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New JBL PRX700 series

DJ GaFFle 2:20 AM - 28 July, 2013
Looks like JBL has upgraded all the shortcomings of the PRX600 series line with a new PRX700 series. It's suppose to be announced August 1st.

• Ferrite magnets instead of Neo... each speaker should be a little heavier
• 1500W amps
• Fans on amps... no more mobile frying pans
• New 10" powered version in the lineup
• Additional inputs

I read this online and haven't seen any pics or info yet. Let's see if this comes to fruition.
DJ Unique 2:30 AM - 28 July, 2013
Awesome
funkyfresh2012 2:43 AM - 28 July, 2013
Links to brochure:

710:
www.performanceaudio.com

712:
www.performanceaudio.com

715:
www.performanceaudio.com

718XLF:
www.performanceaudio.com

also releasing... 715XLF, 725, and 735
funkyfresh2012 2:44 AM - 28 July, 2013
Sorry, already taken down....
funkyfresh2012 2:46 AM - 28 July, 2013
the_black_one 3:34 AM - 28 July, 2013
tracking
skinnyguy 5:59 AM - 28 July, 2013
heavier? no thanks...
SG SOUNDS 12:07 PM - 28 July, 2013
I was so disappointed with the prx635 with all the heating issues and all...The specs on these new speakers especially the 10" at 133db hmmmmm.kinda hard to believe..Im quite happy and satisfied with my (2) DXR15's over my yorkies...Looking to get (2) DXR12's....These speakers just sound amazing....
SG SOUNDS 12:07 PM - 28 July, 2013
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heavier? no thanks...


+1
DJ GaFFle 1:14 PM - 28 July, 2013
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heavier? no thanks...

More reliable should be the concern... especially if they have the same or better sound quality. These units appear to be only 1-20% more heavy to their respective models and the 2-way tops are still all less than 48 lbs each. The PRX600 series sounded great. The PRX718XLF is only .5 lbs heavier than its predecessor.

I'm set with speakers but I would definitely consider re-getting the PRX735. I know how good the 635 was as a single solution. You can pretty much do any wedding or medium sized party w/o a sub.
skinnyguy 6:43 AM - 29 July, 2013
well, if it's .5 lbs, i think i can handle...
skinnyguy 6:43 AM - 29 July, 2013
.5 lbs heavier, i meant.
the_black_one 6:55 AM - 29 July, 2013
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well, if it's .5 lbs, i think i can handle...




no misquote needed...

NM NH
Joee 3:04 PM - 29 July, 2013
will be interested to hear the 15inch sub
Joee 3:34 PM - 29 July, 2013
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Specs:
www.facebook.com

ok at closer inspection it looks the specs on these speakers is super exaggerated, i don't remember the prx 15 2 way ever getting as loud as my ev zxa5, these specs show the 15 at 136db the ev zxa5 is 133db
Joee 3:46 PM - 29 July, 2013
so now i'm looking at the prx710 133db, your gonna tell me that a 10 inch top box is going to get as loud as my zxa5? i call bullsh!t on those specs
DJ Unique 3:49 PM - 29 July, 2013
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so now i'm looking at the prx710 133db, your gonna tell me that a 10 inch top box is going to get as loud as my zxa5? i call bullsh!t on those specs

I say wait until they actually release it to see final specs.
This could be a typo.
Joee 3:58 PM - 29 July, 2013
o ok, didn't see that
SG SOUNDS 7:08 PM - 30 July, 2013
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heavier? no thanks...

More reliable should be the concern... especially if they have the same or better sound quality. These units appear to be only 1-20% more heavy to their respective models and the 2-way tops are still all less than 48 lbs each. The PRX600 series sounded great. The PRX718XLF is only .5 lbs heavier than its predecessor.

I'm set with speakers but I would definitely consider re-getting the PRX735. I know how good the 635 was as a single solution. You can pretty much do any wedding or medium sized party w/o a sub.


I would consider them also because the prx635 sounded amazing it was just that the heating issue that prevented me from buying...Hopefully the prx735 will sound even better and have no thermal issues....
Johnnynights 3:07 AM - 31 July, 2013
Im looking forward to this series hope they dont dissapoint but 133db on a 10" speaker is hard to believe cant wait to hear them.
funkyfresh2012 3:14 AM - 31 July, 2013
DJ GaFFle 9:49 AM - 31 July, 2013
So it appears as if JBL ditched the fan-less Crown amps in favor of their own design. I tried to zoom in on the pics to see where they were made. What I did notice is that the sub is the only unit that has a HPF. The tops don't have a LPF.
Joee 2:01 PM - 31 July, 2013
i never been a big jbl fan for top boxes, like the bass bins, but the jbl booth will be my first stop at the dj expo this year

maybe i'll get rid of my zxa1/zxa1sub combo in favor of the 715xlf/712
Joee 2:01 PM - 31 July, 2013
^ i like there bass bins
funkyfresh2012 2:26 PM - 31 July, 2013
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So it appears as if JBL ditched the fan-less Crown amps in favor of their own design. I tried to zoom in on the pics to see where they were made. What I did notice is that the sub is the only unit that has a HPF. The tops don't have a LPF.

The tops should have a LPF. There is an EQ button that goes between MAIN and MON (which i assume is monitor). The prx710, however, shows a normal/boost.
funkyfresh2012 4:04 PM - 1 August, 2013
JBL updated their page:
www.jblpro.com
Joee 7:31 PM - 1 August, 2013
i got some prices already, the prx715xlf is going to be in the $1,000 or higher price point & the prx712 is in the $700 or higher price point
Joee 7:44 PM - 1 August, 2013
www.performanceaudio.com

www.performanceaudio.com

heres some prices they seem to be the same or on par with the prx600 series
Joee 11:11 PM - 1 August, 2013
Joee 11:12 PM - 1 August, 2013
looks like the new prx700 series has a 6 year warranty, nice
lvmez 1:15 AM - 2 August, 2013
I will be looking into the 715XLF.
Joee 1:16 AM - 2 August, 2013
i don't know what to look at---> serato.com
Rebelguy 3:51 AM - 2 August, 2013
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I will be looking into the 715XLF.


+1
the_black_one 4:04 AM - 2 August, 2013
so the whole " Crown" amp appeal that they wanted with the previous line is just discarded?
Who is the maker of the amps for the new line?


NM NH
DJ Unique 5:35 AM - 2 August, 2013
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so the whole " Crown" amp appeal that they wanted with the previous line is just discarded?
Who is the maker of the amps for the new line?


NM NH

Crown & JBL are part of the same company so I'm sure the amplifier is still made by Crown.
www.jblpro.com
the_black_one 5:45 AM - 2 August, 2013
interesting to hear them and see how they hold up to extreme test

NM NH
funkyfresh2012 5:00 PM - 23 August, 2013
So, has anyone picked these up yet? reviews?
Joee 5:07 PM - 23 August, 2013
i heard the 18 sub & the 15 top, they sound NICE!!!!!
lvmez 5:36 PM - 23 August, 2013
How much?
Johnnynights 9:41 PM - 23 August, 2013
I wonder how they sound compared to qsc or other brands?
Joee 9:59 PM - 23 August, 2013
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How much?

