I love it. Can you teach me how to make it work with my turntables?

lol

lol fair enough ...
Im talking in terms of strictly using a dvs system ...
Using SSL still shows you your bpm which you can use to visually match it.

I'm just wondering cause I took part in a competition and a guy with an NS7 murdered his set but when judges realized he synced they docked him hard ... I felt like it wasnt that big a deal but he basically went from top 3 to bottom 3

Yea granted if your spinning records with all kinds different sounds on ... Beat matching is a necessary skill ...
I'm just talking in terms of strictly Hard drive library DJs

HaHaHa...

Have any of the guys that constantly throw the 'you can't sync with TT's' argument ever used Traktor?

It is possible. It's a soft sync so to speak. It just matches the tempo's and overrides where your pitch is on your TT's. Obviously you still baby your mix as you normally would due to wow/flutter etc. but it just removes the need to manually get them in time.

This is not a for or against sync, I'm just curious if people are aware that it is indeed possible to sync on a DVS system as it comes up a lot on these boards.

I would be all for an auto tempo. It's not sync but a rather useful too and will prevent less screen staring matching up bpms and waveforms. If you've ever looked at the waveform and lined them up you have essentially used sync.

*shrugs shoulders and goes back to dinner *

Good to hear.

So will using your ears :)

How well did the sync work while he was scratching

I remember having to count beats and using a stopwatch so I could write the BPMs on records. Ahh technology

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He adjusted the vinly on the NS7 like anyone would when you scratch and drop a beat early or late ... lol
I feel like everyone here thinks i mean sync as in you just play a beat late or early it just lines up ...
What i meant was just the tempo sync ... only the BPMs match ... all other adjustments are done to keep the tracks matched while there are slight changes to the bpm as the tracks progress

It's no big deal to me really, but I guess I do frown upon it if the person is just mixing in one track to another and not being creative. But even still, it feels kind of nice to put your arm over and move the pitch and do something rather then just hitting a button. And it's the same thing with using DVS over a controller. There's just a nice flow to moving and adjusting vinyl over hitting the cue/play button a million times on a controller.

People use those things to battle??? Oh Lawd, I'm coming Elizabeth!!!

MY ISSUE WITH SYNC IS THE GUYS THAT USUALLY USE IT USE IT AS A CRUTCH....THEN TRY AND GET GIGS WHERE THEY CAN NOT USE THE CONTROLLER WITH THE SYNC BUTTON...AND TRAINWRECK ALL NIGHT...

If what I have personally witnessed multiple times I might have a different opinion...

now lets say it the dj came in and did not use sync for all mixes but used it in some crazy quick mixing routine and not as a crutch my view would not be the same...sadly I do not see people pushing boundaries because of sync....

you have a bpm display , waveforms , cue points.....is sync really needed?

lol every competition isnt an old school turntable battle ...
ahh ...



Thats the best thing I've heard so far ... makes the most sense



I totally agree with you ... I dont think sync should replace beat matching ... I just feel it needs to be frowned upon a little less ...

now lets say it the dj came in and did not use sync for all mixes but used it in some crazy quick mixing routine and not as a crutch my view would not be the same...sadly I do not see people pushing boundaries because of sync....



??? You ever see Craze? Shifty? Atrak?....No Boundries being pushed by those dudes, you're right.

yup, did a gig at a large venue in downtown chicago and they would not let any outside gear in. they had the djm pioneer 600 mixer and 2 cdj 1000s. didnt have my serato box (another story) so i burned six cds (had blank ones in my car) walked in with them and my headphones. my set was only for 1 1/2 hrs. the following dj was like "um where is your laptop"? i just giggled and said I'll check my fb and email later.

I did a 'glow' party recently at my casino residency and they brought out a couple other Dj's. The opener came from Seattle so I let him use my M5g's and '57 and he did a solid set consisting of mostly breaks. I went 2nd. The closing DJ (who works out there as a card dealer) had a Traktor/S4 controller and all he did was essentially "play songs" wedding/radio style with maybe 2 sec. of overlap and rather abrupt segues going from 128 to 87 bpm etc. His song choices were cool though. Afterward I told him "I enjoyed your selections"

we all know what they use sync for which in my opinion is fine....They are not using it as a crutch but a tool...which is not the case with most people that use sync...

