My fav DJ (me) still uses Scratch Live. :)

hahaha

I think it's funny that SSL has been holding down the number 1 DVS slot for so long and as soon as some other company finally makes something decent, all these cats wanna jump ship like Serato isn't gonna come back with something strong... and you know their reputation for stability and reliability. They have been pound for pound better than anyone in the past at this. Do you really think they are just gonna stop making it better?

It's gonna take more than a one hit wonder to make me go anywhere. Serato has had a long standing rep as the best for a reason. All these other companies have been chasing Serato for years... Serato hasn't been chasing anybody.

So because somebody else uses it I gotta use it?

I'm no follow fashion.

This thread had potential and then BIGWIZ had to ruin it with logic.

The whole reason for this is that with DJ Jazzy Jeff being in 99.9% of the DJs on this forum top 5 DJs lol i thought everybody would find this interesting to see him using it. I don't know if he's fully switched over, he might just be testing it out since he was looking at the new pioneer mixer with TSD built in.

What was I supposed to see at the 3:14 mark on his screen?

i will gladly switch from reg class to first class but no switching my dvs because jazzy has

nice Rhyme

hahaha

doesn't jazzy jeff run everything in absolute mode anyway? It's kinda funny that people would use this as a barometer to switch when someone like Jazzy Jeff uses like less than 10% of the programs features to begin with.

I definitely want to try out traktor but at the same time, i've spent so much time learning the ins and out of serato that it almost seems pointless to switch for me...

but SSL has always been the 1st class spot... they have never been coach.


Also, not saying that this is definitely the case with Jeff (although it could be) a lot of "sponsored" guys go where the money is weather the product is better or not... If Dj "X" uses SSL and does not get paid to use it but feels it's the best product out there then Company "B" comes along and says Hey, we'll pay you to use out product and say it's great.... a lot of guys will take that offer because the money means more to them than their integrity or what their word and opinion is worth. I've seen several DJ's do this. I'm sure you have seen guys who endorse certain things and say they are great but use something else when they are really playing. I know I've seen it a lot with needles, mixers, DVS systems etc...

BITE YOUR TONGUE!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Sometimes y'all be makin' sh*t up....

really some of you guys need a life. go try traktor and quit posting nonesense.
serato indeed will take care of us soon. DONT JUMP BACK

Serato can stay the same for the next 10 yrs Im not goin anywhere.If it aint broke why fix it.

This is a little misleading. SSL only holds the #1 slot in the USA. Traktor is #1 in a lot of other countries throughout the world. It's not like Traktor just happened overnight either. They have been making a great product for awhile.

I never said Traktor didn't make a great product. I think it's pretty good... I just don't think it's ever been AS good as SSL.
I think it's really funny how long time SSL users want to jump ship because they feel the new version of Traktor has more features or may be better when they have liked SSL better for so long like Serato is not gonna come out with their update. It's like watching a chess match and you are routing for one guy because for half the match he's been dominating (even though the other guy is doing well) and then all of the sudden the losing guy makes a really good move and you switch your allegiance to him like the guy who has been winning all along is not gonna make another move. I feel you should watch the game play out a bit longer before just jumping.

If over the life of both platforms You've felt like SSL was better out of how ever many updates and now Traktor has released 1 version you think is finally stronger I think it's a silly idea to switch... it's like SSL is up by 10 so it's 10 to 0 and Traktor scores 1 point and you're like OH MAN, I'm switching now! hahaha

Just seems a bit too early in MY opinion. (especially these guys basing their choice on watching Craze do HIS thing)

Again... it's my opinion and it's not to take anything away from Traktor.... but I'm not gonna take anything away from SSL either just because something else is closer to their level now... and I feel like a lot of people are doing that... you not giving SSL the credit it's earned and I'm pretty confident will continue to hold on to.

Its like Dj Revolution when he was on Torq, he was still dope even though Torq is a piece of shit. Traktor though seems to be different. Jeff is my favorite dj, but Scratch Live still works fine for me and already has all the features I need. Only way I'd jump ship is if SSL was no longer supported.

i have both programs, TBH i loved using traktor, but SSL has everything I want now. MIDI, solid DVS on CD or Vinyl, video and the bridge

But Traktor has never really been behind. Feature-wise they have been way ahead of SSL for awhile. Scratchlive's main selling points have been stability which, IMHO, is about equal. If anything SSL has gotten less stable with the latest releases. Another selling point was colored waveforms...traktor now has them. The only thing I would say that SSL is winning on is the library management. Traktor has SSL beat by a mile as far as effects, midi implementation and vinyl control.

Traktor is buzzing right now because they are marketing to the Hip Hop market. They have already dominated the EDM market for awhile.

Am I using Traktor or plan on jumping ship...no probably not. I already invested too much money and time at this point to switch everything for features I may or may not use. If I were just starting out or looking to upgrade from an SL-1 then the decision would be a lot harder.

I agree on a lot of points in favor of SSL, but one thing SSL lacks is outside vendor support. SSL has really poor support of MIDI devices.

If SSL were to come out with huge open support of MIDI interfaces including ones that take over the control record, then they'd be able to catch up to where Traktor is at.

DVS choice is a like queuing at a bank. You stand in one line, but the other moves quicker. So you jump to that line, only to find that the queue you were in starts to move quicker. But do you jump back to the original line or stay put?

Looks like its made up of square meter panels, assembled and hung. They can do some cool things with that stuff but you are probably gonna need a CNC machine to carve it.

Ooops. Wrong thread.

I wish there was an Open Dvs Standard - so I could switch between major dvs platforms without switching my hardware...Using ssl with the audio 10 or using tracktor with the sl3 - with whatever dvs brand of vinyl I prefer..

ok so he barely uses some cue points like twice in that set. - dude that routine is ridiculous - but it has nothing to do with serato and everything to do with his skill as a DJ - I'm sure he used to bust that routine in his sleep on vinyl.

what i'm saying is that someone like jazzy jeff isn't exactly pushing any boundaries when it comes to using the technology - what he's doing is tried and true hip hop technique.

So why worry about what DVS he decides to use?

dj am od'd on drugs why isn't the entire dj population 6 feet under?

p.s. Jazzy Jeff is a CELEBRITY dj which means more than likely (not saying either way) there is a chance he is collecting a check or getting free shit to use damn near anything.

end thread

@ TS (thread starter)


so if jazzy jumps off a bridge you will to ?

I was really tempted to switch until I downloaded the demo version of traktor. I did have a glance at the sampledeck, Which I thought was amazing and some of the efx was really good. But I thought it was too complicated. Setup menu was a cluster comparede to Serato.
I already got the bridge, So I can already sync loops and trigger clips, I can't justify jumping on the tech race and spend a shitload of money when I already have a good DVS.

I'm sure Serato wish he was jumping ON a Bridge instead. Given Jazzy Jeff's previous gushing about Ableton Live, his decision surprises me a little.

But the point is that you said he was using it in Absolute Mode, and then based your following comments and conclusions on WHY NOT to follow Jazzy's DVS preference because of an assumed theory.

The question is where do we draw the line. Is he supposed to be using a BUNCH of cue points and button pushing techniques? Or embrace the technology, but not so much in a Microwave Fashion, (i.e. hitting a button to emulate backspins), but moreso in a way that shows you've mastered the technology, but want to still show pure skill.

The TRUTH of the matter is that Jeff follows whatever technology MAKES THE MOST SENSE...and it's possible that he could find a better technology than Serato.

Hey, he's still listed as a DJ on Serato's webpage as an avid supporter and user of Serato.

Who's to say he's not listed as an avid supporter and user of an alternate DVS?

I don't see him tying himself down to a particular brand, and if you think about it, why should he?

A company like Serato, I'm sure is glad to have him "support" their product, BUT you also realize the star power Jazzy has, and influence over DJ's. For example, when Jazzy initially started using Serato, he WAS using Absolute Mode, and I was like, "Nah, that software is slowing him down", so I didn't buy it for a long time...

Then, appeared vids of him getting loose via Relative Mode, and I was like, "OK, if it's good enough for HIM, then it's good enough for me"...

That's not just "Sheep" blindly following, but making an informed decision before spending a lot of loot.

I have not seen Craze use Traktor in such a way that would make me want to test it out, BUT Jazzy MAY come up with something, and well hey....

Let's just say, it should increase the level of competiion between companies, and in the end, the DJ wins.

I don't get it.

Who said he "Officially" switched?

Jeff twittered something a little while ago about switching.

If that's TRUE, then I'm just "INTRIGUED" as to why....

if it works for him then cool... SSL still works for me. Traktor has def caught my attention, but not because of who uses it...because of the features it offers. not enough to switch, but enough to check it out. If Carlos Santana started pimping Fender, that doesn't mean I'm gonna sell all my Paul Reed Smith guitars and go out and buy a bunch of Strats...

LOL

It looked like serato to me, but using the SL3 with more decks.

Having used both (traktor 1st, SSL now) I can tell you that in my opinion Serato edges Traktor out in several areas that matter the most. Traktor features are Light Years ahead of SSL, but most of them are great to play with, not that useful in the wild. I loved the ability to link several fx together and map them all to one button. But, you can't use the same effect every transition. I liked being able to name my cue points. But, I GLADLY traded that for the FAR SUPERIOR library management of SSL. At the time I used it, the BPM detection for anything other than 4/4 house, was completely horrible...and don't get me started on beat-gridding. Thats something the devil made. And you can't loop without setting beat-grids.

Also, when I was using Traktor it was not as stable as I liked. The pitch would randomly change even when in vinyl mode. It never fully crashed on me, but it would glitch like you'd never believe, on a new Macbook Pro. I think the features that SSL has were directly tied to a DJs needs, rather than cutting edge stuff. Generally, the layout and feature set for SSL are far more useful than the "extras" in Traktor. Also, the tweaking and configuration for Traktor requires a serious time investment and has a learning curve. Finally, they (Native Instruments) must spend their entire budget on R/D & marketing, because their customer support is awful.

These are just my two cents. I think that competition is healthy in any business, especially in software. I'm just not switching unless SSL does something wrong. You know, if it ain't broke...

Great analogy.




Hmmmm... it doe$ make you wonder doe$n't it.
;)

+1

He was pretty heavy on the Bridge early on...

Everybody is missing the OBVIOUS REASON for his (possible) switch - he loves Pioneer Mixers - that new Traktor Pioneer Mixer ...

www.pioneerelectronics.com

They probably gave it to him to $ee what it can do in his hand$...

I admit all these big time DJ's jumping over to Traktor is really selling me on it.

Serato has dropped the ball on The Bridge. Over a year ago Serato had Jazzy Jeff, A Trak, and Enferno hype up The Bridge before release. Now Jazzy Jeff is on Traktor and I have yet to see Atrak or Enferno use it. Atrak is still using a Pioneer despite the Sixty Eight release. The Bridge and Sixty Eight seem to be custom made for Enferno and his live remixing but he hasn't used it.

Big Wiz, Eskei83, and Blakely have made cool videos showcasing the capabilities of Serato/The Bridge/Sixty Eight but to no disrespect they dont sell me on Serato as much as Craze, Qbert, and Shiftee.

Also why has Serato hid Artists/Endorsee's on their homepage? I had to Google to find it. Too many Serato DJ's jumping over to Traktor?? RIght now Serato's only defense against Traktor is Serato's track record as The Standard DVS. But I'm hoping this competition is making Serato keep up. They can at least showcase their big endorsee's more.

Looks like the old Pioneer mixer & audio 8 box but I bet they gave him Traktor to prep him for using that new mixer

Watchwww.youtube.com

the thing you have to take into consideration isnt IF SL will be updating with some new hottness but if what they update with is for you, i love SL but it seems to me that alot of what theyve been doing dosent work for me in practical situations, theyve been putting out controllers for itch (not for me), the bridge (awsome but not for me), high end club install mixers (not for me), new drivers (not for me).

Im not downplaying any of those features or equipment because they are awsome but im hoping SL gets back to ground level basics with the new updates

Looks like LTJ Bukem is using Traktor on and off but most of the boys are using SSL :)

Still waiting on that AUTOMIX huh Bezzle.... (Soon, baby Soon - LOL)

This seems like Vestax vs Rane in the early 200's. Vestax had the mixer market on lock but dropped the ball when they never updated their faders and concentrated of useless features like quadraphonics.

you say that as a joke but just think how much more time and creativity ill be able to produce with auto mix, while my computers DJing i could go home and paint, work on my screenplay or standup comedey routine, and just really be creative

i feel like the public perception (among the dj community) that has been on SL may be curious about traktor's capabilities when it comes to the EFX and the midi mapping. When you have those 2 aspects working together it makes for an interesting mix of technology. I just saw this and i see him trying to find ways to make the dvs an instrument with it's know how Watchwww.youtube.com


The marketing aspect on NI part is very good. People watch this videos and they feel like they can pull off the same sound and technics as the folks making the video.They sale you on the dream of the possibilities. Good for them. We all use what we use because oof our own reasons. There are folks that are easily persuaded because of videos like the one i posted and there are folks that see those videos and say " i dont need all that bullshit"

It all depends on what you are looking for, but at the end of the day it's your money and you can do whatever you like with it.

you do know N.I pays them to use there product right. just like dj hero did. so you go switch to that cuz jaz used that to. lol

He's funny but he's no Konix (that was pretty cool demo)

My point is that every time I've seen jazz play - and every video if him- he's used to few of the features that I thought he was on absolute mode. For a program that is trying to sell itself as being far more advanced than serato and offering more features, someone who barely uses even the most basic of dvs features is hardly a shining endorsement for the program.

It's like the qbert video where tractor is all touting the fact that qbert is all about using tractor and he's there cutting it up on vinyl...

So basically serato/rane needs to step it up............
either way whatever you decide its your choice.

i wander who jazzy jeff saw using traktor that made him want to change...whos jazzy keff trying to be like

I believe it was DJ George Washington, his cousin DJ Grant, and their lil brother DJ Andrew Jackson.

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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFL.... Dont forget Uncle Ben too

you know what art. Your comment about konox brings us to another issue. djtechtools.com is an on line dj store that is sooooooo traktor driven it's not even funny. That Ean Golden and his midi fighter midi controllers along side traktor make that site unique. Is there a site like djtechtools that has a huge foucus on SL? We may have Konix (best in the biz) but he has no site.

Not that I'll turn skratchworx into a biased site one way or another, but if Konix or anyone else for that matter wants a place to publish SSL or ITCH based material, I'm happy to post useful articles and tutorials.

Gizmo..... That would be cool. I check your site everyday and i also check djtechtools. Both are different but very useful. I do like the way that djtechtools has tutorials and walk you on how to get the settings right on traktor. People see this demos and it makes then buy traktor and traktor oriented dj gear. Great biz. We SL users need something like djtechtools to show case SL in a better manner. Gizmos invite is a golden opportunity

I dont check DJtechtools anymore because of what you just said. It seems to be less and less of a DJ Blog and more and more of a product placement site.

There are good articles in there sometimes. I'm not mad at anyone making money. We all got bills, We need a Golden Eagle but in the realm of SL.

Serato needs to step up for what? The reality is people need to step up to whats works best for them, thats it. Jazzy was in that video because of pioneer, not traktor. It just so happens that its a traktor based mixer. As you know Jazzy owns a 57 and a 909, plus a ton of other mixers Im sure. He said it himself in many interviews, he'll try anything new and if he likes it, he'll use it. Who knows, maybe he'll really like the new pioneer mixer with traktor, maybe he wont. Hes getting it for free, wouldnt you test it out?

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla...

I dont think it's product placement at all, since they accept user submitted articles too. It just happens that Ean (who runs the site) and most of the users there are traktor based. If you have something to share about SL then submit it and they'll post it as long as it meets their quality guidelines

Watchwww.youtube.com


I would love to see tutorials on how to BUT for SL. If someone has a cool trick that can be shared in SL then share because that helps everyone jump on the platform because THEY want to do the same as the video

Here is Jazzy using a RANE mixer and Ableton. Do you see him using it live, NO.

Watchwww.youtube.com

You guys actually mix? I put one song on the whole night. Between the loops and samples and fx, my creativity gets me through the night now that i dont have to beatmatch.

As the thread starter and just for the record I didn't literally mean switching over it was more of a sarcastic comment and the whole point is that we all know Jazzy and I thought it was interesting that he was using Traktor mostly because the first time I watched it I didn't even notice he was because I wasn't paying attention to his screen. I'm still using SSL I did download the demo and didn't there would be too much difference in the two (as far as features I use) besides maybe the effects and the internal mixer.

^^^Thank You For Not Smoking...
great film.

You guys also realize that whenever you see Jazzy Jeff playing, HE'S PLAYING FOR A CROWD...not demo'ing a product. I wouldn't expect him to be doing any next level *ish at the DO OVER....right?

But when you see Craze and QBert, they're DEMO-ING the products to OTHER DJ's.

That's a big difference, so you have to compare apples to apples. (No Sixxx).

Actually, what have we seen Jazzy actually Demo-ing for us DJ's?

Ok, that answers that question...

So the question is...

Is The Bridge and Abelton whatever..simply hype?

Is that really able to be used in a real world setting?

Is that comparable to Traktor, or are those apples and oranges (:D).

Also, as far as the 68 is concerned, were the wrong things focused on when creating it?

as of now, the bridge is 90% hype I think, it has potential, but so did Len Bias and we know how that ended



I'm sure someone will get creative with it, althought it might require "button pushing" that so many of you hate.



I havent used the 68, but it's too expensive, so I probably will never use it since I don't play any big clubs

The bridge isn't anywhere near what i could be - Ableton has so many incredible live performance features and Bridge right now is barely scratching the surface.



yea, but more in a "performance DJ" type setting, I highly doubt you'll see it used in average party-rocking club settings. Maybe for EDM DJs - but even then it's more of a performance style tool for showcase sets rather than working DJs popping off a standard club crowd.



right now it does many things traktor cannot outside of the live-looping. This is a feature in ableton that just needs to get integrated into the Bridge. The live looping in traktor looks amazing giving more of a "on the fly" style to your sets.

For an example of what ableton can do outside of just launching pre-prepared clips, check out Enferno or someone like Lamont: Watchwww.youtube.com



I think the price was ultimately the biggest problem with the 68. Trying to break into the 4-channel install market where the Pioneer DJM800 just completely dominates at a price point almost double what the 800 is going for, the 68 just didn't stand a chance. Even with the cost of a box, most clubs had already had an install SL1 or SL3 so the added bonus of a dual USB mixer probably didn't appeal to most cheapskate owners (and there are a lot of em).

Well, I've shown and proven that you can send a signal from the 68 to Ableton, process it there and send it back through the Bridge.... no reason you can't add the LIVE LOOPER to your audio channel and loop something and run it back to your Bridge audio channel.
So.... you can do that.

People just need to think a little harder instead of waiting around for everybody else to show them how to be creative.

Well - this is why tracktor is shinning - they and their peeps are putting out alot of instructional vids which draws in potential customers..

Of course you can. Just like you can send serato to another computer running ableton and loop that way along with many other workarounds. I'm talking about full internal U
I integration with abletons' powerful loop engine without having to open a separate instance of ableton.

I'm also talking about full internal integration... I don't need more than 1 computer or more than one instance of Ableton or more than 1 USB

I think he did jump of "the bridge" Last promo I saw him in he said he was going to do big things with the bridge... "Yawn"
I Pretty much dont take anything to heart on what he is using or going to use.


The problem is the learning curve on ableton hasnt really caught up with some of us that intend to use it live. If you ask me... The curve alone is apples to oranges.

I've been toying with traktor pro 2 all week, gotta say, love it for trying mixes out in the studio etc.., however it still has archaic library management with crappy & extremely limited playlists - this for me is priority number 1 in a professional dj app, and serato wins hands down here. also there is the trust issue with NI, do I trust NI to make stable software and help me at developer level resolve issues? no is the answer!

I know, but you still need to have ableton open in the background - i'm talking full UI integration having the full features of abelton within Serato and not having to open ableton at all...

My biggest issue with the bridge is that you can't load tunes into the bridge via Serato library. I think this runis a lot. I don't get that on the fly mixing feeling. As I have to load my tracks beforehand, like a already planned set, or use alt tab and deal with Ableton library to load new songs.
Another two reasons I don't think the bridge hasn't cought on is the steep learning curve and the extra cost for ableton. Took me a while before I learned the wapring and setup in ableton.
In my opinion you also need a apc 20 or apc 40 to take full advantage of the bridge.

That being said. I think that the bridge has a lot of potential. But I think NI did a smarter approach to it than Serato did. I would rather like to se a sampledeck or sync in sampleplayer than the bridge in Serato.

I dont care if Jazzy takes a crap on the serato logo. Im not switching cause a great DJ is using something else. I remember when I was the only DJ using torq and I got hell for it all the time but I used it until I felt I needed something better. I purchased serato and traktor and I feel Serato gives me the best experience when Im on the decks. Traktor was just to busy for me. Serato is easy to use its almost identical to using records.

Call me old school but when it comes to DJing my track selection is what makes me a good DJ not my software

word this is the truth

This here ^^^! Yo, I can't front... Occassionally, I get in the promotional business, ( I hate it), and will try to sell you air if someone is buying. It's all about generating a buzz, and that is EXACTLY what Traktor is doing.

Now the bulk of you know that it took a LONG TIME for me to even GET on Serato, and I MAY NEVER switch, cuz I have a GRIP of money "invested" in it...

But just all the "Talk" of Traktor is enough to peak my interest to just "see" what everyone is talking about....and you know I don't use anything more than cue points and looping.

Yeah, everyone knows Serato is the "Standard" DVS, but they should probably get on the promotion band wagon with some really good vids JUST to have "Current" answers when a potential new customer comes along....

Having a bunch of Whitelabel tracks may keep older Serato heads around due to the inability to play the tracks correctly outside of the hardware/software solution...

But that does NOTHING to stop new heads...

Just sayin....

I just had a friend call me up and was asking me about this Serato or Traktor debate and which one to get. He was impressed with the Craze video like anyone who appreciates the art...but my response was "you remember when we were kids and on commercials they had all kinds of fog and lasers and S#@! with the toys, but you get it home and its nothing but the toy and the plastic it comes in". For me all these promo videos are the same way...they get great DJs who do what THEY do regardless of the DVS or format and you have to remember that. Most of the videos out (not counting Konix or BigWiz) are not intended to instruct they are designed to impress. They hit you with the bells and whistles and then out comes the wallet. I think some people have already addressed this and stated you have to look at what your individual needs are and not just what the company is trying to sell you on.....and they ARE trying to sell you on something.
When I first was looking into these kind of systems Final Scratch 2 had just come out and I hadn't really heard of Serato before, but I was familiar with Rane....and so I did my research. Turned out I took a chance and hit the jackpot. I think of all the things Serato has added over the years while always being a system that worked for me and I could rely on it. No charge for updates and no plans to change that from what I know.
So what...Traktor comes out with all kinds of new features in one update and Finally seems to have a product that works, and some Big name dj's who get paid to endorse are doing what they get paid to do...endorse. I would imagine that as time goes on Serato can and will develop new things that us users ask them for as they have done in the past. Now of course this opens the debate to why didn't they do this or that because a few people on the forum complained or requested it, but at some point in life we all have to realize the world doesn't revolve around any ONE of us...be patient, and feel good that at least Serato is a company that actively engages their customers and really takes our input into consideration.
I remember when this forum had much less sarcasm and attitude....in fact I would say that more than anything else it was the fact that I could come here and type in a question about the system and get an answer that sold me on Serato. I couldn't find any info on Final Scratch that was helpful or led me to believe the users were happy with the product.
To conclude....when I talked with my friend who was looking to buy....we discussed if he would actually use any of those features Craze was using...and you know what...he said he probably wouldn't. I told him the best thing about Serato is that I turned it on and for about 30 seconds I stood there drooling at the screen....and then the best thing happened...I forgot I was even using it. I don't want to be bogged down with a program and features that do everything but tie my shoes. I want something that works everytime and doesn't get in my way of doing what I want to do which is play records. Conversation over....another Sl-3 SOLD....

PS...my very first post from July 2005 ....havn't looked back since!
Hello.First of all let me say how impressed I have been by the quality and content of this forum. I have been going crazy doing searches for the past couple of days and getting EVERY little question I could possibly have..ANSWERED! I've been attempting to decide between FS2 and of course SSL.....and obviously I've made my choice cause you're reading this =). I'll be getting my SSL in the next week or two, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone in advance for helping me out more than you know. I've always been a little technology shy, but knowing that there is a place to get questions answered and advice from other users made the difference for me. See you all very soon.
Take care- Jason Magin

^^^ longest post ever ^^^

not even close

ahhh...did I violate some forum rule I don't know about or just someone's aversion to reading? and by the way...nobody makes anyone read things here...problem with what I am writing...MOVE ON...I certainly have to ignore a lot of nonsense on this board and nothing I had to say was nonsensical.

cool story

Reason why jazzy jumped ship is simple.. It`s because you can do stuff with traktor that you simply can not do with Scratch Live no matter how technically skilled dj you are.

like what? name a few of these things.

I think a lot of people forget a HUGE part of the Bridge is not just playing LIVE sessions in SSL but going from SSL to Ableton. Using the "Mix Tape" feature. Being able to record your mixes and have all the tracks on their own channel with pre fader audio and all your fader movements automated along with eq's and all.
Jeff and many others could be using this all the time and you wouldn't know. It's not the look-at-me-I'm-on-stage-using-it-in-front-of-you feature but it is something people have been wanting to be able to do even before digital vinyl systems existed.

+1
I never use the bridge for a live situation, but the mixtape feature alone makes it AWESOME in my book.

Um

Again, he hasnt jumped ship. That was a interview with Pioneer. Pioneer gave him the new mixer to test out. When you see him using it live, then you can say that.

So, this Watchwww.youtube.com was an interview?
Funny, it didn't even mention Pioneer on the flyer they show at the start of the video for interview. Looks a lot more like a party where he is using a Pio mixer and Traktor

Ok, I thought it was a repost of these vids below. I didnt even look at that vid till now. At the end of the first vid he talks about the new mixer-

blip.tv
blip.tv

So hes obviously getting used to it now. Its only a matter of time before you see him with the new pioneer mixer.

I'm the owner of the video (and i was there obviously).
I've noticed he was using a lot of cue points (the novation controllers on his turntables) and i also noticed a traktor kontrol x1 on the right side (you don't see it in my video but i got it on photo).
He also used the traktor effects during the set.

the reason why he is on traktor is because he scratches alot, and if u know your shit traktor has better algorithms for scratching.

u cant do slow scratches like drags on serato, traktor on the other hand is more responsive.

end of argument.

yes, you can do slow scratches on SSL
resume argument

i think a better question for this senario is how many of these features will JEFF be using, lets face it jeffs an old school hip hop scratch type DJ, i dout your going to be seeing him layering 15 samples with 3 layers of variable effects over each of them any time soon

you can't do super slow drags.
and its not as responsive compared to traktor.

sure you can and yes it is

and regardless... Jeff is not THAT technical of a scratcher that it would matter any way... he's not on some Q-Bert type advanced scratching.... he does regular party type scratching.
Next

Stop being a hater because he is using another dvs
it doesn't matter what you use anyway.
its a matter of skill and personal preference
im just telling people on this board what Jeff has told me and why he prefers traktor now. oh btw it was Q bert that told put him on Traktor.


i dunno what you mean by regular party type scratching.
but to me jeff is one of the illest scratch/party dj's around.

Peace.

hahahaha... aint no hate towards Jeff. I got nothing but love and respect for Jeff. He's a great guy and a great DJ. I'm just saying... he is more of a party scratcher than a turntablist scratcher and if you don't know what I mean by that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a drag on Traktor vs SSL anyway. How much do you really know about the art of skratching? Check out Q-Berts Scratchlopedia Breaktannica DVD.... do you see Jeff doing this kind of scratching.... as an advanced instrument? No. He does the kind of scratching that works for party's and he is amazing at it but there is a BIG difference. Just like there is a HUGE difference between playing chopsticks on a piano and calling yourself a pianist.

Of course Q told Jeff to switch... Q has a deal with Traktor hahaha he even has his own special traktor vinyl c'mon mr obvious.

^^^Highly doubt that....

i tell you one thing, if i was traktor id be super pissed at qbert. Dudes in a traktor promo vid supposedly showcasing how great you can scratch on traktor, then basically flips the record over to the vinyl side for 70% of the vid.

First of the most obvious is the sample deck and how you can loop record in Traktor on the fly.

Traktor also got a better effect engine with more sounds.

Also this?
Watchwww.youtube.com

As this series of tutorials progress I bet we´ll see more things you can´t do with Serato that are possible in Traktor.

the 5 cuepoint limit in Serato.

Except for the loop recorder these are small things, that I don´t care too much for,

But if I where a professional like Jazzy the man here, I would definitely test my boundaries not gettingt stuck in old technology while rest of the gang (qbert, craze and sheftee) does awsome new stuff and take it to the next level with new technology.

If I test traktor more I´m sure I can name a few other features.

That being said. I´m sure Serato is working their ass of right now to improve and catch up in these areas. I decided not to jump ship. Sometimes we forget all about songselection, and focus too much on the technical aspect of djing. The crowd
don´t care to much for that anyway.

Funny how this marketing works. People buy these things thinking they'll be as creative as Craze or Jazzy Jeff. The reality is the majority of people will still sound the same. Case in point I know a gang of peeps who bought a 57sl and dont use any of the functions on the mixer, effects, cue points, video.. nothing. They basically bought a mixer with serato built in just because its supposed to be better.

Well I can set a loop and drag it to the SP-6 and create a seamless loop and continue on doing that and stacking the SP-6 slots with loops... I can also do this with the bridge but I get your point with this one... it's probably integrated a bit better there (for now) But my point is it's not like I can't do something very similar with SSL.

% cue points but 9 loop slots. I can set a loop on what I'd cue and trigger it like a cue giving me the ability to trigger 14 "cues" pls the auto cue piint in every track makes 15 "points" I can trigger on any given track.

With the DJ FX in SSL, I can create as many diff effects as I want and customize how they work.

So, while some of this may be implemented a bit better in Tracktor (and may not be depending on you own opinion) it's not like it's doing anything I can't do or get close enough to to make it leaps beyond what SSL has already been able to do.

Now, what about the things SSL can do better than Tracktor... Like better Library management which is a feature EVERYBODY will use on ANY platform weather they use loops, cuse, fx etc... or not. Other things like a long track record of proven stability and great support? Again.... things that matter weather you use the bells and whistles or not. I think SSL has what REALLY matters on lock and aren't that close behind on the bells and whistles.... plus... you have to wait for Serato to make their move now.

"5" not % hahaha

That sounds hard. On traktor, this is done for me so i can be more creative. Last week while spinning for a crowd of 200, i made steak and eggs in the booth because i didnt have to worry about beatmatching so my creative, and steak juices were flowing.

this is an endorsement issue. think about how many people technics has had endorse 1200s over the last 20 years(or ever). ssl is already a know entity, why would they keep paying people and putting out adverts when its a relatively small company. cost/benefit analysis will tell you its not worth the money in this economy.

that's the same thing moxie said during the great depression.... We're #1 in our market and sugar is expensive in this economy. We'll cut costs by cutting down on advertising... Coca-Cola kept spending money on ads. which one is still around today?

hahahaha
video please.

But seriously... it's not that hard to make and/or tweak an effect in SSL and while Tracktor may have more initial effects built in... can you actually stack several effects and how the parameters of each react and save as many different effects as you like and share them with other people?

Traktor vs SSL

Traktor

You
Me Last week while spinning for a crowd of 200, I was able to actually spin in the booth because I didn't have to stay home and deal with the crappy beat girding issues and figuring out the archaic library system or worry about the glitching problems.

=)

It's about who pays him more.

No

I doubt it, like he says, he'll use what he likes. He really liked the 909 over all other mixers, but he choose serato as his main DVS. The bridge isnt the biggest deal for him if you watch that video. Ableton live though is big on the recording tip. Alot of Djs/producers are switching over. Im looking to buy ableton for my next purchase for recording.

i'm not saying its right, ive seen those craze videos posted by about 100 people on facebook(a lot that aren't dj's), but at this point, on the heels of a mega 68 flop and the emergence of traktor, if i was the marketing dept. of a small company with a limited budget, i would have to make and entirely new approach with a new product and endorsers. we act like its just traktor, but pioneer made a huge comeback with their new line of cd players(and soon to be mixers), with the ability to use flash drives and no computer needed. if you dont know whats going on behind the scenes, financially, its hard to comment on what a company is doing marketing wise.

Tracktor is winning!!!

So when I jump ship, which NY user wants to come pick up some free ssl control vinyl :)

All they need to do is to implement sync in the sampleplayer to close this gap. I can´t wrap my head around why it hasn´t happend already. They got beatgrids, lets get that sync and I will promise to shut up for a while.

It's also been shown that the delay on the 68 and the 57 can be used to create and layer loops.... another workaround for this kind of thing. But again... I feel you on wanting a better way to do it... just saying... if you REALLY want to do this with SSL, it can be done in a few diff ways. I would love to see a dedicated (powerful, feature packed) loop/phrase sampler in SSL.

what serato needs in my opinion is smarter midi mapping abilities, the simplicity is cool for some but I dont like being limited so much.

sure serato has fx, and they can be customized, but when it's such a hassle to select and use them what's the point?

I'on know man....Didn't Qbert show how SSL and Traktor fare against each other when doing real slow drags?

And Traktor won?

Man, you KNOW that's a weak comeback...

I expected more from you on that Wiz.

WTF? You're good at pulling stuff up in writing...stop playin with the watery rebuttals.

He means Jeff is like me...

No crabs, twiddles, quadruple click flares, or any of the newfangled fader based tomfoolery...

Do you SMELL what the Rock is cookin' up in dis piece?

+100

BigWiz and all the other TechMates should make a site and community like DJ Tech Tools to really showcase and teach how to use Serato and The Bridge. I think Ean Golden deserves the most credit for cultivating the Traktors now strong following. Craze and Shiftee can make even Final Scratch 1 look like the next best thing. But Ean Golden has openly shared all his knowledge for the everyday local DJ to learn next level DJ techniques and controllerism. He has really become the Qbert equivalent for next level DJing and controllerism and Traktor just happens to be his software of choice. So all his followers choose Traktor because they want to practice all the techniques he teaches.

that demo was supposed to show off the limited edition battle vinyl. We all know that CV will NEVER be as accurate as actual vinyl.

Wow I started an uproar with this thread all I was doing was pointing out my fav DJ using a different DVS at party for real guys damn lol

In that video, Q was using an outdated ver of SSL (which shows how uninformed he is to compare the two) AND he said SSL couldn't do stuff that it actually can do... again... not very convincing when you are making claims that every SSL user knows is false and making yourself look like you don't really know what you are talking about. It's all in some other thread on the forum. Plus Q has a deal with Traktor and he was rreally promoting that (in a subtle way) and his special Tracktor vinyl... I would expect YOU to see through suck weak misdirection type marketing.



haha... how is that weak? Jeff (as dope as he is) does not do the kind of technical scratching that is gonna show which system has the best algorithm for the truest fidelity when scratching. Q on the other hand does possess that ability but again... has a deal with Traktor so he's not gonna say SSL is better AND as someone else pointed out... he spent most of that vid scratching actual vinyl. I would say my comeback was air tight. And obviously you see what I mean.

You picked a sensitive topic. (serato vs. traktor) And you referenced Jazzy Jeff who is probably the 2nd most discussed dj on this forum behind Pauly D. This thread will last for eons!

haha nah man... it's all good. This is a good thing that we can come in here and go over the ins and outs of both of these systems... hopefully it will lead both of them in a better direction and then like someone else said, we all win

before and after any of this... Jeff, Q, Craze, Shiftee etc.... are all amazing artists with out SSL or Traktor... their chosen platforms (and weather they really feel that way of if it's paying the bills to say so) have nothing to do with it. None of them used a DVS to establish their rep. Don't get caught up in the hype.

Very true in my own opinion I know Serato pretty damn well as far as the different features (even if I don't know them all) and I downloaded the demo for T2 and it was okay but there wasn't really anything I would find myself using different than I use now with Serato as a matter there's a couple of things missing lol so SSL for me until I'm given a real reason to switch I was just surprised to see Jazzy using Traktor thus the creation of this thread I was being sarcastic in the title I don't see myself switching anytime soon.....may the discussion continue

Damn change (even if I don't know them all) to (even if I don't use them all)

To wiz.


It's ovious that you have the equipment. You have the time and you have the drive to find all the work arounds for the features that people want that traktor has. I'm not mad at that. I think folks like myself just want simplicity to pull of this workarounds. Some of us don't have a 68 or an sl4 or abelton. I guess for some of us we need to spend some more money. Eather on rane/serato or traktor. It's all about money brotha !

I'm sayin' tho...

I woudn't put anything past ANYBODY when it comes to gettin' chips...

But the point was that the "Drag" test that Qbert did was REALLLLL SLLOOOWWW, so that has absolutely NOTHING to do with "Today's Scratches"...

That's just a Quality Control test that ANYBODY can do...

I mean, dont' get me wrong, it's def not a dealbreaker for me, but to assume Jeff isn't "Technical" enough for Traktor is kinda OUT THERE DUDE....

The irony is Q repping tracktor is the same as you defending ssl - both opinions are biased..

But see, for example, JEFF was the one who convinced me I should even TRAVEL down this road...

And that may only apply to hardcore Vinyl heads who have YET to switch over...

But the point is that you can not downplay this DJ's influence on the DJ culture.

Yep, he's trying to use that Jedi Mind Trick thing that I use a lot on here...

A-trak was the one who made me switch over so if he was to jump ship I would not jump with him but I would really look at the product that he jumped to. I understand if you jumped because of Jeff from records to Dvs and now he is jumping again than yeah, pay attention!

www.djjohnnym.com

Haha - just so you know - I am gonna try hacking your server to see what else i can find on there.,

You know what?

I THOUGHT I saw somthing fishy going on today....

That wasn't me.. But if I get it I won't do anything malicious - I'll just look around..Just for educational purposes..

Hey there is even a book called the Traktor Bible you can get if you wanna learn about the software...now that's support lol..

www.djjohnnym.com

To a lot of people it is. I feel you. It has everything to do with TODAY's scratches... Today's scratches are more precise and controlled.

True, but if they are unimformed about the software they are using, they will not be credible enough to actually show it and have their input matter.. 1. Q was using an old ver of SSL at the time. 2 Do you think he had all the sliders set for optimal performance? NO... he didn't even know about, show or use the Hi-Fi Resampler. (do YOU even know about that feature?
Since you like me pulling up stuff in writing so much ;) Here you go:
******
hi-Fi ReSampLeR
This significantly reduces digital distortion at very slow or very fast record speeds, increasing the CPU load slightly. This option is off by default, the old resampler is used when switched off.
*****
Showing a comparison of the two systems and how they respond to slow scratches with out knowing, showing or using this feature nulls your whole argument.

I never said he was not right to show Traktor... I said he is not a technical SCRATCH DJ by Today's standards... if you disagree, watch Q's DVD showing all the latest (TODAY's) scratches and tell me how many of them you have EVER seen Jeff do.
C'MON SON

Not reaaly the same... I don't get paid to use SSL and don't have any special BIG WIZ vinyl. I have no alterior motives... I use it and stand behind it because I truly believe in it. If I went where the money is, I would have been repping other gear a long time ago. I don't sell my opinion and word to the highest bidder. There have been DJ's mentioned during this thread that I know personally that have at some time switched to using gear a company was paying them to use and they would say it was the best thing out there but tell you straight up on the side that it was whack. Everybody does what they gotta do but that's not me.

So one question then - Have you tried tsp2? Because you cannot really make an accurate comparision of both unless you have.

honestly, as far as playlist management, all traktor needs is to allow you to modify itunes playlists like you can in serato and it'll be fine. the duplicate/missing file search is better than serato's as is.

Not extensively but most of what I'm saying here is correcting people on what SSL can do as opposed to where they are saying it's falling short. I haven't said Trakto "can't" do anything... I'm saying "SSL can do that like this" and I've quoted other people saying things about Traktor and showing the relation to what they have stated to SSL. I have also pointed out the Q, in his comparison video does not know SSL very well... (if he did, how come he didn't even know he was using an out of date version.) and therefore his verdict on the two is not based on any real/true testing. So you're point and attempt to discredit me is what?

I believe in the gear i use because it pays my bills. I have to make sure that the gear i use is going to have my back. If i add a new piece of equipment to my collection i make sure it not going to jeopardize my ability to perform my job. Moving to a whole new DVS will be a daunting task for me. At the same time my eyes and ears are open to new technology and im always looking at things that can complement my performance.


