Rane Twelve!!!!

lvmez 4:15 PM - 11 August, 2017

instagram.com

I hope it has the Rane quality build.

eugguy 4:48 PM - 11 August, 2017

ho lee fuk. can't wait to hear more about this.

DJ Matty Stiles 4:49 PM - 11 August, 2017

What the hell is that? Can't be a turntable, theres no tonearm!

Gio Alex 4:52 PM - 11 August, 2017

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What the hell is that? Can't be a turntable, theres no tonearm!

12" Numark (Rane) V7

aj5000 4:53 PM - 11 August, 2017

Pictures are being taken down as we speak on social media every where haha somebody spilled the beans a week early

Gio Alex 4:56 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Pictures are being taken down as we speak on social media every where haha somebody spilled the beans a week early

I don't see what the big deal is... we all knew about it anyway since the birds were singing.

deezlee 5:14 PM - 11 August, 2017

That looks like it would suck for playing records on.

Gio Alex 5:22 PM - 11 August, 2017

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That looks like it would suck for playing records on.

lol

AKIEM 5:22 PM - 11 August, 2017

But it is what people been asking for... for a decade.

Gio Alex 5:27 PM - 11 August, 2017

To me, the V7 made perfect sense because it was smaller and convenient to carry for mobile purposes unlike a pair of turntables. Now we have something just as big, and potentially just as heavy as turntables, but you can't use it for anything else other than serato. Am I the only one seeing this as backwards?

DJ BroMoney 5:40 PM - 11 August, 2017

Very shocked that this looks the way it does. I can see people loving this for instant double life but I was expecting a screen, a pitch reset button, mechanical pitch slider?. The price needs to be very attractive for this. I can see this being a better alternative to Technics for strictly DVS due to the removal of Wow/flutter, needles, CV wear, jumping needles. Will be interesting to see if its truly that much better.

Used pair of Technics can be found in NYC in good condition for $250....

Djkom 5:54 PM - 11 August, 2017

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To me, the V7 made perfect sense because it was smaller and convenient to carry for mobile purposes unlike a pair of turntables. Now we have something just as big, and potentially just as heavy as turntables, but you can't use it for anything else other than serato. Am I the only one seeing this as backwards?

1000 % agree !!!!

Will08272 6:26 PM - 11 August, 2017

Looking and giving more thought, there are some cool things to be done with the unit. With the deck select, looks like instant doubles will be a thing of the past. Hopefully Serato allows for controlling of two decks simultaneously like one can do with the Pioneer SX controllers. The touch strip for seeking and no more drifting. Starting to give it's self more points.

DJ Dub Cowboy 6:27 PM - 11 August, 2017

10 years late. I want to drop needles on a Rane platter.

Gio Alex 6:39 PM - 11 August, 2017

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10 years late. I want to drop needles on a Rane platter.

That's basically what I'm saying. Especially when other companies did this 8 years ago already.

AKIEM 6:53 PM - 11 August, 2017

Maybe they make a real deck later.

If the one turntable technique work flow is right, this is exactly what I asked for.

It does mention connecting direct to the computer for some thing.

AKIEM 6:54 PM - 11 August, 2017

Someone throw a tone arm mod on it

DJ Dub Cowboy 6:54 PM - 11 August, 2017

plus the V7 was discounted almost immediately to half it's price and it still didn't last long in the marketplace.

These will have to be priced low enough to sell which doesn't really fit into the premium Rane brand pricing structure.

If they had released a real turntable, say a rebadged VL12 with Rane logo on it, they could have added $200-300 to the price just for the name alone even if it only had the same features as every other deck.

AKIEM 6:57 PM - 11 August, 2017

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If they had released a real turntable, say a rebadged VL12 with Rane logo on it, they could have added $200-300 to the price just for the name alone even if it only had the same features as every other deck.

That would have made us mad tho.

lol

the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:01 PM - 11 August, 2017

I'll stick with the RP-8000's..... nice try RANE 🤦‍♂️

Gio Alex 7:03 PM - 11 August, 2017

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That would have made us mad tho.

lol

LMAO maybe.... haha

but this is worse. big ass 12" (pause) deck that only works with serato. If ima lug this to a mobile gig I might as well lug my techs.

Will08272 7:07 PM - 11 August, 2017

Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.

Gio Alex 7:14 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.

You might be right, but Rane 68 (when it came out) was a hard sell, and it wasn't the hard plastic buttons. At the time it was hard to justify shelling out damn near 3 grand for a mixer as an individual.

But then again, we've become accustomed to shelling out 1600+ for a single Pio CDJ so who knows. You're right.

Rebelguy 7:20 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.

How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.

Gio Alex 7:26 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.

How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.

Have you ever lifted a xdj? that thing is light as hell. PLUS, you can practically drop a thumb drive in it along with a mixer and jam. No need for a computer other than the initial setup or music downloads.

This thing, is the size of a regular turntable and all it can do is work with serato. Two different worlds.

Will08272 7:26 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.

How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.

Not worse in any way, the discussion lays more in for who the product is being aimed at which could safely be said is the turntable crowd. As many are making the argument already, DVS already works great and a pair of always reliable Techs can be had for near or slightly over 250, so the burden is on Rane to sell people on the product.

As far the XDJ's as you stated For CDJ users when the first iteration of that product was introduced slapping a 7 inch touch screen and removing the CD player were arguments to buy it. Plus the products have been selling at that price range from my limited knowledge in the DJ world.

Gio Alex 7:32 PM - 11 August, 2017

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Plus the products have been selling at that price range from my limited knowledge in the DJ world.

Yup they've always been selling at hefty prices, and like you mentioned - 7 inch touchscreen. And as I stated they do more than just midi. They're practically standalone music with a thumb drive.

AKIEM 7:43 PM - 11 August, 2017

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That would have made us mad tho.

lol

LMAO maybe.... haha

but this is worse. big ass 12" (pause) deck that only works with serato. If ima lug this to a mobile gig I might as well lug my techs.

Yeah - but they are in it for the long haul (hopefully). I would have purchased this before my Reloop 8000, but there are plenty others out there who will choose this over the Reloop if they are in the market. There are always new DJs coming on line, the tech needs to just keep moving forward.

lol @ pause

lvmez 7:59 PM - 11 August, 2017

HID mode coming soon on these.

Gio Alex 8:00 PM - 11 August, 2017

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lol @ pause

lmao

DJ Dub Cowboy 8:10 PM - 11 August, 2017

I play records.

Gio Alex 8:18 PM - 11 August, 2017

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I play records.

AKIEM 8:30 PM - 11 August, 2017

Mod www.vinylengine.com

goldarn 10:35 PM - 11 August, 2017

The one thing a company can spend endless money on is getting the proper chassis and tone-arm configuration to get the proper internal acoustics, vibration dampening and response.

If you've ever tapped on the platter and heard it in the speakers, you know what I speak of. It's a tricky proposition and Rane USA never half-butted anything. This "12" eliminates all of that concern, its digital, not analog.

dj_spark 12:03 AM - 12 August, 2017

At last ! More than 10 years I was wishing for this...
No soundcard ? Hope this will keep the price low, I won't pay close to 1000$/£/€ for a midi remote.

DJ Dub Cowboy 12:34 AM - 12 August, 2017

missing loop encoder/controls, slip mode, master tempo, display.

these are pretty standard features at this point.

DJ GaFFle 12:56 AM - 12 August, 2017

Wow!

deejayfatcat 3:45 AM - 12 August, 2017

A modular approach to the controller with spinning platters. An idea that's long overdue.

boba 7:49 AM - 12 August, 2017

An approach that wouldn´t have been necessary if more companies wouldve added a motorized platter to their CDJ/XDJ/SC/Media Players etc.

boba 7:58 AM - 12 August, 2017

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At last ! More than 10 years I was wishing for this...
No soundcard ? Hope this will keep the price low, I won't pay close to 1000$/£/€ for a midi remote.

If this only has the features we all suspect and nothing major on top we might not see right now they shouldn´t be more than 500€ a piece.

Laz219 9:29 AM - 12 August, 2017

If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.

DJ Matty Stiles 12:30 PM - 12 August, 2017

sticking with my 1200's

deejayfatcat 1:49 PM - 12 August, 2017

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An approach that wouldn´t have been necessary if more companies wouldve added a motorized platter to their CDJ/XDJ/SC/Media Players etc.

I disagree. Say I wanted to use an analog rotary mixer(bozak, urei) with midi motorized decks and a dedicated effects and cue controller. No one is ever going to build that configuration in a controller. It allows the DJ to customize their rig and make it scaleable to the event they are playing.

kip 1:52 PM - 12 August, 2017

Should be cheaper than the cheapest super oem tt.

jeljms 2:42 PM - 12 August, 2017

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Should be cheaper than the cheapest super oem tt.

Hardly. If it's been engineered from the ground up then that us likely to be reflected in the price.

The things that will make or break this will be simplicity of use, build quality and latency. If it's got those three things right it could be a game changer.

kip 2:50 PM - 12 August, 2017

Why would I get this over Reloop 7/8000 if it's not cheaper?

jeljms 3:05 PM - 12 August, 2017

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Why would I get this over Reloop 7/8000 if it's not cheaper?

I'm not saying you should. But I very much doubt that it will be cheaper.

kip 3:19 PM - 12 August, 2017

Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?

deejayfatcat 3:52 PM - 12 August, 2017

The other big thing that hasn't really been mentioned is weight. If you are a one man show, carrying 12s plus the necessesary table to hold the weight is prohibitive. If these are weighted more like a mid level controller, i would be more inclined to bring them to any gig.

curt flirt 3:55 PM - 12 August, 2017

This is carbon copy of the technic cdj (SL Dz1200). They just modernize it, but the blue print is the same. It not going to sell unless the price is right. This is backward technology, very primitive. Let's watch the price...LOL

deezlee 4:51 PM - 12 August, 2017

Please world don't start referring to these as "turntables".
Now that controllerists and producers playing Ableton or whatever are now "djs" and someone playing real records has to be a "vinyl DJ" instead of just a DJ, please don't make us call our turntables "vinyl turntables" or some stupid shight.

HighTopFade 7:18 PM - 12 August, 2017

This is awesome. Saves me the trouble of getting my DZ1200s modded.

HighTopFade 7:22 PM - 12 August, 2017

D'oh! Wait a minute. USB only. I hope it works well with a USB hub. Not feeling the 72, sticking with the S9.

Mr. Goodkat 7:36 PM - 12 August, 2017

just fyi, rane is looking toward the future, not what 35 yr old+ djs care about.

weird thing about Gen X is we're the first generation to bitch and whine about everything not being specifically made for them all the F'ing time. Personally think baby boomer and gen x are far more entitled than any millennial ive ever met

goldarn 7:38 PM - 12 August, 2017

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If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.

This is where I am siting too.

Rebelguy 7:51 PM - 12 August, 2017

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This is carbon copy of the technic cdj (SL Dz1200). They just modernize it, but the blue print is the same. It not going to sell unless the price is right. This is backward technology, very primitive. Let's watch the price...LOL

How is the blueprint the same. The 12 doesn't play media. This is a controller plain and simple.

The SL-DZ1200 was Technics response to the Pioneer CDJ. Had it actually worked they probably could have dominated the market.

AKIEM 9:21 PM - 12 August, 2017

I think it's interesting that two main complaints about this turntable are that it doesnt play analog records and it's 12 inches not 5 inches or whatever. Can't do both.

There are plenty of record players on the market, from used and refurbeshed 1200s, all sorts of hanpin brands, couple others and new techs. Rane is smart to not take that on. And they could have sold some Rane branded hanpin easy.

Less single deck motorized on the market. But this is a "battle deck'. It's specifically designed to move all (if possible) turntablist, battle style, and people comfortable with that set up out of analog and to complete digital.

It's designed in 90 degree battle configuration. It has all the placements of everything physically a 1200 user is used to. Even the spindle, and the start•stop winds down. It's 12" because that's what everyone is used to. Who's going to battle on a smaller deck?

No other company has put anything like it on the market. And many DJ'S have been asking for a turntable like this for years and years.

It's also maybe the first deck. Maybe they make a vinyl record player. Maybe they make a 7 inch version. This is a perfect start (long as everything works well)

So far it is exactly what ive been asking for, exactly (from what I see) down to the screws on the top panel. As long as it intelligently handles multi decks, I'm sold. Cheers.

I hope its heavy too.

Mr. Goodkat 9:23 PM - 12 August, 2017

)stop makingso much sense akiem ; )

Mr. Goodkat 9:31 PM - 12 August, 2017

whats also cool is that you could use 1 tt and 1 rane 12 in a hybrid type setup.

same size and layout and you can play a record if you need. if the booth is too crowded or you are outside and its windy, etc you can instant double w the rane.

lotta possibilities

Gio Alex 9:45 PM - 12 August, 2017

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Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?

This is what I've been trying to say. It's not even more portable than a turntable.

dj_spark 10:07 PM - 12 August, 2017

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If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.

This ^^^
That's why I left turntables a while back, I was upset by the mechanical side. Did some controllers and end up with a V7. I don't like CDJ even if it's now the leading industry technology.

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The things that will make or break this will be simplicity of use, build quality and latency. If it's got those three things right it could be a game changer.

Don't forget that sticker drift deamon !

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This is awesome. Saves me the trouble of getting my DZ1200s modded.

Got mine modded and it still can't compete with my V7...

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Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?

This is what I've been trying to say. It's not even more portable than a turntable.

It's a controler, a big remote for a software that mimic closely a turntable. This is what people want, acting like a turntable without caring for a turntable.

J.J. 10:34 PM - 12 August, 2017

I'm very frustrated with the design of the TWELVE. It is designed specifically for the 72 and it could have been so much better and sell a lot more. THE ONLY REASON DJS PUT TURNTABLES IN BATTLE MODE IS TO AVOID THE TONEARM AND NEEDLE. I want these things to sell but they are directly pointed at the turntablest. The reason you see them at all the shows is because they are very rare.

Negatives
• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch

Positives
• RANE built tough (I hope) Solid Steel Construction
• 12" Direct Drive Platter with Strobe Dots
• Power Down effect without turning it off and killing the signal
• Simple Layout (Opposite of what I just complained about)
• Optional Torque Settings
• Pitch Select Buttons with easy read out
• Same height and deep dimensions as the 72
• 4 Decks of control

The only thing that is left to be seen is the Sticker Drift and Latency. Can an old computer handle the 3600 Tics of Platter resolution in MIDI? Can Serato finally deliver a stable Serato DJ like Scratch Live? How much does it weigh so we can take it mobile? 4 Decks... does that mean a 4 channel 78 mixer is on its way?

Of course I'm buying 2 because I'm a wannabe turntablest and I'm getting the 72.

AKIEM 12:05 AM - 13 August, 2017

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Negatives
• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch

Originally DJs used battle mode to avoid the tone arm, but it became a quite popular standard. I like that Rane recognized it as a standard, and built the deck to suit.

• I don't see the problem with a horizontal fader
• I don't see how these controls are out of reach. are mixer gains out of reach?
• you don't need pitch bend buttons when you have all the real tactile control of a 1200.
• pads would be redundant sitting next to a mixer with them. And take space.
• I like the chord position for easy hook up. Same as the mixer
• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.
• It might have track selection capability, again redundant
• start•stop is where it has always been. and space for divers
• it doesn't need instant doubles if it controls 4 decks
• it doesn't need a pop up light with no tonarm
• I agree with where was it ten years ago. The answer is all other companies failed, and Rane just became capable (suppose that's a good thing about InMusic)

It's probably the same Denon technology.

Robbie O 12:11 AM - 13 August, 2017

No Pitch bend is weird. Not a deal killer, but with this being digital, it seems weird to not have it.

AKIEM 12:44 AM - 13 August, 2017

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No Pitch bend is weird. Not a deal killer, but with this being digital, it seems weird to not have it.

The 'pitch bend' is touching the deck manually. Or the fader. It would be wierd to have pitch bend buttons on it.

Chino 12:49 AM - 13 August, 2017

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The only thing that is left to be seen is the Sticker Drift and Latency. Can an old computer handle the 3600 Tics of Platter resolution in MIDI? Can Serato finally deliver a stable Serato DJ like Scratch Live? How much does it weigh so we can take it mobile? 4 Decks... does that mean a 4 channel 78 mixer is on its way?

Of course I'm buying 2 because I'm a wannabe turntablest and I'm getting the 72.

+1 I've been waiting for something like this for a LOOOOOG time! I still have my 3900s & a Rane 62 but it's officially time for an upgrade!

I can definitely see a 'Rane 74'- a 4 channel mixer in the future too!

kip 2:53 AM - 13 August, 2017

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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed

Rebelguy 3:40 AM - 13 August, 2017

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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed

Then there would be a gap next to the mixer where the cables would be. No big deal.

Rebelguy 3:42 AM - 13 August, 2017

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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed

Problem solved.

www.cablestogo.com

www.sweetwater.com

DJ Showdown 6:08 AM - 13 August, 2017

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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed

Problem solved.

www.cablestogo.com

www.sweetwater.com

It's like Rane only cared about the battle style. I do want to use both styles though. Mixes in normal mode and turtablism in battle mode. I hope Rane thought about a solution for this.

AKIEM 6:45 AM - 13 August, 2017

I like how they only thought about battle style. too many other decks ignore battle style.

Again just turn it. Use some right angle plugs. If you cant stand thed inch gap, put the deck on the right and only use one. Or tape the gap with gaffers. Or get an aluminum sheet to cover it. Maybe Rane will offer a face plate that is an extra inch. Or get a mod done.

Or invent 180 style, the pitch fader is right in front, you dont even need to reach. If you got a gut, control it with your belly.

AKIEM 6:53 AM - 13 August, 2017

btw, I dont think the TWELVE requires a 72.

DJ Showdown 8:08 AM - 13 August, 2017

They might show only a unfinished product at the DJ Expo. All Rane has to do is add extra usb on the other side of this table. We will see....

DJ Showdown 8:10 AM - 13 August, 2017

btw, Denon did the same thing with their new turntable. And they changed the original design of it.

dj_spark 10:57 AM - 13 August, 2017

So Serato never wanted to do the midi wheel coding for the Denon DN3700/SC3900 but did for Numark V7 and now will do for the Rane Twelve.

But now, those 3 brands have the same owner !
The wheel of Karma...

(I was joking, I know it's all about big money)

kip 12:35 PM - 13 August, 2017

As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?

lvmez 12:49 PM - 13 August, 2017

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As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?

In this case it's about style design and space. It's meant to be paired with a battle mixer so hence the battle style.

DJ Showdown 12:52 PM - 13 August, 2017

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As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?

Look at the left turntable. In battle style the distance between the faders and the platter is shorter than in standard style. That is because the pitch is between it. This will slow down some of the juggles.

Now if they only put the pitch on the left the problem would be solved.

kip 1:26 PM - 13 August, 2017

Normal layout with recessed power cord. Turn it if you need battle style. That would've been better imo.

DJ Showdown 2:31 PM - 13 August, 2017

Yes definitely better!
However a lot of props to Rane making this next level step.

AKIEM 3:05 PM - 13 August, 2017

It's not for playing vinyl, it's for battling. So it's in battle position. It's also made to be mixer depth, in disco position that adds two inches to the footprint.

And usb on the bottom so you have to lift it to connect? Really?

Pretty sure some people are just unhappy it's not another CDJ.

DJ Tecniq 4:02 PM - 13 August, 2017

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btw, I dont think the TWELVE requires a 72.

Correct says it will connect to the computer. But wouldn't that take up two USB ports unless they are linkable?

CMOS 4:29 PM - 13 August, 2017

Most midi controllers work fine through a hub as its just sending data.

kip 6:32 PM - 13 August, 2017

A 7" platter, paired with AKAI AMX and DJ player app. Woohoo...

jeljms 6:35 PM - 13 August, 2017

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I think it's interesting that two main complaints about this turntable are that it doesnt play analog records and it's 12 inches not 5 inches or whatever. Can't do both.

There are plenty of record players on the market, from used and refurbeshed 1200s, all sorts of hanpin brands, couple others and new techs. Rane is smart to not take that on. And they could have sold some Rane branded hanpin easy.

Less single deck motorized on the market. But this is a "battle deck'. It's specifically designed to move all (if possible) turntablist, battle style, and people comfortable with that set up out of analog and to complete digital.

It's designed in 90 degree battle configuration. It has all the placements of everything physically a 1200 user is used to. Even the spindle, and the start•stop winds down. It's 12" because that's what everyone is used to. Who's going to battle on a smaller deck?

No other company has put anything like it on the market. And many DJ'S have been asking for a turntable like this for years and years.

It's also maybe the first deck. Maybe they make a vinyl record player. Maybe they make a 7 inch version. This is a perfect start (long as everything works well)

So far it is exactly what ive been asking for, exactly (from what I see) down to the screws on the top panel. As long as it intelligently handles multi decks, I'm sold. Cheers.

I hope its heavy too.

Nailed it.

Will08272 6:36 PM - 13 August, 2017

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A 7" platter, paired with AKAI AMX and DJ player app. Woohoo...

What will be dope is if the 72 & 12 are class compliant which i hope they are given that the 57MKII and the MP2015 were i have a good feeling they will be as well, they would be able to be used with the DJPlayer app which would be dope. Might seem like overkill but the app is a very serious app.

deezlee 12:23 AM - 14 August, 2017

7" record player then please

AKIEM 3:18 AM - 14 August, 2017

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7" record player then please

Here you go. djworx.com

deezlee 3:35 AM - 14 August, 2017

uh huh i'll take 2

ekwipt 5:48 AM - 14 August, 2017

I think by having it in the battle mode it will work better with two decks in terms of mirroring each other.... but personally I'd prefer if it was built with the controls on the side, it makes more sense to me cause that's how I have my technics setup for techno.

Also not really sure why they branded them with Serato? Could they of been released with support for both Traktor and Serato off the bat?

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:39 AM - 14 August, 2017

LMAO! This is sum BS.

AKIEM 6:39 AM - 14 August, 2017

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Also not really sure why they branded them with Serato? Could they of been released with support for both Traktor and Serato off the bat?

If the Serato branding sticks, my bet is they can plug directly into the laptop for direct control. That means they will work with any mixer, not just the 72.

deezlee 7:35 AM - 14 August, 2017

No write ups on djworx or djtechtools, any chance this is just a rumor?

Sallll 9:50 AM - 14 August, 2017

i still have a pair of stanton scs.1d motorized 10" controllers, they are fun to use and have lot more functionality than the rane twelve, but virtual dj and mixxx are the only two software packages that supports it out of the box. I think the price point is essential for the success of a product like this.

DJ Tecniq 10:24 AM - 14 August, 2017

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No write ups on djworx or djtechtools, any chance this is just a rumor?

Not a rumor DJ flipside has posted he's already known about the Rane Twelve for awhile now. It is coming

www.instagram.com

s3kn0tr0n1c 1:36 PM - 14 August, 2017

Minted.........hope this performs and feels like real wax.

Glad they stuck to battle style ...props.

Now all we need is a portable, battery powered 7" version with fader built in ;)

Rebelguy 1:38 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Now all we need is a portable, battery powered 7" version with fader built in ;)

Why?

s3kn0tr0n1c 1:43 PM - 14 August, 2017

to scratch outside on something better than a pt01

WarpNote 1:47 PM - 14 August, 2017

This product should be good for turntablists playing larger stages,
where there would be a band or dancers etc on stage.

No more needle jumps...

Also curious if someone would try a dicer mod on them ;-)

GusGomez 2:48 PM - 14 August, 2017

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This product should be good for turntablists playing larger stages,
where there would be a band or dancers etc on stage.

No more needle jumps...

Also curious if someone would try a dicer mod on them ;-)

At $799 that's a steep price

kvnkrz 3:17 PM - 14 August, 2017

Officially released.....

Rane I want to see them in action ASAP

DJ Irv 3:27 PM - 14 August, 2017

A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind. Rather have PLX-1000, RP-8000, SL1200, SC3900 over the Twelve any day.

Gio Alex 3:34 PM - 14 August, 2017

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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind. Rather have PLX-1000, RP-8000, SL1200, SC3900 over the Twelve any day.

I'm saying the same thing. They could've at least made the platter 10" and that way there would've been room to have an improved layout with better slider/button placement.

As one person mentioned (I forget who), the whole point of "battle style" was to avoid hitting the needlie/tonearm. Without a tonearm, why would they not better place some of the features on there. It's almost like they want people to consider it a turntable but it's not. They basically morphed a V7 and a 3700 or SC3900. The prob is at least a 3700/3900 is that it can play media/music without serato. Multifunction.

I'm not hating, I just feel like if you're gonna be late about dropping something that's already been made the least you can do is bring more to the table. I dunno.

Logisticalstyles 3:35 PM - 14 August, 2017

I think they should have aimed this at mobile DJs and club jocks. I don't have any desire to see these used in a DJ battle. At least not in the DMC. These might work in a RedBull 3style competition but not the DMC.

lvmez 3:36 PM - 14 August, 2017

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dj_spark 3:52 PM - 14 August, 2017

At that price it can't even unlock Serato and it doesn't have a soundcard... #epicfail
Half the price for what it is : a remote with force feedback.

DJ Irv 4:31 PM - 14 August, 2017

This thing is going to be less successful than the SixtyOne.

Chino 5:14 PM - 14 August, 2017

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I'm not hating, I just feel like if you're gonna be late about dropping something that's already been made the least you can do is bring more to the table.

+1 I own a pair of 3900s. They definitely have WAY more functionality. I also use to own a pair of Numark CDXs. They were great players except for the faulty CD drives in them. Maybe inMusic Brand has finally perfected the technology with the TWELVE?

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This thing is going to be less successful than the SixtyOne.

I hope NOT!! If the 'TWELVE' is not successful then we may not ever see another motorized 12'' midi controller manufactured for SDJ ever again!!!

I give RANE PROPS for taking the risk to develop the TWELEVE!! It's a product MANY DJs (including myself) have been asking for and now it's finally here. My hope is that RANE did it right with engineering (build quality). Like others have also said… This product needs to be supported for the long haul.

AKIEM 5:36 PM - 14 August, 2017

Many DJs, many years.... waiting.....

HighTopFade 5:52 PM - 14 August, 2017

Rane and Serato's bold attempt to update DMC's battle standard. I hope they succeed. Pioneer seems to have Redbull locked in.

the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:34 PM - 14 August, 2017

10" with more functionality and I'd pre order now!

kip 6:35 PM - 14 August, 2017

7" standalone.

Gio Alex 6:39 PM - 14 August, 2017

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10" with more functionality and I'd pre order now!

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7" standalone.

Agreed

AKIEM 6:42 PM - 14 August, 2017

Maybe Denon drops a smaller plastic one.

Gio Alex 6:49 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Maybe Denon drops a smaller plastic one.

LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.

Will08272 6:54 PM - 14 August, 2017

I wonder if pioneer will be showing off whatever Mr Switch is talking about in this post.

imgur.com

AKIEM 6:55 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Maybe Denon drops a smaller plastic one.

LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.

That's not a shot. Denon is InMusic too. My bet is the Twelve has a 'Denon motor' (off the shelf or designed by Denon however they do it)

Denon already works in that form factor, smaller, plastic, disco config - so if this works maybe Denon drops one too.

dj_spark 7:03 PM - 14 August, 2017

#fingercrossed for these little cousins from Numark and Denon...

Gio Alex 7:03 PM - 14 August, 2017

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I wonder if pioneer will be showing off whatever Mr Switch is talking about in this post.

imgur.com

Is this a joke or RL? Only think I noticed is two TTs with no needles. maybe they're making twelve deck too.

Gio Alex 7:04 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Maybe Denon drops a smaller plastic one.

LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.

That's not a shot. Denon is InMusic too. My bet is the Twelve has a 'Denon motor' (off the shelf or designed by Denon however they do it)

Denon already works in that form factor, smaller, plastic, disco config - so if this works maybe Denon drops one too.

I have a feeling they're all gonna do it. Is Numark InMusic too?

AKIEM 7:07 PM - 14 August, 2017

Maybe decent motor price dropped due to all the new turntables.

Will08272 7:10 PM - 14 August, 2017

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I wonder if pioneer will be showing off whatever Mr Switch is talking about in this post.

imgur.com

Is this a joke or RL? Only think I noticed is two TTs with no needles. maybe they're making twelve deck too.

No idea, there hasn't been a peep in anywhere i could find, and not even a fake image to allude to something, what i hypothesized was a CDJ with a spinning platter, being that Mr Switch was the person Denon got to show off the SC3900.

No Handle 9:51 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Many DJs, many years.... waiting.....

Yes! Been envisioning something exactly like this for a while. A standalone, portable high-res motorized controller exclusively for DVS.

Does anybody know the weight? A big share of a regular turntable's weight comes from its vibration dampening / acoustics, and this controller won't need it. I hope it's heavy enough to be sturdy but significantly more lightweight than a traditional turntable.

This unit won't be for everybody but it has so many benefits for road-warrior DJs like me... more portable, no need to keep buying needles or CV, no tracking or vibration issues, no more sourcing vintage Technics parts when things fail. There are almost no clubs left in the US that have turntables onsite so DVS DJs like me have to bring their own. This will make that a lot easier.

Of course I'd prefer a lower selling price but Rane's brand is based on quality and professional kit. I'd rather have a pricey rock-solid controller than a plastic NI-style controller that will be outmoded / upgraded in sixth months.

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I'm very frustrated with the design of the TWELVE. It is designed specifically for the 72 and it could have been so much better and sell a lot more. THE ONLY REASON DJS PUT TURNTABLES IN BATTLE MODE IS TO AVOID THE TONEARM AND NEEDLE. I want these things to sell but they are directly pointed at the turntablest. The reason you see them at all the shows is because they are very rare.

Negatives
• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch.

Four of your negative points are about the orientation. Just turn that bitch sideways!

Dj Rehab 9:59 PM - 14 August, 2017

Every single on of you asking for a smaller size platter and cues on the 12................It's meant to be a direct replacement for a 1200. The mixer has the cues on it and track selection. This is exactly what I and most turntablists are looking for. It's not made with pitch bend buttons- that's what the pitch slider is for. Replicate the BATTLE setup...................this is not for controller only DJs. You don't get it because you're not a battle dj. You can jump back and forth from turntables to this without re-learning a thing.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 10:04 PM - 14 August, 2017

Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com

Think about the Akai AFX (or even a CDJ in HID mode) - you plug it in and it "links" to the Serato DJ "Features". Once you piug in the AFX it controls - cue points, filters, serato flip and a lot more.

Think about how we use a non serato mixer with MixEmergency - you midi map functions like a crossfader and up faders.

Is this thing somehow "AUTO Midi mapped" for platter control so you can use it with ANY mixer and a Serato DJ compatible SL Box?

Think about the 4 deck control & Instant doubles - opens up some new posibilites.

No Handle 10:08 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com

Yes, this is essential info. If it's Rane 72 exclusive, I'm out. I have an AMX and 62 so hoping this will work across both.

Michael R 10:14 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com

The Rane Twelve will work with any mixer or interface box that Serato DJ supports :)

It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.

I hope that helps :)

Gio Alex 11:12 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Just turn that bitch sideways!

Power cord placement and usb port become an issue with this.

Gio Alex 11:20 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Does anybody know the weight?

Not yet.

But then at the bottom of each product page reads "All information subject to change without notice. v1." So who knows what kind of tweaks might happen between now and Q4 release.

Michael R 11:25 PM - 14 August, 2017

Regarding the weight, we have units here (which are pre-production units) and they feel the same/slightly lighter than a Technics 1200. As these are early units this may change :)

Michael R 11:26 PM - 14 August, 2017

My very un-scientific analysis was done by picking up a Twelve then a 1200 :P

No Handle 11:33 PM - 14 August, 2017

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Regarding the weight, we have units here (which are pre-production units) and they feel the same/slightly lighter than a Technics 1200. As these are early units this may change :)

Slightly lighter, damn.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 11:35 PM - 14 August, 2017

Thanks Michael for the clarifications

This is clearing up a lot of the WHY doubters

Like others have said - guys have waited over a DECADE for something like this

I sometimes Dj on a riverboat - sometimes for a Fraternaty and when they Step - my needle bounces like a ping pong ball

One more questions- how is the vinyl/platter - How does it actually work - time code - laser OR what

Color vinyl available?

SUBSTANCE 11:41 PM - 14 August, 2017

The 3 things I wanted to know were: feel, price, weight.
We have one of those answers with the official price being released.

Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

I like it. It could be the highly sought after jog wheel that feels like a real record. I hope so.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:25 AM - 15 August, 2017

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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind.

THIS! lmao.

AKIEM 12:40 AM - 15 August, 2017

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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind.

THIS! lmao.

Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:09 AM - 15 August, 2017

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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind.

THIS! lmao.

Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?

It took Johnny 7 or 10 years to actually buy and start using Serato. It takes a minute to grasp the concept of all this new digital wizardry.

Maybe by 2025 - he may actually want flashy light hot cue buttons and push button FX filters that flange and phase WITHOUT using two pieces of control vinyl...

Give him time to grasp the concept - lol

Michael R 1:11 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

Michael R 1:13 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more questions- how is the vinyl/platter - How does it actually work - time code - laser OR what

It works the same as the NS7/II/III - it sends MIDI - and feels the same. It's just like vinyl!

djcrap 1:13 AM - 15 August, 2017

How is the sticker drift response?

AKIEM 1:16 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more questions- how is the vinyl/platter - How does it actually work - time code - laser OR what

It works the same as the NS7/II/III - it sends MIDI - and feels the same. It's just like vinyl!

How does it switch between decks, push button, then what?

AKIEM 1:18 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Michael R 1:22 AM - 15 August, 2017

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How is the sticker drift response?

It should be the same as the NS7 range - have you used these before? They still get wow like a turntable does (as they have a motor), but as they are MIDI there is no sticker drift like you get with vinyl.

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How does it switch between decks, push button, then what?

Again, same as the NS7 range - the previous deck goes into "Internal Mode" and the Twelve starts instantly controlling the newly selected deck :)

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:39 AM - 15 August, 2017

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How does it switch between decks, push button, then what?

Again, same as the NS7 range - the previous deck goes into "Internal Mode" and the Twelve starts instantly controlling the newly selected deck :)

Ok - I guess Instant doubles work the same as any Serato device if you are using just one of the units - instant QUADRUPLES with the 4 decks - lol

One more dumb question...

If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:51 AM - 15 August, 2017

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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind.

THIS! lmao.

Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?

Probably spinning....why?

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:52 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:53 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more dumb question...

Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Michael R 1:55 AM - 15 August, 2017

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If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)

The Twelve has a touch strip which works in two ways:

In touch strip mode, you can skip through the track using your finger on the strip (like dropping the needle).

In cue point mode, touching the strip in certain points will trigger a cue point. There are light indents on the strip which indicate which area jumps to which cue point.

Michael R 1:55 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more dumb question...

Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:59 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more dumb question...

Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.

It's OK - I'm used to Johnny - we go waaaayyyyy back like Serato 1.7.2 or the version HE first used Scratchlive 2.4 when he finally bought Serato - lol

: )

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:03 AM - 15 August, 2017

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One more dumb question...

Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.

It's OK - I'm used to Johnny - we go waaaayyyyy back like Serato 1.7.2 or the version HE first used Scratchlive 2.4 when he finally bought Serato - lol

: )

Actually, Scratchlive 1.9.1/2 FTW running on Windows XP.

Works like a CHAMP.

AKIEM 2:22 AM - 15 August, 2017

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If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)

The Twelve has a touch strip which works in two ways:

In touch strip mode, you can skip through the track using your finger on the strip (like dropping the needle).

In cue point mode, touching the strip in certain points will trigger a cue point. There are light indents on the strip which indicate which area jumps to which cue point.

Is there led indicators telling you which way to move the pitch fader to lock it when you switch decks?

Michael R 2:24 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Is there led indicators telling you which way to move the pitch fader to lock it when you switch decks?

Yes :)

AKIEM 2:25 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.

Chino 2:57 AM - 15 August, 2017

The Rane TWELVE is advertised as having a 'motorized platter'. Is it a DIRECT DRIVE motorized platter similar to a Technics 1200? Or is it a belt driven platter?

AKIEM 2:58 AM - 15 August, 2017

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The Rane TWELVE is advertised as having a 'motorized platter'. Is it a DIRECT DRIVE motorized platter similar to a Technics 1200? Or is it a belt driven platter?

No way it's belt drive.

Chino 3:07 AM - 15 August, 2017

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The Rane TWELVE is advertised as having a 'motorized platter'. Is it a DIRECT DRIVE motorized platter similar to a Technics 1200? Or is it a belt driven platter?

No way it's belt drive.

I'm asking because I wouldn't put it past inMusic Brand to pull some shadyness with regards to the motor.

dj_soo 4:04 AM - 15 August, 2017

They are marketing this to tablists and battle djs. They wouldnt out a belt drive on in and charge $800 ea.

dj_soo 4:08 AM - 15 August, 2017

The twelve and 72 setup is literally everything I've wanted in setup for almost 10 years.

The S9 came close to being the mixer I wanted, but some mind bogglingly stupid design decisions nixed that.

I've switched to denon 3900s and keep my techs at home now and while it's great, there are issues and things that could be done better.

If this doesn't have some kind of catestrophic problem and the build is up to par, I can't see not upgrading to at least the 72. Would probably prefer a 10" version of the deck myself just for portability.

HighTopFade 4:32 AM - 15 August, 2017

Any idea on release date?

Michael R 4:42 AM - 15 August, 2017

Not yet sorry!

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:45 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.

My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....

DJ C-BEATZ 5:10 AM - 15 August, 2017

I guess the 72 only works with serato dj. I currently own a 62 and the reason I would still hang on to it is that it works with scratch live. Serato dj isn't as stable as scratch live. The motor power down effect doesn't sound perfect (doesn't come with the usual drag effect) when using serato dj with turntables but sounds perfect on scratch live. Serato needs to address this to enable us move to the 72 which is serato dj based. Thanks

AKIEM 5:11 AM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.

My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....

I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns. I won't call it a record player tho.

wheels of steel

deezlee 5:30 AM - 15 August, 2017

Naw not wheels of steel.
So now "I'll bring the turntables" requires a follow up question?
Eff that.

Cool Johnny is back just in time to argue this w Akeem nice timing, thanks!

AKIEM 6:02 AM - 15 August, 2017

I will bring the TWELVES!

DJ Unique 6:13 AM - 15 August, 2017

Meh...

6 7:55 AM - 15 August, 2017

Great deck. Great mixer too btw. One thing I find odd is how the Twelve was designed to be plug and play with the Seventy-Two but both have pads for cues. Seems to me there should be two versions of the Twelve. One without cue pads for use with the Seventy-Two and one with cue pads to use with any mixer that doesn't have cue pads - like a slim, battle mixer with just basic features.

....but, since it's MIDI, I'm sure the pads can be reassigned on the mixer. Can they be reassigned on the Twelve? That would be awesome.

SUBSTANCE 11:35 AM - 15 August, 2017

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The motor power down effect doesn't sound perfect (doesn't come with the usual drag effect) when using serato dj with turntables but sounds perfect on scratch live.

Isn't this a software setting? you can change it to suit how you like the start up and brake.

DJ Tecniq 11:58 AM - 15 August, 2017

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The motor power down effect doesn't sound perfect (doesn't come with the usual drag effect) when using serato dj with turntables but sounds perfect on scratch live.

Isn't this a software setting? you can change it to suit how you like the start up and brake.

Maybe he's using pitch n time cause it does sound like crap for turntablists tricks. Cause I can do all those tricks on SDJ w/PNT off

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.

My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....

I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns.

smh.

DJ C-BEATZ 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017

Thanks @ DJ Tecniq. i guess my PNT was permanently on. i will disable as soon as i get back to my decks. Gracias!

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Cool Johnny is back just in time to argue this w Akeem nice timing, thanks!

I'll be here all week...

DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:43 PM - 15 August, 2017

I swear there is no way to make folks happy.

AKIEM 1:46 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)

I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.

Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....

I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.

My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....

I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns.

smh.

lol - they should had called it an Armtable - lol

AKIEM 1:46 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I swear there is no way to make folks happy.

Gio Alex 2:39 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I swear there is no way to make folks happy.

Maybe if they released the right product at the right time people would shut up. But they're just focusing on sales, which is understandable, it's a business after all.

The prob with technology though, is all my rane mixers still work, my techs that are damn near 20 years old still work, and SL3s. So it's gonna be hard to persuade me to buy anything new if it's not doing anything better than what I already have.

Something more like a V7 would've made sense. But to drop a 12" motorized midi controller the size and weight of a 1200 and can only function with serato damn near 10 years late makes no size. Should've just made a midi hybrid turntable. At least it could be used as something else if serato disappears. Currently my techs serve 2 purposes.

Logisticalstyles 3:08 PM - 15 August, 2017

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This thing is going to be less successful than the SixtyOne.

My thoughts exactly. In about two years these will be in the Legacy section of Rane's website right next to the 61 and the 68.

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Rane and Serato's bold attempt to update DMC's battle standard.

It won't work though. You know Christie from DMC USA has to carry the mixers that are used for DMC regionals with her when she travels. I can't imagine her being too thrilled at the thought of having to transport two additional pieces of gear that are almost the same weight as a 1200. Also the DMC currently doesn't allow you to use dicers or any other MIDI devices, why should they change now? Lastly, if this were to somehow become the DMC standard set up I think they would loose interest from competitors. As a battle DJ I would not want to compete on a set up that I don't have at home to practice on.

They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.

Logisticalstyles 3:11 PM - 15 August, 2017

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The Rane Twelve will work with any mixer or interface box that Serato DJ supports :)

It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.

So is that a Yes or a No for working with the AMX? The AMX is technically a controller but most people look at it and think Mixer.

Gio Alex 3:17 PM - 15 August, 2017

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They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.

Bing!

Only thing I disagree with is the mobile part because it weighs as much as tech 1200s. So what's the point?

AKIEM 3:18 PM - 15 August, 2017

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The Rane Twelve will work with any mixer or interface box that Serato DJ supports :)

It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.

So is that a Yes or a No for working with the AMX? The AMX is technically a controller but most people look at it and think Mixer.

Could be that none motorised platers set the system to 'static mode' blocking anything motorized. The AMX probably doesn't do that. My guess it works.

DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:25 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I swear there is no way to make folks happy.

Maybe if they released the right product at the right time people would shut up. But they're just focusing on sales, which is understandable, it's a business after all.

The prob with technology though, is all my rane mixers still work, my techs that are damn near 20 years old still work, and SL3s. So it's gonna be hard to persuade me to buy anything new if it's not doing anything better than what I already have.

Something more like a V7 would've made sense. But to drop a 12" motorized midi controller the size and weight of a 1200 and can only function with serato damn near 10 years late makes no size. Should've just made a midi hybrid turntable. At least it could be used as something else if serato disappears. Currently my techs serve 2 purposes.

Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it.

Gio Alex 5:31 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it

That's cool and all, but what is it improving on exactly? Like, are the improvements better than what it is short of nailing? Even if it's a battle controller what is it exactly doing that a pair of reloop 8000s or techs with dicers or whatever is already out there not doing? I know I'm not talking crazy here.

Even if it nailed everything down, now you have the prob with the price. It costs more than decks that already exist and do more. And I guess the rebutal for that is "rane build quality". I swear I'm not hating. Shit just doesn't make any sense.

Gio Alex 5:34 PM - 15 August, 2017

To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.

DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:36 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it

That's cool and all, but what is it improving on exactly? Like, are the improvements better than what it is short of nailing? Even if it's a battle controller what is it exactly doing that a pair of reloop 8000s or techs with dicers or whatever is already out there not doing? I know I'm not talking crazy here.

Even if it nailed everything down, now you have the prob with the price. It costs more than decks that already exist and do more. And I guess the rebutal for that is "rane build quality". I swear I'm not hating. Shit just doesn't make any sense.

No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.

Rebelguy 5:41 PM - 15 August, 2017

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To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.

Simple solution...don't buy one and let the people that want to enjoy their new gear.

More complex solution...spend a couple years doing market research with some of the top DJs in the world and then get a job at InMusic in the product development department and design a new product from scratch, bring it to market and watch a bunch of guys on an Internet forum complain about a product they never intended to buy anyway.

Gio Alex 5:44 PM - 15 August, 2017

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No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.

I hear you on that, I do. But I'm not the only one asking all those questions and raising concerns. If people gotta find a use for a product (that already kinda exists) and it's not already standing on its own to begin with then that kinda seems a bit shaky to me, I dunno. I guess we shall see. I just seems like a 3-4 year late move for me though.

What I will say though, is if this gets Pio to make motorized platters for "CDJs" and I'll start saying that at venues then I'll be happy cuz there's nothing I hate more than spinning hip hop on lifeless cdjs/xdjs. I've never been able to get over the non-motorized platters. Turntable feel is so much better. Less having to start at a screen.

DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:48 PM - 15 August, 2017

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No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.

I hear you on that, I do. But I'm not the only one asking all those questions and raising concerns. If people gotta find a use for a product (that already kinda exists) and it's not already standing on its own to begin with then that kinda seems a bit shaky to me, I dunno. I guess we shall see. I just seems like a 3-4 year late move for me though.

What I will say though, is if this gets Pio to make motorized platters for "CDJs" and I'll start saying that at venues then I'll be happy cuz there's nothing I hate more than spinning hip hop on lifeless cdjs/xdjs. I've never been able to get over the non-motorized platters. Turntable feel is so much better. Less having to start at a screen.

Thus the reason I have never played on a controller or CDJs. Just not the same for me. I did want to get the Denon3900's but chose to stay with 1200's. CDJ's with a moving platter would make a killing.

Gio Alex 5:54 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Thus the reason I have never played on a controller or CDJs. Just not the same for me. I did want to get the Denon3900's but chose to stay with 1200's. CDJ's with a moving platter would make a killing.

Same here. I agree. Although I did admire the V7/3700/3900 due to the portability.

I just wish Rane came up with this 4 years ago, so by now we would've already been on an improved V2/V3 perhaps. Rather than end of 2017 having something as big/heavy as a turntable. Definitely not geared at mobile use based on that I think.

dj_soo 6:05 PM - 15 August, 2017

As someone of does a decent amount of touring and festival work who still uses turntables, these would be oerfect. The amount of venues I've been in with problematic techs or setups where the stage isn't isolated properly and there are something like 20 dual 18s pumping out bass vibrating the shit out of the booth, something like these are what I've been looking for for years.

That said, as someone who also does a lot of mobile gigs, I would not use these over a more convenient controller or even my smaller 3900s

skinnyguy 6:09 PM - 15 August, 2017

I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points. I think there will be too many accidental moments with that. Could've just put the cue points separately where the dicer would've gone.

Chino 6:29 PM - 15 August, 2017

There is a good chance that RANE (inMusic Brand) already has plans to produce a 'mobile friendly' (9" or 10'') version. I would imagine it depends on how well the TWELVE sells.

It makes perfect business sense. Go after the top tier battle DJ market with 2 top tier products (mixer & decks). Similar to inMusic Brand's business plan for Denon DJ. Denon DJ has unleashed a direct assault on Pioneer DJ with the Denon sc5000 Prime series.

Gio Alex 6:30 PM - 15 August, 2017

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There is a good chance that RANE (inMusic Brand) already has plans to produce a 'mobile friendly' (9" or 10'') version. I would imagine it depends on how well the TWELVE sells.

It makes perfect business sense. Go after the top tier battle DJ market with 2 top tier products (mixer & decks). Similar to inMusic Brand's business plan for Denon DJ. Denon DJ has unleashed a direct assault on Pioneer DJ with the Denon sc5000 Prime series.

True

djcrap 7:12 PM - 15 August, 2017

Am getting the twelves!

Mr. Goodkat 7:16 PM - 15 August, 2017

if you wanna use tts, use them.

why even bother with this.

the future is clearly NOT turntables, so they are trying to come at a new product that isnt going to be perfect for everyone.

its the same thing as the xdj with no cd player, since the future is clearly not cds.

future isnt even really flash drives and cdjs or xdjs. the physical media paradigm is just dying.

DJ Tecniq 7:23 PM - 15 August, 2017

The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.

kip 7:33 PM - 15 August, 2017

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$800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

It's almost double the AT1240.

DJ Tecniq 7:43 PM - 15 August, 2017

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$800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

It's almost double the AT1240.

I meant known brand name t-tables like Reloop, Pioneer, Denon etc. I'm sure the Audio Technica is solid but prob not for mobile use.

kip 7:53 PM - 15 August, 2017

AT1240 is the same super oem tt as those you mention, coming from Hanpin, except the Denon which is Yahorng (another oem). The motor used in the Twelve is most probably already used in the above mentioned tts, that's if we hope for the best. It's the only motor that comes close to the feel of Technics 1200mk2-6. So somebody better explain the price difference when there's no tonearm and no isolation required for regular tt.

Gio Alex 7:58 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I meant known brand name t-tables like Reloop, Pioneer, Denon etc. I'm sure the Audio Technica is solid but prob not for mobile use.

I've never paid more than 450 for one technics 1200 MK2/M3D, so even with that argument that's a pair of "brand name t-tables" for the price of one twelve... but I digress, we'll see how things go with the twelves.

Chino 8:13 PM - 15 August, 2017

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So somebody better explain the price difference when there's no tonearm and no isolation required for regular tt.

The price difference reflects inMusic Brand's version of a 'luxury tax' similar to Apple's pricing. It is also inMusic Brand's way of recouping R&D.

InMusic Brand also needs to make some of the $$$ back from buying out the original RANE company.

Chino 8:23 PM - 15 August, 2017

The RANE 72 & TWELVE are under glass at the DJ Expo??!!! That ruins my plans of actually trying them out on Thursday!! Very disappointing!!

Mr. Goodkat 9:22 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I meant known brand name t-tables like Reloop, Pioneer, Denon etc. I'm sure the Audio Technica is solid but prob not for mobile use.

I've never paid more than 450 for one technics 1200 MK2/M3D, so even with that argument that's a pair of "brand name t-tables" for the price of one twelve... but I digress, we'll see how things go with the twelves.

thats used. if you wanted a new one in 2017 it would be more.

clearly msrp is gonna be less than 799. so if its 699-649$, its right in line with most new tts.

also, if you play out more than 3x a week, after about 5 years on real tts, you are gonna spend at least 300$ on styli and CV.

Djkom 9:27 PM - 15 August, 2017

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The RANE 72 & TWELVE are under glass at the DJ Expo??!!! That ruins my plans of actually trying them out on Thursday!! Very disappointing!!

The moment when you realize marketing/communication is a REALLY key.

I now understand Pioneer focusing on dedicated communication outside expos/shows only when the product is finnished and there are promo vids !!!

The crowd feelings about these Rane 12 and 72 are so mixed that finally it's a bad thing for Rane...

Mr. Goodkat 9:31 PM - 15 August, 2017

more djs/ppl talking about rane than they have since the late 00s, this is definitely a good thing for rane

Gio Alex 9:40 PM - 15 August, 2017

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also, if you play out more than 3x a week, after about 5 years on real tts, you are gonna spend at least 300$ on styli and CV.

That never bothered me because after damn near 15 years those tables are still solid. During all the back and forth between what the hottest new "game changer" is they still serve a purpose. Name an average controller's life span. It definitely does not have the same longevity because it's only reliant on whatever software that's current. In fact we're talking 40+ years since the 1200 MK1 and they still serve a purpose. Flexibility.

If you think about it, if TTs were so dead then why the hell did pioneer make one, denon, and stanton do a MK2 of theirs? Not to mention countless others. And this is after the whole controller market reigning.

DJ Irv 10:03 PM - 15 August, 2017

Everybody is trying to imitate a turntable, that alone should let you know why turntables are still very relevant. The Rane Twelve at 800msrp and 600$ street = fail. It's the new SixtyOne.

Michael R 10:21 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

AKIEM 10:30 PM - 15 August, 2017

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Everybody is trying to imitate a turntable, that alone should let you know why turntables are still very relevant. The Rane Twelve at 800msrp and 600$ street = fail. It's the new SixtyOne.

It's because they were built so well, we became comfortable with the format and standard. There is nothing magical about the format, it's basic. Everyone may have been trying to emulate them, but this is the first time it was done close enough to have the same feel (if they do). And if they do, then they will succeed bassed on the number DJ who have been ready to leave analog behind but keep what they are acostum to.

A digital 1200 is exactly what's been asked for, that's exactly what this is +

Closest Hanpin is a Reloop8000 $700. If you don't need analog, save $100. + it does more and probably built better.

Djkom 10:32 PM - 15 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

Hope the different modes are clearly visible because for sure mistakes gonna happen MANY times.
By default cue mode should always be acyivated and Needle drop should only be activated by holding the button and touching the bar...

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:03 PM - 15 August, 2017

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They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.

Personally, I think the hype over a 12" motorized platter is over. This is definitely something that should have been marketed to mobile DJ's, but mobile DJ's barely want to carry a thumbdrive these days (think music in the cloud), much less something bigger than a CDJ.

This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

Boo.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:10 PM - 15 August, 2017

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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.

Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?

AKIEM 11:12 PM - 15 August, 2017

Eh, it's marketed to battle DJS to sell to everyone...

Gio Alex 11:18 PM - 15 August, 2017

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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.

Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?

Johnny doing an impression of Johnny LOL

Gio Alex 3:01 AM - 16 August, 2017

At least you can use one deck as 2 or 4, is that correct? Kind of like how a V7 could be 2 decks in 1/

Gio Alex 3:04 AM - 16 August, 2017

And at a closer look they look pretty well built. Still not for me, but I knocking it less now. Still think it made more sense years ago, but maybe Rane has a better angle now. Maybe they have the opportunity to for motorized decks for pioneer since that's all you see in venues now. xdjs/cdjs.

Gio Alex 3:05 AM - 16 August, 2017

Watch www.youtube.com

dj_soo 3:29 AM - 16 August, 2017

I think this is exactly the right time imo.

when spinning platter CDJs came out, it was too early as most people were still using vinyl. When the V7 came out, controllers were still new and CDJs were just taking over so it also never took off.

We've had several years of the static platter paradigm and many people are wanting something different. I've seen more kids interested in turntables - not necessarily for vinyl, but just for scratching and feel - and these are the ones raised on cdjs and controllers and never went through the vinyl days.

A lot of the turntable only holdouts that focus on DVS are getting sick of the constant maintenance costs, the poor shape of many turntables that are in venues, and the performance problems associated with things like feedback and vibrations on stage and in the booth.

From a mobile perspective, yea, I can't see myself going back to a pair of units that are the same size and weight of my techs, but from a performance perspective, I've already moved onto SC3900s and these will likely feel even better.

Niro 6:32 AM - 16 August, 2017

I am honestly shocked at all of the negativity of a product a lot of turntable DJ's have been asking for, for years. Now that technology and a company decides to make it...etc.

It doesn't have a tonearm, because it's not suppose too. It's purpose is to replicate all of the positives of a turntable without the negatives. There are plenty of new turntables on the market and all still have the same issues while playing in unfavorable conditions. It will also be lighter, so carrying a pair will be much more convenient.

The guys complaining about this either have not played regularly in clubs, festivals, crappy stages....etc. this allows the DJ to almost perform exactly as he practiced is routine at home and perform it in any condition. The turntable is as advanced as it's going to get. There's not much more can do to it to make it better, unless you're going to degrade how you use it, outing it on tennis balls, suspended plateform, liquid tonearm dampener....etc.

Most 2 channels mixers are labeled a battle mixer, just like most people wear sneakers to chill in...etc. The point of replicating a turntable is so you can go from one without it feeling too different.

Djkom 8:47 AM - 16 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

Hope the different modes are clearly visible because for sure mistakes gonna happen MANY times.
By default cue mode should always be acyivated and Needle drop should only be activated by holding the button and touching the bar...

