Announcing: DVS Expansion Pack for Serato DJ

Posted on 31 July, 2014

We're excited to announce the DVS Expansion Pack for supported Serato DJ controllers. 

Controllers able to take advantage of the DVS Expansion Pack are known as "DVS upgrade ready" devices, while hardware that supports DVS natively are called "DVS ready". Check out the first list of DVS upgrade ready controllers below:

  • Pioneer DDJ-SX2
  • Numark N4
  • Denon MC6000mkII

In terms of other controllers that have hardware mixers - The Pioneer DDJ-SX will not support DVS Expansion Pack as the hardware is not technically capable of this. The Vestax VCI-380 and VCI-400 require firmware updates from before support can be developed - when these are available we can add support in Serato DJ.

Available this September in Serato DJ 1.7. This Expansion Pack can be purchased and activated in-app through the My Serato window or the Serato Online Store for USD $99.

NOTE: This will only be available in the full release version of Serato DJ 1.7 and is not available during the public beta period.

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181 Comments

Dj L-Biz 4:44 PM - 4 August, 2014
great news eventually for vci380 users!

been a great day for Serato
Alex Padilla DJ AMP 4:45 PM - 4 August, 2014
Will the Numark NS6 be compatible for DVS?
Karl Y 5:18 PM - 4 August, 2014
The Numark NS6 is not capable to support DVS hardware wise.
This is a hardware limitation and there is nothing we can do about it. Sorry.

(This is the same as with the Pioneer DDJ-SX)

Even though it has the connectors at the back, it doesn't send the signals up the USB stream.
They are only sent to the built in analogue hardware mixers channels.
Serato DJ can only see the master signal (used for recording, including external sources) but not the individual channels.
DJ Compiler 5:33 PM - 4 August, 2014
What about the TM4? Its aux connector can be sent to software
deejdave 5:55 PM - 4 August, 2014
"The Pioneer DDJ-SX will not support DVS Expansion Pack as the hardware is not technically capable of this." I don't know HOW many arguments I got into and how many people who said I was wrong (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) but I have been saying this before the DDJ-SX was even released LOL. I am glad it finally came out in writing.


@ Karl Y More importantly when is this SDJ 1.7 public Beta period starting?
Sand 6:03 PM - 4 August, 2014
Will the NS7 2 be capable of DVS expansion?
Karl Y 6:06 PM - 4 August, 2014
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@ Karl Y More importantly when is this SDJ 1.7 public Beta period starting?

Very soon, but I can't say more than that

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Will the NS7 2 be capable of DVS expansion?

No, unfortunately not, for the same reason as Pioneer DDJ SX and Numark NS 6
deejdave 6:21 PM - 4 August, 2014
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Will the NS7 2 be capable of DVS expansion?

No, unfortunately not, for the same reason as Pioneer DDJ SX and Numark NS 6

I am actually glad that the DDJ-SX & NS7II aren't compatible with Serato DJ DVS expansion pack.

I actually have all three but I know for a fact that MANY people purchased the SZ with the DVS capabilities being a large reason. It would kind of be a huge slap in the face to simply add to it's (almost direct) competitor and it's (direct) predecessor.

This happens to be a case of design and neither the SX nor the NS7II being capable (due to wiring & routing) but if it weren't I I would hope a decision would be made anyways.
tekpro 6:56 PM - 4 August, 2014
Will this also apply to the Denon DN-X600 and DN-X1600 mixers? If so...game over!
deejdave 7:03 PM - 4 August, 2014
No it won't. Neither are compatible with Serato DJ in any way. They can both be used with Serato DJ with a Sl2, SL3 or SL4 though as normal. Serato DJ DVS expansion is EXACTLY how it sounds. It EXPANDS on what is already there. If there was no Serato DJ support to begin with (as in every Denon mixer ever made) there can be no expansion of said support.
Dokumentary 7:11 PM - 4 August, 2014
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"The Pioneer DDJ-SX will not support DVS Expansion Pack as the hardware is not technically capable of this." I don't know HOW many arguments I got into and how many people who said I was wrong (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) but I have been saying this before the DDJ-SX was even released LOL. I am glad it finally came out in writing.


deejdave, Are you sure that the DDJ-SX isn't capable of DVS? It's not really clear if this is the case or not.
Dokumentary 7:11 PM - 4 August, 2014
Kidding Buddy... Love u.
deejdave 7:14 PM - 4 August, 2014
L......M......A.......O I was literally like Whhhhhhaaaaaat ........................ until I read the next post Hahaha. You got me. You def did.
Sand 7:22 PM - 4 August, 2014
Will 1.7 have a midi panel added like scratch live had?
Karl Y 7:24 PM - 4 August, 2014
yes \o/


See here:
serato.com
Karl Y 7:34 PM - 4 August, 2014
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@ Karl Y More importantly when is this SDJ 1.7 public Beta period starting?

Very soon, but I can't say more than that

NOW
serato.com

:D
deejdave 7:52 PM - 4 August, 2014
AWESOME Thanks Karl!!
DJ Compiler 7:56 PM - 4 August, 2014
Hate to beat a dead horse but what about the TM4?
deejdave 8:05 PM - 4 August, 2014
Doesn't the TM4 only have one set of inputs? How could the TM4 control DVS with only one set of inputs? I think this kind of answers itself.
DJ Compiler 8:12 PM - 4 August, 2014
Yes but one is better than none. In the situation that I would want tactile control offered by vinyl, it might be worth having.
DJ Compiler 8:12 PM - 4 August, 2014
I do understand if it isn't though.
DJ Focker 9:24 PM - 4 August, 2014
Hello Karl Y-

Any chance the new Numark NV will be DVS Compatible?
I understand if it's too soon to tell!

Thx!
Logan D 9:52 PM - 4 August, 2014
No, the Numark NV will not be DVS-capable.
djdomination 10:14 PM - 4 August, 2014
im using 2 technics 1200 sl3 sdj 1.6.3 & a numark x6 mixer if i get the Akai AMX & akai afx do i need this DVS Expansion Pack for Serato DJ? or can i use the akai amx & afx wifout getting this?
Logan D 10:17 PM - 4 August, 2014
The AMX unlocks SDJ when plugged in, and works as a standalone 'controller', purchasing the expansion pack for it will unlock it's DVS capabilities. The AFX is a OSA device and simply works when connected with any Serato SDJ supported hardware.
djdomination 10:20 PM - 4 August, 2014
oh ok thanx
Mr Wilks 11:08 PM - 4 August, 2014
Hey Logan...

Any chance of the DVS plugin becoming available for the HID mode on Pio players?

I'd pay $99 for HID mode to just use two USB cables.

As it's used in other DJ software it's pretty much possible... surely?
deejdave 12:24 AM - 5 August, 2014
WOW I didn't think of this but YES simply amazing request!! I wonder if this is a per sound card thing or if the one expansion will allow it for all supported devices.
DylanVE 12:58 AM - 5 August, 2014
Does this mean that we can expect many more SDJ DVS compatible mixers in the near future?
DylanVE 12:59 AM - 5 August, 2014
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Does this mean that we can expect many more SDJ DVS compatible mixers in the near future?


Just to clarify, I'm wondering about mixers, not controllers.
deejdave 1:04 AM - 5 August, 2014
All Native Serato DJ Mixers are already DVS compatible (Obviously) already so how could this possibly affect that number?
deejdave 1:05 AM - 5 August, 2014
Which one would you like to add DVS to LOL serato.com
DylanVE 1:12 AM - 5 August, 2014
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All Native Serato DJ Mixers are already DVS compatible (Obviously) already so how could this possibly affect that number?


Clearly I'm talking about DVS mixers from other manufacturers other than Rane or Pioneer. A bit more competition in this area would be nice.
deejdave 1:23 AM - 5 August, 2014
Wouldn't the mixer have to support Serato DJ in order to add an EXPANSION pack to it? You really can't expand on something that isn't there. This isn't adding Serato DJ support to anything it is adding DVS support to native Serato devices.

Even without this as a business I am not sure how much sense it would make for Serato to release an expansion that adds support to mixers that they don;t make any money off of.
DylanVE 1:31 AM - 5 August, 2014
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Wouldn't the mixer have to support Serato DJ in order to add an EXPANSION pack to it? You really can't expand on something that isn't there. This isn't adding Serato DJ support to anything it is adding DVS support to native Serato devices.

Even without this as a business I am not sure how much sense it would make for Serato to release an expansion that adds support to mixers that they don;t make any money off of.


Yes, that's why I said "in the future". Obviously they would have to be Serato supported devices.
deejdave 2:05 AM - 5 August, 2014
I think your question should be "are any manufacturers other than Rane or Pioneer ever going to release a native Serato DJ mixer? When considering the fact that every mixer that HAS ever been released by Serato HAS DVS and any mixer that will EVER be released by Serato WILL HAVE DVS. This expansion is for Controllers being typically they DON'T have DVS. The ONLY one that had it thus far was the SZ. Therefore this would have NOTHING to do with mixers. As a matter of fact the ONLY thing this could add if it DID affect mixers is a $100 charge when it should have had it to begin with.



