It maybe a while before apple releases something like this if ever, Tim Cook was doing an interview the other day and said they had no plans of unifying OSX & iOS and they took shots at microsoft for taking the one size fits all approach with their products windows 10 and the surface hybrids.

Apple has alot of foundation to lay down before they make a hybrid type device, as OSX has no touch based input and hasn't had any signs of it and iOS is still very mobile centric which will be a hindrance in my opinion for the iPad Pro. Microsoft took a bet with windows 8 and now they are starting to see fruit from that experiment and it maybe what helps put them in a better place for the future by doing the work so early.

Adobe announced that the majority of their suite apps have been optimized for touch based input and alot of other companies announced they are either making apps for windows 10/10 mobile or optimizing their apps for windows 10/10 mobile. Its still a ways to go but its happening and alot of people in tech were on the enthusiastic side in regards to microsoft after their event.

Lots of innovations in there but on the"surface", they've straight bitten the Apple Macbook/Pro designs. From the logo, to the aluminum-looking magnesium body, the thinness, and to the actual back-lit keys. Straight biters...

This would be dope for DMX lighting control, though way overkill...

come on copying Apple? please! how are they copying Apple just because they made a high end aluminum laptop it's copying Apple?...It's the other way around with Apple's so called Ipad Pro what's so Pro about that Ipad? as for the price you gotta be kidding me, that is the same price you would pay for a MacBook Pro with less specs and none touch screen not to mention this also turns into a tablet...This is a game changer and had I not changed my laptop recently this would have been my next laptop this thing is gorgeous.

Anyone know if the surface 1 or 2 can run ssl? 1.9.2? :)

Yes but only if its the Surface Pro.

From Wiki:

The first generation Surface uses a quad core Nvidia Tegra 3 of the ARM architecture, as opposed to the Intel x64 architecture and therefore shipped with Windows RT, which was written for the ARM architecture. The second generation Surface 2 added an Nvidia Tegra 4. The architecture limited Surface and Surface 2 to only apps from the Windows Store recompiled for ARM. With the release of the Surface 3, Microsoft switched the Surface line to the Intel x64 architecture, the same architecture found in the Surface Pro line. Surface 3 uses the Braswell Atom X7 processor.[20]

With the Surface Pro line, Microsoft uses the Intel x64 architecture which can run most software design for Microsoft Windows. Both Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 had one processor variant, the Core i5, though the Surface Pro runs the Ivy Bridge iteration, and the Surface Pro 2 runs the Haswell iteration. The Surface Pro 3 added the Haswell Core i3 and Core i7 variants.

Thanks!

From everything I listed. It's that simple.


I said nothing about a iPad Pro.


I'm not arguing that price, although I am still of the mindset that a PC/Windows machines never deserve a premium price. This is based on past Windows OS's and related hardwares. (not Windows 10). They just seem like they get outdated really quick and NEVER hold their resale value.

I take that back... the price gets up to $2700 with 512GB SSD, 16GB ram with discreet video. That's too high for a PC.

Why dog on PC? There are laptops with WAY higher specs than any macbook and quite a few offer a ton of more features like better screens, better connectivity, and way better upgradeability. Hell, some even have DESKTOP CPUs inside so you can even upgrade the CPU. Also, PCs have much better value when compared to MBPs and the like.

All of that is cool.....but the most important factor for me is reliability.....i just don't trust a PC.....I have a 2010 and a 2013 MacBook Pro....no antivirus programs (which should be factored into PC pricing).....never a hiccup......as far as the pricing I'll never pay more than 999.99 for a PC....but that's me......carry on.

I agree...

Let's take a pole from ALL the DJ's using a Mac. How many of you actively run an anti-virus program on your Mac?
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I guarantee you, out of 100 people running Macs, less than 10% of them have an anti-virus program running and probably less than 3% have EVER had any sort of viral issue on their machine. No, I'm not saying Macs are totally innocuous to viruses but they are very unlikely. With Macs, their reliability is huge and performance stays consistent and great as does the re$ale value. PC's can't say any of that...

I dont have much recent experience w a pc but my stock 2006 macbook is 100% solid w ssl and runs like brand new still.