Just realized How to delete cue points with this configuration 🤔...

More generally I think Rane doesn't design their product with a real ergonomic aproach!
So many annoying aspects are still present:
->Rane 12
- Needle drop vs Cue mode distinction
- Deck selection (1×4 row) that doesn't reflect the deck view (2×2 grid) and are in the same area as the needle drop bar
- Why 3 different big buttons for the pitch ranges when only one can be actived at a time ??
-> Rane 72
- Browse knobs dangerously closed to the fx knob!
- Same big ass knobs in the front panel (fader curves, mic volume, etc) that could be bended or accidentally turned during the mix
- Where are the lovely cursors herited from the ttm 57 ??? At least just one above the shift button to make instant doubles or custom action would have been very cool !!!

Chino 12:58 PM - 16 August, 2017

I've had some very negative experiences with previous inMusic Brand products! That being said, I'm still willing to try out these new Rane Twelves & a Rane 72 mixer.

Worse case scenario… I can always return them within 30days if they don't meet my expectations OR if it's past the 30 day return policy then I can always sell them.

I said this before & I will say it again… I've been waiting for a LOOOOONG time for products like these so I'm willing to give it a chance!!

SHOUT OUT to RANE for taking the risk to try to give many of us DJs what we have been asking for!!

GusGomez 1:01 PM - 16 August, 2017

To be honest I like the TWELVES I haven't played a vinyl record in years so my sole purpose for turntables is the feel and DVS...with that said I go back again to what I said earlier I just purchased a pair of VL12's mostly because of the look and the weight they're much lighter than the Stanton's STR150's and I hplay at a club every week where I bring my turntables because I don't like playing on CDJ's so what would about the TWELVE's would make me get rid of turntables and switch? It's not lighter it takes more usb ports if I don't have the 72 (which I won't because I have the S9) so my question again is who is this aimed at?

DJ Tecniq 1:13 PM - 16 August, 2017

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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.

Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?

Very much different than a CDJ. The feel is a real vinyl feel. Scratching on cdj's is not the same I'm just not a fan. If it's not motorized it doesn't replace a t-table at all. Just my opinion

DJ Tecniq 1:20 PM - 16 August, 2017

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Watch www.youtube.com

I will admit seeing it up close is much more appealing I don't knock it at all I think it's really dope to not have to deal with the issues that come with real t-tables. I love my Tech's but the pitch fluctuations with them & SDJ are killing me. Which brings me to my next question would anti-drift even benefit the Rane Twelve or not?

Chino 1:25 PM - 16 August, 2017

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so my question again is who is this aimed at?

The Rane 72 mixer is aimed at people who still have a Rane 62/57mkII but want larger pads & more functionality in a mixer. IMHO, the Rane 72 may finally be the mixer that gets me to move(from SSL) completely over to SDJ.

The Rane Twelve is aimed at touring battle DJs would need the vinyl feel without the issues associated with tone arms, needles, dust, vibration issues, etc.

There are also MANY mobile DJs that want/need the vinyl feel but dont want to deal with the issues of needles breaking, skipping records etc.

Personally, I don't mind the size/weight of the Rane Twelve at all & I'm primarily a mobile DJ.

Gio Alex 1:35 PM - 16 August, 2017

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The guys complaining about this either have not played regularly in clubs, festivals, crappy stages....etc.

You know this for sure?

Gio Alex 1:39 PM - 16 August, 2017

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his allows the DJ to almost perform exactly as he practiced is routine at home and perform it in any condition.

I'll give you that, but most stages, venues and festivals use cdjs, and as much as I hate them they've helped in windy outdoor situations. The negativity comes from the timing, pricing, and sizing.

But I get it more now who it's targeted at. I just wish it were a hybrid, or maybe smaller or had a better layout. But it is what it is. I don't have to buy it. If they were at a venue I would gladly use them over a pair of static cdj platters.

John Calipari 2:31 PM - 16 August, 2017

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SHOUT OUT to RANE for taking the risk to try to give many of us DJs what we have been asking for!!

Agreed, although the challenge is that no matter how good the Rane TWELVES's are or aren't, the "We" will formulate a list of criticisms/shortcomings longer than their arm.

InMusic took a calculated risk but will still likely lose their Ass on these.

Rebelguy 2:36 PM - 16 August, 2017

The saddest part of this whole thing is that most of the time the "we" never has the intention to purchase a product. They just want to bitch and try to armchair quarterback all of a companies decisions.

Will08272 2:50 PM - 16 August, 2017

I saw a lot of fancy business people looking at the Twelve yesterday at the expo, just off the attention they were getting and the crowd throughout the day at the Rane Booth, i expect there to be a version of this product from other Companies in the coming months/year.

Seeing them in person and the idea of them had me convinced for sure, i would only want to wait for a MK2 due to the lack of library control, that for me would be the only limiting factor. Also being that I primarily use DVS, can't really ask for much more, the pro's definitely out way the cons for me.

goldarn 3:47 PM - 16 August, 2017

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To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.

Simple solution...don't buy one and let the people that want to enjoy their new gear.

More complex solution...spend a couple years doing market research with some of the top DJs in the world and then get a job at InMusic in the product development department and design a new product from scratch, bring it to market and watch a bunch of guys on an Internet forum complain about a product they never intended to buy anyway.

Good response there guy. #whatadick

Gio Alex 4:04 PM - 16 August, 2017

Right, because it's not like it's a business or anything. Ya'll act like people are working for free here. Part of the business is taking criticism and listening to requests. They're in the business of sales, people are getting paid. By the way, I own a bunch of Rane products. Mixers and Serato boxers so my criticism comes from a customer/consumer perspective. Not some random person punching keys.

Gio Alex 4:06 PM - 16 August, 2017

Moving forward, in depth video of the functions:
Watch www.youtube.com

Gio Alex 4:55 PM - 16 August, 2017

After viewing this more I'll be the first to admit they're making more and more sense to me. My thing about it being released sooner is more hoping that this would've been more of a standard in venues now rather than static dcj/xdj decks. I feel like pio has been holding it down heavy. Maybe venues that have techs that are always being repaired will embrace these? Shrugs. But then again, a lot of dance oriented DJs really love CDjs.

AKIEM 5:57 PM - 16 August, 2017

Heres my official criticism so far.

1. One button to cycle through the three speeds would have been better use of space. But maybe there's some tricks or something.

2. I understand the drop needle strip and wanting to replicate that since there is no tone arm. But I would have left that off. Instead maybe a rotary knob for that function.

That would let the 8 cue buttons be just buttons. And be more prominent which will be important as indicators of what track is loaded in the deck.

3. A Library rotary knob like Reloop8000s would have been good.

Actually a rotary with different functions would be good (not like the Reloops) Library / Needle Drop / Pitch. I think there should be an alternate rotary pitch control for switching between decks. The fader is good for tricks. Just don't think it's best for multiple decks.

dj_soo 6:05 PM - 16 August, 2017

placement of the cue/strip isn't ideal imo. Would be better at the bottom of the deck like the RP8000s.

That said, makes it pretty moot if you decide to go with the 72.

kip 6:09 PM - 16 August, 2017

Power cord is dangerously close to the pitch slider, especially if turned disco style.

Gio Alex 6:11 PM - 16 August, 2017

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placement of the cue/strip isn't ideal imo. Would be better at the bottom of the deck like the RP8000s.

I think the pitch slider would've been nice on the side. Like someone already said battle style as for a reason so it would've been nice if the pitch slider/fader could've been on the right hand side, non battle style.

AKIEM 6:16 PM - 16 August, 2017

I'm sure they debated about battle style verse disco style quite I bit. I'm glad they went with battle style just as recognition.

The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

dj_soo 6:16 PM - 16 August, 2017

would be nice if the power/USB side of the deck were recessed to allow for easier "house" style placement and included angled cables.

Also would be nice if they took a page out of the TTX and allowed the pitch to be moved between the tops and the sides.

Gio Alex 6:26 PM - 16 August, 2017

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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.

AKIEM 6:33 PM - 16 August, 2017

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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.

That would be like recesing everything on a V7 so you could turn it - not going to happen :P

(extended face plate)

Rebelguy 7:13 PM - 16 August, 2017

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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.

Only if it's successful enough to warrant an MK2. Since everyone thinks it's DOA then it probably won't happen.

John Calipari 7:40 PM - 16 August, 2017

All of the Traktor users are up-in-arms, again, conniving on how to get this Rane set-up to work or preparing to beg Native to MIDI map it to Traktor Pro while some VDJ users are claiming (hoping) this will map right out of the box.

We Serato users are a spoiled bunch

eugguy 8:16 PM - 16 August, 2017

Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.

Gio Alex 8:21 PM - 16 August, 2017

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Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.

Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers are my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watch www.youtube.com

Gio Alex 8:22 PM - 16 August, 2017

Quote:

Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.

Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers aren't my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watch www.youtube.com

Meant aren't my thing.

dj_soo 8:37 PM - 16 August, 2017

Don't forget the Denon decks.

The problem with everything except the V7s is that they all still require timecode to run DVS which is a little less precise and can lead to things like sticker drift. The V7s are midi, but they have the serato sound card in the unit so you have to bypass your mixer functions which is a deal breaker for many.

The Twelve is essentially an HID controller with high resolution midi which basically gives all the immediate control and precician of a controller, but the feel of a turntable.

Personally, I'm excited, but my priority is still getting the 72 first as it's basically everything I want in a serato mixer and I can stop bringing my SP1 to gigs.

Gio Alex 8:39 PM - 16 August, 2017

I hear that. The 72 is intriguing. I wonder when they'll talk about the 74/

dj_soo 8:40 PM - 16 August, 2017

Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).

Gio Alex 8:47 PM - 16 August, 2017

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Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).

Ah ok, I didn't really look at it that way, but I see what you mean. I forget they're all in house. However the Denon X1800 doesn't have the midi buttons that a serato mixers is design for. Loop rool, cue points and all that. And I'm sure that denon mixer is midi mapable but not the same as having dedicated buttons. Denon X1800 is really designed to push Prime, regardless of serato dj support.

dj_soo 8:48 PM - 16 August, 2017

I guess the idea is that the sc5000 prime decks handle all the controls (which is supposed to get serato support as well).

eugguy 10:35 PM - 16 August, 2017

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Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).

That is insightful there.

eugguy 10:36 PM - 16 August, 2017

Quote:

Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.

Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers are my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watch www.youtube.com

Thumbs up there!

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:07 PM - 16 August, 2017

I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Gio Alex 11:52 PM - 16 August, 2017

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I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Looks wise, yes.

kip 12:45 AM - 17 August, 2017

Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?

Michael R 1:09 AM - 17 August, 2017

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Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?

Yes it is. A detented slider means it "catches" slightly at the 0 (middle) position.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:12 AM - 17 August, 2017

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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

O-o ???

OK - waiting on Johnny M to REALLY fuck with you on this one....

You do know the size, specs, and weight don't change by turning the table 90 degrees (ok power cord and Usb maybe)

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All of the Traktor users are up-in-arms, again, conniving on how to get this Rane set-up to work or preparing to beg Native to MIDI map it to Traktor Pro while some VDJ users are claiming (hoping) this will map right out of the box.

We Serato users are a spoiled bunch

Even though NI would love this IF somebody made this work with Traktor I think if Pioneer made it work with Rekordbox DVS - i think it would make a HUGE dent in the market share,

All the USB stick guys who loved vinyl and are on rekordbox with CDJs from Traktor AND Serato would love the feel of vinyl again - especially if their EDM library is already Reckordbox ready,

But on the other hand - I'm sure the laptops would be TOO HEAVY for them now....

It would be like carrying crates again - lol

DJ BroMoney 1:23 AM - 17 August, 2017

The biggest thing this thing is missing to me personally is a pitch reset switch like on my mk5s. Any chance we could midimap a feature like that? Something like "Shift on the 72 + one of the 33/45 RPM buttons"?

AKIEM 3:13 AM - 17 August, 2017

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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....

O-o ???

OK - waiting on Johnny M to REALLY fuck with you on this one....

You do know the size, specs, and weight don't change by turning the table 90 degrees (ok power cord and Usb maybe)

I wouldnt put it past him ;-)

But we're talking about the build, not rotating it. If they built it with the pitch fader on the right it would be wider. Assuming they want mixer depth then it would be a biger footprint disco style. I guess it could shorter then a mixer, but that would be weak.

Taipanic 4:37 AM - 17 August, 2017

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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing

AKIEM 4:47 AM - 17 August, 2017

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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing

He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 6:01 AM - 17 August, 2017

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He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.

Ha!

DJ Marv the Maverick 6:46 AM - 17 August, 2017

As the decks have no screens

If one was using it with another mixer eg the S9 or 62, does on just use the decks buttons to assign it to a channel

The Pio CDJs (HID) have a deck 1 to 4 select in the menu

Why does it have the pitch range just under the fader?

I've got a ST150 and the pitch fader area is "clear"

Just thinking about bumping into +50 when quickly moving the pitch.

And why multiple buttons, same could have been done with one and some lights to show which value you are in

Same for the rpm button too.

WarpNote 7:38 AM - 17 August, 2017

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And why multiple buttons

Tone play tricks?

DJ C-BEATZ 12:26 PM - 17 August, 2017

The TWELVE will be the way to go for me. I currently dj with a 62/techs. In addition to those, i also have a pioneer ddi-sz for convenience. IMHO, i would prefer the TWELVE to the the SZ for a second set due to its motorized platter and vinyl size for ease of scratch combo.

GusGomez 12:32 PM - 17 August, 2017

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The TWELVE will be the way to go for me. I currently dj with a 62/techs. In addition to those, i also have a pioneer ddi-sz for convenience. IMHO, i would prefer the TWELVE to the the SZ for a second set due to its motorized platter and vinyl size for ease of scratch combo.

are you keeping the 62 or making the move to the 72?

lvmez 12:38 PM - 17 August, 2017

I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

GusGomez 12:41 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

Prob could but that's a large set up...but I think they said the 72 is only a 2 deck unit you can't have more than 2 decks.

DJ GaFFle 1:06 PM - 17 August, 2017

Has anyone taken note of this deck's dimensions? Will it fit directly into normal TT road cases or will new ones be required? I prefer to keep my TT setup in the cases.

lvmez 1:26 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

Prob could but that's a large set up...but I think they said the 72 is only a 2 deck unit you can't have more than 2 decks.

It's for home use only. Would like to be able to use both turntables.

Logisticalstyles 1:32 PM - 17 August, 2017

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Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?

Yes it is. A detented slider means it "catches" slightly at the 0 (middle) position.

Funny how a detented pitch slider is now considered a feature. The removal of the center click on the 1200s was an upgrade and is still a sought after modification.

Gio Alex 3:05 PM - 17 August, 2017

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Funny how a detented pitch slider is now considered a feature. The removal of the center click on the 1200s was an upgrade and is still a sought after modification.

haha word, right!?

DJ C-BEATZ 3:22 PM - 17 August, 2017

are you keeping the 62 or making the move to the 72?

I am selling off my 62 and DDJ SZ to enable me get the TWELVE/72

s3kn0tr0n1c 3:23 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

Looks like you would be able to hook them up but for switching between them I can see how to on mixer.

Perhaps a setting in SDJ to toggle between TT and 12 would be an option.

6 5:33 PM - 17 August, 2017

Liking both the Seventy-Two and Twelve without having tried them which would make me like them more or less. Using one Twelve to control up to 4 decks with my 64 means I wouldn't want to get the Seventy-Two just yet though the Seventy-Two does have some great stuff going for it.

skinnyguy 6:06 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.

AKIEM 6:13 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.

If the button could be set to momentary.

DJ Dub Cowboy 6:32 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.

amateurs

kip 6:37 PM - 17 August, 2017

My guess is that when touchstrip is in needle drop mode it's not lit.

Djkom 8:00 PM - 17 August, 2017

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My guess is that when touchstrip is in needle drop mode it's not lit.

And when it's in cue mode with no hot cues set ??? How to delete hot cues ???

There's definitely something not clear with this touch strip...

dj_soo 10:32 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.

Controllers have worked the exact same way for years. If people fuck up, then they aren't practising enough.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:38 PM - 17 August, 2017

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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing

The asthetics of the DZ1200 were perfect. The innards and performance, a fail.

I'm saying a rotating platter model shouldn't be bigger than the DZ1200's, at most.

A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:39 PM - 17 August, 2017

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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

Quote:

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...

Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing

He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.

That cassette would probably store more info than that proprietary SD card they had...

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:44 PM - 17 August, 2017

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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.

I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.

If the button could be set to momentary.

So did InMusic offer you that position that Rane passed you up on?

Nows the time to strike!

Culprit 5:28 AM - 18 August, 2017

I'm buying 2 for sure. I'm happy with its current design. Keep my S9 and 2 of these.

Herzl 10:48 AM - 18 August, 2017

Anybody know the weight of the Twelve?

GusGomez 1:10 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I'm buying 2 for sure. I'm happy with its current design. Keep my S9 and 2 of these.

This is what I was thinking if I ever decide to get a pair but all those USB ports you have to use would be a pain for me since I'm planning to buy the new MacBook Pro in the coming months

DJ Tecniq 2:01 PM - 18 August, 2017

Dope decks but sticking with my Technics I use the S9 and an external so I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that. If I had the 72 I would for sure get these.

Gio Alex 2:04 PM - 18 August, 2017

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A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....

This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.

John Calipari 2:09 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that.

The USB connectivity is the one thing that would cause be pause also

John Calipari 2:42 PM - 18 August, 2017

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Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records..

Factoring is what their SL's alone cost, the price point of a theoretical High Quality Rane Built Hybrid Motorized Deck would have caused complaints that make the criticisms in this thread look like child's play.

Gio Alex 2:46 PM - 18 August, 2017

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Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records..

Factoring is what their SL's alone cost, the price point of a theoretical High Quality Rane Built Hybrid Motorized Deck would have caused complaints that make the criticisms in this thread look like child's play.

I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive. People are buying 2k-3k mixers these days like it's no big. But yeah, I hear ya.

John Calipari 4:19 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive

Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch

Chino 4:34 PM - 18 August, 2017

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This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.

Speaking personally, I'm definitely NOT pissed about anything that you have said. I like open, honest DJ product discussions whether or not other people share my views or not.

The Twelve fills a void in the way that I DJ and use these types of products. For years I have wanted a needle-less/tonearm-less 'turntable' (motorized 12'' midi controller). I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. The weight is a minimal concern for me considering that when I first started DJing, I carried around 8 crates of records to each gig.

The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!

John Calipari 5:18 PM - 18 August, 2017

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The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!

Nice, . . . . x 2 with a 72?

DJ BroMoney 5:22 PM - 18 August, 2017

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This is what I was thinking if I ever decide to get a pair but all those USB ports you have to use would be a pain for me since I'm planning to buy the new MacBook Pro in the coming months

Macbook pro has 4 USB C ports... If you don't plan on using a Portable HD you essentially have all 3 USBs directly plugged and one for power.

the SOUNDINSURGENT 5:51 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that. If I had the 72 I would for sure get these.

Which is basically a powered hub in itself so really no difference that I can see, unless I'm missing something here??

dj_soo 6:11 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive

Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch

2 cdj 2000nxs2s without a mixer cost more than a pair of twelves and the 72 together - and that's based on msrp.

John Calipari 6:21 PM - 18 August, 2017

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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive

Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch

2 cdj 2000nxs2s without a mixer cost more than a pair of twelves and the 72 together - and that's based on msrp.

Yeah, that's my point, the Twelves are geared at Battle DJ's. Rane says that from the start of the trailer.

Mr. Goodkat 6:53 PM - 18 August, 2017

if you have a computer and are still using vinyl with it, isnt it just kinda to show you can?

at this point, why wouldn't you just record the record or get a digital verision?

lvmez 7:15 PM - 18 August, 2017

instagram.com

You can change vinyl On the Twelve.

lvmez 7:31 PM - 18 August, 2017

instagram.com

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:39 PM - 18 August, 2017

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A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....

This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.

Man, I don't pay these cars no mind...

Chino 7:46 PM - 18 August, 2017

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Nice, . . . . x 2 with a 72?

I'll probably start off with the Rane 72 with one Twelve. I need to see how comfortable I am switching decks with just one Twelve first. Eventually Ill purchase a second deck though.

slimmjimm 7:53 PM - 18 August, 2017

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You can change vinyl On the Twelve.

Either people are trolling, or there's a lot of stupid in those comments.

Djkom 10:27 PM - 18 August, 2017

Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs

djcrap 12:23 AM - 19 August, 2017

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This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.

Speaking personally, I'm definitely NOT pissed about anything that you have said. I like open, honest DJ product discussions whether or not other people share my views or not.

The Twelve fills a void in the way that I DJ and use these types of products. For years I have wanted a needle-less/tonearm-less 'turntable' (motorized 12'' midi controller). I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. The weight is a minimal concern for me considering that when I first started DJing, I carried around 8 crates of records to each gig.

The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!

AKIEM 1:07 AM - 19 August, 2017

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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs

We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

J.J. 4:36 AM - 19 August, 2017

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We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

djworx.com

dj_spark 8:19 AM - 19 August, 2017

I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Basically, I only get to mix with my modded V7 out of my home, even if I would like to go out with the SLDZ if it has more torque, more controls. The CDX is too big, bulky.
In the end the V7 is more reliable than the SLDZ but the CDX can have a cd unit failure that I couldn't handle live...

Djkom 11:26 AM - 19 August, 2017

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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Basically, I only get to mix with my modded V7 out of my home, even if I would like to go out with the SLDZ if it has more torque, more controls. The CDX is too big, bulky.
In the end the V7 is more reliable than the SLDZ but the CDX can have a cd unit failure that I couldn't handle live...

This is it !!

AKIEM 3:50 PM - 19 August, 2017

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We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

djworx.com

Yeah. That was a great mod. Doesnt mean a DJ record player that can't play 12"s makes any sense at all as a product.

kip 7:52 PM - 19 August, 2017

If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?

Will08272 7:57 PM - 19 August, 2017

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If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?

The Twelve is essentially a midi controller, so it wouldn't require the expansion.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 2:03 AM - 20 August, 2017

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If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?

The Twelve is essentially a midi controller, so it wouldn't require the expansion.

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Hmmm. Wow that is a good question, I had to buy DVS expansion to use the AMX with my 1200s - since it is a Official Serato Accessory like the AFX - do you have to buy the DVS pack?

dj_soo 2:07 AM - 20 August, 2017

you don't have to buy the dvs expansion pack to use CDJ2000s in HID so I wouldn't expect this to need it either...

It's just midi signals while the DVS plugin is specifically for timecode.

Michael R 10:35 PM - 20 August, 2017

No, you don't need to buy the DVS expansion pack to use the Rane Twelve :)

Gio Alex 11:34 PM - 20 August, 2017

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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

Boom! that's pretty dope!

Gio Alex 11:38 PM - 20 August, 2017

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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs

We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

Lol

Admittedly it is a bit goofy since majority of vinyl singles are 12', BUT it's about portability I'm sure. Also, keep in mind, some cats only play 45s. So I can see that working for them since there aren't a ton of 10" records.

I would've gladly paid top money if the SL-700 went into production. Would love a pair of portable techs to play 45s.

AKIEM 11:58 PM - 20 August, 2017

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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs

We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

Lol

Admittedly it is a bit goofy since majority of vinyl singles are 12', BUT it's about portability I'm sure. Also, keep in mind, some cats only play 45s. So I can see that working for them since there aren't a ton of 10" records.

I would've gladly paid top money if the SL-700 went into production. Would love a pair of portable techs to play 45s.

How bout its mono, only plays at 78, a built in am radio, and weight one pound?

SUBSTANCE 4:40 AM - 22 August, 2017

a new DJ turntable in a do-not-touch case. how meta.

skinnyguy 7:58 PM - 22 August, 2017

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... I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. ...

you're still going to have to protect those vinyl discs from sunlight and heat at those outdoor events.

DJ Barticus 9:24 PM - 22 August, 2017

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... I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. ...

you're still going to have to protect those vinyl discs from sunlight and heat at those outdoor events.

couldn't you just attach any record if needed? how does it work

Niro 9:38 PM - 22 August, 2017

Yup, go to the thrift shop and buy a bunch of 25 cent records and play in the sun all you want.

AKIEM 10:09 PM - 22 August, 2017

Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P

Robbie O 10:46 PM - 22 August, 2017

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Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P

Probably similar to the ns7
d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net

AKIEM 1:01 AM - 23 August, 2017

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Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P

Probably similar to the ns7
d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net

I don't see any place to tighten it.

slimmjimm 1:39 AM - 23 August, 2017

Is anyone going to try and map these to SSL, kind of like the VCI-380?

Mr. Goodkat 2:21 AM - 23 August, 2017

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Is anyone going to try and map these to SSL, kind of like the VCI-380?

vci-380 had a official mapping from vestax if im not mistaken

Gio Alex 11:29 AM - 24 August, 2017

Well, apparently being selling for preorder. Est ship date Nov.

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John Calipari 11:49 AM - 24 August, 2017

The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.

dj_soo 12:39 PM - 24 August, 2017

the 62 was more expensive when it dropped

John Calipari 1:31 PM - 24 August, 2017

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the 62 was more expensive when it dropped

True, but the 62 wasn't as intrinsically tied to companion hardware as the 72

Gio Alex 2:19 PM - 24 August, 2017

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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.

I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.

John Calipari 3:25 PM - 24 August, 2017

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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.

I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.

I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

In purchasing the 12/72 set-up, your pretty much committing to that Rane Ecosystem. Not a bad thing as it should work seamless, but should one ever decide to sell any of them, might as well sell all of them because it doesn't make sense to have one without the other.

The Return of Dj Sparky 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017

Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72

The Return of Dj Sparky 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017

Or am I missing something?

Gio Alex 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017

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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.

Gio Alex 3:32 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72

That's what I'm saying. It's still a mixer for all sorts of uses.

CMOS 4:11 PM - 24 August, 2017

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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.

S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.

The Twelve is basically the same setup as you would do now with CDJs in HID, mixer to laptop, Twelves to a hub.

Gio Alex 4:24 PM - 24 August, 2017

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S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.

Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.

kvnkrz 4:31 PM - 24 August, 2017

Do you guys think the pitch will work like a digital controller?

And kudos for the 72. The fx swtiches can be turned 180 degrees.
The each side of the pads can be assigned to something not being stuck on the same mode on all 16 pads like the s9 ;)

list goes on and on..

kvnkrz 4:32 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Do you guys think the pitch will work like a digital controller?

And kudos for the 72. The fx swtiches can be turned 180 degrees.
The each side of the pads can be assigned to something not being stuck on the same mode on all 16 pads like the s9 ;)

list goes on and on..

Oh ya and transport controls!

AKIEM 4:48 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72

Well they look nice together.

I'm holding off on the 72 - maybe there will be a 57MK3!

Def getting a TWELVE
(not paying msrp pre order lol)

John Calipari 4:49 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72

What other 2-Channel Mixer has 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each respectively? I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.

Other than than, it could be used with anything.

AKIEM 4:58 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72

What other 2-Channel Mixer has 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each respectively? I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.

Other than than, it could be used with anything.

Are they specialized tho?

I might be wrong but seems like direct usb would be the same (or better).

Chino 5:09 PM - 24 August, 2017

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I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.

That makes perfect sense to me. Let's all hope that inMusic Brand has implemented low latency improvements.

The Twelves are MIDI controllers so low latency is extremely important in order for the 'turntable feel' to be spot on!!

The Return of Dj Sparky 5:40 PM - 24 August, 2017

From what I've read those USB ports are only hubs on the 72 and won't offer any lower latency then plugging them into the pc

John Calipari 5:59 PM - 24 August, 2017

If it can translate TWELVE's Performance MIDI data directly, it essentially has all the advantages of a All-In-One controller.

Otherwise, for a Mac anyways, even one of these would likely require a USB Hub which I avoid running MIDI gear through at all cost

But make no mistake, I like this system . . . . A LOT!

dj_soo 6:15 PM - 24 August, 2017

is it? it's a midi

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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.

I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.

I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

In purchasing the 12/72 set-up, your pretty much committing to that Rane Ecosystem. Not a bad thing as it should work seamless, but should one ever decide to sell any of them, might as well sell all of them because it doesn't make sense to have one without the other.

how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.

DJ Tecniq 6:27 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.

The Pioneer fx can be changed in the Pioneer utility there's actually a lot the mixer can do. And the echo hold is pretty dope for remixing/sampling.

John Calipari 6:32 PM - 24 August, 2017

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how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.

Not 100% dedicated but the 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each specifically" kinda implies that Rane made the 72 with the TWELVE in mind.

I'm genuinely curious. Why would Rane label those that way, and even label which side gets plugged into which USB-A Port?

Gio Alex 6:36 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.

The Pioneer fx can be changed in the Pioneer utility there's actually a lot the mixer can do. And the echo hold is pretty dope for remixing/sampling.

Yeah but you need the computer first. I'm not shitting on it at all just to make it clear. I'm was pointing out the differences. Personally, if you're gonna sell a mixer for more than 1500 it should have an FX Loop (send return), Footswitch and so on. Like why not, I paying damn near 2k, throw the goods in there. lol

dj_soo 7:00 PM - 24 August, 2017

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how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.

Not 100% dedicated but the 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each specifically" kinda implies that Rane made the 72 with the TWELVE in mind.

I'm genuinely curious. Why would Rane label those that way, and even label which side gets plugged into which USB-A Port?

I believe it's just a hub with a bit of proprietary stuff specifically for the Twelve, but you can plug anything in those slots.

AKIEM 7:16 PM - 24 August, 2017

USB hubs get special names all the time...

CMOS 7:28 PM - 24 August, 2017

Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.

With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.

Gio Alex 7:29 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.

With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.

Smart!!!

Gio Alex 7:36 PM - 24 August, 2017

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Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.

With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.

You basically broke it down perfectly.

AKIEM 7:48 PM - 24 August, 2017

I wonder what the added cost of a motorized fader would be?

ddjozone 12:47 AM - 25 August, 2017

Sooo VCI-380 and Rane 12? For those who have been hanging on to their vestax vci-380 to use as dvs... combined with the Rane 12... You're getting the bigger motorized platter without the DVS workaround.... So will this work?

dj_soo 2:42 AM - 25 August, 2017

My guess is no as it would probably require serato to make an update specifically for the vci-380 which is long discontinued.

I'm planning on getting a mixars primo anyway tho...

skinnyguy 7:46 AM - 25 August, 2017

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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.

if i'm not mistaken, the 72 has built in fx. sdj fx are pre-fader, 72 fx are post. didn't they mention that in the video?
S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.

The Twelve is basically the same setup as you would do now with CDJs in HID, mixer to laptop, Twelves to a hub.

DJ Tecniq 11:27 AM - 25 August, 2017

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I'm planning on getting a mixars primo anyway tho...

If they ever release it. I have my mind on that deck too. A 2 ch controller w/DVS support finally...sign me up!

dj_soo 12:20 AM - 26 August, 2017

looks like october

05spoof 2:08 PM - 26 August, 2017

Used 1200's $300-500, RP-7K $400-500, ntx1000 for $399....just saying

I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.

Chino 2:45 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.

That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)

AKIEM 3:04 PM - 26 August, 2017

I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.

Chino 3:12 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.

LOL, yeah that is very true! Let's see how it goes with the release of these new RANE products.

AKIEM 3:33 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.

LOL, yeah that is very true! Let's see how it goes with the release of these new RANE products.

lol. I mean sure, it could be over priced and flop. I can't tell that till I try one out though. But if it's built right, that's a reasonable price to me. It's 'new technology' and should/looks like it's built more rugged than them other decks (dare I say even a used tech)

And under warrenty. So far Rane/InMusic service has done me excellent (suppose could be a trick to get me to buy new product)

Chino 3:43 PM - 26 August, 2017

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So far Rane/InMusic service has done me excellent (suppose could be a trick to get me to buy new product)

inMusic Brand knows that the pressure is on to deliver legacy RANE level build quality & customer service! I did like what I saw at the DJ Expo as far as the external build quality.

Now I'm waiting to see if the internal components are just as good & if inMusic Brand can deliver excellent customer service. We shall see...

DJ Marv the Maverick 3:55 PM - 26 August, 2017

I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.

But we shall see.

Holding out till mid or late 2018.

I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.

DJ Marv the Maverick 3:56 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.

But we shall see.

Holding out till mid or late 2018.

I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.

Re - Rane 72

Chino 4:22 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.

STOP IT! DON'T JINX IT!! LOL….. Knock on wood & POSITIVE thoughts please!

I'm sooooo tired of latency caused by the screens in many inMusic Brand products so hopefully it's fixed this time around!

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I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.

Damn it! Now Im going to have to work harder to convince you this time around! ; ) LMAO

05spoof 4:43 PM - 26 August, 2017

At those prices...there has to be some endorsement deals.

DJ Dub Cowboy 5:30 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.

That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)

I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.

AKIEM 6:29 PM - 26 August, 2017

Eh, probably a lot more expenses and cost that went into buying Rane and relaunching it that they can just pass savings like that. Market and profits - these companies try to sell product at the highest price the market will allow. If the specs are same or close, and the compatition is lite, why lower the price?

DJ Dub Cowboy 7:27 PM - 26 August, 2017

because it's ridiculous to pay almost $1000 to get into Serato with just an interface these days when there are so many other ways to get a DVS for much less than $500. It's a quality piece, no doubt (I use one all the time), but I doubt they will see much of an uptick in sales for tech that is almost 7 years old with no price drops.

djcrap 9:42 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.

That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)

May be its the reasons n rane failed and was sold because they were losing money by manufacturing every thing in the usa.

AKIEM 9:52 PM - 26 August, 2017

Why didn't the POTUS save us?

WildcardX 11:47 PM - 26 August, 2017

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I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.

Might be too early to tell that as the new SL4 and the new MP2015 (as well as the Twelve and Seventy-Two) haven't hit the market yet. So there is still hope for that too happen as I myself are waiting on the people ditching the S9.

Chino 12:31 AM - 27 August, 2017

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Why didn't the POTUS save us?

He is currently too busy Tweeting & dealing with all the resignations!!
; )

DJ Dub Cowboy 1:43 AM - 27 August, 2017

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I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.

Might be too early to tell that as the new SL4 and the new MP2015 (as well as the Twelve and Seventy-Two) haven't hit the market yet. So there is still hope for that too happen as I myself are waiting on the people ditching the S9.

I believe the 'made in taiwan' SL4s and 2015s are shipping now. I anxiously await a comparison video....full guts and glory. I think die-hard Rane fans want to know about the quality of components and construction methods. Down to the welds and screws....

Mr. Goodkat 1:57 AM - 27 August, 2017

im not gonna lie, i like my 62, but i dont think the construction is all that great.

the eq pots feel wobbly, more than a pioneer or ni z2, some of the screws are oxidizing and rusting.

the buttons and knobs are pretty crappy too. I changed the knobs with the yellow 62 knobs but they are still very small and blue so almost invisible in a dark booth.

the efx are pretty garbage compared to the pioneer s9 or DJM 8-900

personally i've tried to sell the 62 but its hard to get less than 1k for it so im gonna hang on to it.

IMO the sound is the best thing about the mixer

DJ Dub Cowboy 2:21 AM - 27 August, 2017

I do agree and wholeheartedly welcome build quality improvements. I would gladly pay the same price for a product that is made better as long as it comes with the same or better support.

dj_soo 2:24 AM - 27 August, 2017

the 6x series was a major step down in build to older rane stuff imo.

Mr. Goodkat 3:17 AM - 27 August, 2017

there is some kinda magic in rane mixers though.

not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.

AKIEM 2:00 PM - 27 August, 2017

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there is some kinda magic in rane mixers though.

not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.

...and we'll see if the magic is still there.
(Remember Vestax)

AKIEM 2:04 PM - 27 August, 2017

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Why didn't the POTUS save us?

He is currently too busy Tweeting & dealing with all the resignations!!
; )

Just hope he doesn't put a teriff on foreign dj equipments

Chino 6:36 PM - 27 August, 2017

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there is some kinda magic in rane mixers though.

not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.

I agree. I hope the 'new' RANE company is able to capture that same 'magic' with the 72 & Twelve.

05spoof 1:39 PM - 28 August, 2017

^
Big fan of Rane's linear channel curves, eq's, and filters. Everything just sounds right and effortless during a mix. Crazy that I have to change workflow on a Pioneer because the sound is so different. It's like trying to paint a masterpiece with crayons.

your momma 8:16 PM - 28 August, 2017

i really want a set up with the 72 mixer and 2x 12 vinyl controllers.

then again i sort of want the denon vl12 turntables with a serato box.

but the 12 if it performs as good as it looks on youtube..........

im conflicted.

i guess we have to wait till they drop in stores to find out how good they is or is not.

k3cata 9:37 PM - 28 August, 2017

Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

Michael R 9:41 PM - 28 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!

lvmez 9:56 PM - 28 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

Lol, you guys ask ridiculous questions.

Will08272 10:19 PM - 28 August, 2017

Wasn't sure where to ask this as it sort of pertains to both the 12 & 72, i do have in mind the way the ports in the rear work as far as the channels go, does this mean there is something custom being done when two 12's are being used on a single machine. Also understand if it is a wait and see situation that can't be answered now.

Michael R 10:29 PM - 28 August, 2017

Sorry man, not sure I understand the question. What is it you're wanting to know? Happy to answer if I can :)

J.J. 11:05 PM - 28 August, 2017

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Wasn't sure where to ask this as it sort of pertains to both the 12 & 72, i do have in mind the way the ports in the rear work as far as the channels go, does this mean there is something custom being done when two 12's are being used on a single machine. Also understand if it is a wait and see situation that can't be answered now.

I'm not sure if I understand the question?

The Twelve has 4 buttons for Deck 1, 2, 3 & 4.

It does however matter what USB Deck 1/2 Hub port it's plugged into. If you switch Deck 1 USB A on the Seventy-Two mixer to USB B, the hub will now be sending MIDI to the second USB computer for DJ handoffs. It will NOT send MIDI in/out to both computers at the same time.

DJ Tecniq 2:42 AM - 29 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

Every working DJ on the planet wishes that. Let's hope the Twelves w/SDJ will have less pitch fluctuation like Scratchlive did. I see a big difference in DVS as bpm is more stable in Scratchlive...rest it's soul🙏🏼

k3cata 5:13 AM - 29 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!

How exactly did my question bother you?

Michael R 5:15 AM - 29 August, 2017

It didn't, I'm always happy to answer any questions on the Twelve :)

k3cata 5:29 AM - 29 August, 2017

Not you Michael.... I appreciate your answer. I was referring to lvmez. I think questions regarding SSL are still legitimate, given that it still has quite a few users. Different topic as to why this is so, but either way....

k3cata 7:43 AM - 29 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

Every working DJ on the planet wishes that. Let's hope the Twelves w/SDJ will have less pitch fluctuation like Scratchlive did. I see a big difference in DVS as bpm is more stable in Scratchlive...rest it's soul🙏🏼

It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....

lvmez 1:28 PM - 29 August, 2017

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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!

How exactly did my question bother you?

It didn't bother me, just made me laugh. Scratchlive is old technology. Why would the Twelve support it when it's new technology?

I understand some of you guys don't want to spend a lot on new laptops but I think your in the wrong business. Unfortunately DJing in this era requires a top of the line laptop. It's a required tool. If your not making money to buy a newer laptop then thats a different topic.

I've always welcomed newer technology and I'm realistic that it's going to cost a few more dollars for it to work properly.

monchi 3:20 PM - 29 August, 2017

Ivmez please enlighten us how this is twelve is new technology?

Did Numark not do this back in 2004 or 2006 ?

Maybe Rane just improved on the old technology ?

Either way some will like them others will not.

Gio Alex 3:28 PM - 29 August, 2017

Well, it's all InMusic now so I'm sure they used the Numark V7/CDX, and Denon 3700-3900 technology to improve on it. That's my guessumption though.

Rebelguy 3:50 PM - 29 August, 2017

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It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....

These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.

Gio Alex 3:54 PM - 29 August, 2017

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These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.

All of this.

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 5:23 PM - 29 August, 2017

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These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused

The Twelve works without the 72 but Rane/Serato says you need a newer Mac to handle latency if you are a scratcher. Newer computers suck with lack or ports - etc.....

Many DJs are still hanging on to Scratchlive for the Stability but the Twelve is a SERATO DJ accessory - basically NEEDS Serato DJ to "work".

That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?

DJ Art Pumpin Payne 5:25 PM - 29 August, 2017

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lack OF ports

OOOps - lack OF Ports

lvmez 7:56 PM - 29 August, 2017

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It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....

These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.

EXACTLY!!!!! I started video DJing since the 57 came out. I was up charging for that service. I understood that I needed a better laptop every few years to keep up with new software updates. I was making the money so it was no issue. If your stuck on scratchlive because you don't want to spend money on a new computer, your in the wrong business.

AKIEM 8:27 PM - 29 August, 2017

2012 MBP, still the best tho

DJ Tecniq 8:30 PM - 29 August, 2017

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And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....

Bruh you don't need a $2000/$3000 laptop to get good performance out of SDJ lol you do however need a computer with an i7 Processor for best performance and any pc or Mac will do. You can get an i7 pc for like less than $500 on Amazon. Any 2012 or above MacBook Pro would work just fine too which are well under $1000 or less it's not that complicated🤷🏼‍♂️

Gio Alex 8:32 PM - 29 August, 2017

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2012 MBP, still the best tho

Yup! you can customize that bad boy. Just like the Late 2012 Mac Mini. Before they soldered everything or made the proprietary parts.

DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:57 AM - 30 August, 2017

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And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....

Bruh you don't need a $2000/$3000 laptop to get good performance out of SDJ lol you do however need a computer with an i7 Processor for best performance and any pc or Mac will do. You can get an i7 pc for like less than $500 on Amazon. Any 2012 or above MacBook Pro would work just fine too which are well under $1000 or less it's not that complicated🤷🏼‍♂️

I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.

Fluked 6:08 AM - 30 August, 2017

Serato Staff...... Will the twelves integrate or work with the TTM57 MK2?? Or is the 72 mixer essential for function? What features would be missed out on?

DJ Marv the Maverick 6:29 AM - 30 August, 2017

The twelve will work with any Serato DJ mixer from the Akai to the Z Trip 62.

It's the same as plugging in a dicer or any other Serato official accessory.

CMOS 1:04 PM - 30 August, 2017

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you do however need a computer with an i7 Processor for best performance

Unless you are doing video, you dont need to spend anywhere near that.

My 4 year old macbook air with an i5 1.3ghz and 4gb of ram runs SDJ flawlessly. Think you can get the lowest model out now for $999 which has a better processor than mine.

Audio mixing doesnt require an i7 macbook pro with 16gb of ram, you are wasting your money.

Telling people to get a 2500 dollar machine is ridiculous when the software will run fine on a 1000 dolar machine, leaving 1500 for a mixer or decks. Im really suprised i dont see more DJs with the Air.

DJ Tecniq 2:25 PM - 30 August, 2017

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I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.

Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.

DJ Marv the Maverick 5:23 PM - 30 August, 2017

lots of audio djs in my neck of the woods are using the the air macbook machines without any issues.

hell I know a dj that uses an AMD CPU Windows machine without any problems

Gio Alex 5:28 PM - 30 August, 2017

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Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files

This is a legit point.

Gio Alex 5:31 PM - 30 August, 2017

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Im really suprised i dont see more DJs with the Air.

I think most of the bias of more portable not suuuuuuuuuuper suped up machines started with people that were doing serato video. Since it demands more. But I feel like people are using that as much these days and if you're just using SSL or SDJ a nicely spec'ed macbook air would be perfect. I use mine on occasion for simple/short quick gigs. I have a 2013.

05spoof 7:11 PM - 30 August, 2017

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I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.

Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.

Really?...this whole time I thought it was because of core count. Like 4 does 8 at a time while 2 will do 4 simultaneously.

the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:44 PM - 30 August, 2017

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I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.

Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.

Really?...this whole time I thought it was because of core count. Like 4 does 8 at a time while 2 will do 4 simultaneously.

It is because of core count and not all i7's are quad core so always check that.

Gio Alex 7:57 PM - 30 August, 2017

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It is because of core count and not all i7's are quad core so always check that.

Yeah it's the quad core i believe.

Will08272 8:22 PM - 30 August, 2017

Bit of topic but the new intel processors that were just announced that are used on the 13" macbook and laptops of the like are quad core now. No more having to get the bigger machines for quad core cpu's.

05spoof 1:58 PM - 31 August, 2017

Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?

GusGomez 4:51 PM - 31 August, 2017

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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?

I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's

Djkom 7:51 PM - 31 August, 2017

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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?

I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's

Denon hasn't produced turntables for years ! Moreover some parts are exactly the same, so yes Numark is behind the Denon VL12s and the Rane Twelve !
And it's not a bad point because Numark have a lot of good engineering (conception, design... ) but the build and the general quality was poor...things that Denon and Rane are good in !

InMusic has all the key components to make EXCELLENT products from low to high end market !

GusGomez 3:35 PM - 1 September, 2017

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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?

I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's

Denon hasn't produced turntables for years ! Moreover some parts are exactly the same, so yes Numark is behind the Denon VL12s and the Rane Twelve !
And it's not a bad point because Numark have a lot of good engineering (conception, design... ) but the build and the general quality was poor...things that Denon and Rane are good in !

InMusic has all the key components to make EXCELLENT products from low to high end market !

Correct from my personal experience with the DenonDJ VL12's I haven't had turntables with this premium feel in a long time they feel amazing I guess time will tell how durable they are

Chino 4:41 PM - 4 September, 2017

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That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?

Great question! I would like to know this as well.

WildcardX 5:35 PM - 4 September, 2017

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That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?

Great question! I would like to know this as well.

Two situations come to mind here, while it might be mapped to VDJ and Traktor, for Scratch Live it might land in the same situation as not being able to map the Jog Wheels as in many Turntable based Midi controllers like the Denon SC3700 and 3900.

Michael R 9:27 PM - 4 September, 2017

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for Scratch Live it might land in the same situation as not being able to map the Jog Wheels as in many Turntable based Midi controllers like the Denon SC3700 and 3900.

This is correct, you can't map the Virtual Decks in Scratch Live.

slimmjimm 10:54 PM - 4 September, 2017

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for Scratch Live it might land in the same situation as not being able to map the Jog Wheels as in many Turntable based Midi controllers like the Denon SC3700 and 3900.

This is correct, you can't map the Virtual Decks in Scratch Live.

What's the basic difference between the VCI 380 and this? Also wasn't there a Denon that was supported? I believe that's where the Vestax mapping was born if I'm not mistaken.

Michael R 11:01 PM - 4 September, 2017

Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).

Chino 11:09 PM - 4 September, 2017

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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).

Soooo…. I know this is a LOOOOOOONG shot but…. Is there any chance that Serato might offer a PAID expansion pack to get the Twelve completely MIDI mapped to SSL?

I DEFINITELY would be willing to pay $29 - $49 to have the option to use the Twelve with SSL instead!!!!

Michael R 11:13 PM - 4 September, 2017

Sorry, Scratch Live is no longer being developed.

lvmez 11:59 PM - 4 September, 2017

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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).

Soooo…. I know this is a LOOOOOOONG shot but…. Is there any chance that Serato might offer a PAID expansion pack to get the Twelve completely MIDI mapped to SSL?

I DEFINITELY would be willing to pay $29 - $49 to have the option to use the Twelve with SSL instead!!!!

Lol!!! You guys are don't stop. You guys should start a new thread where you beg for every new product to be supported for SSL.

DJ Reflex 12:17 AM - 5 September, 2017

^^ I'm in! Trying to get Soundswitch to work with SL too! ^^ LoL

DJ Dub Cowboy 12:24 AM - 5 September, 2017

can we at least get an SSL skin easter eggg for DJ?

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:19 AM - 5 September, 2017

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Personally, if you're gonna sell a mixer for more than 1500 it should have an FX Loop (send return),

Whoo whee...wow.

Michael R 2:53 AM - 5 September, 2017

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can we at least get an SSL skin easter eggg for DJ?

There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?

Mr. Goodkat 3:37 AM - 5 September, 2017

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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).

yeah that mapping should be floating around somewhere

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can we at least get an SSL skin easter eggg for DJ?

There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?

1 memories
2 the colors are just better

Gio Alex 3:45 AM - 5 September, 2017

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Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?

Not to sound all crabby, but you do realize ppl have been asking that for a long time now right? I can tell you my personal reason. The color scheme on SDJ just blends together a lot. Often times I can't tell the tracks I've played so easily verses the ones I haven't. The SSL colorsheme was clear as day. The colors just popped out more.

Also the fx parameter knob made more sense with the little pointer indiction like a real mixer has. Rather than that weird sweeper thing it's got going. I dunno how to describe it, but it's like SDJ user interface was designer for non djs. I swear I'm not hating, but sometimes oversimplifying things just make it more complicated.

Gio Alex 3:47 AM - 5 September, 2017

Meant designed*

Can we get a edit button already on this forum for crying out loud! lol

Michael R 4:55 AM - 5 September, 2017

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1 memories

Now this I get :)

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2 the colors are just better

It's funny aye, things like this can be so subjective. I find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ. I totally see the green played track being very bright, but again personally I always found this too bright. But what you're saying is definitely something I've heard before, especially from people coming over to DJ from SL vs. coming over from ITCH.

Mr. Goodkat 4:59 AM - 5 September, 2017

i think the white/green just has a bit more contrast more than blue/white.

Gio Alex 5:23 AM - 5 September, 2017

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i think the white/green just has a bit more contrast more than blue/white.

Exactly!

DJ Dub Cowboy 5:32 AM - 5 September, 2017

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can we at least get an SSL skin easter eggg for DJ?

There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?

I seriously have a hard time seeing everything in DJ. I find that SSL strains my eyes way less and I can navigate the screen much easier. I also like the way the cue point colors were applied in SSL better than DJ, I have a hard time seeing the dark blue cue point in the overview waveform.

DJ Dub Cowboy 5:34 AM - 5 September, 2017

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i think the white/green just has a bit more contrast more than blue/white.

this too.

WarpNote 5:55 AM - 5 September, 2017

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It's funny aye, things like this can be so subjective. I find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ

@Michael R:
Actually, no its is a fact, orange IS brighter than blue to the human eye....
Same goes for green. This is common knowledge, that any GUI designer should know.

Have a look into this chart -> en.wikipedia.org

From this page -> en.wikipedia.org

Gio Alex 2:36 PM - 5 September, 2017

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I seriously have a hard time seeing everything in DJ. I find that SSL strains my eyes way less and I can navigate the screen much easier.

Thank you! The first time, and till now, I eyes get lost in things I'm looking for in SDJ. It's really hard to navigate because the colors are so dim and muddy up.

AKIEM 2:48 PM - 5 September, 2017

Personally I dislike reds and yellows, in favor of blues and greens. But as a designer I know that black, white and RED are best for contrast and legebility, print or screen. The darker the blue especially next to grey is horrible on screen. Blue for played tracks is fine, but not much else.

Clarity and legebility would seem like a higher priority for a DJ gui which needs to be readable at a glance and in various lighting conditions.

A lot of other less critical software has user selectable palettes. Seems like SDJ should have that, some hue faders, reverse... something at this point.

WarpNote, yup science.

Gio Alex 2:56 PM - 5 September, 2017

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The darker the blue especially next to grey is horrible on screen

This.

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Clarity and legebility would seem like a higher priority for a DJ gui which needs to be readable at a glance and in various lighting conditions.

If it's a day gig with SDJ, forget about it. lol

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A lot of other less critical software has user selectable palettes. Seems like SDJ should have that, some hue faders, reverse... something at this point.

Makes me wonder if it's not some Rane vs Serato legality issue. Who owns the rights to SSL and it's design? Is it a Rane/Serato partnership.

AKIEM 4:29 PM - 5 September, 2017

My understanding is that the SSL gui was important branding. And it did look like it complemented Rane gear at the time (I don't know about legal) But at this point I can't see how having some more color options would hurt brand recognition (especially when it's just greyblue muddied now lol)

(glad the little pastel color dot is gone tho)

J.J. 6:44 PM - 5 September, 2017

From a graphic design standpoint, Serato DJ is clearly better than Scratch Live. From the simple flat modern design to the ergonomic layout. Even though orange is brighter, I also find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ.

I personally love the color scheme of Serato DJ. I prefer the Highlighted Track blue than the burnt orange. I also like the Played Tracks to turn blue rather than green.

You would think it would be easy add orange.
Under Setup -> Library + Display -> Played Track Color = Blue, Gray or None

But then the color scheme will be all messed up and you end up with Virtual DJ. Maybe with Retina support, it would be a lot easier to see. They could add a CLASSIC (orange, green) SSL layout design. Where is Day Mode like in Itch?

For the DJs that are having problems reading the tracks, is zooming in out of the question?
Zoom library text size: control and + or -

If you really want orange and day mode you can invert the colors on a mac. Of course it messes up the waveform and cue point colors.
Under System Preferences -> Accessibility -> Display -> Check Invert colors.

Mr. Goodkat 6:58 PM - 5 September, 2017

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From a graphic design standpoint, Serato DJ is clearly better than Scratch Live. From the simple flat modern design to the ergonomic layout. Even though orange is brighter, I also find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ.

I personally love the color scheme of Serato DJ. I prefer the Highlighted Track blue than the burnt orange. I also like the Played Tracks to turn blue rather than green.

You would think it would be easy add orange.
Under Setup -> Library + Display -> Played Track Color = Blue, Gray or None

But then the color scheme will be all messed up and you end up with Virtual DJ. Maybe with Retina support, it would be a lot easier to see. They could add a CLASSIC (orange, green) SSL layout design. Where is Day Mode like in Itch?

For the DJs that are having problems reading the tracks, is zooming in out of the question?
Zoom library text size: control and + or -

If you really want orange and day mode you can invert the colors on a mac. Of course it messes up the waveform and cue point colors.
Under System Preferences -> Accessibility -> Display -> Check Invert colors.

i think orange and green is an ugly combo(no offense to the Irish) but it stands out.

Blue, grey and black are nice looking in a design sense, but with dark dj booths or bright day events they arent the best for djing on a computer

Mr. Goodkat 7:00 PM - 5 September, 2017

its like this page on your website

www.poweronplay.com

the stuff with red is far easier to see than that serato design in blue. if you have great eyesight, it might look ok either way, but with not great to bad eyesight in bad light its just difficult

J.J. 7:36 PM - 5 September, 2017

Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com

Gio Alex 7:46 PM - 5 September, 2017

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Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com

Wait, what's happening here?

Mr. Goodkat 10:40 PM - 5 September, 2017

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Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com

i was just saying on your site, the red is obvious too much for serato with the amount of lines and text. thats why its good for bad files or errors, they shouldnt be there too much.

the green is brigher and to me seems to signal information like a street sign as opposed to a red which means stop or attention.

Gio Alex 3:16 AM - 6 September, 2017

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i was just saying on your site, the red is obvious too much for serato with the amount of lines and text. thats why its good for bad files or errors, they shouldnt be there too much.

the green is brigher and to me seems to signal information like a street sign as opposed to a red which means stop or attention.

It's proven that certain colors do certain things to the mind and eye. Some people in here just playing games lol.

Michael R 1:19 AM - 7 September, 2017

Thanks for the feedback, good to hear from you all.

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Actually, no its is a fact, orange IS brighter than blue to the human eye....
Same goes for green. This is common knowledge, that any GUI designer should know.

I never said the blue was brighter, I said that to me I find the blue clearer. For me, the orange makes it hard to read the white.

Also FYI I'm not a GUI designer, so this is all just my opinion ;)

Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Taipanic 6:02 AM - 7 September, 2017

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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Unless you are Numark!
HATE all the red on the NS7 - kept me from buying one for sure

Gio Alex 2:07 PM - 7 September, 2017

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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Unless you are Numark!
HATE all the red on the NS7 - kept me from buying one for sure

Yeah I never understood the logic behind putting read on the meters. So backwards. With that being said, I also hate blue/white LEDs. I think the Mackie D2 had that. THROWBACK THURSDAY!!!

