this is a trap isn't it......

Why post it if we don't have 1.8?

Maybe they will give it to us for Halloween as a token of how much we help promote their product and help out the new guys. If they could rate customer service for websites. This would be the top one on the list.
I (HEART) SSL (no homo)

well some of you will be using other products to play them.... It's not a trap, just trying to drum up interest in video before it drops...

Anyone building a library of videos in preparation? Where do you get them? straight from labels?

Why would we build up a library if we don't know formats that will work?

Hmmm...it looks like someone does?

So this tells us that 1.8 won't be out at all. Since there are not a lot of SSL users interested in video. We need to hype it up guys, so that serato will be encouraged to finish up the 1.8. Which is the remains?----------

I have a sizable collection of mpg - rumor is that it's not going to work when it 1.8 drops..

i make my own videos...... I takes girl on girl pornos and put the music behind them and there is my video.... LOL, that fucking rules

I hear tale that MP4 is going to be usable. I've been ripping my years of Promo Only, my artists collections and other random high quality stuff to that format.

where do u get promo only videos..... I need a back stock of video, not many songs have video thou, so what do u do if there aint no video for that particular song

maybe this is a hint that its coming soon, so get ready.

Josh, the only place i know is Promo Only.

the thing is people are ripping dvd's and what not but we don't know what formats will work.

-->Why would we build up a library if we don't know formats that will work?

so this time consuming process may be a waste of time. at least release a data sheet or minimum requirements guide.

Serato should come with ripping software. This is what they had on VDJ, you can rip it in three different format.

thats whats up. we need to know what formats.

for everyone else you can still build your libary. Just leave it as a vob...then u can orgaize your libary. Once you know what format is useable...then u take those files & convert them. Your not losing anytime doing it this way. @least this way your slowly building instead of all @once.

USA:
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www.thesourceformusic.com

www.screenplayvj.com

[link removed]

jonestm.com


US/UK/Europe:
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www.promoonly.com


Europe :
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www.mixmash.com


US/Canada:
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www.ergmusic.com

i have a freind who bought every video they had including older stuff from the 80's , cost him a few grand, then he suscribed to there list of video

i have about 3 gigs right now....and am gettign ready

I've been playing for 2,5 years now on Pioneer DVJ X-1, 2-3 timeas a week at a club, so I'm ready to go video on Serato!

I subscribe to a few of the providers "marx" listed, and do a lot of my own remixes (taking audio from Funkymix, x-mix and other remix records, editing the video so it sync).

Can't wait to try 1.8 and video plugin.

remember he said LEGAL places to get video's from.... like has already been said in other threads.. unless the site has gotten the RIGHTS to use a video in a mash-up video and also been given the rights to give it out (or sell it like on your site) then its not LEGAL

^^^^ BTW.. im not knocking what you are doing... I LIKE the idea... but thids thread is about LEGAL places to get stuff... not places to gt ILLEGAL stuff poseing as legal stuff. I LIKE YOUR SITE... but if the mods allow this.. then the mods would have to allow us to talk about otehr illegal means of getting music and videos

Create your own.

play visuals with the audio

Warik from here at Serato mentioned this forum: vjforums.com

looks like there's a ton of content there if you're looking for general visuals.

lucidmovement.com has some cool highspeed camera stuff...

Europe:
www.videopool.com
I get this and the quality is good. There is no text like promo only, but they have a small translucent logo that shows throughout the video.

There's also my12inch.com & exclusivegrooves.com
But they come in MP4 format. This may or may not work with the video plugin.

www.7digital.com has a lot of videos for sale.

7digital is drm protected.....unless its changed

Not all are DRM, it depends on the label.

I am up to over a terabyte of video....been ripping and titling it seems liek forever....

I have been contacting my record label connects for the past years, getting DVD's of their latest (and old) releases. I dont spin video yet, but I want to be prepared for it if I should take the plunge.

I did the a similar thing with Serato. By the time I purchased it about 4 months ago, I already had a sizable organized collection of MP3s. Ive been familiar with, and using the mp3 format since 1999/2000.

I have been contacting my record label connects for the past year, getting DVD's of their latest (and old) releases. I dont spin video yet, but I want to be prepared for it if I should take the plunge.

I did the a similar thing with Serato. By the time I purchased it about 4 months ago, I already had a sizable organized collection of MP3s. Ive been familiar with, and using the mp3 format since 1999/2000.

See, i dont think im going to do that - rip hundreds and hundreds of DVDs. Its already time consuming tagging, renaming, and adding artwork to MP3s. Then the storage space Id have to buy and maintain, is ridiculous. Id get a intern / student to do it.

For now, id rather just save up for a CDJ DVD Turntable

We use Promo Only, Rock America, ilovevideo.com, as well as some forums and blogs for exclusive promo content. We run 2 macs, 1 with Serato for audio while we play ambient video & logos and 1 with Numark Cue/NuVJ for the music videos. We run everything into a Rane MP2016 Rotary Mixer which give us plenty of channels. We use imovie and Final Cut to do mash-up video edits for our own remixes. We have the ability to convert to any file type once Serato announces the compatibility type.

I wouldnt suggest just playing any old video. If you're going to use 1.8 when it comes out, make sure you use DVD quality videos. Dont embarass yourself by playing low quality YouTube promo videos thinking you look cool. I have a feeling once 1.8 comes out, this is going to be the big problem, because of the fact that video is so easy to get these days.

PS....Having Promo Only right down the street from our studio helps a lot too. I love living in Florida.

PSS...There are tons of illegal places out there to get quality video too, so just spend time looking around and you can find just about anything.

In the spirit of Serato, creativity is the goal. Don't just playing boring contect. Remix the audio, then format your video over it. We don't want to all be playing the same thing now do we.

itunes isn't a bad choice either. once you purchase you can rip them into mpeg4 with tunebite.

u know ur taking a mp4 & converting it again. it can't look pretty on a plasma.

Think of it like this...its the same as if you were playing a 64-80k mp3. some of you might be okay with that....but I have never player a 64-80k mp3 while I was djing.

I get my videos mostly from promo only, but I got a LOT of rock, 80s, and complete artist collections from amazon.com, Best Buy, etc too. A lot of these collections don't seem to be covered by promo only, like Prince, Madonna, Guns and Roses, George Michael, Mariah, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, Tribe Called Quest, Nas, G-Unit, Death Row, etc.

I have a little under 2,000 videos now. These are all hand picked singles, not entire DVD dumps.

NICE. as much as i want a collection of the new videos, i would like to build old school video collection.

221 GB from promo only. all in mpeg1 & 2 formats crappy i know.

I Have tons of video from sources but I use serato box with virtual vinyl if the club has monitors and just connect to the s-audio hookup which links all the sceens,I did a club friday and played cupid shuffle and had the video on showing how to do it for those that didnt,then I had to play it again once they learned it.but it comes in handy time from time.also I would prefer to use serato with serato video in stead of mix and match

how do you like using virtual? i just got it myself but can't use it for video because i sold my sl1 and only have the 57. i just with the video microwave style. lol.

its cool but I would prefer useing it with virtual and not serato cuz other dj's be like serato has video and im like no im useing the box and not the vinyl box but I have the 57malso but take the box as a backup.

Another... www.ilovevideo.com

I have tried re-encoding the m4v files, but i think they are DRM formats. I could not convert it into another format. How do you do this?

tunebite....but u lose quality

Thanx Marx

another thing i realized about itunes videos is that there audio bitrate is 128kps or less. not worth getting it for that reason alone. what bitrate is promo only's audio?

they vary....but all the new ones are good.

pcm audio its not a mp3

48Khz 16bit PCM encoded audio, a little better than CD quality which is 44.1Khz 16bit PCM encoded audio. this basically means full quality, no compression.

cool.

The club i have a residency at decided to go video, i dont know if i really like it to much, i run off VDJ while useing my serato box for my dennon 3500's, i havnt got vynal to work sadly(you also have to use the vdj timecode). video is nice but, in my opinion it cuts down what i can play, many new songs and hot songs do not have videos. ive been doing video on the club scence for about 2 mounths now and the people on the dance floor really dont care, its just nice for the wall flowers, but it makes my life harder and i feel i can spin a much better show without video. Just a little hands on experience i hope the new serato video is better, and they start making more videos for dance music.

you should install the clip bank....u can set it up so if u play a audio file it will play a visual. this way u don't have to do all video. unless thats what ur club wants...but like u said theres alot of songs that don't have video.

I'm resident in a club where we play video since 2 years back. "DJ Drake" what you say about limit what you can play is true, but in my club people like looking at the videoscreens even on the floor (copying the dance moves...)

I do lot of my own video remixes (use sound fron funkymix, x.mix 9-inch and more) sure it's a lot of work but mush for fun to play.

For now we have Pioner DVJ-X1, but I'm waiting to try out the videoplugin for Serato.

There are two major LEGAL music video carriers. Promo Only and ERG Music carry all different genres. All major record labels promote their videos to those two. I personally recommend Promo Only over ERG Music for the quality of the sound/video and video selection. I have alittle over 4,500 videos (that's def. underestimating) since I started collecting them about a year ago.

Just filled 1 and a half Hitachi terabyte drives with Promo Only videos....love em!

did you just join promom only? what genres did you get? i have most of there old school videos. 80's, 90's and some 03-04' stuff. great quality.

Is it illgeal to share ya videos from promo only with other people..... I haven't joined yet but i see they have alot of videos. I think since i work for a label i should reach out to other labels and get the videos from them

good idea. then share them with us. j/k.

can i choose exactly which videos i want if i subscribe to promo only? or is it more like you get what you get in your certain genre?

it is a subscription to their DVD's or cd's... you get what ever they are sending that month

you can choose a genre, but you'll be locked in that genre.

From what I've seen ERG has the Genre thing on Lock (Except Rock) PRomo Only seems to be Only URBAN & Dance (Top 40 based) I don't know about Quality
Too bad we can't share stuff Cus As A DJ i've already bought the 12"s Cd & LP's Why should we have to pay again just to play the Video when everyone else gets it for free on YouTube??

I think that Serato should set up some kinda Place we can get what we need in a format that they think will work the best for there SSL. That would make the most sence. I'd pay for that for sure LIke a one time Back catoluge & a subscription to stay on top there after with emails or something telling us when something hot is avalable. For the Subscription stuff thats out now its only once a month so it half way thought the month people want to see new Stuff you don't have it yet
But what ever
Subcription to third part it is.

Whitelabel.net for video, now that's an idea!

Yea but they also paid for the production of their music videos

so in your terms.... why should a club pay you when they can just put on a radio station and have music for free?

and i mean the clubs already pay their licensing fees to play the music to begin with.. and they paid for the sound system... so why do the clubs need to pay someone to play the music they have already paid fees to be able to use when they can use other ways to play the music for free... or put in a juke box and make money off the music that gets played?

Because the radio station cant read the dancefloor? and its better to have somewhere there than not? Its like how sound techs get paid like 500$ a night just to sit around and make sure the PA system doesnt blow up

no offense but thats pretty dumb...

What Im trying to say is the song and the video are 2 different royalties are they not?

im agreeing with you 100%... im talking to the original poster who posted that. Yeah the radio cant read the dance floor (but neither can most DJ's around here for that matter) but THATS what the CLUB dj's are getting paid to do, so apply that to the original post, yeah you already have the music as audio, BUT the audio production cost are one thing, they have to spend alot more to produce the vid for the song on top of what was already spent on the audio production.... thats what the video producers are paid to do.. make a video, Thats why we pay extra to get the video of the songs just like the clubs pay extra to have a live dj to play to the crowd eventhough they already paid fees to be allowed to play the music.

oh sorry bro

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, and I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but Promo Only has a great music video DVD service for DJz. They also have back catalogs in stock, so I'm sure it would be pretty easy to compile all the music videos you want, just order the DVD's from Promo Only, rip them to a big hard drive, and work a few ctrl-f searches in SSL and ctrl-r ctrl-x ctrl-v them into some new folders for your hand picked videos.

FYI ... For those of you that are starting their video collection and dont want to spend all the time it takes to rip from DVD, ScreenPlay Offers all their series in mpeg2 format as well as DVD. Give Doug Howard a call over there if you have any questions with how they are ripped. www.screenplayvj.com

i didnt see prices anywhere... do you know what the $$$ is?

its about $30 a month per subscription

do you know enough to compare it to promo only or ERG?

any subscription you get for videos is going to be about the same price($30). Someone needs to start a video pool that gives you a choice to buy invidual videos or monthly subscription that's a little cheaper.

i was looking a cinemanow.com but there is no info on the quality... :(


does anyone know the quality of videos from itunes????

they look good. but all these video companys serve THE music video which sometimes have sound efffects & movie clips/ skits in the middle.

pools will change the game soon enough.


itunes videos are crap...they might look okay on a tv...but it will look like shit when u put it on a projector. don't waste your time. think of itunes videos as the same thing as playing a 80k mp3 in the club. exactly. u don't want to waste your time.

iTunes videos are some of the higher quality videos available. I'm doing contract work for them now at a post house, and I can tell you their specs are very strict. All of their content is full NTSC square pixel res (horizontal resolution is always 640, vertical depends on the clip's aspect ratio.) They also use some of the best masters avaiable. While Promo Only runs their encodes off a lot of poor BetaSP dubs, iTunes almost always requests the more expensive Digibeta.

The only problem with iTunes thought is the DRM... Can't really play the videos in anything other than iTunes/iPod/iPhone/AppleTV... But as far as just background non beatmatched sets go, iTunes is one of the best sources. And they get their stuff up a LOT earlier than Promo Only does. Even with PO's weekly Express Video service.

but likeyou said.... they are DRM'ed.... meaning not usable in SSVL when it comes out......

I'll just wait until the Serato Team Drops a legit Quality info on this Video madness coz I'm all confused.

the problem with itunes isn't quality of video but the quality of sound. they rip sound at 128kps or less.

128k AAC, that is. which sounds like 160 to 192k mp3. depending on the song, of course.

*moved to VIDEO-SL discussion*

some great info guys, keep it coming :-)

I have been prepping my library since 2000 around 2003 I began with MPEG1 at 320x240, in 2005 moved to MPEG2 640x480, for awhile I was trying to get specific codec questions from the beta team that went unanswered until now. Had I known that it would support MPPEG4 I would have began dual encoding formats for the preparation. My current propiertary process takes about 10 hours from start to finish for a single PromoOnly Hot Video DVD. Including ripping, encoding, tagging, labeling and backing up for MegaSeg (a mac DJ automation product).

Since Scratch is still having issues with the AAC BPM field I am curious how they will develop other tags. I wanted to have something in place that would be easily readable by Scratch but now that is not posible.

