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VCI-300 First Gig With Pics (Impressions & Recommendations)
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VCI-300 First Gig With Pics (Impressions & Recommendations)

DJ Xio
6:09 AM - 23 August, 2008
So I finally did my first gig with the Vestax VCI-300, just one day after receiving it.
It tested stable enough to try live so I went for it.
I can say the unit does what it says it does perfectly,
scratching, looping, mixing; is all exact.
Serato ITCH is rock solid & stable.
I felt like a real DJ, scratching after 1 year of no scratching with my old denon 2500s....
It feels good to see people watch you as an artist... I had a lot of people come up to me asking what it was, they all seemed really impressed and did not see it as a toy, but more of wow, technology has gone a long way, kind of thing...
Now to the nitty gritty....
SOUND CARD.... NO NO NO,
Sound card is lacking fidelity and power.
The volume on the headphones is low and feels a little distorted when you crank it to its highest, which is really all not that high.
I also had a few songs that sounded distorted at whatever volume...
Now don't get me wrong, the distortion was not major, but it was there... I have a very picky ear and it bothered me a bit.
I guess guests won't notice, but to a trained ear, it's there.
I did not use an external mixer, I connected the VCI-300 from rcas to xlrs in my mackies.. So I really had no way of telling what was distorting, the track or the master volume due to the lack of visual representation...
I still have to connect the unit to an external mixer to see how bad it is in comparison to the denon 2500s or hc4500s, but there is no way of cueing songs in an external mixer, due to the lack of independent outputs.
All in all, this is the only big drawback of the unit, aside of that it works good.
Maybe a firmware update can fix this problem.
Or something I'm not doing right...
Who knows...
Even with the sound issues, I plan on keeping it and permanently replacing everything else.
I love the ability of feeling like a real dj again, while using MP3s and not carrying 50+ lbs in gear and cases.
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It tested stable enough to try live so I went for it.
I can say the unit does what it says it does perfectly,
scratching, looping, mixing; is all exact.
Serato ITCH is rock solid & stable.
I felt like a real DJ, scratching after 1 year of no scratching with my old denon 2500s....
It feels good to see people watch you as an artist... I had a lot of people come up to me asking what it was, they all seemed really impressed and did not see it as a toy, but more of wow, technology has gone a long way, kind of thing...
Now to the nitty gritty....
SOUND CARD.... NO NO NO,
Sound card is lacking fidelity and power.
The volume on the headphones is low and feels a little distorted when you crank it to its highest, which is really all not that high.
I also had a few songs that sounded distorted at whatever volume...
Now don't get me wrong, the distortion was not major, but it was there... I have a very picky ear and it bothered me a bit.
I guess guests won't notice, but to a trained ear, it's there.
I did not use an external mixer, I connected the VCI-300 from rcas to xlrs in my mackies.. So I really had no way of telling what was distorting, the track or the master volume due to the lack of visual representation...
I still have to connect the unit to an external mixer to see how bad it is in comparison to the denon 2500s or hc4500s, but there is no way of cueing songs in an external mixer, due to the lack of independent outputs.
All in all, this is the only big drawback of the unit, aside of that it works good.
Maybe a firmware update can fix this problem.
Or something I'm not doing right...
Who knows...
Even with the sound issues, I plan on keeping it and permanently replacing everything else.
I love the ability of feeling like a real dj again, while using MP3s and not carrying 50+ lbs in gear and cases.
i46.photobucket.com
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Pene
7:03 AM - 23 August, 2008
Hi DJ Xio,
if you like upload one of the songs that distorts all the time here: www.serato.com
and we will have a look to see if we can figure out the problem :)
if you like upload one of the songs that distorts all the time here: www.serato.com
and we will have a look to see if we can figure out the problem :)

DJ Xio
3:40 PM - 23 August, 2008
Thanks,
I'll try to test today and see what the problem is....
however the rather low volume on the headphones happens with every single song.
Which gives me the impression that is the sound card, that is not up to par with what I had before. :s
I'll try to test today and see what the problem is....
however the rather low volume on the headphones happens with every single song.
Which gives me the impression that is the sound card, that is not up to par with what I had before. :s

DeezNotes
12:30 AM - 24 August, 2008
The headphone output is rather low in my opinion as well. I usually keep the headphone level at max (and I actually CAN hear). I don't hear any distortion, so I may not have a trained/detailed ear as others, and I never really listened for distortion. I'll check it out later.
What kind of headphones are you using?
What kind of headphones are you using?

