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What happened with the mixars primo

Telony Ex 12:57 AM - 23 August, 2017
This was a very ambitious sdj controller to take the mid range market. Had all the standard whistles and bells. Since pioneer ducked out of the game to focus on their own software. This was definitely a controller i myself was looking forward to to replace my sx 2 with. In a sense it is pretty much the same thing. Just smaller. Cheaper and the mic input and effects were a seller for me.

Have not actually seen a workinh model of this no where on the web. Hmmmmm. Interesting. Been over a year now sinced it was announced
DJ Tecniq 3:12 AM - 23 August, 2017
They pushed the date back I think it's coming late September. I was thinking of this controller too but I'm prob getting the Denon MC7000 instead.
DJ Tecniq 3:15 AM - 23 August, 2017
Actually PSSL says Oct 7th
www.pssl.com
DJ Tecniq 3:17 AM - 23 August, 2017
Odd PSSL says Oct 2nd but Agiprodj says Oct 27th.
DJ Tecniq 3:19 AM - 23 August, 2017
And Idjnow says Expected August 2017 lol...who knows
www.idjnow.com
577er 7:09 PM - 23 August, 2017
This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
DJ Tecniq 12:01 AM - 24 August, 2017
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This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
Good point I was considering the Roland 505 as well but that small pitch slider concerns me.
577er 2:34 AM - 24 August, 2017
The small pitch sliders are not ideal but at least they are to the right of the decks unlike some other controllers. I always look at the screen when matching tempo in serato so it's not like a turntable or CDJ with a stubby pitch slider. That would be a non starter. The Primo's combo mic input is also better but the drum machine is just cool and you get the Serato software bundle with the 505. My real gripe is that the 505 is larger than the Primo which looks super portable.
DJ Tecniq 3:02 AM - 24 August, 2017
I will agree the Primo seems like a very lightweight option for mobile uses and added DVS is just really what I've been looking for. However the beatpad on the 505 would be really sick too for making remixes or redrums...tough choice.
DJ Tecniq 4:55 PM - 29 November, 2017
Crazy this controller still hasn’t hit the market yet. So far I’ve heard early Jan 2018. Sucks. It actually has more features for a 2 ch controller w/DVS. The jogwheel LED indicator will prob be the big seller.
Ollie 7:08 PM - 7 December, 2017
Still waiting on this controller. Probably my "be all, end all" once i get it. I'm a gear whore but
it's an expensive habit. What's going on Mixars?
dj_soo 6:47 AM - 30 December, 2017
Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
DJ Tecniq 11:35 AM - 30 December, 2017
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Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
I’m so with you on that i wanted the Primo but couldn’t wait a lifetime. I’m super disappointed in Mixars they put out that 4 ch Quatro before a 2 ch controller it’s kinda fucking ridiculous. I’m hearing it’s shipping out early next year but nothing has been confirmed from their rep. If it’s a total fail I’m going to laugh my ass off.
dj_soo 12:18 PM - 30 December, 2017
have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
DJ Tecniq 9:14 PM - 30 December, 2017
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have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
I think the sound quality has improved i have the SB2 and have used the old SR. What i didn’t like about the SR it only had the usb connection and it made a slight buzzing sound when connected. The SR2 however is completely silent. I love that the SR2 has the xlr outs but even with rca connection i think it sounds great. The one gripe i do have of the SR2 is the small pitch sliders cause if you’re at 16+ pitch speed it gets difficult to match bpm. This is not a problem when it’s at 8+. It’s hard to explain but because it’s not a full pitch fader you have to really tweak the pitch to match up the bpms day if you’re at 101bpm the opposite deck will skip 101bpm or won’t let you get to 101bpm so you have to adjust the playing deck to another bpm number like 102 and then try to get the other deck to match up to 102. It’s just more fiddling you have to do when it’s not a full pitch slider.
DJ Tecniq 9:17 PM - 30 December, 2017
Day = say*
dj_soo 7:27 AM - 31 December, 2017
I just copped an SR2 today and have been messing about with it the last couple hours.

It's... ok.

There's a lot I like about it, but also a whole lot I don't like about it. I may return it and try out the 505 - guess I have a month to decide and by then, maybe the primo will actually come out.

So far, the Primo is still the one I want, but I can't be waiting around forever since my VCI 380 is about to go...
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 25 January, 2018
So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
DJ Tecniq 9:02 PM - 25 January, 2018
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So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
Crazy dude! I had a feeling something just wasn’t right. A company like that doesn’t just shut their website down. Very shady.
DJ Tecniq 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
I was really hoping to see the Primo in action i think it was just a proto-type they showed last year at NAMM. What a joke!
dj_soo 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
DJ Tecniq 9:04 PM - 25 January, 2018
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well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
That’s very possible. Maybe inMusic lol.
dj_soo 9:16 PM - 25 January, 2018
I can't see that InMusic happening honestly - they have all their bases covered at this point.

Numark for their entry level/controllers, Denon for their high end club stuff, Rane for the high end scratch/hip hop crowd.

But who knows, the Quatro looked cool even if I would never get it. I was just hoping for that Primo to fill the niche of the Vestax controllers that no one has stepped up to fill. A higer end, 2 channel, fully featured, but compact controller. Everything else on the market is either too big or has too many compromises in design.
JDfunky 5:01 AM - 4 March, 2018
Man I was waiting for that Mixars Primo to replace my ageing Vestax VCI-380 (which I have loved).. so if Mixars is dead, what are my best options guys?

Don't care about price, happy to pay a premium since it's such a vital piece of kit.

Roland 505 has a drum machine which I don't need, but is it better than anything else, DDJ-SR2, Denon MC4000?
dj_soo 5:10 AM - 4 March, 2018
SR2 I think has overall more functionality as a strict DJ controller (i.e. ignoring the drum machine) and has better build quality, but 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.

Both are big tho.

MC4000 seems really limited in functionality - no DVS, only 4 cue buttons per side, need to pay for the Serato DJ license, but the price is nice.
JDfunky 6:11 AM - 4 March, 2018
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.. 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.
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505 sounds better? wow that's saying something if it's a noticeable difference..
dj_soo 6:12 AM - 4 March, 2018
you can hear it if you play them side by side. I think for the average person, they won't really hear a major difference, but when I a/b'd the SR2 and various other controllers and mixers, it was one of the weakest sounding ones of the lot.
GC-Intl 2:04 PM - 18 June, 2018
Hi folks, i just received the message from MIXARS today:
[...]

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
HellNegative1 3:42 PM - 18 June, 2018
I think Mixars shot themselves in the foot with the Quattro. It is clearly laid out as a DVS friendly 4 channel mixer, but the faders they decided to use kill the hopes of a lot of potential buyers.

I was someone who ignored that part of the reviews and purchased the Quattro anyway. I sent it back shortly after due to those faders just not meeting my expectations at all. As a Duo owner, I expected a lot more out of the quattro than what I got.


On a side note, I absolutely adore my duo.
DJ Tecniq 6:58 PM - 18 June, 2018
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Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
This is very interesting but when it’s released i think I’ll hold off. I love my SR2 but it is lacking full pitch fader and led indicators for the jogwheels. And yes they did shoot themselves in the foot they released a 4 ch mixer when 2 ch controllers w/DVS were just in the market. They had more to offer from their end of the 2 Ch controller market and they missed that mark they could of been the best company to put out a 2 ch controller w/led indication. Too bad they are way overdue.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 18 June, 2018
And honestly after all the hype and let down i may not even purchase it anymore cause of the huge delay. I bet it won’t be officially released till the end of the year...
Telony Ex 1:04 AM - 21 June, 2018
Ggod lick with that. I believe only reason we were so hyped about it was when we thought pioneer was done with serato. Since thats not the case. Hmmm. Mixars u better step up. Primo needs and update and its not even out yet
dj_soo 3:01 AM - 21 June, 2018
nah, the primo is still what I want in a controller. I bought and returned the SR2, been working with a 505 for the last few months and neither do it for me. They're both too big and have some dealbreakers for me.

I want something compact but pro with all the amenities of the bigger controllers - multiple, professional outputs, fully featured, proper build quality, DVS compatible, etc.

This is the spiritual successor to the VCI-380 a lot of DJs have been waiting for.

Only thing it's missing is tension adjustable jog wheels and a platter indicator (which hopefully will make it into the final release if it ever happens). I still don't understand how a company like Hercules can put jog wheel indicators on their shitty controllers yet pioneer won't on their highest end 2 channel controller.
JDfunky 3:57 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with @dj_soo. The Primo is what I'd like as a replacement for my ageing VCI-380.
DJ Tecniq 4:46 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with all of you but here’s my concern this will be the first controller Mixars has put out. I just hope if when it is released that the jogwheels are comfortable and work accordingly and i actually like them. The main seller here for me is the full pitch fader and the led on the jogwheels. Don’t get me wrong i still love the SR2 and it’s pitch play key shifting ability I’m not certain if the Mixars unit has those features and i hope the mic preamp is better than the Pioneer I also love that it has a xfader curve. Regardless I’m interested to see what others say I’m gonna wait till it is reviewed to make my decision. And if it sounds like a winner I’ll just sell my SR2 for $600 bucks. Guess we wait till we hear an update on release.
dj_soo 10:08 AM - 21 June, 2018
There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.
Aptidda 11:24 PM - 21 June, 2018
The Mixars Primo was a failed concept that did not gain any attention or interest in the Marketplace. As soon as Mixars found out what Rane had up their sleeve, those suckers threw in the towel and ran off like bitches.
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dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
The more you if more him, the less he derails any threads.
dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
*ignore
Mr. Goodkat 8:34 AM - 22 June, 2018
not true
HellNegative1 2:00 PM - 22 June, 2018
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not true


Agreed.
Aptidda 4:42 PM - 22 June, 2018
ya theres no stopping me. Rane Troll out....
DJ Tecniq 6:17 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂
DJ Tecniq 6:18 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixars*
GC-Intl 6:50 AM - 19 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
DJ Tecniq 2:27 AM - 20 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
Maybe that was their plan all along to wait till Xmas. Smart move actually just odd I’ve seen nothing on any online stores about when it arrives.
dj_soo 12:48 PM - 20 September, 2018
I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 20 September, 2018
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I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
Very possible I’m hoping we’ll be able to disable the strip search when a song is playing that’s what’s really cool about the SR2 you can use the strip search still as long as the song is paused and scan through it. Cause I’ve hit the strip search many times on accident while playing a song.
dj_soo 2:31 AM - 21 September, 2018
I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
DJ Tecniq 4:26 AM - 21 September, 2018
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I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
I think you’re right cause it’s a setting options in SDJ I believe that’s how i found it but couldn’t remember.
König Balthasar 12:48 PM - 14 November, 2018
Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.
GC-Intl 1:06 PM - 14 November, 2018
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Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.


we cant say how the mixars primo sounds, cuz none of us tried due its not released yet.

greetz
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 14 November, 2018
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- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
Yes I believe it does SR1 is very muddy sounding compared to the SR2

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- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
Yes higher output and controller led’s are much brighter

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- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
Have not compared the two yet. Most seem to think so

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- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?
Mixars has not been released nor tested to confirm that

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Thank you all for the discussions.
You’re welcome!
dj_soo 7:18 PM - 14 November, 2018
I didn't like the sound quality of the SR2, but it being externally powered will at least give it some more headroom.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 PM - 15 November, 2018
how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
DJ Tecniq 6:51 PM - 15 November, 2018
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how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
Honestly think it’s discontinued already. I don’t know what Mixars motive is anymore. The rumor i heard was RCF who owns Mixars was selling off all their stock.
Serato, Moderator
Michael R 10:03 PM - 15 November, 2018
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Honestly think it’s discontinued already.

The Mixars QUATTRO is still in production :)
jprime 10:20 PM - 15 November, 2018
I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
DJ Tecniq 4:01 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.

i was thinking about using my mc7000 w my tech12s how is it distance wise do you even notice it
jprime 5:57 PM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.


How are you liking the SR2? I have a couple of questions if you don't mind - How is the stock fader for scratching and how does the unit sound?
dj_soo 7:59 PM - 16 November, 2018
Fader is ok - you can adjust the cut lag on the controller via the utility mode. It’s not a magvel or anything.

Sound quality wise, I personally wasn’t impressed. It’s adequate at best with your typical pioneee bump in the highs and a thin low end.

The vinyl preamps sound like shit tho - likely the same problematic preamps they put into the Interface 2 and the djm 250 mk2 that people have been complaining about.
wingcomm 5:09 AM - 13 December, 2018
It looks like the Primo will be available soon since its supported in Serato 2.1?
DJ Nin 4:16 PM - 13 December, 2018
Yeah, I would assume that's the case. I'm definitely interested.

Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...

What up Mixars?
jprime 5:05 PM - 13 December, 2018
Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Nin 5:46 PM - 13 December, 2018
^ Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...What up Mixars?
Same here. It didn’t seem as if the Mixars Primo had LED jogwheel indication just looks similar to the SR2 except full pitch slider and other features. Wish someone could confirm if it has pitch play ability cause it’s not mentioned in the description. The SR2 is Awesome but working without a full 100mm pitch slider is a pain.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
Well I’m sold and will prob sell my SR2. Just can’t wait to see some demo videos finally.
cosmicbaggy 7:30 PM - 14 December, 2018
Possibly swap out my dj505 if this proves worthy.
jprime 7:44 PM - 14 December, 2018
I'm in. Let's go Mixars.
Gio Alex 9:48 PM - 14 December, 2018
According to B&H

www.bhphotovideo.com

Expected availability: End of Dec 2018
dj_soo 10:10 PM - 14 December, 2018
almost feels like releasing a year late may actually help them in the long run. If it had released last year like it was supposed, the hype would have been immediately stolen by the release of the SR2. I recall a similar thing happened with the VCI-380. It released and a few months later, Pioneer announced the SX which totally killed the hype for the 380.
Gio Alex 10:13 PM - 14 December, 2018
True^^

This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.
dj_soo 11:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
There are only 2, 2 channel DVS capable controllers available right now - the sr2 and the 505 (which has a myriad of problems).

Most see the primo as the spiritual successor to the 380 which is something I’ve been wanting for a long time now.
dj_soo 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"


This could just mean that the ring changes color when you touch the platter. I’ll wait for a proper demo to see if it’s an actual indicator.
Gio Alex 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
I haven't had any issues with my SR2 (knock on wood)
DJ Tecniq 2:34 AM - 15 December, 2018
I just hope the Primo has a better mic preamp than the SR2. The Preamp in the SR2 is such a piece of shit like most Pioneer controllers.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 15 December, 2018
I gotta say, I had almost forgotten about the primo and chalked it up to being vaporware, but reading the manual has gotten me pretty hyped. Functionality-wise, it's almost everything I've been waiting for in a controller.

I hope they don't fuck it up.
577er 5:07 AM - 15 December, 2018
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I hope they don't fuck it up.


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deejayfatcat 1:09 PM - 15 December, 2018
I’ve almost bought a 380 a few times in the last year. Glad to hear this is going to come out.
JDfunky 4:42 AM - 16 December, 2018
Gio Alex 9:16 PM - 16 December, 2018
What’s the big deal about the primo? Why’s everyone so hyped on it.
dj_soo 9:48 PM - 16 December, 2018
It’s a smaller sized fully featured controller that’s comparable to the old VCI 380 - with features that aren’t really available in anything but the larger 4 channel ones - long pitch faders, DVS capable, split cue, hardware filter effects

I personally don’t want a controller even the size of an sr2
Gio Alex 10:17 PM - 16 December, 2018
I mean don’t get me wrong... I’m not super stoked on the size of the SR2 either but the mixars joint looks toyish imo
JDfunky 12:21 AM - 17 December, 2018
@Gio Alex: Reviews have said that the Mixars unit is solid and the sound quality excellent. That's what I am mainly looking for to replace my ageing VCI-380.
dj_soo 12:32 AM - 17 December, 2018
All controllers look toying to me
Gio Alex 1:11 AM - 17 December, 2018
True
DJ Nin 2:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
I just want a solid, reliable controller that has good sound quality and good jog wheels (indicator is a must), along with all the smooth software integration that's standard on most controllers.

I have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.

I recently bought a Roland 808 but had to return it due to jog wheel & play button issues that I experienced straight out of the box.

Don't really have any interest in any of the Numark or Denon controllers.

SZ is too big.

So I'm hoping the Primo is the one. I own a Mixars Duo, which I love, so that gives me a little bit of faith in Mixars as a brand.
Gio Alex 2:57 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?
DJ Nin 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.
JDfunky 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?
Gio Alex 3:06 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.
DJ Nin 3:07 PM - 17 December, 2018
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@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?


For sure.
DJ Nin 3:16 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.
Gio Alex 3:22 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
DJ Nin 3:31 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.


Touche.
DJ Tecniq 3:37 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
Agreed. My Pioneer S9 sounds much cleaner than my SR2. But it’s not really a fair comparison it’s a mixer vs a controller. Maybe the preamp is better.
Gio Alex 3:42 PM - 17 December, 2018
It's unfortunate that sound quality is compromised across the tier of Pioneer controllers. I get separating features between models, e.g. ins/outs and so on btwn the more expensive models, but sound quality should not be a thing they mess with. All should have the same sound quality.
Logisticalstyles 3:48 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.
Gio Alex 3:49 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.


I would say mixer, not controller.
Logisticalstyles 4:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
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I would say mixer, not controller.

Nope, it's a controller. It won't work unless it's connected to a laptop running the software. Even Serato refers to it as a compact controller. That's why I said technically. People view it as a mixer since it has no jog wheels but it's 100% controller.

serato.com
cosmicbaggy 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?


I offloaded the SX2 because the sound was awful and accentuation was way to hot and replaced with the DJ505 but also had issued with the play button. I've recently had this serviced by Roland but this has certainly tainted my views in that if the reports of the Primo being both good in sound and reliability I'd look to shift the 505 also.

I've still got a Vestax VCI-400 of which I've hammered and not had one issue in all the year's I've had it...
Gio Alex 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
To me, if that shit aint got convenient buttons, fx, knobs, jogwheels and the whole nine, I don't consider it a controller, But I get your point about technically though. But you do also get what we mean by most compact controller with DVS. Like a fully controller that's compact with DVS features. I bought the SR2 for this reason.
jprime 5:39 PM - 17 December, 2018
Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
DJ Tecniq 6:41 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
+1 I’m anxious to see this thing demo’ed I’m quite surprised Mixars has not even released a demo yet looks like the unit was scheduled for realease around Christmas but won’t yet ship until January. I just wish they put out a statement from their team. There has been so much hype about this controller and not a single demo of its features yet or of it “in use”.
DJ Nin 6:59 PM - 17 December, 2018
After purchasing a dud version of the 808, if the Primo isn't legit I'm gonna fall into DJ controller depression, and will be going the Rahzel route at my gigs moving forward.
Mr. Goodkat 8:00 PM - 17 December, 2018
i just dont understand why ppl keep buying controllers if they sound terrible. how much room could 1 cdj and a mixer(instant doubles) take up compared to a controller.
Gio Alex 8:14 PM - 17 December, 2018
The thing is for a mixer and 1 cdj you're looking at two flight cases. Less portability. And also like 2K+ at least
DJ Nin 8:29 PM - 17 December, 2018
I've done the instant doubles thing before. I don't like it personally. I just find it annoying to DJ an entire night like that. Also, to be honest I fuck up too much.

Will forget to turn filter off prior to swapping songs

Will have echo out effect still on from previous transition and will be dead air initially when I switch crossfader all the way over

Will load song on wrong deck

Etc.
Mr. Goodkat 8:30 PM - 17 December, 2018
i get that, but if sound quality is what you are going for, it seems like it would be worth the extra money.

I found a cdj 900 nexus for 500$, and while i know thats rare, i found another for $900 off ebay that is basically new.

WHile looking around ive found a pair of OG 900s for $600 and they generally go for 4-600. Of course if you are only going for timecode, you can get some old 1000s mk3s and a quality mixer. There are plenty of mixers for 600-1000 that will give you better sound than a pioneer controller(even pioneer mixers).

I've started to use gator g club bags for my cdjs and mixer, and while they arent as protective if you actually have to go on the road, they work fine for local gigs.

the bag that works with 900s/2000s is a 19 inch controller bag for around 80-100$ on ebay or amazon. Ive added a little foam at the bottom, but they are basically perfect and have enough space to for extra cords.
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 26 December, 2018
What’s the latest news on the Mixars Primo. Still haven’t seen anything. No surprise here...Nothing from retail stores either. Gotta love the waiting game.😬
Serato, Moderator
Michael R 11:01 PM - 26 December, 2018
They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
dj_soo 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?
WildcardX 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
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Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?

This would make a good Bet to see which gets released first. lol
DJ Tecniq 5:37 AM - 27 December, 2018
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They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
Interesting no official statement from Mixars. Least you got the deets for us👍🏼
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:14 PM - 27 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.


Ecler is the RANE of Spain! Hell they sound better then Pioneer mixers.

I have a NUO 4 and there’s no way I could ever get rid of it......
Serato, Moderator
Michael R 9:22 PM - 27 December, 2018
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Interesting no official statement from Mixars.

Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December 14th:

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Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 28 December, 2018
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Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December.

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
They should add this statement to their website then.
Djkom 9:06 AM - 4 January, 2019
Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Mr. Goodkat 7:20 PM - 4 January, 2019
never heard of that dj, but she can cut, was impressed
DJ Tecniq 11:07 PM - 4 January, 2019
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Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Damn...thought it was January now February😬 At least it’s out there. Sad I gotta follow this chick just to see it🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 11:11 PM - 4 January, 2019
Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.
HellNegative1 7:58 AM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Dj Youkai 2:04 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com

Cool.. She Performed In Hawaii. Under my Good Friends of Level H :) Glad There is Some Sign That the Mixar Primo Is Coming Soon. Totally Interested in Checking Out that Controller Also :)
DJ Tecniq 9:12 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️
cosmicbaggy 9:27 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Looks like a lightbox to display her 'DJ name/brand'.

Ffs, this is what the craft has become...
Gio Alex 4:00 PM - 6 January, 2019
Lol yeah most likely a light box
Robb Royale 4:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:35 PM - 7 January, 2019
I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.
DJ JulioYEG 8:44 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com

nah i have a sticker light that's custom made dj stand that the back of your laptop display sits against ill try and find a better pic from a homie
DJ JulioYEG 8:45 PM - 7 January, 2019
DJ Nin 9:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. Not what I wanted to hear.
Gio Alex 9:05 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.

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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Oooof... sounds like you'll need a higher tier model for that feature? Like how pioneer did
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:10 PM - 7 January, 2019
They say it depends on Serato.

I will be curious to see how they mapped it. .2.1 already supports it so the mapping is done already.

I have the SR2 and the lack of jog wheel/led ring indicator is a bummer.
dj_soo 12:11 AM - 8 January, 2019
The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.
Gio Alex 4:44 PM - 8 January, 2019
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The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.


You're right.

These small features are definitely left out to separate the tiers in the models. The thing that sucks is we don't necessarily want massive and heavy gear. Give me the pro features in a compact model. I'll gladly pay the extra bucks for it.
DJ Nin 5:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.
DJ Nin 5:05 PM - 8 January, 2019
Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II
Gio Alex 5:23 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 8 January, 2019
If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔
DJ Nin 5:35 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.


Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.
DJ Tecniq 5:37 PM - 8 January, 2019
One thing I really dislike about the SR2 is the small pitch fader. So I’m still considering getting the Primo for that reason alone and the xfade cut on the unit itself is very convenient. I think the sound quality on the SR2 could of been improved but when you’re buying a small controller like that they tend to really cut cost on quality which is unfortunate. I’m curious to see how the Primo compares in sound quality.
Gio Alex 5:38 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.


That's really all in makes sense for IMO. bar/club install. Other than that it looks no different then when cats used to lug the one coffin with the turntables and mixer slot.
DJ Nin 5:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔


It's like they don't want our money. Seriously, this has been discussed to death on this forum and still no one has stepped up to make a legit 2 channel controller without a stripped down set of features. WTF.

The only time I use 4 channels on my SX2 is when I'm doing weddings and I have 2 mics hooked up and even then it's only because the SX2 doesn't have separate mic inputs. I don't know anyone who actually uses 4 channels to mix. Shit is way too confusing and really just unnatural IMO with only 2 jog wheels and the 1/3 2/4 buttons.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?
DJ Tecniq 5:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
And don’t tell me it can’t be done because Hercules did it first with the jogvision. But c’mon only 1 master rca out...😐 No idea what Mixars is talking about cause this one here is supported for Serato....🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:00 PM - 8 January, 2019
Give me this...with your standard Master XLR/RCA, Booth, Full 100mm pitch fader, xfade reverse/slope and I’m all in. Why hasn’t Hercules did a mk2 version of the Jogvision. This is such an easy sell.
youtu.be
DJ Nin 6:21 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato


Basically if Serato doesn’t code the LED’s then it is what it is.....
DJ Nin 7:07 PM - 8 January, 2019
Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
DJ Tecniq 7:10 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
+1
Gio Alex 7:11 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that
DJ Nin 7:22 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


LOL. I know but I had nothing to lose and the timing was right so why not
HellNegative1 7:25 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.

That aside.

I am all for the smaller controller argument. It's sad that I can fit an SC5000 with a Mixars Duo into carry on, but there still isnt a compact controller on the market with all the same features in a carry-on sized package. Manufacturers have really missed the mark formid-range touring open-format DJ's.
DJ Nin 7:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
DJ Tecniq 8:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:49 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you
Gio Alex 8:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Not too far off, average of 4-6 years per feature lol that already exists on other platforms
DJ Nin 9:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Good lookin out Sparky. Thanks fam.
DJ Nin 9:03 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.


Right. I said that actually.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 3:13 AM - 9 January, 2019
The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...
dj_soo 3:22 AM - 9 January, 2019
god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?
HellNegative1 3:23 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...


So it is not made up of individual LED's that addressable via Midi CC? That makes sense. These aren't out in the wide wild yet, so actualy capabilities haven't ben shown.
HellNegative1 3:24 AM - 9 January, 2019
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god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?



I have now clue, cause it's not even an expensive add. Look at the encoders on the Behringer CMD controllers. Those thinks were cheap af, but still had CC addressable LED's around the encoders.
dj_soo 3:43 AM - 9 January, 2019
fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.
Gio Alex 3:54 AM - 9 January, 2019
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fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.


I suspect two reasons.

1) they have no way to separate the models and tiers other than features and extra channels. Which is dumb in our opinion because most of us don’t need the 4channels. We just want portable, lite, but pro.

2) clearly they’re not looking at these forums
DJ Tecniq 4:18 AM - 9 January, 2019
Roland DJ 505, Pioneer SR2, Denon MC4000, Mixars Primo all of these 2 ch decks have no playhead indicator. The only solution is to get this...but i hate Rekordbox so that’s out🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
dj_soo 4:48 AM - 9 January, 2019
RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
dj_soo 4:52 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.


I wonder how the relationship actually works. Do the companies just design a controller, plop it in Serato's lap and say "make it work?"

I know when I worked in videogames, all the major console companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo had a specific set of guidelines you had to follow in order to maintain consistency in certain features and UI cues.

I wonder if Serato has a set of universal guidelines or if it's just them trying to implement whatever ideas the companies come up with?
DJ Tecniq 5:26 AM - 9 January, 2019
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RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
Are you kidding? What’s the purpose of that controller anyway. DVS should be pushed throughout their software.
dj_soo 5:27 AM - 9 January, 2019
the purpose it to provide a relatively full-featured standalone controller that's cheaper than a set of XDJ/CDJs and a mixer.
dj_soo 5:28 AM - 9 January, 2019
most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:51 AM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:57 AM - 9 January, 2019
I messaged Serato on fb. Here’s their reply.

Me: Will there ever be a Serato replica of this unit. Really would like a compact 2 ch controller w/DVS & jogwheel indicator. So many djs would want this especially us mobile guys. Figured I’d ask
youtu.be

Serato: Thanks for your message.

I can't really tell if there will 'ever' be a serato version of this unit, but there is already an option that meets your desired specs of 2 ch/DVS/jogwheel indicator. This would be the DDJ-SR2. It doesn't have a screen like the XDJ-RX2, but you can always get the Numark dashboard to if the screen was a 'must have' for your ideal setup.

Also, in case there's many users requesting this feature, ideally they would be posting their feedback any other suggestions on future features in the Feature Suggestions area on Serato.com:
- serato.com

This is where our products team hangs out, and view these requests. Which ultimately means they use this part of the forum to help decide what to put into future releases, so your feedback is always welcomed and the many other djs who want this can get behind the request by adding their +1.

hope this clarifies things

Me: I have the SR2 and it does not have a jogwheel playhead indicator so this is not an option. Thanks for the message. My suggestion you need a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel playhead. There currently isn’t one for Serato except for the Hercules Jogvision which has no DVS or full compact features in a smaller controller.

Edit: The main thing i got wrong was I thought the XDJ controller had DVS. What a waste. Quite a confusing response considering whoever from Serato that responding didn’t understand what i meant by “jogwheel indicator” meh...
dj_soo 11:02 AM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.
HellNegative1 6:46 PM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.


I will continue on this. The current trend in both DJ and Production hardware is to go full standalone. In the foreseeable future, Laptops will primarily be used by DVS users. Especially as more and more affordable standalone solutions hit the market.
Mr. Goodkat 8:04 PM - 9 January, 2019
im currently working on going no laptop.

i played for years with a couple cd books and two crates of vinyl, surely 16-32 gb drive should be enough. Seems like a challenge of several sorts, not to rely on visual cues(which there are actually plenty on a cdj, but not a 13 in screen) and to be organized and more effcient(44k songs really isnt needed everytime i go dj).

plus no downloading requests(nobody tips like they used to anyway)
Gio Alex 8:56 PM - 9 January, 2019
Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.
Mr. Goodkat 9:37 PM - 9 January, 2019
serato could compete with rekordbox easily if they did that.

have organizational software for usbs (and serato dj pro if you wanted to use that), like rekordbox.

probably easier said than done though.
Gio Alex 9:40 PM - 9 January, 2019
The cool thing is they wouldn't have to worry about macOS and Windows as much. They would solely control the upgrades/updates/patches.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.
Gio Alex 4:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.


That would be so dope!
HK1200 5:48 PM - 10 January, 2019
It would be dope until they upgraded the software to the point that the hardware they sold you for thousands of dollars a couple of years ago is no longer powerful enough to run it. Then it's "buy another one, ya rich mf" time.

They'd probably love it, but the whole "so what, buy another one" mindset doesn't really jive with me.

I absolutely see the appeal though and would pony up in a heartbeat for the right piece of equipment at the right price, but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.
Chino 6:11 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)
dj_soo 6:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?
Gio Alex 6:30 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)


This is why I thought the price of the rane twelve was a bit high. At least with a turntable it still plays records. So it serves a purpose other than serato.
HellNegative1 7:04 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.



It can handle even more. We have thrown some crazy projects at the MPC Live and it doesnt even stutter.
HK1200 7:10 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?

Very true, though I'm personally not rushing out to buy cdj's. I skipped that fad and kept it vinyl + dvs, so to me CDJ's don't have a lot of value, which is why I kind of didn't think about them. You're right though, certain cdj units still draw some fair money. The large majority of them ended up in junk piles though I imagine because there were a lot of crappy offerings over the years, but there are definitely some undeniable gems out there for what they were.

The controller market on the other hand, I don't know. Being all in one, something mission critical is more than likely going to break or malfunction eventually, rendering the whole shebang out of service and in need of repair. Doubly so if it's a true all in one computer free affair I'd imagine. If it's end of life and out of warranty it may or may not be an expensive proposition to fix, if the manufacturer is even willing to continue to service them like due to parts availability. Then there is the time involved. Cuts into my perceived value anyway. At least with a modular setup like cdj's, vinyl, or a 12, you can source and swap out the individual component to keep you going if you even need to do that much.

Like you said, even when everything is working fine, those new features can really be tempting. Sometimes you've just gotta have them. The hard part then becomes convincing the other guy that he doesn't need them and Twitch is every bit as good and functional as SDJ 5. ...and paying for the new hot shit, of course. If two twelves and a 72 are like 4 or 5 grand I can only imagine where they'd price such a beast. 7 or 8g's? 12,500 in Canada? Lmao, I'd still love to see it though.
HK1200 9:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.
Gio Alex 9:47 PM - 10 January, 2019
well instead of matching waveforms it could just show you the track data like a cdj does.
dj_soo 10:15 PM - 10 January, 2019
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I skipped that fad


it's not really a "fad" at this point. It's basically the standard.
HK1200 10:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Fair enough, but I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props" was often uttered, even if it isn't really an accurate mantra anymore as they did seem to end up winning the mainstream dj format wars. You pretty much had to learn to deal with them if there weren't any 1200's around and you weren't bringing your own.

As a format though, CD's are pretty much done. They're on life support, anyway. On the bright side, Technics is making the 1200 again, so maybe the format war isn't over after all.
dj_soo 10:32 PM - 10 January, 2019
Yea, CDs are long done, but the "CDJ' is now just a synonymous term for a standalone USB media player.

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I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props"


That time was 10 years ago.
dj_soo 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com
HK1200 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
The strong preference towards an SL1200 is timeless, imho.
HK1200 11:02 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com


$1700 probably wouldn't have been an unreasonable ask at all, had it come true. Traktor though. Wouldn't it be be nice if it could run whatever you wanted, assuming you paid for the license? Man, that would be sweet.
dj_soo 11:37 PM - 10 January, 2019
I mean, it's just a mini windows tablet built into a mixer loaded up with the sofware. Traktor actually allows for touch screen controls tho which is why they probably chose it since Serato is still falling behind on a good touch screen or ios version of their software.

Today, you could probably have traktor or DJay Pro or something loaded up on an ipad and slot it into a mixer running a sound card or something and get the same results.
HK1200 12:03 AM - 11 January, 2019
Kind of surprising that none of the major players have done it.

I'd be lying if I said that I haven't dreamed of cobbling something of my own together out of an old flight case or something. Mini PC in the base, either a Serato enabled mixer or even an analog one with an sl box stuffed in there, screen on a hinge with a thumb screw to tighten it down at whatever angle works for you, maybe a mini trackball or one of those little nubbins the thinkpads use recessed somewhere in the face of the mixer or something... Then just a single power cord, and connect your deck of choice.

Shit sounds like a lot of work though. Can't Rane just make one for us? Lol
DJ JulioYEG 1:41 AM - 11 January, 2019
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"Cdj's get no props"

we talking about cdj 100s??
HK1200 1:46 AM - 11 January, 2019
Yup, we sure are.
DJ JulioYEG 1:53 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Yup, we sure are.

stanton was ahead of the game at that time u missed out.
www.amazon.ca
HK1200 2:09 AM - 11 January, 2019
Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.
DJ JulioYEG 2:14 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.

numark cdn 450 brotha then i had the icd mix 2 lol with the built in mixer
HK1200 2:20 AM - 11 January, 2019
My man, lol.
DJ JulioYEG 2:29 AM - 11 January, 2019
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My man, lol.

trust g back in simpler times when id have a peice of paper in front of every cd slot with a piece of paper with the track time title and bpm and id highlight the best track green seccond best yellow and 3rd best blue lol
DJ Tecniq 2:35 AM - 11 January, 2019
Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔
HK1200 3:24 AM - 11 January, 2019
Ah, yes, of course, the Primo! Sorry, A.D.D makes it hard to stay focused for months on end. Lmfao

It's the only non spinning deck all in one style controller I'm really all that interested in. I hope they're actually able to pull it off, and do it well. I'd consider adding one to the arsenal if it turns out as well as I l'd like to hope.
Dj L-Biz 3:14 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II


I second this.
I still happily use my vci380, its a proper work horse.

To me it seems baffling that Vestax had such a forward thinking design team and no other company has picked up on all the positives from the vci380 and incorporated them into other controllers. If only Vestax had got the dvs firmware upgrade out before their demise, it would still be a near perfect controller.

Positives that I feel should be included in all mid-range controllers of a similar size/footprint and above imho:
Tension adjustable jogs
Led position display in jog wheels
Touch strip
dvs options (ok it didn't happen for the vci380 but the potential was there)
Removable user replaceable x fader
Spare in & outs - mic & aux as well as those needed for potential dvs

Anyway, just my 2 cents, as i'm happy to keep using mine (when not using dvs) with a feature set/design/tech that has existed for 6-7 years, at least until something that ticks all the boxes (for me) comes out
jprime 4:52 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔


Yes....patiently waiting here. checking Long & McQuade's site daily to see if it's in stock.
HK1200 5:49 PM - 11 January, 2019
The Primo is pretty much the only thing that kept me from finally breaking down and buying a 380. Lack of DVS and no company left to speak of were obviously big considerations, though theres no telling how long Mixars may or may not be around. Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed for them.
deejayfatcat 3:15 AM - 12 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.


Pre 2000, most clubs had 1200s and a Denon 1800/2100/2600F. Also, most mobile jocks ran them too. When pioneer first came out with a shuttle style player before the tabletop format. I had a 2100F and it was essential in that time where MP3s became commonplace but DVS wasn’t mature yet(around 94-99)
HK1200 4:26 AM - 12 January, 2019
Yup, I was around, but I was still a vinyl holdout at that point. For permanent installs in clubs and such they were definitely installed almost as standard operating procedure. Like every bar, club, strip joint, etc, but generally they would be used in situations where the Dj was expected to be more of an MC than mixologist, on regular nights anyway. Not to say that some folks couldn't get down on them and mix their asses off, but realistically their limitations prevented them from being used under a lot of circumstances. In the crowds I rolled in there was simply no place for them, but even back then I could always respect the guys who used them to host events because those types of gigs took a whole different skill set to pull off week after week. Mic work, being a cordial host, guiding ceremonies and such, taking requests and customer service. It's just a whole different level.

The rack mount style were well suited to the mobile guys of the day, being a hell of a lot lighter and easier to lug around than 1200's and 8+ hours of vinyl and whatnot. If the events you were doing were the type where they look at you funny for scratching in a track or if quick mixes were all that was required, who could blame ya for lighting your load? Pio sure turned that side of the market on it's ear though.. and for the better, all considered. The evolution was substantial. The explosion in the controller market overall only makes sense as a natural progression.

The Primo looks like it might be a lot of fun, especially considering it's size and format. It wouldn't replace my 1200's, but I could actually see myself dragging it all over the place just for the hell of it. That would be a nice change of pace.
HellNegative1 1:19 PM - 12 January, 2019
Just checked the midi implementation chart for the primo. Will have to verify once it actually comes out and I get to map one to Traktor, but it does look like the LED ring has individually addressable LED's via Midi CC. Which would mean that the track position indicator being left out is a decision by Serato and not Mixars. However, there are only 18 LED's to form the entire ring, so position display may not be very accurate.
GC-Intl 8:51 PM - 14 January, 2019
For all who had the same question regarding POST CROSSFADER FX:

From the PRIMO manual section C)

There are 2 audio routing settings in Primo, namely the Serato routing and non-Serato routing.
In Serato mode routing, the Primo acts as a controller and most of the mixing is done in Serato DJ software.
** It allows post-crossfader FX from Serato DJ. **
HK1200 8:57 PM - 14 January, 2019
Excellent.
Logisticalstyles 4:16 PM - 18 January, 2019
ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
DJ Tecniq 4:50 PM - 18 January, 2019
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ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
Nice are you purchasing? I really wanna see a demo first before i make that decision.
Logisticalstyles 5:14 PM - 18 January, 2019
Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
HK1200 7:01 PM - 18 January, 2019
$550 is a nice price for this. I hope to hear good things. It's definitely on my radar for a side-piece.
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 18 January, 2019
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Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
I feel you i already have a S9 and t-tables but i rarely get time to use it since my son has been born. I got the SR2 but would rather want a full pitch slider so may sell it for the Primo. Awaiting YouTube for the demos...hehe
dj_soo 2:05 AM - 19 January, 2019
I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
DJ Tecniq 8:21 AM - 19 January, 2019
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I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
I hear you. My S9 & tables stay at home. The SR2 is for mobile use if it had a full pitch slider I’d prob keep it. The key shifting is a cool function and there’s been no talk of the Mixars having the same feature? Gonna wait I guess
dj_soo 8:25 AM - 19 January, 2019
should be able to map it - that's what I've done with controllers in the past.
Logisticalstyles 2:52 PM - 19 January, 2019
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The key shifting is a cool function

If I sell my SR2 that will be one features I'll miss. I'm sure it can be mapped but the placement of the controls on the SR2 is perfect for me.
DJ Tecniq 1:51 PM - 22 January, 2019
So who’s got the Primo? Seeing on a lot of online stores it’s selling out...🤔
jprime 5:36 PM - 22 January, 2019
Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 22 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
Saw some stores it can be purchased pre-order. Spoke to zzounds and they said Jan 26th they’ll receive shipment but that is not certain from the manufacturer yet. Still playing the waiting game...😬
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:40 PM - 24 January, 2019
If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
jprime 8:45 PM - 24 January, 2019
Except there's nowhere to buy it online yet :(
dj_soo 8:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.


Available for preorder here: www.avshop.ca
DJ Tecniq 8:56 PM - 24 January, 2019
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If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
Great point but i don’t want to be an early tester if say the unit is defective in some way. The cool thing about zzounds is they have a “pay as you play” option where they bill you monthly and ship the unit to you with no credit check. I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo. I’m gonna wait and see demo’s. Can someone confirm if Mixars is at NAMM? Maybe we’ll finally see the unit in the works...crosses fingers🤞🏼
DJ Tecniq 9:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
If you want to get a great deal Agiprodj is having a moving sale. On their site the Primo is retailed at $599.00 if you use their code “movingsale” at checkout you can preorder the Primo for only $509.00 new. That’s a $90 discount not bad.
www.agiprodj.com
DJ Tecniq 9:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
However some sites are selling it for $549.00 while others are selling it for $599.00 which i find out but I’m sure they can price match.
DJ Tecniq 10:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
Find odd*
HellNegative1 6:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
ZZounds will price match and sometimes price beat.
DJ Nin 7:44 PM - 25 January, 2019
Still no new videos on this mythical piece of gear
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo.


