I'm going to say the ETX is a better cabinet. I own qsc gear and love it but the new EV's really did sound nice at NAMM. I haven't A/B'ed them though

I haven't heard the ETX but all reports are they sound great and better than the kw.

I think the K-series and KW are kind of showing their age nowadays and newer speakers have surpassed them in sound quality due to things like DSP, more efficient amps, and newer cabinet design. Although I don't think they sound bad, the flaws in that line are pretty evident nowadays - mainly with them being a little harsh at high volumes and sounding not great when hitting the limit.

The big difference is that the QSCs are pretty time tested at this point. They work and they last - how many reports of QSC with build issues have you heard? The universal complaint seems to be that they sound bad at limit, but I've almost never heard anyone talking about them breaking down and they've been on the market for a good long while now. The ETX don't have the long-term experience - so even if they sound better, the word is still out on their longevity. That said, EV isn't known for making crap and if their previous speakers are anything to go by, it's not out of the question to trust in the company despite not having

*despite not having been around for a while.

I am a few days away from jumping on the a pair of ETX-35P and a pair of ETX-18SP

From the feedback I gathered they are fantastic.... especially all the tech & DSP.

I so go for the ETXs too.

Just brought the ETX-35P last night from sam ash...Hooked it up and right away i new something was wrong...Speaker sounded distorted and no low end might be defected..Bringing it back today to get another one..Already not a good sign...Will make them play the replacement before i leave the store...

Dude... there's something about Sam Ash. I bought a pair of PRX635's from them (brand new) and the midrange wasn't even connected on one of the speakers. A friend purchase a pair of Tapco Thumps a good while ago and both failed within a few hours of playing. I even recall having them demo a Mackie SRM450V2 for me back in the day. They pulled it right out the box and plastic, turned it on... and pop... poof... fizzle... it was dead.

What size events are you guys doing? ETX12P or ETX15P won't cut it?

Usually 3 way cabinets sound better for prerecorded sound playback.

Well the ETX 35p is basically a ETX-15p, but with a mid bass driver. Its not about size, but sound. A 3 way cabinet sounds way better than 2 way. Vocals dont need a lot of low end and with a 3 way they wont get muddy with bass heavy tracks. For most DJ sound setups a top speaker with a sub on the bottom is a basically a 3 way setup if you have the tops crossed over.

I really like the fact the ETX 35p is pole mountable. youtu.be

The dispersion pattern on the 35p kinda turned me off tho at 60° x 40° compared to the 90° x 60° the 10,12 & regular 15 have.

Bummer. Hopefully it's an isolated incident.

What did you pay for the speaker?

Man i was about to go postal in sam ash this morning..But anyway they gave me another one and we tested the new one out and it was all good...Even did a side by side with the QSC KW153 and the JBL PRX 735.....Maaaaan those 35-p's are loud and clear and distance itself from the other two...We even cranked them all the way up and the bass response on these are INCREDIBLE!!! CHEST THUMPING BASS AND CLEAR CLEAN VOCALS.....

The real test comes this weekend at a soca party...Im gonna run them with my yorkvilles and see if it could take some beating for the entire night...Im not gonna lie the first one scared the hell out of me and i was highly pissed off..Seems like the first one was shipped defected...Now im a happy camper,will be even more happy if it pass the 5-6 hour test sat night with the yorkvilles..

Yea looked like it was shipped defected but its kind of hard to believe since it was assembled here in the U.S And they made sure they got that written all inside the box (ASSEMBLED IN THE U.S)...I got them for $1336.84...i did a price match from KPODJ vp member pricing..Only bought one getting the next one from American Musical Supply..

You don't think American workers make mistakes?

I would agree with Al on that. I always use a sub in my P.A. setup - I think there is a huge difference in overall sound quality when adding a sub to modern Dance & Pop music. If you are playing only 50-60s or Classic Rock you could get away with not having one, IMHO.

Just stumbled across this thread after picking up a pair of ETX 15's. I spent a long time A/B testing the ETX 15, KW 152, and PRX 700 series 15.

I eliminated the PRX very quickly. It's light, which I loved, but it only has a handle on one side and sounded like dog s(p)it at high volumes... highs were just ridiculously harsh and the bass started to get thin. The GC Pro helping me said that the 600 series got a reputation as too much of a "DJ" speaker (too bass heavy) and they wanted to thin it out and clarify it a bit for more live sound applications. They failed.

So I came down to the ETX and KW. I have KW181's and 153's, and that's what I use for school dance type stuff or stage events up to 500 or so people. What I was really looking for with this purchase was something for my weddings and corporate events in the 150 person range that I could use without subs to save my back some grief and free up more subs for rental. My [now] previous set up for weddings was a pair of K12's which I paired with a 181 when I was performing for 100-200 people or so, and 2 KW181's for up to 200-250 people.

The KW152's sounded a bit thin compared to the ETX and at limit and the ETX were a little cleaner as well. The KW153's are a bit bright at the high end (I can't even stand in front of the 153's with the limiter blinking) and I found that to be the case again with the 152.

In sound, I gave it to EV no question. The only thing that made me apprehensive at all is the fully digital control on the back of the EV. If that fails, there's no bypass, and the K series stuff has been just so rock solid for me. I own ~18-20 or so speakers and subs from the K series -- K10's, K12's, KW181's and KW153's for rental -- and they're just so reliable.

At the end of the day, I chose with my ears and went with the ETX.

What would be the difference between the EVs live X series back panel vs the ETX back panel... The same or better?

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etx has a led screen for the dsp

if you plan on doing outdoor gigs i'd say the qsc...i'm not a big fan of heat sinks. do the EVs have fans?

Do you guys think the RCA inputs were a good option on the ELX and if it should be on the ETX or its fine without the RCA inputs

RCA Is For Consumer-Level/Beginner Gear. XLR Is For Pro Audio Equipment And Carries A Hotter Signal Plus Is Shielded With Ground.

You are aware the ELX has XLR & RCA? IMO it gives you more options to connect. People who need to use them as a PA, with iPod, or whatever.

You're right, it does give you more options but as you move up the pro-audio ladder in speakers, you'll no longer see those 'features'. You start seeing a product that's more focused on what it was design to do, be robust while providing the best sound, not a Swiss-Army knife product.

I think the ETX is fine w/o RCA inputs. I'd just assume buy the appropriate XLR converter cable if I were wanting to use consumer electronics directly attached to my PA speaker. It's best to go into an external mixer for that kind of stuff so you can control all things from your booth area.

Let's not get it twisted. Pro Gear for decades had nothing but RCA'a & 1/4 connections. Just because they are not what is most used now mean they are any less "Pro". All of these speakers we are buying are Consumer Level. The "Pro" stuff is the concert grade.

If a manufacturer's PA gear was RCA, it's because they had not yet adopted to the XLR standard or quite advanced enough at the time. Look today at how all higher-end PA speakers have Powercon power connectors, yet the prosumer-level GC stuff still runs standard IEC power connections. The IEC's are very standard and convenient because even your desktop PC has IEC power cables but they're not so great on the stage when a performer puts his foot on your stage monitor and the IEC power slides a loose.

I've seen DJ's try and run long extensions of RCA, only to get hum, noise and low volume output. The 1/4" connections are better than RCA in that they're less susceptible to noise, hum, are more robust, plus have larger surface area for the connection. Like RCA, those 1/4" connectors can wear out over time, break and are easy to pulled out. XLR solves those shortcomings because they latch in place.

I'd consider most of the speakers DJ's buy on this forum as Prosumer level. I consider RCA connections on a speaker as a consumer-level feature. Consumers have tape decks, Ipods, tablets, PCs and home stereo with basic RCAs and 1/8" connectors.

+1
You would like to think that everyone on here would have 1/4"-RCA & XLR-RCA cables.
Another benefit to XLR connections is the ground connects first when plugging in, before the signal channels. This helps eliminate interference & distortion and protects equipment.
True Pro Grade equipment uses Speakon, which allows for higher capacity amplified signal and better protection due to the ability to use larger gauge cabling.
RCA connections were not designed to be plugged and unplugged regularly. They are still used in DJ mixers primarily for the space savings and to make it easier to plug in non-pro grade equipment. A proper quality DJ mixer should have all XLR or Speakon connections - but it would be as big as a band board.

No one is talking about running 100' of RCA from a iPod to a speaker. You lose nothing with a standard 3-6' RCA to direct connection a device.

Powercon is becoming more used because you now have one cable instead of two. And that is understandable to evolution of equipment & need.

Ya'll are killing me with this Pro Grade talk. Pro Grade is on a sliding scale. I'll say it again. Pro Grade was RCA at time. The Rane TTM 56 did not have XLR yet it was Pro Grade. The "next' thing will be Pro Grade after that as technology continues to improve.

Everyone that buys high end equipment are not DJ's so they don't have the same requirements. Some people want to plug directly into a source with the need for a mixer.

but it did have balanced 1/4 outputs all you needed was a 1/4 to xlr cable

Exactly. As I said before Pro Grade is sliding scale. Ever changing.

3 to 6'... that's fine for a backyard BBQ where you're got the speaker sitting right near you but what do you do if you have wedding and the bride wants you to use her exact playlist using her iPod or PC for a specific segment?

• Do you use a 3-6' cable and hide behind the curtains with the iPod directly connected to the speaker?

... or

• Do you run a long length XLR or 1/4" cable from your speaker to your main external mixer board where your iPod and all other extra RCA consumer gear can plug into?

The mis-informed DJ would attempt to run, link or even worse, couple 25+ feet of RCA trying to achieve a working solution just because his speakers had the inputs. With that, you'd have hum and noise and your output would low. To me, RCA inputs on a powered DJ speaker has its conveniences only if you're in a pinch. They can't handle long distances that all of us DJ's see.

Who said anyting about doing weddings with an iPod?

Who said anything about long distances?

You are really coming up with some ridiculous examples to try and prove your point.

Bottom line the RCA jacks can be used properly and still sound good.

If the speaker don't have RCA just use 1/4" to 1/8 headphone cable. There are other options. Don't let a speaker not having a RCA turn you away.

I'm giving Real world Examples, not bedroom-DJ Uses.

Why Not Give An Example Of How You Use Your RCA Connectors On YouR ELX's.

when i owned the elx line i never used the rca , i could see a dance instructor using it to play music thru his i pod

LOL I love how some of you talk like you are an authority on things. All you have is an opinion, that has a 50/50 chance of being correct.

Since you asked Ive used my RCA jacks twice. Ioaded mixes on my iPod and ket then play all night. Worked wonderful, sounded great, had zero issues. Got compliments on the sound from other DJs.

I will say this again, everyone that uses these types of speakers are not DJs. As with anything If you use them properly they will perform accordingly.

