bottom part and make it a little deeper to accommodate the drive.
nik39 10:35 AM - 7 August, 2013
Ah... 1.5TB available for order now!! Excited....
nik39 11:05 AM - 7 August, 2013
Just ordered one. Will report back.
DjCity 11:46 AM - 7 August, 2013
Let us know how it performs nic39.
Dj Nyce 5:56 PM - 7 August, 2013
Quote:
Ah... 1.5TB available for order now!! Excited....


Which one?
DjCity 6:17 PM - 7 August, 2013
HTSC 9mm
nik39 9:34 PM - 7 August, 2013
www.heise.de
HGST Travelstar 5K1500 1.5TB, SATA 6Gb/s (0J28001) 9mm,
DJMark 10:49 PM - 7 August, 2013
Quote:
www.heise.de
HGST Travelstar 5K1500 1.5TB, SATA 6Gb/s (0J28001) 9mm,


Interesting...not seeing them here in the US at the usual places I check (Newegg, OWC, Central Computer) but hopefully they'll show up soon.
djkurve 3:26 AM - 9 August, 2013
Quote:
HGST Travelstar 5K1500 1.5TB, SATA 6Gb/s (0J28001) 9mm,



+1
DjCity 3:30 AM - 9 August, 2013
Quote:
HTSC 9mm

I meant HGST

Never post while drunk.
GRiNDBoX 7:24 AM - 9 August, 2013
so no wonder i saw a 1tb 7200rpm HGST....:)
nik39 9:20 AM - 10 August, 2013
That was quite an adventure. I have two HD's built in, the secondary HD has been mounted software wise in such a way that Scratch Live/SDJ thinks it is one big HD, so I dont have to fiddle around with two database files (and all anomalies coming with two db's). So I decided to take the usual approach:
1. Boot linux live cd,
2. Clone old drive to new drive doing a sector by sector copy (dd)
3. Swap old and new drive

In this case I wanted to leave the secondary drive and enlarge the primary drive.

Unfortunately I could not get any proper linux live cd boot :( So I had to firewire target this Mac onto an older Mac (where some live cds were booting). I cloned the drive, swapped it, booted into OSX, could see the bigger drive and the additional free space, but could not enlarge any partition. After having a look at the partition table (diskutil list) I realized that the recovery partition was at the end of the drive and thought that it is standing in the way. So I deleted it, but that did not fix the issue. Then I cloned the drive again because I didn't want to get rid of the recovery partition if it was not necessary (and getting rid of it did not fix my issue)
I remember last time when I enlarged the partition there were some difficulties with the partition table, because it was obviously (since cloned 100%) based on the old drive size. So I wanted to get gparted live booted - couldnt get it booted and I was too laze to take the drive out, attach it to a Windows PC and run gparted from there.

So... I start gpedit on the old Mac, with the new Mac target Firewired to it. Ran gptedit, it showed two errors about the drive sizes, and asked me whether I want to fix it. I said yes twice. Booted up OSX, and then resizing the partitions was no problem (it also automatically moved the recovery partition to the end drive).

1.5TB on my primary, 1TB on my secondary. This should suffice for at least a year!

I also have the feeling that the new drive runs less hot than the og HGST 750GB which was build in previously.
Code:E 4:54 AM - 13 August, 2013
Quote:
I also have the feeling that the new drive runs less hot than the og HGST 750GB which was build in previously.

Why?
DjCity 1:47 PM - 16 August, 2013
For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.
DjCity 2:06 PM - 16 August, 2013
@nik39

Still waiting for a review from you on the drives performance.

Let us know how it's working out for you in the real world.
djkurve 4:48 PM - 16 August, 2013
Quote:
For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.



Wish they were 7200RPM......
DjCity 4:57 PM - 16 August, 2013
Me too.

I don't know how much of a performance difference there is between 5400 and 7200rpm.

Anyone know if I will see a difference from the 7200 I have in there now?
the SOUNDINSURGENT 5:28 PM - 16 August, 2013
I believe in a different post Mark (I think it was Mark) had said you probably wouldn't notice.
nik39 8:50 PM - 16 August, 2013
5400 or 7200rpm wont make a noticable difference. We're not talking about database applications which need the lowest seek time. High rpms = low seek time (but also higher throughput). 5400 is more than sufficient for VSL/SL.

Quote:
Quote:
I also have the feeling that the new drive runs less hot than the og HGST 750GB which was build in previously.

Why?

I haven't measured the temperature in a scientifical way, just had the impression that this drive heats up the mac less.

Tomorrow will be my first gig with this drive. Will let you know.
nik39 11:49 PM - 16 August, 2013
This bloody thing seems to have an aggressive load/unload pattern when in power save mode. DJMark (or anyone else) - do you have any idea how to disable this on a Mac?
DJMark 11:56 PM - 16 August, 2013
Quote:
This bloody thing seems to have an aggressive load/unload pattern when in power save mode. DJMark (or anyone else) - do you have any idea how to disable this on a Mac?


Have you tried the hdapm thing?

Or are you describing something else?
nik39 12:19 AM - 17 August, 2013
This fixes it:
joernhees.de
nik39 12:20 AM - 17 August, 2013
Ah damned, didn't see your comment, DJMark. My browser didn't refresh correctly.

Yes, hdapm fixes the issue :)
nik39 12:24 AM - 17 August, 2013
This was sufficient to get my drive stopping from loading/unloading (therefor clicking).
Quote:
hdapm disk0 192
DJMark 12:31 AM - 17 August, 2013
Quote:
Ah damned, didn't see your comment, DJMark. My browser didn't refresh correctly.

Yes, hdapm fixes the issue :)


Good to know.

I'm guessing, unless there's some really weird issue with these new drives, they'll be way more than adequate for video DJ-ing. As I've mentioned a few hundred times by now, with today's high areal densities, modern 5400rpm drives are much faster than they used to be.

Also good to see there's a SATA-2 version of that Hitachi 1.5tb drive available.
nik39 12:34 AM - 17 August, 2013
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smartctl 5.41 2011-04-06 r3314 [i386-apple-darwin9.8.0] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: HGST HTS541515A9E630
Serial Number: xxx
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 74bc053f8
Firmware Version: KA0OA500
User Capacity: 1,500,301,910,016 bytes [1.50 TB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 6
Local Time is: Sat Aug 17 02:24:46 2013 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 45) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 062 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail Offline - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 136 136 033 Pre-fail Always - 1
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 29
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail Offline - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 52
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1287
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 171 171 000 Old_age Always - 35 (Min/Max 24/45)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
223 Load_Retry_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 49 -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.


This was quite bad:

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9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 52
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1287

25 power cycles, 52 hours of power on - but 1287 load cycles already. When not in use it was unloading about every 10 seconds.
DJMark 12:47 AM - 17 August, 2013
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25 power cycles, 52 hours of power on - but 1287 load cycles already. When not in use it was unloading about every 10 seconds.


I've seen similar behavior with the WD drives I've been using. If you did the hdapm thing, the future accumulation of load cycles should track closely with that of power cycles.
Code:E 6:22 PM - 29 August, 2013
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For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.


Mark will that HD work in my 2011 17 MBP?

Wont i have issues with it being sata 3?
DjCity 6:28 PM - 29 August, 2013
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For those of you with 2011 Macbooks...
eshop.macsales.com

You can now have 3TB inside your Macbook. This HD will work in the optical bay.


Mark will that HD work in my 2011 17 MBP?

Wont i have issues with it being sata 3?


The people at OWC have adapted their drive to work sata2
Code:E 6:29 PM - 29 August, 2013
so only if i buy that drive at their higher price, will it work in my computer
nik39 7:48 PM - 29 August, 2013
Btw, had my first couple of gigs with this drive. No issues. M only complaint is that the drive has a slower throughput. copying from the drive to the same drive seems to be noticeable slower. :(

But that's only disturbing when you're trying to copy large amounts of files just before a gig ;) doesn't make a difference during playing.
DjCity 10:36 AM - 30 August, 2013
Nic39

What about the power cycles? Do you still have that problem?
If not, how did you correct it?

I would not even know how to find the problem much less correct it.

I plan on getting 2 of these drives. One for the main and one for the optical bay. I would like my mbp to see it at one 3tb drive. At least that's my thinking right now.
nik39 3:02 PM - 30 August, 2013
DjCite

If you scroll up, I have already commented on the loadin/unloading issues.

As Mark already said: If you're using a 2011 MBP, you should stay away from adding SATA2 devices to the optibay. If you're on a different hardware - all good.
DjCity 5:23 PM - 30 August, 2013
I thought sata 2 was good for the 2011mbp. I thought sata 3 was the problem.

I really don't understand the load cycle thing. I just don't want to go through any problems with a new drive.

The drive from OWC is redone to be useable with 2011 mbp in optical bay. (So they say)
DJMark 11:46 PM - 30 August, 2013
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I thought sata 2 was good for the 2011mbp. I thought sata 3 was the problem.


Yes, that is correct.

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I really don't understand the load cycle thing. I just don't want to go through any problems with a new drive.


To keep this really simple: mckinlay.net.nz

To see if you have the problem, download Smart Utility www.volitans-software.com (it runs free for a few times, though I think it's well worth buying as a troubleshooting tool), and re-scan drives a few times. See if "load cycles" accumulate at a higher rate than power cycles. If you've had a drive installed for awhile, you may see many thousands of load cycles.

The issue is that for DJ/VJ use, we really don't want hard drives "unloading"/"reloading" just to save a bit of power.
DjCity 12:16 AM - 31 August, 2013
Good information...

Question.

RAID. Is it safe and/or advisable to have two 1.5tb hd's in RAID 0 so they show up as 1 3tb drive?

OR is it better to simply have two separate drives with two databases?

I'm trying to find the best and easiest way to have 3tb on my machine and manage serato and all my music and videos.
DJMark 1:20 AM - 31 August, 2013
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RAID. Is it safe and/or advisable to have two 1.5tb hd's in RAID 0 so they show up as 1 3tb drive?


It's not something I would do. You're doubling the possibility of failure.

I have two (SSD) drives in my MBP. I use iTunes to manage the library. The normal iTunes library location is on the larger (non-OS) drive, but that drive is nearly full. I've handled the "overflow" by creating some folders on my OS drive, then option-dragging them into iTunes. The option-drag causes iTunes to NOT place a copy in the usual iTunes library location, it will just find the file in whatever folder you've placed it in.

That all works fine with one important detail: you must NEVER move the files that have been placed into iTunes via option-dragging them. If you do that, Scratch Live will "lose" the files (they turn pink). Even if iTunes finds the files moved that way Scratch Live doesn't seem to locate them. So "don't do that".

Since moving files around manually within an iTunes library has always been known to be a Very Very Bad Idea anyway, this isn't really much of a practical problem.

I've been using this method of "library on two drives" and have had zero issues.
DjCity 1:25 AM - 31 August, 2013
I will have to find another way because I do not use itunes.

All my music/videos are in my music folder. I have my folders just like I have my crates (for the most part).
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:36 AM - 31 August, 2013
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I thought sata 2 was good for the 2011mbp. I thought sata 3 was the problem.


Yes, that is correct.

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I really don't understand the load cycle thing. I just don't want to go through any problems with a new drive.


To keep this really simple: mckinlay.net.nz

To see if you have the problem, download Smart Utility www.volitans-software.com (it runs free for a few times, though I think it's well worth buying as a troubleshooting tool), and re-scan drives a few times. See if "load cycles" accumulate at a higher rate than power cycles. If you've had a drive installed for awhile, you may see many thousands of load cycles.

The issue is that for DJ/VJ use, we really don't want hard drives "unloading"/"reloading" just to save a bit of power.


Ok here is my results of my main drive and optibay drive.

What should i be doing to make my drives perform spot on?

i190.photobucket.com

i190.photobucket.com

Any help be nice as not got me head around this yet (still learning)

Cheers.
DJMark 10:55 AM - 31 August, 2013
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Ok here is my results of my main drive and optibay drive.

What should i be doing to make my drives perform spot on?

i190.photobucket.com

i190.photobucket.com


First, what make and model of drives are these? How old are they?

Are you experiencing performance problems?

Seeing a lot of CRC errors on one of them and some strange looking numbers on both. Load cycles are high, but not accumulating at as fast a rate (compared with power-cycles) as I've seen in some other situations.
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:59 AM - 31 August, 2013
main drive disk0 is www.seagate.com 750gb hybrid harddrive.

optibay disk1 is a seagate 500gb not sure on model.

both just over 1 year old.

i installed that hdapm but not sure if it is doing anything or working.
DJMark 11:05 AM - 31 August, 2013
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i installed that hdapm but not sure if it is doing anything or working.


Did you install hdapm at the time you installed the drives, or sometime after?

If the answer is "sometime after", you can tell if the hdapm fix is working by rescanning the drives, and see if the load-cycles are going up or not. Also by checking in a few days, and see if the increase in load cycles tracks the power-cycles (same or nearly same increments upward).
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:17 AM - 31 August, 2013
installed it today, ya did rescan straight after and did not notice any difference.

will be upgrading my drives soon to a 1tb hybrid and a 1.5tb optibay so best run that hdapm as soon as i get them.
Culprit 7:53 PM - 5 September, 2013
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installed it today, ya did rescan straight after and did not notice any difference.

will be upgrading my drives soon to a 1tb hybrid and a 1.5tb optibay so best run that hdapm as soon as i get them.


Hey LJ, I would not recommend using a hybrid drive. I was having issues with disappearing wave forms which I thought was my external fw800 2tb wd green hard drive. After multiple attempts of putting my 2tb drive internally, switching out drives, doing everything backwards and forwards I finally decided to say what the hell and put in my old 500gb 5400 Original Apple Hard Drive in the optical bay and I have had zero issues since.

I am running my Apple Toshiba 5400 500GB in my Optibay slot, and my 2TB WD 5200 RPM drive in my primary drive bay.
DJMark 8:22 PM - 5 September, 2013
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2TB WD 5200 RPM drive in my primary drive bay


What did you do about the bottom of the computer not quite fitting with that 15mm thick drive in there?
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:02 AM - 6 September, 2013
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installed it today, ya did rescan straight after and did not notice any difference.

will be upgrading my drives soon to a 1tb hybrid and a 1.5tb optibay so best run that hdapm as soon as i get them.


Hey LJ, I would not recommend using a hybrid drive. I was having issues with disappearing wave forms which I thought was my external fw800 2tb wd green hard drive. After multiple attempts of putting my 2tb drive internally, switching out drives, doing everything backwards and forwards I finally decided to say what the hell and put in my old 500gb 5400 Original Apple Hard Drive in the optical bay and I have had zero issues since.

I am running my Apple Toshiba 5400 500GB in my Optibay slot, and my 2TB WD 5200 RPM drive in my primary drive bay.


The hybrid drive is the main drive NOT in the optibay as it does not match the spec of the optibay. In the optibay i have a sata2 drive.
Culprit 9:37 PM - 6 September, 2013
LJ - my hybrid drive was also my main drive as well.

DJMARK - I removed the bottom piece and just used the cover I got from Amazon similar to this

www.amazon.com
nik39 10:48 PM - 6 November, 2013
Whut... 2TB at 9.5mm's and 2.5"!

gizmodo.com
djkurve 10:51 PM - 6 November, 2013
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Whut... 2TB at 9.5mm's and 2.5"!

gizmodo.com


youtu.be
nik39 10:57 PM - 6 November, 2013
www.seagate.com

3 platters at 667GB
Culprit 12:08 AM - 7 November, 2013
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www.seagate.com

3 platters at 667GB


Amazing, and made by Seagate. I love my Seagate products mucho.

BTW The 2TB WD I am using internally is 5200 rpms and it works great, so if this is going to be 5400 RPM I am more than happy with that.
Culprit 12:09 AM - 7 November, 2013
SATA 6Gb/s interface support <- we might get compatibility issues with this, but it shows 5400 RPMS :)
Code:E 3:01 AM - 7 November, 2013
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SATA 6Gb/s interface support <- we might get compatibility issues with this, but it shows 5400 RPMS :)

I want to know about this? I would love to use it in my mac or I'm going to have to goto external soon.
Dj Nyce 10:39 AM - 7 November, 2013
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Whut... 2TB at 9.5mm's and 2.5"!

gizmodo.com


in for four!
Dj Nyce 10:40 AM - 7 November, 2013
i'm a fan of samsung. i already have four of the spinpoint m8's. working perfectly for me.
Millz 1:52 PM - 7 November, 2013
So Ive seen reports where they say its a Samsung product, and some reports that its a Seagate product. So which is it? :) Also if its Sata 3, we might have some compatibility issues when using in the optical drive slot....
Dj Nyce 3:10 PM - 7 November, 2013
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So Ive seen reports where they say its a Samsung product, and some reports that its a Seagate product. So which is it? :) Also if its Sata 3, we might have some compatibility issues when using in the optical drive slot....


Seagate bought Samsung Electronics' hard drive business back in December 2011

it is a sata 3 interface, but the samsung specs state that it is backwards compatible with sata 1 & 2. i'm buying one immediately so i'll post back if it works or not in my mbp.
Millz 3:35 PM - 7 November, 2013
Sweet, thanks
nik39 7:03 PM - 7 November, 2013
Not a fan of Samsung hard drives :(
. When will they be available?
Dj TopDonn 7:57 PM - 7 November, 2013
Are these available yet? I currently use WD Drives but for the added capacity will absolutely get a couple of these.
DjCity 8:34 PM - 7 November, 2013
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Seagate bought Samsung Electronics' hard drive business back in December 2011

it is a sata 3 interface, but the samsung specs state that it is backwards compatible with sata 1 & 2.

***i'm buying one immediately so i'll post back if it works or not in my mbp.***


Let us know how it works out for you. Having a 4tb MBP would be sweet.

I have a 2011 MBP so I am curious to know if these will work in the optical bay with no issues.

Where can you pick on of these up? Who is selling them?
Dj Nyce 8:46 PM - 7 November, 2013
so far no one has them listed yet and there's no price. seagate does have it listed on the site tho.
Culprit 1:37 AM - 8 November, 2013
I called my local frys and they said they have had literally hundreds of calls on this product and show anywhere between 2-6 weeks
GRiNDBoX 2:38 AM - 8 November, 2013
wait and wait hehehehehehehe
PopRoXxX 5:04 PM - 14 November, 2013
*Now tracking
DjCity 10:38 PM - 11 December, 2013
Still can't find it for sale.
Culprit 11:56 PM - 11 December, 2013
DjCity 2:40 AM - 15 January, 2014
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So Ive seen reports where they say its a Samsung product, and some reports that its a Seagate product. So which is it? :) Also if its Sata 3, we might have some compatibility issues when using in the optical drive slot....


Seagate bought Samsung Electronics' hard drive business back in December 2011

it is a sata 3 interface, but the samsung specs state that it is backwards compatible with sata 1 & 2. i'm buying one immediately so i'll post back if it works or not in my mbp.


Any news or updates on this drive?
Culprit 5:04 AM - 15 January, 2014
nik39 11:51 AM - 20 February, 2014
No news?
Dj Nyce 1:29 PM - 20 February, 2014
if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com
djpuma_gemini 4:15 PM - 20 February, 2014
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if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com

you sure it's not some funky adapter inside or they soldered the adapter to the hard drive like they did a few years ago.
Dj TopDonn 5:53 PM - 20 February, 2014
Man i'm hoping this can be done. Literally out of space on my 1TB drive now.
Dj Nyce 7:03 PM - 20 February, 2014
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if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com

you sure it's not some funky adapter inside or they soldered the adapter to the hard drive like they did a few years ago.


positive. i've seen it with my own eyes. and i have 2 on order. when i get them i'll post up here.
Culprit 7:25 PM - 20 February, 2014
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Quote:
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if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com

you sure it's not some funky adapter inside or they soldered the adapter to the hard drive like they did a few years ago.


positive. i've seen it with my own eyes. and i have 2 on order. when i get them i'll post up here.


Please do!
nik39 8:12 PM - 20 February, 2014
Not sure.. this usually voids the warranty, and even the drive is usually not covered because these kind of drives used in internals have a OEM serial number :(
Rebelguy 10:08 PM - 20 February, 2014
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Not sure.. this usually voids the warranty, and even the drive is usually not covered because these kind of drives used in internals have a OEM serial number :(


Yep.
DjCity 11:59 PM - 20 February, 2014
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Quote:
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if you want the drive now it's in the seagate backup plus 2tb. just open it up and unplug the sata to usb 3.0 adapter.

www.amazon.com

you sure it's not some funky adapter inside or they soldered the adapter to the hard drive like they did a few years ago.


positive. i've seen it with my own eyes. and i have 2 on order. when i get them i'll post up here.