i got a price of $900 for the 715xlf & $700 for the 715, i sure they can be found cheaper, they not moving on price yet since there so new
DJ Tracktion 10:04 PM - 23 August, 2013
They got even uglier then the 600 series...didn't think that was going to be possible..
lvmez 10:17 PM - 23 August, 2013
I like the look of the 600 series. Looks clean and great exterior quality. I'll probably pick up the subs at that price.
Joee 10:43 PM - 23 August, 2013
i was thinking about it, but why i'm waiting on my rcf to get here, don't think i need anymore speakers

but a 65lbs sub looks good, i want to hear it
Joee 6:09 PM - 25 August, 2013
first review, not the best but still a review-----> Watchwww.youtube.com
Mighty Dragon Sounds 4:21 AM - 26 August, 2013
I wanna see some reviews on their three way speakers.... I heard the 635s had their problems.... Hopefully they fixed them with the 735s.....
DJ GaFFle 10:59 AM - 26 August, 2013
^^^ This ^^^
dj duicey 7:56 PM - 27 August, 2013
i have the 635 i had one problem but it was my fault im wating for everyone to get get the 735 so i can get the 635 at discount i dj every weekend with them long as they are on the stand and can get air they are fine dont put them down low in a crowed they will get hot and shut off i have tested it the one on the stand played all night the one on the floor in the crowed on and off also the love power so you have to plug them to good power they play cooler and louder im getting 4 more
DJ GaFFle 8:28 PM - 27 August, 2013
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i have the 635 i had one problem but it was my fault im wating for everyone to get get the 735 so i can get the 635 at discount i dj every weekend with them long as they are on the stand and can get air they are fine dont put them down low in a crowed they will get hot and shut off i have tested it the one on the stand played all night the one on the floor in the crowed on and off also the love power so you have to plug them to good power they play cooler and louder im getting 4 more

So you'll risk having unpredictability, unreliability and the known issue just to save a few bucks?
skinnyguy 8:44 PM - 27 August, 2013
aren't the 600 series already being discounted in stores?
the_black_one 9:08 PM - 27 August, 2013
I might pick up a pair for 500 bucks each.. Brand new from store and do the fan hack... A pair for 1000 is ok deal

NM NH
dj duicey 9:49 PM - 27 August, 2013
i have did over 20 parties and one shutdown which was my fault because i set it on the floor and the room was packed since then i being playing them full power trying to make them shutdown and they dont they play all night i have had passive system run hot and shut off if they dont have proper air any speaker will shut down
DJ GaFFle 12:55 AM - 28 August, 2013
@ $500 each, that would be a bargain. I'd want to rent them out for that low price but I'd be afraid any DJ renting them from me would easily have a thermal issue.
the_black_one 1:36 AM - 28 August, 2013
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@ $500 each, that would be a bargain. I'd want to rent them out for that low price but I'd be afraid any DJ renting them from me would easily have a thermal issue.



That's exactly what I was thinking. Might go pick them up tonight..

NM NH
dj shadow from detroit 8:19 AM - 28 August, 2013
Well worth $500 each
I have the prx 615 's and 12's
they sound great and never any issues.
dj duicey 12:47 PM - 28 August, 2013
dj gaffie they dont have thermal issues they just need air like any other speaker or amp would u cant crank them at 102 degree room on the floor thats what i did so it was my fault done 10 party's since then put them on stand no problem but i got mine in 2013 so i guess they have fix the issues i see a lot of dj love them they just adding fans which thats all the 700 series is
Joee 1:22 PM - 28 August, 2013
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dj gaffie they dont have thermal issues they just need air like any other speaker or amp would u cant crank them at 102 degree room on the floor thats what i did so it was my fault done 10 party's since then put them on stand no problem but i got mine in 2013 so i guess they have fix the issues i see a lot of dj love them they just adding fans which thats all the 700 series is

they fixed the issue alright, the fix is called the 700 series, a fan is not the only addition to the speaker, it has a new amp
DJ GaFFle 1:44 PM - 28 August, 2013
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dj gaffie they dont have thermal issues they just need air like any other speaker or amp would u cant crank them at 102 degree room on the floor thats what i did so it was my fault done 10 party's since then put them on stand no problem but i got mine in 2013 so i guess they have fix the issues i see a lot of dj love them they just a

They previously DID have issues because I owned a pair that thermalled. Those units would have plenty of air and still shut down. I returned them to Sam Ash and they had them on demo. I saw the sales guy demo'ing them to a perspective buyer and they thermalled on him with nominal volume, LoL.

You are probably correct with the later units having the issue somewhat resolved but the inherent design flaw (flush looking heat sinks on those Crown amps that get skillet hot w/o even playing) is most likely still there. I was sad to have to take my 635's back. Those suckers were very light for a 3-way box. They sounded very good, had great low end and lifted easily.

If you're happy with their performance; albeit, via extra precautions you have to be aware of, more power to you. You'll certainly save some money over retail. For me, give me the revised unit (PRX 735) that addresses all the shortcomings of the original.

FYI... I only paid $799 each for those PRX635 at SA and that was a couple of years ago. I think they had a 20% or ridiculous 30% off sale at the time. If you pay more than $650 each (new), you're paying too much IMO. JBL should have sent me a pair of 635's before unleashing them on the general public. I would of unearthed those flaws in a heartbeat.

(nm)
dj duicey 6:16 PM - 28 August, 2013
i talked to the guy at gc he say they only cost them $350 each from jbl wowww what a rip off the mark up is so high i paid $1800 a pair it made me not wanna buy anything else from them but i figure if i can get them for $1000 a pair and a fan in case im good vs paying $2400 for the new 700 wit different amp same sound im good because the 635 will fill any midsize room easy no sub needed maybe ill cal jbl and see if they will up grade the old amps.......
DJ GaFFle 6:31 PM - 28 August, 2013
Go find that link where the guy made a DIY fan. It was custom molded to the back of the 635's and included new IEC connectors. At $1000 for a pair of 635's with those fans, I'd be a fan!
the_black_one 6:32 PM - 28 August, 2013
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Go find that link where the guy made a DIY fan. It was custom molded to the back of the 635's and included new IEC connectors. At $1000 for a pair of 635's with those fans, I'd be a fan!



my plan all along..... this pups are going to make me some money...

NM NH
Joee 6:37 PM - 28 August, 2013
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i talked to the guy at gc he say they only cost them $350 each from jbl wowww what a rip off the mark up is so high i paid $1800 a pair it made me not wanna buy anything else from them but i figure if i can get them for $1000 a pair and a fan in case im good vs paying $2400 for the new 700 wit different amp same sound im good because the 635 will fill any midsize room easy no sub needed maybe ill cal jbl and see if they will up grade the old amps.......

there made in mexico, $350 cost does not surprise me, make them cheap sell them high
dj duicey 6:59 PM - 28 August, 2013
for everyone who want the fix here it is gc not ripping me off any more on they high mark ups im wating for the clearance to start www.djmb.net
the_black_one 8:20 PM - 28 August, 2013
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for everyone who want the fix here it is gc not ripping me off any more on they high mark ups im wating for the clearance to start www.djmb.net

500 a pop.....

if i can get them any lower i will post

NM NH
caliguy 10:49 PM - 30 August, 2013
FYI Regarding weight:

The new ferrite driver is actually light weight because its unique design uses less magnetic ferrite material than normal ferrite drivers.

In fact the new 15 inch 1500 watt PRX715XLF sub is amazingly only 56 lbs! Thats ridiculous for that much power!

I used to push QSC KW181 sales, until the 700 series dropped. Ive sold ten subs in 2 days!
HighTopFade 2:59 AM - 31 August, 2013
I didn't realize the PRX600 Series had heat issues. I have a PRX618S-XLF that seems to work pretty well. Used them for a few mobile gigs. Should I be concerned?
DJ Unique 5:13 AM - 31 August, 2013
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I didn't realize the PRX600 Series had heat issues. I have a PRX618S-XLF that seems to work pretty well. Used them for a few mobile gigs. Should I be concerned?

