Serato Video General Discussion

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Legal places to get music videos

Josh 2:31 AM - 16 October, 2007
I know some of you are already playing videos, share your sources! :-)
Dj_KaGeN 3:15 AM - 16 October, 2007
this is a trap isn't it......
Dj onyx 4:20 AM - 16 October, 2007
Why post it if we don't have 1.8?
djpuma_gemini 4:26 AM - 16 October, 2007
Maybe they will give it to us for Halloween as a token of how much we help promote their product and help out the new guys. If they could rate customer service for websites. This would be the top one on the list.
I (HEART) SSL (no homo)
Josh 4:56 AM - 16 October, 2007
well some of you will be using other products to play them.... It's not a trap, just trying to drum up interest in video before it drops...

Anyone building a library of videos in preparation? Where do you get them? straight from labels?
MrGoodie2shoes 4:59 AM - 16 October, 2007
Why would we build up a library if we don't know formats that will work?
Dj Ace 6:16 AM - 16 October, 2007
Hmmm...it looks like someone does?
Dj onyx 6:19 AM - 16 October, 2007
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well some of you will be using other products to play them.... It's not a trap, just trying to drum up interest in video before it drops...

Anyone building a library of videos in preparation? Where do you get them? straight from labels?


So this tells us that 1.8 won't be out at all. Since there are not a lot of SSL users interested in video. We need to hype it up guys, so that serato will be encouraged to finish up the 1.8. Which is the remains?----------
Dj_KaGeN 3:01 PM - 16 October, 2007
I have a sizable collection of mpg - rumor is that it's not going to work when it 1.8 drops..
The Real DJ Maestro 3:09 PM - 16 October, 2007
i make my own videos...... I takes girl on girl pornos and put the music behind them and there is my video.... LOL, that fucking rules
djtripp 6:05 PM - 16 October, 2007
I hear tale that MP4 is going to be usable. I've been ripping my years of Promo Only, my artists collections and other random high quality stuff to that format.
The Real DJ Maestro 6:10 PM - 16 October, 2007
where do u get promo only videos..... I need a back stock of video, not many songs have video thou, so what do u do if there aint no video for that particular song
tig ol' bitties 8:19 PM - 16 October, 2007
maybe this is a hint that its coming soon, so get ready.
Dj Nyce 9:57 PM - 16 October, 2007
Josh, the only place i know is Promo Only.

the thing is people are ripping dvd's and what not but we don't know what formats will work.

-->Why would we build up a library if we don't know formats that will work?

so this time consuming process may be a waste of time. at least release a data sheet or minimum requirements guide.
Dj onyx 10:28 PM - 16 October, 2007
Serato should come with ripping software. This is what they had on VDJ, you can rip it in three different format.
marx 11:29 PM - 16 October, 2007
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Why would we build up a library if we don't know formats that will work?


thats whats up. we need to know what formats.

for everyone else you can still build your libary. Just leave it as a vob...then u can orgaize your libary. Once you know what format is useable...then u take those files & convert them. Your not losing anytime doing it this way. @least this way your slowly building instead of all @once.
marx 11:34 PM - 16 October, 2007
USA:
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www.thesourceformusic.com

www.screenplayvj.com

[link removed]

jonestm.com


US/UK/Europe:
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www.promoonly.com


Europe :
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www.mixmash.com


US/Canada:
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www.ergmusic.com
dj shortbus 5:41 PM - 17 October, 2007
i have a freind who bought every video they had including older stuff from the 80's , cost him a few grand, then he suscribed to there list of video
dj shortbus 5:42 PM - 17 October, 2007
i have about 3 gigs right now....and am gettign ready
DJ Grandpa 10:09 PM - 17 October, 2007
I've been playing for 2,5 years now on Pioneer DVJ X-1, 2-3 timeas a week at a club, so I'm ready to go video on Serato!

I subscribe to a few of the providers "marx" listed, and do a lot of my own remixes (taking audio from Funkymix, x-mix and other remix records, editing the video so it sync).

Can't wait to try 1.8 and video plugin.
dj disturbed 11:59 PM - 17 October, 2007
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USA:
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[link removed]



remember he said LEGAL places to get video's from.... like has already been said in other threads.. unless the site has gotten the RIGHTS to use a video in a mash-up video and also been given the rights to give it out (or sell it like on your site) then its not LEGAL
dj disturbed 12:02 AM - 18 October, 2007
^^^^ BTW.. im not knocking what you are doing... I LIKE the idea... but thids thread is about LEGAL places to get stuff... not places to gt ILLEGAL stuff poseing as legal stuff. I LIKE YOUR SITE... but if the mods allow this.. then the mods would have to allow us to talk about otehr illegal means of getting music and videos
DJUltimate 12:16 AM - 18 October, 2007
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where do u get promo only videos..... I need a back stock of video, not many songs have video thou, so what do u do if there aint no video for that particular song

Create your own.
marx 12:26 AM - 18 October, 2007
play visuals with the audio
Josh 3:16 AM - 18 October, 2007
Warik from here at Serato mentioned this forum: vjforums.com

looks like there's a ton of content there if you're looking for general visuals.
Josh 3:26 AM - 18 October, 2007
lucidmovement.com has some cool highspeed camera stuff...
D-Twizzle 3:19 PM - 18 October, 2007
Europe:
www.videopool.com
I get this and the quality is good. There is no text like promo only, but they have a small translucent logo that shows throughout the video.

There's also my12inch.com & exclusivegrooves.com
But they come in MP4 format. This may or may not work with the video plugin.
Marqs 9:25 AM - 19 October, 2007
www.7digital.com has a lot of videos for sale.
marx 9:35 AM - 19 October, 2007
7digital is drm protected.....unless its changed
Marqs 12:55 PM - 19 October, 2007
Not all are DRM, it depends on the label.
djmalcom 8:38 PM - 19 October, 2007
I am up to over a terabyte of video....been ripping and titling it seems liek forever....
koolionyc 11:52 AM - 20 October, 2007
I have been contacting my record label connects for the past years, getting DVD's of their latest (and old) releases. I dont spin video yet, but I want to be prepared for it if I should take the plunge.

I did the a similar thing with Serato. By the time I purchased it about 4 months ago, I already had a sizable organized collection of MP3s. Ive been familiar with, and using the mp3 format since 1999/2000.
koolionyc 11:53 AM - 20 October, 2007
I have been contacting my record label connects for the past year, getting DVD's of their latest (and old) releases. I dont spin video yet, but I want to be prepared for it if I should take the plunge.

I did the a similar thing with Serato. By the time I purchased it about 4 months ago, I already had a sizable organized collection of MP3s. Ive been familiar with, and using the mp3 format since 1999/2000.
koolionyc 11:57 AM - 20 October, 2007
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I am up to over a terabyte of video....been ripping and titling it seems liek forever....



See, i dont think im going to do that - rip hundreds and hundreds of DVDs. Its already time consuming tagging, renaming, and adding artwork to MP3s. Then the storage space Id have to buy and maintain, is ridiculous. Id get a intern / student to do it.

For now, id rather just save up for a CDJ DVD Turntable
andygatr 6:25 PM - 21 October, 2007
We use Promo Only, Rock America, ilovevideo.com, as well as some forums and blogs for exclusive promo content. We run 2 macs, 1 with Serato for audio while we play ambient video & logos and 1 with Numark Cue/NuVJ for the music videos. We run everything into a Rane MP2016 Rotary Mixer which give us plenty of channels. We use imovie and Final Cut to do mash-up video edits for our own remixes. We have the ability to convert to any file type once Serato announces the compatibility type.

I wouldnt suggest just playing any old video. If you're going to use 1.8 when it comes out, make sure you use DVD quality videos. Dont embarass yourself by playing low quality YouTube promo videos thinking you look cool. I have a feeling once 1.8 comes out, this is going to be the big problem, because of the fact that video is so easy to get these days.

PS....Having Promo Only right down the street from our studio helps a lot too. I love living in Florida.

PSS...There are tons of illegal places out there to get quality video too, so just spend time looking around and you can find just about anything.

In the spirit of Serato, creativity is the goal. Don't just playing boring contect. Remix the audio, then format your video over it. We don't want to all be playing the same thing now do we.
lvmez 1:14 AM - 24 October, 2007
itunes isn't a bad choice either. once you purchase you can rip them into mpeg4 with tunebite.
marx 4:39 AM - 24 October, 2007
u know ur taking a mp4 & converting it again. it can't look pretty on a plasma.

Think of it like this...its the same as if you were playing a 64-80k mp3. some of you might be okay with that....but I have never player a 64-80k mp3 while I was djing.
a-swift 10:31 PM - 26 October, 2007
I get my videos mostly from promo only, but I got a LOT of rock, 80s, and complete artist collections from amazon.com, Best Buy, etc too. A lot of these collections don't seem to be covered by promo only, like Prince, Madonna, Guns and Roses, George Michael, Mariah, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, Tribe Called Quest, Nas, G-Unit, Death Row, etc.

I have a little under 2,000 videos now. These are all hand picked singles, not entire DVD dumps.
lvmez 3:00 AM - 27 October, 2007
NICE. as much as i want a collection of the new videos, i would like to build old school video collection.
Dj Silver Glass 3:26 AM - 27 October, 2007
221 GB from promo only. all in mpeg1 & 2 formats crappy i know.
DJ'Que 11:50 PM - 28 October, 2007
I Have tons of video from sources but I use serato box with virtual vinyl if the club has monitors and just connect to the s-audio hookup which links all the sceens,I did a club friday and played cupid shuffle and had the video on showing how to do it for those that didnt,then I had to play it again once they learned it.but it comes in handy time from time.also I would prefer to use serato with serato video in stead of mix and match
lvmez 1:12 AM - 29 October, 2007
how do you like using virtual? i just got it myself but can't use it for video because i sold my sl1 and only have the 57. i just with the video microwave style. lol.
DJ'Que 1:21 AM - 29 October, 2007
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how do you like using virtual? i just got it myself but can't use it for video because i sold my sl1 and only have the 57. i just with the video microwave style. lol.
its cool but I would prefer useing it with virtual and not serato cuz other dj's be like serato has video and im like no im useing the box and not the vinyl box but I have the 57malso but take the box as a backup.
phaeton 5:03 AM - 29 October, 2007
Another... www.ilovevideo.com
djoneswitch 2:30 PM - 29 October, 2007
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itunes isn't a bad choice either. once you purchase you can rip them into mpeg4 with tunebite.


I have tried re-encoding the m4v files, but i think they are DRM formats. I could not convert it into another format. How do you do this?
marx 3:03 PM - 29 October, 2007
tunebite....but u lose quality
djoneswitch 3:11 PM - 29 October, 2007
Thanx Marx
lvmez 3:15 PM - 29 October, 2007
another thing i realized about itunes videos is that there audio bitrate is 128kps or less. not worth getting it for that reason alone. what bitrate is promo only's audio?
marx 4:15 PM - 29 October, 2007
they vary....but all the new ones are good.

pcm audio its not a mp3
a-swift 7:11 PM - 29 October, 2007
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another thing i realized about itunes videos is that there audio bitrate is 128kps or less. not worth getting it for that reason alone. what bitrate is promo only's audio?


48Khz 16bit PCM encoded audio, a little better than CD quality which is 44.1Khz 16bit PCM encoded audio. this basically means full quality, no compression.
lvmez 8:13 PM - 29 October, 2007
cool.
DJ Drake 11:26 PM - 29 October, 2007
The club i have a residency at decided to go video, i dont know if i really like it to much, i run off VDJ while useing my serato box for my dennon 3500's, i havnt got vynal to work sadly(you also have to use the vdj timecode). video is nice but, in my opinion it cuts down what i can play, many new songs and hot songs do not have videos. ive been doing video on the club scence for about 2 mounths now and the people on the dance floor really dont care, its just nice for the wall flowers, but it makes my life harder and i feel i can spin a much better show without video. Just a little hands on experience i hope the new serato video is better, and they start making more videos for dance music.
marx 11:38 PM - 29 October, 2007
you should install the clip bank....u can set it up so if u play a audio file it will play a visual. this way u don't have to do all video. unless thats what ur club wants...but like u said theres alot of songs that don't have video.
DJ Grandpa 4:56 PM - 2 November, 2007
I'm resident in a club where we play video since 2 years back. "DJ Drake" what you say about limit what you can play is true, but in my club people like looking at the videoscreens even on the floor (copying the dance moves...)

I do lot of my own video remixes (use sound fron funkymix, x.mix 9-inch and more) sure it's a lot of work but mush for fun to play.

For now we have Pioner DVJ-X1, but I'm waiting to try out the videoplugin for Serato.
DJ Mike Fury 8:23 PM - 5 November, 2007
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I know some of you are already playing videos, share your sources! :-)

There are two major LEGAL music video carriers. Promo Only and ERG Music carry all different genres. All major record labels promote their videos to those two. I personally recommend Promo Only over ERG Music for the quality of the sound/video and video selection. I have alittle over 4,500 videos (that's def. underestimating) since I started collecting them about a year ago.
djmalcom 10:14 PM - 7 November, 2007
Just filled 1 and a half Hitachi terabyte drives with Promo Only videos....love em!
lvmez 2:35 AM - 8 November, 2007
did you just join promom only? what genres did you get? i have most of there old school videos. 80's, 90's and some 03-04' stuff. great quality.
The Real DJ Maestro 4:26 PM - 9 November, 2007
Is it illgeal to share ya videos from promo only with other people..... I haven't joined yet but i see they have alot of videos. I think since i work for a label i should reach out to other labels and get the videos from them
lvmez 5:52 PM - 9 November, 2007
good idea. then share them with us. j/k.
elwood grain 6:42 PM - 27 November, 2007
can i choose exactly which videos i want if i subscribe to promo only? or is it more like you get what you get in your certain genre?
DJ-A 7:29 PM - 27 November, 2007
it is a subscription to their DVD's or cd's... you get what ever they are sending that month
lvmez 9:44 PM - 27 November, 2007
you can choose a genre, but you'll be locked in that genre.
Milhouse Brown 7:25 AM - 29 November, 2007
From what I've seen ERG has the Genre thing on Lock (Except Rock) PRomo Only seems to be Only URBAN & Dance (Top 40 based) I don't know about Quality
Too bad we can't share stuff Cus As A DJ i've already bought the 12"s Cd & LP's Why should we have to pay again just to play the Video when everyone else gets it for free on YouTube??

I think that Serato should set up some kinda Place we can get what we need in a format that they think will work the best for there SSL. That would make the most sence. I'd pay for that for sure LIke a one time Back catoluge & a subscription to stay on top there after with emails or something telling us when something hot is avalable. For the Subscription stuff thats out now its only once a month so it half way thought the month people want to see new Stuff you don't have it yet
But what ever
Subcription to third part it is.
djcharles 2:41 PM - 29 November, 2007
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I think that Serato should set up some kinda Place we can get what we need in a format that they think will work the best for there SSL.


Whitelabel.net for video, now that's an idea!
ImShifty 5:05 PM - 29 November, 2007
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Too bad we can't share stuff Cus As A DJ i've already bought the 12"s Cd & LP's Why should we have to pay again just to play the Video when everyone else gets it for free on YouTube??


Yea but they also paid for the production of their music videos
dj disturbed 5:15 PM - 29 November, 2007
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Too bad we can't share stuff Cus As A DJ i've already bought the 12"s Cd & LP's Why should we have to pay again just to play the Video when everyone else gets it for free on YouTube??


so in your terms.... why should a club pay you when they can just put on a radio station and have music for free?
dj disturbed 5:18 PM - 29 November, 2007
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Too bad we can't share stuff Cus As A DJ i've already bought the 12"s Cd & LP's Why should we have to pay again just to play the Video when everyone else gets it for free on YouTube??


so in your terms.... why should a club pay you when they can just put on a radio station and have music for free?


and i mean the clubs already pay their licensing fees to play the music to begin with.. and they paid for the sound system... so why do the clubs need to pay someone to play the music they have already paid fees to be able to use when they can use other ways to play the music for free... or put in a juke box and make money off the music that gets played?
ImShifty 5:38 PM - 29 November, 2007
Because the radio station cant read the dancefloor? and its better to have somewhere there than not? Its like how sound techs get paid like 500$ a night just to sit around and make sure the PA system doesnt blow up

no offense but thats pretty dumb...

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so in your terms.... why should a club pay you when they can just put on a radio station and have music for free?
ImShifty 5:40 PM - 29 November, 2007
What Im trying to say is the song and the video are 2 different royalties are they not?
dj disturbed 5:47 PM - 29 November, 2007
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What Im trying to say is the song and the video are 2 different royalties are they not?


im agreeing with you 100%... im talking to the original poster who posted that. Yeah the radio cant read the dance floor (but neither can most DJ's around here for that matter) but THATS what the CLUB dj's are getting paid to do, so apply that to the original post, yeah you already have the music as audio, BUT the audio production cost are one thing, they have to spend alot more to produce the vid for the song on top of what was already spent on the audio production.... thats what the video producers are paid to do.. make a video, Thats why we pay extra to get the video of the songs just like the clubs pay extra to have a live dj to play to the crowd eventhough they already paid fees to be allowed to play the music.
ImShifty 5:49 PM - 29 November, 2007
oh sorry bro
cMo 10:01 PM - 29 November, 2007
I didn't have time to read this whole thread, and I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but Promo Only has a great music video DVD service for DJz. They also have back catalogs in stock, so I'm sure it would be pretty easy to compile all the music videos you want, just order the DVD's from Promo Only, rip them to a big hard drive, and work a few ctrl-f searches in SSL and ctrl-r ctrl-x ctrl-v them into some new folders for your hand picked videos.
DJ Mad Matt 7:08 AM - 4 December, 2007
FYI ... For those of you that are starting their video collection and dont want to spend all the time it takes to rip from DVD, ScreenPlay Offers all their series in mpeg2 format as well as DVD. Give Doug Howard a call over there if you have any questions with how they are ripped. www.screenplayvj.com
DJ-A 5:58 PM - 4 December, 2007
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FYI ... For those of you that are starting their video collection and dont want to spend all the time it takes to rip from DVD, ScreenPlay Offers all their series in mpeg2 format as well as DVD. Give Doug Howard a call over there if you have any questions with how they are ripped. www.screenplayvj.com


i didnt see prices anywhere... do you know what the $$$ is?
marx 10:06 PM - 4 December, 2007
its about $30 a month per subscription
DJ-A 10:24 PM - 4 December, 2007
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its about $30 a month per subscription


do you know enough to compare it to promo only or ERG?
lvmez 10:30 PM - 4 December, 2007
any subscription you get for videos is going to be about the same price($30). Someone needs to start a video pool that gives you a choice to buy invidual videos or monthly subscription that's a little cheaper.
Dj Silver Glass 11:06 PM - 4 December, 2007
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Someone needs to start a video pool that gives you a choice to buy invidual videos or monthly subscription that's a little cheaper.


i was looking a cinemanow.com but there is no info on the quality... :(


does anyone know the quality of videos from itunes????
marx 8:27 AM - 5 December, 2007
they look good. but all these video companys serve THE music video which sometimes have sound efffects & movie clips/ skits in the middle.

pools will change the game soon enough.


itunes videos are crap...they might look okay on a tv...but it will look like shit when u put it on a projector. don't waste your time. think of itunes videos as the same thing as playing a 80k mp3 in the club. exactly. u don't want to waste your time.
DJ Czar 2:59 AM - 8 December, 2007
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itunes videos are crap...they might look okay on a tv...but it will look like shit when u put it on a projector. don't waste your time. think of itunes videos as the same thing as playing a 80k mp3 in the club. exactly. u don't want to waste your time.

iTunes videos are some of the higher quality videos available. I'm doing contract work for them now at a post house, and I can tell you their specs are very strict. All of their content is full NTSC square pixel res (horizontal resolution is always 640, vertical depends on the clip's aspect ratio.) They also use some of the best masters avaiable. While Promo Only runs their encodes off a lot of poor BetaSP dubs, iTunes almost always requests the more expensive Digibeta.

The only problem with iTunes thought is the DRM... Can't really play the videos in anything other than iTunes/iPod/iPhone/AppleTV... But as far as just background non beatmatched sets go, iTunes is one of the best sources. And they get their stuff up a LOT earlier than Promo Only does. Even with PO's weekly Express Video service.
dj disturbed 3:11 AM - 8 December, 2007
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itunes videos are crap...they might look okay on a tv...but it will look like shit when u put it on a projector. don't waste your time. think of itunes videos as the same thing as playing a 80k mp3 in the club. exactly. u don't want to waste your time.

iTunes videos are some of the higher quality videos available. I'm doing contract work for them now at a post house, and I can tell you their specs are very strict. All of their content is full NTSC square pixel res (horizontal resolution is always 640, vertical depends on the clip's aspect ratio.) They also use some of the best masters avaiable. While Promo Only runs their encodes off a lot of poor BetaSP dubs, iTunes almost always requests the more expensive Digibeta.

The only problem with iTunes thought is the DRM... Can't really play the videos in anything other than iTunes/iPod/iPhone/AppleTV... But as far as just background non beatmatched sets go, iTunes is one of the best sources. And they get their stuff up a LOT earlier than Promo Only does. Even with PO's weekly Express Video service.

but likeyou said.... they are DRM'ed.... meaning not usable in SSVL when it comes out......
Maskrider 6:02 AM - 8 December, 2007
I'll just wait until the Serato Team Drops a legit Quality info on this Video madness coz I'm all confused.
lvmez 11:15 AM - 8 December, 2007
the problem with itunes isn't quality of video but the quality of sound. they rip sound at 128kps or less.
AdamJay 10:16 PM - 15 December, 2007
128k AAC, that is. which sounds like 160 to 192k mp3. depending on the song, of course.
Josh 2:03 AM - 18 December, 2007
*moved to VIDEO-SL discussion*

some great info guys, keep it coming :-)
DJ Lique 6:54 AM - 18 December, 2007
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well some of you will be using other products to play them.... It's not a trap, just trying to drum up interest in video before it drops...

Anyone building a library of videos in preparation? Where do you get them? straight from labels?


I have been prepping my library since 2000 around 2003 I began with MPEG1 at 320x240, in 2005 moved to MPEG2 640x480, for awhile I was trying to get specific codec questions from the beta team that went unanswered until now. Had I known that it would support MPPEG4 I would have began dual encoding formats for the preparation. My current propiertary process takes about 10 hours from start to finish for a single PromoOnly Hot Video DVD. Including ripping, encoding, tagging, labeling and backing up for MegaSeg (a mac DJ automation product).

Since Scratch is still having issues with the AAC BPM field I am curious how they will develop other tags. I wanted to have something in place that would be easily readable by Scratch but now that is not posible.

I have been told that Serato is working on their own video download service [feel free to delete this if it is still confidential at this point].

ScreenPlay has offered digital video content for quite sometime now, I dropped around $2K with them when they first hit and have had some issues in the past that to this point have never been resolved. I would like to sell off my master collection of them at this point but I think there is a licensing issue. They may have improved their quality control from when I received them. (I'll probably receive a nasty-gram after this post). They're good guys but music videos are not their core business. They produce the videos you see at places like Blockbuster, Footlocker, etc. The DVDs on the other hand are awesome. I have been trying to switch out my digital content for DVDs for awhile now with no luck.

Both PromoOnly and ScreenPlay are the top dogs in the video business. Companies like Rockola, VMS Media, etc pop up here and there but go away for lack of sales or legal issues. Hell I have DVDs and VHS tapes from companies like ETV & Wolfram video. I'd be impressed if anyone even remembers those companies. They were merged/purchased by PromoOnly and some ex-staff works for ScreenPlay.

FYI the video content from TM Century and ERG is all ScreenPlay.
DJ Lique 6:57 AM - 18 December, 2007
Another think to remember is nearly all of your subscriber agreements (Promo Only, ScreenPlay, ERG, Jones TM) state that you do not OWN the content, they're granting you a license and can technically revoke it at any time.
djtripp 8:16 PM - 18 December, 2007
I have ETV DVDs as well Lique
marx 10:26 PM - 18 December, 2007
what exactly is etv?

i've seen some around before.
D-Twizzle 10:47 PM - 18 December, 2007
i have a couple etv videos, most of them were edm videos.
marx 10:57 PM - 18 December, 2007
but who do they come from? any websites dvds?
marx 10:58 PM - 18 December, 2007
did some google:

club.promoonly.com

etv was like promo only. then they merged.
djmelny 5:55 AM - 20 December, 2007
ITUNES video they suck....dont waste ur money...I was actually thing about opening a video pool....but it takes alots of work...Im working with the webdesigner and my attorney to make it official sooo keep update...Just wondering how manny people do you think will be willing to participate....ball figure..
marx 8:21 AM - 20 December, 2007
wow. no joke i've seen 4 dj video pools pop up already. this is crazy.
Dj onyx 12:18 PM - 20 December, 2007
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ITUNES video they suck....dont waste ur money...I was actually thing about opening a video pool....but it takes alots of work...Im working with the webdesigner and my attorney to make it official sooo keep update...Just wondering how manny people do you think will be willing to participate....ball figure..


I'm interested, as long as you have the original version with 32 beat intro.
djmelny 3:24 PM - 20 December, 2007
Im gonna have the Originals...Im might have it in 2 different formats...WMV and MPG-4....I have the final word by wednesday next week....
djsteel 1:39 AM - 21 December, 2007
Marx what are the 4 video pools you've seen pop up?
marx 2:35 AM - 21 December, 2007
steel i'll get banned if i post that.

i'm going to be calling you tomorrow or sat anyway. we'll talk then.

can i get a number 40?
djsteel 10:01 AM - 21 December, 2007
It was 20 bro! you can't post Pools? why not. Isn't that a legal way of obtaining content? I'm confused.
dj disturbed 4:40 PM - 21 December, 2007
b/c alot of the pools are not legal pools. Remember VJing with music vids is still fairly new to music the scene. and it takes an ACT of GOD to get the music companies to realize new things and the needs of the DJ's to help promote them. (just look on how long it taking them to move things over to the online, digital way to selling music). So right now you wont find many LEGAL Video pools for DJ's to use b/c there is no HIGH demand for the music companies to sell music vids, so why promote music vids using DJ's like they use DJ to promote the audio songs (wich is what regular record pools are for)
djmelny 5:29 PM - 21 December, 2007
its very hard and expensive to get the release signature (Music Videos)...I have this connection over at MTV thats how i get my videos....here is the trick...Croklyn clan...they sell rmx song but when u sign up with them they say the payment u doing is a donation....that how they get away...Now my attorney told me there is a way for me to put up the website with music videos and start up with out any complications....like I said i should have something solid by wednesday night....ATTN I NEED TO COLLECT AS MANNY EMAILS AS POSIBLE..thank u guys Happy Holidays
DJ-A 5:47 PM - 21 December, 2007
i heard that remixing without permission of the owner of the song is illegal
marx 6:46 PM - 21 December, 2007
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i heard that remixing without permission of the owner of the song is illegal


yep
DJ-A 6:49 PM - 21 December, 2007
so with that said... croklyn clan is also illegal.... all these laws get confusing... turns the mentality to, what can i do and not get in trouble for
dj disturbed 7:20 PM - 21 December, 2007
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.here is the trick...Croklyn clan...they sell rmx song but when u sign up with them they say the payment u doing is a donation....


that is false... its still illegal unless you get permission from the record labels to do it. And its NOT a donation ifyou HAVE to pay it to get the tracks, its till selling no matter how you word it, a donation is volintary not mandatory, someone said befor that not true though b/c of the raffel tickets things. But if you ever do but some tickets like that, they are still SELLING THEM, they just donate the money to a non-profit charity after that.
djsteel 9:07 PM - 21 December, 2007
Yeah that donation thing would actually work if you were allowed to download the track without having to pay, but thats not possible.
DJ Richard 1:41 AM - 24 December, 2007
For PRACTICE RUNS i get everything from YouTube or another site and Tube Sock the vids!!! I can play and practice with dem..ITS FREE AND EASY and I can Find almost anything I need... I Would never Play YouTube vids in a Club, I use regular DVD'S but at a Private HOME party ... Perhaps :)
dj disturbed 3:56 PM - 24 December, 2007
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For PRACTICE RUNS i get everything from YouTube or another site and Tube Sock the vids!!! I can play and practice with dem..ITS FREE AND EASY and I can Find almost anything I need... I Would never Play YouTube vids in a Club, I use regular DVD'S but at a Private HOME party ... Perhaps :)


they said LEGAL places to get MV, getting them off you tube is NOT legal!
eye357 6:49 PM - 24 December, 2007
Still don't have VSL working but when I do, will I be able to record my mix video set as I am able to record a mix audio session. Can I mix two videos on VSL and record it then look it up and play that mixed video?
djsteel 7:55 PM - 24 December, 2007
I'm shocked and offended that people are on this forum talking about how they steal content on Christmas Eve!
DJ Grandpa 8:14 PM - 24 December, 2007
>djsteel. I never liked DJ that download mp3 (even cracked software) and play at clubs or other events. In some cases you can here that it's downloded (like 128k MP3) but with video it's more ovius.

At the club I'm recident we have running video for 3 years now, and a few DJ's wanna play here and saying they have video, but turns out it's recoded from TV, with channel logo and bad sound.

Here is a "great" example on how not to do, look at 10 sec inot the video (promo for some DJ company) look at top right of the videoscreen, seen that logo before... Watchwww.youtube.com
marknonsense1 9:06 PM - 24 December, 2007
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>djsteel. I never liked DJ that download mp3 (even cracked software) and play at clubs or other events. In some cases you can here that it's downloded (like 128k MP3) but with video it's more ovius.

At the club I'm recident we have running video for 3 years now, and a few DJ's wanna play here and saying they have video, but turns out it's recoded from TV, with channel logo and bad sound.

Here is a "great" example on how not to do, look at 10 sec inot the video (promo for some DJ company) look at top right of the videoscreen, seen that logo before... Watchwww.youtube.com




lol... I feel you on that.
djsteel 9:51 PM - 24 December, 2007
I sent him a message.
eye357 1:21 AM - 25 December, 2007
Hey Dj Steel, can you please answer my question if u can about mixing the video on 57 can I record that video mix and replay that later. thanks. As far as cats with videos with logos, I've been buying wax since 1980. I'm old school and there's just STILL alot of bitters out there.LOL......
DJBIGWIZ 6:16 AM - 25 December, 2007
*eye357, you can't record video with the Serato video plugin. You would need to split your video output with a distribution amp and run one of the outputs to a video recorder of some sort. Then you could use a program to encode it to run on Serato.
djsteel 6:33 AM - 25 December, 2007
I use a separate computer with a thing called a Dazzle.
Deejay Z 7:59 AM - 25 December, 2007
I commented on his youtube not to charge clients if he is gonna steal the music...too funny
eye357 3:39 PM - 25 December, 2007
Where can I get Dazzle djsteel, yo steel how can I get at you, I need some advice on some specs.....let me know...help a nig.a out!
DJ Lique 5:11 PM - 25 December, 2007
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what exactly is etv?

i've seen some around before.


