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Rane Twelve!!!!

lvmez 4:15 PM - 11 August, 2017
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I hope it has the Rane quality build.
eugguy 4:48 PM - 11 August, 2017
ho lee fuk. can't wait to hear more about this.
DJ Matty Stiles 4:49 PM - 11 August, 2017
What the hell is that? Can't be a turntable, theres no tonearm!
Gio Alex 4:52 PM - 11 August, 2017
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What the hell is that? Can't be a turntable, theres no tonearm!


12" Numark (Rane) V7
aj5000 4:53 PM - 11 August, 2017
Pictures are being taken down as we speak on social media every where haha somebody spilled the beans a week early
Gio Alex 4:56 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Pictures are being taken down as we speak on social media every where haha somebody spilled the beans a week early


I don't see what the big deal is... we all knew about it anyway since the birds were singing.
deezlee 5:14 PM - 11 August, 2017
That looks like it would suck for playing records on.
Gio Alex 5:22 PM - 11 August, 2017
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That looks like it would suck for playing records on.


lol
AKIEM 5:22 PM - 11 August, 2017
But it is what people been asking for... for a decade.
Gio Alex 5:27 PM - 11 August, 2017
To me, the V7 made perfect sense because it was smaller and convenient to carry for mobile purposes unlike a pair of turntables. Now we have something just as big, and potentially just as heavy as turntables, but you can't use it for anything else other than serato. Am I the only one seeing this as backwards?
DJ BroMoney 5:40 PM - 11 August, 2017
Very shocked that this looks the way it does. I can see people loving this for instant double life but I was expecting a screen, a pitch reset button, mechanical pitch slider?. The price needs to be very attractive for this. I can see this being a better alternative to Technics for strictly DVS due to the removal of Wow/flutter, needles, CV wear, jumping needles. Will be interesting to see if its truly that much better.

Used pair of Technics can be found in NYC in good condition for $250....
Djkom 5:54 PM - 11 August, 2017
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To me, the V7 made perfect sense because it was smaller and convenient to carry for mobile purposes unlike a pair of turntables. Now we have something just as big, and potentially just as heavy as turntables, but you can't use it for anything else other than serato. Am I the only one seeing this as backwards?



1000 % agree !!!!
Will08272 6:26 PM - 11 August, 2017
Looking and giving more thought, there are some cool things to be done with the unit. With the deck select, looks like instant doubles will be a thing of the past. Hopefully Serato allows for controlling of two decks simultaneously like one can do with the Pioneer SX controllers. The touch strip for seeking and no more drifting. Starting to give it's self more points.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:27 PM - 11 August, 2017
10 years late. I want to drop needles on a Rane platter.
Gio Alex 6:39 PM - 11 August, 2017
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10 years late. I want to drop needles on a Rane platter.


That's basically what I'm saying. Especially when other companies did this 8 years ago already.
AKIEM 6:53 PM - 11 August, 2017
Maybe they make a real deck later.

If the one turntable technique work flow is right, this is exactly what I asked for.

It does mention connecting direct to the computer for some thing.
AKIEM 6:54 PM - 11 August, 2017
Someone throw a tone arm mod on it
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:54 PM - 11 August, 2017
plus the V7 was discounted almost immediately to half it's price and it still didn't last long in the marketplace.

These will have to be priced low enough to sell which doesn't really fit into the premium Rane brand pricing structure.

If they had released a real turntable, say a rebadged VL12 with Rane logo on it, they could have added $200-300 to the price just for the name alone even if it only had the same features as every other deck.
AKIEM 6:57 PM - 11 August, 2017
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If they had released a real turntable, say a rebadged VL12 with Rane logo on it, they could have added $200-300 to the price just for the name alone even if it only had the same features as every other deck.


That would have made us mad tho.

lol
the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:01 PM - 11 August, 2017
I'll stick with the RP-8000's..... nice try RANE 🤦‍♂️
Gio Alex 7:03 PM - 11 August, 2017
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That would have made us mad tho.

lol


LMAO maybe.... haha

but this is worse. big ass 12" (pause) deck that only works with serato. If ima lug this to a mobile gig I might as well lug my techs.
Will08272 7:07 PM - 11 August, 2017
Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.
Gio Alex 7:14 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.


You might be right, but Rane 68 (when it came out) was a hard sell, and it wasn't the hard plastic buttons. At the time it was hard to justify shelling out damn near 3 grand for a mixer as an individual.

But then again, we've become accustomed to shelling out 1600+ for a single Pio CDJ so who knows. You're right.
Rebelguy 7:20 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.


How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.
Gio Alex 7:26 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.


How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.


Have you ever lifted a xdj? that thing is light as hell. PLUS, you can practically drop a thumb drive in it along with a mixer and jam. No need for a computer other than the initial setup or music downloads.

This thing, is the size of a regular turntable and all it can do is work with serato. Two different worlds.
Will08272 7:26 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Being that this is essentially a fancier direct connect midi controller, if anyone else made it, anything over the 299-349 range and it would be DOA, but because it has a Rane Logo and is being showing in tandem with a fancy new mixer and a first for the company, there is room for some upsell.


How is this any worse than Pioneer's XDJ-1000MK2? That's basically a midi controller with an Audio player built-in and those sell for $1100 all day.


Not worse in any way, the discussion lays more in for who the product is being aimed at which could safely be said is the turntable crowd. As many are making the argument already, DVS already works great and a pair of always reliable Techs can be had for near or slightly over 250, so the burden is on Rane to sell people on the product.

As far the XDJ's as you stated For CDJ users when the first iteration of that product was introduced slapping a 7 inch touch screen and removing the CD player were arguments to buy it. Plus the products have been selling at that price range from my limited knowledge in the DJ world.
Gio Alex 7:32 PM - 11 August, 2017
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Plus the products have been selling at that price range from my limited knowledge in the DJ world.


Yup they've always been selling at hefty prices, and like you mentioned - 7 inch touchscreen. And as I stated they do more than just midi. They're practically standalone music with a thumb drive.
AKIEM 7:43 PM - 11 August, 2017
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That would have made us mad tho.

lol


LMAO maybe.... haha

but this is worse. big ass 12" (pause) deck that only works with serato. If ima lug this to a mobile gig I might as well lug my techs.


Yeah - but they are in it for the long haul (hopefully). I would have purchased this before my Reloop 8000, but there are plenty others out there who will choose this over the Reloop if they are in the market. There are always new DJs coming on line, the tech needs to just keep moving forward.

lol @ pause
lvmez 7:59 PM - 11 August, 2017
HID mode coming soon on these.
Gio Alex 8:00 PM - 11 August, 2017
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lol @ pause


lmao
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:10 PM - 11 August, 2017
I play records.
Gio Alex 8:18 PM - 11 August, 2017
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I play records.
AKIEM 8:30 PM - 11 August, 2017
goldarn 10:35 PM - 11 August, 2017
The one thing a company can spend endless money on is getting the proper chassis and tone-arm configuration to get the proper internal acoustics, vibration dampening and response.

If you've ever tapped on the platter and heard it in the speakers, you know what I speak of. It's a tricky proposition and Rane USA never half-butted anything. This "12" eliminates all of that concern, its digital, not analog.
dj_spark 12:03 AM - 12 August, 2017
At last ! More than 10 years I was wishing for this...
No soundcard ? Hope this will keep the price low, I won't pay close to 1000$/£/€ for a midi remote.
DJ Dub Cowboy 12:34 AM - 12 August, 2017
missing loop encoder/controls, slip mode, master tempo, display.

these are pretty standard features at this point.
DJ GaFFle 12:56 AM - 12 August, 2017
Wow!
deejayfatcat 3:45 AM - 12 August, 2017
A modular approach to the controller with spinning platters. An idea that's long overdue.
boba 7:49 AM - 12 August, 2017
An approach that wouldn´t have been necessary if more companies wouldve added a motorized platter to their CDJ/XDJ/SC/Media Players etc.
boba 7:58 AM - 12 August, 2017
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At last ! More than 10 years I was wishing for this...
No soundcard ? Hope this will keep the price low, I won't pay close to 1000$/£/€ for a midi remote.


If this only has the features we all suspect and nothing major on top we might not see right now they shouldn´t be more than 500€ a piece.
Laz219 9:29 AM - 12 August, 2017
If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.
DJ Matty Stiles 12:30 PM - 12 August, 2017
sticking with my 1200's
deejayfatcat 1:49 PM - 12 August, 2017
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An approach that wouldn´t have been necessary if more companies wouldve added a motorized platter to their CDJ/XDJ/SC/Media Players etc.



I disagree. Say I wanted to use an analog rotary mixer(bozak, urei) with midi motorized decks and a dedicated effects and cue controller. No one is ever going to build that configuration in a controller. It allows the DJ to customize their rig and make it scaleable to the event they are playing.
kip 1:52 PM - 12 August, 2017
Should be cheaper than the cheapest super oem tt.
jeljms 2:42 PM - 12 August, 2017
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Should be cheaper than the cheapest super oem tt.


Hardly. If it's been engineered from the ground up then that us likely to be reflected in the price.

The things that will make or break this will be simplicity of use, build quality and latency. If it's got those three things right it could be a game changer.
kip 2:50 PM - 12 August, 2017
Why would I get this over Reloop 7/8000 if it's not cheaper?
jeljms 3:05 PM - 12 August, 2017
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Why would I get this over Reloop 7/8000 if it's not cheaper?


I'm not saying you should. But I very much doubt that it will be cheaper.
kip 3:19 PM - 12 August, 2017
Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?
deejayfatcat 3:52 PM - 12 August, 2017
The other big thing that hasn't really been mentioned is weight. If you are a one man show, carrying 12s plus the necessesary table to hold the weight is prohibitive. If these are weighted more like a mid level controller, i would be more inclined to bring them to any gig.
curt flirt 3:55 PM - 12 August, 2017
This is carbon copy of the technic cdj (SL Dz1200). They just modernize it, but the blue print is the same. It not going to sell unless the price is right. This is backward technology, very primitive. Let's watch the price...LOL
deezlee 4:51 PM - 12 August, 2017
Please world don't start referring to these as "turntables".
Now that controllerists and producers playing Ableton or whatever are now "djs" and someone playing real records has to be a "vinyl DJ" instead of just a DJ, please don't make us call our turntables "vinyl turntables" or some stupid shight.
HighTopFade 7:18 PM - 12 August, 2017
This is awesome. Saves me the trouble of getting my DZ1200s modded.
HighTopFade 7:22 PM - 12 August, 2017
D'oh! Wait a minute. USB only. I hope it works well with a USB hub. Not feeling the 72, sticking with the S9.
Mr. Goodkat 7:36 PM - 12 August, 2017
just fyi, rane is looking toward the future, not what 35 yr old+ djs care about.

weird thing about Gen X is we're the first generation to bitch and whine about everything not being specifically made for them all the F'ing time. Personally think baby boomer and gen x are far more entitled than any millennial ive ever met
goldarn 7:38 PM - 12 August, 2017
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If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.


This is where I am siting too.
Rebelguy 7:51 PM - 12 August, 2017
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This is carbon copy of the technic cdj (SL Dz1200). They just modernize it, but the blue print is the same. It not going to sell unless the price is right. This is backward technology, very primitive. Let's watch the price...LOL


How is the blueprint the same. The 12 doesn't play media. This is a controller plain and simple.

The SL-DZ1200 was Technics response to the Pioneer CDJ. Had it actually worked they probably could have dominated the market.
AKIEM 9:21 PM - 12 August, 2017
I think it's interesting that two main complaints about this turntable are that it doesnt play analog records and it's 12 inches not 5 inches or whatever. Can't do both.

There are plenty of record players on the market, from used and refurbeshed 1200s, all sorts of hanpin brands, couple others and new techs. Rane is smart to not take that on. And they could have sold some Rane branded hanpin easy.

Less single deck motorized on the market. But this is a "battle deck'. It's specifically designed to move all (if possible) turntablist, battle style, and people comfortable with that set up out of analog and to complete digital.

It's designed in 90 degree battle configuration. It has all the placements of everything physically a 1200 user is used to. Even the spindle, and the start•stop winds down. It's 12" because that's what everyone is used to. Who's going to battle on a smaller deck?

No other company has put anything like it on the market. And many DJ'S have been asking for a turntable like this for years and years.

It's also maybe the first deck. Maybe they make a vinyl record player. Maybe they make a 7 inch version. This is a perfect start (long as everything works well)

So far it is exactly what ive been asking for, exactly (from what I see) down to the screws on the top panel. As long as it intelligently handles multi decks, I'm sold. Cheers.

I hope its heavy too.
Mr. Goodkat 9:23 PM - 12 August, 2017
)stop makingso much sense akiem ; )
Mr. Goodkat 9:31 PM - 12 August, 2017
whats also cool is that you could use 1 tt and 1 rane 12 in a hybrid type setup.

same size and layout and you can play a record if you need. if the booth is too crowded or you are outside and its windy, etc you can instant double w the rane.

lotta possibilities
Gio Alex 9:45 PM - 12 August, 2017
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Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?


This is what I've been trying to say. It's not even more portable than a turntable.
dj_spark 10:07 PM - 12 August, 2017
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If they feel right, it'd be nice to have the true turntable feel without dust issues, record wear and stylus cost (The Shure whitelabels are nearly $170 for 2 in Aus)
If I could get something with the same feel and extra features with no running costs I probably would consider them. Especially they could be considerably lighter than turntables.

If the price is up around a true turntable though, I wouldn't even look at them.

This ^^^
That's why I left turntables a while back, I was upset by the mechanical side. Did some controllers and end up with a V7. I don't like CDJ even if it's now the leading industry technology.

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The things that will make or break this will be simplicity of use, build quality and latency. If it's got those three things right it could be a game changer.

Don't forget that sticker drift deamon !


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This is awesome. Saves me the trouble of getting my DZ1200s modded.

Got mine modded and it still can't compete with my V7...

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Rhetorically speaking...Why would anyone get this if it's not cheaper? What would be the attracting point? It's not small, can't play records...what else?


This is what I've been trying to say. It's not even more portable than a turntable.

It's a controler, a big remote for a software that mimic closely a turntable. This is what people want, acting like a turntable without caring for a turntable.
J.J. 10:34 PM - 12 August, 2017
I'm very frustrated with the design of the TWELVE. It is designed specifically for the 72 and it could have been so much better and sell a lot more. THE ONLY REASON DJS PUT TURNTABLES IN BATTLE MODE IS TO AVOID THE TONEARM AND NEEDLE. I want these things to sell but they are directly pointed at the turntablest. The reason you see them at all the shows is because they are very rare.

Negatives
• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch

Positives
• RANE built tough (I hope) Solid Steel Construction
• 12" Direct Drive Platter with Strobe Dots
• Power Down effect without turning it off and killing the signal
• Simple Layout (Opposite of what I just complained about)
• Optional Torque Settings
• Pitch Select Buttons with easy read out
• Same height and deep dimensions as the 72
• 4 Decks of control

The only thing that is left to be seen is the Sticker Drift and Latency. Can an old computer handle the 3600 Tics of Platter resolution in MIDI? Can Serato finally deliver a stable Serato DJ like Scratch Live? How much does it weigh so we can take it mobile? 4 Decks... does that mean a 4 channel 78 mixer is on its way?

Of course I'm buying 2 because I'm a wannabe turntablest and I'm getting the 72.
AKIEM 12:05 AM - 13 August, 2017
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• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch


Originally DJs used battle mode to avoid the tone arm, but it became a quite popular standard. I like that Rane recognized it as a standard, and built the deck to suit.

• I don't see the problem with a horizontal fader
• I don't see how these controls are out of reach. are mixer gains out of reach?
• you don't need pitch bend buttons when you have all the real tactile control of a 1200.
• pads would be redundant sitting next to a mixer with them. And take space.
• I like the chord position for easy hook up. Same as the mixer
• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.
• It might have track selection capability, again redundant
• start•stop is where it has always been. and space for divers
• it doesn't need instant doubles if it controls 4 decks
• it doesn't need a pop up light with no tonarm
• I agree with where was it ten years ago. The answer is all other companies failed, and Rane just became capable (suppose that's a good thing about InMusic)

It's probably the same Denon technology.
Robbie O 12:11 AM - 13 August, 2017
No Pitch bend is weird. Not a deal killer, but with this being digital, it seems weird to not have it.
AKIEM 12:44 AM - 13 August, 2017
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No Pitch bend is weird. Not a deal killer, but with this being digital, it seems weird to not have it.


The 'pitch bend' is touching the deck manually. Or the fader. It would be wierd to have pitch bend buttons on it.
Chino 12:49 AM - 13 August, 2017
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The only thing that is left to be seen is the Sticker Drift and Latency. Can an old computer handle the 3600 Tics of Platter resolution in MIDI? Can Serato finally deliver a stable Serato DJ like Scratch Live? How much does it weigh so we can take it mobile? 4 Decks... does that mean a 4 channel 78 mixer is on its way?

Of course I'm buying 2 because I'm a wannabe turntablest and I'm getting the 72.


+1 I've been waiting for something like this for a LOOOOOG time! I still have my 3900s & a Rane 62 but it's officially time for an upgrade!

I can definitely see a 'Rane 74'- a 4 channel mixer in the future too!
kip 2:53 AM - 13 August, 2017
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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
Rebelguy 3:40 AM - 13 August, 2017
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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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Then there would be a gap next to the mixer where the cables would be. No big deal.
Rebelguy 3:42 AM - 13 August, 2017
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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed



Problem solved.

www.cablestogo.com

www.sweetwater.com
DJ Showdown 6:08 AM - 13 August, 2017
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• I don't see why you can't turn them to standard mode if needed.

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Problem solved.

www.cablestogo.com

www.sweetwater.com


It's like Rane only cared about the battle style. I do want to use both styles though. Mixes in normal mode and turtablism in battle mode. I hope Rane thought about a solution for this.
AKIEM 6:45 AM - 13 August, 2017
I like how they only thought about battle style. too many other decks ignore battle style.

Again just turn it. Use some right angle plugs. If you cant stand thed inch gap, put the deck on the right and only use one. Or tape the gap with gaffers. Or get an aluminum sheet to cover it. Maybe Rane will offer a face plate that is an extra inch. Or get a mod done.

Or invent 180 style, the pitch fader is right in front, you dont even need to reach. If you got a gut, control it with your belly.
AKIEM 6:53 AM - 13 August, 2017
btw, I dont think the TWELVE requires a 72.
DJ Showdown 8:08 AM - 13 August, 2017
They might show only a unfinished product at the DJ Expo. All Rane has to do is add extra usb on the other side of this table. We will see....
DJ Showdown 8:10 AM - 13 August, 2017
btw, Denon did the same thing with their new turntable. And they changed the original design of it.
dj_spark 10:57 AM - 13 August, 2017
So Serato never wanted to do the midi wheel coding for the Denon DN3700/SC3900 but did for Numark V7 and now will do for the Rane Twelve.

But now, those 3 brands have the same owner !
The wheel of Karma...

(I was joking, I know it's all about big money)
kip 12:35 PM - 13 August, 2017
As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?
lvmez 12:49 PM - 13 August, 2017
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As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?


In this case it's about style design and space. It's meant to be paired with a battle mixer so hence the battle style.
DJ Showdown 12:52 PM - 13 August, 2017
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As mentioned above, what's the point of battle style when there's no tonearm?

Look at the left turntable. In battle style the distance between the faders and the platter is shorter than in standard style. That is because the pitch is between it. This will slow down some of the juggles.

Now if they only put the pitch on the left the problem would be solved.
kip 1:26 PM - 13 August, 2017
Normal layout with recessed power cord. Turn it if you need battle style. That would've been better imo.
DJ Showdown 2:31 PM - 13 August, 2017
Yes definitely better!
However a lot of props to Rane making this next level step.
AKIEM 3:05 PM - 13 August, 2017
It's not for playing vinyl, it's for battling. So it's in battle position. It's also made to be mixer depth, in disco position that adds two inches to the footprint.

And usb on the bottom so you have to lift it to connect? Really?

Pretty sure some people are just unhappy it's not another CDJ.
DJ Tecniq 4:02 PM - 13 August, 2017
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btw, I dont think the TWELVE requires a 72.
Correct says it will connect to the computer. But wouldn't that take up two USB ports unless they are linkable?
CMOS 4:29 PM - 13 August, 2017
Most midi controllers work fine through a hub as its just sending data.
kip 6:32 PM - 13 August, 2017
A 7" platter, paired with AKAI AMX and DJ player app. Woohoo...
jeljms 6:35 PM - 13 August, 2017
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I think it's interesting that two main complaints about this turntable are that it doesnt play analog records and it's 12 inches not 5 inches or whatever. Can't do both.

There are plenty of record players on the market, from used and refurbeshed 1200s, all sorts of hanpin brands, couple others and new techs. Rane is smart to not take that on. And they could have sold some Rane branded hanpin easy.

Less single deck motorized on the market. But this is a "battle deck'. It's specifically designed to move all (if possible) turntablist, battle style, and people comfortable with that set up out of analog and to complete digital.

It's designed in 90 degree battle configuration. It has all the placements of everything physically a 1200 user is used to. Even the spindle, and the start•stop winds down. It's 12" because that's what everyone is used to. Who's going to battle on a smaller deck?

No other company has put anything like it on the market. And many DJ'S have been asking for a turntable like this for years and years.

It's also maybe the first deck. Maybe they make a vinyl record player. Maybe they make a 7 inch version. This is a perfect start (long as everything works well)

So far it is exactly what ive been asking for, exactly (from what I see) down to the screws on the top panel. As long as it intelligently handles multi decks, I'm sold. Cheers.

I hope its heavy too.


Nailed it.
Will08272 6:36 PM - 13 August, 2017
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A 7" platter, paired with AKAI AMX and DJ player app. Woohoo...


What will be dope is if the 72 & 12 are class compliant which i hope they are given that the 57MKII and the MP2015 were i have a good feeling they will be as well, they would be able to be used with the DJPlayer app which would be dope. Might seem like overkill but the app is a very serious app.
deezlee 12:23 AM - 14 August, 2017
7" record player then please
AKIEM 3:18 AM - 14 August, 2017
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7" record player then please


Here you go. djworx.com
deezlee 3:35 AM - 14 August, 2017
uh huh i'll take 2
ekwipt 5:48 AM - 14 August, 2017
I think by having it in the battle mode it will work better with two decks in terms of mirroring each other.... but personally I'd prefer if it was built with the controls on the side, it makes more sense to me cause that's how I have my technics setup for techno.

Also not really sure why they branded them with Serato? Could they of been released with support for both Traktor and Serato off the bat?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:39 AM - 14 August, 2017
LMAO! This is sum BS.
AKIEM 6:39 AM - 14 August, 2017
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Also not really sure why they branded them with Serato? Could they of been released with support for both Traktor and Serato off the bat?


If the Serato branding sticks, my bet is they can plug directly into the laptop for direct control. That means they will work with any mixer, not just the 72.
deezlee 7:35 AM - 14 August, 2017
No write ups on djworx or djtechtools, any chance this is just a rumor?
Sallll 9:50 AM - 14 August, 2017
i still have a pair of stanton scs.1d motorized 10" controllers, they are fun to use and have lot more functionality than the rane twelve, but virtual dj and mixxx are the only two software packages that supports it out of the box. I think the price point is essential for the success of a product like this.
DJ Tecniq 10:24 AM - 14 August, 2017
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Not a rumor DJ flipside has posted he's already known about the Rane Twelve for awhile now. It is coming

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s3kn0tr0n1c 1:36 PM - 14 August, 2017
Minted.........hope this performs and feels like real wax.

Glad they stuck to battle style ...props.


Now all we need is a portable, battery powered 7" version with fader built in ;)
Rebelguy 1:38 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Now all we need is a portable, battery powered 7" version with fader built in ;)


Why?
s3kn0tr0n1c 1:43 PM - 14 August, 2017
to scratch outside on something better than a pt01
WarpNote 1:47 PM - 14 August, 2017
This product should be good for turntablists playing larger stages,
where there would be a band or dancers etc on stage.

No more needle jumps...

Also curious if someone would try a dicer mod on them ;-)
GusGomez 2:48 PM - 14 August, 2017
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This product should be good for turntablists playing larger stages,
where there would be a band or dancers etc on stage.

No more needle jumps...

Also curious if someone would try a dicer mod on them ;-)


At $799 that's a steep price
kvnkrz 3:17 PM - 14 August, 2017
Officially released.....

Rane I want to see them in action ASAP
DJ Irv 3:27 PM - 14 August, 2017
A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind. Rather have PLX-1000, RP-8000, SL1200, SC3900 over the Twelve any day.
Gio Alex 3:34 PM - 14 August, 2017
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A motorized midi controller for $800 that doesn't play media files, or real records? Rane lost it's mind. Rather have PLX-1000, RP-8000, SL1200, SC3900 over the Twelve any day.


I'm saying the same thing. They could've at least made the platter 10" and that way there would've been room to have an improved layout with better slider/button placement.

As one person mentioned (I forget who), the whole point of "battle style" was to avoid hitting the needlie/tonearm. Without a tonearm, why would they not better place some of the features on there. It's almost like they want people to consider it a turntable but it's not. They basically morphed a V7 and a 3700 or SC3900. The prob is at least a 3700/3900 is that it can play media/music without serato. Multifunction.

I'm not hating, I just feel like if you're gonna be late about dropping something that's already been made the least you can do is bring more to the table. I dunno.
Logisticalstyles 3:35 PM - 14 August, 2017
I think they should have aimed this at mobile DJs and club jocks. I don't have any desire to see these used in a DJ battle. At least not in the DMC. These might work in a RedBull 3style competition but not the DMC.
lvmez 3:36 PM - 14 August, 2017
dj_spark 3:52 PM - 14 August, 2017
At that price it can't even unlock Serato and it doesn't have a soundcard... #epicfail
Half the price for what it is : a remote with force feedback.
DJ Irv 4:31 PM - 14 August, 2017
This thing is going to be less successful than the SixtyOne.
Chino 5:14 PM - 14 August, 2017
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+1 I own a pair of 3900s. They definitely have WAY more functionality. I also use to own a pair of Numark CDXs. They were great players except for the faulty CD drives in them. Maybe inMusic Brand has finally perfected the technology with the TWELVE?

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I hope NOT!! If the 'TWELVE' is not successful then we may not ever see another motorized 12'' midi controller manufactured for SDJ ever again!!!

I give RANE PROPS for taking the risk to develop the TWELEVE!! It's a product MANY DJs (including myself) have been asking for and now it's finally here. My hope is that RANE did it right with engineering (build quality). Like others have also said… This product needs to be supported for the long haul.
AKIEM 5:36 PM - 14 August, 2017
Many DJs, many years.... waiting.....
HighTopFade 5:52 PM - 14 August, 2017
Rane and Serato's bold attempt to update DMC's battle standard. I hope they succeed. Pioneer seems to have Redbull locked in.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:34 PM - 14 August, 2017
10" with more functionality and I'd pre order now!
kip 6:35 PM - 14 August, 2017
7" standalone.
Gio Alex 6:39 PM - 14 August, 2017
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AKIEM 6:42 PM - 14 August, 2017
Maybe Denon drops a smaller plastic one.
Gio Alex 6:49 PM - 14 August, 2017
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LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.
Will08272 6:54 PM - 14 August, 2017
I wonder if pioneer will be showing off whatever Mr Switch is talking about in this post.