I use the same ones as well.
No problems on my end
DJ GaFFle 5:55 AM - 31 August, 2013
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I didn't realize the PRX600 Series had heat issues. I have a PRX618S-XLF that seems to work pretty well. Used them for a few mobile gigs. Should I be concerned?

Only with re$ale...

If you haven't had a thermal issue thus far, you most likely won't be affected. I think it really affected the PRX635's.
Joee 8:38 PM - 31 August, 2013
man can we get a review of the 718xlf, i need to know if it's worth buying
Joee 8:39 PM - 31 August, 2013
^^ i mean prx715xlf
ninos 6:28 PM - 1 September, 2013
I used 4 prx 700's last night for a wedding. DAMN they were bumpin. Sound awesome but are heavy ass shit!
 6 7:19 PM - 1 September, 2013
Ass shit? As if there was any other kind of shit. lol

nm
lvmez 8:04 PM - 1 September, 2013
Which 700 model did you use?
Joee 8:08 PM - 1 September, 2013
^^ yeah i'm interested in the 715xlf 56lbs
DJ GaFFle 9:32 PM - 1 September, 2013
Damn Ninos... You've got 700 series, Turbosound and some SRX's at your disposal... where do you live? :-D

(nm/nh)
the_black_one 1:29 AM - 2 September, 2013
Called out


NM NH
ninos 6:39 AM - 2 September, 2013
imageshack.us heres from the wedding last night
ninos 6:40 AM - 2 September, 2013
Joee 12:46 PM - 2 September, 2013
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I used 4 prx 700's last night for a wedding. DAMN they were bumpin. Sound awesome but are heavy ass shit!

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imageshack.us heres from the wedding last night


those are look like sxr not prx
DJ Unique 12:55 PM - 2 September, 2013
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I used 4 prx 700's last night for a wedding. DAMN they were bumpin. Sound awesome but are heavy ass shit!

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imageshack.us heres from the wedding last night


those are look like sxr not prx

You can see the Speakons on back
JDforKing 12:56 PM - 2 September, 2013
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I used 4 prx 700's last night for a wedding. DAMN they were bumpin. Sound awesome but are heavy ass shit!

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imageshack.us heres from the wedding last night


those are look like sxr not prx


I think those are sxr too
JDforKing 12:56 PM - 2 September, 2013
srx
Joee 1:03 PM - 2 September, 2013
damm typo, i just saw it "SRX"
Mighty Dragon Sounds 1:51 AM - 3 September, 2013
Damn.... I lost wood as I went further down expecting some field review of the 700 series.
ninos 2:16 AM - 3 September, 2013
I swear it said prx on the handle of the sub. I guess not!
 6 2:25 AM - 3 September, 2013
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I swear it said prx on the handle of the sub. I guess not!


Nothing a Sharpie can't fix. lmfao

nm
Joee 1:13 PM - 3 November, 2013
went to my local guitar center yesterday to demo the prx715 tops……save your money & get the yamaha dxr15 it sounds better than the new prx 15….IMHO
Joee 1:15 PM - 3 November, 2013
^ the 718xlf was comparable to the qsc kw181
SG SOUNDS 2:08 PM - 3 November, 2013
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went to my local guitar center yesterday to demo the prx715 tops……save your money & get the yamaha dxr15 it sounds better than the new prx 15….IMHO


Totally agree the yamaha dxr15 is the best sounding 15" speakers in its price range..With the best warranty out there 7 freaking years....
DJSCIASCIA 1:25 AM - 16 November, 2013
Anyone else have experiences with this new line??
the_black_one 1:27 AM - 16 November, 2013
Just not a big fan of JBL ..... the rcf's and yamahas do sound better ...... thats just my opinion.

NM NH
DJ NoNseNse 9:49 AM - 21 November, 2013
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Anyone else have experiences with this new line??


I've only heard them in stores but I'm waiting on more real world feedback
DJ_FUEGONY 3:27 PM - 21 November, 2013
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Anyone else have experiences with this new line??


I've only heard them in stores but I'm waiting on more real world feedback


I purchased them back in September and I have done a couple of weddings with them and I am very happy with the crystal clear sound and they get very loud. I used to have the PRX615M but I just couldn't pass the great deal I was being offered to get the new PRX715 speakers, once again, I am very happy with these speakers.
TROYBOY0765 4:15 PM - 21 November, 2013
QSC KW 181 18 Sub Or JBL PRX 718 XLF SUB ? PLEASE I NEED YOUR INPUT
JDforKing 4:23 PM - 21 November, 2013
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Anyone else have experiences with this new line??


I've only heard them in stores but I'm waiting on more real world feedback


I purchased them back in September and I have done a couple of weddings with them and I am very happy with the crystal clear sound and they get very loud. I used to have the PRX615M but I just couldn't pass the great deal I was being offered to get the new PRX715 speakers, once again, I am very happy with these speakers.



Are there that much of a difference between the prx615 and the prx715
Joee 4:23 PM - 21 November, 2013
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^ the 718xlf was comparable to the qsc kw181

the jbl has a rounder/fuller sounding bass
Joee 4:24 PM - 21 November, 2013
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Anyone else have experiences with this new line??


I've only heard them in stores but I'm waiting on more real world feedback


I purchased them back in September and I have done a couple of weddings with them and I am very happy with the crystal clear sound and they get very loud. I used to have the PRX615M but I just couldn't pass the great deal I was being offered to get the new PRX715 speakers, once again, I am very happy with these speakers.



Are there that much of a difference between the prx615 and the prx715

i say dxr15 sounds better than prx715
DJ NoNseNse 1:09 AM - 22 November, 2013
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QSC KW 181 18 Sub Or JBL PRX 718 XLF SUB ? PLEASE I NEED YOUR INPUT


I like the prx718xlf more then the kw181
SG SOUNDS 4:47 PM - 23 November, 2013
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Anyone else have experiences with this new line??


I've only heard them in stores but I'm waiting on more real world feedback


I purchased them back in September and I have done a couple of weddings with them and I am very happy with the crystal clear sound and they get very loud. I used to have the PRX615M but I just couldn't pass the great deal I was being offered to get the new PRX715 speakers, once again, I am very happy with these speakers.



Are there that much of a difference between the prx615 and the prx715

i say dxr15 sounds better than prx715


+1
caliguy 2:20 AM - 24 November, 2013
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QSC KW 181 18 Sub Or JBL PRX 718 XLF SUB ? PLEASE I NEED YOUR INPUT


I like the prx718xlf more than the kw181

I also prefer the JBL PRX718XLF over the QSC KW181. Besides the PRX718XLF is 1500 watts whis a whole 50% more amplification power than the KW181.

The QSC KW181 has allot of rumble . JBL PRX718XLF is louder, and has a more solid thumping bass. I sell both.

QSC sacrificed sound over size. They chose to go with a more compact sub design. The problem is in order to get better and louder bass you need a little bit bigger cabinet. JBL decided that bass tone was more important and went with a bigger cabinet design.

Dont let the QSC KW181's little size fool you, its very heavy. Without those wheels it would put a hurt on your back. But its heavy because they use premium Baltic birch plywood for better bass resonance, hence the rumble.

JBL uses lightweight dense Poplar plywood doubled up on the top and bottom of the cabinet for a lightweight rigid cabinet.
Joee 1:13 PM - 24 November, 2013
^ don't forget about the zlx, the best sounding speaker ever EVER!!!!!!
Al Poulin 5:09 PM - 24 November, 2013
I like the prx718xlf more than the kw181

I also prefer the JBL PRX718XLF over the QSC KW181. Besides the PRX718XLF is 1500 watts whis a whole 50% more amplification power than the KW181.