Yeah. Please do!
Culprit 12:08 AM - 21 February, 2014
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Not sure.. this usually voids the warranty, and even the drive is usually not covered because these kind of drives used in internals have a OEM serial number :(


Yep.


Agreed, they definitely let the oem's have a first shot at bulk order's which is understandable.
Dj Nyce 6:40 AM - 23 February, 2014
m9t is in the 2tb lacie, samsung and seagate externals

www.flickr.com

i'll post up a video later of me gutting the seagate to get my precious.

we don't need no stinking warranty!
djpuma_gemini 7:00 AM - 23 February, 2014
Forgot is this a 9.5mm drive and will it work in the optibay, what's the RPM's on it?
djpuma_gemini 7:01 AM - 23 February, 2014
Nevermind, I found it.
www.seagate.com
Dj TopDonn 4:18 PM - 23 February, 2014
Just ordered one was completely outta space.
Culprit 8:24 PM - 23 February, 2014
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Nevermind, I found it.
docs.google.com


I think honestly it's your best bet to get it with the external because sometimes these drives cost more bare :/
Culprit 8:27 PM - 23 February, 2014
FYI -> www.newegg.com

read the review on this guy
Culprit 8:30 PM - 23 February, 2014
Here is a full review -> www.newegg.com
Culprit 8:33 PM - 23 February, 2014
This is the correct drive to purchase -> www.newegg.com
popnwave 10:11 PM - 23 February, 2014
This will have to hold me over until the 1TB SSDs get cheaper and I can put 2 in my rig.
djkurve 1:09 AM - 24 February, 2014
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This is the correct drive to purchase -> www.newegg.com



Thank you! Just ordered one!
Dj Nyce 4:06 PM - 25 February, 2014
DjCity 4:10 PM - 25 February, 2014
Cool.

Let us know how it works out for you.
Dj Nyce 5:22 PM - 25 February, 2014
um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail
Nicholy 5:39 PM - 25 February, 2014
Good to know, thanks for being the scape goat... hopefully it gets sorted out and you'll be no worse off in the long run.....
nik39 5:40 PM - 25 February, 2014
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um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.#fail

Hm, you are aware of the sata2 issue on some MacBook s, right.?
LJ_WOOLSEY 5:41 PM - 25 February, 2014
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um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail


What year macbook isit? Prob doesn't support the spec of the drive in the cd/dvd sata port.
Code:E 5:44 PM - 25 February, 2014
I had the same problem with a HD in my OWC data doubler. Pretty sure it is because the is SATA3 (1TB HGST) and the port on my computer is SATA 2.
Dj TopDonn 7:50 PM - 25 February, 2014
I have one on order an but I will use it as the primary drive and not put it where I have the data doubler. Hopefully this works.
DJMark 8:16 PM - 25 February, 2014
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I had the same problem with a HD in my OWC data doubler. Pretty sure it is because the is SATA3 (1TB HGST) and the port on my computer is SATA 2.


More precisely, the optical drive port on your computer is in fact SATA 3, but isn't stable with SATA 3 devices. Common issue with the 15 and 17-inch 2011 MBP's.

If Nyce is using a 2012 MBP, I'd tend to suspect some other issue since the 2012 MBP's usually can run SATA 3 devices in the optical bay.
djpuma_gemini 8:37 PM - 25 February, 2014
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Quote:
um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.#fail

Hm, you are aware of the sata2 issue on some MacBook s, right.?

Isn't that drive Sata3?
djkurve 8:37 PM - 25 February, 2014
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I have one on order an but I will use it as the primary drive and not put it where I have the data doubler. Hopefully this works.



That's That's what I planned on doing!
nik39 8:50 PM - 25 February, 2014
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.#fail

Hm, you are aware of the sata2 issue on some MacBook s, right.?

Isn't that drive Sata3?

Yeah, but that's what Mark actually referred to. Only sata2 drives seem to work reliably on some models.
djpuma_gemini 8:53 PM - 25 February, 2014
Hmm. i'll have to see what mine is, but it's only 750GB in the superdrive location.
Culprit 12:56 AM - 26 February, 2014
Quote:
um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail


Try switching spots with the main drive and see if that works.

I've been using the Western Digital WD20NPVT in the main hard drive slot with my OSX Drive where my dvd drive use to be for the past 8 months with no issues.
Code:E 1:06 AM - 26 February, 2014
Quote:
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um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail


Try switching spots with the main drive and see if that works.

I've been using the Western Digital WD20NPVT in the main hard drive slot with my OSX Drive where my dvd drive use to be for the past 8 months with no issues.

I too have been doing the same thing for quite a while.
Culprit 1:08 AM - 26 February, 2014
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
um. yeah. so apparently, the owc data doubler doesn't like the 2tb drive. as soon as you start to do some marginal i/o (copy, paste), the drive unmounts. and you wont be able to mount it back without shutting down and unplugging the drive from owc data doubler and plugging it back in. damn shame.

i pinged owc but haven't heard anything, so back to the 1tb i go.

#fail


Try switching spots with the main drive and see if that works.

I've been using the Western Digital WD20NPVT in the main hard drive slot with my OSX Drive where my dvd drive use to be for the past 8 months with no issues.

I too have been doing the same thing for quite a while.


What hard drive are you using for your os?
Code:E 1:28 AM - 26 February, 2014
seatgate 750gb/8gb ssd hybrid
Culprit 1:32 AM - 26 February, 2014
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seatgate 750gb/8gb ssd hybrid


I had the Seagate 500gb 7200 rpm Hybrid Drive and I was having pausing issues mid sets every time I would dj. I switched it back to my Original Toshiba 500gb 5400 rpm drive and they went away
Dj Nyce 3:05 AM - 26 February, 2014
i tested it in the main slot. it works perfectly fine. but i'd rather have an ssd in the main slot for the os/apps.
Dj Nyce 3:50 AM - 26 February, 2014
reply from owc

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The data doubler works with the M9T. Some computers have issue with 6G drives like the M9T

see compatibility t.co
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my mbp has the 6g port in both locations, but the data doubler still chokes on the m9t.
djpuma_gemini 4:10 AM - 26 February, 2014
^firmware update for either drive?
Code:E 6:25 AM - 26 February, 2014
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my mbp has the 6g port in both locations,

If thats true the SSD will run at the same speeds in the data doubler, and there's nothing saying you cant have your OS on that drive.
DJMark 8:55 PM - 26 February, 2014
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my mbp has the 6g port in both locations, but the data doubler still chokes on the m9t.


Yes, but which exact model MBP do you have?
Dj Nyce 9:36 PM - 26 February, 2014
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my mbp has the 6g port in both locations, but the data doubler still chokes on the m9t.


Yes, but which exact model MBP do you have?


8.3, late 2011 17" 2.4 Ghz
DJMark 10:04 PM - 26 February, 2014
Not going to work with a SATA 3 drive in the optical bay then. Same issue as Code E had.
DJMark 10:05 PM - 26 February, 2014
Has nothing to do with the actual Data Doubler btw...same issue with any optical bay bracket.
nik39 10:24 PM - 26 February, 2014
Mark, wasn't there some "fix" in some of the more recent OS updates?
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:26 PM - 26 February, 2014
No i think there has been special firmware made for certain drives to work in 2011 optibay.
djkurve 10:39 PM - 26 February, 2014
Anyone know if this drive will work in my 15 inch mid 2012 MBP optibay? I also use an OWC data doubler.
Code:E 11:26 PM - 26 February, 2014
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Not going to work with a SATA 3 drive in the optical bay then. Same issue as Code E had.

Exact same issue. I had. I didnt want to listen to DJmark when he told me that before I bought the data doubler.
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Has nothing to do with the actual Data Doubler btw...same issue with any optical bay bracket.

+1 I can confirm this. I have a friend with the 15 inch version of this laptop and het got a ebay $5 bracket with the same issue.



Also to note I, I thought you had a 2012 MBP DJ Nyce. But since you do have a the same as I do you should know that my hybrid seagate drive is in my opt bay right now. My OS is installed on it. It works great but it is slower than when I had it in the factory location.
Code:E 11:27 PM - 26 February, 2014
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Mark, wasn't there some "fix" in some of the more recent OS updates?

Not that I know of. And I have been looking.

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No i think there has been special firmware made for certain drives to work in 2011 optibay.

Thats what I have found
DJMark 11:54 PM - 26 February, 2014
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No i think there has been special firmware made for certain drives to work in 2011 optibay.


Yes, DRIVES with SATA-2 firmware were made. Hitachi drives sold by OWC are one such recent example.
Code:E 12:02 AM - 27 February, 2014
Mark do you know anywhere I can get that firmware from to install on my HGST 1tb drive so it will function in my opt bay?
DJMark 12:08 AM - 27 February, 2014
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Mark do you know anywhere I can get that firmware from to install on my HGST 1tb drive so it will function in my opt bay?


The only way I know of is to buy a drive with that specific SATA-2-limited firmware. Not aware of any way to re-flash the firmware after the fact.
Code:E 12:17 AM - 27 February, 2014
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Mark do you know anywhere I can get that firmware from to install on my HGST 1tb drive so it will function in my opt bay?


The only way I know of is to buy a drive with that specific SATA-2-limited firmware. Not aware of any way to re-flash the firmware after the fact.

Thats the same conclusion I have already come to but it never hurts to ask.
nik39 12:28 AM - 27 February, 2014
forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1584023.html

Isn't that a Hitachi drive they are talking about?
DJMark 1:32 AM - 27 February, 2014
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forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1584023.html

Isn't that a Hitachi drive they are talking about?


"It turned out the root cause was neither my MBP, nor the SATA cable, but the Drive itself. When running at full SATA 3 speed, it will be very unstable like. I contacted Hitachi support and ask them for the tool which can modify the drive so that it will run at SATA 2 only. When I got the tool, I used it to force the drive running at SATA 2 speed only. And the drive is now running happily in my machine in the main bay at SATA 2 speed, along with my SSD running at SATA 3 in the optibay."

Okay so it looks like there's a "tool" one can get from Hitachi.
DJMark 1:35 AM - 27 February, 2014
www.hgst.com

Looks like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.
Dj Nyce 6:07 AM - 27 February, 2014
well that was fun.
nik39 7:53 AM - 27 February, 2014
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www.hgst.com like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.

CD wouldn't be a problem if yiu habe your CD drive on your Mac. You can boot from it.
Code:E 6:05 PM - 27 February, 2014
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www.hgst.com

Looks like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.

OMG I'm wasting a day now. Going to try and get this to work.
Culprit 9:37 PM - 4 March, 2014
nik39 10:06 PM - 4 March, 2014
I would like to see a pic with a MacBook and such a drive implanted :D
djpuma_gemini 10:35 PM - 4 March, 2014

That has to be a 12 or 15mm drive, no way it's 9.5mm
Culprit 12:44 AM - 5 March, 2014
It's probably 2 9.5mm raid 0 drives, anyone got a mbp with the usb 3.0?
Code:E 4:09 AM - 5 March, 2014
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It's probably 2 9.5mm raid 0 drives, anyone got a mbp with the usb 3.0?

I would guess the same. Prob of those new samsung 2tb drives,
DJ Tecoy 4:09 AM - 17 March, 2014
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forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1584023.html

Isn't that a Hitachi drive they are talking about?


"It turned out the root cause was neither my MBP, nor the SATA cable, but the Drive itself. When running at full SATA 3 speed, it will be very unstable like. I contacted Hitachi support and ask them for the tool which can modify the drive so that it will run at SATA 2 only. When I got the tool, I used it to force the drive running at SATA 2 speed only. And the drive is now running happily in my machine in the main bay at SATA 2 speed, along with my SSD running at SATA 3 in the optibay."

Okay so it looks like there's a "tool" one can get from Hitachi.

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www.hgst.com

Looks like you need to run it from a DOS-based diskette (!!) or CD.



Would this work with two SSD's both 1TB. Or would one have to be a standard HD, with the SSD being in the secondary bay and the HD in the main. Is that the only way this will work? I already have my SSD in the main slot, but nothing in the secondary as of yet. Been following this board for a while now. As I also have a early 2011 MBP 2.4Ghz.

I'd like to keep my SSD as my main drive and boot from it. As my secondary just for storage.

Thanks for all the info thus far and in the future. It really helps.
Code:E 4:29 AM - 17 March, 2014
Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!
DJ Tecoy 4:32 AM - 17 March, 2014
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Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!


I've had one since they 1st came out. Love it. I think its the EVO.

But need more internally for storage (1.5TB - 3TB) purposes. Kinda don't want to always carry an external. Although I do for backup purposes.
Code:E 4:45 AM - 17 March, 2014
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Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!


I've had one since they 1st came out. Love it. I think its the EVO.

But need more internally for storage (1.5TB - 3TB) purposes. Kinda don't want to always carry an external. Although I do for backup purposes.

I too thought I needed that much space... I just recently removed 400gb of videos from my computer. Then I use my external for weddings, or mobile when I need that music.

I'm hoping to get one of those samsung 2TB HHD's when they come out for sales so I can have that much space.
Dj Nyce 12:33 PM - 17 March, 2014
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Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!


that's a crazy price. i might have to cop one.
Nicholy 1:19 PM - 17 March, 2014
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Samsung 1TB SSD's are on sale $469!!!!
I think I'm pulling the trigger right now!


linky link?
SBDJ 1:26 PM - 17 March, 2014
Found them on Amazon:

www.amazon.com
Nicholy 1:40 PM - 17 March, 2014
it says SATA backwards compatable, anyone know of any optibay issues w this drive?
djpuma_gemini 2:55 PM - 17 March, 2014
Or the m500's for $439 (960GB though not 1TB)
www.amazon.com
nik39 6:23 PM - 17 March, 2014
I'm down with an SSD once they have 2 TB for an affordable price ;)
PopRoXxX 6:38 PM - 17 March, 2014
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I'm down with an SSD once they have 2 TB for an affordable price ;)


^^^ This! But I foresee us waiting a while
Code:E 8:14 PM - 17 March, 2014
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Or the m500's for $439 (960GB though not 1TB)
www.amazon.com

ist also slower than the samsung (at least the specs say its slower)
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I'm down with an SSD once they have 2 TB for an affordable price ;)


^^^ This! But I foresee us waiting a while

2TB dont even exist yet, let alone start price dropping.

I wouldnt ever expect to see them in a SATA form, most likely they will be PCI-E based hard drives by that point.
nik39 8:10 AM - 18 March, 2014
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I wouldnt ever expect to see them in a SATA form, most likely they will be PCI-E based hard drives by that point.

Why is that? PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops. Do you probably mean mSATA?
Dokumentary 8:56 AM - 18 March, 2014
2TB drives are finally available but not SSD. The spin point M9T has been released (kinda) after being delayed by several months. Check out this thread. serato.com

I don't know how well it works but theoretically you could have 4TB in a MBP running at SATA3 speed. Although it's plenty fast for video DJing, some people with SSD's may be less than thrilled at the speed difference between SSD and HDD. I recently switched from a crappy 256GB Crucial M4 SSD back to a 1TB 7200 rpm HDD as my startup drive and even though the Crucial SSD wasn't a speed demon, my boot up time went from around 11 seconds back to the normal 35-40 seconds.

It's def a trade off: up to 2TB SSD for $940.00 www.amazon.com
or 4TB for less than $250 www.amazon.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:02 AM - 18 March, 2014
We have already seen the 2tb hard drives dont work in the optibay.

Ssd is miles faster than a normaly harddrive and also has no moving parts.

If and when i finnaly get my i7 2.7Ghz 2012 unibody macbookpro 15" then i will get a 1TB ssd in it. And maybe the 1.5tb harddrive for the optibay.
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:13 AM - 18 March, 2014
This 1.5Tb eshop.macsales.com
Dokumentary 9:45 AM - 18 March, 2014
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This 1.5Tb eshop.macsales.com

That's the MBP I have and I have that exact HDD in my optibay!

It works great except I had to replace my knock off optibay with an OWC Data Doubler for some reason. I tried everything then finally broke down and ordered the OWC from amazon.
I popped it in there with the HGST 5K1500 and it mounted right up. I thought I had the perfect setup until my Crucial SSD (in the regular drive bay) took a shit...

Now I have 2.5GB total storage but no SSD. I can tell you from very recent, very frustrating experiences that you are correct about the speed difference. I'm gonna format my Crucial and see if I can get it back in shape but I probably can't afford a new one right now. Let alone $450 for a 1TB.
Dokumentary 9:56 AM - 18 March, 2014
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We have already seen the 2tb hard drives dont work in the optibay.

Ssd is miles faster than a normaly harddrive and also has no moving parts.

If and when i finnaly get my i7 2.7Ghz 2012 unibody macbookpro 15" then i will get a 1TB ssd in it. And maybe the 1.5tb harddrive for the optibay.


Also, does anyone know for sure that the Spinpoint M9T will not work in the optibay drive?
The Optibay product page states that it supports up to 1TB. I can't confirm this as I had a 1TB drive working but it was in an $11 knock off version of the Optibay.
The OWC page says it supports up to 1.5TB (Which I can confirm as I'm using it right now).

Does anyone even know if it's possible? Currently there are no bare drives available in 2TB 9.5mm size so the only way to test this out is to buy the Samsung external, bust it open, and install the Spinpoint M9T inside.

Then the next question is: If it can't be used in the optibay, will it work in the main bay of my 2012 MBP?
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:58 AM - 18 March, 2014
I think if using an ssd you have to make sure trim is enabled.
Dokumentary 10:03 AM - 18 March, 2014
I'm really thinking about just buying the thing and then I'll be able to answer my own questions as well as provide some info for anyone else that's interested. So many of us video guys have 2011 and 2012 MacBooks because we don't want to get stuck with machines that aren't really upgradable (Retina MBP). I'm gonna find out how much storage I can fit into this f*cker and report back for you guys.

Worst case: I get stuck with 2TB external USB 3.0 storage.
Dokumentary 10:03 AM - 18 March, 2014
.... or a fried logic board...
nik39 10:09 AM - 18 March, 2014
Trim and/or SSD and/or which datadoubler you use do not make a difference.

It is simply a SATA2 (3Gbps) vs SATA3 (6Gbps) issue.
Dokumentary 10:13 AM - 18 March, 2014
The M9T is SATA3 and so is my macbook (main bay and optibay) I haven't had any issues with SATA3 drives in either bay. Why would this one be a problem? Cuz of the larger capacity maybe?
nik39 10:15 AM - 18 March, 2014
Please scroll up and read the issue with SATA3 drives. It has been discussed multiple times in this thread ;)
Dokumentary 10:32 AM - 18 March, 2014
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Please scroll up and read the issue with SATA3 drives. It has been discussed multiple times in this thread ;)

How about you just fill me in. I've been reading and posting in this thread for over a year and I don't really feel like reading the whole thing again. (respectfully)

Are you referencing the issue with some 2011 MacBooks where the optical drive has either a 6 Gigabit or 3 Gigabit chipset?
Dokumentary 10:37 AM - 18 March, 2014
I haven't had any issues with SATA3 6gb/s in either bay and both Intel 7 series chipsets show Link and Negotiated Link speeds of 6gb/s when both bays are occupied with SATA3 drives.

Here's a link to someone who seems to have had some success with the M9T in a MBP. forums.macrumors.com

And here's someone who didn't have the same luck. Looks like he has a 2011 though. forums.macrumors.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:47 AM - 18 March, 2014
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Trim and/or SSD and/or which datadoubler you use do not make a difference.

It is simply a SATA2 (3Gbps) vs SATA3 (6Gbps) issue.


Sorry i should have been more clear when using a ssd in the main drive you should enable trim. (This has nothing todo with adding another harddrive to the optibay) :-)
Dokumentary 10:48 AM - 18 March, 2014
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Trim and/or SSD and/or which datadoubler you use do not make a difference.

It is simply a SATA2 (3Gbps) vs SATA3 (6Gbps) issue.


Sorry i should have been more clear when using a ssd in the main drive you should enable trim. (This has nothing todo with adding another harddrive to the optibay) :-)

I was pretty sure that's what you meant. I had Trim enabled but my Crucial drive crapped out anyway. It was less than 5 months old. RIP
Dokumentary 10:49 AM - 18 March, 2014
Here's a guy who had some success with the M9T in a 2010 MBP (main bay I'm assuming). forums.macrumors.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:52 AM - 18 March, 2014
If you really want space i would use the m9t in your main bay then get the 1.5tb from mac sales that has the special firmware for using in the optibay. Least you will have 3.5tb then only 500gb short. And should work well.