I have been told that Serato is working on their own video download service [feel free to delete this if it is still confidential at this point].

ScreenPlay has offered digital video content for quite sometime now, I dropped around $2K with them when they first hit and have had some issues in the past that to this point have never been resolved. I would like to sell off my master collection of them at this point but I think there is a licensing issue. They may have improved their quality control from when I received them. (I'll probably receive a nasty-gram after this post). They're good guys but music videos are not their core business. They produce the videos you see at places like Blockbuster, Footlocker, etc. The DVDs on the other hand are awesome. I have been trying to switch out my digital content for DVDs for awhile now with no luck.

Both PromoOnly and ScreenPlay are the top dogs in the video business. Companies like Rockola, VMS Media, etc pop up here and there but go away for lack of sales or legal issues. Hell I have DVDs and VHS tapes from companies like ETV & Wolfram video. I'd be impressed if anyone even remembers those companies. They were merged/purchased by PromoOnly and some ex-staff works for ScreenPlay.

FYI the video content from TM Century and ERG is all ScreenPlay.

Another think to remember is nearly all of your subscriber agreements (Promo Only, ScreenPlay, ERG, Jones TM) state that you do not OWN the content, they're granting you a license and can technically revoke it at any time.

I have ETV DVDs as well Lique

what exactly is etv?

i've seen some around before.

i have a couple etv videos, most of them were edm videos.

but who do they come from? any websites dvds?

did some google:

club.promoonly.com

etv was like promo only. then they merged.

ITUNES video they suck....dont waste ur money...I was actually thing about opening a video pool....but it takes alots of work...Im working with the webdesigner and my attorney to make it official sooo keep update...Just wondering how manny people do you think will be willing to participate....ball figure..

wow. no joke i've seen 4 dj video pools pop up already. this is crazy.

I'm interested, as long as you have the original version with 32 beat intro.

Im gonna have the Originals...Im might have it in 2 different formats...WMV and MPG-4....I have the final word by wednesday next week....

Marx what are the 4 video pools you've seen pop up?

steel i'll get banned if i post that.

i'm going to be calling you tomorrow or sat anyway. we'll talk then.

can i get a number 40?

It was 20 bro! you can't post Pools? why not. Isn't that a legal way of obtaining content? I'm confused.

b/c alot of the pools are not legal pools. Remember VJing with music vids is still fairly new to music the scene. and it takes an ACT of GOD to get the music companies to realize new things and the needs of the DJ's to help promote them. (just look on how long it taking them to move things over to the online, digital way to selling music). So right now you wont find many LEGAL Video pools for DJ's to use b/c there is no HIGH demand for the music companies to sell music vids, so why promote music vids using DJ's like they use DJ to promote the audio songs (wich is what regular record pools are for)

its very hard and expensive to get the release signature (Music Videos)...I have this connection over at MTV thats how i get my videos....here is the trick...Croklyn clan...they sell rmx song but when u sign up with them they say the payment u doing is a donation....that how they get away...Now my attorney told me there is a way for me to put up the website with music videos and start up with out any complications....like I said i should have something solid by wednesday night....ATTN I NEED TO COLLECT AS MANNY EMAILS AS POSIBLE..thank u guys Happy Holidays

i heard that remixing without permission of the owner of the song is illegal

yep

so with that said... croklyn clan is also illegal.... all these laws get confusing... turns the mentality to, what can i do and not get in trouble for

that is false... its still illegal unless you get permission from the record labels to do it. And its NOT a donation ifyou HAVE to pay it to get the tracks, its till selling no matter how you word it, a donation is volintary not mandatory, someone said befor that not true though b/c of the raffel tickets things. But if you ever do but some tickets like that, they are still SELLING THEM, they just donate the money to a non-profit charity after that.

Yeah that donation thing would actually work if you were allowed to download the track without having to pay, but thats not possible.

For PRACTICE RUNS i get everything from YouTube or another site and Tube Sock the vids!!! I can play and practice with dem..ITS FREE AND EASY and I can Find almost anything I need... I Would never Play YouTube vids in a Club, I use regular DVD'S but at a Private HOME party ... Perhaps :)

they said LEGAL places to get MV, getting them off you tube is NOT legal!

Still don't have VSL working but when I do, will I be able to record my mix video set as I am able to record a mix audio session. Can I mix two videos on VSL and record it then look it up and play that mixed video?

I'm shocked and offended that people are on this forum talking about how they steal content on Christmas Eve!

>djsteel. I never liked DJ that download mp3 (even cracked software) and play at clubs or other events. In some cases you can here that it's downloded (like 128k MP3) but with video it's more ovius.

At the club I'm recident we have running video for 3 years now, and a few DJ's wanna play here and saying they have video, but turns out it's recoded from TV, with channel logo and bad sound.

Here is a "great" example on how not to do, look at 10 sec inot the video (promo for some DJ company) look at top right of the videoscreen, seen that logo before... Watchwww.youtube.com

lol... I feel you on that.

I sent him a message.

Hey Dj Steel, can you please answer my question if u can about mixing the video on 57 can I record that video mix and replay that later. thanks. As far as cats with videos with logos, I've been buying wax since 1980. I'm old school and there's just STILL alot of bitters out there.LOL......

*eye357, you can't record video with the Serato video plugin. You would need to split your video output with a distribution amp and run one of the outputs to a video recorder of some sort. Then you could use a program to encode it to run on Serato.

I use a separate computer with a thing called a Dazzle.

I commented on his youtube not to charge clients if he is gonna steal the music...too funny

Where can I get Dazzle djsteel, yo steel how can I get at you, I need some advice on some specs.....let me know...help a nig.a out!

They were merged with Promo Only, their most famous product was called the Platinum Series, a 40 CD collection for wedding DJs. They faced a $500,000.00 fine for the product and all copies in the market were Grandfathered in (I'm lucky to own several original sets).

www.riaa.com

There are some ETV DVDs here and there on eBay, but technically any video content you get off ebay and not from the original licensor (i.e. ETV or Promo) is breaking the subscriber agreements (kind of a grey zone). Besides you never know if the guy on eBay is selling a crappy, compressed copy.

Promo Only and Screen Play are legit and the only DIGITAL source for legit videos (as of writing this) is ScreenPlay, but they are still delivered on DVD-R. No one can legally offer digital video downloads yet (except Apple, but DRM makes them un-useable, plus the iTunes EULA says no professional use).

There are things coming. These guys starting their "video pool" websites are going to have some fun in court. I love the "I don't charge, its a donation" defense. Next time your buddy gets busted for selling weed have him tell the cop, "But officer, I wasn't charging for the weed, I was just taking a donation!"

I would hire a new attorney, one that specializes in copyright law. Where is your master content from, directly from the label? or off of a DVD from a source like Promo Only/ScreenPlay?

Bravo. Steel loved the fact that you pimped Promo Only first off. I would have lost total respect it it started with "alright I got this track hot off of youtube". ;) Just curious how you would take it if someone in your area was promoting the fact they did video and they had no legit content since you are spending $100/mo on Express?

I don't even do Express, (but would love to except it would cause me duplicated releases). I'm currently doing Hot Video, Club Video, Urban Video, Country Video, Pop-Mix Video, and Hot Video Classics.

Nice video demo by the way on YouTube, answered a bunch of my questions. So for the next hair style, ya gotta do the Serato Logo on the sides. ;)

Damn I finally got the effect to work in the middle screen of VSL with the fader but still only white screens....I truly hope these are only bugs and not me. I hate windows xp...................

Hey eye357 Pm me bro. I'll help you with whatever I can.

I'm not gonna lie Steel My specs are
Hp pavilion dv1000 Intel Celeron
Processor 1.50 Ghz
504 MB ram
OS XP
I know thats not the required specs to run VSL but hey you on the demo on youtube
proves you gots to try. I mean the Sl program runs perfect and fast. I install the
demo VSL and everything comes up but I only get audio. the video effects work with my 57 fader but still just white screens. And I'm gonna sound real stupid right now
Steel..what does PM mean. yeah i'm a new to computers. F... it bring 8 tracks back. help me though..Peace.

those specs won't cut it for sure brotha, you're gonna need a new/newer pc.

LOL...well for now they run SL great damn, I thought I could get away with it for VSL...can't hate me for trying though!

D-TWIZZLE what would you suggest for a low budget Dj like me. I mean I really do this for me. I'm not really in clubs do gigs sometimes. I just really like to spin, ya know. I'm gonna get a mac. o you think what djsteel ran in his youtube video good enough and simple.

whats up man! A PM means Private Message. Hit me up privately man. Yeah you need a better computer. Go for a PC core Duo with at least a 2 ghz processor speed 2 gb ram and try for 256 mb dedicated video ram. I've seen em on craigslist for under $500.00

That's what's up Steel. thanks for the info.....

Hell yeah none of us are rich! My bad I take that back if AM is looking at this then yeah one of us is. lol Most of aren't rich so a budget is important bro. If you have troubles finding something let me know I'll look on Ebay for you.

There are things coming. These guys starting their "video pool" websites are going to have some fun in court. I love the "I don't charge, its a donation" defense. Next time your buddy gets busted for selling weed have him tell the cop, "But officer, I wasn't charging for the weed, I was just taking a donation!"

Well yeah ... thats why I need to do research before...tell me how croklynclan gets away with their stuff....I bet u no body in this Forum Knows why.....!!!

Well yeah ... thats why I need to do research before...tell me how croklynclan gets away with their stuff....I bet u no body in this Forum Knows why.....!!!

I do. If you notice something about there site recently it's changed a bit in how you access it. I know why that happened too. DJmelny how do you know the video pool isn't legal? There are already a few that are very much legal, why do you automatically assume that it's illegal? I love promo only but I know how to get all the same videos for free legally as well. So do a lot of other. If you contact the group I'm talking about to form a pool for a group of working dj's like Bumsquad or Core. Don't you think that the labels like that? we are all working together here bro, Labels don't want to charge DJ's that get their music out there, They would rather give you everything you need to promote their product which includes video. Seriously bro it's not all doom and gloom, honestly DJ's getting free content is the last thing on anyones mind first they will bust college kids, Bars. Clubs, and pretty much everyone but us. I can think of only one example of a DJ getting popped for this. That dude was making serious cash off the mix tapes though. They want to give you their product so you play it and others buy it. That doesn't make it ok to Steal content but it does bring up this question.

What is the quickest easiest way to obtain legal content. Right now theres not one definite answer to that question but all the best ways have been posted here. I've seen em. So anyone wanting to do it the right way has the knowledge to do so. Others no matter what we say will do it wrong and a ton of them will never get caught. Most probably will never get caught. I know I will sleep better at night knowing thats not me and that I have everything I need to do my job right, right at the tip of my fingers.

It all comes down to the question of how serious are about your career. How you answer that question determines what category you fit in. See me I'm planning on being one of the godfathers of video mixing that will form the style and set a standard of professionalism. I plan on being one of the best there ever was. I dedicated my life, ever waking second to being better then every other Video DJ I see. To come to my shows with something more entertaining, higher energy, better produced, better executed, and delivered with such a style that any other video Dj seeing it will be like, Oh shit thats gotta be Steel. I want most Video DJ's to be like: Wow I wish I could do that, and I want a couple to think I can do that. This is where I put myself. Its up to you where you see yourself.
When all is said and done where we get our content will be a very small part in determining how big we each become at this, but i know one thing I'll be the first to tell a club owner that a DJ will get his bar shut down if I know that guy has stolen content, trust me I know what to look for. So it up to everyone individually to figure out where they want to be when guys like me come around to take all the good jobs. Lol

hey thanks for the info....but Iam not trying to get rich over this Im trying to help Vj out there thats all...Trying to make it easy for them i sold my company to GooGle 3 years ago...I know about copyrights and all that bS!@#....Im trying to look at the big picture...buy a video that you want for a fair price.....not a dvd for $30 and only used 10 videos even less thats all.....SOOOOO I WANT ALL THE FEEDBACK I CAN GET FROM YOU GUYS THANKS U

Me too man if I didn't care about trying to make us all better as a community then I'd keep everything I've learned to myself.

Steel, We need to get together and get it poppin! I need to hang around more VJs that have big visions and want to do big things like me. Holla if you ever come up to Seattle, we can do a video show together at one of my spots.

IT's a wild topic and steel I think this forum just had a moment with your speech there..lol. but I feel you, it's cool to know djs (like you) are out willing to help out other djs and guide them in the right direction. But if you and D_twizzle plan something let me know, I'll help out any way I can. I'm here on the eastcoast
north new jersey...Soprano land heh-heh. Peace. oh yeah, anyone with a macbook pro for sale holla at me....a cheap one though!

i have a pretty good laptop(pc) that's powerful enough(2.0ghz, 2gb ram, 100gb hard drive) but i think i'm gonna get a macbook pro for the graphics. i just want it to run as smooth as possible.

Exactly what i've been saying for the longest. This is the reality

haven't tried the videosl yet. no ttm57sl (cry). but i have a toshiba tecra m5. it's a 2.0 ghz centrino duo with 2gb of ram. the video card is an nvidia quadro nvs 110m.

total available graphics memory: 895 MB
dedicated video memory: 128 MB
Shared system memory: 767 MB
bus: PCI Express x16

gut feeling, do you think it has the specs for video (full effects)?

eye357 Thanks bro I'm down to DJ on the East Coast! Hell Yeah! I'll PM you and keep if off the books. I'll keep my management company out of this one. They like to jack up the fees.

That should do it!

Here's my biggest gripe with Promo Only, it's not the money (I've been a video subscriber since '02) but the watermark. I don't want the screen credits showing up while I'm mixing. And Steel, you and I have similar visions. Do something big, and do it RIGHT.

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the watermarks, but it server a purpose for you. It proves that you got that video in a legal way, as long as you have the dvds with you, your good.

I have been know to remove the waternarks though.

Myself being new to video editing I've got to ask, is this an easy task?

Good read...

This is also reality:


Haha :)

Yeah editing is pretty easy man.

I just bought a copy of Final Cut Express... I think I need to buy one of those tutoring DVDs.

Nah its pretty easy.

exclusivegrooves record pool also offers videos for VDJs:

www.exclusivegrooves.com

-ben

With websites that are distributing music or videos, the "donations" line tells us that they don't have legal permission to distribute the music or videos. But keep in mind also that even if they weren't charging any money at all, they would still be distributing the music or videos illegally. Taking money puts them at risk of greater punishment if anyone takes action against them, but without taking money they are still committing a crime, and so are you if you receive copyrighted material from them. Although of course the lawyers would go after the distributors well before they'd go after the people receiving.

