It's great and all that Mix Emergency is out for 2.4 now but...

Justin Styles 4:14 PM - 17 July, 2012

All these people thanking the two companies for coming together is a bit ridiculous. Was there any mention of a partnership between the two? I didn't see any mention of it anywhere.

This being the case, here's what it looks like from my perspective.

1. Serato creates Serato Video, not to screw over ME users but to optimize their own product and make it better because it needed a rewrite.
2. ME users scream, cry, throw toys out of their stroller, petition about how Serato is the DEVIL.
3. Serato posts saying the door is open and they'll work with Inklen but Inklen hasn't taken that step.
4. Behind the scenes, Inklen knows they figured out how to read SSL's memory once, they can do it again. Why pay for licensing? Look at the press ME is getting.
5. ME releases a version of 2.4 and everyone thanks both, the video community is happy once again.

Sure it sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish but based on what I've seen it's pretty accurate. Also this is taking into the fact that I've heard there's stuff that wasn't public, but someone should clear this up.

As far as I can tell, the video community is full of whiners that cry and don't understand software licensing. Please try to understand software licensing if something like this happens in the future.

Just to clarify before someone calls me a Serato leg humper, I'm an ME user myself and a software developer. While it sucks ME wasn't usable, this notion that Serato intentionally broke ME is pure idiocy.

Steve Dub. 4:33 PM - 17 July, 2012

Who gives a shit? It didn't work. We complained. It works now. I don't care how or why it happened, I'm just happy with the results.

djpuma_gemini 4:39 PM - 17 July, 2012

Viva ME

DJ Deano 4:56 PM - 17 July, 2012

Who cares how it's come about.

It works, get on with it and shut up moaning.

Justin Styles 4:57 PM - 17 July, 2012

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Who gives a shit? It didn't work. We complained. It works now. I don't care how or why it happened, I'm just happy with the results.

What I'm saying is there is no evidence that your complaining (and the petition for that matter) didn't have any positive impact on anything. Inklen was obviously working on 2.4 compatibility because it's their flagship product. Unless they announce they helped each other out, all the crying was for nothing and pointless. If you think you had any impact on it, you're lying to yourself.

DJ Deano 5:00 PM - 17 July, 2012

End of the day, nobody knows what went on apart from Nick At Inklen, and whoever at serato.

They know what went on, and we all know now that it works, time to move on and stop going on about what came first the chicken or the egg.

djpuma_gemini 5:09 PM - 17 July, 2012

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End of the day, nobody knows what went on apart from Nick At Inklen, and whoever at serato.

.

THIS

Maybe a few others might know, but we all don't know for sure.
All I know is ME wasn't working in 2.4 and now it is.

DjBoozie 5:15 PM - 17 July, 2012

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what came first the chicken or the egg

Here's the answer in which you search!!!!

i1103.photobucket.com

djpuma_gemini 5:18 PM - 17 July, 2012

haha

popnwave 5:32 PM - 17 July, 2012

Well since one Justin hasn't chimed in (Justin Allen) I guess another had to spout the negativity.

DJ'Que 5:36 PM - 17 July, 2012

now everybody that said they were going to buy the 62 go buy it. cos im buying ME anyway.

DjBoozie 5:57 PM - 17 July, 2012

Still ain't going to get one

Steve Dub. 6:10 PM - 17 July, 2012

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Who gives a shit? It didn't work. We complained. It works now. I don't care how or why it happened, I'm just happy with the results.

What I'm saying is there is no evidence that your complaining (and the petition for that matter) didn't have any positive impact on anything. Inklen was obviously working on 2.4 compatibility because it's their flagship product. Unless they announce they helped each other out, all the crying was for nothing and pointless. If you think you had any impact on it, you're lying to yourself.

Again, don't give a shit. If it did. GREAT. If it didn't, I don't care because it works now. I didn't start the petition, I signed it, took 5 seconds.

There is evidence that the petition did something. It got a direct response from the main guy at Serato.

DJ Deano 6:27 PM - 17 July, 2012

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Who gives a shit? It didn't work. We complained. It works now. I don't care how or why it happened, I'm just happy with the results.