I think it is safe to say this DVS Expansion pack has absolutely NOTHING to do with mixers. Again I see nothing wrong with asking Serato if any other manufacturers will be teaming up with them to release a new SDJ mixer.

Then again we have to attack this word "Mixers" now though with the changing times (not saying it is a bad thing)

The Akai AMX serato.com is technically a mixer and if this is what you are speaking of then sure I would expect to see a few more of its kind. I myself would consider the AMX more of a controller though. I mean I don't think it even has line inputs so the only thing you will be mixing are the decks on SDJ. But if this is in fact what you mean by mixer than obviously there will be others as one has already been announced.

Now that I think about it I am guessing the ONLY things this "mixer" (Akai AMX) COULD control are Pioneer CDJ's without paying the $100 for the DVS expansion in which case almost any player (digital or analog) could be used. I own two pairs of CDJ's so I will probably end up picking up an AMX but if not what a bummer huh?
DylanVE 2:44 AM - 5 August, 2014
I didn't actually mention the "Expansion pack" for mixers. I asked if there would be "more SDJ DVS compatible mixers". Since DVS is now being made available for controllers made by many different manufacturers, I'm asking if the same will be true for mixers. I don't think there is anything wrong with my question.

Would be great to hear from Serato on this.
Terrence B 3:28 AM - 5 August, 2014
So I just need to get with my engineer to reroute the signal to the usb stream for the DDJ-SX :)
deejdave 3:55 AM - 5 August, 2014
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I didn't actually mention the "Expansion pack" for mixers. I asked if there would be "more SDJ DVS compatible mixers". Since DVS is now being made available for controllers made by many different manufacturers, I'm asking if the same will be true for mixers. I don't think there is anything wrong with my question.

Would be great to hear from Serato on this.


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Does this mean that we can expect many more SDJ DVS compatible mixers in the near future?


Sorry I must have slipped with what "This" meant. I figured since you posted in the DVS Expansion Pack for Serato DJ blog that "This" meant the same.........................

Serato does not offer any insight as to future products or updates but as you said no harm in asking.
deejdave 3:55 AM - 5 August, 2014
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So I just need to get with my engineer to reroute the signal to the usb stream for the DDJ-SX :)


LOL That's a good one. Add the NS7II and the NS6 to the list while at it.
Terrence B 3:57 AM - 5 August, 2014
I work for Clear Channel and my engineer is one of the best in the country. I'll let you know :)
deejdave 4:05 AM - 5 August, 2014
You are probably forgetting that even if he rerouted Serato would have to include the the DDJ-SX to the supported list as simply being wired properly is NOT enough. Case in point the VCI-380 & 400 are properly wired as is already YET can NOT support this until the firmware is released by the manufacturer.

"The Vestax VCI-380 and VCI-400 require firmware updates from before support can be developed - when these are available we can add support in Serato DJ."

To put it bluntly EVEN IF you were able to reroute properly (which you probably won't be) I am not sure how quick Pioneer would be to release a firmware update for ONE person who decided to void his warranty by opening up his SX THEN have Serato DJ add this hacked setup to the supported list within SDJ.

I wouldn't risk not having your SX work properly ever again just to run into the wall of a fact that without Serato adding the DVS support in Serato DJ for the SX it will never be a reality.

Unless you are pulling my leg which I really can't tell anymore LOL. I mean I've been at this since day one with the SX never being able to support DVS. Finally the Serato team comes out and flat out says never and yet.......................... LOL.
Terrence B 4:16 AM - 5 August, 2014
deejdave,
I'm with you I just recently purchased my SX over a traktor rig because I thought I would have DVS functionality. I'm sure that my engineer probably could do this, but alas I was just joking about it. The new AKAI boxes look promising, but now I'm spending extra money for what? I think the SX is an interesting tool it just feels weird trying to play out with it. It's a personal thing, but I never see any hardcore guys using in public just tt's and cdj's. Would have been nice though.
deejdave 6:35 AM - 5 August, 2014
Dead on there. I am diggin the new Akai's and I too chose the SX but then purchased an SZ in addition. While they do NOT replace my main rigs nor do I see them out professionally the thing is I chose them for the familiar feel & layout when doing small gigs & practicing. Again not to replace but more or less to emulate the real thing for me.
Dokumentary 7:58 AM - 5 August, 2014
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deejdave,
I'm with you I just recently purchased my SX over a traktor rig because I thought I would have DVS functionality. I'm sure that my engineer probably could do this, but alas I was just joking about it. The new AKAI boxes look promising, but now I'm spending extra money for what? I think the SX is an interesting tool it just feels weird trying to play out with it. It's a personal thing, but I never see any hardcore guys using in public just tt's and cdj's. Would have been nice though.

Anything is possible. I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult. The DDJ-SX is capable of DVS with minimal effort. (no re-routing required). It works well with SSL and also works with SDJ. You obviously won't be able to use all the features (jogwheels in particular) but now that SDJ 1.7 beta has MIDI panel, it's a lot more workable as a hardware MIDI mixer with an SL2/3/4. I have a friend who uses his SX in this way with SSL as well as standalone in SDJ.

I'm currently using a Vestax VCI-380 as a mixer with DVS and it works great. No firmware update needed. I downloaded the Vestax MIDI .xml from the Vestax site. I made small alterations to the .xml to make the pads light up with the proper cue point colors for SSL. The jogwheels even work in internal mode.

Today I DL'd the SDJ 1.7 beta and started mapping my VCI-380 for SDJ. I only messed around for a few minutes but so far everything is working fine. You just have to map out the controls to the buttons you want to work with. There's no MIDI output lighting yet so it's not as cool as with SSL but like I said, it works fine. Also, it requires one small settings change to get SDJ to open with the VCI and SL4 connected at the same time. (It's super simple to do and also works with the DDJ-SX).

Yesterday I woulda told you how to do this trick but if Serato wants to charge $100 for this capability, then who am I to go and tell everyone how to do it now? All i can say is, I didn't discover this workaround but I did find all the info right here on this forum.

Point is: Don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't do with your gear based on what THEY think Serato wants you to know. If you think something is possible then go ahead and try it as long as you're not undermining Serato or violating the EULA. The VCI-380 is wired a little differently than the DDJ-SX but none of the tricks that I use would void warranties or violate EULAs.

Serato doesn't give a s#!t about the way I use my gear now because they know I'm gonna pay the $100 as soon as DVS expansion pack becomes available for my controller as it will give me much more "native" control and a better all around experience than the workaround I'm currently using. I'm super stoked for the DVS Expansion pack and I think that anyone who owns a compatible controller would be crazy not to pay the $ and hook up some turntables in Sept.
nik39 9:04 AM - 5 August, 2014
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The DDJ-SX is capable of DVS with minimal effort. (no re-routing required). It works well with SSL and also works with SDJ.

Since when does the DDJ-SX work with DVS?
Dokumentary 9:15 AM - 5 August, 2014
Anytime you use it as a hardware mixer with an SL1/2/3/4 box and MIDI map it in SSL.

Works with SDJ too. You just have to set it up so the program doesn't crash when you have both USBs (SL box and DDJ-SX) plugged in. It's a workaround though, like I said. You lose functionality and the buttons don't light up. No MIDI output in SDJ.

That's probably why Serato didn't delete the thread that tells you how to do it with a VC-380. It's janky and very few people will actually bother to do it. Especially since there was no MIDI panel in SDJ until yesterday. They know that anyone who has it set up like this will be happy to pay for DVS expansion in Sept.
Mr Wilks 11:49 AM - 5 August, 2014
I'm surprised nobody has internally soldered an SL2 to the inside of in SX yet.

People like to mod/hack/play on here sometimes.

I like what Woolsey did with his Denon HC-1000S light mod and I've seen Dicers placed inside Technics.

Sure, space will be limited. Maybe put a thicker 'gasket' between the two halves of the plastic case? (This would raise it a little but could be a good thing as it could be the standard mixer height).
Also, take out the board from the inside of the SL2 and see if there's room as I've never opened either.
Internally solder the audio confections and you're away.

I dare say most people wouldn't ever risk it as a used SX and SL2 are around the £1000 mark but I suppose it's a mod someone out there would try if they were a little crazy enough...
Mr Wilks 11:56 AM - 5 August, 2014
This DVS pack also paves the way for an SX MKII with a few tweaks and DVS compatability.

Maybe not in the immediate future but I'd guess it will be when the SX is hitting it's for or five year CDJ update cycle.

Coloured performance pad LEDs, Flip buttons and a DVS ready soundcard.