The law is crazy. If you read the law, it is against the law to BUY a cd then record a copy to give to your friend for free. that's illegal. why, they want to get paid,,,no other reason. it's a real gray area. they pick and choose the violators. hey, fly low and under the radar. but once you start selling, posting on youtube, doing big clubs, hey you put that bullseye on yourself. wasn't it dj kid capri that got smash back when he was pushing mad mixed tapes. once he got big he got smashed.

New video on youtube. Watchwww.youtube.com Check it out.

i like!

eye357, that's not crazy, that's sensible. If you sell something to someone you don't sell them the right to give it away free to everyone else. Anyone else that wants it should have to buy it too. Otherwise you would sell one copy and that copy would get copied multiple times and end up in the hands of lots of people, but all you actually got paid for was *one* copy. If you were the one who made that music you'd be pissed off.

I understand that Matt but, you have a cassette tape or wax, and now you get a new car...guess what it's only a cd player. you mean to tell me i' can't burn the cassette tape to a cd so i can play it in my car!!! I paid for it now I have to pay for it again. Yeah that's what happen with the cd era..now mp3 era...how many times do i have to pay for the same exact product. thats my point. The law states i can not duplicate it even if it's for my own purpose and i bought. they got me twice...cassette to cd and mp3s. come on now. who doing who here.

its about the distubuting something you bought to someone who has not purchased it. you have no rights to distrubute anything unless you made the song yourself.

eye357, you said "record a copy to give to your friend for free". That's quite different from wanting to make a copy for yourself to use in a different player. The former is making a copy to give to someone else, which means a lost sale for the music producers. The latter is just you using the music you paid for, which I agree, we should be allowed to do.

The fair use laws for making personal copies for use in different players vary between countries, but many make exceptions for the scenario you're describing.

Matt I'm getting a macbook pro, but I realized I can't find the sl cd. I first installed it on windows now I'm gonna need it for a mac. I have the ttm57 mixer. what can i do to load the macbook? I just can't seem to find where I place the SL CD! help

You can download everything you need from here I believe:

www.scratchlive.net

I'm sure Serato would be fine with everyone buying ONE copy of Scratch then copying it for all their friends.... Oh thats right it requires a $500 hardware dongle to make it work. RIAA Dumb, Serato Smart. (just bustin' balls)

This is a long drawn out touchy subject. Technically you purchased an ANALOG recording on Vinyl and Tape you don't have rights to the Digital Version. Using the excuse, I own the record so I went on Kazaa and downloaded the song I already own doesn't hold water in the eyes of the law.



The fair use law pertains to PERSONAL use, not to anything you ever use in a business, club, etc. We pinned down an RIAA spokesperson (who was very cool) one time and grilled him on a bunch of stuff, He explained why it was TECHNICALLY illegal to do that they weren't going to go hunt you down. If you are using a "backup" and your buddy is using another "backup" thats when they get pissed. Or one DJ Company copying all the music to multiple systems. They wanted to ban MP3 encoding for awhile, they still don't like it.

The RIAA is very reasonable but if you do cross them they can smack you down, like the single mom ordered to pay $220,000 for 24 (TWENTY-FOUR!) songs. Link to article:

www.macworld.co.uk

Hey Guys here is the final word on the Video Pool Need 50K to Get everything start up thats paying the copyrights and everything..basically the label want like a down payment them a percentage....now I dont know if is worth putting 50K....soo At This point dont know...status !!!!Unknow!!!!

I would get somebody involve on this and make it as a corporation. 50K is a lot of money if your not sure if you wanna do it or not. For some peeps this will be a chance to invest on.

hmm. okaay. so what is that 10k a label? just really curious how u got these type of answers from all the major labels & pulishers over the holidays.

Handbreak is how I rip all of my videos. It is free to download. Very easy to use. It's for both Mac or pc.
You can choose what % you want to rip it & you have a few choices f format to choose from.

how do you choose the % in nhandbrake trying to figure that out only want certain chapters on a dvd.

its not 10k per label is basically a down payment and the a percentage....how do i get it!!!!! well if i tell you how i did it it willl be 6 months worth of work in a sentence.....dude u dont ask dj how they got their gig or their music u gotta do ur research....sometimes they give some hints here and there but....thats it.." its call networking"

ha i wasn't really asking how u did it. it was more of a sarcasm thing. not dissing u but whats wrong with sarcasm. b4...not 6 months ago you brought up this pool. then during the holidays u post details. if u can make a deal over the holidays your the man (no sarcasm). If it happended b4 & u posted after okay. but during its hard to believe. Of course its not going to be 10 thousand a label. yes i typed that but it was more of a like wtf comment. So u say 50 grand to start...but the problem is you don't pay one person 50 grand. thats just how the post sounded & thats what i was pointing out. The industry isn't @ that monopoly state yet. hopefully it will never come to that.

pay x amount of dollars for 1000 track a's from label/publisher, x amount of dollars for 1000 track b's from label/publisher. But doing it this way is very costly & the return income is not enough. Theres many other investments that can be made with much more return.

good luck to ya



i've been networking b4 the 2-way days mane ;) i'm no newbie.

But you see.... what you guys are talking about is a PAY-FOR service... and thats why the labels are wanting so much $. What need to start happening is a record pool like there are for audio songs, where its free and the labels are giving the video's out for free (yes on most you pay a monthly fee but thats to help pay for web space and bandwidth) THATS a record/video pool, if you have to pay per song then its NOT a record pool, its a store selling music and thats what the labels are going to make you pay all that money for... even ifyou ask for the "DONATION" per song (b/c its not realy a "DONATION" if you HAVE to pay it to get the song)

thats not what i'm talking about. & also melny was tallking about a pool aswell. if it was so easy everyone would do it. theres alot to it. but i'll tell u the wheels are turning ;)

I love how people talk about promo only like its legal,did anybody ever read there fine print??? There about as legal as limewire.... Promo only has been scamming djs for years. Music videos are promotional use only,thats why there made in the first place,when it comes down to it,theres no such thing as an illegal video download. Do your homework and read the fine print on both sides of the book,it all says the same shit....

Ohh and to talk about all the people talking about making copys of there music for personal or other use,- What pisses me off is that the riaa got there head so far up there ass with all this copyright bullshit that now THEY WANNA GET PEOPLE FOR MAKING COPYS FOR THEMSELVES. if you BUY a cd,the make an MP3 COPY ON YOUR PC,thats ILLEGAL...now thats bullshit. These people need to stop worrying about stupid shit like this and focus on whats really wrong with the music industry.

word.

my point of view is u can't think of yourself as a consumer. your wife, girlfriend, brother. YES they're a consumer. Not u as a dj. Different rules to go buy.

by

Its sad how they treat djs, these record companies. hell, it;s free advertisment for their artist. I remember back when I had to buy two records of every song so I could cut and mix it back and fourth. I guess they forgot about those days. And to top it off it was one dj who starting spinning two records to cause a new genre of music generating multi billion dollar in revenue. A nd they want to get me..for what... copying a song a bought from them. sad.

yep, The music industry is trying to blame all this one hit wonder bullshit on downloading.
There aren't any albums that you can jam every song any more. Everything is about looks first and talent second. I havent heard any group in a long time and thought these guys are gonna be around for awhile.

Rights of Copyright Holders
Copyright law establishes rights for both copyright holders and for purchasers of copyrighted works.

A copyright holder has five exclusive rights:

· Reproduction: The right to copy, duplicate, transcribe or imitate the work in a fixed form.

· Modification: The right to modify the work or create a new work based on an existing work.

· Distribution: The right to distribute copies of the work to the public by sale, lease, rental or loan.

· Public Performance: The right to recite, perform or play the work in a public place or transmit it to the public.

· Public Display: The right to show a copy of the work in a public place or transmit it to the public.

Anyone who violates any of these exclusive rights is considered an infringer and is subject to civil and criminal penalties.


OK, Modification would mean a remix an edit or changing the original file in any way.

Everyone on this forum is breaking the law! So why is breaking one part of the law different than another.

HEHEHEHE

man been saying this forever ;)

don't forget the djs that sell mixed cds, which is targeted for consumers.

but someone will come up with some shit like 2 wrongs don't make a right.

eye357, I totally agree with you about record companies. I'll try to find a great article about things that are wrong with the record industry. I'll keep you all posted... ;)

but i do know this for sure. Once you are the feds rader u will getting a visit. But also note the music companies are after those who mass produce their product or offer a large library to the public online. most djs don't sell massive amounts of mix cds if any; we just spin the music in clubs for our own use and that is a safe place.

lupe fiasco - the cool
cop it at best buy, wal-mart or wherever fine cd's are sold...

btw, fuck the riaa

hiphophits.net has music videos, 10 bucks a month unlimited tracks n vids

I smell a mod coming.....

mani "LEGAL places to get music videos" is the thread

I have never, ever heard of any dj getting busted for just playin tracks at a gig legal copies or other. I have all kinds of promos. i got from the radio station I work for. hell they make illegal copies all the time for their own use

some people are just crazy on this site. law is one thing. I guess you have to be heavily involved in the industry to understand.

I have seen a DJ get his whole collection taken untill he could prove that he had all the originals to each cd he had burned (he made back-up copies of all his originals and used them and kept the originals in a safe place) It took him forever to get them back and drop the fines they put on him b/c of all the BS red tape shit he had to go through. It does not happen often..... but it has happened.

its not being crazy.. its b/c Rane/Serato works with the record industry (whitelable.net nad in other ways) and if they allow people to talk about illegal music sharing and illegal places to get music then the record companies might pull there support and/or go after rane/serato for promoting illegal file sharing

i hear ya. but u can't speak for everones input. theres many many things said in the past & your like WTF is this clown. Just like anything else.

is it just me or does promo only videos look a little off on a big LCD? I just got my 1st dvd and it doesn't look as good has I was hoping.


What do you guys think?

its a SD signal over a hd projector or screen.

but not all the prom onlys are the best.

So what your saying is if your playing out with any videos besides vids from Screen Play its illegal?

Thats not correct there are a lot more then just those two.

By "Digital" do you mean downloads as opposed to supplied on media?

i found a great site www.bananapeel.co.uk mp3 and videos small charge monthy

Sorry, we are not accepting any new registrations until further notice.

Here you go try this...www.digirama.co.nz .....not a huge selection but its a start.

Dude that site could come in handy some day thanks man!

Does anyone know if using vids like this is legal?

www.amazon.com

nice. i wonder if it's all there videos and if it's divided by chapters? let us know if you get it.

Yes if you buy it its legal for you to play it.

Oh word, so you must own videos you play on DVD format. Good to know.

Just like Music and CD's

i get promo only videos they are at a great quality and jus say promo only for a few seconds they work great if anyone would like to trade videos let me know [email removed] is yur interested

Hey you probably should post that bro.

should not

DJ Ice 619, please do not organise illegal file trading on this site. Doing so will result in you being banned. Thanks.

That's what I meant Shouldn't

I wrote Franchise about having downloadable videos on their site, and they replied with the favorable response I was hoping for. Soon come.

"Franchise" ?? is that a video service?

Record Pool
www.franchiserecordpool.com

sorry I guess I should have explained that better.

I am already a member of Franchise, rather than joining another a service I enquired about their plans. I mentioned that the videos needed to be "Serato Friendly." They said they are coming real soon. I only pay $20 a month at this time.

hey, that is a f*cking bargain i just talked to them and they will be doing videos by next month. and it's not illegal cause flex is co signing this and i doubt if he would jeopardize his career for some illegal record pool. crazy. nice tip cowboy

I do have to say that Franchise has consistently improved every month since I joined. They respond to every email I have sent within a day and even answer their phone. I joined because they were one of the few that was getting serviced by the reggae and dancehall labels, and they have tripled their output of those genres since I joined. They also have added dance music, and last week posted some seriously classic dance tunes. The quality is not always perfect, but I am way more than pleased for $20 a month. They also have added preview players, sort by genre, acapellas, Ultimate Beats and Breaks, and those ultra rare Jay-Z black album acapellas (joke).

I just sent another email stressing the importance of VSL compatibility with specific references to this site. I am sure its all good though... because, you know....Flex and Serato can't be beat.

If any of you all join now, and care to say that DJ Dub Cowboy sent ya, I will be stoked with a discount. You will be stoked with more music than you know what to do with.

Bless

Word, I was thinking of joining next month when they start servicing video. I'll be sure to drop your name.

Thanks

Thats a good price how aggressive r they on video

To my knowledge Steel they are looking to start doing video next month via download.

cool

i also think that 8th wonder is looking into adding videos. there new website is coming out soon. they are $10 a month. i'm the price will go up.

I wish 8th Wonder will go ahead and launch the damn thing. Getting tired of the emails saying "almost done". Either shit or get off the pot. haha

Check out www.smashvidz.com

$47 monthly dues

mp4 format

most vids have 8bar intros n outros for e z mixing

tell em djFX303@comcast.net referred u

by the way they do call u n verify ur a workin dj/vj

ACtually people have reported that they have found files from dodgy sources in that pool. So... there are rumours that it is not as sqeaky clean as people thought.

you are probably right nik39 but as a consumer of their service we are not legally open for any type of charges, we would be victims, if they advertise an illegal service and come to us as clean and we pay for it, hey they suffer any consequences. you know what i mean. they deceived us.

true

If you're aware the tracks aren't legal then you can probably be done for receiving stolen goods, or the digital equivalent.

that makes sense

Exactly Matt G, if you are aware is the issue, in law it's ""KNowing". but if a famous commercial dj says get into my record pool you have to assume it is a legal source. Remember we are the deceived consumer.

Matt has a legitimate point here!!!

You can always play dumb. I'm still not certain whats legal and whats not. I'm a member of smash and mods recently removed a smash vids web link so I'm assuming Smash is illegal but I still haven't got a confirmation on that from a mod.

Demon, the last time I checked SmashVidz had all the hallmarks of a bootlegging site. This time I look there's still some of the give aways that say it's not legit (things like the wording of the initial disclaimer), but they do also suggest they're getting their videos direct from the labels, which gives them more an air of credibility.

Although even if they are getting the vids from the labels, that still doesn't necessarily make them legal. Some of the labels describe the process that most record pools go through to get music from them as setup by "rogue employees" within the labels. It's a bit of a grey area.

I'd say do your due diligence and make your own call based on the facts you can find. If you're personally convinced, then that's a defence.

Gotcha, thanks for the info.

how is it any more legal to buy a dvd and then encode it for public playing than it is to rent or borrow a dvd an use it for public playing? aren't both illegal? don't all dvd's have the famous fbi warning on them?

Good question. Someone told me if you own the actual DVD its all gravy, but if you netflix the movie rip and play then it's illegal.

its all here say. even if u own the dvd .....what are u gonna do go home & get it to show them? Or are u going to carry around your libary so it can be up for grabs?