I see wiz getting attacked because of his "Know how" of SL and all the dude is doing is pointing out technics on SL, Granted it seems more of a pain in the ass to pull them off in SL than in Traktor.

That's definitely a good attitude to have towards it and I do the same.... I check other stuff but to me, Rane and Serato are the best (IMO)

hahaha... good to know somebody else sees it. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to try and help or enlighten people. Then they want to attack you for not helping... then you try and help and get misunderstood and attacked... hahaha.... all good though. I stand by my opinion and word because they are true and not paid for. Attack all you want. I aint going no where and aint got nothing to hide.

to wiz.


To my point earlier in this discussion. People like you abd konix need a site to where you post vids and the site is very SL driven like traktor had djtechtools. We need an outlet for folks like you other than here

You are kind of discrediting yourself(no personal diss) - put it this way... If you go to a car trade show and a dude with a Honda logo on his shirt is telling you why Honda is better than Toyota -so you ask the dude " listen man have you even driven a toyota"? And he is like "no I haven't but...."
Get my point!

In some of your posts above - you said tracktor is not a good as ssl... But if you haven't tested it - your opinion is like the Q test right?

well, Giz from Skratchworx said that he'd post articles, in addition to me mentioning earlier that DJTT will post serato based articles as well. But it's up to you all to make the tutorials/videos/articles in the first place

Right... I know Konix and myself both have youtube sites but it would be cool to have one unified site that is geared towards SSL like Techtools. (which is a cool site by the way) My thing is I can't always dedicate time to doing that. I do when I can and am trying to change a few things around so I have more time to dedicate to that.... I plan on having a lot more stuff up in the future. I have a lot on my plate adn am on the road a lot which makes it harder but like I said... I'm working ways I can do a lot more.

I gotta disagree... I have tried Traktor through out the yrs and while I don't know it nearly as well as SSL, I am not saying anything here about what it can't do. AGAIN... When people point out stuff Traktor can do... I'm saying well, SSL can either do that or you can get damn close like this. I'm also not doing a side by side comparison of an outdated version of traktor next to the newest version of SSL and saying Traktor can't do things that it actually can. Q is a DOPE DJ! But his knowledge of the overall DVS systems is limited.... his skratching ability has nothing to do with his knowledge of software and he proved that in that video. Same with Jeff... he is an AMAZING DJ but that doesn't mean he knows SSL or Traktor in and out I know and see world class DJ's all the time who have no clue as to 90% of what SL can do or not. have heard guys (known) guys say "I wish it could do this" when it's been able to do that since version 1

Show me QUOTE me where I've said that Traktor can't do "x"

I aint taking it personal man.. I just feel like you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here.... like Johnny misunderstood me and though I was saying Jeff wasn't technical enough to show Traktor when I meant he is not (by today's standards) a technical enough scratcher to say that Traktor provided better fidelity than SSL when used for extreme scratching.

You know you typed alot of ish in this thread - you really want me to go back and comb through all that lol...

If you are gonna say that I am discrediting myself.... hell yes, back that s#it up or take it back.... hahaha you sound like Q talking about something he doesn't know. I've done no such thing here. If I have, show me where.
lol

Good that's grown man-ish.:. Too many cats get overly worked up over forum convo's.. And the opinions of others..

Thread searching.....

I haven't even said Traktor's not good... I actually said I think it IS good... just not as good as SSL to ME I haven't really dissed Traktor or any of it's sponsored DJ's

Reading this form is time I can never get back! Its amazing that people see Jazzy Jeff jumping ship automatically makes that product better. In the video where Jazzy Jeff using the ttm 57 he states he is a gear junkie and he would try any product. The people over in the traktor marketing department saw this coming a long time ago and this forum proved it. Look Stop Blogging about this stuff Jeff made his money! He did Serato, Ableton and now Traktor have his attention. Everybody want to figure out this Serato Bridge use what you have and make a hot video maybe RANE and ABLETON might pay you! Or even better TTM 68 maybe a freebee

Hey Serato you need to get all the Traktor lovers and void their warranties lol

hahaha... good luck, I just went over all my posts as well.

Errr... You know you been poking at Jeff's scratching abilities and Q's dvs knowledge right... Maybe not major disses but still could be considered a diss..

Ok.. Maybe you didn't say tracktor can't - but my original point still stands.. You're an unoffical ssl rep - thus your stance is gonna be a bit slighted...

no, no, no... I've giving them nothing but credit for their skill and ability.

To say that Jeff is not on a Skratch level as Q-Bert is not a Dis... it's the truth.
I didn't say Jeff was whack.... I actually said several times how dope I think he is.

I also gave nothing but credit to Q for being an Amazing DJ.
Pointing out that he doesn't know enough about SSL to make a valid comparison is not a dis... it's the truth. I even gave him credit for just being misinformed and never thought or said he used an older version of SSL and left out key features that you need to make a fair comparison on purpose just to be shady which could have been a dis towards his character... i did none of that... all I did was point out truths.... if the truth is a diss then F*ck it.... I'll dis anybody with out giving a damn.... if all you have on me in the way of discrediting myself is that i speak the truth then I'll gladly accept your apology anytime bro.

I didn't get down with them and THEN start saying they are good... I was saying they were good before... when I had nothing to gain from it.... so again.... you aint saying nothing here

Your turn to be on some Man shit here and say you misunderstood me and what i was saying and made a mistake in trying and discredit me.... or take the non man way out.
Either way... I stand by everything I've said here.

Ah - applause - very nicely played.. I have no good comeback! You mugafuga!

*Gets up from the debating chair*

hahahaha Thank you Sir.
Respect to you.



And now.............



Watchwww.youtube.com
;)

Hell NO, didn't know about the feature. and you say it's off to conserve CPU speed....

Well, shouldn't that be tweaked by default?

I'm sayin, you're discrediting 2 WELL RESPECTED DJ's, who are basically leaning towards Traktor, and you're havin' a fit pulling out "The Fine Print" that nobody reads.

So bascially, either Serato/Rane has to step up 1 or 2 things...

#1. - Their VIDEO PROMOTION of their products...Like really put out some CURRENT stuff to show how great their product is.

#2. - Actually IMPROVE their product, if it's truly warranted...

In this world...PERCEPTION IS REALITY...



www.djjohnnym.com

Now Jeff's Scratches have NOTHING to do his opinion to endorse (If that's what you call it), Traktor. Why? Because I'm sure the software won't help him scratch anymore better....agree?

So why "Jump Ship" as many have said? Let's let him tell it.



I dunno man, you've got that shiny Tech Mate crossing guard badge, and you're in the bed with Crane...

I'd say you were the most "connected" guy in this thead....

Just sayin....

What? Man listen...

Wiz is getting attacked cuz he dissed DJ JAZZY JEFF!

Who cares what Wiz actually "knows"? He ain't puttin' out no new vids!

:D

Haha - I may have gotten up from the seat, but there is JohnnyM and we all know he NEVER gives up :)

www.djjohnnym.com

You
Can't
Be
Serious

WHAT? I did not MISUNDERSTAND JACK!

First off...

You said "Well Jeff isn't that type of a "Technical Scratch" DJ in the 1st place"..

And my point was that, he WASN'T trying to (or needed to) do a "Technical Scratch" in order to give his opinion of Traktor.

And the TRUTH of the matter is that, the point that Q was demonstrating DID NOT REQUIRE A PERFECTED SCRATCH TECHNIQUE, all he did was drag the record slowly...

Anybody could do that...

Ok, so you rebuke that by saying Serato wasn't "Optimized",...

My question is WHY didn't anybody put up a vid SHOWING Q how Serato can REALLY perform? NOBODY? NOT ONE?

C'mon son....

It would have been a LOT more dramatic for a "Regular" dj as yourself, or hell, a Rane sponsored "Nobody" to put up a vid directly contradicting what Q put up there...

Y'all slow.

Sounds pretty Corporately "Canned" BS to me...

Politically correct like a MUG...

Cash that check son...

You ain't NEVA lied...

First off, what does JAZZY JEFF'S SCRATCHING ABILITY HAVE TO DO WITH TRAKTOR in the 1st place?

Why was that comparison EVEN BROUGHT UP?

I'll tell you why...

Because the initial reference was to try and squash the whole "Slow Drag"concept...

Ok, so Q may not have had SSL "Optimized", but WHAT does Jazzy Jeff not being able to "scratch" by Today's standards vs. Q have to do wIth ANYTHING?

That, "Wait" Jeff should be discredited BECAUSE he's not EVEN as Good as Q on that technical level, and since Q gave an "uninformed" statement, Jazzy Jeffs would be even THAT MUCH MORE UNINFORMED, cuz he's not up to Q's scratching Level...

www.djjohnnym.com

Ok Serato hire DJ Scratch from Master of The Mix and lets see how many people will switch back!

Unofficial my arse...

Wiz aint' one of us, he's one of THEM! :D

You know how people say things in a "jokingly manner", but there's "real" meaning behind it ?


Man look,

I ain't mad at his hustle...

But Stevie Wonder can see thru that BS....

Make no mistake DJBIGWIZ is connected...

Well since a video is what started me lol here I go again......DJ Jazzy Jeff practicing on Traktor looks like he really did switch Watchwww.youtube.com

Man, even Traktor has Biz Markie on vid...

Watchwww.youtube.com

We all know wiz in connected. Good for him. I wish i was. Sometimes you need a man in the outside to do the dirty work that can't be done from the inside.

wiz can do and say stuff that the mods cant because he is not a mod. it happens all over the place. Every business needs that man to take out the trash. nothing wrong wit it

Of COURSE we need a "Mole", but you can't front like you have no Pre-Conceived Notions against rival products....

Just sayin...

shoot..... that whole battle crane stuff is great. I love the vids those guys came up with. Post those sons of bitches!

Need demos like this guys rocking SSL and Rane equipment Watchwww.youtube.com

Don't try to change the subject, now that I've got everyone on the ropes..

DJBIGWIZ is bout it, but he can't claim that he ain't got no Custom "DJBIGWIZ" CV's, when we know good and well, he's getting or has gotten some GREAT SCHWAG.

Also, getting a CHECK isn't everything, as Recognition is a big payoff too of being "affiliated"...Many perks, so I don't buy the whole "I'm just giving an unbiased opinion" brand of wolf ticket.... :)

See it would be DIFFERENT if a DIE HARD SERATO CAT that we all know and respect came thru and was like, YO, *EFF Serato, Traktor is the *ish...

Names like that would include, Dazz, Deez, Sheak, Bandoma, and hell even NikJr.

The same with some Traktor fanboys who all of a sudden want/need Serato.

See, I'll continue testimony...

I initially saw Jazzy Jeff using Serato, but TO ME, he looked and sounded MUCH slower. Did I switch at that point? Nope, waited around till Relative Mode was born, and then waited some more.

Did Jazzy raise my interest in Serato? (NH) Yes,...and that's all you need.

so if my preception is that all your opinions are totally wrong.... I guess that's reality?

See... what we have here is you admitting by my perception that you are wrong or that your statement is false which put negates your argument here and means nothing I said was a diss. Let the backpedal begin.
you can just say what you like... getting a shiny badge is nothing more than taking the test Serato has and knowing the products well enough to pass the test... you could do it if you applied yourself... I believe in you.


I never dissed Jeff... the truth is not a diss... get over it.

Wrong AGAIN =)
I've got the best of Johnny before and he conceded ;)
My point was his opinion about which one provides better fidelity for advanced scratch technics so yes, you did misunderstand me.
It can sound like what ever you want it to... if how I feel sounds that way it doesn't make it not true. I wish I did have a check to cash.

hahaha you're funny


WOW... you caouldn't tell that was a joke... WOW you are having to quote other threads to try to get at me here... lol man, desperation does not look good on you.
connected more that You... true... but my connection came out of my stance... not the other way around.
true, I can freely speak my mind here just like you and everybody else.... if that makes me in the wrong for some odd reason then we are all in the wrong here... I'm not gonna bite my tounge or hold back my opinion just because I have a closer connection to Rane and Serato than you.
true, I get thi gs here and there but I have given and done a lot as well... and truth be told, I don't even bother asking for half the stuff I could get.... again... what I do and say is because I feel that way... if someone likes that and wants to give me something I'm probably gonna take it... but my opinion existed before and schwag.
C'mon on Johnny... you know there's nothing here and posting A LOT is not gonna make the truth out of what you are trying desperately to make people believe here.

You can post 100 posts in a row.... you can't bury or hide whats true man. Y

do what you do wiz

Oh... one more thing you are wrong about here.... Relative mode has always been there from the start.

I've been wearing Fruit Of The Loom underwear for ages, but I recently heard that Jazzy Jeff wears Hanes.

So I through out all of my underwear and replace them with Hanes. Also, I saw a picture of Michael Jordan with a Hitler mustache so I'm starting to grow one too.

hahahaha I don't even want to hear any more about THAT conversation or who you been talking to

I used to wear Fruit of the Looms, seriously. And switching to hanes and their Comfort Soft Waistband was one of the best decisions of my life!

you guys wear underwear? weird...... :-D

This is about as interesting an "argument" as the original one...

as a house DJ i dont care if traktor release a direct connection with god himself , traktor has failed/crashed on me several times while in my almost 3 years using serato it never dissapoinment , my heart and soul is sold to serato and even if god himself is using traktor i wont even blink to go to the darkside and use serato

^this

at the end of the day, no matter how many features traktor has, I will never trust NI.

just update the 57 already. Im thinking about jumping soon.

Im telling everyone dont jump if you have invested money into a product. Unless you are ready to really take your sets to "Mars" then stick with what your using. Trying to keep up in the technology race will leave you broke with a lot of toys. You will be the guy with all the latest gear but cant get your main bills paid on time.

Traktor is a great product but I have put enough money in SSL. I own 2 SL3 and one 57 Im not getting into another DVS.

I'm glad I never jumped on the 57 bandwagon. I just never felt it was that great of a mixer to upgrade from my 56.....

There are many reasons for using the 57SL apart from having it 'just' to have it.

serato has crashed on me before when traktor never did. I dont trust serato

After almost a year of The Bridge being out it is a shame that Biz Wiz is the ONLY person in this thread that extensive knowledge of its capabilities.

Serato and Ableton have not done enough to educate us on the capabilities of Serato and The Bridge. To me it's like Google Wave over a year ago. Google did a great job hyping it up and everybody was like "OMG this is the future!!" Then when it's released to public everybody is like "WTF am I supposed to do with this!??" That's how I feel about The Bridge.

I have no clue on how to use Ableton or how to incorporate it in my sets. It's also known to have a STEEP learning curve. So why should I learn Ableton and buy a 68 when I have no clue of how to apply it to my sets or how to take my sets to the next level?? Serato still has the same lame videos from almost a year ago. They have not done a thing to educate the everyday local DJ such as myself who is not a fulltime DJ and does not have the time to fully learn the ins and outs of Ableton/Serato and figure out how to apply it.

plus I still dont understand why you need a rane mixer to fully use the mixtape feature. That's a pretty stupid artificial limitation

isn't switching DVS also hella time consuming? You got your cue points, loops, crates etc.

I heard about software that can change your SL info into Traktor, but don't know for sure if that's working.

either way I am sticking to SL.

switching from traktor I lost all my cues, but as far as playlists, you can just drag and drop those.

I used to use at least 5 of the 8 cues in traktor, but now in serato I only use 2/3 on average. I feel like I do less with serato i guess

Awww man, cats updating the thread in the middle of the night...

That's aiittee...I got my access BACK at work, so it's about to be ON!

I was in a car once that stalled. Think is was a Ford. I'll only ever buy a Chevy now. SMH

EXACTLY. I was being facetious, and pointing out that just because one program may have crashed on you doesnt mean that it's unstable, and the opposite.

no, fords really do suck.
=)

Yup! I'm driving a CADDY, you FIXIN' A FORD.

For all of you that are about to jump on the traktor bandwagon, Mr. V of Sole Channel music posted yesterday on FB how 4 times over the weekend his audio 4 dj soundcard and traktor "glitched" on him, so just maybe the grass is not greener on the otherside. Plus when i opened for him here in san diego it took a lot of setup and tweaktime for traktor. The only plus i could personally give traktor is the difference in sound qaulity. Other than that IMO serato and traktor are fairly equal

Fixin a ford is right... FORD is really an acronym... Fixed Or Repaired Daily! Believe it

Driving a Ford is almost as bad as driving a Tracktor

;)

j/k here kiddies.... don't get y'alls panties all twisted.

Tell that to this guy allfloridablog.com

my opinion
Traktor wins over Serato @ DJ Mag Tech Awards 2009
quotereportlinkAt 5:39 PM 5 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote From Traktor FaceBook..


Quote:
The Traktor family wins big at the DJ Mag Tech Awards 2009 - "Best DJ Software" for Traktor Pro, "Best DVS" for Traktor Scratch Pro and "Best Audio Interface" for Audio 2 DJ - thanks for your votes!


thats BS..
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! quotereportlinkAt 5:45 PM 5 October 2009
scotty B wroteI call B.S.

Or not one actual DJ voted. quotereportlinkAt 5:47 PM 5 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotei voted..serato all the way baby!!!! quotereportlinkAt 5:48 PM 5 October 2009
DJ Michael Basic wroteTraktor is by far the more widely used software worldwide. quotereportlinkAt 5:50 PM 5 October 2009
Strom Carlson wroteQuote:
Or not one actual DJ voted.

Man, haven't you heard of DJ Hamiltune, DJ Linkin', D33J4Y J4CK50N, US Grant, and the granddaddy of then all, DJ B3NNY F?! Those guys are HUGE in the DJ biz! quotereportlinkAt 6:03 PM 5 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotewww.facebook.com quotereportlinkAt 6:06 PM 5 October 2009
sixxx wroteI guess I better switch to Traktor then! :P quotereportlinkAt 6:09 PM 5 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotecome 2010 w/ the ablton/serato thing lets see how many people jump ship..
get ready for alot of noobie soon2bee's asking dumb questions for the zillionth time.. :OP quotereportlinkAt 7:14 PM 5 October 2009
DJMark wroteJust more reinforcement of my intense distrust about most of what passes as DJ-related journalism. quotereportlinkAt 7:42 PM 5 October 2009
djpuma_gemini wroteWhy do dj's replace letters with numbers.

I'm not DJ PUM8.

1 number maybe, but d33j4y come on. quotereportlinkAt 8:26 PM 5 October 2009
Anu wrotefrom BPM 2009 thread


Quote:
NI: i mananged to make traktor crash so for me it was a good show for them lol.quotereportlinkAt 11:55 PM 5 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteTraktor IS a superior product to Serato Buddy Love, maybe you should actually try it out before knocking it. quotereportlinkAt 11:59 PM 5 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^^^^^ gay comment!!! quotereportlinkAt 12:04 AM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrote^fo real though quotereportlinkAt 12:05 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wrote^^^^ seems like you've never used it either. or youre a complete noob thats never touched real vinyl either. As far as accuracy and control, Traktor Scratch dominates Serato. The only thing Serato has over the new Traktor Scratch is simplicity of the layout and stability. So you and Buddy Love can keep pillow biting and get off of Serato nuts quotereportlinkAt 12:08 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^^^^ wow... internet gangstaaaa quotereportlinkAt 12:09 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteyep thats me.. kinda like you being the internet fag. Have you ever used traktor Scratch pro? dont think so. quotereportlinkAt 12:12 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^^^never had the need to!!! SL has not given me a reason to try other programs! Please oh please Mr Gangstaaaaaa tell us how great traktor is again!! quotereportlinkAt 12:14 AM 6 October 2009
Strom Carlson wroteOh boy, I love internet dick-size-comparison contests!

[makes popcorn] quotereportlinkAt 12:17 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteLOL Strom. He's the one trying to pick the fight, I just told him he shouldnt hate on Traktor Scratch without even trying it. If he did try it, he'd would really like how much better Traktor feels compared to serato. It the equivalent of saying, I never fucked Masterminds mother, but I already know that her pussy is loose and smelly. She just might have the bomb pussy, or she might not, but I will not comment about it untill I try it out. quotereportlinkAt 12:19 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrotewow.... just warning you...... quotereportlinkAt 12:19 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteok internet tough guy, warn me again. quotereportlinkAt 12:20 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrotewow..... you the gangstaaa troll up in here drooping MOM bombs!!!! quotereportlinkAt 12:22 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteI was just making an analogy, youre the one that had nothing productive to say other than "gay comment" when i said I feel that Traktor is a superior product. Basically, dont talk shit if you cant handle it either. quotereportlinkAt 12:23 AM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteblah...
oh btw yes i do have tractor scratch pro..

so blah agian quotereportlinkAt 12:24 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wroteoh look........... this is what happens after you use traktor metropolitician.blogs.com quotereportlinkAt 12:25 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^^^^^^the trolls are out!!! quotereportlinkAt 12:25 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteIm thru with you boy, I'll just say it one more time that I do not disagree with the article. Serato has many benefits, but the new Traktor Scratch feels more accurate and is nipping at Serato's heels

Traktor Scratch > SL1

as far as sound quality goes, TS > SL1, but SL3 = TS Pro

The screen layout Serato > TS

Accuracy TS > Serato quotereportlinkAt 12:26 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wrotelol mastermind, you pointed at your own thread and called yourself a troll... Just bc I have something to say that pertains to the topic does not make me a troll. Have you typed ANYTHING that is conducive to this thread other than calling my original post gay. Stop playing yourself boy. quotereportlinkAt 12:30 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrote1)serato has NEVER crashed on me at a gig!

2)I have NEVER had someone complain about the sound quality of my music

3)I have NEVER had to pay for an update

4)Go back in to your cave troll and continue to play with under developed software quotereportlinkAt 12:35 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteQuote:
1)serato has NEVER crashed on me at a gig!

2)I have NEVER had someone complain about the sound quality of my music

3)I have NEVER had to pay for an update

4)Go back in to your cave troll and continue to play with under developed software


lol. Now thats a proper educated response boy! Nice job!
Im an SSL and TS user and Serato has never crashed on me, but neither has Traktor Scratch. Your ears probably aren't trained enough to hear how much better TS sounds compared to Serato or you don't play on good sound systems. I haven paid for a TS update yet, so I dont know what youre talking about. But very nice response. You would have been much better off with that instead of calling me a troll or gay bc I disagree with you. quotereportlinkAt 12:40 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wroteby the way ....... I ain't a BOY. Now that's crossing lines quotereportlinkAt 12:43 AM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteim a serato fan BOOOOOYIE quotereportlinkAt 12:46 AM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteok peeps lets chill..

Jackmaster if you are happy w/ traktor fine..so be it
me if im happy w/ ScratchLIVE fine...so be it
mastermine if your happy with ScratchLIVE fine..so be it

Fuck!!! quotereportlinkAt 12:46 AM 6 October 2009
dead serious wroteI've always wanted to try Traktor just to compare it to SSL..

but they never have it on the floor at guitar center or my local record shop..all they push are the rane/serato items quotereportlinkAt 12:48 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wroteim chill quotereportlinkAt 12:49 AM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
I've always wanted to try Traktor just to compare it to SSL..

but they never have it on the floor at guitar center or my local record shop..all they push are the rane/serato items


[sarcasm] Wonder why???[/sarcasm] quotereportlinkAt 1:03 AM 6 October 2009
djdalite wrotei like to add gas to the fiya

traktor licks that small patch between my balls and anus

serato cures world hunger and can seperate the red sea

end of discussion quotereportlinkAt 1:19 AM 6 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteQuote:
i like to add gas to the fiya

traktor licks that small patch between my balls and anus

serato cures world hunger and can seperate the red sea

end of discussion


lol, thats why youre also a mash-up dj. ;) quotereportlinkAt 2:24 AM 6 October 2009
sl1200 wroteI own both products but I prefer SSL. I accept Tracktor is more advanced & just as stable SSL.

I love the SSL screen layout & it's so much more user friendly than Tracktor.
For example I had SSL up & running in an hour but it took more than half a day with Traktor & lots of help from the native-instruments forum.

Truth is Traktor is the industry standard. I see many top EDM DJ's using Traktor. I have yet to see a Hip-Hop live dj on Tracktor & exactly the opposite for SSL. quotereportlinkAt 2:53 AM 6 October 2009
jepe wroteexactly sl1200. you said everything.
i ve tried both, i tried to test/switch because of the 4 decks/effects and return back to serato because not only i am used but simply because i love it.
i tested the sound of both in studio and you can t compare them . sl3 a tspro have a totally different sound, both are very good , but i prefer sl3. but we can t say 1 is good and the other is bad. i am a Ableton live user too and i am waiting for the partnership.
but what i do really know is that hip hop djs are totally serato and edm djs in europe are traktor, specially due to tecnho/ minimal rise and due to richie watkins traktor s setup and amazing dj sets with 4 tracks playing, layers, effects etc. that s a different discussion about the way / what a dj is.. but for me as an house / techouse dj serato is killer. i just miss some effects sometime (which i use with an external sound card routing serato through ableton live) and a 3rd deck for some beats to make a stronger layer behind some tracks. and this is something i am waiting for the partnership with ableton.
so.. you just have to feel comfortable playing, and i am much mure with serato. quotereportlinkAt 9:18 AM 6 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

GUYS - STOP THE B.S. HERE. Play nice please.

About the article / award........... hogwash. quotereportlinkAt 9:54 AM 6 October 2009
Justin Styles wroteboth sides have their pluses and minuses imo. it's a matter of what fits you best. personally, until serato does me wrong, I'll give my love so SL. If it isn't broke and it just get better, no need to try to fix it. quotereportlinkAt 10:16 AM 6 October 2009
terrible1fi wroteQuote:
I have yet to see a Hip-Hop live dj on Tracktor & exactly the opposite for SSL.


dj kraze, and dj klever- yes I'm sure it's an endorsement, just saying quotereportlinkAt 10:43 AM 6 October 2009
mastermind wrotebenny b,fat boy slim are edm Dj's and they use serato quotereportlinkAt 10:46 AM 6 October 2009
al83 wroteQuote:
Traktor is by far the more widely used software worldwide.

if you mean dj dvs software, then that is bullshit my friend. quotereportlinkAt 10:52 AM 6 October 2009
dj hes wrotewhat is tracktor? quotereportlinkAt 12:04 PM 6 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's?

I'm curious cause I like hip hop but I'm not a hip hop dj. I've been playing "EDM" for over a decade and I'm digging my Scratch Live and I see more of my fellow dj's using it over traktor, but then again, if someone I knew was using that, they would get an earful.

So, Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's? quotereportlinkAt 12:08 PM 6 October 2009
MK 1 wroteI don't. It's all about preference.

I see more and more DJs with SSl these days though. Most recently noticed Zinc & Toddla T.. quotereportlinkAt 12:09 PM 6 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's?

I'm curious cause I like hip hop but I'm not a hip hop dj. I've been playing "EDM" for over a decade and I'm digging my Scratch Live and I see more of my fellow dj's using it over traktor, but then again, if someone I knew was using that, they would get an earful.

So, Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's?


+1 quotereportlinkAt 12:23 PM 6 October 2009
sixxx wroteI surely see a disconnect between hip hop DJ's and "EDM" DJ's. We're better. :P quotereportlinkAt 12:26 PM 6 October 2009
ryansupak wroteSomebody upthread said TS is by far more widely-used throughout the world. I was under the impression it was the other way around...I've seen SSL in touring DJ technical riders, and I've even recently heard radio ads where they say "DJ XYZ on the Seratos", but never with TS. Am I mistaken on this? Anybody have hard figures either way?

I haven't spent much time with TS -- I couldn't figure out the interface on it in like 2001/2002 so I never really gave it a second look. I'm sure it's great at any rate, certainly if you want a lot of whiz-bang features. Personally I just use SSL as a library replacement, so it's moot for me. If SSL had ever failed me I'd probably give it a second look but it hasn't, not once.

rs quotereportlinkAt 12:42 PM 6 October 2009
CMOS wroteIve never seen Traktor on TV during a performance. I see SSL every time i see a DJ on TV. quotereportlinkAt 12:54 PM 6 October 2009
dj hes wrotei think of it like this:

Serato = Nike
Traktor = Rebok quotereportlinkAt 1:09 PM 6 October 2009
DjWoody wroteTo those that say SSL never crashes, is BS. I owned SSL since 2005 and it has crashed on me number of times. Am I butt hurt about it? Nope! Why? Because I know it's bound to happen any day. That's why I'm always prepared for those moments.

As a matter of fact, the first time Serato crashed on me was in front of 1500 people at Spundae in Hollywood. The crowd booed but it didn't bother me at all. Lucky for me I was prepared and I had back up CD's. I didn't even bother troubleshooting Serato, I just jumped back in the mix with regular CD's. It turned out to be one hell of a fun night. FYI, Spundae used to be one of LA's biggest EDM nights. They are no longer in LA. quotereportlinkAt 1:39 PM 6 October 2009
DJ Alkemy wroteI always thought that Serato was the preferred choice of the Hip-Hop/Scratch DJ?...I thought that Serato had better a better setup for latency and sound issues while scratching...is that still the case..If so then I could understand Traktor winning an award because most of the votes at these awards come from edm djs/fans, am I wrong?....I did see DJ Craze & DJ Klevers Traktor video and thought it was average...it just didnt sound too great and the scratching seemed mis-timed and REALLY digital sounding, seriously, check it out... www.youtube.com view

Maybe Traktor has improved, Im not sure but I think its a case of which one you settled with first because by the sound of it, they are both great products but for me, I bought SSL because of the sheer amount of Hip-Hop/Scratch DJ's using it and I have never had a need to purchase something else...I think its a bit silly to defend something to the death just for the sake of it but some people also need to realise that a lot of us SSL users adopt the if it aint broke-dont fix it stance..but if people are happy with Traktor then happy days..and piss off to the Traktor forums hahaha, only kidding :-) quotereportlinkAt 1:53 PM 6 October 2009
djcrap wroteQuote:
To those that say SSL never crashes, is BS. I owned SSL since 2005 and it has crashed on me number of times. Am I butt hurt about it? Nope! Why? Because I know it's bound to happen any day. That's why I'm always prepared for those moments.

As a matter of fact, the first time Serato crashed on me was in front of 1500 people at Spundae in Hollywood. The crowd booed but it didn't bother me at all. Lucky for me I was prepared and I had back up CD's. I didn't even bother troubleshooting Serato, I just jumped back in the mix with regular CD's. It turned out to be one hell of a fun night. FYI, Spundae used to be one of LA's biggest EDM nights. They are no longer in LA.


let me guess you were using a pc...


next time....

buy a mac!
( runs and hides before the pc fan boys chime in) quotereportlinkAt 1:55 PM 6 October 2009
Chrisjin wroteIf Traktor is the one that has all the bells and whistles, Ima skip it. I dont need all that as 2 turntables and a mic is my platform and will stick with that. quotereportlinkAt 2:07 PM 6 October 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
Quote:
To those that say SSL never crashes, is BS. I owned SSL since 2005 and it has crashed on me number of times. Am I butt hurt about it? Nope! Why? Because I know it's bound to happen any day. That's why I'm always prepared for those moments.

As a matter of fact, the first time Serato crashed on me was in front of 1500 people at Spundae in Hollywood. The crowd booed but it didn't bother me at all. Lucky for me I was prepared and I had back up CD's. I didn't even bother troubleshooting Serato, I just jumped back in the mix with regular CD's. It turned out to be one hell of a fun night. FYI, Spundae used to be one of LA's biggest EDM nights. They are no longer in LA.


let me guess you were using a pc...


next time....

buy a mac!
( runs and hides before the pc fan boys chime in)


LMAO... Nope... I have never owned a PC. I've been a Mac guy ever since my first Umax back in the mid 90's. lol quotereportlinkAt 2:09 PM 6 October 2009
djcrap wrotei don't know about you but the only time scratchlive( serato as most of us call it) only crashes on me is when am beta testing new versions and once the version am testing goes final. i have no more problems until the next beta starts.

serato till i die enough say! quotereportlinkAt 2:11 PM 6 October 2009
djcrap wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
To those that say SSL never crashes, is BS. I owned SSL since 2005 and it has crashed on me number of times. Am I butt hurt about it? Nope! Why? Because I know it's bound to happen any day. That's why I'm always prepared for those moments.

As a matter of fact, the first time Serato crashed on me was in front of 1500 people at Spundae in Hollywood. The crowd booed but it didn't bother me at all. Lucky for me I was prepared and I had back up CD's. I didn't even bother troubleshooting Serato, I just jumped back in the mix with regular CD's. It turned out to be one hell of a fun night. FYI, Spundae used to be one of LA's biggest EDM nights. They are no longer in LA.


let me guess you were using a pc...


next time....

buy a mac!
( runs and hides before the pc fan boys chime in)


LMAO... Nope... I have never owned a PC. I've been a Mac guy ever since my first Umax back in the mid 90's. lol


bwahaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ooooooooooooooooooops misquote...lol quotereportlinkAt 2:12 PM 6 October 2009
djcrap wrotei don't know about you but the only time scratchlive( serato as most of us call it) only crashes on me is when am beta testing new versions and once the version am testing goes final. i have no more problems until the next beta starts.

serato till i die enough say! quotereportlinkAt 2:36 PM 6 October 2009
DjWoody wroteI actually had a beta that was more stable than the final release. I think it was 1.9. The beta was really stable on me, and the final release wouldn't even launch.

If you remember 1.8.4 there was a lot of instability. Lots of people had problems with it. Up to this date, I have a problem with 1.9.1 & 1.9.2 where if I'm doing a video set, I minimize/hide ScratchLive to go to my desktop, it will either get stuck or dissapear and won't come back. If it does come back, the desktop menus will get stuck over ScratchLive.

Crashes happen. Trust me. Just because you never had them, don't mean they don't. I'm pretty tech savvy and I can tell you Serato has improved A LOT since I first started using it back in 2005. It's more stable than it's ever been. And even though crashes are less frequent, I have seen them happen. quotereportlinkAt 3:18 PM 6 October 2009
ryansupak wroteMy view is that because I have personally never had a crash, THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION is that the software HAS NEVER, and WILL NEVER crash, not for ANYONE. EVER.

rs quotereportlinkAt 3:23 PM 6 October 2009
Strom Carlson wroteQuote:
My view is that because I have personally never had a crash, THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION is that the software HAS NEVER, and WILL NEVER crash, not for ANYONE. EVER.

rs

Oh, also, let us not forget a sentiment echoed on this board countless times: Macs are perfection incarnate, and no one ever has trouble with them ever ever ever ever ever. quotereportlinkAt 3:33 PM 6 October 2009
flipmo8064 wroteQuote:
I own both products but I prefer SSL. I accept Tracktor is more advanced & just as stable SSL.

I love the SSL screen layout & it's so much more user friendly than Tracktor.
For example I had SSL up & running in an hour but it took more than half a day with Traktor & lots of help from the native-instruments forum.

Truth is Traktor is the industry standard. I see many top EDM DJ's using Traktor. I have yet to see a Hip-Hop live dj on Tracktor & exactly the opposite for SSL.


+1 I owned Serato first and just made the switch to Traktor. SSL is a lot more straight forward and less cluttered. I never had a problem with either but, based on what I read on both forums, SSL is definitely more stable. While most discussions here are just regular every day talk, Traktors forums are filled with all sorts or issues users are having. Seems newer updates contribute to more issues as well. All in all, to each his own.... quotereportlinkAt 4:12 PM 6 October 2009
dj_soo wrotei've seen more EDM djs on serato than I've seen hiphop guys on Traktor.

to be honest, the best comparison I've heard is that Serato is pretty much the Technics of DVS - doesn't have the fancy features as the rest (and some might say that it's actually lacking in features it should have) but it's time-tested, and the accepted industry standard for a DVS.

Trakor is probably more like a Vestax or something - considered quality by the users and has many more features, bells and whistles available, but isn't approaching serato in terms of general acceptance in the performing DJ's world (actual, perceived, or otherwise).

I also find that a lot of the guys that champion Traktor rarely even use it as a DVS anymore (see Jeff Mills) but rather go that route when they want to switch to an all-controller style of DJing.

Anyway, I'm very happy with Serato on many levels (especially layout and library management) and I haven't used Traktor Scratch before (i have used an older version of traktor and found it too complicated) but I'm interested in just trying it out just to see what it has to offer... quotereportlinkAt 5:18 PM 6 October 2009
DJ Michael Basic wroteMore like...Serato is the Technics of DVS, and Traktor is the Pioneer CDJ. quotereportlinkAt 5:19 PM 6 October 2009
DJ Michael Basic wroteI, of course, have never owned Traktor, or a pair of CDJs...I've used both, and plan on sticking with Serato and my 1200s.

Anytime I travel anywhere outside of the US, however, when people see my laptop they immediately ask if I'm using Traktor. Always...without fail. quotereportlinkAt 5:49 PM 6 October 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
More like...Serato is the Technics of DVS, and Traktor is the Pioneer CDJ.


Now, that I agree! quotereportlinkAt 5:58 PM 6 October 2009
FunkyRob wroteI sold my TS back in March for 2 reasons

see....

scratchlive.net

1. I'm a DJ, not a freaking scientist. Program was just too damn complicated for me.

2. no Video plugin. quotereportlinkAt 7:57 PM 6 October 2009
DJDeluchi wrote

my 2 cents

i tried both traktor failed tried serato and it worked

also serato updates free quotereportlinkAt 9:15 PM 6 October 2009
DJ McKay wroteAll i know is that its an industry standard, like the Techs, no need to out source when it works 99.9 % of the time. nothing is fail proof just gotta be ready for thoes momentsyou gotta be one step ahead of the game. quotereportlinkAt 10:11 PM 6 October 2009
nonplus wroteQuote:
my 2 cents

i tried both traktor failed tried serato and it worked

also serato updates free


traktor is has free updates too. just go download it off a tracker somewhere...
i really don't care what traktor does. i'm faithful to my 57. quotereportlinkAt 11:38 PM 6 October 2009
dj_soo wroteyea, the other big thing is i'd rather be playing off a rane mixer than say a Korg... quotereportlinkAt 12:35 AM 7 October 2009
djcrap wroteQuote:
Quote:
my 2 cents

i tried both traktor failed tried serato and it worked

also serato updates free


traktor is has free updates too. just go download it off a tracker somewhere...
i really don't care what traktor does. i'm faithful to my 57.

Amen! on that
plus customer support on rane and serato products is 150% quotereportlinkAt 2:59 AM 7 October 2009
rlaci wroteQuote:
i think of it like this:

Serato = Nike
Traktor = Rebok



Serato = Adidas
Traktor = Adiods (chinese low cost replica)

I'm edm dj and i'm using serato quotereportlinkAt 3:08 AM 7 October 2009
Caramac wroteI'd imagine that if those figures were true that they're leaning more towards the ''bedroom'' dj sales vs working dj sales. Any serious/working club dj I know or have seen has Serato. There maybe thousands of kids in my town using Traktor or some other type of software but at the end of the day when I'm in a club I see Serato. I'm reguarly approached by people who say what programme do you use? I use *insert other DVS*. That's nice but I'm here week in week out and so are you. The people who are serious about their work use proffessional eequipment. quotereportlinkAt 3:49 AM 7 October 2009
John Nasty wroteI´v been playing with serato every sense the sl1 came, and i thought then that it was the best thing ever. Simple layout, stable, but i was never happy with the soundquality. TS came along and audio 8, and i was at my friends house who just got it, and i was blown away by the sound quality. Now, Rane came up with the SL3 soundcard, and what they do next is beyond my understanding. They overpriced it so hard that more and more DJ´s ( and this is the fact ) are switching from Serato to TS. Why ? Well, i pay 600 USD for a soundcard that has 4 ins and 4 outs, sounds way much better then any other ( including sl3 ). I loved Serato so much, and it was hard for me to switch, but taking 300 USD for an upgrade from Sl1 to SL3 is just greed. Additional AUX chanell, USB 2.0 ( all the things that have been standard with TS for years ) and improved sound quality ( wich stiil is nowhere near the sound quality of TS ). I say, thank you for the music, but i am moving to bigger and better. And yes, i am the EDM DJ, and i use Ableton and TS together, and unless your partnership with Ableton includes using the efx from ableton and adding some other features from ableton into Serato, 300 USD for an upgrade, will just get you in the position where you´ll lose more and more costumers. Wish you nothing but the best in future, but greed have never been good thing.... quotereportlinkAt 5:03 AM 7 October 2009
DJ ST wroteThe only USEFUL addition to Serato Scratch Live,
besides the Ableton addition, would be a tighter control signal.