Just know there will be a day when XLR gets played out and you will say thats not a PRO connection anymore.

i think the rca inputs are genius. lets say you have to trouble shoot or you like have setup music or you are running late getting into a venue (door was locked reception hall staff arrived late) plug in a speaker, your phone/mp3 player and BAM! you've gotten started. if you guys are using turntables and even most ppl who use cdjs have rcas involved somewhere along the line...remind me how this isnt pro grade? either way to each their own...wish my old eon's had them...but those arent pro grade despite them being the most commonly used speaker amongst mobile wedding DJs before the creation of the K series...whatever

Stop making sense. They will say you are not Pro Grade & professional.

lol......stop it

he makes perfect sense, but i would never be in that scenario cause i would never get to a gig late

Like I said earlier... To me, RCA inputs on a powered DJ speaker has its conveniences only if you're in a pinch. They can't handle long distances that all of us DJ's see.

As you go up the ladder in price and quality, you won't see them on PA speakers.

They have a purpose period. How it's used is up to the individual as is every piece of equipment. If used right it will serve the proper purpose.

JBL Eons don't have them...I guess they are better than the ELX. LOL

Naw, they have other consumer-friendly features like Bluetooth: www.bswusa.com

this one here takes the cake, it has bluetooth usb & sd card slot along with rca
1/4 xlr & a remote control doctorwattssoundsupply.com

all jokes aside i'm thinking of getting one for cocktail hour,reception and general things of that nature

and of course i will pull that sign off

LoL... only thing they're missing are the effect lights.
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Short & Sweet:

-Output of the 15P's disappointed me at first blush, and limiter seems very aggressive. Barely had enough volume for a small dance floor outside of a ~100 person event, and it was basically limiting all night. I'm debating returning them, but will try them again with a sub this weekend. I also want to just check and make sure I'm not putting too much stock into how my ears feel at the end of the night. In general, when I use K12's sans subwoofer for smaller events, my ears ring at the end of the night. I do know that the QSC's are a little harsh on the highs and that may be part of it, that the ETX's are just cleaner. So next event, I'm going to just carefully sneak around to the back of the dance floor and see if it's "loud and clean" or just not loud enough.

-RCA connections are fine for short runs--no less professional than anything else. But for longer runs, they're not just un-professional, they're stupid. I'm sure QSC (To be clear: I own and love tons of K series stuff for rental) themselves would tell you it's for a short run only (which for most pro applications means an emergency back up use). However, I've used the RCA inputs myself at times. For cocktail hour at a wedding, I can throw up a K10 on a stick, set an iPod in the top handle, and head back to the main room without a worry in the world.

For longer runs, obviously I'd use a DI box + XLR cable, and I do incorporate that into one of my back up options.

Try it out with the Live preset instead of Music.

I posted in the other thread, I was wondering if music wasn't too much like "deep" mode w/ QSC which limits way too soon to be practical. I didn't know there was a "flat" type setting, so I'll try live.

Thanks!

I find it hard to believe you couldn't handle 100 people with etx15's. What was your eq and your master gain set at?

Yea im going with user error on this one...lol
I have experience with the zlx model and I realized that these speakers are easy to fuckup sound wise due to all the user settings and tweaks also in the ETX models.

For example, the first time I played out with the zlx15 I had to "Reset Factory Settings" because I could not figure out what the hell my boy did to them while he was testing them.
All those additional settings can become a problem if your not careful.

same here I've done 200 people with ev zxa1'a and zxa1 subs

yoooo that think is 8,600 watts, all man meet the ev zxa5 killer

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I love the manual DSP, it will give a much warmer sound.

I'm a trained sound engineer and live sound tech, so user error is not very likely. I'll try again with "live" mode instead of "music" mode (wtf happened to just calling it "flat?") and see what happens.

From your profile we just dont know who you are. You can say you're a lot of things online so for all we know your just a troll. Also if you were a real "sound tech" you have tried all the modes and settings!

EV, JBL, QSC all have their own EQ, DSP settings and I believe you would know or should know that. EV did a great job by giving the extra DSP settings for the average user. JBL doesnt have any of that. Your QSC k12's which I use almost every weekend BTW have three settings for your LF and two for HF. Flat is only for the HF frequency, but you would know that since your a "sound tech".

Real world situation for using the rca input on a powered monitor:
when the dj mixer's booth output only has rca out - dj monitor

Does anyone have more feedback on the EV etx series, particularly the 35p?
I am wondering what the sound and coverage is like & with the narrower dispersion pattern.

I heard that they have a really long throw because of the 60 degree coverage. They sound better then the kw153 a little bit.

They sound better than kw153 by a whole lot...I own the ETX 35-p and they sound amazing..I use them together with the ls 800p and to be honest this is the best my sound system ever sounded (even when i had the zxa5's)

What size rooms are you doing with them?

Medium size rooms using 1 side only...

I bought two of the ev etx 118p . I play in a country band and for live sound these speakers are crap. In aroom 60' × 80' when the drummer hits his kick you can hardly get anything out of these boxes. I can hear the shell of the kick off of the stage over the speakers. Pluss every time he hits his kick they clip. Event with running the output on +4. They handle the bass okay. But not that fast attack of a kick. I think the slue rate in the power amp itself is crap. I get more out of the older elx 118p and they are only 700w vs the 1800w etx 118p. I have them set to live and that just seems to bring the overall volume down. I wish these sounded as good as they looked. If anyone has any experience with running live sound through these please help.

^ i'm gonna say user error, now way does the elx hit or sound better, you need to lean the dap setting there are a lot built in

Not much room for user error. I have been running live sound for over 25 years went to school for sound production back in the early 90s and have had a few refresh courses also I have a good ear for sound. I am using a alises D4 and trigger the kick with that going through a focusright compressor using a midas venus board. Crossing the subs at 100 internally. Not running the gain hot on the kick.

What do you mean by" lean the dap setting"? Is that something I am missing in the settings?

I am also using 4 of the elx tops with 15s and horn.

Fixed
+1, Yep, I agree... user error.

sorry learn the dsp settings

Why are these things clipping so easily? Is there any way to help that? As for the dsp settings. If I could turn the dsp off it would compromise the speakers and internal amp, right?

Im just looking for suggestions guys. I have a big out door gig today and want a good sound. I will be using 2 etx 118 and 2 elx 118 and 4 elx 15 with horn. Its all ive got and I am open to any info you could give me to get the kick out front more. Thanks...

Fyi the ev etx 118p has no way of accessing the dsp to make any changes. Look it up! So your little learn the dsp comment has no leg to stand on.

Im assuming you are all Djs and not live musicians. It is way easier to reproduce recorded sound than live sound.

These subs are crap for live sound unless you had 10 per side.

i'm gonna take a page out of someone else's book, YOU NEED TO READ THE MANUAL


the etx has eq settings that can be changed placement setting delay setting sound settings crossover settings and the list goes on….

so yes you NEED to learn the dsp setting
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reading is fundamental …….read the manuel

or if you think there junk i'll do you a favor and buy the from you, i'll give you $1,200 for both than you can go out and buy two more elx118p's


:)

I agree. There must be something wrong ..... the etx is MUCH better than the elx... I do a lot of engineering..... it's prob some little thing thats being overlooked (it happens).

Try going out buy a drum set put a hi end mic in it trigger it what ever. Tell me if you can fill a room with a nice chest pounding punch. I think not. Well not with these cabs! Sold! Pick up only. Minnesota.

Thanks ancientyouth. Ive spent hours and hours in a casino trying to get the kick out front with these I tried everything I could think of. Crossover point mic placement, compression, eq. I spun knobs and did everything till I was blue in the face. Now I have a pair of pv sp 218s I run 2 qsc 2450s bridge to each one and barley have to bring the fader up on the board and its perfect. I cant get 1/4 of that sound out of these ev's. I am running the crossover at the same point with both setups. Dbx at about 100 and the ev'S internally at 100. Why the big difference?

seems to me that you don't know as much about pro audio as you state you do

if you want chest pounding bass than you a yorkvile ls801p
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but stick around we will tech you & my $1,200 offer still stands……..

:)

good luck at your outside gig……….

;)

so let me get this right, ancient youth tell you the same thing that i do he agrees with me and your thanking him

but me you get stupid with

your to emotional …….like a female! do you always have these female tendencies?

No he had more tact than you!

Mixing different subs... no-no #1
Running four 90 degree tops... no-no #2

na my dude, you just need one of these
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must be that time of the month

but we are just dj's we know nothing about sound…..

are you sure you above post is right? i think i'll call guitar center and ask if you above statements are true

**********it's ringing***********


*********i'm on hold for pro audio*******


i'm gonna get to the bottom of the DJ GaFFle

If you have to call Guitar center you are a fucking retard! Im sending these big pile of shit cabs back. Active cabs suck! Ill stick with my 215 tour x and my peavey sp218's.

see the problem here is that i was not talking to you i was talking to DJ GaFFle, it's an inside joke of witch you have no knowledge………


says the guy who made this statement saying that the live x sub sounds better than the etx sub……..LMAO

"I think the slue rate in the power amp itself is crap. I get more out of the older elx 118p and they are only 700w vs the 1800w etx 118p."


your post speak for them selves ………LMAO

********i'm still on hold******

but ay it's worth it, to speak to a true sound professional

i'm willing to trade you two used live x elx118p sub's

come on, what do you say?

" chickenpicker77 "

i should have looked at your name

man there has been a abundance of trolls around here lately

*********i'm still holding for a guitar center pro*********

obvious user error or troll. im leaning more towards troll.

Anybody else have experience with the new ETX line from EV? I currently have a pair of JBL PRX618S-XLF's and a pair of the PRX615m tops and like them very much but am getting the upgraditus. I have no doubts as to the sound quality of the EV ETX speakers, but will the SPL output AT LEAST match that of my current set up? Looking into a pair of the etx18sp's and etx15p's.

I have spent a lot of time with the ETX line, and own four of the ETX15SPs and a pair of the ETX12Ps. I love them, but I don't know if it would be a significant upgrade. The improvements in SPL or Freq response will be very minimum, but you may like the advantages in the input/output section, and the DSP. The ETX line has a very nice scroll type fan (very quiet) mounted dead over the power supply.

The speakers you have are very good looking and sounding speakers. I made the change from EV-TourX because I was moving from passive to active.

As long as they are able to go AT LEAST as loud as my current speakers, I'll be happy. Biggest reason I'm looking to make a move is how hot my PRX's get during a performance. I'm just getting tired of worrying if they're gonna shut down on me

Why not look into getting a pair of EV ZXA5s...that will certainly give you an SPL increase.
If your subs have never shut down on you, I would keep those and just add a few more to keep up with the EVs

If you are going to make the investment, might as well get additional output out of it instead of a move basically sideways.

Yes this is a sideways step with a downgrade due to increased weight.

So the ZXA5's will play louder than the ETX15p or ETX35p? The ZXA5's are plastic cabinets, correct?

