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What happened with the mixars primo

Telony Ex 12:57 AM - 23 August, 2017
This was a very ambitious sdj controller to take the mid range market. Had all the standard whistles and bells. Since pioneer ducked out of the game to focus on their own software. This was definitely a controller i myself was looking forward to to replace my sx 2 with. In a sense it is pretty much the same thing. Just smaller. Cheaper and the mic input and effects were a seller for me.

Have not actually seen a workinh model of this no where on the web. Hmmmmm. Interesting. Been over a year now sinced it was announced
DJ Tecniq 3:12 AM - 23 August, 2017
They pushed the date back I think it's coming late September. I was thinking of this controller too but I'm prob getting the Denon MC7000 instead.
DJ Tecniq 3:15 AM - 23 August, 2017
Actually PSSL says Oct 7th
www.pssl.com
DJ Tecniq 3:17 AM - 23 August, 2017
Odd PSSL says Oct 2nd but Agiprodj says Oct 27th.
DJ Tecniq 3:19 AM - 23 August, 2017
And Idjnow says Expected August 2017 lol...who knows
www.idjnow.com
577er 7:09 PM - 23 August, 2017
This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
DJ Tecniq 12:01 AM - 24 August, 2017
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This had my attention but the Roland 505 looks like more fun. When a company takes more than a year to release a product it makes me worried that something with either the company or the product is fux'ed. I mean if you can't even sell me a product there is zero chance they will be able to resolve any issues that come up.
Good point I was considering the Roland 505 as well but that small pitch slider concerns me.
577er 2:34 AM - 24 August, 2017
The small pitch sliders are not ideal but at least they are to the right of the decks unlike some other controllers. I always look at the screen when matching tempo in serato so it's not like a turntable or CDJ with a stubby pitch slider. That would be a non starter. The Primo's combo mic input is also better but the drum machine is just cool and you get the Serato software bundle with the 505. My real gripe is that the 505 is larger than the Primo which looks super portable.
DJ Tecniq 3:02 AM - 24 August, 2017
I will agree the Primo seems like a very lightweight option for mobile uses and added DVS is just really what I've been looking for. However the beatpad on the 505 would be really sick too for making remixes or redrums...tough choice.
DJ Tecniq 4:55 PM - 29 November, 2017
Crazy this controller still hasn’t hit the market yet. So far I’ve heard early Jan 2018. Sucks. It actually has more features for a 2 ch controller w/DVS. The jogwheel LED indicator will prob be the big seller.
Ollie 7:08 PM - 7 December, 2017
Still waiting on this controller. Probably my "be all, end all" once i get it. I'm a gear whore but
it's an expensive habit. What's going on Mixars?
dj_soo 6:47 AM - 30 December, 2017
Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
DJ Tecniq 11:35 AM - 30 December, 2017
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Man, I'm *this* close to just getting an SR2. Was hoping to sneak an expense in before the new year for a tax writeoff and I desperately need to replace my VCI 380.

Mixars royally fucked up by letting Pioneer beat them to the market.
I’m so with you on that i wanted the Primo but couldn’t wait a lifetime. I’m super disappointed in Mixars they put out that 4 ch Quatro before a 2 ch controller it’s kinda fucking ridiculous. I’m hearing it’s shipping out early next year but nothing has been confirmed from their rep. If it’s a total fail I’m going to laugh my ass off.
dj_soo 12:18 PM - 30 December, 2017
have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
DJ Tecniq 9:14 PM - 30 December, 2017
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have you done an A/B test with your SR2 with some of the older pioneer controllers? Has the sound quality improved? I really just don't like a lot of their controllers and the sound quality issue is kind of the lynchpin. If it's significantly better or at least closer to the SZ, I might still consider the SR2. Still a little big for me and I really don't want to spend more money on new cases or bags when the Primo looks a lot closer in size to the VCI.
I think the sound quality has improved i have the SB2 and have used the old SR. What i didn’t like about the SR it only had the usb connection and it made a slight buzzing sound when connected. The SR2 however is completely silent. I love that the SR2 has the xlr outs but even with rca connection i think it sounds great. The one gripe i do have of the SR2 is the small pitch sliders cause if you’re at 16+ pitch speed it gets difficult to match bpm. This is not a problem when it’s at 8+. It’s hard to explain but because it’s not a full pitch fader you have to really tweak the pitch to match up the bpms day if you’re at 101bpm the opposite deck will skip 101bpm or won’t let you get to 101bpm so you have to adjust the playing deck to another bpm number like 102 and then try to get the other deck to match up to 102. It’s just more fiddling you have to do when it’s not a full pitch slider.
DJ Tecniq 9:17 PM - 30 December, 2017
Day = say*
dj_soo 7:27 AM - 31 December, 2017
I just copped an SR2 today and have been messing about with it the last couple hours.

It's... ok.

There's a lot I like about it, but also a whole lot I don't like about it. I may return it and try out the 505 - guess I have a month to decide and by then, maybe the primo will actually come out.

So far, the Primo is still the one I want, but I can't be waiting around forever since my VCI 380 is about to go...
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 25 January, 2018
So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
DJ Tecniq 9:02 PM - 25 January, 2018
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So looks like you're right Tecniq, sounds like Mixars could be done:

www.reddit.com

Nem0nic was an old Serato forumer and has worked for quite a few companies in the past including designing gear for Stanton and Gemini among others so I tend to trust his sources.

Looks like I'm copping either the SR2 or the 505.
Crazy dude! I had a feeling something just wasn’t right. A company like that doesn’t just shut their website down. Very shady.
DJ Tecniq 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
I was really hoping to see the Primo in action i think it was just a proto-type they showed last year at NAMM. What a joke!
dj_soo 9:03 PM - 25 January, 2018
well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
DJ Tecniq 9:04 PM - 25 January, 2018
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well, the website is back up - but the fact that they don't seem to have anything at NAMM despite the Quatro being newly released is pretty telling. Maybe someone will pick them up tho...
That’s very possible. Maybe inMusic lol.
dj_soo 9:16 PM - 25 January, 2018
I can't see that InMusic happening honestly - they have all their bases covered at this point.

Numark for their entry level/controllers, Denon for their high end club stuff, Rane for the high end scratch/hip hop crowd.

But who knows, the Quatro looked cool even if I would never get it. I was just hoping for that Primo to fill the niche of the Vestax controllers that no one has stepped up to fill. A higer end, 2 channel, fully featured, but compact controller. Everything else on the market is either too big or has too many compromises in design.
JDfunky 5:01 AM - 4 March, 2018
Man I was waiting for that Mixars Primo to replace my ageing Vestax VCI-380 (which I have loved).. so if Mixars is dead, what are my best options guys?

Don't care about price, happy to pay a premium since it's such a vital piece of kit.

Roland 505 has a drum machine which I don't need, but is it better than anything else, DDJ-SR2, Denon MC4000?
dj_soo 5:10 AM - 4 March, 2018
SR2 I think has overall more functionality as a strict DJ controller (i.e. ignoring the drum machine) and has better build quality, but 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.

Both are big tho.

MC4000 seems really limited in functionality - no DVS, only 4 cue buttons per side, need to pay for the Serato DJ license, but the price is nice.
JDfunky 6:11 AM - 4 March, 2018
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.. 505 sounds better and I like the platters better.
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505 sounds better? wow that's saying something if it's a noticeable difference..
dj_soo 6:12 AM - 4 March, 2018
you can hear it if you play them side by side. I think for the average person, they won't really hear a major difference, but when I a/b'd the SR2 and various other controllers and mixers, it was one of the weakest sounding ones of the lot.
GC-Intl 2:04 PM - 18 June, 2018
Hi folks, i just received the message from MIXARS today:
[...]

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
HellNegative1 3:42 PM - 18 June, 2018
I think Mixars shot themselves in the foot with the Quattro. It is clearly laid out as a DVS friendly 4 channel mixer, but the faders they decided to use kill the hopes of a lot of potential buyers.

I was someone who ignored that part of the reviews and purchased the Quattro anyway. I sent it back shortly after due to those faders just not meeting my expectations at all. As a Duo owner, I expected a lot more out of the quattro than what I got.


On a side note, I absolutely adore my duo.
DJ Tecniq 6:58 PM - 18 June, 2018
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Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.
Primo is in development and we hope to finally have an official update towards end of summer regarding the release.
Mixars is going very well and Quattro 4Ch Serato Mixer has just been released this year.
Stay tuned!
All the Best
Your Mixars Team
www.mixars.com
This is very interesting but when it’s released i think I’ll hold off. I love my SR2 but it is lacking full pitch fader and led indicators for the jogwheels. And yes they did shoot themselves in the foot they released a 4 ch mixer when 2 ch controllers w/DVS were just in the market. They had more to offer from their end of the 2 Ch controller market and they missed that mark they could of been the best company to put out a 2 ch controller w/led indication. Too bad they are way overdue.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 18 June, 2018
And honestly after all the hype and let down i may not even purchase it anymore cause of the huge delay. I bet it won’t be officially released till the end of the year...
Telony Ex 1:04 AM - 21 June, 2018
Ggod lick with that. I believe only reason we were so hyped about it was when we thought pioneer was done with serato. Since thats not the case. Hmmm. Mixars u better step up. Primo needs and update and its not even out yet
dj_soo 3:01 AM - 21 June, 2018
nah, the primo is still what I want in a controller. I bought and returned the SR2, been working with a 505 for the last few months and neither do it for me. They're both too big and have some dealbreakers for me.

I want something compact but pro with all the amenities of the bigger controllers - multiple, professional outputs, fully featured, proper build quality, DVS compatible, etc.

This is the spiritual successor to the VCI-380 a lot of DJs have been waiting for.

