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What happened with the mixars primo

Telony Ex 12:57 AM - 23 August, 2017
This was a very ambitious sdj controller to take the mid range market. Had all the standard whistles and bells. Since pioneer ducked out of the game to focus on their own software. This was definitely a controller i myself was looking forward to to replace my sx 2 with. In a sense it is pretty much the same thing. Just smaller. Cheaper and the mic input and effects were a seller for me.

Have not actually seen a workinh model of this no where on the web. Hmmmmm. Interesting. Been over a year now sinced it was announced
DJ Tecniq 3:12 AM - 23 August, 2017
They pushed the date back I think it's coming late September. I was thinking of this controller too but I'm prob getting the Denon MC7000 instead.
DJ Tecniq 3:15 AM - 23 August, 2017
Actually PSSL says Oct 7th
www.pssl.com
DJ Tecniq 3:17 AM - 23 August, 2017
Odd PSSL says Oct 2nd but Agiprodj says Oct 27th.
DJ Tecniq 3:19 AM - 23 August, 2017
And Idjnow says Expected August 2017 lol...who knows
www.idjnow.com
577er 7:09 PM - 23 August, 2017
This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
DJ Tecniq 12:01 AM - 24 August, 2017
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This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
Good point I was considering the Roland 505 as well but that small pitch slider concerns me.
577er 2:34 AM - 24 August, 2017
The small pitch sliders are not ideal but at least they are to the right of the decks unlike some other controllers. I always look at the screen when matching tempo in serato so it's not like a turntable or CDJ with a stubby pitch slider. That would be a non starter. The Primo's combo mic input is also better but the drum machine is just cool and you get the Serato software bundle with the 505. My real gripe is that the 505 is larger than the Primo which looks super portable.
DJ Tecniq 3:02 AM - 24 August, 2017
I will agree the Primo seems like a very lightweight option for mobile uses and added DVS is just really what I've been looking for. However the beatpad on the 505 would be really sick too for making remixes or redrums...tough choice.
DJ Tecniq 4:55 PM - 29 November, 2017
Crazy this controller still hasn’t hit the market yet. So far I’ve heard early Jan 2018. Sucks. It actually has more features for a 2 ch controller w/DVS. The jogwheel LED indicator will prob be the big seller.
Ollie 7:08 PM - 7 December, 2017
Still waiting on this controller. Probably my "be all, end all" once i get it. I'm a gear whore but
it's an expensive habit. What's going on Mixars?
dj_soo 6:47 AM - 30 December, 2017
Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
DJ Tecniq 11:35 AM - 30 December, 2017
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Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
I’m so with you on that i wanted the Primo but couldn’t wait a lifetime. I’m super disappointed in Mixars they put out that 4 ch Quatro before a 2 ch controller it’s kinda fucking ridiculous. I’m hearing it’s shipping out early next year but nothing has been confirmed from their rep. If it’s a total fail I’m going to laugh my ass off.
dj_soo 12:18 PM - 30 December, 2017
have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
DJ Tecniq 9:14 PM - 30 December, 2017
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have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
I think the sound quality has improved i have the SB2 and have used the old SR. What i didn’t like about the SR it only had the usb connection and it made a slight buzzing sound when connected. The SR2 however is completely silent. I love that the SR2 has the xlr outs but even with rca connection i think it sounds great. The one gripe i do have of the SR2 is the small pitch sliders cause if you’re at 16+ pitch speed it gets difficult to match bpm. This is not a problem when it’s at 8+. It’s hard to explain but because it’s not a full pitch fader you have to really tweak the pitch to match up the bpms day if you’re at 101bpm the opposite deck will skip 101bpm or won’t let you get to 101bpm so you have to adjust the playing deck to another bpm number like 102 and then try to get the other deck to match up to 102. It’s just more fiddling you have to do when it’s not a full pitch slider.
DJ Tecniq 9:17 PM - 30 December, 2017
Day = say*
dj_soo 7:27 AM - 31 December, 2017
I just copped an SR2 today and have been messing about with it the last couple hours.

It's... ok.

There's a lot I like about it, but also a whole lot I don't like about it. I may return it and try out the 505 - guess I have a month to decide and by then, maybe the primo will actually come out.

So far, the Primo is still the one I want, but I can't be waiting around forever since my VCI 380 is about to go...
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 25 January, 2018
So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
DJ Tecniq 9:02 PM - 25 January, 2018
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So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
Crazy dude! I had a feeling something just wasn’t right. A company like that doesn’t just shut their website down. Very shady.
DJ Tecniq 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
I was really hoping to see the Primo in action i think it was just a proto-type they showed last year at NAMM. What a joke!
dj_soo 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
DJ Tecniq 9:04 PM - 25 January, 2018
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well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
That’s very possible. Maybe inMusic lol.
dj_soo 9:16 PM - 25 January, 2018
I can't see that InMusic happening honestly - they have all their bases covered at this point.

Numark for their entry level/controllers, Denon for their high end club stuff, Rane for the high end scratch/hip hop crowd.

But who knows, the Quatro looked cool even if I would never get it. I was just hoping for that Primo to fill the niche of the Vestax controllers that no one has stepped up to fill. A higer end, 2 channel, fully featured, but compact controller. Everything else on the market is either too big or has too many compromises in design.
JDfunky 5:01 AM - 4 March, 2018
Man I was waiting for that Mixars Primo to replace my ageing Vestax VCI-380 (which I have loved).. so if Mixars is dead, what are my best options guys?

Don't care about price, happy to pay a premium since it's such a vital piece of kit.

Roland 505 has a drum machine which I don't need, but is it better than anything else, DDJ-SR2, Denon MC4000?
dj_soo 5:10 AM - 4 March, 2018
SR2 I think has overall more functionality as a strict DJ controller (i.e. ignoring the drum machine) and has better build quality, but 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.

Both are big tho.

MC4000 seems really limited in functionality - no DVS, only 4 cue buttons per side, need to pay for the Serato DJ license, but the price is nice.
JDfunky 6:11 AM - 4 March, 2018
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.. 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.
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505 sounds better? wow that's saying something if it's a noticeable difference..
dj_soo 6:12 AM - 4 March, 2018
you can hear it if you play them side by side. I think for the average person, they won't really hear a major difference, but when I a/b'd the SR2 and various other controllers and mixers, it was one of the weakest sounding ones of the lot.
GC-Intl 2:04 PM - 18 June, 2018
Hi folks, i just received the message from MIXARS today:
[...]

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
HellNegative1 3:42 PM - 18 June, 2018
I think Mixars shot themselves in the foot with the Quattro. It is clearly laid out as a DVS friendly 4 channel mixer, but the faders they decided to use kill the hopes of a lot of potential buyers.

I was someone who ignored that part of the reviews and purchased the Quattro anyway. I sent it back shortly after due to those faders just not meeting my expectations at all. As a Duo owner, I expected a lot more out of the quattro than what I got.


On a side note, I absolutely adore my duo.
DJ Tecniq 6:58 PM - 18 June, 2018
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Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
This is very interesting but when it’s released i think I’ll hold off. I love my SR2 but it is lacking full pitch fader and led indicators for the jogwheels. And yes they did shoot themselves in the foot they released a 4 ch mixer when 2 ch controllers w/DVS were just in the market. They had more to offer from their end of the 2 Ch controller market and they missed that mark they could of been the best company to put out a 2 ch controller w/led indication. Too bad they are way overdue.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 18 June, 2018
And honestly after all the hype and let down i may not even purchase it anymore cause of the huge delay. I bet it won’t be officially released till the end of the year...
Telony Ex 1:04 AM - 21 June, 2018
Ggod lick with that. I believe only reason we were so hyped about it was when we thought pioneer was done with serato. Since thats not the case. Hmmm. Mixars u better step up. Primo needs and update and its not even out yet
dj_soo 3:01 AM - 21 June, 2018
nah, the primo is still what I want in a controller. I bought and returned the SR2, been working with a 505 for the last few months and neither do it for me. They're both too big and have some dealbreakers for me.

I want something compact but pro with all the amenities of the bigger controllers - multiple, professional outputs, fully featured, proper build quality, DVS compatible, etc.

This is the spiritual successor to the VCI-380 a lot of DJs have been waiting for.

Only thing it's missing is tension adjustable jog wheels and a platter indicator (which hopefully will make it into the final release if it ever happens). I still don't understand how a company like Hercules can put jog wheel indicators on their shitty controllers yet pioneer won't on their highest end 2 channel controller.
JDfunky 3:57 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with @dj_soo. The Primo is what I'd like as a replacement for my ageing VCI-380.
DJ Tecniq 4:46 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with all of you but here’s my concern this will be the first controller Mixars has put out. I just hope if when it is released that the jogwheels are comfortable and work accordingly and i actually like them. The main seller here for me is the full pitch fader and the led on the jogwheels. Don’t get me wrong i still love the SR2 and it’s pitch play key shifting ability I’m not certain if the Mixars unit has those features and i hope the mic preamp is better than the Pioneer I also love that it has a xfader curve. Regardless I’m interested to see what others say I’m gonna wait till it is reviewed to make my decision. And if it sounds like a winner I’ll just sell my SR2 for $600 bucks. Guess we wait till we hear an update on release.
dj_soo 10:08 AM - 21 June, 2018
There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.
Aptidda 11:24 PM - 21 June, 2018
The Mixars Primo was a failed concept that did not gain any attention or interest in the Marketplace. As soon as Mixars found out what Rane had up their sleeve, those suckers threw in the towel and ran off like bitches.
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dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
The more you if more him, the less he derails any threads.
dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
*ignore
Mr. Goodkat 8:34 AM - 22 June, 2018
not true
HellNegative1 2:00 PM - 22 June, 2018
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not true


Agreed.
Aptidda 4:42 PM - 22 June, 2018
ya theres no stopping me. Rane Troll out....
DJ Tecniq 6:17 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂
DJ Tecniq 6:18 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixars*
GC-Intl 6:50 AM - 19 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
DJ Tecniq 2:27 AM - 20 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
Maybe that was their plan all along to wait till Xmas. Smart move actually just odd I’ve seen nothing on any online stores about when it arrives.
dj_soo 12:48 PM - 20 September, 2018
I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 20 September, 2018
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I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
Very possible I’m hoping we’ll be able to disable the strip search when a song is playing that’s what’s really cool about the SR2 you can use the strip search still as long as the song is paused and scan through it. Cause I’ve hit the strip search many times on accident while playing a song.
dj_soo 2:31 AM - 21 September, 2018
I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
DJ Tecniq 4:26 AM - 21 September, 2018
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I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
I think you’re right cause it’s a setting options in SDJ I believe that’s how i found it but couldn’t remember.
König Balthasar 12:48 PM - 14 November, 2018
Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.
GC-Intl 1:06 PM - 14 November, 2018
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Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.


we cant say how the mixars primo sounds, cuz none of us tried due its not released yet.

greetz
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 14 November, 2018
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- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
Yes I believe it does SR1 is very muddy sounding compared to the SR2

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- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
Yes higher output and controller led’s are much brighter

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- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
Have not compared the two yet. Most seem to think so

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- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?
Mixars has not been released nor tested to confirm that

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Thank you all for the discussions.
You’re welcome!
dj_soo 7:18 PM - 14 November, 2018
I didn't like the sound quality of the SR2, but it being externally powered will at least give it some more headroom.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 PM - 15 November, 2018
how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
DJ Tecniq 6:51 PM - 15 November, 2018
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how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
Honestly think it’s discontinued already. I don’t know what Mixars motive is anymore. The rumor i heard was RCF who owns Mixars was selling off all their stock.
Serato, Forum Moderator
Michael R 10:03 PM - 15 November, 2018
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Honestly think it’s discontinued already.

The Mixars QUATTRO is still in production :)
jprime 10:20 PM - 15 November, 2018
I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
DJ Tecniq 4:01 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.

i was thinking about using my mc7000 w my tech12s how is it distance wise do you even notice it
jprime 5:57 PM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.


How are you liking the SR2? I have a couple of questions if you don't mind - How is the stock fader for scratching and how does the unit sound?
dj_soo 7:59 PM - 16 November, 2018
Fader is ok - you can adjust the cut lag on the controller via the utility mode. It’s not a magvel or anything.

Sound quality wise, I personally wasn’t impressed. It’s adequate at best with your typical pioneee bump in the highs and a thin low end.

The vinyl preamps sound like shit tho - likely the same problematic preamps they put into the Interface 2 and the djm 250 mk2 that people have been complaining about.
wingcomm 5:09 AM - 13 December, 2018
It looks like the Primo will be available soon since its supported in Serato 2.1?
DJ Nin 4:16 PM - 13 December, 2018
Yeah, I would assume that's the case. I'm definitely interested.

Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...

What up Mixars?
jprime 5:05 PM - 13 December, 2018
Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Nin 5:46 PM - 13 December, 2018
^ Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...What up Mixars?
Same here. It didn’t seem as if the Mixars Primo had LED jogwheel indication just looks similar to the SR2 except full pitch slider and other features. Wish someone could confirm if it has pitch play ability cause it’s not mentioned in the description. The SR2 is Awesome but working without a full 100mm pitch slider is a pain.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
Well I’m sold and will prob sell my SR2. Just can’t wait to see some demo videos finally.
cosmicbaggy 7:30 PM - 14 December, 2018
Possibly swap out my dj505 if this proves worthy.
jprime 7:44 PM - 14 December, 2018
I'm in. Let's go Mixars.
Gio Alex 9:48 PM - 14 December, 2018
According to B&H

www.bhphotovideo.com

Expected availability: End of Dec 2018
dj_soo 10:10 PM - 14 December, 2018
almost feels like releasing a year late may actually help them in the long run. If it had released last year like it was supposed, the hype would have been immediately stolen by the release of the SR2. I recall a similar thing happened with the VCI-380. It released and a few months later, Pioneer announced the SX which totally killed the hype for the 380.
Gio Alex 10:13 PM - 14 December, 2018
True^^

This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.
dj_soo 11:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
There are only 2, 2 channel DVS capable controllers available right now - the sr2 and the 505 (which has a myriad of problems).

Most see the primo as the spiritual successor to the 380 which is something I’ve been wanting for a long time now.
dj_soo 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"


This could just mean that the ring changes color when you touch the platter. I’ll wait for a proper demo to see if it’s an actual indicator.
Gio Alex 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
I haven't had any issues with my SR2 (knock on wood)
DJ Tecniq 2:34 AM - 15 December, 2018
I just hope the Primo has a better mic preamp than the SR2. The Preamp in the SR2 is such a piece of shit like most Pioneer controllers.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 15 December, 2018
I gotta say, I had almost forgotten about the primo and chalked it up to being vaporware, but reading the manual has gotten me pretty hyped. Functionality-wise, it's almost everything I've been waiting for in a controller.

I hope they don't fuck it up.
577er 5:07 AM - 15 December, 2018
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I hope they don't fuck it up.


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deejayfatcat 1:09 PM - 15 December, 2018
I’ve almost bought a 380 a few times in the last year. Glad to hear this is going to come out.
JDfunky 4:42 AM - 16 December, 2018
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Gio Alex 9:16 PM - 16 December, 2018
What’s the big deal about the primo? Why’s everyone so hyped on it.
dj_soo 9:48 PM - 16 December, 2018
It’s a smaller sized fully featured controller that’s comparable to the old VCI 380 - with features that aren’t really available in anything but the larger 4 channel ones - long pitch faders, DVS capable, split cue, hardware filter effects

I personally don’t want a controller even the size of an sr2
Gio Alex 10:17 PM - 16 December, 2018
I mean don’t get me wrong... I’m not super stoked on the size of the SR2 either but the mixars joint looks toyish imo
JDfunky 12:21 AM - 17 December, 2018
@Gio Alex: Reviews have said that the Mixars unit is solid and the sound quality excellent. That's what I am mainly looking for to replace my ageing VCI-380.
dj_soo 12:32 AM - 17 December, 2018
All controllers look toying to me
Gio Alex 1:11 AM - 17 December, 2018
True
DJ Nin 2:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
I just want a solid, reliable controller that has good sound quality and good jog wheels (indicator is a must), along with all the smooth software integration that's standard on most controllers.

I have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.

I recently bought a Roland 808 but had to return it due to jog wheel & play button issues that I experienced straight out of the box.

Don't really have any interest in any of the Numark or Denon controllers.

SZ is too big.

So I'm hoping the Primo is the one. I own a Mixars Duo, which I love, so that gives me a little bit of faith in Mixars as a brand.
Gio Alex 2:57 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?
DJ Nin 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.
JDfunky 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?
Gio Alex 3:06 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.
DJ Nin 3:07 PM - 17 December, 2018
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@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?


For sure.
DJ Nin 3:16 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.
Gio Alex 3:22 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
DJ Nin 3:31 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.


Touche.
DJ Tecniq 3:37 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
Agreed. My Pioneer S9 sounds much cleaner than my SR2. But it’s not really a fair comparison it’s a mixer vs a controller. Maybe the preamp is better.
Gio Alex 3:42 PM - 17 December, 2018
It's unfortunate that sound quality is compromised across the tier of Pioneer controllers. I get separating features between models, e.g. ins/outs and so on btwn the more expensive models, but sound quality should not be a thing they mess with. All should have the same sound quality.
Logisticalstyles 3:48 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.
Gio Alex 3:49 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.


I would say mixer, not controller.
Logisticalstyles 4:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
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I would say mixer, not controller.

Nope, it's a controller. It won't work unless it's connected to a laptop running the software. Even Serato refers to it as a compact controller. That's why I said technically. People view it as a mixer since it has no jog wheels but it's 100% controller.

serato.com
cosmicbaggy 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?


I offloaded the SX2 because the sound was awful and accentuation was way to hot and replaced with the DJ505 but also had issued with the play button. I've recently had this serviced by Roland but this has certainly tainted my views in that if the reports of the Primo being both good in sound and reliability I'd look to shift the 505 also.

I've still got a Vestax VCI-400 of which I've hammered and not had one issue in all the year's I've had it...
Gio Alex 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
To me, if that shit aint got convenient buttons, fx, knobs, jogwheels and the whole nine, I don't consider it a controller, But I get your point about technically though. But you do also get what we mean by most compact controller with DVS. Like a fully controller that's compact with DVS features. I bought the SR2 for this reason.
jprime 5:39 PM - 17 December, 2018
Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
DJ Tecniq 6:41 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
+1 I’m anxious to see this thing demo’ed I’m quite surprised Mixars has not even released a demo yet looks like the unit was scheduled for realease around Christmas but won’t yet ship until January. I just wish they put out a statement from their team. There has been so much hype about this controller and not a single demo of its features yet or of it “in use”.
DJ Nin 6:59 PM - 17 December, 2018
After purchasing a dud version of the 808, if the Primo isn't legit I'm gonna fall into DJ controller depression, and will be going the Rahzel route at my gigs moving forward.
Mr. Goodkat 8:00 PM - 17 December, 2018
i just dont understand why ppl keep buying controllers if they sound terrible. how much room could 1 cdj and a mixer(instant doubles) take up compared to a controller.
Gio Alex 8:14 PM - 17 December, 2018
The thing is for a mixer and 1 cdj you're looking at two flight cases. Less portability. And also like 2K+ at least
DJ Nin 8:29 PM - 17 December, 2018
I've done the instant doubles thing before. I don't like it personally. I just find it annoying to DJ an entire night like that. Also, to be honest I fuck up too much.

Will forget to turn filter off prior to swapping songs

Will have echo out effect still on from previous transition and will be dead air initially when I switch crossfader all the way over

Will load song on wrong deck

Etc.
Mr. Goodkat 8:30 PM - 17 December, 2018
i get that, but if sound quality is what you are going for, it seems like it would be worth the extra money.

I found a cdj 900 nexus for 500$, and while i know thats rare, i found another for $900 off ebay that is basically new.

WHile looking around ive found a pair of OG 900s for $600 and they generally go for 4-600. Of course if you are only going for timecode, you can get some old 1000s mk3s and a quality mixer. There are plenty of mixers for 600-1000 that will give you better sound than a pioneer controller(even pioneer mixers).

I've started to use gator g club bags for my cdjs and mixer, and while they arent as protective if you actually have to go on the road, they work fine for local gigs.

the bag that works with 900s/2000s is a 19 inch controller bag for around 80-100$ on ebay or amazon. Ive added a little foam at the bottom, but they are basically perfect and have enough space to for extra cords.
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 26 December, 2018
What’s the latest news on the Mixars Primo. Still haven’t seen anything. No surprise here...Nothing from retail stores either. Gotta love the waiting game.😬
Serato, Forum Moderator
Michael R 11:01 PM - 26 December, 2018
They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
dj_soo 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?
WildcardX 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
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Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?

This would make a good Bet to see which gets released first. lol
DJ Tecniq 5:37 AM - 27 December, 2018
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They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
Interesting no official statement from Mixars. Least you got the deets for us👍🏼
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:14 PM - 27 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.


Ecler is the RANE of Spain! Hell they sound better then Pioneer mixers.

I have a NUO 4 and there’s no way I could ever get rid of it......
Serato, Forum Moderator
Michael R 9:22 PM - 27 December, 2018
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Interesting no official statement from Mixars.

Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December 14th:

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Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 28 December, 2018
Quote:

Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December.

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
They should add this statement to their website then.
Djkom 9:06 AM - 4 January, 2019
Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Mr. Goodkat 7:20 PM - 4 January, 2019
never heard of that dj, but she can cut, was impressed
DJ Tecniq 11:07 PM - 4 January, 2019
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Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Damn...thought it was January now February😬 At least it’s out there. Sad I gotta follow this chick just to see it🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 11:11 PM - 4 January, 2019
Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.
HellNegative1 7:58 AM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Dj Youkai 2:04 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com

Cool.. She Performed In Hawaii. Under my Good Friends of Level H :) Glad There is Some Sign That the Mixar Primo Is Coming Soon. Totally Interested in Checking Out that Controller Also :)
DJ Tecniq 9:12 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️
cosmicbaggy 9:27 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Looks like a lightbox to display her 'DJ name/brand'.

Ffs, this is what the craft has become...
Gio Alex 4:00 PM - 6 January, 2019
Lol yeah most likely a light box
Robb Royale 4:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:35 PM - 7 January, 2019
I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.
DJ JulioYEG 8:44 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com

nah i have a sticker light that's custom made dj stand that the back of your laptop display sits against ill try and find a better pic from a homie
DJ JulioYEG 8:45 PM - 7 January, 2019
www.instagram.com
DJ Nin 9:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. Not what I wanted to hear.
Gio Alex 9:05 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

Quote:
Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.

Quote:
I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

Quote:
Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Oooof... sounds like you'll need a higher tier model for that feature? Like how pioneer did
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:10 PM - 7 January, 2019
They say it depends on Serato.

I will be curious to see how they mapped it. .2.1 already supports it so the mapping is done already.

I have the SR2 and the lack of jog wheel/led ring indicator is a bummer.
dj_soo 12:11 AM - 8 January, 2019
The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.
Gio Alex 4:44 PM - 8 January, 2019
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The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.


You're right.

These small features are definitely left out to separate the tiers in the models. The thing that sucks is we don't necessarily want massive and heavy gear. Give me the pro features in a compact model. I'll gladly pay the extra bucks for it.
DJ Nin 5:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.
DJ Nin 5:05 PM - 8 January, 2019
Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II
Gio Alex 5:23 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 8 January, 2019
If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔
DJ Nin 5:35 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.


Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.
DJ Tecniq 5:37 PM - 8 January, 2019
One thing I really dislike about the SR2 is the small pitch fader. So I’m still considering getting the Primo for that reason alone and the xfade cut on the unit itself is very convenient. I think the sound quality on the SR2 could of been improved but when you’re buying a small controller like that they tend to really cut cost on quality which is unfortunate. I’m curious to see how the Primo compares in sound quality.
Gio Alex 5:38 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.


That's really all in makes sense for IMO. bar/club install. Other than that it looks no different then when cats used to lug the one coffin with the turntables and mixer slot.
DJ Nin 5:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔


It's like they don't want our money. Seriously, this has been discussed to death on this forum and still no one has stepped up to make a legit 2 channel controller without a stripped down set of features. WTF.

The only time I use 4 channels on my SX2 is when I'm doing weddings and I have 2 mics hooked up and even then it's only because the SX2 doesn't have separate mic inputs. I don't know anyone who actually uses 4 channels to mix. Shit is way too confusing and really just unnatural IMO with only 2 jog wheels and the 1/3 2/4 buttons.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?
DJ Tecniq 5:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
And don’t tell me it can’t be done because Hercules did it first with the jogvision. But c’mon only 1 master rca out...😐 No idea what Mixars is talking about cause this one here is supported for Serato....🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:00 PM - 8 January, 2019
Give me this...with your standard Master XLR/RCA, Booth, Full 100mm pitch fader, xfade reverse/slope and I’m all in. Why hasn’t Hercules did a mk2 version of the Jogvision. This is such an easy sell.
youtu.be
DJ Nin 6:21 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Quote:
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato


Basically if Serato doesn’t code the LED’s then it is what it is.....
DJ Nin 7:07 PM - 8 January, 2019
Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
DJ Tecniq 7:10 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
+1
Gio Alex 7:11 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that
DJ Nin 7:22 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


LOL. I know but I had nothing to lose and the timing was right so why not
HellNegative1 7:25 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.

That aside.

I am all for the smaller controller argument. It's sad that I can fit an SC5000 with a Mixars Duo into carry on, but there still isnt a compact controller on the market with all the same features in a carry-on sized package. Manufacturers have really missed the mark formid-range touring open-format DJ's.
DJ Nin 7:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
DJ Tecniq 8:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:49 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you
Gio Alex 8:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Not too far off, average of 4-6 years per feature lol that already exists on other platforms
DJ Nin 9:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Good lookin out Sparky. Thanks fam.
DJ Nin 9:03 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.


Right. I said that actually.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 3:13 AM - 9 January, 2019
The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...
dj_soo 3:22 AM - 9 January, 2019
god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?
HellNegative1 3:23 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...


So it is not made up of individual LED's that addressable via Midi CC? That makes sense. These aren't out in the wide wild yet, so actualy capabilities haven't ben shown.
HellNegative1 3:24 AM - 9 January, 2019
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god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?



I have now clue, cause it's not even an expensive add. Look at the encoders on the Behringer CMD controllers. Those thinks were cheap af, but still had CC addressable LED's around the encoders.
dj_soo 3:43 AM - 9 January, 2019
fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.
Gio Alex 3:54 AM - 9 January, 2019
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fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.


I suspect two reasons.

1) they have no way to separate the models and tiers other than features and extra channels. Which is dumb in our opinion because most of us don’t need the 4channels. We just want portable, lite, but pro.

2) clearly they’re not looking at these forums
DJ Tecniq 4:18 AM - 9 January, 2019
Roland DJ 505, Pioneer SR2, Denon MC4000, Mixars Primo all of these 2 ch decks have no playhead indicator. The only solution is to get this...but i hate Rekordbox so that’s out🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
dj_soo 4:48 AM - 9 January, 2019
RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
dj_soo 4:52 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.


I wonder how the relationship actually works. Do the companies just design a controller, plop it in Serato's lap and say "make it work?"

I know when I worked in videogames, all the major console companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo had a specific set of guidelines you had to follow in order to maintain consistency in certain features and UI cues.

I wonder if Serato has a set of universal guidelines or if it's just them trying to implement whatever ideas the companies come up with?
DJ Tecniq 5:26 AM - 9 January, 2019
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RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
Are you kidding? What’s the purpose of that controller anyway. DVS should be pushed throughout their software.
dj_soo 5:27 AM - 9 January, 2019
the purpose it to provide a relatively full-featured standalone controller that's cheaper than a set of XDJ/CDJs and a mixer.
dj_soo 5:28 AM - 9 January, 2019
most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:51 AM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:57 AM - 9 January, 2019
I messaged Serato on fb. Here’s their reply.

Me: Will there ever be a Serato replica of this unit. Really would like a compact 2 ch controller w/DVS & jogwheel indicator. So many djs would want this especially us mobile guys. Figured I’d ask
youtu.be

Serato: Thanks for your message.

I can't really tell if there will 'ever' be a serato version of this unit, but there is already an option that meets your desired specs of 2 ch/DVS/jogwheel indicator. This would be the DDJ-SR2. It doesn't have a screen like the XDJ-RX2, but you can always get the Numark dashboard to if the screen was a 'must have' for your ideal setup.

Also, in case there's many users requesting this feature, ideally they would be posting their feedback any other suggestions on future features in the Feature Suggestions area on Serato.com:
- serato.com

This is where our products team hangs out, and view these requests. Which ultimately means they use this part of the forum to help decide what to put into future releases, so your feedback is always welcomed and the many other djs who want this can get behind the request by adding their +1.

hope this clarifies things

Me: I have the SR2 and it does not have a jogwheel playhead indicator so this is not an option. Thanks for the message. My suggestion you need a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel playhead. There currently isn’t one for Serato except for the Hercules Jogvision which has no DVS or full compact features in a smaller controller.

Edit: The main thing i got wrong was I thought the XDJ controller had DVS. What a waste. Quite a confusing response considering whoever from Serato that responding didn’t understand what i meant by “jogwheel indicator” meh...
dj_soo 11:02 AM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.
HellNegative1 6:46 PM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.


I will continue on this. The current trend in both DJ and Production hardware is to go full standalone. In the foreseeable future, Laptops will primarily be used by DVS users. Especially as more and more affordable standalone solutions hit the market.
Mr. Goodkat 8:04 PM - 9 January, 2019
im currently working on going no laptop.

i played for years with a couple cd books and two crates of vinyl, surely 16-32 gb drive should be enough. Seems like a challenge of several sorts, not to rely on visual cues(which there are actually plenty on a cdj, but not a 13 in screen) and to be organized and more effcient(44k songs really isnt needed everytime i go dj).

plus no downloading requests(nobody tips like they used to anyway)
Gio Alex 8:56 PM - 9 January, 2019
Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.
Mr. Goodkat 9:37 PM - 9 January, 2019
serato could compete with rekordbox easily if they did that.

have organizational software for usbs (and serato dj pro if you wanted to use that), like rekordbox.

probably easier said than done though.
Gio Alex 9:40 PM - 9 January, 2019
The cool thing is they wouldn't have to worry about macOS and Windows as much. They would solely control the upgrades/updates/patches.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.
Gio Alex 4:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.


That would be so dope!
HK1200 5:48 PM - 10 January, 2019
It would be dope until they upgraded the software to the point that the hardware they sold you for thousands of dollars a couple of years ago is no longer powerful enough to run it. Then it's "buy another one, ya rich mf" time.

They'd probably love it, but the whole "so what, buy another one" mindset doesn't really jive with me.

I absolutely see the appeal though and would pony up in a heartbeat for the right piece of equipment at the right price, but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.
Chino 6:11 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)
dj_soo 6:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?
Gio Alex 6:30 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)


This is why I thought the price of the rane twelve was a bit high. At least with a turntable it still plays records. So it serves a purpose other than serato.
HellNegative1 7:04 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.



It can handle even more. We have thrown some crazy projects at the MPC Live and it doesnt even stutter.
HK1200 7:10 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?

Very true, though I'm personally not rushing out to buy cdj's. I skipped that fad and kept it vinyl + dvs, so to me CDJ's don't have a lot of value, which is why I kind of didn't think about them. You're right though, certain cdj units still draw some fair money. The large majority of them ended up in junk piles though I imagine because there were a lot of crappy offerings over the years, but there are definitely some undeniable gems out there for what they were.

The controller market on the other hand, I don't know. Being all in one, something mission critical is more than likely going to break or malfunction eventually, rendering the whole shebang out of service and in need of repair. Doubly so if it's a true all in one computer free affair I'd imagine. If it's end of life and out of warranty it may or may not be an expensive proposition to fix, if the manufacturer is even willing to continue to service them like due to parts availability. Then there is the time involved. Cuts into my perceived value anyway. At least with a modular setup like cdj's, vinyl, or a 12, you can source and swap out the individual component to keep you going if you even need to do that much.

Like you said, even when everything is working fine, those new features can really be tempting. Sometimes you've just gotta have them. The hard part then becomes convincing the other guy that he doesn't need them and Twitch is every bit as good and functional as SDJ 5. ...and paying for the new hot shit, of course. If two twelves and a 72 are like 4 or 5 grand I can only imagine where they'd price such a beast. 7 or 8g's? 12,500 in Canada? Lmao, I'd still love to see it though.
HK1200 9:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.
Gio Alex 9:47 PM - 10 January, 2019
well instead of matching waveforms it could just show you the track data like a cdj does.
dj_soo 10:15 PM - 10 January, 2019
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I skipped that fad


it's not really a "fad" at this point. It's basically the standard.
HK1200 10:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Fair enough, but I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props" was often uttered, even if it isn't really an accurate mantra anymore as they did seem to end up winning the mainstream dj format wars. You pretty much had to learn to deal with them if there weren't any 1200's around and you weren't bringing your own.

As a format though, CD's are pretty much done. They're on life support, anyway. On the bright side, Technics is making the 1200 again, so maybe the format war isn't over after all.
dj_soo 10:32 PM - 10 January, 2019
Yea, CDs are long done, but the "CDJ' is now just a synonymous term for a standalone USB media player.

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I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props"


That time was 10 years ago.
dj_soo 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com
HK1200 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
The strong preference towards an SL1200 is timeless, imho.
HK1200 11:02 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com


$1700 probably wouldn't have been an unreasonable ask at all, had it come true. Traktor though. Wouldn't it be be nice if it could run whatever you wanted, assuming you paid for the license? Man, that would be sweet.
dj_soo 11:37 PM - 10 January, 2019
I mean, it's just a mini windows tablet built into a mixer loaded up with the sofware. Traktor actually allows for touch screen controls tho which is why they probably chose it since Serato is still falling behind on a good touch screen or ios version of their software.

Today, you could probably have traktor or DJay Pro or something loaded up on an ipad and slot it into a mixer running a sound card or something and get the same results.
HK1200 12:03 AM - 11 January, 2019
Kind of surprising that none of the major players have done it.

I'd be lying if I said that I haven't dreamed of cobbling something of my own together out of an old flight case or something. Mini PC in the base, either a Serato enabled mixer or even an analog one with an sl box stuffed in there, screen on a hinge with a thumb screw to tighten it down at whatever angle works for you, maybe a mini trackball or one of those little nubbins the thinkpads use recessed somewhere in the face of the mixer or something... Then just a single power cord, and connect your deck of choice.

Shit sounds like a lot of work though. Can't Rane just make one for us? Lol
DJ JulioYEG 1:41 AM - 11 January, 2019
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"Cdj's get no props"

we talking about cdj 100s??
HK1200 1:46 AM - 11 January, 2019
Yup, we sure are.
DJ JulioYEG 1:53 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Yup, we sure are.

stanton was ahead of the game at that time u missed out.
www.amazon.ca
HK1200 2:09 AM - 11 January, 2019
Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.
DJ JulioYEG 2:14 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.

numark cdn 450 brotha then i had the icd mix 2 lol with the built in mixer
HK1200 2:20 AM - 11 January, 2019
My man, lol.
DJ JulioYEG 2:29 AM - 11 January, 2019
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My man, lol.

trust g back in simpler times when id have a peice of paper in front of every cd slot with a piece of paper with the track time title and bpm and id highlight the best track green seccond best yellow and 3rd best blue lol
DJ Tecniq 2:35 AM - 11 January, 2019
Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔
HK1200 3:24 AM - 11 January, 2019
Ah, yes, of course, the Primo! Sorry, A.D.D makes it hard to stay focused for months on end. Lmfao

It's the only non spinning deck all in one style controller I'm really all that interested in. I hope they're actually able to pull it off, and do it well. I'd consider adding one to the arsenal if it turns out as well as I l'd like to hope.
Dj L-Biz 3:14 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II


I second this.
I still happily use my vci380, its a proper work horse.

To me it seems baffling that Vestax had such a forward thinking design team and no other company has picked up on all the positives from the vci380 and incorporated them into other controllers. If only Vestax had got the dvs firmware upgrade out before their demise, it would still be a near perfect controller.

Positives that I feel should be included in all mid-range controllers of a similar size/footprint and above imho:
Tension adjustable jogs
Led position display in jog wheels
Touch strip
dvs options (ok it didn't happen for the vci380 but the potential was there)
Removable user replaceable x fader
Spare in & outs - mic & aux as well as those needed for potential dvs

Anyway, just my 2 cents, as i'm happy to keep using mine (when not using dvs) with a feature set/design/tech that has existed for 6-7 years, at least until something that ticks all the boxes (for me) comes out
jprime 4:52 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔


Yes....patiently waiting here. checking Long & McQuade's site daily to see if it's in stock.
HK1200 5:49 PM - 11 January, 2019
The Primo is pretty much the only thing that kept me from finally breaking down and buying a 380. Lack of DVS and no company left to speak of were obviously big considerations, though theres no telling how long Mixars may or may not be around. Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed for them.
deejayfatcat 3:15 AM - 12 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.


Pre 2000, most clubs had 1200s and a Denon 1800/2100/2600F. Also, most mobile jocks ran them too. When pioneer first came out with a shuttle style player before the tabletop format. I had a 2100F and it was essential in that time where MP3s became commonplace but DVS wasn’t mature yet(around 94-99)
HK1200 4:26 AM - 12 January, 2019
Yup, I was around, but I was still a vinyl holdout at that point. For permanent installs in clubs and such they were definitely installed almost as standard operating procedure. Like every bar, club, strip joint, etc, but generally they would be used in situations where the Dj was expected to be more of an MC than mixologist, on regular nights anyway. Not to say that some folks couldn't get down on them and mix their asses off, but realistically their limitations prevented them from being used under a lot of circumstances. In the crowds I rolled in there was simply no place for them, but even back then I could always respect the guys who used them to host events because those types of gigs took a whole different skill set to pull off week after week. Mic work, being a cordial host, guiding ceremonies and such, taking requests and customer service. It's just a whole different level.

The rack mount style were well suited to the mobile guys of the day, being a hell of a lot lighter and easier to lug around than 1200's and 8+ hours of vinyl and whatnot. If the events you were doing were the type where they look at you funny for scratching in a track or if quick mixes were all that was required, who could blame ya for lighting your load? Pio sure turned that side of the market on it's ear though.. and for the better, all considered. The evolution was substantial. The explosion in the controller market overall only makes sense as a natural progression.

The Primo looks like it might be a lot of fun, especially considering it's size and format. It wouldn't replace my 1200's, but I could actually see myself dragging it all over the place just for the hell of it. That would be a nice change of pace.
HellNegative1 1:19 PM - 12 January, 2019
Just checked the midi implementation chart for the primo. Will have to verify once it actually comes out and I get to map one to Traktor, but it does look like the LED ring has individually addressable LED's via Midi CC. Which would mean that the track position indicator being left out is a decision by Serato and not Mixars. However, there are only 18 LED's to form the entire ring, so position display may not be very accurate.
GC-Intl 8:51 PM - 14 January, 2019
For all who had the same question regarding POST CROSSFADER FX:

From the PRIMO manual section C)

There are 2 audio routing settings in Primo, namely the Serato routing and non-Serato routing.
In Serato mode routing, the Primo acts as a controller and most of the mixing is done in Serato DJ software.
** It allows post-crossfader FX from Serato DJ. **
HK1200 8:57 PM - 14 January, 2019
Excellent.
Logisticalstyles 4:16 PM - 18 January, 2019
ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
DJ Tecniq 4:50 PM - 18 January, 2019
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ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
Nice are you purchasing? I really wanna see a demo first before i make that decision.
Logisticalstyles 5:14 PM - 18 January, 2019
Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
HK1200 7:01 PM - 18 January, 2019
$550 is a nice price for this. I hope to hear good things. It's definitely on my radar for a side-piece.
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 18 January, 2019
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Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
I feel you i already have a S9 and t-tables but i rarely get time to use it since my son has been born. I got the SR2 but would rather want a full pitch slider so may sell it for the Primo. Awaiting YouTube for the demos...hehe
dj_soo 2:05 AM - 19 January, 2019
I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
DJ Tecniq 8:21 AM - 19 January, 2019
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I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
I hear you. My S9 & tables stay at home. The SR2 is for mobile use if it had a full pitch slider I’d prob keep it. The key shifting is a cool function and there’s been no talk of the Mixars having the same feature? Gonna wait I guess
dj_soo 8:25 AM - 19 January, 2019
should be able to map it - that's what I've done with controllers in the past.
Logisticalstyles 2:52 PM - 19 January, 2019
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The key shifting is a cool function

If I sell my SR2 that will be one features I'll miss. I'm sure it can be mapped but the placement of the controls on the SR2 is perfect for me.
DJ Tecniq 1:51 PM - 22 January, 2019
So who’s got the Primo? Seeing on a lot of online stores it’s selling out...🤔
jprime 5:36 PM - 22 January, 2019
Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 22 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
Saw some stores it can be purchased pre-order. Spoke to zzounds and they said Jan 26th they’ll receive shipment but that is not certain from the manufacturer yet. Still playing the waiting game...😬
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:40 PM - 24 January, 2019
If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
jprime 8:45 PM - 24 January, 2019
Except there's nowhere to buy it online yet :(
dj_soo 8:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.


Available for preorder here: www.avshop.ca
DJ Tecniq 8:56 PM - 24 January, 2019
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If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
Great point but i don’t want to be an early tester if say the unit is defective in some way. The cool thing about zzounds is they have a “pay as you play” option where they bill you monthly and ship the unit to you with no credit check. I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo. I’m gonna wait and see demo’s. Can someone confirm if Mixars is at NAMM? Maybe we’ll finally see the unit in the works...crosses fingers🤞🏼
DJ Tecniq 9:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
If you want to get a great deal Agiprodj is having a moving sale. On their site the Primo is retailed at $599.00 if you use their code “movingsale” at checkout you can preorder the Primo for only $509.00 new. That’s a $90 discount not bad.
www.agiprodj.com
DJ Tecniq 9:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
However some sites are selling it for $549.00 while others are selling it for $599.00 which i find out but I’m sure they can price match.
DJ Tecniq 10:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
Find odd*
HellNegative1 6:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
ZZounds will price match and sometimes price beat.
DJ Nin 7:44 PM - 25 January, 2019
Still no new videos on this mythical piece of gear
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo.


That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
DJ Tecniq 10:14 PM - 25 January, 2019
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That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
Agreed. I just hope the mic preamp on the Primo delivers cause the SR2 is god awful but like most Pioneer controllers their mic preamp is shit.
Ollieboy 10:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
DJ Nin 11:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)


(1989 Keanu Reeves Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Voice)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA

That's great news.
DJ Tecniq 12:59 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
Holy shit...finally a 2 ch controller with LED indicator. May just pre order sooner than i thought🤔
Gio Alex 1:43 AM - 26 January, 2019
Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
Ollieboy 2:33 AM - 26 January, 2019
Going back tomorrow. I'll try and get it on video as well as more info. It was working great. Aaron the sales rep was very informative. Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.
DJ Tecniq 4:35 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
As far as i know i doubt it for the SR2. Def needs a full pitch slider though
Gio Alex 5:37 AM - 26 January, 2019
Damn I read that somewhere. Maybe it was feature request and not a thing they said.
Clubber1970 8:53 PM - 26 January, 2019
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 11:04 PM - 26 January, 2019
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Looks dope i love the built in fx cause the SR2 does not have that and I’m not a fan of SDJ fx. Looks solid. Noticed how he said it’s been widely talked about on the Serato forum...well yeah it was supposed to come out 2 yrs ago.
DJ Tecniq 12:49 AM - 27 January, 2019
My only concern is I hope the Primo can fit my Pioneer case if not I’ll have to sell both the SR2 & case.
Ollieboy 3:20 AM - 27 January, 2019
Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
Ollieboy 6:00 AM - 27 January, 2019
More video from TheDjHookup
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:03 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2
Ollieboy 7:40 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2

I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
DJ Tecniq 8:45 AM - 27 January, 2019
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I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
SR2 is the same but what i love most it has a lot of features the SR2 does not.
dj_soo 10:47 AM - 27 January, 2019
I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:24 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
Clubber1970 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


Well there is an option in Serato for that to be able to use the strip only in pause mode.
Ollieboy 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


I told the rep that. There should be a way to disable it but I haven't checked.
DJ Tecniq 6:10 AM - 28 January, 2019
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Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
You can disable needle search while the track is playing it’s in the software settings. The SR2 has the needle search at the top and I’ve hit it a few times at gigs when applying fx so therefore i disabled it so when the deck is paused you can still needle search tbh I like the placement better on the Primo.
jprime 10:26 PM - 29 January, 2019
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Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.


Quality info there thanks.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:57 PM - 30 January, 2019
I could never disable it because I use it because it aligns perfectly with the wave forms on the screens.
I never could make use of the needle search until I changed to that setup.

I would definitely be more likely to bump strip with my hands on the jogs than when reaching for the effects but that's just me.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 4:01 PM - 30 January, 2019
AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
DJ Tecniq 1:06 AM - 31 January, 2019
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AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
It’s true thedjhookup.com will have it in stock tomorrow they quoted me $489.00 presale price but I’m gonna wait it out still. There currently is no protective case for it yet and I want to protect my investment. Also I’m gonna wait to hear reviews on it but it looks like many online retailers will have it in stock. If anyone here purchases it plz let me know after reviewing it👍🏼
Johnnynights 9:39 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Johnnynights 9:40 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
dj_soo 9:44 PM - 31 January, 2019
If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.
HellNegative1 10:25 PM - 31 January, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro
Ollieboy 4:14 AM - 1 February, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro


I think it will. As long as the glitches are kept to a minimum or null, it's gonna be a hit. Also if they fullfill the request for LED indicator.
DJ Tecniq 4:22 AM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Johnnynights 11:44 PM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Yeah I got it for 470 from my dealer...for sure I will...I'm pumped to try it...if it's that better from my sx2 i will sell my sx2...
DJ Tecniq 6:09 PM - 3 February, 2019
So who’s got the Primo can’t believe no reviews are out yet🤔
Serato, Support
Mike.C 1:40 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
DJ Tecniq 3:50 AM - 4 February, 2019
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You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
Nice i thought I read somewhere it had dedicated pitch play. Still this is a great replacement for the SR2 it really offers more for the value. I’m dying to see a review🙏🏼
dj_soo 9:31 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.


oh man, I want this controller even more now. Really, really hope this thing doesn't have any major fuckups. If they actually get the LED ring indicator functionality, the only thing it's missing for me is tension adjustable platters.
jprime 4:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Beuller? Anyone get it in their hands yet? Patiently waiting for it to show up in the Canadian online stores as available and not pre order.
Djkom 5:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com
Johnnynights 6:12 PM - 4 February, 2019
I got the controller and so far I love it...very portable the knobs and jog wheels everything feels like good quality for me...however the 8 pads I like them better on the ddj sx2 but that's just me...the on board fx are awesome to have...also the primo is way louder than my sx2 in output(maybe different gain settings)...like when I'm on the last green it sounds way louder and crispier than my sx2...sound quality I think this sounds way better than my sx2...I will test it out on a big system when I get a chance.

