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1200's MKII vs 1210 M5G's - A discussion about torque
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1200's MKII vs 1210 M5G's - A discussion about torque

sixxx 9:15 PM - 12 January, 2008
As many of you know, I have 3 Technics setups. My old ones were 1200's MKII and my new ones are 1210's M5G.

I'm one of those DJ's that loves to scratch a track in and for years I've dropped my tracks on point due to practice and experience.

Then, after getting my 1210 M5G's, I noticed that when I would drop a track, it would be slightly off beat but I can correct it with a quickness so it's hardly noticeable. But, it bugs me sometimes. I notice this happening only with my M5G's.

So, my question is: Is the torque higher on the M5G's than the MKII's?

I thought they were the same. If you don't know what I'm talking about, imagine yourself using belt-driven turntables then switching to direct drive. Now, obviously, there's a huge difference between those two but it's just an example.

The reason why I'm barely posting this now is because I thought it was just my imagination, then I had an old friend of mine use my tables last night and he was experiencing the same "problem". This guy has been DJing since the 80's and he's very good, so no user error. :)
tehBEN 2:52 AM - 13 January, 2008
Sixxx, I noticed that too when I got on your decks at the Jam. Seems like it has more torque. Let me use them for the next 6 months and I'll conduct a series of tests for you LOL.
DJ GaFFle 2:57 PM - 13 January, 2008
Check the slip pads or swap the "perceived higher-torque" TT's pads with the M5G's and see if the problem still exists.
sixxx 7:37 PM - 13 January, 2008
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Check the slip pads or swap the "perceived higher-torque" TT's pads with the M5G's and see if the problem still exists.


I already tried that. They have the exact same slip mats anyway. lol
sixxx 7:37 PM - 13 January, 2008
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Sixxx, I noticed that too when I got on your decks at the Jam. Seems like it has more torque. Let me use them for the next 6 months and I'll conduct a series of tests for you LOL.


hahaha
DJ d.range 10:51 PM - 13 January, 2008
are you noticing this when the platters are at fulll spped or when you start them from a dead stop??

i've noticed that my m5g's aren't as "fluid" as other techs i've used @ different venues, i thought it was lack of experience, or maybe mine weren't as broken in--if thats possible

do u think adjusting the brake would help??
DJ d.range 11:08 PM - 13 January, 2008
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sixxx 3:08 AM - 14 January, 2008
What you posted was a discussion about pitch differences and stuff... wasn't it? Not related, I don't think.

At any rate. I noticed this when they're fully on as I don't see the point of starting a track from dead stop when mixing. lol

You know, when you scratch a track in. :)
DJ d.range 6:12 AM - 14 January, 2008
That's what I figuered.So what are u saying that when u scratch a record in that the platter "grabs" the record??

When u drop it in are u ahead or behind,I find w/ my m5g's I'm a lil ahead after using other decks... If that makes sense
sixxx 6:17 AM - 14 January, 2008
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I find w/ my m5g's I'm a lil ahead after using other decks... If that makes sense


That's exactly what I mean. I'm used to it by now and I adjust very quickly so it's not even noticeable... but I thought the torque on both tables were the same. 1.5kg/cm.
Jay-R Enguillado 7:17 AM - 14 January, 2008
i noticed that too. i had an old set of MK2's and MK3's. i'm lovin the M5G's.
djbriguy 7:44 PM - 14 January, 2008
Why do you guys like your M5G's so much beter than your MK2's?
sixxx 7:46 PM - 14 January, 2008
I honestly don't care if it's the MK2, 3, 5 or whatever. They all seem the same. Minor changes but it's essentially the same.


I got the M5G's cause I got a hell of a deal. 2 brand new m5G's and a brand new 57 for $1800.
shiestO! 7:51 PM - 14 January, 2008
if you ride the pitch like i do, you'll notice the pitch in the m5g's is seemingly more accurate than the mkII's.

if you "overslide" it and bring it back to speed the track up w/o touching the platter/spindle (know what i mean?)then the mkII's perform def. differently than the m5g's. learned this in a live setting. hehe.
DJ-A 8:03 PM - 14 January, 2008
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if you ride the pitch like i do, you'll notice the pitch in the m5g's is seemingly more accurate than the mkII's.

if you "overslide" it and bring it back to speed the track up w/o touching the platter/spindle (know what i mean?)then the mkII's perform def. differently than the m5g's. learned this in a live setting. hehe.


i've seen pitch on 2 identical tables be off from eachother.

IMO, i think the torque would only effect the start up, and have no idea how torque would effect anything while spinning other than with the pressure of your hand and keeping the platter spinning at speed
DJ Cykophuk 8:10 PM - 14 January, 2008
I recently sold my 1210MK2 for the MK5 model. This weekend, I was spinning with the guy that picked them up and discovered that I kinda miss the old decks. A buddy has the M5G's and has noticed that the increase in torque allows him to be significantly more drunk and still hit his mixes...better tossing from a scratch and whatnot.

I think each deck will have its own feel.
sixxx 8:12 PM - 14 January, 2008
Torque has an effect on scratching when dropping a song, as the turntable tends to catch up to original speed since it's slows down a bit when applying pressure to the platter *even with the slipmat*. So, it's not only when you start from dead stop.
djmoneyd425 3:02 AM - 15 January, 2008
every individual piece of equipment is gonna be somewhat different, but in my experience the pitch on the M5G's is far more accurate than any model before that I've played on. For example, if I'm on my M5Gs and spinning a track at 100 bpm and want to bump it to 101, all i have to do is move the pitch slider +1 whereas if I'm on someone else's MK2s, M3Ds, MK5s, etc I've got to move the pitch slider +2 to get the same result. I also find that drifting is almost completely non-existent on my M5Gs.
djmoneyd425 3:03 AM - 15 January, 2008
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I honestly don't care if it's the MK2, 3, 5 or whatever. They all seem the same. Minor changes but it's essentially the same.


I got the M5G's cause I got a hell of a deal. 2 brand new m5G's and a brand new 57 for $1800.


that's a crazy deal. someone must've needed money bad.
djmoneyd425 3:05 AM - 15 January, 2008
and yeah, i feel like if you're a quality DJ you should be able to spin on any model without bitching.
sixxx 3:06 AM - 15 January, 2008
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and yeah, i feel like if you're a quality DJ you should be able to spin on any model without bitching.


Yup.
gotchuckz 6:10 PM - 6 September, 2010
i was at guitar center and they had both the 1210 m5g and 1200 mk5 side by side. the platter on the m5g seems much heavier than the mk5. is that normal?
PrinceCharlz 3:43 AM - 10 July, 2011
i have no fucking clue what anyone is talking about. You leave the plater spinning and if you're scratching into your next record you give it a tiny push to get it up to speed. Torque should make no difference if you know how to dj. As long as the tables are speed-accurate who gives a shit?
sixxx 7:18 AM - 10 July, 2011
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i have no fucking clue what anyone is talking about.


Stop there. Move to the next thread.