Serato Software Feature Suggestions
Auto Loop (PRE)
What features would you like to see in Serato software?
Auto Loop (PRE)

AKIEM
9:17 AM - 7 September, 2007
so if we have measured loops, what if we could tap the end point?
if we could do this, I think it would be a very natural way of looping, you hear the loop before you loop it
if we could do this, I think it would be a very natural way of looping, you hear the loop before you loop it

AKIEM
8:02 PM - 7 September, 2007
suppose you want to loop the first bar,
instead of hitting the 'loop in' point on the loop and so on-
let the first bar play, set select auto loop 'one bar' and 'pre'
at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
you would not have to imagine (as much) what the loop might sound like by predicting whats beyond the start point having not heard it yet, or trying to remember what it sounds like
this way you hear something cool, "that would be a cool loop!" just hit the the 'loop out', and the 'loop in' is automatic set as well
I think this would end up being way more intuitive
you would be saying "loop that, what Im hearing now", not "loop that, what I am about to hear"
and hitting the button would produce a heard effect, jumping back. the way it is now just feels kinda soft and not interactive
instead of hitting the 'loop in' point on the loop and so on-
let the first bar play, set select auto loop 'one bar' and 'pre'
at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
you would not have to imagine (as much) what the loop might sound like by predicting whats beyond the start point having not heard it yet, or trying to remember what it sounds like
this way you hear something cool, "that would be a cool loop!" just hit the the 'loop out', and the 'loop in' is automatic set as well
I think this would end up being way more intuitive
you would be saying "loop that, what Im hearing now", not "loop that, what I am about to hear"
and hitting the button would produce a heard effect, jumping back. the way it is now just feels kinda soft and not interactive

Konix
8:12 PM - 7 September, 2007
So, basically, you want the autoloop to loop what's already been played, and not loop ahead X number of beats/bars? So loop behind, correct? This is how djDecks' autolooping works.

J.J.
8:12 AM - 8 September, 2007
Talk about a real emergency loop. I scene something similar in Deckadance.

allenbina
2:21 AM - 14 September, 2007
virtual dj also. its something serato should seriously look into.

dj luis
12:54 PM - 14 September, 2007
i'm not sure if i would use it- i always try to know very well my tracks to make sure i know when to loop... so make it an option...


Bill M
11:01 PM - 16 September, 2007
i really like this feature too (and am pushing for it). I think we could make it an option.
I've noticed a lot when djing along with a band that sometimes I'll get the cue from one of the musicians to "loop this right here" and either I'm super quick on instant doubles or I just gotta shrug it off.
It would also be handy when mixing out of a track. If you are trying to time a breakdown of one track to coincide with the end of another track, and you are one or two bars off, you could use to adjust it in the mix.
Also, if you accidentally let a track run out (no that I've ever done this), you could hit this quick and at least keep the beat going for enough time to get the next track ready to drop.
I've noticed a lot when djing along with a band that sometimes I'll get the cue from one of the musicians to "loop this right here" and either I'm super quick on instant doubles or I just gotta shrug it off.
It would also be handy when mixing out of a track. If you are trying to time a breakdown of one track to coincide with the end of another track, and you are one or two bars off, you could use to adjust it in the mix.
Also, if you accidentally let a track run out (no that I've ever done this), you could hit this quick and at least keep the beat going for enough time to get the next track ready to drop.

Konix
11:10 PM - 16 September, 2007
Well, if you do make it an option please have it as buttons (preferably with keyboard shortcuts) on the main screen by the loop area, and not a check box option in the setup menu. Sometimes I might want to loop forward, and sometime backwards. I don't want to have to go into the setup menu constantly to turn it on and off.

AKIEM
5:30 AM - 17 September, 2007
personally I would be good with a check box because I could still loop forward with the manual loop
but yes, I would prefer a control on the screen for this option
but yes, I would prefer a control on the screen for this option

nik39
1:49 PM - 17 September, 2007
Sounds good, but I am not sure if an option is what we need. There might be cases where you want to immediately loop, and cases where need a post loop.

KMXE
2:59 AM - 9 November, 2007
i like this idea a lot - it gets my vote. now that i think about it i find myself wanting to set a loof after i hear the track
great idea!
great idea!

AKIEM
4:27 AM - 9 November, 2007
haha yeah "a loof" I try to stay...
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i like this idea a lot - it gets my vote. now that i think about it i find myself wanting to set a loof after i hear the trackhaha yeah "a loof" I try to stay...

