ps...im loving that giant knob, the echo out and 2 way frequency filter are awsome!! (NH NM)

im loving that giant knob

Serato are expanding and spending more resources on partnerships as the sales of the current hardware are probably dropping so need the revenue from other places, dont be supprised if you have to pay for updates in the future,

just my opinion

ps...im loving that giant knob, the echo out and 2 way frequency filter are awsome!! (NH NM)

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- You can't record your sets with an SL3 because audio drop occur

how can you blame me for being a PC user if mac has them as well?

easily because i have a mac and dont have these problems LOL

easily because i have a mac and dont have these problems LOL

In my opinion, 2.1 only added more bugs than it removed. They didn't fix:
- SP6 remember cue points
-_-

You must have the most awesomeness version of 2.1 ever because it's not an OS issue....

Please explain how you are doing this. I just loaded a song with a cue point in the sample player. I set it to "start from : first cue" and then hit the keyboard shortcut. It started the sample at the first cue point. I'm using 2.1

Are you doing something different?

If so, please start a help thread and we can get to the bottom of it ;)

If they can't make it work right on pc's then they should stop making it for pc's.

buy a mac!!! problem solved..

I was going to repost that here. I'd like to get to the bottom of that for you guys.

I'm using the version available off of the download page. I'm personally excited for this version. But that is why we have the help section, we want to make sure all of your issues are addressed.

So hit us up there about this sample cue issue. Its working fine for me, let me know what you are doing different ;)

@ 0:33
what are those 1,2,3,4 buttons above the beats control for???
is not on my 2.1 ;(

Watchwww.youtube.com

easily because i have a mac and dont have these problems LOL

Lets say I load up 6 samples, switch to BANK B, load another 4 samples and set start from cue point on bank B samples. If I close SSL, bank B does not get saved.

Im tired of hearing PC users bitch abotu their problems

those are the decks... if you don't have a 68 you just have deck 1 or deck 2

Seriously, you need to grow up and stop trolling. This buy a Mac, it's a PC thing is getting old. This thread had a lot of potential to it, but you had to kill it. I stopped reading a lot of threads because they're just beating the same old horse. This site at one point was really informative and useful and because of people like you, it's gone down the drain. Now it's a troll fest.

+ 1

How many times I've seen someone mere hours from a gig and in need of actual help and ignorant fanboys waste time with their "buy a Mac" bullshit. Sure, I have a gig in an hour and my crates aren't staying in order...I'll just go out and buy a Mac beause YOU told me too! Problem solved!

buy a mac!!! problem solved..

+ 1

How many times I've seen someone mere hours from a gig and in need of actual help and ignorant fanboys waste time with their "buy a Mac" bullshit. Sure, I have a gig in an hour and my crates aren't staying in order...I'll just go out and buy a Mac beause YOU told me too! Problem solved!

Seriously, you need to grow up and stop trolling. This buy a Mac, it's a PC thing is getting old. This thread had a lot of potential to it, but you had to kill it. I stopped reading a lot of threads because they're just beating the same old horse. This site at one point was really informative and useful and because of people like you, it's gone down the drain. Now it's a troll fest.

I'm so sick of pc users being treated like second class citizens around here.

Problem would be solved if they posted in the right area, if your having a problem like this post in the help section, you know where the people who are paid to help fix your problems stay and....gasp....fix your problem. Its not trolling to say that this shit works better on a mac, are problems still possible OF COURSE but the # of issues that can cause the problem are smaller

and for the record Bezzle isnt trolling he's being truthful if people stopped buying 400 dollar walmart laptops they would have a smoother time with Scratchlive. like it or not its the truth

That theory goes out the window, if you ever use another DVS which work fine on the same pc without a hitch, without any drop out etc..

talking about scratchlive not virtual dj

talking about scratchlive not virtual dj

I guess you never had to troubleshoot a problem. Your making the argument that pc's are crap because one piece of software doesn't work. If you've tried more than one software - that does the exact same functions as scratchlive and they work fine, then where does the problem lie...

so.... use traktor then i dunno what to tell you , we use scratchlive on our macs with no problems if your problems are with the software and you cant accept the fact that it runs smoother on a MAc then by all means switch software, i dont know what to tell you ive ran up to 1.9.2 on an old powerbook without issues 867mhz and 640 mb of ram with a full hard drive so what does that tell you....

I actually don't have any problem with ssl on my pc, besides not being able to the lowest buffer.. I was just pointing out the fallacy of your conclusions....

But this debate raged on before this topic and will continue in many many many threads to come.. So carry on..

so your not having problems on your pc? good, im not having problems on any of my macs, so its not sctatchlive as you claimed it might have been?

*sighs*

listen I going to play with my new 10'" ..

Bezzle has a good point on wal-mart laptops. I am not saying it's a PC issue, I run SSL on a PC without any issues, it is not Win 7 nor does it has one of those AMD Turion or Athlon processors or one of the core i-series. Think about it people...you are getting what you pay for on your laptop.

I'm so sick of pc users being treated like second class citizens around here.

oh and if anyone hasnt caught on that a EDM controlism enthusiast with the SN of thebuttonpusher on the scratch live website where the vast majority of users are hiphop\turntable\purist where who continually bitch about people who dont use turntables and use buttons is most likely trolling than you need to really read some of his posts do the math.

I don't believe you can do math.

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+1

=troll

M.Bezzle is right, go to Best Buy and check their new computer section. There are at least 20 different computer models all using different hardware and software. That must be a pain to program for and is the cause of most PC users problems. The problem is compounded when you buy the low end models because they use cheap hardware to keep costs low. I can go to Apple, buy the low end laptop and be assured it will run SSL just fine. Get a few upgrades and you have a top of the line computer. Yes it costs a little more but you have a piece of mind that I can not get with a windows machine. So I think saying "get a Mac" is not THE solution it definitely is A solution.

i don't believe he can do english ether ...lol

Beezle has to be the single most unproductive employee in the United Sates.

- Not all pc's cost 400 bucks and have shitty components

- If you can really get you shit to run well on pc's (Like much other stuff does). For whatever the reasons are...stop making it for pc's, or at a minimum have a different release schedule for them.

Beezle has to be the single most unproductive employee in the United Sates.

- SP6 remember cue points -
Not a mac or PC issue but an issue that neither myself or chad seem to be able to duplicate (both on macs) so could be a software or setup issue

- Cannot analyze more than 1 set/group of files at a time (select 100 songs, send to analyze, select another 100 songs and bring to analyze as the first 100 is going, it will crash) -

If its crashing when doing this with a set # of files it could be a ram issue, it could be a processor issue if could be how many procces (bloatware, spyware, adware, viruses, antivirus ect) you have running with the program thats looking at the files. Once again knowing what machine your on is vital here



- occasional POP noise when you switch from ABS to REL
- You can't record your sets with an SL3 because audio drop occur

Pops and dropouts could be your USB card, audio drivers, ram, and of course how much process memory is being used at one time

- GUI bugs such as X or _ become unresponsive after a while

Sounds like a video card issue, how much ram you have, wether of not you have shared or dedicated video memory

Plus knowing what machine he is on helps with the question of if hes optimized for the software, if hes on a PC we need to know if hes running XP Vista 7 ect because those are all different beasts.

