Serato Video General Discussion

Talk about Serato Video and Video-SL.

To Pc owners with NVIDIA or ATI graphic cards

Dj ListenDat 9:34 AM - 26 October, 2012
Hi all,

After hours of seeking into the net i finally understood different stuff about the different codecs etc....

Serato has been tested to more or less work with haali media splitter and ffdshow.

First know that Haali media splitter is needed only for being able to read .mkv files. If you have only mp4 is useless

Please, be aware that those codecs DON'T USE WELL the potential of your graphic card. They are cpu based codecs that thanks to DVXA that were added later use your GPU for hardware acceleration but not in an optimal way.

The best free codec for nvidia cuda capable graphic cards is LAV Decoder. The problem is that Serato can't develop a specific video support for each brand. That is why it uses DVXA as hardware acceleration. It s to bad cause CUDA is proved to use between 20-40% less CPU allowing the use of video recording at the main time in better condition for example (e.g camtasia).


Once you installed ffdshow you need to enable DVXA to add the GPU support so that you can get the best performance.

Here is a french guide :

www.media-center7.fr
DJMark 9:44 AM - 26 October, 2012
It would be a better idea to use non-bootleg files, no?

(If I'm wrong, please point us to any and all legit sources of said .mkv files).
Dj ListenDat 3:21 PM - 26 October, 2012
From what i've seen Serato Video don't know how to use ffdshow dxva so your graphic card GPU is never helping in anything........it is too bad :s :(
Dj ListenDat 3:21 PM - 26 October, 2012
I'm really disapointed. It should say there is only Mac support straight from the beginning
Dj ListenDat 3:54 PM - 26 October, 2012
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Hi all,

After hours of seeking into the net i finally understood different stuff about the different codecs etc....

Serato has been tested to more or less work with haali media splitter and ffdshow.

First know that Haali media splitter is needed only for being able to read .mkv files. If you have only mp4 is useless

Please, be aware that those codecs DON'T USE WELL the potential of your graphic card. They are cpu based codecs that thanks to DVXA that were added later use your GPU for hardware acceleration but not in an optimal way.

The best free codec for nvidia cuda capable graphic cards is LAV Decoder. The problem is that Serato can't develop a specific video support for each brand. That is why it uses DVXA as hardware acceleration. It s to bad cause CUDA is proved to use between 20-40% less CPU allowing the use of video recording at the main time in better condition for example (e.g camtasia).


Once you installed ffdshow you need to enable DVXA to add the GPU support so that you can get the best performance.

Here is a french guide :

www.media-center7.fr



I was wrong : Serato Video DOESN'T support FFDSHOW DXVA ! So whatever graphic card you can have it won't change any significant thing. It is the CPU that will take the video treatment in charge. Thanks to DXVA support we could have better video quality,speed and around 30-40% less CPU usage ! That would permit recordings to be better as well

Please work on DXVA support in SV !
DouggyFresh 5:57 AM - 28 October, 2012
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Hi all,

After hours of seeking into the net i finally understood different stuff about the different codecs etc....

Serato has been tested to more or less work with haali media splitter and ffdshow.

First know that Haali media splitter is needed only for being able to read .mkv files. If you have only mp4 is useless

Please, be aware that those codecs DON'T USE WELL the potential of your graphic card. They are cpu based codecs that thanks to DVXA that were added later use your GPU for hardware acceleration but not in an optimal way.

The best free codec for nvidia cuda capable graphic cards is LAV Decoder. The problem is that Serato can't develop a specific video support for each brand. That is why it uses DVXA as hardware acceleration. It s to bad cause CUDA is proved to use between 20-40% less CPU allowing the use of video recording at the main time in better condition for example (e.g camtasia).


Once you installed ffdshow you need to enable DVXA to add the GPU support so that you can get the best performance.