Maybe a year or so away?
Terrence B 11:58 AM - 5 August, 2014
So (Serato) would the DDJ-SR work? Its a newer product. If so anyone want an SX. lol
deejdave 4:24 PM - 5 August, 2014
LOL The DDJ-SR only has one set of inputs and it is an AUX. You can wait for Serato or take what we already know to draw the conclusion yourself.

Also can you imagine? Sorry the DDJ-SX for $1000 doesn't do it but it's little brother at $600 does!!!
deejdave 4:30 PM - 5 August, 2014
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This DVS pack also paves the way for an SX MKII with a few tweaks and DVS compatability.

Maybe not in the immediate future but I'd guess it will be when the SX is hitting it's for or five year CDJ update cycle.

Coloured performance pad LEDs, Flip buttons and a DVS ready soundcard.

Maybe a year or so away?



I honestly felt like this DVS pack would be more for existing products. For future products if anything it is just a way to get another $100 out of us. I mean honestly if they really wanted to to a DDJ-SXII they could have just done so with adding DVS like they did with the SZ. NO EXPANSION necessary. Hence no $100 needed. I get that the AMX is a future product but i don't know if that is just marketing or whatever. I mean someone was asking about more mixers because of this DVS pack too but .................... every mixer released for SDJ ALWAYS has DVS how does this bring anything to the table for them?

@ Mr. Wilks - You mentioned mods before. I was always impressed with Brichi's mod over at Pioneer forums forums.pioneerdj.com I am still thinking of doing this to my 900SRT. It uses the DJM-800's rotary kit modded for the 900.
Mr Wilks 8:10 PM - 5 August, 2014
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This DVS pack also paves the way for an SX MKII with a few tweaks and DVS compatability.

Maybe not in the immediate future but I'd guess it will be when the SX is hitting it's for or five year CDJ update cycle.

Coloured performance pad LEDs, Flip buttons and a DVS ready soundcard.

Maybe a year or so away?



I honestly felt like this DVS pack would be more for existing products. For future products if anything it is just a way to get another $100 out of us. I mean honestly if they really wanted to to a DDJ-SXII they could have just done so with adding DVS like they did with the SZ. NO EXPANSION necessary. Hence no $100 needed. I get that the AMX is a future product but i don't know if that is just marketing or whatever. I mean someone was asking about more mixers because of this DVS pack too but .................... every mixer released for SDJ ALWAYS has DVS how does this bring anything to the table for them?

@ Mr. Wilks - You mentioned mods before. I was always impressed with Brichi's mod over at Pioneer forums forums.pioneerdj.com I am still thinking of doing this to my 900SRT. It uses the DJM-800's rotary kit modded for the 900.


Yeah, I think that Pioneer has about a four year product cycle with their 'pro' gear so was just wondering if the MKII would be "DVS ready" like the AMX is and not including the DVS plugin to extract another $99 from our wallets and offering it as an upgrade whereas I think the SZ DVS was good to go from the start.

The reason why I was thinking it was we are coming up to three years of the SX now and a new one must be in development for release in another 12-18 months if traditional Pioneer upgrades are followed. I think there will be a trend of not including the DVS bundle but having Serato authorised soundcards inside so they can take that $99 as and when people want to upgrade.
Top tier controllers like the SZ get it as standard but I think the lower models (sub £1000) will have to cough up cold hard cash for a plugin. It's what Native have done after an initial freebee with the S4's.
As you say, every Serato standalone mixer is a DVS mixer so think there could possibly be another market open soon to push this plugin further.

And yeah, I liked that mod of the 900. I was talking to a guy here in Greece about it as he prefers rotary faders. I can't believe they haven't officially released a rotary pack for the 900s yet.
It's a great mod. I like it when people do good things with tech like that.
nik39 8:33 PM - 5 August, 2014
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Anytime you use it as a hardware mixer with an SL1/2/3/4 box and MIDI map it in SSL.

We might be having different views about what DVS compatibility means.

Of course you can hook up any audio source to a DDJ-SX. Even an SL box. that doesn't make the DDJ-SX DVS compatible.
deejdave 11:38 PM - 5 August, 2014
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Anytime you use it as a hardware mixer with an SL1/2/3/4 box and MIDI map it in SSL.

We might be having different views about what DVS compatibility means.

Of course you can hook up any audio source to a DDJ-SX. Even an SL box. that doesn't make the DDJ-SX DVS compatible.


Agreed.
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And yeah, I liked that mod of the 900. I was talking to a guy here in Greece about it as he prefers rotary faders. I can't believe they haven't officially released a rotary pack for the 900s yet.
It's a great mod. I like it when people do good things with tech like that.

Absolutely. I am all about out of the normal mods that are above & beyond stickers & such. Pioneer should know that they could be catering to such an important crowd by adding a rotary kit to the 900SRT.
Dokumentary 4:13 AM - 6 August, 2014
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Anytime you use it as a hardware mixer with an SL1/2/3/4 box and MIDI map it in SSL.

We might be having different views about what DVS compatibility means.

Of course you can hook up any audio source to a DDJ-SX. Even an SL box. that doesn't make the DDJ-SX DVS compatible.

I highly doubt it. I'm sure we both (all) know what "DVS compatible" means. None of these devices (VCI-380 or DDJ-SX) are on the list of compatible devices.
deejdave 4:16 AM - 6 August, 2014
VCI-380 will be compatible via the DVS expansion pack. All it needs is a firmware update from Vestax. DDJ-SX on the other hand will never be compatible.

"In terms of other controllers that have hardware mixers - The Pioneer DDJ-SX will not support DVS Expansion Pack as the hardware is not technically capable of this. The Vestax VCI-380 and VCI-400 require firmware updates from before support can be developed - when these are available we can add support in Serato DJ."

Direct from Serato
Dokumentary 4:16 AM - 6 August, 2014
We're talking about controllers that are capable of using with DVS and turntables. The mapping that Vestax provides on their site blurs the lines quite a bit and makes the VCI-380 more than capable with SSL but, certainly not compatible.
Dokumentary 4:22 AM - 6 August, 2014
With SDJ now having a MIDI panel and getting MIDI output lighting in the future, I'd argue that the DDJ-SX is also quite capable of being used as a mixer between two turntables. It's a bit big, unlike the compact VCI-380, so I doubt I'd use it in this way. But, like I said, I have a friend using it right now with SSL and he's very happy.

The SX won't be getting "DVS Expansion" though so it'll always be a workaround.
deejdave 4:23 AM - 6 August, 2014
Ahh yes The the line between capable and compatible.

VCI-380 + DVS + SSL = CAPABLE & UNsupported.

VCI-380 + DVS + SDJ = COMPATIBLE & Supported (Obviously AFTER the firmware update & release of SDJ DVS pack)
deejdave 4:26 AM - 6 August, 2014
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With SDJ now having a MIDI panel and getting MIDI output lighting in the future, I'd argue that the DDJ-SX is also quite capable of being used as a mixer between two turntables. It's a bit big, unlike the compact VCI-380, so I doubt I'd use it in this way. But, like I said, I have a friend using it right now with SSL and he's very happy.

The SX won't be getting "DVS Expansion" though so it'll always be a workaround.


DAMN I could never see myself connecting a SL box to a controller. HELL I got the SZ and only used the TT's with it ONCE (just to test) and I found it useless as the TT's were too far apart. I bought it for the dual sound card and colored cue points so no worries there. The DVS thing was honestly a gimmick to me to begin with. Even 19" was too much IMO between the TT's. The new AMX VERY nice size in terms of width. I would raise it a few inches though obviously. Did you check out the Serato Q&A that just ended BTW?
Dokumentary 4:39 AM - 6 August, 2014
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VCI-380 + DVS + SDJ = COMPATIBLE & Supported (Obviously AFTER the firmware update & release of SDJ DVS pack)

I'm really looking forward to this! I honestly never thought that SDJ would implement something like this. I thought I'd have to stay on SSL until I was willing to buy a Sixty-Two or find another solution.

Anything new in the DJ City Q&A? I didn't listen.
Dokumentary 4:39 AM - 6 August, 2014
What about the product announcement? Was it just the AMX/AFX?
deejdave 4:42 AM - 6 August, 2014
They kept it minimal. It more or less seemed like a way to announce the 1.7 beta by bringing up questions that were almost all addressed by the 1.7 beta itself. They brought up Stickersync and they WILL be beinging it back. They said the WILL be bringing day mode colors. Possible DJ AM control Vinyl. More Purist love and a few other not so important things for DJ City themselves.
deejdave 4:42 AM - 6 August, 2014
Oh yeah they discussed FLIP further as well
Dokumentary 5:09 AM - 6 August, 2014
I'm glad Serato is getting their focus back on DVS for sure.
dabotsonline 8:21 AM - 6 August, 2014
"tekpro 6:56 PM - 4 August, 2014

Will this also apply to the Denon DN-X600 and DN-X1600 mixers? If so...game over!"