Now if you look at all that you see why I asked if he was still on the PC laptop that he indicated in his profile (which i checked before posting). This wasnt a help thread it was a what do you think about 2.1 thread, if those are his issues I first want to know if he is on the same machine as me so i can look out for those issues, he was not, second it gives indication as to what is causing the issue.

we use scratchlive on our macs with no problems if your problems are with the software and you cant accept the fact that it runs smoother on a MAc.

2.1 crashed on me in the club tonight :( Luckily I had 2.0 still installed and a cd to quickley put on. I was not a happy chappy!

Oh and Im on a mac

i found out you can put OSX on a pc,
did that and havent looked back,

wow.. just wow... I remember when i got banned fighting the fight that a mac is NOT required to SL or VSL...

well I had a nightmare with windows and serato,
went through 3 pc's and was about to buy a mac till i found out you can put OSX on a pc,
did that and havent looked back,
might still buy a mac someday,
but the serato team really need to review either the software or drivers in relation to windows as something is wrong along the way

i love how angry ppl get its just a forum,.

onfinite.com

I love it when people think they're that signifigant to get others mad over a brand name LOL. It's you guys that take the name that seriously, not us. Mac's are dummy proof and most users love them because they couldn't tie their shoe laces without them. You assume that I'm "angry" over your precious, yet I actually use both PC and Mac. Both have their uses and I appreciate that.

Bottom line the issue here is not the preference, it's that lamewads run around shouting Mac like they get a cut for everyone sold, and it makes you look like a giant douche when someone is in a bind asking for legitimate help, maybe with not much time to spare and the best thing you can do is come up with the ultra creative, never heard before "get a mac". It's about as cutting edge as "no logout".

Welcome to 2010, your act is stale and I find most users that place that much importance on the accessory are the ones that have little else to brag about..

i see you have the RANE 57sl, why did you get the 57? same reason i went for a Rane 56 better build quality and product support than Behringer, it does make a difference, its the same with computers, i bet if you dropped your Rane 57 for a Behringer mixer you WILL notice the difference, yea they are just mixers and yea ppl can scratch and mix on them but there IS a difference right?

shaman im not tryin to make you angry or w/e, i guess its just a preference,
and ive had these convos with Honda heads, jap imports vs euro , mac vs pc, its never ending.

I think what BERTO and a lot of other people are missing is that you're not paying for quality when you get a Mac, you're just paying for the exclusiveness/brand....

lmao well go ahead and keep telling yourself you're paying for quality.. that's the problem with you mac users yelling get a mac, yall can't get over the brand lol

You all fail. The subject of this thread is 2.1 being a fail or not. It's not about pc vs mac.

You fail at reading. Thank you, come again.

Read the part where people throw in their 2 cents on the subject of 2.1 working better on a Mac vs a PC.

Okay Mac users can you set SP6 to play from Cue 2, 3, 4, or 5, close the program, relaunch and then have the setting saved? Make a video prove me wrong and I'll send you $100 paypal.

Worked ok, but VSL struggled to load videos quickly after about 3 hours use. That's on a unibody mac pro with videos running from a 7200rpm 800FW G-Drive external. I had to leave the video paused in the deck for about 10 seconds before it was safe to play, otherwise i would run out of waveform... Never had this issue on 2.0 or 1.9

What's your take?

I would not say that 2.1 is a fail, but the approach Serato is taking currently, is not good.

Let me explain:

There were times when SL was known to be the most stable DVS on the market. This fact, among others (such as simplicity), were main factors why SL became so popular, and I guess these are the reasons why you and me are using SL. We trust in SL.

Serato always said that they don't announce release dates, because the product is ready, when they think it is ready and stable. Nowaydays I have the impression that these are shallow words and phrases. 2.0 brought a looot of features - nice features which people have been asking for a long time. Obviously with such a big release and new features a lot of bugs creep in.

I understand that no release ever will be perfect and that every release is a compromise and a balance. Either you wait until infinity or you decide to cut it off, accept certain bugs and release a version. However in 2.1 I don't think this balance was a good.

If you check the Public Beta area you can see a lot of open bugs. You can see bugs which have as an effect a different behaviour of SL. For example for a couple of user the Midi behaviour of certain devices have been changed. (I could not reproduce this by myself, but these issues were reported by multiple individuals). Things which have been working in 2.0 are suddenly broken/changed.

Hell, there are even *crash* reports where I haven't seen any feedback from any Serato mod. (To be fair, this does not mean that no Serato guy/gal has looked at the report - fact is there is no response. This means basically that the user is left alone. He took his precious time to report a bug, and giving a little response is appropriate.)

Video SL users have been left behind in my opinion. There have been changes to how mp4 files are handled. In previous versions if you were adding/changing cue points SL would not rewrite the entire video file. Now SL tries to rewrite the entire file! This means if your video file is 100MB, then SL will make a copy of the video file. Reading 100MB, at the same time writing 100MB, while you are most likely playing two other video files! All at the same time! No surprise that my external firewire drive had problems keeping up. I had a couple of severe USB dropouts. :( Then if your harddrive turns out to be full, SL will partly write the copy (until the drive is full) and then delete the old good working copy with an incomplete copy. I know, rare case. But these things should be taken into consideration.

Things get even worse when you use the 68 and VSL. Just press the LAYER/SHIFT button on the mixer and the video output will go black because the VSL line faders get turned down to 0. So you have to manually move the line faders again to get the video signal back (probably affecting the audio output). This issue has been known prior to Release Candidate 4, but RC4 was still released as final version.

There were changes in the behaviour of SL where the according bug reports were commented with "sorry, SL is in release-candidate-stage so any non-critical bugs will be deferred to the next version". To me this reads like "Sorry, we think reliability and stability is not so important. We prioritize releasing SL at a certain date rather than having a reliable SL version." This issue can not be fixed because there is not enough time? Obviously some of the people involved in SL are not DJ's and might not be aware of the fact how crucial a working setup for us DJ's is. You *must* take the time to fix this! Yes, DJ's rely on SL, DJ's make their living with SL! They can not accept crashes, and misbehaviour of SL just because Serato did not have enough time to fix it and decided to release this version to the public due some deadline. I'd rather wait another two weeks than taking any risks when playing out.


Serato has listened to the users by adding features to SL more quickly and more often but right now, pariticipating in the race of more-features-more-more-more, but judging from the current status it looks like this is done at the cost of stability.

I would appreciate it if there was a kind of bug-smashing-release after each bigger release. For 2.1, there should be a SL. 2.1.1 which *only* fixes bugs. I wish that there had been a bug-squashing-release for 2.0 as well.

There were times when SL was the most stable DVS, but right now it seems like SL is taking a different direction and risking it's reputation. I wish that this won't happen because... I still love SL ;)

Scratch Live 2.1.0:

Scratch Live 2.1 is a maintenance release that improves on version 2.0. Read on for the run-down or watch the video explaining the new features: www.youtube.com view

What's new in 2.1:

* New Ultra Knob effects for the free DJ-FX plugin. Ultra Knob effects give you one-knob performance control of advanced effects including "Echo Out" and "Brake Out".

