is this feature actually in the pipeline or is it just rumoured? might take up a considerable chunk more of CPU to do it on-the fly, not to mention more latency... some sort of master tempo would be great though if it could be implemented properly, so that the pitch (or original key) of the song could be separated from the BPM when sped up/down

Yes, it's in the pipeline as a plug-in for Scratch LIVE. And yes, it would use a decent chunk of CPU. In terms of latency, it will increase the minimum USB buffer size to 5ms.

5ms? no problem it's hardly noticable until it gets past about 10 or 12 anyway i find... for those with CPU to spare this master tempo would be an awesome feature (I suspect it will be the mac users who may find their CPU's don't keep up rather than the newer PCs...)

This will put SSL beyond the quality of any other DJing system IMO.

daaam cant wait

Steve,



I have a legally purchased RTAS version of Pitch n' Time, but ever since I stopped using Pro Tools two years ago, I haven't been able to use it. Will I be able to use it in the proposed plug-in architecture for Scratch LIVE?

Thanks,
Mokolai

There is no RTAS version of Pitch 'n Time, only AudioSuite. The AudioSuite architecture is designed for batch processing, not the low latency real time processing required for Scratch LIVE.

Steve,
So if I upgraded my 2.1 version of Pitch n' Time to 2.2 (Mac OS X compatibility), would I be able to use Pitch n' Time in Logic Pro? I haven't been able to use P n T for quite a while now, and it would be great if I could use it again.

Thanks for your time (didn't mean to hijack this thread),
Mokolai

Does logic still support AudioSuite? I haven't heard about this in a while. Are you able to use other AudioSuite plug-ins in Logic Pro? Knowing Apple, this functionality may well have been stripped in the takeover.

AJ,
I've looked in all my Logic manuals and supplementary books, and there's no mention of Audiosuite, but there is an AudioSuite drop-down menu in the Sample Editor.

Moko

I'm using Logic Pro 6.4.1, (soon to update to 6.4.2)

Moko

I'm pretty sure you'd need the DAE to be selected as the driver to use in logic in order to even *attempt* to use Audiosuite. As such you'd need a version of Pro Tools installed anyway.

just wanted a little clarification here- does serato have a key lock feature? i played with fs v1.5 a while ago and i have to say the key lock feature was AMAZING, and something that should be a must in serato. i am a huge fan of rane products and a proud owner of a ttm56, but just want to make sure serato has this feature before buying. the keylock on my numark ttx's is actually really good and something that i use alot- but i wont beable to use it in conjunction with an mp3 controller system- so yeah- can serato do it???

djspicedham, unfortunately SSL does not support "keylock" in the current version. It has been said, that it was planned, but it will be a paid plug in, which will use seratos (famous) pitch'n'shift algos. If you ever used FS1 you should know how bad key lock sounds there. Dont know about FS2, but I hope its much better there.
I also hope this will be introduced soon. Maybe some mod can write a few lines about the estimated time when we can expect that... :-)

thanks nik for the fast reply. well that sucks. i guess i kind of understand why its not a huge priority, and i appreciate keeping things simple and stable, but i have to say- the key lock feature is something im not willing to part with. its something that would make me consider buying final scratch 2 more seriously because it really is quite cool- especially if your into mash ups- you can really mix anything together and it just opens up doors that never even existed before. while i want to buy rane- because i know and trust their stuff- for someone who's on more of the production tip, all the extra features that final scratch slams on really makes it a contender. but yeah- if theres a mod out there who could comment on the key lock situation that would be awesome.

ps- nik- whats the "pitch 'n' shift algos"??

www.serato.com

it's actually called "pitch 'n time" and is prob the insudtry leading plugin when it comes to time compression or expansion.

