Sucking since 2004

PoorSSL 6:34 PM - 21 March, 2007

Here's why:

1. You can't have a CD-J and Turntable setup in use with Serato at the same time. It's either phono or line modes. This is part hardware and software flaw. There's no redunancy in case of emergencies. There should have been more input RCA jacks and
auto switching on the Thru port so you can mix and match Turntables and CD-Js on the fly on any channel. Heck you should be able to mix iPoo'ds with this shit if it's so good, but you can't. Thats why it sucks. To add to that, if you're using the
CD-J/Serato configuration and your 2 channel mixer's channel doesn't support dual mode line and phono/line, forget about it.
You need 2 line inputs per channel, otherwise don't bother using the CD-J side at all. Absolutely no redunancy there.
2. You can't mix MPGs or video files and have the video output channeled to a video mixer. Come on new technology, you'd
think you'd be up to date at this point. DVD-J's are still kicking your ass and they've been out longer than you.
3. Having all the songs on 1 hard drive makes Serato, and the system itself generally slow causing lag and horrible results.
Don't think having a Mac notebook solves this problem, it happens on ALL computers. It's called fragmentation. Don't be a
cocky non-IT compliant DJ operating a laptop.
4. People seem to think they're 'cooler' using serato when they play a remix that no one has on vinyl or cd. There is no
advantage or even respect when you're downloading it or using a computer to edit the tracks. Its called cheating. Anyone can do it.
5. 128kbps sounds shitty and you have to crank up the gains to acheive equal volume levels. It clips the speakers and the
slightest click of a scratched control record can hurt peoples ears. I wonder why people/promoters don't notice this shit.
6. Technology is technology and there will always be something twice as better within 2 years at least. Software can advance
at any time, it's just that the makers of Serato are too fucking lazy and careless to upgrade their shit. Think about it. Serato has been out since 2004 (3 years) and it hasn't changed since. MP3 software mixing has been out since 2000. When I think of those numbers, I think what a piece of shit. A bunch of monkeys must have designed this crap. It's like a Mac, they think they can upgrade when they feel like it, when they needed it a LONG time ago.
7. The software is not open source so many intellectual DJ's who ARE computer savvy cannot provide input as to what they want to see in the program. You can bitch and complain on their gay Serato forums but that's it. Otherwise, you can only download updates of stupid things like Auto BPM, Gain Detector (shit that should have came with the software in the first place).
8. Serato makes DJ's lazy and undeserving. You will notice their bellies get fatter each time they perform because they
aren't working out, and don't give a shit about vinyl records any more. They think they're free from hard labor and storage
space. Convenience over quality. We'll see how the convenience fairs when they're hard drive with 300 gigs worth of songs are
gone in 1 second from hard drive failure. They'll be thinking What's RAID? What a shame and how dare these DJs think they're
taking over.
9. What happened to the entertainment factor? All you see is a guy hacking on the computer and playing music from it. If I
wanted to see that shit I'd go to work where I can see that shit all day. It's like a performer having someone sing for them back stage and the performer is just lip syncing.
10. Finally, Serato will never EVER acheieve the same sound quality as vinyl or live performances. So don't ask me when I'm
going to "convert" because I will never "convert." I will possibly "use" it on occassion but I will always prefer vinyl over anything including CD-Js. Quality over convenience. I'm not replacing a grand piano with an electronic keyboard. Not now, not ever.

tig ol' bitties 6:36 PM - 21 March, 2007

your a douche. Go jump off a bridge.

Dj Ryme 6:38 PM - 21 March, 2007

Dude you sound like you've had one too many dildo's up your ass.

dj skraps 6:41 PM - 21 March, 2007

"DOOOOUCHE BAG"

CMS 6:48 PM - 21 March, 2007

WAAAYYYY too much time on your hands.

echey 6:48 PM - 21 March, 2007

Are you JESUS?

DJ Michael Basic 6:50 PM - 21 March, 2007

Holy shit...I never noticed any of that...you're totally right. I'm switching back to vinyl this instant.

shiestO! 6:57 PM - 21 March, 2007

Quote:

Here's why:
DVD-J's are still kicking your ass and they've been out longer than you.
.

and they cost how much? 3500$ a piece? yeah.

carry on gentlemen. let this one go.

De LA 6:58 PM - 21 March, 2007

so....thats what its like to be unemployed.

a-swift 7:12 PM - 21 March, 2007

does anyone know this guy personally? i'd like to invite him to the next meetup.

allenbina 7:24 PM - 21 March, 2007

i personally like #8. Serato makes you fat.

allenbina 7:24 PM - 21 March, 2007

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does anyone know this guy personally? i'd like to invite him to the next meetup.

theres a meetup?

DJ Mo Rada 7:25 PM - 21 March, 2007

lol.... why even bother taking the time to type that? ...

well, maybe we should all sell our serato and use the money to buy Belt-Driven turntables, this way no one can say were cheating.

Releaux 7:27 PM - 21 March, 2007

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Don't be a cocky non-IT compliant DJ operating a laptop.[/b]

Best. Line. Ever.

Releaux 7:28 PM - 21 March, 2007

DAMMIT! Let me try that again.

Quote:

Don't be a cocky non-IT compliant DJ operating a laptop.

Best. Line. Ever.

Wow... maybe this guy has a point. I never used to make mistakes like that before I got SSL. Maybe I'm becoming non-IT compliant.

dj disturbed 7:42 PM - 21 March, 2007

1. Yes you can.. just get a phono preamp on the turntable and you can run one ttbl and one cd player.
2. wait for 1.8.... and look at the youtube videos about serato video mixing
3. i have not seen this issue myself
4.no its called innovating... it the same thing that has been done for years in several diff forms.. just a more modern way to do it
5. Thats why anyone who knows what they are doing is using higher quality encoding..thats not serato's fault. thats user error.
6. Serato has changed quite alot sence it came out... but has not lost any of its stability (unlike other programs over the years)
7. Thats why there is a bate testing area.... and i dont know of many software apps that you haveto pay for that come as open source... that would just be asking someone to steal there coding.
8. my belly wasfat b4 i ever got serato.... but... its about lifestyle... there again i site user error on this one
9.i will say again... its innovation... technology advances and a good entertainer will take advantage of the advancements
10. well thats you opinion and your choice.. we arnt going to look down on your for not using it... so you should not look down on those of us who do.

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JayB1200 8:14 PM - 21 March, 2007

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i personally like #8. Serato makes you fat.

I lose 20 pounds simnce i started using serato...

sixxx 8:25 PM - 21 March, 2007

"We'll see how the convenience fairs when they're hard drive with 300 gigs worth of songs are gone in 1 second from hard drive failure."

So, basically you don't know anything about back up? I've seen vinyl go up in flames and THAT you can't back up easily. At least digital files can be copied and saved in case shit happens.

... and don't get me wrong. I love vinyl. But some of this shit, just doesn't add up. When you're trying to make a point, and your point is flawed... your WHOLE ARGUMENT IS FLAWED.

PoorSSL 8:47 PM - 21 March, 2007

hope your computer dies in the middle of your performances.. idiots

Dj Ryme 8:48 PM - 21 March, 2007

hope your able to afford a laptop and ssl soon so you could stop hating.

PoorSSL 8:52 PM - 21 March, 2007

anyone know of a good SSL virus? One day SSL will finally implement video mixing...and all of a sudden a virus interupts the performance and puts up a porn video clip in front of thousands of people and all you hear is moaning

PoorSSL 8:54 PM - 21 March, 2007

i'm not hatin, i will get it and use it..but not converting to it. and i will wait to get it because i want to see the shit i want to see on it like video mixing which should have came out at the same time..rane just wants your money they don't give a shit

tig ol' bitties 8:55 PM - 21 March, 2007

you know that saying...

your as cool as cancer? well yah, thats you.

tig ol' bitties 8:57 PM - 21 March, 2007

its called D-E-V-E-L-O-P-M-E-N-T
that big word requires T-I-M-E...they wanted a quality product pushed before focusing on the added bonus of video...

Thundercat 9:03 PM - 21 March, 2007

redwing.hutman.net

PoorSSL 9:12 PM - 21 March, 2007

maybe they should add more features like Effects, Sampling, or Recording live mixes features. they haven't produced anything but a basic mp3 mixing console to me, and it STILL has problems. how much more time do they need it's already 2007, quad core chips, u'd think they can start utilizing more advanced technology by now

PoorSSL 9:17 PM - 21 March, 2007

since ssl is based on technology, i'm utterly disappointed and so i will wait..maybe pioneer will come out with something and do shit right like they've always have

dj disturbed 9:26 PM - 21 March, 2007

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since ssl is based on technology, i'm utterly disappointed and so i will wait..maybe pioneer will come out with something and do shit right like they've always have

if pioneer did shit right.. they would not have made the CDJ's feel like fisher price toys (but thats just IMHO)

nik39 9:28 PM - 21 March, 2007

Poor PoorSSL:
So you have joined the forum at
March 21, 2007, 7:26 AM

Had your first thread titled "Suck" scratchlive.net <- click here, at
March 21, 2007, 7:30 AM

Your second post titled "Sucking since 2004" scratchlive.net click here, at
March 21, 2007, 7:34 AM

You really seem to have a poor life.

Now do all of us a favor, go and buy Final Scratch. Any version will do it.

dj disturbed 9:33 PM - 21 March, 2007

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maybe they should add more features like Effects, Sampling, or Recording live mixes features. they haven't produced anything but a basic mp3 mixing console to me, and it STILL has problems. how much more time do they need it's already 2007, quad core chips, u'd think they can start utilizing more advanced technology by now

Effects... Already there if you have a rane 57sl mixer
Sampleing... would be cool but not nessisary for good DJing
Recording live... kinda hard sense you mix externaly.. if you are serious about recording you would know not to use the same computer that you are playing from.. there is a reason why most good studios have several computer set up right next to eachother.

DJ GaFFle 9:35 PM - 21 March, 2007

I think this guy is DJ Premiere in cyber-disguise or a Torq fan.

I'm making loot with this SSL stuff. If it wasn't for SSL, I wouldn't have gotten back into DJ'ing. Too many records to collect since my prior retirement. The game needed me.

This thread is gonna last forever...

dj disturbed 9:39 PM - 21 March, 2007

redwing.hutman.net

dj disturbed 9:39 PM - 21 March, 2007

its it ruccazoid

PoorSSL 10:01 PM - 21 March, 2007

when you add a computer to the factor, one would think of amazing things and it's capabilities. SSL lacks it. I personally would rather use a laptop to Record live mixes, edit tracks, or create remixes. Something a laptop should be more used for.

why doesn't some company just come up with a device that interfaces directly with an external hard drive and a CD-J. Think about the cassette tape to CD convertor for your car. Only it's a hard drive to CD convertor for the CD-J. Have the CD-J control and manipulate all the MP3 files directly from the hard drive without any control cd or laptop. it'd be practically the same things as SSL except more stable because you don't have to worry about the computer crashing on you. It's more practical because you're not trying to make analog and digital worlds clash like Rane seems do so well.

Whatever dudes, SSL is just a fad because I predict newer technology will take over.

nik39 10:06 PM - 21 March, 2007

PLEASE: Buy yourself some Pioneer DVD players and GO NOW.

a-swift 10:06 PM - 21 March, 2007

so you joined the forum to let us all know how much ssl sucks, and to antagonize people? i don't get the point of all this. do you think you're actually *helping* anyone by telling us all how much ssl sucks,.. or does it just make you feel better to get it out?

you can't honestly say that you're helping or informing any of us with all your negative ssl crap? so it must be that saying all that stuff makes you feel better about yourself, and that fact that you don't have it and you're never switching, it's a fad, etc.

so still i ask myself,.. what's the point of all this?

PoorSSL 10:16 PM - 21 March, 2007

1. yes it makes me feel better
2. expressing my opinion is free
3. trying to shed some light so people don't fall into the trend of Rane taking their money for every improvement that comes out.
4. keyword "switching" NEVER or at least not yet!
5. It is a fad because newer technology will be better
6. if you all don't like, then don't read my stuff

You GO NOW I made this shit

nik39 10:21 PM - 21 March, 2007

Its not a trend. Especially if there are many DJs owning and using it - GO AND give it a TEST DRIVE. It's not like anyone is forcing you.

If you dont want to switch - DONT DO IT. As anyone would forces you or would care at all. Is there an agreement you have to sign when you buy SSL : "YOU HEREBY DECLARE THAT YOU NEVER USE VINYL AGAIN"?

Of course new technology get better. You are not stating anything new. Doh.

Expressing your opinion is fine, but for god sake use some good arguements not that crappy things you post about.

CMega 10:24 PM - 21 March, 2007

Do you have any live mixes we can listen to? Where do you spin and what nights?

djzoo 10:30 PM - 21 March, 2007

dear forum members,

a wise man once told me. "don't argue with a fool, from a distance, others can't tell who is who"

long live SSL

dj hes 10:31 PM - 21 March, 2007

I agree with this kid...serato is gonna just be a fad......equivalent to technic 1200's. ah hahaha! Seriously, if you wanna be in the biz, u gotta adapt. True the HD might crash, but i've done gigs that the CDJ errors out and gigs where Vinyl melts in the car before i get set up.