* Included 32 new Ultra Knob Effects and 28 new Super Knob effects.

* Novation Dicer support. Full integration with the Novation Dicer gives you tactile control of Cues, Rolls and Autoloops.

* Advanced HID support for the CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900. Advanced HID control was co-engineered by Pioneer and Serato to allow for unprecedented integration of Scratch Live and the CDJ including library navigation, overview display, album art display, and responsive platter control.

* Many more feature enhancements, fixes and improvements.


New DJ-FX Features:

- Added New Ultra Knob Effects. Each FX unit now has two control modes - Ultra Knob Mode and Super Knob mode, both of which can be fully customized. In Ultra Knob mode you can load more advanced effects such as "Echo Out" and "Brake Out" - and just like the Super Knob you can Edit, Create and Save new Ultra Knob Effects yourself.

- Added 32 new Ultra Knob Effects and 28 new Super Knob effects.

- Added a "Beats" control to the DJ-FX Panel. This control sets the BPM for the effects unit in Ultra Knob and Super Knob Modes.

- The DJ-FX Knobs now have a new look so you can easily see their position from a distance.

Novation Dicer

- Added integrated Plug n Play support for the Novation Dicer.

CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900

- You can now use the CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900 with Scratch Live in Advanced HID mode. When in Advanced HID Mode you will have complete Scratch Live integration at your fingertips including library navigation, overview display, album art display, and responsive platter control.

Note: Scratch Live support requires v3.10 CDJ firmware which is available from the Pioneer website here:

CDJ-2000: pioneer.jp
CDJ-900: pioneer.jp

TTM 57SL

- Added a fix for the problem where the TTM 57SL would dropout constantly on new Intel Macs.

- The TTM 57SL control assign menus are now categorized to make assigning of controls easier.

- Fixed bug where swapping from the TTM57-SL in Scratch Live to other Rane hardware could result in the Hardware panel staying visible.

SL 1

- Added a fix for the problem where the SL 1 would dropout constantly on new Intel Macs.

SL 3

- Included SL 3 firmware update v2.30. Firmware v2.30 will allow for compatibility with future Core Audio / ASIO drivers. Please update your firmware from the Hardware tab on the setup screen.

- You can now use keyboard shortcuts to control the Aux Deck on the SL 3. When using 3 decks, pressing the ~ key on your keyboard will toggle focus between Decks 1+2 and the Aux deck. When the Aux deck has focus, the left deck keyboard shortcuts will apply to the Aux Deck.

- Added a flashing deck indicator option for the SL3 when the Aux deck is enabled. The option appears on the Aux deck plugins tab when Aux Deck is enabled.

Sixty-Eight

- Included Rane Sixty-Eight Firmware version 1.13. Please update your firmware from the Hardware tab on the setup screen.

- With firmware v1.13, the Sixty-Eight Mixer controls are now assignable in MIDI learn mode.

- History for the Sixty-Eight now detects whether a track has been "played" using the mixer fader positions and channel assignments.

- Fixed bug where using the Rane Sixty-Eight and activating Auto Loop or Loop Roll could use/erase the current numbered loop slot.

- Fixed bug where the setup screen could display a Rane Sixty-Eight firmware version of 0.0 on Windows.

- Fixed bug where hot-plugging the Sixty-Eight would change the primary decks, if they were changed in the current session.

- Fixed bug where sometimes there would be distortion in recordings from the Rane Sixty-Eight.

- Fixed bug on Mac when using the Rane Sixty-Eight where out putting audio through a deck could lead to unassigned decks outputting identical audio.

Other DJ-FX Changes

- Added new Auto Fader and Fader effects which can be used to create Ultra Knob effects. These can be used to create "Post Fader" Ultra Knob effects.

- Changed the Reverser and Repeater effects. Now they have the max 'beats' value of 8/1 and and count parameters 0 - 7, infinite (∞) and random.

- The Reverser will now play forward for half its beats time and then reverse that audio and play that back 'count' amount of times for a more musical sounding effect.

- Optimized effects and effects selection. This should reduce the chance of a dropout when swapping out certain effects.

- Added categorized popup menus for the Super Knob effects.

- Fixed bug when saving effects presets where it was not obvious that entering a name then pressing "Save" instead of "Save As..." would overwrite the current effect preset. The save button is now disabled in this situation to avoid confusion.

- Fixed bug where tapping a tempo could stop the phaser and flanger resyncing its LFO when switched on.

- Fixed bugs with DJ-FX menu selection being empty if the preset XML was deleted while Scratch Live was closed. (It should have defaulted to an effect).

- Improved efficiency of LFO based effects, especially on start up.

- Fixed bug where the Braker, Reverser and Repeater effects were running at half the specified Beats value.

- The DJ-FX panel will now stay open across a USB disconnect/reconnect.

- Fixed bug where repeater would repeat when chance was set to 0.

Fixed bug where the Repeater, Braker and Reverser would fail to trigger or trigger at the incorrect time if your turntable pitch is fluctuating.

- Fixed DJ-FX bug where any chance parameter over 50% would trigger all the time for the Braker, Repeater and Reverser effects.

- Removed audio glitches caused by the Repeater.

- Fixed Flanger volume drop.

- Fixed bug where the Repeater audio effect could click on the right channel.

- Altered the Flanger so the delay parameter is now the minimum delay used, at an LFO of 100% it will modulate between the parameter delay and a 15ms max delay.

- Fixed bug where the Flangers right channel would behave oddly/cycle incorrectly.

- Improved the sound quality of the Flanger in the lower frequencies.

- The 'Enable Sixty-Eight DJ-FX Sends' button now only shows when a Rane Sixty-Eight is plugged in.

- Fixed bug where Tremolo LFO values 3 and 4 had identical waves.

- Fixed bug where it was possible to get both DJFX assign buttons (Deck 1...4) to be visibly on.

MIDI Controllers

- Fixed bug on the Denon HC-1000S where quickly changing groups could result in the LEDs going out.

- Fixed bug where the CDJ-400 could not be set to WIDE pitch slider mode when connected to Scratch Live.

- Fixed Denon HC-4500 bug where pressing the param knob when the crate window had focus would load a track instead of returning focus to the library panel.

- Fixed autolooping on the Numark DMC 2.

- Fixed bug where the INT Mode pitch sliders were reversed if assigned to Relative Control Change MIDI events.

- Fixed bug where switching to the Files of History view using a MIDI controller while on the setup screen could cause incorrect buttons to appear on screen.

- Fixed bug where INT Mode pitch sliders could not reach 0% with absolute MIDI controls.

- Fixed bug where pitching down to -100.0% with a natively supported CD player would result in the reversal of the play direction.

- Fixed bug where you could not deselect the help button while MIDI assign mode was on.

- Fixed bug when MIDI assigning a control, if the MIDI control was previously assigned the old assign would not be removed from screen.

- Fixed bug where creating a new MIDI preset did not clear current MIDI assignments.

- Fixed Denon HC-4500 bug where pressing the 'memo' button in order to set or delete cue points rarely worked.