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AKIEM 6:55 PM - 14 August, 2017
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LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.


That's not a shot. Denon is InMusic too. My bet is the Twelve has a 'Denon motor' (off the shelf or designed by Denon however they do it)

Denon already works in that form factor, smaller, plastic, disco config - so if this works maybe Denon drops one too.
dj_spark 7:03 PM - 14 August, 2017
#fingercrossed for these little cousins from Numark and Denon...
Gio Alex 7:03 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Is this a joke or RL? Only think I noticed is two TTs with no needles. maybe they're making twelve deck too.
Gio Alex 7:04 PM - 14 August, 2017
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LOL Why you throwing shots at Denon? They brought you the CDJ with Hard drive and spinning platter way back in the day. Be nice.


That's not a shot. Denon is InMusic too. My bet is the Twelve has a 'Denon motor' (off the shelf or designed by Denon however they do it)

Denon already works in that form factor, smaller, plastic, disco config - so if this works maybe Denon drops one too.


I have a feeling they're all gonna do it. Is Numark InMusic too?
AKIEM 7:07 PM - 14 August, 2017
Maybe decent motor price dropped due to all the new turntables.
Will08272 7:10 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Is this a joke or RL? Only think I noticed is two TTs with no needles. maybe they're making twelve deck too.


No idea, there hasn't been a peep in anywhere i could find, and not even a fake image to allude to something, what i hypothesized was a CDJ with a spinning platter, being that Mr Switch was the person Denon got to show off the SC3900.
No Handle 9:51 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Yes! Been envisioning something exactly like this for a while. A standalone, portable high-res motorized controller exclusively for DVS.

Does anybody know the weight? A big share of a regular turntable's weight comes from its vibration dampening / acoustics, and this controller won't need it. I hope it's heavy enough to be sturdy but significantly more lightweight than a traditional turntable.

This unit won't be for everybody but it has so many benefits for road-warrior DJs like me... more portable, no need to keep buying needles or CV, no tracking or vibration issues, no more sourcing vintage Technics parts when things fail. There are almost no clubs left in the US that have turntables onsite so DVS DJs like me have to bring their own. This will make that a lot easier.

Of course I'd prefer a lower selling price but Rane's brand is based on quality and professional kit. I'd rather have a pricey rock-solid controller than a plastic NI-style controller that will be outmoded / upgraded in sixth months.

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I'm very frustrated with the design of the TWELVE. It is designed specifically for the 72 and it could have been so much better and sell a lot more. THE ONLY REASON DJS PUT TURNTABLES IN BATTLE MODE IS TO AVOID THE TONEARM AND NEEDLE. I want these things to sell but they are directly pointed at the turntablest. The reason you see them at all the shows is because they are very rare.

Negatives
• Horizontal Slider
• Slider out of reach
• No Pitch Bend buttons
• No 8 Multi-Funtion Serato Pads like the S5000
• The Electric Cord and USB are not recessed
• You can only use these in battle mode
• No track selection or load
• No Start/Stop on the left hand side
• No Instant Double button
• No pop-up LED
• Where was this 10 years ago. Now most new DJs use a CDJ with SYNC and cannot scratch.


Four of your negative points are about the orientation. Just turn that bitch sideways!
Dj Rehab 9:59 PM - 14 August, 2017
Every single on of you asking for a smaller size platter and cues on the 12................It's meant to be a direct replacement for a 1200. The mixer has the cues on it and track selection. This is exactly what I and most turntablists are looking for. It's not made with pitch bend buttons- that's what the pitch slider is for. Replicate the BATTLE setup...................this is not for controller only DJs. You don't get it because you're not a battle dj. You can jump back and forth from turntables to this without re-learning a thing.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 10:04 PM - 14 August, 2017
Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com

Think about the Akai AFX (or even a CDJ in HID mode) - you plug it in and it "links" to the Serato DJ "Features". Once you piug in the AFX it controls - cue points, filters, serato flip and a lot more.

Think about how we use a non serato mixer with MixEmergency - you midi map functions like a crossfader and up faders.

Is this thing somehow "AUTO Midi mapped" for platter control so you can use it with ANY mixer and a Serato DJ compatible SL Box?

Think about the 4 deck control & Instant doubles - opens up some new posibilites.
No Handle 10:08 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com


Yes, this is essential info. If it's Rane 72 exclusive, I'm out. I have an AMX and 62 so hoping this will work across both.
Michael R 10:14 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Something to think about AND NEEDS CONFIRMATION - if this is a Serato Accessory - shouldn't it be able to plug into ANY Serato DJ setup and work just like many of the items on this page: serato.com

The Rane Twelve will work with any mixer or interface box that Serato DJ supports :)

It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.

I hope that helps :)
Gio Alex 11:12 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Power cord placement and usb port become an issue with this.
Gio Alex 11:20 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Not yet.

But then at the bottom of each product page reads "All information subject to change without notice. v1." So who knows what kind of tweaks might happen between now and Q4 release.
Michael R 11:25 PM - 14 August, 2017
Regarding the weight, we have units here (which are pre-production units) and they feel the same/slightly lighter than a Technics 1200. As these are early units this may change :)
Michael R 11:26 PM - 14 August, 2017
My very un-scientific analysis was done by picking up a Twelve then a 1200 :P
No Handle 11:33 PM - 14 August, 2017
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Slightly lighter, damn.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 11:35 PM - 14 August, 2017
Thanks Michael for the clarifications

This is clearing up a lot of the WHY doubters

Like others have said - guys have waited over a DECADE for something like this

I sometimes Dj on a riverboat - sometimes for a Fraternaty and when they Step - my needle bounces like a ping pong ball

One more questions- how is the vinyl/platter - How does it actually work - time code - laser OR what

Color vinyl available?
SUBSTANCE 11:41 PM - 14 August, 2017
The 3 things I wanted to know were: feel, price, weight.
We have one of those answers with the official price being released.

Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

I like it. It could be the highly sought after jog wheel that feels like a real record. I hope so.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:25 AM - 15 August, 2017
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THIS! lmao.
AKIEM 12:40 AM - 15 August, 2017
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THIS! lmao.


Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:09 AM - 15 August, 2017
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THIS! lmao.


Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?


It took Johnny 7 or 10 years to actually buy and start using Serato. It takes a minute to grasp the concept of all this new digital wizardry.

Maybe by 2025 - he may actually want flashy light hot cue buttons and push button FX filters that flange and phase WITHOUT using two pieces of control vinyl...

Give him time to grasp the concept - lol
Michael R 1:11 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)
Michael R 1:13 AM - 15 August, 2017
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One more questions- how is the vinyl/platter - How does it actually work - time code - laser OR what

It works the same as the NS7/II/III - it sends MIDI - and feels the same. It's just like vinyl!
djcrap 1:13 AM - 15 August, 2017
How is the sticker drift response?
AKIEM 1:16 AM - 15 August, 2017
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It works the same as the NS7/II/III - it sends MIDI - and feels the same. It's just like vinyl!


How does it switch between decks, push button, then what?
AKIEM 1:18 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.
Michael R 1:22 AM - 15 August, 2017
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It should be the same as the NS7 range - have you used these before? They still get wow like a turntable does (as they have a motor), but as they are MIDI there is no sticker drift like you get with vinyl.

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Again, same as the NS7 range - the previous deck goes into "Internal Mode" and the Twelve starts instantly controlling the newly selected deck :)
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:39 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Again, same as the NS7 range - the previous deck goes into "Internal Mode" and the Twelve starts instantly controlling the newly selected deck :)


Ok - I guess Instant doubles work the same as any Serato device if you are using just one of the units - instant QUADRUPLES with the 4 decks - lol

One more dumb question...

If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:51 AM - 15 August, 2017
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THIS! lmao.


Will you still be spinning in say 2025, or retired?


Probably spinning....why?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:52 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:53 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.
Michael R 1:55 AM - 15 August, 2017
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If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)

The Twelve has a touch strip which works in two ways:

In touch strip mode, you can skip through the track using your finger on the strip (like dropping the needle).

In cue point mode, touching the strip in certain points will trigger a cue point. There are light indents on the strip which indicate which area jumps to which cue point.
Michael R 1:55 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:59 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.


It's OK - I'm used to Johnny - we go waaaayyyyy back like Serato 1.7.2 or the version HE first used Scratchlive 2.4 when he finally bought Serato - lol

: )
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:03 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Just one more? I doubt it....lmao.

Behave like adults PLEASE.


It's OK - I'm used to Johnny - we go waaaayyyyy back like Serato 1.7.2 or the version HE first used Scratchlive 2.4 when he finally bought Serato - lol

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Actually, Scratchlive 1.9.1/2 FTW running on Windows XP.

Works like a CHAMP.
AKIEM 2:22 AM - 15 August, 2017
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If I am on my 1200, I can pick the needle up and jump to certain points in the song (ABS or REL). I know you can set cues and the cue buttons or point click on the Mac in the waveforms but I ASSUME or HOPE that the touch strip allows you to needle drop touch jump to various parts of the song without leaving the turntable.

How does that work?? (Especially since it goes INT on deck switch)

The Twelve has a touch strip which works in two ways:

In touch strip mode, you can skip through the track using your finger on the strip (like dropping the needle).

In cue point mode, touching the strip in certain points will trigger a cue point. There are light indents on the strip which indicate which area jumps to which cue point.


Is there led indicators telling you which way to move the pitch fader to lock it when you switch decks?
Michael R 2:24 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Yes :)
AKIEM 2:25 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....


I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.
Chino 2:57 AM - 15 August, 2017
The Rane TWELVE is advertised as having a 'motorized platter'. Is it a DIRECT DRIVE motorized platter similar to a Technics 1200? Or is it a belt driven platter?
AKIEM 2:58 AM - 15 August, 2017
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No way it's belt drive.
Chino 3:07 AM - 15 August, 2017
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No way it's belt drive.


I'm asking because I wouldn't put it past inMusic Brand to pull some shadyness with regards to the motor.
dj_soo 4:04 AM - 15 August, 2017
They are marketing this to tablists and battle djs. They wouldnt out a belt drive on in and charge $800 ea.
dj_soo 4:08 AM - 15 August, 2017
The twelve and 72 setup is literally everything I've wanted in setup for almost 10 years.

The S9 came close to being the mixer I wanted, but some mind bogglingly stupid design decisions nixed that.

I've switched to denon 3900s and keep my techs at home now and while it's great, there are issues and things that could be done better.

If this doesn't have some kind of catestrophic problem and the build is up to par, I can't see not upgrading to at least the 72. Would probably prefer a 10" version of the deck myself just for portability.
HighTopFade 4:32 AM - 15 August, 2017
Any idea on release date?
Michael R 4:42 AM - 15 August, 2017
Not yet sorry!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:45 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....


I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.


My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....
DJ C-BEATZ 5:10 AM - 15 August, 2017
I guess the 72 only works with serato dj. I currently own a 62 and the reason I would still hang on to it is that it works with scratch live. Serato dj isn't as stable as scratch live. The motor power down effect doesn't sound perfect (doesn't come with the usual drag effect) when using serato dj with turntables but sounds perfect on scratch live. Serato needs to address this to enable us move to the 72 which is serato dj based. Thanks
AKIEM 5:11 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....


I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.


My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....


I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns. I won't call it a record player tho.

wheels of steel
deezlee 5:30 AM - 15 August, 2017
Naw not wheels of steel.
So now "I'll bring the turntables" requires a follow up question?
Eff that.

Cool Johnny is back just in time to argue this w Akeem nice timing, thanks!
AKIEM 6:02 AM - 15 August, 2017
I will bring the TWELVES!
DJ Unique 6:13 AM - 15 August, 2017
Meh...
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Great deck. Great mixer too btw. One thing I find odd is how the Twelve was designed to be plug and play with the Seventy-Two but both have pads for cues. Seems to me there should be two versions of the Twelve. One without cue pads for use with the Seventy-Two and one with cue pads to use with any mixer that doesn't have cue pads - like a slim, battle mixer with just basic features.


....but, since it's MIDI, I'm sure the pads can be reassigned on the mixer. Can they be reassigned on the Twelve? That would be awesome.
SUBSTANCE 11:35 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Isn't this a software setting? you can change it to suit how you like the start up and brake.
DJ Tecniq 11:58 AM - 15 August, 2017
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Isn't this a software setting? you can change it to suit how you like the start up and brake.
Maybe he's using pitch n time cause it does sound like crap for turntablists tricks. Cause I can do all those tricks on SDJ w/PNT off
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....


I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.


My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....


I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns.


smh.
DJ C-BEATZ 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017
Thanks @ DJ Tecniq. i guess my PNT was permanently on. i will disable as soon as i get back to my decks. Gracias!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:01 PM - 15 August, 2017
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I'll be here all week...
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:43 PM - 15 August, 2017
I swear there is no way to make folks happy.
AKIEM 1:46 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Surprised that it weighs as much as an SL1200. Thought it would be noticeably lighter.
Was hoping they could shed some weight while maintaining the feel. (Tech12's are 11kg each)

Even though it's not a turntable, it still shares a lot of turntable components (motor etc), plus Rane gear is built SOLID :)


I disagree, its a turntable, just not a record player.


Again, this is some BOLE SHEIT...

But alas, everything is trying to EMULATE a turntable.....but can't play a record....


I think I brought a crate out four or five times in the last decade, same exact set ready too. Same one from when I switch over to Serato.

I play vinyl at home, that's it.


My point is the record and record player have been around for 140 years, since say 1877.

And through it all, no matter how new fangled and glitzy, or technically savvy the Record Player was or got, the one common denominator that never really changed over time that was needed was The record and some type of tonearm apparatus.

Call it a controller, but DEFINITELY not a Turntable....


I'm a keep calling it Turntable because it's a table that turns.


smh.


lol - they should had called it an Armtable - lol
AKIEM 1:46 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Gio Alex 2:39 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Maybe if they released the right product at the right time people would shut up. But they're just focusing on sales, which is understandable, it's a business after all.

The prob with technology though, is all my rane mixers still work, my techs that are damn near 20 years old still work, and SL3s. So it's gonna be hard to persuade me to buy anything new if it's not doing anything better than what I already have.

Something more like a V7 would've made sense. But to drop a 12" motorized midi controller the size and weight of a 1200 and can only function with serato damn near 10 years late makes no size. Should've just made a midi hybrid turntable. At least it could be used as something else if serato disappears. Currently my techs serve 2 purposes.
Logisticalstyles 3:08 PM - 15 August, 2017
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This thing is going to be less successful than the SixtyOne.


My thoughts exactly. In about two years these will be in the Legacy section of Rane's website right next to the 61 and the 68.

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It won't work though. You know Christie from DMC USA has to carry the mixers that are used for DMC regionals with her when she travels. I can't imagine her being too thrilled at the thought of having to transport two additional pieces of gear that are almost the same weight as a 1200. Also the DMC currently doesn't allow you to use dicers or any other MIDI devices, why should they change now? Lastly, if this were to somehow become the DMC standard set up I think they would loose interest from competitors. As a battle DJ I would not want to compete on a set up that I don't have at home to practice on.

They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.
Logisticalstyles 3:11 PM - 15 August, 2017
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The Rane Twelve will work with any mixer or interface box that Serato DJ supports :)

It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.


So is that a Yes or a No for working with the AMX? The AMX is technically a controller but most people look at it and think Mixer.
Gio Alex 3:17 PM - 15 August, 2017
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They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.


Bing!

Only thing I disagree with is the mobile part because it weighs as much as tech 1200s. So what's the point?
AKIEM 3:18 PM - 15 August, 2017
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It currently won't work with controllers with non-motorised platters.


So is that a Yes or a No for working with the AMX? The AMX is technically a controller but most people look at it and think Mixer.


Could be that none motorised platers set the system to 'static mode' blocking anything motorized. The AMX probably doesn't do that. My guess it works.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:25 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Maybe if they released the right product at the right time people would shut up. But they're just focusing on sales, which is understandable, it's a business after all.

The prob with technology though, is all my rane mixers still work, my techs that are damn near 20 years old still work, and SL3s. So it's gonna be hard to persuade me to buy anything new if it's not doing anything better than what I already have.

Something more like a V7 would've made sense. But to drop a 12" motorized midi controller the size and weight of a 1200 and can only function with serato damn near 10 years late makes no size. Should've just made a midi hybrid turntable. At least it could be used as something else if serato disappears. Currently my techs serve 2 purposes.


Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it.
Gio Alex 5:31 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it


That's cool and all, but what is it improving on exactly? Like, are the improvements better than what it is short of nailing? Even if it's a battle controller what is it exactly doing that a pair of reloop 8000s or techs with dicers or whatever is already out there not doing? I know I'm not talking crazy here.

Even if it nailed everything down, now you have the prob with the price. It costs more than decks that already exist and do more. And I guess the rebutal for that is "rane build quality". I swear I'm not hating. Shit just doesn't make any sense.
Gio Alex 5:34 PM - 15 August, 2017
To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:36 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Clearly states it's a battle controller? Are you a battle DJ? If not then this might not be for you. I know there was atleast one battle DJ on this thread that seemed to like it


That's cool and all, but what is it improving on exactly? Like, are the improvements better than what it is short of nailing? Even if it's a battle controller what is it exactly doing that a pair of reloop 8000s or techs with dicers or whatever is already out there not doing? I know I'm not talking crazy here.

Even if it nailed everything down, now you have the prob with the price. It costs more than decks that already exist and do more. And I guess the rebutal for that is "rane build quality". I swear I'm not hating. Shit just doesn't make any sense.


No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.
Rebelguy 5:41 PM - 15 August, 2017
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To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.


Simple solution...don't buy one and let the people that want to enjoy their new gear.

More complex solution...spend a couple years doing market research with some of the top DJs in the world and then get a job at InMusic in the product development department and design a new product from scratch, bring it to market and watch a bunch of guys on an Internet forum complain about a product they never intended to buy anyway.
Gio Alex 5:44 PM - 15 August, 2017
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No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.


I hear you on that, I do. But I'm not the only one asking all those questions and raising concerns. If people gotta find a use for a product (that already kinda exists) and it's not already standing on its own to begin with then that kinda seems a bit shaky to me, I dunno. I guess we shall see. I just seems like a 3-4 year late move for me though.

What I will say though, is if this gets Pio to make motorized platters for "CDJs" and I'll start saying that at venues then I'll be happy cuz there's nothing I hate more than spinning hip hop on lifeless cdjs/xdjs. I've never been able to get over the non-motorized platters. Turntable feel is so much better. Less having to start at a screen.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 5:48 PM - 15 August, 2017
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No tone arm and yes Rane quality. I'm not getting it either way. I would think to atleast let it drop and let real world use tell it's worth.


I hear you on that, I do. But I'm not the only one asking all those questions and raising concerns. If people gotta find a use for a product (that already kinda exists) and it's not already standing on its own to begin with then that kinda seems a bit shaky to me, I dunno. I guess we shall see. I just seems like a 3-4 year late move for me though.

What I will say though, is if this gets Pio to make motorized platters for "CDJs" and I'll start saying that at venues then I'll be happy cuz there's nothing I hate more than spinning hip hop on lifeless cdjs/xdjs. I've never been able to get over the non-motorized platters. Turntable feel is so much better. Less having to start at a screen.


Thus the reason I have never played on a controller or CDJs. Just not the same for me. I did want to get the Denon3900's but chose to stay with 1200's. CDJ's with a moving platter would make a killing.
Gio Alex 5:54 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Thus the reason I have never played on a controller or CDJs. Just not the same for me. I did want to get the Denon3900's but chose to stay with 1200's. CDJ's with a moving platter would make a killing.


Same here. I agree. Although I did admire the V7/3700/3900 due to the portability.

I just wish Rane came up with this 4 years ago, so by now we would've already been on an improved V2/V3 perhaps. Rather than end of 2017 having something as big/heavy as a turntable. Definitely not geared at mobile use based on that I think.
dj_soo 6:05 PM - 15 August, 2017
As someone of does a decent amount of touring and festival work who still uses turntables, these would be oerfect. The amount of venues I've been in with problematic techs or setups where the stage isn't isolated properly and there are something like 20 dual 18s pumping out bass vibrating the shit out of the booth, something like these are what I've been looking for for years.

That said, as someone who also does a lot of mobile gigs, I would not use these over a more convenient controller or even my smaller 3900s
skinnyguy 6:09 PM - 15 August, 2017
I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points. I think there will be too many accidental moments with that. Could've just put the cue points separately where the dicer would've gone.
Chino 6:29 PM - 15 August, 2017
There is a good chance that RANE (inMusic Brand) already has plans to produce a 'mobile friendly' (9" or 10'') version. I would imagine it depends on how well the TWELVE sells.

It makes perfect business sense. Go after the top tier battle DJ market with 2 top tier products (mixer & decks). Similar to inMusic Brand's business plan for Denon DJ. Denon DJ has unleashed a direct assault on Pioneer DJ with the Denon sc5000 Prime series.
Gio Alex 6:30 PM - 15 August, 2017
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There is a good chance that RANE (inMusic Brand) already has plans to produce a 'mobile friendly' (9" or 10'') version. I would imagine it depends on how well the TWELVE sells.

It makes perfect business sense. Go after the top tier battle DJ market with 2 top tier products (mixer & decks). Similar to inMusic Brand's business plan for Denon DJ. Denon DJ has unleashed a direct assault on Pioneer DJ with the Denon sc5000 Prime series.


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djcrap 7:12 PM - 15 August, 2017
Am getting the twelves!
Mr. Goodkat 7:16 PM - 15 August, 2017
if you wanna use tts, use them.

why even bother with this.

the future is clearly NOT turntables, so they are trying to come at a new product that isnt going to be perfect for everyone.

its the same thing as the xdj with no cd player, since the future is clearly not cds.

future isnt even really flash drives and cdjs or xdjs. the physical media paradigm is just dying.
DJ Tecniq 7:23 PM - 15 August, 2017
The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.
kip 7:33 PM - 15 August, 2017
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$800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

It's almost double the AT1240.
DJ Tecniq 7:43 PM - 15 August, 2017
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It's almost double the AT1240.
I meant known brand name t-tables like Reloop, Pioneer, Denon etc. I'm sure the Audio Technica is solid but prob not for mobile use.
kip 7:53 PM - 15 August, 2017
AT1240 is the same super oem tt as those you mention, coming from Hanpin, except the Denon which is Yahorng (another oem). The motor used in the Twelve is most probably already used in the above mentioned tts, that's if we hope for the best. It's the only motor that comes close to the feel of Technics 1200mk2-6. So somebody better explain the price difference when there's no tonearm and no isolation required for regular tt.
Gio Alex 7:58 PM - 15 August, 2017
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I've never paid more than 450 for one technics 1200 MK2/M3D, so even with that argument that's a pair of "brand name t-tables" for the price of one twelve... but I digress, we'll see how things go with the twelves.
Chino 8:13 PM - 15 August, 2017
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So somebody better explain the price difference when there's no tonearm and no isolation required for regular tt.


The price difference reflects inMusic Brand's version of a 'luxury tax' similar to Apple's pricing. It is also inMusic Brand's way of recouping R&D.

InMusic Brand also needs to make some of the $$$ back from buying out the original RANE company.
Chino 8:23 PM - 15 August, 2017
The RANE 72 & TWELVE are under glass at the DJ Expo??!!! That ruins my plans of actually trying them out on Thursday!! Very disappointing!!
Mr. Goodkat 9:22 PM - 15 August, 2017
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I meant known brand name t-tables like Reloop, Pioneer, Denon etc. I'm sure the Audio Technica is solid but prob not for mobile use.


I've never paid more than 450 for one technics 1200 MK2/M3D, so even with that argument that's a pair of "brand name t-tables" for the price of one twelve... but I digress, we'll see how things go with the twelves.


thats used. if you wanted a new one in 2017 it would be more.

clearly msrp is gonna be less than 799. so if its 699-649$, its right in line with most new tts.

also, if you play out more than 3x a week, after about 5 years on real tts, you are gonna spend at least 300$ on styli and CV.
Djkom 9:27 PM - 15 August, 2017
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The RANE 72 & TWELVE are under glass at the DJ Expo??!!! That ruins my plans of actually trying them out on Thursday!! Very disappointing!!


The moment when you realize marketing/communication is a REALLY key.

I now understand Pioneer focusing on dedicated communication outside expos/shows only when the product is finnished and there are promo vids !!!

The crowd feelings about these Rane 12 and 72 are so mixed that finally it's a bad thing for Rane...
Mr. Goodkat 9:31 PM - 15 August, 2017
more djs/ppl talking about rane than they have since the late 00s, this is definitely a good thing for rane
Gio Alex 9:40 PM - 15 August, 2017
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That never bothered me because after damn near 15 years those tables are still solid. During all the back and forth between what the hottest new "game changer" is they still serve a purpose. Name an average controller's life span. It definitely does not have the same longevity because it's only reliant on whatever software that's current. In fact we're talking 40+ years since the 1200 MK1 and they still serve a purpose. Flexibility.

If you think about it, if TTs were so dead then why the hell did pioneer make one, denon, and stanton do a MK2 of theirs? Not to mention countless others. And this is after the whole controller market reigning.
DJ Irv 10:03 PM - 15 August, 2017
Everybody is trying to imitate a turntable, that alone should let you know why turntables are still very relevant. The Rane Twelve at 800msrp and 600$ street = fail. It's the new SixtyOne.
Michael R 10:21 PM - 15 August, 2017
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There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.
AKIEM 10:30 PM - 15 August, 2017
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Everybody is trying to imitate a turntable, that alone should let you know why turntables are still very relevant. The Rane Twelve at 800msrp and 600$ street = fail. It's the new SixtyOne.


It's because they were built so well, we became comfortable with the format and standard. There is nothing magical about the format, it's basic. Everyone may have been trying to emulate them, but this is the first time it was done close enough to have the same feel (if they do). And if they do, then they will succeed bassed on the number DJ who have been ready to leave analog behind but keep what they are acostum to.

A digital 1200 is exactly what's been asked for, that's exactly what this is +

Closest Hanpin is a Reloop8000 $700. If you don't need analog, save $100. + it does more and probably built better.
Djkom 10:32 PM - 15 August, 2017
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There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.


Hope the different modes are clearly visible because for sure mistakes gonna happen MANY times.
By default cue mode should always be acyivated and Needle drop should only be activated by holding the button and touching the bar...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:03 PM - 15 August, 2017
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They should have marketed this towards mobile DJs. battle DJs are not going to run out and replace their turntables with this controller.


Personally, I think the hype over a 12" motorized platter is over. This is definitely something that should have been marketed to mobile DJ's, but mobile DJ's barely want to carry a thumbdrive these days (think music in the cloud), much less something bigger than a CDJ.

