no offense. but how do u know if they are the K series match?

and what k series did u use ?
was it the kw 122?

im curious cuz we are gettin these for the new club...

this one didn't take off like sixxx's did, lol..........nobody likes ev's? o well

I'd get these EV speakers due to the fact I already have ZXa5's and by next Friday EV QRX 212/75's. I'd only use this new line for Karaoke though. They are a lot cheaper than the K-series and most other powered DJ speakers.

Yeah...I think these are aimed toward the JBL EON and Mackie SRM lines. They are impressive, but they just don't compare to the ZXa5s, QSC K Series, or the JBL PRX series.

I asked some people that heard them at namm and they said they sound just as good as the k series or even better and they are $200 less

Man these prices are awesome I need to here these.

Watchwww.youtube.com

I heard them at NAMM too. The exhibition floor has noise level restrictions, so the demo was in a small room at the EV booth. The video that Tururu posted shows how small the room is. They did sound impressive, but like I said, the room was small with a low ceiling. I doubt anybody who will probably buy those speakers would even DJ in a room that small.

have you had the chance to hear and compare them to all those?

I know for a fact that the EV ZXa5s are in a class of their own. The K8s and the PRX series have been proven in PA applications (I own K8s and PRX515s). As for the LiveX, I heard them in a small room at the NAMM show. And from THAT demonstration, I still like the K Series and the PRX series better. Remember, I don't think the setting was the best for demoing a speaker.

Apparently, there is a vendor that will have them set up in a demo room at the upcoming Mobile Beat show in Vegas. I think they will have them set up side by side with other speakers they sell, so that will probably be one of the earliest opportunities that people will have to compare the different lines.

i couldnt imagine trying to hear the difference at a trade show. songs could be different. eqs. mixers. processing.. all could be enhanced..

even the room itself could be insulated properly to give a more warm feeling.

only way i would accept anything is..
same mixer
same song
same room
same processing

im sure there might be more...

but to just make that comparison right off the bat? no way.. its crazy to think that way...

True, His opinion of the demo was pretty BOLD considering the less than perfect demo conditions. "same mixer same song same room same processing" is VERY important but I will try to take it for what its worth.

I would be inclined to believe the EV ZXa5s are in a class of there own( i own them) because I have never heard a 2 way speaker that can compare to them.
So im more interested on how they compare to the other contenders mentioned.

this guy gave them a review www.djforums.com

and here.... acapella.harmony-central.com

I admit that I jumped the gun in terms my earlier statement. I will say this, when I picked up my K8s, I was able to demo them side-by-side with the PRX Series (the 515s and the 512s) at the time. The K8s did not blow the PRXs out of the water, but were very appealing considering the size and the weight of them. They were a lot smaller than the 515s, but they were able to keep up with the PRX515. At the time, I had no desire to test the Mackie HD series (Too damn heavy), the SRM450s (Had a bad experience with those), or the QSC HPR series (Again, too heavy)...

Since then, the 600 Series came out, as well as the EV Live X. I haven't heard the PRX600 series, and I am skeptical just because of the price point for the Live X. From what EV demoed at NAMM, it just was not that impressive. I have no idea how they were processing the signal and what levels the speakers were set at. The only way I was going to be convinced is if I, or another person, has the opportunity to test the Live X speakers against the aforementioned competition.

If the Live X line is that impressive, it will be even more impressive at that price point. But for now, and for the foreseeable future, my 4 K8s, along with my PRX718s subs, provide me with the best flexibility. I can provide adequate sound for small backyard parties all the way up to large banquet halls. But like I said, when more reviews come out about the Live X line...depending on the results, you might find my K8s on craigslist so I can pick up the EVs.

And by the way, the ZXA5s blew me away. I went to a friend's wedding and the DJ had only those two speakers rocking a sizeable hall. For me, I probably would have had to bring my subs, but the ZXA5s filled the room pretty impressively.

i found the the ELX112P for $499 total free shipping & no tax , the ELX115P for $599 & the ELX118P for $699

those are some unbeatable prices, i can't wait to hear these things, i will be buying all of them if they sound good

only thing that is turning me off, is this a replacement for the force i series? there cheap entry level stuff

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where u see this at ?

i know someone that is at least 30 dollars cheaper on every speaker u listed :)

proaudiostar.com, they will knock $100 off of there listed price

proaudiostar has great prices. i've been to there warehouse before and they seem to run a legit business.

Call me a pessimist but to knock $100 off of a newly released speaker line, which already has some of the lowest prices amongst powered speakers, seems a little iffy... as in build/sound quality iffy.

I guess time and reviews will tell the story once people start buying them and reporting back. You're gonna hear the usual, they sound "amazing" stories but an A/B comparison to the likes of K/KW/PRX will tell the true story.

so i got myself a pair of ELX115p's, there are no zxa5's thats for sure, but they do sound good

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

nice vidz pdiddy, i tried to tell them, maybe know they will listen, i got my self the 15 & the sub, sound F**kin Awsome

I was just going to pull the trigger on the K12 (found them for $700 per). But if I can get the 15" EVs for $600 per (I usually run w/no sub) I may just have to do it. My current PA is entirely too heavy, plus I'm starting to do higher paying mobile gigs, and I want a reliable speaker.

Thanks for the post, I think I'm going to give these a look.

nowwww people wanna listen, i been using ev's for almost 20 years, they make some real good speakers

used the live x 15 & sub four time now, no issues whatsoever, LIKE I SAID, or like six said..lol

K SERIES..... MEET YOUR MATCH -THE NEW EV LIVE X SERIES

LOL... getting that point across I see.

I heard the EVX15 yesterday. Very decent bass response for a top. I played some Lauren Hill until the limit light blipped on the bass kicks. The highs or vocals did not crumble and I could only hear slight limiting on the kick part. It was pretty loud, although I did not A/B them to anything. I didn't spend a lot of time with different music to get a good gauge on the sound either. I may go in today and compare the EVX12 to the K12 because the store has both units in stock and on display.

Damn they're cheap! www.jr.com $506 ?!?!?!?

If their reliability is good, I'd recommend them to anyone wanting a low-cost PA solution but I'd personally go for only the American-made line of speakers from EV.

EVX15 = ELX115

i love my zxa5's now i need a good powered light weight sub to go with them, i was thinking about this one, but not sure
www.pssl.com

That'll be a pretty good sub. It won't be able to keep up with your ZXa5's but it'll definitely round out and give your overall setup a nice full sound. Get the 2nd VRX sub, then you're in the house. You're gonna have to install casters on it unless you use a dolly with casters.

yea, it's kind of heavy, i'm not getting any younger, that's why i'm not sure about that one, i was thinking maybe this one it's a little lighter, but still i don't know----->www.pssl.com

i need to find some thing light that can keep up with the zxa5's

JR has the ELX115p for $506 at JR music world online. I'm going to see if ZZounds can price-match em. I like the 4-installment payment option @ ZZounds. If all goes well I'll grab em this week!

Negative... If money ain't an issue, go for the VRX's. It's the equivalent of the SRX718 sub, only it has a built-in amplifier. The VRX is getting in the upper crust of the JBL line. You can get used ones on Ebay for $1599 and new for $1799. The PRX618sXLF doesn't go as deep nor as loud as a VRX918SP. You've got bigboy tops, go for bigboy subs.

no not a money issue, i just want something that light, 70lbs or under

zxa5's bigboy?

nahhhh, these are bigboy's .lol.....------->www.aiconsol.com

Just an observation bu tisn't this the second thread that is calling out the "K" series? So is that saying that the "K" series must be doing something right? They can't be all that bad can they? I'm not saying that because I own all "K" and "KW" series speakers now... LOL

* but isn't (typo)...

BOOOOOOOOOO, qsc fan booooo.......lol

wow $506 shipped for the ELX115P from jr, damm i thought $599 was good

Hahahahaha... It's all good bruh...

update: copped 2 ELX115p's for $1000 from Zzounds with the installment option. Gonna give them a run for their money in a couple weeks. Thanks again for the reviews people!

screw k series, i need a pair of these...
www.realhorns.de
www.realhorns.de
www.realhorns.de
www.realhorns.de

And they can fit inside a Prius, LOL...

i like the thick sleeves they use on the cables, they look bad ass going into those speakers

I'm watching this discussion as I need some subs to replace my jrx118sp and to match my prx635 but the JBL PRX 618xlf price is way too high for me right now so I'm gonna order a couple of these EV ELX118p in a few weeks. Need to get a review from persons who already got them and have used them.

is there a big difference in sound from the ELX115p to the ELX112p? I like the 112p's because they are more compact but the price difference isnt much.

never heard the speakers, but larger speakers usually give you better and fuller lows while smaller speakers often have clearer highs.

I find 12" speakers a good compromise between portability and bass response, but if you have a decent mode of transport and don't mind lugging around the larger speakers, I would go for the 15s.

For most mobile gigs of less than 150, a pair of 12" speakers is usually sufficient. with the 15" you could probably handle a slightly larger party. For more club-style dance parties, where the music is supposed to be the focus, you would probably want dedicated subs anyway.

^thanks!^

I heard the 112p at the local sam ash store and he just had one of them turned on and it filled up the whole room. so i really like these speakers.
I was thinking of getting the 2 112p's with the ELX118p sub. but if i can get 2 of the 115p's and not get the sub to save me some $$$ What do you guys think.

depends on what kind of gigs you usually play and how large.

2 12s + a sub will sound better than 2 15s with no sub. Also, 2 12s + sub will handle a larger party than just 2 15s.

If you regularly do larger parties or ever want to do more dance-oriented parties (i.e. high school dances, underground dance jams, etc.) I would go with the 12s and a sub and maybe even grab a 2nd sub if you can afford it. Gives you more flexibility in the long run.

If you don't really see yourself doing gigs that are much larger than 150 and you think the sub(s) will just sit and collect dust, then probably go for the 15s - you can always rent some gear if you need it for bigger gigs if you're only doing a handful of those...

I own a pair of K12s and it's usually sufficient for most of the mobile gigs I do (usually 100-150 people). I want to get some subs to go with it but I'm not doing enough larger gigs to justify the cost and I don't really have sufficient transportation to move anything more than a pair of 15" subs..

hell 2 15s + 2 subs would be a great system, but that's usually overkill for most smaller gigs.

I usually do 100 people parties so nothin big, but once in a while i may do a 250 guest wedding. so in that case ill just borrow some more speakers. Thanks for the info Soo. now to get rid of my old stuff :(
BTW really diggin all your mixes. Whens next one comin out.

hell in that case, the 12s would be enough - just rent some subs if you need to do bigger parties...

might have a new mix coming out soon but trying to focus more on production nowadays...

cheers!

^^^ That's normally what I do. Most of the weddings I do are no more than 300 for dinner, and 200+ dancing at the most. In a situation like that, I've been good renting one sub and using my existing 12's or 15's.

For an update on these speakers - WOW. They are definitely worth the money. I'm no audiophile, but these boys BANG and they sound very clearn

did you mean the 112p's for that price? what did you have to do call them and they do a price match?

nope: the 115p's. the 15" ones. I emailed them and requested a pricematch with a link to the JR Music world page. They sent me a special link back that gave me the purchase price of $500 each.

Now it seems that JR Music world mistakenly posted that link and they have changed the price back. But, honestly, at $600 these are a deal! Here's the email Zzounds sent.

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fuck man, $600 per speaker is about $200 more than I paid for a single K12 - and every report says these Live X speakers are at least on par with K-series speakers in terms of sound quality...

I've heard the K12s, and these are on par without question. In all fairness I've never had the opportunity to A/B them next to each other, but I notice no difference in sound quality between the two. The Live X's hit a bit harder than the K12s, but I attribute that to the 12" vs 15" woofer size.

The K series are the standard by which speakers are measured (within reason price-wise) and these are up there with them from what I can tell so far.

Fixed. The Mackie SRM450 is the old standard. I'd really like to A/B the LiveX 12" to the K12's too just to see what EV put into them.

Has anyone compared the elx118p to the kw181?

www.peachstateaudio.com

12" speaker shootout. Not a lot of detail as far as the testing parameters.

Gaffe now you make me wanna go and get some KW 122's, LOL...

At $1099 a piece... I wouldn't. I'd be happy with the K12's. I believe the only + is a wood box... sure that lends to better sound but $300 more? Naw...

QSC rapin errybody up in herre! Lol

Btw smitty, I'm lookin at the jbl prx612 now too. Lol

I still want those PRX 625's man, then I'll be done...

What if I could get them both for $400 more? I'd take back my K12's and swap em for the 122's...

the ev elx112p did better than the qsc k12, one again

K SERIES..... MEET YOUR MATCH -THE NEW EV LIVE X SERIES

the main reason i like ev's, nice clean smooth sound, doesn't break up when you push it, & it's not harsh on the hight end like some others

I know, why don't you get the 625's and let me use them when you don't...

HAHA! can't afford those joints. but i may be able to swing the 612's

Nice... I think you're holding out on me though and wanna just show up to a gig and bust 'em out on me... LOL...

If you're still within the 30 days, have the loot AND feel they sound that much better, then I'd go for it. My opinion is you'd be better served with another KW18 sub.

Here's why:
You're 6 deep on the QSC stuff and you toss in a pair of JBL. (nitpicky, I know)
If you get those PRX625's... how are you planning on mounting them?
If you do a big function with 2 PRX625's... you'll need to get them up in the air above the crowd's heads. You'll either have to put them on a stage OR get painters scaffolding like I did and build a top platform to rest the speaker on. You'll then have a pair of 139dB tops over a pair of 135dB subs... not a favorable ratio of highs to lows.