This type of idoit that posts this stuff is like the kid that goes to xbox360 forums and says PS3 is better lol (we all kno xbox rules muah haha). He is starving for attention. So you have it now. thank you for the good laughs.

PoorSSL 10:33 PM - 21 March, 2007

i have test driven it many times and played it out in clubs. it's boring and lacks the features i want. to easy to mis-key and fuck shit up during a live performance. too many devices to worry about crashing, usb ports, power supply, hard drive failures, lcd burnouts. i guarantee once this shit happens to you at a live performance you'll hate it for life because it made you look stupid.

i don't think my opinion is crap, that's yours.

where does old technology go? in the recycle/trash

see there you serato dj's go about how much better you are than other dj's...CMega you want to listen to my mix so you can tell me how much I suck and train wreck and how much you can do a better job on serato. i really don't care. I'm talkin about SSL's technology not anyone's mixing.

PoorSSL 10:35 PM - 21 March, 2007

fa sho dj hes. finally someone who can agree to one thing i've said. trust me, i'm a fanatic about technology, and i like to keep up on it. i'm just no impressed about the SSL and how many DJ's think it's way better than anything out there.

a-swift 10:39 PM - 21 March, 2007

Ok, I admit. He's almost got me convinced. Who else is with me.

PoorSSL 10:47 PM - 21 March, 2007

time to end this day on a good note. go DJ go DJ GO!

btw, i don't mean to direct any comments to anyone. it's all in the nature of fun and controversy.

Pete Moss 10:56 PM - 21 March, 2007

Poor SSL, It's been a while since I was at a roller skating rink. Do they still have turntables in there?

dj hes 11:01 PM - 21 March, 2007

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I agree with this kid...serato is gonna just be a fad......equivalent to technic 1200's.

This was supposed to be a mockery... as if technic 1200's are a fad....they are the lifeblood of djs, just like serato is now.

The reason i am impressed with Serato is because it is a solid product, plain and simple. It doesnt need bells and whistles, just to load songs and let me manipulate them in any fashion I can with use of the classic 1200's. What about the insane timing of scratching with that product with no lag? thats impressive enuf to me. serato rules.

PoorSSL 11:01 PM - 21 March, 2007

don't lie u know you setup the serato at the roller skating rink

PoorSSL 11:03 PM - 21 March, 2007

ahh there is lag just not noticeable lag, and as soon as you clutter that PC, it'll become more noticeable

Dj KaGeN 11:03 PM - 21 March, 2007

I just took a big ole shit in my 57... and wiped my ass with my SL1's. Any more of this and I'm gonna have to use my 56 as a jack stand while I rotate my tires tonight.

PoorSSL 11:04 PM - 21 March, 2007

i wouldn't rely on serato as much as i do 1200s

DJ Stuart (AR) 11:05 PM - 21 March, 2007

Poor guy!.

PoorSSL 11:10 PM - 21 March, 2007

they all hate me cuz they know i'm right

PoorSSL 11:12 PM - 21 March, 2007

who here has had over 100 gigs using Serato? how many times has it failed or something has gone wrong? just curious

De LA 11:13 PM - 21 March, 2007

great, you dont like. We do, You arent gonna change anyones mind here. Some of us dont need the internet to get our opinions. Now please STFU and go start a thread about how macs are better than PC if you want a good arguement.

Pete Moss 11:13 PM - 21 March, 2007

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who here has had over 100 gigs using Serato? how many times has it failed or something has gone wrong? just curious

220 gigs
0 failures
0 hiccups
0 difference

JayDJ130 11:26 PM - 21 March, 2007

I've used it on well over 100 gigs and have had a problem 2 or 3 times. Never a problem that couldn't be taken care of and never during prime time of the night. I would put that on par or better with how often records used to skip or records used to warp or needles would jump. In fact, a problem at 2% of gigs or less is pretty damn amazing. You won't find me switching from SSL.

PoorSSL 11:29 PM - 21 March, 2007

i didn't say that i didn't like. i like the concept. it's just SSL lacks ingenuity and is behind on technology. out of no where you come from, try reading the posts before you reply.

220 gigs 0 failures that's a little hard to believe. But I'll take your word for it cuz I don't care. I still think 1200s will out last Serato.

Dj KaGeN 11:35 PM - 21 March, 2007

I have had more issues with any one of the following; shitty decks, needles in disrepair or not hooking up properly and decks that are not level at gigs. Anyone of these have been repeated offends by comparison to anything Serato has thrown at me. Wait let me think, SSL has run flawlessly - sorry you're a such a hater or a twit, pick one.

sixxx 11:35 PM - 21 March, 2007

Quote:

i didn't say that i didn't like. i like the concept. it's just SSL lacks ingenuity and is behind on technology. out of no where you come from, try reading the posts before you reply.

220 gigs 0 failures that's a little hard to believe. But I'll take your word for it cuz I don't care. I still think 1200s will out last Serato.

I think the combination of 2 is the best. That's all I use now. Well, I lie. I do use vinyl on some occasions when I haven't had the time to rip the vinyl or get it directly from the label, etc.

Rick Hodgkins 11:46 PM - 21 March, 2007

The guy is frustrated obviously.
Been that way many times, impatience is the other force that fucks with our heads.
I jumped around from program to program for years based on who did what better, no favorites until now but nobody knows the future. It's constantly changing as is the lead of it all.

What puzzles me is why all you guys take this pride stand like he's talking about your mother and it's the end all software. It's like you have the blinders on.
Hell if something is going to give me the edge or shows me due care to users, I'm in. I don't give a shit who's name is on it. To wait and get stroked and not have the new technology features because of team or brand pride is silly.

Now we all know that video is in the future, but If I owned this company and saw that NAMM demo video floating around on U Tube, I'd do everything I could to either cremate it or get one up there that reflected properly on my latest creation.
That demo is so fucked, it's sick.

I've read these kinds of posts for years, and the fact that they don't get deleted shows some respect towards users for not censoring them, but it also shows that there are problems worth looking at if you are a business striving to be the best.
You have to listen to all of your users is the point.

I believe that every user has a right to an opinion, and if he took the time to spell it out, he's not a nut case. He's just a paying customer that's pissed off and tired of waiting for improvements as the rest of the software world goes forward.

When the dawn of video mixing comes from SSL it will be a big day, but the question is when and if you are willing to wait.

Matt G 11:52 PM - 21 March, 2007

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Now we all know that video is in the future, but If I owned this company and saw that NAMM demo video floating around on U Tube, I'd do everything I could to either cremate it or get one up there that reflected properly on my latest creation.
That demo is so fucked, it's sick.

What didn't you like about it?

PoorSSL 11:53 PM - 21 March, 2007

thank you mp3jrick

i am cancelling my membership as of today due to the numerous death threats i received from hardcore serato users and fans.

just kidding. have fun yo!

i'll be back once i'm an actual user of a decent technological product.

djtripp 12:05 AM - 22 March, 2007

(repost like PooSSl)

wow, i have to say that is the most ignorant post i've ever seen. Besides the fact you signed up for these boards just to berate a product you don't own, or plan on owning, just for the sake of doing it, is inconceivable. If you had poked around here a bit, or even had a friend who was into SSL you'd know it's changed by miles since 2004.

1. You don't need to have the crazy input ideas you have listed. I don't think i'd ever use one turntable and one cd player...ever.

2. See the videos on YouTube for the video update for the NEXT version of Serato. Yes, there is video this year. It's called R&D for a reason, you really want to put out a product like everyone else? I have a feeling Seratos laptop video mixing will surpase everyones expectations.

3. I've never had a problem with load times with SSL music. Your computer sucks.

4. I know i'm cooler when I play a remix I did. I don't need a computer to play it. How is editing music on a computer cheating? That's how everyone makes/produces music. Any CD you've bought in the last 10 years was edited on a computer. Unless your family is related to Nile Rodgers and you have to cup up 1" tape to make 12" mixes...your ideas are out of date.

5. Um, my Control Records are in bad shape, never clicked, popped or anything. And I don't think there are ANY SSL dj's that go out of there way to play 128 mp3's. Ever. Ass.

6. Again, we have updates all the time. This a redundant gripe. You're losing good argument points. Not that you have had any yet.

7. Now you've just become an ass on this one. Aren't you complaining on the same GAY forum we are? Does that mean you go to GAY bars to complain about why you don't like gay people?

8. We don't think we're taking over. I think you meant to put something here about how you're getting outspun in the clubs by people with the forethought to save themselves the hassle of lugging around 3 crates of records for ANOTHER 17 years. Like myself.

9. It's nothing like that. Funny, cause one night I hooked a mini cam up to show the screen of my laptop and people loved it. I guess you should really think about the fact that people embrace new things much easier than you. Maybe you need a hug. I know a good gay bar for that too.

10. Nobody wants you to convert. In fact when you are in the club and no one is dancing to the same dj mix you've been doing for the last 6 months because you can't do fun things to the song on the fly, and your vinyl melts in your car cause you were in the music shop getting your new hot ass trackmaster needles and complaining about SSL to the clerk, and you get a call from your club owner saying he wants to hire someone who has some fresh ideas about where to take music and video this year, and some guy is hitting on your girl cause it takes three trips to the car for all your record crate...and she takes his number...I won't ever tell you you should convert.

Tripp

p.s.

I have been using 350 gigs across 1 laptop and 2 external HDDs.
0 failure, not one freeze-up. Not even a hiccup.

How many programs are you using that never fail?

CD players freeze. records skip. And DJ's can suck.

So tell me...what is the perfect medium? Hmm? There's no answer. To each his own. I don't tell you how much I hate your mixmeister pro premade dj sets, so don't tell me how much you hate my DJ tool that helps put our talents leagues above yours. Because in the end, you have not said anything here every one of us thought before we bought it. We're not trying to change your mind. But if you're here, be respectful and make REAL comments that make sense before you decide to chime in. You only make yourself look like an ass. And this is a forum for SUPPORTERS of this software. If you hate SSL so much, you should start your own Forum on your own site.

T-

Dj KaGeN 12:22 AM - 22 March, 2007

Bravo -- Bravo

Edouard 12:24 AM - 22 March, 2007

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3. Having all the songs on 1 hard drive makes Serato, and the system itself generally slow causing lag and horrible results.
Don't think having a Mac notebook solves this problem, it happens on ALL computers. It's called fragmentation. Don't be a
cocky non-IT compliant DJ operating a laptop.

Just addressing the technical issues - you can have songs on external drives. Everyone here knows that.

And Mac OS X automatically defragments the files you use, so you almost never get the situation you get on Win2k and XP where the hard drive gets extremely fragmented.

Even with a fragmented drive, the data rate it can read is around 10 megabytes per second (very roughly, on a laptop) whereas two 320kpbs MP3 streams add up to less than 100 kilobytes per second. And, on top of that, Scratch LIVE buffers the audio for scratching, looping, backspinning etc, as well.

sixxx 12:29 AM - 22 March, 2007

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3. Having all the songs on 1 hard drive makes Serato, and the system itself generally slow causing lag and horrible results.
Don't think having a Mac notebook solves this problem, it happens on ALL computers. It's called fragmentation. Don't be a
cocky non-IT compliant DJ operating a laptop.

Just addressing the technical issues - you can have songs on external drives. Everyone here knows that.

And Mac OS X automatically defragments the files you use, so you almost never get the situation you get on Win2k and XP where the hard drive gets extremely fragmented.

Even with a fragmented drive, the data rate it can read is around 10 megabytes per second (very roughly, on a laptop) whereas two 320kpbs MP3 streams add up to less than 100 kilobytes per second. And, on top of that, Scratch LIVE buffers the audio for scratching, looping, backspinning etc, as well.

More proof that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
I've used my external firewire HD since I started using SSL and have NEVER had a problem. Good job Edouard.

De LA 1:29 AM - 22 March, 2007

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i didn't say that i didn't like. i like the concept. it's just SSL lacks ingenuity and is behind on technology. out of no where you come from, try reading the posts before you reply.

Try Owning the software before you knock its simplicity on the products forums.

But on a less- argumentive note: Serato not having video isnt a big deal yet. Most bars/clubs arent set up right for VJing anyways. Video mixing is like flare for dj's. I dont want people watching TV while I mix, I want them dancing, talking and acting a fool with thier friends while they LISTEN to good music...

Also out of curiosity, what program is out there that offers everything you want, or at least what you stated in your first post?

Julls 1:50 AM - 22 March, 2007

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Also out of curiosity, what program is out there that offers everything you want, or at least what you stated in your first post?

PCDJ...lol

djtripp 2:01 AM - 22 March, 2007

with a Hercules Controller? ;)

eder 3:31 AM - 22 March, 2007

I really like how this idiot says he wants features and SSL lacks "effects and shit" but then he spins with 1200s...last time i checked, my 1200s don't have echo built in. but my efx-1000 does...

this one's for you, poo-

i11.photobucket.com

Julls 3:31 AM - 22 March, 2007

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I really like how this idiot says he wants features and SSL lacks "effects and shit" but then he spins with 1200s...last time i checked, my 1200s don't have echo built in. but my efx-1000 does...

this one's for you, poo-

i11.photobucket.com

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Panic City 3:53 AM - 22 March, 2007

he is just mad he bought torq

vidoona 4:24 AM - 22 March, 2007

Don't like SSL? Don't use it. Don't like our "gay" forums? Go bitch somewhere else. You're pathetic.