What I am saying is use sync if you want AFTER you learn how to do the basics...use it to ENHANCE your performance not as a way of pretending you know how to do something.

lol yup done that one before

Word up, totally agree. +1

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Sync is a tool, nothing more.

If you view DJing as a craft - something to learn and develop to become better at, then it's just that a tool you might use on occasion to achieve an end. It's no different than bpm analyzation, bpm driven effects, samplers that quantize, and other things we see in the DJ industry now. For these people sync vs no sync isn't an issue - and it's viewed no different than 'cheating' by warping an old Motown track where the drummer was drunk or performed live without a click track. Because let's be honest - REAL DJs who use those tracks ride the pitch fader. ;) (Think about it...)

For some it's a tool that they try not to use, but understand that sometimes a mix just doesn't seem to 'work' and sync is helpful in getting over the 'humps' of learning. If you don't think that 'sync' can be used as a learning tool, I disagree. Try using some software with sync, and then ride the pitch a little out and listen. If you struggle with what to listen for and which way to pitch a track, it's a great learning tool.

And for some it's a tool they use to pretend they're better than they really are. If you are using sync regularly to replace talent you have no interesting in learning you should be driven out of the business and shown for the unethical bastard you really are.

Either step up, learn, and develop some real talent or get the hell out. Don't pretend to know more than you do by using technology to overcome your own apathy and ignorance.

The problem isn't sync. The problem is apathy coupled with ego.

Whenever I think about sync I just look at this video of Craze......essentially he is mixing from track to track using sync but at the same time you never doubt his skills because of the things he's doing that sync will never bring him.....scratching, song selection, when and where to mix a track, etc. He never touches the pitch once but creates a bomb ass set so do we really look down on him just because he used sync?

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NO....he knows what he is doing...The issue is with those who have not learned basic and use it as a crutch....Enough with Craze Shifty Atrak blah blah blah....they put in work and are using the tool properly...sadly most don't

I don't know??? I saw the LED meters in the red the whole time! :)

HaHaHa...
RED is the new GREEN in music production.

Everytime someone brings up Craze in regards to sync i remember watching a vid of his where about 3/4 into his set he was explaining how the Amen break was used to create DnB, so he played the break, then cranked it up to DnB speed to show what it became, then he dropped the next track which was unknowlingly synced up and the next track played at 45 speed instead of 33, he fixed it real quick looked dead into the camera and said something like damn that sync button

Boom!

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SYNC is good if you use it as a tool. For remixing or 4 deck mixing, it is somewhat a necessity. So if you know the basics of DJing, IE Beat matching by ear, counting bars, and phrasing your mixes and being proficient at them. Then SYNC away if you want.

It is also a double edged sword. A lot of people use SYNC as a mean of short cutting learning the basics. These are the same DJs that will undercut and/or do gigs for a bar tab or worse, free. These DJs have no pride in the craft and just after the fame and attention. Unfortunately, due to the ease of becoming a DJ nowadays, these so called DJs are growing in numbers, f***king up the game.

There is no way that it's a direct output so why would it matter? Craze isn't doing a barmitzvah with his self-powered JBL's guy!!! Sound board, sound guy.

Huh?

Even if there's a FOH mixer, once you clip the signal, you're just feeding a distorted signal to the main desk. All they're doing is lowering the level of the distorted signal.

Red doesn't always equal clipped signal.

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Riding that fine line of not clipping. Like Bezzle rides the fine line of not being funny or annoying.

If thats you analagy then he is indeed clipping.....TERRIBLY lol

HAHA!

