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Are you talking about the new Quad-Core Models or the 2010 Duo Core i5 and i7's?

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Bit of a difference in question if you looking at buying a new 2011 model with a Quad Core instead of the 2010 Duo Core models. Hard to tell if they will have the same issue, but obviously they are promsing a signifigant performance boost in the 2011 models.

thats for the first generation i series MBPs, if skids is looking to upgrade to a 2011 model then the answer is: "We dont know yet..."

Exactly..didn't they just come out like..today???

mm ibtl

I was looking at the model before today release

The the Serato link above should get you to the right known issues.

To answer your question....

...just picked up the new 2011 13" 2.7 Intel Core i7 MBPro and connecting my first gen SL1 works fine ---

--- but the 57 does not connect. Odd, in the hardware window under the USB tab, the TTM57 IS listed but it's not working at all after starting Scratch.

Any ideas? Suggestions?

what version of ssl are you running? Is the TTM 57 Firmware updated

SSL is 2.2.

not sure how to update the ttm 57 firmware.

I just got the new 15" macbook pro as well. so far i have tested with 68 & sl3. it seems weird that the sl1 works but not the 57sl.

Swap USB cable you are using. It's sometimes the simplest solution that is the most elusive. You would be surprised what a great quality USB cable can do.

Dam i hope this computer works with a 57 Because i use TTM 57 and looking to upgrade from my Power book G4.

I just pick up the new macbook pro and it does not run with the 57sl unless you do some pre-start adjustments during the Start-up phase. I was told the 57sl is 32bit while the new mac is 64bit, therefore you have to convert your mac to 32bit at start up time...

Try this: Turn off Mac (you will have to download scratch live again)
1- power up mac...while your mac is starting up press the 3 and 2 key at the same time...This is suppose to change it to 32 bit..
2- To see if it worked go to the apple icon on top left (click)...about this mac(click)...more info(click)...go to software on left side this should give you specs...under the 64bit if it said,"no" it changed, if "yes" is still there do it again...

My first post ...hope this helps..

wow, that is a good catch. I guess since Windows has had the 64/32 bit stuggle, I forget that Apple will have that too with hese new MBP's. They really only had to contend with the quad core/64 on their pro towers.

Great first post! :)

+1

damn, that's a deal breaker right there

djfelixmay...

...GENIUS.

Restarting in 32-bit works. Awesome catch, thanks for the solution. A bit cumbersome but until they fix in the software, it will have to do.

Also thanks Chad for the usb cable suggestion.

This just saved my DAY...I'm opening up for Mann tonight and bought a new MB pro yesterday.....THANKS!

why do you have to download the SSL software again?

Thanks, great advice. But damn, that really sucks!!!



That's what I'd like to know.

I am sure a fix is in the works as we speak...

WOW! deal breaker for sure! Ive been waiting to upgrade to a MBP and I wanted an I7. After convincing myself to hold off till the next generation MPB came out I was excited about these but decided to wait till I heard for sure that they are compatible with what I run. Really disappointed in hearing this... time to wait again! lol

why do you have to download the SSL software again?

You might have to re-load SSL softwork if it doesn't work after you do the 32 bit re-start...If it works on the first try, don't sweat it...

I spoke to a Tech from Serato and he said, they are working on a "work around" for this problem...They did not give me a time frame.

^ ok great! thanx! and i take it you can revert back to 64 bit simply by restarting and holding down 6 and 4?

i just tried my new MBP 15" 17 quad core 2.3ghz, 8gb of ram, 1.5TB of space (replaced optical drive)...

ran fine with SL1 and ran fine with a rane 68.

i had a screen come up twice tho saying i had to hold down the power button and restart my computer. it was a grey box, power button symbol in the background behind the text, and the text was in several different lines in different languages. i couldn't ctrl-alt-esc out of it either, i had to hold down the power button and restart.

it seems like it was an OS thing, but i'm not sure if serato or mix emergency had anything to do with or not, cuz one time i specifically remember serato's usb wasn't even plugged in, and i can't remember if mix emergency was on both times.

but during actually using serato and mix emergency, like, while playing videos and mp3's, there were no problems while in use at all.

does the OS keep a log of stuff like that? can i take it into the apple store tomorrow and have a genius figure out what caused the crash? that would be awesome!

btw, what happened exactly when you tried running SL with the 57? did it just not ever load the playing decks or what? thanx.

That screen always came up on my old MacBook when it overheated. Not saying yours does, but keep it in mind. You could have a factory failure model, that screen is not normal.