Sometimes when I'm doubling/juggling/backspinning with two records,
there is a noticable sticker drift. Traktor is tighter in this sense,
but I don't need a million effects and all that. If you suck and can't play records,
effects won't save you.

Serato's layout is cleaner, and it is easier to mix two records quickly together,
even if you haven't heard them before.

But Serato-folks, a tighter signal. Thanks. quotereportlinkAt 6:07 AM 7 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wroteQuote:


But Serato-folks, a tighter signal. Thanks.


+1x10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 quotereportlinkAt 9:51 AM 7 October 2009
DJ Schematic wroteIs there any clubs that have a tracktor set-up? I've never seen one. What happens when you need to switch out dj's? quotereportlinkAt 12:30 PM 7 October 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
Is there any clubs that have a tracktor set-up?

Yes, there's plenty. Avalon in Hollywood has it. And I believe Vanguard has it too. Depending on the DJ's rider they'll set it up.


Quote:
What happens when you need to switch out dj's?

Same thing as Serato. Nothing's different. Have you ever swapped Serato boxes in between DJ's? Or have you showed up to a club that has no box and had to install it while the other DJ is playing? I've done it a bunch of times. It's the same thing with Traktor. quotereportlinkAt 3:21 PM 7 October 2009
Joshua Carl wroteQuote:
The only thing Serato has over the new Traktor Scratch is simplicity of the layout and stability.



well, that's all needed to hear.
thanks for closing the deal for me. quotereportlinkAt 4:18 PM 7 October 2009
al83 wroteQuote:
Quote:
The only thing Serato has over the new Traktor Scratch is simplicity of the layout and stability.



well, that's all needed to hear.
thanks for closing the deal for me.

yep, those are the 3 overriding basic functionality things that make a professional app, without those you have nothing. if you are willing to sacrifice stability over features and you're a professional dj then you really aren't that professional at all. traktor is bedroom/studio period. quotereportlinkAt 5:26 PM 7 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
Quote:
The only thing Serato has over the new Traktor Scratch is simplicity of the layout and stability.



well, that's all needed to hear.
thanks for closing the deal for me.

LOL :P quotereportlinkAt 6:18 PM 7 October 2009
sacrilicious wroteI got caught off guard when, after getting picked up from gig, my ride's friend said "what do you play on? Traktor?" I mean, just like I've never seen CDJs in a music video or heard a rapper say "DJ so and so cutting it up on the 1000s" I didn't think Traktor had caught on with the public. quotereportlinkAt 2:09 AM 8 October 2009
djdragon wroteSame old BS arguments on the forum again.


Provolone vs Mozzarella? quotereportlinkAt 8:28 AM 8 October 2009
Caramac wroteI don't know my cheeses as well as I thought I did so Mozzarella. quotereportlinkAt 8:39 AM 8 October 2009
skratchworx wroteIn the trade it is generally accepted that in the US, Scratch Live dominates because Hip Hop is the main music style for DJs, thus DVS systems are more prevalent. In Europe however, EDM is more popular and Traktor is a preferred route for the more controller based market.

This is purely anecdotal and I have no actual stats or usage figures to back it up. But on the face of it, it seems to add up.

Awards suck and are largely meaningless. Except when you win of course, and suddenly they take on a huge amount of importance. quotereportlinkAt 9:07 AM 8 October 2009
terrible1fi wroteQuote:
In the trade it is generally accepted that in the US, Scratch Live dominates because Hip Hop is the main music style for DJs, thus DVS systems are more prevalent. In Europe however, EDM is more popular and Traktor is a preferred route for the more controller based market.

This is purely anecdotal and I have no actual stats or usage figures to back it up. But on the face of it, it seems to add up.

Awards suck and are largely meaningless. Except when you win of course, and suddenly they take on a huge amount of importance.



this is the truth, for the most part
that being said I use serato, never had a crash quotereportlinkAt 9:29 AM 8 October 2009
Joee wroteQuote:
Same old BS arguments on the forum again.


Provolone vs Mozzarella?


ummmm....... ME HUNGRY i think i want a chicken parm sandwich

MOZZARELLA baby....no provolone NO PROVOLONE quotereportlinkAt 9:38 AM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotenooooooo PVOVOLONE!!!!!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 9:39 AM 8 October 2009
DJ Nin wroteOn Pizza
1) Mozzarella
2) Provolone


On Sandwiches
1) Swiss
2) Provolone
3) Mozzarella

For Pizza its Mozzarella all the way. Sandwiches are a different story. quotereportlinkAt 9:41 AM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotehow about if you fold 2 slices of pizza over one another .......hummm

than you have a pizza sandwich

hummmmmm.......... quotereportlinkAt 9:45 AM 8 October 2009
DJ Nin wroteGotta go w/ mozzarella in that situation....

Technically it is a sandwich, but its still pizza in essence. quotereportlinkAt 9:51 AM 8 October 2009
Caramac wroteI'm going to see what Provolone is at my local supermarket. It sounds like foot cream. quotereportlinkAt 9:53 AM 8 October 2009
Joee wroteall this talk about cheese is getting me constapatedd quotereportlinkAt 10:20 AM 8 October 2009
DJ TOGTFO wrotehas anyone ever had kimchi pizza in Korea Town? Sounds nasty, but actually tasted awesome! quotereportlinkAt 10:27 AM 8 October 2009
DJ Schematic wroteQuote:
has anyone ever had kimchi pizza in Korea Town? Sounds nasty, but actually tasted awesome!


sex is like pizza, when it's bad it's still pretty good. quotereportlinkAt 11:56 AM 8 October 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotehaha! how did this go from Serato vs Traktor - to - pizza and where to get it?! lol!! quotereportlinkAt 11:59 AM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotepizza um good But put a ring of cheese in the crust & .....JACKPOT......

if it's a ring of Provolone than SUPER JACKPOT quotereportlinkAt 1:11 PM 8 October 2009
mister iLL wrotefresh mozzarella ftw.

also muenster. quotereportlinkAt 1:11 PM 8 October 2009
mister iLL wrotesmoked gouda yo quotereportlinkAt 1:15 PM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotehey hey .......we were talking about provolone & mozzarela where are all these fancy cheeses comin from........ quotereportlinkAt 1:16 PM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotedamm im really hungry i havent eaten any lunch quotereportlinkAt 4:27 PM 8 October 2009
Nick M wrote

A good NY style Pizza place opened up around the corner from Serato the other day.

www.sals.co.nz

Actually, it's almost lunch time here now..... quotereportlinkAt 4:31 PM 8 October 2009
Joee wrotecome on new york style pizza in new zealand

ups me a slice and i'll tell you if it's good quotereportlinkAt 6:58 PM 8 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Oh boy, I love internet dick-size-comparison contests!

[makes popcorn]



****no comment****

:-D quotereportlinkAt 8:23 PM 8 October 2009
sixxx wroteQuote:
Quote:
Oh boy, I love internet dick!

[makes popcorn]



****no comment****

:-D


lol - who said that? hahahaha quotereportlinkAt 1:07 AM 9 October 2009
djdragon wroteQuote:
haha! how did this go from Serato vs Traktor - to - pizza and where to get it?! lol!!


Because arguing about DVS systems is as benign as picking between two types of cheese that pretty similar. quotereportlinkAt 2:06 AM 9 October 2009
Caramac wroteQuote:
A good NY style Pizza place opened up around the corner from Serato the other day.

www.sals.co.nz

Actually, it's almost lunch time here now.....


Don't eat there!!! They refuse to put pictures of the brothers up on the wall!!

BOYCOTT SAL'S!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 7:04 AM 9 October 2009
Joee wroteit's that that place from Do The Right Thing??

BOYCOTT sal's!!!!!!!!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 7:19 AM 9 October 2009
ral wrotewww.ledopizza.com quotereportlinkAt 8:15 AM 9 October 2009
DJ Schematic wrotelombardi's pizza, off of mott and spring. fughedaboutit!
best pie in town. quotereportlinkAt 9:38 AM 9 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit! quotereportlinkAt 10:32 AM 9 October 2009
DJ Schematic wroteQuote:
Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit!


Ain't no comparison. Cadillac got more acceleration, more power, more— better handling, better looking, more legroom for your legs, more power -- quotereportlinkAt 11:13 AM 9 October 2009
Joee wroteQuote:
Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit!


Cadillac.....all day baby did you see the new cts sport wagon HOT!!! and can fit your dj gear.

www.cadillac.com quotereportlinkAt 11:15 AM 9 October 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteQuote:
Quote:
haha! how did this go from Serato vs Traktor - to - pizza and where to get it?! lol!!


Because arguing about DVS systems is as benign as picking between two types of cheese that pretty similar.


Very true - Lol quotereportlinkAt 12:21 PM 9 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Quote:
Quote:
Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit!


Ain't no comparison. Cadillac got more acceleration, more power, more— better handling, better looking, more legroom for your legs, more power --


you already said more power........

lulz. Aces on the reference \m/

I'm about to peep that new cadillac too. quotereportlinkAt 12:45 PM 9 October 2009
sixxx wroteMy pinto beats your cadillac. quotereportlinkAt 12:45 PM 9 October 2009
sixxx wroteand my pinto beans are better on gas than your cadillac. quotereportlinkAt 12:48 PM 9 October 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
and my pito is better on your ass than your cadillac.


WOW!!! Just WOW!!! quotereportlinkAt 12:48 PM 9 October 2009
djdannyd wroteQuote:
Quote:
and my pito is better in your ass than your cadillac.


WOW!!! Just WOW!!!quotereportlinkAt 12:53 PM 9 October 2009
CMOS wroteQuote:
lombardi's pizza, off of mott and spring. fughedaboutit!
best pie in town.



L&B's Spumoni Gardens on 86th street in Brooklyn is better. quotereportlinkAt 1:36 PM 9 October 2009
Joee wroteQuote:
and my pinto beans are better on gas than your cadillac.


pinto beans are Good...!!!!!!

a side of white rise..YUMMMMMM quotereportlinkAt 5:47 PM 9 October 2009
blackavenger wroteQuote:
i've seen more EDM djs on serato than I've seen hiphop guys on Traktor.

to be honest, the best comparison I've heard is that Serato is pretty much the Technics of DVS - doesn't have the fancy features as the rest (and some might say that it's actually lacking in features it should have) but it's time-tested, and the accepted industry standard for a DVS.

Trakor is probably more like a Vestax or something - considered quality by the users and has many more features, bells and whistles available, but isn't approaching serato in terms of general acceptance in the performing DJ's world (actual, perceived, or otherwise).


I also find that a lot of the guys that champion Traktor rarely even use it as a DVS anymore (see Jeff Mills) but rather go that route when they want to switch to an all-controller style of DJing.

Anyway, I'm very happy with Serato on many levels (especially layout and library management) and I haven't used Traktor Scratch before (i have used an older version of traktor and found it too complicated) but I'm interested in just trying it out just to see what it has to offer...


I agree with this summation.

Well said. quotereportlinkAt 6:39 PM 9 October 2009
FunkyRob wroteI just threw up a little thinking about a kimchi pizza. quotereportlinkAt 8:02 PM 9 October 2009
bandoma wroteQuote:
Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit!


im in chi town and there's an uno's down the street from my hotel. gonna try it.

o and serato fo life! quotereportlinkAt 5:25 PM 11 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteDJ Tech Awards 2009

Single Multiformat Format Player.

(This Shizzz is total bs...)

www.youtube.com view

*Native serato support for tje 3700 in january :) quotereportlinkAt 1:01 AM 12 October 2009
dj_soo wroteQuote:
DJ Tech Awards 2009

Single Multiformat Format Player.

(This Shizzz is total bs...)

www.youtube.com view

*Native serato support for tje 3700 in january :)


bwahaha they have the crowd voting cause zadiela can't vote for pioneer without looking like a complete pioneer shill (even though everyone knows he is).

looks like a bit of a shit show... quotereportlinkAt 9:18 AM 12 October 2009
danielthewave wroteso guys... i have both the audio8 and the sl1 .... the traktor thing is used here by most of the other djs in town so that i'm forced to use it from time to time

BUT the most import thing is the shitty instalation and registration process you have to go through with the traktor thing ... with SSL you simple download the software plug a box in and your rdy to go ....

you can be much more spontaneous with SSL ... quotereportlinkAt 9:18 AM 12 October 2009
PVK01 wroteI've tried Traktor once. All I have to say is Traktor is epic fail when it comes to things you need on the fly. Serato wins IMO. quotereportlinkAt 10:15 AM 12 October 2009
djdragon wroteQuote:
(This Shizzz is total bs...)

www.youtube.com view



This is some pretty pathetic self validation issues on so many levels.
I'm embarrassed for them. quotereportlinkAt 5:15 PM 12 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
Quote:
(This Shizzz is total bs...)

www.youtube.com view


This is some pretty pathetic self validation issues on so many levels.
I'm embarrassed for them.



Blah...

DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Single Multi-Format Player
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital Vinyl System
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - DJ Software
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital USB/FireWire Mixer
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Ultimate Club Mixer
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Compact DJ Midi Controller
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Most Innovative DJ Product
www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 9:15 PM 12 October 2009
djdragon wrote^ Wow! Look at all the self masturbatory reviews DJ gear, like the shit needs to have an award to start with. It looks like almost all of the panel are one step from autofellatio, 'cause they are that fuckin' cool. quotereportlinkAt 9:31 PM 12 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotewhat happened to the consumers votes???
plus dont see any hip hop, tablist djs on the panel???

fuck that!!! quotereportlinkAt 10:51 PM 12 October 2009
djdragon wroteQuote:
what happened to the consumers votes???
plus dont see any hip hop, tablist djs on the panel???

fuck that!!!


Exactly. That was the most biased and narrowest demographic panel of judges i have ever seen. quotereportlinkAt 12:00 AM 13 October 2009
dj_KaSE wroteJust like some people like 1200s and some like CDJs, same thing with Traktor. Some like it, while others like SSL.

As for me, I like 1200s and CDJs, as well as SSL. Who cares about Traktor. quotereportlinkAt 12:01 AM 13 October 2009
dj_KaSE wroteWait, my post didn't go anywhere, did it... oh wellz. quotereportlinkAt 1:06 AM 13 October 2009
skratchworx wroteQuote:
bwahaha they have the crowd voting cause zadiela can't vote for pioneer without looking like a complete pioneer shill (even though everyone knows he is).

Actually, that's quite unfair. James is a very fair and open minded guy. Having judged with him on a previous DJ Mag awards (not a public one mind), he was very carefully weighing up the pros and cons of all gear. And in several product groups voted against Pioneer. And at this year's show, he made some extremely balanced decisions - even voting against products he uses.


Quote:
Exactly. That was the most biased and narrowest demographic panel of judges i have ever seen.

Actually it's very wide for the DJ Mag market, which is dominated by EDM. In Europe and especially the UK, Hip Hop and turntablism is a very long way down the list in terms of popularity. The one I judged on 3 years ago did have a wider range of DJs, but times have changed and DJ Mag - like any other business - has to focus on their core audience. If this had been the Remix Mag awards, the results would have been very different.

I really wouldn't get worked up about the awards - it's only opinion after all and not fact. Personal preference doesn't make something true. However, from a product marketing perspective, if an incredibly capable product like the Denon DN-S3700 can put a "best CD deck" sticker on the ads then it's all good. I despise the sheep mentality where "industry standard" means "best". It doesn't at all - it is entirely dependent on the user and their requirements. If more minds can be opened to look at different products and give them some credibility then that's a good thing in my book. quotereportlinkAt 4:36 PM 13 October 2009
sixxx wroteDoesn't this


Quote:
Actually, that's quite unfair. James is a very fair and open minded guy. Having judged with him on a previous DJ Mag awards (not a public one mind), he was very carefully weighing up the pros and cons of all gear.





Contradict this?


Quote:
I really wouldn't get worked up about the awards - it's only opinion after all and not fact.



Anyway, I don't pay attention to this crap.... just use what best works for me and keep it moving. quotereportlinkAt 5:29 PM 13 October 2009
DJ GRIAL wroteSerato is the only software that gives me peace of mind, I been using it since it came out. I done over 1000 gigs already with SL with not a single crash or audio drop.

I don't care about extras all I care is stability.

I tested TS with the same setup I was using with Serato. I had too many problems like Audiodrops, Calibration, Sound problems.... I never took it to a gig I was too scared to use it outside my house.

For me Serato is way better... quotereportlinkAt 11:51 PM 13 October 2009
mrdj5150 wroteI own both and I've used both at live events, TS and SSL are BOTH good products...it really is quite silly to argue which one is better......its actually good that there are companies competing with one another....otherwise we would be just left with version 1.0 ........at the end of the day just use whatever works best for you

Cheers quotereportlinkAt 12:20 AM 14 October 2009
soon-2-be-ex-FS2user_2.0 wroteTS = twans sensuwal quotereportlinkAt 2:05 AM 14 October 2009
al83 wroteQuote:
what happened to the consumers votes???
plus dont see any hip hop, tablist djs on the panel???

fuck that!!!

FYI the UK DJ Mag is primarely a House/Dance magazine, but yeah they should of at least had 1 representive from the tablist scene. quotereportlinkAt 3:14 AM 14 October 2009
ChrisD wrote

Quote:
its actually good that there are companies competing with one another....otherwise we would be just left with version 1.0

Agreed. quotereportlinkAt 3:22 AM 14 October 2009
DJ Jinnai wrotetraktor = nothankyou! quotereportlinkAt 5:22 AM 14 October 2009
rlaci wrotei'm waiting for the new rane mixer :P quotereportlinkAt 7:42 AM 14 October 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotei never used traktor scratch pro. but i have used traktor quite a lot in the past and i did like it ... UNTIL ... i found Serato ScratchLIVE. now i look at the screen shots in those vids and i'm like, man - the GUI is so plain yet so cluttered in traktor & traktor scratch pro. Serato just looks way better & cleaner, before getting into any tech details. Lol quotereportlinkAt 8:49 AM 14 October 2009
DJ Schematic wroteQuote:
Quote:
lombardi's pizza, off of mott and spring. fughedaboutit!
best pie in town.



L&B's Spumoni Gardens on 86th street in Brooklyn is better.


i gotta try that next time im in town.

have you tried two boots pizza off of Ave A & 3rd? now that's some good pie.
dont forget to try the crawfish topping. quotereportlinkAt 1:39 PM 14 October 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
Serato is the only software that gives me peace of mind, I been using it since it came out. I done over 1000 gigs already with SL with not a single crash or audio drop.


www.flickr.com

This happened 3 times this weekend. And no, there was no corrupted files. All my files are analyzed.

This is what Andy W from Serato said...

"I checked out your crash log, Scratch Live was unloading the hardware interface at the time, so unless you had deliberately unplugged it I'd say it's time to check your cables and USB sockets. It's possible however that a massively long USB dropout can also cause Scratch Live to think that the box has been unplugged, did you see any symptoms that might suggest this?"

Now that's scary. The USB cable is the original USB cable that came with the 57. It's also hooked up to the 57 and it's NEVER disconnected as it's a permanently installed at the club.

Now check this one out.

www.flickr.com

Notice the empty space in the middle? Yup, that's where Video SL supposed to be. Video SL went missing during my gig. Had to restart to bring it back to life.

Again, this is what Andy W said about this problem.

"I've seen this once but haven't been able to reproduce it. If you see this again please try to remember what happened beforehand in order to help us reproduce it..." quotereportlinkAt 1:52 PM 14 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteSerato seemed like they didn't really give a shit about winning anything.
No demoing of new features, ie Livefeed or looproll, SP6
Dudes had questions and Sam and old man McRane were not really ready to give good applications to such features.
33,000 Djs have Serato and you guys couldnt get someone to demo shit like Traktor did?
They brought their video of little Atrak wannabe with his maschine and looproll box doing shit that I have been doing for 6 months with serato.
Bottom line, Traktor wanted it more and won because of proper presentation of their product.
Throwing an SL3 box on the floor is not exactly a demo of the new box guys.
Maybe on the next one you guys will step yer game up! quotereportlinkAt 2:10 PM 14 October 2009
CMOS wroteMaybe they are in the camp of "who gives a shit about awards, we sell more product".

Id be curious to know whos moved more units. Serato or NI? quotereportlinkAt 8:55 PM 14 October 2009
dj_KaSE wrote*steals DJ Woody's song selection"

Alejandra into Belanova. Thanks for the idea, lol quotereportlinkAt 9:55 AM 15 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Saying we don't give a shit is a little disturbing. We give a shit. quotereportlinkAt 9:59 AM 15 October 2009
mastermind wroteQuote:
Saying we don't give a shit is a little disturbing. We give a shit.


Chad..... I KNOW that you guys care about the product. there has been plenty of time where i needed help and one of you guys came to the rescue!! but in the video it did seem a lil dry when it came down to a demo of SL quotereportlinkAt 11:36 AM 15 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

That could be true, we'd like to be 100% all of the time but maybe it was an off day for those guys. quotereportlinkAt 12:26 PM 15 October 2009
speedprogress wrotei was using SL for 3 years ! and it was fenomenal experience !
but i got traktor and now it has all stuf for future pleasure that SL is missing now !
i hope you guys know what i mean .

i respect SL , but now traktor who is leading the market ...
as soon you guys realize this, you will move on and maybe try to upgrade SL and make it top DVS again ...

no pain no gain ... quotereportlinkAt 2:55 PM 15 October 2009
Logisticalstyles wroteQuote:

now traktor who is leading the market ...
as soon you guys realize this, you will move on and maybe try to upgrade SL and make it top DVS again ...



So that explains why every DJ at the Hip-Hop honors was using Scratch Live. quotereportlinkAt 5:15 PM 15 October 2009
DJ Nick Lee wroteEveryone except chuck chillout... quotereportlinkAt 10:08 PM 15 October 2009
BERTO wroteproudtobefarmers.com
traktor^

www.myvistathemes.com
serato ssl^ quotereportlinkAt 10:11 PM 15 October 2009
BERTO wrotereason this thread is still going u like traktor go to native instruments forums beat it
this forum has helped perfect ssl and it will be the best over all the others....wait it is already fbardamu.files.wordpress.com quotereportlinkAt 10:18 PM 15 October 2009
BERTO wrotei run my ssl on a grabage pps 867mhz powerbookg4 with 640mb of ram never had a problem....ever cant complain quotereportlinkAt 1:04 AM 16 October 2009
al83 wroteOne thing to say, NAMM 2009. quotereportlinkAt 1:04 AM 16 October 2009
al83 wroteerr 2010 I mean lol quotereportlinkAt 1:06 AM 16 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotefail..lol quotereportlinkAt 3:47 AM 16 October 2009
lost vegas wroteTS= twat smuggler quotereportlinkAt 8:29 AM 16 October 2009
DJ Schematic wroteQuote:
Quote:
Serato is the only software that gives me peace of mind, I been using it since it came out. I done over 1000 gigs already with SL with not a single crash or audio drop.


www.flickr.com

This happened 3 times this weekend. And no, there was no corrupted files. All my files are analyzed.

This is what Andy W from Serato said...

"I checked out your crash log, Scratch Live was unloading the hardware interface at the time, so unless you had deliberately unplugged it I'd say it's time to check your cables and USB sockets. It's possible however that a massively long USB dropout can also cause Scratch Live to think that the box has been unplugged, did you see any symptoms that might suggest this?"

Now that's scary. The USB cable is the original USB cable that came with the 57. It's also hooked up to the 57 and it's NEVER disconnected as it's a permanently installed at the club.

Now check this one out.

www.flickr.com

Notice the empty space in the middle? Yup, that's where Video SL supposed to be. Video SL went missing during my gig. Had to restart to bring it back to life.

Again, this is what Andy W said about this problem.

"I've seen this once but haven't been able to reproduce it. If you see this again please try to remember what happened beforehand in order to help us reproduce it..."


people still like reggaeton? quotereportlinkAt 8:35 AM 16 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^thats not reggaeton, it's more like Spanish pop quotereportlinkAt 10:00 AM 16 October 2009
zykill wroteQuote:
Just more reinforcement of my intense distrust about most of what passes as DJ-related journalism.[/qoute]

I get the same feeling more and more regarding Skratchworx...quotereportlinkAt 10:17 AM 16 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteQuote:
That could be true, we'd like to be 100% all of the time but maybe it was an off day for those guys.


Not the day to have "off"

Those dudes passed at a chance to represent correctly.
For example:
Serato needs to have a clear and commanding response to the latency question that was asked.
A simple demonstration could have proved why they are the best, because the verbal explanation fell flat.
That conversation was probably the tipping point for some judges.

Next time, Y'all need to demo some real capabilities. quotereportlinkAt 11:27 AM 16 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Good and honest input. I like that, thank you. quotereportlinkAt 11:29 AM 16 October 2009
Millz wroteYou could just hire me to travel around the world demoing not only SSL but Video SL as well...being a audio and video remixer, I could create custom audio and video content exclusive for marketing and selling Rane/Serato products...I already have a good relationship with Dean and Mike ;) quotereportlinkAt 12:40 PM 16 October 2009
DJ-NEO wroteQuote:
NAMM 2009.

Man Cant Wait quotereportlinkAt 2:32 PM 16 October 2009
djdannyd wroteQuote:
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NAMM 2009.

Man Cant Wait



Can't wait for what? It already passed. quotereportlinkAt 3:45 PM 16 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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That could be true, we'd like to be 100% all of the time but maybe it was an off day for those guys.


Not the day to have "off"

Those dudes passed at a chance to represent correctly.
For example:
Serato needs to have a clear and commanding response to the latency question that was asked.
A simple demonstration could have proved why they are the best, because the verbal explanation fell flat.
That conversation was probably the tipping point for some judges.

Next time, Y'all need to demo some real capabilities.


I was gonna say you've been crossed off the Xmas list, BUT I smell you on this!

+10 for pushing representation! quotereportlinkAt 6:46 PM 16 October 2009
DJ Unique wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
NAMM 2009.

Man Cant Wait



Can't wait for what? It already passed.


LOL
I'm sure he meant 2010. quotereportlinkAt 7:50 PM 16 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
That could be true, we'd like to be 100% all of the time but maybe it was an off day for those guys.


Not the day to have "off"

Those dudes passed at a chance to represent correctly.
For example:
Serato needs to have a clear and commanding response to the latency question that was asked.
A simple demonstration could have proved why they are the best, because the verbal explanation fell flat.
That conversation was probably the tipping point for some judges.

Next time, Y'all need to demo some real capabilities.


I was gonna say you've been crossed off the Xmas list, BUT I smell you on this!

+10 for pushing representation!


I think I should be added to the list of people to go to, to represent the software.

Because I know what it can do.



Quote:
Good and honest input. I like that, thank you.


Your welcome. quotereportlinkAt 7:51 PM 16 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteoops...

*You're quotereportlinkAt 7:57 PM 16 October 2009
DJ Unique wroteQuote:
I think I should be added to the list of people to go to, to represent the software.

Because I know what it can do.

I vote for Kool DJ Sheak One to represent SSL. quotereportlinkAt 11:13 PM 16 October 2009
DJ-NEO wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
NAMM 2009.

Man Cant Wait



Can't wait for what? It already passed.


LOL
I'm sure he meant 2010.

lol yea i did mean 2010 quotereportlinkAt 12:28 AM 17 October 2009
Charlie wrotethe DJ journalism industry is seriously bullshit. All the magazines, awards, etc. I don't personally know a single PRO dj who uses Traktor and virtually everyone swears by serato. quotereportlinkAt 1:02 AM 17 October 2009
djdannyd wrotefudgegraphics.com quotereportlinkAt 6:08 PM 17 October 2009
Zion-Prayz wroteToo bad Traktor didn't spend as much time representing their customers or a lot of us SSl-heads might still be using Traktor. I'll stick with the guys who stay home and make an honest effort to make sure their customers are taken care.

Yes, we're still bitter about Final Scratch and no we won't get over it ...well actually we did when we bought SSL...we just don't intend to forget :) quotereportlinkAt 1:27 AM 18 October 2009
Phil Anthony wroteCalled Rane Friday afternoon with a tech question about my 57. Zach answered the phone on the second ring. Answered what I thought was a pretty technical question in under a minute then we shot the shit for three. Good luck getting that kind of support from another company. Rane has been there for me anytime I needed anything. As a consumer my top three list of requirements for technology purchases go like this.

1. Usability
2. Stability
3. Support

which pretty much encapsulates Rane and Scratchlive.

And just so you don't think I'm just some fanboi, I still hate the 57 effects to the point of rarely to never using them when I perform. No product is perfect but Rane/Serato seem to consistently strive to up the ante when it comes to features, stability etc... quotereportlinkAt 1:34 AM 18 October 2009
dj_KaSE wroteLet's have the 57's effects sounds just like Pioneer's EFX machines.
=) quotereportlinkAt 1:42 AM 18 October 2009
Millz wrotegood luck, no offense but theres not enuf buttons;) quotereportlinkAt 9:09 AM 18 October 2009
DVDjHardy wroteQuote:
Called Rane Friday afternoon with a tech question about my 57. Zach answered the phone on the second ring. Answered what I thought was a pretty technical question in under a minute then we shot the shit for three. Good luck getting that kind of support from another company. Rane has been there for me anytime I needed anything. As a consumer my top three list of requirements for technology purchases go like this.

1. Usability
2. Stability
3. Support

which pretty much encapsulates Rane and Scratchlive.

And just so you don't think I'm just some fanboi, I still hate the 57 effects to the point of rarely to never using them when I perform. No product is perfect but Rane/Serato seem to consistently strive to up the ante when it comes to features, stability etc...


Right on. Both Shaun and Zach have helped me so many times. They even went over the EFX on 57 with me and I'll just say that I don't miss hooking up an EFX 500 all the time! quotereportlinkAt 9:10 AM 18 October 2009
DVDjHardy wroteAlso for those referring to missing bells and whistles...ScratchLive has VSL. quotereportlinkAt 12:14 PM 18 October 2009
djdannyd wroteQuote:
Let's have the 57's effects sounds just like Pioneer's EFX machines.
=)


let's not have them "just"...let's have them "better"..... quotereportlinkAt 5:17 AM 19 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Quote:
Serato seemed like they didn't really give a shit about winning anything.
No demoing of new features, ie Livefeed or looproll, SP6
Dudes had questions and Sam and old man McRane were not really ready to give good applications to such features.
33,000 Djs have Serato and you guys couldnt get someone to demo shit like Traktor did?
They brought their video of little Atrak wannabe with his maschine and looproll box doing shit that I have been doing for 6 months with serato.
Bottom line, Traktor wanted it more and won because of proper presentation of their product.
Throwing an SL3 box on the floor is not exactly a demo of the new box guys.
Maybe on the next one you guys will step yer game up!

I must agree that the demonstrations (if they can be called as such) were not good. It looked like they were improvised. Maybe the plans were different and someone got sick or something? I mean I can't understand that Rane or Serato did not take the whole thing seriously. Plus at the BPM show AFAIK they had a few good DJ's with them.

Let's hope it get's better next year.

The video demo of Traktor was kicking, really kicking ass. Rafik showed in a few seconds what could be done with Traktor Scratch Pro - Dopeness on point! quotereportlinkAt 5:20 AM 19 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Esp. the "DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - DJ Software" demo. But this also applies to the "DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital Vinyl System" demo. Throwing the SL3 to the floor and then... what... claim that it still works, but not showing that it works. It would had been cool if a DJ had demoed a few features. quotereportlinkAt 6:50 AM 19 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteLooks like you're off their Xmas list too.... quotereportlinkAt 11:38 AM 19 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wrotehaha! quotereportlinkAt 11:40 AM 19 October 2009
Millz wroteho! hoe! haoooooooooooooo! quotereportlinkAt 1:28 PM 19 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
haha!


Man listen...

If they kicked y'all off, I'm on the comeup...so... quotereportlinkAt 6:48 PM 19 October 2009
JD wroteIm a long time Serato user and I also own Traktor for just messing with at home... I use SSL for playing out cuz its super reliable...

Sound wise - Traktor takes it. I own a SL1, SL3, and now a Vetax VCI-300 with Itch... take out the boxes and the Audio 8 card... Program vs Program only - it seems the way Traktor deciphers an audio file just makes it stand out. Songs sound so much fuller and nicer.

Serato's customer service and reliable program is what makes it king. quotereportlinkAt 1:01 AM 27 October 2009
Let 'em hate wroteLooks like DJ Craze is back on Serato. Look what hes using at the Roc Raida tribute:

vimeo.com view quotereportlinkAt 3:25 AM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Maybe he was using someone elses laptop, and given that there was a TTM57 he decided to his songs on SSL. Doesn't necessary mean that he is back on SSL, he is still being endorsed by NI. quotereportlinkAt 5:43 AM 27 October 2009
skratchworx wroteI don't think that a Roc Raida tribute show would be the place to throw a hissy fit and insist on Traktor to please his sponsors. I'm sure even NI would agree in this instance. quotereportlinkAt 8:23 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteI started out on traktor and moved over to serato about a year later. Traktor is a great program, it takes more skills to manually beatmatch in traktor than in serato due to the layout. Serato is good but I feel like I am back to sqaure one of djing but am practicing it religously. I think the key to becoming a good dj is hours and hours of prep work. Am i right? quotereportlinkAt 8:23 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wrotebtw, traktors customer service is fucking shit! quotereportlinkAt 8:24 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wrotethats the one thing i could not believe about serato, so fast and efficient when you ask a question, even though most of the people are c*nts when you ask a question they give you b/s answers and hassle your balls! quotereportlinkAt 8:25 AM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Quote:
even though most of the people are c*nts when you ask a question they give you b/s answers and hug your balls!

Welcum to the forums. ;) quotereportlinkAt 8:46 AM 27 October 2009
dj_KaSE wroteQuote:
I started out on traktor and moved over to serato about a year later. Traktor is a great program, it takes more skills to manually beatmatch in traktor than in serato due to the layout. Serato is good but I feel like I am back to sqaure one of djing but am practicing it religously. I think the key to becoming a good dj is hours and hours of prep work. Am i right?


I don't understand what you mean by it takes more skills to beatmatch in Traktor. Are you saying you rely on looking at the screen? quotereportlinkAt 8:49 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteyes thats exactly what i meant. I can do it by ear, but for reassurance, extra help etc serato is much easier. By using traktor I found that i had to use my ear to find out how to beatmatch. When i jumped on serato the first thing i noticed is that i did not need headphones. quotereportlinkAt 8:49 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteTraktor now has a sync function which takes beatmatching out of teh equation. But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks quotereportlinkAt 8:53 AM 27 October 2009
dj_KaSE wroteI think the basics of learning how to mix requires you don't use any visual aids to beat match. As for using four decks, never worked a setup like that but I can imagine it's tough to keep four decks in sync. quotereportlinkAt 8:57 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteFour decks is definately a task to work with, but you can do some pretty wild shit with it. I am a house/electro house dj and I dont need 4 decks to rock a party i am still getting comfortable mixing in general, i found serato is helping me get back to the basics of djing, traktor seemed really advanced, there was alot of stuff you can do especially with the midi mapping aspect. I can see the pro's and con's and right now i am using serato for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it is the industry standard from where I am in toronto, it makes setup and gigging that much easier from my point of view. Secondly, it seems to have taken me back to the basics, no effects all that stuff just solid mixing.. plus its alot of fun to mix on! quotereportlinkAt 9:22 AM 27 October 2009
DVDjHardy wroteQuote:
But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks


Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here. quotereportlinkAt 9:30 AM 27 October 2009
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteSync shmync.
The brain is faster than a computer quotereportlinkAt 10:17 AM 27 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
When i jumped on serato the first thing i noticed is that i did not need headphones.


Just WOW...

So is that important to you? quotereportlinkAt 10:21 AM 27 October 2009
Millz wrotedude so many young djs RELY on looking at the screen...

like ive said in previous posts...

give them 2 cdjs, 2 turntables WITHOUT serato, and they couldnt mix betty crocker. and to me that is WACK...and its what defines NEW SCHOOL djs... quotereportlinkAt 10:26 AM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Quote:
give them 2 cdjs, 2 turntables WITHOUT serato, and they couldnt mix betty crocker. and to me that is WACK...and its what defines NEW JACKS...

Oh yeah. quotereportlinkAt 10:39 AM 27 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks


Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here.


Bacin in the day DJ Cheese used to use 4 Turntables, arranged all on the left in a large square. quotereportlinkAt 10:44 AM 27 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks


Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here.


I bet jeff could of juggled 4 decks w/o auto sync..quotereportlinkAt 11:01 AM 27 October 2009
Caramac wroteI've said it before if a wavie can look at today's music and mix by looking at the screen alone then fair play to them. I look at today's music and can't make out if it's a kick a snare or a bit of mustard coming up next. Everything is squashed to fuck. quotereportlinkAt 11:11 AM 27 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
I've said it before if a wavie can look at today's music and mix by looking at the screen alone then fair play to them.


So, that's impressive to you? (Not trying' to be funny)....

I mean, could reading waves become an "Art" in the future?

Awww....man... quotereportlinkAt 11:32 AM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteWhy the fuck do you guys use serato if u bitch about ppl using waveforums.

go back to your vinyl if and stop complaining about the future u old fucks!!

all u guys do is bitch and complain about ppl using the waveforum who the fuck cares knowing how to beatmatch does not alone make u a good dj.. especially now a days, stop bitching u old wrinkly cranky fucks! quotereportlinkAt 11:43 AM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Quote:
Why the fuck do you guys use serato if u bitch about ppl using waveforums.

Eh... what?

1st. we're talking about waveforms, a wavieforum is somethin different ;)
2nd. guess what, some DJ's really use SSL ... not because of the wavieforms. Yeah.



Quote:
knowing how to beatmatch does not alone make u a good dj.

True. But not knowing how to beatmatch makes you a wavie...form... or forum? Man you got me confused. quotereportlinkAt 12:34 PM 27 October 2009
Caramac wroteQuote:
Quote:
I've said it before if a wavie can look at today's music and mix by looking at the screen alone then fair play to them.


So, that's impressive to you? (Not trying' to be funny)....

I mean, could reading waves become an "Art" in the future?

Awww....man...



Lol minor sarcasm aside have you not noticed how with older tunes you can clearly see what is the bass kick snare etc but as todays music is so over compressed and limited its nearly impossible to tell what is happening just by looking at the wav files? quotereportlinkAt 1:46 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroteNAVE C what you are arguing is pure skill, and the the fact that u lack it. quotereportlinkAt 1:47 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroteand its waveforms...where the fuck did u people learn how to read read what what suckitquickly. quotereportlinkAt 1:51 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroteWhat Im trying to say is simply this...IF you cant close your eyes and acutally feel the music, mix the music and be one with the music...then wtf are you djing for? Oh I forgot your a youngin...your prob djing for free drinks, popularity and whores. quotereportlinkAt 2:04 PM 27 October 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteDizzamn! This NEW guy doesn't understand how we talk to each other. It's sorta like hate/love for one another. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM! We complain to each other. That's what we do. We are freakin' damn Serato family! Here are our b/s cunt responses right now. We "old" f#$ks do it how the music says to do it. Nothing else. Oh yeah, I do it "oldschool" and I'm 25. I'm such an old f#$%! By the way iTunes chooses songs for me and crossfades them. I guess iTunes is a DJ too. Lol. Wait there's an iTunes DJ option. OH NOOOOooooooo! (*sarcasm*)

We help each other here. But it usually is criticism to help you. If it can't handle it, don't talk about it. quotereportlinkAt 2:05 PM 27 October 2009
deezlee wroteyup i'd guess that most people that dj on tractor actually beatmatch by ear, unlike most heads on serato. quotereportlinkAt 2:50 PM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteQuote:
NAVE C what you are arguing is pure skill, and the the fact that u lack it.


how am I lacking skill lol. I can beatmatch how ever the fuck I want. I can of manually but can achieve it 10x faster. If I lack such skill how have I achieved to spin at some of Toronto's hottest clubs throughout the past year. quotereportlinkAt 2:56 PM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

Yeah, ryte.

So... are we talking about wavieforms or not? quotereportlinkAt 3:16 PM 27 October 2009
NAVE C wroteWhatever no point in arguing. I'm just saying u Who cares if u use waveforms to help or even to improve ur set. I have seen ppl use a laptop and mixer destroy a dancefloor. whatever u use along as u kill it then people should respect that. quotereportlinkAt 3:21 PM 27 October 2009
nik39 wrote

No respect to someone who is not able to rock a set without the help of auto[insert whatever]. quotereportlinkAt 3:23 PM 27 October 2009
mastermind wrotelol quotereportlinkAt 4:36 PM 27 October 2009
PVK01 wroteQuote:
Quote:
NAVE C what you are arguing is pure skill, and the the fact that u lack it.


how am I lacking skill lol. I can beatmatch how ever the fuck I want. I can of manually but can achieve it 10x faster. If I lack such skill how have I achieved to spin at some of Toronto's hottest clubs throughout the past year.