They were merged with Promo Only, their most famous product was called the Platinum Series, a 40 CD collection for wedding DJs. They faced a $500,000.00 fine for the product and all copies in the market were Grandfathered in (I'm lucky to own several original sets).

www.riaa.com

There are some ETV DVDs here and there on eBay, but technically any video content you get off ebay and not from the original licensor (i.e. ETV or Promo) is breaking the subscriber agreements (kind of a grey zone). Besides you never know if the guy on eBay is selling a crappy, compressed copy.
DJ Lique 5:31 PM - 25 December, 2007
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b/c alot of the pools are not legal pools. Remember VJing with music vids is still fairly new to music the scene. and it takes an ACT of GOD to get the music companies to realize new things and the needs of the DJ's to help promote them. (just look on how long it taking them to move things over to the online, digital way to selling music). So right now you wont find many LEGAL Video pools for DJ's to use b/c there is no HIGH demand for the music companies to sell music vids, so why promote music vids using DJ's like they use DJ to promote the audio songs (wich is what regular record pools are for)


Promo Only and Screen Play are legit and the only DIGITAL source for legit videos (as of writing this) is ScreenPlay, but they are still delivered on DVD-R. No one can legally offer digital video downloads yet (except Apple, but DRM makes them un-useable, plus the iTunes EULA says no professional use).

There are things coming. These guys starting their "video pool" websites are going to have some fun in court. I love the "I don't charge, its a donation" defense. Next time your buddy gets busted for selling weed have him tell the cop, "But officer, I wasn't charging for the weed, I was just taking a donation!"
DJ Lique 5:35 PM - 25 December, 2007
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its very hard and expensive to get the release signature (Music Videos)...I have this connection over at MTV thats how i get my videos....here is the trick...Croklyn clan...they sell rmx song but when u sign up with them they say the payment u doing is a donation....that how they get away...Now my attorney told me there is a way for me to put up the website with music videos and start up with out any complications....like I said i should have something solid by wednesday night....ATTN I NEED TO COLLECT AS MANNY EMAILS AS POSIBLE..thank u guys Happy Holidays


I would hire a new attorney, one that specializes in copyright law. Where is your master content from, directly from the label? or off of a DVD from a source like Promo Only/ScreenPlay?
DJ Lique 5:58 PM - 25 December, 2007
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I'm shocked and offended that people are on this forum talking about how they steal content on Christmas Eve!


Bravo. Steel loved the fact that you pimped Promo Only first off. I would have lost total respect it it started with "alright I got this track hot off of youtube". ;) Just curious how you would take it if someone in your area was promoting the fact they did video and they had no legit content since you are spending $100/mo on Express?

I don't even do Express, (but would love to except it would cause me duplicated releases). I'm currently doing Hot Video, Club Video, Urban Video, Country Video, Pop-Mix Video, and Hot Video Classics.

Nice video demo by the way on YouTube, answered a bunch of my questions. So for the next hair style, ya gotta do the Serato Logo on the sides. ;)
eye357 6:15 PM - 25 December, 2007
Damn I finally got the effect to work in the middle screen of VSL with the fader but still only white screens....I truly hope these are only bugs and not me. I hate windows xp...................
djsteel 6:30 PM - 25 December, 2007
Hey eye357 Pm me bro. I'll help you with whatever I can.
eye357 8:30 PM - 25 December, 2007
I'm not gonna lie Steel My specs are
Hp pavilion dv1000 Intel Celeron
Processor 1.50 Ghz
504 MB ram
OS XP
I know thats not the required specs to run VSL but hey you on the demo on youtube
proves you gots to try. I mean the Sl program runs perfect and fast. I install the
demo VSL and everything comes up but I only get audio. the video effects work with my 57 fader but still just white screens. And I'm gonna sound real stupid right now
Steel..what does PM mean. yeah i'm a new to computers. F... it bring 8 tracks back. help me though..Peace.
D-Twizzle 9:24 PM - 25 December, 2007
those specs won't cut it for sure brotha, you're gonna need a new/newer pc.
eye357 10:13 PM - 25 December, 2007
LOL...well for now they run SL great damn, I thought I could get away with it for VSL...can't hate me for trying though!
eye357 10:17 PM - 25 December, 2007
D-TWIZZLE what would you suggest for a low budget Dj like me. I mean I really do this for me. I'm not really in clubs do gigs sometimes. I just really like to spin, ya know. I'm gonna get a mac. o you think what djsteel ran in his youtube video good enough and simple.
djsteel 1:42 AM - 26 December, 2007
whats up man! A PM means Private Message. Hit me up privately man. Yeah you need a better computer. Go for a PC core Duo with at least a 2 ghz processor speed 2 gb ram and try for 256 mb dedicated video ram. I've seen em on craigslist for under $500.00
eye357 2:16 AM - 26 December, 2007
That's what's up Steel. thanks for the info.....
djsteel 2:33 AM - 26 December, 2007
Hell yeah none of us are rich! My bad I take that back if AM is looking at this then yeah one of us is. lol Most of aren't rich so a budget is important bro. If you have troubles finding something let me know I'll look on Ebay for you.
djmelny 7:12 AM - 26 December, 2007
There are things coming. These guys starting their "video pool" websites are going to have some fun in court. I love the "I don't charge, its a donation" defense. Next time your buddy gets busted for selling weed have him tell the cop, "But officer, I wasn't charging for the weed, I was just taking a donation!"

Well yeah ... thats why I need to do research before...tell me how croklynclan gets away with their stuff....I bet u no body in this Forum Knows why.....!!!
djmelny 7:13 AM - 26 December, 2007
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I'm shocked and offended that people are on this forum talking about how they steal content on Christmas Eve!


Bravo. Steel loved the fact that you pimped Promo Only first off. I would have lost total respect it it started with "alright I got this track hot off of youtube". ;) Just curious how you would take it if someone in your area was promoting the fact they did video and they had no legit content since you are spending $100/mo on Express?

I don't even do Express, (but would love to except it would cause me duplicated releases). I'm currently doing Hot Video, Club Video, Urban Video, Country Video, Pop-Mix Video, and Hot Video Classics.

Nice video demo by the way on YouTube, answered a bunch of my questions. So for the next hair style, ya gotta do the Serato Logo on the sides. ;)


Well yeah ... thats why I need to do research before...tell me how croklynclan gets away with their stuff....I bet u no body in this Forum Knows why.....!!!
djsteel 7:50 AM - 26 December, 2007
I do. If you notice something about there site recently it's changed a bit in how you access it. I know why that happened too. DJmelny how do you know the video pool isn't legal? There are already a few that are very much legal, why do you automatically assume that it's illegal? I love promo only but I know how to get all the same videos for free legally as well. So do a lot of other. If you contact the group I'm talking about to form a pool for a group of working dj's like Bumsquad or Core. Don't you think that the labels like that? we are all working together here bro, Labels don't want to charge DJ's that get their music out there, They would rather give you everything you need to promote their product which includes video. Seriously bro it's not all doom and gloom, honestly DJ's getting free content is the last thing on anyones mind first they will bust college kids, Bars. Clubs, and pretty much everyone but us. I can think of only one example of a DJ getting popped for this. That dude was making serious cash off the mix tapes though. They want to give you their product so you play it and others buy it. That doesn't make it ok to Steal content but it does bring up this question.

What is the quickest easiest way to obtain legal content. Right now theres not one definite answer to that question but all the best ways have been posted here. I've seen em. So anyone wanting to do it the right way has the knowledge to do so. Others no matter what we say will do it wrong and a ton of them will never get caught. Most probably will never get caught. I know I will sleep better at night knowing thats not me and that I have everything I need to do my job right, right at the tip of my fingers.

It all comes down to the question of how serious are about your career. How you answer that question determines what category you fit in. See me I'm planning on being one of the godfathers of video mixing that will form the style and set a standard of professionalism. I plan on being one of the best there ever was. I dedicated my life, ever waking second to being better then every other Video DJ I see. To come to my shows with something more entertaining, higher energy, better produced, better executed, and delivered with such a style that any other video Dj seeing it will be like, Oh shit thats gotta be Steel. I want most Video DJ's to be like: Wow I wish I could do that, and I want a couple to think I can do that. This is where I put myself. Its up to you where you see yourself.
When all is said and done where we get our content will be a very small part in determining how big we each become at this, but i know one thing I'll be the first to tell a club owner that a DJ will get his bar shut down if I know that guy has stolen content, trust me I know what to look for. So it up to everyone individually to figure out where they want to be when guys like me come around to take all the good jobs. Lol
djmelny 8:02 AM - 26 December, 2007
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I do. If you notice something about there site recently it's changed a bit in how you access it. I know why that happened too. DJmelny how do you know the video pool isn't legal? There are already a few that are very much legal, why do you automatically assume that it's illegal? I love promo only but I know how to get all the same videos for free legally as well. So do a lot of other. If you contact the group I'm talking about to form a pool for a group of working dj's like Bumsquad or Core. Don't you think that the labels like that? we are all working together here bro, Labels don't want to charge DJ's that get their music out there, They would rather give you everything you need to promote their product which includes video. Seriously bro it's not all doom and gloom, honestly DJ's getting free content is the last thing on anyones mind first they will bust college kids, Bars. Clubs, and pretty much everyone but us. I can think of only one example of a DJ getting popped for this. That dude was making serious cash off the mix tapes though. They want to give you their product so you play it and others buy it. That doesn't make it ok to Steal content but it does bring up this question.

What is the quickest easiest way to obtain legal content. Right now theres not one definite answer to that question but all the best ways have been posted here. I've seen em. So anyone wanting to do it the right way has the knowledge to do so. Others no matter what we say will do it wrong and a ton of them will never get caught. Most probably will never get caught. I know I will sleep better at night knowing thats not me and that I have everything I need to do my job right, right at the tip of my fingers.

It all comes down to the question of how serious are about your career. How you answer that question determines what category you fit in. See me I'm planning on being one of the godfathers of video mixing that will form the style and set a standard of professionalism. I plan on being one of the best there ever was. I dedicated my life, ever waking second to being better then every other Video DJ I see. To come to my shows with something more entertaining, higher energy, better produced, better executed, and delivered with such a style that any other video Dj seeing it will be like, Oh shit thats gotta be Steel. I want most Video DJ's to be like: Wow I wish I could do that, and I want a couple to think I can do that. This is where I put myself. Its up to you where you see yourself.
When all is said and done where we get our content will be a very small part in determining how big we each become at this, but i know one thing I'll be the first to tell a club owner that a DJ will get his bar shut down if I know that guy has stolen content, trust me I know what to look for. So it up to everyone individually to figure out where they want to be when guys like me come around to take all the good jobs. Lol


hey thanks for the info....but Iam not trying to get rich over this Im trying to help Vj out there thats all...Trying to make it easy for them i sold my company to GooGle 3 years ago...I know about copyrights and all that bS!@#....Im trying to look at the big picture...buy a video that you want for a fair price.....not a dvd for $30 and only used 10 videos even less thats all.....SOOOOO I WANT ALL THE FEEDBACK I CAN GET FROM YOU GUYS THANKS U
djsteel 8:12 AM - 26 December, 2007
Me too man if I didn't care about trying to make us all better as a community then I'd keep everything I've learned to myself.
D-Twizzle 8:19 AM - 26 December, 2007
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It all comes down to the question of how serious are about your career. How you answer that question determines what category you fit in. See me I'm planning on being one of the godfathers of video mixing that will form the style and set a standard of professionalism. I plan on being one of the best there ever was. I dedicated my life, ever waking second to being better then every other Video DJ I see. To come to my shows with something more entertaining, higher energy, better produced, better executed, and delivered with such a style that any other video Dj seeing it will be like, Oh shit thats gotta be Steel. I want most Video DJ's to be like: Wow I wish I could do that, and I want a couple to think I can do that. This is where I put myself. Its up to you where you see yourself.

Steel, We need to get together and get it poppin! I need to hang around more VJs that have big visions and want to do big things like me. Holla if you ever come up to Seattle, we can do a video show together at one of my spots.
eye357 1:45 PM - 26 December, 2007
IT's a wild topic and steel I think this forum just had a moment with your speech there..lol. but I feel you, it's cool to know djs (like you) are out willing to help out other djs and guide them in the right direction. But if you and D_twizzle plan something let me know, I'll help out any way I can. I'm here on the eastcoast
north new jersey...Soprano land heh-heh. Peace. oh yeah, anyone with a macbook pro for sale holla at me....a cheap one though!
lvmez 2:32 PM - 26 December, 2007
i have a pretty good laptop(pc) that's powerful enough(2.0ghz, 2gb ram, 100gb hard drive) but i think i'm gonna get a macbook pro for the graphics. i just want it to run as smooth as possible.
marx 5:35 PM - 26 December, 2007
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we are all working together here bro, Labels don't want to charge DJ's that get their music out there, They would rather give you everything you need to promote their product which includes video. Seriously bro it's not all doom and gloom, honestly DJ's getting free content is the last thing on anyones mind first they will bust college kids, Bars. Clubs, and pretty much everyone but us.


Exactly what i've been saying for the longest. This is the reality
Dj Nyce 5:53 PM - 26 December, 2007
haven't tried the videosl yet. no ttm57sl (cry). but i have a toshiba tecra m5. it's a 2.0 ghz centrino duo with 2gb of ram. the video card is an nvidia quadro nvs 110m.

total available graphics memory: 895 MB
dedicated video memory: 128 MB
Shared system memory: 767 MB
bus: PCI Express x16

gut feeling, do you think it has the specs for video (full effects)?
djsteel 6:42 PM - 26 December, 2007
eye357 Thanks bro I'm down to DJ on the East Coast! Hell Yeah! I'll PM you and keep if off the books. I'll keep my management company out of this one. They like to jack up the fees.
djsteel 6:43 PM - 26 December, 2007
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haven't tried the videosl yet. no ttm57sl (cry). but i have a toshiba tecra m5. it's a 2.0 ghz centrino duo with 2gb of ram. the video card is an nvidia quadro nvs 110m.

total available graphics memory: 895 MB
dedicated video memory: 128 MB
Shared system memory: 767 MB
bus: PCI Express x16

gut feeling, do you think it has the specs for video (full effects)?


That should do it!
DJ Lil Vito 6:58 PM - 26 December, 2007
Here's my biggest gripe with Promo Only, it's not the money (I've been a video subscriber since '02) but the watermark. I don't want the screen credits showing up while I'm mixing. And Steel, you and I have similar visions. Do something big, and do it RIGHT.
djsteel 7:10 PM - 26 December, 2007
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the watermarks, but it server a purpose for you. It proves that you got that video in a legal way, as long as you have the dvds with you, your good.

I have been know to remove the waternarks though.
DJ Lil Vito 8:00 PM - 26 December, 2007
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I have been know to remove the waternarks though.


Myself being new to video editing I've got to ask, is this an easy task?
nik39 9:31 PM - 26 December, 2007
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They were merged with Promo Only, their most famous product was called the Platinum Series, a 40 CD collection for wedding DJs. They faced a $500,000.00 fine for the product and all copies in the market were Grandfathered in (I'm lucky to own several original sets).

www.riaa.com

There are some ETV DVDs here and there on eBay, but technically any video content you get off ebay and not from the original licensor (i.e. ETV or Promo) is breaking the subscriber agreements (kind of a grey zone). Besides you never know if the guy on eBay is selling a crappy, compressed copy.


Good read...

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The Platinum Series is similar to many other compilation series that are on the market -- and the RIAA is actively pursuing several of them. In many instances, the manufacturers and distributors of the compilations defend the lack of copyright licenses on the grounds that the compilations are promotional for the record companies, or sold exclusively to DJs for promotional purposes. "Arguments that these types of compilations are promotional and therefore exempt from copyright law are ludicrous," said Steve D'Onofrio, RIAA executive vice president and director of anti-piracy. "These infringements are generally well established hits by top artists. Does "Twist and Shout" by the Beatles still need promoting?"
nik39 9:33 PM - 26 December, 2007
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Exactly what i've been saying for the longest. This is the reality.

This is also reality:

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There are things coming. These guys starting their "video pool" websites are going to have some fun in court. I love the "I don't charge, its a donation" defense. Next time your buddy gets busted for selling weed have him tell the cop, "But officer, I wasn't charging for the weed, I was just taking a donation!"

Haha :)
djsteel 11:04 PM - 26 December, 2007
Yeah editing is pretty easy man.
DJ Lil Vito 11:41 PM - 26 December, 2007
I just bought a copy of Final Cut Express... I think I need to buy one of those tutoring DVDs.
djsteel 12:41 AM - 27 December, 2007
Nah its pretty easy.
tehBEN 4:48 AM - 27 December, 2007
exclusivegrooves record pool also offers videos for VDJs:

www.exclusivegrooves.com

-ben
Matt G 10:16 PM - 27 December, 2007
With websites that are distributing music or videos, the "donations" line tells us that they don't have legal permission to distribute the music or videos. But keep in mind also that even if they weren't charging any money at all, they would still be distributing the music or videos illegally. Taking money puts them at risk of greater punishment if anyone takes action against them, but without taking money they are still committing a crime, and so are you if you receive copyrighted material from them. Although of course the lawyers would go after the distributors well before they'd go after the people receiving.
eye357 11:19 PM - 27 December, 2007
The law is crazy. If you read the law, it is against the law to BUY a cd then record a copy to give to your friend for free. that's illegal. why, they want to get paid,,,no other reason. it's a real gray area. they pick and choose the violators. hey, fly low and under the radar. but once you start selling, posting on youtube, doing big clubs, hey you put that bullseye on yourself. wasn't it dj kid capri that got smash back when he was pushing mad mixed tapes. once he got big he got smashed.
djsteel 2:11 AM - 28 December, 2007
New video on youtube. Watchwww.youtube.com Check it out.
DJ-A 2:27 AM - 28 December, 2007
i like!
Matt G 2:31 AM - 28 December, 2007
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The law is crazy. If you read the law, it is against the law to BUY a cd then record a copy to give to your friend for free.


eye357, that's not crazy, that's sensible. If you sell something to someone you don't sell them the right to give it away free to everyone else. Anyone else that wants it should have to buy it too. Otherwise you would sell one copy and that copy would get copied multiple times and end up in the hands of lots of people, but all you actually got paid for was *one* copy. If you were the one who made that music you'd be pissed off.
eye357 3:06 AM - 28 December, 2007
I understand that Matt but, you have a cassette tape or wax, and now you get a new car...guess what it's only a cd player. you mean to tell me i' can't burn the cassette tape to a cd so i can play it in my car!!! I paid for it now I have to pay for it again. Yeah that's what happen with the cd era..now mp3 era...how many times do i have to pay for the same exact product. thats my point. The law states i can not duplicate it even if it's for my own purpose and i bought. they got me twice...cassette to cd and mp3s. come on now. who doing who here.
DJ-A 3:21 AM - 28 December, 2007
its about the distubuting something you bought to someone who has not purchased it. you have no rights to distrubute anything unless you made the song yourself.
Matt G 3:44 AM - 28 December, 2007
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I understand that Matt but, you have a cassette tape or wax, and now you get a new car...guess what it's only a cd player. you mean to tell me i' can't burn the cassette tape to a cd so i can play it in my car!!!


eye357, you said "record a copy to give to your friend for free". That's quite different from wanting to make a copy for yourself to use in a different player. The former is making a copy to give to someone else, which means a lost sale for the music producers. The latter is just you using the music you paid for, which I agree, we should be allowed to do.

The fair use laws for making personal copies for use in different players vary between countries, but many make exceptions for the scenario you're describing.
eye357 2:03 PM - 28 December, 2007
Matt I'm getting a macbook pro, but I realized I can't find the sl cd. I first installed it on windows now I'm gonna need it for a mac. I have the ttm57 mixer. what can i do to load the macbook? I just can't seem to find where I place the SL CD! help
jbunks 4:30 PM - 28 December, 2007
You can download everything you need from here I believe:

www.scratchlive.net
DJ Lique 7:57 PM - 28 December, 2007
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The law is crazy. If you read the law, it is against the law to BUY a cd then record a copy to give to your friend for free.


I'm sure Serato would be fine with everyone buying ONE copy of Scratch then copying it for all their friends.... Oh thats right it requires a $500 hardware dongle to make it work. RIAA Dumb, Serato Smart. (just bustin' balls)
DJ Lique 8:07 PM - 28 December, 2007
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I understand that Matt but, you have a cassette tape or wax, and now you get a new car...guess what it's only a cd player. you mean to tell me i' can't burn the cassette tape to a cd so i can play it in my car!!! I paid for it now I have to pay for it again. Yeah that's what happen with the cd era..now mp3 era...how many times do i have to pay for the same exact product. thats my point. The law states i can not duplicate it even if it's for my own purpose and i bought. they got me twice...cassette to cd and mp3s. come on now. who doing who here.


This is a long drawn out touchy subject. Technically you purchased an ANALOG recording on Vinyl and Tape you don't have rights to the Digital Version. Using the excuse, I own the record so I went on Kazaa and downloaded the song I already own doesn't hold water in the eyes of the law.

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The fair use laws for making personal copies for use in different players vary between countries, but many make exceptions for the scenario you're describing.


The fair use law pertains to PERSONAL use, not to anything you ever use in a business, club, etc. We pinned down an RIAA spokesperson (who was very cool) one time and grilled him on a bunch of stuff, He explained why it was TECHNICALLY illegal to do that they weren't going to go hunt you down. If you are using a "backup" and your buddy is using another "backup" thats when they get pissed. Or one DJ Company copying all the music to multiple systems. They wanted to ban MP3 encoding for awhile, they still don't like it.

The RIAA is very reasonable but if you do cross them they can smack you down, like the single mom ordered to pay $220,000 for 24 (TWENTY-FOUR!) songs. Link to article:

www.macworld.co.uk
djmelny 4:52 PM - 2 January, 2008
Hey Guys here is the final word on the Video Pool Need 50K to Get everything start up thats paying the copyrights and everything..basically the label want like a down payment them a percentage....now I dont know if is worth putting 50K....soo At This point dont know...status !!!!Unknow!!!!
Dj onyx 8:12 PM - 2 January, 2008
I would get somebody involve on this and make it as a corporation. 50K is a lot of money if your not sure if you wanna do it or not. For some peeps this will be a chance to invest on.
marx 12:30 AM - 3 January, 2008
hmm. okaay. so what is that 10k a label? just really curious how u got these type of answers from all the major labels & pulishers over the holidays.
Razor 1:56 AM - 3 January, 2008
Handbreak is how I rip all of my videos. It is free to download. Very easy to use. It's for both Mac or pc.
You can choose what % you want to rip it & you have a few choices f format to choose from.
eye357 2:09 AM - 3 January, 2008
how do you choose the % in nhandbrake trying to figure that out only want certain chapters on a dvd.
djmelny 4:33 AM - 6 January, 2008
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hmm. okaay. so what is that 10k a label? just really curious how u got these type of answers from all the major labels & pulishers over the holidays.

its not 10k per label is basically a down payment and the a percentage....how do i get it!!!!! well if i tell you how i did it it willl be 6 months worth of work in a sentence.....dude u dont ask dj how they got their gig or their music u gotta do ur research....sometimes they give some hints here and there but....thats it.." its call networking"
marx 5:27 AM - 6 January, 2008
ha i wasn't really asking how u did it. it was more of a sarcasm thing. not dissing u but whats wrong with sarcasm. b4...not 6 months ago you brought up this pool. then during the holidays u post details. if u can make a deal over the holidays your the man (no sarcasm). If it happended b4 & u posted after okay. but during its hard to believe. Of course its not going to be 10 thousand a label. yes i typed that but it was more of a like wtf comment. So u say 50 grand to start...but the problem is you don't pay one person 50 grand. thats just how the post sounded & thats what i was pointing out. The industry isn't @ that monopoly state yet. hopefully it will never come to that.

pay x amount of dollars for 1000 track a's from label/publisher, x amount of dollars for 1000 track b's from label/publisher. But doing it this way is very costly & the return income is not enough. Theres many other investments that can be made with much more return.

good luck to ya

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" its call networking"


i've been networking b4 the 2-way days mane ;) i'm no newbie.
dj disturbed 4:56 PM - 6 January, 2008
But you see.... what you guys are talking about is a PAY-FOR service... and thats why the labels are wanting so much $. What need to start happening is a record pool like there are for audio songs, where its free and the labels are giving the video's out for free (yes on most you pay a monthly fee but thats to help pay for web space and bandwidth) THATS a record/video pool, if you have to pay per song then its NOT a record pool, its a store selling music and thats what the labels are going to make you pay all that money for... even ifyou ask for the "DONATION" per song (b/c its not realy a "DONATION" if you HAVE to pay it to get the song)
marx 6:02 PM - 6 January, 2008
thats not what i'm talking about. & also melny was tallking about a pool aswell. if it was so easy everyone would do it. theres alot to it. but i'll tell u the wheels are turning ;)
djykcor1 11:54 PM - 9 January, 2008
I love how people talk about promo only like its legal,did anybody ever read there fine print??? There about as legal as limewire.... Promo only has been scamming djs for years. Music videos are promotional use only,thats why there made in the first place,when it comes down to it,theres no such thing as an illegal video download. Do your homework and read the fine print on both sides of the book,it all says the same shit....
djykcor1 12:04 AM - 10 January, 2008
Ohh and to talk about all the people talking about making copys of there music for personal or other use,- What pisses me off is that the riaa got there head so far up there ass with all this copyright bullshit that now THEY WANNA GET PEOPLE FOR MAKING COPYS FOR THEMSELVES. if you BUY a cd,the make an MP3 COPY ON YOUR PC,thats ILLEGAL...now thats bullshit. These people need to stop worrying about stupid shit like this and focus on whats really wrong with the music industry.
marx 1:53 AM - 10 January, 2008
word.

my point of view is u can't think of yourself as a consumer. your wife, girlfriend, brother. YES they're a consumer. Not u as a dj. Different rules to go buy.
marx 1:54 AM - 10 January, 2008
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eye357 4:37 AM - 10 January, 2008
Its sad how they treat djs, these record companies. hell, it;s free advertisment for their artist. I remember back when I had to buy two records of every song so I could cut and mix it back and fourth. I guess they forgot about those days. And to top it off it was one dj who starting spinning two records to cause a new genre of music generating multi billion dollar in revenue. A nd they want to get me..for what... copying a song a bought from them. sad.
2FAST4U 5:12 AM - 10 January, 2008
yep, The music industry is trying to blame all this one hit wonder bullshit on downloading.
There aren't any albums that you can jam every song any more. Everything is about looks first and talent second. I havent heard any group in a long time and thought these guys are gonna be around for awhile.
2FAST4U 5:54 AM - 10 January, 2008
Rights of Copyright Holders
Copyright law establishes rights for both copyright holders and for purchasers of copyrighted works.

A copyright holder has five exclusive rights:

· Reproduction: The right to copy, duplicate, transcribe or imitate the work in a fixed form.

· Modification: The right to modify the work or create a new work based on an existing work.

· Distribution: The right to distribute copies of the work to the public by sale, lease, rental or loan.

· Public Performance: The right to recite, perform or play the work in a public place or transmit it to the public.

· Public Display: The right to show a copy of the work in a public place or transmit it to the public.

Anyone who violates any of these exclusive rights is considered an infringer and is subject to civil and criminal penalties.


OK, Modification would mean a remix an edit or changing the original file in any way.

Everyone on this forum is breaking the law! So why is breaking one part of the law different than another.
marx 6:50 AM - 10 January, 2008
HEHEHEHE

man been saying this forever ;)

don't forget the djs that sell mixed cds, which is targeted for consumers.

but someone will come up with some shit like 2 wrongs don't make a right.
craigg 7:30 AM - 10 January, 2008
eye357, I totally agree with you about record companies. I'll try to find a great article about things that are wrong with the record industry. I'll keep you all posted... ;)
eye357 7:17 PM - 10 January, 2008
but i do know this for sure. Once you are the feds rader u will getting a visit. But also note the music companies are after those who mass produce their product or offer a large library to the public online. most djs don't sell massive amounts of mix cds if any; we just spin the music in clubs for our own use and that is a safe place.
Dj Nyce 9:39 PM - 10 January, 2008
Quote:
yep, The music industry is trying to blame all this one hit wonder bullshit on downloading.
There aren't any albums that you can jam every song any more. Everything is about looks first and talent second. I havent heard any group in a long time and thought these guys are gonna be around for awhile.


lupe fiasco - the cool
cop it at best buy, wal-mart or wherever fine cd's are sold...

btw, fuck the riaa
djmani 3:37 AM - 13 January, 2008
hiphophits.net has music videos, 10 bucks a month unlimited tracks n vids
Deejay Z 8:41 PM - 13 January, 2008
I smell a mod coming.....

mani "LEGAL places to get music videos" is the thread
2FAST4U 4:40 AM - 15 January, 2008
I have never, ever heard of any dj getting busted for just playin tracks at a gig legal copies or other. I have all kinds of promos. i got from the radio station I work for. hell they make illegal copies all the time for their own use
marx 5:01 AM - 15 January, 2008
some people are just crazy on this site. law is one thing. I guess you have to be heavily involved in the industry to understand.
dj disturbed 8:10 PM - 15 January, 2008
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I have never, ever heard of any dj getting busted for just playin tracks at a gig legal copies or other. I have all kinds of promos. i got from the radio station I work for. hell they make illegal copies all the time for their own use


I have seen a DJ get his whole collection taken untill he could prove that he had all the originals to each cd he had burned (he made back-up copies of all his originals and used them and kept the originals in a safe place) It took him forever to get them back and drop the fines they put on him b/c of all the BS red tape shit he had to go through. It does not happen often..... but it has happened.
dj disturbed 8:14 PM - 15 January, 2008
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some people are just crazy on this site. law is one thing. I guess you have to be heavily involved in the industry to understand.


its not being crazy.. its b/c Rane/Serato works with the record industry (whitelable.net nad in other ways) and if they allow people to talk about illegal music sharing and illegal places to get music then the record companies might pull there support and/or go after rane/serato for promoting illegal file sharing
marx 10:50 PM - 15 January, 2008
i hear ya. but u can't speak for everones input. theres many many things said in the past & your like WTF is this clown. Just like anything else.
marknonsense1 2:03 AM - 20 January, 2008
is it just me or does promo only videos look a little off on a big LCD? I just got my 1st dvd and it doesn't look as good has I was hoping.