That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
DJ Tecniq 10:14 PM - 25 January, 2019
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That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
Agreed. I just hope the mic preamp on the Primo delivers cause the SR2 is god awful but like most Pioneer controllers their mic preamp is shit.
Ollieboy 10:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
DJ Nin 11:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)


(1989 Keanu Reeves Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Voice)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA

That's great news.
DJ Tecniq 12:59 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
Holy shit...finally a 2 ch controller with LED indicator. May just pre order sooner than i thought🤔
Gio Alex 1:43 AM - 26 January, 2019
Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
Ollieboy 2:33 AM - 26 January, 2019
Going back tomorrow. I'll try and get it on video as well as more info. It was working great. Aaron the sales rep was very informative. Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.
DJ Tecniq 4:35 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
As far as i know i doubt it for the SR2. Def needs a full pitch slider though
Gio Alex 5:37 AM - 26 January, 2019
Damn I read that somewhere. Maybe it was feature request and not a thing they said.
Clubber1970 8:53 PM - 26 January, 2019
DJ Tecniq 11:04 PM - 26 January, 2019
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youtu.be
Looks dope i love the built in fx cause the SR2 does not have that and I’m not a fan of SDJ fx. Looks solid. Noticed how he said it’s been widely talked about on the Serato forum...well yeah it was supposed to come out 2 yrs ago.
DJ Tecniq 12:49 AM - 27 January, 2019
My only concern is I hope the Primo can fit my Pioneer case if not I’ll have to sell both the SR2 & case.
Ollieboy 3:20 AM - 27 January, 2019
Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
Ollieboy 6:00 AM - 27 January, 2019
More video from TheDjHookup
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:03 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2
Ollieboy 7:40 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2

I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
DJ Tecniq 8:45 AM - 27 January, 2019
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I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
SR2 is the same but what i love most it has a lot of features the SR2 does not.
dj_soo 10:47 AM - 27 January, 2019
I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:24 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
Clubber1970 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


Well there is an option in Serato for that to be able to use the strip only in pause mode.
Ollieboy 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


I told the rep that. There should be a way to disable it but I haven't checked.
DJ Tecniq 6:10 AM - 28 January, 2019
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Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
You can disable needle search while the track is playing it’s in the software settings. The SR2 has the needle search at the top and I’ve hit it a few times at gigs when applying fx so therefore i disabled it so when the deck is paused you can still needle search tbh I like the placement better on the Primo.
jprime 10:26 PM - 29 January, 2019
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Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.


Quality info there thanks.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:57 PM - 30 January, 2019
I could never disable it because I use it because it aligns perfectly with the wave forms on the screens.
I never could make use of the needle search until I changed to that setup.

I would definitely be more likely to bump strip with my hands on the jogs than when reaching for the effects but that's just me.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 4:01 PM - 30 January, 2019
AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
DJ Tecniq 1:06 AM - 31 January, 2019
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AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
It’s true thedjhookup.com will have it in stock tomorrow they quoted me $489.00 presale price but I’m gonna wait it out still. There currently is no protective case for it yet and I want to protect my investment. Also I’m gonna wait to hear reviews on it but it looks like many online retailers will have it in stock. If anyone here purchases it plz let me know after reviewing it👍🏼
Johnnynights 9:39 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Johnnynights 9:40 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
dj_soo 9:44 PM - 31 January, 2019
If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.
HellNegative1 10:25 PM - 31 January, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro
Ollieboy 4:14 AM - 1 February, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro


I think it will. As long as the glitches are kept to a minimum or null, it's gonna be a hit. Also if they fullfill the request for LED indicator.
DJ Tecniq 4:22 AM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Johnnynights 11:44 PM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Yeah I got it for 470 from my dealer...for sure I will...I'm pumped to try it...if it's that better from my sx2 i will sell my sx2...
DJ Tecniq 6:09 PM - 3 February, 2019
So who’s got the Primo can’t believe no reviews are out yet🤔
Serato, Support
Mike.C 1:40 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
DJ Tecniq 3:50 AM - 4 February, 2019
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You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
Nice i thought I read somewhere it had dedicated pitch play. Still this is a great replacement for the SR2 it really offers more for the value. I’m dying to see a review🙏🏼
dj_soo 9:31 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.


oh man, I want this controller even more now. Really, really hope this thing doesn't have any major fuckups. If they actually get the LED ring indicator functionality, the only thing it's missing for me is tension adjustable platters.
jprime 4:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Beuller? Anyone get it in their hands yet? Patiently waiting for it to show up in the Canadian online stores as available and not pre order.
Djkom 5:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com
Johnnynights 6:12 PM - 4 February, 2019
I got the controller and so far I love it...very portable the knobs and jog wheels everything feels like good quality for me...however the 8 pads I like them better on the ddj sx2 but that's just me...the on board fx are awesome to have...also the primo is way louder than my sx2 in output(maybe different gain settings)...like when I'm on the last green it sounds way louder and crispier than my sx2...sound quality I think this sounds way better than my sx2...I will test it out on a big system when I get a chance.

Everything else I like the primo better than my sx2...looks like it's going to replace my ddj sx2 for most of my gigs..

Feel free to ask me anything about it...
Johnnynights 6:17 PM - 4 February, 2019
Also another thing it has aux/mic switch in front(rca input)...crossfader curve knob adjustment..

Hats off to mixars they did an awesome small controller with almost everything a dj wants...

Only thing I wished it had would be tension adjustable platters like dj_soo said up there.
Johnnynights 6:20 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
DJ Nin 6:23 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
Ollieboy 6:26 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?


The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
DJ Tecniq 6:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!
dj_soo 7:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Can you give the rough dimensions? They still don’t list them on their site
DJ Nin 7:53 PM - 4 February, 2019
Per zzounds;

- Dimensions: 20" x 13" x 2.6" in
- Weight: 9 lbs.
DJ Tecniq 8:32 PM - 4 February, 2019
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The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
Personally love this. The SR2 is not listed as compatible on innofaders website only the SR is listed. It’s awesome the Primo is compatible!
Dj Youkai 4:06 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Johnnynights 6:59 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
The jog wheels feel good they feel a bit more lighter than my sx2...the crossfader I didnt really mess with it but as soon as I do..i will give you my input on it..I heard you can swap a innofader in these..
Johnnynights 7:03 AM - 5 February, 2019
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Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!

Oh yeah I still gotta test that one out too..the led ch indicators I love that it has them..thanks so far I'm loving the controller..I cant believe I'm actually liking this controller better than my sx2..maybe of how compact it is.
dj_soo 7:09 AM - 5 February, 2019
can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?
Johnnynights 7:10 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Lol you will like it...they are like the same size as a ddj sx2..yeah they look big because the size of the controller is pretty small ..

Now I need to get a case for it lol.

If any of you guys get it..I'm sure you will like it just like me...
Johnnynights 7:24 AM - 5 February, 2019
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can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?

Yeah for sure check my ig page
dj_soo 8:57 AM - 5 February, 2019
awesome - looks pretty much the same size as a VCI-380
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:04 AM - 5 February, 2019
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can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?

Yeah for sure check my ig page


Is it class complaint on MacOS?
dj_soo 9:46 AM - 5 February, 2019
No driver for Mac so sounds like it
DJ Nin 3:30 PM - 5 February, 2019
I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.
Dj Youkai 4:32 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Thanks For the Your Review. I think I found a Magma Case that Wil fit Almost Perfectly for the Mixars Primo
It's the Magma CTRL Case XXL II DJ Controller Case. Here are the specs.
External dimensions (H/W/D): 25″ x 14.4″ x 3.2″
Internal dimensions (H/W/D): 24.2″ x 13.3″ x 2.7″
Weight: 5 lbs

The Mixars Primo Dimensions are:
20 x 13 x 2.6 inches

The it's like 4.2 inches longer, but that extra space might be great for your usb cables and ac adapter. 😊
Hope This Helps 😊
cosmicbaggy 4:44 PM - 5 February, 2019
Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...
DJ Nin 4:50 PM - 5 February, 2019
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Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...


No doubt. I get that.

I have a couple Casino gigs later this month where I play from 6-2. Assuming there are no hiccups on Friday, I'll be using the Primo there as well.
Johnnynights 4:51 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Awesome bro yeah I feel you on the onboard fx I'm only using the filter but however I still like the filter on my ddj sx2 better but that's not issue..

I need to get a case soon..ima look into those magma bags...I think I'm no longer going to use the mini coffins
DJ Nin 4:56 PM - 5 February, 2019
Yeah, I agree SX 2 Filter is better, but like you said not a big deal.

This is the case I have. XL Plus version. Really light..

www.zzounds.com
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 5 February, 2019
How is the sound quality? 6” platters i think are slightly bigger than the SR2.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 5 February, 2019
I haven't had a chance to hook it up to speakers yet. Just messed around for about an hour with headphones on. Sounds good in headphones, but not really a fair assessment.
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 5 February, 2019
Primo case mentioned here by Magma
youtu.be
Dj Youkai 10:41 AM - 6 February, 2019
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Primo case mentioned here by Magma
youtu.be

Thanks, Saw that Before, Just I don't think it was out yet at AMS. So I just went for another Magma Case that fits close to it.
DJ Alibi 3:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
DJ Tecniq 5:28 AM - 8 February, 2019
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Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
How’s the sound quality and test out the mic output if you can.
Johnnynights 6:00 AM - 8 February, 2019
I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
DJ Tecniq 8:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
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I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
Cool man thanks. Was able to get the Primo pre order pricing to extend till this week so i may jump on it early after all.
DJ Nin 9:37 PM - 8 February, 2019
From Serato regarding the jog wheel indicator..
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Hey everyone,

Glad to hear you are enjoying the Mixars Primo and we appreciate your feedback on the integration. Its great to hear from people who are actually using the controller!

During development Mixars and Serato decided to use the platter ring to display track load status and track end warning. Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring. We are currently working with Mixars to get this feature included in a future release of Serato DJ. No dates yet sorry.

Hope that helps!
Sam GG
DJ Tecniq 10:11 PM - 8 February, 2019
I just ordered mine was able to still get preorder pricing even though it's already in stock got it for $489.00 via thedjhookup.com. Those guys rule! Can't wait to compare this with my SR2...I will be doing a review comparing the two. Shall be fun.
DJ Tecniq 10:12 PM - 8 February, 2019
Used PayPal credit so I'm not breaking my bank quite yet.
DJ Tecniq 10:20 PM - 8 February, 2019
Also zzounds gave me a price quote of $511 which is pretty decent. They could not price match what I was quoted from djhookup only advertised. However Zzounds has an awesome "pay as you play" option/no credit check and no interest if paid in full in 6-12months.
Logisticalstyles 10:26 PM - 8 February, 2019
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Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring.


DJs have been asking for jog wheel indicators ever since companies started making controllers without jog wheel indicators. It's funny how he tries to make it sound like some new request from DJs.
dj_soo 10:30 PM - 8 February, 2019
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Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring.


this is just so hard to believe imo - it leads me to believe that a lot of these developers are living in a bit of a bubble when it comes to designing the products.
DJ Tecniq 10:46 PM - 8 February, 2019
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DJs have been asking for jog wheel indicators ever since companies started making controllers without jog wheel indicators. It's funny how he tries to make it sound like some new request from DJs.
It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.
DJ Tecniq 10:48 PM - 8 February, 2019
But seriously maybe them adding this indicator in the Primo will raise the bar for 2 ch decks. Honestly what kind of 2 ch battle/controller DJ doesn’t want that option🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Alibi 1:01 AM - 9 February, 2019
i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators? and yes i will test the mic tonight!
dj_soo 1:13 AM - 9 February, 2019
no indicators on the SR2.
Logisticalstyles 1:21 AM - 9 February, 2019
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i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators?


Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.
DJ Tecniq 1:28 AM - 9 February, 2019
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i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators? and yes i will test the mic tonight!
no jogwheel indicators unfortunately but a pretty neat controller still. The negatives non full pitch slider, no xfade reverse,curve knob, no aux channel, no mic fx...the Primo literally offers much more imo.
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dj_soo 1:38 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


I stopped using controllers once I got my 72 in the summer. Never want to go back to lugging turntables out (which is a reason I don't want the 20 lbs Twelves), but with my Denon SC3900s, it's a lot more manageable, and for smaller gigs, I'll just bring a single.

A few of my regular gigs have been a lot more fun once I went back to the spinning platters.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:10 AM - 9 February, 2019
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It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.


How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
DJ Tecniq 3:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:46 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.


I know I'm much older school than you and over the years we always struggled to find ways to use more than just (2) 1200.
My original reason for leaving Scratch and going to Traktor was to get 4 decks.
Still miss certain things about Traktor but I survive.

I think the worst marketing ploy they have is that button that allows you to do 4 decks on a 2 channel unit because not having 4 faders with 4 decks is not a fun way to work.

I guess Mixar felt that the 4 channel market was a harder arena to jump in?
Will be really interesting to see if they add the indicator for playback and how it actually pans out.
dj_soo 4:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
My guess is that they saw an opening in the market and went for it. When it was first announced, there were no 2 channel controllers capable of DVS, now there are still only 2 available.

And there are still no controllers that fulfil the niche that wanted something similar to the VCI 380 - which was a compact controller with pro features.

The 4 channel market is crowded as all fuck as is the beginner market, but no one was making a more pro 2 channel controller since vestax when it was announced.
DJ Nin 7:35 AM - 9 February, 2019
I used the Primo tonight for the 1st time at a gig.

Sound quality is good. Definitely sounds better & louder than my SX 2.

Mic output was good too. Was getting feedback initially, but I swapped cables and then it sounded a lot better
deejayfatcat 1:15 PM - 9 February, 2019
This is really encouraging. I’m going to see if it will fit in my MC4000 case.
DJ dVO 2:31 PM - 9 February, 2019
The Mixers Primo is a great replacement for users of a VCI-380 or the likes. Everything I read about the Primo is awesome! It bags a lot of punches for a small controller! And at $549, it can't go wrong! I wish they hadn't used a 12V DC power cable though. This thing gets damaged so easily!

I have been looking for a replacement for my VCI-380 but real standalone (laptop-less) controllers are here so getting the Primo would be a one to one replacement. I hope to be less reliant on my old laptop for gigs.

As much as I like about the Primo, I am going to wait out a tad longer to see what's in the pipeline for a compact standalone controller.
DJ Tecniq 7:52 PM - 9 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
I also forgot to mention i personally love 2 ch devices because it saves more space with t-tables combined. I prefer the t-tables as close as possible. With a 4 ch deck is less space. I understand 4 ch’s have their place but there isn’t a big market for 2 ch controllers. Mixers on the other hand is different. There needs to be more balance so I’m hoping we’ll see more 2 ch controllers coming into the market esp for Serato cause it’s very limited. Not every mobile/club DJ wants to haul around a 4 ch deck.
Gio Alex 3:05 PM - 11 February, 2019
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i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators?


Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


it's basically their way of separating the tiers and justifying having to buy the other ones by having less or more features on certain models. It's crazy because I wouldn't mind forking more money for a portable, smaller sized controller, but full professional features. To me, an SZ2 or whatever isn't really mobile. just my opinion.
Logisticalstyles 5:18 PM - 11 February, 2019
I can imagine in the future DJs talking about how hard they had it back in the days using jog wheels with no indicators. Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.
577er 5:40 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.
Gio Alex 5:50 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.


LOL
jprime 5:57 PM - 11 February, 2019
Still not available in Canadian online stores. Sigh
dj_soo 6:53 PM - 11 February, 2019
That was me waiting for the 72. Didn’t hit Canadian stores til like August or something when it released in the states in april
jprime 7:01 PM - 11 February, 2019
Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
DJ Tecniq 7:28 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments
dj_soo 7:31 PM - 11 February, 2019
I’ve ordered from b&h a few times to Canada and they’ve been pretty good - no shipping costs for orders over $100.

Duty wise, it’s a crapshoot. Looking at the price difference between the one Canadian store that has it listed, it’s only about a $30 difference, but you’d likely have to cover the taxes as well.
jprime 7:35 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments


That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
DJ Tecniq 1:18 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.
DJ JulioYEG 1:19 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.

the economy
DJ Tecniq 1:30 AM - 12 February, 2019
www.acclaim-music.com you try this Canadian store?
DJ Tecniq 1:31 AM - 12 February, 2019
dj_soo 1:47 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:52 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.
yes! but u gotta have connections as profit margins are smaller unless your buying anything canadian made such as yorkville
There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:53 AM - 12 February, 2019
idk wtf just happened but : yes! t u gotta have connections tho as profit margins are smaller so discounts are more rare unless your buying anything Canadian made such as Yorkville
dj_soo 6:08 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?


$550 USD = $730 CAD so it's not that much more. The cost difference is likely due to import costs and duty.
jprime 5:16 PM - 12 February, 2019
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My bad www.acclaim-music.com


Looks like a winner here. Even offers a promo code for first timers. Cheers man :)
Ollieboy 10:19 PM - 12 February, 2019
A few side by sides with the DDj-SR, Primo, and VCI-380
Also looks like the primo fits the Magma Bag for the SR well. I really want a Decksaver for it though.
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dj_soo 11:30 PM - 12 February, 2019
Hope that thing fits in my bike messenger bag. I've been enjoying biking to some of my smaller gigs and my VCI 380 fits perfectly in my large saddle bag with room for a laptop, stand, and various cables/chargers.
Ollieboy 1:17 AM - 13 February, 2019
Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:04 AM - 13 February, 2019
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Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
youtu.be
Really appreciate you for doing this curious as to which wireless system you were using. From what I can see the Primo was connected out to your wireless? The mic sounded great and i like how full the EQ made the mic sound. Very good
DJ Tecniq 6:06 AM - 13 February, 2019
This is really reassuring considering my Primo will arrive V-Day👍🏼
DJ Tecniq 4:36 AM - 15 February, 2019
Size comparison. So far I love the jogwheels getting used to them is tricky coming from a Pioneer deck cause it’s completely different they have a rubber feel to them which for me allow my finger tips to stick better. Was surprised the Primo is actually smaller but looks wider. Sound quality I believe is improved compared to the SR2. The filter fx are nothing impressive and can seem overbearing but hopefully there’s a way to tweak that in settings. Too early to tell still but i feel i can scratch easier and the xfade cut is sharper. Love the curve control & reverse xfader. Very handy
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DJ Tecniq 4:39 AM - 15 February, 2019
The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.
Ollieboy 6:24 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
DJ Tecniq 7:44 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
Great suggestion however the foam pads that latch on underneath the laptop stand that keep my SR2 in place are too small for the Primo. Not too familiar with other foam padding I’ll try a google search. Thanks!
DJ Tecniq 7:53 AM - 15 February, 2019
What I did notice about the Primo it has more weight to it compared to my SR2. It feels solid underneath. Maybe they used better HQ parts? What I didn’t like my left pitch slider doesn’t lock as tight in the middle position (0 point) as my right side slider. The right side locks and makes more noise than my left. I’m going to test it out more I haven’t had much time. Will not be gigging with it it’s for home use. I can’t take chances with it for important gigs.
Dj Youkai 11:09 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

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DJ Tecniq 2:14 PM - 15 February, 2019
The Magma Riot XL is awesome. Extremely rugged and plenty to store it’s carried my S9 everywhere before I got a controller. Ask for a discount i got mine for 10% off for Xmas 3 yrs ago.
John Calipari 3:28 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.


Or turntables with no Pitch Controls
Dj Youkai 4:43 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

imgur.com

Awesome!!! I'm indeed getting one, Thanks Alot!!! 😁
Djkom 5:00 PM - 15 February, 2019
It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁

Back to the primo, can someone tell us what's the differences between usb powered mode and dc powered one ? Sound quality, lights intensity, features activated or not (dvs..) ?
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:25 PM - 15 February, 2019
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It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁



😳
DJ Alibi 2:05 PM - 16 February, 2019
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Magma Riot Bag XL

is that the backpack?
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 16 February, 2019
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is that the backpack?
Correct👍🏼 they have a trolly bag as well for travel but i just have the back pack. Have had it for 3-4 yrs and it’s so well built.
Ollieboy 7:13 PM - 16 February, 2019
I wonder why they haven't jumped on making a Decksaver available for it now considering they're both under MWare?
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 7:30 PM - 16 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?
DJ Tecniq 11:49 PM - 16 February, 2019
Great review of the Primo. The sound quality is impressive for a small controller.
youtu.be
577er 4:15 AM - 17 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?


You still can’t really play words ontop of words let alone 4 words on top of words... thus the song vs track comment. Also, just play better music that doesn’t need all that extra crap.
deejayfatcat 1:18 PM - 17 February, 2019
Anything I need to do with more than 2 decks these days can be accomplished with sample decks.
Ollieboy 5:58 AM - 21 February, 2019
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What I did notice about the Primo it has more weight to it compared to my SR2. It feels solid underneath. Maybe they used better HQ parts? What I didn’t like my left pitch slider doesn’t lock as tight in the middle position (0 point) as my right side slider. The right side locks and makes more noise than my left. I’m going to test it out more I haven’t had much time. Will not be gigging with it it’s for home use. I can’t take chances with it for important gigs.


Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
DJ Tecniq 6:29 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
Have not had this occur. Are you using pitch n’ time?
Ollieboy 6:37 AM - 21 February, 2019
Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be
Ollieboy 6:38 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
Have not had this occur. Are you using pitch n’ time?

Not using pitch in time
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:14 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be
Very odd however you are using PNT it’s clearly visible in the keylock area. The PNT symbol is there. Try disabling PNT.
DJ Tecniq 7:15 AM - 21 February, 2019
But now I’m curious to find out which Mac and OS you’re using?
Ollieboy 7:32 AM - 21 February, 2019
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But now I’m curious to find out which Mac and OS you’re using?

Looks like it resolved itself. Could be the angle at which I was holding the platter. So I was probably grabbing at an angle or spot where it's between nudge and scratch

Mid 2012, 10.13.4
Ollieboy 7:37 AM - 21 February, 2019
They put the Key lock next to the autoloop so I find myself accidentally hitting keylock. I gotta get use to this layout.
DJ Nin 4:02 PM - 21 February, 2019
Here's a little quick mix using the Primo
Watchvimeo.com
DJ Tecniq 4:56 PM - 21 February, 2019
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Here's a little quick mix using the Primo
Watchvimeo.com
Great job bro. What I noticed about the Primo is when the track is almost over the jogwheel acts like a LED indicator and the blue LED turns around the jogwheel. What I found interesting is when you grab the jogwheel the LED still acts like an indicator point. So this is def coming in a firmware update.
DJ Nin 5:22 PM - 21 February, 2019
Thanks man.

Hope you're right about the indicator. Hopefully sooner rather than later also.
jprime 5:25 PM - 21 February, 2019
How's the stock fader?
DJ Nin 5:33 PM - 21 February, 2019
It's ok IMO. Cut in could be better. I think the stock fader on the SX2 is better.

Probably gonna install Innofader.
DJ Alibi 7:23 PM - 21 February, 2019
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It's ok IMO. Cut in could be better. I think the stock fader on the SX2 is better.

Probably gonna install Innofader.


I wonder if that would take some soldering, I've never replaced a fader before but now I'm thinking about it
DJ Alibi 7:24 PM - 21 February, 2019
Also, someone started a Mixars Primo Users Group on Facebook, (just search) there's only two people so far, it would be great to have others on board LOL
dj_soo 7:32 PM - 21 February, 2019
If the controller is listed as compatible, you usually just have to install the fader and use a connector - shouldn’t require soldering.
Ollieboy 1:51 AM - 22 February, 2019
Man the sound comparison between the Pioneer SR and the Primo is night and day. Primo so much more louder
dj_soo 2:53 AM - 22 February, 2019
My VCI 380 sounds better than the SR. It's just not a very good sounding controller.
Ollieboy 4:59 AM - 22 February, 2019
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My VCI 380 sounds better than the SR. It's just not a very good sounding controller.


The VCI-380 has it's own power source. But in regards to the Primo, when being USB powered ( i know it also has a power adapter) is louder than the USB powered DDj-SR
dj_soo 5:41 AM - 22 February, 2019
it sounds better than the SR2 as well.
dj_soo 5:41 AM - 22 February, 2019
I'm not talking volume but just pure sound quality. make them the same volume and most things still sound better than the SR
DJ Nin 3:54 PM - 22 February, 2019
Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.
Ollieboy 4:56 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?
jprime 4:59 PM - 22 February, 2019
Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P
DJ Nin 5:34 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?


I was using the power source
DJ Tecniq 6:37 PM - 22 February, 2019
I only tested it at home with usb power and the sound quality is really great for a 2 ch controller.
dj_soo 6:48 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P


Let me know what - if anything - you have to pay in duty and taxes.
DJ Tecniq 6:52 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P
No stores in Canada have it in stock?
dj_soo 6:56 PM - 22 February, 2019
took us about 4 months before we saw any Rane 72s on the shelvs after it released in the states. Could be the same with the primo. If it's really in as demand as they say it is, we're a low priority region since we have such a small population comparatively.
DJ Tecniq 7:12 PM - 22 February, 2019
Well what’s really odd is the Mixars Primo used to be on the Amazon site but now it’s not listed anymore. I doubt it’s in high demand most online U.S. stores have it in stock.
DJ Tecniq 8:17 PM - 22 February, 2019
Can someone point me in the direction of where i can find some thick foam padding cause there currently is no carry case w/laptop shelf that fits the Primo and I’m trying to find a solution to use it with my Pioneer case for my SR2.
DJ Tecniq 8:17 PM - 22 February, 2019
For my Primo* sorry
DJ Alibi 11:45 PM - 24 February, 2019
shouldn't take long for Serato to update the jog indicator lights, already working for mapping for "other software" lol
dpcar10 5:14 AM - 1 March, 2019
I have the primo. I will be taking it out this Friday. Build quality is nice and yes, playback leds on the platter will be added in the next serato update. You can get a preview of the feature by skipping to the final seconds of a track. Currently the end of track warning is exactly what we are waiting for. Lol
DJ Tecniq 7:46 AM - 1 March, 2019
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I have the primo. I will be taking it out this Friday. Build quality is nice and yes, playback leds on the platter will be added in the next serato update. You can get a preview of the feature by skipping to the final seconds of a track. Currently the end of track warning is exactly what we are waiting for. Lol
Yup noticed this myself the LED on the jogwheel acts as an indicator around the jogwheel toward the end of the track. I’m glad we get to see what it would actually look like. The indicator light is really big and very bright so this will really help out in dark environments for juggling or play position etc. Really glad i picked up the primo it has more umph in sound quality compared to my SR2 as well. It is def noticeable.
Ollie 9:39 PM - 3 March, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?


I was using the power source


Regarding the Primo, is there a noticeable difference in sound output between using the adapter vs. usb power?
dj_soo 3:26 AM - 5 March, 2019
So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?
DJ Tecniq 4:35 AM - 5 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?
Sadly i haven’t been able to play with it except once when i got it lol. Been using my SR2 for mobiles since the Primo doesn’t fit a case and i have my 1/half yr old son during the week who’s a handful and I never get the time unfortunately. Kids can be fun but they can really take up daddy time😕
dj_soo 4:59 AM - 5 March, 2019
half a year or year and a half. At half a year, I used to practice with my kid in the strap on harness and she'd eventually just fall asleep.

Once she hit like 2, shit like this started happening: www.facebook.com
dj_soo 5:00 AM - 5 March, 2019
this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.
Ollieboy 7:42 AM - 5 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Haven't had this issue in a while. Could be the angle of the which I was grabbing the jog wheel.
Ollieboy 7:54 AM - 5 March, 2019
The onboard effects work good but I find them a little too sensitive with the knob only at 1 o' clock The keylock button could be at a different location as it's close to the autoloop. I think the pads could be made a bit more sturdier but they work ok so far. I just don't know how much banging the pads can handle before they become unresponsive. The sound is excellent though. Still a great buy for the price IMHO.
DJ Tecniq 9:48 AM - 5 March, 2019
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A year and a half and getting into everything😭 Snapped one of our window blinds in half today to be exact. Too active for me to play with my DJ toys😬 But i do enjoy my time with him he’s just curious about everything will be 2 in July. Time flies
DJ Tecniq 9:52 AM - 5 March, 2019
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Once she hit like 2, shit like this started happening: www.facebook.com
Oh shit lol...sounded good though. Hit me up if you want to get direct audio instead of microphone noise I can help you.
DJ Nin 3:43 PM - 5 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.
Res-Q 3:48 PM - 5 March, 2019
Any of you guys tried to play vinyl with it?

- How do the phono preamps sound?
- Do the eq work while spinning vinyl?

Asking because on the SR2 it only works with DVS and you can't eq or spin any vinyl record for the matter
dj_soo 7:36 PM - 5 March, 2019
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Once she hit like 2, shit like this started happening: www.facebook.com
Oh shit lol...sounded good though. Hit me up if you want to get direct audio instead of microphone noise I can help you.


I’ve figured it out a while ago. My kid is hitting kindergarten in sept - can’t wait to get little bit of a life back.
Dj Youkai 9:34 PM - 6 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?
Ollieboy 7:46 PM - 7 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?

Only the left but narrowed it down to a grounding issue.
Ollieboy 7:50 PM - 7 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?

Actually the scrubbing issue was probably the angle I was grabbing the platter.
DJ Alibi 2:35 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Any of you guys tried to play vinyl with it?

- How do the phono preamps sound?
- Do the eq work while spinning vinyl?

i use it with 2 Numark PT01 Scratch! sounds great! can even use the 4 onboard effects with it, and DVS works great!

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Barnum 3:32 PM - 9 March, 2019
Hey guys, I’m still kind of a new DJ and am looking at the Primo and SR2. I’m want to know a side-by-side feature comparison of these two and also your opinion of why I should buy whichever one you choose. On a side note, please only compare these two I’ve listed. This would be really helpful. Please reply soon! Thanks guys!

P.S. does the Primo include Serato Pro?
PL_Se 4:09 PM - 9 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.



Midi issues for me.

The pitch fader accuracy is the main issue so far.
It's a 100 mm slider but the resolution is definitely too low (about 0.15 bpm) so you can't get an accurate manual beatmatching. There are shorter pitch faders that have a much higher resolution.
It looks like the slider is working in 7-bit mode only (it only sends one control change midi message).
It's unclear to date if it also supports 14-bit mode which would improve the resolution a lot.

The FX beats endless rotary encoder not always works like it should. 2 or 3 clicks (instead of one) are often needed to adjust the beats.

The play button occasionally fails to start a track (it looks like the track starts and stops at the the same time) and you have to hit it once again.
Ollieboy 5:03 PM - 9 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.



Midi issues for me.

The pitch fader accuracy is the main issue so far.
It's a 100 mm slider but the resolution is definitely too low (about 0.15 bpm) so you can't get an accurate manual beatmatching. There are shorter pitch faders that have a much higher resolution.
It looks like the slider is working in 7-bit mode only (it only sends one control change midi message).
It's unclear to date if it also supports 14-bit mode which would improve the resolution a lot.

The FX beats endless rotary encoder not always works like it should. 2 or 3 clicks (instead of one) are often needed to adjust the beats.

The play button occasionally fails to start a track (it looks like the track starts and stops at the the same time) and you have to hit it once again.

Should report these so they can fix it on the next firmware upgrade.
Ollieboy 5:04 PM - 9 March, 2019
Btw
youtu.be
Ollieboy 5:06 PM - 9 March, 2019
In case you need to do a fader calibration or firmware upgrade. Here you go.
youtu.be
WildcardX 6:00 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Hey guys, I’m still kind of a new DJ and am looking at the Primo and SR2. I’m want to know a side-by-side feature comparison of these two and also your opinion of why I should buy whichever one you choose. On a side note, please only compare these two I’ve listed. This would be really helpful. Please reply soon! Thanks guys!

P.S. does the Primo include Serato Pro?

It's in the listed hardware as Serato DJ Pro supported (This hardware unlocks Serato DJ Pro for free when plugged into the software.)

serato.com
DJ Tecniq 6:03 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.
Ollieboy 6:12 PM - 9 March, 2019
Primo> SR2
DJ Tecniq 6:45 PM - 9 March, 2019
I got the Primo for $489 @ www.thedjhookup.com whichever you decide on do not pay full price ask what's the best deal you can get they'll usually work with you. Most online retailers will.
DJ Barnum 6:54 PM - 9 March, 2019
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I got the Primo for $489 @ www.thedjhookup.com whichever you decide on do not pay full price ask what's the best deal you can get they'll usually work with you. Most online retailers will.

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Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.



Thanks so much so just to clarify, in terms of “features offered”, which device has more than the other to offer? I’m trying to get one that will be more valuable to me and last me longer.
DJ Barnum 6:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
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P.S. does the Primo include Serato Pro?
Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.


In other words, which of these two is the best all-around DJ board: Primo or SR2?
DJ Tecniq 7:51 PM - 9 March, 2019
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In other words, which of these two is the best all-around DJ board: Primo or SR2?
They each have their own uses. I personally like the Primo better as it will have a jogwheel indicator that will surface in a future firmware update i also prefer the full 100mm pitch fader over the SR2. However there is no carry/laptop shelf case for the Primo yet so take that into consideration. My suggestion try out both if you can.
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
And there’s plenty on the primo that the sr2 doesn’t have.
DJ Barnum 11:10 PM - 9 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?
Ollieboy 12:30 AM - 10 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?

Yes. Btw, What system are you currently using?
dj_soo 1:07 AM - 10 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?


I think you’d be good with either personally.

On paper, the Mixars seems to be better in most categories in terms of features and sound quality, but I’ve never used it so I’ll let someone who has experience in both respond.

The big thing pioneer has on Mixars is just the track record of the company. While far from perfect over the years, pioneer gear works for the most part and if it doesn’t work, they are usually quick to address it.

The primo is the first controller from a relatively new company - and while the Duo seemed to be pretty good, it’s not like it was some revolutionary design - they just copied the traktor z2 and made it for serato. And given the recent rumors that they have been dropped by RCF and are either going independent or backed by someone else that we don’t know that could be a concern. Pioneer is not going anywhere and that guarantees, at least basic customer support for the foreseeable future whereas Mixars could potentially be one or two failed products away from closing up shop.
DJ Tecniq 1:44 AM - 10 March, 2019
The big thing is you can really customize a lot of settings with the SR2 in utility mode. I don’t think there’s anything you can really customize on the Primo except for the xfader. I have not seen a xfader replacement yet for the SR2. The innofader is not listed as compatible but u may be wrong.
DJ Tecniq 1:45 AM - 10 March, 2019
But I*
DJ Barnum 1:40 PM - 10 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?


I think you’d be good with either personally.

On paper, the Mixars seems to be better in most categories in terms of features and sound quality, but I’ve never used it so I’ll let someone who has experience in both respond.

The big thing pioneer has on Mixars is just the track record of the company. While far from perfect over the years, pioneer gear works for the most part and if it doesn’t work, they are usually quick to address it.

The primo is the first controller from a relatively new company - and while the Duo seemed to be pretty good, it’s not like it was some revolutionary design - they just copied the traktor z2 and made it for serato. And given the recent rumors that they have been dropped by RCF and are either going independent or backed by someone else that we don’t know that could be a concern. Pioneer is not going anywhere and that guarantees, at least basic customer support for the foreseeable future whereas Mixars could potentially be one or two failed products away from closing up shop.



Is Mixar really that close to closing up shop? If so, that makes me worried now to even purchase one. If they go under, that means no warranty support or anything :/ I just love the set up of the Mixar so much and it’s features. Also, the SR2 is like $200 more than the Mixar which is kind of lame. Not sure what to do.
DJ Barnum 5:10 PM - 10 March, 2019
Also, does the Mixar Primo allow you to change the sound effects on the FX nobs at the top like Pioneer boards?
dj_soo 5:40 PM - 10 March, 2019
No, Mixars isn’t close to closing up shop - but as a company, the chances of it happening is much higher than pioneer - which is set for a good while.
DJ Tecniq 6:22 PM - 10 March, 2019
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Yes you can change the built in Serato fx just like the SR2 at the top. And the Mixars unit is slightly smaller than the SR2.
DJ Barnum 12:53 PM - 11 March, 2019
Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

“Thanks for contacting us.
Mixars is part of RCF group, and under dB-Technologies since over 3 years and expanding every year in terms of products.
It is also the first time we hear about this very surprising rumor.”

Thanks for your help with everything. I just think before we spread rumors, we should try to seek out the truth first.
DJ Barnum 12:59 PM - 11 March, 2019
For those who live in the U.S. and need any possible warranty claims for there Primo or other Mixar products, here is a U.S. phone number and website. I had to ask to get this information because I couldn’t find it online myself.

“Our National distributors take care of service / after sales and warranty.
For the U.S. it's Mixware LLC (CA) www.mixware.net +1 818-578-4030”
DJ Tecniq 5:12 PM - 11 March, 2019
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Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

“Thanks for contacting us.
Mixars is part of RCF group, and under dB-Technologies since over 3 years and expanding every year in terms of products.
It is also the first time we hear about this very surprising rumor.”

Thanks for your help with everything. I just think before we spread rumors, we should try to seek out the truth first.
For the record I was never the one spreading the rumor. 🤷🏼‍♂️
HellNegative1 5:51 PM - 12 March, 2019
There is a new rumor about Mixars going under every year since the Duo released. I think a lot of it stems from the feud that occurred between Audio Innovate and Mixars in the past.

Mixars is not going anywhere. Their products have, so far, been rock solid and are very prevalent in the non electronic/hip-hop focused part of the DJ industry.
DJ JulioYEG 1:59 AM - 13 March, 2019
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Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

btw when you are saying your a new dj and asking about a controller you probably shouldnt correct someone or even worse correct the wrong person lmfao
dj_soo 4:14 AM - 13 March, 2019
it was clearly stated it was just a rumor - shouldn't take that at face value.

Incidentally, I noticed it's sold out at B&H (it's my store of choice when shopping in the US since they offer free shipping to canada) which is a good sign that it's moving units at least. I for one love seeing viable competition and choice in the market.

Also just checked DJhookup.com and it's sold out there as well.
boo-lee 12:10 PM - 13 March, 2019
My Mixars Primo arrived last friday and I must say that my first impressions are very positive. Build quality looks great, the looks are professional (certainly not a "cheap" impression). I also like the large jogs and faders for such a compact device.

I had a Pioneer DDJ-SX before and it doesn't feel like a downgrade at all.

Only minor downside is that the sound effects knob (for filter, noise etc.) is a bit too sensitive compared to the same knob on Pioneer devices.

Next saturday I will have my first all night gig with the Primo. I will let you guys know how it went.
DJ Stygma 3:03 PM - 13 March, 2019
DJ Tecniq, I have seen a few videos on YouTube with peeps having trouble with the Mixars Primo like the one linked, have you noticed any of these issues?

Watchwww.youtube.com
mixgoonie 3:16 PM - 13 March, 2019
This is a post that can be found on the youtube video :

hmmm, after i saw your vid i tried on Windows and had no problems..
DJ Tecniq 4:43 PM - 13 March, 2019
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DJ Tecniq, I have seen a few videos on YouTube with peeps having trouble with the Mixars Primo like the one linked, have you noticed any of these issues?

Watchwww.youtube.com
The Video you are describing was from a ground issue with his power strip or power outlet. He mentions that in the comments. Not sure why he hasn’t deleted the video yet but as for the jogwheels i have not had issues at all.
Ollieboy 8:52 PM - 13 March, 2019
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My Mixars Primo arrived last friday and I must say that my first impressions are very positive. Build quality looks great, the looks are professional (certainly not a "cheap" impression). I also like the large jogs and faders for such a compact device.

I had a Pioneer DDJ-SX before and it doesn't feel like a downgrade at all.

Only minor downside is that the sound effects knob (for filter, noise etc.) is a bit too sensitive compared to the same knob on Pioneer devices.

Next saturday I will have my first all night gig with the Primo. I will let you guys know how it went.


The other alternative is to use the Serato FX and assign the Filter knob to one of the 3 knobs up top
boo-lee 9:24 PM - 13 March, 2019
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The other alternative is to use the Serato FX and assign the Filter knob to one of the 3 knobs up top


Nice suggestion!
dj_soo 11:20 PM - 13 March, 2019
Is there a way to adjust the hardware filter resonance?
DJ Tecniq 2:47 AM - 14 March, 2019
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Is there a way to adjust the hardware filter resonance?
Trying to find this out myself. The filter fx are loud as hell. Too loud where it overpowers the song imo.
PL_Se 12:11 PM - 15 March, 2019
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Is there a way to adjust the hardware filter resonance?
Trying to find this out myself. The filter fx are loud as hell. Too loud where it overpowers the song imo.