Yes you havnt got the bootup speed as no ssd but this is if space really is an issue lools the max you can go at the moment.
Dokumentary 11:01 AM - 18 March, 2014
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If you really want space i would use the m9t in your main bay then get the 1.5tb from mac sales that has the special firmware for using in the optibay. Least you will have 3.5tb then only 500gb short. And should work well.

Yes you havnt got the bootup speed as no ssd but this is if space really is an issue lools the max you can go at the moment.


Somehow I have a feeling that this is the setup that I'm going to end up with as I already have the 1.5TB in my optibay.

If the M9T does not work in the optibay I should end up with 3.5TB

If the 2TB M9T does actually work in the optibay then I'll end up with only 2.256 TB because I'll probably reformat my Crucial M4 and put it back in the main bay with the OS on it.
Dokumentary 11:17 AM - 18 March, 2014
Ok, I went ahead and ordered it. I'll post my results in this thread on Thursday or Friday when it gets here.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:19 AM - 18 March, 2014
It has been stated in this thead the m9t does NOT work in the optibay very at all.

But i guess you can test it all out own your own machine, just to double check.
Dokumentary 11:39 AM - 18 March, 2014
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It has been stated in this thead the m9t does NOT work in the optibay very at all.

But i guess you can test it all out own your own machine, just to double check.

Yeah, I'm gonna try it out. I've read, in this thread and others, that many people have tried it already with varying degrees of success. I guess I'm not as pioneering as I thought.

There's no general consensus that I've discovered so far. Some (though not many) have gotten it to work in the Optibay. Most have gotten it to work in the main bay. I even found a guy who claims to have it working in the optibay of his Mac Mini.

I have yet to read about someone who has 2 of these working. One in the main and one in the Optibay. Which is the main reason why I'm not optimistic about the probability of it working flawlessly at full 6gb/s speed in the optibay. Considering the amount of people that are already experimenting with the M9T. If someone was able to get it running in the Optibay, they'd probably order another one immediately for the main bay.
Dj Nyce 2:20 PM - 18 March, 2014
i can tell you that the m9t does not work in the optibay in certain macbook pros. which ones i do not know. in the two i have, it does not work. so i ended up sending it back.

so my current setup is 1tb ssd (evo) and 1tb spinpoint m8 in the optibay. i think i'll just stick with this until my macbook pro dies.
djkurve 4:01 PM - 18 March, 2014
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i can tell you that the m9t does not work in the optibay in certain macbook pros. which ones i do not know. in the two i have, it does not work. so i ended up sending it back.

so my current setup is 1tb ssd (evo) and 1tb spinpoint m8 in the optibay. i think i'll just stick with this until my macbook pro dies.



Someone should start posting what MBP's it does/doesn't work in. I think it's safe to say a lot of us DJ's on this forum use similar computers.

For example, I have a 15-inch, Mid 2012 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7 MBP w/16GB ram and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1GB video card. Also running OSX 10.9.2
Code:E 5:52 PM - 18 March, 2014
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I wouldnt ever expect to see them in a SATA form, most likely they will be PCI-E based hard drives by that point.

Why is that? PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops. Do you probably mean mSATA?

No I expect most laptop (and all mac already do) take PCI-e Hard drives. And lacie among other brands are already putting out external drives that hold PCI-e drives and not sata.

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I think if using an ssd you have to make sure trim is enabled.

Yes you do!

And you need to get a 3rd party Trim Enabler.

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So many of us video guys have 2011 and 2012 MacBooks because we don't want to get stuck with machines that aren't really upgradable (Retina MBP).

YEP!!!! I work at an apple store and get a deal and I still dont want to upgrade just yet from my 2011 17".... But i'm sure as soon as the next generation comes out (with hopefully a faster video card in it) I will buy one.
PopRoXxX 6:07 PM - 18 March, 2014
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I wouldnt ever expect to see them in a SATA form, most likely they will be PCI-E based hard drives by that point.

Why is that? PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops. Do you probably mean mSATA?

No I expect most laptop (and all mac already do) take PCI-e Hard drives. And lacie among other brands are already putting out external drives that hold PCI-e drives and not sata.

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I think if using an ssd you have to make sure trim is enabled.

Yes you do!

And you need to get a 3rd party Trim Enabler.

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So many of us video guys have 2011 and 2012 MacBooks because we don't want to get stuck with machines that aren't really upgradable (Retina MBP).

YEP!!!! I work at an apple store and get a deal and I still dont want to upgrade just yet from my 2011 17".... But i'm sure as soon as the next generation comes out (with hopefully a faster video card in it) I will buy one.


^^^ Awesome! Now I know who to hit up for my upgrade in the very NEAR future. Let me know when the friends/family discount season comes around again ;)
DJMark 6:42 PM - 18 March, 2014
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PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops.


The "retina" MBP's are now using PCIe internal SSD's...that started with the "late 2013" models.
nik39 8:25 PM - 18 March, 2014
But are they user changeable? The Mac is definitely a consumer product, however since you can't swap the Ssd it is kind of... Not a consumer product ;) at least not an average Joe product.
Code:E 8:46 PM - 18 March, 2014
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PCI-E does not work for consumer products, esp laptops.


The "retina" MBP's are now using PCIe internal SSD's...that started with the "late 2013" models.

and mac book air are also using them. I would expect some PC to adopt it too within the year,
Nicholy 1:24 PM - 19 March, 2014
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^^^ Awesome! Now I know who to hit up for my upgrade in the very NEAR future. Let me know when the friends/family discount season comes around again ;)


Gets in line......
Dokumentary 9:24 PM - 19 March, 2014
I got the Spinpoint M9T from Amazon today. Popped it into my Optibay and it works!!!

Doing some benchmark tests now with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test app. Gimmie about an hour to post a full initial review with pics, video, and benchmark results.

MBP Specs:
Mid 2012 15" Macbook Pro 9,1
Processor 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)
Culprit 9:33 PM - 19 March, 2014
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I got the Spinpoint M9T from Amazon today. Popped it into my Optibay and it works!!!

Doing some benchmark tests now with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test app. Gimmie about an hour to post a full initial review with pics, video, and benchmark results.

MBP Specs:
Mid 2012 15" Macbook Pro 9,1
Processor 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)


They have a few for sale at the Fry's in Vegas. Thinking about getting (1) before I leave town today.
Dokumentary 11:41 PM - 19 March, 2014
I'm going to post my review now but the preview button is not working for some reason. So, I apologize if my links are a little messy. NH
Dokumentary 11:44 PM - 19 March, 2014
I’ll break this review up into sections since the process of installing an M9T into a Macbook is’t exactly standard.

Part 1: Unboxing
The www.seagate.com
Spinpoint M9T is the only 2TB HDD that comes in a slim 9.5mm form factor. Prior to this, the largest available drive that you could fit into a Macbook Pro, Playstation 4, or other slim laptop was a 1.5TB HGST. www.amazon.com

The Spinpoint M9T is not yet available to end users. Seagate/Samsung is only making this drive available to OEM as of now. (mid-March 2014) I’ve read about a Toshiba laptop that will have this drive installed and there are some external drives that will have M9Ts installed. The first of which is the Seagate Backup Plus Slim 2TB Portable External Hard Drive www.amazon.com

So I got one…

…with the intention of opening up the external enclosure to retrieve the bare drive and installing it into my Macbook in the Optibay drive bay or the main drive bay. Note: I have an OWC Data Doubler installed which replaces my original optical drive. (Superdrive). eshop.macsales.com
Since we all know that the OWC serves the same purpose as the product made by Optibay, I will refer to the secondary OWC bay as “optibay” and the main boot drive bay as “main” for the remainder of this review.

2 more things I wanna note before I get started:
1. I have no affiliation with any of the companies represented in this review. In fact I have had more than one bad experience with Seagate/Samsung Hard Drives. This review is meant to be fair and unbiased for the purpose of informing & helping out people on the SERATO FORUM. It’s not meant to prove anyone right or wrong. All I care about is that you (video DJs on the Serato forum) have contributed to the conversation in a meaningful way whether you thought this experiment would work or not. I appreciate all input!

2. This review is meant for my people… Video DJ’s with an interest in expanding the storage capacities of Macbook Pro laptops. Not PS4 or any other device. If this review gets posted elsewhere, remember I’m only talking about the MBP. Also, this modification may not work for all Macbook Pros and does not pertain to Retina MBP.
Dokumentary 11:53 PM - 19 March, 2014
Here’s some pics of the package:
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Opening the case was pretty simple. I didn’t use any tools so as not to damage the original casing. I plan to replace the M9T with another 9.5mm drive and use it as an external backup. There are 4 tabs near each corner that hold the thin metal top of the case to the plastic bottom. They’re not really “click” tabs but more like “indent” type tabs. There is also some glue that holds the sides of the plastic to the metal. I was extra careful to pop all 4 tabs then remove the metal lid slowly. If you’re not careful here you will bend the metal lid.
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Here’s what it looks like inside:
The drive itself has a metal wrapper. This is actually a sticker that I believe serves 2 purposes. The first being to insulate the drive and help dissipate heat. (more on that later in the review). Secondly, it helps to hold the small SATA to USB connector board to the front of the drive.

This drive is heavy. Heavier than any other 2.5” drive I own including 12mm and 15mm ones.

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Remove the wrapper carefully so you don’t leave any sticker residue on the drive itself

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Here it is: The Spinpoint M9T

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note the M9T sticker on the back

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Dokumentary 11:54 PM - 19 March, 2014
Part 2: Installation

With the bare drive removed, I’m ready to open up the Macbook. If you’re familiar with Optibay or OWC devices, you know it’s a relatively straightforward process to install a second drive. I won’t go into the installation process but here’s some pics of the M9T in my Optibay.
www.dropbox.com
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Everything fits in there nicely with no added bulk due to the slim 9.5mm profile of the drive. The drive in the main bay is a 500GB SATA II Toshiba that came with my Mac. I previously had a Crucial 256GB M4 SSD in there but it crapped out about a week ago. I plan to format it and re-install back into the main bay. The SSD will hold my OS and apps. The optibay drive will hold all my documents and media. Including my iTunes library and music videos.

I put the MBP back panel in place and connected the power adapter. Then powered on. It booted up in about 40 seconds. (agony compared to the 11 second boot up with SSD). The drive mounted and showed up on my desktop and also in my finder. If this doesn’t happen right away for you, don’t panic. Just go to Finder > Preferences and click the checkbox next to “Hard disks” and “External disks” in the Devices section.

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The next step was to format the drive for Mac OS Extended (Journaled) in Disk Utility. After that, I rebooted and the Spinpoint M9T showed up again in my finder and was ready to be used.
Dokumentary 12:06 AM - 20 March, 2014
Part 3: Testing

I was able to read and write to/from the drive very quickly. I transferred a 77.5 MB music video file in what seemed like a half second and was immediately able to open it in Quicktime from the Spinpoint M9T. (see video)

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I then used Blackmagic to test out actual read/write times for the drive.
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I don’t know exactly what these numbers mean but as far as I can tell they’re about average for a 5400 RPM drive. The drive is connected at SATA III 6GB/s speed as noted in System Preferences.

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I was a bit underwhelmed when comparing to average speeds of other available drives but, everything seemed to be working properly and real-time transfer speed was blazing fast. Faster than any other drive I’ve had in my Optibay including the 1.5TB HGST 5K1500. Here’s a list for comparison.

www.tomshardware.com

So there it is… proof that the new Spinpoint M9T will work in a Macbook. Not only that but, proof that it’ll work in the Optibay! All is well and life is good right? Everyone should go out and buy 2 of these and have 4TB MBPs, right? Right?


…. Well not so fast. Here’s the issue.

It’s the number one killer of MacBooks and something we as DJs know a lot about:

HEAT...
Dokumentary 12:10 AM - 20 March, 2014
Within minutes of opening a few apps (Safari, Mail, Notes and Quicktime) and while writing this review, the temperature of my Macbook rose from around 74 degrees C to over 105*C. While this is not catastrophic, I have experienced shut-downs in the past when consistently running at this temperature.
As soon as I realized the laptop was warm to the touch near the upper left corner of the keypad (near the power adapter), I opened up SMC Fan Control and spun my fans up to around 4500 rpms. This was enough to dissipate the heat for about 25 mins and the temp dropped slowly back to a safer 80-85*C.

Then the temp started rising again.

I bumped up the RPMs to 6000 and the temp came back down from 105 to around 88*C. It stayed between 92-99 for the remainder of the time but then I noticed something. At one point when the temp began to approach 100*C I lifted the Mac off of it’s bottom plate to see if I could quickly dissipate the heat. When I did this, I noticed that the Spinpoint M9T inside the optibay was not getting particularly hot. I checked the power connector and that was not hot either. It was the Logic Board (motherboard) itself that was warm to the touch.

This alone was enough for me to shut down and uninstall the M9T. I replaced it with the HGST drive I had in there previously and all is well. Temperatures are back to normal. I do still plan to test the M9T in the main drive. Probably later tonight.

Conclusion:
While it’s possible to do this mod, I don’t personally recommend it due to the heat issues. Unless you have some way to keep your Macbook temperature regulated, There’s just too much heat to feel confident that you’re not going to fry the Logic Board. This is just with normal programs too. I can’t imagine what would happen if I had opened and used SSL and Mixemergency for any extended period of time.

Let me know what you guys think is causing the heat issue and if there’s a way to alleviate it. Thanks.
DJMark 12:39 AM - 20 March, 2014
Interesting review there.

If the drive itself doesn't seem to be throwing off a lot of heat, my next suspicion would be that it's drawing more electrical current than the MBP's electronics are designed to provide an internal hard drive.

If that's the case, it may explain why the drive is only available in external enclosures.

Perhaps if you try putting the drive back, you might check Activity Monitor to see if some application/process might be causing high CPU usage and explaining the high temperatures.

If you don't see any significant CPU usage in that scenario, I'd suspect the electrical requirements of the drive as the problem.
DJMark 12:46 AM - 20 March, 2014
Also, I would definitely regard 105C as "catastrophic". It's at the rated temperature limit of the CPU and some of the other components, and at the very least WILL (probably drastically) shorten their lifespan.
Dokumentary 1:08 AM - 20 March, 2014
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Also, I would definitely regard 105C as "catastrophic". It's at the rated temperature limit of the CPU and some of the other components, and at the very least WILL (probably drastically) shorten their lifespan.

Agreed.
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Interesting review there.

If the drive itself doesn't seem to be throwing off a lot of heat, my next suspicion would be that it's drawing more electrical current than the MBP's electronics are designed to provide an internal hard drive.

If that's the case, it may explain why the drive is only available in external enclosures.

Perhaps if you try putting the drive back, you might check Activity Monitor to see if some application/process might be causing high CPU usage and explaining the high temperatures.

If you don't see any significant CPU usage in that scenario, I'd suspect the electrical requirements of the drive as the problem.


I was hoping to hear from you DJMark. Thanks for your input. I agree that it may be a power draw issue. Might be an indication as to why the M9T hasn't been released to the public yet. Also, the heat issue may be why it comes wrapped in foil. lol.
Dokumentary 3:01 AM - 20 March, 2014
Ok, I put the M9T in the main bay and loaded Lion from Internet recovery. Gonna update to Mavericks now but so far no heat issues. I've been using it for about 40 mins and my Macbook stays between 65-72 degrees C. I actually now have 3.5TB storage but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.
Culprit 3:10 AM - 20 March, 2014
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Ok, I put the M9T in the main bay and loaded Lion from Internet recovery. Gonna update to Mavericks now but so far no heat issues. I've been using it for about 40 mins and my Macbook stays between 65-72 degrees C. I actually now have 3.5TB storage but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.


Im cool witb using it in the main bay. What mbp year do you have again?
Dokumentary 4:52 AM - 20 March, 2014
I posted specs right above my review. Did you end up getting one?
Culprit 5:25 AM - 20 March, 2014
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I posted specs right above my review. Did you end up getting one?


Sorry long day at work today. Not yet no, tomorrow most likely.
Code:E 6:53 AM - 20 March, 2014
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This alone was enough for me to shut down and uninstall the M9T. I replaced it with the HGST drive I had in there previously and all is well. Temperatures are back to normal. I do still plan to test the M9T in the main drive. Probably later tonight.

What are your normal operating temps?
Code:E 7:00 AM - 20 March, 2014
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but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.

Not so fast. You have a 2012 MBP. It has a fully working Sata3 port in the optbay if i'm correct. I would give the SSD with the OS a try in the there. I know it will work. My os on my optbay drive. But give it a test and see how fast it is. The SSD "should" not draw as much power.
DJ Tecoy 8:56 AM - 20 March, 2014
So after all this, looks as if my best bet is to use the HGST 1.5TB with the OWC Optibay doubler in my 2011 MBP 15", while keeping my 1T SSD in the main bay. Think that may do it.
Dokumentary 11:29 AM - 20 March, 2014
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but I'm conflicted as I still kinda want to reformat my M4 SSD and see if it's ok. If it is, then I'm going to be real tempted to make that one my boot drive and then I'll only have about 1.7TB. with a 2 TB Time Machine.

Not so fast. You have a 2012 MBP. It has a fully working Sata3 port in the optbay if i'm correct. I would give the SSD with the OS a try in the there. I know it will work. My os on my optbay drive. But give it a test and see how fast it is. The SSD "should" not draw as much power.


This idea hadn't even crossed my mind. Back when I first started using an optibay I pretty much decided I would never do this. This was based on the info I had at the time (2010).

Things are a bit different now that my MBP has SATA III on both ports. Does anyone else have their MBP set up like this? Any reasons why I shouldn't try it?

Code:E, have you tested read/write speeds using the SSD with both ports? I'm sure you're right about the power draw with SSD. I'll prob give it a try later today.

Thanks!
Dokumentary 11:35 AM - 20 March, 2014
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This alone was enough for me to shut down and uninstall the M9T. I replaced it with the HGST drive I had in there previously and all is well. Temperatures are back to normal. I do still plan to test the M9T in the main drive. Probably later tonight.

What are your normal operating temps?


I'd say anything between 60*C (basic web browsing) and 80*C (videos playing in iTunes/Quicktime or any Adobe design programs that utilize the discreet graphics). Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.
nik39 12:15 PM - 20 March, 2014
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Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.

Same here. Fans have been cleaned. I have no idea why this is happening.
Dokumentary 12:29 PM - 20 March, 2014
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Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.

Same here. Fans have been cleaned. I have no idea why this is happening.

And I'm sure you keep it clean inside like I do. Anyone who has an Optibay is in there enough times that it never gets gunked up to badly. Mine only started overheating in the last few weeks or so. I've had the same setup inside since last April.

I wonder if Mavericks changed the behavior of the fans in some way. Or maybe it changed the way the GPU is utilized.
nik39 12:30 PM - 20 March, 2014
Don't get me started on Mavericks. I have the feeling that it reacts very sluggish.
Dokumentary 12:44 PM - 20 March, 2014
Agreed. Something ain't right
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:22 PM - 20 March, 2014
Snow leopard still best for low heat and low cpu/ram in my tests. But obviously cant be used on newer laptops.
Dj Nyce 2:02 PM - 20 March, 2014
i have heard people talk about the m9t and unusually high temps. i can attest that it was warm as hell when i was doing the restore to it.
popnwave 4:16 PM - 20 March, 2014
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Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.

Same here. Fans have been cleaned. I have no idea why this is happening.

And I'm sure you keep it clean inside like I do. Anyone who has an Optibay is in there enough times that it never gets gunked up to badly. Mine only started overheating in the last few weeks or so. I've had the same setup inside since last April.

I wonder if Mavericks changed the behavior of the fans in some way. Or maybe it changed the way the GPU is utilized.


I just had my 15-inch, Mid 2012 in the shop for pushing 200F at times and after 72 hours of monitoring (even though it ran hot, it's never locked up) they gave it back and said it was still in working parameters. Scary, but it still runs like a champ and the heat is coming off of the damn video card on the left side of the system for me, not anywhere near the optibay in all of my stress testing.
Code:E 1:33 AM - 21 March, 2014
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Code:E, have you tested read/write speeds using the SSD with both ports? I'm sure you're right about the power draw with SSD. I'll prob give it a try later today.

I have a 2011. And its slower in thin optbay. But I'm using a a hybrid drive not an SSD yet.