Releaux 4:37 AM - 22 March, 2007

Nik39 wrote:

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Is there an agreement you have to sign when you buy SSL : "YOU HEREBY DECLARE THAT YOU NEVER USE VINYL AGAIN"?

You didn't have to sign that one? I had to fax mine in before I got the authorization code that let the software see the hardware.

Damn. Maybe I shouldn't have put that collection of Beatles records through the shredder...

kev_the_dj 5:00 AM - 22 March, 2007

Then code your own Serato.

No one is forcing you to use it, and if you have to use it and still don't like it, then code your own version of Serato.

DJ Jinnai 7:42 AM - 22 March, 2007

Too funny.

DjKboogie 8:53 AM - 22 March, 2007

Get the popcorn out. Movie of the year here

DJ GaFFle 2:18 PM - 22 March, 2007

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10. Nobody wants you to convert. In fact when you are in the club and no one is dancing to the same dj mix you've been doing for the last 6 months because you can't do fun things to the song on the fly, and your vinyl melts in your car cause you were in the music shop getting your new hot ass trackmaster needles and complaining about SSL to the clerk, and you get a call from your club owner saying he wants to hire someone who has some fresh ideas about where to take music and video this year, and some guy is hitting on your girl cause it takes three trips to the car for all your record crate...and she takes his number...I won't ever tell you you should convert.

Lolol...Now those are some f-cked up scenarios.

Boogie Down Martin 2:22 PM - 22 March, 2007

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since ssl is based on technology, i'm utterly disappointed.

You're really deep dude! Maybe that's why nobody here understands you... LOL

typerel 2:41 PM - 22 March, 2007

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when you add a computer to the factor, one would think of amazing things and it's capabilities. SSL lacks it. I personally would rather use a laptop to Record live mixes, edit tracks, or create remixes. Something a laptop should be more used for.

why doesn't some company just come up with a device that interfaces directly with an external hard drive and a CD-J. Think about the cassette tape to CD convertor for your car. Only it's a hard drive to CD convertor for the CD-J. Have the CD-J control and manipulate all the MP3 files directly from the hard drive without any control cd or laptop. it'd be practically the same things as SSL except more stable because you don't have to worry about the computer crashing on you. It's more practical because you're not trying to make analog and digital worlds clash like Rane seems do so well.

Whatever dudes, SSL is just a fad because I predict newer technology will take over.

2 words...Numark HDX

www.numark.com

done and done

Boogie Down Martin 2:48 PM - 22 March, 2007

Hmm, maybe that was a bit harsh... But seriously, you seem not to know a lot about computers, thats what makes you afraid to use them, and your reaction is trying to ignore them.

As a general advice for your life: Ignorance can seriously hurt you in the long term. Buy a book or read magazines or whatever but get computer savvy. And don't be ignorant (about anything). Otherwise chances are you fuck up - not only your DJ career.

Another general advice: When you bitch too much in your life people will think you're bitter and don't want have anything to do with you. And without the help of others - again - chances are you fuck up.

You came to this forum, you got bashed, it probably did hurt, now at least learn something from it.

Rick Hodgkins 3:24 PM - 22 March, 2007

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What didn't you like about it?

Watch www.youtube.com

Hi Matt,

The first half is wasted, initial audio out of sync and then drops out/in and the tracks are not in sync 'till 1/2 way through. IMHO not the best foot forward.

BTW, was that on a mac or a bootcamp/xp mac?

It might generate more interest to see more blending of the videos, with scratching as an effect not the main focus.

Watch www.youtube.com
This one does nothing for me.

The guys that really inspired me with video mixing were Roonie G and 2nd Nature. Their bag of tricks run pretty deep and always keeping your interest in what's coming next.
There are many others also.

Don't wish to send the wrong vibe being too critical on this, but I was personally curious to see what SSL was bringing to the table and came away wondering instead of convinced.

Hope to see more in the future, you have some talent in this forum.
For video, my money is on Aaron.

PoorSSL 5:37 PM - 22 March, 2007

so there may not be something close to the features i want out there as of now, but I'm saying the technology is already out there and there's no need to incorporate a laptop to do these things. another thing that pisses me off is how Rane makes you buy control records and use analog equipment to produce a digital sound. that shit just doesn't make sense. its like goin to the music store and buying a trumpet but when you play it, it sounds like a synthesizer. that's insulting.

i don't care what you guys think about my bitching. it's a free forum, people bitch. if people don't bitch, nothing gets done. if people don't provide input on their opinions, no one gets heard.

if any of you people read my shit, i said i'm not buying SSL because it's not up to par after the 3 years it's been out. it may be a solid product and better than any of it's kind but to me it's not worth getting when there are too many factors involved to operate the stupid thing.

Numark HDX. Numark may not be the best quality company, but they certainly have the right idea. At least it's practical and has unique technology. SSL doesn't build upon that. SSL only enables an interface to software programs that have already been out for years--a simple sound card that enables you to manipulate MP3 files on your computer using existing DJ equipment. The least they can do is add special features that make it stand out even more than whats already out there. I don't see why you guys think this simple technology is so amazing and why you are so protective over it. Let me warn you guys again, something is going to come out, WAY better and WAY easier to use, and you'll be regretting it.

djtripp 5:48 PM - 22 March, 2007

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Rane makes you buy control records and use analog equipment to produce a digital sound. that shit just doesn't make sense. its like goin to the music store and buying a trumpet but when you play it, it sounds like a synthesizer. that's insulting.

REALLY?!?!?! Are you serious??? Cause there's something called INTERNAL mode and you don't need to use ANYTHING but your keyboard to DJ.

Obviously you know nothing at all about this product. Why don't you just walk into this forum and say,

"Hey everyone! I suck and can't figure stuff out! So I'm MAD! I'm gonna call you GAY! And then I will talk out of my A$$ for 3 days about something i've never used or even touched! Then you can tell me about all it's features but I still don't care and I will be MAD!"

Thats about how you look Poo.

nik39 5:50 PM - 22 March, 2007

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another thing that pisses me off is how Rane makes you buy control records and use analog equipment to produce a digital sound. that shit just doesn't make sense

Seriously... how ignorant are you?!

People WANT that stuff. There are alternatives - CDJ's, Midi controller etc. But DJs WANT to use analog equipment.

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i don't care what you guys think about my bitching.

You are trolling, not bitching.

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if people don't provide input on their opinions, no one gets heard.

Valid point. But why would you go to a companys website who produces toasters and you complain why you cant brush your teeth with the toaster? You complain how everyone wants to brush his teeth. Anyone who wants to brush his teeth can go and buy a different product. Are you seriously making the company responsible for that decision.

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if any of you people read my shit, i said i'm not buying SSL because it's not up to par after the 3 years it's been out.

Good decision. If its not what you are looking for - move on. ScratchLIVE was never built to be a midi controller. It gives you what it was designed at first - pure vinyl emulation. It does a great job on that.

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Numark HDX. Numark may not be the best quality company, but they certainly have the right idea.

Great. Do you need a link to a shop which sells Numark?

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SSL only enables an interface to software programs that have already been out for years--a simple sound card that enables you to manipulate MP3 files on your computer using existing DJ equipment.

If you are a DJ and were using vinyl, and were using it to the extent - then you know ScratchLIVE was the first application which made vinyl emulation feel so real. Its not perfect, but it comes close to it, and IMHO (I've tried various products, I own even a couple of them) it is the best in that area.

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Let me warn you guys again, something is going to come out, WAY better and WAY easier to use, and you'll be regretting it.

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Why should we regret it? If there is something better I can switch whenever I like. Put my SSL on ebay, and I am done. That easy. Isn't it?

Right now, it is the best vinyl emulation product for me. Maybe in 10 years it will not be anymore. So what? Does that mean I should NOT buy ScratchLIVE? I will switch product then. All my audio files will move along (except for the bound-to-scratchlive-"whitelabel.net"-audio files) with me.
Right now ScratchLIVE gives a good value for the money.

PoorSSL 5:55 PM - 22 March, 2007

cuz you've spent your life savings on shit that you don't need for live performances. video mixing may not be appropriate in certain venues I agree, but do people want to see a DJ on a laptop all the time? they might as well think a mixmeister pro premade mix is playing instead of an actual performer.

Dj KaGeN 6:00 PM - 22 March, 2007

last time I checked, at a CLUB - people really do not give a flying F how the music is being played - they want to dance - drink and get laid..

As for my life savings... I get NEW FREE MUSIC all the time, legaly I might add. Similar to the way a vinyl record pool was. The format is lighter weight, easy to store, never wears out, will never warp. And I do not fear failures in my equipment anymore than I fear a TT going bad or a CD skipping. Grow up.

DJ Jinnai 6:05 PM - 22 March, 2007

Fighting a fight that you cannot win...beautiful.

nik39 6:15 PM - 22 March, 2007

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cuz you've spent your life savings on shit that you don't need for live performances.

Whats your point? Didn't you read what I wrote? I am not married to ScratchLIVE. Even if I was, I could get divorced, and sell her if I like ;)

If the price for ScratchLIVE is your "life savings" - then you must be doing something wrong. ScratchLIVE is not geared specially towards bedroom DJ's. It's been developed for professionals. Professionals earn money. The money for ScratchLIVE pays back quite quickly. Just rememeber how much time you save by not lugging around crates of records. Time is money. Think about how much you save by not paying for overfreight if you travel with your vinyl crates.
And if you seriously cant afford it - all good. I don't have the money for a Mercedes 300SL either - I will go with a cheaper car, which might not give the same performance, but I can live with that.
ScratchLIVE's intention never was to be the cheapest on the market.

I dont know what you are fighting for. It seems like (to keep up the analogy) you want a toot brush, not a toaster. Why bother about the toaster then? Go and buy the tooth brush (aka Numark HDX or whatever). It's all good.

DJ RECKONIZE 6:46 PM - 22 March, 2007

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last time I checked, at a CLUB - people really do not give a flying F how the music is being played - they want to dance - drink and get laid..

As for my life savings... I get NEW FREE MUSIC all the time, legaly I might add. Similar to the way a vinyl record pool was. The format is lighter weight, easy to store, never wears out, will never warp. And I do not fear failures in my equipment anymore than I fear a TT going bad or a CD skipping. Grow up.

Word up Brotha man! I couldn't have said better.

PoorSSL 6:46 PM - 22 March, 2007

if its designed for professionals, why is it using a cheap ass control record and the aide of a laptop. reiterating the fact that laptops have way more capabilities these days than just manipulating MP3s in real time. Besides that, some environments do not welcome Serato btw. Some clubs don't want you to fuck with their equipment setting up Serato. Rane is out there to steal your money and you are fools for joining the hype.

i'm not fighting for nothing, i'm just laughing at you fools for acting like Serato will be the equipment that DJ's use forever. sure SOME people don't care to see DJ's on a laptop, but I do. I also care about the quality of the sound. If I wanted to hear MP3's play all night, I'd listen to my iPoo'd.

PoorSSL 7:02 PM - 22 March, 2007

you know for $500-$700 the cost of Serato, it might as well be a laptop itself. why didn't they just incorporate the software in the Serato BOX and have a touch screen to it so you can select your mp3s from an external drive connected to it via USB/Firewire. Rane wants to charge for the software for Macs and PCs because they know that they can make money in the software market at the same time they steal your money with control records. Think about it, it so could have been engineered differently and to my liking but it's not because they love that money.

eder 7:04 PM - 22 March, 2007

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cuz you've spent your life savings on shit that you don't need for live performances. video mixing may not be appropriate in certain venues I agree, but do people want to see a DJ on a laptop all the time? they might as well think a mixmeister pro premade mix is playing instead of an actual performer.

You DO know that one can spin an ENTIRE SET with SSL and NEVER look at the laptop, correct? I really like how you come out with all of these bashes on "shit that's wrong" when you have no idea how it works.

Also, yes there are programs out there that have more "features" and other shit you're looking for (midi, video, built-in-effects). I own quite a few of them. But the main difference between SSL and the rest is that SSL is RELIABLE. The core of the software is built like a tank. I prefer quality over quantity. It doesn't crash, there is never any noticeable lag, and it now has master tempo, the only "effect" i would ever need. I'm a DJ. If I want to use effects, I'll do it with my efx-1000 or my hands. That's what I get paid to do.

As for your part about how seeing a DJ using a laptop "kills" the club- when CDJs came out, were you hating them, too, saying "He's just using fake turntables"? When Effect Units came out, were you thinking, "Man this DJ sucks, all he does is flip a switch to make shit sound cool." Most likely not.

The purpose of SSL is true vinyl emulation. That's all it is. It's not some miracle "you can now rock sets like a pimp" product like they sell in the Ms. New Booty video.

Funny you say life savings...if $540 is your life savings, I'd say you're younger than smoothe. $540 is a bad night for most of us here, so I guess i could call that my "night savings" instead.

I really like how you'll think we'll be "regretting" the next big thing. Have you ever bought equipment and then upgraded later? Bought a computer only to replace it 2, 3, 4 years down the road? Did you REGRET buying the first computer? NO! Once you had your full use of it, you replaced it with the next big thing. Yes technology is always changing and yes, someday there will probably be a product that kicks scratchlive's ass. But this is the best we have right now. So we rock it.

nik39 7:06 PM - 22 March, 2007

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if its designed for professionals, why is it using a cheap ass control record

What part of "People WANT that stuff. There are alternatives - CDJ's, Midi controller etc. But DJs WANT to use analog equipment." dont you understand?