I was under the impression that the ETX line was a step up from the PRX line, at least in terms of sound quality. I didn't think they would be a sideways move.

the zxa5 is THE BEST two way box you can buy period…… in it's price point


for $1,350 there is no better two way box in the market, the sound pressure levels & the bass it puts out is crazy

... but I know it doesn't sound better and doubt it'll play louder than the ETX35P 3-way cabinet.

ahhh huummm

the reason i said "THE BEST two way box you can buy" i made no mention of three way boxes

If your looking to get the etx18sp's get the etx-35p to go with them trust me you wont be disappointed the 3-way tops give way more output and then some with that chest thumping bass that will leave you smiling...I own a pair of the etx-35p but i couple mines with the yorkville ls800p..

Ive been using 1 side in small to medium size rooms and the power is just awesome..The etx18sp also sound good paired with the 35p tops i heard them together in my local sam ash..But to me (my personal opinion) the etx-35-p hit harder with the yorkvilles..But still you cant go wrong with the etx18sp's...

Oh and to answer your question Blackdevil77 the etx set up will overpower your jbl set up in SPL but im hearing a lot of complaints that the etx 15p's limit lights come on real fast..The etx-35p's now is a different story ive yet to see mines come on..At 0db settings on the dsp my 35-p's are loud and crisp clear sometimes i have to dial back a little under 0db..

The ZXA5's may be louder than the ETX15p but not the ETX35p and the sound quality is also better than the ZXA5...

I was strongly considering the 35p's and maybe adding 12p's as side fills and for smaller gigs. I love how the 35p's are pole mountable. Are they able to be tilted downward like the 2 way speakers? At one of the school gigs I play, I'm up on a stage well above the crowd, so being able to point the speakers down is a huge plus.

ahhh huummm

I was just continuing on and finishing your statement on which is why I began it with ellipsis (...)

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^ LOL

this feature is only availible on the ETX-10P, ETX-12P and ETX-15P. Speakers the size and weight of the etx-35p would likely cause stability issues making it easy to tip over.

In this particular case floor mounting would be preferable or you can build your own and mount directly onto sub (as seen on top of these subs)....i26.photobucket.com This will obviously require straps to secure the speaker.
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I see, that makes sense. I'm gonna ultimately want a a pair of 2 way boxes anyway for their size and smaller gigs. The etx18sp's are basically a given if I decide to go with the etx line. The 35p is ultimately going to happen as well, it's between the 15p and the 12p for the 2 way top

There are tilt adapter made for speakers without the option Watchwww.youtube.com.

The ETX12Ps have dual cups. Straight up and angelled. I I am sure the 10" and 15" do also. I can't say on the 35Ps as when I was man handling them onto poles it was a job getting them up and I think there was just one whole.

The 35Ps are a two man mount on poles over subs!!

Yeah I figured that. I meant like is it worth getting the 15p's over the 12p's as far as performance. I can't imagine lifting the 35p's up onto a pole by yourself. You'd really have to hit the gym regularly just to do that

Blackdevil,

I am oldschooldj over on the other forums, so you know.

That name was taken here, so I had to go with my DJ name :)

Oh cool lol, having a bit of deja vu looking at this thread? lol

Why not just get the new prx 700 series? You'll get a fan and to my ears the sound increase is minimal but the weight advantage makes the jbls king in my book.

Ev's sound better

I keep checking for reviews and/or comparisons on the EV ETX, ETX vs. PRX vs. KW vs. VRX etc. There literally hasn't been a single thing posted on them anywhere in the last month or so.

I can give you a thumbs up on ETX over QSC, owned both, but not over JBL. I did not compare the ETX to the JBL, even though the store had both. I just wasn't shopping for the JBL.

I am definetly not a JBL hater, in fact all but two sets of my HiFi speakers in my home are JBL. My daughters home studio has a set of 1987 model JBL 4312A studio monitors (in walnut cabs) that look like they just came out of the box, running off a vintage Sansui amp. I have a set of small two way monitors (JBL4312M2BK) and a set of JBL L100Ts in my living room, running off of a Carver Receiver.

Maybe I should have looked and listened to the JBL active stuff, but three years ago when I bought my passive stuff, the JBLs sounded great but they were so power hungry to produce SPL and the EV-TourX stuff was much more effeceint, with great sound.

Did you notice if the ETX's limit more easily than the QSC KW's?

Never seen my etx 35-p's limit yet....which etx are you pertaining to?

Whichever model equivalent to the qsc like your 35p's vs the kw153 3 way cabs, or or the qsc 18 inch sub vs the EV ETX 18sp

I flash the limit, peak and thermal lights often on my ETX15SPs, but they never limit, because when all those indicators (which are set at early warning levels) come on, I don't increase the volume. I have tested the actual limiter and you will know when you limit the speaker, you will hear the volume reduce and if you go look at the back of the speaker it will have a -4dbu indicator on the LCD.

Everybody thinks when they set the the front light to limit and see it flashing that they are on the speakers limiters, they are not, they are just getting some early warning that they are approaching the limits of the speaker.

The DSP in the ETX line is taking in a signal and putting it through a system of mathematical equations that decides how that signal effects the power to the driver, with heat and excursion factors, then giving you data via warning indicators, before the power ever hits the driver

The QSC 18" sub is on the same level as the ETX15SP, both on size, weight, output and freq response. They both don't carry the same exact number, but are close and I like the sound much more out of the ETX and I had both at the same time to compare.

The QSC 18" will not come close to the ETX18SP, but it is all realitive to what you need. The ETX won't come close to the JTR. So it really is what you need for your customers and venues, what you can afford and what you can lift.

I'm guessing that means the same for the JBL PRX618s-XLF/PRX718-XLF vs the EV ETX18sp. If I had the money, I'd be considering a pair of TH-118's but I just can't justify spending that kind of money for a set-up I'd hardly ever get to use.

I have a gig report on the ETX12Ps. I did a gig for the (soon to be) mayor of Hopkinsville last night from 4:00-7:00 PM. It was just background music and a lot of speaking (mostly 70's to current top 40 music).

The building was the local Pioneer Club, 50 x50 room, tile floors, two walls painted drywall, two walls carpeted. Ceiling 9' sides to 15' center peak, textured drywall. I set the ETX12Ps in two corners on stands at 6' to bottom of the cabinet.

I am not a stand alone tops kind of guy, but for this gig I could have easily used my ZLX12P tops. During set up (nobody around) I cranked the tops just to see what they had and was really surprised. With the corner loading they produces way more low end than expected. I am a big fan of my DXR15s, but the ETX12Ps sounded a little better.

I will tell you without a sub and the tops on full range, there were bass sweet spots in the room, but the speakers covered very well for such a large seperation. They would have carried a dance in this room, but adding one sub would have been what it takes to provide premium sound.

The club president said it was the best sound they had in the room in years and after heariing that this is by far the smallest set up I ever bring out and explaining my thoughts on what should be at a dance gig, he took my full stack of cards. He said customers are always looking for DJs and he is done with all the DJs that bring in bad equipment and play ear peircing volumes with no tones.

ETX18SP RUN AWAY, DO NOT BUY! Inferior to QSC.

I bought one for use with a DJ rig but slated for use in a live rig for bands with ETX35's and ETX18sp, in the first week one of the 35's woofers died. 2 weeks later I got a replacement from EV (I've used it twice since) The sub since day one never had the kick (accurate punch you would associate with 1800 watts) I was expecting and seemed to be flashing PEAK way before it should. I had giged with the sub at maybe 10 shows and seemed to hit nice at lower volumes having to turn the sub gain down -3 -4 to not over power the room with bass in smaller venues, but never had the punch of my Mackie SWA1801's or My B-52 Act18V2's when I was in bigger rooms loaded with people it just didn't have the power needed to drive a giant cabinet like that. It has been 30 days since I made the purchase and 21 days since it arrived to me and I used it for the first time.

I have lots of EV speakers (SBA760's SXA250's TX2152's) for many years and have never had a problem with anything other than wear and tear. I replaced the woofers in the sba760's with Peavey Lomax's after 7 years of heavy use and they sound great. The 2152's had a rattle in the cab but was glued at repair shop under warranty. I have been a fan of EV for a long time but the ETX's have left me with a bad taste in my mouth, 2 down in the first month? EV needs to come out with a version 2 of these asap before they start loosing respect of veterans like me. I would expect this from a low end brand but not from EV.

The power ratings on these are at Peak which means that the sub is only 900 watts of usable power. My older EV stuff was rated at RMS or continuous, so I feel they also duped me buy changing how they advertise their power ratings. The 135db (NO WAY THIS SPEAKER CAN GET THAT LOUD) rating is also calculated not measured so duped again. I have a decibel meter but never thought about measuring it and now it's dead and I don't even want another one. Going with QSC KW181's, cheaper, smaller, lighter, more reliable, 2000 watts peak and louder.

Don't take a chance, I am having to ship back my second EV speaker in less than one month, EV has the plague, run away! Note to EV, only crap speakers advertise power at peak, Behringer, Harbinger, ALto, EV? Never thought I'd see the day EV would stoop so low as to deceive me and deliver an inferior product.

B52 LOL. Cool story bro.

lol, now if he had said rcf i might have believed him! i'm curious is the Mackie SWA1801 one of the rcf italian made mackies?

Maybe he could get the extra star and be Five Star DJ if he could hear :)

Blowing up EV active speakers takes some serious issues with gain structure.

My EV-ETX15SPs out play my KW181 and the ETX18SP crush them and I am not a QSC hater I have owned and used their products with good results.

I will give you that on all my EV active products the limiter lights give you lots of early warning, but I have played my ETX subs with the peak, limit and thermal lights on for well over 30 minutes and never gone into actual limiting or damaged a speaker. When you push it to limit, which I did purposely in testing, you will hear the speaker reduce volume and see a large message on the back that say -4DBU.

Even in EV products you can get bad components. One of my four EV-ETX15SP subs came with the driver retention bolts finger tight. I am a little OCD so all my new speakers come completely apart and get inspected before they ever get gigged.

yea, clearly there are some questionable statements made in that post. So if there was ANY truth here its now all lost.

Laugh as you may the B52's pound hard one active one passive and I replaced the woofers with Peavey Lomax 18's after about 6 years of use. When you clip these however they don't drop db they just cut off until they cool down. Still for under $1,500 for the active and passive it was the deal I could afford in 2001.

I was running the ETX18 at an afternoon event in doors at 10-20% and it just quit in the first five minutes. Lights on, nobody home, it was nowhere near peak or limit. Other than speakers that blow after years of hitting hard I have never blown a speaker until now, and two in two weeks!!!

The ETX35's woofer driver that died just started rattling during a show with a full house but they were not at peak or limit. I am meticulous about not over-driving my speakers, checking limits and fine tuning the EQ on the mixer or turntables routinely when my source changes. When Djing one song to the next the source may be drastically different in it's gain and amount of Bass. With a band the mix typically stays the same until someone on stage feels like adjusting his amp without me knowing.