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Above 90* and I'll usually ramp up the fans for a minute or two. Seems to happen more often lately.

Same here. Fans have been cleaned. I have no idea why this is happening.

And I'm sure you keep it clean inside like I do. Anyone who has an Optibay is in there enough times that it never gets gunked up to badly. Mine only started overheating in the last few weeks or so. I've had the same setup inside since last April.

I wonder if Mavericks changed the behavior of the fans in some way. Or maybe it changed the way the GPU is utilized.

Serato and ME take me to 74. as soon s i add resolume to the mix i get to 85 (I always have my fans running at max (5500rpm) the entire time i'm djing. once i pass 83 (ish) my battery stops charing. So I'm unable to run resolume well DJIng anymore. It really sucks and makes me want to buy a new laptop.

I recently had fans removed and cleans and had heat sinks take off the CPU and Video card and had them cleaned and new good thermal paste applied. Brought me down a deg or 2. But taking off my speak case has helped far more. But I'm still getting the charging issue. Also I do have to run ME at 50% quality or ME and Serato will get the computer too hot .
Culprit 2:44 AM - 21 March, 2014
Do you have the bottom removed as well? I do and i just use the plastic cover and thats helped me keep it cool and also easier to clean and maintain
Culprit 6:00 AM - 9 April, 2014
Samsung Spinpoint M9T Hard Drive Installed on MacBook Pro (MacBookPro6,2)

Run's great so far. I have it installed in my optibay area or dvd drive area. I was having some lag issues, but I think it's because I need to reanalyze all my files since I had mixed in key 6 reanalyze all my files and update my tags.

www.mediafire.com

The "HDAPM" Hack does not work on these drives in the optibay area.
Dokumentary 11:16 PM - 9 April, 2014
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Samsung Spinpoint M9T Hard Drive Installed on MacBook Pro (MacBookPro6,2)

Run's great so far. I have it installed in my optibay area or dvd drive area. I was having some lag issues, but I think it's because I need to reanalyze all my files since I had mixed in key 6 reanalyze all my files and update my tags.

www.mediafire.com

The "HDAPM" Hack does not work on these drives in the optibay area.


It's great to hear that it's working for you. I think I'm having a GPU issue which is heating up my laptop. That could be the reason why it didn't work out for me. Maybe when I can afford to get my Logic Board replaced, I'll give it another try.
popnwave 11:28 PM - 9 April, 2014
Looks like the M9T will be my next treat to myself.
Bigga Bounce Ent 1:28 AM - 10 April, 2014
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^^^This^^^ i'de like to pick up 2. Does anyone know if it's shipping in Canada yet??
Bigga Bounce Ent 11:54 PM - 10 April, 2014
OK, is there a place online that will ship to Canada?
popnwave 12:42 AM - 11 April, 2014
Amazon?
Culprit 1:57 AM - 11 April, 2014
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Amazon or Frys
Millz 6:07 PM - 3 May, 2014
I can use some space on my Mac! My WD green 2tb external 2.5 is clicking and has to be repaired every other gig. Currently I have a 500gbish Samsung 840 primary and a wd 1tb in the opitbay, along with this wd 2.5 green fw800ed out external. I need space! :)
nik39 7:50 PM - 3 May, 2014
4TB SSD, 2.5".. Unfortunately SAS drive... Announce from SanDisk

www.sandisk.com

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4TB of Capacity for Scalability and Faster Business Time-to-Results

The Optimus MAX 4TB** SSD is the industry’s first SAS SSD to deliver high-density data storage and efficient data throughput for enterprise, cloud and virtualized data centers, surpassing all maximum capacity SAS SSDs and SAS HDDs on the market today. This 4TB SSD provides SAS performance at the cost of SATA SSD-like prices and enables organization to transition to a leaner infrastructure model. The Optimus MAX SSD is designed for read-intensive applications such as data warehousing, media streaming, web servers, video on demand (VOD), and web-based applications, with a typical workload comprised of a 90/10 read/write mix.

The Optimus MAX SSD utilizes the latest 19nm eMLC NAND flash technology combined with the innovative Guardian Technology™ Platform to deliver high performance, superior reliability and enhanced endurance for maximum application scalability and total cost of ownership (TCO) savings.


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Optimus MAX™ 2.5” SAS SSD

(Preliminary specifications subject to change)
Performance/IOPS
Interface SAS 6Gb/s
Interface Ports Dual/Wide
Sequential Read/Write (MB/s)** Up to 400/400 MB/s**
Random Read/Write (IOPS) Up to 75K/15K IOPS**
Capacity
19nm eMLC User Capacity** 4TB
Reliability
Sector Sizes 512, 520, 528 byte
Data Reliability (BER) 1 unrecoverable error in 1017 bits read
MTBF** 2.5M hours
Data Fail Recovery F.R.A.M.E. (Flexible Redundant Array of Memory Elements)
Power Fail Recovery EverGuard™ Technology: Backup Power Circuitry
Data Path Protection DataGuard™ Technology
Warranty** Lesser of 5 years or maximum endurance used
Endurance
DWPD (Random Workload)** 1 – 3 DWPD
Power
Vcc 5V, - 5%/+10%
Active (Typ) 7W
Environmental
Shock 1000 g half-sine, 0.5 msec. 3 shocks along each axis, X , Y, Z, in each direction
Vibration 2.17 g rms, 7-800 Hz
Operating Temperature 0C to 70⁰ C (internal)
Storage Temperature -40⁰ C to 90⁰ C
Humidity 5% to 95% non-condensing, relative humidity
Altitude 5486.4 m [18,000 ft.]
Mechanical
Length 100.20 mm
Width 69.85 mm
Height 9.50 mm/15.00 mm

Optimus MAX 2.5” SAS SSD - Ordering Information
Part Number Capacity
SDLLOC6M-038T-5Cxx 4TB
xx - Pack Out Option:
Generic/Sample: A1
10 Pack: 02
Bulk Pack: 03
nik39 8:16 PM - 3 May, 2014
Some more press info:

www.sandisk.com


1 to 3 DWPD ("2 Warranty/full Drive Writes Per Day - The lesser of 5 years from the date of manufacture of the product or the date on which the product’s relevant endurance
thresholds set forth in the product specifications are reached."

Writing 4TB a day for 5 years? Wowsers!
Available in Q3 2014.

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Optimus MAX™ SSD (1-3 full DWPD)2
[...]

With this update, the Optimus SSD product family delivers a single SAS platform that can address a broad range of enterprise application performance, capacity and endurance requirements.

The Optimus MAX SSD and renewed Optimus family of drives will be available with TCG Enterprise Security Subsystem Class compliance to select OEMs and through the channel in Q3-2014. For more information about the Optimus MAX SSD or the rest of the Optimus product family, please visit www.sandisk.com. A video about the new Optimus MAX can also be viewed at Watchwww.youtube.com and further notes on the potential Optimus MAX brings to data center infrastructure can be read on the SanDisk Enterprise Blog site.


With a projected doubling of space next year.

Maaaan.. 4TB SSD. I would get rid of my optibay drive, and my internal drive and replace it with this single SSD. But I expect a high price, really high. :-(
Code:E 10:32 PM - 3 May, 2014
But these are SAS drives, we cant use these in our macr or external enclosure can we?
Dj Nyce 2:16 AM - 4 May, 2014
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But these are SAS drives, we cant use these in our macr or external enclosure can we?


while sata and sas drives share the same connection, sas drives cannot be connected to a sata backplane. sata drives, on the other hand, may be connected to an sas backplane though.
nik39 9:45 AM - 4 May, 2014
There may be adapter to connect an sas drive with USB or firewire.... But that's not the point. I want to be able to use it as an internal drive natively.
They point is: the technology is ready. Let's hope they will release a sata version. This makes only sense if the prices fit into the end consumer market (sas = pro market). If one drive is 12k (someone estimated that price based on current prices), it won't make sense to sell such drives into the consumer market with a consumer interface.
Culprit 5:52 PM - 4 May, 2014
These would make a killing inside 4k hd sony cameras. 4tb worth of hd recording in a changeable bay, man rental companies would buy dozens at at any price. Will save so much time in the field
WarpNote 7:22 PM - 4 May, 2014
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These would make a killing inside 4k hd sony cameras. 4tb worth of hd recording in a changeable bay, man rental companies would buy dozens at at any price. Will save so much time in the field

And for Blackmagic design cameras....
nik39 3:25 PM - 17 May, 2014
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i have heard people talk about the m9t and unusually high temps. i can attest that it was warm as hell when i was doing the restore to it.

Hey Nyce,

do you have more details and maybe links?

Is heat really an issue with the M9Ts?
Dj Nyce 4:18 PM - 17 May, 2014
since it didn't work in my 2011 mbp, i sent it back.

it did get warm during restore. while it was in the macbook, it kept disconnecting so it never got a chance to get warm (or not).

the drive is so new so there's not enough info about temps. i've heard a few reports about people using them in ps4's, etc and they got no warmer than the og drive.

i'm a big fan of samsung. i have 8+ samsung 2.5" and 3.5" drives. and they have been nothing but solid performers. i would have no problem purchasing the m9t if it worked in my optical bay slot.

that being said i will be buying (4) m9t's when they are released stand alone for both of my oyen digital raid enclosures.
nik39 5:08 PM - 17 May, 2014
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it did get warm during restore. while it was in the macbook, it kept disconnecting so it never got a chance to get warm (or not).

Do you mean in the main bay or in the secondary?

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the drive is so new so there's not enough info about temps. i've heard a few reports about people using them in ps4's, etc and they got no warmer than the og drive.

The tech specs say:


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POWER REQUIREMENTS

Voltage: +5V ± 5%

Spin-up Current (max): 1000 mA

Read/Write (avg)3: 2.3W

Low Power Idle (avg): 0.7W

Standby (avg): 0.18W

Sleep (avg): 0.18W


This is more than my current HGST drive:

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Startup (W, peak, max)
5.0
Seek (W, average)
1.8
Read/Write (W, average)
1.6
Performance idle (W, average)
1.5
Idle (Avg.)

Active idle (W, average)
0.8
Low power idle (W, average)
0.5
Standby (W, average)
0.2
Sleep (W)
0.1

That's about 50% more. But in total this is like 0.8W more. I doubt that this would make a significant change.

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that being said i will be buying (4) m9t's when they are released stand alone for both of my oyen digital raid enclosures.

Do you know when they will be available?

I must say this is one of the most constructive threads I came across this board! Nothing but good and helpful information without the usual bickering and fighting :)

Thanks to everyone contributing!!
Dj Nyce 5:44 PM - 17 May, 2014
my bad...it wasn't a restore it was a copy. i was copying my existing hdd to the new m9t. during that copy the m9t got warm. warmer than any other drive ever in my mbp.

an ssd was in the 1st bay, the m9t was in the 2nd bay and the old 2nd bay hdd was plugged in via a sata to thunderbolt adapter.

i have no idea when this will available stand alone. if you really want one you could just buy one of the externals that are out right now. the hard drive in them is exactly what will be sold to the general market.
Culprit 11:00 PM - 17 May, 2014
I am having zero issues with mine in the optibay. I am, however, running my macbook pro with the bottom removed and just utilizing the plastic cover I got from amazon, and it seem's to help with heat dispersion.

www.mediafire.com
Dj Nyce 6:36 AM - 18 May, 2014
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I am having zero issues with mine in the optibay. I am, however, running my macbook pro with the bottom removed and just utilizing the plastic cover I got from amazon, and it seem's to help with heat dispersion.

www.mediafire.com


which macbook pro are you running tho? i tried it in a late 2011 17" and a 2009 13".
Culprit 4:35 AM - 19 May, 2014
Culprit 4:37 AM - 19 May, 2014
whoops wrong mediafire link, mods you can take that link out please.. not trying to get this thread locked

correct link

www.mediafire.com
nik39 3:11 PM - 19 May, 2014
BTW, this review here :

www.storagereview.com

says:

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Compared to the other drives tested, the Spinpoint M9T showed an average idle and startup power consumption of 0.87W and 4.30W, respectively. However, it consumed less power during write, read, and random read tasks (2.86W, 2.79W, and 2.28W, respectively) than any of the other drives tested (the only exception being the Seagate Laptop Thin SSHD, which only consumed 2.07W during random read tasks).
Funkytownstopsix 4:36 PM - 19 May, 2014
All my video career I have used external drives (powered) when using Macbook Pro's. 7200 and 5400 have never had an issue. The only issues I have as far as speed using a Mac is Maverick for some reason it slows everything down as far as serato so much so I am considering downgrading to leopard. (2012 Macbook Pro)

Now on my PC which plays smoother than my Mac on Maverick, I have two hard drives in it, one 1tb 7200 the other 2tb 5400 I can't see any speed issues between the two. I purchased the 2tb off ebay for like 80 dollars is was thicker than most laptop drives I knew this and got lucky that it barely fit in my HP would never fit into the MAC. I use a usb 3.0 external drive as a backup to the hard drive in the PC laptop. Actually I have four externals that I use regular (2) firewire 800 2TB , (1) 3tb 3.0 usb and (1) firewire 6TB that all mirrors of each other and I have an adaptor to use my firewire drives on my PC laptop as well.

What I find funny about this is people say they don't want to use externals but what would be your back up if your drive died at a gig? As a person who has been in that position I take two laptops and my external drives with me and I can use each laptop will all my drives thanks to software. FYI I have 8 2tb drives in my desktop which backs up all my files as well. To lose data is to lose money... back it up ....

Only advise I would give if using externals, make sure they are powered and not powered by the usb or firewire ports.....I still have and use externals from the first day serato put video and they still work fine. FYI I understand fully why you want the internal drives when using my pc that's all this there is a laptop, going to a club just a laptop... Trust me I understand.
WarpNote 4:45 PM - 19 May, 2014
@ Funkytownstopsix,
Why would you not use a thunderbolt bus power?
Culprit 4:55 PM - 19 May, 2014
My macbook pro has some weird issues with externals. Ever since it was brand new with OSX 10.6.2 and After about an hour of djing i would load a track and get a long screen pause, sometimes the audio would drop out. Powered or non powered, even after a replacement board and every version of ssl audio or video.
WarpNote 5:05 PM - 19 May, 2014
@ Culprit,
Did you use usb, firewire or thunderbolt externals?
Culprit 5:05 PM - 19 May, 2014
Firewire 800
Culprit 5:07 PM - 19 May, 2014
Its not an issue im concerned with anymore i gave up on it, i am just justifying why i use exclusive internal hard drive for my videos now.
WarpNote 5:11 PM - 19 May, 2014
Ah ok, I'm kinda getting why you do these "crazy" mods now :D
From the top of my head, that issue sounds like a drive going into sleep mode...
Funkytownstopsix 5:39 PM - 19 May, 2014
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@ Funkytownstopsix,
Why would you not use a thunderbolt bus power?

never needed too...My old mac didn't have it the new mac does but never needed to because of my drives..

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My macbook pro has some weird issues with externals. Ever since it was brand new with OSX 10.6.2 and After about an hour of djing i would load a track and get a long screen pause, sometimes the audio would drop out. Powered or non powered, even after a replacement board and every version of ssl audio or video.

Yeap that's what it does to me as well not all the time but enough for me to say downgrade. :)
Funkytownstopsix 5:41 PM - 19 May, 2014
FYI don't think it's the drive because I can use it on my pc and it never pasue...and my pc has software on it to read to read a mac drive.All of my drives or formatted for mac because it's what I use most ME....
WarpNote 5:50 PM - 19 May, 2014
Never ever had issues with the FW or TB buspower. Just sayin'
And I do have an issue with all those goddamn wires in the booth... ;-)
DJMark 7:04 PM - 19 May, 2014
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I am considering downgrading to leopard. (2012 Macbook Pro)


There is no way Leopard (came out in 2007) is going to run on a 2012 Macbook pro.

Maybe you meant Mountain Lion...

I have to say, I'm not seeing any particular performance issues with Maverick...but I also wouldn't use USB drives for live performance. Thunderbolt-connected external SSD has been fine.
Culprit 12:42 AM - 20 May, 2014
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FYI don't think it's the drive because I can use it on my pc and it never pasue...and my pc has software on it to read to read a mac drive.All of my drives or formatted for mac because it's what I use most ME....


This is also what irked me as well, I would use same external on another 2008 macbook pro fw port and no pauses, even USB 2.0, it would lag a little but never pause. I just gave up on it.
Funkytownstopsix 3:21 AM - 20 May, 2014
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I am considering downgrading to leopard. (2012 Macbook Pro)


There is no way Leopard (came out in 2007) is going to run on a 2012 Macbook pro.

Maybe you meant Mountain Lion...

I have to say, I'm not seeing any particular performance issues with Maverick...but I also wouldn't use USB drives for live performance. Thunderbolt-connected external SSD has been fine.


I'm not using usb on mac ,,,, firewire... To each his own.....on how they roll... Due to the fact that you have to jump through hoops to upgrade a mac to have two hard drives voiding the warranty in doing so was not an option for me. I have never had a external drive fail on me but I have had a hard drive crash. For me either way I am prepared for what might happen.
popnwave 9:40 AM - 20 May, 2014
FYI, I've had my 2012 MBP in for service and removing the optical drive and putting a bracket and HDD in there didn't cause any issues warranty or AppleCare wise.
nik39 12:28 AM - 21 May, 2014
So I took the plunge and bought the M9T. Opening the case was not too difficult, thanks to the pics form Dokumentary :)

My old setup looked like this:

1. main bay: HGST HTS5415... 1.5TB, 6G (Sata3)
2. secondary bay: WD10JPVT 1.0TB, 3G (Sata2)

I decided to move the HGST 1.5TB into the secondary bay, and add the M9T in the main bay.

As always it was terrible getting my mac to boot up with a bootable USB thumbdrive and linux on it - I simply didn't manage it. Then tried to boot from CD, which worked, but it halted at some point. Then I accidentally pressed a key on the keyboard and realized that it did not halt, but that the screen was not refreshing correctly. That led me to the gfx driver causing issues. Disabling this finally helped, but I found this out too late. I dd'ed/imaged the drives by doing a sector based copy, which was very easy. Then I ran across the same issue as before, namely OSX would not let me enlarge the partition, because it maintained the exact same layout as before:
1. boot
2. OS
3. recovery

Using gparted on my Windows machine worked fine and I was able to move the recovery partition to the end, then in OSX it was possible to enlarge the OS partition to regain the new space.

Another big headache: Since I have a 2011 MBP model, the secondary bay does not work correctly with Sata3 6G. I forgot this when I reassembled the Mac, and I was to lazy to pull out the drive again, so I thought I could get the HGST tool running on my Mac to limit the HGST to Sata2 3G. The CD would load, but it would not detect the keyboard and/or the mouse. So I could not control the software - great. After a a few hours I gave up, opened the Mac, popped out the drive, inserted it into my PC but the tool would not work. This time it would not see any drive. I remember I switched the SATA modes from regular ATA to AHCI, reverted it, and the tool would see the drives. But.. it would not allow to change any settings - damned it. I read somewhere there is a known issue with some new Intel chipsets. Greeeeat! >:-(

My next idea was to use my 2006 MBP to start the tool. Opened the Mac (again, screws bla bla, more difficult since this was not a unibody MBP), built in the M9T. Tool would boot, but would not see the drive (which I found out later was because I forgot to connect the SATA cable back to the mainboard... grrr). At that point I almost lost all my hope, but I remembered the thread on MacRumours ( forums.macrumors.com ) where someone explicitly confirmed that this HGST drive was usable and he was able to switch the SATA modes with the software ( forums.macrumors.com ). *However* I was using the latest version 2.15 which DJMark has posted the links. Expecting it to work better. Tried the older HDDFT10.iso.zip which this guy was using and this time it worked! It also worked straight away on my 2011 MBP. Hooray!

So now I have 3.5 TB. This should suffice at least a year, if not more. Then hopefully we'll get more affordable and bigger SSDs.

New setup:
1. main bay: Samsung Spinpoint M9T 2.0TB, 6G (Sata3)
2. secondary bay: HGST HTS5415... 1.5TB, 6G (Sata3) - limited to 3G Sata2

The M9T shows up as slightly warmer than the HGST. But the overall heat seems to be similar as before.