"Bass is the Place" - Newcleus ... or was that "Space is the Place"?

Or what about the KW 153's instead of the 625's? I'm really not planning on mounting those joints as they would just sit on the floor... Any more subs and I need a rental van to haul. Mike_P and I were together at an open house and he can attest to the fact I fit all my "ish" in my Dj Ride (Flex) 2 K8's, 2 K12's, 2 KW181's, coffin, wire box, dj bag, etc... Just looking for those 15's to complete my sound array... Glad I know you Gaffle, LOL...

I was able to test out the K12s at a party yesterday. The room was pretty big. it was at a hotel and the room was 2 rooms in one. One half was for the dinner tables and the other half was for the dance floor. I placed the speakers on the side of me, about 8 feet or so away from me and 2-4 feet in front of me. I can feel the bass in deep mode, and I was pleased. But once I got in front of them, the speakers lost its bass but had great HIGHS. Im sure these will be great for a back yard boogie but definitely no hall. If I had a Ksub, the system would have been perfect. The party was for 50 people and they didnt pay much so thats why I decided to borrow the K12s and test them out. My next mission is to test out the KWs.

The PRX625's would be much louder than the KW153, lighter and I would think it would sound better especially up to clip levels but the 625's Achilles heal is its inability to pole mount. If you put a full-range top like the KW153 or PRX625 on the floor, the dancefloor bodies would soak up all the sound and no one in the back of the room would hear any clarity. The middle of the dancefloor probably wouldn't get much clarity. Even if you raise the speakers by sitting them on top of your KW181's, they'd still be too low. Now the KW153 has a pole mount (thank goodness) but I believe you need to find the widest leg-spreading tripole you can find because that speaker is really heavy at 87 lbs. Don't want that sucker tipping over. I think QSC recommends pole mounting the KW153 only via a subwoofer pole mount (ie: KW181 polemount).


Party for 50 people, sounds like a great fit for KSub. Anything over say 125-150... I'd be looking for a KW181.

just an update on the reliability of the live x line, dj'd friday night 8.50 pm till 2 am

got in the next day, i forgot to turn the speaker off the night before, started playing again dj'd saturday 9 pm til 2 am

the speaker was on from 8 50 pm friday till 2 am sunday, worked without any issues

Just can't seem to find any legitimate bad reviews of this line.

yeah i'm definitely trying to get a pair of these

Which line of EV's do you have

LIVE X LINE. Search it on PSSL.COM

definitely gonna cop a pair of these within the next month. I was planning on being a club dj, but I guess doing mobiles is my calling

the thing i like with the qsc's is the fan, def think the 153's are the way to go for tops(or k12 for more portable)I just ran 4 181's and 4 153's, and i think 4 181's and 2 153's would match up perfect(2 181's stacked with the 153 on top)......anyone know what other self powered speakers have fans?

did you read my post

Yes i did but i simply wasnt impressed,.... Honestly id rather use the ev zxa5's.....they have fans....in the long run, you want fans.....

i have a pair of zxa5's, but not everyone can afford $1,300 to $1,700 for one speaker the, live x speaker is a great choice for $600 per speaker


i'm impressed by sound not fans, the live x speaker sounds better than the k series

definitely, my TOTAL budget for a pair of speakers is about 1200. I'd love to have "the best", but right now I'll go for the best value / money.

I combined the my KW122 with my friends HPR152i and wow. This combination sounded great.

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Just scored some b-stock specials from audiostar - $1500 shipped for 2 ELX112Ps and 1 ELX118P. WIll post up some reviews when I get it up and running...

not to bad, you got it $200 cheaper, i got a pair of elx112p's for $499 each & a elx118p for $699 shipped new, you will be very happy with the sound

so how do u like the "smell" of them. hahah

can't beat free shipping on powered subs and speakers too - pssl would charge at least 200 for shipping

not a fan of the lighting rig in front of the booth - probably look a little better behind it...

i agree, thats just asking for someone to trip

I agree. but the dance floor was 5-6 in front of that. Thats why I put it there. It was a big venue but only 80 guest. Next time I'll set them up behind.

We are LOVERS of both EV and QSC. The EV ZX series is more of a match to the QSC-K series line. The Live X is the next best thing since sliced bread for how much you save and how much you get. YET there is still a clear difference with the k12's. They are better in the area of total vocal clarity/sound. There is a reason why they are more money, it's just that simple! Both deserving of anyone purchasing them. We feel that the Live-X is truly a AWESOME cabinet for the money. Would we buy a EV live-X over ANYTHING ELSE in the same price range. YES! Would we buy a QSC K-series over ANYTHING ELSE in that price range, YES!

We love our EV rep, We love the EV brand. YET do not believe that the Live X series runs neck n neck with the Kseries QSC. Not a fair comparison. Higher priced EV speakers is what we call apple to apple comparison.

EV live-X = Worth every last penny!

QSC Kseries = Worth every last penny!

Just not the same quality. Now I bet you if EV made a similar cabinet to the k series and sold it for the same price point. That EV would easily run neck n neck all day long!.

So in short:

1. If you need to save money and still get awesome sound. Pick EV live X

2. If you have the money to spend and want a little higher end clarity, pick QSC k-series.

Nope... the ZX series competes with the likes of RCF Art 7-series, KV2 and FBT. It also fits in the aforementioned's price ranges. The ZXa's trump them all IMO as far as 2-way powered speakers. If I were comparing a powered EV speaker to the K12, I'd say the EV SXa360 12" would be comparable. I think it has a better sound quality overall but the bass on them is not as deep, they don't look as nice as the QSC's nor do they have as many back panel features.

QSC has a great product in their K and KW series with an excellent warranty. They seem like the powered-speaker standard right now.

We actually were trying to change our posting but have no idea how to edit it. We would like to clarify a bit more. We agree with you. Would I pick an EV ZX series over all the others that are priced the same.. Yes! We totally agree with you. That's why we mentioned that a more fair comparison to the QSC K-series would be the higher priced EV's. and we meant to say that the ZX5 is clearly better in our opinion over the K-series. Yet never taking one ounce of worthiness away from QSC.

Take care, God Bless people! We always feel more at ease when we see more educated consumers out there that care about REAL quality products. :-) Can you tell we are tired of seeing the knockoff stuff out there that says 2000watt speakers and you can get them for under $300.00 the knockoff products can count on all the cheap minded consumers out there and that's how they thrive. Not to mention a bad economy. When we introduce a cheap cabinet to someone, we tell them all the pro's and con's and NEVER once sugar coat it.

I feel the same way and always try to suggest quality over cheap fetti products.

That's why we always tell people when they start a dj/karaoke business that if they are invest more to be higher end than your average run of the mill host who only spends $1,500-$2,000 on a full entry level system.

We stress that they should make a nice folder with glossy photos of their system set up, a youtube video of the system, and even photos of your average system and price breakdowns of what your average dj/kj has with entry level systems and what is invested in a higher end system. It helps the customer who you are trying to sell your services to get a better picture of why you CANNOT do it for peanuts like the next guy. Or explain the fact that even though the average human cannot pinpoint why they keep going back to a certain bar/host or why they stay longer to have more fun. It is directly related to sound quality/pride in the system. I have had a cheap system in one bar and noticed a drop in attendance and then after changing it out for a system that had Allen & Heath mixer, BBE processors, QSC K12's, 2 K subs, 2nd eq with feedback detection and suppression, EV microphones, and the list goes on. You clearly see a long term effect to people wanting to hang out with your system. This is a theory we test over and over and it works.

I used to help my brothers get systems and I had one brother spend $2k on his first system and helped him to realize that having that entry level system actually helps him when he spends 3-4 times that amount on his second system. He can actually offer two packages to the consumer. Shoot it straight every time to people and do it from the heart. Many consumers will understand the difference when you take that time to explain the difference and even back it up by saying: You are willing to prove to them why your huge investment cannot equal a cheaper paying gig. You can present the cheaper quality system and a regular dj kid just to play music and call it a day. Clearly showing that you not only take pride in having a higher end experience ready to go, you also accommodate those that cannot spend the money to hire the truly AWESOME DJ'S with the REAL DEAL equipment.

We deal with people who want full club installs and then want you to install low end equipment. Even one company that refused to listen to reason installed junk into the club because we said we would not touch the club if they were not willing to do it right. Well, ya know what! Now they are crying because the guy that installed it will not support the product now, and they are losing customers because SMART people are saying.. That club sucks! Hmmm, wonder why.

By the way. A side nite. Please support Anti-piracy and DO NOT buy loaded dj/ karaoke drives off vendors/online stores that are selling tens of thousands of songs for next to nothing. It really does hurt your legit businesses.

IMHO...I have compared the EV ZXA1 to the QSC K8 and the K8 (to my ears) just sounds louder and clearer. But the ZXA5 is a different story. Those are some of the loudest and best sounding portable speakers I have come across. I heard them in a pretty large venue, and they pretty much filled up the room.

In this case, you really cannot compare the K series product line to the ZX product line. There are only 2 ZX powered speakers. So really, to me, the ZXA1 is not as good as the K8, but the ZXA5 is better than any of the K Series, and maybe even the KW series.

Yes, I think we are all saying the same thing, just in a different way. Agreed.

I agree, the ZXa1's don't sound as good as K8's.

By the way. I remember listening to the EV system that if I remember correctly, it was the one just below the cobra sys. Had 3 speakers on each side. Subs/Mids/Highs, came with a rack of amps. I was completely BLOWN AWAY when I listened to them. They sold for over $20,000 and could easily do an outside gig of over 1,000 people, and I do mean a big gig. Was pretty awesome to experience that.

Also, What a shame that they got rid of the beloved EV Force I speakers. They were BEYOND amazing for how cheap they were. And what a wonderful look to them too. I still think they should of made the new powered speakers look like the EV forces but with some small changes. In fact, I would of designed them for EV if they had given me that opportunity.

Of course the QSC speakers look much better than the EV live X. When I was at the trade show in Cali to hear them for the first time. I listened to other dealers that must of been friends of some of the EV guys and all I heard was WOW, the best, etc.

There is a line between shooting it straight and then just being a salesperson like 99% of every salesperson I have ever met. EV should of marketed their speaker more so in the area of concentrating on helping people understand just how awesome they are for the price. I for one did not like all the hype going around making the new live-x out to be the best thing on the planet. True, they are amazing speakers at their price point, but they still do not belong next to some of the higher priced models.

Before I forget. The live-x 12's sound better paired with the 18 subs. Although if you are outside, you must get the 15's. Hope that made sense.

Just tested the EV ELX115P (Just one since i'm waiting for the other to arrive) and I'm blown away. The clarity of the highs and lows are incredible.
Now i'm not gonna lie, the bass is punchy but it's NOT as punchy as the one my SAMSON DB500a delivers.
But overall the I'm blown away by the loudness of these EV lives.
I'm doing a wedding this Saturday so I will get to real test them.
I guess when i save enough money I'll get a Subwoofer to compliment my sound system
Very happy with my new EV's

^^ they look good too

www.angelfire.com

^^^ They look bulky and heavy..

They are only 40 lbs each... and the 18 in subs are 70 lbs... I have been lifting speakers for years, these are way better to lift than any of my other powered 15's. They have nice handles to grab onto the photo above does make them look kinda fat though... Great speakers for the dough!

Here is a pic of my set with the subs maybe it will help see the true size...
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Do the 18 powered sub have casters on the back?

They look good in this pic. How the subs???

No.

^^Oh man, no bueno on that one....but I guess one could add their own.

my Samsons DB500a weight like 63 pounds. My new 15" EV LIves weight about 53 so i feel the difference already.
I was going to get the 12" EV's but i liked the sound of the bigger wodded box better.

Discobee they don't but I have a Rock n Roller R6 www.google.com to pull around my gear. Both subs fit on it side by side. I usually stack the 15's on top to save a trip. The subs sound great, the only thing I have noticed is that I can peak the subs easily, I have to set the levels to half in order not to have the peak light come on. The sound out of the setup is extremely nice, I get tons of comments about how good the sound was... Over all I can't complain they work well together. gian13 I will probably order the 12's soon as well. I have a lot of use for some side and back fill and they will work perfect...

^^Wow both subs can fit on top of the handtruck at the same time? That's pretty convenient, I dig that. Might be time to sell my Mackies and go EVs. (shhhh don't let the wife hear this) lol.

KW 153's FTW

to heavYYY!!!

Workout weakling, LOL...

man, i be 40 soon, i don't want nothing heaver than 50 pounds

EV ZXA5'S FTW!!!!!!

Man I am 40 and 87lbs. ain't nothing, LOL... KW 153's fo' life....

Are you using them by themselves or with subs???

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If he can lift them so can you, LOL...

I'll be using them with the 181's on June 5th and the 24th... Two big receptions and for the 24th I'm also using my 8's wirelessly to cover the room with sound... Kinda showing off to future clients on that day... Nice clean, professional look Djaward....

man you guys can have that no way i'm carrying heavy gear around, i go to gigs buy my self no roadies, thats why i got the zxa5's they sound awesome for there size, they even have good bass alone without a sub

Been using kw 153's with kw 181's, ...... Lovin it...... the sound of the three way is so much more full than any two way ive heard (including my zxa5's).....two 181's stacked with a 153 on top is a perfect match IMO...... When i first used 1 181 and a pole mounted 153, i had to turn down the 153's to 1/4 and the subs up to 3/4, now theyre both at about half and even in strength... 8 kw 181's and 4 153's rocks up to 800 people without breaking a sweat.....
I recomend a rock and roller to anyone moving gear.......makes an extra 20 -30 pounds a non issue....
I literally pick up nothing..... Just flip it sideways onto the cart.... Work smart not hard:)

What type of party is the 24??