Only thing it's missing is tension adjustable jog wheels and a platter indicator (which hopefully will make it into the final release if it ever happens). I still don't understand how a company like Hercules can put jog wheel indicators on their shitty controllers yet pioneer won't on their highest end 2 channel controller.
JDfunky 3:57 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with @dj_soo. The Primo is what I'd like as a replacement for my ageing VCI-380.
DJ Tecniq 4:46 AM - 21 June, 2018
I agree with all of you but here’s my concern this will be the first controller Mixars has put out. I just hope if when it is released that the jogwheels are comfortable and work accordingly and i actually like them. The main seller here for me is the full pitch fader and the led on the jogwheels. Don’t get me wrong i still love the SR2 and it’s pitch play key shifting ability I’m not certain if the Mixars unit has those features and i hope the mic preamp is better than the Pioneer I also love that it has a xfader curve. Regardless I’m interested to see what others say I’m gonna wait till it is reviewed to make my decision. And if it sounds like a winner I’ll just sell my SR2 for $600 bucks. Guess we wait till we hear an update on release.
dj_soo 10:08 AM - 21 June, 2018
There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.
Aptidda 11:24 PM - 21 June, 2018
The Mixars Primo was a failed concept that did not gain any attention or interest in the Marketplace. As soon as Mixars found out what Rane had up their sleeve, those suckers threw in the towel and ran off like bitches.
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dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
The more you if more him, the less he derails any threads.
dj_soo 12:12 AM - 22 June, 2018
*ignore
Mr. Goodkat 8:34 AM - 22 June, 2018
not true
HellNegative1 2:00 PM - 22 June, 2018
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not true


Agreed.
Aptidda 4:42 PM - 22 June, 2018
ya theres no stopping me. Rane Troll out....
DJ Tecniq 6:17 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂
DJ Tecniq 6:18 AM - 19 September, 2018
Mixars*
GC-Intl 6:50 AM - 19 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
DJ Tecniq 2:27 AM - 20 September, 2018
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Mixers is done right? This thing still ain’t out and it’s almost 2019. They’ll prob release it when Serato Video gets an update in the year 2030😂


ot true ;)

got this message yestery:

Ciao Marc. Yes, Primo is in production and we are waiting to receive a delivery date soon from the factory.
We hope to have it in stores before Christmas in most countries.
We remain at your disposal.
Best!
Your Mixars Team
Maybe that was their plan all along to wait till Xmas. Smart move actually just odd I’ve seen nothing on any online stores about when it arrives.
dj_soo 12:48 PM - 20 September, 2018
I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 20 September, 2018
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I wonder how much has changed since the initial prototype? I feel like part of the delay was that maybe the unit was a little too ambitious to keep it at the $700 price point?
Very possible I’m hoping we’ll be able to disable the strip search when a song is playing that’s what’s really cool about the SR2 you can use the strip search still as long as the song is paused and scan through it. Cause I’ve hit the strip search many times on accident while playing a song.
dj_soo 2:31 AM - 21 September, 2018
I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
DJ Tecniq 4:26 AM - 21 September, 2018
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I think it's a software option (you can do it for the sz, and ns7, and a few others).
I think you’re right cause it’s a setting options in SDJ I believe that’s how i found it but couldn’t remember.
König Balthasar 12:48 PM - 14 November, 2018
Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.
GC-Intl 1:06 PM - 14 November, 2018
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Hi together

i am still on a DDJ-SR and want to change to a new controller because of Sound Quality. But its size must be arround the SB1. Therefore i still have some Questions:

- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?

Thank you all for the discussions.


we cant say how the mixars primo sounds, cuz none of us tried due its not released yet.

greetz
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 14 November, 2018
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- Does Pioneer SR2 sound bether than SR1?
Yes I believe it does SR1 is very muddy sounding compared to the SR2

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- Do you hear a differnce in Sound Quality when the SR2 has plugged in the DC?
Yes higher output and controller led’s are much brighter

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- Roland 505 seems to have bether Sound Quality?
Have not compared the two yet. Most seem to think so

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- Why you are thinking that Mixars Primo has bether Sound Quality?
Mixars has not been released nor tested to confirm that

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Thank you all for the discussions.
You’re welcome!
dj_soo 7:18 PM - 14 November, 2018
I didn't like the sound quality of the SR2, but it being externally powered will at least give it some more headroom.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 PM - 15 November, 2018
how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
DJ Tecniq 6:51 PM - 15 November, 2018
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how about the mixars quattro, i really wanted to buy that mixer
Honestly think it’s discontinued already. I don’t know what Mixars motive is anymore. The rumor i heard was RCF who owns Mixars was selling off all their stock.
Michael R 10:03 PM - 15 November, 2018
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Honestly think it’s discontinued already.

The Mixars QUATTRO is still in production :)
jprime 10:20 PM - 15 November, 2018
I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
DJ Tecniq 4:01 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.
DJ JulioYEG 4:17 AM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.

i was thinking about using my mc7000 w my tech12s how is it distance wise do you even notice it
jprime 5:57 PM - 16 November, 2018
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I'd like to see that Primo between my turntables as I am in need of something to replace my TTM57SL and it fits the budget.
I hear you i was originally supposed to get the Primo but it never released so I settled for the SR2. Really want the LED jog indicators.


How are you liking the SR2? I have a couple of questions if you don't mind - How is the stock fader for scratching and how does the unit sound?
dj_soo 7:59 PM - 16 November, 2018
Fader is ok - you can adjust the cut lag on the controller via the utility mode. It’s not a magvel or anything.

Sound quality wise, I personally wasn’t impressed. It’s adequate at best with your typical pioneee bump in the highs and a thin low end.

The vinyl preamps sound like shit tho - likely the same problematic preamps they put into the Interface 2 and the djm 250 mk2 that people have been complaining about.
wingcomm 5:09 AM - 13 December, 2018
It looks like the Primo will be available soon since its supported in Serato 2.1?
DJ Nin 4:16 PM - 13 December, 2018
Yeah, I would assume that's the case. I'm definitely interested.

Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...

What up Mixars?
jprime 5:05 PM - 13 December, 2018
Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Nin 5:46 PM - 13 December, 2018
^ Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Now if we could just see some videos of the Primo in action...What up Mixars?
Same here. It didn’t seem as if the Mixars Primo had LED jogwheel indication just looks similar to the SR2 except full pitch slider and other features. Wish someone could confirm if it has pitch play ability cause it’s not mentioned in the description. The SR2 is Awesome but working without a full 100mm pitch slider is a pain.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"
Well I’m sold and will prob sell my SR2. Just can’t wait to see some demo videos finally.
cosmicbaggy 7:30 PM - 14 December, 2018
Possibly swap out my dj505 if this proves worthy.
jprime 7:44 PM - 14 December, 2018
I'm in. Let's go Mixars.
Gio Alex 9:48 PM - 14 December, 2018
According to B&H

www.bhphotovideo.com

Expected availability: End of Dec 2018
dj_soo 10:10 PM - 14 December, 2018
almost feels like releasing a year late may actually help them in the long run. If it had released last year like it was supposed, the hype would have been immediately stolen by the release of the SR2. I recall a similar thing happened with the VCI-380. It released and a few months later, Pioneer announced the SX which totally killed the hype for the 380.
Gio Alex 10:13 PM - 14 December, 2018
True^^

This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.
dj_soo 11:21 PM - 14 December, 2018
There are only 2, 2 channel DVS capable controllers available right now - the sr2 and the 505 (which has a myriad of problems).

Most see the primo as the spiritual successor to the 380 which is something I’ve been wanting for a long time now.
dj_soo 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Mixars just updated their website. There's now a manual for the Primo posted.

Per the manual:
"The middle illuminating logo and blue LED ring show the status of the scratch performance"


This could just mean that the ring changes color when you touch the platter. I’ll wait for a proper demo to see if it’s an actual indicator.
Gio Alex 11:23 PM - 14 December, 2018
I haven't had any issues with my SR2 (knock on wood)
DJ Tecniq 2:34 AM - 15 December, 2018
I just hope the Primo has a better mic preamp than the SR2. The Preamp in the SR2 is such a piece of shit like most Pioneer controllers.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 15 December, 2018
I gotta say, I had almost forgotten about the primo and chalked it up to being vaporware, but reading the manual has gotten me pretty hyped. Functionality-wise, it's almost everything I've been waiting for in a controller.

I hope they don't fuck it up.
577er 5:07 AM - 15 December, 2018
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I hope they don't fuck it up.


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deejayfatcat 1:09 PM - 15 December, 2018
I’ve almost bought a 380 a few times in the last year. Glad to hear this is going to come out.
JDfunky 4:42 AM - 16 December, 2018
Gio Alex 9:16 PM - 16 December, 2018
What’s the big deal about the primo? Why’s everyone so hyped on it.
dj_soo 9:48 PM - 16 December, 2018
It’s a smaller sized fully featured controller that’s comparable to the old VCI 380 - with features that aren’t really available in anything but the larger 4 channel ones - long pitch faders, DVS capable, split cue, hardware filter effects

I personally don’t want a controller even the size of an sr2
Gio Alex 10:17 PM - 16 December, 2018
I mean don’t get me wrong... I’m not super stoked on the size of the SR2 either but the mixars joint looks toyish imo
JDfunky 12:21 AM - 17 December, 2018
@Gio Alex: Reviews have said that the Mixars unit is solid and the sound quality excellent. That's what I am mainly looking for to replace my ageing VCI-380.
dj_soo 12:32 AM - 17 December, 2018
All controllers look toying to me
Gio Alex 1:11 AM - 17 December, 2018
True
DJ Nin 2:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
I just want a solid, reliable controller that has good sound quality and good jog wheels (indicator is a must), along with all the smooth software integration that's standard on most controllers.

I have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.

I recently bought a Roland 808 but had to return it due to jog wheel & play button issues that I experienced straight out of the box.

Don't really have any interest in any of the Numark or Denon controllers.

SZ is too big.

So I'm hoping the Primo is the one. I own a Mixars Duo, which I love, so that gives me a little bit of faith in Mixars as a brand.
Gio Alex 2:57 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?
DJ Nin 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.
JDfunky 3:03 PM - 17 December, 2018
@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?
Gio Alex 3:06 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.
DJ Nin 3:07 PM - 17 December, 2018
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@DJ Nin: so your Mixars Duo has better quality sound than the SX2?


For sure.
DJ Nin 3:16 PM - 17 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.
Gio Alex 3:22 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
DJ Nin 3:31 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better.


Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.


Touche.
DJ Tecniq 3:37 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Apples and oranges. Not trying to make a fuss about this, but again this is a well made analog mixer, versus a digital controller. In terms of sound that is, I say this to say that putting a 2011 date on it doesn't make a difference. Hell, my old Rane Empath sounds better than a ton of new mixers that cost way more. Also, we all know very well about Pioneer's prices on things.
Agreed. My Pioneer S9 sounds much cleaner than my SR2. But it’s not really a fair comparison it’s a mixer vs a controller. Maybe the preamp is better.
Gio Alex 3:42 PM - 17 December, 2018
It's unfortunate that sound quality is compromised across the tier of Pioneer controllers. I get separating features between models, e.g. ins/outs and so on btwn the more expensive models, but sound quality should not be a thing they mess with. All should have the same sound quality.
Logisticalstyles 3:48 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.
Gio Alex 3:49 PM - 17 December, 2018
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This might be the most compact SDJ controller that is DVS enabled right? I literally bought the SR2 for this reason.

