last thing i expected from serato was this crazy decision of releasing even one more controller based software...

honestly cant really say what to feel as an itch user:
how many bugs could have been fixed if there was more focus on existing software recently released instead of this branching out, even the lion support that has been asked around seems to have been left behind to allow for this development ???

we have been asking for better fx for how long???
and now this software that i can hardly distinguish from itch (really, in screeshots they look the same!) gets released with 3 stackable f per deck ? really ?
in what way is this minimally fair to existing users ?

i guess now we can really say good bye to any sort of itch / ssl merge in the future :(

"Given that the compatible products don't have controls for all the features, how are things like the SP-6 controlled?
The SP-6 can be triggered via the hardware where possible, otherwise you can control it with your mouse."

Wow, we can't even do this in Itch yet...

i think we can control sp6 with keyboard or mouse on itch, cant we ?
not saying we should...

but i would not be surprised to find more functionalities being asked for itch being implemented on this software first / exclusively...

This is ridiculous. We've been expecting an update on the effects engine for so long and now comes the Intro with 3 chainable effects per channel. I can't believe it....
My only hope is that BPM will see a new version of ITCH, otherwise that is a stupid move IMO. They should have waited until 2.1 is out and the release the Intro....

I was referring to it being controlled by the hardware. No current Itch controller can control the SP-6. And to be correct Serato, isn't it an SP-4???

And it even officially supports Lion :(

yes! while the existing software updates are still left on their todo list...

I'm sure we will have Itch and SSL news then. Maybe one per day leading up to the 1st?

I'm sure we will have Itch and SSL news then. Maybe one per day leading up to the 1st?

A very smart move. The beginners market was totally owned by Traktor and VDJ, and ITCH devices are too expensive. Beginners do grow into real DJs, sometimes, and you need to sow your seeds ;)

+1

And more incomes = more momey for R&D, it can serve the two high end softwares that are SSL and Itch (hope it's not a dream)...

hmmm i'm not sure about that, resources have to be devided over the 3 products now
i'de rather saw a sp6 controller interface

Nope they always said that SSL and Itch developpers are two different teams...

Actually it's more an SP4 controller interface than an SP6 (4 banks)

I just find it ridiculous that there is no word about ITCH getting a video or getting an upgrade on the efx department.....

Well I still hope we are gonna hear from it pretty soon.....

do you hear any word from Apple about iPhone5? :D

Yes we do... all the time... from their usual channels

but not from Apple :D

Unfortunately we don't hear any word at all for ITCH, either from Serato or anyone else...

mmm... they hinted that modular 2.0 would have allowed for "quick" implementation of the other SSL plugins... :) "quick" timeframe closes in the next few days... ;)

Hopefully they will have something ready for BPM. Right now almost every software on the marker (including the newly born Intro) has better effects than ITCH.
You know me long enough Cerla and you know that I don't usually whine but this feels totally wrong...

mmm... have you tested it? daisy chaining 3 FX doesn't mean they're "better".

that's what I'm holding out for ;)

No, to be honest I haven't tested it. But since this is an SSL feature I am guessing that the included effects are taken from there and I know (I've tested it) that SSL effects sound better than ITCH's.

I am the first to "whine" about FX, time stretch quality and other long standing issues, but unlike other forum members I don't reiterate ad nauseam ;) I just send Pene scary private messages :D

Maybe you can share a template with us so we can send him our own complains as well :P

No, but chaining effects in general is!

Otherwise, why would the NS6 give you the option to stack effects?

We need ScratchLIVE's Effects Engine in ITCH now!

why stop here? we need a far better one! :D

and we need SP-6 synced up sampler ! :D


SSL dude

There are two more days before the October 1. Maybe Itch update released tomorrow, followed by SSL the next day. Hold your horses. The only company that announce all their products the same day is Numark. BTW, they have an N4 coming...

I agree, but in the interim give us ScratchLIVE's!

Three stackable effects looks alot like the layout for the VCI-400??

fully agreed,
just not sure the best way to achieve it is to release 2 different engines (or versions of same engine) in 2 different new products in less than 2 months period...