- Fixed bug where absolute MIDI controls couldn't reach 0% on the INT mode pitch sliders.

- Fixed possible crash when loading a track using the DN-HC4500.

- Fixed bug where assigning non-absolute MIDI buttons may not trigger some events correctly i.e. DJFX on/off states.

- Fixed bug where HID devices would not update deck info/lighting on connect (e.g. the playing button may not light up).

SP-6 Sample Player

- Fixed bug where the SP-6 mute buttons did not work correctly.

- Fixed bug where SP-6 would not correctly mute low sample rate tracks.

- Fixed bug where SP-6 master mute could never be turned off.

- Fixed SP6 buttons flashing/strobing on mouse down events.

- Fixed lock up that could happen when simultaneously changing the active sample bank and a sample slots gain.

Library

- Fixed problems where sometimes Auto BPM would detect half or doubled BPMs.

- Fixed bug where you could perform multiple file transfers at once leading to a possible crash.

- Track length, bitrate and samplerate are now loaded into the library when you re-import tracks (or rescan tags).

- Sample rate info from iTunes imported tracks is now displayed correctly.

- Fixed a bug where bit-rate from iTunes imported tracks was being set to 0.0

- Fixed high CPU load with large number of crates.

- Fixed bug where pressing 'next song' on the last song in a crate would play the second to last song, not the first.

- Fixed the bug where copying or moving files using the File panel resulted in delayed status bar text.

- Fixed bug where opening the browse panel would unselect the currently selected tracks.

- Fixed bug where track status/warning messages appear for files that are outside of the library window on mouse hover.

- Fixed hang that could happen when sorting columns by location.

- Fixed unnecessarily large memory usage with large libraries.

- Improved the speed of scrolling through the Crates window.

- Improved the speed of Analyzing Files.

- Added the ability to drag a history period or session to an existing crate to add it's contents.

- Fixed bug where when opening the column select menu while Video-SL was open, the column select menu would become unusable.

- Fixed bug where Remixer rules in Smart Crates would be lost after restarting Scratch Live.

- Fixed bug where LiveFeed tracks could be deleted.

- Fixed bug where crate update/eject buttons and edit boxes would not appear in the correct position after horizontally scrolling the crates view.

- Fixed bug where changing selection in the browse container could clear all filtering from the current crate.

- Fixed bug where scanning ID3 tags could empty out non-live updating Smart Crates.

- Fixed issue when reordering tracks by drag and drop while the order is reversed.

- Fixed bug where tracks imported from the Files panel by using the cmd/ctrl + left or right arrow where cleared from the Scratch Live database on exit.

- Fixed bug where GUI did not update after a Move/Copy of files.

- Fixed bug where using keyboard shortcuts to play the next track could lead to a hang, if all tracks in a crate where missing.

- Fixed bug where the history export panel would not display if the Live playlists option was ticked.

- Fixed bug where deleting an inherited track from a crate would cause the creation of a (safe) crate and give a crate reading error on start up.

- Fixed bug where using the "expand library on track scroll" option and opening the column select menu could make the select menu unusable on library collapse.

- Fixed possible rare crash on track load.

- Fixed a bug where some ID3 BPM tags were not being read.

- Fixed possible corruption in MPEG4 files.

- Fixed bug where you could have a crate with no name.

- Fixed bug where changing the size or order of columns would trigger a track sort.

- Fixed bug where columns would not sort.

- Fixed bug where double-clicking in the track list column header would perform a double-click on the track underneath (making the track editable).

- Fixed bug where BPM was not being saved when analyzing files.

- Fixed bug where overviews where not building on single core machines.

- Fixed bug where genre could not be set and was defaulting to 'other'.

- Fixed crash when pressing ctrl+up/down on an empty crate.

- Fixed crash that could occur when editing M4A/AAC tags.

- Fixed crash when editing multiple M4A or MP4 track tags on Windows.

- Fixed crash on Windows when creating a smart crate with an empty BPM field.

- Fixed bug where artwork may not show after editing track details of a M4A/AAC/ALAC file.

- Fixed bug where pressing "Rescan ID3 Tags" would not read changed album art.

- Fixed bug where moving left/right to edit different columns while editing track tags would revert changes.

- Doing 'relocate lost files' on M4A and MP4 files with associated XML and OVB metadata will now move the XML and OVB files to the correct location. Note: This doesn't remove the old folder.

- Fixed bug where locate track (crtl+l) would locate tracks from 4 decks, even when less that 4 are active.

- Fixed bug where loading a track to decks 3 or 4 in offline mode could cause Analyze Files to freeze.



Playback

- Added a fix for the problem where the TTM 57SL and SL 1 would dropout constantly on new Intel Macs.

- The Hi-Fi Resampler is now on by default.

- Fixed bug where: while in REL mode with 'drop to absolute position' checked and 'play from start' and 'play from cue point' unchecked, doing a needle drop didn't always take the playhead to an absolute position. This happened when another track was loaded while the needle was stopped or up.

- Fixed bug where "drop to abs" didn't work for the first track load.

- Fixed bug where pitching up or down via keyboard shortcut word not turn off when DJ-FX popup menus where open.

- Fixed possible hang when playing/ejecting tracks.

- Fixed bug where loading a track with a linked video (while the linked video is on deck) could change the gain of the linked video.

- Fixed possible Windows crash/memory corruption when using the Rane Sixty-Eight.

- Fixed keylock audio glitches on low sample rate tracks (tracks low than 44.1k).

- Fixed bug where pressing rewind or fast forward with keyboad short cuts would not release on key up.

- Fixed bug where decks 3 and 4 did not correctly apply auto gain.

- Fixed pitch bend buttons not working on decks 2,3,4.

Video-SL

- Fixed possible hang when loading a track with an associated video.

- Fixed issues with saving video association and video effects on Sixty-Eight with primary decks 2+3.

- Fixed bug where hot-plugging the TTM-57SL while Video-SL was running would not update group 5 to Video-SL control.

GUI bugs

- Waveforms should now be smoother when scrolling through the library with a Library Album Art view turned on.

- Fixed bug where switching to an album art view for the first time would freeze the GUI.

- Fixed bug where pitch sliders could be drawn over popup windows on Mac.

- Fixed bug where popups could cause incorrectly rendered waveforms.

- Fixed bug where horizontal waveforms were off-centre.

- Fixed GUI bug where the red autoloop MIDI assign border would show in offline mode.

- Fixed bug where the three band waveform setting was not recalled over a restart.

- Fixed bug on Mac where the horizontal waveforms playhead line was drawn with its black outlining drawn incorrectly.

- Fixed bug where loading a tracks with Key information could cause the library view decks to become unaligned.

- Fixed GUI bug where the text in the beat multiplier box was not vertically centered.

- Fixed bug where changing the DJ-FX mode would cause the popup menu to be drawn in the top-left of the screen.

- Fixed Windows bug where changing the buffer latency setting can remove the highlighted deck rings.

- Fixed bug where incorrect track library icons were being displayed.

- Fixed intermittent bug where album art would not show up on the deck.

- Fixed bug where the MIDI assign rect for the tap tempo button was not drawn correctly.

- Fixed bug where the crate list was drawn incorrectly when changing its width or font size.