Here is the link to the HDDFT10.iso.zip

forums.macrumors.com


Now I have to buy a bigger timemachine backup drive ;)
Culprit 4:59 AM - 21 May, 2014
Just curious, is anyone running Raid 0 in their macbook pro's?
DJ Baby Boy 10:27 AM - 21 May, 2014
I've been running my MBP's in Raid 0 for about 5 years now and haven't had any issues at all ... Currently I'm running two WD Blue 1tb drives in my 2012 MBP and this thing is a complete power house ... I'm really looking for the m9t's to be released to I can run my MBP at 4tb and move most of my video library back over to an internal drive instead of taking my external to every gig
Funkytownstopsix 12:26 PM - 21 May, 2014
4tb laptop drive would be nice,,,, very nice,,, but the cost I am sure will be very high,,,, very high.. : )
the SOUNDINSURGENT 3:16 PM - 21 May, 2014
Can we get a recap of what drives work in which year macbook pros please??

I should have said which drives work in the optibay for which year MacBook Pro?
Culprit 5:48 PM - 21 May, 2014
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I've been running my MBP's in Raid 0 for about 5 years now and haven't had any issues at all ... Currently I'm running two WD Blue 1tb drives in my 2012 MBP and this thing is a complete power house ... I'm really looking for the m9t's to be released to I can run my MBP at 4tb and move most of my video library back over to an internal drive instead of taking my external to every gig


I was going to try this which is why i asked. Raid 0 is risky for sure tho. I already bought 2 of those 2tb hard drives just need to install the other one and set it up in raid 0 mode. Anyone else running raid 0?
DJ Baby Boy 8:32 PM - 21 May, 2014
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I've been running my MBP's in Raid 0 for about 5 years now and haven't had any issues at all ... Currently I'm running two WD Blue 1tb drives in my 2012 MBP and this thing is a complete power house ... I'm really looking for the m9t's to be released to I can run my MBP at 4tb and move most of my video library back over to an internal drive instead of taking my external to every gig


I was going to try this which is why i asked. Raid 0 is risky for sure tho. I already bought 2 of those 2tb hard drives just need to install the other one and set it up in raid 0 mode. Anyone else running raid 0?


I've always been told about the risks of running in raid 0 and fully understand and because of that I make backups of my gig drive every month on an external as well as the daily backups to time machine ... I also cary a bootable 64gb usb3 flash drive with me should the worst happen ... What is the exact drive that you bought Culprit?
Culprit 9:58 PM - 21 May, 2014
the samsung m9t
DJ Baby Boy 11:05 PM - 21 May, 2014
but since the bare drive isn't available which external is it that you gutted
Culprit 11:54 PM - 21 May, 2014
www.amazon.com

This is the one, I got 2 of them at a good deal. Thinking of going Raid 0, still debating.
DJ Baby Boy 2:57 AM - 30 May, 2014
So for everyone wondering about the m9t's I have put 4tb inside my MBP it's a 2012 2.3i7 16gb ram and I put the two m9t's in a raid 0 configuration ... I've been putting it through it's paces all day without any issues whatsoever It runs just as smoothly as the 2 scorpio blues that I had in raid 0 and that's with running SL 2.5 SDJ 1.6.3 & ME 2.5.1 ... It doesn't get any hotter than the WD's did and battery drain is only slightly higher than with the WD's I'll be using it this weekend at my residencies but I'll also be taking my backup MBP with me just in case anything goes wrong I've been running this with 2 1210mk2's and 62 as well as a ddjsx
Dokumentary 3:29 AM - 30 May, 2014
Quote:
So for everyone wondering about the m9t's I have put 4tb inside my MBP it's a 2012 2.3i7 16gb ram and I put the two m9t's in a raid 0 configuration ... I've been putting it through it's paces all day without any issues whatsoever It runs just as smoothly as the 2 scorpio blues that I had in raid 0 and that's with running SL 2.5 SDJ 1.6.3 & ME 2.5.1 ... It doesn't get any hotter than the WD's did and battery drain is only slightly higher than with the WD's I'll be using it this weekend at my residencies but I'll also be taking my backup MBP with me just in case anything goes wrong I've been running this with 2 1210mk2's and 62 as well as a ddjsx

Sweet! You are the first to actually do it! Let us know how it works out.
DJ Baby Boy 4:10 AM - 30 May, 2014
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So for everyone wondering about the m9t's I have put 4tb inside my MBP it's a 2012 2.3i7 16gb ram and I put the two m9t's in a raid 0 configuration ... I've been putting it through it's paces all day without any issues whatsoever It runs just as smoothly as the 2 scorpio blues that I had in raid 0 and that's with running SL 2.5 SDJ 1.6.3 & ME 2.5.1 ... It doesn't get any hotter than the WD's did and battery drain is only slightly higher than with the WD's I'll be using it this weekend at my residencies but I'll also be taking my backup MBP with me just in case anything goes wrong I've been running this with 2 1210mk2's and 62 as well as a ddjsx

Sweet! You are the first to actually do it! Let us know how it works out.


Will do ... If anyone has any heavy sequencer fx that they can send/share so I can put a stronger load on the system to test I'd appreciate that as the sequences that I have are pretty minimalistic
Culprit 5:48 AM - 30 May, 2014
Dope man! I'm still a bit scared to do mine's. How long did you run those scorpions in raid 0 for?
DJ Baby Boy 7:47 AM - 30 May, 2014
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Dope man! I'm still a bit scared to do mine's. How long did you run those scorpions in raid 0 for?


I was running the WD's for about 3 years in raid 0 config with no issues and that was between 2 different laptops
danielrockwell 1:56 PM - 30 May, 2014
Quote:
So for everyone wondering about the m9t's I have put 4tb inside my MBP it's a 2012 2.3i7 16gb ram and I put the two m9t's in a raid 0 configuration ... I've been putting it through it's paces all day without any issues whatsoever It runs just as smoothly as the 2 scorpio blues that I had in raid 0 and that's with running SL 2.5 SDJ 1.6.3 & ME 2.5.1 ... It doesn't get any hotter than the WD's did and battery drain is only slightly higher than with the WD's I'll be using it this weekend at my residencies but I'll also be taking my backup MBP with me just in case anything goes wrong I've been running this with 2 1210mk2's and 62 as well as a ddjsx


Any lag or other issues with running video with this setup? Look forward to hearing your results from the weekend. Thanks!
DJ Baby Boy 9:14 PM - 1 June, 2014
Alright so after this weekend spinning two venues plus my radio mixshow I didn't have any issues with the system itself I did have one glitch with SDJ but a quick restart of the program fixed that issue ... The issue that I had with it is that it kept switching to internal mode every time I moved my needle back on the record ... I thought it was due to the records so I tried three different sets and they all did the same thing but after I restarted SDJ the problem went away ... As far as performance of the machine goes it performed very well once again I am running a 2012 Macbook Pro 2.3i7 16gb ram and 4tb internal in raid 0 I ran SDJ 1.6.3 at 8mb rane latency and SDJ at 2ms latency along with ME 2.5.1 and Sonic Logic for midi with sonic logic central ... I ran this with a rane 62 and 2 1210 mk2's I ran this at my residencies over the weekend utilizing a decent use of effects and sequencer fx as well as custom transitions and not once saw the wave forms slow or video glitch at all ... scrolling was also very smooth when navigating through my library I was also able to record my set last night with ME and no issues came up for those of you still running a 57 no worries there either for my 2 hour mixshow I ran SL with a rane 57 at lowest latency and no issues there either everything was just as it's always been with my 2tb raid setup ... If anyone has any questions feel free to ask if I didn't cover it quite right in this post
DJ Baby Boy 9:20 PM - 1 June, 2014
Also note that a lot of my videos are now HD with my video sources being Smash Vision - VJ-Pro, Club Killers, DTVideo, Crooklyn Clan, very few from VJ Street, even fewer from video tools and also my own personal edits
danielrockwell 2:56 PM - 2 June, 2014
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Also note that a lot of my videos are now HD with my video sources being Smash Vision - VJ-Pro, Club Killers, DTVideo, Crooklyn Clan, very few from VJ Street, even fewer from video tools and also my own personal edits


Your MacBook Pro has 512mb VRAM correct?
djkurve 9:33 PM - 2 June, 2014
Quote:
Alright so after this weekend spinning two venues plus my radio mixshow I didn't have any issues with the system itself I did have one glitch with SDJ but a quick restart of the program fixed that issue ... The issue that I had with it is that it kept switching to internal mode every time I moved my needle back on the record ... I thought it was due to the records so I tried three different sets and they all did the same thing but after I restarted SDJ the problem went away ... As far as performance of the machine goes it performed very well once again I am running a 2012 Macbook Pro 2.3i7 16gb ram and 4tb internal in raid 0 I ran SDJ 1.6.3 at 8mb rane latency and SDJ at 2ms latency along with ME 2.5.1 and Sonic Logic for midi with sonic logic central ... I ran this with a rane 62 and 2 1210 mk2's I ran this at my residencies over the weekend utilizing a decent use of effects and sequencer fx as well as custom transitions and not once saw the wave forms slow or video glitch at all ... scrolling was also very smooth when navigating through my library I was also able to record my set last night with ME and no issues came up for those of you still running a 57 no worries there either for my 2 hour mixshow I ran SL with a rane 57 at lowest latency and no issues there either everything was just as it's always been with my 2tb raid setup ... If anyone has any questions feel free to ask if I didn't cover it quite right in this post


Just curious how you managed to get those two drives in a raid 0 config? I imagine you had to format both of them in recovery mode, but what's the next step?
djkurve 9:37 PM - 2 June, 2014
Also, if one of the drives fails, wouldn't that mean you lose the ability to boot up the OSX?
djkurve 9:50 PM - 2 June, 2014
So I just asked my buddy about putting both my internal drives in a raid 0 config and he said this.

"RAID 0 means to stripe the data, one bit going to one drive, another bit going to another drive and so forth. Because the data path is striped, that means if one drive fails all the data is lost. So it's highly vulnerable to failure. I would advise you not to do it"

IMO I think I'm gonna stick to my current raid config. As much as I'd love to have the raid 0 config, I can't imagine my system failing just because of a raid config.
Culprit 12:04 AM - 3 June, 2014
Quote:
So I just asked my buddy about putting both my internal drives in a raid 0 config and he said this.

"RAID 0 means to stripe the data, one bit going to one drive, another bit going to another drive and so forth. Because the data path is striped, that means if one drive fails all the data is lost. So it's highly vulnerable to failure. I would advise you not to do it"

IMO I think I'm gonna stick to my current raid config. As much as I'd love to have the raid 0 config, I can't imagine my system failing just because of a raid config.


I had a raid 10 fail on me and destroy 1/3 of my data so nothing is full proof. Raid 1 is pretty solid but if the main drive fails your whole system could stall out or crash as well. I have experienced it all.

I currently use raid 0 w/ a 3 tb single drive backup in my main computer and my macbook pro is basically my backup / live machine.

I think some g-drives are in raid 0 configuration, but correct me if I am wrong please.
Dj Nyce 4:21 AM - 3 June, 2014
Raid is 0 is a no no for the os, but is fine for storage. it's a no no for the os because of what kurve stated (1 drive goes...cancel christmas).

the benefit is that you get ridiculous speed. so that's the trade off.

and keep in mind raid isn't a backup, it's for redundancy (and sometimes performance). a good backup strategy is a must whether you use raid or not.
DJ Baby Boy 9:18 AM - 3 June, 2014
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Also note that a lot of my videos are now HD with my video sources being Smash Vision - VJ-Pro, Club Killers, DTVideo, Crooklyn Clan, very few from VJ Street, even fewer from video tools and also my own personal edits


Your MacBook Pro has 512mb VRAM correct?


Yes my MBP has 512mb VRAM but I run everything without any hiccups at all and even ran resolume before the HDD uprade
DJ Baby Boy 9:33 AM - 3 June, 2014
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So I just asked my buddy about putting both my internal drives in a raid 0 config and he said this.

"RAID 0 means to stripe the data, one bit going to one drive, another bit going to another drive and so forth. Because the data path is striped, that means if one drive fails all the data is lost. So it's highly vulnerable to failure. I would advise you not to do it"

IMO I think I'm gonna stick to my current raid config. As much as I'd love to have the raid 0 config, I can't imagine my system failing just because of a raid config.


I had a raid 10 fail on me and destroy 1/3 of my data so nothing is full proof. Raid 1 is pretty solid but if the main drive fails your whole system could stall out or crash as well. I have experienced it all.

I currently use raid 0 w/ a 3 tb single drive backup in my main computer and my macbook pro is basically my backup / live machine.

I think some g-drives are in raid 0 configuration, but correct me if I am wrong please.



Kurve your buddy is right that is how raid 0 works but I have been running all of my MBP in raid 0 for several years now with no issues and I make weekly backups to 3 different drives to make sure I'm always covered also over the last 6-7 months I have been carrying a 128gb bootable sdxc card loaded with SL SDJ and a decent amount of music that I update every couple weeks just in case Knock on wood anything does happen ... Also the likelyhood of a drive failing in raid 0 is no greater than running a single drive and having that fail since they're all mechanical drives SSD is a whole different story ... As long as you backup your data frequently even just once a month if anything were to happen you can be back up and running fairly quick but like I said I have never had a raid config fail me and I use them in all my MBP since my 2009 ... As far as putting them in the raid config yes you need to use a bootable disk to run disk utility to format them and you raid them the same way ...

Culprit you are right too the G-Drive's but more specifically the G-Raid's do run in a raid 0 config and I have a few of those as well and they have been very good to me

Nyce I have noticed a good amount of performance by using raid with in my laptops that is a plus but like I stated before I make sure to backup all the time so I don't lose everything and I also have a second MBP that I take with me when I do major cooperate events and weddings

The biggest thing that I will tell anyone and everyone and I'm sure you will all agree is BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP you never know when any of the drives will fail you no matter the configuration even SSD's
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:02 AM - 3 June, 2014
Not only backup but backup the backup and store at least one backup in another building! Just incase you get robbed or have a fire!
Keep a backup at say your parents house.
DJ Baby Boy 10:06 AM - 3 June, 2014
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Not only backup but backup the backup and store at least one backup in another building! Just incase you get robbed or have a fire!
Keep a backup at say your parents house.


Exactly ^^^ I do this I have 3 on site and 2 in other locations and that's just for my DJ library
nik39 12:18 PM - 3 June, 2014
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Also the likelyhood of a drive failing in raid 0 is no greater than running a single drive and having that fail since they're all mechanical drives SSD is a whole different story

Yes, but the overall likelihood of an severe event happening almost doubles when you go from a single drive to a dual drive RAID 0 setup.
WarpNote 9:28 PM - 3 June, 2014
I would assume the same as nik, 2 drives = double chance of failure. Then again, you seem to have thought it over, with your redundant backup systems and all. Seems like quite some work though?
djkurve 2:41 AM - 4 June, 2014
Backup for the backup!

i49.photobucket.com
Millz 12:32 PM - 18 September, 2014
Hello guys, I have a question regarding a drive I've found online. Currently in my 2011 mbp, I have a 1tb wd green drive on the 2nd channel. Looking to upgrade...seen the posts about the 1.5tb drive, but I just found this one...
www.google.com

After some calculations, I am thinking it wont fit right...can anyone confirm?

Thanks!
nik39 12:38 PM - 18 September, 2014
" The latest SATA HDD series, MQ01ABB200, provides a huge capacity of 2TB in a 15.0-millimeter-high design with 4 platters."

storage.toshiba.eu

Don't do that!
Millz 12:59 PM - 18 September, 2014
So as it stands today, the biggest sata2 drive we can put in the 2nd bay is the 1.5 wd green?
nik39 1:00 PM - 18 September, 2014
Yup. :(
Millz 1:12 PM - 18 September, 2014
What if I duct taped the bottom panel of my mbp, would the 2tb fit then? :P hahaha
nik39 1:17 PM - 18 September, 2014
Sure. You can also use a SATA to ATA-40 cable adapter. Then make sure that cable comes out through the CD drive slot. Then you can hook up a 8TB drive.

Just a question of what you want, not what is possible :-P
Millz 2:33 PM - 18 September, 2014
+1 ^^LOL
Dj Nyce 4:30 PM - 18 September, 2014
the Samsung Spinpoint M9T 2tb is only 9.5mm.

i have heard mixed results of it working in early, mid and late 2011s. my 2011 is late and it did not work in 2nd bay.

this guy was successful so i may try it again
sites.google.com
Millz 5:26 PM - 18 September, 2014
Im using that m9t as my primary now. gonna stick with the 1.5tb wd green drive as 2nd as its ata 300 and doesnt conflict with my late 2011 mbp.
nik39 9:25 PM - 18 September, 2014
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the Samsung Spinpoint M9T 2tb is only 9.5mm.

i have heard mixed results of it working in early, mid and late 2011s. my 2011 is late and it did not work in 2nd bay.

this guy was successful so i may try it again
sites.google.com

Wouldn't it be sufficient to put foil around the SATA cable itself?
Culprit 11:10 PM - 18 September, 2014
The god's must be in my favor because the M9T works flawless using the owc data doubler in my 2010 and 2012 mbp's. It also work's flawless on my 2012 using the USB 3 Connector, so I don't have the need to keep it internal anymore.

www.amazon.com
Dj Nyce 12:33 AM - 19 September, 2014
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The god's must be in my favor because the M9T works flawless using the owc data doubler in my 2010 and 2012 mbp's. It also work's flawless on my 2012 using the USB 3 Connector, so I don't have the need to keep it internal anymore.

www.amazon.com


I wish it would work in my mbp :(
Culprit 1:11 AM - 19 September, 2014
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Quote:
The god's must be in my favor because the M9T works flawless using the owc data doubler in my 2010 and 2012 mbp's. It also work's flawless on my 2012 using the USB 3 Connector, so I don't have the need to keep it internal anymore.

www.amazon.com


I wish it would work in my mbp :(


If you don't mind me asking a few questions since I ran into some issues (non M9T related) early on in my pursuit to perfect my machine.

Did you yourself upgrade the internal main bay hard drive? How much ram are you running in the machine? Are you using 3rd party ram or apple certified ram?
Dj Nyce 1:56 AM - 19 September, 2014
Main bay is factory Apple ssd 512gb. Will upgrade to Samsung 840 Evo 1tb ssd.

2nd bay is Samsung spinpoint m8 1tb via owc data doubler.

Ram is 16gb corsair vengeance ddr3 1600. Definitely certified.
nik39 2:32 AM - 19 September, 2014
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The god's must be in my favor because the M9T works flawless using the owc data doubler in my 2010 and 2012 mbp's. It also work's flawless on my 2012 using the USB 3 Connector, so I don't have the need to keep it internal anymore.

www.amazon.com

AFAIK the 2011 models are affected, not 2012 and 2010.
Culprit 5:12 AM - 19 September, 2014
Quote:
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The god's must be in my favor because the M9T works flawless using the owc data doubler in my 2010 and 2012 mbp's. It also work's flawless on my 2012 using the USB 3 Connector, so I don't have the need to keep it internal anymore.

www.amazon.com

AFAIK the 2011 models are affected, not 2012 and 2010.


Understood.


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Main bay is factory Apple ssd 512gb. Will upgrade to Samsung 840 Evo 1tb ssd.

2nd bay is Samsung spinpoint m8 1tb via owc data doubler.

Ram is 16gb corsair vengeance ddr3 1600. Definitely certified.


Nyce, it shouldnt make a difference, but have you tried running it with the stock 4gb or 8gb ram the computer came with?
Res-Q 3:08 PM - 21 September, 2014
HD gurus, whats the deal with retinas? I'm afraid there is still no way to upgarde the internal SSD right? I got 26Go left on my 750 :(
I'm using this MBP Retina, mid-2012, 2,7 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 Go 1600 MHz DDR3, Intel HD Graphics 4000 512 Mo, OS X 10.8.5
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:16 PM - 21 September, 2014
You can upgrade to 1tb but it be pricey
Millz 2:05 PM - 1 October, 2014
I have installed the 1.5 wd green drive and its thicker than the 1tb....Im finding myself having to force close the bottom panel casing on my lappy...is this normal?
Millz 2:25 PM - 1 October, 2014
...This is on my optidrive bay.
nik39 2:31 PM - 1 October, 2014
Not normal, at least not in my optibay
Millz 2:59 PM - 1 October, 2014
Well something aint right...this drive is nearly 2x as thick as the 1tb. its installed and running fine, Im doing some stress tests now, and I dont see any issues thus far...but it has me a bit nervous ;)
DJMark 8:28 PM - 1 October, 2014
You can only put 9.5mm thick drives into an optical-bay adapter.