djspicedham, I totally understand your point. I also agree, nowadays the DJ does not only "playback" music from vinyl or any other media, but he also creates new music, new styles, and therefor needs as much freedom as possible. Having the opportunity to mix almost any track with each other using the PitchKey function is really nice and for some DJs also essential (as this is part of their style, trying out extreme mixes which would not match w/o pitchkey). But at the same time a DJ should be concerned about the quality of his music, and that is why I dont understand how you could compare FS pitchkey function with anything from serato. Qualitywise FS pitchkey s.u.c.k.s. Even with the highest quality settings. So, I would rather wait for a good implementation from serato and its pitch'n'shift plug in.
(I cant comment of FS2's pitchkey algorithms but... I haven read that they have neither updated nor changed them, so I assume they are the same as in FS1, means awfull)

You would use FS to produce mash-up tracks? If you can afford it I would definitely suggest getting an M-Box and Pitch 'n Time.

www.digidesign.com

www.serato.com

start the chant now pitch n time, pitch n time, ra ra ra, ra ra ra. Yeah I have very little patience so what else is new. LOL. key adjust definitely a must or bust situation. :-)

sure but djs have been doin fine without it for some years now. mytoosense:)

whats up guys- glad to see a little discussion building. thanks for chiming in josh. in answer to your question- "You would use FS to produce mash-up tracks?" YES is the answer. I would use it the same way i use my numark tt-x's- throw on some weird ass beat and then some acappella from some jiggy ass new track
(key-locked of course) and boom- im mashing shit up. The problem is, i cant do that kind of thing with serato and i can do it with final scratch. nik- have you used final scratch v1.5? because the pitchkey feature really does NOT s.u.c.k. the first time i played with it i thought the devil made it- it was better then my tt-x's and could be pushed farther with out distorting sound. so yeah. im just not sure how you can say it sucks- and that was 1.5, im sure 2.0 is even better. anyway josh- the bottom line is FS does this and serato doesnt- if you guys want to stay competitive- i implore you- include it in serato. ok im done. oh, also- that plug-in for pro tools is useless to me- i want something i can play with in real time from within the serato scratch software.

maybe that's because you are not using it correctly. P'n T is the bomb when used correctly. granted you can't use it in real time situations...it still is miles ahead of the shitty TFS software.

feniks- i agree with you that pitch n time is a quality peice of software, but you cant use it in real time- it just doesnt do what i want it to do whether you "use it correctly," or not.

i see your point. it's really not a "live performance" piece of software. just curious, what is it not able to do that you would like it to?

bottom line:

serato please implement some form of key lock / pitch n time setup ASAP so i can fire my FinalScratch unit out of a cannon into the face of the nearest Native Instruments rep.

FS is absolute garbage compared to SL but I cant get rid of it until SL can fill its shoes with regards to pitch shifting, its really that important to me.

oh yeah.. i have _NO_ problem with paying extra for the plugin, none, not one.

Right now you could re-record the tracks you need to pitch like crazy. I figure you only need to bend the hell out of a few tracks in your set. Right? Just copy the tracks amd re-pitch them using Audacity (free) or something.
Kiss FS goodbye.

Aside from the increased CPU load, if key correction, effects, etc were to be introduced, what would happen to the load on the USB? in fact, as it is now, does anyone know how big the load is on the USB, say, while both decks are playing?

key correction wont affect the USB bus:

turntable <-(analog audio)-> SSL box <-(digital via USB)-> pc

Key correction would take place inside the pc.
You can calculate that the USB bus is pretty on load, cause you got 4 mono channels in two directions plus one mono channel in one direction (mic input), which sums up to a bandwidht cunsumption of:

((4*2)+1)44.kHz*16bit/s=6.354Mbps

Check here scratchlive.net <- click.

i neeeeeeeeed that pitch retaining function
i would pay for the plug in with no hesitation
can we see this implimented soon mods?

not in time for the next update (who's got itchy fingers?), maybe a plug-in architecture will be in-place for 1.4 thus leading the way for a pitch-n-time plug-in.