- Fixed bug where record button remained flashing after recording had been stopped and saved.

- Fixed flickering of autoloop selection select controls.

- Fixed hang on Mac when using tooltips and clicking on the color selector.

- Fixed bug where playlists progress bars would appear behind History buttons when not in use.

- Fixed issues when changing the selected library panel (e.g. History, Files etc), panels could unexpectedly close leaving GUI artifacts behind (such as buttons, labels etc).

- Fixed pitch bend buttons not lighting correctly via keyboard shortcut.

- Fixed bug where you could toggle the primary decks (using tilde) when in offline mode, 57 mode or SL1 mode.

- Fixed bug where you could not click 'check for updates' button at minimum screen resolution.


Other Changes


- Fixed bug where setting a loop in the 'A' slot would create a loop in the first unlocked slot.

- When recordings are saved, the song name is now the same as the file name instead of being the entire path+filename.

- Fixed Rane MP4 from not recording properly.

I love the Echo Out. I can use my SL-1 now when i don't wan't to take my 57.
I would be cool to turn the DJFX on with a keyboard shortcut.

Someone truely does not understand the difference between "free" (completely voluntary) and the difference to "advertised feature" (mandatory part). Go figure

Personally, I don't like the term "free" with regards to Serato software updates. I think a better way of expressing it is that updates are provided "at no additional cost".

nik is absolutely right in saying that your initial purchase of Rane hardware buys you into an ongoing deal whereby software updates are provided to you and no further cost.

I also agree with nik on this:

When we release a final software version (ie. not a beta) it should be good. If it has problems then you guys have legitimate cause to complain. It doesn't matter if the software is provided to you on CD or via download - if it's final it should be good.

Just because you guys can download the software at no additional cost doesn't mean that we're absolved of any responsibility towards our customers.

The no-cost software updates are a selling point of Scratch Live and ITCH systems, no doubt about it.

But that "free"-ness should not (and will never) be used as a means of justifying the quality of a release. All of our software releases should be held to the high standard that you guys expect of us.
[...]

***sigh*** Complainin' about free *ish again.

Y'all won't be satisfied until they start charging you for updates...

id happily pay for updates considering all the money the software makes me back

It seems as if some of you think that because our software updates come at no extra charge you think we can get away with chucking any old code out the door whenever we feel like it.

This is absolutely not the case. We aim for for absolute quality with every final release.

They are doing these upgrades for free for us why complain and bitch give constructive feedback

I'm so sick of pc users being treated like second class citizens around here.

easily because i have a mac and dont have these problems LOL

It seems as if some of you think that because our software updates come at no extra charge you think we can get away with chucking any old code out the door whenever we feel like it.

This is absolutely not the case. We aim for for absolute quality with every final release.

@nik39, I was under the impression that SSL 2.1 wont constantly write to tags everytime as long as you rebuild your ovewviews with it ? Or am i mistaken?

@nik39, I was under the impression that SSL 2.1 wont constantly write to tags everytime as long as you rebuild your ovewviews with it ? Or am i mistaken?

thats what was happening to me but after i rebuilt databasev2 THEN AFTER doing this i analyzed the lot I have had no problems.....

tracks only get written to if i make changes to cues, gain etc.

yeah the updates are free but the initial cost is way higher than other DVS.

ps...im loving that giant knob, the echo out and 2 way frequency filter are awsome!! (NH NM)

mp4 files get always rewritten even if you do not make any changes.

cos mines were doing that (mp3's)even with no changes until i took these steps.

if we've learned anything from this thread, its that johnny sure does love my bj's =0

Bezzle, seriously, why do you need to eff up eeeeeevery thread? Really! You can't even come up with legit reasons, no explanation.
.

Bezzle, seriously, why do you need to eff up eeeeeevery thread? Really! You can't even come up with legit reasons, no explanation.

This is so annoying that I must look into some Greasemonkey script which filters out your posts from the forum.

This is so annoying that I must look into some Greasemonkey script which filters out your posts from the forum.

Try an mp4 video file.

if we've learned anything from this thread, its that johnny sure does love his pj's =)

as for all the 2.1 grief, it looks to me like there's been a bit of a mistake before they rolled it out and its about to get back to normal - surely a maintenance release wouldn't render the program so unusable for so many people without any major additions involved

those that could use 2.0 should be able to still use 2.1 (in theory)

I was just weighing up the limitations of using 1.9.2, and the only thing that has benefited me is that the file management comes in handy for moving files around. I can live without that in favour of stability

THIS ^^^^ I WOULD PAY YOU FOR! I would take back everything I've ever said about you (even if it was true), and offer olive oil so that we could be come booty buddies!!!!!!

if we've learned anything from this thread, its that johnny sure does love his pj's =)

thats what was happening to me but after i rebuilt databasev2 THEN AFTER doing this i analyzed the lot I have had no problems.....

tracks only get written to if i make changes to cues, gain etc.

Have you done all your databases including the one in "my documents" ?

I did it on one of the betas i think........i have not done it with final....

It seems as if some of you think that because our software updates come at no extra charge you think we can get away with chucking any old code out the door whenever we feel like it.

This is absolutely not the case. We aim for for absolute quality with every final release.

So like there is like a staff and real offices? With CAKE or meat pies?!
OMG! You guys don't hire off-shore code monkeys in Sri Lanka to write your software! Wow this Serato company must be a pro outfit, I think they will be around for a while... unlike my career.
/sarcasm

heh

I hate the shut up its free argument. It's not free, we bought a min 550 dollar piece of gear with one of the selling points being free software upgrades.

Under normal circumstances, when you PAY for upgrades, those "Testers" would be in their own world, and would go back and forth with the company until the issues are resolved, and THEN an update is released.

If it doesn't follow that model, then you have people who HAVE PAID MONEY for updates, and received a faulty product, and consumer laws and things would give them certain rights for correction.

It's like a DJ that advertises that they'll do your party for FREE.

You'd HOPE for the best, but don't be surprised if he shows up with an ipod.

Money and contractual obligations are things that drive results.

Technically, YES you get free software upgrades.

But where do they guarantee that the upgrades be "Bug Free"?

They don't.

But only one could assume major bugs would be fixed and not left behind for a release a year later to fix? lol

On a side note:
I regret making this thread. Every minute i get a notification that this thread got a new post lol

psst....you can click this --->>>>"Stop Tracking this Discussion", and you shall be set free.

psst....you can click this --->>>>"Stop Tracking this Discussion", and you shall be set free.

"Last time we saw one of those was for the 68 mixer... is that because people payed for something that didn't work?"

See? My theory is proven right thurr...

As soon as some money changed hands...

You had a fix.

I bought a "Rane" hardware, regardless of free future updates. I don't think Serato will knowingly release a version of its software full of bugs jeopardizing present users, future customers or its reputation.

I bought a "Rane" hardware, regardless of free future updates, I expect it to work "now". I don't think Serato will knowingly release a version of its software full of bugs jeopardizing present users, future customers or its reputation.