If the bottom pan of the computer is pressing into the drive, you're pretty much guaranteeing early failure...also possibly applying some mechanical stresses to other stuff inside the computer.
Millz 9:41 PM - 1 October, 2014
I have to figure out a better solution as I need space. Have you guys used a different brand of replacement bays?
popnwave 1:02 AM - 2 October, 2014
Yah I think all of the 1.5GB WDs I've seen are 15mm, not the 9.5mm you need to fit nicely inside the case.
DJ Baby Boy 3:14 AM - 2 October, 2014
I had mentioned this before earlier in this thread but I am using 2 2tb m9t's one in the normal spot and one in the optibay and they are working great still ... Jack the one thing that you can try is to move the 1.5 into the factory spot and the other drive into the optibay
Millz 3:39 AM - 2 October, 2014
There is a specific 1.5 that will fit, I just bought the wrong one. Its the HGST Travelstar 1.5 9.5mm...gonna swap these out in the next few days
djkurve 2:05 AM - 7 October, 2014
Culprit 3:45 AM - 7 October, 2014
popnwave 4:34 AM - 7 October, 2014
Good to see the internal is getting down to the price of the external.. not having to remove the case is nice, but the external still pops for $100 shipped on occasional sales.
Culprit 1:31 PM - 7 October, 2014
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Good to see the internal is getting down to the price of the external.. not having to remove the case is nice, but the external still pops for $100 shipped on occasional sales.


Yeah, its better to buy it with the case and get the free enclosure.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:25 PM - 7 October, 2014




Ok so either of these will work in a 2011 MacBook 15"??

Thanks for the time and info! 👍
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:02 PM - 7 October, 2014
Dought it sata 3 and 6gbps
Millz 7:07 PM - 7 October, 2014
These 2tb drives will work in the PRIMARY slot...but not in the 2ndary slot....at least not on my 2011 late 17 inch. Some folks have found a way to flash the drive into sata 2 from 3 and make it work, from my understanding. The one I got now is a 1.5tb that I posted above, in my 2nd spot and it works flawless.
Culprit 7:21 PM - 7 October, 2014
For the Samsung 2tb M9t, I can confirm it is safe to use in an early 2010 and mid 2012 macbook pro in either primary or secondary bay. It will overheat if you do not use the OWC Data Doubler.
djkurve 8:10 PM - 7 October, 2014
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For the Samsung 2tb M9t, I can confirm it is safe to use in an early 2010 and mid 2012 macbook pro in either primary or secondary bay. It will overheat if you do not use the OWC Data Doubler.



+1 I have one in my mid-2012 MBP using the OWC Data Doubler
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:14 PM - 7 October, 2014
What performance do you get with it in your data doubler using this free software?
itunes.apple.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:11 AM - 17 October, 2014
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What performance do you get with it in your data doubler using this free software?
itunes.apple.com


Nobody with the 2tb in the optibay fancy just running this quick test?
Culprit 12:26 PM - 17 October, 2014
I can post results later today, last time o remember I was getting at least 50mbs up and down. My performance with the optibay and 2tb is great, no lag at all. I do defrag every 3 months or so since I have so many files going in and out. Also, I has issues with 16gb patriot sticks. I swapped it w/ the 8gb sticks that came with the laptop and I have had no issues.

Main bay has the 256gb Samsung evo 840 installed
Culprit 12:27 PM - 17 October, 2014
Had*
nik39 5:29 PM - 17 October, 2014
Data doubler? Are you trying to use this on your already heavily compressed multimedia files?
LJ_WOOLSEY 6:10 PM - 17 October, 2014
Data doubler i thought was the name of the frame you put your harddrive into where the cd drive is. I might of got the name wrong sorry.

But i just wondered how the speed was with the 2tb in the owc thingy.

As my 500gb is slow as hell in my 2012.
popnwave 6:31 PM - 17 October, 2014
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Data doubler? Are you trying to use this on your already heavily compressed multimedia files?


Datadouble is the name of the backet used.
nik39 7:31 PM - 17 October, 2014
Haha, lol... Nothing to see. Move on!

;)
Culprit 11:33 PM - 20 October, 2014
just an fyi for anyone who has this drive like me. The mac update will be released end of october

www.pcgamer.com
Funkytownstopsix 6:50 PM - 10 December, 2014
Well I have used externals my whole video dj life,,,, I think it's time I try the data doubler on my macbook pro. On my PC it has a second hard drive bay I love the fact that I can plug and play it would be nice to do so on mac...

So sitll no issues with the data doubler.....?
DJ.S 6:35 AM - 11 December, 2014
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Well I have used externals my whole video dj life,,,, I think it's time I try the data doubler on my macbook pro. On my PC it has a second hard drive bay I love the fact that I can plug and play it would be nice to do so on mac...

So sitll no issues with the data doubler.....?



Installed data doubler with samsung 2tb in the optibay (macbook pro 15 mid 2012) over two months ago... everything is perfect :) (so far touch wood)
djkurve 6:45 AM - 11 December, 2014
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Quote:
Well I have used externals my whole video dj life,,,, I think it's time I try the data doubler on my macbook pro. On my PC it has a second hard drive bay I love the fact that I can plug and play it would be nice to do so on mac...

So sitll no issues with the data doubler.....?



Installed data doubler with samsung 2tb in the optibay (macbook pro 15 mid 2012) over two months ago... everything is perfect :) (so far touch wood)


How did I miss this drive?! You have a link for this? I'd love to upgrade from my 1TB hd I have in my OWC Data Doubler.
DJ.S 9:06 AM - 11 December, 2014
I took Culprit's word for it and brought this... If it wasnt going to work I was going to put into my sons PS4... like I said earlier I have had no problems thus far (touch wood)... Shout out to Culprit :)

www.amazon.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:13 AM - 11 December, 2014
Iv got the 2tb samsung in my data owc in the optibay on a mid 2012 macbookpro 15
So far working totally fine.
Funkytownstopsix 2:21 PM - 11 December, 2014
Thanks for the info it's order and on the way. I purchased the package for 149 that had the 2Tb drive with Data Doubler and tool kit. If have to swap drives to the samsung no big deal I can use the one they sent as a back up extrenal. Should I use the Samsung if so why?
Funkytownstopsix 2:21 PM - 11 December, 2014
Thanks for the info it's order and on the way. I purchased the package for 149 that had the 2Tb drive with Data Doubler and tool kit. If have to swap drives to the samsung no big deal I can use the one they sent as a back up extrenal. Should I use the Samsung if so why?
Funkytownstopsix 2:22 PM - 11 December, 2014
damn don't know how all those post got there... I drink too much.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 2:33 PM - 11 December, 2014
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Thanks for the info it's order and on the way. I purchased the package for 149 that had the 2Tb drive with Data Doubler and tool kit. If have to swap drives to the samsung no big deal I can use the one they sent as a back up extrenal. Should I use the Samsung if so why?


You wouldn't happen to have a link to this package would you??

If so Thanks for the time and info 👍
Culprit 2:53 PM - 11 December, 2014
The black Friday deal just past the drives were going for $89.99 each, was so tempted to stock up but I didn't need them
Funkytownstopsix 2:54 PM - 11 December, 2014
Sup Sound... here you go.. eshop.macsales.com

its a samsung but on my order it says its a spinpoint...
Funkytownstopsix 3:00 PM - 11 December, 2014
my bad spin is samsung..
Culprit 3:08 PM - 11 December, 2014
That's a good deal, the data doubler is the way to go. This is my current setup.

Just to restate, I tried that amazon cheap replacement, and the drive would overheat. So, do not waist your time with it. I actually moved my ssd into the secondary bay as recommended in this post and put my 2tb Samsung m9t in the main bay and it saved about 8-10 degrees
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:23 PM - 11 December, 2014
What year macs you guys going to put this in?? As that seems tobe important. From user report 2012 model is only one issue free with the 2tb drive.
But saying that there are users here saying theres is working fine in older macs....
Funkytownstopsix 3:31 PM - 11 December, 2014
Mine is a mid 2012 mod...
the SOUNDINSURGENT 3:49 PM - 11 December, 2014
Ok I have a 2011, if I put the Samsung in the main bay and put my other drive that's in the main bay now into the optical drive space everything should work, right??
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:43 PM - 11 December, 2014
Depends on the harddrive spec
Dj Nyce 4:49 PM - 11 December, 2014
i have a late 2011 17" and the 2tb drives do not work in optical drive bay :(
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:51 PM - 11 December, 2014
The one that's in there now is a 1tb that came with the Mac but I'll check tonight and then read through this thread again.

Would it make a difference Nyce if I put it in the main bay (the Samsung in the main bay)??

Thanks for the time and info 👍
Dj Nyce 5:52 PM - 11 December, 2014
the 2tb works just fine in the main bay.

i would run that config myself, but i have the 1tb samsung ssd in there already.

on a side note, does anybody know the last mac (year/family) that can be upgraded with ram and hdd. i want to buy a backup for when my 17" dies. none of that retina soldered on memory bullshit.
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:25 PM - 11 December, 2014
Mid 2012 was last unibody macbook. I got the maxed out spec one 2.7ghz i7
Funkytownstopsix 7:39 PM - 11 December, 2014
So are you guys saying I won't be able to get my 2gig in optics bay without issues. I'm lazy don't want to move the other drive. : ) I don't get to excited about much these days but I really am looking forward to seeing this show up on Saturday.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 8:15 PM - 11 December, 2014
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the 2tb works just fine in the main bay.


Thank you!!
Culprit 11:00 PM - 11 December, 2014
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So are you guys saying I won't be able to get my 2gig in optics bay without issues. I'm lazy don't want to move the other drive. : ) I don't get to excited about much these days but I really am looking forward to seeing this show up on Saturday.


No issues with the Mid 2012, I ran it like that for the last 2 months. I switched it to my main bay and put my 256gb ssd in my optibay just as a recommendation from a thread to run the laptop cooler and it worked. 10 degrees difference.

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the 2tb works just fine in the main bay.

i would run that config myself, but i have the 1tb samsung ssd in there already.

on a side note, does anybody know the last mac (year/family) that can be upgraded with ram and hdd. i want to buy a backup for when my 17" dies. none of that retina soldered on memory bullshit.


Mid 2012 Macbook Pro. I scored one off of e-bay for 1k, macbook 9,1.
Dj TopDonn 4:15 PM - 12 December, 2014
There was talk that you could change the SATA config on the 2011 models similar to the one that Nyce has and that would allow the 2TB drives to work in the optical bay. Did anyone ever accomplish this?
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:24 PM - 12 December, 2014
I think that was on a 1.5tb drive from owc that had special firmware so it would work in a 2011 optibay.
Dj TopDonn 5:02 PM - 12 December, 2014
Thanks LJ. I currently have a 1TB in the optibay so guess I'm stuck with that. I have the Mid 2011 15" model.
Funkytownstopsix 12:34 AM - 14 December, 2014
oh well I added the data doubler formatted the drive few minutes later it disappeared I restarted the MacBook and now I just get a progress bar... Fudge... anybody got any ideas I need to try.
Funkytownstopsix 12:01 AM - 15 December, 2014
I got it... I did the AHT found no issue with hardware... since it's a mac thinking logic board glad it was not. I wanted a fresh start so just reinstalled Maverick and all is good. My only issue is moving files to the drive keeps stopping because a file wont allow it to write. WTF. I think I will just image the drive as I know it will take all day to do so but I won't have to deal with write permissions by doing so.
Funkytownstopsix 2:53 PM - 15 December, 2014
I am trying to copy my external drive to the new drive and I am having a few issues with permissions.

1. When I look at the external drive in the hard disk util the permissions are greyed out.

2. No matter how I have tried it, I can't get the files to move to new hard drive wtf always stops in the at some point of the move.

external is a western digital formatted for mac each time I try fails due to permissions.

Anybody got any ideas on how I can those permissions ungrayed : ) I think then I could move all files. I went into the drive info read and write on the drive even shared it with no luck. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:54 PM - 15 December, 2014
What model mac you got?
Culprit 4:15 PM - 15 December, 2014
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What model mac you got?


Also what software are you using? How is your external formatted?
Funkytownstopsix 4:32 PM - 15 December, 2014
Not using software just dragging content of the drive to the new drive just installed. The drive is formatted for mac it not for windows as I can't read it with windows. I use Mac Drive to put the data on it from PC when I need to move files as all my files are on PC. I am using a mid 2012 macbook pro with latest Maverick. This sucks because unlike in windows once it finds a file that it has permission problems with it stops it does not give you the option to skip or continue. I have tried this also when you boot up into util mode by copying it to the dirve this did not work either. Permissions are greyed out on the external... FYI I can view files and it operates normal just can't copy...
DJ DisGrace 8:08 PM - 15 December, 2014
you need: Super Duper
DJMark 11:17 PM - 15 December, 2014
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Not using software just dragging content of the drive to the new drive just installed.


Yes you need either Super Duper or Carbon Copy Cloner for that type of task. The Mac Finder drag/copy is okay for small groups of files but not a whole drive...and definitely not any drive with an OS on it that you'll want to boot from.
Culprit 11:35 PM - 15 December, 2014
I personally use carbon copy cloner. Works great.
Funkytownstopsix 3:54 AM - 16 December, 2014
Lol my luck has been bad the last few days. When I left for work I tried it again when I got home the Drive was dead... : ) actually it wasn't the WD drive as I have never had one of them crash it was the OWC drive case. Took the drive out and copied it to another external NTFS then to my macbook pro drag and drop almost 2 gig. It took 4 hours but I am back in the mix. Thanks guys. Will test out the new drive on tomorrow.
Culprit 9:19 PM - 16 December, 2014
the owc data doubler died?
Funkytownstopsix 1:29 PM - 17 December, 2014
Naw just got that it was the OWC external hard drive case that went bad on me. Hell I was trying for 3 days straight trying to move data on it never turned it off. Data Doubler is in and works so I am cool with it. I learned one thing I need to back up my files better than I have been. Now on to next mission of orgainizing my files deleting all this doubles and quads I have all over the place. This may take 2 weeks.. :(
Funkytownstopsix 1:41 PM - 17 December, 2014
FYI that hard drive case I had for at least four years so I am not to sad about it... because it really did get used and abused. I am going to buy the 6tb OWC to back up my 6tb MY Book. All of which is backup on My CPU already... can never have enough backups.... to loose my collection at this point would be devastating to say the least.
Culprit 6:43 PM - 17 December, 2014
Hey Funky,

My workflow consist of my master crates on a raid 1 on my pc. I keep everything there, then sync my crates to my macbook pro. So just in case my laptop gets stolen or a hard drive crashes and burns, my master is always available.

I transfer my files between the two computer's using a network cable, so I don't have to worry about what format the drive's are, they will always talk with each other, and at optimum speed using the gigabit ethernet.

I also use beyond compare as it is the safest method for me to sync files, delete, and such, and scratchtools to update my files.

Since all my computers are wireless, I never use the internal network card and have set it up as a dhcp direct line, and just turn off the wireless on my macbook pro.
Funkytownstopsix 7:11 PM - 17 December, 2014
Damn,,, I can tell who works in the IT field...
Culprit 8:49 PM - 17 December, 2014
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Damn,,, I can tell who works in the IT field...


Just a lot of experimenting, failing, learning :)
popnwave 2:47 PM - 23 December, 2014
Finally upgraded to the 2TB samsung. ROOM AGAIN YAAAAY. No more external drive for a while.
Code:E 1:26 AM - 24 December, 2014
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Finally upgraded to the 2TB samsung. ROOM AGAIN YAAAAY. No more external drive for a while.

6 weeks from now your back to externals .....
popnwave 4:15 AM - 24 December, 2014
I've slowed a lot on library additions lately. It will take me a bit to ramp up, plus I'm being a lot more choosy about things now too :/
DJ.S 7:56 AM - 26 December, 2014
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Quote:
Damn,,, I can tell who works in the IT field...


Just a lot of experimenting, failing, learning :)



mate really appreciate the work you've put in :)
djdonnydee 8:15 PM - 1 February, 2015
Has anyone tried this optical bay kit for 2011 models?

store.mcetech.com

i have the old MCE optical and tried it with the 2tb it works but get "cant read/write errors" when transferring some files and it will eject my drive. Might have to return OWC data doubler after reading this post again and realized it didnt work 2011 models.
Culprit 11:06 PM - 1 February, 2015
That kit did not work for my 2012
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:56 AM - 2 February, 2015
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Has anyone tried this optical bay kit for 2011 models?

store.mcetech.com

i have the old MCE optical and tried it with the 2tb it works but get "cant read/write errors" when transferring some files and it will eject my drive. Might have to return OWC data doubler after reading this post again and realized it didnt work 2011 models.


It's the 2011 mac thats the issue.
And no those ones you have linked are very cheap and horrible. You can get a 1.5tb with special firmware to work in the 2011
djdonnydee 4:42 PM - 2 February, 2015
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Quote:
Has anyone tried this optical bay kit for 2011 models?

store.mcetech.com

i have the old MCE optical and tried it with the 2tb it works but get "cant read/write errors" when transferring some files and it will eject my drive. Might have to return OWC data doubler after reading this post again and realized it didnt work 2011 models.


It's the 2011 mac thats the issue.
And no those ones you have linked are very cheap and horrible. You can get a 1.5tb with special firmware to work in the 2011


ive been using MCE optical bay for over 3 years now and never had a problem until i put the 2TB in it. This is the only optical bay kit that say it works with Sata III drives but the kit going for $99. Dam just when i was loving the SSD speed, now i might have to stick it in my backup laptop.
DJMark 6:04 PM - 2 February, 2015
I don't think any of the optical-bay adapters have any active electronics...just a pass-through for the SATA connection.

So unless there was some issue with the connectors not seating correctly (either drive to bracket, or short ribbon cable to mainboard), I wouldn't expect to see performance differences between different brackets in the same machine.

There are definitely various issues with certain models of MacBook Pros and certain SATA types. SATA-3 in a 2011 MacBook Pro is almost certainly a no-go, for example.
DJMark 6:06 PM - 2 February, 2015
Quote:
Has anyone tried this optical bay kit for 2011 models?

store.mcetech.com

i have the old MCE optical and tried it with the 2tb it works but get "cant read/write errors" when transferring some files and it will eject my drive. Might have to return OWC data doubler after reading this post again and realized it didnt work 2011 models.


Your new drive is probably SATA-3, and will not work in a 2011 MBP.

The bracket almost certainly has nothing to do with it.
djdonnydee 12:04 AM - 13 February, 2015
Purchase the MCE optical Extreme kit for 2011 models. Working great the last 2 days everything seems fine with SATA 3 6 gigabit HD. I put the Samsung SSD OS in the optical bay and samsung 2TB in main bay transfer over some things ,ran ME and SDJ , temp is about right. the kit cost $99 i think it was well worth it...hope everything goes well at my next gig(knock on wood).
nik39 2:46 PM - 18 February, 2015
3TB 2.5" SSD!

www.fixstars.com

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Fixstars Launches the World’s Highest Density SSD, “SSD-3000M” For Media and Entertainment Professionals

Tuesday, February 17, 2015

The Highest Density and Performance Reliability for professionals.

Sunnyvale, CA – Feb 17, 2015 – Fixstars Solutions Inc., an innovator in flash storage solutions, today announced the start of sales for 3TB SSD, SSD-3000M, and 1TB SSD, SSD-1000M, in North America. The products feature enterprise level reliability and unprecedented sequential read/write performance aimed at professional content creation, Advanced driver assistance systems(ADAS), HPC, and Datacenters.

The 3TB SSD-3000M has the world’s highest capacity*1 for 2.5” SATA SSD. High capacity SSDs help reduce the number of drives required in professional setups reducing operational costs such as maintenance, energy, and chassis/rack infrastructure. More importantly a more reliable workflow with minimum handling failures is of significantly valuable. These disks integrate Fixstars’ proprietary NAND controller preventing latency spikes and performance deterioration ensuring consistent high performance. Applications for which fast and stable disk writes are crucial such as 4K video recording/editing and encrypted storage for film will benefit the most from Fixstars solid state disks.


“The SSD-3000M/1000M were released in Japan last November, and have been getting great feedbacks from our customers”, said Satoshi Miki, CEO & Co-Founder of Fixstars Corporation (Tokyo), “As an innovator of storage solutions, we are focused on providing high performance and reliability SSD solutions, to accelerate our customer’s business”.

For more information on the SSD-3000M/1000M, please visit our web site.