AKIEM 2:52 PM - 7 September, 2017

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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Gio Alex 3:22 PM - 7 September, 2017

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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org

LOL this guy

AKIEM 6:35 PM - 7 September, 2017

lol. But for real that dark red would be more seeable than the true-blue for the button indicators and the auto loop number, etc. can't even see that.

To me the blue/grey played text is fine, change the size if it's too small.

Michael R 10:28 PM - 7 September, 2017

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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.

Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Touché :P

skinnyguy 6:33 PM - 8 September, 2017

about the rane twelve being mapped to ssl....

there was a hack (someone wrote code) for the platters on the denon 6000 to work with ssl.

i'm sure something similar (or possibly even the same code) can be used for the twelve.

J.J. 7:54 PM - 8 September, 2017

SSL supports custom MIDI in a XML file. You can get non spinning platters to work using the DN-HC4500 XML MIDI. They are talking about spinning MIDI platters like the DN-S3700 or DN-S3900. You can even get non Serato supported Jogwheels to work with SDJ which works better than in SSL.

1. <midi>
2. <!-- SSL RANE TWELVE mapping file created by PowerOnPlay on 8th Sep, 2017 -->
3. <Platter type="Denon DN-HC4500" />
4. <Modifier name="Shift Modifier 1" event_type="Note On" channel="1" control="96" />
5. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" data_type="Relative Binary Offset" control="81" />
6. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="81" data_type="Relative 2&apos;s Complement" reversed="true" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 1"/>
7. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Note On" control="81" />

SUBSTANCE 10:00 PM - 17 September, 2017

Any hands on videos yet?

dj_spark 3:19 PM - 18 September, 2017

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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Proof !
www.instagram.com

DJ Barticus 5:41 PM - 18 September, 2017

I already sold my Denon SC5000 to make room for a pair of these. at this point the rane 12 controller might get serato support first.

Chino 7:05 PM - 18 September, 2017

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I already sold my Denon SC5000 to make room for a pair of these. at this point the rane 12 controller might get serato support first.

Since the RANE Twelve is an 'OSA'(Official Serato Accessory), I would imagine that Serato DJ support SHOULD be available right at product launch.

I'm still debating whether or not to sell my pair of Denon sc3900s prior to purchasing the Twelve. I will probably wait to make sure the Twelve is stable/reliable before I sell my 3900s.

AKIEM 7:14 PM - 18 September, 2017

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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Proof !
www.instagram.com

Which one of these has the closer footprint to a Rane mixer (and the 12)?

Ans: V7

The Twelve has the same depth (front to back) as the V7 it's just wider by a couple inches. That's part of the benefit of battle style minimal crap, good use of space - which those decks lack. Maybe the SLDZ. So they could have made it 10" and as short SLDZ, but why? Shorter than the mixer??

Don't focus on the plater size instead of the actual footprint which is closer to V7 than the other two, its just much more efficient with space and gadgets.

A 10" version would be shorter than the mixer...

AKIEM 11:27 PM - 18 September, 2017

Actually I think I'm wrong about the above. I was assuming the 72 has the same footprint as the 62 - 14" high. That's maybe incorrect.

AKIEM 11:46 PM - 18 September, 2017

I made some guesses.... but.

i.imgflip.com

NUdisc0 11:49 PM - 18 September, 2017

I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.

AKIEM 11:50 PM - 18 September, 2017

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I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.

You will likely be dissapointed. ...

NUdisc0 11:53 PM - 18 September, 2017

Why would you say that? Has Rane quality gone downhill?

AKIEM 11:56 PM - 18 September, 2017

We don't know yet, but they were purchased and will be made in Taiwan. And I bet the pitch fader is on a pc board with the rest of the buttons

NUdisc0 12:01 AM - 19 September, 2017

Taiwan? Umm...it is better than China. If not made in the US, then it will be a deal breaker for me. To me, Rane=made in USA. If made in Taiwan, then that's a Numark... :(

AKIEM 12:06 AM - 19 September, 2017

www.inmusicbrands.com

NUdisc0 12:18 AM - 19 September, 2017

I knew about that unfortunate event. Denon dj too and they have kept the quality high. I can only hope Rane will not lose its reputation like Nunark did. Numark used to be good before they were bought.

Rebelguy 1:47 AM - 19 September, 2017

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I knew about that unfortunate event. Denon dj too and they have kept the quality high. I can only hope Rane will not lose its reputation like Nunark did. Numark used to be good before they were bought.

It seems like you were headed for a lot of disappointment. Denon Quality has gone downhill since the switch in ownership. There are a lot of complaints over their new products.

What is your plan if you don't play up the Rane decks. There are currently no DJ products made in the USA.

NUdisc0 2:57 AM - 19 September, 2017

Denon has had problems. I see no evidenve thst the quality is worse now than 20 years ago.

'll just wait and see if the twelve is any good. After people start using it. And get it if it has had no major reported problems.
I have always equated Rane with Made in the USA and with great products.

dj_soo 4:54 AM - 19 September, 2017

The 62 was made in the US and we've had problems with:

- first wave of buttons not being responsive/being pushed into the unit
- first round of mag faders cracking and magnet falling out
- second round of mag faders cracking and the bracket falling out
- plastic knob stems getting very loose after long term use
- poor driver support - especially after el capitan launched

Asia can have quality manufacturing. It all just depends on where they go.

Apple manufactures all their stuff in China and they are reknowned for quality build.

Pioneer manufactures their stuff in malaysia and while they've had issues, most of their gear is considered solid in terms of build.

Denon has always been pretty good quality-wise - their biggest failing has always been software and firmware support.

After my experience with the 62 - which wasn't terrible, but not as indestructable as the old 57 - I'm not going to immediately think something is superior just because it's manufactured in the states. Rane's best quality was always support anyway and that's something that remains to be seen if InMusic will even come close to that same level.

NUdisc0 7:34 PM - 19 September, 2017

Of course. And I like stuff made in Japan too. The Pio stuff is OK. But I like Rane making stuff in the US. Numark before it got bought used to manufacture their mixers in NY.

HighTopFade 5:17 PM - 20 September, 2017

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first round of mag faders cracking and magnet falling out

Were these issues solved with the release of the V2 faders? The ones with the clear carriers? Thanks.

dj_soo 6:40 PM - 20 September, 2017

clear carriers have another problem with the plastic cracking and the bracket falling out.

Apparently they have new carriers based on the new mag 3 fader for the 72 that's coming out or already out.

John Calipari 6:19 PM - 21 September, 2017

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I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.

1200 Pitch fader, may have technically been user replaceable, but from what I remember, Technics/Panasonic sure as hell didn't make it easy, at least for the MK2 & MK3D. You definitely had to keep your wits about you when changing them or the pop-up-light.

DJ Irv 12:28 PM - 22 September, 2017

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1200 Pitch fader, may have technically been user replaceable, but from what I remember, Technics/Panasonic sure as hell didn't make it easy, at least for the MK2 & MK3D. You definitely had to keep your wits about you when changing them or the pop-up-light.

I've done a bunch of these (pitch fader). It requires soldering but, as far as soldering is concerned it's pretty easy. The pop-up isn't difficult either but, if you let the wires cross the 1200 will almost always fry itself. It's pretty common to see fried 1200s because of a botched pop-up light job.

NUdisc0 7:21 AM - 23 September, 2017

I wish someone should make an aftermarket conductive plastic sider for the mk2. Servicing a 1200 mk2 is pretty simple.

John Calipari 1:23 AM - 24 September, 2017

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I wish someone should make an aftermarket conductive plastic sider for the mk2. Servicing a 1200 mk2 is pretty simple.

Yeah but making an omelet is also pretty simple . . . . for some, others are going to end up ripping it on the flip and end of with scrambled eggs w/Cheese & Bacon.

Difference is it's a $500 omelet.

And there isn't one thing I'd change on an MK2. Stock, It's the best deck Technics ever manufactured and the greatest piece of DJ equipment to ever lace'em'up.

NUdisc0 1:41 AM - 24 September, 2017

In case you did not get the memo, fyi, sl-1200s were discontinued. Eventually parts like pitch controls will run out. It would be nice if a company made a replacement-preferable a conductive plastic pot, which would last longer.

DJ Dub Cowboy 5:32 AM - 24 September, 2017

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In case you did not get the memo, fyi, sl-1200s were discontinued. Eventually parts like pitch controls will run out. It would be nice if a company made a replacement-preferable a conductive plastic pot, which would last longer.

SL1200 pitch faders are plentiful...most of the time. Seems like all the crucial parts are still in production. They come in batches. Black tonearms were pretty rare and expensive for the last year but there is a new batch available. I've tracked parts for Technics for the last 10 years. There were times I panicked and stocked up but time has shown that most everything is available....for now.

NUdisc0 6:21 PM - 24 September, 2017

The sl1200 parts have climbed in cost. I have a stock of pitch sliders to maintain my 6x sl1200s. I bought them when they were still reasonably priced.

John Calipari 8:18 PM - 24 September, 2017

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The sl1200 parts have climbed in cost. I have a stock of pitch sliders to maintain my 6x sl1200s. I bought them when they were still reasonably priced.

Have you ever had a Technics 1200MK2 factory installed Pitch Fader wear out & fail on you?

NUdisc0 8:22 PM - 24 September, 2017

Never failed, but i have worn out pitch sliders. Those are carbon pots.

GusGomez 2:49 PM - 29 September, 2017

So I asked Rane what the weight is for the TWELVE and they replied that its 20.5lbs that's definitely lighter than my VL12's which I thought were the lightest TT's out.

AKIEM 8:19 PM - 29 September, 2017

So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)

GusGomez 10:12 PM - 29 September, 2017

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So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)

Lol I kinda like the idea of not carrying needles but I think if weee to get this setup I would definitely have to get the mixer too because of the USB’s in the back

Mr. Goodkat 10:59 PM - 29 September, 2017

lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob

GusGomez 11:22 PM - 29 September, 2017

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lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob

Problem is I tried them before and they suck..also I have a MacBook Pro 2017

the SOUNDINSURGENT 11:26 PM - 29 September, 2017

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lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob

Problem is I tried them before and they suck..also I have a MacBook Pro 2017

Was it a powered hub??

Been using them for years with no problems..

Niro 10:03 AM - 1 October, 2017

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So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)

Arent 12's 27 pounds.

NUdisc0 12:33 PM - 1 October, 2017

I think 27.5 lbs with lid and 24.25 lbs without lid.

lvmez 9:16 PM - 26 October, 2017

I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

Illiment 6:43 PM - 30 October, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Mr. Goodkat 6:46 PM - 30 October, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

dmc contest

Illiment 6:52 PM - 30 October, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

dmc contest

True

Djkom 9:40 PM - 30 October, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

When you realize what is good marketing...we can tell everything over Pioneer, but when they announce a new product, the release date comes a few days after...

Serato partnerships make freaking delays in products launch !

Rane could have, at least, demoed the Rane 72 in standalone/mixer mode with on board effects and the new faders/crossfader but it's not the case so I guess nothing is on point right now and we will have to wait for sure till early 2018...

WarpNote 12:38 PM - 1 November, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

GusGomez 12:44 PM - 1 November, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.

WarpNote 12:56 PM - 1 November, 2017

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this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72

Well, I might.. (I have the S9, ltd gold ed, a Rane 62 and a DJM-900SRT)
I also have friends saying the same.

Some issues with the S9 is are the non stackable/layerable fx and no unique pad mode for each side. Also, from my experience, I prefer the sound of Rane over Pioneer.

Also considering the Rane 12s as I am fed up with bass feedback, bad tone arms etc.

But, yeah I do agree that the "marketing move" is not necessary a good one. :-)

Rebelguy 1:00 PM - 1 November, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.

Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.

GusGomez 1:06 PM - 1 November, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.

Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.

Correct but the common factor there is u get a date it’ll be available in November xx or December xx Rane said sometime in the Fall now it’s sometime in 2018 wth kind of strategy is that? And by the way you mean to tell me they haven’t build not one 72 or Twelve to be able to do a demo with? This is the industry of now which means u better launch soon because come January I have a feeling pio is coming with a new mixer and Possibly the PLX mk II will be something like the Twelves

Illiment 1:50 PM - 1 November, 2017

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Also considering the Rane 12s as I am fed up with bass feedback, bad tone arms etc.

But, yeah I do agree that the "marketing move" is not necessary a good one. :-)

I still have my 62 and now that i'm over the novelty of the s9, i'm noticing the sound quality difference for sure. The fader and pads are really the only things keeping me using it most of the time over the 62. I'm def considering swapping the s9 for the 72. And I seem to be a magnet for dirty needles f'ing up my mixes at the worst possible times. I can't wait for the 12's and 72 to drop. Or at least have a demo video out so we can see what's really good with them. Hurry the hell up Rane!!!

djcrap 2:51 PM - 1 November, 2017

Quote:

I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.

Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.

I think its a great strategy in away that it gives the company to get the product right based on reviews and criticism of what was missed. Customer popular/ or expected wants on the hardware. So with enough time delay of the launch like how rane is doing it you never know there may be some changes on the 72 and the rane 12

J.J. 6:04 PM - 1 November, 2017

Numark (inMusic, same owner of RANE) announced the NS7ii in January 2013 at NAMM. It wasn't released until 10 months later in October. Numark didn't have anything like it on the market and it would hurt sales from the competition because customers would wait to purchase.

However, it was different from the NS7iii when announced in January 2015. They had to give dealers time to sale out their current inventory of the similar old product. The same reason apple was still advertising the latest iPhone 7 just two months ago in September. Even though we all knew the next iPhone was going to be announced September 12th.

If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice. For instance, Apple announced the iMac Pro in June of this year, but it won't be released until December. Because it's technically a different product than a regular iMac, it shouldn't undercut sales of their current iMac.

Mr. Goodkat 6:11 PM - 1 November, 2017

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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.

but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

GusGomez 6:17 PM - 1 November, 2017

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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.

but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

Correct...Their competition is Pioneer who has the whole market on lock whether people want to admitted or not...Pioneer is putting that work in just now they announced yet another update to RekordboxDJ it seems like every few weeks they have a new update or announce a new product every other month their giving DJs options. I have a feeling they got something similar to the TWELVE's coming watch.

Mr. Goodkat 6:25 PM - 1 November, 2017

Quote:

If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.

but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

Correct...Their competition is Pioneer who has the whole market on lock whether people want to admitted or not...Pioneer is putting that work in just now they announced yet another update to RekordboxDJ it seems like every few weeks they have a new update or announce a new product every other month their giving DJs options. I have a feeling they got something similar to the TWELVE's coming watch.

except it will be 2000$

GusGomez 6:36 PM - 1 November, 2017

except it will be 2000$
LMAO! Now that you know it's true LOL!

J.J. 6:49 PM - 1 November, 2017

Quote:

If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.

but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

Umm... Deja Vu (same point)

If Pioneer would have released a MIDI Turntable years ago, I would have been all over it. They decided to come out with a Super OEM Hanpin and offered nothing new.

lvmez 1:00 AM - 29 November, 2017

www.instagram.com

www.instagram.com

Finally some videos!! I am impressed.

GusGomez 1:06 AM - 29 November, 2017

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www.instagram.com

www.instagram.com

Finally some videos!! I am impressed.

They look dope! A little too late for me though I already purchased the Denon setup Turntables and SC5000 lol

DJ Unique 1:27 AM - 29 November, 2017

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www.instagram.com

www.instagram.com

Finally some videos!! I am impressed.

Very nice

Chino 2:41 AM - 29 November, 2017

I definitely like the wave form display on the mixer. I'm also interested to see how well the 72 switches from the wave form display to the x/y efx touch screen. It needs to be seemless with no freezes, audio drop outs etc.

I also wonder how RANE is handling latency? Are there USB 3.0 ports on the Twelve & 72?

Rebelguy 3:52 AM - 29 November, 2017

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I definitely like the wave form display on the mixer. I'm also interested to see how well the 72 switches from the wave form display to the x/y efx touch screen. It needs to be seemless with no freezes, audio drop outs etc.

I also wonder how RANE is handling latency? Are there USB 3.0 ports on the Twelve & 72?

USB 2.0 is more than capable if they write good drivers.

J.J. 4:35 AM - 29 November, 2017

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USB 2.0 is more than capable if they write good drivers.

Remember when Serato would write the drivers for Rane for Scratch Live? People were upset because they couldn't use other audio programs at the same time.

I miss the stable days.

Chino 7:15 AM - 29 November, 2017

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USB 2.0 is more than capable if they write good drivers

I agree. My concern is that inMusic Brand doesn't have a great track record with software and drivers.

Personally, I would prefer that Serato write specific drivers for the 72.

This is an excellent opportunity for Serato & Rane to work together to bring back the stability, reliability & rock solid performance.

Illiment 4:36 PM - 30 November, 2017

Damn, FINALLY. I can't wait for these. Dusty needles have plagued my entire dj existence. Strongly considering ditching the s9 for the 72 as well.

J.J. 5:29 PM - 30 November, 2017

Illiment gets it. I will always love vinyl. But because I'm a wannabe battle DJ, I've ruined precious vinyl and needles.

Taipanic 7:36 PM - 30 November, 2017

I'm a blender but it's just not the same without moving platters, why I've always been a Denon fan. Hoping there will be a non-battlestyle configuration at some point. No reason for the pitch control to be at the back of the deck for me, especially as there is no tonearm anymore.

Robbie O 7:39 PM - 30 November, 2017

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I'm a blender but it's just not the same without moving platters, why I've always been a Denon fan. Hoping there will be a non-battlestyle configuration at some point. No reason for the pitch control to be at the back of the deck for me, especially as there is no tonearm anymore.

You can’t rotate it? It would be weird for battle Dj’s to have the pitch the other way around thou

Gio Alex 8:34 PM - 30 November, 2017

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You can’t rotate it?

Due to where the power cabling is and other factors, not really. Doesn't make sense since there's no tonearm like Taipanic mentioned.

DJ Barticus 10:22 PM - 30 November, 2017

it uses standard IEC power and USB B connectors. you can find 90 degree cables for both if you really want to rotate

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You can’t rotate it?

Due to where the power cabling is and other factors, not really. Doesn't make sense since there's no tonearm like Taipanic mentioned.

Gio Alex 10:53 PM - 30 November, 2017

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it uses standard IEC power and USB B connectors. you can find 90 degree cables for both if you really want to rotate

It will not sit flush though and will stick out since the socket is not recessed. or underneath the deck.

In terms of the power socket...This would've been a better design:
www.planetdj.com

Rather than this:
cdn.digitaldjtips.com

Mr. Goodkat 10:57 PM - 30 November, 2017

if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.

i see ppl playing with turntable or cdj on the outer side of each other all the time. thats at least +- 12 inches, surely you can be fine with 2. they make 90 degree power cords and usb cables

Robbie O 1:37 AM - 1 December, 2017

This controller ain’t for you then fam.
#cantpleaseEverybody

DJ Reflex 2:59 AM - 1 December, 2017

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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.

Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?

HK1200 3:04 AM - 1 December, 2017

This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

DJ Val-BKNY11203 3:19 AM - 1 December, 2017

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This controller ain’t for you then fam.
#cantpleaseEverybody

Exactly

Gio Alex 5:30 PM - 1 December, 2017

At the end of the day i really couldn't give two shits to be honest. It's just a discussion. I still cash nice checks with two tech 1200s and a nice mixer. I'm not the type to buy new things just cuz- new toys make absolutely no difference at all in my world. Shrugs.

With all that said, new shit is good for business though. So if it's giving people jobs and generating money then so be it.

Mr. Goodkat 5:48 PM - 1 December, 2017

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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.

Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?

thats one thing i could see, but taking it out of a case shouldnt be a huge issue.

but liike i said why would 1 inch make a difference in a live situation if you arent a turntablist?

people mix with 4 cdjs or use tts either inside or outside other cdjs or tts in live situations all the time. thats a much larger distance than the required cabling with a Twelve using a 90 degree power cord.

Gio Alex 5:57 PM - 1 December, 2017

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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.

Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?

I'm a stickler for aesthetics, presentation, and possibly very slightly ocd about gaps/layouts so little things like this that make no sense to some people would actually annoy me... so i totally understand your point.

My TTS, and mixer at home are perfectly lined up, no exposed cables... but that's just me though. maybe it's my design background that make me anal retentive about things being "perfectly" aligned/laid out.

HK1200 9:50 PM - 1 December, 2017

A little foam, trimmed to size, and any gaps between the 12 and case should be easily resolved.

Then again, if you're spending 4 or 5 grand on a 72 and a pair of Twelves what's a few hundred more for some new custom fit flight cases or a coffin? I'm sure Pellican/Oddesey/etc will eventually offer them, assuming the Twelve isn't a commercial flop.

THEE_Dj 2:50 PM - 5 December, 2017

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This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.

GusGomez 2:57 PM - 5 December, 2017

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This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.

Portability the NS7 is a tank you could take one of these and a mixer and your laptop and you good to go

DJ Marv the Maverick 3:06 PM - 5 December, 2017

@Thee_DJ valid points but folks always want the latest and greatest.

@gusgomez two 12 inch platter and a full size mixer is less portable than the NS7/// no? I've never owned the NS7 but played on the MK1 many years back.

When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.

From a business perspective i wonder how well it Will work with other software especially the platter.

HK1200 3:14 PM - 5 December, 2017

12" platters.
Completely modular.
Has everything you need and nothing you don't.
Rane, not Numark garbage (though all under the inmusic umbrella now, so we shall see if that still holds true)

There are reasons.

Illiment 3:57 PM - 5 December, 2017

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12" platters.
Completely modular.
Has everything you need and nothing you don't.
Rane, not Numark garbage (though all under the inmusic umbrella now, so we shall see if that still holds true)

There are reasons.

Boom.

These obviously aren't for everyone, I find it strange that people want to nitpick over issues that these products clearly aren't geared towards in the first place. If you're a semi-hardcore to hardcore tablist/scratch dj this should answer most if not all of your prayers. No needle dust, no vibration, ultra pitch capabiliies, rock solid digital pitch for mixing, ability to put any size record on the platters, and more. I can't tell you how many times dirty needles/tonearms and random pitch fluctuations have killed my vibe. These days believe it or not i'd prefer my ddj sz2 to play any given party because I can mix a million times quicker, I never have to worry about the control vinyl running out and going into internal at the WORST possible time, then having to waste precious seconds to react and reset. Also hands up if a dusty needle right at the end of the control vinyl ever slipped into internal mode at -50% or some random weird pitch and totally wrecked your set?

As for build quality, call me a fanboy but anything with a Rane logo that I've ever owned in 20 years of djing has never let me down once. NOT ONE TIME. I don't expect that to change. I'm super optimistic about the 12 + 72 and for damn sure will be copping once they drop.

Chino 4:04 PM - 5 December, 2017

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When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.

I'm not sure if this question has been answered already but is the RANE 72 mixer standalone? Meaning- can I hook up a pair of 1200s to it and just play out with vinyl?

Illiment 4:10 PM - 5 December, 2017

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These days believe it or not i'd prefer my ddj sz2 to play any given party because I can mix a million times quicker, I never have to worry about the control vinyl running out and going into internal at the WORST possible time, then having to waste precious seconds to react and reset.

I forgot to add that the only drawback I find with the sz is that I can't cut on it like I can on turntables obviously. Now guess what, I'll be able to with the 12's. Whatever portability issues people wanna complain about, for me are mitigated by the fact that I should be able to perform to my fullest potential at any given time without worrying about stupid technical things going wrong.

Illiment 4:13 PM - 5 December, 2017

what other software (s) are you guys using regularly in addition to SDJ? Why would you even, isn't that inviting more problems into your life having to maintain two separate setups? I'd assume most of you are here because you primarily use SDJ no?

GusGomez 4:18 PM - 5 December, 2017

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@Thee_DJ valid points but folks always want the latest and greatest.

@gusgomez two 12 inch platter and a full size mixer is less portable than the NS7/// no? I've never owned the NS7 but played on the MK1 many years back.

But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...for example when I play in the radio station there’s no space for a mixer and two turntables or two CDJs so I take my Denon X1800 and one SC5000 and control both decks on one side with the TWELVE it would be the same situation

Gio Alex 4:21 PM - 5 December, 2017

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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...

Like on a V7 lol

GusGomez 4:23 PM - 5 December, 2017

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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...

Like on a V7 lol

Correct like the V7 but again I had the NS7 II and the NS7III and traded them in because of how heavy they were to carry from gig to gig the NS7 is heavy by itself and then u add a case to that it becomes massive

Robbie O 4:27 PM - 5 December, 2017

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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...

Like on a V7 lol

It’s a valid point, the NS7 & especially the V7 never got caught the acceptance from the turnablist group that it should’ve. Maybe 7” was too toyish or maybe it was numark not being associated w quality 🤷🏿‍♂️.

NS7 with an innofader was quality

GusGomez 4:32 PM - 5 December, 2017

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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...

Like on a V7 lol

It’s a valid point, the NS7 & especially the V7 never got caught the acceptance from the turnablist group that it should’ve. Maybe 7” was too toyish or maybe it was numark not being associated w quality 🤷🏿‍♂️.

NS7 with an innofader was quality

I also think the V7 was ahead of its time DJ’s I think weren’t ready to trust that product now its a different scene as much as I love turntables CDJs are Kings right now but the TWELVEs might change that although I doubt it my SC5000s are so much easier to lug around then my VL12’s that I don’t see me taking out my VL12’s unless it’s a special event or if I just feel like using TTS that particular day

WildcardX 5:22 PM - 5 December, 2017

So no one else is thinking along the lines, just like they took AKAI MPD pads *(AKAI also being under the InMusic umbrella) and put it to the NS7 II and III that they will take the same, now refined tech, used in that NS7 Controller as well and apply it to the Rane Twelve (and by Extension the Seventy-Two which has AKAI MPD pads)?

Gio Alex 5:38 PM - 5 December, 2017

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I also think the V7 was ahead of its time DJ’s I think weren’t ready to trust that product now its a different scene as much as I love turntables CDJs are Kings right now

I think this is what it really comes down to. Denon had motorized platters too and people didn't get with it as much as anticipated or expected. The majority just love their static platters, and weren't ready.

Even now you see venues with fully functioning TTs and the fly-by-nights use them as a giant drink coaster.

Mr. Goodkat 6:01 PM - 5 December, 2017

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Even now you see venues with fully functioning TTs and the fly-by-nights use them as a giant drink coaster.

major pet peeve

DJ Marv the Maverick 6:54 PM - 5 December, 2017

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When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.

I'm not sure if this question has been answered already but is the RANE 72 mixer standalone? Meaning- can I hook up a pair of 1200s to it and just play out with vinyl?

I'm sure it's battle mixer any day ie like 62 57 S9 etc.

I reminded the guys over at Denon not to forget to include bpm detect for the phone/rca sources.

The 62 and 64 didn't have it.

Gio Alex 8:21 PM - 5 December, 2017

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Even now you see venues with fully functioning TTs and the fly-by-nights use them as a giant drink coaster.

major pet peeve

Same here man

dj_soo 9:54 PM - 5 December, 2017

I'm more excited about the 72 than the twelves. The 72 is everything I wanted the S9 to be and more and will definitely be upgrading to the 72 given good reviews, but the twelves would be more of a wish-list thing. I would love to see twelves become a standard install in clubs tho, as I've had my fair share of poorly maintained turntables or poorly isolated dj booths in my time. The serato-only nature might be problematic in encouraging installs tho. If they could get both the 72 and the Twelves licensed with Traktor as well, it would probably be to their benefit.

In the meantime, I'm happy enough using my turntables at home and my Denon SC3900s for mobile gigs.

J.J. 12:08 AM - 6 December, 2017

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I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

If it similar to the MP2015 guts that Fred from Rane says it has, it will be one phenomenal analog mixer.

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I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.

The NS7 is a MIDI only controller and cannot be used without a computer. The 72 battle mixer has been through far more iterations. The screen is new but it has taking the engineers who developed the NS7iii screens to work on the 72.

The NS7 pales in comparison to the 72 and a Twelve. Although I own and use the NS7ii daily, it has huge flaws. It is not a true battle mixer and the upfaders are horribly laid out as they are bunched together. The 72 dual sound card slaughters Numark. The 72 has onboard dual effects engines. 3 MAG THREE faders! Better layout (ergonomics). The load scroll isn't next to the master out. Control X-Y effects with the built in screen. The filters can be adjusted and are external. It has Echo on Mic 1. Foot-switch. 2 USB controller inputs. Reversible die cast aluminum FX paddles. etc.

2x4nyc 11:46 PM - 7 December, 2017

So my question is why is this media player such a secret in terms of why isn't Rane allowing several live dj's demo the unit so maybe buyers can decide if they want to invest in them... If their is a video out there showing a Dj using them I can't find it... smh ;-(

popnwave 11:56 PM - 7 December, 2017

Considering there isn't a version of Serato out that supports it publicly is probably why. Since they aren't true TTs it's not like you can slap a record on top and see how they sound and feel.

HK1200 12:14 AM - 8 December, 2017

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So my question is why is this media player such a secret in terms of why isn't Rane allowing several live dj's demo the unit so maybe buyers can decide if they want to invest in them... If their is a video out there showing a Dj using them I can't find it... smh ;-(

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www.instagram.com

www.instagram.com

Finally some videos!! I am impressed.

THEE_Dj 4:18 PM - 8 December, 2017

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I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

If it similar to the MP2015 guts that Fred from Rane says it has, it will be one phenomenal analog mixer.

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I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.

The NS7 is a MIDI only controller and cannot be used without a computer. The 72 battle mixer has been through far more iterations. The screen is new but it has taking the engineers who developed the NS7iii screens to work on the 72.

The NS7 pales in comparison to the 72 and a Twelve. Although I own and use the NS7ii daily, it has huge flaws. It is not a true battle mixer and the upfaders are horribly laid out as they are bunched together. The 72 dual sound card slaughters Numark. The 72 has onboard dual effects engines. 3 MAG THREE faders! Better layout (ergonomics). The load scroll isn't next to the master out. Control X-Y effects with the built in screen. The filters can be adjusted and are external. It has Echo on Mic 1. Foot-switch. 2 USB controller inputs. Reversible die cast aluminum FX paddles. etc.

The 72 will by far be better than the mixer on the NS7III i'm sure. That said, there IS a difference even in audio quality between the II and III. That's not what I was talking about. What I'm talking about is the Twelve ITSELF. It's $800. So ONE of these and the 72 will run you almost $3k. You can get TWO NS7iii's for that price. My gripe is that ONE twelve costs $800. It's the same gripe I had with the Denon SC3900's being $800. That's too much money for ONE. UNO. At least the SC3900's had the option to play without a PC via the USB port OR you could throw CD's into them and play that way. What I'm saying is for something that can ONLY be use digitally. ONLY digital. No backup audio source. Doesn't play off of a USB. Doesn't play CD's. ONLY digitally. $800 is a HIGH sticker price. For something that basically is a less functional Reloop 8000 MK2......but $100 more. You get what I'm saying?

My gripe is the cost for very minimal features. You get what I'm saying?

Chino 5:05 PM - 8 December, 2017

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My gripe is the cost for very minimal features

Good point. I own a pair of 3900s so I definitely appreciate their value & flexibility. The RANE Twelve is a $800 MIDI controller with no standalone features.

BUT, in all fairness- the RANE Twelve is being aimed at turntablists as an update for the legendary Technics 1200s. No more breaking needles, hitting the tone arm, control vinyl or dust to worry about. No issues with strong gusts of wind at outdoor events. I also see the value in the Rane 12.

In the end, it's all subjective & personal preference.

Personally, I'm more concerned about whether inMusic Brand is going to be able to continue RANE's tradition of excellent build quality & customer service.

Robbie O 6:48 PM - 8 December, 2017

Think the point the NS7/V7 ppl are saying is basically the 12 by itself is a glorified V7...

More i think about it, Rane has made a very smart move by releasing the 12 w the 72. The 12s will ride on the waves of the 72.

dj_soo 8:00 PM - 8 December, 2017

I feel like I'd the twelve were more like the V7 - but allowed you to select between using the unit as the serato sound card like the V7 or selecting the 72 (or whatever) it would be a better option than what it is now - which is purely a midi controller that still needs a serato box/mixer.

The best guest complaint about the v7 was you couldn't use it purely as a midi controller and we're forced to use it as the primary serato device even if you were connecting it to a 62 or something

Regardless, I'm interested in trying out the Twelves - probably not that interested in purchasing a pair at full price tho unless that $800 ea is msrp and comes down in retail.

Mr. Goodkat 8:10 PM - 8 December, 2017

surely 800 will be 700 or 750.

yeah, things are getting too expensive, but when have they not been?

getting good deals on any dj equipment is almost impossible these days

DJ Barticus 8:15 PM - 8 December, 2017

IF the high price/limited features of the Twelve translates to quality and reliability it's worth it. I'd rather buy something that does a few things very well than something that tries to do everything just to have a long feature list.

CMOS 10:16 PM - 8 December, 2017

You dont need the 72 to use the 12s.

Keep seeing everyone saying the price of the 72 and the 12s. Hell you can use 1 and switch back and forth between decks.

popnwave 10:49 PM - 8 December, 2017

Instant doubles ftw.

J.J. 1:27 AM - 9 December, 2017

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My gripe is the cost for very minimal features. You get what I'm saying?

I get what your saying, but I can't remember the last time I used a CD or USB in the Denon SC3900.

Rane announced what I asked for. A cheap (compared to a outdated $2K CDJ) solid 12" Direct Drive MIDI Turntable. Turn it ON and forget about it. Keep it low cost with no screen or internal player. When Denon releases a 9" DD version of the SC5000, it's going to retail for $2,000. Why, because of the extra hardware, audio card and software to run a custom Android O/S.

MPC O.G. 1:54 AM - 9 December, 2017

I'm going to say what I always say in these debates. If it was cheaply made, with no moving parts, and DJ Suchandsuch used it, and it had Pioneer on it, snd it cost $2,200 for one of them you'd be pawning your dead grandmother's wedding ring to get TWO of them.

DJ Marv the Maverick 8:45 AM - 9 December, 2017

It's an OSA that cost 800 a pop.

800 a pair is the sweet spot to me.

If it comes out to be buggy or something at 1600 a pair MSRP the complaint thread will be as long the Nile.

It's not like it's some new/ground breaking technology or something

The 3900 and Numarks already had the motorised jogs.

Must be the Serato Tax

AKIEM 5:17 AM - 10 December, 2017

The TWELVE has been asked for from Rane exactly as is for years. Rane couldn't do it then, now 'they' can. The price is the price.

Instant doubles ftw, so I only need one. I might skip the 72 because the 57 is fine. I might get a second 12 for studio, def never lugging two around regularly.

lvmez 3:04 PM - 10 December, 2017

Everyone is talking about the price. Rane is still cheaper than Pioneer products and they hold there value a lot more.

The Seventy Two can probably be had for $1600 and the Twelve for $600.

I will be getting one Twelve. That's all you need.

Chino 5:38 PM - 10 December, 2017

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The Seventy Two can probably be had for $1600 and the Twelve for $600.

I hope your right. I contacted my local RANE dealer. He was in touch with his RANE rep who said that the RANE 12 & 72 will not be out until mid March - early April. A lot can change regarding price & features during that time.

I definitely trust my Rane dealer over the dates that are being posted on line by retailers. They will say/do anything for a pre-order!

lvmez 9:50 PM - 10 December, 2017

March/ April????????

That will drive consumers crazy!! That's bad news.

dj_soo 10:00 PM - 10 December, 2017

Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

MPC O.G. 11:15 PM - 10 December, 2017

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March/ April????????

That will drive consumers crazy!! That's bad news.

Waiting for the next version of Serato to be finalized.

Chino 2:04 PM - 11 December, 2017

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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

+1

WarpNote 3:20 PM - 11 December, 2017

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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

This!

Illiment 3:35 PM - 11 December, 2017

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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

not mad at that. Also gives time to stack them rupees (corny zelda botw reference)

THEE_Dj 5:44 PM - 11 December, 2017

You don't need the 72 SPECIFICALLY with the 12. BUT, notice the 72 doesn't have audio out. It's ONLY USB(unless there are audio outs on the bottom like actual 1200's). So that means you'd need a serato enabled mixer to get any audio output to a mixer OR an audio box. So you're looking at what....minimum of $500 for the least expensive serato mixer being the S3 or about the same for a Denon DS1 and a decent mixer. So you're still at $1300 for ONE 12 and a way to get audio out from serato. You want me to pay $800 for a SINGLE Rane 12.....then on top of that you're pigeon holing me into spending at least another $500 for a mixer. Which at $1300 I, again, might as well get the NS7iii.

You get what I'm saying? Yes....alone it's like "oh, I can get one of these and a $250 mixer and be SET". Then you realize....wait.....no I can't....I'm going to have to spend at least another $500 regardless. Even if you get a used sixty-one you're still looking at about $600. Which....doesn't have any FX built in. Is only a 2 channel mixer. No cue points.....at that price, you're better off getting the Mixars Duo or the S3.

DJ Tecniq 8:07 PM - 11 December, 2017

Jesus i thought i stopped tracking this thread. It won’t be out till late next year so I’m tired of hearing about it.

Mr. Goodkat 8:12 PM - 11 December, 2017

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You don't need the 72 SPECIFICALLY with the 12. BUT, notice the 72 doesn't have audio out. It's ONLY USB(unless there are audio outs on the bottom like actual 1200's). So that means you'd need a serato enabled mixer to get any audio output to a mixer OR an audio box. So you're looking at what....minimum of $500 for the least expensive serato mixer being the S3 or about the same for a Denon DS1 and a decent mixer. So you're still at $1300 for ONE 12 and a way to get audio out from serato. You want me to pay $800 for a SINGLE Rane 12.....then on top of that you're pigeon holing me into spending at least another $500 for a mixer. Which at $1300 I, again, might as well get the NS7iii.

You get what I'm saying? Yes....alone it's like "oh, I can get one of these and a $250 mixer and be SET". Then you realize....wait.....no I can't....I'm going to have to spend at least another $500 regardless. Even if you get a used sixty-one you're still looking at about $600. Which....doesn't have any FX built in. Is only a 2 channel mixer. No cue points.....at that price, you're better off getting the Mixars Duo or the S3.

prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about

THEE_Dj 8:48 PM - 11 December, 2017

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prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about

No I agree, you can connect them via usb. Yes. But where does the audio from your computer then go out? Unless you're using an audio box or have a serato enabled mixer with USB audio out, your audio will play through your speakers on your laptop. You get what I'm saying?

popnwave 9:13 PM - 11 December, 2017

What do you mean it doesn't have audio out? It has all the normal audio outputs of mixers in that range...

www.agiprodj.com

Main out XLRs, booth in 1/4" and RCA the rest of the way...

Djkom 9:21 PM - 11 December, 2017

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What do you mean it doesn't have audio out? It has all the normal audio outputs of mixers in that range...

www.agiprodj.com

Main out XLRs, booth in 1/4" and RCA the rest of the way...

It was about the Rane 12" ;-)

popnwave 9:22 PM - 11 December, 2017

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It was about the Rane 12" ;-)

Gotcha, I figured that was assumed since there's no sound to output from it, lol..

Rebelguy 11:32 PM - 11 December, 2017

Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

djcrap 3:21 AM - 12 December, 2017

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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

Probably the op wants to use it with an sl4

dj_soo 6:28 AM - 12 December, 2017

it won't even output timecode - it'll just send midi signals to the computer.

Rebelguy 4:26 PM - 12 December, 2017

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it won't even output timecode - it'll just send midi signals to the computer.

That’s what I was originally going to say but my brain was in processing correctly when I typed my response.

THEE_Dj 5:56 PM - 12 December, 2017

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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.

THEE_Dj 6:02 PM - 12 December, 2017

In my post earlier I talked about how these are watered down versions of the V7/S3700/SC3900/NS7(1, 2, and 3) for a higher price. (I'm talking as far as features, we're not talking build quality which we don't know yet, Rane has never made a turntable. Mixers yes. But not turntables. Not even controllers). I mentioned them not being worth the money since you'd have to buy one of these AND the 72.

Several have mentioned (both in response to my post and higher up in the post) that you don't need the 72. I'm pointing out that yes, you don't need a 72, but you WILL need a serato enabled MIDI mixer OR a SL box and a standard mixer (which together will run you the same price). Furthering my point of the cost vs features argument I was making. These have no audio out which REQUIRES you to have a midi mixer

CMOS 6:34 PM - 12 December, 2017

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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.

You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.

Mr. Goodkat 8:33 PM - 12 December, 2017

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prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about

No I agree, you can connect them via usb. Yes. But where does the audio from your computer then go out? Unless you're using an audio box or have a serato enabled mixer with USB audio out, your audio will play through your speakers on your laptop. You get what I'm saying?

wut.are.u.taking.about.

THEE_Dj 9:27 PM - 12 December, 2017

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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.

You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.

But....it IS a controller. And the price point/usability is awfully high. Here's what I'm saying. Right now, you can take 1 V7, plug the USB into your computer, plug the audio outs into ANY mixer (could be a $99 stanton mixer) and control Serato. Even brand new, that setup would cost you $900. Not cheap. Same thing with the S3700/SC3900 by Denon. With the Twelve, you pay $800 for it, then you HAVE to pay at MINIMUM another $300 for an Audio box if you get the Denon one, THEN even if you get a $99 mixer, your total price ends up being $1200 for SIGNIFICANTLY less usability.

Anyone I know who has 1200's says they would prefer to have 2 (1 is just never a good idea. never know what can happen. 1 may not want to connect properly, may have issues with the motor, etc). So, say you have a mabook air. You can't even hook 2 up with a SL box or Serato enabled mixer without a USB Hub. You'd need to use both USB ports for the 12's then get a USB HUB to use for your SL box or your midi enabled mixer. With the V7's you only needed 1 and didn't even need a serato enabled mixer because the V7 activates serato AND has audio out. Then you'd still have 1 USB port free.

Bottom line is this: For $800, there's no way they can convince me they couldn't add NORMAL features that come on ANY controller (because again...that's what this is) even if it was just RCA outs. Not when Numark has done it. Denon has done it. Theres no reason RANE couldn't have. RCA outs so I could use ANY mixer and not be forced to use a Serato enabled mixer. MINIMUM they could have added that.

Mr. Goodkat 10:20 PM - 12 December, 2017

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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.

You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.

But....it IS a controller. And the price point/usability is awfully high. Here's what I'm saying. Right now, you can take 1 V7, plug the USB into your computer, plug the audio outs into ANY mixer (could be a $99 stanton mixer) and control Serato. Even brand new, that setup would cost you $900. Not cheap. Same thing with the S3700/SC3900 by Denon. With the Twelve, you pay $800 for it, then you HAVE to pay at MINIMUM another $300 for an Audio box if you get the Denon one, THEN even if you get a $99 mixer, your total price ends up being $1200 for SIGNIFICANTLY less usability.

Anyone I know who has 1200's says they would prefer to have 2 (1 is just never a good idea. never know what can happen. 1 may not want to connect properly, may have issues with the motor, etc). So, say you have a mabook air. You can't even hook 2 up with a SL box or Serato enabled mixer without a USB Hub. You'd need to use both USB ports for the 12's then get a USB HUB to use for your SL box or your midi enabled mixer. With the V7's you only needed 1 and didn't even need a serato enabled mixer because the V7 activates serato AND has audio out. Then you'd still have 1 USB port free.

Bottom line is this: For $800, there's no way they can convince me they couldn't add NORMAL features that come on ANY controller (because again...that's what this is) even if it was just RCA outs. Not when Numark has done it. Denon has done it. Theres no reason RANE couldn't have. RCA outs so I could use ANY mixer and not be forced to use a Serato enabled mixer. MINIMUM they could have added that.

just to be clear, your understanding of what goes on inside of a serato based system is about 82.3434 wrong but basically all wrong.

Mr. Goodkat 10:21 PM - 12 December, 2017

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82.3434

82.3434%

dj_soo 10:26 PM - 12 December, 2017

The
base chassis for the Twelve is more than likely a a denon vl12 for the motor and platter so it's not like Rane is developing a turntable from scratch with no previous experience.

I think the biggest problem with the V7 was that you couldn't hook it up to a 62 or s9 and use the mixer as the main sound card so until serato adds that functionality into the software (which doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon), you'd come across the same problem with the Twelve.

I'm still waiting to see if the $800 is msrp or retail as $600 ea would probably be a bit more reasonable (although still pricey for a closed-to-one software midi controller) but who knows?

Maybe we'll see them open it up to napping on other software or see a mixer with the build in standalone ability of an sc5000 that will be compatible with the Twelves?

I'n happy with my sc3900s as of now so I don't see a need to get the Twelves, but I'm still hoping they get widespread use and end up being installed at clubs and festivals.

Mr. Goodkat 10:34 PM - 12 December, 2017

i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?

Mr. Goodkat 10:34 PM - 12 December, 2017

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but does it realistic at all?

is it realistic at all

dj_soo 3:24 AM - 13 December, 2017

Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the feel.

I do agree this is a bit of a risk being a one-platform piece of gear.

Mr. Goodkat 5:30 AM - 13 December, 2017

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Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the feel.

I do agree this is a bit of a risk being a one-platform piece of gear.

not trying to be a jerk, but think about how many didnt switch. i mean how many ppl have you seen switch to tts?

100s or maybe 3-4

dj_soo 5:32 AM - 13 December, 2017

sure, it's all just anecdotal, but compared to even 3 or 4 years ago, there seems like there's more interest in spinning platters just from my time on dj n00b forums.

Whether it's significant or not is up for debate.

Mr. Goodkat 9:46 AM - 13 December, 2017

kinda reminds me of the vinyl thing, selling more than 10 yrs ago but still only 5% of the market

Robbie O 11:47 AM - 13 December, 2017

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Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the fell.

I’ve done this whole thing in reverse. I started on virtual Dj about 10 years ago, serato itch Ns7 about 7 years ago. Switch to turntables year and a half ago.
With the controllers, there is a ceiling that you hit at some point and it gets boring.
I think with the entry to Dj being so low, most start with where the investment is the least. But the serious ones continue to work up the ladder or perfect their controller.

djcrap 12:46 PM - 13 December, 2017

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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?

No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?

Taipanic 4:10 PM - 13 December, 2017

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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?

No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?

All of which has been available since the Denon HS5500s (2007) and continued (and improved upon (mostly)), with the 3700 & 3900. Those decks had spinning platters, ability to use timecode or play track on their own, built in controls for looping, cues, plus on board FX. If Denon's new flagship deck had spinning platters, I would of justified the additional cost & lack of conformity at clubs instead of getting the XDJ1000s I just picked up.
I think these new controllers are cool but not sure I would drop the coin with them being so limited in usability. Watch, Pioneer will come out with a crappier, even more expensive version in a year or two that will read Rekordbox drives and they'll be all the rage...

popnwave 4:22 PM - 13 December, 2017

I really wanted to love the 3900s, the hybrid mode just didn't cut it. Had they been HID with SSL I would have ridden those into the sunset.

Not sure who is to blame for that, but the TWELVE seems to be the first product that hits all of my wants/needs when it comes to compromise between TTs and a pure controller.

Mr. Goodkat 5:24 PM - 13 December, 2017

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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?

No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?

All of which has been available since the Denon HS5500s (2007) and continued (and improved upon (mostly)), with the 3700 & 3900. Those decks had spinning platters, ability to use timecode or play track on their own, built in controls for looping, cues, plus on board FX. If Denon's new flagship deck had spinning platters, I would of justified the additional cost & lack of conformity at clubs instead of getting the XDJ1000s I just picked up.
I think these new controllers are cool but not sure I would drop the coin with them being so limited in usability. Watch, Pioneer will come out with a crappier, even more expensive version in a year or two that will read Rekordbox drives and they'll be all the rage...

exactly. its not that they arent a good idea or a great concept but it has been done before.

And when those came out (the numark HDX, the Denons, or the Numark NS series) there were less options than there are now as far as turntables, cd players, and controllers.

Many people that use turntables for dvs also have CDJS around and in certain circumstances they have people that are also using vinyl. Of course you could have some twelves and some 1200s(or other turntable) but then what about if you have a cdj guy? Your gonna have 3 decks on each side set up? It just doesnt make sense other than a personal setup for a mobile dj.

If it were pioneer, i might give it a chance of making it, but they arent. Not because i like pioneer(havent owned any pioneer products in 2yrs) but they have a larger market share and better marketing team that is better funded.

dj_soo 8:24 PM - 13 December, 2017

Yes this is old tech, but I think timing matters as well.

The hdx/cdx had lots of issues in build as did the sl-dz1000s and came out before there was a standard digital format. DVS also was just hitting it's stride so it seemed wholely unneccesary to spend a bunch on new players when everyone still had their techs and clubs still actually gave a shit about maintaining their techs.

The denon decks were good pieces of hardware, but had issues with standalone playback and Engine was a steaming pile of crap. They also appeared just as pioneer was getting a dominant marketshare. The V7s were cool, but forced users to bypass their mixers in order to use serato and still remains the only module hid controller with spinning platters.

Those also came out just as controllers just started to really gain traction so new djs were going to cheap option while people who wanted to stick to spinning platters just kept using their turntables.

We're at a point where everyone's techs are 6 or 7 years older, club decks have gone through more wear and tear, and many don't bother to maintain them. The emphasis on massive bass in modern music and the optimal setup of sub stacks immediately below or in front of stages is leading to more problematic stage setups is also making turntable use more and more problematic.

Add to that the rising cost of needles and timecode plates and maybe this has a chance to succeed.

I do think they really should be looking at universal compatibility or at least compatibility with traktor (although I guess that's up to NI). Rekordbox too, but I doubt that'll ever happen.

Mr. Goodkat 11:26 PM - 13 December, 2017

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Yes this is old tech, but I think timing matters as well.

The hdx/cdx had lots of issues in build as did the sl-dz1000s and came out before there was a standard digital format. DVS also was just hitting it's stride so it seemed wholely unneccesary to spend a bunch on new players when everyone still had their techs and clubs still actually gave a shit about maintaining their techs.

The denon decks were good pieces of hardware, but had issues with standalone playback and Engine was a steaming pile of crap. They also appeared just as pioneer was getting a dominant marketshare. The V7s were cool, but forced users to bypass their mixers in order to use serato and still remains the only module hid controller with spinning platters.

Those also came out just as controllers just started to really gain traction so new djs were going to cheap option while people who wanted to stick to spinning platters just kept using their turntables.

We're at a point where everyone's techs are 6 or 7 years older, club decks have gone through more wear and tear, and many don't bother to maintain them. The emphasis on massive bass in modern music and the optimal setup of sub stacks immediately below or in front of stages is leading to more problematic stage setups is also making turntable use more and more problematic.

Add to that the rising cost of needles and timecode plates and maybe this has a chance to succeed.

I do think they really should be looking at universal compatibility or at least compatibility with traktor (although I guess that's up to NI). Rekordbox too, but I doubt that'll ever happen.

true and well reasoned.

if universal compatibility was gonna be implemented, i'd have a lot more confidence in their future success. Id say its about 50/50 right now at best.

dj_soo 11:38 PM - 13 December, 2017

I feel like the Turntablist scene and hip hop djs are going to embrace the Twelves. Whether that means that it's enough of a adoption rate to make things work is another story, but I could see the battle scene switching to these wholesale.

Mr. Goodkat 11:44 PM - 13 December, 2017

i think it would be hard to get turntablists off turntables.

with the portablist scene getting big and a lot of those guys being record guys still scratching small run 7'' records it seems like a stretch. Its a traditionalist type scene and i dont see those guys buying into it just on the 'keep it real' type mentality.

DJ Dub Cowboy 8:38 AM - 14 December, 2017

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$600 ea would probably be a bit more reasonable (although still pricey for a closed-to-one software midi controller)

$1200 a pair has a nice ring to it.

THEE_Dj 3:13 PM - 14 December, 2017

It's like people either get completely what I'm saying or they miss the whole point completely lol

My argument is NOT whether they'll be any good. My argument is NOT whether they'll "feel" like real 1200's

My argument is that for the price.....the PRICE......they went EXTREMELY minimalist on features. To not even have RCA's?

I too did it backwards. Started on Virtual DJ with a Denon MC6000. Then moved to a Behringer NOX202 with 2 Denon DN-S3700s and an SL2. Now, I use an NS7 or Turntables depending on the gig. Had these been available years ago, i MAY have considered purchasing them.....MAY....but to release these now....after we've had Numark and Denon make 2 iterations of similar hardware.....that offers VASTLY more features......and you cuoldn't even include RCA out?! That's a hard sell at $1900 for a pair. Like it was stated above. $1200 for a pair would be a sweet spot for these in my opinion. I would be willing to consider forgoing some features to get something that is basically a 1200 without a needle. But at $1600 for the pair? that's too high.

AKIEM 4:32 PM - 14 December, 2017

I'm fine with no RCA/audio. It's good that USB will be dedicated midi instead of both midi and audio. Maybe they add audio in the future.

A USB hub on the deck would be good for plugging in extra midi toys and make it standardisable too.

dj_spark 4:45 PM - 14 December, 2017

I don't understand the issue with the V7 "forcing" people to not use their soundcard.

You can use the V7 with any mixer that have midi pad (DJM T1, NI Z2, etc). If you want to use it with a rane mixer, simply disable the soundcard of the mixer into your OS.

You're making simple things like that so huge for nothing. The V7 is still the best controler of this specie : unlock Serato, integrated soundcard, midi control.

The only bad point is that it doesn't work that good out of Serato software.

If someone is doing the V7 or V10 or a Twelve with a soundcard that can unlock Serato and be used with any software including the rotating plater, it will be the absolute king of all the controler/deck/turntable.

skinnyguy 6:25 PM - 14 December, 2017

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...
No more dealing with

...
Warped vinyls in the sun

...

oh, i'm pretty sure the vinyl on the Twelve will still warp in the sun.

Mr. Goodkat 7:10 PM - 14 December, 2017

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and you cuoldn't even include RCA out?!

They're like turntables w control vinyl that make the pink noise sound(or whatever noise it is). The sound comes from the sound card(serato box) or mixer(w sound card), not the midi controller. other wise they would be even more expensive.

New products tend to cost more because the initial cost of 1st time tooling and manufacturing ala the technics 1200s.

AKIEM 7:18 PM - 14 December, 2017

Yup. I could see that as later development if there is enough want. But that would def add to the price. If you already have an SDJ mixer or box, that extra cost would be expensive for no reason - less units sold.

THEE_Dj 8:52 PM - 14 December, 2017

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and you cuoldn't even include RCA out?!

They're like turntables w control vinyl that make the pink noise sound(or whatever noise it is). The sound comes from the sound card(serato box) or mixer(w sound card), not the midi controller. other wise they would be even more expensive.

New products tend to cost more because the initial cost of 1st time tooling and manufacturing ala the technics 1200s.

Would they have to cost more? The V7's included all of that...sound card build in....fx controls.....crate controls.......bleep......tons of extra featues....for the exact same price. The Denon 3900's did all that......PLUS added the ability to play from CD's or a USB flash drive AND added a digital display....for only $100 more.

Yes the V7's are only 7" platters so I can get them costing less potentially due to needing less material. But the fact that the difference in price between the 7" V7 and the 9" platter on the 3900's is only $100....and the 3900's include even more features......that tells me that they dont HAVE to be $800 for what they are and what they do. I'd be hard pressed to believe that they cost more to manufacture than the 3900's especially considering you're adding a sound card, USB input, a CD player, and a digital display.

popnwave 9:46 PM - 14 December, 2017

You people trying to rationalize the cost compared to those dumb 3900s are chuckleheads. Denon could have made them great with HID, that lame hybdrid mode appealed to a few of you but it was hot garbage. I don't want TIME CONTROL crap unless I am on true TTs.