Too each is own. Too heavy is right. Lifting it once to take a picture... dont let that picture deceive you, anyone could do that. Strength has nothing to do with it. Its a tall akward box, hard to move around without bumpin your knees or chin. To compensate you'll turn them sideways, sucks for your back. Pain in the ass to load into the ride. You will not be moving and working with them like that lol. The weight just sucks! You'll sweat your ass off and sprain your back if your not carefull. They are bottom heavy so on stands they dont even flinch. You dont need any special stands. I had the 153s and hated them after gigging out with them. I also use a rock and roller, but lets face its only used at the gigs. Also for the size of the box I thought i would get more sound. Seems like you need alot of them. Kinda weak if you ask me. Its bigger than most dual tops for christ sakes! The KW152s put out the same IMO and are a far better choice for mobile work. For the record I like QSC a lot so dont get me wrong. I told my brother to get the KW122s and Im picking up some QSC amps soon.

Definately very awkward to carry.... With mounting poles the word "nightmare" comes to mind haha

Yeah it was, two people to lift or you'll have to lay em down and then lift them up with poles attached. I was using some cheap speaker poles, kids jumping around them all night. I brought them out for this gig I did with a DJ associate of mine-
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A reception...

Yessir!!!!!

SLE

Cool, I think they look and sound great. The best looking of the bunch for sure and the wood enclosures give them a really nice bass note. QSC makes quality stuff and the fans on the back are a big win! That same night from that video they kept going into the red. Not once did they turn off though! They kept rocking.

How to mount heavy speaker by yourself (THE SMART WAY)
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Why did he say the Mackie has a Crown amp in it (:45 second mark)?

or speaker mount....
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thats a good way to fuck up your stands and scratch the shit out of your speaker.

^^ after watching those 2 videos all I can say is I DON'T KNOW WHOSE MORE RETARDED, THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE VIDEOS OR THE ONES WHO WATCH THEM.

if you have problems placing your speaker in your stand you have 2 options:
- Upgrade your spekaer to something as powerful but lighter
- or just quit dj'ing because you're alreay too old care about your lower back

No way its going to brake your stand unless u buy the cheap bullshit stands. One would have to be on a new level stupid if they could not figure out how to not scratch their speakers. They should quit djing immediately and focus on more important things like How the hell did they survive this long.

Yo... any of my fellow EV LIVE 15 owners found any speaker bags for these yet?

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Those won't last very log. They rip, they slack up and no longer provide a tight fit for your speakers. I bought two of those same types from the same vendor for my ZXa5's trying to save money. I should have gotten my Tuki's from the get go. Either the factory covers (if they make 'em), Tuki or Cloud 9 are the best choices.

so the consensus isssssss??? k series right??

come on MANNNNNN, were talkin covers not speakers right now


& NOOO the consensus is not k, IT"S LIVE XXXXXX xxxxx........lol

My buddy and I did a side by side with an elx112p and k12 over the weekend. We favored the elx greatly over the k12. We even tested the both with and without subs (Same sub). Still, the ev won out. I was really impressed with with the clarity and response of the ev.

this is what i been saying all along, better sounding & cheaper!!!!!

Wow I find it hard to believe, but that would be very impressive at that price range. How do you think they will hold up after a few years? I has some EV speakers in the past that blew out. The QSCs have an excellent warranty and resale value. That seems like a better investment IMO.

Interesting, this guy did the QSC K vs EV comparison and the EV won.

at 4:00 min mark-
Watchwww.youtube.com

I love my QSC's and basically can only say what's probably been said, "to each his own"... A 6-year warranty (FREE) is hard to beat along with a quality product...

so yeah... we dropped 6 kw 122s and 8 kw 181s into our club. and it fuckin CRUSHES!!! who would have thought powered speakers will murder a club>?

SICK!!

Bananas!!!!!!

Id love to hear this system bump..

Awesome!!!!!!!!

QSC K-Series Meet Your Savior...the Mackie SRM 450.

Last night at a wedding gig, one of my buddy's K10 crapped out on him during dinner music time (probably about 2-3 years old with light to moderate use). I got a phone call from him and scrambled to rescue him. I brought my trusty Mackie SRM 450 v2 to him and the rest of evening went fine.

Moral of story: EVERY brand and type of electronic gear can Fail at any given time. Always try to bring backup of the most necessary equipment.

Side note: I just wanted to rub it in that a Mackie saved a QSC. But the QSC is still under warranty so he's lucky.

This is the exception and not the norm. Lets not get carried away. The great thing is the qsc is still under warranty.

it's ashame it wasn't a ev live x that saved the day.....lol.

this method WILL fuck up your stands over time. i've seen it time and time again. and as far as scratching up your box, most cats can't move their speakers from their car to the gig without scratching them up, so how you think this method is gonna work out for them? lol

I just bought 4 open box EV Live X 112P's from Proaudiostar for $425 each. Will check them out and provide some feedback when I get them in.

Damn thats really cheap. Wow, I would probably grab a pair for that price. Let us know how they work out.

Yea it was on Ebay at $475 each or Make Offer....so I offered $425 x 4 and they bit. Gonna unload my trusty Mackie 450s if these EVs turn out to be the real deal Holyfield.

you will be saying bye bye to those makies!!!!!!

i have been reading this thread. i'm about to get a pair of live x's as well. just have a question if anyone tested live x 12's or 15's under extreme conditions. i have a full 4th of july weekend with dj and a band where these speakers are going to be in the sun operating at max volume. i wonder if they can handle it. can anyone give me a peace of mind?

NEVER play your expensive gear in the sun!!!!!!!!!! They must be under a canopy or have some kind of shelter overhead.

i just bought my live x 115P they sound very good and clean... i tried to like the jbl prx 615 when i demoed it......

I'm ready for a new relationship :)

Proaudiostar even offered to upgrade me to new A-stock ones for $39 more a piece, but I'll just chance it with the B-stocks. It's only been out for half a year or less, so I'm sure they'll be just fine.

i agree with you 100% but the fact is you can't always get what you want. and i know that no mater what i do those speakers will end up being in the sun on one of the gigs. unless i individually provide them with umbrella :). actually i should be :(.

True dat....even canopies have to be shifted as the sun/shade changes throughout the day. Maybe rent out the audio from a company instead?? If it doesn't cut into your budget too much.

sometimes that doesn't help either. if i rent for three days it's going to be the price of the speakers i buy. so i spend about the same money but i actually end up owning a pair of decent speakers. i used ev sxa100+ i think. they are underpowered but they held their own in the sun. the thing is with sxa there is a heat sink and i don't see one on live x elx. also, was thinking of buying passive elx 115 and pair it with a Crown Audio XLS 1500 DriveCore amp. not sure if it would sound better or worse. any thoughts anyone. sorry for getting of topic here.

Not sure if this was a smart move or not...but I already sold two of my Mackies and the second pair is pretty much spoken for. And I haven't even received the EVs yet. It's in transit to Utah from NJ via FedEx today. I'm guessing I'll receive it by Monday.

Ok, one out of the four EVs got delivered just now. I opened it up and it was brand new and not B-stock like I had purchased, pretty awesome. Hopefully the other 3 are brand new too. I did a quick A-B side by side listening test in my garage with a Mackie 450 V2.

Appearance wise the EVs look very nice...looks almost just like the QSC K series. Weight wise, 41 pounds, very compact and light. Only one handle on one side; I prefer two sides like the Mackies, but it's no big deal. My Mackie covers fit the EVs so that's good news too. The EVs were slightly shorter in height and depth when compared to the Mackie. Mackies have heat sinks in the back, EVs do not. But EVs boast that the amp runs cool. On the back panel, EVs are a bit more versatile, with two Line-In's and mixer; plus you can go RCA, 1/4" and XLR inputs.

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Speakers were set close together for the photo only, during the audio test I moved them about 8 feel apart from one another. I'm no audio expert and I don't have a decibel meter or anything, this evaluation is just my own two ears, inside a single family home garage.

1. The source was a mix CD of mine with of hip hop, electronic and vocal-filled songs. It was played in a Denon 3700 CDJ and the cd player were hooked up directly into the speakers.
2. I started playing the music at the 9 o'clock position, and gradually turned it up to the 12 o'clock position.
3. Then I pressed the EQ boost feature of both brands.
4. Then I pressed the low-cut feature of both brands.
5. Then back to flat and turned it up to about 2 o'clock position.

Result between the EV Live X 112P vs Mackie SRM 450 V2:

Mackies had deeper, lower bass output. EVs had a tighter, punchier bass. Better bass goes to Mackie. Even with the EQ boost on the EV and off on the Mackie, the bass from the Mackie was still better. My ears heard the same results between the different songs played. What does this mean to me? For certain types of gigs, Mackies can be used without subs and there would be still be ample bass.

EVs had smoother highs and midrange output. Mackie's high end was much harsher and would make my ears uncomfortable when they got to the higher volumes. Better highs and mids goes to EVs. What does this mean to me? For gigs in a larger room or with lots of speech, EVs will sound cleaner to the audience. But with the EVs, I will likely have to bring subwoofers out more often than I would with the Mackies.

Don't pay any attention to the 1000 watt rating of the EV. The Mackie, at 400 watts, played just as loudly as the EVs. Both the EVs and Mackie did not clip or anything during my short 10-12 minute test.

Overall...I still prefer the Mackie SRM 450 V2 for the better bass output. But I will still sell off my second pair of Mackies because once that's sold, I will have paid only $100 for an upgrade to 4 brand new EVs ($1700 spent for EVs, Mackies sell for $1600) that looks nice and sound great.

I would submit that the EV Live X line can go head to head with all the other popular brands like QSC, Mackie, JBL and Yamaha. It may even be more attractive to the consumer because of the price (especially if you can get them for $425 each like I did). I will use these for the next couple of years and see how they hold up. If I ever switch powered speaker brands again, I would probably go back to Mackie 450s, but their black V2's instead of the blue ones.

i try to tell people to go with the 15 inch, for just $100, you would get better bass with the 15

would two of the 12"s and the sub be enough for a party of 150

more than enough !!!

had one of my open box EV 112s fail last week - had to rent a single speaker and now arranging for warranty shipping & repair

I heard almost the complete EV lineup at Infocomm last week in Orlando, including all of the LiveX series. The 15's sounded significantly better than the 12's. I would not get the 12's myself. I think these are the best sound for the $ at this time. The dual double 18's and single double 15's setup of the non-powered Live X sounded really sweet. At this time, I am still going to go with the ZXa5 and Danley Sub setup when I spring for new PA later this year. If I needed a reasonably priced system right now, I would get 2 LiveX 15's and 2-4 of the single 18 subs.

sucks sorry the hear!!



thats what i say for the money, cant be beat

The EVs smell like weed a bit, is that what you meant? Mine smell like weed.

Yup mine do too!
Ive had them for 2 1/2 months and they still smell like that.
People always say at my bar gig...do you smell weed? hahaha

They must be smoking some killer bud at the EV manufacturing plant lol..

Damn, just got myself a set of K10's. I could have done with saving a few quid if i had known about the EV's earlier. Can't complain though as my K10's sound crystal clear to me and can fit into the boot of my BWM 316 compact. I'd like to get the KW181 next, then i'd be more than good to go.

Yeah but your K10's don't smell like weed. That alone is worth buying the EVs! LOL

They must be manufacturing them in a Jamaican Ganja Farm. Rastafari! hahaha

Yo Joee I just checked out the specs on the 115P's....65 lbs! That's not very convenient in my opinion, considering that their 118P subwoofer is only 70 lbs. I mean the 115P is still light enough to carry by one person, but compare to the 112P at 41 lbs or the Mackie 450 at 40 lbs, I don't know if I'd get the 115P, even if the bass is much better.

EV Live X specs: www.electrovoice.com

On another note, I cranked up the 112Ps again yesterday in my garage and ran it through different genres of music and I am so impressed on how smooth and non-distorted the music, vocals, and instruments sounded. Really amazing speakers!

After having the 115p's and the 118p's for awhile I will have to say that if your doing small to medium Weddings or Venues they work well. If your using them for larger events and have to crank on them for any length of time, for me 4 hours or so, plan on the subs to shut them self off from heat. They will come back but it takes a bit. I have had to run them under half way or I they peak. Not a solid light I get that at about the 3 O'clock position. If you run the inputs to the sub then to the 115p if the sub shuts down so does the 115p. Not good what so ever. I run the 115p's in the flat and no sub setting just incase the subs decide to shut off. I have gotten the 115p's to clip off and on, I have yet to get them to clip constant. I have tried just about every setting configuration to get the subs not to clip and pretty much have come to the conclusion that they will live at under half way in order for them to not clip. I really like the 115p's they sound great and take a beating. As for the subs... not so much. I would say go with QSC subs or something else, especially if you don't like seeing your clip light come on.
Mine too smell like weed. I store them in the bathroom where I DJ and the Manager wrote a memo that whoever was smoking weed in the bathroom was going to get caught and terminated... LOL I had to let him know it was the speakers and not an employee. We both got a pretty good laugh out of it.

Over all spending 3k was a lot of money for me, I feel like I made a smart decisions on the 115Ps but really think that I should have researched the subs more. I will eventually purchase the 112P's as well but I may be selling my subs and getting something that doesn't clip so easily...

