Lol...... April 6 where did you get this date from..?

" They promise to announce the details on April 6th but in the mean time,"

Straight from the article I linked... They are saying that Novation said that they will officially announce the controller on April 6th.

Also Musikmesse 2011 is April 6th - 9th...

April 6th was stated for the new Novation product. Don't know where he got that date for Itch. Probably taking a logical guess since the Novation product has been linked to Itch.

Sorry snake. We posted at the same time.

2 more weeks this should be something good...... I think we need to upgrade our computer when this thing comes out.

Itch SUCKSSSSSSSS!!!!!! we still on 1.7 and no improvements yet.. Virtual dj is light years ahead of you sorry programmers. ya'll need to step up ya'll game or hang up your name!!!!!!!!

cool, post the same thing in multiple threads... thats really productive.

Itch does suck. Ill stick with scratch live.

Good 4 U. Take care...

lol..... Now we have a lot of new haters up in here.

Im just saying.. How do you plan on playing in the club with itch. What do you do walk in the booth and be like hey i need to move these tables and set up my controller. Im sure the other dj's are cool with that right? And who wants to pack a controller around? I know I sure don't. Especially when I play out of town and have to catch a plane. I have yet to see a dj use itch in a club and I play at least 3 nights a week. Look at the tag on your controller and it reads MADE IN CHINA. My rane ttm57 says MADE IN USA. But then again I guess you get what you pay for. Yes you can do some pretty cool shit on controllers but until they are the industry standard which they aren't I'll stick with scratch live. Don't you wish you could do video? I know it hurts right. Maybe one day you will get past 1.7

Itch only sucks as bad as the dj.
I actually like Itch as it keeps me the dj, not the computer.
Simple, effective, stable and has all the tools I need to dj.

To each their own..one could also say having to hook up cables in a club and work around other dj's while they are playing can be cumbersome too..I think hooking up to rca cables into the main mixer is not hard.
Some people also like to have the same mixer and setup wherever they play, so having a dedicated controller that one feels good with, is sometimes a real blessing.

Hey, my controller (VCI) says made in Japan. Also, all the Pioneer gear says made in Malaysia. My MBP says assembled in China, so the iPad, iPhone .... the list goes on

This must be the worst argument I ever heard to judge DJ gear. Anyways, stick with your industry standard, apparently it works good for you and gives you a good reason to bash controller-based setups (I mean this is the reason you keep posting on an ITCH forum, isn't it?)

yup i have been for the past 3 years. It is not that big of a deal.


I seen some big name dj's travel to spots and frantically posting on twitter how the mixer there is crap and can someone bring sell rent them a better mixer. traveling with a controller would avoid that all together.


can't do video but i am hired to do audio so no big deal there

Clubs are not the only place for DJs to play. It's true. Really. ITCH controllers are ideal for the mobile market, where gear setups are fluid and not reliant on the rigid foxed booth setups. Mobile DJs can use what they want. And do.

I have seen a lot of DJs using controllers in the club. Just saw Sky Blue from LMFAO rocking the S4. He uses it at all his events. There are A LOT of big name DJs using Traktor with controllers. What about all the DJs using Ableton at events and just bringing an APC?



Pioneer DJM-800, 900, 2000: Made in Malaysia
Allen and Heath Xone Series: Made in China
Vestax 08 Pro: Made in Japan
Vestax 05 Pro IV: Made In China
Rodec Scratchbox: Made in Belgium
e&s djr400: Made In France
Ecler Mixers: Made In Spain

All the above are equal and/or better than Rane in quality and made abroad.

Also, you just stated the TTM-57 is a controller so wouldn't that make your statement pointless?

The percentage of DJs making good money from video is pretty small compared to that of DJs just doing audio. Video is still in it's beginning phase so Itch has plenty of time to implement it.

What about Traktor? They are doing fine and have no plans to implement video.

FIXED.

Traktor seems to be the preference for the EDM scene due to its superb effects, where Serato is not but Serato has an advantage with its video capabilities so they always stay pretty competitive. By adding video to ITCH they will be attracting an even larger crowd.