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the aide of a laptop. reiterating the fact that laptops have way more capabilities these days than just manipulating MP3s in real time.

Professional still involves sticking within affordable price ranges. A selfmade computer would cost a looot more, a lot more (incl. all the R&D costs etc). That makes no sense.

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Besides that, some environments do not welcome Serato btw. Some clubs don't want you to fuck with their equipment setting up Serato.

Then don't use ScratchLIVE (the product is called ScratchLIVE, not Serato. Serato is the company's name - do you call your TV "JVC"?)

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Rane is out there to steal your money and you are fools for joining the hype.

Any company out there wants your money, that is how economics/capitalism works. Show me one company how gives you all the stuff for free - and survives.

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i'm not fighting for nothing, i'm just laughing at you fools for acting like Serato will be the equipment that DJ's use forever. s

People are laughing at you b/c of your stupid 'arguements'. No one said that ScratchLIVE will be there forever. If you can read, you would have noticed that I've mentioned this before.

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sure SOME people don't care to see DJ's on a laptop, but I do.

That's your opinion, no one says that you can't think that way. Next time you are bothered with a DJ using ScratchLIVE in the club - go and tell him. Don't post here, cause no one really cares.

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I also care about the quality of the sound.

Ryte. So you are using CD players to get the best and cleanest sound, I hope.

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If I wanted to hear MP3's play all night, I'd listen to my iPoo'd.

No one forces you to play MP3's. You can play uncompressed audio formats like .wav/.aiff. And again.. Next time you are bothered with a DJ using mp3's in the club - go and tell him. Don't post here, cause no one really cares.

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I really like how you'll think we'll be "regretting" the next big thing. Have you ever bought equipment and then upgraded later? Bought a computer only to replace it 2, 3, 4 years down the road? Did you REGRET buying the first computer? NO! Once you had your full use of it, you replaced it with the next big thing.

Word eder.

Pete Moss 7:10 PM - 22 March, 2007

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another thing that pisses me off is how Rane makes you buy control records and use analog equipment to produce a digital sound. that shit just doesn't make sense

The remote to your digital TV has analog buttons

A Digital mixer uses 'analog' faders

Anything mechanical, such as a keyboard, can technically be considered an analog device. BUT, you're initializing a digital action with it. These control records are may be analog, but they are the trigger to a digital response. You have obviously never used SSL, you would find them just as comfortable to use as vinyl itself. If you are so pro-digital, why strain your back carrying crates. I really don't understand your disposition; tell us what you want, not what you dislike.

JohnDP1 7:15 PM - 22 March, 2007

why don't we just ignore this poor wanker? I mean stating "we don't care" and then rapid firing replies to his statements is a paradox no?

PoorSSL 7:16 PM - 22 March, 2007

now you are getting into picking my verbage apart which is gay. i've heard people call scratchlive, serato more than they call it scratchlive. whatever dudes, you guys are hardcore Secure Socket Layer fans. why don't u guys work for them since you obviously think their technology is the best.

Dj KaGeN 7:16 PM - 22 March, 2007

[unsubscribe]

I just can't be bothered to assist in arguing with a numskull.

De LA 7:18 PM - 22 March, 2007

I really doubt that most of us can walk into a club and with out seeing the DJ booth tell what medium the DJ is spinning in right off the bat.

Serato doesnt make anyone buy control records. You can use the CD or internal one as well. But there are alot of Older DJ's who wont switch to CD's or dont want to just use a laptop to dj. They like the 1200's, the feel of vinyl and everything else about using Vinyl....except carying 100 records to a club.
so serato included a way for the old school people to enjoy their product. I love using the CD's with my Serato, but for fun ill use the vinyl at home when im practicing.
Technology isnt always better and you dont need to always keep up with it.
DJ's have been rocking clubs with out serato and efx for many years. As mediums change, so do the DJ's. Everything is moving to CD and MP3/WAV/ETC.. The DJ culture is going to move with it. Sure Vinyl is still around, but its getting harder and harder to find. Serato just offered a solid way to keep with the "flow" or distribution of music.

As far as having a lap top infront of you at a club, Ive never gotten any Shit for that. Everyone thats come up to my booth to see whats up/request a song is always facinated with the technology, even EX-DJ's in there 40's are taken back a sec but they still think its dope.

All in all, Id rather have a solid basic software that is a few steps behind technology over some flashy -un-reliable software with bells and whistles that I dont need.

Its like i tell my friends who sware by numark...there is a reason why Numark isnt stocked in most clubs. There is a reason why FS is dissapearing.There is a reason why you dont see many Gemini audio left. Yah that stuff may last years in a bedroom, but use it 3-7 days a week for 4-7 hours a night..it turns to dust.

There is a reason why almost every major club in New york, LA, Chicago, Miami..etc all stock Pioneer,Rane/Xone & Technics. Industry Standard and every WORKING DJ trusts it. Ill let Rane "steal" my money as long as they provide a reliable product. Ive been using SSL for 9 months in the clubs now and have had no problems. Even when I used it at 10 degree outdoor snowboarding event...flawless.

MusicMeister 7:20 PM - 22 March, 2007

I just want to point out one thing - the original poster said nothing about Torq. I'm a big fan of Torq (because I use it and yes, I catch hell for it everytime I mention it here) but while I think Serato may have lagged with regards to their innovation they're coming around fast.

And while samples and effects don't make a good dj, they are just additional tools a DJ may have at their disposal to enhance their ability to do their job.

The guy with a small tool box full of tools in his trunk might be able to fix your car, but the guy down the street with a lift and a garage full of tools may be able to do it just a little better (provided he knows how to use them). Serato, Torq, CDJ's, 1200's, mixers, etc are all tools we use to do our job as a DJ. I'll use anything I'm given to pull off a set, but if I don't have some tools I'll miss them when I don't have them.

And yes, I think the original poster is a troll... do not feed the trolls....

Why?

Cause while he thinks that Serato has been sucking since 2004, he's been sucking since birth... ;-)

Pete Moss 7:20 PM - 22 March, 2007

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why don't u guys work for them since you obviously think their technology is the best.

The same reason you don't work for Technics. I want the best available, and Rane/Serato/Scratchlive/SSL is the best DJ software/hardware solution out there. I agree that 1200's are the best tables out there, and that SSL is the best way to use them.

PoorSSL 7:26 PM - 22 March, 2007

everyone knows that vinyl produces the best sound over CDs and MP3s. What I don't like is how serato tries to force itself into the analog world only to produce a crappy digital sound. It's insulting to people. If Wolfgang A. Mozart was here, he'd be pretty disappointed at the direction of where musicians are going with their music these days--digital format.

i'd rather carry vinyl crates because i not only mind the workout, i appreciate the sound and i want my audience to hear only the best quality.

s42000 7:54 PM - 22 March, 2007

If Wolfgang A. Mozart was here, he would spank you.

I like records too.

And Serato TOO !!

DjSykes 7:57 PM - 22 March, 2007

Ignorance is bliss.....I agree don't feed the troll......

DJ Wen 8:09 PM - 22 March, 2007

"i'd rather carry vinyl crates because i not only mind the workout, i appreciate the sound and i want my audience to hear only the best quality"

For one...and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you play in front of more than 10 people in your bedroom, but if you're in a packed house there so many other variables to consider when it comes to good sound quality that (and I can say this with a pretty good degree of certainty) that not too many club patrons are going know the difference. There is a shitload of poor quality vinyl that sounds alot worse than a 128kb mp3 file. There are also shitty cables, mixers, speakers, EQs, and blown subwoofers that can fuck up even the purest recording.

Furthermore, the best thing about the technology available today, and I mean ALL of the technology, is that DJs now have more choices than ever. If you want to use iPods, mp3s, CDs, Vinyl, Software, or any combination fo the above, then we have options.

So with that said, to each his own man, if you want to carry crates of records then knock yourself out...If you don't know how use them better than someone on Serato, CDs, or iPods then
it still makes you the bitch...it's all null and void. Therefore this forum is the wrong place for your fuckin diatribe. Go tell the guys at Stanton how messed up their shit is, they've been suckin for a lot longer.

If something better than Serato comes along, we'll all be waitin on it.

typerel 8:09 PM - 22 March, 2007

If Wolfgang A. Mozart were here, he would be wondering why nobody wore powdered wigs anymore.

Thundercat 8:16 PM - 22 March, 2007

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There is a shitload of poor quality vinyl that sounds alot worse than a 128kb mp3 file.

Oh my yes yes! Especially old school hip-hop. Some of the stuff I have been ripping lately has some of the most HORRID sound mastering. *shudder*

diego vega 8:28 PM - 22 March, 2007

STOP REPLYING PEOPLE! THANKS!

HittinSkinzTa2 8:30 PM - 22 March, 2007

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There is a shitload of poor quality vinyl that sounds alot worse than a 128kb mp3 file.

Oh my yes yes! Especially old school hip-hop. Some of the stuff I have been ripping lately has some of the most HORRID sound mastering. *shudder*

Totally agree. Unless it was mastered by Herb Powers... pretty much anything back in the day sounded like shit.

nik39 8:38 PM - 22 March, 2007

*unsubscribing*

PoorSSL 8:38 PM - 22 March, 2007

to those dj's that use serato as a tool in the toolbox, i forgive you. i only admire those dj's who have a background in collecting vinyl and know what hard work it takes to DJ. to those vinyl dj's that convert their records for use with Serato, you're even more admired by me. at least you're maximizing the best quality sound you can get in a mp3 file.

for those who think serato is going to take over and it's the only thing that will be played anywhere, i don't respect you. for those who think serato is better because it's equivalent to having 100 crates of vinyl, get real. No one's going to play 100 crates of music at a time, ever.

Otherwise i still believe serato is still behind on technology regardless of what it can do reliably now. a laptop never should have been incorporated, and since it was, there should have been video mixing capabilities built-in before they released it. There are too many factors that can ruin a live performance using SSL and so I don't want to invest in it. Serato may be the industry standard for software/hardware mixing, but it's not THE industry standard. Otherwise you would see ALL clubs and venues have Serato boxes built-in. It's a trend. I predict it will be replaced by something more simple and easier to use.

Convenience is there but you still need a laptop, turntables/cd-js, and SSL. It would be even more convenient if all of these devices were combined into one.

This is all I have to say. Feel me or not, I don't care. Protect your investment, play it out, masturbate to it. Just know that it won't last much longer.

Pete Moss 8:55 PM - 22 March, 2007

SSL USERS

OK - which one of you clowns signed up a new account as this guy? This has got to be an internal prank. No troll has ever endured like this.

Mods-It would be funny if you could lock this out for everyone but PoorSSL so he would think noone wants to respond.

dj hes 8:57 PM - 22 March, 2007

dude, your point is made. oh wait.... NO ITS NOT! haha. SSL is dope. I like being able to check my myspace and dj at the same time.

DJ Jinnai 9:31 PM - 22 March, 2007

Hahahahaha

DJ Sir.Cumference 9:32 PM - 22 March, 2007

I think this child is upset because he didn't come up with the idea of SSL first. Second, as long as 1200s are used so will SSL, so PoorSSL's point of technics 1200's longevity is most certainly moot.

DJ GaFFle 9:33 PM - 22 March, 2007

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SSL USERS

OK - which one of you clowns signed up a new account as this guy? This has got to be an internal prank. No troll has ever endured like this.

Mods-It would be funny if you could lock this out for everyone but PoorSSL so he would think noone wants to respond.

Lolol...[Serato] check your logs and get his/her IP.

Cross-reference it to past logs and catch this perp with his pants down. I think it's Chirpflare revisited...

DJ GaFFle 9:35 PM - 22 March, 2007

I'm interested in seeing if this thread's count will reach that of the serato-setup picture thread.

akaider 9:49 PM - 22 March, 2007

serato: 'killing the dj coulture'

LOL

sixxx 9:58 PM - 22 March, 2007

I bought SSL ONLY because of my ability to use it with my Technics 1200's. That's it. Nothing more. I didn't buy it because you can do certain things that you can't do with the 1200's. I use absolute mode 99% of the time. Does that make me a better DJ? Nope. It just works for me that way and that's the way I like it.

Now you mention that Numarks can do that alone. Well, I had ONE CDJ... the CDX's... they sucked. Nothing but problems for me. Now, Numark came out with the HDX's.... They still have problems AND THEY STILL DON'T OFFER ME WHAT I NEED ----> The ability to use my 1200's which is ultimately, what I want.

Not to mention the price of the HDX's!!!! You buy 2 of them? Wow. Might as well buy a laptop and SSL and keep your current turntables. Not only are they not what I want, but it's easier to find, search and play songs with SSL than with the HDX's... and I know this BECAUSE MY PARTNER from 2illegalaliens.com has them and uses them AND I'VE USED THEM. Not because I HEARD or because I think that's how they are.

All I'm saying is that SSL works for me the way they are. If it didn't, I'd still be playing just vinyl and nothing more. I'll never give up my 1200's for some cheap ass controller or midi or whatever the fuck technology comes out with. That's not for me.