Everything else I like the primo better than my sx2...looks like it's going to replace my ddj sx2 for most of my gigs..

Feel free to ask me anything about it...
Johnnynights 6:17 PM - 4 February, 2019
Also another thing it has aux/mic switch in front(rca input)...crossfader curve knob adjustment..

Hats off to mixars they did an awesome small controller with almost everything a dj wants...

Only thing I wished it had would be tension adjustable platters like dj_soo said up there.
Johnnynights 6:20 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
DJ Nin 6:23 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
Ollieboy 6:26 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?


The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
DJ Tecniq 6:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!
dj_soo 7:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Can you give the rough dimensions? They still don’t list them on their site
DJ Nin 7:53 PM - 4 February, 2019
Per zzounds;

- Dimensions: 20" x 13" x 2.6" in
- Weight: 9 lbs.
DJ Tecniq 8:32 PM - 4 February, 2019
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The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
Personally love this. The SR2 is not listed as compatible on innofaders website only the SR is listed. It’s awesome the Primo is compatible!
Dj Youkai 4:06 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Johnnynights 6:59 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
The jog wheels feel good they feel a bit more lighter than my sx2...the crossfader I didnt really mess with it but as soon as I do..i will give you my input on it..I heard you can swap a innofader in these..
Johnnynights 7:03 AM - 5 February, 2019
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Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!

Oh yeah I still gotta test that one out too..the led ch indicators I love that it has them..thanks so far I'm loving the controller..I cant believe I'm actually liking this controller better than my sx2..maybe of how compact it is.
dj_soo 7:09 AM - 5 February, 2019
can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?
Johnnynights 7:10 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Lol you will like it...they are like the same size as a ddj sx2..yeah they look big because the size of the controller is pretty small ..

Now I need to get a case for it lol.

If any of you guys get it..I'm sure you will like it just like me...
Johnnynights 7:24 AM - 5 February, 2019
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can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?

Yeah for sure check my ig page
dj_soo 8:57 AM - 5 February, 2019
awesome - looks pretty much the same size as a VCI-380
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:04 AM - 5 February, 2019
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can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?

Yeah for sure check my ig page


Is it class complaint on MacOS?
dj_soo 9:46 AM - 5 February, 2019
No driver for Mac so sounds like it
DJ Nin 3:30 PM - 5 February, 2019
I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.
Dj Youkai 4:32 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Thanks For the Your Review. I think I found a Magma Case that Wil fit Almost Perfectly for the Mixars Primo
It's the Magma CTRL Case XXL II DJ Controller Case. Here are the specs.
External dimensions (H/W/D): 25″ x 14.4″ x 3.2″
Internal dimensions (H/W/D): 24.2″ x 13.3″ x 2.7″
Weight: 5 lbs

The Mixars Primo Dimensions are:
20 x 13 x 2.6 inches

The it's like 4.2 inches longer, but that extra space might be great for your usb cables and ac adapter. 😊
Hope This Helps 😊
cosmicbaggy 4:44 PM - 5 February, 2019
Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...
DJ Nin 4:50 PM - 5 February, 2019
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Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...


No doubt. I get that.

I have a couple Casino gigs later this month where I play from 6-2. Assuming there are no hiccups on Friday, I'll be using the Primo there as well.
Johnnynights 4:51 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Awesome bro yeah I feel you on the onboard fx I'm only using the filter but however I still like the filter on my ddj sx2 better but that's not issue..

I need to get a case soon..ima look into those magma bags...I think I'm no longer going to use the mini coffins
DJ Nin 4:56 PM - 5 February, 2019
Yeah, I agree SX 2 Filter is better, but like you said not a big deal.

This is the case I have. XL Plus version. Really light..

www.zzounds.com
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 5 February, 2019
How is the sound quality? 6” platters i think are slightly bigger than the SR2.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 5 February, 2019
I haven't had a chance to hook it up to speakers yet. Just messed around for about an hour with headphones on. Sounds good in headphones, but not really a fair assessment.
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 5 February, 2019
Primo case mentioned here by Magma
youtu.be
Dj Youkai 10:41 AM - 6 February, 2019
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Primo case mentioned here by Magma
youtu.be

Thanks, Saw that Before, Just I don't think it was out yet at AMS. So I just went for another Magma Case that fits close to it.
DJ Alibi 3:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
DJ Tecniq 5:28 AM - 8 February, 2019
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Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
How’s the sound quality and test out the mic output if you can.
Johnnynights 6:00 AM - 8 February, 2019
I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
DJ Tecniq 8:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
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I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
Cool man thanks. Was able to get the Primo pre order pricing to extend till this week so i may jump on it early after all.
DJ Nin 9:37 PM - 8 February, 2019
From Serato regarding the jog wheel indicator..
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Hey everyone,

Glad to hear you are enjoying the Mixars Primo and we appreciate your feedback on the integration. Its great to hear from people who are actually using the controller!

During development Mixars and Serato decided to use the platter ring to display track load status and track end warning. Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring. We are currently working with Mixars to get this feature included in a future release of Serato DJ. No dates yet sorry.

Hope that helps!
Sam GG
DJ Tecniq 10:11 PM - 8 February, 2019
I just ordered mine was able to still get preorder pricing even though it's already in stock got it for $489.00 via thedjhookup.com. Those guys rule! Can't wait to compare this with my SR2...I will be doing a review comparing the two. Shall be fun.
DJ Tecniq 10:12 PM - 8 February, 2019
Used PayPal credit so I'm not breaking my bank quite yet.
DJ Tecniq 10:20 PM - 8 February, 2019
Also zzounds gave me a price quote of $511 which is pretty decent. They could not price match what I was quoted from djhookup only advertised. However Zzounds has an awesome "pay as you play" option/no credit check and no interest if paid in full in 6-12months.
Logisticalstyles 10:26 PM - 8 February, 2019
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Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring.


DJs have been asking for jog wheel indicators ever since companies started making controllers without jog wheel indicators. It's funny how he tries to make it sound like some new request from DJs.
dj_soo 10:30 PM - 8 February, 2019
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Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring.


this is just so hard to believe imo - it leads me to believe that a lot of these developers are living in a bit of a bubble when it comes to designing the products.
DJ Tecniq 10:46 PM - 8 February, 2019
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DJs have been asking for jog wheel indicators ever since companies started making controllers without jog wheel indicators. It's funny how he tries to make it sound like some new request from DJs.
It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.
DJ Tecniq 10:48 PM - 8 February, 2019
But seriously maybe them adding this indicator in the Primo will raise the bar for 2 ch decks. Honestly what kind of 2 ch battle/controller DJ doesn’t want that option🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Alibi 1:01 AM - 9 February, 2019
i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators? and yes i will test the mic tonight!
dj_soo 1:13 AM - 9 February, 2019
no indicators on the SR2.
Logisticalstyles 1:21 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.
DJ Tecniq 1:28 AM - 9 February, 2019
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i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators? and yes i will test the mic tonight!
no jogwheel indicators unfortunately but a pretty neat controller still. The negatives non full pitch slider, no xfade reverse,curve knob, no aux channel, no mic fx...the Primo literally offers much more imo.
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dj_soo 1:38 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


I stopped using controllers once I got my 72 in the summer. Never want to go back to lugging turntables out (which is a reason I don't want the 20 lbs Twelves), but with my Denon SC3900s, it's a lot more manageable, and for smaller gigs, I'll just bring a single.

A few of my regular gigs have been a lot more fun once I went back to the spinning platters.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:10 AM - 9 February, 2019
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It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.


How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
DJ Tecniq 3:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:46 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.


I know I'm much older school than you and over the years we always struggled to find ways to use more than just (2) 1200.
My original reason for leaving Scratch and going to Traktor was to get 4 decks.
Still miss certain things about Traktor but I survive.

I think the worst marketing ploy they have is that button that allows you to do 4 decks on a 2 channel unit because not having 4 faders with 4 decks is not a fun way to work.

I guess Mixar felt that the 4 channel market was a harder arena to jump in?
Will be really interesting to see if they add the indicator for playback and how it actually pans out.
dj_soo 4:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
My guess is that they saw an opening in the market and went for it. When it was first announced, there were no 2 channel controllers capable of DVS, now there are still only 2 available.

And there are still no controllers that fulfil the niche that wanted something similar to the VCI 380 - which was a compact controller with pro features.

The 4 channel market is crowded as all fuck as is the beginner market, but no one was making a more pro 2 channel controller since vestax when it was announced.
DJ Nin 7:35 AM - 9 February, 2019
I used the Primo tonight for the 1st time at a gig.

Sound quality is good. Definitely sounds better & louder than my SX 2.

Mic output was good too. Was getting feedback initially, but I swapped cables and then it sounded a lot better
deejayfatcat 1:15 PM - 9 February, 2019
This is really encouraging. I’m going to see if it will fit in my MC4000 case.
DJ dVO 2:31 PM - 9 February, 2019
The Mixers Primo is a great replacement for users of a VCI-380 or the likes. Everything I read about the Primo is awesome! It bags a lot of punches for a small controller! And at $549, it can't go wrong! I wish they hadn't used a 12V DC power cable though. This thing gets damaged so easily!

I have been looking for a replacement for my VCI-380 but real standalone (laptop-less) controllers are here so getting the Primo would be a one to one replacement. I hope to be less reliant on my old laptop for gigs.

As much as I like about the Primo, I am going to wait out a tad longer to see what's in the pipeline for a compact standalone controller.
DJ Tecniq 7:52 PM - 9 February, 2019
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I also forgot to mention i personally love 2 ch devices because it saves more space with t-tables combined. I prefer the t-tables as close as possible. With a 4 ch deck is less space. I understand 4 ch’s have their place but there isn’t a big market for 2 ch controllers. Mixers on the other hand is different. There needs to be more balance so I’m hoping we’ll see more 2 ch controllers coming into the market esp for Serato cause it’s very limited. Not every mobile/club DJ wants to haul around a 4 ch deck.
Gio Alex 3:05 PM - 11 February, 2019
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i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators?


Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


it's basically their way of separating the tiers and justifying having to buy the other ones by having less or more features on certain models. It's crazy because I wouldn't mind forking more money for a portable, smaller sized controller, but full professional features. To me, an SZ2 or whatever isn't really mobile. just my opinion.
Logisticalstyles 5:18 PM - 11 February, 2019
I can imagine in the future DJs talking about how hard they had it back in the days using jog wheels with no indicators. Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.
577er 5:40 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.
Gio Alex 5:50 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.


LOL
jprime 5:57 PM - 11 February, 2019
Still not available in Canadian online stores. Sigh
dj_soo 6:53 PM - 11 February, 2019
That was me waiting for the 72. Didn’t hit Canadian stores til like August or something when it released in the states in april
jprime 7:01 PM - 11 February, 2019
Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
DJ Tecniq 7:28 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments
dj_soo 7:31 PM - 11 February, 2019
I’ve ordered from b&h a few times to Canada and they’ve been pretty good - no shipping costs for orders over $100.

Duty wise, it’s a crapshoot. Looking at the price difference between the one Canadian store that has it listed, it’s only about a $30 difference, but you’d likely have to cover the taxes as well.
jprime 7:35 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments


That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
DJ Tecniq 1:18 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.
DJ JulioYEG 1:19 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.

the economy
DJ Tecniq 1:30 AM - 12 February, 2019
www.acclaim-music.com you try this Canadian store?
DJ Tecniq 1:31 AM - 12 February, 2019
My bad www.acclaim-music.com
dj_soo 1:47 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:52 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.
yes! but u gotta have connections as profit margins are smaller unless your buying anything canadian made such as yorkville
There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:53 AM - 12 February, 2019
idk wtf just happened but : yes! t u gotta have connections tho as profit margins are smaller so discounts are more rare unless your buying anything Canadian made such as Yorkville
dj_soo 6:08 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?


$550 USD = $730 CAD so it's not that much more. The cost difference is likely due to import costs and duty.
jprime 5:16 PM - 12 February, 2019
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My bad www.acclaim-music.com


Looks like a winner here. Even offers a promo code for first timers. Cheers man :)
Ollieboy 10:19 PM - 12 February, 2019
A few side by sides with the DDj-SR, Primo, and VCI-380
Also looks like the primo fits the Magma Bag for the SR well. I really want a Decksaver for it though.
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dj_soo 11:30 PM - 12 February, 2019
Hope that thing fits in my bike messenger bag. I've been enjoying biking to some of my smaller gigs and my VCI 380 fits perfectly in my large saddle bag with room for a laptop, stand, and various cables/chargers.
Ollieboy 1:17 AM - 13 February, 2019
Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:04 AM - 13 February, 2019
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Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
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Really appreciate you for doing this curious as to which wireless system you were using. From what I can see the Primo was connected out to your wireless? The mic sounded great and i like how full the EQ made the mic sound. Very good
DJ Tecniq 6:06 AM - 13 February, 2019
This is really reassuring considering my Primo will arrive V-Day👍🏼
DJ Tecniq 4:36 AM - 15 February, 2019
Size comparison. So far I love the jogwheels getting used to them is tricky coming from a Pioneer deck cause it’s completely different they have a rubber feel to them which for me allow my finger tips to stick better. Was surprised the Primo is actually smaller but looks wider. Sound quality I believe is improved compared to the SR2. The filter fx are nothing impressive and can seem overbearing but hopefully there’s a way to tweak that in settings. Too early to tell still but i feel i can scratch easier and the xfade cut is sharper. Love the curve control & reverse xfader. Very handy
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DJ Tecniq 4:39 AM - 15 February, 2019
The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.
Ollieboy 6:24 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
DJ Tecniq 7:44 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
Great suggestion however the foam pads that latch on underneath the laptop stand that keep my SR2 in place are too small for the Primo. Not too familiar with other foam padding I’ll try a google search. Thanks!
DJ Tecniq 7:53 AM - 15 February, 2019
What I did notice about the Primo it has more weight to it compared to my SR2. It feels solid underneath. Maybe they used better HQ parts? What I didn’t like my left pitch slider doesn’t lock as tight in the middle position (0 point) as my right side slider. The right side locks and makes more noise than my left. I’m going to test it out more I haven’t had much time. Will not be gigging with it it’s for home use. I can’t take chances with it for important gigs.
Dj Youkai 11:09 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

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DJ Tecniq 2:14 PM - 15 February, 2019
The Magma Riot XL is awesome. Extremely rugged and plenty to store it’s carried my S9 everywhere before I got a controller. Ask for a discount i got mine for 10% off for Xmas 3 yrs ago.
John Calipari 3:28 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.


Or turntables with no Pitch Controls
Dj Youkai 4:43 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

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Awesome!!! I'm indeed getting one, Thanks Alot!!! 😁
Djkom 5:00 PM - 15 February, 2019
It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁

Back to the primo, can someone tell us what's the differences between usb powered mode and dc powered one ? Sound quality, lights intensity, features activated or not (dvs..) ?
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:25 PM - 15 February, 2019
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It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁



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DJ Alibi 2:05 PM - 16 February, 2019
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Magma Riot Bag XL

is that the backpack?
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 16 February, 2019
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is that the backpack?
Correct👍🏼 they have a trolly bag as well for travel but i just have the back pack. Have had it for 3-4 yrs and it’s so well built.
Ollieboy 7:13 PM - 16 February, 2019
I wonder why they haven't jumped on making a Decksaver available for it now considering they're both under MWare?
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 7:30 PM - 16 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?
DJ Tecniq 11:49 PM - 16 February, 2019
Great review of the Primo. The sound quality is impressive for a small controller.
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577er 4:15 AM - 17 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?


You still can’t really play words ontop of words let alone 4 words on top of words... thus the song vs track comment. Also, just play better music that doesn’t need all that extra crap.
deejayfatcat 1:18 PM - 17 February, 2019
Anything I need to do with more than 2 decks these days can be accomplished with sample decks.
Ollieboy 5:58 AM - 21 February, 2019
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What I did notice about the Primo it has more weight to it compared to my SR2. It feels solid underneath. Maybe they used better HQ parts? What I didn’t like my left pitch slider doesn’t lock as tight in the middle position (0 point) as my right side slider. The right side locks and makes more noise than my left. I’m going to test it out more I haven’t had much time. Will not be gigging with it it’s for home use. I can’t take chances with it for important gigs.


Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
DJ Tecniq 6:29 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
Have not had this occur. Are you using pitch n’ time?
Ollieboy 6:37 AM - 21 February, 2019
Not using PiT check it out.

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Ollieboy 6:38 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Did you have issues with the L jog wheel? When I baby scratch I noticed it scrubs the track back but lags when I scrub forward.
Have not had this occur. Are you using pitch n’ time?

Not using pitch in time
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DJ Tecniq 7:14 AM - 21 February, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be
Very odd however you are using PNT it’s clearly visible in the keylock area. The PNT symbol is there. Try disabling PNT.
DJ Tecniq 7:15 AM - 21 February, 2019
But now I’m curious to find out which Mac and OS you’re using?
Ollieboy 7:32 AM - 21 February, 2019
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But now I’m curious to find out which Mac and OS you’re using?

Looks like it resolved itself. Could be the angle at which I was holding the platter. So I was probably grabbing at an angle or spot where it's between nudge and scratch

Mid 2012, 10.13.4
Ollieboy 7:37 AM - 21 February, 2019
They put the Key lock next to the autoloop so I find myself accidentally hitting keylock. I gotta get use to this layout.
DJ Nin 4:02 PM - 21 February, 2019
Here's a little quick mix using the Primo
Watchvimeo.com
DJ Tecniq 4:56 PM - 21 February, 2019
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Watchvimeo.com
Great job bro. What I noticed about the Primo is when the track is almost over the jogwheel acts like a LED indicator and the blue LED turns around the jogwheel. What I found interesting is when you grab the jogwheel the LED still acts like an indicator point. So this is def coming in a firmware update.
DJ Nin 5:22 PM - 21 February, 2019
Thanks man.

Hope you're right about the indicator. Hopefully sooner rather than later also.
jprime 5:25 PM - 21 February, 2019
How's the stock fader?
DJ Nin 5:33 PM - 21 February, 2019
It's ok IMO. Cut in could be better. I think the stock fader on the SX2 is better.

Probably gonna install Innofader.
DJ Alibi 7:23 PM - 21 February, 2019
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It's ok IMO. Cut in could be better. I think the stock fader on the SX2 is better.

Probably gonna install Innofader.


I wonder if that would take some soldering, I've never replaced a fader before but now I'm thinking about it
DJ Alibi 7:24 PM - 21 February, 2019
Also, someone started a Mixars Primo Users Group on Facebook, (just search) there's only two people so far, it would be great to have others on board LOL
dj_soo 7:32 PM - 21 February, 2019
If the controller is listed as compatible, you usually just have to install the fader and use a connector - shouldn’t require soldering.
Ollieboy 1:51 AM - 22 February, 2019
Man the sound comparison between the Pioneer SR and the Primo is night and day. Primo so much more louder
dj_soo 2:53 AM - 22 February, 2019
My VCI 380 sounds better than the SR. It's just not a very good sounding controller.
Ollieboy 4:59 AM - 22 February, 2019
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My VCI 380 sounds better than the SR. It's just not a very good sounding controller.


The VCI-380 has it's own power source. But in regards to the Primo, when being USB powered ( i know it also has a power adapter) is louder than the USB powered DDj-SR
dj_soo 5:41 AM - 22 February, 2019
it sounds better than the SR2 as well.
dj_soo 5:41 AM - 22 February, 2019
I'm not talking volume but just pure sound quality. make them the same volume and most things still sound better than the SR
DJ Nin 3:54 PM - 22 February, 2019
Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.
Ollieboy 4:56 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?
jprime 4:59 PM - 22 February, 2019
Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P
DJ Nin 5:34 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?


I was using the power source
DJ Tecniq 6:37 PM - 22 February, 2019
I only tested it at home with usb power and the sound quality is really great for a 2 ch controller.
dj_soo 6:48 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P


Let me know what - if anything - you have to pay in duty and taxes.
DJ Tecniq 6:52 PM - 22 February, 2019
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Bit the bullet and ordered online from a US shop. Hope it doesn't take too long :P
No stores in Canada have it in stock?
dj_soo 6:56 PM - 22 February, 2019
took us about 4 months before we saw any Rane 72s on the shelvs after it released in the states. Could be the same with the primo. If it's really in as demand as they say it is, we're a low priority region since we have such a small population comparatively.
DJ Tecniq 7:12 PM - 22 February, 2019
Well what’s really odd is the Mixars Primo used to be on the Amazon site but now it’s not listed anymore. I doubt it’s in high demand most online U.S. stores have it in stock.
DJ Tecniq 8:17 PM - 22 February, 2019
Can someone point me in the direction of where i can find some thick foam padding cause there currently is no carry case w/laptop shelf that fits the Primo and I’m trying to find a solution to use it with my Pioneer case for my SR2.
DJ Tecniq 8:17 PM - 22 February, 2019
For my Primo* sorry
DJ Alibi 11:45 PM - 24 February, 2019
shouldn't take long for Serato to update the jog indicator lights, already working for mapping for "other software" lol
dpcar10 5:14 AM - 1 March, 2019
I have the primo. I will be taking it out this Friday. Build quality is nice and yes, playback leds on the platter will be added in the next serato update. You can get a preview of the feature by skipping to the final seconds of a track. Currently the end of track warning is exactly what we are waiting for. Lol
DJ Tecniq 7:46 AM - 1 March, 2019
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I have the primo. I will be taking it out this Friday. Build quality is nice and yes, playback leds on the platter will be added in the next serato update. You can get a preview of the feature by skipping to the final seconds of a track. Currently the end of track warning is exactly what we are waiting for. Lol
Yup noticed this myself the LED on the jogwheel acts as an indicator around the jogwheel toward the end of the track. I’m glad we get to see what it would actually look like. The indicator light is really big and very bright so this will really help out in dark environments for juggling or play position etc. Really glad i picked up the primo it has more umph in sound quality compared to my SR2 as well. It is def noticeable.
Ollie 9:39 PM - 3 March, 2019
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Ok so I used the Primo for one of my casino gigs last night. 8 hours of jams were provided.

I know this has already been established, but the Primo takes massive elephant shits all over my SX 2 in terms of both sound quality & output. This thing is LOUD. Crazy how much of much a difference in sound there is between the 2 controllers.

Upon further review...Crossfader cut in is better than I initially thought. I didn't quite have the cut in on the sharpest setting and once I adjusted it made a difference.

One non-awesome thing I did notice is that there is a dead zone between 0 to .5% & 0 to -.5%. on my unit. Although tempo adjustments in this range can still be made with use of the SYNC button.

Overall though, I'm really liking this controller so far.

Nice!!! Were you using the power adapter or were you just USB powered?


I was using the power source


Regarding the Primo, is there a noticeable difference in sound output between using the adapter vs. usb power?
dj_soo 3:26 AM - 5 March, 2019
So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?
DJ Tecniq 4:35 AM - 5 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?
Sadly i haven’t been able to play with it except once when i got it lol. Been using my SR2 for mobiles since the Primo doesn’t fit a case and i have my 1/half yr old son during the week who’s a handful and I never get the time unfortunately. Kids can be fun but they can really take up daddy time😕
dj_soo 4:59 AM - 5 March, 2019
half a year or year and a half. At half a year, I used to practice with my kid in the strap on harness and she'd eventually just fall asleep.

Once she hit like 2, shit like this started happening: www.facebook.com
dj_soo 5:00 AM - 5 March, 2019
this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.
Ollieboy 7:42 AM - 5 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Haven't had this issue in a while. Could be the angle of the which I was grabbing the jog wheel.
Ollieboy 7:54 AM - 5 March, 2019
The onboard effects work good but I find them a little too sensitive with the knob only at 1 o' clock The keylock button could be at a different location as it's close to the autoloop. I think the pads could be made a bit more sturdier but they work ok so far. I just don't know how much banging the pads can handle before they become unresponsive. The sound is excellent though. Still a great buy for the price IMHO.
DJ Tecniq 9:48 AM - 5 March, 2019
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A year and a half and getting into everything😭 Snapped one of our window blinds in half today to be exact. Too active for me to play with my DJ toys😬 But i do enjoy my time with him he’s just curious about everything will be 2 in July. Time flies
DJ Tecniq 9:52 AM - 5 March, 2019
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Oh shit lol...sounded good though. Hit me up if you want to get direct audio instead of microphone noise I can help you.
DJ Nin 3:43 PM - 5 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.
Res-Q 3:48 PM - 5 March, 2019
Any of you guys tried to play vinyl with it?

- How do the phono preamps sound?
- Do the eq work while spinning vinyl?

Asking because on the SR2 it only works with DVS and you can't eq or spin any vinyl record for the matter
dj_soo 7:36 PM - 5 March, 2019
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Once she hit like 2, shit like this started happening: www.facebook.com
Oh shit lol...sounded good though. Hit me up if you want to get direct audio instead of microphone noise I can help you.


I’ve figured it out a while ago. My kid is hitting kindergarten in sept - can’t wait to get little bit of a life back.
Dj Youkai 9:34 PM - 6 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?
Ollieboy 7:46 PM - 7 March, 2019
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this looks a little concerning: Watchwww.youtube.com

I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?

Only the left but narrowed it down to a grounding issue.
Ollieboy 7:50 PM - 7 March, 2019
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I've also read some issues with the outputs failing.

Is it only on your left Jogwheel that's happening or the Right One Also?

Actually the scrubbing issue was probably the angle I was grabbing the platter.
DJ Alibi 2:35 PM - 9 March, 2019
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- How do the phono preamps sound?
- Do the eq work while spinning vinyl?

i use it with 2 Numark PT01 Scratch! sounds great! can even use the 4 onboard effects with it, and DVS works great!

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Barnum 3:32 PM - 9 March, 2019
Hey guys, I’m still kind of a new DJ and am looking at the Primo and SR2. I’m want to know a side-by-side feature comparison of these two and also your opinion of why I should buy whichever one you choose. On a side note, please only compare these two I’ve listed. This would be really helpful. Please reply soon! Thanks guys!

P.S. does the Primo include Serato Pro?
PL_Se 4:09 PM - 9 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.



Midi issues for me.

The pitch fader accuracy is the main issue so far.
It's a 100 mm slider but the resolution is definitely too low (about 0.15 bpm) so you can't get an accurate manual beatmatching. There are shorter pitch faders that have a much higher resolution.
It looks like the slider is working in 7-bit mode only (it only sends one control change midi message).
It's unclear to date if it also supports 14-bit mode which would improve the resolution a lot.

The FX beats endless rotary encoder not always works like it should. 2 or 3 clicks (instead of one) are often needed to adjust the beats.

The play button occasionally fails to start a track (it looks like the track starts and stops at the the same time) and you have to hit it once again.
Ollieboy 5:03 PM - 9 March, 2019
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So it’s been what, a little under a month since this dropped? Most of you owners have probably had a good number of gigs on this unit by now.

What do y’all think? Any quirks or bugs you’ve found so far?


So far so good for me. I haven't had any issues yet.



Midi issues for me.

The pitch fader accuracy is the main issue so far.
It's a 100 mm slider but the resolution is definitely too low (about 0.15 bpm) so you can't get an accurate manual beatmatching. There are shorter pitch faders that have a much higher resolution.
It looks like the slider is working in 7-bit mode only (it only sends one control change midi message).
It's unclear to date if it also supports 14-bit mode which would improve the resolution a lot.

The FX beats endless rotary encoder not always works like it should. 2 or 3 clicks (instead of one) are often needed to adjust the beats.

The play button occasionally fails to start a track (it looks like the track starts and stops at the the same time) and you have to hit it once again.

Should report these so they can fix it on the next firmware upgrade.
Ollieboy 5:04 PM - 9 March, 2019
Btw
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Ollieboy 5:06 PM - 9 March, 2019
In case you need to do a fader calibration or firmware upgrade. Here you go.
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WildcardX 6:00 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Hey guys, I’m still kind of a new DJ and am looking at the Primo and SR2. I’m want to know a side-by-side feature comparison of these two and also your opinion of why I should buy whichever one you choose. On a side note, please only compare these two I’ve listed. This would be really helpful. Please reply soon! Thanks guys!

P.S. does the Primo include Serato Pro?

It's in the listed hardware as Serato DJ Pro supported (This hardware unlocks Serato DJ Pro for free when plugged into the software.)

serato.com
DJ Tecniq 6:03 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.
Ollieboy 6:12 PM - 9 March, 2019
Primo> SR2
DJ Tecniq 6:45 PM - 9 March, 2019
I got the Primo for $489 @ www.thedjhookup.com whichever you decide on do not pay full price ask what's the best deal you can get they'll usually work with you. Most online retailers will.
DJ Barnum 6:54 PM - 9 March, 2019
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I got the Primo for $489 @ www.thedjhookup.com whichever you decide on do not pay full price ask what's the best deal you can get they'll usually work with you. Most online retailers will.

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Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.



Thanks so much so just to clarify, in terms of “features offered”, which device has more than the other to offer? I’m trying to get one that will be more valuable to me and last me longer.
DJ Barnum 6:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
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Yes most mid grade controllers unlock SDJ. I have both controllers and feel the Primo has better sound quality. Have not really had any pitch slider issues either. SR2 has better features but the Primo is still a great buy. Sharper fader cut on the primo as well as xfade curve knob & dedicated aux input.


In other words, which of these two is the best all-around DJ board: Primo or SR2?
DJ Tecniq 7:51 PM - 9 March, 2019
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In other words, which of these two is the best all-around DJ board: Primo or SR2?
They each have their own uses. I personally like the Primo better as it will have a jogwheel indicator that will surface in a future firmware update i also prefer the full 100mm pitch fader over the SR2. However there is no carry/laptop shelf case for the Primo yet so take that into consideration. My suggestion try out both if you can.
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 9 March, 2019
And there’s plenty on the primo that the sr2 doesn’t have.
DJ Barnum 11:10 PM - 9 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?
Ollieboy 12:30 AM - 10 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?

Yes. Btw, What system are you currently using?
dj_soo 1:07 AM - 10 March, 2019
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SR2 has better features.


What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?


I think you’d be good with either personally.

On paper, the Mixars seems to be better in most categories in terms of features and sound quality, but I’ve never used it so I’ll let someone who has experience in both respond.

The big thing pioneer has on Mixars is just the track record of the company. While far from perfect over the years, pioneer gear works for the most part and if it doesn’t work, they are usually quick to address it.

The primo is the first controller from a relatively new company - and while the Duo seemed to be pretty good, it’s not like it was some revolutionary design - they just copied the traktor z2 and made it for serato. And given the recent rumors that they have been dropped by RCF and are either going independent or backed by someone else that we don’t know that could be a concern. Pioneer is not going anywhere and that guarantees, at least basic customer support for the foreseeable future whereas Mixars could potentially be one or two failed products away from closing up shop.
DJ Tecniq 1:44 AM - 10 March, 2019
The big thing is you can really customize a lot of settings with the SR2 in utility mode. I don’t think there’s anything you can really customize on the Primo except for the xfader. I have not seen a xfader replacement yet for the SR2. The innofader is not listed as compatible but u may be wrong.
DJ Tecniq 1:45 AM - 10 March, 2019
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DJ Barnum 1:40 PM - 10 March, 2019
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What exactly does the sr2 have that the primo doesn’t?

I thought it was more limited at first too, but looking at the manual and pics, I couldn’t really find anything that the sr2 can do that the primo can’t.


Thank you! So would you suggest getting the Primo over SR2? I couldn’t find as much info as I hoped to find, but I have a few gigs coming soon and I just want to be sure which one has more features than the other.

Also, does the Primo fluidly work with Serato Pro, just as the SR2 would?


I think you’d be good with either personally.

On paper, the Mixars seems to be better in most categories in terms of features and sound quality, but I’ve never used it so I’ll let someone who has experience in both respond.

The big thing pioneer has on Mixars is just the track record of the company. While far from perfect over the years, pioneer gear works for the most part and if it doesn’t work, they are usually quick to address it.

The primo is the first controller from a relatively new company - and while the Duo seemed to be pretty good, it’s not like it was some revolutionary design - they just copied the traktor z2 and made it for serato. And given the recent rumors that they have been dropped by RCF and are either going independent or backed by someone else that we don’t know that could be a concern. Pioneer is not going anywhere and that guarantees, at least basic customer support for the foreseeable future whereas Mixars could potentially be one or two failed products away from closing up shop.



Is Mixar really that close to closing up shop? If so, that makes me worried now to even purchase one. If they go under, that means no warranty support or anything :/ I just love the set up of the Mixar so much and it’s features. Also, the SR2 is like $200 more than the Mixar which is kind of lame. Not sure what to do.
DJ Barnum 5:10 PM - 10 March, 2019
Also, does the Mixar Primo allow you to change the sound effects on the FX nobs at the top like Pioneer boards?
dj_soo 5:40 PM - 10 March, 2019
No, Mixars isn’t close to closing up shop - but as a company, the chances of it happening is much higher than pioneer - which is set for a good while.
DJ Tecniq 6:22 PM - 10 March, 2019
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Yes you can change the built in Serato fx just like the SR2 at the top. And the Mixars unit is slightly smaller than the SR2.
DJ Barnum 12:53 PM - 11 March, 2019
Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

“Thanks for contacting us.
Mixars is part of RCF group, and under dB-Technologies since over 3 years and expanding every year in terms of products.
It is also the first time we hear about this very surprising rumor.”

Thanks for your help with everything. I just think before we spread rumors, we should try to seek out the truth first.
DJ Barnum 12:59 PM - 11 March, 2019
For those who live in the U.S. and need any possible warranty claims for there Primo or other Mixar products, here is a U.S. phone number and website. I had to ask to get this information because I couldn’t find it online myself.

“Our National distributors take care of service / after sales and warranty.
For the U.S. it's Mixware LLC (CA) www.mixware.net +1 818-578-4030”
DJ Tecniq 5:12 PM - 11 March, 2019
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Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

“Thanks for contacting us.
Mixars is part of RCF group, and under dB-Technologies since over 3 years and expanding every year in terms of products.
It is also the first time we hear about this very surprising rumor.”

Thanks for your help with everything. I just think before we spread rumors, we should try to seek out the truth first.
For the record I was never the one spreading the rumor. 🤷🏼‍♂️
HellNegative1 5:51 PM - 12 March, 2019
There is a new rumor about Mixars going under every year since the Duo released. I think a lot of it stems from the feud that occurred between Audio Innovate and Mixars in the past.

Mixars is not going anywhere. Their products have, so far, been rock solid and are very prevalent in the non electronic/hip-hop focused part of the DJ industry.
DJ JulioYEG 1:59 AM - 13 March, 2019
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Btw, DJ Techniq, before you spread rumors about companies, here is the response from Mixar about the condition of their company (they are going strong with RCF):

btw when you are saying your a new dj and asking about a controller you probably shouldnt correct someone or even worse correct the wrong person lmfao
dj_soo 4:14 AM - 13 March, 2019
it was clearly stated it was just a rumor - shouldn't take that at face value.

Incidentally, I noticed it's sold out at B&H (it's my store of choice when shopping in the US since they offer free shipping to canada) which is a good sign that it's moving units at least. I for one love seeing viable competition and choice in the market.

Also just checked DJhookup.com and it's sold out there as well.
boo-lee 12:10 PM - 13 March, 2019
My Mixars Primo arrived last friday and I must say that my first impressions are very positive. Build quality looks great, the looks are professional (certainly not a "cheap" impression). I also like the large jogs and faders for such a compact device.

I had a Pioneer DDJ-SX before and it doesn't feel like a downgrade at all.

Only minor downside is that the sound effects knob (for filter, noise etc.) is a bit too sensitive compared to the same knob on Pioneer devices.

Next saturday I will have my first all night gig with the Primo. I will let you guys know how it went.
DJ Stygma 3:03 PM - 13 March, 2019
DJ Tecniq, I have seen a few videos on YouTube with peeps having trouble with the Mixars Primo like the one linked, have you noticed any of these issues?

Watchwww.youtube.com
mixgoonie 3:16 PM - 13 March, 2019
This is a post that can be found on the youtube video :

hmmm, after i saw your vid i tried on Windows and had no problems..
DJ Tecniq 4:43 PM - 13 March, 2019
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DJ Tecniq, I have seen a few videos on YouTube with peeps having trouble with the Mixars Primo like the one linked, have you noticed any of these issues?

Watchwww.youtube.com
The Video you are describing was from a ground issue with his power strip or power outlet. He mentions that in the comments. Not sure why he hasn’t deleted the video yet but as for the jogwheels i have not had issues at all.
Ollieboy 8:52 PM - 13 March, 2019
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My Mixars Primo arrived last friday and I must say that my first impressions are very positive. Build quality looks great, the looks are professional (certainly not a "cheap" impression). I also like the large jogs and faders for such a compact device.

I had a Pioneer DDJ-SX before and it doesn't feel like a downgrade at all.

Only minor downside is that the sound effects knob (for filter, noise etc.) is a bit too sensitive compared to the same knob on Pioneer devices.

Next saturday I will have my first all night gig with the Primo. I will let you guys know how it went.


The other alternative is to use the Serato FX and assign the Filter knob to one of the 3 knobs up top
boo-lee 9:24 PM - 13 March, 2019
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Nice suggestion!
dj_soo 11:20 PM - 13 March, 2019
Is there a way to adjust the hardware filter resonance?
DJ Tecniq 2:47 AM - 14 March, 2019
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Trying to find this out myself. The filter fx are loud as hell. Too loud where it overpowers the song imo.
PL_Se 12:11 PM - 15 March, 2019
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Is there a way to adjust the hardware filter resonance?
Trying to find this out myself. The filter fx are loud as hell. Too loud where it overpowers the song imo.



There's no way to adjust the resonance but the filter knob in the mixer section has also midi functionality so you can easily assign it to the serato filter in the midi panel if you don't like the hardware filter parameters.
DJ Tecniq 12:22 AM - 16 March, 2019
Messed with the Primo today. Things i dislike. For a 100mm pitch slider it really skips bpm ranges. I don’t know if that’s the software itself cause when you move the pitch slider it takes awhile for SDJ to catch up like SDJ isn’t fast enough. For example i had a song playing at 101.1 bpm however the opposite deck would not reach 101.1 precisely it would skip to 101.2, 4, 6 etc and then other times the pitch accuracy is fine. It’s weird i didn’t think this would be an issue cause it’s a 100mm pitch slider so the accuracy “should” be there. My SR2 however has the same issue but is more accurate imo. I figured since the SR2 isn’t a full pitch slider that’s why that occurs. Basically you really have to fidget with the pitch slider on the primo.
DJ Tecniq 12:24 AM - 16 March, 2019
Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Stygma 12:26 AM - 16 March, 2019
Is that the same pitch slider that doesn’t click on the middle that you mentioned on the YouTube video or both of them?
DJ Tecniq 12:30 AM - 16 March, 2019
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Well here’s my other gripe. The halfway point should be highlighted in darker white font or bolder so that “we” know that’s the middle point. They really could of added more detail to that. A lot of times I’m fidgeting trying to find my 0” point esp in dark environments. They both click it’s just not very noticeable when in use. Usually you can move a pitch slider back n forth and know “exactly” where the middle point is cause the “click” determines that. But the slider is so smooth from beginning to end i feel they really missed that mark.
DJ Tecniq 5:34 AM - 18 March, 2019
Another thing. I can’t use the master volume in SDJ with my Primo...it is frozen and i can’t adjust the volume at all. I also have been having issues with the master LED levels redlining when my ch gain isn’t up high at all.
Mixmag19 9:56 AM - 18 March, 2019
Hi, i have the same problem! The master volume is locked when i connect my primo with my macbook. With no connection i can change the volume.
Last year the SX3 from Pioneer had the same problem. It was a hardware bug then...
I dont hope that the same problem with the primo appears...
Thanks.
DJ Stygma 12:23 PM - 18 March, 2019
I was about to order a Mixars Primo, but the more I hear, the more I think I will take a wait and see approach.
DJ Tecniq 8:45 PM - 18 March, 2019
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Yup May send mine back if this doesn’t get resolved. I will be contacting Mixars.
PL_Se 9:08 PM - 18 March, 2019
It looks like they are already working on a firmware update so it's the right time to discuss the issues we are experiencing and report them to Mixars and Serato to have a fully functional controller.
dj_soo 6:55 AM - 19 March, 2019
Gear always seems to be a game of compromises and ends up being what you're willing to put up with in order to get what you like.

For me, not having internal software master volume (which is likely a bug) isn't a problem for me since I never touch that and leave at a twelve and only use the hardware master volume.

The poor pitch resolution is disappointing tho - especially considering the large pitch faders are supposed to improve that.
DJ Tecniq 1:45 PM - 19 March, 2019
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And this is why i may just send it back. The poor pitch control is not accurate at all for what’s supposed to be a full 100mm pitch slider. It’s super disappointing. How do they expect a DJ to even mix with it when you have to fidget with the pitch control the entire time your playing songs. And the middle point is not in bold white font like the SR2 is. For a short pitch fader the SR2 is at least accurate when making small adjustments. I wish it were a full slider but i guess we have to have some limitations with a 2 ch deck which i think is just ridiculous. All DJ gear should have a full pitch slider.
DJ Tecniq 1:48 PM - 19 March, 2019
Really hoping a firmware update comes soon that will fix the pitch resolution. Has anyone tried the pro beta version? Maybe it’s a bug in the latest update?
DJ Stygma 2:06 PM - 19 March, 2019
Really getting sick and tired of companies releasing gear that is not ready and then trying to fix it with a firmware update. This thing was announced several years ago and consumers now have to wait for a firmware update to hopefully have it working right?

Pioneer releases the SX3 which needs a recall, same with the Rane 12's. The Rane 72 is getting firmware updates to get user basic things like saving FX preferences. Denon had multiple issues with the MC8000. I remember the Roland 808 having issues as well.

What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?
DJ Tecniq 2:30 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Really getting sick and tired of companies releasing gear that is not ready and then trying to fix it with a firmware update. This thing was announced several years ago and consumers now have to wait for a firmware update to hopefully have it working right?

Pioneer releases the SX3 which needs a recall, same with the Rane 12's. The Rane 72 is getting firmware updates to get user basic things like saving FX preferences. Denon had multiple issues with the MC8000. I remember the Roland 808 having issues as well.

What happened to being able to buy dependable gear where the end user wasn't the beta tester?
You hit the nail on head. We’re paying good money for DJ gear that is not ready. I’m at a point where I may just send it back cause i don’t know how long it will be before this is fixed.
DJ Tecniq 2:32 PM - 19 March, 2019
The master volume staying frozen is not necessarily an issue but still concerning. This deck was seriously years overdue and I feel like a hardware tester which should not be the case.
DJ Tecniq 2:35 PM - 19 March, 2019
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I will have confirm if this happens on both sides. I’ll let you know.
DJ Tecniq 2:36 PM - 19 March, 2019
Have to*
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:50 PM - 19 March, 2019
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One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.
DJ Tecniq 2:54 PM - 19 March, 2019
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One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.
This I agree with however I preordered the SR2 also and it was spot on flawless. I may of gotten lucky.
PL_Se 4:45 PM - 19 March, 2019
In an unofficial contact I was told they have addressed the pitch fader low resolution and are working on it. Maybe firmware update fixing the issue in April.
However, an official position from Mixars or Serato would be appreciated.
DJ Nin 4:58 PM - 19 March, 2019
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I noticed this too. I'm redlining with my master at about 12 o'clock / channels gains around 11
DJ Nin 5:01 PM - 19 March, 2019
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There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
DJ Tecniq 5:03 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️


There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
Lol i never use sync but thanks for the recommendation👍🏼
DJ Nin 5:03 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Some songs i had no issue getting the bpm perfectly matched other times i couldn’t get an exact identical bpm of the song playing on the virtual decks🤷🏼‍♂️


There seems to be a dead zone between 0-.5% on the pitch slider. If you use the sync button tempo will still match in that range.
Lol i never use sync but thanks for the recommendation👍🏼


I don't either but I'm just saying it works that way
DJ Tecniq 11:52 PM - 19 March, 2019
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Yes hope they fix this. Really aggravating cause I’m not pushing that much sound but it’s redlining on the controller. It’s an inaccurate reading.
DJ Tecniq 11:54 PM - 19 March, 2019
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However, an official position from Mixars or Serato would be appreciated.
Thank god but agreed Mixars should of addressed this it’s really horrible. Making tiny pitch movements doesn’t respond well with the virtual deck. Def not in sync for the two.
cosmicbaggy 12:24 PM - 20 March, 2019
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One solid reason I will never pre-order anything.

It's not even enough these days to go into a shop to test.


I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...
DJ Stygma 1:24 PM - 20 March, 2019
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I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...


If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with the 505 and what did they fix? That is on my maybe list too
dj_soo 2:49 PM - 20 March, 2019
505 has a widespread platter problem where you will lose all control over a deck requiring a controller restart. It was a manufacturing issue that requires a send-back to roland to fix.

Aside from that, it also has an issue with their vinyl preamps and DVS where high-output needles like Shure M44-7s would not track properly in DVS - not sure what happened with that issue.
DJ Tecniq 3:33 PM - 20 March, 2019
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505 has a widespread platter problem where you will lose all control over a deck requiring a controller restart. It was a manufacturing issue that requires a send-back to roland to fix.

Aside from that, it also has an issue with their vinyl preamps and DVS where high-output needles like Shure M44-7s would not track properly in DVS - not sure what happened with that issue.
I heard this same thing like the Phono preamps were fucked up.
DJ Tecniq 3:52 PM - 20 March, 2019
^ What’s Interesting about that I’ve never seen a video clip of the 505 in DVS mode using Shure needles it’s always Ortofons. But this may be a flaw with the first batches I would hope they have corrected it by now.
cosmicbaggy 4:27 PM - 20 March, 2019
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I made this mistake with the Roland DJ-505. Fortunately since it was sent back and had the required repair it's been working a-ok.

I was also interested in the Primo but i held back due to my experience with the 505. Happy i did...


