all the numbers look good. abs material, lightweight, high output, great dispersion, decent back panel.

wonder how does it sound against the other players

Sweet - wonder what the pricing on these are. Hopefully these sound way nicer than the standard lineup which sound good a few years back, but were easily surpassed by companies like qsc, jbl, and ev.

Although the whole wattage/marketing on modern speakers seems to be getting a little out of hand...

PS10P – 800 Watt Program (1600 Watt Peak) 10-inch Cabinet – MSRP US $1399.00

PS12P – 1400 Watt Program (4400 Watt Peak) 12-inch Cabinet – MSRP US $1549.00

PS15P – 1400 Watt Program (4400 Watt Peak) 15-inch Cabinet – MSRP US $1799.00

Those PS12P and PS15P Peak figures do not jive right... they should be 2800 Watt Peak (double Program the wattage)

double program wattage.

Yea thats called marketing bullshit.....lol

so judging by the numbers what do you guys really think the output of these will be?

They look semi-affordable. Unlike the Paraline series. I hope they get covered at NAMM starting tomorrow.

I have two NX750P. They are heavy and not very portable. But they crank all night and I usually leave the subwoofers at home.

What you guys think of the new EV ZLX powered tops?

And someone said dnt get the Dbx driverack but something else. What was it and why not get the driverack?

I think they're targeted to the budget-priced powered speaker market. They may be the best of the low end market based on the way EV makes quality gear and sound.

Ok cause I have young guy who wants to dj and I've been trying to find him gear in his budget range

An amplifier may certainly be designed to achieve higher peak power levels than double the program power. Especially when we're talking about a bridged amplifier (powering the woofers). Manufacturers typically DON'T do that because it's more expensive. In fact, a lot of it has to do with the power supply as well. 1400 watts would be program material for the speaker/amp/power supply combination, and 4400 watts would be your standalone bridged amplifiers peak power. Multi-band Limiting, No Fan, Switch-mode Power supply and Class D amplifiers all contribute to higher Peak Power. Both Program Power and Peak Power should be vital pieces of information for a customer. Most likely we'll never drive up to 150m/Hour, but it's good to know it's there ;).

I'll lean more towards the marketing department trying to pull a fast one on the public by posting unrealistic numbers. The drivers in that speaker probably handle no where NEAR that kind of power, yet they post it to lure the uninformed in. A company the caliber of Yorkville shouldn't need to inflate / pad their numbers like that. That's more of a flea-market tactic. I won't get into a debate on that 4400W number but even if it's some sort of instantaneous peak value, I would bet it's in no way a real-world attribute on the output SPL capability of that box's sound.

The ZLX sounded decent when I heard them at NAMM. It was in a controlled environment though.

Another option would be the new Behringer iQ line. They teamed up with Turbosound for these. Price point was a little higher than the EVs but they did have more features and looked a bit better.

What other pa speakers were on display at namm?

In my opinion Behringer or its new iQ line has earned the right to be considered. It will take at least another 3yrs before we can make true judgement calls.

^^^^^correction "has NOT earned"

Ordinarily I would say the same thing but since Behringer now owns some of the best audio brands in the industry, Midas, Turbosound, and Klark Teknik, I can see them releasing some better quality products based on those companies technologies.

The have already released the Midas designed X32 mixing console which is getting really solid reviews.

JBL, RCF, FBT, QSC, DAS, NEXO, Yamahs, and DB Audio to name a few. If you were a sound reinforcement geek it was audio heaven.

Oh ok, did u hear the yorkville parasource series?

No. They had them displayed but not connected as far as I could tell.

I believe they will do well...I might trade my EV XZa5 for these when they are finally realeased.

see this video from NAMM

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www.djbooth.net



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Too early to tell but the ZXa5's are still in a different league. The verdict isn't even out of the Parasource line yet so I'm not sure why you would consider downgrading. My concern with the Parasource is why they only have a 1.5" compression driver for the highs. Even the QSC K and KW series has at least a 1.75" compression driver. The ZXa5s have a 2" compression driver for the highs.