One suggestion for this update. Don't require a purchase of pitch-n-time. I'm guessing the reason this plugin is taking so long is because the number of people willing to pay for it doesn't solicit much effort. When I was deciding whether to by FS or SSL, the missing pitchlock feature bothered me, but I am living without it. I would love to have it, but I'm not going to pay 100 dollars for PnT to enjoy it. I can be patient for this as long as it doesn't turn out to be just that. Then I will truly be disappointed. Give us some hints Josh and AJ, tell those of us that are eagerly awaiting updates what you have hiding up your sleeves. Also, it would be great if you had a proposed feature list(with proposed release schedule if applicable) so someone that doesn't want to spend a day pouring over these forums could find that info quickly.

this has already been discussed in some detail. it's pretty certain that if and when a pitch function plug-in is introduced for use with SSL it will be completely optional and will require a purchase (how much....who knows yet). the reason is that this plugin will almost certainly be based around the award winning Pitch 'n Time software that Serato also produces. if you don't know anything about pitch software, P'nT is really the industry gold standard (ie. there is nothing better). this plugin normally costs about $800 so i'm guessing that a stripped down version to use with SSL will also cost some money....but less of course. i'm gonna ballpark it and say that users can probably expect to pay around $50-100 for this OPTIONAL feature (and yes it will probably be 100% better than Final Scratch's pitch software). just my 2 cents...

i'd buy it for $50-$100. i'm wating for it too.

I'VE been waiting too. All in good time. :-)

Key Correction = Good = Badly Needed in SSL ...


Ya'll forgive me for this .. I found my wandering hands messing with FS's Key Lock and liking it ..... Yes I am very ashamed.

Yeah, but did you listen to the quality? It sucked... IMHO. BTW, there seems to be also some audio quality issues with SSL when using vinyl timecode... working on a thread with more details.

Looks like this is only the case with CV01, which means no further investigation necessary.

the key correction in fs 1.5 was pretty good so im sure its the same or better in 2.0. the quality does not suck nik- i keep on trying to tell you. not saying fs2 is better than ssl at all but ssl is lacking the key correction for now. stop being such a hater.

djspicedham, I am not a hater. And if you seriously think 1.5's key correction at the highest qualiy settings sounds good, you should consider visiting a doctor and checking you ears. No offense. I still own FS1, and I am not the only one saying that the key correction does not sound good. But its up to you to decide, each his own. There are people out there who dont hear any difference between 128kbps mp3s and original cd quality, so I am not very surprised seeing some out there who think FS1 sounds good.

well from a marketing standpoint, having a half-assed implementation (FS) is better than none at all (SSL).

just bells and whistles IMO. i'd rather have a product that worked flawlessly and sounded good than have a product that had tons of extras but only worked properly half the time and dounded like shit. plus if you really think about it, DJs have been spinning with turntables for years without needing a Pitch lock function......hmmmmmm wonder how they got by all these years without it [sarcasm]

i'd have to agree... SSL is an vinyl emulation product. the odds are, if you use turntables most likely you don't miss pitch lock.

there are times that i miss the master tempo of my cdj-700s (when spinning where bpm's vary greatly and you need to match keys--for example hip-hop).

My thoughts exactly .. you nailed it !!!


ps: but seing that we are in the digital age, it would be a nice user selectable option.

I don't find master tempo paticularly useful on my CDJ, better would be the ability to alter the pitch without changing the tempo.