*1: As of Nov 18th 2014, according to a survey by Fixstars Corp.
WarpNote 3:00 PM - 18 February, 2015
Whoa, wonder what they gonna sell for....? - 1TB version is 990,- usd....
nik39 5:44 PM - 18 February, 2015
Yeah, ridiculous enterPrices ;)

I dont understand why its so difficult to offer a 2TB SATA SSD. The 1TB Samsung 840 EVO seems to have enough space inside. Enlarge it from 7mm to 9mm. Sounds so simple, eh?
WarpNote 6:06 PM - 18 February, 2015
Uhm yeah, and a decent buspowered thunderbolt enclosure?
Still looking for one for my 1TB Samsung 840 Evo....
Culprit 10:29 PM - 18 February, 2015
Lordamercy
DJMark 12:48 AM - 19 February, 2015
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Uhm yeah, and a decent buspowered thunderbolt enclosure?
Still looking for one for my 1TB Samsung 840 Evo....


Oyen Digital made one (which I got about a year ago), then they dropped it cause (so they told me) there wasn't enough demand for it.

Still see some on OWC's site though: eshop.macsales.com

Apparently no one is selling empty bus powered drive enclosures though...and that's because of Intel (so I was told by a tech person at Oyen Digital last year).
WarpNote 6:25 AM - 19 February, 2015
Thanks Mark, might look into that one.
Culprit 6:30 AM - 19 February, 2015
www.amazon.com

I use this with my USB3 ports, no issues.
WarpNote 7:21 AM - 19 February, 2015
Thanks Culprit, however, I'm using my USB ports for other stuff, Soundcard, Matrox tripple head, MIDI, HID. So I prefer thunderbolt for the 3 x 1080 - 60fps videostreams...
WarpNote 7:29 AM - 19 February, 2015
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www.amazon.com

I use this with my USB3 ports, no issues.
Actually, I do have the 1TB version of that drive, for transfers, temp backups,
unload camera memory cards etc. Been good so far (about a year or two...)
Culprit 7:46 AM - 19 February, 2015
yep, makes sense. It's an available port (Thunderport), must make the most use for it. I only use mine for the video output. I also got a built in 2tb slim drive in my macbook which helps out alot
WarpNote 7:54 AM - 19 February, 2015
Yep, I'm running the retina, so whenever I'm not using the tripple head or vga, I'm normally use the HDMI port for the projector/LED.
djpuma_gemini 8:23 PM - 19 February, 2015
Does owc sell a thunderbolt/USB 3.0 drive (bare bones)

I have two of their fw800 ones
DJMark 11:34 PM - 19 February, 2015
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Does owc sell a thunderbolt/USB 3.0 drive (bare bones)


Like I said before...

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Apparently no one is selling empty bus powered (Thunderbolt) drive enclosures though...and that's because of Intel (so I was told by a tech person at Oyen Digital last year).


Last year I ended up buying an Oyen Digital Thunderbolt enclosure with a 120gb SSD inside (fortunately a friend had a use for that), and I opened it up and put a Samsung 1TB 840EVO in there. It's been working great.

I do have a backup drive (G-Tech) that has both USB 3 and Thunderbolt (1TB mechanical drive inside). That was bought at an Apple Store, and unfortunately I don't see those there anymore.
Dj Nyce 4:32 PM - 21 February, 2015
yeah. thunderbolt has been a disaster. absolutely no empty externals. i had to curse out caldigit on twitter when they released the T3.

the best you can do at this point is buy a buffalo ministation or a seagate thunderbolt adapter. with either your mileage will vary when you start using your own drives.
Code:E 7:21 PM - 21 February, 2015
I really am hoping to see thunderbolt succeed, But it could be a long while yet. I only expect it to see the same sort of adoption firewire did. Which means it will always be #2 behind USB. Especially with that new reversible USB 3.0 coming out.
WarpNote 5:16 PM - 23 February, 2015
Guys, I saw these 2 online, might be worth a shot, what do you think?

grey... www.delock.com
black... www.delock.com

but those seem to need AC power, right?
Code:E 7:12 PM - 23 February, 2015
intresting
DJMark 11:10 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Guys, I saw these 2 online, might be worth a shot, what do you think?

grey... www.delock.com
black... www.delock.com

but those seem to need AC power, right?


In the data sheet: "Self-powered (works only with power supply)"

Strange because Thunderbolt's bus-powering should be more than enough to power almost any 2.5-inch drive (mechanical or SSD). However the enclosure data sheet also says that it holds drives up to 15mm height, so possibly they're aware of some 15mm-height drives that draw more power than the Thunderbolt bus would support (WD 10,000rpm Raptors maybe?).

Thunderbolt 2015 is looking a lot like Firewire 2002.
DJMark 11:47 PM - 23 February, 2015
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Thunderbolt 2015 is looking a lot like Firewire 2002.


Well, except that empty bus-powered Firewire hard drive enclosures were readily-available in 2002.

Back in 2002 there was more of a real need for Firewire (using its own dedicated processor for i/o, versus USB which uses the computer's main CPU for i/o). The then-current USB was 1.1, 12mb/sec, versus first-generation Firewire's 400mb/sec. There was a lot less CPU horsepower to spare in those days of course, and all laptops were running single-core processors. The fastest G4 Powerbook available in 2002 had 3% of the speed of the fastest MacBook Pro currently available (data from the MacTracker app, comparing benchmark scores).

Today the hit on the main CPU from USB is a lot less of an issue (with so much more available resources), and it's 5gb/sec versus 10. Either choice is way more than "enough" speed for DJ-ing HD videos. Some of us seek out the highest possible performance but it may be a mostly academic choice at this point.
WarpNote 7:23 AM - 24 February, 2015
Yeah, I remember running FW400 on Dell machines back in those days.

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Some of us seek out the highest possible performance but it may be a mostly academic choice at this point.
I hear you, just wished the mbp's came with more than 2 usb ports, those ports fill up quick.
I use the TB SSD for running visuals through a matrox tripple head -> www.matrox.com with up to 4 layers and FX in Resolume. I'd just like my options to be as open as possible.
djcrap 12:24 AM - 25 February, 2015
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Thanks Culprit, however, I'm using my USB ports for other stuff, Soundcard, Matrox tripple head, MIDI, HID. So I prefer thunderbolt for the 3 x 1080 - 60fps videostreams...


Maybe some thing like this may work

eshop.macsales.com
djcrap 12:33 AM - 25 February, 2015
^^^ here is another one

eshop.macsales.com
Culprit 2:26 AM - 25 February, 2015
I believe its been reported that the drobo is a little slow. Good for using as a solid backup solution but not recommended for live use.
WarpNote 7:01 AM - 25 February, 2015
Appreciate the suggestions guys!

I have 2 other drobo's on my office desk, connected to an iMac.
First bought a 4 bay second generation usb2.0/FW800, then a 5 bay usb3.0/FW800.
They are solid, but slow, I'm pretty sure it comes down to the drobo "overhead system",
as the drives themselves perform a lot faster in other enclosures/connections.

Even for backup, I'm now going with other options than drobo,
namely a thunderbolt/sata dock -> www.bhphotovideo.com
Its been very reliable, and outdoes anything I have on either USB or FW ports by far.
I have to many drives to start counting... LOL

Anyway, still looking for a BUSPOWERED solution for my mobile work.
I want a tight, small setup, easy cable management, minimize any error sources .... :D
BOOGIEFROMCUR 1:06 AM - 28 February, 2015
Interesting discussion...I was wondering of any of you have experience with the OWC thunderbolt 2 dock..

eshop.macsales.com

I was even dreaming of prewiring some kind of hard/softcase. Run one thunderbolt wire from my Macbook Pro to the dock and all other wires should go to this dock.

Let me know if you guys think it should work running SERATO Dj with pioneer 2000nexus in HID mode from this dock. Video out of HDMI. maybe some shit in the Usb 3 ports...
Code:E 1:37 AM - 28 February, 2015
I would do it. But nobody I knwo has done it yet and confirmed it works.
PopRoXxX 8:10 PM - 28 February, 2015
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Interesting discussion...I was wondering of any of you have experience with the OWC thunderbolt 2 dock..

eshop.macsales.com

I was even dreaming of prewiring some kind of hard/softcase. Run one thunderbolt wire from my Macbook Pro to the dock and all other wires should go to this dock.

Let me know if you guys think it should work running SERATO Dj with pioneer 2000nexus in HID mode from this dock. Video out of HDMI. maybe some shit in the Usb 3 ports...

I've been using the ElGato Thunderbolt dock that you can buy in the Apple store for a year now. It's like this one BUT only 3 USB 3.0 ports and no Firewire port. Everything else is there. I may grab this one too, if it can charge and data transfer iPad/iPhone simultaneously. Might be a good backup
BOOGIEFROMCUR 2:09 AM - 1 March, 2015
Basically I want to know if deejays are using a thunderbolt dock to stick all their usb wires in. Even with my macbook pro with 2 tb (harddrive in optical bay), I sometimes have to plug in a stick to transfer something during live play. Besides that my MBpro does NOT have usb 3 ports. Currently one usb port on the MBpro is used for a powered usb hub (pioneers in HID mode) and the other one is used for the serato usb either from my pioneer srt mixer (serato dj) or from my sl4 box. (I like the scratch live better).
Anytime I plug something extra in its through my usb hub. Using the dock would make the usb ports available usb3 protocol and I would get more possibilities. My MBpro has an antiglare screen...I dont want to give that up for a (one harddrive) Retina edition.
WarpNote 7:19 AM - 1 March, 2015
Yep, looking into a nice TB hub myself, wanna get rid of my old usb 2.0, hub but would like more 3.0 ports on the unit and maybe at least 3 TB ports... Got so much usb stuff: wacom tablet, usb sticks for rekordbox (backup), controllers, soundcards, drives, etc.... Also getting rid of most of my FW stuff, so not really interested in supporting the legacy format, still got tb>fw adaptors anyway... the new ports are so much faster. Really loving SSD's on TB connections :)
WarpNote 7:22 AM - 1 March, 2015
Yep, looking into a TB hub myself, wanna get rid of my old usb 2.0 hub, but would like more 3.0 ports on the unit, and maybe atleast 3 TB ports... Got so much usb stuff: wacom tablet, usb sticks for rekordbox (backup), controllers, soundcards, drives, etc.... Also getting rid of most of my FW stuff, so not really interested in supporting the legacy format, still got tb>fw adaptors anyway... the new ports are so much faster. Really loving SSD's on TB connections :)
WarpNote 7:22 AM - 1 March, 2015
Yep, looking into a TB hub myself, wanna get rid of my old usb 2.0 hub, but would like more 3.0 ports on the unit, and maybe atleast 3 TB ports... Got so much usb stuff: wacom tablet, usb sticks for rekordbox (backup), controllers, soundcards, drives, etc.... Also getting rid of most of my FW stuff, so not really interested in supporting the legacy format, still got tb>fw adaptors anyway... the new ports are so much faster. Really loving SSD's on TB connections :)
WarpNote 7:24 AM - 1 March, 2015
Tripple post OMG, sorry!!!
WarpNote 7:26 AM - 1 March, 2015
Ah, its got 5 usb 3.0 ports, this might be it :)
BOOGIEFROMCUR 2:00 PM - 1 March, 2015
I guess everybody is excited about the ports and USB possibilities but does anybody have experience with a TB dock running their serato and HID usb connections through it?
PopRoXxX 7:05 PM - 3 March, 2015
You can't use a Serato sound card through a hub. You'll need that directly plugged into your MBP. I use my main 2 USB 3.0 ports for External 3.0 drive and my Serato sound card/mixer. I use the Elgato thunderbolt hub for EVERYTHING else.
Culprit 3:04 AM - 4 March, 2015
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You can't use a Serato sound card through a hub. You'll need that directly plugged into your MBP. I use my main 2 USB 3.0 ports for External 3.0 drive and my Serato sound card/mixer. I use the Elgato thunderbolt hub for EVERYTHING else.


It is highly not recommended but ive done it several times in a pinch with others macbookpros in "oh shit" scenarios with no issues but i wouldnt recommend it for regular use.
PopRoXxX 6:20 PM - 5 March, 2015
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You can't use a Serato sound card through a hub. You'll need that directly plugged into your MBP. I use my main 2 USB 3.0 ports for External 3.0 drive and my Serato sound card/mixer. I use the Elgato thunderbolt hub for EVERYTHING else.


It is highly not recommended but ive done it several times in a pinch with others macbookpros in "oh shit" scenarios with no issues but i wouldnt recommend it for regular use.

Yup. Exactly my point. I've done it a few (very few) times before. But I've never looked back towards that dark side in years. lol
GRiNDBoX 2:37 PM - 13 June, 2015
anyone here who already used the samsung evo 1tb ssd? how is it? compared to the 1tb from the OWC? thinkin of upgrading my 4 year old samsung 256 ssd
popnwave 3:22 PM - 13 June, 2015
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anyone here who already used the samsung evo 1tb ssd? how is it? compared to the 1tb from the OWC? thinkin of upgrading my 4 year old samsung 256 ssd


You can't go wrong with either, if you want piece of mind grab the Samsung with the 5 year vs 3 year warranty. I am a huge fan of the OWC as well, but the price point on the Sammies is hard to beat.
GRiNDBoX 4:14 PM - 13 June, 2015
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anyone here who already used the samsung evo 1tb ssd? how is it? compared to the 1tb from the OWC? thinkin of upgrading my 4 year old samsung 256 ssd


You can't go wrong with either, if you want piece of mind grab the Samsung with the 5 year vs 3 year warranty. I am a huge fan of the OWC as well, but the price point on the Sammies is hard to beat.


thanks bro...yup...my 256 is still kickin on my main bay since 2011
assimilate 4:08 AM - 25 June, 2015
Anyone try adding a 256GB TarDisk to their macbook? as an easy instant onboard 256GB boost? 256 becomes 500GB in a blink? Maybe for dropbox or to free up ssd.

tardisk.com I think they are getting ready to offer some products on amazon.

I feel stuck as my late 2013 retina 13 has 256 and is a 2.4 apple says it will not support a larger drive (don't matter as no ssd upgrade is yet available).? Any advice
Thanks
popnwave 7:11 PM - 25 June, 2015
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Anyone try adding a 256GB TarDisk to their macbook? as an easy instant onboard 256GB boost? 256 becomes 500GB in a blink? Maybe for dropbox or to free up ssd.

tardisk.com I think they are getting ready to offer some products on amazon.

I feel stuck as my late 2013 retina 13 has 256 and is a 2.4 apple says it will not support a larger drive (don't matter as no ssd upgrade is yet available).? Any advice
Thanks


Looks like a nice option, it's not like it needs to be insanely fast to host a library.
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:41 PM - 1 July, 2015
Trim Support for SSD drives in Yosemite is now back with 10.10.04 ---> www.macrumors.com
djkurve 10:43 PM - 1 July, 2015
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Trim Support for SSD drives in Yosemite is now back with 10.10.04 ---> www.macrumors.com


+1
nik39 5:09 PM - 6 July, 2015
Take my money!

www.cnet.com

Quote:
Samsung adds 2TB capacity to its SSD 850 family

Samsung announces the availability of the 2TB versions of its SSD 850 Pro and SSD 850 Evo that have the suggested retail price of $1,000 and $800, respectively. These drives are currently the highest-capacity solid-state drives on the market.
nik39 5:10 PM - 6 July, 2015
Take my money!

www.cnet.com

Quote:
Samsung adds 2TB capacity to its SSD 850 family

Samsung announces the availability of the 2TB versions of its SSD 850 Pro and SSD 850 Evo that have the suggested retail price of $1,000 and $800, respectively. These drives are currently the highest-capacity solid-state drives on the market.
popnwave 10:17 PM - 6 July, 2015
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Take my money!

www.cnet.com

Quote:
Samsung adds 2TB capacity to its SSD 850 family

Samsung announces the availability of the 2TB versions of its SSD 850 Pro and SSD 850 Evo that have the suggested retail price of $1,000 and $800, respectively. These drives are currently the highest-capacity solid-state drives on the market.


Well... I'd be tempted to make one my OS drive just to replace the 512GB I have in there now. It will be a while before I deem it worthy of replacing the $100 2TB platter drive I have in the optibay for now :D
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:25 PM - 6 July, 2015
What hight will these be tho??? 9mm of less hopefully
popnwave 10:26 PM - 6 July, 2015
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What hight will these be tho??? 9mm of less hopefully


The stuff I saw on other gadget sites (arstechnica) said they will fit fine.. 7mm high.
nik39 10:43 PM - 6 July, 2015
Does anyone know whether we can limit the drives to sata2?
Culprit 5:39 AM - 7 July, 2015
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Does anyone know whether we can limit the drives to sata2?


your running the 2011? I'm using the 2012 mbp its runnin at 6gb currently.
nik39 7:12 AM - 7 July, 2015
Yeah, 2011 model. Tried sata3 and it didn't work.
Code:E 7:04 PM - 7 July, 2015
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Yeah, 2011 model. Tried sata3 and it didn't work.

Part of the reason i sold my 2011 :(
nik39 8:47 PM - 7 July, 2015
Which model was the last one with a CD drive?
DJMark 9:44 PM - 7 July, 2015
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Which model was the last one with a CD drive?


2012 15-inch MBP.

Actually I think you can still get the 13-inch with optical drive, but I assume you meant "suitable for video".
nik39 9:54 PM - 7 July, 2015
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Which model was the last one with a CD drive?


2012 15-inch MBP.

Actually I think you can still get the 13-inch with optical drive, but I assume you meant "suitable for video".

Exactly. Thanks.

I just dont want to shell out money to upgrade a difference of one year tech wise. :(
Culprit 1:14 AM - 8 July, 2015
It's got USB3, sata 6, and you can use 16gb memory. It was worth the upgrade for me. I got a refurbished one from ebay for $950 shipped (USA)
Culprit 1:20 AM - 8 July, 2015
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:00 AM - 8 July, 2015
Ya mid 2012 was last unibody it's the one i got and the most powerfull was the processor upgrade to 2.7Ghz. I loaded 16GB ram. And it has a 1gb gpu. Also got the antiglare hi-res screen. At the moment i have two samsung 2TB drives in it.
Culprit 5:16 PM - 8 July, 2015
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Ya mid 2012 was last unibody it's the one i got and the most powerfull was the processor upgrade to 2.7Ghz. I loaded 16GB ram. And it has a 1gb gpu. Also got the antiglare hi-res screen. At the moment i have two samsung 2TB drives in it.


I got a evo840 ssd in the main, and the 2tb samsung in the optibay.
Rebelguy 11:57 PM - 8 July, 2015
How do you check if your MBP's other port is running at Sata 2 or 3?
DJMark 3:47 AM - 9 July, 2015
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How do you check if your MBP's other port is running at Sata 2 or 3?


That's not quite the actual issue...the 2011 MBP's have both HD and optical drive SATA busses that are nominally SATA-3, but the optical drive bus isn't stable at SATA-3 speed.

The 2012 MBP's don't seem to have that issue. Unfortunately, the 17-inch models stopped with the late 2011 series.
Dj Nyce 4:24 PM - 10 July, 2015
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It's got USB3, sata 6, and you can use 16gb memory. It was worth the upgrade for me. I got a refurbished one from ebay for $950 shipped (USA)


my late 2011 17" is pushing strong. best consumer electronic purchase i've ever made. i really, really am missing sata 3 and usb3.0 though. i may have to grab one of those 2012 models.
Culprit 7:56 PM - 10 July, 2015
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It's got USB3, sata 6, and you can use 16gb memory. It was worth the upgrade for me. I got a refurbished one from ebay for $950 shipped (USA)


my late 2011 17" is pushing strong. best consumer electronic purchase i've ever made. i really, really am missing sata 3 and usb3.0 though. i may have to grab one of those 2012 models.


Never knocking the older models. My 2010 was going strong, and worked with the 2tb samsung w/ optibay inside. But I had a friend who had his laptop jacked and it scared me so I bought a backup which was the 2012, and I love it even more.
GRiNDBoX 5:48 AM - 15 July, 2015
sad to say no 17' on the 2012 ver...they stop..still loving my early 2011 17' mbp, just got replaced my logic board and waitin for my 1tb samsung evo to arrived..:) this 256 on my main bay need to retire now hehehehehe
Culprit 9:39 PM - 22 July, 2015
It's here, but its $800

www.amazon.com

or pull the m9t out of a seagate slib 2tb for 1/10th the price (and 1/10th the speed lol)
DJMark 12:36 AM - 23 July, 2015
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It's here, but its $800

www.amazon.com

or pull the m9t out of a seagate slib 2tb for 1/10th the price (and 1/10th the speed lol)


I'd hold out for the "Pro" version for $1,000, given the 10 year warranty and history of issues with the earlier EVO drives.
Culprit 3:46 AM - 23 July, 2015
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It's here, but its $800

www.amazon.com

or pull the m9t out of a seagate slib 2tb for 1/10th the price (and 1/10th the speed lol)


I'd hold out for the "Pro" version for $1,000, given the 10 year warranty and history of issues with the earlier EVO drives.