Damn dude, that's old but hats off to you if it still works and works well. I have an '09 MBPro w/ 8GB ram and 1TB 7200rpm drive. I'm just itching to get a new machine to take me into the 2020's.

Although I guess the logo placement is a rip off there's not much they can do about the magnesium body. Magnesium is silver. Also apple didn't have the first ultra-thin laptop, Sony did. Apple didn't invent back-lit keys either.

Truth.
Also, the Surface line wasnt made to be a direct competitor of the Macbook as they all have detachable keyboards and a touchscreen

Seems like a cool innovation but how robust is it? I definitely like touch screen concepts but I get the feeling a detachable keyboard just isn't "road worthy" for DJ use. Some of you guys go through 3 headphones a year so imagine how a detachable laptop would end up...

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I agree with you on the resale value mostly, but that isn't a big issue since most laptops are so upgradeable to where you won't need to sell it to get more RAM or storage. Also, I would debate that PCs also have great reliability when the user behind the PC knows what they're doing. On my gig laptop, I ONLY keep Serato installed on it and don't download any unnecessary software or go on any unnecessary websites which keeps my device sealed off from viruses and other malware. Also, most MBPs have consistent performance from old ones to new ones because the line doesn't get improved all that much. Even the newest top of the line MBP is behind on RAM , storage, GPU, and CPU technology

Touchscreens are nifty for everyday use and enhance the general experience of web browsing and media consumption. On the DJ side, I would disable it so that just incase a bug landed on it or someone tapped it nothing could happen. Also, the keyboard is suprisingly strong, but for a professional application I would rather use a legitimate laptop.

That's what you have to do with a PC lol.....I surf any sites I want with my laptops and don't worry about getting that blue of screen of death when I open it back up....I don't want the limitations.....nonetheless....this particular PC looks cool for a backup....and to control ShowXpress since I can't do sound active mode on a Mac....but with that price.....NAH.

Eh... there's always reasons to sell and upgrade (faster processor/video) but okay.


The average layperson can own a Mac, never even enable the firewall or install anti-virus and still have 0% viral issues. I run tons of stuff on my Mac and don't restrict sites I go to... torrents, movie sites, etc. I've been doing this since my first MBPro in '04-'05 and nary a single virus... ever. ((( knocks on wood )))


Huh? They have 16GB ram just like the highest-end Surfacebook unit on this thread. They also come from the factory with up to 1TB SSD storage. And CPU speed is relative to the efficiency of the operating system. Have you ever considered that OSX (built on rock solid Unix) is waaayyyy more efficient than the legacy-oriented Windows OS's old and new? Kind of like JBL SRX700 drivers/speakers... highly inefficient and taking tons of power to properly drive them (although they perform well). There's advantages to having a consistent manufacture, with consistent hardware, making the operating system for their equipment. They don't have to bloat the OS with universal compatibility for every Jung-Zhune manufacturer under the sun like Windows does.

All day and that's what my thought was... using it for DMX control. The entry price is just way too high for such a limited-use machine for my needs. If it was $799, I'd bypass a (used) MBPro and consider it.

Also... have y'all fanboys noticed the screen on this expen$ive things is only 13"?

Getting an expensive computer and ONLY having one program and not using the Internet or whatever else it was its intended use is stupid.

I'm not all about to go PC vs Mac debate BUT i do love being able to install whatever programs I need all while having DJ programs, etc.

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Yeah... my bad, these sort of debates have been ongoing since forever. That being said, I like this SurfacePro, think it's a good direction for Microsoft but it's simply overpriced.

Many mac users are clueless since they think they are more secure just because they do not have to run antivirus.

Not running an antivirus on a Mac is a security risk.

The resale value of your pc vs Mac is invalid - since selling your mac is a security risk. Even if the hard drive is erased. I have personally retrieved data from erased hard drives.

I would not sell a mac without replacing the drive, with kinda nullifies selling it in first place.

Viruses are just a small portion of computer security.

Two people in the room can be running a mac and a pc - a simple MITM attack can retrieve both of their data.

The majority of computer attacks are based over network traffic and the interception of network data, whether wireless or wired.