Then you'll love Pitch 'n Time

pitch-lock is a great function if you mix hiphop or eclectic beats it can give tracks a whole new dimension but is of no use whatsoever to dj's of set tempo tunes so the debate will always continue as to its use and how dj's have been ok without it.i personally hate it when mixing hip hop and suffering the "chipmunk vocal" so it is a real requirement for me.i mix all types of music so coupled with an fx mixer it takes my mixes to another level.
we are entering a new age of music/djing & to stay at the top of the game it is necessary to try new things & experiment more otherwise dj's will just become another fad that will die out.
think how many people there r out there with decks. how many of them will get anywhere?
if you ask them i bet you none of them took it up just so they can do it upstairs in the bedroom (i wouldnt beleive them if they said they did!)they want some kind of recognition from it.
having the most up to date resources can really help.
i think this issue with the key correct function on fs really depends on your pc i had fs1.5.4 and sometimes when i used key correct it sounded terrible (horrible crunching crackling bubbling over the bulk of the mp3)other times not- in fact when it worked i loved it, but it isnt stable for every1 everytime & IMO that is not a good product its like selling people planes that only take off for some people sometimes and depends on your fuel:or maybe not but we will tell you that anyway.
how would a company get by operating like that? i sent my fsscratchamp away to be repaired i still havent had it back yet and i first had this problem in nov last year!!
now is that a good way to run a business?
i feel confident that if i had issues with my ssl SA it would be resolved a damn sight quicker that this so i can live without pitchlock for a while (A WHILE!!!NOT FOREVER) & be happy with the peace of mind i have owning SSL
Anyway thats my 2 cents/pence/euros etc

nik39- sorry it took me so long to reply- i was at the doctors getting my ears checked. maybe dave is right and it had to do with the comp you have, but i had fs1.5 hooked up to a pretty powerful desktop and the pitch lock worked better than on my ttx's and the lock on the ttx's works pretty damn good, and i am a person who can distinguish between 128kbps and 192kbps . but its kind of a mute point right now and i would rather not spend anymore time arguing with you. bottom line is when the plugin for ssl comes out, its going to be way better than fs- i just hope it comes out sometime soon! we've been waiting for a while. peace.

djspicedham, I tried F1.5 on a P4 with 2.4G and even FS2 doesnt sound good. But each his own, I also thing the PnT plugin will rule.

what is taking soooooooooooo lonnnnnnnnnng ....................................

patience. patience.

Bigger fish to fry.

woah - i just bought serato and i assumed there would be a pitch lock built in - but there is none!?!?!

i can't believe this.. the rest seems so good.. but i NEED pitch lock..

ah well - back to FS i go :( shame.

lol

or you NEED some practice so don't HAVE to use pitch lock. if that is the only reason why you are heading 'back to FS' then i will see you here again when you have a problem that support can't handle.

good point Dj 3pm. :-)

thats a pretty stupid thing you said there m8. pitchlock isnt about practice.. lol. it just means more in-key options.

as for the rest you are absolutely right :D.

ps. i thought that pitch-lock was suposed to be in 1.4 anyone knows why it isnt?

Obviously they hadnt got it finished.

It has never been said that 1.4 would/should have the PnT plugin.

Good Riddance :)

just back to check if it's ready yet..

3pm - i mix tracks using the full +/-50% my decks allow sometimes - without pitch lock it would be impossible - and practice wouldn't help.
i _could_ mix only tracks within +/-8% of each other but i find that limiting, especially when it comes to acapellas.

FS support - i've never needed it.. yes it's a pile of shit and i would trust it to do anything - but it's not rocket science here, any problems with technical stuff have been easily resolved.

As i've stated elsewhere i was very impressed with serato scratch in ALL other ways, and as soon as the pnt plugin arrives i'll buy it back in a shot - until then i'm happy with FS (and an extra £400)

Here´s my point of view:
I´m the DJ of a LiveBand. On Stage I mostly cut´n´mix sounds of the orginal album productions, like horns, background vocals and other stuff, the band cannot reproduce live.
Thats why I got the Pioneer CDJ1000 a few years ago, because of its unbelievable "masterpitch" feature. don´t get me wrong, I hate to scratch with CDs, but back then it was the only way to keep in time with the band, because our drummer is "metronome-less" (for musical reasons) and somtimes he´s a slave to my loops ;-) I need this tool to adjust the tempo in realtime and at the same time staying in tune with my band members. Another reason was the great anti-skipping that comes with a CDplayer like this, especially when our MCs start to jump around like in a house of pain. Well, over the years I constructed a case which eleminates all kinds of rumbling and feedbacks, so I´m able to use turntables without the risk of needle-skipping.
Two days ago I got me a SSL and I love it. But to use it on tour I´ll need a master-tempo function! Since I got PnT for my ProTools system I know you guys make it happen.