What I'm saying is there is no evidence that your complaining (and the petition for that matter) didn't have any positive impact on anything. Inklen was obviously working on 2.4 compatibility because it's their flagship product. Unless they announce they helped each other out, all the crying was for nothing and pointless. If you think you had any impact on it, you're lying to yourself.

Again, don't give a shit. If it did. GREAT. If it didn't, I don't care because it works now. I didn't start the petition, I signed it, took 5 seconds.

There is evidence that the petition did something. It got a direct response from the main guy at Serato.

And you know that for fact?
Did the petition actually make a difference?

How do you know that once again Inklen and Serato were not in talks well before this even started?

Maybe it was all a ploy to get us kicking and screaming, making a fuss to create attention for all partys?

Like i say the only people who know are serato and inklen, and frankly i don't care. Its working, and it opens it up to more possibilities in future.

the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:35 PM - 17 July, 2012

Maybe in return Inklen will help Serato convert some of their features over to SV........

Dj-M.Bezzle 6:47 PM - 17 July, 2012

i615.photobucket.com

DJ Unique 7:46 PM - 17 July, 2012

It works!!!!
Hell yeah!!!

skinnyguy 8:41 PM - 17 July, 2012

paying for licensing probably would make it officially supported. so far, it's still not officially supported. maybe there are some NZ laws that both parties are trying to avoid by keeping it unofficial.

but it was stated from a serato staff (can't remember who) that nick dropped by their offices the other day and everything got straightened out.

who knows if it was literal or just a figure of speech, but things seem to be back to "normal" once again and everyone is happy.

djnak 9:22 PM - 17 July, 2012

wow...who cares why or how...and thanking them is the least the video comunitty could do.

tomatoslice 10:23 PM - 17 July, 2012

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now everybody that said they were going to buy the 62 go buy it. cos im buying ME anyway.

thought you already bought ME?

DJ'Que 11:09 PM - 17 July, 2012

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now everybody that said they were going to buy the 62 go buy it. cos im buying ME anyway.

thought you already bought ME?

nope not yet was about to b4 I got the 62

LJ_WOOLSEY 11:16 PM - 17 July, 2012

For the people that couldn't read will repost here.

Michael R12:17 AM - 17 July, 2012
Hey everyone,

We've been in discussions with Nick from Inklen for a while now, and recently he stopped by the office so we could resolve the issue of Scratch Live and MixEmergency no longer working together. The outcome is that Serato still does not officially support MixEmergency, however we are happy for Inklen to get it working again with the newer versions of Scratch Live. Serato and Inklen will remain in close contact to ensure that should any more issues arise, we can quickly resolve them.

Inklen will announce separately the timeline for their next release, which will support the newer versions of Scratch Live and the new Rane mixers.

We know this will make a lot of our mutual customers happy, and look forward to moving forward with new releases of Scratch Live and MixEmergency

tomatoslice 12:54 AM - 18 July, 2012

wow, Que. words are not good enough...

first you said you bought it.
then you said you didn't buy it and had a hack.
next you said you were kidding and really bought it.
now you say you didn't again.
AND you have said numerous that you have used ME.

fact is:
you either used a hack version of mix emergency (nice)
or
you lied numerous times.
probably both.

that plus your posts, put you in your own special category.
name calling and insults are too good for you.

aireyc 12:57 AM - 18 July, 2012

I think the point that Justin is addressing is that a bunch of you like Steve Dub are really the lowest common denominator and a major annoyance for the rest of us who have some grasp of reality. The attitude of "I don't care how as long as it works" for these types of issues is really as dumb as it gets since a lot of unnecessary chaos is created along the way. If you're going to complain, at least have an idea of what you're complaining about. There's a difference between venting frustration and soap boxing based on nothing more than assumption.

I'm ashamed at the way you guys trashed the team at Serato when they released 2.4. As a software developer myself, it's very frustrating dealing with that type of user base who is completely unwilling to be reasonable on any level and scream "me me me" regardless of the reasoning. I commend Serato for dealing with this in a very reasonable way.