The QSC KW181 has allot of rumble . JBL PRX718XLF is louder, and has a more solid thumping bass. I sell both.



QSC sacrificed sound over size. They chose to go with a more compact sub design. The problem is in order to get better and louder bass you need a little bit bigger cabinet. JBL decided that bass tone was more important and went with a bigger cabinet design.



Dont let the QSC KW181's little size fool you, its very heavy. Without those wheels it would put a hurt on your back. But its heavy because they use premium Baltic birch plywood for better bass resonance, hence the rumble.



JBL uses lightweight dense Poplar plywood doubled up on the top and bottom of the cabinet for a lightweight rigid cabinet.


The difference between 1000 and 1500 "applied" watts is negligible in reality because it only translates in a decibel or two of possible additional output, which is barely audible. Also, a more efficient woofer in one sub will require less applied power to reach a givel sound level. Sometimes a little output is sacrificed for better low freqeuncy extension OR the opposite where a "louder" thump is preffered over the deepest lows. Some subs have adjustments to let you select one or the other. Yorville LS720P, 801P for example.
Al Poulin 5:12 PM - 24 November, 2013
Is there a way to modify your posts after posting? I just noticed the quotes in my above post didn't work.. Anyway, ONLY the last paragraph is mine. :-)
DJ GaFFle 11:05 PM - 24 November, 2013
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Is there a way to modify your posts after posting? I just noticed the quotes in my above post didn't work.. Anyway, ONLY the last paragraph is mine. :-)

Bwuhahah... Never. They can't Afford The Edit Feature.
DJ Rud 6:59 PM - 16 December, 2013
i own jbl prx 625's andc have never had one single issue with them ever over heating and u have ran them very hard at times. They were designed to run hot. Love JBL products and the incredible sound.
caliguy 4:21 AM - 8 January, 2014
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The difference between 1000 and 1500 "applied" watts is negligible in reality because it only translates in a decibel or two of possible additional output, which is barely audible. Also, a more efficient woofer in one sub will require less applied power to reach a givel sound level. Sometimes a little output is sacrificed for better low freqeuncy extension OR the opposite where a "louder" thump is preffered over the deepest lows. Some subs have adjustments to let you select one or the other. Yorville LS720P, 801P for example.

A more efficient woofer requires less amplifier power to achieve equal loudness of a competitor with more amplification HOWEVER that gets negated if you use that efficient woofer in a box design that is less than optimal for that woofer.

Thats the case with the KW181, great rumble, but the bigger cabinet of the JBL PRX718XLF makes for a better more solid bass thump.
pdidy 8:34 AM - 8 January, 2014
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I also prefer the JBL PRX718XLF over the QSC KW181. Besides the PRX718XLF is 1500 watts whis a whole 50% more amplification power than the KW181.

While this type of talk works very well in the sale department for amateur speaker buyers, it wont fly with the knowledgeable and or professional. Its very flawed and the Pro's know it.

Btw, Al Poulin was correct in his assessment.
Joee 12:05 PM - 8 January, 2014
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I also prefer the JBL PRX718XLF over the QSC KW181. Besides the PRX718XLF is 1500 watts whis a whole 50% more amplification power than the KW181.

While this type of talk works very well in the sale department for amateur speaker buyers, it wont fly with the knowledgeable and or professional. Its very flawed and the Pro's know it.


that guy giving the advise is a sales person or so he says he is & is very knowledgeable about pro audio


remember he did tell us that ev's zlx line sounds better than zx line, zlx15p sounds better than zxa5
lowdbrent 9:45 PM - 19 January, 2014
This is an old topic, but I would like to contribute to this conversation, in case someone is reading to make a future purchase.

I am a dealer for just about every MI line out there and many of the highest high end lines. Our company has a music store and separate professional audio, video, lighting and control company. That is what I run.

Now, lets settle some basic errors posted by people here.
1. You cannot say that on brand sound consistently better than another, if the speakers evaluated are in the same class. That means, if you are comparing apples to apples. All manufacturers build for a price point, unless they are on the high end of the spectrum where price is no option.
2. Many of the speaker manufacturers swap personnel...often. Designers, Engineers, Product and Manufacturing Managers swap employers. They are all limited by physics, availability of materials, politics in their respective countries, etc, etc.
3. It does not matter where something is manufactured. Shure makes mics in Mexico using the same machinery it used to use in the USA. It doesn't matter who loads the raw materials and who boxes the finished product up. What matters is the design, application and process, not where it is being done.
4. The QSC K series speakers are not 1,000W speakers. The amp modules only produce what is needed, and that is 350W. The JBLs are not really 1,500W. They will not require it or produce it. Power means little. Speaker efficiency, desired loudness (SPL-dB) and distance are the only important things. Neither manufacturer is completely thorough or honest with their specs, and they do not have to be. Why? Because the average consumer is uneducated and/or mislead about what is important about power. Most consumers set their systems up to fail anyway, under powering them and never getting the undistorted power they could.

Lets look at two examples of speakers throwing the limits of any MI 2-way or 3-way box, 11 meters, at 105 dB-SPL (freakin loud at 33' away from a speaker:

With a sensitivity of 99dB 1W-1m and 3dB of amplifier headroom, you need only 961W
With a sensitivity of 100dB 1W-1m and 3dB of amplifier headroom, you need only 753W

Let's increase output to 106 dB-SPL at 33' from the speaker:
With a sensitivity of 99dB 1W-1m and 3dB of amplifier headroom, you need 1,210W
With a sensitivity of 100dB 1W-1m and 3dB of amplifier headroom, you need only 961W

Since 35 to 40 feet is going to be the limit of throw for any of these boxes, you would be better served to use multiples and delay rings. That way it is loud everywhere and not just killing those people in the front to have it mildly loud in the rear.

5. Now, QSC bought their speaker technology from another CA company. They have made great strides conquering the MI world. The KW is the best selling speaker line out there, PERIOD. They are going to be releasing a new line soon from what I hear, so keep an ear open. Personally, I don't like the KW181. They are a bit too thuddy for me. They do not play deep enough.

6. The JBL line has been a love hate relationship. I want to sell them, and we have a great program. But, JBL has a history of stubbing it's toes. They are not stupid on the audio side, just choked and misdirected on the bean counter side. There are people in place who are trying to turn the big ship around. I like the new pro stuff. I have not heard the MI stuff much, so I will not comment.

7. If you want really good subs, consider Danley. NOOOOOW we are talking REAL sub bass.

8. EV will be releasing a new JBL PRX line killer at NAMM. Keep an ear out there also.

9. Consider RCF. They have a great team and they make drivers for lots and lots of other manufacturers. They have their crap down.

10. Last but not least, if you want real tools, quit buying toys. Don't gripe about products that are not intended to be used in professional applications. I get tired of hearing it. If you can't get into the big dog realm, don't try. Be the best little dog. You are only as good as your last gig. You don't want to fight hell with a squirt gun.
Joee 10:10 PM - 19 January, 2014
@ lowdbrent

you sir are alright in my book, now caliguy on the other hand need to take some lessons from you……for real
Bigga Bounce Ent 10:55 PM - 22 January, 2014
is this 1500W Peak power or continuous?
SG SOUNDS 11:15 PM - 22 January, 2014
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is this 1500W Peak power or continuous?

1500W PEAK
Asu 2:12 PM - 30 January, 2014
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I also prefer the JBL PRX718XLF over the QSC KW181. Besides the PRX718XLF is 1500 watts which a whole 50% more amplification power than the KW181.


Yeah i don't know how you know that the 718XLF has 50% more,that math doesn't work...you'd think the QSC has more with a peak of 2000Watts,especially the sub.

The driver in the QSC is 600W RMS.1200Program so the rest i'd assume is headroom.