I know you guys have heard it, but MASTER TEMPO is it for me. I am a NY-LA bi coastal DJ and a lot people ask me if I've gone digital. I enthusistically promote Serato but uinfortunaltely have to retract partially because of the lack of Master Tempo support. Let's get it in 1.5. Thanks for an already great product!

yeah, serato is awesome but a pitch lock would be awesome to see in 1.5. I DJ alot of rave and hardcore, and sometimes when i speed up a record, the bass will sound like its on helium, and things just will not slide together :(. A pitch lock for a something we all spent 500$ or so on, is a must have. No exuse as to why it isnt there yet. So yeah, lets see it up and running in 1.5. :D

(as a 4th year electrical engineering student) 500+ is a steal for the technology we get. for the free future updates and *especially* the hardware design. the effort put into the entire hardware/software design process is in my opinion worth tons more than the 500 we pay for SSL, so to tell the development team what is expected of them (considering what we already have) is a bit much.... just my opinion

Word, djxatl...I was just about to comment on that.

true true on about the free updates,design, and value; anyway the plugin for pitch lock would be a plugin you would have to pay for and not a freebie. It should be worth the wait and to pay for.

I have no problem paying for master tempo. Any ideas of if and when it will be avail.

Technics 1200's cost close to that, and don't have pitch lock built in.

As someone who rapidly grew fed up/pissed off with NI's marketing-driven approach to software development (failing to deal with existing bugs, while piling on more and more useless and stupid "features" onto must-pay-for updates that may or may not deal with the existing bugs...or worse, add a bunch of new bugs), the conservative, sensible, COMMUNICATIVE approach being taken by Serato is extremely refreshing. I hope they have the good sense to stick with it even if their marketing people (and a few users) get impatient.

The Final Scratch 2/Traktor "pitch lock" sounds like total crap to me even in the highest-quality "PSOLA" mode, by the way (not to mention, engaging it activates one particularly annoying software bug in Traktor). The same goes for any Pioneer CDJ I've ever used. Pads and basslines take on a "burbled" sound that I find extremely annoying. Maybe (like was the case with MP3) the degradations are of a type you have to "learn" how to hear.

We were very disappointed that we didn't get pitch lock into 1.5, but it's just not ready. We are still working on it, and we'll release it as soon as the quality is acceptable. I would say it's definitely going to be in 1.6, but a couple of months ago I would have said it was going to be in 1.5.
However, we have made a lot of progress, and we are not far off.

It's sounding great, just still a little too CPU intensive.

doh!

cool thanks for the progress update on this. :-)

Yeah, thanks Sam for telling us about the progress this far!

Thanks Sam. Is it going to be a plug-in or a new feature. I don't plan on buying Serato until this is added.

However, if it's going to be free, I could buy it now and wait for the update.

It wont be free, this has been said officially, as this is a paid plug-in.

...but I think it will be worth every penny!

well, looks like you're getting close!

can't wait.. FS is REALLY pissing me off now ;) (i'm sure you'll all be pleased to hear!)

do the switch already jeff. pitch n time seems to be only a short while away....is having master tempo available that much worth the frustration with whatever feature you're having on fs?

I'm used to the pitch lock on the CDX and CDJ1000. The CDJ1000 is nice 'cause you can still scratch with it on but I like how you can also adjust the pitch and not necessarily the tempo on the CDX. Its especially important for reggae music. People are used to hearing songs at at least +3. Some DJs even play it up at +6 or higher (sounds too sharp for me), so its nice to be able to use the pitch lock and pitch it up +1 (semitone). For me the feature is not about making it easier to mix (although it does), its about the ability to mix the unmixable record. ie; take a slow acapella and mix it over an uptempo riddim.

