My attitude? => Me happy how it already works today.
Rest of development with added features = bonus. No matter when it comes.

IBTL

can some say Banned!! lol,

Serato doin a good job! keep it up, I happy, some people ungratefull

I can understand you being frustrated, but you don't have to be rude to express it.

I would suggest you something : why don't you start your own business in making djing software ?
You'd have exactly what you want, and could manage your customers just the way you want, keeping them updated on every new fantastic feature you add, and exactly when you plan to release it.
And this way, you'd be dead in no time, because your competitors would be as informed as your customers, and would launch their killer apps, with all of YOUR new features you announced earlier, and just before you launch your own.

I agree Serato has much room for improvement on the customer relationship side, but also understand that this is a business, not a game, and some secrecy is required. Would Apple, for example, be there as they are, if they were announcing all their new features months before ? That's what give them their leadership against competitors.

Serato is not doing a good job.

If you like to be second choice in life, thats good. Great for you.

I stated a few weeks ago that i would guarantee SSL 2.2 will be done in time by NAMM as it dosent make sense for them to go into NAMM with SSL 2.2 not released and still in Beta.

Why are we pushed back and never told whats going to happen with our software? I still have an issue with my NS7 that was confirmed it would be fixed in the next major release. When is that going to be? I reported this issue a few months ago.

Screw new features here. Im talking about maybe different look, more easy on the eyes, better data base manangement. Why cant they just say , hey guys we are working hard to provide something good for you. But no, they dont even speak a word.

We were told ok fine...well wait til NAMM, we are here, today @ namm and still nothing. Now what, we wait until the PIO and NS6 are released??

What do you mean edge over the competitiion?? We are talking bout DJ software here, not hardware. All other DJ softwares have more features than ITCH, even SSL, pisses on itch. So you cannot come tell me they are working on a miracle feature,
thats bs. If anything they have haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard catch up to do.

Ok, seems you're really unhappy with Serato software. Then, why do you continue with it ? They are other softwares out there, other controllers, nobody forces you to keep using Serato. Especially if they are so late in features.`

You know how this company is, and how they deal with informing their customers, and it seems it's not likely to change. You should try to find a brand which would be more similar to your values, and which could make you feel respected as a customer.

Just want to redirect this thread to say a huge thank you to pene, the programmers and paid and unpaid testers that continue to make itch a world class product.

I'd love to hear about new toys as well, but I'm more of a "get it when it's ready" kinda guy.

Using a company's own website to say "fuck you" to them. Very classy.

Oh well, your comment stands DJFLUKE. I'll let other forum members judge the sense of saying such things.

definitely not very professional... being on this forum will guarantee all of us the first peek at 2.0 when the public beta comes... we will get the first taste before release.

all this nonsense and speculation and demanding we get a peek at it before it is ready isnt going to make any progress... along with vulgarity it really doesnt do much for the development of the future of itch.

i like the title of this thread cause it really sums up the OP's nonsense. Obviously ITCH isnt working for you -- stop using it and move on....

Well coming from SSL and being false promised things, i do have a right to be mad. I and We were promised a lot a long time ago and have been in continious relay with Serato with support and love, but why dont we get that love back? Why cant they just say its coming and give us teasers.

Chris, you say it like im ashamed. Why dont you and your co workers spend some time in answering all the un answered posts users have made about what the is future of this product. When a company (like myself) invests in a product, i deserve to know what the future of that product will be, dont you think? To sign me up, like any sales men, you buy me in. Ok now the wait is over, and i want to know what the future is of my investment. You denying my responses and ignoring us, is something you should be ashamed of. I have 4 NS7's and 2 VCI 300 for my company . I have supported this software from A-Z, but enought is enough.

Chris, instead of telling me that its not classy, why dont you tell me what the status is of this : serato.com.
What should i say to you, your not doing your job???

dont want to chime in for chris but this is the LAST sentance of the help request

"I don't think it's an ITCH issue, but if you get an improvement please let me know :D "

I would never suffer so much pain for anything, go figure for a DJ tool.

Sell the damn thing and enjoy life, If you can. It's short.

"This seems to be something firmware related, we've now got a lock on the issue, so we're working with the firmware team to get this sorted soon.
I don't think it's an ITCH issue, but if you get an improvement please let me know :D "

Your right kraal , i should contact the firmware department. I should ask em for an update.

heres another one

"We have seen this before, and from our testing it is a firmware issue. We're just investigating further, so will hopefully have this issue resolved in the next firmware update. So make sure you keep an eye out for that :D "

how do i contact the firmware department to ask em for an update?

At First I thought it was a game from the 80's........Then probably a song by Cee lo.

Post back in the Help Request.

good answer!

+1 what happens if there is nothing new for Itch coming out of NAMM? Will you lose your gigs?

Chris, sorry if ive offended you. I have a lot of respect for Serato and what you have done.

I really do feel left out with certain things and i cannot help but get annoyed. I put a lot of trust in this software for weddings and it never fails me, but i need to know what the product holds in the future. I just want to know if Itch is really being taken seriously by Serato. Similar to when a company releases more than 1 product, but they update more than the other, it makes you question what the future of that second product.

All of you run your mouth, let me ask you this. We are all DJ's. I do mobile. How would your clients feel if you favored some more than the others and they knew about it? can you tell em well when you booked me this is what you were promised and be happy and thats it?

Thats what your all telling me. Thats not the right attitude. We deserve to know what our investment will be down the road.

to add to my last sentence. We deserve to know the future of our investment.

When you buy a house , you think of it as an investment. Not as what its worth today. If you do, your a baddddddddd business man. You buy a house with what WILL BE added in the future in the area. WHAT WILL the area BE WORTH in the future. HOW MUCH will it be worth down the road.

For me to tell my clients, yes i will get video and i can do this this and this. Yes i will get support via iphone so i can do this this and this would be great.

Pioneer have partnered with Serato and released an ITCH controller. Numark have announced their third ITCH controller. We have Allen & Heath, Vestax and Denon on board too.

You know all of this so I'm surprised that you're unsure whether or not Serato take ITCH seriously.

Are you serious? Do you have any conception about what you are saying?

You buy what works for you at the time that you buy it. If you needed video so bad there was another way to go, ScratchLive with the VSL plug-in.

As to your house analogy...do you ever watch the news? Just in case you haven't let me tell you that there are no guarantees concerning house prices...just because you paid xxx amount for it does not mean you will get more than you paid for it.

Please have a somewhat decent argument the next time you come back.

But they are going to hire you based on what service you can provide now, not in the future...right?

and you dont expect to sell any technology for more than it was when you bought it... like you would with a house...

you buy technology for what it is when you buy it... not what it will turn out to be.

I'm sorry to say, but I don't agree with you DjDaveZ.

You buy a product because of what it does, but also because you know how it can evolve. At least in this range of products, hardware controllers coupled with softwares.

Let me explain : I bought Itch, because I owned ScratchLive. I was one on the first batch of customers in France, calling quite everyday the vendors to know if it was in stock.
And this, because at this time, there was a great response from the serato team on the PSSL forum dedicated to SSL. The software was evolving quite every month, so I followed the evolution of the product, and it was wonderful, with new features everytime, and great response from the developers team. You would never look at what others programs did, because they were far behind.
And when I bought Itch, I thought it would be exactly the same, a great product with a minimal set of features at the beginning, but rock stable, and new features coming regularly to make it up to the competitors, Traktor at this time.
So when this company tells you "ok, video will be coming to Itch too", you can assume it will be within the 6-12 months. Especially when you consider that the core engine is the same between SSL and Itch, and the video plugin already exist on SSL.
Today, I own a A&H Xone DX, but I have to say I find the S4 attracting. In some years, NI did a great job, and are constantly evolving, and they really do a great job in teasing and selling it. And I second the demand I saw in another post : Serato really needs a good PR !! :)
All that to say, I'd really like to see a communication as great as these early SSL days. But I don't know if it is still possible, now that Serato is a major league player, and not an outsider anymore.

Concerning Fluke's dilemma : as wedding are planned really early, I can understand Fluke would like to know if he can offer this feature for the next "season" or not. On the other side, I can understand Serato willing to keep that kind of secret, and making a big announcement the day it's launched. Hard to find the right balance between these two...

BUT, as to question the fact Itch is taken seriously, no doubt on that, as Chris said, with such partnerships, they plan to make it big. Only, they should make it big a lot faster, as competitors are really launching good products.

what???
if your current system can not provide a service at time of making the deal then NO YOU CANNOT provide the service.

as far as traktor s4 pr --- um lets see s4 was announce heavily a couple months before it was announced had a giant 'fire sell' right before the released a new version of traktor --- hmmm its the business

releasced not announced

Kraal,

Your analogy brother is very wrong. Anything you purchase in todays world, ANYTHING, is based on what it does at the moment, and how it will interact in the future. Dont not say no!!! When you make any investment, wether car, house, you look at the pros and cons of that products and you ask yourself : is this going to benefit me in a year or two from now? Can i resell it in a year or two from now and make decent coin or is the value going to shrink down because the seller will not be backing it up?

I dont know how you live...but when i bought my house, i looked at the future site plans of that area and what was to be built in that area, and i asked is this going to increase the value of my house? Is it going to affect my living? When i bought my car, can i reselll this car fast ? Is the value going to go down when a new model comes out? Can i fix it easily? Are parts going to be available in 5 years? Of course all i wanted was a car to get my around, but before dropping 10-15 g's i needed to know my investment was reliable and secure as to manufactuer will not be backing up my investment when needed.