This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

Boo.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:10 PM - 15 August, 2017
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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.


Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?
AKIEM 11:12 PM - 15 August, 2017
Eh, it's marketed to battle DJS to sell to everyone...
Gio Alex 11:18 PM - 15 August, 2017
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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.


Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?


Johnny doing an impression of Johnny LOL
Gio Alex 3:01 AM - 16 August, 2017
At least you can use one deck as 2 or 4, is that correct? Kind of like how a V7 could be 2 decks in 1/
Gio Alex 3:04 AM - 16 August, 2017
And at a closer look they look pretty well built. Still not for me, but I knocking it less now. Still think it made more sense years ago, but maybe Rane has a better angle now. Maybe they have the opportunity to for motorized decks for pioneer since that's all you see in venues now. xdjs/cdjs.
Gio Alex 3:05 AM - 16 August, 2017
dj_soo 3:29 AM - 16 August, 2017
I think this is exactly the right time imo.

when spinning platter CDJs came out, it was too early as most people were still using vinyl. When the V7 came out, controllers were still new and CDJs were just taking over so it also never took off.

We've had several years of the static platter paradigm and many people are wanting something different. I've seen more kids interested in turntables - not necessarily for vinyl, but just for scratching and feel - and these are the ones raised on cdjs and controllers and never went through the vinyl days.

A lot of the turntable only holdouts that focus on DVS are getting sick of the constant maintenance costs, the poor shape of many turntables that are in venues, and the performance problems associated with things like feedback and vibrations on stage and in the booth.

From a mobile perspective, yea, I can't see myself going back to a pair of units that are the same size and weight of my techs, but from a performance perspective, I've already moved onto SC3900s and these will likely feel even better.
Niro 6:32 AM - 16 August, 2017
I am honestly shocked at all of the negativity of a product a lot of turntable DJ's have been asking for, for years. Now that technology and a company decides to make it...etc.

It doesn't have a tonearm, because it's not suppose too. It's purpose is to replicate all of the positives of a turntable without the negatives. There are plenty of new turntables on the market and all still have the same issues while playing in unfavorable conditions. It will also be lighter, so carrying a pair will be much more convenient.

The guys complaining about this either have not played regularly in clubs, festivals, crappy stages....etc. this allows the DJ to almost perform exactly as he practiced is routine at home and perform it in any condition. The turntable is as advanced as it's going to get. There's not much more can do to it to make it better, unless you're going to degrade how you use it, outing it on tennis balls, suspended plateform, liquid tonearm dampener....etc.

Most 2 channels mixers are labeled a battle mixer, just like most people wear sneakers to chill in...etc. The point of replicating a turntable is so you can go from one without it feeling too different.
Djkom 8:47 AM - 16 August, 2017
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There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.


Hope the different modes are clearly visible because for sure mistakes gonna happen MANY times.
By default cue mode should always be acyivated and Needle drop should only be activated by holding the button and touching the bar...


Just realized How to delete cue points with this configuration 🤔...

More generally I think Rane doesn't design their product with a real ergonomic aproach!
So many annoying aspects are still present:
->Rane 12
- Needle drop vs Cue mode distinction
- Deck selection (1×4 row) that doesn't reflect the deck view (2×2 grid) and are in the same area as the needle drop bar
- Why 3 different big buttons for the pitch ranges when only one can be actived at a time ??
-> Rane 72
- Browse knobs dangerously closed to the fx knob!
- Same big ass knobs in the front panel (fader curves, mic volume, etc) that could be bended or accidentally turned during the mix
- Where are the lovely cursors herited from the ttm 57 ??? At least just one above the shift button to make instant doubles or custom action would have been very cool !!!
Chino 12:58 PM - 16 August, 2017
I've had some very negative experiences with previous inMusic Brand products! That being said, I'm still willing to try out these new Rane Twelves & a Rane 72 mixer.

Worse case scenario… I can always return them within 30days if they don't meet my expectations OR if it's past the 30 day return policy then I can always sell them.

I said this before & I will say it again… I've been waiting for a LOOOOONG time for products like these so I'm willing to give it a chance!!

SHOUT OUT to RANE for taking the risk to try to give many of us DJs what we have been asking for!!
GusGomez 1:01 PM - 16 August, 2017
To be honest I like the TWELVES I haven't played a vinyl record in years so my sole purpose for turntables is the feel and DVS...with that said I go back again to what I said earlier I just purchased a pair of VL12's mostly because of the look and the weight they're much lighter than the Stanton's STR150's and I hplay at a club every week where I bring my turntables because I don't like playing on CDJ's so what would about the TWELVE's would make me get rid of turntables and switch? It's not lighter it takes more usb ports if I don't have the 72 (which I won't because I have the S9) so my question again is who is this aimed at?
DJ Tecniq 1:13 PM - 16 August, 2017
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The reasons why I think the Rane Twelve will sell...

1. No more buying needles/skipping
2. Replacing RCA's
3. No tonearm issues
4. No vibration or feedback issues (we all saw the Redbull sets lol)
5. Improved sound quality (debatable)
6. Strip search and hot cues for Relative mode
7. No pitch fluctuations like most Turntables
8. Less wow & flutter or none at all
9. Convenience of setting up faster
10. $800 a deck which is no more than turntables that are currently out now

#1 Con - Doesn't play real vinyl

Other than that I see this being really huge esp for battle DJ's.


Sounds like a CDJ to me....lol.

Wait, it doesn't play CD's either, right?
Very much different than a CDJ. The feel is a real vinyl feel. Scratching on cdj's is not the same I'm just not a fan. If it's not motorized it doesn't replace a t-table at all. Just my opinion
DJ Tecniq 1:20 PM - 16 August, 2017
I will admit seeing it up close is much more appealing I don't knock it at all I think it's really dope to not have to deal with the issues that come with real t-tables. I love my Tech's but the pitch fluctuations with them & SDJ are killing me. Which brings me to my next question would anti-drift even benefit the Rane Twelve or not?
Chino 1:25 PM - 16 August, 2017
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The Rane 72 mixer is aimed at people who still have a Rane 62/57mkII but want larger pads & more functionality in a mixer. IMHO, the Rane 72 may finally be the mixer that gets me to move(from SSL) completely over to SDJ.

The Rane Twelve is aimed at touring battle DJs would need the vinyl feel without the issues associated with tone arms, needles, dust, vibration issues, etc.

There are also MANY mobile DJs that want/need the vinyl feel but dont want to deal with the issues of needles breaking, skipping records etc.

Personally, I don't mind the size/weight of the Rane Twelve at all & I'm primarily a mobile DJ.
Gio Alex 1:35 PM - 16 August, 2017
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You know this for sure?
Gio Alex 1:39 PM - 16 August, 2017
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I'll give you that, but most stages, venues and festivals use cdjs, and as much as I hate them they've helped in windy outdoor situations. The negativity comes from the timing, pricing, and sizing.

But I get it more now who it's targeted at. I just wish it were a hybrid, or maybe smaller or had a better layout. But it is what it is. I don't have to buy it. If they were at a venue I would gladly use them over a pair of static cdj platters.
John Calipari 2:31 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Agreed, although the challenge is that no matter how good the Rane TWELVES's are or aren't, the "We" will formulate a list of criticisms/shortcomings longer than their arm.

InMusic took a calculated risk but will still likely lose their Ass on these.
Rebelguy 2:36 PM - 16 August, 2017
The saddest part of this whole thing is that most of the time the "we" never has the intention to purchase a product. They just want to bitch and try to armchair quarterback all of a companies decisions.
Will08272 2:50 PM - 16 August, 2017
I saw a lot of fancy business people looking at the Twelve yesterday at the expo, just off the attention they were getting and the crowd throughout the day at the Rane Booth, i expect there to be a version of this product from other Companies in the coming months/year.

Seeing them in person and the idea of them had me convinced for sure, i would only want to wait for a MK2 due to the lack of library control, that for me would be the only limiting factor. Also being that I primarily use DVS, can't really ask for much more, the pro's definitely out way the cons for me.
goldarn 3:47 PM - 16 August, 2017
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To me it seems like something that was being worked on for a long time, and just dropped as a hands on deck dice roll move to compete with other brands, but a move made like 3-4 years late.


Simple solution...don't buy one and let the people that want to enjoy their new gear.

More complex solution...spend a couple years doing market research with some of the top DJs in the world and then get a job at InMusic in the product development department and design a new product from scratch, bring it to market and watch a bunch of guys on an Internet forum complain about a product they never intended to buy anyway.


Good response there guy. #whatadick
Gio Alex 4:04 PM - 16 August, 2017
Right, because it's not like it's a business or anything. Ya'll act like people are working for free here. Part of the business is taking criticism and listening to requests. They're in the business of sales, people are getting paid. By the way, I own a bunch of Rane products. Mixers and Serato boxers so my criticism comes from a customer/consumer perspective. Not some random person punching keys.
Gio Alex 4:06 PM - 16 August, 2017
Moving forward, in depth video of the functions:
Watchwww.youtube.com
Gio Alex 4:55 PM - 16 August, 2017
After viewing this more I'll be the first to admit they're making more and more sense to me. My thing about it being released sooner is more hoping that this would've been more of a standard in venues now rather than static dcj/xdj decks. I feel like pio has been holding it down heavy. Maybe venues that have techs that are always being repaired will embrace these? Shrugs. But then again, a lot of dance oriented DJs really love CDjs.
AKIEM 5:57 PM - 16 August, 2017
Heres my official criticism so far.

1. One button to cycle through the three speeds would have been better use of space. But maybe there's some tricks or something.

2. I understand the drop needle strip and wanting to replicate that since there is no tone arm. But I would have left that off. Instead maybe a rotary knob for that function.

That would let the 8 cue buttons be just buttons. And be more prominent which will be important as indicators of what track is loaded in the deck.

3. A Library rotary knob like Reloop8000s would have been good.

Actually a rotary with different functions would be good (not like the Reloops) Library / Needle Drop / Pitch. I think there should be an alternate rotary pitch control for switching between decks. The fader is good for tricks. Just don't think it's best for multiple decks.
dj_soo 6:05 PM - 16 August, 2017
placement of the cue/strip isn't ideal imo. Would be better at the bottom of the deck like the RP8000s.

That said, makes it pretty moot if you decide to go with the 72.
kip 6:09 PM - 16 August, 2017
Power cord is dangerously close to the pitch slider, especially if turned disco style.
Gio Alex 6:11 PM - 16 August, 2017
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placement of the cue/strip isn't ideal imo. Would be better at the bottom of the deck like the RP8000s.


I think the pitch slider would've been nice on the side. Like someone already said battle style as for a reason so it would've been nice if the pitch slider/fader could've been on the right hand side, non battle style.
AKIEM 6:16 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm sure they debated about battle style verse disco style quite I bit. I'm glad they went with battle style just as recognition.

The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....
dj_soo 6:16 PM - 16 August, 2017
would be nice if the power/USB side of the deck were recessed to allow for easier "house" style placement and included angled cables.

Also would be nice if they took a page out of the TTX and allowed the pitch to be moved between the tops and the sides.
Gio Alex 6:26 PM - 16 August, 2017
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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....


Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.
AKIEM 6:33 PM - 16 August, 2017
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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....


Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.


That would be like recesing everything on a V7 so you could turn it - not going to happen :P

(extended face plate)
Rebelguy 7:13 PM - 16 August, 2017
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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....


Not if the platter was a 10" ;)

I bet you the MK2 will allow you to roatate em around without the power cord being in the way.


Only if it's successful enough to warrant an MK2. Since everyone thinks it's DOA then it probably won't happen.
John Calipari 7:40 PM - 16 August, 2017
All of the Traktor users are up-in-arms, again, conniving on how to get this Rane set-up to work or preparing to beg Native to MIDI map it to Traktor Pro while some VDJ users are claiming (hoping) this will map right out of the box.

We Serato users are a spoiled bunch
eugguy 8:16 PM - 16 August, 2017
Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.
Gio Alex 8:21 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.


Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers are my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watchwww.youtube.com
Gio Alex 8:22 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.


Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers aren't my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watchwww.youtube.com


Meant aren't my thing.
dj_soo 8:37 PM - 16 August, 2017
Don't forget the Denon decks.

The problem with everything except the V7s is that they all still require timecode to run DVS which is a little less precise and can lead to things like sticker drift. The V7s are midi, but they have the serato sound card in the unit so you have to bypass your mixer functions which is a deal breaker for many.

The Twelve is essentially an HID controller with high resolution midi which basically gives all the immediate control and precician of a controller, but the feel of a turntable.

Personally, I'm excited, but my priority is still getting the 72 first as it's basically everything I want in a serato mixer and I can stop bringing my SP1 to gigs.
Gio Alex 8:39 PM - 16 August, 2017
I hear that. The 72 is intriguing. I wonder when they'll talk about the 74/
dj_soo 8:40 PM - 16 August, 2017
Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).
Gio Alex 8:47 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).


Ah ok, I didn't really look at it that way, but I see what you mean. I forget they're all in house. However the Denon X1800 doesn't have the midi buttons that a serato mixers is design for. Loop rool, cue points and all that. And I'm sure that denon mixer is midi mapable but not the same as having dedicated buttons. Denon X1800 is really designed to push Prime, regardless of serato dj support.
dj_soo 8:48 PM - 16 August, 2017
I guess the idea is that the sc5000 prime decks handle all the controls (which is supposed to get serato support as well).
eugguy 10:35 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Honestly wouldn't hold my breath - looks like rane would be their hip hop brand while Denon will be their club brand.

A 74 would be directly competing with their own denon x1800 mixer (which is supposed to be getting sdj support soon).


That is insightful there.
eugguy 10:36 PM - 16 August, 2017
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Once we see the "twelve" as well as the "72" in use, opinions might change. I was initially excited about the "twelve", now I'm about 50/50 after letting the thoughts settle into my head. It is assumed because it is Rane, quality is a given. This can be questioned somewhat after being taken over by Inmusic. The only real standout of the "twelve" to me is this fact. It will ("should" might be a better word) be a solid unit and stable piece of kit. Other than the CDX/HDX, SLDZ1200, and V7, there are no real solid options for non-traditional moving platter tables. At this point the people who want to use a turntable other than CDJs/controllers can go the "twelve" route or analog route. If the twelve is stable and performs as listed, I'm sure the twelve will sell well. I'm sure Rane, as well as other companies are listening to the feedback of the twelve and will continue to push the envelope in terms of what we all think would be the perfect midi-moving-platter turntable. The "twelve" was probably not meant to be completely revolutionary, but more or less meant to fill a gap left open for 10+ years.


Watch this vid. They say the quality is there. I was skeptical too (controllers are my thing) but the product is making more and more sense when fully explained. Watchwww.youtube.com


Thumbs up there!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...
Gio Alex 11:52 PM - 16 August, 2017
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I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...


Looks wise, yes.
kip 12:45 AM - 17 August, 2017
Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?
Michael R 1:09 AM - 17 August, 2017
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Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?

Yes it is. A detented slider means it "catches" slightly at the 0 (middle) position.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 1:12 AM - 17 August, 2017
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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....


O-o ???

OK - waiting on Johnny M to REALLY fuck with you on this one....

You do know the size, specs, and weight don't change by turning the table 90 degrees (ok power cord and Usb maybe)

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All of the Traktor users are up-in-arms, again, conniving on how to get this Rane set-up to work or preparing to beg Native to MIDI map it to Traktor Pro while some VDJ users are claiming (hoping) this will map right out of the box.

We Serato users are a spoiled bunch


Even though NI would love this IF somebody made this work with Traktor I think if Pioneer made it work with Rekordbox DVS - i think it would make a HUGE dent in the market share,

All the USB stick guys who loved vinyl and are on rekordbox with CDJs from Traktor AND Serato would love the feel of vinyl again - especially if their EDM library is already Reckordbox ready,

But on the other hand - I'm sure the laptops would be TOO HEAVY for them now....

It would be like carrying crates again - lol
DJ BroMoney 1:23 AM - 17 August, 2017
The biggest thing this thing is missing to me personally is a pitch reset switch like on my mk5s. Any chance we could midimap a feature like that? Something like "Shift on the 72 + one of the 33/45 RPM buttons"?
AKIEM 3:13 AM - 17 August, 2017
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The other thing, if it was disco style it would have to be wider, and bigger, and heavier....


O-o ???

OK - waiting on Johnny M to REALLY fuck with you on this one....

You do know the size, specs, and weight don't change by turning the table 90 degrees (ok power cord and Usb maybe)


I wouldnt put it past him ;-)

But we're talking about the build, not rotating it. If they built it with the pitch fader on the right it would be wider. Assuming they want mixer depth then it would be a biger footprint disco style. I guess it could shorter then a mixer, but that would be weak.
Taipanic 4:37 AM - 17 August, 2017
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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...


Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing
AKIEM 4:47 AM - 17 August, 2017
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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...


Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing


He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 6:01 AM - 17 August, 2017
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He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.


Ha!
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:46 AM - 17 August, 2017
As the decks have no screens

If one was using it with another mixer eg the S9 or 62, does on just use the decks buttons to assign it to a channel

The Pio CDJs (HID) have a deck 1 to 4 select in the menu

Why does it have the pitch range just under the fader?

I've got a ST150 and the pitch fader area is "clear"

Just thinking about bumping into +50 when quickly moving the pitch.

And why multiple buttons, same could have been done with one and some lights to show which value you are in

Same for the rpm button too.
WarpNote 7:38 AM - 17 August, 2017
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Tone play tricks?
DJ C-BEATZ 12:26 PM - 17 August, 2017
The TWELVE will be the way to go for me. I currently dj with a 62/techs. In addition to those, i also have a pioneer ddi-sz for convenience. IMHO, i would prefer the TWELVE to the the SZ for a second set due to its motorized platter and vinyl size for ease of scratch combo.
GusGomez 12:32 PM - 17 August, 2017
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The TWELVE will be the way to go for me. I currently dj with a 62/techs. In addition to those, i also have a pioneer ddi-sz for convenience. IMHO, i would prefer the TWELVE to the the SZ for a second set due to its motorized platter and vinyl size for ease of scratch combo.

are you keeping the 62 or making the move to the 72?
lvmez 12:38 PM - 17 August, 2017
I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?
GusGomez 12:41 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

Prob could but that's a large set up...but I think they said the 72 is only a 2 deck unit you can't have more than 2 decks.
DJ GaFFle 1:06 PM - 17 August, 2017
Has anyone taken note of this deck's dimensions? Will it fit directly into normal TT road cases or will new ones be required? I prefer to keep my TT setup in the cases.
lvmez 1:26 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?

Prob could but that's a large set up...but I think they said the 72 is only a 2 deck unit you can't have more than 2 decks.


It's for home use only. Would like to be able to use both turntables.
Logisticalstyles 1:32 PM - 17 August, 2017
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Is the pitch slider same length as 1200's? And what is "detented slider"?

Yes it is. A detented slider means it "catches" slightly at the 0 (middle) position.


Funny how a detented pitch slider is now considered a feature. The removal of the center click on the 1200s was an upgrade and is still a sought after modification.
Gio Alex 3:05 PM - 17 August, 2017
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Funny how a detented pitch slider is now considered a feature. The removal of the center click on the 1200s was an upgrade and is still a sought after modification.


haha word, right!?
DJ C-BEATZ 3:22 PM - 17 August, 2017
are you keeping the 62 or making the move to the 72?

I am selling off my 62 and DDJ SZ to enable me get the TWELVE/72
s3kn0tr0n1c 3:23 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I was thinking about getting the 72 with one Twelve. I was wondering if I could connect one Twelve via USB to 72 along with two 1200's and be able to switch between them.

Any thoughts?
Looks like you would be able to hook them up but for switching between them I can see how to on mixer.

Perhaps a setting in SDJ to toggle between TT and 12 would be an option.
 6 5:33 PM - 17 August, 2017
Liking both the Seventy-Two and Twelve without having tried them which would make me like them more or less. Using one Twelve to control up to 4 decks with my 64 means I wouldn't want to get the Seventy-Two just yet though the Seventy-Two does have some great stuff going for it.
skinnyguy 6:06 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.



I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.
AKIEM 6:13 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.



I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.


If the button could be set to momentary.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:32 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.



I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.


amateurs
kip 6:37 PM - 17 August, 2017
My guess is that when touchstrip is in needle drop mode it's not lit.
Djkom 8:00 PM - 17 August, 2017
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My guess is that when touchstrip is in needle drop mode it's not lit.


And when it's in cue mode with no hot cues set ??? How to delete hot cues ???

There's definitely something not clear with this touch strip...
dj_soo 10:32 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.



I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.


Controllers have worked the exact same way for years. If people fuck up, then they aren't practising enough.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:38 PM - 17 August, 2017
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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...


Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing


The asthetics of the DZ1200 were perfect. The innards and performance, a fail.

I'm saying a rotating platter model shouldn't be bigger than the DZ1200's, at most.

A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:39 PM - 17 August, 2017
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This is wrong product, wrong time, but glad to see them come out with SOMETHING, lol.

Part of the imagery of DJ's battling IS lifting the tonearm, now of course with DVS, and cuepoints, you don't HAVE to do it, but now you won't even have THAT....so you KNOW it's about pushing a button somewhere somehow....

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 16 August, 2017
I'm saying, the Technics SL-DZ1200 was a sezzy beast...


Make up your mind dude, for the most part they are both the same damn thing


He wants it to play CD... better yet a cassette tapes.


That cassette would probably store more info than that proprietary SD card they had...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:44 PM - 17 August, 2017
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I think they should NOT have combined the touch strip with cue points.

There are two different modes for the touch strip, so you can't trigger cues in touch mode only in cue mode.



I still think people will accidentally have them in one mode and forget which mode it is in and attempt to use the other mode.


If the button could be set to momentary.


So did InMusic offer you that position that Rane passed you up on?

Nows the time to strike!
Culprit 5:28 AM - 18 August, 2017
I'm buying 2 for sure. I'm happy with its current design. Keep my S9 and 2 of these.
Herzl 10:48 AM - 18 August, 2017
Anybody know the weight of the Twelve?
GusGomez 1:10 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I'm buying 2 for sure. I'm happy with its current design. Keep my S9 and 2 of these.

This is what I was thinking if I ever decide to get a pair but all those USB ports you have to use would be a pain for me since I'm planning to buy the new MacBook Pro in the coming months
DJ Tecniq 2:01 PM - 18 August, 2017
Dope decks but sticking with my Technics I use the S9 and an external so I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that. If I had the 72 I would for sure get these.
Gio Alex 2:04 PM - 18 August, 2017
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A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....


This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.
John Calipari 2:09 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that.


The USB connectivity is the one thing that would cause be pause also
John Calipari 2:42 PM - 18 August, 2017
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Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records..


Factoring is what their SL's alone cost, the price point of a theoretical High Quality Rane Built Hybrid Motorized Deck would have caused complaints that make the criticisms in this thread look like child's play.
Gio Alex 2:46 PM - 18 August, 2017
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Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records..


Factoring is what their SL's alone cost, the price point of a theoretical High Quality Rane Built Hybrid Motorized Deck would have caused complaints that make the criticisms in this thread look like child's play.


I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive. People are buying 2k-3k mixers these days like it's no big. But yeah, I hear ya.
John Calipari 4:19 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive


Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch
Chino 4:34 PM - 18 August, 2017
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This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.


Speaking personally, I'm definitely NOT pissed about anything that you have said. I like open, honest DJ product discussions whether or not other people share my views or not.

The Twelve fills a void in the way that I DJ and use these types of products. For years I have wanted a needle-less/tonearm-less 'turntable' (motorized 12'' midi controller). I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. The weight is a minimal concern for me considering that when I first started DJing, I carried around 8 crates of records to each gig.

The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!
John Calipari 5:18 PM - 18 August, 2017
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The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!


Nice, . . . . x 2 with a 72?
DJ BroMoney 5:22 PM - 18 August, 2017
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This is what I was thinking if I ever decide to get a pair but all those USB ports you have to use would be a pain for me since I'm planning to buy the new MacBook Pro in the coming months


Macbook pro has 4 USB C ports... If you don't plan on using a Portable HD you essentially have all 3 USBs directly plugged and one for power.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 5:51 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I'd have to plug these into a USB hub. Not comfortable with that. If I had the 72 I would for sure get these.


Which is basically a powered hub in itself so really no difference that I can see, unless I'm missing something here??
dj_soo 6:11 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive


Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch


2 cdj 2000nxs2s without a mixer cost more than a pair of twelves and the 72 together - and that's based on msrp.
John Calipari 6:21 PM - 18 August, 2017
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I hear ya, but dj gear in general is expensive


Performance Battle DJ's aren't nearly as used to spending CDJx2 type money as Clubs and Promoters. Battle DJ's are a frugal bunch


2 cdj 2000nxs2s without a mixer cost more than a pair of twelves and the 72 together - and that's based on msrp.


Yeah, that's my point, the Twelves are geared at Battle DJ's. Rane says that from the start of the trailer.
Mr. Goodkat 6:53 PM - 18 August, 2017
if you have a computer and are still using vinyl with it, isnt it just kinda to show you can?

at this point, why wouldn't you just record the record or get a digital verision?
lvmez 7:15 PM - 18 August, 2017
instagram.com

You can change vinyl On the Twelve.
lvmez 7:31 PM - 18 August, 2017
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:39 PM - 18 August, 2017
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A 12inch platter equals you carrying a regular turntable.

If you're carrying a "regular" turntable, it at a minimum should be able to play records....


This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.


Man, I don't pay these cars no mind...
Chino 7:46 PM - 18 August, 2017
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Nice, . . . . x 2 with a 72?


I'll probably start off with the Rane 72 with one Twelve. I need to see how comfortable I am switching decks with just one Twelve first. Eventually Ill purchase a second deck though.
slimmjimm 7:53 PM - 18 August, 2017
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You can change vinyl On the Twelve.


Either people are trolling, or there's a lot of stupid in those comments.
Djkom 10:27 PM - 18 August, 2017
Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs
djcrap 12:23 AM - 19 August, 2017
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This is basically what I've been trying to say, but everybody pissed I said. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Would've been nice to be a hybrid in case you wanted to play records, but the did what they did for a reason.


Speaking personally, I'm definitely NOT pissed about anything that you have said. I like open, honest DJ product discussions whether or not other people share my views or not.

The Twelve fills a void in the way that I DJ and use these types of products. For years I have wanted a needle-less/tonearm-less 'turntable' (motorized 12'' midi controller). I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. The weight is a minimal concern for me considering that when I first started DJing, I carried around 8 crates of records to each gig.

The Twelve is exactly what Ive been looking for!
AKIEM 1:07 AM - 19 August, 2017
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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs


We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)
J.J. 4:36 AM - 19 August, 2017
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We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

djworx.com
dj_spark 8:19 AM - 19 August, 2017
I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Basically, I only get to mix with my modded V7 out of my home, even if I would like to go out with the SLDZ if it has more torque, more controls. The CDX is too big, bulky.
In the end the V7 is more reliable than the SLDZ but the CDX can have a cd unit failure that I couldn't handle live...
Djkom 11:26 AM - 19 August, 2017
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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Basically, I only get to mix with my modded V7 out of my home, even if I would like to go out with the SLDZ if it has more torque, more controls. The CDX is too big, bulky.
In the end the V7 is more reliable than the SLDZ but the CDX can have a cd unit failure that I couldn't handle live...