You know them folks that buy stuff because its new or just go by the numbers.. That Jane not even hear them....

They don't ****

GaFFie, I understand what you are saying...I'm a yorkville guy...The only speakers I've bought and used in my 25yrs of djin are Yorkville..I love the Elite series and the Nx series.
I bought a pair of ZXa5 about 2 yrs ago and I've had too many issues with them...EV even replaced one of them...I've almost bought the speakers over from paying for uncovered repars.. They cost me $2700.00
Personally, the ZX work great when the woofer or the high is not blown....No other speakers compares to it.. I also own EV ELX15P that I'm NOT totally happy with...1 of the pair cuts off at loud volume..I took it in for diagnosis to 2 different shops...they both said the speaker is fine.
I hardly had issues with my Yorkvilles...that's why I'm considering the switch...but we will have to see if the PS-15P live up to the specs....
Its kinda weird that Yorkville is not showing them off at NAMM.but no sound...
.if you have them at the show...why not let people hear the quality of the speakers, if they are the loudest and best speakser they've made as claimed by the Yorkville rep.....uhmmmmmm...#somethingToThinkAbout

Most of the speaker companies had speakers on display which were not hooked up. It works be pointless if they were.

#1 There are nose level limits put in place by the organizers and yes there were people going around telling booths to lower their volumes.

#2 The people at neighboring booths often complain about noise levels as they are trying to talk with their potential customers.

#3 Even if they were hooked up it wouldn't have mattered at the noise levels they were restricted to. Everything sounds good at low levels.

My comments were about the namm show.

The JBL VRX line only uses 1.5" drivers as well and I'm sure they have no problem hanging with the EVs a far as sound quality. Sound output is a different issue.

Rebel, thanks for the 411....

it makes sense...

Yea, but there are 3 of them in each box

www.audiomaster.cz

Seems like you might be running your speakers too hard (nm). The ZXa5s do not have clip lights so care needs to be taken to not overdrive them. If the Live X speaker is shutting down and nothing is wrong with the amp, it is probably being pushed to hard and shutting down due to the thermal protection circuit kicking in. If you are pushing the speakers to their limits, it is really better to back them off a bit and bring more rig for the gig.

Im a yorkville user of Elite series / Nx series and i also own zxa5s. I understand the problem your having because ive seen it happen with my system. Yorkvilles can withstand ridiculous amounts of ABUSE and never fail, This can spoil you and allow for bad habits...... but you can not abuse zxa5s or you will surly blow them. Ive gotten to the point I no longer trust other djs with my zxa5s and only rent out my yorkvilles when i cant be there to monitor their level.
ZXA5s are not for everybody.......Trust Me .
I highly recommend you purchase and ALWAYS use a suppressor/limiter with your zxa5 if you choose to keep them otherwise sell them asap.

Folks .... Do a little research.... Protect your ivesment

Just to add, I've been DJi'ng over 30 years, Repaired Amplifers, speakers, blah blah blah for the same amount of time.
These speakers have a max current consumption of 3amps x 120 volts = 360 watts RMS consumption power.
You cannot create more than you are using. Physically impossible. So an amplifier like this is usally about 60-70 % effecient so you are looking at about 200 - 250 Watts RMS output. The efficiency is now determined by how well the speakers can deliver that useable amplified output and turn it into sound.

My take no a days with these electronics terms that are thrown around to bullshit have the public is to just turn it up and listen to it. Screw all the specs they tell you. 90% of the people reading them don't even know what they mean.

Peak to Peak, Program power, thats all a joke. like I said you can't create more than you are consuming. its impossible in our physical world.

I've heard these speakers and love them btw. i'm picking up a set!! lol!