The problem with you PoorSSL is that you don't research before you talk or post. There are a lot of points that you tried to made that were ... well, basically pointless.

Anyway, back to the tedious task of ripping vinyl.

sixxx 9:59 PM - 22 March, 2007

Oh yeah, and one more thing. I don't give a flying fuck if you respect me or not because I've got thousands of vinyl, or because I dig. I don't get respect on this board. I get respect where it matters. The streets.

Thundercat 10:05 PM - 22 March, 2007

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I don't get respect on this board. I get respect where it matters. The streets.

Sorry sixx, I just giggled my ass off. Say that out loud. It sounded like it could have been Mario Van Peebles straight out of New Jack City. LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

scotty B 10:21 PM - 22 March, 2007

Quote:

I don't get respect on this board. I get respect where it matters. The streets.

Sorry sixx, I just giggled my ass off. Say that out loud. It sounded like it could have been Mario Van Peebles straight out of New Jack City. LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Or a quote form the K-Fed album. LOL.. But as most of us know sixxx is the real Deal.

eder 10:54 PM - 22 March, 2007

*unsubscribe*, b'yatch.

Matt G 11:08 PM - 22 March, 2007

Quote:

BTW, was that on a mac or a bootcamp/xp mac?

We demoed the alpha of our video app on a Mac running OS X. The final product will run on both Macs and PCs. All our apps are developed cross platform.

vidoona 11:17 PM - 22 March, 2007

PoorSSL, you are the single most ignorant, underinformed, and hubris ass I've ever seen on this forum. Let me reiterate: If you don't like SSL, take your pithy bitching somewhere else. You've already stated that SSL isn't for you, so why waste your time? Jesus, you're like the f-ing kid who spends all day in a Dairy Queen bitching because they don't sell Baskin Robbins ice cream.

PoorSSL 11:26 PM - 22 March, 2007

if i give in a buy serato do i become assholes and think i'm the shit like you all? u guys want me off this shit so bad why dont u give me instructions on how to unsubscribe cuz i dont see it anywhere on this site.

PoorSSL 11:27 PM - 22 March, 2007

cry babies can't handle a lil feedback on the product that u use every day and worship every day..pussies

PoorSSL 11:29 PM - 22 March, 2007

calling me ignorant when u reply with the same shit over n over..it's 100 to 1 and i dont give a damn. moderators, GOD..unsubscribe me.. delete this account..this place is for retards

CMS 11:30 PM - 22 March, 2007

Right above where you are typing your comments there is an "Unsubscribe from this discussion" link. I don't know if you can view is though since you started the discussion.

Matt G 11:32 PM - 22 March, 2007

Quote:

if i give in a buy serato do i become assholes and think i'm the shit like you all? u guys want me off this shit so bad why dont u give me instructions on how to unsubscribe cuz i dont see it anywhere on this site.

PoorSSL, if you don't want to have a discussion thread kept in your "Tracked discussions" then you can press "Unsubscribe from this discussion" at the bottom of the discussion's page. Other than that, it's up to you whether you visit the site or not.

Rick Hodgkins 11:32 PM - 22 March, 2007

Matt,
Thats quite an achievement.
I'm hearing some horror stories about MACs and video output.
Vista is doing remarkable things with video breathing new relief into laptop (pc) video possibilities.
Video cards have been pooly managed with xp, but it's a new day.

Hey......lets hyjack this thread and talk about something else.

Man I got an AVI of Fergie - Glamorous today that is 77mb and looks better than vob.
Don't know what the hell they did, but it looks pissa.

dj disturbed 11:36 PM - 22 March, 2007

A good quality AVI will look beter then VOB.... i can encode HD AVI"S and burn it to a dvd right now if i want and play it in a dvd my dvd player that does not support hd /blueray DVD's right now if i want and it looks sweeeeeeeet.... also remember.. just b/c it might not look good onyour computer does not mean it wont look good on a regular TV b/c alot of the vid codecs are made to look good on TV's not computers (well the onesi have used like AVI and VCD/SVCD

vidoona 11:37 PM - 22 March, 2007

Quote:

cry babies can't handle a lil feedback on the product that u use every day and worship every day..pussies

Feedback is constructive and helpful. Making suggestions on improving the product is feedback. Denouncing it completely like you do is mere complaining and you're not helping improve anything.

dj disturbed 11:38 PM - 22 March, 2007

Quote:

Matt,
Thats quite an achievement.
I'm hearing some horror stories about MACs and video output.
Vista is doing remarkable things with video breathing new relief into laptop (pc) video possibilities.
Video cards have been pooly managed with xp, but it's a new day.

BTW i have heard the macs are great for vid... like i have said in alot of other post/forums.. there is a reason why alot of movie/audio studios use macs

Rick Hodgkins 11:41 PM - 22 March, 2007

My test is to throw it up on a projection screen, that seems to be the threshold for good or bad quality.
This shit looks like HD in quality.
What does it take to rip this kind of quality.
If its a codec purchase, i'm in.

Closing in on 2tb of video and need to slim it down or i'll be carrying crates of drives, lol...
I'm hooked and can't say no, feel like I got a weight problem and can't stop eating...

dj disturbed 11:46 PM - 22 March, 2007

i use Toast (on mac) and it has AVI encoding capabilities is many diff quality types...
quoted from the manual

Quote:

Home Theater is appropriate for most DivX players.
Choose High Definition only if your source video is in high definition
(such as an iMovie HD project) and if have a DivX HD-capable player,
or intend to watch the disc on your Macintosh or Windows computer.

and they support all 3 diff HD formats

dj disturbed 11:48 PM - 22 March, 2007

thats for buring to CD/DVD and i can also use it to convert my vids right on my computer.. it can convert to
■ DV: Creates a standard definition DV file that can be used with
iDVD and iMovie.
■ DV 16:9: Creates a widescreen DV file that can be imported into
iMovie HD, Final Cut Pro or Express.
■ HDV 720p: Creates a high definition DV file for use in iMovie
HD, or Final Cut HD projects. Recommended if your content is
HD 720p.
■ HDV 1080i: Creates a high definition DV file for use in iMovie
HD, or Final Cut HD projects. Recommended if your content is
HD 1080i.
■ QuickTime Movie: Offers full access to all possible QuickTime
codecs, selected from the Options... button.
■ MPEG-4: Creates an MPEG-4 file using Apple’s MPEG-4 codec.
Recommended for converting to lower resolutions and for
streaming applications.
■ H.264: Creates an MPEG-4 Advanced Video codec file using
Apple’s H.264 codec, offering high quality at lower bitrates.
Roxio Toast 8 User Guide
www.roxio.com 116
■ 3G: Creates an MPEG-4 file using Apple’s 3GPP codec.
Recommended for playback on portable and handheld devices
such as mobile phones.
■ DivX: Creates a DivX AVI file, offering high quality and low
storage requirements. Recommended for portable DivX players.
■For iPod: Creates an MPEG-4 Advanced Video Codec file using
Apple’s H.264 for use with your iPod.
■ For PSP: Creates an MPEG-4 file formatted for playback on the
PSP (PlayStation Portable). See Exporting Video to the PSP™ on
page 116.
■ For iTunes: Extracts the audio portion of the video and creates
an M4A audio file for use in iTunes.
■ Ogg Vorbis: Extracts the audio portion of the video and creates
an OGG audio file.

sixxx 12:14 AM - 23 March, 2007

I don't care if you PoorSSL stay on the board or not. I love criticism and all the other BS that comes with it. I just find it hard to believe that you would start a discussion with points that aren't valid.

It's as if you told Honda/Nissan/Toyota owners that their cars wouldn't last more than 1 year without having never owned one.

Rick Hodgkins 12:14 AM - 23 March, 2007

Well I gotta pursue this more and find a PC solution.

dj disturbed 12:19 AM - 23 March, 2007

i think Toast makes a PC app to... they are the soame ones who make EASY CD CREATOR on PC www.Roxio.com

dj disturbed 12:20 AM - 23 March, 2007

www.roxio.com thats there PC video page

DJ Jinnai 9:13 AM - 23 March, 2007

Yawn, so what's for dinner tonight guys?

Rick Hodgkins 9:51 AM - 23 March, 2007

Burrrrp...you missed dinner Jinnai

Everyone had Roast Duckling Le Pourssl De Cremme
Anybody need a tooth pic or want to see the dessert menu?

Thanks Dstrbd, I clicked that Roxio link after my post last night.
Will give that a spin, if there are any particular settings you like help me out.
Had any luck with batch ripping/formatting with this?
Gonna suck to do one file at a time.
All of my vobs are in the original folder/disc structure.

Thanks for the help
R

s42000 4:38 PM - 23 March, 2007

For dinner we had fungus and molluscs ....

also known otherwise as clam chowder soup with mushrooms.

Dj ChuckFader 6:27 PM - 23 March, 2007

PoorSSL reminds me of the Geico commercial caveman.......

dj disturbed 6:28 PM - 23 March, 2007

Quote:

PoorSSL reminds me of the Geico commercial caveman.......

you know they are gettng there own sitcom

Dj ChuckFader 6:40 PM - 23 March, 2007

no I didnt know, I wouldnt be surprised if PoorSSl is the main character....

s42000 6:41 PM - 23 March, 2007

If 'that 70's show' survived, I think a caveman show will be cool.

Maybe we'll get to see cavemen ... and women do the nasty ... CAVE STYLE !!

dj disturbed 6:49 PM - 23 March, 2007

lol

shiestO! 6:52 PM - 23 March, 2007

Quote:

3. trying to shed some light so people don't fall into the trend of Rane taking their money for every improvement that comes out.
You GO NOW I made this shit

hey man... the updates are free. whatchutalkinaboot?

maybe i missed something. have a good day tho srsly.

dj dawn 8:35 PM - 23 March, 2007

This was a long thread to read...puh :-D

sweetL 11:13 PM - 23 March, 2007

yawhn

society 2:56 AM - 24 March, 2007

Man, I can't believe a thread like this made it this far without anyone getting banned. That's gotta be a record or something.

smoothe 4:53 AM - 24 March, 2007

Why are we fighting with this poor soul?
He DOESN'T no the potential of this wonderful product and how it runs perfectly and NEVER CRASHES!! All I have to say to you is go find someware to be a nlb (negitive little bitch)!!!!!!
PLEASE! We don't want to read your invalid drawn out post anymore, because frankly it's pointless, your arguments are waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of line, and, you don't know what you are talking about!
I mean you became a member when? HMMM? Like 21? or 20? just to put down us users of SSL? come on! I don't know! I don't pay attention to fools like you!
So, poo poo SSL be a nlb someware else!
*Sigh* *Get the popcorn* Why do I envision you as like a 10yrs old?
Oh yes, you are totally wrong on the 1200s! They are not a fad! I mean come on
*This is fun smile* LOL!!!

smoothe 4:57 AM - 24 March, 2007

I am really supprised you haven't got banned

HittinSkinzTa2 5:00 AM - 24 March, 2007

You tell 'em smoothe!

DJ Jinnai 5:30 AM - 24 March, 2007

So back to dinner.... :D

mister iLL 5:34 AM - 24 March, 2007

"sucking since 2004 - smoothe's revenge"

DJMark 5:50 AM - 24 March, 2007

The thread title keeps reminding me of this album: www.amazon.com

Dj Cassidy 6:12 AM - 24 March, 2007

get em' smoothe

ejayian 5:50 PM - 24 March, 2007

I have some serato control records for sale, asking 1 million dollars each

ejayian 5:50 PM - 24 March, 2007

Quote:

I have some serato control records for sale, asking 1 million dollars each

selling is not permited in these forums so maybe this thread should be locked

DJ Angel C. 6:16 PM - 24 March, 2007

PoorSSL, yeap, you've got your name right - POOR. I bet you are poor. That is why you are knocking SSL. Can't afford it. Aww! Too bad! I bet you had a hard time converting from 8 track to cassette, from cassette to cd. Mr. Vinyl are you? Hmmm, that's funny, I've never heard of you. I dont think DJ Jazzy Jeff, nor DJ A-Trak, nor DJ A.M., and the list goes on... have either. The best part about all the shit you wrote is that you are actually considering buying and using a unit. Why? Hipocrate maybe? Why are you even on this forum? You've just shot yourself in the foot! I bet you are fat, poor, can't DJ, and dont have a girlfriend, and you probably are some type of IT nerd that watches porn, while watching the server at your job! Dude, you are soooooo gay!

nik39 7:22 PM - 24 March, 2007

Quote:

you probably are some type of IT nerd that watches porn, while watching the server at your job! Dude, you are soooooo gay!

Hey! Whats wrong with either of those?!

nik39 7:24 PM - 24 March, 2007

Snap... I thought I've unsubscribed from this thread. ;)

dj dawn 8:45 PM - 24 March, 2007

I think this thread was all about trying to get the award-for-longest-thread-ever ;-)

...so I suggest we all stop responding to this shit! We all know what we like with SSL

DJ Jinnai 12:36 AM - 25 March, 2007

Quote:

you probably are some type of IT nerd that watches porn, while watching the server at your job! Dude, you are soooooo gay!

Hey! Whats wrong with either of those?!

IT people make a lot of money.... he must be a 5 cent lemonade stand manager.

DJ Exec 2:40 AM - 25 March, 2007

Quote:

Ok, I admit. He's almost got me convinced. Who else is with me.