Just ordered my SSL so I really hope this will be ready soon!

Im debating Btween FS & SSL I Was almost convinced to buy SSL But Thanks God Id Hadent Payed for it jet its Missing one of the most important Feature Master tempo and Pitch Lock is The same thing a big must! Pitch & Time I own pro tools and have waves gold and there is a Fix to use AudioSuite as RTAS its called AUDIOSUITE to RTAS search for it on the net i bet youll find it. Now I dont think thats the solution thow. For a real D.J. to be able to feel the mix,RMX (Mashing) in a Live setion is even more fun. if you make ita Plug in it well kill the live Feeling. It will stop being fun! and if Its Like that then Id rather sit in front of protools Take a bonch of songs edit a Few mixs and go to the club play the cd and act if I was doing it Live. Man Thats BullS#1T. Theres no fun in that then whats the point in saing this is the best O SSL This and That THE BEST! I DONT THINK SO! If the competition has it Rane should Mak it Beter. Bottom Line. O I dont thinkthat any one should pay an extra amount of dollars to get a feature that comes in every digital Item today. If the competition includes it at no extra cost. The Why Souldnt Rane. Get It Don Right So I can Buy It and START having FUN! Thank you very Much ATT: D.J. (MIX MASTER) DIAZ Hip Hiop,R&B,Reggae,Reggaeton,House,Techno,TripHop,Jungle,
Trance Salsa,Bachata,Merengue and Etc. Just Have Fun!

Have you ever compared the results of FS2's Pitch lock algo and the one from Serato which the PnT plugin will be based on? If you do, you might understand why this plugin is not for free.

But I agree there should be some "basic" Pitch lock feature which allows to be used with average quality, for free.

This seems like a good idea, both to give everyone *some* kind of pitch-lock and also so that this "basic-quality" pitch-lock (which would presumably be less CPU-intensive) would make the function usable for people with slower hardware.

Maybe it could be engineered so that everyone got the same plug-in, but paying the upgrade "unlocks" the option for highest-quality mode (the "HQ" button would otherwise either not appear in the interface or show up greyed-out).

Id like a free basic one too, I would rarely use it anyway so I dont feel like paying out for something I would hardly ever use or really need it to be that high of quality.

Bump.. waiting for it in 1.6 :-)

dang do u know how much R & D it would be to do a basic plugin and a "HQ" one. Too much, one plugin as an option like an accessory if you want it then pay for it. :-) Thats always been my motto if you want quality then expect to pay for it.

Damn this was 3 months ago. Sam is it almost here? Not flaming you just asking. I'm still waiting patiently! :)

Serato, Open up your plugin standard and allow third parties to build this for you before you lose more customers to FS simply switching for their feature rich software suite. I own SSL, but I was tempted to buy FS for its features, as I'm sure many others are. You aren't the only developers in the world capable of producing a quality pitch lock plugin ... or any other plugin for that matter ... to improve the quality of your software. If you lack developers, then hire 10 people to 1 from India like every other software company in the world. Keep your US developers for quality assurance testing and inbound marketing. I do commend you for not being trigger happy however.

Opening their software so any hobby programmer can code a dodgy plugin which will crash SSL thus runing the stable image of SSL? I dont think this is a smart move. Besides this, you (and anyone else) have the freedom to code a better "pitch lock" plugin. But... it seems like the SSL guys are smarter than the others cause there is no better pitch lock algorithm on the market yet.

cmos, they don't develop the software in the US. Serato is New Zealand based.

any update yet

I want to buy serato But I went to CDJs a few years back and got use to pitch lock.

patience my young padawan learner...They'll suprise you when you least expect it!