The Tone difference is DSP dependent and box design i'd think.

I've also read the 700 series is based on the VRX tech.
Asu 2:19 PM - 30 January, 2014
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EV will be releasing a new JBL PRX line killer at NAMM. Keep an ear out there also.


The ETX is EV going back to it's roots of a quality product comparable to the SX300 that you find all over the world.

i just hope the prices go down to PRX700 range...but so far,doesn't look like it. a 12" top is $1,100...to me it's just a powered SX300(I still have mine)...same HF driver,different LF driver though.

But EV is looking to make these the new Club / Mobile standard...realistic db is 131 with those drivers not the calculated 135.
DJ GaFFle 3:18 PM - 30 January, 2014
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...i just hope the prices go down to PRX700 range...but so far,doesn't look like it. a 12" top is $1,100...to me it's just a powered SX300(I still have mine)...same HF driver,different LF driver though.

But EV is looking to make these the new Club / Mobile standard...

Even at the street price, it may remain a little more pricey. Hopefully, the overall performance is better to warrant its higher cost. You gotta remember, these are assembled in America, not the sweatshops of Asia, so the labor costs are gonna be higher.
Asu 4:02 PM - 30 January, 2014
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assembled in America, not the sweatshops of Asia, so the labor costs are gonna be higher.


Very true...a reason why i've decided to buy a pair of 12's on principle :-) we need more manufacturing Jobs back here.

I'm sure they'll sound very well with those drivers that i'm familiar with...may not be as loud as the ZXA5 @ 133db...but i'm ok with a realistic 131db.

hopefully we'll get 'em at $899 street at least
Oli_frog 1:27 AM - 18 February, 2014
Anyone have updates on the PRX735's? Really curious about hearing people's opinions.
Joee 1:30 AM - 18 February, 2014
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Anyone have updates on the PRX735's? Really curious about hearing people's opinions.

you might want to look at this one too
electrovoice.com
dj7s 1:20 PM - 19 February, 2014
I have 715s ,710s, and 735s ,on the way, stay tuned and i will give a review, we had the older series, and usually keep new models, the pricing issue, dealer cost on the harmon/jbl dealer sheet for a prx 735 is almost a grand,actually 990.00. so I dont think the sales guy at gc.has ordered any logged into the jbl web site, gc. may get a discount because of the volume they do , but probably not hundreds of dollars cheaper than the rest of the dealer network. I had 6 of the 615s that i used as fronts,monitors ect. they always delivered flawlessly, Im expecting the same out of the 7 series
dj7s 6:14 PM - 19 February, 2014
agreed with lowdbrent, on all points.ditto....the right tool for the job is always a better idea...
M.Mal 5:03 PM - 26 February, 2014
What's up everyone, I have a bit of a dilemma and id like to hear some of your opinions asap.

So I have an oppurtunity to get 2 PRX 615m and a QSC HPR 181 sub for $1450. I like the deal but I hate the fact that they are used, you never know type of thing though it is labeled as "mint to new" like everything else on craigslist.

But now im thinking of maybe getting just the 718s XLF for $1400 or the 618s XLF used as a demo in a store for $1000.

Please help asap! Thanks!
Joee 5:09 PM - 26 February, 2014
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Please help asap! Thanks!

is size or weight a issues for you?
M.Mal 5:11 PM - 26 February, 2014
No not really.
Joee 5:13 PM - 26 February, 2014
i know you were asking about jbl/qsc subs, but this will outperform them while being cheaper
www.proaudiostar.com
M.Mal 5:22 PM - 26 February, 2014
I appreciate the recommendation. let me add that im working with 2 jbl jrx 115s, so obviously the 615m's are very tempting but if the yorkville sub runs with them, thats a viable option.
Joee 5:27 PM - 26 February, 2014
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I appreciate the recommendation. let me add that im working with 2 jbl jrx 115s, so obviously the 615m's are very tempting but if the yorkville sub runs with them, thats a viable option.

what do you mean? your asking if the yorkville can keep up with you jbl jrx tops? you will have to turn the sub down!

if that's the question the answer is NO your jrx's absolutely can NOT keep up with the yorkville, the york is arguably the BEST sub you can buy for $1,100 to $1,300 period
M.Mal 5:31 PM - 26 February, 2014
hahah im sorry for my wording, i meant the yorkville absolutley destroying my 115's, definitley not the other way around.
Joee 5:33 PM - 26 February, 2014
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hahah im sorry for my wording, i meant the yorkville absolutley destroying my 115's, definitley not the other way around.

that's the point right? to upgrade! get the york turn it down, save get the tops in the future


but if you want to go jbl, i have nothing bad to say about the 715xlf it's a good sounding sub
M.Mal 5:38 PM - 26 February, 2014
you make a good point.
Joee 5:41 PM - 26 February, 2014
my job is to show you options ;) whats your budget for upgrade at the moment?

and whats your current system tops/subs/amps?
M.Mal 5:43 PM - 26 February, 2014
yea thanks options are always good. ive got 2 jbl jrx 115s with qsc gx5 amp. i was able to get some cash up and im around the $1400 area.
Joee 5:50 PM - 26 February, 2014
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yea thanks options are always good. ive got 2 jbl jrx 115s with qsc gx5 amp. i was able to get some cash up and im around the $1400 area.

what do you want to do with that $1,400 but tops? buy sub? or buy both tops & sub?

your on the lower end of equipment with what your using now, so the $1,400 is getting you a upgrade no matter what!
Joee 5:51 PM - 26 February, 2014
& what do you want 12/15 tops 15/18 subs?
M.Mal 5:52 PM - 26 February, 2014
yeah i know, but they have done me well so i cant complain about them! that is why the 2 prx 615s and qsc sub are so tempting because i could kind of get all my needs for one transaction. but the risk of the quality makes me nervous and buying new always feels more secure.
M.Mal 5:56 PM - 26 February, 2014
but if i dont do that craigslist deal i would rather add a 18 sub then replace my tops.
Joee 6:21 PM - 26 February, 2014
ok, so the craigslist PRX 615m and a QSC HPR 181, it's some decent gear but both are discontinues products and the jbl prx600 series was know to have failures do to overheating, just something to think about


if your looking for chest pounding loud bass & you have the means to transport it than get this
www.proaudiostar.com

if you think that the size/weight might be a little much for you than go ahead and get the jbl
www.proaudiostar.com ,seems like you like jbl
JDforKing 6:42 PM - 26 February, 2014
Will the seller let you test the gear before completed purchase? If everything is in working order, that is a very good deal for a pair of jbl prx 615 and a qsc hpr sub in my opinion.
M.Mal 6:46 PM - 26 February, 2014
The guy has given me major attitude regarding all questions about it. His ad said with stands and cables. I ask him their condition and about the stand n cables and he says im asking for to much and hell need to reevaluate the deal and comes back with a higher price and no stands or cables, he gave them away. So buying new now just seems better but I dont know
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:50 PM - 26 February, 2014
Yea...I wouldn't buy from that guy after all that. Look for something else used or just buy new.
JDforKing 6:53 PM - 26 February, 2014
I agree just go new. Look on ebay you could probably get a pair of yamaha dxr15 for $1400.
M.Mal 6:53 PM - 26 February, 2014
Most likely will do that my paps always said "buy new."