So you're basing your "skill" on the importance of beatmatching 10 times faster? What about bars? The way the mix should be layed out? Getting the keys so the mix can sound harmonic?... As I read your comment, it seems to me you lack some "skills". Maybe you should post a mix up and we'll peep it out? Audio aids are much better than trying to type it here LOL quotereportlinkAt 5:13 PM 27 October 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotego live!! i wanna see & hear!! :)
www.stickam.com quotereportlinkAt 6:01 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroteI djed at Toronto's Lime Light and Guv back in 98-99...when you were prob still in diapers. quotereportlinkAt 6:15 PM 27 October 2009
mastermind wroteahhhhhh 98-99 good times! quotereportlinkAt 6:17 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroterememeber the bottom floor of lime light, with the little bridge deal that the chicks used to dance on? they used to have 2 guys walkin around with VHS camcorders doing a live feed to the tvs showing the chicks shakin their asses haha quotereportlinkAt 6:19 PM 27 October 2009
mastermind wrotedid you just say "VHS" this young bucks have NO idea about that!! quotereportlinkAt 6:21 PM 27 October 2009
Millz wroteI prob danced with NAVE C's mom or maybe she was one of the ones that used to hook me in the booth? :) quotereportlinkAt 6:26 PM 27 October 2009
mastermind wrote^^^^^LMFAO quotereportlinkAt 6:52 AM 28 October 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
I've said it before if a wavie can look at today's music and mix by looking at the screen alone then fair play to them.


So, that's impressive to you? (Not trying' to be funny)....

I mean, could reading waves become an "Art" in the future?

Awww....man...



Lol minor sarcasm aside have you not noticed how with older tunes you can clearly see what is the bass kick snare etc but as todays music is so over compressed and limited its nearly impossible to tell what is happening just by looking at the wav files?


I really don't pay that much attention to waveforms like that....lol. quotereportlinkAt 7:29 AM 28 October 2009
Caramac wroteLol I dj like this.

www.scientificamerican.com quotereportlinkAt 10:56 AM 28 October 2009
NAVE C wroteI'll post a mix shortly. quotereportlinkAt 11:36 AM 28 October 2009
FYC / CYFA wroteviewmorepics.myspace.com

traktor does have better bass in a big sound system and we proved it at this show.... but thats the sl1... sl3 is gunna fix that... when i buy it next month... but serato is the illest... any program that has auto sync is wack if u ask me... SERATO 4 LYFE! quotereportlinkAt 11:38 AM 28 October 2009
FYC / CYFA wroteQuote:
yup i'd guess that most people that dj on tractor actually beatmatch by ear, unlike most heads on serato.

NO THEY JUST HIT THE SYNC BUTTON quotereportlinkAt 12:36 PM 28 October 2009
Chad S. wrote

Lets keep it civil guys, please ;) quotereportlinkAt 12:44 PM 28 October 2009
dj hes wroteman i stopped tracking this at the wrong time lol... quotereportlinkAt 6:32 PM 28 October 2009
dj_soo wroteQuote:
Quote:
But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks


Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here.


www.youtube.com view

www.youtube.com view

you'll note he's on serato and vinyl - no auto-mixing involved. quotereportlinkAt 9:10 PM 28 October 2009
djdragon wroteQuote:
Lets keep it civil guys, please ;)



Like engineering or like War? quotereportlinkAt 1:32 PM 29 October 2009
DeezNotes wroteQuote:
Quote:
Quote:
But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks


Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here.


www.youtube.com view

www.youtube.com view

you'll note he's on serato and vinyl - no auto-mixing involved.

Nice. quotereportlinkAt 9:17 PM 31 October 2009
Zion-Prayz wroteThis is too funny...old heads complain about too many features and the new heads complain because there aren't enough features to make it even easier.

Anybody want to tell a story about how back in the day they had to go to and from a gig through 2 feet of snow up hill both ways and they had to pull all of their gear and crates of vinyl on a sled? quotereportlinkAt 12:43 AM 1 November 2009
Dj BuddyLove wroteim old school but & i dont mind, actually i want more features.. :) quotereportlinkAt 4:33 PM 1 November 2009
djdragon wroteQuote:
This is too funny...old heads complain about too many features and the new heads complain because there aren't enough features to make it even easier.

Anybody want to tell a story about how back in the day they had to go to and from a gig through 2 feet of snow up hill both ways and they had to pull all of their gear and crates of vinyl on a sled?



No, the 'old school' just like stability. quotereportlinkAt 6:21 PM 1 November 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotelet me re-phrase
im old school & i dont mind, actually i want more features w/ stability.. :)

lol quotereportlinkAt 7:11 PM 1 November 2009
Dj.Mojo wroteQuote:
Quote:
even though most of the people are c*nts when you ask a question they give you b/s answers and hug your balls!

Welcum to the forums. ;)


Funny thing is: This post is the initializer of its content.
Everything below is the perfect proove of the statement.

Best ways to start flaming here:

3. Try to defeat visual beatmaching
2. Ask for release dates of updates
1. Ask content that is stated in the manual.

...

too lazy to post the other 200 possible reasons. quotereportlinkAt 8:15 PM 1 November 2009
lil vito wroteVisual Beatmatching kicks the heiny! How do you do it?
Also, if this visual thing is in an update, when is that update released?
Oh, and how do i hook up my sl1 to let me play regular vinyl as well as control records?

Thanks, Im new :) quotereportlinkAt 4:52 AM 2 November 2009
Dj.Mojo wroteWhenever I play my SL records I only hear "beeeeep"! What´s wrong?
Should I send my box to Rane? quotereportlinkAt 6:46 AM 2 November 2009
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Whenever I play my SL records I only hear "beeeeep"! What´s wrong?
Should I send my box to Rane?


Nah, send it to me, I'm cheap. quotereportlinkAt 6:53 AM 2 November 2009
al83 wroteQuote:
btw, traktors customer service is fucking shit!

its fucking abysmal, and their mods on their forums are a bunch of proper cretins. you just need to read a selection of their thread titles to realise what a shambles of a product traktor is. quotereportlinkAt 10:06 AM 2 November 2009
PVK01 wroteHas NAVE C posted a mix yet? quotereportlinkAt 3:40 PM 2 November 2009
Dj BuddyLove wrotelol quotereportlinkAt 3:54 PM 2 November 2009
Millz wrotePeople should find out who they are actually talking to on these forums before typing. quotereportlinkAt 3:58 PM 2 November 2009
PVK01 wroteI guess not. lol quotereportlinkAt 4:53 PM 2 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteQuote:
I guess not. lol


Nope. I was wondering the same thing. Lol quotereportlinkAt 4:55 PM 2 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteBeeeeeeeeeeeeep! (15min long) WTF?! :-P J/K! quotereportlinkAt 5:08 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotePosting it right now relax quotereportlinkAt 5:09 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotepeople do have other things to do on the weekend than bang out a mix ;) quotereportlinkAt 5:12 PM 2 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotegotcha. just curious and interested. i love listening to other's mixes. i listen to all of them while i clean the house. i think i downloaded 6 new ones from the "post your mix here" thread. went through 2 of them already. quotereportlinkAt 5:15 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotegreat mine will be up shortly, its taking a while to upload quotereportlinkAt 5:16 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotesays 2 hours lol be patient quotereportlinkAt 5:37 PM 2 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotecool. i'll check it out after i get home. got a gig tonight. maybe (if i remember after some beers) i'll record a small one myself. quotereportlinkAt 5:39 PM 2 November 2009
PVK01 wroteIll check it when I get home aswell.... work wont let me download stuff. quotereportlinkAt 6:22 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotewww.mediafire.com quotereportlinkAt 6:50 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotesoundcloud.com quotereportlinkAt 8:37 PM 2 November 2009
NAVE C wrotelet me know what you think quotereportlinkAt 2:44 PM 3 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrote^^^^ is this on Traktor or ScratchLIVE? quotereportlinkAt 3:31 PM 3 November 2009
CMOS wroteBah, you kids and your hands, we used to scratch with our stumps before EVERYONE just had to have a pair of hands...and not even 1 hand. Two each! You kids will never learn. quotereportlinkAt 2:50 PM 4 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteHey Nave, was that mix done on Traktor or ScratchLIVE? quotereportlinkAt 11:57 PM 4 November 2009
NAVE C wroteTraktor quotereportlinkAt 11:57 PM 4 November 2009
NAVE C wrotealot of 4 decks going there quotereportlinkAt 11:57 PM 4 November 2009
NAVE C wroteill post a serato mix soon, just having trouble recording a good sounding mix, quotereportlinkAt 11:57 PM 4 November 2009
NAVE C wrotei need a good recording program quotereportlinkAt 7:48 AM 5 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotedo have the SL1/SL3/TTM 57SL? quotereportlinkAt 7:49 AM 5 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotei thought so. just curious. were you using the auto sync/beat sync while doing the 4 decks? or was it all by ear? quotereportlinkAt 8:03 AM 5 November 2009
NAVE C wroteI have sl1. Auto sync sometimes. It varies by song. quotereportlinkAt 10:35 AM 5 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wrotegotcha. let me know when you post a serato mix quotereportlinkAt 10:55 AM 5 November 2009
FYC / CYFA wroteauto beat sync is lametastic... quotereportlinkAt 10:57 AM 5 November 2009
Millz wroteI wanna dip my balls in it quotereportlinkAt 11:28 AM 5 November 2009
Axialism wroteIf serato had 4 decks I wouldn't come close to thinking about traktor. But the 4 deck option is sounding really sweet as I find a lot of places in my house music where I could be doing additional layering.

They don't need the crap traktor effects and autosync and all those guaranteed to bug out features, just more deck support. I mean, if my mixer can handle it, I don't think adding 2 decks is any "less authentic" or "wavie" than just 2. quotereportlinkAt 11:40 AM 5 November 2009
Dj.Mojo wroteFrom the faq section:

Where's the third virtual deck for the SL 3? When can we expect a third virtual deck for the SL 3?

In development. Multi deck control has always been on our road map and once our solution is solid, it will be added to a future version of Scratch Live. quotereportlinkAt 11:43 AM 5 November 2009
Axialism wrotedamn. wish i had an sl3. I trust the serato guys a lot more with their performance. Just seeing a "Most embarrasing time your traktor has crashed live" thread on the NI forums is scary enough. quotereportlinkAt 11:51 AM 5 November 2009
Dj.Mojo wroteA third deck would be the only reason for me to upgrade to their new box. quotereportlinkAt 11:58 AM 5 November 2009
Dj.Mojo wroteI just checked the thread you refered to and it cracked me up.
Especially that arrogant stupid "native girl" who never had a crash in five years. quotereportlinkAt 12:45 PM 5 November 2009
DJ PopRoXXX wroteextra deck or decks would be cool. but in a club residency, i don't see the utilization of it every show. i do quick mixes along with a little longer mixes. and with the sampler, you do have plenty to mix with (as long as you have a midi controller). 4 decks at the same time. you start having extra long mixes. but for one off shows ---> extra deck or decks would be dope. quotereportlinkAt 2:53 PM 5 November 2009
DjWoody wroteQuote:
Especially that arrogant stupid "native girl" who never had a crash in five years.


Why is it arrogant? Cuz she never had a crash? I know plenty of people who use Traktor, Virtual DJ, & Serato and never had a crash. On the flipside, I know plenty of people who had plenty of crashes, and that includes me. I used Final Scratch before there was Serato and it never crashed on me. I stopped using it for other reasons.

Traktor, Serato, Virtual DJ, they'e all software. No software is 100% Crash proof. They will all crash eventually. Just wait til it happens to you, I'll meet you on the Help section! lol quotereportlinkAt 2:54 PM 5 November 2009
nik39 wrote

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Especially that arrogant stupid "native girl" who never had a crash in five years.

Oh, BTW, she is really not arrogant. There are some mods where the label would fit, but not her, IMHO. quotereportlinkAt 3:05 PM 5 November 2009
Millz wrotewhy is everyone tryin to get laid? HA HA quotereportlinkAt 3:08 PM 5 November 2009
nik39 wrote

She's a cool guy. Yeah. quotereportlinkAt 6:48 AM 6 November 2009
soon-2-be-ex-FS2user_2.0 wrotesoon-2-be-ex-Tracktoruser quotereportlinkAt 7:17 AM 6 November 2009
al83 wroteQuote:
I just checked the thread you refered to and it cracked me up.
Especially that arrogant stupid "native girl" who never had a crash in five years.

she isn't arragont, a little bit stupid, but more over incredibly unprofessional - for a mod representing NI as a company she's had some right gaffs over the years. like i said before (most of) their mods as a collective are a bunch of idots.

seriously what mods would actively participate in a thread discussing how unstable their product is!! quotereportlinkAt 7:18 AM 6 November 2009
al83 wrote*arrogant quotereportlinkAt 2:38 PM 19 January 2010
Sneaker wroteI tried to use Traktor back in the day but like many others didn't fully "get it". What I mean by that is I thought it was over complicated for what I needed to do.

I am not a big NI fan in general; I have had issues with some of their software. The only product I use from them is Battery 3 because I am familiar with it and it does what I need.

I have been using Serato for a few years now and haven't had any issues, most of the guys/gals I know here in Chicago and around the world use Serato. To this day I have never seen a DJ use Traktor in the club and I have been in a lot of clubs.

The thing I like about SSL is its reliable, solid, and straight forward.

When people say Traktor has better audio then Serato what are people referring to?
48/24 vs. 44.1/16, dynamic range, or maybe internal hardware components?







NAVE C, Not to be mean but I understand why you use your eyes when you DJ, I listened to a couple minutes of your Soundcloud mix and I am deaf. That sh*t is cooked, my ears would fire me...

P.S. you forgot the mash. quotereportlinkAt 6:20 AM 22 August 2010
DJ Steve Smash wrotei only see house DJ's use traktor, Hip-Hop DJ's usually on serato.......

of course im gonna say serato all the way, Every Club i DJ'd in NYC usually already has a Serato hookup, or Rane Mixer!!! but maybe thats just me!!

not trying to say anything about house dj's but high bpm's are easy to mix on traktor because of the bmp automation, lol

holler! quotereportlinkAt 3:51 PM 22 August 2010
DLBreaks wroteyou know why gay dj mag tech whatever gave traktor the best cause of autostink.. traktor is for sucka djs. quotereportlinkAt 10:22 PM 23 August 2010
Theory50000 wroteI tried using the beatgridding feature for synching and didn't like it very much... But I didn't really give it a chance either. I have been using the third deck in serato though and can see how auto sync would be nice especially in conjunction with the bridge. I'm finding that keeping everything in time takes more time to get everything locked up and the mixing has to be a lot tighter as well. What I've been doing with serato is beatmixing to a master tempo track and recording it in Serato by itself at the new tempo. That way the three tracks will mix together perfectly if the pitch settings are all exact on the turntables. I'm sure this workaround is nothing new, but it works. quotereportlinkAt 5:19 AM 24 August 2010
Evon wroteQuote:
you know why gay dj mag tech whatever gave traktor the best cause of autostink.. traktor is for sucka djs.


www.native-instruments.com


Quote:
I tried using the beatgridding feature for synching and didn't like it very much... But I didn't really give it a chance either. I have been using the third deck in serato though and can see how auto sync would be nice especially in conjunction with the bridge. I'm finding that keeping everything in time takes more time to get everything locked up and the mixing has to be a lot tighter as well. What I've been doing with serato is beatmixing to a master tempo track and recording it in Serato by itself at the new tempo. That way the three tracks will mix together perfectly if the pitch settings are all exact on the turntables. I'm sure this workaround is nothing new, but it works.


+1 quotereportlinkAt 8:23 AM 24 August 2010
Logisticalstyles wroteI actually downloaded the demo of Traktor this weekend to see what the fuss was all about. I haven't been able to get it to work yet. I think the demo is only good for 20 days and i have the feeling I might not get around to using it before then. quotereportlinkAt 10:20 AM 25 October 2010
Adis wroteQuote:
Quote From Traktor FaceBook..


Quote:
The Traktor family wins big at the DJ Mag Tech Awards 2009 - "Best DJ Software" for Traktor Pro, "Best DVS" for Traktor Scratch Pro and "Best Audio Interface" for Audio 2 DJ - thanks for your votes!


thats BS..
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!quotereportlinkAt 10:32 AM 25 October 2010
Adis wroteI'm not yet, if ever a master Dj. I've been playing for about three years ( I do play alot though). When I started out, I asked my friend, who's a big Serato supporter to pick me up Serato as he was stateside. The shop was out so he picked me up Traktor instead. For me, Traktor has been rock solid. I know serato is as well & if I had Serato, I'm sure I would love it. I don't really have any preconceived predjudices & as long as I can play, mix & scratch, I'm pretty happy. Last night, we had a guest Dj at very small club in the Virgin islands where I spin. He brought his cdj's & Serato Itch & plugged into my speakers & we alternated sets with me on Traktor. The one difference I heard was that my sound was distictly warmer & fuller. Possibly my mixer has better components, but we were using the same speakers, his tracks were quality so I suspect that maybe Traktor's soundcard is just better. Thoughts? quotereportlinkAt 11:55 AM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

They were not even nominated in the category with the best dj midi controller (not sure about the exact name for the category). It was ruled by Serato... 3 times nominated: Xone DX, VCI300, and V7/NS7 I think.

Oh and Rane/Serato won the award for best club mixer - Rane Sixty-Eight. ;) quotereportlinkAt 11:56 AM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

And congrats to NI for winning the best DVS award - they had an entertaining show. DJ Shiftee was killing it. quotereportlinkAt 1:13 PM 25 October 2010
Wazo wroteim old school with 1.9.2 quotereportlinkAt 1:51 PM 25 October 2010
Dj.Mojo wroteYup, way better than the lame presentation Rane/Serato had to offer. quotereportlinkAt 2:10 PM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

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Yup, way better than the lame presentation Rane/Serato had to offer.

Did you see the presentation from Rane/Serato? quotereportlinkAt 2:12 PM 25 October 2010
mastermind wroteQuote:
Quote:
Yup, way better than the lame presentation Rane/Serato had to offer.

Did you see the presentation from Rane/Serato?


was it the one where sam throws the sl3 on the ground? quotereportlinkAt 2:25 PM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

Do you mean this one, Mojo? quotereportlinkAt 4:12 PM 25 October 2010
Dj.Mojo wroteExactly. quotereportlinkAt 4:14 PM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

That was last year. quotereportlinkAt 4:27 PM 25 October 2010
mastermind wroteyep.....that was a fail quotereportlinkAt 4:40 PM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

My comment was about this years show. Shiftee and his partner had an entertaining show. quotereportlinkAt 5:11 PM 25 October 2010
mastermind wrotei have not seen this years. nik do you have a link? quotereportlinkAt 5:14 PM 25 October 2010
nik39 wrote

I havnet seen any links... i saw it live at the BPM show in Birmingham ;) quotereportlinkAt 6:48 PM 25 October 2010
mastermind wroteNice! Lucky dog!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 2:43 AM 26 October 2010
Dj.Mojo wroteUps ... I better shut up. quotereportlinkAt 2:03 AM 2 December 2010
onijordan wrotefrick I have all DVS program and all their interface
Serato and Traktor is always and always will be neck to neck
serato has free updates and there software is free
Plus great no awsome sound and best interface

Traktor in the other hand traktor has one of the best time code vinyl and CD
and audio interface can do midi in and out

mixvibe come in third
because on their CD

VDJ fourth because of there low cost software and very basic for bigger dj's

i've tested alot of dvs
Serato and traktor too me will always be neck to neck quotereportlinkAt 5:25 AM 2 December 2010
Evon wroteI think most new djs that are looking for a dvs would buy traktor nowadays.
Its cheaper and you can do pretty much everything in Traktor that you can't do in Serato. If you google Serato vs Traktor you will se 90% leaning towards traktor, pluss the comparison by qbert that doesn't help. The other day I Tried to to see what was happening at the NI internett page, but it was down because of overload. There are delivery delays worldwide for the S4 controller because they are out of stock.
If I where a new dj I can find few reasons for not chosing Traktor over Serato.

-It's cheaper
-Got more functions more midi friendly
-Better soundcard hardware specifications
-Percieved as better sound and all over tighter timecode
-Just as stable as Serato

This can be discussed but this is the main things that you will se if you google Serato vs Traktor or best dvs or whatever.

As for me. I'm happy with Serato. It does what I want very well, and I love the interface. But i would deffently love to see Serato steal some of the features from Traktor. quotereportlinkAt 10:50 AM 2 December 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteWhats the difference between traktor scratch pro and tracktor scratch duo?? quotereportlinkAt 10:54 AM 2 December 2010
Dj BuddyLove wroteQuote:
Whats the difference between traktor scratch pro and tracktor scratch duo??


TSD = only 2 deck with cheaper sound card
TSP = 4 deck plus awsome soundcard quotereportlinkAt 11:17 AM 2 December 2010
nik39 wrote

Quote:
Quote:


Whats the difference between traktor scratch pro and tracktor scratch duo??


TSD = only 2 deck with cheaper sound card
TSP = 4 deck plus awsome soundcard

Both have the same AD/DA converters AFAIK, so there should not be a difference between TSD and TSP soundquality wise.

NI has a good marketing team. S4 not being available does not mean a lot. Who knows how big the initial batch was. We can only assume. quotereportlinkAt 12:54 PM 2 December 2010
Konix wrote

TSD also has less effects and features compared to Pro. quotereportlinkAt 11:22 PM 23 December 2010
ArcLyte wroteOK I just found this thread and I just have to add my two cents. First let me say as a Digital DJ you should be familiar with both pieces of software (and Abelton too if you are producing). I just got a brand spanking new Denon DN-MC6000 and I love it. It comes with VDJ in the states but Traktor in Europe. I own Traktor Pro so I am using that over VDJ. After roughly 48 hours I have to say that honestly there is something less fun about using Traktor in my honest opinion. That being said it's cool that I have the option to use it with the hardware I want. However if I had my hearts desire I would be using this amazing piece of kit with ITCH. Maybe the S4 version of Traktor will be more fun to use when it is released next year but as of right now The Traktor layout just is way too busy and just well not fun to look at. I find that as I am working out a set I have really been wishing I was on SSL.

The other kind of annoying thing is the 2 computer limit of Traktor is a real pain. iI have SSl loaded on a number of machines and use the offline player everywhere to mark up my tracks. With Traktor I had to be very contemplative where I would install the software.

I am glad Traktor is around to support the hardware that Serato doesn't but my Traktor setups will not be my main setups. More than half of your message contains capital letters. To many forum users this means you are SHOUTING your message, and is considered bad forum etiquette. Please consider editing your message so that there are fewer capital letters.

Traktor Scratch VS Serato Scratch Live - comparison by Q-bert
quotereportlinkAt 11:54 AM 6 May 2010
ral wrotewww.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 12:41 PM 6 May 2010
Cyberia wrote

I have a strange feeling Q's going over to the dark side of Craptor!!! Don't do it man! quotereportlinkAt 1:37 PM 6 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteGood stuff and it's good to hear the option of a skilled turntablist who tried both. But he may have been using pre-2.0 ssl since he mentioned effects for why he mainly prefers Tracktor. quotereportlinkAt 1:59 PM 6 May 2010
skinnyguy wroteso who's gonna be a qbert-worshiper and jump ship to tracktor? quotereportlinkAt 2:04 PM 6 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wroteFak! Traktor x scratchy Seal CV!!! We need some Serato x Scratchy Seal, please tell
me they are coming quotereportlinkAt 2:06 PM 6 May 2010
Nicky Blunt wroteFuck skratchy seal I wanna know about the duck breaks CV's!!! Im still feenin for those! quotereportlinkAt 2:19 PM 6 May 2010
Sean.C wrote

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But he may have been using pre-2.0 ssl since he mentioned effects for why he mainly prefers Tracktor.


he is....might even be pre 1.9 (kinda looks 1.8ish)

s quotereportlinkAt 2:21 PM 6 May 2010
Nicky Blunt wroteSean any news on the serato Babu collaboration yet?!!! As you can tell Im kinda waiting on this one! quotereportlinkAt 2:31 PM 6 May 2010
DJWALDO wroteit's been said for a while now that traktor is outright more accurate.... i'm not gonna be buying the shit... quotereportlinkAt 3:04 PM 6 May 2010
djkermit wroteNice post! I've a;ways wondered what his thought about Serato / Traktor where. Im curious what the settings on the cpu are .... USB buffer and such ....... using 2.0 would have been nice!
My thoughts are that Traktor is better for studio applications & Serato is better for club/mobile gigs. Although Serato has leveled the playing field with the introduction of the Bridge, 2.0 effects etc. quotereportlinkAt 3:25 PM 6 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteI thought a-trak was on SSL? quotereportlinkAt 3:27 PM 6 May 2010
Nicky Blunt wroteA-Track does use serato quotereportlinkAt 1:43 AM 7 May 2010
j_dim wrotei think he has his threshold settings wrong on serato. quotereportlinkAt 2:02 AM 7 May 2010
al83 wroteQuote:
Nice post! I've a;ways wondered what his thought about Serato / Traktor where. Im curious what the settings on the cpu are .... USB buffer and such ....... using 2.0 would have been nice!
My thoughts are that Traktor is better for studio applications & Serato is better for club/mobile gigs. Although Serato has leveled the playing field with the introduction of the Bridge, 2.0 effects etc.

yep, my thoughts exactly, i use traktor in the studio for trying out mixes, ideas, etc then serato for the serious stuff when i get paid to dj. quotereportlinkAt 2:41 AM 7 May 2010
The Return of Dj Sparky wroteFanyboys to the ready to defend Serato.

trackor does sound better, I guess the 2kHz signal on the timecode vinyl is a lot better than Serato want us to believe quotereportlinkAt 5:13 AM 7 May 2010
nik39 wrote

Just one question: The point where he knocks on the turntables to show how Scratch Live moves a little forth and back, and then he does the same on the Traktor Scratch system... shouldn't he be moving the needle to a position in the song where you can actually hear sometihng and not just silence? How else would you hear whether Traktor is moving forth and back? Did I miss anything?

Also it would be interesting to know which settings have been used on both systems like threshold on SL.

Effects? Well, there ya go, SL 2.0 has effects already :) quotereportlinkAt 5:51 AM 7 May 2010
The Return of Dj Sparky wroteWould it be such a drastic thought that Tractor might be better are people to blinded by fanboyism that they cannot admit it? quotereportlinkAt 6:02 AM 7 May 2010
nik39 wrote

Not sure who you are talking to, but this is not about fanboyism, we are discussing the background of this comparison and which variables might have been unexplained. quotereportlinkAt 7:05 AM 7 May 2010
s3kn0tr0n1c wrotei dont get my track moving if i tap on turntable ....maybe his threshold is too low in that video...


also luvin the poster of the scratch in the background...would love to hear someone do this cut ;) quotereportlinkAt 7:26 AM 7 May 2010
SELECT wroteHes definitely using an older version of serato (3:25 min mark) and we have no idea of what his settings are at. I know mine doesnt sound like that! He also needs to move down his buffer settings, you can hear the lag when he scratches.

So in my opinion his video comparison is shit. He needs to upgrade to 2.0, adjust his settings for scratching and then try again.

Each system has its pros and cons and it all depends on what you the user consider better overall. quotereportlinkAt 7:45 AM 7 May 2010
Konix wrote

Quote:

So in my opinion his video comparison is shit.


This. There are many things wrong with his "comparison" and too many variables he doesn't account for or state.

First off, the laptops are not "the same." Sure, they're both Macbooks, but we don't know the specs of each...CPU, RAM, free hard drive space, etc. (these are all pretty minute points and probably don't affect anything, but scientifically it's still flawed). The same computer does not equal two of the same model of computers. Same = one computer.

And the tapping the turntable = moving SSL deck, any experienced SSL user knows that's a calibration/threshold setting problem. His estimate sliders are too far left. I can get the same thing to happen in Traktor if not calibrated correctly. quotereportlinkAt 8:25 AM 7 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteNow everyone is questioning his pc expertise...
There is no big deal if he prefers tractor... quotereportlinkAt 8:32 AM 7 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteI'd like to put his needles under an electron microscope, I think the SSL needle was a bit off.

I'd also like to know if the Traktor turntable was more level than the SSL turntable.

His baseball hat was also turned to his right... clearly this is a sign that he would be weaker with blue vinyl. Also, did he account for elevation? If he is in San Francisco the elevation might be higher than that of Berlin (home of Native Instruments) making Traktor sound better.

C'MON FOLKS!! IT'S ONE DJ'S PREFERENCE!!

I'm sure he'll get flamed for not using 2.0, but if you've waited this long for a Qbert DVS review, you can wait a little longer for a "correct" review.

You don't have to be a genius to know that even the old claims that "SSL is more reliable" mean nothing today... There are some big names on the Traktor roster would jump ship if there was even a hint of unreliability.

I'm not regretting my purchase of SSL just because Q picked Traktor... I challenge any of you to battle him while he uses Traktor....heh.. didn't think so. quotereportlinkAt 8:38 AM 7 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteQuote:


C'MON FOLKS!! IT'S ONE DJ'S PREFERENCE!!

You don't have to be a genius to know that even the old claims that "SSL is more reliable" mean nothing today... There are some big names on the Traktor roster would jump ship if there was even a hint of unreliability.

I'm not regretting my purchase of SSL just because Q picked Traktor... I challenge any of you to battle him while he uses Traktor....heh.. didn't think so.


Exactly!

Nuff said. quotereportlinkAt 8:40 AM 7 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Now everyone is questioning his pc expertise...
There is no big deal if he prefers tractor...



he barley said that.....mabye i watched a different review but for the most part he said they were head on. I dont see how him saying "if i was blindfolded i couldnt tell the difference between the two" is saying traktor is better. He said (after a HUGE hesitation) that he liked traktor a bit more sonically, as in all the effects n stuff quotereportlinkAt 9:06 AM 7 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteHe emphazied about the slow scratching is better in tracktor and he liked the effects more... His hesitation was probaly because he knows he has the power to sway and doesn't want to offend the serato camp.

But like I said it's not a big deal - even if he tested on 2.0 on a mac/pc prepared by a serato employee and he said I like tractor more - many will still take offence to his preference... quotereportlinkAt 9:14 AM 7 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteWhat I got from it was that both handled the fast scratches really well. Traktor handled the slow scratches a little better (but for the life of me I have no idea who scratches THAT slow), who cares about the moving of the platter (what situations are gonna happen where that will make a difference), not sure what the effects on Traktor are like but for the extra 100 bucks you save on Serato you could buy an FX unit. But all in all I would say that both packages are a good choice. I have chosen Serato cause it was what I seen most DJ's using and have no reason to choose Traktor because Q preferred it sonically. I am pleased with the free software updates and great support from the Serato team (and occasionally the board members lol) so yeah, Serato for me. But hey, Im no fanboy and expect top performance from what I pay for so if Traktor came with something mindblowing then Im all ears, same with any future projects by Serato. quotereportlinkAt 9:19 AM 7 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotefor me its easy...traktor dosent do video...case closed quotereportlinkAt 9:36 AM 7 May 2010
Chad S. wrote

I think he needs to calibrate his deck proper. quotereportlinkAt 9:48 AM 7 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
I think he needs to calibrate his deck proper.


Yeah, stoopid amatuer lmao quotereportlinkAt 9:51 AM 7 May 2010
C. William wroteQuote:
Quote:
Nice post! I've a;ways wondered what his thought about Serato / Traktor where. Im curious what the settings on the cpu are .... USB buffer and such ....... using 2.0 would have been nice!
My thoughts are that Traktor is better for studio applications & Serato is better for club/mobile gigs. Although Serato has leveled the playing field with the introduction of the Bridge, 2.0 effects etc.

yep, my thoughts exactly, i use traktor in the studio for trying out mixes, ideas, etc then serato for the serious stuff when i get paid to dj.


this is what i do too quotereportlinkAt 10:19 AM 7 May 2010
SELECT wroteQuote:
I think he needs to calibrate his deck proper.


Exactly, it would be a better comparison if it were done right. Im surprised no on can hear the lag in his scratches when using serato. Its not calibrated correctly. I wonder if its even his Serato. Anyone who uses it would know how to set it up correctly.

Also lets not forget Dj Revolution used to endorse TORQ. It was the best thing for him, effects, sound quality, etc. Was it any better than Serato or Traktor? quotereportlinkAt 10:30 AM 7 May 2010
Tunecrew wroteto me this is one of those times for Rane/Serato to send Q-Bert a nice new Sixty Eight and a bunch of SSL tee shirts and stickers and maybe invite him to retry his comparison

you can agree or disagree with his comparison, but he his a very high profile person, so his opinion can influence the buying public quotereportlinkAt 10:30 AM 7 May 2010
gevola wrotehey ..
they compare SL1 ( 16 bits ) with Traktor Scratch ( 24 bits ) !!!!! quotereportlinkAt 10:34 AM 7 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteit all boils down to this.....THERE JUST TOOLS ita all in how you use them whatever makes YOU feel the most comfortable stick with it, period. Its all subjective quotereportlinkAt 10:43 AM 7 May 2010
djjoefresh wroteQuote:
it all boils down to this.....THERE JUST TOOLS ita all in how you use them whatever makes YOU feel the most comfortable stick with it, period. Its all subjective


+1 quotereportlinkAt 10:49 AM 7 May 2010
ZESH! wroteThis has got to be one of THE WORST comparison videos I've seen...EVER

Stick to scratchin'...you SUCK when it comes to speaking. I was gonna spit at my monitor if I heard him go "UUUH" again. A good third of the video was about him pausing and trying to figure out what the hell he was going to say next.

He had absolutely NO intelligent arguement for either of the two products. Of course he remembered to use the word sonic and sonically. But wait, he used it in a manner that had very little to do with what he was demonstrating.

Sounds digital?
You can do more STUFF sonically? Does he even know what the word means?

For all you newer DJs...DON'T LISTEN TO THIS CRAP! Of all the features and advantages that BOTH programs posses he must have touched on the WEAKEST one of all...the ability to scratch. WOW!!!

[end fucking rant...for now/]

...side note...The only point he brought up that made any kind of sense is something that I'm affected by. Leaving the needle on the record. the program seems to move forward while the platter doesn't. In effect, having to pay a little more attention to where the point is while the other table's playing. I will recalibrate, and if that doesn't work, I'll bring it up in the suggestion part of the forum. quotereportlinkAt 11:08 AM 7 May 2010
skratchworx wroteQuote:
For all you newer DJs...DON'T LISTEN TO THIS CRAP! Of all the features and advantages that BOTH programs posses he must have touched on the WEAKEST one of all...the ability to scratch. WOW!!!

[end fucking rant...for now/]

But scratching is THE real acid test of any DVS system, and most often the first question asked when people want to know about such things. And with Qbert being the scratch God that he is, it seems quite logical that he would spend his time on scratching. quotereportlinkAt 11:33 AM 7 May 2010
ZESH! wroteQuote:
But scratching is THE real acid test of any DVS system, and most often the first question asked when people want to know about such things

Since when? It might have been YOUR first question...certainly not mine.
I went nuts when I found out you could scratch on such a system. Or that the system knew where to go when I picked up the needle and dropped it somewhere else on the vinyl. But those are not the reasons I bought SSL.

I'm not here to argue the importance of scratching to a DJ or his system's ability at handling such a task. I'm just mentioning the fact that he looked and sounded like an idiot with his comparison.

I might have offended a turntablist when I mentioned scratching being one of the weakest advantages that a DVS unit possesses. Not my intention, my bad. But for the "scratch god" that he is, he could have at least acquired someone to help him with producing a video which makes him sound a bit more reputable. quotereportlinkAt 11:35 AM 7 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotesend qbert a 57-68 using 2.0 and let him do a real test :)

i know serato and traktor are close when it comes to scratching i tried both but i never heard anyone say serato sounds tighter in scratch response.... im just saying :)

im sure serato will upgrade time code and get tighter response sooner or later because they are the best team. quotereportlinkAt 2:26 PM 7 May 2010
Proto J wrotei'd jump ship over to tracktor if i found out their key lock algorithm sounds better.

i'm pretty pissed off with serato for ignoring this issue.

i'll prolly start looking into traktor soon, see what's really up with it... quotereportlinkAt 2:39 PM 7 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wrote^^^^^^^
www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 4:41 PM 7 May 2010
juscuz10 wrotegood stuff, lol quotereportlinkAt 4:57 PM 7 May 2010
nik39 wrote

Quote:
i'd jump ship over to tracktor if i found out their key lock algorithm sounds better.

i'm pretty pissed off with serato for ignoring this issue.

i'll prolly start looking into traktor soon, see what's really up with it...

Their keylock sounds better. Sorry to say. quotereportlinkAt 6:35 PM 7 May 2010
nem0nic wroteI respect QBert a lot, but the stuff he was doing was more of a test of the mixer than the DVS. It was almost all fader technique. To really put a DVS through it's paces, you'd need to hit it with a lot of platter technique. What do rubs, hydroplanes, uzis, and lasers sound like? How about power offs, swipes, and twiddles?

I'd love to see him do a round 2 with an emphasis on platter movement. quotereportlinkAt 6:36 PM 7 May 2010
Dj Ace wroteI wonder did he have the hifi resampler on quotereportlinkAt 8:23 PM 7 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteQuote:
I respect QBert a lot, but the stuff he was doing was more of a test of the mixer than the DVS. It was almost all fader technique. To really put a DVS through it's paces, you'd need to hit it with a lot of platter technique. What do rubs, hydroplanes, uzis, and lasers sound like? How about power offs, swipes, and twiddles?

I'd love to see him do a round 2 with an emphasis on platter movement.


...and you really think he has to do all that just to give his own verdict? Send Q an eMail and tell him about fader technique...yeah, you go and do that. He can test it the way he wants, it's HIS test. Maybe you're confusing Qbert for Giz over at skratchworx. I don't think he has to spend a lot of time to know what he likes... TSP or SSL, if he's feelin' one over the other, then it's his thing, simple as that! quotereportlinkAt 9:15 PM 7 May 2010
BREAKFADER wroteDj A-Trax Dj Fly Dj Netik fuck it Dj kentaro Dj Craze but thats what ever he's feeling that day on what he want to use that night. Scratchlive.........The bridge........free Updates...........etc. quotereportlinkAt 11:54 PM 7 May 2010
JD wroteHe's right about the sound. Is not about SL3 vs Audio 8. They both are great... Its the actual programs. Traktor has a great limiter/compressor and seems to make songs sound more stereo - as if they added a stereo spreader to their output. Overall, songs have deeper bottom and fuller sound on Traktor when playing songs strictly on the programs, without going thru a box. Both programs have their advantages. I own both and enjoy using both based on the gig. quotereportlinkAt 11:55 PM 7 May 2010
JD wroteSerato's GUI is easier to navigate and they make tasks easier while Traktor's is more complex at first. quotereportlinkAt 1:24 AM 8 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteQuote:
I respect QBert a lot, but the stuff he was doing was more of a test of the mixer than the DVS. It was almost all fader technique. To really put a DVS through it's paces, you'd need to hit it with a lot of platter technique. What do rubs, hydroplanes, uzis, and lasers sound like? How about power offs, swipes, and twiddles?

I'd love to see him do a round 2 with an emphasis on platter movement.


That was a test of mixer? How long have you been djing? The mixer had nothing to do with that test. Same mixer on both platforms, they rule eachother out quotereportlinkAt 1:50 AM 8 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteYeah, and fader technique surely tests the latency to the fullest, which is what most scratch DJ's want to know in the first place. quotereportlinkAt 2:36 AM 8 May 2010
DJ Jonasty wroteI love me some Serato, don't get me wrong... but I love me some production too. Too bad I can't use my SL3 as a production interface, had to buy an Audio 8 to do that. Now I can use it with Traktor, Ableton, Maschine, etc... Plus it only cost me $300 for the A8 + Traktor Pro. Dear Serato, please release some drivers so we can use our SL1's and SL3's as interfaces for other programs except SSL. I'm also hoping this bridge gets released soon. How long have we been waiting for this; wasn't it announced in like 2007? quotereportlinkAt 3:11 AM 8 May 2010
BentoSan wroteNeom0nic has been djing a while ;)

Long enough to be picked up by Stanton, so i wouldn't jump the gun and say he doesn't know his shit, cuz he does - can assure you of that.