DjBoozie 1:17 AM - 18 July, 2012

These threads are going to turn into how many comments before it gets shut down. I say within 30 more this one will be locked.. Any other bids?

phatbob 1:28 AM - 18 July, 2012

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I think the point that Justin is addressing is that a bunch of you like Steve Dub are really the lowest common denominator and a major annoyance for the rest of us who have some grasp of reality. The attitude of "I don't care how as long as it works" for these types of issues is really as dumb as it gets since a lot of unnecessary chaos is created along the way. If you're going to complain, at least have an idea of what you're complaining about. There's a difference between venting frustration and soap boxing based on nothing more than assumption.

I'm ashamed at the way you guys trashed the team at Serato when they released 2.4. As a software developer myself, it's very frustrating dealing with that type of user base who is completely unwilling to be reasonable on any level and scream "me me me" regardless of the reasoning. I commend Serato for dealing with this in a very reasonable way.

Sanctimonious much?

Joshua Carl 2:51 AM - 18 July, 2012

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what it looks like from my perspective.

Sure it sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish

based on what I've seen

Also this is taking into the fact that I've heard there's stuff .

only because you where clear not to present your argument as FACT do i see EXACTLY what you mean.
we are users.
we are the target audience for revenue

The 2 things we can do is Use the Product and provide feedback.
and voice our opinions when we are not happy.

just because we are end users we are supposed to take it and say thank you sir may I have another?

this is my CAREER.
which means my MONEY.
which means clothes on my kid's back and food in their mouth.

how can one expect someone not to raise the alarm when these things are being altered.
again, we are USERS.... if we were a community of serato stock holders, or programmers for the company, that is one thing.... but we are not.

Ive eluded to this before, in other places.
one of the great tragedies of the internet is that there are people who genuinely know whats going on in situations like this, there are people who are just along for the ride, but even worse are the people who profess they know alot more than they actually do....
and these are the things the set so many conversations back...
of course those who are privi to certain pieces of information are often stifled by NDA's and
have to sit there and write out responses to threads from the last 6 months of BS, then delete them ;-)

Dj-M.Bezzle 3:45 AM - 18 July, 2012

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I think the point that Justin is addressing is that a bunch of you like Steve Dub are really the lowest common denominator and a major annoyance for the rest of us who have some grasp of reality. The attitude of "I don't care how as long as it works" for these types of issues is really as dumb as it gets since a lot of unnecessary chaos is created along the way. If you're going to complain, at least have an idea of what you're complaining about. There's a difference between venting frustration and soap boxing based on nothing more than assumption.

I'm ashamed at the way you guys trashed the team at Serato when they released 2.4. As a software developer myself, it's very frustrating dealing with that type of user base who is completely unwilling to be reasonable on any level and scream "me me me" regardless of the reasoning. I commend Serato for dealing with this in a very reasonable way.

probably the most ignorant thing ive read about the situation yet, im a software developer myself and I can tell you if i redesigned my companys software, added NO IMPROVEMENTS and alienated the high ## clientele of my company Id have ALOT of explaining to do. Also from a customer perspective I could care less of the hows and whys because when I show up to the club and my product is sub par because of it the people paying me do not give ONE SHIT about the hows or whys, its MY reputation on the line so the fact that there IS A SOLUTION is all I need to know!

Dj-M.Bezzle 3:51 AM - 18 July, 2012

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what it looks like from my perspective.

Sure it sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish

based on what I've seen

Also this is taking into the fact that I've heard there's stuff .

only because you where clear not to present your argument as FACT do i see EXACTLY what you mean.
we are users.
we are the target audience for revenue

The 2 things we can do is Use the Product and provide feedback.
and voice our opinions when we are not happy.

just because we are end users we are supposed to take it and say thank you sir may I have another?

this is my CAREER.
which means my MONEY.
which means clothes on my kid's back and food in their mouth.

how can one expect someone not to raise the alarm when these things are being altered.
again, we are USERS.... if we were a community of serato stock holders, or programmers for the company, that is one thing.... but we are not.