If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with the 505 and what did they fix? That is on my maybe list too


Here's the thread on here: serato.com

Basically, the deck/platter had a hardware failure and needed sending back to Roland be repaired (They were very responsive/quick to fix tbf). Not sure if this issue was just with the first batch of units (I got mine on pre-order/release day) and has since been resolved or it's ongoing with later batches so i wouldnt buy a used unit that's for sure...
DJ Stygma 5:11 PM - 20 March, 2019
Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.
DJ Tecniq 5:30 PM - 20 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.
Have not tried the 505 but from what I’ve heard it sounds better than the SX2. For some reason Pioneer uses really cheap sound cards. My SR2 i think sounds better than the SX2. However I’ve been running my controller through another sound mixer and they specifically built it with high grade sound outputs and mic preamp. I run my full sound into this Yamaha board. What a huge difference. My shit sounds so clean now👌🏼 Thing is controllers seem to really lack good sound quality. When I run my sound through this I’m blown away. Def a solution if you still want your sx2 but with better sound quality. www.amazon.com
Mr. Goodkat 6:02 PM - 20 March, 2019
505 is really poorly built all the way around. i had one for a couple days and took it back. cool concept though and would probably be fine at home
jprime 6:11 PM - 20 March, 2019
How's the Primo for DVS? Anyone using the classic Shures with it?
DJ Tecniq 6:17 PM - 20 March, 2019
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How's the Primo for DVS? Anyone using the classic Shures with it?
No issue i think the Phono preamp on the Primo sounds better than mine SR2. The DVS sounds fantastic in the Primo almost identical to my Pioneer S9 if not same.
DJ Tecniq 6:18 PM - 20 March, 2019
My SR2*
jprime 6:52 PM - 20 March, 2019
I ordered from a site I thought was US based. Got an email receipt saying "We'll email you when it's in stock."

Like :/ come on. I have a show to play end of April I'd like to use it at.
dj_soo 12:48 AM - 21 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.


The sound card is incredible. Best sounding controller I’ve ever heard (I haven’t had experience with the 808 tho).
cosmicbaggy 6:16 AM - 21 March, 2019
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Thanks for all the info, how's the sound card in the 505? I have an SX2 and really don't like the sound card in it. Plus want something smaller.


The sound card is incredible. Best sounding controller I’ve ever heard (I haven’t had experience with the 808 tho).


Agree the sound is fantastic. I use in bars and clubs and it's right up there.
Johnnynights 8:30 PM - 21 March, 2019
Hey are you guys with the primo experiencing the pitch not so accurate?

Another one I gotta ask when the channel gains on the primo are not touched yet and I start playing music the leds dont light up until I move the channel knob..maybe a small bug..

I will try to make a video when it does it.
DJ Tecniq 8:46 PM - 21 March, 2019
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Hey are you guys with the primo experiencing the pitch not so accurate
Scroll up lol. Apparently it’s said this will get fixed in a firmware update. The pitch resolution is all fucked up.
Johnnynights 12:54 AM - 22 March, 2019
Barely saw that lol...good thing then if they are going to fix it..no wonder I was like is it me or this thing is no good lol.
dj_soo 5:33 AM - 22 March, 2019
I’m kind of glad that it’s going to take so long for the primo to make it to Canada. Gives them time to iron out the kinks.

Same thing happened with the 72 - by the time I got it, they were already at 1.2 firmware and 1.3 was in beta - those two updates really improved the mixer and addressed some early issues.
GC-Intl 10:50 AM - 22 March, 2019
anyone facing the same problem that the mixars website is down?

would love to the firmware update but no way to download it
GC-Intl 11:42 AM - 22 March, 2019
Ciao Mark.
Thanks for contating us.
We hope to have it back running very soon! It has been hijacked somehow so we keep it close for now until the technical team manages to solve the issue.
Sorry for the inconvenience !
In case you need any files feel free to let us know and we might send them here.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
boo-lee 12:04 PM - 22 March, 2019
The site is back online!

Dear Mixars team, any idea when the low resolution pitch slider issue will be fixed?
DJ Tecniq 5:12 PM - 22 March, 2019
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would love to the firmware update but no way to download it
There is no firmware update as of yet. We’re all partiently waiting.
DJ Stygma 12:34 PM - 26 March, 2019
The fact that the website is still down is the final straw for me, I don't even know if they exist as a company anymore and even if there was a firmware update, how would we know or be able to download it?

This sucks to, because of all the 2-channel mixers I have seen, this one seemed to have the best features, I didn't have to sacrifice a lot of control going from a SX2.
boo-lee 12:56 PM - 26 March, 2019
The website is not down ...
DJ Stygma 1:14 PM - 26 March, 2019
it was earlier this morning, I even checked again before I posted, but you are correct, it looks like it is up now.
DJ Tecniq 3:19 PM - 26 March, 2019
Here’s the reply i received this morning. It will be fixed but in a future update. I too am concerned about the pitch resolution it’s like pulling teeth trying to mix something. Was going to return mine but I’ll hold off really want the led ring😬

Ciao Steven.
Thanks for contating us and purchasing Primo.
The pitch resolution will be addressed with a firmware update and probably the next Serato patch such as other minor adjustments. Also the LED ring function will be finally implemented in the next Serato patch.
We remain at your disposal and wish you a great day!
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
DJ Stygma 3:25 PM - 26 March, 2019
so when they say next Serato patch, does that mean they are saying Serato has to patch in the ability to make the LED's work?
DJ Tecniq 3:28 PM - 26 March, 2019
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so when they say next Serato patch, does that mean they are saying Serato has to patch in the ability to make the LED's work?
Yes i was told it’s software related. However the led indicator works already but only when a track is near the end (20) seconds or so. It looks pretty cool just not a full feature yet.
DJ Stygma 3:35 PM - 26 March, 2019
So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?
boo-lee 3:51 PM - 26 March, 2019
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So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?


I actually like it very much (except for these issues). It's a compact but fully featured controller, looks good, sounds good.
DJ Tecniq 4:59 PM - 26 March, 2019
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So other than the issues that they are working on fixing, and assuming they are addressed, how do you like the controller? Would you recommend it?


I actually like it very much (except for these issues). It's a compact but fully featured controller, looks good, sounds good.
Same when those specific issues are fixed I’m sure I’ll love it. The sound quality w/DVS/Phono vinyl playback is really awesome. They def will prob address the master levels redlining too as that has been an issue for me.
DJ Tecniq 4:59 PM - 26 March, 2019
I will try to get a video of the issues and post it.
DJ Tecniq 6:34 AM - 27 March, 2019
Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 7:02 AM - 27 March, 2019
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Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
To mention I was just messing around. Some mixes were completely off and at times i forgot the vinyl was over. It’s been awhile since i got to throw down some real vinyl. However I used a separate sound card connected to the Primo for the live feed. I didn’t think about using the Mixars Primo soundcard so next time I’ll test that.
DJ Stygma 12:17 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Not sure if you guys can see/hear this as fb might of blocked it but here’s a fb set using the Primo www.facebook.com
To mention I was just messing around. Some mixes were completely off and at times i forgot the vinyl was over. It’s been awhile since i got to throw down some real vinyl. However I used a separate sound card connected to the Primo for the live feed. I didn’t think about using the Mixars Primo soundcard so next time I’ll test that.


Thanks for directing us to the video, and for all your help with my questions.
DJ Tecniq 6:29 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Thanks for directing us to the video, and for all your help with my questions.
No prob i try my best to be helpful in everything DJ related. I’m amazed by the sound quality on this controller. The Phono preamp is very robust and just sounds so clean. The XLR output really sounds great for a controller being so cheap they really built it with high quality preamps which is so important.
DJ Tecniq 7:17 PM - 27 March, 2019
Considering i didn’t have any issues with the Primo as a stand-alone mixer. The firmware will fix the software issues. The issues I’ve had are all just software related. My main concerns are listed below.

1. Pitch resolution is not accurate esp for a full 100mm pitch slider. (Software only)

2. Master LED’s on the controller redline/clip easily when gain ch volume is barely up (software related)

I’ll try to think of more things that need tweaked but so far I’ve tested the RCA, XLR Master & Booth outputs. All sound fantastic on my Rokit KRK studio monitors.
DJ Stygma 7:26 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Considering i didn’t have any issues with the Primo as a stand-alone mixer. The firmware will fix the software issues. The issues I’ve had are all just software related. My main concerns are listed below.

1. Pitch resolution is not accurate esp for a full 100mm pitch slider. (Software only)

2. Master LED’s on the controller redline/clip easily when gain ch volume is barely up (software related)

I’ll try to think of more things that need tweaked but so far I’ve tested the RCA, XLR Master & Booth outputs. All sound fantastic on my Rokit KRK studio monitors.


This is great news, since I have a SX@ that works perfectly and a WeGo3 as a back-up, I can afford to wait until the fixes are made to get the Primo, so please keep us informed. I am interested in them fixing the issues and the Jog Wheel indicator working and then I will scoop it up quick. Hopefully by then they also have a decksaver for it.
DJ Tecniq 9:49 PM - 27 March, 2019
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Hopefully by then they also have a decksaver for it.
Bro I’m in that same boat. Need a decksaver and oddyssey case w/laptop shelf for it. So far there’s been nothing yet. Really need to protect this bad boy.
DJ Alibi 1:31 AM - 28 March, 2019
i think the pitch thing may be a Hardware issue? because that was the only problem that i kind of noticed, at all, using the Primo with the "alternative software" (temporary using until serato gets kinks worked out) i didn't really recognize it that much til i read it here lol, but it wasn't that much of a problem in either software, but i am not that picky i guess, i just pitch bended my way into success lol, i did find myself changing the percentage a little though, but hey, I am glad there is some sort of confirmation of an update coming...
DJ Alibi 1:33 AM - 28 March, 2019
by the way i think its still in stock at Zzounds? (i saw a post about somebody wanting to buy one still)
dj_soo 1:58 AM - 28 March, 2019
seems to be sold out everywhere at this point. Next shipment, I've seen anywhere from a couple weeks til may according to the store.

Glad the controller is doing well - more incentive to fix the problems.
DJ Tecniq 4:27 AM - 28 March, 2019
In stock at AMS
www.americanmusical.com
DJ Alibi 1:59 AM - 29 March, 2019
www.zzounds.com
DJ Jakey Chan 1:03 PM - 31 March, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be


Did you work out what this was or has anyone else had this issue ? I've had this happen to me intermittently using the same set ups sometimes it does it sometimes not, I see you mention a grounding issue maybe but like I say mine seems to be doing it randomly sometimes to the extend where the whole jog acts as the side touch and only lets me nudge ( vinyl mode is def enabled ) mine also seems to only be happening on the left side jog wheel
DJ Tecniq 4:11 PM - 31 March, 2019
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Not using PiT check it out.

youtu.be


Did you work out what this was or has anyone else had this issue ? I've had this happen to me intermittently using the same set ups sometimes it does it sometimes not, I see you mention a grounding issue maybe but like I say mine seems to be doing it randomly sometimes to the extend where the whole jog acts as the side touch and only lets me nudge ( vinyl mode is def enabled ) mine also seems to only be happening on the left side jog wheel
Which power source are you connected at? Check the power source could be a bad ground.
PL_Se 6:12 PM - 31 March, 2019
I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.
DJ Tecniq 6:50 PM - 31 March, 2019
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I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.
Maybe this is a bug and will be fixed in firmware.
DJ Jakey Chan 12:19 AM - 1 April, 2019
Had it connected by the power plug in different sockets in different places and also tried in usb mode and it has done it in all so im guessing its not a grounding issue, any idea when firmware update is coming out ?
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I had the same issue twice with the right jogwheel - not the left one.
There were no power issue no grounding issue no other midi hardware connected.
When it happens the whole top of the jogwheel temporarily loses its scratch function for a while, then it starts working fine again.


Have you sent you unit back or are you keeping it till firmware update ?
PL_Se 10:27 AM - 1 April, 2019
It's one of the issues I reported to Mixars.
Waiting for the update.
No official release date as of yet.
Martin 83 10:43 AM - 1 April, 2019
Hello Guys, I have been struggeling with Primo since it arrived a week ago. To put it simply it does not work or I have not been able to set it up correctly. I did this:

1.Download drivers for Windows from mixars.com, but the drivers are unavailible, I thought that is wierd.

2.Download Serato Dj Pro, I did and Serato has a driver for primo,I thought happy days.
But after installing the drivers and activaciting Serato. The Primo buttons do not work,it activates serato, I can see it in Windows as a sound card,Serato says the Primo is connected,but the controller stays dimly lit and buttons do not work.

Any Ideas please?BTW I have been in touch with Serato support,Mixars have not responded to my two previous email. So I've called them today and some Dona gave me number to one guy who said he was busy and on the way to airport and suggested I should send him an email. Well done Serato,not very happy Mixars
PL_Se 12:21 PM - 1 April, 2019
It sounds more like a wrong setup.
Preliminary test: After you have launched SDJ and turned the Primo on, is the mixars logo in the center of the jogwheel brightly lit?
Martin 83 1:00 PM - 1 April, 2019
Hi, no it is not. After I turn Primo on in SDJ it flashes from bottom to the top and then stays lit dimly when pluged thorough USB, when I use external power supply and USB after it flashes only shift button stays lit dimly.
Martin 83 2:45 PM - 1 April, 2019
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It sounds more like a wrong setup.
Preliminary test: After you have launched SDJ and turned the Primo on, is the mixars logo in the center of the jogwheel brightly lit?

No it is not
PL_Se 3:03 PM - 1 April, 2019
Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.
Martin 83 3:06 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.
PL_Se 3:20 PM - 1 April, 2019
try and let me know.

Edit: the 'ctrl' midi indicator in traktor is above the left deck
Martin 83 3:36 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.


I have done all above no change.When I mapped the play button in SDJ there was no response at all. I have tried Traktor 2 as you suggested and the midi indicator does not light up, although I can see Mixars audio Card in Traktor preference.

And yes for one week I have been updating my computer drivers reinstalling USB drivers and I have been through Serato troubleshooting. I have even tried to install Primo on two different computer, one of them was Mac. And still nothing, I really want this controller, but I am wondering whether my unit is not faulty.
Martin 83 5:31 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Ok. Then you should try to load and play a track in a virtual SDJ deck with the mouse/PC keyboard. When you load a track the LED ring in the Primo turns blue and when you play it the channel meter next to the Eq controls signals the output. If this doesn't happen in your case, it's confirmed that the hardware and the software are not communicating each other.

Go into SDJ setup > MIDI > and check that in the MIDI devices box you can see the Primo. Select the primo and click on restore defaults. Then enable 'allow serato hardware remapping', close the SDJ setup and try a simple remapping. Click the MIDI button next to the virtual master knob then click on the play virtual button of one deck and then hit a play button of the hardware. See if the play button in the hardware now works.
Basically we have to check if there's a setup issue or your hardware is not able to send/receive midi signals at all. If you are confident with remapping you can also try with another dj software. In traktor you only have to hit a button of the hardware and a midi indicator ('ctrl' . above the right deck) flashes if there is midi input.

Always assuming that you are using the latest SDJ version and the audio driver is the right one.

Thank you I will try that.


I have done all above no change.When I mapped the play button in SDJ there was no response at all. I have tried Traktor 2 as you suggested and the midi indicator does not light up, although I can see Mixars audio Card in Traktor preference.

And yes for one week I have been updating my computer drivers reinstalling USB drivers and I have been through Serato troubleshooting. I have even tried to install Primo on two different computer, one of them was Mac. And still nothing, I really want this controller, but I am wondering whether my unit is not faulty.


Something has happened after installing couple of updates. Now the controller is brightly lit and leds are indicating signál next to corrections when I Virtual play a track in SDJ, also when I load the track up and I can see leds on the jógs going around.
Primo is now differently lit then previously. Before connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are Green, when connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are blue. It looks like we are Getting somewhere, but the buttons, nobs, nothing works so far.
DJ Tecniq 6:05 PM - 1 April, 2019
Odd. Did you try a diffferent USB port on the computer?
Martin 83 6:17 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Odd. Did you try a diffferent USB port on the computer?


I did,all three of them. One of the USB ports is USB 3.0 but made no difference.
DJ Tecniq 6:23 PM - 1 April, 2019
Maybe it is defective However when i tried my Primo i was using an outdated version of SDJ so had to update for support. I would try a previous version of SDJ Pro like the version that first added support for the controller.
evergreenMelody 6:33 PM - 1 April, 2019
Appreciate all the info in this thread, been following along for a couple weeks now and close to pulling the trigger on the Primo.

The issues with the pitch resolution are worrying though, one of the main reasons I'm considering this over the SR2 are the pitch faders being much longer, I only ever use Sync when using in conjunction with Live (Link) so accurate pitch is a must 90% of the time.

The possibility of the LED track indicator on the jog wheels in a firmware update makes this almost the perfect controller for what I'm looking for.

I really hope Mixars can get those issues resolved the SR2 has too many limitations for me and the SX3 is too big.

Would be interested to hear opinions on the filter/fx, and how they compare to the on-board Pioneer fx.
boo-lee 7:12 PM - 1 April, 2019
I prefer the Pioneer filter effect.
DJ Tecniq 8:33 PM - 1 April, 2019
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I prefer the Pioneer filter effect.
Same have not figured out how to change the beat parameter for fx.
PL_Se 8:37 PM - 1 April, 2019
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Something has happened after installing couple of updates. Now the controller is brightly lit and leds are indicating signál next to corrections when I Virtual play a track in SDJ, also when I load the track up and I can see leds on the jógs going around.
Primo is now differently lit then previously. Before connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are Green, when connected to SDJ the leds on the jógs are blue. It looks like we are Getting somewhere, but the buttons, nobs, nothing works so far.


What kind of updates?
Are you sure you don't have PC issues?
Can you test another SDJ supported controller with your PC?
DJ Tecniq 2:24 AM - 3 April, 2019
Decided to try my own rendition of this mix after i saw a dude go viral mixing country over hip hop lol. Have not had any platter issues yet. This mix was recorded using Screenflow for Mac & the Mixars Primo soundcard. Lol enjoy
www.dropbox.com
DJ Tecniq 2:25 AM - 3 April, 2019
Here’s the original post on fb
www.facebook.com
DJ JulioYEG 2:27 AM - 3 April, 2019
djing? buddy is using vdj home. i like his hd drive tho lol
DJ Tecniq 2:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
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djing? buddy is using vdj home. i like his hd drive tho lol
Apparently it’s an edit he produced not sure if he’s doing it live or not and he could be using Serato play🤔...maybe

Credit: Fat Tony www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 2:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
soundcloud.com
DJ JulioYEG 4:47 AM - 3 April, 2019
im tryna see u cut up with that primo fader and ur tt abit lol
DJ Tecniq 5:05 AM - 3 April, 2019
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im tryna see u cut up with that primo fader and ur tt abit lol
Sorry man did this when my son was napping so didn’t even mess with the t-tables. For some reason at first i had issues w/DVS. I had to go to the scope view and change the threshold to the left just to get a signal or even audio for that matter. Guessing it’s another bug w/SDJ😕. I calibrated and nothing happened at first🤷🏼‍♂️ Also i had to zoom in on the scope view just to see my control vinyl signal. I don’t think it’s the controller but more a software issue. Def felt like beta testing😬
Ollieboy 6:44 AM - 3 April, 2019
Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:47 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
Seen this video already however this scrubbing issue is not a problem with my Primo so I’m confused why Serato confirmed this???
DJ Tecniq 6:55 AM - 3 April, 2019
Also when i hit the fx and then drop the fader on the primo they don’t act as post fader after the fx been applied...really hope this firmware comes soon. I recall hearing the primo is post fader but not positive🤷🏼‍♂️
Ollieboy 6:58 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Reply from Serato Help desk regarding the scrubbing issue. Got this a couple weeks ago but got lost in my mailbox.

"Hey there.

Sorry for the late reply, I have more information for you in regard to your issues. First of all:

The platter issue you described has been identified by our developers, who are working to fix it. We have no timeframe for the fix, but we've logged you in the investigation and we'll be in contact when we release a fix."

Here's the scrubbing issue i'm talking about.
youtu.be
Seen this video already however this scrubbing issue is not a problem with my Primo so I’m confused why Serato confirmed this???

Apparently they were able to recreate the problem. The issue is still there. Try baby scratching the first beat of a song and you'll notice it. Even if it's just a little. Put some pressure in the platter.
DJ Tecniq 7:05 AM - 3 April, 2019
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Apparently they were able to recreate the problem. The issue is still there. Try baby scratching the first beat of a song and you'll notice it. Even if it's just a little. Put some pressure in the platter.
Very odd can you confirm if you were using pitch n’ Time? And which OS you are using? I have tried all kinds of scratching but was not necessarily on the very edge of the platter my hands stay in the middle outerside of the jogwheel.
DJ Tecniq 11:09 PM - 4 April, 2019
Can anyone get post fader fx to work on their Primo? I echo out then drop the fader but the sound does not cut off. Is primo not post fader? Just curious
Serato, Support
Mike.C 11:22 PM - 4 April, 2019
Works for me! Are you using the SDJ Echo out, or the hardware echo effect?

Either way, both have post-fader FX behaviour if I increase the depth then pull the fader down.

Actually, after reading that again, it sounds like you are wanting pre-fader FX if you expect the sound to cut off when you pull the fader down.

Post-fader FX will have an effect tail if you pull the fader down for any time-based effect types.
DJ Tecniq 11:44 PM - 4 April, 2019
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Works for me! Are you using the SDJ Echo out, or the hardware echo effect?

Either way, both have post-fader FX behaviour if I increase the depth then pull the fader down.

Actually, after reading that again, it sounds like you are wanting pre-fader FX if you expect the sound to cut off when you pull the fader down.

Post-fader FX will have an effect tail if you pull the fader down for any time-based effect types.
just using the fx button at the top. I used “clean echo out” then dropped the fader. It fades the audio but does not cut the audio off after the faders been dropped. Like there’s a delay. My SR2 works completely opposite and when i drop the fader the audio is finally off some reason the Primo doesn’t act the same way when fx are applied...Hrmmm
Magico 7:37 PM - 5 April, 2019
Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
DJ Tecniq 8:13 PM - 5 April, 2019
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Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
There is no update as of yet. What’s interesting is the link for the primo manual isn’t available. Their website needs to be redone it’s terrible.
DJ Tecniq 8:13 PM - 5 April, 2019
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Hey hey!
If anyone still has the update for the Primo I would appreciate it if you could post the update here.The Mixars site does not have a working link for it. I've already contacted Mixars and I'm waiting for their response.




Thanks.
There is no update as of yet. What’s interesting is the link for the primo manual isn’t available. Their website needs to be redone it’s terrible.
Magico 9:21 PM - 5 April, 2019
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 1:23 AM - 6 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?
Ollieboy 1:53 AM - 6 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?

He's the tech support at Mixars.
DJ Alibi 1:59 AM - 6 April, 2019
In the video , the update says "DUO" but it "works with Quattro and Primo" wow lol
DJ Alibi 2:03 AM - 6 April, 2019
ok so it looks like the "updater" is the program that is for ALL, but not the actual PRIMO "update" itself , 1.09 is the initial version...
DJ Tecniq 5:50 AM - 6 April, 2019
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In the video , the update says "DUO" but it "works with Quattro and Primo" wow lol
agreed and he never showed the led indicator
mabbs 7:35 AM - 6 April, 2019
I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am.

My left jog wheel was also a bit temperamental initially, almost felt like it was grinding when i applied any pressure. Seemed to resolve itself after about 30 mins of play. I used the Primo at s gig last night and it sounded great, just found the pitch issue annoying and I don’t trust the jog wheel now 😂
DJ Tecniq 4:14 PM - 6 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.
mabbs 6:07 PM - 6 April, 2019
It does seem crazy that something like this isn’t picked up during testing. As long as it’s fixed fairly quickly, I’ll be happy.
DJ Tecniq 6:09 PM - 6 April, 2019
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It does seem crazy that something like this isn’t picked up during testing. As long as it’s fixed fairly quickly, I’ll be happy.
Same
HellNegative1 6:36 PM - 6 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.



Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 7 April, 2019
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Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.
Don’t use Traktor not really interesting in trying it. I’m also avoiding the firmware update on the Primo cause it’s not specifically for the controller itself as of yet not sure it would help anything as I’ve not had platter issues occur.
Martin 83 7:06 PM - 7 April, 2019
I am sending my Primo back tomorrow. I have not been able to set it up for two weeks. Mixars Tech support is rather terrible.

1.installed SDJ
2.drivers for Primo from SDJ
Mixars website is useless
3.Activated SDJ
Primo activated.

If I manually load track in SDJ the led on jog deals respond.
If I play track ib SDJ, volume meter starts
working.But there is no sound

But no buttons, knobs or faders work.
I asked Mixars for firmware 1.09 and drivers, I was told that it is uptodate and driver comes with SDJ. Well this Primo does not work and I will send it back tomorrow.
DJ Tecniq 7:10 PM - 7 April, 2019
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I am sending my Primo back tomorrow. I have not been able to set it up for two weeks. Mixars Tech support is rather terrible.

1.installed SDJ
2.drivers for Primo from SDJ
Mixars website is useless
3.Activated SDJ
Primo activated.

If I manually load track in SDJ the led on jog deals respond.
If I play track ib SDJ, volume meter starts
working.But there is no sound

But no buttons, knobs or faders work.
I asked Mixars for firmware 1.09 and drivers, I was told that it is uptodate and driver comes with SDJ. Well this Primo does not work and I will send it back tomorrow.
First. Have you made sure the Serato decks are in “INT” mode nothing will work functional unless you are in internal mode which is the main play mode for controllers which you should know.
DJ Tecniq 7:11 PM - 7 April, 2019
And what are the specs on your laptop this matters greatly for SDJ software.
Martin 83 8:40 PM - 7 April, 2019
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And what are the specs on your laptop this matters greatly for SDJ software.


I tried on two different PCs one of them was Mac, I also tried older SDJ.
PL_Se 9:17 PM - 7 April, 2019
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I have similar issues to those mentioned. Pitch slider is the main one. Let’s say for example the left track is 130, the right deck won’t hit 130 for love nor money. 130.1 etc but just skips over the exact bpm no matter how delicate I am
We’re all in the same boat. Mixars will be fixing it in a firmware update. But yeah the pitch resolution is horrible. A lot of times it skips certain pitch speeds or won’t let you adjust accurately. Very disappointing for 100mm full pitch fader. I don’t like how we are basically beta testers for hardware/software it’s realky upsetting when you’re spending good money for a controller but can’t even mix without fidgeting.



Does this also occur when you create a custom mapping for Traktor? Just curious if it is indeed a firmware issue or on the software side.


The pitch slider resolution is pretty much the same with traktor and rekordbox.
The pitch slider is currently working in a standard 7-bit midi mode (only one Control Change number in the midi message) so you have no more than 128 steps to adjust the tempo from min. to max. That's why manual beatmaching can't be accurate. This is even more evident if you select two decimal places in SDJ setup.
14-bit midi messages are needed to get high resolution. The target should be a resolution of 0.01 bpm.
cosmicbaggy 7:32 AM - 8 April, 2019
Sounds like the controller version of an Italian supercar.

Great to look at but always in the garage... 😔
DJ Illnaughty 4:21 PM - 8 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?


Because he does Tech support for Mixars in the US. I work with him. We both work for Mixware (the US distributor)
DJ Tecniq 4:44 PM - 8 April, 2019
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Wtf...how does the guy know this and why wasn’t it mentioned there’s a firmware update from Mixars. As for jogwheel calibration why would you need to do this shouldn’t it already be calibrated out the box from when it was in factory?


Because he does Tech support for Mixars in the US. I work with him. We both work for Mixware (the US distributor)
Oh cool now that we all know this what does it exactly do does this fix the jog will indicator light for playhead. The video doesn’t exactly describe anything.
DJ Stygma 3:18 PM - 9 April, 2019
DJ Worx just posted on their Instagram that they have a unit, so they should be reviewing it. I mentioned he problem everyone was having with the pitch fader in the comments.
DJ Tecniq 4:12 PM - 9 April, 2019
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DJ Worx just posted on their Instagram that they have a unit, so they should be reviewing it. I mentioned he problem everyone was having with the pitch fader in the comments.
Dope maybe the buzz will get Mixars to get their shit together. Sorry not sorry🤷🏼‍♂️ Should of been ready to go out the box👌🏼
DJ Tecniq 8:22 PM - 9 April, 2019
Cane up with this while my son was napping. Few cuts on the Primo.
www.facebook.com
DJ Tecniq 8:22 PM - 9 April, 2019
Came*
dj_soo 9:14 PM - 9 April, 2019
nice demo of how the LED ring could work.

So that's standard in the unit - but only when the track is running out?

Odd that they didn't think to just put that in there.
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 9 April, 2019
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nice demo of how the LED ring could work.

So that's standard in the unit - but only when the track is running out?

Odd that they didn't think to just put that in there.
Precisely it was an Aca Out edit which is why you saw the LED ring playhead 20 secs into the end it kicks in.
DJ Illnaughty 10:03 PM - 9 April, 2019
What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
DJ Tecniq 3:49 AM - 10 April, 2019
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What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
Thank god! Hope we get the update soon i really love the controller. My other question is there a way to change the echo parameter i noticed the built in fx could have more accuracy if we could change it for 1/2 parameter i think it’s on 1 length by default.
DJ Tecniq 3:53 AM - 10 April, 2019
My other concern...can’t access the primo manual can you hire a monkey to fix the website🤔 mixars.com
DJ Illnaughty 5:36 PM - 10 April, 2019
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What Mixars has told us here at Mixware is that the LED indicator will be a feature fully implemented after the next Serato update. Also the pitch adjustment is something that the next firmware update will address. Both company's are working on each issue now respectively.
Thank god! Hope we get the update soon i really love the controller. My other question is there a way to change the echo parameter i noticed the built in fx could have more accuracy if we could change it for 1/2 parameter i think it’s on 1 length by default.



Let me look into this today, I noticed the same thing
mabbs 10:18 PM - 10 April, 2019
I sent mine back for a refund today. I’ve had no response from Mixars after the best part of a week and Serato’s feedback was that they know nothing of the pitch issue and to contact Mixars directly. I guess that’s fair enough but just a reassuring ‘yes we’re aware and Mixars are working on a fix’ or similar might have made a difference.

Could well pick it up again if and when the bugs are ironed out. Back to the MC4000 I go 🤷‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 11:18 AM - 11 April, 2019
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I sent mine back for a refund today. I’ve had no response from Mixars after the best part of a week and Serato’s feedback was that they know nothing of the pitch issue and to contact Mixars directly. I guess that’s fair enough but just a reassuring ‘yes we’re aware and Mixars are working on a fix’ or similar might have made a difference.

Could well pick it up again if and when the bugs are ironed out. Back to the MC4000 I go 🤷‍♂️
Damn that sucks. Like many in this thread Mixars have mentioned they are working on a fix I even quoted their reply in here about that. It’s been told the pitch issue has to be a firmware fix which has nothing to do with software that’s hardware in general. For those wanted to hear the true sound quality of the Mixars here’s the soundcard audio. This short demo mix was recorded using Screenflow software and I used the Mixars Primo soundcard as the audio source for Screenflow for the video. While the pitch issue is a huge concern im gonna keep mine and wait for the update I have a DDJSR2 also for backup. Once the pitch issue is corrected and the jogwheel indicator this will be a bad ass controller.
www.dropbox.com
DJ Stygma 10:30 PM - 15 April, 2019
DDJ-800 for Rekordbox is being teased by Digital DJ Tips, 2channel mixer with same jog display as the DDJ-1000
DJ Stygma 11:54 PM - 15 April, 2019
youtu.be I wish they would release a 2 channel mixer like this for Serato
DJ Tecniq 3:00 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.
DJ JulioYEG 3:55 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.

more features than the 1000 it sounds like
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:33 AM - 16 April, 2019
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Same...Rekordbox meh too bad looks dope.


Great looking unit!

Pioneer + Rekordbox are sticking to their long game.

Best 2 controllers out there...visually.

Rekordbox DJ is not too bad either. I have the DDJ400.

My initial qualms with rkbx was the lack of mixed media playlist. I found a workaround on YouTube for that.

Rkbx 4.0 (last version before they introduced video) could actually combine mp4 and audio in a single list. I create the playlist in 4.0 and when I'm using the latest 5.3 the mixed playlist is available to use. Not ideal but it's a workaround.
DJ Tecniq 7:37 AM - 16 April, 2019
I have a feeling a Version of the DDJ 800 will be available for Serato soon. They all know Serato djs want it and it’s just more money in their pocket. Serato is the leading software it’s not a debate.
DJ Tecniq 7:39 AM - 16 April, 2019
However I have to give them props on releasing a 2 ch version of the 1000. I have not read or found out if it’s dvs compatible. Would be dope but the 1000 doesn’t even have DVS. Really not worth it imo.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:51 AM - 16 April, 2019
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However I have to give them props on releasing a 2 ch version of the 1000. I have not read or found out if it’s dvs compatible. Would be dope but the 1000 doesn’t even have DVS. Really not worth it imo.


youtu.be

The 800 promo vid has TTs plugged in as well

Anyways. Back to Primo discussion.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:54 AM - 16 April, 2019
www.pioneerdj.com

800 has DVS in it per spec sheet.
WildcardX 12:59 PM - 16 April, 2019
The DDJ-1000 also has DVS capability.

"The DDJ-1000 comes with a Rekordbox DJ licence, and it’s compatible with Rekordbox DVS, meaning you can connect your turntables or media players to spin with timecode vinyl / media. "

www.digitaldjtips.com
DJ Stygma 1:03 PM - 16 April, 2019
Sorry, wasn’t trying to completely sidetrack this thread, I just know how many people want a 2 channel mixer with platter rotation display including myself. Hopefully the Pro gets it’s stuff together and can be that controller. I doubt Pioneer will ever sell the 400/800/1000 for Serato since they are using the hardware to push their software.
DJ Tecniq 5:40 PM - 16 April, 2019
All good thanks for the clarification on the 800/1000. If I don’t see a version of this for Serato soon i may just leave Serato for good. I have a love/hate relationship with Pioneer. I’m crossing my fingers for a 800/1000 DDJ Serato controller.
DJ Stygma 6:04 PM - 16 April, 2019
Pro was meant to say Primo, hopefully the Primo gets it's stuff together to be that controller


The other thing that intrigues me about RB is the lighting control and supposedly the newest update that came out today made it work even better with the Gigbar 2, which is what I use for a lot of my events. I love all the competition right now.
dj_soo 9:34 PM - 16 April, 2019
800 is still capacitive touch platter rather than the mechanical pressure platters on the 1000.

No magvel fader either it seems. Kind of a meh for me. I'll stick with the $550 mixars if they manage to fix the underlying issues satisfactory enough.
DJ Stygma 9:51 PM - 16 April, 2019
Both good points, I am hoping Mixars fixes their issues
WildcardX 10:45 PM - 16 April, 2019
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800 is still capacitive touch platter rather than the mechanical pressure platters on the 1000.

No magvel fader either it seems. Kind of a meh for me. I'll stick with the $550 mixars if they manage to fix the underlying issues satisfactory enough.

Yeah the capacitive jog wheels was disappointing to see.
Dj Ace 2:25 AM - 17 April, 2019
I agree
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:42 AM - 17 April, 2019
Other than the SZ and 1000 ,which other units have mechanical jog ?

they managed to squeeze in a tension adjustment.

If they release it for Serato...its a no brainer purchase.

Slowly some differences are beginning to emerge eg the mixer like effect control vs seratos 3 x 3
dj_soo 6:43 AM - 17 April, 2019
SZ doesn't have mechanical jogs - still capacitive. The tension adjust definitely makes a difference, but the pressure sensitive jogs just feel so much better and prevent errors if you accidentally brush against the platters on touch ones.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:49 AM - 17 April, 2019
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SZ doesn't have mechanical jogs - still capacitive. The tension adjust definitely makes a difference, but the pressure sensitive jogs just feel so much better and prevent errors if you accidentally brush against the platters on touch ones.


So only the 1000 has mechanical jogs

Pioneer giveth and taketh.

I also understand that the FX is software dependent ie it wont work standalone.
Djkom 11:46 AM - 17 April, 2019
Ok so the DDJ 800
- Doesn't have a mechanical jogwheel
- Doesn't have a Magvel crossfaver
- Can work standalone when usb linked to Rekordbox
- Has only software FX
- Has only one usb port
- Has smaller jogwheels
- Has only 2 ch mixer

All that for 899$ !!!! Just 200$ under the DDJ 1000, Pioneer makes Pioneer prices again !
DJ Stygma 11:59 AM - 17 April, 2019
Yeah, doesn’t make a lot of sense, I know a lot of people thought the 1000 was competitively priced to get people hooked on RB, but with the release of the 800, it now makes their pricing structure look terrible.
boo-lee 12:06 PM - 17 April, 2019
Isn't this a bit off-topic guys? ;) This thread is about the Mixars Primo, not about a Pioneer controller that doesn't even work with Serato.
Djkom 1:35 PM - 17 April, 2019
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Isn't this a bit off-topic guys? ;) This thread is about the Mixars Primo, not about a Pioneer controller that doesn't even work with Serato.


Right but comparison with same product range does also make sense.
This makes me like even more the Primo !
boo-lee 2:00 PM - 17 April, 2019
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Right but comparison with same product range does also make sense.
This makes me like even more the Primo !


True, once the pitch resolution issue is solved (and maybe if Serato implements a position indicator on the jogs), the Primo will be the ultimate 2 channel Serato controller.
cosmicbaggy 6:16 PM - 17 April, 2019
Readily await the updates and further feedback before trading in the DJ-505. Keep up the comms guys...
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 29 April, 2019
Is Mixware affiliated with Mixars? Or is MWM Phase somehow affiliated also? It’s odd both the Mixars Primo & Phase have similar issues regarding pitch. So far nothing about an update on the Primo pitch problem. I’m about to sell mine was hoping this would get fixed ASAP.
DJ Illnaughty 11:12 PM - 29 April, 2019
Mixware is the distributor of both Mixars and MWM. In no way, shape or form is Mixware involved in the manufacturing process. I thought the same thing, however; it is literally just a coincidence.

I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
JDfunky 11:55 PM - 29 April, 2019
Mixars have told me that there is no distributor in Australia where I live, so I think I am going to give up on the Primo to replace my Vestax (the right platter is doing some weird stuff, including making the right playing track speed up infinitely while playing) and go for the Denon MC4000 (I don't need DVS)
DJ Tecniq 6:33 AM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased
dj_soo 6:35 AM - 30 April, 2019
I wish denon would make a 4000 MK3 with a proper pad control scheme and DVS
DJ JulioYEG 6:45 AM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased

hahahahahahahhahahahah.
DJ Illnaughty 4:30 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased


Hahahahaha, I wish what I said would matter, unfortunately they are enduring a shit storm right now and doing their best.
DJ Illnaughty 4:38 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I work for Mixware, that's how I know.
Cool could you tell the developers to speed up the status on the firmware this thing is useless when it comes to mixing I’m having to fiddle around with the pitch control most the entire song.

- Sincerely every Primo owner that has purchased


Hahahahaha, I wish what I said would matter, unfortunately they are enduring a shit storm right now and doing their best.



I just shot an email to Mixars to get a firm ETA on the firmware and updated information for Serato's scheduled update.
DJ Tecniq 8:52 PM - 30 April, 2019
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I just shot an email to Mixars to get a firm ETA on the firmware and updated information for Serato's scheduled update.
Cool maybe you can help me. Is the 1.09 firmware for the Primo on their website updated? What I'm asking is is my Primo device already on 1.09 firmware out the box?
PL_Se 10:00 PM - 30 April, 2019
The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.
DJ Tecniq 12:16 AM - 1 May, 2019
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The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.
Gotcha so the even reinstalling the firmware won’t fix the pitch issue. Thanks for clearing that up.
DJ Illnaughty 5:01 PM - 1 May, 2019
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The firmware version currently available in the mixars site is the same that was installed at the factory (v 1.09). You can check it with the firmware updater ('updater for duo quattro and primo' in the mixars site - when you download the updater you'll find the instructions attached). When you have loaded the firmware file in the updater, before starting the update you can see the current firmware version in your unit.


You are correct, there has been no firmware update that addresses the pitch or the master volume behavior.

Mixars response to my email yesterday is as follows:

"Yes, the led ring will be implemented In next Serato patch. I’m not sure if they already know when it will release. We are also working on the firmware to address pitch resolution and master vol. knob behaviour together with Serato."
boo-lee 5:31 PM - 1 May, 2019
I’m wondering if dj gear reviewers (digital dj tips, crossfader, mojax...) are waiting to review the Mixars Primo until the oitch issue has been fixed. It’s strange that the controller has been on the market for two months but that the first online review is yet to appear.
DJ Tecniq 6:18 PM - 1 May, 2019
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I’m wondering if dj gear reviewers (digital dj tips, crossfader, mojax...) are waiting to review the Mixars Primo until the oitch issue has been fixed. It’s strange that the controller has been on the market for two months but that the first online review is yet to appear.
Same. DJ Booth.net has an unboxing but no official review yet.
DJ Illnaughty 6:41 PM - 1 May, 2019
FYI.... I know this is a little out of place here but it's still relevent to Mixars products.

You can now upgrade the crossfader on the Quattro to the the Galileo. Also if you buy the Quattro now you get the upgrade fader for free.

This is from Mixwares site:

"The Mixars Quattro is already the best value of any Serato club mixer on the market today. Coming in a $999.99 retail, Quattro is DVS enabled and features dual USB audio interfaces, 16 multicolor performance pads, sampler controls, filters on each channel, built-in effects, and loads more.

But now we want to give you the opportunity to supercharge your mixer with a crossfader upgrade at no cost!"
HellNegative1 3:15 AM - 2 May, 2019
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FYI.... I know this is a little out of place here but it's still relevent to Mixars products.

You can now upgrade the crossfader on the Quattro to the the Galileo. Also if you buy the Quattro now you get the upgrade fader for free.

This is from Mixwares site:

"The Mixars Quattro is already the best value of any Serato club mixer on the market today. Coming in a $999.99 retail, Quattro is DVS enabled and features dual USB audio interfaces, 16 multicolor performance pads, sampler controls, filters on each channel, built-in effects, and loads more.

But now we want to give you the opportunity to supercharge your mixer with a crossfader upgrade at no cost!"



Damn. That's the reason I returned the Quattro we had. :-p I didn't want to void the warranty by putting an inno inside.
DJ Tecniq 7:33 AM - 2 May, 2019
I have to give props to Mixars they have very affordable DJ hardware that’s been rock solid compared to other high end gear and use high quality parts esp their preamps. If they could just fix the issues with the Primo I’d be much happier and use it more. For now i love playing my reg vinyl with it and I hope this isn’t their only controller I’m sure we’ll see more in the future.
HK1200 3:58 PM - 4 May, 2019
These companies need to stop releasing products before the bugs are resolved. It's a straight up "fuck you" to their customers.
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:28 PM - 4 May, 2019
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These companies need to stop releasing products before the bugs are resolved. It's a straight up "fuck you" to their customers.


It seems to be the order of the day now.

They are selling promises.

"we will fix or implement it with a firmware update"

Rane, Denon DJ, Mixars

I understand fixing bugs with updates but not basic functionality.

Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.
DJ Tecniq 5:03 PM - 4 May, 2019
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Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.
This is so true. We are spending our hard earned money to test equipment. It should just work out the box. This is why I don’t care for Serato’s new “production” software it’s only going to delay SDJ updates which they should focus on first I’m sure they don’t have a big number of developers these days.
dj_soo 6:01 PM - 4 May, 2019
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Pioneer DJ isn't everyone's favourite manufacturer but I'd say 9 out of 10, what you see is what you get and functionality is as designed straight up.


Pioneer does this too.

The SR constantly lost controls for the first couple months requiring a firmware fix.

The S9 sold manny bum units and had a crossfader prone to breaking at the stem.

The 2000nxs2s randomly reset requiring firmware fixes.

The sx3 required a full recall and even the “fixed” units are still experiencing problems.

At this point, it doesn’t matter what company you purchase from - they all do this. If you are an early adopter, you are another phase of beta tester.

The pitch resolution on the primo is a major head scratcher, but at least it can (hopefully) be fixed unlike the dumb decisions to not provide separate pad modes for left and right on the s9 or the pre-fade only effects on the sz.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:21 PM - 4 May, 2019
I haven't had any bad experience with pioneer yet

I've owned the following and they do what it says on the tin

DJM 700 (sold)
CDJ900 (sold)
SX (sold to a friend who is still using it with no issues)
Wego3 (sold to a friend, no issues years later)
DDJ400
S9 (design limitation)
SP1
XP1

They all worked/working as expected.

In terms of Pioneers design limitations, yes that leaves a lot to desire...I think it's all part of their strategy to keep you coming back.

Lack of post fader fx on the SZ and its available on the SZ2

Production faults such as the SX3s well documented black vs red dot conundrum not factored in.

I dont pre-order nothing...I usually wait 6-12 months post launch before buying any gear. I consider that as adequate time for recalls and bug fixes. It's worked well for me so far...bar my experience with the Primes, MCX8000 and the 72...
Mr. Goodkat 10:26 PM - 4 May, 2019
exactly why i buy old proven gear. cheaper and i know the problem history. picked up a in the box 2015 64 for 900$ recently and im fine with it. i used to chase gear but it just doesnt make sense with all the problems you guys are talking about and the reality that mac os's are popping up all the time.
cosmicbaggy 9:10 AM - 5 May, 2019
Its like the mobile phone model, get your product to market first is more important than getting it to market right. Look at that folding phone that got recalled recently. These controllers are almost as bad...
dj_soo 9:28 AM - 5 May, 2019
The mixars primo took over 2 years to release since it was announced.

They definitely didn't get there first.
Ian Williams 11:01 AM - 5 May, 2019
First night out with my Primo last night.
There's a few "quirks" but overall I'm happy. I've also got a Denon MC7000, fully flight cased for big shows,.....but for a compact controller for smaller walk in gigs, it suits my purposes perfectly.
HK1200 1:19 PM - 5 May, 2019
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First night out with my Primo last night.
There's a few "quirks" but overall I'm happy. I've also got a Denon MC7000, fully flight cased for big shows,.....but for a compact controller for smaller walk in gigs, it suits my purposes perfectly.
I was excited for the Primo, but damned if that dough isn't still sitting in my bank account. Had they gotten it right out of the gate I'd probably own one already, but after waiting years for it to drop only to see them release it with bugs and a promise of a future fix... nah. I'll wait. That's not an acceptable way of doing business to me, and I won't encourage it by financially supporting their shit decisions.
dj.kinetic 8:33 PM - 14 May, 2019
Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.
JDfunky 8:58 AM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


That's interesting.. I have had this similar problem occur several times using my Vestax VCI-380. The track (each time the right deck) flips back to the very start of the track, not the first cue. I've posted a separate discussion about it in these forums.

Keep us posted if it happens again dj.kinetic
DJ Stygma 1:25 PM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


Imagine this happening during a couple's first dance at their reception. That is some scary ish.
JDfunky 1:52 PM - 15 May, 2019
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Used the primo this past weekend, I'm not sure if it was an accident or not but a couple times in the night I ran into the right deck on Serato cueing itself back to the beginning of a track while playin in the middle..not sure if this is actually a bug that anyone else has run into, but Im pretty sure didn't hit the other cue buttons at the time.