Technically the rane hardware you bought DID work right....its the free SERATO software their bitching about lol

Technically the rane hardware you bought DID work right....its the free SERATO software their bitching about lol

Your theory doesn't make sense at all. Let's say that I go out today and buy a brand new SL3 and install SSL 2.1 into my laptop. So "as soon as some money exchanged hands" do I get a better version of SSL 2.1? or will it be the same version that everyone is complaining about?

I bought a "Rane" hardware, regardless of free future updates, I expect it to work "now". I don't think Serato will knowingly release a version of its software full of bugs jeopardizing present users, future customers or its reputation.

bunch of whiny baby's..
this is the thanks serato & its employee's get for being top notch in products, customer service & help..

He bought the full package. Software and hardware..

bunch of whiny baby's..
this is the thanks serato & its employee's get for being top notch in products, customer service & help..

they work really hard at putting out a top notch quality product.
and sometimes there are problems & im sure they are hard at work trying to fix them.
it just seems alot of people are 2 faced here.
praise serato when its working fine for them. then all of a sudden if there are a couple of problems now the same people start ripping serato a new a-hole instead of helping them in a positive manner to help resolve the issue.

it just seems alot of people are 2 faced here.
praise serato when its working fine for them. then all of a sudden if there are a couple of problems now the same people start ripping serato

But let's call a spade a spade: It won't help anyone if people are blind fan-boys.

so true...

Guys I think the bitching has worked 2.1.1 beta coming soon!
Thank you serato for listening to your customers ;-)

True but there are propper channels for these things, bugs happen, if you keep pushing back a release until it is 100% bug free the software will never get released especially with all the platforms this has to work on.

Also with each new release bugs from the previous release are fixed

while they figure out while 6 users are experiencing a pop sound when they play a song with over 34 characters in the title in internal mode

Your 100% correct about not just being fan boys BUT there is a help section AND a beta area where you can report these bugs so they can be fixed.

Most of these issues are NOT universal so posting a thread in the DJ discussion section saying 2.1 SUCKS because your having issues on your machine ISNT helping anyone, its nonconstructive.

I highly dout serato has any bezzlish employees who just sit around forum lurking while these bugs go unaddressed. Im assuming they have a system where the most vital bugs or the most common issues are resolved first and then they go down te latter. If a bug isnt getting resolved timley it may be one of those hard to find code anomalys or if may not be a critical issue or affecting alot of people.

+1 to nik. I started a help discussion about the tags in 2.1. One mod posted and asked a few questions about the issue. His questions were answered and I'm waiting on a reply on the issue. Fix the tag issue please!

Yep we're still working in the 2.1 PB area to fix bugs...

Your theory doesn't make sense at all. Let's say that I go out today and buy a brand new SL3 and install SSL 2.1 into my laptop. So "as soon as some money exchanged hands" do I get a better version of SSL 2.1? or will it be the same version that everyone is complaining about?

I think you are misunderstanding me, or those who are expressing their opinions in this thread.

I have a lot of respect for Serato, their attitude, their staff, the developers etc. :) I appreciate their hard work, and I like their ideas and visions. They have been nice to the users, and always treat them with respect. They should be treated with the same respect, and I don't think anyone here is trying to be disrespectful.

But let's call a spade a spade: It won't help anyone if people are blind fan-boys. If Serato effs up and a build is not stable or causes major problems for some users, this needs be said! It does not help the users if we just shut up, and keep quiet. It does not help Serato, their business and in the long term even users who don't have any issues (bad reputation -> less sales -> impact on users without any issues as well). I really like an open discussion/disclosure policy, if there are issues then those needs to be discussed.

In the version 2.1 there are certainly issues. But unlike unforeseen issues, some of them have been reported by users *before* SL 2.1.0 went final. Some of these issues were ignored, some of them were brushed off, and some were deferred. It is important that these issues are discussed and that Serato is pointed towards those issues, otherwise this kind of things will happen again in the future. :)

i love SL....... it just a matter of time till chad and hid boyz (no homo) get it all strait (no homo again)

Oh really. I already said that. No one is expecting a 100% bug free version. That's not the point.

And new ones added? That is not okay.

You should not comment if you don't know what bugs we are talking about. Well, actually you should know - if you had read the posts in this thread.

- occasional POP noise when you switch from ABS to REL

Haha, hilarious - reading these words from someone who posts:

"I think alot of your problems have to do with the machine your running it on.....still using that PC laptop??"

The OP did not just bash 2.1.0, he explained *why* he thinks that it sucks. I consider this as being more constructive than those stupid "it's your PC!!"-remarks. Some of these bugs have obviously nothing to do with his particular machine

Do you think I am speaking out of my a**? Fact is I can link you to 3 threads from the top of my head where there have been no reaction from any mod. These were crashes/lockups.
Please M-Bezzle, do us a favor and inform yourself before you start to post "your opinion". This could help you not-missing-the-point. Thank you. :)

The VSL screen is horrible. They should've left it the way it was. There's so much real estate wasted.

You contradicted yourself right there.

You just said noone is expecting a bug free version

So theres another piece of hyprocracy, you want updates constantly released but you dont want them released until EVERYTHING is fixed.

It dosent work like that [...yadda yadda..] This is basic softeware engineering principals

original post

More hypocricy, you say my remark was stupid THEN AGREE WITH ME that only some of the bugs he is reporting may have nothing to do with him being on a PC...WHICH MEANS SOME COULD BE WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID,

i didnt say BUY A MAC

i said some of his problems could be caused by the machine he is on. I Can back that statment up becuase I cannot duplicate several of them on my machine and the MOD said he cant either so there NOT universal..

I dont know which 3 in particular your talking about so I cant speak on paticulars but i CAN pretty much assure you that noone from serato looked at those crash reports and said "ahhh fuck those someone turn on COD3 SOMEONE GET ME A BEER"

im sure there being looked into, you work with software and you KNOW that some bugs are harder to duplicate than others, if you cant duplicate a bug what kind of responce do you want?

Also even if its a crash, if its a crash afffecting 6 users, and theres 10 other bugs affecting 10,000 those bugs are getting 1st dibs

I also know from the mods that there are bugs that are caused by situations out of their control. There are bugs that are caused by the way some outside software interacts with the program and needs to be solved at that source site. Ive seen several help threads where serato tells people they need to contact apple or another company and report the problem there and the users wig out because serato isnt solving the issue.....theres not much they can do in that situation,

From someone like yourself who works with code I would expect you to understand all this, its software engineering 101

Jeez, please learn to read and to understand. I said that at least one of the bugs has definitly nothing to do with his PC. Nothing.

That does not mean, that the other bugs have to do with his PC. Logic 101.

I think alot of your problems have to do with the machine your running it on.....

And that is one argument I can accept

Sure, I totally understand this

Jeez, please learn to read and to understand...

Lets say I load up 6 samples, switch to BANK B, load another 4 samples and set start from cue point on bank B samples. If I close SSL, bank B does not get saved.

it did since the second comment was posted...

aaah! I just realised you must be a PC user, cos MAC users don't whine so much, and that's exactly what I thought I just read

the 2nd comment was a legitimate question....macs have set hardware specs PCs have a universe of possible combinations, dont you think theres a reason the 5th question you HAVE to answer when you open a help request and the ONLY info you have to provide to be a beta tester is WHAT COMPUTER ARE YOU USING. If I have a mac i KNOW what 3 video cards are in it, i know my possible processor combinations ect. If its a PC these all come into question PERIOD.