I would also like to know this.
deejdave 3:18 PM - 6 August, 2014
No it won't be. Neither are Serato hardware to begin with. You can't add a Serato expansion pack to something that is not even Serato.
Mr Wilks 1:06 PM - 7 August, 2014
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This DVS pack also paves the way for an SX MKII with a few tweaks and DVS compatability.

Maybe not in the immediate future but I'd guess it will be when the SX is hitting it's for or five year CDJ update cycle.

Coloured performance pad LEDs, Flip buttons and a DVS ready soundcard.

Maybe a year or so away?


I think I just scared myself with this prediction.
deejdave 3:53 PM - 7 August, 2014
DAmn Sonn!! DO me a favor and say something about a Serato app for iPhone/iPad that let's you manage library on the go................. THEN I'LL be impressed.

I still say the release of this SX2 is both reckless & careless. A total F-U to the buyers.
Mr Wilks 4:17 PM - 7 August, 2014
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I still say the release of this SX2 is both reckless & careless. A total F-U to the buyers.


Totally. I just had a feeling this exact model was coming out soon but not this soon. The SX is like, what? Two years old? If that?

Is there an SP-1 MKII in the making now? Maybe next year? I seen that it's been reduced in the UK by £70 and Pio NEVER reduce stuff here without good reason.
Actually, it was overpriced anyway for what it was and the new Akai controller has just shown it up for the £329 the SP-1 was (until recently - now £252).

**Casts hands over crystal ball**
"There will be a Serato iPhone/iPad app that will handle library management soon".
Mr Wilks 4:19 PM - 7 August, 2014
And I won't be swapping my SX for it as it's not a big upgrade. New purchase then yes but upgrade? Naaah. I'll stick with the SL3 + SX combo I can take abroad separately thanks!
dj ismael garcia 4:38 AM - 8 August, 2014
good for my vestax vci380
stanstrong73 10:48 PM - 8 August, 2014
Will this DVS Expansion cover the 1st generation of the Denon DNS 6000?
rubassdj 3:28 PM - 9 August, 2014
and who bought the ddj sx last week? will return the money to trade with ddj-sx2 ??
dj zaza 9:52 AM - 11 August, 2014
Serato know it can sound silly, but since there is now this expansion pack, why not extend it to sl1 ttm57. as a matter of marketing is better to buy something up to date, but as it does with the old apple iphone is mac restricts certain functions to make sure that everyone can use the new software. not everyone uses certain functions, some merely scratch and use cue points, even those limited to the pure mixing. the hardware sl1 ttm are old but I want to remind you that even today are used. I use my sl1 since 2007, never a problem even on my retina erly 2013 seem the case but I do not have all the problems that have all the latest hardware, I am also a DJ set is 4 hours in the evening at home without the slightest problem. Serato devotes a limited version for owners of older hardware Serato. I hope my idea is shared by many
Mr Wilks 11:24 AM - 11 August, 2014
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Serato know it can sound silly, but since there is now this expansion pack, why not extend it to sl1 ttm57. as a matter of marketing is better to buy something up to date, but as it does with the old apple iphone is mac restricts certain functions to make sure that everyone can use the new software. not everyone uses certain functions, some merely scratch and use cue points, even those limited to the pure mixing. the hardware sl1 ttm are old but I want to remind you that even today are used. I use my sl1 since 2007, never a problem even on my retina erly 2013 seem the case but I do not have all the problems that have all the latest hardware, I am also a DJ set is 4 hours in the evening at home without the slightest problem. Serato devotes a limited version for owners of older hardware Serato. I hope my idea is shared by many


If you bring a more basic version out then you'd have... scratch live.

There are many features missing from SDJ that scratch live has (although that gap has narrowed with the 1.7 beta). Many top DJs are still on scratch live for this reason so if you want basic mixing and cue points/loops/samples it's already there.

A scratch live SDJ edition would be what you're after. Change the scratch live colour palette to blue/grey and "voilla!"...
dj zaza 11:51 AM - 11 August, 2014
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Serato so che può sembrare stupido, ma dato che ora c'è questo pacchetto di espansione, perché non estenderlo a SL1 ttm57. </font><font>come una questione di marketing è meglio comprare qualcosa fino ad oggi, ma come si fa con il vecchio iPhone di Apple è mac limita alcune funzioni per fare in modo che tutti possono utilizzare il nuovo software. </font><font>Non tutti usano certe funzioni, alcune solo graffi e punti di cue uso, anche quelle limitate alla miscelazione pura. </font><font>il ttm SL1 hardware sono vecchi ma voglio ricordare che ancora oggi vengono utilizzati. </font><font>Posso usare la mia SL1 dal 2007, mai un problema anche sulla mia retina tamente 2013 sembra il caso, ma non ho tutti i problemi che hanno tutto l'hardware più recente, io sono anche un dj set è di 4 ore la sera a casa senza il problema minimo. </font><font>Serato dedica una versione limitata per i possessori di hardware più vecchio Serato. </font><font>Spero che la mia idea è condivisa da molti</font></font>

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Se si mettono una versione più semplice poi fuori si avrebbe ... Scratch LIVE. </font><font>
Ci sono molte caratteristiche mancanti da SDJ che Scratch Live ha (anche se questo divario si è ridotto con la beta 1.7). </font><font>Molti i DJ sono ancora in Scratch Live per questo motivo quindi se volete miscelazione e punti di cue / loop / campioni di base è già lì. </font><font>
Un graffio vivo edizione SDJ sarebbe quello che stai cercando. </font><font>Cambiare il graffio tavolozza dei colori dal vivo al blu / grigio e "voilla!" ...
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surely you have some reason, I think it is doable, but I have no illusions that Serato can implement this possibility. at the end like some hardware is a matter of firmware. and sl1 and ttm57 are still up
Veejay Dullah 2:58 PM - 11 August, 2014
hi there i just wana knw more about this if im using denon mc6000mk2 i can be able to use timecode with serato dj using cdjs or turntables from my controller as hardware?
Karl Y 6:17 PM - 11 August, 2014
yes, the Denon MC 6000 Mk2 will support DVS control with our control CDs and vinyls.

You will need to have a Serato DJ license and a DVS expansion pack license. :)


So for example this setup will work:

- Denon MC 6000 Mk2
- Serato DJ license to upgrade from Serato DJ Intro to Serato DJ
(works with current version)

plus
- 2 * Reloop RP-8000 or Technics 1210
- 2 * Serato Control Vinyl
- DVS Expansion Pack license to unlock DVS control
(will work with 1.7.0)

If you have supported Pioneer CDJ's you can also use those in HID mode, without the DVS expansion pack and without control CDs
Check this list for supported CDJ's serato.com
And check this article serato.com

Cheers
Karl
dj zaza 7:18 PM - 11 August, 2014
Karl hello what do you think of my post about the sl1 and ttm57. I could stay on until SSL continues to operate. but it is not a bad idea to expand the plug in also have old hardware.
Karl Y 8:07 PM - 11 August, 2014
They are both not going to work for technical reasons.

Neither of them has multi channel core audio or ASIO drivers

This would be a requirement for them to work with Serato DJ
dj zaza 8:25 PM - 11 August, 2014
I understand, sin would be a good idea, but I understand the hardware limitations, I am sorry to scrap my sl1 after so many years, but if you want to keep up with the times. aspect as well as other innovations for the Akai dvs, maybe some numark mixer or other brands with a more affordable price, although my desire has always been 62.
djramo1 3:45 AM - 12 August, 2014
will the numark mix deck be able to take advantage of the dvs expansion pack
Karl Y 8:35 AM - 12 August, 2014
No, unfortunately only those controllers mentioned in the article above are capable.

simply put, there are two requirements:

- RCA inputs for the DVS signals
- the soundcard sending those inputs to the computer individually

the latter is missing for lots of controllers with a built in hardware mixer, such as
DDJ SX
Numark Mixdeck series
NS7
NS6
Dj_Arkitech 7:55 PM - 13 August, 2014
Ugh.....Serato HATES Denon....I'm convinced. Thoroughly. I should have known that from the DNS-3700. Then the 3900's came out and I'd hope they'd have support for Serato like the V7's....nope. The MC6000 MKII does....but it's the ONLY controller that comes with Serato Dj (not intro) from Denon. And even with that you have to contact Denon, register the device, and they'll send you a Serato Dj license. Smh. Long as Serato refuses to offer native support for Denon products, my use for Serato is limited.
deejdave 8:29 PM - 13 August, 2014
I believe you may be misinformed. Denon must pay a (per device) license fee and whether they choose to get involved with this is up to them. I am sure Serato could simply decide to add full support to Denon devices but being they are a business and all these things don't come free.
deejdave 8:30 PM - 13 August, 2014
This is also just the start as there are standards & minimum requirements which must be met as well. It' never quite that cut & dry.
Dj_Arkitech 3:37 PM - 14 August, 2014
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I believe you may be misinformed. Denon must pay a (per device) license fee and whether they choose to get involved with this is up to them. I am sure Serato could simply decide to add full support to Denon devices but being they are a business and all these things don't come free.