It's never as tight, I don't want to worry about scopes, it's almost 2018, stop with the worship of old hardware that couldn't do it!

Mr. Goodkat 10:43 PM - 14 December, 2017

im seeing an original msrp at 999 for the V7, dj tech tools says 799.

That was in late 2010.

www.cnet.com

djtechtools.com

AKIEM 3:09 AM - 15 December, 2017

yup

Maybe they should just make a feather weight 7" static version with everything on it for $299.99

Ranelight

Mr. Goodkat 4:16 AM - 15 December, 2017

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yup

Maybe they should just make a feather weight 7" static version with everything on it for $299.99

Ranelight

that'd actually makes the most sense, then you have cd sized moving platters which would have to be bit cheaper. the footprint would/could be the same size as a CDJ

dj_soo 4:58 AM - 15 December, 2017

I'd prefer a 10"

AKIEM 5:50 AM - 15 December, 2017

I forgot make it out of plastic, I was joking. sigh.

THEE_Dj 1:42 PM - 15 December, 2017

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im seeing an original msrp at 999 for the V7, dj tech tools says 799.

That was in late 2010.

www.cnet.com

djtechtools.com

I saw list price of $799 as well from multiple sites where is where i'm getting the price comparison. I never used the 3900s but i did use the 3700s and i LOVED them. I liked them more than the V7/NS7. My biggest gripe with the 3700s was that the vinyl on the platter had "give" in the sense of feeling like the spindle hole wasn't tight. I liked Hybrid MIDI better honestly.

That said...what does any of that have to do with the Twelve being over priced at $799? lol

Robbie O 2:31 PM - 15 December, 2017

Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying

djcrap 3:23 PM - 15 December, 2017

I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.

THEE_Dj 3:54 PM - 15 December, 2017

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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying

The NS7 and NS7II has the same MSRP and they were released...what.....5 years apart right? like 08 and 2013 right? may have been 09 and 2014...something like that. I'm just saying. lol

THEE_Dj 3:59 PM - 15 December, 2017

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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.

Didn't they use a timecode signal and were't HID right? If thats the case, I'd be willing to bet the USB in is for HID and probably has some level of "authentication" to keep you from using OTHER midi controllers (like the V7's lol) with it.

Robbie O 5:09 PM - 15 December, 2017

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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying

The NS7 and NS7II has the same MSRP and they were released...what.....5 years apart right? like 08 and 2013 right? may have been 09 and 2014...something like that. I'm just saying. lol

I'm pretty sure the NS7 and NS7II were not the same STREET price. But to be more exact, prices on the same gear but diff versions either stay flat or increase (if new features) over time, at a minimum due to inflation. Honestly, who cares about MSRP? Arguing over this silly, street price is king.

Sounds like you dont think the twelve MRSP controller is worth it?.... move along. wait for the next one.... shoot get a V7 problem solved. A single controller isn't for everyone. Remember the V7 is discountinued for rea$on

Mr. Goodkat 5:22 PM - 15 December, 2017

this is like a talking to a flat earther

dj_soo 5:42 PM - 15 December, 2017

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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.

It's a hub - it'll work like any usb hub. The proprietary nature of the 72 and Twelves is the ability to switch between laptops along with the decks whereas it might cause issues for other midi devices.

Rebelguy 5:58 PM - 15 December, 2017

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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying

Except when promoters tell us what they want to pay for DJs. SMH.

Chino 10:56 PM - 15 December, 2017

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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.

I'm gonna try this once I get the 72. If it works I will keep my 3900s for mobile gigs.

dj_soo 11:20 PM - 15 December, 2017

it will work - devs have already confirmed it (somewhere, need to find the thread).

The only thing that might be problematic is if you're using two laptops as hot-switching midi devices in serato isn't the best - but it's supposed to work fine with the twelves.

dj_spark 2:57 PM - 16 December, 2017

The usb inputs of the 72 are not meant for Twelves only, they are generic usb hub that's it.

AKIEM 3:17 PM - 16 December, 2017

Hope they add a hub to the Twelve since it can also be plugged straight to the laptop.

dj_soo 6:55 PM - 16 December, 2017

Making the hub on the 72 only work with Twelves would be a monumentally stupid decision. Feels like something pioneer would try to pull...

dj_soo 11:17 PM - 16 December, 2017

I honestly think we might be seeing a standalone mixer from rane sooner or later that's compatible with the Twelves.

The sc5000 processor can already handle 2 discrete audio sources so it would just be a matter of slotting one into a mixer, routing audio to the channels, reading the hid signals from the Twelves and programming it to work with the mixer controls. The SC5000 controls are mostly available on the 72 already.

If it was also compatible with serato, all the better...

Djohn Smoke 6:47 PM - 17 December, 2017

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If this only has the features we all suspect and nothing major on top we might not see right now they shouldn´t be more than 500€ a piece.

For this price i bought real turntable like Reloop 8000s

J.J. 7:22 PM - 18 December, 2017

Unless you use real vinyl:

Twelve MIDI > Real Turntable

MIDI will give you lower latency than a NoiseMap Control Tone on Vinyl or CD.

I don't like cleaning, calibrating, ground & RCA issues & buying new needles and Control Signal Vinyl etc.

It kills me every-time I play vinyl because I know it deteriorates with every play. I'm a procrastinator so I haven't finished converting my vinyl to digital.

dj_soo 10:02 PM - 18 December, 2017

I hope they make the pitch sliders hi-res as well.

Will08272 4:51 PM - 20 December, 2017

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Unless you use real vinyl:

Twelve MIDI > Real Turntable

Im usually against any extreme take but this just makes to much sense. Im all about balance but if there were to be any kind of official count, i feel the scales would tip to the side of never having had to use vinyl while out with DVS versus the occasional use. I wont detract from those that bring up the importance of having the means to play a record if the occasion were to present itself but its the beginning of a 2.0 of sorts with the 12 and the likes.

Mr. Goodkat 9:26 PM - 20 December, 2017

its hard to say its better for a variety of reasons.

that record player, and i personally hate records, think they are overrated and very rarely buy them anymore, will still play records in 10 years.

that twelve probably wont do anything other than maybe control serato. I guess it could maybe control something else, but all or most of the current computer protocols could be completely different.

who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.

WildcardX 9:55 PM - 20 December, 2017

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who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.

Threads would have the subject, "Getting dropouts using my 2017 Macbook Pro with Rane 72 and 12"

or the Ever popular
"Can some one PLEASE get Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve to work with Scratch Live..C'mon Serato."

Mr. Goodkat 10:01 PM - 20 December, 2017

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who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.

Threads would have the subject, "Getting dropouts using my 2017 Macbook Pro with Rane 72 and 12"

or the Ever popular
"Can some one PLEASE get Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve to work with Scratch Live..C'mon Serato."

lofl

6 10:20 PM - 20 December, 2017

The TWELVE will serve its purpose for those who have been waiting for something like it and it will be affordable to those who can afford it.

I’ll be using the Sixty-Four with it so I really only need to buy one to control four decks. Most likely I’ll end up buying two though.

Mr. Goodkat 11:07 PM - 20 December, 2017

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it will be affordable to those who can afford it.

everything is affordable for those that can afford it.

i think its a great product concept personally, but i wouldn't say its better than a turntable quite yet untill its been running well for at least 2-3 years.

6 2:31 AM - 21 December, 2017

Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.

Illiment 7:23 PM - 21 December, 2017

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Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.

or cry about it not having features "it should have"

Aptidda 7:56 PM - 21 December, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72....

Not true, I threw my S9 in the garbage as soon as I learned of the seventy two - its gonna be the new king for sure.

6 9:14 PM - 21 December, 2017

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Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.

or cry about it not having features "it should have"

Yup

DJ Marv the Maverick 9:53 PM - 21 December, 2017

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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?

not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72....

Not true, I threw my S9 in the garbage as soon as I learned of the seventy two - its gonna be the new king for sure.

For something without a release date...you could be waiting for another year ya know.

Aptidda 12:10 AM - 22 December, 2017

Q1 2018 my bruddah, Q1.

BIG ROG 5:44 AM - 14 January, 2018

It's out now. Anybody got it?

popnwave 4:26 AM - 15 January, 2018

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It's out now. Anybody got it?

Who is shipping it? I see February (post NAMM) everywhere.

Herzl 1:48 PM - 16 January, 2018

Pioneer DJ introduce a new product, same month it is available und you can get it. Professional.

InMusic introduce a new Produkt. After a few delays and no official information and maybe one year later you can get it if you are lucky. Kind of dump

Logisticalstyles 2:11 PM - 16 January, 2018

That is kinda ironic. Rane used the tag line "Battle Ready" to introduce their new equipment. Yet by time these products hit the streets another battle season will have come and gone.

BIG ROG 4:04 PM - 16 January, 2018

I apologize. I saw DJ Fatfingaz with it and didn't realize that it was just a demo that he was doing on the equipment. I need better comprehension skills :-) I think it's being released in February.

ral 5:26 PM - 16 January, 2018

almost

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"Battle Ready"

lol

6 5:27 PM - 16 January, 2018

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That is kinda ironic. Rane used the tag line "Battle Ready" to introduce their new equipment. Yet by time these products hit the streets another battle season will have come and gone.

🤔😂

Djkom 5:31 PM - 16 January, 2018

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Pioneer DJ introduce a new product, same month it is available und you can get it. Professional.

InMusic introduce a new Produkt. After a few delays and no official information and maybe one year later you can get it if you are lucky. Kind of dump

Pioneer is definitely on point on product launching!

But Regarding InMusic products I think it's rather Serato the weakest link 😅

popnwave 5:43 PM - 16 January, 2018

The new PIO controller is "OK" - you will either love or hate that display in the middle of the platters.

Still have more faith in the 72/Twelves to do what I am looking for.

Chino 5:45 PM - 16 January, 2018

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But Regarding InMusic products I think it's rather Serato the weakest link

Serato doesn't rush to put out SDJ releases just to please the masses. Serato actually performs in-depth private & public Beta testing.

InMusic Brand can lean a thing or two from Serato. inMusic has a horrible history of releasing half baked, poorly implemented software… Engine 1.5 is a "PRIME" example of that!

Chino 5:46 PM - 16 January, 2018

*learn…. now if only Serato would add an edit button to the forum! : )

Aptidda 7:16 PM - 16 January, 2018

waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.

DJ Marv the Maverick 9:23 PM - 16 January, 2018

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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.

I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.

Aptidda 11:10 PM - 16 January, 2018

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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.

I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.

no problem, I picked up the 72 so I will provide a link with my youtube review once received.

as for the Rane 12, that's a used craigslist lowball product for me- not something I would pay anywhere new price for since my 1200's do me just fine.

WildcardX 11:11 PM - 16 January, 2018

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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.

I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.

His enthusiasm actually has me really hoping they don't suck even though I didn't even have that before.

Mr. Goodkat 12:54 AM - 17 January, 2018

since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could

Herzl 12:16 PM - 17 January, 2018

My Dealer told me new date is 28. april (Germany) 😒

popnwave 4:01 PM - 17 January, 2018

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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could

I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.

Mr. Goodkat 6:50 PM - 17 January, 2018

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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could

I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.

There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live

DJ Guayo 11:57 PM - 17 January, 2018

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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could

I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.

There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live

For me it's been using the Rane 62 with SDJ. It feels laggy and I always seem to have an issue in the middle of a set. I've used SDJ with the S9 and SX without issues. I also recently updated to Yosemite.

DJ Guayo 11:58 PM - 17 January, 2018

Another note, I'm hoping this Rane 72 will work with Yosemite. I have a feeling it could go either way.

popnwave 12:14 AM - 18 January, 2018

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Another note, I'm hoping this Rane 72 will work with Yosemite. I have a feeling it could go either way.

Fingers crossed that it does.. I have no desire to go past Yosemite until forced or I stop seeing problems with High Sierra and audio software.

dj_spark 10:13 AM - 18 January, 2018

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There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live

Yes, since the Pulselocker/end of Core2Duo I have issues with SDJ.
The worst part is the midi mapping that keep adding code into your created files (so you need to lock them in read only mode), and also the pitch not responding some times (also happend to some friends in timecode mode).

The bug with the pitch is that the value will change on the screen, the waveform will magnify or reduce themselves according to the pitch, but the sound will not vary in speed, nor in key (even without any master tempo or pitch & time).

You can move the fader like you want, the sound get untouched in any way.
When this happened, relauching SDJ is not enough, you need to reboot computer. Great !

So I'm now stuck with 1.9.7 that is the more stable for me but still have issues with the midi.

VP 6:54 AM - 30 January, 2018

how sure are you guys, or where are you guys getting from, that the twelve has no sticker drift? based on what?
if the twelve has sticker drift or can develop sticker drift with wear it's dead on arrival. completely dead and done and will need a redesign.
someone pointed out that the v7 has no sticker drift. if the twelve is built from similar tech then it will be fine. but sticker drift will be absolutely unacceptable. no one at namm tested for sticker drift... slow and fast movements back and forth.

dj_spark 9:19 AM - 30 January, 2018

and for a very long time, not just 1 or 2 min.

Aptidda 4:52 PM - 30 January, 2018

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how sure are you guys, or where are you guys getting from, that the twelve has no sticker drift? based on what?
if the twelve has sticker drift or can develop sticker drift with wear it's dead on arrival. completely dead and done and will need a redesign.
someone pointed out that the v7 has no sticker drift. if the twelve is built from similar tech then it will be fine. but sticker drift will be absolutely unacceptable. no one at namm tested for sticker drift... slow and fast movements back and forth.

Guaranteed they used the exact same tech as in the V7, same number of ticks of resolution and the center spindle thing that attaches to the vinyl is identical to what was on the V7, I use to own one.

DJ Dub Cowboy 10:29 PM - 30 January, 2018

so twice as much for a controller that does less? At least the V7 was a dongle for the program.

dj_soo 10:37 PM - 30 January, 2018

one of the complaints about the V7s was that you couldn't just use them as controllers and bypass the sound card in the deck, so if you had a 62 or something, you had to bypass the sound card in the 62 and just use the V7s serato interface. Of course, this could have been fixed with a software update that allowed you to select which sound card to use when both were plugged into a laptop (something that serato still doesn't do).

Believe the V7 was the same price when it first released at $799 (which is probably more when adjusted for inflation).

dj_spark 8:54 AM - 31 January, 2018

You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

Chino 3:12 PM - 31 January, 2018

^^^ According to the spec sheet…

The Rane 72 has "Analog inputs for phono and CD sources" so it SHOULD be able to operate as a normal analog standalone mixer.

Maybe someone from Rane or Serato can confirm this?

Gio Alex 3:38 PM - 31 January, 2018

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^^^ According to the spec sheet…

The Rane 72 has "Analog inputs for phono and CD sources" so it SHOULD be able to operate as a normal analog standalone mixer.

Maybe someone from Rane or Serato can confirm this?

Why do people question this? I have yet to see a digital or dvs mixer you couldn't use as a mixer (vinyl, line in,cd). It's still a mixer regardless if you want to use serato or not.

J.J. 5:44 PM - 31 January, 2018

What mixer was the Twelve tone arm mod Phono at NAMM plugged into? Of course it works as a analog mixer. Why is this even questioned?

Gio Alex 5:54 PM - 31 January, 2018

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Why is this even questioned?

Same thing I said. Somehow people don't get how mixers work.

AKIEM 6:11 PM - 31 January, 2018

I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?

Gio Alex 6:18 PM - 31 January, 2018

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I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?

I would imagine the mains would be, but are you saying booth too? Where'd you hear this?

popnwave 6:24 PM - 31 January, 2018

ahahahahaha

Aptidda 6:36 PM - 31 January, 2018

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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

your an idiot

Gio Alex 6:41 PM - 31 January, 2018

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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

your an idiot

LMAO

AKIEM 7:03 PM - 31 January, 2018

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I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?

I would imagine the mains would be, but are you saying booth too? Where'd you hear this?

Same place I heard the fader is just a click mute switch.

I need answers, Rane.

dj_spark 8:08 PM - 31 January, 2018

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one of the complaints about the V7s was that you couldn't just use them as controllers and bypass the sound card in the deck, so if you had a 62 or something, you had to bypass the sound card in the 62 and just use the V7s serato interface.

I have asked because of this...

I don't understand why you can't use 2 soundcards with a software. People are doing this since decades...

dj_spark 8:08 PM - 31 January, 2018

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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

your an idiot

You sound like a wise and smart... ass !

Gio Alex 9:08 PM - 31 January, 2018

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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

your an idiot

You sound like a wise and smart... ass !

Alright, let's take a step back. I think the first thing that needs to be pointed out is the comparison of the V7 decks and the Rane Twelve decks.

I think the one thing that the V7 has in common is that the both have motorized platters. But that's where you should cut off the similarities.

Think of the V7 is a whole controller with a sound card minus a mixer. It's very unique. There's really nothing like it. It has the Serato license (originally Itch) in it.

The Twelve on the other hand is more comparable to a midi controller, however it requires the proprietary software (for the time being) in order to use it- sort of like what Akai APC 40 did. There's no soundcard built in.

Gio Alex 9:21 PM - 31 January, 2018

Looking back, V7s are pretty dope. Perfect mobile solution. Maybe I'll scoop a pair. Any complaints about V7s?

dj_soo 10:25 PM - 31 January, 2018

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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...

It does, but if you were to use v7s with an S9, you couldn't really use the pad functions the way they were designed to be used and would have to map it yourself using serato's limited mapping system.

dj_spark 11:17 PM - 31 January, 2018

I own a V7 and you can remap anything beside them (DJM T1, Reloop Neon, Pioneer SP1) but I don't know what is so specific about the features of the S9 you can't remap on something else.
There is a little hack to do with Serato accessories and then you can remap them as anything midi.

V7 is perfect on mobile use, and for one-deck mixing that's why I was looking at the Twelve, but I would then loose soundcard and dongle.

DJ Barticus 12:22 AM - 3 February, 2018

any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.

Aptidda 12:28 AM - 3 February, 2018

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any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.

hopefully it fits in your average TT case.

Chino 12:37 AM - 3 February, 2018

Check out his NAMM vid. Skip to 8:17 into the vid. Pro X has a new case that MAYBE will fit…

Watch www.youtube.com

This is great for DJs who only want to gig with one Twelve.

DJ Barticus 10:02 PM - 3 February, 2018

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any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.

hopefully it fits in your average TT case.

they should fit, but with them being slightly smaller it would be nice to put them in a slightly smaller flight case

BIG ROG 5:39 AM - 4 February, 2018

Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!

dj_soo 5:47 AM - 4 February, 2018

Maybe you should check the 3+ phase threads that are already around.

DJ Unique 10:51 AM - 4 February, 2018

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Maybe you should check the 3+ phase threads that are already around.

Yep...
LOL

popnwave 7:17 PM - 4 February, 2018

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Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!

Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.

popnwave 7:17 PM - 4 February, 2018

out = our

BIG ROG 8:43 PM - 4 February, 2018

Twelves are TTs... just a hybrid

Illiment 3:23 PM - 26 February, 2018

anyone get their hands on them yet?

THEE_Dj 4:53 PM - 26 February, 2018

Quote:

Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!

Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.

Honestly, what benefit would you have of getting the TWELVE over those dongle things. The only potential benefits I see are cue points and the ability to control multiple decks with one. Audio would still be digital. Heat would have no effect on them since you're not using the needle. And I don't think the 12's weigh much less than the 1200's.

I still haven't seen anyone explain why these are worth $1600 for the paid when you STILL need either an SL box or a Serato enabled mixer to use these puppies. They're just official serato accessories. AND.....they can't be used without serato (as far as we know).

Yes, a single NExus is 2k...but can be used with Traktor, VDJ, Rekordbox, A USB drive, AND with just CD'd if one wanted to do it that way. Same for all the other Accesories that are controllers. If what we're hearing holds true and these can only be used with serato....then that's a LOT of money for something that can be used with ONE application and ONLY offers midi audio output.

popnwave 5:00 PM - 26 February, 2018

Why can't you use the TWELVES with any of those either? They are just HID controller tanks, super appealing to folks who want a modular setup and none of the environmental quirks of turntables.

dj_spark 6:29 PM - 26 February, 2018

Because we have rarely see other editors doing a specific development for a rotating decks that is supposed to be used with an other software.
- Numark NS7
- Numark V7
- Denon 3700/3900 (that's why they did the hybrid mode)
- Stanton SCS1D

Technically it can be done, it's just a matter of protocols and some code. IRL, only VDJ is doing it for the sake of catching user. All the other editors will ask the manufacturers to pay for that exclusive coding, what manufacturers don't agree with because it already work with the intended application.

thorissr 7:12 PM - 26 February, 2018

I noticed today that the 72/12 release date has been pushed back to the end of March now. I'm wondering if these puppies will ever see the light of day.

DJ Marv the Maverick 7:19 PM - 26 February, 2018

Quote:

Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!

Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.

Honestly, what benefit would you have of getting the TWELVE over those dongle things. The only potential benefits I see are cue points and the ability to control multiple decks with one. Audio would still be digital. Heat would have no effect on them since you're not using the needle. And I don't think the 12's weigh much less than the 1200's.

I still haven't seen anyone explain why these are worth $1600 for the paid when you STILL need either an SL box or a Serato enabled mixer to use these puppies. They're just official serato accessories. AND.....they can't be used without serato (as far as we know).

Yes, a single NExus is 2k...but can be used with Traktor, VDJ, Rekordbox, A USB drive, AND with just CD'd if one wanted to do it that way. Same for all the other Accesories that are controllers. If what we're hearing holds true and these can only be used with serato....then that's a LOT of money for something that can be used with ONE application and ONLY offers midi audio output.

Those are my thoughts too.

One reason I never bought the SZ/SZ2. If I'm spending anything close to €1500 cash i d expect it to be more than a controller that needs a laptop to function.

Maybe Virtual DJ will get use out of it...we all know how tricky mapping Traktor to non NI jogs can be.

Rekordboxdj yet to see any official non Pioneer gearmapping (though it's open)

Aptidda 7:21 PM - 26 February, 2018

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I noticed today that the 72/12 release date has been pushed back to the end of March now. I'm wondering if these puppies will ever see the light of day.

where did you hear that?

thorissr 7:35 PM - 26 February, 2018

My GC rep informed me today when I was there to pickup an item. He pulled it up on their internal system and informed me that it was early March the last time he checked, that's when he noticed that the date was updated in their system to reflect a late March release.

Aptidda 7:50 PM - 26 February, 2018

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My GC rep informed me today when I was there to pickup an item. He pulled it up on their internal system and informed me that it was early March the last time he checked, that's when he noticed that the date was updated in their system to reflect a late March release.

yep I just checked that too. GOD F***** D***** S*********

HK1200 8:25 PM - 26 February, 2018

Wonder what the hold up is. Production problems, or software/firmware issues.

All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.

Chino 2:48 AM - 27 February, 2018

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All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.

+1. inMusic Brand NEEDS to take their time to make sure the Rane 72 & 12 are STABLE, *BUG FREE*, RELIABLE & truly "Battle Ready"!

I can't stress enough the importance of QUALITY CONTROL!!

dj_soo 2:59 AM - 27 February, 2018

I think some bugs are inevitable - what they truly need to ensure is that the bugs are addressed quickly and transparently - which mean acknowledging issues and making fixes a priority - something InMusic hasn't always been great at.

DJ Dub Cowboy 6:56 AM - 27 February, 2018

does the new InMusic Rane need to look after old bugs?

THEE_Dj 2:47 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Why can't you use the TWELVES with any of those either? They are just HID controller tanks, super appealing to folks who want a modular setup and none of the environmental quirks of turntables.

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Because we have rarely see other editors doing a specific development for a rotating decks that is supposed to be used with an other software.
- Numark NS7
- Numark V7
- Denon 3700/3900 (that's why they did the hybrid mode)
- Stanton SCS1D

Technically it can be done, it's just a matter of protocols and some code. IRL, only VDJ is doing it for the sake of catching user. All the other editors will ask the manufacturers to pay for that exclusive coding, what manufacturers don't agree with because it already work with the intended application.

And the only one that SUCCESSFULLY works with all 3 majors is the Numark NS7(i/ii/iii)/V7. Works flawlessly with traktor serato and vdj. The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency but even then, the lights didn't work and only some of the buttons. And don't even get me started on the stantons lol

Numark TRIED to make the screen for the NS7iii not work with vdj but they worked it out anyway Iol

THEE_Dj 2:52 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Wonder what the hold up is. Production problems, or software/firmware issues.

All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.

GOTTA be right. Denon already made 2 iterations spinning midi platters and did a good job with it. If they didn't leverage that resource and these suck.......BRUH!!

THEE_Dj 3:29 PM - 27 February, 2018

Sidenote....blows my mind that the NS7 and V7 are still supported in Serato DJ. The 57 was never supported and it's only what....2 years older than the NS7/V7? And here we are, 5 years after the initial release of serato DJ and the NS7 and V7 are STILL supported. I'm not complaining my ANY means....just....shocked lol. I used a NS7 up until last year so...plus for me (I use the NS7iii now) but still nice to know that even in Serato Dj Pro (....why?) 2.0 I can still pull out the original NS7 and rock with it lol

Gio Alex 3:54 PM - 27 February, 2018

Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

GusGomez 4:09 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

In other news the Rane lineup is delayed again until end of March smh

Gio Alex 4:11 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

In other news the Rane lineup is delayed again until end of March smh

lol What's new...

Aptidda 4:59 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

I miss my V7, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for a craigslist move to re-up on the controller.

THEE_Dj 5:08 PM - 27 February, 2018

I've heard the really will end up at June. Don't know how accurate that is... But......

THEE_Dj 5:13 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

Puppies still like 20lbs each lol but looks like 7 can cop a pair for under $500. Might be better off getting an ns7 unless you specifically want then to be modular an/or have an external mixer

Gio Alex 5:46 PM - 27 February, 2018

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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

Puppies still like 20lbs each lol but looks like 7 can cop a pair for under $500. Might be better off getting an ns7 unless you specifically want then to be modular an/or have an external mixer

Didn't realize they were still that heavy, but at least they're compact which is more of my issue, and I also saw you they go for like 500 a pair.

Actually just read they're 16lbs each, which is still more than I though, but techs are about 24 each.

dj_soo 6:46 PM - 27 February, 2018

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The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency

They still do. I've been using my sc3900s with the and pro beta with no issues

THEE_Dj 7:29 PM - 27 February, 2018

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The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency

They still do. I've been using my sc3900s with the and pro beta with no issues

Thought the 3900s had the same problem. I stand corrected

THEE_Dj 7:29 PM - 27 February, 2018

I know the 3700 doesn't work. I had them lol

J.J. 8:49 PM - 27 February, 2018

The “Hybrid MIDI Sel – Scratch Live" timecode frequency signal on the DN-S3700 doesn't work with Serato DJ anymore? That is news to me. What Serato DJ version did it stop working with?

THEE_Dj 9:16 PM - 27 February, 2018

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The “Hybrid MIDI Sel – Scratch Live" timecode frequency signal on the DN-S3700 doesn't work with Serato DJ anymore? That is news to me. What Serato DJ version did it stop working with?

its been a while. leeme see if i can find the exact version real quick.....

couldn't find exactly when, but apparently some guycreated an XML on his own that supposedly works with 1.6 at least. don't know past that

dj_soo 9:46 PM - 27 February, 2018

I've been using my 3900s all through 1.9 and the beta with no issues. Both the signal and the midi mappings are fine

dj_soo 10:00 PM - 27 February, 2018

You might be thinking of the official Denon scratchlive mapping that doesn't translate to sdj.

But the timecode is still fine and you can map everything yourself albeit it's a little limited.

THEE_Dj 10:01 PM - 27 February, 2018

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You might be thinking of the official Denon scratchlive mapping that doesn't translate to sdj.

But the timecode is still fine and you can map everything yourself albeit it's a little limited.

That was what i was referring to. I know it CAN be mapped. But like you said, it's limited. And even the official mapping was "limited" so to speak (at least on the 3700" I remember certain functions(buttons) not working very well.

dj_soo 10:07 PM - 27 February, 2018

The timecode output works fine tho. I have a pretty decent mapping for my 3900, but it took several iterations to get the way I like, and I have to memorize a bunch of stuff. On top of that, other than the buttons, you can't really map layers or shift functions which limits your controls. Not a huge deal from me because I have both a 62 and an sp1 which I use with the denons and I'm in no way losing out of functionality.

J.J. 12:24 AM - 28 February, 2018

I had a hand in developing that custom Denon MIDI Map for SSL. Of course it wouldn't work in Serato DJ.

I was working on a Serato DJ MIDI Map version but SDJ will only illuminate 1 button on the whole controller. Radikarl and I have not found a way around it. But MIDI mapping and Shift buttons should work just fine.

GusGomez 5:10 PM - 8 March, 2018

Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH

Aptidda 5:21 PM - 8 March, 2018

Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

GusGomez 5:37 PM - 8 March, 2018

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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.

Aptidda 6:04 PM - 8 March, 2018

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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.

right? If they do im jumping on board.

WildcardX 7:16 PM - 8 March, 2018

Interesting events since Skratch Bastid had them testing on his Instagram. Ah well......Imma be here waiting on Phase thought but the concept of the Twelve and Seventy-Two are interesting.

Aptidda 7:31 PM - 8 March, 2018

ya I know, Bastid got his setup before anyone. AAARRGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhh

THEE_Dj 7:34 PM - 8 March, 2018

Watched Skratch Bastid unbox the 72 and ab12 and test them.....even more so now than before I don't see any reason to switch from my NS7ii with 2 small exceptions:

1 - 12" platter instead of 7"
2 - They're modular. So if one goes out it's a $700 replacement not $1300

Aptidda 7:39 PM - 8 March, 2018

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Watched Skratch Bastid unbox the 72 and ab12 and test them.....even more so now than before I don't see any reason to switch from my NS7ii with 2 small exceptions:

1 - 12" platter instead of 7"
2 - They're modular. So if one goes out it's a $700 replacement not $1300

well the Mixer is the obvious exception. The 72 is in a whole other dimension than your controller "mixer".

Gio Alex 9:21 PM - 8 March, 2018

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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.

I dunno man, Pio loves their static decks. lol

DaltonSR20 10:21 PM - 8 March, 2018

InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

Gio Alex 10:50 PM - 8 March, 2018

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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

Aptidda 11:20 PM - 8 March, 2018

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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.

GusGomez 2:15 PM - 9 March, 2018

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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

that's a great point...the thing is what does delaying it from March 29th to April 3 do for InMusic what improvement can you come up with in 5 days?

Chino 2:59 PM - 9 March, 2018

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That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that I will probably just use what I already have. My 3900s gets the job done. Using my 1200s with Phase also seems cool.

I would like to upgrade from my 62 to the Rane 72. Whether or not I upgrade depends on the stability & reliability of these new inMusic Brand products.

GusGomez 3:14 PM - 9 March, 2018

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That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that I will probably just use what I already have. My 3900s gets the job done. Using my 1200s with Phase also seems cool.

I would like to upgrade from my 62 to the Rane 72. Whether or not I upgrade depends on the stability & reliability of these new inMusic Brand products.

Can't blame you

Chino 3:20 PM - 9 March, 2018

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what does delaying it from March 29th to April 3 do for InMusic what improvement can you come up with in 5 days?

^^^ This might be more of a logistical issue. There may be a delay from the factory and/or getting the products from the distribution points to the retailers.

THEE_Dj 3:37 PM - 9 March, 2018

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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.

Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and everything.

The mixer on the NS7iii is a true mixer by the way. Analog and digital. Even supports DVS.

Aptidda 4:15 PM - 9 March, 2018

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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol

That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.

Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and everything.

The mixer on the NS7iii is a true mixer by the way. Analog and digital. Even supports DVS.

LOL, ya the NS7iii mixer is a true pile of trash "mixer" (if you can call it that? debatable) to me. All in one's are trash. All hail the 12 and 72 combo as the highest and mightiest of them all!

THEE_Dj 4:40 PM - 9 March, 2018

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Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and e
LOL, ya the NS7iii mixer is a true pile of trash "mixer" (if you can call it that? debatable) to me. All in one's are trash. All hail the 12 and 72 combo as the highest and mightiest of them all!

Whether you like it or not doesn't change what it is lol. You ever actually used one though? I use it, the so, and the 62 a lot..... As far as for cutting it works just as well. Obviously you lose built in fx (including filter which REALLY sucks) but other than that.......

AKIEM 5:46 PM - 9 March, 2018

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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH

GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet

The Return of Dj Sparky 5:56 PM - 9 March, 2018

the rane 12, great idea but released 10 years too late

GusGomez 6:04 PM - 9 March, 2018

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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH

GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet

really? that's interesting so whats the excuse for the 72?

Gio Alex 6:12 PM - 9 March, 2018

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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH

GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet

Lmao

Gio Alex 6:13 PM - 9 March, 2018

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the rane 12, great idea but released 10 years too late

I was saying all this shit before and everyone got tight. It's way too late in my opinion. I'm not saying people won't buy it, but it should've been a hybrib turntable so that it serves more than one purpose and doesn't become an obsolete product before it even drops.

skinnyguy 6:50 PM - 9 March, 2018

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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH

GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet

really? that's interesting so whats the excuse for the 72?

they're adding a tonearm to that too.

Mr. Goodkat 8:32 PM - 9 March, 2018

adding a tonearm to the 12 is the funniest in a dumb way things of all time(I know you were joking skinny guy, but there is someone doing it)

Gio Alex 9:05 PM - 9 March, 2018

I still don't get why the delay on the mixer though. Is it because they want to drop the whole package at once?

slimmjimm 9:40 PM - 9 March, 2018

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what does delaying it from March 29th to April 3 do for InMusic what improvement can you come up with in 5 days?

^^^ This might be more of a logistical issue. There may be a delay from the factory and/or getting the products from the distribution points to the retailers.

It usually takes about 45 days on the water from China in my experience. I’m dealing with a shipping issue now. Ship left port, had to turn back for a typhoon, left port, then had to stay in another port for some other weather issue.

Aptidda 11:57 PM - 9 March, 2018

im sure Rane wants to get their money as fast as possible and want to release the products ASAP. It's gotta be some crazy shipping issue I swear it is PUTTING ME INTO A RAGE THOUGH!

Rebelguy 1:32 AM - 10 March, 2018

I’m going with software issue for the 72. There is product ready to ship. They just don’t have it working correctly yet.

Chino 2:07 AM - 10 March, 2018

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I’m going with software issue for the 72. There is product ready to ship. They just don’t have it working correctly yet.

If that is the case then inMusic Brand needs to take all the extra time they need. The worst possible thing they could do to the RANE brand is release a half baked, poorly implemented product full of bugs.

I'll happily wait for the product to be completely stable before making a purchase. I've learned my lesson. I will no longer be a paying beta tester(early adopter) for unfinished inMusic Brand products.

The Return of Dj Sparky 2:50 AM - 10 March, 2018

if the delay is to add a tone arm it;s a joke and rane are already admitting defeat to phase and trying to stay relevant and i cant believe it more like tech problems

DJ Irv 2:58 PM - 10 March, 2018

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if the delay is to add a tone arm it;s a joke and rane are already admitting defeat to phase and trying to stay relevant and i cant believe it more like tech problems

I called it on the Sixty-One being a flop. I'm calling the Twelve a total flop

Gio Alex 3:17 AM - 12 March, 2018

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if the delay is to add a tone arm it;s a joke and rane are already admitting defeat to phase and trying to stay relevant and i cant believe it more like tech problems

I called it on the Sixty-One being a flop. I'm calling the Twelve a total flop

It flopped because they gave you a 56 with a serato box build in basically, but for the price of a fully feature dvs mixer. No separate booth out, no, XLR main out, like only 1-2 cue point buttons. Kinda ridiculous when it came out. Made you look at the 61 like, "well I guess I'll get the 62 then".

Don't get me wrong I'd buy one now for those 600-900 price points I've been seeing for later but not that ridiculous price tag the original had.

Aptidda 4:53 PM - 12 March, 2018

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I’m going with software issue for the 72. There is product ready to ship. They just don’t have it working correctly yet.

If that is the case then inMusic Brand needs to take all the extra time they need. The worst possible thing they could do to the RANE brand is release a half baked, poorly implemented product full of bugs.

I'll happily wait for the product to be completely stable before making a purchase. I've learned my lesson. I will no longer be a paying beta tester(early adopter) for unfinished inMusic Brand products.

I'm with you on this one Chino, get it right and then send it proper! I got all the time in the world for my 72 that is coming, but the day it comes is going to be a real beauty. It will certainly be worth the wait and undoubtedly THE GREATEST MIXER OF ALL TIME just S**TT**G on EM! Get it right get it tight!

popnwave 4:55 PM - 12 March, 2018

I am still on board with the setup once it drops.

This is a purely enjoyment driven upgrade because my current setup works just fine. I just think it will be a lot of fun to use. So no rush here! I hope they get it right!

Aptidda 5:43 PM - 12 March, 2018

I may end up getting a 12 as one, just one to go with the 72. Struggling to wrap my head around getting rid of my real 12's, I do have an M3D collection dust in storage though...... Hmmmmm. May wait for an awesome sale or cop used though.

Jvine 9:38 PM - 13 March, 2018

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I called it on the Sixty-One being a flop. I'm calling the Twelve a total flop

I bought my first 61 with a 15% off GC coupon. It came out to around $1,100. I could stomach that a little better. In reality, that thing should have been $999.99 retail though. I totally see why it flopped at the $1,300 price point. That being said, you can find ones in great condition for a little over $600 today. Having the ability to still use SSL with it is major selling point for me. Re: the outs and whoever complained about no XLR, aren't balanced outs...balanced outs? I prefer a 61 and midi controller to a 62 any day, just wish it had 2 usb ports.

I think both the 12 and 72 will be flops. Maybe I'm just in my own bedroom/barely gigging bubble, but are people really that effect and loop heavy? It just seems like overkill to me. The 57 sl and 57 mkII designs were almost perfection to me.

dj_soo 9:49 PM - 13 March, 2018

I think the 72 will do well barring some catastrophic defect they missed. It's got a lot of things people wanted in the s9 that pioneer foolishly left out.

Twelves are still up in the air for me - especially with the phase dropping soon. I'd love a pair, but not enough to drop $1600 of what would essentially be a 3rd set of decks that I don't need.

goldarn 11:14 PM - 13 March, 2018

Don't think I would buy, but I'd love to take a pair for a test spin. Thats pretty much where I'm at with all this.

Aptidda 11:23 PM - 13 March, 2018

have you guys been watching Rane's instagram? The 12's look like a blast and buttery smooth. Jazzy Jeff is even on there right now doing "real" scratching LOL

WildcardX 12:23 AM - 14 March, 2018

As said before , the 72 will doe extremely well. The 12 will probably most likely suffer for a number of reasons like the Turntablist Purist arguments, then there is the Price tag and of course the much more affordable Phase but otherwise it also is a pretty solid product if all goes well enough and especially what the complementary testers have put it through stand for anything.

Mr. Goodkat 12:45 AM - 14 March, 2018

the 72 will do well if it works well (touch screen) and runs the software with out glitches.

i still think that touch screen was the biggest mistake they could have made but only time will tell

dj_soo 12:57 AM - 14 March, 2018

It's a cool feature, but I can see it being the weak point of the mixer. Didn't the old 909 touch screen have a ton of problems?

That said, touch screen technology has come a long way since then.

Chino 1:05 AM - 14 March, 2018

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the 72 will do well if it works well (touch screen) and runs the software with out glitches.

I agree. I hope Rane puts in a powerful enough processor in the 72 to run the touch screen smoothly. The 72 has a lot going on. It needs to be stress tested (at actual 4-5 hour gigs) & then retested to make sure it meets strict Quality Control standards.

GusGomez 1:07 AM - 14 March, 2018

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the 72 will do well if it works well (touch screen) and runs the software with out glitches.

I agree. I hope Rane puts in a powerful enough processor in the 72 to run the touch screen smoothly. The 72 has a lot going on. It needs to be stress tested (at actual 4-5 hour gigs) & then retested to make sure it meets strict Quality Control standards.

Shouldn’t be a problem they’re probably using the same tech as the SC5000 and those run smooth as silk

dj_soo 1:10 AM - 14 March, 2018

I still think we might see a version of the 72 that handles standalone USB drives. They can already run two separate tracks off a single sc5000 - would just be a matter of designing a good interface to use in the mixer.

Gio Alex 1:12 AM - 14 March, 2018

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I still think we might see a version of the 72 that handles standalone USB drives. They can already run two separate tracks off a single sc5000 - would just be a matter of designing a good interface to use in the mixer.

this would be the real game changer right there.

dj_soo 2:00 AM - 14 March, 2018

Better still, make it compatible with the Twelves and you have a standalone, modular controller with 12" spinning platters

WildcardX 12:10 PM - 14 March, 2018

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Better still, make it compatible with the Twelves and you have a standalone, modular controller with 12" spinning platters

What if the final production release of the Twelve comes with USB ports as you mentioned ( I know might be too far out considering)

Aptidda 3:32 PM - 14 March, 2018

for all you naysayers about the 12 after following Rane, Skratch Bastid, Jazzy Jeff's Instagram they have certainly wholeheartedly adopted the Rane and Twelve. Sure the Twelve doesn't make sense to all you penny pinching mobile DJ's and broke boys out there (its not made for you >$1000 owning controller geeks out there). But for the likes of true professionals and those that can afford the tech I believe it is going to be widely adopted by most ALL "turntablists" we see out there today. Not having to deal with the BS a tonearm brings alone brings a wealth of benefits. For sure the next redbull/ DMC these are going to be the standard. IDGAF what you all think, just watch.

And PHASE is more marketed to the "others", you penny pinchers and whiners. I just don't see how a turntable with a tonearm parked is going to Inspire the true pro's out there, maybe as a cheap backup. Facts. Nuff said, don believe me jussss watch!

Rebelguy 4:35 PM - 14 March, 2018

All this coming from a true professional carnival DJ.

The Return of Dj Sparky 4:40 PM - 14 March, 2018

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for all you naysayers about the 12 after following Rane, Skratch Bastid, Jazzy Jeff's Instagram they have certainly wholeheartedly adopted the Rane and Twelve. Sure the Twelve doesn't make sense to all you penny pinching mobile DJ's and broke boys out there (its not made for you >$1000 owning controller geeks out there). But for the likes of true professionals and those that can afford the tech I believe it is going to be widely adopted by most ALL "turntablists" we see out there today. Not having to deal with the BS a tonearm brings alone brings a wealth of benefits. For sure the next redbull/ DMC these are going to be the standard. IDGAF what you all think, just watch.

And PHASE is more marketed to the "others", you penny pinchers and whiners. I just don't see how a turntable with a tonearm parked is going to Inspire the true pro's out there, maybe as a cheap backup. Facts. Nuff said, don believe me jussss watch!

i bet you have a rane branded butt plug up your ass you love them so much, of course jazzy and the likes are going to post about it as their getting them for free but why would most people who have a set of turntables buy 12's when they can get a set of phases for 1/3 the price

Aptidda 4:45 PM - 14 March, 2018

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All this coming from a true professional carnival DJ.

Truth.

Aptidda 4:46 PM - 14 March, 2018

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for all you naysayers about the 12 after following Rane, Skratch Bastid, Jazzy Jeff's Instagram they have certainly wholeheartedly adopted the Rane and Twelve. Sure the Twelve doesn't make sense to all you penny pinching mobile DJ's and broke boys out there (its not made for you >$1000 owning controller geeks out there). But for the likes of true professionals and those that can afford the tech I believe it is going to be widely adopted by most ALL "turntablists" we see out there today. Not having to deal with the BS a tonearm brings alone brings a wealth of benefits. For sure the next redbull/ DMC these are going to be the standard. IDGAF what you all think, just watch.

And PHASE is more marketed to the "others", you penny pinchers and whiners. I just don't see how a turntable with a tonearm parked is going to Inspire the true pro's out there, maybe as a cheap backup. Facts. Nuff said, don believe me jussss watch!

i bet you have a rane branded butt plug up your ass you love them so much, of course jazzy and the likes are going to post about it as their getting them for free but why would most people who have a set of turntables buy 12's when they can get a set of phases for 1/3 the price

What "Phases" the product doesn't even exist to consumers.....

Jvine 6:21 PM - 14 March, 2018

You know how I know somebody has no money in the bank, lives on credit, and cashes their paychecks at payday loan stores? They use the term "broke boys".

Aptidda 6:25 PM - 14 March, 2018

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You know how I know somebody has no money in the bank, lives on credit, and cashes their paychecks at payday loan stores? They use the term "broke boys".

ya man the carnival DJ circuit is tough. Had to pawn off my mini horse and half a dozen clown outfits to make minimum monthly payments on the 72.

Rebelguy 9:03 PM - 14 March, 2018

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What "Phases" the product doesn't even exist to consumers.....

Neither do the 12s.

dj_soo 9:08 PM - 14 March, 2018

People, don't feed the troll.

goldarn 9:17 PM - 14 March, 2018

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Had to pawn off my mini horse

Best line all day.

Time is the only true judge here. Build quality, software integration and product support, three critical areas to its success. People are sold on the idea, for the most part, but truth is in the pudding.

CMOS 11:18 PM - 14 March, 2018

The 12s dont make sense the way the Phase does to people who already own turntables. In this case the Phase does what the 12s do (mostly) for very cheap.

Hopefully they will make a lot of sense for people buying their first decks and wondering CDJ, Turntable, or now 12s.

My dream is these knock CDJs out of the clubs, i hate those things.

Aptidda 11:32 PM - 14 March, 2018

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The 12s dont make sense the way the Phase does to people who already own turntables. In this case the Phase does what the 12s do (mostly) for very cheap.

Hopefully they will make a lot of sense for people buying their first decks and wondering CDJ, Turntable, or now 12s.

My dream is these knock CDJs out of the clubs, i hate those things.

Amen!

dj_soo 12:45 AM - 15 March, 2018

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The 12s dont make sense the way the Phase does to people who already own turntables. In this case the Phase does what the 12s do (mostly) for very cheap.

Hopefully they will make a lot of sense for people buying their first decks and wondering CDJ, Turntable, or now 12s.

My dream is these knock CDJs out of the clubs, i hate those things.

it'll never happen unless pioneer decides spinning platters are the way to go. Too many people have drunk the pioneer and rekordbox koolaid.

Gio Alex 2:18 AM - 15 March, 2018

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People, don't feed the troll.

It's been a while since we've had a troll. Can we keep it? lol

deezlee 6:42 AM - 15 March, 2018

What about people fabricating new homemade equipment with the phase inside.

Like remove the tonearm from a turntable and add some midi buttons or glue on a dicer or whatever

deezlee 6:44 AM - 15 March, 2018

Or the phase installed not necessarily inside. I guess glued to a record or something.

WarpNote 7:21 AM - 15 March, 2018

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What about people fabricating new homemade equipment with the phase inside.

Like remove the tonearm from a turntable and add some midi buttons or glue on a dicer or whatever

I dont really see the need?
I mean stick, the phase on, add dicers or any other midi if wanted, and be done with it?

deezlee 4:20 PM - 15 March, 2018

^^^ without the tonearm, it's a homemade "12".
With the tonearm you are just playing a record player without the needle on the record.
:)

Will08272 4:25 PM - 15 March, 2018

I have a bias towards the idea of the Phase then the Twelve, only because if you continue to tread towards efficiency, imo the phase being built into a deck of somekind is the move.

The idea of the phase prior to them being shown would have sounded like a dream, the fact that they work, based on all the available media the way they do caused such a momentum shift that it can’t be ignored, which for me plays into a bit of the public opinion on them.

slimmjimm 9:24 PM - 15 March, 2018

I’m pretty close to cancelling my pre-order, or possibly cutting it back to 1.

I’m also fed up with warped CV and dust.

Aptidda 9:35 PM - 15 March, 2018

The word "twelve" is the largest number with a single-syllable name in English. Late Germanic numbers have been theorized to have been non-decimal: evidence includes the unusual phrasing of eleven and twelve, the former use of "hundred" to refer to groups of 120, and the presence of glosses such as "tentywise" or "ten-count" in medieval texts showing that writers could not presume their readers would normally understand them that way.Such uses gradually disappeared with the introduction of Arabic numerals during the 12th-century Renaissance.

It derives from the Old English twelf and tuelf, first attested in the 10th-century Lindisfarne Gospels' Book of John. It has cognates in every Germanic language (e.g. German zwölf), whose Proto-Germanic ancestor has been reconstructed as *twaliƀi..., from *twa ("two") and suffix *-lif- or *-liƀ- of uncertain meaning.It is sometimes compared with the Lithuanian dvýlika, although -lika is used as the suffix for all numbers from 11 to 19 (analogous to "-teen").Every other Indo-European language instead uses a form of "two"+"ten", such as the Latin duōdecim.The usual ordinal form is "twelfth" but "dozenth" or "duodecimal" (from the Latin word) is also used in some contexts, particularly base-12 numeration. Similarly, a group of twelve things is usually a "dozen" but may also be referred to as a "duodecad". The adjective referring to a group of twelve is "duodecuple".

As with eleven,the earliest forms of twelve are often considered to be connected with Proto-Germanic *liƀan or *liƀan ("to leave"), with the implicit meaning that "two is left" after having already counted to ten.The Lithuanian suffix is also considered to share a similar development.The suffix *-lif- has also been connected with reconstructions of the Proto-Germanic for ten

Gio Alex 10:37 PM - 15 March, 2018

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I’m also fed up with warped CV and dust.

Warped CV? Where are you leaving them? I don't have this issue.

slimmjimm 11:49 PM - 15 March, 2018

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I’m also fed up with warped CV and dust.

Warped CV? Where are you leaving them? I don't have this issue.

Lately l have been receiving bad CV.

dj_spark 1:42 PM - 16 March, 2018

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I’m also fed up with warped CV and dust.

You're very patient, I'm done with these since 2004...
Since then, TTs are for home use only, and even there they can upset me !

Founding CV that have 2 good sides is very rare, there is always a side that is better than the other. Even my original CV from the original box has this issue.

Ollieboy 3:10 AM - 17 March, 2018

I wonder how much replacement vinyls cost for the 12's. Imagine warping or breaking one. Could run $100 for a pair IMO.

Djkom 7:37 AM - 17 March, 2018

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I wonder how much replacement vinyls cost for the 12's. Imagine warping or breaking one. Could run $100 for a pair IMO.

You can use any real 12" vinyl with the 12's 😉
The only important part is the 45 adapter which doesn't cost a lot...

DJ123 5:18 PM - 19 March, 2018

Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

The Return of Dj Sparky 5:28 PM - 19 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

Terrence Stokes 5:29 PM - 19 March, 2018

All you need to do is plug it to your computer usb port or usb hub.

DJ123 8:26 PM - 19 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

how is it stupid just wondering if it can work on the Rane mp2015 thats all there is no RCA plugs on the Rane 12 turntable

DJ Marv the Maverick 9:21 PM - 19 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

how is it stupid just wondering if it can work on the Rane mp2015 thats all there is no RCA plugs on the Rane 12 turntable

The Twelve does not have any audio capability. It's strictly a platter controller.

You should be able to use it with any Serato supported mixer.

Two Rane 12 will be connected via 2 USB sockets or Hub to your laptop just like you would connect CDJs or SC5000 decks.

DaltonSR20 9:27 PM - 19 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

how is it stupid just wondering if it can work on the Rane mp2015 thats all there is no RCA plugs on the Rane 12 turntable

I think you're misunderstanding the TWELVE. The thought process of trying to hook up a RCA from the TWELVE to the MP2015 leads me to believe that you think the TWELVE unit outputs some sort of audio (even if you think its the control tone).

The TWELVE is strictly a "Serato Accessory" and communicates with Serato DJ Pro directly via USB HID.

fvckJuly 10:11 AM - 20 March, 2018

don't wanna be that guy, but reading this overhyped Rane bullshit makes me happy to own a pair of Numark HDXs lol

modular, designed to be used standalone, 12" platters with great, realistic feel, good motors, paid less than 200 for the pair. yes they're ugly, silver and have a plastic upper housing that screams Windows XP all day, but they've yet to fuck me over. still not as nice to use as traditional DVS, but there's no real downside compared to the Twelves.

dj_soo 11:04 AM - 20 March, 2018

I've got a pair of Denon SC3900s and they're decent - especially for controlling serato, but there's a pretty fair amount of sticker drift on it that's super annoying. By all demo's the Twelves seem to have no sticker drift which is a huge advancement since the heyday of spinning platter CDJs.

DJ123 4:04 PM - 20 March, 2018

my bad i mead S/PDIF digital input on the Rane MP2015 if there adapter cord that would work for the Rane 12 would be nice

HK1200 4:15 PM - 20 March, 2018

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my bad i mead S/PDIF digital input on the Rane MP2015 if there adapter cord that would work for the Rane 12 would be nice

It will work, but not like you're thinking. The 12 is a usb midi controller, not a media player. There is no audio output from the 12 whatsoever.

The 12 will connect to your computer via usb. Your 2015 will also connect to your computer via usb. The only actual audio connections are from the mixer to your headphones, and to whatever sound system you're hooking up to.

DJ Ozah 6:21 PM - 20 March, 2018

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the rane 12, great idea but released 10 years too late

I was saying all this shit before and everyone got tight. It's way too late in my opinion. I'm not saying people won't buy it, but it should've been a hybrib turntable so that it serves more than one purpose and doesn't become an obsolete product before it even drops.

Exactly!!!!

pdidy 6:47 PM - 20 March, 2018

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It's been a while since we've had a troll. Can we keep it? lol

Fist time I laughed all day.......he don't bother me in the least, I say keep it... lol

pdidy 7:05 PM - 20 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

how is it stupid just wondering if it can work on the Rane mp2015 thats all there is no RCA plugs on the Rane 12 turntable

I see The Return of Dj Sparky's comment had no effect on inspiring you to read....lol

Mr. Goodkat 7:07 PM - 20 March, 2018

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Rane 12 Controller wonder if they will work with the Rane Mp2015 if you use usb to RCA ?

stupidest thing I've heard all day

how is it stupid just wondering if it can work on the Rane mp2015 thats all there is no RCA plugs on the Rane 12 turntable

I see The Return of Dj Sparky's comment had no effect on inspiring you to read....lol

yeah, he might wanna stick w records if this is causing confusion

GusGomez 3:31 PM - 22 March, 2018

Guess what?.... According to my rep at American Musical this thing and the 72 are pushed back until June! SMH!

thorissr 3:42 PM - 22 March, 2018

Yep...not surprised at all...SMH2!!!

GusGomez 3:51 PM - 22 March, 2018

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Yep...not surprised at all...SMH2!!!

Watch Pio release an updated S9 in like a month and take all the Thunder from RANE LOL

thorissr 4:05 PM - 22 March, 2018

InMusic is playing with fire each time they push these back. If and when Pioneer drop a new unit to one up the 72, they’ll probably drop it then.

I’m far from a Pioneer fanboy but there name alone will sale units. I love and own Denon gear but they have and still are learning that Pioneer is a force that’s undeniably locked the dj market down. I

Any opportunity you have to get a leg up on Pioneer it’s best you take it, and each day that passes where the 72/12 gear isn’t on the market to purchase is a day of lost sales. Don’t get me wrong diehards of Rane will buy them regardless and surely others will as well, but not to the point where it’s going to hurt its targeted competitor.

GusGomez 4:14 PM - 22 March, 2018

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InMusic is playing with fire each time they push these back. If and when Pioneer drop a new unit to one up the 72, they’ll probably drop it then.