That said i think its pretty safe to say that Qbert has done plenty of all that stuff on both system before and his analysis wouldn't be just based on what he did in that video.

Lets face it... the DVS capabilities in Trakor and Ableton are pretty much equal with one another and its no longer how good the vinyl implementation is that we should base where we put our money into. Other things are more important, like FX, playhead control capabilities, how well the programs work with other programs (like Serato and the upcomming bridge for instance, or Traktor and its Maschine intergration), how well the looping systems work and how well it integrates with the gear we use - all the stuff that this video didn't really even touch on so much.

Btw - this is coming from someone who doesn't use Traktor or Serato anymore so i don't feel i am blinded by the software that i choose to use. quotereportlinkAt 7:14 AM 8 May 2010
nik39 wrote

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That was a test of mixer? How long have you been djing? The mixer had nothing to do with that test. Same mixer on both platforms, they rule eachother out

I agree. He was doing the same scratches once with real vinyl and then with both dvs. Cant see how that relates to testing the mixer.

Also I think Q can test whatever he likes to test - he is not bound to rules. But if you are in a position like Q then you should be aware of the consequences of such a test... you have some responsibilty, IMHO.

But then... maybe he took the approach 90% of the djs take. They buy the package, dont read any manual etc. Dont tweak the system. No calibration. Just go with it. Thats maybe why he didnt go into explaining the variables. quotereportlinkAt 8:45 AM 8 May 2010
nem0nic wroteQuote:
...and you really think he has to do all that just to give his own verdict?

No, he can certainly has the right to his own opinion. I'm simply pointing out that the things he was doing weren't a good test of the DVS software.


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That was a test of mixer? How long have you been djing? The mixer had nothing to do with that test.


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Yeah, and fader technique surely tests the latency to the fullest, which is what most scratch DJ's want to know in the first place.

No, fader technique has absolutely NOTHING to do with DVS performance, since the faders sit outside the DVS environment. The same "latency" exists in the faders whether it's a DVS being fed into the channel or a regular record. The job of a DVS is to interpret timecode into a play position - all platter performance.

The techniques Q was doing all involved complicated fader movements, but mostly simple rocking of the platter - which is no test of a DVS. If you really want to test a DVS, listen to things like how clean and distinct rubs and hyrdoplanes sound. How precisely swipes are interpreted. These are the subtle platter movements that make all the difference in DVS performance.

I'm not picking on Q at all. What I AM saying is that I would love to see him do more of these videos. He's one of a handful of people on the planet that can really shine a light on DVS performance, and that feedback would be valuable for everyone. quotereportlinkAt 9:01 AM 8 May 2010
howcome wroteI just saw this over at the TSP forum at NI:

Taken from the text comments on YouTube:

Q: how did u get super seal on one side and a time code on the other>>?

A: A collab record of skratch sounds by thudrumble licensed by traktor, available soon at the thudrumble site ! Vinyl meets digital!

Very interesting. quotereportlinkAt 10:28 AM 8 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotehowcome i agree. traktor has swiped qbert :) ( time code on flipside of traktor time code )

i do agree that he should do a pt 2 and add how to calibrate both systems...

to be honest serato will take a little hit with qbert being sponsored by traktor they already have the majority of EDM djs across the world and with qbert on the team it will open alot of turntablist eyes :

im sure that serato will upgrade a few things like they always do and its free....
regardless i would not jump ships because of stability and i been using serato since 2005. quotereportlinkAt 10:40 AM 8 May 2010
formulated wrotethud rumble used to sell battle records as MP3's.. they don't anymore, which stings, and this video is just rubbing it in. already got plenty of real battle records, but at less than half the price i'd rather download stuff, at least it won't wear out. quotereportlinkAt 10:40 AM 8 May 2010
nik39 wrote

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qbert being sponsored by traktor

Links? Where do you have that info from? quotereportlinkAt 11:07 AM 8 May 2010
djdannyd wroteThe hell with Q, long live "The Beat Junkies"!!! quotereportlinkAt 11:32 AM 8 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotedont have info.....just saying :) quotereportlinkAt 12:00 PM 8 May 2010
JD wroteIm a super long time Serato user but why does another system ruffle all your feathers. Be happy there are competing products... it makes the products better for us. Serato 2.0 is great but lets be real - the new features are older Traktor features.. they all need each other. We all benefit from competition... quotereportlinkAt 12:29 PM 8 May 2010
Evon wroteI tried Traktor at a friends house the other day. And I must say that Traktor felt more like a real vinyl mixing EDM (really annoys me). I didn't have to ride the pitch all the time as you do in Serato. I was like "damn". And which I tried both products before I bought Serato.
I sure hope Serato dev. team will address this problem.
I now understand why many EDM djs go Traktor :(
I use SL3 and technics 1200s. So does my friend. quotereportlinkAt 12:37 PM 8 May 2010
JD wroteYup.. I noticed that too.. it was like using real vinyl - you can put the record on beat, walk away, and itll still stay on beat.. the pitch doesnt fluctuate. Great for long mixing. quotereportlinkAt 12:47 PM 8 May 2010
Evon wroteQuote:
Yup.. I noticed that too.. it was like using real vinyl - you can put the record on beat, walk away, and itll still stay on beat.. the pitch doesnt fluctuate. Great for long mixing.


/agree

And I only play EDM music so I might have to buy TSP. I just hope Serato adress this problem soon so I can save my $$ and all my work on arranging my library and cuepoints :( quotereportlinkAt 12:49 PM 8 May 2010
farrell wroteQbert had a Kanye moment here folks! quotereportlinkAt 1:02 PM 8 May 2010
farrell wroteAnd wait is he comparing usb1.1 with usb2.0 .

Guys I think we need to evaluate his education on computing first of all.

He doesn't know the difference poor guy.

But seriously he is not all that anymore. You can do more with Serato than he could ever imagine.

This is just his way of getting in the mix of things when peoples projects ready to drop.

Why he didnt do this when the sl3 first came out.

This is weak!!! quotereportlinkAt 1:16 PM 8 May 2010
nik39 wrote

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He doesn't know the difference poor guy.

Seriously... he doesn't need to know. Usb1 or 2 - who cares? The products should work. Period. quotereportlinkAt 1:36 PM 8 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotehe is not all that anymore? are u serious ? lol quotereportlinkAt 1:45 PM 8 May 2010
BentoSan wroteQuote:
he is not all that anymore? are u serious ? lol


That cracked me up too :p quotereportlinkAt 2:19 PM 8 May 2010
thxj wroteI think Q is doing entry level or out of the box comparison. we need to respect it. we don't need to press panic button. when it’s come to real world or real club setups or live performances Scratch Live rules. bcoz of its stability and product support.

It’s good to have a competitor. quotereportlinkAt 2:24 PM 8 May 2010
Dj Ace wroteLook bashing and justifying the video is pointless it is HIS OPINION...he even said that both software have advantages and since we all know the 2.0 has leveled the playing field or even slightly tilted it in serato's favor fanboy-ism is pointless. I am very happy with Serato and I believe with 2.1 and the bridge Serato/Ableton collab will push serato very far ahead traktor but I believe traktor (a very good product) will continue to compete which is very good for consumers (think PS3 vs Xbox's) quotereportlinkAt 2:28 PM 8 May 2010
DJ Ritmo wroteI like serato better than Torq so that all that matters to me quotereportlinkAt 5:23 PM 8 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteQuote:
regardless i would not jump ships because of stability and i been using serato since 2005.


is this "stability" argument still alive in 2010 ?!?!?!?!

Hawtin has an insane tour schedule, as does Carl Cox and the like... I've said it before and i'll say it again... these dudes are staking their entire reputation on TSP, you can't be serious about questioning the stability of Traktor.

The TSP folk could argue the same about SSL... have you even seen our support forum???

Scratch Live Help Scratch Live Help Requests 210065 messages (5721 new)
Scratch Live Feature Suggestions What features would you like to see in Scratch Live?35934 messages (562 new)

over 210 THOUSAND! help requests, and 35 thousand feature requests!

I'm sure TSP has their share too.... keep in mind that SSL came out after Final Scratch had already been beaten to death by the DJ community by the vinyl purists and the technical shortcomings. This "stability" argument is vapor and has been for the last couple of years at least.

Given Q's status in the scene, I'm sure it burns that one of the best turntablists ever to lay a hand on a record has given the edge to TSP, but he's no more an authority on your style and feel than we are on his. Petty arguments regarding his test setup are useless. Either system is prone to "pwnage" status until their next update.

Do you think Native Instruments are going to be blindsided by Bridge??? They have an R&D department too ya know! This is good for both camps... every update will bring new features.

If you've got Qbert money, buy both systems and do your own review (personally I'd leave I'd leave it to Skratchworx.com

He's not using an SL3!, USB 1.1!, Fader Technique!..."I'm an awesome DJ and I have SSL, how could Q not want it too?" WAH WAH WAH

As far as I'm concerned, Q can pick whatever he wants because he's invented most of the scratches that the scene considers the defacto standard.

Let's move on. quotereportlinkAt 5:40 PM 8 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteCorrection: Richie Hawtin doesn't use TSP, he uses a combination of Traktor DJ Studio 3.xx and Ableton. Regardless, The stability argument was dead when Traktor DJ Studio was the lasted version too. quotereportlinkAt 7:36 PM 8 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
And wait is he comparing usb1.1 with usb2.0 .

Guys I think we need to evaluate his education on computing first of all.

He doesn't know the difference poor guy.

But seriously he is not all that anymore. You can do more with Serato than he could ever imagine.

This is just his way of getting in the mix of things when peoples projects ready to drop.

Why he didnt do this when the sl3 first came out.

This is weak!!!


Jesus...there are some retards about...it was a quick video explaining a few points about the differences in the 2 systems, get over it you clowns. Why do you need someone to tell you which is better/. If ya happy with said product then thats all that should matter. These boards can really throw up the most innane, pointless arguments known to man. By the way farrell, are you really saying q aint all that and that you can do more with serato than he will ever know..hahahaha....he could do more with 1 fisher price deck than you could do with a whole bunch of equipment, jackass. quotereportlinkAt 8:22 PM 8 May 2010
DjWoody wroteWhat I wanna know is what vinyl was he using for Traktor. That one said TEST PRESSING and it had scratch sample. I want it! lol

About price, Traktor comes in different DVS packages starting at $349 for Traktor Scratch Duo and $599 for Traktor Scratch Pro.

Serato on the other hand starts at $539 for the SL1 and $699 for the SL3. Obviously, you can find both cheaper. My Traktor Scratch Pro costed me $469 out the door at Guitar Center.

Oh and I agree that stability issues are a thing of the past. They're both up to par.

Ever since I bought Traktor, there's been about 4 updates and I haven't paid for any of them. They all been free. I'm sure they'll charge for the major point upgrade, 1.2 to 1.3 or to 2.0 or whatever. But so far, they all been free and pretty constant. I have a feeling they're gonna release a new version in June because they have a FREE upgrade promotion on their site right now. Every time NI has done that to other products, it usually means new product announcement or new version upgrade.

Eitherway, they're both great products. quotereportlinkAt 12:08 AM 9 May 2010
FunkyRob wroteI was at guitar center this morning and they had a sign that they were selling Traktor Duo for only $99.

I don't know if it's a special or what but that is hella cheap. quotereportlinkAt 12:34 AM 9 May 2010
DJ A Smooth wroteI'm not afraid to say, even though Traktor has some better effects, etc. Scratch Live is the industry standard. Hell it might even more standard than technics.. The whole entire world knows what Serato is, ask a 13 year old what Technics is? they probably don't know, I bet you they know what Serato is.. lol quotereportlinkAt 1:08 AM 9 May 2010
BentoSan wroteQuote:
Ever since I bought Traktor, there's been about 4 updates and I haven't paid for any of them. They all been free. I'm sure they'll charge for the major point upgrade, 1.2 to 1.3 or to 2.0 or whatever. But so far, they all been free and pretty constant. I have a feeling they're gonna release a new version in June because they have a FREE upgrade promotion on their site right now. Every time NI has done that to other products, it usually means new product announcement or new version upgrade.


You pay for major updates, like from 1.6 to 2.0 - but you will never pay from 1.6 to 1.7 for example. quotereportlinkAt 1:57 AM 9 May 2010
ninos wroteQuote:
I'm not afraid to say, even though Traktor has some better effects, etc. Scratch Live is the industry standard. Hell it might even more standard than technics.. The whole entire world knows what Serato is, ask a 13 year old what Technics is? they probably don't know, I bet you they know what Serato is.. lol

im 14 and i know wat serato and technics is. haha quotereportlinkAt 2:32 AM 9 May 2010
Maskrider wroteLet's not get uptight about Q's review. quotereportlinkAt 3:06 AM 9 May 2010
dj_soo wrotei find it amusing that people here have their panties in such a wad cause Q likes Traktor a tiny bit better than serato.

Still curious to try TSP - I tried an older version of traktor and couldn't stand the library management and have never used it since... quotereportlinkAt 5:55 AM 9 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteQuote:
I'm not afraid to say, even though Traktor has some better effects, etc. Scratch Live is the industry standard. Hell it might even more standard than technics.. The whole entire world knows what Serato is, ask a 13 year old what Technics is? they probably don't know, I bet you they know what Serato is.. lol


You can't be serious...

I'm not sure how old you are, or how long you've been DJing, but it might be worth your while to at least visit Wikipedia.org for some info...

en.wikipedia.org

I know there are a few fanboys on here, but geez! Scratch Live is the industry standard?!?!?!? where's your supporting data?

At least saying "SSL is better than Traktor" is arguable, but to say it's more of a standard than the 1200..the turntable that is in just about every Hip Hop video where there's a DJ shown? the turntable that is most copied? the turntable whose production started in the early 70's?

oh brother. quotereportlinkAt 7:43 AM 9 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wrote^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I get your point fully but can never respect someone as much when they use wikipedia as their source of information. quotereportlinkAt 8:22 AM 9 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteYou guys CAN'T be serious.

Q said he favors Traktor by a SMIDGEN. So what?

And all those "variables"...Are you all saying that ALL of them worked AGAINST SERATO?

C'mon now...

Ok, let's say he didn't have Serato tweaked to the best possible setting....

Who's to say he had TRAKTOR tweaked to the best possible setting?

Let's say, he didn't "Read The Manual" for Serato, and just "set it up"..

Who's to say that he didn't "Read The Manual" for TRAKTOR?

The same goes with the Laptop settings, and any OTHER variables you can toss in there.

Are you saying he's got the LATEST version of TRAKTOR vs. Serato? Suppose he's using old versions of BOTH, and Traktor STILL has the edge...

What do you say then?

Is it possible that Traktor just works better OUT OF THE BOX?

The only thing I REALLY agree with here is, say have Serato send Q the latest and greatest of their product, and see if that changes the outcome.


Quote:
But if you are in a position like Q then you should be aware of the consequences of such a test... you have some responsibilty, IMHO.


RIGHT! And his "responsibility" to the DJ's, not the corporations...

If he puts it OUT THERE based on his "Opinion", then that's exactly what it is...

HIS OPINION.

If that opinion doesn't mesh with a certain Corporation's views, then they have the chance to send him an updated product, supply tweaking info, and do whatever they need to do to show that they are indeed the better product. quotereportlinkAt 8:34 AM 9 May 2010
DJ A Smooth wroteLol. Please I know what Technics are, I'm saying not everyone knows what a 1200 is. And I'm taking about the general public, not dj's!

It's the industry standard because 90 percent of the market uses it!! quotereportlinkAt 8:36 AM 9 May 2010
DJ A Smooth wroteOf course the the 1200 is standard. But not everyone uses them compared to Serato, you see a big handful of DJs on CDJs instead of turntables.. quotereportlinkAt 12:20 PM 9 May 2010
DJ Ritmo wroteDj A Smooth havent seen you on the boards ina while. I was digging you last mixtape "its my party" or whatever its called. Hot stuff. Ok back on subject here. quotereportlinkAt 1:09 PM 9 May 2010
DJ A Smooth wroteThank you my brotha!! Hope all is well.. quotereportlinkAt 10:16 PM 9 May 2010
SUBSTANCE wroteThud Rumble and Native Instruments collaborating on control vinyl might be considered a conflict of interest. I don't have any problem with QBert's comparison though.
I'd suggest 90% of the people discussing this suck shit at scratching anyway.
My SSL drifts when the record is stopped too. I can adjust my threshold but then, as the on screen display states, the system becomes less responsive. It's a trade off. quotereportlinkAt 12:23 AM 10 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteI just like how EVERY club I've been to is SSL ready. Don't say you've never been to every club, duh. I'm saying every club that "I, myself" have been to. :) quotereportlinkAt 6:38 AM 10 May 2010
ekwipt wroteQuote:
Correction: Richie Hawtin doesn't use TSP, he uses a combination of Traktor DJ Studio 3.xx and Ableton. Regardless, The stability argument was dead when Traktor DJ Studio was the lasted version too.


Correction sorry mate you're very wrong Richie Hawtin is definately using TSP quotereportlinkAt 11:40 AM 10 May 2010
Nosferatu wrote^^^^^
I was referencing his latest DVD "Making Contakt" (which I guess was kinda old to begin with), but also the Native Instruments Kontrol X1 teaser vid... clearly he's using TDJS and not Traktor Pro.

So I don't know about "very" wrong, but more aptly; slightly wrong if he's now moved over to TSP. The argument is of course regarding the stability of the Traktor products, and my point was simply that there is no argument.

wikipedia rocks quotereportlinkAt 12:15 PM 10 May 2010
KMadison wroteQuote:
hey ..
they compare SL1 ( 16 bits ) with Traktor Scratch ( 24 bits ) !!!!!


HAHAHA you weren't the only one who noticed that. That makes this whole comparison moot. quotereportlinkAt 12:23 PM 10 May 2010
Karlos Santos wroteQuote:
Thud Rumble and Native Instruments collaborating on control vinyl might be considered a conflict of interest.

N.I. licensed the timecode to Qbert a long time ago. They had no part to play in the video in fact N.I. were as surprised to see the video as anyone was. quotereportlinkAt 12:30 PM 10 May 2010
Nosferatu wrote^^^^^
I was referencing his latest DVD "Making Contakt" (which I guess was kinda old to begin with), but also the Native Instruments Kontrol X1 teaser vid... clearly he's using TDJS and not Traktor Pro.

So I don't know about "very" wrong, but more aptly; slightly wrong if he's now moved over to TSP. The argument is of course regarding the stability of the Traktor products, and my point was simply that there is no argument.

wikipedia rocks quotereportlinkAt 12:33 PM 10 May 2010
nem0nic wroteQuote:
That makes this whole comparison moot.

Why? Bit depth primarily effects dynamic range. Do you think that timecode benefits greatly from higher bit depth? I can see a possible argument over SNR, but not enough of one to make this argument moot.

Also, you're comparing an audio interface (the SL-1) with a program (Traktor Scratch). quotereportlinkAt 1:46 PM 10 May 2010
s3kn0tr0n1c wroteQuote:
Do you think that timecode benefits greatly from higher bit depth?





would like to know this also quotereportlinkAt 2:52 PM 10 May 2010
Dj Knockout101 wroteI popped popcorn for this one. The arguments here are like telling a book writer to use a mechanical pencil over a wooden pencil, or using a fountain pen over a ball point pen. He choose to use TSP for his reason so let he be. Most of us here choose Serato so let us be! I got Torq, Serato, and Traktor Scratch Pro, and lets say. Torg got dust on it and Serato and TSP is the most used. The choice is depended on how I fell on hooking them up and which one is closest to me! But as stated when it comes to video of course its Serato! quotereportlinkAt 5:33 PM 10 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteThe REAL way to make a LEGITIMATE comparison, would be to have a 3rd party supply 2 each of the mixers, laptops, and turntables - to make sure they're all at the exact same spec...

A qualified technician from Traktor to bring the latest gear and tweak one laptop and Turntable for them, and a Serato technician to bring their latest gear, tweak the laptop and Turntable for that setup,..

BLIND QBERT, or somehow have duplicate looking CV's with the same scratch samples on it, so even HE doesn't know which DVS he's using, and then to let him test each side, (with the video monitors/laptops facing away from him), and give it a workout. quotereportlinkAt 5:55 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteOr we could just try them out for ourselves and choose which one suits us best :-) quotereportlinkAt 6:00 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wrotethe only thing that upsets me about this video is the Thud Rumble time code. I hope we get some of that too. quotereportlinkAt 6:02 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wroteoh and Johnny...great idea

the blind DVS test...first round of subjects...everybody who is endorsed by either DVS. quotereportlinkAt 6:02 PM 10 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wroteQuote:
Or we could just try them out for ourselves and choose which one suits us best :-)

i think that will never happen... 1st because of the sheer price of both dvs...2nd because i know half the people that dj bought there dvs from word of mouth... and 3rd once uve gotten that dvs and you love it, u urself are going around spreading the good word about your program of choice... thus never giving a fair chance at the competitor UNLESS u have the cash to shell on both... quotereportlinkAt 6:04 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteWell anyone who is having second thoughts about trading in whatever DVS they already own are a soft touch. What Im talking about is if you are thinking of getting a DVS system, go to the store and try out each one for yourself. quotereportlinkAt 6:06 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteIts like me and the TTM 57. If I listened to word of mouth and bought it because of that I would have been pissed, I just dont like the feel of it at all. I tried the shit out of it in the store and decided not to buy it. quotereportlinkAt 6:17 PM 10 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wrotefinding stores that offer both traktor and ssl in there stores to try out freely is rare atleast here in the west coast... i think something whats more common is finding a friend that has the dvs your interested in works in your favor instead... and mixers and dj software is a different story but i get your point aswell... quotereportlinkAt 6:24 PM 10 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteTo be honest, I think both are top notch products. Traktor wins on the FX side of things (even though SSL now has in-built FX too), pricewise its SSL, the differences with latency are minute at best and I think SSL has the far superior layout and ease of use. Add to that the great customer service and free updates and I think Serato edges it...and how can we forget the wonderful, troubled & talented people we have on these boards...SSL all the way lol quotereportlinkAt 3:35 AM 11 May 2010
nik39 wrote

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To be honest, I think both are top notch products. Traktor wins on the FX side of things (even though SSL now has in-built FX too), pricewise its SSL

Can anyone give the streetprices for the SL 3 and TS Pro/A8?

I think it would be fair to compare those because hardware wise they match better. In Germany the SL 3 is being sold for 764€, the TS Pro/A8 for 579€. quotereportlinkAt 6:19 AM 11 May 2010
al83 wrotei don't think traktor is neither better nor worse, it has its strengths and weaknesses. fact is, there isn't THE perfect DJ solution out there at the moment, all products are flawed in some way and its up to you to pick which one suits you best and what trade offs you can accept. all this is argument of SSL/TSP is better etc is futile. quotereportlinkAt 7:23 AM 11 May 2010
djchriscruz wroteI love Serato but I admit that from Q's test Traktor sounds SLIGHTLY better. But it's good to see competition. It keeps both companies from being complacent and breeds innovation to stay ahead. I doubt SL3 would have been released if Traktor wasn't in the market quotereportlinkAt 7:27 AM 11 May 2010
DJ Ritmo wroteI have noticed that my scratches sound kinda digital on serato. To be honest the only reason why I use serato is because the cue doesnt drift. I paid 300.00 for Torq when it first came out only to experience cue slip then after a while I couldnt take it so now Im on serato. I did notice that TSP did sound better with scratches but it wasnt a big difference. I couldnt figure out how to use traktor when I had the demo so thats why Im on Serato quotereportlinkAt 10:13 AM 11 May 2010
nem0nic wroteLooks like the SL-3 (w/SSL) package is going for about $699 here in the US, and the A8DJ package (w/TSP) is going for around $599.

Best prices I've found through Google Shopping is $629 for the SL-3 package, and $499 for the TSP package (both new - not used or reconditioned).

This makes sense, since the TSP package is out of it's "honeymoon" phase, while the SL-3 is still very much in it's honeymoon. quotereportlinkAt 2:05 PM 11 May 2010
DjWoody wroteSounds about right. I got my TSP for $469 out the door at Guitar Center. I still haven't seen anyone with an SL3. Everyone I know that uses Serato owns the SL1 or a 57. quotereportlinkAt 5:27 PM 11 May 2010
Nosferatu wrote...and so the thread finally starts to settle down to price comparisons...

For those who do not have a condo in Hawaii and a slammin' crib in SF, or chill with the top brass at Vestax, it just might be that the small differences can be overlooked as long as it meets the right price point.

it just might be that both products are as good as they need to be for their respective target market.

Can this be the end now? i've noticed the threads over at NI and the like have died down considerably. quotereportlinkAt 10:50 AM 23 May 2010
deytroy78 wroteI agree with several other people, that believe its good for SSL to be challenged. Nevertheless, it does not matter which dvs you use. Simply because your listening audience is not interested in whether your using SSL or TSP. It will always be about the music and the way each DJ shares it with his/her audience. So if people prefer SSL like me, "that's great." If people choose TSP instead, "cool." quotereportlinkAt 11:18 AM 23 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
I agree with several other people, that believe its good for SSL to be challenged. Nevertheless, it does not matter which dvs you use. Simply because your listening audience is not interested in whether your using SSL or TSP. It will always be about the music and the way each DJ shares it with his/her audience. So if people prefer SSL like me, "that's great." If people choose TSP instead, "cool."

+1 quotereportlinkAt 11:50 AM 23 May 2010
DJMark wroteSorry, I just have to view nearly every "major DJ comment" about products with a huge amount of skepticism.

Too much undisclosed sponsorship/underhanded viral marketing, not enough transparency or technical qualifications.

We have no way of knowing if this is in fact a "sincere opinion" or influenced by ulterior motives. In an industry that often seems to have major "ethics" issues...and especially when dealing with a company like Native Instruments, which (putting it as politely as possible) has a very long history of ethics issues...there's little logical basis to take this sort of thing at face value. quotereportlinkAt 6:50 AM 26 May 2010
Nosferatu wroteI agree, has anyone reported Qbert to the ministry of truth yet? There should be an inquiry into this... BAH!

For the most part I agree with you DJMark, but regardless of celebrity DJ endorsements, the bedroom DJs and basically all the NON major DJs will decide who the king of the hill is.

I think endorsements are good because it gives you the warm and fuzzies that somebody other than you is putting their reputation on the line with a piece of tech. quotereportlinkAt 3:37 AM 10 June 2010
sosflex wroteI've tried both and love the tracking and effects on Traktor but still, I'm way more comfortable with serato. May want to fire up TSP to mess with again...
BTW you can buy and Audio 4 dj soundcard, then buy an upgrade to TSP from Native Instruments, total about $400 bucks. Not bad. But still right now if you take djing seriously and you're not an all vinyl jock (still have a few out here) you need serato. quotereportlinkAt 9:24 AM 10 June 2010
Nosferatu wrote"But still right now if you take djing seriously and you're not an all vinyl jock (still have a few out here) you need serato."

Yeah, TSP is for kids just starting out in DJing. If you're serious about it I wouldn't use it... it would be like if you were serious about sport bikes, you wouldn't buy a Ducati or anything like that... you'd be setting yourself up for failure.

I can't believe the folks at Native Instruments would even ATTEMPT to produce a relevant DJ product... they don't know the first thing about what DJs want.

I went to a club and I thought there was something weird about the music... the mixes and track selection were bang on, the crowd loved it, the line up outside went for blocks, but when I walked up to the DJ booth I saw that he had TSP... I told some people and the club quickly emptied.

The nerve! quotereportlinkAt 9:39 AM 10 June 2010
djdannyd wroteQuote:
I went to a club and I thought there was something weird about the music... the mixes and track selection were bang on, the crowd loved it, the line up outside went for blocks, but when I walked up to the DJ booth I saw that he had TSP... I told some people and the club quickly emptied.



you're kidding, right? quotereportlinkAt 9:40 AM 10 June 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotelol i was wandering about that too.....im gonna call shennanigans on that one quotereportlinkAt 10:14 AM 10 June 2010
Nosferatu wroteI was just messin' around... even the most devoted SSL fanboys would say something like TSP isn't for serious DJs.... c'mon even mac vs. pc debates don't stoop that low! quotereportlinkAt 10:15 AM 10 June 2010
Nosferatu wrotewould = wouldn't :) quotereportlinkAt 10:34 AM 10 June 2010
Evon wroteRight now traktor scratch is one step ahead when it comes to EDM music. But this will change when the bridge is out. quotereportlinkAt 10:52 AM 10 June 2010
Nosferatu wroteand then what? sit back and watch the TSP converts come over in droves to the SSL camp while NI do nothing to improve their product?

This is a the typical development life cycle... each product will develop and be updated, forge new alliances with other companies (as Serato has with Ableton).

If everyone kept score, there wouldn't be enough time to perfect a workflow worthy of a performance.... consider the amount of time it takes to become proficient with a piece of software let alone 2 at the same time!

This is all good for us... let the powers that be battle it out on the research and development front while we sit and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

But if SSL every incorporates a SYNC button, it'll be the end of Serato FOREVER!!!!

hehehe.

Spin it like it's real! quotereportlinkAt 2:34 PM 10 June 2010
Evon wroteQuote:
and then what? sit back and watch the TSP converts come over in droves to the SSL camp while NI do nothing to improve their product?

This is a the typical development life cycle... each product will develop and be updated, forge new alliances with other companies (as Serato has with Ableton).

If everyone kept score, there wouldn't be enough time to perfect a workflow worthy of a performance.... consider the amount of time it takes to become proficient with a piece of software let alone 2 at the same time!

This is all good for us... let the powers that be battle it out on the research and development front while we sit and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

But if SSL every incorporates a SYNC button, it'll be the end of Serato FOREVER!!!!

hehehe.

Spin it like it's real!



Sync button will be implemented sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. If you spinning only 2 decs there is simply no need for autosync, but edm djs start spinning 3-4 decs and samples on top of that you need autosynch. It is just too risky to play all that in front of a live audience. I was initially against autosynch but I see now this feature is much needed when you have 3-4 decs going. quotereportlinkAt 3:27 PM 10 June 2010
Anu wroteQuote:
Quote:
and then what? sit back and watch the TSP converts come over in droves to the SSL camp while NI do nothing to improve their product?

This is a the typical development life cycle... each product will develop and be updated, forge new alliances with other companies (as Serato has with Ableton).

If everyone kept score, there wouldn't be enough time to perfect a workflow worthy of a performance.... consider the amount of time it takes to become proficient with a piece of software let alone 2 at the same time!

This is all good for us... let the powers that be battle it out on the research and development front while we sit and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

But if SSL every incorporates a SYNC button, it'll be the end of Serato FOREVER!!!!

hehehe.

Spin it like it's real!



Sync button will be implemented sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. If you spinning only 2 decs there is simply no need for autosync, but edm djs start spinning 3-4 decs and samples on top of that you need autosynch. It is just too risky to play all that in front of a live audience. I was initially against autosynch but I see now this feature is much needed when you have 3-4 decs going.



+1... Your skills take you places, your software only gets you so far.

3 tables goin no sync after that yeah sync that shit. quotereportlinkAt 3:33 PM 10 June 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteI was always against sync but I couldnt give a shit either way now. I can mix all day without sync, waveforms etc. I have paid my dues so if I am doing a blues and I want to get drunk while I throw all sorts of stuff on and I hit sync then big deal. I can see why a lot of people are against it because you are gonna get noobie DJ's coming from all angles because you dont have to train your ears no more but saying that, Traktor has had it for a while (I think) and I dont hear the stampede of newbie DJ's because of that feature. And it will be funny listening to some train wreck DJ's syncing together allsorts of tracks that have no business being mixed together. quotereportlinkAt 3:39 PM 10 June 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotehonestly as against synch as i am i had a situation the other day where i had to do an impromptu set on the house computer, no tables all internal and with no preset cues or moniters and that synch button helped me wing it quotereportlinkAt 7:30 AM 11 June 2010
s3kn0tr0n1c wrotethe way i see it is you dont really need sync in SL...once the bridge comes out you can have as many audio track in ableton all synced/warped then use a deck to control em all then mix into another deck(s) on SL...so 2 tracks on 2 decks in Sl and with the 3rd deck control 10 tracks...

you would still have to do the manual mixing using the decks tho....

that about as far as id like to see it go........defo not plain auto syncing tracks within SL quotereportlinkAt 8:28 AM 11 June 2010
Evon wroteQuote:
the way i see it is you dont really need sync in SL...once the bridge comes out you can have as many audio track in ableton all synced/warped then use a deck to control em all then mix into another deck(s) on SL...so 2 tracks on 2 decks in Sl and with the 3rd deck control 10 tracks...

you would still have to do the manual mixing using the decks tho....

that about as far as id like to see it go........defo not plain auto syncing tracks within SL


I can't wait for the bridge. Looking on the web everyday to see if its any news about the bridge. But would be nice to see autosynch in the serato sample player as well for people who don't have 300 bucks to buy ableton. quotereportlinkAt 8:32 AM 11 June 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteIm sure youll get an email when the bridge is ready...and if you cant scrounge up 300 for ableton you still got some work to put in before you have auto sync access quotereportlinkAt 8:34 AM 11 June 2010
ral wroteQuote:
Quote:
the way i see it is you dont really need sync in SL...once the bridge comes out you can have as many audio track in ableton all synced/warped then use a deck to control em all then mix into another deck(s) on SL...so 2 tracks on 2 decks in Sl and with the 3rd deck control 10 tracks...

you would still have to do the manual mixing using the decks tho....

that about as far as id like to see it go........defo not plain auto syncing tracks within SL


I can't wait for the bridge. Looking on the web everyday to see if its any news about the bridge. But would be nice to see autosynch in the serato sample player as well for people who don't have 300 bucks to buy ableton.


why do you need autosync in sampler? its good for triggering A sample. (bombs/clash/etc)

if you wanna do a remix, layer tracks (beat/accapella/etc), bridge will be able to handle that since ableton can warp (sync). quotereportlinkAt 5:52 PM 16 February 2011
Refugee wroteNot poking at a closed wound, but I really like the workflow and interface Serato provides =] SL3 is nice and the Maschine is pretty dope too, would recommend both and wouldn't trade niether.

They are both made by brilliant companies that can put out a product that's differences are sooo minute that they spark up such arguments =D!

The only thing I'm PISSED about is y'all dropping SL4 announcements 2 weeks after I cop SL3 >=[


DJ Craze Performs on Traktor Scratch Pro and Kontrol X1
quotereportlinkAt 9:14 AM 12 May 2010
SELECT wroteCant front, that shit was dope what he could do with all the samples. I need those gold techs, wow-
www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 9:26 AM 12 May 2010
MikeNicco wroteThat was dope! I love Dj Craze's routines, they are always so clean. quotereportlinkAt 9:35 AM 12 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotedope as always..rafik is sick too. quotereportlinkAt 9:38 AM 12 May 2010
lvmez wroteincredible, too bad i didn't what the hell he was doing. quotereportlinkAt 10:23 AM 12 May 2010
DJ Rugged One wroteThat was gangsta ! quotereportlinkAt 10:30 AM 12 May 2010
vega wrotethat dude has 3 pairs of those gold turntables... LEGEND!!!!!!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 11:06 AM 12 May 2010
djchriscruz wroteHoly SHIT!

I love how turntablism is evolving right now. For a while turntablism was boring because everybody did the same juggles and scratches. After Craze shut down DMC everything was predictable and cookie cutter. quotereportlinkAt 11:29 AM 12 May 2010
DJ FlowJay wrotewhooooaaaa quotereportlinkAt 11:42 AM 12 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteN.I. is defintely marketing hard.. Nice video.. quotereportlinkAt 11:44 AM 12 May 2010
freshtodeath wroteThis is sick - Serato HQ step it up quotereportlinkAt 11:51 AM 12 May 2010
dj shadow from detroit wrotei agree --- where is babu and others ? lol!

regardless serato/bridge is the takeover. quotereportlinkAt 11:53 AM 12 May 2010
SELECT wroteHis manipulation of the records throughout the routine is just incredible. Its very subtle, but so damn ill. quotereportlinkAt 12:05 PM 12 May 2010
Lithium wroteThat shit was ridiculous, my eyes couldn't keep up with my ears. quotereportlinkAt 12:18 PM 12 May 2010
C. William wrotedope!! quotereportlinkAt 1:10 PM 13 May 2010
BREAKFADER wroteword quotereportlinkAt 1:17 PM 13 May 2010
n:deuce wrotetrue talent. quotereportlinkAt 1:24 PM 13 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteI don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill". quotereportlinkAt 1:45 PM 13 May 2010
freshtodeath wrote^
Sadly it is - google IAN GOLD quotereportlinkAt 1:45 PM 13 May 2010
freshtodeath wrotemidifighter.com quotereportlinkAt 1:59 PM 13 May 2010
bandoma wroteQuote:
I don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill".


i thought it was dope and i don't think button pushing takes away from it all if you use it right. in other words, he's pushing the buttons to complement his routine. we still hear the dope skraches and juggles and now he's enhanced his set with technology.

on the other hand, if a dj is button pushing the whole time, then i agree it takes away from the artform.

you should also check out rafik's video. he kills it on traktor too. quotereportlinkAt 2:20 PM 13 May 2010
DJ SicBeatz wrotepushing buttons is skills? lolz.... this is skills www.youtube.com view ..... SERATO 2 da Fullest! quotereportlinkAt 2:28 PM 13 May 2010
The Return of Dj Sparky wroteha ha knock Craze cause he isn't using serato, can you say fanboy SicBeats quotereportlinkAt 2:33 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteQuote:
pushing buttons is skills? lolz.... this is skills www.youtube.com view ..... SERATO 2 da Fullest!



Same rationality... This guy didn't use Technics so he sucks!

Make sense? quotereportlinkAt 2:56 PM 13 May 2010
pjhibberd2002 wroteThat DJ Fly vid is sick, its just not as slick as the Traktor ones. I wanna see some insane serato demos in that same cleverly edited hi-tech style on Serato, we all know they've got the talent quotereportlinkAt 2:56 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteQuote:
I don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill".


It's called creativity. It does't matter what you use. Come up with something "impressive" yourself before you start knocking other people's sets. quotereportlinkAt 4:29 PM 13 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
I don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill".


It's called creativity. It does't matter what you use. Come up with something "impressive" yourself before you start knocking other people's sets.


That has NOTHING to do with it.

I hold him to a higher standard, and I think some people will get it twisted that they can enter the DJ GAME with a Laptop and a Midi Controller, and that's it. quotereportlinkAt 5:06 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteQuote:
I hold him to a higher standard, and I think some people will get it twisted that they can enter the DJ GAME with a Laptop and a Midi Controller, and that's it.


Thats a fine straw man argument you got there. quotereportlinkAt 5:09 PM 13 May 2010
vega wrotelol did you miss the part where he scratched like a god and juggled? that midi controller got you spooked quotereportlinkAt 5:12 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteVega, don't you understand that if you're not using vinyl then you are destroying the entire integrity of the DJ scene and everyone will hate you and the entire vinyl only skratch scene will implode and everyone will in a fiery pit of midi controllers quotereportlinkAt 5:14 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteRane/Serato please stop making the 57/68 because people will use the midi buttons on it.

Thanks in advance. quotereportlinkAt 5:15 PM 13 May 2010
dj_soo wrotefly routine is sick but it's been edited to all hell... craze one looks like a single take... quotereportlinkAt 5:34 PM 13 May 2010
DjWoody wroteCraze's video is sick!!! quotereportlinkAt 5:35 PM 13 May 2010
howcome wroteFly is sick, but that routine looks off. Too clean to be actually live, it looks like it was prerecorded. If not that was unreal. quotereportlinkAt 6:00 PM 13 May 2010
DJ.ReFRESH wroteQuote:
Fly is sick, but that routine looks off. Too clean to be actually live, it looks like it was prerecorded. If not that was unreal.


that's why he's a 3x DMC world champion and the rest of us just watch in amazement quotereportlinkAt 6:01 PM 13 May 2010
DJ.ReFRESH wrotemy bad...you were talkin about another vid...carry on

yo Mods, 'Edit' button please! quotereportlinkAt 6:01 PM 13 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Rane/Serato please stop making the 57/68 because people will use the midi buttons on it.

Thanks in advance.


Don't get it twisted. I can embrace technology, but you have to look at the bigger picture of who else is taking a "let me just push some buttons" and I can be a DJ stance.