I hear very well and take pride in having as close to zero distortion and reduced mids so that people can talk at high speaker volumes and also lesson ear fatigue.

For Stars is meant to be the use of the word "FOR" (intended to belong to, or be used in connection with:) not FOUR since I emphasize the Stars as the band, music, or the Crowd in attendance, (especially dancers) not the tap myself on the shoulder kind. So Five wouldn't make sense. I have been playing an instrument, in a band, or DJng for 30 years although some people just have deaf ears from the get go, experience doesn't really mean much if your tone deaf or dial you rig in behind the speakers and punish the crowds ears with high output of 500 to 1khz to compensate for being behind the rig.

After the years of using PA I have never ever had two brand new speakers go down within such a short time. I suspect some quality control from the components. The 15" driver from the 35 is the same model as what's in my Tour-X TX2152's which have been pounded for years with no issues, hence model number does not equal same quality equally, across the board.

I will be using the SBA760's until I can figure out which 18" sub will be extremely loud when I want it to be, accurate and tight at lower volumes and not burn up at a Saturday afternoon Moose Lodge at 12pm with 50 people in the room.

The thing about the ETX rig that I liked was that it fit in the back of my 05 Explorer (Everything in cases or padded covers) with 2-ETX35p 1-ETX18sp 1-DDJ-SX in road case 2-QSC k10, Ultimate TS-100b speaker stands, a couple of Galaxian Lasers, ADJ Mega Bar, Hurricane 1100 Fog, all the cables, Peavey PV10 in road case, table, hand truck, computer, still have room for 2 passengers and see out the back window. This was perfect so I could carry a powerful rig for DJ without having to hook up a trailer.

ForStarsDJ , can you post pics of your setup old and new stuff.

I haven't heard the 35p but I did hear the ETX-18sp and thought it sounded very good. It seemed like a step up from my PRX618S-XLF'S. The rest of the line seemed on par with my prx stuff, but the sub sounded like a step up. I heard it at IDJNow and it was pounding the hell out of the shop and sounded very good doing it. Tight, punchy well rounded bass that seemed to extend lower than other subs in it's class. As far as that audition, I like what I heard.

How do you attach photos?

You would first need to upload them to a site like photobucket.com. Then post links here .

For example i26.photobucket.com

ForStarsDJ,

I was just kidding on the 5 Stars thing, I am an old retired Army guy. I am sorry you have issues with your EV-ETX stuff. ETX is what it took for me to move from passive (which I did keep one EV passive rig) to active rigs.

My thoughts on killing a SMX2151 15" driver, which is hard to do in the active speaker, but not as hard in the passive side, as I have seen several blown due to boosting the bass EQ to much. My experiencing with a woofer when it starts rattling is you don't have very many more bass hits before it dies of over excursion.

I never boost the bass EQ on anything but my studio set up that is played at low to medium volumes. I will adjust the gain on the subs, but the EQ stays flat on the bass side if I am going to push volume, and according to the type music played may be EQed down some.

I usually eq down on my Peavey PV10 (I have Allen & Heath, Yahmaha, Mackie and Behringer X32 mixers but the Peavey has nice warm Preamps that make it a good workhorse for vocals and the effects are great) to the 10-1030 position on mids and highs, 11 on bass and don't usually ever go above 12 unless it's a song I am playing that is a lower quality recording lacking bass. When the speaker pops (I call it cavitation because it's like a rapid change of pressure that overwhelms the ability or limit of the speaker) You are obviously tearing up your speakers usually by over-driving the bass. I did not blow it by over driving it I promise.

Each Mixer has it's own freq sensitivities so from one board to another you may have widely different settings to achieve the same quality in sound. I know an old school sound guy who always tries to adjust my eq to what he thinks is the proper position but he doesn't take into consideration that my equipment and his are not the same and 12 o'clock on mine does not equal the same position on his. Some people you just can't reach! He has a tendency to hurt my ears too. I love to get that warm loud crisp sound without all that midrange that hurts ears and makes it hard for people to have a conversation.

Most DJ's near me don't even use a quality mixer to fine tune their mix prior to sending it to the speakers. XLR out from turntable/controller straight to the speakers, Boo. I notice way to much distortion when doing that, so I always use an external mixer and high quality sound card to lesson the possibility of distorted signal, which also damages your speakers without the popping/cavitation sound.

I have to go hunt down some cardboard to ship off my ETX since I was so sure I wouldn't have any issues with my ETX's I threw away all the boxes, stupid of me in hindsight.

I will try to get pics together for you as soon as I can but I am at home and the studio is a few miles away. I have lots of equipment and run a DJ company with 5 DJ's so I guess 5 Stars DJ should be my company name LOL.

I do Karaoke two days a week then DJ/Live Sound sound the rest of the week, sometime I just DJ between band sets or changing bands. My website is Forstarsdj.com It's not the greatest but it's all mine and there are some pics of some of the equipment but not all. I'll try to add some soon for you guys.

I usually just read the forums but since I've had so much trouble I wanted to share it with you.

Just trying to help, so you know I started DJing in 1974, but have been in and out due to my military career. I have never hurt a driver in a speaker in those 40 years, including any of my home systems.

I did put new drivers in my Klipch speakers a few years back because they rotted out and rather than re-cone them, I received such a good deal on factory replacements, I just bought those.

My reference seeing replacements on the EV 15" driver, is from the ones that have been replaced at Sam Ash Nashville, all due to over excursion.

One thing I have seen from turntable DJs, which my hat is off to those that still use them, you have to be really careful as they can set up a feedback loop/hum that if you are playing modern music very loud, you might not hear. If you look at the drivers, they are about to jump out of the cabinet.

I had one in my studio system not to long ago when I added a new turntable, sound was medium loud but the clip lights were flashing on my amp, and I knew we were not at that high of a volume. It was turntable rumble, that it took a lot of work to get rid of.

Every one of his posts is a story. That tells me alot.

SHHHHH!

there gonna call you old man……….

you know what i'm going to dj with in my old age, DJ Val-BKNY11203 you ready

these will be my subs 60lbs--> www.rcf.it

& these will be my tops 30lbs--> www.rcf.it

that will be my old man dj rig nothing to big or heavy …..WORD

My limit is no single component over 90 lbs, and I am very careful with those lifts, which are my subs. I am fortunate that after 30 years in the Army, I am still in fair shape.

I do require roll in roll out handicap (HC) accessible venues as my daughter works with me and she has CP. This allows me to use carts for everything I do. Three Magliners in the trailer for big gigs, two rock and rollers in the garage for small gigs that get loaded in the van.

I do no gigs that are not HC accessible, no matter what the offer.

I am an old man, just means I can do it as good or better, just not as long as the young fellars :)

man you have to get rid of you're etx15sp cause they are 41.7 kg (91.93 lbs)

thats 1.93lbs over you're limit……lol

Remember your old man statement above :) Well old guys are tricky!!

I took over 7 lbs of casters off them, wallah now they weigh less than 90 lbs. The casters really don't work that well on the ETX15SP because of the dimensions of the cabinet. It is the only thing I did not like about the sub.

The ETX is a very cosmetically pleasing box, but the big blue and stainless casters stand out like a sore thumb. I put a set of sixteen rubber feet on the back, using the caster bolts. It gives the cabinet some standoff when you turn it up on the back to put covers on them. Why 16 because the speaker is heavy enough if you try and skimp with 4, you will tear the rubber feet off.

alllll damn……..lol

ETX18sp update. I pulled out the original driver and tested the amp with another speaker, it worked, retested the original and it's dead. Pushed the cone in a few times softly and there is no rubbing of the voice coil so I concluded that the voice coil failed due to defective cheep China wire.

I put a Peavey Lo Max 18" (pulled from my B-52 cab) in and it's alive. It's also 20lbs heavier. Now if I can get a replacement raw speaker from EV that would settle it and as long as the amp holds out I should be good for years of use.

DJ Val, Your post tells me a lot too, lol. Grandma, make me a sandwich. I perform 4-6 shows a week and have 18 regular gigs a week that my employees and I split on top of private parties and Live sound in Richmond, Charlottesville and Culpeper. If you're trying to intimidate me you can show me where your studio is located that your big time "Internet radio show" is produced. I bet it's a bedroom (Yawn)?

I piped in to be helpful not to sling poo and be counter productive. I wanted people thinking of buying ETX's to be warned that they are not the rock solid EV's of the past. If you own these speakers and they are fine then you are lucky. I on the other hand have had a bad experience.

The drivers in these boxes aren't made in China, they are made in Mexichina :) They are made in an EV/Bosch factory in Mexico, the amps and DSP come from Germany and the boxes are made in the Carolina's.

I hope when you get your sub fixed, and that should not be hard as that driver is in a bunch of their products, you like it. I was literally blown away by a pair of the ETX18SPs and ETX35Ps in a large showroom. My favorite listening set up was a pair of ETX10Ps with a single ETX15SP.

I bought the ETX15SP (x4) because I do more stuff that scales from one to four subs, so having the 18" didn't fit my mobility and scaleability.

Take a Midol, drink some warm tea, and put your feet up. I heard that helps chicks like you when you get cramps.

I don't need to intimidate you...you did that to yourself. Keep telling us about your B-52.

PEA-EV ETX18SP with a Peavey Lo Max 18" OMG it's crazy bad ass, after over an hour in it seems way louder than ever before. Possible the driver was just bad from the get go. This kills!

I am sure that DJ (Mama's Fat Boy) Val has plenty of Midol around, he can borrow from his Mama since she's on the lazy boy next to him! He has such a hard on for B-52 because it's his waist size! You don't know your @$$ from a hole in the ground meat.

Ray, I didn't research where each piece was made but the fact still remains that it died and it had to be a faulty coil at three weeks old. I doubt that a 900 watt amp can blow up the Lo Max?

Pull your skirt down Nancy...your pannies are showing.

Clearly you are the one that does not know anything. And the more you type, the more you show it.

Why don't you post a pic of your set up like Diddy asked for? Or do you want me to post one from your website for you?

Are you Fkn with me? Are you 10 years old? Show me something other than some lame ass internet radio BS from five months ago, if you were all that you'd have your own station. Do you have a special uncle that touched you? You're exactly the reason forums suck, your a cumtard.

On the flipside...you are the reason that these forums are great.

Post the pictures of your set up Nigel. Or should we call you DJ Lix?

Ohhhh so I see you decided to put up new pictures on your website after I called you on it. Great to see how professional your set up is running Virtual DJ.

What website?

Google his site using his dj name. I found it

he has "state of the art bose"

and i quote "This sound system is so expensive, that very few DJs in the country have made this investment in their business. But once we heard for ourselves what a difference it makes - we were in love and knew we had to find a way to provide it for our customers."

lmao……..

