If you want to record 16 beats you need to set the multiplier to 16/1.

thanks for the reply yea that is what the chat in manual says on page 12 in the sixty eight manual.

but the problem is when you increase the range of the beat multiplier of echo to 16/1 it doest work on my mixer. on my sixty eight the beat multiplier begins with 1/8 and only ends on 4/1 with my mixer. in other words it's missing the capability of going up to /recording 8/1 and 16/1 when using the echo effect

well as the other 5 effects like flange,filter..etc the beat multiplier is range is 1/8 to 32/1 and it works perfectly

am guessing this is definitely a software glitch/bug because this started happening to me when i updated to the latest firmware 1.2.1 and sl 2.2.0 beta 4 build 22022

and now the stable final version 2.1.1 is acting the same way.. were by my beat multiplier's range in echo is only 1/8 to 4/1

oh correction am running firmware 1.25 on my 68

It depends on the BPM that the effect engine is using. The Echo's max recording length is 4 seconds (4000ms). If you have a slow BPM, like 81 BPM, the multiplier will only let you go up to 4/1, which will be a record length of 2963ms. Going to 8/1 will exceed the 4000ms max, so the mixer won't let you do that. A faster BPM will allow you to use higher multipliers so long as it does not exceed 4000ms.

The other effects work the same way. If you try to use a multiplier that is outside the effects engine's capabilities for that BPM, the mixer won't let you (you get a flashing bar indicating that you're trying to go too far). It's just not as apparent because the maximum LFO period for Filter, Flanger, and Phaser is 32000ms, so you don't run into that wall as easily.

Does this resolve your issue, or do you think there is something else going on as well?

yes it answers my question and every thing you said is exactly the behavior that is happening with my 68 except for me the cut off BPM is not 81 . even if i load a higher bpmed track between 120 and 140 the mixer will still not let me be able to use 8/1 or 16/1.

The only way am able to use 8/1 is when am using regular vinyl with out serato. in other words :

lets say i want to play an mp3 file children's story by slick with a bpm of 115 in serato. the mixer won't let me sample more than 4/1 with the beat multiplier.


well as if i disconnect serato and throw on the same song with the same bpm on a regular vinyl record...am able to sample with the 8/1 beat multiplier... regardless of if bpm is low or high......and on the screen it shows 120bpm.

okay since there is ablity to use 8/1 or 16/1 with regular vinyl will there be at least a check box or button in the future to disable bpm tracking for the echo effects when in serato so that we don't run into that wall of being limited by the mixer,,,,,,,,

i mean lets face the facts most dj's prefer more than 4 beats for a sampled intro and the majority of working djs have their tracks in serato bpmed between 60 and 140 bpm so being able to use the 8/1 and 16/1 regardless of high or low bpm will be a great much appreciated feature.

ma two cents

Hey thanks for your detailed response.

115 BPM is the equivalent of 522ms between beats. If you wanted to use the 8/1 multiplier to record 8 beats, that would require 8 beat-periods of recording. In this case, that would be 8*522ms, or 4174ms. Unfortunately, that is higher than the 4000ms maximum for the Echo effect on the Sixty-Eight. That is why it didn't work for you.

120 BPM is the equivalent of 500ms between beats. The 8/1 multiplier would result in 8*500ms, or 4000ms.

Having Serato Scratch Live connected/disconnected does not have any affect on the behavior of the multipliers.

I definitely hear ya on having a sampler that can record 8 or 16 or more beats. But, this effect was designed to be a Delay Echo effect, not to be a built-in sampler. It is a unique Hold Echo, for sure, and you can do some cool tricks with it by using it as a sampler, but it's still not a sampler. 4000ms was found to be more than sufficient for nearly all Echo uses.

I'm not going to to tell you what you want though, if you want it to record up to 8000ms, or however high, I hear that and respect that! All user requests are heard and taken seriously, and logged. If we see everyone wants something, we'll do our best to make it happen. For this Echo records length, I don't think we'll be able to do anything about it right now, but it will be taken into consideration in the future.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Thanks for the clarification Trevor, i really appreciate it!


120 BPM is the equivalent of 500ms between beats. The 8/1 multiplier would result in 8*500ms, or 4000ms.

Having Serato Scratch Live connected/disconnected does not have any affect on the behavior of the multipliers.

does this mean that when you are playing regular vinyl records the beat multiplier tracks the bmp from the record even if the scratchlive is disconnected? or is the beat multiplier just gona treat every vinyl record regardless of bpm as 120bpm as the default tracking bpm.

I was a little unclear there. Lemme break it down a little differently.

The FlexFX Engine on the Sixty-Eight basically works on three variables: The BPM, the Multiplier, and the Level/Depth Knob.

Robot and Reverb don't use the BPM or the Multiplier, but the rest do. And the Level/Depth knob's function varies from effect to effect.

But that BPM and Multiplier, they result in a time. For the top 3 effects, that's the LFO period, for Echo that's the record length. The Time can also be directly modified with the Time encoder, of course.

The BPM is supplied to the mixer in two ways: Manually (by you tapping/entering a BPM), or Automatically (received from Scratch Live). The mixer hardware itself does not detect the BPM, that is done by the Scratch Live. Scratch Live just sends that BPM to the mixer (it's actually a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist).

The Multiplier, that is only entered manually. You may see the Multiplier change without you explicitly changing it yourself. That will happen when the mixer receives a new BPM (from you OR Serato), or when the Time changes. But Scratch Live doesn't send a Multiplier to the mixer at any point, just the BPM.

So what I meant when I said that having Scratch Live connected/disconnected doesn't have any affect on the behavior of the multipliers was just that it won't have any affect on what multipliers you have available, or how they change. Having Scratch Live connected/disconnected _does_ have an effect on the BPM tracking though. If Scratch Live is disconnected, the BPM in the FlexFX Engine will only be that manually entered BPM, not necessarily an accurate BPM of the vinyl. When you tap in a BPM, the mixer will help you out a little bit and average it out so you don't have to tap perfectly to get an accurate BPM of what you're listening to.

If you see that * flashing on the screen, the mixer is tracking a BPM supplied by Serato. If the * is solid, or you see arrows, then your mixer is not tracking.


Hope that helps. Happy Holidays!

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa now i get it and fully understand how beat multiplier works. thanks so much for the useful info about every thing how it works and explaining every detail to me. cause i was getting frustrated and wondering how every thing with echo worked but thanks to0 your explanations now am well equipment with knowledge how it works :)
Trevor you should sticky section in the online 68 manual/rane sixyeight disscusion thread with all these explains and break down about beat multipliers with how it works echo so that others may benefit from it. oh men was this insightfull

cheersss Rane support till i die.... happy holidays

Great! I'm glad is all clear now. One more trick that you may not know about:

Clicking straight down on the encoder will restart the LFO for you. Tapping in the BPM will sync it for you, but if it drifts or you just want to go back to the beginning of the filter sweep, or whatever, click down on that encoder. That works for the top three effects.

For the Echo, if you're stacking stuff up there and it's not working out, or you don't need what's recorded in there anymore, clicking down on the time encoder will immediately clear all that out. That's great for me cause 9/10 times I trainwreck tryin to record different things in there, haha.

Cheers!