Technically, the AMX is still the smallest DVS enabled controller.


I would say mixer, not controller.
Logisticalstyles 4:04 PM - 17 December, 2018
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I would say mixer, not controller.

Nope, it's a controller. It won't work unless it's connected to a laptop running the software. Even Serato refers to it as a compact controller. That's why I said technically. People view it as a mixer since it has no jog wheels but it's 100% controller.

serato.com
cosmicbaggy 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
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have a SX2. While it's reliable, and the functionality with Serato is great, the sound quality could be better and I don't like the jog wheels.


Geez even the SX doesn't have good sound quality?


I offloaded the SX2 because the sound was awful and accentuation was way to hot and replaced with the DJ505 but also had issued with the play button. I've recently had this serviced by Roland but this has certainly tainted my views in that if the reports of the Primo being both good in sound and reliability I'd look to shift the 505 also.

I've still got a Vestax VCI-400 of which I've hammered and not had one issue in all the year's I've had it...
Gio Alex 4:12 PM - 17 December, 2018
To me, if that shit aint got convenient buttons, fx, knobs, jogwheels and the whole nine, I don't consider it a controller, But I get your point about technically though. But you do also get what we mean by most compact controller with DVS. Like a fully controller that's compact with DVS features. I bought the SR2 for this reason.
jprime 5:39 PM - 17 December, 2018
Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
DJ Tecniq 6:41 PM - 17 December, 2018
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Also, here's hoping the crossfader on the Primo is half decent.
+1 I’m anxious to see this thing demo’ed I’m quite surprised Mixars has not even released a demo yet looks like the unit was scheduled for realease around Christmas but won’t yet ship until January. I just wish they put out a statement from their team. There has been so much hype about this controller and not a single demo of its features yet or of it “in use”.
DJ Nin 6:59 PM - 17 December, 2018
After purchasing a dud version of the 808, if the Primo isn't legit I'm gonna fall into DJ controller depression, and will be going the Rahzel route at my gigs moving forward.
Mr. Goodkat 8:00 PM - 17 December, 2018
i just dont understand why ppl keep buying controllers if they sound terrible. how much room could 1 cdj and a mixer(instant doubles) take up compared to a controller.
Gio Alex 8:14 PM - 17 December, 2018
The thing is for a mixer and 1 cdj you're looking at two flight cases. Less portability. And also like 2K+ at least
DJ Nin 8:29 PM - 17 December, 2018
I've done the instant doubles thing before. I don't like it personally. I just find it annoying to DJ an entire night like that. Also, to be honest I fuck up too much.

Will forget to turn filter off prior to swapping songs

Will have echo out effect still on from previous transition and will be dead air initially when I switch crossfader all the way over

Will load song on wrong deck

Etc.
Mr. Goodkat 8:30 PM - 17 December, 2018
i get that, but if sound quality is what you are going for, it seems like it would be worth the extra money.

I found a cdj 900 nexus for 500$, and while i know thats rare, i found another for $900 off ebay that is basically new.

WHile looking around ive found a pair of OG 900s for $600 and they generally go for 4-600. Of course if you are only going for timecode, you can get some old 1000s mk3s and a quality mixer. There are plenty of mixers for 600-1000 that will give you better sound than a pioneer controller(even pioneer mixers).

I've started to use gator g club bags for my cdjs and mixer, and while they arent as protective if you actually have to go on the road, they work fine for local gigs.

the bag that works with 900s/2000s is a 19 inch controller bag for around 80-100$ on ebay or amazon. Ive added a little foam at the bottom, but they are basically perfect and have enough space to for extra cords.
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 26 December, 2018
What’s the latest news on the Mixars Primo. Still haven’t seen anything. No surprise here...Nothing from retail stores either. Gotta love the waiting game.😬
Michael R 11:01 PM - 26 December, 2018
They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
dj_soo 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?
WildcardX 12:08 AM - 27 December, 2018
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Over under of the Primo making it out before the Phase?

This would make a good Bet to see which gets released first. lol
DJ Tecniq 5:37 AM - 27 December, 2018
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They are aiming to have units in store in January 2019 :)
Interesting no official statement from Mixars. Least you got the deets for us👍🏼
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:14 PM - 27 December, 2018
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IMO, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

Both my Duo & Ecler Nuo with a SL 2 sound noticeably better to me.


Well, an Ecler NUO is a great analog mixer. The sound quality on those were really nice. I owned a NUO 2.0. Kind of an unfair comparison.


Yeah, I have the 2.0 as well

For the price, the Nuo was a steal. I paid around $350 when I bought it new in 2011. I don't use it much anymore, but still works flawlessly with no issues.

Point I was trying to make though was that a piece of equipment I bought in 2011 at less than half the price of my SX2 sounds a lot better. Obviously, the SX 2 has a lot more to offer feature wise as it's a full controller compared to just a stand alone mixer. But still sound wise, the SX 2 can't compete with either mixer.


Ecler is the RANE of Spain! Hell they sound better then Pioneer mixers.

I have a NUO 4 and there’s no way I could ever get rid of it......
Michael R 9:22 PM - 27 December, 2018
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Interesting no official statement from Mixars.

Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December 14th:

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Messaged Mixars yesterday, in case anyone's interested:

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 28 December, 2018
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Actualy jprime posted a response from Mixars in this thread on December.

"Thanks for cotacting us and your interest in Primo!
Primo will be shipping January onwards. Feel free to check with your national Mixars distributor for availability in your territory. For Canada it's www.eriksonpro.com "
They should add this statement to their website then.
Djkom 9:06 AM - 4 January, 2019
Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Mr. Goodkat 7:20 PM - 4 January, 2019
never heard of that dj, but she can cut, was impressed
DJ Tecniq 11:07 PM - 4 January, 2019
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Mixars primo in the wild...

www.instagram.com

They say it will be available in February
Damn...thought it was January now February😬 At least it’s out there. Sad I gotta follow this chick just to see it🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Tecniq 11:11 PM - 4 January, 2019
Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.
HellNegative1 7:58 AM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Dj Youkai 2:04 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com

Cool.. She Performed In Hawaii. Under my Good Friends of Level H :) Glad There is Some Sign That the Mixar Primo Is Coming Soon. Totally Interested in Checking Out that Controller Also :)
DJ Tecniq 9:12 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️
cosmicbaggy 9:27 PM - 5 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


Its something attached to her monitor.

www.instagram.com
Interesting maybe a bumper of some sort for protection. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Looks like a lightbox to display her 'DJ name/brand'.

Ffs, this is what the craft has become...
Gio Alex 4:00 PM - 6 January, 2019
Lol yeah most likely a light box
Robb Royale 4:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:35 PM - 7 January, 2019
I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.
DJ JulioYEG 8:44 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Off topic but what’s up with her laptop looks like a big ass cube. Maybe it’s just a sign. Primo looks cool would like to see it in real action though.


I think she's using this: stickerlight.com

nah i have a sticker light that's custom made dj stand that the back of your laptop display sits against ill try and find a better pic from a homie
DJ JulioYEG 8:45 PM - 7 January, 2019
DJ Nin 9:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. Not what I wanted to hear.
Gio Alex 9:05 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.

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I asked the Mixars team if there is a jog playhead indicator.

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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.

All the Best and have a great day

Your Mixars Team

www.mixars.com]

Not much of difference from the SR2 so...minus it being class complaint on MacOS.


Oooof... sounds like you'll need a higher tier model for that feature? Like how pioneer did
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:10 PM - 7 January, 2019
They say it depends on Serato.

I will be curious to see how they mapped it. .2.1 already supports it so the mapping is done already.

I have the SR2 and the lack of jog wheel/led ring indicator is a bummer.
dj_soo 12:11 AM - 8 January, 2019
The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.
Gio Alex 4:44 PM - 8 January, 2019
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The fact that vestax was the only one to include this feature on their 2 channel 380 makes it a bit of a unicorn in the controller world. The platter tension is another thing that companies overlook unfortunately.


You're right.

These small features are definitely left out to separate the tiers in the models. The thing that sucks is we don't necessarily want massive and heavy gear. Give me the pro features in a compact model. I'll gladly pay the extra bucks for it.
DJ Nin 5:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.
DJ Nin 5:05 PM - 8 January, 2019
Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II
Gio Alex 5:23 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 8 January, 2019
If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔
DJ Nin 5:35 PM - 8 January, 2019
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^ EXACTLY.

Unfortunately none of these companies have received the memo yet though.


They still think bigger dj controller means better unit, but in all honesty I don't want to lug around a SZ2. That's taking steps backgrounds. Even PA speaker companies know that djs are trying to carry less weight and use up less space. The SR2 is about as big I would want a dj controller to be. The point was to not have to carry my turntables and mixer around.


Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.
DJ Tecniq 5:37 PM - 8 January, 2019
One thing I really dislike about the SR2 is the small pitch fader. So I’m still considering getting the Primo for that reason alone and the xfade cut on the unit itself is very convenient. I think the sound quality on the SR2 could of been improved but when you’re buying a small controller like that they tend to really cut cost on quality which is unfortunate. I’m curious to see how the Primo compares in sound quality.
Gio Alex 5:38 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dude, I agree 100%. SZ 2 makes sense for a bar/club/lounge install but not too lug around from gig to gig. Defeats the whole purpose of a controller.


That's really all in makes sense for IMO. bar/club install. Other than that it looks no different then when cats used to lug the one coffin with the turntables and mixer slot.
DJ Nin 5:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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If a company were to create a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel indicators they’d prob fly off the shelves. Give me a quality product in a convenient but light package and I would prob pay $1000 for it easy. Who the hell really uses 4 channels. It’s rare that I see djs using 4 channels anyways. Was hoping the Mixars would come through with the jogwheel indication but I guess not...Lame. If I see another 4 ch controller I’m going to flip my shit...how many are there already...🤔


It's like they don't want our money. Seriously, this has been discussed to death on this forum and still no one has stepped up to make a legit 2 channel controller without a stripped down set of features. WTF.