Imagine this happening during a couple's first dance at their reception. That is some scary ish.


I was playing a wedding last week and had a freaky thing happen with one deck, keeps speeding up and speeding up. Other deck working ok, but even unloading then loading a new track on that deck produced the same result. I played with one deck for a while, then when there was a lull on the floor I had to quit and restart Serato. No probs for rest of the night but I was sweating there for a bit!
johnnydel 9:52 AM - 16 May, 2019
I absolutely agree withe speeding up of the software discussion on pc... Thanks
Martin 83 10:09 AM - 22 May, 2019
Hello Guys,

So what is new with Primo, I had already owned one, but I had to send it back. I had spend 3 weeks of trying to make it work. The technical support from Mixars had ignored me for two weeks. Even after I had actually called them personally. On the other hand Serato support team helped m out and they found out that my unit had fakulty midi board, so I send it back to musicstore and had to argue with them for another week to get a full refund. They did not want to pay delivery charge back. So it has been a fucking shit experience so far.
However I have still been willing to give Primo another try. So are there any news regarding pitch fader issues? Best Wishes
DJ Tecniq 3:15 PM - 22 May, 2019
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So are there any news regarding pitch fader issues? Best Wishes
Sorry you had issues but regarding the pitch issue we are all sitting ducks awaiting the firmware fix.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 7:58 PM - 22 May, 2019
Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!
HellNegative1 11:20 PM - 22 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!


What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*
Serato, Support
Mike.C 11:22 PM - 22 May, 2019
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What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*



Actually, loads of great stuff, and I would love to share but I value my job too much.
DJ Tecniq 6:14 AM - 23 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!
Praise the lord🙏🏼
mabbs 6:33 AM - 23 May, 2019
Great news.

Getting this sort of feedback on the forum is appreciated.
Dj Youkai 7:50 AM - 23 May, 2019
Thank you Mike for that update. Not Giving on the Mixars Primo Yet 😊
adil 2:17 PM - 23 May, 2019
Hi Guys, been following this blog post in a while. The information here is very helpful. I recently pulled the trigger and got the Primo.

Overall first impressions are great! I did observer the same issues here as expected and looking forward to firmware updates as well.

One thing I did notice was that the master xlr output seems to have a limiter on it right around -6dbs when I plugged it into my line-in on my soundcard to see the levels. Other controllers I've tested go up to digital 0. Curious if I'm doing something incorrectly there...
Philmixit 10:03 PM - 23 May, 2019
I can hardly wait , yes, new update coming 👍🏾
DJ JulioYEG 3:32 AM - 29 May, 2019
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Hey guys, the Pitch fader and platter issues will be updated in the next Serato release (along with a firmware update for the Primo).

I can't tell you exactly when that release will be, but it's very soon, hang in there a little longer and you'll be pleased!


What else are we getting with this update? *wink wink nudge nudge*

echo out fixed maybe autogain or even better day mode
DJ Nin 1:50 PM - 29 May, 2019
DJ Booth review
Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Youkai 8:26 PM - 29 May, 2019
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DJ Booth review
Watchwww.youtube.com

Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 8:32 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.


It's an automatic calibration, you can't change any parameters or calibrate anything manually but it will set the touch sensitivity correctly (which is only required after a firmware update, they should come calibrated from the factory).

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
Dj Youkai 9:16 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.


It's an automatic calibration, you can't change any parameters or calibrate anything manually but it will set the touch sensitivity correctly (which is only required after a firmware update, they should come calibrated from the factory).

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.

Thanks, reason why I'm asking is that the left Jogwheel isn't that responsive as the right one. It loses the touch sensitivity. Hope this works.
DJ Stygma 10:58 PM - 29 May, 2019
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Actually, loads of great stuff, and I would love to share but I value my job too much.


Thanks to Serato’s Instagram we now know some of the great stuff is day mode and play counts.
DJ Tecniq 5:44 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be
Dj Youkai 6:21 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be

Thanks Bro, Another Question, does the Primo have to be plug into a power source or USB will do when doing this Fix?
DJ Tecniq 7:02 PM - 30 May, 2019
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Thanks for posting this, So.. How do we Calibrate the Jogwheels? He didn't thoroughly showed it in the video.

Here’s the demonstration from mixware

youtu.be

Thanks Bro, Another Question, does the Primo have to be plug into a power source or USB will do when doing this Fix?
yes if you follow the video he mentions the usb cable is plugged in.
Dj Youkai 7:14 PM - 30 May, 2019
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yes if you follow the video he mentions the usb cable is plugged in.

Looks Like the Power Source is Plugged in. Do you Need to Have the External Power adapter plugged in Also? Or just USB is Fine?
dj_soo 9:19 PM - 30 May, 2019
believe you can do either with the primo just like the SR2
boo-lee 9:31 PM - 30 May, 2019
I’ve been using the Primo for several months and while I connect a power supply during gigs (not wanting to take any risks), I haven’t had any issue or noticed any difference in behavior when using it without one.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 9:34 PM - 30 May, 2019
You can use the device bus bowered by the USB cable or with the power supply, the power supply will add more stability should the USB cable become disconnected. So even if you lose connection to Serato you could still use it in standalone mode if the power supply is connected.
dj.kinetic 4:10 AM - 31 May, 2019
For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect
boo-lee 6:33 AM - 31 May, 2019
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You can use the device bus bowered by the USB cable or with the power supply, the power supply will add more stability should the USB cable become disconnected. So even if you lose connection to Serato you could still use it in standalone mode if the power supply is connected.


Yes indeed. When I said “no difference in behavior with or without power supply” I was regering to using it purely as a Serato controller.
DJ Jakey Chan 9:40 AM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


how was it getting the innofader in, easy job or not ?
shaunLEGEND 4:51 PM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect

Also is the cut in sharper now with an innofader? What was shown in the dj booth video was a bit too much travel to me.
dj.kinetic 8:01 PM - 31 May, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


how was it getting the innofader in, easy job or not ?


remove the 38 screws on the top, use a hair dryer to heat up the surface of the faceplate, lift the faceplate off gently with a plastic flat edge, then use the large 3 pin adapter supplied with the innofader and plug in and calibrate the fader to your liking, then put it all back together...its plug and play..


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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect

Also is the cut in sharper now with an innofader? What was shown in the dj booth video was a bit too much travel to me.


yup its not instant cut in, not that lag where its a few mm before it cuts in on the stock..highly recommend replacing it if you like or are used to sharp cut ins.
Dj Youkai 2:13 PM - 1 June, 2019
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For those curious about crossfaded replacement..just dropped an Innofader mini plus in my primo once we get that serato update it'll be perfect


Is This Model You Used?
djdeals.com
djstefy74 6:46 AM - 2 June, 2019
@Youkai
Yes is the mini plus that fit the Primo
Dj Youkai 6:19 PM - 2 June, 2019
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@Youkai
Yes is the mini plus that fit the Primo

Ok.. Just making sure cause there's 7am << different versions of mini plus there, I specifically posted that link. But it doesn't show it's compatible with The Mixars Primo.
mabbs 8:00 PM - 5 June, 2019
So I have been in touch with Mixware and they have been really responsive and helpful. Mike sent me three beta firmware versions to test (only difference seems to be the jog sensitivity) - The jogs feel nicer and the master volume isn't coming in as hot immediately. However, the pitch issues remain. It is no longer jumping a full BPM around the centre of the slider, but there are missing increments throughout now (it will go 130.2 to 130.5 to 130.7 etc no matter how delicate I am) Hopefully the final version and next Serato update will solve this.
djstefy74 9:29 PM - 5 June, 2019
Good that a new firmware is in progress!but at least they can put it on the Mixars website so more people can test it.. hope the final release will coming soon with the new Sdj update..
@mabbs can u send me the beta fw via email?
So i test on my unit,if u want write to
djstefy74@yahoo.it
Thanks!i think that the fw it’s the same for all the countries..
Dj Youkai 10:24 PM - 6 June, 2019
Anyone Tried Serato 2.2 Beta Yet? They Released it on IG. Wondering If the Jogwheel Lights are Implimented already 😊
djstefy74 10:34 PM - 6 June, 2019
@DjYoukai
Yes the jogs lights works fine!
Dj Youkai 11:11 PM - 6 June, 2019
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@DjYoukai
Yes the jogs lights works fine!

YeaYuhz!!!!! Thank You!!! 😁
v@l 8:01 PM - 7 June, 2019
Guys The Mixars Primo Tempo Resolution With The Beta Firmware Update 12c Works Perfect In Traktor Pro 3 I Can Adjust BPM By 00.01 @ +- 8 Percent So I Hope Serato Can Fix The Tempo Slider Resolution In The Software Anyone Else With Traktor Can You Midi Map The Tempo Slider Of The Primo & Confirm My Findings..
adil 7:01 PM - 9 June, 2019
installed the mini innofader plus today, what a hudge difference! it's sharp, gotta turn the CF curve to almost half for my style of djing lol.
Ollieboy 6:03 AM - 11 June, 2019
Something I forgot to mention. When you have the hardware effects on there's no absolute zero when have the dial set in the middle. (12o'clock) You still hear the effect. Whether it's the filter or echo. Unless you disengage the effect by pressing the button, you can still hear it.
djstefy74 10:28 AM - 11 June, 2019
@Ollieboy yeah i’ve written in other post,i’ve the crush and echo that do this,but the onboard fx are hardware so i think it’s more fw related than Sdj
boo-lee 9:07 PM - 15 June, 2019
I installed the latest firmware from the Mixars website (1.12) and installed the latest non-beta Serato version (2.1.2) and as read in the Serato release notes:

1.Updated the Mixars Primo pitch fader resolution, requires a firmware update
2.Updated the Mixars Primo platter lighting to follow virtual deck spindle position

Indeed, 1) is resolved and 2) works perfect! :) Thanks Serato and Mixars, this is now the near-perfect 2 channel Serato controller!

The only annoying (but minor) issue is the dead zone in the master knob (you have to turn it up to some degrees before you start hearing something, it has an on/off behavior).
djstefy74 11:25 PM - 15 June, 2019
Yeah,and the master volume in Serato that is locked at 12 o’clock..finish yet a wedding and it seems work fine for 3 hours..
ardentdj 4:19 PM - 16 June, 2019
Nice to have a pitch range that doesn't jump around now :)

However... I loaded my MIxars Primo up just now, was fiddling around with a loop and the left deck play button stopped working. The track was stopped, I was trying to play it. Press play, and the button would change from flashing blue to constant blue -- but the track wouldn't play.

Tried cue buttons. They would skip to the cue point (though weirdly, about a 1/4 beat in front of each one, but only occasionally play if I held the cue down. Often, nothing. No sound. The wave forms static. The play button remained unable to play the track. Had to reset Serato, now it seems to be working fine.

Has anyone else had this issue? Or was it somehow disabled because I inadvertently got myself tangled up with the loops? (I was pretty sure by this point I'd saved and come out of loop creation, but not 100%; the blue loop bar was static over in the latter half of the track, I was over at the first cue point at the start, with no blue loop bar anywhere near me, unable to play the track).

Grateful if anyone can advise.
ardentdj 5:13 PM - 16 June, 2019
I've now replicated the issue twice in a row, just by creating a manual loop on the left deck. It seems to disable the play button -- even if the loop is finished, saved, disabled and deleted. And the issue persists if I load a new track onto the deck.

This is only on the left deck, couldn't get it to do it on the right.

I've raised a ticket with serato, but interested if anyone else is having this issue. I'm on the latest version of Serato (not the beta).
Dj Youkai 5:27 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Ardent, I have the same problem, but for me it was the pitch range, I changed it then tried to press play and same thing happened, but instead of restarting serato all I did was turn primo, wait.. Then turn it back on it went away, then I tried it again, starting the the beginning, but this time it did play, sound is working, then all I did was nudge the left Platter and sound stopped, pressed play to pause, then pressed it again and it wouldn't play.. I turned Primo off and turned it back on and and it went away.

I tried this. I reinstalled serato again. Seems like it's working again.. Did a gig last night for 2 hours and so far it's working.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 7:46 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hey guys I have tried to reproduce the issues you are describing but can't when using SDJ 2.1.2 and firmware 1.1.

Is there anything else you can add that might help to diagnose the problem? A video may be helpful.

It would also be worth trying the platter calibration procedure since it sounds like both of your issues are platter related.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
ardentdj 8:40 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding so quickly. I uploaded a video of the issue once it had happened along with my ticket (577138), if that's at all useful.

Interestingly enough, after I'd recorded that video (third time I'd had the issue), I found the left platter was behaving strangely. When I moved it around on a paused track with the left deck the track would move back and forward INCREDIBLY slowly. Spinning it as fast I could would barely get the paused track to move forward at quarter speed.

So, I ran the platter calibration and that fixed it. Then I tried to recreate the jammed play button issue, and haven't been able to.

Will have another go and report back. Will try and record it too.

Just yesterday I updated the firmware and Serato, and hadn't tried looping since then, so maybe the calibration is the key!
Serato, Support
Mike.C 8:50 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for responding so quickly. I uploaded a video of the issue once it had happened along with my ticket (577138), if that's at all useful.

Interestingly enough, after I'd recorded that video (third time I'd had the issue), I found the left platter was behaving strangely. When I moved it around on a paused track with the left deck the track would move back and forward INCREDIBLY slowly. Spinning it as fast I could would barely get the paused track to move forward at quarter speed.

So, I ran the platter calibration and that fixed it. Then I tried to recreate the jammed play button issue, and haven't been able to.

Will have another go and report back. Will try and record it too.

Just yesterday I updated the firmware and Serato, and hadn't tried looping since then, so maybe the calibration is the key!


No problem! The support team will get back to you on that ticket. Sounds like the platter calibration may have helped! Feel free to drop more comments in here if you keep having issues, I'll do my best to help out.
ardentdj 8:56 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike,

Ha, I turned the Mixar on to try and replicate the issue. Just wiggled the left platter back and forward and the play button jam happened straight away. And so did the slow platter speed.

So I did the platter calibration again and it fixed it.

What I don't understand is, why do I need to keep calibrating the platter?

I've also noticed when I turn on the Mixars, Serato shows an error at the bottom of the screen: Error Loading Midi.xml. Any idea what that's about, and if the two things might be related?

I tried removing and adding the Primo from my MIDI Studio (Mac) but the error is still there.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 9:00 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike,

Ha, I turned the Mixar on to try and replicate the issue. Just wiggled the left platter back and forward and the play button jam happened straight away. And so did the slow platter speed.

So I did the platter calibration again and it fixed it.

What I don't understand is, why do I need to keep calibrating the platter?

I've also noticed when I turn on the Mixars, Serato shows an error at the bottom of the screen: Error Loading Midi.xml. Any idea what that's about, and if the two things might be related?

I tried removing and adding the Primo from my MIDI Studio (Mac) but the error is still there.


Damn, I do know that the platter calibration needs to be done after each firmware update. Hopefully it continues to work normally now.

The MIDI error you are seeing is because SDJ is trying to load a custom mapping file. If you don't use any custom mappings then you can simply delete the MIDI folder from this location (while Serato is closed), then when you re-open SDJ a new xml file will be generated. You can find the MIDI folder at Music>_Serato_>MIDI.
Dj Youkai 10:23 PM - 16 June, 2019
Hi Mike, I Did Do a Platter Calibration also.. And like 3 times, I had that error also, I also had another problem trying to scratch on the left Platter before and the response of the Platter was weak, sometimes it goes nudging mode, and I don't get any sensitivity.. But after giving more of a harder pressure on the Platter.. That seem to fixed it. I'm gonna try test it again. Hopefully all of this problems doesn't come up again. Thanks for your quick response.
DJ Alibi 11:54 PM - 16 June, 2019
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Hi Mike, I Did Do a Platter Calibration also.. And like 3 times, I had that error also, I also had another problem trying to scratch on the left Platter before and the response of the Platter was weak, sometimes it goes nudging mode, and I don't get any sensitivity.. But after giving more of a harder pressure on the Platter.. That seem to fixed it. I'm gonna try test it again. Hopefully all of this problems doesn't come up again. Thanks for your quick response.



glad i logged in!! havnt been on here for a while! i thought i was the only one having this problem!! this happened in both Serato and VDJ, i thought maybe it was a USB issue,
DJ Tecniq 5:19 AM - 17 June, 2019
If any of you have had jog wheel issues I would recommend doing the calibration however I have not had any platter issues yet maybe i just got lucky when it came from the factory. Glad I followed this post cause it’s very informative on updates or user issues some of us have. I have not been able to do the firmware update yet but plan on trying it out this week.
dj_soo 6:07 AM - 17 June, 2019
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this happened in both Serato and VDJ


if it's happening in different software, it's possible it's a hardware issue.
ardentdj 7:41 AM - 17 June, 2019
Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?
v@l 8:26 AM - 17 June, 2019
I did both updates serato dj & firmware update did a 7hr set zero issues..
Dj Youkai 12:09 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?

Before the update, Jogwheel and the play button works. Then Platter sensitive happened later on, but that's still before the update.
djstefy74 3:59 PM - 17 June, 2019
Hey DJYoukai,have you try with the beta fw 1.12C instead of the official 1.12?
Dj Youkai 6:02 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Hey DJYoukai,have you try with the beta fw 1.12C instead of the official 1.12?

I haven't yet.. Figured I'll try the official one and not the Beta 😂
DJ Alibi 7:10 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?


Yes! Happened before and after, it's so weird because it starts happening out of nowhere, it might work for like 5 hours and then next thing you know....
brianbatesd 10:29 PM - 17 June, 2019
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Is everyone who's having the issues with playback/left platter on the latest firmware (1.12) from Mixars? I've only had this issue since I updated Serato and the Primo to the latest versions a few days ago.

Or has anyone had this on firmware version 1.09?


Yes! Happened before and after, it's so weird because it starts happening out of nowhere, it might work for like 5 hours and then next thing you know....


Yep, me as well. Both versions of firmware and at least two versions of Serato. It seems to come back to life if you toggler the deck select switch a couple times.

Today the right platter didn't want to work in vinyl mode so that was interesting. I tried a few things to get it back but no luck. Prior to that I was beat juggling and scratching for long sessions on the new firmware and 2.1.2 update that introduced the LED ring movement.
brianbatesd 1:02 AM - 18 June, 2019
Calibrating the platters appears to have fixed the sudden unresponsiveness of vinyl mode with the jogs. Thanks to everyone for posting their fixes and issues. Helps us all.

I think I’m stable now...
Dj Youkai 4:22 AM - 18 June, 2019
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Calibrating the platters appears to have fixed the sudden unresponsiveness of vinyl mode with the jogs. Thanks to everyone for posting their fixes and issues. Helps us all.

I think I’m stable now...

I think when Installed the Newest Version of Serato and Updated the Primo Firmware and Calibrateed the Jogwheel, it had issues.. But I Reinstalled Serato Again.. It Seems to be Working Again. That was like on My Last Gig this past Saturday. I haven't tested it again. But I'll Give You Guys an Update when I do 😊
ardentdj 6:04 AM - 18 June, 2019
Is it relatively straight forward to reinstall serato without losing beat grids, cues and colour coding on my tracks?

Can someone talk me through it?
dj_soo 6:06 AM - 18 June, 2019
you shouldn't lose anything - all the info is either saved to your _serato_ folder or directly to the tracks
brianbatesd 3:56 PM - 18 June, 2019
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I think when Installed the Newest Version of Serato and Updated the Primo Firmware and Calibrateed the Jogwheel, it had issues.. But I Reinstalled Serato Again.. It Seems to be Working Again. That was like on My Last Gig this past Saturday. I haven't tested it again. But I'll Give You Guys an Update when I do 😊


Word. Keep us posted.

I had a decent session last night, beat juggling and mixing for a couple hours. I had a short one before that just to test after calibration. No issues.

I'm on Serato 2.1.2 with the 1.12 firmware.

Here's how to calibrate the jog wheels. Sorry if it's a repost but the instructions can be hard to track down.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
DJ Stygma 7:06 PM - 18 June, 2019
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Here's how to calibrate the jog wheels. Sorry if it's a repost but the instructions can be hard to track down.

1) Press and hold NOISE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching.
2) Do not touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration.
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.



So that means you turn it on while holding NOISE + FILTER, do nothing, then press SHIFT?

What happens between the time you turn it on and when you press Shift?
ardentdj 9:13 PM - 18 June, 2019
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So that means you turn it on while holding NOISE + FILTER, do nothing, then press SHIFT?

What happens between the time you turn it on and when you press Shift?


Yeah, you just hold NOISE and FILTER when you power up. The unit will kind of half load up the lights.

Then just press shift (being careful not to touch the platters in the process).

Pretty sure that's it... unless I've been doing it wrong
brianbatesd 2:08 AM - 19 June, 2019
That’s the same thing I did as well. Waited a few seconds then pressed shift and the unit restarted.
DJ Stygma 3:31 PM - 19 June, 2019
Thanks for the replies
DJ Jakey Chan 10:19 AM - 23 June, 2019
My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?
DJ Jakey Chan 10:20 AM - 23 June, 2019
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My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?

Sorry my left jog wheel, (right seems to work ok but i dont use it as much as the left)
DJ Alibi 6:24 PM - 28 June, 2019
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My right jog wheel on the latest firmware is still not working correctly in vinyl mode but seems to work fine on the beta version. I've tried calibrating etc. anyone else still having trouble with jogs in vinyl mode on the latest firmware ?

Sorry my left jog wheel, (right seems to work ok but i dont use it as much as the left)[/quote my left a jog stopped working after the update, o did the calibration two or three times until it finally just started working again, maybe I wasn't doing the combination right in the calibration. however I am a bit worried because this problem happens once every two or three times I use the controller, I have dig this weekend I'm going to see how it goes
DJ Alibi 6:26 PM - 28 June, 2019
And I can't edit my post LOL
DJ Tecniq 7:58 PM - 28 June, 2019
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And I can't edit my post LOL
We haven’t been able to since 2000’ when Scratchlive was around. Welcome to the forum😊
Dj Youkai 8:07 PM - 28 June, 2019
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And I can't edit my post LOL
We haven’t been able to since 2000’ when Scratchlive was around. Welcome to the forum😊


They Should upgrade the forum also 😊
Dj Youkai 2:28 AM - 29 June, 2019
Hey Everyone! There's a New Firmware Out at Mixars Site. Version 1.13 Gonna Test it Out. If You Already Did. Please Update Us. Thank You 😊
DJ Alibi 9:21 PM - 30 June, 2019
After the 1.13 update you can tell they tried to fix it because instead of not working at all, it still works, but now, it starts getting "sqwiggly" is the best way I can describe it , happens within like an hour of use, starts with the left jog, then slowly the right side stops working, I'm at my Wit's end about to sell the son of a b****, going back to DVS permanently.... Going back to using my trusty pioneer wego4 for now

And you know the funny thing is whenever you hit the stop button the jogs work, and the indicator both on the controller and on the software move, but as soon as you hit play and try to scratch is when it starts, otherwise I would have thought it was a USB cord issue or something, someone was saying it might be a power issue but it happened even after I unplugged it from the wall and use the power straight from the lab top so that rules that out. I don't know I'm upset
DJ Alibi 9:24 PM - 30 June, 2019
Oh yeah and to add... Maybe it's something that happens to it while it is in travel? Maybe we have to calibrated if we move it from one place to the other?? and the other strange thing is as soon as I get my ass home with it and hook it back up, it will work, but I don't do much at home so maybe that's the thing as it happens after like an hour of use. Once again I'm going to calibrated one more time maybe do a live show and see what happens this time
brianbatesd 5:58 PM - 1 July, 2019
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Maybe we have to calibrated if we move it from one place to the other


This is my line of thinking as well at this point. Have you tried calibrating it every time you use it? Did that solve the issue?

I haven't tried 1.13 ... I'm on 1.12 but my right jog wheel will start to slip out of vinyl mode if I'm scratching heavily. I'm right handed so that could be the reason that I notice it there.

It's incredibly frustrating because that was the reason I bought this controller. It nicely bridged the gap from DVS without having to lug turntables around.

When it works, it's dope. I can juggle and cut without issue. When it starts to lose conductivity or whatever is going on, it really is a frustrating experience.

If you don't scratch, the controller is pretty much flawless so for my next gig, I will only be mixing with it.
brianbatesd 4:50 PM - 2 July, 2019
I have 1.13 installed now. So far so good. I've been DJing for about 20 minutes on it.

I have another issue though that requires restarting the controller. I have no idea what is causing it but suddenly the right channel will have a really low bass response. I have to close Serato, restart the controller and restart Serato to get the levels equal on both channels.

I really wish this controller would have undergone more extensive testing before they shipped it.
Dj Youkai 8:00 PM - 2 July, 2019
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I have 1.13 installed now. So far so good. I've been DJing for about 20 minutes on it.

I have another issue though that requires restarting the controller. I have no idea what is causing it but suddenly the right channel will have a really low bass response. I have to close Serato, restart the controller and restart Serato to get the levels equal on both channels.

I really wish this controller would have undergone more extensive testing before they shipped it.

Have you tried deleting the MIDI folder after Calibrating the Jog Wheels? Maybe that will help it. 🤔
brianbatesd 9:06 PM - 2 July, 2019
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Have you tried deleting the MIDI folder after Calibrating the Jog Wheels? Maybe that will help it. 🤔


Which MIDI folder? System or application?
Dj Youkai 12:45 AM - 3 July, 2019
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Which MIDI folder? System or application?


I mean Clear your midi studio in your Audio MIDI setup.. In the Application. Maybe that would help.
DJ Alibi 11:54 AM - 3 July, 2019
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Maybe we have to calibrated if we move it from one place to the other


If you don't scratch, the controller is pretty much flawless so for my next gig, I will only be mixing with it.


Yeah on 1.12, it would slip out of vinyl mode. On 1.13, you can tell that they tried to fix it because it doesn't slip out of vinyl mode completely, now it slips and acts like it's just losing touch sensitivity, yes I agree it's a great DVS machine, I thought about selling it and just getting the Quattro, but the Quattro is not supported by my favorite software virtual DJ,
DJ Alibi 11:57 AM - 3 July, 2019
i mean i can deal with Serato though lol
brianbatesd 10:44 PM - 3 July, 2019
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Which MIDI folder? System or application?


I mean Clear your midi studio in your Audio MIDI setup.. In the Application. Maybe that would help.


Oh word. I'll give that a try tonight. I just removed the device. Good call. I appreciate it!
DJ Alibi 6:01 PM - 4 July, 2019
I just noticed after a windows update, that my usb settings switched back to default, this may be the issue, i had them all "unchecked" as stated in serato performance suggestions
brianbatesd 11:26 PM - 5 July, 2019
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I just noticed after a windows update, that my usb settings switched back to default, this may be the issue, i had them all "unchecked" as stated in serato performance suggestions


I don't think that's it if you're talking about vinyl mode dropping out. I'm on a Mac so that's not even a thing for me and I have the same issue.
djstefy74 7:12 PM - 6 July, 2019
Hi guys,first real "stress test"..today wedding in a park from 11am to 18pm(oh,here in Italy) air temperature about 33c\92f(lucky to have a second shirt!)MacbookPro 13 early 2015,Sdj 2.1.2,2ms buffer,Primo..all work flawlessly,no hiccup or audio dropout,no probs with the controller,for me the only things to repair in SDj are the volume locked at 12 o'clock and the bleeding fx,i'm very satisfied with the stability..
brianbatesd 10:55 PM - 7 July, 2019
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Hi guys,first real "stress test"..today wedding in a park from 11am to 18pm(oh,here in Italy) air temperature about 33c\92f(lucky to have a second shirt!)MacbookPro 13 early 2015,Sdj 2.1.2,2ms buffer,Primo..all work flawlessly,no hiccup or audio dropout,no probs with the controller,for me the only things to repair in SDj are the volume locked at 12 o'clock and the bleeding fx,i'm very satisfied with the stability..


That's great to hear. The controller is fantastic for this type of use.

Vinyl mode has been the major problem, however, for those of us who scratch and beat juggle. With the current iterations of firmware and software it continues to randomly drop out.
DJ Alibi 3:09 AM - 8 July, 2019
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Vinyl mode has been the major problem, however, for those of us who scratch and beat juggle. With the current iterations of firmware and software it continues to randomly drop out.


Yeah you're right even after setting it to performance mode I still had the same Dropouts just like you mentioned but on on Windows 10

I made a little vud of the problem
DJ Alibi 3:09 AM - 8 July, 2019
I made a little vid of the problem

youtu.be
djstefy74 10:27 AM - 8 July, 2019
Sad to see..have you tried or if you can try another Primo..to see if is an hardware problem..
DJ Tecniq 2:49 PM - 8 July, 2019
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youtu.be
I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.
brianbatesd 5:17 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.
brianbatesd 5:19 PM - 8 July, 2019
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Sad to see..have you tried or if you can try another Primo..to see if is an hardware problem..


It's not a unique issue. I have the exact same issue on my Primo. It's either a hardware flaw that needs to be recalled and repaired by Mixars or it's a firmware issue.
Ollieboy 6:49 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.

Check the plugs your using or the multiple outlet.
Mine was a grounding issue. I was missing the ground plug on my multiple outlet.
DJ Tecniq 10:50 PM - 8 July, 2019
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I would remove the laptop stand underneath which could def pose a grounding problem. Metal/Metal not good.


It's not that. I have the same issue.

Check the plugs your using or the multiple outlet.
Mine was a grounding issue. I was missing the ground plug on my multiple outlet.
I said the same but in the YouTube comments i think he said it’s happened at multiple venues & diff outlets.
Res-Q 12:16 AM - 9 July, 2019
what about if you don't use the power outlet?
The Primo doesnt need power
Primo's audio quality remains the same using only the usb cable to power it. The lights are dimmed when not using the AC adaptor and it does not work as standalone mixer with just USB as the Phono Preamps need power.
Ollieboy 1:13 AM - 9 July, 2019
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what about if you don't use the power outlet?
The Primo doesnt need power
Primo's audio quality remains the same using only the usb cable to power it. The lights are dimmed when not using the AC adaptor and it does not work as standalone mixer with just USB as the Phono Preamps need power.

I wasn't using the Primo adapter but my speakers and laptop were plugged into a multiple outlet with a broken ground plug. Since they are all connected, bad grownding can interfere somehow.
Res-Q 1:29 AM - 9 July, 2019
so do you have this issue with proper grounding / connections too?
v@l 10:21 AM - 9 July, 2019
Ive used the primo usb powerd on dvs and it still works standalone..
DJ Jakey Chan 10:23 AM - 9 July, 2019
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youtu.be


Same issue i've had, happens at multiple venues on different plugs etc. and at random. I have tried all updates and calibrating etc.

Anyone from mixars able to comment if this will get sorted at some point ( is it firmware or hardware ? ) as for me its ruining the controller for me
brianbatesd 6:30 PM - 9 July, 2019
Same issue here as well. I've also tried bus-powered, ac-powered, trying to ground my hands before touching the unit, etc. Vinyl mode eventually drops out no matter what.

FW V1.13 Date 28/06/2019
– Improved jog wheel touch response. (Make sure to re-calibrate the jog wheel touch after firmware update)

I didn't notice any improvement on this build.
Mr. Goodkat 7:38 PM - 9 July, 2019
so overall how is it going w the primo?
Res-Q 10:46 PM - 9 July, 2019
you guys should email info@mixars.com they are quick to give answers
v@l 2:01 PM - 10 July, 2019
My Primo's rock solid zero issues apart from master volume on serato stuck at 12' 0'clock
brianbatesd 5:27 PM - 10 July, 2019
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My Primo's rock solid zero issues apart from master volume on serato stuck at 12' 0'clock


Have you been scratching and cutting on it extensively?
v@l 7:49 PM - 10 July, 2019
Yes a lot of scratching and juggling no issues & im on the new firmware 1.3 even though i had no issues on 1.2..
dj_soo 8:58 PM - 10 July, 2019
If that’s the case, it’s could very well be a hardware issue like what happened with the 505
brianbatesd 4:53 PM - 11 July, 2019
Mixars response:

It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.
create0 5:03 PM - 11 July, 2019
That's really cognitive information to know about such a indomitable and concrete stuffs. I stolidly respect that effort and hope to keep the good work as same as always.
DJ Tecniq 6:03 PM - 11 July, 2019
SDJ is littered with bugs. Wish it was the same development team as Scratchlive...unfortunately unstable seems to be the norm going forward. To be honest I’ve never liked SDJ just had to adapt to it cause SSL is no longer supported.
dj_soo 6:36 PM - 11 July, 2019
It really isn’t. There are issues like anything else, but scratchlive has issues at the end too.
IssALeXLuThOr 8:34 PM - 11 July, 2019
hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur
DJ Tecniq 9:21 PM - 11 July, 2019
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It really isn’t. There are issues like anything else, but scratchlive has issues at the end too.
Strongly disagree I’ve never had GUI freezes or glitches on Scratchlive ever. SDJ constantly while searching/scrolling library.
brianbatesd 10:21 PM - 11 July, 2019
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hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur


Ran this through Google translate:

hello, I had the same problem with jogg's in vinyl mode but problem solved by changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings".

Thank you! Worth a try. A lot of us are at 2ms. Maybe changing to 5ms will fix the issue?
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 11 July, 2019
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changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings
Wait...where is the Mixars control panel? Did not know of this🤷🏼‍♂️ Only Serato buffer settings🤔
IssALeXLuThOr 7:54 AM - 12 July, 2019
le panneau mixars est normalement a cette adresse

C:\Program Files\MIXARS\MIXARS_Driver
Dj Youkai 9:10 AM - 12 July, 2019
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le panneau mixars est normalement a cette adresse

C:\Program Files\MIXARS\MIXARS_Driver


Hmmm... Is there a panel for Macs?
IssALeXLuThOr 11:07 AM - 12 July, 2019
pour mac je crois, pas de mise a jour du logiciel a faire

normalement totalement plug & play

donc je pense que la latence usb se règle dans serato onglet "audio"
DJ Tecniq 3:21 PM - 12 July, 2019
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Hmmm... Is there a panel for Macs?
Right. Never saw this mentioned in the manual either
brianbatesd 4:56 PM - 12 July, 2019
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pour mac je crois, pas de mise a jour du logiciel a faire

normalement totalement plug & play

donc je pense que la latence usb se règle dans serato onglet "audio"


Interesting. Maybe this problem only exists on MacOS computers.

I adjusted the latency in the Serato settings and it didn't fix the issue.
IssALeXLuThOr 8:59 PM - 12 July, 2019
oui mais il faut plutôt contacter mixars.

si probléme de micrologiciel sur MacOS
IssALeXLuThOr 9:01 PM - 12 July, 2019
je vais aller chercher un Mac ce weekend pour trouvé une solution
DJ Alibi 11:34 AM - 14 July, 2019
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Mixars response:

It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.


Cool but it also happens on virtual DJ
DJ Alibi 11:35 AM - 14 July, 2019
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hello, j'au eu le même problème avec les jogg's en mode vinyle mais problème résolut en modifiant la latence USB dans le panneau "mixars control panel" onglet "buffer settings".
trouvez le meilleur rapport entre vôtres mixars et vôtres ordinateur


Ran this through Google translate:

hello, I had the same problem with jogg's in vinyl mode but problem solved by changing the USB latency in the panel "mixars control panel" tab "buffer settings".

Thank you! Worth a try. A lot of us are at 2ms. Maybe changing to 5ms will fix the issue?


I don't guess Windows has this panel?
DJ Alibi 11:36 AM - 14 July, 2019
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pour mac je crois, pas de mise a jour du logiciel a faire

normalement totalement plug & play

donc je pense que la latence usb se règle dans serato onglet "audio"


Interesting. Maybe this problem only exists on MacOS computers.

I adjusted the latency in the Serato settings and it didn't fix the issue.


I'm using win 10 same problem
DJ Alibi 11:40 AM - 14 July, 2019
Anyway, whatever the problem is I'm kind of over it, there's no reason you should spend money on a controller and have to worry about something like "interference", already have it on the market and looking at a rane72 deal 😂
IssALeXLuThOr 3:42 PM - 14 July, 2019
dj Alibi si tu es sur Windows 10 je te donne le chemin ou tu trouveras normalement le tableau de control mixars

C:\Program Files\MIXARS\MIXARS_Driver\W10_x64

puis prendre l'application "MixarsCplApp"
brianbatesd 9:43 PM - 15 July, 2019
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Mixars response:

It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.


Cool but it also happens on virtual DJ


Email info@mixars.com and let them know. Let's make sure there is light shed on this issue. I know you said you're selling it but as someone who is keeping it, I would appreciate it a ton if you sent in a note to them.
djstev1e 11:44 PM - 15 July, 2019
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Mixars response:

It seems that Serato has already identified a bug regarding vinyl mode / scrubbing issues.

Looks like it's a known issue so I'm sure they'll get it sorted soon. Thanks for everyone for working towards getting this fixed.


Cool but it also happens on virtual DJ


Email info@mixars.com and let them know. Let's make sure there is light shed on this issue. I know you said you're selling it but as someone who is keeping it, I would appreciate it a ton if you sent in a note to them.



Here's what I received from Mixars:


Thanks for contacting us and purchasing Primo!

It seems that Serato has identified it as bug already and is working on it but we will also release another FW update in the next few weeks for a more detailed calibration.
However we suggest to to try again to re-calibrate the jog wheels which might help.

Jog wheel touch sensitivity calibration：
1) Press and hold NOSIE + FILTER then power on to enter Audio mode switching
2) Do NOT touch JOG WHEEL during the calibration
3) Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.

We remain at your disposal.

Best!

Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
DJ Alibi 5:34 AM - 20 July, 2019
Glad they responded but you can recalibrate the jog wheels until you're blue in the face, the left jog wheel will always start going out. and it's not just a Serato thing it does the same thing with vdj
DJ Alibi 2:49 AM - 21 July, 2019
I'm still not giving up yet, Satan is trying to get me to finance a range 72 and I'm trying to stay away from that LOL, so I sent mixars a very specific email, with all the problems and everything I have tried, let's see what happens

I sent them this:

Hello! First of all, wanted to say thanks to all the support and updates you guys have been providing for this controller so far, (Mixars Primo), most of the features are flawless, my only small problem, is that the left jog wheel, (only the left) appears to be slipping in and out of vinyl mode, I have tried all suggestions, all software, (Serato & Virtual DJ) including repeated calibration, but I don’t thing its a calibration issue, because when the jog wheel does work, it works great, I noticed you have to push down hard to get it back on track also,
but, I have tried all power options as well, I am wondering if maybe I have a
Defective unit. I have had it since February and still paying on it via zzounds.com could this unit still be replaced if that is the case? Or maybe a future firmware update? Any info is appreciated, thanks!!
Ollieboy 8:06 PM - 21 July, 2019
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I'm still not giving up yet, Satan is trying to get me to finance a range 72 and I'm trying to stay away from that LOL, so I sent mixars a very specific email, with all the problems and everything I have tried, let's see what happens

I sent them this:

Hello! First of all, wanted to say thanks to all the support and updates you guys have been providing for this controller so far, (Mixars Primo), most of the features are flawless, my only small problem, is that the left jog wheel, (only the left) appears to be slipping in and out of vinyl mode, I have tried all suggestions, all software, (Serato & Virtual DJ) including repeated calibration, but I don’t thing its a calibration issue, because when the jog wheel does work, it works great, I noticed you have to push down hard to get it back on track also,
but, I have tried all power options as well, I am wondering if maybe I have a
Defective unit. I have had it since February and still paying on it via zzounds.com could this unit still be replaced if that is the case? Or maybe a future firmware update? Any info is appreciated, thanks!!

Maybe you can send it back as a lemon. It should be under some kind of warranty or there's a return policy and get a new one. I had 2 units sitting at my pad for me to figure out what the issue was. (1 was the original purchase and the 2nd was the replacement.) I had the problem of the left jog wheel slipping but it was due to a grounding issue.
djstev1e 11:48 PM - 22 July, 2019
Same here - it's only specific to the left jog wheel. I'm not sure if this is a software issue at. My return deadline is coming up so I have initiated a request for replacement or refund. This sucks.
brianbatesd 10:41 PM - 23 July, 2019
Mine is only the right jog wheel. They seem to be convinced that firmware or software can fix it. We're waiting...
DJ Alibi 11:46 PM - 23 July, 2019
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Same here - it's only specific to the left jog wheel. I'm not sure if this is a software issue at. My return deadline is coming up so I have initiated a request for replacement or refund. This sucks.


yea, i am way past my return status, Mixars suggested that i contact Mixware to see about returning it, i figured maybe i can just sale it on the market place or Offer UP or something like that, i just now paid it off...
DJ Alibi 11:49 PM - 23 July, 2019

Maybe you can send it back as a lemon. It should be under some kind of warranty or there's a return policy and get a new one. I had 2 units sitting at my pad for me to figure out what the issue was. (1 was the original purchase and the 2nd was the replacement.) I had the problem of the left jog wheel slipping but it was due to a grounding issue.

how could you tell is was a grounding issue? i tried 5 different cables, laptop, ipad, tables, plugs, you name it... even on my gig was at a new house, same issue, in fact it was worse when i played out, then when i played at home lol, so is both units you have , same problem? thanks for your info btw..
DJ Tecniq 11:49 PM - 23 July, 2019
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yea, i am way past my return status, Mixars suggested that i contact Mixware to see about returning it, i figured maybe i can just sale it on the market place or Offer UP or something like that, i just now paid it off...
So no warranty if it’s a defective unit? Doesn’t sound right. Where did you purchase from?
DJ Alibi 3:14 PM - 25 July, 2019
Zzounds
HellNegative1 5:55 PM - 25 July, 2019
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Zzounds gives you 45 days on returns. After that point, they assume there are no manufacturer defects, since it's plenty of time to complete testing. Many other shops have a similar returns/exchanges policy.

Sounds like Mixars or Mixware need to step up and start eating the cost to replace defective products.
brianbatesd 6:04 PM - 25 July, 2019
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Sounds like Mixars or Mixware need to step up and start eating the cost to replace defective products.


Do we know that the jog wheel issue is hardware related though or is that just an assumption? Their support emails lead me to believe otherwise.

Completely agree though, if it's hardware related, they need to repair the products at the very least. It tooks months to get traction on the initial issues and now it has been a month since the last firmware updated that was supposed to address the issue.
dj_soo 8:52 PM - 25 July, 2019
If the same problem is happening on different software, it’s more likely a hardware problem.

Hope this isn’t the Roland 505 all over again.
brianbatesd 9:19 PM - 25 July, 2019
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If the same problem is happening on different software, it’s more likely a hardware problem.

Hope this isn’t the Roland 505 all over again.


Oh geez. Good point.

What was the resolution from Roland? Did they fix/replace?
dj_soo 1:22 AM - 26 July, 2019
Needed to send back for a repair - they would do it on warranty although I don’t know how they dealt with units out of warranty since it was pretty widespread.
cosmicbaggy 11:53 AM - 26 July, 2019
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If the same problem is happening on different software, it’s more likely a hardware problem.

Hope this isn’t the Roland 505 all over again.


Oh geez. Good point.

What was the resolution from Roland? Did they fix/replace?


This is the reason i didnt replace my (repaired) DJ505 with the Primo.

The chances of the Primo having the exact same build issue however... ffs.
DJ Tecniq 3:23 PM - 26 July, 2019
I’ll have to test this i haven’t even had a chance to do the firmware update but i have had zero jogwheel issues since I’ve used it the few times. My son who just turned 2 yrs old takes up a lot of my daddy time.
DJ Alibi 10:35 PM - 26 July, 2019
ok so, somebody mentioned a "trick" , once the jogwheel starts acting quirky, touch the controller, if it starts working again, that means it could be grounding issue, im hardheaded because all of my buddies at the mixars primo users group on fb try to tell me this, , but thing is, now what? maybe its my metal Crane Laptop stand? seems to work better if i move it away from there, damn i hate to get rid of that thing lol
DJ Alibi 10:40 PM - 26 July, 2019
it cant be the usb chords because i have tried all 3, and it acted really bad at a house party i was at, with or without power chord, sucks that this is an actual issue with controllers , i will experiment some more, i cant give up, i have no more money to shell out on anything else for a while, meanwhile, i am waiting on my Omni Portable Turntables (released in September per pre-order) to use as DVS, as the DVS part of it , is pretty much flawless
brianbatesd 11:03 PM - 26 July, 2019
Today I spent about 2 hours with it. Left jog wheel never had a single issue. For the right jog, I had to push down and wiggle the wheel a bit and that seemed like it woke things back up but it would drop out intermittently again. I think Soo nailed it.

I had such high hopes for this controller. Looks like I’ll be strictly mixing and blending with it until Mixars hopefully responds with a definitive solution.
DJ Alibi 11:32 AM - 27 July, 2019
This is probably the longest thread and seratos history LOL
v@l 1:14 PM - 27 July, 2019
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Today I spent about 2 hours with it. Left jog wheel never had a single issue. For the right jog, I had to push down and wiggle the wheel a bit and that seemed like it woke things back up but it would drop out intermittently again. I think Soo nailed it.

I had such high hopes for this controller. Looks like I’ll be strictly mixing and blending with it until Mixars hopefully responds with a definitive solution.
Mr. Goodkat 7:23 PM - 27 July, 2019
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This is probably the longest thread and seratos history LOL


not even close
DJ Jakey Chan 12:04 PM - 28 July, 2019
Was having real bad issues last night with my primo the right platter was completely unresponsive and the left was drifting unless I was touching the controller with a finger or the other hand then it would work so looks like a grounding issue but the controller was only plugged in by the usb to my MacBook on a large table with nothing else touching it. Most the time it works ok with random unresponsiveness from the platters. Have video examples of all 3 here -

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I have emailed all these to mixars
DJ Alibi 11:53 PM - 28 July, 2019
i wonder if one of these would help:

www.walgreens.com
DJ Alibi 11:57 PM - 28 July, 2019
i noticed if i dont have my laptop plugged in to the wall, or the controller plugged to the wall, then jogs work, but my battery last only 30 minutes on laptop, would have to plug it in again
DJ Alibi 1:32 AM - 29 July, 2019
ok so i bought the above grounding adapter from the local pharmacy store and placed it on my laptop plug, working so far!, i noticed if i take it off, the jog problems start again, put adapter back on , no problems, this house was built in the 60's, here in US, Texas, when we first bought it there were no grounds on the plugs.. only thing i need to test is both the controller and laptop plugged in, going to do this and give results asap
DJ Tecniq 1:38 AM - 29 July, 2019
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ok so i bought the above grounding adapter from the local pharmacy store and placed it on my laptop plug, working so far!, i noticed if i take it off, the jog problems start again, put adapter back on , no problems, this house was built in the 60's, here in US, Texas, when we first bought it there were no grounds on the plugs.. only thing i need to test is both the controller and laptop plugged in, going to do this and give results asap
Had a feeling it was just the power outlet...whoever built it prob did a cheap ground job. So this is apparently not a hardware problem?
DJ Jakey Chan 8:53 AM - 29 July, 2019
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ok so i bought the above grounding adapter from the local pharmacy store and placed it on my laptop plug, working so far!, i noticed if i take it off, the jog problems start again, put adapter back on , no problems, this house was built in the 60's, here in US, Texas, when we first bought it there were no grounds on the plugs.. only thing i need to test is both the controller and laptop plugged in, going to do this and give results asap


I’m in the UK all our plugs are 3 prong so are all grounded I think ? Might be wrong but don’t think there is an equivalent of those adaptors I can buy over here in the uk
Ian Williams 9:08 AM - 29 July, 2019
This sounds like it may be a USB ground loop problem.