What do you guys think?
marx 3:34 AM - 20 January, 2008
its a SD signal over a hd projector or screen.

but not all the prom onlys are the best.
Demon 2:09 AM - 3 February, 2008
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Promo Only and Screen Play are legit and the only DIGITAL source for legit videos (as of writing this) is ScreenPlay


So what your saying is if your playing out with any videos besides vids from Screen Play its illegal?
djsteel 9:48 AM - 3 February, 2008
Thats not correct there are a lot more then just those two.
jbunks 11:56 AM - 3 February, 2008
By "Digital" do you mean downloads as opposed to supplied on media?
DJ James 3:00 PM - 6 March, 2008
i found a great site www.bananapeel.co.uk mp3 and videos small charge monthy
Dj_KaGeN 5:14 PM - 6 March, 2008
Sorry, we are not accepting any new registrations until further notice.
phaeton 10:32 PM - 6 March, 2008
Here you go try this...www.digirama.co.nz .....not a huge selection but its a start.
djsteel 6:53 PM - 7 March, 2008
Dude that site could come in handy some day thanks man!
Demon 7:19 PM - 9 March, 2008
Does anyone know if using vids like this is legal?

www.amazon.com
lvmez 3:00 AM - 10 March, 2008
Quote:
Does anyone know if using vids like this is legal?

www.amazon.com


nice. i wonder if it's all there videos and if it's divided by chapters? let us know if you get it.
Steve Dub. 4:01 AM - 10 March, 2008
I have that dvd, it is divided by chapters, has most of their vid.z
djsteel 7:02 PM - 10 March, 2008
Yes if you buy it its legal for you to play it.
Demon 7:44 PM - 10 March, 2008
Oh word, so you must own videos you play on DVD format. Good to know.
djsteel 12:27 AM - 11 March, 2008
Just like Music and CD's
DJ Ice 619 7:53 PM - 13 March, 2008
i get promo only videos they are at a great quality and jus say promo only for a few seconds they work great if anyone would like to trade videos let me know [email removed] is yur interested
djsteel 8:21 PM - 13 March, 2008
Hey you probably should post that bro.
lvmez 8:58 PM - 13 March, 2008
should not
Matt G 10:00 PM - 13 March, 2008
DJ Ice 619, please do not organise illegal file trading on this site. Doing so will result in you being banned. Thanks.
djsteel 9:06 PM - 14 March, 2008
That's what I meant Shouldn't
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:02 AM - 20 March, 2008
I wrote Franchise about having downloadable videos on their site, and they replied with the favorable response I was hoping for. Soon come.
DJ-Phat-AL 8:10 AM - 20 March, 2008
"Franchise" ?? is that a video service?
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:20 AM - 20 March, 2008
Record Pool
www.franchiserecordpool.com

sorry I guess I should have explained that better.

I am already a member of Franchise, rather than joining another a service I enquired about their plans. I mentioned that the videos needed to be "Serato Friendly." They said they are coming real soon. I only pay $20 a month at this time.
eye357 3:54 PM - 20 March, 2008
hey, that is a f*cking bargain i just talked to them and they will be doing videos by next month. and it's not illegal cause flex is co signing this and i doubt if he would jeopardize his career for some illegal record pool. crazy. nice tip cowboy
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:38 PM - 20 March, 2008
I do have to say that Franchise has consistently improved every month since I joined. They respond to every email I have sent within a day and even answer their phone. I joined because they were one of the few that was getting serviced by the reggae and dancehall labels, and they have tripled their output of those genres since I joined. They also have added dance music, and last week posted some seriously classic dance tunes. The quality is not always perfect, but I am way more than pleased for $20 a month. They also have added preview players, sort by genre, acapellas, Ultimate Beats and Breaks, and those ultra rare Jay-Z black album acapellas (joke).

I just sent another email stressing the importance of VSL compatibility with specific references to this site. I am sure its all good though... because, you know....Flex and Serato can't be beat.

If any of you all join now, and care to say that DJ Dub Cowboy sent ya, I will be stoked with a discount. You will be stoked with more music than you know what to do with.

Bless
Demon 4:56 PM - 20 March, 2008
Word, I was thinking of joining next month when they start servicing video. I'll be sure to drop your name.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:57 PM - 20 March, 2008
Thanks
djsteel 12:21 AM - 21 March, 2008
Thats a good price how aggressive r they on video
Demon 3:09 AM - 21 March, 2008
To my knowledge Steel they are looking to start doing video next month via download.
djsteel 10:23 AM - 21 March, 2008
cool
lvmez 2:23 PM - 21 March, 2008
i also think that 8th wonder is looking into adding videos. there new website is coming out soon. they are $10 a month. i'm the price will go up.
matt212 3:28 PM - 21 March, 2008
I wish 8th Wonder will go ahead and launch the damn thing. Getting tired of the emails saying "almost done". Either shit or get off the pot. haha
djFX303 5:22 PM - 21 March, 2008
Check out www.smashvidz.com

$47 monthly dues

mp4 format

most vids have 8bar intros n outros for e z mixing

tell em djFX303@comcast.net referred u

by the way they do call u n verify ur a workin dj/vj
nik39 5:56 PM - 21 March, 2008
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hey, that is a f*cking bargain i just talked to them and they will be doing videos by next month. and it's not illegal cause flex is co signing this and i doubt if he would jeopardize his career for some illegal record pool. crazy. nice tip cowboy

ACtually people have reported that they have found files from dodgy sources in that pool. So... there are rumours that it is not as sqeaky clean as people thought.
eye357 9:27 PM - 21 March, 2008
you are probably right nik39 but as a consumer of their service we are not legally open for any type of charges, we would be victims, if they advertise an illegal service and come to us as clean and we pay for it, hey they suffer any consequences. you know what i mean. they deceived us.
djsteel 12:29 AM - 22 March, 2008
true
Matt G 8:54 AM - 22 March, 2008
If you're aware the tracks aren't legal then you can probably be done for receiving stolen goods, or the digital equivalent.
djsteel 10:27 AM - 22 March, 2008
that makes sense
eye357 10:39 AM - 22 March, 2008
Exactly Matt G, if you are aware is the issue, in law it's ""KNowing". but if a famous commercial dj says get into my record pool you have to assume it is a legal source. Remember we are the deceived consumer.
YoungWill 9:19 PM - 22 March, 2008
Quote:
If you're aware the tracks aren't legal then you can probably be done for receiving stolen goods, or the digital equivalent.


Matt has a legitimate point here!!!
Demon 9:34 PM - 22 March, 2008
You can always play dumb. I'm still not certain whats legal and whats not. I'm a member of smash and mods recently removed a smash vids web link so I'm assuming Smash is illegal but I still haven't got a confirmation on that from a mod.
Matt G 8:10 PM - 24 March, 2008
Demon, the last time I checked SmashVidz had all the hallmarks of a bootlegging site. This time I look there's still some of the give aways that say it's not legit (things like the wording of the initial disclaimer), but they do also suggest they're getting their videos direct from the labels, which gives them more an air of credibility.

Although even if they are getting the vids from the labels, that still doesn't necessarily make them legal. Some of the labels describe the process that most record pools go through to get music from them as setup by "rogue employees" within the labels. It's a bit of a grey area.

I'd say do your due diligence and make your own call based on the facts you can find. If you're personally convinced, then that's a defence.
Demon 5:43 PM - 25 March, 2008
Gotcha, thanks for the info.
cappinkirk 9:00 PM - 26 March, 2008
how is it any more legal to buy a dvd and then encode it for public playing than it is to rent or borrow a dvd an use it for public playing? aren't both illegal? don't all dvd's have the famous fbi warning on them?
Demon 9:14 PM - 26 March, 2008
Good question. Someone told me if you own the actual DVD its all gravy, but if you netflix the movie rip and play then it's illegal.
marx 11:36 PM - 26 March, 2008
its all here say. even if u own the dvd .....what are u gonna do go home & get it to show them? Or are u going to carry around your libary so it can be up for grabs?
Matt G 10:19 PM - 27 March, 2008
I guarantee you both the DVD you've bought from a shop and the DVD you get from Netflix both come with a license that says you're not allowed to use it for public performance. Which of course sucks, and is one of those things I don't think most people care to respect.

If you get the DVD from a service designed specifically for legally providing material for public performance though (eg Promo Only, Screenplay, etc) then you'll no doubt be getting a license that allows for public performance.
DJ-Phat-AL 10:43 PM - 27 March, 2008
what about custom edits from those sources like promo only?
the version they put out aren't exactly "dj-friendly"
Matt G 10:47 PM - 27 March, 2008
You'd have to look into the terms of the Promo Only license, but I'm betting it doesn't allow for custom edits. That's usually the sort of thing that labels require you to ask specific permission for on a case by case basis. Although I could easily be wrong... I'm speculating at this point.
djsteel 3:12 AM - 28 March, 2008
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what about custom edits from those sources like promo only?
the version they put out aren't exactly "dj-friendly"


Well look at all the DJ's that do demo's and showcases for Promo Only. What are they playing right in front of the owners of the company? Look at my stuff. Look at Kris P., Roonie G. etc.
DJ-Phat-AL 9:17 AM - 28 March, 2008
2nature...

... and they are sponsored by promo only
djsteel 11:01 AM - 28 March, 2008
That's not true. We all pay full price for Express Video
DJ-Phat-AL 4:22 PM - 28 March, 2008
even if you pay for it....

Quote:
You'd have to look into the terms of the Promo Only license, but I'm betting it doesn't allow for custom edits.


I pay for it too...
cappinkirk 4:34 PM - 28 March, 2008
OK, i did some homework and here's what I found out:

"it is legal to play any song or video for an audience as long as you flash everyone's memory afterwards so they don't remember anything."

from the riaa website
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:53 PM - 28 March, 2008
^^^I hear you can do this with a Blue Screen Of Death on a PC.

Just try to use VSL on a PC and when it crashes, everybody that was looking at the screen will have their memory erased
djsteel 6:44 PM - 28 March, 2008
Nice lol
eye357 7:29 PM - 28 March, 2008
that is soooo wrong..lol
nik39 12:52 AM - 29 March, 2008
Quote:
OK, i did some homework and here's what I found out:

"it is legal to play any song or video for an audience as long as you flash everyone's memory afterwards so they don't remember anything."

from the riaa website

Haha... =)
Dj Mayhem 9:01 PM - 29 March, 2008
Tricky RIAA
nik39 2:54 PM - 4 April, 2008
Quote:
I guarantee you both the DVD you've bought from a shop and the DVD you get from Netflix both come with a license that says you're not allowed to use it for public performance.

Well exactly the same is written on every CD/vinyl you buy (except of course bootlegs and promo copies probably.

The club owner usuall pays additional fees so that he is allowed to play protected music, same goes for video. In Germany Mix Mash claims that by paying the GEMA fees (which is kind of ASCAP/BIEM stuff) you can play not only music but also video. I havent researched yet whether this is true and on which agreements they base it.
DJ-A 3:26 PM - 4 April, 2008
you also have an argument on what is public
nik39 3:29 PM - 4 April, 2008
What do you mean, DJ-A?
cappinkirk 5:29 PM - 4 April, 2008
from the fbi wrnings...

unauthorized reproduction is illegal (this includes converting files to mp4 format)

unauthorized exhibition is also illegal
cappinkirk 5:32 PM - 4 April, 2008
...but it doesn't say unauthorized by "who".....lol
MrGoodie2shoes 9:32 PM - 4 April, 2008
I dealt with ASCAP at my last job. That most unorganized organization I have ever come across. I would like to see if they have ever enforced anything.
djang 2:23 AM - 5 April, 2008
does anyone no if there is a company legally distributing videos in australia. because promo only and the other mob dont do australia?
eye357 2:43 AM - 5 April, 2008
YO, i was at a forum and someone tried to rip netflix videos but was unsuccessful, those are protected right or am i wrong????
Dj_KaGeN 3:01 AM - 5 April, 2008
some might be.. you need to use um a ....... "decryptor" of sorts.
eye357 3:14 AM - 5 April, 2008
WELL not me i was just laughing at the guy who did it. he thought for sure it would be easy....lol
Dj_KaGeN 3:53 AM - 5 April, 2008
it kinda is.... with the right tool. and I gave the hint.
Awedamn 3:59 AM - 5 April, 2008
Where can I buy some videos that are in the right container with the right codecs? I didnt think my last computer was good enough so I got a new MP and I just want some videos I dont have to convert! I have over 200 gigs of music videos and none of them will work.
D-Twizzle 4:17 AM - 5 April, 2008
awedamn, search for smashvidz and tell them d-twizzle sent you. they are backed by many music labels.
Awedamn 4:19 AM - 5 April, 2008
Oyea - whats that fastest way with the usb convertor thing for like $99, I cant find it?
Demon 5:38 AM - 5 April, 2008
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YO, i was at a forum and someone tried to rip netflix videos but was unsuccessful, those are protected right or am i wrong????


Works fine for this one guy that I know from around the way.
Matt G 6:20 AM - 5 April, 2008
D-Twizzle, until confirmed otherwise, my understanding is SmashVidz is not legally distributing any videos. All their videos are illegal. Please do not promote them here unless you can prove otherwise.
Awedamn 7:20 AM - 5 April, 2008
I just want the instruction book
Demon 10:25 AM - 5 April, 2008
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Oyea - whats that fastest way with the usb convertor thing for like $99, I cant find it?


El Gato.
eye357 2:36 PM - 5 April, 2008
yeah D-TWIZZLE stop that, now back to what i was saying i know a couple of good crack houses with great crack etc..., just kidding twizzle the world has gone mad. lol
nobspangle 3:32 PM - 6 April, 2008
Quote:
Quote:
I guarantee you both the DVD you've bought from a shop and the DVD you get from Netflix both come with a license that says you're not allowed to use it for public performance.

Well exactly the same is written on every CD/vinyl you buy (except of course bootlegs and promo copies probably.

The club owner usuall pays additional fees so that he is allowed to play protected music, same goes for video. In Germany Mix Mash claims that by paying the GEMA fees (which is kind of ASCAP/BIEM stuff) you can play not only music but also video. I havent researched yet whether this is true and on which agreements they base it.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like this in the UK. The two licenses clubs have for music (PPL and PRS) don't cover video. As I understand it video is licensed on a case by case basis. If you want to show a film or video in public you have to purchase a special copy of the video that grants public performance rights. An example of this is the DVDs you rent from blockbuster, they have a different license to the ones you buy from Amazon that allows them to be rented and they cost around 10x as much.
nik39 6:46 PM - 6 April, 2008
Would there be a difference between a normal movie and a music video?
jbunks 10:32 PM - 6 April, 2008
I thought in the UK you simply had to be licenced by VPL, that's what I was told by Promo Only when I started subscribing to their DVDs. The cost for mobile disco use is £200 per year.
nobspangle 7:13 AM - 8 April, 2008
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I thought in the UK you simply had to be licenced by VPL, that's what I was told by Promo Only when I started subscribing to their DVDs. The cost for mobile disco use is £200 per year.

Cool, I didn't know they existed.
djsteel 12:09 PM - 8 April, 2008
I have loved video for the last 3 years cause It's like when I use to have to dig though crates for hours and days to find that one hot record and when I got it I didn't want anyone to even look at it. Video feels a lot like that but soon it's gonna be just like audio. :( Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.
DJ-Phat-AL 2:04 PM - 8 April, 2008
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Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.


I agree.

That is why I really don't share my exclusive content.

When I first moved to Vegas over a year ago doing video using VDJ with success... Almost EVERY DJ I met in this town was floored and wanted a "copy" of my hard drive and ... wanted me to teach them... ummm... didn't happen.. learn, collect, edit, and do your time like the rest of us... ash-holes!!
Charlie Five 2:16 PM - 8 April, 2008
Same here. Just so far this week I already have been asked twice about my collection. Once from a corporate spot that is interested in paying big bucks.

The good thing is that as video becomes more popular and more accessible, more venues will open up. The bad thing is that every bullshit DJ is going to think they can do video and drive the price down by over saturating the market. I already lost a gig to someone who promised to do video at a 3rd of the price the I was charging them. Its been 3 weeks and they still can't figure it out.
marknonsense1 5:00 PM - 8 April, 2008
Quote:
I have loved video for the last 3 years cause It's like when I use to have to dig though crates for hours and days to find that one hot record and when I got it I didn't want anyone to even look at it. Video feels a lot like that but soon it's gonna be just like audio. :( Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.



That does suck but all you can do is make sure you're not giving shit away! It starts somewhere! After having to pay all this money I'm not helping anyone by giving them shit! I tell all the homies to buy videos from promo only. I know a lot of big name DJs who just give shit away and because there big. . . there getting all their shit from other big names. . . I'm not going to put any names up but you'd be wowed by some.

The good thing is that even if some DJs got a collection (would they know how to use it?)
marknonsense1 5:15 PM - 8 April, 2008
Quote:
Quote:
Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.


I agree.

That is why I really don't share my exclusive content.

When I first moved to Vegas over a year ago doing video using VDJ with success... Almost EVERY DJ I met in this town was floored and wanted a "copy" of my hard drive and ... wanted me to teach them... ummm... didn't happen.. learn, collect, edit, and do your time like the rest of us... ash-holes!!


Wow you're not even trying to help other DJs by teaching them. . . Now that's just wrong! I'll help any DJ with anything I can (other then giving them shit!) If fact I've done a lot for some of the DJs in Bakersfield for free even, just to help out! Never know when your going to need some help. . . But then I'm just a good guy like that! I even got a call once which made me lose like 180 dollars just cause I had to leave work early. . . where a DJ (I didn't even know his name and still don't) (but bet your ass he knows mine) needs some sound asap cause the gig started in 1.5 hrs. He was setting up but his sound didn't work. Had to take cables and two tops. Dumb moving buying used stuff on his part. . . but it happens.
cappinkirk 7:42 PM - 8 April, 2008
[Outside, at the side of a barn]

(there is a large pile of shit on the ground)

Father Son, now that your going out into the world, there's something you should know. You see that?

Navin Yeah.

Father That's shit. And this: shinola.

Navin Shit, shinola.

Father Son, you're going to be all right. Now what town are you going to try for first?

Navin Well I thought I'd try to go to St. Louis, because that is where that radio program was coming from.

(as they walk away, Navin walks through the shit)
djsteel 8:30 PM - 8 April, 2008
I just got asked this question in my private message box but I think it needs to be said. I don't know about you guys but I see Screen Play ripping through my state putting night life music systems into every bar they can and marketing it as the replacement for the DJ. There are actually bars in Arizona (where I'm from) that only use this system. The chain of bars called Sandbar here only use Night Light and have eliminated the DJ all together. They have given a computer your job.

Now knowing that and having to choose between Promo Only or Screen Play which of the two is the right choice for he video DJ?

Yeah if you don't want to be replaced by a computer or ever have to compete with one DO NOT SUPORT SCREEN PLAY.
Promo Only is not going to come out with their own system to replace you.
cappinkirk 8:45 PM - 8 April, 2008
isn't there an SSL product that will do the same thing? ITCH? or is it something different?

serato.com
DJ-Phat-AL 11:10 PM - 8 April, 2008
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Wow you're not even trying to help other DJs by teaching them. . . Now that's just wrong!


Let me clarify. I have spent countless hours through the years mastering my craft with video programming in nightclubs (since '99). I have been doing video productions since I borrowed my brother's 8mm FILM camera doing timelapse, claymation, etc. since I was 12 years old. Teaching myself, experimenting, trial & error, researching, etc... and someone asks.."can you teach me everything you know?"... you know how many times I have had to play "tech support" for friends and sometimes new acquaintances I just met whom want to "pick my brain" on how to do something related to DJ-ing, audio/video productions, etc... I usually do a case by case basis and help out in the best way I can.

I you spent an enormous amount of time in school getting your phd. Would you just pass the diploma on to someone who asks "can you teach me all you learned in school, give me your diploma so I can find a good job like yours?" would you do it?

There is a fine line between helping a buddy out and someone trying to take advantage in order to get ahead. We live in an "instant gratification" society now and people want instant results when they "want" something. There are few people that actually earn it or put in the time to fully appreciate it.
Doug Howard 11:58 PM - 8 April, 2008
Okay....

I've been watching this thread for awhile now, and I think it's time to set a few things straight. Particularly when an apparently uninformed individual slanders my manufacturer...

Firstly, both Promo and Screenplay (rather VJ-Pro) work very hard to acquire music video for all of DJ's in a timely manner and get it to you when you need it. Both of us also price our products so that they remain affordable.

Why anyone would want to bother ripping, stealing, taping, trading and overall breaking the rules when our two companies provide this to you, and compete so effectively to get it to you... is beyond me. But, some people I guess just like doing things the hard way.

So many misconceptions have been posted in this forum about labels, licensing, formatting, the law, fair and unfair use that to address them all would take hours. Suffice to say... call your legitimate supplier and ask your questions. We are the ones on the front lines and they would have the answers.

Call me directly... I am in 10 to 6 eastern... and my office number is 607 988 9866. Or ... Promo's is 407-331-3600. Try asking directly. Ask for demos. It doesn't hurt and we don't bite. We've both been doing this for awhile now, so we might be able to help.

Finally, djsteel... Screenplay is a large and multi-faceted company. The Nightlife systems that you refer to are from a separate division than the VJ-Pro series... many of you subscribe to (thanks!). Why, would I... who created the VJ-Pro series want to put VJ's "out of a job?" I'd have no business. That is NOT VJ-PRO's agenda and frankly you slander my product to insinuate it.

There are two things that you are apparently unaware of:

1) The Nightlife system comes with a DJ interface that allows a live DJ to manipulate the system via a Numark controller. If the club replaced you, it wasn't because of the machine. Particularly when you can MIX from it.

2) VJ-Pro is in fact separate division from Screenplay. Screenplay physically manufactures the product, but VJ-Pro has its OWN agenda thank you. A very large one which will become very apparent quite soon. It is all about VJ's. Always has been... always will be, with an emphasis on new media and new solutions.

3) ...actually there are three. To be fair here... Promo markets a digital music video delivery system called the Apollo. Provides similar features as the Nightlife remotely... no VJ required. And they have for quite awhile.

VJ-Pro, alone and apart, has supported lap-top VJ'ing since it began 5 years ago. We have always made available, via a somewhat onerous and licensing requirement on the VJ's part (sorry guys, has to be that way), pre-formatted MPEG's for half a decade. Thus our VJ's don't have to rip.

But that is only the beginning. ...trust me on that one.

So with all due respect to everyone here.... and yes you too djsteel, because at least you are passionate about what you do even if you're info is a little off.... this will be my only post on the matter. I appreciate your comments, suggestions, requests, and input.... but please direct any questions and such to myself or my worthy competitor directly. They will not be responded to in this forum. I will not post any further comments here in a manufacturer's forum as I despise spamming.

It is disrespectful to them.

So to be blunt... please don't "make crap up" when it comes to licensing and fair uses. You'll end up only kidding yourself and misleading others. My email is on my profile (or leave a PM), and I look forward to giving anyone who asks.. a STRAIGHT answer... as opposed to "something somebody heard from some guy who knows a guy who knows something about something really wrong and stuff like that."

Thanks to all of you for your support.

Regards,

Doug Howard
607 988 9866
info@lodestar-entertainment.com
marknonsense1 12:49 AM - 9 April, 2008
Wow. . . I've seen nightlife and in fact it's not bad. If I were a club owner I think I would buy it. As a club owner I could save money by not paying a DJ. . . I have an offer to play at a club with it. . . I'm still thinking about it only because of what the owner said to me ("Wow that's a lot of money, you need to know I don't pay that well, All I need is a babysitter. The system can play it's self")

Now the Numark controller sucks! The system is cool but really can run it's self (VERY WELL) So with all do respect to you Doug Howard, I think DJ Steel is right!

But on the other hand if I owned a club (Which I may someday) I wouldn't mind having it. Just incase I don't like the way DJs are playing, need to cut cost or have a DJ not wanting to go by my list of music and so on. . .

DJs need to look at both side of the matter, owners want to make money and if you're not doing your job as a DJ then you can and should be replaced (This night life system is pace of mind for the owners) You got to respect that. . .
marknonsense1 1:07 AM - 9 April, 2008
^^^^Both sides of the matter/peace of mind^^^^^^^^
nik39 1:44 AM - 9 April, 2008
Quote:
There is a fine line between helping a buddy out and someone trying to take advantage in order to get ahead. We live in an "instant gratification" society now and people want instant results when they "want" something. There are few people that actually earn it or put in the time to fully appreciate it.

+1
Charlie Five 6:04 AM - 9 April, 2008
On Steels post:

iPods, Mix CD's, Video Mixing programs, ect...They all hurt our bottom line. Just like the microwave that will play for a third or less of your price. The thing about it is the bar owner/manager who is utilizing those tools during the prime moments of the night is the idiot. As professional DJ's and now VJ's (or whatever you want to call it) we provide a seemless, energetic, and exciting form of entertainment that can be altered and adjusted throughout the night. I mean I rarely play the whole track. Half of my sets are all exclusive or remixed edits. I know to change the tempo when need be or play this hotties request so her and her buddies will dance. I can't stand when I see a legit venue playing an iPod or one of those fucking video programs. I've DJ'd at 2 different spots that have the video mixing program. It got shut off at 10 when I started (audio only). What sucks is these auto mixing, low mixing tools are killing DJ's bottom lines because some managers have no idea about anything except $$$ coming in and $$$ going out (pay for us).

Like last weekend, I was checking out a new club down the street from my venue. Chris P is playing there I believe this weekend. I was there for maybe an hour and a half, the place was at capacity. I kid you not there was an iPod playing, gaps in between songs, volume levels off, horrible. This went on for an hour between to live music acts at 11:00p. Should have been a DJ there! I killed the party.
djsteel 11:44 PM - 9 April, 2008
Quote:
Okay....

uninformed individual slanders my manufacturer...


Finally, djsteel... Screenplay is a large and multi-faceted company. The Nightlife systems that you refer to are from a separate division than the VJ-Pro series... many of you subscribe to (thanks!). Why, would I... who created the VJ-Pro series want to put VJ's "out of a job?" I'd have no business. That is NOT VJ-PRO's agenda and frankly you slander my product to insinuate it.



First off, Slander was brought up a couple of times. I've not slandered Screen Play in fact I know nothing about it's subscription services I also know nothing about the different divisions of the company and don't really care. What I do know is I work primarily on Mill Ave in Tempe AZ and I know all of the Club owners and Managers and they all have the same story as the one I have.

I know what I see and what I've seen. Almost every bar on Mill Ave in Tempe has Screen Play and Night Life. Most every bar in AZ has it. Fat Tuesdays on Mill Ave fired the DJ's every night they had after buying Night Life and I heard about this so I sat in on the pitch from the guy when he Pitched Margarita Rocks and mind you at that time the Numark controller was NOT available for the system and no one told us it would be available in the future. This guy went on and on about how it is better then a DJ because it doesn't get drunk and try to sleep with every girl in the bar. He went on about all the feature and great it was and at the time there were not Pitch bending capabilities at all so DJing with it at that time was out of the question. The sales mans entire pitch was about how it could replace me. Now i was not replaced actually after his whole pitch I told him I was the DJ there and he started sweating like a hooker in church and then told me that I could DJ with it and completely changed his story. I was not aware that a DJ could control Night Life but honestly what real DJ would ever think that was a good idea. I want to use my content! Back to the club that fired their DJ's after their sales went straight in the toilet they brought back the DJ's but the DJ's taxed them significantly.

What I said was just a story of my only experience with Screen Play and Night Life. I don't care if the companies are attached or not. What I know is the only place I've ever seen those videos is on that system that sits in all these clubs that all these friends of mine have horrible stories about. I know a club owner that paid $10,000.00 for the system and others got it for free. They basically charge what ever they can get out of the bar. That really sketchy, and to keep the system updated they send them DVDs and charge the club like $350.00 (This is what I've been told by several bar owners). Most likely the same subscription that you or I would pay less for.

This forum is here for us to share are experiences with each other and let others like us know what we do so they don't make the same mistakes we do. That is what I'm doing, if your upset that some customers don't like your product then maybe you should think about not having your own system that is competing with us. No real DJ will DJ with that system its not DJ friendly content plus any DJ willing to do that is exactly the type of I've been fight so hard to separate myself from. Just because you put a bouncer in a DJ booth with this system it doesn't make him a DJ. Real DJ's like the ones on this forum know better.

I have not slandered anyone or anything. I stand by what I know to be a fact that NIGHT LIFE is direct competition for the local DJ and none of them should support a Computer System trying to replace them. As for the part about you losing customers if Night Life did replace DJ's I think is ridiculous. This is what is happening, they are doing both. So maybe the truth is the company is a company and it's goal is to make money so they are trying to do it in both ways. By suppling to the DJ and trying to have the system out there too. That makes a lot more sense to me. Here's my last question that will prove my point beyond a shadow of a doubt. If night life is so Amazing for the DJ to use then who is the Famous DJ that is Demonstrating Night Life. All DJ products have guys like me who Demo them. Has anyone here ever seen a Well known DJ demonstrating Night Life at a Convention? Or Anywhere for that matter. Hell I can't even think one DJ that I've even seen DJ with Night Life not once. That's why I didn't know a DJ could use it. Cause they don't.

Doug Howard I'm sorry if what I said upset you enough to post on here but I'm clearly not misinformed I know what I'm talking about. There is no reason to say I'm slandering your product or say I'm misinformed because I'm the first DJ to tell others we shouldn't support something that's trying to put us out of business. My last question is for you who is reading this. Do you think if Night Life was a good enough program to actually get rid of all of us and Screen Play made all that cash do you think they would care? Even better don't think the people developing the program right now are trying to make it do just that?

I would love for Screen Play to be a good choice for the Video DJ so I would have more options competition only makes this better and I'm all for it. But if DJ's are competing with computers and they don't know it I think it's fair to tell em.

One more question. Do some research in your area guy and ask the bar owners where your from that have Night Life if they pitched it to replace us. I'm interested in what we come up with.
djsteel 11:57 PM - 9 April, 2008
I'm actually remodeling a bar with a famous club consultant that does an insane amount of bars in the US and he suggested screen play to to the owners of the bar. After telling them how much cheaper and easier it is to do with ANY VIDEO Subscription and Virtual DJ i showed them the features and the cost and they were in shock how much better and cheaper it was. I've done the same thing for Tilted Kilts as well.