Mac users may think their better than everyone

- SP6 problems started back when i moved from 1.9.2 to 2.0. maybe the format of saving has changed since then and it's erroring?

- I'm running 4gb of high performance ram, 2.4ghz x2 processor, 7200rpm hdd... the only thing slacking is the GeForce 8600GT gfx card, but that means i can't play crysis on high performance, so it should be find with SSL. Besides the computer specs though, i build overviews on over 900+ songs (all in the same SSL session) once every month. I have never had an issue until I tried it with 2.1. How can you say it's a performance issue if it has never happened in the past?

- THe POP noise is NOT a drop out. Music plays perfectly fine, there's no sign of audio drop outs. I could move my latency bar from 3 to the farthest setting and still get this POP. It's not a performance issue.

- and for the gfx issue, again, hasn't been around until 2.1. Does this not smell fishy to you?

But honestly... I haven't ever seen you posting in the help section, so I assume you never got into diagnosing other SL users issues.

Bezzle, puhhhlease... We all know that was not just a simple question. You elaborated that you assumed that it must be his computer.

I could have accepted such a question or comment from someone like Konix, who knows his ish. He knows SL inside out. But honestly... I haven't ever seen you posting in the help section, so I assume you never got into diagnosing other SL users issues. I haven't seen any constructive technical posts from you.

So how comes you suddenly know that "it must be his PC"??

*sigh*

lol sorry but the hardware has nothing to do with software bugs. A lot of these do sound like hardware problems, where the computer is too slow to run Serato, because I have none of these problems. The only problem I have is the SP6 cue point thing, and also when playing around with effects and sampler the graphics glitch very rarely. But the glitches don't get in the way of functioning.

But Stoyvo posted his specs and I guarantee they are better than the specs of your Mac, except maybe the video card.

Almost all of his issues sound hardware related and i KNOW they cant be software related (except for the cue point) because i dont experience them on my system.

But, WTF, zero posts in the 2.0 PB area, and zero posts in the 2.1 PB area. Credibility very low, at least not high enough to make such a statement as you did in the second post in this thread.

Jesus... I must apologize, you have 4 posts in the Help section.

But, WTF, zero posts in the 2.0 PB area, and zero posts in the 2.1 PB area. Credibility very low, at least not high enough to make such a statement as you did in the second post in this thread.

Why the hell would i spend my time diagnosing problems in the help section serato dosent send me a check and i havent run into any issues needing assistance lol.

What?

Almost all of his issues sound hardware related and i KNOW they cant be software related (except for the cue point) because i dont experience them on my system.

1st. No, you don't KNOW. You assume at most.

2nd. This thread is not only about Stovyos issues

Just because you can't experience the issue, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I had issues before where only I had it, than another person posted the same issue. It was causing my system to crash. It was only two of us reporting it. I sent in my logs and bam! Software bug. It got fixed right away.

No I can tell you for a FACT that I have never had my computer crash analysing files and i annalysie ALOT on a given week. I have never heard a POP noise when switching any of the modes and ive never had an issue with an unresponsive GUI

If his hardware isnt up to par to run the software then his FAIL remark holds no water.

Credibility very low, at least not high enough to make such a statement as you did in the second post in this thread.

That does NOT mean that it is his computers hardware. Dude, please... are you trying to contradict yourself on purpose??



Yes, please continue. Elaborate. You're already offside ;)

Yes, please continue. Elaborate. You're already offside ;)

Neither does Konix, neither do I and other users who help out in the Help section.

I wouldnt consider any of how you spend your leisure time as normal or generally accepted practices

So your saying if your hardware is NOT up to par you can still bitch about the performance of the software????

Nik, he's never gonna learn and you're not going to win. I say you just ignore him. It's like he gets a rush from arguing just for the sake of arguing.

in my book, nik won the arguments. not by talking non-sense but by proving points and actually elaborating on his responses.

Will everyone just answer this ONE question......COULD THE MACHINE HE WAS USING AFFECT ANY OF THESE ISSUES....if yes then the question I asked was ligitimate. If none of these issues could in any way be affected by the machine he was using then my comment was out of line. Now please and this is open to anyone. COULD THE MACHINE HE WAS USING BEAR ANY EFFECT ON ANY OF THE PERFORMANCE ISSUES HES REPORTING??

- SP6 remember cue points -
Not a mac or PC issue but an issue that neither myself or chad seem to be able to duplicate (both on macs) so could be a software or setup issue
- Cannot analyze more than 1 set/group of files at a time (select 100 songs, send to analyze, select another 100 songs and bring to analyze as the first 100 is going, it will crash) -
If its crashing when doing this with a set # of files it could be a ram issue, it could be a processor issue if could be how many procces (bloatware, spyware, adware, viruses, antivirus ect) you have running with the program thats looking at the files. Once again knowing what machine your on is vital here
- occasional POP noise when you switch from ABS to REL
- You can't record your sets with an SL3 because audio drop occur
Pops and dropouts could be your USB card, audio drivers, ram, and of course how much process memory is being used at one time
- GUI bugs such as X or _ become unresponsive after a while
Video card or ram issue. Also could be an issue with adware\spyware running in background

To quote my friend Konix...

i48.photobucket.com

Will everyone just answer this ONE question......COULD THE MACHINE HE WAS USING AFFECT ANY OF THESE ISSUES....if yes then the question I asked was ligitimate. If none of these issues could in any way be affected by the machine he was using then my comment was out of line. Now please and this is open to anyone. COULD THE MACHINE HE WAS USING BEAR ANY EFFECT ON ANY OF THE PERFORMANCE ISSUES HES REPORTING??

To quote my friend Konix...

i48.photobucket.com

Just scroll down about 1/3 of the way down.

forums.plentyoffish.com

I think alot of your problems have to do with the machine your running it on.....still using that PC laptop??

Here's a legitimate answer for you.

Yes, the machine could've been an issue. However, the way you worded your question and the way you used the word STILL with a question mark, implied that you were being sarcastic. It almost seem like you told him somewhere else to get a mac. BTW, I'm not sure you did, but that's my impression.

interesting choice in pic

heres a quote from a friend of mine

Here's a legitimate answer for you.

Yes, the machine could've been an issue. However, the way you worded your question and the way you used the word STILL with a question mark, implied that you were being sarcastic. It almost seem like you told him somewhere else to get a mac. BTW, I'm not sure you did, but that's my impression.

- Cannot analyze more than 1 set/group of files at a time (select 100 songs, send to analyze, select another 100 songs and bring to analyze as the first 100 is going, it will crash)

- You can't record your sets with an SL3 because audio drop occur

I also have one question for you M.Bezzle. Your precious amazing "it's better than anything in the world because i paid too much money" mac, does it get hotter running 2.1 because it's so resource intense? Or are you going to say it doesn't while the rest of the community says it does?

you are stubborn as hell (more than me).

IBTL.....

2 big issues with 2.1 for me.