Most the clubs are scratch live ready so its mostly plug and play. I tried using itch and I just didn't like the feel. I guess i just like having complete control. Not saying that YOU don't with a controller but for me it was like going from a manual to an automatic.

which is fine but no need you come in stomping with the 'you can't ' type post... if you dont like it fine. but doesnt make on inferior cause they use it

I have SL3 as well as my NS7. So now I practice at home with my NS7, can use that for mobile gigs and if i ever get called into a club where the other DJ's have left no room for my NS7, I just bring my SL3. Everything transfers over automatically, the only difference I've noticed is the BPM counter doesn't go to 2 decimal places on SSL, which makes it a little harder to mix for me, but I can manage.

The only point I'd like to make is why not make Itch more like SSL so that it would be essentially the same program. Currently a lot of DJ's who have controllers will find themselves having to switch back to DVS occasionally. If both programs were identical it would make that transition super easy.

Isn't the version of Traktor that the S4 uses similar if not exactly the same as TP2?

I agree wid @zanzibar1 , the 2decimals makes alot of difference. I wish SSl had it.

Rane Hardware + Serato Scratch Live = Legally bound with hardware and software
NI S4 + NI Traktor S4 version = No legal constraints so more R&D freedom with software and hardware. Makes sense?

i see... still both software products clearly have some overlap. I'm not asking for Itch users to be able to plug into SSL and go, just saying I wish the software was more similar. :)

right features are not 'RANE' only cause SSL isnt doing anything proprietary that other dj software isnt

so......... what about this novation controller..?!

Agreed, connecting an SSL box around a already working booth is a nightmare.

One of the best things about taking my VCI-300 out is that I know that my faders are and jogs are maintained, lubed and in perfect working order. The same can never be said about club installed gear.

I feel that the VCI-x00 form factor balances size and usability perfectly. My concern with the NS7, NS6 and S1 is that practically they are too big to fit in a crowded booth with an existing rig. The S4 also is a smart size too.

I think Novation have realised the same with the Slicer from the teaser. If you want people to use these things in clubs, they must be portable and practical to fit in a booth.

@ KiddKutt....You made this comment about itch in another thread.



Then you made this comment here.


Now you sound like an angry but hurt troll or a lil kid screaming "my toy is better than your toy". Im not trying to insult you , just curious to why you are so angry ?

@pdidy Im Flattered that you took the time to stalk my posts. Angry....No Im plenty happy with my decision to use dvs. Like I said I tried itch and hated it. I felt like I was taking a step back as far as the software goes. look...use what you want. I dont care. there is no right or wrong here. I know whats right for me and its not a controller.

which is fine but why keep posting on a forum about such controllers?

Actually you appear to be stalking Itch. I simply reviewed your comments to determine if you were just a troll looking for attention. Some of your comment appear contradictory like "look...use what you want. I dont care." but you're still here complaining about it, so im still not quite sure why you're here.


So why do you feel compelled to tell us how much you hate itch when you claim to love your dvs. Why are you unable to just move on ? Do you now understand why i asked if you were angry or just a troll ?

@ pdidy

yes, the guy wasn't too happy with his foray into ITCH territory, and had better luck with a DVS.

and yes, he may have sounded a bit harsh, however he has all the right to share his experience in this forum. Have fun with your gear guys.

XONE DB4: MADE IN UK

For now. The Xone 4D was the same way.

Gzz I love ITCH reminds me of when I spun Vinyl. Simple! I never got CDJ's until late last year. I didn't like them, but they are nice. Coming from Vinyl to VCI 300 to CDJ's I know the diff.

Why complain I'm glad I didn't go out and spend a bunch of money to find what and how I like to mix. Turntables were pretty much it for when I started. Now I'm waiting on the next project hopefully April 6th will open to some options.

VCI 300 super nice, portable ,never an Issue. Xone Dx well all I see is headaches on the forum. Sorry I'll pass, Vestax you just can't go wrong with their products. You only get what you pay for in the end.

Hopefull Novation has a trick bag, from the video I seen maybe an Upgraded S4 for serato Itch ?

first image novation have released..

static.ow.ly

This is certainly not an ITCH controller. No ITCH logo, 8 hot-cues, complete lack of anything resembling a jog-wheel... this is for Traktor guys... such a shame... I was waiting for an SL6 compatible controller...

Well my theory is that itch wont have an SP6, it'll have an SP8, which would actually be a bit more like the S4.