Weather the intent was to replace the DJ or not that is the way the salesman pitched it to me so if you don't intend on replacing us then the sales pitch first off needs to change and second you need to show us that. You need DJ's like us Demoing the product at Conventions and shows. If I was to have ever seen a DJ demoing the product anywhere! the website in a club at a convention or a show I might have just thought it was a salesman not knowing what he is talking about.

I'm now gong to make another of my Youtube videos with testimonies from club owners about the pitch the salesman gave them for Night Life hopefully I'll have it up very soon.
DJ-Phat-AL 12:07 AM - 10 April, 2008
I can see where the night life product can be useful at a restaurant, a low key lounge, or even in the malls at trendy clothing stores... but for them to target nightclub/bar where DJ's spin is not a good idea unless it was used primarily for early night before the dj shows up.

The club I spin at here in Vegas I made a 4hour DVD mix they use before I show up. They open at 7pm during the week and the balcony bar of the club at 2pm on weekends. It loops and keeps playing until I show up to play at 10pm. I could easily build a VDJ automated machine to play videos instead... but they wouldn't pay for all that. Plus I know it wouldn't replace me anyways.

The Night Life product is probably a good product by design and technology but it would be a shame if their target market is nightclub/bars to effectively "replace" a live dj with using stereotype arguments as "getting drunk", etc...
djsteel 12:31 AM - 10 April, 2008
Yeah I think its actually really reliable cause I've never heard anyone complain that it was broken. I've actually seen videos that I didn't know exist on it.
matt212 2:55 AM - 10 April, 2008
DJ-Phat-AL 3:10 AM - 10 April, 2008
hmmm.... is right
eye357 3:45 AM - 10 April, 2008
This guy went on and on about how it is better then a DJ because it doesn't get drunk and try to sleep with every girl in the bar.

how dare they say i get drunk never happens sleep w/girls of course. but steel i am out here in north jersey i have seen the similar setup not sure if it screenplay but the videos are not mixed in just thrown in with transitions similar to vdj. crazy but i see alot of clubs going for this. sad but true.
marx 5:10 AM - 10 April, 2008
wow. there sure is alot of screenplay on that video. wow
marknonsense1 5:16 AM - 10 April, 2008


10k in video. . . Shit I want it! Where can I get it? . . . lol The Club offering me the job only has a little over 9k in video. . . Someone is lying?
marx 5:23 AM - 10 April, 2008
but in dougs defense.....it seems they just provide videos. but me have no clue.

i think for small bars that wouldn't have a dj anyway, its nice. i would use something like it if i had a bar (otsdj would be a cheaper alternative) but would i have it play for people in a night club. c'mon. no way.
Doug Howard 12:49 PM - 10 April, 2008
Okay.... breaking my vow of silence, but this is really incorrect and misleading...

" I don't care if the companies are attached or not."

Well... you should.

" but I'm clearly not misinformed I know what I'm talking about."

Well... you don't. But marx however has it right.

Let me explain it to you once again. Screenplay does music video aggregation, licensing and distribution. Nightlife systems are made in Australia and it is a separate company, marketed by a completely separate division with a completely different agenda.

The videos you see are indeed licensed through Screenplay, hence the chyron and the confusion perhaps, but that is the only link.

Blaming Screenplay for Nightlife however is like saying it's the water's fault that your toilet is clogged.

Screenplay now provides music video on behalf of ALL of the labels of note (and many who aren't ) to a host of companies for clubs, web streaming, broadcast, in-store.... and yes, VJ's. Their clients include The New York TImes Network, Tribune Network, HP, Channel M, Akamai and my company Lodestar to name only a few. They are responsible for over 1 petabyte of web streams per quarter. Well over half of the film studios flash video you see on the web is cleared and generated from them. Nightlife is just one client... and not the largest by a long shot.

If you have a problem with Nightlife, then I have no argument with you, because it has nothing to do with VJ-Pro and VJ-Pro has a different agenda... but if you think you are hurting the box that "put you out of work" by blaming Screenplay and yelling for people not to support what has become the biggest music video licensing agency in the business, you are indeed misinformed.

By virtue of Screenplay's size this is the reason you see videos you have never seen elsewhere... you see videos in advance of anywhere else... and you see them in such a wide variety of formats.

I think where we are missing each other is that your beef is with Nightlife. Not VJ-Pro... which has supported digital DJ/VJ's since its creation..... when everyone else refused to deal with you. The labels used to look upon DJ's as something they refused to deal or supply to . Thanks to the efforts of products like VJ-Pro and Promo Only's video service... this has changed. It took a long time to legitimize independent DJ's in the eyes of the record labels. It sometimes is still an uphill battle... but it did change so you don't have to resort to taping from cable for your assets and having a show that looks less than perfect.

If you want to rail against something that has wronged you, no problem... just understand who you actually have an issue with.

It isn't VJ-Pro.

Thanks for your time... going back to work now.

Doug H.
Demon 3:24 PM - 10 April, 2008
Guilty by association.
matt212 3:51 PM - 10 April, 2008
Quote:
Guilty by association.

hahaha
Doug Howard 5:33 PM - 10 April, 2008
Hey.... whatever you say.

Meanwhile both Promo Only and Screenplay will continue to provide legitimate video to DJ/VJ's as comprehensively and quickly as possible.

Best to all,

DH
Doug Howard 6:40 PM - 10 April, 2008
Hey.... if you say so.

Meanwhile both Promo Only and Screenplay will keep making sure that everyone gets their videos quickly and legitimately. Demon, be sure to let us know how those Amazon rips work out for you.

DH
Deejay Z 8:49 PM - 10 April, 2008
This will quite possibly be the first thread started by a Mod that will be locked by a Mod........
marx 9:05 PM - 10 April, 2008
locked? y?

this is a forum. people are going to have different opinions.
Deejay Z 12:17 AM - 11 April, 2008
Seems like its gonna break out to a name calling frenzy any second ;-)


Hold on let me throw a log into the fire:

PCs Suck, buy a Mac

haha jk...keep the comments coming....

Great opinions on both side
marx 12:23 AM - 11 April, 2008
thats funny.
Dj Nyce 12:38 AM - 11 April, 2008
where can i get illegal music videos from?
DJ-Phat-AL 12:58 AM - 11 April, 2008
google
Doug Howard 1:06 AM - 11 April, 2008
Quote:
Seems like its gonna break out to a name calling frenzy any second ;-)


Nah.... this is just good debate. I'm done. If you don't get it... well.... whatever.

A guy by the name of Jimmy Bralower was a drummer in the 80s. Along came the drum machine. All the other drummers in NYC screamed and yelled and cursed the thing to no end. Jimmy bought one and mastered it. Jimmy is now one of the Sr. VPs at Sony/BMG Records. The other guys I think you see once and awhile on "Where Are They Now & Who Cares?" on VH-1.

Like I said.... you've got two very capable companies competing very hard to get you what you need at reasonable prices. Take advantage of it.

Best to you all.

DH
D-Twizzle 1:41 AM - 11 April, 2008
Doug, Holla at me next time you're in Seattle for the weekend. I know you come out here often. Hopefully you can check out one of my video mixshows.
matt212 1:53 AM - 11 April, 2008
On the real...if I had a bar, I would get this system. It seems like just a replacement for the common jukebox that most bars have but with video. From reading the brochure, it wouldn't be suitable substitution for a DJ a at dance club though IMO.
www.nightlife.com.au

How much is this system anyway? It must be up there if they are giving away a 32 HD LCD for free with the purchase of this system.
www.nightlife.com.au
Doug Howard 2:01 AM - 11 April, 2008
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Doug, Holla at me next time you're in Seattle for the weekend. I know you come out here often. Hopefully you can check out one of my video mixshows.


I thank you for that invite.... I shall, I shall. Email me your contacts.

DH
DJ-Phat-AL 3:23 AM - 11 April, 2008
videos are in mpeg-1 format.

That has to horrible on big screens.
Culprit 4:48 AM - 11 April, 2008
Im really confused over the whole ordeal, I think if my club had purchased it, I would master it down anyways. I mastered down Virtual DJ and Serato, and both of those programs in the beginning were getting tons of hate.
DJ-Phat-AL 10:51 AM - 11 April, 2008
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Virtual DJ and Serato, and both of those programs in the beginning were getting tons of hate.


Those applications are made for DJ's & marketed toward DJ's to operate them whom can take them into club's or mobile situations. Nightlife is a hardware/software product marketed toward club owners/managers whom can use it in place of live entertainment or just for all day play depending on hours of operation and type of venue.

I don't see Nightlife being marketed toward the dj market to get dj's to buy it to use for their digital dj solution.

So it shouldn't be too confusing if you really see the big picture with it.
eye357 4:34 PM - 11 April, 2008
basically a big dog has entered the scene and will more than likely grab the whole lounge club market. djs will still be needed but at venues were intersction with the music is needed. so it's important for vdj to have a collection of exclusive remixed and self edited videos and of course your talent spinning. you will have what others don't.
marx 5:44 PM - 11 April, 2008
yeps
marknonsense1 7:09 PM - 11 April, 2008
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basically a big dog has entered the scene and will more than likely grab the whole lounge club market. djs will still be needed but at venues were intersction with the music is needed. so it's important for vdj to have a collection of exclusive remixed and self edited videos and of course your talent spinning. you will have what others don't.


Exclusive remixes only help if the're good. . . lol And I hope you're not talking about mash ups!
djsteel 8:01 PM - 11 April, 2008


Holy Cow! This video was Shot on MILL AVE! those are all the bars I work. Those are some of the Managers that told me it was pitched to replace the DJ! Lol Trip out! Except for Half moon in Tucson that was video footage of the same places I work. I will get video from all those same bars saying that Night Life was pitched as a DJ replacement. Two of those managers have been let go, but I'll get E4 and Tavern for sure and the New managers at the others.

Ok Doug is right I guess I do care if Screen Play and Night Life were different companies I guess you couldn't be mad at them but Being a division of the same company means .....IT'S THE SAME COMPANY. Lol So yeah I was right. Saying your a different division is like saying well my hand stabbed him why should my head go to jail? Lol

I think that Promo video they made themselves said it all. They interviewed the people the made the system for and even said you can show a manager how to do it in 10 or 20 minutes. Not one DJ was on shown on there and it never said that a DJ could use it.

Doug I don't know you and I'm not upset with you. But your company should either support Video DJ's or that system. If it try's to do both then don't expect us to get subscriptions. It's not personal its business.

WE SHOULD NOT SUPPORT A COMPANY TRYING TO PUT US OUT OF OUR JOBS. Plain and simple.

I think the video says it all.
djsteel 8:06 PM - 11 April, 2008
Oh and Screen Play is in Seattle WA not Australia I think Doug is trying to purposely trying to miss inform us.
D-Twizzle 8:11 PM - 11 April, 2008
i don't really think it's an issue for us. i mean, there's satellite radio that people stream to bars, clubs and lounges already for years. a lot of it is mixed with no commercials, but that isn't replacing a regular audio dj. so having a system that plays music videos automatically is pratically the same thing. no worries here.
cappinkirk 8:20 PM - 11 April, 2008
i made a dj robot that can mix & skratch...and it's talking to your bar owner right now!

he wears a tux and he has no scruples about playing the macarena or the electric slide.
cappinkirk 8:22 PM - 11 April, 2008
the female version is chrome and gives dome on command how are u gonna compete?
nik39 8:27 PM - 11 April, 2008

"If you can punch three letters into a computer - then you can DJ".

Efffff you. You are not DJ'ing. You are microwaving. We're not scared. Bring it on.
djsteel 8:33 PM - 11 April, 2008
Ok if Screen Play & Night Life are not competing with the VJ or DJ then I think this should be a fair way to prove that. Since the bars are now paying for the right to use the Screen Play videos shouldn't that mean they can use them with whatever system they want? So I say If Screen Play really isn't competing with VJ's you should make the entire collection of Music Videos on the night life system available to use with Serato Video to the bars that already have Screen Play. Doug from the Tavern Bar and Grill on Mill is about to buy an entire Video Library again to use with the 57 he just got his club. Why should he have to do that if you guys aren't competing with use?

That's my challenge to Doug from Screen Play make the Music Video Library's available to your users in any format they want. Especially MP4.

The other option is I just approach em and tell them how much cheaper it is to go with Virtual DJ for Day time play Serato for the DJ at night and 1 video subscription.

So what do you think Doug? Make the videos available to you customers to use with what ever system they choose.
eye357 9:38 PM - 11 April, 2008
Steel it's business not personal, I never asked who gave the orders to hit the djs because it's bad for business. Hey American compnaies have packed up and threw out thousands of workers for cheaper labor abroad, this is reality. The question is not what these companies are doing but what us djs must do to stay current, innovative and original with our video content. Steel don't waste your breath with these people just prepare for the future because the field of play is changing fast.
DJ-Phat-AL 9:49 PM - 11 April, 2008
here's an even bigger giant to challenge... wal-mart
Doug Howard 10:26 PM - 11 April, 2008
Steel....

Let me explain this one... more... time. Screenplay is the clearing house. Their job is simply to collect the videos and put them out to the label approved distributor clients. Nightlife is one client. VJ-Pro is another client. Nightlife has nothing to do with the VJ-Pro supply business. I could care less what Nightlife does and they I. Got it?

BUT.... that being said, I am SOOO glad you asked that question... or "challenge."

VJ-Pro has offered a huge library of its Classic series since day one. It covers the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and New Millennium of 60's Rock, 70's Rock, 80's Rock/Hair Bands, Disco, New Wave, Punk, Reggae, Country, Latin, Old Skool, New Skool, New Jack, Dance Essentials, House, Techno, Euro, B&D, Halloween, Christmas, Love Songs, VJ-Picks (top songs requested by VJ's who take the time to write to us)... we're working on a reel titled "The Worst Videos of All Time"... but we can't decide which makes up the top 10. Maybe you guys can help with some recommendations.

We've had this available in DVD and MPEG 1 and shortly later MPEG 2 since day one. Drag and drop. No ripping... no muss, no fuss. The user license is a pretty rough... but that's the way it has to be. As to MEPG4, I personally chose not to use it quite yet as it is hard on laptop processors (they sometimes freeze because they don't have enough ram). As well, outside of H.264... I have yet to see a MPG4 codec that delivers the clarity and proper frame structure of a VOB/MPEG2 file.

Other formats are certainly coming. Believe it. However I have heard.... only heard mind you.... that the very nice people at Serato will be issuing a plug in for MPEG2 very shortly for those that need it. But I only heard it from a guy who knows a guy... etc. etc. so don't start yelling at them, please.

Look steel,.... like I said .... you are passionate about your work and about video. I really applaud that. We need more of that.... people who want to do things right and look their best. But if you had taken the time to visit our playlists....

...... you would know all of this about our library already.

And I... have taken waaaay too much liberty posting on this manufacturer's board. I am surprised they haven't tossed me out on my a$$ by now.

So once again..... all together now....

Promo Only and VJ-Pro (Screenplay) kick each other bloody on a regular basis to get you what you need. Stop taping off of MTV, BET or whatever .... or ripping from Amazon (bet that sounds real special!). It is wrong. It is doing things the hard way... and it makes your shows look and sound like crap.

Legal video is cheap. Take advantage of it.

Thanks for your time and thank you Serato for your indulgence.

Any other comments or questions, rants, GFYS's, or what have you... I would request be directed to me off of this board.... not in here.

Thanks again.

DH
DJ-Phat-AL 11:27 PM - 11 April, 2008
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I have yet to see a MPG4 codec that delivers the clarity and proper frame structure of a VOB/MPEG2 file.


I agree!
djsteel 2:51 AM - 12 April, 2008
So my question then like a 3 year old child is, You said earlier that Screen Play and Night Life are separate divisions of the Same company. Is that true? does all the money flow upward to the same place?
Dj Nyce 5:12 PM - 12 April, 2008
if you guys live in markets where some bullshit software will replace a dj. then your in the wrong place. all those spots were bars (maybe except e4?), it makes sense for them to have some faggy software because they may not have the revenue, space or crowd to have a full time dj. the same for restaurants. but in real nightclubs, nothing will do except a real live dj.

so on that note bring on the faggy software.
Culprit 9:11 PM - 14 April, 2008
::senses the gloves are coming off:: =]
DD 8:55 AM - 15 April, 2008
can we get back to the real subject? Legal Places to get music videos please...?
Demon 4:15 PM - 15 April, 2008
I just noticed Franchise put up some videos. Does anyone have Franchise vids and how are the playing/looking on VSL?
nik39 4:52 PM - 15 April, 2008
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I just noticed Franchise put up some videos. Does anyone have Franchise vids and how are the playing/looking on VSL?

scratchlive.net <- click
djsteel 10:10 PM - 15 April, 2008
Yeah Screen play has some cool advantages
wukawuka 10:57 PM - 18 April, 2008
try www.promoonly.com
You have to be a working professional DJ/VJ
djsteel 11:17 PM - 18 April, 2008
Really? I think I've heard of Promo Only, are they good?
D-Twizzle 11:40 PM - 18 April, 2008
lmao
Dj_KaGeN 11:53 PM - 18 April, 2008
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Really? I think I've heard of Promo Only, are they good?

classic.
DJ-Phat-AL 3:39 AM - 19 April, 2008
promo who?
eye357 4:55 PM - 19 April, 2008
woah, chill out maybe he was in a coma and just came out of it two days ago.....maybe :)
DJShakes 8:27 PM - 19 April, 2008
Has anyone tried Smashvidz? Worth the $50 a month? Large library?
sixxx 2:02 AM - 20 April, 2008
wukawuka, your link doesn't work. :(

Please someone tell me more about this promo only. Thanks.
sixxx 2:03 AM - 20 April, 2008
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Has anyone tried Smashvidz? Worth the $50 a month? Large library?


Not legal.
Matt G 10:13 PM - 20 April, 2008
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Has anyone tried Smashvidz? Worth the $50 a month? Large library?


DJShakes, this discussion is about legal sources only, and as sixxx points out, that site is not legal.
DJ Lique 11:28 AM - 25 April, 2008
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I love how people talk about promo only like its legal,did anybody ever read there fine print??? There about as legal as limewire.... Promo only has been scamming djs for years. Music videos are promotional use only,thats why there made in the first place,when it comes down to it,theres no such thing as an illegal video download. Do your homework and read the fine print on both sides of the book,it all says the same shit....


You've got to be kidding right? You're comparing Promo Only to LimeWire? That's like comparing a Nun to a Rapist. Both PromoOnly and ScreenPlay have relationships with the labels that go way back (some to the 1980s). Limewire is as legal as me taking the cds out of your car when you're sleeping.

(Steel was good seeing you in Vegas. Thought I'd get back on here. -- I've been missing the threats.)
DJ Lique 11:33 AM - 25 April, 2008
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Promo Only and Screen Play are legit and the only DIGITAL source for legit videos (as of writing this) is ScreenPlay


So what your saying is if your playing out with any videos besides vids from Screen Play its illegal?


They were the only source for DIGITAL (i.e. Data format, not DVDs). More are on the way but sites like SmashVidz etc are not legit. When they start of with a big ass warning or ask for a donation watch out. What's to say a company like that doesn't get busted and in a plea agreement of some kind turn over their subscriber database to the RIAA, etc.?
DJ Lique 11:37 AM - 25 April, 2008
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By "Digital" do you mean downloads as opposed to supplied on media?


Yes. Sorry for the confusion.
DJ Lique 11:43 AM - 25 April, 2008
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That's not true. We all pay full price for Express Video


I'm not 100% sure but I think Express are short run burns vs pressed versions hence the larger cost. Same with the MPEG2 from screenplay.
DJ Lique 11:50 AM - 25 April, 2008
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I dealt with ASCAP at my last job. That most unorganized organization I have ever come across. I would like to see if they have ever enforced anything.


They like to threaten people until they pay. But they DO have power and recently sued 29 or so clubs (one here locally in my own city). They have done it before and the club owner sold the club before he had to file for bankruptcy.

I worked for a club where the owner tried to pass them onto me. They then sent me a packet about half an inch thick with the infringements and wanted to use me against them. The owner pissed me off so bad at one point I ALMOST did. The owner owed (still does) a hefty amount and they had no clue I was playing music videos, BUT when he tossed them my way the guy started asking questions about what I did and his fee increased considerably.

They want about $400 out of you per TV even if you are just running regular cable.

This is the article.

www.ascap.com
DJ Lique 11:53 AM - 25 April, 2008
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YO, i was at a forum and someone tried to rip netflix videos but was unsuccessful, those are protected right or am i wrong????


The disc is encrypted to prevent such piracy (like most feature films) using a variety of schemes. This is one such scheme that is very hard to crack and has been successful thus far.

Wikipedia Entry:
en.wikipedia.org
DJ Lique 12:00 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Oyea - whats that fastest way with the usb convertor thing for like $99, I cant find it?


El Gato.


Elgato Turbo.264

www.elgato.com

Just got it today. But not for videos. H.264 is kind of processor intensive. I currently use MP4/AAC. I hope to hell it works with Video-SL cause I have already churned through 2000+ videos, 6000+ to go.

Oh and the Turbo.264 SCREAMS. I am going to try it on an older G4.
DJ Lique 12:15 PM - 25 April, 2008
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I have loved video for the last 3 years cause It's like when I use to have to dig though crates for hours and days to find that one hot record and when I got it I didn't want anyone to even look at it. Video feels a lot like that but soon it's gonna be just like audio. :( Any jerk who buys a mac and serato will be jacking his buddies whole hard drive and say he is like me. Thinking about makes me sad.


TURN-THEIR-ASS-IN. I've made it clear in my market if you don't pay to play then you're going to pay in the end. I don't want what happened to audio to happen to video. Plus don't forget you have PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF. Snap a shot of the video screen with the Chryon tag and just ask the holder (i.e. Screen Play or Promo Only) if they are legit.

There are too many "dj's" popping up in my area. About eight of them are using a hard drive copied from a radio station Serato machine. (They claim they work there and it's 100% legit -- yea.)

I've said it before, the Karaoke industry offers rewards if you turn in guys stealing crap. They were technically doing video WAAAAY before we did and they are really protective of their massive libraries.

Done with my rant. Keep the faith Steel!
DJ Lique 12:23 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Wow you're not even trying to help other DJs by teaching them. . . Now that's just wrong!


I will give them some tips on where to go and learn, I'm not an ass. But I live by the motto "Don't train your replacement". There are TWO former light guys in my market that are now "DJs". I know someone from my market is reading this thread and knows them both. After buying Serato and a $150 "magically loaded" hard drive ... POOF! He's a dj now.

I politely refer them to DJ University or some of the DVDs from Guitar Center. I will show them some of the basics but when it comes to how I encode, organize, catalog my music or how I conduct business that I consider a trade secret.
DJ Lique 12:46 PM - 25 April, 2008
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I just got asked this question in my private message box but I think it needs to be said. I don't know about you guys but I see Screen Play ripping through my state putting night life music systems into every bar they can and marketing it as the replacement for the DJ. There are actually bars in Arizona (where I'm from) that only use this system. The chain of bars called Sandbar here only use Night Light and have eliminated the DJ all together. They have given a computer your job.

Now knowing that and having to choose between Promo Only or Screen Play which of the two is the right choice for he video DJ?

Yeah if you don't want to be replaced by a computer or ever have to compete with one DO NOT SUPORT SCREEN PLAY.
Promo Only is not going to come out with their own system to replace you.


Hmmm. This is where I think we don't agree. ScreenPlay is a US distributer of the NightLife system which is based (I think in New Zealand too -- I may be wrong). It is a subscription service that they MUST maintain, or the system can be deactivated. Promo Only actually DOES have automated systems as well and there are many services that are aligned with. Neither ScreenPlay or Promo are TRYING to put DJ's out of business. Hell bar owners are cheap. I know many bars that have a laptop in the back room cranking out music. If they could figure out videos they would probably do that too.

My father owns a Pita Pit and we setup a sweet system of a 200 capacity DVD player with Promo Only Pop-Mix video. It's perfect... now am I going to go tell a bar owner how we did it with the custom in-store channels, logo overlay, or the automated IR scripts I wrote.. hell no.)

Here is the AVED Video Jukebox, I know these guys, damn cool product:
www.avedjukebox.com

Here is the Promo Only product that they don't market on the DVD "DJ" side:
www.promoonlynetworks.com

I even have my own automated product that I could put in every bar in my city and piss off all the DJs but that goes back to the trade secret thing.

Promo Only doesn't really market their player to nightclubs, NightLife does. That could be the only conflict that I could see.
DJ Lique 1:10 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Okay....

I've been watching this thread for awhile now, and I think it's time to set a few things straight. Particularly when an apparently uninformed individual slanders my manufacturer...

((( FORMATTED TO FIT YOUR TV SCREEN -- scroll up to see the rest. )))

Regards,

Doug Howard
607 988 9866
info@lodestar-entertainment.com


Oops. :) I was just going through all the posts top to bottom and hadn't seen this yet... I'm at 10 replies in a row so far. This post would have saved me some time. Doug was good seeing you in Vegas, I left my damn blinking flair bottle in your booth... damn whisky.
DJ Lique 1:11 PM - 25 April, 2008
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I have yet to see a MPG4 codec that delivers the clarity and proper frame structure of a VOB/MPEG2 file.


I agree!


Ah yes... BUT you can't tag or embed META information. ;)
DJ Lique 1:19 PM - 25 April, 2008
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So my question then like a 3 year old child is, You said earlier that Screen Play and Night Life are separate divisions of the Same company. Is that true? does all the money flow upward to the same place?


I don't think Doug will respond but they are the same company in the same way GE and NBC are the same company. Or Kraft and Morris Phillips are the same company. ScreenPlay does waaay more that just videos. They do the content you see in places like Foot Locker, Steve & Barrys, Blockbuster, etc. The music video division was launched in 2002/2003 I believe. There is a back story that I'm probably now allowed to go into.

I've been to their offices several times in Seattle, they're laid back and pretty cool. You would SHIT if you saw their beta room. The NightLife systems are loaded and tested in the basement area. They don't really push the system that hard. We only had one here and the guy stopped paying and it went bye bye.

I was wrong, they are actually from Australia. The videos are protected and in a proprietary format. (I've played with an update disc, it's secure. The labels love that.)
www.nightlife.com.au
DJ Lique 1:39 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Hey.... whatever you say.

Meanwhile both Promo Only and Screenplay will continue to provide legitimate video to DJ/VJ's as comprehensively and quickly as possible.

Best to all,

DH


ScreenPlay has some awesome content that I honestly haven't seen elsewhere. On several occasions I saw an Ultimix version of a video that was completely reworked to match the Ultimix audio. I have been both a ScreenPlay customer and PromoOnly customer and like both companies. They bicker like brother and sister sometimes (which is just business -- and pretty funny) but like the man said both are ARE VERY legit.

Anyone remember VMS MEDIA? Try to contact them:

www.vmsmedia.com Phone? 1-866-818-7356

That is from a DVD I'm holding in my hand. They lasted about a year, they called themselves a pool too. I tracked down their subscriber agreement:

www.thesourceformusic.com
DJ Lique 1:50 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Really? I think I've heard of Promo Only, are they good?


Na dude, screw that. Let's just trade hard drives. I have some KILLER videos off of YouTube you'll love (I blurred out the VH1 logo for ya)! Also last night I set up my VHS camera in front of the TV and got about 6 hours of MTV2 so we should be totally set for this Saturday.

I'll see you at McDonald's at 3:00PM tomorrow. Oh, by the way.... bring your Hello Kitty Western Digital drive I like that one.


(Yikes, 15 posts in a row, I am so getting my ass banned.)
Dj_KaGeN 4:27 PM - 25 April, 2008
15 in a row... That's gots to be a record.
D-Twizzle 6:00 PM - 25 April, 2008
could have been done all in one post, but i guess nobody would read it cause it would look like a novel.
djsteel 7:01 PM - 25 April, 2008
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Really? I think I've heard of Promo Only, are they good?


Na dude, screw that. Let's just trade hard drives. I have some KILLER videos off of YouTube you'll love (I blurred out the VH1 logo for ya)! Also last night I set up my VHS camera in front of the TV and got about 6 hours of MTV2 so we should be totally set for this Saturday.

I'll see you at McDonald's at 3:00PM tomorrow. Oh, by the way.... bring your Hello Kitty Western Digital drive I like that one.


(Yikes, 15 posts in a row, I am so getting my ass banned.)



Dude did you even read the thread before posting any of that? I posted this and it was a joke. Wukawuka was telling use about Promo Only and I asked if they were good. It's funny to most people on the forum. If you wanna laugh I'll let you know too.
djsteel 7:04 PM - 25 April, 2008
I meant I'll let you know why it was funny too. D-Twizzle thought it was funny.
DJ Lique 10:14 PM - 25 April, 2008
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I meant I'll let you know why it was funny too. D-Twizzle thought it was funny.


So wait are you telling me you lost the Hello Kitty External Drive? DAMMIT!!!! Dude where are we going to find content for Saturdays gig? I almost forgot, can you get your mom to drive us to the show? I have enough for $1500 mixer, don't want to spend the cash on content or gas. :)
skinnyguy 11:51 PM - 25 April, 2008
my gf would kill for a hello kitty external
djsteel 2:38 AM - 26 April, 2008
Check out my site WWW.VJSTEEL.COM, I thought yours was real nice. Oh I'll be DJing Videos in Seattle on june 20th and 21th I think you should make the 6 hour drive, You will learn a lot.
Demon 4:52 PM - 26 April, 2008
DJ Lique 11:07 PM - 27 April, 2008
June 20, 21... crap. I'm in Vegas 16-20 for InfoComm then the birthday 21st or I'd be there.
MagicNZ 5:47 AM - 28 April, 2008
Hey guys,
I am based in New Zealand and have just invested into Video SL, however building my Video library seems to be a lot harder than what i thought it would be. Ideally i am after the promo only series however they will not ship outside the U.S. so does anyone have any ideas on how to get compilations shipped to New Zealand which are very similar to promo only.
Thanks
djsteel 2:24 AM - 29 April, 2008
Sweet I'll be in Vegas that Sunday the 22nd if your still there. To MagicNZ Yeah try Screen Play.
MagicNZ 4:43 AM - 29 April, 2008
Thanks DJ Steel, i thought they would be my next best bet.
Funkytownstopsix 3:53 PM - 29 April, 2008
Sad days are coming if human would be replaced by computers. I will say this I know nothing of the system and can tell you one thing.. There is no way a computer can rock the crowd there are things that Dj's do to change a party from ok to hellla d shit. A computer will never be able to do that. I see these things in bars as jukeboxes other than that useless. I only suggest that all Dj's master their trade and don't go out half stepping or u might just get replaced. Clubs will always try to get out of paying DJ's for the trade unless they have been taught the value of a good DJ. U can make your mouth say anything but performing and rocking the crowd aint just talk. No way a computer will beat me, until they can mix, scratch and wink at the chicks they can't touch me. Just my 2 cents..Twizzle my hand killed somebody last year u think they will take me to jail after all it was my hand that done it not me. LOL that shit was funny but ohhhh so true.....
Dj Mayhem 2:09 AM - 30 April, 2008
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There are too many "dj's" popping up in my area. About eight of them are using a hard drive copied from a radio station Serato machine. (They claim they work there and it's 100% legit -- yea.)




BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Glad i didnt take that job... Dont worry, most those mp3's are probably predone sh@tty mashups..............

ANYWHOOOO...

I dont live there anymore what do i care? although i hear people are gunnin for my slots on air...too bad i still hold them from here :)
Dj Mayhem 2:11 AM - 30 April, 2008
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I know someone from my market is reading this thread and knows them both.


LOL
Dj Mayhem 2:11 AM - 30 April, 2008
is it possible to edit posts on this board? lol...
djsteel 2:41 AM - 30 April, 2008
Radio isn't what it was 10 years ago. It's really not important anymore.
Dj Mayhem 7:10 AM - 30 April, 2008
why cause no one pays for spins like they used to lol? its still a main way people discover music. i get lazy with keeping new music in my car and will just turn on the radio (and im around it all damn day)... Radio is just branching out into other areas, like podcasting, and streaming.
djsteel 3:13 PM - 30 April, 2008
Podcasting and Streaming is ......ummmm Podcast and Streaming not Radio. Radio back in the day could pack a club and make a DJ famous now if you don't have a saturday gig that could get you a radio job. It's just not as cool. Podcast are the way to go. You can play what you want and get it to the people you want.
Dj Mayhem 6:19 PM - 30 April, 2008
do you / have you worked radio?
djsteel 10:29 AM - 1 May, 2008
Yeah of course I did up till I needed to focus more on video and had to choice a couple months ago. Radio doesn't suck its not horrible. It's just not a factor in if someone is good anymore. I hear horrible DJ's on air all the time. Also DJ's like Z-Trip from where I'm from (Arizona) he never even played on 1 station and he is the highest paid DJ to come out of my state.
djsteel 10:32 AM - 1 May, 2008
Here's something to think about how many DJ's in your city are trying to be the cool radio DJ? 1000? 10,000? more? Why? what's the point? How many of those same DJ's are trying to be the DJ for Mac Computers or Intel? Or McDonalds? Which do you think is gonna do more for your career? Redbull? or a local radio station? The things you focus on are the things you will eventually get so why focus on small things when big things take less work and will do more for you?

That was my point I was trying to make.
Deejay Z 6:03 PM - 1 May, 2008
Well said Steel,

I've Deejayed for Nike, Red Bull, Microsoft, just to name a few....and a bunch of clubs....guess who pays more????


P.S. Totally rocked my mac on the Microsoft gig haha
djsteel 6:18 PM - 1 May, 2008
Lol That's funny!
Dj Mayhem 6:51 PM - 1 May, 2008
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Radio isn't what it was 10 years ago. It's really not important anymore.


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Podcasting and Streaming is ......ummmm Podcast and Streaming not Radio. Radio back in the day could pack a club and make a DJ famous now if you don't have a saturday gig that could get you a radio job. It's just not as cool. Podcast are the way to go. You can play what you want and get it to the people you want.


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Here's something to think about how many DJ's in your city are trying to be the cool radio DJ? 1000? 10,000? more? Why? what's the point? How many of those same DJ's are trying to be the DJ for Mac Computers or Intel? Or McDonalds? Which do you think is gonna do more for your career? Redbull? or a local radio station? The things you focus on are the things you will eventually get so why focus on small things when big things take less work and will do more for you?

That was my point I was trying to make.

lol, you're all over the place with "points" lol.

I look at it like this steel.

I get paid, to promote myself. So instead of having to advertise and get subscribers to my podcast (which would cost me money...) i get Paid to promote myself on air. To a LARGE audience for several hours a week. That was the WHOLE reason i started working radio. lol. And although i was in a smaller city (500,000 people, second largest city in wa) it did me wonders. Now im in Seattle applying the same strategy.

I'm not saying its the best/coolest job in the world, or the best medium these days, but it does serve a very valid purpose...if you use it right.
djsteel 8:34 PM - 1 May, 2008
It's the same point. It's cool bro if you don't understand.
Dj Mayhem 7:33 AM - 2 May, 2008
Wow.
djsteel 9:39 AM - 2 May, 2008
I didn't mean it like that bro calm down.
Razor 3:50 AM - 8 May, 2008
Does anybody know if there are any legal places to download the videos so i don't have to rip all day everyday? I know once I'm done ripping all these promo only videos there is going to be some easier way. Any help would be great. Thanks.
Funkytownstopsix 3:54 AM - 8 May, 2008
Hummmmm all you guys that have been doing video for more than 4 years who do you think is the best, promo only or screenplay?
Funkytownstopsix 8:15 PM - 8 May, 2008
Razor I heard that SLV will add vob(mpeg2) to the list one day. Then ripping would be a little nicer. For now Screenplay already has it set up with vob and named d files so you wouldn't have to do anything except copy the files to a drive. SLV does that then is a no brainer but for now sitll have to rip and still have to convert.
matt212 2:40 AM - 9 May, 2008
Screen Play videos need better audio. The waveforms on them looks like a straight line because the audio is so low.
Deejay Z 7:25 PM - 9 May, 2008
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Screen Play videos need better audio. The waveforms on them looks like a straight line because the audio is so low.


I thought I was importing them wrong.....but I have the same problem
marx 7:39 PM - 9 May, 2008
yep yep. from the grape its said they use movie standards. which makes no sense at all. movies have a standard for a reason (impact) music is a totally different mastering process.
eye357 8:02 AM - 10 May, 2008
i started getting videos from 8thwonderpromos.com looks like for 10 a month you cant go wrong.
djsteel 9:56 AM - 10 May, 2008
How many videos do they have?
lvmez 2:32 PM - 10 May, 2008
about 25. already in mp4 format.
eye357 5:08 PM - 10 May, 2008
but for 10 bucks u cant go wrong.....
DJ J-Funk 4:30 PM - 11 May, 2008
Hey guys,

CHeck out www.djvideosource.com
Demon 5:07 PM - 11 May, 2008
How much is it?
eye357 5:20 PM - 11 May, 2008
50 BUCKS FOR 2 MONTHS NOT BAD BUT 8thwonderpromos.co is only 10 bucks a monthnow thats a bargain......
nik39 5:51 PM - 11 May, 2008
It says $50 per month.
eye357 6:38 PM - 11 May, 2008
8THWONDERPROMOS.COM is 10.....oh the other one, sorry nik39
Dj Mayhem 8:28 PM - 11 May, 2008
but look at their vid selection, not good buddy. not good.
eye357 12:36 AM - 12 May, 2008
give it just a little more time, wow who sang that? "and our love will surely grow!" lol as well as 8thwonderpromos...
DRiBL 1:25 AM - 12 May, 2008
Any with more dance related vids?
lvmez 1:48 AM - 12 May, 2008
i think promo only will be the best if your looking for one genre in general.
baires0314 3:47 AM - 12 May, 2008
Hi, my name is DJ AG and I'm interested in these music video sources.

So to sum it up:
DVD's - Best in quality and genre choices = Promo Only

But what about for online music video downloads? Which out of My12Inch, DJVideoSource, Exclusivegrooves, or a different site? Which has the best and most consistant quality among them all?
cappinkirk 4:31 PM - 13 May, 2008
my12inch.com is badass
eye357 9:20 PM - 13 May, 2008
on the real, if u are making ends with spinning its only in your best interest to join all the video pools, its still cheap compared to back in the day with vinyl, i was paying sometimes 150 -100 dollars a month and still had to buy other records to be up to date so if u joined promo smash vj 8thwonder 12inch u are still around 120-130 a month, hell thats the fraction of the cost of one night spinning. one pool is always gonna have something the other doesnt
Dj Mayhem 10:03 PM - 13 May, 2008
thats true, i thought about that the other day, for awhile i was dropping 200 a weeeeek on vinyl without bitching, now 50 is too much? shame shame shame
eye357 11:57 PM - 13 May, 2008
yeah its all about supporting, especially the little companies popping up, the more around the better the price. basic economics, wow i did learn something from Rutgers.......GO KNIGHTS!!!!
Culprit 6:11 AM - 14 May, 2008
+1 on my12inch. I love them
matt212 11:18 AM - 14 May, 2008
Did my12inch change the quality in thier videos or something?? When I had an account with them....their videos looks like how a 128 mp3 sounds.
Funkytownstopsix 4:25 PM - 14 May, 2008
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Did my12inch change the quality in thier videos or something?? When I had an account with them....their videos looks like how a 128 mp3 sounds.

LOL that means no video at all.
eye357 7:19 PM - 14 May, 2008
WOW, on point funkytownstopsix
DJ Kofi 7:36 AM - 15 May, 2008
Here is a track I'm releasing this summer, would love all the Video Sl users to play it. I own the copy right so its legal.

Please download it.

www.ttetv.com
eye357 3:57 PM - 15 May, 2008
DJ KOFI, yeah i see all the nyc spots, harlem 125...lol very nice and great way to
get promotions and buzz. very smart. you know i gotta bite....hehheh. thanks 4 the video
DJ Lique 4:52 AM - 26 May, 2008
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There are too many "dj's" popping up in my area. About eight of them are using a hard drive copied from a radio station Serato machine. (They claim they work there and it's 100% legit -- yea.)


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Glad i didnt take that job... Dont worry, most those mp3's are probably predone sh@tty mashups..............

ANYWHOOOO...

I dont live there anymore what do i care? although i hear people are gunnin for my slots on air...too bad i still hold them from here :)


My favorite was when someone "mislabeled" the songs and for 3 minutes they were playing F-bombs on a Ludacris track at 8:30PM.
DJ Lique 5:34 AM - 26 May, 2008
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Here's something to think about how many DJ's in your city are trying to be the cool radio DJ? 1000? 10,000? more? Why? what's the point? How many of those same DJ's are trying to be the DJ for Mac Computers or Intel? Or McDonalds? Which do you think is gonna do more for your career? Redbull? or a local radio station? The things you focus on are the things you will eventually get so why focus on small things when big things take less work and will do more for you?

That was my point I was trying to make.


Exactly. One station has a 15 year old intern voicing the station? Totally makes advertisers wanna line up when it sounds like a highschool radio station. ;)
DJ Lique 5:39 AM - 26 May, 2008
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Screen Play videos need better audio. The waveforms on them looks like a straight line because the audio is so low.


I thought I was importing them wrong.....but I have the same problem


Promo Only's levels are very strong (from 2006 on).
DJ Lique 5:40 AM - 26 May, 2008
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Does anybody know if there are any legal places to download the videos so i don't have to rip all day everyday? I know once I'm done ripping all these promo only videos there is going to be some easier way. Any help would be great. Thanks.


Not yet. Soon.
DJ Lique 5:47 AM - 26 May, 2008
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i started getting videos from [deleted] looks like for 10 a month you cant go wrong.


Why are the moderators not censoring these?
Dj Mayhem 7:32 AM - 26 May, 2008
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There are too many "dj's" popping up in my area. About eight of them are using a hard drive copied from a radio station Serato machine. (They claim they work there and it's 100% legit -- yea.)


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Glad i didnt take that job... Dont worry, most those mp3's are probably predone sh@tty mashups..............

ANYWHOOOO...

I dont live there anymore what do i care? although i hear people are gunnin for my slots on air...too bad i still hold them from here :)


My favorite was when someone "mislabeled" the songs and for 3 minutes they were playing F-bombs on a Ludacris track at 8:30PM.


LOL
DJ J-Funk 10:49 AM - 1 July, 2008
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Does anybody know if there are any legal places to download the videos so i don't have to rip all day everyday? I know once I'm done ripping all these promo only videos there is going to be some easier way. Any help would be great. Thanks.


Not yet. Soon.


www.djvideosource.com is a high quality MP4 pool. So it'll save time from ripping DVDs all the time.
DJ Lique 11:16 AM - 2 July, 2008
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Does anybody know if there are any legal places to download the videos so i don't have to rip all day everyday? I know once I'm done ripping all these promo only videos there is going to be some easier way. Any help would be great. Thanks.


Not yet. Soon.


www.djvideosource.com is a high quality MP4 pool. So it'll save time from ripping DVDs all the time.


Not legal.
Awedamn 9:52 PM - 7 July, 2008
Isnt it legal to share your recorded tivo content with other tivo users?
DJ Lique 1:09 AM - 8 July, 2008
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Isnt it legal to share your recorded tivo content with other tivo users?


Not sure how that is relevant, but no.
Awedamn 1:44 AM - 8 July, 2008
Yeah its been a feature for a while. That was just a rhetorical question so people could learn what they can do.
www.informationweek.com
tech.commongate.com
You can even create your TiVo channel with scratchlive! www.onetruemedia.com
DJ Lique 8:34 PM - 8 July, 2008
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Yeah its been a feature for a while. That was just a rhetorical question so people could learn what they can do.
www.informationweek.com
tech.commongate.com
You can even create your TiVo channel with scratchlive! www.onetruemedia.com


In that sense yes it is legal. I thought you were referring to the numerous utilities that are available to rip videos down from MTV, VH1, BET etc once they are on the DVR itself.
dave 11:35 AM - 14 July, 2008
There are high quality versions of these MGMT videos for download on youtube (read the description). With the username of "mgmtmusic" it seems legit to me. I love these guys.

Electric Feel Watchwww.youtube.com
Time To Pretend Watchwww.youtube.com
DVDjHardy 12:58 PM - 16 July, 2008
Hell yeah Dave! Never would've thought that...thank you!!! :)
Awedamn 2:44 AM - 18 July, 2008
Can someone tell me how this rule on some videos I might buy can affect me?


We are operating LAWFULLY UNDER THE "FIRST SALE DOCTRINE" handed down By The Supreme Court of The united States
The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1908 and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C.109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. That means that a copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule".

With reference to trade in tangible merchandise, such as the retailing of goods bearing a trademark, the "first sale" rule serves to iimmunize a reseller from infringement liability. Such protection to the reseller extends to the point where said goods have not been altered so as to be materially different from those originating from the trademark owner. ( The Videos On This DVD set have NOT BEEN ALTERED)

In 1909 the codification originally applied to copies that had been sold (hence the "first sale doctrine"), but in the 1976 Act it was made to apply to any "owner" of a lawfully made copy or phonorecord (recorded music) regardless of whether it was first sold. So, for example, if the copyright owner licenses someone to make a copy (such as by downloading), then that copy (meaning the tangible medium of expression onto which it was copied under license, be it a hard drive or removable storage medium) may lawfully be sold, lent, traded, or given away.
dave 10:26 PM - 22 July, 2008
Another great video available for free. 10 points if you can play it out.

Radiohead - House of Cards: download.radiohead.com

The data is available if you are nerdy enough to do your own remix: code.google.com
Mister DJ Law 11:42 AM - 20 August, 2008
Hi all. I didn't read all... too much stuff...

But you should go on

tbohiphop.net (all is free, maybe just have a rapidshare account, what i did, cauz if you want to get a lot of them)
or
www.ramvideo.com


Otherwise, i thought, if all the people who are here got some videos, it should be cool to share your videos.

Personnaly i got more 900 videos HIP HOP & RnB only. So...

By the way, sorry in advance if you don't understand all as well, cauz i am french.

Peace

Mister DJ Law 12:07 PM - 20 August, 2008
Notice :
All my videos are in H.264 (arround 60 Mo each) with no logos
All Tagged (Done with iTunes)
All BPM calculated (AND NOT IN AUTO MODE, but one by one by ME...)

I will share them with pleasure, but I will share quality so, please do the same...

Peace
DJTaino 1:26 PM - 20 August, 2008
mister dj, you are not suppose to be offering videos here.... that's one of the rules.
marknonsense1 3:41 PM - 20 August, 2008
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Hi all. I didn't read all... too much stuff...

But you should go on

tbohiphop.net (all is free, maybe just have a rapidshare account, what i did, cauz if you want to get a lot of them)
or
www.ramvideo.com


Otherwise, i thought, if all the people who are here got some videos, it should be cool to share your videos.

Personnaly i got more 900 videos HIP HOP & RnB only. So...

By the way, sorry in advance if you don't understand all as well, cauz i am french.

Peace



Damn son that tbohiphop.net would be cool if I didn't have most of the Sh** now. . . lol You could of save me a lot of money but I'm download a vid now for testing.
Mister DJ Law 3:50 PM - 20 August, 2008
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mister dj, you are not suppose to be offering videos here.... that's one of the rules.


Sorry, I didn't know. But SERATO (whitch one i like so much) does not give or explain anything about "how to get videos" and they do not give any software who can be able to compress any videos in the good format, but they only explain how to use a "bastard" freeware... whitch one i tryed and... anyway.

So, I don't subject to give some videos straight by this forum. But just have some contact to share some videos that u can get for free on several websites like www.TBOhiphop.net

More people who will be able to have some Music Videos ready to be play, more SERATO could sell some SL VIDEO... NO ?

Otherwise, sorry again. I just wanted to do a good thing.
DJTaino 1:05 AM - 21 August, 2008
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mister dj, you are not suppose to be offering videos here.... that's one of the rules.


Sorry, I didn't know. But SERATO (whitch one i like so much) does not give or explain anything about "how to get videos" and they do not give any software who can be able to compress any videos in the good format, but they only explain how to use a "bastard" freeware... whitch one i tryed and... anyway.

So, I don't subject to give some videos straight by this forum. But just have some contact to share some videos that u can get for free on several websites like www.TBOhiphop.net

More people who will be able to have some Music Videos ready to be play, more SERATO could sell some SL VIDEO... NO ?

Otherwise, sorry again. I just wanted to do a good thing.


Oh is good. I just though I'll let you know...
eye357 3:32 AM - 21 August, 2008
how do u download from that site dj law
marknonsense1 3:40 AM - 21 August, 2008
Mac user, I download the video and it's in a .rar file. So, if you're on a mac you'll need to get IArchiver you'll know the rest from there. . .
Mister DJ Law 7:33 AM - 21 August, 2008
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Oh is good. I just though I'll let you know...


No beef...


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how do u download from that site dj law


U just have to choose what video you want, u click and download through rapidshare, megaupload...
And if one video does not appear straight, go on the forum/discussion of the video to get the rapidshare link.

Hope u understood me (Still sorry for my english)

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Mac user, I download the video and it's in a .rar file. So, if you're on a mac you'll need to get IArchiver you'll know the rest from there. . .


Personnaly I use a PC to convert and uncompress videos from TBOHipHop.net
After downloading, I use :
Lupasrename to replace _ by a space (and otha stuff...)
Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate ($55 it's not expensive for what it does) to convert all videos in H.264 (sorry, i don't remember the configuration, but u can choose APPLE TV, and then it's OR MP4 OR ACC OR something else for the song, I will check later. And to finish u choose quality video and song u want, pay attention to do it before have sected all videos)
TagScanner to fill all tags automatically

After go on MAC
Then, i use BeaTunes to find the BPM manually (cauz it aint MP3, but Video files. Do not try the auto BPM, becauz it does not work correctly ! I tryed auto BPM on several freewares and it was the same thang...)
And now in iTunes all is ready and u can enjoy ur mix on SL Video.

Hope I was enough clear on my meannings AND sorry again for my "bad"english (I am French)

Good Luck !



Mister DJ Law 11:49 AM - 21 August, 2008
I did a mistake
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And to finish u choose quality video and song u want, pay attention to do it before have sected all videos

It is not BEFORE but AFTER
Sorry
eye357 12:08 PM - 21 August, 2008
tx...figured it out for pc. download thru rapidshare its a rar. file extract it w/ proper program....mkv file convert in magic video convertor to proper mp4 settings..looks great.
Mister DJ Law 2:01 PM - 21 August, 2008
Yes, I think it works but like u don't have all videos in MKV, i prefered convert them all in only one format with the same configuration.
After if you feel that s enought in MKV, cool it will avoid you to spend time and money. Not like me Lol... Anyway

And yes ! rapid share give you .rar files but I think it's easier to extract videos from .rar rather to buy each video or exctract them from DVD's...

DJ Czar 7:59 PM - 21 August, 2008
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As to MEPG4, I personally chose not to use it quite yet as it is hard on laptop processors (they sometimes freeze because they don't have enough ram). As well, outside of H.264... I have yet to see a MPG4 codec that delivers the clarity and proper frame structure of a VOB/MPEG2 file.

This has to be the biggest misconception ever and I can't believe people still think this! MPEG-4/H.264 were designed to be the SUCCESSORS to MPEG-2. All new BluRay releases, for example, the successor to DVDs, use H.264/AVC. These codecs are much more advanced and yield video quality much higher and at lower bitrates than MPEG-2. IF. ENCODED. PROPERLY. Unfortunately, most content we see in those formats originated as MPEG-2 (primarily on DVD), and thus a true comparison cannot be made (the only way it could would be if uncompressed video was used as source.) It is also a fact that very few consumer available H.264 encoders support interlaced video. For example, even QuickTime does not. Which means that proper interlaced video is NOT possible in VSL. If you give an MPEG-4/H.264 encoder an interlaced video but do not specifically TELL it that it's interlaced, the video will be encoded as progressive and all field relationships will be broken. What that means for you is BAD PERCEIVED VIDEO QUALITY. Deinterlacing will always lose resolution, no matter how good your deinterlacer is. The only way to restore progressive video with music video content is to use reverse telecine, which removes the extra fields added and pulls the framerate down to its original 24. However, this is quite tricky as most music videos are not edited in a 24fps timeline and the effects, transitions, speed ramps are all rendered at 60i. This means that it is impossible to truly "restore" the video to progressive without negatively affecting something.

Until the same source used by PO/ScreenPlay used to encode their content to MPEG-2 can also be used to encode it to H.264, MPEG-2 will always look better. Until proper field/frame relationships can be maintained (whether as encoding it as true interlaced or using reverse telecine), MPEG-2 will always look better. It is a fact that a transcode can never look as good as its source. With an advanced codec such as h.264 it does come close, but it's still never 1:1 quality.

Sadly, it seems we are far away from true H.264 encodes. I am almost certain that all of the "MP4" video pools today encode their content from label provided promo DVDs (and believe it or not, many of these promo DVDs are made using over-the-counter DVD recorders, because they're cheap, easy to use and quick, I've seen it with my very own eyes.) I very much doubt these pools have DigiBeta decks and capture stations to do a "proper" encode. It is also much cheaper for a label to send out mass replicated DVDs than it is to dub DigiBeta masters, for which stock is quite expensive as well as operator time. I've heard that even the "big 3" DVD pools we talk about here encode some of their content from digital deliverables (probably a high bitrate MPEG-2 file, ~15mbps or so, FTPd by a label's fulfillment house.)

All of this adds to the general impression that H.264 "sucks" and MPEG-2 is "the best." Or that H.264 is a smaller, worse quality alternative to MPEG-2. And that is not the case at all, it just is with the current workflow. In reality, H.264 blows MPEG-2 out of the water and I cannot wait till properly encoded H.264 videos surface so everyone can finally see once and for all!
D-Twizzle 8:31 PM - 21 August, 2008
DJ Czar hit it right on the money. I would have said all that many months ago, but I'm too lazy to type it out.
If PO and Screen Play were to render their videos to MP4 at 3mbps, it would look better than their vob/dvd renders.
Since people are buying these DVDs and then converting it to MP4, of course it won't look as good as an mpeg2/vob, but some people don't realize that.

I bought a DigiBeta deck a few months ago on ebay since I get digibeta tapes from the labels.
Matt G 11:15 PM - 21 August, 2008
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Otherwise, i thought, if all the people who are here got some videos, it should be cool to share your videos.

Personnaly i got more 900 videos HIP HOP & RnB only. So...


Mister DJ Law, the topic of this thread is "Legal places to get music videos".

Trading your video files with others is not legal. The sites you linked to also do not look very legal. Please keep discussion to only legal sources.

Thanks.
Mister DJ Law 8:02 AM - 22 August, 2008
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Mister DJ Law, the topic of this thread is "Legal places to get music videos".

Trading your video files with others is not legal. The sites you linked to also do not look very legal. Please keep discussion to only legal sources.

Thanks.


OK Sorry man...
DJ SABreFEX 10:29 PM - 27 August, 2008
Aight... I've come across a couple of places that have subscriptions for Videos and Music:

Rockamerica.com
my12inch.com

These are Video pools that folks can join. The videos are tagged just like Promo only.
Dj Mayhem 10:09 PM - 28 August, 2008
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mister dj, you are not suppose to be offering videos here.... that's one of the rules.


Sorry, I didn't know. But SERATO (whitch one i like so much) does not give or explain anything about "how to get videos" and they do not give any software who can be able to compress any videos in the good format, but they only explain how to use a "bastard" freeware... whitch one i tryed and... anyway.

So, I don't subject to give some videos straight by this forum. But just have some contact to share some videos that u can get for free on several websites like www.TBOhiphop.net

More people who will be able to have some Music Videos ready to be play, more SERATO could sell some SL VIDEO... NO ?

Otherwise, sorry again. I just wanted to do a good thing.



did they every tell you where to get music i n the first place? isnt that a dj's job.... /sigh

slackin ass no heart djs these days....
eye357 12:23 AM - 29 August, 2008
8thwonderpromos.com 10 bucks a month thats all i have to say!
Dj Mi'gue 8:55 PM - 10 September, 2008
anyone know where to get latin videos? promo has some but not what i am looking for. thanx
eye357 3:41 AM - 11 September, 2008
I have actually been buying dvd of old salsa classic then ripping them. but if u are looking for new stuff promo has those but not all one genre. promo doesnt understand there is latin rock, reggaeton, bachata, merengue,salsa etc...what are u looking for Mi'gue. I spin stuff like hector lavoe,victor manulle,marc anthony.
DJTaino 8:25 AM - 11 September, 2008
hey migue, I have been looking for the same and I believe there isn't another place. I would love to find out...

I play mostly salsa, merengue, bachata and reggaeton
Culprit 9:22 PM - 11 September, 2008
Taino, your best bet is the promo only latin dvd series.

[www.promoonly.com]

I know smashvidz is starting to dwelve into reggaeton, merengue and salsa w/ extended intro's, but the legallity is in question. I use the service, and it seems real legit.

I myself buy my dvds from Ritmo Latino [www.ritmolatino.com], i would suggest a local.google.com search in your area.
eye357 11:10 PM - 11 September, 2008
yeah promo has some btu you have to understand...classic salsa is a large part of a salsa night in any club or venue but promo does have a few, smash is throwing a couple up but i will look for new sources..i will keep in touch
DJTaino 7:03 AM - 12 September, 2008
thanks guys...
Niro 4:31 AM - 13 September, 2008
DJ Czar hit it on the money, I would have said this a year ago. But I didn't even know what h 2.64 encoding was, haha.

I'm very pleased with the current quality of my videos, I've been playing them on really big screens and plasmas also.

Niros
cappinkirk 5:31 PM - 15 September, 2008
my12inch.com has a bunch of latin videos but they seem to put them up all at once and then not at all for a few months
DjFelixFresh 9:07 PM - 6 October, 2008
yhea that site already seems shady. Prolly not a legal source for vids.
eye357 11:40 PM - 6 October, 2008
cool i need latin videos.....old school salsa stuff
DjFelixFresh 1:12 AM - 7 October, 2008
my last post here is not supposed to be in this thread. That is strange I posted it somewhere else.
eye357 2:27 AM - 7 October, 2008
this place is haunted!!!lol
Sonar 8:32 PM - 7 October, 2008
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Wow you're not even trying to help other DJs by teaching them. . . Now that's just wrong!


Let me clarify. I have spent countless hours through the years mastering my craft with video programming in nightclubs (since '99). I have been doing video productions since I borrowed my brother's 8mm FILM camera doing timelapse, claymation, etc. since I was 12 years old. Teaching myself, experimenting, trial & error, researching, etc... and someone asks.."can you teach me everything you know?"... you know how many times I have had to play "tech support" for friends and sometimes new acquaintances I just met whom want to "pick my brain" on how to do something related to DJ-ing, audio/video productions, etc... I usually do a case by case basis and help out in the best way I can.

I you spent an enormous amount of time in school getting your phd. Would you just pass the diploma on to someone who asks "can you teach me all you learned in school, give me your diploma so I can find a good job like yours?" would you do it?

There is a fine line between helping a buddy out and someone trying to take advantage in order to get ahead. We live in an "instant gratification" society now and people want instant results when they "want" something. There are few people that actually earn it or put in the time to fully appreciate it.



I'm with you on that Phat-Al. I mean I spend hours upon hours getting video and finding the perfect video samples. I don't want to give them to anyone. In fact out of our VJing crew, we rarely share clips between each other. It's understood that the sample is their's and that when we perform live that's their clip to use to wow the crowd.

And yes we do live in a society based off instant gratification. For instance a friend of mine tried to explain to me the concepts of "controllerism" and even compared it to being one in the same as "turntablism." I respect the fact that people are being inovative with controllers and are learning how to crab scratch with a series of buttons, But there is no soul there and no practice, just linking a few buttons.
marknonsense1 9:05 PM - 7 October, 2008
Yeah that's all good but teaching is not sharing. . . I know it's really hard to teach people now BTW. They all just want to jump on and not really listen or take the time to learn. I really wish I had one parter who cared to get as good as I wish to be but for the right reasons. I think team DJs are way more fun to watch then just one guy. . . Plus I would love to have a host who can hype the crowd like me or at least DJ good as I get them going. . .

Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to hard and would like to work with known DJs but most just want you to kiss ass and DJ for free or never listen to an idea! At least with my events if I suck it's cause I suck but I did everything I want to do . . . I thank god I've had some really good turn outs!
eye357 9:08 PM - 7 October, 2008
Grasshopper take this rock from my hand!....LMAO How do you get to Carnegy Hall?.......PRACTICE.....P.S. I know I spelled carnegy wrong but u know what I mean lol
marknonsense1 9:18 PM - 7 October, 2008
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Grasshopper take this rock from my hand!....LMAO How do you get to Carnegy Hall?.......PRACTICE.....P.S. I know I spelled carnegy wrong but u know what I mean lol



lol NO I DON'T. . . <--- haha

Practice on what? I'm not talking mixing if that's what you think. . . I'll eat a DJ for lunch. I'm talking PRODUCTION, Lighting/ Sound, over all look and feel of the event.