There's no way to adjust the resonance but the filter knob in the mixer section has also midi functionality so you can easily assign it to the serato filter in the midi panel if you don't like the hardware filter parameters.
DJ Tecniq 12:22 AM - 16 March, 2019
Messed with the Primo today. Things i dislike. For a 100mm pitch slider it really skips bpm ranges. I don’t know if that’s the software itself cause when you move the pitch slider it takes awhile for SDJ to catch up like SDJ isn’t fast enough. For example i had a song playing at 101.1 bpm however the opposite deck would not reach 101.1 precisely it would skip to 101.2, 4, 6 etc and then other times the pitch accuracy is fine. It’s weird i didn’t think this would be an issue cause it’s a 100mm pitch slider so the accuracy “should” be there. My SR2 however has the same issue but is more accurate imo. I figured since the SR2 isn’t a full pitch slider that’s why that occurs. Basically you really have to fidget with the pitch slider on the primo.
DJ Tecniq 12:24 AM - 16 March, 2019
Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Stygma 12:26 AM - 16 March, 2019
Is that the same pitch slider that doesn’t click on the middle that you mentioned on the YouTube video or both of them?
DJ Tecniq 12:30 AM - 16 March, 2019
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Is that the same pitch slider that doesn’t click on the middle that you mentioned on the YouTube video or both of them?
Well here’s my other gripe. The halfway point should be highlighted in darker white font or bolder so that “we” know that’s the middle point. They really could of added more detail to that. A lot of times I’m fidgeting trying to find my 0” point esp in dark environments. They both click it’s just not very noticeable when in use. Usually you can move a pitch slider back n forth and know “exactly” where the middle point is cause the “click” determines that. But the slider is so smooth from beginning to end i feel they really missed that mark.
DJ Tecniq 5:34 AM - 18 March, 2019
Another thing. I can’t use the master volume in SDJ with my Primo...it is frozen and i can’t adjust the volume at all. I also have been having issues with the master LED levels redlining when my ch gain isn’t up high at all.
Mixmag19 9:56 AM - 18 March, 2019
Hi, i have the same problem! The master volume is locked when i connect my primo with my macbook. With no connection i can change the volume.
Last year the SX3 from Pioneer had the same problem. It was a hardware bug then...
I dont hope that the same problem with the primo appears...
Thanks.
DJ Stygma 12:23 PM - 18 March, 2019
I was about to order a Mixars Primo, but the more I hear, the more I think I will take a wait and see approach.
DJ Tecniq 8:45 PM - 18 March, 2019
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Yup May send mine back if this doesn’t get resolved. I will be contacting Mixars.
PL_Se 9:08 PM - 18 March, 2019
It looks like they are already working on a firmware update so it's the right time to discuss the issues we are experiencing and report them to Mixars and Serato to have a fully functional controller.
dj_soo 6:55 AM - 19 March, 2019
Gear always seems to be a game of compromises and ends up being what you're willing to put up with in order to get what you like.

For me, not having internal software master volume (which is likely a bug) isn't a problem for me since I never touch that and leave at a twelve and only use the hardware master volume.

The poor pitch resolution is disappointing tho - especially considering the large pitch faders are supposed to improve that.
DJ Tecniq 1:45 PM - 19 March, 2019
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The poor pitch resolution is disappointing tho - especially considering the large pitch faders are supposed to improve that.
And this is why i may just send it back. The poor pitch control is not accurate at all for what’s supposed to be a full 100mm pitch slider. It’s super disappointing. How do they expect a DJ to even mix with it when you have to fidget with the pitch control the entire time your playing songs. And the middle point is not in bold white font like the SR2 is. For a short pitch fader the SR2 is at least accurate when making small adjustments. I wish it were a full slider but i guess we have to have some limitations with a 2 ch deck which i think is just ridiculous. All DJ gear should have a full pitch slider.
DJ Tecniq 1:48 PM - 19 March, 2019
Really hoping a firmware update comes soon that will fix the pitch resolution. Has anyone tried the pro beta version? Maybe it’s a bug in the latest update?
DJ Stygma 2:06 PM - 19 March, 2019
Really getting sick and tired of companies releasing gear that is not ready and then trying to fix it with a firmware update. This thing was announced several years ago and consumers now have to wait for a firmware update to hopefully have it working right?

Pioneer releases the SX3 which needs a recall, same with the Rane 12's. The Rane 72 is getting firmware updates to get user basic things like saving FX preferences. Denon had multiple issues with the MC8000. I remember the Roland 808 having issues as well.

What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?
DJ Tecniq 2:30 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Really getting sick and tired of companies releasing gear that is not ready and then trying to fix it with a firmware update. This thing was announced several years ago and consumers now have to wait for a firmware update to hopefully have it working right?

Pioneer releases the SX3 which needs a recall, same with the Rane 12's. The Rane 72 is getting firmware updates to get user basic things like saving FX preferences. Denon had multiple issues with the MC8000. I remember the Roland 808 having issues as well.

What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?
You hit the nail on head. We’re paying good money for DJ gear that is not ready. I’m at a point where I may just send it back cause i don’t know how long it will be before this is fixed.
DJ Tecniq 2:32 PM - 19 March, 2019
The master volume staying frozen is not necessarily an issue but still concerning. This deck was seriously years overdue and I feel like a hardware tester which should not be the case.
DJ Tecniq 2:35 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Is that the same pitch slider that doesn’t click on the middle that you mentioned on the YouTube video or both of them?
I will have confirm if this happens on both sides. I’ll let you know.
DJ Tecniq 2:36 PM - 19 March, 2019
Have to*
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:50 PM - 19 March, 2019
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What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?


One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.
DJ Tecniq 2:54 PM - 19 March, 2019
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One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.
This I agree with however I preordered the SR2 also and it was spot on flawless. I may of gotten lucky.
PL_Se 4:45 PM - 19 March, 2019
In an unofficial contact I was told they have addressed the pitch fader low resolution and are working on it. Maybe firmware update fixing the issue in April.
However, an official position from Mixars or Serato would be appreciated.
DJ Nin 4:58 PM - 19 March, 2019
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I noticed this too. I'm redlining with my master at about 12 o'clock / channels gains around 11
DJ Nin 5:01 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️


There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
DJ Tecniq 5:03 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️


There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
Lol i never use sync but thanks for the recommendation👍🏼
DJ Nin 5:03 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️


There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
Lol i never use sync but thanks for the recommendation👍🏼


I don't either but I'm just saying it works that way
DJ Tecniq 11:52 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Yes hope they fix this. Really aggravating cause I’m not pushing that much sound but it’s redlining on the controller. It’s an inaccurate reading.
DJ Tecniq 11:54 PM - 19 March, 2019
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In an unofficial contact I was told they have addressed the pitch fader low resolution and are working on it. Maybe firmware update fixing the issue in April.
However, an official position from Mixars or Serato would be appreciated.
Thank god but agreed Mixars should of addressed this it’s really horrible. Making tiny pitch movements doesn’t respond well with the virtual deck. Def not in sync for the two.
cosmicbaggy 12:24 PM - 20 March, 2019
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What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?


One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.


I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...
DJ Stygma 1:24 PM - 20 March, 2019
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I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...


If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with the 505 and what did they fix? That is on my maybe list too
dj_soo 2:49 PM - 20 March, 2019
505 has a widespread platter problem where you will lose all control over a deck requiring a controller restart. It was a manufacturing issue that requires a send-back to roland to fix.

Aside from that, it also has an issue with their vinyl preamps and DVS where high-output needles like Shure M44-7s would not track properly in DVS - not sure what happened with that issue.
DJ Tecniq 3:33 PM - 20 March, 2019
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505 has a widespread platter problem where you will lose all control over a deck requiring a controller restart. It was a manufacturing issue that requires a send-back to roland to fix.

Aside from that, it also has an issue with their vinyl preamps and DVS where high-output needles like Shure M44-7s would not track properly in DVS - not sure what happened with that issue.
I heard this same thing like the Phono preamps were fucked up.
DJ Tecniq 3:52 PM - 20 March, 2019
^ What’s Interesting about that I’ve never seen a video clip of the 505 in DVS mode using Shure needles it’s always Ortofons. But this may be a flaw with the first batches I would hope they have corrected it by now.
cosmicbaggy 4:27 PM - 20 March, 2019
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I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...


If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with the 505 and what did they fix? That is on my maybe list too


Here's the thread on here: serato.com

Basically, the deck/platter had a hardware failure and needed sending back to Roland be repaired (They were very responsive/quick to fix tbf). Not sure if this issue was just with the first batch of units (I got mine on pre-order/release day) and has since been resolved or it's ongoing with later batches so i wouldnt buy a used unit that's for sure...
DJ Stygma 5:11 PM - 20 March, 2019
Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.
DJ Tecniq 5:30 PM - 20 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.
Have not tried the 505 but from what I’ve heard it sounds better than the SX2. For some reason Pioneer uses really cheap sound cards. My SR2 i think sounds better than the SX2. However I’ve been running my controller through another sound mixer and they specifically built it with high grade sound outputs and mic preamp. I run my full sound into this Yamaha board. What a huge difference. My shit sounds so clean now👌🏼 Thing is controllers seem to really lack good sound quality. When I run my sound through this I’m blown away. Def a solution if you still want your sx2 but with better sound quality. www.amazon.com
Mr. Goodkat 6:02 PM - 20 March, 2019
505 is really poorly built all the way around. i had one for a couple days and took it back. cool concept though and would probably be fine at home
jprime 6:11 PM - 20 March, 2019
How's the Primo for DVS? Anyone using the classic Shures with it?
DJ Tecniq 6:17 PM - 20 March, 2019
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How's the Primo for DVS? Anyone using the classic Shures with it?
No issue i think the Phono preamp on the Primo sounds better than mine SR2. The DVS sounds fantastic in the Primo almost identical to my Pioneer S9 if not same.
DJ Tecniq 6:18 PM - 20 March, 2019
My SR2*
jprime 6:52 PM - 20 March, 2019
I ordered from a site I thought was US based. Got an email receipt saying "We'll email you when it's in stock."

Like :/ come on. I have a show to play end of April I'd like to use it at.
dj_soo 12:48 AM - 21 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.


The sound card is incredible. Best sounding controller I’ve ever heard (I haven’t had experience with the 808 tho).
cosmicbaggy 6:16 AM - 21 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.


The sound card is incredible. Best sounding controller I’ve ever heard (I haven’t had experience with the 808 tho).


Agree the sound is fantastic. I use in bars and clubs and it's right up there.
Johnnynights 8:30 PM - 21 March, 2019
Hey are you guys with the primo experiencing the pitch not so accurate?

Another one I gotta ask when the channel gains on the primo are not touched yet and I start playing music the leds dont light up until I move the channel knob..maybe a small bug..

I will try to make a video when it does it.
DJ Tecniq 8:46 PM - 21 March, 2019
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Hey are you guys with the primo experiencing the pitch not so accurate
Scroll up lol. Apparently it’s said this will get fixed in a firmware update. The pitch resolution is all fucked up.
Johnnynights 12:54 AM - 22 March, 2019
Barely saw that lol...good thing then if they are going to fix it..no wonder I was like is it me or this thing is no good lol.
dj_soo 5:33 AM - 22 March, 2019
I’m kind of glad that it’s going to take so long for the primo to make it to Canada. Gives them time to iron out the kinks.

Same thing happened with the 72 - by the time I got it, they were already at 1.2 firmware and 1.3 was in beta - those two updates really improved the mixer and addressed some early issues.
GC-Intl 10:50 AM - 22 March, 2019
anyone facing the same problem that the mixars website is down?

would love to the firmware update but no way to download it
GC-Intl 11:42 AM - 22 March, 2019
Ciao Mark.
Thanks for contating us.
We hope to have it back running very soon! It has been hijacked somehow so we keep it close for now until the technical team manages to solve the issue.
Sorry for the inconvenience !
In case you need any files feel free to let us know and we might send them here.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
boo-lee 12:04 PM - 22 March, 2019
The site is back online!

Dear Mixars team, any idea when the low resolution pitch slider issue will be fixed?
DJ Tecniq 5:12 PM - 22 March, 2019
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would love to the firmware update but no way to download it
There is no firmware update as of yet. We’re all partiently waiting.
DJ Stygma 12:34 PM - 26 March, 2019
The fact that the website is still down is the final straw for me, I don't even know if they exist as a company anymore and even if there was a firmware update, how would we know or be able to download it?

This sucks to, because of all the 2-channel mixers I have seen, this one seemed to have the best features, I didn't have to sacrifice a lot of control going from a SX2.
boo-lee 12:56 PM - 26 March, 2019
The website is not down ...
DJ Stygma 1:14 PM - 26 March, 2019
it was earlier this morning, I even checked again before I posted, but you are correct, it looks like it is up now.
DJ Tecniq 3:19 PM - 26 March, 2019
Here’s the reply i received this morning. It will be fixed but in a future update. I too am concerned about the pitch resolution it’s like pulling teeth trying to mix something. Was going to return mine but I’ll hold off really want the led ring😬

Ciao Steven.
Thanks for contating us and purchasing Primo.
The pitch resolution will be addressed with a firmware update and probably the next Serato patch such as other minor adjustments. Also the LED ring function will be finally implemented in the next Serato patch.
We remain at your disposal and wish you a great day!
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
DJ Stygma 3:25 PM - 26 March, 2019
so when they say next Serato patch, does that mean they are saying Serato has to patch in the ability to make the LED's work?
DJ Tecniq 3:28 PM - 26 March, 2019
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so when they say next Serato patch, does that mean they are saying Serato has to patch in the ability to make the LED's work?
Yes i was told it’s software related. However the led indicator works already but only when a track is near the end (20) seconds or so. It looks pretty cool just not a full feature yet.
DJ Stygma 3:35 PM - 26 March, 2019
So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?
boo-lee 3:51 PM - 26 March, 2019
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So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?


I actually like it very much (except for these issues). It's a compact but fully featured controller, looks good, sounds good.
DJ Tecniq 4:59 PM - 26 March, 2019
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So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?


I actually like it very much (except for these issues). It's a compact but fully featured controller, looks good, sounds good.
Same when those specific issues are fixed I’m sure I’ll love it. The sound quality w/DVS/Phono vinyl playback is really awesome. They def will prob address the master levels redlining too as that has been an issue for me.
DJ Tecniq 4:59 PM - 26 March, 2019
I will try to get a video of the issues and post it.
DJ Tecniq 6:34 AM - 27 March, 2019
Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 7:02 AM - 27 March, 2019
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Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
To mention I was just messing around. Some mixes were completely off and at times i forgot the vinyl was over. It’s been awhile since i got to throw down some real vinyl. However I used a separate sound card connected to the Primo for the live feed. I didn’t think about using the Mixars Primo soundcard so next time I’ll test that.
DJ Stygma 12:17 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
To mention I was just messing around. Some mixes were completely off and at times i forgot the vinyl was over. It’s been awhile since i got to throw down some real vinyl. However I used a separate sound card connected to the Primo for the live feed. I didn’t think about using the Mixars Primo soundcard so next time I’ll test that.


Thanks for directing us to the video, and for all your help with my questions.
DJ Tecniq 6:29 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Thanks for directing us to the video, and for all your help with my questions.
No prob i try my best to be helpful in everything DJ related. I’m amazed by the sound quality on this controller. The Phono preamp is very robust and just sounds so clean. The XLR output really sounds great for a controller being so cheap they really built it with high quality preamps which is so important.
DJ Tecniq 7:17 PM - 27 March, 2019
Considering i didn’t have any issues with the Primo as a stand-alone mixer. The firmware will fix the software issues. The issues I’ve had are all just software related. My main concerns are listed below.

1. Pitch resolution is not accurate esp for a full 100mm pitch slider. (Software only)

2. Master LED’s on the controller redline/clip easily when gain ch volume is barely up (software related)

I’ll try to think of more things that need tweaked but so far I’ve tested the RCA, XLR Master & Booth outputs. All sound fantastic on my Rokit KRK studio monitors.
DJ Stygma 7:26 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Considering i didn’t have any issues with the Primo as a stand-alone mixer. The firmware will fix the software issues. The issues I’ve had are all just software related. My main concerns are listed below.

1. Pitch resolution is not accurate esp for a full 100mm pitch slider. (Software only)

2. Master LED’s on the controller redline/clip easily when gain ch volume is barely up (software related)

I’ll try to think of more things that need tweaked but so far I’ve tested the RCA, XLR Master & Booth outputs. All sound fantastic on my Rokit KRK studio monitors.


This is great news, since I have a SX@ that works perfectly and a WeGo3 as a back-up, I can afford to wait until the fixes are made to get the Primo, so please keep us informed. I am interested in them fixing the issues and the Jog Wheel indicator working and then I will scoop it up quick. Hopefully by then they also have a decksaver for it.
DJ Tecniq 9:49 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Hopefully by then they also have a decksaver for it.
Bro I’m in that same boat. Need a decksaver and oddyssey case w/laptop shelf for it. So far there’s been nothing yet. Really need to protect this bad boy.
DJ Alibi 1:31 AM - 28 March, 2019
i think the pitch thing may be a Hardware issue? because that was the only problem that i kind of noticed, at all, using the Primo with the "alternative software" (temporary using until serato gets kinks worked out) i didn't really recognize it that much til i read it here lol, but it wasn't that much of a problem in either software, but i am not that picky i guess, i just pitch bended my way into success lol, i did find myself changing the percentage a little though, but hey, I am glad there is some sort of confirmation of an update coming...
DJ Alibi 1:33 AM - 28 March, 2019
by the way i think its still in stock at Zzounds? (i saw a post about somebody wanting to buy one still)
dj_soo 1:58 AM - 28 March, 2019
seems to be sold out everywhere at this point. Next shipment, I've seen anywhere from a couple weeks til may according to the store.

Glad the controller is doing well - more incentive to fix the problems.
DJ Tecniq 4:27 AM - 28 March, 2019
In stock at AMS
www.americanmusical.com
DJ Alibi 1:59 AM - 29 March, 2019
DJ Jakey Chan 1:03 PM - 31 March, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be


Did you work out what this was or has anyone else had this issue ? I've had this happen to me intermittently using the same set ups sometimes it does it sometimes not, I see you mention a grounding issue maybe but like I say mine seems to be doing it randomly sometimes to the extend where the whole jog acts as the side touch and only lets me nudge ( vinyl mode is def enabled ) mine also seems to only be happening on the left side jog wheel
DJ Tecniq 4:11 PM - 31 March, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be


Did you work out what this was or has anyone else had this issue ? I've had this happen to me intermittently using the same set ups sometimes it does it sometimes not, I see you mention a grounding issue maybe but like I say mine seems to be doing it randomly sometimes to the extend where the whole jog acts as the side touch and only lets me nudge ( vinyl mode is def enabled ) mine also seems to only be happening on the left side jog wheel
Which power source are you connected at? Check the power source could be a bad ground.
PL_Se 6:12 PM - 31 March, 2019
I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.
DJ Tecniq 6:50 PM - 31 March, 2019
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I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.
Maybe this is a bug and will be fixed in firmware.
DJ Jakey Chan 12:19 AM - 1 April, 2019
Had it connected by the power plug in different sockets in different places and also tried in usb mode and it has done it in all so im guessing its not a grounding issue, any idea when firmware update is coming out ?
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I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.


Have you sent you unit back or are you keeping it till firmware update ?
PL_Se 10:27 AM - 1 April, 2019
It's one of the issues I reported to Mixars.
Waiting for the update.
No official release date as of yet.
Martin 83 10:43 AM - 1 April, 2019
Hello Guys, I have been struggeling with Primo since it arrived a week ago. To put it simply it does not work or I have not been able to set it up correctly. I did this:

1.Download drivers for Windows from mixars.com, but the drivers are unavailible, I thought that is wierd.

2.Download Serato Dj Pro, I did and Serato has a driver for primo,I thought happy days.
But after installing the drivers and activaciting Serato. The Primo buttons do not work,it activates serato, I can see it in Windows as a sound card,Serato says the Primo is connected,but the controller stays dimly lit and buttons do not work.

Any Ideas please?BTW I have been in touch with Serato support,Mixars have not responded to my two previous email. So I've called them today and some Dona gave me number to one guy who said he was busy and on the way to airport and suggested I should send him an email. Well done Serato,not very happy Mixars
PL_Se 12:21 PM - 1 April, 2019
It sounds more like a wrong setup.
Preliminary test: After you have launched SDJ and turned the Primo on, is the mixars logo in the center of the jogwheel brightly lit?
Martin 83 1:00 PM - 1 April, 2019
Hi, no it is not. After I turn Primo on in SDJ it flashes from bottom to the top and then stays lit dimly when pluged thorough USB, when I use external power supply and USB after it flashes only shift button stays lit dimly.
Martin 83 2:45 PM - 1 April, 2019
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It sounds more like a wrong setup.
Preliminary test: After you have launched SDJ and turned the Primo on, is the mixars logo in the center of the jogwheel brightly lit?

No it is not
PL_Se 3:03 PM - 1 April, 2019
Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.
Martin 83 3:06 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.
PL_Se 3:20 PM - 1 April, 2019
try and let me know.

Edit: the 'ctrl' midi indicator in traktor is above the left deck
Martin 83 3:36 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.


I have done all above no change.When I mapped the play button in SDJ there was no response at all. I have tried Traktor 2 as you suggested and the midi indicator does not light up, although I can see Mixars audio Card in Traktor preference.

And yes for one week I have been updating my computer drivers reinstalling USB drivers and I have been through Serato troubleshooting. I have even tried to install Primo on two different computer, one of them was Mac. And still nothing, I really want this controller, but I am wondering whether my unit is not faulty.
Martin 83 5:31 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.


I have done all above no change.When I mapped the play button in SDJ there was no response at all. I have tried Traktor 2 as you suggested and the midi indicator does not light up, although I can see Mixars audio Card in Traktor preference.

And yes for one week I have been updating my computer drivers reinstalling USB drivers and I have been through Serato troubleshooting. I have even tried to install Primo on two different computer, one of them was Mac. And still nothing, I really want this controller, but I am wondering whether my unit is not faulty.