To put this into DJ terms, we all bought itch to what it does then, and to what it will be tomorrow, dont say no, as its bs. We all knew software was the future 2 -3 years ago, and we were promised a lot in the past as to how this software WAS GOING to evolve, and sadly that hasent happend.

I bet you have an iphone or BB or even android. Are you going to tell me you didnt update your OS when it was released? BS. We all want bug fixes, new features and whatever comes added even though when purchased it was not there. The only reason BB updated their OS, is because apple came along the way and did something that changed the game, and now BB needs to compete, same for android. That concept applies to DJing. We all want the peice of mind that when buying a new product , that this product will be supported in a year or two as the manufacturer will be supplying updates on it, so it gives us confidence on that product. Serato has given us update, but now Chris is saying how Pioneer is on board and a new Numark controller so it is taking seriously. Well thats just 2 new controllers. Lets go back, Numark have 2 controllers already, Vestax as well has 2, Denon, AH and the FX units. So the recent 2 controllers are going to make me beleive that itch will be taken seriously but the first six couldnt??? How does that make sense?

And no itch didnt add a lot of features in the past. Effects and beat grids are COMMON. Everyone needs to quit acting like Serato has done so much for us in Itch, as in black and white, they really havent. Its been false promises. Yes yes, tell if it dosent work for me, sell it, but its more than that. I invested my money in false advertisement that i was sold on, and i cannot back on. I already invested and am setup for it.

Will have to live with it.

All the best to everyone.

Sorry have to agree with kraal, until its in the software its a firm No! You are comparing djing software to buying houses and cars? thats insane! Try your research on a video solution if you need it right now and stop waiting around beaching, until then your mobile service WILL NOT include video.

It doesn't make sense because that's not what I said and that's not what I mean.

Serato has taken ITCH seriously from day one. Each new hardware partner and each new controller announcement should act as an obvious re-affirmation of that.

Why should adding new controllers be a re affirmation? Its still the same software all across the board. The new PIO and Numark are jsut polished controllers of what already exisits. Nothing new has been added to the software. We have no outlook as to what the plans are. The fact that the pio video shows the same effects, tells me the effects wont be improved. The fact that same video shows the same font, it shows Serato didnt polish the GUI. Thats my point.

You can sign up anothe 3 manufactures for all i care, American Audio, Hercules even Gemini. What good will all those controllers be because the software they operate on is liminted as to what it can offer? Nothing.

I think buying new hardware for new features is BS and I dont support Itch on that issue. I dont use effects because I think $300 to add effect is BS and trust me if this VCI worked as well on other software I would drop Itch. Lets just say my next purchase will be well thought about

Im comparing buying in general. If you dont look at pros and cons of anything you buy then i dont know how you make purchases. I made purchases as the oulook i was given about the future of this product. Dont know why you cannot see that. Do some research and youll see other users are in the same boat.

Ok its like this, Serato the biggest software dj company or at least in the top 3. Itch is free to download but you pay big money for controllers like my NS7. I came from using virtual dj which is a cheap product compared to the NS7/itch.

Virtual dj would not be considered industry standard but it offers so so so much more than itch does, video, sampler, better data management, and even supports c
Timecode as well as controllers like my NS7.

If Serato is such a big company then what's the story with the F**ken backwards software. The frustration and patients of itch users has bread people to be like djfluke who just want to scream, tell us what the F**ken story is.

I just got the Djay app for the iPad which has "some"better features than SERATO ITCH, the app coat me €16.

if I was at NAMM I would be walking straight up to any of the mighty SERATO team with my BIg HD shoulder mounted camera, lights and a friend armed with a microphone and ask them where is The Bridge, Sampler and video etc, when is it being put out and what the hell is the delay, and if I am lucky to get a reply I could post it to YouTube and this forum. Maybe we should all spam there email, twitter accounts and demand answers even, I just don't know. If anyone is looking at this and are also at NAMM then please film someone asking SERATO some questions PLEASE

AND IF THEY USE THE WORD "SOON" THEN ASK THEM THE SAME QUESTIONS AGAIN TILL THEY TELL YOU!!!!

I tend to agree, I think that SERATO need to step up and take note at all the post what ITCH users really wants.

I understand to a point, I dont plan on investing in another Itch controller until it has exactly what I want at the time of purchase. Until then I am stuck with what I have and waiting for another solution for me and my vci-300

I would like some one from Serato to comment on this.

I will say it again, there are more than a few people upset at Serato.

This "buy it now and be satisfied stuff" is crazy. I've been around a minute and it's pretty insulting to see this happening from such a large company.

i will compare it to Samsung with some of their products. Samsung released a product and did exactly the same thing as serato is doing.

They actually had defective products and promising updates (not that Serato has a defective product), all the communication was "soon", "wait until the next firmware updates" ,etc.

Many on the forums lampooned the users for complaining or was saying the same things-"you bought it, be happy", never mind the fact it was supposed to be upgradable, work with their upcoming software,etc.

They actually discontinued the phone after those customers waited and remained (pissed off) but loyal.

They stopped the forum and came out with a new product that supposedly had all the features in it and told them to basically buy the other product if you don't like the features of what you have.

The ONLY good thing that ChrisD said was about the partnerships, because believe me Pioneer and Denon user's are not likely to sit idly by with ITCH taking their sweet time like this.

I think it was very wrong how DJFluke approached the topic, but he is BY FAR-NOT the only person who has had this frustration.

Those Partnerships are the things that are keeping or bringing in customers, DEFINITELY NOT ITCH'S INNOVATION, UPDATES, COMMUNICATION WITH IT'S COMMUNITY ON THE FRUSTRATIONS, OR THE OBVIOUS BIAS TOWARDS SSL.

Guess I will be banned as well.

+++1
Thanks DJFLUKE and DJBrianDowling

I said Fucc when I seen the new controllers without dedicated sampler sections which I am assuming they gonna make you buy another piece of hardware for samples?

ull see existing controllers will not have the new features.

^^^^ don't jump to conclusion yet.. It could be just like ssl where the sampler can be trigger by keyboard or better yet midi mappable

No one has been banned. Vent away. Call Serato any names you want but be nice to other forum users.

LOL. but not, they would not make any money

Read between the lines. Serato Itch has something on the horizon to hush u all mouth!!
I can see "chrisD" saying " i told u all so"

Chris your a trooper!!

yes but at the time I got my iphone i KNEW it didnt do video recording so I NEVER expected it too and guess what it still can't ( i have the original iphone)


but DJFLUKE the main question is what are these broken promises you are going on and on about?

or they choose not to have a sampler----

Knew you understood it was really venting. Unfortunately, I'm extremely reluctant to recommend ITCH or rather ITCH based products to my friends or colleagues based on the current track record.



I agree, as most of Serato staff is.

It's just not a good thing to frustrate a vocal percentage of your community with things that can be handled in a much better way.

This is the way Apple lost so many users, (granted they sold more product and tells you were their mindset is. Android phones are gaining so quickly and completely on them, it's a matter of time before that strategy reveals the backlash.

The way itch was sold on me, was that it would be expandable as its software. I was told by Numark (Sbangs) that new library managment would be coming, similar to VDJ, Video and more customization. This was in 2009 man..

Check this.
www.skratchworx.com

Read that, and look how much of that makes sense, almost three years later.

read this and be quite

what track record? cause there TONS of dj's making money with itch

your vocal percentage? you have to realize most people who are not complaining are not even on these forums

itch has evolved since that interview --- i'm done... stopping contributing to this thread

As a customer you should be able to vent, I personally hate iTCH. I use it because there are times where a gig that has no set up requires me to bring something portable, but my preference is SSL and 2 CDJ's. As a customer I have been very patient and now with Torq fully supporting my VCI300MKII, I may just make that move because the quality is there and it does what I want it to do. If iTCH gives me a comparable product I would be more than satisfied but fact is I have two DJ bags one with my VCI and one with my SSL3 gear and I can post pics for you to see my VCI Bag looks brand new, which means I hardly ever use it and it's not because I don't want to.

and I am CLUB DJ with gigs and residencies on a regular.

Kraal, you act as if someone offended you personally.
We are talking about a product with an abnormally long refresh cycle-strictly talking about features.

Do you realize that some people are actually jumping ship and being directed to Traktor, VDJ, Torq and others, not because the product doesn't work but it's track record of improvements/features are virtually non existant over the last two years?

He also said this:

yes but the point is that this is 3 years ago. Not much has changed.

Yay we got crappy effects in 1.5 which really shouldnt count until 1.7 with beat grid. It took Serato .7 versions to add effects and beat grids???

no just saying that cause people a personally putting my name by starting their comments with "kraal,"

as for all the people jumping ship i actually am happy for THEM that has been my point always find something that works and go for it

hmm i think the main frustration is see SSL get soo much attention and ITCH left in the dark.

The people that bought SSL never expected to had the bridge, VSL, SP6 sampler, builtin software DJ FX, etc, but yet they got all that in a fairly quick turnaround time. So after they implement that on SSL you have the learned experience on how to do it. Then you have a sister or brother software depending how you want to call it and for some reason takes a really long time to just add some basic features like samplers and improved sound effects.