I guarantee you both the DVD you've bought from a shop and the DVD you get from Netflix both come with a license that says you're not allowed to use it for public performance. Which of course sucks, and is one of those things I don't think most people care to respect.

If you get the DVD from a service designed specifically for legally providing material for public performance though (eg Promo Only, Screenplay, etc) then you'll no doubt be getting a license that allows for public performance.

what about custom edits from those sources like promo only?
the version they put out aren't exactly "dj-friendly"

You'd have to look into the terms of the Promo Only license, but I'm betting it doesn't allow for custom edits. That's usually the sort of thing that labels require you to ask specific permission for on a case by case basis. Although I could easily be wrong... I'm speculating at this point.

Well look at all the DJ's that do demo's and showcases for Promo Only. What are they playing right in front of the owners of the company? Look at my stuff. Look at Kris P., Roonie G. etc.

2nature...

... and they are sponsored by promo only

That's not true. We all pay full price for Express Video

even if you pay for it....



I pay for it too...

OK, i did some homework and here's what I found out:

"it is legal to play any song or video for an audience as long as you flash everyone's memory afterwards so they don't remember anything."

from the riaa website

^^^I hear you can do this with a Blue Screen Of Death on a PC.

Just try to use VSL on a PC and when it crashes, everybody that was looking at the screen will have their memory erased

Nice lol

that is soooo wrong..lol

Haha... =)

Tricky RIAA

Well exactly the same is written on every CD/vinyl you buy (except of course bootlegs and promo copies probably.

The club owner usuall pays additional fees so that he is allowed to play protected music, same goes for video. In Germany Mix Mash claims that by paying the GEMA fees (which is kind of ASCAP/BIEM stuff) you can play not only music but also video. I havent researched yet whether this is true and on which agreements they base it.

you also have an argument on what is public

What do you mean, DJ-A?

from the fbi wrnings...

unauthorized reproduction is illegal (this includes converting files to mp4 format)

unauthorized exhibition is also illegal

...but it doesn't say unauthorized by "who".....lol

I dealt with ASCAP at my last job. That most unorganized organization I have ever come across. I would like to see if they have ever enforced anything.

does anyone no if there is a company legally distributing videos in australia. because promo only and the other mob dont do australia?

YO, i was at a forum and someone tried to rip netflix videos but was unsuccessful, those are protected right or am i wrong????

some might be.. you need to use um a ....... "decryptor" of sorts.

WELL not me i was just laughing at the guy who did it. he thought for sure it would be easy....lol

it kinda is.... with the right tool. and I gave the hint.

Where can I buy some videos that are in the right container with the right codecs? I didnt think my last computer was good enough so I got a new MP and I just want some videos I dont have to convert! I have over 200 gigs of music videos and none of them will work.

awedamn, search for smashvidz and tell them d-twizzle sent you. they are backed by many music labels.

Oyea - whats that fastest way with the usb convertor thing for like $99, I cant find it?

Works fine for this one guy that I know from around the way.

D-Twizzle, until confirmed otherwise, my understanding is SmashVidz is not legally distributing any videos. All their videos are illegal. Please do not promote them here unless you can prove otherwise.

I just want the instruction book

El Gato.

yeah D-TWIZZLE stop that, now back to what i was saying i know a couple of good crack houses with great crack etc..., just kidding twizzle the world has gone mad. lol

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like this in the UK. The two licenses clubs have for music (PPL and PRS) don't cover video. As I understand it video is licensed on a case by case basis. If you want to show a film or video in public you have to purchase a special copy of the video that grants public performance rights. An example of this is the DVDs you rent from blockbuster, they have a different license to the ones you buy from Amazon that allows them to be rented and they cost around 10x as much.

Would there be a difference between a normal movie and a music video?

I thought in the UK you simply had to be licenced by VPL, that's what I was told by Promo Only when I started subscribing to their DVDs. The cost for mobile disco use is £200 per year.

Cool, I didn't know they existed.

I have loved video for the last 3 years cause It's like when I use to have to dig though crates for hours and days to find that one hot record and when I got it I didn't want anyone to even look at it. Video feels a lot like that but soon it's gonna be just like audio. :( Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.

I agree.

That is why I really don't share my exclusive content.

When I first moved to Vegas over a year ago doing video using VDJ with success... Almost EVERY DJ I met in this town was floored and wanted a "copy" of my hard drive and ... wanted me to teach them... ummm... didn't happen.. learn, collect, edit, and do your time like the rest of us... ash-holes!!

Same here. Just so far this week I already have been asked twice about my collection. Once from a corporate spot that is interested in paying big bucks.

The good thing is that as video becomes more popular and more accessible, more venues will open up. The bad thing is that every bullshit DJ is going to think they can do video and drive the price down by over saturating the market. I already lost a gig to someone who promised to do video at a 3rd of the price the I was charging them. Its been 3 weeks and they still can't figure it out.

That does suck but all you can do is make sure you're not giving shit away! It starts somewhere! After having to pay all this money I'm not helping anyone by giving them shit! I tell all the homies to buy videos from promo only. I know a lot of big name DJs who just give shit away and because there big. . . there getting all their shit from other big names. . . I'm not going to put any names up but you'd be wowed by some.

The good thing is that even if some DJs got a collection (would they know how to use it?)

Wow you're not even trying to help other DJs by teaching them. . . Now that's just wrong! I'll help any DJ with anything I can (other then giving them shit!) If fact I've done a lot for some of the DJs in Bakersfield for free even, just to help out! Never know when your going to need some help. . . But then I'm just a good guy like that! I even got a call once which made me lose like 180 dollars just cause I had to leave work early. . . where a DJ (I didn't even know his name and still don't) (but bet your ass he knows mine) needs some sound asap cause the gig started in 1.5 hrs. He was setting up but his sound didn't work. Had to take cables and two tops. Dumb moving buying used stuff on his part. . . but it happens.

[Outside, at the side of a barn]

(there is a large pile of shit on the ground)

Father Son, now that your going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that?

Navin Yeah.

Father That's shit. And this: shinola.

Navin Shit, shinola.

Father Son, you're going to be all right. Now what town are you going to try for first?

Navin Well I thought I'd try to go to St. Louis, because that is where that radio program was coming from.

(as they walk away, Navin walks through the shit)

I just got asked this question in my private message box but I think it needs to be said. I don't know about you guys but I see Screen Play ripping through my state putting night life music systems into every bar they can and marketing it as the replacement for the DJ. There are actually bars in Arizona (where I'm from) that only use this system. The chain of bars called Sandbar here only use Night Light and have eliminated the DJ all together. They have given a computer your job.

Now knowing that and having to choose between Promo Only or Screen Play which of the two is the right choice for he video DJ?

Yeah if you don't want to be replaced by a computer or ever have to compete with one DO NOT SUPORT SCREEN PLAY.
Promo Only is not going to come out with their own system to replace you.

isn't there an SSL product that will do the same thing? ITCH? or is it something different?

serato.com

Let me clarify. I have spent countless hours through the years mastering my craft with video programming in nightclubs (since '99). I have been doing video productions since I borrowed my brother's 8mm FILM camera doing timelapse, claymation, etc. since I was 12 years old. Teaching myself, experimenting, trial & error, researching, etc... and someone asks.."can you teach me everything you know?"... you know how many times I have had to play "tech support" for friends and sometimes new acquaintances I just met whom want to "pick my brain" on how to do something related to DJ-ing, audio/video productions, etc... I usually do a case by case basis and help out in the best way I can.

I you spent an enormous amount of time in school getting your phd. Would you just pass the diploma on to someone who asks "can you teach me all you learned in school, give me your diploma so I can find a good job like yours?" would you do it?

There is a fine line between helping a buddy out and someone trying to take advantage in order to get ahead. We live in an "instant gratification" society now and people want instant results when they "want" something. There are few people that actually earn it or put in the time to fully appreciate it.

Okay....

I've been watching this thread for awhile now, and I think it's time to set a few things straight. Particularly when an apparently uninformed individual slanders my manufacturer...

Firstly, both Promo and Screenplay (rather VJ-Pro) work very hard to acquire music video for all of DJ's in a timely manner and get it to you when you need it. Both of us also price our products so that they remain affordable.

Why anyone would want to bother ripping, stealing, taping, trading and overall breaking the rules when our two companies provide this to you, and compete so effectively to get it to you... is beyond me. But, some people I guess just like doing things the hard way.

So many misconceptions have been posted in this forum about labels, licensing, formatting, the law, fair and unfair use that to address them all would take hours. Suffice to say... call your legitimate supplier and ask your questions. We are the ones on the front lines and they would have the answers.

Call me directly... I am in 10 to 6 eastern... and my office number is 607 988 9866. Or ... Promo's is 407-331-3600. Try asking directly. Ask for demos. It doesn't hurt and we don't bite. We've both been doing this for awhile now, so we might be able to help.

Finally, djsteel... Screenplay is a large and multi-faceted company. The Nightlife systems that you refer to are from a separate division than the VJ-Pro series... many of you subscribe to (thanks!). Why, would I... who created the VJ-Pro series want to put VJ's "out of a job?" I'd have no business. That is NOT VJ-PRO's agenda and frankly you slander my product to insinuate it.

There are two things that you are apparently unaware of:

1) The Nightlife system comes with a DJ interface that allows a live DJ to manipulate the system via a Numark controller. If the club replaced you, it wasn't because of the machine. Particularly when you can MIX from it.

2) VJ-Pro is in fact separate division from Screenplay. Screenplay physically manufactures the product, but VJ-Pro has its OWN agenda thank you. A very large one which will become very apparent quite soon. It is all about VJ's. Always has been... always will be, with an emphasis on new media and new solutions.

3) ...actually there are three. To be fair here... Promo markets a digital music video delivery system called the Apollo. Provides similar features as the Nightlife remotely... no VJ required. And they have for quite awhile.

VJ-Pro, alone and apart, has supported lap-top VJ'ing since it began 5 years ago. We have always made available, via a somewhat onerous and licensing requirement on the VJ's part (sorry guys, has to be that way), pre-formatted MPEG's for half a decade. Thus our VJ's don't have to rip.

But that is only the beginning. ...trust me on that one.

So with all due respect to everyone here.... and yes you too djsteel, because at least you are passionate about what you do even if you're info is a little off.... this will be my only post on the matter. I appreciate your comments, suggestions, requests, and input.... but please direct any questions and such to myself or my worthy competitor directly. They will not be responded to in this forum. I will not post any further comments here in a manufacturer's forum as I despise spamming.

It is disrespectful to them.

So to be blunt... please don't "make crap up" when it comes to licensing and fair uses. You'll end up only kidding yourself and misleading others. My email is on my profile (or leave a PM), and I look forward to giving anyone who asks.. a STRAIGHT answer... as opposed to "something somebody heard from some guy who knows a guy who knows something about something really wrong and stuff like that."

Thanks to all of you for your support.

Regards,

Doug Howard
607 988 9866
info@lodestar-entertainment.com

Wow. . . I've seen nightlife and in fact it's not bad. If I were a club owner I think I would buy it. As a club owner I could save money by not paying a DJ. . . I have an offer to play at a club with it. . . I'm still thinking about it only because of what the owner said to me ("Wow that's a lot of money, you need to know I don't pay that well, All I need is a babysitter. The system can play it's self")

Now the Numark controller sucks! The system is cool but really can run it's self (VERY WELL) So with all do respect to you Doug Howard, I think DJ Steel is right!

But on the other hand if I owned a club (Which I may someday) I wouldn't mind having it. Just incase I don't like the way DJs are playing, need to cut cost or have a DJ not wanting to go by my list of music and so on. . .

DJs need to look at both side of the matter, owners want to make money and if you're not doing your job as a DJ then you can and should be replaced (This night life system is pace of mind for the owners) You got to respect that. . .

^^^^Both sides of the matter/peace of mind^^^^^^^^

+1

On Steels post:

iPods, Mix CD's, Video Mixing programs, ect...They all hurt our bottom line. Just like the microwave that will play for a third or less of your price. The thing about it is the bar owner/manager who is utilizing those tools during the prime moments of the night is the idiot. As professional DJ's and now VJ's (or whatever you want to call it) we provide a seemless, energetic, and exciting form of entertainment that can be altered and adjusted throughout the night. I mean I rarely play the whole track. Half of my sets are all exclusive or remixed edits. I know to change the tempo when need be or play this hotties request so her and her buddies will dance. I can't stand when I see a legit venue playing an iPod or one of those fucking video programs. I've DJ'd at 2 different spots that have the video mixing program. It got shut off at 10 when I started (audio only). What sucks is these auto mixing, low mixing tools are killing DJ's bottom lines because some managers have no idea about anything except $$$ coming in and $$$ going out (pay for us).

Like last weekend, I was checking out a new club down the street from my venue. Chris P is playing there I believe this weekend. I was there for maybe an hour and a half, the place was at capacity. I kid you not there was an iPod playing, gaps in between songs, volume levels off, horrible. This went on for an hour between to live music acts at 11:00p. Should have been a DJ there! I killed the party.

First off, Slander was brought up a couple of times. I've not slandered Screen Play in fact I know nothing about it's subscription services I also know nothing about the different divisions of the company and don't really care. What I do know is I work primarily on Mill Ave in Tempe AZ and I know all of the Club owners and Managers and they all have the same story as the one I have.

I know what I see and what I've seen. Almost every bar on Mill Ave in Tempe has Screen Play and Night Life. Most every bar in AZ has it. Fat Tuesdays on Mill Ave fired the DJ's every night they had after buying Night Life and I heard about this so I sat in on the pitch from the guy when he Pitched Margarita Rocks and mind you at that time the Numark controller was NOT available for the system and no one told us it would be available in the future. This guy went on and on about how it is better then a DJ because it doesn't get drunk and try to sleep with every girl in the bar. He went on about all the feature and great it was and at the time there were not Pitch bending capabilities at all so DJing with it at that time was out of the question. The sales mans entire pitch was about how it could replace me. Now i was not replaced actually after his whole pitch I told him I was the DJ there and he started sweating like a hooker in church and then told me that I could DJ with it and completely changed his story. I was not aware that a DJ could control Night Life but honestly what real DJ would ever think that was a good idea. I want to use my content! Back to the club that fired their DJ's after their sales went straight in the toilet they brought back the DJ's but the DJ's taxed them significantly.

What I said was just a story of my only experience with Screen Play and Night Life. I don't care if the companies are attached or not. What I know is the only place I've ever seen those videos is on that system that sits in all these clubs that all these friends of mine have horrible stories about. I know a club owner that paid $10,000.00 for the system and others got it for free. They basically charge what ever they can get out of the bar. That really sketchy, and to keep the system updated they send them DVDs and charge the club like $350.00 (This is what I've been told by several bar owners). Most likely the same subscription that you or I would pay less for.