Thanks for the options joee the yorkville seems better n better by the minute.
JDforKing 6:55 PM - 26 February, 2014
and add a sub later
M.Mal 6:59 PM - 26 February, 2014
Well im content with mids n highs for the gigs I do really just need that sub for the lows. I have an outdoor event coming soon so ill probably just add a sub and then move towards tops.
JDforKing 7:10 PM - 26 February, 2014
sounds like a well thought out plan.
M.Mal 7:15 PM - 26 February, 2014
Yea thanks. Just needed a push to stay with new gear!
Joee 7:16 PM - 26 February, 2014
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Well im content with mids n highs for the gigs I do really just need that sub for the lows. I have an outdoor event coming soon so ill probably just add a sub and then move towards tops.

get the york, ask Certified Quality Entertainment what he thinks about the york, he recently bought a pair as per everyones opinions on a good sub

again provided you don't mind the size/weight....it's big & 140lbs
Joee 7:16 PM - 26 February, 2014
M.Mal 7:29 PM - 26 February, 2014
happy to say that i called prostar and i am getting the yorkville for $1150. im picking it up tonight since i am from the area. thank you!
M.Mal 7:30 PM - 26 February, 2014
cant wait to tell the craigslist guy to f**k off!
the_black_one 7:32 PM - 26 February, 2014
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cant wait to tell the craigslist guy to f**k off!



Tell him to go eat a bowl of dicks

Nm nh
Joee 7:35 PM - 26 February, 2014
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happy to say that i called prostar and i am getting the yorkville for $1150. im picking it up tonight since i am from the area. thank you!

good man, i like when you give someone advise and they actually listen

now what i'm going to show you next please don't get scared, when you do save up for tops buy these one at a time, they can be had for $1,300 to $1,400
www.proaudiostar.com


BEAST MODE SYSTEM RIGHT THERE!
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:36 PM - 26 February, 2014
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happy to say that i called prostar and i am getting the yorkville for $1150. im picking it up tonight since i am from the area. thank you!


Congrats! Where are you located?

Yes you will love that sub. I picked 1 up a month or so ago. Love it! I will be getting a 2nd sometime this year (have other purchases that need to come first). But you will not be disappointed.
You have a good way to transport it right? Don't think its going to fit in your trunk. You need a van/suv to handle it. Also, moving around is pretty easy as it has wheels but don't plan on getting up steps unless you have help.
JDforKing 7:36 PM - 26 February, 2014
Hope he's getting the one without carpet
Joee 7:42 PM - 26 February, 2014
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cant wait to tell the craigslist guy to f**k off!



Tell him to go eat a bowl of dicks

Nm nh

NO don't do that, tell him your fine with his price & that you think it's a good deal your willing to take it as is


than setup a meeting e mail him several time like your really excited ask if he has anything else he wants to sell, tell him you want that too, meet some ware tell him your not comfortable going to his home that you will meet in a public place


than after the meeting is set.......don't show up, but make sure you call hime every 5 to 10 min and tell him sorry your running late you got lost but your only 5 min away


after being a di@k with you it's the least he deserves ;) make him carry that sh!t for no reason
Joee 7:43 PM - 26 February, 2014
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Hope he's getting the one without carpet

man a pair of hair clippers clears that carpet right up ;)
M.Mal 7:44 PM - 26 February, 2014
Yeah thanks for all the help guys! those EV's would be or should i say will be sick... im from mineola. Ive got a van so that's no problem!
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:47 PM - 26 February, 2014
Enjoy.

Did you get the carpet version or painted version? I got the painted version. LOVE the look of it.
Joee 7:48 PM - 26 February, 2014
^ LS801P, best sub you can buy in it's price point

ZXA5, best two way you can buy in it's price point

PERIOD. . . .
M.Mal 7:49 PM - 26 February, 2014
yeah, thats not a bad idea, hes selling all of his stuff so maybe ill go down that route.
M.Mal 7:50 PM - 26 February, 2014
well i don't know im going down there tonight...i assume the painted is more expensive?
Joee 7:50 PM - 26 February, 2014
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well i don't know im going down there tonight...i assume the painted is more expensive?

$100 more
M.Mal 7:53 PM - 26 February, 2014
ill have to check them out before i decide that.
Joee 7:58 PM - 26 February, 2014
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ill have to check them out before i decide that.

your gonna what to get one of these, the longer the better makes for easier in & out with that big sub
www.titanramps.com
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:04 PM - 26 February, 2014
Also recommend Tuki cover for it. Protect that investment!
M.Mal 8:08 PM - 26 February, 2014
the cover is a priority, the ramp may have to wait haha
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:12 PM - 26 February, 2014
What kind of van you have? You can probably lean it in and be fine. But get the cover so you don't mess up the sub.
M.Mal 8:18 PM - 26 February, 2014
mini van its not to high up.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:43 PM - 26 February, 2014
You should be fine then. You should be able to lean it in there.
Johnnynights 4:46 PM - 27 February, 2014
How would you guys compare the yorkville LS801P vs cerwin vega cva 121?

I own some cva 121 and they pound
M.Mal 5:11 PM - 27 February, 2014
Well, i think i know how these guys would answer you. Yorkville or bust! i went to pro audio last night and talking to the guy, along with these guys, the yorkville sounding wise and power wise is out of everyone else's league at least in that price range.

That being said, I have some news for my friends here that may dissapoint. I got the qsc kw181 ($1150) instead of the Yorkville due to its yes massive size and bc I was able to get 2 k12's with it for $650 each. An unbeatable deal, it had to be done. That being said thank you guys! if it wasnt for you id probably have two overheated jbl prx 615ms and an old qsc sub.
Joee 5:21 PM - 27 February, 2014
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That being said, I have some news for my friends here that may dissapoint. I got the qsc kw181 ($1150) instead of the Yorkville due to its yes massive size and bc I was able to get 2 k12's with it for $650 each. An unbeatable deal, it had to be done. That being said thank you guys! if it wasnt for you id probably have two overheated jbl prx 615ms and an old qsc sub.

arrggggggg............lol

you did ok, it's a good sounding setup while being very portable & easy to transport, good choice


an overall improvement from your old system, you will be happy
M.Mal 5:24 PM - 27 February, 2014
yea thanks, next question. set up wise do i go k12's to sub to mixer? i believe that is what the guy suggested.
Joee 5:30 PM - 27 February, 2014
usually you go from you mixer out to the sub than sub out to tops, i'm not sure if the qsc are different ,IE mixer to tops than to subs?
M.Mal 5:36 PM - 27 February, 2014
should the subs be connecting to my mains or booth out?
Certified Quality Entertainment 5:38 PM - 27 February, 2014
You can do either...I think the K12s have a High pass setting or "with sub" setting. So you can put your master output on the k12s with that setting engaged and then put your booth output to your subs. This will give you a little additional control over the sub output.
I do that with my Yorkville.
M.Mal 5:41 PM - 27 February, 2014
right it does have the with sub settting, ok great thanks!
Asu 1:50 PM - 28 February, 2014
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That being said, I have some news for my friends here that may dissapoint. I got the qsc kw181 ($1150) instead of the Yorkville due to its yes massive size and bc I was able to get 2 k12's with it for $650 each


That's exactly what i'm adding...yorkie is serious but i'm usually by my self too. i have to consider that always...i already own 2 subs...just adding gear.

the QSC and PRX are easy to pickup by your self...especially when u get to a place where there's a short flight of stairs and no elevator.

the 21 CV aren't as tight as an 18" sub.

Meanwhile i'm looking to invest in some small concert type of arrayable tops for 1500 people max,if i can get that gear,i'm guaranteed one $15,000 gig every summer.what do you guys recommend...budget is 8-10k.

i was thinking i can use the 4 qsc subs after adding 2 more,plus they're powered,so no amp purchases or should i skip the 2 qsc subs and look for 2 used Danely TH118 for a more fuller sounding base you can hear at the back of a ballroom.

i'm looking at 2 VRX 12 tops per side or 3 KLA tops per side.

i want everything powered for easy setup,easy tear dow,easy transportation.