I run these with 2 Pioneer cdj 900's or 2 Technics 1210 MK2's and a Rane 57... Mic thru mixer and I might hook up a 8th in Jack to RCA to play dinner music on iTunes... Pretty basic setup...

Thats what I have experienced...

the elx is 50lbs, you must have been lookin at shipping lbs, trust me there not that heavy, you like the 12 so much imagine how much you will like the 15

heres the info for lbs www.electrovoice.com

Same problem here with the sub. Kinda disappointing because the 112p rarely clip but the sub clips at 1 o'clock so i just keep it at 12 o'clock position and for the most part im safe. Did have the sub turn off for a few minutes.

Your link shows the 115P as 53 lbs, and 65 lbs shipping weight. The link in my post must've been an error by EV. Now that makes more sense, because I was thinking that is a big difference in weight for just being a slightly larger speaker.

Your best bet for a good deal on these new is proaudiostar.com I was lucky to get a pair for$ 1000 new a stock but had to pay ny sales tax. Agiprodj quoted me around $570 each free ship no tax. I like ordering from agiprodj its almost worth the extra money for there customer support. Anyway these babys are coming in tomorrow can't wait to hear them

Was that price for 12" or 15"?

15" self powered ev elx115p

Nice....

Here's what I did in the last couple of days. I received my 112P's....love'm but wanted a little more bass to go with the super clean mids and highs. I resold one pair for $900 to another DJ this afternoon....and tomorrow this other DJ is coming for the other pair for $900. So I made $100 on these EVs in four days haha. Gonna go buy me 4 x 115Ps from Proaudiostar!

Do it up! Just a warning I made an offer on an open box item from proaudiostars ebay page and they said they may be out of stock of open box but would honor the $499 they were asking for but for a new unit. They had previously offered me $525 per speaker but if you are ordering 4 you have a better chance at a great price!

Yea, I ordered 4 open box on the 112P's but received 4 brand new ones! Probably try for the same offer as you did.

Thank god for the guitar center employee discount :)

Except GC don't carry the Live X line...or do they? I didn't see it on their website.

how much is your discount?

The GC closest to me carries them, i was thinking of ordering the 12's from pro audio star and getting the sub local

Im curious what kind of discount employees have on them, or how much wiggle room they have to negotiate

Sam Ash is better w/ negotiating I never really had any luck at GC. PS. At Sam Ash employees can almost always give about a %10 discount on pretty much anything so dont buy anything full price!

GC employee discount is good if you have a hookup there. I think they get around 30% off retail. But you also must pay sales tax too. If the GCs near me sold the EV Live X I would've definitely hit up my buddy there, too bad they currently don't. They could probably order some, but I don't want to take too much advantage of him.

Spicaly, regarding the sub, read Shaukd's post about his experience with them a few posts above. Keep in mind that the EV 118P sub only has one line-in per sub and no built in crossover. So if you only buy one sub, your configuration would be: One channel of the mixer OUT > EV sub IN > EV sub OUT > 112P/115P IN. The other channel of the mixer out would then go directly to your second 112P/115P IN.

If you needed to crossover the sub, you would do it from the tops.

Also no casters on the sub, which is not a big deal at 70 lbs, but you can always screw on your own by buying casters from the hardware store.

I just re-ordered the 115P's from proaudiostar off ebay. I made an offer of 4 x $515 (total $2060) and they bit. It says open box but I'm pretty sure like the last time with my 112P order that it will be brand new. What a deal for great sounding speakers.

I received the 115P Live X yesterday...paid for Open Box prices but received brand new ones just like I thought I would.

The 15" has handles on both sides, and wasn't that heavy (around 52 pounds I think).

These Live X speakers just sound so darn good...super clear. I still think the bass on a Mackie 450 is deeper, but hands down the clarity of the overall sound goes to the EV's. Very pleased with these speakers.

good to hear, i been saying this all along, some people just don't want to listen, they say NOOOO qsc k series is better, i say no it's not

Just rocked out for over 7 hrs w/ these beauties last night turned a backyard into a club no problem. My only gripe w/ these is that the black paint chips off sooooo easily. I'm gonna put some rubber edges all around to prevent this.

^^Good idea Frank, let us know what type of corner protector you go with. I'd like to do that too.

Joee, the only point QSC has that's better than other speaker brands is that it has a 6 year warranty. But as far as sound goes, the Live X is as good or better in my opinion (and yes I have played on / heard QSC K series before more than once) than QSC. The fact that the EVs are at least $100 cheaper makes it super attractive to the average consumer.

What would be the difference in sound using a 12 or a 15 with a 18 sub. I assuming since you're using a sub it really wouldn't matter much. 12 or 15 would be for a live x set with the 18 inch sub or a k series 10 or 12 with a kw181.

When I use my 18" subs with my tops, I like to run them full range still. I like the full spectrum of sound. But many people like to run them crossed over at either 100Hz or 120Hz. When it is crossed over, it certainly allows the tops to run more efficiently. I think where the difference in the sound comes in is the clarity of the mids and highs during high volumes. Whether the speaker will replicate the source harshly or distort. When I did the A/B between the Mackie SRM 450 and EV Live X 112, there was a noticeable difference in how much harsher the Mackie highs were. Like an unbearable, ear-fatiguing harshness. Whereas the EV remained smooth and did not cause me to want to cover my ears. Given that, the sound of the EVs now makes the music that much more pleasant.

BTW, these new EVs also smell like weed..wth?!?

I get that EVERYWHERE

I store my EV's in the employee bathroom. They sent a memo out saying that who ever was smoking weed in the bathroom when caught would be terminated. I had to let the manager know it wasn't his employees! LOL

so EV uses the new LiveXs to smuggle weed.....smart!

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

found these on eBay, it's metal with a textured finish so it might match better on the Live X than rubber ones
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Thanks for the link Discobee. Looks like they will haveto be screwed on. Have you used anything like this before?

No I haven't but it's similar to the type found on guitar amplifiers, carpeted passive speakers or the corners on dj coffins. The link I have are the screw-on type, use #8 size screws, maybe 3/4" length? It would protect the corners, but I'm not sure I want to do that just yet to my Live X.

Ok so I went to a local speaker shop with my 115P and asked to look at some "corner protectors". Just so happen they had some for EV brand speakers. But these corner protectors are made more for carpeted type speakers that are older in style. The Live X line only has one corner that's actually 90 degree, while the other 3 corners are slightly rounded. That being the case, the corner protectors won't fit properly. Plus you gotta screw it in, causing permanent disfigurement to the wood enclosure. So I won't be using those Frank.

But maybe you can get these instead. I have 4 of these: cgi.ebay.com

The lady that makes'm, Connie, communicates quickly with the customers.

Those aren't so great for speaker cases. Yes, the price is low, which fits the budget-priced EV LiveX line, but those covers rip and loosen up.

Yeah I was checking those out too. Thanks, I'm going to explore my options a little further and get back to you.

What is it that you guys do with your speakers that causes your covers to rip or loosen up? It's made with the same material that moving blankets are made of, I think that's pretty durable for my needs. If you're covering your speakers and transporting it carefully, there should be no reason that a cover is ripping or loosening up.

Its true after A WHILE those do start to rip because most people who need to put those covers on transport them with a lot of other gear so its constantly rubbing up on other equipment or something is on top of it. I just want something that will make sure that the body of the speaker doesn't scrape the ground or wall which is why I want a solution that protects the edges and gives some space between the speaker and its surroundings.

Ahhh i gotcha. I guess I'm just a lil more careful than average. I have a roomy truck, so I never stack anything on speakers for that exact reason. Don't want it get banged up and such. I'm pretty sure these covers will last me a long time based on my past experience.

But regarding those corners, I don't think I'm gonna do it. It's gonna take away from the handsome look of the EV cabinets and make it look like a carpeted speaker. But if you find something that works, please post up a pic so I can see what it looks like.

Yes, they're the same material of most moving blankets but they're not very thick or as protective like a Tuki or Cloud 9 cover (nor nearly as expensive). They're better than having no speaker protection but for a long-term solution, I'd go for the better brands.

Why not try a jbl prx bag, the 2 speakers have the same shape no?
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or try a universal one
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or maybe these--->tukicovers.com

Exactly... these are worth the $50 higher price per pair in comparison to the Connie ones.
* Much tougher tear and rip resistance
* Securing strap along the bottom of the cover
* Thicker padding to better protect your speaker against bumps and grill dings
* Wont loosen up like the Connie ones

Another thing to think about too is if you buy slip covers vs bags w/zippers. I like slip covers because it's easy on/off. On zippered bags, the zippers tend to break after much use, then your bag is pretty useless. When I had Mackie zippered bags, they broke after only less than 1 year's use, so subsequently I only go with slip covers now.

Just Got the LIVE X TWO WEEKS AGO 2 ELX118P and 2 ELX112P SOUND is clear, But its so true i moved them one time and already i got a buncha liltte nicks What bags are the best?

I'm about to pull the trigger for the 15's and am having a tough time accepting the single input on the subs, (running 1 channel to the sub).

What is the best way to run 2 15's and 1 sub?

1 - 1/4 outs to the 15's and 1 channel to the sub
2 - 1/4 outs to the 15's and 1 rca to the sub
3 - 1/4's out to the 15's and 2 rca's into 1 cable and then to the sub
4 - 1/4 out to the 15's and the both 15 through's to meet and then to the sub?

Thanks,

i'd Go Left channel on the mixer to the sub, then from the sub out to left top and the right channel right to the speaker and i'd use balanced 1/4 to XLR Adapter and run xlr cables all around

or buy two elx118p subs and two 115p tops or go with the 12's like i did with two sub's its nice .. plus the space you save with the 12's if you have a little car.. just food for thought

don't be worried about summing the left and right channel to go into the sub. just go from either left or right.

in this situation, try switching Scratch Live's output from Stereo to Mono (in Setup) and see what sounds better. I run my system in Mono 90% of the time, as I work in funky rooms and have to group my subs into one spot instead of a normal stereo style set-up (subs on each side)

Some subs will sub L + R (2 inputs) but they have some built in circuitry that converts the bass to mono

this is your best option


I agree with justnoize too on the balanced cable.

you can buy a pair of balanced 1/4 to XLR cables to go out of your mixer and then a short regular XLR cable to go from the main speaker to the sub.

then, you have an easy way to upgrade with another sub. Just buy a matching sub and a matching short XLR and you have a kick ass system.

yeah check out monoprice.com

otherwise go to your local guitar center see if they have balanced 1/4 to xlr adapter the connections pretty secure but if you dont trust it you can just get the cables to be 100% and if you buy on mono price it wont hurt your pocket at all lol

+1
Did the two 12's with the two subs...Sounds nice! Depends on the event size but two 12's and 1 sub is plenty for about 200 people.

I played out last night with 1 EV Live X 15" speaker on a sports bar patio with about 40-50 people, it was more than sufficient, and I didn't even have to crank it really loud to sound good and fill the patio area with music. I've used the SRM-450's before, but I liked the EV's sound better myself.

Thanks... I found my new speaker. Now just have to find one or two for that matter on sale.

Thinking of getting rid of mine..........

haha no way why?

bought an ELX 112p today. i'll be testing it out this weekend.

please stop comparing the ev elx 112p to k12 or jbl prx 612. There is no comparison. The live x may be good when used with a sub, but without a sub they put out no kind of bass. My qsc k10s in deep mode sound much better than these speakers. Please stop getting caught up in the hype. They maybe decent speakers for the money but by comparison they are sub par at best. Sorry for the rant, i came to this conclusion after using them at a wedding tonight. (they arent my speakers they another djs)

*(they aren't my speakers they were another djs)

they are laking in the bass department a little, but the elx 115p is another story, i would go with that one any day of the week

the 12 is only 250 watts, the 15 is 400

The 15 maybe a better bang for the buck than the 12, but i must say i was wasn't impressed and was a little disappointed after reading all the raving reviews about this speaker line.

have you heard the 15?

Nope i've never heard the 15, i went with prx 615 because they weighed 10lbs less than the ev.

but cost what $300 more?

you will like the 15, whenever you get a chance to hear it

Well....he's right, the PRX 615 would sound better than the ELX115.

i got my prx 615 for 1420 for a pair. how much were the exl115 a pair?

I got mine for $1030, Proaudiostar on eBay.

i heard the ELX118P at the mobile beats conference last night and honestly i think my B52 18" sub sounds better. it sounded like a bass boost or something else was wrong with the subs(they had two set up). The bass wasn't very clear or punchy but i guess that's what you get when the sub weighs 70lbs. as for the tops-ELX112P sounded great, until someone walked in front of them and it sounded like the speaker shut off, they really have to be mounted high above the crowd. I personally expected more out of them. There's my 2 cents...

for anyone that can't decide between k series or live x, just a little wright i came across, it my help you decide

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I read that review and tons of others. However, after doing a side by side comparison several times over the weekend and last night, I decided to go with two K12's & 1 EV Sub to start. Don't get me wrong, the EV's are awesome bang for the buck on their price range, but for a few bucks more I can get the K12's which come with a 6 year warranty and are smaller & lighter. Plus QSC is 5 min from me, so if anything goes wrong, I can always take them to the factory.

I did hear both the K12 & EV 115P with and without subs. The K-Sub sucked ass, but the EV sub was pretty awesome. I still haven't pulled the trigger, so I might change my mind, but that's my game plan for now.

so what do you think about the elx115p, forgetting that qsc is 5 mins from you & the 6 year warranty?