This forum is here for us to share are experiences with each other and let others like us know what we do so they don't make the same mistakes we do. That is what I'm doing, if your upset that some customers don't like your product then maybe you should think about not having your own system that is competing with us. No real DJ will DJ with that system its not DJ friendly content plus any DJ willing to do that is exactly the type of I've been fight so hard to separate myself from. Just because you put a bouncer in a DJ booth with this system it doesn't make him a DJ. Real DJ's like the ones on this forum know better.

I have not slandered anyone or anything. I stand by what I know to be a fact that NIGHT LIFE is direct competition for the local DJ and none of them should support a Computer System trying to replace them. As for the part about you losing customers if Night Life did replace DJ's I think is ridiculous. This is what is happening, they are doing both. So maybe the truth is the company is a company and it's goal is to make money so they are trying to do it in both ways. By suppling to the DJ and trying to have the system out there too. That makes a lot more sense to me. Here's my last question that will prove my point beyond a shadow of a doubt. If night life is so Amazing for the DJ to use then who is the Famous DJ that is Demonstrating Night Life. All DJ products have guys like me who Demo them. Has anyone here ever seen a Well known DJ demonstrating Night Life at a Convention? Or Anywhere for that matter. Hell I can't even think one DJ that I've even seen DJ with Night Life not once. That's why I didn't know a DJ could use it. Cause they don't.

Doug Howard I'm sorry if what I said upset you enough to post on here but I'm clearly not misinformed I know what I'm talking about. There is no reason to say I'm slandering your product or say I'm misinformed because I'm the first DJ to tell others we shouldn't support something that's trying to put us out of business. My last question is for you who is reading this. Do you think if Night Life was a good enough program to actually get rid of all of us and Screen Play made all that cash do you think they would care? Even better don't think the people developing the program right now are trying to make it do just that?

I would love for Screen Play to be a good choice for the Video DJ so I would have more options competition only makes this better and I'm all for it. But if DJ's are competing with computers and they don't know it I think it's fair to tell em.

One more question. Do some research in your area guy and ask the bar owners where your from that have Night Life if they pitched it to replace us. I'm interested in what we come up with.

I'm actually remodeling a bar with a famous club consultant that does an insane amount of bars in the US and he suggested screen play to to the owners of the bar. After telling them how much cheaper and easier it is to do with ANY VIDEO Subscription and Virtual DJ i showed them the features and the cost and they were in shock how much better and cheaper it was. I've done the same thing for Tilted Kilts as well.


Weather the intent was to replace the DJ or not that is the way the salesman pitched it to me so if you don't intend on replacing us then the sales pitch first off needs to change and second you need to show us that. You need DJ's like us Demoing the product at Conventions and shows. If I was to have ever seen a DJ demoing the product anywhere! the website in a club at a convention or a show I might have just thought it was a salesman not knowing what he is talking about.

I'm now gong to make another of my Youtube videos with testimonies from club owners about the pitch the salesman gave them for Night Life hopefully I'll have it up very soon.

I can see where the night life product can be useful at a restaurant, a low key lounge, or even in the malls at trendy clothing stores... but for them to target nightclub/bar where DJ's spin is not a good idea unless it was used primarily for early night before the dj shows up.

The club I spin at here in Vegas I made a 4hour DVD mix they use before I show up. They open at 7pm during the week and the balcony bar of the club at 2pm on weekends. It loops and keeps playing until I show up to play at 10pm. I could easily build a VDJ automated machine to play videos instead... but they wouldn't pay for all that. Plus I know it wouldn't replace me anyways.

The Night Life product is probably a good product by design and technology but it would be a shame if their target market is nightclub/bars to effectively "replace" a live dj with using stereotype arguments as "getting drunk", etc...

Yeah I think its actually really reliable cause I've never heard anyone complain that it was broken. I've actually seen videos that I didn't know exist on it.

Hmmm...
progressive.totaleclips.com.edgesuite.net

hmmm.... is right

This guy went on and on about how it is better then a DJ because it doesn't get drunk and try to sleep with every girl in the bar.

how dare they say i get drunk never happens sleep w/girls of course. but steel i am out here in north jersey i have seen the similar setup not sure if it screenplay but the videos are not mixed in just thrown in with transitions similar to vdj. crazy but i see alot of clubs going for this. sad but true.

wow. there sure is alot of screenplay on that video. wow

10k in video. . . Shit I want it! Where can I get it? . . . lol The Club offering me the job only has a little over 9k in video. . . Someone is lying?

but in dougs defense.....it seems they just provide videos. but me have no clue.

i think for small bars that wouldn't have a dj anyway, its nice. i would use something like it if i had a bar (otsdj would be a cheaper alternative) but would i have it play for people in a night club. c'mon. no way.

Okay.... breaking my vow of silence, but this is really incorrect and misleading...

" I don't care if the companies are attached or not."

Well... you should.

" but I'm clearly not misinformed I know what I'm talking about."

Well... you don't. But marx however has it right.

Let me explain it to you once again. Screenplay does music video aggregation, licensing and distribution. Nightlife systems are made in Australia and it is a separate company, marketed by a completely separate division with a completely different agenda.

The videos you see are indeed licensed through Screenplay, hence the chyron and the confusion perhaps, but that is the only link.

Blaming Screenplay for Nightlife however is like saying it's the water's fault that your toilet is clogged.

Screenplay now provides music video on behalf of ALL of the labels of note (and many who aren't ) to a host of companies for clubs, web streaming, broadcast, in-store.... and yes, VJ's. Their clients include The New York TImes Network, Tribune Network, HP, Channel M, Akamai and my company Lodestar to name only a few. They are responsible for over 1 petabyte of web streams per quarter. Well over half of the film studios flash video you see on the web is cleared and generated from them. Nightlife is just one client... and not the largest by a long shot.

If you have a problem with Nightlife, then I have no argument with you, because it has nothing to do with VJ-Pro and VJ-Pro has a different agenda... but if you think you are hurting the box that "put you out of work" by blaming Screenplay and yelling for people not to support what has become the biggest music video licensing agency in the business, you are indeed misinformed.

By virtue of Screenplay's size this is the reason you see videos you have never seen elsewhere... you see videos in advance of anywhere else... and you see them in such a wide variety of formats.

I think where we are missing each other is that your beef is with Nightlife. Not VJ-Pro... which has supported digital DJ/VJ's since its creation..... when everyone else refused to deal with you. The labels used to look upon DJ's as something they refused to deal or supply to . Thanks to the efforts of products like VJ-Pro and Promo Only's video service... this has changed. It took a long time to legitimize independent DJ's in the eyes of the record labels. It sometimes is still an uphill battle... but it did change so you don't have to resort to taping from cable for your assets and having a show that looks less than perfect.

If you want to rail against something that has wronged you, no problem... just understand who you actually have an issue with.

It isn't VJ-Pro.

Thanks for your time... going back to work now.

Doug H.

Guilty by association.

hahaha

Hey.... whatever you say.

Meanwhile both Promo Only and Screenplay will continue to provide legitimate video to DJ/VJ's as comprehensively and quickly as possible.

Best to all,

DH

Hey.... if you say so.

Meanwhile both Promo Only and Screenplay will keep making sure that everyone gets their videos quickly and legitimately. Demon, be sure to let us know how those Amazon rips work out for you.

DH

This will quite possibly be the first thread started by a Mod that will be locked by a Mod........

locked? y?

this is a forum. people are going to have different opinions.

Seems like its gonna break out to a name calling frenzy any second ;-)


Hold on let me throw a log into the fire:

PCs Suck, buy a Mac

haha jk...keep the comments coming....

Great opinions on both side

thats funny.

where can i get illegal music videos from?

google

Nah.... this is just good debate. I'm done. If you don't get it... well.... whatever.

A guy by the name of Jimmy Bralower was a drummer in the 80s. Along came the drum machine. All the other drummers in NYC screamed and yelled and cursed the thing to no end. Jimmy bought one and mastered it. Jimmy is now one of the Sr. VPs at Sony/BMG Records. The other guys I think you see once and awhile on "Where Are They Now & Who Cares?" on VH-1.

Like I said.... you've got two very capable companies competing very hard to get you what you need at reasonable prices. Take advantage of it.

Best to you all.

DH

Doug, Holla at me next time you're in Seattle for the weekend. I know you come out here often. Hopefully you can check out one of my video mixshows.

On the real...if I had a bar, I would get this system. It seems like just a replacement for the common jukebox that most bars have but with video. From reading the brochure, it wouldn't be suitable substitution for a DJ a at dance club though IMO.
www.nightlife.com.au

How much is this system anyway? It must be up there if they are giving away a 32 HD LCD for free with the purchase of this system.
www.nightlife.com.au

I thank you for that invite.... I shall, I shall. Email me your contacts.

DH

videos are in mpeg-1 format.

That has to horrible on big screens.

Im really confused over the whole ordeal, I think if my club had purchased it, I would master it down anyways. I mastered down Virtual DJ and Serato, and both of those programs in the beginning were getting tons of hate.

Those applications are made for DJ's & marketed toward DJ's to operate them whom can take them into club's or mobile situations. Nightlife is a hardware/software product marketed toward club owners/managers whom can use it in place of live entertainment or just for all day play depending on hours of operation and type of venue.

I don't see Nightlife being marketed toward the dj market to get dj's to buy it to use for their digital dj solution.

So it shouldn't be too confusing if you really see the big picture with it.

basically a big dog has entered the scene and will more than likely grab the whole lounge club market. djs will still be needed but at venues were intersction with the music is needed. so it's important for vdj to have a collection of exclusive remixed and self edited videos and of course your talent spinning. you will have what others don't.

yeps

Exclusive remixes only help if the're good. . . lol And I hope you're not talking about mash ups!

Holy Cow! This video was Shot on MILL AVE! those are all the bars I work. Those are some of the Managers that told me it was pitched to replace the DJ! Lol Trip out! Except for Half moon in Tucson that was video footage of the same places I work. I will get video from all those same bars saying that Night Life was pitched as a DJ replacement. Two of those managers have been let go, but I'll get E4 and Tavern for sure and the New managers at the others.

Ok Doug is right I guess I do care if Screen Play and Night Life were different companies I guess you couldn't be mad at them but Being a division of the same company means .....IT'S THE SAME COMPANY. Lol So yeah I was right. Saying your a different division is like saying well my hand stabbed him why should my head go to jail? Lol

I think that Promo video they made themselves said it all. They interviewed the people the made the system for and even said you can show a manager how to do it in 10 or 20 minutes. Not one DJ was on shown on there and it never said that a DJ could use it.

Doug I don't know you and I'm not upset with you. But your company should either support Video DJ's or that system. If it try's to do both then don't expect us to get subscriptions. It's not personal its business.

WE SHOULD NOT SUPPORT A COMPANY TRYING TO PUT US OUT OF OUR JOBS. Plain and simple.

I think the video says it all.

Oh and Screen Play is in Seattle WA not Australia I think Doug is trying to purposely trying to miss inform us.

i don't really think it's an issue for us. i mean, there's satellite radio that people stream to bars, clubs and lounges already for years. a lot of it is mixed with no commercials, but that isn't replacing a regular audio dj. so having a system that plays music videos automatically is pratically the same thing. no worries here.

i made a dj robot that can mix & skratch...and it's talking to your bar owner right now!

he wears a tux and he has no scruples about playing the macarena or the electric slide.

the female version is chrome and gives dome on command how are u gonna compete?

"If you can punch three letters into a computer - then you can DJ".

Efffff you. You are not DJ'ing. You are microwaving. We're not scared. Bring it on.

Ok if Screen Play & Night Life are not competing with the VJ or DJ then I think this should be a fair way to prove that. Since the bars are now paying for the right to use the Screen Play videos shouldn't that mean they can use them with whatever system they want? So I say If Screen Play really isn't competing with VJ's you should make the entire collection of Music Videos on the night life system available to use with Serato Video to the bars that already have Screen Play. Doug from the Tavern Bar and Grill on Mill is about to buy an entire Video Library again to use with the 57 he just got his club. Why should he have to do that if you guys aren't competing with use?

That's my challenge to Doug from Screen Play make the Music Video Library's available to your users in any format they want. Especially MP4.

The other option is I just approach em and tell them how much cheaper it is to go with Virtual DJ for Day time play Serato for the DJ at night and 1 video subscription.

So what do you think Doug? Make the videos available to you customers to use with what ever system they choose.

Steel it's business not personal, I never asked who gave the orders to hit the djs because it's bad for business. Hey American compnaies have packed up and threw out thousands of workers for cheaper labor abroad, this is reality. The question is not what these companies are doing but what us djs must do to stay current, innovative and original with our video content. Steel don't waste your breath with these people just prepare for the future because the field of play is changing fast.

here's an even bigger giant to challenge... wal-mart

Steel....

Let me explain this one... more... time. Screenplay is the clearing house. Their job is simply to collect the videos and put them out to the label approved distributor clients. Nightlife is one client. VJ-Pro is another client. Nightlife has nothing to do with the VJ-Pro supply business. I could care less what Nightlife does and they I. Got it?

BUT.... that being said, I am SOOO glad you asked that question... or "challenge."

VJ-Pro has offered a huge library of its Classic series since day one. It covers the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and New Millennium of 60's Rock, 70's Rock, 80's Rock/Hair Bands, Disco, New Wave, Punk, Reggae, Country, Latin, Old Skool, New Skool, New Jack, Dance Essentials, House, Techno, Euro, B&D, Halloween, Christmas, Love Songs, VJ-Picks (top songs requested by VJ's who take the time to write to us)... we're working on a reel titled "The Worst Videos of All Time"... but we can't decide which makes up the top 10. Maybe you guys can help with some recommendations.

We've had this available in DVD and MPEG 1 and shortly later MPEG 2 since day one. Drag and drop. No ripping... no muss, no fuss. The user license is a pretty rough... but that's the way it has to be. As to MEPG4, I personally chose not to use it quite yet as it is hard on laptop processors (they sometimes freeze because they don't have enough ram). As well, outside of H.264... I have yet to see a MPG4 codec that delivers the clarity and proper frame structure of a VOB/MPEG2 file.

Other formats are certainly coming. Believe it. However I have heard.... only heard mind you.... that the very nice people at Serato will be issuing a plug in for MPEG2 very shortly for those that need it. But I only heard it from a guy who knows a guy... etc. etc. so don't start yelling at them, please.

Look steel,.... like I said .... you are passionate about your work and about video. I really applaud that. We need more of that.... people who want to do things right and look their best. But if you had taken the time to visit our playlists....

...... you would know all of this about our library already.