This is it !!
AKIEM 3:50 PM - 19 August, 2017
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We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)

djworx.com


Yeah. That was a great mod. Doesnt mean a DJ record player that can't play 12"s makes any sense at all as a product.
kip 7:52 PM - 19 August, 2017
If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?
Will08272 7:57 PM - 19 August, 2017
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If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?


The Twelve is essentially a midi controller, so it wouldn't require the expansion.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 2:03 AM - 20 August, 2017
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If I get Akai AMX + Twelve, will I have to purchase the DVS expansion pack?


The Twelve is essentially a midi controller, so it wouldn't require the expansion.
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Hmmm. Wow that is a good question, I had to buy DVS expansion to use the AMX with my 1200s - since it is a Official Serato Accessory like the AFX - do you have to buy the DVS pack?
dj_soo 2:07 AM - 20 August, 2017
you don't have to buy the dvs expansion pack to use CDJ2000s in HID so I wouldn't expect this to need it either...

It's just midi signals while the DVS plugin is specifically for timecode.
Michael R 10:35 PM - 20 August, 2017
No, you don't need to buy the DVS expansion pack to use the Rane Twelve :)
Gio Alex 11:34 PM - 20 August, 2017
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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com


Boom! that's pretty dope!
Gio Alex 11:38 PM - 20 August, 2017
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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs


We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)


Lol

Admittedly it is a bit goofy since majority of vinyl singles are 12', BUT it's about portability I'm sure. Also, keep in mind, some cats only play 45s. So I can see that working for them since there aren't a ton of 10" records.

I would've gladly paid top money if the SL-700 went into production. Would love a pair of portable techs to play 45s.
AKIEM 11:58 PM - 20 August, 2017
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Even this kind of piece would have been more welcomed:

djworx.com

I've never seen such gap between what djs want and craft (portablists, modded stuff..etc) and what the industry offers....

We probably represent a very small niche market compared to cdj/controller djs and old style turntablists..in the other hand, I have the feel we're not that few djs


We want a 10" vinyl record player?
Not 12", and not 7", but 10"!

lol. ok. :-)


Lol

Admittedly it is a bit goofy since majority of vinyl singles are 12', BUT it's about portability I'm sure. Also, keep in mind, some cats only play 45s. So I can see that working for them since there aren't a ton of 10" records.

I would've gladly paid top money if the SL-700 went into production. Would love a pair of portable techs to play 45s.


How bout its mono, only plays at 78, a built in am radio, and weight one pound?
SUBSTANCE 4:40 AM - 22 August, 2017
a new DJ turntable in a do-not-touch case. how meta.
skinnyguy 7:58 PM - 22 August, 2017
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... I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. ...



you're still going to have to protect those vinyl discs from sunlight and heat at those outdoor events.
DJ Barticus 9:24 PM - 22 August, 2017
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... I will no longer have to buy needles and worry about hitting the tonearm, dust, vibrations or strong gusts of wind during outdoor events. ...



you're still going to have to protect those vinyl discs from sunlight and heat at those outdoor events.


couldn't you just attach any record if needed? how does it work
Niro 9:38 PM - 22 August, 2017
Yup, go to the thrift shop and buy a bunch of 25 cent records and play in the sun all you want.
AKIEM 10:09 PM - 22 August, 2017
Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P
Robbie O 10:46 PM - 22 August, 2017
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Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P


Probably similar to the ns7
d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net
AKIEM 1:01 AM - 23 August, 2017
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Hard to tell exactly how it locks to the record tho
(which it only track the plater :P


Probably similar to the ns7
d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net


I don't see any place to tighten it.
slimmjimm 1:39 AM - 23 August, 2017
Is anyone going to try and map these to SSL, kind of like the VCI-380?
Mr. Goodkat 2:21 AM - 23 August, 2017
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Is anyone going to try and map these to SSL, kind of like the VCI-380?


vci-380 had a official mapping from vestax if im not mistaken
Gio Alex 11:29 AM - 24 August, 2017
Well, apparently being selling for preorder. Est ship date Nov.

reverb.com
John Calipari 11:49 AM - 24 August, 2017
The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.
dj_soo 12:39 PM - 24 August, 2017
the 62 was more expensive when it dropped
John Calipari 1:31 PM - 24 August, 2017
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the 62 was more expensive when it dropped


True, but the 62 wasn't as intrinsically tied to companion hardware as the 72
Gio Alex 2:19 PM - 24 August, 2017
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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.


I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.
John Calipari 3:25 PM - 24 August, 2017
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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.


I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.


I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

In purchasing the 12/72 set-up, your pretty much committing to that Rane Ecosystem. Not a bad thing as it should work seamless, but should one ever decide to sell any of them, might as well sell all of them because it doesn't make sense to have one without the other.
The Return of Dj Sparky 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017
Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72
The Return of Dj Sparky 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017
Or am I missing something?
Gio Alex 3:31 PM - 24 August, 2017
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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.


I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.
Gio Alex 3:32 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72


That's what I'm saying. It's still a mixer for all sorts of uses.
CMOS 4:11 PM - 24 August, 2017
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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.


I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.


S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.

The Twelve is basically the same setup as you would do now with CDJs in HID, mixer to laptop, Twelves to a hub.
Gio Alex 4:24 PM - 24 August, 2017
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S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.


Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.
kvnkrz 4:31 PM - 24 August, 2017
Do you guys think the pitch will work like a digital controller?

And kudos for the 72. The fx swtiches can be turned 180 degrees.
The each side of the pads can be assigned to something not being stuck on the same mode on all 16 pads like the s9 ;)

list goes on and on..
kvnkrz 4:32 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Do you guys think the pitch will work like a digital controller?

And kudos for the 72. The fx swtiches can be turned 180 degrees.
The each side of the pads can be assigned to something not being stuck on the same mode on all 16 pads like the s9 ;)

list goes on and on..



Oh ya and transport controls!
AKIEM 4:48 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72


Well they look nice together.

I'm holding off on the 72 - maybe there will be a 57MK3!

Def getting a TWELVE
(not paying msrp pre order lol)
John Calipari 4:49 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72


What other 2-Channel Mixer has 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each respectively? I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.

Other than than, it could be used with anything.
AKIEM 4:58 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Other then the deck assigning to the channel the dj controls on switch overs I don't see what your on about that the 12 is just geared for the 72


What other 2-Channel Mixer has 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each respectively? I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.

Other than than, it could be used with anything.


Are they specialized tho?

I might be wrong but seems like direct usb would be the same (or better).
Chino 5:09 PM - 24 August, 2017
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I'd assume these are specialized reduced latency and the 72 will be able to translate the Twelve Midi Data directly instead of doing it round trip.


That makes perfect sense to me. Let's all hope that inMusic Brand has implemented low latency improvements.

The Twelves are MIDI controllers so low latency is extremely important in order for the 'turntable feel' to be spot on!!
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:40 PM - 24 August, 2017
From what I've read those USB ports are only hubs on the 72 and won't offer any lower latency then plugging them into the pc
John Calipari 5:59 PM - 24 August, 2017
If it can translate TWELVE's Performance MIDI data directly, it essentially has all the advantages of a All-In-One controller.

Otherwise, for a Mac anyways, even one of these would likely require a USB Hub which I avoid running MIDI gear through at all cost

But make no mistake, I like this system . . . . A LOT!
dj_soo 6:15 PM - 24 August, 2017
is it? it's a midi
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The price for the Twelve is about right, it's the Seventy TWO.. $1,900 for a 2-Channel Mixer is hard to stomach. And for the TWELVEs to really shine, they really need that Seventy Two mixer.


I would say the other way around. I'd rather pay 500-600 for a twelve (If I even wanted one), but 1899 for the 72 doesn't seem too bad. There's a display on it with tons of features.

The Pioneer S9 is 1699 with less features.


I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.

In purchasing the 12/72 set-up, your pretty much committing to that Rane Ecosystem. Not a bad thing as it should work seamless, but should one ever decide to sell any of them, might as well sell all of them because it doesn't make sense to have one without the other.


how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.
DJ Tecniq 6:27 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.
The Pioneer fx can be changed in the Pioneer utility there's actually a lot the mixer can do. And the echo hold is pretty dope for remixing/sampling.
John Calipari 6:32 PM - 24 August, 2017
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how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.


Not 100% dedicated but the 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each specifically" kinda implies that Rane made the 72 with the TWELVE in mind.

I'm genuinely curious. Why would Rane label those that way, and even label which side gets plugged into which USB-A Port?
Gio Alex 6:36 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Gotcha, but they're fixed though. I believe with the rane you can really get in there tweak them with the screen/display. Like the 909.
The Pioneer fx can be changed in the Pioneer utility there's actually a lot the mixer can do. And the echo hold is pretty dope for remixing/sampling.


Yeah but you need the computer first. I'm not shitting on it at all just to make it clear. I'm was pointing out the differences. Personally, if you're gonna sell a mixer for more than 1500 it should have an FX Loop (send return), Footswitch and so on. Like why not, I paying damn near 2k, throw the goods in there. lol
dj_soo 7:00 PM - 24 August, 2017
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how is it specialized to the Twelve? It's a serato mixer. You can use it with anything and get all the features.


Not 100% dedicated but the 2 USB-A Inputs labeled "TWELVE" above the 2 ports and "Deck 1" and "Deck 2" beside each specifically" kinda implies that Rane made the 72 with the TWELVE in mind.

I'm genuinely curious. Why would Rane label those that way, and even label which side gets plugged into which USB-A Port?


I believe it's just a hub with a bit of proprietary stuff specifically for the Twelve, but you can plug anything in those slots.
AKIEM 7:16 PM - 24 August, 2017
USB hubs get special names all the time...
CMOS 7:28 PM - 24 August, 2017
Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.


With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.
Gio Alex 7:29 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.


With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.


Smart!!!
Gio Alex 7:36 PM - 24 August, 2017
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Its a hub with the ports specifically linked to a channel on the mixer.

The only benefit i can see to using those over a normal usb hub is the DJ switchover as being they are linked to a channel, the incoming dj will get control of 1 of the twelves while the other guy is still mixing.


With another mixer you would lose both Twelves until you moved the hub to the new PC.


You basically broke it down perfectly.
AKIEM 7:48 PM - 24 August, 2017
I wonder what the added cost of a motorized fader would be?
ddjozone 12:47 AM - 25 August, 2017
Sooo VCI-380 and Rane 12? For those who have been hanging on to their vestax vci-380 to use as dvs... combined with the Rane 12... You're getting the bigger motorized platter without the DVS workaround.... So will this work?
dj_soo 2:42 AM - 25 August, 2017
My guess is no as it would probably require serato to make an update specifically for the vci-380 which is long discontinued.

I'm planning on getting a mixars primo anyway tho...
skinnyguy 7:46 AM - 25 August, 2017
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I agree, it's a gorgeous mixer, but somewhat specialized towards the TWELVEs. The S9 is much more open use.


I dunno about all that. It has built in FX, FX send/return, footswitch, and more. Things that the S9 does not have. In fact, this would make it more suitable for all sorts of use other than Serato DJ. The S9 is a mixer specifically made just for SDJ. At least with a 72 you can use the features/fx with vinyl with no computer attached.

I do agree that the 72 is meant to pair with the twelves but not necessarily limited to them.



if i'm not mistaken, the 72 has built in fx. sdj fx are pre-fader, 72 fx are post. didn't they mention that in the video?
S9 has onboard EFX. Dont think ive touched the serato efx once.

The Twelve is basically the same setup as you would do now with CDJs in HID, mixer to laptop, Twelves to a hub.
DJ Tecniq 11:27 AM - 25 August, 2017
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I'm planning on getting a mixars primo anyway tho...
If they ever release it. I have my mind on that deck too. A 2 ch controller w/DVS support finally...sign me up!
dj_soo 12:20 AM - 26 August, 2017
looks like october
05spoof 2:08 PM - 26 August, 2017
Used 1200's $300-500, RP-7K $400-500, ntx1000 for $399....just saying

I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.
Chino 2:45 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.


That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)
AKIEM 3:04 PM - 26 August, 2017
I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.
Chino 3:12 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.


LOL, yeah that is very true! Let's see how it goes with the release of these new RANE products.
AKIEM 3:33 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I have a feeling InMusic isn't a dj charity.


LOL, yeah that is very true! Let's see how it goes with the release of these new RANE products.


lol. I mean sure, it could be over priced and flop. I can't tell that till I try one out though. But if it's built right, that's a reasonable price to me. It's 'new technology' and should/looks like it's built more rugged than them other decks (dare I say even a used tech)

And under warrenty. So far Rane/InMusic service has done me excellent (suppose could be a trick to get me to buy new product)
Chino 3:43 PM - 26 August, 2017
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So far Rane/InMusic service has done me excellent (suppose could be a trick to get me to buy new product)


inMusic Brand knows that the pressure is on to deliver legacy RANE level build quality & customer service! I did like what I saw at the DJ Expo as far as the external build quality.

Now I'm waiting to see if the internal components are just as good & if inMusic Brand can deliver excellent customer service. We shall see...
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:55 PM - 26 August, 2017
I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.

But we shall see.

Holding out till mid or late 2018.

I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:56 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.

But we shall see.

Holding out till mid or late 2018.

I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.


Re - Rane 72
Chino 4:22 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I feel the screen could be the weak link. just a feeling.


STOP IT! DON'T JINX IT!! LOL….. Knock on wood & POSITIVE thoughts please!

I'm sooooo tired of latency caused by the screens in many inMusic Brand products so hopefully it's fixed this time around!

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I won't be wooed by "initial impressions" but stuff like firmware updates and mid/long term field reports.


Damn it! Now Im going to have to work harder to convince you this time around! ; ) LMAO
05spoof 4:43 PM - 26 August, 2017
At those prices...there has to be some endorsement deals.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:30 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.


That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)


I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.
AKIEM 6:29 PM - 26 August, 2017
Eh, probably a lot more expenses and cost that went into buying Rane and relaunching it that they can just pass savings like that. Market and profits - these companies try to sell product at the highest price the market will allow. If the specs are same or close, and the compatition is lite, why lower the price?
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:27 PM - 26 August, 2017
because it's ridiculous to pay almost $1000 to get into Serato with just an interface these days when there are so many other ways to get a DVS for much less than $500. It's a quality piece, no doubt (I use one all the time), but I doubt they will see much of an uptick in sales for tech that is almost 7 years old with no price drops.
djcrap 9:42 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I thought they brought the manufacturing too China to make their prices more competitive.


That's an EXCELLENT point! Many companies move their manufacturing facilities abroad to save on labor & manufacturing costs! Many countries abroad have much less stringent enviromental regulations too.

So is inMusic Brand trying to be slick??? They severance the majority of the legacy RANE staff & move manufacturing out of the U.S. inMusic Brand is saving $$$ but they do not pass on that cost savings to their customers?! Instead, inMusic Brand is attempting to capitalize on legacy RANES's brand all while paying overseas workers less & paying less for manufacturing?!

Hmmmm… This sounds like Apple's business model except inMusic Brand is no Apple!

(And btw, YES I know this is how business is conducted these days but that doesn't make it right. It all feels VERY SHADY to me!!!)

May be its the reasons n rane failed and was sold because they were losing money by manufacturing every thing in the usa.
AKIEM 9:52 PM - 26 August, 2017
Why didn't the POTUS save us?
WildcardX 11:47 PM - 26 August, 2017
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I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.


Might be too early to tell that as the new SL4 and the new MP2015 (as well as the Twelve and Seventy-Two) haven't hit the market yet. So there is still hope for that too happen as I myself are waiting on the people ditching the S9.
Chino 12:31 AM - 27 August, 2017
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Why didn't the POTUS save us?


He is currently too busy Tweeting & dealing with all the resignations!!
; )
DJ Dub Cowboy 1:43 AM - 27 August, 2017
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I was expecting the price of the SL4 to drop and hoping the price of the MP2015 would drop too. I am very disappointed that neither happened.


Might be too early to tell that as the new SL4 and the new MP2015 (as well as the Twelve and Seventy-Two) haven't hit the market yet. So there is still hope for that too happen as I myself are waiting on the people ditching the S9.


I believe the 'made in taiwan' SL4s and 2015s are shipping now. I anxiously await a comparison video....full guts and glory. I think die-hard Rane fans want to know about the quality of components and construction methods. Down to the welds and screws....
Mr. Goodkat 1:57 AM - 27 August, 2017
im not gonna lie, i like my 62, but i dont think the construction is all that great.

the eq pots feel wobbly, more than a pioneer or ni z2, some of the screws are oxidizing and rusting.

the buttons and knobs are pretty crappy too. I changed the knobs with the yellow 62 knobs but they are still very small and blue so almost invisible in a dark booth.

the efx are pretty garbage compared to the pioneer s9 or DJM 8-900

personally i've tried to sell the 62 but its hard to get less than 1k for it so im gonna hang on to it.

IMO the sound is the best thing about the mixer
DJ Dub Cowboy 2:21 AM - 27 August, 2017
I do agree and wholeheartedly welcome build quality improvements. I would gladly pay the same price for a product that is made better as long as it comes with the same or better support.
dj_soo 2:24 AM - 27 August, 2017
the 6x series was a major step down in build to older rane stuff imo.
Mr. Goodkat 3:17 AM - 27 August, 2017
there is some kinda magic in rane mixers though.

not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.
AKIEM 2:00 PM - 27 August, 2017
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not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.


...and we'll see if the magic is still there.
(Remember Vestax)
AKIEM 2:04 PM - 27 August, 2017
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Why didn't the POTUS save us?


He is currently too busy Tweeting & dealing with all the resignations!!
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Just hope he doesn't put a teriff on foreign dj equipments
Chino 6:36 PM - 27 August, 2017
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there is some kinda magic in rane mixers though.

not really a selling point to most, but id rather play on 2 techs and a rane than any other mixer - control surface combo in history.


I agree. I hope the 'new' RANE company is able to capture that same 'magic' with the 72 & Twelve.
05spoof 1:39 PM - 28 August, 2017
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Big fan of Rane's linear channel curves, eq's, and filters. Everything just sounds right and effortless during a mix. Crazy that I have to change workflow on a Pioneer because the sound is so different. It's like trying to paint a masterpiece with crayons.
your momma 8:16 PM - 28 August, 2017
i really want a set up with the 72 mixer and 2x 12 vinyl controllers.

then again i sort of want the denon vl12 turntables with a serato box.

but the 12 if it performs as good as it looks on youtube..........

im conflicted.

i guess we have to wait till they drop in stores to find out how good they is or is not.
k3cata 9:37 PM - 28 August, 2017
Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?
Michael R 9:41 PM - 28 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!
lvmez 9:56 PM - 28 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?



Lol, you guys ask ridiculous questions.
Will08272 10:19 PM - 28 August, 2017
Wasn't sure where to ask this as it sort of pertains to both the 12 & 72, i do have in mind the way the ports in the rear work as far as the channels go, does this mean there is something custom being done when two 12's are being used on a single machine. Also understand if it is a wait and see situation that can't be answered now.
Michael R 10:29 PM - 28 August, 2017
Sorry man, not sure I understand the question. What is it you're wanting to know? Happy to answer if I can :)
J.J. 11:05 PM - 28 August, 2017
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Wasn't sure where to ask this as it sort of pertains to both the 12 & 72, i do have in mind the way the ports in the rear work as far as the channels go, does this mean there is something custom being done when two 12's are being used on a single machine. Also understand if it is a wait and see situation that can't be answered now.

I'm not sure if I understand the question?

The Twelve has 4 buttons for Deck 1, 2, 3 & 4.

It does however matter what USB Deck 1/2 Hub port it's plugged into. If you switch Deck 1 USB A on the Seventy-Two mixer to USB B, the hub will now be sending MIDI to the second USB computer for DJ handoffs. It will NOT send MIDI in/out to both computers at the same time.
DJ Tecniq 2:42 AM - 29 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?
Every working DJ on the planet wishes that. Let's hope the Twelves w/SDJ will have less pitch fluctuation like Scratchlive did. I see a big difference in DVS as bpm is more stable in Scratchlive...rest it's soul🙏🏼
k3cata 5:13 AM - 29 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!

How exactly did my question bother you?
Michael R 5:15 AM - 29 August, 2017
It didn't, I'm always happy to answer any questions on the Twelve :)
k3cata 5:29 AM - 29 August, 2017
Not you Michael.... I appreciate your answer. I was referring to lvmez. I think questions regarding SSL are still legitimate, given that it still has quite a few users. Different topic as to why this is so, but either way....
k3cata 7:43 AM - 29 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?
Every working DJ on the planet wishes that. Let's hope the Twelves w/SDJ will have less pitch fluctuation like Scratchlive did. I see a big difference in DVS as bpm is more stable in Scratchlive...rest it's soul🙏🏼

It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....
lvmez 1:28 PM - 29 August, 2017
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Anybody knows if the Twelve will work with Scratch Live?

No it won't sorry!

How exactly did my question bother you?


It didn't bother me, just made me laugh. Scratchlive is old technology. Why would the Twelve support it when it's new technology?

I understand some of you guys don't want to spend a lot on new laptops but I think your in the wrong business. Unfortunately DJing in this era requires a top of the line laptop. It's a required tool. If your not making money to buy a newer laptop then thats a different topic.

I've always welcomed newer technology and I'm realistic that it's going to cost a few more dollars for it to work properly.
monchi 3:20 PM - 29 August, 2017
Ivmez please enlighten us how this is twelve is new technology?

Did Numark not do this back in 2004 or 2006 ?

Maybe Rane just improved on the old technology ?

Either way some will like them others will not.
Gio Alex 3:28 PM - 29 August, 2017
Well, it's all InMusic now so I'm sure they used the Numark V7/CDX, and Denon 3700-3900 technology to improve on it. That's my guessumption though.
Rebelguy 3:50 PM - 29 August, 2017
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It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....


These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.
Gio Alex 3:54 PM - 29 August, 2017
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These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.


All of this.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 5:23 PM - 29 August, 2017
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These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused
The Twelve works without the 72 but Rane/Serato says you need a newer Mac to handle latency if you are a scratcher. Newer computers suck with lack or ports - etc.....

Many DJs are still hanging on to Scratchlive for the Stability but the Twelve is a SERATO DJ accessory - basically NEEDS Serato DJ to "work".

That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 5:25 PM - 29 August, 2017
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lack OF ports
OOOps - lack OF Ports
lvmez 7:56 PM - 29 August, 2017
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It's not only that. I tried sdj several times and it is considerably less stable than ssl. That's why i am still a ssl user. And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....


These people can't afford a new computer but they can afford $3500 for a new Rane 72/12 setup? I'm confused.

Also, I use a 2012 MBP and have no problem running SDJ at events 2-3 times a week.


EXACTLY!!!!! I started video DJing since the 57 came out. I was up charging for that service. I understood that I needed a better laptop every few years to keep up with new software updates. I was making the money so it was no issue. If your stuck on scratchlive because you don't want to spend money on a new computer, your in the wrong business.
AKIEM 8:27 PM - 29 August, 2017
2012 MBP, still the best tho
DJ Tecniq 8:30 PM - 29 August, 2017
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And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....
Bruh you don't need a $2000/$3000 laptop to get good performance out of SDJ lol you do however need a computer with an i7 Processor for best performance and any pc or Mac will do. You can get an i7 pc for like less than $500 on Amazon. Any 2012 or above MacBook Pro would work just fine too which are well under $1000 or less it's not that complicated🤷🏼‍♂️
Gio Alex 8:32 PM - 29 August, 2017
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Yup! you can customize that bad boy. Just like the Late 2012 Mac Mini. Before they soldered everything or made the proprietary parts.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:57 AM - 30 August, 2017
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And that's why it would have been nice if the twelve would also cater to the ones not affording a new 2200$ computer too... sorry, but i just don't have 3000$ lying around. In some parts of the world you cannot really abuse your credit card....
Bruh you don't need a $2000/$3000 laptop to get good performance out of SDJ lol you do however need a computer with an i7 Processor for best performance and any pc or Mac will do. You can get an i7 pc for like less than $500 on Amazon. Any 2012 or above MacBook Pro would work just fine too which are well under $1000 or less it's not that complicated🤷🏼‍♂️


I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.
Fluked 6:08 AM - 30 August, 2017
Serato Staff...... Will the twelves integrate or work with the TTM57 MK2?? Or is the 72 mixer essential for function? What features would be missed out on?
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:29 AM - 30 August, 2017
The twelve will work with any Serato DJ mixer from the Akai to the Z Trip 62.

It's the same as plugging in a dicer or any other Serato official accessory.
CMOS 1:04 PM - 30 August, 2017
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Unless you are doing video, you dont need to spend anywhere near that.

My 4 year old macbook air with an i5 1.3ghz and 4gb of ram runs SDJ flawlessly. Think you can get the lowest model out now for $999 which has a better processor than mine.

Audio mixing doesnt require an i7 macbook pro with 16gb of ram, you are wasting your money.

Telling people to get a 2500 dollar machine is ridiculous when the software will run fine on a 1000 dolar machine, leaving 1500 for a mixer or decks. Im really suprised i dont see more DJs with the Air.
DJ Tecniq 2:25 PM - 30 August, 2017
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Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.
DJ Marv the Maverick 5:23 PM - 30 August, 2017
lots of audio djs in my neck of the woods are using the the air macbook machines without any issues.

hell I know a dj that uses an AMD CPU Windows machine without any problems
Gio Alex 5:28 PM - 30 August, 2017
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Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files


This is a legit point.
Gio Alex 5:31 PM - 30 August, 2017
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Im really suprised i dont see more DJs with the Air.


I think most of the bias of more portable not suuuuuuuuuuper suped up machines started with people that were doing serato video. Since it demands more. But I feel like people are using that as much these days and if you're just using SSL or SDJ a nicely spec'ed macbook air would be perfect. I use mine on occasion for simple/short quick gigs. I have a 2013.
05spoof 7:11 PM - 30 August, 2017
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I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.
Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.

Really?...this whole time I thought it was because of core count. Like 4 does 8 at a time while 2 will do 4 simultaneously.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:44 PM - 30 August, 2017
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I run SDJ without issue on a $300 i5 Acer that's a few years old.
Oh I know an i5 would be fine as well I only meant i7 cause it will analyze more files and would be able to handle SDJ best cause of the powerful processor w/very little CPU.

Really?...this whole time I thought it was because of core count. Like 4 does 8 at a time while 2 will do 4 simultaneously.


It is because of core count and not all i7's are quad core so always check that.
Gio Alex 7:57 PM - 30 August, 2017
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It is because of core count and not all i7's are quad core so always check that.


Yeah it's the quad core i believe.
Will08272 8:22 PM - 30 August, 2017
Bit of topic but the new intel processors that were just announced that are used on the 13" macbook and laptops of the like are quad core now. No more having to get the bigger machines for quad core cpu's.
05spoof 1:58 PM - 31 August, 2017
Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?
GusGomez 4:51 PM - 31 August, 2017
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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?