I know they would. But they've openly said they've tried to work with Serato to get more of their devices certified, but basically they refuse to do it.
deejdave 4:14 PM - 14 August, 2014
I wonder if Serato would comment on that. Also I wonder if they were just "willing to work with" or actually willing to pay the licensing fees.

This may be one of those things where the person's to blame will never truly surface only because it is simply easier to point one's finger. Without either one confirming guilt or flat out saying we are to blame it is just he said/she said.

I would love to be able to at least try Denon gear again so this would be nice.
Dj_Arkitech 4:41 PM - 14 August, 2014
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I wonder if Serato would comment on that. Also I wonder if they were just "willing to work with" or actually willing to pay the licensing fees.

This may be one of those things where the person's to blame will never truly surface only because it is simply easier to point one's finger. Without either one confirming guilt or flat out saying we are to blame it is just he said/she said.

I would love to be able to at least try Denon gear again so this would be nice.


Serato has blamed Denon, Denon has blamed Serato. I will say this though...Denon is the one who integrated Hybrid Midi mode into the S3700 by their own choice. Even up the platter resolution from 1380 to 2760 for better midi support. According to them they met repeatedly in efforts to get the spinning platter supported and Serato wouldn't. However Numark comes with the V7 and Searto works with them, no problem. I think the owners of Searto and Denon are families who hate each other. Always pointing the finger at the other LOL!

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?!?!
deejdave 4:49 PM - 14 August, 2014
Well the owners of Denon & Numark are on in the same now. (both owned by InMusic) I can see your point but then again look at that exact scenario from Serato's POV.. They DIDNT come up with a partnership so Denon goes ahead and makes an official mapping anyways trying to emulate the actual experience as much as possible??? Don't get me wrong I 100% am in support of Denon being added here but from a business POV that seems a little F'ed up.

The ONE thing I know is Serato would NEVER say no to a financial decision in their favor so I am wondering if when they me they threw EVERYTHING they had at them with the exception of the ONE thing that could actually seal the deal......................... money. I mean let's be honest would you be 100% surprised if Denon simply could not front that bill and pay the licenses ahead of time prior to actual sale.

I mean these are uncharted waters and OBVIOUSLY this is pure speculation on my part but I really can not see this being anything other than money. Can you?

They are saying the meetings took place, The ideas were/are there, the demand was/is real................................... what was/is missing?
Dj_Arkitech 4:59 PM - 14 August, 2014
True. Ultimately I think it was money. Our potentially a conflict issue with an agreement that serato had with numark. The only company to support the spinning platters in serato.
Midnight Run 5:24 PM - 18 August, 2014
WHY WOULD YOU WANT DVS WITH THESE HUGE CONTROLLERS ? l like the FLIP thing and other lil updates by SERATO..Just think those of you who think its such an issue I think have missed the shot on the need to make these BIG controllers compatable..THEY WOULDNT FIT IN A TTS SETUP ANY WAY!!!!
Dj_Arkitech 10:53 PM - 18 August, 2014
Because it allows ppl to buy 1 pice of equipment instead of multiple pieces I guess? It's easier to spend 700 on a MC6000 MKII which is a 4 channel mixer with midi functionality than to spend 1200 on a Rane 61(or $500 for an SL2 which doesn't give you nearly the functinality). Plus, a lot of ppl have 2 setups: 1 for "bigger" gigs so to speak(like a DVS setup with 1200's) and 1 for small "i just want music in the background" type stuff (like a DDJ-SR).

PERSONALLY, I'd rather have 2 tables and a mixer than 2 tables and a controller
Dokumentary 4:33 AM - 19 August, 2014
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Because it allows ppl to buy 1 pice of equipment instead of multiple pieces I guess? It's easier to spend 700 on a MC6000 MKII which is a 4 channel mixer with midi functionality than to spend 1200 on a Rane 61(or $500 for an SL2 which doesn't give you nearly the functinality). Plus, a lot of ppl have 2 setups: 1 for "bigger" gigs so to speak(like a DVS setup with 1200's) and 1 for small "i just want music in the background" type stuff (like a DDJ-SR).

PERSONALLY, I'd rather have 2 tables and a mixer than 2 tables and a controller

+1
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:27 PM - 21 August, 2014
Is there any news on when the firmware update for the Vestax VCI380 will be available. (maybe I should be asking Vestax this question, but I'm guessing Serato are involved with this update in some way)
My life will be complete once my VCI380 has DVS as well LOL.
deejdave 6:43 PM - 21 August, 2014
I would think YES this is a question for Vestax. You would think this would be TOP priority right now though.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:20 PM - 21 August, 2014
Does anyone know of a Vestax forum where I can ask such questions?
I can only find email addresses in their support section.
deejdave 7:26 PM - 21 August, 2014
If you are trying to get direct answers wouldn't you want direct e-mail addresses? Don't fear them. I get literally NOTHING from the Pioneer support forum but whenever I e-mail them directly I get a little more. It doesn't hurt that I ended up a big fish's number but still prefer the direct route. Let us know here if you have any luck.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:39 PM - 21 August, 2014
Fair comment, I will let you know what they say.
Brandon Ezekiel 1:47 PM - 23 August, 2014
can u change the fader in the NS7FX and if so what would be the best one to put in there
deejdave 4:13 PM - 23 August, 2014
Talk about left field huh? Maybe ask on one of these VVVVV posts where they were at least talking about this. The NS7 IS NOT getting the DVS upgrade so what are the chances of someone who knows about this seeing your post....................... the chances are just about as high as someone posting about it so I guess we can't write it off huh?


serato.com

serato.com

Username "Punky" works for Innofader who is responsible for the majority and the best aftermarket faders.
Brandon Ezekiel 12:40 AM - 25 August, 2014
I wanted to change my fader on my NS7FX and i wanted to kno if i can
adam8753 5:07 PM - 28 August, 2014
will it be possible to mix between dvs and normal vinyls using serato with a numark n4?
deejdave 6:13 PM - 28 August, 2014
Yes the N4 is one of the first t get DVS support. All you need to do is purchase the $99. DVS expansion pack.
adam8753 6:23 PM - 28 August, 2014
Yeah but can it play normal vinyls, not time codes, straight through when connected as dvs
deejdave 6:46 PM - 28 August, 2014
They have already said yes. Using software enabled Thru apparently.
Karl Y 10:20 PM - 28 August, 2014
That's correct. :)
DJ FUINHA 2:37 PM - 29 August, 2014
Already booked next to a shop DDJ-SX 2 From what I read, the first 10,000 units of this product are entitled to SERATO VIDEO. This information is correct? Another question is if I buy Serato DJ DVS Expansion Pack I will be able to play using Serato time code vinyls on SX2 DDJ without having to purchase any other equipment, as the DDJ-SZ ????? can someone please answer me these questions? Thank you.
dj zaza 2:45 PM - 29 August, 2014
ddj-sx2 is dvs extension, to the release of the official version of Serato dj1.7, will be released on plug-in that you can buy, so you can use the time code.
deejdave 3:23 PM - 29 August, 2014
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Already booked next to a shop DDJ-SX 2 From what I read, the first 10,000 units of this product are entitled to SERATO VIDEO. This information is correct?

This is how most of the Pioneer gear is handled YES. I ended up with 4 Serato Video vouchers because of this LOL.

DDJ-SZ
DDJ-SX
900SRT
DDJ-SP1

All came with one.

I just ordered two PLX-1000's yesterday and I will be picking up DDJ-SX2 so I am due for ether one or three more........................ probably only one DAMN LOL

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Another question is if I buy Serato DJ DVS Expansion Pack I will be able to play using Serato time code vinyls on SX2 DDJ without having to purchase any other equipment, as the DDJ-SZ ????? can someone please answer me these questions? Thank you.