Torq is still in beta and as of now cant keep up with fast scratching with the vci-300 , it froze on me twice today already so its not ready for a paid gig

Thats the problem, with the NS7 you cant even jump ship LOL, since virtual dj's handling of the NS7 is not live performance suitable. The minute Traktor would support the NS7 id jump ship, right now im giving a shot to Torq 2.0 to see if it suits my needs for live performance, if not then ill continue to stick with ITCH.

You Nailed it zaguama, Can we get the basic features w/o having to buy any third party software for just a sampler, plus we have effects that we can't use because it makes itch distort or crash. Thats not asking much, thats expected. 4 decks and video is almost a standard in software now and we don't have a sampler yet, Sad man so sad.

Noted, I do respect your opinion on this, but just hope you can vaguely see that others have a valid point on this.

If there was absolutely no cause for this then fine. I think we can all make money on what is present. That is not the issue! We can all be satisfied with this and everything we buy but that is not the issue!

The issue is many have stated their frustration, disappointment and have been treated as if this is something that is unheard of.

If you wan't to get on here and read all praise and la la then you can also find that as well. That's not the only use of a forum.

It is to impart knowledge, praise, frustrations, techniques, discuss hardware and software, influence, persuade and warn others via our experiences.

You and every other user have complained and praised this very software without the backlash some are receiving.

If you don't have an issue with it, then why act like others have absolutely no issue.

It's just not YOUR issue.
You can't just tell people who have spent thousands, demonstrating their loyalty to the company, to get over an issue that MANY have demonstrated.

All we're saying is let us also let the company know and warn others that this may be their issue as well. We give praise and we give criticism as well.

We have bought that right.

right which is why i said what i have to say and am now leaving the thread for you to continue without me butting in :)

I edited the quote! :) I think now it is perfect for a +1 rating! :)

Looking at my crystal ball I can say that, the next major update will bring a sampler! and then new hardware for the Bridge!

Do anyone remember the old days when 2 1200s, a mixer and your vinyl made you mega loot DJing. No internet, No forums, no spoiled ass brats looking for something beside their own sweat to make them better DJs. This thread reminds me of how much I miss those days. Yeh I know I'm just an old ass fart and I need to get with the times, but dam you young fellas could really learn a lot from old us old has been DJs about what's really important in the overall scheme of things.

You must be old as hell if you are thinking most of us can't remember 2 1200's , a mixer and vinyl. :) By the way, those are still available if you want to go back.

Is this a discussion about the overall scheme of things or ITCH and features.

Overall scheme of things: you're absolutely right- completely satisfied with everything in the world. :)

Old as sin my friend and still DJing strong at 58. And I still got my Techs. But please don't mind me, go ahead and continue with your childish rants. I actually find you guys kinda amusing.

That's not old my friend, that's wise.

Have a look at some of the old SSL forums, You probably have, but the meaning is they were pretty vocal about what they wanted and didn't want and it EVENTUALLY was implemented.

That was childish...I'm sure.

Have a look at the Torq or VDJ forums (older) and you will see they were childish as well.

Oh well, they got many of the features their childish forum members were "crying" about such as NS7 support for VDJ.

Hey if it works for you Cs, go for it. I still find it childish and funny. ;-) I gotta jump off this thread though. Original OP was way out of line on this one. That's my main gripe.

i dont care what anyone says, i feel very hurt by itch, but for different reasons.. i dont think they owe me anything. What i do think would of been appropriate would of been some form of a mission statement from serato in regards to what they have said, KEY word they have said.. will be coming out the bridge and 2.0, and im not asking for a date, im saying something like for all exsisting users of itch we are working hard on the bridge and a newer version of itch we thank you all for your commitment to itch and serato... just something small.. I totally get whats going on, it seems like no one else does. Serato got hit with a bunch of new controllers to make thier software work with, so we the customers who are already here have to take a seat and let serato work things out for everyone i get that, and am totally happy with that.. that just means they are going to be more comitted then ever to have itch kick assss.... But come on serato just a little hey guys we are still working hard on the bridge and a newer version of itch would be kinda cool and i feel a little classy.... would love to hear a serato guy respond to this... remember im not asking for any date....time...whats gonna be on the next release... just a little thanks guys and yes we are still working hard on things.....

+11111111111

Did you notice that everyone but Vestax put out a new controller?
Quite boys! They'll have something ready for Xmas!!! lol!

Hey! I've just found and interesting product from Vestax "The Pad One" it is due in spring!
Will they make something like this for Itch's Sampler? I guess will have to wait some more to find out!!! :))

"If this update cost it’ll be lamo, i’ve already paid to update traktor LE to traktor 3, then traktor 3 to traktor pro, gotta love serato for there free updates!"

A quote from one Traktor user!!! lol! Talking about the new Traktor with colored waves!

Something positive about our few updates! Can this lift our spirits? :))))))))))))))))

Didn't think so!

I still say interview serato staff and ask them where are the upgrades, itch users have been frustrated for a long time now, what's serato twitter name let's spam them till they tell us when upgrades are coming or let's just leave them, make this forum a ghost town and move to tractor or virtual Dj

brian,

i made a thread about this. I talked to the guys today. they read the forums, they hear us, theyre working on it and wont release it until its 100% right. software development and multi platform compatibility for multiple platforms (all the different controllers that support itch) is tricky, monotonous work and it takes time, lots and lots of qa testing internally, bug fixing, debugging, new compiles, more qa testing....

you get the idea. like i said in the thread I made about it. I never got the impression these guys were blowing me off, didnt take my questions seriously, or didnt care. they totally care and are working hard.

To parallel the video game industry a little bit, these guys just have a blizzard/valve philosophy about not releasing unfinished or unstable software.

so like blizzard and valve, the official release date of the next version is.........

when its done

Actually, we now have some new hints about the future ITCH developements:

1) VIDEO ON ITCH (from Pioneer video)
2) BRIDGE ON ITCH (from Pioneer video)
3) "something epic for ITCH" (Serato moderator, from this very topic)

If you guys want more features NOW, just sell your ITCH gear and go for SSL or NI S4, we'll welcome you back in March. Happy mixing.

Xtlanw, you forget 3D Realms and it's Duke Nukem Forever. whatever happened to that.

it's never a good idea to give indefinite time line, in my opinion.

I hope we learn some definite news.. at this point any news will be great. it's been 2 calendar years since the 2.0 tease.

i am sure complaining and spam wont help so go ahead make this forum a ghost town that actually might speed things up :)

I'm disappointed there was no Itch 2.0 release at NAMM. I

So far I've read:

- Be patient. Well for how long are users supposed to be patient. When is too long too long. 1 more year, 2 more years, 1 month, 6 months. The line be patient came and went a long time ago. Last time I heard that I was told "be patient NAMM is right around the corner". Does anyone know exactly what we are waiting for? Nope.

- The Dev team is working hard. SSL has more releases because it's an easier product to manage, Itch has multiple partners and two platforms. So what we are being told is, since it's harder for Serato then users must wait longer. uhhmmm, is this what we have to look forward to for future releases. This is no excuse. This is your platform you choose to develop Itch with...do not pass your headache on to the user.

- Serato has spent the last few months working on the new controllers. So far the only new feature i've seen is the skip/slip feature. So...we have two new controllers that don't do anything new. Not impressed.

- Get excited Itch is getting the video and the Bridge according to the video. Well no shit. That's been posted here already. When that's happening is the issue.

What is the roadmap for Itch and what timeline does Serato have internally to reach their goals. Right now the inability to deliver an update is a direct reflection on the products management. Telling users, "something is coming" has gotten old, and the response from the user community on this forum is obvious.

The few that continue to defend Itch, I commend you ----- but you guys are the same bunch that also mentioned to me to wait for NAMM.

+11111111111111111111

i heard virtualDJ is good...give it a try ;)

only time i said wait for namm was in reference to buying hardware.

i am enjoying how upset a whinny this board is getting cause a 'future' product hasnt been announced.
why so upset?
why so serious?
whats the big deal?
if serato were to say there will be no 2.0 then what will you be happy you have your answer

And I'm glad I didn't wait.

It's not about "MY" answer. I'm a happy camper with my S4......but if Serato would say that no 2.0 is coming then folks could move on and get the products that are looking for and not one that is supposed to come "in the future" or Q4 2015 at this rate.

So do you think users should not be upset that Winter NAMM is here and Serato has told them Itch is too hard for them to develop features in a timely manner.

that was mostly aimed at me.

haze, nobody is passing their headache on to the user. i mean if youre this unhappy about it, maybe this isnt the right platform for you. software development is what it is. it takes as long to fix as it does. nothing can change that. these guys were really cool about my concerns today. if you had the opportunity to talk to them face to face as I did. You'd be saying what I'm saying too. I'm 37 this month. Not like im some easilly duped kid. I can tell when someone's on the level. These guys are doing exactly what they say they are doing. Working on it until its right.

oh and fw37.... might want to watch this....

Watchwww.youtube.com

Gearbox Software (Borderlands) is finishing duke. It was playable at PAX 2010.

now thats entertainment --- thats how you read all that has been said ... ok that explains your perspective.

no no no no no

dont you dare go and start putting words in my mouth. that was just my explanation of how ALL software is developed and a simple analysis of the facts as they are easilly plucked off the web. as long winded as i can be with explanations. how you could not understand that with absolute clarity is beyond me.

the ONLY thing i got from them was that they hear us, and theyre totally working on it.