4 brand new RCF TTL55-A tops and 4 Danley TH118 are my dream but out of my budget for now.

i need something good to start out
Joee 2:12 PM - 28 February, 2014
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concert type of arrayable

taking all that into consideration, you don't have enough money you need to be looking at the things you don't want to get

4 ev zxa5 = $5,400

4 yorkville LS801P = $4,600

that system is $10,000 exactly ......for you budget there is nothing better that you can buy that gives you the SPL/OutPut/coverage needed
Joee 2:15 PM - 28 February, 2014
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i'm looking at 2 VRX 12 tops per side

that right there would be around $7,000 to $8,000 alone without subs
M.Mal 2:44 PM - 28 February, 2014
whats up again, so I had a little bit of trouble last night setting up the qsc's. i know this probably be in another forum but idk, were here.
I was hearing a bit of a hissing noise in my k12's but I dont know if that is just because im in my basement dead quiet but it gets somewhat noticeable at the 12 o clock point on the db, so i was keeping it at 9 o clock to limit that.

I was running the k 12's xlr into the sub and from the sub i was going xlr to 1/4 inch to the booth output. So, nothing was in my main output, so yea losing a bit of control of the sub gain, but that formula made it sound best to my ears. Is this ok going foward with the xlr to 1/4 or are xlr needed? i would try this out myself but im just a normal schnook working 9 to 5 and once i go home im heading to pennsylvania for the gig tomorrow.
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:00 PM - 28 February, 2014
You should always use your master when available...why did you bypass that?

What mixer are you using?

My suggestion would be take the L and R XLR of your master out and plug those directly into K12 Left speaker and K12 right speaker. Don't plug the sub in for now. See what result that gives you. Play with the volume a little bit (no music going through) to see if you can reproduce the hiss. Could be bad power or even a bad cable along the way too.

I assume you are have 1/4" booth outputs. Then get 1/4" to XLR for your sub and put on your booth output.

Try that and report back.
M.Mal 3:14 PM - 28 February, 2014
i tried the k12's xlr to the master but the hissing at the time seemed worse, but it could definitley be the power my house is from like the 1950's. I unplugged the k 12s from the sx and it still made the noise. I am using the DDJ SX which i now see has had some issues with this? That is what i have 1/4 to xlr running to the sub which i havent heard any problems there.
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:20 PM - 28 February, 2014
Could be power then. Go to another outlet in your house and give that a shot. I use an SX also and I don't have any hiss problems.
Joee 3:21 PM - 28 February, 2014
^ most powered speakers make a little his when you turn them on, but nothing major
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:24 PM - 28 February, 2014
yea, exactly...you may hear a "tad" but that's just the power going through it. Playing music at event he lowest level will by far drown it out. But if you are getting a major hiss then there is a problem.
M.Mal 3:26 PM - 28 February, 2014
yeah i figured that too but some people have complained about it specifically with the sx and k12's and at 0db it just seemed really noticeable, so i am hoping it's that dirty power.
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:33 PM - 28 February, 2014
Interesting. I don't know anyone with SX and K12s that can confirm...or even anyone with K12s that I can test out myself.

Keep us posted.
M.Mal 3:34 PM - 28 February, 2014
im going up to PA tonight so im gonna have to do some more trial and errors. any other quick tips that may help or that i should know in regards to the powered speakers? Thanks again for the input guys, really appreciate it.
Asu 3:55 PM - 28 February, 2014
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concert type of arrayable

taking all that into consideration, you don't have enough money you need to be looking at the things you don't want to get

4 ev zxa5 = $5,400

4 yorkville LS801P = $4,600

that system is $10,000 exactly ......for you budget there is nothing better that you can buy that gives you the SPL/OutPut/coverage needed


almost forgot about the ZXA5,what about angles with 2 per side? with that 90x60 horn,is there a 60x60 version like the SX300 have?
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:57 PM - 28 February, 2014
Yes there is! :)
They even have in the manual the best way to "array" them when flown.

I think 4 ZXA with 4 yorks would be a killer system for 1000 people. Even for the 1500
Asu 4:05 PM - 28 February, 2014
i can get slightly used ZXA5 90x60 version for $1300 a peice,would those be easy to "array"
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:08 PM - 28 February, 2014
You can get brand new for $1350-$1400. For an extra $50-$100 I would get new.

They would array the same, but you will have more comb filtering than with the 60 degree version.
Joee 4:11 PM - 28 February, 2014
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almost forgot about the ZXA5,what about angles with 2 per side? with that 90x60 horn,is there a 60x60 version like the SX300 have?

for two placed side by side (touching) you would want the 60x60,if you want to spread them out than the 90x60 is what you want

they did make a 60x60 zxa5, i'm not sure if they still do? i don't see why they still wouldn't
Joee 4:12 PM - 28 February, 2014
also if you can up your budget to say $13,000 to $14,000, you can get the array you want

it will buy you 4 vrx subs & 4 vrx tops
Joee 4:14 PM - 28 February, 2014
& for good measure ,just something else to consider
www.kpodj.com

you can add one more sub and top, one sub/top at either side of the room and one in the middle
Asu 4:20 PM - 28 February, 2014
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You can get brand new for $1350-$1400. For an extra $50-$100 I would get new.

They would array the same, but you will have more comb filtering than with the 60 degree version.


new for $1400? give me a link asap :-)

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for two placed side by side (touching) you would want the 60x60,if you want to spread them out than the 90x60 is what you want


Noted,great advice guys,everyone swears by the ZXA5,that gives me confidence right there.

plus i can just use 2 without a sub for wedding type events of 200 people right?

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also if you can up your budget to say $13,000 to $14,000, you can get the array you want

it will buy you 4 vrx subs & 4 vrx tops


i think i'll go the EV route since i can use just 2 for smaller gigs.still debating the Yorkville size/weight but damn the continuous 133db spl is very impressive vs qsc or PRX700 XLF but like i said,i'm usually doing gigs by my self so PRX718 XLF was looking good.
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:26 PM - 28 February, 2014
Proaudiostar.com. Chat with them and they should give you that $1350-$1400 price. Only reason I did not buy from them is I am in NY so I have to pay tax. tax on 2 of them brought them over another vendor I use. I did get my York from them tho.

I did a 130 person wedding with just the 2 EVs last weekend with no issue at all. Sounded great. I have another wedding next Friday (prob about the same amount of people) and I don't think I will bring my sub there either.

I am still learning the ZXA myself in terms of how much I can push the bass up when not using subs.

If you have a good way to transport the yorks they will be your best bet. They have wheels so pretty easy to move around. I did notice tho for me, I am a tad to tall for them when wheeling long distances. I have to slouch over too much and it is uncomfortable, so long distances I will put them on my hand truck, but short distances is no problem with their wheels. Stairs are another story though! You def need help for that!
Joee 4:34 PM - 28 February, 2014
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new for $1400? give me a link asap :-)

this speaker can be had for the $1,500 price range
www.jblpro.com

this one can be found for the $2,000 maybe less price range
www.jblpro.com

the best bang for the buck is hands down the zxa5 and LS801P
Asu 4:36 PM - 28 February, 2014
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Proaudiostar.com. Chat with them and they should give you that $1350-$1400 price.