The only time I use 4 channels on my SX2 is when I'm doing weddings and I have 2 mics hooked up and even then it's only because the SX2 doesn't have separate mic inputs. I don't know anyone who actually uses 4 channels to mix. Shit is way too confusing and really just unnatural IMO with only 2 jog wheels and the 1/3 2/4 buttons.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?
DJ Tecniq 5:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
And don’t tell me it can’t be done because Hercules did it first with the jogvision. But c’mon only 1 master rca out...😐 No idea what Mixars is talking about cause this one here is supported for Serato....🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 6:00 PM - 8 January, 2019
Give me this...with your standard Master XLR/RCA, Booth, Full 100mm pitch fader, xfade reverse/slope and I’m all in. Why hasn’t Hercules did a mk2 version of the Jogvision. This is such an easy sell.
youtu.be
DJ Nin 6:21 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:53 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Ciao,

Thanks for contacting us and your interest in Primo.

It has a led ring but the function of it depends from Serato.

Feel free to check with them for functionality of the led ring, as for now it should just indicate a loaded track but we hope they will implement another mode too after launch.
Confused by this response I mean the 4 ch controllers all have the jogwheel playhead indicator? What is so hard about implementing this feature in a smaller controller?


Yeah, that response doesn't make sense and seems like an attempt to duck any responsibility and dump it all on Serato


Basically if Serato doesn’t code the LED’s then it is what it is.....
DJ Nin 7:07 PM - 8 January, 2019
Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
DJ Tecniq 7:10 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ
+1
Gio Alex 7:11 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that
DJ Nin 7:22 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


LOL. I know but I had nothing to lose and the timing was right so why not
HellNegative1 7:25 PM - 8 January, 2019
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Dear Serato,

PLEASE code the LEDs.

Sincerely,
A Concerned DJ


a doubt that's gonna happen like that lol... people have been asking for a while now for that alone and all sorts of things. There is a feature request section but good luck with that


The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.

That aside.

I am all for the smaller controller argument. It's sad that I can fit an SC5000 with a Mixars Duo into carry on, but there still isnt a compact controller on the market with all the same features in a carry-on sized package. Manufacturers have really missed the mark formid-range touring open-format DJ's.
DJ Nin 7:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
DJ Tecniq 8:43 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:49 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you
Gio Alex 8:59 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Not too far off, average of 4-6 years per feature lol that already exists on other platforms
DJ Nin 9:02 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.



cool we'll check by that thread in decade or 2 and bump it for you


Good lookin out Sparky. Thanks fam.
DJ Nin 9:03 PM - 8 January, 2019
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I started an actual feature request for the indicator.
At this point all controllers should have a playhead indicator it’s just nice to have that convenience instead of staring at the laptop. It’s really a no brainer.


Right. I said that actually.
Mike.C 3:13 AM - 9 January, 2019
The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...
dj_soo 3:22 AM - 9 January, 2019
god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?
HellNegative1 3:23 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The jog wheel lighting for the Primo will display what deck is selected with blue or red lighting. It wasn't possible to map the jog wheel lighting in the same way a Pioneer CDJ works...


So it is not made up of individual LED's that addressable via Midi CC? That makes sense. These aren't out in the wide wild yet, so actualy capabilities haven't ben shown.
HellNegative1 3:24 AM - 9 January, 2019
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god dammit. How is this one little detail constantly being overlooked by designers?



I have now clue, cause it's not even an expensive add. Look at the encoders on the Behringer CMD controllers. Those thinks were cheap af, but still had CC addressable LED's around the encoders.
dj_soo 3:43 AM - 9 January, 2019
fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.
Gio Alex 3:54 AM - 9 January, 2019
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fucking Hercules put a jog wheel indicator on their jogvision controller.

Between this and a jog wheel tension adjust, I have no idea why these companies refuse to put together a high end, compact, fully featured, 2 channel controller.


I suspect two reasons.

1) they have no way to separate the models and tiers other than features and extra channels. Which is dumb in our opinion because most of us don’t need the 4channels. We just want portable, lite, but pro.

2) clearly they’re not looking at these forums
DJ Tecniq 4:18 AM - 9 January, 2019
Roland DJ 505, Pioneer SR2, Denon MC4000, Mixars Primo all of these 2 ch decks have no playhead indicator. The only solution is to get this...but i hate Rekordbox so that’s out🤷🏼‍♂️
youtu.be
dj_soo 4:48 AM - 9 January, 2019
RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
dj_soo 4:52 AM - 9 January, 2019
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The disconnect between Serato and hardware manufacturers seems to grow more and more with each new hardware release.


I wonder how the relationship actually works. Do the companies just design a controller, plop it in Serato's lap and say "make it work?"

I know when I worked in videogames, all the major console companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo had a specific set of guidelines you had to follow in order to maintain consistency in certain features and UI cues.

I wonder if Serato has a set of universal guidelines or if it's just them trying to implement whatever ideas the companies come up with?
DJ Tecniq 5:26 AM - 9 January, 2019
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RX2 doesn't let you use DVS so that's another minus with that one.
Are you kidding? What’s the purpose of that controller anyway. DVS should be pushed throughout their software.
dj_soo 5:27 AM - 9 January, 2019
the purpose it to provide a relatively full-featured standalone controller that's cheaper than a set of XDJ/CDJs and a mixer.
dj_soo 5:28 AM - 9 January, 2019
most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:51 AM - 9 January, 2019
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What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.
DJ Tecniq 7:57 AM - 9 January, 2019
I messaged Serato on fb. Here’s their reply.

Me: Will there ever be a Serato replica of this unit. Really would like a compact 2 ch controller w/DVS & jogwheel indicator. So many djs would want this especially us mobile guys. Figured I’d ask
youtu.be

Serato: Thanks for your message.

I can't really tell if there will 'ever' be a serato version of this unit, but there is already an option that meets your desired specs of 2 ch/DVS/jogwheel indicator. This would be the DDJ-SR2. It doesn't have a screen like the XDJ-RX2, but you can always get the Numark dashboard to if the screen was a 'must have' for your ideal setup.

Also, in case there's many users requesting this feature, ideally they would be posting their feedback any other suggestions on future features in the Feature Suggestions area on Serato.com:
- serato.com

This is where our products team hangs out, and view these requests. Which ultimately means they use this part of the forum to help decide what to put into future releases, so your feedback is always welcomed and the many other djs who want this can get behind the request by adding their +1.

hope this clarifies things

Me: I have the SR2 and it does not have a jogwheel playhead indicator so this is not an option. Thanks for the message. My suggestion you need a 2 ch DVS controller w/jogwheel playhead. There currently isn’t one for Serato except for the Hercules Jogvision which has no DVS or full compact features in a smaller controller.

Edit: The main thing i got wrong was I thought the XDJ controller had DVS. What a waste. Quite a confusing response considering whoever from Serato that responding didn’t understand what i meant by “jogwheel indicator” meh...
dj_soo 11:02 AM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.
HellNegative1 6:46 PM - 9 January, 2019
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most people interested in standalone gear don't care about DVS since DVS still requires a laptop.
What working DJ doesn’t have a laptop.


tons of electronic djs are all-in on standalone DJing with just a USB key. In fact, look at most newbie forums and there's a notion that ditching the laptop is the final goal of DJing.


I will continue on this. The current trend in both DJ and Production hardware is to go full standalone. In the foreseeable future, Laptops will primarily be used by DVS users. Especially as more and more affordable standalone solutions hit the market.
Mr. Goodkat 8:04 PM - 9 January, 2019
im currently working on going no laptop.

i played for years with a couple cd books and two crates of vinyl, surely 16-32 gb drive should be enough. Seems like a challenge of several sorts, not to rely on visual cues(which there are actually plenty on a cdj, but not a 13 in screen) and to be organized and more effcient(44k songs really isnt needed everytime i go dj).

plus no downloading requests(nobody tips like they used to anyway)
Gio Alex 8:56 PM - 9 January, 2019
Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.
Mr. Goodkat 9:37 PM - 9 January, 2019
serato could compete with rekordbox easily if they did that.

have organizational software for usbs (and serato dj pro if you wanted to use that), like rekordbox.

probably easier said than done though.
Gio Alex 9:40 PM - 9 January, 2019
The cool thing is they wouldn't have to worry about macOS and Windows as much. They would solely control the upgrades/updates/patches.
dj_soo 2:43 AM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.
Gio Alex 4:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.


That would be so dope!
HK1200 5:48 PM - 10 January, 2019
It would be dope until they upgraded the software to the point that the hardware they sold you for thousands of dollars a couple of years ago is no longer powerful enough to run it. Then it's "buy another one, ya rich mf" time.

They'd probably love it, but the whole "so what, buy another one" mindset doesn't really jive with me.

I absolutely see the appeal though and would pony up in a heartbeat for the right piece of equipment at the right price, but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.
Chino 6:11 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)
dj_soo 6:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?
Gio Alex 6:30 PM - 10 January, 2019
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but the game is all about planned obsolescence at this point, so that price better factor in the fact that it'll be a worthless lump in pretty much no time.


^^THIS! Maybe that will change with Technics back in the DJ game. Technics tend to make well built products that stand the test of time. (damn, I sound like a marketing ad LOL)


This is why I thought the price of the rane twelve was a bit high. At least with a turntable it still plays records. So it serves a purpose other than serato.
HellNegative1 7:04 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Going no laptop is the BIG dream. If that 72 had a OS of some sort that ran serato or anything like how the CDJs work. This would be amazing. Even a usb port to plug in thumb drives or ext hard drive.


InMusic could throw a processor from the SC5000 into a mixer since it can already handle two tracks at once. The hard part would be designing a proper UI to handle both sides that's complete enough to feel close to what a pair of SC5000 primes offer.



It can handle even more. We have thrown some crazy projects at the MPC Live and it doesnt even stutter.
HK1200 7:10 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Much like cdjs, they wouldn’t be worthless. You just couldn’t get that’s hot new feature or that one thing it may be missing.

That said, the firmware updates to the 72 and the prime stuff have been a little more robust and feature rich than what you’d see from pioneer so who knows what they can add?

Very true, though I'm personally not rushing out to buy cdj's. I skipped that fad and kept it vinyl + dvs, so to me CDJ's don't have a lot of value, which is why I kind of didn't think about them. You're right though, certain cdj units still draw some fair money. The large majority of them ended up in junk piles though I imagine because there were a lot of crappy offerings over the years, but there are definitely some undeniable gems out there for what they were.