No way man, this wasn't aimed at you. I don't take or make any of this personal.

I hear ya man, I'm not a young kid either and I'm these guys are working their tails off but the bottom line is....NAMM is here and the updates are not. What this does is make users lose confidence in the product.

My remark about them saying it's too hard was from Glenn's response comparing SSL and Itch's devs team. So slow down turbo.

Bottom line is they didn't deliver at NAMM, folks are let down and still after a long time folks still don't have a clue when its getting delivered. If that's how Itch will be with all future updates.....well that sucks.

Definitely.

"Angry" is a better word than "unhappy", here.

Anger often comes as a way to protect a person's self-esteem; admitting I've made a mistake (i.e. a wrong buying decision) can have a catastrophic effect on my self-esteem, so I shift culpability to external factors (i.e. the company that makes the product).

That's exactly what we are seeing here. Those people act like the product was totally faulty or dangerous, whereas ITCH has tons of happy campers, who enjoy a stable, uncluttered, no-nonsense platform.

im off to bed. night guys.

DNF and gearbox finishing it is an example of a developer that kept delaying the release and re-doing the game every two years until, they were too late to realize they were in downward spiral. Having heard this "when it's done" line one too many times from the likes of John Romero and Broussard, I hate it when I hear that as explanation for delay or indefinite release schedule. I think the only guy who ever truly delivered with those lines uttered was John Carmac.

back to Serato topic, ITCH works as is just fine for me. My peeve is with prior 2.0 announcement that made it sound like we weren't just buying a static, single use product, but an ecosystem of controllers and evolving software kit. It looks HWs are there now. Time to buff up the SW.

Actually "childish" would be the word the majority of you should be using.

So many opinions and so many egos, fact is there are unsatisfied customers and what I know is an unsatisfied customer is bad for business, so what can be done to change that? That is the real question...

Oh BTW I'm 40 and my back is bad so going back to bringing massive crates of records is out of the question. So for the 58 year old, my wax and Technics are home safe and my kids get to enjoy picking records out and having a day of tunes during family time as I teach them the value of old and new.

True, but it also shows the high expectations of the users. Which means "Itch" is hot.

Very true... It means real demands and expectations should be filled in by the supplier.

Concluding they do a bad job? sorry. I like the way Serato handles it. You can have direct contact with them for any question, and they don't jeopardize 1 major fundamental of their software... "Stability".
The rest is "nice to have"

GM Angry Birds

Well all i can say is i too am upset that i paid 1300.00 for a controller that freezes when it wants too and doesn't offer internal efx like SSL. Smart Crates etc.


The NS7 does have great points over SSL, but the basics got missed IMHO.

it takes courage to tell somebody off and i commend DJFluke for doing it although it may be a bit harsh perhaps it will motivate Serato to tell us something about ITCH 2.0 which IF it is really in development has been in development for over a year.

LESSON: never announce something until you are prepared to at least go BETA with it.... now expectations have been built up....

LOL Good deal man. I did the same for my kids as well.

i havnt read ALL the posts but im firmly behind DJ FLUKE!!! i cant stand these soppy DJ's with no backbone or passion in their belly! in a nutshell, as far as i can tell, every other dj software is moving on leaps and bounds EXCEPT ITCH?!! what tha f*ck????? different if itch was the only programme Serato produced, BUT ITS NOT!! could someone do or is there a comparison chart of all the features scratchlive has got compared to itch?...THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION!! it's like your brother getting DOLCE & GABBANA and you CHARITY SHOP 2ND HANDS!! (charity shops you do a fantasic job!) he gets a brand new FERRARI and you get a 30 year old FIAT!!! WAT THA F*CK???!!!

i read someone say "if your un happy why stay with itch, move on?" BECAUSE THE NS7/VCI 300 ETC ONLY F'ING WORK WITH ITCH??!!!! so what? we got to dump tha whole lot & start again??? F*CK YOU MAN!!!!!! (LOOOOOOOOOL!!)

***STOP PRESS***I'm goin to make a PREDICTION....i think the upgrade to Itch will be announced when the Numark NS6 & the Pioneer DDJ S1 are released! it makes sense doesnt it???

why make two oustanding new machines on the back of some old out-of-date software??? nuf said!!!

+ 1

Pioneer users don't take this stuff so lightly. I mean the patience of a saint is one thing but WOW.

Believe me, when they get on here talking about ITCH, you will definitely see some changes quickly.

You're probably right on that prediction.

you right of course, the forget about people who been using ITCH since it came out

This I gotta see.......We will have more people Bangin the door.......lol

make sense

***STOP PRESS2***check this out!!!!!!!!!!!!listen to what they say at the END of the Pioneer DDJ S1 introduction!!!! woooooow!!! im getting excited!!!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

wat video?

press tha youtube view button!!

Who needs features like video and Ableton live in ITCH????? Remember we were told real DJ's that make money don't use those features or want them.

I'm sure Aeroplane would never incorporate such childish things into their sets.

LOL :)

Who needs features like video and Ableton live in ITCH????? Remember we were told real DJ's that make money don't use those features or want them.

I'm sure Aeroplane would never incorporate such childish things into their sets.

LOL :)

Who needs features like video and Ableton live in ITCH????? Remember we were told real DJ's that make money don't use those features or want them.

I'm sure Aeroplane would never incorporate such childish things into their sets.

LOL :)

Sorry, for some reason it posted triple.

And it's 3x true. Nice things to have, must-have for some kind of DJs, but definitely mot a "must" to become a successful, superstar DJ.

I'm a close friend with Benny Benassi (we live 2km distance), and he only plays 2 decks on SSL, using Pioneer DJM800 FX. Nothing else. It's the MUSIC that matters most.

Understood, but very nice addition.

Indeed. And boy they will come.

You know, I'm really busy enough using loops and FX on a 2 deck set-up, that all these Bridge and Video things would only cause distraction in my work flow.
Actually I don't need more at the moment. Gigged yesterday and I had a great vibe with the crowd... without all these bridge and video things...

In fact I never use some already available features, like the "Oh-so-hot-loop-roll-that-was-a-deal-breaking-demand" for a lot of forum users last year.
Seriously, I basically forget to use it... already busy enough with the rest.

I wonder if there are DJ's that use that loop roll effect often? Maybe there is, but it's just to illustrate, that sometimes, there are hypes on this forum of which the added value to "itch" is much less then it seems...

Ps: Dropsampler however... wink wink

There are some DJ's that use loop roll extensively and it definitely would be a deal breaker for them.
I use the spinning platters and not having them is a deal breaker for me.
No booth outs are a deal breaker for some.
Some Dj's never use FX and don't understand why some ever use them. While no effects are a deal breaker to others.

Most of us NEVER used loop rolls until the digital realm made it a possibility because we used a turntable and mixer only. I'm sure you did as well.
Now, you use Loop rolls, that may or may not be a deal breaker for you or others. I never use them..but definitely can incorporate them into a set.

my point is the pattern of "deal breaker". You will be surprised the number of people that use a feature even though you can't stand it or feel it's a total waste of time.

If i used a sampler extensively in my routines, am I overhyping my need or want for it, simply because you don't?

I and hopefully everyone on here understands that you can make money and rock the crowd with a simple radio or two turntables and mixer or a tape deck or with twine.

It still shouldn't diminish the fact that others find a particular feature invaluable to the way they intend to gig.

Maybe I express myself in wrong way here.
Actually I'm not denying the fact of the Loop Roll effect... I welcome it (just need to think about it during performance...)

Thing is: it's not included in a 1 on 1 mapping lay out for (most) of the controllers.
I'm a bit afraid that the Bridge/Video (and also actually the dropsampler) will cause us to use the keyboard again (or using combo's on the controllers which aren't that natural to use).
And then the only solution would be an extra controller (which I also fear, LOL ^^)

GOTCHA. Yeah extra controllers are a no no for me at this point. I'm really looking forward to something like the Ipad or tablet type units emulating most of the midi controllers, other than the ones we absolutely need for tactile feedback.

We still need some knobs, spinning platters (for some),crossfader and possibly upfaders , but some buttons, knobs and the like can be offloaded to an Ipad type device that has multiple screens of controls that control midi.

iPad control for ITCH would solve multiple problems...

I believe that iPad support it's on its way. the fact alone that Apple decided to incorporate midi support in iOS shows that there was a demand from big names in the industry.

Which would act as an extra controller ;-)

Is this the EPIC THING hinted by the Serato mod? Would be epic indeed.

If it is, I start wondering already where I'm going to put that thing during performance... :-S

... a tabbed app...

FX TAB: random access to individual FX, XY pad for wet-dry/modulation simultaneous access

SAMPLER TAB: access to dropsampler bank/on the fly sampling

VIDEO TAB: access to video controls

ABLETON TAB: access to Live's main parameters

LIBRARY TAB: choose the next song scrolling and picking cover art

X TAB: future add-ons...

:-)

Can't deny the fact of the unlimited possibilities, my friend ;-)

Also, the app could be a paid app. At $29.99 would be great bang for the bucks, while making sense from a business standpoint for the developer.

You beat me to it, was thinking it had to be tabbed to make it accessible to access screens. Maybe some type of swipe motion as well to change screens.

I really am not a big fan of the Ipad per se. I would rather have the controller support on an open platform like Android. It gives the user multiple vendors to choose as far as the tablet.