@ForStarsDJ this here is the bose killer
hkaudio.us

I still don't see it.

www.fourstardj.com

Based on his Serato forum name "For" "Stars" "DJs"... Google didn't give me crap.

Dude said he does gigs in Richmond and Charlotte. That website you posted says San Antonio.

my bad....lol

Joee is to busy reading all the new RCF spec sheets, he doesn't have time for anything else. Come on Joee, leave the dark side and come back to EV.

Back to the OP, the Peavey driver you have in the box is not a bad driver, but it is not as good as the original EV driver. You just had a bad driver, replace it and see what the speaker will really do.

Once again the amps in these active speakers are a little different than the rack amps we are used to seeing. Don't get wrapped around what you think the amp will produce, it will produce peaks well over the 1800 watts it is rated at, so you can damage a good active speaker if your gain structure is not right.

I am not a fancy turntable'st. Never claimed to be, I have multiple rigs at my disposal so I can swap out speakers or controllers according to me and my employees needs. I also stated that the ETX's I have are slated for Live sound use, for bands and talent shows. I wanted to use them Djing first to get use to their specific characteristics. DJing doesn't require 3-way cabs which have extra fidelity in the midrange for live vocal clarity, also they are less boom'y.

I want to apologize for ruffling any feathers. I take criticism and advice so I can better myself and my work. I am constantly learning. I know a lot about live sound and recording, but I am not a know it all. I pride myself in achieving the best possible sound quality with whatever brand of speaker I have to use.

Ray, Thanks for mentioning "gain structure" I have that under control. I know some of you want to think I just torched the driver, but if it went that easily it sucked to begin with.

After replacing the driver I was floored last night (at my karaoke gig, laugh, but the rent will be paid) at how well it performed without the limit light even coming on, that's the wow factor I wanted in the first place.

lol……...i was a looong time ev user only last year did i make the change to rcf, i just like the clean sound they put out even at the highest sound pressure levels


there just great sounding light weight speakers…..


never ever say that b52's preform better than ev etx………lol

I was about to tell him to mrwgifs.com when he said that and his original claim "ETX18SP RUN AWAY, DO NOT BUY! Inferior to QSC" but im trying to be a nicer pdidy.....lol

Haven't heard the HK, but the SPL specs aren't that impressive ... 120dB at 10%THD? Yikes

This is, as far as I've seen, the only real "slim" replacement of a real PA:
www.k-array.com

If I'm still doing this in a few years, I'll get one of those systems. Don't want to be a hunchback at 45...

im Going to assume you never did any research and looked at the price........lol

if you're looking for a small system that packs a puch--> serato.com

I've seen their prices before. I believe they have speaker bags that are over $600 each. Ridiculous!

Not bad compared to back surgery....

Honestly, at 30-40 weddings per year, I think the cost is easily justifiable if it becomes a physical necessity.

Thanks for pointing that out ... I wasn't aware of it. Talking to my rep already about ordering a pair.

some good prices on hk audio here--> www.ebay.com

The only thing that worries me about the EVOX is the 120* coverage. First it's not really a coverage pattern that makes me thing it's really designed to be used in pairs. Second, the typical wedding environment is one where you want it to be loud on the dance floor, but not so loud at the tables. This would make it loud all over...

At least they didn't mess around with the bass. 21" woofers for the subs. Nice.

@ Rebelguy

hows you boy doing with them hd32? in regards to him liking the 722's better, does he still feel the same after using them for a while?

I've use it for a few small events, it worked very well

Yes sir. He is debating on selling the HD32As and just sticking with the 722s.

How small? Most of the events I do are in the 120-150 person range where the dance floor holds anywhere from 50-75 people and people want it loud, but not ear splitting...

i just can't justify buying a pair of 722's best price i found is $1,296 …while i got a price of $1,269 for the 745 & $880 for the hd32


100 people

the evox 8 is a pleasing sound not harsh at all

True but he already owned the 722s so they aren't a new purchase. I think he assumed they would be an improvement in quality but they just didn't work out for him. They weren't an improvement so no sense holding onto them.

yea…the hd line falls in-between the art 3 & the art 7 series

makes me wonder, why am i finding the 745 cheaper than the 722 when the 745 seems to be a better speaker

I'm curious why the 722 has a higher wattage than the 745.

good point the horn in the smaller 722 is showing 50W more

745 spec

Total power:1400 W PEAK
High frequencies:400 W PEAK
Low frequencies:1000 W PEAK
Total power:700 W RMS
High frequencies:200 W RMS
Low frequencies:500 W RMS

722 spec

Total power:1400 W PEAK
High frequencies:400 W PEAK
Low frequencies:1000 W PEAK
Total power:750 W RMS
High frequencies:250 W RMS
Low frequencies:500 W RMS

Maybe just an updated, lower powered amplifier module. I doubt that they are putting a true 250 watts on the highs, but if they are maybe during testing they found that the 4 inch horn became obnoxious with the extra 50 watts. Who knows.

Got a quote of $6400 on the KR102 ... soooo tempting

Anyone in the DC Area want to buy some ETX 15p's?

LOL.......Yea I figured you would change ya mind after you saw the actual price of $16,599 for the kr402
www.theavspot.com

Eh... guessing the "real" price on it is more like $12k if retail is 16+. It's expensive, sure, but it's not that bad for what is effectively 4 high end boxes. I think the KR102 is probably enough sound for me, though, working mostly 100-150 person weddings... generally 200 max.

Still waiting on a quote for the RCF, though, and also trying to figure out a way to demo both of them without pissing off my rep if I decide I don't like either...

the evox 8 list for $1,799 i paid $1,350 i can point you in the direction of the people i buy from but the will charge you 5% more
your going to like the evox!

what is your weight limit , i think you will like this also

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it

www.rcf.it



i demoed this system at this years dj expo it wasn't anything the the evox can't do it's not worth the price difference IMO $6,000 vs $3,000 & the evox is more mobile as it all fits in one bag

yea im pretty sure the KR102 would be adequate for wedding events.....

Now if I were to go for one of these hi end "Bose styled" low profile skinny speakers it would absolutely be the RCF NXL24A.... $2,399.00 retail (approx $2000 street)

Being that im a Party DJ who plays events at Club volumes aka LOUD, I would need the additional output compared to a wedding dj.
www.rcf.it
Watchwww.youtube.com
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you could even use this

X 2

www.directproaudio.com

+ X 2

www.directproaudio.com

but the evox 8 would still be my first choice knowing it capabilities & already have used only one for a 100 person even

k array is the hi end lamborghini of speakers so you will get taxed 2-10x the going rate for the bragging rights, but their compact low profile technology is no joke.....

theres just no way in the world i would buy this


when for a few dollars more i could buy you exact setup of 4 vrx tops & 4 vrx subs

excuse me not a few dollars more….actually less

my price for VRX932LAP - $2,050/ea & subs VRX918SP - $1,550/ea

^^^exactly...

Joee,

I love your post but I only have one dig on you, if your price can not be had by others, the only reason to post it all the time is to boast.

If you really want to help these guys, get them your price, or give them the price they can buy it at (from your source), which is very hard to do (I know) because you don't know how they plan to buy (cash saves vendors about 2-3% over credit cards).

I do let people know when asked what I pay, and that there could be a slight difference in their pricing as I buy a lot from my source. I do pay tax on all my purchases, so there is a tremendous mark up if I can buy at a good rate and still pay 6% sales tax.

unless they plan on spending 20K a year there not going to get my prices


i'm still doing them a service, try to find a evox 8 for $1,417 shipped anywhere else


so you did the same exact thing that your "dining" on me about :)


at the end of the day i'm helping people out & I've referred plenty of people that have made purchases & paid less than they would have on there own …..perfect example someone just got a evox system & the actually paid less than me….lol

go figure he got a call back and was informed that there were sold out and the only thine that was left was a demo unit..he got a even bigger discount

@ rayjthedj

just realized you probably didn't see this

No hate here brother, and no I didn't see the above post. I actually butted heads with my supplier the other day because he didn't properly take care of a customer I sent him.

I reminded my sales person, that a sale to a customer at what I buy at, still has profit, where no sale has no profit. If I am doing the work to get the customer to him focused on a product, and asking for no kick back for it, then he needs to take care of the person and make the smaller margin and move on.

Even though the majority of my life was spent in the military (27 years Army) as an attack helicopter pilot (Vietnam Era Cobras, yes I am old, and Apaches), I did spend the last five years in retail sales. I was a government sales rep for one of the largest, single store, John Deere dealerships in the nation (they did 150 million a year in sales), so I have a good understanding of sales and financing.

While only being a strong hobby DJ, I am very familiar with Pro Audio, and love to help other people buy the right equipment, at a great deal, no matter what the brand. Well let me put a note on that last statement; I am not a Gemini, Pyle, Pyramid, Behringer or Alto fan, even though I own three Feedback Sharks and one Alto Stealth Wireless.

Interesting... I wonder how something like this compares to a ZXA5, RCF745, or other solid 15" powered speaker. I'm on the lookout for a kick-ass powered top that'll pole mount and hang with 4 Danley TH-118s. ;-)

Gaffle,

I don't think you are going to find a single 15" that will hang with your subs, as you have stepped out of the mid range gear market with your sub purchase. So it is time to step out of the same market with your top purchase :)-

In my opinion, you need a good quality three way top to play with those speakers, even a dual 15" top won't sound as good, more than likely won't pole mount and will be much heavier than a good three way top.

Or step up to the Danley tops that match four of those subs. I know an ETX35P will keep up with four ETX18SP subs, but I don't know that it will keep up with your four subs clustered at high SPL levels.

Having just finished my 2013 taxes, it was about $130k in 2013. 2014 has been a slower year for purchases but not exactly sure how much.

Still waiting on a Evox price, so we'll see... A lot of the pricing you can get depends on how much of a given brand your particular rep/dealer sells. If he sells $5MM of RCF per year and $200k of EV per year, you're gonna get a much better deal on RCF stuff.

pricing came in pretty good on the EVOX8, but the caveat is that I can't demo it, and can't return it unless it's defective since it'd be a special order item...

Joee how much am I going to like this thing? Output-wise is it at least as much as, like, a pair of K12's w/o sub?

quoted from the evox thread

"yeah, I agree with Joee. I actually had k12's and one kSub. I now have the Evox 8 system. Evox has a very clean, fuller sound."

@ GoHoos

have you watched the video in the evox 8 thread?
serato.com

I didn't see the $1417 shipped # ... only 5%+ ... that may actually be a bit cheaper than I was quoted if I have to pay for shipping ... where can I get it for 1417 shipped?

actually hell yeah ... i'm paying 6% sales tax too if i buy it here + shipping will definitely be more than 1417

give me a minute, waiting for him to hit me back

GoHoos

check your pm

@ GoHoos, if you get please go into the evox thread a post your impressions on the system

serato.com

@ rayjthedj

did i just help him out?……..lol

Either of these should work.

www.rcf.it

www.jblpro.com

^ damn you guys over here looking @ $4000 & $5000 a piece tops,to rich for me

The TH-118s are around $3000 per sub not including amps and processing. Might as well have high quality tops to go with them.