Point is you can be running a windows system can be way more secure than someone who thinks viruses is the end-all in computer security. There are many types of attacks and quite a few of them never have to interact with your operating system to get the data the attacker needs. Many times the victim provides the info voluntarily.

Well color me clueless, I run the built-in firewall only.


Depends on the type of wipe or reformat you perform. Running an Apple multi-pass erase will nullify your retrieval efforts.


Cool and somewhat true but they sure are annoying and bring most PC's to their knees when they so often get them.


Okay... lots of factors come into play trying to achieve this. These risks jump up using erroneous / untrusted hot-spots and such.


This discussion has shifted to cyber-security. It was originally focused on whether or not that SurfacePro was the end-all ultimate DJ'ing computer or not...

I dont know how savvy you to new technology, but I'll fill you in as this stuff is relatively new. Within the year, Intel has released Broadwell and Skylake CPUs, neither of which are supported by Apple. Furthermore, your OS efficiency argument is invalid. When running inrensive tasks, that power matters, especially when that power also gives you less heat and less power draw while running faster.
Next, on the GPU side of things, the R9 370X that the top of the line MBP ships out with is a joke. Nvidia has way more powerful and efficient GPUs on the market. Furthermore, DDR3 RAM is outdated. DDR4 is alot faster, runs on less voltage, has lower latency, and overclocks better. On the storage side, the high end laptop market is moving to NVMe SSDs which have a massive speed increase over typical SATA or standard PCIe based ones.
Back on the OS topic, Windows is VERY efficient, and OSX has no tangible speed benefit. Lastly, Windows is very reliable, and by knowing how to actually use a computer, I have NEVER gotten a virus or blue screen on any machine of mine. And for the record, that includes my main workstation desktop which I go on any kind of site, download loads of software, and use in so many dofferent ways. The only reason I don't do that on my laptop is just as an extra precaution.

I am not trying to be rude or anything, just want people to be informed of the truths of Mac vs PC.

Nope. Some data is still recoverable.
I always magnetically erase then crush my old drives.


I guess it depends on the user and how computer literate they are.


No sir. Lots of factors do not come into play, you practice the attack, you select your victim, you execute the attack.
You can be a victim of a deauth attack, kicked off your own wireless in your house on your MAC, your wifi be spoofed/connected to the evil-twin, your packets/traffic sniffed and you wouldn't know the difference.


Virus are a part of cyber-security. You guys were using viruses as the primary basis why they should not get a microsoft surface.

I was just point out that mac users are not as bulletproof as they think they are. You can get hacked. I was just providing another perspective.

But ultimate Djing computer will always be subjective to the user.

Every time I hear someone talk about overclocking... I'm reminded of this:

"Overclocking will void the warranty of your retail CPU. Overclocking may destroy your CPU, your motherboard, or your system memory. It may corrupt your hard drive. Be careful when overclocking. You have been warned."

I don't know about you guys, but when I buy something, all I want to do is get the job done. I don't want to tweak shit. I don't want to worry about what will happen if, etc.

But.... to each his/her own.

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If you know what you're doing, overclocking isn't harmful and can greatly boost you system performance, although this is alot more relevant to desktops.

Think of your computer like a car, maybe that will help. Overclocking is not bad.

Thanks RR for understanding this stuff. Nice to have someone who also understands so that it doesn't seem like I'm pulling all of this info out of thin air

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying it can be bad, just like doing shit to your car that may fuck it up.

In other words, I leave that shit to the experts. Same with computers, the last time I actually worked on PC - was many many many many years ago. Now, no one in my family uses PC's anymore so I'm not the to go guy for that. So, that's good in itself.

And you're right when it comes to viruses (that's why I don't really use that argument) - but you cannot fix stupidity and most people ARE IN FACT stupid. At least with a Mac, it's a lot more difficult to install something that you otherwise shouldn't.

As far as the Surface Book, stuff like that it's kinda cool in its own right and if getting one (even just for DJing alone) made sense, I say why not. Who cares what platform it is as long as it works. Right?