I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's
Djkom 7:51 PM - 31 August, 2017
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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?


I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's


Denon hasn't produced turntables for years ! Moreover some parts are exactly the same, so yes Numark is behind the Denon VL12s and the Rane Twelve !
And it's not a bad point because Numark have a lot of good engineering (conception, design... ) but the build and the general quality was poor...things that Denon and Rane are good in !

InMusic has all the key components to make EXCELLENT products from low to high end market !
GusGomez 3:35 PM - 1 September, 2017
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Maybe the quads can help with those drop-out issues when p-n-t is enabled as well as being stable at 1ms buffer

On topic...Denon releases VL12...Numark does a follow up with the ntx1000. Anybody think Numark will do the same with a v12 or v10 at $399 if the twelve doesn't move fast enough?


I don't think the NTX1000 is in the same class as the VL12's


Denon hasn't produced turntables for years ! Moreover some parts are exactly the same, so yes Numark is behind the Denon VL12s and the Rane Twelve !
And it's not a bad point because Numark have a lot of good engineering (conception, design... ) but the build and the general quality was poor...things that Denon and Rane are good in !

InMusic has all the key components to make EXCELLENT products from low to high end market !


Correct from my personal experience with the DenonDJ VL12's I haven't had turntables with this premium feel in a long time they feel amazing I guess time will tell how durable they are
Chino 4:41 PM - 4 September, 2017
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That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?


Great question! I would like to know this as well.
WildcardX 5:35 PM - 4 September, 2017
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That said - a better question would be "Since the Twelve is a MIDI device = can the Twelve be midi mapped to other software like Scratchlive, Traktor, Virtual DJ etc as a Midi device"?

Is it relatively open or mappable?


Great question! I would like to know this as well.


Two situations come to mind here, while it might be mapped to VDJ and Traktor, for Scratch Live it might land in the same situation as not being able to map the Jog Wheels as in many Turntable based Midi controllers like the Denon SC3700 and 3900.
Michael R 9:27 PM - 4 September, 2017
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for Scratch Live it might land in the same situation as not being able to map the Jog Wheels as in many Turntable based Midi controllers like the Denon SC3700 and 3900.

This is correct, you can't map the Virtual Decks in Scratch Live.
slimmjimm 10:54 PM - 4 September, 2017
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This is correct, you can't map the Virtual Decks in Scratch Live.


What's the basic difference between the VCI 380 and this? Also wasn't there a Denon that was supported? I believe that's where the Vestax mapping was born if I'm not mistaken.
Michael R 11:01 PM - 4 September, 2017
Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).
Chino 11:09 PM - 4 September, 2017
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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).


Soooo…. I know this is a LOOOOOOONG shot but…. Is there any chance that Serato might offer a PAID expansion pack to get the Twelve completely MIDI mapped to SSL?

I DEFINITELY would be willing to pay $29 - $49 to have the option to use the Twelve with SSL instead!!!!
Michael R 11:13 PM - 4 September, 2017
Sorry, Scratch Live is no longer being developed.
lvmez 11:59 PM - 4 September, 2017
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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).


Soooo…. I know this is a LOOOOOOONG shot but…. Is there any chance that Serato might offer a PAID expansion pack to get the Twelve completely MIDI mapped to SSL?

I DEFINITELY would be willing to pay $29 - $49 to have the option to use the Twelve with SSL instead!!!!


Lol!!! You guys are don't stop. You guys should start a new thread where you beg for every new product to be supported for SSL.
DJ Reflex 12:17 AM - 5 September, 2017
^^ I'm in! Trying to get Soundswitch to work with SL too! ^^ LoL
DJ Dub Cowboy 12:24 AM - 5 September, 2017
can we at least get an SSL skin easter eggg for DJ?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:19 AM - 5 September, 2017
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Personally, if you're gonna sell a mixer for more than 1500 it should have an FX Loop (send return),


Whoo whee...wow.
Michael R 2:53 AM - 5 September, 2017
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There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?
Mr. Goodkat 3:37 AM - 5 September, 2017
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Hmmm this is going back a while but if I remember correctly Vestax did a bit of a hack to get the VCI-380 platters going (it wasn't done by us ;).


yeah that mapping should be floating around somewhere

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There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?


1 memories
2 the colors are just better
Gio Alex 3:45 AM - 5 September, 2017
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Not to sound all crabby, but you do realize ppl have been asking that for a long time now right? I can tell you my personal reason. The color scheme on SDJ just blends together a lot. Often times I can't tell the tracks I've played so easily verses the ones I haven't. The SSL colorsheme was clear as day. The colors just popped out more.

Also the fx parameter knob made more sense with the little pointer indiction like a real mixer has. Rather than that weird sweeper thing it's got going. I dunno how to describe it, but it's like SDJ user interface was designer for non djs. I swear I'm not hating, but sometimes oversimplifying things just make it more complicated.
Gio Alex 3:47 AM - 5 September, 2017
Meant designed*

Can we get a edit button already on this forum for crying out loud! lol
Michael R 4:55 AM - 5 September, 2017
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Now this I get :)

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It's funny aye, things like this can be so subjective. I find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ. I totally see the green played track being very bright, but again personally I always found this too bright. But what you're saying is definitely something I've heard before, especially from people coming over to DJ from SL vs. coming over from ITCH.
Mr. Goodkat 4:59 AM - 5 September, 2017
i think the white/green just has a bit more contrast more than blue/white.
Gio Alex 5:23 AM - 5 September, 2017
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Exactly!
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:32 AM - 5 September, 2017
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There's always a possibility :)

Serious question: may I ask why you would want this?


I seriously have a hard time seeing everything in DJ. I find that SSL strains my eyes way less and I can navigate the screen much easier. I also like the way the cue point colors were applied in SSL better than DJ, I have a hard time seeing the dark blue cue point in the overview waveform.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:34 AM - 5 September, 2017
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this too.
WarpNote 5:55 AM - 5 September, 2017
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It's funny aye, things like this can be so subjective. I find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ

@Michael R:
Actually, no its is a fact, orange IS brighter than blue to the human eye....
Same goes for green. This is common knowledge, that any GUI designer should know.

Have a look into this chart -> en.wikipedia.org

From this page -> en.wikipedia.org
Gio Alex 2:36 PM - 5 September, 2017
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Thank you! The first time, and till now, I eyes get lost in things I'm looking for in SDJ. It's really hard to navigate because the colors are so dim and muddy up.
AKIEM 2:48 PM - 5 September, 2017
Personally I dislike reds and yellows, in favor of blues and greens. But as a designer I know that black, white and RED are best for contrast and legebility, print or screen. The darker the blue especially next to grey is horrible on screen. Blue for played tracks is fine, but not much else.

Clarity and legebility would seem like a higher priority for a DJ gui which needs to be readable at a glance and in various lighting conditions.

A lot of other less critical software has user selectable palettes. Seems like SDJ should have that, some hue faders, reverse... something at this point.

WarpNote, yup science.
Gio Alex 2:56 PM - 5 September, 2017
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This.

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If it's a day gig with SDJ, forget about it. lol

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A lot of other less critical software has user selectable palettes. Seems like SDJ should have that, some hue faders, reverse... something at this point.



Makes me wonder if it's not some Rane vs Serato legality issue. Who owns the rights to SSL and it's design? Is it a Rane/Serato partnership.
AKIEM 4:29 PM - 5 September, 2017
My understanding is that the SSL gui was important branding. And it did look like it complemented Rane gear at the time (I don't know about legal) But at this point I can't see how having some more color options would hurt brand recognition (especially when it's just greyblue muddied now lol)

(glad the little pastel color dot is gone tho)
J.J. 6:44 PM - 5 September, 2017
From a graphic design standpoint, Serato DJ is clearly better than Scratch Live. From the simple flat modern design to the ergonomic layout. Even though orange is brighter, I also find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ.

I personally love the color scheme of Serato DJ. I prefer the Highlighted Track blue than the burnt orange. I also like the Played Tracks to turn blue rather than green.

You would think it would be easy add orange.
Under Setup -> Library + Display -> Played Track Color = Blue, Gray or None

But then the color scheme will be all messed up and you end up with Virtual DJ. Maybe with Retina support, it would be a lot easier to see. They could add a CLASSIC (orange, green) SSL layout design. Where is Day Mode like in Itch?

For the DJs that are having problems reading the tracks, is zooming in out of the question?
Zoom library text size: control and + or -

If you really want orange and day mode you can invert the colors on a mac. Of course it messes up the waveform and cue point colors.
Under System Preferences -> Accessibility -> Display -> Check Invert colors.
Mr. Goodkat 6:58 PM - 5 September, 2017
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From a graphic design standpoint, Serato DJ is clearly better than Scratch Live. From the simple flat modern design to the ergonomic layout. Even though orange is brighter, I also find the orange bar in Scratch Live isn't as clear as the blue one in Serato DJ.

I personally love the color scheme of Serato DJ. I prefer the Highlighted Track blue than the burnt orange. I also like the Played Tracks to turn blue rather than green.

You would think it would be easy add orange.
Under Setup -> Library + Display -> Played Track Color = Blue, Gray or None

But then the color scheme will be all messed up and you end up with Virtual DJ. Maybe with Retina support, it would be a lot easier to see. They could add a CLASSIC (orange, green) SSL layout design. Where is Day Mode like in Itch?

For the DJs that are having problems reading the tracks, is zooming in out of the question?
Zoom library text size: control and + or -

If you really want orange and day mode you can invert the colors on a mac. Of course it messes up the waveform and cue point colors.
Under System Preferences -> Accessibility -> Display -> Check Invert colors.


i think orange and green is an ugly combo(no offense to the Irish) but it stands out.

Blue, grey and black are nice looking in a design sense, but with dark dj booths or bright day events they arent the best for djing on a computer
Mr. Goodkat 7:00 PM - 5 September, 2017
its like this page on your website

www.poweronplay.com

the stuff with red is far easier to see than that serato design in blue. if you have great eyesight, it might look ok either way, but with not great to bad eyesight in bad light its just difficult
J.J. 7:36 PM - 5 September, 2017
Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com
Gio Alex 7:46 PM - 5 September, 2017
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Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com


Wait, what's happening here?
Mr. Goodkat 10:40 PM - 5 September, 2017
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Red does POP.

www.poweronplay.com


i was just saying on your site, the red is obvious too much for serato with the amount of lines and text. thats why its good for bad files or errors, they shouldnt be there too much.

the green is brigher and to me seems to signal information like a street sign as opposed to a red which means stop or attention.
Gio Alex 3:16 AM - 6 September, 2017
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i was just saying on your site, the red is obvious too much for serato with the amount of lines and text. thats why its good for bad files or errors, they shouldnt be there too much.

the green is brigher and to me seems to signal information like a street sign as opposed to a red which means stop or attention.


It's proven that certain colors do certain things to the mind and eye. Some people in here just playing games lol.
Michael R 1:19 AM - 7 September, 2017
Thanks for the feedback, good to hear from you all.

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Actually, no its is a fact, orange IS brighter than blue to the human eye....
Same goes for green. This is common knowledge, that any GUI designer should know.

I never said the blue was brighter, I said that to me I find the blue clearer. For me, the orange makes it hard to read the white.

Also FYI I'm not a GUI designer, so this is all just my opinion ;)

Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.
Taipanic 6:02 AM - 7 September, 2017
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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.


Unless you are Numark!
HATE all the red on the NS7 - kept me from buying one for sure
Gio Alex 2:07 PM - 7 September, 2017
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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.


Unless you are Numark!
HATE all the red on the NS7 - kept me from buying one for sure


Yeah I never understood the logic behind putting read on the meters. So backwards. With that being said, I also hate blue/white LEDs. I think the Mackie D2 had that. THROWBACK THURSDAY!!!
AKIEM 2:52 PM - 7 September, 2017
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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.


Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org
Gio Alex 3:22 PM - 7 September, 2017
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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.


Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org


LOL this guy
AKIEM 6:35 PM - 7 September, 2017
lol. But for real that dark red would be more seeable than the true-blue for the button indicators and the auto loop number, etc. can't even see that.

To me the blue/grey played text is fine, change the size if it's too small.
Michael R 10:28 PM - 7 September, 2017
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Lastly we avoid using red as it's generally a warning colour.


Not necessarily.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Touché :P
skinnyguy 6:33 PM - 8 September, 2017
about the rane twelve being mapped to ssl....

there was a hack (someone wrote code) for the platters on the denon 6000 to work with ssl.

i'm sure something similar (or possibly even the same code) can be used for the twelve.
J.J. 7:54 PM - 8 September, 2017
SSL supports custom MIDI in a XML file. You can get non spinning platters to work using the DN-HC4500 XML MIDI. They are talking about spinning MIDI platters like the DN-S3700 or DN-S3900. You can even get non Serato supported Jogwheels to work with SDJ which works better than in SSL.

1. <midi>
2. <!-- SSL RANE TWELVE mapping file created by PowerOnPlay on 8th Sep, 2017 -->
3. <Platter type="Denon DN-HC4500" />
4. <Modifier name="Shift Modifier 1" event_type="Note On" channel="1" control="96" />
5. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" data_type="Relative Binary Offset" control="81" />
6. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="81" data_type="Relative 2&apos;s Complement" reversed="true" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 1"/>
7. <Control name="Platter Control Left" channel="1" event_type="Note On" control="81" />
SUBSTANCE 10:00 PM - 17 September, 2017
Any hands on videos yet?
dj_spark 3:19 PM - 18 September, 2017
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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Proof !
www.instagram.com
DJ Barticus 5:41 PM - 18 September, 2017
I already sold my Denon SC5000 to make room for a pair of these. at this point the rane 12 controller might get serato support first.
Chino 7:05 PM - 18 September, 2017
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I already sold my Denon SC5000 to make room for a pair of these. at this point the rane 12 controller might get serato support first.


Since the RANE Twelve is an 'OSA'(Official Serato Accessory), I would imagine that Serato DJ support SHOULD be available right at product launch.

I'm still debating whether or not to sell my pair of Denon sc3900s prior to purchasing the Twelve. I will probably wait to make sure the Twelve is stable/reliable before I sell my 3900s.
AKIEM 7:14 PM - 18 September, 2017
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I also wanted a 12, but after reading some of your comments here about portability and carrying stuff I have to admit that I'm slowly drifting into the 10" camp, here is why :

- I have a Numark V7, the platter is small and the size of the unit is acceptable. I mod it with a 10 vinyl.
- I also have a SLDZ, the size of the unit is perfect, the size of the platter is good.
- I have a CDX too, the platter is luxurious in size but that unit is huge !

So having the confort of a large platter into a small space area is only possible with the 10 imo.

Proof !
www.instagram.com


Which one of these has the closer footprint to a Rane mixer (and the 12)?

Ans: V7

The Twelve has the same depth (front to back) as the V7 it's just wider by a couple inches. That's part of the benefit of battle style minimal crap, good use of space - which those decks lack. Maybe the SLDZ. So they could have made it 10" and as short SLDZ, but why? Shorter than the mixer??

Don't focus on the plater size instead of the actual footprint which is closer to V7 than the other two, its just much more efficient with space and gadgets.

A 10" version would be shorter than the mixer...
AKIEM 11:27 PM - 18 September, 2017
Actually I think I'm wrong about the above. I was assuming the 72 has the same footprint as the 62 - 14" high. That's maybe incorrect.
AKIEM 11:46 PM - 18 September, 2017
I made some guesses.... but.

i.imgflip.com
NUdisc0 11:49 PM - 18 September, 2017
I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.
AKIEM 11:50 PM - 18 September, 2017
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I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.


You will likely be dissapointed. ...
NUdisc0 11:53 PM - 18 September, 2017
Why would you say that? Has Rane quality gone downhill?
AKIEM 11:56 PM - 18 September, 2017
We don't know yet, but they were purchased and will be made in Taiwan. And I bet the pitch fader is on a pc board with the rest of the buttons
NUdisc0 12:01 AM - 19 September, 2017
Taiwan? Umm...it is better than China. If not made in the US, then it will be a deal breaker for me. To me, Rane=made in USA. If made in Taiwan, then that's a Numark... :(
AKIEM 12:06 AM - 19 September, 2017
NUdisc0 12:18 AM - 19 September, 2017
I knew about that unfortunate event. Denon dj too and they have kept the quality high. I can only hope Rane will not lose its reputation like Nunark did. Numark used to be good before they were bought.
Rebelguy 1:47 AM - 19 September, 2017
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I knew about that unfortunate event. Denon dj too and they have kept the quality high. I can only hope Rane will not lose its reputation like Nunark did. Numark used to be good before they were bought.


It seems like you were headed for a lot of disappointment. Denon Quality has gone downhill since the switch in ownership. There are a lot of complaints over their new products.

What is your plan if you don't play up the Rane decks. There are currently no DJ products made in the USA.
NUdisc0 2:57 AM - 19 September, 2017
Denon has had problems. I see no evidenve thst the quality is worse now than 20 years ago.

'll just wait and see if the twelve is any good. After people start using it. And get it if it has had no major reported problems.
I have always equated Rane with Made in the USA and with great products.
dj_soo 4:54 AM - 19 September, 2017
The 62 was made in the US and we've had problems with:

- first wave of buttons not being responsive/being pushed into the unit
- first round of mag faders cracking and magnet falling out
- second round of mag faders cracking and the bracket falling out
- plastic knob stems getting very loose after long term use
- poor driver support - especially after el capitan launched

Asia can have quality manufacturing. It all just depends on where they go.

Apple manufactures all their stuff in China and they are reknowned for quality build.

Pioneer manufactures their stuff in malaysia and while they've had issues, most of their gear is considered solid in terms of build.

Denon has always been pretty good quality-wise - their biggest failing has always been software and firmware support.

After my experience with the 62 - which wasn't terrible, but not as indestructable as the old 57 - I'm not going to immediately think something is superior just because it's manufactured in the states. Rane's best quality was always support anyway and that's something that remains to be seen if InMusic will even come close to that same level.
NUdisc0 7:34 PM - 19 September, 2017
Of course. And I like stuff made in Japan too. The Pio stuff is OK. But I like Rane making stuff in the US. Numark before it got bought used to manufacture their mixers in NY.
HighTopFade 5:17 PM - 20 September, 2017
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first round of mag faders cracking and magnet falling out


Were these issues solved with the release of the V2 faders? The ones with the clear carriers? Thanks.
dj_soo 6:40 PM - 20 September, 2017
clear carriers have another problem with the plastic cracking and the bracket falling out.

Apparently they have new carriers based on the new mag 3 fader for the 72 that's coming out or already out.
John Calipari 6:19 PM - 21 September, 2017
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I personally can't wait for this. Saving up right now. I trust that Rane will keep manufacturing in the US and that the quality in parts, workmanship and design will be great. One wish I have is for the pitch slider to be replaceable just like on the sl1200s.


1200 Pitch fader, may have technically been user replaceable, but from what I remember, Technics/Panasonic sure as hell didn't make it easy, at least for the MK2 & MK3D. You definitely had to keep your wits about you when changing them or the pop-up-light.
DJ Irv 12:28 PM - 22 September, 2017
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1200 Pitch fader, may have technically been user replaceable, but from what I remember, Technics/Panasonic sure as hell didn't make it easy, at least for the MK2 & MK3D. You definitely had to keep your wits about you when changing them or the pop-up-light.


I've done a bunch of these (pitch fader). It requires soldering but, as far as soldering is concerned it's pretty easy. The pop-up isn't difficult either but, if you let the wires cross the 1200 will almost always fry itself. It's pretty common to see fried 1200s because of a botched pop-up light job.
NUdisc0 7:21 AM - 23 September, 2017
I wish someone should make an aftermarket conductive plastic sider for the mk2. Servicing a 1200 mk2 is pretty simple.
John Calipari 1:23 AM - 24 September, 2017
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I wish someone should make an aftermarket conductive plastic sider for the mk2. Servicing a 1200 mk2 is pretty simple.


Yeah but making an omelet is also pretty simple . . . . for some, others are going to end up ripping it on the flip and end of with scrambled eggs w/Cheese & Bacon.

Difference is it's a $500 omelet.

And there isn't one thing I'd change on an MK2. Stock, It's the best deck Technics ever manufactured and the greatest piece of DJ equipment to ever lace'em'up.
NUdisc0 1:41 AM - 24 September, 2017
In case you did not get the memo, fyi, sl-1200s were discontinued. Eventually parts like pitch controls will run out. It would be nice if a company made a replacement-preferable a conductive plastic pot, which would last longer.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:32 AM - 24 September, 2017
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In case you did not get the memo, fyi, sl-1200s were discontinued. Eventually parts like pitch controls will run out. It would be nice if a company made a replacement-preferable a conductive plastic pot, which would last longer.


SL1200 pitch faders are plentiful...most of the time. Seems like all the crucial parts are still in production. They come in batches. Black tonearms were pretty rare and expensive for the last year but there is a new batch available. I've tracked parts for Technics for the last 10 years. There were times I panicked and stocked up but time has shown that most everything is available....for now.
NUdisc0 6:21 PM - 24 September, 2017
The sl1200 parts have climbed in cost. I have a stock of pitch sliders to maintain my 6x sl1200s. I bought them when they were still reasonably priced.
John Calipari 8:18 PM - 24 September, 2017
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The sl1200 parts have climbed in cost. I have a stock of pitch sliders to maintain my 6x sl1200s. I bought them when they were still reasonably priced.


Have you ever had a Technics 1200MK2 factory installed Pitch Fader wear out & fail on you?
NUdisc0 8:22 PM - 24 September, 2017
Never failed, but i have worn out pitch sliders. Those are carbon pots.
GusGomez 2:49 PM - 29 September, 2017
So I asked Rane what the weight is for the TWELVE and they replied that its 20.5lbs that's definitely lighter than my VL12's which I thought were the lightest TT's out.
AKIEM 8:19 PM - 29 September, 2017
So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)
GusGomez 10:12 PM - 29 September, 2017
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So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)

Lol I kinda like the idea of not carrying needles but I think if weee to get this setup I would definitely have to get the mixer too because of the USB’s in the back
Mr. Goodkat 10:59 PM - 29 September, 2017
lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob
GusGomez 11:22 PM - 29 September, 2017
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lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob

Problem is I tried them before and they suck..also I have a MacBook Pro 2017
the SOUNDINSURGENT 11:26 PM - 29 September, 2017
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lotta ppl been using usb hubs for a long time with no prob

Problem is I tried them before and they suck..also I have a MacBook Pro 2017


Was it a powered hub??

Been using them for years with no problems..
Niro 10:03 AM - 1 October, 2017
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So about 4 lbs lighter than a 1200.
(for you weaklings lol)


Arent 12's 27 pounds.
NUdisc0 12:33 PM - 1 October, 2017
I think 27.5 lbs with lid and 24.25 lbs without lid.
lvmez 9:16 PM - 26 October, 2017
I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?
Illiment 6:43 PM - 30 October, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.
Mr. Goodkat 6:46 PM - 30 October, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.


dmc contest
Illiment 6:52 PM - 30 October, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.


dmc contest



True
Djkom 9:40 PM - 30 October, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.


When you realize what is good marketing...we can tell everything over Pioneer, but when they announce a new product, the release date comes a few days after...

Serato partnerships make freaking delays in products launch !

Rane could have, at least, demoed the Rane 72 in standalone/mixer mode with on board effects and the new faders/crossfader but it's not the case so I guess nothing is on point right now and we will have to wait for sure till early 2018...
WarpNote 12:38 PM - 1 November, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..
GusGomez 12:44 PM - 1 November, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.
WarpNote 12:56 PM - 1 November, 2017
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this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72

Well, I might.. (I have the S9, ltd gold ed, a Rane 62 and a DJM-900SRT)
I also have friends saying the same.

Some issues with the S9 is are the non stackable/layerable fx and no unique pad mode for each side. Also, from my experience, I prefer the sound of Rane over Pioneer.

Also considering the Rane 12s as I am fed up with bass feedback, bad tone arms etc.

But, yeah I do agree that the "marketing move" is not necessary a good one. :-)
Rebelguy 1:00 PM - 1 November, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.


Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.
GusGomez 1:06 PM - 1 November, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.


Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.

Correct but the common factor there is u get a date it’ll be available in November xx or December xx Rane said sometime in the Fall now it’s sometime in 2018 wth kind of strategy is that? And by the way you mean to tell me they haven’t build not one 72 or Twelve to be able to do a demo with? This is the industry of now which means u better launch soon because come January I have a feeling pio is coming with a new mixer and Possibly the PLX mk II will be something like the Twelves
Illiment 1:50 PM - 1 November, 2017
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Also considering the Rane 12s as I am fed up with bass feedback, bad tone arms etc.

But, yeah I do agree that the "marketing move" is not necessary a good one. :-)



I still have my 62 and now that i'm over the novelty of the s9, i'm noticing the sound quality difference for sure. The fader and pads are really the only things keeping me using it most of the time over the 62. I'm def considering swapping the s9 for the 72. And I seem to be a magnet for dirty needles f'ing up my mixes at the worst possible times. I can't wait for the 12's and 72 to drop. Or at least have a demo video out so we can see what's really good with them. Hurry the hell up Rane!!!
djcrap 2:51 PM - 1 November, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72...and with Turntables the TWELVE's are a new item in a market where most dj's with Techs ain't letting them go and it seems like we're getting new Turntables push out to the market almost every month if I buy new turntables now why would I want to switch?...They need to take a playbook from Apple and Samsung and Pioneer announce a product when youre ready to sell the product not months after the hype is gone.


Apple announced the iMac Pro in June. It’s not being released until December. iPhone X announced in September. It’s being released in November. Samsung does the same.


I think its a great strategy in away that it gives the company to get the product right based on reviews and criticism of what was missed. Customer popular/ or expected wants on the hardware. So with enough time delay of the launch like how rane is doing it you never know there may be some changes on the 72 and the rane 12
J.J. 6:04 PM - 1 November, 2017
Numark (inMusic, same owner of RANE) announced the NS7ii in January 2013 at NAMM. It wasn't released until 10 months later in October. Numark didn't have anything like it on the market and it would hurt sales from the competition because customers would wait to purchase.

However, it was different from the NS7iii when announced in January 2015. They had to give dealers time to sale out their current inventory of the similar old product. The same reason apple was still advertising the latest iPhone 7 just two months ago in September. Even though we all knew the next iPhone was going to be announced September 12th.