Also, the video editing took away from it, but I'm leaning towards him being more skillful on the techs, because It seemed like he did what everybody else does with a midi. quotereportlinkAt 7:07 PM 13 May 2010
dj_soo wroteQuote:
Fly is sick, but that routine looks off. Too clean to be actually live, it looks like it was prerecorded. If not that was unreal.


it was multiple takes edited together. there are parts where there's very obvious edits quotereportlinkAt 8:28 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteQuote:
Don't get it twisted. I can embrace technology, but you have to look at the bigger picture of who else is taking a "let me just push some buttons" and I can be a DJ stance.



The only thing "midi controllers and laptop" allowed for was someone to become an average DJ easier. Most of those DJs don't have any creativity to become anything more than a promoters cheap date.


Quote:
it was multiple takes edited together. there are parts where there's very obvious edits


DMC guys have been cutting their own custom dubs forever. quotereportlinkAt 9:10 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wroteQuote:
DMC guys have been cutting their own custom dubs forever.


what's the science to that?...

I would love to check one of those dubs played straight through. I'm always trying to figure that shit out. quotereportlinkAt 9:31 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteMake something, and send it to these guys:

www.customrecords.com quotereportlinkAt 9:33 PM 13 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
I don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill".



I actually thought the exact same thing when I watched the video. quotereportlinkAt 9:33 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wrotenaw I know how to do that part. I'm talking about how their records are sequenced.

4 bars, scratch sound, bass tone, scratch sound, 1 bar, etc.... quotereportlinkAt 9:51 PM 13 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wrotebasically all hes doing is using cue points and effects from a midi controller BUT controlling pitch, scratches, and juggles from the gold techs and u guys are ripping on him? at the very least give him some sort of credit for being creative and not wrecking,,, but of course the magic of video editing can prove otherwise... =) quotereportlinkAt 9:54 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Awyse wrotewww.youtube.com view

Lots of magical video editing in this clip! quotereportlinkAt 9:57 PM 13 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wroteQuote:
www.youtube.com view javascript:void(0);

Lots of magical video editing in this clip!

LOL there you go proved otherwise!! lol quotereportlinkAt 10:52 PM 13 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteQuote:
www.youtube.com view

Lots of magical video editing in this clip!


That party was nuts!!!! One of the craziest shows I've been to since Skream and Benga quotereportlinkAt 11:56 PM 13 May 2010
wonkadonk wroteSniffles you were at this? I was standing behind Craze when he did this I was fucking blown away! quotereportlinkAt 12:02 AM 14 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteYup I was off to the right on the other side of the stage entrance.. Were you there early on when they played that dub remix of Genuwine? I think it was before Craze got on.

I'm at Webbie every Friday quotereportlinkAt 12:09 AM 14 May 2010
wonkadonk wroteHa nice, I'm the guy in the Lobster shirt: www.thecultureofme.com

Have an out of town gig this friday but I'm 100% going next week for Treasure Fingers, you goin? Should grab a Serato forum's beer at some point haha quotereportlinkAt 12:10 AM 14 May 2010
wonkadonk wroteand yeah I was there from the start till half way through 12th planets set, he couldn't follow Craze :( quotereportlinkAt 3:56 AM 14 May 2010
dj_soo wroteQuote:
Quote:
Don't get it twisted. I can embrace technology, but you have to look at the bigger picture of who else is taking a "let me just push some buttons" and I can be a DJ stance.


The only thing "midi controllers and laptop" allowed for was someone to become an average DJ easier. Most of those DJs don't have any creativity to become anything more than a promoters cheap date.


Quote:
it was multiple takes edited together. there are parts where there's very obvious edits


DMC guys have been cutting their own custom dubs forever.


no, i mean the video was a couple different takes of his set edited together - not that he was using his own edits.

There are some obvious jumps in the video (not even talking angle changes) where it's obvious they took 2 different performances and edited it together.

for instance check

still sick tho quotereportlinkAt 4:20 AM 14 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
naw I know how to do that part. I'm talking about how their records are sequenced.

4 bars, scratch sound, bass tone, scratch sound, 1 bar, etc....


Its kinda easy to do this yourself at home...I use Audacity and take parts of various battle breaks I like and piece together the different scratch samples, bass tones etc till I have a nice sentence saying my name in it. All you need is to be creative with it and your good.

I did a track this way (Some of it is one scratch layed under another one but the first few scratch samples were done live one after another)

And before anyone says so...yes, I know its a drop in standard from Craze & Fly's routines lol

www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 6:38 AM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
I don't know, but I'm not impressed. It looked like a whole bunch of button pushing to me.

I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.

Soon, button pressing WILL be considered a "skill".



I actually thought the exact same thing when I watched the video.


There it is.

When sixxx and I agree on something, you know it rings true. quotereportlinkAt 7:00 AM 14 May 2010
s3kn0tr0n1c wrotethers button pushing scrathing and working faders, jugglin .....

for me that was very good......wouldbnt say better or worse than "original" record style turntablism, just different.......he defo was not just pressin buttons to create that routine.... he was incorporating old and new styles together...just using the buttons for drops(instead of bits of stickers) which allowed him to get more drops of samples than would be possible with just wax......

nice routine IMO quotereportlinkAt 7:35 AM 14 May 2010
tomd05 wrotethats dope alkemy! quotereportlinkAt 8:59 AM 14 May 2010
lvmez wroteQuote:
Quote:
naw I know how to do that part. I'm talking about how their records are sequenced.

4 bars, scratch sound, bass tone, scratch sound, 1 bar, etc....


Its kinda easy to do this yourself at home...I use Audacity and take parts of various battle breaks I like and piece together the different scratch samples, bass tones etc till I have a nice sentence saying my name in it. All you need is to be creative with it and your good.

I did a track this way (Some of it is one scratch layed under another one but the first few scratch samples were done live one after another)

And before anyone says so...yes, I know its a drop in standard from Craze & Fly's routines lol

www.youtube.com view www.youtube.com view


very nice. respect. quotereportlinkAt 9:32 AM 14 May 2010
Doug Skillmore wrotethat looks amazing.....but he can utilize all of that properly becuase he is an amazing dj.....some regular club dj won't suddenly be that good if he buys traktor..... amazing set regardless quotereportlinkAt 9:36 AM 14 May 2010
hotmixfive wroteShould the hardware really matter that much if the music is top? quotereportlinkAt 9:39 AM 14 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wroteQuote:
thats dope alkemy!

+1 quotereportlinkAt 9:43 AM 14 May 2010
SELECT wroteRegardless if hes pushing buttons, he is constantly moving the records until the very end. That is where the skill is. Watch the video again... quotereportlinkAt 9:48 AM 14 May 2010
DJ Dub Cowboy wrotewww.djtechtools.com

interview with Craze about the video quotereportlinkAt 9:48 AM 14 May 2010
DJkahar aka Skyscraper wroteThat was dope. Im slowly realizing that technology is moving way to fast for me. Theres noway I can keep up with all this new technology that is commin out every 2 months that are making already great DJ's sound like musical gods on the turntables. Kinda discouraging in a way. I'll just have make due with my 2 turntables, mixer, Serato and my skills. quotereportlinkAt 10:08 AM 14 May 2010
DjWoody wroteCome on guys, seriously. Video is dope and off course he's gonna push buttons. He's selling Traktor X1 & Traktor Scratch Pro.

Craze said this in that interview. I wonder if it's a hint.

" I can’t wait to see a Traktor mixer where they have all the stuff on the controller on the mixer"

Hmmm, wonder who they would partner up with? Pioneer? Now, that would most likely be a mixer I would by. If it was a Pioneer mixer integrated with either Traktor or SSL. I can only dream. quotereportlinkAt 10:44 AM 14 May 2010
vega wrotethe way he stuttered the snare drum while hitting the cue button several times @ 0:26 is dope to me... never really seen anyone do that before.. sure someone has, just haven't seen it quotereportlinkAt 11:09 AM 14 May 2010
As-One wroteQuote:
Make something, and send it to these guys:

www.customrecords.com


I've had Kim cut me like 4 or 5 customs since a few years back. Decent quality, however, I've found these guys www.vinylcarvers.com last year and loved the dubplates they cut for me! Only thing is, www.customrecords.com is based in the US and www.vinylcarvers.com are in the UK. Turn around time difference is pretty significant... quotereportlinkAt 11:13 AM 14 May 2010
As-One wroteoh yea, Craze sucks. Rafik sucks, Shiftee sucks and so does Enferno. "They push buttons." haha quotereportlinkAt 11:59 AM 14 May 2010
bandoma wroteold timer djs that "keep it real" or frown upon technology get left behind. if you're content with that, keep on doing what you're doing.

if you're looking to get ahead and compete with these djs that started in the dvs era, then embrace the technological advancements that you have in front of you.

btw...i've been djn for 17 years now so I've paid enough dues to say this.

peace. quotereportlinkAt 12:57 PM 14 May 2010
DJ.ReFRESH wroteQuote:
old timer djs that "keep it real" or frown upon technology get left behind. if you're content with that, keep on doing what you're doing.

if you're looking to get ahead and compete with these djs that started in the dvs era, then embrace the technological advancements that you have in front of you.

btw...i've been djn for 17 years now so I've paid enough dues to say this.

peace.



and....... [/thread] quotereportlinkAt 1:56 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
old timer djs that "keep it real" or frown upon technology get left behind. if you're content with that, keep on doing what you're doing.

if you're looking to get ahead and compete with these djs that started in the dvs era, then embrace the technological advancements that you have in front of you.

btw...i've been djn for 17 years now so I've paid enough dues to say this.

peace.


I think you, and the majority in here, got it twisted. I, for one, don't frown upon technology. Hell, if you're on this message board, there's definitely proof that you don't frown upon technology or we would be mixing straight vinyl.

The point of my post (agreeing with JohnnyM - Shit, the world is going to end), is that I do think that all that button pushing did take away from the performance.

Is Craze a dope ass DJ? Yes.
Was the performance great? Yes.
Can he kill all of us who posted here new or old school style? I'm sure.

With all of the above, I still think all the button pushing took away from the performance. quotereportlinkAt 2:04 PM 14 May 2010
Djaward wroteQuote:
oh yea, Craze sucks. Rafik sucks, Shiftee sucks and so does Enferno. "They push buttons." haha

I would like to see a sample of what you do. Then we'll see who sucks. quotereportlinkAt 2:08 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Quote:
oh yea, Craze sucks. Rafik sucks, Shiftee sucks and so does Enferno. "They push buttons." haha

I would like to see a sample of what you do. Then we'll see who sucks.


That was sarcasm... quotereportlinkAt 2:14 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteCase in point:

It's supposed to be a turntablism performance. Correct? Tell me how many times he touched the tone arm. Zero times. There's no needle drop. Probably one of the most essential parts in turntablism. He could've done this entire performance on a CDX, HDX, or some other CDJ that doesn't have a tonearm.... and that would definitely wouldn't be labeled a turntablism performance. quotereportlinkAt 2:25 PM 14 May 2010
DJ.ReFRESH wrote^^ It wasn't a turntablism performance in the standard sense - we all know what Craze is capable of if he needed to showcase that aspect of his skills.

This was more of a showcase of the capabilities of the Traktor Scratch Pro and Kontrol X1 platforms.

Did he do a good job highlighting some of the possibilities? I think so quotereportlinkAt 2:25 PM 14 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Case in point:

It's supposed to be a turntablism performance. Correct? Tell me how many times he touched the tone arm. Zero times. There's no needle drop. Probably one of the most essential parts in turntablism. He could've done this entire performance on a CDX, HDX, or some other CDJ that doesn't have a tonearm.... and that would definitely wouldn't be labeled a turntablism performance.



i agree with everyone in here in one way or another but wether or not its done on an instument with a tone arm or wether or not its labeled turntablism shouldnt matter, what matters is the final result was pretty bad ass quotereportlinkAt 2:26 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
old timer djs that "keep it real" or frown upon technology get left behind. if you're content with that, keep on doing what you're doing.

if you're looking to get ahead and compete with these djs that started in the dvs era, then embrace the technological advancements that you have in front of you.

btw...i've been djn for 17 years now so I've paid enough dues to say this.

peace.


I think you, and the majority in here, got it twisted. I, for one, don't frown upon technology. Hell, if you're on this message board, there's definitely proof that you don't frown upon technology or we would be mixing straight vinyl.

The point of my post (agreeing with JohnnyM - Shit, the world is going to end), is that I do think that all that button pushing did take away from the performance.

Is Craze a dope ass DJ? Yes.
Was the performance great? Yes.
Can he kill all of us who posted here new or old school style? I'm sure.

With all of the above, I still think all the button pushing took away from the performance.


DAMMIT!!!!

I'm sorry Bandoma, and I think you're dope as hell (no nutjock), but I have to agree with sixxx here....

Quote:
With all of the above, I still think all the button pushing took away from the performance.


And to tell you the truth, he's probably the best doing what he's doing with his style incorporated, BUT this is where the line starts to really get blurred between those who have already accomplished above and beyond (like Enferno), and do something different, and those who THINK they're like Enferno, but can't boot a floppy disk.

The truth is that, say if Jazzy Jeff all of a sudden started rockin' parties with a laptop and Midi board, would you give him a pass?

Because of his legendary status OF COURSE...

But how about the next cat?

It's about to go down. quotereportlinkAt 2:28 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Case in point:

It's supposed to be a turntablism performance. Correct? Tell me how many times he touched the tone arm. Zero times. There's no needle drop. Probably one of the most essential parts in turntablism. He could've done this entire performance on a CDX, HDX, or some other CDJ that doesn't have a tonearm.... and that would definitely wouldn't be labeled a turntablism performance.


****sigh****

EXACTLY.

You see the exact same thing that I see. quotereportlinkAt 2:31 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
^^ It wasn't a turntablism performance in the standard sense - we all know what Craze is capable of if he needed to showcase that aspect of his skills.

This was more of a showcase of the capabilities of the Traktor Scratch Pro and Kontrol X1 platforms.

Did he do a good job highlighting some of the possibilities? I think so


Fine, let's take your example of him highlighting the possiblities of Traktor and Kontrol X1.

The features are all button triggered. THAT was the focus, thus this conversation. quotereportlinkAt 2:36 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteYou can have DJ AM do a bad ass mix "live", and have a final result that is "pretty bad ass"

OR

you can also get some savvy computer kid who looks up all the tracks he used, get a multitrak software product, lay out everything, add scratches at 1/10 the speed to make it seem like they are flashy on the fader, edit out all errors, and they can ALSO produce a final result that is "pretty bad ass".

The end result sometimes means nothing if the process to get there is "whack". quotereportlinkAt 2:40 PM 14 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
You can have DJ AM do a bad ass mix "live", and have a final result that is "pretty bad ass"

OR

you can also get some savvy computer kid who looks up all the tracks he used, get a multitrak software product, lay out everything, add scratches at 1/10 the speed to make it seem like they are flashy on the fader, edit out all errors, and they can ALSO produce a final result that is "pretty bad ass".

The end result sometimes means nothing if the process to get there is "whack".


if you heard each one on a CD and had no clue how they got there would the process matter?? quotereportlinkAt 2:41 PM 14 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteQuote:

you can also get some savvy computer kid who looks up all the tracks he used, get a multitrak software product, lay out everything, add scratches at 1/10 the speed to make it seem like they are flashy on the fader, edit out all errors, and they can ALSO produce a final result that is "pretty bad ass".

The end result sometimes means nothing if the process to get there is "whack".


Would you like me to point all the holes in your argument? quotereportlinkAt 2:44 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Would you like me to point all the holes in your argument?


Yes quotereportlinkAt 2:50 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:

Would you like me to point all the holes in your argument?


Yes


And use quotes. quotereportlinkAt 2:52 PM 14 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteYou basically just said that if it isn't done live then its "whack", so you might want just start learning an instrument and join a band instead of being a DJ since everything we play is produced in a studio by savvy engineers that layout everything in a multitrack software, edit out errors, and produce something that sounds very different then the original recording (i.e. "pretty bad ass") and thus is "whack". quotereportlinkAt 2:57 PM 14 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotePoint Awyse

DJ Awyse........DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
1...........................0 quotereportlinkAt 3:05 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
You basically just said that if it isn't done live then its "whack", so you might want just start learning an instrument and join a band instead of being a DJ since everything we play is produced in a studio by savvy engineers that layout everything in a multitrack software, edit out errors, and produce something that sounds very different then the original recording (i.e. "pretty bad ass") and thus is "whack".


Since you want to be a smartass and take it very literately, I'm going to point to you something very obvious. I, for one, play a lot of old school music that was recorded in a one take without all the multi-track software you speak of. The crazy BPM fluctuations are the proof.

Now, let's get back on topic and stop making assumptions as to what WE play. And, JohnnyM probably plays a lot more old school than me, so, I'm sure he might agree. lol

Damn, the world is definitely coming to an end. quotereportlinkAt 3:06 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
You basically just said that if it isn't done live then its "whack",


Negative son.

You INTERPRETED what I said and tried to paraphrase it.

This has nothing with the ability to do it LIVE or not.

For example, SPINBAD does Multitracks ALL the time, and we KNOW he's dope.

He can do PARTS of it live, but doesn't need to.

Now, somebody like Bezzle making a DOPE MIX, we'd EXPECT him to use a multitrack to pull that off.

Try again. quotereportlinkAt 3:08 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:


Now, somebody like Bezzle making a DOPE MIX, we'd EXPECT him to use a multitrack to pull that off.


Damn it! Stop thinking what I'm thinking. quotereportlinkAt 3:08 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Since you want to be a smartass and take it very literately,


I didn't even need to get past the 1st sentence, as his cover is blown. quotereportlinkAt 3:12 PM 14 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Quote:


Now, somebody like Bezzle making a DOPE MIX, we'd EXPECT him to use a multitrack to pull that off.


Damn it! Stop thinking what I'm thinking.



you guys could imagine me doin a dope mix......even with multitrack i couldnt picture that, thanks for the confidence guys!!!! quotereportlinkAt 3:15 PM 14 May 2010
ral wrotethis is controllertablism!

effects, samples, multitrack, turntablism - all done live! quotereportlinkAt 3:20 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteBasically, it will soon be considered a "skill" to Push Buttons.

Now, there IS some science to it, as you will eventually have to go through your music collection, and edit CUE POINTS to the nth degree and basically "Plan ahead" for your shows.

OR

You could create CUE POINTS (on the fly), which would be ANOTHER SCIENCE, (which could almost be battle worthy if done right), and rock out.

Imagine the futue of DMC battles where, YES, you would use a DVS, but THEY give you the songs to rock out and perform "on the fly" or "off the dome".

That would truly be hot. quotereportlinkAt 3:24 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Basically, it will soon be considered a "skill" to Push Buttons.

Now, there IS some science to it, as you will eventually have to go through your music collection, and edit CUE POINTS to the nth degree and basically "Plan ahead" for your shows.

OR

You could create CUE POINTS (on the fly), which would be ANOTHER SCIENCE, (which could almost be battle worthy if done right), and rock out.

Imagine the futue of DMC battles where, YES, you would use a DVS, but THEY give you the songs to rock out and perform "on the fly" or "off the dome".

That would truly be hot.


No doubt. quotereportlinkAt 3:25 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
Basically, it will soon be considered a "skill" to Push Buttons.

Now, there IS some science to it, as you will eventually have to go through your music collection, and edit CUE POINTS to the nth degree and basically "Plan ahead" for your shows.

OR

You could create CUE POINTS (on the fly), which would be ANOTHER SCIENCE, (which could almost be battle worthy if done right), and rock out.

Imagine the futue of DMC battles where, YES, you would use a DVS, but THEY give you the songs to rock out and perform "on the fly" or "off the dome".

That would truly be hot.


No doubt.


YOP, the world is coming to an end....lol. quotereportlinkAt 3:27 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wrotelol quotereportlinkAt 3:34 PM 14 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteQuote:
Since you want to be a smartass and take it very literately, I'm going to point to you something very obvious. I, for one, play a lot of old school music that was recorded in a one take without all the multi-track software you speak of. The crazy BPM fluctuations are the proof.

Now, let's get back on topic and stop making assumptions as to what WE play. And, JohnnyM probably plays a lot more old school than me, so, I'm sure he might agree. lol


Multi track recording has existed since the late 60s. How old school is your music? Further more, what does that have to do with anything being discussed other than a poor attempt at a straw man argument?


Quote:

For example, SPINBAD does Multitracks ALL the time, and we KNOW he's dope.

He can do PARTS of it live, but doesn't need to.

Now, somebody like Bezzle making a DOPE MIX, we'd EXPECT him to use a multitrack to pull that off.

Try again.


I really don't understand what point you're trying to make other then trying to justify a ludicrous position in some delusional manner. quotereportlinkAt 3:49 PM 14 May 2010
DJ.ReFRESH wroteQuote:
Quote:
^^ It wasn't a turntablism performance in the standard sense - we all know what Craze is capable of if he needed to showcase that aspect of his skills.

This was more of a showcase of the capabilities of the Traktor Scratch Pro and Kontrol X1 platforms.

Did he do a good job highlighting some of the possibilities? I think so


Fine, let's take your example of him highlighting the possiblities of Traktor and Kontrol X1.

The features are all button triggered. THAT was the focus, thus this conversation.


that being said, it still takes some creativity to arrange a routine like that.

you're logic that simplifies it to "button pushing" is one step away from calling pianists "key pressers" quotereportlinkAt 4:15 PM 14 May 2010
DjWoody wroteAlicia Keys is a button pusher or "key presser." lol But she's damn good at it. quotereportlinkAt 5:48 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make other then trying to justify a ludicrous position in some delusional manner.


I'll.
go.
slow.
for.
you.
then.

You said

Quote:
You basically just said that if it isn't done live then its "whack",

Which is YOUR INCORRECT INTERPRETATION of what I said.

I said

Quote:
You INTERPRETED what I said and tried to paraphrase it.


And to give supporting evidence, I said
Quote:

For example, SPINBAD does Multitracks ALL the time, and we KNOW he's dope.

He can do PARTS of it LIVE, but doesn't need to.


Now, SPINBAD ISN'T doing 90% of what we hear him do on the radio "LIVE", but is MULTITRACKING (Button Pushing), yet he is FAR FROM WHACK...

Which is what YOU'RE saying I'M SAYING, but YOU'RE wrong...again.

I've always says Spinbad is the illest....

Do I consider him a "button pusher"?

Hell no.

Can he PUSH THE HELL outta those buttons though?

HELL YES. quotereportlinkAt 5:56 PM 14 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

that being said, it still takes some creativity to arrange a routine like that.


I ALREADY SAID it could be a "Science", but for those who are already "accomplished" in the DJ realm.

For those who just "want to jump on", they may see it as a big "Play/Cue" button.


Quote:
you're logic that simplifies it to "button pushing" is one step away from calling pianists "key pressers"


Nice try, but no, a Pianist hits a KEY, and makes a SINGLE NOTE, arrange the keys in certain patterns, and you have what is similar to Turntablism, or using the Turntable as an actual Instrument TO CREATE music.

A "Regular" DJ hitting a button, may be starting a SAMPLE, A CUE POINT, or hell, even a COMPLETE SONG OR MIX TAPE...thus PLAYING music. quotereportlinkAt 7:11 PM 14 May 2010
sixxx wroteAmen quotereportlinkAt 9:13 PM 14 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteI read most of the comments and damn dont hate on Craze for doin a what i thought was H1N1 SICK vid for NI
so what if he presses a button here and there, im assuming we in the forum for the most part all of us use or have used cue points and samplers at one point.
shit i have the ddm4000 mapped to serato and man its awesome to have more control of your software at a touch of a button.
it also helps me in my case to be more creative and try new things, if i fuck up oh well rite, atleast i tried to do some thing different than stick to a routine.

If the technology is there to make your job easier than use it to your advantage, but if you want to live in bed rock be my guest cus by the time you decide you want to upgrade, guess what imma be waaaaay ahead of ya. quotereportlinkAt 9:29 PM 14 May 2010
DJ Awyse wroteDJ Johnny you keep burying yourself deeper with those logical fallacies in your argument. quotereportlinkAt 10:12 PM 14 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteCraze is progressing with all the tech. I wish I could but don't have the time and to be honest, I don't think I can hahaha. I'll stick to my old school style. :) quotereportlinkAt 10:19 PM 14 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteI really think some people are missing the point...who cares if they are pre recorded mixes...most of us would give our right arm to be able to do the shit these guys do...djing can be a bitchy business but I would rather take note of the great scratch DJ's and try and better my shit...its inspiration guys..c'mon. quotereportlinkAt 1:23 AM 15 May 2010
skratchworx wroteThe last 10 years has been a rapid evolution of the DJ scene, and this is a prime example of how creative doors have been opened for all genres of DJs. It's a big old creative melting pot out there right now.

As Bruce Lee said "absorb what is useful reject what is useless". Yes Craze might be a turntablist by reputation, but that doesn't mean he can't be inspired to add new creative options to his work.

Regardless of what you perceive Craze as, or expectations of what you feel he should do, that's an amazing performance regardless of genre or technology. Don't pigeon-hole. Just enjoy and be inspired to do something good with your DVS of choice. quotereportlinkAt 8:24 AM 15 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
DJ Johnny you keep burying yourself deeper with those logical fallacies in your argument.


You keep trying to use "big words" but haven't supported a SINGLE thing that you've said.

And.
I.
said.
that.
slow. quotereportlinkAt 8:29 AM 15 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
I really think some people are missing the point...who cares if they are pre recorded mixes...most of us would give our right arm to be able to do the shit these guys do...djing can be a bitchy business but I would rather take note of the great scratch DJ's and try and better my shit...its inspiration guys..c'mon.


What's you're doing is taking YOUR OPINION, and using it to challenge MY OPINION (and sixxx's).

If OUR standard of judgement included things like needledropping, real record manipulation, and a display of DJ Fundamentals, who are YOU to say, "Oh, it's OK that he's pushing buttons, it sounds dope".

You probably haven't been in the game as long as us, so we can SEE where dj'ing has come from, what it's endured, and where it's going.

DJ's like us ARE embracing technology, but we can also see the potential for how it can OVERSHADOW the ART, and that's where the meaning eventually gets lost. quotereportlinkAt 8:30 AM 15 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Regardless of what you perceive Craze as, or expectations of what you feel he should do, that's an amazing performance regardless of genre or technology. Don't pigeon-hole. Just enjoy and be inspired to do something good with your DVS of choice.


Then NOBODY should EVER have an Argument against Autosync. quotereportlinkAt 9:06 AM 15 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
Quote:
I really think some people are missing the point...who cares if they are pre recorded mixes...most of us would give our right arm to be able to do the shit these guys do...djing can be a bitchy business but I would rather take note of the great scratch DJ's and try and better my shit...its inspiration guys..c'mon.


What's you're doing is taking YOUR OPINION, and using it to challenge MY OPINION (and sixxx's).

If OUR standard of judgement included things like needledropping, real record manipulation, and a display of DJ Fundamentals, who are YOU to say, "Oh, it's OK that he's pushing buttons, it sounds dope".

You probably haven't been in the game as long as us, so we can SEE where dj'ing has come from, what it's endured, and where it's going.

DJ's like us ARE embracing technology, but we can also see the potential for how it can OVERSHADOW the ART, and that's where the meaning eventually gets lost.


Difference being is that Craze can do all the shit you mentioned so when he pushes buttons, be safe in the knowledge that he can do it the old school way too...and I been DJ'ing for around 17 years but fail to see to see how being in the game longer makes you more knowledgable about it...its hardly changed apart from the past 5 years or so. quotereportlinkAt 9:21 AM 15 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Difference being is that Craze can do all the shit you mentioned so when he pushes buttons, be safe in the knowledge that he can do it the old school way too...and I been DJ'ing for around 17 years but fail to see to see how being in the game longer makes you more knowledgable about it...its hardly changed apart from the past 5 years or so.


No, it's perfectly understood that Craze can do all that AND MORE, but TO ME, (and sixxx), we just think it takes away from what he is normally capable of.

It's like I can appreciate him on TT's more than TT's and a MIDI, u feel me?

The reference to being in the game longer wasn't a dis, but moreso a way for you to understand where we're coming from.

My OPINION can't be WRONG because people say "get with the times, blah, blah blah", that has nothing to do with it.

Your OPINION is moreso "It's new technology, embrace it", which is cool, but we can see how someboy can easily exploit what Craze is doing.

For example, what would you say to someone that wants to get into the DJ game, and they could only afford to buy some 12's and a cheap mixer, or some cheap turntables and a midi controller?

Keep in mind they've watched that Craze video. quotereportlinkAt 9:23 AM 15 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteThis should read...

Quote:

For example, what would you say to someone that wants to get into the DJ game, and they could only afford to buy some 12's and a cheap mixer, or some cheap turntables, a cheap mixer, and a midi controller?

Keep in mind they've watched that Craze video.quotereportlinkAt 10:18 AM 15 May 2010
DJ McKay wrotedamn !!!! cant even front that shit was def SICK!! quotereportlinkAt 11:23 AM 15 May 2010
MaxOneTime wroteThere's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 12:09 PM 15 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view



DAMN! quotereportlinkAt 1:54 PM 15 May 2010
dj_soo wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view


so dope quotereportlinkAt 2:23 PM 15 May 2010
As-One wroteQuote:
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oh yea, Craze sucks. Rafik sucks, Shiftee sucks and so does Enferno. "They push buttons." haha

I would like to see a sample of what you do. Then we'll see who sucks.


That was sarcasm...


www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 5:44 PM 15 May 2010
RogerRabbit wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view

Yup, button pushing is a skill.. quotereportlinkAt 6:02 PM 15 May 2010
DJ_Phenom wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view


That Shiz was doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope! quotereportlinkAt 6:06 PM 15 May 2010
Bazildon wroteOne day I'll be able to do that....and my kids will be like "WOW!!! ffs dad!!!!!" - like (me and) all the rest of us.

Do I get permission from the rest of you ssl types to post a vid when i can do that??? quotereportlinkAt 6:24 PM 15 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteQuote:
One day I'll be able to do that....and my kids will be like "WOW!!! ffs dad!!!!!" - like (me and) all the rest of us.

Do I get permission from the rest of you ssl types to post a vid when i can do that???


Yo Bazidon, you dont need our permission (atleast not mine) to do what you gotta do as a DJ to shine llike a star and stand out from the rest of us.

fuck i push buttins to to start a cue point or to use a sample, shit i do what i can to be different from the rest.

I LOVE HATERS!!!
Haters = PUNK ASS BITCHES JEALOUS OF YOUR SHIT OR MINE.

just cus those bitches aint got no creativity, only thing left is HATE quotereportlinkAt 6:29 PM 15 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteMore than half of your message contains capital letters. To many forum users this means you are SHOUTING your message, and is considered bad forum etiquette. Please consider editing your message so that there are fewer capital letters.

BITCH PLEASE!! quotereportlinkAt 9:57 PM 15 May 2010
sixxx wroteI totally support and understand what JohnnyM is saying and where he's coming from.

If you think we're hating on Craze. You are a moron. Learn to read. Better yet. Learn
to comprehend what you read.

If you think we're hating on button pushing. Think again.

If you think we're not embracing technology, once again, you need to think of
where we're posting; this community. (I even own DaScratch, but don't use it anymore). I do own the 57 and there's button pushing involved.

I believe JohnnyM already made it perfectly clear of where and how the button pushing took away from the performance. Once again, we both think Craze is dope old school or new school style.

Remember, it's only OUR OPINION. You don't have to read it. If anything, you're probably the one getting butt hurt, emotional and even hateful towards OUR OPINION.

PS. If you're religious pray, cause it's the end of the world as we know it when JohnnyM and I agree this much. lol quotereportlinkAt 10:12 PM 15 May 2010
BREAKFADER wroteQuote:
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thats dope alkemy!

+1

+1 quotereportlinkAt 12:30 AM 16 May 2010
DJEFX FROM VA wroteWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! quotereportlinkAt 1:39 AM 16 May 2010
DCD wroteYeah. Who cares that it's an ad for Traktor Scratch Pro and that Kontrol X1? There wasn't enough turntablism in this. quotereportlinkAt 3:47 AM 16 May 2010
MaxOneTime wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view


More "lame" button pushing ;-)

www.youtube.com view quotereportlinkAt 4:58 AM 16 May 2010
kaput wrotetoo much testosteron in this forum lol quotereportlinkAt 9:40 AM 16 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteQuote:
it's the end of the world as we know it



Sixxx, thats awesome man.

REM was the shit back in the early 2 mid 90's, just thought i say something different than whats being discussed in the forum.



Quote:
too much testosteron in this forum lol


AGREED! quotereportlinkAt 9:43 AM 16 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteHave A Nice Day Everyone.

its sunday i need to get my drink on to try and get rid of this hang-ova.

cus im hating life rite about now!! CHEERS quotereportlinkAt 10:51 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteThose who are posting vids of people rocking MPC's are really reaching.

OF COURSE you're supposed to "Push Buttons" with a machine like that, how else are you supposed to create something?

That's it's explicit purpose.

Now, Craze was doing TURNTABLISM, and the core "Instrument" is a Turntable, not a midi controller.

Again, like sixxx said, that same routine could have been completed with a regular Digital controller or CDJ. quotereportlinkAt 11:21 AM 16 May 2010
fshaz wrotewhy would craze use a controller or cdj? and why does it matter? Technology adds to sets by expanding your creative possibilities. and your supposed to push buttons on a midi too. that is its explicit purpose.

Also being proficient with midi does not mean you do not have skill. You can definitely come into the DJ game with a laptop and midi controller. Rocking a crowd is definitely possible with that set up.

& That is what DJing is about - ROCKING YOUR CROWD. It does not matter what medium you use. All that matters is the final result. quotereportlinkAt 11:31 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

& That is what DJing is about - ROCKING YOUR CROWD. It does not matter what medium you use. All that matters is the final result.


Then it doesn't matter if a "DJ" shows up with an ipod and kills it right? quotereportlinkAt 11:32 AM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteYour comparing apples and oranges there bro. Nice try tho quotereportlinkAt 11:34 AM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteAnd no. It wouldn't matter. He killed it. Welcome to 2010. quotereportlinkAt 11:37 AM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteSorry for posting 3 times in a row.

An iPod can also be used as a source of sound, just like vinyl, or a cd. You could have two ipods, hooked up to a mixer, and control basic functions like bass/gain/mid/treble but thats about it. You wouldn't be able to jump to cue points or perform any cool shit. But if you can kill it like that, more power to you. quotereportlinkAt 11:45 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Your comparing apples and oranges there bro. Nice try tho


No, actually YOU are comparing apples and oranges because you negated the fact by saying "Why does it matter".

On one hand, everybody is saying, "Embrace technology, midi, controllers, etc..etc., it's the END RESULT that counts".

But then, if you actually put that to the test, and say, you've got a kid who has 2 ipods, and knows how to mix with them, all you guys would call FOUL, even if he KILLED the party. quotereportlinkAt 11:46 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
And no. It wouldn't matter. He killed it. Welcome to 2010.


He would have killed it even WITHOUT the Midi, and him KILLING it isn't what is being debated here.

At first I thought it was kinda hard to say that there is a "Comprehension" problem in this thread, but there really is. quotereportlinkAt 11:48 AM 16 May 2010
grrillatactics wroteQuote:
Come on guys, seriously. Video is dope and off course he's gonna push buttons. He's selling Traktor X1 & Traktor Scratch Pro.

Craze said this in that interview. I wonder if it's a hint.

" I can’t wait to see a Traktor mixer where they have all the stuff on the controller on the mixer"

Hmmm, wonder who they would partner up with? Pioneer? Now, that would most likely be a mixer I would by. If it was a Pioneer mixer integrated with either Traktor or SSL. I can only dream.


Or A&H... That is where I would put my money if I were a betting man, although Pioneer would be my ideal preference.


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There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:

www.youtube.com view


WOW!!! quotereportlinkAt 11:53 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

An iPod can also be used as a source of sound, just like vinyl, or a cd. You could have two ipods, hooked up to a mixer, and control basic functions like bass/gain/mid/treble but thats about it. You wouldn't be able to jump to cue points or perform any cool shit. But if you can kill it like that, more power to you.


Did you REALLY look at that video?

That's the problem, you're not looking at HOW he's using the controller, vs. sixxx and I who see that at the point where he's using it, for that split second, the turntable is acting as nothing more than a vehicle to DELIVER the signal vs. an instrument used to help CONTROL the signal.

You're not looking at it at the level of detail that someone who's been in the game, and can appreciate the technological advances, but also knows the pandora's boxes that will be opened by "Unaccomplished DJ's" who will take that to the left. quotereportlinkAt 11:56 AM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
There's old skool skills in pushing buttons:
www.youtube.com view


And this right here?

You guys are AMAZED by this?

EVERYONE that has an MPC should be able to do that....

That's standard operating procedure...

That is what's EXPECTED.

What makes it fly is that he's doing it in front of a crowd, and not in the studio. quotereportlinkAt 12:02 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteOh, and I almost forgot THIS ONE...

Quote:

. You can definitely come into the DJ game with a laptop and midi controller. Rocking a crowd is definitely possible with that set up.


So it's more important for you to give advice to an up and coming DJ to get a laptop, midi controller and cheap turntables vs. 1200's and a mixer...

See? That's the problem right there.

EVERYBODY KNOWS you need to learn the BASICS FIRST, and to get the STANDARD for LEARNING THE BASICS FIRST, which would be the 1200 and mixer.

See? This is what I'm talking about, your "DJ" foundations aren't solidly in place, and you're already a DJ.

Imagine a kid coming up getting advice from you. quotereportlinkAt 12:24 PM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteSo you agree with me on the ipod thing.

Why are you so confrontational? You disagree with everyone except sixxx.

The fact is technology is changing the game, and opening up new avenues of creativity. If you don't like it thats cool. Don't hate on people that do like it. Nobody is forcing you to push buttons, so chill out. You are still aloud to use whatever setup you like best. Nobody is stopping you.

Also, this is an advertisement for Traktor Scratch Pro and Kontrol X1. Why are your panties in a bunch? I assume that you use Serato.

Actually, I am a kid coming up. I don't have a setup yet, which I am saving up for. And its actually going to be two TT200's, Vestax PMC 05-Pro MKII & SL1 or 3. I wouldn't give advice to a kid, and advice given to me is taken with a grain of salt. I make my own decisions about what hardware & software I buy, because I am the one that has to use it.

I agree with you about the basics. But know that this also can be done on a midi controller. If it cannot - please explain to me why.

I have been DJing where I work since I was 15. Not using any cue points, loops or anything like that. Just a computer routed to a channel, and ipod routed to a channel, a microphone, and I bring my laptop - all hooked up to a 4 channel mixer. Its a roller skating rink, and whenever I DJ, I keep people skating. A lot has to do with song selection, and how you use the microphone. Moreso keeping people entertained. I do not claim to have any technical expertise in DJing at all. I want to DJ in clubs & start a mobile DJ business so I can make money while in College (what is better than getting paid to play music!) In my honest opinion, from my research I believe it is better to start with regular vinyl and learn the basics before moving onto a DVS. That is my plan and i'm sticking to it.

All i said was its possible to rock a crowd with Midi controller/laptop - which it definitely is. Welcome to 2010. There are some very nice midi controllers out there.

You need a drink my friend you seem stressed. Go smoke a blunt or take a few shots. Its all good here man. quotereportlinkAt 1:20 PM 16 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteIts crazy how long an argument can go on for in these forums. The point no one is understanding is this: The video is there to promote both Traktor and the Kontrol X1 so I would kind of think that he would need to use the X1 to show people its function. The argument of "He could do that with regular turntables" is moot because he is doing the vid to specifically showcase these products. Well I can do most things with regular turntables that I can do with Serato so should I not bother with Serato too. It makes me laugh when DJ's get bothered about certain technologies but are fine with using time coded vynils and laptops in there sets...pick and choose all you like, the fact is, dinosaurs became extinct for a reason...dont be the only DJ at the party complaining in 10 years time. quotereportlinkAt 1:22 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
So you agree with me on the ipod thing.


No, YOU agree with ME on the iPod thing.


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Why are you so confrontational? You disagree with everyone except sixxx.


My man, you must not have been here long. Sixxx and I disagree on a LOT of stuff, especially about a certain battle that took place :-). But I'm sure we agree on more stuff than we disagree on.

But what you're missing, is that out of this entire board, and out of all of our disagreements, if he and I see "eye to eye" on something, and considering both of our DJ resumes and history within the game, whatever we have come to a conclusion of, is probably gospel.

As I mentioned before, you don't have the necessary DJ bootstraps to fully comprehend what we speak of, because you haven't lived it as we have.