The pro version is a little slower and allows for alot more writes but I doubt what we are using it for it will ever go bad my dude. Check out the stress test. The pro is really meant for servers.
popnwave 11:25 AM - 23 July, 2015
^^^^^ I agree with Culprit. The EVO line is well established now and no VJ is using a drive for intense read/write environments when 75%+ (even if you edit on your same machine) or more we are just reading info off for mixing. It's nothing like database operations.
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:01 PM - 23 July, 2015
Abit pricey in the UK www.amazon.co.uk
Culprit 3:10 PM - 23 July, 2015
2tb ganna be pricey for a hot minute
DaveS 12:05 AM - 2 August, 2015
So, my external has started to bug out on me, and since HD space has gotten so much cheaper, I wanted to run my plan by you guys to make the move to all internal. I'm running a mid2012 MacBook Pro.

2TB M9T with Data Doubler in the optical bay from OWC (Already ordered)
2TB EVO 850 SSD in main bay

I'm concerned about the SSD, as I have read lots of confusing information about TRIM within OSX. I tend to find something that works, and never upgrade. Thus, I am still on Mountain Lion, with 2.4.3 SSL and ME2.

I think I can reinstall Mountain Lion and obviously remain on 2.4.3 SSL and ME, but, am I going to run into any issues with this upgrade path? Should I consider a newer version of OSX? What about TRIM issues?

Reliability is everything to me. I gig 5 nights/week.

Thanks!
popnwave 7:20 AM - 2 August, 2015
With how we use drives as VJs.. TRIM Being off is -not- going to hurt you. Your performance is still going to be lightyears ahead of what you had and a ton less stressful with one less plug to worry about getting yanked while playing out.
DaveS 8:31 AM - 12 August, 2015
So, it got worse this past saturday. The external that had been questionable was knocked off the table by a drunk girl. It fell about 4 ft onto a wooden floor. I picked it up, put it back on the table and connected it, surprisingly enough it came right back online. Now I don't trust it at all, despite it also working sun and tues. I'm extra motivated to make the move quickly.

The data doubler and M9T kit arrived a few days ago. The Samsung 2TB EVO SSD will arrive tomorrow. Sadly, I gig tomorrow night and will have to wait until my day off (Thursday) to really get into things.

A few questions:

1) Should I put the SSD in the data doubler and the M9T in the main bay? From what I read above, it seemed like that might help the heat situation. I assume I can still use the SSD as my boot drive despite it not being in the "main" hard drive slot.

2) I use absolutely nothing on the mac aside from SSL, so I am assuming I can just use CTRL R or whatnot to enter recovery mode and reinstall Mountain Lion from scratch? I could then just download serato / ME and save myself the trouble of trying to clone drives?

3) Any recommendation on software that will hash check as it copies files (from a network drive)?

Thanks!
Culprit 3:14 PM - 12 August, 2015
Dave what macbook pro are you running again? What's currently in your main bay?

If I were you honestly, I would send the m9t back, get a 250gb evo ssd and put that in the main bay and the 2tb ssd in the optibay and call it a day bro.
DaveS 6:03 PM - 12 August, 2015
Mid 2012 macbookpro, the last one before retina. All I have in it is the stock 100gb ssd that came with it.

I know my video library is out of control. I was at 5.6tb two weeks ago, but I have managed to get down to 3.7tb to make this move. Maybe one day I will get down to 2tb, but, for right now, I don't think that is possible.

Your issue with the M9T is heat? Or something else? I guess I could get another 2tb ssd, but this is already a pretty pricey upgrade.
Culprit 7:31 PM - 12 August, 2015
I have zero issues with my setup. I have a mid 2012 Macbook Pro and a mid 2010, both with 250gb ssd in the main bay and 2tb m9t with the optibay in the secondary bay. Zero issues with both.

I was recommending you keep the 100gb ssd and use the 2tb ssd in your optibay for speed only. Since you have a 2012, you have USB3 ports. You can buy a Seagate Backup Plus Slim 2TB Portable External Hard Drive for $90 shipped on amazon.

Or even better -> www.amazon.com the 4tb or even the 4tb fast and your still winning speed wise.

I have my main music on my internal, and my rare stuff on my external that I hardly use and load times are exactly the same.
DaveS 8:01 PM - 12 August, 2015
Sweet. Yeah, my real goal is to move away from externals all together. The firewire G-RAID I had been using has served me very well, and has endured more abuse than anything really should ever have to tolerate. Less wires means less things to plug in and setup, less things that can be disconnected, and also means I have my full library available anytime I want to work on it without the hassle of carrying the external drive and finding a power cord (although I know some USB drives are self powered). USB is completely out, as I need both ports (mixer + maschine)

To be honest, I haven't ever noticed speed issues, and I'm pretty sure my existing setup is pretty slow. I will load my most used onto the ssd and the rest onto the m9t. I will report back once I have made the move!
nik39 11:35 PM - 12 August, 2015
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Less wires means less things to plug in and setup, less things that can be disconnected

+1
DaveS 7:31 AM - 13 August, 2015
Looking pretty good. Replacing the main drive and adding the doubler didn't take much time at all. I'm re downloading mountain lion, I have 90 minutes to go. Not sure why, I have a 100mbit pipe. Regardless, I can confirm in disk utility that both drives are installed and seem to be functional!
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:06 AM - 15 August, 2015
@DaveS Perhaps you need to split up your library (frequently used in the Interval, less used in the HF)

I'm new to videodjing and slowly building up my library but I'm ensuring I don't add useless never to be played tracks to my library, unlike my audio library which has some songs that I probably won't play again.
DaveS 8:38 AM - 15 August, 2015
It is definitely in my plans to shave off another TB at least. Sadly, this is going to have to be done on a track by track basis, and will be very time intensive. I am proud of the 1.9TB I deleted to make just the move to 4TB.

So, tonight was a disaster. First night with the new setup. Sadly, the M9T dropped out about halfway through. Couldn't get it back online no matter what I did. I just got home, removed it, and stuck it in a proven working external case. Still dead. I don't know, it looks like I might have a crappy drive. Really disappointing.
DJ Marv the Maverick 12:00 PM - 15 August, 2015
In my 2012 MBP which I have sold I had 128gb SSD as my start up in the main bay and a 1 TB 7200rpm Hitachi HD in the optical bay.

I think using an SSD as storage for pure djing is a waste for the price its being sold.

The 128gb SSD gives me the quick start that I need in terms of rebooting and the Optical bay 1 tb HD was enough storage albeit those were my audio only days.

If I could do it again I will still have similar configuration, SSD (128/256gb) for startup and the regular HD (2TB) in the optical drive for tunes.

I'm not sure what's the advantage of using an SSD as storage for serato audio and video files. I know its essnetial for doing heavy intensive Media/Video editting.
skinnyguy 4:39 PM - 15 August, 2015
samsung just made a 16 TB ssd. i guess our problems are solved now.

gizmodo.com
Code:E 6:39 PM - 15 August, 2015
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samsung just made a 16 TB ssd. i guess our problems are solved now.

gizmodo.com

I want so bad. too bad it will never fit in any laptop (because of height). I bet within a year production cost will half on it, then half again 6 months later. Which leave just outside the stupid price point. Time to start saving.
DaveS 12:05 AM - 16 August, 2015
Well from a reliability standpoint, I am half tempted to buy another 2TB SSD, despite the fact this puts me way over budget for this project. I'm terrified I will spend the better part of two weeks crating all my tunes and have everything disappear with another drive failure.

I agree however, the speed of the SSD is not needed in the slightest. I demand reliability, as this downtime is already costing me more in lost revenue (gave away gigs due to above issues) than what it would have cost to get the second SSD.

According to a study that Intel did on their SSDs, they found that their SSDs were 5x less likely to fail compared to a normal HDD.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:40 AM - 16 August, 2015
Drives fail all the time. Money well spent is getting another external for your backup. I reckon it will certainly be cheaper than the current solution you are considering. But if money ain't a problem go for it.
Funkytownstopsix 3:30 PM - 17 August, 2015
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Well from a reliability standpoint, I am half tempted to buy another 2TB SSD, despite the fact this puts me way over budget for this project. I'm terrified I will spend the better part of two weeks crating all my tunes and have everything disappear with another drive failure.

I agree however, the speed of the SSD is not needed in the slightest. I demand reliability, as this downtime is already costing me more in lost revenue (gave away gigs due to above issues) than what it would have cost to get the second SSD.

According to a study that Intel did on their SSDs, they found that their SSDs were 5x less likely to fail compared to a normal HDD.

If Drive fails have a back up much cheaper to have a back up then spend all that money on SSD.

This is how I do mine setup. I have a 1tb hard drive and in the optics I have a 2tb neither SDD. One the 1tb I keep mp3's on the 2tb I keep Videos. Now all my files sit on myDesktop PC which has 6 hard drives in it, I save and move my files into folder(my folders are my Crates) so if anything crashes all I have to do is drag folders and crates are there... plus you can save your serato crates and still keep them if you choose. I then back up all the folders to a 6tb drive. SO when it's said an done I actually have the same thing in 4 places seems like a lot but if you do it every time you get new vids then it's easy. I take two laptops they both have same setup and my 6tb just in case,,,,done deal. SDD is much better if you plan on dropping a hard drive but the cost is not cost effective enough for me to switch as it still may fail. FYI I am mostly an R&B Rap DJ,,,,,I have all kinds of videos for other genre's so in order to stay down to 2tb I can't have all my country, latin, house vidoes on there so in that case I have it backed up in 2 places the PC and the 6tb and when I need them I add them. Even if I had SDD I would still back it up the same way, I have lost my whole library once that will never happen again.
Culprit 7:55 PM - 27 October, 2016
www.amazon.com

2tb Sale, Crucial
Millz 11:05 PM - 27 December, 2016
I just installed the Samsung 850 evo 4tb on my primary, which is really nice. I have a question for anyone who is using a 17 inch late MBP. Have any of you had 100% success with running a sata 3 in your caddy spot? Looks like the biggest sata 2 SSD comes from OWC (Toshiba) as 1tb. Thoughts?
Millz 11:06 PM - 27 December, 2016
*17 inch late 2011
Culprit 1:31 AM - 28 December, 2016
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*17 inch late 2011


I did a mod for a friend. I think it was a mid 2011 and the main port was SATA 3.0 and the secondary port was SATA 2.0.
Culprit 1:32 AM - 28 December, 2016
We couldn't get it to work full speed, even with the firmware update.
Millz 1:43 AM - 28 December, 2016
I was not concerned with the speed. I'm more concerned with lags, freezing, performance issues?
Culprit 6:31 AM - 28 December, 2016
well we installed a 2tb samsung m9t 5200 rpm drive. It was no way in comparison to a ssd drive. It worked rather well actually. The weird thing about this combo setup was that when we had the 57SL connected, we would get some lag with the video files upon loading. Not always, very randomly. Like every 10 or 15 files, 1 file would lag to show the waveform or audio output. When we tried the same setup on a Rane 62, no real issues.
Millz 11:40 AM - 28 December, 2016
I had a 1.5 wd green drive in the caddy for the past 4 years or so. Never performance issues, but I wanted to put something bigger in its place, SSD style....
DJMark 8:37 PM - 28 December, 2016
My recollection of the 2011 MacBook Pros is that SATA-3 is a no-go for drives mounted in the optical bay. I had to find a SATA-2 drive when I was still using the "late 2011" 17-inch MBP.

2012 models solved that problem, unfortunately that's when the 17-inch model went away.
DJMark 8:44 PM - 28 December, 2016
earlier in this thread:

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" DJMark 3:24 PM - 19 November, 2012
There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though)."

Millz 5:00 AM - 29 December, 2016
Perhaps its time for me to get rid of this one and move on to something newer.
Dj Nyce 7:30 PM - 9 January, 2017
i just got rid of my late 2011 17" mbp this month :(

i went with the 2012 retina maxed out (1tb ssd). no 2nd drive but i stuck a 2tb SDD in an oyen digital minipro (usb3). happy camper. i also have an akitio neutrino thunder d3 for video editing.

the 2012 is significantly faster, i get usb3 and two thunderbolt ports. its lighter and the retina screen is beautiful. video performance is noticeably better as well.
nik39 1:36 PM - 10 January, 2017
How much did you pay for the 2012 model?
Dj Nyce 1:40 PM - 10 January, 2017
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How much did you pay for the 2012 model?


eBay $795 usd
www.ebay.com

did not come with a power supply, but i got one for $30 on eBay.
Dj Nyce 1:42 PM - 10 January, 2017
oh and i sold the 2011 for $900 #winning
nik39 1:45 PM - 10 January, 2017
Nyce! ;)
DJMark 1:21 AM - 11 January, 2017
One nice thing about the Retina models is you can get the old "17-inch resolution" of 1920x1200 on the screen. Text and GUI elements will obviously be smaller than on a 17" MBP but I find it quite usable that way.
JDforKing 5:35 PM - 11 January, 2017
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i just got rid of my late 2011 17" mbp this month :(

i went with the 2012 retina maxed out (1tb ssd). no 2nd drive but i stuck a 2tb SDD in an oyen digital minipro (usb3). happy camper. i also have an akitio neutrino thunder d3 for video editing.

the 2012 is significantly faster, i get usb3 and two thunderbolt ports. its lighter and the retina screen is beautiful. video performance is noticeably better as well.


I'm curious to know why you went with a 2012 that wasn't upgradable. Wouldn't have made more sense to go with a say 2014 to give yourself more years before you have to buy another computer? I'm looking to do something similar but don't know what direction to go.

Do you also mix videos?

All I know is I'm not getting one of the new 2016 Macbook pros that were released.
Millz 11:40 PM - 11 January, 2017
For me, my 2011 late 17 inch had the board fry out late last year, and Apple replaced it under its warranty program they had for the gui problems the 2011's had. I figure I have another 2-3 years left on this one before I have to upgrade. I haven't made the jump to spinning 1080s yet, so this one should be fine. Hopefully Apple will release a better Pro version in the up and coming years.

Nyce, you got a great deal man!
Dj Nyce 2:24 AM - 12 January, 2017
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I'm curious to know why you went with a 2012 that wasn't upgradable. Wouldn't have made more sense to go with a say 2014 to give yourself more years before you have to buy another computer? I'm looking to do something similar but don't know what direction to go.

Do you also mix videos?

All I know is I'm not getting one of the new 2016 Macbook pros that were released.


It was a hard choice. i had the 2011 since 2011 i think. I maxed out the ram, installed an ssd and an hdd in the cd burner slot. It served me well. Nothing was wrong with it, but i needed usb3 and (2) thunderbolt ports for connectivity. I had to keep switching between an external thunderbolt drive with only one thunderbolt port and a thunderbolt display. Very annoying. Also, i wasn't happy that the 2nd drive slot being gimped (no 6G).

So i made sure to get a 2012 that was at least max out in cpu and ram. i only get a 500gb flash storage, but with two usb3 and two thunderbolt ports, i'm just an external hard drive away from additional storage. Also owc, offers a 1tb flash storage upgrade if you really wanted it.

The new macbook pros don't excite me. If they come out with a 6-core, then maybe i'll jump. And yeah i do mix videos, but not like i used to. In DC, the market for video is thin.
JDforKing 2:32 AM - 12 January, 2017
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I'm curious to know why you went with a 2012 that wasn't upgradable. Wouldn't have made more sense to go with a say 2014 to give yourself more years before you have to buy another computer? I'm looking to do something similar but don't know what direction to go.

Do you also mix videos?

All I know is I'm not getting one of the new 2016 Macbook pros that were released.


It was a hard choice. i had the 2011 since 2011 i think. I maxed out the ram, installed an ssd and an hdd in the cd burner slot. It served me well. Nothing was wrong with it, but i needed usb3 and (2) thunderbolt ports for connectivity. I had to keep switching between an external thunderbolt drive with only one thunderbolt port and a thunderbolt display. Very annoying. Also, i wasn't happy that the 2nd drive slot being gimped (no 6G).

So i made sure to get a 2012 that was at least max out in cpu and ram. i only get a 500gb flash storage, but with two usb3 and two thunderbolt ports, i'm just an external hard drive away from additional storage. Also owc, offers a 1tb flash storage upgrade if you really wanted it.

The new macbook pros don't excite me. If they come out with a 6-core, then maybe i'll jump. And yeah i do mix videos, but not like i used to. In DC, the market for video is thin.


I looked into the seller you purchased your 2012 MacBook Pro and he's refurbishes the macs he myself. Are you happy with the quality and condition that your Mac was sent to you in? I'm leaning towards buying refurbished like you did but maybe a 2014.
JDforKing 3:27 AM - 12 January, 2017
*from ,*himself

Sorry I'm typing on my phone and I hate it. Lol
Culprit 9:53 AM - 12 January, 2017
For the record, all my Macbook Pro's have been refurbished. My first one was directly from Apple Website, and my second one was Apple Certified Refurbished from Micro Center. No issues or problems.
JDforKing 3:50 AM - 22 March, 2017
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" DJMark 3:24 PM - 19 November, 2012
There have been some problems with certain drives in certain MacBook Pro Models...they weren't related to rotational speed and cache, they had to do with a misbehaving internal SATA bus, and (to a much lesser extent) "Advanced Power Management".

The "misbehaving internal SATA bus" issue is the one most likely to cause audio/video stops and beachballing. It affects drives that are running at an interface speed that the computer supports but is not stable at.

For one example: putting a SATA-3 drive into the optical bay of a 2011 15 or 17 inch Macbook Pro will most likely cause severe problems (a SATA-2 drive will work fine there though)."


I'm wondering if this problem was solved. My 2011 13 in MacBook Pro is showing link speed of 6 gigabit which is sata 3.0 and my 7200 rpm hgst hard drive is working fine in the optical drive bay with the OWC data doubler.
Culprit 7:39 AM - 22 March, 2017
No they were not resolved. Apple moved on, and the 13" Macbook Pro's were never affected.
JDforKing 2:10 PM - 22 March, 2017
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No they were not resolved. Apple moved on, and the 13" Macbook Pro's were never affected.


thanks
nik39 9:51 AM - 1 July, 2017
Need your help guys...

A. What's the last MacBook Pro which offered a CD slot where you could add an additional drive?

B. What's the last MacBook which has a regular 2.5" drive which you can replace by yourself with a 2.5" SSD (or HD)?
d:raf 11:05 AM - 1 July, 2017
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Need your help guys...

A. What's the last MacBook Pro which offered a CD slot where you could add an additional drive?

B. What's the last MacBook which has a regular 2.5" drive which you can replace by yourself with a 2.5" SSD (or HD)?


I'm thinking the 2012 Macbook Pro (non-retina) models?
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:08 PM - 1 July, 2017
Mid 2012 was last ones
Culprit 8:08 PM - 1 July, 2017
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Mid 2012 was last ones


Yes. Md103lla/md104lla
the SOUNDINSURGENT 3:05 AM - 3 July, 2017
Thinking about Niks question, is it worth going back to one the non Retina models or save and buy a new maxed out MacBook??

Right now I'm using a 2012 Retina and I'm always carrying hard drives with me which isn't bad as long as non get damaged in transport.
Culprit 5:11 AM - 3 July, 2017
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Thinking about Niks question, is it worth going back to one the non Retina models or save and buy a new maxed out MacBook??

Right now I'm using a 2012 Retina and I'm always carrying hard drives with me which isn't bad as long as non get damaged in transport.


I think carrying hard drives is the norm right now. With USB 3 its really up to you, as for what we use them for, the speed difference is really minimal. I like just booting my macbook pro up and its everything in one and its super fast.

With a portable hard drive, you can use backup macbook pro (if you got one with you) or if your computer craps out due to hardware failure. If you have everything in one, you would need 2 identical computers, one for backup and always needed to be in sync. There is also that whatif moment if you accidentally take the wrong external, which I have done so as well.

I think I will probably go another 6 months and just throw my SSD in an external hard drive with USB 3 support.
popnwave 2:52 PM - 3 July, 2017
I think when I upgrade I have accepted external as a fact of life. However, I will certainly get an OWC/Macsales TB2 or TB3 dock vs multiple dongles. Yeah they cost $200-300 but the reliability to me is worth it long term.