Ideally this will be a combo. On the one hand it will be a stand alone controller for new DJs. For people with Itch controllers already, this will plug in and allow 4 track control as well as sampler.

Let's just say that, right now, the possibilities of this happening are much less than Serato releasing VSL for ITCH... yesterday..

It certainly is an Itch controller....

Watchwww.youtube.com

well mate, i hope ur wrong! :) And if you're right, then excuse me while I scream into this pillow!

Sweet video dude! Shame it's not an add on for other controllers, but still awesome!

Boy, I'm glad I was wrong. Obviously the previous image was with the Traktor overlay?

I want already...

Love that slicer function! Hope it is a standard on all controllers.

I'm loving this! 8 cues if not more for Itch 2.0!

The video clearly shows 8 hot cues for ITCH. Will they make them available to other controllers? My feeling that ITCH will allow basic midi mapping for sampler, video and hot cues is getting much stronger

maybe!

The slicer function is great. Also I think that both the hot cues and the slicer are quantized, too tight to be otherwise... The fader effects are great too and it also has booth output

even though you can use is for ableton live as well I'm surprised theres no exclusive bridge features mentioned?!

With the way they mentioned all the MIDI functionality, perhaps there'll be a MIDI clock that can come from Twitch and control the BPM of Ableton? :)

wow, they played smart, Traktor, ITCH and Ableton haha. Win, Win, Win???????? Money, Money, Money!

Damn I hope ur right. But the video does say that slicer is exclusive to twitch :(

I hope serato don't fuck with the whole point of controllers. Sure portability is one thing, but controllers are also supposed to ADAPT to new software. If my NS7 can't perform new functions as they become available, then I will literally cry.

Well how you expect serato to increase their revenue if they keep giving away all the new features avaiable to all controllers?, they make money by people buying new controllers.

looks ok... not sure about no jog wheels.......

Pre-order from decks.co.uk for £399...

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGIN!

if one could connect this sideways to a ns7....then it would be a real bargain :)

8 cue points ... not really it is 4 cue points per deck with 4 decks it seems to me

i agree on that

Go to 1:04, 8 hot cues on the left waveform

I see 8 cue points on the deck B...

Oops! Beaten to it!

Oh wow, I too am hoping to be able to use this with an NS7 (not holding my breath).

But you don't have to buy a new SL3 to get new software features with each update. Hardware features like 4 decks, sure you need the sl4, I get that. But the effects, sp6 etc are all the same regardless of the hardware you bought.

I think it should be the same for itch to some degree. We already bought the software with our controllers, we should get more features for old hardware.

Alternatively, start charging people for the software. Taktor do that. Maybe that's why they have more effects, because they have more money being poured into research for that.

ok thanks i was trying to catch that and couldn't tell but isnt that the file when he says 'set it up as one shot triggers?

two seperate functions maybe?

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Skratchworx does make a point of that it would look more at home in between a pair of cdjs or v7's
www.skratchworx.com

hope so..

WOOOT! Amazing machine!
Ok , now you may officially "believe the hype" ^^

i can see it being used like the maschine is being used with traktor.... please serato let us use it witth other itch controllers :)

That could definitely increase redundancy should one piece of hardware fail... :)

Must use this with my vci-300!

If used with other itch controllers or even with SSL, it could not only bring the slicer, sampler and bridge to those controllers, but as skratchworx makes a point of, it would be a great tool for VSL. Think about that crossfader being used to transition video.

Of course, the crossfader on twitch may just be for VSL on twitch. Still the possibilities of this wil another controller are immense!

Another thing worth mentioning is the ITCH version that appears in the video. The GUI is the same with 1.7 and certainly not like the leaked 2.0 screenshots. So this will probably ship with 1.9 which pretty much sets the release of 2.0 after July. Unless of-course they are hiding something...

With all these new features, they should test the crap out of Itch 2.0 beta before they recommend we take it out live. I can wait for reliability as long as I know what features I should expect.

i think it is 1.9 cause the 1.7.1 Beat-Matching Display: Shows "transients" (usually the drum hits) to aid beat-matching. is different it is not the same. now it moves like the Tempo-Matching Display: Displays tempos of both Decks to help the mixing process.

Check it out if u get what i am saying. normally the beat matching display "one is poit up and the other down, Now in this vid . the peak is pointing towards each other

Watchwww.youtube.com

check this out!!!