And I... have taken waaaay too much liberty posting on this manufacturer's board. I am surprised they haven't tossed me out on my a$$ by now.

So once again..... all together now....

Promo Only and VJ-Pro (Screenplay) kick each other bloody on a regular basis to get you what you need. Stop taping off of MTV, BET or whatever .... or ripping from Amazon (bet that sounds real special!). It is wrong. It is doing things the hard way... and it makes your shows look and sound like crap.

Legal video is cheap. Take advantage of it.

Thanks for your time and thank you Serato for your indulgence.

Any other comments or questions, rants, GFYS's, or what have you... I would request be directed to me off of this board.... not in here.

Thanks again.

DH

I agree!

So my question then like a 3 year old child is, You said earlier that Screen Play and Night Life are separate divisions of the Same company. Is that true? does all the money flow upward to the same place?

if you guys live in markets where some bullshit software will replace a dj. then your in the wrong place. all those spots were bars (maybe except e4?), it makes sense for them to have some faggy software because they may not have the revenue, space or crowd to have a full time dj. the same for restaurants. but in real nightclubs, nothing will do except a real live dj.

so on that note bring on the faggy software.

::senses the gloves are coming off:: =]

can we get back to the real subject? Legal Places to get music videos please...?

I just noticed Franchise put up some videos. Does anyone have Franchise vids and how are the playing/looking on VSL?

scratchlive.net <- click

Yeah Screen play has some cool advantages

try www.promoonly.com
You have to be a working professional DJ/VJ

Really? I think I've heard of Promo Only, are they good?

lmao

classic.

promo who?

woah, chill out maybe he was in a coma and just came out of it two days ago.....maybe :)

Has anyone tried Smashvidz? Worth the $50 a month? Large library?

wukawuka, your link doesn't work. :(

Please someone tell me more about this promo only. Thanks.

Not legal.

DJShakes, this discussion is about legal sources only, and as sixxx points out, that site is not legal.

You've got to be kidding right? You're comparing Promo Only to LimeWire? That's like comparing a Nun to a Rapist. Both PromoOnly and ScreenPlay have relationships with the labels that go way back (some to the 1980s). Limewire is as legal as me taking the cds out of your car when you're sleeping.

(Steel was good seeing you in Vegas. Thought I'd get back on here. -- I've been missing the threats.)

They were the only source for DIGITAL (i.e. Data format, not DVDs). More are on the way but sites like SmashVidz etc are not legit. When they start of with a big ass warning or ask for a donation watch out. What's to say a company like that doesn't get busted and in a plea agreement of some kind turn over their subscriber database to the RIAA, etc.?

Yes. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm not 100% sure but I think Express are short run burns vs pressed versions hence the larger cost. Same with the MPEG2 from screenplay.

They like to threaten people until they pay. But they DO have power and recently sued 29 or so clubs (one here locally in my own city). They have done it before and the club owner sold the club before he had to file for bankruptcy.

I worked for a club where the owner tried to pass them onto me. They then sent me a packet about half an inch thick with the infringements and wanted to use me against them. The owner pissed me off so bad at one point I ALMOST did. The owner owed (still does) a hefty amount and they had no clue I was playing music videos, BUT when he tossed them my way the guy started asking questions about what I did and his fee increased considerably.

They want about $400 out of you per TV even if you are just running regular cable.

This is the article.

www.ascap.com

The disc is encrypted to prevent such piracy (like most feature films) using a variety of schemes. This is one such scheme that is very hard to crack and has been successful thus far.

Wikipedia Entry:
en.wikipedia.org

Elgato Turbo.264

www.elgato.com

Just got it today. But not for videos. H.264 is kind of processor intensive. I currently use MP4/AAC. I hope to hell it works with Video-SL cause I have already churned through 2000+ videos, 6000+ to go.

Oh and the Turbo.264 SCREAMS. I am going to try it on an older G4.

TURN-THEIR-ASS-IN. I've made it clear in my market if you don't pay to play then you're going to pay in the end. I don't want what happened to audio to happen to video. Plus don't forget you have PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF. Snap a shot of the video screen with the Chryon tag and just ask the holder (i.e. Screen Play or Promo Only) if they are legit.

There are too many "dj's" popping up in my area. About eight of them are using a hard drive copied from a radio station Serato machine. (They claim they work there and it's 100% legit -- yea.)

I've said it before, the Karaoke industry offers rewards if you turn in guys stealing crap. They were technically doing video WAAAAY before we did and they are really protective of their massive libraries.

Done with my rant. Keep the faith Steel!

I will give them some tips on where to go and learn, I'm not an ass. But I live by the motto "Don't train your replacement". There are TWO former light guys in my market that are now "DJs". I know someone from my market is reading this thread and knows them both. After buying Serato and a $150 "magically loaded" hard drive ... POOF! He's a dj now.

I politely refer them to DJ University or some of the DVDs from Guitar Center. I will show them some of the basics but when it comes to how I encode, organize, catalog my music or how I conduct business that I consider a trade secret.

Hmmm. This is where I think we don't agree. ScreenPlay is a US distributer of the NightLife system which is based (I think in New Zealand too -- I may be wrong). It is a subscription service that they MUST maintain, or the system can be deactivated. Promo Only actually DOES have automated systems as well and there are many services that are aligned with. Neither ScreenPlay or Promo are TRYING to put DJ's out of business. Hell bar owners are cheap. I know many bars that have a laptop in the back room cranking out music. If they could figure out videos they would probably do that too.

My father owns a Pita Pit and we setup a sweet system of a 200 capacity DVD player with Promo Only Pop-Mix video. It's perfect... now am I going to go tell a bar owner how we did it with the custom in-store channels, logo overlay, or the automated IR scripts I wrote.. hell no.)

Here is the AVED Video Jukebox, I know these guys, damn cool product:
www.avedjukebox.com

Here is the Promo Only product that they don't market on the DVD "DJ" side:
www.promoonlynetworks.com

I even have my own automated product that I could put in every bar in my city and piss off all the DJs but that goes back to the trade secret thing.

Promo Only doesn't really market their player to nightclubs, NightLife does. That could be the only conflict that I could see.

Oops. :) I was just going through all the posts top to bottom and hadn't seen this yet... I'm at 10 replies in a row so far. This post would have saved me some time. Doug was good seeing you in Vegas, I left my damn blinking flair bottle in your booth... damn whisky.

Ah yes... BUT you can't tag or embed META information. ;)

I don't think Doug will respond but they are the same company in the same way GE and NBC are the same company. Or Kraft and Morris Phillips are the same company. ScreenPlay does waaay more that just videos. They do the content you see in places like Foot Locker, Steve & Barrys, Blockbuster, etc. The music video division was launched in 2002/2003 I believe. There is a back story that I'm probably now allowed to go into.

I've been to their offices several times in Seattle, they're laid back and pretty cool. You would SHIT if you saw their beta room. The NightLife systems are loaded and tested in the basement area. They don't really push the system that hard. We only had one here and the guy stopped paying and it went bye bye.

I was wrong, they are actually from Australia. The videos are protected and in a proprietary format. (I've played with an update disc, it's secure. The labels love that.)
www.nightlife.com.au

ScreenPlay has some awesome content that I honestly haven't seen elsewhere. On several occasions I saw an Ultimix version of a video that was completely reworked to match the Ultimix audio. I have been both a ScreenPlay customer and PromoOnly customer and like both companies. They bicker like brother and sister sometimes (which is just business -- and pretty funny) but like the man said both are ARE VERY legit.

Anyone remember VMS MEDIA? Try to contact them:

www.vmsmedia.com Phone? 1-866-818-7356

That is from a DVD I'm holding in my hand. They lasted about a year, they called themselves a pool too. I tracked down their subscriber agreement:

www.thesourceformusic.com

Na dude, screw that. Let's just trade hard drives. I have some KILLER videos off of YouTube you'll love (I blurred out the VH1 logo for ya)! Also last night I set up my VHS camera in front of the TV and got about 6 hours of MTV2 so we should be totally set for this Saturday.

I'll see you at McDonald's at 3:00PM tomorrow. Oh, by the way.... bring your Hello Kitty Western Digital drive I like that one.


(Yikes, 15 posts in a row, I am so getting my ass banned.)

15 in a row... That's gots to be a record.

could have been done all in one post, but i guess nobody would read it cause it would look like a novel.

Dude did you even read the thread before posting any of that? I posted this and it was a joke. Wukawuka was telling use about Promo Only and I asked if they were good. It's funny to most people on the forum. If you wanna laugh I'll let you know too.

I meant I'll let you know why it was funny too. D-Twizzle thought it was funny.

So wait are you telling me you lost the Hello Kitty External Drive? DAMMIT!!!! Dude where are we going to find content for Saturdays gig? I almost forgot, can you get your mom to drive us to the show? I have enough for $1500 mixer, don't want to spend the cash on content or gas. :)

my gf would kill for a hello kitty external

Check out my site WWW.VJSTEEL.COM, I thought yours was real nice. Oh I'll be DJing Videos in Seattle on june 20th and 21th I think you should make the 6 hour drive, You will learn a lot.

www.kittyhell.com

June 20, 21... crap. I'm in Vegas 16-20 for InfoComm then the birthday 21st or I'd be there.

Hey guys,
I am based in New Zealand and have just invested into Video SL, however building my Video library seems to be a lot harder than what i thought it would be. Ideally i am after the promo only series however they will not ship outside the U.S. so does anyone have any ideas on how to get compilations shipped to New Zealand which are very similar to promo only.
Thanks

Sweet I'll be in Vegas that Sunday the 22nd if your still there. To MagicNZ Yeah try Screen Play.

Thanks DJ Steel, i thought they would be my next best bet.

Sad days are coming if human would be replaced by computers. I will say this I know nothing of the system and can tell you one thing.. There is no way a computer can rock the crowd there are things that Dj's do to change a party from ok to hellla d shit. A computer will never be able to do that. I see these things in bars as jukeboxes other than that useless. I only suggest that all Dj's master their trade and don't go out half stepping or u might just get replaced. Clubs will always try to get out of paying DJ's for the trade unless they have been taught the value of a good DJ. U can make your mouth say anything but performing and rocking the crowd aint just talk. No way a computer will beat me, until they can mix, scratch and wink at the chicks they can't touch me. Just my 2 cents..Twizzle my hand killed somebody last year u think they will take me to jail after all it was my hand that done it not me. LOL that shit was funny but ohhhh so true.....

LOL

is it possible to edit posts on this board? lol...

Radio isn't what it was 10 years ago. It's really not important anymore.

why cause no one pays for spins like they used to lol? its still a main way people discover music. i get lazy with keeping new music in my car and will just turn on the radio (and im around it all damn day)... Radio is just branching out into other areas, like podcasting, and streaming.

Podcasting and Streaming is ......ummmm Podcast and Streaming not Radio. Radio back in the day could pack a club and make a DJ famous now if you don't have a saturday gig that could get you a radio job. It's just not as cool. Podcast are the way to go. You can play what you want and get it to the people you want.

do you / have you worked radio?

Yeah of course I did up till I needed to focus more on video and had to choice a couple months ago. Radio doesn't suck its not horrible. It's just not a factor in if someone is good anymore. I hear horrible DJ's on air all the time. Also DJ's like Z-Trip from where I'm from (Arizona) he never even played on 1 station and he is the highest paid DJ to come out of my state.

Here's something to think about how many DJ's in your city are trying to be the cool radio DJ? 1000? 10,000? more? Why? what's the point? How many of those same DJ's are trying to be the DJ for Mac Computers or Intel? Or McDonalds? Which do you think is gonna do more for your career? Redbull? or a local radio station? The things you focus on are the things you will eventually get so why focus on small things when big things take less work and will do more for you?

That was my point I was trying to make.

Well said Steel,

I've Deejayed for Nike, Red Bull, Microsoft, just to name a few....and a bunch of clubs....guess who pays more????


P.S. Totally rocked my mac on the Microsoft gig haha

Lol That's funny!

vs



vs


lol, you're all over the place with "points" lol.

I look at it like this steel.

I get paid, to promote myself. So instead of having to advertise and get subscribers to my podcast (which would cost me money...) i get Paid to promote myself on air. To a LARGE audience for several hours a week. That was the WHOLE reason i started working radio. lol. And although i was in a smaller city (500,000 people, second largest city in wa) it did me wonders. Now im in Seattle applying the same strategy.

I'm not saying its the best/coolest job in the world, or the best medium these days, but it does serve a very valid purpose...if you use it right.

It's the same point. It's cool bro if you don't understand.

Wow.

I didn't mean it like that bro calm down.

Does anybody know if there are any legal places to download the videos so i don't have to rip all day everyday? I know once I'm done ripping all these promo only videos there is going to be some easier way. Any help would be great. Thanks.

Hummmmm all you guys that have been doing video for more than 4 years who do you think is the best, promo only or screenplay?

Razor I heard that SLV will add vob(mpeg2) to the list one day. Then ripping would be a little nicer. For now Screenplay already has it set up with vob and named d files so you wouldn't have to do anything except copy the files to a drive. SLV does that then is a no brainer but for now sitll have to rip and still have to convert.

Screen Play videos need better audio. The waveforms on them looks like a straight line because the audio is so low.

I thought I was importing them wrong.....but I have the same problem

yep yep. from the grape its said they use movie standards. which makes no sense at all. movies have a standard for a reason (impact) music is a totally different mastering process.

i started getting videos from 8thwonderpromos.com looks like for 10 a month you cant go wrong.

How many videos do they have?

about 25. already in mp4 format.

but for 10 bucks u cant go wrong.....

Hey guys,

CHeck out www.djvideosource.com

How much is it?

50 BUCKS FOR 2 MONTHS NOT BAD BUT 8thwonderpromos.co is only 10 bucks a monthnow thats a bargain......

It says $50 per month.

8THWONDERPROMOS.COM is 10.....oh the other one, sorry nik39

but look at their vid selection, not good buddy. not good.

give it just a little more time, wow who sang that? "and our love will surely grow!" lol as well as 8thwonderpromos...

Any with more dance related vids?

i think promo only will be the best if your looking for one genre in general.

Hi, my name is DJ AG and I'm interested in these music video sources.

So to sum it up:
DVD's - Best in quality and genre choices = Promo Only

But what about for online music video downloads? Which out of My12Inch, DJVideoSource, Exclusivegrooves, or a different site? Which has the best and most consistant quality among them all?

my12inch.com is badass

on the real, if u are making ends with spinning its only in your best interest to join all the video pools, its still cheap compared to back in the day with vinyl, i was paying sometimes 150 -100 dollars a month and still had to buy other records to be up to date so if u joined promo smash vj 8thwonder 12inch u are still around 120-130 a month, hell thats the fraction of the cost of one night spinning. one pool is always gonna have something the other doesnt

thats true, i thought about that the other day, for awhile i was dropping 200 a weeeeek on vinyl without bitching, now 50 is too much? shame shame shame

yeah its all about supporting, especially the little companies popping up, the more around the better the price. basic economics, wow i did learn something from Rutgers.......GO KNIGHTS!!!!