;)

Real DJ's don't *need* pitch-lock. I agree it would be *nice*, but only if it doesn't affect stability. And even as good as the Pitch-n-Time software is (I've used the Pro Tools plug-in), it still can cause audible degradation, so it wouldn't be something I'd ever just leave on...though it sounds a lot better than the "master tempo" or "pitch lock" on Pioneer and Denon CD players. (Hope you're not just leaving those engaged on CD players if you care at all about sound quality).

And Serato are in absolutely no danger of losing "more customers to FS simply switching for their feature rich software suite"...that argument is completely ridiculous. The DJ store I frequent here in San Francisco has sold dozens of SSL systems in the last six months, and in that same time hasn't moved a single Final Scratch system (even my old system that I traded in is still sitting there...they can't give the thing away).

I think you got this wrong sir. I have yet to see anyone ditch SSL for FS ....it's FS who lost all of us to SSL.

rane/serato is a company that treats its customers exceptionally well and i found that statement (threat) quite ungrateful and disrespectful

Hello.

If you can make it work well on a 2GHz Intel Core Duo Macbook, then I'm all for it.

Thank you for your consideration.

jack

As an SL-1 and a TTM57 owner, i can say either one of these setups could be painted pink, have feathers stuck to them and require passing a breathalyzer each time I want to use them and it would still be better then FS.

and i would go thru all of that. Pitch lock is not a deal breaker for me. I much rather a company with real people that actually respond to questions, comments and suggestions. and especially if they really use the product; and if i was buying it all again for the first time with all that i know now... i would do it all the same

lol wtf is a "real dj" ?
isnt it just about doing the best performance..
and not about beeing real?!

if everybody thought like that about the "real dj" thing there would not have been any development or evolution at all.

any update on the release? the last update we received on this was 7 months ago =(

I have to say as a Mixshow DJ when you are jumping 10-15 bpm per song you NEED a pitch lock in order to not chimpmunk out the vocals.

Now I generally try not to jump that many BPM, but it has been required before.

that's when you find another way to move between tracks other than simple blends.

I am very excited about this new feature and happy to pay money for it. I just did my first show with Serato last weekend and am so happy with the setup. However, before I was burning CDs and playing from CDJ1000's so I got used to key lock, which is something that comes in very handy for my eclectic style of music. I think it is the only feature lacking from the current system.

I have FS2 and I can confirm the pitch lock on that was pretty crap, and badly effected performance of scratching etc. I am sure Serato can show NI how its done properly.

I can't wait to get my hands on it. C'mon developers, drink more diet coke and get this thing out the door ;)

Can anybody answer my question before I buy this product? If SSL does'nt have a key lock feature will my key lock on my CDJ's work with it? I'm into remixing acapellas alot and scratching them in live mixes like I do with CD's, so can someone help me.

I'm sure that there are better explanations than mine on this board, (do a search) before someone bites your head off...

But in short its not supposed to work. The Control CDs play the tone and your pitch control adjusts the pitch of the tone. A key lock does some kind of time stretching by exploiting gaps of silence in the track and either pushing them together or making them longer. Doing that to the control signal will make the SSL virtual decks think something crazy is going on.. and what you will hear is well, something crazy

need track/file pitch tuning/key adjustment independant-able from traditional pitch slider.
ie. still have slider for the traditional pitch +/- percentage adjustments, then have the option of splitting this into it's three constituent elements, such that; three independant sliders,
1. for +/- bpm changes. (w/o key or pitch/tuning changes.)
2. for +/- pitch/tuning changes.
3. for +/- formant changes, malevoice to femalevoice,
ie, Darth Vader thru to Chipmunk... (Roland VP6000)

make pitch bends also just bpm bend-ible and all of this without audible dsp artefacts. thanx

alrighty...
back in the dark old days of the last century,
few men would have considered
the denon dn-2500f key adjust & control...
..hello.... is there anyone still with me?, over

this..., a message transmited from what you would
now consider the prehistoric past...

why would u want a formant changer? that would be extremely difficult and processor intensive, they have a hard enough time detecting formants for speech processing

i can not believe this isn't in yet.. rubbish!