Me too....i'm an ssl user and i love it but this guy have some legit arguments, he kinda have me convinced too and leanin to his side..but it's 55-45 in favour of ssl

Pete Moss 2:50 AM - 25 March, 2007

I'm in favor of trying to make this the new longest thread, at PoorSSL's expense of course

Releaux 4:37 PM - 25 March, 2007

PoorSSL is so poor that...

(take it, folks)

Certified Quality Entertainment 4:42 PM - 25 March, 2007

Quote:

PoorSSL is so poor that...

(take it, folks)

How poor is he??? (Anyone that watches match game will know what Im talking about) haha

Releaux 2:28 AM - 26 March, 2007

CQE wins the point for first appropriate (and obscure) response! come on folks... fill in the blank.

PoorSSL is so poor that...

djslimsa 3:36 AM - 26 March, 2007

PoorSSL is so poor that he hangs the Toilet paper out to dry.

djslimsa 3:38 AM - 26 March, 2007

PoorSSL is so poor that he uses a Commodore 64 to surf the web.

Hilton Soiree 4:16 AM - 26 March, 2007

poorssl is so poor that his dj setup consists of a paper plate with a tack in the middle, on which he places the record and attempts to get it to play by rotating the plate and then holding a dj cartridge in the other hand.

Certified Quality Entertainment 1:24 PM - 26 March, 2007

Quote:

CQE wins the point for first appropriate (and obscure) response! come on folks... fill in the blank.

PoorSSL is so poor that...

haha...thanks. I take it you've watched Match Game.

DJ AKIE 4:23 PM - 26 March, 2007

Yeah.....what they said!

Had to add something....everyone else did

sixxx 5:42 PM - 26 March, 2007

A little off the subject. This dude I know whas rockin' Torq on his mac... and it froze. lol

Good times!

john blaze 10:27 PM - 26 March, 2007

Damn this was a SSL Forum beat down!

djtripp 10:29 PM - 26 March, 2007

PoorSSL is so poor that african children send HIM money.

djtripp 10:30 PM - 26 March, 2007

Quote:

A little off the subject. This dude I know whas rockin' Torq on his mac... and it froze. lol

Good times!

Can you legally say "rockin" and Torq" in the same sentence?

sixxx 11:56 PM - 26 March, 2007

Quote:

A little off the subject. This dude I know whas rockin' Torq on his mac... and it froze. lol

Good times!

Can you legally say "rockin" and Torq" in the same sentence?

Well said. :)

Correction: A dude I know was pretending to be a DJ while using Torq.

DJ Jinnai 8:28 AM - 27 March, 2007

he only gets bar gigs at 5 cent lemonade stands.

That Guy 1 10:25 PM - 28 March, 2007

Quote:

he only gets bar gigs at 5 cent lemonade stands.

Hey, that's cheap! What do they charge at the door?

sixxx 10:27 PM - 28 March, 2007

I didn't know lemonade stands had doors. lol

DJ Jinnai 5:57 AM - 29 March, 2007

the lemonade tastes....."TANGY"

(old 'Problem Child' joke) lol

Concept 6:37 AM - 29 March, 2007

I actually can run my turntable and cd player through scratchlive without the use of a phono preamp. I don't even know what a phono preamp is. Ive been running this setup ever since ive had serato, 12/05. I know its says your not supposed to but oh well, its been working fine for me.

MarqA 7:29 AM - 29 March, 2007

2 hours of pure entertainment! Now can I get back to organizing crates?

grrillatactics 3:55 PM - 29 March, 2007

Quote:

Rane wants to charge for the software for Macs and PCs because they know that they can make money in the software market

Serato is a seperate company from Rane and is the partner responsible for the software. Additionally, the software updates are free. The only updates that I have heard of that cost money are the seperate video app (which will be out shortly) and the PnT plug-in, which is also on the way. So, neither of the paid plug-ins/apps to go along with SSL are even out yet, and those are the only two ever discussed that won't be free. The reason these two will be paid plug-ins is because not everyone wants or needs them, and they are more CPU intensive than the standard software, so some peole wouldn't want to risk the marginal loss in stability (for instance, if they had an older computer).

All in all, this has been a fruitful discussion, in terms of d:raf correctly pointing out that Ricci Rucker's pole reversal was far more interesting discussion. At least the Ruckazoid has clout in the scene and some legitimate points in his discussion, although I feel that a lot of what he says isn't valid, and the way he expresses himself in type comes across as very argumentative.

And for the record, I really like lemonade.

Nicky Blunt 4:04 PM - 29 March, 2007

Quote:

lol.... why even bother taking the time to type that? ...

well, maybe we should all sell our serato and use the money to buy Belt-Driven turntables, this way no one can say were cheating.

Nahh I say we all sell serato & use the money to find out where this dude lives!

LOL

grrillatactics 4:19 PM - 29 March, 2007

I do have to admit that I am really looking forward to the video update. I don't think I will use it very often, if at all, but the concept seems very fun and is a great bonus.

aLiEn 9:26 PM - 29 March, 2007

Quote:

Nahh I say we all sell serato & use the money to find out where this dude lives!

Kinda like Jay and & Silent Bob did after they got reemed on poopshoot.com? LOL!

DJ Jinnai 9:52 PM - 29 March, 2007

Quote:

Nahh I say we all sell serato & use the money to find out where this dude lives!

Kinda like Jay and & Silent Bob did after they got reemed on poopshoot.com? LOL!

I remember that scene

dj disturbed 1:42 AM - 30 March, 2007

every time i see this thread i think about one of my Ex's :-P

djtripp 7:40 PM - 30 March, 2007

Was she sucking in 2004? ;)

PoorSSL 9:48 PM - 30 March, 2007

no kidding it's like fighting against a spouse. anyways, some good news for you all. i got serato so you can't say that i don't have it any more.

right out of the box, i tried building overviews for 2600 mp3 files and guess what it freezes after 155. i have to restart and try again..it freezes again after about 100. i have to continually do this every single time it freezes. AND i'm on the new 1.71 version so don't tell me the updates are good, cuz they don't address the important issues such as freezing overviews. they should have an option to skip the file it freezes on.

there's no intuitiveness in the GUI. you can't "right-click" and ADD, DELETE, COPY, CUT, or PASTE when you're browsing through files. you have to learn some weird ass keyboard short cut or find the correct (hard to find) menu to perform these operations. a little difficult to navigate without these kinds of options.

still disappointed

Pete Moss 9:53 PM - 30 March, 2007

I wondered if you were still here.

dj cubicle 9:55 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

no kidding it's like fighting against a spouse. anyways, some good news for you all. i got serato so you can't say that i don't have it any more.

right out of the box, i tried building overviews for 2600 mp3 files and guess what it freezes after 155. i have to restart and try again..it freezes again after about 100. i have to continually do this every single time it freezes. AND i'm on the new 1.71 version so don't tell me the updates are good, cuz they don't address the important issues such as freezing overviews. they should have an option to skip the file it freezes on.

...and it couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with other crap running on your computer... I've never had a single problem building overviews in a year +.

Quote:

there's no intuitiveness in the GUI. you can't "right-click" and ADD, DELETE, COPY, CUT, or PASTE when you're browsing through files. you have to learn some weird ass keyboard short cut or find the correct (hard to find) menu to perform these operations. a little difficult to navigate without these kinds of options.

still disappointed

Funny, there's a thread about an 8 year old who can use it...

PoorSSL 9:58 PM - 30 March, 2007

what are you talking about? I'm an IT pro and I have 4 laptops. I have dedicated a laptop just for serato. it has basic drivers, windows xp pro, and ssl 1.71. so i don't get your silly ass insinuation.

well good for the 8 year old, it was probably more designed for this 8 year old you're talking about. again, I'm an IT pro and these menus are weak.

Pete Moss 10:05 PM - 30 March, 2007

Give it some time. Get comfortable with it before you start complaining. when problems come up, Rane and Serato listen.

dj cubicle 10:31 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

what are you talking about? I'm an IT pro and I have 4 laptops. I have dedicated a laptop just for serato. it has basic drivers, windows xp pro, and ssl 1.71. so i don't get your silly ass insinuation.

well good for the 8 year old, it was probably more designed for this 8 year old you're talking about. again, I'm an IT pro and these menus are weak.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were better than me. If you're an "IT pro", why haven't you done file/reg/proc mon to figure out what's causing it to crash? I'd offer a second set of eyes to help look at them if you weren't so effin negative.

Boogie Down Martin 10:32 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

I'm an IT pro and these menus are weak.

WTF? You come to this forum start complaining how crappy SSL is, end up buying it anyway and keep complaining like 'you knew it before'.

I mean, really, what's wrong dude?

DJ Slade 10:32 PM - 30 March, 2007

Wow, this really got out of hand. I haven't logged into the forum in a while, and look what pops up. If you want this guy to stop badmouthing SSL, why not just ignore him rather than adding fuel to the fire?

DJ Stuart (AR) 10:33 PM - 30 March, 2007

I.T. Pro? Incompetent Technician?

DJ Stuart (AR) 10:33 PM - 30 March, 2007

Just kidding.

PoorSSL 10:40 PM - 30 March, 2007

i'm not saying it's a bad product. i wouldn't buy a bad product. i just hope serato and rane would start being proactive and fix some of these problems before charging someone $500 for the system.

i say these bad things to open peoples eyes. nothing is wrong with me and i'm not clowning any more.

i work in IT, that is separate to software programming. i troubleshoot network and hardware issues. this issue is more software related.

sixxx 10:47 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

i'm not saying it's a bad product. i wouldn't buy a bad product. i just hope serato and rane would start being proactive and fix some of these problems before charging someone $500 for the system.

i say these bad things to open peoples eyes. nothing is wrong with me and i'm not clowning any more.

i work in IT, that is separate to software programming. i troubleshoot network and hardware issues. this issue is more software related.

Wow. Who knocked some sense into you?

I agree with some stuff you have said, most was garbage. Anyway, Serato can and I'm sure will keep improving on this product... and you'll get the updates for free. So, that's always good.

Right now it's perfect for my needs. You know?

Releaux 10:55 PM - 30 March, 2007

If you're an IT pro, then you already understand the concept of problem isolation during troubleshooting and Occam's razor. Since these boards aren't overflowing with reports of crashing during overview/bpm builds (I processed over 23k tracks straight without a hiccup), then the logical assumption is that the problem is with your machine.

Your library probably has corruption or you didn't do as great a job of setting up and minimizing XP as you thought. Have you examined your library or restored from a backup? Have you tried analyzing a set of 200+ tracks that have been newly ripped from CD with a recent encoder?

Also, don't be so quick to immediately place the blame on software. Maybe you've got some hinky ram - bad ram is notorious for causing intermittent or periodic crashes. You've tested that, right? How old is the laptop? Perhaps you have some heat expansion issues causing the motherboard to flake out. This is also a pretty common occurrence when doing large processing batches.

PoorSSL 10:57 PM - 30 March, 2007

$550 knocked some sense into me and when I play on it I sound like a musical genious because of all the songs I used to not have, I can now play.

I hope they do that update soon. I'm kind of edgy cuz I'm playing out tonight and I want to bring the serato. (brings up another issues I will mention later) If the overview build is any indication of how reliable it is when performing live mixes, I'm kind of nervous, you feel?

I'm running an external drive and it seems like theres more issues with overview builds on external drives. is this true?

My buddies are telling me to wait 2 weeks before I play Serato outside my home. Why? I've played on Serato for at least a month before I even bought it. What are they concerned about?

PoorSSL 11:00 PM - 30 March, 2007

I'm not so quick to judge the software. I've done this on my clean install laptop, a desktop system which is pretty clean, and another desktop system at work. They are all exhibiting the same behavior. Are you saying that I have bad ram on all these machines?

PoorSSL 11:02 PM - 30 March, 2007

I also noticed than when freezing occurs and I try to close the scratchlive application, theres no response. "Program not responding" click END NOW, CANCEL. It has to be software

uno seis 11:04 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

he only gets bar gigs at 5 cent lemonade stands.

Hey, that's cheap! What do they charge at the door?

lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is

dj cubicle 11:06 PM - 30 March, 2007

do external drives ever kick in a sleep mode? that might do it...

Releaux 11:16 PM - 30 March, 2007

I didn't have a problem with my external drive, but as cubicle wrote, sleep mode might be an issue.

The "not responding" message isn't surprising. If something's bad enough to drive SSL crazy, it's unlikely to recover gracefully. If the same thing is happening on all of your machines, perhaps there's some 3rd party utility that you like and install on everything?

I'm not saying the problem absolutely isn't SSL, only that that's not as likely as something local to you. If it were a global problem, the boards would be full of complaint posts about that specific behavior.

The advice from your buddies may be related to the process of getting acclimated to the software, especially if you're working in relative mode. It's good to learn the software inside and out before laying it all out in front of a crowd - that way if something does go wrong, you're more likely to be able to identify the problem and correct it, or at least know how to get back where you were quickly.

I have never had SSL crash. Ever. While I use a Mac, a properly configured XP box is just as stable, especially if you get rid of all the junk. Are you installing XP SP2 from an OEM disc?

It is nice having the entire library, isn't it? It's a double edged sword, though. Either you pull out something completely obscure or you get vapor-locked by having too many choices. =-)

DJ Stuart (AR) 11:17 PM - 30 March, 2007

Quote:

lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is

I get more props den stunts den Bruce Willis.