Here is a french guide :

www.media-center7.fr



I was wrong : Serato Video DOESN'T support FFDSHOW DXVA ! So whatever graphic card you can have it won't change any significant thing. It is the CPU that will take the video treatment in charge. Thanks to DXVA support we could have better video quality,speed and around 30-40% less CPU usage ! That would permit recordings to be better as well

Please work on DXVA support in SV !


I agree! Most modern PC video cards can decode/encode video files so efficiently it's amazing. Although I noticed going from Quicktime to FFDShow/Haali splitter, my CPU usage dropped over 20%. What accounts for that? My frame rate went from 30 to 60, and I can get 59 frames per second on best quality.
Dj ListenDat 11:50 AM - 29 October, 2012
"I agree! Most modern PC video cards can decode/encode video files so efficiently it's amazing. Although I noticed going from Quicktime to FFDShow/Haali splitter, my CPU usage dropped over 20%. What accounts for that? My frame rate went from 30 to 60, and I can get 59 frames per second on best quality."

The drop of CPU might indicate a use of your GPU......i just don't understand why the DXVA icon doesn't appear when it is activated as it appears well with the other video apps.....

59 fps on best quality with 720p videos ?

SV video engine isn't good at all as it uses so many ressources for unknown reasons. Try to open 10 videos (1080p) at the same time with MPC-HC it will use less ressources than SV and 1......It is the same with the different formats that are not supported well etc....

The use of the different codecs is not clear as well. I think it is truely oriented to MAC users
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:16 PM - 29 October, 2012
This nothing new though, Video has always ran like crap with Serato. It does work though, no where near as good as on a Mac but it does work. Besides there's always VDJ and that runs and does as good and as much as SV.
I doubt they'll ever fix and if they ever do we probably won't see it for quite some time....
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:17 PM - 29 October, 2012
EDIT, runs like crap on a PC......
Dj ListenDat 5:17 PM - 29 October, 2012
The problem is that i tried VDJ with serato and it works like shit. I never managed to get a good scratch
Code:E 11:56 PM - 29 October, 2012
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The problem is that i tried VDJ with serato and it works like shit. I never managed to get a good scratch


What? I dont understand what your trying to say here. I (in the past) used VDJ (numark Cue, actually, but same shit different smell) on a PC and not only did the video run great. it didnt slow my system down, it had far more effects and features than the PC version of VSL, NEVER once crashed at a gig, and timecode support was great! If you say you had issues with scratching i would say you need a better soundcard/timecodes/turntables Or all of the above.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:27 AM - 30 October, 2012
Couldn't agree more.
Dj ListenDat 8:00 AM - 30 October, 2012
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The problem is that i tried VDJ with serato and it works like shit. I never managed to get a good scratch


What? I dont understand what your trying to say here. I (in the past) used VDJ (numark Cue, actually, but same shit different smell) on a PC and not only did the video run great. it didnt slow my system down, it had far more effects and features than the PC version of VSL, NEVER once crashed at a gig, and timecode support was great! If you say you had issues with scratching i would say you need a better soundcard/timecodes/turntables Or all of the above.


Hi man,

I'm not saying that VDJ isn't good. When Torq Xponent midi controller was released, i did my first video mix. It was in 2004 and at a period people wasn't talking about VJ as we are today (8 years ago !). It was perfectly working.

What i meant to say is that VDJ + RANE SL1 + Serato Timecode has never worked well for me. The scratching is horrible and keep jumping etc....
Dj ListenDat 8:02 AM - 30 October, 2012
If your computer doesn't work well with a software it doesn't mean you need a better computer...........always check the software before........
DouggyFresh 8:34 AM - 30 October, 2012
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The problem is that i tried VDJ with serato and it works like shit. I never managed to get a good scratch


What? I dont understand what your trying to say here. I (in the past) used VDJ (numark Cue, actually, but same shit different smell) on a PC and not only did the video run great. it didnt slow my system down, it had far more effects and features than the PC version of VSL, NEVER once crashed at a gig, and timecode support was great! If you say you had issues with scratching i would say you need a better soundcard/timecodes/turntables Or all of the above.


