I am having the same problem. It is very frustrating as I just moved from Traktor to Serato and never had this problem before. Really makes it hard to have confidence in my set when I am consistently nudging and sliding the beat grid. Manually adjusting all my songs and videos files is the only thing I have found to help.

Any insight would be great!

I don't find that a prob as I know how to beat mix.

i like this guys answer..lol well i have a pair of CDJ2000 and a DDJ SX and the Beat-grid analysis in SERATO DJ needs attension

I'd be worried if anyone was on this site and didn't know how to beat-mix!!

The fact is that the DDJ-SX comes with a multitude of features that depend on accurate beat-grids, and whilst the need for the occasional tweak or adjustment is to be expected, I really don't want to reset the grid for every track.

Incidentally, since I've been waiting for Serato to respond I've installed Traktor Pro and a DDJ-SX map. Will report back once I've given it a go...

the Viper mapping with TRAKTOR is nice for tight mixing but it lacks in the feeling and authenticity that the SERATO has..... SERATO DJ has the potential to be all that and more just need the updates to fix theys issues

i wish Viper kept @ it

Thanks Sh3pard, that's good to know. Let's hope Serato fix this soon.

Guys there's no problem with beat grids if done correctly...i used to have the same problem,then realized i had the wrong range set for my library...so i set it to 68-135 (Hip hop & most top 40) and beat grids have been 80% accurate...some bpms will be halved or doubled though outside the selected range...double click bpm & fix the bpm for these songs.double or halve it using alt+ up or down arrow...set proper range for this track and drag and drop it on analyze button with beatgrid enabled for proper grids...

Hope this helps you guys :-)

ill give it a try but i when i mix i keep 2 tracks together for about 1m30s to 2min the tracks start drifting even when spot on (as in we forget about the BBM display and use the ear)

i come from CDj'S AND TRAKTOR so this is not feeling rite

I was a traktor guy too but u just have to do a little pitch bending...traktor locks it up pretty well though...but I find serato more fluid and I love the library management + Video

Let me know if the info helps

I hear you loud and clear on this one and I fully agree.. but when I'm trying to do a radio show or podcast this small issue has got me at the point that I've just listed my still new DDJ SX ON EBAY


:'(

im sure they are working on beat locking issue too...they are aware of it and the keylock not being it's best right now.we should see improvements in the next update ;-)

but Serato i'm finding it easier to DJ with serato for the response + Library management...it's easier to find tracks :-)

Tonight I'm going to think about this .. I hope its just a waiting game.

yeah man don't sell...i know what u mean with the slight drift...just pitch bend it ...

it usually just requires a slight bend + or - i wouldn't sell for this issue cause the next update may fix it...then you'll regret while the guy you sold to will be all smiles lol...i do this all the time even though i was used to traktor beat locking tracks tightly.so in a way traktor makes u lazy...pitch bending is a DJs job lol

LOL u do have a very valid point ..

lets see what the next few hours bring

Hey SiB & others,



This is good feedback on the beatgrids. They are not always correct because of the start point or the fluctuation of the bpm. Adjustment can sometimes be an important part of managing your library. The grids should be saved to your files ID3 tags once adjustments have been made so you don't have to do them again. I know this isn't always the best for people with large libraries however beat grids are based on the mathematics or division of the bpm of the track there for if the track is not quantized when produced or the down marker is not picked up correctly this can lead to the Beatgrids being slightly out after analyzing.

We will continue to look for ways of improving this and hope to get it optimal in the future however so of these variables will mean that some Beat Grids will always need adjustment.

Warm Regards
Dave W

Dave thanks for the reply! Coming from the world of Traktor and briefly in the Cross DJ Mixvibes world I feel the beat grids for Serato could be better. The other systems don't seem to calculate tempo then divide but rather look for beats through out the song. With the other systems I rarely had to adjust a beat grid but with Serato it is more often than not I have to adjust the beat grid. Hope you all can improve this because I love Serato and my DDJ-SX with the video plugin its a great system just takes lots more work to make sure my sets are always perfect. Again thanks!

Thanks for all the replies; good to know I'm not alone. The frustrating thing is the consistency with which my beat grids are out - that makes it so easy to fix!! If, in the options, there was a simple override feature which enabled me to shift the grid by the same amount by default or every track analysis then problem would be 99% solved.

Thanks for that feedback guys. I'll pass on the info and suggestions to our product team for consideration.

Regards
Dave W

I've been having the same problem with the beat grid since i got the DDJ-SX. Judging from Dave W answer to our problem it seems that Serato is not trying to do anything about the beat grid issues. I guess we're S.O.L. Oh well, I've been looking at Traktor... My 30 days is not up at Guitar Center so I'm thinking about returning the DDJ-SX because without beat grid i won't be able to us the sp-6 which is one of the reason i bought the DDJ-SX.

DJ Intro beat grid worked better than Serato DJ. I'm disappointed in Serato.

A lot of people will prefer Traktor controllers like Native Instruments Traktor Kontrol S4 over controllers using Serato DJ like Numark NS6 because of issues like this.

I was really happy when Serato DJ came out but I am very disappointed because of the audio analysis. Traktor is doing a much better job here!