Yes, but we were saying it could possibly be the last extra controller you would physically have and it emulates other midi controllers on screen.
TouchOSC already allows you to control any midi capable device with the Ipad and now it's being ported to the Android OS.

Android is OK but iPad is the tablet standard for the foreseable future... an household is more likely to have an iPad than any other tablet, so from a developer prospective it just makes sense to develop for it.

Just like Windows in the '90s/2000's :)

I would happily pay for that.
Or the app price should be included in a dockingstation (which acts as the dongle like now the controllers are for itch)

... pushing imagination even further...

with more powerful iPads (approx gen.3) with bigger SSDs it would be very easy to dock them INTO the controller and get the Dream DJ Workstation we all be waiting for...

That's very true...at the moment and may remain that way for some time.

However, what's happening in that industry is Android OS has already eclipsed Apples IOS on more devices months ago. It is breaking industry records with the numer of applications being developed for the Android OS vs Apple IOS.

Google has come out with some fantastic OS enhancements and is the reason that Apple is coming out with their new Ipad so soon after Ipad was released.

The only reason I'm so hyped about the Google Android vs Apple competition is because my industry interfaces with both of them. We are seeing phenomenal sales and manufacturers lining up behing Google's OS.

Either way, an exciting development for us DJ's and musicians as far as the Midi future.

Djcerla, with your style of upfront Dj'ing the possibilites for creative control with something like an Ipad or Android based controller is unlimited.

your main gear + an endless upgradable Midi controller is the future.

Let's see how the landscape for Android will change now that Verizon has the iPhone.

They'll be shifting all of their advertising budget on iOS, pushing back Android, Blackberry.

And BTW Android is far from eclipsing iOS. Remember iOS is iPhone+iPad+iPod Touch. They're not even close.

Hopefully were talking about the same thing.

Yes, IOS is on the Iphone and Ipad (2 devices with many sales) , but realize that Android on on somwhere around 30 MAJOR device manufacturers. That includes smartphones and tablets.

Easy to see why the operating system ovetook both Rim and Apple in the industry....simple volume.
Also Android actually had more sales or subscribers that had choices between the Apple IOS and Google Android.

All that to say that Android is giving Apple healthy competition in the market that may appeal to us and open up a MUCH wider choice as far as midi developments.

Apple has the best marketing team in the world, so it's holding its own, but with giants like HP and the even more formidable Motorola in the tablet market, you may want to take a second look. If nothing else check out the Motorola Xoom tablet being released: Watchwww.youtube.com

Sorry to disagree, but Android has not overtaken iOS, by any means.

It's far, far behind, despite being supported by many manufacturers.

Not getting you here??

Ok, moving off that point...rather I'm right or wrong, was just to say that there are some other options as far as tablets to control midi.

Because of the popularity of the TWO major players, I can see controllers being used on them in the software format.

Yup... definitely ITCHing for my iPad tabbed app! :)

+1

I call on this one! I know this to be false!

really...?

u forgot 1.7 rather quickly

Personally I never had issues on Mac nor PC, so I've got only to remember that it works great.

What I mean by stability: Did you ever had a crash during performance? For me, Serato software (SSL and Itch) is the first that never did.

Drop outs are an issue for some of the users amongst us, but you'll find users with drop outs in every brand of DJ software.

i think he was refering to this conversation people get banned if they steadily insult other forum members

apparently they have gotten banned for fiery messages to Serato too...

I will post link if I find it..

I agree that Android is behind in development, not that far like you say! The only difference is the user interface! Whatever IOS does, Android Does! and soon Android will do it better, with those multi-core phones coming out!

Android surpassed IOS in market share in the USA. Android is activating 300,000 phones everyday! insane! Apple had to go to Verizon to keep up!

Android will be the Mobil Microsoft! no doubt about it!I

And this is coming from someone who hates Android: Me :)

Google ate Microsoft's lunch, and has already eaten half and Apple!

dont count out microsoft. windows phone 7 is selling like crazy and theyre picking up developers like nuts as well. best mobile developer support on the market and the best tools hands down.

approval process is stupidly easy and fast as well and the samsung focus is a damn good phone. tablets are also in the pipe.

sdk is c#, xna, and silverlight.

How many manufacturers uses android ? almost ten I think

And IOS ? one

So that help selling more phones lol... it's mathematics !!!

I'm not considering the quality of the both systems, just pointing out the situation..

No predictions here, just some facts:

1) WP7 is not "selling like crazy"; sales have been underwhelming so far
2) Apple can't build iPhones fast enough to meet demand
3) despite this, iOS is outselling Android: 366.000 sales a day vs 300.000 "activations" a day
4) the more carriers, the better for the plaftform: Android will take a massive hit in the US starting from February; VZ will shift the entire phone advertising budget to iPhone
5) Android app stores are a mess; there's no way for developers to get paid in most countries, there's no unified store, there is a huge platform fragmentation compared to iOS, resulting in inferior Android apps and user experience.
6) Google isn't making any money out of Android, whereas Apple ripes over 60% of the entire cellphone industry earnings (including budget phones)
7) iPhone and iPad are now widely embraced by businesses (80% of Fortune 500 companies are deploying or testing the iPad), whereas Android has almost NO presence in the sector

8) iOS installed base is huge compared to Android: 160M devices, 90% of them having iOS 4, whereas only 0.4% of Android installed base sports the latest Android version. Talk about fragmentation.

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cerla. you have a complete inability to look at things realistically.

if people dont agree with you 100% your threads generally turn into IM RIGHT YOUR WRONG.

by that post you just made, you just outed yourself as another one of those people that only want one answer.

SCREW YOU ALL EVERYONE IN THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY SHOULD QUIT LAWWWWWWLLLL AAPPLE RUUULLLZZ

congrats on being "that chick"

Can you factually reply to these points or are you just insulting a forum user based on hot air?

PS and there's no doubt in the fact that Apple rules.

7.3% wow. im impressed.

www.w3schools.com

thats actual browser statistics and currently the best statistic of actual computers being used. those numbers are from a completely independent body that certifies and maintains web standards.

so yeah. they rule. about 7.3%. which is down actually from november.

Browser statistics? So what?

Take a look at Apple's numbers released yesterday.

they arent from an independent body. if i posted numbers from canonical for ubuntu or for microsoft for windows. youd call me on it as being biased.

every analyst in the industry uses the w3schools numbers for a reason. Because they are actual computers, connected to the internet and being used.

but good try at trying to shoot down the one statistic every computer scientist and analyst points to as the one "realistic no bullshit" number.

and yes i saw their sales numbers, and guess what, they still arent going to break 8% this year. they've gone from 5% like 4 years ago to the 7th percentile in 4 years. with all their overhyped momentum.

want a real impressive number? as of june, windows 7 was averaging sales numbers in the neighborhood of 7 copies sold.....

per second...

blogs.computerworld.com

hate to break it to you, but windows 7 is the fastest selling operating system in history.

but good job on being ahead of linux by a little over 2 percent. and linux is free. and almost has apple's numbers.

hmm...

theres something to think about.

There's no doubt that Windows won the PC OS battle back in the 90s; also there's no doubt that W7 is a good, successful OS. MS business model won hands down the last century's challenge.

Unfortunately, the battle front has now moved on mobile, and MS lags behind; they have no tablet OS ready and won't have it for at least 1 year, also, WP7 isn't gaining much traction yet (check LG CEO comments).

As opposite, Google's competition is strong, and this must be looked as a positive, as it pushes Apple not to rest on their (golden) laurels.

are you talking about the same lg ceo that just said that wp7 sales were better than expected?

www.mobilejaw.com

im not saying they're blowing away ios or android numbers out just 2 months. but they're way better than anyone thought they would be.

and they'll continue to gain traction with this platform based on their developer tools for the platform alone. not to mention the best developer support program on the planet.

WP7 sales disappointed: www.pocket-lint.com

this is pure speculation

so 2 quotes from the same guy 7 days apart. the only logical thing to do is discount anything the guy says.

htc thought they were better than expected as well. ill let you google that yourself since you apparently think im completely full of shit because i dont agree with you.

go on.

ill wait.

BTW, Xtianw

we'll see in one year how things will develop... nobody has a crystal ball and the guessing game quickly becomes stupid and boring.

anyhow, I have put my $$ where my mouth is, investing in Apple, and it's been a wise decision so far.

wait untill Steve Jobs leaves or die, then you can't sell apple shares quick enough....

He just left.

... and trading on this news was gold.

I'd just like to say I'm still very happy with my VCI-300 and serato Itch, and have been for the past year. I'm looking forward to some updates / new features, but I am not holding my breath.

Haters gonna ... you know... hate!

i'm waiting to exhale

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS, i am really annoyed at the itch software its just not reliable, i really wish i didn't but my V7's With Itch, I'm just waiting for traktor to make something for them.

Think about it :

Traktor --> 8 years old (almost)
Itch --> 3 or 4 years old

Give it time to grow...

I wonder how many people out there who do not post here actually don't have problems. It's always about the problems never about the good things about ITCH. Personally I now have the attitude of if you don't like it well there's the door.

I like my world where ITCH does exactly what I need it to do and the controller I have and the ones coming do exactly what I need it / them to do. If they didn't I would of moved to something else or just not purchased it.