The TT5-As would probably be around $3500 ea. Not sure about the JBL VPs.

I'm a fan of the TT5-A's... the JBL's don't pole mount. You have to get an external pole mount kit for them.

Wow those JBLs are super legit. Damn 85 lbs?! Obviously they wouldn't be for mobile DJs right? Most likely a club install?

The TT5-As would be a good match for the Danley's it would seem. This would be the new modern version of the ZXa5 killer but at double the price it should be.

3 to 4 ETX 35-P will handle them 4 Danleys....

dispersion angles become an issue when using multiple tops.
My advice is get two tops and that's it

The RCF NXL24A is stackable, scalable and arrayable so it will work well in multiples. Its stackable height i26.photobucket.com also provides better coverage than the other options and is very versatile www.rcf.it and it even has a nice little carrying case :)
i26.photobucket.com

That case looks dope.

I'm waiting for Joee to buy these...

www.rcf.it

liking that caring case. So often I see folks with multiple tops. one per tripod and not only does it not look professional but the sound suffers as well. They do look sharp (RCF NXL24A). Now just to hear them

at $12,000 per side im guessing he will skip these ...lol
Watchwww.youtube.com

which is exactly why i switched to array-able tops.......that 4 speakers on 4 poles was not an option for me.

nice set up pdidy. If you need more sound just add speakers, very scalable rig. Another plus that i see is a one man job to set up and break down.

I thought adding boxes line array doesn't necessarily add volume to the overall sound but simply allows you to project farther in the vertical plane.

They are only $8950. It's a steal. Haha.

have u heard them rebel?

according to sound engineers this is true but there is a increase in ambient volume most noticeable while indoors. But with a box as loud as the vrx932lap, you will only need additional boxes to project farther distances because people within the targeted area will not want or need more volume.

Nope but I've heard good things about them.

at nearly 10k a side, you better hear good things about them...

How many people can that rig do at club level volume ?

you sir do not lie


well let me hold a quick $17,900……lol

If you're using multiple tops side by side they need to have no more than a 60 degree horizontal dispersion pattern. Cabs with 90 degree horizontal dispersion pattern will not work well, there would be crosstalk, comb filtering and general muddy sound.

So can i use my 2 ETX-35p's side by side? I plan on getting 2 more and also 2 more yorkville ls800p's

yes

Coverage (Nominal -6 dB) H 60 °
Coverage (Nominal -6 dB) V 40 °

and you don't want to the them straight like in my avatar …..you want to angle the boxes a little one to the left the other to the right

Do you think a pair of ETX-35's could keep up with 4 ls800p's per side?

My educated guess is YES for OUTSIDE and bass heavy events.

For inside I would say 6 ls800p would push 2 ETX-35 to their limits when playing bass heavy.

6 for inside? i don't know man wouldn't want to push the EV's to their limit i think i would feel safe with 4.....Thinking of getting 2 more ETX-35's and 2 more yorkies.....I want to run 2 of the ev's with 4 yorkies per side....

That should give you a lot of sound for indoors - probably more than you would need for most gigs, really. Outside would be good for at least 2-300 with a club like level on the dance floor or front of stage. EVs are rated at 136db and the Yorkvilles at 140db (on paper) - that is a lot of volume for some small, powered boxes.

Also, I'd recommend getting the subs first and see if you need the additional tops. The biggest benefit would be a wider coverage pattern, not necessarily a much higher SPL.

Very good suggestion, it takes a lot of bass to keep up with really good tops. I would get my bass where I need it then buy tops as required.

I see more mistakes made with speaker placement than anything else, and when these mistakes are made you end up with twice the speakers to get the same or worse sound than you could have if you would just place your speakers properly.

I should have made this suggestion in the above post. Buy the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook and spend the same amount of time reading and studying it, that you spend online in these forums and your sound will improve dramatically. You will also spend a lot less money getting the right sound.

You know i have that book laying around the house (god knows were)...I m gonna try look for it and start reading it...thanks raythedj

Not sure if this question/comment belongs here.. but I am a big fan of both EV and QSC... I am in the market for a new ETX set up, looking for a recommendation on either 2 - 12's with 2 - 15" subs or should i go 15" tops and 18" bottoms? Most mobile parties are no larger than 500 people. First post on this forum so please don't crucify me if I am in the wrong! Thanks..

Are you a wedding dj or a party dj ? If you are a party dj, what is you primary age range and music type ?

Neither system is designed to handle 500 people on a dance floor, for that you will need additional speakers....Do you have adequate transportation for this ?

i think a lot of us don't take this into consideration

i may have a 300 person wedding with only 100 to 150 fitting on the dance floor, very different than a night club other event where the entire venue is a dance floor


most all the events that i do i only look to fill the dance floor to give you that night club feel only on the dance floor while still having quieter areas to sit relax or converse

Fyi, just to give you a clear idea of whats generally required for a "Party Dj".......

my current system is designed for 500 people on a dance floor. It consists of 4 tops & 4 subs. i26.photobucket.com

Your mileage my vary....

Very nice setup! I so have a trailer so transportation is not an issue.. i am upgrading from 4 518s subs and 2 ev sa250 tops.. although i agree that all 500 won't be dancing I think I'll go with 15 tops and 18 bottoms I'll be safe for most my events. I can always add on! Thanks for the input guys... next question best priced retailer?

I use proaudiostar.com because you can negotiate pricing. so whatever the listed price is you can get much lower.

with that in mind i would probably do two 18" and two 12"

you can always add two more 18" and 15" later


...big system four 18" and two 15" …..little system two 18" and two 12"!!!!!!!

yup …Lman11, check your PM

Have u ever heard them?? or u just know? I have the ETX 12p and the 15sp sub and when set right they blow...What setup r u working with?? Not trying to beef just asking my dude.

You right,,but if u play with them a 100 people is nothing on the ETX 15ps with no bottom..Grown and sexy crowed not kids..just saying i think so not starting nothing dude.

for 500 people ive heard 4 jbl prx 715s and 3 yorkville 18 bottoms. it was loud enough but unbalanced. from point of view no more than 300 were on the floor at any given time. it was mainly ol school r&b, hip hop and 70s stuff played.

Unbalanced in what way?

500 ppl is a lot. 300 ppl is a lot on the dance floor depending on the venue.

Just curious about two different subs. Qsc kw181 vs ev etx15sp. I'm getting mixed answers about which one is better overall. Both boxes size are almost identical. Very close in weight. I'm hearing both are pretty much on par with sound and output. Can somebody verify this? Thanks.

1 KW 181 will out do 1 ETX 15"p hey it's a 15" vs a 18" i have 2 ETX 15"p's sub and it go's low....

I appreciate your response. I heard etx18sp a few weeks ago and i was stunted on how clean and loud it sounded. The guitar center where i live will not carry the 15sp version, only speical order. I do like the dsp options.

how's the weight on those etx 15's? are you able to handle them solo?

It's real good and they come with casters very easy to handle

The DSP is the best thing about this sub i like i don't even have to hook my driverack up to it...and the crossover from the sub is solid...

I owned both KW181 and ETX15SP, I compared them for a long time in my own listening environments, with all my own equipment, not at a store.

Both speakers are great speakers, however the ETX15SP out performs the KW181 both on paper and in real world listening. Is there a big difference, NO, but the ETX goes lower and sounds better, a little more punch and impact.

I think the KW181 would be able to outperform the ETX15SP had they put it in a larger cabinet. It has a good driver and amp module, but flattens out when pushed.

I only own the ETX now.

a new speaker for you ray--> serato.com

No Sir, that would be backing up. I have a great stable of ETX now, and still use my DXR15's a lot.

I have been talking to the engineers at Bosch/EV on some tweaking I have been doing in my ETX DSP and they told me about the new line. I think they will replace ELX. My thoughts are they will be a lot like Yamaha did with DBR and DXR.

The new line will share a lot of the design aspects of ETX, with more affordable drivers and amp modules.

See like I said Joee, they are the new ELX with DSP.

yes sir, you sell the zlx & but the new ekx

than all your speakers will be in the new e line
see above statement

Yeah....no. I'm not on gear whore status.

it's not gear whorin when you only have one set, it's upgrading

I am keeping my pair of ZLX12Ps. I don't use them with my ETX subs anymore, now that I have a set of ETX12P and 10P tops. The ZLX does get used often for ceremony fills or the ceremony rig for weddings.

I can play the ZLX for hours off my Duracell Powerpack (battery with on board invertor) and wireless set up.

I do a lot of weddings at Carriage Houses and upscale wedding barns, and the ZLX is perfect for the ceremonies in the Gazebo Area.

Agreed, but aside from the DSP do I need them if they are essentially the same speaker? Given My ELX are just one year old.

it may be the same speaker but given the DSP they might sound better & they also look better than the elx IMO

Meh...that's lateral move. If I'm going to replace, I will step up a notch or two.

you need some of those evox 8's…….lol, they definitely sound better

Yeah....no! LOL I'll work for the Evox13. ha ha

Man did u dudes see the new JBL'S OMG they just shut everything down.

How did they just shut everything down? Nobody has heard them yet?

I'm glad I've caught this talk about the new EV ekx series here. I was planning to buy some new tops tomorrow. I think I'll wait on this new line to be release. EV website says ekx series will be out this Spring. I wonder what the price tag gonna be for the ekx12p? I see there are new subs as well.

I think the EKX12P will MAP (minimum advertised price) will be around $799.00. As they become readily available and initial orders for stock get filled, they will come down.

Cool ! Ive always wanted the etx model, but its out of my budget. These ekx line is definantly in my reach. Ekx looks like they have better drivers than elx live x. Can't wait to see and hear these.

They have a 3inch driver now what other speaker is touching that?..But u right NOBODY"S heard them YET!!! lol

If these jbl's are what they clam to be i'll sell u my ETX for a very good price.(ETX 12p) not the 15' subs they ah killer lol

the RCF Art 745-A with it's 4" driver

www.rcf.it

I"m talking 12" dude

I believe the RCF HD-32A has a 3" driver as well.

www.rcf.it

Great speakers but both of them are plastic boxes.

ok gaf & jam

heres a 12' with a 4" driver in a wooden box
www.kpodj.com

^sorry 12" with a 4" driver

dammit did it again…..lol

^sorry 12" with a 3" driver

I was scheming on getting those but that price is outlandish.

$3700 bro....not even in the same conversation

Dammm

The Powered SRX are very interesting.I'm very impressed with the SRX835P with a 60x40 horn meaning you can use 2-3 per side without breaking the bank...The SRX835P should be slightly louder than the ETX-35P with that 3" HF driver.