DJ Bouj
6:30 PM - 6 May, 2008
instead of hitting the 'loop in' point on the loop and so on-
let the first bar play, set select auto loop 'one bar' and 'pre'
at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
you would not have to imagine (as much) what the loop might sound like by predicting whats beyond the start point having not heard it yet, or trying to remember what it sounds like
this way you hear something cool, "that would be a cool loop!" just hit the the 'loop out', and the 'loop in' is automatic set as well
I think this would end up being way more intuitive
you would be saying "loop that, what Im hearing now", not "loop that, what I am about to hear"
and hitting the button would produce a heard effect, jumping back. the way it is now just feels kinda soft and not interactive
can u not already adjust the start and end points of the loop once its been established already, so, i havent tried it yet, im at work, but couldnt you set a loop after hearing a sample u wanna loop, then readjust the start and end points, i guess its not the most convenient way of doing it, but seems logically possible
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suppose you want to loop the first bar,instead of hitting the 'loop in' point on the loop and so on-
let the first bar play, set select auto loop 'one bar' and 'pre'
at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
you would not have to imagine (as much) what the loop might sound like by predicting whats beyond the start point having not heard it yet, or trying to remember what it sounds like
this way you hear something cool, "that would be a cool loop!" just hit the the 'loop out', and the 'loop in' is automatic set as well
I think this would end up being way more intuitive
you would be saying "loop that, what Im hearing now", not "loop that, what I am about to hear"
and hitting the button would produce a heard effect, jumping back. the way it is now just feels kinda soft and not interactive
can u not already adjust the start and end points of the loop once its been established already, so, i havent tried it yet, im at work, but couldnt you set a loop after hearing a sample u wanna loop, then readjust the start and end points, i guess its not the most convenient way of doing it, but seems logically possible

s3kn0tr0n1c
8:14 AM - 8 May, 2008
+1
defo...altho most of my loops are pre made....
still would be good to have on the fly ones work like this
defo...altho most of my loops are pre made....
still would be good to have on the fly ones work like this

nik39
5:43 PM - 9 August, 2008
at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
Can't believe I slept on this feature for such a long time.
It would be nice to have this feature!
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let the first bar play, set select auto loop 'one bar' and 'pre'at the loop end point 'tap'
the play head jumps one bar back
and the loop is set, one bar
often, on the fly, Im ready to make a loop, but I might not be completely familiar with the song, so I start the loop, nah cancel, I dont like that one, try again. or damn that WOULD have been a cool loop, too bad I missed the 'loop in' point
Can't believe I slept on this feature for such a long time.
It would be nice to have this feature!

AKIEM
8:42 AM - 1 December, 2008
I do a lot of throw a 2 bar loop on, and blend out. it would be sweet to not even bother with the start point, just tap on the end point...
I figure we could select between auto length Forward or Backward
I figure we could select between auto length Forward or Backward

WarpNote
8:45 AM - 1 December, 2008
Me too, I instant double and blend out, end-point loops would be nice.
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I do a lot of throw a 2 bar loop on, and blend out.Me too, I instant double and blend out, end-point loops would be nice.

WarpNote
8:47 AM - 1 December, 2008
Also, would be nice if it was available with the loop roll too....

nobspangle
2:52 PM - 1 December, 2008
+1 this it would be really useful for looping the end of a breakdown when you don't know how long it is or when it ends.
It would have to be on a modifier though something+1-0 and we are seriously short what with the loop roll.
It would have to be on a modifier though something+1-0 and we are seriously short what with the loop roll.

Padu!
10:24 PM - 5 February, 2009
Best idea I've seen in a long time. (How could I miss this discussion??)
Usually it takes me a lot of time setting loops ins and outs on songs. This would make my job (that is not a job) much easyer.
+100!!!
Usually it takes me a lot of time setting loops ins and outs on songs. This would make my job (that is not a job) much easyer.
+100!!!

AKIEM
1:17 AM - 26 February, 2009
I am happy playing with the loop roll for the moment but this one is still on the list

ekwipt
4:02 PM - 26 February, 2009
There should also be a way to move the same time amount of a loop either forward or backward

C. William
7:36 PM - 5 June, 2009
stay the course
never give up
it's not who falls down, but who gets back up
never give up
it's not who falls down, but who gets back up

PolishPat
9:14 AM - 25 June, 2009
+1 on this, and for the exact same reasons as Bill M stated himself.

RogerRabbit
5:49 PM - 7 July, 2009
+1
I got this in my other dj softwares... It easier pre than post for me..
I got this in my other dj softwares... It easier pre than post for me..

AKIEM
8:09 PM - 7 July, 2009
I got this in my other dj softwares... It easier pre than post for me..
any video?
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+1I got this in my other dj softwares... It easier pre than post for me..
any video?