I'd recommend DJ Techtools Chroma Cables, as I believe they are only grounded at one end, to deliberately avoid this.

store.djtechtools.com
erratic_calm 3:53 PM - 29 July, 2019
I finally got a good video of the issue as well.

Showing the left wheel working fine, then the right one dropping out, coming back and dropping out again:
Watchwww.youtube.com

Here's where the jog wheel becomes unresponsive if you don't want to watch the whole thing:
youtu.be
erratic_calm 4:32 PM - 29 July, 2019
Here's the response from Mixars. They seem confident that firmware can fix it. I left out the part where they suggested I calibrate the jog wheels, because I know we've all done that at least 1,000 times at this point.

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Thank you for your kind email and the video link.

We have forwarded it to our technical team who is already aware of the issue some users are encountering.

A new firmware will be released as soon as possible. Our engineers are already working on it as it is not related to a hardware problem but probably to the jog wheel calibration.
DJ Tecniq 5:11 PM - 29 July, 2019
So what did the firmware from before fix? Was that just for the pitch. I have not done the update yet so I’m just gonna wait. It sounds like the recent firmware update made jogwheel issues worse🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 5:16 PM - 29 July, 2019
According to the website they’ve had 3 firmware updates. 1.09, 1.12 & 1.13 and they still can’t get it right...wow!
mixars.com
IssALeXLuThOr 5:17 PM - 29 July, 2019
ok je vois qu'une solution est trouvé
merci DJ Jakey Chan & DJ Alibi
grâce a vous j'ai remarqué que si le contrôleur est branché au secteur les jogs répondent mieux
le plus drôle est que selon les chaussures que j'ai, tous répond parfaitement .
(Mixars veux que tu sois les pieds nue, pour mixer lol)
quelle dommage que la communauté de serato trouve la solution.
alors que Mixars parle encore de "mise a jour des jogs"?
Même si c'est vrai qu'ils en ont encore besoin la précision n'est pas au rendez vous.
je joint une vidéo: Watchwww.youtube.com
avez vous ce problème aussi?
:( j'avais tellement d’espérance pour ce contrôleur enfin si Mixars décide un jour de faire une chose pour réglé tous les problèmes, ont pourras s'amuser un jour avec se contrôleur!?
IssALeXLuThOr 5:29 PM - 29 July, 2019
et j'ai une question pour les utilisateurs du "primo" ?
est ce que votre crossfader coupe la voix 1 et 3 en même temps et la voix 2 et 4 en même temps?
j'ai poser la question a Serato ils ont dit que demain ils ont un primo pour tester
DJ Jakey Chan 5:55 PM - 29 July, 2019
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Here's the response from Mixars. They seem confident that firmware can fix it. I left out the part where they suggested I calibrate the jog wheels, because I know we've all done that at least 1,000 times at this point.

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Thank you for your kind email and the video link.

We have forwarded it to our technical team who is already aware of the issue some users are encountering.

A new firmware will be released as soon as possible. Our engineers are already working on it as it is not related to a hardware problem but probably to the jog wheel calibration.


Had a similar reply but i mentioned to them it wasn’t plugged in with the power supply so they have suggest I use that but I have had the issue with power supply used or not. Here’s their response to me -


Thank you for your kind email and the videos.
We have forwarded them to our technical team.
A new firmware will be released as soon as possible. Our engineers are already working on it.
In the meantiem we suggest to try to use Primo using the Power supply and not just USB.
Regarding warranty you have 2 years warranty on the product.
erratic_calm 6:33 PM - 29 July, 2019
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In the meantime we suggest to try to use Primo using the Power supply and not just USB.

Regarding warranty you have 2 years warranty on the product.


I haven't had any success using the power supply plugged in. It makes no difference on my end. I think they're just trying to be helpful.

Good to know that they have a reasonable warranty on it. I guess we just wait.
DJ Alibi 9:02 PM - 29 July, 2019
My problem was the laptop plug, my laptop is plugged into the wall it made the jog wheels act janky, I had to do hours of troubleshooting to figure out when I unplugged my laptop, it would work, the only reason I thought about going to get the grounding adapters, was because somebody with a pioneer on a four-year-old forum said that this work for them when they had grounding problems. Still shouldn't have to go through all this though. I can tell you that since I bought the adapter and put it on my laptop plug I have not had any problems, even after plugging the power back into my mixars primo, everybody keeps telling me USB is not a freaking USB!! Lol, I have tried about four different ones
DJ Tecniq 9:37 PM - 29 July, 2019
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My problem was the laptop plug, my laptop is plugged into the wall it made the jog wheels act janky, I had to do hours of troubleshooting to figure out when I unplugged my laptop, it would work, the only reason I thought about going to get the grounding adapters, was because somebody with a pioneer on a four-year-old forum said that this work for them when they had grounding problems. Still shouldn't have to go through all this though. I can tell you that since I bought the adapter and put it on my laptop plug I have not had any problems, even after plugging the power back into my mixars primo, everybody keeps telling me USB is not a freaking USB!! Lol, I have tried about four different ones
But didn’t you confirm it was a bad ground plug in your house cause you mentioned it was built in the 60’s? How does that have anything to do with your controller if it is also happening with your laptop?
dj_soo 11:48 PM - 29 July, 2019
does your laptop plug have a ground post?
DJ Alibi 2:21 AM - 30 July, 2019
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does your laptop plug have a ground post?
this is the plug for my laptop but its original, not sure if ground post is located in side box or not..

www.ebay.com
DJ Alibi 2:29 AM - 30 July, 2019
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My problem was the laptop plug, my laptop is plugged into the wall it made the jog wheels act janky, I had to do hours of troubleshooting to figure out when I unplugged my laptop, it would work, the only reason I thought about going to get the grounding adapters, was because somebody with a pioneer on a four-year-old forum said that this work for them when they had grounding problems. Still shouldn't have to go through all this though. I can tell you that since I bought the adapter and put it on my laptop plug I have not had any problems, even after plugging the power back into my mixars primo, everybody keeps telling me USB is not a freaking USB!! Lol, I have tried about four different ones
But didn’t you confirm it was a bad ground plug in your house cause you mentioned it was built in the 60’s? How does that have anything to do with your controller if it is also happening with your laptop?


good question, i probably explained it wrong, thats what i am unsure of.. all i know is , i had no problems with my jogs, after A. using laptop battery for both the controller and the laptop ONLY, B. buying those adapters from the dollar store and placing it on the plug that goes to my laptop, while controller is also plugged it. im on day 2 with extensive testing, i dont know shit about electricity and grounds or none of that, just going by my troubleshooting, lol
DJ Alibi 2:32 AM - 30 July, 2019
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In the meantime we suggest to try to use Primo using the Power supply and not just USB.

Regarding warranty you have 2 years warranty on the product.


I haven't had any success using the power supply plugged in. It makes no difference on my end. I think they're just trying to be helpful.

Good to know that they have a reasonable warranty on it. I guess we just wait.


test it out without having either one plugged in, laptop battery only for both, see how it works, this is how i figured my jog problem out, as soon as i plugged power back into my laptop, the jog wheel problem returned, when i unplugged it, it was fine.. still shouldn't have to do that though, glad there is a warranty..
DJ Alibi 2:44 AM - 30 July, 2019
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ok je vois qu'une solution est trouvé
merci DJ Jakey Chan & DJ Alibi
grâce a vous j'ai remarqué que si le contrôleur est branché au secteur les jogs répondent mieux
le plus drôle est que selon les chaussures que j'ai, tous répond parfaitement .
(Mixars veux que tu sois les pieds nue, pour mixer lol)
quelle dommage que la communauté de serato trouve la solution.
alors que Mixars parle encore de "mise a jour des jogs"?
Même si c'est vrai qu'ils en ont encore besoin la précision n'est pas au rendez vous.
je joint une vidéo: Watchwww.youtube.com
avez vous ce problème aussi?
:( j'avais tellement d’espérance pour ce contrôleur enfin si Mixars décide un jour de faire une chose pour réglé tous les problèmes, ont pourras s'amuser un jour avec se contrôleur!?


le problème dans votre vidéo peut être la calibration réelle, sur le site Web mixars, ils ont une vidéo sur la façon de calibrer avec le support et de faire défiler jusqu'à mixars primo

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Alibi 2:47 AM - 30 July, 2019
well day 2 using the plug adapters on my laptop, everything plugged in, no problems so far

www.target.com
DJ Alibi 2:48 AM - 30 July, 2019
my grounding situation may be completely different than yours though,, i havnt tested at a gig yet..
IssALeXLuThOr 2:40 PM - 30 July, 2019
DJ Alibi merci pour cette réponse mais j'ai déjà fait tous sa et le problème est encore là
pas bien grave le "baby scratch" reste bon
seul l'avance rapide qui est moins précise
IssALeXLuThOr 2:54 PM - 30 July, 2019
et pour information: après vérifications, ma maison n'est pas relier a la terre dans les prises électrique.
le problème est bien lier a la prise de terre, mais c'est le premier contrôleur qui me fait ça?
il y a bien un défaut? puisque ce n'ai pas le premier contrôleur que je branche a ces prises.
mais c'est la première fois que j'ai un problème
DJ Alibi 1:46 AM - 31 July, 2019
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et pour information: après vérifications, ma maison n'est pas relier a la terre dans les prises électrique.
le problème est bien lier a la prise de terre, mais c'est le premier contrôleur qui me fait ça?
il y a bien un défaut? puisque ce n'ai pas le premier contrôleur que je branche a ces prises.
mais c'est la première fois que j'ai un problème


Je suis dans la même situation, j’ai eu plusieurs contrôleurs avant celui-ci, et celui-ci j’ai d’abord un problème de mise à la terre, ma solution pour moi-même est en train de passer au format DVS, j’ai précommandé des platines portables (Omni, Headache Sound) et j’utiliserai ceux pour jogging puisque tout le reste semble bien fonctionner ..
IssALeXLuThOr 4:17 PM - 31 July, 2019
bonjour a tous
il y a 2 fonctions que je ne comprend pas sur le primo

1/le double appuis sur "hot cue" le bouton clignote mais aucun pad ne fonctionne?

2/en mode "hot cue" toucher bouton "parameter" de gauche puis un pad actif. la boucle est in.
le out est le bouton "parameter" droit. ce que je ne comprend pas c'est les fonctions "shift" + "parameter" gauche et droit?
si vous savez ou si vous avez le temps de regarder merci pour votre aide
DJ Tecniq 4:43 PM - 31 July, 2019
English translation 🤷🏼‍♂️
IssALeXLuThOr 6:08 PM - 31 July, 2019
ok my english is not good but:
Hello everyone
there are 2 functions that I do not understand on the primo

  1 / in "hot cue" mode, if you still press the "hot cue" mode the button flash but the pad does not work?

2 / in "hot cue" mode touch the "parameter" button on the left and then an active pad. the loop is in.
the out is the right "parameter" button.
what I do not understand is the functions "shift" + "parameter" left and right?
if you know or if you have time to look thank you for your help
I hope you'll understand
IssALeXLuThOr 6:19 PM - 31 July, 2019
for the 1 look this video 13:10
youtu.be
sorry video in french but just for 10 scd "the gost mode"
DJ Alibi 10:15 AM - 4 August, 2019
Just a recap on-the-job will grounding problem, I have spent a week testing out the mixars Primo after adding the adapter to my laptop and I have had no problem whatsoever, I think my problem has now been solved,

Maximm Polarized Grounding Adapter (4-Pack) White, 2 Prong Grounding Converter for Wall Outlets Plugs, Turn 2-Prong Outlets to 3-Prong Outlets, Easy to Install, Indoor Only, ETL Listed www.amazon.com
DJ Alibi 10:15 AM - 4 August, 2019
Last post was supposed to say jog wheel, stupid talk to text LOL
DJ Tecniq 5:03 PM - 4 August, 2019
So the issue was actually your power outlet that’s usually why you would need the adapter.
DJ Alibi 6:26 PM - 6 August, 2019
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So the issue was actually your power outlet that’s usually why you would need the adapter.
, I hope that was it, seems to have been working fine since, I'm taking the adapter with me on the go because I do House parties in my neighborhood and some of the houses are just as old LOL.
DJ Tecniq 8:02 PM - 6 August, 2019
having issues opening the firmware install from mixars website. it's a .bin file but can't seem to open it...why the fuck did mixars make this so difficult can someone plz help!
Ollieboy 8:34 PM - 6 August, 2019
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having issues opening the firmware install from mixars website. it's a .bin file but can't seem to open it...why the fuck did mixars make this so difficult can someone plz help!

I had the same issue here's the video I think they mention how to open it in here.
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Tecniq 8:41 PM - 6 August, 2019
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having issues opening the firmware install from mixars website. it's a .bin file but can't seem to open it...why the fuck did mixars make this so difficult can someone plz help!

I had the same issue here's the video I think they mention how to open it in here.
Watchwww.youtube.com
I'm good now I didn't have java and that was the video I watched however now my crossfader is bleeding when I scratch on the left side...this def wasn't occurring before. I did the 1.13 firmware update
DJ Tecniq 8:48 PM - 6 August, 2019
but sides are bleeding so I hear both sides doesn't matter which...gonna try the 1.12 firmware instead. I did the jogwheel calibration also which I prob should of avoided since I wasn't having jogwheel issues...but studio me followed the video. I have to fix this cause it's inoperable now.
DJ Tecniq 8:48 PM - 6 August, 2019
both sides*
DJ Tecniq 8:49 PM - 6 August, 2019
studio* = stupid*
DJ Jakey Chan 9:16 PM - 6 August, 2019
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having issues opening the firmware install from mixars website. it's a .bin file but can't seem to open it...why the fuck did mixars make this so difficult can someone plz help!

I had the same issue here's the video I think they mention how to open it in here.
Watchwww.youtube.com
I'm good now I didn't have java and that was the video I watched however now my crossfader is bleeding when I scratch on the left side...this def wasn't occurring before. I did the 1.13 firmware update


My fader started bleeding after a firmware update as well ( or it seemed to start after that ) but changing firmware back never got it working again and wigging it would change the bleeding a bit so it may have been a coincidence and it was just worn out as I don’t think its much good for scratching anyway. I got a mini innofader as I planned to get 1 anyway and it works fine with that installed....if only my jogs worked as well
DJ Tecniq 9:20 PM - 6 August, 2019
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having issues opening the firmware install from mixars website. it's a .bin file but can't seem to open it...why the fuck did mixars make this so difficult can someone plz help!

I had the same issue here's the video I think they mention how to open it in here.
Watchwww.youtube.com
I'm good now I didn't have java and that was the video I watched however now my crossfader is bleeding when I scratch on the left side...this def wasn't occurring before. I did the 1.13 firmware update


My fader started bleeding after a firmware update as well ( or it seemed to start after that ) but changing firmware back never got it working again and wigging it would change the bleeding a bit so it may have been a coincidence and it was just worn out as I don’t think its much good for scratching anyway. I got a mini innofader as I planned to get 1 anyway and it works fine with that installed....if only my jogs worked as well
That’s just crazy to me my Primo has never left my house and I’ve used it a total of 5 times...that’s all.
dj_soo 9:23 PM - 6 August, 2019
I don't understand how these companies have such a hard time with these controllers. It's not like this technology hasn't been around for a good while now, and midi is ancient tech.

Even pioneer - which traditionally has been pretty ok with their first run gear has been struggling as evidenced by the SX3 issues (the SR had some major problems at launch too iirc).
DJ Tecniq 9:35 PM - 6 August, 2019
So i nudged the fader on the bottom a bit and it seems to stop bleeding. I just think it was contact/static issue all seems to be fine now updated to 1.13 firmware and pitch and jogwheel indication is raw!
DJ Jakey Chan 9:38 PM - 6 August, 2019
That’s just crazy to me my Primo has never left my house and I’ve used it a total of 5 times...that’s all.

To be honest i hadn't used mine much either but when i took it out in didnt seem like it was built to last but i agree it should last longer than that, id planned on upgrading to the mini innofader anyway so wasnt to worried otherwise id of tried to get a replacement fader. I think they will replace faders within 3 months of purchase but if you email them and say youve not used it much they may send you 1 anyway
DJ Tecniq 9:59 PM - 6 August, 2019
I’ll do a short clip of me cutting on it i have to say I’m digging it more than my SR2 the pitch is rock solid and with the jogwheel indicator i can juggle and do t-table tricks i couldn’t with the SR2.
DJ Tecniq 10:02 PM - 6 August, 2019
The pitch alone on the Primo beats the SR2 cause it’s a 100mm pitch slider compared to the SR2 which you really have to nudge to get to certain measures. I don’t fiddle with the pitch as much on this Primo.
DJ Tecniq 5:25 AM - 7 August, 2019
Here's a short mix I was able to do while my sons asleep lol...it's not my best work but loving the pitch resolution so far. Hope you guys enjoy it

youtu.be
Dj Youkai 12:19 AM - 8 August, 2019
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Here's a short mix I was able to do while my sons asleep lol...it's not my best work but loving the pitch resolution so far. Hope you guys enjoy it

youtu.be

That's Dope Bro 😊
SG SOUNDS 12:31 AM - 8 August, 2019
Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
DJ Tecniq 1:07 AM - 8 August, 2019
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Here's a short mix I was able to do while my sons asleep lol...it's not my best work but loving the pitch resolution so far. Hope you guys enjoy it

youtu.be

That's Dope Bro 😊
Thanks I just used my Logitech webcam w/ Screenflow for Mac to record the audio/video. Screenflow is an awesome program it can record audio/video simultaneously or multiple sources with very little cpu. I have a MacBook Pro so i was able to do everything including Serato all at once.
DJ Tecniq 1:13 AM - 8 August, 2019
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Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
I have to admit it did have horrible pitch resolution at first when I bought it but since the firmware update and Serato 2.1.2 update it has been solid. And the soundcard sounds amazing for such an affordable deck.
SG SOUNDS 2:15 AM - 8 August, 2019
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Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
I have to admit it did have horrible pitch resolution at first when I bought it but since the firmware update and Serato 2.1.2 update it has been solid. And the soundcard sounds amazing for such an affordable deck.


Good to hear, it is small enough to fit in a backpack right?
DJ Tecniq 2:19 AM - 8 August, 2019
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Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
I have to admit it did have horrible pitch resolution at first when I bought it but since the firmware update and Serato 2.1.2 update it has been solid. And the soundcard sounds amazing for such an affordable deck.


Good to hear, it is small enough to fit in a backpack right?
Yes it should depending on which backpack you use. It’s a lot smaller than my ddjsr2.
Res-Q 1:22 PM - 8 August, 2019
the only thing missing right now for the Primo is a Decksaver so we can safely drop it in backpacks and dj bags.
If there is enough demand they will make one. Please hit them up and tell them we need a Decksaver :)
www.instagram.com
SG SOUNDS 3:25 PM - 8 August, 2019
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Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
I have to admit it did have horrible pitch resolution at first when I bought it but since the firmware update and Serato 2.1.2 update it has been solid. And the soundcard sounds amazing for such an affordable deck.


Good to hear, it is small enough to fit in a backpack right?
Yes it should depending on which backpack you use. It’s a lot smaller than my ddjsr2.


Cool
DJ Jakey Chan 3:51 PM - 8 August, 2019
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the only thing missing right now for the Primo is a Decksaver so we can safely drop it in backpacks and dj bags.
If there is enough demand they will make one. Please hit them up and tell them we need a Decksaver :)
www.instagram.com


working jog wheels are the main thing missing for me ;-)
Ollieboy 6:40 PM - 8 August, 2019
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Looking to purchase this controller very soon, didn't even know it existed..desperately needed a small serato dj controller with great sound quality that can fit in a back pack for when I travel to the Caribbean.

Been reading the reviews and its almost to good to be true, very similar to the old vestas controller
I have to admit it did have horrible pitch resolution at first when I bought it but since the firmware update and Serato 2.1.2 update it has been solid. And the soundcard sounds amazing for such an affordable deck.


Good to hear, it is small enough to fit in a backpack right?


If your looking at backpack fit. Maybe a Numark Mixtrack Platinum, Pioneer DDJ SB3, or even the smaller Herculese Starlight. These are smaller.
brianbatesd 3:13 AM - 9 August, 2019
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I hear that.
boo-lee 9:07 AM - 9 August, 2019
Regarding (flight)bags: I use this one for my Mixars Primo. Good quality, very protective and large enough to accomodate the controller, laptop stand, MacBook, headphones ...

www.udggear.com
DJ Jakey Chan 11:14 PM - 11 August, 2019
Found a new little problem that’s happened a few times to me now, when pressing a cue point on the left side while cueing it up in the headphones it’s triggered the same cue point but on the right side while playing, anyone else had this happen?
DJ Tecniq 5:02 AM - 12 August, 2019
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Found a new little problem that’s happened a few times to me now, when pressing a cue point on the left side while cueing it up in the headphones it’s triggered the same cue point but on the right side while playing, anyone else had this happen?
No check the midi panel to see if you accidentally midi mapped something. Or it was prob a used unit before you received it.
DJ Jakey Chan 8:17 AM - 12 August, 2019
Nothing’s mapped this has only has happened a couple of times out of a lot of cue button presses it’s some sort of glitch ( probably in serato ), unit definitely wasn’t used either
DJ Tecniq 8:19 AM - 12 August, 2019
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Nothing’s mapped this has only has happened a couple of times out of a lot of cue button presses it’s some sort of glitch ( probably in serato ), unit definitely wasn’t used either
which firmware are you on.
DJ Jakey Chan 8:25 AM - 12 August, 2019
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Nothing’s mapped this has only has happened a couple of times out of a lot of cue button presses it’s some sort of glitch ( probably in serato ), unit definitely wasn’t used either
which firmware are you on.


Latest, which I have only noticed this happen on. It happens very rarely so will be hard to catch on camera etc. Also latest version of serato.
DJ Tecniq 10:49 AM - 12 August, 2019
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Latest, which I have only noticed this happen on. It happens very rarely so will be hard to catch on camera etc. Also latest version of serato.
I think 2.2 is buggy I’m using 2.1.2. 2.2 and above seems buggish on diff hardware.
Robbie O 5:11 PM - 13 August, 2019
***Another competitor enters the rink***

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Youkai 5:45 PM - 13 August, 2019
Looking for the Perfect Backpack for Mixars Primo? This is what I used. The Magma Riot DJ Backpack XL 😊
m.imgur.com
DJ Tecniq 7:13 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Looking for the Perfect Backpack for Mixars Primo? This is what I used. The Magma Riot DJ Backpack XL 😊
m.imgur.com
Good choice i have the same one👍🏼
Dj Youkai 8:05 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Good choice i have the same one👍🏼

Thanks Bro.. Without your help showing it to me.. I wouldn't have bought it right away 😊
DJ Tecniq 8:17 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Good choice i have the same one👍🏼

Thanks Bro.. Without your help showing it to me.. I wouldn't have bought it right away 😊
Did you get a good deal on it? Never pay full price for gear they are wanting your business. Think i got mine for $100 off around Xmas special 4 yrs ago.
mabbs 8:23 PM - 13 August, 2019
My left jog wheel is now also unresponsive. Been working fine for the past couple of months, randomly started playing up on Saturday night 🤦‍♂️
Dj Youkai 8:24 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Did you get a good deal on it? Never pay full price for gear they are wanting your business. Think i got mine for $100 off around Xmas special 4 yrs ago.


Wow!! Lucky You.. Nah I got it all in finance.. Got 2 of the bags plus lights and stuff. It's cool though.. I'm happy with my purchase 😊
DJ Tecniq 8:27 PM - 13 August, 2019
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My left jog wheel is now also unresponsive. Been working fine for the past couple of months, randomly started playing up on Saturday night 🤦‍♂️
Did you try the jogwheel calibration?
mabbs 8:39 PM - 13 August, 2019
Yes I’ve attempted the calibration a few times. I just can’t understand why it is so difficult to find a controller that works as it should.
SG SOUNDS 8:41 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Looking for the Perfect Backpack for Mixars Primo? This is what I used. The Magma Riot DJ Backpack XL 😊
m.imgur.com


Seems like they added many needed options for a small mobile controller, i really like the MIxars Primo but will give this one a look too...will probably come down to which is smaller for travel..will compare the dimensions
SG SOUNDS 8:43 PM - 13 August, 2019
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***Another competitor enters the rink***

Watchwww.youtube.com



Seems like they added many needed options for a small mobile controller, i really like the MIxars Primo but will give this one a look too...will probably come down to which is smaller for travel..will compare the dimensions
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DJ Tecniq 9:51 PM - 13 August, 2019
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***Another competitor enters the rink***

Watchwww.youtube.com
No jogwheel indicator and it doesn’t have a full pitch slider like the Primo. The pitch resolution won’t be as fluid you’ll waste a lot of time fidgeting with the pitch...this was my main gripe about the SR2.
SG SOUNDS 9:55 PM - 13 August, 2019
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***Another competitor enters the rink***

Watchwww.youtube.com
No jogwheel indicator and it doesn’t have a full pitch slider like the Primo. The pitch resolution won’t be as fluid you’ll waste a lot of time fidgeting with the pitch...this was my main gripe about the SR2.


Yh you are sure right, plus the jog indicator is a plus on the Mixars
Robbie O 9:55 PM - 13 August, 2019
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Watchwww.youtube.com
No jogwheel indicator and it doesn’t have a full pitch slider like the Primo. The pitch resolution won’t be as fluid you’ll waste a lot of time fidgeting with the pitch...this was my main gripe about the SR2.


+1. I didn’t think this would bother me that much. But after 4, 5 times it happens and you see the serato warning light or I missed mix out point, it is annoying. I forgot I’ve return a couple controllers cause of that
DJ Tecniq 5:49 AM - 14 August, 2019
Can someone confirm which innofader will fit the Primo? Can’t seem to the Primo on the innofader website of compatible hardware. But was told and it’s been mentioned an innofader can be put in just don’t know which innofader 🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 5:49 AM - 14 August, 2019
Seem to find the*
djstefy74 6:34 AM - 14 August, 2019
Hey Tecniq,use the Mini Innofafer plus,it’s plug n play with the Primo,in the Mixars site you find the instructions
mixars.com
mabbs 11:46 AM - 14 August, 2019
Just a heads up for those having problems, I received an email from Mixars this morning to say Firmware 1.14 has just been released and should solve the jog wheel issues.
Clubber1970 12:45 PM - 14 August, 2019
Manual Calibration:
1.The 2 Jog wheels are calibrated separately. The jog wheel touch should be calibrated one by one.

2.Move the pitch fader of the side under calibration. Jog wheel sensitivity increase from minimum to maximum when moving the pitch fader from bottom to top. The jog wheel LED ring will show the current sensitivity settings.

3.Touch the jog wheel touch area to test the sensitivity. The logo at the middle of the jog will turn on when a touch is sensed.

4.Adjust the pitch slider to set a desired touch sensitivity. It is recommended to touch the jog wheel and spin the jog wheel to make sure the touch is detected properly (logo LED keeps turning on during the spin).

5.Repeat the same for the other deck.

6.When the calibration is done for both decks, press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done


Download-Link for Firmware 1.14:

www.mixars.com
DJ Tecniq 4:39 PM - 14 August, 2019
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Hey Tecniq,use the Mini Innofafer plus,it’s plug n play with the Primo,in the Mixars site you find the instructions
mixars.com
Thanks man I’ll def get this one.
Doc Brown 5:42 PM - 14 August, 2019
I gotta say, Mixars seems to be doing the right thing with these patches that address our problems. Don't see this type of response all the time.
DJ Stygma 5:45 PM - 14 August, 2019
So does the new manual calibration mean you can adjust the jog wheel’s tension?
DJ Jakey Chan 6:49 PM - 14 August, 2019
No it’s adds adjustable touch sensitivity, so you can dial up or down the jog wheels sensitivity response to your hand when you touch it
DJ Tecniq 7:51 PM - 14 August, 2019
I’m not gonna do the firmware update I’m having no issues with my jogwheel at all with 1.13 firmware so far.
mabbs 11:01 PM - 14 August, 2019
I completed the firmware upgrade which led to both jogs becoming unresponsive in vinyl mode. To fix, I have had to set the pitch sliders all the way to the top during the calibration. Any lower, and they refuse to play ball. All working fine again now though.
Dj Youkai 1:49 AM - 15 August, 2019
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I completed the firmware upgrade which led to both jogs becoming unresponsive in vinyl mode. To fix, I have had to set the pitch sliders all the way to the top during the calibration. Any lower, and they refuse to play ball. All working fine again now though.

Did the same as You.. My left Jogwheel was acting a little funny this past weekend gigs. So Far it's working ok.
erratic_calm 3:41 PM - 15 August, 2019
Awesome. The firmware finally fixed my jogs.

Note: I had to go back and forth between the new automatic and manual calibration modes a couple times before the right jog wheel started to respond in manual calibration mode. You may have to play around a bit in and out of Serato like I did, but don't give up.

1.14 Firmware:
www.mixars.com

Updated calibration instructions (see below):
www.mixars.com

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MIXARS PRIMO JOGWHEEL TOUCH SENSITIVITY CALIBRATION

1. Make sure your Primo is switched off via the power switch at the back.

2. Press and hold the buttons NOISE + FILTER, then switch on your device, using the power switch at
the back while holding the Buttons.

3. Press the left deck VINYL button to switch between auto calibration and manual calibration. The VINYL button LED will show the current calibration mode:

a. VINYL Button LED ON: Currently in auto calibration

b. VINYL Button LED OFF: Currently in manual calibration mode

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AUTO CALIBRATION:

1. The 2 Jog wheels are calibrated together.

2. Do not touch JOG WHEELS during the calibration

3. Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.

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MANUAL CALIBRATION:

1. The 2 Jog wheels are calibrated separately. The jog wheel touch should be calibrated one by one.

2. Move the pitch fader of the side under calibration. Jog wheel sensitivity increase from minimum to maximum when moving the pitch fader from bottom to top. The jog wheel LED ring will show the current sensitivity settings.

3. Touch the jog wheel touch area to test the sensitivity. The logo at the middle of the jog will turn on when a touch is sensed.

4. Adjust the pitch slider to set a desired touch sensitivity. It is recommended to touch the jog wheel and spin the jog wheel to make sure the touch is detected properly (logo LED keeps turning on during the spin).

5. Repeat the same for the other deck.

6. When the calibration is done for both decks, press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
DJ Tecniq 4:04 PM - 15 August, 2019
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Awesome. The firmware finally fixed my jogs.

Note: I had to go back and forth between the new automatic and manual calibration modes a couple times before the right jog wheel started to respond in manual calibration mode. You may have to play around a bit in and out of Serato like I did, but don't give up.

1.14 Firmware:
www.mixars.com

Updated calibration instructions (see below):
www.mixars.com

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MIXARS PRIMO JOGWHEEL TOUCH SENSITIVITY CALIBRATION

1. Make sure your Primo is switched off via the power switch at the back.

2. Press and hold the buttons NOISE + FILTER, then switch on your device, using the power switch at
the back while holding the Buttons.

3. Press the left deck VINYL button to switch between auto calibration and manual calibration. The VINYL button LED will show the current calibration mode:

a. VINYL Button LED ON: Currently in auto calibration

b. VINYL Button LED OFF: Currently in manual calibration mode

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AUTO CALIBRATION:

1. The 2 Jog wheels are calibrated together.

2. Do not touch JOG WHEELS during the calibration

3. Press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.

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MANUAL CALIBRATION:

1. The 2 Jog wheels are calibrated separately. The jog wheel touch should be calibrated one by one.

2. Move the pitch fader of the side under calibration. Jog wheel sensitivity increase from minimum to maximum when moving the pitch fader from bottom to top. The jog wheel LED ring will show the current sensitivity settings.

3. Touch the jog wheel touch area to test the sensitivity. The logo at the middle of the jog will turn on when a touch is sensed.

4. Adjust the pitch slider to set a desired touch sensitivity. It is recommended to touch the jog wheel and spin the jog wheel to make sure the touch is detected properly (logo LED keeps turning on during the spin).

5. Repeat the same for the other deck.

6. When the calibration is done for both decks, press SHIFT to save the parameter. Calibration is done.
Jesus that’s a lot of steps to do. It’s ridiculous we have to do this in the first place. My jogs have not had any issues out the box however this doesn’t mean I won’t have jog issues while at a gig but for now I’m gonna leave mine i already did jogwheel calibration after 1.13 firmware. If I have jog issues I’ll just use instant doubles. At least you are having success now 👍🏼
Dj Youkai 7:14 PM - 16 August, 2019
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Seems like they added many needed options for a small mobile controller, i really like the MIxars Primo but will give this one a look too...will probably come down to which is smaller for travel..will compare the dimensions

The Riot DJ Backpack XL Passed as a Hand Carry Bag Also 😊
Dj Youkai 7:39 PM - 16 August, 2019
Anyone Can Help Me Find a Replacement Power Adapter that they used for the Mixars Primo? Mine got Seriously Injured 😭
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DJ Tecniq 8:06 PM - 16 August, 2019
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Anyone Can Help Me Find a Replacement Power Adapter that they used for the Mixars Primo? Mine got Seriously Injured 😭
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Just read the voltage on the AC adapter and find a generic one on amazon. Would work the same
DJ Tecniq 8:08 PM - 16 August, 2019
Should take better care of your equipment how tf does that happen...
Dj Youkai 8:47 PM - 16 August, 2019
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Should take better care of your equipment how tf does that happen...

Was like exhausted this past weekend.. Put my Riot Backpack on top of my speakers and stuff. It slipped out while I was pushing the cart.. Fell down.. And the adapter that was in the front pocket got Smashed. The controller and and everything was safe.. Just the adapter. I normally carry the backpack. But I was tired. Cause I had 2 other gigs that day also. So yeah. FML 😂
erratic_calm 10:53 PM - 16 August, 2019
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Was like exhausted this past weekend ... So yeah. FML 😂


Don't feel bad. I've broke tons of expensive equipment this way. It happens.
DJ Jakey Chan 11:15 AM - 18 August, 2019
Manually calibrated jog wheels and they worked fine when testing at home. I played out using it last night and straight away had drift on both platters so were both unusable for the night. This was happening with laptop power plugged in and unplugged
DJ Jakey Chan 4:13 PM - 18 August, 2019
Tested at home today and again seems to be working fine. All I can think is something must interfere with it but all these problems are happening at different venues and are always at different levels varying from occasional drift to constant drift to intermittently unresponsive to touch and I have also had problems at home with it before but it now seems to work fine at home, very strange just wish the controller I paid good money for would actually work properly
DJ Tecniq 4:17 PM - 18 August, 2019
That’s really odd esp when you mentioned it happens with just usb power? You may have a defective one. How is it drifting when the jogwheel doesn’t spin? Which version of Serato are you using?
DJ Jakey Chan 4:41 PM - 18 August, 2019
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That’s really odd esp when you mentioned it happens with just usb power? You may have a defective one. How is it drifting when the jogwheel doesn’t spin? Which version of Serato are you using?



Others have shared videos on you tube of the drifting problem. If I stop it on a point of the track and baby scratch it ( or any scratch ) the point I’m scratching it on drifts out in serato without me taking my hand off. I’m using serato DJ pro 2.1.2 I see there is 2.2.2 out now which I’ll try but mentions nothing about bugs or this controller. But like I say testing back at home now and it’s working fine, no drift when scratching both jogs responsive and I used it out the other night at a different venue and was working fine for 2 hours
DJ Tecniq 4:57 PM - 18 August, 2019
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That’s really odd esp when you mentioned it happens with just usb power? You may have a defective one. How is it drifting when the jogwheel doesn’t spin? Which version of Serato are you using?



Others have shared videos on you tube of the drifting problem. If I stop it on a point of the track and baby scratch it ( or any scratch ) the point I’m scratching it on drifts out in serato without me taking my hand off. I’m using serato DJ pro 2.1.2 I see there is 2.2.2 out now which I’ll try but mentions nothing about bugs or this controller. But like I say testing back at home now and it’s working fine, no drift when scratching both jogs responsive and I used it out the other night at a different venue and was working fine for 2 hours
Were you using a power strip at this venue or were you plugged directly into the wall outlet? I haven’t played out with mine yet except at home but have had no jog issues. Think next week I’ll play out with it just don’t have a case for it yet.
DJ Jakey Chan 5:02 PM - 18 August, 2019
i was plugged into a power strip last night but last week i was also using a power strip at a different venue and it was working and i also use a power strip at home where it is also working fine at the mo. Let me know how you get on when you play out. Im just getting frustrated because sometimes it works fine and then just seems to randomly start playing up its hard to put any trust in it when using the jogs and feels like ive kind of thrown my money away at the mo
DJ Tecniq 5:35 PM - 18 August, 2019
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i was plugged into a power strip last night but last week i was also using a power strip at a different venue and it was working and i also use a power strip at home where it is also working fine at the mo. Let me know how you get on when you play out. Im just getting frustrated because sometimes it works fine and then just seems to randomly start playing up its hard to put any trust in it when using the jogs and feels like ive kind of thrown my money away at the mo
Pc or Mac? Is the power adapter for your computer 2 prong or 3 prong?
DJ Jakey Chan 5:51 PM - 18 August, 2019
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i was plugged into a power strip last night but last week i was also using a power strip at a different venue and it was working and i also use a power strip at home where it is also working fine at the mo. Let me know how you get on when you play out. Im just getting frustrated because sometimes it works fine and then just seems to randomly start playing up its hard to put any trust in it when using the jogs and feels like ive kind of thrown my money away at the mo
Pc or Mac? Is the power adapter for your computer 2 prong or 3 prong?


Mac and I’m in the UK all our plugs are 3 prong as standard
Sean Aquino 9:44 AM - 6 September, 2019
Hello,

I recently purchased the Mixars Primo and out the box I am having issues on the left jogwheel. It is not responsive when I touch it and it is disrupting my experience. I tried to recalibrate the jogs and had no luck. I did notice I am on Firmware Version 1.18 which is newer than the Firmware available for download on the website. I am running Windows and Serato 2.2. I tried using Serato 2.1.2 as well and this did not fix the issue. I do not know whether this is a hardware or firmware issue. Is there anything I can do to revert firmware to 1.14 and see if that resolves the issue?

Also any idea why in Serato when I plug Primo into my Windows 10 PC I am unable to change pitch and it is showing Serato is running in INTERNAL mode. I can use cues and effects but cannot change pitch unless i do it with the digital slider on Serato. This does not happen on my Windows 7 PC or when I plug in other controllers. Is Serato on Win 10 perhaps seeing the Primo as a DVS Device? How do I disable that?
Sean Aquino 10:10 AM - 6 September, 2019
Just got response from Mixars. I did not know I had to Power on Unit with the Noise and Filter Buttons pressed to push the firmware. I am such a dunce. 1.18 is actually the boot mode firmware. Cant wait to try when I get home

Ciao Sean

Thanks for contacting us and purchasing Primo.
Please make sure to follow the update instructions and put Primo in update mode.
When showing 1.18 it is just a boot loader firmware and means that Primo is not in update mode.
The most recent version is 1.14
Update instructions can be found in the manual, also available on our website.
You just have to hold the 2 pfl buttons while turning the unit on in order to activate the update mode.
After the FW update please perform the jog wheel calibration: mixars.com

We hope this helps and remain at your disposal.

Best!

Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
Sean Aquino 11:01 AM - 6 September, 2019
Ah I read it wrong it is actually the 2 headphone cue buttons!! I am embarassed.
Tricky Gnosis 4:38 AM - 9 September, 2019
Woah the price is down to $499 retail! One seller on ebay mentioned that there is a $150 instant rebate in effect until 10/31.
DJ Tecniq 5:34 AM - 9 September, 2019
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Nice! I only paid $489 when i preordered. You can prob get it much cheaper now most online retailers will hook you up if you ask what’s the best deal you can get on it.
Mr. Goodkat 8:51 PM - 9 September, 2019
so is it a a universal issue with the platters or just some have problems?
dj_soo 9:12 PM - 9 September, 2019
Believe the firmware update fixed the platter problems.
v@l 11:58 PM - 9 September, 2019
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Yes zero issue's with the primo
Djkom 11:18 PM - 8 October, 2019
Just got the Primo (firmware 1.14) ... this thing is LOUD as hell 😍😍😍
Can't believe how powerful is the sound even in usb powered mode only (BTW I still don't see the difference when usb powered only vs powered with the adapter).
It blows hands down all other 2ch controllers

I finally found a successor for my VCI 380 !!!

Just 2 things the make it perfect:
- Jogwheels feel great in my hands but is there a way to make them more "loose" ??? I find them quite heavy and even backspins are very limited
- I love how smooth is the crossfader but is there a way the adjust the cut-in distance mechanical by putting rubbers/bumpers or something else (I know I can put an innofader or galileo but if I would like to save money) ???
DJ Tecniq 1:46 AM - 9 October, 2019
I agree it sounds great but almost too loud I had to turn my QSC system down a lot. As far as I know there’s no way to loosen the jog wheels as for the crossfader you’ll need an Innofader which is just $100. Overall yes it sounds incredible compared to Pioneer. The Primo is on sale everywhere now.
dj_soo 3:35 AM - 9 October, 2019
I'm seeing $499 everywhere, but I keep hearing about $450 primos.

It's looking like they simply don't have proper distribution in Canada so I may just have to import and hope I don't get dinged heavily by customs.
577er 4:12 AM - 9 October, 2019
Proaudiostar had em for $450
577er 4:12 AM - 9 October, 2019
new.
PFFABG 1:48 PM - 9 October, 2019
I’m thinking about picking up one of these as it’s so much lighter than the DDJ 1000SRT, has XLR outputs, and I rarely find myself using more than 2 channels at a time anyway. Then I could use the SRT at home to record mixes and the Primo for playing out.

Problem is, there seems to be nowhere in the UK that has one in a showroom to try before you buy. Almost £500 is a lot of money to take a gamble on 🤔
dj_soo 5:45 PM - 9 October, 2019
I trust most of the DJs on this forum more than official reviews and the reviews on this thread have been pretty positive - especially after the latest firmware update.

Unfortunately I have a few expenses I need to take care of so this will have to wait, but it's next on my list at this point.
David Horder 6:16 PM - 11 October, 2019
Primo Uk power adapter? - Just picked up my Primo from Westend DJ - It has a european 2 pin plug with a special UK 3 pin adaptor to fit on it. Not overly concerned but just wondered if other Primo owners have the same adaptor or there is a proper 3 pin UK one?

Cheers
mabbs 6:23 PM - 11 October, 2019
Same here David, just get an adapter. You can also buy suitable replacement AC plugs I’m sure.
David Horder 6:31 PM - 11 October, 2019
Thanks Mabbs much appreciated - normally only get those little 3 pin adaptors when I order kit from BAX :) :)! - cheers
Djkom 10:50 PM - 11 October, 2019
The power adapter is 5V/2A...so if you using a PC or MAC with USB C I guess you don't need (USB C can provide 5V/2A) that's why I don't see any difference with or without the power adapter.

Anyway, in Aliexpress/Alibaba there is plenty of 5V/2A power supply for less than 3$ like this:
s.click.aliexpress.com

Or even usb power cable like this:
s.click.aliexpress.com
David Horder 10:57 AM - 12 October, 2019
Thanks - just tested the primo and sound quality excellent. The pitch sliders though arnt working.

Looking at this thread it seems I need to update the firmware. to 1.14. I have just downloaded the software on the mac but it doesn't like JAR files. Doesn't anyone know if you can update on a mac or does it have to be a windows platform. Also assume the pitch sliders are just a firmware issue?

cheers
mabbs 11:06 AM - 12 October, 2019
Watchm.youtube.com

This video will guide you through the process
David Horder 12:22 PM - 12 October, 2019
Thanks Mabbs. Upgraded to V1.14 and pitch sliders now work but the jog wheels are now virtually unresponsive. They work but more they track really slowly. Looking at the thread there's lots of references to this. I reversed out 1.14 and put in 1.13 and not the platters work fine. That has to be a software glitch surely rather than hardware.

Anyone else found with 1.14 the platters start playing up. seems ok now with 1.13 although the left is slightly less responsive than the right but marginally?

cheers
mabbs 1:21 PM - 12 October, 2019
1.14 is a little different. The jog wheels can be manually calibrated using the pitch sliders to adjust the sensitivity. It’s what I had to do to get everything working correctly. I set them to maximum sensitivity.

Here’s the guide www.mixars.com
Serge86 3:14 PM - 12 October, 2019
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This was a very ambitious sdj controller to take the mid range market. Had all the standard whistles and bells. Since pioneer ducked out of the game to focus on their own software. This was definitely a controller i myself was looking forward to to replace my sx 2 with. In a sense it is pretty much the same thing. Just smaller. Cheaper and the mic input and effects were a seller for me.

Have not actually seen a workinh model of this no where on the web. Hmmmmm. Interesting. Been over a year now sinced it was announced


Completely agree!!! Instead of Pioneer production, I have found something interesting on amplifierexpertsdotcom instead.. Hopefully, I won't regret going for Mixars, lol
DJ Tecniq 4:03 PM - 12 October, 2019
Fyi the mic input on the Primo sounds so much cleaner than my SR2. I set the tone level at 12 o clock and the mic just sounds great. Pioneer has really shitty mic preamp like a fucking tin can like I can’t believe how shit It actually is. I used to think Pioneer was the standard but when you compare their sound with other controllers it’s just a big difference...this shouldn’t be the case but you spend more money on their brand while they use cheap parts.
Djkom 8:43 PM - 12 October, 2019
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Fyi the mic input on the Primo sounds so much cleaner than my SR2. I set the tone level at 12 o clock and the mic just sounds great. Pioneer has really shitty mic preamp like a fucking tin can like I can’t believe how shit It actually is. I used to think Pioneer was the standard but when you compare their sound with other controllers it’s just a big difference...this shouldn’t be the case but you spend more money on their brand while they use cheap parts.