Here's me mixing live ( LIVE so I do hit and miss transitions) . . . I didn't know half of the songs but I really liked the feel of it, so I have it posted on my myspace

www.zshare.net
eye357 10:41 PM - 7 October, 2008
It's a New York joke Carnegy is a famous hall for artist entertainners etc.... and relax mark I am talking about people asking for help and those expecting someone to
spoon feed them everything and they do not put in effort....chill,relax....it's all good. lol
marknonsense1 1:09 AM - 8 October, 2008
relax? I'm good . . . lol any who, what did you think about the mix. . . ?
DJ Dan-E 5:38 AM - 20 October, 2008
Well to answers someones question that was posted way earlier about legality of playing videos with clips of movies being added to them. This question was asked to 2nd Nature and DJ Roonie G out in Atlantic City this year. According to the FBI screen it is illegal to rip any part of a movie. However 2nd Nature was approached by one of the big name movie companies and they asked him to do a re-mix of an upcoming movie. We were told that Pioneer has had legal team looking into the matter but its a realy Gray area, however that is why Roonie G and 2 Nature are not selling any of their remixes because this would definately cross the line.
The Video scene is a new area, and getting bigger. So I am sure we will see some info come out within the next year on legality of using video clips.
dj king g 9:40 AM - 21 October, 2008
Ok well i have had the 57 for a bit now im gonna start getting into video since nobody doing it here. But my question is i have some mp4 videos. And i wanna get more, I have seen 8th wonder promos mentioned on here a couple of times. I was just wondering if anybody knew what kind of video files they provide. Is it mp4 or what???? I see they are a good price and from what i have read on here they are legit. Please any feedback on these sight before i sign up for it. thanks Ohhh yeahh and i did search the forum but couldnt find the answers i was looking for.
DJ-Phat-AL 1:38 PM - 21 October, 2008
8th wonder files are mp4 video.

probably not a "legit" business. I have seen them re-brand promo only videos as their own. Their remix videos are not the greatest in quality and creativity, navigating through the site is a nightmare, etc...

but.. you get what you pay for.
eye357 9:09 PM - 21 October, 2008
Ugh!!!! Right in the heart DJ Phat-Al that hurt!!! What a way to thank me after the Eddie Grant-eletric avenue look out and 8thwonderpromos did a make over dj king easier to nav thru. And it's gonna be a wicked Halloween with serato....mad horror clips......utilizing theme from halloween.....nice!!!!
DJ-Phat-AL 9:20 PM - 21 October, 2008
I mean nothing personal about it.

I haven't been on the site in about a month or so. I just frustrated after a while. Downloading videos that were not REALLY theirs to distribute. And navigating through the site was not easy. Some of the remix content is good and some not so good... just a matter of opinion.

Electric ave? Was that you who sent it to me? I was looking for a non-watermarked/tagged version... but if it was you... I do appreciate it & I will contact you again on stuff... ;-)

- to the mods: I am not posting about trading files or anything illegal. If you think it looks that way I apologize in advance.
nik39 9:35 PM - 21 October, 2008
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I have seen them re-brand promo only videos as their own.

Where which one?
DJ-Phat-AL 9:42 PM - 21 October, 2008
I can't remember off hand... but I will look for one specific.

be back with the results.
DJ-Phat-AL 9:47 PM - 21 October, 2008
dj disciple - work it out

in the original videos section...

look right after their tag...(about 15 seconds in) on the bottom right hand side of the screen. It is a promo only watermark. The UK branch of Promo Only does the watermark instead of text tagline.
DJ-Phat-AL 9:47 PM - 21 October, 2008
so how legit are they if they do that shady kind of business....?
eye357 10:31 PM - 21 October, 2008
OUCH.......that hurt...........
matt212 10:56 PM - 21 October, 2008
Here's a screen shot of one of the rebranded videos. Cut off the Promo Only at the bottom and replaced with their tag which is not even the same font.

i78.photobucket.com
Funkytownstopsix 2:39 AM - 22 October, 2008
damn,,!!!!!!!!!
DJ-Phat-AL 2:46 AM - 22 October, 2008
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OUCH.......that hurt...........


I know... truth hurts.
dj king g 6:45 AM - 22 October, 2008
mann that sucks... does anybody use these videos for mixing... what about smash vidz
marknonsense1 6:56 AM - 22 October, 2008
I got the whole smash vid site and I don't think they put up enough videos for the money! Promo only express is WAK also! if anything get hot video or urban and call it a day! You'll thank me for it later!
nik39 9:15 AM - 22 October, 2008
Quote:
Quote:

OUCH.......that hurt...........

I know... truth hurts.

Uh... that's pretty dumb from 8th. They risk some fine ass law suits.
eye357 10:31 AM - 22 October, 2008
I did notice some funny stuff in the beginning but 8th is up to par now,,,all these video sites started out funny at first. 8th's on point now.
DJ-Phat-AL 1:48 PM - 22 October, 2008
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,,,all these video sites started out funny at first. 8th's on point now.


are trying to convince all of us or yourself...?

just like the old wal-mart slogan... "stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap."
$10/month sounds appealing but there is no way they could deliver LEGIT content and sell it that cheap. Just a matter of time before they get either shut down or lose all creditability with the industry all together.
eye357 2:02 PM - 22 October, 2008
True Phat but I am just gonna keep getting videos from there and other video sites, cause you have to keep several sources for music.. If one shuts I still have memberships to others..only makes sense. speaking of walmart...i like kmart...lol PEACE PHAT!!!
Funkytownstopsix 5:15 PM - 22 October, 2008
Can anyone tell me how come videos are played on the air for weeks and sometimes motnths before we can get them. Like PO takes way to long glad I didn't get express because at the end of the month you get the top ones anyway. All of this shit is wack as a Dj we stay on top and have all the new stuff well unless you do video. All Record company should have it so that you can go and get whatever video you want for a dollar each. This Shit sucks...hurry up and wait.
eye357 5:56 PM - 22 October, 2008
True dat Funkytown, listen I have been spinning when record pools were just that record pools. I would get so much music so early that when I would rock an unknown
artist the crowd would be puzzled but a few months later after it started getting air play or several clubs rocked it enough it became a banger but i rocked early. That is what a REAL record pool is supposed to be for promoting the artis and music and as a dj being the first one to rock, remember you would get a load of music 50% was wack 25% ok and then the rest known artists and unheard bangers and as a DJ u either had the ear to know a banger and start rocking it...example..as I am rocking mad disco and rock...I began sneaking white lines, the crowd was like who's the dude talking on the mic...a so so reaction...a few months later a certified banger(Grandmaster flash). that aspect of pools is gone...i guess cause it was cheaper to produce wax then a whole video but hell i have seen some wack videos too!!!!!
Funkytownstopsix 12:44 AM - 23 October, 2008
+1 that's how i came up...U forgot to say that some songs that you thought were wack would hit 2 even 3 years later. I recall getting Ice Cream Man by Master P I thought that was straight crap....that's the song that put him on the map.. Just seems that if they really cared to promote an artist they would place his video on a website no major money spent and all can download, or DJ's anyway. Doing video has been more a pain for that very reason because they see it on tv they think you have it too. My record pool is still good though I have the music just not vids...Oh well..
vjlb 5:47 PM - 3 November, 2008
hi if anyone wants some videos im selling some dvds i have . as i dont have my dvjs anymore . i got about 150 dvds all need a good home . if interested email me

[email removed]
lvmez 6:50 PM - 3 November, 2008
lol. you can't sell stuff on here.
Matt G 9:15 PM - 3 November, 2008
vjlb, please do not sell things on this site. Thanks.
2FAST4U 1:59 AM - 28 December, 2008
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I just got asked this question in my private message box but I think it needs to be said. I don't know about you guys but I see Screen Play ripping through my state putting night life music systems into every bar they can and marketing it as the replacement for the DJ. There are actually bars in Arizona (where I'm from) that only use this system. The chain of bars called Sandbar here only use Night Light and have eliminated the DJ all together. They have given a computer your job.

Now knowing that and having to choose between Promo Only or Screen Play which of the two is the right choice for he video DJ?

Yeah if you don't want to be replaced by a computer or ever have to compete with one DO NOT SUPORT SCREEN PLAY.
Promo Only is not going to come out with their own system to replace you.


Steel, Promo only was the ones that pioneered this technology. I installed a system from promo only back in 2005 in a local nightclub here in Louisville, KY. I can't find it on there website though. They used it durring the week and I used the dvj system on weekends.
eye357 2:28 AM - 28 December, 2008
we discussed this subject awhile ago....everyone know these corporations are up to no good. But hey, it's not personal it's business. Get in where u fit in.
marx 6:16 AM - 28 December, 2008
steel & doug are friends now m8. thats is well in the past.
electrodisiac 2:21 PM - 13 January, 2009
I use www.keepvid.com sometimes for video clips that are in the public domain.

allows you to download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm etc as .flv or sometimes even as .mp4 which is higher quality, still not great quality though.
Culprit 7:43 PM - 13 January, 2009
Quote:
I use www.keepvid.com sometimes for video clips that are in the public domain.

allows you to download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm etc as .flv or sometimes even as .mp4 which is higher quality, still not great quality though.


illegal
mizu 12:04 AM - 14 January, 2009
fo reala
nik39 12:09 AM - 14 January, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
I use www.keepvid.com sometimes for video clips that are in the public domain.

allows you to download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm etc as .flv or sometimes even as .mp4 which is higher quality, still not great quality though.


illegal

I don't think this is illegal, cause it just downloads the video. The same things happens when you watch that video in your browser. It will get illegal however if you use those files for public viewing/broadcast/giging.
Culprit 1:59 AM - 14 January, 2009
answers.yahoo.com

There is a topic about it here, which is completly unofficial, but i think it is illegal to download anything you do not own, or that is not copyright to you, without permission.
nik39 2:28 AM - 14 January, 2009
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but i think it is illegal to download anything you do not own, or that is not copyright to you, without permission.

If you're visiting youtube you will be breaking the law, since the files get downloaded to your harddrive in your cache.

This makes no sense.
Dj Nyce 6:10 AM - 14 January, 2009
word? i'll still use keepvid. what!?!
Culprit 6:36 AM - 14 January, 2009
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Quote:
but i think it is illegal to download anything you do not own, or that is not copyright to you, without permission.

If you're visiting youtube you will be breaking the law, since the files get downloaded to your harddrive in your cache.

This makes no sense.


I am talking about openly and willingly, downloading a video or song purposly, not as a hidden file or cache file that will be deleted unknowingly.

and u know what i mean nik... grrrr
nik39 12:45 PM - 14 January, 2009
Quote:
I am talking about openly and willingly, downloading a video or song purposly, not as a hidden file or cache file that will be deleted unknowingly.

You're still wrong. Sorry. ;)
DJ FLAVOR 2:22 AM - 15 January, 2009
SmashVidz & Crooklyn Clan have teamed up.

crooklynclan.net


Gotta luv tha Dre & Snoop - Nuttin' But A Club Thang
Luvin' tha scene where dude runs up behind girl in bikini and the scene loops.

Very Nice editing on the entire video.
DJ FLAVOR 2:26 AM - 15 January, 2009
Link to DJ King - DJ Trademark - Nuttin But A Club Thang

crooklynclan.net
goldpackage 5:41 AM - 15 January, 2009
Daft Punk vs Freeland - Aer OBAMA

greendotfilms.com

or

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ B Hoody 5:22 AM - 18 January, 2009
wow, must i say first that it took me so long to read all of this and i cant believe thata i did. i learned a lot and then i have many questions.

so first let me start off, 8thwondercdpool, is good for audio, not video, well at least not original video, they might have 1 upload a day, but for audio 10 a month its not that bad.

i have talked to a lot of vj's the past two months and they told me that my12inch.com, is a good site, which i have glanced at and it looks good, still debating.

and i have been to atlantic city for two years, and i know that promo onoly is good in a way, the only thing i dont like is that you have to wait a month to get the video.


bu my question is, if i record a video, (say with eye tv (mac product only)), can i still play that video at my events even if i keep it for myself, and not share it? with eyetv i can make that file i record anything? like this here>>>>> elgato.com
eye357 8:44 PM - 30 January, 2009
Hoody you can do what ever you like as far as video goes it's all about presentation, the best video are tagless videos direct from label where u can render them with minimal loss on visiuals. next is ripping dvds but most have chryons etc...and with no VOB support u still got to render them to mp4 next is video sites here there are chyrons(TEXT) but at least all the work is done for you and most of the time if the editor knows what being done the audio will be at 320. And trust me BET or MTV logos etc..., look tacky and forget about youTube, I mean you can use any of these sources but it is all relative to what type of VDJ you are. Do you want to look like a pro or something less. I mean to each his own people have to eat it doesn't bother me how a vdj gets down but I am saying is you want to keep upgrading your set to look as professional as possible it is a good look which WILL rEsult IN you GETTING more jobs!!!! holla!!!Damn i wrote too much.......LMFAO!!!!!!
DJ Grenade 6:18 PM - 18 February, 2009
any one have any suggestions for solutions with rock videos?
Culprit 6:56 PM - 18 February, 2009
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any one have any suggestions for solutions with rock videos?


Promo Only is the best so far. You can try rockamerica video pool [www.rockamericamusic.com]. I personally have no experience with that record pool, so someone else is going to have to chime in on their experiences.
ClubBusta 7:15 PM - 18 February, 2009
yea for rock the po po have a program just for that. rockamerica is out of it from what i've seen posted on other boards. they used to be on it but not any more it seems. screenplay has the best oldies for classic rock that i've seen though, but i don't get asked to play that much cherry pie crap any more thankfully.
Marky D 2:20 AM - 25 February, 2009
Hey guys:

Just wanted to let you know there's a brand new website with extended videos for DJs called Xtendamix. The best variety anywhere and it's all legit, right from the record labels. Check them out at www.xtendamix.com
Bassick 12:38 PM - 3 March, 2009
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Hey guys:

Just wanted to let you know there's a brand new website with extended videos for DJs called Xtendamix. The best variety anywhere and it's all legit, right from the record labels. Check them out at www.xtendamix.com


Good lookin' out!
djfaq 11:58 PM - 3 March, 2009
Quote:
Hey guys:

Just wanted to let you know there's a brand new website with extended videos for DJs called Xtendamix. The best variety anywhere and it's all legit, right from the record labels. Check them out at www.xtendamix.com


nice but the GUI is pretty bad also the selection...
gdubbz 8:47 PM - 4 March, 2009
ive just started doing video smashvidz.com has a promo thing on their site now its like 87 something for 3 months.. unlimitted downloads.. u can pay 87 bucks get every vid on their site!! extended intro, clean, dirty versions... the quality is great the only downfall is it doesnt really seem like they are adding videos as much as they maybe should..
Joshua Carl 9:26 PM - 4 March, 2009
Ive been in one way or anothr in and out of promo only for...geez... is it 10 years?
(audio first obviously)

heres what I dont get (and by ALL MEANS step in and correct me if i get this wrong)

Said record pool gets promos from the labels, generally for free.
they used to require extensive DJ Feedback, but i dont see that anymore.
so, now the pools reproduce this, put it on a compliation and sell it to the DJ.

the only thing they have over anyone else is the connections to get these
videos directly from the labels.

I totally understand its a business, and thats not what Im questioning.
and I AM NOT advocating sharing. But how can a company who gets a
product for free, and sells it to you turn around and tell you you cannot share it?
I guess Im playing legal devils advocate here. But if they give them to you "for promotional use only" yet, you pay for them. What (aside from them gathering them and putting them on a dvd) are you paying for if your not attaining the rights to do
what you want with them.
(I understand it operates like a record pool...with dues and what not)

Example.
I was in Masspool for some time. Id get my bi-weekly box of records...pull the jams
and usually just stockpile the junk.. who hasnt given away all those old promos to a young jock starting out? Because its a shitty record it doesent have rights?
or because its on vinyl rather than digits it isnt subjet to these laws?

Like I said, Im just paying devils advocate mostly here.
Im one who always try to "find the angle" or Sylar the shit out of something.

it does urk me when i glance through craigslist and see literally hundreds of ads for full harddrives for 300.00... we can only up our game so much, and drain our pockets so much if the competition is not "paying to play", in any sense of the term and undercuitting on top of that! end rant...BREAAAATHe
Culprit 6:02 PM - 5 March, 2009
Your paying for the service, connections, library & website maintenance, remixes, content all in one. It's a packaged deal. I personally do not have the time, even though I can, to try and track down the best quality videos, edit them, organize them, and hound the label for new content every day. I got a full time job, so i pay for these services. I am more worried about that 25 grand order that needs to be pumped out in two weeks than to fiddle around trying to xtend this video, or remix that video. I was able to do that before, but my priorities changed big time. I subscribe to smashvidz, promo only urban video, promo only latin video, and promo only hot video. If you pay smashvidz yearly its only $398 sumthin which comes out to like $33 a month, and the promo only series is like $300 a year as well (per service). Its well worth it since I dont have to worry about anything, its all done for me. I've been thinking about trying out screenplay tho.
Deejay Z 6:43 PM - 5 March, 2009
Screenplay is the shit!! Especially with all the SICK remixes on the Dance Vision Series...O AND IT DOESNT HAVE PO WATERMARKS!! ScreenPlay FTW!
DJTRaXxX 5:06 AM - 4 April, 2009
Some videos I'm trying to find, but haven't been able to. They are no longer available through Promo Only and I havne't found them on any record pools. Can anyone tell me of a legal place to buy good copies of these videos? PLEASE!!!!!

Fatman Scoop - Be Faithful

Too $hort - Shake That Monkey

Juvenile - Back That Azz Up (I have it, but the file is corrupt)
gdubbz 7:55 PM - 4 April, 2009
i got a few versions of be faithful it actually just not that long ago came on smash vidz.. theres also a transition to be faithful on crooklynclan.net... back that azz up is also on smashvidz or u can get diff mixes to it in the crooklynclan vault too... i dont have shake that monkey on video so not sure bout that one..
Joshua Carl 11:24 PM - 4 April, 2009
xtendamix has 2 or 3 of be faithful, as well as 2 or 3, it takes 2
Marky D 5:09 AM - 6 April, 2009
Be faithful was released in 2001 as an official release on Universal Music. It was released under "Fatman Scoop" and not under crooklyn clan. Also there are pieces missing from the original video. There is no "Zodiak Sign" and "Can I Get a" samples as those samples were never cleared for the video, so it's a lot shorter.

Xtendamix has 2 versions. The short one and the original edit. They also have the Fatman Scoop "It Takes Two" as well

They are legitimate copies
www.xtendamix.com
DjBlaze 8:08 AM - 15 April, 2009
Screenplay I thought only works with Virtual dj?

U gotta re-rip everything? whats up? Is it DVDs like PO?
eye357 12:33 PM - 15 April, 2009
dvds blaze, they work great like PO but no crazy watermarks
Semp Rok 12:43 PM - 15 April, 2009
I work direct with several artists and have been uploading mp4s of their video. The most recent videos uploaded are usually posted on my newsletter, but I have a few on the site at [link removed]. Contact me at [email removed] to get on the newsletter.
nemix 4:14 AM - 16 April, 2009
that 1 download limit on xtendamix sucks if you have a slightly buggy net connection! lol
nemix 5:36 AM - 16 April, 2009
yea, won't be holding my xtendamix subscription for that long...jaggies and compared to smashvidz qualities not too great (not terrible but smash vids is better)
djrayray0981 6:55 AM - 16 April, 2009
1 download per file does suck. But what also sucks is their video quality!! I was hoping they would improve, but the last couple of vidz that I downloaded, seem to be getting worse and worse! I like their video selection, but for the price and the quality of video's you get, just doesn't seem worth it. As for Smashvidz, very happy with them, just wish they would put down some more old school R & B vidz. They do from time to time. But need more!!!
Marky D 10:09 PM - 17 April, 2009
Hey guys:

Thanks for your comments. You are allowed one download so there is no account sharing. This was a request of the record labels, so we imposed it. However, if a download fails, let us know and we can reset it for you. As for quality, we've recently upped the quality, so some of the newer material should be better than older stuff. We are fixing up some of the older content bit by bit as well. It all depends on the original source as well. An uncompressed .mov will be better than a .vob which is encoded. We do our best. Your comments are always appreciated and will be taken into consideration

Thanks for the feedback
nemix 12:54 AM - 18 April, 2009
if you could have deinterlaced vids that would be great. Some of the new stuff I downloaded has a bunch of lines and artifacts which I read is from being interlaced lol
nemix 2:24 PM - 18 April, 2009
something else I think I just noticed marky D. No tags?
nemix 2:31 PM - 18 April, 2009
and I just tryed to tag two of the extendamix vids in winamp and they no longer play...at all...tried some of my vids to make sure it wasn't winamp and they still work fine after I tag them.
Marky D 3:42 PM - 18 April, 2009
We can start tagging them, no problem. The reason we didn't is because people like to tag the videos their own way, and we noticed that sometimes serato doesn't always keep the tagging info. We will start tagging them, no worries. Which videos don't play, so we can reset them for you? Also, which videos are interlaced? You can private message me if you'd like
Henry GQ 2:30 AM - 21 April, 2009
dood, we need boom boom pow. i have not seen it anywhere LOL
gdubbz 2:36 AM - 21 April, 2009
i have yet to see it either.... ive been gettin requests for it i gotta play an ambient video with it which sucks!!!
Joshua Carl 2:50 AM - 21 April, 2009
Ive seen it, but horrible webrips...
its a kool video, nothing spectacular.

pretty much the 4 of then singing into the camera with crazy computer effects.
some sweet clips of red & black cgi dancers..

not enough of fergies assetts for my taste.
it will be a huge video though
Henry GQ 3:06 AM - 21 April, 2009
better than the gay ass vid i got off of 8thwonder.
Demon 3:28 AM - 21 April, 2009
Niros made a pretty nice video for this track.
Henry GQ 3:34 AM - 21 April, 2009
yuh, i scooped it
DJ DisGrace 3:23 PM - 22 April, 2009
^^^ D'OH!

need it tonight.... Niro edit is tight still
djrayray0981 3:23 PM - 22 April, 2009
Nice, but how will the quality look? If it's anything like the other videos, then it would be very unusable to me.
ClubBusta 4:27 PM - 22 April, 2009
i thought xtend said it was only legal in canada? so now anybody can scoop from there?
Henry GQ 5:10 PM - 22 April, 2009
nope, i have a second residence there :P
ClubBusta 5:25 PM - 22 April, 2009
oh. that's right. me too. i forgot. pass me some fucked up bacon and a beer please. : P
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:08 PM - 22 April, 2009
its aboot time, eh
Culprit 6:16 PM - 22 April, 2009
dont forget to grab the pop.. er i mean soda
ChrisD 10:53 PM - 22 April, 2009
Xtendamix,

Advertising is not allowed on these forums. If you do it again I'll ban you.
Henry GQ 7:30 AM - 23 April, 2009
ban ban ban!
im just kidding i get some of muh stuff from...ummm... never mind
eye357 10:19 AM - 23 April, 2009
well damn, the craigslist killer should've got banned long ago too!
nemix 8:51 PM - 23 April, 2009
its almost friday!
Henry GQ 5:30 PM - 27 April, 2009
Marx
send me an email, i made two different edits..
gdubbz 8:07 PM - 6 May, 2009
is there a way to see whats on the site xtendamix before we subscribe???? i was subscrubing to smashvidz.. it just ran out and i may want to look for a new place it just seems like they dont update all that much..... and for the price getttin 3 or 4 good videos a month isnt really worth it to me.... and none of the sites let u see whats on there till u subscribe??.
DJ ALFA 6:13 PM - 13 May, 2009
Is there anywebsite for videos ... LIKE THE ITUNES ???

Just choose the video that we want -> buy it -> download it

SAY NO TO record pools....

anyone with me ?
DVDjHardy 6:17 PM - 13 May, 2009
Why would you say no to record pools? They provide a ton of music (and videos in this case) for very cheap.
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:39 PM - 13 May, 2009
I really appreciate the pools I belong to.
J Studda 2:41 PM - 14 May, 2009
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I really appreciate the pools I belong to.


What pools do you belong to?
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:49 PM - 14 May, 2009
Franchise
Smashvidz
my12inch
whitelabel
J Studda 7:36 PM - 14 May, 2009
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Franchise
Smashvidz
my12inch
whitelabel


I tried "my12inch" and compared to 8thwonder the vid quality was not as good. also the price 8thwonder is just 10 bucks a month you should check it out. I'm gonna try the others though, thanks
Funkytownstopsix 5:38 PM - 22 May, 2009
Quote:
Is there anywebsite for videos ... LIKE THE ITUNES ???

Just choose the video that we want -> buy it -> download it

SAY NO TO record pools....

anyone with me ?


I wish it was like that as well because you can pick and choose no more fillers not only that it would make the pools get on their game. Think about if you get promo express really how many videos do you use from it. Yet you pay a lot for the service. I will say its a good service because you get the videos before the montly subscriber. Yet if you could pick30 videos for yourself a month I promise you your collection would be steller. It would be a better way for me. I like all types of music I wouldn't be stuck in one genre if you could choose what you want which would save all of us money because we wouldn't have to subscribe to urban , dance, pop ect ect...... IMO
eye357 8:20 PM - 22 May, 2009
Listen Funky I feel you, but it is hard to find a pool that has all the Polka music you want. It is a hard genre to sell. Ahahahahahahahaahahahahha
eye357 8:22 PM - 22 May, 2009
here u go Funky

a367.yahoofs.com
eye357 8:23 PM - 22 May, 2009
I got the remixes too...hahahahahahahaha
Funkytownstopsix 5:58 AM - 23 May, 2009
Whatever I won't go there EYE...Not tonight anyway... Sometimes I think your Eddie Murphy or someone like that.
Dj Chubrock 1:46 AM - 27 May, 2009
Seriously no such thing as legal... how many DJ's on this site pay BMI for using the music others produced! Even if you buy it you can't play it in public unless you pay the licensing fees... read the fine print on your promo only!
Marky D 2:34 AM - 27 May, 2009
In Canada, the Clubs pay a SOCAN fee which goes to the artists, not the DJs.
Dj Chubrock 1:50 AM - 28 May, 2009
For sure... the clubs what about all the wedding DJ's out there that use the video's and don't pay. We are producing our own music as well as playing back others and my company pays the fees man! It is only right... We build it into our customers cost.
DVDjHardy 1:56 AM - 28 May, 2009
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For sure... the clubs what about all the wedding DJ's out there that use the video's and don't pay. We are producing our own music as well as playing back others and my company pays the fees man! It is only right... We build it into our customers cost.


In USA, the venue is responsible for paying ASCAP+BMI licensing fees. Not the DJ.

Your company pays "the fees"? To who?
Amek 7:35 PM - 27 June, 2009
YOu guys should try www.mixnight.com
you only pay $5.99 a month.
YOu can download and post your own mixes there.
check it out.
Bassick 8:29 PM - 27 June, 2009
Thanks for looking out. That server they use is really slow though. DO you work with them and if so, any chance the speed will pick up? THX!
fcprod1 8:45 PM - 29 June, 2009
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YOu guys should try www.mixnight.com
you only pay $5.99 a month.
YOu can download and post your own mixes there.
check it out.



ill check it out!
Joshua Carl 8:48 PM - 29 June, 2009
i THOUGHT I already wrote this...

but they have under 100 videos, and judging by some of the file sizes Im a bit hesitant. alot of the stuff they have I dont see on too many services, but its also stuff I particularly dont need.
Bassick 9:58 PM - 29 June, 2009
I subscribed for the 3 month option thinking I would save and it might be like 8thWonder. I wish I did the one month and, quit and saved the coin. The selection is small and the server is slow. I know it'll grow and has good potential but I truth fully do not need 65 remixes of Pitbull. The site is mainly DJ mixes that are uploaded congest the entire site. I'm not trying to dog it but it really doesn't have a great variety of music. It mainly caters to Latino Club Bangers. If you want random DJ remixes, this is it. While some tracks are good and it shows promise, I would wait. JMO and giving my 2cents?
Bassick 9:59 PM - 29 June, 2009
I subscribed for the 3 month option thinking...

Correction = 4month (quarterly) $14.99
Funkytownstopsix 12:55 AM - 30 June, 2009
U guys didn't learn from the Iphone...Any time something new comes out, Never be the first to go buy it, wait and test the waters. Yet in the end if all you lost was $15 you will live.
Bassick 1:30 AM - 30 June, 2009
LOL. I was gonna use that exact analogy, weird. HAHAHA... I didn't because I use and LOVE my iPhone however. ;)
DJ Freebird 4:01 PM - 3 July, 2009
YOUR REMIX is now offering remixed videos...
Check them out @ <Link removed>
Once you are on the video page, click New Releases at the top to see all the newest video releases, or search through them by category on the left side.
eye357 4:42 PM - 3 July, 2009
looks good freebird nice work......
DJ Freebird 4:44 PM - 3 July, 2009
thanks...
eye357 4:45 PM - 3 July, 2009
yo just pm you hit me back
Steve Dub. 5:00 PM - 5 July, 2009
IBTL!!!!
Culprit 2:23 AM - 6 July, 2009
shooting star party rock remix is dope freebird.
Jimbo 8:09 PM - 6 July, 2009
re: shooting star party rock remix.

way to re-edit an itunes video and put an obnoxious bumper on the front. good job.
marknonsense1 9:11 PM - 6 July, 2009
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re: shooting star party rock remix.

way to re-edit an itunes video and put an obnoxious bumper on the front. good job.


lol
Culprit 3:24 PM - 7 July, 2009
oh no way.. wtf.. i take that back then [heads to itunes to download]
Serato, Moderator
Warik 10:04 PM - 7 July, 2009
Quote:
YOURREMIX is now offering remixed videos...
Check them out @ .yourremix.com
Once you are on the video page, click New Releases at the top to see all the newest video releases, or search through them by category on the left side.


Freebird, I find it very hard to believe you have the rights to remix and then sell those remixes. I don't know how metallica for example, would feel from you benefitting selling their music.
Bren 11:11 PM - 7 July, 2009
On this scale, remixes aimed at DJ's it's not going to generate a sizable return, not the kind of money that would trouble Metallica for example, it's an alternative version yes, but it's only an alternative version if you know the original...

Remixes and mashes can benefit the industry indirectly, because they can prolong the life of the music, act as advertising and throw the song into a new context (for example a rock song aimed at goths now being played to Electro House heads).

Different labels have a different view on it, that's the reality. Smaller labels (less money) are not too impressed by it, larger labels are often more open to the idea.
Serato, Moderator
Warik 11:35 PM - 7 July, 2009
I understand, and agree, but it seems as though freebird is advertising his service, which isn't allowed in these forums.
Gregg 11:20 AM - 8 July, 2009
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re: shooting star party rock remix.

way to re-edit an itunes video and put an obnoxious bumper on the front. good job.