So are all these bad reviews for the X LIVE bass bottom true? Do they really suck? Most of the reviews say the X series subs tend to shut down after a while. And thats that you're not bumping it. I really need a bass bottom. Thats why Im asking.

i been using it sine it came out, every fri & sat, it has shut down on me twice, if you clip it will play fine but if you clip real heavy non stop for long periods it will shut down, it comes back on in less than a minute, you just have to watch you levels when playing bass heavy music

i was ready to pull the trigger on ev elx 112p for $1088 the pair with stands and cables. now i'm thinking about the 15's. what's the best price you guys got on the 15's. what is the weight difference?

thanks.

I HAD the ELX118p sub and every week that i used it shut down. Ya it would come back on within 5 minutes but still. It was a great sounding sub. i had it set at 12 o'clock position and that helped but towards end of the night as i turned it up to keep up with the ELX112p tops the sub would still shut off.
I sold them just recently.

Honestly, I liked it a lot. It wasn't as bright as the QSC, but it wasn't bad either. When we were testing them, I did hear minor distortion on the EV's when cranked up, and no distortion on the QSC's. If ran alone, the EV's are good speakers, but when paired with the EV subs, they kick ass. But several people have complained about the subs shutting off randomly. It's a close call between the two. QSC winds, but only by a very small margin.

Just based off of my own experience with my own pair of K12s (no sub), and listening to my friend's pair of 15" Live Xs over the weekend (no sub): imo the K12s in deep mode sound significantly fuller, with richer bass. I was actually pretty surprised that the EVs lacked the bass that I thought they would have considering they're 15" and are housed in wooden cabinets. They sound what my K12s sound like when in normal (non deep) mode.

Don't get me wrong, the EVs held up great all night and I don't think anybody at the event even cared, but I personally like to feel the bass line, particularly with hip hop. Since this was mostly a Top40 event with a lot of uptempo dance music, the EVs put out a nice punchy sound for that type of music, but when we threw on hip hop i just felt it was missing some low end. I guess I'm just used to my k12s.

Bottom line: I had thought I might've screwed up since I got my k12s about one month before the Live X series was released. But now I have peace of mind: I paid more, but I think I bought the better sounding pair of speakers.

I felt the same way when i heard the live 112p. They have no bass output at all. I a/b them against my k10s and wasn't impressed at all. If anyone wants a 15 wood cabinet with bass, check out the jbl prx 615m. Very nice sounding speakers.

go with the 15's you will be happier i got a pair for $1200 delivered, i think you can find them cheaper

I have 2 ELX 115p and 2 ELX 118p, If I run then stereo 15 top and a sub per side, the subs peak at the 12 O'Clock position and shut off if you play tracks with hard base. I have started to run them in mono from my mixer. I run to the 15's first then the 18's. When I wire them up this way I seem to be able to get less heat, the 18s clip at about the 2 O'Clock position and I haven't had them shut down. I am pretty disappointed over all with the system. I play for 2 to 3 hundred people 3 nights a week and they system just seems not be big enough... Crazy to think I use to use 2 STS C-600s and they would fill more area with sound... Oh and the paint on them is terrible I have more chips in the paint! I will have to paint them before I get through the end of the season... I may sand them and go to carpet on them just because they look ruff for only being 4 months old!

good info guys. i'm thinking about changing my mind.

now i'm looking into JBL PRX612M. what do you guys think?

I've come to the conclusion that these speakrs are good for weddings and gigs of that caliber, but if you're trying to use them for club type sound, it wont work out well for. Thanks for passing on the info shaukd

I have a pair of jbl prx 615m and i love them. Quality sound and they are loud. You may read some place that they go into thermal and get very hot because of the way the heat sink is designed but i've had absolutely no problems with mine.

for you guy thinking that the ev's my not bee a good choice i should mention, i'm only using 1 15 & 1 18 where i should be using 2 of each, if i had four speaker set up i don't think i would have had any issue with the sub

no issue at all with the top & the sub shut down on me 2 time's, i had them since they first hit the market

I'm leaning towards the prx612's over the elx 112p because of cabinet quality. don't want to spend money on speakers that are going to look like crap after a few months of use. I would like the k12's but they are bit over priced.

A good bang for the buck is the rcf 312a. quality speakers for about 900 a pair , ive even seen less expensive than that.

lol. so many choices.

very true, rcf makes a great speker, i think you can get a pair of active 15 for $1,000, there prices have come down since theres a new model out, i would take rcf over qsc & jbl any day

get the rcf 312 not the 315 if you get the rcfs. Both the 12 and the 15 are housed in the same size box and ive heard the 12s are much better than the 15s.

A good bang for the buck is the rcf 312a. quality speakers for about 900 a pair , ive even seen less expensive than that.

you get two of these
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than add this when you can & you will have one great little sound system
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i still like my ev live x

& I LOVE MY ZXA5's

I was looking into the rcf's as well. the only thing i don't like is the plastic shells.

+1

I guess at some point something has to give. Show me a great powered speaker , thats affordable, looks great, and has no thermal issues. Very seldom do you get everything you want, something has to give.

people keep talking about the live x having thermal issues, but i been using them since they came out, thats been almost a year now?, i have had no issues with the elx115p at all

i remember forgetting to turn it off one friday night after my gig came back saterday night started playing with no issues what so ever, so that speaker was on fri. night 9pm all that way to sunday 2am, hows that for reliable

now the sub like i said shut down on me 2 times, i'm going to say it was my falt, i was not paying attention, but it did come back on in about a min, the same song was still playing

The ZXa5's are amazing...in a class by themselves. They sound as powerful as my old workhorses, my JBL SR4722's....but self-powered.

I know its an awful comparison, but i like the way my ev zxa1s sound better than the ev live x 112p. When paired with my jbl prx 718s, those little things get loud and clear when crossed over without clipping.

you ante said nothing, i have 2 zx1 & 2 sb122, what a AWSOME sound they put out

How would you compare that set up to your ev live x 115p

i haven't put them side by side, so i could not tell you, but the zx1 sb122 with a qsc 3002 sound great, i just cant believe the sound that comes from these little boxes, i've used it for 200 people it worked great

if putting two elx115ps & two elx118p's in a shootout with two zx1's & two sb122's

i'm shure the live x will come out the winner, 2 12's can not do what 2 18's will, same goes for 2 8's vs 2 15's

I was thinking more along the lines of the 2 zx1 and the 2 sb122 against the live x 115, i think thats a fair shootout because its 2 8's with 2 12inch subs. I think thats comparable.

you mean two elx115p's vs two zx1's & two sb122

the zx1's & sb122's for shure, you get better bass output, i remember the first time i played usher & jay z hot toddy

MAN the bass was CRAZY the stage was shaking under my feet, if you have zx1's do yourself a favor GET a pair of sb122's, if you don't have a amp for it a qsc gx7 will work well for $500 & 15lbs

this setup is so easy to transport & setup, and people always look like WHAT are these little toy seakers? than when i crank it up they say WOW where is all that sound coming from

I have a pair of the powered version of the zx1s, the zxa1. I had a powered version of the sb122 the sb2a and didn't like it at all. Im sure 2 of them would've worked out better, i just didn't like the way it sounded.

the sb2a says it's 350 watts the sb122 is 400 watts, yes one by itself is not impressive but when you have 2 it's awsome

I pulled the trigger and ended up buying a pair of K12's. :D My homie is on his way to QSC to pick them up for me. :D

i like the ev's they just have such a smooth mid/hight end not harsh

but the bottom line, there is alot of good gear out there, theres no wrong choice ev qsc jbl rcf etc. they all make good speakers

my choice is ev!!!!!!!

Yeap! They're all good speakers, only reason why I went with the K12's is because I was able to get them at a very good price. Just dollars above the EV's. If not, I would've gotten the EV's.

how much?, you can get two 15 ev's & one 18 for $1,900 shipped & 2 12's & one 18 for $1,700

I can't say how much, but it was just a tad bit more than ProAudioStar's EV's 115p deal.

well i pulled the plug yesterday. Origninally i was getting the elx12p's. great price and sound. I just didn't like the fact that they didn't hold up well. I wanted the qsc k12's but I couldn't get them in the price range i wanted.

So i purchased the jbl prx612m's. Great price. A friend of mine has them and they sound great. The salesperson also told me that jbl just raised there pirces.

great choice i have a pair of jbl prx 615 love em

ev's don't hold up well? did you read my post?

sorry, what i meant was that the cabinets are not made well. i've read that the cabinets start to chip after short usage.


the cabinets on the jbl's are pretty solid.

yeah there made in china..lol, you got me there, i just looked at the jbl 12 & qsc 12 @ pssl, the qsc is only $50 more

i didn't pay anywhere near retail on the jbl's. it's hard to get a better price on the qsc's.

make sure you get your self the prx sub as soon as you able too, it will round out your sound, it will be a nice sounding setup
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What kind of gain structure setup are you guys using .. Keeping the mIxer in the green? adjusting the clip light till it lights up and then back it off? im confused why you guys are having cliping issues if you gain structure is set up right.. if they arent loud enough then i would of bought more expensive speakers lol

I was think about kopping the ELX 118p. But after reading about the cut offs, I'm hesitant.

The ELX 112 cabinet does damage easy.

yes, next purchase.




that's one of the reasons i stayed away.

It sounds like the k series has not met it's match by the EV.

Both good speakers though for the $

I SAY it HAS, how dare you Dub :)

sorry I'm biased

3 years with K8, K10, and Ksubs and they still look brand new and sound amazing.


out of curiosity, what is the warranty on the EVs?

spend some time with the ev's & you might change your tune, i know two guys that sold there k12's foe a pair of elx115p's

warranty is 3 years

2 of my friends and I are starting a sound company and we all agreed to buy one system each. We had all agreed to buy EV systems. But I had a last minute change of mind and bought the K12's. My partners bought the EV's! lol I don't regret it one bit. The more time I spend playing on them, the more I love them. They're LOUD!!! And that DEEP function kicks ass!!! I love that the power cord locks into place when connected to the speaker.

:)

Plus you get an extra 3 years of knowing that you won't lose $ from broken speakers.

how do the zx1s compare to the K8s? anyone ever done a side by side comparison?

any of you guys rocking prx612m's?

I have a pair of the ev zxa1 (powered version) and i use to have a qsc k8. I must say the k8 is definitely louder and a better speaker than the zxa1. With that said, i pair my zxa1 with a sub and cross them over with my jbl prx 718s and they sound amazing. Not taking anything away from the ev zxa1, but as a stand alone speaker, the k8 is the better out of the two.

Can you really use 8's and a sub? I'm thinking about buying speakers soon (I currently use my friend's ELX115P (I use one to do an outdoor patio at a sports bar and didn't really even push it hard). How big of an event can you really do with a pair of 8's and 1 or 2 subs?

some cats swear by the K8s - claiming they sound better and clearer than the k10s or even the k12s...

Oh definitely. You can pair somes 8's crossed over with a 18 inch sub and it sounds great. I wouldn't push it though. I wouldn't do an event larger than 200 people with my ev zxa1 and my 2 jbl prx 718s. I must honestly say, i would probably be able to do a little more if i had a pair of k8s instead of the zxa1s

I'm one of those guys.

I have my K10s over Ksubs (not for long, need to upgrade those) and they are always crossed over. IMO it was a waste of money and size since I always have them crossed over cutting the lower frequencies that would have been boosted by the extra 2 inch woofer.

It's the same tweeter and the same amp, so the 8" woofer is better suited to give clarity to the midrange than the 10" or 12" woofer.

by themselves...the K10s and K12s will give you more bass respectively

I think a system like this can handle up to 150-200 people if the speakers are optimally placed, and it will sound really good.

I agree, i don't understand why people would get a speaker be it that, a 12 or a 15 when using a dedicated sub that is crossed over. What would be the benefit other than you may use the 12 or 15 as a stand alone speaker at some gigs. I maybe mistaken but, when a speaker is crossed over arent you just using mainly the high frequency and the woofer as mid range. Im not an expert, so i would love some feedback to my understanding.

thing about the K8s is that they are so small and light that it is not hard to bring along a small sub for an ultra portable system.

yes you can, i use this setup sounds AWSOME
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Joee have you ever compared those two 12' subs to a 15'. Im looking at getting a combo of the sb2a and a sb122 vs a yorkville ls720 to use with my zxa1 as a smaller set up for me.

OK so I've been t hrough this entire thread and, along with what I've read from other sources, this is a great line of speakers.

First things first, I'm assuming these will be an upgrade from my current S115Vs. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Second, are there any sound quality differences between the passive and active elx115? How about the 118 subwoofer? I ask because I already have a QSC GX5, which would power both tops or the sub more than efficiently. Would it be a bad idea to go passive tops and active sub or vice versa? Any input appreciated.

As you know I have (4) K8's, (2) K12's, (2) KW 153's, and (2) KW 181's... Definitely a QSC fanboy and would recommend them to anyone... But the bottom line is whatever your ears like and your wallet can afford! We all have our preferences so if it's working for you now, just keep doing whatever it is to make sure it stays that way... Buy protective bags, take care of your equipment, watch out for the drunks, and don't red-line at every gig and you should be cool....

Well put my friend.

Definitely, LOL.

So for those big prom gigs (gym sized), what do you run? Will you be getting more KW181's?

None on the radar as of yet... I would get another pair of 181's and maybe even another pair of 153's to make it balanced... Right now these weddings are still my meal ticket... 2012 is already picking up like crazy... I'm trying to get a shot at somebody's school but no luck as of yet...

How do the k8s sound with the kw181 and how large of a venue do you think that could handle? Can the k8s even keep up the a kw181?