This !
The mic preamp on the SR2 was so shitty I sold it real quick !
David Horder 8:00 AM - 13 October, 2019
So adding my thoughts to the pioneer debate. Yesterday I got my replacement SR2 and a Mixars primo as back up

1) SR2 - out of the box & 2 mins testing - all worked. I did a 6 hour gig last night no problems

2) Mixars primo - out of the box - Fantastic sound, features and very loud and then this:
- Pitch sliders don't work - so upgrade firmware after 25 mins of searching google and then getting advice to a youtube link on this forum
- Firmware upgraded to 1.14 and then pitch sliders work but jog wheels stop functioning
- Firmware reverse out to a 1.13 - Right jog wheel works but left wheel intermittent stop start

I returned the Primo to Westend DJ and got a replacement - I checked the box and its missing a uk 3pin adaptor!!

In summary - Pioneer sound aint the best but the facts (for my own experience) are it simply works and hasn't let me down. Re the primo how on earth do they release a DJ controller when one of the fundamental hardware features you need - the pitch control - doesn't even work with out a firmware upgrade!

I will try my replacement Primo today but if after a couple of hours of messing with the firmware i still get the same problems I'm getting a refund and going for another sr2 - I don't have time to waste on something that should have been tested before release. The sound might not be the best best on the SR2 but you are paying for Quality control imo and when you're a mobile DJ you need reliability.
mabbs 8:15 AM - 13 October, 2019
I agree to an extent David. I have used a multitude of controllers and none have been without their issues. It’s unacceptable to be dropping £500+ and not getting something that just works out of the box.

I’ve come to the conclusion that any DJ controller is going to require a certain amount of tinkering and maintenance. Other than the initial teething problems, the Primo has been extremely reliable. I work most weekends, sometimes Friday and Sat, and have been using the Primo for a good few months now without issue.
David Horder 8:19 AM - 13 October, 2019
That's good to hear Mabbs.. I really want to use the Primo. The sound card is light years better than the sr2 plus the features for the money are superb. I'll stick with it but if Mixars want to get a foot hold in that £500 price point they need to get on top of quality control
mabbs 8:28 AM - 13 October, 2019
If you manually calibrate the jogs wheels with 1.14, it should resolve your issues unless you have a faulty unit. Good luck, I know how frustrating it can be!
David Horder 2:12 PM - 13 October, 2019
I took a different approach with the new Primo..installed the firmware in numeric order. I stopped at v.1.12 and both jog wheels and pitch sliders all work fine now. I'm gonna keep it here for now as the unit is working perfectly and I don't want to chance fate.
Mm3 8:40 PM - 14 October, 2019
Got my primo last week. Seems to be running ok after doing firmware updates. Really liking this thing....

I returned the original unit i got. I noticed that the right filter knob was always hot (activated) while in 12 o'clock position when one of the four effects are selected. it is more pronounced when the echo was selected. I just assumed it was a faulty unit so i sent it back for replacement... got the replacement and it is behaving the same way.

Anyone experiencing this issue or did i get another defective unit? Am starting to think this is a software/midi glitch.... honestly not a deal breaker for me. I dont think i will be using those effects anyways (other than the actual filter effect), but its just an annoyance...

If i could, id rather midi assign those for buttons to sampler for drops, etc. but dont think its possible.
Mm3 8:41 PM - 14 October, 2019
*four buttons
NukeBox 9:19 PM - 14 October, 2019
About firmware: mixars somehow won't acknowledge this on their site, but you SHOUDN'T upgrade to 1.14 out of the box, it WILL f-up your jogs. I got unit with 1.12 preinstalled, then updated to 1.14 and jogwheels became unusable. Then after remebering good old windows xp and crazy drivers days, i've installed 1.13 firmware and (this is important), calibrated jogs. Then i got curious and installed 1.14, and viola- got my working jogs. Then i wanted to get little bit more sensivity, and entered manual calibration mode, i've noticed that right jog logo was flashing when in manual mode, so i just add some sensivity, and again switched to auto. Whaddya think- that worked. My guess that 1.14 is heavily reliant on 1.13 jog calibration data, and manual config mode is still kinda experimental stuff.
About filter knob- on my unit they do not activate at 12OK in filter mode, however echo, crush, and noise all get activated in 12OK. But i kinda cool with that, actually i think that's the point.
NukeBox 9:26 PM - 14 October, 2019
Dammit... Sorry for typos. Shouldn't type on the run)
David Horder 7:50 AM - 15 October, 2019
Re the above that's exactly what happened to me on the 1st primo - if you install the firmware out of sequence then jog wheels start playing up (whilst fixing pitch faders) - my 2nd unit works fine but I stopped at 1.12. As far as I can see there's little benefit in risking 1.13 or 1.14 for jog wheel calibration unless i'm missing something important?

Whats also clear is that we are all experiencing the same teething issues but this thread is working through them nicely thankfully. Ill check out the Filters later
NukeBox 8:25 AM - 15 October, 2019
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Re the above that's exactly what happened to me on the 1st primo - if you install the firmware out of sequence then jog wheels start playing up (whilst fixing pitch faders) - my 2nd unit works fine but I stopped at 1.12. As far as I can see there's little benefit in risking 1.13 or 1.14 for jog wheel calibration unless i'm missing something important?

Whats also clear is that we are all experiencing the same teething issues but this thread is working through them nicely thankfully. Ill check out the Filters later


1.14 gets you nice manual sensitivity change, that works even after you calibrate in auto mode, but apart from that- nope.
577er 4:09 PM - 15 October, 2019
I caved and picked up one when they went on sale even though I swore I wouldn’t mess with a product that had such an epic false start but $450 was too good to pass up.

Out of the box the jogs had no vinyl mode response at all. Going to 1.14 had no effect. I had to go down to 1.13 then everything worked as it should. The folks at Mixars were responseive to my emails but didn’t know about having to downgrade to get the jogs working!

Other than that initial confusion this thing is great.

The pitch faders are amazing. Most like a CDJ / TT i’ve felt on a controller.

Sound is great, build quality is much better than Pioneer controllers.

The built in effects however are not amazing. Hoping a software update can get the echo to work more like a serato fx or pioneer echo. Something longer. They are post fader which is obviously essential.

The platters are also kinda stiff so backspins have to be done by hand rather than just flicking the platter backwards. The channel faders are also stiffer than I would like but feel very durable.

Hope to test the standalone vinyl preamps and mixer functionality soon.

Over all very happy with this controller.
DJ Tecniq 4:42 PM - 15 October, 2019
I updated from the first firmware update on their website then just when from one version to the latest. I did the calibration also but my jogwheels just seemed to work fine right out the box the only issue was the pitch. Can someone post the video tutorial on midi mapping the filter to a mode wide filter Serato fx. I saw it earlier but can’t find it anywhere 🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 4:43 PM - 15 October, 2019
More* wide
NukeBox 1:05 AM - 16 October, 2019
Can somebody please tell me whats so wrong with jog on this video? I am not so much into scratch but still... Curious. Watchwww.youtube.com
Mm3 2:04 AM - 16 October, 2019
I believe/think he’s trying to show how the led marker is not staying or on point with his finger location.
DJ Tecniq 6:54 AM - 16 October, 2019
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I believe/think he’s trying to show how the led marker is not staying or on point with his finger location.
It’s not suppose to but even then he can just hit a cue point to get back to 12 o clock position. It is the same track marker on the software. The guy in the video just doesn’t know how to use a jogwheel🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 6:59 AM - 16 October, 2019
Also he first starts spinning the jogwheel with two fingers which obviously will have more weight then takes off one finger and the playhead marker moves. I have had no issues with my jogwheels or the playhead but i use cue points to juggle...the guy in the video is just spinning it round & round who really does that...no issues on my end
youtu.be
Ian Williams 8:33 AM - 16 October, 2019
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The built in effects however are not amazing. Hoping a software update can get the echo to work more like a serato fx or pioneer echo. Something longer. They are post fader which is obviously essential.


Yeah, they're not great.
I've given up on the on-board fx & mapped the control to Serato's filter.
Djkom 8:51 AM - 16 October, 2019
We all agree the Mixars Primo has a huge potential but fails at some points.
The one year delay after the namm announcement, the number of successive firmware updates in such a short time, the current issues ...are not really healthy signs.
I don't know who to blame, Mixars or Serato ?
On Mixars side, it's their first ever controller so they are not mature ...but they have a great sounding experience thanks to their parent company RCF.
On Serato side, they have delayed Primo launching (probably because of the issues) but finally support it knowing they are still issues. Serato knows how a good controller is supposed to made and used.
Why the hell they haven't collaborate properly each other before, and included some beta testers then lot of issues could have been discovered and fixed before !!!
NukeBox 10:34 AM - 16 October, 2019
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Also he first starts spinning the jogwheel with two fingers which obviously will have more weight then takes off one finger and the playhead marker moves. I have had no issues with my jogwheels or the playhead but i use cue points to juggle...the guy in the video is just spinning it round & round who really does that...no issues on my end
youtu.be

Heh. Should check that one out. I did baby scratches and backspins, and it behaved virually same as any controllers. Did not check finger thingy though.
NukeBox 12:20 PM - 16 October, 2019
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We all agree the Mixars Primo has a huge potential but fails at some points.
The one year delay after the namm announcement, the number of successive firmware updates in such a short time, the current issues ...are not really healthy signs.
I don't know who to blame, Mixars or Serato ?
On Mixars side, it's their first ever controller so they are not mature ...but they have a great sounding experience thanks to their parent company RCF.
On Serato side, they have delayed Primo launching (probably because of the issues) but finally support it knowing they are still issues. Serato knows how a good controller is supposed to made and used.
Why the hell they haven't collaborate properly each other before, and included some beta testers then lot of issues could have been discovered and fixed before !!!


What issues exactly? Aside from occasional grounding trouble, and "do not get latest firmware off the boat"? Sure thing they've could test it longer, but then i think it would've been obsolete at time of the release. I dare you to name current controller with long pitch faders, aux input, needle indicator, good sound, and at 405€ price point. Pioneer ddj 800 comes with all that, but did ya seen that friggin' price tag? Roland 707m is another option, but 1000 usd is 1000 usd. About bugs... Denon still apparently didn't fixed MC4000 random behaviour on Serato, and how long ago that one was released? I'm not trying to be fanboy, but they finally gave us something worthwhile for reasonable price, sure not flawless on launch, but they at least fixing lt. I say it's worth to put some faith and effort. That, and highs on pioneer make my ears bleed, i almost have no choice)
v@l 12:28 PM - 16 October, 2019
So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided
Djkom 12:57 PM - 16 October, 2019
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What issues exactly? Aside from occasional grounding trouble, and "do not get latest firmware off the boat"? Sure thing they've could test it longer, but then i think it would've been obsolete at time of the release. I dare you to name current controller with long pitch faders, aux input, needle indicator, good sound, and at 405€ price point. Pioneer ddj 800 comes with all that, but did ya seen that friggin' price tag? Roland 707m is another option, but 1000 usd is 1000 usd. About bugs... Denon still apparently didn't fixed MC4000 random behaviour on Serato, and how long ago that one was released? I'm not trying to be fanboy, but they finally gave us something worthwhile for reasonable price, sure not flawless on launch, but they at least fixing lt. I say it's worth to put some faith and effort. That, and highs on pioneer make my ears bleed, i almost have no choice)


Just read the forum to know what kind of issues some users encounter.
I have no issues with mine, it's currently my prefer 2ch controller !
I have only some little complains about the jogwheel resistance and the cut-in distance of the crossfader.
Djkom 1:03 PM - 16 October, 2019
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So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided


Nice !!! I had also opened my Primo but didn't see where I can adjust jog resistance.
Can you tell me what lube you've used and where exactly have you introduce it ? Any sticker drifts since then ??
NukeBox 1:10 PM - 16 October, 2019
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Just read the forum to know what kind of issues some users encounter.
I have no issues with mine, it's currently my prefer 2ch controller !
I have only some little complains about the jogwheel resistance and the cut-in distance of the crossfader.


Ehm... I read the forum, and it really is a) jogs grounding issues b)jogs/pitch/ etc. firmware issues. Kinda that's it.
NukeBox 1:12 PM - 16 October, 2019
I think crossfader is done like that on purpose, cuz, ya know, mixars got their own separate packaged one.
NukeBox 1:15 PM - 16 October, 2019
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So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided


Damn, you should've recorded vid. Wouldcve been absolute gold.
v@l 1:45 PM - 16 October, 2019
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So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided


Nice !!! I had also opened my Primo but didn't see where I can adjust jog resistance.
Can you tell me what lube you've used and where exactly have you introduce it ? Any sticker drifts since then ??

Ill send pictures when i get home from work..
v@l 1:48 PM - 16 October, 2019
I use contact cleaner & lube servisol or deoxit would be good once all i need to sortout is my xfader lag then the primo i spot on for me..
dj_soo 6:34 PM - 16 October, 2019
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the number of successive firmware updates in such a short time


This is actually a good sign - shows the company is committed to fixing issues as soon as they can rather than sitting on their hands.

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On Serato side, they have delayed Primo launching (probably because of the issues) but finally support it knowing they are still issues. Serato knows how a good controller is supposed to made and used.


Where do you get this idea that Serato has any say on the release of the hardware - let alone delaying it by a year? Sounds more like Mixars just announced way too early.
NukeBox 7:30 PM - 16 October, 2019
I've encountered rather strange bug- when starting serato either with primo powered off or on left keylock button is not lit, despite being activated in software. Pressing that to turn off and on again makes backlight behave normal. Does someone else have it behaving that way? Running serato 2.2.3
NukeBox 7:40 PM - 16 October, 2019
Funny enough- when trying to allow serato hardware midi remapping- same button light go off and other blinks for a sec. Serato says that it failed to load midi xml.
Serato, Support
Mike.C 9:53 PM - 16 October, 2019
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I've encountered rather strange bug- when starting serato either with primo powered off or on left keylock button is not lit, despite being activated in software. Pressing that to turn off and on again makes backlight behave normal. Does someone else have it behaving that way? Running serato 2.2.3


Hey NukeBox, thanks for reporting this, I can reproduce both of those issues here at HQ so I have logged a bug for it.

I couldn't say if this will require a software or firmware fix so we'll have to wait for it to be investigated before we could provide any timeline for the issue to be fixed.
IssALeXLuThOr 11:23 AM - 17 October, 2019
salut j'ai un problème avec le jog de droite il s’arrête tous seul, enfin plutôt dés que j'envoie le jog en arrière
Watchwww.youtube.com
problème matérielle ?
metroplex2005 11:46 AM - 17 October, 2019
serato.com
Djkom 11:56 AM - 17 October, 2019
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salut j'ai un problème avec le jog de droite il s’arrête tous seul, enfin plutôt dés que j'envoie le jog en arrière
Watchwww.youtube.com
problème matérielle ?


Translation:
He has an issue with the right jog which stops randomly after he's touching it or more likely when he's making backspins.

IMO, it's typically a jog calibration issue.

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Which firmware version is installed in your Primo?
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Quelle version du firmware as tu installée sur ton Primo?
David Horder 11:58 AM - 17 October, 2019
That's the issue I had when jumping to v1.14 from 1.09. Sorted once I reinstalled the firm ware in numerical order.
NukeBox 6:25 PM - 17 October, 2019
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I've encountered rather strange bug- when starting serato either with primo powered off or on left keylock button is not lit, despite being activated in software. Pressing that to turn off and on again makes backlight behave normal. Does someone else have it behaving that way? Running serato 2.2.3


Hey NukeBox, thanks for reporting this, I can reproduce both of those issues here at HQ so I have logged a bug for it.

I couldn't say if this will require a software or firmware fix so we'll have to wait for it to be investigated before we could provide any timeline for the issue to be fixed.


No problem. Glad that you're working to make our experience flawless) My guess it's mapping problem, hence why i was trying to edit it.
NukeBox 6:30 PM - 17 October, 2019
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salut j'ai un problème avec le jog de droite il s’arrête tous seul, enfin plutôt dés que j'envoie le jog en arrière
Watchwww.youtube.com
problème matérielle ?


Yup. Exact same issue that i encountered. Install 1.13 firmware, calibrate jogwheels, and only then install 1.14
IssALeXLuThOr 10:21 PM - 17 October, 2019
@Djkom 13h56 my version is 1.14
but I will all reinstall in order this weekend
thank you all
DJ Tecniq 4:33 AM - 18 October, 2019
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@Djkom 13h56 my version is 1.14
but I will all reinstall in order this weekend
thank you all
I also recommend installing firmware in order. What’s great is you can downgrade firmware if you’re not happy.
IssALeXLuThOr 5:07 AM - 18 October, 2019
Ok thank you @DJ Tecniq
PFFABG 8:19 AM - 18 October, 2019
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@Djkom 13h56 my version is 1.14
but I will all reinstall in order this weekend
thank you all
I also recommend installing firmware in order. What’s great is you can downgrade firmware if you’re not happy.


I wish more controllers allowed you to downgrade the firmware
Djkom 10:23 AM - 23 October, 2019
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So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided
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Still no issues with your lubed jogs ?
v@l 9:26 PM - 23 October, 2019
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So i took the back off my mixars primo controller to take a look inside to see if i could loosen the jogs for spin backs scratching what i noticed was all faders can be replaced nothing solder'd in which is a big plus in my eyes also added lube to the platter spindle now the jogs spin more freely now i can do good spin backs with little effort also platter still has good weight no warranty sticker so that wasn't voided
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Still no issues with your lubed jogs ?

All gd feels much better and can perform proper spinbacks
Ollieboy 2:47 AM - 25 October, 2019
I'm done with this controller. At an event right now and the L jog wheel takes a dump. Gonna have to see where the issue is. The manger is the one who plugged in my main extension cord so I'll check if the multiple is grounded, but still. Thank God for instant doubles.
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:43 AM - 25 October, 2019
I have an odd issue as well. Played a gig and my filter knob on the right just wouldn’t work at all. The filter button was lit. No problem with the left knob filter🤷🏼‍♂️
David Horder 8:21 AM - 25 October, 2019
Out if interest does anyone experiencing these issues run the primo on usb power or wall socket? Just wondering if the grounding issues are caused by how you power the unit? In the UK they don't supply a dedicated uk 3pin power supply so you have a euro 2 pin power supply with a uk clip on plug. As such I just usb power it and so far no issues. I'm also still on firmware 1.12 as that seems to work everything ok and I'm not chancing any upgrades.
NukeBox 3:47 PM - 25 October, 2019
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I'm done with this controller. At an event right now and the L jog wheel takes a dump. Gonna have to see where the issue is. The manger is the one who plugged in my main extension cord so I'll check if the multiple is grounded, but still. Thank God for instant doubles.
youtu.be


Did you found what caused issues?

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I have an odd issue as well. Played a gig and my filter knob on the right just wouldn’t work at all. The filter button was lit. No problem with the left knob filter🤷🏼‍♂️


Problem still remained after your gig? I noticed that when choosing crush, echo,etc at 12 o'clock effect applies to the track. Hovewer if you move knob and then return it to 12 OK then all will be silent. I really think there is need for 1.15 FW
Ollieboy 6:38 PM - 25 October, 2019
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I'm done with this controller. At an event right now and the L jog wheel takes a dump. Gonna have to see where the issue is. The manger is the one who plugged in my main extension cord so I'll check if the multiple is grounded, but still. Thank God for instant doubles.
youtu.be


Did you found what caused issues?

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I have an odd issue as well. Played a gig and my filter knob on the right just wouldn’t work at all. The filter button was lit. No problem with the left knob filter🤷🏼‍♂️


Problem still remained after your gig? I noticed that when choosing crush, echo,etc at 12 o'clock effect applies to the track. Hovewer if you move knob and then return it to 12 OK then all will be silent. I really think there is need for 1.15 FW


I didn't find out. I would've had to go back behind the bar and unplug the multiple that had other things plugged. The filter knob thing is kinda like having to reset it when you turn it off and turn it back on, it's weird and i agree they need to update the firmware. This unit has potential but these little basic bugs mess up it all up.
NukeBox 10:20 PM - 25 October, 2019
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I'm done with this controller. At an event right now and the L jog wheel takes a dump. Gonna have to see where the issue is. The manger is the one who plugged in my main extension cord so I'll check if the multiple is grounded, but still. Thank God for instant doubles.
youtu.be


Did you found what caused issues?

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I have an odd issue as well. Played a gig and my filter knob on the right just wouldn’t work at all. The filter button was lit. No problem with the left knob filter🤷🏼‍♂️


Problem still remained after your gig? I noticed that when choosing crush, echo,etc at 12 o'clock effect applies to the track. Hovewer if you move knob and then return it to 12 OK then all will be silent. I really think there is need for 1.15 FW


I didn't find out. I would've had to go back behind the bar and unplug the multiple that had other things plugged. The filter knob thing is kinda like having to reset it when you turn it off and turn it back on, it's weird and i agree they need to update the firmware. This unit has potential but these little basic bugs mess up it all up.


Did you test controller after the gig? Jog behaved normally? Without recalibration and such?
Ollieboy 9:34 AM - 26 October, 2019
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I'm done with this controller. At an event right now and the L jog wheel takes a dump. Gonna have to see where the issue is. The manger is the one who plugged in my main extension cord so I'll check if the multiple is grounded, but still. Thank God for instant doubles.
youtu.be


Did you found what caused issues?

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I have an odd issue as well. Played a gig and my filter knob on the right just wouldn’t work at all. The filter button was lit. No problem with the left knob filter🤷🏼‍♂️


Problem still remained after your gig? I noticed that when choosing crush, echo,etc at 12 o'clock effect applies to the track. Hovewer if you move knob and then return it to 12 OK then all will be silent. I really think there is need for 1.15 FW


I didn't find out. I would've had to go back behind the bar and unplug the multiple that had other things plugged. The filter knob thing is kinda like having to reset it when you turn it off and turn it back on, it's weird and i agree they need to update the firmware. This unit has potential but these little basic bugs mess up it all up.


Did you test controller after the gig? Jog behaved normally? Without recalibration and such?

Didn't get to test it out after been busy today. In any case, even if it does work now I don't have a peace of mind gigging with it. Dependablity is out the door till they do some kind of FW update and I get to test it out.
NukeBox 12:19 PM - 26 October, 2019

Didn't get to test it out after been busy today. In any case, even if it does work now I don't have a peace of mind gigging with it. Dependablity is out the door till they do some kind of FW update and I get to test it out.

Please test it when you'll get some time. I got some wild guesses, but i need to know is it groundnig or fw issue.
DJ Tecniq 6:07 AM - 27 October, 2019
Ran into another weird issue. Right decks cue button restarted the left side that was playing. I didn’t even instant double was two totally diff songs but I hit the first cue on right pad but it started the song over from left deck that was playing out live...fucking weird and never happened again🤷🏼‍♂️
David Horder 8:57 AM - 27 October, 2019
Just tested my headphones and there is static feedback coming though the phones. I think its linked to the jog wheels as it's a rotating sound. Either way I'm binning off this peice of junk now. All the talk about pioneer sound etc not being the best but in 6 years of mobile djing I've never have a glitch. I'm getting another SR2. These mixars are riddled with bugs and quite frankly are not worth the risk. It's not being properly tested pretend release and I'd rather even have an SB3 as my backup. Simple controller with average sound but at least it works. Sorry mixars. Looks good but the punters wont be happy when you give us a that controller let's you down at a gig!!
David Horder 9:30 AM - 27 October, 2019
So...after calming down I tried the primo on another macbook with a proper usb port ( not usb c). No static feedback at all. I plugged it back into the other macbook ( with usb c) and it works fine now. Wtf! No static at all. That sums these units up..quirky bugs that occur randomly.

I also had the left deck freeze whilst testing and wouldn't play. Again once switched off and on it was fine.

I want this unit to work but I would never trust it at a gig as the bugs are too random.

I really think there is a grounding issue with these. It looks very similar to the problems with roland and the jog wheel failings.
NukeBox 11:21 AM - 27 October, 2019
Hm. My wild guess-we need to use usb cable with ferrite beads. Adapter already have one filter, so you should use that on usb.
NukeBox 1:06 PM - 27 October, 2019
But defo this needs some firmware update as well... Does anyone know, do someone from mixars is reading this forum? I mean, there is no own mixars forum as far as i know...
577er 2:37 PM - 27 October, 2019
I’ve noticed a few minor glitches with the primo.

Like others mentioned the hardware filter is not fully off when at zero. The hardware affects are essentially useless to me as a result. I just use a SDJ effect to do this instead.

The loop button will occasionally not activate the loop but the screen shows a deactivated loop where the loop should be. I feel like the loop button sometimes registers the release of pressure as a second touch?

I’ve had 1 instance of the cue points not working on a track. I just re-loaded the same track to the same deck and control came back.

The mic sounds great but the echo on the mic is much better than the echo included in the built in effects! To me that’s crazy, should be the other way around.

Overall love the primo. It’s not flawless but fun to play on and so far no serious reliability issues.
NukeBox 3:00 PM - 27 October, 2019
Btw, i should mention that, apparently, there is some minor mapping issues, hence keylock backlight, and autoloop glitches. Hope serato team will fix this. Grounding issues, on other hand is, apparently is what we should take into consideration.
David Horder 8:06 AM - 29 October, 2019
So the primo has gone back today..sadly switched back to another sr2. I got the primo as a backup after a client beer spill accident wiped out my sr2. The pioneer is a bit boring, functional and doesnt have the bright sound of the primo but ultimately it works and when I do a wedding or any paid event I need to know my controller isnt going to spring random bugs on me. Until mixars get their act together I'm staying clear. You have enough things to consider when djing and worrying about a controller shouldn't be one of them. I'm gonna track this thread tho because if the primo can get its firmware sorted and hopefully no grounding issues then I'm coming back in for one but for now I'll give it a miss. Good luck guys and thanks for the help. 👍👍
DJ Tecniq 11:13 AM - 29 October, 2019
That sucks man I’ve had no jog issues at all straight out the box when I first received mine but I have had some weird bugs but I think they are software related with the new update. I did the firmware updates in order I didn’t skip any but I’m confident your SR2 will be solid I have mine as a backup the primo is just more fun to play with and the aux input is a great emergency if needed.
NukeBox 12:54 PM - 29 October, 2019
Sad to hear this, but totally understandable. I second Tecniq, actually lack of aux was that thing, that turned me away from RR. Best of luck to you.
Res-Q 1:52 PM - 29 October, 2019
Hi guys, here's my 2 cents.

I've had the primo for 6 months (before I had a SR2 which sucks for all the mentions above).
I only did the first firmware update v1.12 for the visual led ring.
Since then everything went smooth so I never bothered upgrading the firmware.
I really like this controller, it's an amazing piece of gear, which I find way better than Pioneer's shit mic preamps, shit outputs, shit mic inputs.... etc....

I play out at least once a week, and I've never had any issues until this past saturday....

Just like the users above, my left jog died mid-set: it started to behave as if "vinyl" mode was deactivated on the left deck. I used instant double to finish my set. Sometimes the jog would start to respond again but not fully so I went on with using th right deck.

Today I plug everything in the studio, play for an hour without any issues.... so I will try more and if it acts up again I will do the 2 other firmware updates and see what's up.


Regarding grounding issues, I use a mbp and there is no grounding on the outlet plug.
There is no grounding plug on the primo adaptor either.
So imo it's the jog issue has nothing to do with grounding.

FYI for those who have this grounding issue:
15 years ago when I ran Serato on a Dell PC which had a 3 plug (grounding plug) I noticed a big hum on the sound system. This hum went away when I used an adaptor to make the 3 prung plug a 2 prong without grounding.
David Horder 2:10 PM - 29 October, 2019
Thats a good update especially the grounding tips- and re the pioneer outputs - its a personal choice /opinion. I have never had a complaint about the pioneer sound (both mic outputs at weddings or xlr to speakers) in fact often I get good feedback - it maybe the yamaha dbrs covering up the pioneer shortfall?

It isnt the best audio in the world though but what i do know is I would rather that than halfway through a set and a jog wheel packs up. That underlines the primo for me. Until they sort out these bugs it simply adds a layer of stress that I dont need when djing when your biggest worry should be song choice and keeping the crowd happy.

If they get it sorted then i would be the 1st to sell a SR2 and get a primo as a 2nd controller. Fingers crossed they iron out these gremlins
NukeBox 2:10 PM - 29 October, 2019
Hm. Maybe then it's not such a bad idea to upgrade to 1.13 and 1.14? If done right it won't kill the jogs. And mixars site caims that 1.13 actually fixed jog sensivity issues.
NukeBox 2:15 PM - 29 October, 2019
Still... Is there any representative of mixars in this forum? I mean, c'mon, roland got one, pioneer sure got one, mixars ought to have one. Give us something, wink maybe. Kinda sucks if all this feedback is going to waste.
David Horder 2:31 PM - 29 October, 2019
Theres a Facebook site. They have a primo supprt team and got back to me almost immediately when I had a jog wheel issue. Maybe send this link onto them and invite them in?
NukeBox 2:43 PM - 29 October, 2019
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Theres a Facebook site. They have a primo supprt team and got back to me almost immediately when I had a jog wheel issue. Maybe send this link onto them and invite them in?


Already done that through form on their site, if you'll do the same through facebook, than maybe we'll get the chance to speed up that bug hunt for a little)
Res-Q 4:19 PM - 29 October, 2019
not everybody has facebook... can you link them to this thread please so a rep can sign up and give some tips / answers as suggested
David Horder 4:33 PM - 29 October, 2019
Leave it with me..just at work at the mo. I'll let you know when done 👍
David Horder 9:23 AM - 30 October, 2019
Sent a request into primo as promised. Meanwhile there is FB group called 'mixars primo user group'. Worth a look. The good news is the thread has exactly the same issues as on here( jog wheels and grounding etc) The not so good news is one or 2 have have had bad experiences with the jog wheels and gone back to denon and other controllers.
DJ Tecniq 2:48 PM - 30 October, 2019
I’m a member here ya go. Come join us
www.facebook.com
David Horder 2:50 PM - 30 October, 2019
Ha ha..glad they let you in..I'm still waiting for approval to join lol.. Really hope mixars get to the table and fix these bugs on that forum
cosmicbaggy 8:55 PM - 30 October, 2019
So basically it's f*cked. This is why i didn't bother picking one up at release.

Sounds very similar to the sports cars the Italians also produce... ;-)
dj_soo 9:47 PM - 30 October, 2019
ugh, so glad I waited on this. Had high hopes - hopefully they sort it out, but this is still the only controller I really want...
v@l 11:12 PM - 30 October, 2019
I have zero issues with mine since i did the firmware updates in steps i get the same quality of music with or without the power adaptor even the standalone mixer works via usb i lubed the jogs on mine so they spin more freely this controller is close to perfect only thing missing is jog tension adjust im lovin it....
DJ Alibi 11:33 PM - 30 October, 2019
I never had any problems with gigs or at home anymore after i put on that ground adapter to my laptop, i got the idea that it was a grounding issue after reading this about a Pioneer Product and trying it...

"DDJSX2 Grounding Issue
Has anybody had any luck figuring out the grounding issue with the DDJSX2 where Vinyl mode works sporadically? When it starts acting up you can touch the jog wheel and your other hand to the controllers chassis to get it to work. This isn't a viable solution though as you need your other hand to mix. "

other wise, here is my complete solution for the jog wheel problem :
photos.app.goo.gl
DVS!! lol
NukeBox 1:41 AM - 31 October, 2019
Duh... Actually i find it kinda strange move to not upgrade device at least to 1.13. While mixars did not officialy confirm "follow the update order" theory (really dunno why, that thing alone would've turned me off, if i haven't a knack for diggin' a wee bit into hardware stuff) recommendation from facebook representative was installing 1.14 (or 1.13 if won't work), doing AUTO calibration first, then manual one. So it actually confirms my theory about reliance on auto calibration data. Hence fing-up jogs when going from 1.12 to 1.14. BTW i got 1.12 pre-installed on unit, not 1.09. New batch, eh? Actually if it won't be for Pioneer hideous overpricing their stuff, i would've go with ddj 800. Not best sounding stuff? Yup, but reliable in most cases. But daym. I really hope that Mixars will actually iron out this unit WITHOUT pullin' "MK2" stuff. Because then it's all Denon "we abandon old stuff" policy, and that is exactly why Denon, while technically superior, is still biting the dust. Say what you will, but you still can buy DDJ SB or DDJ SR and it will work. And then you got MC 4000 with "random midi trigger" issues... Well, sorry 'bout the rant. Back to the topic. I still think that jogwheel is either is grounding issue, or firmware stuff, hence "keylock backlight" error, and inaccessible midi xml. Thing is- the way i see it, Serato pulls off midi xml either from it's own files, or from controller. Inaccesibility means that something wrong in "program-controller" chain, and not working BTW left keylock indicates some kind "default preset" loaded at startup of controller. If default preset for jog is fckd-up (uncalibrated,eh?), that means if that one is somehow resetted to default state, it will make ur scratchie time bad. I geniunely think that primo is one firmware version away from being what it actually needs to be- fleshed out SR2. If that is the case i hope mixars will pull this one out. If grounding is the issue, then it's what DJ Alibi says: ground adapter. BTW, maybe you could send a link to one of these. Want to check if that's what i actually think that is.
NukeBox 4:37 PM - 3 November, 2019
And so, i too got same ol' jog issue. It was kinda slow venue and i was able to experiment with outlets etc. Unplugging controller's brick won't help. Unplugging notebooks power supply resolved problem partially. Rebooting device didn't resolve problem. And icing on the cake- after all was over i tried jogs one last time and whaddaya think- no issues. Like at all. On same setup. If it would've been consistent i would've told that this is grounding, but now i actually think this is partially or entirely firmware stuff. I'm willing to give primo a chance, but if they won't fix or at least acknowledge problem as widespread- would return my unit... Alas. I'm kinda like it.
Mm3 2:55 AM - 6 November, 2019
Returned mine today... left jog wheel became unresponsive twice during a 5 hour gig. Total silence; i first thought the pa system shut down then i realized it was the controller.

I like the primo and wished it worked out for me. Sounded great on a big system! My weekend gig was out of state and it fit perfectly in my back pack for the Plane ride....didnt need to check in. Really wished it worked out!

Also both units i had had filter knob issue on the right side; it was always on at 12oclock position with the four hardware effects or when mapped to serato filter...

Ill be picking up the 1000 srt instead, a lot bigger and twice the price but seems more reliable... the hardware efx is a big plus for me too as Ive always preferred my S9 efx over software..
NukeBox 5:18 PM - 6 November, 2019
Well, everything slowly but steady moving for return at my side. I'm getting tired of support's "reinstall 1.13-calibrate-install 1.14". And what beauty is answer "venue should have proper grounding". Well, it should. But why the hell SR2 works fine in exact same environment? Even ddj 400 have no problems, fer fs sake! I'll try last ditch effort- ungrounded power strip and/or ungrounded adapter for notebook,butbif it won't work, then it's return. And it really pains me. I want so bad for this thing just to work. It could have been the thing that topples SR2. Instead, right now, it serves as advertisement- "Want reliable? You want Pioneer!" Worst of all- Roland had decency to acknowledge their fail. Mixars, judging by support reaction, is either oblivious, or ignorant. And that is, in my book, is not how you should enter the market.
dj_soo 5:39 PM - 6 November, 2019
i really don't understand why so many people have issues with platters in 2019 - these things have been around forever so why are companies still fucking them up now?
NukeBox 6:13 PM - 6 November, 2019
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i really don't understand why so many people have issues with platters in 2019 - these things have been around forever so why are companies still fucking them up now?


Life is amazing thing) Not so long ago we had phones exploding in user's hand, so jogwheels is not such a bad thing ) I think Mixars just didn't run proper "real life" test. In laboratory, in studio, damn, even at home Primo sure works great, but that is not true working conditions. Venue sure "should" have proper grounding, but from where i from- it is HIGHLY unlikely. And in real life you want some sturdy, reliable working piece of equipment. Primo sure as hell is sturdy, i mean, metallic faceplate and all that. But it's not reliable. Ultimately if this will remain unresolved, then Primo would be nothing more than a two year flop. My only hope that they won't pull "mk2" stuff, leaving original users hanging. That would be super scammy.
Res-Q 6:21 PM - 6 November, 2019
For those of you who have the platter issue, is it also happening when you dont use the power cable and only the USB cable?
NukeBox 6:42 PM - 6 November, 2019
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For those of you who have the platter issue, is it also happening when you dont use the power cable and only the USB cable?


Specially tested that one out (lazy gig, had time), and while it reduces problem it DOES NOT eliminate the issue. Unplugging notebook's charger AND unplugging controller's power brick kinda helps. Seemingly. Did not have THAT much time for testing. Thing is- why we, users, have to do all this sh*t? I actually think Mixars lost a lot of sales to this thread, most people reading it would say "f-it, i'll buy Pioneer". They could've at least acknowledge issues and say something like "We know about this glitch. Please wait while we fix it", and there'll be a lot less returns i think. But here we are, support try to say that "there is nothing with the unit". It begins to really dissapoint me. I was passionate about this controller, it is, if it worked, a perfect piece for me, with everything i want. But it is flawed in a so basic way... That just makes me sad.
DJ Tecniq 7:17 PM - 6 November, 2019
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For those of you who have the platter issue, is it also happening when you dont use the power cable and only the USB cable?
I personally have not had any jogwheel issues with or without the power supply or usb cable. I’ve tried both and even separate (usb only) with no problem. My only guess is there’s some bad units out there. I always use my powerstrip and use a Mac with 3 prong power supply and luckily never any issues the jogs are spot on. I ordered mine from thedjhookup maybe I just got lucky.
NukeBox 5:53 AM - 7 November, 2019
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I always use my powerstrip


Maybe that is the reason. I'll try to get ungrounded one for myself. After all still got that sweet 3year warranty from thomann. But my point is- even if it will work, i won't say "don't get SR2, try Primo instead" anymore. It will be "if you dont mind jumping through some hoops, than maybe you should try Primo. But if you want "out of the box" then SR2". And you know what most people will choose.
David Horder 6:52 AM - 7 November, 2019
Just on this point....I have 2 uk macbooks both with uk 3 pin plugs so grounded and I got the jog wheel problem. That was the point when I returned it for a refund as I gave up trying to work it through.
Ollieboy 7:19 PM - 7 November, 2019
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For those of you who have the platter issue, is it also happening when you dont use the power cable and only the USB cable?
I personally have not had any jogwheel issues with or without the power supply or usb cable. I’ve tried both and even separate (usb only) with no problem. My only guess is there’s some bad units out there. I always use my powerstrip and use a Mac with 3 prong power supply and luckily never any issues the jogs are spot on. I ordered mine from thedjhookup maybe I just got lucky.

Try it out one time and plug into a multiple with a missing or bad ground. It happened to be on one of my last gigs. I gave my extension cord to the bar manager and he possibly plugged it into a multiple outlet with bad grounding and it killed my jog wheel. My laptop and speaker was as also plugged into that extension so I couldn't just pull it out of that multiple outlet. It sucked
NukeBox 11:53 AM - 8 November, 2019
So, support's answer was "if you calibrated it, and still have issues, contact your dealer for return". That's some helpful stuff)
mixgoonie 12:41 PM - 11 November, 2019
Sad that this controller has also issues as the Denon MC 4000 is also know for his sudden stop issues...

Now remains only the Pioneer but SR2 but it doesn't belong to the same pricetag...
NukeBox 1:46 PM - 11 November, 2019
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Sad that this controller has also issues as the Denon MC 4000 is also know for his sudden stop issues...

Now remains only the Pioneer but SR2 but it doesn't belong to the same pricetag...


Nah. Actually this one is better. It DOESN'T stop the track. If it was, i would've already returned my, without any "second chances"
mabbs 1:50 PM - 11 November, 2019
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For those of you who have the platter issue, is it also happening when you dont use the power cable and only the USB cable?


Specially tested that one out (lazy gig, had time), and while it reduces problem it DOES NOT eliminate the issue. Unplugging notebook's charger AND unplugging controller's power brick kinda helps. Seemingly. Did not have THAT much time for testing. Thing is- why we, users, have to do all this sh*t? I actually think Mixars lost a lot of sales to this thread, most people reading it would say "f-it, i'll buy Pioneer". They could've at least acknowledge issues and say something like "We know about this glitch. Please wait while we fix it", and there'll be a lot less returns i think. But here we are, support try to say that "there is nothing with the unit". It begins to really dissapoint me. I was passionate about this controller, it is, if it worked, a perfect piece for me, with everything i want. But it is flawed in a so basic way... That just makes me sad.


I felt the same, really wanted this controller to be a success. Last week I sold it on again and picked up an SR2. I find Pioneer equipment generally quite uninspiring, but having something that just 'works' is actually refreshing.

Initially I was happy with the last firmware update from Mixars but over time, I have had intermittent issues with the jog wheels. The volume still comes in too hot and those built in effects are lacking. I do miss the longer pitch sliders, but the fact the SR2 is also compatible with Catalina makes it a much more sensible option.
NukeBox 1:59 PM - 11 November, 2019
[quotI felt the same, really wanted this controller to be a success. Last week I sold it on again and picked up an SR2. I find Pioneer equipment generally quite uninspiring, but having something that just 'works' is actually refreshing.

Initially I was happy with the last firmware update from Mixars but over time, I have had intermittent issues with the jog wheels. The volume still comes in too hot and those built in effects are lacking. I do miss the longer pitch sliders, but the fact the SR2 is also compatible with Catalina makes it a much more sensible option.

I'm on that road too. Mixars now even have video proof of the grounding issue. I'll give them time to react. If it will be something like "oh its your venue/notebook/etc. issue" then screw it. I'm returning mine and going SR2/RR route.
Res-Q 1:03 AM - 30 November, 2019
FYI Mixars told me today that a new firmware update was going to be released in the next few days.
It will give you the possibility to calibrate the jogs independently, instead of both together and it'll also solve some static/grounding issues some people were encountering when touching metal objects and the jogs.
mixgoonie 11:42 AM - 30 November, 2019
Let's see if that is really the case...
David Horder 11:43 AM - 30 November, 2019
I'd also be interested to know how a software update can resolve a grounding issue..let see fingers crossed.
DJ Tecniq 9:48 AM - 20 December, 2019
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Found a new little problem that’s happened a few times to me now, when pressing a cue point on the left side while cueing it up in the headphones it’s triggered the same cue point but on the right side while playing, anyone else had this happen?
I can confirm this has happened to me once or twice now at a gig and I dunno why it’s happening. I will set the cue point on the deck that’s not playing out live and it will set a cue point on the playing deck I think it’s a midi bug when the hell is the new firmware coming out.
DJ Tecniq 10:21 AM - 20 December, 2019
Also how can I map the filter to Serato’s filter? Someone posted the tutorial video but I can’t find which thread it was in and looked through this entire thread. Thanks!
firstclassalltheway 3:06 AM - 23 December, 2019
Hi guys, back from the dead. I pre-ordered this Mixars Primo years ago and just gave up. I randomly remembered it today, saw that it came out, saw some videos online and just finished reading this entire thread. Holy shit. Thanks for being pioneers and testing this controller out. Kind of considering buying one but so many issues it just scares me. I'm still using a Numark NS6-MKII controller which works pretty good, I'm just always looking for higher quality audio output/soundcard options and that's why I was interested in this controller to begin with. Has anyone actually found out what kind of sound card this controller uses? I couldn't find anything online and their website seems like it's been hacked or something. Or I know this is a tall ask but if anyone has done an a/b for audio output quality? Maybe streaming Tidal FLAC files on some RCF speakers or something a/b'ng this controller with Pioneer, Numark and Roland? I wish Rane just made a dope high quality 2 channel controller with amazing faders, quality materials, super high quality sound card, neutrik connectors, etc... Anyway, good to be back.
Ollieboy 4:58 AM - 23 December, 2019
Did a 4hr set this past weekend. No issues. Just need the filters to be better. They're too sensitive.
DJ Tecniq 9:10 AM - 23 December, 2019
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Did a 4hr set this past weekend. No issues. Just need the filters to be better. They're too sensitive.
Agreed. But you can map the filters to Serato’s filter fx I just don’t know how I saw someone do a tutorial video on it but can’t find it.
Res-Q 11:31 AM - 23 December, 2019
FYI the new firmware update is out 1.15
-Improved Jog wheel Calibration range.
-Independent left and right jog wheel touch auto/manual calibration. (Use VINYL buttons to select)
mixars.com
Res-Q 11:33 AM - 23 December, 2019
@ tecniq just clic on midi in serato, clic on the filter knob in serato to highlight it, then turn the filter knob on the Primo
NukeBox 1:22 PM - 23 December, 2019
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FYI the new firmware update is out 1.15
-Improved Jog wheel Calibration range.
-Independent left and right jog wheel touch auto/manual calibration. (Use VINYL buttons to select)
mixars.com


Be VERY careful with new firmware, and test it before serious gigs. I hope Mixars fixed it, but in some conditions it was causing "touch stuck", and completely stopped the track.
NukeBox 1:29 PM - 23 December, 2019
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Hi guys, back from the dead. I pre-ordered this Mixars Primo years ago and just gave up. I randomly remembered it today, saw that it came out, saw some videos online and just finished reading this entire thread. Holy shit. Thanks for being pioneers and testing this controller out. Kind of considering buying one but so many issues it just scares me. I'm still using a Numark NS6-MKII controller which works pretty good, I'm just always looking for higher quality audio output/soundcard options and that's why I was interested in this controller to begin with. Has anyone actually found out what kind of sound card this controller uses? I couldn't find anything online and their website seems like it's been hacked or something. Or I know this is a tall ask but if anyone has done an a/b for audio output quality? Maybe streaming Tidal FLAC files on some RCF speakers or something a/b'ng this controller with Pioneer, Numark and Roland? I wish Rane just made a dope high quality 2 channel controller with amazing faders, quality materials, super high quality sound card, neutrik connectors, etc... Anyway, good to be back.


Dunno about specifics but Primo sounded better than SR2 on my EV ELX115, and there is not so many issues left. Actually main one is jogwheels, if you scratch a lot, and grounding is shitty it can be serious annoyance,but if grounding is ok, then, actually, there is no big issues.
firstclassalltheway 8:48 PM - 23 December, 2019
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Dunno about specifics but Primo sounded better than SR2 on my EV ELX115, and there is not so many issues left. Actually main one is jogwheels, if you scratch a lot, and grounding is shitty it can be serious annoyance,but if grounding is ok, then, actually, there is no big issues.