PoorSSL 11:19 PM - 30 March, 2007

good idea. i'll test that theory

Pete Moss 11:23 PM - 30 March, 2007

Without this forum, I could only imagine how many problems SSL would have. This forum is your place to speak up so the bugs can be fixed.

PoorSSL 11:37 PM - 30 March, 2007

you might be on to somethin. i opened a word file on another partition and have it autosave every 2 minutes. so far it's building and hasn't crashed yet. it might be hardware afterall since i'm bringing this external drive to all of the previous environments. i'm still waiting for it to freeze

sixxx 11:45 PM - 30 March, 2007

Yeah... Poor SSL. I have a firewire external and no problems building overviews. I tell you, the worst was losing all your overviews from version to version. It happened to me twice I think.

Anyway, no crashes here since 1.3. Not a single USB dropout.

Oh, and I feel you on being able to mix shit you didn't have. I think the ability to have "doubles" made my dreams come true. I have some copies of vinyl that I could never find a double for the life of me. This shit rocks.

PoorSSL 11:56 PM - 30 March, 2007

i have a unique external drive..it's eSATA to USB HDD enclosure. apparently, it is trying to sleep. i have had word opened with a document on autosave every 2 minutes and so far it's working like a charm. not 1 drop out yet. I'm already at 139--and going.

White label promos and hard to find tracks are bad ass! Danny Tenaglia vs Timo Maas "I'm your DJ" into "Egyptian Lover" into MC Shy D "Shake it" into Run DMC "It's like that" I love old skool! I never had these on vinyl

dj cubicle 12:01 AM - 31 March, 2007

See sixxx, we just had to break him down so we could build him back up the right way... LOL

HittinSkinzTa2 1:27 AM - 31 March, 2007

Quote:

lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is

I get more props den stunts den Bruce Willis.

A poet like Langston Hughes, I can't lose.
When I cruise, out on the expressway, I lean in the bodega and say Suave...

What a great track.

mister iLL 1:54 AM - 31 March, 2007

premier got more beats than barns got hay
clipse are inserted into my gun
so i can take the money......

mister iLL 1:55 AM - 31 March, 2007

i mean "clips"

mister iLL 1:55 AM - 31 March, 2007

anyway....

Quote:

premier got more beats than barns got hay
clipse are inserted into my gun
so i can take the money......

HittinSkinzTa2 1:59 AM - 31 March, 2007

...never have to run.

Thundercat 2:03 AM - 31 March, 2007

S..
S..
Smooth
Bee

HittinSkinzTa2 2:10 AM - 31 March, 2007

I left my Philly at home, do you have another?
I wanna get blunted my brother...

sixxx 2:18 AM - 31 March, 2007

Quote:

i have a unique external drive..it's eSATA to USB HDD enclosure. apparently, it is trying to sleep. i have had word opened with a document on autosave every 2 minutes and so far it's working like a charm. not 1 drop out yet. I'm already at 139--and going.

White label promos and hard to find tracks are bad ass! Danny Tenaglia vs Timo Maas "I'm your DJ" into "Egyptian Lover" into MC Shy D "Shake it" into Run DMC "It's like that" I love old skool! I never had these on vinyl

I started on Old School and even then it was hard being able to afford to copies. Well, I'm glad you're figuring things out.

Like I said countless times, just have fun with it.

Thundercat 2:26 AM - 31 March, 2007

Taken from: www.mvremix.com

MVRemix: What does 'DWYCK' mean? Some people on the Internet say it means 'Do What You Can Kid'. What does 'DWYCK' really mean?

Guru: No, but that's pretty good though… actually. 'Do What You Can Kid'. It probably could've meant that. It was just a slang that we used to use back then. It was like a slang thing we used to do. Greg Nice used to do it to everybody. Biz Markie started it actually. You used be in a crowd and say someone's name and go 'Yo! Son!' The person would turn around and go 'What? What?' and you would say: 'Dwyck!'. It's like 'My dick!'. It means the male genitalia. We switched it up to 'Dwyck'. It was just some sh*t to psyche each other out.

Releaux 2:48 AM - 31 March, 2007

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you might be on to somethin. i opened a word file on another partition and have it autosave every 2 minutes. so far it's building and hasn't crashed yet. it might be hardware afterall since i'm bringing this external drive to all of the previous environments. i'm still waiting for it to freeze

Microsoft Office is the devil in terms of playing nice with others. I don't even install it on my music machines or, if I absolutely have to, install it on another user account and restrict it to that account only.

I love Excel with a passion, but I don't ever have Office apps open when I'm doing anything else.

dj cubicle 3:07 AM - 31 March, 2007

i think what he was saying is with the doc open and auto-saving, it kept the drive alive so he could build overviews...

allenbina 2:51 AM - 1 April, 2007

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I actually can run my turntable and cd player through scratchlive without the use of a phono preamp. I don't even know what a phono preamp is. Ive been running this setup ever since ive had serato, 12/05. I know its says your not supposed to but oh well, its been working fine for me.

i use an ipod and a casette deck, and i dont have to plug them in, and ive been using ssl since '84

Viewtiful Anthony 3:23 AM - 1 April, 2007

you guys took the first post right up the ass

society 6:30 AM - 1 April, 2007

Actually, I've been having problems with ssl crashing when I build overviews too. It's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time as the Beatles say.

Quote:

MVRemix: What does 'DWYCK' mean? Some people on the Internet say it means 'Do What You Can Kid'. What does 'DWYCK' really mean?

That's kind of funny--"Do What You Can Kid" is always what I thought it stood for too.

Nicky Blunt 4:56 PM - 1 April, 2007

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Actually, I've been having problems with ssl crashing when I build overviews too. It's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time as the Beatles say.

Me too but thats due to my computer more that the serato package!

Releaux 10:18 PM - 1 April, 2007

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i think what he was saying is with the doc open and auto-saving, it kept the drive alive so he could build overviews...

Ah hah. So he did. Office is still the devil.

Nicky Blunt 8:35 AM - 2 April, 2007

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Ah hah. So he did. Office is still the devil.

No Office is not the Devil, its the spawn of the Devil.

Bill Gates is the devil.

LOL

Robert Tompkins 3:19 PM - 2 April, 2007

Hey Guys-I think I know who Poor SSL is-He's the guy who want's to bring back 8 Track Tapes......LOL Or maybe he works for a competitor? Either way he's definitly got issues, maybe we can all chip in and buy him SSL so he'll shut up!!

m0nster 3:51 PM - 2 April, 2007

*shakes fist at the xing 192 audiogalaxy rips POORSSL tried to build overviews for*

PoorSSL 11:04 PM - 4 April, 2007

i dunno whats causing it to crash but it still crashes while building overviews...

oh and another thing happened to my friend dj'ing in the main room..his external drive froze and serato crashed..dead silence and boos...i'm scarred to play out with it now..he's got a better computer than me, his drive is pretty new only 2 months old external usb drive..man people boo'ing with the music cut, sucks pretty badly

DJ GaFFle 12:01 AM - 5 April, 2007

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i dunno whats causing it to crash but it still crashes while building overviews...

oh and another thing happened to my friend dj'ing in the main room..his external drive froze and serato crashed..dead silence and boos...i'm scarred to play out with it now..he's got a better computer than me, his drive is pretty new only 2 months old external usb drive..man people boo'ing with the music cut, sucks pretty badly

I used to have problems back in the day when I used an external drive. Try running your music from your internal drive. You may have deeper issues with your application crashing. What version are your running.

young shiz 12:25 AM - 5 April, 2007

PoorSSL, you seem to being having alot of issues and anxiety over using SSL. If you don't feel comfortable using it out, please don't. The last thing we need is a angry person ranting because they knew it sucked but decided to use it anyway ;)

young shiz 12:42 AM - 5 April, 2007

jk with that last post :), but a/b your friends drive, I've had less problems with firewire drives than usb. And just in case Serato gives me hell. I have mixes already recorded on my ipod thats hooked up to the mixer. I have ones of all types so if something goes wrong (like when the outlet that powered my hard drive went bad!!!), I can just hop on the mic for a few seconds and fade over to pre made mixes that give me time to fix any issues with ssl or my laptop. And i am in the process of acquiring another laptop for backup. I don't trust it 100% either but I put the appropriate backup measures in place so that I don't have to worry about it crashing.

PoorSSL 6:06 PM - 5 April, 2007

I'm running 1.71.

I'm confident SSL can be played reliably, but I'm just kinda nervous cuz I have the exact same setup (running external drive) as my friend..i shall prepare myself for anything goin wrong like u young shiz. that "optional" ac adapter should be mandatory for cases like these.

PoorSSL 7:00 PM - 5 April, 2007

i would like to run my files on my hard drive but my laptop drive is too slow and i really just want the OS and SSL on it and nothing more. besides my mp3 library would not all fit in the small drive.

Bigfourty4 9:23 PM - 5 April, 2007

Have you tried using any other computer with the files. You mentioned you had 4 computers in total.

I recently upgraded to a macbook pro with 2.33 ghz...I only use about 30 gigs of the hard drive, and that is more than enough songs than i could every play.

eder 9:36 PM - 5 April, 2007

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i would like to run my files on my hard drive but my laptop drive is too slow and i really just want the OS and SSL on it and nothing more. besides my mp3 library would not all fit in the small drive.

hard drive too slow? what do you mean? the RPMs are too slow? There's a topic regarding this somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.

De LA 9:40 PM - 5 April, 2007

Quote:

i would like to run my files on my hard drive but my laptop drive is too slow and i really just want the OS and SSL on it and nothing more. besides my mp3 library would not all fit in the small drive.

....Wouldnt that maybe explain why your laptop/hardrive have problems with SSL? And your friend too?

Dj KaGeN 12:11 AM - 6 April, 2007

Quote:

i have a unique external drive..it's eSATA to USB HDD enclosure.

I have spun many a gig with this same enclosure. Not so unique. I also have another 4 of them for my video collection. No issues, except they do get pretty warm running video.

djtripp 6:02 PM - 6 April, 2007

Dude, did PoorSSL get possessed? WTF?

Dj KaGeN 6:04 PM - 6 April, 2007

he arrived on the spot guns blazing and the target was all of us and anyone else who believes in Serato, I'd dare say the dude was postal. But now he's come full circle ---go figure?!?! LOL

djtripp 6:06 PM - 6 April, 2007

He was prolly hired by SSL to test our mettle. See if we really stand up for our product. ;)

Tripp~

Dj KaGeN 6:08 PM - 6 April, 2007

Serato is dj crack.... shit sells itself and damn addicting.

sixxx 6:09 PM - 6 April, 2007

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Serato is dj crack.... shit sells itself and damn addicting.

Serato it's turning out to be like the Technics 1200's. Seriously.

Releaux 6:15 PM - 6 April, 2007

"Sir, have you been spinning tonight?"

"No, officer."

"When was the last time you used?"

"Um... probably like 3 weeks ago."

"Uh huh. Mind if I take a look in the car?"

"No, go right ahead."

"I see you have dual 15s back there..."

"Yeah."

"Probably sound pretty good, huh? Get some decent low end out of those I bet."

"Yeah, I guess."

"..... You say you haven't been spinning for 3 weeks?"

"That's right"

"Care to tell me why you have your SSL rig all wired up to car and the hard drive is warm?"

"... That's not mine."

"Well, sir, it's in your car and you're driving. That makes it yours. I'm going to have to ask you to step back to my vehicle please."

"I... I just want to get some help you know?"

"I know sir. We're going to try and get you some help."

Dj KaGeN 6:19 PM - 6 April, 2007

someone is well versed in cop dialog.... Care to tell us how long your stay was behind bars for possession of a controlled substance?

dj cubicle 6:40 PM - 6 April, 2007

Hah, speaking of that, my crack catalog just showed up. 147 pages of PSSL goodness.

Dj KaGeN 6:43 PM - 6 April, 2007

check out the typo on the very last page sa-1232z for less than 500.. If I had a G laying around - I'd be all over them like paint on a car!

Certified Quality Entertainment 6:56 PM - 6 April, 2007

Quote:

Hah, speaking of that, my crack catalog just showed up. 147 pages of PSSL goodness.

Hahaha...thats halarious. Im the same way. I cant wait for the day I walk in from work and see my catalog on the counter! Best reading material for when your on the shi**er

djtripp 7:02 PM - 6 April, 2007

Are you sure he didn't mean "ass-crack" catalog? ;)

Certified Quality Entertainment 7:06 PM - 6 April, 2007

^^ I hope not ..haha

dj cubicle 7:06 PM - 6 April, 2007

It always amazes me how much stuff is out there that I have absolutely no idea about (let alone any idea how to use it).

I think my summer purchase is going to be a set of monitors.

Releaux 5:35 PM - 7 April, 2007

Quote:

someone is well versed in cop dialog.... Care to tell us how long your stay was behind bars for possession of a controlled substance?

Heh heh. Never even been arrested. Cops and Video on Patrol are two of my guilty pleasure shows, though.

My crack catalog comes from Sweetwater. I just ordered a sweet new soft-synth, but it's not shipping until May. :( I think I'll sign up for that PSSL one, though. Then I can have bathroom reading for upstairs AND downstairs. :D

Dj KaGeN 9:54 PM - 7 April, 2007

I've had a couple really close calls.... I got lucky.

