need check on that i had two ttm57 and both faders went out

You won't have to choose... as I stated in the video, the production model will be a standalone unit. Not a full mixer, but a fader in a box basically. You can run your deck into serato, then the FF and then into your TTM57. The Fretless Fader is not going to be produced by Vestax btw.

Ah! John Beez himself! I am honored. Thank you for your contribution to the art.

So, to make sure I get it, the Fretless Fader will be a unit that plugs into the mixer? The tables will plug into the TTM57 as usual, then the output of the TTM57 will plug into the Fretless Fader, and then the output of the Fretless Fader will lead back into the TTM57?

Concerning DJ booth-top real estate, how will the Fretless Fader fit into a standard DJ booth setup? I was envisioning that it would replace either an entire mixer or the mixer's own crossfader (the best but clearly most ambitious solution), but that is not the case.

Then, is the Fretless Fader a Pre- or Post- effect?

@ JohnBeez, just saying: this is some crazy year3000 type of shit. Good job man! Very cool video as well... Keep it up.

JohnBeez - just to double check, you definitely need to get that vestax pdx turntable for this to work, right?

Sorry John but that doesn’t make too much sense… How can one run a deck into Serato before running it into the ttm57? The ttm57 is Serato…

The way I would imagine it is:

Tuntable -> Fretless fader -> ttm57 -> amp -> speakers
(The fretless fader would also have a midi-out connecting to the tuntable’s midi-in which is how the tuntable's pitch is mainipulated with the FF)

This would make the setup 'pre-effects' as the control tone is being cut in and out before it reaches Serato and the TTM57. Once the ttm57 receives the signal it then adds the effects onto it.


So:
Tuntable -> ttm57 -> Fretless fader -> amp -> speakers
(Therefore post-effects as the final cutting is done after the sound has left the ttm 57)

That kind of setup seems kind of flimsy as you’d have to pay special attention to all the gain levels because the output which would normally go straight to the amp is now being processed again by the fretless fader, if the output from the ttm57 is too high then the FF would peak and make everything sound like shit. For this reason, when an EFX unit is connected to a mixer which doesn't have an FX send-return they are patched between the CD/Tuntable and the mixer and never to the mixers output.


From what I can gather from the videos, the FF controls the tuntable via midi. The only tuntables that I know of which have midi-in is the Vestax PDX-3000 and the Vestax C1. On one of his videos he does mention that he made the FF for the C1. You could theoretically get the FF to control software parameters on the computer instead of controlling the speed of the tuntable its self. However, this won’t work to well controlling the pitch in Serato as the only mode which allows you to have midi pitch control is INT mode, therefore you’d lose the ability to scratch (might work with “The Bridge”….?).



I think the FF is a little too far removed from being part of any ‘regular’ DJ booth setup, it’s more of a special performance kind of thing such as if you’re part of a band. Just imagine if you had SL1 rather than the ttm57 (and most clubs don’t have a ttm57): This would mean an additional 2-4 stereo RCA cables just to connect the FF, throw in the extra 4 stereo cables for the SL-box and what you have is one big RCA mess in a very tight space. Now try to do the ‘dance-of-death’ as you patch all that gear in while the other DJ is still playing….

I love the concept of the fretless and I really hope that JohnBeez gets it up and running for the people, however it isn't really an extension of a standard DJ setup such as an FX unit or a laptop. There are a lot of gimmics with DJ technology which are labelled as taking djing to the next level, however this is one definitely worth the title!

i kinda figured that - its probably never gonna happen, but it would be dope if SSL had a Turntablist Mode which catered for this. Imagine that - the Fretless Fader would control the pitch via MIDI and the pitch changes within the software. So basically have a similar layout to the PDX-3000 / C1 (ie musical pitches) within Scratch Live but the actual pitch on the physical turntable stays constant.

I would absolutely go for this

I love this. Next level shit!

what is the point of this?

Did you watch the video? I don't know what else can be said...

Shit, that's right. I had my mind on the SL1. The 57 probably isn't the best match for the FF cause like you said you'd have to run the box after the mixer.

My earlier post might have been a bit misleading because running a mixer in series isn't necessary, just an option. As far as effects go you should consider a Fretless Fader setup like any other instrument and just run the output into effect pedals. In the latest video I'm using a reverb unit and a Q-tron Envelope pedal.

Current turntables with MIDI in that will work are the C1 and PDX-3000. The Numark CDX and HDX digital decks also work. The Controller One is by far the best option, but the others are compatible.

DVS Software is a maybe, not a definite.

I'm resurrecting this thread to find out any new info on the release of a Fretless fader kit?

I want to install one in a Rane 72 (if the second batch of 72s are ever released??!!)

I haven't heard much news since reading the article in the link below:


news.bpmsupreme.com

I would like to know if there is any new developmentsdevelopments for nonmidi turntables by just putting in the algoriths with in the dvs system itself. Please lets get some recent updates.