That sir is where you are wrong. The point and purpose of an amplifier is to amplify a signal. Whether it be electricity or data. What you say is vaguely true but you only speak half the truth. Yes you cant create more than you put in. But you can change parameters to make more of something. It's very simple math. As you showed... But your conclusions are a little skewed. All you stated is that the input to the amplifier circuit is 250w. So in short, the maximum input to the amplifier is 250w. Depending on your amplifier circuit you can modulate the signal to much higher gain. The more efficient the amplifier, the higher gain. Lab gruppen has a 10,000w amp out, and if I do say so myself, what it says on the unit and what it produces is quite spot on.
Amps increases the power of a signal. It does this by taking energy from a power supply and controlling the output to match the input signal shape but with a larger amplitude.
Class D amps have a very high power conversion efficiency, usually better than 90% above one quarter of the amplifier's maximum power. So In short... The lower you run the amp.. The less efficient it is.
Technically speajking you should always run your amps at 75%-100%. It's good for the amp and you do less damage to other equipment. For example it is better to run your mixer at 40% and amps at 100% than it is to run your mixer at 80% and amps at 60%. Why is it better you may ask? Well when you are clipping your mixer you are running the circuitry ragged and therefore more likely to blow out your mixer. Where as if you were running it lower at 40% the mixer is working comfortably and the amps are also comfortably working too.

I Have just purchased two used LS801p subs.
I'm going to buy two New Parasource Tops to use with the subs.

What speaker would sound better with the ls801p the ps12p or the ps15p?

I was also looking at the Ev etx 15p but another DJ told me that they don't have enough power to keep up with the LS801p subs

Does a 15 inch speaker have a better sound in the mid range, or is that a fallacy?

Thanks Dan

I personally think 12" tops sound better than 15" tops with subs. 15" tops tend to sound a little muddier to me while smaller tops sound crisper and tighter.

Good points. What he said...

I think it all depends if you are using a sub or not. By themselves a 15 will produce more bass than a 12 obviously, hence the vocal muddiness. Now if your talking a 15 inch 3 way, thats a different story. It will sound clearer. Anyhow if you use the 12 or 15inch top with a sub it will be the same sound since you are obviously crossing them over so all your getting is the upper frequeinces anyways. Most 12s and 15s use the same high fi driver. You wont be running them full range unless you want your sound really muddy. So in essence it doesn't matter. Power/watts does not equal loudness, sound. You should be looking at spl, frequency response, dispersion/coverage and the size of the driver.

In regards to the ps12p or the ps15p tops, they are almost identical in everything, expect the 15 tops goes a decibel higher.

I agree with the above. In a two way cab the 12's will sound better with a sub at the cost of 1-2 dbs off the max volume (which will probably not be noticeable). If you had a three way speaker with sub the 15" driver would be better, as you would cross it over a little lower so the 15" can handle more mid bass and the sub getting sub bass only.
There are not many reasonably priced (under $2k) speakers that can keep up with the LS801p one for one, the ZXa5 and ....

Possibly the RCF ART-745A.

On paper and in application are often two different things. I'm going to say that the PS15P will keep its full sound up to higher SPL levels while the PS12P will start removing the ultra deep bass earlier and its mids and highs will get louder earlier as well - all of this to say the PS15P will be a better choice overall IF you plan on often just using tops without subs. If you always use subs, the PS12Ps are certainly more compact and easier to move around. It works well stand alone as well for parties with 150 guests or less - at wedding levels.

Al

Thanks guys, I will go with the 12" speaker to get a better mid and high sound.
I don't need anymore bass with them Yorkville subs.

The RCF Art 745-A Looks really good, I've asked a few shops for pricing .
I use v1 smr 450 and swa1501 setup for my wedding gigs.
The Yorkville gear will be for bar and club work that I do.

Will the speakers sound better if I cross them over using a DBX drive rack or should I just use the ls801p HF Rolloff at 100 Hz and the 100 Hz sub button on the ps12p?

Well you're doing it right by not mixing and matching speakers.

PS12p-
Integrated DSP ensures the PS12P can operate in any application without complex external processing. A simple one-button high pass filter switch rolls off low frequency material when PS12P is used with any Paraline Series or powered élite System subwoofer. Bass boost delivers remarkably improved bottom end response from the PS12P without cluttering midrange program or affecting the cabinet's overall intelligibility - making it the perfect small speaker solution for larger events where additional subwoofer support is not available.