Awesome, thanks! Maybe I'll pick one up as a back up to mess around with. Any other promising high quality controllers on the horizon anytime soon?
Res-Q 9:00 PM - 23 December, 2019
For folks who have issues with jog wheels, I am curious to know if it's one side specifically and which one or both jogs?
And do you still have this issue with firmware 1.15?
firstclassalltheway 12:42 AM - 24 December, 2019
Does anyone else have info on the soundcard specs in this controller by chance?
Res-Q 12:51 AM - 24 December, 2019
just email the company and ask them they always respond to my emails on the same day
firstclassalltheway 1:39 AM - 24 December, 2019
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just email the company and ask them they always respond to my emails on the same day


Do you have their email? I've been trying to go on their website (mixars dot com) and it looks like it's either been hacked or it re-directs to a bunch of shady other sites. Any help is much appreciated
firstclassalltheway 1:40 AM - 24 December, 2019
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just email the company and ask them they always respond to my emails on the same day


Do you have their email? I've been trying to go on their website (mixars dot com) and it looks like it's either been hacked or it re-directs to a bunch of shady other sites. Any help is much appreciated


NM just tried again and I'm in!
Res-Q 2:24 AM - 24 December, 2019
in case you can't find it
info@mixars.com
firstclassalltheway 6:53 PM - 24 December, 2019
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in case you can't find it
info@mixars.com


Awesome thanks. I couldn't find it so I fb messaged them and they told me to read the manual lol. I did before I messaged the and the only thing I could find anywhere was at the very end under "USB Interface" it says "Sampling Rate: 48kHz / Resolution: 24-bit"
DJ Tecniq 8:25 PM - 24 December, 2019
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Awesome thanks. I couldn't find it so I fb messaged them and they told me to read the manual lol. I did before I messaged the and the only thing I could find anywhere was at the very end under "USB Interface" it says "Sampling Rate: 48kHz / Resolution: 24-bit"
They just used a high quality soundcard unlike Pioneer. Whatever is in it it sure sounds better than any Pioneer SR,SX series...not sure about the SZ.
DJ Kodos 9:24 PM - 30 December, 2019
@DJ Tecniq, I am thinking of switching from my Pioneer DDJ-SR. How significant is the sound improvement of the Mixars over the DDJ SR? When I play at the club, the sound from DJ's using turntables/Rane mixer sounds so much better than my controller. Thanks!
DJ Tecniq 9:59 PM - 30 December, 2019
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@DJ Tecniq, I am thinking of switching from my Pioneer DDJ-SR. How significant is the sound improvement of the Mixars over the DDJ SR? When I play at the club, the sound from DJ's using turntables/Rane mixer sounds so much better than my controller. Thanks!
My suggestion if you aren’t running your controller into a sound board then you’re going to always suffer in sound quality. Mixing boards have better preamps for live audio/mics. Comparing a controller to a DJ mixer is not really a fair comparison cause a DJ mixer will always sound better. Controllers really lack good audio quality esp the mid grade units like SR/SR2 etc.
DJ Tecniq 10:01 PM - 30 December, 2019
I’m not sure how you have your controller connected but if it still sounds weak with a sound board then def upgrade. SR is a really old outdated controller.
DJ Kodos 10:53 PM - 30 December, 2019
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I’m not sure how you have your controller connected but if it still sounds weak with a sound board then def upgrade. SR is a really old outdated controller.


Thanks for the reply. I connect my DDJ SR to the Rane via RCA cables and move the input selector on the Rane to "CDJ/Aux." The Rane is connected to a sound board. I don't connect directly to the board because I won't have booth sound.

Another reason I'd like to change controllers is the the DDJ is having issues (i.e., buttons on the controller causing other functions to trigger--like sync will change the decks and so on).
Longman1 4:25 AM - 31 December, 2019
Gust that update for the primo did nothing two primo and the right jog wheel on both go in and out when scratching
DJ Tecniq 9:25 AM - 31 December, 2019
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I don't connect directly to the board because I won't have booth sound.
I’m confused by this because the SR has a booth output to connect to so not sure why you’re even pairing your SR to the Rane mixer seems pointless. Your SR should be going straight into the mixing board for the absolute best sound quality and you’ll still have a booth output for use with a powered speaker as floor monitor👍🏼
DJ Tecniq 9:27 AM - 31 December, 2019
I would also wait for NAMM 2020 I’m hoping we’ll see more 2 ch controllers with better features. It’s long overdue.
David Horder 9:39 AM - 31 December, 2019
Just to add I had an SR and always felt the outputs were lacking in volume. I upgraded to the SR2 a couple of years back and it has far stronger sound output plus XLR connections. It's also mains powered which gives it more volume headroom (25%).

I did switch to the mixars primo but sent it back due to the bugs ( and kept my reliable SR2) and so far cant see any improvements in mixars latest firmware to sort those jog wheel issues out sadly.
DJ Tecniq 9:54 AM - 31 December, 2019
I have both the SR2 & Primo but Primo def has the better sound quality and features a full pitch slider, jogwheel led playhead, aux input so for my personal preference it suits me better and has what the SR2 is missing but that shouldn’t take away from the unit cause it’s very solid & reliable. I’ve not had any jogwheel or grounding issues w/Primo since I’ve had it. Seems to not be as widespread and only affecting a limited amount of users. My main gripe with the SR2 was the short pitch sliders, no aux input and lacks good sound quality with a nice preamp or mixing board it sounds great though.
NukeBox 9:56 AM - 31 December, 2019
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Gust that update for the primo did nothing two primo and the right jog wheel on both go in and out when scratching


Use ungrounded powerstrip, and protected isb cable. If environment have really shitty grounding, try thingie called ART DTI. Should cut off input and output grounding.
mixgoonie 11:27 AM - 31 December, 2019
Just out of curiosity, do you have links to these product to be able to buy them ?

Thanks
NukeBox 11:55 AM - 31 December, 2019
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Just out of curiosity, do you have links to these product to be able to buy them ?

Thanks


Ungrounded powerstrip you'll have to find by urself, in any electrical store. And there you can buy ungrounded adapter on your notebook plug. All of this is cheap.
For ART DTI
www.amazon.com
That's not so cheap.
dj_soo 9:53 PM - 7 April, 2020
So the Primo is now listed as "discontinued" on a lot of stores and doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Think Mixars is throwing in the towel for controllers or rather a MK2 might be coming out eventually?
577er 10:41 PM - 7 April, 2020
I could see mixers folding in the light of the global shut down and how hard hit Italy was. Hope not. The Primo wasn’t perfect but it was the best sounding & feature rich midrange controller out there.
erratic_calm 1:26 AM - 8 April, 2020
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I have both the SR2 & Primo but Primo def has the better sound quality and features


The SR2 is beyond overpriced, especially without a log wheel indicator. It should retail for $499. I wouldn't buy one just out of principle. Mixars proved that a better controller can be made for much less without the premium markup that Pioneer puts on everything.

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So the Primo is now listed as "discontinued" on a lot of stores and doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Think Mixars is throwing in the towel for controllers or rather a MK2 might be coming out eventually?


It's available on a ton of sites in the US, albeit heavily discounted on a few. I see it for $388 on a couple sites.

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I did switch to the mixars primo but sent it back due to the bugs ( and kept my reliable SR2) and so far cant see any improvements in mixars latest firmware to sort those jog wheel issues out sadly.


I don't think I saw anyone mention the 1.15 firmware that eventually came out. I see a lot of talk about 1.14 but I'm pretty positive that 1.15 fixed all jog issues, unless it was a manufacturing defect on a very small percentage of units, which I never saw a direct confirmation about.
dj_soo 1:52 AM - 8 April, 2020
I still want one for myself, but it's not happening until I get some revenue going again. It's nowhere to be found in Canada, but if someone has one of those $388 Primos they want to link to me, that would be great
NukeBox 5:38 AM - 8 April, 2020
All the Primo talk now mostly going in facebook group, it's more convenient for that purpose, plus have manuals. FW 1.15 indeed fixed jogs... Sorta. It expanded manual calibration range, and allows more fine-tuning to the jogs. Because different people have skin conductivity, and need different jog sens level. With this and some other thing from the manual most users have a very good experience. It's all really in the group. As for discontinued... I think it's just no new units in manufacture now due to other pending problems. I do not think that as a model Primo is discontinued, nor that MK2 coming anytime soon. Alas initial problems and lack of Pio's marketing power ensured that Primo have a long way to go before people stop asking "huh? Wazzat? Why no Pioneer?" When seeing one.
DJ Tecniq 11:15 AM - 8 April, 2020
I’m actually selling my SR2. I’m going to keep the Mixars and upgrade to the 1000srt. For a 4 channel it’s more compact than I thought unless another dope 2 ch controller comes out but I highly doubt it with everything going on now. The Primo is what the SR2 should have been. The phono preamp on the SR2 is just trash compared to my primo.
HellNegative1 12:23 PM - 9 April, 2020
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So the Primo is now listed as "discontinued" on a lot of stores and doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Think Mixars is throwing in the towel for controllers or rather a MK2 might be coming out eventually?


The LTA, STA, and Quattro are all discontinued right now in multiple stores. Havent seen the Duo in dc status yet. Maybe Mixars is dead?
ron koss 7:50 AM - 10 April, 2020
En europe on en trouve encore , et sur les site qui sont en rupture, ils indiquent qu’ils seront disponibles d’ici quelques semaines.
Je pense simplement qu’en ce moment c’est plus compliqué pour les approvisionnements
Ex: chez Thomann, il etait en rupture il y a quelques jours et il est aujourd’hui disponible .

Pour une version mk2 , c’est possible (la version mk2 de la duo est arrivée dans le meme timing a peu pres , mais le primo a eu du retard dans le lancement et le developpement des mise a jour firmware , mais il semble au point aujourd’hui)
metroplex2005 11:37 PM - 10 April, 2020
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En europe on en trouve encore , et sur les site qui sont en rupture, ils indiquent qu’ils seront disponibles d’ici quelques semaines.
Je pense simplement qu’en ce moment c’est plus compliqué pour les approvisionnements
Ex: chez Thomann, il etait en rupture il y a quelques jours et il est aujourd’hui disponible .

Pour une version mk2 , c’est possible (la version mk2 de la duo est arrivée dans le meme timing a peu pres , mais le primo a eu du retard dans le lancement et le developpement des mise a jour firmware , mais il semble au point aujourd’hui)


serato.com
HellNegative1 4:35 AM - 11 April, 2020
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En europe on en trouve encore , et sur les site qui sont en rupture, ils indiquent qu’ils seront disponibles d’ici quelques semaines.
Je pense simplement qu’en ce moment c’est plus compliqué pour les approvisionnements
Ex: chez Thomann, il etait en rupture il y a quelques jours et il est aujourd’hui disponible .

Pour une version mk2 , c’est possible (la version mk2 de la duo est arrivée dans le meme timing a peu pres , mais le primo a eu du retard dans le lancement et le developpement des mise a jour firmware , mais il semble au point aujourd’hui)


serato.com


Really bro?

He's replying to this thread with his view. Hes saying that it is in shops locally where he is and that Thomann said they will have more units in stock soon. During the shutdown, there just isn't any fulfillment, which could make sense.
ron koss 7:11 AM - 11 April, 2020
Yes sorry my english is bad ! But il have to try 😂
I ordered my s cond primo last week (i sold the first for the jog problem , but now it’s sems to be ok ... and i never find the same qualité in pioneer controler or other ! I buy a ddj sx2 , it was sonbad ... trime level was so bad !!! And sound qualite just a fucking bullshit ...
But is not the subject !

My 2nd primo come next monday , and the shop has stock !
metroplex2005 11:55 AM - 11 April, 2020
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Really bro?


Yes, really.

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He's replying to this thread with his view.


I have no idea, because I don’t speak french. There is an extra area for french, in this area english is the common language.

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Hes saying that it is in shops locally where he is and that Thomann said they will have more units in stock soon. During the shutdown, there just isn't any fulfillment, which could make sense.

I have no idea, and i don’t care. Because I don’t speak french.
ron koss 12:27 PM - 11 April, 2020
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Je n'en ai aucune idée, et je m'en fiche. </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Parce que je ne parle pas français.
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With google traduction in 2020 it’s easy to translate no ?
In Europe primo is available .
I think it’s a problem with corona virus not with mixars ... i say because in thomann store in germany , primo was not available and today he is in stock ...

Hope you understand ...
ron koss 12:29 PM - 11 April, 2020
With google traduction in 2020 it’s easy to translate no ?
In Europe primo is available .
I think it’s a problem with corona virus not with mixars ... i say because in thomann store in germany , primo was not available and today he is in stock ...

Hope you understand ...
ron koss 12:39 PM - 11 April, 2020
Don’t worry i go back to the french page 👍
HellNegative1 12:28 PM - 13 April, 2020
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Really bro?


Yes, really.

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He's replying to this thread with his view.


I have no idea, because I don’t speak french. There is an extra area for french, in this area english is the common language.

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Hes saying that it is in shops locally where he is and that Thomann said they will have more units in stock soon. During the shutdown, there just isn't any fulfillment, which could make sense.

I have no idea, and i don’t care. Because I don’t speak french.



.... Google Translate speaks french. Welcome to 2020.
ron koss 2:08 PM - 13 April, 2020
:)
metroplex2005 2:33 PM - 13 April, 2020
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.... Google Translate speaks french. Welcome to 2020.


Yes, i know. But it's not my turn to use that helpfull service.

So, whats so difficult to use google translate before posting in an english forum area, in an english thread?

Are you really saying all the people should post in their native language, like french, russian, spanish, arabic, suaheli, german, afrikaans, somalian, and so on, as they like?
Because they are to lazy or proud to show some effort?
So that everyone else should use a translation service to understand them?
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Really Bro?
ron koss 4:18 PM - 13 April, 2020
If you don’t give a shit for my comment , you can just stay in silence no ?
I think it was a good information for people how want to know what happen with primo ... 😜

But no problem bro .

I’m gonna make a video tuto « comment mettre un innofader plus dans un primo », sorry it will be in french ...
the other how want to see, i will post it on primo facebook group .

Peace .
metroplex2005 6:44 PM - 13 April, 2020
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If you don’t give a shit for my comment...

Perhaps i would, but it was not in english, so i have no idea what you talkin about...

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...you can just stayin silence no ?

Probably not, thats what you have to deal with, if you wrote something in the wrong language and forum area... :-)

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I think it was a good information for people how want to know what happen with primo ... 😜

That may well be the case. But I can't judge that because I don't speak french.
Like quite a few members here.

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But no problem bro .

That's right, definitely not mine.

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I’m gonna make a video tuto

Sounds good.

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« comment mettre un innofader plus dans un primo »

Sorry, i have no idea what you talkin about, i dont speak french...

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sorry it will be in french ...

It's a shame people will die stupid because the majority of the world speaks at least English and not French.
But the French forum will be happy.

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the other how want to see, i will post it on primo facebook group .

Peace .

Sounds like a plan...


No offense, but is it that hard to understand that the majority in this forum does NOT understand french?
The common language is english. Assuming good behavior, everyone should write his contribution in that common language.
Thats how conversation works, common language, you know?

Peace :-)
ron koss 9:15 PM - 13 April, 2020
I thought common language was our common passion for mixing. I must have been wrong.
good mix anyway
metroplex2005 10:05 AM - 14 April, 2020
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I thought common language was our common passion for mixing. I must have been wrong.
good mix anyway


It’s a common passion, not a language.

You can also dance your name and express your feelings in colors.

But I hardly belief that anyone else understand that either, without a specific translation manual...
HellNegative1 1:40 PM - 14 April, 2020
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I thought common language was our common passion for mixing. I must have been wrong.
good mix anyway


It’s a common passion, not a language.

You can also dance your name and express your feelings in colors.

But I hardly belief that anyone else understand that either, without a specific translation manual...


Pretty sure you are just finding creative ways to justify your racism at this point. Why do you refuse to accept others who speak languages other than your own?
ron koss 2:03 PM - 14 April, 2020
Thank you HellNegative :)
Have fun on Primo or othe gear 💪
metroplex2005 2:31 PM - 14 April, 2020
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Pretty sure you are just finding creative ways to justify your racism at this point.


Playing the racism card is a clear sign that someone is running out of arguments.
Its more like "feelings before facts".

So i will give you a free lesson for facts:

1. The main forum area is in english, because it is the most common language in this world. This is deliberately so that people from all over the world can have a conversation with each other.
2. This thread is in the main forum area (common language: english).
3. There are forum areas specific to other languages. Like french, german, italian, spanish, japanese, russian.
4. One person posted something in this thread (see 1. and 2.) in french. And thats obviously the wrong area. This happens sometimes, no big deal.
5. I was very friendly and replied with a linkt to the french forum area. According to forum rule #1 (be nice to each other, in case you forgot that).
So far, so good.

But it seams, some people won't understand facts (or refuse to understand, i don't know). But as the nice person i am, i was trying to explain it several times, very nice and simple, so everyone shoud understand.

And now we are here and you accuse me of racism? Puh, hard stuff man, pretty shure that is a violation of forum rule #1...

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Why do you refuse to accept others who speak languages other than your own?


I totally accept other peoples language. Like french, suaheli, arabic, all the other languages and english (guess what, english is not my native language, i had and still have to learn it).

But politeness requires that you make yourself generally understandable in a general forum using the common language base. And that is english and not something else.
And if that is not possible (despite google translator, welcome in 2020) and someone persist on his national language, thats totally ok. But please, do so in the forum area provided.

You still think this is racism?
Serato, Forum Moderator
Michael R 12:55 AM - 15 April, 2020
Can we please keep this conversation on track or I will have to lock this thread.

People are allowed to post in whatever language they choose. If you don't like it, please ignore it and move on.
ron koss 6:25 AM - 15 April, 2020
No problem Michael !
Have a good day
metroplex2005 9:36 AM - 15 April, 2020
Das ist mir jetzt neu, aber gut zu wissen.
Dankeschön:-)
metroplex2005 11:11 AM - 15 April, 2020
אני חושב שמגפת הקורונה הנוכחית גורמת לא רק לבעיות בפריון, אלא גם לבעיות משלוח ומכס. הכל לוקח קצת יותר זמן.
כתוצאה מכך, מוצרים כמו פרימו לעיתים אינם זמינים לאחר מכירת המלאי.
dj_soo 11:42 AM - 15 April, 2020
this is seriously the hill you feel like you need to die on?
HellNegative1 12:45 PM - 15 April, 2020
Back to the Primo. How is everyone getting on since the last firmware update?
NukeBox 3:56 PM - 15 April, 2020
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Back to the Primo. How is everyone getting on since the last firmware update?

Most users are pretty happy with it now. If it were this way since launch i think SR2 sales would've tanked)
ron koss 3:57 PM - 15 April, 2020
I'm still waiting to receive mine, it should not be long
nostyle 7:14 PM - 15 April, 2020
To those who have/had the mixars primo and went through all the firmware updates- did the pitch fader problems get resolved? (IIRC Dj Tecniq talked about a dead zone around +/- 0.5%).
DJ Tecniq 7:18 PM - 15 April, 2020
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To those who have/had the mixars primo and went through all the firmware updates- did the pitch fader problems get resolved? (IIRC Dj Tecniq talked about a dead zone around +/- 0.5%).
That was a long while back and the pitch is rock solid here’s a demo of me trying it out after the firmware update. I think I’m only on .13 firmware and not had issues. Cheers!

youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:30 PM - 15 April, 2020
Also I must give credit to Mixars the sound quality and phono preamp on the Primo sound fantastic compared to my SR2. I am actually selling my SR2 cause I never use it the short pitch faders, non-jogwheel indicator and no aux input sealed the deal it’s going bye bye...the SR2 imo is what the Primo should of been. I will go as far as saying the Primo is the best 2 ch controller in the market. The phono preamp on the SR2 sounds like a fucking tin can it is shit. But Mixars is partnered with RCF who are known for their amazing sound quality. I’m quite shocked it’s so much cheaper than my SR2. I am still keeping it as a backup but will upgrade to the SRT. #stimulus2020 lol
nostyle 8:42 PM - 15 April, 2020
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To those who have/had the mixars primo and went through all the firmware updates- did the pitch fader problems get resolved? (IIRC Dj Tecniq talked about a dead zone around +/- 0.5%).
That was a long while back and the pitch is rock solid here’s a demo of me trying it out after the firmware update. I think I’m only on .13 firmware and not had issues. Cheers!

youtu.be



Thanks for the quick reply, that's def good to hear. Not to derail the thread too much, but what do you like about the new SRT?
Doc Brown 9:12 PM - 15 April, 2020
Just to chime in: Ive also been using the primo since release, the .13 firmwares and later have given me no problems at all.
nostyle 9:35 PM - 15 April, 2020
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Just to chime in: Ive also been using the primo since release, the .13 firmwares and later have given me no problems at all.


Great! I placed an order for one. Have you found anything about the Primo that you remapped on Serato(or VDJ etc...)?
577er 12:03 AM - 16 April, 2020
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To those who have/had the mixars primo and went through all the firmware updates- did the pitch fader problems get resolved? (IIRC Dj Tecniq talked about a dead zone around +/- 0.5%).


Another Primo owner. No issues other that at 0 the effects still very slightly effect the signal. Great little controller and the prices are unbeatable at the moment!
Longman1 4:21 PM - 16 April, 2020
Good to hear u all have no problems with this he primo I buy the primo January and the jogwheels was still giving problems with all the updates I I even did every thing u all suggested on this forum still did not fix it. I send it back got a new one same jog wheel problem to bad I had to send it back I really loved that controlla even my friend who had the sr2 was about to get one
577er 4:39 PM - 16 April, 2020
I did have to do the software downgrade and then upgrade one version at a time. Otherwise there was zero jogwheel response. But after that it worked.
NukeBox 3:14 AM - 17 April, 2020
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Good to hear u all have no problems with this he primo I buy the primo January and the jogwheels was still giving problems with all the updates I I even did every thing u all suggested on this forum still did not fix it. I send it back got a new one same jog wheel problem to bad I had to send it back I really loved that controlla even my friend who had the sr2 was about to get one


You should've visited the facebook group, there's fullest available info there. There is some specifics with this controller's jog calibration. Sometimes it just need a careful manual one.
ron koss 10:02 PM - 17 April, 2020
Hi ,

I showed the installation of mini innofader plus on the primo, it’s posted on the facebook group mixars primo users.
good scratch everyone 😜
ron koss 10:21 PM - 17 April, 2020
My primo was sold with the 1.14 installed. everything works fine without having to do anything.
I downloaded all the firmware and java for case of problems when I go to another place with it, but I think that everything will be fine!
ron koss 10:22 PM - 17 April, 2020
Sound and building so good 👍
nostyle 2:19 AM - 21 April, 2020
Been having some problems with this controller - on 1.12 today vinyl mode disappeared on the right deck while scratching behaved as if it was in non-vinyl mode even tho Vinyl button was lit. On 1.13 got an odd bit crusher- like distortion for short periods of time on both channels, and tracks completely stopping on the left deck while reversing and fast forewarding the jog in vinyl mode and then the play button not working. maybe it's time to go to 1.14 and see if it sorts out the bugs.
DJ Tecniq 10:54 AM - 21 April, 2020
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Been having some problems with this controller - on 1.12 today vinyl mode disappeared on the right deck while scratching behaved as if it was in non-vinyl mode even tho Vinyl button was lit. On 1.13 got an odd bit crusher- like distortion for short periods of time on both channels, and tracks completely stopping on the left deck while reversing and fast forewarding the jog in vinyl mode and then the play button not working. maybe it's time to go to 1.14 and see if it sorts out the bugs.
Would recommend 1.14 but also do the jogwheel calibration.
Res-Q 7:32 AM - 23 April, 2020
Je poste en français juste pour m'amuser

Respect à tous les DJ ouverts d'esprit

Love my Primo, best bang for the buck yeeeeah
Aligan 9:16 AM - 23 April, 2020
Et vive le Québec libre ! 🇫🇷🎉🇫🇷
nostyle 8:00 PM - 24 April, 2020
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Been having some problems with this controller - on 1.12 today vinyl mode disappeared on the right deck while scratching behaved as if it was in non-vinyl mode even tho Vinyl button was lit. On 1.13 got an odd bit crusher- like distortion for short periods of time on both channels, and tracks completely stopping on the left deck while reversing and fast forewarding the jog in vinyl mode and then the play button not working. maybe it's time to go to 1.14 and see if it sorts out the bugs.
Would recommend 1.14 but also do the jogwheel calibration.



Thanks, 1.14 with the auto-cal was solid, then did the manual-calibration and the response is great and no bugs so far, fingers crossed.

Couple things I wonder if Mixars could change is via firmware is.....
1. Make the 4 hardware effects buttons midi-mappable.

2. Make the center jogwheel screen enhanced with a couple of user options:
a. could have the mixars logo rotate with the current jog edge lights to enhance visual tracking.
b. put a visible precise line or inverted blue triangle rotating instead of the logo as a tracking marker.
c. have option to show pitch% and bpm to 2 decimal places(with option to show both or only one or the other)
d. option to show DJ's logo/pic spinning or stationary in the jog center
e. ability to change color of logo jog lights(in VDJ one side is in red the other in mixar's blue)

3, Improve the on-board effects (echo etc.)
Ollieboy 9:45 PM - 24 April, 2020
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Been having some problems with this controller - on 1.12 today vinyl mode disappeared on the right deck while scratching behaved as if it was in non-vinyl mode even tho Vinyl button was lit. On 1.13 got an odd bit crusher- like distortion for short periods of time on both channels, and tracks completely stopping on the left deck while reversing and fast forewarding the jog in vinyl mode and then the play button not working. maybe it's time to go to 1.14 and see if it sorts out the bugs.
Would recommend 1.14 but also do the jogwheel calibration.



Thanks, 1.14 with the auto-cal was solid, then did the manual-calibration and the response is great and no bugs so far, fingers crossed.

Couple things I wonder if Mixars could change is via firmware is.....
1. Make the 4 hardware effects buttons midi-mappable.

2. Make the center jogwheel screen enhanced with a couple of user options:
a. could have the mixars logo rotate with the current jog edge lights to enhance visual tracking.
b. put a visible precise line or inverted blue triangle rotating instead of the logo as a tracking marker.
c. have option to show pitch% and bpm to 2 decimal places(with option to show both or only one or the other)
d. option to show DJ's logo/pic spinning or stationary in the jog center
e. ability to change color of logo jog lights(in VDJ one side is in red the other in mixar's blue)

3, Improve the on-board effects (echo etc.)

#3 is a must. The on board echo effects suck and the filter is to sensitive. Not to mention you have to reengage the knob to get it back to 0 fx.
DJ Tecniq 10:13 PM - 24 April, 2020
You can midi map the filter know to SDJs filter
DJ Tecniq 10:14 PM - 24 April, 2020
Knob*
v@l 3:56 PM - 25 April, 2020
I messaged about the onboard effects let's see what comes back..
pierrem 1:33 PM - 18 June, 2020
New firmware available:

FW V1.16 Date 17/06/2020
-Fixed a problem that the sound texture FX (ECHO, CRUSH) not turning off at middle position.
577er 1:27 AM - 19 June, 2020
Nice!

I’ve really come to like this controller this fix will make it that much better.
ron koss 12:30 PM - 20 June, 2020
Very good controller . Yesterday , 5h dj set in a bar, no problem , good sound, good jog 👍
With mini inno it’s so great
Mm3 4:46 PM - 22 June, 2020
So did the firmware really fix issue with effect not turning off at 12oclock position? This was one of the main reason I returned the 2 units i had. Love this controller otherwise!

Considering buying again if this issue was resolved.
Mm3 4:46 PM - 22 June, 2020
So did the firmware really fix issue with effect not turning off at 12oclock position? This was one of the main reason I returned the 2 units i had. Love this controller otherwise!

Considering buying again if this issue was resolved.
Mm3 4:48 PM - 22 June, 2020
Apologize but not Sure why Post posted several times...
djstefy74 6:43 PM - 22 June, 2020
Yes!Fx don't bleeding anyway
ron koss 6:47 PM - 22 June, 2020
i did the update 1.16 yesterday and yes it corrects the effects, it stops well when we give the knob at 12 noon, it's perfect!
the crush is also very usable, the echo behaves like the dub echo of the pioneers, and the filter is pretty cool. I don’t like noize fx
Mm3 8:37 PM - 22 June, 2020
Awesome! Thanks guys!
577er 2:50 AM - 23 June, 2020
Just installed 1.6 on the Primo, the filter / echo / noise / crush dial now works as it should! Thanks for the heads up ron.
kure 7:03 AM - 23 June, 2020
Random question, as I’m debating getting the primo as my DVS controller for my CDjs (vs the numark scratch).

Are the jogs as good as the Vestax VCI 300/380 for scratching ? That to me was the gold standard for compact controllers with good jog wheels.
577er 2:31 PM - 23 June, 2020
Very different jogs, the Primo jogs are tight compared to the 380. No adjustments possible. They are very responsive but don’t have the same feel at all.
nostyle 12:50 AM - 24 June, 2020
Did they change anything about the quality of the effects or how quickly they reach full effect with a slight knob turn right/left? Or is this update only fixing the fx knob bleed at 12 o 'clock?
nostyle 12:50 AM - 24 June, 2020
Did they change anything about the quality of the effects or how quickly they reach full effect with a slight knob turn right/left? Or is this update only fixing the fx knob bleed at 12 o 'clock?
577er 4:05 AM - 24 June, 2020
The effects have a normal operating range on v1.6
ron koss 8:39 AM - 24 June, 2020
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Yes it’s better . The crush is ok now ! And all fx are better . But noize i don’t like (on pioneer to , for me it’s just noize ! )
ron koss 8:43 AM - 24 June, 2020
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Les jogs sont-ils aussi bons que le Vestax VCI 300/380 pour se gratter? </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">C'était pour moi l'étalon-or des contrôleurs compacts avec de bonnes jog wheel.
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I never use vestax vci but primo’s jog is ok for scratching . With led on jog you can see where you have to go , it’s good.
I gonna make a little scratch video soon to show you (i’m not Q-Bert or dj Fly but just to have an idea ;)
DJ Tecniq 9:09 AM - 24 June, 2020
I made a short mix awhile back when i first got mine this was before the Innofader. You can’t really do backspins with the jogs but they are def functional for scratching
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ron koss 2:38 PM - 24 June, 2020
Dope Techniq !!

This my video ... just for fun
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DJ Tecniq 4:56 PM - 24 June, 2020
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Dope Techniq !!

This my video ... just for fun
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Fire cuts bro. Innofader with diff cap correct?
DJ Tecniq 4:56 PM - 24 June, 2020
Fader cap*
DJ Nin 4:57 PM - 24 June, 2020
Ironically, I just updated to Firmware v1.15 a few days before 1.16 was released.

Was all good initially, then the dreaded left jog issue started happening again. Ugh. I'm gonna try to manually recalibrate to see if that makes any difference.

Also my Serato effects weren't working on the left deck either. Weird. 1st time I've ever experienced that.
ron koss 8:06 PM - 24 June, 2020
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Dope Techniq !!

This my video ... just for fun
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Fire cuts bro. Innofader with diff cap correct?


Thank you ! It’s a innofader pro/pnp knob . I prefere big knob like s9, vestax pmc , etc ...
ron koss 8:07 PM - 24 June, 2020
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Dope Techniq !!

This my video ... just for fun
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Fire cuts bro. Innofader with diff cap correct?


Thank you ! It’s a innofader pro/pnp knob . I prefere big knob like s9, vestax pmc , etc ...


Cap sorry not knob !
ron koss 8:12 PM - 24 June, 2020
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Tout allait bien au début, puis le redouté problème de footing gauche a recommencé à se produire. </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Pouah. </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Je vais essayer de recalibrer manuellement pour voir si cela fait une différence. </font></font>
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Try with 1.16 . I think it’s a better way . You can also downgrade the firmware (all archive are already on mixars website )
NukeBox 4:13 AM - 25 June, 2020
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Ironically, I just updated to Firmware v1.15 a few days before 1.16 was released.

Was all good initially, then the dreaded left jog issue started happening again. Ugh. I'm gonna try to manually recalibrate to see if that makes any difference.

Also my Serato effects weren't working on the left deck either. Weird. 1st time I've ever experienced that.


From what FW did you upgraded? If from 1.12 then you really should've gone 1.13 first, then calibrate jogs, then 1.15. You'll better roll back to your pervious firmware and start updates in sequential order, making calibration after each one.
ron koss 7:42 AM - 25 June, 2020
I upgrade from 1.14 to 1.16 directly, and no problem . But my unit come directly with 1.14 . I buy my primo in april 2020
NukeBox 10:09 AM - 25 June, 2020
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I upgrade from 1.14 to 1.16 directly, and no problem . But my unit come directly with 1.14 . I buy my primo in april 2020

From 1.14 to 1.16 transition is bound to be smooth. It's from 1.12 and lower that'll make you problems.
DJ Nin 3:11 PM - 25 June, 2020
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Ironically, I just updated to Firmware v1.15 a few days before 1.16 was released.

Was all good initially, then the dreaded left jog issue started happening again. Ugh. I'm gonna try to manually recalibrate to see if that makes any difference.

Also my Serato effects weren't working on the left deck either. Weird. 1st time I've ever experienced that.


From what FW did you upgraded? If from 1.12 then you really should've gone 1.13 first, then calibrate jogs, then 1.15. You'll better roll back to your pervious firmware and start updates in sequential order, making calibration after each one.

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Ironically, I just updated to Firmware v1.15 a few days before 1.16 was released.

Was all good initially, then the dreaded left jog issue started happening again. Ugh. I'm gonna try to manually recalibrate to see if that makes any difference.

Also my Serato effects weren't working on the left deck either. Weird. 1st time I've ever experienced that.


From what FW did you upgraded? If from 1.12 then you really should've gone 1.13 first, then calibrate jogs, then 1.15. You'll better roll back to your pervious firmware and start updates in sequential order, making calibration after each one.


I think it was 1.12. I'll try this and see what happens.
DJ JulioYEG 11:03 PM - 26 June, 2020
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Random question, as I’m debating getting the primo as my DVS controller for my CDjs (vs the numark scratch).

id get the scratch because its a battle mixer and ment to be in between 2 tts.
DJ Tecniq 12:05 AM - 27 June, 2020
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Random question, as I’m debating getting the primo as my DVS controller for my CDjs (vs the numark scratch).

id get the scratch because its a battle mixer and ment to be in between 2 tts.
Primo needs the DVS expansion pack then again Numark Scratch does not as its DVS compatible. The mixer would be a great idea however with the Primo you’re gaining a bit more as it also can be used standalone or as a controller.
ron koss 9:20 AM - 27 June, 2020
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id obtenir le scratch parce que c'est un mélangeur de bataille et ment pour être entre 2 tts.</font></font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">
Primo a besoin du pack d'extension DVS, puis Numark Scratch n'est pas compatible DVS. </font><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Le mélangeur serait une excellente idée, mais avec le Primo, vous gagnez un peu plus car il peut également être utilisé de manière autonome ou en tant que contrôleur.
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I agree with that ! And primo have more control for SDJ Pro (6 independant fx, beat fx control , color fx, beat jump etc ...)
And all with post crossfader et post fader
Jay-BB 5:30 PM - 27 June, 2020
Hey all,
Complete beginner here. I bought a Mixars Primo this week.

I've set everything up and there no sound coming out of my JBL speakers or headphones when tracks are playing in serato! Very frustrating. I'll give as much info as I can if that helps.

I installed the latest firmware in the controller and downloaded serato dj pro. I checked the audio routing was set to serato like it says in the manual.

On the surface everything looks fine, serato is detecting the controller hardware no issue. The controller buttons all seem to be working fine and this is shown by serato reacting accordingly on the laptop. Just no sound.

If I play a YouTube video on the laptop or play any audio other than Serato the sound is coming through the controller to the headphones and speakers fine when it's connected via USB. Also, if I attach my phone to the aux port on the controller, I can play music through this with no issues as well, so sound can definitely come through it.

So it would appear the issue is with serato when controller is connected. Serato plays fine out of the laptop speakers when the controller is disconnected. I read that if you disable the controller as the audio output in windows that could fix it, but nothing.

I even tried installing it all on an old mac as well and I had the exact same issue.

I deleted and reinstalled serato pro too.

Have any of you experienced this problem before?

Am I missing something really obvious here like a setting? Or is it likely an issue with the controller itself?

Really frustrated with this guys so any help is appreciated, thanks.
DJ Tecniq 6:31 PM - 27 June, 2020
Did you check your gain levels or master level on the primo?
dj_soo 6:37 PM - 27 June, 2020
you have the speakers connected to the controller and not you laptop right?
dj_soo 6:39 PM - 27 June, 2020
also some idiot-basic ideas:

gain up?

headphone volume up?

headphone cue on?

headphone cue/master set to cue?

crossfader centred? Line fader up?

Master volume turned up?
Jay-BB 9:34 PM - 27 June, 2020
It literally was just adjusting volume controls. Urgh I'm a dope. Thank you so much guys!
CU-3 3:45 AM - 30 July, 2020
After weeks of research (and reading through this thread), I finally picked up the Mixars Primo from TheDJHookup. I’ve been having a lot of fun with it, but I keep running into an intermittent issue

The Left deck will just randomly die out (all lights on the left side of the controller turn off). The workaround is to toggle the left deck Input Switch until the lights turn on again, but then there’s no audio from the left deck. To fix that, I have to power down/power up the controller again and it will start functioning (until the next random shutdown).

- Serato DJ Pro most current version
- Mixars Primo Firmware 1.16
- Windows 10
- I’ve done the jog wheel calibration several times
- The controller is powered by USB (I’ve purposely been testing it without the AC adapter)

Has anyone run into this issue before? I dig everything else about this controller, but the way this dies out randomly is a deal breaker for me.
NukeBox 7:07 AM - 30 July, 2020
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After weeks of research (and reading through this thread), I finally picked up the Mixars Primo from TheDJHookup. I’ve been having a lot of fun with it, but I keep running into an intermittent issue

The Left deck will just randomly die out (all lights on the left side of the controller turn off). The workaround is to toggle the left deck Input Switch until the lights turn on again, but then there’s no audio from the left deck. To fix that, I have to power down/power up the controller again and it will start functioning (until the next random shutdown).

- Serato DJ Pro most current version
- Mixars Primo Firmware 1.16
- Windows 10
- I’ve done the jog wheel calibration several times
- The controller is powered by USB (I’ve purposely been testing it without the AC adapter)

Has anyone run into this issue before? I dig everything else about this controller, but the way this dies out randomly is a deal breaker for me.


I'd recommend trying to "re-flush" controller with firmware, starting with 1.12 all the way to 1.16. BTW did it came with 1.16 or you upgraded from some other FW? If nothing helps then this is, most likely, a warranty case.
ron koss 12:45 PM - 30 July, 2020
No probleme with primo for me . Hope it will be ok for you soon
CU-3 1:53 PM - 30 July, 2020
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I'd recommend trying to "re-flush" controller with firmware, starting with 1.12 all the way to 1.16. BTW did it came with 1.16 or you upgraded from some other FW? If nothing helps then this is, most likely, a warranty case.


When it arrived, there was an included printout that recommended to first calibrate the jog wheels. The method to do it (hold down Noise & Filter, power on) didn’t work, so I assumed it was a Firmware issue. When going through the FW upgrade process, I thought I saw it was on version 1.18 (I’ve since overwrote the FW and don’t see a 1.18 on Mixars site, so can’t confirm anymore). Anyway, I stepped through each version starting from 1.09 without skipping, and made it through to 1.16

Thanks for your reply, I’ll try to ”reflush” it again today. I’ll also try a different USB cable too, maybe it’s an issue with the controller not getting enough power.
DJ Tecniq 7:00 PM - 30 July, 2020
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I'd recommend trying to "re-flush" controller with firmware, starting with 1.12 all the way to 1.16. BTW did it came with 1.16 or you upgraded from some other FW? If nothing helps then this is, most likely, a warranty case.


When it arrived, there was an included printout that recommended to first calibrate the jog wheels. The method to do it (hold down Noise & Filter, power on) didn’t work, so I assumed it was a Firmware issue. When going through the FW upgrade process, I thought I saw it was on version 1.18 (I’ve since overwrote the FW and don’t see a 1.18 on Mixars site, so can’t confirm anymore). Anyway, I stepped through each version starting from 1.09 without skipping, and made it through to 1.16

Thanks for your reply, I’ll try to ”reflush” it again today. I’ll also try a different USB cable too, maybe it’s an issue with the controller not getting enough power.
Hey Bud, I have the same primo it was also purchased from djhookup however when i received mine the jogwheels never gave me a problem it just worked i think I’m on 1.14 firmware and never did any updates afterward. It sounds like it could be a hardware issue. If you can repeat the problem I would email djhookup of your issues I’m sure they would switch it out per the return policy. Hope you at least resolve the issues.
DJ Tecniq 7:03 PM - 30 July, 2020
The only thing that is different with our setups is I’m on Mac. This grounding/jogwheel issue from what I’ve seen so far has been mostly PCs.
CU-3 7:22 PM - 30 July, 2020
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Hey Bud, I have the same primo it was also purchased from djhookup however when i received mine the jogwheels never gave me a problem it just worked i think I’m on 1.14 firmware and never did any updates afterward. It sounds like it could be a hardware issue. If you can repeat the problem I would email djhookup of your issues I’m sure they would switch it out per the return policy. Hope you at least resolve the issues.


Hey whats up man, it was actually some of your posts/reviews that ultimately pushed me towards the primo. Appreciate your input through this thread!

Now that you mentioned it, a grounding issue does seem possible considering where the USB port is located in respect to the Left deck and its Input switch. I could just be grasping at anything to find a reason too, hah.

I ran through the Firmware updates up until 1.14, since that appears to be most peoples' "sweet spot" with the Firmware versions, so I stopped there. I'll give it another go around the next few days and see if the Left deck shuts down again at some point.
DJ Tecniq 7:40 PM - 30 July, 2020
Have you tried switching USB ports?
CU-3 8:01 PM - 30 July, 2020
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Have you tried switching USB ports?


Not yet, but I’ll add that to the list of things to try. I’m hoping it’s something as simple as this to avoid the whole return/exchange process. This has been one of the few things keeping me sane during the pandemic.
DJ Tecniq 8:05 PM - 30 July, 2020
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Have you tried switching USB ports?


Not yet, but I’ll add that to the list of things to try. I’m hoping it’s something as simple as this to avoid the whole return/exchange process. This has been one of the few things keeping me sane during the pandemic.
I did find this and it looks like a hardware or calibration problem
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DJ Tecniq 8:08 PM - 30 July, 2020
I recommend you watch this clip too. Best of luck
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577er 9:16 PM - 30 July, 2020
Highly recommend upgrading to 1.16! Solves all of the issues with the filer & effects not working properly. You can always go back down if you have problems.
NukeBox 1:28 AM - 31 July, 2020
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Highly recommend upgrading to 1.16! Solves all of the issues with the filer & effects not working properly. You can always go back down if you have problems.


If unit will work fine with 1.14 only then he should upgrade to 1.16. Hope that's just FW gone wrong, and not HW stuff.
577er 3:31 PM - 31 July, 2020
True. It sounds like there were many (most?) units with FW issues out of the box and a few with HW issues as well. Still a great unit once you get the FW sorted.
DJ Tecniq 5:20 PM - 31 July, 2020
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True. It sounds like there were many (most?) units with FW issues out of the box and a few with HW issues as well. Still a great unit once you get the FW sorted.
Yeah I don’t doubt some units are defective I just bought the 1000srt and the jogwheels were extremely loose so i returned it for a better one. New unit is solid. Unfortunately there’s defects in all products, thorough testing these devices are important.
NukeBox 7:37 PM - 31 July, 2020
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True. It sounds like there were many (most?) units with FW issues out of the box and a few with HW issues as well. Still a great unit once you get the FW sorted.
Yeah I don’t doubt some units are defective I just bought the 1000srt and the jogwheels were extremely loose so i returned it for a better one. New unit is solid. Unfortunately there’s defects in all products, thorough testing these devices are important.


True. That's what warranty is for. I think Pio looks more reliable because of larger userbase, where people with issues don't stand out that much. And IMO Primo is the unit that deserves second chance, even if you'll have to wait a little bit more. But i still hope that total FW reinstall would help.
CU-3 4:26 PM - 7 August, 2020
I appreciate all the suggestions and advice that's been shared here since I posted. I just wanted to give an update for anyone interested; or for anyone in the future that might run into the same.

i've used the Primo several times (few hrs/each) since making the following adjustments and haven't had the left deck shut down on me yet
- downgraded FW to 1.14 ("reflushing" starting from 1.09)
- swapped out the USB cable for a new one
- swapped out speaker cables; I previously had RCAs with TRS adapters on each end. i bought dedicated TRS male (into my monitors) to XLR female (into the Primo). theyre connected to powered studio monitors; something i forgot to mention initially
- recalibrated the jog wheels

now I can't say for certain any of these changes definitively 'fixed' the issue, but I just haven't had the Primo left deck die since. Hopefully it stays this way after my return/exchange window closes.
CU-3 4:01 PM - 14 August, 2020
Another quick update- the Left Deck died on me a few times since my last post. FWIW, these last times, it didn't die mid-use, rather it occurred when powering up the unit (during/after Serato loads up on the laptop).

I've been in contact with TheDJHookup since, and now they're ultimately pointing me back to Mixars to deal with the issue (because warranty). I've sent a message via the Mixware site, hopefully it went through ...hard to tell since their website is not the best -__-

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I appreciate all the suggestions and advice that's been shared here since I posted. I just wanted to give an update for anyone interested; or for anyone in the future that might run into the same.

i've used the Primo several times (few hrs/each) since making the following adjustments and haven't had the left deck shut down on me yet
- downgraded FW to 1.14 ("reflushing" starting from 1.09)
- swapped out the USB cable for a new one
- swapped out speaker cables; I previously had RCAs with TRS adapters on each end. i bought dedicated TRS male (into my monitors) to XLR female (into the Primo). theyre connected to powered studio monitors; something i forgot to mention initially
- recalibrated the jog wheels

now I can't say for certain any of these changes definitively 'fixed' the issue, but I just haven't had the Primo left deck die since. Hopefully it stays this way after my return/exchange window closes.
mixgoonie 5:22 PM - 14 August, 2020
It is probably not as good but I should then go for a Hercules Inpulse 500 :)
DJ Tecniq 6:14 PM - 14 August, 2020
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It is probably not as good but I should then go for a Hercules Inpulse 500 :)
Keep in mind no dvs on the Hercules deck.
mixgoonie 9:42 PM - 14 August, 2020
I don't need DVS :) only a portable controller.
NukeBox 8:42 AM - 15 August, 2020
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It is probably not as good but I should then go for a Hercules Inpulse 500 :)

And still you would participate in a happy "wouldn't i get a lemon" lottery) There is no guaranteed 100% out of the box working unit. You're basically giving a chance to any unit you buy. That said- if you do not need XLR outputs, DVS or full-range pitch, and do not need 3 fx/deck then Inpulse 500 is a monster among budget gear.
NukeBox 8:47 AM - 15 August, 2020
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Another quick update- the Left Deck died on me a few times since my last post. FWIW, these last times, it didn't die mid-use, rather it occurred when powering up the unit (during/after Serato loads up on the laptop).