Hi man,

I'm not saying that VDJ isn't good. When Torq Xponent midi controller was released, i did my first video mix. It was in 2004 and at a period people wasn't talking about VJ as we are today (8 years ago !). It was perfectly working.

What i meant to say is that VDJ + RANE SL1 + Serato Timecode has never worked well for me. The scratching is horrible and keep jumping etc....


Then you should be using Virtual DJ timecode with VDJ - a friend of mine uses it with video, and he's a sick turntablist. He uses a Numark DJIO - but realistically, Virtual DJ works best with VDJ timecodes.
Dj ListenDat 1:33 PM - 30 October, 2012
Yes for sure i don't doubt it but as i own Serato i don't want to spend money on buying new hardware for VDJ
DouggyFresh 12:00 AM - 1 November, 2012
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Yes for sure i don't doubt it but as i own Serato i don't want to spend money on buying new hardware for VDJ


You can still use your SL1 but just get copies of the VDJ CD's, or in the case of vinyl, buy a spare set of VDJ Vinyls...
Dj ListenDat 10:02 PM - 1 November, 2012
From what i've understood so far when ffdshow is installed, serato uses ffdshow video decoder instead of using ffdshow dxva video decoder. So it takes power from the CPU instead of letting the GPU to handle it.

What i've done and now works flawlessly is :

- Forced use of my Nvidia graphic card as i have to in the laptop and the other intel one is not compatible. This can be done in the Nvidia display panel in the 3d options.
- Removed all codecs
- Reinstalled latest LAV video codecs (code.google.com) with installer version
- Enabled Cuvid (Nvidia GPU acceleration) in the LAV video decoder options
- Used the disable quicktime script available here serato.com (script that was not working anymore since Serato Video was released and that i helped the staff updating without any sign of thankfulness from them :s :(
- Ensured that LAV decoder was the main WIN7 video codec used for H.264 videos thanks to Win7DSFilterTweaker_5.5 available here codecguide.com
- Installed Nvidia PowerMizer Manager (NVPMManagerUni-1.01.zip) and applied max performance and activated the overheat slowdown override. This permit to avoid framerate that was suddenly droping after a few minutes
Dj ListenDat 10:03 PM - 1 November, 2012
I also disabled V-SYNC to have better performance as there is no difference in enabling or disabling it on my LCD TV in 1080p or 720p. There are the same horizontal lines that appear
Dj ListenDat 10:28 PM - 1 November, 2012
Enabling AERO solved the horizontal lines !

Seen here www.tomshardware.co.uk

So i recommand to test if there is changes when v-sync is turned off and if not don't turn it on as it uses gpu ressources
DJ DisGrace 10:31 PM - 1 November, 2012
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From what i've understood so far when ffdshow is installed, serato uses ffdshow video decoder instead of using ffdshow dxva video decoder. So it takes power from the CPU instead of letting the GPU to handle it.

What i've done and now works flawlessly is :

- Forced use of my Nvidia graphic card as i have to in the laptop and the other intel one is not compatible. This can be done in the Nvidia display panel in the 3d options.
- Removed all codecs
- Reinstalled latest LAV video codecs (code.google.com) with installer version
- Enabled Cuvid (Nvidia GPU acceleration) in the LAV video decoder options
- Used the disable quicktime script available here serato.com (script that was not working anymore since Serato Video was released and that i helped the staff updating without any sign of thankfulness from them :s :(
- Ensured that LAV decoder was the main WIN7 video codec used for H.264 videos thanks to Win7DSFilterTweaker_5.5 available here codecguide.com
- Installed Nvidia PowerMizer Manager (NVPMManagerUni-1.01.zip) and applied max performance and activated the overheat slowdown override. This permit to avoid framerate that was suddenly droping after a few minutes