If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice. For instance, Apple announced the iMac Pro in June of this year, but it won't be released until December. Because it's technically a different product than a regular iMac, it shouldn't undercut sales of their current iMac.
Mr. Goodkat 6:11 PM - 1 November, 2017
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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.


but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut
GusGomez 6:17 PM - 1 November, 2017
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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.


but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

Correct...Their competition is Pioneer who has the whole market on lock whether people want to admitted or not...Pioneer is putting that work in just now they announced yet another update to RekordboxDJ it seems like every few weeks they have a new update or announce a new product every other month their giving DJs options. I have a feeling they got something similar to the TWELVE's coming watch.
Mr. Goodkat 6:25 PM - 1 November, 2017
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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.


but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut

Correct...Their competition is Pioneer who has the whole market on lock whether people want to admitted or not...Pioneer is putting that work in just now they announced yet another update to RekordboxDJ it seems like every few weeks they have a new update or announce a new product every other month their giving DJs options. I have a feeling they got something similar to the TWELVE's coming watch.


except it will be 2000$
GusGomez 6:36 PM - 1 November, 2017


except it will be 2000$
LMAO! Now that you know it's true LOL!
J.J. 6:49 PM - 1 November, 2017
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If a business isn't undercutting a current product of theirs, this is common practice.


but we're talking rane, they have no products to undercut


Umm... Deja Vu (same point)

If Pioneer would have released a MIDI Turntable years ago, I would have been all over it. They decided to come out with a Super OEM Hanpin and offered nothing new.
lvmez 1:00 AM - 29 November, 2017
www.instagram.com

www.instagram.com

Finally some videos!! I am impressed.
GusGomez 1:06 AM - 29 November, 2017
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Finally some videos!! I am impressed.

They look dope! A little too late for me though I already purchased the Denon setup Turntables and SC5000 lol
DJ Unique 1:27 AM - 29 November, 2017
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Chino 2:41 AM - 29 November, 2017
I definitely like the wave form display on the mixer. I'm also interested to see how well the 72 switches from the wave form display to the x/y efx touch screen. It needs to be seemless with no freezes, audio drop outs etc.

I also wonder how RANE is handling latency? Are there USB 3.0 ports on the Twelve & 72?
Rebelguy 3:52 AM - 29 November, 2017
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I definitely like the wave form display on the mixer. I'm also interested to see how well the 72 switches from the wave form display to the x/y efx touch screen. It needs to be seemless with no freezes, audio drop outs etc.

I also wonder how RANE is handling latency? Are there USB 3.0 ports on the Twelve & 72?


USB 2.0 is more than capable if they write good drivers.
J.J. 4:35 AM - 29 November, 2017
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USB 2.0 is more than capable if they write good drivers.


Remember when Serato would write the drivers for Rane for Scratch Live? People were upset because they couldn't use other audio programs at the same time.

I miss the stable days.
Chino 7:15 AM - 29 November, 2017
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I agree. My concern is that inMusic Brand doesn't have a great track record with software and drivers.

Personally, I would prefer that Serato write specific drivers for the 72.

This is an excellent opportunity for Serato & Rane to work together to bring back the stability, reliability & rock solid performance.
Illiment 4:36 PM - 30 November, 2017
Damn, FINALLY. I can't wait for these. Dusty needles have plagued my entire dj existence. Strongly considering ditching the s9 for the 72 as well.
J.J. 5:29 PM - 30 November, 2017
Illiment gets it. I will always love vinyl. But because I'm a wannabe battle DJ, I've ruined precious vinyl and needles.
Taipanic 7:36 PM - 30 November, 2017
I'm a blender but it's just not the same without moving platters, why I've always been a Denon fan. Hoping there will be a non-battlestyle configuration at some point. No reason for the pitch control to be at the back of the deck for me, especially as there is no tonearm anymore.
Robbie O 7:39 PM - 30 November, 2017
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I'm a blender but it's just not the same without moving platters, why I've always been a Denon fan. Hoping there will be a non-battlestyle configuration at some point. No reason for the pitch control to be at the back of the deck for me, especially as there is no tonearm anymore.


You can’t rotate it? It would be weird for battle Dj’s to have the pitch the other way around thou
Gio Alex 8:34 PM - 30 November, 2017
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Due to where the power cabling is and other factors, not really. Doesn't make sense since there's no tonearm like Taipanic mentioned.
DJ Barticus 10:22 PM - 30 November, 2017
it uses standard IEC power and USB B connectors. you can find 90 degree cables for both if you really want to rotate

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Due to where the power cabling is and other factors, not really. Doesn't make sense since there's no tonearm like Taipanic mentioned.
Gio Alex 10:53 PM - 30 November, 2017
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it uses standard IEC power and USB B connectors. you can find 90 degree cables for both if you really want to rotate


It will not sit flush though and will stick out since the socket is not recessed. or underneath the deck.

In terms of the power socket...This would've been a better design:
www.planetdj.com

Rather than this:
cdn.digitaldjtips.com
Mr. Goodkat 10:57 PM - 30 November, 2017
if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.

i see ppl playing with turntable or cdj on the outer side of each other all the time. thats at least +- 12 inches, surely you can be fine with 2. they make 90 degree power cords and usb cables
Robbie O 1:37 AM - 1 December, 2017
This controller ain’t for you then fam.
#cantpleaseEverybody
DJ Reflex 2:59 AM - 1 December, 2017
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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.


Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?
HK1200 3:04 AM - 1 December, 2017
This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 3:19 AM - 1 December, 2017
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#cantpleaseEverybody


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Gio Alex 5:30 PM - 1 December, 2017
At the end of the day i really couldn't give two shits to be honest. It's just a discussion. I still cash nice checks with two tech 1200s and a nice mixer. I'm not the type to buy new things just cuz- new toys make absolutely no difference at all in my world. Shrugs.

With all that said, new shit is good for business though. So if it's giving people jobs and generating money then so be it.
Mr. Goodkat 5:48 PM - 1 December, 2017
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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.


Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?


thats one thing i could see, but taking it out of a case shouldnt be a huge issue.

but liike i said why would 1 inch make a difference in a live situation if you arent a turntablist?

people mix with 4 cdjs or use tts either inside or outside other cdjs or tts in live situations all the time. thats a much larger distance than the required cabling with a Twelve using a 90 degree power cord.
Gio Alex 5:57 PM - 1 December, 2017
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if you arent worried about turntablism then why would a couple inches make any differnce.


Won't fit in the case properly. Who wants an inch gap between mixer and TT?


I'm a stickler for aesthetics, presentation, and possibly very slightly ocd about gaps/layouts so little things like this that make no sense to some people would actually annoy me... so i totally understand your point.

My TTS, and mixer at home are perfectly lined up, no exposed cables... but that's just me though. maybe it's my design background that make me anal retentive about things being "perfectly" aligned/laid out.
HK1200 9:50 PM - 1 December, 2017
A little foam, trimmed to size, and any gaps between the 12 and case should be easily resolved.

Then again, if you're spending 4 or 5 grand on a 72 and a pair of Twelves what's a few hundred more for some new custom fit flight cases or a coffin? I'm sure Pellican/Oddesey/etc will eventually offer them, assuming the Twelve isn't a commercial flop.
THEE_Dj 2:50 PM - 5 December, 2017
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This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.


I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.
GusGomez 2:57 PM - 5 December, 2017
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This is the only controller that I personally find appealing in any way whatsoever. If it works as advertised and proves to live up to the legendary Rane brand, then I feel they have nailed it out of the park imho.

I won't be giving up my 1200's any time soon, but if I decide to add a third deck I would strongly consider giving the Twelve a go. My biggest pet peeve about DVS is that because you're not swapping out the vinyl every few minutes the CV tends to get dusty quickly, which transfers to the stylus, which means I'm constantly having to wipe my CV and brush my needles clean. The Twelve would eliminate this issue, but it's not enough of a benefit to abandon my techs, and really not even that big of a deal all things considered. The Twelve is still come very cool stuff though.

My biggest concern however is how closely tied to the software this thing appears to be. Same goes for the 72. It just kills me to know that I would be dropping some serious coin on an item that will most likely become completely unsupported and obsolete at some point. I mean sure, it'll work on Serato DJ until the hardware fails, but history shows us that they could drop a replacement for Serato DJ at any time and leave everyone out in the cold. A few years go by and you find your new computer won't run the final release of SDJ? Tough shit, buy all new stuff. Granted, it probably won't happen for a decade or more, but nobody really knows. Eventually though, there is a good chance of there being a lot of 72 and Twelve owners looking at their hardware with a bit of buyers remorse because it's become completely useless, or a large portion of it's functionality is no longer able to be utilized by the newest DJ software. Cost of doing business for some, but it's still a tough pill for me to swallow.

Now if they came up with a SL2/3/4 type of box that had a screen and the mpc pads like the 72, maybe even come up with a stand or some attachment system that placed the box/screen/buttons at the top edge of your stand alone mixer, I'd be all over it.

I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.


I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.

Portability the NS7 is a tank you could take one of these and a mixer and your laptop and you good to go
DJ Marv the Maverick 3:06 PM - 5 December, 2017
@Thee_DJ valid points but folks always want the latest and greatest.

@gusgomez two 12 inch platter and a full size mixer is less portable than the NS7/// no? I've never owned the NS7 but played on the MK1 many years back.

When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.

From a business perspective i wonder how well it Will work with other software especially the platter.
HK1200 3:14 PM - 5 December, 2017
12" platters.
Completely modular.
Has everything you need and nothing you don't.
Rane, not Numark garbage (though all under the inmusic umbrella now, so we shall see if that still holds true)

There are reasons.
Illiment 3:57 PM - 5 December, 2017
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Completely modular.
Has everything you need and nothing you don't.
Rane, not Numark garbage (though all under the inmusic umbrella now, so we shall see if that still holds true)

There are reasons.


Boom.


These obviously aren't for everyone, I find it strange that people want to nitpick over issues that these products clearly aren't geared towards in the first place. If you're a semi-hardcore to hardcore tablist/scratch dj this should answer most if not all of your prayers. No needle dust, no vibration, ultra pitch capabiliies, rock solid digital pitch for mixing, ability to put any size record on the platters, and more. I can't tell you how many times dirty needles/tonearms and random pitch fluctuations have killed my vibe. These days believe it or not i'd prefer my ddj sz2 to play any given party because I can mix a million times quicker, I never have to worry about the control vinyl running out and going into internal at the WORST possible time, then having to waste precious seconds to react and reset. Also hands up if a dusty needle right at the end of the control vinyl ever slipped into internal mode at -50% or some random weird pitch and totally wrecked your set?

As for build quality, call me a fanboy but anything with a Rane logo that I've ever owned in 20 years of djing has never let me down once. NOT ONE TIME. I don't expect that to change. I'm super optimistic about the 12 + 72 and for damn sure will be copping once they drop.
Chino 4:04 PM - 5 December, 2017
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When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.


I'm not sure if this question has been answered already but is the RANE 72 mixer standalone? Meaning- can I hook up a pair of 1200s to it and just play out with vinyl?
Illiment 4:10 PM - 5 December, 2017
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These days believe it or not i'd prefer my ddj sz2 to play any given party because I can mix a million times quicker, I never have to worry about the control vinyl running out and going into internal at the WORST possible time, then having to waste precious seconds to react and reset.


I forgot to add that the only drawback I find with the sz is that I can't cut on it like I can on turntables obviously. Now guess what, I'll be able to with the 12's. Whatever portability issues people wanna complain about, for me are mitigated by the fact that I should be able to perform to my fullest potential at any given time without worrying about stupid technical things going wrong.
Illiment 4:13 PM - 5 December, 2017
what other software (s) are you guys using regularly in addition to SDJ? Why would you even, isn't that inviting more problems into your life having to maintain two separate setups? I'd assume most of you are here because you primarily use SDJ no?
GusGomez 4:18 PM - 5 December, 2017
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@Thee_DJ valid points but folks always want the latest and greatest.

@gusgomez two 12 inch platter and a full size mixer is less portable than the NS7/// no? I've never owned the NS7 but played on the MK1 many years back.

But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...for example when I play in the radio station there’s no space for a mixer and two turntables or two CDJs so I take my Denon X1800 and one SC5000 and control both decks on one side with the TWELVE it would be the same situation
Gio Alex 4:21 PM - 5 December, 2017
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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...


Like on a V7 lol
GusGomez 4:23 PM - 5 December, 2017
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Like on a V7 lol

Correct like the V7 but again I had the NS7 II and the NS7III and traded them in because of how heavy they were to carry from gig to gig the NS7 is heavy by itself and then u add a case to that it becomes massive
Robbie O 4:27 PM - 5 December, 2017
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Like on a V7 lol


It’s a valid point, the NS7 & especially the V7 never got caught the acceptance from the turnablist group that it should’ve. Maybe 7” was too toyish or maybe it was numark not being associated w quality 🤷🏿‍♂️.

NS7 with an innofader was quality
GusGomez 4:32 PM - 5 December, 2017
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But you really don’t need two of these to be honest you can control both decks on one TWELVE...


Like on a V7 lol


It’s a valid point, the NS7 & especially the V7 never got caught the acceptance from the turnablist group that it should’ve. Maybe 7” was too toyish or maybe it was numark not being associated w quality 🤷🏿‍♂️.

NS7 with an innofader was quality

I also think the V7 was ahead of its time DJ’s I think weren’t ready to trust that product now its a different scene as much as I love turntables CDJs are Kings right now but the TWELVEs might change that although I doubt it my SC5000s are so much easier to lug around then my VL12’s that I don’t see me taking out my VL12’s unless it’s a special event or if I just feel like using TTS that particular day
WildcardX 5:22 PM - 5 December, 2017
So no one else is thinking along the lines, just like they took AKAI MPD pads *(AKAI also being under the InMusic umbrella) and put it to the NS7 II and III that they will take the same, now refined tech, used in that NS7 Controller as well and apply it to the Rane Twelve (and by Extension the Seventy-Two which has AKAI MPD pads)?
Gio Alex 5:38 PM - 5 December, 2017
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I think this is what it really comes down to. Denon had motorized platters too and people didn't get with it as much as anticipated or expected. The majority just love their static platters, and weren't ready.

Even now you see venues with fully functioning TTs and the fly-by-nights use them as a giant drink coaster.
Mr. Goodkat 6:01 PM - 5 December, 2017
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Even now you see venues with fully functioning TTs and the fly-by-nights use them as a giant drink coaster.


major pet peeve
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:54 PM - 5 December, 2017
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When the initial excitement is all over I hope we can all come back to the realization that this is just a big controller with no standalone capability and tied to one software.


I'm not sure if this question has been answered already but is the RANE 72 mixer standalone? Meaning- can I hook up a pair of 1200s to it and just play out with vinyl?


I'm sure it's battle mixer any day ie like 62 57 S9 etc.

I reminded the guys over at Denon not to forget to include bpm detect for the phone/rca sources.

The 62 and 64 didn't have it.
Gio Alex 8:21 PM - 5 December, 2017
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major pet peeve


Same here man
dj_soo 9:54 PM - 5 December, 2017
I'm more excited about the 72 than the twelves. The 72 is everything I wanted the S9 to be and more and will definitely be upgrading to the 72 given good reviews, but the twelves would be more of a wish-list thing. I would love to see twelves become a standard install in clubs tho, as I've had my fair share of poorly maintained turntables or poorly isolated dj booths in my time. The serato-only nature might be problematic in encouraging installs tho. If they could get both the 72 and the Twelves licensed with Traktor as well, it would probably be to their benefit.

In the meantime, I'm happy enough using my turntables at home and my Denon SC3900s for mobile gigs.
J.J. 12:08 AM - 6 December, 2017
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I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

If it similar to the MP2015 guts that Fred from Rane says it has, it will be one phenomenal analog mixer.

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I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.


The NS7 is a MIDI only controller and cannot be used without a computer. The 72 battle mixer has been through far more iterations. The screen is new but it has taking the engineers who developed the NS7iii screens to work on the 72.

The NS7 pales in comparison to the 72 and a Twelve. Although I own and use the NS7ii daily, it has huge flaws. It is not a true battle mixer and the upfaders are horribly laid out as they are bunched together. The 72 dual sound card slaughters Numark. The 72 has onboard dual effects engines. 3 MAG THREE faders! Better layout (ergonomics). The load scroll isn't next to the master out. Control X-Y effects with the built in screen. The filters can be adjusted and are external. It has Echo on Mic 1. Foot-switch. 2 USB controller inputs. Reversible die cast aluminum FX paddles. etc.
2x4nyc 11:46 PM - 7 December, 2017
So my question is why is this media player such a secret in terms of why isn't Rane allowing several live dj's demo the unit so maybe buyers can decide if they want to invest in them... If their is a video out there showing a Dj using them I can't find it... smh ;-(
popnwave 11:56 PM - 7 December, 2017
Considering there isn't a version of Serato out that supports it publicly is probably why. Since they aren't true TTs it's not like you can slap a record on top and see how they sound and feel.
HK1200 12:14 AM - 8 December, 2017
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So my question is why is this media player such a secret in terms of why isn't Rane allowing several live dj's demo the unit so maybe buyers can decide if they want to invest in them... If their is a video out there showing a Dj using them I can't find it... smh ;-(



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THEE_Dj 4:18 PM - 8 December, 2017
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I can't lie though, part of me really wants a 72 and some Twelves... But I'm shopping for an analog mixer that will presumably be useful for the rest of my life instead.

If it similar to the MP2015 guts that Fred from Rane says it has, it will be one phenomenal analog mixer.

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I don't get the benefit of this over the NS7 MKIII other than being able to control 4 decks SPECIFICALLY with 1 and the 12" platter. (the NS7 will control still control 4 decks).

NS7 can be used without a computer if you want via the USB input...this can't
NS7 gives you 2 platters AND a 4 channel mixer for $1300(with waveform screens). With this, you can pay $800 for one and control all 4 decks plus a Pioneer S3 for $500 for a total of $1300.
NS7 has been through 3 iterations of the NS7. Meaning they've addressed/fixed a lot of bugs over the years and know how to build it and make it work. This is iteration 1. NO idea how well it will/won't work in real life use.

I really don't see the benefit.


The NS7 is a MIDI only controller and cannot be used without a computer. The 72 battle mixer has been through far more iterations. The screen is new but it has taking the engineers who developed the NS7iii screens to work on the 72.

The NS7 pales in comparison to the 72 and a Twelve. Although I own and use the NS7ii daily, it has huge flaws. It is not a true battle mixer and the upfaders are horribly laid out as they are bunched together. The 72 dual sound card slaughters Numark. The 72 has onboard dual effects engines. 3 MAG THREE faders! Better layout (ergonomics). The load scroll isn't next to the master out. Control X-Y effects with the built in screen. The filters can be adjusted and are external. It has Echo on Mic 1. Foot-switch. 2 USB controller inputs. Reversible die cast aluminum FX paddles. etc.


The 72 will by far be better than the mixer on the NS7III i'm sure. That said, there IS a difference even in audio quality between the II and III. That's not what I was talking about. What I'm talking about is the Twelve ITSELF. It's $800. So ONE of these and the 72 will run you almost $3k. You can get TWO NS7iii's for that price. My gripe is that ONE twelve costs $800. It's the same gripe I had with the Denon SC3900's being $800. That's too much money for ONE. UNO. At least the SC3900's had the option to play without a PC via the USB port OR you could throw CD's into them and play that way. What I'm saying is for something that can ONLY be use digitally. ONLY digital. No backup audio source. Doesn't play off of a USB. Doesn't play CD's. ONLY digitally. $800 is a HIGH sticker price. For something that basically is a less functional Reloop 8000 MK2......but $100 more. You get what I'm saying?

My gripe is the cost for very minimal features. You get what I'm saying?
Chino 5:05 PM - 8 December, 2017
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Good point. I own a pair of 3900s so I definitely appreciate their value & flexibility. The RANE Twelve is a $800 MIDI controller with no standalone features.

BUT, in all fairness- the RANE Twelve is being aimed at turntablists as an update for the legendary Technics 1200s. No more breaking needles, hitting the tone arm, control vinyl or dust to worry about. No issues with strong gusts of wind at outdoor events. I also see the value in the Rane 12.

In the end, it's all subjective & personal preference.

Personally, I'm more concerned about whether inMusic Brand is going to be able to continue RANE's tradition of excellent build quality & customer service.
Robbie O 6:48 PM - 8 December, 2017
Think the point the NS7/V7 ppl are saying is basically the 12 by itself is a glorified V7...

More i think about it, Rane has made a very smart move by releasing the 12 w the 72. The 12s will ride on the waves of the 72.
dj_soo 8:00 PM - 8 December, 2017
I feel like I'd the twelve were more like the V7 - but allowed you to select between using the unit as the serato sound card like the V7 or selecting the 72 (or whatever) it would be a better option than what it is now - which is purely a midi controller that still needs a serato box/mixer.

The best guest complaint about the v7 was you couldn't use it purely as a midi controller and we're forced to use it as the primary serato device even if you were connecting it to a 62 or something

Regardless, I'm interested in trying out the Twelves - probably not that interested in purchasing a pair at full price tho unless that $800 ea is msrp and comes down in retail.
Mr. Goodkat 8:10 PM - 8 December, 2017
surely 800 will be 700 or 750.

yeah, things are getting too expensive, but when have they not been?

getting good deals on any dj equipment is almost impossible these days
DJ Barticus 8:15 PM - 8 December, 2017
IF the high price/limited features of the Twelve translates to quality and reliability it's worth it. I'd rather buy something that does a few things very well than something that tries to do everything just to have a long feature list.
CMOS 10:16 PM - 8 December, 2017
You dont need the 72 to use the 12s.

Keep seeing everyone saying the price of the 72 and the 12s. Hell you can use 1 and switch back and forth between decks.
popnwave 10:49 PM - 8 December, 2017
Instant doubles ftw.
J.J. 1:27 AM - 9 December, 2017
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My gripe is the cost for very minimal features. You get what I'm saying?

I get what your saying, but I can't remember the last time I used a CD or USB in the Denon SC3900.

Rane announced what I asked for. A cheap (compared to a outdated $2K CDJ) solid 12" Direct Drive MIDI Turntable. Turn it ON and forget about it. Keep it low cost with no screen or internal player. When Denon releases a 9" DD version of the SC5000, it's going to retail for $2,000. Why, because of the extra hardware, audio card and software to run a custom Android O/S.
MPC O.G. 1:54 AM - 9 December, 2017
I'm going to say what I always say in these debates. If it was cheaply made, with no moving parts, and DJ Suchandsuch used it, and it had Pioneer on it, snd it cost $2,200 for one of them you'd be pawning your dead grandmother's wedding ring to get TWO of them.
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:45 AM - 9 December, 2017
It's an OSA that cost 800 a pop.

800 a pair is the sweet spot to me.

If it comes out to be buggy or something at 1600 a pair MSRP the complaint thread will be as long the Nile.

It's not like it's some new/ground breaking technology or something

The 3900 and Numarks already had the motorised jogs.

Must be the Serato Tax
AKIEM 5:17 AM - 10 December, 2017
The TWELVE has been asked for from Rane exactly as is for years. Rane couldn't do it then, now 'they' can. The price is the price.

Instant doubles ftw, so I only need one. I might skip the 72 because the 57 is fine. I might get a second 12 for studio, def never lugging two around regularly.
lvmez 3:04 PM - 10 December, 2017
Everyone is talking about the price. Rane is still cheaper than Pioneer products and they hold there value a lot more.

The Seventy Two can probably be had for $1600 and the Twelve for $600.

I will be getting one Twelve. That's all you need.
Chino 5:38 PM - 10 December, 2017
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The Seventy Two can probably be had for $1600 and the Twelve for $600.


I hope your right. I contacted my local RANE dealer. He was in touch with his RANE rep who said that the RANE 12 & 72 will not be out until mid March - early April. A lot can change regarding price & features during that time.

I definitely trust my Rane dealer over the dates that are being posted on line by retailers. They will say/do anything for a pre-order!
lvmez 9:50 PM - 10 December, 2017
March/ April????????

That will drive consumers crazy!! That's bad news.
dj_soo 10:00 PM - 10 December, 2017
Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked
MPC O.G. 11:15 PM - 10 December, 2017
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March/ April????????

That will drive consumers crazy!! That's bad news.

Waiting for the next version of Serato to be finalized.
Chino 2:04 PM - 11 December, 2017
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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

+1
WarpNote 3:20 PM - 11 December, 2017
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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked

This!
Illiment 3:35 PM - 11 December, 2017
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Rather they get it right than put it out half-baked



not mad at that. Also gives time to stack them rupees (corny zelda botw reference)
THEE_Dj 5:44 PM - 11 December, 2017
You don't need the 72 SPECIFICALLY with the 12. BUT, notice the 72 doesn't have audio out. It's ONLY USB(unless there are audio outs on the bottom like actual 1200's). So that means you'd need a serato enabled mixer to get any audio output to a mixer OR an audio box. So you're looking at what....minimum of $500 for the least expensive serato mixer being the S3 or about the same for a Denon DS1 and a decent mixer. So you're still at $1300 for ONE 12 and a way to get audio out from serato. You want me to pay $800 for a SINGLE Rane 12.....then on top of that you're pigeon holing me into spending at least another $500 for a mixer. Which at $1300 I, again, might as well get the NS7iii.

You get what I'm saying? Yes....alone it's like "oh, I can get one of these and a $250 mixer and be SET". Then you realize....wait.....no I can't....I'm going to have to spend at least another $500 regardless. Even if you get a used sixty-one you're still looking at about $600. Which....doesn't have any FX built in. Is only a 2 channel mixer. No cue points.....at that price, you're better off getting the Mixars Duo or the S3.
DJ Tecniq 8:07 PM - 11 December, 2017
Jesus i thought i stopped tracking this thread. It won’t be out till late next year so I’m tired of hearing about it.
Mr. Goodkat 8:12 PM - 11 December, 2017
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You don't need the 72 SPECIFICALLY with the 12. BUT, notice the 72 doesn't have audio out. It's ONLY USB(unless there are audio outs on the bottom like actual 1200's). So that means you'd need a serato enabled mixer to get any audio output to a mixer OR an audio box. So you're looking at what....minimum of $500 for the least expensive serato mixer being the S3 or about the same for a Denon DS1 and a decent mixer. So you're still at $1300 for ONE 12 and a way to get audio out from serato. You want me to pay $800 for a SINGLE Rane 12.....then on top of that you're pigeon holing me into spending at least another $500 for a mixer. Which at $1300 I, again, might as well get the NS7iii.

You get what I'm saying? Yes....alone it's like "oh, I can get one of these and a $250 mixer and be SET". Then you realize....wait.....no I can't....I'm going to have to spend at least another $500 regardless. Even if you get a used sixty-one you're still looking at about $600. Which....doesn't have any FX built in. Is only a 2 channel mixer. No cue points.....at that price, you're better off getting the Mixars Duo or the S3.


prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about
THEE_Dj 8:48 PM - 11 December, 2017
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prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about


No I agree, you can connect them via usb. Yes. But where does the audio from your computer then go out? Unless you're using an audio box or have a serato enabled mixer with USB audio out, your audio will play through your speakers on your laptop. You get what I'm saying?
popnwave 9:13 PM - 11 December, 2017
What do you mean it doesn't have audio out? It has all the normal audio outputs of mixers in that range...

www.agiprodj.com

Main out XLRs, booth in 1/4" and RCA the rest of the way...
Djkom 9:21 PM - 11 December, 2017
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What do you mean it doesn't have audio out? It has all the normal audio outputs of mixers in that range...

www.agiprodj.com

Main out XLRs, booth in 1/4" and RCA the rest of the way...