I would like to know that as well

Haven't used the 8's with the big boys. I only use the 12's or 153's with the subs... Often times when I use my 8's it's a smaller event or I'm using them as a wireless addition to the other bigger speakers...

Okay how about the k12s with the kw181. What size crowd do you normally use that set up for?

I recently used that (8/28) for a 270 person event. I had my (2) K8's ready to use as a wireless backup for additional room coverage but didn't need them. I had my subs on both sides of my tables and each 12 on a pole 20 feet away from me... Worked fine. All the guests could hear. Didn't have to turn it up to a crazy volume and was not red-lining, LOL...

The dimensions of your room will dictate how many people a setup can cover. More of a square configuration means you don't have as far to cover as you would for a rectangular room... If my room from the 8/28 event was rectangular then I would have used my K8's for additional coverage... This past Saturday (9/3) I used just my 153's for a 220 person event on stands... Perfect... Didn't need my subs at all for that one (2nd time at that venue within 3 weeks)...

K.Smith, what wireless transmitter are you using to do that please? I have the VocoPro 2.4GHz, but I'm looking for something of better quality.

i haven't, but two 12's i think will sound better than one 15, i'm not sure the sb2a & sb122 combo would be ideal

the sb122 is a 400 watt sub, the sba say it has a 350 watt amp, you would be under powering it


if you want a small light weight setup you cant go wrong with 2 zx1's 2 sb122's & a qsc 3102, AWSOME sound i use for weddings of 200 people with no problem, if you want something to add to your zxa1, you already know i like the elx118p but if that one doesn't do it for you take a lot at RCF ART705AS i think you will like that one

ksmith has no idea what he's talking about

I went with the yorkville ls720. I've heard great things about that little sub, very comparable to the rcf art705as i think.

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For real dude, LOL... Let's see the next time you need to rent a projector... LOL

i need some k12s yo

Thanks, will look into this.

I got the direct hook up... Will save you some $$$...

ok, we'll talk. thanks brotha-man

My homie just got the EV's 115P today. Gotta check them out.

I took the time to read a lot of the reviews in here about the QSC K Series and the EV live X. I would like to throw my hat in the arena. To state that the new EV live X is as good if not better than the QSC K series is not a fair comparison. Just as it would be a bad comparison to tell someone not to buy the EV live X because it is not better than the K Series. 1. EV has been around for almost 100yrs. so they deserve everyone's attention. There are many factors involved in how you make your decision. If I had to spend less, it would be a no brainer to go with the EV live x because they are awesome for it's price point. If I had more to spend and simply wanted better sound, I would have to concede to the QSC K series. The guys in here that own the EV ZX series. They will never need to buy the QSC's, it's that simple. When you compare apple to apple. You could compare the live x to the jbl eons. EV without a question on that front! That is a more fair comparison. The only thing I don't like hearing is people coming back from the NAMM show and bragging so hard about the speakers. YES! The EV live X is worth every last penny! NO! They are not the next best thing since sliced bread. I seen so much hyping up of the speaker that it made me sick. The problem is that some vendors are pressured into hyping up something because they want to make the manufacturer happy. My father started a business in 1959 and always shot it straight and for that, I thank him as I am the same way. If I had my way, I would sell EV live X to everyone. Then if someone wanted a little higher end, I would sell the EV ZX series. Still love the QSC k series though as well. The point is that everyone is sitting in a different boat, different levels of water, resources. So for the guy that cannot even afford a EV Live X. What do other seasoned dj's tell that guy when he can only afford to get a Gemini GVX15p. They seem to chastise him. Everything has it's proper place based upon several factors. the guy that could only afford to get the Gemini speakers can still be happy, just must be realistic about what his money gets him. that same Gemini guy could never try to compare his speakers to the higher priced EV Live X, just as the EV Live X guy cannot compare those to the higher priced EV ZX series, and the list goes on. I remember a really nice customer that bought a complete system and could only afford the Gemini GVX12p's at the time. He did not have anything to compare them to. (See that, not being exposed gets you a raw response to what you think of a product) He really liked the speakers as this was new to him. And in all fairness, they actually do sound good for the price point. He had some problems with the speakers later on and then got the money to buy a set of EV Live X. Needless to say, he was blown away by the difference! Now that he has experience under his belt, he now says the Gemini speakers are no good. YET, because of the true educational experience he went through he can honestly tell anyone that the gemini's were good for the money, just that he now has tasted what real sound is. So when the day comes that he can afford the EV ZX series, he will then think "WOW, the EV live X is nothing to brag about" No different than my first car. A 1987 Loaded Nissan Maxima. I thought I was the man in that car. It was super nice, drove nice, etc. But now that I have a much better car. I could easily fall into the trap of telling people that the maxima is junk due to how spoiled I am now. YET, that would not be a fair review! I keep everything into perspective. Even the product that I would sit at a table with friends and say is complete C#@p. I still would tell those same people. What did you really expect at such a low price. Any of you guys that buy EV, JBL, QSC, etc.. are all on the right path to begin with. It just comes down to who is edging who out in overall sound.

Also seen people caught up on prices. Finding the cheapest price is never the right answer for those that think long term. Those same companies that simply undercut everyone are also the same ones that you can find complaints on with the state, about 240 negative reviews in a year, etc. Sure they can beat everyone in price, but that's ALL they can beat them in. Shop for the average price and then really look into the company that is selling the product.

QFT + 2million

The benefit is that you can set the crossover point lower - keeping the subwoofer playing just sub-bass and the larger speakers can play more of the mid-bass frequencies. This allows for a better overall sound with a potentially higher SPL, assuming that none of the speakers are being overdriven.

Any suggestions how any of you would setup two EV tops with one EV sub? Just curious figuring the 118p's only have one input.

Just run the sub off one side. Output in mono from scratch live

Great. I'll try that out. Thanks.

2 QSC K10's + 1 QSC KW181 is all you need in your life. its crazy how i get complements on how great my sound is at parties

that is exactly what I will have tomorrow.

I have 2 Ksubs currently

got one KW181, will sell the Ksubs and then get another KW

+ I have 2 K8s


seriously considering the KLAs to go above the KWs but they are pretty pricey...I will make my decision after NAMM to see if there is anything new dropping that can compete

Nice man

Here are my recent experiences with both series.

I have the k8's. Love them.

My friend just got the EV's. While they sould good. I don't think they sound as good as my K8's. They sound a bit more muddy to me.

My other friend just got the K12's and did a club/bar without a sub (his sub wouldn't turn on) and they sounded awesome (after I turned off the vocal boost, he was clipping those things like a dummy) They were lound and clear enough with good bass (although would have been way better with a sub of course)

I kind of want to get a pair of K12's now but have to keep telling myself that I dont do enough mobile stuff to warrant the puchase lol. One day........

I really want to hear the difference between the K, KW, and KLA 12s

I'm happy with the K10s but I think I may want more once I get the second KW181.

The KLA are almost double in price compared to the KW series so I want to hear from someone if it is worth it. They have basically the same amp.

It says on the QSC site that the KW181 and KLA18 are basically the same speaker but the KLA box is slightly larger and has the rigging for flying the speakers (which I will never do). They recommend using the KW181s with the KLAs if you are not flying them.

I want to invest is a really nice system. The Kseries have served me really well for over 2 years, but it's time to step it up.

I have 4 K8s and 2 JBL PRX718 subs. I have been able to do just about any mobile venue with a portion of or all of these speakers.

This past weekend, the other guys that I gig with brought their 4 K8s. Because of a breakdown in communication, I brought mine also. So just for kicks, we set up all 8 K8s and my JBL PRX718s. So basically, we had the K8s running the length of the back wall. It was overkill, but damn, it sounded nice.

What's my point in all of this? Well, if you like the K8s, why not just get another pair, or 2 more pairs? It'll be a great system with the KW181s.

Also, a photographer brought up a good point to me with the K8s. Since they are small, they really don't show up in pictures. They can be almost invisible if the lighting is done right. The bride and the groom were actually really appreciative of that (they were there during the conversation). I guess it contributed to the amount they tipped us...on top of the contracted amount...

How many people attended the wedding? You only ran 2 jbl prx 718s with all those speakers? Were the prx 718s able to keep up?

I have a pair of k8s and pair of subs.... for majority of my gigs, i use a pair of k8s and just one sub(hpr18) and it's more than enough. Dj dub cowboy "schooled" me on the k series a while ago. I picked k8s over the k10s and k12s.

THere's no way I'd choose an 8" speaker of the same brand over its 10" or 12" alternatives unless I was going strictly for the lightest weight and smallest carrying size.

if you are using a sub, the K8s are the way to go over the K10s and K12s. There is no reason to have a bigger woofer if you are just going to cross over the bass frequencies.

K8, 10s, and 12s all have the same amp and the same tweeter. The 8" woofer handles the midrange better than the 10 or 12 inch woofer. They also have a wider dispersion angle so if you only have 2 speakers to cover a wide room, the K8s are the best choice.

I agree.......but 8" an 10" don't make good stand alone speakers due to the low bass response. This then almost always requires you to carry a sub which defeats the hole lite an small goal. A good 12" gives you the best of bass an lite without to much of a trade off.
I do understand this may not apply to wedding djs who require little to no bass anyway.

Hey bruh, we like that boom boom too... All of us aren't just mids and highs now didy, LOL...

It was about 350 guests and it was a Debut (Filipino Girl's 18th Birthday). The conversation with the photographer was at a different gig. The subs were closer to the dance floor and it actually worked out well. Even though the whole room was filled with sound, you felt it on the dance floor, but if you were sitting at the tables, you would have been able to comfortably carry on a conversation with the person across the table.

Like I said, it was a special circumstance, and we usually would only bring 4 K8s for a gig that size. I am pretty sure that 4 K8s plus the subs would have been more than adequate.

As far as the the difference between the K8s, K10s, and K12s...I was choosing between the 10s and the 8s at the time, because more than a few people told me that the trade up to the K12 from the K10 was not worth it. Some even said the K10s sounded better than the K12s. I also heard the K8s and K10s were very close in performance. So, I went PSSL to test and compare the K10s and the K8s. The difference was not big enough for me to justify the size and the price difference. Sure, the K10s did sound slightly more full, but the difference was miniscule at best.

And, when the K8s are in totes, they are no bigger than a small gym bag. I could fit 4 in the back seat of my truck....

For some of you, the K8 speakers do the job, have great dispersion and are a pleasure to load and carry, but when it comes time to turn them up and you need solid bass response, that 8" driver is not gonna deliver like its larger counterparts. Even if you're high-passed at 100Hz and up, I would prefer a 12" or larger driver delivering my high-volume mid-bass/thump/knock over an 8" driver.

I wouldn't generalize and say an 8" delivers midrange better than a larger driver either. I think that statement only holds true relative to low volume situations. Turn the volume up and the story changes. The K-series line may have the same amps and high-compression drivers but I think you believe they sound vocally better than a K10 or K12 due to the K8's smaller driver seemingly sounding more balanced with the tweeter. It's just a smaller driver in a smaller enclosure that can't produce the same low output as the bigger units so of course the overall tone will seem more even/balanced. Concert-level pro audio speakers don't generally run 8" drivers; they run larger drivers due to higher volume requirements. This is what I look for, high(er) volume capable speakers. I wouldn't want to be faced with a room of 400+ party'ers, drop a song like "Monster" - Kanye or "Cat Daddy" and have my K8's coughing up a voicecoil.

Again, QSC K8's have their place (I want a pair for wedding ceremonies). I've heard and demoed them several times in comparison to the EV ZXa1's and they made the EV's sound like mud; however, if I were investing in my DJ sound system, wanted QSC brand and wanted to get it right the 1st time, I'd say the safe bet would be K12's and up.

...The biggest reason would be because you must have a sub with the K8's for decent / respectable bass when the volume needs to be loud. K12's can get away with no subs (maybe K10's too depending on the crowd size).

+1

I would actually like to hear the KW122s....I know the KW152s sound great. I just don't hear too many glowing reviews about the K12s...

i have a pair of them an im very happy with there performance considering i also own ez-zxa5s
i26.photobucket.com. i26.photobucket.com i now use the k12s for most gigs an ev for the big ones.

How are the ZXA5s compared to the K12s? I've been wanting a pair of those since I heard them earlier this year....

i also own zxa5's, i think they blow the qsc's out of the water, the bass they put out is amazing for such a small box, & the spl is impressive as well

I don't think its fair to compare a ev zxa5 to most dj speakers. The evzxa5 compares better to high end pro audio.

+1, i wish they would make a zxa3, the zxa5 can be overkill for some events

true.....that's why I went qsc k12 instead of a matching pair of ev. It's not often I need that much dam power.

but still, ther SOOOOOOO nice to have, how about the look you get from some one that's never heard them before, when doing a event in a BIG room, and all you have is two 15's on sticks

Yeah, not even in the same class.

yea its happened already....lol
I did sound for a dj in a 400 capacity venue who never heard them before and I did a sound check with just the tops in full range an he says "wow that sounds perfect" I had to grin an say hold on, I didnt turn the subs on yet......Priceless.

i been looking at this one wondering if it will be on par with the zxa5-----> www.rcf.it

as i said i would love a zxa3, but maybe that rcf will do

As far as sound quality it should be equal to if not slightly better than zxa5 in the high frequency. You lose spl an bass response an there basically the same price. I would say not on par but an excellent option no dout.

only reason i was looking at the rcf, i heart a pair of 322a's in big room this year at the dj expo, them things sounded great for a 12 in such a big room, filled the whole room side to side front to back

i have always been a ev man, but might get a pair of rcf's, for when i don't need the 15's & the elx112p won't do

I have a pair of the KW122's and I love them. One of them went bad on me but it got fixed real quick with that 6 year warranty. The bass is nice and the highs are crisp. A little heavy but its nothing you cant handle.