2 Options for Key Adjust are coming...

* Key Lock (Master Tempo)
- FREE update included in the 1.7 beta.
- It is a basic key lock with limited range.

* Pitch 'n Time
- PAID update.
- The best control for pitch and tempo on the market.
- The reason for the delay is that it is still in the design phase and the latency is to high.

I'm really glad to hear that there will be key lock/master tempo functionality available for free in the 1.7 update. I don't mind paying extra for more wild control of pitch & tempo, but I think it's important that Serato included some free functionality to stay competitive with other products like FS2... I can't wait to check out 1.7!

Awww c'mon! Let that sucker out of the stable already... Let me take it for a quick beta spin... :) I swear I will put it throught its passes! Some of us have some extra CPU and may be able to take advantage of it!

pleeeeeeease!

Master Tempo and subfolders/subcrates for 2006! Not 2007! lol

Gimme gimme gimme!

Ra Ra Ra

I've got one seemingly elusive question about the future Pitch n' Time plug-in that I've not yet found an answer to on the forums. I have searched, but apparently not enough (and yes, if the answer exists please correct me and point me to it if possible, thanks in advance and apologies for any confusion/inconvenience).

To preface and focus the question, my non-user understanding of the stand-alone version of Pitch n' Time is that it is, essentially, a highly advanced and high-quality pitch/tempo-shifting tool; currently primarily used in-studio for pitch-mastering of pre-recorded audio. (Again, set me straight if I'm nowhere close.)

If this is the case, I'm assuming that in its current incarnation Pitch n' Time is not often utilized on multiple channels in a live application? (Perhaps you see where I'm going with this.)

I've assumed thus far in reading about the future Pitch n' Time plug-in for SSL, that it was surely intended for live use; so I have no question that, when released, it will be up to that task (especially with such stringent testing of CPU draw and/or latency being reported as of late on these boards - good to hear, and consistently "perfectionist" of the Serato Team).


Though it may be "implied" throughout the forums, my specific question is the following:

Under the demands of a 2-channel live application such as DJ-ing with SSL, is the Pitch n' Time plugin intended to be capable of pitch/tempo-shifting the two live SSL channels at once; with full on-the-fly pitch control capabiltities for both the SSL "left-deck" and "right-deck" at the same time?

With the amount of information distributed throughout these forums I know this question may seem somewhat inane; but please understand, so many of us have been in search of a true, live pitch device for so long without positive result that we've been forced to incorporate such questioning in general.

I, for example, have attempted to use effects processors manufactured by Lexicon, Alesis, TC Electronic, DigiTech, and others in live DJing applications to achieve exactly what Pitch n' Time is purporting to attempt as a plug-in ...all, of course, without satisfactory success.

If this plug-in works to achieve what others have thus far failed, it truly will be revolutionary - at the very least for me.

maybe we will be looking at an add on piece of hardware to number crunch the data needed...... express card slot plug in box that handles pitch and time plus effects (delay, flange, etc...)

Something similar to this perhaps

www.macmusic.org

Been a couple days since I posted my question.

Thought I'd bump this to the top again.

How is this coming?

Sam, hit us up with the update man. Seeing this implemented would be sweet!
Realistically, will it even be addressed with the current SSL hardware?

Ten years later... We're almost there :)

+1 we're there

Love that the OP had 'just got V1.1'
Although I guess, if you go off version numbers...we're only on 1.6 when we got PnT :)

*And yes, I'm aware it's 1.6 of completely different software.

+1000 Please make this available to other controllers other than the Denon MCx8000. Another option is to release the MIDI mapping info so we can map the controller ourselves.

Hey Chino

I agree this is a great idea, but it's probably better to add your thoughts in this other thread: serato.com where people are talking about Pitch Play.

This thread here is a very old one about just bringing Pitch 'n Time functionality to our DJ software (which has been done now :).

Cheers!