DJ Xio
3:41 AM - 24 August, 2008
I'm using Pioneer Headphones...
I just hooked up the vci-300 to a mixer along with the denon dnd2500s and played both songs simultaneously to see volume level differences, and I've come to the conclusion that the VCI-300 runs its max at 0 dbs.
Let me explain...
When you turn the master level to the highest and the gain 3/4 through I was able to match the volume in the vci-300 to the denon.
Important to notice that the vci-300 did not distort with the master level to the max nor with the gain 3/4 of a way through.
What leads me to conclude that it's max setting is 0 dbs from a normal player.
In other words, the sound card is not bad, nor does it distort.
It just doesn't have the volume increase capabilities of a mixer...
Same applies to the headphones, when the master level is to its highest and the gain 3/4s or more applied, the volume levels on the headphone are loud... However it's not as loud as a mixer, cause the mixer amplifies volume levels to the point where it can distort sound from its loudness... This doesn't mean the sound card is bad, it just means... It runs everything at 0 dbs, and it won't amplify anymore...
It's just a matter of understanding how the unit works to get the best sound out of it.
Yesterday I was running it with the gains halfway and that's why it was so low...
Increasing the gains 3/4 th or even a little bit more, doesn't really distort the sound.
My biggest suggestion to knowing the safe lefel.... Run it as high as you can, without letting the red level stay on... as long as it's blinking, you're safe.
FINAL VERDICT:
I take back my post about the sound card, it's a matter of understanding how it works... It does just fine, especially if you hook it up to a club mixer.
BTW, everyday I'm loving this unit more and more...
Final rating 9 out 10.
Give me some effects, independent outputs, and a little more sound amplification capabilities and you get your perfect 10. oh, and if you give me a few sampling capabilities you get 11.
:)
That's all for now, good luck to everyone...
Now on to finding the perfect case, and even better... something that would allow me to carry everything while remaining hooked up so installation is every faster... almost like a mini rack...
We can always dream right? ;)
I just hooked up the vci-300 to a mixer along with the denon dnd2500s and played both songs simultaneously to see volume level differences, and I've come to the conclusion that the VCI-300 runs its max at 0 dbs.
Let me explain...
When you turn the master level to the highest and the gain 3/4 through I was able to match the volume in the vci-300 to the denon.
Important to notice that the vci-300 did not distort with the master level to the max nor with the gain 3/4 of a way through.
What leads me to conclude that it's max setting is 0 dbs from a normal player.
In other words, the sound card is not bad, nor does it distort.
It just doesn't have the volume increase capabilities of a mixer...
Same applies to the headphones, when the master level is to its highest and the gain 3/4s or more applied, the volume levels on the headphone are loud... However it's not as loud as a mixer, cause the mixer amplifies volume levels to the point where it can distort sound from its loudness... This doesn't mean the sound card is bad, it just means... It runs everything at 0 dbs, and it won't amplify anymore...
It's just a matter of understanding how the unit works to get the best sound out of it.
Yesterday I was running it with the gains halfway and that's why it was so low...
Increasing the gains 3/4 th or even a little bit more, doesn't really distort the sound.
My biggest suggestion to knowing the safe lefel.... Run it as high as you can, without letting the red level stay on... as long as it's blinking, you're safe.
FINAL VERDICT:
I take back my post about the sound card, it's a matter of understanding how it works... It does just fine, especially if you hook it up to a club mixer.
BTW, everyday I'm loving this unit more and more...
Final rating 9 out 10.
Give me some effects, independent outputs, and a little more sound amplification capabilities and you get your perfect 10. oh, and if you give me a few sampling capabilities you get 11.
:)
That's all for now, good luck to everyone...
Now on to finding the perfect case, and even better... something that would allow me to carry everything while remaining hooked up so installation is every faster... almost like a mini rack...
We can always dream right? ;)

bartaug
5:20 AM - 24 August, 2008
Quote:
Give me some effects, independent outputs, and a little more sound amplification capabilities and you get your perfect 10. oh, and if you give me a few sampling capabilities you get 11.
dubside
2:04 PM - 24 August, 2008
you could use a headphone amplifier like the Behringer Microamp HA400 to increase you overall headphone volume. its pretty cheap too. using a small small mixer to send your main out from the vci-300 may be a good option to give you good headroom on your volume such as a Mackie 402-VLZ3.
i plan on using this as my dedicated setup once the vci-300 goes on sale.
VCI-300 main out goes to 402-VLZ3 and headphone out from the VCI-300 goes to the Behringer microamp.
i do have one question though, is there an option to disable the crossfader on the vci-300?
i plan on using this as my dedicated setup once the vci-300 goes on sale.
VCI-300 main out goes to 402-VLZ3 and headphone out from the VCI-300 goes to the Behringer microamp.
i do have one question though, is there an option to disable the crossfader on the vci-300?