NEVER even seen what my mixers RED leds look like ..... NM NH

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[Quote]For remixing or 4 deck mixing, it is somewhat a necessity

It is never a necessity - djs having being doing stuff like that with pure skill and technique long before autosync

Ritchie Hawtin, circa 1993.

...or Jeff Mills.

My mixer dosent even have red lights lol

Still rocking that nuemak bezz??

Nm nh

Yep lol

Man..... If you get some bread to spend on a mixer... Now is the time... Been in the market for a new mixer and there are some impressive mixes out there...

Ya, im on the verge of springing for a 62 but everytime i get ready to pull the trigger some production gear or speakera grab my eye lol

The ni mixer is legit for the price... IMHO the 62 is grossly over priced for what you get.

Ya, cant argue with that...plus ive stopped doin mainstream events and begun focusing in undergrounds....kinda hard to justify a $2000 mixer when your playing with 4 other guys who are using $500 all in one controllers lol

I kinda wish i would have picked up that ni joint when it was on sale a month ago

I wish my guitar center carried good shit...im a notorious instore impulse buyer

I own both a completely disagree. Both are good for their price. The 62 does give you more, a for a turntablist/scratch DJ the Rane faders are just better.

Rane 2 channel mixer with 2 USB cards and rane faders, control the software natively. Great set of features... For 2 grand??????


If that ni joint goes on sale again... Imma pick one up for back up to the back up

Good thing you'll have 3 of them cause when you breath on it wrong it will break. I had the thing for a week and the paint wore off the face completely. I talked the same shit a first, thought the Z2 was so dope. Try getting NI to do anything. I've been up their ass for new faceplate. I keep being told I'd get one in the mail. That was 5 months ago. Then a dropped the thing from waste high and busted off a knob. Had a bad fader in my 62, Rane had me a new one in less than a week. IMHO, there is no fuckin' with Rane. My tune has changed.

Yeah the paint off the Z2 comes off right away. You'll see it happen on the cross fader and up faders. I don't really care so much about that though.

Im not paying $1500 just to keep the paint on my faders lol

62 is a high end mixer - you get high end sound, build, design, and components.

Z2 is a mid-range mixer - for the price it's actually pretty good and it functions pretty well with serato (and you get traktor with it too) but they're totally in different classes.

Totally agree. Lots of mixers seem like they calibrate the LED level meters inaccurately as some sort of visual fail safe for incompetent DJs.

But, I never said anything about red = clipping. Just correcting what you said as it is inaccurate. If the sound is thrashed on the DJ mixer, feeding it into another desk is only going to lower the thrashed signal. It's still gonna sound like ass.

why would you even want to test if hitting red will cost distortion ..... STAY OFF THE RED....


NM NH

fuck that! SYNC till the day i die. if i was tagging up my cds with bpms of every song years ago... now that technology gives you a bpm read out? and a button to move the pitch fader in place????? O_O by all means i'm hitting the sync... of course i still keep my golden rule no mixing of more the 3-\+3 even with master tempo... i hear the damn difference.... but it's cool if you are doing more then mixing say live remixing?? yea i'm with that

Not sure if this was directed at me, but if so, I'm not advocating it at all.

However, it's actually a good idea to test your equipment and see where it starts to fall apart. Some mixers hit the red on the channel meters when the gain is at 9 o'clock. It's VERY hard to believe that at such a low level it is clipping even if the track is really dynamic. SO testing it can prove this.

Every DJ wants to be louder than the one prior to him in a club, so knowing what the limitations of the gear is allows you to plan and give yourself some headroom as the night progresses.

shoot ... i don't want sound louder .... i want to sound better .....

Hey, I agree. But, we're in the minority. :/

it's funny when i get the signals out of the red and the sound just gets better and the guy playing looks at me like WTF???? and then realizes it sounds way better then he smiles and tell me thanx!!! I then proceed to tell his noob ass to STAY OFF THE MATHA FUCKING RED!!!

One of my biggest regrets if djing was learning on and constantly using my shit mixer so long, it has a built in limiter and no reads so when i do play in good shit i forget that you can go overboard on the sound