I noticed he posted the 722A, a 12" woofer... the RCF 725A, a 15", would be more of an apples-to-apples with the ZXa5. All that PDidy mentioned would still hold true with the 725A but I don't think they get as loud as the EV. I'd guess that bass response would sound equivalent with better / cleaner top end on the RCF, just not as loud at high volumes. The ZXa5 is tough to beat in the loudness category for a powered speaker and any dollar level.

... by better / cleaner top end, I mean less raspy highs at the loudest volumes.

So, I just bought the EV ELX115P's. I didn't want them from the beginning because they weren't Made in USA like EV's other speakers. The sway for me was they ARE still EV, like my other tops, they're for my Karaoke DJ setup AND they're MUCH better than the Tapco Thumps they'll be replacing. I got 'em for $612 each locally and they'll even price match or refund any of their future sales/discounts to me within the next 60 days (holiday coupons/flyers/etc).

As far as listening tests, I compared the ELX115P's to the Mackie THumps and the sound was no contest. The Thumps sounded decent up to an extent and simply ran out of gas far before the EV's did. I also compared the 115P's to the JBL PRX615's. I honestly didn't hear a $200 each difference in sound quality. When I ran the EV's in contoured mode, they actually sounded better than the JBL PRX 615's on 3 out of 4 tracks. I could imagine with more critical listening, the JBL PRX's might possibly prevail but for $400 a pair less for the EV's, I had my solution... again, knowing they would be used for my Karaoke usage and rental purposes.

Now the ELX118P vs. the PRX618S-XLF... I could hear the $500 price difference justification. The PRX XLF's sounded noticeably better, hitting much harder and deeper on most all bass notes. I returned the ELX118P that I recently purchased (never used or opened).

so you think the live x tops & xlf sub! makes sense, i use zx4's with a m pro sub & zx5 with srx sub, why not do the same with the active speakers

I'm a fan of matching subs and tops but 2 ELX115P mated with JBL XLF subs would be cheaper than XLF subs and PRX615 tops. You'd probably want to consider 12" tops if you KNOW you'll always be running subs.

Your ZX4's and ZX5's mated with MPro and SRX subs will outclass any LiveX or PRX equipment provided you have them properly crossed over and properly powered with the right sized amps. EV usually does a great job on their tops.

for the price you should've looked into the rcf 312a. I know you hate the way they look but for $759 for the pair, you can't be that.

www.ebay.com

I've heard all the newer speakers (jbl prx 615, qsc k10s, ev live 112p) and for the price you can't be these. I have 2 pair of the rcf 310a and a pair of rcf 312a and i paid $2500 for all those speakers and they sound great.

i been thinking of getting a pair of these, just to have for a smaller set up, but the sub that matches those rcf's is 80lbs www.rcf.it , for that i think i'd rather carry two zx1's two sb122's & 1 qsc plx

You would definitely be better off with the two zx1's two sb122's & 1 qsc plx set up for smaller gigs. But those rcf312a are great speakers for the price.

$759 for a pair... damn that's cheap! Those speakers use to be up there in price. You've got a point BUT my KJ doesn't want to carry a sub. She'll be good to go with a top with a 15" driver. It'll provide all the bass response she'll need for Karaoke gigs. She was good to go with the Tapco 15"s but she did recognize the frequent peaking of them.

The bass response for the rcf 312a aren't that bad. the 312 and the 315 use the same enclosure.

Okay, I'm resurrecting an old a$$ point but check out this video and look @ 2:16 - 2:20 at how loose the Connie's cover is: Watchwww.youtube.com

Dude even has to grab the bottom portion of the cover just to adjust it a couple of inches at the 2:22 mark. These covers, if they were built right, should at least have a velcro strap to secure the bottom. When I'm sliding my speaker in and out of my SUV, I don't want to have to hold onto the bottom to prevent the cover from rising up. (nm)

Yes, they are almost half the cost of Tuki-type covers, but not worth it if you really want to protect your speakers. Just trying to help my DJ brethren out...

+1, i think there trash, there are better covers on the market

Now That This Thread Was Brought Back From The Dead,

I own:
2 x ELX 112P
2 x ELX 118P
And Covers For Each Speaker By:
www.undercovernyc.com
Purchased From IDJNOW

BAD NEWS:
I Had The Amp Warrantied Already On One Of the ELX 118P :(

Good deal or not?

2 x ELX 115P
2 x Speaker Stands
2 x XLR Cables
--$1000

2 x ELX 118P
--$1180

--$170 Shipping

$2350 Total

better Deal Than I Got But I Bought Them 6+ Months Ago 2500.00
2 x ELX 112P
2 x ELX 118P

Stands, Cables And Covers Seperate.

i got, elx112p $500 elx115p $600 elx 118p $700 each, free shipping so it looks like a better deal than i got

Great deal, except I'd use a different sub. I got my ELX115Ps for $515 each, no stands, no cables.

The sub was such a good price I couldn't pass it up. Got two so I wouldn't have to drive a single one too hard. I am also curious about the subs being optimized for use with the Live X tops? @justnoize How does your set-up sound when you are running them all together?

Tracking

I'm still torn between the EV live 15s and the JBL prx615, the EVs are cheaper but I can get a good deal on the JBLs rnd less than 700

Anyone used both?

Just purchased the ELX 12s for the few small-intermediate sized mobile gigs that I get per year.

Did a Large corporate Holiday this weekend using the ELX12s for the 1st time. I was extremely impressed with the sound quality even in the large hotel conference room filled with 300+ people. Once the dancing started on the floor, I went to the back of the room to listen to the Speakers along with the crowd volume. I could hear them very well back there! The ballroom had 30-33 tables with 10 People to a table.

I haven't invested in a power sub just yet. But during setup and sound/mic check, I was super impressed with the lows coming out of the tops.

Grade: A
Stars: 5

FYI: Last speaker I rented for a small wedding were the EON 515s and the only thing I can say I enjoyed better was the weight of the EON's.
I've rented/used just about every speaker listed in this thread which helped me finally make the best decision for my situation.

So... you did a corporate function with 300+ people and only 2 12" tops? It makes some sense if you're concentrating that sound towards the dance floor only. That room must have had really good acoustics.

They had a house system & Mics for Slide Show/Video Projection....and wound up using my Speakers towards the end for a few announcements right before the "dancing" started.

Yes the acoustics were very nice.

i have to come to his defence, i did a wedding 200 people in a school gym, yes a "SCHOOL GYM"

the only thing i took was (all ev) a pair of sb122's a pair of zx1's with a qsc 3002 & 1 sx100+ ,the sound was amazing i could not belive i had that room rocking with just two 12 inch subs two 8 inch tops & one two way powered 12 inch just to fill in sound

people kept coming up to me saying is that all thats playing as they pointed at my speakers

Lol. Thanks for your input Joee. No need to defend me. Gaffle's input in this thread helped contribute to me making this decision.

The speakers exceeded my expectations along with serving their purpose. From what I got from the Event Planner who hired me is that they wanted to try a dj from a club instead of their normal DJ....because folks ate, drank and usually split after the awards were handed out.

Joee, I received those same compliments along with compliments on my music selection! Being a club DJ first....is what the Event Coordinator was looking for this year to liven up the "boring company holiday party" . All they kept saying was that they didn't want to hire an out of touch Mobile DJ Service Co that they've had the past 10 years.

But here's what made me proud of my decision:

Intel had their holiday party of 300+ in the ballroom next to us. There was another 200+ party in the conference room in front of Intel's room. By the end of the night people from both Holiday Parties had migrated and asked if they could come into the company's party I was spinning because of the Sound, Lights, and Club atmosphere they noticed.

Hats off to you for making it a nice production (lights/atmosphere). Some people go the cheap route and try to get over with the cheapest setup possible, failing miserably. That corporate holiday money is usually pretty good too and you may get repeat business with them if you represented well.

Thanks, and this by far was the biggest Mobile event I've done to date. This was more about me finally purchasing the best fit for the type of mobile gigs I do per year instead of Renting equipment each and every time. And like I stated earlier, having a powered Sub option on deck is definitely my next purchase.

For my 3 or so Mobile events I do per year, I'm extremely happy with my investment. If I do more events and continue to cross over into the Mobile world I do not have a problem expanding my gear.

I just don't want to be that guy on the Craigslist Add:

"Selling 4 15inch Tops, 4 Subs, etc. Original Boxes and Manuals. Everything must go, Rarely used, Mint condition, I used to Mobile DJ. Serious inquiries please"

lol

I think They Sound Pretty Good, I have a Keen ear for sound there are definitely better, louder speakers out there But for the price point they are the most clearist sound out that i've herd Comparing the PRX, EON, MACKIE and even again IMO the QSC K's Hence the thread title lol
i usually will not run the tops full range and run the subs it sounds nice tight bass not sloppy

i can't believe it took that long for someone the say they were better than the qsc's, lol.....i agree with you 100%

Just ordered a pair of EV 115p full review soon

I think you'll be happy with them, I did some small events using 1 of my friends EV 115P (he only bought 1) and I couldn't even turn it up more than halfway without it being too loud for the room. 2 of those would probably be good, although if I were going to buy speakers I'd probably buy 2 EV 112P's and a subwoofer, not saying the bass isn't bad, but I'm so spoiled with venues that have powerful subs.

One bar me and my friend DJ at sometimes about 2000 square feet, he brought it for a booth monitor, for fun we put it on a stand and turned it up, it was louder and had more bass the all the speakers (mostly Yorkville 8 or 10" speakers, American Audio amps) in the whole bar.

Ha ha sweet, ya I'm excited. I could have gone JBL prx 15 or maybe some k12s but for the money i just couldn't pass it up. Im going to probably get a passive sub cause i
Still have a crown ce2000 and then probably the JBL xlf 18.

I'm upgrading. Do 90% mobile wedding, corporate, mitzvah parties in spaces ranging from 120 max cap venues to 400+ max cap conference space. Believe it or not I've been using (2) JBL JRX125 with a EP2500 for 8 or 9 years. For big events I rent subs to stand them on, and have a couple powered 8's to use as remotes. That system is absolutely maxed in huge conference space, but I've always had (just) enough. I can do gyms with just the JRX125's as long as I'm on stage and it's not a teenage hip-hop dance. Again, I rent subs for that.

I need to move to powered cabs on poles. I plan on this system to handle up to 200ppl. More than that I'll bring the JRX125's out as well.

2 setups that are the same price that I'm comparing:
#1= (2) EV ZXA5
#2= (2) QSC K12 + (1) KW181

Thoughts?

# 2

...and why?

My thinking:
-The K12's would be useful solo for house parties (a few times a year) and perhaps up to 100 guest weddings? (Who has tried the K12's without subs? How many people can they push?) After that I need the sub.
-The ZXA5 would do the same, but up to 200 guest weddings? (Who knows from personal exp how big a wedding party can be run well from just 2 ZXA5's?)
- How would option #1 and #2 compare to each other?
- If I run the JRX125's as subs (x-over @100Hz) wouldn't the ZXA5's on top then be the clear winner over the K12's?

It seems like ZXA5's to me.... but I don't want to be missing anything that I'm not thinking through, or just don't know :-)

THANKS, by the way!

Wow. Just found the thread on setup pictures with over 8000 replies... pdidy, were you kidding about picking the QSC? You sure seem to be a huge fan of the ZXA5, and from your gig experience it seems the more potent tool!

wasnt kidding, i currently own both...
i26.photobucket.com
i26.photobucket.com

Theres no doubt im a big fan of the EV ZXA5....... The EV ZXA5 is a freakin beast with good bass response for a top and gets extremely loud an is far Superior to the QSC K12 when compared 1 to 1. 2 EV ZXA5 is = to 4 QSC K12.........But as great as it is, it will never replace a true sub. In order to achieve good sound quality a sub is REQUIRED. This is why i choose "#2= (2) QSC K12 + (1) KW181" because it will cover 200 while providing better sound quality (a fuller sound). The JRX125 is not a true sub an therefore I did not consider it as a real option paired with zxa5's.

Thank you for the clarification. Looking at my already-booked schedule for 2012 I have:
-5 gigs in gyms or gym-sized convention centers with 300-400 ppl.
-10 hotel conference space weddings/mitzvahs with 175-250 ppl.
-10 wedding venue gigs for 100-150 ppl.
I will at least double that schedule through the year, but the ratios are probably consistent.
For a $3000 budget what would you recommend had I not suggested the QSC? The same?

Criteria:
I need to buy classy appearance gear (smooth cabs like k12/zxa5 rather than open face like srm450).
I'd like to keep a single sub under my table so it's invisible, if one sub is enough.
I also know the JRX125 is not ideal, hence needing better gear :-) They could be used for additional full-range volume reinforcent in the largest spaces though?

A comparison; I heard Mackie HD1221 over HD1501's in one of the same hotel conference rooms I'll be doing a 220 person party in. It was sufficient, though did not have any extra (perception, I wasn't running the gear so I don't know how hard it was being pushed). I've also performed that room with just my JRX's. It was also "sufficient". I'd like to move past sufficient to "happy" with the new gear :-)

A big part of me wants the ZXA5 just because they're great, but that would be a poor choice if they're not the right fit... Hence my questions!