I've been in contact with TheDJHookup since, and now they're ultimately pointing me back to Mixars to deal with the issue (because warranty). I've sent a message via the Mixware site, hopefully it went through ...hard to tell since their website is not the best -__-


Do not use site, it's cr...Bad. Contact Mixars via their facebook page, it's the quickest way to resolve your issue.
CU-3 3:33 PM - 15 August, 2020
hah, that’s being generous 😆. I’ll go the FB route if I don’t hear back by Monday. thanks!

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mixgoonie 6:38 AM - 16 August, 2020
By the way it seems that VDJ has less issues, has some people being able to confirm this ?
Djkom 12:56 PM - 17 August, 2020
Can someone explain me why the 12s are still as heavy as a regular turntable ???
The 12s don't have to be that heavy !! They don't need extra weight to avoid rumble or anything else.
As a mobile dj, I need the save my back and healthy 😅

So a lighter Rane 9/10 will be highly appreciated...
Maybe I should try the sc6000m but the 8.5inch platter and this big ass screen are maybe useless
Djkom 12:56 PM - 17 August, 2020
Can someone explain me why the 12s are still as heavy as a regular turntable ???
The 12s don't have to be that heavy !! They don't need extra weight to avoid rumble or anything else.
As a mobile dj, I need the save my back and healthy 😅

So a lighter Rane 9/10 will be highly appreciated...
Maybe I should try the sc6000m but the 8.5inch platter and this big ass screen are maybe useless
Djkom 2:38 PM - 17 August, 2020
Sorry wrong section and double post...
Sound-Raider 11:20 AM - 3 September, 2020
On thing ahead, I find it very unpolite of users dropping in and just posting their french stuff without taking some time and translating it into English prior, which is the language of this thread as well as main world language, before. I am a german guy and would never post anything in a different language than English here, because it is arrogant to thing the majority should do extra work just because the minority is too lazy to translate. Everything what metroplex2005 posted was legit and calling him a racist for things he stated correctly is just utterly dumb. Please keep this thread clean and easy to understand for everyone, thank you.

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Now for the Mixar, I am heavily interested in buying one, as DDJ-SX1 user, which has served me well, but is becoming booring and I do not need those 4 channels. In addition, as long the Denon Prime 2 doesn't support SDJ Pro (why only the bulky Prime 4..?) I have the plan to rather get a smaller 2-channel controller and simply hock a SC5000 on that as backup and fun-deck (has dual mode, so can use both inputs).

Only thing coming into my mind are the DDJ-SR2 (I like its design, but sound quality seems bad and why on earth can't you use EQ and Filter during standalone, for that premium price?) and, well, the Mixars Primo. Which can do many things much better than the SR2 while costing less and being more portable. Just anxious about those jog issues. I barely use Vinyl mode as wedding and club/edm-DJ, but complete failures are inacceptable. So happy to read more user reviews and experiences! I have a 2015 MBP and USB-cables with integrated filters (if that helps a bit against electrostatic issues)...
mixgoonie 4:35 PM - 3 September, 2020
Me too interested but we don't see many videos on YouTube about this device
NukeBox 6:45 PM - 3 September, 2020
Well, Mixars sure could learn a thing or two from Pio's marketing team) Most of good info/review/opinions can be found at facebook Primo users group. But if you need summary: jogs are mostly software thing, some units have a little hardware issue, but users already corrected it (westell from this very thread even did a cool video on this issue) although it's still recommended to replace unit under warranty. Second weak point of this unit is crossfader. It starts to bleed fairly quickly (for some users) if used actively. But most users that are serious about their scratch install innofader anyways. These are two most commonly encountered issues, most of the jog ones are solved fairly easily, and even crossfader can be helped with some deoxit. And there is lot of users who haven't any issues at all. And as a mobile DJ myself i have to tell that this sound, pitch faders and aux channel are well worth some risk. After all even SR2 is not guaranteed to be a trouble-free unit)
westell54 6:23 AM - 4 September, 2020
The Primo is a very decent unit. If you don't have issues with the platters, you'll be extremely happy with the sound and build quality. Drop an Innofader in it and you'll have it for as long as you want. It has replaced my VCI-380 for mobile use and it's mostly because of the USB power capability. Pioneer SR-2 doesn't have the platter ring or the sound quality of the Primo. The effects built into the unit need updating, but hopefully they continue to update the firmware of the unit.

It might sound like it has problems, but I'm just being open and honest about it. Plus there aren't a ton of videos about it on the web because it's just a controller. How much can you really say about a midi controller. After a while, that's all they really are, except the Primo can be used as a standalone mixer if you wanted. You could power it from a portable USB battery with a couple of portable turntables.

Sorry for rambling... hopefully it helped though.
westell54 6:23 AM - 4 September, 2020
The Primo is a very decent unit. If you don't have issues with the platters, you'll be extremely happy with the sound and build quality. Drop an Innofader in it and you'll have it for as long as you want. It has replaced my VCI-380 for mobile use and it's mostly because of the USB power capability. Pioneer SR-2 doesn't have the platter ring or the sound quality of the Primo. The effects built into the unit need updating, but hopefully they continue to update the firmware of the unit.

It might sound like it has problems, but I'm just being open and honest about it. Plus there aren't a ton of videos about it on the web because it's just a controller. How much can you really say about a midi controller. After a while, that's all they really are, except the Primo can be used as a standalone mixer if you wanted. You could power it from a portable USB battery with a couple of portable turntables.

Sorry for rambling... hopefully it helped though.
westell54 6:25 AM - 4 September, 2020
How did that happen? Sorry all...
Djkom 11:25 AM - 4 September, 2020
I'm the one who has issues with the right jog ... It's really annoying even after calibration with the most sensitive setting and the latest firmware 1.16...

So after almost 10 years I have to say the vci 380 is still the best compact controller ever !!!
Really sad Vestax is gone and not a single other company could have provide a better compact controller because they think this size is only for beginners or low end market so they don't invest much on quality and features...
577er 1:56 PM - 4 September, 2020
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I'm the one who has issues with the right jog ... It's really annoying even after calibration with the most sensitive setting and the latest firmware 1.16...

So after almost 10 years I have to say the vci 380 is still the best compact controller ever !!!
Really sad Vestax is gone and not a single other company could have provide a better compact controller because they think this size is only for beginners or low end market so they don't invest much on quality and features...


The Primo is currently my favorite controller I own but I really loved the VCI380. However I had two VCI380s go bad on me so I’d say that it wasn’t problem free either. The VCI380’s problems were all hardwear as opposed to software or firmware if I remember correctly.

The Primo definitely feels like the only follow up to the VCI380 in terms of size, features & quality.
dj_soo 8:04 PM - 4 September, 2020
I also owned two 380s and they both went bad in the same ways. The headphone and cue/master knob would short super easily and there was a persistent, random issue of the cue signal bleeding through into the XLR master output on both units at a distorted and high volume.

From a feel perspective, it’s definitely my favourite jogs, but it was never the best made mixer.
NukeBox 11:13 PM - 4 September, 2020
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I'm the one who has issues with the right jog ... It's really annoying even after calibration with the most sensitive setting and the latest firmware 1.16...

So after almost 10 years I have to say the vci 380 is still the best compact controller ever !!!
Really sad Vestax is gone and not a single other company could have provide a better compact controller because they think this size is only for beginners or low end market so they don't invest much on quality and features...


Probably you got unit with hardware trouble. It is user-fixable, but better use your warranty.
Sound-Raider 2:30 PM - 8 September, 2020
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Sorry for rambling... hopefully it helped though.

Not rambling at all, thank you for your opinion actually! This doesn't sound that bad. I just had been a little bit anxious about some reported deck freezes (stopping to work entirely until hard reboot), although these seemed to be very rare cases. And it is correct that no manufcator is entirely flawless :)

Speaking about some jog issues, does this only apply for Vinly mode / scratching? As a wedding and club/edm DJ, I don't care much about that, only using the jog for pitchbending or setting Cues in Pause mode, as long accuracy errors are just moderate, I think I can totally live with that.

Again, the cheap price (<390€ in Germany) combined with the great flexibility/IO/sound and full Serato DJ Pro support is just impressive, this puts the DDJ-SR/SR2 into real shame considering you pay over 200 bucks extra and get smaller pitch faders and level meters, no animated Jog LEDs, inferior Mic section + sound and most of all, lack of EQ/Filter control when routing external sources.
NukeBox 4:06 PM - 8 September, 2020
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Sorry for rambling... hopefully it helped though.

Not rambling at all, thank you for your opinion actually! This doesn't sound that bad. I just had been a little bit anxious about some reported deck freezes (stopping to work entirely until hard reboot), although these seemed to be very rare cases. And it is correct that no manufcator is entirely flawless :)

Speaking about some jog issues, does this only apply for Vinly mode / scratching? As a wedding and club/edm DJ, I don't care much about that, only using the jog for pitchbending or setting Cues in Pause mode, as long accuracy errors are just moderate, I think I can totally live with that.

Again, the cheap price (<390€ in Germany) combined with the great flexibility/IO/sound and full Serato DJ Pro support is just impressive, this puts the DDJ-SR/SR2 into real shame considering you pay over 200 bucks extra and get smaller pitch faders and level meters, no animated Jog LEDs, inferior Mic section + sound and most of all, lack of EQ/Filter control when routing external sources.


Stopping entirely is, actually, uncommon thing. Grounding issues on the other hand are, but that's mostly due to people relying on the auto calibration. I'd say everything good that is in Primo is well worth the risk. After all that's what warranty is for )
the Snowman 12:21 AM - 9 September, 2020
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Well, Mixars sure could learn a thing or two from Pio's marketing team) Most of good info/review/opinions can be found at facebook Primo users group. But if you need summary: jogs are mostly software thing, some units have a little hardware issue, but users already corrected it (westell from this very thread even did a cool video on this issue) although it's still recommended to replace unit under warranty. Second weak point of this unit is crossfader. It starts to bleed fairly quickly (for some users) if used actively. But most users that are serious about their scratch install innofader anyways. These are two most commonly encountered issues, most of the jog ones are solved fairly easily, and even crossfader can be helped with some deoxit. And there is lot of users who haven't any issues at all. And as a mobile DJ myself i have to tell that this sound, pitch faders and aux channel are well worth some risk. After all even SR2 is not guaranteed to be a trouble-free unit)

I can confirm both of this issues. It IS a solid unit, but my first one I had issues with the jog wheels and had to return the unit. The second one the crossfader went after 2 months of very little use and almost no scratching (due to Covid-19 I have yet to play out with this unit). I am about to update to the innofader for the unit. So yeah, if you could sort those two things out, it is a good unit. Hoping future firmware will correct some other minor issues. All in all, this will be my go to unit for small gigs, and stay with my Reloop RP-8000's and Rane 70 for bigger gigs.
NukeBox 6:32 AM - 9 September, 2020
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Well, Mixars sure could learn a thing or two from Pio's marketing team) Most of good info/review/opinions can be found at facebook Primo users group. But if you need summary: jogs are mostly software thing, some units have a little hardware issue, but users already corrected it (westell from this very thread even did a cool video on this issue) although it's still recommended to replace unit under warranty. Second weak point of this unit is crossfader. It starts to bleed fairly quickly (for some users) if used actively. But most users that are serious about their scratch install innofader anyways. These are two most commonly encountered issues, most of the jog ones are solved fairly easily, and even crossfader can be helped with some deoxit. And there is lot of users who haven't any issues at all. And as a mobile DJ myself i have to tell that this sound, pitch faders and aux channel are well worth some risk. After all even SR2 is not guaranteed to be a trouble-free unit)

I can confirm both of this issues. It IS a solid unit, but my first one I had issues with the jog wheels and had to return the unit. The second one the crossfader went after 2 months of very little use and almost no scratching (due to Covid-19 I have yet to play out with this unit). I am about to update to the innofader for the unit. So yeah, if you could sort those two things out, it is a good unit. Hoping future firmware will correct some other minor issues. All in all, this will be my go to unit for small gigs, and stay with my Reloop RP-8000's and Rane 70 for bigger gigs.


I think crossfaders issues are so common because it have no freakin' dust protection. People say spraying deoxit helps to fix bleed
Sound-Raider 7:15 AM - 9 September, 2020
Ugh, I mean what are the Mixars Engineers smoking when not taking care of such basic things like a simple dust protection? I guess grounding issues vs capacitive jogwheels are of a much more complex challenge (though even my much older DDJ-SX has zero problems here), I can forgive that, but not things like a failing crossfader after just a few weeks or months.

Skimmed through the Facebook group, some users and the admin seem super helpful and nice, other users (again) seem too arrogant or lazy and simply speak french all the time without translating, even when people respond in English they just stick with French, so stubborn!

I would rather wish 1-2 official Mixars representants would provide some help and more updates, as long costumers are kept in insecurity, many people (incl. me) who like the Primo in general won't buy it.
NukeBox 1:48 PM - 9 September, 2020
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Ugh, I mean what are the Mixars Engineers smoking when not taking care of such basic things like a simple dust protection? I guess grounding issues vs capacitive jogwheels are of a much more complex challenge (though even my much older DDJ-SX has zero problems here), I can forgive that, but not things like a failing crossfader after just a few weeks or months.

Skimmed through the Facebook group, some users and the admin seem super helpful and nice, other users (again) seem too arrogant or lazy and simply speak french all the time without translating, even when people respond in English they just stick with French, so stubborn!

I would rather wish 1-2 official Mixars representants would provide some help and more updates, as long costumers are kept in insecurity, many people (incl. me) who like the Primo in general won't buy it.


Mixars do answer in facebook, but yup there is some lack of communication on their part. My guess is- budget. Costs have to be cut somewhere. Jogs is more of FW less of the HW question (and its actually Mixars lack of explanation about calibration and why you need a manual one). Crossfader is designed as "demo before you install innofader". IMO price difference with SR2 worth all of this hassle. Plus full pitch faders is noice.
ron koss 9:33 PM - 9 September, 2020
For serato english forum, i agree to speak english :)
But mixars primo user group facebook is not an english page ;)
My Primo work fine. sad to listen some issues for some users ... hope it will be ok soon with firmware update.
Good
ron koss 9:34 PM - 9 September, 2020
Good luck
Djkom 9:03 PM - 10 September, 2020
SiIly me !!! After months and months of bitching my Primo jogwheel issue, I've managed to get it right !!!

I've just simply calibrate the jogs in manual calibration WITH THE POWER SUPPLY and now it works like a charm !!!

Previously I'd tried hundred times to calibrate the jogs with only in USB powered mode.

Just need to put an innofader now to be perfect !
ron koss 12:52 PM - 11 September, 2020
Mini innofader Plus is a big update for primo . Just perfect .
I did a little explain Of inno installation on Mixars primo user facebook page . If you want to see that ;) .
ron koss 12:53 PM - 11 September, 2020
Mini innofader Plus is a big update for primo . Just perfect .
I did a little explain Of inno installation on Mixars primo user facebook page . If you want to see that ;) .
ron koss 12:55 PM - 11 September, 2020
Sorry for 3 post !
Djkom 2:11 PM - 11 September, 2020
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Mini innofader Plus is a big update for primo . Just perfect .
I did a little explain Of inno installation on Mixars primo user facebook page . If you want to see that ;) .


Thanks ;-)
ron koss 3:23 PM - 11 September, 2020
So the explain On facebook are in french sorry ^^
To hard for me to explain the process in english !
I know some people dislike this, but i prefere speak in french to share my experience als don’t share ;)
577er 3:55 PM - 11 September, 2020
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So the explain On facebook are in french sorry ^^
To hard for me to explain the process in english !
I know some people dislike this, but i prefere speak in french to share my experience als don’t share ;)


I would just ignore those who care if you use French. Most native English speakers aren’t exactly masters of the tongue themselves 😆
ron koss 9:54 PM - 11 September, 2020
Thank you bro ! 😂
wingcomm 10:11 PM - 17 September, 2020
Is the Primo a dead product? I can't seem to find it online anymore...
DJ Tecniq 12:04 AM - 18 September, 2020
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Is the Primo a dead product? I can't seem to find it online anymore...
Nope. Just checked Amazon still there
Laz219 12:41 AM - 18 September, 2020
Is mixars even still around as a company? Looks like their website is gone.
Laz219 12:42 AM - 18 September, 2020
Actually I take that back, it's loading now.
When I tried to look earlier it must have been down.
NukeBox 1:48 AM - 18 September, 2020
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Is the Primo a dead product? I can't seem to find it online anymore...

How so? It's pretty much in stock at Thomann.
ron koss 8:17 AM - 18 September, 2020
Still on sale yes .
Maybe a 4 channel version soon ?? With motorised jogwheel like s4 mk3 , it would be perfect !
577er 2:26 PM - 18 September, 2020
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Actually I take that back, it's loading now.
When I tried to look earlier it must have been down.


Mixars website has often re-directed me to spam sites 🤦‍♂️. It definitely gives off a very small company vibe but the Primo is a great controller!

Some retailers in the US have listed the primo as discontinued but that’s probably because they have stopped ordering them vs actually being discontinued. The “we stock everything model” is probably not viable in 2020.

That being said, if you want a Primo I wouldn’t wait, who knows how much longer these small electronics companies can hold on.
NukeBox 5:22 PM - 18 September, 2020
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Actually I take that back, it's loading now.
When I tried to look earlier it must have been down.


Mixars website has often re-directed me to spam sites 🤦‍♂️. It definitely gives off a very small company vibe but the Primo is a great controller!

Some retailers in the US have listed the primo as discontinued but that’s probably because they have stopped ordering them vs actually being discontinued. The “we stock everything model” is probably not viable in 2020.

That being said, if you want a Primo I wouldn’t wait, who knows how much longer these small electronics companies can hold on.


I do no think Mixars will go away so soon, after all it's part of RCF... But they might focus on their battle mixers, turntables etc. So it's really might be wise decision to grab Primo now. I do hope they will continue to make them tho. Won't want for people to be left one-on-one with SR2)
dj_soo 6:11 PM - 18 September, 2020
I heard that RCF divested from them a year or two ago - haven't found anything to back that up tho...
NukeBox 11:07 PM - 18 September, 2020
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I heard that RCF divested from them a year or two ago - haven't found anything to back that up tho...


Site still claims that Mixars is a part of RCF group. Think they'll redacted that if they were divested.
wingcomm 7:03 PM - 21 September, 2020
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Is the Primo a dead product? I can't seem to find it online anymore...
Nope. Just checked Amazon still there


Amazon has one from a third party seller which is always questionable.

No one else seems to have it...

B&H: www.bhphotovideo.com
IDJNow: www.idjnow.com
DJ Tecniq 9:47 PM - 21 September, 2020
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No one else seems to have it...
Not true. Multiple retailers still have primo in stock.

www.americanmusical.com

www.zzounds.com

thedjhookup.com
Fussion 5:20 AM - 9 October, 2020
Buenas noches

tengo un poblema con mi roland dj 505 al momento de tocar una pista , se traba y se para la pista , después ya no quiere agarrar el botón de play , no se si podrian ayudarme a solucionar el problema
DJ JulioYEG 7:42 AM - 9 October, 2020
^ his roland 505 lol wrong thread is freezing when touching the jog wheel. play button doesnt work
CU-3 3:53 PM - 13 October, 2020
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Not rambling at all, thank you for your opinion actually! This doesn't sound that bad. I just had been a little bit anxious about some reported deck freezes (stopping to work entirely until hard reboot), although these seemed to be very rare cases. And it is correct that no manufcator is entirely flawless :)

Speaking about some jog issues, does this only apply for Vinly mode / scratching? As a wedding and club/edm DJ, I don't care much about that, only using the jog for pitchbending or setting Cues in Pause mode, as long accuracy errors are just moderate, I think I can totally live with that.

Again, the cheap price (<390€ in Germany) combined with the great flexibility/IO/sound and full Serato DJ Pro support is just impressive, this puts the DDJ-SR/SR2 into real shame considering you pay over 200 bucks extra and get smaller pitch faders and level meters, no animated Jog LEDs, inferior Mic section + sound and most of all, lack of EQ/Filter control when routing external sources.


I'm the one with the deck freezes (left-deck completely shutting down) a couple posts up. If it helps, my specific issue was an uncommon (hardware) one that even the assigned Mixars tech hadn't come across before. Unreliable website aside, they were able to help (and were responsive) once I got in contact with them; the distributor (TheDJHookup.com) got me in touch with their Mixars rep.

I've had it back for about 2 weeks now (repaired under warranty), and so far so good. While I do prefer the feel of Pioneer jog wheels (looser, lighter, consistent tension between left/right wheels), the Primo is still a good controller for what your mentioned use will be. Its a great controller for its price point, and the recurring commentary on its sound quality being better than its relative competition is true.

FYI: The deck freezing issue was a result of a faulty switch (left-deck Input). Basically, anytime you applied pressure to that area of the controller (eg. pressing the Load button to load a track into the left-deck), it would short the entire left side of the controller.
wingcomm 5:21 AM - 20 October, 2020
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No one else seems to have it...
Not true. Multiple retailers still have primo in stock.

www.americanmusical.com

www.zzounds.com

thedjhookup.com


Did you actually check all of these links? They show final clearance, out of stock or blemished/used.
wingcomm 3:38 AM - 6 December, 2020
I ended up picking one of these up. It's going okay so far.

However, the unit came with firmware 1.18 out of the box and only version 1.16 is on the website. Anyone else running 1.18? Seems to be okay so far...
NukeBox 2:58 PM - 7 December, 2020
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I ended up picking one of these up. It's going okay so far.

However, the unit came with firmware 1.18 out of the box and only version 1.16 is on the website. Anyone else running 1.18? Seems to be okay so far...


1.18 is a version of fw loader. Boot unit in update mode to see your FW version
NukeBox 2:58 PM - 7 December, 2020
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I ended up picking one of these up. It's going okay so far.

However, the unit came with firmware 1.18 out of the box and only version 1.16 is on the website. Anyone else running 1.18? Seems to be okay so far...


1.18 is a version of fw loader. Boot unit in update mode to see your FW version
NukeBox 2:59 PM - 7 December, 2020
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I ended up picking one of these up. It's going okay so far.

However, the unit came with firmware 1.18 out of the box and only version 1.16 is on the website. Anyone else running 1.18? Seems to be okay so far...


1.18 is a version of fw loader. Boot unit in update mode to see your FW version


2020 and we still cant delete our posts here...
wingcomm 11:49 PM - 18 December, 2020
I will try that. Has anyone been brave enough to try their Primo on an M1 Mac?
mixgoonie 8:32 PM - 7 April, 2021
Does anyone has any update on the Mixars Primo sudden dissapearing ? only Musicstore seems to have some and on demand only. Any other store is telling that this product is not longer sold.

Are there any issues with the Mixars company ?
metroplex2005 9:03 PM - 7 April, 2021
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Are there any issues with the Mixars company ?

Most likely
ron koss 10:51 PM - 7 April, 2021
yes it seems to be over soon for mixars (to be confirmed)
That didn't stop me from buying a new quattro mixars for 500th, and it's a great mixer! (I have the first and a djm s9 too)

the quattro is frankly a beautiful table, robust and pleasant. send return + midi function, good combo
DJ Tecniq 12:13 AM - 8 April, 2021
Yes it’s true Mixars is done. But i may say the primo has a fantastic phono preamp and overall sound. Shit sounds better than my SRT...no lie 👌🏼
dj_soo 3:28 AM - 8 April, 2021
yea, mixars was pretty much done even before the pandemic. A shame cause they put out some great gear for an affordable price.
DJ Tecniq 5:23 AM - 8 April, 2021
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yea, mixars was pretty much done even before the pandemic. A shame cause they put out some great gear for an affordable price.
Agreed and the fact they were partnered with RCF they used HQ parts which is why their products sounded so good. Their website always got hacked too now it just redirects you to some spam shit. All along the rumors were true since a few years ago. Pandemic i bet put the nail in the coffin.
mixgoonie 7:43 AM - 8 April, 2021
That is really sad, this was the only small controller with quality build. I wanted to have something great on the move and the SR2 is too expensive, all the rest is cheaper and don't have XLR outputs :(
ron koss 10:10 AM - 8 April, 2021
Primo is still good , i have mine since 2 Years soon , and No problem.
If you purchase One, 2 Years of waranty is still in work, the dealer is the dealer 👍
mixgoonie 10:11 AM - 8 April, 2021
Yes but nobody has in stock currently, only on demand...

So that is no garuantee at all
ron koss 10:16 AM - 8 April, 2021
with Mixars, I have (or i had!) the impression that I was buying products at the right price.
I like my djm s9 but when I compare it to my quattro at 500 euros, I tell myself that it is not worth 1000 more!
But quattro, like primo and duo were more expensive when they were released, but today it's really unbeatable value for money.

stocks will have to run out, good deals are coming folks!
ron koss 10:18 AM - 8 April, 2021
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In Europa, we can find primo Quattro and duo... But maybe not in USA i don't Know
DJ Tecniq 4:09 PM - 8 April, 2021
Primo was hands down a better sounding controller than the SR2. At times i even think it sounds better than my SRT. The fact is Mixars/RCF used better parts the phono preamp on my SR2 was like a tin can compared to my Primo. No bullshit.
mixgoonie 12:53 PM - 9 April, 2021
With the Denon MC4000 who is also no longer sold, it seems that the small quality units are dissapearing...
dj_soo 5:54 PM - 9 April, 2021
just seems like people aren't interested in them which is too bad.
ron koss 12:55 PM - 10 April, 2021
I just need a good 2ch erato DJ pro controler with all function and hardware FX or send return .
Serato FX sucks...
Something like Rane One with send return or hardware FX ....
Just disappointed about serato FX for 1500. It's a joke
DJ Tecniq 5:11 PM - 10 April, 2021
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I just need a good 2ch erato DJ pro controler with all function and hardware FX or send return .
Serato FX sucks...
Something like Rane One with send return or hardware FX ....
Just disappointed about serato FX for 1500. It's a joke
Couldn't agree more they literally raped customers which is why i love the SRT🔥
DJ Tecniq 5:13 PM - 10 April, 2021
What i don’t like is all these expensive controllers are coming up and they add software fx only... software fx = cpu and id rather have less problems and rely on hardware fx.
metroplex2005 5:24 PM - 10 April, 2021
Because it is cheaper = more money.
DJ Tecniq 9:54 AM - 11 April, 2021
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Because it is cheaper = more money.
Rane One def not cheap. I hate Serato’s fx my SRT shits all over it. When you’re creating mixes the hardware fx sound so much better.
electro77 10:16 AM - 11 April, 2021
What sample rates does the Primo support?
metroplex2005 10:48 AM - 11 April, 2021
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Rane One def not cheap. I hate Serato’s fx my SRT shits all over it. When you’re creating mixes the hardware fx sound so much better.

For the most manufacturers it is much more cheaper to implement software fx instead of developing halfway decent or state of the art (pioneer) onboard effect units.
The profit is higher and you have less work/development as a manufacturer.
And most of the people are stupid as hell, buying every piece of sh*t, as long as there is a good marketing campain in social media, internet forums, sponsored reviews, ect....
Laz219 12:38 PM - 11 April, 2021
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Because it is cheaper = more money.
Rane One def not cheap. I hate Serato’s fx my SRT shits all over it. When you’re creating mixes the hardware fx sound so much better.



Profit vs Cost.
ron koss 6:42 AM - 12 April, 2021
Agree with that , but why Rane One or Reloop Élite or another premium Gear don't add a send return ?!!

For people don't really want to use effect, software Way is ok , but for people want to have this Gear with good FX , a send return will be the solution !
Add a Pioneer EFX 1000 or Rmx 500/1000 with Rane One or Reloop Élite , must have !
metroplex2005 11:36 AM - 12 April, 2021
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HellNegative1 4:20 PM - 12 April, 2021
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Agree with that , but why Rane One or Reloop Élite or another premium Gear don't add a send return ?!!

For people don't really want to use effect, software Way is ok , but for people want to have this Gear with good FX , a send return will be the solution !
Add a Pioneer EFX 1000 or Rmx 500/1000 with Rane One or Reloop Élite , must have !


Agreed. Not having a proper onboard FX processor while not having AUX Send/Return is perplexing.
dj_soo 10:41 PM - 12 April, 2021
i think send/returns - especially in scratch mixers - are going the way of things like eq kills and transform switches. Just something from a bygone era.
Dubbylabby 8:38 AM - 13 April, 2021
Like needles.
brianbatesd 9:25 PM - 13 April, 2021
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48kHz 24-bit
dj_soo 6:34 PM - 14 April, 2021
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Like needles.


I don't think needles are going anywhere soon. CDs might be a better example.
ron koss 6:59 PM - 14 April, 2021
Right . I use phase DJ but i still use needle for electro/techno DJ set .i think i'm not thé only One
Pepehouse 7:17 PM - 14 April, 2021
I'm suddenly interested in this controller, got the mc4000 but it's a bit small for my hands same for the cogwheels, the Primo seems to be bigger and bigger jogs as well while maintaining the same quality, I don't need neither want to spend money in a four channel machine.
Dubbylabby 9:08 PM - 14 April, 2021
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I don't think needles are going anywhere soon. CDs might be a better example.


I was trying to point is the same bygone era, also like cds which the latest cdj3000 also ditched. Phase, Twelve, Denons... all are targeting needles and there are very few companies still alive or releasing needles but we usually what we don't use but not what we use.

External fx loop is useful and will do a comeback but just not so profitable than virtualised fx...

;)
dj_soo 9:26 PM - 15 April, 2021
there's still enough of a turntablism and vinyl DJing presence - no matter how niche - that will keep the vinyl/needle world still alive.

None of the things out there - twelves, 6000ms, One, even the Phase come close to the feel of vinyl for turntablists imo.
Dubbylabby 9:44 AM - 16 April, 2021
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there's still enough of a turntablism and vinyl DJing presence - no matter how niche - that will keep the vinyl/needle world still alive.

None of the things out there - twelves, 6000ms, One, even the Phase come close to the feel of vinyl for turntablists imo.


I want to believe that too but 10 years ago turntablist said "portables aren't enough powerful for scratching" and now it seems like standard with people spending more money on tweak them than a 1200 second hand.

The point is turntables are getting more and more niche so stylus/needles for scratching (analog lovers for hifi is another topic) that translates into these proposals getting more and more refined. For me Phase is like timecode back in the day... an anomaly. Sweet anomaly leaving users extend their turntable life meanwhile other brands like Pioneer were pushing the cdj metaphor. After long time even Pioneer released turntables and battlemixers but my gut says "to flood every single gap in their brand supremacy". The "one dj brand" I pointed in other topics (IDK if here or NI forums, sorry)

So I don't want to kill needles and see the use for die hard scratch people but it's coming to a point that probably will be very hard to justify from the brand development cost vs revenue (and taking apart the old n2it lawsuit about timecode tech itself). In fact vinyl itself is hard to justify from climate change POV etc etc.

That's why I find interesting some parts of that "bygone era" you point are clear but others aren't. People asking for fx loop send return will probably survive Phase if even people who doesn't need fx loop are still defending the vinyl. Fx loop send return is analog so if you keep the needle, you should keep the fx loop. With needles and fx loop you can dj but with virtual fx (timecode and computers) you can be left behind after an update.

Did you see the paradox?

Needles are so obsolete than fx loop. Too much for some, too less for some others. Just a matter of POV.

I'm in the boat of "don't put audio interface inside a mixer" or almost made it class compliant. Best example: TTM57SL.

Don't kill needles if you don't bring standalone function like Denons or almost made it compatible with iPhones/Raspberry pi (we can say laptop but maybe a bit too expensive) so I can freeze it (switch off updates) and made it standalone like the One. Everything else is futurism until deprecated and then analog keeps working like the day one.
dj_soo 5:24 PM - 16 April, 2021
portables are not the same as switching to all digital.

There will undoubtedly come a time when vinyl might get entirely phased out, but that time is not now.
Dubbylabby 6:24 PM - 16 April, 2021
The same could be applied to Fx loop with the use of external guitar pedals or modular racks for signal processing. In fact I feel it has more users that options than turntables nowadays but as I said "it's a matter of perspective". We are here at Serato forums but just visit Audiob.us forum for Dawless iPad based setups (and the few interest on Djing as a whole) or Gearslutz for modular and synth addiction etc.

For me turntablism is still not phased out but it's more phased than 5 or 10 years ago for sure. Analog audio (including vinyl) is trend apart. Reggae soundsystems are mostly vinyl based...
Pepehouse 7:30 PM - 16 April, 2021
The only way to play a vinyl is with a needle, they won't die, stop looking just at your needs.
Dubbylabby 8:39 AM - 17 April, 2021
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The only way to play a vinyl is with a needle, they won't die, stop looking just at your needs.


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Analog audio (including vinyl) is trend apart. Reggae soundsystems are mostly vinyl based...


Did you see? We are saying the same but at the same time you think I'm just looking at my needs.

This makes even my point. People doesn't understand basic discussion but feels attacked even when you are trying to defend them.

Fx loop is equally, if not more, alive than vinyl.

/Stop looking just at your needs./ ironic mode: off ;)

If the only way to play vinyl is a needle the vinyl will die with needles.
Your luck is that statement about needles and vinyls is fallacy. There are more ways to play vinyl than electromagnetic needles.
www.elpj.com

Let's going further...
Being Serato "digital" it's logical for them to have "digital fx" instead "analog fx loop". Since Serato and Rane aren't the same company discussing about mixers or needles (more than timecode optimisation) is also out of scope at this age. In fact Rane was who released a turntable controller without a needle (oh the irony...)

So to keep alive needles some brand should release a revamped hybrid turntable enough attractive to analog users and digital users. Phase could fit that gap but it's still young to see if matches the vinyl lovers standards of quality and stability. Also it grows over the DVS foundation of "enhance your actual setup instead buy new" but also will work without needle (but not without computer ATM).

So about Fx loop probably the answer is the same: Analog mixer will survive to Digital Djing so integrated soundcards were a bad design decision (but some of you understood it after each macOS update wrecking drivers until this new Apple Silicon M1 earthquake. From TTM57SL deprecation to the latest shiny top mixers...)

Analog flexible routing with enhanced digital control (midi, hidi or whitivi...) should have been the way to go but again the Rane legacy and the dongle mentality from brands (not only Rane/Serato).

Conclusion:
Digital Fx are cheap but just another nail in the coffin of analog and needles are in the same boat. If you defend needles, you should defend fx loop too. These are two foundations from soundsystem and I'm not sure which will be more important if there's one over the another.
ron koss 6:42 PM - 17 April, 2021
if the serato effects were as good as the hardware effects, and did not commit laptop problems, I will gladly do without the send return!
my wish is rather simple, either hardware effect, otherwise send return + software fx (I'm talking about high-end equipment: reloop elite, rane one ...)
ron koss 6:45 PM - 17 April, 2021
on the other hand I do not reproach absolutely nothing with my mixars primo which is so perfect for its price, and for 400 to have only software fx it is coherent (and in addition, the colors fx are hardware;)
Pepehouse 11:38 PM - 21 April, 2021
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So to keep alive needles some brand should release a revamped hybrid turntable enough attractive to analog users and digital users.

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So about Fx loop probably the answer is the same: Analog mixer will survive to Digital Djing so integrated soundcards were a bad design decision (but some of you understood it after each macOS update wrecking drivers until this new Apple Silicon M1 earthquake. From TTM57SL deprecation to the latest shiny top mixers...)

Wow, incredible market analysis, didn't know who I was talking with, you must have a seat in one of the best dj industry marketing offices, my apologies, I'm John Doe and you even can see the future!
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There are more ways to play vinyl than electromagnetic needles.
www.elpj.com
Being a vinyl collector, I can tell that link was already there when I bought my first computer but I almost forget about it as a viable way to listen to records due to the price but if you want to use it to win the debate about needles of course you can.
Pepehouse 11:47 PM - 21 April, 2021
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This makes even my point. People doesn't understand basic discussion but feels attacked even when you are trying to defend them.
Also the one that feels attacked is you, I didn't quote you neither respond to your words precisely because we were saying the same, in a nutshell, I wasn't talking to you...
Dubbylabby 6:00 AM - 22 April, 2021
Of course...
HellNegative1 2:07 PM - 22 April, 2021
How did this discussion about the Primo turn into an argument about the longevity of phonograph technology?
Pepehouse 7:34 PM - 22 April, 2021
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How did this discussion about the Primo turn into an argument about the longevity of phonograph technology?
Nobody knows exactly why but this things happen.
Dubbylabby 7:36 PM - 22 April, 2021
When someone talked about FX loop some another said it's bygone era technology and I pointed that if true, needles should be too but probably people will not see it as is and I nailed.

Then Pepehouse said some fallacy and ad hominem arguments that expose himself even more as an "expert" xD

The conclusion people doesn't want to admit is analog audio doesn't seems a priority for actual brands and needles are just a "must" to use DVS for them. Since they can virtualise fx but not needles... oh wait! They can... that's Twelve, One and Denons but again users doesn't want to admit these neither.

So to asking the question about "what happened with Mixars primo" people have to figure "what happened as a brand" and "what was happening as a market".

Then Primo had high quality components but it doesn't make a difference for good but for bad since users doesn't care about these and are contradictions themselves missing how market works. You can try to explain them how it usually works and give some alternatives but once again they will look to the finger instead to the moon.

Mixars is part of this whole history as Rane, Akai, Ecler, Urei, Vestax... the few that survive as "brands" were diluted inside bigger corps like inMusic, Music Tribe...

Actual improvements in analog turntables are mainly focused portablism due the "technics supremacy" and innovation stagnation. Reloops or Pioneers are going to change that... it's probably too late and it was niche even in the best point on the golden era. These days gone and they will not come back.

We will see hybrid turntables again? Who knows... Numark X2 and Gemini CDT05 never go to far and these were release in a time where analog vinyl truly mattered, nowadays that kind of product with such "retrocompatibility" is hard to justify from the revunue flow stand point and even more when you have Phase or DVS still working.

Fx loop? Mixars Primo quality-like? Better to look at Modular Synths due these made a trend but also look at prices. Maybe Behringer who stated they want to enter the djing arena to make "affordable" gear...
Dubbylabby 7:38 PM - 22 April, 2021
That's was what happened to Mixars.
Ollieboy 10:47 PM - 22 April, 2021
Aside from the grounding issue and the need to tweek the Fx. this controller is IMO the best 2 channel controller in it's field. Amazing sound, great layout, good form factor, and good amount of bells and whistles with channel inputs.
Ragman 10:52 PM - 22 April, 2021
How does it compare to the Roland DJ-505?
Ollieboy 11:09 PM - 22 April, 2021
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How does it compare to the Roland DJ-505?


From what I see the 505 is a great unit also. It needs a longer pitch slider. For me short pitch sliders make it difficult when mixing. I tend to play with it more trying to match the BPM. Every second counts esp when you got a 1:48 min track and you need to quick mix in and out.
Ragman 11:20 PM - 22 April, 2021
Good point. I agree with you.
DJ Tecniq 11:35 PM - 22 April, 2021
Primo is still 🔥 in my book! Got mine awhile back for only $450. Only 2 ch I’ve seen with a full pitch slider like wtf every 2 ch controller should have this! The aux is super handy and my vinyl sounds superb on this thing as well as the overall sound quality. imo it’s extremely underrated for the features you get with such a cheap price tag (well not anymore that is)
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 11:38 PM - 22 April, 2021
Mixars was partnered with RCF that’s why it sounds so good. My SR2 sounded like a tin can compared to this thing. Glad i sold it for the Primo.
Ragman 12:13 AM - 23 April, 2021
How is the lag on the xfader ?
DJ Tecniq 7:01 AM - 23 April, 2021
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How is the lag on the xfader ?
there was a bit of dead space so i put an innofader in now it cuts like butter.
DJ Tecniq 7:03 AM - 23 April, 2021
No lie the OG fader was bleeding after like a month when i got it and i was hardly scratching with it. Innofader has held up nice though.
Ragman 2:04 PM - 23 April, 2021
Was the innofader difficult to put in?
Ollieboy 9:46 PM - 23 April, 2021
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Was the innofader difficult to put in?

youtu.be
Ragman 12:16 AM - 24 April, 2021
Thanks!
HellNegative1 3:53 AM - 24 April, 2021
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Was the innofader difficult to put in?

youtu.be


I see user replaceable channel faders. Have you tried using the inno for those yet?
DJ Tecniq 8:06 AM - 24 April, 2021
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Was the innofader difficult to put in?

youtu.be
Yup was quite a bitch pulling out the 20 plus screws from the faceplate then had to heat the top faceplate with a blow dryer cause it’s snug with adhesive film all around after that it was a walk in the park. Never seen a controller that was stuck on with adhesive like that it was kinda like glued on cause without heating the faceplate you’ll bend the shit out it it’s very thin.
dj_soo 8:23 PM - 24 April, 2021
Quite a few controllers are glued together - believe all the traktor controllers also are.

I think it’s a way to try to dissuade owners from trying to repair their own gead
DJ Tecniq 9:32 PM - 24 April, 2021
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Quite a few controllers are glued together - believe all the traktor controllers also are.

I think it’s a way to try to dissuade owners from trying to repair their own gead
Interesting none of my Pioneer controllers are like that. I’ve had the SB2, SR2 and 1000srt they are just screwed on. I’m not a Traktor user so i def wouldn’t know of this.
HellNegative1 9:39 PM - 24 April, 2021
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Quite a few controllers are glued together - believe all the traktor controllers also are.

I think it’s a way to try to dissuade owners from trying to repair their own gead
Interesting none of my Pioneer controllers are like that. I’ve had the SB2, SR2 and 1000srt they are just screwed on. I’m not a Traktor user so i def wouldn’t know of this.



There are very few repairs I've done on units that require glue removal. But, for a unit that has 40 screws holding on the faceplate, hitting it with the heat gun is the least anooying part of disassembly. :-p
Pepehouse 6:10 PM - 3 May, 2021
So it's the Primo discontinued or what?
dj_soo 6:46 PM - 3 May, 2021
yes. Mixars as a company is done entirely.
dj_soo 6:46 PM - 3 May, 2021
did anyone think to archive the firmware updates to the primo?
577er 7:09 PM - 3 May, 2021
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did anyone think to archive the firmware updates to the primo?


They are still available on line, just grabbed them last month.
Pepehouse 3:41 PM - 12 May, 2021
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yes. Mixars as a company is done entirely.
So that's the reason it's products are selling for cheap and lack of support makes the buy a suicide, sad as I've been in love with the Primo lately, too late I guess.
dj_soo 4:59 PM - 12 May, 2021
I mean, the last firmware by all accounts seems to be great.

There will be no warranty support granted, but that’s mitigated by how cheap the gear is.
577er 5:25 PM - 12 May, 2021
I was looking to pick up a second Primo but they are all selling for top dollar. Found one from thedjhookup.com but... they didn’t actually have it and tried to get me to buy something else instead. Fortunately they refunded the money right away. Anyone seen Primos for less then $700?
Clubber1970 5:48 PM - 12 May, 2021
Here in Germany it is available for 333Euros

www.musicstore.de

Don’t know If they ship worldwide.
DJ Tecniq 7:46 PM - 12 May, 2021
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Anyone seen Primos for less then $700?
$649 guitar center www.guitarcenter.com
dj_soo 8:19 PM - 12 May, 2021
oh wow, they were going for like $450 for a while
DJ Tecniq 10:31 PM - 12 May, 2021
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oh wow, they were going for like $450 for a while
Yup i actually got mine for $489 on sale cpl months after it released.
mixgoonie 12:56 PM - 28 July, 2021
For a dead company, still surprised to see the website online and the required files : mixars.com
577er 7:08 PM - 28 July, 2021
That site was down for a while & often redirects to spam sights. Odd that’s it’s back up.
DJ Tecniq 9:01 PM - 28 July, 2021
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That site was down for a while & often redirects to spam sights. Odd that’s it’s back up.
And it looks like they have updated it as well. Maybe they are back in business?
HellNegative1 9:17 PM - 28 July, 2021
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That site was down for a while & often redirects to spam sights. Odd that’s it’s back up.
And it looks like they have updated it as well. Maybe they are back in business?


One can only hope.
577er 12:45 AM - 29 July, 2021
It would be amazing if they came back from the grave and gave everyone a run for their money 😆
HellNegative1 1:30 AM - 29 July, 2021
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It would be amazing if they came back from the grave and gave everyone a run for their money 😆


Could you imagine a budget friendly battle mixer with a screen in it to compete with the S11 and Seventy MK2?
PavelShamray 11:40 AM - 13 November, 2021
Hello, guys. Does anyone have latest firmware, could you upload it to somethere? Main site seems working, but can't downlad anything there. And, by the way, did mixars fix all the problems in latest firmware?
PavelShamray 11:41 AM - 13 November, 2021
Hello, guys. Does anyone have latest firmware, could you upload it to somethere? Main site seems working, but can't download anything there. And, by the way, did mixars fix all the problems in latest firmware?
mixgoonie 8:46 AM - 22 March, 2023
What the hell, after two years not being in stock again, they seems back.

www.musicstore.com
Jeromesq 4:04 AM - 24 March, 2023
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brianbatesd 9:34 PM - 18 June, 2023
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Hello, guys. Does anyone have latest firmware, could you upload it to somethere? Main site seems working, but can't download anything there. And, by the way, did mixars fix all the problems in latest firmware?


Super late follow up but posting this here for others. The controller sounds great and the audio works well. The jogs are not good for scratching. They're capacitive so they're as good as capacitive jogs get which is meh if you're used to turntables. I suppose they would work well for a beginner to learn baby scratches and basic cutting, but the controller isn't built to handle flares and chirps, etc.

I don't know if it's my particular unit but there are two issues on it right now.

Occasionally when I turn it on Deck 1 will not load and it goes blank. If I toggle the Deck 1 input a few times or turn the controller on and off, the Deck lights back up and things work fine. The other workaround is to just change Deck 1 to Deck 3.

There's another weird issue right now where the jog wheel lights and VU meters will suddenly go half speed/time/tick. If you trigger a cue point or reload a track sometimes it fixes things or sometimes the track comes back in the middle of a song. It doesn't impact the audio but the visual feedback is bugged.

I'm on 3.0.6 as of this post and the latest firmware.