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Take for instance the new MBP's. Kinda fucked up that they can't be user-upgraded anymore. Now, that is truly fucked up - but I understand the business logic behind that and also, in a way, for those who didn't know what they were doing, means now you can't fuck it up either. lol

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Multi-pass erasure is a DOD (Dept. of Defense) standard and far good enough for me and most any DJ's and person's concern. If it's good enough for the DOD, it's good enough for me. Anything you "claim" to be able to recover from a multi-wipe is most likely unusable. No one does this in our DJ world. People buy a used machine to save money and do their job.

Actually, I'm not even sure why I'm responding to your security risk/hard drive statement because you said:


Your left-field HD point is in no way relative to a Mac's resale value. Proof is in the pudding. Bottom line is, used Macs hold their value much more so than a used PC. #facts


Nope... we mentioned that: reliability, consistent performance and re$ale value are the primary reason to not get a Microsoft / Windows product. No multitude of OS tweaks and disabling services are necessary with a Mac. Tons of tweaks are needed on a PC. The virus susceptibility of a Windows machine and yearly anti-virus maintenance costs are further reasoning.

Regardless of your techie background... how many threads have you seen on this board where a DJ is suffering from a virus-infected Mac?

No tweaks necessary for a PC besides changing power options for it not to put itself to sleep. Same a on a Mac. Also, the actual good antivirus for PCs is free so no maintenance cost. #facts

Friggin IT guys bore me to tears. Suck the surface of my $&&&

I consider myself an expert in some areas of computing, so I do not mind tweaking.


But that's how you learn, you have to break stuff, to learn how to fix it.

Take mixers for example - every mixer, even the ones with the tightest faders, there are still cats who are trying to make those faders even tighter..


True it's more difficult to install stuff on mac based computers.


True, if it works it works.


If that standard is good enough for you, ok, use it.
It is not good enough for me.

You can only speak for yourself, you do not know what types of files other users store on their machines. Some may store financial records or sensitive pictures/ videos.


I was taking about how selling your mac, may be a bad thing. I could care less about resale value. You were using selling your mac as an advantage, I am saying it may not be an advantage, if someone with the right knowledge gets there hands on your computer.


Tons of tweaks needed on a pc - maybe for you, not for me.
Dude there are many free reliable antivirus programs - and you are back talking about virus again when I already explained..............



Answer this what is the purpose of a virus?
One of the intents is to steal your information right, like credit cards#, passwords etc.
Let say for the sake of debate, no one on this board with a Mac got a virus.
Do you actually think your transmitted data is safer because you are on mac?
Do you think internet banking is safer because you are connecting from a mac?
Do you think your credit card data, passwords cannot be stolen because you are on a mac.

The virus has to transmit your information over the network right. There are alternatives to viruses which have the same end result.
I would actually feel better if I got a virus, I would know to put an alert on my credit etc.

Your information can be stolen on a PC even if you NEVER GOT a virus. The same thing for a mac.


It like you are saying my house(mac) and everyone with a house like mine( other macs) has big gate with security and no one can get in. And those houses down the block(pc) do not have gates and they alway have burglars(viruses).

And I am trying to tell you every time you step outside those gates(internet) you can have things stolen out your book bag without you every knowing, the same as the houses down the block - but you keep going back to the "we have big gates and we are protected" point.

There is no one answer to this. In general, they're used to:

- destroy or corrupt your data.
- spam.
- snoop, steal or intercept your data.
- create backdoors into your network.
- snoop or probe your network.
- simply replicate and spread.
- create Denial of Service type attacks.
- etc...

You seem to only be focused on #3.



I'm saying that with a PC, you're highly more likely to get a "virus" than you would if you're using a Mac. Your focus seems to be more on network hacking and data interception techniques as opposed to a corrupted file or script that'll do damage just from opening it. There are far more "viruses" out there that affect PC users and inherent Windows vulnerabilities than Mac users and that can't be disputed. If you're on the Internet with a Windows PC, you MUST run some sort(s) of anti-virus or Malware protection or your computer will be Swiss cheese... themz is facts. Mac users, not so much...

Data interception, secure vs. unsecure connectivity, digital certificates, encryption of data over a network... that's what you're focused on and that is another ballgame.

I will say everyone should at least enable their firewall on their Mac. Some don't even know it exists. And once again, a Mac is not totally insusceptible to viruses, it's just far less likely compared to a Windows PC.