It is such a relief to speak with competent & experienced people :-)

Considering all the gigs you have lined up.......you can afford to stretch your budget a lil...lol
If i were you......I'd get the zxa5s......do so gigs.......save.......buy a sub.

but just to give you an idea of how loud a zxa5 is.....it would take 2-3 KW181s to keep up with 1 zxa5 because they can go even louder when crossed over at 100hz.

My budget is paying for our first kid and my wife to quit her job this year :-)
Can I do this well for $3000, or am I just frustrating myself?
At 100-150 person weddings I don't want to have a visible sub, hence wanting one that will fit under a table. What's my best option for that scenario?
At 250 ppl in a hotel I'll show a couple subs no problem... But can I get the right gear for $3k?
Until I heard of the ZXA5 I figured I'd be golden with either (2) PRX612 over (1) 618-XLF or the k12's and a KW181. Now I feel like that might be inadequate. I can't get the zxa5 without having it shipped. Maybe I need to borrow a K12/181 and just play it in the open next to my JRX to make sure it's at least better than what I have for volume and presence. If that's close to what I already have then I'll KNOW I have to go bigger. Grrr. Stupid money, keeping me away from the best toys :-)

So, do I get the k12/181 for now, save up and sell the k12's to buy zxa5's? That way I'm balanced while I save up? Or do I get the zxa5's now and be a bit bass weak in the meantime but ready on the top for anything? What's better for my clients?

Will the zxa5 alone sound "better" than my JRX125? I do hit fairly low with the 2x15's in there... Will the K12's just not push enough for 250 in a conference space? Being left underpowered would be so lame... Remember when 4 SRM450's made us feel like we could rock a gym?

Relevant side note; do the ZXA5's play well in a house? I have a few birthday & holiday parties that are held in a high-ceiling living room with 30 (wealthy and snobby) people, so my system needs to scale down as well as up.

i have 2 k12's and a kw181 and the sound is perfect. ive done parties in gyms around 200+ people and system was more then enough i remember during peak hours of the party i went to back of the gym to use bathroom and it felt like i was in a club. Also just the k12's for a house party is fine i just run them in deep mode and get great bass response. IMO the zxa5 would be an over kill for a house party and are made more for 300+ sized events

They'll play well anywhere you put them. They have a very open and articulately clear sound. Moreso than a K12 or KW12 or KW152, at all volume levels for that matter. The ZXa5 is a step up in class over those boxes (no knock on QSC K-series as they are very good). The EV's are $2100 MSRP per speaker for a reason.


+1. If you're wanting to get it right the first time and never have to look back... $3k on two ZXa5's is great choice. PDidy and Joee also run JBL's VRX 18" subs which seem like a good powered mate to the ZXa5's. Be warned... it takes a lot of sub to keep up with them at wide open throttle; they can reaLLy get loud. When the ZXa5 is at its loudest, it can sound a little rawkus but at that level, you wouldn't be able to even hear a lesser powered cabinet.

That thinking behind going with the 2 K12 tops and a sub is logical. You're probably looking at $2700 with that solution to your door and you'll sound good for your sized events.

If you can afford to keep the JRX's, do so and use them as a fail-safe backup or rent them out to newbie DJ's to get you closer to that sub for the ZXa5's, LOL...

^that's 2 votes for k12/181


^That's 2 votes for starting with ZXA5's with no sub...


^now 3 votes for the qsc?


2 questions: (1)Why the VRX rather than PRX618s-XLF? Seems like I'd just be paying for flyability???
(2)How does the VRX18 (orPRX18-XLF) compare to the KW181?

2 questions: (1)Why the VRX rather than PRX618s-XLF? Seems like I'd just be paying for flyability???
(2)How does the VRX18 (orPRX18-XLF) compare to the KW181?

i went through the same decision about a year ago this vid helped me decide between jbl and qsc
Watchwww.youtube.com

Good question...

According to the specs:
- the VRX goes about 5Hz lower than the PRX's (34Hz vs. 39Hz). When dealing with subs, 5Hz is noticeable.
- the VRX has a 1500W amp vs. the PRX's 1000W amp (this only equates to about 1.5 dB of difference). Watts don't tell whole the story.
- Max SPL of the VRX is 126dB but that was measured with free-field conditions with no boundaries to help enhance the sound. The PRX states 133dB Max SPL but it was measured with some sort of wall or boundary helping enhance the sound.
- The VRX has AC loop-thru allowing you to daisy-chain another powered speaker off of your 1st one. This is a pro-level feature.
- The VRX is 4 lbs. heavier than the PRX. Maybe due to the flyability.

You'd have to decide if those differences are worth it to you. Definitely, try and hear them in person. You could compare the QSC KW181's specs to the above to see where it falls.

what's up conon

sorry i got here a little late, i do run zxa5 & jbl vrx 18 sub, i also run ev live x all of them 12, 15 & 18 sub........what is it that your wanting to know? maybe i can help!!!!

If comparing specs were all it took... Ha!
Thanks for helping out with your experience guys! These all look great on paper, thats why I need your feedback.

Joee, see 2 & 5 posts above for what I'm trying to do.

You know what, Imma come from a different angle entirely.

Guys, I need to step up from (2) JRX125's. I have $3000. Gigs I'll do this year; 5 @ 50ppl, 20 @ 150ppl, 15 @ 250ppl, 10 @ 3-400ppl. I need to be able to play hip-hop at all these event sizes. I'm okay taking my JRX's out as support for the 400-people ones, but need the new system to handle 220 comfortably, not straining.

I want self-powered. I like the fans on QSC rather than passive cooling. I like 2 ELX118 for the price of 1 kw181/prx618xlf. I like the reputation of the 618xlf. I like the under-table size of the 181. I like the look of the k12 & PRX more than ELX. I like conflicting features. That's why I need help.

if your on a budget it's really hard to beat the live x stuff, two 15 tops will cost $1,200 & two 18 subs will coast $1,400 bringing your total to $2,600 shipped you may be able to find it cheaper too, call rob at www.proaudiostar.com tell him joe sent you he may give you a better deal

now that said i see you are looking at the zxa5's, this speaker is in a class all it's own there is Nothing in it's price range size or weight that can come close to it's performance, however they are expensive i paid $2,614 for a pair, i come from the school of buy once buy wright

my advise get the zxa5's & save for the sub's, i like the jbl vrx sub for it's size & weight, if i didn't care about that i may have went with a rch sub

o forgot to mention the zxa5 has a fan

Third vote for this then. Last question (ha ha):

Save how much for subs? Another $4k for 2 VRX's or danley 18's? Not in the cards this year gentlemen. That's $7k+ to upgrade a $1k system! And I have a hard time imagining actually using that at a 125 person wedding, or needing it for 250. For $3k (total) it sounds like the qsc/elx/prx is the best way to get a "complete" system. Am I hearing this correctly?

So... What's the best combo for me of the QSC/ELX/PRX options? I hear about PRX overheating. I'm wary of a 1/2 price sub. I don't know if a 12"top will be enough. Grrr.
I know a local guy with prx615m's. I'll rent k12's this weekend and compare them to see if 12" will give me what I need or not.

Stupid money, keeping me from having the gear I really want (2 of each, please!)

get the zxa5's, than add one vrx sub when you have the funds, you can find them for around $1,500, that puts you at about $4,000


but again is money is the issue ev live x is the way to go, or even this will make a good setup for you crowd, you say 200 people or less

---> www.ebay.com

----> rkaudio.com

don't let the price of the rcf tops fool you it is pro level gear

Re RCF: I can't get open-faced cabs with my clientele. I know SxA360's would sound great for smaller parties too, but the visual kills it. I could do a sub like that RCF though, if it's better than the ELX/KW/PRX-XLF.

what do you mean open face, the horn, if so i think there is a kit to cover it

Yes, one of the few things I am going to be inflexible on is I need a clean grill over the whole face. I can't really blame my brides and corporate clients, they do look SO much better in photos especially!
I've never heard of this cover kit. You talking about pulling a big spandex sock over it? Lol. That would be, actually that might work. Lol.

no it's a metal grill that covers the horn i'll try to find a pic

going back to the live x gear i really like it i think the tops sound better than the prx, it's not on par with the zx line but still sounds good you cant go wrong for the price, like i said call rob at peoaudiostar tell him joe sent you see what kind of deal you can get

two 12's & one 18 is all you will need if all you do is small events, if you do big events than two 15's & two 18's is what you want

So what size party would you do with:
2 elx112's
2 12's & 1 18
2 12's & 2 18's
Or would you recommend the 15 tops rather than the 12's?

up to 150 people 2 12's & 1 18, more 2 15's & 2 18's, you will be happy

that also depends on the style of music you play, if alot of bass heavy stuff go 2 18's & 2 15's

I have the RCF's with the full grill. Got 3 of them actually. I bought mine with the grill already on from the person I bought them from. Gaffle said he found someone that has them for sale individually where you can put them on yourself.

I grabbed 3 RCF Art312a with RCF covers and 2 RCF Art718AS with RCF covers for around $4250.
The 312s get very loud and very clear. Before buying I A/Bed them with the K12s adn I actually like the RCF better, especially at high volumes. I found the K12s to be a little tinny while loud yet the RCF was a little more full and warm. The RCF subs were a little expecsive but they are great subs. I'm sure you can get some others cheaper if you feel.
Here is a pic of the 312s with the full grill. This option really tipped the scales for me because like you, I don't like the look of the horn exposed, so the full grill makes these a killer looking and sounding speaker. I can take some pics of them when I get home if you want.

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and there you go rcf fully covered !!!!!!

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If only this auction was 30 days from now...

Joee, RCF 312/15 rather than the ELX15? Once I add subs I'm at $4200... Enough for zxa5's and 1 vrx18... And you've all said that's better than anything else at that price.

Update: I have a pair of K12's to use this weekend. I'll A/B them with the jrx125's Saturday (gym, 220-250ppl) to see how 100hz+ carries and sounds. That will tell me if a 12 is enough for what I need. Sunday I'll watch the Super Bowl and mix a set through them in my house (movie room) to get a feel for house party ability. Monday a local guy with PRX615m's is coming by to A/B/C with the K12 and JRX125. My deck faces an open play field, which will give us room to open them up. That should tell me what size I need to move forward with at least. Anybody else in the Seattle area want to add any other speakers/subs to the mix any of those days? k12's were the only set I could get a hold of... No RCF, no ELX just sitting on a shelf.

I use to own the QSC HPR121i's. They were pretty decent and easily on par with the K12's. WHen I first received and A/B'd the QSC next to the ZXa5, I couldn't believe the difference in bass response. Granted, that's a 12" vs. a 15" speaker but the QSC seemed almost muted in bass and loudness comparison.

Go with what you're comfortable with and what your pocket will permit. You've received some solid advice on here though.

Yes, advice here is solid. If I feel like the best of the $1000 cabs isn't going to easily do what I need, then I'll proudly order up some zxa5's unheard, just on your input. My big block to doing that right now is that it would mean running without any subs for the indeterminate future, so I'm hoping these "lesser" options are capable enough :-)

the zxa5's hit like crazy, you will be fine using them stand alone till you can get at least one vrx

as for the rcf's two 12's less than $800 & one 15 inch sub around $1,000, how did you come up with that $4,200, thats less than $2,000

I was browsing on my phone and saw Cert Qual Ent's comment:

...so I belived they were $4200, which is as much as 2 ZXA5's and a VRX18, according to you:

so I wondered why go with the RCF's rather than the zxa/vrx.

Would you pick RCF15's over ELX15's?
I'll have a better feel for whether or not any of these will scratch my itch after this weekend. If not I'll have ZXA5's on the way. If the K12 or PRX625 hit me with everything I want, then I'll be hunting a way to compare ELX & RCF cabs as well... None of you ZXA5 / ELX / RCF owners live near Seattle, do you?

I have read that the RCF315A's don't have too much more bass than an RCF312A. Even though there's a larger driver, supposedly the enclosure is the same exact size. I own both the 312A's and the ELX115P's. I'll say the ELX115P is definitely more bassy and a little louder sounding (due to having the 15" woofer) but the 312A has a slightly more clean vocal'ish sound. You should not expect to DJ mid-size functions with just a pair of 312A's... you need a sub to get the best sound out of them. Some people have said the K12's have harder/deeper bass than the 312A's and I wouldn't doubt this. As far as overall clarity, I'd probably lean a little towards the 312A.

Saying all of this, I'd rather have an art 315A over an EV ELX115P even thought I've never heard the 315A. This is based my my above comparison with my 312A's and the fact that they're well designed and Italian made. The ELX115P's will surprise you as they are pretty low costing, yet sound really good as a two-speaker, affordable DJ solution. I don't think there's a better sounding DJ speaker for it's price at $599 each except the RCF ART 315A at $549 each.

thought = though

just giving you options................

but i say do it wright the first time, get the zxa5's than get the sub when you have the extra funds, buy once buy wright be happy with you purchase

I finally heard some Meyer Sound speakers last night. It was just two UPA-1P tops and two USW-1P subwoofers.

There speakers were among the best I've ever heard in terms of a compact self-powered setup. Then I found out that they cost about $5500 each for the tops and about $5000 for each subwoofer...

I guess I would have to book a lot more gigs to justify buying them....

Definitely boutique speakers. That's $21,000 for just those 4 speakers. Do you know what types of systems you can get for that much money?

Yeah, I've heard of Meyer Sound for installations and line arrays, but I didn't know they had a portable and self-powered line. Actually, I saw on the Funktion One website that they have a couple of compact self-powered speakers. I wonder if anybody on this board ever had experience with those...