Something has happened after installing couple of updates. Now the controller is brightly lit and leds are indicating signál next to corrections when I Virtual play a track in SDJ, also when I load the track up and I can see leds on the jógs going around.
Primo is now differently lit then previously. Before connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are Green, when connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are blue. It looks like we are Getting somewhere, but the buttons, nobs, nothing works so far.
DJ Tecniq 6:05 PM - 1 April, 2019
Odd. Did you try a diffferent USB port on the computer?
Martin 83 6:17 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Odd. Did you try a diffferent USB port on the computer?


I did,all three of them. One of the USB ports is USB 3.0 but made no difference.
DJ Tecniq 6:23 PM - 1 April, 2019
Maybe it is defective However when i tried my Primo i was using an outdated version of SDJ so had to update for support. I would try a previous version of SDJ Pro like the version that first added support for the controller.
evergreenMelody 6:33 PM - 1 April, 2019
Appreciate all the info in this thread, been following along for a couple weeks now and close to pulling the trigger on the Primo.

The issues with the pitch resolution are worrying though, one of the main reasons I'm considering this over the SR2 are the pitch faders being much longer, I only ever use Sync when using in conjunction with Live (Link) so accurate pitch is a must 90% of the time.

The possibility of the LED track indicator on the jog wheels in a firmware update makes this almost the perfect controller for what I'm looking for.

I really hope Mixars can get those issues resolved the SR2 has too many limitations for me and the SX3 is too big.

Would be interested to hear opinions on the filter/fx, and how they compare to the on-board Pioneer fx.
boo-lee 7:12 PM - 1 April, 2019
I prefer the Pioneer filter effect.
DJ Tecniq 8:33 PM - 1 April, 2019
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I prefer the Pioneer filter effect.
Same have not figured out how to change the beat parameter for fx.
PL_Se 8:37 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Something has happened after installing couple of updates. Now the controller is brightly lit and leds are indicating signál next to corrections when I Virtual play a track in SDJ, also when I load the track up and I can see leds on the jógs going around.
Primo is now differently lit then previously. Before connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are Green, when connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are blue. It looks like we are Getting somewhere, but the buttons, nobs, nothing works so far.


What kind of updates?
Are you sure you don't have PC issues?
Can you test another SDJ supported controller with your PC?
DJ Tecniq 2:24 AM - 3 April, 2019
Decided to try my own rendition of this mix after i saw a dude go viral mixing country over hip hop lol. Have not had any platter issues yet. This mix was recorded using Screenflow for Mac & the Mixars Primo soundcard. Lol enjoy
www.dropbox.com
DJ Tecniq 2:25 AM - 3 April, 2019
Here’s the original post on fb
www.facebook.com
DJ JulioYEG 2:27 AM - 3 April, 2019
djing? buddy is using vdj home. i like his hd drive tho lol
DJ Tecniq 2:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
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djing? buddy is using vdj home. i like his hd drive tho lol
Apparently it’s an edit he produced not sure if he’s doing it live or not and he could be using Serato play🤔...maybe

Credit: Fat Tony www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 2:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
DJ JulioYEG 4:47 AM - 3 April, 2019
im tryna see u cut up with that primo fader and ur tt abit lol
DJ Tecniq 5:05 AM - 3 April, 2019
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im tryna see u cut up with that primo fader and ur tt abit lol
Sorry man did this when my son was napping so didn’t even mess with the t-tables. For some reason at first i had issues w/DVS. I had to go to the scope view and change the threshold to the left just to get a signal or even audio for that matter. Guessing it’s another bug w/SDJ😕. I calibrated and nothing happened at first🤷🏼‍♂️ Also i had to zoom in on the scope view just to see my control vinyl signal. I don’t think it’s the controller but more a software issue. Def felt like beta testing😬
Ollieboy 6:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:47 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
Seen this video already however this scrubbing issue is not a problem with my Primo so I’m confused why Serato confirmed this???
DJ Tecniq 6:55 AM - 3 April, 2019
Also when i hit the fx and then drop the fader on the primo they don’t act as post fader after the fx been applied...really hope this firmware comes soon. I recall hearing the primo is post fader but not positive🤷🏼‍♂️
Ollieboy 6:58 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
Seen this video already however this scrubbing issue is not a problem with my Primo so I’m confused why Serato confirmed this???

Apparently they were able to recreate the problem. The issue is still there. Try baby scratching the first beat of a song and you'll notice it. Even if it's just a little. Put some pressure in the platter.
DJ Tecniq 7:05 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Apparently they were able to recreate the problem. The issue is still there. Try baby scratching the first beat of a song and you'll notice it. Even if it's just a little. Put some pressure in the platter.
Very odd can you confirm if you were using pitch n’ Time? And which OS you are using? I have tried all kinds of scratching but was not necessarily on the very edge of the platter my hands stay in the middle outerside of the jogwheel.
DJ Tecniq 11:09 PM - 4 April, 2019
Can anyone get post fader fx to work on their Primo? I echo out then drop the fader but the sound does not cut off. Is primo not post fader? Just curious
Serato, Support
Mike.C 11:22 PM - 4 April, 2019
Works for me! Are you using the SDJ Echo out, or the hardware echo effect?

Either way, both have post-fader FX behaviour if I increase the depth then pull the fader down.

Actually, after reading that again, it sounds like you are wanting pre-fader FX if you expect the sound to cut off when you pull the fader down.

Post-fader FX will have an effect tail if you pull the fader down for any time-based effect types.
DJ Tecniq 11:44 PM - 4 April, 2019
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Works for me! Are you using the SDJ Echo out, or the hardware echo effect?

Either way, both have post-fader FX behaviour if I increase the depth then pull the fader down.

Actually, after reading that again, it sounds like you are wanting pre-fader FX if you expect the sound to cut off when you pull the fader down.

Post-fader FX will have an effect tail if you pull the fader down for any time-based effect types.
just using the fx button at the top. I used “clean echo out” then dropped the fader. It fades the audio but does not cut the audio off after the faders been dropped. Like there’s a delay. My SR2 works completely opposite and when i drop the fader the audio is finally off some reason the Primo doesn’t act the same way when fx are applied...Hrmmm
Magico 7:37 PM - 5 April, 2019
Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
DJ Tecniq 8:13 PM - 5 April, 2019
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Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
There is no update as of yet. What’s interesting is the link for the primo manual isn’t available. Their website needs to be redone it’s terrible.
DJ Tecniq 8:13 PM - 5 April, 2019
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Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
There is no update as of yet. What’s interesting is the link for the primo manual isn’t available. Their website needs to be redone it’s terrible.
Magico 9:21 PM - 5 April, 2019
DJ Tecniq 1:23 AM - 6 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?
Ollieboy 1:53 AM - 6 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?

He's the tech support at Mixars.
DJ Alibi 1:59 AM - 6 April, 2019
In the video , the update says "DUO" but it "works with Quattro and Primo" wow lol
DJ Alibi 2:03 AM - 6 April, 2019
ok so it looks like the "updater" is the program that is for ALL, but not the actual PRIMO "update" itself , 1.09 is the initial version...
DJ Tecniq 5:50 AM - 6 April, 2019
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In the video , the update says "DUO" but it "works with Quattro and Primo" wow lol
agreed and he never showed the led indicator
mabbs 7:35 AM - 6 April, 2019
I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am.

My left jog wheel was also a bit temperamental initially, almost felt like it was grinding when i applied any pressure. Seemed to resolve itself after about 30 mins of play. I used the Primo at s gig last night and it sounded great, just found the pitch issue annoying and I don’t trust the jog wheel now 😂
DJ Tecniq 4:14 PM - 6 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.
mabbs 6:07 PM - 6 April, 2019
It does seem crazy that something like this isn’t picked up during testing. As long as it’s fixed fairly quickly, I’ll be happy.
DJ Tecniq 6:09 PM - 6 April, 2019
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It does seem crazy that something like this isn’t picked up during testing. As long as it’s fixed fairly quickly, I’ll be happy.
Same
HellNegative1 6:36 PM - 6 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.



Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 7 April, 2019
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Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.
Don’t use Traktor not really interesting in trying it. I’m also avoiding the firmware update on the Primo cause it’s not specifically for the controller itself as of yet not sure it would help anything as I’ve not had platter issues occur.
Martin 83 7:06 PM - 7 April, 2019
I am sending my Primo back tomorrow. I have not been able to set it up for two weeks. Mixars Tech support is rather terrible.

1.installed SDJ
2.drivers for Primo from SDJ
Mixars website is useless
3.Activated SDJ
Primo activated.

If I manually load track in SDJ the led on jog deals respond.
If I play track ib SDJ, volume meter starts
working.But there is no sound

But no buttons, knobs or faders work.
I asked Mixars for firmware 1.09 and drivers, I was told that it is uptodate and driver comes with SDJ. Well this Primo does not work and I will send it back tomorrow.
DJ Tecniq 7:10 PM - 7 April, 2019
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I am sending my Primo back tomorrow. I have not been able to set it up for two weeks. Mixars Tech support is rather terrible.

1.installed SDJ
2.drivers for Primo from SDJ
Mixars website is useless
3.Activated SDJ
Primo activated.

If I manually load track in SDJ the led on jog deals respond.
If I play track ib SDJ, volume meter starts
working.But there is no sound

But no buttons, knobs or faders work.
I asked Mixars for firmware 1.09 and drivers, I was told that it is uptodate and driver comes with SDJ. Well this Primo does not work and I will send it back tomorrow.
First. Have you made sure the Serato decks are in “INT” mode nothing will work functional unless you are in internal mode which is the main play mode for controllers which you should know.
DJ Tecniq 7:11 PM - 7 April, 2019
And what are the specs on your laptop this matters greatly for SDJ software.
Martin 83 8:40 PM - 7 April, 2019
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And what are the specs on your laptop this matters greatly for SDJ software.


I tried on two different PCs one of them was Mac, I also tried older SDJ.
PL_Se 9:17 PM - 7 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.



Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.


The pitch slider resolution is pretty much the same with traktor and rekordbox.
The pitch slider is currently working in a standard 7-bit midi mode (only one Control Change number in the midi message) so you have no more than 128 steps to adjust the tempo from min. to max. That's why manual beatmaching can't be accurate. This is even more evident if you select two decimal places in SDJ setup.
14-bit midi messages are needed to get high resolution. The target should be a resolution of 0.01 bpm.
cosmicbaggy 7:32 AM - 8 April, 2019
Sounds like the controller version of an Italian supercar.

Great to look at but always in the garage... 😔
DJ Illnaughty 4:21 PM - 8 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?


Because he does Tech support for Mixars in the US. I work with him. We both work for Mixware (the US distributor)
DJ Tecniq 4:44 PM - 8 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?


Because he does Tech support for Mixars in the US. I work with him. We both work for Mixware (the US distributor)
Oh cool now that we all know this what does it exactly do does this fix the jog will indicator light for playhead. The video doesn’t exactly describe anything.
DJ Stygma 3:18 PM - 9 April, 2019
DJ Worx just posted on their Instagram that they have a unit, so they should be reviewing it. I mentioned he problem everyone was having with the pitch fader in the comments.
DJ Tecniq 4:12 PM - 9 April, 2019
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DJ Worx just posted on their Instagram that they have a unit, so they should be reviewing it. I mentioned he problem everyone was having with the pitch fader in the comments.
Dope maybe the buzz will get Mixars to get their shit together. Sorry not sorry🤷🏼‍♂️ Should of been ready to go out the box👌🏼
DJ Tecniq 8:22 PM - 9 April, 2019
Cane up with this while my son was napping. Few cuts on the Primo.
www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 8:22 PM - 9 April, 2019
Came*
dj_soo 9:14 PM - 9 April, 2019
nice demo of how the LED ring could work.

So that's standard in the unit - but only when the track is running out?

Odd that they didn't think to just put that in there.
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 9 April, 2019
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nice demo of how the LED ring could work.

So that's standard in the unit - but only when the track is running out?

Odd that they didn't think to just put that in there.
Precisely it was an Aca Out edit which is why you saw the LED ring playhead 20 secs into the end it kicks in.
DJ Illnaughty 10:03 PM - 9 April, 2019
What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
DJ Tecniq 3:49 AM - 10 April, 2019
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What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
Thank god! Hope we get the update soon i really love the controller. My other question is there a way to change the echo parameter i noticed the built in fx could have more accuracy if we could change it for 1/2 parameter i think it’s on 1 length by default.
DJ Tecniq 3:53 AM - 10 April, 2019
My other concern...can’t access the primo manual can you hire a monkey to fix the website🤔 mixars.com
DJ Illnaughty 5:36 PM - 10 April, 2019
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What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
Thank god! Hope we get the update soon i really love the controller. My other question is there a way to change the echo parameter i noticed the built in fx could have more accuracy if we could change it for 1/2 parameter i think it’s on 1 length by default.



Let me look into this today, I noticed the same thing
mabbs 10:18 PM - 10 April, 2019
I sent mine back for a refund today. I’ve had no response from Mixars after the best part of a week and Serato’s feedback was that they know nothing of the pitch issue and to contact Mixars directly. I guess that’s fair enough but just a reassuring ‘yes we’re aware and Mixars are working on a fix’ or similar might have made a difference.

Could well pick it up again if and when the bugs are ironed out. Back to the MC4000 I go 🤷‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 11:18 AM - 11 April, 2019
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I sent mine back for a refund today. I’ve had no response from Mixars after the best part of a week and Serato’s feedback was that they know nothing of the pitch issue and to contact Mixars directly. I guess that’s fair enough but just a reassuring ‘yes we’re aware and Mixars are working on a fix’ or similar might have made a difference.

Could well pick it up again if and when the bugs are ironed out. Back to the MC4000 I go 🤷‍♂️
Damn that sucks. Like many in this thread Mixars have mentioned they are working on a fix I even quoted their reply in here about that. It’s been told the pitch issue has to be a firmware fix which has nothing to do with software that’s hardware in general. For those wanted to hear the true sound quality of the Mixars here’s the soundcard audio. This short demo mix was recorded using Screenflow software and I used the Mixars Primo soundcard as the audio source for Screenflow for the video. While the pitch issue is a huge concern im gonna keep mine and wait for the update I have a DDJSR2 also for backup. Once the pitch issue is corrected and the jogwheel indicator this will be a bad ass controller.
www.dropbox.com
DJ Stygma 10:30 PM - 15 April, 2019
DDJ-800 for Rekordbox is being teased by Digital DJ Tips, 2channel mixer with same jog display as the DDJ-1000
DJ Stygma 11:54 PM - 15 April, 2019
youtu.be I wish they would release a 2 channel mixer like this for Serato
DJ Tecniq 3:00 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.
DJ JulioYEG 3:55 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.

more features than the 1000 it sounds like
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:33 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.


Great looking unit!

Pioneer + Rekordbox are sticking to their long game.

Best 2 controllers out there...visually.

Rekordbox DJ is not too bad either. I have the DDJ400.

My initial qualms with rkbx was the lack of mixed media playlist. I found a workaround on YouTube for that.

Rkbx 4.0 (last version before they introduced video) could actually combine mp4 and audio in a single list. I create the playlist in 4.0 and when I'm using the latest 5.3 the mixed playlist is available to use. Not ideal but it's a workaround.
DJ Tecniq 7:37 AM - 16 April, 2019
I have a feeling a Version of the DDJ 800 will be available for Serato soon. They all know Serato djs want it and it’s just more money in their pocket. Serato is the leading software it’s not a debate.
DJ Tecniq 7:39 AM - 16 April, 2019
However I have to give them props on releasing a 2 ch version of the 1000. I have not read or found out if it’s dvs compatible. Would be dope but the 1000 doesn’t even have DVS. Really not worth it imo.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:51 AM - 16 April, 2019
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However I have to give them props on releasing a 2 ch version of the 1000. I have not read or found out if it’s dvs compatible. Would be dope but the 1000 doesn’t even have DVS. Really not worth it imo.


youtu.be

The 800 promo vid has TTs plugged in as well

Anyways. Back to Primo discussion.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:54 AM - 16 April, 2019
www.pioneerdj.com

800 has DVS in it per spec sheet.
WildcardX 12:59 PM - 16 April, 2019
The DDJ-1000 also has DVS capability.

"The DDJ-1000 comes with a Rekordbox DJ licence, and it’s compatible with Rekordbox DVS, meaning you can connect your turntables or media players to spin with timecode vinyl / media. "

www.digitaldjtips.com
DJ Stygma 1:03 PM - 16 April, 2019
Sorry, wasn’t trying to completely sidetrack this thread, I just know how many people want a 2 channel mixer with platter rotation display including myself. Hopefully the Pro gets it’s stuff together and can be that controller. I doubt Pioneer will ever sell the 400/800/1000 for Serato since they are using the hardware to push their software.
DJ Tecniq 5:40 PM - 16 April, 2019
All good thanks for the clarification on the 800/1000. If I don’t see a version of this for Serato soon i may just leave Serato for good. I have a love/hate relationship with Pioneer. I’m crossing my fingers for a 800/1000 DDJ Serato controller.
DJ Stygma 6:04 PM - 16 April, 2019
Pro was meant to say Primo, hopefully the Primo gets it's stuff together to be that controller


The other thing that intrigues me about RB is the lighting control and supposedly the newest update that came out today made it work even better with the Gigbar 2, which is what I use for a lot of my events. I love all the competition right now.
dj_soo 9:34 PM - 16 April, 2019
800 is still capacitive touch platter rather than the mechanical pressure platters on the 1000.

No magvel fader either it seems. Kind of a meh for me. I'll stick with the $550 mixars if they manage to fix the underlying issues satisfactory enough.
DJ Stygma 9:51 PM - 16 April, 2019
Both good points, I am hoping Mixars fixes their issues
WildcardX 10:45 PM - 16 April, 2019
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800 is still capacitive touch platter rather than the mechanical pressure platters on the 1000.

No magvel fader either it seems. Kind of a meh for me. I'll stick with the $550 mixars if they manage to fix the underlying issues satisfactory enough.

Yeah the capacitive jog wheels was disappointing to see.
Dj Ace 2:25 AM - 17 April, 2019
I agree
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:42 AM - 17 April, 2019
Other than the SZ and 1000 ,which other units have mechanical jog ?

they managed to squeeze in a tension adjustment.

If they release it for Serato...its a no brainer purchase.

Slowly some differences are beginning to emerge eg the mixer like effect control vs seratos 3 x 3
dj_soo 6:43 AM - 17 April, 2019
SZ doesn't have mechanical jogs - still capacitive. The tension adjust definitely makes a difference, but the pressure sensitive jogs just feel so much better and prevent errors if you accidentally brush against the platters on touch ones.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:49 AM - 17 April, 2019
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SZ doesn't have mechanical jogs - still capacitive. The tension adjust definitely makes a difference, but the pressure sensitive jogs just feel so much better and prevent errors if you accidentally brush against the platters on touch ones.


So only the 1000 has mechanical jogs

Pioneer giveth and taketh.

I also understand that the FX is software dependent ie it wont work standalone.
Djkom 11:46 AM - 17 April, 2019
Ok so the DDJ 800
- Doesn't have a mechanical jogwheel
- Doesn't have a Magvel crossfaver
- Can work standalone when usb linked to Rekordbox
- Has only software FX
- Has only one usb port
- Has smaller jogwheels
- Has only 2 ch mixer

All that for 899$ !!!! Just 200$ under the DDJ 1000, Pioneer makes Pioneer prices again !
DJ Stygma 11:59 AM - 17 April, 2019
Yeah, doesn’t make a lot of sense, I know a lot of people thought the 1000 was competitively priced to get people hooked on RB, but with the release of the 800, it now makes their pricing structure look terrible.
boo-lee 12:06 PM - 17 April, 2019
Isn't this a bit off-topic guys? ;) This thread is about the Mixars Primo, not about a Pioneer controller that doesn't even work with Serato.
Djkom 1:35 PM - 17 April, 2019
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Isn't this a bit off-topic guys? ;) This thread is about the Mixars Primo, not about a Pioneer controller that doesn't even work with Serato.


Right but comparison with same product range does also make sense.
This makes me like even more the Primo !
boo-lee 2:00 PM - 17 April, 2019
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Right but comparison with same product range does also make sense.
This makes me like even more the Primo !


True, once the pitch resolution issue is solved (and maybe if Serato implements a position indicator on the jogs), the Primo will be the ultimate 2 channel Serato controller.
cosmicbaggy 6:16 PM - 17 April, 2019
Readily await the updates and further feedback before trading in the DJ-505. Keep up the comms guys...
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 29 April, 2019
Is Mixware affiliated with Mixars? Or is MWM Phase somehow affiliated also? It’s odd both the Mixars Primo & Phase have similar issues regarding pitch. So far nothing about an update on the Primo pitch problem. I’m about to sell mine was hoping this would get fixed ASAP.
DJ Illnaughty 11:12 PM - 29 April, 2019
Mixware is the distributor of both Mixars and MWM. In no way, shape or form is Mixware involved in the manufacturing process. I thought the same thing, however; it is literally just a coincidence.