So got to Say Love ITCH, Love the Controllers and Love what their doing with the product.

i dont have a problem whatsoever.

great product, stable as hell, low cpu usage.

I <3 Itch =)

BTW, I Like itch the wy it is right now...

It does What my VCI can Do, so fine for me ;)

If I want more I use SSL with my other setup ;)

Sad fact is, this is true. Hell, I only JUST got upgraded to a broken-excuse of 2.1 from the manufacturer and I'm not rooted or using a custom ROM.



Truth.




Hmm... I question this one. I can't remember the EXACT name of the theory but I know it states that when one has a product out, if an expectation of a new product's release and/or announcement has taken hold, then the sales of a current product will inevitably fall in anticipation for this. Granted Apple's history with the iPhone / iPod Touch (and the propensity for adoption by many prior users who will drop for newer ones without hesitation), this is not an unreasonable thought process.



I'm not sure what you mean by unified store. As far as I know, there's the Android App Store which Google runs and that's it. Now you do have immense fragmentation of product availability due to the sheer number of firmware versions out there (which I honestly blame on lazy developers. 2.2's been out for well over a year and T-Mobile / Sprint has the gall to still sell phones running 1.5. I won't talk about Motorola's and Samsung's upgrade tendencies (non-existant)).



Such is the price of open-source but I doubt they're not making ANY money at all. Licensing alone for their Android platform (which is a registered trademark) must be what their revenue is generated from.



This is an indisputable truth.

There are no licensing fees whatsoever for Android.

Google claims they are in black, and that Android revenue comes "from ads"; however

1) they get ads money ads from EVERY platform not just Android, via admob
2) they have high engineering costs
3) they have HUGE lawsuits on Android (i.e. Java used with no permission) this will translate into massive legal costs/licensing fees (on a FREE OS!)

It came as a non-surprise to me that Eric Schmidt was kicked out as Google CEO yesterday. Trying to copy everything Apple is turning out to be a costly stratgy.

for clarity: this means that Google will actually LOSE money for every Android phone sold, as legal/licensing costs will fully kick in.

Did I miss the point where this turned from a Serato ITCH bashing thread to a whats better Apple or Google?

yeah just more iphone google apple android talk ----

Waiting on a ps3 - xbox - wii discussion now...

@kmx
nothing beats the commodore 64

Two turntable and mixer will be my next controllers. My vci fits my needs for certain thing but other times wish I was on some tables. So at this point Fuccc It....ch! lol now we back on target

F*** YOU! the ZX Spectrum kicks ass

I'm with djceria on this one ZX Spectrum all the way.

commadore 128
or amiga 2000

DOS.

LOOOOOOOL!!!! Now we had it all! :-DDDD

This reads like a fanboy post of Apple. Just the phrase " Eric Schmidt was kicked out" lends one to believe you have a huge Apple bias.

Oh....you do own Apple stock. That's great, but why the diligent efforts to push up Apple, while downing Google- here?

To most it doesn't matter the Apple vs Google OS debate. It only started because we mentioned that other tablets running Android would also increase the probability of midi based controllers.

it amazes me how on topic threads on the serato forums always are.

did you read the topic? what did you expect when you see that :)

I think Banana's are better than apples personally

@ Cs I have no position in Apple at the moment, just trading some ups and downs... Last 2 days have been FANTASTIC... big, big swings

And yes Schmidt was fired (without being officially fired of course). The tone of his tweet says it all. Despite a strong earnings announcement, the stock tumbled after the news (investors don't trust the founders business-wise)

LOL! android KICKS IOS ASS! I havent seen iOS4 yet soo I wont go %100 on the fact, but you cannot compare android to iOS. oh btw u apple guys just got a new kind of screw did you hear about it..

"For the iPhone and iPad the number one draw is ease of use. Your toddler and your grandmother (the one who is intimidated by computers) can both pick up one of these devices and figure out how to use it. As Jerry Pournelle says, with Apple products “everything is either very simple or it’s utterly impossible.” The utterly impossible side is where we find Apple’s first weak spot."

ETC...

www.zdnet.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

2/10/2011 Android carnage. Yes, you can't really compare.

You are obviously refering to Steve Jobs' medical leave. I guess this feels very good to you, for some reasons. Congratulations.

what are u using? You have reliability? well i'd love to hear this. I have so many issues on itch and yes i am using the right computer etc,I have even read every tweak from serato and numark and still problems?

honestly, seems like i read more issues from people with numark controllers than any other brand. maybe thats just my perception. but i see more v7 and ns7 guys complaining on here more than any other.

im running windows 7, 64 bit, i dont have a single thing turned off on my computer, i run aero, and i dont have a single issue whatsoever with 1.7.1 on my vci-300 mkII

running down at 2ms. not a hitch, not a glitch, and i never see my cpu over 25% with with stacked effects cranked in the middle of a mix.

The Numark Controllers also, generally speaking, require much more processing power than the other controllers.

That's because there are prob more V7/NS7 users then the other Itch controllers. Also if u really pay attention most of the complaints are the same guys repeating their issues in different threads. To be honest, the majority of threads & posts on the V7/NS7 are very positive. Often times I notice many DJs pipe in once to say they love it only to be never heard from again. ;-)

Cerla we all know you are an Apple Fan boy! But not everything Apple does is good!

Right now they are driving innovation because that is the only way the company can survive! They sell a lot of hardware and hardware can get old real quick! Unlike software! You can use the same software with different hardwares. Windows XP comes to mind! It is still selling!!!

I don't like Android at all! But they deserve a lot of respect! There is no doubt Apple see Google as a threat. And the fact that Android is growing so fast is a scary thing! Every way I look, there is an Android phone! BIG, small, $pen$ive and cheap!

Hey! Watch out for those Win7 phones man! I tried one out, and the OS is smooth and very responsive. The use interface is very Original. I was impressed!

Apple is not the only innovator, in reality their most successful products were created or invented by other companies. Apple just made and marketed them better! Nothing wrong with that! You can make an improvement over a product and still patent it.

I like and Respect Apple mainly because they came back from the dead! And they are leading a tech race like we've never seen before! On the other hand, I don't like their strategy and business philosophy. We all know why Microsoft won the PC race, they cut everybody a piece of the cake. I hope Apple don't make the same mistake twice!

Kanario I think a lot of their cheeze is coming from their App Store.
They just hit 10 BILLION app downloads. Granted some are free downloads but dam that is still a huge number which translate into huge profits.

Agreed. Some things Apple makes are good, others are just plain amazing :-)

Now seriously.

A 78% YOY revenue growth rate for a $300B company is something that never happened before in business history. Full stop.

So, while DJ Kanario doesn't like Apple's "strategy and business philosophy", I like it a lot, as a investor and Apple user since 1996.

apple makes some of the best mobile products on the market ill give them that. They make fantastic laptop batteries and they buy pretty nice displays to have foxconn assemble for them.

but their operating system is a mess.

the mach microkernel is the most back asswards kernel in all of desktop computing. Objective C is one of the most retarded development paths on the planet (am i using carbon now, am i using cocoa? both, sometimes, in some things and not others? why are there 3 redundent libraries for somethings, and not others? dont get me started on objective c).

macs arent even macs anymore, theyre bastardized next cubes for the most part. their render pipelines and tools are rediculous, and they design their platform to anihilate any possibility of gaming on the mac desktop by charging double price for video cards that were new 8 months prior and thats ONLY if you buy a mac pro. everyone else gets shitty underpowered laptop video chipsets. given that the pc gaming industry makes more than the movie industry now, i cant help but wonder why everyone in cupertino is so drugged out over pc multimedia entertainment.

pc gaming is what sells all the top of the line pc machines. not like people need that power to run word. imo this is the REAL reason why apple cant break 8% usage on the desktop.

you gotta admit, its pretty effing insulting to hear their answer is "you dont want to game like that on a pc, you should buy a console for that". im sorry, but i didnt give anyone permission to tell me when and where i want to use a piece of software.

they also refuse to let people customize their desktops. they ripped out all the tools that unsanity used to use to skin the desktop with shapeshifter. its their gui, their way. unless you want to void your warranty by replacing pieces of the os by hand (this DOES in fact void your warranty).

so yeah, the mobile market is making them a killing and they earned it, ill give them that. but that computing platform is destined to fail if they dont pull their heads out of their asses when it comes to kernel archetecture, hardware design that makes sense for the consumer (build consumer desktops that let you put in your own video card for gods sake), and let people customize their desktop the way they want to.

im just getting warmed up btw, was trobleshooting a modem with a flaky ethernet port for the last 3 hours.

still, Mac grows outpaces PC growth by a 8x factor.

*growth

*citation needed*

tech.fortune.cnn.com

enjoy

actually, 8x to businesses, 3x globally

and amazingly,

so in your perfect world, everyone will be using a computing platform with bad development tools, a terrible kernel, and no gaming.

just because it makes you stock money


*middle finger*

this is sadly already happening, as Windows has over 90% market share.

Youre on drugs. its official.

visual studio is better than xcode in every single possible way it could be. The windows 7 kernel is the best pre compiled kernels ever written, and i noticed you completely removed the gaming piece.

classy

apple growth might be up, but again, we've already established in another conversation that windows 7 is selling between 7 and 8 copies per second right now, kinect annihilated ipad's sales numbers.

microsoft isnt going anywhere, neither is their market share.

cry about it.