DeezNotes
2:09 PM - 24 August, 2008
Not currently. Things like this can be added in, but I don't see why (I mean, I suppose I know why.... I'm just sayin).
Quote:
i do have one question though, is there an option to disable the crossfader on the vci-300?Not currently. Things like this can be added in, but I don't see why (I mean, I suppose I know why.... I'm just sayin).

nik39
2:44 PM - 24 August, 2008
Say what?
Quote:
I don't see why (I mean, I suppose I know why.... I'm just sayin).Say what?

dubside
3:26 AM - 25 August, 2008
some of us don't use the crossfader much unless its for scratching so it could be bothersome that i'll have to keep the crossfader in the middle to get sound from both channels on the main out.

DeezNotes
4:19 AM - 25 August, 2008
Exactly. I have a friend (female DJ) who likes to only use the upfaders to blend. She has 2 matchbooks she puts on the sides of both of crossfader to keep it in the middle. So... I can understand why someone would want to disable the crossfader, but I've only seen that on larger mixers (like that old ass expensive rane mixer that's in every club in DC).
But since I use the crossfader, I'm a bit biased. ;-)
But since I use the crossfader, I'm a bit biased. ;-)

dubside
4:35 AM - 25 August, 2008
some smaller mixers do have that option as well. my rane empath has that as well as the pioneer djm-400 and numark dxm09. i wish they would add this feature. it would be easy for them since its software driven so i guess they could just ad an enable/disable option on the program without tinkering with the hardware.

jon e blaze
12:30 AM - 11 September, 2008
are you saying that if you hook this up with an external mixer you wont be able to cue songs via the external mixer or the 300?

Antony Ellis
6:36 PM - 11 September, 2008
think he means via the mixer....
ive took hold of my VCI 300 today, im pretty impressed so far, good looping, tight mixes, but........
i also agree about the soundcard, there just doesnt seem to be a great deal of power out of it.....so i hooked it up to my allen & heath and...hey presto, problem solved, although like Xio im not entirely sure if there is a problem or not, doesnt seem like you can tweek any of the settings for volumes or anything in the software.
see what happens i suppose
ive took hold of my VCI 300 today, im pretty impressed so far, good looping, tight mixes, but........
i also agree about the soundcard, there just doesnt seem to be a great deal of power out of it.....so i hooked it up to my allen & heath and...hey presto, problem solved, although like Xio im not entirely sure if there is a problem or not, doesnt seem like you can tweek any of the settings for volumes or anything in the software.
see what happens i suppose

kue
9:03 PM - 11 September, 2008
I'm pretty excited for this! Just placed my order on pssl.com! :) I've been using serato for a long time and it'll be awesome to have something portable to travel with, practice and mess around with!

Boogie Down Martin
11:50 PM - 16 September, 2008
Maybe the sound would have been better if you had connected the speakers to the (balanced) TRS outputs of the VCI-300 instead of the (unbalanced) RCAs.
Also, if you are concerned about sound quality it would probably be a good idea to set up the speakers further apart then on the picture, like for example in the corners of the room.
Quote:
I did not use an external mixer, I connected the VCI-300 from rcas to xlrs in my mackies.. So I really had no way of telling what was distorting, the track or the master volume due to the lack of visual representation...Maybe the sound would have been better if you had connected the speakers to the (balanced) TRS outputs of the VCI-300 instead of the (unbalanced) RCAs.
Also, if you are concerned about sound quality it would probably be a good idea to set up the speakers further apart then on the picture, like for example in the corners of the room.

Clozee
9:08 PM - 17 September, 2008
Is it possible when you connect a option 9v 500mah adapter to the vci-300, the problem of the soundcard will be resolved?
Can annyone confirm this?
Can annyone confirm this?
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