It was about the Rane 12" ;-)
popnwave 9:22 PM - 11 December, 2017
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It was about the Rane 12" ;-)


Gotcha, I figured that was assumed since there's no sound to output from it, lol..
Rebelguy 11:32 PM - 11 December, 2017
Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.
djcrap 3:21 AM - 12 December, 2017
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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.

Probably the op wants to use it with an sl4
dj_soo 6:28 AM - 12 December, 2017
it won't even output timecode - it'll just send midi signals to the computer.
Rebelguy 4:26 PM - 12 December, 2017
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it won't even output timecode - it'll just send midi signals to the computer.


That’s what I was originally going to say but my brain was in processing correctly when I typed my response.
THEE_Dj 5:56 PM - 12 December, 2017
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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.


someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.
THEE_Dj 6:02 PM - 12 December, 2017
In my post earlier I talked about how these are watered down versions of the V7/S3700/SC3900/NS7(1, 2, and 3) for a higher price. (I'm talking as far as features, we're not talking build quality which we don't know yet, Rane has never made a turntable. Mixers yes. But not turntables. Not even controllers). I mentioned them not being worth the money since you'd have to buy one of these AND the 72.

Several have mentioned (both in response to my post and higher up in the post) that you don't need the 72. I'm pointing out that yes, you don't need a 72, but you WILL need a serato enabled MIDI mixer OR a SL box and a standard mixer (which together will run you the same price). Furthering my point of the cost vs features argument I was making. These have no audio out which REQUIRES you to have a midi mixer
CMOS 6:34 PM - 12 December, 2017
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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.


someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.


You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.
Mr. Goodkat 8:33 PM - 12 December, 2017
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prob just have to connect them thru your computer instead of going thru the 72, not saying im right, but there are other ways to do what you are talking about


No I agree, you can connect them via usb. Yes. But where does the audio from your computer then go out? Unless you're using an audio box or have a serato enabled mixer with USB audio out, your audio will play through your speakers on your laptop. You get what I'm saying?


wut.are.u.taking.about.
THEE_Dj 9:27 PM - 12 December, 2017
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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.


someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.


You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.


But....it IS a controller. And the price point/usability is awfully high. Here's what I'm saying. Right now, you can take 1 V7, plug the USB into your computer, plug the audio outs into ANY mixer (could be a $99 stanton mixer) and control Serato. Even brand new, that setup would cost you $900. Not cheap. Same thing with the S3700/SC3900 by Denon. With the Twelve, you pay $800 for it, then you HAVE to pay at MINIMUM another $300 for an Audio box if you get the Denon one, THEN even if you get a $99 mixer, your total price ends up being $1200 for SIGNIFICANTLY less usability.

Anyone I know who has 1200's says they would prefer to have 2 (1 is just never a good idea. never know what can happen. 1 may not want to connect properly, may have issues with the motor, etc). So, say you have a mabook air. You can't even hook 2 up with a SL box or Serato enabled mixer without a USB Hub. You'd need to use both USB ports for the 12's then get a USB HUB to use for your SL box or your midi enabled mixer. With the V7's you only needed 1 and didn't even need a serato enabled mixer because the V7 activates serato AND has audio out. Then you'd still have 1 USB port free.

Bottom line is this: For $800, there's no way they can convince me they couldn't add NORMAL features that come on ANY controller (because again...that's what this is) even if it was just RCA outs. Not when Numark has done it. Denon has done it. Theres no reason RANE couldn't have. RCA outs so I could use ANY mixer and not be forced to use a Serato enabled mixer. MINIMUM they could have added that.
Mr. Goodkat 10:20 PM - 12 December, 2017
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Why would you need Audio out? It’s not a media player. It’s a controller. All it will output is timecode.


someone mentioned not needing the 72 to use these. I was saying that while it's true, you still need a serato enabled mixer to output audio if you don't plan on plugging these into a 72.


You already need the mixer or SL box now with turntables, which the twelves are looking to replace. This isnt a controller replacement.


But....it IS a controller. And the price point/usability is awfully high. Here's what I'm saying. Right now, you can take 1 V7, plug the USB into your computer, plug the audio outs into ANY mixer (could be a $99 stanton mixer) and control Serato. Even brand new, that setup would cost you $900. Not cheap. Same thing with the S3700/SC3900 by Denon. With the Twelve, you pay $800 for it, then you HAVE to pay at MINIMUM another $300 for an Audio box if you get the Denon one, THEN even if you get a $99 mixer, your total price ends up being $1200 for SIGNIFICANTLY less usability.

Anyone I know who has 1200's says they would prefer to have 2 (1 is just never a good idea. never know what can happen. 1 may not want to connect properly, may have issues with the motor, etc). So, say you have a mabook air. You can't even hook 2 up with a SL box or Serato enabled mixer without a USB Hub. You'd need to use both USB ports for the 12's then get a USB HUB to use for your SL box or your midi enabled mixer. With the V7's you only needed 1 and didn't even need a serato enabled mixer because the V7 activates serato AND has audio out. Then you'd still have 1 USB port free.

Bottom line is this: For $800, there's no way they can convince me they couldn't add NORMAL features that come on ANY controller (because again...that's what this is) even if it was just RCA outs. Not when Numark has done it. Denon has done it. Theres no reason RANE couldn't have. RCA outs so I could use ANY mixer and not be forced to use a Serato enabled mixer. MINIMUM they could have added that.


just to be clear, your understanding of what goes on inside of a serato based system is about 82.3434 wrong but basically all wrong.
Mr. Goodkat 10:21 PM - 12 December, 2017
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82.3434%
dj_soo 10:26 PM - 12 December, 2017
The
base chassis for the Twelve is more than likely a a denon vl12 for the motor and platter so it's not like Rane is developing a turntable from scratch with no previous experience.

I think the biggest problem with the V7 was that you couldn't hook it up to a 62 or s9 and use the mixer as the main sound card so until serato adds that functionality into the software (which doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon), you'd come across the same problem with the Twelve.

I'm still waiting to see if the $800 is msrp or retail as $600 ea would probably be a bit more reasonable (although still pricey for a closed-to-one software midi controller) but who knows?


Maybe we'll see them open it up to napping on other software or see a mixer with the build in standalone ability of an sc5000 that will be compatible with the Twelves?

I'n happy with my sc3900s as of now so I don't see a need to get the Twelves, but I'm still hoping they get widespread use and end up being installed at clubs and festivals.
Mr. Goodkat 10:34 PM - 12 December, 2017
i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?
Mr. Goodkat 10:34 PM - 12 December, 2017
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but does it realistic at all?


is it realistic at all
dj_soo 3:24 AM - 13 December, 2017
Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the feel.

I do agree this is a bit of a risk being a one-platform piece of gear.
Mr. Goodkat 5:30 AM - 13 December, 2017
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Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the feel.

I do agree this is a bit of a risk being a one-platform piece of gear.


not trying to be a jerk, but think about how many didnt switch. i mean how many ppl have you seen switch to tts?

100s or maybe 3-4
dj_soo 5:32 AM - 13 December, 2017
sure, it's all just anecdotal, but compared to even 3 or 4 years ago, there seems like there's more interest in spinning platters just from my time on dj n00b forums.

Whether it's significant or not is up for debate.
Mr. Goodkat 9:46 AM - 13 December, 2017
kinda reminds me of the vinyl thing, selling more than 10 yrs ago but still only 5% of the market
Robbie O 11:47 AM - 13 December, 2017
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Actually, I've seen more and more newer guys who have completely been raised on controllers and CDJs moving more towards turntables and DVS because they prefer the fell.


I’ve done this whole thing in reverse. I started on virtual Dj about 10 years ago, serato itch Ns7 about 7 years ago. Switch to turntables year and a half ago.
With the controllers, there is a ceiling that you hit at some point and it gets boring.
I think with the entry to Dj being so low, most start with where the investment is the least. But the serious ones continue to work up the ladder or perfect their controller.
djcrap 12:46 PM - 13 December, 2017
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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?


No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?
Taipanic 4:10 PM - 13 December, 2017
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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?


No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?


All of which has been available since the Denon HS5500s (2007) and continued (and improved upon (mostly)), with the 3700 & 3900. Those decks had spinning platters, ability to use timecode or play track on their own, built in controls for looping, cues, plus on board FX. If Denon's new flagship deck had spinning platters, I would of justified the additional cost & lack of conformity at clubs instead of getting the XDJ1000s I just picked up.
I think these new controllers are cool but not sure I would drop the coin with them being so limited in usability. Watch, Pioneer will come out with a crappier, even more expensive version in a year or two that will read Rekordbox drives and they'll be all the rage...
popnwave 4:22 PM - 13 December, 2017
I really wanted to love the 3900s, the hybrid mode just didn't cut it. Had they been HID with SSL I would have ridden those into the sunset.

Not sure who is to blame for that, but the TWELVE seems to be the first product that hits all of my wants/needs when it comes to compromise between TTs and a pure controller.
Mr. Goodkat 5:24 PM - 13 December, 2017
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i dont really see why a generation of ppl that have mainly(id say 75%) have grown into djs WITWHOUT tts would want to switch from controllers(cheaper) or cdjs(more compatibity-easier to find - already installed as a standard).

for vinyl guy that use dvs and records this is total no.

im just not seeing it other than a small run. this is a great concept in theory, and theyre cool, like i personally want one, but does it realistic at all?


No more dealing with

Dusty needles
Bass forcing you to raise turntables
Warped vinyls in the sun
Shaky unstable stage on concerts
Expense of new needles
Expense of new cv
Wind gust blowing cv of tts on boat parties
No more sticker drifting

And you still say what?


All of which has been available since the Denon HS5500s (2007) and continued (and improved upon (mostly)), with the 3700 & 3900. Those decks had spinning platters, ability to use timecode or play track on their own, built in controls for looping, cues, plus on board FX. If Denon's new flagship deck had spinning platters, I would of justified the additional cost & lack of conformity at clubs instead of getting the XDJ1000s I just picked up.
I think these new controllers are cool but not sure I would drop the coin with them being so limited in usability. Watch, Pioneer will come out with a crappier, even more expensive version in a year or two that will read Rekordbox drives and they'll be all the rage...


exactly. its not that they arent a good idea or a great concept but it has been done before.

And when those came out (the numark HDX, the Denons, or the Numark NS series) there were less options than there are now as far as turntables, cd players, and controllers.

Many people that use turntables for dvs also have CDJS around and in certain circumstances they have people that are also using vinyl. Of course you could have some twelves and some 1200s(or other turntable) but then what about if you have a cdj guy? Your gonna have 3 decks on each side set up? It just doesnt make sense other than a personal setup for a mobile dj.

If it were pioneer, i might give it a chance of making it, but they arent. Not because i like pioneer(havent owned any pioneer products in 2yrs) but they have a larger market share and better marketing team that is better funded.
dj_soo 8:24 PM - 13 December, 2017
Yes this is old tech, but I think timing matters as well.

The hdx/cdx had lots of issues in build as did the sl-dz1000s and came out before there was a standard digital format. DVS also was just hitting it's stride so it seemed wholely unneccesary to spend a bunch on new players when everyone still had their techs and clubs still actually gave a shit about maintaining their techs.

The denon decks were good pieces of hardware, but had issues with standalone playback and Engine was a steaming pile of crap. They also appeared just as pioneer was getting a dominant marketshare. The V7s were cool, but forced users to bypass their mixers in order to use serato and still remains the only module hid controller with spinning platters.

Those also came out just as controllers just started to really gain traction so new djs were going to cheap option while people who wanted to stick to spinning platters just kept using their turntables.

We're at a point where everyone's techs are 6 or 7 years older, club decks have gone through more wear and tear, and many don't bother to maintain them. The emphasis on massive bass in modern music and the optimal setup of sub stacks immediately below or in front of stages is leading to more problematic stage setups is also making turntable use more and more problematic.

Add to that the rising cost of needles and timecode plates and maybe this has a chance to succeed.

I do think they really should be looking at universal compatibility or at least compatibility with traktor (although I guess that's up to NI). Rekordbox too, but I doubt that'll ever happen.
Mr. Goodkat 11:26 PM - 13 December, 2017
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Yes this is old tech, but I think timing matters as well.

The hdx/cdx had lots of issues in build as did the sl-dz1000s and came out before there was a standard digital format. DVS also was just hitting it's stride so it seemed wholely unneccesary to spend a bunch on new players when everyone still had their techs and clubs still actually gave a shit about maintaining their techs.

The denon decks were good pieces of hardware, but had issues with standalone playback and Engine was a steaming pile of crap. They also appeared just as pioneer was getting a dominant marketshare. The V7s were cool, but forced users to bypass their mixers in order to use serato and still remains the only module hid controller with spinning platters.

Those also came out just as controllers just started to really gain traction so new djs were going to cheap option while people who wanted to stick to spinning platters just kept using their turntables.

We're at a point where everyone's techs are 6 or 7 years older, club decks have gone through more wear and tear, and many don't bother to maintain them. The emphasis on massive bass in modern music and the optimal setup of sub stacks immediately below or in front of stages is leading to more problematic stage setups is also making turntable use more and more problematic.

Add to that the rising cost of needles and timecode plates and maybe this has a chance to succeed.

I do think they really should be looking at universal compatibility or at least compatibility with traktor (although I guess that's up to NI). Rekordbox too, but I doubt that'll ever happen.


true and well reasoned.

if universal compatibility was gonna be implemented, i'd have a lot more confidence in their future success. Id say its about 50/50 right now at best.
dj_soo 11:38 PM - 13 December, 2017
I feel like the Turntablist scene and hip hop djs are going to embrace the Twelves. Whether that means that it's enough of a adoption rate to make things work is another story, but I could see the battle scene switching to these wholesale.
Mr. Goodkat 11:44 PM - 13 December, 2017
i think it would be hard to get turntablists off turntables.

with the portablist scene getting big and a lot of those guys being record guys still scratching small run 7'' records it seems like a stretch. Its a traditionalist type scene and i dont see those guys buying into it just on the 'keep it real' type mentality.
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:38 AM - 14 December, 2017
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$600 ea would probably be a bit more reasonable (although still pricey for a closed-to-one software midi controller)


$1200 a pair has a nice ring to it.
THEE_Dj 3:13 PM - 14 December, 2017
It's like people either get completely what I'm saying or they miss the whole point completely lol

My argument is NOT whether they'll be any good. My argument is NOT whether they'll "feel" like real 1200's

My argument is that for the price.....the PRICE......they went EXTREMELY minimalist on features. To not even have RCA's?

I too did it backwards. Started on Virtual DJ with a Denon MC6000. Then moved to a Behringer NOX202 with 2 Denon DN-S3700s and an SL2. Now, I use an NS7 or Turntables depending on the gig. Had these been available years ago, i MAY have considered purchasing them.....MAY....but to release these now....after we've had Numark and Denon make 2 iterations of similar hardware.....that offers VASTLY more features......and you cuoldn't even include RCA out?! That's a hard sell at $1900 for a pair. Like it was stated above. $1200 for a pair would be a sweet spot for these in my opinion. I would be willing to consider forgoing some features to get something that is basically a 1200 without a needle. But at $1600 for the pair? that's too high.
AKIEM 4:32 PM - 14 December, 2017
I'm fine with no RCA/audio. It's good that USB will be dedicated midi instead of both midi and audio. Maybe they add audio in the future.

A USB hub on the deck would be good for plugging in extra midi toys and make it standardisable too.
dj_spark 4:45 PM - 14 December, 2017
I don't understand the issue with the V7 "forcing" people to not use their soundcard.

You can use the V7 with any mixer that have midi pad (DJM T1, NI Z2, etc). If you want to use it with a rane mixer, simply disable the soundcard of the mixer into your OS.

You're making simple things like that so huge for nothing. The V7 is still the best controler of this specie : unlock Serato, integrated soundcard, midi control.

The only bad point is that it doesn't work that good out of Serato software.

If someone is doing the V7 or V10 or a Twelve with a soundcard that can unlock Serato and be used with any software including the rotating plater, it will be the absolute king of all the controler/deck/turntable.
skinnyguy 6:25 PM - 14 December, 2017
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oh, i'm pretty sure the vinyl on the Twelve will still warp in the sun.
Mr. Goodkat 7:10 PM - 14 December, 2017
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They're like turntables w control vinyl that make the pink noise sound(or whatever noise it is). The sound comes from the sound card(serato box) or mixer(w sound card), not the midi controller. other wise they would be even more expensive.

New products tend to cost more because the initial cost of 1st time tooling and manufacturing ala the technics 1200s.
AKIEM 7:18 PM - 14 December, 2017
Yup. I could see that as later development if there is enough want. But that would def add to the price. If you already have an SDJ mixer or box, that extra cost would be expensive for no reason - less units sold.
THEE_Dj 8:52 PM - 14 December, 2017
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They're like turntables w control vinyl that make the pink noise sound(or whatever noise it is). The sound comes from the sound card(serato box) or mixer(w sound card), not the midi controller. other wise they would be even more expensive.

New products tend to cost more because the initial cost of 1st time tooling and manufacturing ala the technics 1200s.


Would they have to cost more? The V7's included all of that...sound card build in....fx controls.....crate controls.......bleep......tons of extra featues....for the exact same price. The Denon 3900's did all that......PLUS added the ability to play from CD's or a USB flash drive AND added a digital display....for only $100 more.

Yes the V7's are only 7" platters so I can get them costing less potentially due to needing less material. But the fact that the difference in price between the 7" V7 and the 9" platter on the 3900's is only $100....and the 3900's include even more features......that tells me that they dont HAVE to be $800 for what they are and what they do. I'd be hard pressed to believe that they cost more to manufacture than the 3900's especially considering you're adding a sound card, USB input, a CD player, and a digital display.
popnwave 9:46 PM - 14 December, 2017
You people trying to rationalize the cost compared to those dumb 3900s are chuckleheads. Denon could have made them great with HID, that lame hybdrid mode appealed to a few of you but it was hot garbage. I don't want TIME CONTROL crap unless I am on true TTs.

It's never as tight, I don't want to worry about scopes, it's almost 2018, stop with the worship of old hardware that couldn't do it!
Mr. Goodkat 10:43 PM - 14 December, 2017
im seeing an original msrp at 999 for the V7, dj tech tools says 799.

That was in late 2010.

www.cnet.com

djtechtools.com
AKIEM 3:09 AM - 15 December, 2017
yup



Maybe they should just make a feather weight 7" static version with everything on it for $299.99

Ranelight
Mr. Goodkat 4:16 AM - 15 December, 2017
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yup



Maybe they should just make a feather weight 7" static version with everything on it for $299.99

Ranelight


that'd actually makes the most sense, then you have cd sized moving platters which would have to be bit cheaper. the footprint would/could be the same size as a CDJ
dj_soo 4:58 AM - 15 December, 2017
I'd prefer a 10"
AKIEM 5:50 AM - 15 December, 2017
I forgot make it out of plastic, I was joking. sigh.
THEE_Dj 1:42 PM - 15 December, 2017
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im seeing an original msrp at 999 for the V7, dj tech tools says 799.

That was in late 2010.

www.cnet.com

djtechtools.com



I saw list price of $799 as well from multiple sites where is where i'm getting the price comparison. I never used the 3900s but i did use the 3700s and i LOVED them. I liked them more than the V7/NS7. My biggest gripe with the 3700s was that the vinyl on the platter had "give" in the sense of feeling like the spindle hole wasn't tight. I liked Hybrid MIDI better honestly.

That said...what does any of that have to do with the Twelve being over priced at $799? lol
Robbie O 2:31 PM - 15 December, 2017
Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying
djcrap 3:23 PM - 15 December, 2017
I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.
THEE_Dj 3:54 PM - 15 December, 2017
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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying


The NS7 and NS7II has the same MSRP and they were released...what.....5 years apart right? like 08 and 2013 right? may have been 09 and 2014...something like that. I'm just saying. lol
THEE_Dj 3:59 PM - 15 December, 2017
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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.


Didn't they use a timecode signal and were't HID right? If thats the case, I'd be willing to bet the USB in is for HID and probably has some level of "authentication" to keep you from using OTHER midi controllers (like the V7's lol) with it.
Robbie O 5:09 PM - 15 December, 2017
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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying


The NS7 and NS7II has the same MSRP and they were released...what.....5 years apart right? like 08 and 2013 right? may have been 09 and 2014...something like that. I'm just saying. lol


I'm pretty sure the NS7 and NS7II were not the same STREET price. But to be more exact, prices on the same gear but diff versions either stay flat or increase (if new features) over time, at a minimum due to inflation. Honestly, who cares about MSRP? Arguing over this silly, street price is king.

Sounds like you dont think the twelve MRSP controller is worth it?.... move along. wait for the next one.... shoot get a V7 problem solved. A single controller isn't for everyone. Remember the V7 is discountinued for rea$on
Mr. Goodkat 5:22 PM - 15 December, 2017
this is like a talking to a flat earther
dj_soo 5:42 PM - 15 December, 2017
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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.


It's a hub - it'll work like any usb hub. The proprietary nature of the 72 and Twelves is the ability to switch between laptops along with the decks whereas it might cause issues for other midi devices.
Rebelguy 5:58 PM - 15 December, 2017
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Bruv... prices usually go up... not down as years go by.
Just saying


Except when promoters tell us what they want to pay for DJs. SMH.
Chino 10:56 PM - 15 December, 2017
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I wonder what would happen if you plugged the denon 3900s USB puts into the rane 72 USB inputs meant for the twelves.


I'm gonna try this once I get the 72. If it works I will keep my 3900s for mobile gigs.
dj_soo 11:20 PM - 15 December, 2017
it will work - devs have already confirmed it (somewhere, need to find the thread).

The only thing that might be problematic is if you're using two laptops as hot-switching midi devices in serato isn't the best - but it's supposed to work fine with the twelves.
dj_spark 2:57 PM - 16 December, 2017
The usb inputs of the 72 are not meant for Twelves only, they are generic usb hub that's it.
AKIEM 3:17 PM - 16 December, 2017
Hope they add a hub to the Twelve since it can also be plugged straight to the laptop.
dj_soo 6:55 PM - 16 December, 2017
Making the hub on the 72 only work with Twelves would be a monumentally stupid decision. Feels like something pioneer would try to pull...
dj_soo 11:17 PM - 16 December, 2017
I honestly think we might be seeing a standalone mixer from rane sooner or later that's compatible with the Twelves.

The sc5000 processor can already handle 2 discrete audio sources so it would just be a matter of slotting one into a mixer, routing audio to the channels, reading the hid signals from the Twelves and programming it to work with the mixer controls. The SC5000 controls are mostly available on the 72 already.

If it was also compatible with serato, all the better...
Djohn Smoke 6:47 PM - 17 December, 2017
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If this only has the features we all suspect and nothing major on top we might not see right now they shouldn´t be more than 500€ a piece.


For this price i bought real turntable like Reloop 8000s
J.J. 7:22 PM - 18 December, 2017
Unless you use real vinyl:

Twelve MIDI > Real Turntable

MIDI will give you lower latency than a NoiseMap Control Tone on Vinyl or CD.

I don't like cleaning, calibrating, ground & RCA issues & buying new needles and Control Signal Vinyl etc.

It kills me every-time I play vinyl because I know it deteriorates with every play. I'm a procrastinator so I haven't finished converting my vinyl to digital.
dj_soo 10:02 PM - 18 December, 2017
I hope they make the pitch sliders hi-res as well.
Will08272 4:51 PM - 20 December, 2017
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Unless you use real vinyl:

Twelve MIDI > Real Turntable



Im usually against any extreme take but this just makes to much sense. Im all about balance but if there were to be any kind of official count, i feel the scales would tip to the side of never having had to use vinyl while out with DVS versus the occasional use. I wont detract from those that bring up the importance of having the means to play a record if the occasion were to present itself but its the beginning of a 2.0 of sorts with the 12 and the likes.
Mr. Goodkat 9:26 PM - 20 December, 2017
its hard to say its better for a variety of reasons.

that record player, and i personally hate records, think they are overrated and very rarely buy them anymore, will still play records in 10 years.

that twelve probably wont do anything other than maybe control serato. I guess it could maybe control something else, but all or most of the current computer protocols could be completely different.

who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.
WildcardX 9:55 PM - 20 December, 2017
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who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.


Threads would have the subject, "Getting dropouts using my 2017 Macbook Pro with Rane 72 and 12"

or the Ever popular
"Can some one PLEASE get Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve to work with Scratch Live..C'mon Serato."
Mr. Goodkat 10:01 PM - 20 December, 2017
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who knows maybe we'll still be visiting the serato board in 2027 but im not seeing it.


Threads would have the subject, "Getting dropouts using my 2017 Macbook Pro with Rane 72 and 12"

or the Ever popular
"Can some one PLEASE get Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve to work with Scratch Live..C'mon Serato."


lofl
 6 10:20 PM - 20 December, 2017
The TWELVE will serve its purpose for those who have been waiting for something like it and it will be affordable to those who can afford it.

I’ll be using the Sixty-Four with it so I really only need to buy one to control four decks. Most likely I’ll end up buying two though.
Mr. Goodkat 11:07 PM - 20 December, 2017
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it will be affordable to those who can afford it.


everything is affordable for those that can afford it.

i think its a great product concept personally, but i wouldn't say its better than a turntable quite yet untill its been running well for at least 2-3 years.
 6 2:31 AM - 21 December, 2017
Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.
Illiment 7:23 PM - 21 December, 2017
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Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.


or cry about it not having features "it should have"
Aptidda 7:56 PM - 21 December, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72....


Not true, I threw my S9 in the garbage as soon as I learned of the seventy two - its gonna be the new king for sure.
 6 9:14 PM - 21 December, 2017
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Exactly. So, if you can’t afford it. Don’t buy it.


or cry about it not having features "it should have"


Yup
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:53 PM - 21 December, 2017
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I am surprised Rane has given us an actual date for the release of the Twelve and Seventy Two.

What's up with that?



not even a demo vid. Why announce it 2 months ago and not even have a demo or a solid release date yet.

Damage the competition (DJM-S9), create suspense for the new product, and see how it will be received, to forecast production numbers..

this sounds great in theory but I haven't heard not one person with an S9 say im going to trade my S9 for the 72....


Not true, I threw my S9 in the garbage as soon as I learned of the seventy two - its gonna be the new king for sure.


For something without a release date...you could be waiting for another year ya know.
Aptidda 12:10 AM - 22 December, 2017
Q1 2018 my bruddah, Q1.
BIG ROG 5:44 AM - 14 January, 2018
It's out now. Anybody got it?
popnwave 4:26 AM - 15 January, 2018
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It's out now. Anybody got it?


Who is shipping it? I see February (post NAMM) everywhere.
Herzl 1:48 PM - 16 January, 2018
Pioneer DJ introduce a new product, same month it is available und you can get it. Professional.