In the meantime, I went out and bought a Mac, and stole your gigs









Haha just kidding man. Good work figuring this stuff out. There are lots of PC guys that struggle with Serato Video. Too bad the installer doesn't make all these changes automatically...
Joshua Carl 5:07 PM - 3 November, 2012
going back a few...

it took me installing and uninstalling x 10 the different driver packages and finally found
one that kept it running like butter.

another factor was the different quicktime releases.
Id install an update, and have to roll it back constantly because it would effect performace.
and the other decoder option didnt fly for me...so i stayed with quicktime.
Dj ListenDat 12:41 PM - 28 February, 2013
Vdj recommands Serato vinyl so I truly don t understand why scratch is like shit with my new rane sl2
phatbob 5:04 PM - 28 February, 2013
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Vdj recommands Serato vinyl so I truly don t understand why scratch is like shit with my new rane sl2


Errr... What?
Joshua Carl 5:43 PM - 28 February, 2013
sl2 + virtual DJ?

but why?
Dj ListenDat 6:31 PM - 28 February, 2013
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Vdj recommands Serato vinyl so I truly don t understand why scratch is like shit with my new rane sl2


Errr... What?


Seen on their website
Dj ListenDat 6:32 PM - 28 February, 2013
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sl2 + virtual DJ?

but why?


Cause i'm pc owner and vdj offers better video performance, support, and stability. Plus i use Camtasia and with serato i have slowdowns
Joshua Carl 6:45 PM - 28 February, 2013
seeing how the SL2 isnt "designed" with VDJ in mind, nor is the Control Vinyl

your really trying to bridge gaps between a hardware/software river that 1 company had no intentions of trying to cross.

Id suggest, to rule out anything else, before you waste your time and effort
run Serato, see if the vinyl + SL2 + Serato works well
then See if Serato + SL2 + Serato Video (Trial download) perform well

if all that seems to work swimmingly you have ruled out your hardware and vinyl as being the problem...and now your left with the age old PC & VDJ debate
Dj ListenDat 9:26 PM - 28 February, 2013
I do have Serato video but have to admit it's not very good on PC. Not as good as VDJ
Code:E 11:35 PM - 28 February, 2013
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I do have Serato video but have to admit it's not very good on PC. Not as good as VDJ

+10000
the SOUNDINSURGENT 12:33 AM - 1 March, 2013
I only wish timecode was as tight as Serato or Traktor......... other then that, VDJ is good to go.
Code:E 12:41 AM - 1 March, 2013
It worked great with CDJ2000's in HID mode.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:27 AM - 1 March, 2013
That's just it, VDJ is great when using MIDI or HID but when it comes to timecoded vinyl it just doesn't cut it. I have tried it with every timecode on the market and the best ones were Numarks but even then they're not that tight. Even with a MAC its a no go........... Not everybody wants to use a controller. Call old school if you want but I love my Techs........
Culprit 1:46 AM - 1 March, 2013
Just a sidenote, all the new RANE hardware should work fine with VDJ. The hardware was made specifically for Serato Scratch Live, but the hardware is not locked for it. They are open and welcome to anyone who wants to use any of their new hardware with any new software on the market, and you can get support for it over at rane.com. I have been testing VDJ on PC w/ the old SL1 box and its solid as a rock. Way better than Serato Video on PC.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:54 AM - 1 March, 2013
@ Culprit, MIDI or Control Vinyl??

I use an SL3 but as of late I just use my DJM T-1 with VDJ and the response is just not there. I had this debate and it always turns into "turntables is old school get a controller" thread and then ends up locked. I for one don't want a controller cause my mixers are just fine (Ecler NUO4 & DJM T-1) they just need to iron out the timecodes ...............hopefully when 8 drops itll be better and if not then ME here I come.
Culprit 1:55 AM - 1 March, 2013
Control Vinyl RANE 2.0 records w/ SL1 Box. It's not as accurate as Serato, but its damn near close.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:57 AM - 1 March, 2013
Could you PM your settings please??