I can tell you he didn't get it from I-Tunes because it's not I-Tunes plus, I checked. It's one that's copy protected. And anytime I've tried to use one of those programs to convert a copy-protected file off I-tunes it looks like crap. In fact a lot of the I-Tunes plus vids don't even look that great when converted to MP4. I've got quite a few Freebird vids. Some off of Crooklyn Clan and a few off your remix. The quality of the vids he uses is always really good. As somebody that buys a lot of videos, I'll excuse slightly lower quality if it's an older vid like something from the 80's. But if it's new, I expect it to be super clean looking. You can easily tell if it's off of I-Tunes. I know it's seems you were just wanting to hate on the guy. But in this case you're wrong.
Bren 11:56 AM - 8 July, 2009
The quality of the videos on I-Tunes vary quite largely, some are nasty whilst others are spot on, it's hit and miss.
Millz 12:26 PM - 8 July, 2009
35 percent is wack.
Jimbo 8:29 PM - 8 July, 2009
oh really? just because you couldn't get the desired results does not mean that they do not work. there is no "hate" in the previous post. his remix is at the itunes frame size with the white borders cut off. if the quality was "really good" and was from a legitimate source would it not be at full NTSC or PAL frame size? the thread is titled "legal places to get music videos" and any source posted should be able to stand up to our scrutiny.
dj claw 1:05 AM - 9 July, 2009
i got two questions how do you make your logo loike your dj name in the corner and i think the vjs should help out the new ones cause it cost alot of money and its fun
Culprit 3:54 AM - 9 July, 2009
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i got two questions how do you make your logo loike your dj name in the corner and i think the vjs should help out the new ones cause it cost alot of money and its fun


there is only one question i see here.. whats the second question?
Bren 8:22 AM - 9 July, 2009
Most download services offer their videos at either 640x480 or 640x360 - these are typical MP4 resolutions, it doesn't mean the video is sourced from itunes.

I edit AVI's and encode them to high quality MP4 using these resolutions, you can check my videos if you have difficulty believing me, PM me if you like.
Culprit 2:13 PM - 9 July, 2009
640x480 & 640x360 or 363 is perfect playing size. Just set your output window display to 640x480.
Funkytownstopsix 6:52 PM - 9 July, 2009
Will have to try that... Thanks Culprit.
Culprit 7:13 PM - 9 July, 2009
no prob bob
dj claw 9:48 PM - 10 July, 2009
yeah but still i wanna know how to make your logo to do videos can any one help me
Henry GQ 5:36 PM - 12 July, 2009
can someone post a direct link to the i tunes..
DaveAwesome 2:39 AM - 14 July, 2009
Open Itunes and click on the Itunes Store. I'm buying and downloading videos from them when I have to grab them quick for a gig. Quality Varies. Not as good as getting them from somewhere else.
fluxus 2.1 7:13 PM - 29 July, 2009
i got most of my videos from www.exclusivegrooves.com.

Quality is pretty good (most of the times). I hada few video's with bad audio though. 50 dollars a month.

you can download all the videos and start using it right away with serato.

tnx for all the links, it's been really useful.
DJDAMNAGE 10:41 PM - 29 July, 2009
I can assure you that the RIAA will be knocking down Freebirds front door in no time. He better hide those profits.example: heavyweightdj.com
DJ-Phat-AL 8:39 AM - 30 July, 2009
^^^

for mixtapes?!?!

wow...
marx 12:01 AM - 31 July, 2009
more like taxes. government wants there money!
DJ-Phat-AL 3:11 PM - 1 August, 2009
^^^^

damn democrats..
djpuma_gemini 10:11 PM - 12 August, 2009
So, how do you pay or charge taxes on illegal shit.
Excuse me sir, that dime bag's gonna cost you $12 because of taxes
nliz24 9:35 PM - 19 September, 2009
Does anyone know what the deal with itunes plus in itunes 9 is. Are all video files itunes plus now. Where does it say? I'm confused
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:12 AM - 20 September, 2009
no they are not all plus yet. At the bottom of the itunes music store there is a tag labeled Browse.

Click that and it will give you + status
nliz24 7:07 AM - 22 September, 2009
Quote:
no they are not all plus yet. At the bottom of the itunes music store there is a tag labeled Browse.

Click that and it will give you + status


Thanks man,. I can't tell you how much time I have been looking for that. Actually a much better way to browse itunes as well, in my opinion.. Thanks again
buntz 8:53 AM - 19 November, 2009
Thanks for the links guys. :) I'm keen to get into it and had no idea where to start.
djreyg 1:57 AM - 12 December, 2009
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Millz 1:59 AM - 12 December, 2009
ibtl
marx 2:22 AM - 12 December, 2009
this will never be locked. just comments deleted.
Culprit 2:31 AM - 12 December, 2009
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[post removed]


"LEGAL PLACES TO GET MUSIC VIDEOS" is the name of the thread last time i checked..
PopRoXxX 11:57 PM - 12 December, 2009
^^^ Lol!
dj lad 1:12 AM - 13 December, 2009
I've mentioned this before, but many directors post high quality H264 versions of videos on their personal websites for download. It's really invaluable, especially for videos that may not have gotten a mass release on Promo Only or one of the other VJ services. I can't count the number of times I've found a video on a director's website (or a production company) that I've been looking for for a long time.
nik39 2:02 AM - 13 December, 2009
Quote:
I've mentioned this before, but many directors post high quality H264 versions of videos on their personal websites for download. It's really invaluable, especially for videos that may not have gotten a mass release on Promo Only or one of the other VJ services. I can't count the number of times I've found a video on a director's website (or a production company) that I've been looking for for a long time.

Like...?
DJ DisGrace 5:02 AM - 13 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
I've mentioned this before, but many directors post high quality H264 versions of videos on their personal websites for download. It's really invaluable, especially for videos that may not have gotten a mass release on Promo Only or one of the other VJ services. I can't count the number of times I've found a video on a director's website (or a production company) that I've been looking for for a long time.

Like...?


+1

do tell
D-Twizzle 5:52 AM - 13 December, 2009
don't tell
DJ-Phat-AL 5:56 AM - 13 December, 2009
hmmm... something d-twizzle wanting to keep a secret
D-Twizzle 5:59 AM - 13 December, 2009
Al, PM me your mailing address, i got your christmas present ready to ship to you.
DJ-Phat-AL 8:23 AM - 13 December, 2009
I did... didn't you get it?
PopRoXxX 4:01 PM - 13 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I've mentioned this before, but many directors post high quality H264 versions of videos on their personal websites for download. It's really invaluable, especially for videos that may not have gotten a mass release on Promo Only or one of the other VJ services. I can't count the number of times I've found a video on a director's website (or a production company) that I've been looking for for a long time.

Like...?


+1

do tell


+1 - I'm in
Zero Day 12:02 AM - 14 December, 2009
This might sound dumb but are there any free sites that have hi quality videos with intros?
PopRoXxX 12:26 AM - 14 December, 2009
If it's "legal" I doubt it will be free. I could be wrong though.
Zero Day 12:57 AM - 14 December, 2009
Who knows. someone could surprise us and show a link like BAM promo use only
who knows
Joshua Carl 1:02 AM - 14 December, 2009
Ill believe that when my shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert
Zero Day 1:07 AM - 14 December, 2009
haha
DJ-Phat-AL 1:33 AM - 14 December, 2009
yummy.....
PopRoXxX 3:39 AM - 14 December, 2009
then you wouldn't have to buy food all the time. lol.

poop, eat, poop, eat, etc.
Millz 9:31 PM - 16 December, 2009
damn i didnt get a present twizzle ;)
Joshua Carl 9:33 PM - 16 December, 2009
yeah...I got video coal too
Henry GQ 6:56 AM - 21 December, 2009
so far all i have seen is xtendamix, smashvidz,mixnights,strictlyhits,yourremix,8th,crookyn.,promo,mixmash,
..any others that im missing? im looking more for online ish
Culprit 8:17 AM - 21 December, 2009
my12inch, but the quality is lacking
nik39 11:28 AM - 21 December, 2009
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my12inch, but the quality is lacking

I'd stay away from them. What they are doing looks very, very fishy. Selling 16,000 "classic" tracks for $1 by paypal, not responding to customer inquiries, not responding to login problems, double charging customers. Plus their quality is wack (probably the worst of all the services listed above).
Funkytownstopsix 1:34 PM - 21 December, 2009
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my12inch, but the quality is lacking

+1 my12inch quality really sucks but my 12inch has some stuff nobody has. I am not a member but tried the trial audio is the worst part of it all it sound muffled on almost every vidoe I downloaded.

Quote:
Plus their quality is wack (probably the worst of all the services listed above).

I can safely say Nobody is worst than 8th
DJ DisGrace 2:21 PM - 21 December, 2009
Krazytoons has a couple hidden gems, but ALL require a remux - audio is terrible quality and they all have 'hype' extended intros or a wack remix. I prefer the OG version 99% of the time.

With quality like that I would doubt they are "legal"
nik39 2:38 PM - 21 December, 2009
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I can safely say Nobody is worst than 8th

Nope. Really. There are universes between 8th and my12. It looks like my12 rips videos from VHS tapes.
a-swift 3:13 PM - 21 December, 2009
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Quote:
I can safely say Nobody is worst than 8th

Nope. Really. There are universes between 8th and my12. It looks like my12 rips videos from VHS tapes.


If they can't get high quality masters to encode from, then they are just not legit. Does anyone honestly think that the record companies allow a site to legally use crap masters but end it there and say "you can sell your videos using these crap masters but we forbid you to use these nice HD masters".

Uhh? I doubt it.
Culprit 6:12 PM - 21 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
I can safely say Nobody is worst than 8th

Nope. Really. There are universes between 8th and my12. It looks like my12 rips videos from VHS tapes.


I'm pretty sure if one of Enrie's boys tells him "man the videos on my12inch look like shit" he will probably do something about it.. until then tho he wont give a shit.
nik39 7:43 PM - 21 December, 2009
Quote:
I'm pretty sure if one of Enrie's boys tells him "man the videos on my12inch look like shit" he will probably do something about it.. until then tho he wont give a shit.

Who is Enrie?
a-swift 7:54 PM - 21 December, 2009
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Quote:
I'm pretty sure if one of Enrie's boys tells him "man the videos on my12inch look like shit" he will probably do something about it.. until then tho he wont give a shit.

Who is Enrie?


DJ Enrie. He's one of the local radio DJ's here. He started the site so he would be the one to complain to.
nik39 8:20 PM - 21 December, 2009
Quote:
If they can't get high quality masters to encode from, then they are just not legit. Does anyone honestly think that the record companies allow a site to legally use crap masters but end it there and say "you can sell your videos using these crap masters but we forbid you to use these nice HD masters".

I am not sure what you are exactly implying.

Are you saying that...
[ ] since they still exist, they must be legit
[ ] sooner or later they will get into troubles?


Quote:
He started the site so he would be the one to complain to.

Nah, for me personally, the service is not worth the money, not worth to go through the hassle of complaining. Besides this.. I know someone who tried to complain, because his account was charged twice. He opened a few tickets and none of them were ever answered. Even his paypal complaints were completeley ignored. What does that say to me? Customer support = F, or non existent. If you check their own forums a lot of posts just stay unanswered. And on top... paying $1 for a legit copy in good quality on iTunes is one story, but not $1 for a (IMHO illegal) backup.

If it comes to videos - sv's quality and service is still top notch and the way to go. I just wish they would offer a wider range and more videos.
Henry GQ 5:03 AM - 22 December, 2009
yea i forgot ab my 12inch, a friend sent me some examples of their shit.. and they are wack. i just see some djs spit out some good remix music videos n wonder where they get them...
Joshua Carl 5:34 AM - 22 December, 2009
whats everyone know about:

KRAZYTOONSREMIX.COM ???
marknonsense1 5:47 AM - 22 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I'm pretty sure if one of Enrie's boys tells him "man the videos on my12inch look like shit" he will probably do something about it.. until then tho he wont give a shit.

Who is Enrie?


DJ Enrie. He's one of the local radio DJ's here. He started the site so he would be the one to complain to.



Got to remember Enrie is behind a few DJ businesses. I'm sure he sees my12inch.com as an audio site. Plus it's free for radio DJs so it's better that the videos look like shit or every radio DJ would have the upper hand.
DJ DisGrace 6:02 AM - 22 December, 2009
Quote:
whats everyone know about:

KRAZYTOONSREMIX.COM ???


Quote:
Krazytoons has a couple hidden gems, but ALL require a remux - audio is terrible quality and they all have 'hype' extended intros or a wack remix. I prefer the OG version 99% of the time.

With quality like that I would doubt they are "legal"
Henry GQ 6:40 AM - 22 December, 2009
well i just seen that they have some horrible icon on the fuckin videos.. so they can suck my dick with that one.. im willing to put up with text blah blah blah to whatever... but no fuckin logos. fuck that.
Joshua Carl 6:41 AM - 22 December, 2009
the 4 videos I saw from them just had the standard style txt.
(just like smash/PO)
Culprit 7:20 AM - 22 December, 2009
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the 4 videos I saw from them just had the standard style txt.
(just like smash/PO)


yes its text but way too big..
marknonsense1 8:21 AM - 22 December, 2009
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"they can s*** my dick"



Wow. I'm sure we can respect all the work some people have put into the game. After all wheres your site?
Culprit 8:49 AM - 22 December, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
"they can s*** my dick"



Wow. I'm sure we can respect all the work some people have put into the game. After all wheres your site?


Some people have more colorful ways of expressing themselves :)
marknonsense1 9:13 AM - 22 December, 2009
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Quote:
Quote:
"they can s*** my dick"



Wow. I'm sure we can respect all the work some people have put into the game. After all wheres your site?


Some people have more colorful ways of expressing themselves :)



???? I just don't really get your comment? I see my12inch.com on your myspace (www.myspace.com) Plus you're from LA. Are you agreeing with me or not? If not, I'll just leave it at that, being that you're from LA you should know better.
Henry GQ 8:19 PM - 22 December, 2009
yup.. thats what i wanna do... is put up an illegal site.
marknonsense1 9:41 PM - 22 December, 2009
My bad Culprit, I get it now haha anyways "you should know better" = know how dope enrie is.
Culprit 11:38 PM - 22 December, 2009
i forgot i had that on my myspace lol
DjSugarDaddy 1:33 AM - 1 January, 2010
for legal music videos i use xtendamix
here is the link to check it out: tinyurl.com
they have a great variety of all genres both new & classic,
check it out and tell em DJ Sugar Daddy referred you, its worth it!
DJ DisGrace 1:07 AM - 2 January, 2010
^ worth it for "you" now that they have a referral program

tell them I sent you instead or... mods squash this please
FunkyRob 6:56 AM - 2 January, 2010
No, tell them FunkyRob sent you
SteadFast 2:52 AM - 3 January, 2010
Quote:
for legal music videos i use xtendamix
here is the link to check it out: tinyurl.com
they have a great variety of all genres both new & classic,
check it out and tell em DJ Sugar Daddy referred you, its worth it!


quality doesn't appear to be that great
AleDj 10:53 AM - 3 January, 2010
PEOPLE! ALL I WANT TO KWNO IS WHERE CAN I GET HIGH QUALITY MUSIC VIDEOS??
IF I HAVE TO PAY IT;S FINE, BUT PLEASE STOP ARGUING FOR NON SENSE AND HELP ME OUT!
THANKS ALL
ALE
DJ-Phat-AL 12:14 PM - 3 January, 2010
WHAT????!!!
nik39 12:31 PM - 3 January, 2010
Who?
Millz 2:38 PM - 3 January, 2010
MJ who?
marx 5:35 PM - 3 January, 2010
Fuk myspace
Joshua Carl 1:15 AM - 4 January, 2010
huh?
marx 1:42 AM - 4 January, 2010
I am not a whore
Zero Day 1:59 AM - 4 January, 2010
except on the weekends
DJ-Phat-AL 2:12 AM - 4 January, 2010
Quote:
I am not a whore


Yeah... me either


but I like to do it
Millz 5:57 AM - 4 January, 2010
i got pictures ;)
Millz 5:57 AM - 4 January, 2010
o wait, ill have pictures after this week ha
FunkyRob 6:30 PM - 4 January, 2010
My Engrish is not so good looking
Henry GQ 9:21 PM - 4 January, 2010
stop argueing u make no non-sense,me want all videos quality!
SteadFast 1:15 AM - 5 January, 2010
Quote:
i got pictures ;)

no homo? no logo go on my video?
DJDAMNAGE 2:18 AM - 6 January, 2010
Please re-read this thread title and stay on topic people. Really annoying and a waste of time sifting thru all the blather.There's like 4 or 5 decent site choices but 600+ meaningless posts here. For the newbies this is what you got to chose from for downloadable websites:
1.Smashvidz($47 per month)
2.8thwonder ($10 per month ,best for the money)
3.Xtendamix
4.Cicana
5.franchiserecordpool.com (weak video quality and selection in my opinion)
(Am I missing any?)

I would love to see some more options from all these posts.
Joshua Carl 2:33 AM - 6 January, 2010
yup.
yourremix.com
crooklynclan.com

to name a big pair.
Henry GQ 2:33 AM - 6 January, 2010
cc, mixnight, 12thwonder, and someone just hit me up on myspace, but they sucked...
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:28 AM - 6 January, 2010
STRICTLY HIIIIIIIIIIIIITTS!!!!


www.strictlyhits.com
DJMuErTe 4:32 AM - 6 January, 2010
12thwonder?
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:33 AM - 6 January, 2010
my12inch
DJ-Phat-AL 5:43 AM - 6 January, 2010
Xtendacrooklyn12inchwonderHits!
PopRoXxX 2:20 PM - 6 January, 2010
^^^^ lol! all for $5 a month! haha
Culprit 6:09 PM - 6 January, 2010
cicana is not legal in video format anyways. Please correct me if i am wrong tho.
Zero Day 8:41 PM - 6 January, 2010
I want to get an cicana account.. my boy got the hooks n got it for free
mixshowtools.com i think its called, sends out vids a few times a week f r EE!!!
yes FREE
nik39 8:51 PM - 6 January, 2010
Cicana is definitly not legal, this has been discussed multiple times on this forum.
Zero Day 8:53 PM - 6 January, 2010
really!?
it gets music send to thm frm all the lables
nik39 8:56 PM - 6 January, 2010
C'mon, that's what they all say.

As soon as you have a request type of section where people can upload requested song you can bet that this is not legal. Just one hint/sign.
Zero Day 9:14 PM - 6 January, 2010
isnt that just considered "sharing"
remembr last yr there was a huge argument ovr this between the record companys and the sites.
but i want an accout..!!
nik39 9:58 PM - 6 January, 2010
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isnt that just considered "sharing"

That's why those services are very, very likely illegal.
DJDAMNAGE 10:03 PM - 6 January, 2010
if cicana is illegal I expect the mods to blank out where it has been stated here. until then, I'm calling it legit. when you go to the video section there, there is a ad for smashvidz up top and the videos there have samshvidz under the name and artist at the beginning of the vid. There's only the original clean versions tho. Mixnight is garbage in my opinion, cheap yes but most of there vidz they charge for and they're not all that.
Zero Day 10:27 PM - 6 January, 2010
if anyone is willing to share im willing to trade and share mymp3pool log in info for cicana
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:29 PM - 6 January, 2010
now that is definitely illegal
Joshua Carl 10:31 PM - 6 January, 2010
ibtl :)
ChrisD 10:38 PM - 6 January, 2010
DJ ELL, if I ever see you suggesting something like that again I'll ban you.
Joshua Carl 10:52 PM - 6 January, 2010
Ya know...I know moneys tight for everyone.

and I can appreciate needing a track and hitting up one of you peoples for it.
but to live and die by illegal music?

Ive mentioned before that I have friends, mostly on the mobile side that live this way
they basically stopped paying for music, or videos like 5 years ago.
we are talking COMPLETELY.

IMO, the best move is to join a few pools for your base.
that wont exceed 200.00 a month
then drop $$ on onsies and twosies at the remix sites...

alot of us, and maybe its an old way of thinking, used to drop over 100.00 on vinyl a week, EASY! now people wont drop 40-80 a month on a subscription?

Im all for "sticking it to the man" [no homo] but before that is being professional.
and having some sense of ethics...

I can now count on one hand how many people I know personally who bought a HD pre-packed with content and are trying to sell themselves as "doing video"
these are the same people who say... i wont use VSL because I cant get a serial for it... I want to kick over there hard drive and go whooooooooops, my B, karma.

yeah, I know... these people have always existed.
but some of them are actually getting booked as touring djs with pre-loaded/auto mixed sets with videos only from illegal means.
(which means they clear at LEAST a grand a gig)
Zero Day 2:42 AM - 7 January, 2010
wasn't being completely serious...
if cicana is illegal, why isn't it taken down or removed?
lvmez 2:51 AM - 7 January, 2010
sometimes you need to use common sense. free videos from other websites? c'mon son!
DJ DisGrace 3:36 AM - 7 January, 2010
Quote:
wasn't being completely serious...
if cicana is illegal, why isn't it taken down or removed?


I think we've established that 90% of the online video pools aren't "legal". Some expect it's simply a matter of time, others feel the labels have bigger fish to fry....
Zero Day 4:07 AM - 7 January, 2010
aight so lemme get this straight.
here are the sights i use/ know about (probably only use 2 or 3 of them)

www.worksessions.com (Free)
www.hitmusicservice.com (free for radio
dj's).
www.crateconnect.net (Free, forms and sharing
music are free. they sites download section might not be but if you go
on the forms everything ppl have uploaded is free)
www.digiwaxxmedia.com
(Free)
greenhitz.com (free, all urban)
1200squad.com (free)
atlanticelitedjs.com (free)
mymp3pool.com (subscription)

are All the free sites illegal??
nik39 4:12 AM - 7 January, 2010
Nope. Scroll up, read again.

One hint: Sites (and not sights) where anyone can request and upload songs...

But you would be surprised just how many of those which you have listed also offer files from.. let's say definitly not directly from the labels. Just check some of the tags.
Zero Day 3:33 PM - 7 January, 2010
huh. ya been looking at some of those more carefully.. see what mean.
Thxxx for lettin me know
lvmez 7:38 PM - 7 January, 2010
Quote:
sometimes you need to use common sense. free videos from other websites? c'mon son!
Culprit 10:58 PM - 7 January, 2010
Hey Ell, stick to the topic, "Legal Places to get Music Videos", just sayin, stop trying to get the thread locked
Zero Day 12:08 AM - 8 January, 2010
my badd
kryptonitednb 4:33 AM - 31 January, 2010
Hey everybody. After 12 years of strictly tunes, I want to give VSL a whirl.

I know there are tons of places listed in this thread, but where would you recommend I go just to get 10 - 15 vids to check it out with the demo?

I play house/electro/bassline/dubstep/etc (any electronic would probably do)

Thanks!
Culprit 7:08 PM - 31 January, 2010
Quote:
Hey everybody. After 12 years of strictly tunes, I want to give VSL a whirl.

I know there are tons of places listed in this thread, but where would you recommend I go just to get 10 - 15 vids to check it out with the demo?

I play house/electro/bassline/dubstep/etc (any electronic would probably do)

Thanks!


Hey Kryptonite,

I would start out with downloading some videos from i-tunes first. If you decide you want to jump into video mixing after that, smashvidz or promo only are the places to go if you want to get serious with it. There is also 8th wonder record pool, screen play, and a few more named in this thread, but I cannot vouch for them because I don't have accounts with them. If you got any questions dont hesitate to ask, also searching the forums has alot of the many questions you will have once you jump into video mixing.
kryptonitednb 2:46 AM - 1 February, 2010
Thanks Culprit, much appreciated! The record pool I'm a part of has video as well with a $20 trial. I think I'm going to go that route.
J Studda 1:13 AM - 2 February, 2010
If your into house and electro 8th wonder is ok. It's mainly geared for Hip Hop, R&B, and Raggae. It's a great site for the price!! 10 bucks a month!!!!
Marky D 1:43 AM - 2 February, 2010
If you're into house, trance, top 40, hip hop & reggae, check out Xtendamix

www.xtendamix.com
DJ-Phat-AL 3:46 AM - 2 February, 2010
^^^ self promotion
nik39 8:47 PM - 2 February, 2010
Advertisement?
Henry GQ 8:51 PM - 2 February, 2010
not really... just advice =]
DJ-Phat-AL 9:08 PM - 2 February, 2010
Marky D owns xtendamix.

That would be like me saying...

Hey you know where you can get some kick ass remixes of house, trance, top 40, hip hop & reggae, check out www.crooklynclan.net
Henry GQ 9:21 PM - 2 February, 2010
right.. ur just advising LOL
Millz 10:33 PM - 2 February, 2010
or hey buy my shit @ www.yourremix.com :)
Marky D 4:22 AM - 3 February, 2010
Actually Marky D does not own Xtendamix...

But wouldn't that be the same as everyone who does mixes for a particular site advertising it? Millz & Al, you have both done mixes for a few sites and you reference them quite often. Millz, you mention Smashvidz is the best...but you do mixes for them. They are the best based on your opinion. Isn't that the same thing about promoting. You promote where you do mixes for. The conversation above, a user asked where to get videos. Some site were mentioned, some weren't. So rather than give your own opinions, just help out a new video DJ find sources.

Fire back, cus, dis all you want. The conversation here is dead. Just stating the facts. Stick to the topic of the thread.

FYI - A lot has changed in the past few months. Sony is on board, we're getting rid of the ringtone codes we're using Squeeze for the encoding and we're using your presets Al. Thanks :)
Marky D 4:30 AM - 3 February, 2010
On another note, I use in my sets, Smashvidz, 8th Wonder, My12 inch, Crooklyn Clan, Yourremix ,Strictly Hits along with Xtendamix. I do what all DJs do, use bits and pieces from all over to build the best music video collection that suits my crowd. So why does having one preference matter. Each pool is unique. Help video DJing grow as a whole and provide options to new VJ's who are just starting out. DJs/VJs are a unique group of people. We play in different markets but all do our best to provide quality entertainment. If there's a hot source or remix, share it. Everyone wins!
Millz 4:32 AM - 3 February, 2010
I have not said anything negative about xtendamix for quite a long time. I do not use that service, but Im sure people do.
Henry GQ 4:38 AM - 3 February, 2010
millz ... i didnt know u remixxed for CC hahaha
Millz 4:39 AM - 3 February, 2010
i do stuff for sv. word. the djs make u move.
Joshua Carl 4:40 AM - 3 February, 2010
*grabs his snuggie, a nice cup of chamomile tea and watches*
Henry GQ 4:41 AM - 3 February, 2010
and marky d. thats the best thing u can do... is get rid of those text ringtones.. i freakin hate those!
glad u guys are gettin away from that!
Millz 4:41 AM - 3 February, 2010
join me for a spot of tea
Henry GQ 4:42 AM - 3 February, 2010
why sure.
Joshua Carl 4:43 AM - 3 February, 2010
while we are one this...
I am so glad too about the tones... and the boost in quality

1 other humble request, proper cropping
I dont mind letter boxes, and I dont mind full screen.

whats kind of ugly is a .75 inch black bar on the left, a .99 inch bar on the right
a .25 inch bar on the bottom, and a 1.2 inch bar on top...
its not ALL THE TIME.... but enough.
Millz 4:44 AM - 3 February, 2010
bobs stoppin over something about tical
Joshua Carl 4:44 AM - 3 February, 2010
oh, dear lord...Ive burst into flames... how unfortunate.
Millz 4:47 AM - 3 February, 2010
this chick in this video is hella ugly
DJ-Phat-AL 4:59 AM - 3 February, 2010
death of autotune.... errrr... death of ringtones... HA!

Marky D... guess I was mis-informed. Glad I could help with the Squeeze presets...
I told you from the start that you need to bump up your encoding quality and I am glad you are finally getting it down. Quality is key!!

One last suggestion would to only have the chryons only ONCE instead of beginning and end of track. Other than that... you should be all good in the hood!!
Millz 5:03 AM - 3 February, 2010
whos hood?
Millz 5:03 AM - 3 February, 2010
are there hoods in canada?
Marky D 5:04 AM - 3 February, 2010
How come I wasn't invited for tea? You guys ever been to Toronto?
Marky D 5:06 AM - 3 February, 2010
I should make my own video...death of the ringtone....although, I think they died about 3 years ago when they started making kits to make your own. Yes, we have hoods in Canada...

You know that cold spell you are getting in the south....well for us, that's just winter. Nov-March, every year
Henry GQ 5:16 AM - 3 February, 2010
i been to toronto! whiskey saigon.. the guvrnment.. this is london(which is my fav!! - i love it when they play that vocal drop.. and it goes.. THIS....... IS>>>> LONDON)!) love that shit!

toronto is the best! its like miami and and la, but in canada LOL
Marky D 5:19 AM - 3 February, 2010
My version from that song says "This Is Toronto"

That's a song I wish they made a video for. Since you've been to those clubs, every heard of one called Lot 332...down the street from This is London. I'm a partner in that club, so next time you're in town, come by for some drinks on me. Same goes for any other DJs who dare to come to Miami North or L.A. (North of the border). We're the New York of Canada...I guess
Millz 5:20 AM - 3 February, 2010
lived in newmarket/toronto 97-98. some of the best times of my life.
Henry GQ 5:21 AM - 3 February, 2010
i cant say that i have.. i havent been there in years. sad. just noone is a big clubber like me.. all weirdos that wanna go to pittsburgh :(

but i got a boy in buffalo who wants to party in canada... so u never know =)
Joshua Carl 5:23 AM - 3 February, 2010
they wouldnt let me in canada.
I (accidently) put a dude in the hospital in a fight and got hit with "unintentional assault"

of course theres a 500.00 fee I could have paid...I would have been straight.