InMusic introduce a new Produkt. After a few delays and no official information and maybe one year later you can get it if you are lucky. Kind of dump
Logisticalstyles 2:11 PM - 16 January, 2018
That is kinda ironic. Rane used the tag line "Battle Ready" to introduce their new equipment. Yet by time these products hit the streets another battle season will have come and gone.
BIG ROG 4:04 PM - 16 January, 2018
I apologize. I saw DJ Fatfingaz with it and didn't realize that it was just a demo that he was doing on the equipment. I need better comprehension skills :-) I think it's being released in February.
ral 5:26 PM - 16 January, 2018
almost
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"Battle Ready"
lol
 6 5:27 PM - 16 January, 2018
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That is kinda ironic. Rane used the tag line "Battle Ready" to introduce their new equipment. Yet by time these products hit the streets another battle season will have come and gone.


🤔😂
Djkom 5:31 PM - 16 January, 2018
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Pioneer DJ introduce a new product, same month it is available und you can get it. Professional.

InMusic introduce a new Produkt. After a few delays and no official information and maybe one year later you can get it if you are lucky. Kind of dump


Pioneer is definitely on point on product launching!

But Regarding InMusic products I think it's rather Serato the weakest link 😅
popnwave 5:43 PM - 16 January, 2018
The new PIO controller is "OK" - you will either love or hate that display in the middle of the platters.

Still have more faith in the 72/Twelves to do what I am looking for.
Chino 5:45 PM - 16 January, 2018
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But Regarding InMusic products I think it's rather Serato the weakest link


Serato doesn't rush to put out SDJ releases just to please the masses. Serato actually performs in-depth private & public Beta testing.

InMusic Brand can lean a thing or two from Serato. inMusic has a horrible history of releasing half baked, poorly implemented software… Engine 1.5 is a "PRIME" example of that!
Chino 5:46 PM - 16 January, 2018
*learn…. now if only Serato would add an edit button to the forum! : )
Aptidda 7:16 PM - 16 January, 2018
waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:23 PM - 16 January, 2018
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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.


I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.
Aptidda 11:10 PM - 16 January, 2018
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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.


I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.


no problem, I picked up the 72 so I will provide a link with my youtube review once received.

as for the Rane 12, that's a used craigslist lowball product for me- not something I would pay anywhere new price for since my 1200's do me just fine.
WildcardX 11:11 PM - 16 January, 2018
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waaa waaaaaa. get your pre orders in and sit on your hands until serato is done. the 72 & 12 are gonna kill the game.


I wish I had the same enthusiasm and unwavering belief in the yet to be released products by the new Rane company.

Please share a review when you get your units.


His enthusiasm actually has me really hoping they don't suck even though I didn't even have that before.
Mr. Goodkat 12:54 AM - 17 January, 2018
since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could
Herzl 12:16 PM - 17 January, 2018
My Dealer told me new date is 28. april (Germany) 😒
popnwave 4:01 PM - 17 January, 2018
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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could


I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.
Mr. Goodkat 6:50 PM - 17 January, 2018
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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could


I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.


There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live
DJ Guayo 11:57 PM - 17 January, 2018
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since el cap and serato dj ive come never to expect good things with new releases from Serato or Apple. not sure how anyone could


I have no new issues with new/beta SDJ releases, it's just changes to the Apple hardware and OS that feel limiting.


There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live


For me it's been using the Rane 62 with SDJ. It feels laggy and I always seem to have an issue in the middle of a set. I've used SDJ with the S9 and SX without issues. I also recently updated to Yosemite.
DJ Guayo 11:58 PM - 17 January, 2018
Another note, I'm hoping this Rane 72 will work with Yosemite. I have a feeling it could go either way.
popnwave 12:14 AM - 18 January, 2018
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Another note, I'm hoping this Rane 72 will work with Yosemite. I have a feeling it could go either way.


Fingers crossed that it does.. I have no desire to go past Yosemite until forced or I stop seeing problems with High Sierra and audio software.
dj_spark 10:13 AM - 18 January, 2018
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There were a couple bum releases in the serato dj even though it worked. Like when you couldnt midi map certain things or before they put the master volume back. It did work for me but until about 1.9(ish) there were constant bugs that were little but not really expected from a professional release used for live performance i.e. if theres a problem in photoshop, you can work around it before you render or sent to client, with SDJ if it messes up live, its live

Yes, since the Pulselocker/end of Core2Duo I have issues with SDJ.
The worst part is the midi mapping that keep adding code into your created files (so you need to lock them in read only mode), and also the pitch not responding some times (also happend to some friends in timecode mode).

The bug with the pitch is that the value will change on the screen, the waveform will magnify or reduce themselves according to the pitch, but the sound will not vary in speed, nor in key (even without any master tempo or pitch & time).

You can move the fader like you want, the sound get untouched in any way.
When this happened, relauching SDJ is not enough, you need to reboot computer. Great !

So I'm now stuck with 1.9.7 that is the more stable for me but still have issues with the midi.
VP 6:54 AM - 30 January, 2018
how sure are you guys, or where are you guys getting from, that the twelve has no sticker drift? based on what?
if the twelve has sticker drift or can develop sticker drift with wear it's dead on arrival. completely dead and done and will need a redesign.
someone pointed out that the v7 has no sticker drift. if the twelve is built from similar tech then it will be fine. but sticker drift will be absolutely unacceptable. no one at namm tested for sticker drift... slow and fast movements back and forth.
dj_spark 9:19 AM - 30 January, 2018
and for a very long time, not just 1 or 2 min.
Aptidda 4:52 PM - 30 January, 2018
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how sure are you guys, or where are you guys getting from, that the twelve has no sticker drift? based on what?
if the twelve has sticker drift or can develop sticker drift with wear it's dead on arrival. completely dead and done and will need a redesign.
someone pointed out that the v7 has no sticker drift. if the twelve is built from similar tech then it will be fine. but sticker drift will be absolutely unacceptable. no one at namm tested for sticker drift... slow and fast movements back and forth.


Guaranteed they used the exact same tech as in the V7, same number of ticks of resolution and the center spindle thing that attaches to the vinyl is identical to what was on the V7, I use to own one.
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:29 PM - 30 January, 2018
so twice as much for a controller that does less? At least the V7 was a dongle for the program.
dj_soo 10:37 PM - 30 January, 2018
one of the complaints about the V7s was that you couldn't just use them as controllers and bypass the sound card in the deck, so if you had a 62 or something, you had to bypass the sound card in the 62 and just use the V7s serato interface. Of course, this could have been fixed with a software update that allowed you to select which sound card to use when both were plugged into a laptop (something that serato still doesn't do).

Believe the V7 was the same price when it first released at $799 (which is probably more when adjusted for inflation).
dj_spark 8:54 AM - 31 January, 2018
You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...
Chino 3:12 PM - 31 January, 2018
^^^ According to the spec sheet…

The Rane 72 has "Analog inputs for phono and CD sources" so it SHOULD be able to operate as a normal analog standalone mixer.

Maybe someone from Rane or Serato can confirm this?
Gio Alex 3:38 PM - 31 January, 2018
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^^^ According to the spec sheet…

The Rane 72 has "Analog inputs for phono and CD sources" so it SHOULD be able to operate as a normal analog standalone mixer.

Maybe someone from Rane or Serato can confirm this?


Why do people question this? I have yet to see a digital or dvs mixer you couldn't use as a mixer (vinyl, line in,cd). It's still a mixer regardless if you want to use serato or not.
J.J. 5:44 PM - 31 January, 2018
What mixer was the Twelve tone arm mod Phono at NAMM plugged into? Of course it works as a analog mixer. Why is this even questioned?
Gio Alex 5:54 PM - 31 January, 2018
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Why is this even questioned?


Same thing I said. Somehow people don't get how mixers work.
AKIEM 6:11 PM - 31 January, 2018
I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?
Gio Alex 6:18 PM - 31 January, 2018
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I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?


I would imagine the mains would be, but are you saying booth too? Where'd you hear this?
popnwave 6:24 PM - 31 January, 2018
ahahahahaha
Aptidda 6:36 PM - 31 January, 2018
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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...


your an idiot
Gio Alex 6:41 PM - 31 January, 2018
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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...


your an idiot


LMAO
AKIEM 7:03 PM - 31 January, 2018
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I heard it was going to be mono only, is that true?


I would imagine the mains would be, but are you saying booth too? Where'd you hear this?


Same place I heard the fader is just a click mute switch.

I need answers, Rane.
dj_spark 8:08 PM - 31 January, 2018
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one of the complaints about the V7s was that you couldn't just use them as controllers and bypass the sound card in the deck, so if you had a 62 or something, you had to bypass the sound card in the 62 and just use the V7s serato interface.

I have asked because of this...

I don't understand why you can't use 2 soundcards with a software. People are doing this since decades...
dj_spark 8:08 PM - 31 January, 2018
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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...


your an idiot

You sound like a wise and smart... ass !
Gio Alex 9:08 PM - 31 January, 2018
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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...


your an idiot

You sound like a wise and smart... ass !


Alright, let's take a step back. I think the first thing that needs to be pointed out is the comparison of the V7 decks and the Rane Twelve decks.

I think the one thing that the V7 has in common is that the both have motorized platters. But that's where you should cut off the similarities.

Think of the V7 is a whole controller with a sound card minus a mixer. It's very unique. There's really nothing like it. It has the Serato license (originally Itch) in it.

The Twelve on the other hand is more comparable to a midi controller, however it requires the proprietary software (for the time being) in order to use it- sort of like what Akai APC 40 did. There's no soundcard built in.
Gio Alex 9:21 PM - 31 January, 2018
Looking back, V7s are pretty dope. Perfect mobile solution. Maybe I'll scoop a pair. Any complaints about V7s?
dj_soo 10:25 PM - 31 January, 2018
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You can't use a Rane mixer in simple audio mode ? As a standalone...


It does, but if you were to use v7s with an S9, you couldn't really use the pad functions the way they were designed to be used and would have to map it yourself using serato's limited mapping system.
dj_spark 11:17 PM - 31 January, 2018
I own a V7 and you can remap anything beside them (DJM T1, Reloop Neon, Pioneer SP1) but I don't know what is so specific about the features of the S9 you can't remap on something else.
There is a little hack to do with Serato accessories and then you can remap them as anything midi.

V7 is perfect on mobile use, and for one-deck mixing that's why I was looking at the Twelve, but I would then loose soundcard and dongle.
DJ Barticus 12:22 AM - 3 February, 2018
any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.
Aptidda 12:28 AM - 3 February, 2018
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any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.


hopefully it fits in your average TT case.
Chino 12:37 AM - 3 February, 2018
Check out his NAMM vid. Skip to 8:17 into the vid. Pro X has a new case that MAYBE will fit…

Watchwww.youtube.com

This is great for DJs who only want to gig with one Twelve.
DJ Barticus 10:02 PM - 3 February, 2018
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any word on flight cases for the twelves? preferably something slightly shorter than a turntable case.


hopefully it fits in your average TT case.


they should fit, but with them being slightly smaller it would be nice to put them in a slightly smaller flight case
BIG ROG 5:39 AM - 4 February, 2018
Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!
dj_soo 5:47 AM - 4 February, 2018
Maybe you should check the 3+ phase threads that are already around.
DJ Unique 10:51 AM - 4 February, 2018
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Maybe you should check the 3+ phase threads that are already around.

Yep...
LOL
popnwave 7:17 PM - 4 February, 2018
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Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!


Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.
popnwave 7:17 PM - 4 February, 2018
out = our
BIG ROG 8:43 PM - 4 February, 2018
Twelves are TTs... just a hybrid
Illiment 3:23 PM - 26 February, 2018
anyone get their hands on them yet?
THEE_Dj 4:53 PM - 26 February, 2018
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Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!


Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.


Honestly, what benefit would you have of getting the TWELVE over those dongle things. The only potential benefits I see are cue points and the ability to control multiple decks with one. Audio would still be digital. Heat would have no effect on them since you're not using the needle. And I don't think the 12's weigh much less than the 1200's.

I still haven't seen anyone explain why these are worth $1600 for the paid when you STILL need either an SL box or a Serato enabled mixer to use these puppies. They're just official serato accessories. AND.....they can't be used without serato (as far as we know).

Yes, a single NExus is 2k...but can be used with Traktor, VDJ, Rekordbox, A USB drive, AND with just CD'd if one wanted to do it that way. Same for all the other Accesories that are controllers. If what we're hearing holds true and these can only be used with serato....then that's a LOT of money for something that can be used with ONE application and ONLY offers midi audio output.
popnwave 5:00 PM - 26 February, 2018
Why can't you use the TWELVES with any of those either? They are just HID controller tanks, super appealing to folks who want a modular setup and none of the environmental quirks of turntables.
dj_spark 6:29 PM - 26 February, 2018
Because we have rarely see other editors doing a specific development for a rotating decks that is supposed to be used with an other software.
- Numark NS7
- Numark V7
- Denon 3700/3900 (that's why they did the hybrid mode)
- Stanton SCS1D

Technically it can be done, it's just a matter of protocols and some code. IRL, only VDJ is doing it for the sake of catching user. All the other editors will ask the manufacturers to pay for that exclusive coding, what manufacturers don't agree with because it already work with the intended application.
thorissr 7:12 PM - 26 February, 2018
I noticed today that the 72/12 release date has been pushed back to the end of March now. I'm wondering if these puppies will ever see the light of day.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:19 PM - 26 February, 2018
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Alright everybody............ I'm really starting to bug out about something I just saw. THIS IS NO JOKE.... The Rane 12 may be obsolete even before it's released!!! I just saw something that was at NAMM that's called the Phase MWM. You put it on top of your record or Control vinyl or your CDJ and you never have to use a needle or cartridge or headshell again. It's not scheduled to come out until this spring or summer so I'm going to wait until I see a number of DJ's with it before I invest in it. Check it out!


Totally different groups of people being addressed here. Most of us looking at TWELVES don't want to bring out TTs back out.


Honestly, what benefit would you have of getting the TWELVE over those dongle things. The only potential benefits I see are cue points and the ability to control multiple decks with one. Audio would still be digital. Heat would have no effect on them since you're not using the needle. And I don't think the 12's weigh much less than the 1200's.

I still haven't seen anyone explain why these are worth $1600 for the paid when you STILL need either an SL box or a Serato enabled mixer to use these puppies. They're just official serato accessories. AND.....they can't be used without serato (as far as we know).

Yes, a single NExus is 2k...but can be used with Traktor, VDJ, Rekordbox, A USB drive, AND with just CD'd if one wanted to do it that way. Same for all the other Accesories that are controllers. If what we're hearing holds true and these can only be used with serato....then that's a LOT of money for something that can be used with ONE application and ONLY offers midi audio output.


Those are my thoughts too.

One reason I never bought the SZ/SZ2. If I'm spending anything close to €1500 cash i d expect it to be more than a controller that needs a laptop to function.

Maybe Virtual DJ will get use out of it...we all know how tricky mapping Traktor to non NI jogs can be.

Rekordboxdj yet to see any official non Pioneer gearmapping (though it's open)
Aptidda 7:21 PM - 26 February, 2018
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I noticed today that the 72/12 release date has been pushed back to the end of March now. I'm wondering if these puppies will ever see the light of day.


where did you hear that?
thorissr 7:35 PM - 26 February, 2018
My GC rep informed me today when I was there to pickup an item. He pulled it up on their internal system and informed me that it was early March the last time he checked, that's when he noticed that the date was updated in their system to reflect a late March release.
Aptidda 7:50 PM - 26 February, 2018
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My GC rep informed me today when I was there to pickup an item. He pulled it up on their internal system and informed me that it was early March the last time he checked, that's when he noticed that the date was updated in their system to reflect a late March release.


yep I just checked that too. GOD F***** D***** S*********
HK1200 8:25 PM - 26 February, 2018
Wonder what the hold up is. Production problems, or software/firmware issues.

All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.
Chino 2:48 AM - 27 February, 2018
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All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.


+1. inMusic Brand NEEDS to take their time to make sure the Rane 72 & 12 are STABLE, *BUG FREE*, RELIABLE & truly "Battle Ready"!

I can't stress enough the importance of QUALITY CONTROL!!
dj_soo 2:59 AM - 27 February, 2018
I think some bugs are inevitable - what they truly need to ensure is that the bugs are addressed quickly and transparently - which mean acknowledging issues and making fixes a priority - something InMusic hasn't always been great at.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:56 AM - 27 February, 2018
does the new InMusic Rane need to look after old bugs?
THEE_Dj 2:47 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Why can't you use the TWELVES with any of those either? They are just HID controller tanks, super appealing to folks who want a modular setup and none of the environmental quirks of turntables.


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Because we have rarely see other editors doing a specific development for a rotating decks that is supposed to be used with an other software.
- Numark NS7
- Numark V7
- Denon 3700/3900 (that's why they did the hybrid mode)
- Stanton SCS1D

Technically it can be done, it's just a matter of protocols and some code. IRL, only VDJ is doing it for the sake of catching user. All the other editors will ask the manufacturers to pay for that exclusive coding, what manufacturers don't agree with because it already work with the intended application.


And the only one that SUCCESSFULLY works with all 3 majors is the Numark NS7(i/ii/iii)/V7. Works flawlessly with traktor serato and vdj. The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency but even then, the lights didn't work and only some of the buttons. And don't even get me started on the stantons lol

Numark TRIED to make the screen for the NS7iii not work with vdj but they worked it out anyway Iol
THEE_Dj 2:52 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Wonder what the hold up is. Production problems, or software/firmware issues.

All I know is they better make sure it's right. First products under the Inmusic umbrella. If they release it and it's lacking it might end up being the Rane deathblow.


GOTTA be right. Denon already made 2 iterations spinning midi platters and did a good job with it. If they didn't leverage that resource and these suck.......BRUH!!
THEE_Dj 3:29 PM - 27 February, 2018
Sidenote....blows my mind that the NS7 and V7 are still supported in Serato DJ. The 57 was never supported and it's only what....2 years older than the NS7/V7? And here we are, 5 years after the initial release of serato DJ and the NS7 and V7 are STILL supported. I'm not complaining my ANY means....just....shocked lol. I used a NS7 up until last year so...plus for me (I use the NS7iii now) but still nice to know that even in Serato Dj Pro (....why?) 2.0 I can still pull out the original NS7 and rock with it lol
Gio Alex 3:54 PM - 27 February, 2018
Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.
GusGomez 4:09 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

In other news the Rane lineup is delayed again until end of March smh
Gio Alex 4:11 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.

In other news the Rane lineup is delayed again until end of March smh


lol What's new...
Aptidda 4:59 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.


I miss my V7, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for a craigslist move to re-up on the controller.
THEE_Dj 5:08 PM - 27 February, 2018
I've heard the really will end up at June. Don't know how accurate that is... But......
THEE_Dj 5:13 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.


Puppies still like 20lbs each lol but looks like 7 can cop a pair for under $500. Might be better off getting an ns7 unless you specifically want then to be modular an/or have an external mixer
Gio Alex 5:46 PM - 27 February, 2018
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Bout to cop a pair of V7s lol. Supported by Serato DJ pro, fuck it. Small, portable, and have rotating decks. Perfect road kit.


Puppies still like 20lbs each lol but looks like 7 can cop a pair for under $500. Might be better off getting an ns7 unless you specifically want then to be modular an/or have an external mixer


Didn't realize they were still that heavy, but at least they're compact which is more of my issue, and I also saw you they go for like 500 a pair.

Actually just read they're 16lbs each, which is still more than I though, but techs are about 24 each.
dj_soo 6:46 PM - 27 February, 2018
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The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency


They still do. I've been using my sc3900s with the and pro beta with no issues
THEE_Dj 7:29 PM - 27 February, 2018
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The 3700/3900 did until serato changed the time code frequency


They still do. I've been using my sc3900s with the and pro beta with no issues


Thought the 3900s had the same problem. I stand corrected
THEE_Dj 7:29 PM - 27 February, 2018
I know the 3700 doesn't work. I had them lol
J.J. 8:49 PM - 27 February, 2018
The “Hybrid MIDI Sel – Scratch Live" timecode frequency signal on the DN-S3700 doesn't work with Serato DJ anymore? That is news to me. What Serato DJ version did it stop working with?
THEE_Dj 9:16 PM - 27 February, 2018
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The “Hybrid MIDI Sel – Scratch Live" timecode frequency signal on the DN-S3700 doesn't work with Serato DJ anymore? That is news to me. What Serato DJ version did it stop working with?


its been a while. leeme see if i can find the exact version real quick.....

couldn't find exactly when, but apparently some guycreated an XML on his own that supposedly works with 1.6 at least. don't know past that
dj_soo 9:46 PM - 27 February, 2018
I've been using my 3900s all through 1.9 and the beta with no issues. Both the signal and the midi mappings are fine
dj_soo 10:00 PM - 27 February, 2018
You might be thinking of the official Denon scratchlive mapping that doesn't translate to sdj.

But the timecode is still fine and you can map everything yourself albeit it's a little limited.
THEE_Dj 10:01 PM - 27 February, 2018
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You might be thinking of the official Denon scratchlive mapping that doesn't translate to sdj.

But the timecode is still fine and you can map everything yourself albeit it's a little limited.


That was what i was referring to. I know it CAN be mapped. But like you said, it's limited. And even the official mapping was "limited" so to speak (at least on the 3700" I remember certain functions(buttons) not working very well.
dj_soo 10:07 PM - 27 February, 2018
The timecode output works fine tho. I have a pretty decent mapping for my 3900, but it took several iterations to get the way I like, and I have to memorize a bunch of stuff. On top of that, other than the buttons, you can't really map layers or shift functions which limits your controls. Not a huge deal from me because I have both a 62 and an sp1 which I use with the denons and I'm in no way losing out of functionality.
J.J. 12:24 AM - 28 February, 2018
I had a hand in developing that custom Denon MIDI Map for SSL. Of course it wouldn't work in Serato DJ.

I was working on a Serato DJ MIDI Map version but SDJ will only illuminate 1 button on the whole controller. Radikarl and I have not found a way around it. But MIDI mapping and Shift buttons should work just fine.
GusGomez 5:10 PM - 8 March, 2018
Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH
Aptidda 5:21 PM - 8 March, 2018
Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?
GusGomez 5:37 PM - 8 March, 2018
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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.
Aptidda 6:04 PM - 8 March, 2018
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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.


right? If they do im jumping on board.
WildcardX 7:16 PM - 8 March, 2018
Interesting events since Skratch Bastid had them testing on his Instagram. Ah well......Imma be here waiting on Phase thought but the concept of the Twelve and Seventy-Two are interesting.
Aptidda 7:31 PM - 8 March, 2018
ya I know, Bastid got his setup before anyone. AAARRGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhh
THEE_Dj 7:34 PM - 8 March, 2018
Watched Skratch Bastid unbox the 72 and ab12 and test them.....even more so now than before I don't see any reason to switch from my NS7ii with 2 small exceptions:

1 - 12" platter instead of 7"
2 - They're modular. So if one goes out it's a $700 replacement not $1300
Aptidda 7:39 PM - 8 March, 2018
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Watched Skratch Bastid unbox the 72 and ab12 and test them.....even more so now than before I don't see any reason to switch from my NS7ii with 2 small exceptions:

1 - 12" platter instead of 7"
2 - They're modular. So if one goes out it's a $700 replacement not $1300


well the Mixer is the obvious exception. The 72 is in a whole other dimension than your controller "mixer".
Gio Alex 9:21 PM - 8 March, 2018
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Yay! Lol, ya well hopefully we see these units by 2020. Can Pioneer just hurry up and release a S10 with an all metal construction and a screen before Rane drops so I can cancel my pre-order please?

seriously...Rane is taking so long I wouldn't be surprise if Pio releases something and blows them out the water.


I dunno man, Pio loves their static decks. lol
DaltonSR20 10:21 PM - 8 March, 2018
InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol
Gio Alex 10:50 PM - 8 March, 2018
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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol


That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.
Aptidda 11:20 PM - 8 March, 2018
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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol


That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.


I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.
GusGomez 2:15 PM - 9 March, 2018
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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol


That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.

that's a great point...the thing is what does delaying it from March 29th to April 3 do for InMusic what improvement can you come up with in 5 days?
Chino 2:59 PM - 9 March, 2018
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That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.


The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that I will probably just use what I already have. My 3900s gets the job done. Using my 1200s with Phase also seems cool.

I would like to upgrade from my 62 to the Rane 72. Whether or not I upgrade depends on the stability & reliability of these new inMusic Brand products.
GusGomez 3:14 PM - 9 March, 2018
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That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.


The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that I will probably just use what I already have. My 3900s gets the job done. Using my 1200s with Phase also seems cool.

I would like to upgrade from my 62 to the Rane 72. Whether or not I upgrade depends on the stability & reliability of these new inMusic Brand products.

Can't blame you
Chino 3:20 PM - 9 March, 2018
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what does delaying it from March 29th to April 3 do for InMusic what improvement can you come up with in 5 days?


^^^ This might be more of a logistical issue. There may be a delay from the factory and/or getting the products from the distribution points to the retailers.
THEE_Dj 3:37 PM - 9 March, 2018
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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol


That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.


I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.


Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and everything.

The mixer on the NS7iii is a true mixer by the way. Analog and digital. Even supports DVS.
Aptidda 4:15 PM - 9 March, 2018
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InMusic/Rane went back to the drawing board after seeing Phase at NAMM lol


That, and the price of decks that can only be used for serato at 800 bucks each. 1-2 years be considered legacy or obsolete.


I saw Jessie Dean is probably going to make a tone arm you can mount to it, but still stick with some 1200's right? I just hope the 72 doesn't suffer the same legacy fate, considering its inmusic's first new mixer I believe bright days are ahead.


Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and everything.

The mixer on the NS7iii is a true mixer by the way. Analog and digital. Even supports DVS.



LOL, ya the NS7iii mixer is a true pile of trash "mixer" (if you can call it that? debatable) to me. All in one's are trash. All hail the 12 and 72 combo as the highest and mightiest of them all!
THEE_Dj 4:40 PM - 9 March, 2018
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Yeah I was specifically referring to the 12's. The mixer is....ehh...in my opinion. Only because so much is based on the touchscreen. Part of the appeal of the Rane mixers was it didn't require "technology" so to speak. If that touchscreen goes out you lose analog effects and e
LOL, ya the NS7iii mixer is a true pile of trash "mixer" (if you can call it that? debatable) to me. All in one's are trash. All hail the 12 and 72 combo as the highest and mightiest of them all!


Whether you like it or not doesn't change what it is lol. You ever actually used one though? I use it, the so, and the 62 a lot..... As far as for cutting it works just as well. Obviously you lose built in fx (including filter which REALLY sucks) but other than that.......
AKIEM 5:46 PM - 9 March, 2018
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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH


GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet
The Return of Dj Sparky 5:56 PM - 9 March, 2018
the rane 12, great idea but released 10 years too late
GusGomez 6:04 PM - 9 March, 2018
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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH


GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet

really? that's interesting so whats the excuse for the 72?
Gio Alex 6:12 PM - 9 March, 2018
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Guess what everyone?...according to Guitar Center They're delayed again SMH


GC said it's delayed because they are adding a tone arm.

sweet


Lmao
Gio Alex 6:13 PM - 9 March, 2018