NEEEED TO BE ABLE TO HOOK THIS UP TO NS7 AND CONTROL 4 DECKS! ... or at least use it with ns7 on the two decks already

Resembles Two Kontrol X1's with some volume and cross fader.

I find it funny that Cue Point Juggling, Fader FX, etc are Traktor functions that are called controllerst gimmick DJ'ing --- but all of a sudden now it has the Itch stamp on it, so this is the coolest thing on the market.

It's a nifty piece of gear --- and priced great. I expected a little more?

a) This lovely controller is not meant to be demonstrated on an armchair like Steve Jobs did with his iPad. Half of the times he just can't press the right button
b) This guy hasn't spent more than an hour on this controller. In fact he seems like most of the functions are unknown to him

Overall, junk video IMO. It makes the controller and ITCH look bad and adds nothing we don't know from the official Novation video.

^ maybe some new features in 2.0 will "wow" this a little more.

True, but I am sure there are people over in the SSL discussion who still think it's gimmicky.

so what, just gathering all the info i can find!!! and a removable crossfader is new info, maybe it can be used between 2 v7's

I wasn't responding to you in some aggressive way. I was just pissed by the video and wanted to share it ;)

i Think this is a very positive move for ITCH and Serato. Everyone has been complaining that Serato is falling way back from its competitors, i think is is a good move trying to catch up with Traktor, This is not revolutionary since you can do all of this with Traktor but at least is now playing ball with Traktor as far as controllerism and live remixing goes.

Good stuff.

It looks cool and all but I was kind of hoping it wouldn't be an all in one controller but something that gives access to new features itch 2.0 would bring like bridge control and sampler. I really want to use these features alongside my vci-300

plus if serato gets their cut on every twitch sale was a smart move, i can foresee already some crazy mappings for traktor and ableton

Here is a good pic....

www.djtechtools.com

haha yall noticed how Ean wrote this article, i wonder where he fits in all this. Sounds like he was either part of the development or they just "borrowed" his ideas!

interesting...

he wrote in the DJTT blog when the first teaser came out that he worked with Novation on this. Remember he also helped out with the Dicer so there's a working relationship there.

I'm guessing that's why there is also a Traktor overlay/mapping shown in the vid that goes well it.

I at least hope that Itch will be midi mappable if we can't use this with other Itch devices

What i like the most about this announcement is that this is the first controller that is advertised for 3 different products officially and will have factory supported mappings for all 3 of them. I hope that other brands follow this trend in the future.

I don't find it that exciting for my style of DJing, however I think if it can be used in conjuntion of an exsisting 2 deck controller for controlling of 3rd and 4th deck as well as transport for your loops and samples or for Ableton with Bridge integration then we are talking.

I do think multitouch strip is interesting, however I think I might like it moreif they were vertical and along the 2 far sides of the controller, and maybe longer

Totally agree. I did expect more. Looking forward to see what itch 2.0 will add to this.

It would excite me if it could be paired with other ITCH controllers

...cuz THAT would be dope. I would be down. Not holding my breath tho...

Just asked if we would get all of our Twitch questions answered on Serato's Facebook wall, it was deleted.

haha were talking about dj equipment not nuclear bombs I don't understand why they haveto be so secretive about everything. Unless they don't know themselves which I hope isn't the case!

The price is attractive!

I like the slicer feature! The strip working with gestures is cool!

Portable!

Don't like it is only 2 channels!

2 more channels and you could add V7s or CDJs, or use 4 internal decks! Perhaps, pricing was the reason!

No sampler in sight!

It it the Serato Itch answer to the controllerist DJs!!!

would be cool to be able to hook up two of these units together or add a vci-300 to make an Itch 4 deck system.

one alone is four deck

does it specify anywhere how many points of resolution there are on the touchstrip? since gridding is going to be done on the fly through the strip - it would need to be fairly precise.

????

i'm just hoping that with a controller built specifically for use with beat grid/quantize that ITCH will be better with beat grids in the new version.

so when are we expecting the preview of ITCH 2.0? tomorrow?

twitch controls 4 decks

This wasn't actually deleted at all, it's still there. When you first land on our Facebook page, you only see posts from Serato. If you click on most recent, just under the photos, you will see your comment is still there.
And yep, we were sleeping when you posted that! I can answer questions about Novation Twitch for sure. But I'm not telling you anything about ITCH 2.0! You can't trick me that easy :)
All will be revealed in due time.