Ive eluded to this before, in other places.
one of the great tragedies of the internet is that there are people who genuinely know whats going on in situations like this, there are people who are just along for the ride, but even worse are the people who profess they know alot more than they actually do....
and these are the things the set so many conversations back...
of course those who are privi to certain pieces of information are often stifled by NDA's and
have to sit there and write out responses to threads from the last 6 months of BS, then delete them ;-)

i blame video report for keeping us ill informed!! lol jk

Rebelguy 4:18 AM - 18 July, 2012

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Well since one Justin hasn't chimed in (Justin Allen) I guess another had to spout the negativity.

Hahaha,

Dj-M.Bezzle 4:19 AM - 18 July, 2012

i demand an IP crossreferance

DJ'Que 9:27 AM - 18 July, 2012

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wow, Que. words are not good enough...

first you said you bought it.
then you said you didn't buy it and had a hack.
next you said you were kidding and really bought it.
now you say you didn't again.
AND you have said numerous that you have used ME.

fact is:
you either used a hack version of mix emergency (nice)
or
you lied numerous times.
probably both.

that plus your posts, put you in your own special category.
name calling and insults are too good for you.

got sent a hack version of it. Never said i brought it. And if i did i wouldnt of been one of the sissy crying about how it didnt work with the 62. Knowning that any minute a unsupported software could be demolished. Now i just wanna see evedybody that said as soon as the 62 works with mix emergency they going to buy one. And i wanna see pictures to prove it.

DJ'Que 9:29 AM - 18 July, 2012

Everybod

Millz 1:03 PM - 18 July, 2012

I dont even know what to say, cause everything I want to say is unprofessional. Wow

DjBoozie 3:49 PM - 18 July, 2012

PM me with it.. I'll say it. you can keep your level of professionalism. Cause this one won't take long to get shut down. Oh and Que I still ain't getting a 61/62 I sold my 57 and got me a pioneer and I love it SO i can be scratched off the list of people who you'll see with one.. Oh yeah an stop lying so much, then when you get caught up in it lash out and call people sissies.. Not a good look kid

tomatoslice 10:07 PM - 18 July, 2012

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got sent a hack version of it. Never said i brought it. And if i did i wouldnt of been one of the sissy crying about how it didnt work with the 62. Knowning that any minute a unsupported software could be demolished. Now i just wanna see evedybody that said as soon as the 62 works with mix emergency they going to buy one. And i wanna see pictures to prove it.

never said you bought it?? really? what about here where you claim to have wasted $179.
serato.com

to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

djpuma_gemini 10:27 PM - 18 July, 2012

pwned

Michael R 11:36 PM - 18 July, 2012

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to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

Everyone, chill out please. If the personal insults keep flying this thread will be locked, which I'm sure no-one wants to happen.

Thanks.

Dj TopDonn 2:41 AM - 19 July, 2012

Grabbing my popcorn while I wait for "Que's" response lol.

DJMark 3:12 AM - 19 July, 2012

What a bunch of STUPID.

DJMark 3:13 AM - 19 July, 2012

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to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

Everyone, chill out please. If the personal insults keep flying this thread will be locked, which I'm sure no-one wants to happen.

Thanks.

The original post was useless anyway.

Nothing but lame flame-bait and non-informed speculation.

tomatoslice 11:31 AM - 19 July, 2012

well, i was nice as possible.
and meant it.
probably should have pulled a Millz and been pro but fgit.

i doubt Que will reply.

PopRoXxX 3:13 PM - 19 July, 2012

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got sent a hack version of it. Never said i brought it. And if i did i wouldnt of been one of the sissy crying about how it didnt work with the 62. Knowning that any minute a unsupported software could be demolished. Now i just wanna see evedybody that said as soon as the 62 works with mix emergency they going to buy one. And i wanna see pictures to prove it.

never said you bought it?? really? what about here where you claim to have wasted $179.
serato.com

to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

Lol!! I love you Slicey :-P

DJ'Que 5:09 PM - 19 July, 2012

Quote:

got sent a hack version of it. Never said i brought it. And if i did i wouldnt of been one of the sissy crying about how it didnt work with the 62. Knowning that any minute a unsupported software could be demolished. Now i just wanna see evedybody that said as soon as the 62 works with mix emergency they going to buy one. And i wanna see pictures to prove it.

never said you bought it?? really? what about here where you claim to have wasted $179.
serato.com

to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

cuz I'm never scared of no one from this site trust me on that. especially someone with the name tomatoslice

as for that post I left out it was a cracked version and that I would of felt like i wasted $179.

and b4 steve dub even starts I know your dj'ing the 28th at Zen Lounge and that's why I told him not to follow what someone 1000's of miles say.