Thanks man, I do understand that the questions was "would the speakers sound better using a drive rack" ?

Thanks man, I do understand that. The questions was "would the speakers sound better using a drive rack" ?

If i were you, I would let the speakers do what they do. If you like the way they sound then run with it. If you feel that something is lacking, and needs to be smoothed out, then use the drive rack. I wouldn't want to carry the extra equipment rack that my processors are in. It defeats the purpose of going active. People say that if you take a little eq out of the ls801p it really smooths out and becomes a very nice sounding sub. The dsp's in most modern speaker work really well. If you don't have the driverack already, i wouldn't purchase one, before giving the setup a testdrive. Just my opinions.

In reading my response I realized i didn't answer the direct question. Yes the potential is there to make the speakers sound better. However, the potential is also there to make them sound worst, defeating what the dsp is set out to accomplish. Do you understand the different slopes, filter types, time alignments, etc, associated with dsp devices? If so, you would have no problems getting them to sound better.

Exactly, that autosetup from the DBXs are the worst. Your speakers will sound like shit and all you'll get is blinking threshold limit lights if you dont know a thing about all sound. DBX boxes are not for beginners.

Yeah, I don't think it will be worth worrying about the drive rack at this stage.

It sucks that autosetup is useless. That look like one of the best features of the unit.

A 2 way 15 that doesn't sound Muddy is the rcf art 745s

I did look at the rcf art 745s they were going to cost me a lot more then the ps15p.
And they did not have a 100 HZ crossover button like the ps15p. so I would need an external crossover, costing more money. Plus I don't like the look of them.

I have got my new system now. Two ls801p and two ps15p. I would say it is a over kill for most Mobile DJs out there. I guess its because I enjoy What I do so much and Love playing music I wanted to have a Kick ass sound system.

I ended up going with the 15" over the 12" because of the better versatility.
After listening to the speaker I would say that the 15 inch is not Muddy in the mids.
but is not pronounced as much as the highs and the bass.
I think with the 12" the mids would be louder but with less bass.

About 10 years ago I paid $2000NZD per speaker Wholesale for a Mackie smr450.
today I paid $1700NZD per speaker Wholesale for the Yorkville PS15.
It goes to show how much value for money people and getting buying speakers now.
You are getting really good value for money.

I own and sound and lighting renta company. We have over 100 speakers in our fleet and I have been in business 23 years. I can say with confidence that the ps15p is the best two way box I have ever used. I am a JBL, EV,RCF,Turbo Sound, etc dealer. Jbl doesn't make a box that is even close to this box. These are ridiculously durable. I have tried to push this box to the max and have yet to see the clip light ever come on. You have to really push it to get the limiter light to flicker. The one thing about this is not just compression, but multi band compression which only compresses the frequency areas that are peeking in allows an overall signal level to increase without that's washing sound. When other boxes start to go to crap at higher levels you can keep pushing this box and it stays clean. It is amazingly clear at blistering levels.

Then you have not thoroughly tested them.

my personal opinion the jbl srx15 2 way sounds better....ive tested both side by side

srx815

Heard a pair of ps12p at an Indian wedding pre-party with about 350 people in a single large hall. The dj was just running two of these and they sounded good. When it came to dancing bass was obviously lacking but they were LOUD and clear. The speakers limit light was coming on occasionally but it didn't sound muddy.

A pair of ps12p or ps15 over a set or two of the PAS2S would be a banging system for most medium sized events.

I love the ps12s sub. It doesn't get super low, but for such a compact and light sub, it gets very loud and throws pretty far and actually produce bass you can feel.

It's obviously not going to compete with larger subs out there, but for the size, it's better than any midrange 12" powered sub I've seen or heard.

A pair of those and a pair of quality 8" tops like the dxr8s or k8s, and you'd have a solid micro system that gets pretty loud and goes pretty low.