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Switches to Internal mode prematurely - 10 min/45rpm

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Scratch Live
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Ortofon | Serato S-120
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yuri 3:37 PM - 22 July, 2004
Is this happening to anyone else?

About 50% of the time serato switches to internal mode prematurely when using the 10 min side at 45rpm. It usually occurs around the 6:15 mark - when theres about 1 and a half sets of cuts on the record.
BadCompany 3:54 PM - 22 July, 2004
Mine switches to internal once it hits the end of the record on the 10 min side
dj ville e 5:04 PM - 22 July, 2004
This happens for me when using 15 minute side @ 45rpm. The issue occurs randomly, and i'm still investigating it. 33rpm goes without problems.
yuri 6:32 PM - 22 July, 2004
ahh the infamous dj vill e troubleshooting again :}
nik39 6:33 PM - 22 July, 2004
Okay, if you all two are down with that, I'm gonna test it here too :-P
yuri 1:51 PM - 23 July, 2004
Yeah so I spun last night for an hour.

Everytime on the 10min 45rpm side it switched to internal mode at approx 6:10-6:13. I immediately pressed the abs button and then it worked again. Also, it only switches the first time through for a song, the second time it passes that time value it stays put.

FYI Im using the 10 min side because the 15 min side on one of my vinyls is wrecked, so I have no choice but to use this side
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Sam 12:23 AM - 27 July, 2004
Hi Guys. We haven't been able to reproduce this, is it happening to any one other than yuri?
yuri 8:28 PM - 27 July, 2004
Thanks for looking into it. If anyone else is having this happen to them, please post it..

Also, dj ville e did you find anything of interest? thanks
yuri 3:50 AM - 3 August, 2004
this is still happening..

when i try to spin songs that are 10 min or more long on the 10 minute side it switches to internal mode prematurely... i am now claiming this with 33rpm because that is what im using now
yuri 3:50 AM - 3 August, 2004
and it occurs i would say 30-50% of the time
nik39 5:19 AM - 3 August, 2004
This happens with all the SSL records you have? Have you tried it with the CDs?
yuri 1:57 PM - 3 August, 2004
hmm good question, I've only used the 10 min side on the left turntable, I will try to right turntable and record on the 10 min side ASAP.

And no I only use the vinyl, you know that nik ;]
radish 3:59 AM - 4 August, 2004
Tried it - can't reproduce. Do you have to play it through from the beginning to 6:10? I was dropping in around 5 mins and playing from there.
yuri 1:52 PM - 4 August, 2004
well thats what im doing... from the beginning with absolute mode
DJ Dynamight 12:18 AM - 15 August, 2004
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Hi Guys. We haven't been able to reproduce this, is it happening to any one other than yuri?


Unfortunately, I'm experiencing this same issue, only it is within the first minute of the 10 minute side. It has happened about 5 times now with different tracks, all while scratching back and forth between both decks. It has only happened on the right side so far, and I've only been using the 10 minute side because I prefer the feel of it compared to the 15 minute side (and I'd rather just wear out the 10 minute side and save the 15 min side for live use). If I can narrow it down to a specific location, I will let you know. Since I don't really look at the SSL screen while I'm mixing, I'm not sure if there is any commonality between tracks that it happens with. The track I was mixing is only 23 seconds long.

Is there anything in the control signal that can trigger internal mode??
yuri 1:16 AM - 15 August, 2004
thanks for the update.. im still having this issue also
DJ Dynamight 9:02 PM - 15 August, 2004
It just happened again, I have an order of new vinyls to arrive late this week. I'll see if the problem persists with the new set.
nik39 11:36 PM - 15 August, 2004
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thanks for the update.. im still having this issue also


Yuri, can you maybe record the control signal where the premature switching usually happens... maybe looking at it gives us some info.
yuri 12:38 AM - 16 August, 2004
ok.. as dynamight has mentioned, its very random.. but it does only occure once during each particular mp3 mapping

i will try to make some time
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AJ 6:45 AM - 18 August, 2004
How about a screen shot of your oscilliscope while your are playing near the 6:10 position?

The only explanation I can see is if your record is damaged in that spot in exactly the right way to make it appear like the changeover position. If your needles are bad then the software might be having trouble tracking as it is, and then the damaged part could be read either way.

In the oscilliscope view, you will see in one of the corners there is a raw position read-out, if you play the trouble section a few times in setup screen and watch the raw position, and if you see a jump to some time larger than 15:00, please let us know if you catch that number. Also the reliability figure should stay around 100%, if it is lower, let us know. The screen shot should tell all if you can do it.
yuri 2:47 PM - 18 August, 2004
ok well im also experiencing this problem on my other deck now on the 15 min side like mentioned by someone else above.

my needles are pretty new.

ill check out what you mentioned.. but wouldnt this cause it to occur at every rotation? not just the first one through?
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AJ 6:00 PM - 18 August, 2004
It would happen occasionally at the same position each time. I know you said that it only happens the first time through a song, but I don't think you have enough evidence to say that for sure.

Imagine if it happens only 1% of the time, if you are spinning normally, just playing songs one after the other, then when it does strike you are always going to be on your first play of the song, and then if you keep trying with the same song, the chances of it happening again are still only 1% so eventually you will give up after say 5 tries, and then it will happen again randomly when you are playing some other song for the first time. Make sense?

A screen shot of your scopes will help.
yuri 6:16 PM - 18 August, 2004
well yes and no

I tested it a couple weeks ago.. i continuosly played that area over and over.. and i do from time to time to try to replicate it. it wont happen, but as soon as i change songs it will