DJ DisGrace 5:18 PM - 19 July, 2012

*re-tracking

djpuma_gemini 5:21 PM - 19 July, 2012

can't we all just get along?

Who cares if que said it was bought, stolen, etc.

All I know is I got a 62, tested it with ME and 2.4 last night and it works great.
1LUV

Joshua Carl 6:02 PM - 19 July, 2012

IBTL.

3.bp.blogspot.com

DJ Unique 6:17 PM - 19 July, 2012

The Internet is serious stuff.

Justin Styles 7:25 PM - 19 July, 2012

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probably the most ignorant thing ive read about the situation yet, im a software developer myself and I can tell you if i redesigned my companys software, added NO IMPROVEMENTS and alienated the high ## clientele of my company Id have ALOT of explaining to do. Also from a customer perspective I could care less of the hows and whys because when I show up to the club and my product is sub par because of it the people paying me do not give ONE SHIT about the hows or whys, its MY reputation on the line so the fact that there IS A SOLUTION is all I need to know!

So as a software developer, you've never looked at old code and wanted to rewrite it? Serato Video was that rewrite. The clientele that were "alienated" were using an unofficial addon of the product. I'd be willing to wager that the # of ME users vs others (video-sl/video and audio) is a very small portion. In Minneapolis I know of 3-4 other djs actually using video, only one of them uses ME. The ME userbase in fact is probably less than 2% of scratch live users.

On the flip side, thanks to LJ_WOOLSEY for posting earlier. My whole point of this post was to hope that people would realize that the majority of the ME complaints were baseless. Yes it sucks that it wasn't usable, but it was obvious something new was in the works. The crazy people slamming Serato is what really got to me.

Millz 7:32 PM - 19 July, 2012

So Justin,

You are saying 3 of 4 video djs in Minneapolis are using 2008 technology. Awesome!!

the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:38 PM - 19 July, 2012

What part of Minneapolis? I'm down in Iowa about about 5 hours away. You know Fundo??

djpuma_gemini 8:40 PM - 19 July, 2012

Maybe in Twin Cities, but every video dj I know in Seattle, LA, NY, etc use Mix Emergency.
Yeah we might have used VSL in the beginning, but no one I know uses Serato Video or VSL anymore.

I don't see a Serato Video session at VDJC2 do you?

Joshua Carl 8:45 PM - 19 July, 2012

same here....
a few guys cut their teeth on SV, but were over to ME not long after.

Steve Dub. 8:49 PM - 19 July, 2012

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got sent a hack version of it. Never said i brought it. And if i did i wouldnt of been one of the sissy crying about how it didnt work with the 62. Knowning that any minute a unsupported software could be demolished. Now i just wanna see evedybody that said as soon as the 62 works with mix emergency they going to buy one. And i wanna see pictures to prove it.

never said you bought it?? really? what about here where you claim to have wasted $179.
serato.com

to put it politely, you lie and you are very bad at it.
you and your posts are full of complete shit.

cuz I'm never scared of no one from this site trust me on that. especially someone with the name tomatoslice

as for that post I left out it was a cracked version and that I would of felt like i wasted $179.

and b4 steve dub even starts I know your dj'ing the 28th at Zen Lounge and that's why I told him not to follow what someone 1000's of miles say.

Yup and I'm spinnin at a lot of other places too. Your point?

Michael R 8:52 PM - 19 July, 2012

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and b4 steve dub even starts I know your dj'ing the 28th at Zen Lounge and that's why I told him not to follow what someone 1000's of miles say.

Well if that's not implying a threat I don't know what is. Consider this a warning DJ'Que.

Thanks to the outstanding behaviour of DJ'Que and tomatoslice I'm locking this thread. Grow up guys.

8:52 PM, 19 Jul 2012

Discussion locked by Michael R

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