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I did a 130 person wedding with just the 2 EVs last weekend with no issue at all. Sounded great


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but short distances is no problem with their wheels. Stairs are another story though! You def need help for that!


yeah i guess there's a trade off for which ever i choose but having that spl is a positive...
Joee 4:37 PM - 28 February, 2014
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I did a 130 person wedding with just the 2 EVs last weekend with no issue at all. Sounded great. I have another wedding next Friday (prob about the same amount of people) and I don't think I will bring my sub there either.

they do sound good don't they, nice bass for not bringing a sub


but........ but but...........but

two zxa5's vs two 312a's & one sub 718as?

witch one would you prefer for those up to 200 people weddings?
JDforKing 4:41 PM - 28 February, 2014
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I did a 130 person wedding with just the 2 EVs last weekend with no issue at all. Sounded great. I have another wedding next Friday (prob about the same amount of people) and I don't think I will bring my sub there either.

they do sound good don't they, nice bass for not bringing a sub


but........ but but...........but

two zxa5's vs two 312a's & one sub 718as?

witch one would you prefer for those up to 200 people weddings?


Don't you like your 2 rcf 312a and a pair of rcf 705 set up better than using a pair of zxa5 for weddings?
Joee 4:46 PM - 28 February, 2014
^ my point exactly......if i don't need the super loud SPL.......in that case the rcf's can't hang
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:53 PM - 28 February, 2014
Of course having some extra bass would be nice.

I may end up getting a Yorkville LS720p to take with me on some smaller wedding gigs, but its not necessary really as the ZXAs are more than adequate. I said a while back I tend to play a little loud so I like having the extra headroom.
The DJ I work for just landed another big house account (and they have a big room), so I'm sure i'm sure glad I got the ZXAs to keep up with that size room. Will def need another ls801 for there too.
Next on purchase list
1 - Finish buying 2nd truss/moving head setup
2 - 2nd Yorkville
3 - DDJ SZ
4 - 2 Plasma TV setup
5 - LS720

1 through 3 will probably all happen this year
JDforKing 5:26 PM - 28 February, 2014
I'm really liking my yamaha dxr8 yamaha dxs12 combo for weddings.
Joee 5:29 PM - 28 February, 2014
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I'm really liking my yamaha dxr8 yamaha dxs12 combo for weddings.

i would have went that rout but i already had the 12 sub 8 top combo, zxa1sub/zxa1 & wanted a little more


but something tells me the yamaha has more spl ,i think i would have been happy with that dxs12/dxr8 combo
JDforKing 5:34 PM - 28 February, 2014
I had the zxa1 sub combo before i switched to the yamaha. The yamaha puts out much more spl...not even close. The zxa1 sounds a little better than the yamaha dxr8, but limits too fast for my liking.
Joee 5:41 PM - 28 February, 2014
the one thing i don't like about the dxs12 is it weighs more than the rcf 15 so i went with the rcf, you have me wanting to hear the dxs12 now
Al Poulin 5:53 PM - 28 February, 2014
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the one thing i don't like about the dxs12 is it weighs more than the rcf 15 so i went with the rcf, you have me wanting to hear the dxs12 now


The RCF likely sounds better, but I believe both are bandpass boxes. The beauty of the DXS12 is the amount of sound it produces considering its price and the fact that it is a 12". The box is big however and fairly heavy.
Joee 5:57 PM - 28 February, 2014
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The RCF likely sounds better

a good vs would be rcf sub 705as vs the yamaha dxs15

but that yamaha is 83lbs.....for me thats too heavy for a 15 especially considering that the jbl vrx918sp is a 85lbs 18"
JDforKing 6:00 PM - 28 February, 2014
the yamaha dxs12 is 72lbs and my jbl prx718s is 78lbs, but the difference lies in the distribution of the weight and size of the cabinet, which makes the dxs12 easier to carry.
Joee 6:04 PM - 28 February, 2014
the rcf 705-as is 70lbs
Joee 6:04 PM - 28 February, 2014
thats a 15" sub
Joee 6:06 PM - 28 February, 2014
and the prx718 is 81lbs
www.jblpro.com

i really want to hear the 715 it's only 56lbs if it sound good i will switch from rcf to jbl
JDforKing 6:08 PM - 28 February, 2014
No doubt, that rcf sub is probably a better sub than my yamaha dxs12. I looked into getting one but with shipping it was $910. I got one of my yamaha dxs12 for $400 used on ebay in great shape.
Joee 6:12 PM - 28 February, 2014
great price, i got mine for $780 shipped, i bought at the dj expo
Joee 6:12 PM - 28 February, 2014
and you got a smoking deal, i would have bought it to
dj_soo 9:44 PM - 1 March, 2014
I usually run a yorkville nx720s (version of the ls720p but without the rat fur) or two with my k12s or Dxr10s.

Sounds good - nice low end and clean sounding. Not the lowest tho (although neither is the ls801p) and don't expect the performance
volumes of the 801s.

I prefer to use two generally, but a single and a pair of tops can get you probably up to 150 people in a pinch.
Al Poulin 1:33 AM - 2 March, 2014
A pair of DXR8s (or 10s) over a pair of DXS12s makes an excellent (and pretty compact) wedding system. I really love mine! I've almost never never seen the limit lights blink. (except one time when a band plugged into my system - a special treat for the married couple - that invaded my beautiful already set up stage with their drums, guitars etc.. bastards)

Anyway, The DXR8 tops are tiny and get surprisingly loud when hi passed, while the subs are fairly big (same size as an LS720P), but this size contributes greatly to all of the SPL produced by a single 12"...

Al
JDforKing 4:46 PM - 2 March, 2014
Hey al, how do you think 2 yamaha dxs12 stack up against 1 qsc kw181 or a jbl prx718xlf.
Al Poulin 5:14 PM - 2 March, 2014
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Hey al, how do you think 2 yamaha dxs12 stack up against 1 qsc kw181 or a jbl prx718xlf.


I would think a pair of close coupled DXS12s would produce as much SPL if not more, the sound just wouldn't be as deep or musical sounding as what comes out of the PRX and KW. The DXS12s produce lots of SPL for 12" subs, but even in X-TENDED LF, they're not going nearly as deep as either of the 18s will.

Al
Asu 2:46 PM - 3 March, 2014
ok found the ZXA5 60x60 version that actually has a 100Hz selectable high pass for use with subwoofers.

The 60x60 version is perfect for clustering of 2 per side :-)

Still debating weather to buy the heavy Yorkville or settle for the new ETX-18SP with a powerful DVX3180A driver (same as in their array subs) but much lighter and goes much lower than the Yorkville.

May settle for the lighter sub since i usually have no help.

otherwise,Thanks guys
Papa Midnight 2:53 PM - 3 March, 2014
Has anyone actually seen the 15" PRX700 subs yet?
Asu 3:09 PM - 3 March, 2014
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Has anyone actually seen the 15" PRX700 subs yet?


someone said on here or another thread that they heard them and they go lower than the QSC KW181
Asu 3:20 PM - 3 March, 2014
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Has anyone actually seen the 15" PRX700 subs yet?


someone said on here or another thread that they heard them and they go lower than the QSC KW181


sorry thought you meant the 18" just realized you said 15"
Papa Midnight 3:38 PM - 3 March, 2014
Yeah, I've tested out the 18" in person, but I have yet to see the 15" anywhere.
Asu 7:30 PM - 3 March, 2014
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Yeah, I've tested out the 18" in person, but I have yet to see the 15" anywhere.


Is it true the 718XLF is lower than the QSC...haven't had a chance my self...but i think i'm getting the new EV ETX-18SP just to stick to EV gear.
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:46 PM - 3 March, 2014
I think the EV will sound better than both the JBL and QSC
caliguy 2:02 AM - 25 March, 2014
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hopefully we'll get 'em at $899 street at least

Thats not going to happen.

It doesn't mean you cant get lucky and get that price, but based on dealer cost you have a close to zero chance of getting that price anytime soon on the ETX-12P.