LOL epic fail

It has been revealed here already but for the added stuff.... That's what we want to hear.....lol

I heard that the look of the new Itch has been change to look more like SSL!

@kraal
The only reference on four decks I can find it's a brief mention on a 4 channel map template for Traktor... Can you point me to your reference?

Yes, epic fail! LOL

Anyway, I posted a follow up on there.

All in good time :)

i just hope to see a tweet by someone @ muzikmesse, ITCHHHHHHH 2.0 HAS VIDEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! and not followed by an april's fools tweet!

+1 for twitch being being used with existing controllers. I love the plug and play ean golden tricks. But I don't want to loose my VCI 300 jogs.

Brigid's famous words "All In Good Time"

So Brigid, is twitch a 2 or a 4 deck ITCH controller?

Brigid is not a user, its a bot. It replies only "All in good time" :D

@Brigid can you tell us if Novation's Twitch can be used in conjunction with existing Itch controllers?

I think it would only be a 2 deck or the screen when playing in Itch would have four decks showing. If I was Novation and was planning for the Bridge I would think this is the controller for Itch running alongside an Ableton controller.

I don't see any labels on the controller that have decks C/D that's a pretty big thing I think Novation would have shown in the Vid. They DID show it in a very similar Traktor Vid they posted.

I guess it's "all in good time"......lol

ha that was a quote fail my response is suppose to be:

From the video it sounds like 4 decks is only with Traktor, and looking at the default button template there nothing that says swap decks or decks 3/4

This is currently not possible, but it's a really cool idea. It's definitely come up in conversations before, so I'll bump it back up with the team


Twitch is a 2 deck controller.

BRIGID IS NOT BOT. SHE IS HUMAN. AFFIRMATIVE.

Thanx for answering our questions

Yeah that was my impression as well... Maybe kraal knows something we don't?

Ignore the last post... It came too late :p

don't think kraal knows something we don't, probably just a misinterpretation of the information that's available at the moment.

So will there be more hardware for users who want bridge and sampler? Or do we get to choose our own midi device??

Its all in good time

I can sell the food is almost done cooking!!! cant wait to get my teeth in a new version of itch !!!!

Yeah i think he got confused. they clearly say in the video that it will have a 2 and 4 deck midi mapping for Traktor specifically and that the box will include a Traktor overlay as well.

We don't make hardware, so I can't speculate on what might be made in the future. As for MIDI mapping in ITCH, it's definitely something we want to do, but I can't comment anymore sorry.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Twitch on Traktor!

so much for 1:1 mapping philosophy, maybe this is a change of direction for itch?

never really liked the idea of using faders to control effects, why not just have another knob? just a personal preference really..

We love 1:1 mapping, and we feel that this gives the best out of box experience. I'm just saying we know that MIDI mapping would be cool for people as well.

Yup, Settings... Advanced Midi checkbox. Midi mapping on. Everyone happy. Glad that Serato have seen the light it seems. Can't wait to see it happen!

then by all means give us midi mapping, lol

i just thought it was the most interesting new thing about TWITCH

When will ITCH 2.0.?

I don't really know what to say to this haha

You know what he means! And were all wondering the same thing!

ya!!! come onnnnnn

release the kraken :)

Enough talk, ITCH 2.0. out

Definitely this year. :)

ha ha ha :)

Chill out dudes! We'll have news for you soon.

I want ITCH 2.0. this week :)

maybe next year :-D

Brigid, I think he was referring to the fact that the Twitch uses the volume slider for both wet/dry params on FX and also the overall volume of the deck when FX isn't active...

We understand how much Serato values the 1:1 mapping but i think a lot of us see it as a lame excuse for a lack of much desired features. I think (and hope) that itch is breaking free from this 1:1 mapping that I see as more of a constraint than anything.

it really feels like today is leading up to a big announcent ie 2.0, when it doesnt happen im gonna get a little sad..

I think Serato itch 2.0 will be a game changer. They are so tight lipped. I work for a software company and this is the norm for a major product release. It is been a long time coming. Thank u Serato in advance. 3:00 am est is 9:00am in Germany. Sweet dreams ppl!!!

at this point it seems you know more than me..... :)

ITCH 2.0 will be out in Q3 as per the other thread...