I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
JDfunky 11:55 PM - 29 April, 2019
Mixars have told me that there is no distributor in Australia where I live, so I think I am going to give up on the Primo to replace my Vestax (the right platter is doing some weird stuff, including making the right playing track speed up infinitely while playing) and go for the Denon MC4000 (I don't need DVS)
DJ Tecniq 6:33 AM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased
dj_soo 6:35 AM - 30 April, 2019
I wish denon would make a 4000 MK3 with a proper pad control scheme and DVS
DJ JulioYEG 6:45 AM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased

hahahahahahahhahahahah.
DJ Illnaughty 4:30 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased


Hahahahaha, I wish what I said would matter, unfortunately they are enduring a shit storm right now and doing their best.
DJ Illnaughty 4:38 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased


Hahahahaha, I wish what I said would matter, unfortunately they are enduring a shit storm right now and doing their best.



I just shot an email to Mixars to get a firm ETA on the firmware and updated information for Serato's scheduled update.
DJ Tecniq 8:52 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I just shot an email to Mixars to get a firm ETA on the firmware and updated information for Serato's scheduled update.
Cool maybe you can help me. Is the 1.09 firmware for the Primo on their website updated? What I'm asking is is my Primo device already on 1.09 firmware out the box?
PL_Se 10:00 PM - 30 April, 2019
The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.
DJ Tecniq 12:16 AM - 1 May, 2019
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The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.
Gotcha so the even reinstalling the firmware won’t fix the pitch issue. Thanks for clearing that up.
DJ Illnaughty 5:01 PM - 1 May, 2019
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The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.


You are correct, there has been no firmware update that addresses the pitch or the master volume behavior.

Mixars response to my email yesterday is as follows:

"Yes, the led ring will be implemented In next Serato patch. I’m not sure if they already know when it will release. We are also working on the firmware to address pitch resolution and master vol. knob behaviour together with Serato."
boo-lee 5:31 PM - 1 May, 2019
I’m wondering if dj gear reviewers (digital dj tips, crossfader, mojax...) are waiting to review the Mixars Primo until the oitch issue has been fixed. It’s strange that the controller has been on the market for two months but that the first online review is yet to appear.
DJ Tecniq 6:18 PM - 1 May, 2019
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I’m wondering if dj gear reviewers (digital dj tips, crossfader, mojax...) are waiting to review the Mixars Primo until the oitch issue has been fixed. It’s strange that the controller has been on the market for two months but that the first online review is yet to appear.
Same. DJ Booth.net has an unboxing but no official review yet.
DJ Illnaughty 6:41 PM - 1 May, 2019
FYI.... I know this is a little out of place here but it's still relevent to Mixars products.

You can now upgrade the crossfader on the Quattro to the the Galileo. Also if you buy the Quattro now you get the upgrade fader for free.

This is from Mixwares site:

"The Mixars Quattro is already the best value of any Serato club mixer on the market today. Coming in a $999.99 retail, Quattro is DVS enabled and features dual USB audio interfaces, 16 multicolor performance pads, sampler controls, filters on each channel, built-in effects, and loads more.

But now we want to give you the opportunity to supercharge your mixer with a crossfader upgrade at no cost!"
HellNegative1 3:15 AM - 2 May, 2019
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FYI.... I know this is a little out of place here but it's still relevent to Mixars products.

You can now upgrade the crossfader on the Quattro to the the Galileo. Also if you buy the Quattro now you get the upgrade fader for free.

This is from Mixwares site:

"The Mixars Quattro is already the best value of any Serato club mixer on the market today. Coming in a $999.99 retail, Quattro is DVS enabled and features dual USB audio interfaces, 16 multicolor performance pads, sampler controls, filters on each channel, built-in effects, and loads more.

But now we want to give you the opportunity to supercharge your mixer with a crossfader upgrade at no cost!"



Damn. That's the reason I returned the Quattro we had. :-p I didn't want to void the warranty by putting an inno inside.
DJ Tecniq 7:33 AM - 2 May, 2019
I have to give props to Mixars they have very affordable DJ hardware that’s been rock solid compared to other high end gear and use high quality parts esp their preamps. If they could just fix the issues with the Primo I’d be much happier and use it more. For now i love playing my reg vinyl with it and I hope this isn’t their only controller I’m sure we’ll see more in the future.
HK1200 3:58 PM - 4 May, 2019
These companies need to stop releasing products before the bugs are resolved. It's a straight up "fuck you" to their customers.
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:28 PM - 4 May, 2019
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These companies need to stop releasing products before the bugs are resolved. It's a straight up "fuck you" to their customers.


It seems to be the order of the day now.

They are selling promises.

"we will fix or implement it with a firmware update"

Rane, Denon DJ, Mixars

I understand fixing bugs with updates but not basic functionality.

Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.
DJ Tecniq 5:03 PM - 4 May, 2019
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Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.
This is so true. We are spending our hard earned money to test equipment. It should just work out the box. This is why I don’t care for Serato’s new “production” software it’s only going to delay SDJ updates which they should focus on first I’m sure they don’t have a big number of developers these days.
dj_soo 6:01 PM - 4 May, 2019
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Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.


Pioneer does this too.

The SR constantly lost controls for the first couple months requiring a firmware fix.

The S9 sold manny bum units and had a crossfader prone to breaking at the stem.

The 2000nxs2s randomly reset requiring firmware fixes.

The sx3 required a full recall and even the “fixed” units are still experiencing problems.

At this point, it doesn’t matter what company you purchase from - they all do this. If you are an early adopter, you are another phase of beta tester.

The pitch resolution on the primo is a major head scratcher, but at least it can (hopefully) be fixed unlike the dumb decisions to not provide separate pad modes for left and right on the s9 or the pre-fade only effects on the sz.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:21 PM - 4 May, 2019
I haven't had any bad experience with pioneer yet

I've owned the following and they do what it says on the tin

DJM 700 (sold)
CDJ900 (sold)
SX (sold to a friend who is still using it with no issues)
Wego3 (sold to a friend, no issues years later)
DDJ400
S9 (design limitation)
SP1
XP1

They all worked/working as expected.

In terms of Pioneers design limitations, yes that leaves a lot to desire...I think it's all part of their strategy to keep you coming back.

Lack of post fader fx on the SZ and its available on the SZ2

Production faults such as the SX3s well documented black vs red dot conundrum not factored in.

I dont pre-order nothing...I usually wait 6-12 months post launch before buying any gear. I consider that as adequate time for recalls and bug fixes. It's worked well for me so far...bar my experience with the Primes, MCX8000 and the 72...
Mr. Goodkat 10:26 PM - 4 May, 2019
exactly why i buy old proven gear. cheaper and i know the problem history. picked up a in the box 2015 64 for 900$ recently and im fine with it. i used to chase gear but it just doesnt make sense with all the problems you guys are talking about and the reality that mac os's are popping up all the time.
cosmicbaggy 9:10 AM - 5 May, 2019
Its like the mobile phone model, get your product to market first is more important than getting it to market right. Look at that folding phone that got recalled recently. These controllers are almost as bad...
dj_soo 9:28 AM - 5 May, 2019
The mixars primo took over 2 years to release since it was announced.

They definitely didn't get there first.
Ian Williams 11:01 AM - 5 May, 2019
First night out with my Primo last night.
There's a few "quirks" but overall I'm happy. I've also got a Denon MC7000, fully flight cased for big shows,.....but for a compact controller for smaller walk in gigs, it suits my purposes perfectly.
HK1200 1:19 PM - 5 May, 2019
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First night out with my Primo last night.
There's a few "quirks" but overall I'm happy. I've also got a Denon MC7000, fully flight cased for big shows,.....but for a compact controller for smaller walk in gigs, it suits my purposes perfectly.
I was excited for the Primo, but damned if that dough isn't still sitting in my bank account. Had they gotten it right out of the gate I'd probably own one already, but after waiting years for it to drop only to see them release it with bugs and a promise of a future fix... nah. I'll wait. That's not an acceptable way of doing business to me, and I won't encourage it by financially supporting their shit decisions.
dj.kinetic 8:33 PM - 14 May, 2019
Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.
JDfunky 8:58 AM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


That's interesting.. I have had this similar problem occur several times using my Vestax VCI-380. The track (each time the right deck) flips back to the very start of the track, not the first cue. I've posted a separate discussion about it in these forums.

Keep us posted if it happens again dj.kinetic
DJ Stygma 1:25 PM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


Imagine this happening during a couple's first dance at their reception. That is some scary ish.
JDfunky 1:52 PM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


Imagine this happening during a couple's first dance at their reception. That is some scary ish.


I was playing a wedding last week and had a freaky thing happen with one deck, keeps speeding up and speeding up. Other deck working ok, but even unloading then loading a new track on that deck produced the same result. I played with one deck for a while, then when there was a lull on the floor I had to quit and restart Serato. No probs for rest of the night but I was sweating there for a bit!
johnnydel 9:52 AM - 16 May, 2019
I absolutely agree withe speeding up of the software discussion on pc... Thanks
Martin 83 10:09 AM - 22 May, 2019
Hello Guys,

So what is new with Primo, I had already owned one, but I had to send it back. I had spend 3 weeks of trying to make it work. The technical support from Mixars had ignored me for two weeks. Even after I had actually called them personally. On the other hand Serato support team helped m out and they found out that my unit had fakulty midi board, so I send it back to musicstore and had to argue with them for another week to get a full refund. They did not want to pay delivery charge back. So it has been a fucking shit experience so far.
However I have still been willing to give Primo another try. So are there any news regarding pitch fader issues? Best Wishes
DJ Tecniq 3:15 PM - 22 May, 2019
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So are there any news regarding pitch fader issues? Best Wishes
Sorry you had issues but regarding the pitch issue we are all sitting ducks awaiting the firmware fix.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 7:58 PM - 22 May, 2019
Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!
HellNegative1 11:20 PM - 22 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!


What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*
Serato, Support
Mike.C 11:22 PM - 22 May, 2019
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What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*



Actually, loads of great stuff, and I would love to share but I value my job too much.
DJ Tecniq 6:14 AM - 23 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!
Praise the lord🙏🏼
mabbs 6:33 AM - 23 May, 2019
Great news.

Getting this sort of feedback on the forum is appreciated.
Dj Youkai 7:50 AM - 23 May, 2019
Thank you Mike for that update. Not Giving on the Mixars Primo Yet 😊
adil 2:17 PM - 23 May, 2019
Hi Guys, been following this blog post in a while. The information here is very helpful. I recently pulled the trigger and got the Primo.

Overall first impressions are great! I did observer the same issues here as expected and looking forward to firmware updates as well.

One thing I did notice was that the master xlr output seems to have a limiter on it right around -6dbs when I plugged it into my line-in on my soundcard to see the levels. Other controllers I've tested go up to digital 0. Curious if I'm doing something incorrectly there...
Philmixit 10:03 PM - 23 May, 2019
I can hardly wait , yes, new update coming 👍🏾
DJ JulioYEG 3:32 AM - 29 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!


What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*

echo out fixed maybe autogain or even better day mode
DJ Nin 1:50 PM - 29 May, 2019
DJ Booth review
Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Youkai 8:26 PM - 29 May, 2019
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DJ Booth review
Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 8:32 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.


It's an automatic calibration, you can't change any parameters or calibrate anything manually but it will set the touch sensitivity correctly (which is only required after a firmware update, they should come calibrated from the factory).

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
Dj Youkai 9:16 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.


It's an automatic calibration, you can't change any parameters or calibrate anything manually but it will set the touch sensitivity correctly (which is only required after a firmware update, they should come calibrated from the factory).

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.

Thanks, reason why I'm asking is that the left Jogwheel isn't that responsive as the right one. It loses the touch sensitivity. Hope this works.
DJ Stygma 10:58 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Actually, loads of great stuff, and I would love to share but I value my job too much.


Thanks to Serato’s Instagram we now know some of the great stuff is day mode and play counts.
DJ Tecniq 5:44 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be
Dj Youkai 6:21 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be

Thanks Bro, Another Question, does the Primo have to be plug into a power source or USB will do when doing this Fix?
DJ Tecniq 7:02 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be

Thanks Bro, Another Question, does the Primo have to be plug into a power source or USB will do when doing this Fix?
yes if you follow the video he mentions the usb cable is plugged in.
Dj Youkai 7:14 PM - 30 May, 2019
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yes if you follow the video he mentions the usb cable is plugged in.

Looks Like the Power Source is Plugged in. Do you Need to Have the External Power adapter plugged in Also? Or just USB is Fine?
dj_soo 9:19 PM - 30 May, 2019
believe you can do either with the primo just like the SR2
boo-lee 9:31 PM - 30 May, 2019
I’ve been using the Primo for several months and while I connect a power supply during gigs (not wanting to take any risks), I haven’t had any issue or noticed any difference in behavior when using it without one.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 9:34 PM - 30 May, 2019
You can use the device bus bowered by the USB cable or with the power supply, the power supply will add more stability should the USB cable become disconnected. So even if you lose connection to Serato you could still use it in standalone mode if the power supply is connected.
dj.kinetic 4:10 AM - 31 May, 2019
For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect
boo-lee 6:33 AM - 31 May, 2019
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You can use the device bus bowered by the USB cable or with the power supply, the power supply will add more stability should the USB cable become disconnected. So even if you lose connection to Serato you could still use it in standalone mode if the power supply is connected.


Yes indeed. When I said “no difference in behavior with or without power supply” I was regering to using it purely as a Serato controller.
DJ Jakey Chan 9:40 AM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


how was it getting the innofader in, easy job or not ?
shaunLEGEND 4:51 PM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect

Also is the cut in sharper now with an innofader? What was shown in the dj booth video was a bit too much travel to me.
dj.kinetic 8:01 PM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


how was it getting the innofader in, easy job or not ?


remove the 38 screws on the top, use a hair dryer to heat up the surface of the faceplate, lift the faceplate off gently with a plastic flat edge, then use the large 3 pin adapter supplied with the innofader and plug in and calibrate the fader to your liking, then put it all back together...its plug and play..


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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect

Also is the cut in sharper now with an innofader? What was shown in the dj booth video was a bit too much travel to me.


yup its not instant cut in, not that lag where its a few mm before it cuts in on the stock..highly recommend replacing it if you like or are used to sharp cut ins.
Dj Youkai 2:13 PM - 1 June, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


Is This Model You Used?
djdeals.com
djstefy74 6:46 AM - 2 June, 2019
@Youkai
Yes is the mini plus that fit the Primo
Dj Youkai 6:19 PM - 2 June, 2019
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@Youkai
Yes is the mini plus that fit the Primo

Ok.. Just making sure cause there's 7am << different versions of mini plus there, I specifically posted that link. But it doesn't show it's compatible with The Mixars Primo.
mabbs 8:00 PM - 5 June, 2019
So I have been in touch with Mixware and they have been really responsive and helpful. Mike sent me three beta firmware versions to test (only difference seems to be the jog sensitivity) - The jogs feel nicer and the master volume isn't coming in as hot immediately. However, the pitch issues remain. It is no longer jumping a full BPM around the centre of the slider, but there are missing increments throughout now (it will go 130.2 to 130.5 to 130.7 etc no matter how delicate I am) Hopefully the final version and next Serato update will solve this.
djstefy74 9:29 PM - 5 June, 2019
Good that a new firmware is in progress!but at least they can put it on the Mixars website so more people can test it.. hope the final release will coming soon with the new Sdj update..
@mabbs can u send me the beta fw via email?
So i test on my unit,if u want write to
djstefy74@yahoo.it
Thanks!i think that the fw it’s the same for all the countries..
Dj Youkai 10:24 PM - 6 June, 2019
Anyone Tried Serato 2.2 Beta Yet? They Released it on IG. Wondering If the Jogwheel Lights are Implimented already 😊
djstefy74 10:34 PM - 6 June, 2019
@DjYoukai
Yes the jogs lights works fine!
Dj Youkai 11:11 PM - 6 June, 2019
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Yes the jogs lights works fine!

YeaYuhz!!!!! Thank You!!! 😁
v@l 8:01 PM - 7 June, 2019
Guys The Mixars Primo Tempo Resolution With The Beta Firmware Update 12c Works Perfect In Traktor Pro 3 I Can Adjust BPM By 00.01 @ +- 8 Percent So I Hope Serato Can Fix The Tempo Slider Resolution In The Software Anyone Else With Traktor Can You Midi Map The Tempo Slider Of The Primo & Confirm My Findings..
adil 7:01 PM - 9 June, 2019
installed the mini innofader plus today, what a hudge difference! it's sharp, gotta turn the CF curve to almost half for my style of djing lol.
Ollieboy 6:03 AM - 11 June, 2019
Something I forgot to mention. When you have the hardware effects on there's no absolute zero when have the dial set in the middle. (12o'clock) You still hear the effect. Whether it's the filter or echo. Unless you disengage the effect by pressing the button, you can still hear it.
djstefy74 10:28 AM - 11 June, 2019
@Ollieboy yeah i’ve written in other post,i’ve the crush and echo that do this,but the onboard fx are hardware so i think it’s more fw related than Sdj
boo-lee 9:07 PM - 15 June, 2019
I installed the latest firmware from the Mixars website (1.12) and installed the latest non-beta Serato version (2.1.2) and as read in the Serato release notes:

1.Updated the Mixars Primo pitch fader resolution, requires a firmware update
2.Updated the Mixars Primo platter lighting to follow virtual deck spindle position

Indeed, 1) is resolved and 2) works perfect! :) Thanks Serato and Mixars, this is now the near-perfect 2 channel Serato controller!

The only annoying (but minor) issue is the dead zone in the master knob (you have to turn it up to some degrees before you start hearing something, it has an on/off behavior).
djstefy74 11:25 PM - 15 June, 2019
Yeah,and the master volume in Serato that is locked at 12 o’clock..finish yet a wedding and it seems work fine for 3 hours..
ardentdj 4:19 PM - 16 June, 2019
Nice to have a pitch range that doesn't jump around now :)

However... I loaded my MIxars Primo up just now, was fiddling around with a loop and the left deck play button stopped working. The track was stopped, I was trying to play it. Press play, and the button would change from flashing blue to constant blue -- but the track wouldn't play.

Tried cue buttons. They would skip to the cue point (though weirdly, about a 1/4 beat in front of each one, but only occasionally play if I held the cue down. Often, nothing. No sound. The wave forms static. The play button remained unable to play the track. Had to reset Serato, now it seems to be working fine.

Has anyone else had this issue? Or was it somehow disabled because I inadvertently got myself tangled up with the loops? (I was pretty sure by this point I'd saved and come out of loop creation, but not 100%; the blue loop bar was static over in the latter half of the track, I was over at the first cue point at the start, with no blue loop bar anywhere near me, unable to play the track).

Grateful if anyone can advise.
ardentdj 5:13 PM - 16 June, 2019
I've now replicated the issue twice in a row, just by creating a manual loop on the left deck. It seems to disable the play button -- even if the loop is finished, saved, disabled and deleted. And the issue persists if I load a new track onto the deck.

This is only on the left deck, couldn't get it to do it on the right.

I've raised a ticket with serato, but interested if anyone else is having this issue. I'm on the latest version of Serato (not the beta).
Dj Youkai 5:27 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Ardent, I have the same problem, but for me it was the pitch range, I changed it then tried to press play and same thing happened, but instead of restarting serato all I did was turn primo, wait.. Then turn it back on it went away, then I tried it again, starting the the beginning, but this time it did play, sound is working, then all I did was nudge the left Platter and sound stopped, pressed play to pause, then pressed it again and it wouldn't play.. I turned Primo off and turned it back on and and it went away.

I tried this. I reinstalled serato again. Seems like it's working again.. Did a gig last night for 2 hours and so far it's working.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 7:46 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hey guys I have tried to reproduce the issues you are describing but can't when using SDJ 2.1.2 and firmware 1.1.

Is there anything else you can add that might help to diagnose the problem? A video may be helpful.

It would also be worth trying the platter calibration procedure since it sounds like both of your issues are platter related.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
ardentdj 8:40 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding so quickly. I uploaded a video of the issue once it had happened along with my ticket (577138), if that's at all useful.

Interestingly enough, after I'd recorded that video (third time I'd had the issue), I found the left platter was behaving strangely. When I moved it around on a paused track with the left deck the track would move back and forward INCREDIBLY slowly. Spinning it as fast I could would barely get the paused track to move forward at quarter speed.

So, I ran the platter calibration and that fixed it. Then I tried to recreate the jammed play button issue, and haven't been able to.

Will have another go and report back. Will try and record it too.

Just yesterday I updated the firmware and Serato, and hadn't tried looping since then, so maybe the calibration is the key!
Serato, Support
Mike.C 8:50 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding so quickly. I uploaded a video of the issue once it had happened along with my ticket (577138), if that's at all useful.

Interestingly enough, after I'd recorded that video (third time I'd had the issue), I found the left platter was behaving strangely. When I moved it around on a paused track with the left deck the track would move back and forward INCREDIBLY slowly. Spinning it as fast I could would barely get the paused track to move forward at quarter speed.