YES JUST like the DDJ-SZ. The ONLY difference is the $99 DVS expansion upgrade. The good news there though is just like the Serato DJ Upgrade you will be able to use it with whatever supported (Serato DVS Expansion enabled) hardware you choose. I just don't now if they will have limits to how many accounts you can use it with like all the upgrades & expansions Serato offers.............................. y guess is YES.
dj zaza 4:02 PM - 29 August, 2014
I arrived yesterday the 62, but I did not have serato video included, paid € 2,099, maybe pioneer has another agreement with Serato !!
deejdave 4:32 PM - 29 August, 2014
Pretty sure it is only Pioneer gear and ONLY the gear I mentioned above. It did not come with my NS7II or my Rane 64. Also remember the Rane 62 is a mixer that was made for SSL not SDJ and it was developed long before Serato Video was around so not much of a chance of Serato Video being included in the deal. Great mixer though I had it before I upgraded to the 64. Just be careful with the cue buttons. Good luck with it and enjoy.
dj zaza 4:44 PM - 29 August, 2014
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Abbastanza sicuro è solo ingranaggio Pioneer e SOLO la marcia che ho citato sopra. </font><font>E non è venuto con la mia NS7II o il mio Rane 64 Ricordiamo inoltre il Rane 62 è un mixer che è stato fatto per SSL non SDJ ed è stato sviluppato molto prima Serato Video era intorno quindi non tanto di una possibilità di Serato Video essere inclusi nel affrontare. </font><font>Grande mixer se ho avuto prima ho aggiornato al 64 Basta stare attenti con i tasti cue. </font><font>Buona fortuna con esso e godere.
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thanks, it was my dream 62 for the cue buttons are a very sensitive person, so I hope I do not have any problems. for serato video, it is not important to me, but it can always be used in special events. maybe you could buy at a discount period.
deejdave 4:53 PM - 29 August, 2014
If I were you and it is NOT a necessity this VERY moment.................. I would absolutely wait as Serato has sales often and they haven't had one in a while which may include Serato Video.
DJ FUINHA 5:30 PM - 29 August, 2014
Thanks
DjCanDo!! 2:41 AM - 30 August, 2014
Ok normally this time a month I'm awaiting the release of Madden but this year more than anything I'm so awaiting this DVS expansion pack update with Serato 1.7 can someone please put me at ease and give me a release date I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I wish I hadn't gotten the heads up because I'm really impatient and been counting the days looking at my equipment refusing to turn it on till this update arrives. So please anyone if you know the date of the release already please post it.
DJ Compiler 3:46 AM - 30 August, 2014
The only official word it's sometime in September. I've seen a moderator say early September. In my personal opinion from experience I'd say you can expect it either Monday or Tuesday (not sure if it's a holiday weekend in New Zealand) Serato normally hits their promised deadlines fairly early
DjCanDo!! 5:44 AM - 2 September, 2014
Ok finally thanks and you were right I just received and purchased dvs it's all that and some!!! Game Over to the competition thanks to Serato
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 10:46 AM - 3 September, 2014
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If you are trying to get direct answers wouldn't you want direct e-mail addresses? Don't fear them. I get literally NOTHING from the Pioneer support forum but whenever I e-mail them directly I get a little more. It doesn't hurt that I ended up a big fish's number but still prefer the direct route. Let us know here if you have any luck.


Finally had a reply from Vestax
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Hi Andy,
I do know that we have the firmware update for the VCI380 in the final stages of testing. I can’t give you an exact release date I’m afraid as it’s down to the schedules of the Vestax and Serato engineers over in Japan.
Regards,
Christian
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Christian Davies // Vestax UKVestax Europe Ltd., Apex Buildings, 12 Bridge Street, Bootle, Liverpool. L20 8ALwww.vestax.co.uk
Dokumentary 11:15 AM - 3 September, 2014
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If you are trying to get direct answers wouldn't you want direct e-mail addresses? Don't fear them. I get literally NOTHING from the Pioneer support forum but whenever I e-mail them directly I get a little more. It doesn't hurt that I ended up a big fish's number but still prefer the direct route. Let us know here if you have any luck.


Finally had a reply from Vestax
vvvvvvvv

Hi Andy,
I do know that we have the firmware update for the VCI380 in the final stages of testing. I can’t give you an exact release date I’m afraid as it’s down to the schedules of the Vestax and Serato engineers over in Japan.

Regards,
Christian
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Christian Davies // Vestax UKVestax Europe Ltd.,&nbsp;Apex Buildings,&nbsp;12 Bridge Street,&nbsp;Bootle,&nbsp;Liverpool.&nbsp;L20 8ALwww.vestax.co.uk

Sweet!
Dj L-Biz 12:18 PM - 3 September, 2014
Brilliant, i emailed the Japanese email address on the website i as thought the uk branch probably aren't doing the testing...

very pleased to hear this :)
djkurve 1:43 AM - 9 September, 2014
Sand (Forum Member)
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Will the NS7 2 be capable of DVS expansion?


Karl Y (Serato)
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No, unfortunately not, for the same reason as Pioneer DDJ SX and Numark NS 6


Chris D (Numark DJ Employee/Numark DJ Forums)
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Hello everyone,

DVS for the NS7II will most likely be implemented in a future Serato DJ release which will be announced by Serato. You can always check which DJ hardware currently supports DVS by logging onto serato.com.


tsk, tsk Serato.....
Logan D 4:54 AM - 9 September, 2014
I think Karl was referring to the NS7II not being available at this moment, which is correct. It is also correct that there could possibly be an update to the NS7II in the future which will allows support for the DVS Expansion Pack.
djkurve 2:57 PM - 9 September, 2014
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The Numark NS6 is not capable to support DVS hardware wise.
This is a hardware limitation and there is nothing we can do about it. Sorry.

(This is the same as with the Pioneer DDJ-SX)

Even though it has the connectors at the back, it doesn't send the signals up the USB stream.
They are only sent to the built in analogue hardware mixers channels.
Serato DJ can only see the master signal (used for recording, including external sources) but not the individual channels.



Ummm I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it that way. Here's his post before that.

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The Numark NS6 is not capable to support DVS hardware wise.
This is a hardware limitation and there is nothing we can do about it. Sorry.

(This is the same as with the Pioneer DDJ-SX)

Even though it has the connectors at the back, it doesn't send the signals up the USB stream.
They are only sent to the built in analogue hardware mixers channels.
Serato DJ can only see the master signal (used for recording, including external sources) but not the individual channels.


My question is this. If a newer piece of hardware can support the DVS Expansion Pack why would you not make that available to us? "Possibly?" *confused*
djkurve 3:03 PM - 9 September, 2014
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I think Karl was referring to the NS7II not being available at this moment, which is correct. It is also correct that there could possibly be an update to the NS7II in the future which will allows support for the DVS Expansion Pack.


"The NS7 II will most likely be implemented in a future Serato DJ release." To me that statement means that Numark NS7 II's hardware is good to go, but waiting on Serato.
Karl Y 3:20 PM - 9 September, 2014
Hi djkurve

the answer is quite simple

This depends on the hardware. If the physical connection is there, but not implemented in the firmware to be forwarded to the sound card, then yes, a firmware or driver update can fix that.

I simply didn't know that it's apparently possible to update the firmware or driver of the NS7 mk2, to make its RCA inputs visible to the sound card. This is something that Numark needs to answer.
If they can do it, sure we are happy to support DVS with the NS7 Mk2. As of now, it's not possible. We tried.

Sorry for the confusion.

Karl
djkurve 7:12 PM - 9 September, 2014
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Hi djkurve

the answer is quite simple

This depends on the hardware. If the physical connection is there, but not implemented in the firmware to be forwarded to the sound card, then yes, a firmware or driver update can fix that.

I simply didn't know that it's apparently possible to update the firmware or driver of the NS7 mk2, to make its RCA inputs visible to the sound card. This is something that Numark needs to answer.
If they can do it, sure we are happy to support DVS with the NS7 Mk2. As of now, it's not possible. We tried.

Sorry for the confusion.

Karl


Thanks for clearing the air on this!
deejdave 7:54 PM - 9 September, 2014
No offense meant to djkurve as I take any info as a heads up and welcomed news but Numark has made bold & unresearched claims in the past and this could be just another example of such. Furthermore hardware manufacturer's as a whole are quick to point the finger at the software developer. This typically happens when things are not so widely viewable (forums etc.) but I have seen it happen right on the hardware announcement pages & product sheets.

I don't think Serato would hesitate to support a controller of this caliber if it turned out to be possible though and it would be welcomed news at that.
djkurve 5:27 PM - 10 September, 2014
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No offense meant to djkurve as I take any info as a heads up and welcomed news but Numark has made bold & unresearched claims in the past and this could be just another example of such. Furthermore hardware manufacturer's as a whole are quick to point the finger at the software developer. This typically happens when things are not so widely viewable (forums etc.) but I have seen it happen right on the hardware announcement pages & product sheets.

I don't think Serato would hesitate to support a controller of this caliber if it turned out to be possible though and it would be welcomed news at that.