^ I was just gonna say............the torture it will be waiting for it once we know about it

Wait no. I wasn't waiting for just an announcement I was waiting for the actual thing... Itch 2.0 already has been announced hasn't it? It should have released a while ago.

Serato staff only said that they would "SHOW" something in April, no news about a Beta anytime soon :|, definitely this year though :D

really who said that?

sera.to

Watchwww.youtube.com

Serato ITCH will be at 2.0.will be main smooth waveform display during playback?
thanx

say whaaaaaaat?

If your rusty old computer can't display smooth waveforms with the current version then I very much doubt they will be much smoother on 2.0. Their lovely and smooth on my 2.5 yr old c2d 2.8ghz. MacBook pro.

Ha.

I like this..

Watchwww.youtube.com

Marmalade stress test of the Twitch touch strip! Reminds me of Rane's fader in the Coke test videos.

Here is another Twitch demo video some user has recorded during the first day of the show

Watchwww.youtube.com

Very cool but I didn't like the fact that he used the mouse when trying to setup his slicer demo....not even sure what he was doing with the mouse at that point actually.

When is he using a mouse? Time stamp...

Ah, I think he was looking for a track in his library. You can do it with the hardware. It was just easier for him in thise case because he didn'T want to move the hands on the controller around to confuse people... I think.

I dig this thing really bad, even being an old school platter kind of dude. The slicer to me seems incredibly well designed and intuitive. I think that's where ITCH shines over the competition. I could pick this thing up, play with it for 30 minutes and have a really good idea of how it all works.

Top shelf guys and gals at Novation and Serato.

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I think the problem with the waveform not being smooth is not a computer problem! it is a software problem.

My computer is more than capable, HP, Quad processor, 8gb of ram, 64bit OS. ATI Mobility HD. And the waveform in Itch is not smooth, they look like jumping, they do not scroll smooth. I had the same problem with my old notebook, a Toshiba. It has the ATI radeon mobility display adapter. Same display company, same problem in a new computer? hum!

My controller is disconnected, I am using the internal player. I don't know if using the controller will make the waveform smoother! I don't have an Itch controller with me right now!

@ Kanario on PCs it's a known issue, on a 2.66 macbook pro it's very strange

Your right he did change the track, I guess I was so focused on the greatness of the device that I didn't even notice the track change....I hope Serato decides to allow this and an existing 2 channel device to be used at the same time, that would be so sick.

With Traktor is the same thing!

What seems to be the problem? Display drivers?

I really don't know. But Serato are well aware of the problem as it affects a lot of PC users, so expect a fix someday.

My waveforms got stuttery over time and now don't load quick enough. If i drop a track in and play it straight away then i'm only running 5 seconds behind the waveform as it's drawing.

This is on analysed tracks! It's been like it since a November beta i think.

I dunno what to say about smooth or not smooth wave forms. I had an ASUS older Vista 4 gigs ram 2.0 dual core. Wow did wave forms stutter Serato froze everything and above.

But funny thing is when I bought it in 09 I recall Itch had ran beautiful. As the upgrades came and went things got worse. Well I bought an ASUS K52 i3 core and Serato runs wonderful again.

So maybe I"m just lucky I didn't buy the biggest baddest Laptop and my waveforms are smooth I run at 5 ms latency.

fuck this novation twitch is the first innovative thing i've seen in a long time. The effect is not new but the controller design is flawless for its purpose, congrats to the masterminds behind it but im personally not getting one, definitely doesnt fit my style.

People with problems with the waveform!

Who made your graphic card? cause it seems that not all PCs have the problem!



I can reproduce the waveform stutter effect with 2 notebooks I have. Both of them use ATI Radion, by AMD.

Maybe we can narrow the problem down to just one or two manufacturers. In my case it is not only Itch doing it, SSL and Traktor as well! So, I think something else is causing the problem.

probs open up a help request... u sure u have the maximum screen updates per second (last page in setup) set to 60? it must be something u are doing if u can reproduce it on so many different laptops..

My screen refresh rates are at 60 too. It's an Nvidia GT6500 with 256MB dedicated memory.

New lappy time me thinks :)