VJ Justin Allen
9:34 PM - 20 July, 2009
Is there a way to jump to loops like you jump to cue points?

nik39
9:42 PM - 20 July, 2009
Isn't that a bit offtopic?
The manual will tell you: ... selecte the loop, ctrl+click on loop. keyboard shortcuts --- ask the manual.
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Is there a way to jump to loops like you jump to cue points?Isn't that a bit offtopic?
The manual will tell you: ... selecte the loop, ctrl+click on loop. keyboard shortcuts --- ask the manual.

VJ Justin Allen
9:43 PM - 20 July, 2009
Ah, Nik39 strikes with his wit and wisdom again. Nice as always Nik.

Audio Preacher
6:15 AM - 26 July, 2009
pre would be an absolute great option in the loop section on each deck +++1
also great would be the possibility to set the out-point before the in-point, so that a part of the song is spaced out. the playing-head reaches the out-point and jumps forward to the in-point... you can't believe how often I use my sample editor to make short edits of certain songs which play 'too long' to rock the crowd. can't think any reason why this seems impossible... it would save much much time for me and those edits would also be non-destructive which means everything can be changed later.
also great would be the possibility to set the out-point before the in-point, so that a part of the song is spaced out. the playing-head reaches the out-point and jumps forward to the in-point... you can't believe how often I use my sample editor to make short edits of certain songs which play 'too long' to rock the crowd. can't think any reason why this seems impossible... it would save much much time for me and those edits would also be non-destructive which means everything can be changed later.

Audio Preacher
4:31 PM - 27 July, 2009
ok thanks, didn't find that thread before... cool that so many guys are already into this
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WarpNote
9:28 AM - 1 March, 2010
I'm supporting your suggestion Akiem, playing the devils adovocate though, Id say the reason they made it forward in the first place, is that you have a chance to exit an autoloop before it actually loops, if the loop is not on point.
ie. old tracks/out of sync drummers, that kind of thing.
Happens a lot for me, so I pre-build quite a few loops manually...
Still, I'm not saying that's an argument for not enabling PRE loops in the software.
ie. old tracks/out of sync drummers, that kind of thing.
Happens a lot for me, so I pre-build quite a few loops manually...
Still, I'm not saying that's an argument for not enabling PRE loops in the software.

AKIEM
4:58 AM - 17 March, 2010
ie. old tracks/out of sync drummers, that kind of thing.
Happens a lot for me, so I pre-build quite a few loops manually...
Still, I'm not saying that's an argument for not enabling PRE loops in the software.
Right - I think
wouldnt the loop have to go through one cycle ether way to know it was off?
oh I see, you can only correct the 'out' point.
Maybe with an auto pre loop you could correct the 'in' (start)?
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I'm supporting your suggestion Akiem, playing the devils adovocate though, Id say the reason they made it forward in the first place, is that you have a chance to exit an autoloop before it actually loops, if the loop is not on point.ie. old tracks/out of sync drummers, that kind of thing.
Happens a lot for me, so I pre-build quite a few loops manually...
Still, I'm not saying that's an argument for not enabling PRE loops in the software.
Right - I think
wouldnt the loop have to go through one cycle ether way to know it was off?
oh I see, you can only correct the 'out' point.
Maybe with an auto pre loop you could correct the 'in' (start)?

WarpNote
7:08 AM - 17 March, 2010
True, Akiem, what I'm saying is, when triggering an autoloop on the fly, (in current implementation) you have the chance of exiting it if the out point is wrong.
When triggering a pre auto loop, If the in point is wrong you would not have time to exit it, as triggering would take you instantly to the in point, just like triggering a cue point. (or am I missing something here?)
On a similar note, it would be nice if it was possible to double/half the normal (post) auto loop (or even manual loops), having the out point constant/anchored, so that cutting/adding would happen from the beginning of the loop. Would allow for some interesting build ups and echos..
Again, these are not arguments against pre auto loops, they would be real nice to have, and would sure save my ass, once a while.
When triggering a pre auto loop, If the in point is wrong you would not have time to exit it, as triggering would take you instantly to the in point, just like triggering a cue point. (or am I missing something here?)
On a similar note, it would be nice if it was possible to double/half the normal (post) auto loop (or even manual loops), having the out point constant/anchored, so that cutting/adding would happen from the beginning of the loop. Would allow for some interesting build ups and echos..
Again, these are not arguments against pre auto loops, they would be real nice to have, and would sure save my ass, once a while.

AKIEM
2:49 PM - 27 June, 2010
yeah, there are + and - to most features I guess.
I am still bent on being able to hear the loop before you make it.
it would be lovely
I am still bent on being able to hear the loop before you make it.
it would be lovely
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