They call it 'kernel panic'. Can be software related, and sometimes hardware related.

LOL....like IRQL (BSOD) Errors in Windows. Those messages drive me nuts....they are so hard to pinpoint. Good luck, Proto. Honestly, I would just return the one you have. Why endure all these issues w' a machine you've had for only 3 days? If the problems resurface in the replacement machine, you'll know they are across the board, and it might do you well to get the lower spec'd machine. I'm a little skeptical that a Quadcore can handle heat dissipation within that case. Who knows, I could totally be wrong, and it may just be those reports of the excessive Thermal Compound causing the overheating.

proto thats a heat issue... happened to me the day i got my i7 after about an hour of use. this was before i knew about smc fan control... GET IT. keep in mind quad core i7 means 8 threads of proccessing wich means more heat. id recomend usind fan control when running vsl or building overviews

Check the other MacBook pro thread for a complete explanation. But it was confirmed by the apple genius bar today to be a USB device issue, which was my SL1 box. It only happened when I unplugged the USB. Rafael at Serato informed me this is likely not a issue related to these new machines, as has seen it in older models and PC's too. He gave me directions to remove a certain driver, which I've done. Will test it when i get home.

Doubt it was a heat issue, in fact I've found this machine to run a lot cooler than my black MacBook did. Although I am interested in more info on fan control you mentioned up there. I also use a laptop cooling pad when I use Serato.

Again, there are more details in the other thread, including info about what serato's doing about the 32/64 bit workaround.

I believe this is what he is referring to... www.macupdate.com

nice, what do you guys set your fan speeds to in this thing?

default is 2000 rpms, i like to run 3000 with ssl 4000 with vsl. thats on dual core i7 not the quad. not sure if default on quad will be higher or run hotter

I always run on full RPM with speedfan while dj'ing in clubs. Just to be safe. Thing gets bloody hot, especially in summer.

see, mine never gets that hot, i guess cuz i'm using a cooling pad.

i'm prolly still gonna turn the internals up tho with this program. thanx.

Is there any evidence tht this prematurely wears on the fan

AND would a hot macbook pro be the cause of USB dropouts and crappy performance? or what is the point of making the fan run all the time?

why care about a cheap ass fan?

default = 3000
higher = 6000

I always set at higher when playing out. Have it set to kick in higher when power is plugged in.

I read somewhere that the fan is actually prone to failing if it runs at higher speeds continuously. And it is not easy to replace.

Haven't tried to replace it by myself.

Ive taken mine out to clean - pretty easy (depends on ability of course - but more easy then replacing the cd drive which Ive done)

but yeah, I wouldnt recommend running at high speed all the time :)

Best bet is to setup thresholds and forget about it.

If it hits 60 turn to 3000rpm
if it hits 70 turn to 3500rpm
80 4000 rpm

and so on.

Running the fan at full speed all the time will wear out the motor in the fan. Its a mechanical part, it will fail, only question is when.

If I spin with videos I always use a laptop fan where I put the Mac onto it. That keeps the wear and heat down.

i've been using a laptop cooling pad when i DJ (or do something cpu taxing) for years, and it always seems to work very well. i remember how hot my old powerbook would get until i started using the cooling pad. i credited that cooling pad to how long the powerbook lived (and it'd still be living if some dipshit didn't drop it).

Which laptop cooler do you use, Nik? I have a cheapo one from EBay (doesn't even have a brand name), but it does the job well. I'm just curious what you're using.

i agree with having the cooling pad because it keeps your lappy fan or fans (depending on model) from having to work so hard. If the pad fucks up just get a new one. A lot cheaper and easier and cheaper that having you replace a fan in your lappy

Does it keep you internal fans low?

I think even with nice external fans my internal fans end up on high anyway (without smc)

Same here, some cheapo. I tried a few ones, this one works well for me. I don't like the iGlass type of fans, cause they are not so easy to transport.

Definitly.

With the external laptop cooler pad the fans are like at 3000rpm while spinning otherwise they are at 6000rpm.

i take apart my lappy once a month to clean the inside of it. I had to take it in to the apple store and the techs were amazed at the condition of the lappy. IF your brave like me i would recommend doing so every so often (does not void your warranty)

if you do decide to crack it open make sure you have the right tools and a static free surface to preform the surgery.

thanks nik39 - I will re-evaluate.

How do you even turn up the internal fan?..just curious.

there is a small app that lets you manipulate the fan speed. the link is up above

Nice! TY