They're usually limited in features, not comprehensive or are system hogs. PC guys that go the free route usually have several programs running resident just to protect themselves: anti-virus, spyware, firewall, intrusive prevention, etc. All of these have to run resident in memory and are slowing your bleeding-edge CPU's (or Serato) down.


And to my main points: reliability, performance and resale... for what we do, a Mac trumps a Windows PC in all those categories, especially reliability and resale. Performance will be debatable, especially from the techies and tweakers.

DJ GaFFle is right, please stay focused on the subject !!

I created this discussion around this kind of hybrid laptop to talk about how it can be used in dj workflow and how it can even increase the djing experience. I didn't wanna talk about the eternal fight windows vs mac...

So imagine Apple will launch also this kind of hybrid laptop, will you go for it? Or do you think it's overpriced or even overkilled for the dj needs?

As I said I really love the concept in many aspects!

" But that's how you learn, you have to break stuff, to learn how to fix it."

You don't have to break stuff... but I see what you mean - I just think the wording is off. I personally rather do all my research and not have any fuck ups. I've been able to do a lot with all my Macs pre-Retina and nothing has been broken.

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If Apple made this, I would go for it... just so long as it's based on OSX. I would avoid it if it was some new stripped down OS based on their cellphone OS. I would prefer it not be detachable because I just feel it would be more susceptible to damage or misplacement.

For less money, I'd go for this SurfacePro as well. Again, I love the touchscreen aspect and the look is very sexy. To use it solely as my goto DJ machine... nope. I trust running my DJ application on OSX as oppose to Windows and this is simply based on past experiences and online horror stories. This SurfacePro would be my DJ backup laptop, DMX software controller, along with controlling my EV DC One DSP and Crown MA12000i amp configurations. I'm done...

The surface pro is cool also, but the keyboard could not be used on a laptop stand so when djing we don't know where to put it....
For DMX purpose, surface pro/book and generally all touch devices are just perfect !!!

The apple way of making a device like will be to introduce a brand new OS, which will be weird as Tim Cook has said that they have no plans of making a hybrid or converging OSX & iOS. And adding another OS will bring apple to a total 5 different operating systems for their devices. (OSX, iOS, TVOS & WatchOS). These kinds of hybrid devices may become the norm in computing soon, hell even the feature Microsoft is pushing with their new phones to be used as pseudo PC's when connected to a monitor may create another genre of device on it's own. Despite having all Apple devices the huge lead they had when the iphone first released is starting to fade and other companies are starting to make better hardware and the software offerings from others are becoming rather exciting, but we shall see what happens.

Agreed. We have a drill press at work just for this purpose.


I also have to say that since Windows 7 I havent really used much in the way of 3rd party antivirus. The built in antivirus isnt the best out there but its decent enough for everyday browsing. Anything that gets passed it is cleaned with a 30 min scanner that is free.

Honestly i thinking about it now, i cant remember the last time i had one of my family members windows machines get infected with any malware.

You all sound like you are talking about windows XP or earlier.

^^ Ahh shit quoted the wrong dude, meant to quote the guy who said he doesnt leave the drives in the machine if he sells, too lazy to scroll up and figure out who it was.

I believe it was RogerRabbit

It was actually a rhetorical question, I am fully aware of what viruses are used for. Everything you listed except #1 has to do with your network which I tried to break down in my house example.

I am really focused on your perceived security vs actual security.



Windows 8/10 has built in antivirus protection. It is established that viruses are more prevalent on windows machine. But macs have lots of security vulnerabilities also many chose to downplay them. Example:www.cvedetails.com


:) But do you get that your local firewall will not protect from things I pointed out..


:) When was the last time you used a pc. You do know that many security suites have anti-virus, spyware, firewall as a single program right..


I will say only resale.

Man, I put my hands on that Surfacebook today and I must say, this laptop felt and looked impressive! I'm still scratching my head at the $2699 price for 16GB ram w/ 512SSD and GPU. I also just can't see myself trusting Serato DJ and my machine to run flawlessly/worryfree as it's done with my MBPro.

If I were a IT consultant and not a full-time employed engineer, I'd get one hands-down as my personal work machine.