The controller market on the other hand, I don't know. Being all in one, something mission critical is more than likely going to break or malfunction eventually, rendering the whole shebang out of service and in need of repair. Doubly so if it's a true all in one computer free affair I'd imagine. If it's end of life and out of warranty it may or may not be an expensive proposition to fix, if the manufacturer is even willing to continue to service them like due to parts availability. Then there is the time involved. Cuts into my perceived value anyway. At least with a modular setup like cdj's, vinyl, or a 12, you can source and swap out the individual component to keep you going if you even need to do that much.

Like you said, even when everything is working fine, those new features can really be tempting. Sometimes you've just gotta have them. The hard part then becomes convincing the other guy that he doesn't need them and Twitch is every bit as good and functional as SDJ 5. ...and paying for the new hot shit, of course. If two twelves and a 72 are like 4 or 5 grand I can only imagine where they'd price such a beast. 7 or 8g's? 12,500 in Canada? Lmao, I'd still love to see it though.
HK1200 9:42 PM - 10 January, 2019
All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.
Gio Alex 9:47 PM - 10 January, 2019
well instead of matching waveforms it could just show you the track data like a cdj does.
dj_soo 10:15 PM - 10 January, 2019
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I skipped that fad


it's not really a "fad" at this point. It's basically the standard.
HK1200 10:27 PM - 10 January, 2019
Fair enough, but I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props" was often uttered, even if it isn't really an accurate mantra anymore as they did seem to end up winning the mainstream dj format wars. You pretty much had to learn to deal with them if there weren't any 1200's around and you weren't bringing your own.

As a format though, CD's are pretty much done. They're on life support, anyway. On the bright side, Technics is making the 1200 again, so maybe the format war isn't over after all.
dj_soo 10:32 PM - 10 January, 2019
Yea, CDs are long done, but the "CDJ' is now just a synonymous term for a standalone USB media player.

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I'm from a time and place where the phrase "Cdj's get no props"


That time was 10 years ago.
dj_soo 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com
HK1200 10:39 PM - 10 January, 2019
The strong preference towards an SL1200 is timeless, imho.
HK1200 11:02 PM - 10 January, 2019
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All that said, I can't help but picture something like a 72 with a latching hinged lid, that when opened would reveal a large color display.

Lose the laptop, but keep the mixer/soundcard/computer/screen unit separate from the decks, do it at less than the cost of a gently used Honda, and we just might be talking.


I remember Thud Rumble was working on a mixer with a built in PC that would run Traktor:

djworx.com


$1700 probably wouldn't have been an unreasonable ask at all, had it come true. Traktor though. Wouldn't it be be nice if it could run whatever you wanted, assuming you paid for the license? Man, that would be sweet.
dj_soo 11:37 PM - 10 January, 2019
I mean, it's just a mini windows tablet built into a mixer loaded up with the sofware. Traktor actually allows for touch screen controls tho which is why they probably chose it since Serato is still falling behind on a good touch screen or ios version of their software.

Today, you could probably have traktor or DJay Pro or something loaded up on an ipad and slot it into a mixer running a sound card or something and get the same results.
HK1200 12:03 AM - 11 January, 2019
Kind of surprising that none of the major players have done it.

I'd be lying if I said that I haven't dreamed of cobbling something of my own together out of an old flight case or something. Mini PC in the base, either a Serato enabled mixer or even an analog one with an sl box stuffed in there, screen on a hinge with a thumb screw to tighten it down at whatever angle works for you, maybe a mini trackball or one of those little nubbins the thinkpads use recessed somewhere in the face of the mixer or something... Then just a single power cord, and connect your deck of choice.

Shit sounds like a lot of work though. Can't Rane just make one for us? Lol
DJ JulioYEG 1:41 AM - 11 January, 2019
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"Cdj's get no props"

we talking about cdj 100s??
HK1200 1:46 AM - 11 January, 2019
Yup, we sure are.
DJ JulioYEG 1:53 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Yup, we sure are.

stanton was ahead of the game at that time u missed out.
www.amazon.ca
HK1200 2:09 AM - 11 January, 2019
Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.
DJ JulioYEG 2:14 AM - 11 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.

numark cdn 450 brotha then i had the icd mix 2 lol with the built in mixer
HK1200 2:20 AM - 11 January, 2019
My man, lol.
DJ JulioYEG 2:29 AM - 11 January, 2019
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My man, lol.

trust g back in simpler times when id have a peice of paper in front of every cd slot with a piece of paper with the track time title and bpm and id highlight the best track green seccond best yellow and 3rd best blue lol
DJ Tecniq 2:35 AM - 11 January, 2019
Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔
HK1200 3:24 AM - 11 January, 2019
Ah, yes, of course, the Primo! Sorry, A.D.D makes it hard to stay focused for months on end. Lmfao

It's the only non spinning deck all in one style controller I'm really all that interested in. I hope they're actually able to pull it off, and do it well. I'd consider adding one to the arsenal if it turns out as well as I l'd like to hope.
Dj L-Biz 3:14 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Someone go resurrect Vestax and have them make a VCI 380 MK II


I second this.
I still happily use my vci380, its a proper work horse.

To me it seems baffling that Vestax had such a forward thinking design team and no other company has picked up on all the positives from the vci380 and incorporated them into other controllers. If only Vestax had got the dvs firmware upgrade out before their demise, it would still be a near perfect controller.

Positives that I feel should be included in all mid-range controllers of a similar size/footprint and above imho:
Tension adjustable jogs
Led position display in jog wheels
Touch strip
dvs options (ok it didn't happen for the vci380 but the potential was there)
Removable user replaceable x fader
Spare in & outs - mic & aux as well as those needed for potential dvs

Anyway, just my 2 cents, as i'm happy to keep using mine (when not using dvs) with a feature set/design/tech that has existed for 6-7 years, at least until something that ticks all the boxes (for me) comes out
jprime 4:52 PM - 11 January, 2019
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Can we go back to talking about the Primo...Nevermind they’ll prob change the release date again. We’ll see what Feb brings🤔


Yes....patiently waiting here. checking Long & McQuade's site daily to see if it's in stock.
HK1200 5:49 PM - 11 January, 2019
The Primo is pretty much the only thing that kept me from finally breaking down and buying a 380. Lack of DVS and no company left to speak of were obviously big considerations, though theres no telling how long Mixars may or may not be around. Guess I'll keep my fingers crossed for them.
deejayfatcat 3:15 AM - 12 January, 2019
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Lol, who remembers the old 2-piece rack mount cd decks? One rack mount unit face out for your Cd trays, like an amp, and a separate rack mount control panel for your coffin.

Mad props if you rocked out on one of those.


Pre 2000, most clubs had 1200s and a Denon 1800/2100/2600F. Also, most mobile jocks ran them too. When pioneer first came out with a shuttle style player before the tabletop format. I had a 2100F and it was essential in that time where MP3s became commonplace but DVS wasn’t mature yet(around 94-99)
HK1200 4:26 AM - 12 January, 2019
Yup, I was around, but I was still a vinyl holdout at that point. For permanent installs in clubs and such they were definitely installed almost as standard operating procedure. Like every bar, club, strip joint, etc, but generally they would be used in situations where the Dj was expected to be more of an MC than mixologist, on regular nights anyway. Not to say that some folks couldn't get down on them and mix their asses off, but realistically their limitations prevented them from being used under a lot of circumstances. In the crowds I rolled in there was simply no place for them, but even back then I could always respect the guys who used them to host events because those types of gigs took a whole different skill set to pull off week after week. Mic work, being a cordial host, guiding ceremonies and such, taking requests and customer service. It's just a whole different level.

The rack mount style were well suited to the mobile guys of the day, being a hell of a lot lighter and easier to lug around than 1200's and 8+ hours of vinyl and whatnot. If the events you were doing were the type where they look at you funny for scratching in a track or if quick mixes were all that was required, who could blame ya for lighting your load? Pio sure turned that side of the market on it's ear though.. and for the better, all considered. The evolution was substantial. The explosion in the controller market overall only makes sense as a natural progression.

The Primo looks like it might be a lot of fun, especially considering it's size and format. It wouldn't replace my 1200's, but I could actually see myself dragging it all over the place just for the hell of it. That would be a nice change of pace.
HellNegative1 1:19 PM - 12 January, 2019
Just checked the midi implementation chart for the primo. Will have to verify once it actually comes out and I get to map one to Traktor, but it does look like the LED ring has individually addressable LED's via Midi CC. Which would mean that the track position indicator being left out is a decision by Serato and not Mixars. However, there are only 18 LED's to form the entire ring, so position display may not be very accurate.
GC-Intl 8:51 PM - 14 January, 2019
For all who had the same question regarding POST CROSSFADER FX:

From the PRIMO manual section C)

There are 2 audio routing settings in Primo, namely the Serato routing and non-Serato routing.
In Serato mode routing, the Primo acts as a controller and most of the mixing is done in Serato DJ software.
** It allows post-crossfader FX from Serato DJ. **
HK1200 8:57 PM - 14 January, 2019
Excellent.
Logisticalstyles 4:16 PM - 18 January, 2019
ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
DJ Tecniq 4:50 PM - 18 January, 2019
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ZZounds.com has it in stock now. I just got the email from them. $549.00
Nice are you purchasing? I really wanna see a demo first before i make that decision.
Logisticalstyles 5:14 PM - 18 January, 2019
Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
HK1200 7:01 PM - 18 January, 2019
$550 is a nice price for this. I hope to hear good things. It's definitely on my radar for a side-piece.
DJ Tecniq 11:46 PM - 18 January, 2019
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Nah, right now I'm considering getting rid of the SR2 and just going back to strictly using turntables. I might even consider a 72/Twelve set up.
I feel you i already have a S9 and t-tables but i rarely get time to use it since my son has been born. I got the SR2 but would rather want a full pitch slider so may sell it for the Primo. Awaiting YouTube for the demos...hehe
dj_soo 2:05 AM - 19 January, 2019
I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
DJ Tecniq 8:21 AM - 19 January, 2019
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I stopped using controllers and am strictly using the 72 and the denon 3900s for all my gigs now. Smaller ones, I just bring a single deck.