DJ Jinnai 8:20 AM - 10 April, 2007

SSL is one hell of a drug.

PoorSSL 9:22 PM - 11 April, 2007

My laptop drive is 5400rpm whereas my external eSATA is 7600rpm. @ 5400rpm with only 40gigs of space, an OS and SSL runs pretty solid until you start loading it with tons of MP3s.

I guess I could go with the 1 or 2 gigs of MP3s per event but that would take up time, off-loading and loading the MP3s I want to play for that night.

OK OK my explaination for the recent change in opinions. I bought it. I used it at 2 events, pretty damn easy to use, and yes it's pretty reliable. I still feel like I'm cheating but that's okay because I got the credentials to cheat.

The wave display in the middle was totally designed for deaf DJ's. If I go deaf, I'll probably rely on that display.

My only complaints is the crashing overview builds and how SSL does not detect new files when they are added to the folders that the crates are connected to.. Does that make sense? Or is there a way you can update the new tracks within SSL without having to remove the crate and re-add the crate.

eder 9:26 PM - 11 April, 2007

You don't need to remove the crates, you can just copy the entire folder into the crate that you want and it will only add the new files. Hopefully that makes sense.

sixxx 9:27 PM - 11 April, 2007

PoorSSL

1."I got the credential to cheat". That's how I feel about it.
2. The wave displays do help but NOTHING can beat your ears especially when your computer graphics glitch because of overload or something.

and 3. When you add new tracks and click on the BUILD OVERVIEWS button, it should do those that don't have the overviews built. You shouldn't have to remove crates and re-add crates.

Also, you can build overviews to specific tracks by draggings those tracks into the BUILD OVERVIEWS button.

vidoona 9:56 PM - 11 April, 2007

Good to see your change of heart PoorSSL. As far as cheating, you're right, but once you get into loops, cues, and the other benefits of relative mode, you can really boost your creativity and level of performance over regular vinyl.

I also don't like that crates can't be linked to folders for those of us who don't use Itunes. I haven't had overview building crashes in a few versions. I hope that's not becoming an issue again.

Releaux 3:46 AM - 12 April, 2007

I'll tell you the one place where I absolutely love the wave displays is on some of those weird, long break-downs where it's just some floopy synth stuff, but you've already got a beat mixing in...

No more trainwrecks (or even just being off by a noticeable amount) on a 64 or 128 beat mixover when the beat comes back in. =-)

It's also a much easier way to "read the grooves" than hunching over trying to get the light on the 1200s to hit the vinyl just right only to find that you missed your mix-in point on that record you only play three times a year.

I find I still close my eyes or stare off into space most of the time when beat-matching. The waves are a nice additional tool to have in the bag of tricks, but unless you're dealing with very sparse and uniform arrangements, mixing visually is a crap shoot. Ears still win over eyes.

All of these tools from turntables with pitch adjustment to key lock to CD decks to mixers with crossfaders to SSL are there to help with the art of playing the right music, in the right order, at the right time. "Cheating?" Possibly, but quite frankly, I don't give a rat's patootie about it if the mix rocks and the floor is bouncing!

I've found that SSL has made me a lot more creative and broken me out of a lot of standard mixes I'd gotten into a habit with.

vidoona 4:10 AM - 12 April, 2007

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I've found that SSL has made me a lot more creative and broken me out of a lot of standard mixes I'd gotten into a habit with.

Amen.

Nicky Blunt 8:58 AM - 12 April, 2007

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"cheating" is such a funny term; it implys that there are rules. The only rules out there are the ones DJ's impose on themselves.

I'm still waiting for the "Universal Conduct Manifesto for DJ's" to be published...

dude you must have dropped of the mailing list!

I can zerox you my copy if you like!

Lol

PoorSSL 8:10 PM - 12 April, 2007

I've had a similar discussion with one of my other dj buddies and I was talking about how I don't want to load my primary harddrive in my laptop with gigs of songs for fear it may slow down the performance of SSL and my PC overall. You know what his answer was? "Get a Mac..I've never had problems with it. It's way more reliable than a PC"

Why? I have 4 PC laptops and I would be damned to buy a Mac just to use SSL.

So Mac's are so special, what if I bought a Mac and loaded my internal drive 99% to the brim, would it be as stable as a PC running an external drive? What makes it more special and more stable? I do know that Mac's have automatic defragmentation but that's the only technical benefit I see. Someone shed some light on this issue.

I like how SSL makes a good DJ better. Yes SSL has also broken me out of standard mixing too, and it made me more creative as well.

Another issue I'd like to bring up is the optional AC Adapter. Every other USB device and their MOMS has an AC Adapter included. My external usb drive came with one, my external cd-rom drive came with one. Why didn't SSL?

I went to Radio Shack to buy an AC Adapter, they gave me a Q-Sized Plug and a 9V Adapter. You have to make sure the plug end is properly configured + / - tip @ 300mah and even when you plug it in, it's not a great connection. You have to angle it to get a good connection. I wasted 20 bucks there.

I tried a few local music stores and they all don't carry it in stock, so you have to special order this thing. You really have to jump through hoops to get this AC adapter which is quite usefull when you're switching DJ rotations and laptops in the middle of a live performance. I'm pretty upset with Rane/Serato for not including it in the first place.

DJ Michael Basic 8:28 PM - 12 April, 2007

Quote:

Another issue I'd like to bring up is the optional AC Adapter. Every other USB device and their MOMS has an AC Adapter included. My external usb drive came with one, my external cd-rom drive came with one. Why didn't SSL?

This is false...you'll find that nearly any usb device that can be fully powered by the USB port will NOT come with an AC adaptor. I'll list some examples:

The Ipod
2.5" usb hard drives
hercules DJ console (for Virtualdj)
m-audio microtrack
creative x-mod

the list goes on.

This is standard. Your external hard drive came with one because it is probably a 3.5" that needs the power adaptor to work.

PoorSSL 8:40 PM - 12 April, 2007

well I still feel that Rane/Serato needs to include one for shits and giggles you feel

PoorSSL 8:41 PM - 12 April, 2007

does anyone know if I have the wrong size adapter plug? the nerd at radioshack picked plug size "Q" and I read on another thread on this forum that plug size "N" is the right one

Dj KaGeN 8:44 PM - 12 April, 2007

I read Q - and immediately thought that it was 'N'. Go back ask to swap it out.

Matt G 10:30 PM - 12 April, 2007

Quote:

So Mac's are so special, what if I bought a Mac and loaded my internal drive 99% to the brim, would it be as stable as a PC running an external drive?

Filling up your internal drive to the brim will cause trouble with both Macs and PCs. They need a reasonable amount of free space, otherwise performance will noticeably degrade and the system can possibly become unstable. If you're already running on only a few GB free, then I'd suggest you free up more space.

PoorSSL 9:43 PM - 13 April, 2007

Ah hah! My speculations are correct then. Anyone else care to prove that Macs are better than PC's go right ahead.

Releaux 9:57 PM - 13 April, 2007

Now you were doing so well, PoorSSL... don't try to threadjack a thread that we've so nicely threadjacked.

Besides, trying to start a Mac/PC flamewar doesn't get you any skill points.

sixxx 1:31 AM - 14 April, 2007

Quote:

Ah hah! My speculations are correct then. Anyone else care to prove that Macs are better than PC's go right ahead.

Huh?

Pete Moss 2:50 AM - 14 April, 2007

Why must the Mac vs PC fight live on? If you like Macs, use 'em. If you like Windows, use that. I sure as hell wouldn't push an OS on someone.

sixxx 2:54 AM - 14 April, 2007

Quote:

Why must the Mac vs PC fight live on? If you like Macs, use 'em. If you like Windows, use that. I sure as hell wouldn't push an OS on someone.

Organic Substance? Huh?

Releaux 3:48 AM - 14 April, 2007

Oscillating Sidewinder

Dj KaGeN 10:01 AM - 14 April, 2007

I declare a new holiday - bitch slap a mac user week.

Releaux 7:20 PM - 14 April, 2007

I'll be waiting for you KaGeN. ;) Then, just as you're winding up, I'll reboot into XP and you'll be all like, "DAYUMMMM! You just made me forget why I was about to bitch slap you." And I'll be all like, "yeah - that's how I roll!" and you'll be all like "Hey man, let me buy you a drink and then we'll play some killer house tracks" and I'll be all like, "cool - that sounds awesome!" and you'll be all like "cool."

DJDLO 415 8:02 PM - 14 April, 2007

i hate this thread.......never made sense to me.......

BTW i work in iT

Dj KaGeN 6:52 PM - 15 April, 2007

lol... Releaux

allenbina 6:57 AM - 16 April, 2007

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Rane is out there to steal your money and you are fools for joining the hype

Any company out there wants your money, that is how economics/capitalism works. Show me one company how gives you all the stuff for free - and survives.

theres lots. most are called non profits, or in some places referred to as ngos. google is not a base capitalistic thing, although it does do things for profit, you can get a lot out of it for free. i do things for free all, the time. capitalism isnt all its built up to be. and what about mixmeisters bpm analyzer, i think stuff like that is great

eder 7:37 AM - 16 April, 2007

Quote:

Rane is out there to steal your money and you are fools for joining the hype

Any company out there wants your money, that is how economics/capitalism works. Show me one company how gives you all the stuff for free - and survives.

theres lots. most are called non profits, or in some places referred to as ngos. google is not a base capitalistic thing, although it does do things for profit, you can get a lot out of it for free. i do things for free all, the time. capitalism isnt all its built up to be. and what about mixmeisters bpm analyzer, i think stuff like that is great

Google is extremely capitalistic-based. They sell advertisement on every search you do and on every e-mail you read. Mixmeister on the other hand, is a free app giving you a taste of what their full program does. Mixmeister isn't known SOLELY for their BPM analyzer. Yes, most everyone on this forum knows them for that, but they do have other bigger and better products for sale out there.

Nothing anyone ever does is for free. You might not be getting paid in monetary terms, but you're giving yourself exposure and experience, two things you can't get in your bedroom.

djtripp 9:25 AM - 18 April, 2007

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"...you're giving yourself exposure and experience, two things you can't get in your bedroom."

Man, I get expose AND experience in the bedroom all the time! ;)

smutek 10:33 AM - 18 April, 2007

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DVD-J's are still kicking your ass and they've been out longer than you.

That makes no sense. It's like saying "I still kick your ass at mixing! And I've been mixing longer than you.. myaahhh!!!

Quote:

3. Having all the songs on 1 hard drive makes Serato, and the system itself generally slow causing lag and horrible results.
Don't think having a Mac notebook solves this problem, it happens on ALL computers. It's called fragmentation.

Right, here's a tip: Buy a faster computer. Christ, I run an almost four year old powerbook with Serato, 1.25 ghz 1.25 gigs of ram, everything runs from the stock harddrive and I NEVER play mp3's lower than 320 kbps. Never a problem.

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5. 128kbps sounds shitty and you have to crank up the gains to acheive equal volume levels. It clips the speakers and the
slightest click of a scratched control record can hurt peoples ears. I wonder why people/promoters don't notice this shit.

And this is a serato issue eh? Why would you play a 128 kbps mp3 on a large system at all? Ever?

Here's some tips, learn a little bit about computers and audio, stop being a dumb ass, stop hating and save your allowance or just ask your Mom to buy Serato for you. Maybe she will if you promise to move out of her basement and get a job.

Weak ass troll.

PoorSSL 6:30 PM - 18 April, 2007

aahhhaha people still hate me even though I bought serato and took back most of the things I've said..that's cool shit

he may just be a troll stalker or something..like he did a search for "serato sucks" and then found me.

I just recorded my first serato mix. It's lower quality because I have a 25mb limit on comcast server.

My apologies to you folks, you deserve to criticize my mix and say all the stuff you want about it
home.comcast.net

Does anyone know a free site I can upload at least 100mb to and host/share the link to the download of my mix?

Konix 6:38 PM - 18 April, 2007

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Does anyone know a free site I can upload at least 100mb to and host/share the link to the download of my mix?

Sign up for a free phpnet.us account. You get 300MB of space and 80GB monthly bandwith for free, plus a lot of other stuff (FTP access, MySQL, PHP, etc). All free.

phpnet.us

PoorSSL 8:16 PM - 18 April, 2007

is that like streamload.com ? streamload offers 25GB storage and 8GB(or something) bandwidth but the FREE account has limitations as to the size of the file you host. they only allow 10mb maximum for your listeners, otherwise it asks me to pay membership to have that limitation taken off.

Konix 8:57 PM - 18 April, 2007

There's no file size limitation, but like I said you only get 300MB storage. Enough for a mix or two.

DJ_Mike_Coquilla 7:43 PM - 7 May, 2007

Watch youtube.com

nik39 6:23 PM - 9 June, 2007

Quote:

I just recorded my first serato mix. It's lower quality because I have a 25mb limit on comcast server.

My apologies to you folks, you deserve to criticize my mix and say all the stuff you want about it
home.comcast.net

Not my music. Technically I would say it'S fine. But there are only blends IIRC, so ... no wikki wikki. That explains why you don't need something like ScratchLIVE. ;)

How about getting mixmeister-software?

J/k :)

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