I hope Serato doesn't try to charge us a fee for a upgrade that may fix our problem.
I've seen it happen before where companies cut off the free upgrades only to charge for the upgrade that fixes all the major problems that everyone is having. When the unit should have been working correctly out of the door. BEWARE!!!! I feel greed coming on..

That will not be the case AXs. I wouldn't worry about that.
My answer is clear, we are in the business of development and will continue to develop beatgrids and hopefully they'll be better and better as we roll along in the future. They also do work if you set them up right, granted there is a bit more work with some tracks involved.

Regards
Dave W

Cool. Do Ya'll thing

I find the BPM detecting consistently inaccurate. It only works well with some genres.

Beat-grid analysis has come a long way and is far better in Serato DJ than it is in Itch. I think the point here is that it is a tool "just like any other tool/bell or whistle" to help you better master your craft, however, it still requires some human intervention we call mixing or keeping the tracks on beat. I have been a DJ for long time and can tell you I wouldn't want my software to be able to do everything for me.....because at that point you just become another tech DJ with no real DJ skills.....just my opinion on what I see happining these days.

Well, I've spent the last few days preparing some sets, and I got so frustrated with having to realign the beat grids on all my tracks that I just re-analysed all the tracks I wanted to play and had a go a letting Serato DJ just do it's thing and..... well, the beat grids do seem to work!

The problem here is that when one track is significantly out, in other words it's just not the start point thats wrong but the BPM across the whole track, I've been adjusting the beat grids manually.

The issue (and I mentioned this in an earlier post) is that the initial offset if wrong. When you try to align the track so that the vertical bar on the grid lines up with the actual beat it it's different to the default grid on all the other tracks. Serato generally positions the beat grid 2 minor clicks to the left of the actual beat.

I've now been leaving the default grids in place and mixing (albeit with the odd minor adjustment which is to be expected) and it works well. So my issue is, for example, where I accidentally delete the grid and I want to set it manually, if I line it up with the beat (the high point in the wave form) then it's out.

So, my solution, as I said before, would be to allow users to set a default offset for the first grid setting when doing the standard analysis.

Incidentally, I'm using a Mac... is anyone experiencing these issues using Windows?

Wow!

This discussion is old... since Serato 1.8 (Pioneer DDJ-S1) the Beatgrid is poor, as well MasterTempo (Key) algorythm and others issues that was very often discussed in forum until now nothing has been done to correct this.

Serato DJ is coming to DDJ-S1 controllers and I am absolutely certain that the old problems already discussed in the forum will not be fixed... Who owns the DDJ-S1 knows that Pitch LEDs do not light up anymore (and Incredibly, the DDJ-SX them also do not work) and yet no one did anything to fix/solve this.

Meanwhile, we are here waiting, waiting and waiting for solutions that never come...

Mac and Windows difference: Mac improve waveform smooth acceleration and Windows no! The problems/issues is the same.

To solve Beatgrid align problem: Use 'SimpleSync' instead 'SmartSync' and disable Beatgrid! Until Serato staff fix it, forget beatgrid, it's very poor!

Use the beat-matching bars to align songs!

Sorry, but SYNC button is to bedroom DJs!

:-)

Hey, I did my time with the old 1210's.... I LOVE my SYNC button!! :)

Please do not get me wrong, I did not offend anyone! It was just a joke! ;-)

Is that the only valid Beatgrid more for who uses Sync. I sometimes use the Sync button yes, I confess, but do not use Beatgrid because it is very inaccurate.

Can you use the sync without Beatgrid perfectly and I think it works very well. Makes a test!

Hey, taken as a joke, of course!! :) I have to confess I guess I would be classed as a bedroom DJ, but I'm really working hard at my mixes and hoping to be playing live by the end of the year. Just trying to reach that state of perfection first!!

For someone like me who's less experienced the beat grids are very useful, but I'll try what you said and report back.

Cool!

Enable 'SimpleSync' instead 'SmartSync' and test it using Sync button.
I like to use waveform in vertical-center mode. It's more easy to sync!

Good luck!

;-)

I'll give the SimpleSync a go. Already using the vertical-center mode.... you're right, it's way better.

:-)

Yes Beatgrid is off. I just make the adjustment by ear and go with the flow.
Also being a Traktor user- Traktor has improved greatly on analyzing beat grids. Virtual DJ also does a good job.

Serato! PLEASE keep up development! Always room for improvement on this!

Hey Guys,

We'll keep you updated on further developments on the Beat Grids. Thanks for the feedback guys, i'll close this thread for now, feel free to reopen if you have any further issues.

Regards
Dave W

Dave W - Don't close my thread until this is fixed. Many people have spent a lot of money on hardware, they need answers. I have sent you a PM.

Hey SiB,

Happy to keep the thread open as long as you like. Unfortunately I can't give you any updates on Beat Grids at this stage. However if anything changes i'll keep you updated.

Regards
Dave W

Ok, much appreciated. Like I said in my PM, if you want to connect remotely to my Mac to see the issues then I'm happy to assist.

I have read your thread a number of times and you have explained your concerns. They have been noted and hopefully the Product team will take them into consideration in future development work.

Can we start a section on the forum for Beatgrid concerns, gripes and those ever present "are you really a DJ if you use beatgrids comments"? I would like to use the "Slice" mode on the DDJ-SX and you need to use Beatgrids to activate it.