But EV will probably have a warmer sound as usual and currently costs $100 less.

Powered SRX have JBLs HiQnet Network control options via iOS and Android applications...DSP control via smartphone or laptop is impressive too

Here's my bet on their head-to-head A/B:

Both will have the best sound mobile DJ's can expect from tops due their 3-way design. The EV's will seem warmer (more like a smiley-faced EQ sound) and perhaps more bass heavy due to that smallish 1.25" high driver and the crossover points leaning more heavily on its paper-cone mid and low drivers . The JBL's will have much better vocal presence; they'll especially seem to project farther with those vocals and be able to cut through bass-heavy sub setups with those 3" high drivers. THAT's the type of top I'm looking for. I'm just hoping the amps and speaker combo they've put together will be thoroughly tested and defect free. I'm not even stressed by the lack of Powercon connectors. At least their IEC's lock and I'll have less reason to stress leaving Powercon's at home by mistake. The JBL's are 9 lbs lighter too. Both are monstrously heavy being over 80 lbs but you won't even need a sub on many gigs with these speakers.

I think my above A/B opinion will generally be the same across their entire line of tops.

Well said.

Way old topic but I wanted to chime in on the EV ETX15p's that I bought when they first came out. I received one of the first shipments and was so excited to use these. They looked and sounded great when I tested them at home. Packed with features, gorgeous box and 2,000 watt claim. Took them to their first gig (80 degree outdoor gig in AZ)... These things cut out on me all night and overheated at a low volume. My input gain never exceeded +4 db. I couldn't even turn them up to the same volume my QSCs play at without them flashing LIMIT at me the entire night. I worked with the EV rep to make sure all my settings were good and they finally had me send them back and sent out replacements. The replacement set I took to the following gig and I had the same issues. In thousands of gigs with my QSC's I've never one issue of overheating or cutting out and I've pushed those things hard. It's my final conclusion that EV seriously screwed up the DSP settings as well as not putting in a fan. Stay far away from the ETX line. Thankful I was able to get my money back and invest in the new EAW 15s with Crown xti4002. Headroom and volume for days. I have video of the ETX DSP in meltdown mode and can post it on YouTube if anyone cares to see it. EV looked at it and didn't have a solution. It's a damn shame too because that box is truly beautiful but the reliability and volume level is atrocious.

I've heard the same issues with the subs etx18sp, my local Guitar center stopped carrying them because too many people returning them due to overheating, one guy brought one back because he claims ev had so much bass, it shook loose the dsp panel on the back causing a rattle. I never thought the tops was having issues, thats interesting to hear.

Please post a link to your videos. What model eaw's did you purchase?

What settings did you have the speakers on?
Were the speakers in direct sunlight?

also were they out in the open or up against a wall?


I've used elx115p's summertime outdoors with out issue & that have no fan

WOW i did like 12 gigs with my 15ps and they rocked..I just did a small back yard BBQ and took 1top (12p) and 1 sub (15sp) the bass was hitting hard and i played from 4pm till 2am in +3 db and they never overheated at 1 time i was even asked to turn it down at one point...i own Yorkvills rcf fbt and ev's and this 15sp sup goes Low i love it.

Please post that Video...I can't be leave it mines work real good.

youtu.be
That is what is would do all night and if I turned up my master at all (input gain) it would shut off the speaker for 5-10 seconds. It also would flash TEMP at me all night. There was no distortion or anything. The speaker should have way more headroom then they have. When speaking with EV, we tried everything including keeping the master gain at +0 DB. My Rane 62 was pushing a nice and clean signal. I've been djing for almost 20 years and know how to properly set up a gain/signal structure.
I've done 1000s of gig with smaller QSC k12s and never had one hiccup, overheat (in 110+ degree AZ outdoor temps). With QSCs, you can tell when you are pushing them to the point of getting muddy or distorting but they keep on playing with out reliability issues. These ETXs were not even as loud as the QSC gets when it distorts. Not even close. They actually sounded very good but how can you trust a speaker that flashes at you the entire night and shuts off. Makes you look like a fool.

I'm not saying QSCs are the be all end all in this category but they sure got the reliability thing down. I ended up getting my money back and getting some passive EAW tops with an XTI 4002 crown amp. Blows both out of the water.

Setup while the sun was going down so they only played at night. Direct sunlight was not a factor. But then again it shouldn't be a problem compared to the beating I've put k12s through.

EAW VFR159i 15"

something isn't right the speaker kept giving you the pre clip warning , i see the speaker was set to no sub, did you have the bass cranked up?

No straight up and down on the eq and gain on the 62. Signal was clean. You can see what my input gain was on the bottom left of the DSP.

almost makes me thing you have a faulty unit

I've pushed the hell out of the elx115p a speaker thats not as loud or good as your etx15p

I've had the white gain all the way up and the red gain set @ 2 o'clock
www.electrovoice.com

with every line and master signal of the rane 62 as high as i could put it before it hit red & I've never had one single issue at all

I've heard that about that model as well and I have the same experiences with k12s.
Remember, I had a replacement set sent out and had the same exact problem. So EV is 0 for 4 in my mind. The 2000 W claim is laughable.

You'll find a few other similar reviews about this issue on other sites. I just wanted to give my experience because a few of the guys that said they were having problems with the ETX line were getting scoffed at by other posters.

I just watched the video. Might help to lower the output gain, it was set on +3db. Bring it down to 0 , maybe as low as -2db, that should help with the pre clip warning. May even sound better. Never good going over unity.

this is a common misconception , 2000W is the max power output of the amp


the speaker itself is more like 400W and the horn probably 40W, the same goes for most all other speaker manufactures also, do you think the 12" & the horn in the qdc k12 can rally handle 500W each

Trust me, we tried everything as far as the different gain settings in order for me to get any sort of high volume out of the. I spoke to countless EV engineers. Although I was pretty happy with their customer service it seemed like I was the guinea pig of the testing process with these. I had these over a year ago and no longer have them thank God.

I'm guessing user error. If you got them when they FIRST came out, then perhaps your issue was due to a bad early batch from the manufacturer.

Yet you think 2000W is really 2000W when it comes to powered speakers.

Either a lack of RTFM on your part or your unit(s), including the replacements, were truly bunked. You seem to be happy with EAW's now. I'm not sure I'd go with passives for tops unless my subs were also passive and the tops offered far more than what I could find from their powered equivalents.

I was more or less making a statement regarding these powered speaker companies and their wattage wars. Why claim double the wattage as your competitor and touring grade components when it's false?

Plus EV literally told me that these were 2000 watt and not 1000 rms 2000 peak. They said the etx should have twice the wattage of the qsc k series.

"2000 W Class-D power amplifier with integrated FIR-Drive DSP"

those are the specs for the etx15p amp module

but the components are the same as the tour x 15" smx2150 15" driver & DH3/2010A compression driver


the etx15p is basically a powered version of the 500W speaker
www.electrovoice.com

I smell all kinds of fishiness. He never did say which DSP setting the speakers were using.

Honestly don't remember the DSP mode. You mean like "live" mode or whatever? Probably used just the standard playback DJ mode. Shouldn't have anything to do with it. I posted the video. What fishiness? The speakers were garbage.

Don't you think I wanted to like these? I spent over $2000 for a set of speakers that I had high hopes for. Planned to use them as upgrades to my k12s and they turned out to be duds. I just wanted to state my experience with them in support of the other people that had the same issues.

I think we'd hear much more about them faltering on the web if they did have issues. Dudes like DJ Jest Jamm would have a video on Youtube letting the world know if they were "garbage". I don't doubt that manufacturers slip on the quality controls as I've personally experienced it (JBL PRX 635's). It just seems a little fishy, for what I'm assuming was "a pair" of replacement units, to have the same fault as your originals. Especially you summing up that the clean output 'wasn't close' to that of a K12.

LMAO he said DJ PLAYBACK MODE!

I don't even have the speakers but I know what the modes are. I even know based on all the previous reviews how much of a difference the mode makes when trying to get a high output.

You were probably right. He needs to RTFM.

Dude I'm done here. I'm giving real world frustrations I had with that model and you want to be a keyboard tough guy. Go ahead buy the ETXs. Hope you have better luck than I did. Yeah I read the fucking manual. Spent hours on the phone with the guys that engineered the speakers. Countless emails and phone calls with the SW EV rep. The speakers were bunk. 2 sets in fact. My input settings were all good.

Wiat don't go. We don't have to talk about speakers. You can tell us about your 20 years of DJ experience. But ummm your Facebook page 12 years DJ experience. So tell us which one is it? www.facebook.com

I like this pic too. Nice laptop stand. www.facebook.com

Thanks. Forgot my laptop stand at that gig but thanks for noticing. Bought my first set of techs in 97 so I consider that when I got my start. Started out before that on some radio shack gear lol. Why the pissing contest? Peoe have bashed anyone on this thread that had issues with the ETXs.

And I haven't updated that page in ages.

No bashing this is just what we do around here. Things don't sound right...we call out the I-Team and dig deeper.

LMFAOO The mode dose mean something with these speakers...Well not to be rude but QSc can't touch the ETX in no way the 10,12,15 or 18 i heard them all and i know powered speakers i fucked with all of them
...i'm just sorry u ran into some bad ones mines is great!!!

It's ok man u got ya money back Mr go back to them 1998 K12 lol

Where's this Video???

U got to love this dude.

The video link is up above jest jamm

LOL...True.....

@DJ Groove Tech
This is a public forum so anybody can pretend to be anybody so over the years many of us active forum members have grown to be Private Investigators whenever someone triggers our spiddy senses. We have fake djs who allegedly oun fake gear and make fake claims so we actively go after them to determine if they are real and if "they no there shit". So when someone makes a claim that contradicts 99% of all other users it's seen as a big red flag.......

It takes time to build a reputation as a "trusted user" around here so don't take it personal.

Can you post a link to any and all of these discussions so we can look into it ?

He most likely got a bad batch..When i first got my etx 35-p i gotten the first batch that was sent out to sam ash stores...when i got home and first played them right away i new something was wrong...the speaker was distorted and sounded like the highs and mids were blown..

Took them back to sam ash and got replacements..
never had another problem since..but i do find it strange on other sites they are alot of complaints for the etx 15p and the etx18p in terms of early limiting...

Wow, and some cats were SERIOUSLY trying to get me to get that one....

Chalk one up for REAL LIFE experiences....

***dead*** lmao...

I'm sayin' tho.....

I'm proud of y'all, I swear....lmao.

awwww man JM is rubbing off on you with that investigative work…….lol

12 year experience huh……in one of those pics he barley look older than 12


ummmm NO


you demoed it and said "it was loud" you had no problems with it did you

How did I miss all this?

What day was this again?