So, I ran the platter calibration and that fixed it. Then I tried to recreate the jammed play button issue, and haven't been able to.

Will have another go and report back. Will try and record it too.

Just yesterday I updated the firmware and Serato, and hadn't tried looping since then, so maybe the calibration is the key!


No problem! The support team will get back to you on that ticket. Sounds like the platter calibration may have helped! Feel free to drop more comments in here if you keep having issues, I'll do my best to help out.
ardentdj 8:56 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike,

Ha, I turned the Mixar on to try and replicate the issue. Just wiggled the left platter back and forward and the play button jam happened straight away. And so did the slow platter speed.

So I did the platter calibration again and it fixed it.

What I don't understand is, why do I need to keep calibrating the platter?

I've also noticed when I turn on the Mixars, Serato shows an error at the bottom of the screen: Error Loading Midi.xml. Any idea what that's about, and if the two things might be related?

I tried removing and adding the Primo from my MIDI Studio (Mac) but the error is still there.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 9:00 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike,

Ha, I turned the Mixar on to try and replicate the issue. Just wiggled the left platter back and forward and the play button jam happened straight away. And so did the slow platter speed.

So I did the platter calibration again and it fixed it.

What I don't understand is, why do I need to keep calibrating the platter?

I've also noticed when I turn on the Mixars, Serato shows an error at the bottom of the screen: Error Loading Midi.xml. Any idea what that's about, and if the two things might be related?

I tried removing and adding the Primo from my MIDI Studio (Mac) but the error is still there.


Damn, I do know that the platter calibration needs to be done after each firmware update. Hopefully it continues to work normally now.

The MIDI error you are seeing is because SDJ is trying to load a custom mapping file. If you don't use any custom mappings then you can simply delete the MIDI folder from this location (while Serato is closed), then when you re-open SDJ a new xml file will be generated. You can find the MIDI folder at Music>_Serato_>MIDI.
Dj Youkai 10:23 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike, I Did Do a Platter Calibration also.. And like 3 times, I had that error also, I also had another problem trying to scratch on the left Platter before and the response of the Platter was weak, sometimes it goes nudging mode, and I don't get any sensitivity.. But after giving more of a harder pressure on the Platter.. That seem to fixed it. I'm gonna try test it again. Hopefully all of this problems doesn't come up again. Thanks for your quick response.
DJ Alibi 11:54 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike, I Did Do a Platter Calibration also.. And like 3 times, I had that error also, I also had another problem trying to scratch on the left Platter before and the response of the Platter was weak, sometimes it goes nudging mode, and I don't get any sensitivity.. But after giving more of a harder pressure on the Platter.. That seem to fixed it. I'm gonna try test it again. Hopefully all of this problems doesn't come up again. Thanks for your quick response.



glad i logged in!! havnt been on here for a while! i thought i was the only one having this problem!! this happened in both Serato and VDJ, i thought maybe it was a USB issue,
DJ Tecniq 5:19 AM - 17 June, 2019
If any of you have had jog wheel issues I would recommend doing the calibration however I have not had any platter issues yet maybe i just got lucky when it came from the factory. Glad I followed this post cause it’s very informative on updates or user issues some of us have. I have not been able to do the firmware update yet but plan on trying it out this week.
dj_soo 6:07 AM - 17 June, 2019
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this happened in both Serato and VDJ


if it's happening in different software, it's possible it's a hardware issue.
ardentdj 7:41 AM - 17 June, 2019
Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?
v@l 8:26 AM - 17 June, 2019
I did both updates serato dj & firmware update did a 7hr set zero issues..
Dj Youkai 12:09 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?

Before the update, Jogwheel and the play button works. Then Platter sensitive happened later on, but that's still before the update.
djstefy74 3:59 PM - 17 June, 2019
Hey DJYoukai,have you try with the beta fw 1.12C instead of the official 1.12?
Dj Youkai 6:02 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Hey DJYoukai,have you try with the beta fw 1.12C instead of the official 1.12?

I haven't yet.. Figured I'll try the official one and not the Beta 😂
DJ Alibi 7:10 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?


Yes! Happened before and after, it's so weird because it starts happening out of nowhere, it might work for like 5 hours and then next thing you know....
brianbatesd 10:29 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?


Yes! Happened before and after, it's so weird because it starts happening out of nowhere, it might work for like 5 hours and then next thing you know....


Yep, me as well. Both versions of firmware and at least two versions of Serato. It seems to come back to life if you toggler the deck select switch a couple times.

Today the right platter didn't want to work in vinyl mode so that was interesting. I tried a few things to get it back but no luck. Prior to that I was beat juggling and scratching for long sessions on the new firmware and 2.1.2 update that introduced the LED ring movement.
brianbatesd 1:02 AM - 18 June, 2019
Calibrating the platters appears to have fixed the sudden unresponsiveness of vinyl mode with the jogs. Thanks to everyone for posting their fixes and issues. Helps us all.

I think I’m stable now...
Dj Youkai 4:22 AM - 18 June, 2019
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Calibrating the platters appears to have fixed the sudden unresponsiveness of vinyl mode with the jogs. Thanks to everyone for posting their fixes and issues. Helps us all.

I think I’m stable now...

I think when Installed the Newest Version of Serato and Updated the Primo Firmware and Calibrateed the Jogwheel, it had issues.. But I Reinstalled Serato Again.. It Seems to be Working Again. That was like on My Last Gig this past Saturday. I haven't tested it again. But I'll Give You Guys an Update when I do 😊
ardentdj 6:04 AM - 18 June, 2019
Is it relatively straight forward to reinstall serato without losing beat grids, cues and colour coding on my tracks?

Can someone talk me through it?
dj_soo 6:06 AM - 18 June, 2019
you shouldn't lose anything - all the info is either saved to your _serato_ folder or directly to the tracks
brianbatesd 3:56 PM - 18 June, 2019
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I think when Installed the Newest Version of Serato and Updated the Primo Firmware and Calibrateed the Jogwheel, it had issues.. But I Reinstalled Serato Again.. It Seems to be Working Again. That was like on My Last Gig this past Saturday. I haven't tested it again. But I'll Give You Guys an Update when I do 😊


Word. Keep us posted.

I had a decent session last night, beat juggling and mixing for a couple hours. I had a short one before that just to test after calibration. No issues.

I'm on Serato 2.1.2 with the 1.12 firmware.

Here's how to calibrate the jog wheels. Sorry if it's a repost but the instructions can be hard to track down.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
DJ Stygma 7:06 PM - 18 June, 2019
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Here's how to calibrate the jog wheels. Sorry if it's a repost but the instructions can be hard to track down.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.



So that means you turn it on while holding NOISE + FILTER, do nothing, then press SHIFT?

What happens between the time you turn it on and when you press Shift?
ardentdj 9:13 PM - 18 June, 2019
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So that means you turn it on while holding NOISE + FILTER, do nothing, then press SHIFT?

What happens between the time you turn it on and when you press Shift?


Yeah, you just hold NOISE and FILTER when you power up. The unit will kind of half load up the lights.

Then just press shift (being careful not to touch the platters in the process).

Pretty sure that's it... unless I've been doing it wrong
brianbatesd 2:08 AM - 19 June, 2019
That’s the same thing I did as well. Waited a few seconds then pressed shift and the unit restarted.
DJ Stygma 3:31 PM - 19 June, 2019
Thanks for the replies
DJ Jakey Chan 10:19 AM - 23 June, 2019
My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?
DJ Jakey Chan 10:20 AM - 23 June, 2019
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My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?

Sorry my left jog wheel, (right seems to work ok but i dont use it as much as the left)
DJ Alibi 6:24 PM - 28 June, 2019
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My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?

Sorry my left jog wheel, (right seems to work ok but i dont use it as much as the left)[/quote my left a jog stopped working after the update, o did the calibration two or three times until it finally just started working again, maybe I wasn't doing the combination right in the calibration. however I am a bit worried because this problem happens once every two or three times I use the controller, I have dig this weekend I'm going to see how it goes
DJ Alibi 6:26 PM - 28 June, 2019
And I can't edit my post LOL
DJ Tecniq 7:58 PM - 28 June, 2019
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And I can't edit my post LOL
We haven’t been able to since 2000’ when Scratchlive was around. Welcome to the forum😊
Dj Youkai 8:07 PM - 28 June, 2019
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And I can't edit my post LOL
We haven’t been able to since 2000’ when Scratchlive was around. Welcome to the forum😊


They Should upgrade the forum also 😊
Dj Youkai 2:28 AM - 29 June, 2019
Hey Everyone! There's a New Firmware Out at Mixars Site. Version 1.13 Gonna Test it Out. If You Already Did. Please Update Us. Thank You 😊
DJ Alibi 9:21 PM - 30 June, 2019
After the 1.13 update you can tell they tried to fix it because instead of not working at all, it still works, but now, it starts getting "sqwiggly" is the best way I can describe it , happens within like an hour of use, starts with the left jog, then slowly the right side stops working, I'm at my Wit's end about to sell the son of a b****, going back to DVS permanently.... Going back to using my trusty pioneer wego4 for now

And you know the funny thing is whenever you hit the stop button the jogs work, and the indicator both on the controller and on the software move, but as soon as you hit play and try to scratch is when it starts, otherwise I would have thought it was a USB cord issue or something, someone was saying it might be a power issue but it happened even after I unplugged it from the wall and use the power straight from the lab top so that rules that out. I don't know I'm upset
DJ Alibi 9:24 PM - 30 June, 2019
Oh yeah and to add... Maybe it's something that happens to it while it is in travel? Maybe we have to calibrated if we move it from one place to the other?? and the other strange thing is as soon as I get my ass home with it and hook it back up, it will work, but I don't do much at home so maybe that's the thing as it happens after like an hour of use. Once again I'm going to calibrated one more time maybe do a live show and see what happens this time
brianbatesd 5:58 PM - 1 July, 2019
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Maybe we have to calibrated if we move it from one place to the other


This is my line of thinking as well at this point. Have you tried calibrating it every time you use it? Did that solve the issue?

I haven't tried 1.13 ... I'm on 1.12 but my right jog wheel will start to slip out of vinyl mode if I'm scratching heavily. I'm right handed so that could be the reason that I notice it there.

It's incredibly frustrating because that was the reason I bought this controller. It nicely bridged the gap from DVS without having to lug turntables around.

When it works, it's dope. I can juggle and cut without issue. When it starts to lose conductivity or whatever is going on, it really is a frustrating experience.

If you don't scratch, the controller is pretty much flawless so for my next gig, I will only be mixing with it.
brianbatesd 4:50 PM - 2 July, 2019
I have 1.13 installed now. So far so good. I've been DJing for about 20 minutes on it.

I have another issue though that requires restarting the controller. I have no idea what is causing it but suddenly the right channel will have a really low bass response. I have to close Serato, restart the controller and restart Serato to get the levels equal on both channels.

I really wish this controller would have undergone more extensive testing before they shipped it.
Dj Youkai 8:00 PM - 2 July, 2019
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I have 1.13 installed now. So far so good. I've been DJing for about 20 minutes on it.

I have another issue though that requires restarting the controller. I have no idea what is causing it but suddenly the right channel will have a really low bass response. I have to close Serato, restart the controller and restart Serato to get the levels equal on both channels.

I really wish this controller would have undergone more extensive testing before they shipped it.

Have you tried deleting the MIDI folder after Calibrating the Jog Wheels? Maybe that will help it. 🤔
brianbatesd 9:06 PM - 2 July, 2019
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Have you tried deleting the MIDI folder after Calibrating the Jog Wheels? Maybe that will help it. 🤔


Which MIDI folder? System or application?
Dj Youkai 12:45 AM - 3 July, 2019
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Which MIDI folder? System or application?


I mean Clear your midi studio in your Audio MIDI setup.. In the Application. Maybe that would help.
DJ Alibi 11:54 AM - 3 July, 2019
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If you don't scratch, the controller is pretty much flawless so for my next gig, I will only be mixing with it.


Yeah on 1.12, it would slip out of vinyl mode. On 1.13, you can tell that they tried to fix it because it doesn't slip out of vinyl mode completely, now it slips and acts like it's just losing touch sensitivity, yes I agree it's a great DVS machine, I thought about selling it and just getting the Quattro, but the Quattro is not supported by my favorite software virtual DJ,
DJ Alibi 11:57 AM - 3 July, 2019
i mean i can deal with Serato though lol
brianbatesd 10:44 PM - 3 July, 2019
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Which MIDI folder? System or application?


I mean Clear your midi studio in your Audio MIDI setup.. In the Application. Maybe that would help.


Oh word. I'll give that a try tonight. I just removed the device. Good call. I appreciate it!
DJ Alibi 6:01 PM - 4 July, 2019
I just noticed after a windows update, that my usb settings switched back to default, this may be the issue, i had them all "unchecked" as stated in serato performance suggestions
brianbatesd 11:26 PM - 5 July, 2019
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I just noticed after a windows update, that my usb settings switched back to default, this may be the issue, i had them all "unchecked" as stated in serato performance suggestions


I don't think that's it if you're talking about vinyl mode dropping out. I'm on a Mac so that's not even a thing for me and I have the same issue.
djstefy74 7:12 PM - 6 July, 2019
Hi guys,first real "stress test"..today wedding in a park from 11am to 18pm(oh,here in Italy) air temperature about 33c\92f(lucky to have a second shirt!)MacbookPro 13 early 2015,Sdj 2.1.2,2ms buffer,Primo..all work flawlessly,no hiccup or audio dropout,no probs with the controller,for me the only things to repair in SDj are the volume locked at 12 o'clock and the bleeding fx,i'm very satisfied with the stability..
brianbatesd 10:55 PM - 7 July, 2019
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Hi guys,first real "stress test"..today wedding in a park from 11am to 18pm(oh,here in Italy) air temperature about 33c\92f(lucky to have a second shirt!)MacbookPro 13 early 2015,Sdj 2.1.2,2ms buffer,Primo..all work flawlessly,no hiccup or audio dropout,no probs with the controller,for me the only things to repair in SDj are the volume locked at 12 o'clock and the bleeding fx,i'm very satisfied with the stability..


That's great to hear. The controller is fantastic for this type of use.

Vinyl mode has been the major problem, however, for those of us who scratch and beat juggle. With the current iterations of firmware and software it continues to randomly drop out.
DJ Alibi 3:09 AM - 8 July, 2019
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Vinyl mode has been the major problem, however, for those of us who scratch and beat juggle. With the current iterations of firmware and software it continues to randomly drop out.


Yeah you're right even after setting it to performance mode I still had the same Dropouts just like you mentioned but on on Windows 10

I made a little vud of the problem
DJ Alibi 3:09 AM - 8 July, 2019
I made a little vid of the problem

youtu.be
djstefy74 10:27 AM - 8 July, 2019
Sad to see..have you tried or if you can try another Primo..to see if is an hardware problem..
DJ Tecniq 2:49 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.
brianbatesd 5:17 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.
brianbatesd 5:19 PM - 8 July, 2019
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It's not a unique issue. I have the exact same issue on my Primo. It's either a hardware flaw that needs to be recalled and repaired by Mixars or it's a firmware issue.
Ollieboy 6:49 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.

Check the plugs your using or the multiple outlet.
Mine was a grounding issue. I was missing the ground plug on my multiple outlet.
DJ Tecniq 10:50 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.

Check the plugs your using or the multiple outlet.
Mine was a grounding issue. I was missing the ground plug on my multiple outlet.
I said the same but in the YouTube comments i think he said it’s happened at multiple venues & diff outlets.
Res-Q 12:16 AM - 9 July, 2019
what about if you don't use the power outlet?
The Primo doesnt need power
Primo's audio quality remains the same using only the usb cable to power it. The lights are dimmed when not using the AC adaptor and it does not work as standalone mixer with just USB as the Phono Preamps need power.
Ollieboy 1:13 AM - 9 July, 2019
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The Primo doesnt need power
Primo's audio quality remains the same using only the usb cable to power it. The lights are dimmed when not using the AC adaptor and it does not work as standalone mixer with just USB as the Phono Preamps need power.

I wasn't using the Primo adapter but my speakers and laptop were plugged into a multiple outlet with a broken ground plug. Since they are all connected, bad grownding can interfere somehow.
Res-Q 1:29 AM - 9 July, 2019
so do you have this issue with proper grounding / connections too?
v@l 10:21 AM - 9 July, 2019
Ive used the primo usb powerd on dvs and it still works standalone..
DJ Jakey Chan 10:23 AM - 9 July, 2019
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Same issue i've had, happens at multiple venues on different plugs etc. and at random. I have tried all updates and calibrating etc.

Anyone from mixars able to comment if this will get sorted at some point ( is it firmware or hardware ? ) as for me its ruining the controller for me
brianbatesd 6:30 PM - 9 July, 2019
Same issue here as well. I've also tried bus-powered, ac-powered, trying to ground my hands before touching the unit, etc. Vinyl mode eventually drops out no matter what.

FW V1.13 Date 28/06/2019
– Improved jog wheel touch response. (Make sure to re-calibrate the jog wheel touch after firmware update)

I didn't notice any improvement on this build.
Mr. Goodkat 7:38 PM - 9 July, 2019
so overall how is it going w the primo?
Res-Q 10:46 PM - 9 July, 2019
you guys should email info@mixars.com they are quick to give answers
v@l 2:01 PM - 10 July, 2019
My Primo's rock solid zero issues apart from master volume on serato stuck at 12' 0'clock
brianbatesd 5:27 PM - 10 July, 2019
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Have you been scratching and cutting on it extensively?
v@l 7:49 PM - 10 July, 2019
Yes a lot of scratching and juggling no issues & im on the new firmware 1.3 even though i had no issues on 1.2..
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 10 July, 2019
If that’s the case, it’s could very well be a hardware issue like what happened with the 505
brianbatesd 4:53 PM - 11 July, 2019
Mixars response:

It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.
create0 5:03 PM - 11 July, 2019
That's really cognitive information to know about such a indomitable and concrete stuffs. I stolidly respect that effort and hope to keep the good work as same as always.
DJ Tecniq 6:03 PM - 11 July, 2019
SDJ is littered with bugs. Wish it was the same development team as Scratchlive...unfortunately unstable seems to be the norm going forward. To be honest I’ve never liked SDJ just had to adapt to it cause SSL is no longer supported.
dj_soo 6:36 PM - 11 July, 2019
It really isn’t. There are issues like anything else, but scratchlive has issues at the end too.
IssALeXLuThOr 8:34 PM - 11 July, 2019
hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur
DJ Tecniq 9:21 PM - 11 July, 2019
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It really isn’t. There are issues like anything else, but scratchlive has issues at the end too.
Strongly disagree I’ve never had GUI freezes or glitches on Scratchlive ever. SDJ constantly while searching/scrolling library.
brianbatesd 10:21 PM - 11 July, 2019
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hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur


Ran this through Google translate:

hello, I had the same problem with jogg's in vinyl mode but problem solved by changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings".

Thank you! Worth a try. A lot of us are at 2ms. Maybe changing to 5ms will fix the issue?
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 11 July, 2019
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changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings
Wait...where is the Mixars control panel? Did not know of this🤷🏼‍♂️ Only Serato buffer settings🤔
IssALeXLuThOr 7:54 AM - 12 July, 2019
le panneau mixars est normalement a cette adresse

C:\Program Files\MIXARS\MIXARS_Driver
Dj Youkai 9:10 AM - 12 July, 2019
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le panneau mixars est normalement a cette adresse

C:\Program Files\MIXARS\MIXARS_Driver


Hmmm... Is there a panel for Macs?
IssALeXLuThOr 11:07 AM - 12 July, 2019
pour mac je crois, pas de mise a jour du logiciel a faire

normalement totalement plug & play

donc je pense que la latence usb se règle dans serato onglet "audio"
DJ Tecniq 3:21 PM - 12 July, 2019
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Hmmm... Is there a panel for Macs?
Right. Never saw this mentioned in the manual either
brianbatesd 4:56 PM - 12 July, 2019
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pour mac je crois, pas de mise a jour du logiciel a faire

normalement totalement plug & play

donc je pense que la latence usb se règle dans serato onglet "audio"


Interesting. Maybe this problem only exists on MacOS computers.

I adjusted the latency in the Serato settings and it didn't fix the issue.
IssALeXLuThOr 8:59 PM - 12 July, 2019
oui mais il faut plutôt contacter mixars.

si probléme de micrologiciel sur MacOS
IssALeXLuThOr 9:01 PM - 12 July, 2019
je vais aller chercher un Mac ce weekend pour trouvé une solution
DJ Alibi 11:34 AM - 14 July, 2019
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It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.


Cool but it also happens on virtual DJ
DJ Alibi 11:35 AM - 14 July, 2019
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hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur


Ran this through Google translate:

hello, I had the same problem with jogg's in vinyl mode but problem solved by changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings".

Thank you! Worth a try. A lot of us are at 2ms. Maybe changing to 5ms will fix the issue?


I don't guess Windows has this panel?