An educated guess: Intro gets the "awesome" ITCH FX set; ITCH gets a beef-up. Makes sense ;)

hope you re right ;)

I just don't even know what to say, I just saw this and was like wait, what???

All I'm saying is that they REALLY need to throw VCI and early NS7 users a bone now and give us FREE basic FX, even if we have to enable them with the keyboard or mouse. Total bullshit that someone with a Mixtrack gets FX, and those of us who spent real money on a VCI still have to spend the extra $200 for an outboard box.

You're forgetting that NS6, DDJ-S1, and NS7FX owners had to pay "extra" for the controllers in order to get the integrated effects. I don't think VCI Owners "deserve" anything.

Kinda. The new ones are going now for what the others sold for initially. And FX are available FREE for all ScratchLive and now Intro users. VCI and NS7 users are the only users in the whole Serato camp who are asked to pay extra for FX.

It's progress. Things get more features at a lower price. Very, very normal :)

en.wikipedia.org

This is an insult. Where are out better FX and MIDI support? My SP6 deck is usless without being able to trigger it, WTF SERATO. YOUR LOSING FANS

I hear you on that. But as an ITCH and SSL user, I went ahead and bought the VFX-1, especially since I use it to do effects in both software. I can see some people who would only use it for say just ITCH feeling kind of left out compared to the other controllers with it on board, but for people that can get a double use out of it, the VFX-1 is an amazing device :)

Least that's my take on trying to look at the positive side of having to lay down the extra money haha.

and apparently gaining fanboys

Man, I normally agree with you on issues, but I have to disagree in this case. Even if you throw out the FX issue, the fact that they even took this on and launched it while SSL 2.3 is still unstable and Itch 2.0 is far from perfect just shows that new customers are more important than existing ones to Serato. Yes, that's common in the business world, but Serato has been known in the past for their customer service and dedication to their userbase. This move runs counter to ALL of that, IMHO.

I have purchased an SL-1, a 57, and a VCI-300... altogether over $2,000 on Serato gear. It's just ridiculous to me that someone can go spend $200 on an entry-level controller and get more USABLE features than I have on my $800 unit.

Mmm. Point taken. For the money spent on the VFX-1 could just buy a Mixtrack Pro... dang didn't even think about it that way.

You all don't even know the quality of those effects. They could be very basic and sh!tty. Besides, It's only Thursday. Let BPM run it's course, and wait to see if Serato have any more tricks up their sleeves. If not, feel free to bitch and whine. Cause everyone that's bitching now will look pretty stupid if tomorrow or Saturday new updates to Itch and SSL are released. Calm down

I concur....for the time being.

only thing I can think of and would hope for is that DJ Intro is a marketing move to gain some monetum for this weekend. I would think an Itch update/demo would be great at BPM, but I wouldn't expect anything for SSL till NAMM.

@cerla, they say the new n4 by numark has timecode control so couldnt you use serato and video then or am i nuts?

follow the asterisk - timecode control is only for VDJ.

@eric, ok i new i missed something. i was like if the ns6 doesnt get the same thing then we have issues. lets hope video for itch next 2 days

You're widening the topic too much: I was only referring to that quote ;) this is pretty much ITCH philosophy, 1:1 mapping, so Serato can't be blamed for not supporting FX on controllers without FX controls (this rule will be broken for SP6 soon, hopefully). By the way a second hand VFX-1 or NSFX can be bought for very little money nowadays! ;)

or, if you were referring to this other quote:



then just wait until you're absolutely sure the next days will bring no news for existing SSL/ITCH users ;)

@cerla - hopefully the next couple of days bring good news for ITCH users. I didn't even realize BPM was going on this weekend when I first saw the announcements for Intro. It looked like "Hey - even though we haven't fixed issue A,B, or C yet, we are pushing a WHOLE NEW PRODUCT now! Yipee!"