Lets keep in mind this is one person experience

Right, that's the first Powered speaker I've EVER Demo'ed.

I didn't have anything else to compare it to as a reference.

So when you told me the ZXA5 is much LOOOOOUUUUUUDDDDEEERRRRR...

Mind = **Blown***

EXACTLY, versus 1 PERSON who owns them who seems to be having a GREAT experience with them...

what if i told you a 12" rcf hd32 was also louder than the etx15p?

^^^Truth^^^

who just jamm? man he owns every speaker on the planet……..lol

I wouldn't care....as it's a 12". LMAO.

Exhibit B....

Hmmmm......

lol

I'm'a give you one of these…..lol
freddythedaddy.files.wordpress.com

And again, it's ONE person vs. ONE person, and now you have someone else, who ALSO received a "Bad batch", returned them got another set and is NOW good.....

So you've never seen the post where people had to have their woofers replaced in the zxa5 because they've blown?

I own a pair of yamaha dxr8 a pair of yamaha dxr12 and have owned a pair of yamaha dxr15. This weekend a woofer in one of my yamaha dxr12 blew and it's looking like i have to send it in for repair under the 7 year warranty. Does that make the dxr a bad speaker. When you deal with pro audio equipment you're going to have failures in some capacity.

Sure have, and have gotten in depth explanations for them as well....

All of them were USER ERROR.

Wanna link? Well here it go -> serato.com

PS....Joee, you might wanna tell 'em...

And in a LOT of situations, it's USER ERROR as well....

So you can't attribute the problems the guy had with the etx to user error?

no he has 20 years experience ,it's a bad speaker yup thats it them ev's suck


that's why i made the switch to rcf……lol

I used to blow JBL 600 Watt 2240/41's before a lot of you were even BORN, and couldn't figure out what the problem was...

I wasn't OVER powering them, I was using a Peavey CS 800 at the time, which couldn't have been more than 220 Watts RMS.

Jawns were blowing like every 3rd or 4th party, and I was doing like 2 parties a WEEK.

Then I learned about distortion.

And how to properly bridge an amp, and how those speakers are designed to handle HIGH wattages, but the input HAS to be clean.

So after learning that I can put 800 CLEAN watts into a woofer and not have to worry, versus 220 dirty watts, AND exponentially increase my bass output, I was then crowned KANG of the portable Club Systems.

All that being said, that there IS a LEARNING curve for a lot of this stuff....and I haven't blown a speaker since....

^ talk about under powering

It could be EITHER OR.

My point is that you have 1 person on here who has NO issues, and ANOTHER person on here who HAD issues....

Neither one is basis enough to either BUY or NOT buy the speaker...

That's my point.

You need more people, either one way or the other.

Right, but back then, you'd think, "Oh, 200 Watts WON'T blow this speaker, it's 600 Watts...RMS...

It's definitely more common for people that have problems with something to complain or seek help than the people that have no problems....just a thought

Ok, so now you're factoring the entire world of speaker buyers....which is cool...but out of scope.

BUT..

I specifically said that HERE, we have 1 PERSON who's had a GOOD experience, and 1 PERSON who's had a BAD experience.....

And 1 who had BOTH...

You need more people...either way.

cool

funny how that works, you can blow a speaker faster by give it less power vs giving it more power than it's meant to handle

Most cats that underpower run into clipping. Clipping kills drivers.

Man listen!!!!!!!!!!!!
You were a pro back then also. You should have known better. Should of had some macrotechs on dem bitches.

Feed dem more poooowwwaaaaa Dj-johnny-vega-1

Right, but that DC current is a mo.

Dude, this was PRE-Macro Tech ERA...

www.djjohnnym.com

Unfortunately, I was not ALWAYS as great at PA power as I am now....but I forged through!

This was WAY before the Easy Breezy way of "Bridging" amps today...

You know that you had to make wire SPECIFICALLY if you wanted to bridge a CS-800, right?

None of that having the Binding Posts right next to each other and being able to just use Banana Clip simple stuff they have now.

It was like, if you wanted to Bridge, you HAD to know your stuff, or you'd only be getting 1/2 of the power....

Old skool cs-800's with the pull-out comp. gain knobs. Won plenty of battles with those. Solid workhorse they were till they would get up in age and start dropping output transistors. I got real familiar with the schematics on those, and kept bags of outputs at home

Boom!

They were WAYYYY ahead of their time. All modular.

Cats these days will NEVER know (unless they go passive), what a labor of love you had to have for the art to know all this stuff...

Remember what troubleshooting steps we had to do if a "side" went out vs. what they'd have to troubleshoot TODAY if need be?

Man listen....

Cats have the luxury today of not even needing to know the difference between (+) and (-).

you mean like when someone gives you a review & the give you positive or negative feedback

:-D

Exhibit A.

Case closed....

are those the meters on a mixer that have the + & - sign?

:-D

I guess I need to keep proving my credentials and age since I'm getting called out for being 12 and lying about my experience level. I turn 32 in August. Started spinning vinyl when I was 12 (1996). I've been full time with my business as a club and mobile DJ since 2009 but started my business in 2001. I've owned tons of different brands of PA over the years. Many brands I've used over the years... JBL EON, Yamaha Club Series, yorkville, Mackie, crown/qsc amps, EAW, Dynacord, EV, QSC...
Here is the video again of the issue I had with both sets of ETX 15p.
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Myself and the sales and Engineering staff at EV literally tried everything as far as input settings and DSP settings to get volume out of these speakers. I ended up concluding that the internal limiter was programmed too low. The manual states something along the lines of it allowing the user to go to +17 DB (on the input side) or something like that. I was barely able to go over +0 DB without seeing flashing. No matter what, when I got to a certain level of volume, the speaker would limit and eventually start shutting off. The level was lower than that of QSCs. I just used the k12s as an example because people are very familiar with the limits of the k series. The ETX should blow the k12s out of the water but that was not the case for me.

They just plain didn't work correctly. 2 sets of them. Could have been the first batch? Idk. And I have receipts of the purchases for the those who want to claim bs.

so what did you end up replacing the etx15p with?

I took that money and used it to buy some EAW vfr159i's powered by a crown XTi 4002. I run it in stereo so they get 650 W each. They absolutely rock and I have yet to push them to the limit. LOUD and clean. I use these for 250+ people vents or school dances and will pair them with a set of KW181s or add a set of custom dual 21 inch drivers with another XTI 4000 when needed. Also picked up another set of qsc kw122s. Very happy with everything. Reliability is the most important thing. If speakers cut out or overheat, it looks so bad on your business.

EAW... you took the road less traveled by DJs but EAW's name is usually associated with next-level tour quality. That Crown XTI amp line is pretty decent too. I'd trust them well with tops but not as much on sub duty.

@joee Who The fuck is u...Google me MOFO!!!! i got shit out my ass.

So you have been spinnig vinyl since 12, but you didn't get you'r start until 97. And you started your own business in 2001 at 17.

Real talk let me fall back. You are OFFICAL bro!!!

Yeah that's when I started my business. At 17. When I went full time i got the LLC and all that jazz.

What's your point DJ Val? Do you or have you owned the ETX's?

I stopped talking about speakers yesterday. Besides...I just conceded to you.




Wait...what's the name of your company?

Groove Mobile DJ Services. Based out of Phoenix/Scottsdale AZ.

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@dj jest jamm


i think you need to go back & read what i posted, i SAID you own every speaker on the planet


my a suggest some toilette paper

your not giving that speaker enough power

EAW vfr159i Power Handling / Impedance (Watts @ Ohms): Full Range Passive: 600 @ 8

you only have 50W of headroom

That's it Joee! Give him some headroom!

LOL

your the expert in that field

I know I can run them with more power. It sounds perfect at that 8ohm stereo load. I'm sure I'll try it with more at some point.

Right, the crown XTi 6002 www.crownaudio.com would be the proper amp for this speaker. The XTi 4002 being used will never allow this speaker to see it full potential. If not properly limited, I foresee clipping and blown drivers in his near future.

Look man he has 20 years...I mean 15...I mean 12 years in the game. He knows proper gain structure. He knows how to power his set up.

(I can't wait until he says the EAW suck cuz they clip too easy)

Nope. Very happy with the EAWs. Pushed them and have yet to hear them clip. Keep bashing Val.
Btw. Listened to your mixes on SC. Boring.

@DJ Groove Tech you should have went with these
eaw.com

nycrpd.org

Those redlines do look nice. I'm not sure if they were out last year when I got the vfr's.

You listened to my mixes on Soundcloud and they are boring. Well I hope so...there are NO mixes on my Soundcloud page. So listening to silence is boring.

You just further continue to prove you are a liar and full of shit.

soundcloud.com

Whatever I listened to that had your name on it

o snap

www.chrisbeatcancer.com

That's funny...because I tried to listen to stuff that you did. Mysteriously I can find it. Maybe you can point me in the right direction.

I Google DJ Groovetech this is what I get. www.google.com

I Google DJ Groove Tech this is what I get. www.google.com

Help me out please. Or is it listed under Jerry Callow?

Watchwww.youtube.com

Joee Please tell him to stop before I expose his ass.

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Who knows if those will ever come out. They don't even have real images available of the speakers yet.

I just can't right now.....lmao.

Yo I'm gonna stop it right here. He is probably a good kid.

Dude don't play with me i'm not here for that....

Man some of these dude are fake with no life's don't let em get to u..

Damn Jest Jamm, Joee was bigging you up son........

Jest Jamm,

What's new in your powered speaker arsenal?

If he was i took it the wrong we,,and i'm man enuff to say sorry to the brother....My bag...

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lol trying to find two tops to go whit this dam Powered Apogee sub...this shit gets Lowww.

Lol u just hooked it up and didn't use the setting lol..the setting that it's on out the box is trash u got to play with it my dude..put it in LIVE mode and play with the E.Q. and the setting it's a winner.

SMH

so i say you own every speaker on the planet & you take it the wrong way TWICE!……..

your speaker knowledge outweighs your reading comprehension skills

i remember when DJ GaFFle was joking with you & you also got bent out of shape, we really do have to watch how we talk to you huh?

"dj jest jamm 1:23 AM - 12 November, 2012
i jest got a 4pro-8003 today..it's not that bad compared to my ls801p's that been in my house one time cuz i live on the 4th floor with no Elevator lol didn't get to turn it up yet or put it on the Driverack but tomorrows another day."

"DJ GaFFle 6:41 PM - 12 November, 2012
^^^ DJ Jest Jamm typing with his feet, LOL."

"dj jest jamm 10:05 PM - 12 November, 2012
@DJ GaFFle i'm typing with yr sister sitting on my lap lol."

SMH

neither am i, I'm here to talk about speakers

He made a joke i made a joke it was left with lol he didn't take it to the head...

Nah son! He was flippin' on you!

WHOOOP DAT TRICK!!!!!

LOL! Don't try to save him!