+1 on my12inch. I love them

Did my12inch change the quality in thier videos or something?? When I had an account with them....their videos looks like how a 128 mp3 sounds.

LOL that means no video at all.

WOW, on point funkytownstopsix

Here is a track I'm releasing this summer, would love all the Video Sl users to play it. I own the copy right so its legal.

Please download it.

www.ttetv.com

DJ KOFI, yeah i see all the nyc spots, harlem 125...lol very nice and great way to
get promotions and buzz. very smart. you know i gotta bite....hehheh. thanks 4 the video

Exactly. One station has a 15 year old intern voicing the station? Totally makes advertisers wanna line up when it sounds like a highschool radio station. ;)

Promo Only's levels are very strong (from 2006 on).

Not yet. Soon.

Why are the moderators not censoring these?

www.djvideosource.com is a high quality MP4 pool. So it'll save time from ripping DVDs all the time.

Not legal.

Isnt it legal to share your recorded tivo content with other tivo users?

Not sure how that is relevant, but no.

Yeah its been a feature for a while. That was just a rhetorical question so people could learn what they can do.
www.informationweek.com
tech.commongate.com
You can even create your TiVo channel with scratchlive! www.onetruemedia.com

In that sense yes it is legal. I thought you were referring to the numerous utilities that are available to rip videos down from MTV, VH1, BET etc once they are on the DVR itself.

There are high quality versions of these MGMT videos for download on youtube (read the description). With the username of "mgmtmusic" it seems legit to me. I love these guys.

Electric Feel Watchwww.youtube.com
Time To Pretend Watchwww.youtube.com

Hell yeah Dave! Never would've thought that...thank you!!! :)

Can someone tell me how this rule on some videos I might buy can affect me?


We are operating LAWFULLY UNDER THE "FIRST SALE DOCTRINE" handed down By The Supreme Court of The united States
The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1908 and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C.109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. That means that a copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule".

With reference to trade in tangible merchandise, such as the retailing of goods bearing a trademark, the "first sale" rule serves to iimmunize a reseller from infringement liability. Such protection to the reseller extends to the point where said goods have not been altered so as to be materially different from those originating from the trademark owner. ( The Videos On This DVD set have NOT BEEN ALTERED)

In 1909 the codification originally applied to copies that had been sold (hence the "first sale doctrine"), but in the 1976 Act it was made to apply to any "owner" of a lawfully made copy or phonorecord (recorded music) regardless of whether it was first sold. So, for example, if the copyright owner licenses someone to make a copy (such as by downloading), then that copy (meaning the tangible medium of expression onto which it was copied under license, be it a hard drive or removable storage medium) may lawfully be sold, lent, traded, or given away.

Another great video available for free. 10 points if you can play it out.

Radiohead - House of Cards: download.radiohead.com

The data is available if you are nerdy enough to do your own remix: code.google.com

Hi all. I didn't read all... too much stuff...

But you should go on

tbohiphop.net (all is free, maybe just have a rapidshare account, what i did, cauz if you want to get a lot of them)
or
www.ramvideo.com


Otherwise, i thought, if all the people who are here got some videos, it should be cool to share your videos.

Personnaly i got more 900 videos HIP HOP & RnB only. So...

By the way, sorry in advance if you don't understand all as well, cauz i am french.

Peace

Notice :
All my videos are in H.264 (arround 60 Mo each) with no logos
All Tagged (Done with iTunes)
All BPM calculated (AND NOT IN AUTO MODE, but one by one by ME...)

I will share them with pleasure, but I will share quality so, please do the same...

Peace

mister dj, you are not suppose to be offering videos here.... that's one of the rules.

Damn son that tbohiphop.net would be cool if I didn't have most of the Sh** now. . . lol You could of save me a lot of money but I'm download a vid now for testing.

Sorry, I didn't know. But SERATO (whitch one i like so much) does not give or explain anything about "how to get videos" and they do not give any software who can be able to compress any videos in the good format, but they only explain how to use a "bastard" freeware... whitch one i tryed and... anyway.

So, I don't subject to give some videos straight by this forum. But just have some contact to share some videos that u can get for free on several websites like www.TBOhiphop.net

More people who will be able to have some Music Videos ready to be play, more SERATO could sell some SL VIDEO... NO ?

Otherwise, sorry again. I just wanted to do a good thing.

Oh is good. I just though I'll let you know...

how do u download from that site dj law

Mac user, I download the video and it's in a .rar file. So, if you're on a mac you'll need to get IArchiver you'll know the rest from there. . .

No beef...




U just have to choose what video you want, u click and download through rapidshare, megaupload...
And if one video does not appear straight, go on the forum/discussion of the video to get the rapidshare link.

Hope u understood me (Still sorry for my english)



Personnaly I use a PC to convert and uncompress videos from TBOHipHop.net
After downloading, I use :
Lupasrename to replace _ by a space (and otha stuff...)
Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate ($55 it's not expensive for what it does) to convert all videos in H.264 (sorry, i don't remember the configuration, but u can choose APPLE TV, and then it's OR MP4 OR ACC OR something else for the song, I will check later. And to finish u choose quality video and song u want, pay attention to do it before have sected all videos)
TagScanner to fill all tags automatically

After go on MAC
Then, i use BeaTunes to find the BPM manually (cauz it aint MP3, but Video files. Do not try the auto BPM, becauz it does not work correctly ! I tryed auto BPM on several freewares and it was the same thang...)
And now in iTunes all is ready and u can enjoy ur mix on SL Video.

Hope I was enough clear on my meannings AND sorry again for my "bad"english (I am French)

Good Luck !

I did a mistake

It is not BEFORE but AFTER
Sorry

tx...figured it out for pc. download thru rapidshare its a rar. file extract it w/ proper program....mkv file convert in magic video convertor to proper mp4 settings..looks great.

Yes, I think it works but like u don't have all videos in MKV, i prefered convert them all in only one format with the same configuration.
After if you feel that s enought in MKV, cool it will avoid you to spend time and money. Not like me Lol... Anyway

And yes ! rapid share give you .rar files but I think it's easier to extract videos from .rar rather to buy each video or exctract them from DVD's...

Doug Howard said...

This has to be the biggest misconception ever and I can't believe people still think this! MPEG-4/H.264 were designed to be the SUCCESSORS to MPEG-2. All new BluRay releases, for example, the successor to DVDs, use H.264/AVC. These codecs are much more advanced and yield video quality much higher and at lower bitrates than MPEG-2. IF. ENCODED. PROPERLY. Unfortunately, most content we see in those formats originated as MPEG-2 (primarily on DVD), and thus a true comparison cannot be made (the only way it could would be if uncompressed video was used as source.) It is also a fact that very few consumer available H.264 encoders support interlaced video. For example, even QuickTime does not. Which means that proper interlaced video is NOT possible in VSL. If you give an MPEG-4/H.264 encoder an interlaced video but do not specifically TELL it that it's interlaced, the video will be encoded as progressive and all field relationships will be broken. What that means for you is BAD PERCEIVED VIDEO QUALITY. Deinterlacing will always lose resolution, no matter how good your deinterlacer is. The only way to restore progressive video with music video content is to use reverse telecine, which removes the extra fields added and pulls the framerate down to its original 24. However, this is quite tricky as most music videos are not edited in a 24fps timeline and the effects, transitions, speed ramps are all rendered at 60i. This means that it is impossible to truly "restore" the video to progressive without negatively affecting something.

Until the same source used by PO/ScreenPlay used to encode their content to MPEG-2 can also be used to encode it to H.264, MPEG-2 will always look better. Until proper field/frame relationships can be maintained (whether as encoding it as true interlaced or using reverse telecine), MPEG-2 will always look better. It is a fact that a transcode can never look as good as its source. With an advanced codec such as h.264 it does come close, but it's still never 1:1 quality.

Sadly, it seems we are far away from true H.264 encodes. I am almost certain that all of the "MP4" video pools today encode their content from label provided promo DVDs (and believe it or not, many of these promo DVDs are made using over-the-counter DVD recorders, because they're cheap, easy to use and quick, I've seen it with my very own eyes.) I very much doubt these pools have DigiBeta decks and capture stations to do a "proper" encode. It is also much cheaper for a label to send out mass replicated DVDs than it is to dub DigiBeta masters, for which stock is quite expensive as well as operator time. I've heard that even the "big 3" DVD pools we talk about here encode some of their content from digital deliverables (probably a high bitrate MPEG-2 file, ~15mbps or so, FTPd by a label's fulfillment house.)

All of this adds to the general impression that H.264 "sucks" and MPEG-2 is "the best." Or that H.264 is a smaller, worse quality alternative to MPEG-2. And that is not the case at all, it just is with the current workflow. In reality, H.264 blows MPEG-2 out of the water and I cannot wait till properly encoded H.264 videos surface so everyone can finally see once and for all!

DJ Czar hit it right on the money. I would have said all that many months ago, but I'm too lazy to type it out.
If PO and Screen Play were to render their videos to MP4 at 3mbps, it would look better than their vob/dvd renders.
Since people are buying these DVDs and then converting it to MP4, of course it won't look as good as an mpeg2/vob, but some people don't realize that.

I bought a DigiBeta deck a few months ago on ebay since I get digibeta tapes from the labels.

Mister DJ Law, the topic of this thread is "Legal places to get music videos".

Trading your video files with others is not legal. The sites you linked to also do not look very legal. Please keep discussion to only legal sources.

Thanks.

OK Sorry man...

Aight... I've come across a couple of places that have subscriptions for Videos and Music:

Rockamerica.com
my12inch.com

These are Video pools that folks can join. The videos are tagged just like Promo only.

did they every tell you where to get music i n the first place? isnt that a dj's job.... /sigh

slackin ass no heart djs these days....

8thwonderpromos.com 10 bucks a month thats all i have to say!

anyone know where to get latin videos? promo has some but not what i am looking for. thanx

I have actually been buying dvd of old salsa classic then ripping them. but if u are looking for new stuff promo has those but not all one genre. promo doesnt understand there is latin rock, reggaeton, bachata, merengue,salsa etc...what are u looking for Mi'gue. I spin stuff like hector lavoe,victor manulle,marc anthony.

hey migue, I have been looking for the same and I believe there isn't another place. I would love to find out...

I play mostly salsa, merengue, bachata and reggaeton

Taino, your best bet is the promo only latin dvd series.

[www.promoonly.com]

I know smashvidz is starting to dwelve into reggaeton, merengue and salsa w/ extended intro's, but the legallity is in question. I use the service, and it seems real legit.

I myself buy my dvds from Ritmo Latino [www.ritmolatino.com], i would suggest a local.google.com search in your area.

yeah promo has some btu you have to understand...classic salsa is a large part of a salsa night in any club or venue but promo does have a few, smash is throwing a couple up but i will look for new sources..i will keep in touch

thanks guys...

DJ Czar hit it on the money, I would have said this a year ago. But I didn't even know what h 2.64 encoding was, haha.

I'm very pleased with the current quality of my videos, I've been playing them on really big screens and plasmas also.

Niros

my12inch.com has a bunch of latin videos but they seem to put them up all at once and then not at all for a few months

yhea that site already seems shady. Prolly not a legal source for vids.

cool i need latin videos.....old school salsa stuff

my last post here is not supposed to be in this thread. That is strange I posted it somewhere else.

this place is haunted!!!lol

I'm with you on that Phat-Al. I mean I spend hours upon hours getting video and finding the perfect video samples. I don't want to give them to anyone. In fact out of our VJing crew, we rarely share clips between each other. It's understood that the sample is their's and that when we perform live that's their clip to use to wow the crowd.

And yes we do live in a society based off instant gratification. For instance a friend of mine tried to explain to me the concepts of "controllerism" and even compared it to being one in the same as "turntablism." I respect the fact that people are being inovative with controllers and are learning how to crab scratch with a series of buttons, But there is no soul there and no practice, just linking a few buttons.

Yeah that's all good but teaching is not sharing. . . I know it's really hard to teach people now BTW. They all just want to jump on and not really listen or take the time to learn. I really wish I had one parter who cared to get as good as I wish to be but for the right reasons. I think team DJs are way more fun to watch then just one guy. . . Plus I would love to have a host who can hype the crowd like me or at least DJ good as I get them going. . .

Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to hard and would like to work with known DJs but most just want you to kiss ass and DJ for free or never listen to an idea! At least with my events if I suck it's cause I suck but I did everything I want to do . . . I thank god I've had some really good turn outs!

Grasshopper take this rock from my hand!....LMAO How do you get to Carnegy Hall?.......PRACTICE.....P.S. I know I spelled carnegy wrong but u know what I mean lol

lol NO I DON'T. . . <--- haha

Practice on what? I'm not talking mixing if that's what you think. . . I'll eat a DJ for lunch. I'm talking PRODUCTION, Lighting/ Sound, over all look and feel of the event.

Here's me mixing live ( LIVE so I do hit and miss transitions) . . . I didn't know half of the songs but I really liked the feel of it, so I have it posted on my myspace

www.zshare.net

It's a New York joke Carnegy is a famous hall for artist entertainners etc.... and relax mark I am talking about people asking for help and those expecting someone to
spoon feed them everything and they do not put in effort....chill,relax....it's all good. lol

relax? I'm good . . . lol any who, what did you think about the mix. . . ?

Well to answers someones question that was posted way earlier about legality of playing videos with clips of movies being added to them. This question was asked to 2nd Nature and DJ Roonie G out in Atlantic City this year. According to the FBI screen it is illegal to rip any part of a movie. However 2nd Nature was approached by one of the big name movie companies and they asked him to do a re-mix of an upcoming movie. We were told that Pioneer has had legal team looking into the matter but its a realy Gray area, however that is why Roonie G and 2 Nature are not selling any of their remixes because this would definately cross the line.
The Video scene is a new area, and getting bigger. So I am sure we will see some info come out within the next year on legality of using video clips.

Ok well i have had the 57 for a bit now im gonna start getting into video since nobody doing it here. But my question is i have some mp4 videos. And i wanna get more, I have seen 8th wonder promos mentioned on here a couple of times. I was just wondering if anybody knew what kind of video files they provide. Is it mp4 or what???? I see they are a good price and from what i have read on here they are legit. Please any feedback on these sight before i sign up for it. thanks Ohhh yeahh and i did search the forum but couldnt find the answers i was looking for.