This isn't about ME pushing buttons, or me (or sixxx) HATING on Craze, that's just ridiculous. I just said it TAKES AWAY FROM HIS PERFORMANCE, based on what I already KNOW what he can do.

But you know what? He was doing a COMMERCIAL, so that actually explains a lot.

He's purposely doing the overkill using the device, vs what I (we) would expect him to do with the turntable....follow me?

As for you rocking a rollerskating rink with what you consider a "Starter System" being a laptop and a ipod, you're the perfect specimen for what Craze is advertising.

I know what it's "possible" to rock a crowd with, as I've used every medium known to mankind to do it.

But check this out -
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There are some very nice midi controllers out there.


There exists the possiblity that you MIGHT NOT EVEN BUY Turntables...

And THAT'S the point that I'm getting at. quotereportlinkAt 1:26 PM 16 May 2010
SuckaDJ wrote^ I dislike your ways of DJing. To me that's not cool, but hey that's just me! Carry on.

Anyways I think I'm just some grumpy old man (old school cat) that just hates this new tech/style that's coming up knowing that my skills can't keep up with. Looks COOL though! Craze is my hero btw, top 3 haha.

Johnny needs to relax and not get so worked up. I can tell he's re-reading posts to defend himself when he clearly doesn't have to. It's his opinion fellas.

note: capitalizing certain words is kinda cool. quotereportlinkAt 1:26 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Its crazy how long an argument can go on for in these forums. The point no one is understanding is this: The video is there to promote both Traktor and the Kontrol X1 so I would kind of think that he would need to use the X1 to show people its function. The argument of "He could do that with regular turntables" is moot because he is doing the vid to specifically showcase these products. Well I can do most things with regular turntables that I can do with Serato so should I not bother with Serato too. It makes me laugh when DJ's get bothered about certain technologies but are fine with using time coded vynils and laptops in there sets...pick and choose all you like, the fact is, dinosaurs became extinct for a reason...dont be the only DJ at the party complaining in 10 years time.


You're taking my statement of saying the Midi takes away from Craze's performance and using it as a motto against technology.

IT'S MY OPINION. I don't care if he was promoting a product, but I see why they pimped him.

Why? Because somebody will say, "Craze used it", and all of a sudden, "Uninformed DJ's", will use that as an excuse to skip the Turntable and go right to a midi.

You could just as well have had someone who's proficient using an MPC do the exact same thing with a control tone, (controller), a laptop, and a mixer. quotereportlinkAt 1:28 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Johnny needs to relax and not get so worked up. I can tell he's re-reading posts to defend himself when he clearly doesn't have to. It's his opinion fellas.

note: capitalizing certain words is kinda cool.


Dude, I'm not worked up, it's Sunday, the wife is cookin' some hog, I got paid from a gig last night, and nobody got shot in my hood.

It's a good day.

I can do this all day. quotereportlinkAt 1:30 PM 16 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
Why? Because somebody will say, "Craze used it", and all of a sudden, "Uninformed DJ's", will use that as an excuse to skip the Turntable and go right to a midi.

You could just as well have had someone who's proficient using an MPC do the exact same thing with a control tone, (controller), a laptop, and a mixer.


Welcome to the adult world of advertising. It exists in almost EVERY artform. quotereportlinkAt 1:32 PM 16 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteAnd I dont think that vid will make people skip the turntable and go right to a midi. Did you watch the same vid as me. There are two turntables right in the middle of the screen, he uses them just as much, if not more than the midi controller...anyway, this topic is starting to bore me. quotereportlinkAt 1:37 PM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteQuote:
And I dont think that vid will make people skip the turntable and go right to a midi. Did you watch the same vid as me. There are two turntables right in the middle of the screen, he uses them just as much, if not more than the midi controller...anyway, this topic is starting to bore me.



Agreed. No useful information coming out of this thread. quotereportlinkAt 1:57 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Welcome to the adult world of advertising. It exists in almost EVERY artform.


Ok, let's talk about that for a minute.

Craze pushing this product is like when Jazzy Jeff promoted DJ Hero.

Remember the OUTCRY you guys had then?

"Oh, now EVERYBODY will think they can DJ, blah, blah, blah".

The difference with DJ Hero is that IT IS A GAME. Those who jump on the bandwagon and think they will make it, but aren't dedicated to the art, will fail, and will fail quickly.

What Craze is pushing is definately not a toy, but "Unnacomplished DJ's" won't look at like that. They will look at it as a legitmate piece of the DJ arsenal, which may be a pivotal point of purchase if it came down to spending 500 bucks for some USED 1200's, or a NEW Midi controller.

Now, you've REALLY got something to worry about if you care about the "DJ Artform", and what it looks like.

The reason why it's an issue of "What it looks like" is because if the PROMOTER, or BAR OWNER, or CLUB OWNER is only caring about "The End Result", then why should he hire YOU with 2 1200's and great mixing skills, if he can get the same "End Result" from a kid walking around with a laptop and an iPod controller?

You have to look at the big picture. quotereportlinkAt 1:57 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Agreed. No useful information coming out of this thread.


***pushes the "Stop Tracking This Discussion" button for you, if you can't keep up. quotereportlinkAt 2:23 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wrotej/k...Don't go, I'll play nice. quotereportlinkAt 2:24 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteNah, we're here shootin' the breeze, nobody's catchin' feelins, let's chop it up! quotereportlinkAt 2:59 PM 16 May 2010
sixxx wroteThese two quotes go hand in hand.



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And I dont think that vid will make people skip the turntable and go right to a midi. Did you watch the same vid as me. There are two turntables right in the middle of the screen, he uses them just as much, if not more than the midi controller...anyway, this topic is starting to bore me.



Quote:
That's the problem, you're not looking at HOW he's using the controller, vs. sixxx and I who see that at the point where he's using it, for that split second, the turntable is acting as nothing more than a vehicle to DELIVER the signal vs. an instrument used to help CONTROL the signal.


JohnnyM hits it in the head once again. Props on that one man. You and I actually saw the exact same thing on the video.

And yes, this is a promotional material for Traktor and the X1 but JohnnyM and I just happened to see a little deeper into it. Again, not that it wasn't a nice performance.

I'm not denying the fact that you can get creative with just about anything. I'm denying the fact that this is 2010 and there are many tools available to a DJ's disposal. But, it's how ultimately these tools will be used by wannabe DJ's that keeps pushing the DJ art form in the wrong direction. quotereportlinkAt 3:02 PM 16 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
You're taking my statement of saying the Midi takes away from Craze's performance and using it as a motto against technology.


On point, once again.

That's what I was talking about comprehension and the lack of it on this thread.

That happens a lot on this forum. If you disagree with someone is automatically labeled as hate or going against technology. quotereportlinkAt 3:07 PM 16 May 2010
sixxx wroteThe last argument that got started by fshaz about the end result.... you really need to be careful about those two words used together: "end result".

I think JohnnyM's got that argument on check. Keep it up man... and while you're at it, have your wife send me food!!! lol quotereportlinkAt 3:58 PM 16 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteI agree with johnny especially where he types about "Dedication"


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Those who jump on the bandwagon and think they will make it, but aren't dedicated to the art, will fail, and will fail quickly.l


hit the nail rite on the head son!!

i remember when i got my first job and the only thing i could think of was saving up to get me some technics. what kept me in the game since then is the commitment to still dedicate myself to dj'n. im 32 now an i wont say i all ready know everything there is about dj'n cus i still know for me that there is more to learn especially with the technology that is being put in our hands to take advantage of.

overall no matter how many years i been in the game i still need my practice. quotereportlinkAt 5:33 PM 16 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteNo matter what we think...times have changed and thats that...I myself still wish it was just two turntables and a mixer with some vynil but it aint like that no more. If companys are making these kind of producs then obviously there is a market for them and I bet its aimed toward legitimate DJ's too. These forums always have these kind of arguments and I get your point about "Unnacomplished DJ's" that might see that vid and go and get a midi controller and think they can all of a sudden DJ but Serato also does this. Look at how many "DJ's" have come out of the woodwork since SSL has came out. You are always gonna get followers in any artform but its the true DJ's that will still be around in a decade's time and wether the equipment they have is still 2 TT's and a mixer or a whole bunch of technology as long as they have skills and have put in work then they are welcome in my book...the "Unnacomplished DJ's" would have already moved on to the next fad. quotereportlinkAt 7:42 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
If companys are making these kind of producs then obviously there is a market for them and I bet its aimed toward legitimate DJ's too.


As of late, I don't think companies are aiming towards Legitmate DJ's as they USED to be.

I think it's towards anybody that has an iPod, and thinks they "could" DJ.

So they create products that allow this, and "help" to enhance the experience. quotereportlinkAt 7:57 PM 16 May 2010
fshaz wroteYes. Because anything that has isn't a turntable isn't professional. quotereportlinkAt 8:01 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Yes. Because anything that has isn't a turntable isn't professional.


So would YOU consider a person who hasn't owned Turntables a "DJ"? quotereportlinkAt 8:01 PM 16 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wroteAs of late, I don't think companies are aiming towards Legitmate DJ's as they USED to be.

I think it's towards anybody that has an iPod, and thinks they "could" DJ.

So they create products that allow this, and "help" to enhance the experience.

at this point everyone and there mom is considered a dj... with so much available to the general public in terms of software, hardware, the ease of access to music you just have to weed out the good ones from from the ''generic'' dj's... quotereportlinkAt 8:02 PM 16 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wroteQuote:
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Yes. Because anything that has isn't a turntable isn't professional.


So would YOU consider a person who hasn't owned Turntables a "DJ"?

does a cdj count? quotereportlinkAt 8:12 PM 16 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
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Yes. Because anything that has isn't a turntable isn't professional.


So would YOU consider a person who hasn't owned Turntables a "DJ"?

does a cdj count?


Unfortunately yes. quotereportlinkAt 9:34 PM 16 May 2010
sixxx wroteI had the same argument with auto-sync. It's not auto-sync that is the problem, is those who think auto-sync will make them a DJ. Same with MIDI controllers or any type of 'tool' that is automatically mistaken by noobs as the 'thing' that will make them automatically a DJ.

Btw, at this point, I will like to thank all those undedicated 'DJ's' who came to the game and went. Thanks for buying cool gear, realizing DJing wasn't for you, putting the gear on the market and allowing those of us who are dedicated to aquire it for less money.

Thank you! hahahaha quotereportlinkAt 9:56 PM 16 May 2010
wonkadonk wrote*clicks untrack this discussion* quotereportlinkAt 9:58 PM 16 May 2010
ihy2 wroteQuote:
pushing buttons is skills? lolz.... this is skills www.youtube.com view ..... SERATO 2 da Fullest!


At 3:30, there is a video edit. quotereportlinkAt 10:18 PM 16 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
*clicks untrack this discussion*


Thank you! quotereportlinkAt 12:16 AM 17 May 2010
SuckaDJ wrotegeez, get his balls out your mouth haha quotereportlinkAt 1:38 AM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
geez, get his balls out mouth mouth gaga


You must be gaggin' for a reason. lol quotereportlinkAt 1:38 AM 17 May 2010
sixxx wrotedamn... fucked up the misquote. lol quotereportlinkAt 8:26 AM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:


The reason why it's an issue of "What it looks like" is because if the PROMOTER, or BAR OWNER, or CLUB OWNER is only caring about "The End Result", then why should he hire YOU with 2 1200's and great mixing skills, if he can get the same "End Result" from a kid walking around with a laptop and an iPod controller?

You have to look at the big picture.


If someone is providing the same result with an ipod controller than you need to step up the level of your performance.



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Yes. Because anything that has isn't a turntable isn't professional.


So would YOU consider a person who hasn't owned Turntables a "DJ"?

does a cdj count?


Unfortunately yes.


yes a person who uses CDJs is definatley still a DJ quotereportlinkAt 8:38 AM 17 May 2010
DCD wroteQuote:
yes a person who uses CDJs is definatley still a DJ

But only if it's a Technics CDJ. quotereportlinkAt 8:48 AM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotelol quotereportlinkAt 9:51 AM 17 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wrotecorrect me if im wrong, The first TT's ever built had a belt drive.
then technics came around and made it better with a direct drive.
so if we aint using the belt drive are we cheating?
All i see in this DJ Craze is that he is adding more weapons to his arsenal.
and like they said in this forumn he is just advertising/ promoting traktor.
if any of use were ask to do a promo for a dj software or dj product other than serato would yo do it? i know i would, its money in the bank and im sure you get to keep whatever it is your advertising as a thank you for promoting their gear.


Quote:
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yes a person who uses CDJs is definatley still a DJ

But only if it's a Technics CDJ.


pioneer, stanton, denon, numark do those count as CDJ's or only technics
if so let me know cus imma be fucked (not litteraly)
i will need to go to GC and invest in some technics digital TT's.

have a nice day everyone, its hangover monday and im sun burnt it dont go well with my white skin. quotereportlinkAt 11:25 AM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteOnce again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. quotereportlinkAt 11:32 AM 17 May 2010
Dj_Dropz_ wroteQuote:
Once again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

**Cue dj johnnym any minute now** lol quotereportlinkAt 11:45 AM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
Quote:
Once again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

**Cue dj johnnym any minute now** lol


I could have sworn this thread was named "DJ CRAZE Performs......" but as always on these forums things took a wrong turn, someone went off on a tengent and now we are dissecting the whole argument for no reason and bringing in subplots that dont need to be there...jesus christ, lets just for once stay on topic for a little while..its the thing on these forums to just argue over the most inane points..so annoying. quotereportlinkAt 11:52 AM 17 May 2010
vega wrotei think johnny and sixxx convinced me to change my mind.. I'm now looking at the BIG picture.

you're not a real dj unless you can DJ with 9 tables www.youtube.com view

craze is wack. quotereportlinkAt 11:55 AM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
Once again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

**Cue dj johnnym any minute now** lol

Am I too late? quotereportlinkAt 11:56 AM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Quote:
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Once again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

**Cue dj johnnym any minute now** lol


I could have sworn this thread was named "DJ CRAZE Performs......" but as always on these forums things took a wrong turn, someone went off on a tengent and now we are dissecting the whole argument for no reason and bringing in subplots that dont need to be there...jesus christ, lets just for once stay on topic for a little while..its the thing on these forums to just argue over the most inane points..so annoying.


This is absolutely correct.

I saw the vid, I said my opinion, and everybody is arguing about how my OPINION is wrong.... quotereportlinkAt 11:59 AM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Once again, this isn't about Craze. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.


It's that "Comprehension" thing....

Amazing. quotereportlinkAt 12:08 PM 17 May 2010
vega wroteLOL ain't it

think its about time you go back and watch the video again.

every single time he touches this midi controller (that apparently will make promoters hire ipod djs from now on), he has the other hand on either the vinyl, the platter, or the volume fader

Comprehend that for a second brother quotereportlinkAt 12:09 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
LOL ain't it

think its about time you go back and watch the video again.

every single time he touches this midi controller (that apparently will make promoters hire ipod djs from now on), he has the other hand on either the vinyl, the platter, or the volume fader

Comprehend that for a second brother


So you're challenging my OPINION again? quotereportlinkAt 12:10 PM 17 May 2010
vega wrotethen let me know how some random n00b is gonna go from seeing that into thinking he can do the same with an ipod quotereportlinkAt 12:17 PM 17 May 2010
vega wroteeveryone has an opinion holmes

but the things he did in that video, cannot be replicated by only pushing buttons. that's not opinion, that's fact

as craze said himself, this midi controller is actually going to help push creativity in turntablism, not "kill it" and have clubs filled with ipods

so much hyperbole in this thread. sweet jebus quotereportlinkAt 12:17 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteLet's make this perfectly clear.

I ain't trying to convince anyone. Period. quotereportlinkAt 12:20 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteAnd who gives a flying fuck if he is pushing the buttons...its basically like when we are pressing the buttons on our laptops for our cue points (or the buttons on your TTM's). I still dont see a noob watching the video and suddenly rushing out to buy a midi controller and an ipod. quotereportlinkAt 12:31 PM 17 May 2010
bandoma wroteif you were a noob and you saw that video would you be:

A. more inclined to buy the midi controller over turntables so you can be a skilled button pusher

or

B. more inclined to buy turntables so you can learn how to juggle and skratch

just wondering since it sounds like johnny and sixxx are more concerned of the impact this video will have on new djs starting out.

personally, alot of the new hip hop / top 40 djs that i've met are really interested in skratching and mixing. i think AM had a huge influence on them and i think that djs like vice, atrak and craze are are continuing that interest. quotereportlinkAt 12:39 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
if you were a noob and you saw that video would you be:

A. more inclined to buy the midi controller over turntables so you can be a skilled button pusher

or

B. more inclined to buy turntables so you can learn how to juggle and skratch

just wondering since it sounds like johnny and sixxx are more concerned of the impact this video will have on new djs starting out.

personally, alot of the new hip hop / top 40 djs that i've met are really interested in skratching and mixing. i think AM had a huge influence on them and i think that djs like vice, atrak and craze are are continuing that interest.


Thats what I think too...I cant for the life of me believe that after watching that video that a newbie would think that buying the controller over turntables if he owns neither already would be a smart thing. quotereportlinkAt 12:42 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteI don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for. quotereportlinkAt 12:45 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
I don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for.


SLOWER AGAIN.....He HAD to push buttons!...he was promoting a god damn button pushing device...dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault. quotereportlinkAt 12:46 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Quote:
I don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for.


SLOWER AGAIN.....He HAD to push buttons!...he was promoting a god damn button pushing device...dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault.


Again... take away the turntables and put a CDJ in its place then. The turntable was there just for looks. quotereportlinkAt 12:47 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteAND AGAIN... I KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THE VIDEO... Yes.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE is that it didn't impress me.

The button pushing took away from the performance WHETHER IT WAS A NECESSITY OR NOT. quotereportlinkAt 12:50 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault.


As a matter of fact, I won't be impressed by a somersault and neither will the judges. Trust me on that one. It will take more than a somersault to win a medal.

:) quotereportlinkAt 12:51 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
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I don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for.


SLOWER AGAIN.....He HAD to push buttons!...he was promoting a god damn button pushing device...dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault.


Again... take away the turntables and put a CDJ in its place then. The turntable was there just for looks.


Well if you want to go down that road lets all trade in our turntales and get CDJ's cause you can do almost everything on them you can do with Technics...simple. quotereportlinkAt 1:03 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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I don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for.


SLOWER AGAIN.....He HAD to push buttons!...he was promoting a god damn button pushing device...dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault.


Again... take away the turntables and put a CDJ in its place then. The turntable was there just for looks.


Well if you want to go down that road lets all trade in our turntales and get CDJ's cause you can do almost everything on them you can do with Technics...simple.


Almost is where the CDJ falls short.

There's nothing like needle drop. quotereportlinkAt 1:04 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Well if you want to go down that road lets all trade in our turntales and get CDJ's cause you can do almost everything on them you can do with Technics...simple.


1. You cannot needle drop/read grooves with a CDJ.
2. If a CD has a scratch on it, you can't pick up the tonearm and get past the scratch.
3. Turntables have a pure Analogue sound.
4. CDJ's load songs slow, you only need to put the needle to the groove with a record.
5. CDJ's are way more expensive that Turntables.
6. It's easier to repair a Turntable vs. a CDJ.

and the list goes on... quotereportlinkAt 1:04 PM 17 May 2010
dj_soo wroteQuote:
jesus christ, lets just for once stay on topic for a little while..its the thing on these forums to just argue over the most inane points..so annoying.


are you new to the internet or something? quotereportlinkAt 1:04 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:


Almost is where the CDJ falls short.

There's nothing like needle drop.


I think we posted this at the same time..... quotereportlinkAt 1:06 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
And who gives a flying fuck if he is pushing the buttons....


So again MY OPINION is that it took away from his performance, as far as the bar that he's set in the past. quotereportlinkAt 1:06 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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Well if you want to go down that road lets all trade in our turntales and get CDJ's cause you can do almost everything on them you can do with Technics...simple.


1. You cannot needle drop/read grooves with a CDJ.
2. If a CD has a scratch on it, you can't pick up the tonearm and get past the scratch.
3. Turntables have a pure Analogue sound.
4. CDJ's load songs slow, you only need to put the needle to the groove with a record.
5. CDJ's are way more expensive that Turntables.
6. It's easier to repair a Turntable vs. a CDJ.

and the list goes on...


most of your points are negated when you make the move to DVS quotereportlinkAt 1:07 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteI'm talking in a Pure Turntable vs. CDJ situation. quotereportlinkAt 1:07 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
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jesus christ, lets just for once stay on topic for a little while..its the thing on these forums to just argue over the most inane points..so annoying.


are you new to the internet or something?


Nah, but these forums take the cake for off topic rants...and I as taking the piss with the CDJ comment, it made as much sense as you saying Craze was using the turntables just for looks in the video. quotereportlinkAt 1:07 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteAlso, in THAT CASE, you might as well be USING A TURNTABLE..... quotereportlinkAt 1:10 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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I don't know where my last post went... but here goes again.

S L O W for the mentally retarded.

I saw a video.
I wasn't impressed.
BECAUSE all the button pushing
IN MY OPINION TOOK AWAY from the turntablism
that CRAZE is famous for.


SLOWER AGAIN.....He HAD to push buttons!...he was promoting a god damn button pushing device...dont watch a video of gymnastics if you aint gonna be impressed by a somersault.


Again... take away the turntables and put a CDJ in its place then. The turntable was there just for looks.


******CO-MO-FUGGIN SIGN***** quotereportlinkAt 1:10 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteQuote:
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And who gives a flying fuck if he is pushing the buttons....


So again MY OPINION is that it took away from his performance, as far as the bar that he's set in the past.


Yes, but it wasnt a video showcasing Crazes performance skills per se...more about Traktors products...so he HAD to push the buttons. If you think that it took away from the performance by using the Kontrol X1 then Im sorry, thats what promotional videos are for, next time, stick to his DMC routine videos. quotereportlinkAt 1:11 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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Almost is where the CDJ falls short.

There's nothing like needle drop.


I think we posted this at the same time.....



hahaha... and just because my boss came over but I was making a list similar to yours!

hahaha quotereportlinkAt 1:11 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
I'm talking in a Pure Turntable vs. CDJ situation.



ill agree with you that in a Pure Turntable situation a midi controller is really useless lol quotereportlinkAt 1:15 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
if you were a noob and you saw that video would you be:

A. more inclined to buy the midi controller over turntables so you can be a skilled button pusher

or

B. more inclined to buy turntables so you can learn how to juggle and skratch

just wondering since it sounds like johnny and sixxx are more concerned of the impact this video will have on new djs starting out.

personally, alot of the new hip hop / top 40 djs that i've met are really interested in skratching and mixing. i think AM had a huge influence on them and i think that djs like vice, atrak and craze are are continuing that interest.


Well, it INITIALLY started off with MY OPINION....

Then cats wanted to DIG, so ULTIMATELY, Yes, I feel like Craze was just promoting the product, but in my opinion, using CRAZE is like using smoke and mirrors.

The message is that Craze condones this product, so you should go out and get it.

Now, MOST KNOW they won't be as great as Craze on the Turntables, but they MAY IMAGINE themselves as a hell of a button pusher.... quotereportlinkAt 1:19 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:


Yes, but it wasnt a video showcasing Crazes performance skills per se...more about Traktors products...so he HAD to push the buttons. If you think that it took away from the performance by using the Kontrol X1 then Im sorry, thats what promotional videos are for, next time, stick to his DMC routine videos.


But he DID SHOWCASE his performance skills, so your point is moot.

Like I said, smoke and mirrors.

Are you guys trying to convince me of something?

Because I ALREADY want a Midi-Controller....lol. quotereportlinkAt 1:23 PM 17 May 2010
jprime wroteQuote:
Basically, it will soon be considered a "skill" to Push Buttons.



Sadly, though....somehow 75% will end up pushing the button at the wrong time. quotereportlinkAt 1:31 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

all this running around in cirlces is making me dizzy..

Yes, the button pushing takes away from JUST controlling the turntables
Yes, it was made to promote a button pushing device so, that's what it is about
Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.

Hamsters, please exit your wheels. quotereportlinkAt 1:41 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
all this running around in cirlces is making me dizzy..

Yes, the button pushing takes away from JUST controlling the turntables
Yes, it was made to promote a button pushing device so, that's what it is about
Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.

Hamsters, please exit your wheels.



See? Someone understands it. lol quotereportlinkAt 1:41 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wrote^^^Say that *ish again, they didn't hear you. quotereportlinkAt 1:43 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
^^^Say that *ish again, they didn't hear you.


That applies to BOTH posts above this one!

See, BIGWIZ is able to "Comprehend"....

















thus his ability to snag me up on Rane putting something in writing before.... quotereportlinkAt 1:44 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

hahaha quotereportlinkAt 1:46 PM 17 May 2010
ancientyouth wroteSeems like it's a turntablist issue..... Manipulating the platter along with combinations of effects, plus anything else to make the best PERFORMANCE possible....do what you do,when it comes to technology and music, being annoyed with new innovations is rediculus...... So I guess Mozart started turning in his grave when the guitar was invented? Or the synthesizer? LOL .....I applaud any new attempt innovate.... quotereportlinkAt 1:50 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

1nce again like Tribe just for those that can't get it the first time.

*Craze killed it (as usual)

*MIDI controllers take focus away from JUST manipulating the turntables (and that's ok)

*The vid was made to put focus on the MIDI controller (and that's ok)

*It's ok to have an OPINION on it... opinions are not necessarily right or wrong... they are just opinions. There is no need to contest them. (and that's ok)

OK... let's move forward quotereportlinkAt 1:55 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:

Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.



you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking) quotereportlinkAt 2:00 PM 17 May 2010
CMOS wrotelol this is kinda funny:

I had not 1 but 2 dudes i know who want to get some equipment tell me they want to just buy an X1 because of that video.

Them:
"you can do everything with just the X1, and you can just walk in with your backpack with everything you need"

Me:
But what about him scratchin and juggling the beat and stuff.

Them:
Im no tablist. I just want to mix. quotereportlinkAt 2:00 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
1nce again like Tribe just for those that can't get it the first time.

*Craze killed it (as usual)

*MIDI controllers take focus away from JUST manipulating the turntables (and that's ok)

*The vid was made to put focus on the MIDI controller (and that's ok)

*It's ok to have an OPINION on it... opinions are not necessarily right or wrong... they are just opinions. There is no need to contest them. (and that's ok)

OK... let's move forward


Thank you sir!!!! lol


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See, BIGWIZ is able to "Comprehend"....


+1

and finally lol @ "thus his ability to snag me up on Rane putting something in writing before.... "

hahahaha

Good times on this thread. It's unbelievable how eye to eye JohnnyM and I saw each other on this topic. Good stuff indeed. quotereportlinkAt 2:00 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
being annoyed with new innovations is rediculus


I think I'm more annoyed at your spelling of ridiculous. lol quotereportlinkAt 2:01 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
lol this is kinda funny:

I had not 1 but 2 dudes i know who want to get some equipment tell me they want to just buy an X1 because of that video.

Them:
"you can do everything with just the X1, and you can just walk in with your backpack with everything you need"

Me:
But what about him scratchin and juggling the beat and stuff.

Them:
Im no tablist. I just want to mix.


lol quotereportlinkAt 2:02 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
lol this is kinda funny:

I had not 1 but 2 dudes i know who want to get some equipment tell me they want to just buy an X1 because of that video.

Them:
"you can do everything with just the X1, and you can just walk in with your backpack with everything you need"

Me:
But what about him scratchin and juggling the beat and stuff.

Them:
Im no tablist. I just want to mix.


so.....at least they know what they wanna do and their doing it....nothing worse than someone who isnt that into scratching but do it anyway quotereportlinkAt 3:07 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.


you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking)

An opinion is NOT a FACT... it's just an opinion... my OPINION can NEVER be WRONG because it is MY opinion... agaig, it is NOT a FACT... FACTS CAN be correct or incorrect.
OPINIONS can not be right or wrong... they are just the view of an individule... my view on things is MY VIEW on things and therefore can NEVER be contested because if you are contesting MY opinion, I will always be RIGHT and WINthe argument on what I THINK and YOU will always LOSE because they are MY OWN VIEWS and THOUGHTS and NO ONE will ne more correct on them as I. quotereportlinkAt 3:11 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.


you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking)

An opinion is NOT a FACT... it's just an opinion... my OPINION can NEVER be WRONG because it is MY opinion... agaig, it is NOT a FACT... FACTS CAN be correct or incorrect.
OPINIONS can not be right or wrong... they are just the view of an individule... my view on things is MY VIEW on things and therefore can NEVER be contested because if you are contesting MY opinion, I will always be RIGHT and WINthe argument on what I THINK and YOU will always LOSE because they are MY OWN VIEWS and THOUGHTS and NO ONE will ne more correct on them as I.



so your saying when hitler started spreading his opinion that blacks and jews were inferior species and needed to be eliminated he was right and his opinion should not have been contested?? Or when some redneck thinks its ok to beat his wife or child because its his opinion that thats how you run a family he should be allowed to because his opinion cant be wrong?? quotereportlinkAt 3:26 PM 17 May 2010
vega wroteen.wikipedia.org

yup quotereportlinkAt 3:36 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.


you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking)

An opinion is NOT a FACT... it's just an opinion... my OPINION can NEVER be WRONG because it is MY opinion... agaig, it is NOT a FACT... FACTS CAN be correct or incorrect.
OPINIONS can not be right or wrong... they are just the view of an individule... my view on things is MY VIEW on things and therefore can NEVER be contested because if you are contesting MY opinion, I will always be RIGHT and WINthe argument on what I THINK and YOU will always LOSE because they are MY OWN VIEWS and THOUGHTS and NO ONE will ne more correct on them as I.



so your saying when hitler started spreading his opinion that blacks and jews were inferior species and needed to be eliminated he was right and his opinion should not have been contested?? Or when some redneck thinks its ok to beat his wife or child because its his opinion that thats how you run a family he should be allowed to because his opinion cant be wrong??

If that's his OPINION then as fucked up as it is, yes, it is right for HIM as an individual because that is his OWN view on what HE feels.
Does that make it Legally, Morally, Religiously or Socially right? Hell NO.

And no, his OPINION should have not been contested but his ACTIONS should have DEFINITELY been contested.... so Bez, I guess you feel like we as people should not be allowed to think for our selfs and have the right to our own opinion... is that what you are saying... because Hitler and rednecks should not have the right to be able to THINK for themselfs? REMEMBER.... we are talking about OPINIONS here and NOT ACTIONS... b ut OPINIONS.... ie THOUGHTS and VIEWS on things.... NOT TAKING ACTION on them.... just thinking them and expressing them verbally.
So.. is it wrong to feel differently than someone else? quotereportlinkAt 3:52 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.


you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking)

An opinion is NOT a FACT... it's just an opinion... my OPINION can NEVER be WRONG because it is MY opinion... agaig, it is NOT a FACT... FACTS CAN be correct or incorrect.
OPINIONS can not be right or wrong... they are just the view of an individule... my view on things is MY VIEW on things and therefore can NEVER be contested because if you are contesting MY opinion, I will always be RIGHT and WINthe argument on what I THINK and YOU will always LOSE because they are MY OWN VIEWS and THOUGHTS and NO ONE will ne more correct on them as I.



so your saying when hitler started spreading his opinion that blacks and jews were inferior species and needed to be eliminated he was right and his opinion should not have been contested?? Or when some redneck thinks its ok to beat his wife or child because its his opinion that thats how you run a family he should be allowed to because his opinion cant be wrong??

If that's his OPINION then as fucked up as it is, yes, it is right for HIM as an individual because that is his OWN view on what HE feels.
Does that make it Legally, Morally, Religiously or Socially right? Hell NO.

And no, his OPINION should have not been contested but his ACTIONS should have DEFINITELY been contested.... so Bez, I guess you feel like we as people should not be allowed to think for our selfs and have the right to our own opinion... is that what you are saying... because Hitler and rednecks should not have the right to be able to THINK for themselfs? REMEMBER.... we are talking about OPINIONS here and NOT ACTIONS... b ut OPINIONS.... ie THOUGHTS and VIEWS on things.... NOT TAKING ACTION on them.... just thinking them and expressing them verbally.
So.. is it wrong to feel differently than someone else?



YES but OPINIONS are SHOULD be based on information and it IS POSSIBLE that the OPINION is based on misinformation and INCORRECT FACTS. BY CONTESTING an opinion that disagrees WITH YOUR OWN you can present new INFORMATION THAT THE person who formed the OPINION DID not have ACCESS TO and their opinion may BE altered TO incorporate the NEW INFORMATION, or you may be presented with FACTS YOU did not have and alter YOUR OWN opinion. For example I may have the OPINION that I DO not like obama because he IS A muslim, IF I say that to someone AND THEY SAY THEY like him and I tell THEM why I DONT like him and they inform me he IS NOT A muslim I can make a BETTER informed DECESSION. ALSO its important to CONTEST opinions you DISAGREE WITH because misinformed opinions can AND DO affect other people. LAWS that govern OUR societey start out as opinions. MAKING an opinion WITHOUT basing IT ON PROPER knowledge is IGNORANCE

NOW if we CONTINUE THIS could you please find a KEYBOARD that ISNT broken because reading WITH RANDOM words capitolised is ANNOYING quotereportlinkAt 4:00 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteDoesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol quotereportlinkAt 4:01 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Doesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol


no because its my opinion so according to your logic im right quotereportlinkAt 4:03 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteif i decided that you guys are right then my opinion would be wrong i would be changing my opinion based on the information you guys gave me which is in acutality would prove me right....so i win either way quotereportlinkAt 4:03 PM 17 May 2010
vega wrotetraktor wins this whole fucking argument/thread.

its been the top thread for almost a week on the serato forums.

game over quotereportlinkAt 4:08 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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Doesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol


no because its my opinion so according to your logic im right

which means you are in agreement with us so we win quotereportlinkAt 4:09 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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Doesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol


no because its my opinion so according to your logic im right

which means you are in agreement with us so we win


Exactly. hahaha quotereportlinkAt 4:11 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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Doesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol


no because its my opinion so according to your logic im right

which means you are in agreement with us so we win


please reread my previous post


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if i decided that you guys are right then my opinion would be wrong i would be changing my opinion based on the information you guys gave me which is in acutality would prove me right....so i win either wayquotereportlinkAt 4:12 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

o·pin·ion
   /əˈpɪnyən/
–noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
****so therefore, it does not need to be based on facts
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. quotereportlinkAt 4:16 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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if i decided that you guys are right then my opinion would be wrong i would be changing my opinion based on the information you guys gave me which is in acutality would prove me right....so i win either way

NO, your opinion is YOURS, it can be whatever you want it to be.... there is no right or wrong in your OPINION.... we are not talking FACTS.... Bez, FACTS and OPINIONS are NOT then same thing. You can THINK whatever you want.... it's ok... and so can we.
Your opinion (whatever it may be) is right for you.... now, you may have your FSCTS wrong... like to what an opinion is. but it's ok... we are here to help you. quotereportlinkAt 4:16 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

*FACTS quotereportlinkAt 4:19 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
o·pin·ion
   /əˈpɪnyən/
–noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
****so therefore, it does not need to be based on facts
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.



i understand what an opinion is, my point is that opinions you dotn agree with should be contested. The reason being that 1) a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. an opinion by definition is a judgment based on insufficient information, if 2 opinions differ odds are they both are forming their opinion off different views or information. By contesting the opinion and puttting your information on the table with the other persons information is quite possible that it will be enough information to form a complete fact, and i consider facts much more valuable than opinions.

There is no coincidence that the definiton of ignorance is
[b]
lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant
[/b]

and opinion is
[b]
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

[/b]

both are based on a lack of compete knowledge. One shouldnt be happy with an uninformed opinion, one should always be working towards facts and getting rid of ignorance quotereportlinkAt 4:24 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

all this is about Johnny and Sixxx's opinion that using MIDI controllers takes away from straight traditional Turntablism using just the mixer and turntables.

So, Bez... in your infinite wisdom, does using MIDI controllers take away from just using turntables and a mixer.
The FACT is YES, it does, so there you have it.... their opinion based in and validated in facts.... because using anything other than a mixer and turntables to manipulate a record takes away from JUST using those two things. quotereportlinkAt 4:26 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

the thing about an opinion is no one else has to like it or agree with it.

But there are the FACTS to support their opinion. quotereportlinkAt 4:26 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotelet me use a example that hits closer to home on why opinions should be challenged. Lets say a client offers you a gig, you quote them a price and they say theres no way a dj should be paid that much, people should dj for free cause all their doing is pushing buttons and playing music. If you want to make that money you need to inform them how important the job of DJing is, how it can make or break their event and you do much much more than push play and stand there. Inform them of all the work you put in to make the event great. Changing their opinion is what gets you paid. And before sixxx pops in with the i would just pass the gig cause i got plenty of em, the reason your getting paid as much as you do anywhere is because someone along the line worked to get that person to form aan opinion that the talent IS worht the money. quotereportlinkAt 4:27 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:

So, Bez... in your infinite wisdom, does using MIDI controllers take away from just using turntables and a mixer.
The FACT is YES, it does, so there you have it.


i dont see that as a fact at all quotereportlinkAt 4:30 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteYou can use a midi controller to hit cue points to go through multiple samples much quicker than you can by needle dropping, you dotn have to know where on the record the sample is and pushing a you can hop multiple samples back and forth much quicker than going back and forth by needle droppin, so as long as your still using the turntable to control the sample itself and the mixer to chop it up you acutually are able to acomplish more, so your fact is incorrect, now its my opinion that thats kinda lame but to each their own on that quotereportlinkAt 4:31 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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So, Bez... in your infinite wisdom, does using MIDI controllers take away from just using turntables and a mixer.
The FACT is YES, it does, so there you have it.


i dont see that as a fact at all

then in my opinion, you ned your eyes checked
:)

If you are switching between turntables and mixer and midi controller.. that takes time away from the mixer and midi controller... how do you not see that as taking away from that.... if he wasn't using the midi controller, he would have spent that time on the decks and fader... so leaving the tables to go over to the controller took time and focus away from the 12's and mixer... you REALLY can't grasp that concept? quotereportlinkAt 4:31 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

I meant takes time away from the mixer and tables quotereportlinkAt 4:32 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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So, Bez... in your infinite wisdom, does using MIDI controllers take away from just using turntables and a mixer.
The FACT is YES, it does, so there you have it.


i dont see that as a fact at all

then in my opinion, you ned your eyes checked
:)

If you are switching between turntables and mixer and midi controller.. that takes time away from the mixer and midi controller... how do you not see that as taking away from that.... if he wasn't using the midi controller, he would have spent that time on the decks and fader... so leaving the tables to go over to the controller took time and focus away from the 12's and mixer... you REALLY can't grasp that concept?



because the second he took to push that button was less time than it would have taken to needle drop to several points on a record quotereportlinkAt 4:35 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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You can use a midi controller to hit cue points to go through multiple samples much quicker than you can by needle dropping,
No one said you could... but doing so takes away from using JUST tables and a mixer (FACT)


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because the second he took to push that button was less time than it would have taken to needle drop to several points on a record

true, and by doing that, it took away from using JUST the turntables and a mixer (FACT)

which is what their opinion was all about.... so again, their opinion is based in facts quotereportlinkAt 4:36 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

***No one said you couldn't quotereportlinkAt 4:39 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

they didn't say it was right or wrong... or that it took more or less time, they said it took away from using tables and a mixer.... and the fact is that it does.

That does not mean it wasn't good or more efficient it just means that it took away from straight DJing with tables and a mixer and in THEIR opinion, they would rather see a DJ just get busy without a controller.

Why are you having such a hard time with this concept.... you are a bright guy.
You feeling ok? quotereportlinkAt 4:45 PM 17 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteI misunderstood the take away coment I took that as took away from the quality of performance so ya your right there but I still feel opinions should be challenged because anything that's not yet a fact should be challenged in an attempt to make it a fact....... But taste is another story and so is personal preference quotereportlinkAt 5:00 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
lol this is kinda funny:

I had not 1 but 2 dudes i know who want to get some equipment tell me they want to just buy an X1 because of that video.

Them:
"you can do everything with just the X1, and you can just walk in with your backpack with everything you need"

Me:
But what about him scratchin and juggling the beat and stuff.

Them:
Im no tablist. I just want to mix.


/END THREAD. quotereportlinkAt 5:05 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
do what you do,when it comes to technology and music, being annoyed with new innovations is rediculus......


WHO SAID anybody was annoyed at NEW TECHNOLOGY?

Again the "Comprehension" factor.