Still, Apple is worth $70B more than Microsoft.

And, no I am not on drugs. I've reported your post to moderators.

/facepalm

good luck with that

kinect sold over 8 millions, iPad 7.33 millions in holidays quarter, 14.5 millions total.

Now, "annihilation" in my book has a very different meaning; also, we'll see in 6 months or 1 year how many kinect vs iPad will be sold.

mark this: iPad and iPad2 combined will sell over 60M in 2011.

@Xtianw:
No need to get personal. Everyone has the right to make his point. djcerla has his own truth that he defends, you got yours. I respect both. I got also my own truth.
But I don't argue with quotes like "middle finger" or "you're on drugs" to someone personal.
In fact, If I read this one more time myself from any one here on this thread, I will report it also to the moderators, no matter who wrote it... (<= so I'm not referring to you only here.)

PS: iPad is a tablet (average selling price $625), kinect is a $150 game controller

so you're really comparing apples to... lemons :)

yeah thats really gonna fly when the title of the thread is what it is.

im done talking to cerla, hes simply not worth talking to.

when you run out of solid arguments, you try to trash the person you're talking to.

not a very good rhetoric strategy, but hey.

well, I like this forum, and even threads where someone ventilates his frustration must be possible as long as it doesn't get personal.

And about the PC - apple comparison. I like apple products and they do what they do. but for certain applications Windows is much better and/or cheaper.
I couldn't care less regarding the profits for apple go up or down, nor for windows or android or commodore 64... whatever...

+1

What about MacOS 7, or, for those with more recent memories, the Hockey Puck?

Just saying, mistakes do happen. :P\

Now, I do generally have my opinion on Apple products, but, for the demographic they target and the function they perform, they get the job done.

Definitely, Apple had blunders, too... for example, how they managed Antennagate PR, the half baked Ping social network, the white iphone 4 fiasco, iPad still crashing the wifi network when streaming music to AppleTV, some rough Steve Jobs emails.

But the rest of what they've achieved in the last 3 years is almost unbelievable.

djcerla, thanks for the HUGE Apple ad.

Some people already hit the nail on head when they titled you a "fanboy!.

Can we get back to topic now?

No ad, nor fanboy, does highlight blunders.

Hmmm.....to think this was supposedly started about the emergence of tablets as Midi controllers.

One comment that the Android market would open up the tablet market further and provide Midi based alternatives and ........were off to the races.

tech is the new football

Apparently.

LOL. Never looked at it from that point of view, but there sure is an analogy...

WHAT THE F@#k THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR APPLE OR GOOGLE! GET BACK ON THE TOPIC!
If all the itch users out there get on board and message their concerns about the software needing an update to make it more reliable then maybe they might actually do something about it.

I guess people are TIRED OF ASKING and need to talk about something else

Where the hell u been?
1. Concerns have been voiced and voiced and voiced.
2. They (Serato) are not sitting on their hands. They are at work doing something.
3. They never promised a date it would be pushed out.
4. The original poster was way out of line so I could care less if this thread transforms into something else.

yeah thats all it takes--- untill then serato wont release anything

Where the hell u been?
1. Concerns have been voiced and voiced and voiced.
2. They (Serato) are not sitting on their hands. They are at work doing something.
3. They never promised a date it would be pushed out.
4. The original poster was way out of line so I could care less if this thread transforms into something else.

And you know this how?
Do you work for Serato?
I can agree with the poster as i am a DJ and i go to gigs (as a JOB to get paid ) I use the itch software but it just has so many problems, Its very frustrating!
I have used traktor before and it was far more reliable.
I spent the big bucks on getting an awesome laptop dedicated to itch, But no still dramas.
I'm not asking for more effects or bells and whistles I'm just wanting a more stable reliable software that i can play live without having to worry about the next time its going to crash or glitch on me.

and it seems serato is working on your issues in the help section

Well i think after taking the hour to read thru this thread I can agree with people. I have a brand new macbook pro 15' core duo i7. Now I play in a club EVERY weekend infront of college students with my NS7 and I can say I've definately had freeze ups and drop outs. Now that being said I understand that this "new" software and bugs do need to be worked out. We're all adults (i assume) and we all know how to be patient However its not the correct approach to stonewall your users who are very loyal, i mean i almost laugh at the 3 guys i know that use Traktor, we would just like an update, something firm to sit on. Just a "shut up and wait" style never worked for anyone. We're not kids

i can honestly say in the years i used itch i had one freeze live period... had more needle issues with turntables :)

Me too! I mean I switched FROM SSL tired of seting up freakin turntables, grounding them, licking needles dusting the vinyls every 15 minutes .....Like i said I'll remain loyal to Serato, but the fanboys and moderators should take it down a notch and just realize there's a way better way to handle your customer base than "we'll do it when we do it"

hes likely referencing my posts, as well as posts of several serato employees (use the search function). my posts were after i had several conversations about itch with serato employees when I had breaks from the demos i was doing at the namm show.

hey do read the forums, the itch team is working on a ton of updates right now. they know what their users want, and they wont release it until its ready.

No, it was posted by a Serato Moderator a week ago. As far as being frustrated, I get that, but starting a thread on a company's forum telling them F-you is classless in my book. Many Itch users have posted their disdain over 2.0 not being released up to this point, and to some extent I understand, but this dood (OP) went way out of bounds. I for one will speak up for Serato because they have done to much good with their products for us DJs to treat them like this. They are not by any means perfect but a lot of us who work in IT and on dev teams can appreciate how hard they must be working. I'll be the first to admit that communication with your clientele is must and they have fell short on that, but not enough for that type of treatment.

What occurs to me is that Itch seems to be less stable on Mac with i-cores then on the previous dual cores.
reading all this posts, I notice that the older users (with older machines) do not complain, and the newer users (with i-core machines) do notice problems.
Am I the only one noticing this?

interesting

did u see the sticky post about disabling some video setting n macs?

yeah but that's not all... because my machine has this gpu, but in combination with a dual core. Itch 1.7.1 runs flawless...

It’s because of people like you, other people get walked on.Serato is great, but you think small time and have no business mind.

The whole point of the post was how serious is itch being taken? We all invested in a product and were promised things are coming. We also studied different products coupled with different hardware and made a decision based on the facts we were given then about the present and future, and have been largely mislead.

The fact that you said what you said makes me realise your some small time who cannot think outside the box. Your sucking up to Serato is pathetic. Look around you bro, read the issues and requests people are having/want. And all were asking is to chime on us that were listening. Now they've done it. But up until 2 weeks ago for 12-18 months it was silence. That’s when frustration happens.

To think large scale, when large companies need to purchase cell phones, do u think they go to best buy and consult with the rep there about what android does alongside bb and IOS? NO MAN! For months they beta test all phones with what it does now and what it will do tomorrow and if/once their internal infraststruture gets updated. It’s a study man. This is what itch was to me. It was a study between all platforms. Think large scale...You spent money, if you are completely satisfied with what you purchased, and then you shouldn’t be on the forum. If you are, then you’re looking for something, whether it be update fix or simply advice about the future.

When I compared this to buying a house I got laughed at. If you purchase anything in this world, but you don’t think of the value and support of this product tomorrow, then you’re a fool. We always need to think for tomorrow.

Anyway all good. Let’s keep waiting right? At least something has been announced.

@DJFLUKE: I understand your intention behind this. I would only rephrase it in certain area's of your post...^^
A lot of people also have future expectations of this product (and I assume you're one of them).
I only want to add, There are maybe people with a third kind of intention on this forum which you didn't mention.
People that also want to share their experiences (good or bad) with the other owners. Why? Because DJ'ing with controllers is relatively new (especially for professional users). This is actually my intention being here on this forum.

Point is: You're not wrong in your opinion, i guess. We did wait already a long time. On the other hand, I'm one of those members that try to master Itch (and the controllers) with the features that are already there. I can wait, I know new features are coming and I consider that as a bonus.
So basically, this thread is less relevant to people like me and then the way you express yourself is kinda..."explosive" (if you understand what I mean...)
Which can result in not understanding completely what you want to say or share with the community. Anyway I do understand it, and I hope a big feature-rich bonus update is coming to us as we speak...

All good bro. Good response.

I get where you're coming from and i did applogize a couple of hundred posts above.

I know, no harm done... I hope you still can enjoy what's already there, and I hope you don't have to wait too long (anymore) for the features you're looking forward to... ;-)

One thing I'm certain of is that ITCH is one of the best DJ software out there. I have used them all (except Traktor), and Itch 95% of the time works great to mix two songs.

Many like this concept and will be satisfied if development stopped right now on ITCH.

If you look back to see when people started venting their frustration, you will see this is a VERY recent occurrence and NO coincidence that it took place around SEVERAL MAJOR updates and Feature adds to SSL......While giving us BEATGRIDS????? It also compounded after the lack of communication and disappointing announcement of ANYTHING REMOTELY TO DO WITH EXISTING ITCH USER BASE.

Sure, if you work for Serato, adding several major manufacturers to your software profile is a big win. What it does for those patiently waiting and loyal because of our purchase has yet to be seen.

Now don't get me wrong, the ONLY reason I know anything about this forum and joined it is because my controller of choice came with ITCH.

I had NO idea what ITCH was and could care less about it, as opposed to getting the NUMARK controller that was supposed to be compatible with OTHER DJ software.