8th wonder files are mp4 video.

probably not a "legit" business. I have seen them re-brand promo only videos as their own. Their remix videos are not the greatest in quality and creativity, navigating through the site is a nightmare, etc...

but.. you get what you pay for.

Ugh!!!! Right in the heart DJ Phat-Al that hurt!!! What a way to thank me after the Eddie Grant-eletric avenue look out and 8thwonderpromos did a make over dj king easier to nav thru. And it's gonna be a wicked Halloween with serato....mad horror clips......utilizing theme from halloween.....nice!!!!

I mean nothing personal about it.

I haven't been on the site in about a month or so. I just frustrated after a while. Downloading videos that were not REALLY theirs to distribute. And navigating through the site was not easy. Some of the remix content is good and some not so good... just a matter of opinion.

Electric ave? Was that you who sent it to me? I was looking for a non-watermarked/tagged version... but if it was you... I do appreciate it & I will contact you again on stuff... ;-)

- to the mods: I am not posting about trading files or anything illegal. If you think it looks that way I apologize in advance.

Where which one?

I can't remember off hand... but I will look for one specific.

be back with the results.

dj disciple - work it out

in the original videos section...

look right after their tag...(about 15 seconds in) on the bottom right hand side of the screen. It is a promo only watermark. The UK branch of Promo Only does the watermark instead of text tagline.

so how legit are they if they do that shady kind of business....?

OUCH.......that hurt...........

Here's a screen shot of one of the rebranded videos. Cut off the Promo Only at the bottom and replaced with their tag which is not even the same font.

i78.photobucket.com

damn,,!!!!!!!!!

I know... truth hurts.

mann that sucks... does anybody use these videos for mixing... what about smash vidz

I got the whole smash vid site and I don't think they put up enough videos for the money! Promo only express is WAK also! if anything get hot video or urban and call it a day! You'll thank me for it later!

Uh... that's pretty dumb from 8th. They risk some fine ass law suits.

I did notice some funny stuff in the beginning but 8th is up to par now,,,all these video sites started out funny at first. 8th's on point now.

are trying to convince all of us or yourself...?

just like the old wal-mart slogan... "stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap."
$10/month sounds appealing but there is no way they could deliver LEGIT content and sell it that cheap. Just a matter of time before they get either shut down or lose all creditability with the industry all together.

True Phat but I am just gonna keep getting videos from there and other video sites, cause you have to keep several sources for music.. If one shuts I still have memberships to others..only makes sense. speaking of walmart...i like kmart...lol PEACE PHAT!!!

Can anyone tell me how come videos are played on the air for weeks and sometimes motnths before we can get them. Like PO takes way to long glad I didn't get express because at the end of the month you get the top ones anyway. All of this shit is wack as a Dj we stay on top and have all the new stuff well unless you do video. All Record company should have it so that you can go and get whatever video you want for a dollar each. This Shit sucks...hurry up and wait.

True dat Funkytown, listen I have been spinning when record pools were just that record pools. I would get so much music so early that when I would rock an unknown
artist the crowd would be puzzled but a few months later after it started getting air play or several clubs rocked it enough it became a banger but i rocked early. That is what a REAL record pool is supposed to be for promoting the artis and music and as a dj being the first one to rock, remember you would get a load of music 50% was wack 25% ok and then the rest known artists and unheard bangers and as a DJ u either had the ear to know a banger and start rocking it...example..as I am rocking mad disco and rock...I began sneaking white lines, the crowd was like who's the dude talking on the mic...a so so reaction...a few months later a certified banger(Grandmaster flash). that aspect of pools is gone...i guess cause it was cheaper to produce wax then a whole video but hell i have seen some wack videos too!!!!!

+1 that's how i came up...U forgot to say that some songs that you thought were wack would hit 2 even 3 years later. I recall getting Ice Cream Man by Master P I thought that was straight crap....that's the song that put him on the map.. Just seems that if they really cared to promote an artist they would place his video on a website no major money spent and all can download, or DJ's anyway. Doing video has been more a pain for that very reason because they see it on tv they think you have it too. My record pool is still good though I have the music just not vids...Oh well..

hi if anyone wants some videos im selling some dvds i have . as i dont have my dvjs anymore . i got about 150 dvds all need a good home . if interested email me

[email removed]

lol. you can't sell stuff on here.

vjlb, please do not sell things on this site. Thanks.

Steel, Promo only was the ones that pioneered this technology. I installed a system from promo only back in 2005 in a local nightclub here in Louisville, KY. I can't find it on there website though. They used it durring the week and I used the dvj system on weekends.

we discussed this subject awhile ago....everyone know these corporations are up to no good. But hey, it's not personal it's business. Get in where u fit in.

steel & doug are friends now m8. thats is well in the past.

I use www.keepvid.com sometimes for video clips that are in the public domain.

allows you to download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm etc as .flv or sometimes even as .mp4 which is higher quality, still not great quality though.

illegal

fo reala

I don't think this is illegal, cause it just downloads the video. The same things happens when you watch that video in your browser. It will get illegal however if you use those files for public viewing/broadcast/giging.

answers.yahoo.com

There is a topic about it here, which is completly unofficial, but i think it is illegal to download anything you do not own, or that is not copyright to you, without permission.

If you're visiting youtube you will be breaking the law, since the files get downloaded to your harddrive in your cache.

This makes no sense.

word? i'll still use keepvid. what!?!

I am talking about openly and willingly, downloading a video or song purposly, not as a hidden file or cache file that will be deleted unknowingly.

and u know what i mean nik... grrrr

You're still wrong. Sorry. ;)

SmashVidz & Crooklyn Clan have teamed up.

crooklynclan.net


Gotta luv tha Dre & Snoop - Nuttin' But A Club Thang
Luvin' tha scene where dude runs up behind girl in bikini and the scene loops.

Very Nice editing on the entire video.

Link to DJ King - DJ Trademark - Nuttin But A Club Thang

crooklynclan.net

Daft Punk vs Freeland - Aer OBAMA

greendotfilms.com

or

Watchwww.youtube.com

wow, must i say first that it took me so long to read all of this and i cant believe thata i did. i learned a lot and then i have many questions.

so first let me start off, 8thwondercdpool, is good for audio, not video, well at least not original video, they might have 1 upload a day, but for audio 10 a month its not that bad.

i have talked to a lot of vj's the past two months and they told me that my12inch.com, is a good site, which i have glanced at and it looks good, still debating.

and i have been to atlantic city for two years, and i know that promo onoly is good in a way, the only thing i dont like is that you have to wait a month to get the video.


bu my question is, if i record a video, (say with eye tv (mac product only)), can i still play that video at my events even if i keep it for myself, and not share it? with eyetv i can make that file i record anything? like this here>>>>> elgato.com

Hoody you can do what ever you like as far as video goes it's all about presentation, the best video are tagless videos direct from label where u can render them with minimal loss on visiuals. next is ripping dvds but most have chryons etc...and with no VOB support u still got to render them to mp4 next is video sites here there are chyrons(TEXT) but at least all the work is done for you and most of the time if the editor knows what being done the audio will be at 320. And trust me BET or MTV logos etc..., look tacky and forget about youTube, I mean you can use any of these sources but it is all relative to what type of VDJ you are. Do you want to look like a pro or something less. I mean to each his own people have to eat it doesn't bother me how a vdj gets down but I am saying is you want to keep upgrading your set to look as professional as possible it is a good look which WILL rEsult IN you GETTING more jobs!!!! holla!!!Damn i wrote too much.......LMFAO!!!!!!

any one have any suggestions for solutions with rock videos?

Promo Only is the best so far. You can try rockamerica video pool [www.rockamericamusic.com]. I personally have no experience with that record pool, so someone else is going to have to chime in on their experiences.

yea for rock the po po have a program just for that. rockamerica is out of it from what i've seen posted on other boards. they used to be on it but not any more it seems. screenplay has the best oldies for classic rock that i've seen though, but i don't get asked to play that much cherry pie crap any more thankfully.

Hey guys:

Just wanted to let you know there's a brand new website with extended videos for DJs called Xtendamix. The best variety anywhere and it's all legit, right from the record labels. Check them out at www.xtendamix.com

Good lookin' out!

nice but the GUI is pretty bad also the selection...

ive just started doing video smashvidz.com has a promo thing on their site now its like 87 something for 3 months.. unlimitted downloads.. u can pay 87 bucks get every vid on their site!! extended intro, clean, dirty versions... the quality is great the only downfall is it doesnt really seem like they are adding videos as much as they maybe should..

Ive been in one way or anothr in and out of promo only for...geez... is it 10 years?
(audio first obviously)

heres what I dont get (and by ALL MEANS step in and correct me if i get this wrong)

Said record pool gets promos from the labels, generally for free.
they used to require extensive DJ Feedback, but i dont see that anymore.
so, now the pools reproduce this, put it on a compliation and sell it to the DJ.

the only thing they have over anyone else is the connections to get these
videos directly from the labels.

I totally understand its a business, and thats not what Im questioning.
and I AM NOT advocating sharing. But how can a company who gets a
product for free, and sells it to you turn around and tell you you cannot share it?
I guess Im playing legal devils advocate here. But if they give them to you "for promotional use only" yet, you pay for them. What (aside from them gathering them and putting them on a dvd) are you paying for if your not attaining the rights to do
what you want with them.
(I understand it operates like a record pool...with dues and what not)

Example.
I was in Masspool for some time. Id get my bi-weekly box of records...pull the jams
and usually just stockpile the junk.. who hasnt given away all those old promos to a young jock starting out? Because its a shitty record it doesent have rights?
or because its on vinyl rather than digits it isnt subjet to these laws?

Like I said, Im just paying devils advocate mostly here.
Im one who always try to "find the angle" or Sylar the shit out of something.

it does urk me when i glance through craigslist and see literally hundreds of ads for full harddrives for 300.00... we can only up our game so much, and drain our pockets so much if the competition is not "paying to play", in any sense of the term and undercuitting on top of that! end rant...BREAAAATHe

Your paying for the service, connections, library & website maintenance, remixes, content all in one. It's a packaged deal. I personally do not have the time, even though I can, to try and track down the best quality videos, edit them, organize them, and hound the label for new content every day. I got a full time job, so i pay for these services. I am more worried about that 25 grand order that needs to be pumped out in two weeks than to fiddle around trying to xtend this video, or remix that video. I was able to do that before, but my priorities changed big time. I subscribe to smashvidz, promo only urban video, promo only latin video, and promo only hot video. If you pay smashvidz yearly its only $398 sumthin which comes out to like $33 a month, and the promo only series is like $300 a year as well (per service). Its well worth it since I dont have to worry about anything, its all done for me. I've been thinking about trying out screenplay tho.

Screenplay is the shit!! Especially with all the SICK remixes on the Dance Vision Series...O AND IT DOESNT HAVE PO WATERMARKS!! ScreenPlay FTW!

Some videos I'm trying to find, but haven't been able to. They are no longer available through Promo Only and I havne't found them on any record pools. Can anyone tell me of a legal place to buy good copies of these videos? PLEASE!!!!!

Fatman Scoop - Be Faithful

Too $hort - Shake That Monkey

Juvenile - Back That Azz Up (I have it, but the file is corrupt)

i got a few versions of be faithful it actually just not that long ago came on smash vidz.. theres also a transition to be faithful on crooklynclan.net... back that azz up is also on smashvidz or u can get diff mixes to it in the crooklynclan vault too... i dont have shake that monkey on video so not sure bout that one..

xtendamix has 2 or 3 of be faithful, as well as 2 or 3, it takes 2

Be faithful was released in 2001 as an official release on Universal Music. It was released under "Fatman Scoop" and not under crooklyn clan. Also there are pieces missing from the original video. There is no "Zodiak Sign" and "Can I Get a" samples as those samples were never cleared for the video, so it's a lot shorter.

Xtendamix has 2 versions. The short one and the original edit. They also have the Fatman Scoop "It Takes Two" as well

They are legitimate copies
www.xtendamix.com

Screenplay I thought only works with Virtual dj?

U gotta re-rip everything? whats up? Is it DVDs like PO?

dvds blaze, they work great like PO but no crazy watermarks

I work direct with several artists and have been uploading mp4s of their video. The most recent videos uploaded are usually posted on my newsletter, but I have a few on the site at [link removed]. Contact me at [email removed] to get on the newsletter.

that 1 download limit on xtendamix sucks if you have a slightly buggy net connection! lol

yea, won't be holding my xtendamix subscription for that long...jaggies and compared to smashvidz qualities not too great (not terrible but smash vids is better)

1 download per file does suck. But what also sucks is their video quality!! I was hoping they would improve, but the last couple of vidz that I downloaded, seem to be getting worse and worse! I like their video selection, but for the price and the quality of video's you get, just doesn't seem worth it. As for Smashvidz, very happy with them, just wish they would put down some more old school R & B vidz. They do from time to time. But need more!!!

Hey guys:

Thanks for your comments. You are allowed one download so there is no account sharing. This was a request of the record labels, so we imposed it. However, if a download fails, let us know and we can reset it for you. As for quality, we've recently upped the quality, so some of the newer material should be better than older stuff. We are fixing up some of the older content bit by bit as well. It all depends on the original source as well. An uncompressed .mov will be better than a .vob which is encoded. We do our best. Your comments are always appreciated and will be taken into consideration

Thanks for the feedback

if you could have deinterlaced vids that would be great. Some of the new stuff I downloaded has a bunch of lines and artifacts which I read is from being interlaced lol

something else I think I just noticed marky D. No tags?

and I just tryed to tag two of the extendamix vids in winamp and they no longer play...at all...tried some of my vids to make sure it wasn't winamp and they still work fine after I tag them.

We can start tagging them, no problem. The reason we didn't is because people like to tag the videos their own way, and we noticed that sometimes serato doesn't always keep the tagging info. We will start tagging them, no worries. Which videos don't play, so we can reset them for you? Also, which videos are interlaced? You can private message me if you'd like

dood, we need boom boom pow. i have not seen it anywhere LOL

i have yet to see it either.... ive been gettin requests for it i gotta play an ambient video with it which sucks!!!

Ive seen it, but horrible webrips...
its a kool video, nothing spectacular.

pretty much the 4 of then singing into the camera with crazy computer effects.
some sweet clips of red & black cgi dancers..

not enough of fergies assetts for my taste.
it will be a huge video though

better than the gay ass vid i got off of 8thwonder.

Niros made a pretty nice video for this track.

yuh, i scooped it

^^^ D'OH!

need it tonight.... Niro edit is tight still

Nice, but how will the quality look? If it's anything like the other videos, then it would be very unusable to me.

i thought xtend said it was only legal in canada? so now anybody can scoop from there?

nope, i have a second residence there :P