No offense taken. Just wish Numark would quit giving me the run-a-around....Also Karl is there anyway you or someone from the Serato team could reach out to them and inquire about their sound card being able to work with the DVS expansion pack? Pending a firmware/driver update of course. Seeing how they are one of the major companies you work directly with. Thanks!
Dokumentary 9:20 PM - 10 September, 2014
Any news about the Vestax VCI-380?
djkurve 2:59 PM - 11 September, 2014
WOOHOO! DVS will soon be available to NS7 II users.! Just got off the phone with their tech support. I got a 100% conformation that the sound card within the NS7 II can be updated (via firmware) to allow Serato DJ to make the RCA inputs visible to the sound card! If you ask me that's a win, win for Serato Sales and Numark Sales!
Djtrampa 4:28 AM - 17 September, 2014
Some of this controller can be used on virtual dj and serato time code why can Serato don't maker the cross over to timecode usage. Even if is $99 I'll get it.. I already have a vci380 and a ddj sz. Is just that the sz is sow big to used with cdj.
I look forward to see the cross over.
Djkom 4:37 PM - 17 September, 2014
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WOOHOO! DVS will soon be available to NS7 II users.! Just got off the phone with their tech support. I got a 100% conformation that the sound card within the NS7 II can be updated (via firmware) to allow Serato DJ to make the RCA inputs visible to the sound card! If you ask me that's a win, win for Serato Sales and Numark Sales!



hummmm...Are you sure ? I have serious doubts about djs having the heavy NS7II who really want and need extra turntables (or maybe cdjs)
djkurve 4:47 PM - 17 September, 2014
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WOOHOO! DVS will soon be available to NS7 II users.! Just got off the phone with their tech support. I got a 100% conformation that the sound card within the NS7 II can be updated (via firmware) to allow Serato DJ to make the RCA inputs visible to the sound card! If you ask me that's a win, win for Serato Sales and Numark Sales!



hummmm...Are you sure ? I have serious doubts about djs having the heavy NS7II who really want and need extra turntables (or maybe cdjs)



Yes I'm sure. Actually reached out to Numark tech support and they confirmed it. And what does the weight of the NS7 II have to do with it having DVS support? lol!
Djkom 5:05 PM - 17 September, 2014
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WOOHOO! DVS will soon be available to NS7 II users.! Just got off the phone with their tech support. I got a 100% conformation that the sound card within the NS7 II can be updated (via firmware) to allow Serato DJ to make the RCA inputs visible to the sound card! If you ask me that's a win, win for Serato Sales and Numark Sales!



hummmm...Are you sure ? I have serious doubts about djs having the heavy NS7II who really want and need extra turntables (or maybe cdjs)



Yes I'm sure. Actually reached out to Numark tech support and they confirmed it. And what does the weight of the NS7 II have to do with it having DVS support? lol!



I mean, OK technically the NS7II can support DVS feature...but, at least for those djs I know, no one will add extra players to their setup, because:
1. NS7II has motorized platter and DVS is mainly the "turntablists" (not only advanced/pro ones)
2. NS7II can control the 4 decks
3. NS7II is way too big the be comfortable when doing special tricks with the extra turntables

Then maybe some nerds will like this feature, but they are not that much....so definitely it will not be such a win sales as you claim...

That's only my opinion bro'
deejdave 8:29 PM - 17 September, 2014
I own the NS7II and adding two TT's to the setup seems ridiculous and unwanted. I have already done this with the SZ and it is fun to play around with but in no way ideal. First of all with how far the TT's are spaced out you end up using the platters of the controller more and this defeats the purpose. It makes a LITTLE more sense using my CDJ-2000NXS's than my TT's with my controllers ................. but again still not an ideal situation for actual paid performances.
nik39 10:51 PM - 17 September, 2014
Yeah, I can't see too many users asking for dvs support for the Ns7mk2.
Miscellaneous 10:34 AM - 22 September, 2014
I'm looking to buy a Vestax VCI 380 controller soon. Does anyone know if it will eventually be "DVS upgrade ready"? I read that it is possible but Serato are waiting on a firmware update from Vestax for the 380.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 1:45 PM - 22 September, 2014
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I'm looking to buy a Vestax VCI 380 controller soon. Does anyone know if it will eventually be "DVS upgrade ready"? I read that it is possible but Serato are waiting on a firmware update from Vestax for the 380.

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If you are trying to get direct answers wouldn't you want direct e-mail addresses? Don't fear them. I get literally NOTHING from the Pioneer support forum but whenever I e-mail them directly I get a little more. It doesn't hurt that I ended up a big fish's number but still prefer the direct route. Let us know here if you have any luck.


Finally had a reply from Vestax
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Hi Andy,
I do know that we have the firmware update for the VCI380 in the final stages of testing. I can’t give you an exact release date I’m afraid as it’s down to the schedules of the Vestax and Serato engineers over in Japan.
Regards,
Christian
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Christian Davies // Vestax UKVestax Europe Ltd.,&nbsp;Apex Buildings,&nbsp;12 Bridge Street,&nbsp;Bootle,&nbsp;Liverpool.&nbsp;L20 8ALwww.vestax.co.uk
DJ Sonny Abad 1:11 PM - 25 September, 2014
Email from Vestax regarding the Serato DVS for 380.

Vestax UK
To Me
CC Takao Suzuki Today at 8:45 PM
Hi Sonny,

We have the updated firmware for the VCI380 in the final stages of testing. I can’t give you a release date I’m afraid as this will depend on the results of the testing.

Regards,
Christian
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Christian Davies // Vestax UK
Vestax Europe Ltd., Apex Buildings, 12 Bridge Street, Bootle, Liverpool. L20 8AL
Phone: +441519225405
Fax: +441519331541

On 25 Sep 2014, at 11:33, Mike Boylan <vestaxservices@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
KRA24 8:42 PM - 27 September, 2014
Hello,

My Numark NS6 is only allowing me to use my controller 10 min at a time. It's asking me to purchase a numark ns6 license....

(New device detected... Your current license will let you use this controller for only 10minutes a a time)

Any help?
deejdave 8:46 PM - 27 September, 2014
Are you sure you are not speaking of Virtual DJ?
deejdave 8:46 PM - 27 September, 2014
Actually I take that back. This is not even remotely close to the area in which you should be posting this inquiry.
4mydawgz 12:26 AM - 1 October, 2014
Is it possible to hook up Turntables to a DDJ-SX2, and use Serato DJ?
deejdave 1:03 AM - 1 October, 2014
"We're excited to announce the DVS Expansion Pack for supported Serato DJ controllers.

Controllers able to take advantage of the DVS Expansion Pack are known as "DVS upgrade ready" devices, while hardware that supports DVS natively are called "DVS ready". Check out the first list of DVS upgrade ready controllers below:

- Pioneer DDJ-SX2
- Numark N4
- Denon MC6000mkII

DVS is the technology that turntables use to hook up to the software so...................... yes. The DVS expansion pack obviously must be purchased in addition to the SX2 though.
Logan D 12:48 AM - 8 October, 2014
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Is it possible to hook up Turntables to a DDJ-SX2, and use Serato DJ?

Yes you'll just need to purchase the DVS expansion pack inside the software. Let me know if you need help with that.
D.J.ChriZZ - Hui Buh 6:10 PM - 21 October, 2014
Hi serato team,

I've a quastion about this cool add-on for some other hardware:
I own a nice RME Hammerfall DSP RPM. It's perfect for some timecode software, 2 phono in and 2 line out.
fantastic quality and latenz. Ist it possible that your add-on will support this device?
best regards
D.J.ChriZZ
deejdave 12:15 AM - 22 October, 2014
I am not sure if you absolutely need to hear it from Serato but I can promise you thats a big no on that.............. unless they opened support to all devices.
D.J.ChriZZ - Hui Buh 6:57 AM - 22 October, 2014
yes, think the same. they want so sell the rane usb box :-) not support to many others. but the rme hammerfall is not the big consumer sound device :-) expensive but very good. it works with my mixvibes dvs since 2006 without ANY crash or problem. so I have to stay on my mixvibes / buy ctoss dj perhaps.
deejdave 10:57 PM - 22 October, 2014
I've been looking at Cross lately myself. I will ALWAYS use Serato as my primary for quite a few reasons BUT Cross certainly has some nice features.


Have you tried Cross at all yet? How would you compare it to SDJ if so?
stanstrong73 12:59 AM - 23 October, 2014
I was wondering with the current shut down of Vestax ... will we still see the VCI 380 go DVS? I wanna buy one
Heng 5:34 PM - 20 January, 2015
how come the NS6 won't support it?? isn't it similar like the Numark N4? i mean the ns6 is a 4 channel, a stand alone mixer, have different variety of mapping, and etc..
DJ Compiler 6:07 PM - 20 January, 2015
NS6 cannot be supported because there is no wiring that will let the inputs of the controller to be sent to the computer. With that being said there is no way for Serato to listen to the control vinyl using the NS6
deejdave 7:09 PM - 20 January, 2015
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how come the NS6 won't support it?? isn't it similar like the Numark N4? i mean the ns6 is a 4 channel, a stand alone mixer, have different variety of mapping, and etc..