And I've been scouring ebay for a VFX for a while. Most go for $175-250... roughly what I could pick up a Mixtrack Pro for used lol. I understand the 1:1 philosophy, but if they are going to break it for the sampler, they surely could for FX. I think the issue here is more that they are afraid of Numark and Vestax losing potential sales on VFX and NSFX units.

Numark N4 for Serato DJ Intro
www.skratchworx.com

OK ok. I haven't been a troller on these boards. And i have been extremely patient. I patiently waited over a year for itch 2.0. I patiently waited on SP-6 to be included in itch. I'm still patiently waiting on Bridge. And now today, i come on here, and see this "intro" software? And on top of that, this new software only works with lower grade controllers. I have an NS7FX, But i can't use it with that software? But the mixdeck and typhoon will? And then the ultimate slap in the face for both itch and SSL users. The FX are chainable like in Traktor.

So what is this? Is this seratos answer to try and hinder Traktor from stealing their users? And people been saying that SSL and ITCH eventually going to merge into one product. Well after seeing this i highly doubt that. I wonder with the statement in the intro specs, saying you can controller the sp-6 where available. So does that mean intro also has Midi mapping available? got me wondering, and will be another thing that will just smack us itch users in the face.

+1

After thinking about it for a minute I think it's a great idea. If every DJ out there who only has a few hundred bucks for his new digital setup goes Traktor, the customer base for Serato will shrink alongside the resources to make the existing products better.

I didn't like having to buy a VFX-1 to gain access to effects that I was using a keyboard for on SSL. However, after investing in one I have to say it is worth the money. And not just because controlling the depth of an effect is balls using the trackpad on a laptop.

Itch is still a very young piece of software. Give it time to get out of the shadow of it's older brother. As for the intro level market, let them buy their toys.

Dude, Itch has more features than DJ Intro

Oh i know Itch has features over DJ Intro, But at the same time, its like SSL users who want Sync for their sp-6 sampler. Something ITCH has, but SLL does not. In this instance, you got chainable FX (Something i would LOVE in itch: Weather the FX in Intro is the same or different from ITCH as far as quality is another story). And then the idea of SP-6 be used on hardware where available makes it sound as if there is some kind of midi-mapping involved. Something ITCH users want but don't have, but SSL does have.

But i realized also that BPM is this weekend, So hopefully after this weekend, us Itch users will have some news. So i will just be patient, as i always do

That's all I'm saying. The show hasn't even started yet. If they have more to offer, surely they wouldn't announce it all two days before. If the weekend comes and goes with no new updates, then everyone has a right to bitch and moan. I'm taking the positive route. I've long wanted an inexpensive solution for when I don't want to use my TTs or V7s. Well, now I can pick up a used Mixtrack Pro and have a solution for those bs house parties and such.

they say that it only has 3 fx but they are the only effects that are any good
itch should get a whole new fx package as we have paid good money for our itch controllers
after watching a few of the video`s for each new controller i dont think serato had any option but to release dj intro because in every video they were plugging tractor or vdj, without it they would be losing out on a big market share
id be surprised if there wasnt crossed words after seeing numark plugging tractor when they have a deal like ns6,7/itch

after a little more thought , i dont think it will help much as these are aimed at more instant dj`s , like they wont wait till they can afford a new controller to get a more complete version of itch they will just download the latest cracked version of vdj or tractor pro 2

Serato Intro is looking like a seemingly good marketing move to expand user base while creating negative PR with existing users and creating yet another development branch. It seriously pissed me off more to see as a totally separate product rather than being incorporated into either ITCH or Scratch Live. This will probably end the same as Virtual DJ Home Edition and LE and all the other iterations they came out with only to ceases development a few months later.

ok i used serato intro today and it is a great idea... it is compatible with the controllers that ship with traktor le-- mixdeck pro , typhon .. ect and it makes perfect since people now have a serato choice for entry level controllers and when the decide to upgrade they are used to serato. Most people that are complaining about coming out with this before xyz for scratch live or itch -- trust me you would not waste your time using intro anyways.