(boxing the ears really works...if u ever wondered)

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roadhouse.
Marky D 5:24 AM - 3 February, 2010
Let me know...we'll take you to Millz' old neighbourhood

Anyways, who's gonna win the Superbowl?
Henry GQ 5:24 AM - 3 February, 2010
gangsta!
Millz 5:27 AM - 3 February, 2010
i lived by alot of foreigners. first nite there i got drunk with some chick originally from tokyo. she kicked my ass in pool and i got kicked in the ass by molson xxx
Marky D 5:28 AM - 3 February, 2010
C'mon Josh...they let 50 Cent in, and Lil Wayne...and you couldn't come. $500 eh...so we'll need to get you a gig worth that just to pay your fine

You should change your DJ name to DJ Assault or something...could work.
Henry GQ 5:28 AM - 3 February, 2010
mmm triple xxx
Joshua Carl 6:07 AM - 3 February, 2010
more like DJ lucky punch and run.
Millz 6:31 AM - 3 February, 2010
ass titties titties ass asss tititttieieieieies
DJ DisGrace 12:53 PM - 3 February, 2010
Quote:
C'mon Josh...they let 50 Cent in, and Lil Wayne...and you couldn't come. $500 eh...so we'll need to get you a gig worth that just to pay your fine


Joshua Carl and now Lloyd Banks LOL

gossiponthis.com
Henry GQ 8:23 PM - 3 February, 2010
damnnnn.. dood got beat, hopefully he gest G-G-G-G-G unit money
DJ DisGrace 8:29 PM - 3 February, 2010
Truth be told the promoter is a stand up guy - I've worked for him. Banks didn't hold up his end of the contract, so there was a dispute....

*no thread hijack*
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:06 PM - 3 February, 2010
Quote:
Let me know...we'll take you to Millz' old neighbourhood

Anyways, who's gonna win the Superbowl?



WHO DAT!!!!!!!!1
djnak 10:12 AM - 4 February, 2010
Quote:
i got kicked in the ass by molson xxx

hahahaha who didnt
Bren 7:54 AM - 5 February, 2010
If you need house and dance you'll need to find a European pool, where Dance is the focus of more DJ's/VJ's, such I understand is on the way.
Gregg R 9:45 PM - 5 February, 2010
Quote:
If you need house and dance you'll need to find a European pool, where Dance is the focus of more DJ's/VJ's, such I understand is on the way.



that would totally be a good idea if there was such a pool......
Henry GQ 11:13 PM - 5 February, 2010
yeah.. lemme know where i can get this shit!!!
lvmez 1:50 AM - 6 February, 2010
join itunes in europe, they have different dance videos on there site.
DJ ChrisMyk 7:29 AM - 9 February, 2010
Here is a great source for videos which I found online.

thisisntreallylegal.com

All you have to do is email them at emailremoved@gmail.com
They have at least one new vidz everyday and you can post tracks that you want to have vidz on it.
nik39 10:50 AM - 9 February, 2010
Did you read the title of this thread?

It says:

Legal places to get music videos.
DJ ChrisMyk 4:58 PM - 9 February, 2010
Ooops... sorry about that.
Never though they were illegal as they only promote their own work.

My BAD....

Sorry guys.
Joshua Carl 9:29 AM - 15 February, 2010
I guess FRANCHISE is doing video now (funkmaster flex's pool)

www.franchiserecordpool.com

Ive heard nothing either way... except they are untagged.
I know 2 guys that play hiphop in some of the thuggier rooms round here
use them as their main source
(not that that tells us ANYTHING)

1 of them was a youtube/tv rip commando
Henry GQ 5:31 PM - 15 February, 2010
hgaha... thats wack if u rip that shit off of youtube... or mtv
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:06 PM - 15 February, 2010
Franchise has had video for a while. It's not their specialty but it's a worthwhile section if you are already a franchise member and getting into video. They have a few things that I haven't seen elsewhere but many of the videos I already have from different sources by the time they show up at franchise.
SteadFast 8:58 PM - 15 February, 2010
Quote:
I guess FRANCHISE is doing video now (funkmaster flex's pool)

www.franchiserecordpool.com

Ive heard nothing either way... except they are untagged.
I know 2 guys that play hiphop in some of the thuggier rooms round here
use them as their main source
(not that that tells us ANYTHING)

1 of them was a youtube/tv rip commando

Yeah franchise has had videos for awhlie, but to me it seems like they are kind of slow on puting stuff up. Actually last year I think they went 4 months or so before putting up anything new, and when they did it wasn't much..
Henry GQ 11:58 PM - 15 February, 2010
thats kind of like mymp3pool

they dont have alot..
DJ Half 6:28 AM - 18 February, 2010
I use my12inch.com I hope its legal.
Funkytownstopsix 5:55 PM - 20 February, 2010
When I used my12inch the audio and video quality was sub par to say the least but they did have many hard to find videos... DJ Half whats your take on the quality?
DJ Half 7:22 PM - 20 February, 2010
Quote:
When I used my12inch the audio and video quality was sub par to say the least but they did have many hard to find videos... DJ Half whats your take on the quality?


I would have to say that the quality of the videos is ok. It does have that conversion downgrade to it, but its not horrible or youtubish. It's almost DVD quality. I haven't tried playing them on a 55" LCD to see what it looks like. But the audio is pretty good.
So far, its pretty good for a guy like me starting out without forking out $1k to get a decent library.

I recommend for any starter to get their library going, and download videos hard to get. Then go with DVD and convert.

My opinion, I don't have any current gigs to let this really play out.
nik39 7:30 PM - 20 February, 2010
Quote:
It's almost DVD quality.

*cough*

Uhm.. nope.
Funkytownstopsix 9:32 PM - 20 February, 2010
LOL nik39 I agree.....some video are ok and above you tube but DVD quality is pushing it... but what I am finding with the audio is that the base is more or less distorted or it's low with much highs..... playing along side for a smash video, screen, or PO you can really tell the difference. They have some good stuff though if they tighten up on the quality I would use them.
zompydj 12:33 AM - 21 February, 2010
Check out dtvideos.net . You can log in with the username and password test to check out the music videos they have.
Henry GQ 1:33 AM - 21 February, 2010
zompy are u downloading videos from this site ? or a part of it? i checked it out and i dont know if they are blending in the intros or they are just giving samples???


cuz if thats the mix, they suck.
Culprit 1:35 AM - 21 February, 2010
my12inch at the moment does not have good quality videos. I use to be a strong supporter of my12inch but the quality in the past 2 years audio wise has gone down dramatically. The videos chrylon is way too big and some of their videos you can tell are either really bad source (possibly youtube.. ?) or just encoded wrong.
Henry GQ 2:10 AM - 21 February, 2010
yea a friend sent me a couple videos by them, and they complete garbage, not even gonna bother with those morons.
zompydj 2:11 AM - 21 February, 2010
Henry those are just previes which. The page says " Keep in mind that the previews only show 10 seconds of the intro and then the chorus". For what I can see, they actually take time to edit the intros in sync with music.
Henry GQ 2:13 AM - 21 February, 2010
okie doke.. we'll see, sometimes i think smash is a little abrasive with some of their vidz...

but they are hands down the best quality
zompydj 2:16 AM - 21 February, 2010
DTVideos offers vob files. Great quality!
Culprit 5:38 PM - 21 February, 2010
Quote:
DTVideos offers vob files. Great quality!


This is something obviously that has slipped my mind, would the majority of you guys want the option to download vob files and do the encoding yourselves or just rather have it done for you.
Henry GQ 5:39 PM - 21 February, 2010
have it done for us. were lazy
Henry GQ 5:39 PM - 21 February, 2010
or at least thats millz told me.
Culprit 5:41 PM - 21 February, 2010
Hey Zomby, were definitly ganna need some videos to download to test quality and check the encoding (of the mp4s). $45 is alot for only 40 videos a month..
Henry GQ 5:46 PM - 21 February, 2010
zompy, i dont think the whole big dtv videos thing at the top is gonna fly with me, at least xtendamix got rid of their texting tags, thats just as bad if not worse. it should be at the bottom like everyone else...

im gonna pass untill u guys get rid of that...
Henry GQ 5:48 PM - 21 February, 2010
on a side note, i def DO NOT buy any crooklyn clan vidz with their stupid ass logo across the front, no matter how much i like the mix, i just buy the mp3 and have someone do it for me.. very gay of crooklyn to do that shit.
zompydj 5:57 PM - 21 February, 2010
I dont know why people think that there's a download limit. You can get as many videos as you want, what they're saying is that you will find that quantity of new videos every month. Concerning quality here is a sample of the vobs:

www.mediafire.com

MP4 videos will be added soon.
Henry GQ 6:09 PM - 21 February, 2010
and no mp4s? *sigh*

come on dood. step it up, noone in here is gonna grab that stuff.
Joshua Carl 7:20 PM - 21 February, 2010
well, we've CERTAINLY see worse.

the cropping is a bit off (note the black bar is a different size on the top than it
is the bottom, and the color seems a bit washed out and the blacks seem gray.)

Yeah, the top logo... def a show stopper.
that would be my biggest deterent, as well as the chryon being a little to
close to the center of the screen. (where as CC/SV/YR all justify theirs properly)

we know now that if you do it properly that you dont need a flashy logo to get
vjs to your product to be bought by professionals...and more importantly we
all prefer if, and wont support services who dont follow those guidelines.

mpg/mp4
well, we all know that VDJ could care less what format they get 9/10 times.
but the performance video guys are all wanting mp4s, if VDJ users, and other
consumer grade video systems are the target market, than thats fine.
but if you want to get a share of the SSL/VSL & ME crowd you need to come with MP4.

then of course. theres product.
my biggest hurdle is getting new & rare product fast.
from the existing pools Im in I get a steady diet of the must-haves.
some later than others... but for the most part Im always looking ahead
of the curve in the road and rather break videos, then play them once
they have popped off and in major cirrculation.
Joshua Carl 7:28 PM - 21 February, 2010
-Thats all based off the sample download posted here-

As Im sure the Xtendamix people will tell ya, we busted, AND BUSTED their balls to
get them to bring their product up to specs for a solid year.
its not to be dicks, its just steering new products in the right direction

I can tell you this. we ALL want new videos.
but we want them done right, our careers rely on it.

(btw, I cannot log onto the site to see anything else....)
Culprit 7:32 PM - 21 February, 2010
Hey Josua,

I like the option to be able to download VOB files so I can encode them myself. Kinda like beatport offering WAV files and MP3 files.

Hey Zompy,

Joshua is right, I wont support a service that will keep their logo on the video for the entire session.
Joshua Carl 7:36 PM - 21 February, 2010
of course Im sure theres plenty of guys out there that "really" know what they are doing... its an excellent option for them...

just not "standard" or only format.
zompydj 7:38 PM - 21 February, 2010
the logo only apperas 10 seconds at the beggining and end along with artist and song name
Joshua Carl 7:46 PM - 21 February, 2010
Its not the Chryon, we understand that is "necessary"

its the spinning logo up top.
note that no other companies use a logo like that, and put it in that location.

the ones that have done the best just add a line to the text with a simple webtag.
even your-remix and Crooklyn clan got rid of those GAWD-AWEFUL THINGS!

(dont get me wrong Al, I love ya[no homo])
but I turned red-faced everytime your logo and mammoth crooklyn clan tag was on
a video you did... such a quandry; play amazing video remix | have that big ass logo
Henry GQ 9:14 PM - 21 February, 2010
yeah, i wont even buy his videos cuz of that shit. i wont even play them if someone gave them to me for free!
that shit is wack(no offense)

and zompy untill u get rid of that logo, there is NO way im gonna tell anyone about ur service or even use it/but it

so think about it, and everyone here will agree, were not here to promote ur video service.. if other djs are in the club... they will look at the screen to find out who made the video, people are not dumb. duh..
zompydj 9:20 PM - 21 February, 2010
No problem man, but you can say things in a polite way. I'm taking note of all the things you said to make the service better, but there's no point on being agressive.

Thanks!
SteadFast 9:28 PM - 21 February, 2010
I think henry had a smile on his face when he said it. Make it cheaper too and i'll think about it.
Henry GQ 9:30 PM - 21 February, 2010
im sorry, i dont mean too, but quite a few people have come by and tried to get our attention... and if im gonna sign up for another servic, it better be better than the ones im on now...

just wnt you to know where we are coming from =]

get rid of the logo and u might have a subscriber out of me, and do something with colors as well, i dont like the grey thing joshua was speaking of...

thnx for taking in our input.
Funkytownstopsix 12:34 AM - 22 February, 2010
If you hurt some feeling on here then what you said must be true...!!!!!!? THE END... Who gives a funk? LOL Henery GQ was being nice....Dj's know what they want when they speak listen. Your not offering anything better than what is currently offered by other services as a matter of fact nothing close. Next time do some research before posting that BS and you will find that the same shit has been said about 50 times in the last year alone on other post most often by the same people on this post. Simply put,,, if you want your product to sell,,,,,,,do what the dj's on these forums ask... We are all look for better product with us in mind if you listen and do the suggestions you can make some money and we we can get some videos........ THE END.... I am not being mean I am being real..... Just like the rest of those who commented....

Sup JC man you can spot bad videos quick, I learn a little something every time... since you give the list I can go and look at them so I can see it for myself..... Thanks
DJMuErTe 12:54 AM - 22 February, 2010
Aa a 'Normal User' we will give you access to the following:

* Downloads Area
* Video music requests
* +10 new music videos p/week
* +40 new music videos p/month
* Minimum time to stay is 3 months
45dls a month.
Aa a 'Full Access User' we will give you access to the following:

* Downloads Area
* VIP Downloads Area
* Video music requests
* +15 new music videos p/week
* +60 new music videos p/month
* Minimum time to stay is 2 months
No price listed?

If im gonna pay the same as smash i expect the same quality and quantity of videos a month if not forget it!
Joshua Carl 1:02 AM - 22 February, 2010
18 months ago I would have thought that video was perfect.

its amazing how much you pick up, especially in this (the video) forum.



Ive always said, you want to be the best, look at who the best is
duplicate what they do, then 1-up them.
Henry GQ 1:45 AM - 22 February, 2010
and its mpeg too, i want mp4, im not gonna spend my time converting.
DJ-Phat-AL 1:59 AM - 22 February, 2010
Quote:
yeah, i wont even buy his videos cuz of that shit. i wont even play them if someone gave them to me for free!
that shit is wack(no offense)


I never offer my videos for free so you have nothing to worry about... in fact that is the one of the only places you can get any of my remixes.

We had this discussion before....

I have since made the crooklyn logo smaller and would love to re-up all the past videos with a newer modified chryon.... it's just a lot of work and time to do it properly.
Henry GQ 2:06 AM - 22 February, 2010
im not tryin to offend u either al, im just saying, if im paying for this.. im not gonna promote a company or whatever in the meantime... sorry homie, no dis-respect.. i hope u didnt take any.
Henry GQ 2:06 AM - 22 February, 2010
and why do u have the logos and others dont ?
DJ-Phat-AL 2:11 AM - 22 February, 2010
no offense taken.

like I said we had this discussion before so I am not going to get into the why the logo was on there in the first place. Just know that it was constructive criticism that I take in and use to make a better product for all to enjoy.
Millz 2:17 AM - 22 February, 2010
spoken like a true business man lolz
Henry GQ 2:21 AM - 22 February, 2010
cool=]
SteadFast 3:47 AM - 22 February, 2010
Quote:
18 months ago I would have thought that video was perfect.

its amazing how much you pick up, especially in this (the video) forum.



Ive always said, you want to be the best, look at who the best is
duplicate what they do, then 1-up them.

+1
seems pretty basic.
Marky D 12:52 PM - 22 February, 2010
Are you guys legit? I seem to recall a PM you advertising it to individual DJs? Here's what was said

"Are you legit?"

"No, we're not legit and that is the reason we're communicating VJ's individually. We will go legit as soon as we can. We offer better video editions than the other VJ services and equal or better video quality."....

So I think you are posting this message in the wrong forum area.
Millz 5:17 PM - 22 February, 2010
and the video edits that are supposed to be better arent at all :)
zompydj 8:49 PM - 22 February, 2010
Quote:
and the video edits that are supposed to be better arent at all :)


Ok man, first check out our stuff to say that we don't have good edits. Compare this

[links removed]

to Smashvidz and tell me which is better. You can critic the quantity, the .VOB format or even the logo, but please dont be silly and recognize what a good edit is.
Funkytownstopsix 9:59 PM - 22 February, 2010
I think you miss the point... if the logo is jacked and the quality is jacked there is no need to look at the edit... I can be tight as hell but right off the top you are turned off by the logo and quality it's a wrap... Put a fork in em...
Funkytownstopsix 10:00 PM - 22 February, 2010
u can get a gang of tight edits off of 8th for ten a month quality bad and crazy logos. WHY PAY MORE...
Henry GQ 10:14 PM - 22 February, 2010
this is all to help u zompy. i dont like some of the musical edits i hear on xtenda or smash, but i make due, because i havent had the time to figure the video editing part out...
zompydj 10:19 PM - 22 February, 2010
Man, I'm just trying to give what you need, but you can't see that...really...if i'm still answering is because i really think i can give a better service than other providers. I came here with vobs + logos, read your complaints and changed to mp4 and removed the logos. At least consider that. Not asking anybody to sign my service, but just don't say its shit.

If you really like Smashvidz or any other, just stick with it and dont say a word.
Millz 10:25 PM - 22 February, 2010
Quote:
If you really like Smashvidz or any other, just stick with it and dont say a word.
Your marketing skills suck bro..Fail
Henry GQ 10:28 PM - 22 February, 2010
werd.. i agree, and i might give ur service a chance, if all ur videos do not have the logos and they are in mp4. i might give it a chyance, and especially if u strive to make the quality better =]

look at xtendamix, they are kicking ass now.. and i believe they have hooked up with soem top notch vjs to do soem of their edits.. which is great for me!



OH .. and by the way. thank you xtendamix for havin a bunch of old stuff on the site!!! saved me a bunch of money from buying some dumb remixes from some others LOL
starting this new retro night and wanted to be on pint with some of thsi shit =] thnx again!
Henry GQ 10:28 PM - 22 February, 2010
millz u crack me up. ur my homie
Joshua Carl 10:44 PM - 22 February, 2010
I dont know about anyone else... but I have NO PROBLEM paying for another service.

I love the services in im, they have all made changes and improved.

if another is going to come along and make changes to get within the parameters
of what we call "a good video service" then I fo sho will take it seriously.

I dont think anyone has a contract that makes them only play from 1 service.
I ran a amazing record store for 5 years... I did 50% of my shopping at our rivals
store (satellite)...
If this service is looking to conform, and looking for feedback to get better why would we help them?


if you look back a year, when xtendamix was first popping up I supported them as
well. main reasons?
*Wanting to do right by us...now look, a year later ringtones are gone.
quality & cropping is fixed and they have content you cant get anywhere else.

so, a young company can either learn from them, or not.
and as long as we dont have 5 pools... all getting us the same videos at the same
time I dont have a problem joining another one...
exclusive QUALITY content is key.

we all know smash has the vids on LOCK. and for a damn good reason.
but I want to get every color paint for my picture, not just the same
paints the rest of you guys have from the leader in fingerpaints.
Henry GQ 11:07 PM - 22 February, 2010
joshua is right.

but if i get a cool audio edit to say... trey songs-say ahh
and its better than what xtenda or smash is offering, than yeah... im gonna get with that service, i love having variety!

at one point point i was subscribed to xmix, funkymix and street tracks...
why?
cuz they all different mixes, it was cool to choose which one i liked the best for that particular night/event

so go do ur thing, and bring some quality to the game bro =]

thnx zompy for listening(hopefully)
and zompy lemme know when u get those logos off all ur vids and get everythign into mp4, i will subscribe then =]
DJ-Phat-AL 11:16 PM - 22 February, 2010
Quote:

and zompy lemme know when u get those logos off all ur vids and get everythign into mp4, i will subscribe then =]


if you actually downloaded the tracks he last posted instead of going off.. then you would know he did that already....
Joshua Carl 11:30 PM - 22 February, 2010
but please dont go all "krazytoons" on us and post a mix just because its
"different"... and have a 128ct intro... gawd.
Henry GQ 12:52 AM - 23 February, 2010
damn.. xtendamix is killin with some requests i put in.. thnx guys keep it up!
Millz 12:53 AM - 23 February, 2010
fanboy :)
Henry GQ 12:53 AM - 23 February, 2010
of you. =]
Joshua Carl 1:13 AM - 23 February, 2010
bro-mo's
Henry GQ 1:27 AM - 23 February, 2010
haha eww i feel weird now..
Joshua Carl 1:49 AM - 23 February, 2010
Quote:
haha eww i feel weird now..



thats Jesus's way of telling u your a dirty little stormrooper.
DJ-Phat-AL 2:01 AM - 23 February, 2010
Quote:
stormrooper.


??
Culprit 2:04 AM - 23 February, 2010
Hey Zompy, keep us updated when you guys do go legit and change your pricing structure :) Constructive criticism. No hard feelings when you post here in the Serato forums your ganna get real feedback, no bs.
Joshua Carl 2:07 AM - 23 February, 2010
Trooper.
Millz 2:13 AM - 23 February, 2010
papa smurf
Henry GQ 2:18 AM - 23 February, 2010
ha. i just requested like 50 90's videos on xtendamix's site.. poor mark
SteadFast 5:12 AM - 23 February, 2010
last couple of videos i download from 8thwonder had no logos. 10 dollars. STEP IT UP ZOMBY!
zompydj 5:17 AM - 23 February, 2010
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last couple of videos i download from 8thwonder had no logos. 10 dollars. STEP IT UP ZOMBY!


CMON I've already said that WE DON'T USE LOGO ANYMORE..
SteadFast 5:25 AM - 23 February, 2010
I'm with frp, xtend, and 8th.. id love to join your site too but i'm still trying to understand how your site differentiates from the others.
zompydj 5:35 AM - 23 February, 2010
Well, I guess we all have different audio versions and what I can say in my case, we edit intros and outros in sync with the music. We also have some 3D's intros (PO Ssyle), but that depend on what you like. Remember that you can check out the videos at our page or even joining us on Facebook.
Henry GQ 5:37 AM - 23 February, 2010
whats ur fb, i will add you..
zompydj 5:38 AM - 23 February, 2010
Henry GQ 5:39 AM - 23 February, 2010
damn... i added u with my personal account
dont laugh at the pic LOL
SteadFast 5:40 AM - 23 February, 2010
trying to check out the previews but they aren't working. i'm using safari..
zompydj 5:42 AM - 23 February, 2010
IE, Chrome and Firefox works like a charm. Maybe u need to get WMP plug in?
SteadFast 5:49 AM - 23 February, 2010
what is included in the vip download area?
zompydj 5:57 AM - 23 February, 2010
VIP area will be opening later, but you will find for example minimixes with hottest tracks of the month along with more music videos.
Culprit 8:10 AM - 23 February, 2010
just joined xtendamix and I must say it fills alot of the gaps in my library. Good stuff on there as well. Good job Marky. So now thats Smashvidz, Xtendamix, Promo Only, Cali-Kings + dvds I purchase.
Henry GQ 8:19 AM - 23 February, 2010
what is cali-kings ?
Culprit 8:29 AM - 23 February, 2010
Cali-Kings is a local los angeles record pool headed by frank vidal (who is the brother of the baka-boys). Alot of the industry people use it as a testing ground for new artist before marketing them to the radio stations and other industry mixers. At the moment the video pool is private because they wanted to keep it more at a local level, but will be going online soon. I think they are the most connected on the Latin side of the music industry. We had a meeting last tuesday with Eddy Lover which was setup by Sony BMG Latin. I am pushing them to fill the gap of Latin which is what is missing on alot of these video pools, and when it does become available you guys will be the first to know about it, and most of the content we will be getting is Latin / Hip Hop.
Henry GQ 8:50 AM - 23 February, 2010
good to know, i dont play too much latin ish, unless its super popular, altho this kid in my city gets a ton of music videos(all latin stuff) kind of amazing considering im one of few that does music video... and that hes just not a dj(i think)
Culprit 8:55 AM - 23 February, 2010
I love the latin stuff man.. I always get down with the rock en espanol and cumbias whenever I can man, and now that I got videos for most of the rock en espanol cumbias and merengues the crowds always go bananas. being able to read the latin crowd in LA is a big plus!
Henry GQ 8:57 AM - 23 February, 2010
i nver played for 100 percent latino crowd, altho i have the hots for the females =]
Culprit 5:53 PM - 23 February, 2010
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i nver played for 100 percent latino crowd, altho i have the hots for the females =]


Best crowd ever IMO.. If anyone has a good source for 'Banda' videos please help me out, I got good tips for playing the Banda vidz :) I know PO and SP has em in their latin dvds.
Funkytownstopsix 6:50 PM - 23 February, 2010
I am looking for more blues muisc/videos anyone know of a good source.
eye357 2:57 AM - 25 February, 2010
I'm looking for a crappy football to team to make fun of..oh forget DALLA cowboys are still around!!! hahahahahahahahaha
DJ-Phat-AL 7:10 AM - 25 February, 2010
... cricket ... cricket ... cricket...


you realize you are the only one laughing....
Millz 7:30 AM - 25 February, 2010
stillers!
DJ-Phat-AL 7:39 AM - 25 February, 2010
stillers?
DJ-Phat-AL 7:40 AM - 25 February, 2010
spell check!!
Millz 7:51 AM - 25 February, 2010
you arent from pgh :) you wouldnt understand ;)
DJ-Phat-AL 8:24 AM - 25 February, 2010
pgh?

Penis Grabbin Hoes?
Henry GQ 8:28 AM - 25 February, 2010
haha. go eagles. anyways.. any new smashvidz sites ?
Millz 3:31 PM - 25 February, 2010
ha ha we have a jokester in the building
Funkytownstopsix 8:35 PM - 25 February, 2010
Phat-Al you arleady know it took everything in me to be nice and let him make it. Yet in stil,, HE CAN EAT A BIG DICK...Are the two NY teams steal sharing the same staduim? Texas teams have it going on and we don't have share jack. Deep down EYE loves the Cowboys I would go as far to say that he knows everything that Romo ate, and is probroly smelling his shit right now.. Every dog has his day I predict the Cowboys will be playing in the SuperBowl this year at Home.
Henery GQ.. if you want the Eagles to contend the better keep #5

Millz you aready know Stillers are done and have no chance if one player gets hurt (Troy Aumua Polamalu) the team just quits...
Millz 8:38 PM - 25 February, 2010
cowboys just throw money at their problems instead of hiring real coaches ;)
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:40 PM - 25 February, 2010
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Phat-Al you arleady know it took everything in me to be nice and let him make it. Yet in stil,, HE CAN EAT A BIG DICK...Are the two NY teams steal sharing the same staduim? Texas teams have it going on and we don't have share jack. Deep down EYE loves the Cowboys I would go as far to say that he knows everything that Romo ate, and is probroly smelling his shit right now.. Every dog has his day I predict the Cowboys will be playing in the SuperBowl this year at Home.
Henery GQ.. if you want the Eagles to contend the better keep #5

Millz you aready know Stillers are done and have no chance if one player gets hurt (Troy Aumua Polamalu) the team just quits...



......WHO DAT??????


GOOOOOO SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what....say somethin
Funkytownstopsix 9:17 PM - 25 February, 2010
LOL......Glad you got your first one.... Who Dat???? I will say the Saints..... It is what it is.... : )
eye357 9:56 PM - 25 February, 2010
GO AIN'TS I mean Saints. OMG, Dallas gets by in a playoff and they act like they won the superbowl. It was so good to win the opener in their big gay stadium!!!
Still back to the subject..join every pool you find and keep what u like I say!
And at Phat-AL people where laughing, all the people in my head!! lol
DJ-Phat-AL 10:51 PM - 25 February, 2010
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And at Phat-AL people where laughing, all the people in my head!! lol


That's the problem.... you are alone with all your people in your head. Gotta be scary there.
Culprit 10:57 PM - 25 February, 2010
Anyone interested in lessons on how to use Serato Scratch Live Video SL, we are having a free Seminar March 2nd at Cali Kings near Sunset & Alvarado. DJ Ghost (Odysseygear) and I will be answering questions, letting people hop on my set and trying it out for them selves, and also lessons by KDAY Mixmaster Tony G himself. If interested hit me up for details.
Dj-M.Bezzle 11:27 PM - 25 February, 2010
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Anyone interested in lessons on how to use Serato Scratch Live Video SL, we are having a free Seminar March 2nd at Cali Kings near Sunset & Alvarado. DJ Ghost (Odysseygear) and I will be answering questions, letting people hop on my set and trying it out for them selves, and also lessons by KDAY Mixmaster Tony G himself. If interested hit me up for details.



ya this is obviously the most approprite place for that post lol
Culprit 12:42 AM - 26 February, 2010
posted in wrong section, sorry guys
Henry GQ 1:15 AM - 26 February, 2010
can we get back to where we should get music videos besides promo only LOL
zompydj 12:11 AM - 28 February, 2010
DTVideos is reopening its doors tomorrow, So anyone interested in an account please contact at contact@dtvideos.net. Thanks you guys for the critics that made the service better.
zompydj 12:11 AM - 28 February, 2010
Oh and btw, we reached the 200 music videos! 50 Music videos in a month, not bad.
Henry GQ 12:55 AM - 28 February, 2010
so what all did u do to make it better ?
zompydj 1:11 AM - 28 February, 2010
I changed the video format and removed the logo.
Henry GQ 1:36 AM - 28 February, 2010
to all the videos ?
zompydj 1:39 AM - 28 February, 2010
That's it.
Henry GQ 1:43 AM - 28 February, 2010
thats what im talkin about, and have u listened to joshua about the quality ? u gonna step it up with that ? =]
zompydj 1:48 AM - 28 February, 2010
I did my best. But can't change what's already done. New edits will be done correctly ;)
DVDJ ©RUSH 11:24 PM - 28 February, 2010
I love everybody except you... If you asked yourself, "does he mean me?" than yes YOU...
Henry GQ 11:31 PM - 28 February, 2010
LOL... i love the new tat, u got balls homie!
rudyhimself 6:40 AM - 10 March, 2010
culprit is an ace on those vid screens. true story.
Culprit 6:48 PM - 10 March, 2010
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culprit is an ace on those vid screens. true story.


Far from bro, thanks for the compliment! Frank just gave me a bunch of DVD's from Atlantic, Machete, and Sony so its safe to say were on our way to something within the next few weeks.

You coming to the next meeting?
rudyhimself 5:33 PM - 11 March, 2010
yeah, ill def be there.
DVDJ ©RUSH 12:56 AM - 14 March, 2010
Thanx Henry GQ Yeah sometimes you have to make a BOLD statement for people to get you. This is what I do. Yeah i thought the placement of it was perfect putting the needle on the record ha
Henry GQ 6:46 PM - 14 March, 2010
yeah i was like...i love djing.. but damn. that shit is tiiiight.
djsnakern 2:35 PM - 17 March, 2010
Guys what's the best site to download music videos? I'm a hip hop/wedding dj.Thanks in advance!
lvmez 2:42 PM - 17 March, 2010
are you serious?
Dj Nyce 3:07 PM - 17 March, 2010
lol. snake, this thread has a million sites for legal videos. anyways the top of the totem pole these days is smashvidz.
djsnakern 3:22 PM - 17