I’m far from a Pioneer fanboy but there name alone will sale units. I love and own Denon gear but they have and still are learning that Pioneer is a force that’s undeniably locked the dj market down. I

Any opportunity you have to get a leg up on Pioneer it’s best you take it, and each day that passes where the 72/12 gear isn’t on the market to purchase is a day of lost sales. Don’t get me wrong diehards of Rane will buy them regardless and surely others will as well, but not to the point where it’s going to hurt its targeted competitor.

this +100!

HighTopFade 4:43 PM - 22 March, 2018

Can't see how there is a delay on the Twelve. It looks easy to manufacture.

goldarn 6:37 PM - 22 March, 2018

I can imagine the old owners cringing at the delays.

I understand why there was always such a huge importance on having a shippable product ready at the time of announcement. I can't even tell you the planning and details and delays that went into some of the products, but I can say it wasn't getting announced if it wasn't ready to build and ship.

Not hard for another company to swoop the thunder or even one-up the product.

thorissr 7:03 PM - 22 March, 2018

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I can imagine the old owners cringing at the delays.

I understand why there was always such a huge importance on having a shippable product ready at the time of announcement. I can't even tell you the planning and details and delays that went into some of the products, but I can say it wasn't getting announced if it wasn't ready to build and ship.

Not hard for another company to swoop the thunder or even one-up the product.

Spot on....I don’t see an advantage of doing this if the product is ready and they are attempting to build interest. Quite frankly there was a demand and market for this type of mixer soon after pioneer dropped the s9, and I’m surprised that it took a company this long to build upon the s9. The 72 is to the s9 as the denon SC5000 is to the cdj2000nexus2. Even though the sc5000 is miles ahead of the Pioneer CDJ in functionality, #chnageyourrider has somewhat died down. It’s been about a year since the prime dropped and not one peep out of pioneer. Why??? Pioneer are still selling their nexus2 systems to a point where their sales haven’t slumped, and there’s no need to break their djm/Cdj release cycle to answer to a product that has no affect on its profit margins.

It appears that inmusic is so large that this product alone will have no affect, positive or negative, due to the cash flow that they have from their other brands. Now if the was the Rane of the past, previous ownership, the constant delays would’ve never happened because the success of their products back then relied on mainly their relationship with Serato and their ecosystem.

Ollie 7:43 PM - 22 March, 2018

June is incorrect. The 72 will be shipping out 1st week of April.
Don't ask me how I know.

goldarn 11:23 PM - 22 March, 2018

How do you know?

lol

lvmez 11:45 PM - 22 March, 2018

Someone on Facebook said there 72 is ready for pick up, he's from Canada.

Dj Wunder 4:59 AM - 23 March, 2018

and agiprodj is shipping April 4

Illiment 7:05 PM - 24 March, 2018

long and mcquade here canada says 20 days on order. But one of the sales guys told me they had stock in the warehouse since the beginning of March.

Ollieboy 2:26 AM - 25 March, 2018

The stock is in. They're probably not authorized to ship it out until Rane gives them the Green Light

goldarn 4:39 PM - 25 March, 2018

code for - waiting on software

AKIEM 4:45 PM - 25 March, 2018

...waiting and waiting.

Ollieboy 8:05 PM - 25 March, 2018

Waiting on firmware

6 12:19 AM - 26 March, 2018

My Twelves just arrived. Will post a picture as soon as I get a chance.

dj_soo 1:39 AM - 26 March, 2018

Did you get the 72 as well?

GusGomez 4:22 AM - 26 March, 2018

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My Twelves just arrived. Will post a picture as soon as I get a chance.

Looks like I’ll be heading to Guitar Center soon

lvmez 1:34 AM - 28 March, 2018

No pictures of the Twelves from a member yet?

AKIEM 2:12 PM - 28 March, 2018

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and agiprodj is shipping April 4

Bondage 7:27 PM - 3 April, 2018

8% pitch but 10 bars ... Thats pitty ... Technics got 8 bars and thats more logic with 8% pitch...

Aptidda 8:35 PM - 3 April, 2018

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8% pitch but 10 bars ... Thats pitty ... Technics got 8 bars and thats more logic with 8% pitch...

Its not like your mixing real vinyl, its all digital. Therefore the Logic (from the Ancient Greek: λογική, translit. logikḗ), originally meaning "the word" or "what is spoken", but coming to mean "thought" or "reason", is a subject concerned with the most general laws of truth, and is now generally held to consist of the systematic study of the form of valid inference. A valid inference is one where there is a specific relation of logical support between the assumptions of the inference and its conclusion. (In ordinary discourse, inferences may be signified by words like therefore, hence, ergo, and so on.)

Hence your 10 bar pitch comment is nullified.

HighTopFade 2:46 AM - 4 April, 2018

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8% pitch but 10 bars ... Thats pitty ... Technics got 8 bars and thats more logic with 8% pitch...

Not a complete deal breaker but I see how it can bother some people. Maybe someone like 12 Inch Skinz will make an overlay decal to correct it.

aj5000 2:55 PM - 4 April, 2018

Digging them them so far

s1242.photobucket.com

GusGomez 2:57 PM - 4 April, 2018

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Digging them them so far

s1242.photobucket.com

Dope! How is the latency ?

aj5000 3:02 PM - 4 April, 2018

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Digging them them so far

s1242.photobucket.com

Dope! How is the latency ?

Depending on your setting but I don’t notice any

Djkom 3:33 PM - 4 April, 2018

Which Serato DJ version are you using ???

There's not yet any SDJ Pro 2.0.2 download link...

The Return of Dj Sparky 3:54 PM - 4 April, 2018

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Which Serato DJ version are you using ???

There's not yet any SDJ Pro 2.0.2 download link...

have you even looked?

2.0.2 is available on the download page

aj5000 4:58 PM - 4 April, 2018

It’s been up since last night

Djkom 5:35 PM - 4 April, 2018

Ok my bad, usually I receive new version announcement by emails but not for the 2 last ones...🤔

djaction 5:48 PM - 4 April, 2018

as of 4/4 Toys R Us has these available for pickup in store

thorissr 6:01 PM - 4 April, 2018

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as of 4/4 Toys R Us has these available for pickup in store

Lol!!! Now Toys R Us will get getting increased internet hits solely off this post. :)

Aptidda 6:21 PM - 4 April, 2018

this just in, Toys R Us have Technic 1200's on discount as they are going out of business! They are also giving away Pioneer PLX 1000's.

WildcardX 7:01 PM - 4 April, 2018

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this just in, Toys R Us have Technic 1200's on discount as they are going out of business! They are also giving away Pioneer PLX 1000's.

Triggered!

Aptidda 8:13 PM - 4 April, 2018

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this just in, Toys R Us have Technic 1200's on discount as they are going out of business! They are also giving away Pioneer PLX 1000's.

Triggered!

preach!

DJ Wreck 10:05 PM - 4 April, 2018

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Guess what?.... According to my rep at American Musical this thing and the 72 are pushed back until June! SMH!

I preordered the 72 through American Musical on March 7th. I just got my tracking number, ships out today, delivers tomorrow!

ral 9:46 PM - 5 April, 2018

s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

DJ Unique 11:03 PM - 5 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LOL

slimmjimm 11:35 PM - 5 April, 2018

Mine come Monday. The wait sucks.

Bondage 3:30 AM - 6 April, 2018

Does the 72 remember your custom effects settings?

pdidy 4:27 AM - 6 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LOL

LOL, yea quite a few of them a bit salty right now. Alot of dj's I know only had their s9 a lil over a year and now Rane comes and fucks up the party. i.imgur.com

CMOS 12:48 PM - 6 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LOL

LOL, yea quite a few of them a bit salty right now. Alot of dj's I know only had their s9 a lil over a year and now Rane comes and fucks up the party. i.imgur.com

I had my S9 delivered the day before Rane announced the 72. Yay.

While the 72 does look dope, i dont see myself selling the S9 for it, funtionalitywise there are no killer must have features for me that ive seen so far.

A lot of OMG thats really cool, but nothing that says yeah mine is obsolete now.

Aptidda 4:39 PM - 6 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LOL

LOL, yea quite a few of them a bit salty right now. Alot of dj's I know only had their s9 a lil over a year and now Rane comes and fucks up the party. i.imgur.com

I had my S9 delivered the day before Rane announced the 72. Yay.

While the 72 does look dope, i dont see myself selling the S9 for it, funtionalitywise there are no killer must have features for me that ive seen so far.

A lot of OMG thats really cool, but nothing that says yeah mine is obsolete now.

got 3 hours of sleep last night playing with the 72 all night, the S9 is clearly pale in comparison and the mixer is on a whole other level.

pdidy 8:05 PM - 6 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LOL

LOL, yea quite a few of them a bit salty right now. Alot of dj's I know only had their s9 a lil over a year and now Rane comes and fucks up the party. i.imgur.com

I had my S9 delivered the day before Rane announced the 72. Yay.

While the 72 does look dope, i dont see myself selling the S9 for it, funtionalitywise there are no killer must have features for me that ive seen so far.

A lot of OMG thats really cool, but nothing that says yeah mine is obsolete now.

You sound cool an believable but on the inside you might be........78.media.tumblr.com

Bondage 8:55 AM - 7 April, 2018

I love people ... We got so many different opinions lol )) Guys that are saying that they don't care they bought recent the S9 before the announcement of the 72 are talking big shit :p

Pioneer is never been quality, if you buy pioneer you pay for the fun aspect of there products and for there big name in the industry. Now Rane #quality have a superb outstanding fun product mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !! I recommend all you S9 users to sell your gear fast because very soon your product will be so fucked up anyway.

Today there is a choice for Pioneer... Be Rane, don't accept other brands let you pay big G's for stuff that is not honest... Thats my opinion

Chino 12:42 PM - 7 April, 2018

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s9 owners be like....

ibb.co

LMAO!!

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:17 PM - 7 April, 2018

LOL, y'all 72'ers are talking mad sh*t right now....

I just hope the build quality of the Rane 56/56S is rejuvenated....

AKIEM 2:28 PM - 7 April, 2018

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LOL, y'all 72'ers are talking mad sh*t right now....

I just hope the build quality of the Rane 56/56S is rejuvenated....

with all the buttons, lights, touchscreen, they might get close to Rane quality, but never as rugged as that right there

Gio Alex 4:00 PM - 7 April, 2018

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LOL, y'all 72'ers are talking mad sh*t right now....

LMAO

Gio Alex 4:01 PM - 7 April, 2018

So much spicy talk in here, love it! LOL

djcrap 5:00 PM - 7 April, 2018

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LOL, y'all 72'ers are talking mad sh*t right now....

I just hope the build quality of the Rane 56/56S is rejuvenated....

The fuckin goat was killing it with mad turnovers. Then missing free throws to tie that fuckin rookie. That 30 point dig out though

Time will tell if the new kings 👑 on the block is the 72'ers

lvmez 1:59 AM - 8 April, 2018

What's up guys. I am interested getting a 72 and one Twelve. Where do you guys think I can get the best price. My usual retailer didn't get shipment yet. I received a price on the Twelve but was not impressed with the discount, so I passed.

Thanks.

Ollieboy 3:05 AM - 8 April, 2018

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What's up guys. I am interested getting a 72 and one Twelve. Where do you guys think I can get the best price. My usual retailer didn't get shipment yet. I received a price on the Twelve but was not impressed with the discount, so I passed.

Thanks.

It depends. I suggest you consider purchasing an extended warranty with it. This mixer is expensive and a warranty can come in handy. This can affect the price of the set up. Retailers charge different amounts for warranty coverage.

DJ Ozah 4:01 AM - 8 April, 2018

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LOL, y'all 72'ers are talking mad sh*t right now....

I just hope the build quality of the Rane 56/56S is rejuvenated....

with all the buttons, lights, touchscreen, they might get close to Rane quality, but never as rugged as that right there

It's funny to me actually...the product has not even been out a month and folks are bashing S9's as complete trash. You have no clue if the product will even hold up, has no major flaws or possible recall. First adopters are nothing more than beta testers. Same with the S9 homers who called out Rane when the S9 dropped.

Everyone needs to calm down and understand not everyone has $1,899 to drop on a mixer... or even $1,699 for a (outdated S9) Half the folks on here probably only use 30% of the mixer functions as is..nothing more then shiny jewelry.

So how about everyone stop being a tool and instead recognize the great tool Rane just put out? To be fair it took Rane how many years to answer to the S9.... It's not like Pioneer isn't already planning a S9 MKII

With all that being said I got my S9 for $1,499 new if I could have gotten the 72 for that much I'd probably have done it. But $1,899 is outta my price range. Perhaps when it's outdated in 3-4yrs and the S9 II comes out I'll buy it. ;)

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:30 AM - 8 April, 2018

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But $1,899 is outta my price range. Perhaps when it's outdated in 3-4yrs and the S9 II comes out I'll buy it. ;)

Wait, wait wait!

Y'all paying upwards of $1.900.00 bucks for a mixer?

And that's JUST the mixer?

And VERSION 1.0 at that?

C'mon son...

DJ Ozah 6:50 AM - 8 April, 2018

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But $1,899 is outta my price range. Perhaps when it's outdated in 3-4yrs and the S9 II comes out I'll buy it. ;)

Wait, wait wait!

Y'all paying upwards of $1.900.00 bucks for a mixer?

And that's JUST the mixer?

And VERSION 1.0 at that?

C'mon son...

lmao I'm not. And to be honest I only paid $800 outta pocket for the S9 after selling my old gear. I couldn't justify $1,600 or even $1,400 outright. This damn thing is almost all plastic.
Rane is trying too hard to mimic Pioneers outlandish pricing.
I wonder if they will revise the 57 and do a MKIII for say $1,599..

dj_soo 8:03 AM - 8 April, 2018

Outlandish? You realize that the 62 was more expensive than the 72 when it first dropped?

Ollieboy 8:45 AM - 8 April, 2018

It takes a minute to get use to the interface, but once you learn to maneuver through the touch screen its great. Wave forms in front make a difference when it comes to pitching and doubling up especially when the TT is opposite side the laptop. Being able to stack the effects adds to the creativity and hearing new shit you didn't know was there. The TouchFx is added fun to the mix. Once cats start getting use to this new layout shits gonna get crazy. I don't know how else they can top this mixer. Except maybe add add a Blutooth mode or add an Easteregg Pacman just to fck around. LoL

AKIEM 1:19 PM - 8 April, 2018

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But $1,899 is outta my price range. Perhaps when it's outdated in 3-4yrs and the S9 II comes out I'll buy it. ;)

Wait, wait wait!

Y'all paying upwards of $1.900.00 bucks for a mixer?

And that's JUST the mixer?

And VERSION 1.0 at that?

C'mon son...

[s]lmao I'm not. And to be honest I only paid $800 outta pocket for the S9 after selling my old gear. I couldn't justify $1,600 or even $1,400 outright. This damn thing is almost all plastic.
Rane is trying too hard to mimic Pioneers outlandish pricing.[/s]
I wonder if they will revise the 57 and do a MKIII for say $1,599..

Good Lord Almighty I pray they will. And it would make sense, they can't be out here with just one mixer. 57MKII nearly flawless.

Chino 1:54 PM - 8 April, 2018

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Good Lord Almighty I pray they will. And it would make sense, they can't be out here with just one mixer. 57MKII nearly flawless.

There will probably be a 4 channel Rane '74' & a more portable 9" or 10" version of the Rane 12 coming soon...

DJ Marv the Maverick 2:36 PM - 8 April, 2018

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Good Lord Almighty I pray they will. And it would make sense, they can't be out here with just one mixer. 57MKII nearly flawless.

There will probably be a 4 channel Rane '74' & a more portable 9" or 10" version of the Rane 12 coming soon...

74 hmmm, not sure how that will work since they have the X1800.

Someone asked for a 2 channel version of the Denon DJ X1800 on the Denon forum and the rep technically pointed him in the direction of the Rane 72.

For now it seems like

Denon - Semi Pro to Pro Club/Mobile gear
Rane - Turntablist gear and high end gear like those Rotary mixers, SL4
Numark - Entry to Mid level stuff

InMusic ecosystem is beginning to emerge

E.g. one can plug the SC5000 into the 72 USB HUB for Serato DJ

9 or 10" controller may be Numark badged

popnwave 3:21 PM - 8 April, 2018

I paid $3500 a PIECE for DVJ-X1s back in 2004. That was $7000 for dvd players I could use to beat match.

Anyone bitching about a piece of gear under $2k needs to stick with what they have. Too cheap: waaaaah the build is low quality. Too expensive: LOL at you for paying that much money for gear.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 needs to just retire talking crap like that.

DJ 8-Ball, 1993 NMS Champ 4:50 PM - 8 April, 2018

So I read on RANE's sight it's compatible with all RANE mixers and you just need to plug the USB into your laptop. So will 2 Twelve's run properly with a USB hub? I've got a 62 and a late 2010 Macbook Pro i.e. only 2 USB ports.

popnwave 5:51 PM - 8 April, 2018

Yes, the Twelves can use the 72's built in hub or any other powered hub to connect.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:38 PM - 8 April, 2018

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 needs to just retire talking crap like that.

What? Why?

Because I choose to spend money WISELY?

Y'all bout to buy a $3,500.00 Plastic Controller when it's all over and done with....

AKIEM 7:04 PM - 8 April, 2018

steel construction tho

fvckJuly 7:37 PM - 8 April, 2018

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Because I choose to spend money WISELY?

this, 100%. in my book, "talking crap" about a 1.9k mixer is quite a bit smarter than investing 7k in some funky ass DVD player lmfao

cuz let's face it, none of us was ever REALLY held back by our equipment

popnwave 10:59 PM - 8 April, 2018

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Because I choose to spend money WISELY?

this, 100%. in my book, "talking crap" about a 1.9k mixer is quite a bit smarter than investing 7k in some funky ass DVD player lmfao

cuz let's face it, none of us was ever REALLY held back by our equipment

You have no idea what you are talking about then. There was NOTHING on the market that could do what the DVJs did in 2004.

Again, if something over $1-2k is out of your league, don't be bitter. People on here talk about paying way more for nice rotary mixers all of the time and there isn't nearly the peanut gallery comments.

Some of you just -love- to be haters, love to bitch and must be envious as hell when people get new gear. If not, you sure act like it.

WarpNote 2:04 AM - 9 April, 2018

My take on this: probably get the 72, but keeping mye S9, 62 and 900SRT for now.
Still have rental requests for them..

However, I'll stay with my combo of techs and cdj2000 as they are solid payers..

Kinda let down that the 72 dont have separate loop controls like the 62 and s9, everything is done on the pads?.. hopefully there will be a separate loop control on the touch screen? I want both cues and loops at my fingertips at the same time...

AKIEM 2:15 AM - 9 April, 2018

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My take on this: probably get the 72, but keeping mye S9, 62 and 900SRT for now.
Still have rental requests for them..

However, I'll stay with my combo of techs and cdj2000 as they are solid payers..

Kinda let down that the 72 dont have separate loop controls like the 62 and s9, everything is done on the pads?.. hopefully there will be a separate loop control on the touch screen? I want both cues and loops at my fingertips at the same time...

another reason why I hope they do a Rane 57MK3 ftw

Ollieboy 3:01 AM - 9 April, 2018

A little review ( not my review ) regarding customer service and the 12s. youtu.be

fvckJuly 6:44 AM - 9 April, 2018

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Some of you just -love- to be haters, love to bitch and must be envious as hell when people get new gear. If not, you sure act like it.

don't get me wrong, I get your POV and the DVJs really were something new. what I'm saying is that dudes should stop acting like upgrading a piece of gear is going to turn their career around, people calling the 72 a GAME CHANGER need to get a grip

WarpNote 10:33 AM - 9 April, 2018

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My take on this: probably get the 72, but keeping mye S9, 62 and 900SRT for now.
Still have rental requests for them..

However, I'll stay with my combo of techs and cdj2000 as they are solid payers..

Kinda let down that the 72 dont have separate loop controls like the 62 and s9, everything is done on the pads?.. hopefully there will be a separate loop control on the touch screen? I want both cues and loops at my fingertips at the same time...

another reason why I hope they do a Rane 57MK3 ftw

Personally, I was never a fan of the 57mk1 or mk2, great build quality, but I did not like the layout. My first SL mixer was the 68, then I switched it for the 62.

AKIEM 2:54 PM - 9 April, 2018

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My take on this: probably get the 72, but keeping mye S9, 62 and 900SRT for now.
Still have rental requests for them..

However, I'll stay with my combo of techs and cdj2000 as they are solid payers..

Kinda let down that the 72 dont have separate loop controls like the 62 and s9, everything is done on the pads?.. hopefully there will be a separate loop control on the touch screen? I want both cues and loops at my fingertips at the same time...

another reason why I hope they do a Rane 57MK3 ftw

~~Personally, I was never a fan of the 57mk1 or mk2, great build quality, but I did not like the layout. My first SL mixer was the 68, then I switched it for the 62.~~

Rane 57ftw

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:51 PM - 9 April, 2018

I don't think anything has ever been out of my "League" pricewise....

However, I will ALWAYS to the price comparison of my WANTS versus what it costs....

If it has a bazillion bells and whistles of things that I don't see me using....

I'm not buying...

Only makes sense...

A lot of y'all don't do anything different from when you had a 57....

djaction 4:57 PM - 9 April, 2018

I think Rane should sell it for $4k lol.. the bar of entry to DJ'ing for newbs has been set far too low :D

AKIEM 5:48 PM - 9 April, 2018

built in China, shouldnt the price drop tho?
(asking for a friend)

but when does the steel tariffs kick in?

Ollieboy 6:16 PM - 9 April, 2018

The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

Mr. Goodkat 6:25 PM - 9 April, 2018

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The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

in competitions, yes/maybe

but

in real life club situations its still gonna come down to playing the right records with good transitions that flow in coherent manner.

this can be done with or without a 72, s9, ttm 57, vinyl, cd, cassette or any other medium.

its like thinking being able to do q bert level scratches is going to make you a better dj. it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

DJ Ozah 6:32 PM - 9 April, 2018

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The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

in competitions, yes/maybe

but

in real life club situations its still gonna come down to playing the right records with good transitions that flow in coherent manner.

this can be done with or without a 72, s9, ttm 57, vinyl, cd, cassette or any other medium.

its like thinking being able to do q bert level scratches is going to make you a better dj. it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

+1

AKIEM 7:07 PM - 9 April, 2018

screen on the mixer is game changing. doesn't mean it will make you a better DJ.

fvckJuly 7:26 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

that's just cuz you ain't had the DJM-909 back in the day lol

Jvine 8:22 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I don't think anything has ever been out of my "League" pricewise....

However, I will ALWAYS to the price comparison of my WANTS versus what it costs....

If it has a bazillion bells and whistles of things that I don't see me using....

I'm not buying...

Only makes sense...

A lot of y'all don't do anything different from when you had a 57....

This...I don't need this. Is it cool, sure, but it doesn't invoke any kind of feelings of need or even real want with me like the 57 did. I have my pick of 4 1200s, a 56s, a 61, and more than enough deadstock shoes in my closet that I could sell to to buy a 72 if I really wanted one. Plus, you know the ones really bragging about the price got that thing on credit and are hoping they can get it paid off before that 29% interest hits after 6 months, ha ha.

It just does't seem smart to me to pay $2k for something made in China, from a company I used to trust, that's been bought out, sorry. Plus, I'm just not that DJ. I've never never needed any effect outside of an echo or filter, and other than that just use loops and cue points. Why pay $2,000 when a $700 used 61 and pair of dicers suits me just fine.

Speaking of, to me, a 61 with 2 usb inputs, SSL compatibility, and 56/57 cueing system would be something I would pay money for, maybe even throw in some cue pads. I just don't need much else.

As far as the screen being a game changer, you all stare at waveforms that much?

Aptidda 8:27 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I don't think anything has ever been out of my "League" pricewise....

However, I will ALWAYS to the price comparison of my WANTS versus what it costs....

If it has a bazillion bells and whistles of things that I don't see me using....

I'm not buying...

Only makes sense...

A lot of y'all don't do anything different from when you had a 57....

This...I don't need this. Is it cool, sure, but it doesn't invoke any kind of feelings of need or even real want with me like the 57 did. I have my pick of 4 1200s, a 56s, a 61, and more than enough deadstock shoes in my closet that I could sell to to buy a 72 if I really wanted one. Plus, you know the ones really bragging about the price got that thing on credit and are hoping they can get it paid off before that 29% interest hits after 6 months, ha ha.

It just does't seem smart to me to pay $2k for something made in China, from a company I used to trust, that's been bought out, sorry. Plus, I'm just not that DJ. I've never never needed any effect outside of an echo or filter, and other than that just use loops and cue points. Why pay $2,000 when a $700 used 61 and pair of dicers suits me just fine.

Speaking of, to me, a 61 with 2 usb inputs, SSL compatibility, and 56/57 cueing system would be something I would pay money for, maybe even throw in some cue pads. I just don't need much else.

As far as the screen being a game changer, you all stare at waveforms that much?

blah blah blah... whatever you gotta tell yourself. You know you want a 72.

Jvine 8:32 PM - 9 April, 2018

Are you the same dude with the video in the dusty ass tiny room with dirty carpet, trash everywhere, drinking $18 whiskey out of a beer glass calling people penny pinchers?

That financing portion of my post cut you deep, huh?

J.J. 8:38 PM - 9 April, 2018

$2K? Where do you buy your DJ equipment from?

SSL compatibility? You want software that stopped getting updates 3 years ago? Maybe you don't want Serato to survive as a company?

"Why pay $2,000 when a $700 used 61 and pair of dicers suits me just fine."

Think about what you said for a minute? Are you seriously thinking about it? Users wanted a mixer without the need of accessory after accessory. Rane not only delivered with the 72, they blew the doors off!

I still use my Technics 1200, but you don't see me on every thread saying I don't need any new features. If you are satisfied with what you got, great. Don't be in the closet about the newest and greatest technology.

Jvine 8:48 PM - 9 April, 2018

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$2K? Where do you buy your DJ equipment from?

SSL compatibility? You want software that stopped getting updates 3 years ago? Maybe you don't want Serato to survive as a company?

"Why pay $2,000 when a $700 used 61 and pair of dicers suits me just fine."

Think about what you said for a minute? Are you seriously thinking about it? Users wanted a mixer without the need of accessory after accessory. Rane not only delivered with the 72, they blew the doors off!

I still use my Technics 1200, but you don't see me on every thread saying I don't need any new features. If you are satisfied with what you got, great. Don't be in the closet about the newest and greatest technology.

If you buy it at list price it's well over $2k with tax. If you get a $200 discount, it's right at $1900 with tax, so yeah, a $2k mixer like I said. I'm sure you got yours for $500 off though, hell, probably free right?

Yes, I'm thinking about what I said. That's why I followed up with a layout I would pay $1,300, $1,400 for from old Rane, definitely not a Chinese made first run from inMusic. The 72 is a bunch of bells and whistles I don't need. Why are you mad, flabbergasted or whatever at that opinion?

I am satisfied with what I got. I also keep up with new tech, but don't see a need for me to buy a 72. You are happy with a 72, and that's awesome.

popnwave 8:57 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I am satisfied with what I got. I also keep up with new tech, but don't see a need for me to buy a 72. You are happy with a 72, and that's awesome.

That's fine, so why are you here giving people shit about it then? That's why I don't get. Why clown on people buying new tech, if anything you should be happy they are exposing any hiccups so when the tipping point reaches you to upgrade down the road, you'll know if the 72 can hold it down like the older SSL gear did.

These forums are filled with bitchy dudes who hate on everyone from bottom feeders to new tech adopters. Or maybe bitter/jealous is a better description?

I am not dropping $3500 on the new setup for the same reason most people aren't, I just don't need it this second. Still hyped for those making the jump, and I have been watching the videos of them in use!

DaltonSR20 8:59 PM - 9 April, 2018

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The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

IMO, the mixer isn't a game changer. It's a simple step in evolution rather than revolution. Craze and Rafik both extremely creative, rock Traktor with modular setups with Kaoss pads, midi keyboards, mpc's, ect... The 72 would help them condense that but I don't see the 72 doing something they can't already do with what they already use.

As an S9 owner, I am jealous of the 72 but at the same time, I don't even use the S9 to its fullest. Definitely a huge big ups to Rane for coming through with the 72 though. Love or hate Pioneer/Rane, we need them both. Competition leads to innovation.

Honestly,

Jvine 9:03 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I am satisfied with what I got. I also keep up with new tech, but don't see a need for me to buy a 72. You are happy with a 72, and that's awesome.

That's fine, so why are you here giving people shit about it then? That's why I don't get. Why clown on people buying new tech, if anything you should be happy they are exposing any hiccups so when the tipping point reaches you to upgrade down the road, you'll know if the 72 can hold it down like the older SSL gear did.

How am I giving people shit? I agreed with a dude that said he didn't need it and that was responding to the constant "you're broke if you don't get one, because we know everybody wants one" sentiment laid out by Aptidda et al.

People see that as hate and feel the need to justify their purchase to me for some reason.

DJ Ozah 9:04 PM - 9 April, 2018

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I am satisfied with what I got. I also keep up with new tech, but don't see a need for me to buy a 72. You are happy with a 72, and that's awesome.

That's fine, so why are you here giving people shit about it then? That's why I don't get. Why clown on people buying new tech, if anything you should be happy they are exposing any hiccups so when the tipping point reaches you to upgrade down the road, you'll know if the 72 can hold it down like the older SSL gear did.

These forums are filled with bitchy dudes who hate on everyone from bottom feeders to new tech adopters. Or maybe bitter/jealous is a better description?

I am not dropping $3500 on the new setup for the same reason most people aren't, I just don't need it this second. Still hyped for those making the jump, and I have been watching the videos of them in use!

Calm down it was just his opinion. Why take
It so personal? People have the right to advocate for or against new tech....its called a forum for a reason. To insinuate some is jealous that's quite a reach. Especially considering anyone with a pulse can finance a 72. Zzounds/AMS...Sweetwater...Guitar Center(ugh) why can't people just disagree without resorting to personal attacks?

Ollieboy 9:10 PM - 9 April, 2018

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The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

in competitions, yes/maybe

but

in real life club situations its still gonna come down to playing the right records with good transitions that flow in coherent manner.

this can be done with or without a 72, s9, ttm 57, vinyl, cd, cassette or any other medium.

its like thinking being able to do q bert level scratches is going to make you a better dj. it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

Which is why it's labled as a battle mixer/club mixer. I get it for the basic dj. That's why I specifically labeled those battle DJ. What what makes you think they've never exhibited those skills when party rocking? I A mixer that improves and switches up your mixing style is a game changer.

Ollieboy 9:14 PM - 9 April, 2018

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The reason why they call the 72 a game changer is cause it is. You put this mixer in the hands of DJs such as Atrak, Craze ( even though he's Traktor) Jon1st, Rafik etc. they'll do shit we've never seen before in a battle. Other DJ's will see the creativity and it builds up from there. I started using the Touch FX in my mix this weekend. I've never had that before.

I'm sure pioneer will come out with something dope in a few years with game changing features. It's about evolving. This mixer isnt just for us DJs now but is also those future Atraks, Craze and Jon1st that have yet to be discovered.

IMO, the mixer isn't a game changer. It's a simple step in evolution rather than revolution. Craze and Rafik both extremely creative, rock Traktor with modular setups with Kaoss pads, midi keyboards, mpc's, ect... The 72 would help them condense that but I don't see the 72 doing something they can't already do with what they already use.

As an S9 owner, I am jealous of the 72 but at the same time, I don't even use the S9 to its fullest. Definitely a huge big ups to Rane for coming through with the 72 though. Love or hate Pioneer/Rane, we need them both. Competition leads to innovation.

Honestly,

+1 on the competition leads to innovation

AKIEM 9:49 PM - 9 April, 2018

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As far as the screen being a game changer, you all stare at waveforms that much?

how much?

I look at it everytime I select a record. How much is that? more than I would like too. apparently you can plug a Mac Mini in and run, that's a game changer. if it's not what is?

dj_soo 9:57 PM - 9 April, 2018

be great for juggling in relative mode - don't have to constantly remember to reset the sticker to 12 or 2 if you incorporate cue points in your juggles.

Jvine 9:59 PM - 9 April, 2018

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As far as the screen being a game changer, you all stare at waveforms that much?

how much?

I look at it everytime I select a record. How much is that? more than I would like too. apparently you can plug a Mac Mini in and run, that's a game changer. if it's not what is?

Wait, so you can select/load tracks from that screen?

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be great for juggling in relative mode - don't have to constantly remember to reset the sticker to 12 or 2 if you incorporate cue points in your juggles.

Good point

Ollieboy 10:29 PM - 9 April, 2018

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be great for juggling in relative mode - don't have to constantly remember to reset the sticker to 12 or 2 if you incorporate cue points in your juggles.

+1 I agree

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:34 PM - 9 April, 2018

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Why clown on people buying new tech,

****Blank stare****

But you JUST got at peoples' neck assuming they don't have the dough to make said purchases...

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Again, if something over $1-2k is out of your league, don't be bitter. People on here talk about paying way more for nice rotary mixers all of the time and there isn't nearly the peanut gallery comments.

Some of you just -love- to be haters, love to bitch and must be envious as hell when people get new gear. If not, you sure act like it.

At this point, it seems like SINCE you spent the dough (or are trying to take advantage of those finance offers...{lmao}, that you're trying to use a Jedi-Mind trick to get everyone to think they missed the boat if they didn't get this 72....

Or are just seriously hoping that this purchase doesn't turn into a nightmare...

There's a lot on the table here, this isn't the old Rane...

or is it?

djaction 11:15 PM - 9 April, 2018

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As far as the screen being a game changer, you all stare at waveforms that much?

how much?

I look at it everytime I select a record. How much is that? more than I would like too. apparently you can plug a Mac Mini in and run, that's a game changer. if it's not what is?

Wait, so you can select/load tracks from that screen?

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be great for juggling in relative mode - don't have to constantly remember to reset the sticker to 12 or 2 if you incorporate cue points in your juggles.

Good point

Yup you can load and select tracks from the touch screen. You can pretty much do and see everything from the mixer.

Gio Alex 11:48 PM - 9 April, 2018

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it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

BIG FACTS!

Ollieboy 12:04 AM - 10 April, 2018

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it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

BIG FACTS!

If this was soley true, then why even get an DJM S9 or even more so, why need any of the mixers that came out in the past 10 years? If the crowds only care about the hottest tracks then just have everyone stay to on standard 2 channel Realistic Radio Shack mixer. If you want take that argument further, hey just play off Spotify or Pandora they play the newest hottest tracks.

Mr. Goodkat 12:07 AM - 10 April, 2018

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I am satisfied with what I got. I also keep up with new tech, but don't see a need for me to buy a 72. You are happy with a 72, and that's awesome.

That's fine, so why are you here giving people shit about it then? That's why I don't get. Why clown on people buying new tech, if anything you should be happy they are exposing any hiccups so when the tipping point reaches you to upgrade down the road, you'll know if the 72 can hold it down like the older SSL gear did.

These forums are filled with bitchy dudes who hate on everyone from bottom feeders to new tech adopters. Or maybe bitter/jealous is a better description?

I am not dropping $3500 on the new setup for the same reason most people aren't, I just don't need it this second. Still hyped for those making the jump, and I have been watching the videos of them in use!

i don't think its all that (bitter/jealous), its just you get to a point of what you really need and what you want to spend money on. I literally bought all the new mixers/decks/cdjs, fiipped em, traded em, and really it didnt matter in the long run, i just wanted a 2 channel mixer, my sub controller a some cdjs or tts.

It was nice to learn the Pioneer 4 channel(800,900) style and the Rane 2 channel(57,62) style so you could walk into pretty much any situation, but overall now every thing is just a clone of those two mixer styles.

The layout of the s9 is a bit different but still it incorporates pretty similar aspects of rane and pioneer mixers.

the 72 def has some cool pad modes and some completely useless pad modes, but clearly its a s9 with a touch screen that looks like a 62 as far as the placement of the knobs and font on the front panel.

The touch screen is a cool selling point, but it is a going to take a year or so to figure out if its solid. How much/long will it cost to get a screen replaced if its cracked? How long will it take if the whole screen goes out? do they have replacements in stock right now? There are a lot of big questions that know one really knows the answer until it happens.

I like the positivity, but just like with the s9, there are gonna be some problems like any consumer electronics.(i think many had the 250$ xfader go out after warranty).

Definitely not mad at buying one but def very cautious with new companies combined with new technologies that havent been used(touch screen)

Illiment 12:07 AM - 10 April, 2018

I personally feel more comfortable straight mixing on a setup that I could cut and do tricks on if I wanted to, and a million times less comfortable on a rigid non-turntablist battle setup Just a personal preference I guess

Mr. Goodkat 12:18 AM - 10 April, 2018

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it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

BIG FACTS!

If this was soley true, then why even get an DJM S9 or even more so, why need any of the mixers that came out in the past 10 years? If the crowds only care about the hottest tracks then just have everyone stay to on standard 2 channel Realistic Radio Shack mixer. If you want take that argument further, hey just play off Spotify or Pandora they play the newest hottest tracks.

well because those mixers were linked to serato and it made it easier to connect and dj. The 57 was the first one that really set things on fire and had a 16 bit/44.1khz sound card .

most of the soundcards did move on from 16/44.1 so there was reason to upgrade for (potentially) better sound. Now most of the highest end mixer have the same specs.

the s9 offered a better xfader than the current crop of other pioneer mixers and had the pads and flip panels, which for some people was key.

when i said the ppl come out for the hottest tracks, you still have to mix and they still should be heard with the best possible sound you or a club can afford.

of course you are being obtuse about the realistic comments but basically there are electronic companies that make mixers to sell. so they put bells an whistles and make strides here an there but those strides are not always to everyone needs. If you are an turntablist or open format dj, these mixer with cues and efx are great, but there are whole other type of dj that goes for sound, dont need pads or millions of midi controlls, like the house/techno guys that play with xones or boutique rotary mixers

Mr. Goodkat 12:19 AM - 10 April, 2018

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realistic comments

realistic mixer comments

slimmjimm 12:56 AM - 10 April, 2018

Twelves are pretty cool. Pretty straight forward, which is exactly what I expected. Build seems good.

Things I would change:

1. Recessed ports, I have to setup disco style at one spot, so there will be a bit of a gap.

2. Actual cue buttons. The touchstrip search is useful, but a more tactile feel for the cues would be nice.

3. In "low torque mode" there is lag when releasing the record. It disappears with the "high" setting.

Gio Alex 1:33 AM - 10 April, 2018

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it will in competitions, but IRL with average crowds that do NOT care about anything other than the newest hot track, it means nothing and is probably detrimental over all to rocking a crowd

BIG FACTS!

If this was soley true, then why even get an DJM S9 or even more so, why need any of the mixers that came out in the past 10 years? If the crowds only care about the hottest tracks then just have everyone stay to on standard 2 channel Realistic Radio Shack mixer. If you want take that argument further, hey just play off Spotify or Pandora they play the newest hottest tracks.

Yawwwwwn.

lvmez 1:55 AM - 10 April, 2018

Can we get back to the topic?

I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

slimmjimm 2:08 AM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

GusGomez 1:53 PM - 10 April, 2018

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Can we get back to the topic?

I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I'll do it this week for sure, wish I would find separate adaptors to have on different vinyl.

YZ 6:33 PM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

See that's the prob I have buying a 1st variation of this thing. I don't see the point of having to drill into shit. Waiting for a mk2, but love the twelve design in general

Aptidda 6:42 PM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

See that's the prob I have buying a 1st variation of this thing. I don't see the point of having to drill into shit. Waiting for a mk2, but love the twelve design in general

Waiting for the mk2? Don't see what they could possibly improve. You will be waiting 5 years ot so I would guess LOL.

Illiment 7:10 PM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

See that's the prob I have buying a 1st variation of this thing. I don't see the point of having to drill into shit. Waiting for a mk2, but love the twelve design in general

They'll probably just come out with pre-drilled CV's at some point.

man y'all are ridiculous lmao

AKIEM 7:13 PM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

See that's the prob I have buying a 1st variation of this thing. I don't see the point of having to drill into shit. Waiting for a mk2, but love the twelve design in general

Waiting for the mk2? Don't see what they could possibly improve. You will be waiting 5 years ot so I would guess LOL.

doubt 5 years, they need options asap.

I posted a list of improvements on Rane.com

...im waiting for a MKIII as long as possible. just like I waited out all the 60 series for the MKII

Gio Alex 7:20 PM - 10 April, 2018

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doubt 5 years, they need options asap.

Word, 5 years is a long ass time. A lot can change in that long time frame. Pio is already on their MK3 models for their controllers.

Rebelguy 7:26 PM - 10 April, 2018

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I just ordered one Twelve from AGIPRO. Excited to test it out. Has anyone changed out the control vinyl yet?

I was going to do it right off the bat, but I didn't have all my drill bits, and I was too eager to run out to the shed. It's a 5 minute operation tops.

See that's the prob I have buying a 1st variation of this thing. I don't see the point of having to drill into shit. Waiting for a mk2, but love the twelve design in general

Waiting for the mk2? Don't see what they could possibly improve. You will be waiting 5 years ot so I would guess LOL.

Rane is an InMusic brand. Expect to see a new model within a year or two.

Taipanic 8:42 PM - 10 April, 2018

If they come out with a non battle style setup at some point I would probably grab a pair.

Rebelguy 9:13 PM - 10 April, 2018

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If they come out with a non battle style setup at some point I would probably grab a pair.

Exactly. Also recess the power and USB jacks.

AKIEM 9:41 PM - 10 April, 2018

simple custom add on could solve that

Gio Alex 10:01 PM - 10 April, 2018

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If they come out with a non battle style setup at some point I would probably grab a pair.

Exactly. Also recess the power and USB jacks.

I said both of those points and everyone in here tried to flame. No reason why the ports couldn't be recessed, and if there's no tonearm what's the point of battle style.

Aptidda 10:15 PM - 10 April, 2018

does the orientation of the pitch slider really make a difference? I doubt they will release an MK2 with the pitch fader in regular orientation.

AKIEM 10:17 PM - 10 April, 2018

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If they come out with a non battle style setup at some point I would probably grab a pair.

Exactly. Also recess the power and USB jacks.

I said both of those points and everyone in here tried to flame. No reason why the ports couldn't be recessed, and if there's no tonearm what's the point of battle style.

The point is recognizing battle position is a standard. Why not use it?

But there's lots of ways to deal with that 1" space. If it's really needed someone will come up with something.

flames

slimmjimm 10:36 PM - 10 April, 2018

Recessed ports are a must, I agree. I was trying to get close to some of the Rane people at DJ Expo to ask a reason why, but dudes were tripping over dicks to get a look at them.

Drilling holes isn’t that much of a deal to me, especially since I will just be using some old CV, and not modifying the actual unit itself, but I could see someone not wanting to do it.

DJ Ozah 10:39 PM - 10 April, 2018

I'm confused....why not use the Vinyl that comes with the unit? It's not like it will ever wear out? Unless you just want different colors n such. Serato/Rane is probably chomping at the bit to sell some accessories.

slimmjimm 10:41 PM - 10 April, 2018

No reason other than you can. Some as getting a skin or something for your mixer.

Djkom 11:05 PM - 10 April, 2018

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Recessed ports are a must, I agree. I was trying to get close to some of the Rane people at DJ Expo to ask a reason why, but dudes were tripping over dicks to get a look at them.

Left/Right angle cables couldn't be a solution?

Anyway, I agree the design could have been a lot better but turntablism is a very special market with a LOT of "purists" who don't want big changes...

Remains me the underrated Numark TTX which is for me the best designed turntable (straight and S arms, recessed ports, switchable pitch orientation, screen...etc) but it didn't hit the masses...

lvmez 11:11 PM - 10 April, 2018

It seems that some of you guys are being to critical. It looks like Rane consulted turntablist when building the twelve. Every high profile hip hop DJ who I have seen videos using it, seem to love it.

Of course there could be minor changes but it's close to perfect for most. It's funny to hear guys already talking about the MK2. You either don't have the funds to buy this one or your being a hater.

AKIEM 11:12 PM - 10 April, 2018

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Recessed ports are a must, I agree. I was trying to get close to some of the Rane people at DJ Expo to ask a reason why, but dudes were tripping over dicks to get a look at them.

Left/Right angle cables couldn't be a solution?

Anyway, I agree the design could have been a lot better but turntablism is a very special market with a LOT of "purists" who don't want big changes...

Remains me the underrated Numark TTX which is for me the best designed turntable (straight and S arms, recessed ports, switchable pitch orientation, screen...etc) but it didn't hit the masses...

hmmm... but the complaints are against breaking tradition...

slimmjimm 11:27 PM - 10 April, 2018

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Recessed ports are a must, I agree. I was trying to get close to some of the Rane people at DJ Expo to ask a reason why, but dudes were tripping over dicks to get a look at them.

Left/Right angle cables couldn't be a solution?

Anyway, I agree the design could have been a lot better but turntablism is a very special market with a LOT of "purists" who don't want big changes...

Remains me the underrated Numark TTX which is for me the best designed turntable (straight and S arms, recessed ports, switchable pitch orientation, screen...etc) but it didn't hit the masses...

Already have the 90 degree cables coming, more of a slight complaint due to the space.

AKIEM 12:04 AM - 11 April, 2018

someone could chop/paint something like this up
www.onlinemetals.com

DJ Reflex 12:12 AM - 11 April, 2018

Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

lvmez 12:19 AM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

Rebelguy 12:34 AM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

Joshua Carl 1:36 AM - 11 April, 2018

everything mentioned aside... from a professional standpoint
I personally cannot standby and not have a piece of gear operates in my realm
with such a drastic improvement on overall sound quality.
most of us are all relatively naive to what a better mixer might sound like of we
dont actually hear it, or if it even exists yet.

when people say they use their SL1 or 57 i applaud their commitment(I still have mine as well) but i question do they posses the ear to even comprehend what they are missing.
or even more so, are they in a situation where a vast improvement in quality
is not something that will effect their final product.
(IE, your jbl eon gen1 arent gonna magically sound dynamic if you jump sound cards)
and often times advances in sound quality is not really an easily explainable justification.
(IE The reason this guy is charging you $100 is he is using a sound card from 2007, i charge 5 because my sound card is from this year and its significantly better.... i mean WOULD ANYONE try to have THAT conversation???)

even if this mixer didnt have all the cool amazing stuff, when i heard it was the Rane2015 sound processing I was excited, but when i HEARD IT, i was SOLD.

slimmjimm 1:43 AM - 11 April, 2018

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DJ Reflex 2:39 AM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

I get that 99% of hip-hop DJs use battle style. I contend, however, that 99% of DJs in general are not hip-hop Djs. I am actually interested in a set of Twelves to replace my SSL - 57 - 1200's set up for certain environments and gigs. I'm just not a hip-hop DJ that needs battle style. If Rane can't build a product that is suitable for how I DJ, then I might not purchase their product... just yet. A slight modification on orientation might change my mind.

DJ Reflex 2:41 AM - 11 April, 2018

I have money to spend - but am not willing to spend it something that isn't going to work for my needs. Great concept... just not my style.

lvmez 2:45 AM - 11 April, 2018

You got it!!!!

They aren't for you. They have enough DJ's buying there product. Rane has been catering to hip hop DJ's for over a decade and have been VERY successful.

*You don't see Pioneer catering to hip hop DJ's and they are making money as well.

Joshua Carl 3:33 AM - 11 April, 2018

For literal decades a fair amount of djs have rotated the 1200 to fit their needs.
It’s not hard, or extraneous to rotate the twelve
90° To the right to achieve that pitch placement.
A couple right angle cables on the left deck and it’s pretty on point with the classic layout

AKIEM 4:26 AM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

Quote:

Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

so the CDJ and all the other controllers that aren't interchangeable are dumb design? smh

dj_soo 5:03 AM - 11 April, 2018

still think recessed like they did with the VL12 would have been a more inclusive choice. Doesn't bother me as I'm perfectly fine with battle style, but I can see how it can annoy club-stylers

6 5:18 AM - 11 April, 2018

Some people can’t even afford a Mac (they have to use their daugher’s Mac).

Anyway, keep on arguing about a mixer you can’t afford on a thread about TWELVES.

😜

Taipanic 2:24 PM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

I think that is correct - Rane did design these for turntablists, scratchers which makes the battle style understandable. Also correct, most DJs are not super battle turntablists. Rane would have done better, IMO, to have designed the controller to be used regular style but could switch to battle style, just like the original 1200 or modular like the TTX. They would have sold a lot more units than they will with a battle style only configuration.
Why non-battle style? I am a mixer/blender, not a scratcher/tablist. I prefer spinning platters without the hassle of needle issues, dust, warpage, etc.. which is why I bought the Denon HS5500s years ago. It is more interactive, closer to true DJing, and visually pleasing to the people that are at my gigs plus would motivate me to go back to using some of the tricks I did use to do - doubling, echoing, some scratching, etc... I don't want to reach to the top of the decks for 5-6 hrs a night to adjust pitch and cues on my regular gigs. Poor design of non recessed ports & plugs don't allow for a clean setup switching these units sideways.

WarpNote 3:21 PM - 11 April, 2018

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Rane 57ftw

Pretty sure the 72 will take over now ;-)

Rebelguy 3:49 PM - 11 April, 2018

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Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

Quote:

Most mixing DJs prefer the pitch fader on the side, not the top (battle style). If this was not an issue, then why are controllers built disco style? You ever see a controller or even a CDJ built with the pitch slider on the top?

I see hip-hop DJs setting TT's sideways, but Rane could have easily made this interchangeable.

Not sure if you are purposely ignoring the obvious BUT Rane made these turntables geared for hip hop DJ’s. 99% of hip hop DJ’s use battle style.

That’s a pretty broad statement to make and a somewhat dumb design move on Rane’s part. Why limit sales?

so the CDJ and all the other controllers that aren't interchangeable are dumb design? smh

But Hip Hop DJs wouldn’t be using CDJs or Controllers. They would be using turntables. Well at least this is what a majority of the “keep it real” people say.

AKIEM 4:31 PM - 11 April, 2018

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But Hip Hop DJs wouldn’t be using CDJs or Controllers. They would be using turntables. Well at least this is what a majority of the “keep it real” people say.

I see quite a lot of hip hop DJs on cdjs and now controllers. But Im talking about the supposedly non-changable design being "dumb". Its "dumb" because it doesn't cater to "you"? laughable.

And I find it hard to believe too many DJs will pass on it the only reason being a half inch gap. I see tons of non-hip-hop and even many hip-hop setups with MUCH more than an inch space between the deck and mixer by design.

AKIEM 4:36 PM - 11 April, 2018

you guys are complaining about all these setups?

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If anything some space is normal for non-hip-hop setups

Rebelguy 9:57 PM - 11 April, 2018

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But Hip Hop DJs wouldn’t be using CDJs or Controllers. They would be using turntables. Well at least this is what a majority of the “keep it real” people say.

I see quite a lot of hip hop DJs on cdjs and now controllers. But Im talking about the supposedly non-changable design being "dumb". Its "dumb" because it doesn't cater to "you"? laughable.

And I find it hard to believe too many DJs will pass on it the only reason being a half inch gap. I see tons of non-hip-hop and even many hip-hop setups with MUCH more than an inch space between the deck and mixer by design.

Great. You are the ultimate designer of dj gear and I am sure that it will be a huge hit for Rane. I was wrong to comment. Every DJ in the world loves the battle style layout.

AKIEM 2:12 AM - 12 April, 2018

sigh, no bro, I was wrong. You are the ultimate designer of dj gear. And Rane is wrong, the 12 will clearly be a huge flop. No one will ever be able to deal with that gap or come up with any solutions. They are dumb for embracing any of this hippity hoppity battle fad nonsense. I'm pretty sure if they don't replace the 72 faders with rotary pots on the next batch and drop an analog CDJ clone asap - well shit, they might sink InMusic altogether. <3

Joshua Carl 5:03 AM - 12 April, 2018

NOT TODAY SATAN!!!

Djkom 5:42 AM - 12 April, 2018

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sigh, no bro, I was wrong. You are the ultimate designer of dj gear. And Rane is wrong, the 12 will clearly be a huge flop. No one will ever be able to deal with that gap or come up with any solutions. They are dumb for embracing any of this hippity hoppity battle fad nonsense. I'm pretty sure if they don't replace the 72 faders with rotary pots on the next batch and drop an analog CDJ clone asap - well shit, they might sink InMusic altogether. <3

Without saying the 12s will be a huge flop, I'm quite sure it will not be a top seller or reach Rane's sells expectations...

Djkom 5:59 AM - 12 April, 2018

And you know the reasons why?
Because:
1. Turntablists have already their loved analog turntables and they will NOT change them for the 12s.
2. Price tag is quite high (out bedroom turntablists)
3. Only Serato compatible (out Traktor and Rekordbox djs)
4. Not so advanced design (out traditional layout djs)
5. Bulky anz heavy (out mobile djs)
6. The 2nd hand market is already full of cheap but very reliable analog turntables
7. Clubs will not have them in the booth
8. Phase dj is around the corner
9. Denon or Numark will probably soon make a new sc3900 or ns7
10. Pioneer will probably make something...(pure speculation but it makes sense)

AKIEM 6:12 AM - 12 April, 2018

You are absolutely correct. Rane should have dropped a cheap lite plastic static analog... basically they should have just slapped 'Rane' on the lowest tear Hanpin record player and CD player, sell them two for one. Boom they would have sold like crazy - dumb ass Rane.

AKIEM 6:13 AM - 12 April, 2018

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NOT TODAY SATAN!!!

lol

Djkom 9:54 AM - 12 April, 2018

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You are absolutely correct. Rane should have dropped a cheap lite plastic static analog... basically they should have just slapped 'Rane' on the lowest tear Hanpin record player and CD player, sell them two for one. Boom they would have sold like crazy - dumb ass Rane.

You know which turntable was the top seller 2017 (by far) ???
=> BOOM the Numark PT01 Scratch: a pure plastic analog gear !!!

I'm talking about sells not build quality ! The Rane is a very good product maybe it hits the market a bit too late and could have been better design ( pith orientation, recessed cables..etc). But like said I'm afraid it will not be a top seller or even widely used....

Aptidda 4:28 PM - 12 April, 2018

Rane guaranteed has already over exceeded their wildest expectations on the 12. Hopefully the price drops before Christmas!

The Times 4:34 PM - 12 April, 2018

aye aye aye...
but on the real, im smooth waiting for Numark to drop their versions of the 12 and 72.
Sure the build quality will not be as great, but thats what cases are for ;)

Djkom 5:31 PM - 12 April, 2018

BIM, just when talking about the 12s, DJWORX has just written an interesting article over innovations on djs gears:

djworx.com

DJ Marv the Maverick 9:17 PM - 12 April, 2018

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BIM, just when talking about the 12s, DJWORX has just written an interesting article over innovations on djs gears:

djworx.com

2nd article relating to the Twelves/72 by DJ Worx since the market availability. The other blogs didn't even find it newsworthy.

Wonder why?

All the buzz is just here on the Serato forums. Almost like Serato pushing it solo.

Thomann and many UK DJ stores don't even have it yet for sale.

Available 30th of May www.thomann.de

And that's one of the biggest equipment stores in Europe. InMusic surely has a peculiar way with everything.

AKIEM 12:36 AM - 13 April, 2018

say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

Bondage 6:13 AM - 13 April, 2018

I had:

CDJ 1000mk3, 2000mk1/2/3
EFX 500, 1000
RMX 500, 1000
DJM 450, 800, 900nxs, 900nxs2, DJM 909
Xone 92, DB4
Denon 3700/3900
Technis SL DZ 1200, M5G, MK2, MK5
Rane MP 2016, 56S, 62, 68, 64

Test first your gear and give then opinions !! Rane for me is the most magic brand. The sound and build quality is crazy !!

I sold my 2000 nxs2 and DJM nxs2 and Rmx 1000 back in December for the new Rane kit.