We're a Microsoft shop and I discussed this with the owner. I said the only reason I have a Macbook Pro is because of DJ'ing and dev purposes.

If Microsoft runs beta program I'm jumping in head first because if it can run SDJ like a Macbook Pro can, I'm going back to Windows.

Also that intro price will drop just now.

Sadly Tim Cook thinks this hydrid is "diluted" so we will not see an Apple version that soon...even though A LOT of people like this concept is dope !!! Microsoft has a very good opportunity to be a real alternative to Apple ecosystem, but they have to invest a lot on their OS ...

I think the Surface book pro is an amazing device, and I don't see much of a copy from Apple at all (I think its ahead of Apple in terms of features and design). The design is different from a MacBook pro, and the materials its made out of doesn't make it a copycat. The Windows sign isn't a copy cat either, reason being that most Notebook companies like Dell, HP, and Asus place their logo in the center as well. I would understand if the logo lit up, but this one is just chrome/silver. Its a great device for productivity, music producing, Photoshop, AutoCAD etc. but for DJing I think is a stretch (at least for now). I still can't trust Windows for stability reasons (that's where Apple's OSX triumphs). I believe since this is the first of its kind, the price will be high, but I think the next generations will be more reasonable in price. I also want to mention that the dedicated graphics card is built inside of the keyboard itself which makes it convenient for someone that bought the cheaper model but wanted more graphics power in the future (just by purchasing another keyboard to attach to it). So no this is definitely not a copycat from Apple. (I'm just a tech head like that)

I play around with a Pro 3 at work and it's not a bad machine. I'd want a Pro 4 to do some rigorous at home testing with music videos (which means I'd be stuck using Serato Video vs Mix Emergency) to see how it worked. Of course audio only would have me a lot more confident.

Has anyone used a surface book with serato if so how good is it, did it have any hiccups, if you just an Apple fanboy (as I am don't get me wrong) please no need to reply as you have no real facts just opinions

Im happy with my HP . I got the Envy DV7 with the intel I5 core chip and 8 gigs of ram. Never Froze or jammed on me once, runs Serato like a champ, and it has the built in beats audio driver and a subwoofer mini built in which is pretty cool. Always wanted to get my hands on a Mac Book pro one day though!! Maybe when I upgrade my MIDI ill upgrade my comp!!

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If you are a professional dj just stick with Mac if you can afford it, no point gambling with the know risks.

Awesome... after having had a Serato DJ meltdown moment at a festival I was playing (no issues w SSL over the years, but switched to Surface Pro Win10 recently, so thought I'd give Serato DJ a try as well after it feeling/looking/behaving alright at a few at home & radio sessions... not so much fun when it happens live all of a sudden infront of an audience...).

When I bought the Surface pro a while ago, nothing indicated any issues with Surface & Serato...but now Serato officially states Surface Pro/Book & Serato DJ is a combination not to be trusted, so I thought I'd post it here in the threads as this was news to me... :
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"KNOWN ISSUE: Microsoft Surface Pro and Surface Book issues with Serato DJ

There is currently a known compatibility issue between the Microsoft Surface Pro and Surface Book series computers and Serato DJ. The problem originates from an the hardware configuration and symptoms can range from bad or no audio, to connection failure.

Due to this we do not recommend using Microsoft Surface computers for use with Serato DJ, especially in any live or performance scenarios. "

What a shame (for Serato mostly, as this will mean Surface users can start ignoring Serato DJ and jump on the Rekordbox & Traktor train....)... does anyone know if the above "Known issue" is for v4/3/2/1 ??

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Just to give a real review.

I have a Surface Book, i7, 8gb ram.

Used with scratch live, serato DJ, serato video.

Here's my experience giging with it for almost a year.

Since Serato doesn't support high ppi displays, I have to reduce the screen resolution from 3000 x 2000 to 1600 x 1200.

With my NS7II I have no issues running Serato DJ.

With my DDJ-SR because it's not external powered, the USB 3.0 ports don't provide enough power to the unit. To remedy that, I run the DDJ-SR thru a powered USB hub and it works fine.

No audio or stability issues with either scratch live or serato DJ.