I said, IT TAKES AWAY FROM HIS PERFORMANCE IN MY OPINION.

That is MY OPINION. It will never be wrong.

Again, are y'all trying to convince me to buy this thing?

I've already SAID I wanted a Midi Controller....lol. quotereportlinkAt 5:06 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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Yes, people can have their own opinion on it and you cannot contest someones OPINION.


you can and should contest opinions especially if they are misinformed or ignorant opinions (im not saying any of the ones in this thread are ignorant or misinformed, just generally speaking)

An opinion is NOT a FACT... it's just an opinion... my OPINION can NEVER be WRONG because it is MY opinion... agaig, it is NOT a FACT... FACTS CAN be correct or incorrect.
OPINIONS can not be right or wrong... they are just the view of an individule... my view on things is MY VIEW on things and therefore can NEVER be contested because if you are contesting MY opinion, I will always be RIGHT and WINthe argument on what I THINK and YOU will always LOSE because they are MY OWN VIEWS and THOUGHTS and NO ONE will ne more correct on them as I.


Uh oh....it's a setup...

BEWARE... quotereportlinkAt 5:08 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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Doesn't matter. An opinion is an opinion.... nothing more. It can be based on facts or misleading information.... but the result is still an opinion.

Sorry M.Bezzle... that argument you just can't win. lol


no because its my opinion so according to your logic im right

which means you are in agreement with us so we win


Nice recovery... quotereportlinkAt 5:12 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteI WAS talking about the Quality of the Performance vs. the literal meaning of taking nanoseconds away from manipulating the record with the midi.

But, hey, BIGWIZ might be the new Johnny Cochran out this piece, so I'll let him run with that argument. quotereportlinkAt 5:17 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteAnd mine (and sixxx's) Opinion is correct.

We both see dead EYE TO EYE on this, so it HAS to be right.

And for proof, CMOS came through with the supporting evidence. lol!

Not one, but two cats wanna get the midi controller and start DJ'ing? LMAO...

See, us looking beyond Craze's performance and how it might impact the DJ world is easy for us because we BOTH started at the beginning of time doing this thing, and have seen the culture in it's infancy, preteen, puberty, 18th B-day, and so on and so forth...

That gives us the edge with stuff like this... quotereportlinkAt 6:13 PM 17 May 2010
SUBSTANCE wroteGodwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. quotereportlinkAt 6:17 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteI concur. quotereportlinkAt 6:20 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteThis thread has become too stupid. quotereportlinkAt 6:22 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteAll because people don't agree with MY OPINION...

I'm sayin tho. quotereportlinkAt 6:25 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteI pushed the stop tracking button when opinion was written 50 times in a post...then Hitler came in to it ?!....damn Craze's fault for all this madness lol quotereportlinkAt 6:25 PM 17 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteSince i have my ddm4000 mapped to ssl as i push buttons while im spinnin to control serato to a certain extent. is that taking away from my performance.

cus if it is i better stop and get rid of serato and just use my TT's and my vinyl to scratch and cut. quotereportlinkAt 6:28 PM 17 May 2010
SUBSTANCE wroteit's not impossible for an opinion to be misinformed.
(Nothing personal Johnny, I didn't bother reading the massive to & fro that had nothing to do with DJ Craze and seemed to involve lots of WORDS in CAPITALS) quotereportlinkAt 6:35 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
I pushed the stop tracking button when opinion was written 50 times in a post...then Hitler came in to it ?!....damn Craze's fault for all this madness lol


But when you posted again, you started tracking again....


DUH! quotereportlinkAt 6:38 PM 17 May 2010
DJ Alkemy wroteMmmmmm....Nope...I was reading the posts, got annoyed and pushed stop tracking...then I wrote my message...dumbass haha quotereportlinkAt 6:40 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Since i have my ddm4000 mapped to ssl as i push buttons while im spinnin to control serato to a certain extent. is that taking away from my performance.

cus if it is i better stop and get rid of serato and just use my TT's and my vinyl to scratch and cut.


Well, you're not Craze, so it will probably IMPROVE yours...

I'm just sayin... quotereportlinkAt 6:42 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
it's not impossible for an opinion to be misinformed.
(Nothing personal Johnny, I didn't bother reading the massive to & fro that had nothing to do with DJ Craze and seemed to involve lots of WORDS in CAPITALS)


You're lucky I didn't have a RED MARKER..... quotereportlinkAt 6:42 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Mmmmmm....Nope...I was reading the posts, got annoyed and pushed stop tracking...then I wrote my message...dumbass haha

You just HAD to push that button....huh?

See? It's starting already... quotereportlinkAt 6:51 PM 17 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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Uh oh....it's a setup...

BEWARE...

hahaha


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Since i have my ddm4000 mapped to ssl as i push buttons while im spinnin to control serato to a certain extent. is that taking away from my performance.

cus if it is i better stop and get rid of serato and just use my TT's and my vinyl to scratch and cut.


Well, you're not Craze, so it will probably IMPROVE yours...

I'm just sayin...

LOL quotereportlinkAt 7:06 PM 17 May 2010
sixxx wroteHitler does the Hitler pose when he spins house. quotereportlinkAt 7:14 PM 17 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteGood point. you dont know my skills like i dont know yours. we all have our styles we all use what works for us or what we think will work for us if not we set it aside.

then again who are you to say it takes away from Craze performance. wether it be just your opinion. quotereportlinkAt 7:40 PM 17 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

then again who are you to say it takes away from Craze performance. whether it be just your opinion.


So, now I can't have an opinion? quotereportlinkAt 8:15 PM 17 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteQuote:
I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.


You THINK button pushing really takes way from it all

or in your OPINION button pushing takes really takes away from it all

unless i misread ya "THINK and OPINION" are not the same.
look here my fellow dj i aint here to pick bones with you or anyone. we can all go back n forth with this discussion and pretty much none of us will be satisfied with what is being said.
its not about whos rite or whos wrong, like i said b4 we all use what tools are good for us. hey what works for you might not be for me and yati yati yata. quotereportlinkAt 8:52 PM 17 May 2010
dj_soo wroteall opinions are not valid. Because someone has an opinion that the moon is made of cheese then it's correct?

the term opinion gets thrown around too much. opinions that are based in ignorance, stupidity, or straight up incorrect information should definitely be called out, ridiculed, and/or shot down.

If an opinion is built purely on conjecture and there is no factual evidence to disprove it, then sure, people are entitled to what they think - especially when it's about personal preference. quotereportlinkAt 9:56 PM 17 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteThis thread IS getting REALLY long. You FEEL me? It's obvious there are some grumpy OGs that think they are high post and think if I (we) think that, then it's GOT to be TRUTH!

Then there are the ROOKIES who argue JUST to ARGUE, and refuses to take a LOSS.

Then there's Bandoma, who started this LONG ass argument and DIPPED. hahahah :P quotereportlinkAt 9:56 PM 17 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteNonetheless, carry on. Very Funny. quotereportlinkAt 10:15 PM 17 May 2010
DCD wroteQuote:
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then again who are you to say it takes away from Craze performance. whether it be just your opinion.


So, now I can't have an opinion?

You can have an opinion. Just as I can have an opinion saying your opinion sucks. quotereportlinkAt 12:02 AM 18 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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all opinions are not valid. Because someone has an opinion that the moon is made of cheese then it's correct?


Have YOU been to the moon?
Yes or No?
Just answer the question.... yes or no? quotereportlinkAt 12:23 AM 18 May 2010
SELECT wroteIs debate class 101 over yet??? So wack.. quotereportlinkAt 12:28 AM 18 May 2010
DJBIGWIZ wrote

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Is debate class 101 over yet??? So wack..

well, you are intitled to your opinion.
=)

hahaha
this thread is ridiculous quotereportlinkAt 6:25 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.


You THINK button pushing really takes way from it all

or in your OPINION button pushing takes really takes away from it all

unless i misread ya "THINK and OPINION" are not the same.
look here my fellow dj i aint here to pick bones with you or anyone. we can all go back n forth with this discussion and pretty much none of us will be satisfied with what is being said.
its not about whos rite or whos wrong, like i said b4 we all use what tools are good for us. hey what works for you might not be for me and yati yati yata.


But check this out...

WHO are YOU to even question ME?

And what kind of ridiculous comparison of THINK and OPINION did you try to create?

I "THINK", and that is a FACT.

What I THOUGHT of is IN FACT MY OPINION. quotereportlinkAt 6:28 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
all opinions are not valid. Because someone has an opinion that the moon is made of cheese then it's correct?


Are YOU PERSONALLY able to disprove that the moon is made of cheese?

What you percieve of being A FACT, is based MOSTLY on what other people TELL YOU.

Books, scientific studies, movies, information from teachers, they merely give you INFORMATION, and it's up to you to decide if it's an actual FACT or not.

Only when you BELIEVE the information you recieve to be the TRUTH, will it become a "FACT" for you. quotereportlinkAt 6:29 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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then again who are you to say it takes away from Craze performance. whether it be just your opinion.


So, now I can't have an opinion?

You can have an opinion. Just as I can have an opinion saying your opinion sucks.


As I can say that your OPINION probably doesn't hold as much weight as mine, so in essence, your OPINION might not even COUNT. quotereportlinkAt 6:30 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Is debate class 101 over yet??? So wack..


Ha ha...you see where this is going...right? quotereportlinkAt 6:30 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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Is debate class 101 over yet??? So wack..

well, you are intitled to your opinion.
=)

hahaha
this thread is ridiculous


I think this thread is DEEP! quotereportlinkAt 6:31 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteBasically, I put an OPINION out there, and since quotereportlinkAt 6:43 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteBasically, I put an OPINION out there, it wasn't emotionally, religiously, or racially charged, but was a mere obversation of what I SAW and thought.

None of which were based on "ignorance, stupidity, or straight up incorrect information."

So here comes the calvary to say MY OPINION is wrong and not based on FACTS, and that it should be "called out, ridiculed, and shot down"

What facts are there? That he was putting on a demonstration of a product where he needed to push buttons....THAT'S IT.

I say it takes away from his DJ PERFORMANCE.

You guys say, IT DOESN'T.

What FACTUAL INFORMATION do you HAVE to say it DOESN'T?

None. It's YOUR OPINION.

I provide a criteria of which I hold Craze too, and sixxx agrees...

So now we're the grumpy OG's who aren't up with the times....but we're probably more advanced, not only in technology than MOST of you, but in pure NON-Technology based DJ'ing in the first place.

And I haven't even touched on the wealth of information that exists between us.

And that's my HIGH POST opinion.....

Peasants. quotereportlinkAt 6:44 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Then there's Bandoma, who started this LONG ass argument and DIPPED. hahahah :P

Damn sure did! lol. quotereportlinkAt 7:28 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Basically, I put an OPINION out there, it wasn't emotionally, religiously, or racially charged, but was a mere obversation of what I SAW and thought.

None of which were based on "ignorance, stupidity, or straight up incorrect information."

So here comes the calvary to say MY OPINION is wrong and not based on FACTS, and that it should be "called out, ridiculed, and shot down"

What facts are there? That he was putting on a demonstration of a product where he needed to push buttons....THAT'S IT.

I say it takes away from his DJ PERFORMANCE.

You guys say, IT DOESN'T.

What FACTUAL INFORMATION do you HAVE to say it DOESN'T?

None. It's YOUR OPINION.


My take on this argument, you cant say it takes away from his performance because hes adding to is, hes adding more things to do, hes adding movment ect so hes adding to the performance, its a fact hes adding more things to it so you can be wrong there. Where you CANT be wrong is if you say it takes away from my enjoyment of his performance, or i think it makes his performance worse ect. These are based on tatses and personal preference because they represent your personal expericences which cannot be dispproven or wrong. Saying it takes away from his performance in general can be wrong because your speaking as a whole as in anyone who watches this will have a lessoned expericence because of the controller quotereportlinkAt 7:30 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrote"I dont like it" and "That performance sucks" are 2 completley different statments. One can be proven wrong one cant quotereportlinkAt 7:38 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
And mine (and sixxx's) Opinion is correct.

We both see dead EYE TO EYE on this, so it HAS to be right.

And for proof, CMOS came through with the supporting evidence. lol!

Not one, but two cats wanna get the midi controller and start DJ'ing? LMAO...

See, us looking beyond Craze's performance and how it might impact the DJ world is easy for us because we BOTH started at the beginning of time doing this thing, and have seen the culture in it's infancy, preteen, puberty, 18th B-day, and so on and so forth...

That gives us the edge with stuff like this...


Yes 2 cats want to get the midi controller to start but if you read his post carefully they speciffically said they dont want to be turntablists, if someone has no interest in scratching or turntable tricks then who cares if they dont want to use turntables, turntables make the experience more enjoyable for the user and add more potential to the performance if someone wants to be bored and stand there and push buttons then who cares let em do it odds are they arent gonna make it that far and their not gonna be taking gigs from anyone whos put in the tabletime and puts on a real show. quotereportlinkAt 7:55 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteHonestly, your opinion doesn't count to me. quotereportlinkAt 8:04 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Honestly, your opinion doesn't count to me.



well i guess ill just have to find a way to sleep knowing that quotereportlinkAt 8:06 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteTylenol PM works wonders. quotereportlinkAt 8:13 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wrotelol quotereportlinkAt 9:07 AM 18 May 2010
bandoma wroteSorry, I don't check the forums all the time because threads end up like this. I gave my opinion on the matter and I respect everyone's viewpoint.

I'll say this, since I've been posting here since '05 I can give you a few examples of how Johnny and Sixxx have been slow to accept the changes with technology and djn.

Johnny, how long did it take you to buy Serato? How long have you been using that realistic mixer? I give you props for finally buying a 56.

In '05 I remember reading a thread about abs mode vs relative mode. I remember Sixxx being against rel mode because it took away from the art of needle dropping. I met sixxx a few months later at a jammy jam and he's on relative mode. Go figure.

This is not a diss, just stating some facts. And like I said, I respect everyone's opinions and respect these djs.

Some things don't change so I'm not surprised that these two weren't impressed with craze's performance. quotereportlinkAt 9:10 AM 18 May 2010
RHUM n MIX wroteQuote:
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I KNOW Craze's DJ skills are unmatched, but I think the button pushing really takes away from it all.


You THINK button pushing really takes way from it all

or in your OPINION button pushing takes really takes away from it all

unless i misread ya "THINK and OPINION" are not the same.
look here my fellow dj i aint here to pick bones with you or anyone. we can all go back n forth with this discussion and pretty much none of us will be satisfied with what is being said.
its not about whos rite or whos wrong, like i said b4 we all use what tools are good for us. hey what works for you might not be for me and yati yati yata.


But check this out...

WHO are YOU to even question ME?

And what kind of ridiculous comparison of THINK and OPINION did you try to create?

I "THINK", and that is a FACT.

What I THOUGHT of is IN FACT MY OPINION.


WOW that was so moving, inspirational at the same time.

From now on im just going to agree with Johny, maybe this way the thread will stop. and at the same time johny will feel accomplished, i mean no one ever wants to be wrong or admit it when they are. but then again some people want to have the last word and johny you can have it for all i care and in my book you accomplished something today and it is " feel good about yourself"

Johny is topman 2 thumbs up. quotereportlinkAt 9:10 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:

In '05 I remember reading a thread about abs mode vs relative mode. I remember Sixxx being against rel mode because it took away from the art of needle dropping. I met sixxx a few months later at a jammy jam and he's on relative mode. Go figure..



in his defense you can needle drop to abs position now quotereportlinkAt 9:25 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Johnny, how long did it take you to buy Serato? How long have you been using that realistic mixer? I give you props for finally buying a 56.


What's good Bandoma, and I don't take it as a dis, as you are one of the FEW that actually has skills to back up what they're talking about.

To answer your question, it took me FOREVER to get Serato, why? Because the main crowd that I was DJ'ing for wanted the SAME 100 songs, over and over again.

There was no need for me to upgrade to digital for a LONG TIME, until songs I was seeking didn't come in a vinyl format any more.

I'm always one for excellence, and since I didn't see any of the DJ's I respected USING Serato for a long time, there was no need for me to switch, as I wouldn't be able to do what I could NORMALLY do.

Jazzy Jeff took a MINUTE to get on Serato, and when he DID, it slowed him down tremendously.

Remember this vid of Jazzy Jeff? --->>>>www.youtube.com view

If you look, he's NOWHERE NEAR able to perform to his abilities using Serato. So, if figured if HE can't make it rock, I definitely won't be able to do it.

Then he eventually got to this point --->>> www.youtube.com view

And I saw that relative mode was now implemented, and I could move forth.

As for the Realistic Mixer, I can STILL outcut the majority on here with that thing, as a matter of fact, I'm better on that than I am on the Rane.

If I never posted a vid of the Realistic, you guys would never know a mixer like that could be used to reproduce cuts the way I can make it work.

My scratching style didn't need a buttery fader, as it was concentrated around record movements not fader tricks.

Yeah, times have changed, and now I'm migrating towards fader tricks, as that is the standard NOW, but before, there was no need.

Same with my speakers. They might be OLDER, but they would kick the hinges off of the "New Powered" stuff that was coming out.

Only recently have they made improvements to the Powered Series to rival what I've got.

So there you go.

Good to see you on here Bandoma. quotereportlinkAt 9:26 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Some things don't change so I'm not surprised that these two weren't impressed with craze's performance.


That's because we expect more from him, and looked past it being just an "Advertisement". quotereportlinkAt 9:28 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

WOW that was so moving, inspirational at the same time.

From now on im just going to agree with Johny, maybe this way the thread will stop. and at the same time johny will feel accomplished, i mean no one ever wants to be wrong or admit it when they are. but then again some people want to have the last word and johny you can have it for all i care and in my book you accomplished something today and it is " feel good about yourself"

Johny is topman 2 thumbs up.


Let's be clear, YOU were the one who said "Who are YOU (DJJOHNNYM) to think Craze's performance wasn't up to par.

That's a stab right there, and all I did was just break it down to you how RIDICULOUS you sound implying that I can't have an OPINION.

I didn't mean for you to get butthurt. quotereportlinkAt 9:29 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

And like I said, I respect everyone's opinions and respect these djs..


Respect to you sir. quotereportlinkAt 9:30 AM 18 May 2010
bandoma wroteQuote:
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Johnny, how long did it take you to buy Serato? How long have you been using that realistic mixer? I give you props for finally buying a 56.


What's good Bandoma, and I don't take it as a dis, as you are one of the FEW that actually has skills to back up what they're talking about.

To answer your question, it took me FOREVER to get Serato, why? Because the main crowd that I was DJ'ing for wanted the SAME 100 songs, over and over again.

There was no need for me to upgrade to digital for a LONG TIME, until songs I was seeking didn't come in a vinyl format any more.

I'm always one for excellence, and since I didn't see any of the DJ's I respected USING Serato for a long time, there was no need for me to switch, as I wouldn't be able to do what I could NORMALLY do.

Jazzy Jeff took a MINUTE to get on Serato, and when he DID, it slowed him down tremendously.

Remember this vid of Jazzy Jeff? --->>>>www.youtube.com view

If you look, he's NOWHERE NEAR able to perform to his abilities using Serato. So, if figured if HE can't make it rock, I definitely won't be able to do it.

Then he eventually got to this point --->>> www.youtube.com view

And I saw that relative mode was now implemented, and I could move forth.

As for the Realistic Mixer, I can STILL outcut the majority on here with that thing, as a matter of fact, I'm better on that than I am on the Rane.

If I never posted a vid of the Realistic, you guys would never know a mixer like that could be used to reproduce cuts the way I can make it work.

My scratching style didn't need a buttery fader, as it was concentrated around record movements not fader tricks.

Yeah, times have changed, and now I'm migrating towards fader tricks, as that is the standard NOW, but before, there was no need.

Same with my speakers. They might be OLDER, but they would kick the hinges off of the "New Powered" stuff that was coming out.

Only recently have they made improvements to the Powered Series to rival what I've got.

So there you go.

Good to see you on here Bandoma.


Hey great explanation Johnny!

Its funny that you posted that first vid of JJ on serato b/c that video made me buy this program. His set was definitely limited but I was tripping out on how he was able to do that with a computer and a few CV's. quotereportlinkAt 9:32 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
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Some things don't change so I'm not surprised that these two weren't impressed with craze's performance.


That's because we expect more from him, and looked past it being just an "Advertisement".



quick question....if you just heard the audio from that performance and didnt see the equipment he was using, you just had the audio to go off of. What would you think about it? quotereportlinkAt 9:33 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteBandoma, get your facts straight.

I would still be in abs mode if rel mode didn't have needle drop. That's when I switched to rel mode.... smart relative mode. quotereportlinkAt 9:46 AM 18 May 2010
DCD wroteQuote:
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then again who are you to say it takes away from Craze performance. whether it be just your opinion.


So, now I can't have an opinion?

You can have an opinion. Just as I can have an opinion saying your opinion sucks.


As I can say that your OPINION probably doesn't hold as much weight as mine, so in essence, your OPINION might not even COUNT.

Either way, I don't give a shit. quotereportlinkAt 9:47 AM 18 May 2010
bandoma wroteQuote:
Bandoma, get your facts straight.

I would still be in abs mode if rel mode didn't have needle drop. That's when I switched to rel mode.... smart relative mode.


which proves my point. quotereportlinkAt 9:50 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteAre you serious? Hahahaha


I love needle drop. That's why I use turntables.
I use smart relative WITH NEEDLE DROP. quotereportlinkAt 9:51 AM 18 May 2010
bandoma wrotehahahaha quotereportlinkAt 9:54 AM 18 May 2010
DJ Super Mario wroteWow... I've read this thread (well more like skimmed once it got really retarded) and all I can say is some people have way too much time on their hands. All in all I can find truths (In My VERY Humble OPINION) in most of the posts on here. I personally think Craze is a beast no matter what he's using and how he does it. Since this video was a showcase for a product it makes sense to fluff it with button pushing because that's what he's selling. If some people aren't impressed by that, then that's ok because obviously that wasn't the target audience for that product's advertisement. I really don't think anyone here is saying Craze sucks (unless it's with sarcasm), and if they are then they obviously haven't ever seen him spin live and know how cool of a guy he is and how sick he is behind the decks, both turntablism wise and as a party rocker. He kills in my opinion... and again that's my opinion... based on MY tastes and likes. Which brings me to the topic of opinions. While I will agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I will defend that stance for anyone, I do also believe there should be opportunity to challenge that opinion, but only in the proper manner. Challenges should have things backing them up, reasons for differentiating, and should always be done in a manner where it doesn't come off as just straight hating. If there's no room for challenging opinions, then we wouldn't have debates before every election. Debates are just structured arguments against two different point of views, based on opinions! During structured debates, we give our opinions and back them up in an attempt to sway another person's thinking and viewpoint. So yes... I do believe challenging someone's opinion has some merit as long as it's done in the right way and for the right reasons.

But there is a very fine line between opinion (where someone has actually put some thought behind what they truly think), and just plain ignorance... Especially in this forum...

*/end rant quotereportlinkAt 9:57 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Wow... I've read this thread (well more like skimmed once it got really retarded) and all I can say is some people have way too much time on their hands. All in all I can find truths (In My VERY Humble OPINION) in most of the posts on here. I personally think Craze is a beast no matter what he's using and how he does it. Since this video was a showcase for a product it makes sense to fluff it with button pushing because that's what he's selling. If some people aren't impressed by that, then that's ok because obviously that wasn't the target audience for that product's advertisement. I really don't think anyone here is saying Craze sucks (unless it's with sarcasm), and if they are then they obviously haven't ever seen him spin live and know how cool of a guy he is and how sick he is behind the decks, both turntablism wise and as a party rocker. He kills in my opinion... and again that's my opinion... based on MY tastes and likes. Which brings me to the topic of opinions. While I will agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I will defend that stance for anyone, I do also believe there should be opportunity to challenge that opinion, but only in the proper manner. Challenges should have things backing them up, reasons for differentiating, and should always be done in a manner where it doesn't come off as just straight hating. If there's no room for challenging opinions, then we wouldn't have debates before every election. Debates are just structured arguments against two different point of views, based on opinions! During structured debates, we give our opinions and back them up in an attempt to sway another person's thinking and viewpoint. So yes... I do believe challenging someone's opinion has some merit as long as it's done in the right way and for the right reasons.

But there is a very fine line between opinion (where someone has actually put some thought behind what they truly think), and just plain ignorance... Especially in this forum...

*/end rant


+100 very well structured and thought out A+ quotereportlinkAt 10:00 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Either way, I don't give a shit.


Obviously you DO, or else you wouldn't be here....

Correct? quotereportlinkAt 10:08 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:

Hey great explanation Johnny!

Its funny that you posted that first vid of JJ on serato b/c that video made me buy this program. His set was definitely limited but I was tripping out on how he was able to do that with a computer and a few CV's.


Trust me, I've had my eye on Serato for a MINUTE, but wasn't wiling to put up with the initial BUGS that it had.

On top of that, I had 2 of my laptops stolen before, remember? And that set me back for a minute.

My dj'ing was centered around being able to do quick needle drops, record changes, and a reliable system.

I wasn't going to experience, USB dropouts, abs mode, and searching for titles, when I could have the record in my hand ready to drop in the platter, AND have to use a computer to add to the mix.

It's like a Corporation running a computer IT department. I would NEVER distribute a WINDOWS VERSION 1.0 of something to my users. I'd wait until all the bugs (or most) are out via a Service Pack or something, and then go from there.

If I would have just heard the AUDIO of Jeff doing that, I would have assumed he was having a problem with his needles jumping or that he was using a Club's built in system with turntables suspended on rubberbands or something else constrictive. quotereportlinkAt 10:15 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteI actually saw Serato in 2004 at the NAMM and didn't get it until 2005 because it was buggy at the time. :)

In 2005, most of those bugs got worked out. But, then new ones got created with each new version. All an all, I'm very happy to have gone the DVS route. Honestly, it makes no sense not to because a lot of music isn't available on wax and there's no way in hell I would be burning mp3's just to play them on a cd player. quotereportlinkAt 10:31 AM 18 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteQuote:

That's because we expect more from him, and looked past it being just an "Advertisement".


There you go folks. That's all.

Btw, Craze is the BEST dj in the WORLD! Yes I said it. quotereportlinkAt 10:33 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
and there's no way in hell I would be burning mp3's just to play them on a cd player.


THAT'S the muhfuggin TRUTH right there!

I already knew that CDJs was NOT an option for me.

But I can appreciate how K.Smizz works it out, and am amazed at it, but it's not for the kid.

I purchased a laptop in Oct 2006 to aid with the movement to Serato, so I was on the digital route since then.

I also didn't have to worry about additional charges for the weight of crates, as some DJ's have to go on airplanes for gigs, so there was no rush for me.

I didn't miss anything by waiting until I did to get Serato, as a matter of fact, I've got SL3 which is much better in sound than the SL1 and 57 and SOUND was ALWAYS a big stickler for me.

Edit: The ONLY thing I may have been a LITTLE SLOW on was probably digitizing records, as I always knew I'd need a digital library, if not for DJ'ing but just for home use.

I thought that, the minute I saw a car radio with a slot for a USB stick. quotereportlinkAt 10:34 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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That's because we expect more from him, and looked past it being just an "Advertisement".


There you go folks. That's all.

Btw, Jazzy Jeff is the BEST dj in the WORLD! Yes I said it.


Fixed. quotereportlinkAt 10:41 AM 18 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteYou're all a bunch of idiots. Can we just agree on that's? =P quotereportlinkAt 11:02 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
You're all a bunch of Sniffles. Can we just agree on that's? =P


lol quotereportlinkAt 11:06 AM 18 May 2010
DJ Super Mario wroteQuote:
You're all a bunch of idiots. Can we just agree on that's? =P


I don't think that is open to debate at all! :) quotereportlinkAt 11:10 AM 18 May 2010
DCD wroteQuote:
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Either way, I don't give a shit.


Obviously you DO, or else you wouldn't be here....

Correct?

No. I don't. That's why I haven't dissected your OPINION and talked about how it doesn't make sense.

Plus, I wasn't being serious. quotereportlinkAt 11:10 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteleave it to dr dubstep to swoop in and unite everyone in agreement over our common bonds of idiocricy. quotereportlinkAt 11:16 AM 18 May 2010
DjWoody wroteQuote:
My dj'ing was centered around being able to do quick needle drops, record changes, and a reliable system.


And that, is exactly what Craze is doing in that video. He's achieving quick precise needle drops by using cue points. quotereportlinkAt 11:20 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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My dj'ing was centered around being able to do quick needle drops, record changes, and a reliable system.


And that, is exactly what Craze is doing in that video. He's achieving quick precise needle drops by using cue points.



hahahaha... that was funny. quotereportlinkAt 11:49 AM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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My dj'ing was centered around being able to do quick needle drops, record changes, and a reliable system.


And that, is exactly what Craze is doing in that video. He's achieving quick precise needle drops by using cue points.


You CAN'T be serious.... quotereportlinkAt 11:52 AM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wrotecan someone explain to me the hard on some guys have for needle dropping?? I dont see the thrill. Not dissing it i just want to be educated on it. I dont think i understand it completley quotereportlinkAt 11:55 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Quote:
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My dj'ing was centered around being able to do quick needle drops, record changes, and a reliable system.


And that, is exactly what Craze is doing in that video. He's achieving quick precise needle drops by using cue points.


You CAN'T be serious....


Once again... we're "here" (does eye to eye motion)

That's why I posted this:

Quote:
hahahaha... that was funny.quotereportlinkAt 11:57 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
can someone explain to me the hard on some guys have for needle dropping?? I dont see the thrill. Not dissing it i just want to be educated on it. I dont think i understand it completley


Needle dropping is the ability to move anywhere within a song by picking up the tone arm and dropping it where you want. It's not the same as cue points (although it may trick you into thinking it is) because you would essentially need an infinite amount of cue points to achieve true needle dropping. quotereportlinkAt 11:58 AM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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can someone explain to me the hard on some guys have for needle dropping?? I dont see the thrill. Not dissing it i just want to be educated on it. I dont think i understand it completley


Needle dropping is the ability to move FREELY anywhere within a song by picking up the tone arm and dropping it where you want. It's not the same as cue points (although it may trick you into thinking it is) because you would essentially need an infinite amount of cue points to achieve true needle dropping.


fixed quotereportlinkAt 12:22 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteNeedle dropping is a skill developed by those DJ's with a keen eye for having the ability for reading grooves.

Reading grooves gives you the ability to be faster at hitting the break when switching records quickly.

Those that have COMPLETELY MASTERED it, are able to switch to a record, turn it to a certain position (based on a clock), and drop the needle EXACTLY to the point of where you needed it to go, without actually having to "Cue" it in the headphones, or even use "stickers" on the grooves to guide the needle to the spot.

It's basically an "Old School" talent that has been somewhat replicated by ABS mode.

I do believe "Needle Drop to Cue" is the closest analogy. quotereportlinkAt 12:29 PM 18 May 2010
sacrilicious wrote...and it's an all but obsolete skill which is why the old guys are the ones hanging onto it and are miraculously seeing eye to eye for the first time. quotereportlinkAt 12:32 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
...and it's an all but obsolete skill which is why the old guys are the ones hanging onto it and are miraculously seeing eye to eye for the first time.


It's not an Obsolete skill as I and a LOT of VINYL DJ's still use it.

You just have similac dripping from behind your ears. quotereportlinkAt 12:33 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteAnd if it's so OBSOLETE, why did Serato/Rane implement it? quotereportlinkAt 12:37 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
...and it's an all but obsolete skill which is why the old guys are the ones hanging onto it and are miraculously seeing eye to eye for the first time.


hahaha

quote]And if it's so OBSOLETE, why did Serato/Rane implement it?

Exactly. quotereportlinkAt 12:37 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteOh damn... fucked that second quote up. lol quotereportlinkAt 12:37 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
You just have similac dripping from behind your ears.


hahahaha quotereportlinkAt 12:44 PM 18 May 2010
sacrilicious wroteI can't believe I'm getting into this thread...I had to know sixxx and Johnnym would reply to my post 5x ha.

As noted by sixxx, there is certainly more freedom in straight needle dropping than messing around clicking within a wave form (and it keeps you on the deck), and the art form is impressive when mastered. I've always been blown away by it in DMC sets.

That said, with the transition to DVS, there's a shrinking use for them. Cue points, albeit limited in number, are more deliberate and can contribute to a routine (as demonstrated in the much discussed video above), whereas I've never seen anybody repeatedly needle drop to a break or skip through a record in real time.

Johnnym and sixxx, you should both switch to the VCI-300 or NS7 or whichever one has that virtual needle dropping touch pad. That shit actually looks pretty cool.


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And if it's so OBSOLETE, why did Serato/Rane implement it?


For abs mode hold outs and whining from a vocal minority, I reckon. I doubt a high percentage of tablists (or anyone else) utilize that feature. quotereportlinkAt 12:46 PM 18 May 2010
sacrilicious wrotePreemptive apology for only mixing vinyl for about ten years by the way. quotereportlinkAt 12:49 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteI've tried the VCI-300... felt like a toy. There's no way I would use it. Not even for mobiles. I mean, I'm too lazy to carry 2 turntables and a mixer, or the space is too limited for 2 turntables and a mixer, I can use 1 turntable and a mixer and use instant doubles.

I honestly haven't tried the NS7. If it's anything like the CDX or HDX in terms of quality, there's no way I would ever waste money on that. quotereportlinkAt 12:50 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteThat should read "if" I'm too lazy to carry 2 turntables and a mixer... quotereportlinkAt 12:59 PM 18 May 2010
sacrilicious wroteI just Googled and I guess the needle drop strip is on the NS7 and not the VCI-300. I thought that was a cool feature when I read about it so maybe I'm a needle dropper at heart. quotereportlinkAt 1:04 PM 18 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteNeedle drop was implemented mainly to get old school folks on board? Just a guess. quotereportlinkAt 1:13 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Needle drop was implemented mainly to get old school folks on board? Just a guess.


It was implemented because it's a DVS (Digital Vinyl Solution). If anything, the control signal was implemented on CD's to get new school DJ's on board. quotereportlinkAt 1:15 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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For abs mode hold outs and whining from a vocal minority, I reckon. I doubt a high percentage of tablists (or anyone else) utilize that feature.


You can't be serious. Did you see those early vids of Jazzy Jeff putting the needle at the beginning of the record and SPINNING IT UP TO THE CUE POINT?

Who has time for all that? quotereportlinkAt 1:15 PM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Quote:
can someone explain to me the hard on some guys have for needle dropping?? I dont see the thrill. Not dissing it i just want to be educated on it. I dont think i understand it completley


Needle dropping is the ability to move anywhere within a song by picking up the tone arm and dropping it where you want. It's not the same as cue points (although it may trick you into thinking it is) because you would essentially need an infinite amount of cue points to achieve true needle dropping.


Quote:
Needle dropping is a skill developed by those DJ's with a keen eye for having the ability for reading grooves.

Reading grooves gives you the ability to be faster at hitting the break when switching records quickly.

Those that have COMPLETELY MASTERED it, are able to switch to a record, turn it to a certain position (based on a clock), and drop the needle EXACTLY to the point of where you needed it to go, without actually having to "Cue" it in the headphones, or even use "stickers" on the grooves to guide the needle to the spot.

It's basically an "Old School" talent that has been somewhat replicated by ABS mode.

I do believe "Needle Drop to Cue" is the closest analogy.



ok cool good explanations, thats pretty much what i thought it was i just didnt know if there was more to it than that.


Quote:
And if it's so OBSOLETE, why did Serato/Rane implement it?



not dissing on it but if time code vinyl dosent have grooves to match the song playing doset that take away from the skill involved?? I can def see that being huge on real vinyl but no so much on timecode quotereportlinkAt 1:16 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Preemptive apology for only mixing vinyl for about ten years by the way.


Apology accepted.

That means you started in 2000. quotereportlinkAt 1:16 PM 18 May 2010
SELECT wroteI know how to drop a duece, does that count? End this shit already damn... quotereportlinkAt 1:17 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
Needle drop was implemented mainly to get old school folks on board? Just a guess.


That's what got ME on board... quotereportlinkAt 1:18 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteActually once Relative Mode was explained to me, I knew the pluses outweighed the minuses.. quotereportlinkAt 1:20 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteQuote:
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Needle drop was implemented mainly to get old school folks on board? Just a guess.


It was implemented because it's a DVS (Digital Vinyl Solution). If anything, the control signal was implemented on CD's to get new school DJ's on board.


Even though I'm not an EARLY die hard fan of Serato, I can definitely see how this would ring true. quotereportlinkAt 1:21 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
I know how to drop a duece, does that count? End this shit already damn...


hahaha quotereportlinkAt 1:23 PM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
End this shit already damn...


i still havent figured out why people log into a discussion forum and bitch about peope having discussions, its like going to one of your residencies and getting mad at the dj for playing music quotereportlinkAt 1:25 PM 18 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteI just took a shit. It reminded me of this thread. quotereportlinkAt 1:25 PM 18 May 2010
DJ Sniffles wroteLong and painful quotereportlinkAt 1:27 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteTime code not matching the grooves on a record is something to be expected, but it seems like the "Drop To Cue" point negates that issue.

My 3:14 mark of Good Times on regular 12" vinyl is at the middle of the record, which is actually the best place for the tonearm to be FOR ME, whenever I'm scratching.

The 3:14 mark on Serato Control vinyl (IN ABS MODE) is too damn close to the outer ring of the record, and I would actually have to change the SPEED at which I move the vinyl back and forth since the needle would be covering more "area" vs. it being towards the middle, where my hand is trained to cut "Good" at a certain speed.

For those completly confused, that means if I normally move my left hand exactly 5 inches to say "Good", with the needle located in the middle of the record, I'd ONLY have to move my hand about 4 1/2 inches to say "Good" if the needle is located towards the outer ring of the record.

If I moved it 5 inches while the needle is on the outer ring, it would say "Good Ti-".

This is also why needle placement is IMPORTANT TO ME... quotereportlinkAt 1:43 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
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End this shit already damn...


i still havent figured out why people log into a discussion forum and bitch about peope having discussions, its like going to one of your residencies and getting mad at the dj for playing music



AMEN quotereportlinkAt 3:38 PM 18 May 2010
CMOS wroteYall should battle. No one battles on here. Pussies. quotereportlinkAt 3:40 PM 18 May 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle wroteQuote:
Yall should battle. .



who?? quotereportlinkAt 3:41 PM 18 May 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 wroteWith or without a midi? quotereportlinkAt 4:55 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteQuote:
Yall should battle. No one battles on here. Pussies.


Well, the two that matter on this thread already battled multiple times. lol quotereportlinkAt 4:56 PM 18 May 2010
SuckaDJ wroteIf someone was to post up a piece of equipment for sale on here, would this thread get locked? :P quotereportlinkAt 5:02 PM 18 May 2010
DjWoody wroteHow about if someone wants to trade some MP3's? Would that lock it? quotereportlinkAt 5:19 PM 18 May 2010
sixxx wroteHow about if someone wants to sell oranges? quotereportlinkAt 5:50 PM 18 May 2010
bill-e wrote...WAR... quotereportlinkAt 5:55 PM 18 May 2010
bill-e wrote...WHAT lS lT GOOD FOR... quotereportlinkAt 6:16 PM 18 May 2010
Kool DJ Sheak One wroteAbsolutely nuffin!

I use needle drop all the time to get back to the beginning of tracks.
or to jump to a break, i just drop onto the two or three minute mark and boom.
Anything to keep me from reaching over to the laptop to press a little-ass 1 or 6 key.
Shit is money son!

And the routine by craze is great. dude is clean as it gets.
All those things and more can be done with even greater ease using scratchlive as well! quotereportlinkAt 1:21 AM 19 May 2010
engel75 wroteQuote:
pushing buttons is skills? lolz.... this is skills www.youtube.com view ..... SERATO 2 da Fullest!



LOL - please watch minute 3:30 and tell me whats going on... does not look like a real "live" performance...
and pls have a look on the xfader... quotereportlinkAt 2:44 PM 25 May 2010
Culprit wroteLove the video, really creative, but lets just face the facts here, some djs have been djing for x number of years and have not advanced, and some have been djing for only like 3 or 4 years and have major skills and creativity. It all really depends if you wanna bitch about others and their talents or if you want to improve your own. quotereportlinkAt 3:34 PM 25 May 2010
SuckaDJ wrotelike mayweather said, "he's talented, i'm not gonna deny that,but i'm god gifted"

truth is not everyone will ever be close to this e . ven with all the practice in the world, their minds will just never be creative enough..there i said it









































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