My MBA 2014 worked not nice with serato and now have MBP 2017 15 inch but i hate the big laptop screen. Connecting a mac mini on the twelve like someone said here would be MEGA !! For the rest the products are fine and nothing REALY upset me.

- no send return :( … Rane + EFX 1000 is mega fun …
- Rane Twelve should have worked together with technics for the spinning platter … That would have been a MEGA GOAL !!

- the battle possition? We are humans, we can adapt fast … And if not, just turn it lol :p Don’t care about that ))

fvckJuly 6:47 AM - 13 April, 2018

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BIM, just when talking about the 12s, DJWORX has just written an interesting article over innovations on djs gears:

djworx.com

see, this is exactly what's wrong with. what about the 12 or the 72 is "gamechanging"? only thing "gamechanging" is that a trusted, "high end" company decided to adopt technology from 10 years ago and sell it to the pros. and y'all are buying.

fvckJuly 6:47 AM - 13 April, 2018

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what's wrong with.

the industry***

Djkom 7:36 AM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

DJ Irv 11:59 AM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

co-sign

GusGomez 12:29 PM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

I can see Phase being successful if the battery is successful meaning that it stays charge you know that batteries over time die faster and faster and I think that’s gonna be a big fear for DJ’s...as far as the TWELVE I have them and I love them I think paired with the 72 it’s truly a perfect match because of the USB hubs and 0 latency but not too many DJs wanna spend $700 on a one trick pony (midi controller) but if you’re like me tired of buying expensive stylus and just want the feel of vinyl without the need to play real vinyl then there’s really nothing to complaint about.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:52 PM - 13 April, 2018

LMAO! STILL hanging on da nuts! SMH @ you not doing your homework...

Somebody said you died in a mudslide...

Oh well...

Bwhahahahhaha

DJ Ozah 1:04 PM - 13 April, 2018

Not sure why people keep using the battery excuse in 2018. If the power goes out your DJ Set is DOA 99% of the time because who has a back up genorator in the venue? Does that stop folks from performing...nope. The only concern is IF the batteries go bad how long is the warranty and is it user replacable. (Can they ship a replacement or can we order extra batteries) If Phase dies during your 8-10 hour set...simple solution. You are using a TT yes? Ah great....move the tone arm to the CV and look at that!!!!! Your set can continue for another 10 hours......

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:05 PM - 13 April, 2018

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If Phase dies during your 8-10 hour set...simple solution. You are using a TT yes? Ah great....move the tone arm to the CV and look at that!!!!! Your set can continue for another 10 hours......

You know DAMN WELL that if they start using the Phase, they're gonna leave those heavy azz needles home...

Logisticalstyles 1:49 PM - 13 April, 2018

LOL!

Aptidda 3:22 PM - 13 April, 2018

Phase is a conspiracy and a joke. If you had the funds you would buy a 12, quit making excuses for your broke @sses.

GusGomez 3:25 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Phase is a conspiracy and a joke. If you had the funds you would buy a 12, quit making excuses for your broke @sses.

Dude come down everything is not for everybody

Aptidda 3:43 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Phase is a conspiracy and a joke. If you had the funds you would buy a 12, quit making excuses for your broke @sses.

Dude come down everything is not for everybody

Coming "down" not my thing. I am pretty much always coming "up" and making power moves. Bought a house in the Bay Area and got my 72 on the same day. I would call that coming up you manufactured home living trailer park trash.

GusGomez 3:49 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Phase is a conspiracy and a joke. If you had the funds you would buy a 12, quit making excuses for your broke @sses.

Dude come down everything is not for everybody

Coming "down" not my thing. I am pretty much always coming "up" and making power moves. Bought a house in the Bay Area and got my 72 on the same day. I would call that coming up you manufactured home living trailer park trash.

Trailer park trash? Lol this guy needs to be in the special class ...go find out about me and see where I’m at you bought a lil house that’s cool and the 72 that’s cool too....we gonna be petty then let’s be petty I have 4 houses including Florida the DMV and punta cana and dj gear come on bro stop it...(Prime series Got It , 72 and twelves got it...S9 and PLX 1000s got it) so please stop it kid

The Return of Dj Sparky 4:04 PM - 13 April, 2018

Dude reminds me of a console fanboy, the 12 is nothing more then a bigger numark v7, at lease the phase brings new tech to the dj world,

The phase will smoke the sales of the 72 and 12 combined,

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a mk2 12 in a year open to all dj software

Ollieboy 4:09 PM - 13 April, 2018

Is it possible to produce scratches with the 12's that require any type vinyl manipulation? Say like some cuts that Mike and Qbert do.
serato.com

GusGomez 4:10 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Dude reminds me of a console fanboy, the 12 is nothing more then a bigger numark v7, at lease the phase brings new tech to the dj world,

The phase will smoke the sales of the 72 and 12 combined,

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a mk2 12 in a year open to all dj software

I think They’ll open the 12 Mk I witching 6 months I don’t se why not

The Return of Dj Sparky 4:14 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Is it possible to produce scratches with the 12's that require any type vinyl manipulation? Say like some cuts that Mike and Qbert do.
serato.com

I'm sure there is, same with the rane 12 it only tracks forward and back, like the phase and dvs

djaction 4:31 PM - 13 April, 2018

lol this guy

i own the 72 and while it's a massive upgrade from my 57.. it's really nothing special.

I hate Pioneer mixers at this point but Pioneer effects will always be better.

Mr. Goodkat 4:38 PM - 13 April, 2018

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Phase is a conspiracy and a joke. If you had the funds you would buy a 12, quit making excuses for your broke @sses.

Dude come down everything is not for everybody

Coming "down" not my thing. I am pretty much always coming "up" and making power moves. Bought a house in the Bay Area and got my 72 on the same day. I would call that coming up you manufactured home living trailer park trash.

that closet sized bedroom was impressive

GusGomez 4:38 PM - 13 April, 2018

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lol this guy

i own the 72 and while it's a massive upgrade from my 57.. it's really nothing special.

I hate Pioneer mixers at this point but Pioneer effects will always be better.

Agree 100% the pioneer echo is amazing the Rane echo sounds very low

Djkom 4:44 PM - 13 April, 2018

The 12s will be not supported by Rekordbox neither Traktor because they're flagged "Serato" ....maybe by Virtual DJ but I don't think so.

Moreover, I'm quit sure the 12s use a special HID communication so midi mapping will not be accurate.

The more I talk about the 12s the more I realize the sc3900 was (and still is) the best ever motorized player/controller !
Sc3900 + Rane 72 is da bomb:
- can be used is any DVS (Serato, Rekordbox, Traktor...)
- can be used in standalone mode (cd or usb)
- quite portable
- perfect vynil size
- no battle vs traditional orientation issues
- no needle, perfect audio signal circle in hybrid mode
- and so on and so on....

Chino 6:43 PM - 13 April, 2018

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The more I talk about the 12s the more I realize the sc3900 was (and still is) the best ever motorized player/controller !
Sc3900 + Rane 72 is da bomb:
- can be used is any DVS (Serato, Rekordbox, Traktor...)
- can be used in standalone mode (cd or usb)
- quite portable
- perfect vynil size
- no battle vs traditional orientation issues
- no needle, perfect audio signal circle in hybrid mode
- and so on and so on....

+1 I'm keeping my 3900s for now. I need to see how well they work with the Rane 72.

AKIEM 7:42 PM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

What? That's why I axed what the actual numbers are they expect to sell. Real Facts, no guessing, no alternative.

You can't see they are marketing to a certain segment of DJs - not all DJs? Rane never tried to sell to 'all djs' and no reason to start since InMusic covers the rest of the market. Bottom line ain't only about number of units otherwise they would drop some bright colored headphones and call it day.

And the 61 didn't get discontinued because someone demoed a cheaper mixer or wireless attachment or some shit. ha. Probably to make way for the 57MKII.

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OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

First, you comparing oranges and apples. But are we talking money son? You saying in 3 years the Rane Twelve will be discontinued without a successor? OK what?

DJ Ozah 7:47 PM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

What? That's why I axed what the actual numbers are they expect to sell. Real Facts, no guessing, no alternative.

You can't see they are marketing to a certain segment of DJs - not all DJs? Rane never tried to sell to 'all djs' and no reason to start since InMusic covers the rest of the market. Bottom line ain't only about number of units otherwise they would drop some bright colored headphones and call it day.

And the 61 didn't get discontinued because someone demoed a cheaper mixer or wireless attachment or some shit. ha. Probably to make way for the 57MKII.

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OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

First, you comparing oranges and apples. But are we talking money son? You saying in 3 years the Rane Twelve will be discontinued without a successor? OK what?

Well Phase DJ just announced Pre-Sale so the Rane 12 killer is approaching release which is just horrible timing for Rane. I feel bad for them. If PDJ comes out street under $500 it will be a steal compared to $1,400. A person gets to use their existing TT's and have a back up function ( needles) if they fail or the batteries die. The 72 however will be safe for I'm guessing 3-4yrs until the S9 MKII shows up even then it will still be a viable option for many who dislike Pioneer products IMO.

GusGomez 7:49 PM - 13 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

What? That's why I axed what the actual numbers are they expect to sell. Real Facts, no guessing, no alternative.

You can't see they are marketing to a certain segment of DJs - not all DJs? Rane never tried to sell to 'all djs' and no reason to start since InMusic covers the rest of the market. Bottom line ain't only about number of units otherwise they would drop some bright colored headphones and call it day.

And the 61 didn't get discontinued because someone demoed a cheaper mixer or wireless attachment or some shit. ha. Probably to make way for the 57MKII.

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OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

First, you comparing oranges and apples. But are we talking money son? You saying in 3 years the Rane Twelve will be discontinued without a successor? OK what?

Well Phase DJ just announced Pre-Sale so the Rane 12 killer is approaching release which is just horrible timing for Rane. I feel bad for them. If PDJ comes out street under $500 it will be a steal compared to $1,400. A person gets to use their existing TT's and have a back up function ( needles) if they fail or the batteries die. The 72 however will be safe for I'm guessing 3-4yrs until the S9 MKII shows up even then it will still be a viable option for many who dislike Pioneer products IMO.

The price is actually $300 -$350 for the pair

Mr. Goodkat 9:25 PM - 13 April, 2018

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lol this guy

i own the 72 and while it's a massive upgrade from my 57.. it's really nothing special.

I hate Pioneer mixers at this point but Pioneer effects will always be better.

Agree 100% the pioneer echo is amazing the Rane echo sounds very low

to me the pioneer echo gets really out of control times. The rane echo sounds quiet but on big systems its sounds perfect imo

same thing with rane and pio filters, the filters add too much gain for my like, but at least with the s9 you can adjust the resonance to your taste to less the gain boost

dj_soo 1:16 AM - 14 April, 2018

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The more I talk about the 12s the more I realize the sc3900 was (and still is) the best ever motorized player/controller !
Sc3900 + Rane 72 is da bomb:
- can be used is any DVS (Serato, Rekordbox, Traktor...)
- can be used in standalone mode (cd or usb)
- quite portable
- perfect vynil size
- no battle vs traditional orientation issues
- no needle, perfect audio signal circle in hybrid mode
- and so on and so on....

I own a pair and while they are awesome and my go-to deck at this point, I'd still rather have the Twelves just due to the significant sticker drift, the poor placement of buttons (moot if you have a 72/S9 I guess), and problems with handling slow drags.

Still, for the size and weight, I prefer to play on my 3900s over turntables unless I'm doing more scratching than not.

dj_soo 1:17 AM - 14 April, 2018

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+1 I'm keeping my 3900s for now. I need to see how well they work with the Rane 72.

I mean, it's just producing timecode signal so probably the same as any serato mixer.

dj_spark 6:02 AM - 14 April, 2018

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I had:

CDJ 1000mk3, 2000mk1/2/3
EFX 500, 1000
RMX 500, 1000
DJM 450, 800, 900nxs, 900nxs2, DJM 909
Xone 92, DB4
Denon 3700/3900
Technis SL DZ 1200, M5G, MK2, MK5
Rane MP 2016, 56S, 62, 68, 64

Test first your gear and give then opinions !! Rane for me is the most magic brand. The sound and build quality is crazy !!

I sold my 2000 nxs2 and DJM nxs2 and Rmx 1000 back in December for the new Rane kit.

You've got so many gears an money spent and you dare to say that the "Rane sound [...] is crazy". Are you serious ?
We don't know each other, I never heard a Rane 72 playing for now, but I never heard a Rane-Serato mixer with a good sound, these things are simply awful.

It's like those Peavey gears, the sound is muddy, arsh, not detailled, the high end have a filter, the sub only kick doesn't have that low end.
Please, put a Rane 62 beside a DJM 850 (not even a 900NXS) and listen to them.

You must be the kind of guys that had a Vestax PMC back in the days and though the sound was better than the Technics SH-DJ1200.

dj_soo 6:26 AM - 14 April, 2018

You’re on crack.

Rane sound shits all over the pioneer gear.

dj_spark 9:14 AM - 14 April, 2018

I'm talking of sound quality (technical) you're talking of personal preferences (emotional)
Here is what you said on Facebook :

"* Sound quality: I'll admit, the mixer sounds good. I generally do not like the sound quality of Pioneer mixers, but the S9 sounds great - maybe even better than the 62 although it pains me to say because I think the Rane 62 sounds fantastic. It still has a little bit of the overly-bright sound compared to a warmer, flatter sound on the Rane, but the clarity definitely shines and it doesn't have the over-gainy sound that I hate on the 900s. Hopefully, Pioneer has turned the corner on sound quality because I've never liked the way their mixers sounded."

I do understand that you don't like how the sound is setup on Pioneer gears, I don't like too because it is not straight but in term of dynamic, clarity and range I'm sorry Pioneer is superior to Rane.

But it's like sampler preferences back in the days, some prefer Akai, other Roland and others E-mu, and each of them have there sound signature.

Simply record the mixers outputs with a pink noise at differents levels and put them into an audio editor with a spectrum analyzer.

You don't like it, I prefer it even if not perfect, we don't have the same taste. Have a good day.

HighTopFade 9:58 AM - 14 April, 2018

Wow! Rane Twelve MIDI Controller turned into a sound quality thread.

Bondage 12:58 PM - 14 April, 2018

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I'm talking of sound quality (technical) you're talking of personal preferences (emotional)
Here is what you said on Facebook :

"* Sound quality: I'll admit, the mixer sounds good. I generally do not like the sound quality of Pioneer mixers, but the S9 sounds great - maybe even better than the 62 although it pains me to say because I think the Rane 62 sounds fantastic. It still has a little bit of the overly-bright sound compared to a warmer, flatter sound on the Rane, but the clarity definitely shines and it doesn't have the over-gainy sound that I hate on the 900s. Hopefully, Pioneer has turned the corner on sound quality because I've never liked the way their mixers sounded."

I do understand that you don't like how the sound is setup on Pioneer gears, I don't like too because it is not straight but in term of dynamic, clarity and range I'm sorry Pioneer is superior to Rane.

But it's like sampler preferences back in the days, some prefer Akai, other Roland and others E-mu, and each of them have there sound signature.

Simply record the mixers outputs with a pink noise at differents levels and put them into an audio editor with a spectrum analyzer.

You don't like it, I prefer it even if not perfect, we don't have the same taste. Have a good day.

Dammmmmnnnn you must have shit ears or a fucking low IQ brain, or you receive cash from Pioneer to say such shit

Bondage 1:07 PM - 14 April, 2018

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sticker drift

Does the Twelve have sticker drift? Lol :p I hope not :p

AKIEM 1:35 PM - 14 April, 2018

Pioneer borrows from the Russians or something, where's all this fake news come from?

dj_spark 1:53 PM - 14 April, 2018

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Dammmmmnnnn you must have shit ears or a fucking low IQ brain, or you receive cash from Pioneer to say such shit

Sure, that's why most of the DJs switching from 62 to S9 heard a difference, but you didn't...

- shit ears : I do protect mine but that's not the case usually for djs arround.
- low IQ brain : I'm not known for this but if you like it, go with it !
- receiving cash from Pioneer : not really, and you, do you from Rane ?

I really love how well I could try to elaborate an answer or proove a point, and how bully the answers flew with no arguments, no construction, only calling me name. Always nice to have discussion even in these conditions.

dj_soo 7:10 PM - 14 April, 2018

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I'm talking of sound quality (technical) you're talking of personal preferences (emotional)
Here is what you said on Facebook :

"* Sound quality: I'll admit, the mixer sounds good. I generally do not like the sound quality of Pioneer mixers, but the S9 sounds great - maybe even better than the 62 although it pains me to say because I think the Rane 62 sounds fantastic. It still has a little bit of the overly-bright sound compared to a warmer, flatter sound on the Rane, but the clarity definitely shines and it doesn't have the over-gainy sound that I hate on the 900s. Hopefully, Pioneer has turned the corner on sound quality because I've never liked the way their mixers sounded."

I do understand that you don't like how the sound is setup on Pioneer gears, I don't like too because it is not straight but in term of dynamic, clarity and range I'm sorry Pioneer is superior to Rane.

But it's like sampler preferences back in the days, some prefer Akai, other Roland and others E-mu, and each of them have there sound signature.

Simply record the mixers outputs with a pink noise at differents levels and put them into an audio editor with a spectrum analyzer.

You don't like it, I prefer it even if not perfect, we don't have the same taste. Have a good day.

That was my initial listen on my first try with the mixer. I have since a/b’d and used it a bunch more and while the s9, and nxs2 sound better than the older mixers, the low end on pioneer mixers don’t hold up to the 62.

6 11:03 PM - 14 April, 2018

Now the discussion moves to who has more houses? On a thread about TWELVES?

Golden

PS. Love how a little comment hurts them battle losers.

Cause you know it’s true.

🤣

lvmez 11:11 PM - 14 April, 2018

Just got my Twelve today. Its a great piece of equipment. I love the build quality. Instant doubles on a rotary mixer worked flawlessly.

It's not for everyone. I wish guys who never intended to buy it or can not afford it would stop bashing. You guys are talking like Rane is Gemini. Wether it is your cup or tea or not, It is still a very high end piece of equipment.

AKIEM 11:13 PM - 14 April, 2018

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say, where did you guys get the figures on Rane sales expectations, what are the numbers?

You think Rane is a charity company ? They do all this teasing, advertising, marketing...just to sell the 12s to a limited djs ? Rane 12s is a limited edition ?The Rane 61 has been discontinued because it was a top seller ??? Come on, put your ego beside and let's argue on "real" facts or something we cannot deny.

What? That's why I axed what the actual numbers are they expect to sell. Real Facts, no guessing, no alternative.

You can't see they are marketing to a certain segment of DJs - not all DJs? Rane never tried to sell to 'all djs' and no reason to start since InMusic covers the rest of the market. Bottom line ain't only about number of units otherwise they would drop some bright colored headphones and call it day.

And the 61 didn't get discontinued because someone demoed a cheaper mixer or wireless attachment or some shit. ha. Probably to make way for the 57MKII.

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OK let's bid something here: I'm quite sure Phase DJ will be a lot more successful than the Rane 12s which will be discontinued in less than 3 years (2021) !!!

First, you comparing oranges and apples. But are we talking money son? You saying in 3 years the Rane Twelve will be discontinued without a successor? OK what?

Well Phase DJ just announced Pre-Sale so the Rane 12 killer is approaching release which is just horrible timing for Rane. I feel bad for them. If PDJ comes out street under $500 it will be a steal compared to $1,400. A person gets to use their existing TT's and have a back up function ( needles) if they fail or the batteries die. The 72 however will be safe for I'm guessing 3-4yrs until the S9 MKII shows up even then it will still be a viable option for many who dislike Pioneer products IMO.

I thought we had a bet?

and lol @ still trying to compare oranges to apples, two entirely different products and ur comparing prices.

Bondage 8:41 AM - 15 April, 2018

Q bert spinning
Watch www.youtube.com

Djkom 9:49 AM - 15 April, 2018

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I thought we had a bet?

and lol @ still trying to compare oranges to apples, two entirely different products and ur comparing prices.

If you can't see that Phase DJ and Rane 12 are directly in competition I cannot help you bro'...

Trains and airplanes are completely different technology, right? But they both provides the same service, no ?

We are just saying Phase DJ will hurt a lot Rane 12 sells because of all reasons we've detailed previously!

Once again, Rane 12 is a good product but definitely not on the right time...

6 1:53 PM - 15 April, 2018

Trains and airplanes are completely different technology, right? But they both provides the same service, no?

Apples and oranges are completely different but they still provide you nutrients. No?

😂🤣

AKIEM 2:35 PM - 15 April, 2018

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I thought we had a bet?

and lol @ still trying to compare oranges to apples, two entirely different products and ur comparing prices.

If you can't see that Phase DJ and Rane 12 are directly in competition I cannot help you bro'...

you mean 'indirect'

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Trains and airplanes are completely different technology, right? But they both provides the same service, no ?

We are just saying Phase DJ will hurt a lot Rane 12 sells because of all reasons we've detailed previously!

that's all you said now? lol

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Once again, Rane 12 is a good product but definitely not on the right time...

This piece has been requested of Rane for over 10 years. But anytime DJ's are still buying 1200s and knock offs to use for DVS is a fine time to drop it. Same with Phase DJ, would have been good to have ten years ago too.

So no bet then right? figures.

Bondage 3:49 PM - 15 April, 2018

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I thought we had a bet?

and lol @ still trying to compare oranges to apples, two entirely different products and ur comparing prices.

If you can't see that Phase DJ and Rane 12 are directly in competition I cannot help you bro'...

you mean 'indirect'

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Trains and airplanes are completely different technology, right? But they both provides the same service, no ?

We are just saying Phase DJ will hurt a lot Rane 12 sells because of all reasons we've detailed previously!

that's all you said now? lol

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Once again, Rane 12 is a good product but definitely not on the right time...

This piece has been requested of Rane for over 10 years. But anytime DJ's are still buying 1200s and knock offs to use for DVS is a fine time to drop it. Same with Phase DJ, would have been good to have ten years ago too.

So no bet then right? figures.

Turntables are hot today !! Reloop, Pioneer, Denon, New Technics ... It's a dammmm good moment today !! People that have turntables have them for the feel ... That market will always be there. I started with cdj 1000 mk3 as my first kit ... They told me it was the "top" ... But then i used that magic wheel of steel MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD ... If this Twelve will have no latency or sticker drift then it will KILL Phase, mark my words.

Djkom 6:25 PM - 15 April, 2018

Ok I'm done with you guys, just wait and see and let's make an appointment later (even in the end of this year)

Just follow forums, social medias, hashtags, shops ...etc to see how popular is the Rane 12 and Phase DJ (and maybe something else new ;-) )

DJ Ozah 8:08 PM - 15 April, 2018

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I thought we had a bet?

and lol @ still trying to compare oranges to apples, two entirely different products and ur comparing prices.

If you can't see that Phase DJ and Rane 12 are directly in competition I cannot help you bro'...

you mean 'indirect'

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Trains and airplanes are completely different technology, right? But they both provides the same service, no ?

We are just saying Phase DJ will hurt a lot Rane 12 sells because of all reasons we've detailed previously!

that's all you said now? lol

Quote:

Once again, Rane 12 is a good product but definitely not on the right time...

This piece has been requested of Rane for over 10 years. But anytime DJ's are still buying 1200s and knock offs to use for DVS is a fine time to drop it. Same with Phase DJ, would have been good to have ten years ago too.

So no bet then right? figures.

Turntables are hot today !! Reloop, Pioneer, Denon, New Technics ... It's a dammmm good moment today !! People that have turntables have them for the feel ... That market will always be there. I started with cdj 1000 mk3 as my first kit ... They told me it was the "top" ... But then i used that magic wheel of steel MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD ... If this Twelve will have no latency or sticker drift then it will KILL Phase, mark my words.

Is Rane 12 stand alone? Does it play Vinyl? Can I just hook up a powered speaker and rock the crowd with it? No? Ok so its a midi controller. Calm down. Its just as dependant on other tech as Phase DJ. The only difference is Phase can work on any Turntable in existance. That means folks can spend less. Use the price difference to Upgrade a sub or some tops.

Bondage 8:21 PM - 15 April, 2018

Dj gear is mucho money for shit (( If you buy a guitar for 4000 dollar then in 10 years it is still worth the 4000 dollar ... Dj gear not (( Phase looks very nice for less money. But if you have the money then you buy the Rane and a Technics GR just to play the vinyl ... Admit that, just admit that ...

Is Rane 12 stand alone? Does it play Vinyl? Can I just hook up a powered speaker and rock the crowd with it? No? Ok so its a midi controller. Calm down. Its just as dependant on other tech as Phase DJ. The only difference is Phase can work on any Turntable in existance. That means folks can spend less. Use the price difference to Upgrade a sub or some tops.

Joshua Carl 8:49 PM - 15 April, 2018

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Is Rane 12 stand alone? Does it play Vinyl? Can I just hook up a powered speaker and rock the crowd with it? No?

That statement is not entirely accurate
instagram.com

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:27 PM - 15 April, 2018

LMAO @ Oranges..

Yep, nothings changed...sigh.

AKIEM 10:29 PM - 15 April, 2018

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Ok I'm done with you guys, just wait and see and let's make an appointment later (even in the end of this year)

Just follow forums, social medias, hashtags, shops ...etc to see how popular is the Rane 12 and Phase DJ (and maybe something else new ;-) )

what about that bet tho?

Michael R 11:27 PM - 15 April, 2018

Please chill out on the personal insults or I'll lock the thread.

Carry on.

6 11:31 PM - 15 April, 2018

I think the TWELVES will sell just fine. There are those who can afford them and buy them vs those who can’t even afford their own car and have to use their work van.

Either way. If you want them and fit within your budget, get them.

😉

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:43 AM - 16 April, 2018

Again, it seems like a 3500.00 controller at the end of the day....

But you know, one's ability to budget that might come into question, especially if they can't do stuff like that due to a failed marriage as an example.

Ollieboy 5:08 AM - 16 April, 2018

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

dj_soo 7:01 AM - 16 April, 2018

It is a $3500 controller that can also use other media devices. At the end of the day, a pioneer NXS setup is also a $6500 controller setup - just one that doesn't require a laptop.

Djkom 7:30 AM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

I agree to disagree that's why I want my bet AKIEM 😅

6 7:49 AM - 16 April, 2018

It’s just a controller guys. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can’t or don’t want to buy it then don’t. Sweating others who are looking to buy it or bought it because you have reasons not to buy it makes you look like a chump.... and at the end of the day, it won’t win you any battles.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:18 PM - 16 April, 2018

Agreeing to disagree works wonders....Judgement for the plaintiff!

AKIEM 1:40 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

I agree to disagree that's why I want my bet AKIEM 😅

OK. agreed.

How much?

Illiment 1:57 PM - 16 April, 2018

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and at the end of the day, it won’t win you any battles.

I see what you did there

DJ Ozah 3:54 PM - 16 April, 2018

This thread won't make it much longer lol!!!

Djkom 8:24 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

I agree to disagree that's why I want my bet AKIEM 😅

OK. agreed.

How much?

799$ 😂😂😂

pdidy 8:40 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

NO, debate is GOOD......Its only the personal insults that are BAD for this thread.

Michael R 8:40 PM - 16 April, 2018

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NO, debate is GOOD......Its only the personal insults that are BAD for this thread.

^THIS

pdidy 8:52 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Q bert spinning
Watch www.youtube.com

Very interesting vid......Anybody notice the natural hand positions of qbert and the areas of the wax that he uses?

DJ Marv the Maverick 9:01 PM - 16 April, 2018

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Q bert spinning
Watch www.youtube.com

Very interesting vid......Anybody notice the natural hand positions of qbert and the areas of the wax that he uses?

Not a turntablist but I did notice

1. He didn't have waveforms on the mixer
2. He wasn't looking at the laptop

I'm guessing he was testing for any drift....it looks/sounds precise ie no drift in the video.

AKIEM 9:13 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Can we all just "agree to disagree"? Ok cool.

I agree to disagree that's why I want my bet AKIEM 😅

OK. agreed.

How much?

799$ 😂😂😂

how about a real number, we know you ain't working with that one.

$299?

AKIEM 9:15 PM - 16 April, 2018

Quote:

Q bert spinning
Watch www.youtube.com

Very interesting vid......Anybody notice the natural hand positions of qbert and the areas of the wax that he uses?

I was going to mention, then thought why bother... he should adapt of course

DJ Irv 12:24 AM - 17 April, 2018

Qbert got them direct from Rane and I'm sure they were free or beyond dirt cheap.

lvmez 2:21 AM - 17 April, 2018

instagram.com

Joshua Carl 4:08 AM - 17 April, 2018

Here’s some good footage of the 72/twelve event we threw today in Boston.
These cats worked this gear HARD (especially that last hour)

www.facebook.com

Bondage 5:10 AM - 17 April, 2018

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Qbert got them direct from Rane and I'm sure they were free or beyond dirt cheap.

Back in the days (maybe still today) Pioneer gived free gear to clubs ...

Bondage 5:13 AM - 17 April, 2018

If the Twelve works good then why a club would not buy the Twelve? If he see that there dj's always just use Serato ...

If a bar is smart ... Not anymore paying for stylus, no thiefs that take the stylus ... bla bla bla

Quote:

Q bert spinning
Watch www.youtube.com

Very interesting vid......Anybody notice the natural hand positions of qbert and the areas of the wax that he uses?

Not a turntablist but I did notice

1. He didn't have waveforms on the mixer
2. He wasn't looking at the laptop

I'm guessing he was testing for any drift....it looks/sounds precise ie no drift in the video.

pdidy 7:55 AM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Qbert got them direct from Rane and I'm sure they were free or beyond dirt cheap.

www.instagram.com
According to his Instagram they appear to have been free and rane would've been crazy if they didn't.

dj_soo 8:43 AM - 17 April, 2018

I mean, that's how you do it right? Give the top names the gear and ask for some videos in return.

It's what they should have done more with the Denon Prime stuff - just wholesale give it to not only high profile DJs, but also high profile festivals.

DJ Irv 11:51 AM - 17 April, 2018

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If the Twelve works good then why a club would not buy the Twelve? If he see that there dj's always just use Serato ...

Because they already have turntables and/or CDJ's. They see no need to spend $1600 dollars to fix a non-existent problem. Just getting bars to fix something is difficult getting them to spend $1600, I just can't see it happening.

If a bar is smart ... Not anymore paying for stylus, no thiefs that take the stylus ... bla bla bla

Bars in the USA have never supplied needles. DJ's here usually bring their own.

I'm curious to see if Rane will give Twelves/SeventyTwo to some of the well known clubs in NYC like Cielo and Output. Although, there people who still play real vinyl custom dub plates here and they'll need real turntables for that.

All signs right now point to the Twelve being the next 61 and Phase being the next SL1

Djkom 12:56 PM - 17 April, 2018

Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

Joshua Carl 12:58 PM - 17 April, 2018

Isn’t that a Prime? www.bhphotovideo.com

Bondage 1:03 PM - 17 April, 2018

Yeah would be dope ))

Quote:

Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

Djkom 1:03 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Isn’t that a Prime? www.bhphotovideo.com

Look carefully, you will notice something new and very interesting .... hint: compare it to the Denon VL12 ;-)

fvckJuly 1:23 PM - 17 April, 2018

hard to take a close look with a potato shot like that, but looks just like a regular SC5000 to me.

Djkom 1:59 PM - 17 April, 2018

The sc5000 has a color screen on the platter...but the one doesn't have it
The sc5000 has illumination on the top of the platter...not on the base

Bondage 2:27 PM - 17 April, 2018

Somebody have interest in my Rane Twelve -> PM me pls...

ps. i need to wait first when they ship my Rane before i can sell it ...

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The sc5000 has a color screen on the platter...but the one doesn't have it
The sc5000 has illumination on the top of the platter...not on the base

WildcardX 2:38 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Isn’t that a Prime? www.bhphotovideo.com

Look carefully, you will notice something new and very interesting .... hint: compare it to the Denon VL12 ;-)

That looks like a really bad photshop where some one tried to distort a platter for a NS7 to be warped like the photo of the prime. To the opposite end of the mixer there is a SC5000 which obviously would have been paired in the photo.

Djkom 3:29 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Isn’t that a Prime? www.bhphotovideo.com

Look carefully, you will notice something new and very interesting .... hint: compare it to the Denon VL12 ;-)

That looks like a really bad photshop where some one tried to distort a platter for a NS7 to be warped like the photo of the prime. To the opposite end of the mixer there is a SC5000 which obviously would have been paired in the photo.

Probably, but this motorized version makes lot of sense regarding inMusic product range.
And this "photoshoped" image is not that bad...the platter illumination looks real !
I only wished the platter was 9" of 10" not 7"

Will08272 3:40 PM - 17 April, 2018

Im sure im not the only one to have made this point but can’t say that with certainty, i found the naming of the SC5000 curious as it leaves room for the same product but with a motor platter to be named SC5500 in the same vein of the HS5500.

MPC O.G. 3:53 PM - 17 April, 2018

People on here complaining about $800 for a 12, but pay $700 for a $200 Hanpin that says Pioneer on the badge...... Buy what YOU want, and stay in YOUR lane.....

AKIEM 3:58 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

LMAO

the struggle continues....

dj_spark 4:05 PM - 17 April, 2018

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[That looks like a really bad photshop where some one tried to distort a platter for a NS7 to be warped like the photo of the prime. To the opposite end of the mixer there is a SC5000 which obviously would have been paired in the photo.

Sometimes you've got strange artefacts when shooting with a smartphone while moving.
i0.kym-cdn.com

But I agree that the platter top is not on the same axis as the ring and assembly.

Djkom 4:14 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

LMAO

the struggle continues....

Ya already know 😉😅

AKIEM 4:20 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

LMAO

the struggle continues....

Ya already know 😉😅

how about $99.99 then?
😂

goldarn 4:54 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Qbert got them direct from Rane and I'm sure they were free or beyond dirt cheap.

Qbert does nothing for free, trust.

DJ Irv 5:22 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Qbert does nothing for free, trust.

You're basically saying that not only did he get them for free he's getting paid for using them. Q-Bert's pimp hand is very strong.

Taipanic 6:20 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Im sure im not the only one to have made this point but can’t say that with certainty, i found the naming of the SC5000 curious as it leaves room for the same product but with a motor platter to be named SC5500 in the same vein of the HS5500.

Before the HS5500 there was the DN-S5000, also a motorized platter, but belt driven. I think the only way they could upsurp Pioneer from being the club standard would be a motorized version of the SC5000. Even then, it would take years for it to become the new standard.
InMusic is definitely testing the waters with the Rane 12. If it does reasonably well and gets good buzz then they may push for a more mainstream product to compliment the one geared for turntablists. That one would appeal to both regular DJs and turntablists.

Gio Alex 7:18 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Qbert got them direct from Rane and I'm sure they were free or beyond dirt cheap.

www.instagram.com
According to his Instagram they appear to have been free and rane would've been crazy if they didn't.

Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

HighTopFade 7:28 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

He was on Pioneer's payroll for a minute. At least for the PLX1000 release.

Gio Alex 8:13 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

He was on Pioneer's payroll for a minute. At least for the PLX1000 release.

Yeah, but wasn't he wasn't using Rekordbox was he?

pdidy 9:55 PM - 17 April, 2018

Quote:

Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

He was on Pioneer's payroll for a minute. At least for the PLX1000 release.

I think qbert is more like a mercenary soldier who kills for the highest bidder.

DJ Irv 10:36 PM - 17 April, 2018

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Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

These Pros ain't loyal.

Gio Alex 1:54 AM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

These Pros ain't loyal.

hahaha good one

Gio Alex 1:55 AM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

Does this mean no more Traktor? Plot thickens

He was on Pioneer's payroll for a minute. At least for the PLX1000 release.

I think qbert is more like a mercenary soldier who kills for the highest bidder.

That's a good point

fvckJuly 7:19 AM - 18 April, 2018

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People on here complaining about $800 for a 12, but pay $700 for a $200 Hanpin that says Pioneer on the badge...... Buy what YOU want, and stay in YOUR lane.....

I'm pretty sure the people complaining about the 12 are exactly the people who DON'T get blinded by a name tag lol

but I'm 100% with you, you gotta do what you gotta do

Djkom 12:10 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

People on here complaining about $800 for a 12, but pay $700 for a $200 Hanpin that says Pioneer on the badge...... Buy what YOU want, and stay in YOUR lane.....

I'm pretty sure the people complaining about the 12 are exactly the people who DON'T get blinded by a name tag lol

but I'm 100% with you, you gotta do what you gotta do

Regarding the name tag, I kinda agree, but since professional analog turntables are almost in the same price range between 500$ and 800$, it's not really chocking...
Regarding the Rane 12 I think the price complains are "justified" or at least understandable.
This digital turntable has no complex tonearm, no audio circuit, won't be supported by all mixing software, will hardly last over the decade because it's just a remote not a standalone unit...
The principal complains are not related to the price but more the (poor?) features and design...

fvckJuly 1:12 PM - 18 April, 2018

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professional analog turntables are almost in the same price range between 500$ and 800$

yeah, and to be fair, PLX1000s do have higher quality control standards than, say, Synq tables.

Quote:

The principal complains are not related to the price but more the (poor?) features and design...

which is exactly why I think it's going to be discontinued within the next 2 years, after the initial wow-factor and most definitely after the competition (or even other inMusic brands) drop their respective products

DJ V3RdGO 1:52 PM - 18 April, 2018

Can anyone weigh in on this topic with USB port knowledge? IN PANIC MODE. OK so within first few days of receiving my RANE setup (one 72 and one 12) the USB port on the 12 is shot and one of the USB ports on the back of the 72 is shot. I have a MacBook pro with Touch Bar and usb c ports. Connectivity issues have been solved but now I had to return gear for RANE to resend two new units, which they did; at least the 72 so far; still waiting on the 12. Within first day one of the USB ports goes out AGAIN...WHAT THE HELL?! I've been on the phone with RANE for hours trying to walkthrough and figure out what's going on. ANY IDEAS?

PS. I hooked up my backup Mac 2015 with regular USB ports...STILL SAME ISSUE

PLEEEEEEEEASE HELP!

AKIEM 2:01 PM - 18 April, 2018

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

popnwave 2:50 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

Can anyone weigh in on this topic with USB port knowledge? IN PANIC MODE. OK so within first few days of receiving my RANE setup (one 72 and one 12) the USB port on the 12 is shot and one of the USB ports on the back of the 72 is shot. I have a MacBook pro with Touch Bar and usb c ports. Connectivity issues have been solved but now I had to return gear for RANE to resend two new units, which they did; at least the 72 so far; still waiting on the 12. Within first day one of the USB ports goes out AGAIN...WHAT THE HELL?! I've been on the phone with RANE for hours trying to walkthrough and figure out what's going on. ANY IDEAS?

PS. I hooked up my backup Mac 2015 with regular USB ports...STILL SAME ISSUE

PLEEEEEEEEASE HELP!

That's shit luck or you have something in your setup that is nuking USB ports. How is your grounding and power?

DJ V3RdGO 3:31 PM - 18 April, 2018

I’m connected to a 16 ga. heavy duty 3-prong extension cord on a regular home outlet (110) and at the end of that I have an 8 port extenda strip which I just noticed has power but the blue light that normally lights up the strip so you can see in dark is not lit...uh oh can that be the issue...grounding?

Joshua Carl 5:02 PM - 18 April, 2018

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lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

AKIEM 6:30 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

The claim here is that the 12 is so poorly design it will fail due to lack of sales then be discontinued.

I don't think Rane designs poorly in order to flop and sell more. That would be a poor business model.

Djkom 7:51 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

The claim here is that the 12 is so poorly design it will fail due to lack of sales then be discontinued.

I don't think Rane designs poorly in order to flop and sell more. That would be a poor business model.

Rane head (old?) management didn't want to take risks by adopting a simple battle style design for their 1st turntable...
I say Rane and not inMusic (even we all know it's Numark behind the conception), because Numark with the TTX (and CDX) has done a way more ergonomic product in early 2000 !!!
In 2018 we can higher expectations for a digital product, no ?
At the end of the day, only sales numbers will tell the truth...

AKIEM 8:20 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

The claim here is that the 12 is so poorly design it will fail due to lack of sales then be discontinued.

I don't think Rane designs poorly in order to flop and sell more. That would be a poor business model.

Rane head (old?) management didn't want to take risks by adopting a simple battle style design for their 1st turntable...
I say Rane and not inMusic (even we all know it's Numark behind the conception), because Numark with the TTX (and CDX) has done a way more ergonomic product in early 2000 !!!
In 2018 we can higher expectations for a digital product, no ?
At the end of the day, only sales numbers will tell the truth...

so what's the numbers then? cmon Scared Money.

Djkom 8:34 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

The claim here is that the 12 is so poorly design it will fail due to lack of sales then be discontinued.

I don't think Rane designs poorly in order to flop and sell more. That would be a poor business model.

Rane head (old?) management didn't want to take risks by adopting a simple battle style design for their 1st turntable...
I say Rane and not inMusic (even we all know it's Numark behind the conception), because Numark with the TTX (and CDX) has done a way more ergonomic product in early 2000 !!!
In 2018 we can higher expectations for a digital product, no ?
At the end of the day, only sales numbers will tell the truth...

so what's the numbers then? cmon Scared Money.

We can know the numbers but we can see the consequences of poor or good sales and follow the trend on the web, social media, shops....etc

Robbie O 8:34 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

The claim here is that the 12 is so poorly design it will fail due to lack of sales then be discontinued.

I don't think Rane designs poorly in order to flop and sell more. That would be a poor business model.

I mean the V7 was discontinued for those reasons... However I do think the 12 has way more marketing and hype behind it than the V7 (which had no real push and was under the shawdow of the NS7)

Aptidda 8:41 PM - 18 April, 2018

Numark MAKE A NUMARK V12! With built in audio interface and all of the same features. That would kill it.

slimmjimm 8:44 PM - 18 April, 2018

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Numark MAKE A NUMARK V12! With built in audio interface and all of the same features. That would kill it.

Built in USB hub, recessed plugs.

Other than that, the Twelve is really awesome and I’m glad I got it. It was super fun to use this past weekend.

Ollieboy 8:49 PM - 18 April, 2018

IMO, only sure way for 12s not to flop is to adjust the price. Maybe $500/ unit would be the max

AKIEM 9:00 PM - 18 April, 2018

Quote:

We can know the numbers but we can see the consequences of poor or good sales and follow the trend on the web, social media, shops....etc

aight Scared Money. The shelves are packed with em, and the dust is about to start collecting right?

AKIEM 9:01 PM - 18 April, 2018

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IMO, only sure way for 12s not to flop is to adjust the price. Maybe $500/ unit would be the max

but the price won't adjust if sales don't fall off.

Aptidda 9:05 PM - 18 April, 2018

I could see some sort of sale on the units for 20% off around the holidays. That would save about $160. So if you paid zero tax, free shipping they would be $640ea, seems more reasonable and I know PSSL and AGI and all the big boys do these things.

I don't ever see the Rane 72 being discounted.

DJ Irv 9:10 PM - 18 April, 2018

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I don't ever see the Rane 72 being discounted

The 72 was setup for success. Can't say the same of the 12's tho.

MPC O.G. 12:39 AM - 19 April, 2018

Quote:

I don't ever see the Rane 72 being discounted

The 72 was setup for success. Can't say the same of the 12's tho.

The 72 got a firmware update today. They are looking out for their flagship product, AS THEY SHOULD. And keeping that Rane customer service quality up. That's what people pay that extra coinage for, TBH.

dj_soo 12:49 AM - 19 April, 2018

Every interaction I've read about their customer service since the new products launched has been extremely positive and accommodating. If they can keep up this level of service continually, one of the biggest question marks and concerns in regards to InMusic Rane is looking to be addressed well.

goldarn 3:45 AM - 19 April, 2018

They know all eyes are on them right now. Give it a few years. Anyone know what the warranty is like? Is it the same 3 year, no questions asked?

goldarn 3:49 AM - 19 April, 2018

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

You forgot the rotary 2015 an 2014. Kinda hurt, beautiful DJ mixers :(

But I'd have to say that there is a two year plan in effect for gear. InMusic has numerous companies and quality levels to spread their ideas around and keep the money flowing. I wouldn't be surprised to see tweaks/refixes to a product after one year if it does well for the first 7 months and then tapers off.

Bondage 4:06 AM - 19 April, 2018

You guys think wrong... Djm 800, Djm 900, djm 900nxs2 -> +/- 5 years between each product.
TTM57, 62, 72 -> +/- 5 years between each product.

FLAGSHIPS NEED TO STAY LONG !! *i only talk about flagships models.

Quote:

lol @ bold claims about sales quotas, discontinued in 2 or 3 years.
But no one has any money to put up.
(figures)

Which is pretty much perfect life expectancy for these companies.
There’s no money in a great product that never needs to be replaced, ask CRane.
2 years of production/flagship unit
1-2 years of support.
New mixer on the way.

57 in 2006
68 in 2010
62in 2012
64 in 2013
57mk2 In 2015
72 in 2018

You forgot the rotary 2015 an 2014. Kinda hurt, beautiful DJ mixers :(

But I'd have to say that there is a two year plan in effect for gear. InMusic has numerous companies and quality levels to spread their ideas around and keep the money flowing. I wouldn't be surprised to see tweaks/refixes to a product after one year if it does well for the first 7 months and then tapers off.

HighTopFade 4:14 AM - 19 April, 2018

Quote:

They know all eyes are on them right now. Give it a few years.

This is expected. Pretty sure they want every possible defective product back for quality control. Sometimes, it does take awhile for things to go wrong. I bought a 62 over a year after its release and it was still manufactured with the bad cue buttons and fader carriers. That 3 year no questions asked warranty is what we pay a premium for. Hopefully, that doesn't change.

goldarn 5:10 AM - 19 April, 2018

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You guys think wrong... Djm 800, Djm 900, djm 900nxs2 -> +/- 5 years between each product.
TTM57, 62, 72 -> +/- 5 years between each product.

FLAGSHIPS NEED TO STAY LONG !! *i only talk about flagships models.

I can see what you are saying, but this question popped into my head - are we past the days of flagship models?

Technology is rapidly replaced these days by consumers, as a business, I would tend to steer towards those desires. Provide products for a lower price, but compromised on build and longevity. With the rapid pace of turnover in products and product consumer base, is the goal for these companies still a "flagship" model? Pioneer can get away with it because they have bigger fish to fry, the dJ division is like 1% (total guess) of their overall business.

Lou Dog 7:01 AM - 19 April, 2018

Can you twist the spindle to speed up the twelve? Also dragging and pushing the platter work like a 1200? Thanks

fvckJuly 7:19 AM - 19 April, 2018

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Can you twist the spindle to speed up the twelve? Also dragging and pushing the platter work like a 1200? Thanks

if it's anything like the NS7 and the HDX, the "spindle" is actualy what translates the record movement to the sensor, meaning you can, but it's a lot more sensitive than real vinyl. moving the "record" on the "label" works just like on real vinyl, so does nudging the platter.

slimmjimm 11:37 AM - 19 April, 2018

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Can you twist the spindle to speed up the twelve? Also dragging and pushing the platter work like a 1200? Thanks

if it's anything like the NS7 and the HDX, the "spindle" is actualy what translates the record movement to the sensor, meaning you can, but it's a lot more sensitive than real vinyl. moving the "record" on the "label" works just like on real vinyl, so does nudging the platter.

This.

dj_spark 11:52 AM - 19 April, 2018

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I mean the V7 was discontinued for those reasons... However I do think the 12 has way more marketing and hype behind it than the V7 (which had no real push and was under the shawdow of the NS7)

Till now the Numark V7 is supported into Serato DJ, mapping have been updated somewhere around 1.7.* with the slip mode.
In the shadow of the NS7 ? I don't think so, something portable vs a big coffin, not the same market.
For me the NS7 was a nice unit to demo but on a day to day use it wasn't practical at all. V7 can be added to any setup, so it speaks to mroe people imo.

Poorly designed ? 2 layers, midi take over, rotating platter, strip search, 4 outputs, built like a tank, the price didn't drop even at the end of life cycle and the second market as always been between 250 to 400€, not bad for a poorly designed product ! ;)

dj_spark 11:54 AM - 19 April, 2018

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Numark MAKE A NUMARK V12! With built in audio interface and all of the same features. That would kill it.

Give that guy a drink !
What I'm saying since the begining. Even a Numark V10 was asked by users but never came out.

Logisticalstyles 1:06 PM - 19 April, 2018

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a Numark V10

A V10 would be perfect.

Djkom 1:18 PM - 19 April, 2018

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I mean the V7 was discontinued for those reasons... However I do think the 12 has way more marketing and hype behind it than the V7 (which had no real push and was under the shawdow of the NS7)

Till now the Numark V7 is supported into Serato DJ, mapping have been updated somewhere around 1.7.* with the slip mode.
In the shadow of the NS7 ? I don't think so, something portable vs a big coffin, not the same market.
For me the NS7 was a nice unit to demo but on a day to day use it wasn't practical at all. V7 can be added to any setup, so it speaks to mroe people imo.

Poorly designed ? 2 layers, midi take over, rotating platter, strip search, 4 outputs, built like a tank, the price didn't drop even at the end of life cycle and the second market as always been between 250 to 400€, not bad for a poorly designed product ! ;)

The "poorly designed" was for the 12s not the V7s ;-)

The V7s were discontinued because of the poor sales ! NS7 is best seller that's why there were 3 editions.

I agree with you, the V7 is more interesting to me, I still have one ! NS7 is too bulky and less powerful than V7 + a good mixer...I wished so badly there was a v7 mkIII (or sc3900 mkII) with 8 performance pads and a color screen !!!

Seems we are not a profitable enough market for inMusic...

05spoof 2:59 PM - 19 April, 2018

How do the 12’s handle P-N-T while cutting? Is that artifacting mess that you get with CV’s or like how cdj’s handle key lock on a thumb drive loaded track?

How about the pitch... is it controlled directly or is it dictated by platter speed?

Robbie O 3:02 PM - 19 April, 2018

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Seems we are not a profitable enough market for inMusic...

This.

I think the V7/12 market is very limited. On a large scale, only mobile battle style turntable DVS DJs will be interested and maybe touring DJs who scratch or just love the turntable feels. 12 is at least getting acceptance from the turntablist community, which is something the V7 didn’t have. But if Phase is for real, I can’t see how the 12 survives at a price point higher than $400 to $500 each….

Joshua Carl 3:20 PM - 19 April, 2018

Scrub around the party from the other night (first hour & last hour... the middle is talking)
www.facebook.com

(Pretty much every cut you can think of is done ^)

The spindle behaves just like a 12.
As does the platter, strobe beads, start button, power off...

The PnT thing is still there
Sadly (and I’ve been bringing this up for years)
There’s a trade off now that all these units do -/+ 50% pitch the plugin needs to allow for pitch correction no matter what unit you are using in that range.
They have made strides to correct it, but I don’t know if it’s ever gonna be 100%
THAT BEING SAID.
On the 72, you can shift+press the key on screen to a toggle on:off PnT (and it stays on that setting once you do it 1 time)
So it’s 1 click to toggle it off for the whole event.

05spoof 3:47 PM - 19 April, 2018

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Scrub around the party from the other night (first hour & last hour... the middle is talking)
www.facebook.com

(Pretty much every cut you can think of is done ^)

The spindle behaves just like a 12.
As does the platter, strobe beads, start button, power off...

The PnT thing is still there
Sadly (and I’ve been bringing this up for years)
There’s a trade off now that all these units do -/+ 50% pitch the plugin needs to allow for pitch correction no matter what unit you are using in that range.
They have made strides to correct it, but I don’t know if it’s ever gonna be 100%
THAT BEING SAID.
On the 72, you can shift+press the key on screen to a toggle on:off PnT (and it stays on that setting once you do it 1 time)
So it’s 1 click to toggle it off for the whole event.

About the 25min mark... transforming like the wrist was a fucking uzi on unlimited ammo.

Is the lag better then dvs?

Gio Alex 4:05 PM - 19 April, 2018

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I don't ever see the Rane 72 being discounted

The 72 was setup for success. Can't say the same of the 12's tho.

I can agree with that.

Gio Alex 4:08 PM - 19 April, 2018

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This.

I think the V7/12 market is very limited. On a large scale, only mobile battle style turntable DVS DJs will be interested and maybe touring DJs who scratch or just love the turntable feels. 12 is at least getting acceptance from the turntablist community, which is something the V7 didn’t have. But if Phase is for real, I can’t see how the 12 survives at a price point higher than $400 to $500 each….

This

Gio Alex 4:08 PM - 19 April, 2018

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The "poorly designed" was for the 12s not the V7s ;-)

The V7s were discontinued because of the poor sales ! NS7 is best seller that's why there were 3 editions.

I agree with you, the V7 is more interesting to me, I still have one ! NS7 is too bulky and less powerful than V7 + a good mixer...I wished so badly there was a v7 mkIII (or sc3900 mkII) with 8 performance pads and a color screen !!!

Seems we are not a profitable enough market for inMusic..

And this.

Joshua Carl 5:10 PM - 19 April, 2018

About the 25min mark... transforming like the wrist was a fucking uzi on unlimited ammo.

Is the lag better then dvs?

What’s funny is, it’s a 3 hour event
Everything was set to default (including the computer on 2ms)
[no one bothered. To check]

When they changed it to 1, adjusted the vinyl height (that adds/removes slip mat drag), and switches to high-torque....it was a wrap.

These seem like minuscule things.
But the turntablist community live and breath on this stuff, table manner’s guys are no different.
It was around 2:05 when that all went down.
Some of those timing cuts are almost impossible to do with lag.
Is it 100% analog, no, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller with every new development

Bondage 8:31 PM - 19 April, 2018

dj.rane.com

Make time to do this !! I did not screw enough my twelve and i thought WTF !! But after i did it right -> top product mmmm

popnwave 8:50 PM - 19 April, 2018

Does yours do it? They said it doesn't happen to everyone. That being said I would still have mine updated.

Ollieboy 9:08 PM - 19 April, 2018

Recall/ firmware update on the 12.
dj.rane.com

The Return of Dj Sparky 9:47 PM - 19 April, 2018

Lol complentry update 😁,

Spin it as you want massive bug that requires a recall

Chino 10:37 PM - 19 April, 2018

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Lol complentry update 😁,

Spin it as you want massive bug that requires a recall

I completely agree with you on this! inMusic Brand just needs to call it what it is - a RECALL, & keep it moving.

No fluff, spin or deceptive marketing needed OR wanted!!

Gio Alex 11:19 PM - 19 April, 2018

WTF is a complimentary update? lol

DJ Marv the Maverick 11:28 PM - 19 April, 2018

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WTF is a complimentary update? lol

If the bug bothers you...send it in...I guess.

Least they owned up to this...first Rane decks so they get a pass.

Gio Alex 11:52 PM - 19 April, 2018

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WTF is a complimentary update? lol

If the bug bothers you...send it in...I guess.

Least they owned up to this...first Rane decks so they get a pass.

Ah ok, i see.

goldarn 12:00 AM - 20 April, 2018

Yikes as fuck BUT..... InMusic acted quick to put out press and I like the fact that the consumer does not need to pay shipping for this. That is a big deal.... and a big expense. But in the days of social media trials by jury, it would be more expensive to dismiss and excuse the issue or responsibility.

goldarn 12:01 AM - 20 April, 2018

now how long is the turnaround?

Ollieboy 12:24 AM - 20 April, 2018

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now how long is the turnaround?

On the site they stated within 1 business day of receipt. Apparently a quick fix. But I think 2 days to make sure.

Rebelguy 12:27 AM - 20 April, 2018

They were lucky they caught it in the first batch. Won’t be nearly as costly than if they caught it a few months and batches later.