1)tags in 2.1
2)cpu gets hotter

Exactly my thoughts, and my impression, Woody.

BTW, this is the real nik39:
i235.photobucket.com

And to put this yada yada with Bezzle to a rest:

Here is a more or less similar issue:
www.serato.com
Obviously this persons (djtracyg) PC must be faulty as well.


Here is a more or less similar issue:
www.serato.com
Obviously this persons (Alixx J) PC must be faulty as well.

Can someone please PM those people and tell them that their computer is corrupt and has RAM problems? Oh and tell Alixx J to get a Mac because PC's make inferiour hardware, and on top bloatware, spyware, adware, viruses, antivirus ect could be the root of evil. He should stop using a PC.

Oh wait - he is already on a Mac. Zing.

In other words: Not impossible, but unlikely that these are hardware issues.

All of these should have been know to those who are closely monitoring the Public Beta section. And even if not (I personally can not remember every bug report, of course not!)... if someone had done his homework, then he would had been able to research a little (it took me less than two minutes) before making posts based on nothing.

I think I just lost 20 IQ points reading through some of this sorry-ass mess of a thread.

mark, see if you can find a correlation between your loss of iq and the posts (person)

I have just started testing 2.1 and it looks good though the new video SL is giving me trouble. But not due to a lack of power. I have 2.1 with previous SL running smoothly. 2.0 was however a no go as it would crash within 3 songs if it even opened. The point is simple If you have a cheaper PC don't expect it to do advanced functions such as anything related to Serato. If you have a Mac...that's great don't insult the PC guy who doesn't understand...There is an excellent old time saying that applies here "you can pay me now or later" think about it.

That makes no sense. You're having problems with a machine that should run it very smoothly, and has way more processing power and RAM that any Mac laptop does. WTF?

FYI, for this one:

- Fixed tracks from unecessarily writing tags on eject.

There were a few issues causing this one - one was our more accurate BPM was causing a re-calculate and then causing a tag write on eject - and now since we are writing the track length to tags as well if you didn't have one before that was also causing a rewrite.

If the track length tag is added it will still do a tag write, but if you've analyzed your tracks in 2.1.1 it shouldn't do any more unnecessary rebuilding.

BTW, this is the real nik39:
i235.photobucket.com

do i have to click on a bmp range when i analyze?

No you don't have to. It's relatively smart about overwriting existing bpms.

No you don't have to. It's relatively smart about overwriting existing bpms.

I'm so sick of pc users being treated like second class citizens around here.

In my opinion, 2.1 only added more bugs than it removed. They didn't fix:
- SP6 remember cue points
- Cannot analyze more than 1 set/group of files at a time (select 100 songs, send to analyze, select another 100 songs and bring to analyze as the first 100 is going, it will crash)
- occasional POP noise when you switch from ABS to REL
- You can't record your sets with an SL3 because audio drop occur
- GUI bugs such as X or _ become unresponsive after a while

Things they did fix:
- Well... they added a giant knob?

What's your take?

Btw, Don't get me wrong. I love Serato and SSL, but they've gone from being all about stability to having the most features. It's not cool.

One thing that bugs me is that they keep saying "Oh it will be fixed in the next version" and it just keeps getting pushed back -_-

Been rocking 1.9.2 because of the 2.0, BPM sorting by Alphabetizing title of Song instead of title of Artist.

That is not the case in 2.1, so I'm pretty impressed that they listened to 'our' criticisms/complaints. Still not sure why the alphabetization was changed on 2.0 after the years of it not being like that.

So far I'm Happy to finally transition over to 2.1

2.1 Has native support for the dicer, however they don't let you remap any of the factory defults (i.e. scene one on the dicer has cue points 1 to 5 pre mapped on it, if you only want 3 cue points and want to remap the remaining two buttons.. YOU CAN'T!!... FAIL!)

there is no database im my documents and there never has. only in your music folder and in your Scratchlive folder.

!

I uploaded to 2.1 and it did not work well with me, it was stuttering and freezing! I went back to 2.1 and im all good again!

That's cool.

And how does 2.1 work for you? Is it better than 2.1?

Question: Has anyone noticed their waves looking crisper and moving with less lag in 2.1?

First real long gig tonight with 2.1 so we will see how it goes. Hopefully no issues.

Same here

With Video and dicers also...

With all the issues Serato has been having lately, it makes me wonder if the Serato vs Traktor stability debate is even valid anymore. Traktor has been getting their shit together for a while now.

I agree.... but the SSL interface and everything is just soooo sexy, traktor is fuckin confusing as shit lol

I seen a guy DJing with Traktor with a Xone MIDI (internal mixing I guess). As far as I'm concerned I'll take my timecodes and keyboard cue points any day of the week.

Macbook Pro 2.26 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and 2 GB Ram
Run SSL3 with 2.1 and Beta
Music is Stored Externally
USB Ports occupied by SSL3 and Hard Drive (Western Digital)

One crash with 2.1 since release and I believe it was partially my fault for trying to run Pro Tools along with SSL..... Used up all the memory. But I ran the set for over 2 hours before this occurred.

Beta Testing only at home..... Did not crash yet.....

Sorry, I'm crazy pissed. Plus I'm reading about all these problems with Windows 7 and SL3. Now I don't fucking know what to do about it. I just bought a really nice laptop that in every other respect I'm very happy with. EVERYTHING ELSE works just fine on it.

now i'm getting issues with adding new MP4 videos... It takes approximately 13 minutes to add 1 Video.... it sits there reading its tag...

VSL 1.1 & 1.2 / SSL 2.1 =(

guys, there's a help section on this site. Hope you guys know that.

Tagging, over heating,native support for some devices has been not very repayable. Not putting anyone down. Just stating the facts[/quote

+1 As I stated earlier there have been massive overhauls of the system for 2.0 & onwards & they have encorporated an entirely new program into the fold, so to expect it to be flawless immediately would be super unrealistic.

But buy the time its finished with PUBLIC beta it should be as near as damn it. But alas its far from that atm!

the last absolutely solid ssl was 192

Its never going to be as stable as 1.9.2....look at the features that were added until then vs whats being added now. The amount of code involved with adding visaul info effects knobs that can be combines rewireing other software ect has to be enormous and its just more things to go wrong

Betas are betas. I remember 1.9 x beta was the shit! I rocked that hoe till the weeks fell of that mofo. Then 1.9.2 came out and it deliverd. I'm sure the devs are on this latest version like bezzel is this forums.

At the Se time bezzel. Serato takes pride in their final releases. They should make sure it's the best possible release so it can go final. It is their job to do so.

It is not written anywhere that you have to participate int the batas. People don't have to do so if they don't want to. We still expect the the best possible final relese.

It is not written anywhere that you have to participate int the batas. People don't have to do so if they don't want to. We still expect the the best possible final relese.

right, but what Bezzle is trying to say is that there are a lot of variables when it comes to computers and computer components. Also if you add the hardwares you'd have a shit load of variables covered.

The more user participation the better to cover all these different variables.

Regardless, it is still a released product and should be flawless or suffer from consumer loss.

It is not written anywhere that you have to participate int the batas. People don't have to do so if they don't want to. We still expect the the best possible final relese.