By similar as in they both have platters and both have buttons sure. It's what's INSIDE that matters though.
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NS6 cannot be supported because there is no wiring that will let the inputs of the controller to be sent to the computer. With that being said there is no way for Serato to listen to the control vinyl using the NS6

Exactly ALL about wiring configuration on the inputs.
djkurve 1:22 AM - 23 January, 2015
Now here's my HUGE complaint. The NS7 III (main unit with the mixer,decks, etc) is the same dam thing as the NS7 II! (main unit) However this NS7 III is shipping with DVS support. FOR FREE! Yet the NS7 II users have to pay $99 for DVS support?! Makes no dam sense?! (Serato NoiseMap ready for use with extended DVS setups)
deejdave 2:53 AM - 23 January, 2015
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Now here's my HUGE complaint. The NS7 III (main unit with the mixer,decks, etc) is the same dam thing as the NS7 II! (main unit) However this NS7 III is shipping with DVS support. FOR FREE! Yet the NS7 II users have to pay $99 for DVS support?! Makes no dam sense?! (Serato NoiseMap ready for use with extended DVS setups)

You forgot to add that the NS7II WAS originally the same price LOL. Yeah justify that!!
djkurve 2:55 AM - 23 January, 2015
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Now here's my HUGE complaint. The NS7 III (main unit with the mixer,decks, etc) is the same dam thing as the NS7 II! (main unit) However this NS7 III is shipping with DVS support. FOR FREE! Yet the NS7 II users have to pay $99 for DVS support?! Makes no dam sense?! (Serato NoiseMap ready for use with extended DVS setups)

You forgot to add that the NS7II WAS originally the same price LOL. Yeah justify that!!


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marco suarez 5:18 PM - 7 March, 2015
Hola buena tarde, soy usuario de Serato y tengo una duda con el DVS, ustedes tienen esta expancion para determinados mixers y me parece muy bueno.
Pero quiero saber los que tenemos un mixer Djm 2000 pioneer. el cual es una maquina tan costosa y que realmente tiene todas las opciones posibles para trabajar como midi, nada que envidiarle a los medas mixer que hay en el mercado.
mi pregunta es por que no sacan la expancion DVS para este mixer djm 2000 pioneer, repito tiene demasiadas cosas buenas para regresarme a un nexus o un 900. deberíamos tener la opción DVS. para descargar e instalarla en nuestro mixer djm 2000 pioneer.
Gracias por su atención.
Djtrampa 2:52 PM - 15 March, 2015
DVS support is only for NEW GEAR if they were going to make the cross over to Older controller By now they should already Had more controller supporting the AD ON DVS Sow buy new equipment already DVS support $$$$ No cross over with older Gear.. Its going to be a year that DVS Serato came out.. this is what it looks like to me.


(Aparente mente Solo Equipo nuevo le están sacando con DVS si estuvieran asiendo
el cambio ya ubieran salido. Mi opinion)
deejdave 6:33 PM - 15 March, 2015
Not true at all........................ THIS POST alone mentionsthe three devices that got the DVS expansion and day one it was.
Pioneer DDJ-SX2
Numark N4
Denon MC6000mkII
You may notice that two out of the three are NOT new devices.
DJ Alibi 10:29 PM - 16 March, 2015
thinking about getting the set below just to mess around at home with:

www.zzounds.com

i have serato dj (paid, but without DVS Expansion pack , yet)

im sure the mixer that comes with above set will not be DVS capable, but i assume i can sell it , or get something that is,

what would you guys prefer to add to this set to make it DVS complete?

any info i helpful...
deejdave 10:56 PM - 16 March, 2015
That set is $800. You could find two used 1200's for $800 and then be in the same position in terms of needing a DVS interface yet you would then have good TT's instead so you would actually be in a better position. You're not going to get much for the mixer anyways.

The AMX sounds like it would be the only SDJ mixer in your price range. After that is the 61. Maybe this means looking for a generic analog mixer and going with the SL2 which comes with the DVS etc.


Quite a few ways this could go. If you are just planning to do this for a year or two as a hobby then sure the set you linked above is fine. If you plan to be doing this for a while save yourself the trouble and just get it right the first time.
DJ Alibi 11:44 PM - 16 March, 2015
right on, i actually have a friend selling some used 1200's for around same price, i may go that route, its basically for a girlfriend that's learning to mix.. she wants to learn on the "real deal" so it kind of opened up an old can of worms for me lol, thanks for the info!
deejdave 11:47 PM - 16 March, 2015
Yeah man!! Wanting the real deal in mind trust when I say 1200's all the way.
Eduardo Serrano 9:28 PM - 31 March, 2015
What is this DVS for?
WarpNote 9:01 AM - 1 April, 2015
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What is this DVS for?
To leave your SL4 at home, just plug the usb cable directly into a
DJM900NXS/DJM850/DB4/DB2 mixer in the club.

Or to use turntables with a controller that have the option for DVS,
like Akai AMX or Pioneer DDJ-SX2.
Eduardo Serrano 3:28 PM - 1 April, 2015
Not worth it. I paid 800 for the SL4 and I am not going to dump it and pay more for the license. does not bother me at all to carry my SL4 and hook it up.

Thanks but not thanks!
Samuel S 8:18 PM - 1 April, 2015
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Not worth it. I paid 800 for the SL4 and I am not going to dump it and pay more for the license. does not bother me at all to carry my SL4 and hook it up.

Thanks but not thanks!


You're good to go then already!

:)
WarpNote 3:31 PM - 2 April, 2015
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Not worth it. I paid 800 for the SL4 and I am not going to dump it and pay more for the license. does not bother me at all to carry my SL4 and hook it up.

Thanks but not thanks!

As Sam said youre good to go. Still good for the DJ's who play clubs that have the 900/850/DB4/DB2 installed though.
gianby 1:16 PM - 12 April, 2015
everytime serato want money. I've bought an sl3 and a pioneer ddj sb and i've to pay more license everityme. Ridicoulus.
Serato is going to be very expensive.
Hope to sell my hardware and looking for some other software
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 1:38 PM - 12 April, 2015
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everytime serato want money. I've bought an sl3 and a pioneer ddj sb and i've to pay more license everityme. Ridicoulus.
Serato is going to be very expensive.
Hope to sell my hardware and looking for some other software


You don't have to buy the DVS expansion pack to continue using your SL3 and DDJ SB as you currently do.
The expansion pack is for previously non compatible DVS devices.
Good luck with your alternative software, your going to need it.
deejdave 4:45 PM - 12 April, 2015
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You don't have to buy the DVS expansion pack to continue using your SL3 and DDJ SB as you currently do.
The expansion pack is for previously non compatible DVS devices.
Good luck with your alternative software, your going to need it.

Not entirely true. He will need to purchase the SDJ upgrade expansion if he plans to use the SB with SDJ. If he wants to use the SB with SDJ intro then no purchase is needed.

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The expansion pack is for previously non compatible DVS devices.

You are speaking of the Serato DJ Club kit NOT the SDJ Upgrade expansion. The DDJ-SB is not even a DVS capable device so clearly he would not be speaking of the club kit.


That being said Serato is in no way at fault for expecting you to pay for the license. If I am not mistaken gianby purchased his SL3 for SSL NOT SDJ so why shouldn't Serato expect some compensation every half a decade or so. The amount for the SDJ expansion is about how much we make in ONE HOUR of DJing so let's get a little realistic with our expectations here. Serato 100% satisfied their obligation in terms of support with the SL3 and SSL so any and everything else is just a bonus and something they in NO WAY owe you.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:26 PM - 12 April, 2015
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You don't have to buy the DVS expansion pack to continue using your SL3 and DDJ SB as you currently do.
The expansion pack is for previously non compatible DVS devices.
Good luck with your alternative software, your going to need it.

Not entirely true. He will need to purchase the SDJ upgrade expansion if he plans to use the SB with SDJ. If he wants to use the SB with SDJ intro then no purchase is needed.

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The expansion pack is for previously non compatible DVS devices.

You are speaking of the Serato DJ Club kit NOT the SDJ Upgrade expansion. The DDJ-SB is not even a DVS capable device so clearly he would not be speaking of the club kit.


That being said Serato is in no way at fault for expecting you to pay for the license. If I am not mistaken gianby purchased his SL3 for SSL NOT SDJ so why shouldn't Serato expect some compensation every half a decade or so. The amount for the SDJ expansion is about how much we make in ONE HOUR of DJing so let's get a little realistic with our expectations here. Serato 100% satisfied their obligation in terms of support with the SL3 and SSL so any and everything else is just a bonus and something they in NO WAY owe you.


This thread is about DVS expansion pack and I stand by everything I said.
To continue using his equipment as he has been he does not need to do anything.
WarpNote 9:11 AM - 13 April, 2015
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Yep, he sure gonna need some luck. ;-)
Dj Owe 12:50 PM - 20 April, 2015
just curious when the ddjsx will be getting this available?
deejdave 2:07 PM - 20 April, 2015
It will not be and is one of the reasons the DDJ-SX2 was released.
Massimo T 1:06 PM - 22 April, 2015
LETS go serato put support for the denon dnx600 and 1600 they have dvs function bulit in why is this not out yet
WarpNote 12:24 PM - 26 April, 2015
The reason it is not out yet, is that they probably saw djm900/djm850/db4/db2 more likely to be installed in clubs. If more people request it, Im sure they would want to suport dn600/dn1600/dn1700. However, I dont think that would happen before the denon DS1 is released, and been in the market olace for some time.
The dn1600/1700 are nice mixers.
WarpNote 12:25 PM - 26 April, 2015
Market place...