So much more fun than using a controller.
I hear you. My S9 & tables stay at home. The SR2 is for mobile use if it had a full pitch slider I’d prob keep it. The key shifting is a cool function and there’s been no talk of the Mixars having the same feature? Gonna wait I guess
dj_soo 8:25 AM - 19 January, 2019
should be able to map it - that's what I've done with controllers in the past.
Logisticalstyles 2:52 PM - 19 January, 2019
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The key shifting is a cool function

If I sell my SR2 that will be one features I'll miss. I'm sure it can be mapped but the placement of the controls on the SR2 is perfect for me.
DJ Tecniq 1:51 PM - 22 January, 2019
So who’s got the Primo? Seeing on a lot of online stores it’s selling out...🤔
jprime 5:36 PM - 22 January, 2019
Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
DJ Tecniq 5:47 PM - 22 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.
Saw some stores it can be purchased pre-order. Spoke to zzounds and they said Jan 26th they’ll receive shipment but that is not certain from the manufacturer yet. Still playing the waiting game...😬
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:40 PM - 24 January, 2019
If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
jprime 8:45 PM - 24 January, 2019
Except there's nowhere to buy it online yet :(
dj_soo 8:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
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Nothing in the Canadian online stores I'm looking at daily.


Available for preorder here: www.avshop.ca
DJ Tecniq 8:56 PM - 24 January, 2019
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If they are actually becoming available why not just go ahead and order one and do hands on evaluation of it?

With the unit only costing $550, if I was interested in it I would get one and try it out before waiting to get someone else opinion on them.

First hand evaluation is always your best route on gear and we are talking about a pretty minor amount to spend.
Great point but i don’t want to be an early tester if say the unit is defective in some way. The cool thing about zzounds is they have a “pay as you play” option where they bill you monthly and ship the unit to you with no credit check. I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo. I’m gonna wait and see demo’s. Can someone confirm if Mixars is at NAMM? Maybe we’ll finally see the unit in the works...crosses fingers🤞🏼
DJ Tecniq 9:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
If you want to get a great deal Agiprodj is having a moving sale. On their site the Primo is retailed at $599.00 if you use their code “movingsale” at checkout you can preorder the Primo for only $509.00 new. That’s a $90 discount not bad.
www.agiprodj.com
DJ Tecniq 9:51 PM - 24 January, 2019
However some sites are selling it for $549.00 while others are selling it for $599.00 which i find out but I’m sure they can price match.
DJ Tecniq 10:34 PM - 24 January, 2019
Find odd*
HellNegative1 6:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
ZZounds will price match and sometimes price beat.
DJ Nin 7:44 PM - 25 January, 2019
Still no new videos on this mythical piece of gear
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 8:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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I already have the SR2 but need to sell it first before purchasing the Primo.


That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
DJ Tecniq 10:14 PM - 25 January, 2019
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That's one thing me and my wife have always agreed on I never get rid of something until I know for sure the replacement works.
That means meets my needs as well as a working unit.

Just seems to cause fewer speed bumps.
Agreed. I just hope the mic preamp on the Primo delivers cause the SR2 is god awful but like most Pioneer controllers their mic preamp is shit.
Ollieboy 10:56 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
DJ Nin 11:01 PM - 25 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)


(1989 Keanu Reeves Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Voice)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA

That's great news.
DJ Tecniq 12:59 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)
Holy shit...finally a 2 ch controller with LED indicator. May just pre order sooner than i thought🤔
Gio Alex 1:43 AM - 26 January, 2019
Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
Ollieboy 2:33 AM - 26 January, 2019
Going back tomorrow. I'll try and get it on video as well as more info. It was working great. Aaron the sales rep was very informative. Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.
DJ Tecniq 4:35 AM - 26 January, 2019
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Didn’t Pio say that would be a thing for teh SR2 as well or was that people requesting it?
As far as i know i doubt it for the SR2. Def needs a full pitch slider though
Gio Alex 5:37 AM - 26 January, 2019
Damn I read that somewhere. Maybe it was feature request and not a thing they said.
Clubber1970 8:53 PM - 26 January, 2019
DJ Tecniq 11:04 PM - 26 January, 2019
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Looks dope i love the built in fx cause the SR2 does not have that and I’m not a fan of SDJ fx. Looks solid. Noticed how he said it’s been widely talked about on the Serato forum...well yeah it was supposed to come out 2 yrs ago.
DJ Tecniq 12:49 AM - 27 January, 2019
My only concern is I hope the Primo can fit my Pioneer case if not I’ll have to sell both the SR2 & case.
Ollieboy 3:20 AM - 27 January, 2019
Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
Ollieboy 6:00 AM - 27 January, 2019
More video from TheDjHookup
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 7:03 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2
Ollieboy 7:40 AM - 27 January, 2019
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Playing a little with the Primo
youtu.be
The build quality looks really good and maybe it’s just me but the jogwheels look bigger than the SR2. I love the built in fx that’s one thing the SR2 is missing. Will def be selling my SR2

I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
DJ Tecniq 8:45 AM - 27 January, 2019
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I like the fact that it's USB and DC/adapter power optional. Has all the important features you need.
SR2 is the same but what i love most it has a lot of features the SR2 does not.
dj_soo 10:47 AM - 27 January, 2019
I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:24 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
Clubber1970 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


Well there is an option in Serato for that to be able to use the strip only in pause mode.
Ollieboy 6:09 AM - 28 January, 2019
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There's still no guarantee that the LED ring around the platter is actually an indicator. It could function like the nearly useless LED ring around the SR2 platter.

Per the Mixars Rep at NAMM the indicator will be inlcuded on the firmware update. Also they had an innofader installed in it. ( It does notcome with one preinstalled but this one had it)

Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.


I told the rep that. There should be a way to disable it but I haven't checked.
DJ Tecniq 6:10 AM - 28 January, 2019
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Seems like a very strange thing to add, that's more of a from the beginning feature????

The needle search looks like it's in the perfect location for you to drag across it by accident.
You can disable needle search while the track is playing it’s in the software settings. The SR2 has the needle search at the top and I’ve hit it a few times at gigs when applying fx so therefore i disabled it so when the deck is paused you can still needle search tbh I like the placement better on the Primo.
jprime 10:26 PM - 29 January, 2019
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Apparently the stock was here but was being held up at the docks. (customs) so hence the delay but should be out now for shipping.


Quality info there thanks.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:57 PM - 30 January, 2019
I could never disable it because I use it because it aligns perfectly with the wave forms on the screens.
I never could make use of the needle search until I changed to that setup.

I would definitely be more likely to bump strip with my hands on the jogs than when reaching for the effects but that's just me.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 4:01 PM - 30 January, 2019
AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
DJ Tecniq 1:06 AM - 31 January, 2019
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AMS says they have it in stock ready to ship.

Hopefully this means they are actually available and people are getting their hands on them.
It’s true thedjhookup.com will have it in stock tomorrow they quoted me $489.00 presale price but I’m gonna wait it out still. There currently is no protective case for it yet and I want to protect my investment. Also I’m gonna wait to hear reviews on it but it looks like many online retailers will have it in stock. If anyone here purchases it plz let me know after reviewing it👍🏼
Johnnynights 9:39 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Johnnynights 9:40 PM - 31 January, 2019
I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
dj_soo 9:44 PM - 31 January, 2019
If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.
HellNegative1 10:25 PM - 31 January, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro
Ollieboy 4:14 AM - 1 February, 2019
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If the reports are true, then it should easily beat the SX2 in sound quality. It's not like the SX2 is particularly known for good sound.

I'm following this controller closely - thought it was just never going to appear and the Mixars was going under, but it's nice to see it released it after debuting it way back at NAMM 2017.


I'm really hoping that the Primo helps Mixars bounce back from the Quattro


I think it will. As long as the glitches are kept to a minimum or null, it's gonna be a hit. Also if they fullfill the request for LED indicator.
DJ Tecniq 4:22 AM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Johnnynights 11:44 PM - 1 February, 2019
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I placed an order for the mixars primo and should be here on saturday..

I will compare it to my pioneer ddj sx2 even though is a 4 channel controller....I really hope it sounds better than the sx2...what I like about the primo is that is a small controller..
Nice. Did you get a great deal? Keep us posted.
Yeah I got it for 470 from my dealer...for sure I will...I'm pumped to try it...if it's that better from my sx2 i will sell my sx2...
DJ Tecniq 6:09 PM - 3 February, 2019
So who’s got the Primo can’t believe no reviews are out yet🤔
Mike.C 1:40 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
DJ Tecniq 3:50 AM - 4 February, 2019
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You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.
Nice i thought I read somewhere it had dedicated pitch play. Still this is a great replacement for the SR2 it really offers more for the value. I’m dying to see a review🙏🏼
dj_soo 9:31 AM - 4 February, 2019
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I wish it had dedicated key shifting controls like the SR2. The standard key shifting controls are a pain to get to - you have to switch to pitch play, and then use shift and the parameter buttons - a little too many presses to be convenient imo.



You can key shift by pressing shift + the pitch range +/- buttons. No need to go into pitch play mode.


oh man, I want this controller even more now. Really, really hope this thing doesn't have any major fuckups. If they actually get the LED ring indicator functionality, the only thing it's missing for me is tension adjustable platters.
jprime 4:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Beuller? Anyone get it in their hands yet? Patiently waiting for it to show up in the Canadian online stores as available and not pre order.
Djkom 5:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com
Johnnynights 6:12 PM - 4 February, 2019
I got the controller and so far I love it...very portable the knobs and jog wheels everything feels like good quality for me...however the 8 pads I like them better on the ddj sx2 but that's just me...the on board fx are awesome to have...also the primo is way louder than my sx2 in output(maybe different gain settings)...like when I'm on the last green it sounds way louder and crispier than my sx2...sound quality I think this sounds way better than my sx2...I will test it out on a big system when I get a chance.

Everything else I like the primo better than my sx2...looks like it's going to replace my ddj sx2 for most of my gigs..

Feel free to ask me anything about it...
Johnnynights 6:17 PM - 4 February, 2019
Also another thing it has aux/mic switch in front(rca input)...crossfader curve knob adjustment..

Hats off to mixars they did an awesome small controller with almost everything a dj wants...

Only thing I wished it had would be tension adjustable platters like dj_soo said up there.
Johnnynights 6:20 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
DJ Nin 6:23 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
Ollieboy 6:26 PM - 4 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.


So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?


The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
DJ Tecniq 6:43 PM - 4 February, 2019
Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!
dj_soo 7:33 PM - 4 February, 2019
Can you give the rough dimensions? They still don’t list them on their site
DJ Nin 7:53 PM - 4 February, 2019
Per zzounds;

- Dimensions: 20" x 13" x 2.6" in
- Weight: 9 lbs.
DJ Tecniq 8:32 PM - 4 February, 2019
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The crossfader is swappable with the Inofader if needed.
Personally love this. The SR2 is not listed as compatible on innofaders website only the SR is listed. It’s awesome the Primo is compatible!
Dj Youkai 4:06 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Johnnynights 6:59 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.