AKIEM 12:37 AM - 20 April, 2018

... thanks beta testers!
lol

Ollieboy 12:46 AM - 20 April, 2018

If we had a backspin effect in the 72 we wouldnt have to worry about this glitch. LoL

GusGomez 2:47 AM - 20 April, 2018

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If we had a backspin effect in the 72 we wouldnt have to worry about this glitch. LoL

Lmao

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:15 AM - 20 April, 2018

LMAO @ "Complimentary "....

Gio Alex 1:33 PM - 20 April, 2018

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LMAO @ "Complimentary "....

Shit was pretty funny to me too

AKIEM 1:38 PM - 20 April, 2018

that wording hurts them as much as the recall - "complementary" ?
lol

Gio Alex 2:22 PM - 20 April, 2018

I just don't understand why they'd word it that way. LOL The damn thing is brand new and under warranty. How is that complimentary?

popnwave 2:25 PM - 20 April, 2018

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I just don't understand why they'd word it that way. LOL The damn thing is brand new and under warranty. How is that complimentary?

A lot of hardware companies won't pay for shipping to them. Had that issue with Pioneer over the years but luckily one of the local electronics shops became authorized and I never had to deal with it again.

Gio Alex 2:33 PM - 20 April, 2018

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I just don't understand why they'd word it that way. LOL The damn thing is brand new and under warranty. How is that complimentary?

A lot of hardware companies won't pay for shipping to them. Had that issue with Pioneer over the years but luckily one of the local electronics shops became authorized and I never had to deal with it again.

Gotcha! I see.

The prob is this thing just came out so I'd imagine they'd have to do that to save face.

The Return of Dj Sparky 2:43 PM - 20 April, 2018

Well in the EU companies have to pay for shipping on RMAs / defective equipment, corsair tried to pull that on me with a faulty psu till I quoted EU law

Gio Alex 2:45 PM - 20 April, 2018

Come to think of it most companies I've dealt with sent me an RMA box with postage/shipping included.

dj_spark 3:46 PM - 20 April, 2018

Weird this issue didn't arise with all the pre-release test and tease...

popnwave 3:52 PM - 20 April, 2018

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Weird this issue didn't arise with all the pre-release test and tease...

It doesn't happen to 100% of the users. The joys of software.

Bondage 6:41 PM - 20 April, 2018

Mine works fine. Should i send it back you think?

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Weird this issue didn't arise with all the pre-release test and tease...

It doesn't happen to 100% of the users. The joys of software.

dj_soo 7:05 PM - 20 April, 2018

Up to you - it is free, but then you'll be without a twelve for however long it takes for them to fix and return to you.

Gio Alex 7:38 PM - 20 April, 2018

I would send it just in case. It's free, why not, but like Soo said who knows how long.

The Times 4:30 AM - 22 April, 2018

Is the 12 all metal design? I am trying to figure out what corners numark would have to cut for them to offer a V12. A V10 seems more likely. but IMO a V12 would hit with the market of people who dont already have a true TT, and want that full feel, as well as DJ's who are used to 12" and expect nothing less.
Maybe a plastic body and big akai pads (8 i hope) on the bottom would make it different enough for them to consider offering without directly competing with a product in their own extended family.

Djkom 2:44 PM - 22 April, 2018

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Is the 12 all metal design? I am trying to figure out what corners numark would have to cut for them to offer a V12. A V10 seems more likely. but IMO a V12 would hit with the market of people who dont already have a true TT, and want that full feel, as well as DJ's who are used to 12" and expect nothing less.
Maybe a plastic body and big akai pads (8 i hope) on the bottom would make it different enough for them to consider offering without directly competing with a product in their own extended family.

Interesting point, why all these mortorized digital players have to be so heavy and built like tanks when they do not suffer from rumble and needle jumping issues ???

We know theses controllers won't last as long as the sl1200s so a plastic version could make sense for portability and price perspectives !

A NS7 or V7 version with the same weight as Pioneer DDJ controllers, I buy it in the minute !!!
When I look how the pt01 is powerful but is 100% plastic made, I know it is possible.
Doesn't matter if it is belt or direct drive for 7" platters, maybe above it will be an issue...
The sc3900 is also mostly plastic made but it's quite light considering it has a (now useless) cd slot

Aptidda 4:02 PM - 23 April, 2018

my buddy works at Numark and a V12 is going to hit the market soon

Gio Alex 4:33 PM - 23 April, 2018

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V12

What's V12?

Aptidda 5:06 PM - 23 April, 2018

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V12

What's V12?

a 12 inch V7

Gio Alex 5:17 PM - 23 April, 2018

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V12

What's V12?

a 12 inch V7

ah ok, gotcha! Mega Pause, but 10 would be the sweet spot

goldarn 6:40 PM - 23 April, 2018

InMusic owns Numark..? yes?

Gio Alex 6:51 PM - 23 April, 2018

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InMusic owns Numark..? yes?

Yes.

Logisticalstyles 7:17 PM - 23 April, 2018

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10 would be the sweet spot

yep

Gio Alex 7:23 PM - 23 April, 2018

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10 would be the sweet spot

yep

For portability and function. People really underestimate this.

Djkom 7:38 PM - 23 April, 2018

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my buddy works at Numark and a V12 is going to hit the market soon

Can't believe it because inMusic wants Rane hit the high end turntablism market, Denon the high end clubs and touring market, Numark the mid range market...

So I really doubt a V12 will come from Numark!

The Return of Dj Sparky 7:43 PM - 23 April, 2018

i could see a v10/12 in the future if the rane 12 doesn't do as well as expected

goldarn 11:09 PM - 23 April, 2018

^^ or if they determine there is a larger market in the lower end of the consumer base. Go cheaper on materials, bang them out and flood the market. They have lots of platforms to shift concepts too in exchange for quality. Depends on what the masses are willing to pay.

From what I hear, the latency isn't bad on these units, which is a big deal.

Chino 11:49 PM - 23 April, 2018

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From what I hear, the latency isn't bad on these units, which is a big deal.

Good to hear!

WildcardX 12:20 AM - 24 April, 2018

Well considering they had Denon do the VL12 which is their most premium offering of a turntable and Numark do the NTX 1000, the possibility is there for a V10/12.

Mr. Goodkat 5:41 AM - 24 April, 2018

the seller will be a turntable/midi controller. use a needle or lock the tone arm.

$800.

game over.

dj_soo 6:22 AM - 24 April, 2018

i think the big problem with that is that style of turntable is that you'd have to go back to the older locking spindle they used in the old hybrid cdj/vinyl turntables and that you see in the 3900s and those caused a lot of sticker drift. I think the reason that the Twelve has that big 45 adaptor sized thing in the center is to make things more accurate and avoid the sticker drift problem that comes with the older technology.

I dunno, maybe they can figure out a way to make it more accurate, but I'd think they would have gone that route in the Twelves if it was feasible.

Djkom 7:57 AM - 24 April, 2018

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i think the big problem with that is that style of turntable is that you'd have to go back to the older locking spindle they used in the old hybrid cdj/vinyl turntables and that you see in the 3900s and those caused a lot of sticker drift. I think the reason that the Twelve has that big 45 adaptor sized thing in the center is to make things more accurate and avoid the sticker drift problem that comes with the older technology.

I dunno, maybe they can figure out a way to make it more accurate, but I'd think they would have gone that route in the Twelves if it was feasible.

Not true, look at the SLDZ1200 mkII mods:
youtu.be

It is extremely accurate without any 45 adapter...

So Fresh 9:22 AM - 24 April, 2018

I've been looking at them for a while they look amazing!

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i think the big problem with that is that style of turntable is that you'd have to go back to the older locking spindle they used in the old hybrid cdj/vinyl turntables and that you see in the 3900s and those caused a lot of sticker drift. I think the reason that the Twelve has that big 45 adaptor sized thing in the center is to make things more accurate and avoid the sticker drift problem that comes with the older technology.

I dunno, maybe they can figure out a way to make it more accurate, but I'd think they would have gone that route in the Twelves if it was feasible.

Not true, look at the SLDZ1200 mkII mods:
youtu.be

It is extremely accurate without any 45 adapter...

Gio Alex 1:32 PM - 24 April, 2018

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the seller will be a turntable/midi controller. use a needle or lock the tone arm.

$800.

game over.

This right here. THIS

Joshua Carl 2:38 PM - 24 April, 2018

12inchskinz has already come out with a aftermarket spindle locking mechanism
instagram.com

I would expect something similar from RANE eventually as well.

I found my twelves to be very accurate and lag free (over 60+ hours on them now) ; And after watching these guys do advanced juggles and cuts that require precision any ideas I had about sticker drift or lag have been put to bed.

goldarn 6:58 PM - 24 April, 2018

12inchskinz is one of the most "on top of it" cats out there. Oh boy, just made me think of all the cool custom deck designs that will be out there.

pdidy 8:23 PM - 24 April, 2018

DMC and redbull threestyle are going to be major deciding factors in if the rane 12 will be a major success because once it's adopted in these two major DJ competitions everyone else will follow.

Gio Alex 8:27 PM - 24 April, 2018

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DMC and redbull threestyle are going to be major deciding factors in if the rane 12 will be a major success because once it's adopted in these two major DJ competitions everyone else will follow.

That's a very good point.

However, they may just remain in that realm or specific market/demographic, which in my opinion limits sales. But who knows.. maybe people don't mind paying 700/800 for a midi controller with spinning plater, from Rane of course.

Chino 9:02 PM - 24 April, 2018

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maybe people don't mind paying 700/800 for a midi controller with spinning plater, from Rane of course.

Personally, I don't mind the price IF these midi controllers are 100% ROCK SOLID #BATTLEREADY. The recall has certainly changed my mind about making the purchase. I will definitely wait it out for 6 months or so until I know that there are no more surprise issues.

Until then, I will rock with what I have. I do look forward to trying out Phase when it is released, though.

The Times 2:35 PM - 25 April, 2018

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ll be a turntable/midi controller. use a needle or lock the tone

I hope this works out. The 12 looks good, but honestly i cant stand the small hot cue buttons, i would love for something more in line with the 4x2 layout most controllers have. They will have my money in a HOT second when it drops. Even if its the same price as the 12 lol

The Times 2:40 PM - 25 April, 2018

Also to consider:
What about the demographic I come from, slightly younger DJ, that started with low budget CD players.
I still havent pulled the trigger on 1200's and im sure there are plenty of other young DJ's who havent either. There is a lot of potential upside to these decks, the buggest for me being that I will never have to buy a needle.

I loved the V7 so much, i was always into being able to use whatever mixer i wanted, so i got the V7 over the NS7. I traded them in for a pioneer controller after realizing they were just too heavy for being on the road every weekend.

But if a good amount of DJ's like me were around (DJ's who love the feel of a spinning platter, but somehow still dont have turntables) i feel like these or the "V12" will be a great product.

monogee 3:09 PM - 25 April, 2018

Can you set the 12's to play in reverse?

Aptidda 3:21 PM - 25 April, 2018

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Also to consider:
What about the demographic I come from, slightly younger DJ, that started with low budget CD players.
I still havent pulled the trigger on 1200's and im sure there are plenty of other young DJ's who havent either. There is a lot of potential upside to these decks, the buggest for me being that I will never have to buy a needle.

I loved the V7 so much, i was always into being able to use whatever mixer i wanted, so i got the V7 over the NS7. I traded them in for a pioneer controller after realizing they were just too heavy for being on the road every weekend.

But if a good amount of DJ's like me were around (DJ's who love the feel of a spinning platter, but somehow still dont have turntables) i feel like these or the "V12" will be a great product.

V7 too heavy? You must be a real small guy.

YZ 3:55 PM - 25 April, 2018

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Can you set the 12's to play in reverse?

No because they don't hat automatically :)

Robbie O 5:31 PM - 25 April, 2018

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But if a good amount of DJ's like me were around (DJ's who love the feel of a spinning platter, but somehow still dont have turntables) i feel like these or the "V12" will be a great product.

I’ve never understood this “too heavy” thing. Not to single you out, but what ppl like you are saying is not that its too heavy, but that the pros of the motorized tables aren’t great enough or worth enough to you. You don’t mind settling for a static solution. For me, I enjoy djing more with tables. I feel the more i enjoy djing the better my product will be. But the truth is unless you scratch, not having a motor won’t make you sound better.

These points are why i think the 12 might not make it.

Illiment 5:45 PM - 25 April, 2018

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i would love for something more in line with the 4x2 layout most controllers have. They will have my money in a HOT second when it drops. Even if its the same price as the 12 lol

damn THAT would have been extra dope.

but if you're rocking a 72/s9 for now, it's still all good.

Taipanic 5:48 PM - 25 April, 2018

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But if a good amount of DJ's like me were around (DJ's who love the feel of a spinning platter, but somehow still dont have turntables) i feel like these or the "V12" will be a great product.

I’ve never understood this “too heavy” thing. Not to single you out, but what ppl like you are saying is not that its too heavy, but that the pros of the motorized tables aren’t great enough or worth enough to you. You don’t mind settling for a static solution. For me, I enjoy djing more with tables. I feel the more i enjoy djing the better my product will be. But the truth is unless you scratch, not having a motor won’t make you sound better.

These points are why i think the 12 might not make it.

I agree. I'm not a scratcher but I do like working with a spinning platter. It is more back to real DJing and I think it looks good visually to the people you are playing for, used to get a lot of great interest and positive feedback when I was using the Denon HS5500s out. Just preordered a set of the Phase units, going to test them out when they ship.

Gio Alex 5:52 PM - 25 April, 2018

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I agree. I'm not a scratcher but I do like working with a spinning platter. It is more back to real DJing and I think it looks good visually to the people you are playing for, used to get a lot of great interest and positive feedback when I was using the Denon HS5500s out. Just preordered a set of the Phase units, going to test them out when they ship.

This and muscle memory. I kinda know where I'm at cueing wise and the things. Static platters just make me feel like I'm doing nothing manually at all.

But, the weight and size thing does matter to me a bit. As i'm getting older I find myself wanting to be more portable with my gear when it comes to mobile gigs.

The Times 6:34 PM - 25 April, 2018

to Address what i said and the comments about the V7 being heavy.

A single v7 weighs 16.4 lbs.
A DDJ sx2 Weighs 12.8 lbs.

The footprint of 2 V7's, a 2 channel battle mixer, and a flight case is about 25-30% bigger than the footprint of an SX2.

IIRC, my V7 setup was about 4 feet tall (case standing on the side) and weighed ~90lbs
My Sx2 case is about 2.5 feet tall and weighs maybe ~45 lbs.

Motorized platters like the 12 are inherently heavier. Which in itself is no issue. But for me, as my gigs picked up, i realized it was taking me maybe 15 minutes more to load and deconstruct my setup. So i switched because the less weight would translate to less time spent working, Which means more $/hr.

The way a turntable "feels" is very subjective. And while i 100% agree that a motorized platter feels amazing, scratches better, looks cooler; As my primary mobile rig, it wasnt a strong enough argument to stick with it.

Nevertheless, im looking for a setup now, and since motorized platters wont be the main thing i take on the road with me, im all for the heft that comes with something motorized.

The Times 6:39 PM - 25 April, 2018

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what ppl like you are saying is not that its too heavy, but that the pros of the motorized tables aren’t great enough or worth enough to you. You don’t mind settling for a static solution.

The V7 only had 5 hot cue points, i use hotcues A LOT, so now that solutions are making them a bigger deal, but also using those buttons to control a handful of features: to me it was a no brainer. Sure you trade "the feel", but you also get 3 more hotcues (by itself to me that made it worth it). The only way to get something similar back then was buy additional equipment.

I just want an all-in-one solution TBH, which is why I probably wont get the 12, unless they stick 8 or more big hotcue/loop/sampler/roll buttons on the bottom.

6 8:20 PM - 25 April, 2018

"As my primary mobile rig, I wasn't strong enough to stick with it."

Hit the gym.

DJ Irv 8:22 PM - 25 April, 2018

Phase pre-order out
www.phase-project.com

Too bad it ships in September.

HighTopFade 8:25 PM - 25 April, 2018

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Hit the gym.

For real. Not just for DJing, to prevent heart attacks and strokes as well.

DJ Unique 8:27 PM - 25 April, 2018

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"As my primary mobile rig, I wasn't strong enough to stick with it."

Hit the gym.

LOL

dj_spark 6:16 AM - 26 April, 2018

Used a single V7 + mixer + Neon pads for years and it was a very nice setup, not what I call heavy : case for the V7 in one hand, mixer+computer+pad in a bag on my shoulder.

The only issue was hooking all this, at the end I was too lazy and was in need of a all-in-one.
Then the DDJ1000 arise, I don't really like Pioneer but they got me on that one !

I still have my rotary collection at home for playing tho : V7 / SLDZ / CDX / NTX1000 / SL1210
(need a Denon 3700/3900 and I'll be ok).

dj_soo 6:19 AM - 26 April, 2018

I've been doing the single 3900 + 62 + SP1 for a bunch of gigs and it's alright although I prefer having a pair of players. Would be nice to get a single-deck coffin for those gigs tho. I agree the pain of hooking up all the cables is something I took for granted when I was using a controller exclusively for mobile gigs for a couple of years.

Gio Alex 2:51 PM - 26 April, 2018

Wonder if Denon will make a new one sans cd drive.

Winston G 12:38 AM - 27 April, 2018

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Gio Alex 12:54 AM - 27 April, 2018

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It’s as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too.

Same shit I been saying. It’s gotta lighter and more portable than my technics. Otherwise I can just hold on to my techs that do more. But here comes the turntalist argument lol

Phase will phase this out. V7 and Denon has the right idea years ago. I love Rane, I’ll buy a 72 but 12s make little sense to me today

AKIEM 1:25 AM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Why didn't you actually ask them this question?

Read these posts.

serato.com
serato.com
serato.com

And I'm pretty sure the first several videos from Rane state that it will control more than one deck. It's obviously designed too. There must be something else happening here.

AKIEM 2:06 AM - 27 April, 2018

dj.rane.com

"Four decks of control - DJ’s can use one, two or more (dependant on number of mixer channels available)"

slimmjimm 2:33 AM - 27 April, 2018

I don’t know your workflow, but why wouldn’t you just use instant doubles?

Mr. Goodkat 2:43 AM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

I don’t know your workflow, but why wouldn’t you just use instant doubles?

I think he's saying it has a button to switch channels so you don't have to instant double, which would be cool ---- except for what he's saying, you can only start and stop once you get on another deck/channel, would not be cool

J.J. 3:08 AM - 27 April, 2018

I have 2 12’s so I haven’t tried this yet. Plus I use instant doubles. On my NS7ii’s, you can switch the same platter Deck 1 to Deck 3 and continue with full Platter Control. If Deck 3 is at a slower pitch then Deck 1, the platter will slow down to match the pitch. The pitch is frozen until the pitch slider reaches the current Deck pitch. It even has lit arrows to tell you where to move your slider like the Twelve’s do.

You mean to tell me it doesn’t work like this? Your kidding... otherwise you can’t control 4 decks without restarting the software.

AKIEM 3:10 AM - 27 April, 2018

Instant Doubles would be a work around if the plan was using 2/4 decks as intended. I still plan on using Instant Doubles for most work flow, but sometimes I would want to select the other deck with those switches.

Someone else should confirm.

But that sure is a shitty response from Rane support.

pdidy 3:16 AM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Why didn't you actually ask them this question?

Read these posts.

serato.com
serato.com
serato.com

And I'm pretty sure the first several videos from Rane state that it will control more than one deck. It's obviously designed too. There must be something else happening here.

Quote:

dj.rane.com

"Four decks of control - DJ’s can use one, two or more (dependant on number of mixer channels available)"

If i understand his complaint correctly I agree "There must be something else happening here".

J.J. 4:26 AM - 27 April, 2018

I just checked on the 72 and you can assign One Twelve to Deck 1 or Deck 2 and have full platter control like the NS7ii. Just like RANE has been advertising. I will have to test them on the 62 and 68 later.

However, once you have two 12's plugged in to the 2 channel 72 and assign them to a side, you are locked in until you turn one 12 off. This is a nice LOCK feature that will keep us from overlapping a 12 on the same deck.

Djkom 6:30 AM - 27 April, 2018

I have this issue when I use only one V7 !
It occurs since SDJ v1.8, when I'm switching deck, the new selected deck either not respond or either crash the software ! The workaround is to use instant doubles but it's clearly a regression because never had this issue with ITCH or SDJ before v1.8.
So it's not a Rane (powered by Numark) issue I think...Serato is the guilty !

dj_spark 8:12 AM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

I have this issue when I use only one V7 !
It occurs since SDJ v1.8, when I'm switching deck, the new selected deck either not respond or either crash the software ! The workaround is to use instant doubles but it's clearly a regression because never had this issue with ITCH or SDJ before v1.8.
So it's not a Rane (powered by Numark) issue I think...Serato is the guilty !

Exactly what happened to me too and why I loose faith into Serato. Done detailed report, written scripts to reproduce the issue, did video, opened tickets and in the end : nothing !

I was so upset after buying all their fancy plugins and they didn't care at all. If I also add the unresponsive pitch in the middle of a set even in DVS, then it was the end for me.

I still have an eye on Serato but I can't trust them anymore !!!

Winston G 11:59 AM - 27 April, 2018

First of all for the Serato response; I did contact them and watch videos prior to purchasing. I am definitely not new to this in any way so let's get that straight. For the other guys that chimed in I appreciate the info. Now I forgot to mention that the 12 wouldn't work at all until I upgraded SDJ Pro from v.2.0.0 to v.2.0.2. I am at his point actually tempted to believe that it is a Serato and not a Rane issue at this point. If you would care to test this here was my setup. Rane 64 to MBP running SDJ Pro 2.2, Twelve to MBP. Keep in mind that the 64 needs no sound card, so SDJ Pro is automatically detected and activated via the mixer. Do not connect anything else nor use a 72 mixer. The reason I got this was because it's a Rane. I still have a few days before I have to send it back so if Serato feels like running the test and gets the same result, issues an update then I might keep it. We shall see. BTW I spoke with Rane about it and they said to me "oh it is intended to be used in pairs". If you guys try the setup as I described before then select Ch-1 start the track, try scratching and anything else. While the track is playing on CH-1 deselect the channel on the twelve and then select channel 2-3 or 4. All I got was a start stop capability and nothing else not even pitch control. I think if you're using the 72 then you will have no problem as the mixer was designed for compatibility with the 12. I suggest if anyone can to use another mixer Rane as I have or something to show if you can replicate this. I don't know how to upload a file here but I am tempted to pull it back out of the box and make a video. Any tips on where to load a video and I will set this up.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:01 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

A single v7 weighs 16.4 lbs.
A DDJ sx2 Weighs 12.8 lbs.

A single Technics 1200MKII Weighs 27.6lbs...

smh.

Winston G 12:09 PM - 27 April, 2018

Yep I also have the SX2 at home. I run that for those places that have little room. That, my CDJ's and turntables all work with SDJP without issue. Oh yeah Rane Twelve weight 20.5 lbs. So there goes that and you forgot CDJ 2000 nxs2 weight 12.57 lbs.

Winston G 12:26 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Why didn't you actually ask them this question?

Read these posts.

serato.com
serato.com
serato.com

And I'm pretty sure the first several videos from Rane state that it will control more than one deck. It's obviously designed too. There must be something else happening here.

AKIEM: Your links are all pre release info from people who have never used the product just making assumptions and going off what they read or saw in a video. I agree with you on the point that Rane said it works. The information in the links all referred to the NS7 switching style which I have never owned. I did however read the manual on the proper method of switching decks and that is where the problem lies it didn't work. But please if you or anyone can replicate my setup without using a 72 mixer and don't get this issue then I may just have a faulty twelve. I'm open to suggestions on what to try so will definitely appreciate any help.

AKIEM 1:49 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Why didn't you actually ask them this question?

Read these posts.

serato.com
serato.com
serato.com

And I'm pretty sure the first several videos from Rane state that it will control more than one deck. It's obviously designed too. There must be something else happening here.

AKIEM: Your links are all pre release info from people who have never used the product just making assumptions and going off what they read or saw in a video. I agree with you on the point that Rane said it works. The information in the links all referred to the NS7 switching style which I have never owned.

nah, Michael R is a developer at Serato...

Quote:

I did however read the manual on the proper method of switching decks and that is where the problem lies it didn't work. But please if you or anyone can replicate my setup without using a 72 mixer and don't get this issue then I may just have a faulty twelve. I'm open to suggestions on what to try so will definitely appreciate any help.

You should start by making sure you have the newest version of SDJ. Then, If I were you I would call Rane again. Hopefully get someone else on the line because whoever gave you that obviously false info needs an unpaid vacation - sounds like some shit a Guitar Center sales rep would claim.

AKIEM 1:53 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

First of all for the Serato response; I did contact them and watch videos prior to purchasing. I am definitely not new to this in any way so let's get that straight. For the other guys that chimed in I appreciate the info. Now I forgot to mention that the 12 wouldn't work at all until I upgraded SDJ Pro from v.2.0.0 to v.2.0.2. I am at his point actually tempted to believe that it is a Serato and not a Rane issue at this point. If you would care to test this here was my setup. Rane 64 to MBP running SDJ Pro 2.2, Twelve to MBP. Keep in mind that the 64 needs no sound card, so SDJ Pro is automatically detected and activated via the mixer. Do not connect anything else nor use a 72 mixer. The reason I got this was because it's a Rane. I still have a few days before I have to send it back so if Serato feels like running the test and gets the same result, issues an update then I might keep it. We shall see. BTW I spoke with Rane about it and they said to me "oh it is intended to be used in pairs". If you guys try the setup as I described before then select Ch-1 start the track, try scratching and anything else. While the track is playing on CH-1 deselect the channel on the twelve and then select channel 2-3 or 4. All I got was a start stop capability and nothing else not even pitch control. I think if you're using the 72 then you will have no problem as the mixer was designed for compatibility with the 12. I suggest if anyone can to use another mixer Rane as I have or something to show if you can replicate this. I don't know how to upload a file here but I am tempted to pull it back out of the box and make a video. Any tips on where to load a video and I will set this up.

upload the video on youtube.

YZ 4:15 PM - 27 April, 2018

Can someone explain to me what exactly the send back fix is? Don't say it's just a firmware update, I get that, want to know what part of the unit got updated and then, why are users unable to perform a firmware fix? Is it because they wanted to test the update after applied?

goldarn 5:03 PM - 27 April, 2018

Because the firmware cost $$$$$ to develop and it has proprietary info inside the packet. Simple fix, takes only seconds, but yeah, they aren't going to release it in the wild.

DJ Ozah 5:04 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Man you sound pissed lol. That is dissapointing for the Twelve. You should always be able to use just one. What if the other goes out? As far as Phase goes I wouldnt worry. Festivals and Concerts have been using RF for decades with 10,20,30 mics no issues. They will be fine. Besides if an isssue arrises just go back to needles or internal.

goldarn 5:09 PM - 27 April, 2018

I know when Rane released the sixty-eight, Serato had never written software for four decks. So regardless of how much we were promised it would be functional and ready, the sixty-eight was forced to ship with only two deck mapping capabilities.

I'm curious if this issue can be duplicated. I see two options - either user error OR the software for the 12 was released in "good enough" shape, meaning full operations on the main channels and needs for fixes to obtain full functionality on the others. It wouldn't be the first time..... or second time..... or......

Winston G 6:12 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

Got this and I was excited as heck... until I plugged it in. My vision was: one turntable, no needles, skipping and well you know everything else that goes on. I assign channel one and start the track. Ok so far, scratch is a little tight but I can adjust it. Then it happens! I unassigned channel one a go to channel two.......all I can do is start and stop nothing else. No scratch or anything. Literally all I can do is press play stop not even pitch control works. Ok I go to channel 4...... SAME!?! Ah I see it has to be channel 3.....NOPE. Call Rane support...."Uh yeah they're intended to be used in pairs". Brain explodes. Mental question to self, " ok so why the F**k are there four channels on the platter if I can only assign one"?! Yep RMA and back to my turntables and CDJ's. It's as heavy as my Technics, big as hell, won't allow me to use only one either. So whats the point of replacing my old turntables with this because at least I could use them with whatever software I want or vinyl too. Now that I had one I can definitely say that they shit out the box with this one. The mixer I don't know about because I have my sixty four. If you are new to this then yeah get a pair cause that will work but I don't see a reason to get rid of my turntables for this. I had high hopes but I recommend updating the firmware to allow a single twelve to control all channels then you might have something there. Reduce the weight so I can feel good about carrying it around to gigs, size reduction can help too. So, firmware for all channels in one, weight, and size. You do have significant competition out there with the phase but I think too many people will be concerned about RF signals in a club going to a receiver however close it may be. We all have the WiFi and Bluetooth stories that can turn your hair grey so I don't see the Phase having anything more than an initial ooh aah response before it starts to show issues. The twelve on the other hand has massive potential if you fix the issues noted above. Yes, I can buy two four or however many I want, but just the one showed me these issues so there goes that.

Man you sound pissed lol. That is disappointing for the Twelve. You should always be able to use just one. What if the other goes out? As far as Phase goes I wouldn't worry. Festivals and Concerts have been using RF for decades with 10,20,30 mics no issues. They will be fine. Besides if an issue arises just go back to needles or internal.

DJ Ozah I'm not pissed more than I am disappointed. You do bring up a great point. With the Phase I can just put the needle on and keep playing until the problem is solved. It had been a while since i worked a sound board at a live event and you have a good point. I'm just skeptical about the Phase having that same quality because the stuff we used was definitely top of the line and had no interference, true. Will Phase match that? I hope so cause if they do they might even be able to get some cash from me, we shall see.

Winston G 6:15 PM - 27 April, 2018

Quote:

I know when Rane released the sixty-eight, Serato had never written software for four decks. So regardless of how much we were promised it would be functional and ready, the sixty-eight was forced to ship with only two deck mapping capabilities.

I'm curious if this issue can be duplicated. I see two options - either user error OR the software for the 12 was released in "good enough" shape, meaning full operations on the main channels and needs for fixes to obtain full functionality on the others. It wouldn't be the first time..... or second time..... or......

Definitely been thinking the same lately regarding the "good enough to start with" software LOL. If you look at my earlier post I described the setup I had and asked if anyone had the same result or not. I'm guessing if no one has the problem then maybe I received a faulty twelve, you never know.

AKIEM 6:20 PM - 27 April, 2018

lol - there are never issues with wireless mics - lol

Chino 6:36 PM - 27 April, 2018

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the software for the 12 was released in "good enough" shape, meaning full operations on the main channels and needs for fixes to obtain full functionality on the others.

^^^ I certainly hope this is NOT the case. Unfortunately, inMusic Brand is known for releasing many of their products with half baked, poorly implemented software!! (Engine 1.5 & the Akai MPC software- just to name a few examples…)

J.J. 6:55 PM - 27 April, 2018

The frustrating thing is that the backspin issue was found in just a few days of being released. They should have expanded their BETA hardware team, especially after the additional 5 month delay. I'm considering not updating mine and use this bug as part of a DJ Battle routine, unless it ruins the product with prolong reversing.

When asked why their "Complimentary" firmware update wasn't available through a download, Rane Facebook had this to say:

"If only that were possible. Updating the motor requires a programming tool that’s not available to customers. We are looking to make these update processes available to the public (updating via USB) in the future, but as of now it’s not possible."

popnwave 9:30 PM - 27 April, 2018

Again, early adopter perks. Between the TWELVES and Phase this year, you early birds are going to experience the joys of being one of the first to use it in the wild.

Matt-C 3:37 AM - 30 April, 2018

Hi Winston G

You can use a single Rane Twelve to control 1, 2 or however many decks your primary Serato hardware supports. You can also use multiple Rane Twelves at once if you want too.

As your Rane 64 has 4 channels, a single Twelve can control all decks the same as a single deck.

A couple of things to remember:
• The pitch slider has pickup when layer changing (move the slider in the direction of the illuminated arrow on the Twelve to catch the correct pitch position of the track on the new layer).
• The platter will follow the play state of the new layer (i.e. if the deck is stopped, the platter will stop, if it is playing the platter will play).

Support for the Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve was launched with Serato DJ Pro 2.0.2, so versions before this won't establish a connection to these devices.

It looks like Bruce from our Support team has contacted you on your help ticket. We are more than happy to keep assisting you to see what the issue is.

Thanks!
Matt

YZ 3:44 AM - 1 May, 2018

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Because the firmware cost $$$$$ to develop and it has proprietary info inside the packet. Simple fix, takes only seconds, but yeah, they aren't going to release it in the wild.

Makes sense, but that's why good software has security in place to allow users (home user for example) to perform these functions. Motherboard company's for example, not open firmware but we can perform bios updates... unless they're concerned about firmware hacks but you'd still need the full firmware file to even do that. Just curious.

Rebelguy 5:56 PM - 1 May, 2018

Quote:

Because the firmware cost $$$$$ to develop and it has proprietary info inside the packet. Simple fix, takes only seconds, but yeah, they aren't going to release it in the wild.

So they plan on offering complimentary updates with free shipping for all firmware updates in the future? Sounds like this may be the only update for these units. Haha.

goldarn 12:45 AM - 2 May, 2018

^^ not the case in the majority of instance. Certain things can be shielded in updates, but this one obviously could not.

Mutis Mayfield 10:12 AM - 3 May, 2018

Guys you missed the point completely...

InMusic doesn’t want to users opening their twelves by themselves and discovering there is a Numark V7 inside. So they need to add some stickers over the numark labels in pcbs and so.

That’s what happens when you release things in hurry.

Trolling mode: off

Probably the firmware update related to motor pcb needs dedicated debugging port, finetunning or so, different to HID/Midi firmware update which probably could be made from usb. Shame they didn’t find it over betatesting but you know shit happens.

Gio Alex 12:41 PM - 3 May, 2018

Quote:

InMusic doesn’t want to users opening their twelves by themselves and discovering there is a Numark V7 inside. So they need to add some stickers over the numark labels in pcbs and so.

LMAO i had a good chuckle.

DJLLOYDLIVE 5:32 PM - 16 May, 2018

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The only thing that is left to be seen is the Sticker Drift and Latency. Can an old computer handle the 3600 Tics of Platter resolution in MIDI? Can Serato finally deliver a stable Serato DJ like Scratch Live? How much does it weigh so we can take it mobile? 4 Decks... does that mean a 4 channel 78 mixer is on its way?

Of course I'm buying 2 because I'm a wannabe turntablest and I'm getting the 72.

+1 I've been waiting for something like this for a LOOOOOG time! I still have my 3900s & a Rane 62 but it's officially time for an upgrade!

I can definitely see a 'Rane 74'- a 4 channel mixer in the future too!

But 3900's play CDs, USB while the 72 can not

AKIEM 6:05 PM - 16 May, 2018

... how about cassette?

Aptidda 6:11 PM - 16 May, 2018

CD's and USB LMAO! Since when has ANYONE used that crap?

Wait what about 8-track?

popnwave 6:22 PM - 16 May, 2018

I want a laserdisc with a tone and ambient footage.

DJ Reflex 12:41 AM - 17 May, 2018

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CD's and USB LMAO! Since when has ANYONE used that crap?

Wait what about 8-track?

All the time... peeps giving me CDs or MP3 songs they want at a ceremony or special event. Not for club DJs anymore, but mobile DJs get this kind of stuff all the time. Now that Mac took out the CD drive, we need some sort of option for this.

DJ Reflex 12:42 AM - 17 May, 2018

Now I haven't see 8-tracks in a while!

AKIEM 1:11 AM - 17 May, 2018

if theres actually a market for cd, I kinda doubt it.
I would just bring an external cd drive

DJ Unique 1:40 AM - 17 May, 2018

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CD's and USB LMAO! Since when has ANYONE used that crap?

Wait what about 8-track?

All the time... peeps giving me CDs or MP3 songs they want at a ceremony or special event. Not for club DJs anymore, but mobile DJs get this kind of stuff all the time. Now that Mac took out the CD drive, we need some sort of option for this.

I always carry an external DVD/CD Drive with me.

DJ Guayo 2:01 PM - 17 May, 2018

I used to carry a CDJ 800 i got on the cheap for CDs. I was on 'Married to Medicine' episode a while back (shit was wack) and they just dropped a CD for me to play royalty free music throughout the event.

Illiment 2:01 PM - 17 May, 2018

omfg you dorks. if you need a CD player BUY ONE. Most of these dumb ass arguments are pretty much like going to starbucks and being upset that they don't serve big mac combos. smfh.

Illiment 2:09 PM - 17 May, 2018

rumour has it that if someone unexpectedly drops a usb stick on you with something they need played it is actually possible to plug said usb into your LAPTOP. load it up in serato or whatever DVS you use and...guess what. PLAY IT.

AKIEM 2:13 PM - 17 May, 2018

lol

popnwave 2:35 PM - 17 May, 2018

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rumour has it that if someone unexpectedly drops a usb stick on you with something they need played it is actually possible to plug said usb into your LAPTOP. load it up in serato or whatever DVS you use and...guess what. PLAY IT.

I wouldn't do that in a million years these days. USB into a deck, maybe.. but no way in hell is some stranger getting me to plug that into my DJing laptop w/o getting vetted for malware or worse.

Illiment 2:42 PM - 17 May, 2018

i've done it tons of times. And been fine every time.

I also plan meticulously ahead for corporate and private events where a situation like that might come up, it's rare that some unorganized client even comes to me with a random usb stick or cd. But whatever man. People seem to want to find any and everything to complain about lately. Especially new dj gear.

YZ 3:17 PM - 17 May, 2018

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People seem to want to find any and everything to complain about lately. Especially new dj gear.

People spend a lot of money on DJ gear and they like to think they spent their money well, because they're smart... and everyone else is wrong. They're easy to spot, often lashing out that they have more talent than the DJ questioning their intelligence. These people (many of them you already know here) have insecurity issues about their gear and will bend far out of their reach to protect their investment by taking dumps on the competitors product any chance they get. These insecurities lead to salty and abusive behavior in the forums :) I can only imagine the controlling behavior that goes on in these people's personal lives otherwise.

Illiment 3:35 PM - 17 May, 2018

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People seem to want to find any and everything to complain about lately. Especially new dj gear.

People spend a lot of money on DJ gear and they like to think they spent their money well, because they're smart... and everyone else is wrong. They're easy to spot, often lashing out that they have more talent than the DJ questioning their intelligence. These people (many of them you already know here) have insecurity issues about their gear and will bend far out of their reach to protect their investment by taking dumps on the competitors product any chance they get. These insecurities lead to salty and abusive behavior in the forums :) I can only imagine the controlling behavior that goes on in these people's personal lives otherwise.

well that was...detailed.

And you may be right in some cases. I don't come on here much, just when the 12/72 was announced I was intrigued af and was looking for any info I could find. This thread, as i'm sure most do started out well, then..you know. 100-0 real quick.

I just don't understand people sometimes. Especially in this modern dj demographic. It's all weird.

Aptidda 3:40 PM - 23 May, 2018

Yea, the Rane 72/12 combo is the absolute king and is winning right now. My 72 has made me a better DJ hands down NO questions asked. All of the unique features and things it can do has expanded my creativity as a DJ and made me even better. The workflow is hand down the absolute best and I cant get over how good the faders feel.

My Mixer is battle ready, is your plastic piece of junk? I would mob on any and all of you in a DJ/ Scratch battle. I have obtained the mixer that is the pinnacle of the industry. Bow down!

DJ GaFFle 5:48 PM - 23 May, 2018

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Yea, the Rane 72/12 combo is the absolute king and is winning right now. My 72 has made me a better DJ hands down NO questions asked. All of the unique features and things it can do has expanded my creativity as a DJ and made me even better. The workflow is hand down the absolute best and I cant get over how good the faders feel.

My Mixer is battle ready, is your plastic piece of junk? I would mob on any and all of you in a DJ/ Scratch battle. I have obtained the mixer that is the pinnacle of the industry. Bow down!

If that combo could make my skills be this: www.instagram.com I'd buy a setup tomorrow.

Aptidda 6:16 PM - 23 May, 2018

Yea my scratching instantly and vastly improved. I previously had a DJM-S9 and the fader cut in time on the cross fader were NOT the business, and I definitely was NOT feeling the 5MM+ cut in on the upfaders on that old plastic POS. The Rane 72 cut in is razor sharp and completely adjustable, now I can crab and transform like you wouldn’t believe.

Now contemplating getting rid of my Technics 1200 M3D for a 12, cant seem to bring myself to do it. I do also have an 1200MK2 and a 1210MK2 in black that look so sexy I will probably never sell them as they match the mixer like a dream. I will probably wait to low ball someone on craiglist hardcore struggling and needing the money for a 12- cant bring myself to pay full retail for anything actually- never have and never will. Bless up!

CMOS 11:31 PM - 23 May, 2018

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My Mixer is battle ready, is your plastic piece of junk? I would mob on any and all of you in a DJ/ Scratch battle.

Careful, theres dudes here who will bust that ass with a 20 year old $100 mixer.

deezlee 4:10 AM - 24 May, 2018

It's been a while since there was (or wasn't) a forum battle. I don't cut so good but I'll judge!

fvckJuly 6:34 AM - 24 May, 2018

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My 72 has made me a better DJ hands down

phew you gotta be pretty bad then

YZ 3:19 PM - 24 May, 2018

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The Rane 72 cut in is razor sharp and completely adjustable, now I can crab and transform like you wouldn’t believe.

Now contemplating getting rid of my Technics 1200 M3D for a 12, cant seem to bring myself to do it.

Yea, compared to my 62 the 72 has a sharper curve... not that it makes me scratch "better" per say but something about this 72 makes my scratches tighter/cleaner, I'm thinking it's the weight and how I was able to fine tune it.

The Twelve's... nah I'm not fkn with these things, it's new, very new, too new. They need to take those shits back to the lab, get rid of having to drill holes in vinyl to mount something different, fix the bootleg motor in it and round up all the complaints and feedback after a year or 2 in the market to see where it can be upgraded. That or like my man said, I'll wait for the thirst crew and goon squads to throw a pair up on Craigslist because they ditched em for a pair of cdj's. No way I'm paying 1500 for a pair of these things sorry... and I'm a Rane guy for the most part.

Aptidda 3:37 PM - 24 May, 2018

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That or like my man said, I'll wait for the thirst crew and goon squads to throw a pair up on Craigslist because they ditched em for a pair of cdj's. No way I'm paying 1500 for a pair of these things sorry... and I'm a Rane guy for the most part.

Preach! Too bad Rane just sent me a free 12- he heeee. And to the kid who said there are people on here with a $100 mixer that can slay me... There would never be an opportunity. Why?

I don't converse or associate myself with lower middle class blue collar types. Byeeeeee

popnwave 3:49 PM - 24 May, 2018

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It's been a while since there was (or wasn't) a forum battle. I don't cut so good but I'll judge!

Meh, Aptidda has done from amusing to just annoying. It's not a battle when someone is calling random hardware junk vs actually giving input on the differences.

popnwave 3:49 PM - 24 May, 2018

*gone

AKIEM 4:52 PM - 24 May, 2018

nothing wrong with drilling holes (unless you dont have a drill)

That lets you use ANY piece of vinyl you want instead of buy extra special crap.

popnwave 5:07 PM - 24 May, 2018

My daughter would light up if I roasted some silly picture vinyl on top:

cdn.shopify.com

Ollie 5:53 PM - 24 May, 2018

So for emergency sake, could they eventually make firmware so we can plug an Ext drive to the back of the 72 via USB. Scroll for music using the screen/knobs and put the 72 transport mode to play?

YZ 6:05 PM - 24 May, 2018

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Meh, Aptidda has done from amusing to just annoying. It's not a battle when someone is calling random hardware junk vs actually giving input on the differences.

Nah, people just have a problem with how "truth" is delivered, whether nicely or rude... facts are facts. For example, Mac's are better than Windows for Serato. If you're trying to prove that wrong, you're either lying or just popping off.

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nothing wrong with drilling holes (unless you dont have a drill)

Sorry, I'm not drilling into my fkn vinyl. A, that's ridiculous... B. it's not meant to have holes stuck through it. Let's suggest they take the amateur engineer who came up with that solution as the only option and find someone else on LinkedIn?

AKIEM 8:33 PM - 24 May, 2018

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Sorry, I'm not drilling into my fkn vinyl. A, that's ridiculous... B. it's not meant to have holes stuck through it. Let's suggest they take the amateur engineer who came up with that solution as the only option and find someone else on LinkedIn?

lol it literally comes with a hole in it. it won't hurt it.

waiting to hear your better solution

(or just admit you aren't handy with a drill)

Joshua Carl 9:42 PM - 24 May, 2018

Truth be told; that 12inchskinz disc and new clasp is the move. No more Allen wrench.

AKIEM 9:59 PM - 24 May, 2018

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Truth be told; that 12inchskinz disc and new clasp is the move. No more Allen wrench.

If you want to pay for that instead of put whatever vinyl you choose on it.

popnwave 10:11 PM - 24 May, 2018

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Truth be told; that 12inchskinz disc and new clasp is the move. No more Allen wrench.

My Stevie Nicks' picture discs quiver in anticipation.

AKIEM 10:19 PM - 24 May, 2018

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Truth be told; that 12inchskinz disc and new clasp is the move. No more Allen wrench.

My Stevie Nicks' picture discs quiver in anticipation.

ur going to make them fit 12inch system?

Aptidda 10:25 PM - 24 May, 2018

Agreed, that 12inchskinz is THE TRUTH! I am gonna get some custom skinz on my 72 and 12 ASAP.

CMOS 10:37 PM - 24 May, 2018

The 12in one is nice as the record comes off but you still have to drill a giant center hole with that offset notch. Completely ruining the vinyl.

Does the Rane 12 holes ruin anything other than the look?

AKIEM 10:46 PM - 24 May, 2018

for the 12inch system it's not a round hole. good luck making ur vinyl fit that - instead of drill 3 holes.

I might get the 12inch joints just for the custom look - but plenty options with whatever vinyl

AKIEM 10:46 PM - 24 May, 2018

I meant *vinyls

popnwave 10:48 PM - 24 May, 2018

It's a joke, I have plenty of dollar bin picture discs I don't mind poking holes in.

For some reason I have a ton of Kylie Minogue ones circa 2004 from when Capitol Records were pushing her and had me do some release party lol.

Aptidda 11:13 PM - 24 May, 2018

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It's a joke, I have plenty of dollar bin picture discs I don't mind poking holes in.

For some reason I have a ton of Kylie Minogue ones circa 2004 from when Capitol Records were pushing her and had me do some release party lol.

your an OG! Pic discs for days, I have one that is NSFW that would be awesome.

AKIEM 1:08 AM - 25 May, 2018

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It's a joke, I have plenty of dollar bin picture discs I don't mind poking holes in.

For some reason I have a ton of Kylie Minogue ones circa 2004 from when Capitol Records were pushing her and had me do some release party lol.

your an OG! Pic discs for days, I have one that is NSFW that would be awesome.

bet that one has some type a hole in it...
lol

YZ 3:57 PM - 25 May, 2018

So we're now buying vinyl that A, has no music on it... and B, needs a 6-piece mechanics tool kit to install (sold separately).

AKIEM 11:16 PM - 25 May, 2018

... it should ship with a pink hand drill for the ladies.

Mutis Mayfield 4:55 PM - 26 May, 2018

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So for emergency sake, could they eventually make firmware so we can plug an Ext drive to the back of the 72 via USB. Scroll for music using the screen/knobs and put the 72 transport mode to play?

It doesn’t work that way... you can add a compter inside just by firmware update.

ITOH inMusic could release an standalone dashboard but I don’t expect it before standalone Rane mixer which maybe never could be released neither...

deejaybman 1:35 AM - 31 May, 2018

My only complaint with the Twelve is its orientation. I come from a mixing background where the turntables are placed standard with the pitch to the right. I tried doing this with the Twelve but the power and USB inputs kept the twelve from lining up with the 72. They only line up the way they came....But i'm old school in a new school world so I guess I gotta deal with it.

Oh and I have some complaints about the 72 as well but that's another story.

deejaybman 1:39 AM - 31 May, 2018

It is nice though. www.instagram.com

dj_soo 1:46 AM - 31 May, 2018

i'd like to hear your complaints on the 72.

Illiment 2:01 PM - 31 May, 2018

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My only complaint with the Twelve is its orientation. I come from a mixing background where the turntables are placed standard with the pitch to the right.

I can respect that. I came up knowing nothing but battle style orientation, and sometimes was forced to play in standard orientation. Sucked at first, but now i'm comfy with both setups. They could have moved the power/outputs to make it accessible for both orientations, maybe on a future update.

Chino 9:36 PM - 1 June, 2018

Does anyone know if the second batch of Rane 12s are shipping with the motor firmware update already installed?

Aptidda 3:25 PM - 4 June, 2018

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Does anyone know if the second batch of Rane 12s are shipping with the motor firmware update already installed?

yes all 12's were recalled

Illiment 8:51 PM - 10 June, 2018

Late june here in canada as far as I know. I'm still waiting.

goldarn 10:49 PM - 11 June, 2018

so essentially, they released about 300 decks, recalled them and haven't put out more inventory? Dang, that is a momentum killer.

DJ Marv the Maverick 10:59 PM - 11 June, 2018

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so essentially, they released about 300 decks, recalled them and haven't put out more inventory? Dang, that is a momentum killer.

Just curious from a business perspective how many units they need will need to sell to deem it a success.

I wonder how sales is faring in Europe. I am yet to see one Rane mixer in a single club or bar in 10 years.

It's DJMs everywhere and in some random bars you may run into some ancient Denon mixer.

Joshua Carl 11:36 PM - 11 June, 2018

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I wonder how sales is faring in Europe. I am yet to see one Rane mixer in a single club or bar in 10 years.

It's DJMs everywhere and in some random bars you may run into some ancient Denon mixer.

Maybe it’s euro thing. (For years I remember people sold the idea that euro was VDJ & Traktorland)
Because over here (outside of dance/edm venues)
I’m see 57s, 62s & an occasional broken s9 everywhere.

And to be fair, chances are if they have another older mixer, there’s probably a RANE SL unit with it.

Aptidda 11:37 PM - 11 June, 2018

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I wonder how sales is faring in Europe. I am yet to see one Rane mixer in a single club or bar in 10 years.

It's DJMs everywhere and in some random bars you may run into some ancient Denon mixer.

Maybe it’s euro thing. (For years I remember people sold the idea that euro was VDJ & Traktorland)
Because over here (outside of dance/edm venues)
I’m see 57s, 62s & an occasional broken s9 everywhere.

And to be fair, chances are if they have another older mixer, there’s probably a RANE SL unit with it.

Ya I see broken S9's everywhere I go.

goldarn 2:24 AM - 12 June, 2018

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Just curious from a business perspective how many units they need will need to sell to deem it a success.

R&D ain't cheap.

thorissr 1:49 AM - 27 June, 2018

Has the Rane 12 begin shipping again after the initial recall? Just wondering because not one US retailer have them in stock with statuses ranging from back order, pre-order or simply out of stock. It’s been approximately 2 months since the complimentary firmware update was announced, and I find it odd that to this day it’s hard to find one.

Thanks

Chino 12:26 PM - 27 June, 2018

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Has the Rane 12 begin shipping again after the initial recall? Just wondering because not one US retailer have them in stock with statuses ranging from back order, pre-order or simply out of stock. It’s been approximately 2 months since the complimentary firmware update was announced, and I find it odd that to this day it’s hard to find one.

I noticed this too. Maybe there is a distribution delay?

At this point, inMusic Brand should just take their time to address all the bugs before re-releasing the 12s.

I'd like to see a "Rane 9" at NAMM 2019. A portable 9" platter version of the Rane 12 with USB playback capabilities.

thorissr 12:33 PM - 27 June, 2018

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Has the Rane 12 begin shipping again after the initial recall? Just wondering because not one US retailer have them in stock with statuses ranging from back order, pre-order or simply out of stock. It’s been approximately 2 months since the complimentary firmware update was announced, and I find it odd that to this day it’s hard to find one.

I noticed this too. Maybe there is a distribution delay?

At this point, inMusic Brand should just take their time to address all the bugs before re-releasing the 12s.

I'd like to see a "Rane 9" at NAMM 2019. A portable 9" platter version of the Rane 12 with USB playback capabilities.

USB playback would be nice. I found 2 Rane 12s one each on 2 different online retailers. I ordered both individually and one retailer at the very last minute cancelled my order due unavailability. Now I only have one Rane 12 and I’m eager to complete my Rane setup if I can only get my hands on that second Rane 12. I would’ve thought the 72 would be a harder fish to catch, but they are readily available at B&M stores and online retailers. Odd indeed.

thorissr 12:38 PM - 27 June, 2018

.....or just maybe since they’re made in China, the trade war we have with them is affecting the distribution flow into the US...Lol jj

dj_soo 9:14 PM - 27 June, 2018

I think they're made in Taiwan? That would actually be separate from the trade disputes with China.

I'm worried about the disputes with Canada affecting prices up here. We already pay a premium due to exchange and duty. The 72 is $2500 here before taxes and the twelves are $1000 each.

Chino 1:31 PM - 28 June, 2018

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The 72 is $2500 here before taxes and the twelves are $1000 each.

Wow! Those prices are high!!

Aptidda 5:13 PM - 28 June, 2018

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I think they're made in Taiwan? That would actually be separate from the trade disputes with China.

I'm worried about the disputes with Canada affecting prices up here. We already pay a premium due to exchange and duty. The 72 is $2500 here before taxes and the twelves are $1000 each.

That's what you get for living in a Socialist country I guess. USA! USA!

Aptidda 5:13 PM - 28 June, 2018

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I think they're made in Taiwan? That would actually be separate from the trade disputes with China.

I'm worried about the disputes with Canada affecting prices up here. We already pay a premium due to exchange and duty. The 72 is $2500 here before taxes and the twelves are $1000 each.

That's what you get for living in a Socialist country I guess. How's the ole free health care for all working out for ya up there? I heard its terrible.

deezlee 6:55 PM - 28 June, 2018

You are being sarcastic right

WildcardX 7:09 PM - 28 June, 2018

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You are being sarcastic right

Don't feed the Troll...Just ignore and keep moving along and respond to the last sensible post on the subject.

dj_soo 7:20 PM - 28 June, 2018

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The 72 is $2500 here before taxes and the twelves are $1000 each.

Wow! Those prices are high!!

For a while, the 62 was selling for $3200 - it's ridiculous.

thorissr 7:52 PM - 28 June, 2018

My observation of the one Rane 12 that I have is that it sounds very digital, and although it’s a digital midi controller, I expected a closer to vinyl sound especially coming from Rane. I have the Rane 12 on the left of the 72 and my plx 1000 on the right, and when I queue a song on some vocals, or simply scratch on vocals it’s sounds unnatural and not even close to Serato vinyl with m447s. Downbeats are on point but the vocal scratch isn’t cutting it for me. I watched every scratch video and can’t really discern sound wise if it sounds like my experience. Running lowest latency on a Mid 2014 15 MacBook Pro 2.5ghz.

I guess I was expecting to much out of a midi controller. I will play around with it for couple more days, but I will most likely be returning it. I really wanted to like it, plus lose some transporting pounds. I’ll hold out and hope my Phase pre order don’t get pushed back.

Chino 8:00 PM - 28 June, 2018

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My observation of the one Rane 12 that I have is that it sounds very digital

You're breaking my heart! Everytime I think I'll just sell my 3900s & get the Rane 12, something else stops me like your above observations. Damn.

I guess I'll just rock with what I have until Phase is released or maybe a more portable version of the 12 is announced.

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when I queue a song on some vocals, or simply scratch on vocals it’s sounds unnatural and not even close to Serato vinyl with m447s.

Is the sound any different when you switch from high to low torque?