Was a apple fan boy until I picked this laptop up.

The only downside is with the screen being a touch screen, if you accidently touch the screen serato acts up.

I now have my MacBook as a back up just in case. I don't take it with me to gigs, it's at home with my turntable setup. But I still have it.

All and all great laptop, plenty powerful. But I do suggest unlocking the power modes to open even more power.

I don't like having a dedicated laptop just for djn. In my experience that's pointless. Get you a laptop with enough ram and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

As far as viruses, haven't had one. Go to trusted sites, don't torrent and stay from watching porn and you'll be alright. No anti virus software just the Windows defender on my system also.

Any more questions, just ask. Hope this helps anyone who runs past this thread again.

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Hi,
If someone have a surface book, any reply on experience with it ?

Read my previous comment

I use a pro 4, i7 16GB RAM, 512 SSD, everything runs fast no surrender, never a lock, I did many evenings never had a problem, I also MacBook Pro Retina 15 "i7 and I can say that I put that I have a surface. Now the interface is the perfect partner, to have the full power of the processor, because Microsoft has set only balanced mode, I downloaded the Intel video driver, the energy section imposed maximum performance, everything runs well, I do not I scratch so I do not need low latency, temperatures remain about 45/50 degrees, the fan is heard but not so fast, only problem on Windows are the waveforms, but when used in a horizontal run pretty smooth. 7 April serato will be at Microsoft store in New York, where it will use Surface products. I hope this helps to understand that these machines can be used serato well. only complaint I would have preferred a quad core.

Hi DJ Zaza, cool, thanks for your reply.
I'm also looking for informations from users who use a Pro 4 with low latency and usb hub (to connect turntables, Serato sound card, and DDJ SP1, or a dj controller like a sz or something like: because i'm using all these config.

Maybe i will agree to move from my MBP.

I have also tried to lower latency and had no problems, I arrived at 2ms, the processor works well, but you have to calculate it is not a dual core hq, temperatures rise, before taking S9, I rane62 + ddj sp1, connected to Microsoft dock, okay no abandonment. The fact remains to optimize it a bit ', disabling the network card and using Intel panel, select maximum performance. But if you make video I suggest you stay on a MacBook.

Ok thanks, a friend will let me use his one for this weekend... i will be able to make some good tests.
I will let u know

Oooh, i forgot that post since my last post.

Tests done with:
> surface pro 4: i7/ 256 go HDD / 16 Go of ram.
> Rane SL3 & 2 Reloop RP8000 : all connected to a non-powered usb 3 hub

1st:
you've got to know that if you touch the surface screen while SDJ is running: SDJ crash !!!
I think this is why Serato doesn't recommand to use it in live situation.

2nd:
Without touching the surface screen, i was able to mix without any problem during 1H.

3rd: adding a DDJ SP1 on the hub. I got many freeze of the midi parts of my RP 8000.

4th: Latency: i was on 2 ms on the surface pro 4. SDJ run smoothly like on my mbp 15" mid 2012 / i7 with ssd & 8 Go of ram.

My opinion:
Clearly, i think that surface may/can be a good standard in the future. Serato have in fact to improve the soft and make it compatible with touch screen.

Serato was @Microsoft HQ for a demo a few months ago, i hope that this working is in progress.

If Serato can give us some informations about that: it would be cool.

(sorry for my french school english :-) hope it's a little bit clear :-)

Hi dj Trice. I also noticed the blocks if you touch the part of the lists but I did not find crash, I confirm that the performance of this version is really good, and I do not understand who in other posts continues to complain, we hope Serato and Microsoft succeed in Find a way to improve performance, I believe the next step will be releasing a version for the windows store. Now it's been a long time since the official release of this release, so if so far they have not released any other beta, they are working on something. I'm also working at 2ms as latency, although it's hot and the temperatures are a bit higher, as I have already written I do not scratch so i do not need such latency. Look to see what new products will come.

In fact this is not a real crash but when touching, sdj freeze and it's impossible to retake control of anything.
Must open task manager and kill sdj process.

I use swype from left to right to show activities, and Serato resumes to work normally, try and let me know

Don t have her anymore, surface was a loan from à Friend.