So how do the jog wheels feel compared to the SX2? They look bigger in pictures.

Also, how's the crossfader compared to SX2?
The jog wheels feel good they feel a bit more lighter than my sx2...the crossfader I didnt really mess with it but as soon as I do..i will give you my input on it..I heard you can swap a innofader in these..
Johnnynights 7:03 AM - 5 February, 2019
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Plz test the mic for us. And i really love that they added two LED ch indicators. Pioneers is so fucking small it’s sad. Congrats!

Oh yeah I still gotta test that one out too..the led ch indicators I love that it has them..thanks so far I'm loving the controller..I cant believe I'm actually liking this controller better than my sx2..maybe of how compact it is.
dj_soo 7:09 AM - 5 February, 2019
can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?
Johnnynights 7:10 AM - 5 February, 2019
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This dude already got it:

www.instagram.com

That's me sir lol...I still gotta play more with the controller and will give more reviews.
Awesome.. I'm So Itching More To Press Buy at AMS LOL. Question, How Big are the Jogwheels? Are they the Same Size as They SX? Or SZ.. Cause it Looks Pretty Big
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Lol you will like it...they are like the same size as a ddj sx2..yeah they look big because the size of the controller is pretty small ..

Now I need to get a case for it lol.

If any of you guys get it..I'm sure you will like it just like me...
Johnnynights 7:24 AM - 5 February, 2019
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can you snap a shot of it next to the SX2 when you get the chance?

Yeah for sure check my ig page
dj_soo 8:57 AM - 5 February, 2019
awesome - looks pretty much the same size as a VCI-380
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:04 AM - 5 February, 2019
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Yeah for sure check my ig page


Is it class complaint on MacOS?
dj_soo 9:46 AM - 5 February, 2019
No driver for Mac so sounds like it
DJ Nin 3:30 PM - 5 February, 2019
I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.
Dj Youkai 4:32 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Thanks For the Your Review. I think I found a Magma Case that Wil fit Almost Perfectly for the Mixars Primo
It's the Magma CTRL Case XXL II DJ Controller Case. Here are the specs.
External dimensions (H/W/D): 25″ x 14.4″ x 3.2″
Internal dimensions (H/W/D): 24.2″ x 13.3″ x 2.7″
Weight: 5 lbs

The Mixars Primo Dimensions are:
20 x 13 x 2.6 inches

The it's like 4.2 inches longer, but that extra space might be great for your usb cables and ac adapter. 😊
Hope This Helps 😊
cosmicbaggy 4:44 PM - 5 February, 2019
Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...
DJ Nin 4:50 PM - 5 February, 2019
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Looking forward to keeping peeled to this thread.

Not going to get too excited until you guys have road tested it over several hours use in a real-world scenario and it's held up to a few months heavy use to see if we get any major faults or niggles (Hi Roland...).

Enjoy...


No doubt. I get that.

I have a couple Casino gigs later this month where I play from 6-2. Assuming there are no hiccups on Friday, I'll be using the Primo there as well.
Johnnynights 4:51 PM - 5 February, 2019
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I got my Primo yesterday. I'm diggin' it.

Jog wheels are on point. Very responsive. Possibly the best on a controller that I've used actually. Still need the damn PLAYBACK POSITION INDICATOR, but they are a lot better than the jogs on the SX 2 as is. I also own a VCI 380 & Reloop Terminal Mix 8 and I would say the Primo's jog wheels trump both of those controllers as well.

Crossfader is ok. Standard controller stock crossfader. Will probably install the Innofader.

Wasn't really impressed with the hardware effects. Other than the filter I don't really see myself using the other 3 but perhaps that will change. Prefer the Serato Echo Out to the Echo on the Primo.

No driver needed for Mac.

Jog wheels are bigger than SX but smaller than SZ. Entire diameter is 6". The touch surface portion of the wheel is 5".

I have a newborn son, so I couldn't really test the sound. Was just mixing in headphones.

I'm using the Magma Carry Lite XL case for now.

Plan on using the Primo at a gig on Friday.

Awesome bro yeah I feel you on the onboard fx I'm only using the filter but however I still like the filter on my ddj sx2 better but that's not issue..

I need to get a case soon..ima look into those magma bags...I think I'm no longer going to use the mini coffins
DJ Nin 4:56 PM - 5 February, 2019
Yeah, I agree SX 2 Filter is better, but like you said not a big deal.

This is the case I have. XL Plus version. Really light..

www.zzounds.com
DJ Tecniq 5:08 PM - 5 February, 2019
How is the sound quality? 6” platters i think are slightly bigger than the SR2.
DJ Nin 5:21 PM - 5 February, 2019
I haven't had a chance to hook it up to speakers yet. Just messed around for about an hour with headphones on. Sounds good in headphones, but not really a fair assessment.
DJ Tecniq 5:41 PM - 5 February, 2019
Primo case mentioned here by Magma
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Dj Youkai 10:41 AM - 6 February, 2019
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Thanks, Saw that Before, Just I don't think it was out yet at AMS. So I just went for another Magma Case that fits close to it.
DJ Alibi 3:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
DJ Tecniq 5:28 AM - 8 February, 2019
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Got mine a couple of days ago, I am pretty happy with it, i used to own a Mixars Duo and loved it, but sold it because i had to pack up my turntables for a while, so its like a Duo with jog wheels, lol, (minus the innofader) . the jog wheels are good, but at first they were a little "too" good, kind of wish they would have made a tension knob, but they work.. i bought 2 Numark PT01 scratch to use with the DVS function and just use those for jogs.. overall, i like it better than the Roland dj_505 i had, the cue buttons on the 505 were horrible, even after settings, i sold it, very happy with this, works well with Serato, no glitches so far. not gonna lie, kind of hope it will work with other software as well, i hate mapping shit, i just dont have the patience and time lol!
How’s the sound quality and test out the mic output if you can.
Johnnynights 6:00 AM - 8 February, 2019
I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
DJ Tecniq 8:56 AM - 8 February, 2019
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I still gotta test that out for you DJ Tecniq...this week coming up I got a gig that there will be a lot of speech done..I will use a shure wired mic...instead of my wireless one.
Cool man thanks. Was able to get the Primo pre order pricing to extend till this week so i may jump on it early after all.
DJ Nin 9:37 PM - 8 February, 2019
From Serato regarding the jog wheel indicator..
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Glad to hear you are enjoying the Mixars Primo and we appreciate your feedback on the integration. Its great to hear from people who are actually using the controller!

During development Mixars and Serato decided to use the platter ring to display track load status and track end warning. Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring. We are currently working with Mixars to get this feature included in a future release of Serato DJ. No dates yet sorry.

Hope that helps!
Sam GG
DJ Tecniq 10:11 PM - 8 February, 2019
I just ordered mine was able to still get preorder pricing even though it's already in stock got it for $489.00 via thedjhookup.com. Those guys rule! Can't wait to compare this with my SR2...I will be doing a review comparing the two. Shall be fun.
DJ Tecniq 10:12 PM - 8 February, 2019
Used PayPal credit so I'm not breaking my bank quite yet.
DJ Tecniq 10:20 PM - 8 February, 2019
Also zzounds gave me a price quote of $511 which is pretty decent. They could not price match what I was quoted from djhookup only advertised. However Zzounds has an awesome "pay as you play" option/no credit check and no interest if paid in full in 6-12months.
Logisticalstyles 10:26 PM - 8 February, 2019
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Only after we had finished up on development did we start to see a lot of DJ’s asking for a scratch indicator to be displayed on the LED platter ring.


DJs have been asking for jog wheel indicators ever since companies started making controllers without jog wheel indicators. It's funny how he tries to make it sound like some new request from DJs.
dj_soo 10:30 PM - 8 February, 2019
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this is just so hard to believe imo - it leads me to believe that a lot of these developers are living in a bit of a bubble when it comes to designing the products.
DJ Tecniq 10:46 PM - 8 February, 2019
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It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.
DJ Tecniq 10:48 PM - 8 February, 2019
But seriously maybe them adding this indicator in the Primo will raise the bar for 2 ch decks. Honestly what kind of 2 ch battle/controller DJ doesn’t want that option🤷🏼‍♂️
DJ Alibi 1:01 AM - 9 February, 2019
i have never played on an SR-2, do they have indicators? and yes i will test the mic tonight!
dj_soo 1:13 AM - 9 February, 2019
no indicators on the SR2.
Logisticalstyles 1:21 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.
DJ Tecniq 1:28 AM - 9 February, 2019
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no jogwheel indicators unfortunately but a pretty neat controller still. The negatives non full pitch slider, no xfade reverse,curve knob, no aux channel, no mic fx...the Primo literally offers much more imo.
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dj_soo 1:38 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


I stopped using controllers once I got my 72 in the summer. Never want to go back to lugging turntables out (which is a reason I don't want the 20 lbs Twelves), but with my Denon SC3900s, it's a lot more manageable, and for smaller gigs, I'll just bring a single.

A few of my regular gigs have been a lot more fun once I went back to the spinning platters.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:10 AM - 9 February, 2019
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It’s just marketing to them they want us to fork up $1000+ on a 4 ch/jogwheel indicator deck...not having it cause literally every working DJ i know is hardly using more than 2 ch’s...wedding djs i get it.


How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?
DJ Tecniq 3:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 3:46 AM - 9 February, 2019
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Well when you come from battle mixers and DVS mixers you can literally drop tracks left and right with the software built in so 4 tracks at a time or 4 channels for that matter is quite pointless imo. Maybe I’m just oldschool and prefer a 2 ch environment.


I know I'm much older school than you and over the years we always struggled to find ways to use more than just (2) 1200.
My original reason for leaving Scratch and going to Traktor was to get 4 decks.
Still miss certain things about Traktor but I survive.

I think the worst marketing ploy they have is that button that allows you to do 4 decks on a 2 channel unit because not having 4 faders with 4 decks is not a fun way to work.

I guess Mixar felt that the 4 channel market was a harder arena to jump in?
Will be really interesting to see if they add the indicator for playback and how it actually pans out.
dj_soo 4:30 AM - 9 February, 2019
My guess is that they saw an opening in the market and went for it. When it was first announced, there were no 2 channel controllers capable of DVS, now there are still only 2 available.