I just cant see anyone being psyched about using a program called "Intro" knowing there are two products out there by the same company with more features. The way Traktor and Virtual DJ are designed is that if you like the "light" version of their programs all you haveto do is buy an upgrade for the program but with Serato Intro you would need to buy a whole new controller if you wanted more. Just my 2 cents but if I was getting into DJing and new I would someday want more I would go a route that didn't force me to scrap my whole setup to upgrade.

This intro is pretty dope. I have a mixtrack pro for my company as a back up that we use with VDJ. Now with this we can manage just the one database and drop vdj. It is prettyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy tight. Way more than VDJ. Or maybe its just that im use to itch and its similar. Great software for the entry level and its something i never thought id do...work the mixtrack with serato.

Thanks!

I think a lot of you are missing the point...This intro will be bundled with new controllers, it supports existing, but just a handful and the point of it is to commence to be bundled with new controllers, but not all controllers will be Itch or SSL compatible, they will be intro. Simiar to when Hercules and these crap companies release wack midi controllers, or even ADJ, you wont see them making 800 $ plus CTRLS, instead they will get bundled with this intro software for free as they are lower end controllers, even the lower numark controllers, like this new n4, whats wrong with that?

The only question is why didn't a LE version of Itch just be released instead of a 'new' product in sense.

Actually, they wouldn't even have needed to make Itch LE, they could have just packaged Itch with these same controllers and just disabled the features based on the hardware ID.

Just wondering when I type in serato.com i get the rotating record thing and nothing happens. It seems like something is supposed to be loading but just doesnt work so I haveto go to serato.com/forum does this happen for anyone else??

you said it right there .... itch is not packaged with those controllers and serato isnt being paid to incorporate them. but right now they can hit a whole market of pre owned gear

Why does MS need to release 2-3 versions of windows 7?
Why does BMW need 1,3,5,6 and 7 series with 3-4 differnet models in each?
Why does HTC make 10 000 android phones, where they can just make one for each carrier?
Why does Numark make so many controllers?

This is what they decided, who are we to tell em how to run their business?

Your a DJ, do you cater just to one type of event? You only do clubs? If so that can go into 10 different directions. You spin only one kind of music? Only to a certain crowd? Only small clubs? Big clubs?If you do multiple events, clubs, mobiles and such, why? Why do you do what you do??? Are we allowed to tell you to how to do what you do?

Everyone needs to get a life and quit nagging. Always the same negative topics...

It might be that Itch has a different code signature that marries it more tightly to the dedicated Itch controllers. Whereas Intro has a more flexible code structure that allows for ease of assimilating different types of basic controllers that have integrated soundcards. Just a guess cause I don't see Serato as being the type of company who misses the obvious.

Not entirely true. If you start with Traktor LE, you can upgrade to TP2. But, if you want to use TCV, you have to buy the entire Traktor Scratch Pro. You cannot have TP2 and just buy an Audio 4/6/8/10 and have scratch functionality. You have to spend an additional $349 or $599US. Same with if you wanna go from Intro to SSL

+1

may look like itch but it's not itch.... from my brief time messing with it

so is dj intro a free product then? so no revenue from the hardware sales?

word.

I'm sure once Serato deems a controller Intro certified they get a piece of the pie.

fact remains that it now works with controllers who are sold already....

right ... managers at sam ash are pleased with the idea cause people can now get serato with the controllers

Personally , Im glad that they made Serato Dj Intro , Im a 16 Year old DJ , I own a Mixtrack pro , And ive DJ at Clubs , And Many House Parties . And whenever I DJ At clubs , I ALWAYS See many Other DJs Have Serato Scratch Live . And Since they Made The DJ Intro , Its 1) better then VDJ in my opinon , 2) lets me see what im going to get my self into when i save the money for SL2 or SL3 and 3)Makes me feel more of a DJ because I have Serato now :D (Ive been wanting serato since i began DJing) I do plan on getting Vinyl's or CDJs Im not Sure yet , But i DO Plan on Getting scratch Live and SL2 or 3 ! (:

you are not more or less of a dj based on your gear or software... that is the advice i have for you young 16 year old dj