Aptidda 8:27 PM - 28 June, 2018

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My observation of the one Rane 12 that I have is that it sounds very digital, and although it’s a digital midi controller, I expected a closer to vinyl sound especially coming from Rane. I have the Rane 12 on the left of the 72 and my plx 1000 on the right, and when I queue a song on some vocals, or simply scratch on vocals it’s sounds unnatural and not even close to Serato vinyl with m447s. Downbeats are on point but the vocal scratch isn’t cutting it for me. I watched every scratch video and can’t really discern sound wise if it sounds like my experience. Running lowest latency on a Mid 2014 15 MacBook Pro 2.5ghz.

I guess I was expecting to much out of a midi controller. I will play around with it for couple more days, but I will most likely be returning it. I really wanted to like it, plus lose some transporting pounds. I’ll hold out and hope my Phase pre order don’t get pushed back.

A really good question would be to know how many "Ticks of revolution" a Serato Vinyl has vs. the Rane 12 "3600 Ticks of Resolution". I remember when I had a Numark V7 that had "3600 Ticks of Resolution" as well. So in a sense the Rane 12 will have the seem vinyl feedback at the Numark V7 / NS7.

thorissr 8:29 PM - 28 June, 2018

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My observation of the one Rane 12 that I have is that it sounds very digital

You're breaking my heart! Everytime I think I'll just sell my 3900s & get the Rane 12, something else stops me like your above observations. Damn.

I guess I'll just rock with what I have until Phase is released or maybe a more portable version of the 12 is announced.

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when I queue a song on some vocals, or simply scratch on vocals it’s sounds unnatural and not even close to Serato vinyl with m447s.

Is the sound any different when you switch from high to low torque?

Not all.... I tried everything to get it as close to Serato’s performance vinyl but no dice. As a matter of fact the 3700’s and 390’s blow the 12s out the water! Trust me I’ve owned both models of the Denon rotating platters.

Aptidda 8:41 PM - 28 June, 2018

yep I had a 3900 and wish I never sold it, it was a beauty and scratching on it was dope. I wonder how many ticks of resolution the 3900 has.

Chino 8:44 PM - 28 June, 2018

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Not all.... I tried everything to get it as close to Serato’s performance vinyl but no dice. As a matter of fact the 3700’s and 3900’s blow the 12s out the water! Trust me I’ve owned both models of the Denon rotating platters.

Good to know! This is why I always come to this forum & ask a lot of questions about DJ products from DJs who actually use/own the products BEFORE I buy!! I don't trust most manufacturers. It's all about the sale (almighty $$$) to them.

Thanks again for your feedback- much appreciated!!!

Joshua Carl 10:05 PM - 28 June, 2018

One MUST for anyone cutting is to have the toggle on/off Pitch N Time.
I said the same thing, one of my goto cuts is a tear/drag on the end of a combo.
The key locks make em impossible to accurate

At the end of the day, the Twelve is HID mode (same as a CDJ) just with a higher resolution.
Aka: More points for a more accurate signal, especially on small & Slow movements.

Every time I use a cdj, even though I KNOWWW it’s the same file, I feel like i SOUNDS digital.
I even can hear/feel the the difference between 2.0 and 2.5 vinyl and the way it cuts.
And for even more variations, you can change the needle voltage, and each increment behaves differently.
I got on my homie’s techs and couldn’t do fast chirps, he had it on 9.5 (the prescribed setting for 44-7:; and I’ve been on 3.5 for a decade.

So the change from a actual control tone to a HID signal is a bit jarring out the gate.

dj_soo 10:29 PM - 28 June, 2018

3900 feels great, but the sticker drift is annoying and ultra slow drags crap out on the platter.

I'm assuming the resolution feels better on the 3900 because it's timecode rather than midi.

I was finding the same issues when testing out the ddj 1000 even though it's a static platter. For the most part, fast cuts sounded great, but even with key lock off, slow scratches sounded really digital - which I thought was an issue with rekordbox at first, but timecode didn't have that issue.

thorissr 11:06 PM - 28 June, 2018

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3900 feels great, but the sticker drift is annoying and ultra slow drags crap out on the platter.

I'm assuming the resolution feels better on the 3900 because it's timecode rather than midi.

I was finding the same issues when testing out the ddj 1000 even though it's a static platter. For the most part, fast cuts sounded great, but even with key lock off, slow scratches sounded really digital - which I thought was an issue with rekordbox at first, but timecode didn't have that issue.

That’s spot on with my observation with the ddj 1000 on rbdj in comparison to using dvs with my s9.

In regard to the rane 12...I don’t use pitch n time( it’s deactivated), and I tried fast and slow movement with key lock off...same results. When executing fast movements for instance simple stabs on turntables you get a distinguishable scratch sound. However, when I attempt to stab on the 12 you can still hear the actual sound in which I’m stabbing. It’s as if pitch and time is activated and it’s attempting to counter the fast movement to maintain the integrity of the song (Tempo). Say for example the infamous AH Yeah scratching sound can be purposefully manipulate in a fashion where you can’t distinguish those 2 words when scratching depending on which scratching techniques you are using. Yet no matter how fast I cut in and/ or bring back my cut on that phrase at the beginning of it, I can clearly hear the AH word and not the stabbing scratching sound I’m accustomed to on TTs w/vinyl.

I’m glad someone mentioned the PnT because that’s exactly the effect I’m getting with the rane 12, but I know for a fact it’s not activated because way back when it was discovered that it doesn’t bode well with scratching I dumped it and never looked back.

I checked every setting within the menu thinking maybe there’s a special setting specifically for the Rane 12 that I may have missed, but nothing has changed other than it shows up under the midi tab. I hate to send it back but for $800 I was looking at cutting costs (needles,vinyl) and dropping 9lbs per table. I just don’t think the pros outweigh the cons on this purchase.

thorissr 11:34 PM - 28 June, 2018

Update:
I checked everything such as settings, torque, latency, usb ports...you name it I tried it. This is when I noticed that I'm still on SDJ 2.02, so off I went to download and install 2.03. Same results. :( I recalled watching a video while I was waiting on my 12 to arrive. The video was only about how to properly assemble the Rane 12, and he stated that you must be meticulous when tightening up the vinyl to the spindle. He went on to say that based on how you set your vinyl on the spindle has everything to do with the results in which you are trying to achieve.

I found my allen wrench and played with bringing the vinyl up and down on the spindle multiple times, and I must've hit the sweet spot. It now sounds the way i expected it to sound. By no means can it top the sound of vinyl, but it's pretty darn close to it!!

I hope this helps someone who may do what i did, by being anxious when it arrived and assembled it in under 5 minutes. :) The way you permanently tighten your vinyl on the spindle can and will affect the way it sounds. If you aren't a scratcher you may never notice it, so scratchers have been warned...dial that vinyl in until you get the proper sound you are seeking!

Thanks

dj_soo 11:48 PM - 28 June, 2018

I've heard that you do have to calibrate the Twelves a decent amount in terms of tightening and loosening the platter clamp to get that sweet spot. While I appreciate the level of customization in terms of feel for the new rane stuff, I do wish they had designed a more convenient way of doing it rather than having to use an allen key or, in the case of tightening up the faders on the 72, the fact you have to take off the faceplate.

thorissr 11:56 PM - 28 June, 2018

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I've heard that you do have to calibrate the Twelves a decent amount in terms of tightening and loosening the platter clamp to get that sweet spot. While I appreciate the level of customization in terms of feel for the new rane stuff, I do wish they had designed a more convenient way of doing it rather than having to use an allen key or, in the case of tightening up the faders on the 72, the fact you have to take off the faceplate.

Exactly....and "decent amount" is an understatement!!

HK1200 12:24 AM - 29 June, 2018

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I've heard that you do have to calibrate the Twelves a decent amount in terms of tightening and loosening the platter clamp to get that sweet spot. While I appreciate the level of customization in terms of feel for the new rane stuff, I do wish they had designed a more convenient way of doing it rather than having to use an allen key or, in the case of tightening up the faders on the 72, the fact you have to take off the faceplate.

Agreed, especially about having to pull the cover. If folks get used to a certain level of tightness on one 72, it would be nice to know that the next 72 you happen to stand in front of isn't going to feel significantly different than you're used to with no ability to adjust it on the fly. I mean, yeah, you'd still get by, but your performance may or may not lose a little something in the process. Guess it is what it is though, at least until the mkII.

Aptidda 3:47 PM - 29 June, 2018

Have you guys checked out the offerings for the platter from 12inch skinz? That looks like it may relieve all of these fiddly issues you are having with setting the tension.

thorissr 4:30 PM - 29 June, 2018

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Have you guys checked out the offerings for the platter from 12inch skinz? That looks like it may relieve all of these fiddly issues you are having with setting the tension.

They look nice, and I read on their Facebook page that Rane Twelves are now shipping with the white version instead of the black ones. The white version will now be included as part of the Twelve's standard package.

Aptidda 4:39 PM - 29 June, 2018

I think they should ship with both, the white version and a regular vinyl version.

Chino 7:40 PM - 29 June, 2018

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They look nice, and I read on their Facebook page that Rane Twelves are now shipping with the white version instead of the black ones. The white version will now be included as part of the Twelve's standard package.

I'd like to see a CLEAR acrylic version. That way custom slim mats can be seen & it doesn't get as dirty.

thorissr 4:57 PM - 30 June, 2018

Just took delivery of my 2nd Rane 12 this morning.....rane setup complete!!! It came with the white vinyl. I guess I’ll contact 12 inch Skinz to modify my existing order since it hasn’t shipped yet to exchange one of the whites for another cue color.

05spoof 6:42 PM - 3 July, 2018

Do they actually feel like 1200’s like the name suggest? Im not fan of the feel of super oems.

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At the end of the day, the Twelve is HID mode (same as a CDJ) just with a higher resolution.
Aka: More points for a more accurate signal, especially on small & Slow movements.

Every time I use a cdj, even though I KNOWWW it’s the same file, I feel like i SOUNDS digital.
I even can hear/feel the the difference between 2.0 and 2.5 vinyl and the way it cuts.
And for even more variations, you can change the needle voltage, and each increment behaves differently.
I got on my homie’s techs and couldn’t do fast chirps, he had it on 9.5 (the prescribed setting for 44-7:; and I’ve been on 3.5 for a decade.

So the change from a actual control tone to a HID signal is a bit jarring out the gate.

The idea that they react like cdj’s in HID scares me off.... At least for me.. when I’ve used cdj’s in HID its been a super lagging experience.

Somebody [wink wink] please bring back full size standalone media turntables.

Illiment 6:56 PM - 7 July, 2018

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I'd like to see a CLEAR acrylic version. That way custom slim mats can be seen & it doesn't get as dirty.

12inchskinz can do it however you want, their system comes with an adapter too so you can swap out control vinyl easy. I just copped the standard rane yellow ones. Still waiting for my twelves smh

fvckJuly 7:17 AM - 9 July, 2018

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So in a sense the Rane 12 will have the seem vinyl feedback at the Numark V7 / NS7.

don't the Numarks use timecode as opposed to HID? because I think that's where the problems at.

WildcardX 11:11 AM - 9 July, 2018

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So in a sense the Rane 12 will have the seem vinyl feedback at the Numark V7 / NS7.

don't the Numarks use timecode as opposed to HID? because I think that's where the problems at.

Numark V7 are midi controllers and don't use time code.

Mutis Mayfield 2:25 PM - 9 July, 2018

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So in a sense the Rane 12 will have the seem vinyl feedback at the Numark V7 / NS7.

don't the Numarks use timecode as opposed to HID? because I think that's where the problems at.

These you point are denons...

Aptidda 3:36 PM - 9 July, 2018

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So in a sense the Rane 12 will have the seem vinyl feedback at the Numark V7 / NS7.

don't the Numarks use timecode as opposed to HID? because I think that's where the problems at.

No they do not use the "timecode". Have you even seen a V7 before? How would it transmit timecode without a stylus reading the grooves?

I am almost positive that the rane 12's have the exact same "technology" as far as platter movement than the ns7 and v7's had. All units share the same 3600 ticks of resolution and have the same way to mount the vinyl to the spindle via small allen key.

Taipanic 4:33 PM - 9 July, 2018

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No they do not use the "timecode". Have you even seen a V7 before? How would it transmit timecode without a stylus reading the grooves?

You must be new here, lots of gear can read time codes without having a stylus including CDJs, Denon HS5500s, DNX3700s & DNS3900s.

Aptidda 4:59 PM - 9 July, 2018

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No they do not use the "timecode". Have you even seen a V7 before? How would it transmit timecode without a stylus reading the grooves?

You must be new here, lots of gear can read time codes without having a stylus including CDJs, Denon HS5500s, DNX3700s & DNS3900s.

I am talking about the Numark V7 / Numark NS7 genius. Zero "Timecode".

You are mentioning "CD Players" that play "Timecode discs", or units with timecode audio built in natively. The Numark V7/ NS7 does not have "CD Players" and runs on the same tech as the Rane 12.

Slap. Sit down and get out of here with your nonsensical CD Player garbage you child.

Joshua Carl 12:47 AM - 10 July, 2018

For argument sake, I believe the in-music family uses the term “ultra high resolution MIDI” (or something tonthat effect
But for the Twelve I don’t think they’ve given it
A clever name yet. Just stating the resolution amounts. (I’m not sure if that’s by design or not)

Where as Pioneer uses “HID”
(hardware interface device)

And obviously “control tone/or signal” is basically
Left to transmit either on-board (hybrid/thumb drive), or good old rca cable + hardware.

Personally I’ve been plugging a venue’s 2 CDJ2000s INTO my 72 and it’s magic.
(I’m only allowed to swap out the mixer there,
Otherwise I’d have twelves)
I, like most 1200 guys, was real bull-headed about having turntables everywhere. But having used the different variants of digital control I can really appreciate the jump forward, esp with the Twelve & 3900 really makin it feel close to OG vinyl control

Chino 7:51 PM - 13 July, 2018

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But having used the different variants of digital control I can really appreciate the jump forward, esp with the Twelve & 3900 really makin it feel close to OG vinyl control

+1. My 3900s with the Rane 72 is my main mobile setup now. I'm waiting for Rane to release a portable 9" or 10" version of the Twelve with USB playback capabilities.

dj_soo 8:52 PM - 13 July, 2018

I still think it's more likely that they release a mixer with usb playback capabilities that wil work with the twelves.

MPC O.G. 10:39 PM - 13 July, 2018

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I still think it's more likely that they release a mixer with usb playback capabilities that wil work with the twelves.

They will probably just add another top mounted usb jack on the top of the 72.

Mutis Mayfield 11:38 AM - 15 July, 2018

They could improve Numark Dashboard and bring it for all users.

lvmez 8:38 PM - 15 July, 2018

I still have not sent my Rane Twelve in for the recall. Are they sending them back with the white vinyl?

fvckJuly 9:28 AM - 16 July, 2018

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How would it transmit timecode without a stylus reading the grooves?

LMAO ap went from troll to full retard once again

Illiment 5:15 PM - 21 July, 2018

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How would it transmit timecode without a stylus reading the grooves?

LMAO ap went from troll to full retard once again

hahahaha ask him how phase works

Dj Wunder 8:04 PM - 21 July, 2018

I for one hope they make a V2 some day and bring back the tonearm. I think they went a little too "Steve Jobs" with taking away the ability to play vinyl, and it's the only reason I passed on these. If I had all the digital goodness that the Twelves bring, along with the ability to play the occasional record, that would be perfect. Doesn't need to be a crazy high-end tonearm and cart, just something to drop my vinyl on so I don't need to switch between 2 setups. If it made any financial sense from a production standpoint, maybe they could even offer 2 models: one with a cheap tonearm just for emergencies and occasional listening, and another with a battle-level tonearm for ultimate compatibility.

Just my 2c. Maybe I'm living in the dark ages trying to still DJ with vinyl...

05spoof 10:21 PM - 21 July, 2018

when will we see that motorized sc5000 cousin with dual decks?

DJ Jonasty 6:46 AM - 24 July, 2018

I'll never get these because I too enjoying playing a record.

05spoof 6:27 PM - 26 July, 2018

do you enjoy carrying them as well?

Mr. Goodkat 8:49 PM - 26 July, 2018

twelves are only 4 lbs lighter

05spoof 9:08 PM - 27 July, 2018

Meant carrying crates

Aptidda 9:30 PM - 27 July, 2018

I struggle to find the purpose of bringing two (2) rane 12's to gigs.... Why wouldn't you just bring one (1)? When I had a numark V7 I only used one when I would gig out and it worked great as you can control both decks from the single unit.

GusGomez 10:23 PM - 27 July, 2018

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I struggle to find the purpose of bringing two (2) rane 12's to gigs.... Why wouldn't you just bring one (1)? When I had a numark V7 I only used one when I would gig out and it worked great as you can control both decks from the single unit.

I personally hate playing on one side but I know a lot of Dj’s that play on on side even with a controller

novakone 12:20 AM - 29 July, 2018

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I struggle to find the purpose of bringing two (2) rane 12's to gigs.... Why wouldn't you just bring one (1)? When I had a numark V7 I only used one when I would gig out and it worked great as you can control both decks from the single unit.

I personally hate playing on one side but I know a lot of Dj’s that play on on side even with a controller

I find certain cuts much tighter on one side.
Chirps and stabs on one and Flares & crabs on the other.

Comfortable playin out on both sides tho.
Would feel a bit lop sided just using one TT personally

dj_soo 4:02 AM - 29 July, 2018

I'm playing on one deck right now. For smaller booths and stuff it's nice.

That said, I can cut a hell of a lot better on one side than the other.

AKIEM 9:47 PM - 31 July, 2018

My TWELVE shows up after the long wait (nicely priced)

There is no vinyl or 45 adapter in the box.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes two screws to the 45 adapter - and thats it.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes the 45 adapter.

Call inMusic.
They say the will send it out.

I found a screw that fit in the meantime. Plastic headshell screw I had to cut to length.
And today in the mail come a box with 5! tiny screws each separate wrapped in huge bubble wrap.
(like I keep loosing them or something)

I guess my white vinyl is on back order, least Im up and running.

grade: C-

Chino 11:44 PM - 31 July, 2018

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I'm playing on one deck right now. For smaller booths and stuff it's nice.

That said, I can cut a hell of a lot better on one side than the other.

+1

CMOS 11:45 PM - 31 July, 2018

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My TWELVE shows up after the long wait (nicely priced)

There is no vinyl or 45 adapter in the box.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes two screws to the 45 adapter - and thats it.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes the 45 adapter.

Call inMusic.
They say the will send it out.

I found a screw that fit in the meantime. Plastic headshell screw I had to cut to length.
And today in the mail come a box with 5! tiny screws each separate wrapped in huge bubble wrap.
(like I keep loosing them or something)

I guess my white vinyl is on back order, least Im up and running.

grade: C-

You shouldve asked for screws on the 2nd call, they wouldve sent the vinyl.

Chino 11:46 PM - 31 July, 2018

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My TWELVE shows up after the long wait (nicely priced)

There is no vinyl or 45 adapter in the box.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes two screws to the 45 adapter - and thats it.

Call inMusic.
They say they will send it out.
In the mail comes the 45 adapter.

Call inMusic.
They say the will send it out.

I found a screw that fit in the meantime. Plastic headshell screw I had to cut to length.
And today in the mail come a box with 5! tiny screws each separate wrapped in huge bubble wrap.
(like I keep loosing them or something)

I guess my white vinyl is on back order, least Im up and running.

grade: C-

I miss the LEGACY Rane company. They were on top of their customer service game!!

AKIEM 12:04 AM - 1 August, 2018

yeah, not really mad about it. sure they have some things to figure out - just don't think that would have happened with the old Rane.

I should have told them the whole deck was missing.

Illiment 2:13 AM - 1 August, 2018

Just got mine and anyone talking shit on them that doesn't have or haven't played on them yet should stfu until they do.

These things are DOPE. The main positive for me is the absence of sticker drift. In that way they are more like real vinyl than control records/dvs. Scratches in particular that used to give me trouble were fast chirps and chirp flares. I feel like I can do them wayyyy more consistent and clean on these.

But that's just me.

Back to your nitpicking re: recessed plugs and whatever....

AKIEM 3:28 AM - 1 August, 2018

so. overall it's dope.

I haven't looked into what adjustments there are yet. but I do hear the 'digital choppiness' at very low speed scratching. that's not really a problem for me.

The stop button is clicky, not a big deal just doesn't have that smooth feel.

fader is very smooth, hope it stays that way. I would like it better if it was slightly recessed.

much more accurate pitch than I am used to, not sure if I like that yet.

at this point I doubt I will ever use the deck selection and stick with Instant Doubles,...

nope, I don't like the touch strip cues. they work OK. surprisingly you can touch them to find the button then "press" when you are ready. BUT, there were some none fires, they just aren't better than regular buttons.

The scrub mode is OK. I don't need it much anymore. and I would rather just look at the screen so I can see the waves. buttons would just be much better.

better to tap on.

theres a lot of room inside this deck, plenty of customization possibilities.

making the back panel recessed would have been easy. but also could be a custom job if you really need disco style

dj_soo 4:35 AM - 1 August, 2018

I feel like angled IEC and usb would work fine.

Give the club style guys the pain we battle style users have had to deal with when playing on mk2s and the dust cover connector all these years....

AKIEM 6:05 AM - 1 August, 2018

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I feel like angled IEC and usb would work fine.

Give the club style guys the pain we battle style users have had to deal with when playing on mk2s and the dust cover connector all these years....

I agree - lmao.

but it could be done

Illiment 3:58 PM - 1 August, 2018

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Update:
I checked everything such as settings, torque, latency, usb ports...you name it I tried it. This is when I noticed that I'm still on SDJ 2.02, so off I went to download and install 2.03. Same results. :( I recalled watching a video while I was waiting on my 12 to arrive. The video was only about how to properly assemble the Rane 12, and he stated that you must be meticulous when tightening up the vinyl to the spindle. He went on to say that based on how you set your vinyl on the spindle has everything to do with the results in which you are trying to achieve.

I found my allen wrench and played with bringing the vinyl up and down on the spindle multiple times, and I must've hit the sweet spot. It now sounds the way i expected it to sound. By no means can it top the sound of vinyl, but it's pretty darn close to it!!

I hope this helps someone who may do what i did, by being anxious when it arrived and assembled it in under 5 minutes. :) The way you permanently tighten your vinyl on the spindle can and will affect the way it sounds. If you aren't a scratcher you may never notice it, so scratchers have been warned...dial that vinyl in until you get the proper sound you are seeking!

Thanks

was it just the height on the spindle that affected the sound or the tightness of the screw to the spindle?

05spoof 2:23 PM - 5 August, 2018

Dealt with inmusic Rane awhile back and ended up having a numark rep asisst me on a few occassions with my mixer issues. Don’t know if thats troubling sign but it indicates Rane of old is long gone.

Djkom 5:01 PM - 11 August, 2018

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Something interesting here drive.google.com !!!

This might blow out Rane 12s, Phase DJ, everything up here even CDJs !!!

So it wasn't a fake...sc5000m seen 4 months ago

DJ Merci 1:47 PM - 12 August, 2018

Denon SC5000M looks like the rane 12 killer

Step Up

AKIEM 3:54 PM - 12 August, 2018

lol the haters return

DJ GaFFle 5:04 PM - 12 August, 2018

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Denon SC5000M

They should have made the platter 9" instead of 7 inches. They just used their SC3900 stock of components. A 9" platter would have been the sweet spot, when will they learn?

DJ GaFFle 5:12 PM - 12 August, 2018

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Denon SC5000M

They should have made the platter 9" instead of 7 inches. They just used their SC3900 stock of components. A 9" platter would have been the sweet spot, when will they learn?

^^^ Jackass alert... The Denon 3900's HAVE 9" platters already. The 7" platter was the beef I had with the Numark NS7's. Regardless, I didn't love the response of the 3900's overall which is why I sold them. I wonder if they've improved the feel of these SC5000M's.

dj_soo 7:57 PM - 12 August, 2018

Did you just reply to yourself calling yourself a jackass?

dj_soo 7:58 PM - 12 August, 2018

I’m sure the response will be better as they are likely using the same or similar tech as the twelves.

Djkom 8:17 PM - 12 August, 2018

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Denon SC5000M

They should have made the platter 9" instead of 7 inches. They just used their SC3900 stock of components. A 9" platter would have been the sweet spot, when will they learn?

If you look thé sc5000m design, a custom 9" vinyl could fit without altering the buttons/controls around

MPC O.G. 9:40 PM - 12 August, 2018

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Denon SC5000M looks like the rane 12 killer

Step Up

It's ALL InMusic Corp..... They are maximizing profit and market share. Nothing more, nothing less.

DJ GaFFle 12:03 PM - 13 August, 2018

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Did you just reply to yourself calling yourself a jackass?

Yeah, because I misspoke calling the 5000M out as a 7" platter.

05spoof 2:27 PM - 13 August, 2018

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Denon SC5000M

They should have made the platter 9" instead of 7 inches. They just used their SC3900 stock of components. A 9" platter would have been the sweet spot, when will they learn?

If you look thé sc5000m design, a custom 9" vinyl could fit without altering the buttons/controls around

12inchskinz with an aftermarket platter maybe??? Don't know if it would be a 9" probably an 8" if they go after it.

dj_spark 2:04 PM - 14 August, 2018

That SC5000m is interesting, I am very tempted. The 9" mod is easy, my V7 is already modded like that since years.
Just need to check what features you will loose because you won't have access to the buttons.

05spoof 5:44 PM - 15 August, 2018

^did you actually modify the platter or just put a larger vinyl? If you modded the platter...got any pics.

dj_spark 1:59 PM - 16 August, 2018

Just a larger vinyl.

Bondage 8:10 PM - 17 August, 2018

SC 5000M looks nice but I was playing on my Rane 72 and 12's and I noticed how much space I had on my 12 ... Just my platter and a pitch... No worry to touch buttons !!

My hands on it, chill pitching -> my phone next to my crossfader on 72 (still place to cut), very nice gear to play at after your day work when you are lazy...

pS: Also the effect's on the Rane 72 are MEGA dope (combo move's) !! But I must say I am just recent in love with them ... Before it was more a hate/fight relation !! Fantastic gear

Aptidda 11:00 PM - 17 August, 2018

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SC 5000M looks nice but I was playing on my Rane 72 and 12's and I noticed how much space I had on my 12 ... Just my platter and a pitch... No worry to touch buttons !!

My hands on it, chill pitching -> my phone next to my crossfader on 72 (still place to cut), very nice gear to play at after your day work when you are lazy...

pS: Also the effect's on the Rane 72 are MEGA dope (combo move's) !! But I must say I am just recent in love with them ... Before it was more a hate/fight relation !! Fantastic gear

Right? Man this setup is one for the ages. Certainly is the BEST setup out there hands down these days. With a 12 or 1200, the 72 does you right!

So Fresh 2:39 PM - 5 September, 2018

www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

So Fresh 2:44 PM - 5 September, 2018

I have not used the 12's but i'm sure they are amazing!! but for the price its a bit closed only being serato, think they missed a trick not making the sc5000M 10" at least as it makes a diffrence for sure.

going to shake these mkii's down tonight but i'm really shocked how much of a diffence its made and lets face it, how sexy they look:)

Chino 5:12 PM - 5 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

DOPE!! I'm soooo tempted to buy these instead of the 12s. Did you already have the players & have them modded afterwards? Are they available for sale already modded? I wonder how much shipping & customs/taxes would be to have a set delivered to the States?

Djkom 7:19 PM - 5 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

Nice ! 'I'm still wondering how the vinyl could generate midi signals since there's no spindle fixed to it ... I would be cool if this could be adapted to the sc5000m or even V7/NS7, it would save a lot of space on those tiny 7" records

Bondage 7:40 PM - 5 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

Nice ! 'I'm still wondering how the vinyl could generate midi signals since there's no spindle fixed to it ... I would be cool if this could be adapted to the sc5000m or even V7/NS7, it would save a lot of space on those tiny 7" records

I got new spare parts for SL DZ 1200 !! If you need ... Pitch, new sensor, some things to have better spinning, SD cards 1gb (new), ...

Sl DZ 1200 with Serato was my best best best experience evaaaaaaah !! Mmmmm love them !! But happy with my Rane 12 and I hope they will fix some little issues in the future ...

Mutis Mayfield 8:05 PM - 5 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

Nice ! 'I'm still wondering how the vinyl could generate midi signals since there's no spindle fixed to it ... I would be cool if this could be adapted to the sc5000m or even V7/NS7, it would save a lot of space on those tiny 7" records

From what? Modded sldz? Probably used a denon motor or similar which has includded the encoder like v7, cdx, 12’...

dj_soo 8:12 PM - 5 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

Nice ! 'I'm still wondering how the vinyl could generate midi signals since there's no spindle fixed to it ... I would be cool if this could be adapted to the sc5000m or even V7/NS7, it would save a lot of space on those tiny 7" records

The mod comes with a preloaded SD card with the control tone. Getting the old dz to work is a pain as it required proprietary software to read the SD card that's really hard to find.

I also believe that the dz1200 used a proprietary sensor technology as opposed to the licking spindle that numark and Denon used back in the cdx/SC days which might be more accurate.

So Fresh 11:19 PM - 5 September, 2018

I can’t compare to the 12’s or sc5000 ,v7’s or 3800’s but they were so solid today, really really lovely feel. Very close to 1200’s or turntables, not 100% but very close.

Million times more fun than cdj’s

Also

I got both dz’s in a padded camera bag and s9 in back pack. Super light weight and I didn’t feel like I lost anything.

I’d say 10 mins more set up time then a controller but 100% more fun.

Got so many compliments as well:)

Cost of both moded is much much less than 1 12

More testing needed but day 1 i’m Super happy and really glad I haven’t gone with the 12’s

I’ve got my 2300’s for proper gigs with phase on the way:) and these for fun little controller type gigs.

dj_soo 12:16 AM - 6 September, 2018

I've pretty much ditched using controllers for a single sc3900 and my 72. Heavier, and longer setup, but so much more fun to play on. For mobiles, I'll bring the 2nd 3900 out.

Mutis Mayfield 8:53 AM - 6 September, 2018

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www.instagram.com

just picked up my dz1200 mkii and WOW

Nice ! 'I'm still wondering how the vinyl could generate midi signals since there's no spindle fixed to it ... I would be cool if this could be adapted to the sc5000m or even V7/NS7, it would save a lot of space on those tiny 7" records

The mod comes with a preloaded SD card with the control tone. Getting the old dz to work is a pain as it required proprietary software to read the SD card that's really hard to find.

I also believe that the dz1200 used a proprietary sensor technology as opposed to the licking spindle that numark and Denon used back in the cdx/SC days which might be more accurate.

OG no doubt, modded most probably using spare parts. Rebuilding motor part to achieve the same results will be a huge engineering effort totally unnecessary. The only “theoretical” and easy improvement someone could perform to these could be increase the encoder resolution but it will require more space under the motor or very high lightsensor. Other systems are posible such magnetic encoders (like phase or sc1000) but hard to implement inside the motor cabinet.

lvmez 3:25 AM - 13 October, 2018

What is the turnaround when sending the Rane Twelve to InMusic for the software update?

Thanks.

slimmjimm 1:49 AM - 11 December, 2018

Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

Mr. Goodkat 1:53 AM - 11 December, 2018

what was wrong with em?

slimmjimm 2:23 AM - 11 December, 2018

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what was wrong with em?

Stop/Start buttons broke, still usable, but leaned to one side.

lvmez 2:26 AM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

I've owned my Twelve for a while but never sent it for the recall. I sent it in a few weeks and was recently told by Rane that I was getting a replacement Twelve. Did your Twelve come with the white vinyl?

DJ_X_Trodinaire 2:45 AM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

Pictures?

slimmjimm 2:56 AM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

I've owned my Twelve for a while but never sent it for the recall. I sent it in a few weeks and was recently told by Rane that I was getting a replacement Twelve. Did your Twelve come with the white vinyl?

Yeah, I got the new vinyl. I was never told of getting a replacement. I figured when I looked at the boxes, that they were replaced. I’m actually a tad pissed I sent in my clear LYM and didn’t get it back lol.

[IMG]i67.tinypic.com[/IMG]

kip 3:22 AM - 11 December, 2018

Not having this set from the beginning and changing the design on the fly speaks a lot for the company.

dj_soo 3:33 AM - 11 December, 2018

Between the redesign and the firmware updates to the 72 adding useful, requested features, it’s a great sign that the new Rane is definitely trying to make a real go at the top again.

AKIEM 4:47 AM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

I've owned my Twelve for a while but never sent it for the recall. I sent it in a few weeks and was recently told by Rane that I was getting a replacement Twelve. Did your Twelve come with the white vinyl?

Yeah, I got the new vinyl. I was never told of getting a replacement. I figured when I looked at the boxes, that they were replaced. I’m actually a tad pissed I sent in my clear LYM and didn’t get it back lol.

[IMG]i67.tinypic.com[/IMG]

takes care of about 1/3 of the complaints.

Djkom 1:23 PM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

I've owned my Twelve for a while but never sent it for the recall. I sent it in a few weeks and was recently told by Rane that I was getting a replacement Twelve. Did your Twelve come with the white vinyl?

Yeah, I got the new vinyl. I was never told of getting a replacement. I figured when I looked at the boxes, that they were replaced. I’m actually a tad pissed I sent in my clear LYM and didn’t get it back lol.

[IMG]i67.tinypic.com[/IMG]

Very VERY strange design ! Not only it will be a pain to turn on/off the unit but it will also damage/wring the cables !!!
Can you make more rear photos of this unit with cables attached ?

slimmjimm 2:56 PM - 11 December, 2018

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Well, a major flaw has been fixed, and the cables are now recessed under the cabinet. Mine went in for service, and came back with 2 brand new units.

I've owned my Twelve for a while but never sent it for the recall. I sent it in a few weeks and was recently told by Rane that I was getting a replacement Twelve. Did your Twelve come with the white vinyl?

Yeah, I got the new vinyl. I was never told of getting a replacement. I figured when I looked at the boxes, that they were replaced. I’m actually a tad pissed I sent in my clear LYM and didn’t get it back lol.

[IMG]i67.tinypic.com[/IMG]

Very VERY strange design ! Not only it will be a pain to turn on/off the unit but it will also damage/wring the cables !!!
Can you make more rear photos of this unit with cables attached ?

Yes, it will be a pain with the power, but the cables will be fine, unless you want to use an unnecessary heavy gauge wire. I’ll try and snap more when I have a chance sometime soon ish

DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:34 PM - 11 December, 2018

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[IMG]i67.tinypic.com[/IMG]

Yes, it will be a pain with the power, but the cables will be fine, unless you want to use an unnecessary heavy gauge wire. I’ll try and snap more when I have a chance sometime soon ish

Thanks for Sharing!

Chino 4:19 PM - 11 December, 2018

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Yes, it will be a pain with the power, but the cables will be fine, unless you want to use an unnecessary heavy gauge wire.

I appreciate the effort Rane has put forth to improve the Twelves. A better design would of been to mimic the Mixers Quattro mixer. The Quattro has a recessed back allowing for easy cable connection & wire protection.

www.bhphotovideo.com

dj_soo 12:36 AM - 12 December, 2018

Or even mimic the VL12s

lvmez 2:27 AM - 12 December, 2018

Just got my Twelve back from Rane today and they replaced it. New design just like SlimmJimm. I had ordered a 12inch Skinz for it but now it looks funny because it has the slot for the power supply.

i1222.photobucket.com
i1222.photobucket.com

GusGomez 2:33 AM - 12 December, 2018

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Just got my Twelve back from Rane today and they replaced it. New design just like SlimmJimm. I had ordered a 12inch Skinz for it but now it looks funny because it has the slot for the power supply.

i1222.photobucket.com
i1222.photobucket.com

I need to send mine but I got gigs on Fridays and Saturdays might have to send em out Monday and hope to get em by Thursday

lvmez 2:48 AM - 12 December, 2018

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Just got my Twelve back from Rane today and they replaced it. New design just like SlimmJimm. I had ordered a 12inch Skinz for it but now it looks funny because it has the slot for the power supply.

i1222.photobucket.com
i1222.photobucket.com

I need to send mine but I got gigs on Fridays and Saturdays might have to send em out Monday and hope to get em by Thursday

If it is a replacement, it will take two weeks.

GusGomez 3:05 AM - 12 December, 2018

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Just got my Twelve back from Rane today and they replaced it. New design just like SlimmJimm. I had ordered a 12inch Skinz for it but now it looks funny because it has the slot for the power supply.

i1222.photobucket.com
i1222.photobucket.com

I need to send mine but I got gigs on Fridays and Saturdays might have to send em out Monday and hope to get em by Thursday

If it is a replacement, it will take two weeks.

Oh damn that’s way too long

Djkom 1:53 PM - 12 December, 2018

New design "confirmed"

www.instagram.com

Djkom 1:55 PM - 12 December, 2018

I think Rane can't really officially announce it since they will have to change all current units from angry customers and it will cost a lot !

GusGomez 3:59 PM - 12 December, 2018

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I think Rane can't really officially announce it since they will have to change all current units from angry customers and it will cost a lot !

thing is i don't know ifDJ's are really gonna like this design change its kind of a pain tbh

Gio Alex 7:20 PM - 12 December, 2018

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thing is i don't know ifDJ's are really gonna like this design change its kind of a pain tbh

This.

I don't know who they're consulting with for these changes, but they should probably take nots from this thread lol

GusGomez 7:32 PM - 12 December, 2018

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thing is i don't know ifDJ's are really gonna like this design change its kind of a pain tbh

This.

I don't know who they're consulting with for these changes, but they should probably take nots from this thread lol

Yeah it doesnt make sense when they're under the same InMusic umbrella that did such a great job with the VL12's recessed ports.

AKIEM 7:55 PM - 12 December, 2018

"you want it recessed? I will show you fuckin recessed in this bitch"
-Rane

Gio Alex 8:06 PM - 12 December, 2018

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"you want it recessed? I will show you fuckin recessed in this bitch"
-Rane

Hilarious!

But seriously, how fucking hard can it be to get this right!?

Gio Alex 8:08 PM - 12 December, 2018

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thing is i don't know ifDJ's are really gonna like this design change its kind of a pain tbh

This.

I don't know who they're consulting with for these changes, but they should probably take nots from this thread lol

Yeah it doesnt make sense when they're under the same InMusic umbrella that did such a great job with the VL12's recessed ports.

I think they're consulting "old heads" who may not care at all about keeping things real tight, and clean. Who the hell knows. It shouldn't be that difficult. Like you said VL12 did it right. Also, there's no tone are in the way so what's the point of having the fader "out of the way"?

GusGomez 8:13 PM - 12 December, 2018

I think they're consulting "old heads" who may not care at all about keeping things real tight, and clean. Who the hell knows. It shouldn't be that difficult. Like you said VL12 did it right. Also, there's no tone are in the way so what's the point of having the fader "out of the way"?
right? like come on! the fader out of the way? if there's no tone arm then there's no reason to have it out the way it's crazy to me how they haven't been able to get this right.

Gio Alex 8:26 PM - 12 December, 2018

That's what I've been saying! Like not having the fader as in very convenient spot is annoying. For instance, you're creating a new problem. Not the platter is in the way of the fader and you can accidentally nudge the platter trying to pitch. Aren't we trying to make things "better"?

AKIEM 8:35 PM - 12 December, 2018

my guess is that there was a limitation in what they could do easy

AKIEM 8:37 PM - 12 December, 2018

my only dislike is the strip thing, wish there were cue buttons instead

AKIEM 8:39 PM - 12 December, 2018

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Gio Alex 8:49 PM - 12 December, 2018

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my only dislike is the strip thing, wish there were cue buttons instead

Another thing that could've been avoided from the jump. People like buttons. Why not just make ableton push style pads?

AKIEM 8:56 PM - 12 December, 2018

they were just trying to keep the idea of needle jump searching. at this point I just use the mouse. a scrub knob would have been better and cheaper.

imo - mac pro keys would be perfect

Gio Alex 9:10 PM - 12 December, 2018

Ah ok, I see.

CMOS 9:29 PM - 12 December, 2018

Someone said "well 1200s have the wires coming out of there so" and they ran with it.

dj_soo 9:46 PM - 12 December, 2018

My guess is that it’s easier and cheaper to implement it this way than a proper recessed back. Likely they would have to redesign the whole housing for something like the vl12 whereas this just requires a new bottom plate, removing the wholes from the back and some easy rerouting of the wires.

I also think they’re just stubbornly set on making sure the units are completely flush and the same length as the 72 and a recessed back like the vl12s would require a larger unit.

Gio Alex 9:47 PM - 12 December, 2018

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I also think they’re just stubbornly set on making sure the units are completely flush and the same length as the 72 and a recessed back like the vl12s would require a larger unit.

If that's the case then why not do it from the jump?

dj_soo 9:51 PM - 12 December, 2018

That’s a really good question. Possibly because the size of the platter or motor doesn’t allow for them to recess it like they would on a VL12 without making the unit the length of a proper turntable?

AKIEM 11:18 PM - 12 December, 2018

nah, I dont think its the size of the plater - if I remember correctly there is plenty of room.

even if its recessed in the back (disco side) people will be mad. and no one wants that big ol industrial switch on the top either

dj_soo 1:00 AM - 13 December, 2018

I’ve definitely gotten used to the pitch on the side after using my 3900s for the last couple years. Definitely like it better despite using battle style for like 17 years straight. I can pitchride and use my pinky finger to hit pads simultaneously which is nice

Illiment 1:06 AM - 13 December, 2018

who was even mad about the power and outputs original location in the first place? Smh.

dj_soo 1:12 AM - 13 December, 2018

some people would prefer the sliders on the side - disco or club style rather than having them on top. The problem with the non-recessed plugs was you couldn't keep the left deck flush against the mixer and would have needed to get angled plugs.

I dunno, nothing worse than using the old 1200 MK2s with the big dustcover slots on the side.

Illiment 2:00 AM - 13 December, 2018

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some people would prefer the sliders on the side - disco or club style rather than having them on top. The problem with the non-recessed plugs was you couldn't keep the left deck flush against the mixer and would have needed to get angled plugs.

I dunno, nothing worse than using the old 1200 MK2s with the big dustcover slots on the side.

lol true. I have a screwdriver in my dj bag that's been in there for years for exactly that reason

slimmjimm 5:10 AM - 13 December, 2018

There’s plenty of room in there, when I had mine apart it really made me question the plug design, which was a jackoff move in the first place.

Gio Alex 2:47 PM - 13 December, 2018

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even if its recessed in the back (disco side) people will be mad. and no one wants that big ol industrial switch on the top either

If they did though more people would actually buy it. This whole thing about making it "battle only" makes no sense. Again, there's no damn tonearm. They're targeting a real specific target audience. Missed opportunity. This could've replaced turntables at certain venues. It's a little late too if you think about it.

Djkom 6:00 PM - 13 December, 2018

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even if its recessed in the back (disco side) people will be mad. and no one wants that big ol industrial switch on the top either

If they did though more people would actually buy it. This whole thing about making it "battle only" makes no sense. Again, there's no damn tonearm. They're targeting a real specific target audience. Missed opportunity. This could've replaced turntables at certain venues. It's a little late too if you think about it.

Yep Even the old TTX was better designed (by the way it's strange because we all know that Numark is behind the scene for the Rane 12).

Like someone said earlier, there might be some old managers in Rane who took this "no risk" decision regarding the design and the audience...but they were completely wrong because they missed the "evolution train" ...

Gio Alex 6:05 PM - 13 December, 2018

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there might be some old managers in Rane who took this "no risk" decision regarding the design and the audience...but they were completely wrong because they missed the "evolution train" ...

This!

DJ Intrigue 9:37 PM - 13 December, 2018

No matter the petty "complaints" regarding the "layout" of the unit this has been Rane's top selling piece of kit in history.

All you people complaining are just fueling the fire and helping to sell more units, thanks guys!

Oh and by the way the Rane 12 is perfect in every way, shape, and form.

Mr. Goodkat 9:59 PM - 13 December, 2018

dammitt aptidda go away

DJ Intrigue 10:02 PM - 13 December, 2018

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dammitt aptidda go away

Quite honestly there is no one on this earth who can stop me. I'm never going away...... ever.

popnwave 10:05 PM - 13 December, 2018

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dammitt aptidda go away

Once the mods notice again...

DJ Intrigue 10:06 PM - 13 December, 2018

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dammitt aptidda go away

Once the mods notice again...

So Ill just create another username with another email address. FUCK YOU ALL! You cant stop me with your cut rate piece of shit DJ setups you fucking PEONS.

Mr. Goodkat 10:09 PM - 13 December, 2018

you should watch the last season of southpark, really puts the troll thing into perspective.

AKIEM 10:10 PM - 13 December, 2018

TWELVE is only near perfect, like the Rane 57MKII

DJ Intrigue 10:13 PM - 13 December, 2018

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you should watch the last season of southpark, really puts the troll thing into perspective.

You really put the POOR FAT LOSER IMAGE into perspective you working class blue collar sack of shit.

Mr. Goodkat 10:15 PM - 13 December, 2018

take your medicine like mommy said aptidda, or they're gonna have to call the police again to take you to the hospital

DJ Intrigue 10:17 PM - 13 December, 2018

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take your medicine like mommy said aptidda, or they're gonna have to call the police again to take you to the hospital

Weak sauce you punk bitch.

Mr. Goodkat 10:19 PM - 13 December, 2018

you can do better, try again, more force, more creativeness -- channel that angry inner adolescent when you hit the showers and realized you had a micropenis

you can do it aptidda!!

DJ Intrigue 10:20 PM - 13 December, 2018

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you can do better, try again, more force, more creativeness -- channel that angry inner adolescent when you hit the showers and realized you had a micropenis

you can do it aptidda!!

WEAK AF....

dj_soo 10:34 PM - 13 December, 2018

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Yep Even the old TTX was better designed (by the way it's strange because we all know that Numark is behind the scene for the Rane 12).

As shit quality as the original TTX1s were (lots of reports of failing components when it first came out - believe the 2nd run was way better), there were a ton of cool innovations in the turntable that I wish had become more stantard.

The ability to move the pitch slider, the swappable S or straight tonearm, and the built-in key lock for vinyl were all pretty cool ideas.

Too bad they fucked up so badly on the first iteration that they basically fucked the rep for their brand for years.

pdidy 1:57 AM - 14 December, 2018

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who was even mad about the power and outputs original location in the first place? Smh.

ME, I was pissed......and I only play in battle style on my 1200's for 20 +years. But once the turntable arm and needle are out of the equation, battle style is pointless and an unnecessary hindrance when it comes to ease of use. Old school traditional style now puts the pitch fader of the rane 12 in a convenient place.

DJ Unique 3:19 AM - 14 December, 2018

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who was even mad about the power and outputs original location in the first place? Smh.

ME, I was pissed......and I only play in battle style on my 1200's for 20 +years. But once the turntable arm and needle are out of the equation, battle style is pointless and an unnecessary hindrance when it comes to ease of use. Old school traditional style now puts the pitch fader of the rane 12 in a convenient place.

This....

DJ Reflex 5:02 AM - 14 December, 2018

^^ Do you guys REALLY knock the tone arm off the record that much in disco style? I've only eve rused disco style TT's for nearly 25 years and I've only knocked the needle off about 5 times... per gig!

pdidy 7:23 AM - 14 December, 2018

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^^ Do you guys REALLY knock the tone arm off the record that much in disco style? I've only eve rused disco style TT's for nearly 25 years and I've only knocked the needle off about 5 times... per gig!

No there is no issue with knocking it off, only the inconvenience of having to be mindful. But this is really about the closer position of the pitch fader.

Gio Alex 2:41 PM - 14 December, 2018

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^^ Do you guys REALLY knock the tone arm off the record that much in disco style? I've only eve rused disco style TT's for nearly 25 years and I've only knocked the needle off about 5 times... per gig!

Same.

At home my setup is disco style. Mostly because it fits better, and I like to take time with my mixes and I use the fader a lot so having it in a convenient place is good for that. At gigs, it's battle style since space is usually and issue and lots of faster mixes and cuts.

CMOS 3:57 PM - 14 December, 2018

Lol my watch caught the tone arm so bad i thought i broke the it once playing disco style. Havent worn a watch or long sleeves while spinning since.

Gio Alex 3:57 PM - 14 December, 2018

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Havent worn a watch or long sleeves while spinning since.

hahaha

pdidy 9:52 PM - 14 December, 2018

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Lol my watch caught the tone arm so bad i thought i broke the it once playing disco style. Havent worn a watch or long sleeves while spinning since.

Yeah long sleeves are dangerous as fuck, I've even knocked the needle off the record in Battle style if few times like that lol.

Gio Alex 9:53 PM - 14 December, 2018

Long loose sleeves for sure will do this

GusGomez 10:21 PM - 14 December, 2018

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Long loose sleeves for sure will do this

Yup also get caught on the crossfader a couple times

DJ Reflex 12:15 AM - 15 December, 2018

Not to stray off topic, but I got my headphone cable caught on a fader once and blasted the place for a second.

This could be a whole new thread!

Culprit 5:18 AM - 26 December, 2018

you notice they removed the serato logos

Culprit 5:19 AM - 26 December, 2018

or was that a custom skin on those twelves?

Mr. Goodkat 10:31 PM - 26 December, 2018

inmusic is 90%-99% garbage.

Bondage 8:20 AM - 6 January, 2019

Anybody know this? There is a new Twelve?

dj.rane.com

dj_soo 8:44 AM - 6 January, 2019

yea, they updated it - this is the 2nd run.

Bondage 10:45 AM - 6 January, 2019

Mmmm hot !! You think they did something else also?

Bondage 11:02 AM - 6 January, 2019

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yea, they updated it - this is the 2nd run.

And some updates on the 72????

dj_soo 12:19 PM - 6 January, 2019

Just via firmware as far as I know.

The new features are great, but 2.1 is pretty buggy

Bondage 6:47 PM - 10 January, 2019

I use MBP 2017 quad core and I am long time Serato user (meaning i know i need to off wifi, closing programs, bla bla bla)

When I play with my 72 and Twelve and i DO long mixes then when i pitch bend with the platter the beat jump with one bar. It happens allot and more in 2.1 then before. Anybody got same issue?

Bondage 1:46 PM - 11 January, 2019

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I use MBP 2017 quad core and I am long time Serato user (meaning i know i need to off wifi, closing programs, bla bla bla)

When I play with my 72 and Twelve and i DO long mixes then when i pitch bend with the platter the beat jump with one bar. It happens allot and more in 2.1 then before. Anybody got same issue?

PROBLEM SOLVED !! (BLUE TOOTH WAS NOT OFF)

Joshua Carl 10:11 PM - 11 January, 2019

Thats crazy tho.
In this day and age, you should be able to keep Bluetooth/WiFi on

Esp, if your iPad is connected via Bluetooth
You kind of need it (serato app/lemur/touchOsc)

Djkom 9:02 AM - 15 January, 2019

www.facebook.com

A guy inside that post, has put a video showing the new adapter ! I hope Rane will sell them separately, it's so handy even for V7/NS7/SC5000M !

Bondage 11:39 AM - 15 January, 2019

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www.facebook.com

A guy inside that post, has put a video showing the new adapter ! I hope Rane will sell them separately, it's so handy even for V7/NS7/SC5000M !

WOW that would be so nice !! I hope we can buy this very fast !!

GusGomez 1:23 PM - 15 January, 2019

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www.facebook.com

A guy inside that post, has put a video showing the new adapter ! I hope Rane will sell them separately, it's so handy even for V7/NS7/SC5000M !

WOW that would be so nice !! I hope we can buy this very fast !!

12Inch Skinz sells those adaptors i have em.

Djkom 1:42 PM - 15 January, 2019

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www.facebook.com

A guy inside that post, has put a video showing the new adapter ! I hope Rane will sell them separately, it's so handy even for V7/NS7/SC5000M !

WOW that would be so nice !! I hope we can buy this very fast !!

12Inch Skinz sells those adaptors i have em.

The one with the push button to quickly attach and release the vinyl to the spindle ??? I can't see it in 12inchskinz store.

Bondage 8:30 AM - 6 February, 2019

Anyone can check the "ducker" effect in 2.1
-> It not work with me.

I use rane 72 and MBP 2017

05spoof 9:24 PM - 10 February, 2019

Can the feel still be adjusted with the new adapter?

monchi 5:11 AM - 15 July, 2019

Do the Rane 12s still have the latency issue? Has sticker locker now been implemented?

Thanks

monchi 12:18 PM - 17 July, 2019

Anyone? Thanks

DJ$erpico 1:37 PM - 17 July, 2019

No issue with mines
2019 models

monchi 1:53 AM - 18 July, 2019

^^^^ Thanks. So you can actually manipulate real vinyl and scratch on Rane 12 with no latency? Qbert didn’t really like them cause of that. Thanks again

Bondage 7:15 AM - 18 July, 2019

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Do the Rane 12s still have the latency issue? Has sticker locker now been implemented?

Thanks

I still have the issue yess. Only 2.0.5 works good. (MBP 2017 QUAD).

DJ$erpico 7:17 AM - 18 July, 2019

I still have the issue yess. Only 2.0.5 works good. (MBP 2017 QUAD).

Which issues and with wich twelve version please ?
2019 ???

Thanks

Bondage 7:52 AM - 18 July, 2019

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I still have the issue yess. Only 2.0.5 works good. (MBP 2017 QUAD).

Which issues and with wich twelve version please ?
2019 ???

Thanks

I not have 2019 model. Problem : Watch www.youtube.com

same like that video -> the sound 'jumps/skips' while pitch bending.

Bondage 7:53 AM - 18 July, 2019

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I still have the issue yess. Only 2.0.5 works good. (MBP 2017 QUAD).

Which issues and with wich twelve version please ?
2019 ???

Thanks

I not have 2019 model. Problem : Watch www.youtube.com

same like that video -> the sound 'jumps/skips' while pitch bending.

BUT IT WORKS IN SERATO 2.0.5 PERFECT. So it's not about if its an 2019 model or not. It's a Serato problem.

DJ$erpico 8:20 AM - 18 July, 2019

You’re right

Serato problem for sure as it works on a previous version

Will be fixed by serato soon I hope

I’m busy and never mixed out of home a this day so just played with them quickly in my music room
I use to touch the platter to slowdown or speed up a track but never it never happened to me for the moment...

Moreover my flightcase (odyssey) with both twelves + my new (and very light) numark scratch is still really heavy so I still mix with a DDJ SR2 at partys...

A mix of a DDJ and twelves will be a perfection for me, with 10’’ turning platters
(No I don’t consider the NS7 cause too small platters)

And I like the simplicity of the pioneer In fact...

Just add effect lever like the S9 and you got a monster for mobile DJ that you can put in a strong bag and finally forget wood & metallic flightcases :s

DJ’s that like black music and owns vinyls needs the sensation of a platter that moves
Better feeling

And when you mix more electro music you can use the cue/play button

That’s the way I like to mix...

paul Washington 8:26 PM - 24 August, 2019

I was wondering can the rane 12 be use with a numark x5 mixer and a SL3 box ?

dj_soo 10:22 PM - 24 August, 2019

Yea - you just need to plug the twelve into your laptop via usb. It controls serato in internal mode.

paul Washington 10:28 PM - 24 August, 2019

yes I did that but I have no sound ,only sound I have is in my headphones

dj_soo 10:47 PM - 24 August, 2019

Is your deck set to internal mode?

paul Washington 2:22 PM - 25 August, 2019

yes I out it in internal ,I really think it's my input jacks coming out of my Serato box I have no where to put them they are not connected to anything ?

paul Washington 2:25 PM - 25 August, 2019

let me make sure i understand you correctly ,I put the software in int mode it was on rel I changed it .

paul Washington 2:26 PM - 25 August, 2019

yes I put it in int mode

The Return of Dj Sparky 6:47 AM - 27 August, 2019

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yes I out it in internal ,I really think it's my input jacks coming out of my Serato box I have no where to put them they are not connected to anything ?

Lol

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