I was slightly disappointed that NUMARK marketed the product that way, when they actually DIDN'T have other supported software in place.

Oh well....the controller was so phenomenal, it completely overrode my objections and NUMARK did correct that by working with VDJ to get it incorporated natively.

I was just as outspoken with VDJ to please support the NS7 and give an alternative to this software that came with the NS7.

DJ Quartz, DJ Esco and many other were very active on the VDJ forums pushing for NS7 inclusion. This did happen is short time because of the user base.

VDJ did not do us a favor, did not have the best intent of the individual DJ in heart or freely decide to support the NS7 and other controllers. It is only a BUSINESS decision taken with the volume of requests and defections away from their previous software.

Serato is not doing us a favor and they are not asking you to please be their PR person...if that was their concern, then they would speak up on their OWN FORUM.

Serato, like any other great company, responds to a large base of users who PAID them money to develop a product and to upgrade or add to that product to keep their business model working.

If the users start attracting attention from major websites or industry magazines because of the lack of communication, updates, features, etc...then you can bet sweet sally that a change will be a coming.

Soooo....just sitting around on your laurels and hoping that a company will include ANYTHING without prompting, complaints, requests and bad press, is an exercise in futility.

It is good to see that others who so vehemently challenged even our right to be heard on this issue at least now understand the argument.

It is only because of our passion to see an incredible piece of programming called ITCH continue to be the best in the industry for controllers.

true but the original post on this thread was more of an 'f u' cause you wont tell me when an update is coming

DJ C

I owe you a beer.

This is for DJ Cerla:

www.engadget.com

Everything Apple make is good and fantastic? Let me just start with the Mouse. Even today the Mouse is so uncomfortable!

What is the reason we have not seen any improvement in the comfort department since that stupid hockey puck! And you call that a blunder! I bet you when another company make a similar BLUNDER you call it a DEBACLE!

I think when xtianw said something about drugs, he meant Apple is drugging people with their marketing! In a fair comparison with similar products, (not the 500 dollars Pc notebooks that guys in this forum compare to their Mac books pros) Macs don't look that superior! Aesthetically YES!

I said I don't like Apple's strategy, talking software! I like and Support Open Source & Free!
Apple always want to dictate how you use their products. "Do not Modify"! It's their way or Hellway! and that is the main reason when they about to take over the world, they fail! Case in point: Android vs IOS! Windows vs Mac. Always first in innovation, finish second in the race!!

Are you aware that, despite owning about 4.3% of the cellphone market, Apple grabs 51% of the profits of the WHOLE sector? Are you aware that Apple, despite owning about 5% of the PC market, grabs about 90% sales of the most lucrative >$1000 sector where it choose to compete? Are you aware that Apple sold as many as 14.5M tablets in 9 months (something MS tried and failed for 10 years), at $625 ASP? Are you aware that Apple is the n 1 consumer of RAM in the world, and soon LCD screens, ARM processors? Are you aware that Apple has $59B cash, enough to buy Dell 2 times in pocket money?

You may like or hate Apple, but the company is run in an amazing way business-wise; it's a money machine, and will remain so for the foreseeable future. "Finish second" and eat everyone's else lunch is a very wise choice if you ask me.

This doesn't mean their products are necessarily the best option for every consumer, or the best bang for the bucks, or anything else. But there's much to like in Apple, and being an American company you should be proud of it

cerla dont make me pee on my pants. what does marketing have to do with real quality?

u can be a rich fart and still be rotten in the core. I actually dont like Apple because they make it so much about the money and status and market heavily and their products are being made with forced and child labor.

on the contrary i like companies that take it slow with stuff and make innovation. apple didnt invent the tablet or the app store. other companies did. apple just marketed (which u can market bubble gum for all i care) and combined it with sense of "Style" and status which many people buy. thats it. the app store.. hmm how many apps do u really think are actually NECESSARY or even useful.. dont get me wrong i dont think the iphone is all that bad but u cant ASK me to like apple because its a USA company GTFO.

I've never "asked you to like Apple" but said Americans should be proud of such a successful American company.

On innovation, our points of view are too different, so arguing is futile.

On quality, I can speak about my personal experience (very happy customer since 1996) or, better, report you that the customer satisfaction rate for Apple products is the n.1 by far in every sector Apple choose to compete. Pick one.

Again, I'm not saying their stuff is the best period. It may be the best for my needs, the worst for yours, so you're perfectly right when you look somewhere else. But there are no doubts that right now Apple is an incredible success story.

Apple Products

Manufactured in the US, Assembled in China.

Absolute disgrace

well, everything is produced in china, except Belgian beer. ;-)

it's still an American Company which uses the world workshop, China, like many others ;)

And the Scratch Live hardware ;)

Yup.

i thought about continuing with this conversation. but i decided punching as hard as i can myself in the crotch would be way more fun.

It's a waste of time arguing with someone who is too stubborn to realize.

and waffles

and vegemite

Hey, fellas, how 'bout this? Everyone who has a problem with the length of time Serato takes to update, them not telling anyone when and pushing back dates, etc. , put all your Serato gear on ebay, and switch to some other dj software and leave the rest of us who don't have a problem with it here to continue posting and helping each other. I don't recall Serato having a gun to anyones head, forcing them to use Serato and it's hardware. Is anyone aware of the amount of time and effort that goes into a software update and adding new features etc. , and for free ? This is for all the programmers at Serato: i1138.photobucket.com . Good Job.

Oh! And the tech guys that have to put up with this. Good job fellas .

you give me hope sir

This is no place for barbers! We DJs!!!

Joke!

Cerlaaaaaa!!! Are you aware that it is impossible to have an *objective* argument with you!

Dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings!

Are you aware that you first said they sell more phones and now faced with the real facts, you produced a new tune: "Apple make more profits"! As a result it is the top 3 download in Itunes!

Are you aware that, if you were an Apple employee, would have earned employee of the month since 1996!!!

Are you aware that you are too competitive for an European! lol! Take a chill pill man, we're having fun, this is entertaining! never personal!!!

Peace out!

I thought from a hardware standpoint they do sell more phones. If not, what phone is out selling them? Someone please educate me. Thx...

@ Kanario

I've never said "they sell more phones", I've said "iOS outsells Android", which is comparing apples to apples, because Android, like iOS, is a platform, not a phone.

FYI the best selling phone in the US is Apple iPhone.

@ nik39 you keep offending on a personal basis, knowing that you have no arguments. Very poor.

Definitely true, and by a large margin.

But fandroids like to compare an ecosystem's (android) numbers to the sales of a single phone (actually, 3GS + iP4 combined). Here are the sales data for last quarter:

iOS: 16.5M iPhones + 7.33M iPads + 9M iPod Touch + 2M AppleTV = 34.83M
Android: 32M devices combined

And watch what will happen to Android sales in the US starting from Feb, 10th.

I can't remember talking to you. Want to elaborate?


Are you talking about yourself or me?

Yes. If not, please elaborate about who was the recipient of your stubborn comment.

thanks to my mild dislexia every time i read the title of this thread i think to myself "no man, thats totally not my thing."

djcerla, to answer your question: It's a general statement which it is valid for everyone making fanboyish comments, showing no sense of objectivity.

Your turn: Where don't I have no arguments?

OK so you were obviously NOT refering to my statements, as all the data I've reported are publicly available, and I was very careful not to flame in any manner this time. So, sorry for that.

How can I disagree with someone stating pure facts like these:

cerla. i mean this in the nicest way possible.

really i think you aught to just resign yourself to "i dont agree with anyone that doesnt use an apple product. period" and leave it at that.

really, i moved on, like 4 others in this thread moved on. to be honest. its getting kinda creepy dude.

this thread should have died days ago. i mean, its from namm.....

@ nik39 You like extrapolating snippets from a conversation, isolating them from context, not nice but ok. However, in the most recent posts I have exploded the "rules" comment in more analytic items, so if you like to politely discuss about it, you're welcome.

@ Xtianw I feel the same but unfortunately I was taken back personally into this by a forum user; I only replied with numbers this time, so if anyone wants to discuss facts, rather than FUD, it's ok for me.

C'mon, you seem to find *excuses* for *any* valid argument. Some call this stubborn and not being objective.

It's a waste of time.

For example?

seriously?

if i have to goatse this thread, ill do it for the greater good to get it locked if i have to.

take it to pm's guys.

I agree with you and with nik39 on his last sentence. Off to studio now, this topic is now closed for me.

I will just point out *one* because you djcerla already ruined this thread (thanks for that) by going faaaar offtopic with this crap Apple-iz-teh-über-best-talk :


It's fine to count all iPhones (3GS, 4G bla bla).
But - you're counting the iPad, AppleTV, the iPod Touch against 32M Android [blink]PHONES[/blink]?

Who are you trying to fool?

I will just point out *one* because you djcerla already ruined this thread (thanks for that) by going faaaar offtopic with this crap Apple-iz-teh-über-best-talk :


It's fine to count all iPhones (3GS, 4G bla bla).
But - you're counting the iPad, AppleTV, the iPod Touch against 32M Android [blink]PHONES[/blink]?

Who are you trying to fool?

Discussion moved to PM.

@Djcerla You just shown the forum How much you love Apple by Jacking this thread.

let it go guys.

i resigned myself to this.

i dont care what computers people use. so long as theyre smart enough to run software on it that was made by Serato Audio Research.

Lets just leave it at that.