And there are still no controllers that fulfil the niche that wanted something similar to the VCI 380 - which was a compact controller with pro features.

The 4 channel market is crowded as all fuck as is the beginner market, but no one was making a more pro 2 channel controller since vestax when it was announced.
DJ Nin 7:35 AM - 9 February, 2019
I used the Primo tonight for the 1st time at a gig.

Sound quality is good. Definitely sounds better & louder than my SX 2.

Mic output was good too. Was getting feedback initially, but I swapped cables and then it sounded a lot better
deejayfatcat 1:15 PM - 9 February, 2019
This is really encouraging. I’m going to see if it will fit in my MC4000 case.
DJ dVO 2:31 PM - 9 February, 2019
The Mixers Primo is a great replacement for users of a VCI-380 or the likes. Everything I read about the Primo is awesome! It bags a lot of punches for a small controller! And at $549, it can't go wrong! I wish they hadn't used a 12V DC power cable though. This thing gets damaged so easily!

I have been looking for a replacement for my VCI-380 but real standalone (laptop-less) controllers are here so getting the Primo would be a one to one replacement. I hope to be less reliant on my old laptop for gigs.

As much as I like about the Primo, I am going to wait out a tad longer to see what's in the pipeline for a compact standalone controller.
DJ Tecniq 7:52 PM - 9 February, 2019
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I also forgot to mention i personally love 2 ch devices because it saves more space with t-tables combined. I prefer the t-tables as close as possible. With a 4 ch deck is less space. I understand 4 ch’s have their place but there isn’t a big market for 2 ch controllers. Mixers on the other hand is different. There needs to be more balance so I’m hoping we’ll see more 2 ch controllers coming into the market esp for Serato cause it’s very limited. Not every mobile/club DJ wants to haul around a 4 ch deck.
Gio Alex 3:05 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Nope, and Djs were requesting indicators way before that controller came out. Jog wheel indicators should be standard on all controllers by now. This is why I'm going to be selling my SR2 soon. I'm going back to strictly turntables. Maybe Twelves once I stop hearing about issues with that controller but I'm done with controllers for now.


it's basically their way of separating the tiers and justifying having to buy the other ones by having less or more features on certain models. It's crazy because I wouldn't mind forking more money for a portable, smaller sized controller, but full professional features. To me, an SZ2 or whatever isn't really mobile. just my opinion.
Logisticalstyles 5:18 PM - 11 February, 2019
I can imagine in the future DJs talking about how hard they had it back in the days using jog wheels with no indicators. Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.
577er 5:40 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.
Gio Alex 5:50 PM - 11 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.


LOL
jprime 5:57 PM - 11 February, 2019
Still not available in Canadian online stores. Sigh
dj_soo 6:53 PM - 11 February, 2019
That was me waiting for the 72. Didn’t hit Canadian stores til like August or something when it released in the states in april
jprime 7:01 PM - 11 February, 2019
Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
DJ Tecniq 7:28 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments
dj_soo 7:31 PM - 11 February, 2019
I’ve ordered from b&h a few times to Canada and they’ve been pretty good - no shipping costs for orders over $100.

Duty wise, it’s a crapshoot. Looking at the price difference between the one Canadian store that has it listed, it’s only about a $30 difference, but you’d likely have to cover the taxes as well.
jprime 7:35 PM - 11 February, 2019
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Maybe I should bite the bullet and order from the US...any idea what the duty costs are?
agiprodj has 15-20% off now. Or try zzounds.com and “pay as you play” option and do monthly payments


That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
DJ Tecniq 1:18 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.
DJ JulioYEG 1:19 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.

the economy
DJ Tecniq 1:30 AM - 12 February, 2019
www.acclaim-music.com you try this Canadian store?
DJ Tecniq 1:31 AM - 12 February, 2019
dj_soo 1:47 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
DJ Tecniq 5:35 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:52 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.
yes! but u gotta have connections as profit margins are smaller unless your buying anything canadian made such as yorkville
There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?
DJ JulioYEG 5:53 AM - 12 February, 2019
idk wtf just happened but : yes! t u gotta have connections tho as profit margins are smaller so discounts are more rare unless your buying anything Canadian made such as Yorkville
dj_soo 6:08 AM - 12 February, 2019
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That pay as you play is only available if you are in the US.
damn my bad what it is the hold up in Canada.


Couple things most likely:

In a high demand product (no idea how much in demand the primo is), we’re pretty low priority since we’re such a small market - California has more people in it than all of Canada.

Second, in order to sell products in Canada, everything needs to be translated to French - although I don’t anticipate a problem with that since manuals tend to ship in multiple languages, and Mixars is an Italian company.

There also could be some consumer protection requirements that differ from the US that they need to adhere to.
I checked Canadian prices it’s very expensive compared to U.S. can Canadian stores offer discounts or no?


$550 USD = $730 CAD so it's not that much more. The cost difference is likely due to import costs and duty.
jprime 5:16 PM - 12 February, 2019
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My bad www.acclaim-music.com


Looks like a winner here. Even offers a promo code for first timers. Cheers man :)
Ollieboy 10:19 PM - 12 February, 2019
A few side by sides with the DDj-SR, Primo, and VCI-380
Also looks like the primo fits the Magma Bag for the SR well. I really want a Decksaver for it though.
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dj_soo 11:30 PM - 12 February, 2019
Hope that thing fits in my bike messenger bag. I've been enjoying biking to some of my smaller gigs and my VCI 380 fits perfectly in my large saddle bag with room for a laptop, stand, and various cables/chargers.
Ollieboy 1:17 AM - 13 February, 2019
Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
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DJ Tecniq 6:04 AM - 13 February, 2019
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Mic test. Couldn't do it justice cause I was at the house but so far so good. Had the MiC and my phone in one hand and adjusting with the other so the tone effect you couldn't hear.
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Really appreciate you for doing this curious as to which wireless system you were using. From what I can see the Primo was connected out to your wireless? The mic sounded great and i like how full the EQ made the mic sound. Very good
DJ Tecniq 6:06 AM - 13 February, 2019
This is really reassuring considering my Primo will arrive V-Day👍🏼
DJ Tecniq 4:36 AM - 15 February, 2019
Size comparison. So far I love the jogwheels getting used to them is tricky coming from a Pioneer deck cause it’s completely different they have a rubber feel to them which for me allow my finger tips to stick better. Was surprised the Primo is actually smaller but looks wider. Sound quality I believe is improved compared to the SR2. The filter fx are nothing impressive and can seem overbearing but hopefully there’s a way to tweak that in settings. Too early to tell still but i feel i can scratch easier and the xfade cut is sharper. Love the curve control & reverse xfader. Very handy
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DJ Tecniq 4:39 AM - 15 February, 2019
The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.
Ollieboy 6:24 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
DJ Tecniq 7:44 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Maybe find some foam padding to fill it in.
Great suggestion however the foam pads that latch on underneath the laptop stand that keep my SR2 in place are too small for the Primo. Not too familiar with other foam padding I’ll try a google search. Thanks!
DJ Tecniq 7:53 AM - 15 February, 2019
What I did notice about the Primo it has more weight to it compared to my SR2. It feels solid underneath. Maybe they used better HQ parts? What I didn’t like my left pitch slider doesn’t lock as tight in the middle position (0 point) as my right side slider. The right side locks and makes more noise than my left. I’m going to test it out more I haven’t had much time. Will not be gigging with it it’s for home use. I can’t take chances with it for important gigs.
Dj Youkai 11:09 AM - 15 February, 2019
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The negative...it doesn’t fit my Pioneer case it’s too small and the bumpers on the case don’t even touch the controller to keep it in place. The power adapter is just a generic power cable it is not made by Mixars which i thought was odd.

Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
DJ Tecniq 2:11 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

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DJ Tecniq 2:14 PM - 15 February, 2019
The Magma Riot XL is awesome. Extremely rugged and plenty to store it’s carried my S9 everywhere before I got a controller. Ask for a discount i got mine for 10% off for Xmas 3 yrs ago.
John Calipari 3:28 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Kinda like how turntable DJs reminisce over having started out with belt driven turntables.


Or turntables with no Pitch Controls
Dj Youkai 4:43 PM - 15 February, 2019
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Have you checked if it Fits in Your Magma Riot Bag XL? I'm Curious, Since Mixware Says It Does Fit. 😏
Indeed does fit just had to take out some of the padding 👍🏼

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Awesome!!! I'm indeed getting one, Thanks Alot!!! 😁
Djkom 5:00 PM - 15 February, 2019
It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁

Back to the primo, can someone tell us what's the differences between usb powered mode and dc powered one ? Sound quality, lights intensity, features activated or not (dvs..) ?
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:25 PM - 15 February, 2019
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It's a pity this product hasn't have proper promo vids...
Serato invests a lot on promo videos nowadays (even more than in software development !) But not on the primo...
Serato clearly selects which products they want sucessful 🙁



😳
DJ Alibi 2:05 PM - 16 February, 2019
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Magma Riot Bag XL

is that the backpack?
DJ Tecniq 5:29 PM - 16 February, 2019
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is that the backpack?
Correct👍🏼 they have a trolly bag as well for travel but i just have the back pack. Have had it for 3-4 yrs and it’s so well built.
Ollieboy 7:13 PM - 16 February, 2019
I wonder why they haven't jumped on making a Decksaver available for it now considering they're both under MWare?
Itchin_4_A_Scratch 7:30 PM - 16 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?
DJ Tecniq 11:49 PM - 16 February, 2019
Great review of the Primo. The sound quality is impressive for a small controller.
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577er 4:15 AM - 17 February, 2019
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How do people mix on just 2 decks and not go crazy?


Playing songs instead of tracks? If a song is good, adding 3 more isn't going to make it better.

With the repetitious nature music has evolved to there is really no such thing as a good song.
Being to manipulate the elements to create a variant is a must in many situations.

It's no different than Roland thinking you can help songs by using the on board 808, Traktor STEMs etc.

I guess it you are trying to be a turntablist or imitating Tiesto it might not be the same?


You still can’t really play words ontop of words let alone 4 words on top of words... thus the song vs track comment. Also, just play better music that doesn’t need all that extra crap.
deejayfatcat 1:18 PM - 17 February, 2019
Anything I need to do with more than 2 decks these days can be accomplished with sample decks.